National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-20

concerned. There WAS no hostility: On tbe
contrary, fiendship. -
Q Were you present when Mr.. Chitteuden
said this morning that -ths only in6uenes he
knew Of Kirkland using was the influence Of
Mr.. Pagel A. Well this matter Of which I
spoke Il about all the influence he ever had,
ana think about the last he viii have.
Z O. Do you know the reason why they wantA1
10 keep you still A. Yes, SIR; I think %.
/. @. Can you state Il . little more dshnitelyf
A. can here; BY the way, not ON my own re-
sponsibility. came here looking amer the
establishments Of the business In which was
engaged; and communicated 70 DeGolyer Il
Mcclellan, and finally NJ. Chittenden came on.
q, You were here first negotiattngl A. Yes,
sir; long time before he Was. They had bean
talking this thing up. The Board Of Public
works. ey the way, had Advertised for parties
ents TO come forward before them and EXHIBIT
them, before Mr.. Chfttenden came here.
ho yor get Of his object in keeping you
stilii a. MI. Chittenden was rather reficent
Is 70 his exact object, but he told me that he
nso seen nr. Huntington, and asked me f.
and told him whsti thought Of hin. and Be-
told me that he had already made eos9nns ,eo,S
tiations with Mr.. Huntington, ana ratSer
ndiculed the idea Of his considering that thak
was the ultimatum Of what man ought to %
In business Transaction. Now, In Z single
word, I see all you want to get at Mr. Chittsn-
denis idea was this. That Washere in myowu
right, and in my own way, doing my own bus
mess. And be came here, having subsequently
made IN arrangement with DeGolyer b Nc
Clellan 70 obtain an interest Is he had stated.
I presume he made e. He came here; and
finding Mr.. Chittenden did all he could to keep
me from saying or doing anything in conneG-
ton with It; because he could, through Mr.,
Huntington, do better for me than could do,
which wen knew meant Chittenden and Chit
tenden's interest In the affair. He meant that
| If the contract was awarded be would get his
percentage, and II was conspicuous In the
matter 1t would detract from Mr.. Chittsnden
and his interest and popularity, II you please.
Q. How was Il AFTER the death Of Mr.. Hun
tingtonI A. He came to me after that, In
fact, went to his room, and the morning be-
fore he was up-the morning Mr.. Huntington
died-and We had q talk on the subject, and he
then said that we should have to take some
other steps-to get some other parties to rep
resent our interests and to carry out the
arrangement that was already on foot. ~
| Q. What did you say about thati I said
that that was all very well. OF course I was
because DeGolyer q Mcclellan seemed to
think Chittenden was the better man Of the two;
perhaps he was; am not saying he was not.
After two or three days met him every day,
perhaps several times day, and this thing
was spoken Of from time TO time, and then he
told me, asI have already stated. that he had
obi aimed the party.
Q. Did he tell you who he had obtained A.
No, sir, that was one Of ar. Chittenhen's strong
points, never 20 name anything that was def
mite. He studiously avoided and purpossly
avoided telling me that. He stated 70 me that
he had many warm friends and powerful m
| fuence, and the thing was very smooth, and
| all 1t wanted was TO De let severely alone, and
he hoy ed / would not interfere; and above
| everything else should not say snythingto
Governor Cooke. told him had seen Gov.
ernor Cooke, and he was very particular TO
know what had said. told him about all I
had said-that was simply . matter Of bust
| been said to him; that tho thing was so very
smooth that he would like 70 have y let alone.
These were the arguments he used.
@. II was afraid you might hurt the plant
A. He was afraid might interfere with his
plans.
would injure I'll A. No, sir; he was very
anxious should recommend It. I went before
the. board twice, certainly, and do not know
but three times, and exhibited the Evidences
and specimens, and made the argument twice.
certainly.
