National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-20

stiik OF this 80 cent? you gave 36-cents per
squars ysd 70 Cclonel Kirtlsnd-to . person
who VS. > skrzuser-foEdoingn no specihc thing.
MOI, DO you pos think that mus strike the
D. you not dcsirs 70 give N explanAtions 90 q
70 Rake that look . littls more rationale A.
50 far e his not doing single thing Il con-
cerneds I DO not know how much be dld or did
@. DID you not have some curiosity 10 know
what the gentleman wzs going % do for all
that money! A. n ss CONTINGENT fee
entirely. y The award was nads,1 vas 70 pay
Q. Yes but Il was contingent with Colonel
farsonsi A. Part Of IT, fsT,qa - IEsIOH ~
O. Ten thousand dollsrs n his fee was con-
contipgenu IA Yea, cir; and with Mr.. William
Colyin Brown, din the same Hay,ailas5alssqss .
I Q. And your labor here was Contingent; you
xs5s 4os fol1g e ge. anything qpssl you sue.
ceededl a. " course nes, and i have noe got
/ q. Were you hot doing more work than Col
onel Kirtlandf A. Igas doing some work: I
do not know vhether ] was doing more or less
q. Were We you not doing more than l you ever yer
lizard Of his doihg7 A. That I cannot say.
e. What, did you hear Of his doingf "A.
ven, re Claimed e have influence, Whether
/ o. What aid You sysr hear Of his doing IN
connection with M Now, you know you did 8
god deali Won. stayed here Eve months, and
gave your entire attentson TO It, and made
many contracts, and collected the facts to-
esther; still, the man that you cannot find out
anything that he did, got the lone share Of
tbs thing. Now n seems to ms that you
would have had little curiosity 70 know what
he was doing What efforts aid YOU make TO
ind ont what he Was doing; did you make any7
y he reported TO me from time TO time that
tratserswere Progressings and Iprobably would
set the award. crli - r5s4ss17s ssisa.i = 80
bQsDd he give you any points Of the pro-
eressl "A. No, not particularly. .sgoa . ~
~. Nowf here you were. doing all this work,
|anqa man who was . stranger to you comes to
you occasionally and reports that matters are
progressing and you give him the lions eharei
A. gave him Just what agreed to-, ~ -
/ Q. o, yes; there e no doubt about that; but
Ido you aot yourself, In looking over It, think
that II was rather q remarkable thingi A. It
lfnay be, From their stand point 1t appears So,
but from mine, at that time, It did not There
WAS great composition here in the city Of WASH
lington, and all had to do was TO gst all the
force and all the influence to get public infiu-
10 How do you know that you got 10 when
you got himl A. I do not know that I got It.
He said had. tas s8or1s u lllii fl5ffs = q j,
q. Then after doing all the work that you
did, yen gaze away So, 900 to man because
be said he was powerful, aud you did not know
whether he was or not, and had no. means Of
coming at the facts. Nov, have you any rea-
son TO believe that you did not get the contract
after all entirely upon the representations be-
fore the board and before the public by the
arguments Of Colonel Parsons and Mr.. Gar
field, and the facts that you iadi A. do not
know but what I'wouid have received the con-
tract through their arguments alone. sTz- -o7-l
Q. Have you any reason to think you would
n'u al cannot say; did not saythat;
cannot say but that would have received the
Contract; that was one Of the things that was
not tried. sJ-t Gll t-y.-s5I IN s-.I I-i.2iJsl54
! Q. Have you any reason to believe you
would notl A. cannot answer that question.
