National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-04

EVIDENCE OF EMORY A. sToRRS, TM. q.
MOORE, IRA e. HOLMES ANDeE. B. GRAY
SON. HOLMES, ACCOUNT OFsTHE PUR-
CHASE OF THE DEGoLYER NOTES.
APHIL %, 1sf4-ssVeu O'Clock p. N.
TESTIMONY or EMORY A. sFoRR Q.
Emory A. Stofrs, sworn and examined.
By Gr. Thurman O. You have heard the name
ola Colonel Kirkland spoken Of by Mr.. OhIttsn.
dens A. I have, sir.
'oswhsh did ysussS him lkstf A. have never
seen the man introduced 70 me bythat name. /
have seen man whom think Is Colonel Kirt-
land. The day when saw him last It 70 impos-
able Cor ne 70 state aN l9HTF a-E2 ~
@ States near a. you can. A. L have been
here 90 long, and got % completely confused In
point Of dates, thAEIt would Be very difncuf for
neto sta.s, Ithinkit vas nearly week ago.
@ Whsrs did you see hint A I saw him at
the Eoo4tt House. he came 20 the Eoeitt Asuse
the day Aflsr ! met the chairman OF this commit
tee Ithnk X was the day amer. i cannot say
that Il vAs Colonel Kirkland, becsuse the gentle
man who had last withdrawn from the room, who
has volunteered Q good deal Of advice and sugges-
tsou, and has come TO my room and been there and
ordered his dinners. snd had them charged 70 the
%. who Is THAR A. Mr.. wilcox. He came to
my room aud Es g1ss Who vas ,nssotrcsd
frank with the committee, because, I suppose
that this g . private examination, and never
sIEa 1ss Mr. e NE d fS
hold any communication with him nor to have
very much 70 say with him. He Was there IN my
room This other gentleman was there also
They both ordered their meals at my room, and
they were charged 70 my room, and I suppose
as ordinarily pay nv bills. can tell You
pretty nearly when be Ieft. II was the day be-
told he 'chaifman-spd tod him with entire
truth-that had not seen Mr.. Ktrtlands and
had not at that time. -. -.
meanf A. Yes sir; he came without any privtty,
procurement, knowledge, wish or desire Of mine.
Looked upon n %Ss 2, sHsss a haSS
treated them accordingly; and II had been at
home would have pat them out ofmy mont win
dow; but the business have been here On has been
of such character that did not regard it e safe
q. What time in the tWenty-fO hours was it
about four O'Clock 10 the AFTERNOON when went
into my room. inquired Tor the key at the hotel
ofice, and they said that the key was in my room.
rather found thin Mr.. Hoyie. -r-- -
Q. Was anybody with hint A. There was no
20 me as Mr.. HOyie. suppose it was Colonel
q. who introduced hint A He introduced
himself Let me state that before that tIme--the
day before or the night before. q few hours be-
heve-Mr. Wilcox told me that sir. Slmons Was
here, and desire now 20 state that I had no In
terest on earth, except TO protect my client whom
communicated with Governor shepherd except
room. i have not seen him anywhere else
BY Mr.. Stewart: q. Did you ever have any con-
KIrtisSdf 4. lid. had three or four CONVEX on
eIu6-ho1se.. He told ne that he desired very
him that Thought he was here. that was the
first day that saw him, End three or four hours
after saw the chairman q. this COMMITTEES. and
that he was here, and that they desired him very
much. This other gentleman came 20 my room.
Yes, sir; he took me In . carriage and took me to
his house, Il suppose q is and saw the same
HS S d6 not hIS I've & 10 Of To
mite surprise. las state on my honor and under
oath,l when l came back to the house found him
g. The drst time you saw him, then, was at
Wtcox's: A. Il was at Mr.. Wiicox,s house.
