National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-03

sir; and Wilson was under his employ a. the
very identical time.
Q. Very we'll, we viii try to get at Car lin
Boyd before we get through. NJ want,to say
another thing: this man Sawyer, on the 9th Of
January, signed these bills at his own house,
In the presence of Mr.. Boyd and Mr.. Massey, !
State Senator, now in Richmond-Edward w.
Massey, He signed those bills on the morning
Of the 9th OF January, at O'Clock, at bis own
house. i went to the post Office and came to the
st. Mark Hotel, and Mr.. Massey and Mr.. Boyd
camc down, and Mr.. Sawyer. We got room
up stairs, and Mr.. Massey made out some bills
for some pipes-a small amount, two or three
hundred ddllars-end he went up stairs and
signed those bills; and be was as sober a. be
ever was in the world. That was about hall
past 9 O'Clock.
By the Chairman: Q. In the. morning or
EVENING" "A. In the, morning, sir. BE lives
over somewhere by the printing office. He
came down there. had not seen him. BE
had signed the main sewer bill, and then came
down and signed these pipe bills. Then he
said he had to make that book out which You
have In your hand now; and he had to make
1t from the original. he agreed TO hand It to
me on the next day. This was on the 9th OF
January, and on the 9th Of January, on Friday,
l met him about o'clock In the afternoon,
Mr.. Boyd and going up the Avenue and he
coming down. he took me into Dubant's and
gave me that book De said he must have q
hundred dollars. had o piece of scrip-S1f5
and / knew It was not indorsed. He had
been borrowing money. BE came TO me New
Years day, when was sick abed, and got SO.
can prove that he was drunk half the time on
the work. Besides, he never drank more than two
or three times with me. do not drink myself
He drinks whisky. He had been drinking and
borrowing money, ani wanted me to give him
hundred dollars. ] can prove this by dozen
men. He took this piece of scrip that was not
Endorsed, and one OF my friends told him was
going to report him. went down the river.
When came back he was kicking up muss.
He tried to pass the scrip off and could not,
and then said that I tried TO bribe him.
Q. Who made out this book A. Mr.. Saw
yer. 70 res
o. From WHAT A. From bis original book
that he handed in, and handed that to the
general superintendent, Charles Cunningham.
That is referring to another book, Mr.. Willcy's
time-book. So y A.
Q. Covering the same timer A.. do not
know. l never have looked at Wlley's time
book, lie sent that to me, however. 1 want a
fair shake in this matter, and know will gej
it,, / only want to explain just ehsesiy
this thing happened. -. yuu loan any money
W ME- Samog A. Not by checks. hay Q some
years ago, before there was any Board OF Pub
lie Works. Is 1t therei Indicating book in
Mr.. Wilson's hands. Let me see it, if you
please.
CT first asked ifyou didi A. do not remem-
Der, sir; not by check. have eight or ten
years ago, but very trifing amount. What is
the amount there, slri ......
Q. 1 did not say there was any. A. Well, /
have no recollection of letting him have any.
If 1t is there, of course have. am very fool
ish sometimes to lend money, and never get 1t
back.
Q. Have you torn any stubs out of this book
A. No, sir not one. will say this to the
committee, that do not intend to do any more
work for the Board Of Public Works. am 60
ing to retire down on plantation have. But
1t is not the amount of money that have made
from the board that go there with, either.
@. What was on this that was torn out OF
this book A. That is the first saw that It
was-Oh, Iwell tell you. will take my oath
that there was nothing of that kind. That
was merely to tally with the check that came
from the bank. --. ~
Q. There was nothing in It'll A. No, sir; 1t was
mistake and blotted, and it was torn OF so
that the check would correspond. What is the
next check ..... -rr e..
Q. Here arc three and Eve Where is No. 81
A. It never was torn OFF by me- or, as l said,
merely to-you see this was blotted here. /
think IL had taken 1t would have been smart
enough to have taken 1t out better than that.
@. Well, should not be surprised. What
did you say to that onei A. Samo'si Well, sir;
that has never been presented.
Q. What did you put on the stub of check
A. That is torn out, is It?
Q. l know the stub is there, but the check is
not. What became of the checki A. I do not
know, sir.
@. Why were you putting Samo's name on
the stubs of checks when you did not give him
any checklist A. l do not know whether did
or not. / might have lent that to him. have
not said did not do not remember of giving
1t TO him. If Same can be called he will tell
you. ..-.r. -- rs.- .. o.. ..
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. What was your payroll
on Saturday night A. We pay from the books,
generally. We take piece Of paper and make
out the names.
Q. What would be the amount of your pay
roll on Saturday night How many men do you
work? A. 1t varies. have had on B street
q gentleman with me, who had an interest with
me, used to pay off the men. could no. tell
you.
Q. Did you have zen, twenty, or fifty menf
A. Sometimes eighty or ninety; sometimes
sixty.
@. Did you have your horses and carts, or did
they have horses and cartsl A. Well, had
horses and carts, and the brickmakers drew
bricks with their own, and sometimes drew
brick.
Q. But the money you used you drew out of
the bank on checksl A. After no one had an
interest with me l did my own banking.
u II you drew an Of Jour money out of the
bank on checks, will you explain TO the COM
mittee how it happens that all of these amounts
which you have presented here in these books
are small amountsl A. Let me tell you that
two of my big contracts have been conducted
with partners; that have had, and they had
the handling of the money. These books had
nothing to do with that. .
Q. This is just simply your private account,
them A. No, sir; this is my account since the
10Th; think from the time l commenced in
r -.. H .-.
Q. Then you have not presented your bank
books here showing the moneys used on your
A. had not any; they did that
themselves.
Q. Where are those books7 A. They have
hem, / presume, o..
Q. Who are .'theyl" A. Mr.. Wollard.
s Q. What Wollardl A. Mr.. j. F. Wollard.
Q. Where is be! A. He is here in the city.
Q. Who else was partner of yours? A.
had a man by the name of McLanahan.
Q. Who else? A. had q man by the name
IF James Callan.
Q. Who elsel A. Nobody else, sir.
Q. Then these books do not show your
transactions with the Board of Public Works,
W far as your financial affairs are concerned.
4. Not those jobs. -..-
Q. Those books you have got? A. No, sir.
9. None of themi A. Not to my knowledge.
Q. Have you no book at all showing the
money that you paid out on account of these
A. No, sir; 1 did not keep the
'ooks. Mr.. Wollard kept the accounts.
Q. Have you any papers or memoranda that
VII show the moneys paid out on account of
lis work. A. III have will look and find
hem; cannot say where they sre..
Q. Did you not understand that this commit
ZEE wanted you to bring your books here show
ng the money that you had been. using on ac-
cunt of these contracts of yoursf A. You had
,etter subpoena Mr.. Willard. .z
@. That is not answering my question, sir.
Did you understand that this committee was
equ,ring you to bring the books showing the
money that you had used on account of these
ontracts of yoursl A. How could I, when
I'D not pay out the money? had nothing to
10 with Il. ss
Q. Did you ever inform this committee, IN
Il within the last two minutes, that that was
he faeta A. did not suppose you wanted to
md only what / had been doing in my own be-
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Q. Then those books that you have now pro-
uced to the committee do not contain state
nent of the moneys that were paid out on &C
CUNT of your work. A. Not on B street inter
epting sewer, nor Slash Run sewer.
Q. Those were the large contracts, were
heyt How about R-street sewer; Is that In
lerea A. No, sir; do not know as 1t Is in
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