National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-04

} s25,oOo out Of them, and they did not owe N
dollar at the time made this trade.
J By Mr.. Thurman: Q. What was this prog
erty worth that was mortgagedaboye the mori
1 gagesl A. The house and lot was given me 70
making a man . loan which did for him. II
made me present Of it over aud above tn
mortgage. lt was worth really $4,000 o
81, 900, 5000 or d, 900 marginin the propert,
at fair price. But stu It was q narrow house
i believe the narrowest one I ever saW-14 feet
A handsome stone front, very beautiful littll
house.. IL had been bought for 90 900 and solt
for 81 coo. That ! made q trade to Mr.. Philpo
for, and it did not cost me cent, 500 feet OF
the corner Of Wabash avenue paid year be
fore that SIS foot for, and I put IL into thi.
trade at $50 9 foot. He has got margin q
he has not cold n or disposed III. ] sold mine
for s35 600, although at the time sold Il Il
him lido not think c was worth over s27, 500 OF
$4,000. There was probably SIC, 900 or 81, 0oC
Margin In that ct the time I sold 10 to him. II
was put 10 at margin Of CSC, 900. Twas fg.
uHng TO buy this paper ct about 80 cents or
Blythe Chairman: Q. n was purely money
fransaction wish youi A. Yes, sir; entirely.
2. BY which you expected by series Of
manpulations TO make some money! A. lex.
pected as these Inenwent along In business
could get 90, 600 then and 81, O0On now. and keen
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out Of them IN . year or two. knew shis
paper was slow paper, but Ibid expect to get
every dollar and interest In time and believed
them and knew them 10 be good. knew this
man was frightened about the paper and did
not think i was good, but thought il was
Q. You were here four weeks agol A. No,
| Q. Have you not BEEN in this city this yearl
A, No, SIR. -se
o. Not since the LIST Of January, A. No, sir,
| Q, Was It your brotheri A. No, sir; he has
NOT been here; IhsFe not been here since the
10 What Holmes was Il who was here some
time agoi A. Oh, 1 guess that is New. York
Holmes; he was Interested In some paying here
some time ago; he Is DO relation Of mine.
| q. Have you had any interest," IN paving con
tracts herei A. Not at all.
q. Did you see Governor Shepherd when be
was IN Chicago last veari A. No, sir; never
met him until today; never knew him by
sight. -
Q. DID you ever hear Of Colonel Moorei A.
/ have letter of Introduction to William G..
| Moore; never met him or saw him.
Q. From whoml A. From Governor Shep-
herds brother. I have also q letter to Gov
ernor Shepherd that i have not yet presented,
from his brother in Chicago. ] met him Sun
day and asked him to bring me some letters,
Il
4 By Mr. Hamilton; Q. Did you ever get let
ter from William G.. Moore5 A. No, sir; not
that know Of. Let me make statement
now. understand very readily you want to
ascertain If / had any means of knowing what
Kirkland did with this money.
Mr.. Hamilton. Yes, sir; that is what we
want. -
The Witness. Wen, sir; now say to YOU
frankly and honestly, that while had inter-
view after interview with this man, and was on
very friendly terms with him-he stopped at
my house, and treated him elegantly-and /
have seen him when he has hau glass too
much, and am satisfied that If he would have
told anybody In the world he would have told
| me; yet never received the slightest intimation
where this money went 10, or but what It all
belonged TO him; and judge that either he did
not give 1t u to the parties that he promised,
or else he never made any such promise I do
not believe dollar of It ever went to anybody
else; there may have been some pledge some
where else possibly, but do not believe he ever
gave dollar UP; think he took and "gobbled"
The whole thing.
@. Did you not turn him out span ofhorsesi
! A. sold him span OF horses after Ihad made
! the payment in cash which he paid me. sold
| the horses, carriage, harness, for $4,000.
Q. What did he do with that establishment
| 4. / de not know. Twas hunting them up to-
day. The only experience have had with
for 81 200, and sent his wife out there. HIS
wife plead very hard for me TO cash Il, and
| said they had to have that money to get
through; and she promised me that she would
see that 1t was pIid within week or ten days.
