National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-03-24

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IDISTRICT INVESTIGATION
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amouat AZ these paschases;. have 700 footel
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Ths Chairman At tSs time you nsds. Ties
purchase Of Governor eAepherd was Be !
member Of the Board Of Public Wcrts1 4.
think be was. have given the datss-
| The Chairman How b that, Governor
Governor Shepherd. 1 vsnt into eehcs atA'
The Chairman. You were then . member o
the Board Of Public. Worksi h. I was ap
pointed ON the 18th Of March, 1871 s-fT-3 =
By Senator ThusmAH Q. Was al tha1 prop
erty conveyed to you - trusteea How much
Of Il do you hold yeti A. Square 156, whiel
was the largest purchase nade q that TIM
that have sold. ss..E - 55g
seoator ThuEman. Just take pencil ther.
and put the letter sts'' sgainss tAs property yes
1.-THE witness did - reqassted, marking sucl
portions - were sold on the list.1
Q. Read of those you have soldl A. hay,
sold lot In square f57, and sold al Of sauar,
156. f- F-sT 7.fsTs
Q. To whom did you make those sslesa A
I sold square 1855 to James N. Latta, trustee
The Chairman. That d part Of the land vhicl
he stated 90; I understand 30. =,
By Senator Thurman: Q. And the otheTa
/ Witness. Lot A. 49,. 49, 81 Sd
! Senator Thurman. Yes, SIR, A. We sold tina
to Mrs. Derby. ~
Senator Thurman. Go on, gentlemen, will
I your examination. 80
The Chairman: Q. State to the commute,
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By Mr.. Christy: Q. You may state what IN
structious you gave to James N. Latta to pur
chase Circle property from W. w. Rapley, re
ferrcd to by him in his testimony which you
have read. A. / remember no special instruc
tions, only that was provided with funds Il
make purchases. '-...--..' I s.
| Q. To what extent were you provided Will
funds to make purchases at that timea A.
must decline, Mr.. Chairman, to answer tina
question.
| Q. desire, also, to connect with that ques
| ton another; by whom were you suppliet
| with fundsl A. I most respectfully decline I.
answer anything relative to our private business
| until some one responsible memorialist viii
come forward here over his own name and holt
himself responsible. If he will do that, vii
tell everything in connection with our business
| from one end to the other. We do business fo
people in all sections of the country
People place money In our hands for invest
ment, and II We are brought up here to expose
that business, with no charges made agains
US, no accusations of any kind, and for no I'm
lawful act, and required to divulge our bust
ness, people will stop putting money in GU
hands, and thus our business win be ruined
I want somebody to be responsible before Civ
my answers. Suppressed applause.l
| will say in this connection, as think 1t /
proper, that Mr.. Riggs, last week think
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that he had made no changes, and that he wa
not urging the production Of the papers.
want To hear Of some responsible man, who ID
By Senator Thurman: Q. Mr.. Kilbourn
you stfll hold all the property you have men
toned except that which was sold! A. Yes
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/ Q. Do you hold IL upon the same trust upo
which II was conveyed to you-for the sam
| persOnst A. Not entirely.
| q Tho heuef7ciar fea of the trrlsf then hav
changed A. i will state to the extent of one
Ono interest has changed.
l @. Now, that I may understand you, I as
the direct question, who were the benedciarie
of the trust at the time that these conveyance
were made to youa A. That respectfully d.
| cline to answer.
Senator Thurman. It Is our duty to admonis
you. That Il, as we have already decided, q ques
ton which the witness Is bound to answer; tina
there are no such privileged secrets as you sur
pose in regard to transactions of broker 0
any sort in making purchases for his employers
and that, therefore, 1t 10 . legal question
and proper to be answered. And hay
ing admonished you that this is the case
as we did Mr.. Latts, which you may hav
heard, perhaps, now repeat the question
| ''For whom did you make those purchaser
A. If answer that, will the committee indulg'
me few minutes, or shall make categorica
answerl merely want to state the reasons TO
declining to answer; that IL all. As said be
| fore, II any responsible person will make tn,
statement that ], or any parties whom repre-
sent, have conspircd with the Board of Publ
Works, or the United States Government, o
with any officers thereof, for the purpose of re
dEcing taxes, or for doing anything unlawful,
will give statement OF the entire business
But conscious that have done nothing; tina
parties whom represent have done nothing
and might say in this connection that none o
them could 60 and pick out these lots them
selves-and believing now Is the time when tn,
atmosphere is pretty well filed with tn,
charges Of spies and informers; when mer
chants books are being seized, fully conscious
Of the responsibility that rests upon me, mus
respectfully decline to answer who the partie,
are for whom do private business until there
is some charge made that these parties or my
self have done something unlawful.
By Senator Thurman: Q. Do you decline in
respect to each and every one of the beneficial
REST A. Yes, STR; will admit as to the extern
that was stated here, that Jay Cooke Il Co
advanced to inc 325, 900.
@. Now, I put this question to you: Was moi
Henry d. Cooke one Of the benefciaries OF thai
purchased A. He was not, to my knowledge
Q. Was he not interested in III A. No; only
20 far - being member of the firm Of JAY
Cooke & Co. To what extent that was d
| not know. /.
Q. Then the firm of Jay Cooke q Co. wer,
interested In the purchasea A. Yes, SIR.
O.. And % far as Henry D, Cooke was inter
ested in that firm, he was interested A.
presume 20.
Q. NowI wiz ask you this further question
Was Alexander R. Shepherd interested In thost
purchased A. ! will say emphstically he wa
not. That Il to my knowledge.
Q. Was Mr.. Mullett interested in these pur.
chasesl A He was not Perhaps had better
make general statement here, and say under
oath that no man connected with the govern.
ment of the District Of Columbia was inter
ested, directly or indirectly, to my knowledge
And not one of them, but one possibly, 10 Z
citizen Of the District Of Columbia.
Q. You must except from that Mr.. Cooke
A. do not know that Mr.. Cooke-I do moi
know that Jay Cooke & Co. are citizens here
@. No, mean IS to the interest. You say
no member of the District government was in
terestedl A. will except, certainly, Henry
D. Cooke. Perhaps he was 20 far interested as
being member Of that firm.
Q: He was Governor Of the District, was be