Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1874-08-15
EVENING STAR.
THE BROOKLYN INQUIRY.
O
ICOntinued from first PASe.l

tlt0n into this fight.
Q. Was that before after the publication
OF the Bacon letter? A. 1 can't be certain
about that; IL was about that time.
Q. Did Moulteu ever question you In regard
to this matter, whether you had ever spoken on
that subject to any one, or expressed any anx-
iety about IL? A. He did, not many weeks ago,
among the last interviews b ad with him.
q. Since the publication of that Bacon letter?
A. Yes; think 1t was on the Sabbath day after
the appointment of this committee. Ipreached
but once on that day, and on the afternoon of
that day be saw me and said to me in converse
ton, "You have never mentioned about the
s5,oc09" l said, "Yes, had, too, to one or two
persons. mentioned il to Oliver johnson, for
one. because he was saying something TO me one
day about what some of Tilton's friends were
saying, and L incidentally mentioned that to
body" Mouiton said, II viii never admit dat:
shall deny IT always"
O. Have you any objection to state what TIL
tons friends were saying to Oliver johnson and
others? What did Oliver johnson say to you ?
A. On one occasion he reported 10 me that
| among the friends OF Tilton he had heard
reproaches made against me that never was
endeavoring to help Theodore i'm reputation or
| in any other way, and that expression was this
That had been the instrument of his being
| thrown off the track in life, and that would
not reinstate him. Ireplied in substance, that,
So far as reputation was concerned. L not only
loDged and tried to do what / could for Tilton,
but that his association with Woodruff was
fatal to him, and L could not make any head
against 1t; and with regard to the other said
| TO him that had been willing to help him ma
terialy, and that recently paid So 600 to him.
| q. Did you see and have a conversation with
11iton soon after the payment ef So 900. A. On
| the Sunday morning following the payment of
| the $500, as L was going to church in the
| morning. / met Tilton standing right opposite
| the house. He put his arm through mine, and
was in the most beatitc mood. While walking
| along down to church he was talking all the
way of grace. mercy and peace to me, and at
that time recollect thinking that as 600 is very
BY Mr. Clafin Did you at any time receive
| a note which the committee have in evidence,
as follows "H. W. B.-Grace, mercy and
peace. T.-Sunday morning" A. Yes; he
| sent it on Sunday morning by his wife, who had
By Mr.. Cleveland If your mortgage was
| dated about May 1, 1873, the money, of course,
| was paid to MOulton after your mortgage was
| made? A. Yes, sir; did not keep the money
an hour. L went with it directly from the
Mechanics bank, where drew it, and put ii
| into Moulton's hands on the same day and within
| a few hours.
Q. AT his house? A. do not know.
Q. Did you have trouble with Tilton during
the latter part of that mOnth-before the first Of
| june, 1873? A. do not know the months in which
have not had trouble with him, but he made
| a special outburst at the end of the month OF
| May, 1873, on account of the publication of the
| tripartite agreement, which led to my letter to
| CARPssTRR's MEppL1Ns.
Q. Here is a letter dated May 1. 1874 in which
| Tiiton refers to some story of Carpenter about
| A. did, sir. 1t was q magnificent humbug. L
| knew that Tilton knew that he had been tink-
| ling my gold in his pockets for months and
years, and he wrote that letter to be published
Q. What did you understand by Carpenters
| relations to money matters? A. My first knowl-
edge of Carpenter was that he was putting his
| nose into this business which did not concern
| him. That was also Moulton's impression. /
| asked MOulton one dsr "what under the sun lie
Carpenter doing around here. and meddling
| with this natter" He sumtnarily damned him,
and represented him as q good-natured and
vel, meaning busy body. suggested. "why
| was not wanted?" He said: "Well he serves us
some useful purposes" When we hear of things
going on in the clubs or any place in New York
| we put Carpenter on the track, and he fetches
all the rumors, and SO we use him to find out
| what we could not do otherwise, aud did find
that he not only did that, but that Carpenter
| was one OF those good-natured men whose
philanthropy exhibited itself in trying to settle
| quarrels and difficulties by picking up every
| thing he could hear said by, for or against a
man, and carrying ii to parties where il would
do the most harm possible. He was a kind,
genial good natuTed fool, and in all this matter
he has been tool more than helper. He has
| never once done anything, except in the
| kindest way, and never once done anything
| in the whole of this matter, from begin
ing to end, that was not stupid blunier.
| | made up my mind from the beginning that as
| was silent to everybody in this matter 1 would
be especially silent to him (Carpenter). l
| recollect but one interview with him that had
any particular significance. He came to see me
| once when our council was in session and our
| document was published. There was q phrase
| introduced into it that Tilton thought pointed
/ to him, and TiltOn that nj ght was In a bonfire
| flame, and walked up aud down the street with
| Moulton. i was in at FFeeland's, and in came
| Carpenter, with his dark and mysterious eyes,
| tie sat down on the sofa, and, in a kind of Sc
1 Pulcbral whisper, told me OF some matters.
| Says i, 'That is all nonsense; that it meant
| and =" and Carpenter was rejoiced to hear
| it, aid then went out. On another occasion he
| came to me, and in great glow of benevolence
| said there was to be a newspaper established in
New York, and that was TO take the editorship
n Qvlh half llann fn1 AL
| by tap of drum. i was greatly amused, but
| said TO him gravely: "Well, Carpenter, il 1
should ever leave the pulpit 1 think ii very
| likely should 60 into Journalism. 1t would be
| more natural to me than anything else" That
| was the amount of that conversation. One other
| conversation have some recollection Of, in
April, and that was when MoultOn had plan
on foot TO buy the Golden Age OF Tilton and send
| him to Europe, and Carpenter came in and
| talked with me about it. 1 recollect very dis
tinctly that conversation. My eyes were begin
| ming to be enlightened. My education was
| beginning 10 tell on me some little, and said
to Carpenter distinctly: Carpenter, that is a
| cont know but that if Tilton wishes to 90 to
| Europe with his family and live there for some
| time that his friends would be willing to raise
that amount of money; but that is a matter you
| with me-"
| Q. Did you say that il Tilton printed his
documents you would never ascend the pulpit
| again? A. L never said that. / should never
talk about the thing with such weak men as he
| Q. Who introduced the subject of going to
| Europe when Carpenter came to see you? A.
| lie did.
OUTWARD JoY-INwARD SORROW.
Q. In the statement which you have made
| and the letters you have published, you express
/ great agitation, sorrow and suffering even to
| anguish; how do you reconcile that with the
tone of your public minIstra tions, and with the
| declarations of peace aud trust which have
fallen from you from time to time in the lecture
room? A. explain it precisely in the same
| way do the words Of Paul, who said that he
died deaths daily, and he was the offscouring of
| the church. having the care of all the churches,
| and yet with all this burden on his mind he
described himself as living in the most tran
scendent religious peace and JOY that stands on
| record in human literature. "Godly sorrow
| worketh joy" The nrst effect of these troubles
| to me was most anguishing and depressing, and
| oftentimee lay in them even as q ship hesves
| on the sea in times of q calm, when she can
make no progress, and vet cannot lie still. But
| after little came reaction, and by the power
| OF the Holy Ghost my mind was lifted
above these things, and / said to myself,
at is my business as man and minister