The New York herald., 1874-09-16
JOHN KELLY'S LITTLE GAME
A MisapprehenSiOn as to the Sentiments
Of the Rural Delegates.
Church in the Hands of
His Friends.
Mr.. Kelly Has Invited a Fight and He
Will Get All he Wants"

This staid old city Is famous Tor Its political con-
ventlons In 1871 Tom Murphy aud Conklnc
fought their battle against Fenton here and since
that time, somehow or other, the politicians
seemed to consider Syracuse as a sort OF political
Mecca, and tomorrow we are to have o cOnven-
tion, which, in the opinion of most OF our demo
cratic leaders in the country, is to decide the late
OF the democratic party for the coming year. New
YORK city Is strongly represented. John Kelly is
here with his delegation solid TOR Tilden. Mr.. Kelly
has got
BATTLE TO FIGHT.
He knows perfectly well that he cannot afford
to fight the country democrats, using Judge
Church as his victim. He came up this evening
with his delegation, and, Notwithstanding his talk
about Judge Church few days ago. he iees
perfectly confident that Mr.. Tilden will
get nominated on the first ballot. Mr..
Kelly, however, counts without his
host. I came up on the cars myself with Mr..
Tilden, and in order to secure himself against all
possible defeat be got out at Utica and called on
Ex-Governor Seymour. Mr.. Herman ana Mr.. Sey-
mour were in town by special appointment and
met Mr.. Tilden. Mr.. Tilden told ex Governor Sey,
mOur that he didn't desire the Governcrship, but
said that If the party in the country considered
that he ought to run he would run, cost what it
might. You correspondent, while at Deerfeld,
had quite an interesting conversation with Mr..
Tllden about his canvass. In answer to several
questions as to his prospects,
MR.. TILDEN SAID.
81 did no: make myself candidate. am not
8 man who Graves for politics simply for what
politics may bring to man. There are men in
the democratic party who have won their laurels
as leaders by the profits they have secured but as
Tor me. all the reputation In the democratic party
have won was won by the burdens | carry l
have made nothing by politics. I have ALWAYS
worked for the democratic party without regard
to favor or profit"
At this point Of the conversat ton your corre-
spondent asked MIR. Tiiden why he did not go into
the democratic caucus when he was q member OF
the Assembly.
Mr.. Tilden replied :--'I knew perfectly well that
in the Assembly had been chare ed with the hor-
rible crime OF not acting with the democr attic
party, but the sole reason for my not going into
the democratic caucus was that Tom Fields was
the manager Of it,"
Ex-Governor Seymour, who was present while this
conversation was going on between Mr.. Tilden
and your correspondent. remarked 1--WE are
going to have very harmonious Convention, and
l DO not think there will be any strife the
Governorship. Mr.. Tiden Is the candidate Of the
reform democracy. Mr.. Kelly few days ago
spoke his mind very freely about certain candi-
dates. He spoke his mind probably a little too
freely but MIR. Kelly always means what he says.
A wrong Interpretation has been put upon his
words so far as Judge Church is concerned. Mi.
Kelly, know, did not mean 10 throw any slur
upon Judge Church. and think Judge Church is a
man OF good common sense and that he will not
take 10 heart this conversation alleged to have
been.held with Mr.. Kelly"
INTERVIEW WITH FRANCIS HERMAN.
Your cor espondent before leaving Utica called
upon Francis Herman to ascertain what his views
were as TO our next Governor. Mr.. Herman was
very frank; he stated that his candidate was Mr..
Tilden tnat he would go to Syracuse to work for
him, that he considered him the strongest man in
the whole party, that he believed Mr.. Tilden was
the only man who could defeat General Dix be-
cause of his reform record.
Your correspondent here remarked-.Mr. Ker-
nan, do you really believe that Mr.. Tilden Is a
stronger candidate than Judge Church 9'
Mr.. Herman replied-"Ihat is a question that
] do not care to answer. If Judge Church should
be the nominee OF the Convention he would poll
the full vote OF the party; his record is pure.
Some people in New York, good democrats too,
have 1 idea, so far as have been abe to learn,
that the country democrats will cut Mr.. Tiden at
the polls. | do not believe that there is any ioun-
datiOn Tor this assertion. Mr.. Tiden is known
throughout the entire State as the democrat who
overturned the fammany ring, and have too
IL
OF the democratic party not to believe that they
VIII stand by hum IN the coming contest. In the
coming campaign the democrats have, in my opn-
ion, pretty clear field. The atmosphere Is in our
favor; the democratic party in this State TODAY
d. mas nothing to % LOOK back a upon with shame, We
struggles have apparently been in vain but right
Will always prevail"
Mr.. Tilden, VINO left Utica at the same time your
correspondent did, seemed to be very sensitive
about inc course Mr.. Kelly saw ht to take III his
conversation win newspaper men about a week
n inf
crat from the western part OF the State made this
remark TO Mr.. Tuden:-
"Are you really serious in your candidacy lOr the
GOvernorshipp
=, This remark was made apparently as joke but
Mr.. Tilden did not seem to regard 1t as Joke,
and, turning abruptly around, ne said -
TILDEN's DECLARATION.
81 am candldate for Governor; nave not forced
myself upon the party, but have been urged so
strenuously by the leaders in all parts OF the State
to run tnat consider myself in the hands Of the
Mr.. IiIden, in speaking to the gentleman tnat
allude TO- stated frankly that he would remain
party could prevail upon him to retire. III am,"
he SAID,
'THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE IN THE STATE.
My strength, strange as 1t may seem, Is the rural
districts. Everybody knows me IN the country
When the ring frauds IN New YORK were the topic
ring prosecutions was proper one. had no
selfish interests TO serve ana what did did SIM
ply for the sake of the good name Of the democratic
Ex-Governor Seymour. Francis Herman, John
Kelly and all his New iork deise alton arrived here
to-day. MIR. Kelly finds himself In a very embar-
RAISING position. on his arrival here this after
noon he discovered that the rural delegations were
not SO strongly favored with Tammany as his
friends from the country had gwen MN reason to
expect Somehow or other ne was informed a few
days ago by men who are prominent in political
circles In some interior counties, that he could
without lear hight Judge Church, but Mr.. Kelly has
been deceived. Apparently Judge Church is not a
candidate Tor the Goyernorship. got Off the cars
at Albany on Monday morning aud called upon
Judge Church at his hotel. lie refused in the most
positive manner to talk about the political situa.
ton. very near friend of his, in answer to a
pressing question OF your correspondent, said -
"lf the Convention should consider Judge CHURCH
NECESSITY TO THE PARTY
success he will be q Canddate.n This statement
rather surprised me In view OF the fact that Mr..
7ilden THIS evening showed me letters urging him