The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1874-06-11

sosonco AoPVss VI LUG ARMY AppIoPrisuon paAs
= the Rouse then took up the Geneva Award bin
and was addressed by Mr. BASS, (rep.) Of N. r.. IN
opposition to she Substitute reported by Mr.. But
Ter, Of Massachusetts. , 4Es EMM saEtessr
Mr.. WILSON, rep,) Of Ind, member Of the Ju-
dietary Committee, argued in support Of the sub
stitute. He contvovened the position taken by
NJ. Poland that the United States government
Oocupisd as Geneva the position OF attorney for the
claimants. On the contrary. it was there In its
sovereign capacity TO vindicate its honor and join
In establishing rules OF international law and at
the same time to procure such money indemnity
a. 1t might be able. The money 30 acquired was.
10 all lntents ana purposes, the money OF tine
United States, to be disposed OF as Congress might
determine, according to those high conceptions OF
the dealings OF nasions that have been crystallized
NJ. ELpREDas. tdsm.j Of via. smother member
OF the Judiciary Committee, made statement OF
nis colleagues aud 70 recommend that the money
PAID under the Geneva award should De covered
Mr. KELLOGG. trep.) OF Conn.,, differed entirely
from the position taken by Mr. Eldredge and
argued that n the money was diverted from the
same species q Injustice that was committed in the
French Bp0lati0n claims, that had been blot
ne &c as nor Sns sss seventy 4
the internattona, admiration and presented GER
tain claims, which were allowed, ana when you
parties lie declared that there was no justice no
equity; no ngnt ana no conscience In any such
Mr.. SrARKwEArHER, repJ OF Comfy col.
ieague seems disposed to keep poor men out OF
Mr.. KELLoGa-No SIR That viii 40 for clap
trap.
Mr.. FRYE, rep) OF Me-, another member OF the
Judiciary Committee spoke IN support OF Mr. But
ier's substitute. He declared that this was fight
between insurance companies (mainV or New
York; and the people OF the COUNT.
Mr.; TaEA4 .1, 5rep ON Are You not aware
panies IN Boston, winch have ailed and that 1t 10
TO be handed over to the losers 0y the Boston reY
RErLEcrIoNs UPON TIE AMERICAN COUNSEL
! Mr.. FRYE-What arrant humbug that ". have
heard the gentleman (Mr. TremAin) talking in
that way. privately and otherwise, In the interest
power OF those insurance companies is ielt in the
House to-day ana In the hotels at Washington and
felt even al Geneva where these
country VINO were At the same tune counsel for
the moor OF the House as lobbyists. 1t was an
almost almighty pow er that could do that
. Mr.. rREMAIN-What authority have you Tor say
ing that when Mr.. Evarts was counsel at Geneva
he was also counsel for any one OF those claimants
who h, now S,.r present r, a demand N MaI
before enc Judiciary Committee OF the last House.
Mr.. TREMAIN-On the contrary, there Is q letter
N THIS House. written ny him yesterday, denying
Mr. BurLsR-And he was on the moor, and put
and he cannot come on ,nis moor and deny it.
PATRIOTIC GRATFICATION
(. Mr.. KRLLO0G-He could not deny 1t here. You
had the advantage or him, ana you refused him
the opportunity to deny 1t. 88,sTTT
Mr.. BUTLER-Pardon me- SIR; do not do that
Mr.. WooDroaD, (repj Of n. Y. andlenantly,-
Ana, as grandson Of Connecticut, am graft
Mr. prrr, nm tec..rr,,v,-co am Tor-h.o,,
Mr.. FRYE proceeded with his argument IN con-
ravention or the idea that the United States gov.
eminent appeared at Geneva In the character Of
without contin ent fee,'' interrupted MI.
THE MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANIES
He read from MI. Fish's letter to Mr.. Adams i'm.
pressing upon him tnar he should be careful not to
with the sum to he recovered. Coming to the
question OF mutual insurance companies he re-
,srred 70 the remark o. Mr. Irema,n Yesterday
. fraud on the committee. and 70 his own reply
that they were got In by fraud.
Mr.. TRxAAIN-Will the gentleman allow me
question: A
Mr.. FRYE-No, sir; I will not.
fraud and then Will allow no answer. That Is
courage.
MI. FEY.- The charge was made when the gen.
tleman had an hour TO himself and had ample time
to answer 1t. trust that the mutual insurance
companies will be struck out OF the bill and that
will leave them on the same footing as the stock
insurance companies, TO be paid In case they lost
and only In case they lost. That Is where they
ought to be they are to be in the bin at all Now
tnat We have the money in our hands hope we
win do with 1t that which IS right, that which is
just and that which Is equitable.
Judiciary Committee. spoke In favor OF the substi.
tute reported by Mr.. Butler ana argued that the
would be to increase further the wealth Of those
who had speculated on the chances OF war and
made money as the national nag waned or won.
He denied that there was any ground for the as
sumption that the United States appeared at Ge-
neva IN the character OF claims agent. Referring
who supported the Butler substitute ne said he
should not shake his hOary locks or point his bOny
~ mane any IN ne easn o. shame .n
matter 1t should not be his check, but That 0l his
venerable friend ron Vermont.
substitute, and commented on the influence exer-
ctsed by those who represent large sums OF money.
ne da not mean TO say snas MS led
corrupt way; he believed the contrary; but it was
q TACT which constantly pressed Itself upon the
would never down. II 1t was beaten to-day,
It would mt its head tomorrow. Public opinion
yet 1t did not shrink. IL took advantage OF every
vacation, OF every recess OF Congress-, OF everv
OF it's claim. and put out It's ieeIers in every
direction. The case presented by the insurance
lew companies mad at stake S. 600 Or S.
They had been before one Congress and mad been
ANONYMOUSLY kicked OUT They had been beaten
In the House OF Representatives by more than two
TO one. and yet they would not stay deIeated
5nDc BxORBITANT INSURANCE. CLAIMS E
At three O'CLOCK, Mr.. Butter, OF Massachusetts,
rose to close the debate.
Mr.. POLAND complained that the time mad not
been fairly apportfoned TO the minority OF the COM
mittee, and asked Mr.. Butler to yield fifteen MN
utes TO Mr.. Beck OF Kentucky.
MIR. BUTLER declined to do 30 ana expressed hts
opinion that the minority OF the committee had
had more than their fair proportion of time.
Mr.. POLAND lsuavelyy ALLOW me word.
Mr.. BUTLER (lrmly)-NO, sir, viii not.
Mr.. POLAND (dOubtinglyD Are you sure you Will
notY N tS nas M M nm W
Mr.. BUTLER tpositivelyl Il am sure | win not.
Mr.. POLAND tpersistentiy) OF the Jour gen.
tlemen VINO signed the minority report are not
here.
Tne SPEAKER tafter a rood deal Of hammering)-
The gentleman from Vermont (Ar. Poland) Is not
in order. the rules give The gentleman from
Massachusetts, tMr. Butler) the no0r absolutely.
MIR. POLAND perfectly unrufied)-I am en-
deavoring to appeal to the gentleman's sense OF
Justice.
Mr.. BUTLER (bluntly)-I do not want any APP