National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-05


any sewer that had been constructed prior TO the
Board Of Works coming INF A. think dio
Q. This sewer see at the end Of this paper
marked ''C"-the Gantz & Appleman's sewer
what sewer IL that? A. That is street sewer
urement CHARGED he Government was the same
s that paid by the board. less this portion "ners
one sixth has been deducted.
O. There never was any difference then: a
There was no average Of spy assumption there.
O. Is that q four-ioot severn A NO, SIR tnat
vi Hs va you embrscod In this statement the
street in.sfsecting sewer: A. It Includes All
sewers; those sewers which were charged In the
Sbese wee dejucted II would no: change any
thing in the aggregate figures. The same deduc-
-tiun would be on both sides
sewer charged to, the Government? A. No, sir;
sstne portions-one-sixth-ean OF, and that Is
q. What have been your duties in the once:
A. have had particular charge OF the inside
business offhe engineers Office,
regard TO- your EorSf q. From the ' chief engi.
neer or engineer in charge. -. .-r-. .. 81
Q. WHO'S thAtf a. Mr.. Cluss; as long as he
Q. Did you always get your instructions from
Mr.. Cluss, or did You act OF any time under an z
body's else instrpedonse a. Well, Il Is possl pc i
some particular duty, and would attend 20 ~.
q. Oaa you remember any Parae9isr guiana ms1s ysI
weTe oTeCsSo 70 e, % cSSrSes Should
have to refresh nv memory, more or less can
not point out particularly now.
astea eTelrslyesy under direction Of the engineer
in-chsf Of this District or whether you heye peen
acting sometimes under nis GIec.iOn sn1 some
Wen, It Is most likely that have occesionally
been acting under the direction OF the Governor
a. Nv WitSont Consultation with the engineerIn-
chieff A. Well, no; thst would not say.
q. desire to know whether you haye aeted
ernnr tbout consuitation with the engineer-in-
chiefa A. invariably made IL my duty to con-
suit with him whenever 1t was possible. There
may have been one or two cases when Ibid not
sc O. Do YOU know what cases those arei A. No,
cir. 1 cannot call them to mind just now-possibly
q. No, I do not know that do. want to see
Ifyou can recollect them-H you can remember
any eOnzuitatiUn with him, and isscuid be glad
to have you state in reference 70 what work II was
that you 30 Aeted7 A. Well, II did do not
know. II ever acted SO before results were ar
rived at certainly made It my duty te communi-
cate to him the results.
q. In aIlng these prices which were charged
to the Government, did you consult with the
enEineer-fn-chief; and II you did not under whose
direction did you act? A. No, sir; did not.
ss was o 81. ng ali M ForsytS
Gen. Babcocf, who assumed the measurement.
O. How did YOU oSHt get t at the pricesf A. got
theTa from the price-list of the Board Of Public
Works. not the engineers office.
amount nat was chargeabie to the Government.
you were not acting in your capacity OF engineer
O.. You were acting under whose directions
A didn't mean to say
3 o. Your duties were 10 the engineers ONCE?
A. Yes, sir; and was detailed
o. How did it hsppen that you went outside Of
9 your own department to make these charges
against the Government: A. think that is the
sist an engineer designated by General Babcoek.
O. You were, then, detailed by the Governor to
assist General Babcoek or Mr.: Same in making
= up your charges against the Government A.
Yes, sir don't think 1 had anything else but
the verbal order; but that was sufficient for me.
Public works is IN no ways responsible for this
A The engineers Office is not responsible for It,
virtually.
in-chieT In regard to these matters? A. Well,
= that Is more than can answer, because
Q. Now. did you make up an account against
q, 600. GO or more in March hast was made? A. I
assisted the colonel partly think, before the last
measurements. was not present
O. Assisted whom? A. Colonel Same.
States for D, OOo,OO0f A. A claim
q. Yes. A. do not know anything Of claim
q. Was not there made out at the oifice OF the
Board Of Public Works an account against the
United States upon which an appropriation OF Q
MI Wilson. WIN SOME one be kind enough to
get me that appropriation bill-Sd Of March,
Mr. Mattingly. If you will refer him to the
2 statement he may comprehend you better.
Mr.. Merriek. The appropriation Of 1878 will be
found in the seventeenth volume Of the laws.
don't think II lie on the table here.
