The New York herald., 1874-07-27
NEW YORK HERALD MONDAY H. 1s74-wTH SUPPLEMENT-


which Elizabeth has been insane; she is not insane
2. Mr. Tlton, you have quoted the letters Of
your wiie here to prove what the character OF your
nome was In the beginning OF 1858 ana through
loosY A. quoted them TO show what tt was nre-
vlous 10 her surrender to him.
Y. You have stated, MIR. nlton, that there were
acts oil criminality. first AT Mr.. Beecher's house
and secondly, at your own house: do Won pre,end
TO have personal knowledge OF those actss A
Only the knowledge OF Mrs. Tton's conlession-
that Is all was absent at the time.
Y. MIR. Moulton was IN college with you? A. Yes
sir.
Q. He has always been your friend from Your col.
lege dayss A. Yes, SIR and hope he VIII be TO the
O. Your novel is dedicated to him A. Yes but
he has not done me the honor OF realing it; will
never Dedicate another.
O. You say that you had not reported this scan
dal TO the Woodruff women or woman; but you do
not deny that you had frequently spoken harshIy
OF Mr.. Beecher TO her A. on, not harshiy; l
with view to have her do no harm TO him; ex-
pressed my opinion about him.
q How came she and Mr.. Beecher TO have an in
terview 7 A. | do not remember the clrcunl-
stances; I think Frank Moulton devised IL; Mr..
Beecner had number OF interviews with her at
O. Was not the object to get Mr.. Beecher CON-
mtted to her views OF ree lover A. No; TO her
views OF the fourteenth an / fifteenth endment Us
OF woman,s suffrage NJ. Butler and championed
1t, and we'wanted Mr.. Beecher to do the same
q Was 1t not to get him to preside at Steinway
Hailg A. That was not at my house. but at
Frank's think at mine it was in regard to the
fourteenth and hiteenth amendments
a. Well an EFFORT was made to get him TO preside
there and Introduce her AT Steinway Hall. ana an
exposition Of this scandal was threatened il ne did
not preside thereY A. Frank received letter
from Colonel Blood that he thought was q threat (;
II angered Frank good deal.
BY Mr. WinslOw-Did you see the letter from
Colonel Blood, IN which it was threatened that
this scandal would be exposed n Mr.. Beecher aid
not think that Is SO; IL IL was did not Know it;
| do not thlnk there was any truth IN IT,.
z. Mr.. Beechcr had been importnned to preside,
had he notY A. Yes: there came a note from
Colonel Blood about the WoOdhulls not being re-
celved in some hotel; they said 1t was because
they were unpopular, and they wanted Mr..
Beechers helps there was some thing in the letter
which Frank regarded as unhandsome, and knew
about IT, and said 1t looked like backmail; it was
one OF the first Indications Of their attempting to
use us.
O. DO you not know that Mr. Beecher was
threatened that in case he ana not preside at that
meeting this scandal should be published A. 1t
is the first time that have ever heard it sug.
gested.
@. Was he not threatened by Mrs. Woodruff
A. Not tuat have any knowledge OF.
Beecher to preside at the Stelnway Hall meeting
@ 90 and M m t%a
should not make the publication A. Precisely
so we did not know that there was to be publ.
cation; we wanted to keep her on our side, and
DO 1t; her husband had spent a consId.
cradle length OF time TO devise this Stem
way Hall speech; what 1t was ABOUT do not
know; she gave me and Frank the proofs, and he
II was our tOly that we did not, for l might have
known what was in that speech; she wanted Mr.
ever unpopular She was he might 90 and An preside
and sketched a little sort 0fa speech and think
Frank sketcned one, that, If he could see his way
Is woman who is going to speak She will prob
ably speak on what yon do not believe; but that is
is is because 'D disagree With viii II her "e'iau tha.
would introduce her. ike free. speech.
TO MIN that he able to carry little speecn OF
that sort, and felt that he went and presided t
would put her under the same obligation to him
as ancied that l had put her under to me in
writing her biography; considered that had se-
cured cured her good VIII oy writing that and other
some signal service OF that kind, which be could
do and which would be noted as such, 1t would fix
her under gratitude, and we would ali be fixed;
Frank mad done her some service; Frank had been
very friendly to her; he had done her many
vices and ne had great respect Tor her.
q. You pressed that argument On Mr.. Beecherp
A. Yes and Frank also.
Q. AS matter OF safetyY A. Yes; said
''Thnk IT over, and If you find that you can, 90
and do it."
q. DO you know whether the letter from Colonel
Blood had been received at that timer A. do
q. MIR. Beechen rejected your arguments and re-
fused TO presde2 A. He did not refuse but said
that II ne saw his way clear he would come and
q. But he did no. let you know A. he did not
q. And you presided unsteady A. did not want
to be.
O. Although the proofs were in your hands and
a,
know; the proofs had been brought 20 Frank's
study; may have had the idea that they were Tor
MR. Beecner to see the speech; hut It was not the
terected remarks In response to the audience; she
said violent things
q. Had you written her life at that time9 A.
Z. What other things had you done to put ner
under obligationsY A. will tell You what did; ; |
wrote that idea OF the Fourteenth and fifteenth
amendments, and spent three OF the sodest weeks
OF my lie IN working 1t Into an argument and
printing It into tracts 1t was her idea but she
did not know how to expose 1t, and worked it up
in one OF the elaborate pieces OF writing that
ever did that was one OF the great services; the
second was the writing OF sketch; then, also,
when senator Carpenter attacked that proposition
O. You went to the meeting yourself and deb.
erateiy Intended to .goY A. No, did not; Frank
came TO the GOded Age office; 1t ralned and IL was
late, haIpast seven O'Clock. and went to see who
was to preside; there was no expectation that
would preside at ALI we got there at zen minutes
to eight O'Clock, and the crowd was great that
we could not get In at the front way, and we went
there was MRS. Woodruff, nushed and excited
! because there was not q brave man in the
circle OF the two cities TO preside at her meeting;
Mr.. Beecher did not come, and one or two others
that had been invited were not there; she elt that
there was no courage IN men, and she was going
on alone, and sad, II will preside at your meet
lng;" 1t was not more than ten minutes;
do not beheve five minutes, fOrethought went
on the platform and made q few remarks and in
trOduced her; that was the way it came about.
z. You quote letters from your wife IN 1865 to
show the anection she bore you at that time, and
then you say that in 1870 you thought You dlscov
| cred that her mind was absorbed IN Mr. Beecher
to too great an extent. Between the beginning Of
1858 and the spring OF 1870 had there been any act
on your part calculated to disturb the happiness
OF your home or ALLEVIATE the affections Of your
wileY A. Not that remember
q. Had there been affection OF o marked
character existing between you and another lady
which was calculated to disturb the happiness OF q
! wileS A. No. think not
Here followed q series OF circumstantial inGui.
res concerning MIR. TltOns relations with differ-
| ent women, and equally crcumstantiai denials on
his part OF anything improper, or OF any connec-
ton between these stories and his wifes estrange-
ment from him.
you, and that that was one OF the reasons why Mr..
Bowen discharged your A. cannot say what