New-York tribune., 1874-10-27
sprrcH OF DIR. DE KOVEN.


measure Of time may be needed.
First OF ALL fully recognize the point which was made
by the delegate from Alabama DR. FuOn that this 10
not to be considered isolated question: put as one
of tour distinct The clerical delegate Irom
Alabama failed to mention the fourth Flrs there is
this canon Of ritual secondly, the appointment OF
commission by ballot to take up the whole question OF
ntuasm the third is the whole matter OF shortened
seryices-a matter which believe bears very heavily
upon the hearts and conscepces and the life OF this
Church and the fourth was the matter providing for
greater freedom in the use OF the paptsnAi ser'cc
allowing certain rubrics to be made permissiVe lns'eau
of absolute and also the use OF the Collect Tor EASIER
Evening instead of the Thanksgiving in which the "ofo
" "regenerate occurs
We can only consider this as one OF group OF mys
terIes with regard to the last OF these measures
suppose 1t hardly likely that this House can pass the
proposed measure in the bringing In OF which the Com
utee reserved themselves the right not to vote for
it will Be found on consideration that such measure
touches the doctrine OF bapsmal regeneration, and.
who Cannot vote for it, regard motive for bringing
being worthy of the most profound
tiop in this General Convention 1t Is TACT that caunot
be gainsaid that our Church has permitted 10 ener our
ORDERS to serve In our sanctuares TO oe our pfess men
who do hold and who have always held and VINO ned
it when they were ordanedno the doctrine OF baptis-
NAL regeneration which myself hold, and which !
believe myself to be the authorized doctrine OF
Church and which 70 deny is to IN dens saa fnas
that permits persons to serve atars not holding
Church is cruel to them for she perpetuay requires
them to say what they don't believe. While would
oppose with my power anything which would throw any
doubt upon that doctrine for would be prepared
TO defer TO this commission on rnDrcs the coasdera
or the ecclesiastical authority Of the diocese, should
have the power to proect and defend rea ana true con
feel most happy that ii proposed bring forward
and Christianke craftsmanship to the
eeeed S SS this IL House ballot to that Whole
question 1t is evident to any body that the provisions
OF Church OF this country the subject OF our ritual
eminently vague and unsatisfactory know there
sesis S sw II the me has To-Day i is
coming when this Church OF ours shall be prepared 70
nicefance ' but in the 6roadest way let limit
ritual on hand and the ritual on the other; CIV
i0 hose
have all the glory and beauty which belongs to GODS
in that broad hearted spirit VIII TO protect this
f@ wSo Soud ane die than dSy
| come now then to the canon which is before us.
First of all explain what wish to do with regard
to IT, If could have my way am free TO say that
whatsoever At the same time assent to the main
features measure for the time feel II matters are
Standing Committee Of the Diocese should have the
power them than that individual presbyters
should have that power II any body SAYS that such
principle will make for WincOnsn and another use
for ONO only say 1t is better TO nave dnerent use IN
than to have forty different uses IN Wisconsin and
forty in Ohio. But only accept this as measure for
he
clear and until such time as the of this Caurch
clearly and definitely laid down.. 30 while am pre-
are some portions that / could for and am
prepared to show to this House that We should MAKE
In the fist place. aud this point not going to
dwell upon, do think that the forbdding OF such
things like the Of incense and the carrying OF the
cruclx nterferes with that principle which has been
laid by the delegate from Alabama, and which
believe the true principle This Church cannot legis-
late upon worship In any other way than by the
rubrcs upon our doctrine III any other way except Sy
%l,a nd his
iudrecton many viii feel that i Is unconstitutional
tees is interfering with that liberty 1t is just much
going against that principle 10 forbid certain things as
to allow certain things II not positive law II negative
come now to my second objection and that is to the
clause which is to lie found in the first secton II any
Bishop have reason to believe, If complaint be made
to him in writing by two or more OF ms
quite right that the Bishop should govern his diocese
ana that committees should be his counsel Of advice
but say that this House is not going to organize
something something which the eentemauly heart OF
our Church WIN utterly and totally con,
denim. But the canon . says he may
send his clergy TO the diocese. and they
investigate ANYTHING which Is sald to be doubtful
must say something for which hope 10 be excused
Sa ss soR sends h are
examine then these cunning kltrasts wiz not do these
things. But IL there is Rtuast 80 cunning as that
you cannot bind him by any regulations don't know
any Ritualist who would do so.
There are no such things as "donotiul doctrines"
Doctrine is either true or false The truth of God is
used in its subjective sense 1t makes the range per
fectIy marvellous. One standing committee may think
of 1874 may decide 1t TO be doubtful. and that Of
1875 may decide 1t to be true; perhaps a@ ,nat
mitiee nii will be elected or defeated. 1 believe
this C0urch mas the right to Its S
But think can show that that specification is
incense symboizes strange doctrine. But that is to
put itself in opposition to the Holy Scriptures David
that the use OF incense symbozes prayer Is tins
Church say that 1t symbolizes false docrinei With
Aaron the smoke Of incense typed the everlasting me-
daOn of Christ Is this Church prepared 10 say that
the mediation and the atonng sacrifice are false doc
trnef That is what this canon II 1t Is passed, makes
oniect to the second specification FOR when at st.
Thomass the statues OF the great apostles stand
s tps Roman error oi worshpnS Images Cut out yoD
crucfxes from your stained windows tear out the pic
that looking at the image OF tue Divine Redeemer
possibly be said to symbolze false doctrine!
regard TO the specification about ucharsc adora
tion Dr. DE KOyen said he was glad 10 IND that dis
tinctiOn had been made between external and internal
ceremony he said you may take our affairs and super.
altars aud lights and yestments and may command us
services and will submit TO you. But. oh, gentle
men the moment that says we shall adore
hearts will come the answer, Let me die in my own
sa s O s Ss sdfs ns Csys OF % and
sseramenI-that ls tne inaLenaoie right of
q asis etodas nsi En- 1ss s nis %
the most definite assertion OF u that has been passed in
Church the time OF tue k<fOrma00n
auy allowed by tue rubrc, have u right per-
BY the rubric OF the Book OF Common Prayer
We are allowed TO kneel. I don't want any other pos
ture to express my adOratoU. DIR. DE- KOven traced
the history of opposition TO eucharstc alteration in
England, ana stated that the clause about kneeing,
which had made much trouble, left out In the
American Prayer Book, because, he said, God gave
Bishop White an utter abhorrence OF Caivinfsm."
These my objections. then, he continued to the
canon Intend ~ propose amendment ~ 1t. What
oeY really In the interest Of truth peace,
Of Kindness of love- and for the settlement Of al DIM
eaites II SIMPLY leaves out of these
unrd dnub fail ton
and keeps bishop and counsel II this can
e PASSED. niak tbsre viii he stosrsbs fresdem fsVp