National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-18
DISTRICT INVESTIGATION.

o. When did you first reach Washington
CITY upon this businessi A. think II was
some time In January, 1877:
nom Philadelphia A. think came here by
q. was either Mr.. DeGclyer or Mr.. McCls,-
Ian with you at the tinei A. They did not
come, MI. Mcclellan did not come here to
Washington with me, but was here very soon
Q. Did they know whsn you ieis Chicago,
khat you were coming to Washington with
fieW TO securing paving contractsi a. res
asl q. And you came at their request A. Yes,
-l-e O.. Was this agreement that you had with
DeGolyer & Mcclellan for onethird OF the
profits, in writingi A. 1t was. :
Q. Have you q copy of i'll A. That agree
meHt "a II Chicago. have not copy OF IT,.
e 20. That applied to the paving in tins eityt
{ a. That applied to the paving in all the East
: - O. Including this cityi Al Yes, sir. {"
100 O. Then any expenses that were paid by the
sf1irm Of DeGolyer & Mcclellan in securing this
eontrsct of course woald be deducted from
your gross proftsl A. Save personal expenses,
whatever were the personal expenses I was to
pay myself; individual expenses. 2 Z.
Q. That Is 10 say, you were TO pay your own
2 expenses while securing these contracts In the
East A. The personal expenses. -
~ Q. You say that when you came to Washing
ton you found forty -one competitorsi A. Yes,
=, Q. That was in January, 1921 A. The fact
of there being forty-one competitors may have
come to my knowledge later, in February. !
think came here aud went away at first.
ii Q. How did those competitors present them
selves TO youi Where did you see themi A. /
did not see them, sir. 1t was stated to me that
these competitions were here. o.. -r- DO
@. Did this competition consist Of forty-one
different patent paNemertsi A. so understood
1t; yes, s.r. - ...-s- ....l.'-. ..-.". -a.
You were coming in competition, then,
with those various partiesf A. Yes, sir.
Q. When did you first see Mr.. huntingdon
A, think 1t was in February. 5 -1lE
O.. You were here month before you met
thini A. I may have gone away. Think
came to Washington and went away, and when
: came back saw Mr.. Huntington. g ..a
O. Who did you sec on your first VISIT A. /
I, Go not know that understood the question ex-
8 Rctly r-s.a .1grf t--.-- ..yI
20. You came here to Washington with a
1 view Of securing permanent eontracn A,
: Yes, sir. fss am So =
a. How did YOU begin that work. Who did
you first see upon this subject A. As soon as
entered into active operations in securing this
contract ! saw Mr.. Huntington. Whether 1t
was upon the first visit to Washington or the
second cannot say. 1 think went to Phils-
: ID. You state that DeGolyer & Mcclellan
passed over 10 you q letter which they received
from man by the name Of COombsi A. Yes,
sir. 80 -. -r-5
-. q. When you came here, did you visit himl
A. rdid not, sir. ."..... ..f.
b. You had no conversation with himi A.
Not at all. - -. a. ~ 49, - -.
- o. Why was your attention directed TO Mr..
Huntingtoul A. Mr.. DeGolyer at the time
that he presented this letter Of Mr.. Coombs in
Chicago to me, an inducement TO come to
Washington, informed me that had better see
Mr.. Huntington when I arrived here, or soon
thereafter. 80 -- .--
O. When did YOU first see Mr. Kirtlandi A.
think saw Mr.. Kirkland very soon after my
arrival in Washington, the second time. He
was stopping at the Arlington.
Q. That is in February A. think in Febru-
airy; yes, sir.
q. DID you see Mr.. Kirkland before you saw
Mr.. Huntington or Afterwardl A. saw him
afterward.
Q. But about the same timei A. Mr.. Kirt-
land was then OF the hotel. ] saw Mr.. Kirt-
land frequently, but never spoke of any busl-
ness to Mr.. Kirkland until after Mr.. Hunting
tons death. .-- ed ... r..s.- .
