National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-21

Tou have made here to-day, In many cases re
ates to mere charges against the Government
and not 70 amounts actually paid by the Gov
does 1t noti A. Those amounts are
paid.
@. Did you not refer to some casesi In some
Is there not mere charge against the Govern
meut for work not yet paid fort A. DO not
think 60. Think It Is all paid f42An that is
in the Governors answer has been paid Tor.
That is the way understand t.. took those
amounts which fnd In the Governors answer
as the anouats paia by the United States.
BY the Chairman: Q. think the Governor
handed us table which purports to be o state
ment of the total amount paid BY the Govern
ment for sewers and also the total amount paid
by the Board Of Public Works for the same
sewers. Have you examined that table! A.
Yes, sir; 1t is in Mr.. Oertly's testimony.
%. And you find that that table is incorrect
A. say that, TO make the table correct, you
should strike out the main sewers on both
sides. -.EEr
@. want to see II / understand what that
table is. understood the Board of Public
Works 10 present 10 us table, showing the
actual cost of certain sewers; that is, the
actual money paid by the board. Then they
say that the Government Of the United States
paid q thousand dollars less on the whole than
was paid by the board. Is that true, or not
A. am not In position to examine, because
had not the vouchers. ! would have to have
the original vouchers, and examine them, to
see whether the amount is correct, but took
their amount as correct, and struck out, as It
should be done properly, the main sewerage on
both sides, and then you get what the United
States paid, 500, Al 80 in excess Of the cost
TO the Board ofPublic Works. %
Q. But If you do not strike out the main
7 In toh IN ha
substantially correct? A. Yes, suppose so.
By Mr.. Stanton: Q. Then, what is the rea-
son why the Government should not be charged
for its proportioni Why do you strike it out
as Q charge against the Government A.
Well, Oertly, In this table, wanted TO estab-
hsh that $40 rate. That is the way under
stand II. ----' '..'.'.''
Governor Shepherd. No, you are wrong; Mr..
Oertly SAYS that that was his average. He
made 1t up. It had nothing to do with this
statement. This statement was intended to
demonstrate that, instead of the board taking
advantage Of the Government, It had actually
paid out more On these sewers than It had re-
ceived from the Government. It was not in
tended to apply TO the average.
By Mr.. Stanton: @. ] understand you to
concede that the Government ought properly
to be charged with It's proportion Of the main
sewers, and then If you make out comparison
and what the Government ought to pay for
sewers, the main sewer should be included in
such a comparison, ought it notl Take the
whole sewerage system of the District and
compare what tine Government has paid with
what it ought to pay; you would include a
proper charge for main sewers, would you nots
A. Yes, sir; but would make 1t entirely
different from those tables.
TESTIMONY OF N. @. EMERY.
NJ. G. Emery sworn and examined.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. Were you formerly mayor
Of this cityi A. Twas.
Q. What is your business7 A. I have been
a contractor and stone-cutter most of my life.
Carried on the stonc-cutt!ng thirty years in
this city.
Q. Do you know the prices of tagging for
the last two or three yearsf mean this North
river tagging such as had been laid down about
the city BY the Board OF Public Works and
about Government property A. have been
dealing 10 u for thirty years. l have general
idea OF the prices.
Q. Have you any price-listi A. have a
list with mo. was notified by the gentleman
who summoned me to bring the price-list. l
went to the Office to get It, and they had been
loaned. was told that the past years price
list had been loaned by somebody. found a
list for 1871 ard 1872. ---.-.- 81,
Q. What are the prices for that kind Of Tag
cling which has been usedl \. The price-list
do you mean, delivered in Washington
Q. Yes, sir. A. IL varies from II to "a cents,
perhaps.
Q. That is, delivered in this city, A. Yes,
sir; two inches and over; that is, two or three
inches thick. -
Q. Is that the same kind of Tagging as they
have been using herei A. Yes, sir.
Q. What Is Il worth 10 furnish the necessary
material and lay 1t down and joint 1t as 1t Is
now done per square foou A 1t costs about
Ten GEMS; We cstimate u al ABOUT zen cents:
Y; nnat "0uIo pe reasonAoie price ior lu,.
Ilsnlng thaI KIM OF nagglng anu putting
aown-ornismng All the necessary materiaH
a. For nagglng three ieet, ious ieet, nve
ieet ana SIX leet eourses1n comes IN courses
10 tnat wayne natural lace edged, loinied,
anu lAiu' sanu uno cemehI "oulu Cost soout n
cents:
ny mr.. stanton; Y. understand the qaes-
tiG On 70 De 9 a reasoha0ie price ior II;
py 1T. nuson; lou nave gwen the eost
pllce ior Lurmsnlng II anu putting II uowhi a. \:
les, sir; 90 cents Is what we would charge II
asked our price.
Q. There 10 another class of tagging that 10
used here that is sawed, or dressed, or axed
of, don't know what term you apply 10 IL;
what is that class of tagging worth; what d
the reasonable price for furnishing that and
putting 1t DOWN. A. would cost about Is
cents extra. -,-s- p, q 80 -
Q. Fifteen cents In addition to the othersf
A. Yes, sir. It''F-
Q. That would make 1t about 80 eentss A.
For the cost, mean Is and II.
Q. What would be reasonable pricef A.
Twenty-Five or 30 per cent. put on to the COSTS
the usual charge over and above the cost Of
those things. =
Q. Have you noticed the testimony that has
been taken before the committee from day to
day. A, have, pretty generally.
Q. There were some bills read here by the
Governor, believe, in his testimony, for work
that had been done by Won around Government
Did you notice thosei A. The
Fourteenth street circle was mentioned In
particular. / furnished there four-inch sawed
Seneca tagging, for which I paid IS cents TO
the Seneca Stone Company. iointed It and
laid 1t, complete, for which l charged 81 rs.
1t will cost three times as much TO Joint four
inch Seneca tagging, and keep the edges
square, as it will to Joint ordinary bluestone.
Q. That makes the difference between the
two4 A. The cost is more than three times as
much for the stone.
Q. think there was, perhaps, another bill
of yours that was read py the Governor A.
notice one spoken Of for tagging furnished In
front of the War and NAVY Offices, think.
That was to be large tagging furnished-about
four feet, perhaps, and FIVE and six feet courses;
none less than three incees thick. Thework
was done soon after the war, perhaps in 1867,
when gold was about 81. so. I think We got
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