National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-10

worki A. stated the other day before thu
committee that the arrangement was was 4
receive ffteen cents, OF its equivalent; but thu
arrangement wan set aside, and was not paio
oy the percentage system. Inc Work wa va,
afterwsrd measures by the engineer OF tht
board, and was pssd boarG prices for that
work.
By Mr.. Mattingly: O. That is Gre same mat
ter you testified about beforei 4. Yes, SIR.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. Now, while You were do
Ing work on that system, did you do any cellar
ID ygingi A. Yes, sir.
Q. How was that paid fort A. That was
contract work.
Q: Entirely separate from the board work.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Were any of the men you worked on the
the percentage system, while you were work
ing Oh the percentage system, worked in this
cellar diggfngl A. Not to my knowledge. Ny
orders were very definite and distinct on that
subject. The timekeeper Is here in town, and
he will know.
| Q. Who 10 hei A. A Mr.. Small.
| Q. You have no knowledge of anything of
that kindf A. To the best of my knowledge
there was never an hour charged on public
work that was devoted to private work.
By Mr. Mattingly: Q. You had been doing
business here as a builder for q long number
Of yearsi A Yes, SIR.
Q. How long had Mr.. Shepherd known you
probablyi A. don't know how long Mr..
Shepherd has known me. / have known him
shout twenty years.
Governor Shepherd. would like to ask Mr.
Collins a question.
O. Do you recollect conversation Won had
with me about building the cellars of my new
houses, when you wanted to use some material
that the Board of Public Works had been
using, and which you said would be good ma
terial for the cellars Of my housesl A. The
way understood it was this: I was about to
1 with Tor h.,fld -,
K street, and in the exercise Of what consid-
cred my own rights, went to one Of the off,
GERS of the board-the property clerk-Cap-
tain Wall, I think, and / purchased from him
some two hundred perches of stone-old stone
refuse stone that were on his hands. did
that without Mr.. Shepherds knowledge,
think, and had them hauled to the building
where was about to commence those cellars.
l was about to use these stones in the cellars
when Mr.. Shepherd, as he was living In the
square, saw the stone and refused to allow me
to use them in the building, and had to haul
them away. l recollect very distinctly of his
Directing to the stone going into the building.
Governor Shepherd. l will state, so far as
Mr.. Collins is concerned, that he is one of the
most energetic contractors in the city, and can
do what few others would do, and do it quickly
and well.
MR.. MCCLELLAN, RECALLED.
By Mr.. Christy: Q. You say that when you
reached Philadelphia your attention was called
to the fact that certain kilograms had been re-
ceiVed prior to your comingl A. Yes, sir; q
few DAYS before got to Philadelphia there
were dispatches sent to the hotel where
stopped requesting me to come to Washing.
ton.
Q. Had you any arrangement with Critten.
den that he should conduct this telegraphic
correspondence A. The first knowledge had
of it was when arrived there, and my atten.
ton was drawn to It.
Q. Did you learn subsequently the source
from which he obtained his information that
these kilograms would meet you on your ar.
rival in Philadelphia A. think he eitheI
dispatched or wrote to Chicago to my partner
to know If one of US could not come on i'm
mediately to Washington. twas absent from
the city of Chicago at the time in Muscatine
Iowa. From there went to st. Louis, an6
my partner did not know where Twas. HI
knew, however, that was going East, and hi
dispatched right to Mr.. Chittenden, saying
that would be In New York on or about {
certain time in the month, and would stop II
Philadelphia. Mr.. Chittenden told me tha
that was the reason he dispatched to the hote
for me to come to Washington, thinking thu
dispatch would catch me.
o. That then was the beginning of that bust
ness relation with Mr.. Chittendenl A. Yes
sir; so far as the Chittenden matter is con
cerned.
Q. He had had no interest in any matters
pertaining to pavement contracts prior to thai
timel A. Not any.
Q. You knew Mr.. Chittenden to be a person
of the character you have described him, and
of the habitsi A. That is how placed him.
@. He had lived in that luxurious style,
understand, even befole that time? A. Yes
sir.
O. But you had had no such relations as
compelled you to contribute to the expenses
A. Not at all. 1t was talked of previous to
that time, that If he would get contracts we
would pay him certain portion of the profits
that is outside of the city of Chicago.
Q. There was that general arrangement be-
tween you, prior to your receiving these tele-
grsmsi A. Yes, sir; some time before it.
Q. And were his labors to be confined to any
particular cityi A. No, sir; no particular city
other than at that time they anticipated doing
a large amount of work in the city Of Phila-
delphia. He said that he had a great deal of
influence there, and that he could get con-
tract. That is why he came in to make such
an arrangement. If he got contract in the
city of Philadelphia and other places, he
wanted certain portion of the profits.
O. Now what profits did you stipulate to pay
him in Philadelphia for any contracts obtained
therel A. One-third Of the profits.
Q. Did you and he then make an estimate Of
the cost of laying your paVementa A. No, sir
we did not.
Q. You had no conversation upon that sub,
ject with hint A. No, sir.
Q. How did he learn he could make any
profit this wayl A. He knew the price we got
In Chicago, and talked the matter over more
particularly with Mr.. DeGolyer than he did
with me; and after he had sent for me to come
to Washington he asked me with regard to the
price. He said there was to be $3.50 q yard
paid for pavement.
Q. So that the original arrangement, then
included any service Of this nature he NIGH
render for you in any cityi A. Yes, sir; ouI
of the city of Chicago. That was reserved fol
ourselves.
Q. Now, this 500, 900 of which you spoke
the S97 900, as 1t became sfterward, was to bt
separate and distinct from this interest in the
profits that Mr.. Chittenden was to havel A.
Yes, sir.
o. Then YOU did come to Washington and
remained several days subsequent to this time
A. Yes, sir. came here and staid, think
about eight days.
Q. Where did you stopi A. At the AIRING
ton.
o. Whom did you meet there with reference
to this business? A. Mr.. Chittenden.
Q. Did you meet Colonel Kirkland therea A
I saw him there.
ton theref A. / saw Mr.. Huntington there.
Q. Did you talk with him on that subject
A. No, sir; not word.
, Q. At no timel A. No, sir; have n
recollection of ever talking with Mr.. Hunting
ton.
Q. And never conversed with Mr.. Hunting
ton on this subject A. No, SIR; never hay
conversed with him on this subject moro thal
this: When was leaving the city Of Washing
I ton called at the First National Bank, wher
Mr.. Huntington was, to say that was leavtn
, the city, and hoped that he would treat m
friend Mr.. Chittenden with good deal Of cor
sideration, and If he could assist him In gettin
contract that would take D. o. gres
, favor.
o. You knew before, did you not, that Nj
Huntington was aiding himl A. Mr.. Chitten
den told me that Mr.. Huntington was hi
, friend, and he thought Mr.. Huntington coul'
help him in getting contract.
Q. And thereupon, as you were leaving tn
city, you called upon Mr.. Huntington an
i made the request you have stated A. fe:
sir; I did at Mr.. Chittenden's expense.
Q. viii yon please explain why IL was tina
your firm received certain early payments L
advance of executing any contract For In
stance q payment on the 5th day of Septem
Der, 1872, of SO, 000i A. I do not know any
, thing about that. was not here, then.
Q. Can you explain the payment on the SStl
, day of September Of IS, 0O0i A. cannot.
, Q. Or upon the 18th day Of Octoberi
The Witness. What was the amount