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GRANGE nEma


Oranges are increasing in Ohio
at the rate of 100 per month.
Only FIVE counties in Missouri
are now without Oranges.
a Grange packet is now plying
on the Mississippi, between Gale
ma and st. Louis.
The Order is lively in Kentucky.
One county without Grange in
February now reports twelve.
In Nebraska there are over
FIVE hundred Grangers, with a
membership of over $4,000.
A State mandatory of agri-
cultural implements in Indiana, is
talked of by the Patrons there.
A Grange Mill at Janesville.
Wisconsin, haa Just received an
order for a carload of -four from a
Grange in Kentucky.
The Order is prospecting won.
derfulIy in Texas. 1t is expected
that fully 1000 Oranges will bt
represented in the State Grang,
which meets this month.
The following rulings have beer
made by the Worthy Master 0
California:
A married woman derives he
eligibility to become a member o
a GraD6e from the eligibility o
Grhusband, and if he is not eli
gible the wife should not be.
1t is not safe to admit married
women to a Grange whose hus
bands are opposed to our Order
or who, being eligible, have nc
disposition to join it.
Unless the bylaws of a subor-
dinate Grange fix a time which
must elapse before, new request
can be made fora rejected candi.
date, there is nothing in the Ma
tional Constitution to prohibit the
application being renewed at any
subsequent meeting.
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TgmoF Of la Years, Growth

BEVEEIY MAss., July 10, 1859.
Dr R.nFlr ~ have bad oyaFias TunOr IL hSevlfss and
boNal al the Doetou sad " there VA no help fori d
every Al. A.i N, rseenmendsd bgt noshng bepsd
klolyent and thought would ~ Il But had no h
n h beauio had Eusrsd oT twelve years took botaa
q the Rssoxsnt and box Of RadWAys Ps
ties Of your Ready Relief; and Tiers sign
ssen o. it and Eel better smarter and happier than hays
Tor twelve yeal The tunoF len side q he
bewsl tbs gph. write this 70 you F ihs hsnsft
othsrL Yea ean Puhliah h n you chooss
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lnhstaoIes to nra,.,.,an..

HAPPY RELIEF FOR YOUNG MEN
Id from the Effects Of Errors and Abuses
In early lie. Manhood Restored. Impede
ments to Marriage removed. New method
of treatment. New and remarkable
remedies. Books and Circulars sent free
IN sealed envelopes. Address, HOWARD
ASSOCIATION, No. South Ninth Street,
Philadelphia, Pa-,-an Institution having
a high reputation 0B-for honorable conduct
and professional skill. So
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MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS.

Fly-6shing for shad is becoming
a favorite sport with Eastern an
gers.
According to the latest state
ment Of the British Registrar Gen:
eral, London has population of
3,254,26O.
The druggists in Cincinnati are
trying to profit by the temperance
crusade by advancing the price of
soda water.
Lincoln's monument at Spring
field, Illinois, will be dedicated
next October. President Grant
viii be asked d to deliver the ora
ton.
Ashantee gold, which has just
beenAnalYzed in England, is found
to contain about 10 per cent. of
alloy, mainly silver. 1t has a Pc
culiar color, partly due to red
oxide of iron.
The vastness of the lace indus
try of Belgium may be judged
from the fact that around Brus-
sells, Malines, iAnvers, Bruges,
Menin Ypers, and Grammont 100,-
,women, young girls and boys
~aged in its fabrication.
y nal of Chemistry thinks
jotato is deteriorating,
d person should be de-
~ Government to- go to
America and select speci-
IS from the healthiest wild
potato vines, bring them by culti-
vation to a proper degree of per-
fection- in their native soil, and
then import themNtS this country,
so that American Agriculturists
may obtain seedlings of original
health and vigor of constitution.
A Mrs, Oliver, of Dubuque, a
few days ago gave birth to a
'humming bird " of baby, girl,
weight only one and a half pounds.
Yet it is vigorous and takes its
proper food with as much evident
relish as young infants usually do.
Itisbntia seven inches long, and a
finger ring worn by one of the vis-
itors, who called to pay their re-
spects to the little stranger, pass
ed over its hand, and would answer
for a bracelet.
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,is truly rich who desires
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$1,OOO REWARD
~ FOR AN
IN CUR LE CA Sc!

