The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1874-03-22

nublic ana the manner in which the ponce look at
these things. In the meantime the TWO pruIai
officers nave been suspended,
NOT EVEN DISMISSED THE FORCE,
as is the case with the murderer Leahy, who is
case OF the nsOent Williams, captain OF tine Eighth
precinct police, VINO so grossly insulted the men,
bers OF the Board Of Edacaon gay or 80 since; IL
VIII en- protected him In acting as ne did. The out
rage was SO great that an ind gnant pubic has
likely TO hear more about Williams than is precisely
pleasant 10 that gen slemaas delicate feelings
VITA the object vi learning how this whole SUBJ
iect was looked at by the occupants OF the white
marble building In Mulberry street, and by what
ingenious sOphistry tie autocrats or the police
force succeeded In eScusng their own con-
due and that Of their men, a HERALD
reporter called upon superintendent Matsell
WIS out In the cOnntry somewhere, no doubt over
burdened by the task OF seeking good reasons iOr
the wonderful actions Of his men lately. Inc re:
porter however, going up stairs, was introduced
to Commissioner Gardner, President Of the Board
of Police, by Mr.. Joseph strauss. private secStary
To Mr.. Oliver Charbck, wno was absent also. In
the room with Mr.. Gardner were several entle-
men among them MIR. Murray, rolice Justice The
purpose OF the reporter was to have private con-
in such loud tone OIL voice during the Interview
which followed mat not only did those present
hear his remai kable arguments, but also crowd
oil people VINO were attracted by the ALL ervadilg
noisy echo OF his stentOrian voice. The converse
ton ran as near as can be gwen, as foows:-
REPORTER-I have Called Mr. Gai dner, in rela-
ton to the late cases OF clubbing by tie police, as
II Is reported that your Board has decided to issue
some new orders relating to the use OF the baton
by the police.
assure you. am not surprised at the use poi &C.
men are making OF their clubs and indeed | am
II anything, surprised that they don't them
more.
REpORTER-But the late cases OF clubbing where
two men went INTO mans house to club him,
you don't justify, do your
GARDNER-rnere is a great zeal OF nonsense
printed about tnat case. The man who was c.ubbet.
so terribly is as well as you or l. and ali that
sense about an examination has been put W 10y
that man Kessler ior some IeasOn Dest known 10
himself. | don't Justify the two policemen, mind.
They have been suspended and Will be dismissed.
But what mean 10 rnat there is a great deal OF
sicky sentlmentalty about the clubbing by police
men. Why, down In the Fourth ward
A POLICEMAN's LIFE
Is not safe unless he carries his club elevated ready
10 strike at Inc first opportunity. This sant
to dem0raiize the police than nylhing else. We
do all We can to get good men. Each Tor ap-
whom is obliged to swear as to the good CHARACTER
OF The applicant tor five years previously The mau
then goes before the Chief Clerk and Is examined.
The papers are then sent to the Captain OF the
precinct where the applicant resides, and inquiries
are instituted among his neighoors as to his gen.
come back to the Board, and, according as We fnd
them, we appoint The loan or reject. Besides all
this he must undergo rigid examination before
the DOCTORS who merely look to Ills physical AGILITY
TO be on the police. Could we do am thing more to
get good men
",
many moral and PHYSICAL saints as these men
must be become such demons after Appointments
GARDNER-What can yoi expect out of force
OF 1000 men. Somebody must turn out bad.
kEPORrER-Bu But, then, do you consider 1t safe to
entrust such pc. pie with reviewers and clubs in
discriminatory some of them are certainly known
as oesperate men. but they are allowed To carry
with them that winch may cause the death OF IN
nocent citizens at any moment.
GARDNER-Ali that sort OF argument Is very good
on paper. but 1t won't Work IN practice You can't
expect policemen to be angels. Now, the Otner
ia, Il citizen brought complaint against police
man. 1t appears he was
WALKING ROUND CORNER
and stepped upon the pohcemans foot. The
wouldn't you, to hit y man IN the nose WHO tr0d
on your lavorlte cOrnP dismissed the case.
The reporter while thinking inwardly that
hitting a man on the nose because he happened to
tread Inadvertently on ones foot was rather hasty
practice, did not stop to argue THIS point ana
went on to speak on the subject matter.
REPORrER-As u general rule, then, you believe
clubbing to be salutary. Mr.. Gardiner
expect much wisdom s rom VaS psseman, and DIV we
won't always stop to argue to question OF law.
There are many brutes among poncemen ana we
BRUrEs ON TIE FORCE.
1t is the man wl1 acts quickly and declstvely that
are being olackguardea We don't want. They
don't make good policemen. AS general rule
you may take 1t Tor granted that tue policeman
vino cluos citizen IS right IN so doing
kEPoRrER-it was mistake In the case Of
Leahy.
defend Leahy; but there Is great deal to be SAID
for him. He considered he was doing his duty,
and Uy gong ito that house and looking Tor that
notorious criminal Dutch Harmon, who was known
to have lived there, he was doing 1t.
REPORTER-l was not aware tnat policemen had
right to 70 into private houses and break IN
peoples doors.
GARDNEn-The end iustnes the means in many
cases.
REpoRTER-In this case the end was murder.
GAKDNER-ies, but that mau opposed their 60.
ing into his room. They had seen some one rush
II CT a nuf nh Harm ,f,vn
was in the room. But the true facts OF the case
Will come out on the trial. ! do not wish to say
nythng before that time.
REPORTER-What 40 you think Of the conduct OF
Captain Williams before the Board OF Education
GAKDNER-Do you suppose our captains have
got time TO keep running about at the beck and
Call OF every board in the city.
REPoRTER-But this Board asked you courteously
to allow Williams to appear before 1t aud give in
formation that would help them in their object.
CAKDNER-I know all about That, and Williams
came to me and told him to go and give the in
REPoRrER-And Williams refused in most in
sultlng manner to do so
GARASER-Why should Captain Williams be
Obliged to give up his nst OF the houses of lliame
In his precinct. 1t belongs to the private archives
OF this department., and IL not at the call OF any
REpoKTER-rhe Board OF Education Is not self
constituted Board, but one equal in Importance to
this. Its members met Tor a specific Oplect,-that
OF clearing out the houses OF ill fame IN the neigh
borhOod VI their schools In such an object Captain
Williams, it would seem, should work hand In hand
with them. But no, ne refused the very paper they
want, and In manner which was grossly in
sulJing.
HASN'T GOT THE AIRS AND GRACEs
OF q woman, but goes straight To the point without
any paavering. lie Vas Was rough, perhaps, but
can't blame him for It, told nim not to give his
list up.
kEPoRrER-Then he might as well have stayed
away; Tor he knew that IL was only his list the
OF insulting the commissioners was hardly worth
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