, 1874-04-14

| Mf. MoUurE-ls not tho afkiolo read sufficient
| ~ clear?
Tho Moderator madc no reply bcyond rappina
OIL tho dosk with hta gavcl, ,niany OF tho mtnlaera
and laymon having jumped up, aud ondoayored
Nj. Moolure-1 think tho documents should
bo put III tho hnfitla Of tho party charged rathor
than the judiciary conlml.too. Tic rule road ia
Pr. swazeY-The simple object In roforrine It
Is TINT tho Committee might SOC whether 1t IL In
A p1LArony MOTION,
hfr. 1!urd-I 1novo to amond by addinr tho
words, and tho Committee aro instructed to
report At tho adjourned meeting Of tho Prcsby-
lory, my % 1ao 70 place copy OF tho pnpor In tho
The hlodorator-vshut do you understand by
s9o M adjourned M meoting Of tito Prosbytory 7''
air. Hlrd-Tho meeting to bo held In tho
sogo,'d o, rresbyterian Church. [Tho prosbytery
meot n"a n fot Tnon oro i adjourned to oioun to
Mr. Trowbrldgo-f hope tho amendment will
not pnsa. II understand the import Of 1t, 1t
prevents tho Committee from reporting to US tho
me- easres TO 10 puraued-to report whether these
It sonda things forward too far. That Commit
too, If understand tie amendment, would havo
to report Mt tho noxt mccting and then thoro
would havo to be rnother adjournment III order
tint thoir report might bo aotod upon and tho
parties know what thoy havo to do; and, Of
course. Prof. Swing would ho entitled to further
ti1na to know precisely w1Rt oourRo to pursue. I
may 10 wrong, but It Boama to mo tho Committee
could report tomorrow [this] morning whethor
tho papors aro in ordor and what is to bo dono
In order to carry the thing forward In proper
way
pn. swAzEy-.
I hopo tho amendment will not pass. So fur
as we know, tho chnrgos arc frivolous. do not
NOM to imply TINT thoy are; but moan In .
loyal point Of view We havo no countenanco OF
them; Tho security Of tho Prcsbytory, aud an
orderly method Of proceeding, aro secured ii
these papers go into tho hands Of tho judiciary
Committee, who aro supposed to be qualified to
adviBo what NO shall do with then, whether wo
slall tako them up Mt another meeting, or at any
osllor time, and what disposition shall be made
| Of them. THIS ig the ordinary usage, and there
should bo no question In regard to It.
do not wish to tako up tho tiue Of the Pres
bytory, but 1t Boems to mo tho amendment
should pass. In mastors SO grave na this, moth
Ny impression Of tho action Of tho prosbytory
this morning was. that it's adjourned meotiug
was to DO hold before q very long timo, and
mado my anaondmont IN ordor tint tho matter
why tho matter SHOULD tako tho shape indicated
by tho amendment
- REPORT At ONCE.
MIR. Trowbridge-1 move, as. mn amend-
ment M that sao.4 tho Committee r.;, b. request
Ing, for tho simple roaaon 't That i@' tho
result may not DO colorod ono way Or tho other
by pling mooting on meeting. It iB not with
reference to any delay, but only to provant the
multiplying Of meetings, and +ho prolonglng Of
prolonged.
The original motion ID the proper one: The
Committee ought to report upon these charges
Of once. not having much to do, andl do not why
It is necessary to wait weok, or two, or three,
60f1f1 mnkjnu 4 r6r1fE. Tt wnn1H
much out OF tho why to put tho charges into tho
hands Of tho accused before tho Committee lad
roported that thoy were in order. It seemB to
no TINT tho t1rat thing, to do before. tho
accused is for tho Committee to report
upon thom-whether they are In order,
and in their Judgment proper to be
entertained By tho lrosbpysery, leaving tho Pros
mendation as they think proper in tho promises.
aus. K1TTREDaE-
would suggest, II the brother who offered the
Hocond amendment will accept It, that the Com-
tho accond order [ordor Of businesB1 tomorrow
morning. 1t aaems to mo very important that
tho time. be known. Many Of tho Eldors are
business mon, and cannot DO away al day to-
complete pregbytory when this matter shall be
reported upon. And I suggest, and Brother
TroWbri1go informs mo that ha will accept it,
that the Committee bo requested to report na
sA0 nQGOA4 OAAG@. L UollGF6 EAH1N lA Aul4 NA0
order for Tomorrow morning.
PROF. PATTON
Will tho Presbytory indulge mo in ono word on
tho question? Tho objections which have beep
made seem to bo pertinent to case altogether
different from this. II theBo were charges haBed
npon common theory, and acted al your COM
nittee, it would bo perfectly. proper that you
should determine to accept. tho report Of your
committee and prosecute the charges. You may
60 os hai with sa Ror aS15 Or { ny Tho sana Judiciary
me, this ia an entirely different case. Icomo
before you on my own responsibility. I write q
courteous letter to you and ask leaye to
prefer certain. .ohargea., road thom. They
oompetont for tbis frosbytory to grant mo Leave
to prosecute those chargos hero and on tho'spot.
am perfectly aware Of tho responsibility which
ia involved in this caao. You are entirely aeour-
cd BY the language Of our book, when you re-
mind mo TINT, iu answering this responsibility, I
lay mysolt open to tho charge OF having a1ander-
cd Gospel minister. sec no reason for my
de1ay Of further action than that which Ia pro-
the subject OF tho Judicinry Committee, but
simply that, the charges being road, copy shall
be given to the accused; the accused shall then
hsk for such timn as NAV bo necessary in
order order thet lie may prepare his do
person to nssiAt him in tic Preparation Of his
dofonse. The thing can nll be done in FIVE min
ntea, And, while mn On tho floor, lot mo say
this: suppose h1r. Swing will want tho ton days
OF tho book As tho prosecutor in this case,
think We shall not BIO able to enter upon 1t III
30 short a time as ton days.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT wlrNEsaEa
4 the Rey. Robort Laird Collier, and he la in
until wo in nono way get Ills teetimony,
Nov: It ia question Of very great 1nonent tint
no should agree as to tho modo whereby that
Testimony Is to be- taken. The book provides
for only one way,-that . commission, consist
ing Of two ministers, be aont to tho spot whoro
tho witness resides, and tako his testimony
thero. Il we do that, It will involve grcat deal
of expenso and II will take great deal OF time.
II we wait until Mr. Collier comes buck, anl IL
! ablo to givo his Testimony, We shall have to.
poBTpoNE, THE oABE UNTIL nEpTEMpER.'
Now, it 11r, Swing would waive the qucasion
as to the molo whereby thia Testimony should
DO taken, and consent that tho testimony OF h1r.
Collier should ba taken In tho form Of q depesi-
! ton in the presence Of any ono competent to
tako evidence, we might shorten the prooeaB
! and bo able to reach result in something loss
than two months. But 500 no roaaon! what
eyer, Mr. Moderator, for tho action Of tho judi
nfn ri I'm .rt1,