The New York herald., 1874-12-05
DIR. DoLLlAGER.
An Interview with the Revolt
ing" Prelate.
His Views About Mr.. Gladstone's
Pamphlet.
THE AGE OF UNCERTAINTY.
He Explains His Relations with
Count Arnim.


MUNICH, Nov. Is Is74
II was my privilege yesterday afternoon to have
long and interesting conversation with DR..
Dolinger at his house. No. IL Won der Tam
strasse. found the aged Professor In good health
ana. having Just completed the perusal Of Mr..
0ladsione's pamphlet and having become some
what mixed up with the Bsmarck-Arnim adair,
more communicative than usual He is generally
very cautious in the expression OF mis- views TO
persons connected with the press, but yester-
day he permitted his words-especialy on the Glad-
stone topie-to dow without reserve. There was,
indeed a necessity for tnis in view OF Archbishop
Manning's charge. that Mr.. Gladstone had been
misled by his (Dr. D0llingers) statements; for
tits well known that Mr.. Gladstone spent two
weeks here in the past tall, when, besides sitting
for his portrait at Professor Lembach's, he had
many interviews with Won D0slinger. And the
following interview may be looked upon as con-
tanning the German Professors support OF the
Gladstone pamphlet. may add here that Ger
man version OF the English brochure Is to be pub-
hshed shortly in Nordingen. 1t is translated by
Munich professor. and will likewise contain
translation OF Lord Acons letter to Mr.. Gladstone.
THE PAMPHLET IN GERMANY.
Speaking OF the reception OF Mr.. Gladstone's
pamphlet here. Professor D0llinger said THE
many, anu especially IN Bavaria, and 1t Is very
curious that there is a certain hostility against
Mr.. Gladstone perceptible in the Augsburg Atlge-
naegne ZeitunO, which gives the tone to the South
German press. The Germans do not understand
the question OF ritualsm which occupies the at
tention OF the English so much; and since Glad
stone has written In favor OF ritualism their
prejudice against him is very visible In
Whatever they say about his new PAM
pnlet which has nothing to do at all
with ritualism. The fact is that Mr. Gladstone sees
clearly the great danger which the DEGREES OF the
Vatican Council Will produce IN Ireland and
Wherever there IS large Irish population, as In
Inc United States"
DoLLNGERs CRITICISM OF THE ENGLISH CoNsER.
vATIvE PRESS.
"The conservative papers OF England,n con-
rinued Profess Won DUlnger .snave generally
criticised the pamphlet very severely; but then,
It Is perfectly understood that when an ex-Prime
Minister writes anything it Is looked upon as q
political work-as step taken IN order to bring
himself into public favor again. and with view OF
obtaining again majority in Parliament. This Is
the way in whicn the conservatives interpret
whatever Mr.. Gladstone writes, and this, in my
opinion, ls quite unjust Mr.. Gladstone is q man Of
deep religious convictions, at the same time
good patriot, and he judges the situation or Eng
land and Ireland with the eye OF q statesman who
sees the dangers resulting vuln these same vati-
can DEGREES approaching. Nov, II the colserva-
tive papers had reflected on the way in which
Archbishop Manning has spoken publicly OF Mr..
Gladstone's pamphlet and on the Vatican DEGREES
they would, everybody does, l suppose, see
clearly tnat there is real political interest In the
matter and the great danger at the same time.''
THE uLTRAMoNTANE INFLUENCE IN IRELAND.
"You are aware that the entire representation
Of ireland Is utramontane and guided by the bish-
ops. the bishops receiving their directions from
Rome. or this Mr. Gladstone is perfectly well
aware, and know 1t from communications made
70 me by an Iish member. Wnen last year the
Irish Universally Dill was brought into Parliament
ny the Ministry, the whole ultramontane party
the Irish party-voted against 1t as one man. And
IL was perfectly well understood. and publicly
known. that this was by order OF the bishops. The
bin IN itself was so evidently great boon con-
ierred upon the Irish Catnocs-upon the lay body
OF the Irish Catholics-that It quite incompre-
hensiple at first how the Irish laymen in Parlia.
ment could vote against 1t, until it was understood
that the bishops had received orders II ON Rome TO
oppose is BY all the means In their power. so
hat now
THE STATE OF THINGS Is ACTUALLY THIS
Whenever In future the government of England
win nave something to arrange in Ireland It viii,
IN the last instance. entirely depend upon the
VIII be the behavior VI the bulk of the Irish popu.
arions. This had never come out 80 garingly
before. So that Mr.. Gladstone had Already Ielt
tne consequences OF the Vatican DEGREES ana OF
tnat new position which the Pope now takes in
the Roman Caurch; he fet " by his own expe.
risnee, for In truth the downan OF the Gladstone
Ministry was sealed by tue rejection OF the Uni
versity bill, as you know at that
time he had laid down his portfolio, and
II Disraeh had found 1t convenient to come
IN at taat time then the change OF Ministry would
nave taken place then; but as Disraell and the
conservative party did not wish 10 come In with.
out new elections Gladstone renamed and the
Ministry kept lts place till the new elections were
called. Then the Disraen Ministry came IN; so
that the true cause o. ihe change OF Ministry and
OF the downfaIl u The liberal party In England Is
10 be found Ia me rejection Of that irish Univer-
sitJ bill Though Nr. CIzGstone does no. say this
In his pamphlet ron may read 1. between the
lines; ana be says 20 In sery clear way, and
~ the same time als csavlesloa "a tsst In future
1t everJ new osportEElsy ;as sz12s ,.lnY vii be
repeated. The rsnaners ~ rsFlAas.r en-
tirsly dependent On fas ssssss. s41 sSs s1x.s1s
receive tnsg Instructions srsa. &1ss ssaaeeas..4y
from tns Iesusss ID fse .sas sasraaes.e
TIE coSsERvsTr7s ASD cGre.Ao,srsssx 1GEzAxcx-
There IL great danger av taagi.s. nsas.s,s
continued Won D1isnasr. IN 6ae 1rsas,ir acsss
ton OF parties. whenever sae conaa,,ssssss jassy
and the uismonsaos Elsn members rs,,e,v f,s
weRht OF their snifsd uso the seals= tasg ss.l
decide any important aieataogs snd cst, nass
majority and s,nce toe ai,Fa,pontse ,s.sg 10 ssi.s
nreiy ruled by Rome tns pope hes 90 !, 1onrs's
innuence In the intsTnai interests sod rlisstsors
OF English politics, rslen - avery SUING md
dangerous thing. An or5er asop tc,ae may
decide the most imDortang vote 10 nsclamenc.
SIMPLY because the pIrsmonrass ls,aa msrnssss
are ruled by tue bishops and tas ro1es As6 css
aliramontanes are united tssJ vofs On Al ecca
SONS as one man. There IA no party 10 tas Hoass
which is 50 united as the ultramonfane irish mem
oers. and all the Catholic lay members are ultra
moniane. Thsrsin lies the true danger and dinl-
eIlty o the sirlAt The pa m phlet or Mr.. Glad.