The Portland daily press. [volume] (Portland, Me.) 1862-1921, 1874-08-15

| Q.-Were there any documents shown to
| you by Moulton? What did he show yon be-
fore you made the payment?
Alt was the result Of intimations aud
general statements, and finally Sid to him
II am willing to pay $5000." l came to do ii
10 this was. There was a discussion about
| that paper; Moulton was constantly advancing
money as he said to me to help Tilton. The
paper was needy. One evening was at his
| house; we were alone together in the back
parlor, and Monlton took ont letter from his
| pocket, which was read to me, in which the
writer had made advances of money to Theo-
Jore. l understood from him that the writer
| OF this letter had given him some thousands
two time checks or drafts, which, as L recol-
lected, vera on BLUSH paper, although 1 am
not sure of that. There were two checks, each
OF them amounting to one or two thousand
dollars more. and l should think it amounted
in all to about $4,000, although my memory
about quantities and figures is to be taken
with great allowance, bnt it produced the i'm
preston in me that the writer had given him
one or two thousand dollars down in cash; and
as the writer explained in the letter it was not
convenient to give the balance in mouey at
That time, but that the writer had drawn time
drafts which would be Just as useful to him as
money, aud Mouiton slapped the table and
said, THAT is what [ call friendship" and 1
was stupid and said Eyes, it was,''
Afterward when got home and thinking
about it in the morning, why, said 1, "What a
fool!' never dreamed what he meant. Then
l went to him and said to him, 81 am willing
to make contribution and put the thing bey-
ond controversy" Well, he said something like
this: That he thought it would be the best in
vestment ever made in my life, L then went
to the savings bank and put a mortgage of
$4,000 on my house. l took a check which was
given by the banks lawyer and put it into the
bank, and on Mr.. Moultons' suggestion that it
would be better than to have check drawn to
his order. drew the money in $500 or $1,000
bills; l have forgotten which but 1 know they
were large for carried the roll in my hand and
these gave into his hands. From time to
time he spoke in the most glowing terms and
said he was feeding it out to Theodore, and that
at the time of the first installment he gave
Theodore $500 at once, and that he sent with
it a promissory note for Theodore to sign, but
that Theodore did not sign it but sent it back
TO nm saying that he saw no prospect in the
end OF paying loans and that he could not hon
oraby, therefore, expect them and refused to
sign any note, and Moulton laughed signifi-
cantly and said that Tilton subsequently took
the money without giving any note.
Q.-Did you receive any note Of security
whatever or evidence of debt from Moulton; or
has there been any offer to return the money
to you?
A.-Nothing of the kind. 1t was never ex-
pected to be returned by either party.
Q-Has Moulton said anything to you about
money in comparatively recent period?
A-About the time of the publication of the
Bacon letter, 1 think had been given to I'M
derstand he had offered S. 900 in gold to Tilton
II he would not publish that letter at the then
stage of affairs. Moulton felt profoundly that
all this matter without leaving Moulton in an
awkward position, and that he offered S. 900 in
gold if Tilton would not publish that letter, 1t
led to some little conversation about supply
OF money, and he said that I had better give
him my whole fortune than have Tilton go on
in this course
Q-That you had better give your whole for
tune to Mr.. Tlton.
Ayes, rather than hav, Tilton 20 into this
fight.
.Q-Was that before or after the publication
of the Bacon letter.
Al can't be certain about that It was
about that time.
Odd Mr.. Moulton ever question you in re-
gard to this matter Whether you had ever
spoken on that to any one or expressed any
enxiety in your mind about it?
Ale did, not many weeks ago Among
the last interviews had with him.
.Q-Did you see and have conversation with
Titon soon after payment of the $1,000?
A-On the Sunday morning following the
payment OF $4,000 as was going to church in
opposite the house. He put his arm through
mine aud was in his most beatific mood.
While walking along down to the church he
was talking all the way of grace, mercy and
pcdCc W lIic duu at tIdL Llm6 L recOlI0Ct OF
thinking that $4,000 is very modifying.
Odd you at any time receive the note
which the committee have in evidence as fol-
lows: SO. w. b. Grace, Mercy and Peace"
Sunday morning?
Ayes, he sent it on Sunday morning by
his wife who had it LAID On my pulpit stand.
MIR. Carpenter GENES I'm.
Q-Here is letter dated May /, 1874, in
which Titon refers to some story of Carpenter
about yonr offering money. Did You receive
that letter?
Al did, sir. 1t was a magnificent humbug
| know that Tilton knew that he lad beeu
tinkling my gold in his pockets for months and
years and he wrote that letter to be published
for sham and mask.
Q-What did you understand by Mr. Car
penter's relations to the money matter?
Any first knowledge of Carpenter was
pulling his nose into this business which did
not conceln him. That was also Moulton's
impression. 1 asked Monlton one day "Wbat
under the sun is Carpenter doing here meddling
with this business?'' He summarily damned
and well-meaning busy-body, but fool.
One other conversation l have some recol.
lection in April, and that was when Mr.. Moul-
ton had plan on foot to buy the Golden Age
OF Titon and send him to Europe, and Carpen-
ter came in and talked with me about it, l rec
ollect very distinctly that conversation. My
eyes were beginning TO be enlightened, my edu-
cation was beginning to tell on me little, and
l said to Carpenter distinctly: "Mr. Carpen-
ter, that is matter which 1 can have nothing
to do with, don't know but what if Tilton
wishes to go to Europe with his family and
live there for some time that his friends would
be willing to raise that amount of money, but
that is matter you must talk with somebody
and not with me-
Odd you say that if Tilton printed his
documents you would never again ascend that
pulpit?
Al newell said that and should never talk
about the thing with such weak man as he.
Q-Who introduced the subject of going to
Europe when Carpenter came to see you?
Ale did.
What Tilfon Says.
The Brooklyn Argus reporter has had an in
terview with Tlton since the statement of Mr..
Beecher. He is represented as saying that
Beecher has abused Moulton as one man never
abused another, who has been his generous
friend. He says that Moulton must now speak,
and when he does he will squelch Mr.. Beecher.
He also says that Moulton's first statement was
suppressed at the solicitation of Mr.. Beechers
friends.