New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1874-12-31

no was advised to mako my acquaintance 10 see II .
could be OF any service him In the matter that h
came charged with.
O. What was the object Of his visit TO youf A. pre
sumo 1t was to SEQ could render him any assistance
In the matter of legislation In which he was Interested
O. What proposition did lie mako to youf A. He made
no proposition.
O. What did he sayf A. Hc said they vero anxious
to get subsidy, aud that be thought they ought v
have Il.
@ What elsei A. cannot remember anything else,
except the general idea OF tho conversation.
@ He d not say any thing about desiring your
services In getting the subsidy A Yes, he said he
wanted to help what could TO which REPLIED,
have already stated, that would do anything could
In that direction.
He dd not 90 into any details at ALL
O. he dad not tell you any thing about any compensa
@ lie did not ask any advice OF youi A. No, Sir
Mr.. Irwin Is who asks advice Of nobody. Lie Is q
O. How long was your interview with himt A.
Really could say. may have talked with him
hair dozen different OCCASIONS during the Dcndenoy OF
the bill He would sometimes call at my Office and ask
how things looked. and what thought Of tho pro$
poets OF tho bill. -
@ How often do you suppose you bad interviews with
hma A. cannot say; he NAV nave called there baii
dozen times, aud 10 may have been less ana " may hs'
been more II IS something dId not charge my mnd
with.
O. Did You hear any rumOrs during the peniency Of
that Dill Ol money beng used here by tue Scamtulp
Company A. Yes, sir; have no doubt rumors we're
reported among OIL the
abuu; this CdpiiOl.
@ Whom do you mean by the patriotic corps Z A.
have no vis,So Ll.aDs Of support Capitol, bus
who are frequently here aud apparently deepy Gu
O. We're any OF these gentlemen apparently looking
after the Pacific Mail Steamship COMPANY a. cou'd
not tell you heard them talking ABOUT tna' III con-
O. bid you ever talk with any Of these people on tho
subject OF that subsidy yUurSe Very likely, IN geB'
erii way. can't say that did OF that dld noe THo
office OF the House PO,tOrc Is public one, where US"
Pic are conin- III and gong OF anu eenor"V taK
with people VINO come IA thrr. 80,
Q. Dui you ever rumOrs OF any officer OF The
HOdsC who was Interested ~ that ehOsuJ' a MOI
until heard u lately through the press.
O. You YER he any oihce OF the House being
Interested IN that subsidy l"ior"l A. Sr except ~
this general talk TO which have referred
q. Outside OF this single man. Richard b. lrwin. 90
you know friend the Company had Dcrei a. ohV Oy
general rumOr. -,-,
q. Are you aware that It was commonly remarked
du ing that that you were acag In tue interest OF
tue Company A. was not aware VI any Such rnnof
until WITHIN day or tw0 , ,
that you were the hired agent of that scheme' a. No.
Sir; was not.
ruln0I ed aud Relieved about House that hOth y0d
and Mr.. Stevens the floor OF the House. were 10 TUG
service Ot that Company for mOn"yf A no. sT' !
don't know what ST syous yOa refer to:
@ 1 refer TO the Librarian Of the Floor L brary A.
NJ SIR; have knowledge whatever GA that sn JNci.
O. Did you during that time or at any tlhe' III c"h
netuOn with the schrme, attempt TO exercise any
iinlrnce IN behalf OF the enactment OF thaL LAW
A. talked with some members ABOUT II IN gcuera!
way.
q, For it or against iti A. For It..
q. Always for III A. Always for It,
O. with whom did you taxi A. cannot recoioHt:
tIct Cen John T. AverIll; think renomDcr taking
WIN both tue representatives Tor Munesot1. 49,.
G. Can you say that you talHcd WIZ other than thcso
two mcn A can't say; If did IL was lii the way OF
ordinary conversation. - , -
Q. Can YOU state whether you talked with Mr. Dawes
or nOtl A. 1 can't state vine her did Or not.
