National Republican., 1874-04-02

Q. Where did Bates Hvei A. In the Icity.
Q. L he here yeti A.: Yes, SIR:
Q Who else was there on the part Of some
other companyi A; This was principally with
our company with view of formin
O. Was there 9 conference betwet paT-
ties representing these different eompaniesi 4.
Yes, SIR, this conference Of which speak.
q. Who else was there, now; who were the
parties representing the other companyl A. /
suppose Mr.. Shepherd was the other company.
/ treated with him as the other company.
=, Did you treat with anybody e.sei A.
did subsequently.
Q. With whom did you treat subsequently,
A. Mr.. Lewis Clephane and Mr.. Kilbourn. At
that time Mr., Tulloek was member Of the
cSApany. He went with me. .F.
.. When was that conferencel A. Il was
Just before the letting of Pennsylvania avenue.
Q. What occurred at that conferencei A..
There was nothing really occurred. He did
Mr.. Bass. He asks you what took place.
The Witness. / simply had conference for
the purpose Of consolidating the companies.
q. Was the object that was sought to be ac-
complished by this consolidating discussed or
talked about therei A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, what was I'll A. It YVES to unite
them all into one company; all to have uni
formity Of bid and divide the thing.
Q. Was that thing finally accomplished A..
No, SIR.
By Mr.. Bass; O. State what tc5k place-we
have not had that yet-at the conference; what
was said, and who said It, as nearly as you can
telli A. / think It was at the suggestion Of Mr..
kidwen we came together. he wanted the
thing consolidated, and proposed to Mr.; Gle
phane to have It donea Mr.. Clephane said he
was very desirous Of having II done, and they
agreed upon sbasis; that Is, to meet again, but
In the meantime Mr.. Kilbourn sold us out.
Q. What you have been asked is this: What
was said, If you can tell It, as near as you can
tell, at the conference you had with Governor
Shepherd, yourself, and Bates; what was said,
what was your proposition, and what reply was
madef Give II as accurately as you can. A.
Well, think the proposition we made to Mr..
Shepherd was this: That we would consolidate
the company; that Is, unite the Stowe, Bal
lard, and Rheem. Mr.. Shepherd went out
with me, and said in regard to this matter: ''I
cannot be known to be Interested In anything. !"
Said he: "Some people think am dead, but 1
am notjust dead yeti" and, said he, "you may
consult with Mr.. Kilbourn, who will act in my
interest" lid so; Invent right directly to him.
BY Mr.. Bass: @. Tell all that transpired at
that interview before you go away from there.
/ You say he said he was not dead; some people
thought he was; but you might consult Hal
let Kilbourn. What else was said at that in
terviewl A. He said he would represent him
i'm that matter.
Q. What else was saidi A. do not think
much else was said.
Q. How long did the interview lastl A. A
very few moments; went then TO see MT.
Kilbourn, ..a rss ~s NsA - ~
O sow, then, are you clear upon this sub
1ect, because 1t is an important one, as to the
GoYeyp9r's language with reference to Saying
that he could not be interested-whether he
could not be interested or whether he could not
be known to be interested. Have you any
recollection; can you state with any elearness
your recollection what his language vast A.
think he said he could not be known to be in
terested.
BY Mr. Jewett: Q. What do you mean by Mr.
Shepherd saying that some thought he was
dead, but he was not quite dead yetl A. Mr..
Shepherd-we had had great deal of turmoil
ana SS sRa would uaa6GsfGGS ao@o nso
power and another be set aside, and think Mr..
Shepherd was very prominent man, in one or
two administrations before, and perhaps had
but little to do with those and the one previous,
under Mayor Bowen. I understood 1t to refer
TO that.
Q. 1t referred to his political lifei A. Yes,
sir.
@. Anything said about the property-in,
creasing his property or livingl A. No, sir.
@. Nothing was said about having something
to live of Oft A. No, sir; think not.
By Mr.. Stewart: Q. You say that this was In
the spring Of 1871 A. Yes, sir; think ii
was.
Q. What time in the springl A. think IT
was in the summer. We were at it from some
time early in spring. ....
O. What time were the contracts on Penn.
sylvania avenue, between the Capitol gate and
the Treasury Department, let2 A. may be
mistaken In the year. It was the very year the
contracts were let.
Q. What time were they let; you do not
knowi A. My impression, stating from recol-
lection, 1t was In the fall of the year; am not
positive about that, however; did not carry
the date particularly in my mind.
pavement laidf <. Mayor Emery was acting
at that time. He was one of the judges of the
pavement to be given out.
Q. OF which company were you a member?
A. OF the National.
Q. Had the National laid any pavement. at
that timei A. No, sir.
@. Had It been organized A. No, sir.
@. Had the Metropolis held any at that time!
A. No, sir.
Q. Had II been organized A. No, sir.
@. Neither of these companies were organ
lied at that timei A. At that time, not.
Q. This was a conversation In reference to
organizationl A. Yes, SIR
Q. And 1t was previous to laying the last
wood pavement on Pennsylvania; that is, the
wood pavement laid between the Capitol gate
and the Treasury? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was Mr.. Shepherd In any way connected
with the government of the District-the city
at that timel A. l do not think he was.
Q. Then the Metropolis company had not
then been organizeda A. l think It had not.
Q. Did this organization that was contem-
plated there have reference to the laying of
that pavement that was provided for under
Mayor Emery's administration A. On the
avenue?
Q. For which Congress had previously made
an appropriation A. Yes, sir.
Q. 1t had refence to thati A. Yes, sir.
Q. And to the bidding on it, A. Yes, sir.
Q. And to nothing elsea A. Not as far as l
know.
Q. Nothing else but that particular pave
mentl A. That was all.
Q. What impfopriety would there have been
In Mr. Shepherd or any one else who was not
connected with the government bidding on that
pavement A. l do not see any.
Q. Do you know whether Mr.. Shepherd came
into the organization A. No, sir; do not. 1
know Mr.. Shepherd was interested in a pave
ment-in the adoption of certain payements
there on that avenue.
Q. How do you know Of that factl A. Well,
II came under my own observation.
Q. That he was in favor of one kind of pave
menti A. Yes; sir; / thought so.
q. Did these negotiations that you had there
terminate In any organization A. No, sir;
only each company formed its own company.
Q. You formed the company termed the
National, and there was a Metropolis Company
formedi A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did each get some of the contracts? A.
The Metropolis got some.
Q. Did you get anyi A. No, sir.
q. How many companies got contracts at
that time In putting down the wood pavement
A. think three or four.
Q. What companies were theyl A. think
the Miller, the Atwell, and the Follansbee.
Then there was another patent Mr.. Brown put
down. do not remember the name.
Q. Then there were four different patents
put down. A. Yes, sir.
Q. What was the patent that you repre-
scntedl A. The Ballard and the Rheem.
Q. Was either OF these put downl A. No,
sir.
Q. Did you put in bidi A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was 1t let under Mayor Emery to the
lowest bidderi A. I think not.
Q. How was IL let? Did they advertise for
proposals. A. They chose committee. The
committee adopted that kind of pavement TO be
used-General M.chler and Mayor Emery.
Q. Who elsef A. lido not remember who the
other was, to decide between the three.
Q. Did they decidsi A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did Mayor Emery follow their decisionl
A. suppose be was one.
Q. He was one of the committee, but did he