National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-18

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his representation to you th., he could con-
mand influence a this cityl A. Yes, sir.
. g; How long vas il amer that until you
Hefsref answenng' that question, however,
VII ash you Hheh you paid Mr.. Brown that
11c,Oo0f Al paid MI. BrcGn that SIC, 900 at
ne ANA fime. ! forwarded II 70 him at the
1ac1o time foruardedit to him at the same
tt1e that f5rwsrded the uotes-so Mr.. Kirt-
lard. ] c1nnos tel you The exact date, but 1t
Vas The fore part ofJuiy.
ID that connection. How long after yon secured
the services Of Mr.. Brown had you secured the
services OF Mr.. Kirtiandf A. That cannot
tell you. 1,hayo no recollection Of the month.
q. Give usthe best information you cenl a.
an totally unableto answer that. cannot
tell exactly the time. ] think It was not long
10. Shortly afierf a. u was shortly aftsri
Q. Then You agreed TO pay Mr.. Kirkland
thirty-six cents square yard for his servicess
Yes, SIR. ~ Ell % oie.lef 80 70 ssssilano9
Q. How long had you known Mr.. Kirtlandi
A. had known him about the same time had
known Mr.. Brown.caI ...T y. h .l'rrr .-fr
20. Was your acquaintance with him OF the
same character as that with Mr.. Brownl A.
Yes, sir; hotel acquaintance - ,fs,s -,
. O. Did hevmake the proposition to you, or
you to hint A. Colonel Kirkland made q
proposition to me; be knew was here upon
this business of securing contracts. -
Q. How many interviews had you With him
before you concluded that arrangement with
hint A. Well, we got TO talking about the
matter incidentally for come few days. ~
@. What influence was he to bring to bear
for the purpose OF securing this contract A.
He never told me what influence would be
used. - y ~ -i-f-4tS ca =
o. Did he inform you that he had any in
here which would enable him TO get that con-
tracti A. He did. ~
Q: Did you at tho time know what Il vast
A. did not. y H-d s-ft-7 >.1s 1zsa-2I r.
O. Then the attitude of the negotiation be-
tween you and him was thiss You and he were
comparative strangers to each other; you were
seeking q large contract here; you had made
arrangements with Mr.. Brown by which hewas
to get certain percentage for securing this
contract, then you made this arrangement with
Mr.. Kirkland, who was stranger TO you, and
agreed to give him SO cents per yard upon the
hypothesis or upon his statement that he had
influence that he could bring to bear. Do you
state to the committee that You did not insist
upon knowing what influence he expected to
usea A. Not at all. j did not. sfuh-l 5l
20. Do you say that you made Q contract of
that kind and did not ask of him the influence
that he could usel A. That is exactly what
q Q. You never called upon, never inquired of
him what influence he hadl A. Not at all.
Q. You made this contract with this
stranger to take charge Of this important in
terest OF yours without knowing what he could
accomplish, or what he expected to accom-
plish,o or the means by which he expected to
accomplish It. Is that what You state to the
committed A. That Is what wish to be un-
derstood as saying. wish to state: -
!. @. Did Mr.. Kirkland tell you with whom he
was acquainted A. wish to stale that there
were several applications to meet Knowing
that / was here TO get contracts, there were
several applications made TO me to aid in secur-
ing the contract for so much bonus per square
yard, providing the contract was delivered.
This contingent arrangement was made with
Brown and with Kirkland, and with some other
q. VINO were the other partiesi a. well, I
had forgotten ugtii saw saw . proposition had had
hotel. I do not know who Major Rice Is. He
called at the hotel and stated 70 me that he
had influence 10 get contract. .llA 30.
O. You do not know who he isi Al do not.
@. Did you make any arrangement with
himi "A. I did make arrangements with him.
Q. What arrangementsi A. The same as l
make with others. 90 2 s'l y 'sl y ca. -
: Q. What arrangements DID you make with
himi L.. / made an arrangement to gige him
so many cents per square yard, providing he
delivered the contract within sgfyen time. -
Q. How much did you agree to give himi A.
That 1 cannot tell you; somewhere between
thirty and forty cents. He stated that he
could deliver q contract for 100000 square
yards. 90 .-s 49,. .r...sse,
Q. Did he tell you how he was going to d.
lit A. No, sir; It was q contingent PROPOSE
ton. If he delivered the contract within that
time, was to pay him SO much.
o. Whom else did you make arrangements
think there were one or two more, but can
not call them to mind. This contract with
Major Rice was not complied with on his part
and annu1led; and 90 with all these.
Q. understand that, sir. he Just came to
you and proposed to aid you in getting this
contract; and with whom you did not make
the arrangement A. No, sir; they all wanted
to make arrangements.
Q. You made arrangements with everybody
A. Everybody that came and wanted to make
arrangements. --'g
Q. think, perhaps, you do not apprebend
the question. Were there other persons who
made application to you to assist you with
whom you did not make arrangements { A.
No, sir.
By Mr.. Thurman: Q. You made arrange
ments with all who came, thenf A. made
arrangements with those who came, right
along, but found that few Of them were able
to perform their contracts. 90
BY Mr.. Wilson: Q. Now, sir, did Mr.. Kirt-
land give you the names Of persons with whom
he was acquainted in this city, A. No, sir; he
did not.
Q. mean in connection with this negotia-
toni A. No, sir; he did not at all.
By Mr.. Thurman: Q. You paid q certain
amount to Mr.. Kirtlandi A. Yes, sir.
Q. How much was 1T A.. Seventy-two
thousand dollars IN notes. -
Z @. You recognized the fact, then, that he
had procured the contract A! He had COM
piled with his agreement with me.
@. That is the reason you paid Browni A.
Yes, sir. ' p ''f
O. You paid $1,000 to himi A. Yes, sir.
O.. You did that because he had complied
with his contract A. Precisely so.
Q. And you paid $4,000 to Parsonsi A.
Yes, sir. 49,. = y ga &. E
o. You recognized the fact, then, that each
one of these gentlemen had complied with his
contract A. Yes, sir.
O. Do you say that you had no idea of the
means by which either one Of these gentlemen
was able to obtain those contractsi A. ] do
mean to say that do not know the influence
they used at ali. ss-.-
d. You have no idea Of themi A. have no
idea of them. 90 -1s
O. You have no idea at alli A. No, sir.
You have no idea with whom Kirkland,
to whom you paid 90 large sum Of money,
had influenced A. I have no idea about that.
@. Nor an idea with whom Brown had infu-
encei A. No, cir. ell ~,
O. How, then, did you know that it was their
influence that obtained those contracted Didn't
you put In bids for DeGolyer & AeCleilani A.
Yes, sir. 5 t -
@. Just as other contractors didi A. Ger
tainly. . .a 20 .sy5 -
O. How did you know that the bids were not
awarded By the Board Of Public Works on the
merits Of your proposal, independent Of indu-
ence, or that they were obtained by influenced
A. My agreement with these parties was, that
in case this award was made they should have
so much. $685. f-5
: Q. And you took II for granted, then, that
these contracts, were awarded, not upon the
merits Of the bid, but BY the influence these
men exercised, and, therefore, you paid themi
A. can answer that by stating that / wanted
all the influence could get IN every quarter TO
secure the contract. I wanted the merits of
the pavement talked Of In every direction, and
I was authorized by De Golyer & Mcclellan
to use ffty cents per square yard for that pur-
pose. -
Q. Iwant sim 10 come back TO the question.
Here were tIFo men wh3 were strangers to
YOU A. beg your pardon, not abso-
futeiy strangers. They had been at the hotel
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