National Republican., 1874-04-02


Mr, Christy. Mr.. Castieman was brought
here for the purpose Of sustaining Mr. Culi-
name. Mr.. lCastleman says TO NE, 81 am n
at his own suggestion that called him.
The Chairman. made the statement IN
Bir. Ghristy. was not aware Of the exit
ence Of the law and was not apprised that the
gentlemen were familiar with It. Mr.. Castle
man was here for another purpose and asked
that he be called on that subject. N|
TESTIMONY or T. t. FOWLER.
T. T. Fowler sworn.
BY the Chairman, (at the suggestion of
counsel for the memorialists:) Q. am In
structed TO ask you whether or not you were
interested in any way in paving companies In
August, 1871 A. Yes, sir.
Q. What companiesi A. In the National
Paving Company.
Q. Who were members of that companyf A.
Subsequent to the time think Me5srs. Kill
bourn, Huntington, Edward Fay, myself and
Mr.. G. 8. Bates.
@. Was any member of the Board Of Public
Works member of that companyi A. No, sir.
Q. Did you have any conversation with Gov
ernor A. R. Shepherd about consolidating the,
paving companies about that timei A. did.
@. What was iti A. In the formation Of that
company 1t was thought desirable on the part
of some Of the members to unite that company
with the Metropolitan Paving Company that
had owned the patent Stowe pavement. They
chose me to 90 and see Mr.. Shepherd with that
view. l did so. saw Mr.. Shepherd, and he
said he could have nothing to do with 1t that
he could not be known In any pavement con-
tract. He said In the part he proposed 10 act
In the future government he could not be
known; but added that whatever arrangement
i could make with Hallet KHbourn would be
the same as himself.
Q. Was Hallet Kilbourn a member Of the
Metropolitan Paving Company A. cannot
state whether be was at that time or not. He
was interested, know.
Q.-What did you go to Governor Shepherd
fort A. For the purpose of seeing about con-
solidating the two companies, and uniting the
Ballard pavement, which we had in our COM
pany, and the Rheem.
Q. Just repeat, as near as you can, what
Governor Shepherd said in that conversation.
A. he said that in the part which he proposed
to act In the matter he could not be known as
interested in any pavement or any work going
on. He made this remark: That some people
supposed he was dead, but he was not quito,
yet; and he referred me to Mr.. Hallet Kilbourn
as party with whom could consult. Mr..
Kilbourn did consult with Mr.. Shepherd to my
knowledge. He left US, and came back and
made certain reports.
@. When was this conversation? A. think
it was. in August, 1871. 1t might have been in
July. --E u -
o. Where was II that you had this conversa-
ton with Governor Shepherd A. At his
Office. ..." -. - -. -
@. In this city, "A. Yes, sir; was not the
only party. There was another member who
went. D. D. .-..'.-
Q. Who was the other pattyl A. c. 8.
Bates! -. ..- I'D.
Q. Did you go to Governor Shepherd because
he was q member OF the Metropolitan Com
pany, or because he was vice president of the
Board of Public Works! A. lie was not at
that time appointed, if recollect Alright.
|, @. He was not at that time . member of the
Board of Public Worksl A. No, sir; think
not: don't think the appointment had been
made. o. r-
Q. You are certain as to the timei A. Not
positively as to that; but know it was in the
summer
Q. Are you certain he was not thena member
Of the Board of Public Worksi A. think he
WAS not. g..
Q. The conversation was before his appoint
menti A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you understand from that conversa-
ton that he meant to say to you that he could
have secret interest in paving contracts that
he could not have openlyl A. I so understood
IL.
o. From what he saidi A. Yes, sir.
@. Mr.. Bates went with youl A. Yes, SIR
6. Did he hear all this conversation A.
don't think he heard all; he heard part Of it; he
was little distance from US.
@. Was it a conversation aside, or was It an
open public conversation A. Oh, 1t was aside.
Q. Between yourself, Governor Shepherd, and
q portion of 1t with Mr.. Bates2 A. Yes, sir.
Q. Were those two paving companies consol-
idatedl A. No, sir.
Q. Why not! A. 1 don't know why.
Q. Who were the members of the Metropoli-
tan Paving Company at that tinel A. sup
pose-I don't know positively who were the
membtrs. will give you my impression as to
who they were.
Q. Give us your impression, them A. II was
Mr.. Mohun, the book man; be had an interest
in it. Mr., Lewis Clephane, and suppose Mr..
Shepherd had; he was the chief one.
@. You supposed he hadl A. Yes, sir; or
should meyer have gone to him if 1 had not.
Q. Did he tell you whether he had or had not!
A. He told me he had had. s..r
@. Did he say he had no connection with It
at that time, or had had! A. don't recollect
that he told me he had none.
Q. Did he tell you that he hadl A. Yes, sir;
that he had previously. --E
Q. I do not think you understand my dues-
ton. Did he say TO you that he had before
that time held any interest In that companyi
A. About that time the movement was made
for the forming Of these companies. This
patent-riglt in the Stowe pavement was con-
troIled by Mr.. Shepherd and Mr.. Mohun. do
not think there was any one else, but don't
know. But 1t was to pass into the hands of
this company, which was then forming, as ours
was then forming.
Q. The act of Incorporation was not COM
pletei A. No, sir.
By Mr.. Jewett: Q. You went to Mr.. Shep-
herd at the instance of your associates because
vOn mn IN ho Matro
politan interests' A. The Stowe paving inter-
ests. s.
Q. Mr.. Shepherd told you that with view
to the part he expected TO take in this govern
ment that he must not be known as interested
in any paving enterprisesi A. Yes, sir.
Q.'That he was supposed by some parties to
be dead, but that he was not quite dead yetl
A. Yes, sir. ... .
Q. He referred you to Mr.. Kflbourni A.
Yes, sir.
Q. You say that Mr. Kilbourn went to and
from Mr.. Shepherd in these consultations. A.
Yes, sir. = 80. ..-s.--r
Q. Do you know thatl A. lido. know It
from this reason; perhaps had better state It:
he did not fully understand exactly what Mr..
Shepherd meant. He left the party and went
and consulted, and came back and reported Mr..
Shepherds views. He stated that he was
going to see Mr.. Shepherd.
Q: Then you only know 1t from his statement
A. That is all.
Q. You did not see Mr. Shepherd in connec-
tior with himi A. No, sir.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. What was the object that
was had in view in uniting these two CON-
panies2 A. suppose to get work-contracts
Q. Was there any other object further than
TO get contractsi A. Not on my part.
Q. Was there any purpose to prevent COM
petition between the two and get high prices.
A. think that was the object -
Q. Do you know that was the objectl A
Yes, sir; ! think so.
Q. What was said on that subject7 A.
Well, It was about the time Pennsylyania ave-
nue. was to be paved.
Q. Give us this whole thing now Just as you
know itl A. It was about the time Pennsylvania
avenue was TO be paved. OF course we were all
very naturally desirous Of getting part of 1t |
to do, and In order to control the different |
kinds Of pavement, the object was to harmon |
lie matters and get fair prices.
By the Chairman: Q. What portion of |
Pennsylvania avenue was about to be pavedl |
A. It was from the Capitol to the Treasury. |
By Mr.. Wilson: @. Was that before the |
drst letting Of works Was that before the I
frst work was let by the Board of Public
Works7 A. It was under the administration of |
Mayor Emery; under the old city govern
ment.
Q. What year was thati A. That was
Q. Was that just before the Board of Public |
Works cama int0 nourer7 A Yaa eir