" DIR. LIE RICHAU'S
n @ OIL ID H N BAL = A NJ!
After ten years. trial on this coast has
proven itself the only curative in a certain
class Of diseases pronounced by medical
practitioners IS incuable.
DR. LIE RICHAU'S GOLDEN BALSAM
No. cures Cancers, 1rstaHd' second stages;
Sores on the Legs or Body; Sore Ears, Eyes,
Nose, ETC.; Copper eolored Blotches, Syphl-
litic Catarrh, Diseased Scalp. and all prima-
~ forms of the disease known as Syphilis
Price, IS per bottle, or two for 80.
DIR. LIE RICHAU'S GOLDEN BALSAM,
No. 2, cures Tertiary, Mercurial, Syphilitic
Rhelmatisul, Pains in the Bones, Back of
! the Neck, liberated Sore Throat, SyphiIitic
Rash, Lumps and Contracted Cords, stifE
ness of the Limbs, and Graduates all dis
eases from the system, whether caused by
lndiscretion or abuse OF mercury leaving
the blood pnres and healthy. Price S per
DIR. LIE RICHAU'S GOLDEN SPANISH
ANTIDOTE,, for the cure of Gonnorhea.
elect, Irritation, Gravel, and all Urinary or
Genital disarrangements. Price "a so per
DIR. LIE RICHAU's GOLDEN SPANISH
INJECTION, q wash and injection for Sc
we're cases Of Gonnorhea, lnfiammatory
elect, Structures, and all diseases of the
Kidney and Bladder. Price 81 90 per bottle.
Also, Agents for DIR. LIE RICHAUsS COL
DEN PILLS, for Seminal Weakness, Night
Emissions, Impotency, and all diseases
arising from Masturbation and excessive
abuses. Price IS per bottle. The genuine
Golden Balsam is put up only in round bot
ties.
On receipt of price these medicines will
be sent to all parts of the country, by ex-
press or mai, securely packed and free from
observation.
None genuine without signature. C.
French Richards, Chemist.
Sole Agents, @. +. RICHARDS & co,
Wholesale and Retail Druggists.
S.W. corner Clay and SansOme streets. W
aI-y San Francisco, Cal. n
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DIR. ]. Walkers California
Vinegar Bitters are purely ves
etable preparation, made chieny ,nvos,. nOa
the native herbs found on the O:'sa losea
ranges of the Sierra Nevada moun.Si;ns mou-.;aS
of California, the medicinal ProPitSS
Of which are extracted thereiro ON .".sa,, W..
cut the use Of Alcohol. Ihe ques'.ISn ~.
is almost daily asked, |" Mnat - 'nS oF
cause of the unparalleled success %
VINEGAR BrrTKRs Our ansMea Sstao -
thst they remove the cause OF oise1' ssss
and the patient RECEIVERS hls ne~ and
They are the great blood purlne9I q anu anu
q life-giving principle PeTieoe snro nssnO-
vator and Invigorator OF tne syssei; ye.ii
Never before in the history OF tne SoLiu Ia'
has a medicine been cofepouneissu PosS-
sessipNo oStst remarkably 9eeais.es y
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AidneY q RIadder Cnn1nlafnfl

UFnATy and WOMB dlleaae3, GfaVel Dlabete9 DropgV
stoppage Of Water Incontinenee Of Urine BFiehts bis.
ease AbumnurA and In all where there are brIck-
dust deposlS the water Is thick cloudy mixed with
snesanees Ike the white Of an egg threads Ike white
shk or there Is morbid dark bilious appearance and
white boRe-dust deposits and when there Is pricing
burning sensation when passing water and pain The
Small Of The Back and along the Lolns. PRICE, oI.oo
MoRMS.-The only Known and surs Remedy
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HEALTHl REAuTYII-

