National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-04

! tee we're striving TO get Mr.. KIrtiandf A. Iwar
= not swafs OF that fact; but might infer H
- Do YOU not knoH, now, not By absolutely
the committees very much desired to get Mr. KIrE
land heref A, I had no doubt Of that At ali.
II q And you knew the Governor wanted TT A.
II Q. Has the Governor been I'm the store since
i yoa saw Mr.. Kirtlaudf A. Yes SIR.
somstimss see hirs daily for two or three days.
snd sometimes VIII not SEQ him for two % three
q. How long sfter you saw Mr.. Kirkland wasIt
until you saw the Governor A. do not know.
q. Have you not seen him frequently SINGER A.
NOT frequently; but several times.
kirtnndf A. did NOT psscefve any necessity
LOT telling him so. TnE
have him here. 4. Yea sir. ''1 - =
70, W ~ did JON NOT tall he Goyernorz A.
kkirtland had desired me 70 say nothing q al Of
| 9. And for that reason sloss, and notsiEh-
ssanding Jon knsw the Governor vas 90 dssirogs
% 4 dS S1 10 iapsss a.
b u. Bass: Q. You knew when M. oais,.n-
knew q the time tkss ohitssnds1 s res de- SsSd
~ the store, did your A. Informattou va rfvea
me me - me stores yes, sir; think Kirkland told
Q. Ho. long was q sftsr tina. before Kir.Isnd
sse = ~ ,.ofs I'm snsse notes and enlisted
wss vary short time aftsrvard, 1 tank ! - -
Q. And he informed you, did he, that thsy had
@. And that they had come from Ohiea~o, IN.
notes were made By DsGolysr . McClsIlanY a.
q. So that you knew how u vas that Kirtls.uda
had posssssion Of the notssf A. Yes, air; ear
O. You knew that they had come to him q.
compensation Tor services that he had rendered u
getting this contfses7 A. Yes, SIR exactly.
G. DID you also talk with him then IN regard 70
never know that Brown was % receive Gems
until the fact was developed In the testimony.
9h q
tanned %. 900 Of his money! A. No, sir.
g. Nov, this tI29oo notes, I'D you see Ell tho
they were pointed out; but do not know that that
Q; And you declined to take half the hottest
Q. Then you say he suggested that he would
convert the notes tnto money! A. Yes, SIR.
note into 10000 Of money and came back A.
Q. Then hs offered you part of that sioeoO, A.
o. Was anything said at that time with refer
ence to the balance Of the notesf What did he
think much was said about them. He merely
said thsf no had failed 70 obtain the proceeds,
cIaon that ihsre was not mach pr g n SOee
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O. why sof A. As be Soand is difieult to me-
: @. What did he say shout thatf A. That was
all he said that he had found IL dincult 10 neoo-
tiats the notes, and that he had got payment or
q. What did you say further to him, what
was the conversation about the negotiation Of :hs
with him that he would never get the money. =
q. DID hsat the time, or we're JON also advised,
at ne tine tnis eSnSrast vas psng procured, %
Colonel Parsons TO do some work also before he
board9 A Not a. all, sir. z
I q. This $4,000 Of notes had besn exhfbftsd 70
YOU 81 shepherds store, rs being the price which
eruor Shepherdi Yoa knew that the award had
been delivered at Governor Shepherds storsf A.
O. You knew it came through Governor shep-
herd Did you tell Governor shePherd that you
had seen this $4,000 Of notesf A. No, sir.
not thi NIX Il was necessary 10 tell him, sir. r
q. You were his ecpsrtnsr in businessf A.
q. Had little interest In bis honor A Yes,
q. And hts integrity, A. HAD, sir, and sim
q. You kept that sscretf A. Yes, sir.
q. Did you keep u secret from good OF bad mo-
tiyesf What was your motive IN keeping II Sc
template any share, IA the proceeds OF that paper
wish you would tell the committee why L was
herd the fact that . contract had been sold for
$4,000. A. There was no studiouS secretion about
4. never mentioned the matter to Governor,
shepherd, and never thought It necessary TO men
B BY :. Mr.. Thurman: O. Did is not strike you as
that kind Deaoiysr 6Isilan c1uia AFFORD 70 give
q. You were . cittss1 o. tho district, a. Yes.
