National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-07

Q. You have got in there ,625 cubic yards of
excavation A. That is an element OF the
sewer; and 81 500 represents the total cost Of
the sewer.
9. But here is 7ss linesl feet, Is Scotch tiles,
and laying at 81. 38l A. Yes, sir.
" Did not that embrace the excavationf A.
itself.
Q. Very weil; but did not the Board Of Pub
lie Works have q contract with party for Just
putting down 50 much severl A. Well, the
contract was to be based on board prices, which
was IS centa for 12inch pipe, exclusive of ex-
cayation. and then they paid 40 cents per cubic
yard on excavation and these sundry schedule
prices for msn-holes and traps
@. Is that the way the contract rant A. Yes,
sir.
Q. Look at the next one, and see what you
can make out of that; that Is, Brennan and
Hutton. A. That Is something similar; por-
and one sixth of. 40
Q. The voucher itself does not correspond
with this. A. With whatl .
Q. With this. A. Because II could not. These
represent the amount Of work done BY the
contractor, the amount due him.
Q. You had to figure these results out Of the
voucher in some wayl A. OF course.
@. That is not explained on the face Of the
voucher A. or course; this account 10 with
the contractor. What stated is what Is due
by the Government on that work.
Q. Then this table you have presented Is
simply the result Of some calculations you have
been making, not taken from the vouchers at
alR A. I got the cost per lineal foot from the
voucher, and then got the length chargeable
tothe Government from the map.
Q. Exactly. Now We are coming at It. 80
N gOfl nj -1ow kaH
taken this from the voucher, you were mis-
takenl A. Yes, sir; l suppose that statement
was not precise enough. '- -. >
@. But you have had to 60 to the mapi A.
Yes, SIR. - 49, -s-- 80 '.- '.---.. ...
o. Now, don't you know that there are two
maps, and one Is right map and the other Is
q wrong onei That Is q perfectly plain ques-
tion and | want an answer to Il. Don't you
know there are two maps, one of which is cor
rect and the other Of which is mott A. don't
exactly understand.
Q. That is tolerably Ineligible question,
think I don't think there is anything am
biguous about it. A. Certainly there may be
erroneous maps.
Q. Don't you know there are Just two
such maps as that, Que of which Is right and
the other of which Is not right With regard to
sewersi A. Yes, SIR. don't exactly
Q. Let US have it, you have no interest in
this matter. Let US have it just as you know
1t to be. A. Indeed try TO be perfectly frank.
Q. Certainly. don't doubt t. A. If cx-
actly understand what you refer To-
Q. want to know If you don't know that
there are two maps, one of which is right and
the other of which is uotl
Mr. Hubbell. Two-where?
Mr.. Wilson. am coming to that presently.
The Witness. Certainly. The maps in
which these sewers which had reference to
are located-that is correct. 1 don't think
there is any other map.
Q. Don't you know that there wos a map
brought here yesterday as the right map and
sent awaya A. Twas here yesterday but few
moments,
Q. State whether you don't know that there
are two sets of mapsi A. Well, We have a
number of maps, some Of which are not correct,
and I certainly would very gladly point out
any one that you refer to, but canno. exactly
understand.
Q. You are perfectly familiar with that
oflcel A. think l am. We have a great
number of incorrect maps, but this one, which
used, certainly, 1 think-to the best OF ny
knowledge, was correct.
Q. Iwant to see that map you used when
you made this outl A. I sent for it this morn
ing, and thought It was here.
Mr.. Stanton. Did you send any map back
yesterday
The Witness. No, sir.
Mr.. Mattlngly. There was a map brought to
me yesterday, that sent back. Ihad requested
a copy, for the use Of the committee, of the
Ellicost's map, from the Office of the Commits
sloner Of Public Buildings, and they brought
me not the Elliott map, but another map.
dol't remember now who II was that brought
that map to me; but l sent It back.
Mr.. Stanton. saw that map; 1t had nothing
to do with the sewers. It was a map dated In
1893, and handed it to Mr.. Mattingly.
Mr.. Matsingly. Yes, you showed me the map,
Mr.. Stanton.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. Looking little farther
down on this statement of yours, you will find,
"No settlement as yet; estimated at So
81, 800" "No settlement as vet; estimated at
$3.50, 19s." A. No final vouchers in regard
to them.
Q. How did you get at theml A. From the
size of the pipe, and from the other board
prices; and think IS is just about as near as
can come to it.
Q. That is a mere guest A. No, sir; would
not say "guess."
Q. 1t is only an estimated A. 1t Is an esti-
mate.
Q. You do not pretend It Is right A. It
might vary 10 cents, more or less, either way.
Q. You do not pretend it is aecuratel A.
No, stated 1t here as an estimate.
Q. Then this table would not be of much
value to the committee in the way of arriving
at the average cost of this to the Government
4. I only presented 1t with view to show that
the average which had recommended was no;
so outrageously wrong.
Q. You have gone over all these vouchers
have you, one BY onel A. think have.
Q. Then itwould not have been much trouble
for you to have made out for US statement o.
the number of each kind of sewer-pipe thai
had been put down. A. Do you mean at the
timei
Q. Yes. sir. A Yes, sir; because for the
very reason that we did not have these vouch-
ers In.
o. When you made this up you had the
vouchers, did not youl A. Yes, sir.
Q. Why then did not you give US all the
lengths of each kind Of pipe, and then we
could have told exactly what the fair average
wasl A. promised you, think, on the day
before yesterday to get 1t up.
Q. Have you got 1t up yeti A. No, sir;
did not feel well enough to work at 1t, but
shall get It for you without any delay.
Q. Did you help measure New Hampshire
avenue with Colonel Samoa A. do not know
whether was present the last time.
Q. What last timel A. L was not present
for the three or or four last measurements.
Q. How many measurements has he made
on New Hampshire aVenuel 4. / could not
say, unless by referring to the Governors
answer.
Q. Have you been measuring very recentlyl
A. Well, went over it, I think, with Colonel
Same.
Q. Whenl A. It was only some eight or ten
days ago.
Q. Have you and he been making figures on
New Hampshire avenue recently A. He was;
have not.
Q. Haven't you made anyl A. He convinced
me that he was right.
: Q. Did you make any figures on III A. No,
sir; cannot say that made any figures.
Q. You say he convinced you that he was
right A. Yes, sir. would rather say that
he convinced me, because in the beginning
thought he was wrong.
Q. Now, would be glad to have you state
exactly how he has gone to work to make it uI
that he was right In the first instance. What
have you donel A. Well, he told me that he
had measured the depth Of the excavation, and
arrived as closely to the fill as he could. With
regard to the I'll, he had to refer to me fol
personal knowledge. The profile in the Office
as we now have it relative to that fill is wrong
Q. The profile is wrongl A. Yes, sir: that is
to say, the profile is right enough for the time
when It was taken. But there had been quite
large I'LL made prior to the taking Of the pro
file, and happen to be little familiar with
that locality, because Travelled ovc- 1t, and on
account Of that familiarity gave him my views
as TO the depth. o.. .....
q. Did You bring the committee the papers
that we called for the other day in regard to
your measurements and with reference TO that
million appropriation
The Witness These memoranda?