Q. State how you come to talk with Mr..
Kirkland upon this subject. What caused you
TO speak to himl A. Amer Mr.. Huntington's
death was anxious. Twas more than anxious
preached me and said that he had influence in
Washington and could assist me getting that
contract. or could secure it for me.
~ Q. What did you say to him In reply to that
A. stated to him that ] was here for that
purpose; that would be very glad Of any as
sistance that could be rendered.
Q. What did he sayl A. He said that he
would take hold of the matter at q bonus. 1
think We had some negotiations in regard TO
the cents per square yard. II was finally
agreed that thirty six cents per square yard
should Re paid in case got the contract of
200, 900 square yards. -.--
@. Do you remainder why you dxed upon
thirty-six ccntsl Do you remember the cir
cumstances that led to that precise amount
4. think it was simply the result Of negotia-
tons. think he wanted more and wanted
to pay less. .- 49,.
A. Finally agreed upon that amount; yes, sir.
Q. Was that to be in money; how was he to
be psidl a. said to him that wanted the
best terms possible; that Is, have specified
time to do It In, and wanted time enough to
pay those notes out Of the proceeds Of the con-
tract; or time enough to make the payment
out Of the proceeds Of the contract.
Q. Which he sssented toll A. Which he as
scented to.
Q. How did you make the acquaintance of
Mr.. Kirtlandl A. At the Arlington house-st
the hotel. .
o. CASUALLY A.. Casually at first, sir.
Q. You had not known him beforei 4. / had
not, sir.
g. Was he recommended to you by any onei
A. He was not at all. -. =.
q. At no timel A. No, sir.
Q. Have you any knowledge Of his relations
to people in this city, personal or otherwisei
A. Nothing except from his own statement.
O. You had no knowledge except from his
own statement A. That Is the only knowledge
] had. .a..s
Q. Now Just tell. us what he said to you as
to his relation with people in this cityi A. He
said that he had influence here, and that he
could secure that contract.
Q. What influence did he say he hadi A. He
did not describe what influence he had; he did
not state what influence he had.
~ Q. Did he say that he knew Governor Shep-
herdi A. He did not.
Q. Governor Cooked A. No, sir.
@. Any member of the Board Of Pnblic
Works. A. No member Of the Board Of Public
Works.
! @. He simply said to you that he had inau-
enee here5 A. Yes, sir; my arrangement with
him was contingent upon the award and hence
the proof Of his influence would be getting the
award.
@. Did you make that arrangement with any
one else except Mr.. Kirkland! A. ] made
contingent arrangement with Mr.. William Cal
vim Brown. -.s.-
~ Q. Did Mr.. Kirkland ever tell YOU what he
was doing TO aid In securing that eoutractl A.
He would see me from time to time, and say
that things were progressing.
@. How did he say that things were progress
ingi A. FaYorsbly 70 the award of the con-
tract; to the securing Of the contract.
Q. Did he tell you 10 whom he had spoken
upon that subjecti A. No, cir; he did not.
Q. He at no time mentioned 70 you any name
Of any person with whom he was IN negotiation
or consultation upon that subject A. He may
have mentioned the name of Mr.. Page, but tina:
fe the only one that know of.
Q. He may have, but did hel A. believe
he did, sir, to the best Of my recollection.
Q. What did he say about Mr.. Pagef A.
He thought Mr.. Page had some influence, also.
@. Did he say he had secured 1T
Witness. That Mr.. Page had secured TT
Q. That he, Kirkland, had secured the infiu-
encs Of Mr.. Pagei A. At one time think he
did say that Mr.. Page was helping him.
@. He mentioned no other name TO you'll A.
To the best Of my recollection no other name
q. II he had you would recollect it, would
youi A. think should, SIR.
@. You were devoting your whole attention
TO this businessi A. Ny entire time. e. 1 --
Q. Watching It carefully A. Watching It
very carefully. p - 3
9. He mentioned no other name TO you ex-