The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1874-08-18

about May l, 1873, the money of course was paid
10 Mon. ton after your mortgage was madef
I went with ii rectiy from the bank when
drew it AM put il into Moulton's hands, on the
-. At his h, 1sse?
A. u don't now.
the latter part o. that month, before the ist of
June. lsz3?
A. do not kno the month in which did
outburst at the el,d of the month of Nav
lsIS. on account of tb publication of the tripar
lite agreement, which led to my letter TO Moul-
e. Here is q letter da ed May I, :s74, in which
Tilton refers.fo some 81 ory of Carpenters about
letter.
A. did. sir. II was a magnificent humbue.
knew that Tlton knew that he had been
tinkling my gold N his po clzets for months and
years, and he wrote that lie tier to be published
q. What did you understand by Carpenters
rela ions to money mattersg
A. My first knowledge OF Ca rpenter was that
ne was putting his nose into this business
which did not cor Germ him. That was also
Moultons impression. 1 asked Moulton one
day, what under the sun is Carpenter doing
around here and meddling with This matter? 20
lie summariiy damned him, an Il represented
MN as good natured. well meaning busyb body.
asked him why he didn't tell h Am distinctly
mat ms essence was not wanted. He said
We'll. he serves us some usefA purposes.
any place n New York, we put Carpenter on
the track and he fetches all the rumoss, and we
use MIN 10 md out what we could not Get o. her
W Sc, and did find that he not only did that
bat Carpenter was one of those good natnred
men whose phllantnfophy exhibited itself in
trying 10 settle quarrels and difficulties by
picking up everything he could hear said
by, Tor or against man, and carrying it TO the
parties where IL would DO the most harm pOssi-
BILE; He was a kind of genial, good natured fool,
and in all this matter he has been a tool more
Ihah helper. ii has never once done any
thing except in the kindest way, and never once
done anything in the whole of this matter from
the beginning to the end that was not a stupid
blunder. made up my mind from the beginning
that as was silent to everybody in this matter,
would be especially silent TO Csrpente..
any particular significance. He came to see me
once when the council was in session and our
introduced into it that Triton Thought pointed
to him, and Tilton that night was in a bonfire
with Moulton. was in at Freeiand's, and in
comes Carpenter, with his dark aud mysterious
in kind ooTn oS senucherai Sn shs S0fa whsper sRq
told me OF some matters. Says /,
That is all nonsense" that it meant. and.
| then went out. On another occasion he came to
me, and in great glow of benevolence said that
York. and tnat was to take the editorship of 1t.
and S50O,UO was TO be raised almost by the tap
ofa drum. was greatly amused but said TO him
graveiy:"W We'll. Carpe ter. If should ever leave
the pulpit, think it very likely should go into
Journalism. 1t would be more natural TO me
/
the conversations have some recollection of one
in April, and that was when Moulton had q
send him to Europe, and Carpenter came in and
talked with me about 1T. | recollet very dis
were eSs besnnipr to 69
my. education was beginning to tell on me
little, and said 70 Mr. Carpenter, distinctly
have nothing to do with. Idon't know Dnt that
II Tilton wishes to go tn Europe with his family
and live there for some time that his friends
would bs willing TO raise that amount Of mon
ey, but that is a matter you must talk over With
| q. Did you say that il Tilton printed his docu-
ments you would never ascend that pulpit
a. never said that, and l should never talk
about the thing with such weak man as he.
O. Whe Introduced the subject of going TO
Eurnpe when Carpenter came 10 see yeu?
a. He did,
Q. in the statement which you have made
press great agitation, sorrow and suffering. even
TO anguish, How do you reconcile that with the
tone of your public ministrations, and with the
declarations of peace and trust which have
fallen from you from time TO time in the lecture
room?
A. explain it in precisely the same way as
do the words of Paul. who said he died deaths
daily: that he was the offscouring of the earth,
with all this burden on his mind he described
himself as living in the most transcendent relig
ious peace and joy. That stands on record in
human literature. Cody sorrow worked the
JOY. The first effects of these
ns and despsirns efe aDa %0s' osSsimes
| / lay in them as a snip heaves on the sea n
times Of calm when she can make no progress
the rsaction, snd by The power of the Holy
Ghost my mind was lif ed about these things,
man and minister to live the doctrines I have
been preaching. / have always been elling
people s now hsaT 70 insnag % sorrS%, ana 1eng men zen
termined that would not finch, whine sit
down. must stand up, and did not care how
much the Lord piled on me. believed He
| would not put on me more than could bear IL
| lose TO il, and took work whenever IL Of
fered, and l went tn ough the work and
grew strong under 1t, and at Intervals
had experiences of peace and of res
| ignaion and OF Divine comfort which ! had
never known before in all my life; and In the
retrospect of all this trouble can say truly that
l am better carabls of interpreting the comforts
of the wo q OF God 10 sorrowing hearts than
eyer should have been IL had not passed
through this discipline. I have lost brothers,
some who have not died. and yet under all this /
have never been more sustained than have In
this
4 q. Notwithstanding your great suffering dur
| ing the last four Years, do you feel that your
health or powers for labor and usefulness are
A. / work because like to work. 1 worked
because my VIII lie SOU was saying TO noe, 60
forward and preach; never measured how long
the shadow was o my life. / never put a Ques-
| ton TO myself once, whether was higher or
lower than q her christian ministers. 10 be
called the first preacher in America or the
| world is oniy throwing shadow at me. 1
4 have but one feeling about this, and that il,
just long as live every particle of strength,
and imagination, and feeling and reason, and
body and soul give TO my untry aud TO my
kind. and that Is all the ambition have /
never hsd better health than hsve to-day. 4
do not propose 10 be i'd e. and I snail do again
what did in the beginning of my life. 4 never
| askt anybody permi sion TO work. sha not
asy anybody for permission to work now. The
channels wo' k I'm may flow here or there, but
/ propose to work 10 years vet.
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