O. When DID you begin 10 idv1rU How carry IN ne
s"s-ioni A. can't say; presume as early 10 IL wa
Q. Did You ever have any correspontcncc with Dir.
St0ckwell on the subject A Not syli1oie. $500
@. Did Mr. Irwin use any money Lcre " secure that
SUBSIDY A. Not TO my knowledge.
Q. Did anybody elSe use anyf A. MOI 70 my
q DID you ever hear ANYBODY CHARGED With using
any a. Yes Sir; as have SAID, neird tue charge
made on the floor by members.
O. Never oil the moor Z A. No, Sir
O. Do YOU know anything about any Gums usedt A..
40 not know OF the expenditure Of one dollar.
o. will then ask you the direct question, whether
sschemef A. Not one dollar. directly or Indirectly.
Q. Did you ever expend any money Tor ANYBODY
YOURSELF A. Not one dollar, directly or Indirectly
o. Where dId you keep your bank ACCOUNT A. sm
sorry to say have no bank account.
O. You keep none ever A. NO Sir.
g. Do you know OF any employs of the House using
any money IL the Interest Ut tho Company A. ~
By Mr. Burchard-Q Did you ever see a list of tho
members OF the Louise whO cOdl DO reIsd upon 10 vote
for the measure . a. l never did.
O. You say you had half u dozen conversations with
afterwards A. DO rccOllect that ever saw hr.
IRWIN after the measure passed untu met him III BAH
O. You say he applied .you to assist hint A. Yes,
Sir; he asked could do ANYTHING To al l IN tLr
passage Of the measure. and said he would DO glad
could; that IS not very uncommon thing. am asked
the same thing very often.
O. Was any OFF, TO pay you for your services
A. No. Sir. I was known 10 be- frs ndiN to ths thing
from the first was very anxious u see the subsidy
granted. and there was 10 necessity 10 paw NC IOr NY
O. DO you know, or have you any reason TO believe,
ths anv money PAID, directly indirectly, by the
PLciiiU Mail steamship Company. or by any agent OF
that Company to any memOer OF either House OF Con.
hnsn mil a niFgngl r 10
that any memOer Or the House or any member OF the
Senate ever received from the Pacific Mail Steamship
Company or any agent or that Company, or any person
authorized unauthorized to represent tEat Company
one dollar. - !, ,,,.
that money Vas pdd, directly or Indirectly, TIE Pa
ctc Mail Sic nshp Company, or Nv any agent oil tua,
A. have no such knowledge. aud nave 10 Reason u
Oceve it, save the tact House Ordcied ths
O. Do you belcv, itG A. do not.
q You say, then, with tie responsibility that attachrs
10 your "e>ent position, that you 90 not DteVo that
any money passed IN Lc Company or any 0fs agents.
directly indirectly. 10 any lnubUr VI eicr uou'r VI
CUnSrrssi a. do say tiat Lave no reason 10 ocrfe
tat any such transaction occurred. and DO not becvs
It; bci!cvo this Congress Is made up OF cut
tbITat5 and ROBBERS. - -
O. Dhi you ste ut any time about April or May last. In
arOund the Capitol iargc7Szed bills IN tue pose sSlou
Ut any pCrsOu-Os OF the denomination vi sOOJ, lOt
lnstaGcoi A. cid not, unless may have seen sOne III
the ScrGeant-aL-Arns'S room.
COMMODORE GAGEISON'S EXPERIENCE IN TIE SUB
sIDY BUSINESS.
Commodore Garrison, III testimony given before the
Ways and Means Committee Oh Fob 3D. lS3 said That ne
came to Washington the Spring previous to secure
subsidy for the Brazilian line OF steamers. He mot
many persons u Washington who assured him that bis
bill could not pss unless he paid money for It, and'
although he felt 1t in the air here aud supposed from
what ho heard that tue Pacific Mail Company
was Using money in large sums, he absolutely
refused to pay anything. About an hour
or two before the vote on his scheme wac
reached Nathaniel Mckay, who was bis personal freud
and who on that account was deslrOns that his bill
should pass ha that be ought to secure the vote
OF the Southern members and offered TO Introduce hn
To eprrSentatlye from that region, He then met In