National Republican., 1874-05-29
persscslS pssiss,. Il is barely possible sha.

perfectly pselct. pefoly Possipis s1a'
O. You fnd, theI, y Is dificuit to produce
them without moro thorough examination
eortesDondine with that S65, 900 check Of the
lFreedrnan's banki A. csSpot specify exactly
what the vouchers were, but che vouchers are
charged IN that account Of the expenditures.
They are charged somewhere there,
O. We want to know wherei 4. cannot
i tell what they are. You certainly find checks
| for all those vouchers.
O. We want to see the items II we could.
| So that since your former examination you are
unable here, then, to-day, to produce vouchers
that you are able to swear are The vouchers for
the s5o,000 or 900 checkf A. Yes, sir
utterly impossible-ths Identical vouchers.
Q. 50 that it Is not at all surprising that
outsiders are unable to find A. An out
| slider would know very we'll it Is charged there,
whether he got the money or not. If he came
and said he didn't get II, I would show his
voucher for 1t.
Q. How does Mr.. L. 8. Filbert, when he
reads your account, know that there is en-
you yourself cannot identify 1t as being the
onei A. Why would he want to knouf
Q. You have made the statement here re-
peatedly that your own account was 80 Kept
| that any person being disposed to ascertain its
| accuracy could ascertain by simply looking at
lit A. 1 stated this: You take any OF these
things, ct. Joyce, for whole square, s22l,
219.h Well, T. Joyce says he. didn't receive
that money. go right to the office and get
the certificate that has q receipt on the back Of
| 1t, showing that have paid II. take another
one, "Gray & Noyes," &c. II man says
didn't pay him that check, and show the
check with his Endorsement on It, 1t is evidence
did pay It.
O. Now, then, suppose Mr.. Filbert were
little curious to ascertain when you had en-
tered and where you had entered that 1000
that YOU produced the voucher for, how could
he ascertain, by this account, that it had ever
been entered in your account A. He sees 1t
charged there, SIS, 900.
@. You yourself swear that you cannot tell
that it is part of iti 4. Why would be want
to knowa
Q. 1 don't know; but he might be a little
/ curious perhaps, and want TO prepare memo
rial to find out. A. have my check. payable
| to L. s. Filbert, or order, for $4,000. 1t is
shown that 1t has been paid, because it has his
| Endorsement.
o. The reason you didn't enter 1t was be-
cause you rather thought Filbert would not
want to knowI A. No, sir. didn't enter 1t
because there was no necessity for 1t. There
are the charges of the account for the money
have received; and that is the same explana-
ton in regard to the Freedman's bank.
Q. Didn't YOU suppose they would ever want
|
see the entry Of $50, 900, given them on given
dayi A. No, sir; didn't suppose anything of
the kind. l didn't suppose it was any business
of theirs how my account is kept if they got
their money.
Q. Is that the sort Of theory that you had as
the treasury of board that disburses S14, ,000,-
900 or SIS, 900, ,000-that nobody was interested
In the veracity of your accounts but yourself
A. No, sir: because there is an exhibit of my
accounts. Anybody can come and verify them
| at any time. You can come and pick out one
hundred items and l will bring you certificates
| for them.
Q. Very we'll we have asked you-
Witness. You have asked me for checks, and
l stated just now you come into my
Q. You produce vouchers, and ask you II
you can indicate in your account where you
had entered either the $50, 900 or the s55 600
| check, they being merely samples in your ac-
count, and you even yet are unable to say with
certainty-to indicate where those items are
entered in your account 4. am simply un.
able to indicate or furnish the certificates paid
with that check, but the certificates are charged
there.
O. Now, then, that $3.50, 900 that were with.
drawn out of the bank by you upon the checks
on the 18th and 18th day of July, 1873, were
not entered in your account until the 21st day
of August, 1873, were theyl A. No, sir.
@. And then we find upon the check stubs
in different ink from that which indicates the
psyee of the check, the certificates that wert
subsequently taken up by the Board OF Public
Works, or rather By you as the treasurer Of the
board. a. Yes, sir.
Q. And you say that the entry of the
numbers of the certificates was entered at
subsequent date, therefore Is not the infer
ence one which an outsider would naturally
draw that that money may have laid in YOU
hands between twelve and fifteen days of July
and the 2lst day of August and have beer
manipulated by you in buying certificates, and
when certificates were in fact obtained, hav.
been entered up at their face on this account
Is there anything in this state of facts incon
! sistent excepting, of course, your own integrity
with that state of facts! A. Yes, sir; the
check is payable to an order.
Q. 1t may or may not be. A. 1t is payable
to an order. AIithe checks that speak Of
every one of these four checks-is payable Il
order.
Q. OF Mr.. Bakeri A. Yes, sir; and Mr.
McKilden.
Q. Payable to George F. Baker. CASHIER A
Yes, sir.
Q. Why didn't you enter the number of tn,
| certificates when you drew the check? A.
don't know but did.
Q. How happens It you entered # in differ
ent mkt A. I don't know that it is differen
. ink.
Q. That is very apparent A. No, sir; YER
often your pen will show a different mark.
don't think that it is apparent at all, tina
those numbers are not entered in the same ink
And want to say this, that If had gone ou
and bought these certificates, 1 would hav
: entered the numbers in the check books.
! Q. There was nothing inconsistent witt
. this-nothing TO prevent the party to who's
order the check was drawn buying the certif
cate for youl A. Well, you can examine Mr.
Baker.
2. know; but am speaking Of the system
of the bookkeeper, without any design of bein
! misconstrued in any way whatever. 1t 1
!! simply in reference TO the method in whicl
this large amount of money was disbursed b,
the board. Ordinarily, so far as my experenc
goes, governments, in disbursing moneys, pas
a check through at least two hands, 10 orde
: that there may be two sets of books-the comp
trollcr and treasurer, each having a check o,
, the other? A. That has not been our plan
1 You have stated that.
@. understand you are the sole custodian
T of the money, and that you draw checks as ab
! solutely and unqualiiedly as though it wer
your own bank and nobody was interested il
iti A. Yes, sir.
: Q. And disbursed the money to me or an
other person without any question by an
member of the boardi A. That is so, exactly
memorandum In writing that gave you O.
yesterday or the day beforef L. think
have. Witness produces it..
Q. asked you to bring me the vouchers tlpo
) which you paid 81, 900 TO c. E. Evans, as az
pears upon your report of 1878, on page 166
. A. gave 1t to you. -
Q. Is that the voucher upon which you pai
: that money, 81, ,0O0, for work as follows
A. will tell you in q moment-yes, sir.
g. What is thatf A. Tho auditors certiH
Gates.
@. And this Is what the auditor issued hi
certificates upon! A. That is what the sudito
issued his certificates upon.
9. Now l will read it: Mr. Wilson the
kreads1 That is the kind of papers on whicl
you paid out the thousand dollarsi A, 1 diC
not on that, but on this
| Q. That is the kind of paper on which tn
auditor issued that certifcatel A. suppos
so. In the first place, the auditor had thu
measurement in his Office for this work and b.
took his receipt for that certificate, and b
charged his account and charged those street
for that much money.
Q. called on you to furnish the voucher OF
which you paid s5, 900 to Jones s. Collins, pag
125 of that report. This is the voucher Of
which you paid it.
The Witness. There is the voucher paid
on. WITNESS producing one.
Q. That is the voucher on which the sudito
issued the certi6eate-the one readl A. Yes
, sir.
Q. This order from Jones & Collins, Mary
land Freestone and Mining Company, TO
5000. 1t was paid on that order to Jones 4