New-York tribune., 1874-03-11

| sho glad To nave IL ptn'i
the figures did carry that gentleman CUT In reS'i
70 .ne sIITI ER sep Mass asked mr Dawes how i
was in reference the statement IN MT Dawes spae.
some weeks ago about the ~ S Stn an any
| troversy with his colleague -, ~, ,..orocoa
Mr. BECK proceeded Win h nus speech er hc re h aaI had
been en- gneered by Mr.. Garfield; and then passing ~
the anestIon OF unc expended balances he CHARGED ta
ofIIcIas were withholding the s2oooOo OF pended
balances and drawing upon dnen % w''Ise m auT o he
had shown that $Il9oOoOoo had been approprau ey %
the enrs1t s n se @ oyer the preceding year and Of still
larger sum over the year before that and mat ,ne ny ny
Mr. BUTLER rep Mass said that IL he were oSaG con-
vnced that the Secretary OF thg lrensury 1hu cT
pended balances In violation OF law, ne would luron,
tomorrow resonoh f5 be n and to argue
that the had not been violated Revertne 10 mr
he did not know who had engineered that bill II t
was the gentleman from ono or ln, da,nelui, ~
that gentleman had not done badly In that respect LA
had seen in the public prints that he Mr Butierl naa
engineered II he had engineered It In the interest o
Sa~e got the Contract first had examined the
eer sena 20 name was almost
the only of member which din , not appgid ppprid
have the contract aud did NOT know any thing OF u nn
after Sanborn had got It, II Mr. Sanb9rn hau asAoS i h,
against it. because there were enyous inen c,ou a
lying men, who would INSIST IL ha ,as n9 and
that II he sensitive at all ne would never get n9y
enough enough TO Ss pH@nstTaton had been
this matter by corrupt press eggeG or e % ou OF ts
taxes He give history OF the IA ", anu nne
for giving out such contraot tn1 @ s % w.
roads whisky dealers and from m INC enc he5 srooa Si oa
had been brought to book for half million Oh paeH
&MgS MT FOSTER dep ohio) asked Mr Buffer how much
had been collected the Erie Railroad company
Mr. BUTLER replied that none OF u had peen Gooeveu M
vat becaus the Erie Railroad Company hau seV te cN
papers on Sanborn In order to get the law @ a
TO get ups n Congress over n tl n.e uio LUZ oo'
| 1aliru uputta Ia
| Mr. RICK iDem, KyJ asked Mr.. Butler whether Ire
supposed that 81. se MS Sor seGs pau
Mr.. BUTTERFLY no means, On the contraiy itnanH 'd
the gentleman from Kentucky for giving me the oppoI
tuny Of stating what could not otherwise have stated
| Mr. BECK-I certainly have never connected inc gen,
,harn sOVthnS on esrt that is apparent
contracts from their inception 10 Inc present ue
Mr.. .BUTLER-Precissiy as corrupt asI supposc the
Secretary of the Treasury was frauduent IN spending
| these balances 1t Is to say "corrupt" III you
show me anybody who has been called upon 70 pay
that he dd not owe, VII VIII peg ms p0 ana ,bat
will be hard enough. (Laughter.J stand mere not to
by hard S wSa sS on ofa % Of @at ha
said, will be ready " meet him anywhere unuer snS
Mr. ELDRiDGE Dem, wis) nsNed whernqr q would
have been more In eonsonan9e wtn kepuoioah& & in
| stitutions and "a Republican Administration 70 nave
removed the oacors who failed their duty and put
in their stead good men would have executed Jhe
| law 30 as not 10 necessitae any such proceedings
| Mr.. BUTLER replied that the question was Ia enect
whether it would not be better FOR everybody to do his
own duty. He agreed that it was. But those dereet
taxes had been concealed and never wona nave peeh
collected but for the efforts Of the contractor.
