National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-25


9, Signed by youi A. Yes, sir. sla s5'al
Q. Do you mean to say they are falsef A. ]
am sorry to say cannot indeed say right or
left, you know. Laughter = -.
Q. Then, you cannot state whether they are
true or falsei A. In as far as they are copies
from our records in the Office Of the engineer
department, Il know they are true; but as far as
these estimates are concerned, since the Gov
ernor's answer have had my eyes opened in
such way that the confidence had IN the
engineer assistants who prepared and laid these
papers before me is SO shaken that am ashamed
TO have signed anything like them. II was laid
before me by the assistant not under my con-
troll, who made up these papers.
Q. Then, what do you think Of your answer
to this question:
@. You had nothing to do with the Government
measurements, IL ! understood your A. No;
nothing whateyer.
nowl A. had nothing to do whatever but
through courtesy to the Governor signed Ger.
tain papers officially made by the assistants,
under his special knowledge.
Q. Do you near to say that Mr. Shepherd
ever saw those papersl A. do not say that
he did. I do not say that he did not.
Q. Did you not send them to Mr.. Willard
A. / could not recollect.
Q. Is not your letter addressed to Mr.. Will
lardl A. Oh, yes, sir; it seems 90.
@. Are not those the vouchers you referred
to In that letter. A. could not saw, tell
you it would take close comparison.
Q. Any one would not be blamable for pre-.
summing you did know something about these
measurements when they find your name
signed to the mass Of papers relating to themi
A. That is, am afraid all these papers were
made to mislead Congress-in fact Congress
would take
O.. Then you have SIGNED the papers made
to mislead Congress, have youi Al have
stated that these papers, you know, were
signed by me as courtesy to the Governor,
who sent those voluminous papers to me.
Q. Did the Governor send those papers to
you for signaturc3 A. 1t is the only time that
saw Mr.. Oertly and Mr.. Same, and they came
to me about anything.
Q. Did the Governor send them to youi A.
/ do not know whether he Is on record. He is
too smart to 90 on record in these things.
Q. Did the Governor send them to youi A.
could not recollect.
Q. hyou will answer my question you will
get along much easier. A. cannot recollect
it; It is too far back.
Q. Do you know that these papers were sent
to you by Mr.. Willard, with letter of the 18th,
TO which yours is an answer? A. Mr.. Willard
is entirely unacquainted with these facts
Q. am asking you about your knowledge,
not Mr.. Wizards knowledge. Did not these
papers come to you, and that letter dated 18th
November, signed by Willard A. do not
think they came to me with that letter.
MIR. Stewart. Have you got that letter herei
Mr.. Mattingly. No, sir; not here just now;
1t is being copied. But the letter is in answer
to that of the 18th.
By Mr.. Mattingly: Q. If you will take up
the Governors answer there, the list of con-
tracts there on pages 1877 and 33S you did not
sign, understand you to sayi A. am pretty
sure did not sign them.
Q. Did you not say If your name was there
1t was forgeryl A. l said you called it so.
@. And you adopted itl No response.]
Q. State whether that Is your signaturei
Handing witness paper.l A. 1t seems to be
my signature.
Q. What have you got to say about It now;
is it forgeryl A. I repeat merely that the
system in vogue by the Board of Public Works
is apt to catch any one in these measurements.
Mr.. Mattingly. That will hardly do, Mr..
Cluss. A. will repeat that the most i'm
portant document In here-that which relates
to money; these, I am sure, did not sign. 1
Governor Shepherd. Answer as you go along,
please. We have got plenty Of them for you.
This paper that is now shown you has Just
been obtained from the Government Printing
Office. 1t was the original paper that was sent
there when my answer was being printed. It
will be found on page SSs Of the printed
volume. - !. ---.-r-5- - ..'- : -.
g. Is that your signaturei A. Yes, sir; that
is my signature. ~ ~.
The following is the paper alluded to as
contained on page SS7 of the Governors
answer:
List Of Contracts, &C. of the Board Of Public
WOrks-Contnued.
No. 1852, Feb. g. ls74-To clean the R-street sewer
from r street northwest to
New Jersey avenue, Syl-
ranus Gleason, contractor.
No. 1882 Feb. 4, 1S74-To clean the Eighth-street
sewer from r street north
west to Grant avenue, Syl-
p vauus Gleason, contractor.
OFFICE OF CONTRACTS AND SUPPLIES,
BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS, Feb. II, 1874.
WIN. X. NoTT, Contract Clerk.
have examined the above list, and certify to
the correctness of the same.
ADOLF CLUss, Chief Engineer.
WASHINGTON, Feb. "A, 1874.
Q. Is this your signaturei Handing wit |
ness original of statement as it appears on
page $751; A. That is my signature. IThe
following is the paper referred to on page