@. Do you remember anything Of that kindf
, A. remember the act distinctly.
not ters an necouDt made ou nv Io snA Of tS
work that had been done by the city of Washing
ton prior to the board coming IN? will resdyou.
Mr.. Wilson. The act reads as follows:
ITO reimburse the city Of Washington for i'm
prSyeReut of the avenues Of said city and for
work Gone thereon, not chargeable against owners
Of private property included in appropriations
heretofore made, el0oo. 0oo."
That is on page s27. Did you make up that &C.
The witness. Ne, sir; not for 100000.
Q. Did you make up an account for work that
Of the Board Of Public orks Of the city Of Wash.
tngton? A. Yes, sir; but It was not 81 zoo, 900.
There was an account made out, think q, &c.,
900, or something like that.
q. You made out such an accountf A. There
was such an account made out.
Q. Who made It outT A. 1 think Mr.. Forsyth
and me. do not know whether upon that or
upon what account the one-million-dollaf appro-
priation was made.
sir; sneh statement. There was no sccount at
all about IL.
q. Where is that statementf A. may pos
sibly find the original draft Of 1t among my
O. Do you know what was done with that state
mentf A. No, Sir. 1t was referred to q number
Of persons; do not know to whom. Some Sena-
tors had IT.
= q. What was the character Of that statemeutP
A. Part Of Il, think, was for work done by the
old cooperation, and the balance was for work
done by the District
q. would like to have that statement A. Ii
I can find il you shall have 1t.
O. Where did you make up that statementf A.
1t was made at the Office, but no copy taken.
Q. Did you make any surveys? A. No. sir; no
done by the old corporation. That was prepared
from tho menOrandum of Mr.. Forsyth, and even
q. When did Mr.. FORSYTH make that neuoran-
oun7 4. want to qualify that term memo
randuu, because he put pown the amounts Of
and put them down and then footed them mn or
carried them out
Q. What papers or memoranda did he have
from which he made that statement A. That
was all by recollection.
g. Entirely9 A. Yes, think so.
Q. Then, Il understand you, the mode in which
you made up that statement amounting to d. e32-
900, was thar you and Mr. Forsyth were together
in the Office OF the Board Of Public WorkS and
Mt Forsyth made statements to you from rocol-
lection OF work that had been done by the old cor
poration OF whatever that amounted to? A 1t |
was purely from his recollection as to that |
amount.
Q. Then do you say that part OF that a, sse-
1Oo was for work done for the Board of Public |
Works?' A. Yes, sir.
e Do you recollect what proportion Of 1T A. |
Wei, II certainly was about one half OF Il.
Q. Done BY the Board Of Public Worksf A.
Yes, sir.
MIR. stanton. Mr.. Wilson, You will find in the
Act making the appropriation that amount TO re-
.mourse the late corporation Of Washington is |
Mr.. Wilson. 1t says, "to reimburse the civ OF
W ashingson for Improvement of the avenues Of
laid city, and the work TO be done thereon, not
manageable against owners Of private property,
lor Included e. In any appropriation heretofore
Mr.. Stanton. Part Of It, be says, was done By
he late corporation.
Mr. Wilson. Mr.. Oertly, If I understand him,
avs that about one half Of thiS-that this 81 $50.
" Ihat ne made up was for work that was done7
~ me witness And they cut It down TO o, O0o,-
MT. " ilson. And half Of that was for work done
9 understand him, by the old corporation?
The Witness In the statement Cne half was ,
uppose-nearly OnC-half-was for work done BIZ ,
he old corporation. -
" Then that which was done by the Board of
'uolic Works-that was embraced in that AZ | =
ount-upoa what data did YOU make IN that ha IN /
I the account? A. That was ali for rneasure- =
1entS The data which used were from either |
etual vouchers or actual measurements think n
hey were all that way in the Office v
U. DO you think you can produce us a conv oF | !,
nat account: A. i fatherthink can amony- 3
ut IL was changed several times 1 Certainly
III pr9duce IL If can ind it. n
Dir. Wilson. world be glad to have Won. n
q Now wish to call attention to anot her mat -
r in that SANG connection. Look on page 80 OF
lie report Of lSI3-the column headed measure IN
ent or March e, 1873, andtell me what that Is n
here 10 came ffom-the third column, ! believe |
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