National Republican., 1874-05-27

thought the application should BE- directed to
him, and then he would instruct me to make
the measurements
Yes, ell; think they are. Occasioually1 got
Sip Of paper or 9 card from the Governor in
Ad-penca directing me 10 make measure
neut for some parry. Sometimes made the
Measurements. = s. -
q And thea you passed II over to Mr.. Clussi
A. Well would not always do that but
would 60 and make measureneut and report
Q. Reported h that you did ii for the Gov
ernori A. Yes, sir.
q. And he said. sometimes, that these orders
ought to come through him' 4. WE'LL think
he said that at all times.
i Q. What WAS your reply to thatf A. The
reason always took those things to him was
because knew he wanted to see them. If
there was anything wrong would rather It
1 would be between him and the Governor than
fall on my shoulders. ,.-...- 80 ......-. p
O. Did you ever communicate to the vice
president that Mr.. Cluss objected to his giving
you ordersi A. No, sir; do not think I did.
may have done so in one or two case where
idfd something at his request, and Mr.. Cluss
afterwards told me that be wanted to see all
such things.
o. Did the vice president ever direct you in
any Of those orders, either verbally or written,
not to communicate with Mr.. Clussi A. No,
sir. ~
Q. How do you account for his communi-
eating directly with you rather than sending
these orders through Mr.. Clussi A. Well, sir,
I do not know unless he was in hurry, per-
hsps, for Il. --"
3. He never explained to you in any way
why IL vast A. No. " '' ....-.
q. I suppose If those orders had betu ad-
dressed to the engineer IN charge, Mr.. Cluss,
they would have been proper orders then, would
they noti A. Yes, sir. =.
1 Q. What would Mr.. Cluss likely have done
with tbem' A. He would, probably, have re-
l ferred the matter to me to make the measure
ments. ..-
Q. Suppose you had been out of the office en-
gagged in making measurements, what would
he have done then! A. He may have sent It to
me, or possibly have waited until came in, or
directed some of the boys, if any of them were
there, to make the measurement, and probably
he would have told me about it the next time
/ he saw me.
@. Do you think he would ever have asked
Mr.. 0ertly to make measurements A. Yes,
sir; I know reason why he should not.
Q. Did Mr.. Cluss communicate to you any
doubt as to the ability or integrity Of Mr..
Oertly as an engineeri A. No, sir.
@. Did you ever communicate to him any
doubt upon that subject A. No, sir. .
Q. Turn, if you please, to page 2129 Of the
testimony. There Is voucher, or estimate,
rather, which seems 10 have been made by Mr..
Oertly. A. 1 observe It, sir.
Q. Is that partial or final estimate7 A.
That is a partial estimate, I presume. All
final estimates are put on regular vouchers
and 60 through the office. 49,. ILL.,.
| O. That Is partial estimated A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, will you call my attention to the
particular street that you measured the other
day, as indicated upon that vouchera A. "E
street southwest from Tenth 70 Thirteenth,
grading and hauling 70 the canal, ST., 1885"
Q. That is the work that you measured re-
Gently, is It'll A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you measure the whole of the work
done! A. No, sir; did not.
| Q. What work did you measured A. Only
E street southwest, from Tenth to Thirteenth
streets.
Q. Did you measure all the work done on
that street, A. Yes, sir. -
Q. All the work that has been done up to
| this timel A. Yes, sir.
@. You found an overestimatei A. will |
correct that statement. 1 did not measure all
the work which Mr.. Oertly told me he meas |
ured. Mr.. Oertly was with me at the time and |
pointed out what he had measured, and that |
made the same measurement. Between |
Twelfth and Thirteenth streets was large |
hole, from which sand had been taken seven or |
eight feet below the grade. 1 have nothing to |
do with that.
Q. You did not measure that A. No, sir.
Q. Has there been any oyerwork done there
since Mr.. Oertly's measurement? A. No, sir;
think not.
Q. How much of an overestimate was made
therel A. have forgotten. I think 1t was
somewhere between four and five thousand
dollars.
Q. Did Mr.. Oertly accompany you when you
made this measurement A. He did.
Q. Did he assist you in making iti A. He
did; yes, sir.
Q. What explanation did he make of his mis-
take, A. Well, he simply said 1t was o mis-
take, and that he had taken the street at 80
feet wide, when in reality Is was only about 50
feet. think he said that Gleason told him
f6at hs Esns haEs Sag RsOB h f snd
At any rate something of the kind led Mr..
Oertly into that mistake-some promise that
Gleason was to do the work.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. That is to say, he made
the mistake of taking Mr.. Gleason's word for
1t, that he would do the work, which was not
done2 A. Yes, sir.
work that Mr.. Cluss testified to as being so far
wrong that it amounted to q fraud, is it notl
A. Yes, sir; believe SO.
Q. You say that you have not measured any
of the remainder Of this work. A. No, sir.
Q. Has there been any final estimate made
of any of this work. A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know how much Mr.. Gleason has
Uccu pdtu upOu Lulo WOThi a. Ing
informs me that there has been paid S140,0
Of s14S, ,230; so that be has over $4,000 left on
that work.
By Mr.. Hamilton Q. That is the usual per
cent. kept back, is iti A. No, sir. presume
this s., 900 may apply to that grading particu-
larly, or to some particular portions of this.
see included here is + street, between Sixth
and Ninth. think that has been finally SET
tied for. ..
Blythe Chairman: Q. Doyou know how much
Of this work has been finally settled fort Has
this large item of S56, 900 been finally esti-
matedl A. Yes, sir; F street, between Sixth
and Ninth, and Seventh street, from E to g.
Rhode Island avenue; making some S63, 900.
Q. Are you still in the engineers oficei A.
Yes, sir.
Q. You made some allusion to tables and
made up by Mr.. Cluss in answer to
Mr.. Wilson's question; did you assist in making
up thesei A. Yes, sir. Mr.. Cluss, I think, q
week ago last Saturday, informed ms that he
had been summoned before the committee, and
that he had some questions to answer, and d.
rected me TO help him or assist him to get these
up.
o. Which you didi A. I did, sir.
Q. Then you made up these tables and state
ments from the records in your office3 A. l
did; yes, sir; and assisted him as well as 1
could. C. -.-' .-" - .- -s
Q. That included, of course, the cost of these
main sewers? A. Yes, sir. aE
@. And the cost Of the avenuesi A. Yes,
sir. . .-5l
@. And the work generality A. Yes, sir.
O.. There was skeleton map thrown out
before the committee that day; did you assist
in the making Of that A. That was an assess
ment of Pennsylvania avenue. Hr. Cluss d. {
rected myself and Mr.. Danenhower, and our
computer, Mr.. Alexander, to make an assess
ment on Pennsylvania avenue east, from First
to Seventh street. We did made such an assess
ment. Mr.. Cluss brought the plan up here.
The principle is the same as that upon which
all the assessments have been made, excepting
that 1t is . simplifcation or modification Of it.
By the Chairman: Q. remember now what
you sllude TO; you made two assessmentsi A.
Yes, sir. r-...- sHa-
O. This work on Twelfth street, that Sem
ator Stewart inquired Of you about, you have
no knowledge Of, whateyeri A. No, sir.
Q. You never measured it yourselfl. A.
No, sir.
Q. Could you have made an accurate meas
urement OF that work If you had been applied
to at the timei A. could; yes, sir; could
have made the same one furnished Mr.. Blick-
ensderfer. Ii
Q. Did you make the measurement of Mr..
A. I plotted the cross-eec.