National Republican., 1874-04-02

Q. Ard Il was on account ofthe part be was
going TO takei What impropriety would there
be IN his taking an interest In that pavement
and putting IN bids there openly, even II he was
going to be appointed Governor Of the District. 4
II this was let under Mayor Emery, what was
the objection TO his bidding under the con-
tracti
The Witness. Do you speak now of the
Avenue2 M
@. Yes, A. Ihave answered that already
I think there was no improperly whatever.
Mr.. Jewett. Is the opinion Of this witness as
to what Is proper or not proper TO be taken
herel
o. The pavement that was laid during Mayor
Emory's administration was completed during
that administration A. Yes, sir.
@. And subsequently Mr.. Knbourn did the
business. What conclusion did he come to
about this consolidation. A. He appeared
friendly, but found out afterward be was play
ing the traitor with rs.
Q. You don't think Mr.. Kilbourn treated you
fairlyl A. No; do not. b.
Q. He appeared friendly and willing to con-
solidate, and then did not consolidated A. No,
sir; he did not then consolidate, at least.
q. You do not think he intended to at any
timei A. No, sir.
Q. You have some little feeling on that ac-
COUNT A. Not particle.
O. What did you mean by saying he was act
=
teristic of him.
| Q. That is your opinion of Mr. Kilbourn-
that 1t was characteristic Of him to be trsitori
A. lido, decidedly.
Q. Was that your opinion of him at the time
you negotiatedi A. No.
| Q. That opinion of him grew out Of these
negotiationsi A. thought he was square
| man.
@. Have you ever bid on contracts since that
timea A. Yes, sir; once.
Q. Did you get q contract A. There was
one awarded to me. -.' '--..l EL
Q. Did you do III A. No, sir. That is, It
was reported it was awarded. did not take
it; never put in an appearance.
Q. Was IL wood pavement A. No, sir; It
was macadam.
Q. What is the reason you did not take itl
A. was waiting for the time to come for them
to give the orders to have the work done, but
It was let to some one else. think Mr.. Evans
did it.
Q. Did you ever put in any bids for wood
pavement? A. No, sir. :
Q. You never had done any work for the
| board at alli A. No; not contract-work.
have supplied the board with material.
Q. What kind of materiali A. Stone; and
| they paid well-promptly.
@. How long have you resided in the cityl
A, Ten years. ..-.
Q. What is your occupstioni A. I am en-
gagged now in -quarrying. .-.-
Q. You have stone for salei A. Yes, sir.
Q. What stone-quarry Is III A. 1t Is on the
Potomac-the Blue Gneiss quarry, near Chain
Q. Have they ever bought good deal of
stone Of youi A. They have bought somei
Q. What kind of stonel A. Simply build
ing-stone ~
@. 1t is not a curb-stonei A. No, sir; It Is
not suited for that.
Q. Nor used for hagging7 A. No, sir.
By the Chairman: O. What patent was this
that the National Company hadl A. 1t was
the Rheem and the Ballard.
Q. You say that afterward there was q COM
plete organization of your corporation. Who
were the directors In It after 1t was organized
Who were the managers of that corporstionl
A. Thomas Lewis, Mr.. Hewett, myself and
Mr.. Edward L. Fay.
Q. Was the Rheem pavement a separate
patent or part of the Ballard patentf A. a
separate. -
Q. Then your corporation owned two patent
payementsl A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you own them after your corpora
toni A. No; we held the Ballard. 1t was
conditional, provided we laid 10000 yards
within year from the time we took the as
signment.
Q. Was any Ballard pavement put downl A.
No, sir; not to any amount.
Q. At no timei A. No, sir.
Q. Never has beeni A. No, sir.
| Q. Was any Of the Rheem pavement put
downl A. l misunderstood you. The Ballard
was put down in front of the City hall down to
Seventh street; that we subsequently laid.
The Rheem never was laid.
By Mr.. Wilson: @. What was this stone used
for that you furnished A. 1t was used for the
" street bridge, across Rock creek.
| Q. Who purchased that stone from YOU? A..
think Mr., Shepherd gave an order for 1t.
@. What was the amount of your sale of
stonei A. Perhaps about ii 900 worth of it.
Q. Was that done with or without written
contract A. The proposition was asked from
me what would furnish It for submitted
that, and 1t was accepted.
Q. Is that all the material you have ever
furnished the board! A. think so; 1 don't
think OF anything else.
Q. Have you any knowledge of any combina-
tion among these pavement parties for the pur-
pose of preventing competition in bidding, or
for the purpose Of establishing prices for the
laying of pAvements In this cityl A. know,
that is, am well satisfied in my mind, that
there was at the time this negotiation was
going on. Mr.. Kilbourn and certain other par
ties went to New York, and, as subsequently
learned, gobbled up the pavements.
| Q. Do you know anything outside Of matters
of that kinda A. No; only know that he
came back and reported. He went there to see
the wood pavements.
| Q. dave you any knowledge Of the parties
who held these various pavements having en-
tered into any combination with reference to
the amounts they would put in as bids? A.
| No, sir.
q. The bids they would makea A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know anybody who does know in
relation to thata A. No, / do not.
BY Mr.. Mattingly: Q. At the time of this
conversation with Mr.. Shepherd, had the Dis
trict government been organizedl A. Think it
had not. My impression is that 1t had not.
Q. Had the hill been introduced in Congressl
A. think 1t had; yes, sir. But at any rate, it
was considered almost acertainty that we would
that.
Q. 1t was considered that you would have
the territory of the government A. We thought
| so.
Q. And this was prior to the laying of the
| Pennsylvania avenue pavement? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Prior to the organization and incorpora-
tion of the National and Of the Metropolitan
companiesi A. Yes, sir.
BY Mr.. Christy: Q. Have you any memo
randa or books by which you could refresh your
recollection A. / think so; yes.
Q. Have you inspected them with reference
to your examination today Have you re-
feffed to them recently A, No, sir; not at all.
1t is entirely from memory.
Mr.. Christy. l ask that this witness be in
SbIuCbcu W cAauiinc tucoc papers Lnat Ne uAS.
After that desire to re-examine him.
The Chairman. With reference to what
Mr.. Christy. As 10 the dates of these various
transactions. It is evident that that 10 i'm
portant.
The Chairman. OF course he could refresh
his memory, and if he is mistaken he will
come back and correct his testimony. But he
states very distinctly that 1t was before the Or
ganization of this company; before the paving
of Pennsylvania avenue; before Governor Shep-
herd was member of the Board OF Public
Works, and that 1t was In August, 1871.
Governor Shepherd. There Is just years
difference. The bill forming the new govern
ment was passed the 21st February, 1871. |
This conversation, II such conversation took
place, must have occurred In 1870.
Mr.. Wilson. To avoid any controversy about |
that, propose that the witness shall refresh |
his recollection, and get the date as accurately
as he can.
The Witness. can ascertain Ii by looking at |
our books.
Mr.. Stewart. It determines the capacity of |
his memory, and that Is all.
BY Mr.. Msttingly: Q. Have you seen Mr.. |
Bates recently in reference to this matteri A. /
Not very recently.
@. How long sincei A. Isaw him to-day.
BY Mr.. Christy: Q. There is one matter that /
wish to inquire about, independent of this