National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-26
far a. n. engineer department proper is CON.

far as the engineer department proper is con-
cerned. : lr-, ,-rr ~ IT, 4 :
o. But you say that things that ought t.
have gone into the engineers department, did
not 90 there. Was not that something which
you should have felt at liberty to call on any
body to aid in remedyingi A. may have don,
that, but the question is, whether / had suffi
cient reason for taking an open course of en-
nifty.
o. Your Judgment was that Il was best t.
keep quiet until the Investigating Committe,
called on you toward the last end, and let 4
come out theni A. / thought when that Inves
tigating Committee would have called on m,
the first day, should have spoken just as fear
lessly as the last. + have said so to the mem
bers of the committee.
The Chairman. Where is the office Of tn
Board of Public Worksi A. Four-and- a. hal
street, between Pennsylvania avenue and
street.
Q. On what storyi A. The vice president
Office is on the second story.
Q. am speaking Of the Office Of the Boar
Of Public Werks3 A. They have no ofic,
proper. The vice presidents Office, that is OF
the second story. There we hold our meetings
and because we hold our meetings there
would call it the Office Of the board.
Q. How many rooms have you therein tn,
Office of the Board Of Public Works proper
which you eallthe vice presidents officei A
-Four rooms, and then
Q. That is the Office over where the paper
of the Board of Public Works are kept A
Yes, sir.
Q. That is in the second storyi A. Yes, SIR
Q. Where Is the engineers oficei A. In tn,
third story.
Q. In the same buildingi A. Yes, sir.
( Q. Above the Office Of the boardi A. Yes
sir.
Q. Do you go to your Office every day. A
Yes, sir.
Q. How often do you go into the Office o
the Board of Public Works generality A.
think twice day.
Q. Every day in the year, A. Yes, sir
Sometimes may be absent. may not, pos
sihly, go in every day, but am in the habit oil
coming once in the morning and once in the
afternoon.
Q. Did you generally find Governor Shcphert
there, when he was vice president of the
boardi A. think that Governor Shepherd
sometimes for three or four weeks, did moi
come inside of the building last summer, :,
2. When he was there, however, you saw
himi A. went to the engineers office, and Il
the vice president wanted anything from me
he would send Ut come up Stair.
O.. Did he come upi A. o, yes; oc.
casionally., e.. r..--. o.. .....
Q. He would came up stairs, and you would
60 down stairs2 A. Yes, sir. .. ...
Q. want you to tell this committee what
your opinion is of Mr.. Oertly as to integrity
A. Well, my opinion was always good. have
said 50 already in my testimony. .. -.
Q. mean your present opinion of him as an
engineer OF, integrity A. Well, still would
not say anything against his character.
Q. Do you believe, or not, that he is an engi.
neer Of integrity A. Well, think SO.
Q. You think he Isl A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you think he had any instructions
from any member of the board to make exces-
sive measurements A. Well, never thought
of that at all. i do not think he had any in
structions to make over-measurements. When
the Government appropriations were made, the
members Of the board liked to see the measure.
ments foot up as much as possible, but do not
think that any positive orders were given in
any way or shape.
Q. When you called Mr.. Oertly's attention
to this large estimate for John o. Evans-this
partial estimate which has been testified to-
and he said to you as an excuse for his action
that he was directed to do so, did he tell you
in that statement that be was directed to make
an excessive measurement A. No, sir; he did
not. .--.. ... r.-
Q. Or to make true measurements A. The
question did not come up - s-.a
Q. The question did not come upi A. No,
cir. j. ST. --.y-r ..-.-s -.....sr-- ...
Q. Il did not then occur to you that there
naa peen excessive measurements a. When-
ever such point came up would make notes
in my papers, and then in my own way would
60 along and make general comparisons.
By Mr.. stewartI Q. see that you entertain
the same opinion now that you did In Noyem-
Der last IN regard 10 Ar'oertiyfl A.Weil, yes
Y. most OF these measurements were made
SINCE tnen a. think tnat the system mas
made him more careless than he was before.
BY Mr.. Matungyi " his Measurements
were made oeiore thlsis A. bull tney were not
puonsned; alo not KNOW tnem.
by the chairman; " 10 you think that
Mr.; oertiy mace these measurements LOT Jonn
~ a. AnO nc was ,hiaS eaos es
T n,it,ed = n,tstaEa a. an a1sineer, ,b;nl
he committed n mistake With a viev 10 a.
those folks AZ much az he eonld
I do not think he meant TO commit anything
mat was wrong: : -
q Won an n5t think bs Internationally n, .da
an excessive measurement1 A. frIendIv
intercourse of twenty wears would make me
yery slow fn believing ANYTHING IKE that.
have always esteemed MI. OertIy
yery highly. and indeed felt yery sorry to see
those Measurements: more sorry than If had
made them myself : - -
O. 10 Won %now of snv final estimate having
been made to any contractor in excess of the
real Amount of work done1 A. No. air. I DO
not recollect apy at ali now.
o. You do not know now of any final esti-
mate having been made to q contractor in eI-
cess Of the work donei A No an. I Az not
mink that there was anv. wv '' w INV
O Does that appIy 10 an the work done since
Won have been apginaer IN cbaroei tbint
h snnIies n ali he work 10 tSa hos. of NV
O II anv sucb estimate had been made would
vor, not InoYT IN a Whenever thev ware 7
ried n find than ont and corrected tSem
q Yan have ssen these irreonis Rites going
m from time In time which. of Course n,It voS
mon carefuI inouiry3 A Yes. sir-
,.>Ts,,-.-,
.n' 49, H1oAhhhp.
by Mr.. stewart: =. fou nave peen MAKING
more surveys AZ nave, SIR. !.
Q: Da you Dave with you the person VINO
MADE the Original measurementH A. do not
Know thas mad, out applied at tpe en-
gineer's office for the profles, cross sections,
ana maps OF the streets that was going to ex-
anime, stating Fhat was going 70 do, and
tney were FURNISHED 70 me, and have since
then communicated win fhoee gentlemen,
more or less; not with the supordinates In all
cases, put with MT. Cluss and Mr.. Barney.
Ny application, as stated before, was made
TO Mr.. Cluss-formslly made TO him. He
generally referred me to Mr.. Barney for addi-
tional facts. s.r-..r.-- .s.rrt--r. -.ar
may say further, that have asked for ex-
PLANTATION Of discrepancies, and they have, in
part, been given to me, and in part they have
By the Chairman. Q. What measurements
have you made, siri A. / have examined
Twelfth street from F to P, East CAPITOL
at reek IN n cartain nxtent Nawr York avepue