By the Chairman: Q. How did you come to
go to Mr.. Chittsnden before breakfast on the
occasion of the death Of Mr. Huntingtonl A.
heard Mr.. Huntingto. was dead early In the
morning, and knowing that Mr.. Chittenden's
main reliance was on Mr.. Huntington, started
for the Arlington. was stopping at the Inn
perial think. went TO the Arlington, and
went to Mr. Chittenden's room before he was
up. VIII state here that he had been to New
York day or two, and I think he arrived the
night before. I told him Mr.. Huntington was
dead. He said, "No, Il cannot be; was there
at twelve o'clock last night, and they had
| counsel of physicians, and he was great deal
better" He said, "There was some mistake
IA l..
Huntington Is dead. He got himself up and
came down stairs, and sure enough he was
finally made to believe that he was dead.
@. And you say that then Il was concluded
that you must get somebody else to carry out
the arrangement; Mr.. Chittenden said that
| A. Yes, sir. 80 az (ISr-
| Q. What arrangement was that, to carry
Yes, sir. & o.
/ @. What arrangement was thati A. The ar
| rangement in relation to securing Of q con-
tract. Mr.. Chittepden, as you viii understand,
had told me dozen tirnes or more that Mr..
| Huntington's influence and situation were Of q
| which idea ! ridiculed. told him 1t was alb
j surd. did this when he first talked with me
Of endesyoring to prevent his placing too much
| confidence in Mr.. Hunington's ability to carry
out any such arrangement, or being able to-.
| Q. Why did you say thatl A. I have no OBJ
lection to tell you, although It does not spply
/ to this particular case. =,
o. Why did you believe Mr.. Huntington had
no influence with the boardf A. did not say
he had no influence with the board. I mean to
say that he had not the influence that Mr..
Chittenden assumed he had. did suppose he
had some influence with every gentleman he
met, for Mr. Huntington was very able and
shrewd man.
The Chairman. do not care to press that
\ question.
A. would rather you would not II d not
matter pertaining TO this matter at all. {
| Q. When did you hrst know Mr.. Kirtlandi
A. Ash stated while this negotiation was pepd-
ing he dropped in sight here. IsaR him On the
street. i saw him for some weeks Without
knowing who he was. One day I met hip In
o. Did You know that Mr.. Kirkland had any
connection whatever with Mr.. Chittendehi A.
I knew that he was In conversation with Mr..
Chittenden. did not know that Mr. Glitch
den placed any reliance whatever upon him..
Q. Did you know at the time that Mr.. Kirt-
land was using any influence or operating in
any way to secure ! contract for Mr. ChfttsnA
dent A. No, sir; did not know It thsn, and
do not believe It now. did not believe lie did
| use any influence. do not believe he had any.
Q. Do you know Mr.. Brownl A. Yes, sir;
know Mr.. Brown. met him frequently.
! Q. Did you know Mr.. Brown was operating
In this wayi A. No, sir.
Q. Did you not go with Mr.. Brown and Mr..
Parsons to the ropms Of the boaSd1 A. No, sir,
| Q. You were not present at this argurnentf
A. No, SIR.
Q. Did you not 60 on the 10th Of Februaryi
A. Yes, SIR; was there, and made an argu-
ment before the board.
Q. Mr.. Brown was not with you thenl A.
No, sir.
| 0. Did you know Mr. Brown was employed
by Mr.. Chittendenl A. No, SIR; Mr.. Brown
avoided every reference to anything Of the kind.
I viii say he avoided Il; I mean to say he did
not communicate anything.
Q. You were In constant Communication with
Mr.. Chittsnden on this subject A. Yes, SIR:
Q. You were interested as the patenfee, or
owner Of the patent process, In securing this
contract A. Yes, sir. -
Q. And you had frequent talks with Mr..
Chittenden on the subjscti A. Very frequently.
| Q. Did he ever tell you'll A.. he told nae he
thought they were getting along very Gne, and
that he was assured. am now speaking up
to the time Of NJ. Huntington's death. 4m
speaking Of the time that elabsed sfter the
death Of Mr.. Huntington, subsequent to that
time. He assured me every time the question
was up that he had secured the proper arrange
ments for carrying out substantially what bad
been secured with Mr.. Huntington. he stated