] very foolishly did so, and haven't seen either
| Of them since.
@. Where did he drawi A. From the Airing
ton house, Washington. He wrote me very
pitiful letter that i must pay that-protect II
ard his wife would see herself that it was paid
within aweek. but failed to get my money.
Q. When was that draft drawnl A. think
II must have been about year ago now. II
must have been last spring. l had been on
good terms with Kirkland all this time, be-
cause he had assured me from time to time,
| snow, can get you the money on this paper,
and will; and will see that these men have
fair show with their contract, and that the
thing is carried out" Afterward Mcclellan
told me-a long time after had bought this
paper and had been speaking with him-all
the facts that are spoken Of here. ! knew
that this paper was given for getting this con-
tract. While was running the bank /
couldn't afford to have anything Of this sort
get out-that had bought and had an amount
Of this kind Of paper, such as that was-and /
kept quiet about il, and kept lending him o lit
tie money until got out what put in it, and
the balance was satisfied could not collect
against him, and started in for this contract.
q. Did Kirkland bring that dram personally
to youl A.. No, sir; 1t came through the bank,
and she arrived there the same morning and
came to see me before the bank opened, TO ask
me to pay 1t. told her / could not do II, and
she went away. The DRAFT came In and let II
go back. About one O'Clock she urged and
pressed me so hard that finally sent out to the
other bank and gave my check for Il. have
not seen her since. He was here in Washing
ton and she came out there alone, expressly to
get me to pay that.
Q. When you bought those notes was she
there with himl A. No, sir.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. How did you find out
that she was Mrs. kirtlanda A. Only by her
own Introduction. ~.
By the Chairman: Q. Have you had any
letters from Mr.. Kirtlaadi A. Not in long
time-not since he asked me to pay this draft.
That is the last heard of him. 1 met him, It
may have been last September, possibly, or the
last of August, in New York. &c
O. What excuse did he make for not paying
the draft A. did not say word to him
about 1t. I did not speak to him about it. He
made On engagement to meet me, however, and
did expect 10 talk with him and have q little
understanding with him about it; but he lett
town before ] saw him again to make an ap-
polntment with him.
By Mr.. Wilson: O. Did you know what he
did with his horses and carriagei A. think
NC IOOh LuCul " ASA@FSAS1 sASA4 -
Albany for him.
o. When YOU made this trade with DcGolyer
s. Mcclellan. by virtue OF which you got this
property here in Washington you settled these
hottest A. Yes, SIR.
o. Why did you not deliver up the notes to
DeGolyer & McClelIanl A. Simply because, If
the facts were ever demonstrated-what you
want to get at here-l think shall have some
claim on somebody to help pay these notes. /
would like to find out who got the money my
self. thought they might be OF some service
to me in that way.
Q. Did you give q written agreement to De-
Golyer & MeClellanl A.. Yes, sir.
|, @. Have you that agreement A. Yes, sir.
It is signed by myself as president, and by my
cashier. ~ E-E fs r
The following Is the agreement referred to:
/. Tho Manufacturer National Bank OF chicago
holds 10 Its own right .he pronssory notes OF De-
Golyer & Mcclellan, payable, and Of amounts
| following, TO wit:
! July /, 1si2 nine months el0,0Oo
4 July l, 1872, nine months lo'Vo
| July l, 1872, three months 4.S0o
| July I. 1872 four mGinth5 JOUVo
Each bearing six per cent. interest from date,
December IA, 1871, May 5, lss3-slo Slo.Sa,
Bearing six per cent. interest after maturity
/ December 10, ls72, ninety days to,Voo
\ February II, 1872, sixty days o,O0o
/ Each at ten per cent Interest after maturity, =.
| And the said bank, for full value received OF
| Charles E. jenkins and Robert Mcclellan, mere.
by releases them and the makers OF said notes
I Al frou al NJ