National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-02

sir; at any rate, 1t would defeat the ends Of
BIZ Mr.. Stewart: Q. You say that that would
criminste you to state what the scheme was
q. It would subject you to criminal punish-
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. Lat me ask you ques-
ton or two about this letter: 81 presume j
shall be compelled TO put In an appearance be-
fore the committee, but somebody will be
sorry" that has reference 70 matters under In
vestigationi A. No, sir; that has reference 70
my wife. He had written about my wife. !
had been away go long, and she Is very nef-
vous at the present time. Thatis all that had
reference to.
Q. So that had no connection with thisf A.
No, sir.
Q. Well, aput in an appearance before the
toni A. expsetit did. - -. -
Q. "But somebody will be sorry" that, you
say, has no connection and no reference 70 tnis
Investigation A. Well, his letter would explain
that. He wrote about my being In the country,
q. Let US see the letter, A. You cannot fnd
q. Why Why did you destroy IT. A. What should
q. Why did yOrdsstrvy it, A. destroy all
o. why did you destroy that onsf A. have
no particular reason for destroying 1t.
sut % zee Notsins
q. II am perfsctins . scheme that viii, ex.
that has no refsfeaeste this Investigation, you
q. 81 think Mac made an ass Of himself,r that
has referenSe 70 this inyestigation- has III 4.
d, Does that have reference TO this inyestiza-
tion2 A. That has particular reference.
e. 81 do not know What vi chi.ssndsn viii Say;
humble servant" that has reference to thisinves-
tigatien, has II, and to your testimony hsref A.
Q. "You cannot tell, you know. I bought the
Sum- but failed to ind that interesting column de.
voted daily to the board Of public plumber"
the heading OF the column. It has reference 70
this investigation, or to TIE Board oil Fuoiio
Works.
bubble Of this city for the loss Of the Washington
letter." that has reference to this investigation,
q. II S4 nGWhsFo Il Ptrticular and everywhere
in general nowadays" What does that have
TOT A. That has reference to me par
Q. Does il have any reference to your keeping
q. None whateyerf A. No, sir.
their subpoena befSre now" What docs that have
reference tor A. / expected subpens from here
two months ago, but It did not come. Ny wife
q. '.But viii soon feel Ike rising 10 explain
nv positIon?" A Well, I think have.
BY the Chairman: Q. You think You have ex-
Plainodf 4. presume will have to before
q. So You have put into this Ietter-right in
the bedy OF IT. and ia one ssnteuce-some matters
hat appertaln to this investigation and some mat
tiers that have no connection with II whatever;
that is 4 fact, sit2 A. That Is a fact, as have
O. What was the suejoct,of wilcox's letter to
you? A. Well, II was general letter. He had
some interest in New York.
z. lie had? A. Yes SIR.
he In New York; A. He is engaged In g land
improvement company In Brooklyn, at the navy
q. Associated with you In INTEREST," A. No;
not directly. l am not directly interested In It
q. Have you and he had any other interests TO-
gether in this cItyT A. No, sir. q.
Q. Have you had any interest together in con-
necriOn with a certain Indian matterf Q. No,
O. None whatever A. None whatever, sir.
BY the Chairman: Q. Wherein do you think
Mcclellan made an ass Of himselff A. think
he has ruined htmssf IS contractor and bis
not do good work, and he has acknowledged It.; Z
By Mr.. HubbeIl: Q. II think Mac made an ass
of himself; do not know what Ohittenden Will
humble servant"-that is all In one SENTENCED A.
Oh, 1 do not remember what he said to me, but II
was MeolsIlan.s testimony; They fslt very sore
the contract. knew both ofthem we're incsnsod:
BY Mr.. Stewart: @. You got those notes and
tried TO negotiate them in New York; A. Yes,
q. Did. YOU 60 to bank there to negotiate
them? a. Yes, sir. -
& Co., In Wall street, and to the Central NatfOlaI
8. To any other placer A. Yes: I went to
note broker on Broad street-Bogsrt; tried very
q. Then you went to ChIeagof A. Yes, sir.
q. How did you happen % fad Mr.. HOlmes-
PRODUCTION rom the bank in Albany.