MT FOSTER rep. ohio), member Of the Committee
on ways Means said that he had offered the reson
under which the report about the sanporh contraS
had been made. BE was also authorizes oy tle C9n-
G He Ea unSertooS to say thai threefourhs Of ali the
collections made under those contracts Wond nave Deen
{ MT HAWLEY Qop. Conu.) related the case OF Geo.
W. Williams Il Co. OF Hartford, Conn, who had under
paid under this Sinborn contract,
although the Collector and the Commissioner OF Internnl
Revenue had decided both before aud AFTER that they
| l1af far fbnaa fay nv
but the execution of it was infamous. IL was black
mailing
Mr. BrJTIER was glad 10 have one case specified and
what it IL was the case OF patent medicine Ven-
who had paid his taxes, bat who, auer having
had time 10 take counsel paid them under these
tracts. had charged that any penalties had
tMr Buter) failed TO see IT, If tax had been wrOngtuy
pad could have been returned by the Secretary oi the
Treasury, but this firm had never applied FOR 1t. He
supposed they had not got over their scare yet.
Mr. DAWES Gep, Massl protested against this dis
'SOF Mr. FOSTER M ep Ohio, said that the effect of tho
law had been that instead OF these contractors assisting
the revenue officers discovery of back the
officer had been assisting them for which they
OF the taxes mad been collected Dy Two men one Oh tne
Mr. simmons, the then superysor IOr MaSsaohusetts,
gentlemen had been since indicted aud would probably
go the penitendry. while the other had been pro-
Mr.. BUTLER expressed the wish that 500 sanborns
the government and then Congress would not be
Obliged to tax the poor mans G Tea Tea ana eoues ,o ana
taxes uncelleced and sanborn only wanted TO De let
loose upon them:
In which he alluded to Nh. Butler as an attorney for
Sanborn
Mr.. BUTLER denied that he Sanborns attorney.
He had never beeu retained in case by him. but no had
hoped TO be- and he would give his best seryces very
cheap III helping TO get taxes out OF these railroad cou
panes In response to Mt' Fosters alusion' he sad
mIsstatcinent and that was not because a man had
said what not true, but only because he had kept
Mr HALE CRep Mel denounced the whole system of
spies and inforrners and special agents. II looked
him as If the Treasury Department for their
henert instead of their acting for the benefit of the
Treasury Department He would bld The Committee
Ways and Means godspeed Ia Their Efforts to repeal the
law.
Mr.. DAWES G2sp. Mass) regarded the whole discus
sion premature and expressed ns amaze Inen ndL
his colleague tMr Butlc0 Lad rushed into tue debnte
aud had insisted discussing the merits OF the San
born contracts when his name mad been ln no manner
connected with it, except BY the puDuc peess ana as
ms colleague mad prociamed thV ne had no regard ior
the public press, he supposed he would nave Deeu
willing wait till the matter came regularly before the
House. He denounced the policy OF farming out the
revenues The effect OF 1t corruptng.
Mr.. L. II. ROBERTS (Rep., n. ~, another member OF
the Committee on WAYS and Means, expressed himself
to the effect The country, he said, aid not want
such +" blood money"
Mr.. PHELPS (Rep, n j. detailed how, as an exou-
Of an estate he mad been called upon t. pay tc tax
on the resduary estate before the matter had been SET
might aboit $4,000 under the anxiety OF these
tractors (SnOse position he did not know az the tmc
to collected tho money in order TO get so per cent
Mr.. HAWLEY rep, ConBD denounced the sInbOrn
contracts as discreditabe 10 the Government
Mr.. cox (Dcp., " VA 10 the Republican party.
Mr. RANDALL dem. PeuD.) said he had opposed tlle
passage of the measure under which the ssnborn
tracts gwen ana would detail at the proper lime
some history These officers had exercised their
tyranny IN Philadelphia in manner that the
ieIDan from Massachusetts, tAr Butier would hardly
| defend
| Mr. BUTLER,-n It was bad I Will not defend 1t.
Mr.. PHELPs said that on looking over the report OF
the Secretary Oh these sanborn contracts he round rfe
which he detailed to the House. similar items IN
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