The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1874-05-18
The Debate in the House of
Lords.
Lord Derby "Not Without Anxi-
ETY." About Peace.
What Bismarck Proposed to
ar Victor Emmanuel.
WILL ITALY ATTACK FRANCE
The Debate Ina the House OF Lords.


j, M Prom the London Times, May 81 e
Earl Russell, who was heard but very indis-
tinctly, rose TO move for copies OF any corre-
spondence relating to the maintenance OF the
peace OF Europe with the governments Of the EN-.
peror Of Germany, the Emperor or AUSTRIA the
Emperor OF Russia and the French Republic, which
can be communicated without injury TO the public
service The noble Earl was understood TO say
that his inquiries had reference to the state Of
Europe and to the Intentions OF the gov.
ernment ON certain eventualities The state
OF Europe i've years ago was one OF great
apparent tranquility, and there seemed, according
70 q statement OF the then existing government, to
be no danger Of rupture OF that peace; yet people
VINO were well informed knew there was a deter.
mination on the part OF the States OF Germany to
have q confederation OF Germany, and, on the
other hand, determination on the part OF the
French to obtain what they wanted on the lett
bank OF the Rhine. rn4gf4-ta Aa
FRANCE DETERMINED TO HAVE REVENGE.
They were aware OF the events which had since
occurred, and what he now wished TO know was
whether the symptoms OF agitation and hostility
which at present were perceived were the subsid-
ing waves OF past storm or the omens Of coming
tempest They had 1t from q great man, Field
Marshal Moltke, in q statement made recently by
him to the German Parliament that what Germany
BAu ODLbuueO III i've mOutu6 WOutQ require ulLy
years to consolidate. SO much for Germany. He
had been told by people well informed that the
whole Of the French army, from the highest mar.
shall down to the lowest ensign, were determined
20 have their revenge for what they regarded as a
rupture Of her integrity by the annexation OF
Alsace and Lorraine. The question, then, was
shose sne noM were
whether, Notwithstanding those symptoms, we
might remain Tor some years in peace and tran.
inD M orr rUpC ami
the peace Of Europe was likely to be disturbed, it
would be desirable to know whether Her Majesty's
take measures to preserve the peace Of Europe.
For his own part, he was convinced that such was
the vast influence OF England IN the councils OF
Europe that 1t would be IN her power to preserve
the general peace.
ENGLAND TO ALLY WITH GERMANY.
He did not think any Power would venture to
disturb 1t II there Was q strong alliance between
England and the other Powers to preserve the
peace OF europe. He imagined, in the nrst place,
that they might rely on Her MaJesty's government
70 adhere to all the engagements and all the trea
tues to which the Crown Of Great Britain is bound
70 her ahies But on this point he hoped tnefo
would be no attempt to evade or shirk those POSI-
tive engagements which. the Crown Of THIS
was any danger TO, the peace OF Europe the
whole influence OF Great Britain would be ex.
sTcised for the purpose Of preserving saat peace
Europe without the innicton OF great evils this
country. Il was not only that trade wouin suffer-,
but also the social happiness the progress Of
liberty and the advance OF arts and civilization
would be endangered. A great man. who had
great influence, and ought TO have great influence,
IN the councils OF Germany, had declared that il
was necessary for the Empire to have standing
army OF 100000. de did not require the noble Earl
70 give him any Information which would be III.
furious TO the public service, but he thought the
suject was one Of such interest 70 Parliament ana
the country that any Information the noble Karl
could give. and which would enable the country
to form an opinion, so as TO prepare Tor coming
events would be very valuable at the present
time. The noble Earl then moved for the papers.
AGITATION IN EUROPE E..
The Earl Of Derby said, on rising TO reply
The noble Earl asks me whether we are to regard
the agitation which we now see In Europe as only
result Of past wars, as only the swell left ~
gard as an Indication OF new storms that are about
to rage. NY lords, If am TO answer that ques-
tion. however generally, can only 40 SC by dis
tinguishing between the more Immediate and the
more remote. 8tf
GROUNDS FOR ANXIETY
II look to the more remote events-and events
pass quickly in these days-I 40 not think 1t would
be fair, or that 1t would be right or honest Tor me,
present appearances there may be grounds Tor
and anxiety. do not say that
any peculiar or oca but come
mon to the whole world We must all bear
IN our recollectlons the events that hap
years ago. We know the feelings they have
left in the minds OF two great populations and
was Impossible out they should have left. l.'Hear,
hearty We know, again. tnat among the popula-
tion OF France there ls very general ana vide
have lost by the fortune OF war; and on the other.
there Is an equally strong determination to retain
that which has been acquired. Now, that is o con-
diton oil things which is known TO ALL and In re-
ferrlng to II am merely reminding your lordshlps
OF circumstances OF winch you are aware. the
subject Is one which must occupy the attention Of
those who have the care OF foreign Affairs. IL may
be said there is use in trying TO prevent as that
do what we may, war will come sooner or later |
think Is was Mr.. Canning wno IN reply 70 person
who made similar remark TO him, saiu, "Weli, II
it is come sooner or later | should prefer tnat it
sQOnpr.N A.
"HeaF'D
feelings OF agitation Will subslde In mems minds,
and that, therefore, there will be greater cnance
o. me @ he o. r.
dong very rash thing II ventrred to predict
what may happen IN some years tc come. , But
II may judge from all the information receive
rom the general tone and spirit OF the communica.
ttons which reach me from all parts OF Europe-so
far as immediate appearances 20 there Is no Sc
ous cause for o.
e &c Ssaseas Of war nS Sssom ma5
peace Now. my lords, that is an inquiry which
i think there cannot be any doubt that withoui
ourselves In quarrel to which we were
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Earl asks whether we shall adhere to our Inter-
national Treaty engagements. ! do not think
as to the answer which shall feel II my
duty to give to that question. n for any reason
AN International Treaty or engagement becomes
inappcable to the time, is certainly the duty OF
the government TO state that to the other parties
to the treaty; but you accept the obligations OF
q treaty and give the other parties reason to
believe that you consider them binding, you are
bound In honor and good faith 10 MAINTAIN them.
(.Hear, hear.,D II Is well known that England has
even OF late entered into treaties, and do not
hesitate TO say That we regard them as binding in
honor and good iAitn. (sHear, hear.'1 As regards
the papers for which the noble Earl has asked. I
have looked through them but do not ind In the
correspondence anything OF such character as
to prevent them from being laid on the table at the
present time so TAR as the government OF this
country Is concerned. We have no reason Tor
Withholding them, out there are the Interests or
other governments to be regarded, and We are
bound to respect the confidence which they re-
pose IN US. II there are any papers OF later date
which the noble Ear, may require, and II they can
De lad on the table without inconvenience to the
punnc service, small be happy to produce them.
t"Hear, hearty