Q. You tried to negotiate them In Albany, did
you = A. believe I did.
Q. Then you went out and met Mr.. Holmes.
Did you see anybody else In Chieagof A. saw
some of my friends there.
O. You told them there you had the notes
showed the notes to them, all around A. No,
Q. You told them You had them, and tried to
negotiate themf A. No, / do not know as did
that. made friendly calls; only went to the
oank-and to Holmes bank
@. But you went to New York, Albany and
rot think tried to dispose Of any in Albany. I
Knew there was nobody there that would take any
such amount Of money.
@. You did not make 1t any secret that you had
he notes? A. No, sir; not at all.
Q. Did you not know that negotiating these
notes would necessarily lead to the fact that Jon
.or2 A. statedthe fact that 1t was bonus.
Q. That you had received them from contrac-
tor as bonus for your services A. Yes, sir;
stated that fact to every bank that won't to.
Q. That you received them as D bonus for nego-
tiating a contract in Washington A. Yes, sir.
q. Wbomdfd you state that to. that you received
them as q bonus? A. do not know: but to any
body that thought it was singular that should
O. They ali thought that 1t was singularf A.
Yes, sir; my having 80 much Of one class OF pa
q. And you told them that you received them
Is bonus from q contractor whose contract you
ID natl aa faId han
that. told them It was bonus paid for con-
tract. did not say that got 1t or who got It.
Ny name does net appear on the notes
have no part Of that bonusf A. None whatever,
q. No member of the Board Of Public Works
ny notes absolutely. ] considered myself the
sntire owner OF them, to act and do just az
pleased with them. None Of them ever pronted
q. Did they not all think It was very strange
hat there should be this large bonus Of t72 900 In
your hands Of notes for obtaining contractH A.
q. Was 1t not the necessary Inference that
must have been corrupted A. Oh, /
O. II Governor Shepherd did not get any por-
lion Of this did you not know that this was Q
great outrage upon him TO be taking these notes
around as . bonus! A. do not know why Gov
@. Have not the newspapers taken It a.
necessary consequence, and charged the Board OF
PUBLIC WORKS Win c0rruptl0nI do you not
know that was the necessary consequence II q
man came to you with SO, 900 Of notes for Q con-
tract that he had negotiated would you not think
here was something wrong about 1T A This
measure passed through Congress, and there was
! large smount Of money used. Is the inference
President Grant got any Of 1T
O. That makes no difference. Did You not
.hink 1t tended to degrade the Board OF Public
Worksf A. No, sir, did not.
q. You did not think sol A. No, sir; and DO
rot see why It should. II these men did not do
heir work properly they ought to have stopped
q. You did not tell them that this money was
coming to you Individually but that II was bonus
for getting the contract that had been negotiated
here in Washington A. When sold the notes
had to be Identified as the owner Of the notes be-
fore the man would buy them.
Q. You were identified by Holmes as the owner
Of the notes? A. Yes, sir.
@. And you told him that they were the bonus
for the negotiation Of . contract? A. told him
that they were q bonus for q contract.
O. Did he ask you TO whom the money was 60
Ing! A. No, sir.
o, You say that act could have been done with
put any injustice to Governor Shepherd or the
board? A. think so; am sure did not wish 10
njure them.
Q. You are confident that that act Of itself was
not the ryost terrible injury, without being az
planned? A. cannot see It 10 that light a. an.
BY MIR. Bass: q Did you know Mcclellan here
In Washington? A. 1 met him; yes, sir.
Q. Did you converse with him9 A. Yes, sir.
@. He knew your relation to Chittenden, did
hei A. do not know anything about that; We
never had any conversation with regard to that.
@. Did you ever 20 TO Governor Shepherds
store in company with Mr.. Chittonden to see COL
lnel Moore? A. don't remember Of ever going
there with him; no, SIR. 1 think he has stopped