STRONG AND PURE RICH BLooD-INCREAsE
OF FLESH AND WEIGHT-CLEAR SKIN AND
BEAUTIFUL COMPLEXION SECURED T0ALL.
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Northern Pacific Railroad
BREWERY,
Wolf Shaler Proprietor,
6teilacOOm, w. II.

e. H. L. TIBB AIS is the agent at Por
oW nsend for the Northern Pacific Ra
pg Brewery au12Iyl
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14

$3.50 to Sos; choice do $500 to O. 10; white
wheat Western extra 80. 10 TO eco; extra
Ohio 50 81 To 7; extra StLouis $685. to 925
including 5000 bbs shipping extra Western
and State $3.50 to $50, chiefly the latter
price; SOutheln $500 to 500. Wheat
Market lc higher and more doing: Si.23 TO
LES for No. Chicago; SI.20 Tor No. 9 Min
nesota; Sl.30 for No. 9 Milwaukee; $l.l5 to
1888 for ungraded Iowa and Minnesota
spring; Sl.3l to 1884 for No. spring; Sl.23
to I % fnr winter real and amber western;
81 20 to I 80 Tor new rcd Western; 81 30 TO
LA Tor new amber do; 81. 80 to Lao for new
white. Rye steady; gnc to los for new
and old, the latter price for prime Canada.
Corn. Market scarcely SO firm; 81 to sldc
for Western mixed; 80 to S2kc for high mix
ed yellow Western, the latter an extreme.
Oats. Market lirmsr and somewhat unset
tied; 05 to &c for new mixed Western; 20
To 10 for white Western; old nominal; 16o
for mixed; S0c for white Western. Sugar
steady; 7Ic to SIC for fair to good refining:
Sic for prime; claycd Sic; Centrifugal " to
ysc. Tallow steady ut Sc. Pork heavy; 100
bbls for 1874 for new mess 1000 bbls Septcm-
Dor ut S23.75 Lard. Prime steam lie.
Butter unchanged; Western ls to 27c; State
"a To 33c.
LIVE STOCK MARKET.
Beeves. Market dull and lower ut "A to
| l0lc for Texan steers; to l3c for natives.
Veal. Prices firm; demand good; quoted
ut g. to Ole. Sheep aud Lambs. Sheep &c
lower; Lambs dull; Sheep ~ to 6lc; Lambs
s to SIC. Swine. Market dull ut 81 to o.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
" BITTERs" AND TEMPERANCE

In another column may be found the re-
port Of the state assayer Of Rhode Island Of
the percentage of alcohol which he found by
analysis to be contained in some Of the
temperance bitters which are so largely
advertised and used.
Wherever prOhibitory liquor laws exist
there are various ways taken to avoid their
penalties and at the same time get the profit
on the sale of liquor which is so al!uring to
the avariciOus shOp-keeper, and none Of these
cunning devices for svading the law have
been more popular than the patent bitters
dodge. Druggists calling themselves re-
spectacle peddle out rum by the bottlefull
under this very thin disguise, aud it is
winked at BY the law.
The most effective dodge is to use the
bottles which have been emptied Of their
original contents, for intoxicating liquors
selling poor whiskey under the guise and
with the label of patent medicine. Many
Of the so.caled medicines are SO near ia
whiskey in their composition that nothing
short of chemical analysis can tell whether
it is whiskey or bitters that is sold.
We do not expect that the showing mad
by the Rhode Island asSayer will haVeI any
perceptiblo influence at present, but Publi
opinion has so rapidly developed in favor o
prohibition for the last few years that Their
is ground for hope that this class of offend
ers who now openly violate the law under
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
LETTERS FROM THE PEOPLE.
Chelsea Redeemed from POlandilm.