NJ, BY MI. Stewart; g. DID you say to this man |
A. Nothing OF the Kind; I think the committee
understand that Mr.. Chittenden was not very
much interested in not having MIR. Kirkland here. |
Now, call him Col Kirkland, on assumption; 1
presume that he was the man. .-
,on;5S LOW long was me- ne u yUut
u Did anybody come in? A: Mr. Chistenden
came in while he was there. He remained, per- |
and know this, that as to his coming, as TO his
presence there, and as 10 his leaving and abso-
luteiy know this neither Ar chittenden nor my |
self had the slightest part I'M .a-1
Q. Have you not seen him since he was at your |
room? A. No, sir. have not. |
the slightest want to state this further to the
committee and this told the chairman. l un- /
four weeks ago in this city, and understood that |
1t was we'll known that he was here. Both Mr.. |
Chittonden ana myself supposed when we came /
here that Colonel Kfrtiand would be on the /
stand. Ira Hulmes was here-the gentleman in /
whose hands those notes passed-and we both /
haye been ses. an T SeevIIed % s1s
Q. What reason did Mr.. Wilcox give for TAX /
lag you to his house? A. Mr.. Wilcox came TO me /
and sad that Mr.. Siuons was here. knew very
O. You Thought he meant Kfr.Iaud?-A. 1 |
90 and 81 o bat MS Mte
Inony is TO be published. I supposed that he /
meant hirGIand: He took mo there and went
there. Dir. Wilcox come to my room, and was
there hour Afler hour. He was there this morn
q. Did Mr. Wilcox give any reason for the In.
terest that hs took in the natter A. L. 1t hardly
fair to ask me that:
Q. l think it Isl he is not your client. A. He
:, Q. What reason did he gIyef A. cannot say
that he gave q reason. l Inferred Q reason that
sprung from imPecuniosity, and do not think
Q. What did he want money Tor. A. He did no.
state to me that he did want any. He did not say
Q. What reason did he give for asking you TO 90
and see TINS mSn SlpQnsf A. He know very we'll /
that was counsel for OhIttsnden. told him
did not believe that this man Slmons was here at
All. He said that be would convince me Of IL.
went TO his house. saw there q gentleman that
vs. sAblsuou N1S SOiOQel hlFIlalQ, anu i
not have eonVersation with him two minutes
long ..
Q: How long time were you at the housef A.
j : as not there fve minutes. ..
@: What did Colonel Kirkland want, or Slmons?
A. he did not say word He did not say that he
Esnted anything. He appeared to be very
common edVsntursrs about Washington seem 70
be-. He did not say that he wanted anything. I
Trade 10 make; and did not make any and would
not make any; and II could have kept my room
By Mr.. Hamilton; g. When you found him in
your room what did Kirkland Wantf What WAS
The object Of his coming to your room-vhat did
came 70 ny room and said that Simons was here.
He said that II he were examined injury would be
dont. I told him that I did not think AIr. Uhit-
O. You say that this SImons or Kirkland eams
10 your roomF A. No, no, no. He came without
o. When You found him there what did he say
that.
Q, cid you not have ccnyersation with him
o. What was It aboutf A. cannot tell you
Of girls on the opposite side Of the street that he
had been inspecting at Wila-tsi that he opened
conversation About.
toni A. Not at all, except this, In the course
perhaps not that conversation, but can hardly
from him was that he did not wish to Be exam
ined; and simply asked him, 80 far as this In
YesttXation Is concerned, whether anything he |
would say would be in contradiction Of anything
that Mr.. Chittenden had testified TO, and he said
not. Then said TO Mr.. Hoyle-because called
him by that name, and he registered his name
that Way-"Then II what you can testify TO Will
not be in contradiction OF Mr.. Chittender, Chit-
tenden has told the truth In saying that he re-
ceiyed no portion Of the t7oO 900 HIMSELF have no
further use Of you" - ...-
q. Did he say Why lie did not want to be cram
ined3 A. He did not. want 70 state here thai
was very desirouE OF having hut little conversa-
tIen after had discovered that point. Mr.: Chit
tenden told me, on our way from Chicago, that he
had never received 9 dollar himself I had re-
ceiYed retaining fee two days before left. Tor
the purpose Of commencing suit against McClel
O. Did you tell Mr. HIattingly that this man
Kirkland was here? a. told him that thought
he was here. He said he was not here.
O. Did you not afterward tell him he was heref
O. That You had seen hInf A. think saw
him at the club after that, but did not tell him.
BY Mr.. Thurman: Q. But sfter you saw Kirt-
land, did YOU tell Mr.. Mattinglyf A, No, sir;
q. Did you tell anybody that he was thsref A.
do not think did.
q. When you saw him you saw him first at Mr..
Wileoz's house? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you have any conversation with him
about this business them A. did. lhad this
Conversation, and perhsps ought 70 revise what
have sisted here. did ask him whether ne
ever shared any portion OF the tI2.ooo with Mr.