National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-04

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9; Had he sslIcItsd yoet lnnusnos betorsf A.
i @ When did he lrst * yoa % hesp hint A.
course tie date Of he eontr.o. would af that; Il
9. 10 asked you 70 help him, A. Yes, sir.
told him tha. would Be very happy 70 % him
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q. How onsa did ron see him before the con
q. On tbs basinssss 4. Wsli. Not psf.leu i
On this business, 81. BE called 20 see me quite
frsausntly that SUBJECT was mentioned. Of course,
O. Where were you thsnf A. 1 was then In the
establishmant Of A. r. shepherd & 20. !,
Q. At that timer A. Yes, sir. a1'
Hs- lag as az sss H Or ma SIS agsa R
came hare with cavalry regiment from New
QHe vas m the war, A. Yes, SIR. think he
was IN sScott's Nine Hundred" 9
@. How long was he here In 1852 or 1887 A.
The regiment Vas here Cor some menths before u
O. When was "a; he mustered out Of scrvics.. A.
DO not recolleet. After the regiment was or
dered from Washington, donot think It returned
Q. That was In 1855, was Il mott A. I do not
o. When did he come to wsshipetou amer the
z. what business had no heref A. ! am not
aware SIR
the time these contracts were awardeds A.
No, sir; cannot remember that he was / met
him nov end then when vas acting private SEQ
Q. What appeared to be -hts businsssf A. 1
g. YCg had no idca, A. / never took sua,cisu.
not he staid here any length or time. 81 q -
q. Did yoq understand him to be- lobbyist
A. Nc, sif; never knew him to be here in that
q. or about Congress. A. No, sir: never
knew that he was here on that sort OF business.
q; Do you remember Of his being here in ISL!
O. Or 1s72i A. I think he was here IN 1877. I
x that from the date Of this contract He was here
quite length Of time. think, 10 ls72 Perhaps
Q, Was he member Of the W arlington Club :
A. do not know, sir. ~
him there. Itis place donot Gflen attend my
9. Was he here in 1879, a. Yes. sir. ,.a. y.
A. II mistake mot he Has- here . considerable
portion OF the summer. sr.,F
@ OF 1sT3f A. Yes, sir. -.,- z
q. When was the contract awarded to DeGol-
yer 6 Mcclellan? A. think In 1877. : : : =
Q. About what timer A, Simply from recollec-
ton, gathered more from the testimony than any
thing olse, think somewhere about June. - =,
q. Do You know what acquaintance Mr.. Kirt-
land had In Washington In 1s72f A. Yes, sir;
the only persons with when I saw him we're q
man named Brown; ! saw him with Mr.. Chtten-
den. I do not think saw with any body else.
O. The Reverend Mr.. Brown "A. That Is what
Wbsi VA NJ r,rov,,, ,,s,s,
have not the remotest idea. = gi4..N ~ ~ ~
O. You do not remember seeing Mr.. Kirkland
don't A. i may have seen him win his fsthsrIn-
8. VINO g his father-in.isvf A. Mr.. Grayson.
Q. Does he live here nowf A. Yes, SIR. ~ Q.
q. Whereabouts in washington does he live.
A. He lives on Missouri svenue near Four-snd-a-
By Nj. Wilson: o. what 4, hi, business, A.
think he is CLERK, SIR Heissn elderly gentle.
q. A clerk in one Of the Departments. A. Yes,
BY the Chairman: Q. Slim. with gray haIrf A.
Yes, sir. ~ 11i s7 or = - :, = .TH- :
sir. do not know his family history,
i. @ You told him you would help himf A.
O. In what Tsys Ia. Induced n youo sSniS him
tbatf A. He desired me to use what influence
might have with the vice-presLdent Of the Board
Ct paSlis Work, KS Alexander T. Shepherd, In or
h@i A SIMPLY. old him Ina IN irsn 9iy Wsy,G
Q. Had you been intimate with hImf A. Yes,
SIR had known him, as have said, since 1888.
q. Was there any great intimacy between youf
A. DO mot know what you call intimacy, but I
@. What had brought you into friendly reI.-
tons with himf A. When his regiment was here,
think frst met him In connection with the COL
onel OF his command; and as the War Department
was frequent place to visit for officers Inst III n
q. Did you use your friendly help, A. did
to some little extent T.5 - : --ss d, rs---
@ With Governor Shepherd, who was then
vice-presidentf A. Yes, sir; Ispoke to. him on
Q; What reason did you give ior doing that,
a. l think that before that time had spoken on
think had spoken on tho subject TO Bfr. Shep-
herd, but simply asked him to do whatever was
nJ t9S
IL belonged to the bodrd, and would be inYesti.
gated and determined by the board. -.
saw kirkland: a. Al the solieitatiOn Of &r.
3. Mr.. Ghittsndsn then had solicited youf
q Q. Had Mr.. ohIt,snden made any proposition
to your A. Not directly, sir; understood him
to intimate that could have o share In the
contract, think. am not sure that am
doing b i'm justice. - - 9. 81
BY Mr.. Thurman: q. Was It in consequence OF
the intimacy that you speak Oft A. No, si,:
Mr.. Chlttendenf A. I met him here, think, In
1872, the winter preceding the contract.
q. The contract was awarded whenf A. In
O. You met him, then, In the preceding winter.
A. Yes sir; L think met him early In the winter
q. You mean ls1-7a, A. Wen, say about
Q. You had never known him bsforef A. 1