The New York herald., 1874-09-11
A Second Herald Interview with
the Bourbon Chief.
How He Would Govern In the Antilles
If Crowned at Madrid.
COMPLIMENTS TO THE HERALD"
What the Pretender Proposes
to Do for Spain.
AMNESTY AND FREEDOM.

He Would Be King UnSettered and
Then Bestow Liberty.
LEQUEITIo, August 20, 1874.
have had another conversation with Don
Carlos, during which he authorized me to make
the following statement OF his plans with regard
to Cuba:-
Ffrst-Amnesty and pardon to all tho rebels.
Seco'sd-The complete abolition Of slavery
within i've years.
Thtrd-He accords the great boon OF selfgov-
ernment. legislative body, freely elected by the
The relations between Cuba and the mother
country to be something resembling those between
Canada and England. He demands nothing but
allegiance and ieaty to Spain.
TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
But he will entertain no proposition looking to
cesson OF Spanish territory to any country, nor
Will he hear OF a separation OF Cuba from Spain
under any ciIcums tances. He says:-"Cuba has
been subject to such long period OF misrule;
she has always been plundered SO numerically by
Governors sent out from Madrid for the sole pur-
pose OF enriching themselves. and she is 50 far
away from the thercountry that she will never
again be reconciled except through an honest gov.
ernment devoted to the interests OF the people,
To prove that am In earnest when speak OF an
honest government, propose to give them SELF
government, which. II not honest 1t will be
their own fault l can do no more to prove my
sincerity"
Speaking Of promises he d:-"T have hitherto
been chary Of them to Cuba, as am still chary OF
them to Spain, because was not sure the circum-
stances would justify my fulfilling them. Now
hof nm viNco hot Enho ho Ina Cno,
unless she becomes reconciled, make these prom.
ises and mean 10 fulfil them"
WHAT DOES THE HERALD THINK
he here asked me what were the views OF the
HERALD on the Cuban difficulty.
The question was q somewhat embarrassing one
and mad to confess that the HERALD entertained
very strong opinions on the subject OF Cuba. He
then asked me If 1t represented the opinions OF
large class OF the American people. and here again
had to confess that on this subject, upon every
other, the HERALD represented the majority OF
the American people.
Seeing my embarrassment he remarked, with
smile, "well, whatever be our respective opinions
on this subject hope 1t need not lead to any want
OF cordially between the HERALD and myself"
assured him that once he had carried out the
reforms in Cuba just spoken of-the abolition OF
slavery and the establishment Of an honest gov
ernment, which would leave American citizens
unmolested in the peaceabe vocatons OF agri-
culture and commerce-the HERALD would be
appeased.
THE PLACE OF INTERVIEW.
The interview took place IN one of those large
Spanish country palaces that look much like
church. just outside Of Lequeltio. The room was q
large, fnc one on the first story, with windows
looking out on long, beautiful avenue Of trees,
leading down to the road which follows the wind
ings oil small river, that comes tumbling down
out OF the mountains and rushes, with leap, into
the ocean. Lying about on the grass beneath the
trees were Carst soldiers, with their
gay and picturesque uniforms. Some asleep,
some smoking cigarettes. some charing
the BASQUE peasant girls. who bring
them down from the mountains fruit
and milk. Altogether It was a quiet. pleasant
scene, reminding one little OF war. Coffee and
cigars we're now brought in BY q small negro boy,
dressed in scarlet, who must have been a twin
brother o Stanley's kalulu, and the Prince. who
said he was glad to have an occasional talk with
somebody from the outside world, resumed the
conversation.
SPEAKING TO THE sPANIARDs.
Speaking OF the prospects ne could hold out to
the Spanish people, he said:-"I would like to
promise Spain great deal In the way OF a liberal
and progressive government, but l am not sure OF
being able to fulfil any such promises. Things
impossible when I come to the throne.
But the word OF the King is sacred, and
the times are too uncertain. the circumstances
under which may arrive to power too various
and far beyond all human foresight for that word
to be lightly given. will not promise anything
may not be able to fulfil. however willing may be
to give the thing when the time comes. 1 would
like to give Spain constitution, a responsible
Ministry and many other things. But what
is the use OF promising? cut bono? Amadco
promised and could not fulfil, and being q
king and ge,atalhomnle, mad 10 abdicate to avoid
breaking his word. 1t was all that was LETT him to
do. II allowed my hands to be tied up by prom
ises would be obliged to do the same. No. in.
tend to give lar more than promise l intend
to give Spain liberal and q free government. /
shall bear In mind the end OF all government, the
Ireedom prosperity and happiness OF the people,
or-as you Americans put 1.-THE greatest good
for the greatest number. But reserve to myself
the consideration OF the means to be adopted to
obtain that end.
RESOLVED FOR THE BEST.
III ! md 1t can oest be procured By . consttu-
tion, responsible Ministry and all the other mod.
ern appliances, shall adopt them. There are a
few principles which are eternal and unchange-
able; these principles l VIII maintain at all
hazards. But outside OF these is wide field for
action, and here l shall adapt my plans and my
means to the surrounding circumstances. will
be disposed to compromise questions not es-
sentia, in order to meet modern views, ideas and
progress"
"You spoke Of constitution. Does Your MAI.
esty believe IN constitutionsY' asked.
~ believe In constitutions like that OF England,
constitution that has grown up with the nation
during centuries; constitution that is natural
outgrowth OF the national character, with which
the government, laws, institutions, feelings of the
nation and the framework OF society are so closely
bound up that yon cannot take 1t away without