q. And your relations with Governor Shepherd.
who was vice president OF the Board Of Public
Works, were very intimate, Of eoarssf A. Yes,
q. Although Governor Cooke was the Governor
Of the District yet the settve man and the MAJ OF
herd, was he NOTE A. Well, without rejecting on
hIs colleagues should say yes. -
be pretty well 70 put the leading man OF the
Board Of Public Works on his guard In letting
contracts at such prices IS they werc letting them
large per cent for the mere procuring Of the con-
traetf A. It did not, sir.
Did y ever &c see s5 to ySu th is would Be
work done at . low price, than n they had 70 pay
been to the credit Of the board 70 have obtained
the work st-the lowest possible price.
O. Knowing that IL would renect credtt on the
suggest to Governor Sheppard that the price that
the board was liking for this kind OF work was too
we'll informed as TO the proceedings Of the board1
they fxed certain rate for that species OF pave
msnt, and all the contracts for that species or
o. Yes, but this DeGoIyer { Mcclellan pave.
ment was the only DeGOlyer & Mcclellan pave
was called the treated wood pavement.
g They did not put all wooden PaveEent ae
precisely The same PsiSe1 Il; a, LnSy may or may
Q. II they did put all Hoodec pavement at the
same price. ami this De GOlyer & Mcclellan
s sSnr s nss Ss5 sqass ss s9S n'
I Q. Making 800 0oof A Yes, sir,
nov, that being me case ga y never sce1S
amount for the procuring Of the contract, that
RoTs ~ les: than $50 square yard, i
struck me as very large bonus for the contract
Q. Yes, but it never occurred TO you that It
his guard A. No, sir.
Q. That never Occurred to you at all. A. No,
o. You say that you came TO the eoneIusioathat
these notes would not be worth much. A. It
struck me, "a hare said, that giving notes quito
so freely As that hardly indicated al ability to
o.. Did you make any inquiry whether DeioI-
yer Es no IS s5s S mss tS Sa SU
ment Of $4,000 in notes, did IL ever occur to you
that possibly they would not be able to execute .
contract foe 400 900 worth OF work. A. i do not
think they did execute the contract.
Q. Did that occur to you! A. I do not know
'I %. You iid not say anything to Governor Shop
herd thai you thought they were douotfulf A.
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8. How was Il that you expected that these
notes would be negotiated in OhlcaXof DeG0lyer
4 Mcclellan were Chicago men. Did you expect
they could be negotiated here1 A. Ths ehorrWas
not made to negotiate thom here, 50 Tar as know.
o. Did you understand that Mr.. Kirkland had
been to Chicago and had tried to negotiate them
theref A. Yes, sir: from what he informed me.
He said he hsd gone to New York, think, and
also to chicago.
q. And could not do itf A. He could not.
q. Did he never tell you that he had actually
negotiated them at Chlcagof A. No, sir; only to
this extent He received the payment Of one note,
as have already stated, and then he told ms
that he had taken these other notes there and In
vested them in real estate.
r o. Al Chicagof A. Yes, sir.
o. Did be not tell you tken that at that time
DeGolyer Mcclellan we're responsible menf A..
think not. SIR.
o. Did Chittsndsn tell you sOs A. Not that I
o. Are you nos awars that ChIttendsn has testE-
deI that At that time DeQolyer q Mcclellan
wore responsible menl A. ] did not read his tes-
timony with great deal u care, and do not
know whsther I saw that Ia the part Of the teSti-
mony that ] have read. .-. .---5~-.-
O. You say you do not know anything about
Mr.. Huntingdon A. No, Sir.
O. Was Mr.. Huntington active In getting con-
traetsS A. do not know, indeed, sir. I did
hear his name mentioned perhaps once, aud only
once, in connection with this matter.
@. What kind OF q Contract WAS thatf A. That
was simply In regard to this same contractI
might have heard his name mentioned.