Saturday, Aug. 8. the caucus was called
promptly to order at o'clock by Postmaster
l. b. Bacon, and organized by clocting Hon.
VIM. llebard Moderator aud l. Bacon Sec
Rotary. Then by most sonOrous voices their
strongest man (Elihu Hyde) was nominated
as delegate to the White River Junction
convention, in favor Of l.. =. Poland, and
tho grangers nominated Gilman Thorn, in
favor Of Col Mead. rs the farmers oandi-
date for congress.
The contest was fierce Ballots called for,
and the result was that by the help of farm
ers outside Of the grange, Mr.. Thorn Crreas-
urer of tho grange was elected.
You could see that tho spell was broken.
The die was east, but they rallied To their
last resort. The PolandileS nominated koy
their second delegate Postmaster |. n,
Bacon and tho grangers nominated i. T.
Bisby "a granger) tho ballots were called
for, and tho result was they only found their
postmaster more utterly ruined than his
cOmpeer. This time the DenisOn voter
turned in with the farmers.
The POlandites were dead died easy,
without groan.
On nominating L. Il. Dntton "a granger)
he was elected third delegate without any
opposition. The grangers do not claim the
victory all their own, for the farmers Of TIM
town take their papers aud read and arr
posted in regard to Mr.. Polands doinss IN
Congress, and are utterly disguised with his
management there.
Chelsea, Aug. 10. FARMER.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
UJ'aierf0ICm CasEIe Market.
TUESDAY, Aug. |

ltESDAi' mug IL
At market this week Cattle l245, Sheep
and Lambs 1886. Number from Vermont,
Cattle III. Sheep and Lambs 1850, Calves
200.
Prices Market Bcei-A few choice 10 a5 to
10 so; extra o 80 to 10; first quality SO 25 to
0 90; second quality % to 49, third quail
ity So 90 to 6 co.
Prices of Store Cattle.-Working Oxen pr
pair from 500, $50, us to 225.
Mich Cows and Calves from 1886 to SO (;
extra 65 to IS. Earrow cows % to SO.
Yearlings $40 to ls; two years old 20 to
%; three years old 30 to IS.
Prices of Sheep and Lambs-in lots 2, 2 so,
800 TO 25 each extra so to q 90
per head, or from a to 7ic pr Id. Sheared
sheep A to 5dc per ID.
Spring lambs 81 to 7ic per lb.
Veal calves $500 to 1900.
Prices of Hides, Tallow and Skins-Brght-
ton Hides "a to &c pr Id; Country Hides 7c
to 71c pr Id. Brighton Tallow SC pr Id;
Country TallOw Al q pr Id.
Pelts SOC each. Calf skins l5c per ID.
Dairy skins 75c each.
CLASSIFICATION OF CATTLE AND. SHEEP.
M Beef-Choice grade includes moth
ing but stall fed 100 to 400 lbs Bullocks.
Extra and first quality includes the best,
large, fat Oxen. Second and third quality
includes Oxen and two and three year old
Steers.
Sheep-Extra includes cossets, and when
those Of inferior quality are thrown out.
REMARKS.
Cattlo.-SG9 head of Western and 3TG
Northern cattle. Sixteen loads were by
Colwell, all in fine flesh, arrived on Sunday
and fed, and had u fine rest through the day
driven to Brighton on Monday. Northern
supplies arrive slowly; plenty of them, but
owners object to taking them off Of good
fsed. The most part of those Mt market
changed hands at prices corresponding will
heifurs, that weighed 4545 lbs, ut Sc live
; at 5ic live weighed 26i5 lbs. &. Il. llough
ton sold steers aud heiferS from 7 to BIC pei
| 10, ID w, to dress 500 to 100 lbs each. +. +
Brady sold 3 steers ut $50 each or SIC;
cows and heifers, to dress $50 to 700 lbs each
ut Sc; 0 Mt &c, 500 lbs. Is. Dow sold TIVE
year old hoiiers and cows, to dress 500 lbs, n
Sc per ID DIV. NJ, Il. Shackett sold i
steers to &. Wentworth, to dress $50 lbs, a
Ole; o heiiers and cows, To dress 400 lbs, n
7c per Id, ID w; 8 steers mt &c, dress 700 lbs
Sheep and Lambs.-The market Is of o
sheep and lambs. Several lots arrived las
Saturday included in above receipts tina
eased up the meat market and receipt
from the West via Albany are heavy. w
found comparatively few sheep butchers a
market, and concluded that they have sui
iiciency ut hand for the coming week. Fin
lots oflambs selling to-day nj 7Ac; that AZ
pears TO be about this highest rates. G.. "
Wallace sold so lambs, average 55 lbs, at u
C. ii. Kidder sold l07 lambs, average SO Id,
at &c. |. Is. Sargent sold 90 lambs, averag
81 lbs, at $50 per head. e.. Il. HOughtO
sold 0l old sheep, average 20 lbs, ut 51c.
Poultry. WAS considerable sur
ply offered Of good chickens and turkey
Poultrymen dem urred about buying AS hig
rs Ia week. Prices will probably iall OIL
shade next week. Best ut lSc, lncludin
chickens and turkeys; ordinary 10 to 10.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
Markets.
BOSIOn Market.
Reported for the vermont FARMER by
A. ID. HIBBARD,