Q. You cannot answer III A. No, sir. 900
4 q. You cannot say whether you believe you
would, or you believe you would noti A. No;
cannot, have NOT thought Of It; indeed, I
cannot at all. rziA'9'- lf-as - -
Q, You can give your belief on IL. Say what
you think now. A. might have received It,
or might not. Ecannot say. 4 --
Q. Do you think he helped you part.clei
A. Yes, SIR; l think he did help.
Q. What makes you think sol He said that
he used influence. e, !lT --z7f7
q. Have you any reason, except what he
said, to believe that he helped you Q particlei
Al do not know that I had any reason ex-
cept his word. - > -T..-..-s r
Q. Then you say you came here and gave
total stranger So, 900 on his word that he had
helped you, without inquiring into I'll A.
have gone over this ground so much, Sir
Q. There must be something more to that
A. When came to Washington, II you will
allow me TO make statement-I don't know
but what am repeating myself continually
when came to Washington, as said before,
adopted my OVID methods for securing this
contract: Finding competition was great
adopted plan OF my own for securing the con-
tract. MY people told me At $3.50 per square
yard they could afford to pay so cents per
square yard for getting contracts, or as expense,
If you please. Now, whether the arguments OF
the two gentlemen referred to would have Sc
cured me the contract or not, cannot tell
Whether 10 was necessary TO secure the SER
vices of William Colyin Brown, or Colonel A.
D. Kirkland to insure II do not know. Bct
did secure their services, IN connection with
other parties, in order, IN my Judgment, 10 In
sure success; that was all. Several parties ap-
piled TO me for contracts; that Il, they stated
they co1ld get contracts II would pay them
so many cents, per square yard. The only
caution that I exercised In making arrange
ments with these parties was always to keep
within my margin Of so cents, and II ffsy per-
sons had applied to me would have made ar
rangements with them contingent upon the
award, II Icould keep all the time with 50
cents. 30. i In d s5g4. s. g
Q. Do you pretend to say that you would
have given that so cents to anybody, provided
you had come here and got the contract,
whether they helped you or mott A. Not 10
anybody; but persons came to me continually,
telling they could get contracts. 1lls 3
@. 1 can see very well how you would give
30 cents to get o contract, but cannot see why
you would give it to q man who did not help
90 r,N 1fa1 A a 49,
Q. Well, now, that brings me right back to
that remarkable thing that you should not have
inquired, and you should have taken any in
tercst in It, There Is not person In thie room,
in ordinary conversation, but would have asked
what that man did, Bit you pay s72, 600,
which was the larger portion Of the entlreeom-
mission that was to be given, and do mot
Inquire something about the Influences that this
man had Or what he did. That You should not
have had some curiosity on the subject to make
some little inquiry, appears very strange to me.
That IL what is remarkable about Il. You
never asked him what he had done In one In
stance, or how he did it. A. BE kept report
ing to me from time to time that matters were
and that matters were going on
satisfactorily.
Q. That everything waslOEelyi A. Yes, and
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. You say you made con-
tracts with others7 A. Yes, sir; they were con-
tingent contracts. =, -
Q. Exactly; but you made the Brown CON
tract the Kirkland contract, and then you had
q contract with Mr.. Reel A. With Mr.. Rice,
yes; and Mr.. Page, think. - -s-.-
q. What was Nj. Page to geti A. Mr.. Page,
think, was to get LOG, 900 square yards within
q given time. BE came ind reported at the
time, and said that he could not get the con-
tract.
Q. What amount ,was he to received A. Il
forget. think somewhere between shirty-iyei
and forty cents square yard-thirty ed cents.
Q. What others did you have contracts With
A. Mr.. Page and Mr.. Rice, those two are an
call 10 mind. ~ Ns' - isi-.--
Q. Do you remember any othersi A. do not.
@. You did have contracts with others did
youi A. cannot say had any contracts with
others than those named. ~
Q. You had those contracts out standing, and
you settled with Kirtlandi A. These contracts
were not outstanding.
q. Well, but you had made contracts with
these parties and you settled With Kirtlandi A.
Pardon me, now, I wish TO make enc statement
In this connection. In the case Of Major Rice,
he promised to get this contract within given
time and j promised to pay him certain num-
Der Of cents per square yard ifihe would do Il.
He comes TO the hotel and says, al cannot de-
liver It In time, and ] wish further time.1 /
gave him further time. he could not deliver
u then. Then j said would annul the con-.
tract and destroyed Il. made 0 contract then
with Page. would not say which came first,