Produce Commission Merchant 81 John Street. Boston
WEDNESDAY, Aug. IL.
Butter aud Cheese. The market
has gained strength. under the influence OF II
light supply of choice grades, and prices can
be quoted fully lc per Id higher than u week
ago. The demand has not increased much,
but il has been mostly from dealers who
want tho finest lots, and sales OF Now York
and Vermont have been made Mt 30 TO 3lo
per ID, with fine Vermont selections shade
higher. Fair to good lots have. hoen sold at
25 TO 3Sc, and the lower grades from 20 10 23c
per ID. We quote western up to 27c, but the
quality that would command this figure Is
quite scarce, and the bulk Of tho sales have
boon from % to 26c per ID. Common and
medium butter is still IN liberal stock, but
the cool weather of the past week, and the
scarcity Of iino grades, make holders less
anxious TO force sales, aud AN improved feel
ing is noticeable all round.
Cheese. Prices have ruled steady, with a
demand about equal to the supply. The best
Vermont factory has been sold at l3c, and
Ohio ut l2Io per ID, In round lots; and other
grades range from 10 TO l2c per Id. We
hear Of some sales Of line Vermont Mt 1870.
Flour and GrdiH.-'fhe -four market re-
mains in the same dull state noticed for some
time past. New flour begins to como for
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
I-ergemmes Market.
From our Special Reporter.


SATURDAY. Augs.
1t being too wet to hay, the market was
well attended, and market active with AN
advance Of % from last week. We quote
fair to good "a to 81, extra and selections %
to 30. Eggs zoe per doz. Potatoes very
plenty ut SOC per bu. There being but one
load OF buGberries in, the seller had II good
sale, taking in the dimes MS fast as he could
measure the dts.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14

The Citizen has its column Of slosh about
the wicked injury the FARMER is going tC
do the poor, abused merchants Of st. Johns
bury, aud in return said merchants are do.
ing their best to get him good list of sub
scribers at Sl.25 per year. Earle prints
eleven columns and half of" Laws of the
United States" which being profitable con.
tract probably enables him to sell his paper
at 81 25 and have profit left.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14

flimsy subterfuge may be brought to answer
in the courts for the part they thus play in
lowering the scale Of morality and Christian.
ity in thor own neighborhOOds, while the
manufacturers Of these vile compounds may
Gud their business Of blackening souls under
the preIence of beneating mankind less lu-
Crative.
Let us hope the day may come, and that
speedily.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14

1t is decidedly rich to see the CaLedOniGn
surmising what Hon. ID. G. Denison will do
when he hears of the nomination by those Of
the convention who refuse to abide by the
decision of POland's hirelings. DenisOn was
on the spot and signi6cd his acceptance, and
G. NJ. Stone was also in the village. We can
hardly believe that the latter came home
without knowing that Mr.. ID. had accepted.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14

Judge Poland said at White River juno.
ton Wednesday that it was matter of rerV
great indifference to him whether he received
the nomination or not. Those who kalOio
that he has boldly used and offered money
in number Of instances to secure that nom
ination would like to know how much he
would have been willing to pay for it had ii
not been a matter Of very great indiffer-
enee."
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
Richmond Market.
From our Special Reporter

MONDAY, Aug. 10.
At market 100 tubs of butter. $50 boxes
cheese. car of lambs, and lew small lots
of wool. Butter from 20 10 28c; selections
2Sc. A few tubs sold nc zoe. Most Of tho
butter sold from 80 to 27c. Cheese from 10
10 lee; farm dairy plain 10 to IL; farm dali
ny sage II tn l2c; factory IL to l21. Wool
% to 40c. Lambs SO to L. Eggs 20c per duz.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
50. .sibans Market.

From our Special Reporter.
TUESDAY, Aug. II.
The Butter market was quito brisk to-day,
with II large amount offered. We quote
Common to fair % to 24c, medium 25 to 27c,
choice % Ia Doc selections 3lc. The amt
shipped from here amounts to near or quite
1000 packages, being about 300 loss than last
week.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
N'e,C HaUe,, Market.


TUESDAY. Aug. II.
We ship to-day: ga tubs Ql.4OO lbs)
butter; l1s boxes $3.50 lbs) cheese $50 dOz
eggs. We quote: Butter % to 29G per ID;
cheese flctOry)l2I to l3c per Id; Eggs IS to
l9c per,loz. Butter has advanced from last
weeks prices.
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14

Editor Of the Vermont Farmer -
1t gives us no pleasure to say hard things
OF any of our public men-Of those now Oc-
cupying positions once occupied by FoOte
Collamer, and other illustrious men who
were genuine and incoruptible legislators
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14

eve in the West" are for moro money,
more currency. We own land, not bonds:
Increased currency increases the value of
our lands. 1t docs not help bonds, for ten
thousand dollar bond is always ten thous-
and dollar bond but u ten thousand dollar
farm may DO made TO sell for hfleen thous-
and dollars. ~ Western Exchange.
How, pray tell us hO'O, in the name OF
common sense, is an increase Of the govern
ment promises to pay going to make farm
in the West or anywhere else worth more ?
1t is all very we'll to ass ert that it will do
50, but we are so stupid that we can't sec
how it will DO done, without more light
Vermont farmer. [volume] (Newport, Orleans County, Vt.) 1870-1877, 1874-08-14
POTATO BUGS.

The advance guards of that almost in-
vincble pest the Colorado potato bug have
made their appearance in various sections OF
our state, and we hope the farmers will be
prompt in taking measures to Tepel the enc
my before he obtains a good ioothold. In
the West, in some sections, the raising OF po-
tatoes has been almost entirely abandoned
on account of the bugs, while other sections
have succeeded in keeping comparatively
free. This was done by organization and
pork. 1t was useless for one farmer to rid
his field of them while they were allowed to
flourish in the fields Of his neighbors on each
side of him, and so they organized and de-
Clared war, and by the use Of Paris green
before their fields we're entirely Overrun,
they kept the fOrces.of the bugs few in num-
bars, and saved their crops.
The testimony OF those who have had ex-
psriencO is that it is folly to trust to ducks,
turkeys, or ady-bugs to destroy the potato
bug. and that the only really efficient weap'
on with which to fight him is Paris green.
That, If applied in time and in the right
manner is sure death to them. An extract
from Western paper which may be found
on the FIRST page Of the FARMER should be
read by all, as it gives valuable practical
information, and describes one successful
method Of applying tho poison.
The Woodstock Post printed the lie that
Mead had sold out to Denison, but failed
to carry Woodstock thereby. The CaLedO
nian printed the same lie, but people Al
home knew better than to believe it, though
We are told that the story had its effect ii
Barnet and secured for Poland two delegates
where he would have had none. Per hap
the day when votes gained by such mean
will do the authors Of the lies good has no
yet passed we shall see.