, 1874-04-25
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD.
SENATE.
WASHINGTON, D. C., April Is.
Not in session.


Mr. NtSatITH moved to strike cut from the para-
graph relating to the Department Of Justice the item
$3.50 for repairs to carriages and harness. Of
the Attorney Generals COO landaule and rerarked
his state, rode on the outside q So mule Laugh
teri There was Spanish provetb to the effect That
if you put beggar horseback he will ride to the
devil.
Mr. NEGLEY objected to the comparison Of an Of
acrr Of the Government to beRgsr on horseback
Mr.. NEsM1TH-1 simply referred to the mule
Tha CHAIRMAN gentleman from Oregon will
continue. being careful to Keep IN order
proverb which says Put Beggar On Horseback aud
he will Ride to the Devil" nave no objection to the
termination of the journey In that particular direction,
but don't want the people to for the Transports
Mr. DURHAM said that az sub b-comuitee, Com
itsce Contingent Expenses in the Department Of
Justice he had investigated the subject, and would he
prepared in day or two 10 make report Of the ex-
travagance Of that department, but he now desired
the Chairman Of the Committee on Appropriations to
state how many horses provided for In this 81 400
item.
Mr. GARFIELD replied that the bill said nothing
be many could To provided for with that amount
Mr. DURHAM repeated the question III q somewhat
different form, aud said he wanted trunk and candid
answer.
Mr. GARFIELD replied that the Committee on Ap-
preparations had required from the AttoEneE-GencrA
the past year. and that instcad OF appropriang the
sum in lump as had been formerly done, the Com
mittte bad now reported appropriations IN close de-
tail.
Mr. DURHAI-1 still put the question to the gen
tleuaan, as be has temized this 1natter, how many
Nj. GARF1ELD-H the gentleman as d sub Conn.,
nice has made careful investigation. he answer
the question as well a8 I.
For u.s. want 10 Know now many 'nS's A'' 10
Mr. GAnF1ELD-rhe number Of horsea In the fu-
ture, suppose, depends upon the amount aPpro-
pSlate1 for tlElr care and keeping.
Mr. DCRHAM-How much have you provided for
Mr. GARFIELD am utterly incapable Of furnish
ing brains to understand my statement. Ve nave
limited the amount to be used for the keeping Of
horses and 1epar OF carriages. II the gentleman
duce it.
Nj, DCRHAM-H have not brains to understand
the gentleman who is At tie head Of the Approprs-
ton Committee and ask8 an appropriation Of 81, 400
for keeping horses will not have The fairness and can
dor to answer Oh the floor Of the House. Will have
the House to Judge between himself aud me.
hir. GAHF1ELD-There Is no need Of auy heat
about this matter. The Attorney sisted to the
PEELED TO the Court Of Claims on the Government
side through his assstants but to attend to a
in the Supreme Court to which the United States IL
party, th.t there is not day that be does not
quire the Of horse and carrage md 1t makes
difference whether # shall be By whut the Government
to break down the habit Of years. and sweep
out all Arrangements for horses and carriages
quarrel With that policy except that it has not been
the custom OF the Government for the Inst serentve
years It knows that there have been abuses In regard
to horses and carriages various departments; these
abuses older than any member Of tho House.
There has been Attorney yGenera since the founda~
with horses and carriuges by the Government IS
part OF his official outfit There is not IN hour Of the
day when the heads Of Departments not liable to
be called upon to meet the President in Cabinet.
know that some Of them, in riew Of
all which has been said On this subject, have
expressed their wish 10 have the whole thing
T in IA
General, there has been purchased for him au cx-
pensive carriage which ought not to have been pur
sble Use Of the contingent fund in d way IN which
Of here to defend OF hppro7e. That, how
ever, done, as the Committee assured, not by
the AttorneyGeneral IN person, but by subordinate,
the fund having been always managed By tho Clerk
one Of his assistants. The Attorney-Goneral had
knowledge Of the matter Of the EXPENSE and had
gretted what had happened Let us do what ought to
oe done question Of general management, not in \
spirit p Of Of persecution @ cut n. Of N N onaceI
and emoluments, horses carriages, and everything else
allowed to the Attorney-.neral or were not ade-
quate to sustan the position 60 tiat poor man could
air. GARFIELD replied that he did not think TINT .
carriage for the use Of the Office should be considered
increase the salary. II the office Of
needed for the proper discharge Of it's business thu
spiosent Of , carriage and hoIsss it. ought to be
to tho adequacy Of the salary, he did
rot not oe eeievs tners vas any man t for
services would not rcudcr him far greater coupeasa
,iou He had used expression In reference to the
gentleman from Kentucky {Durharn} which he wished
TO Withdraw. he had said testify thet which he re-
GREETED, and hoped the gentleman would pardon him.
Mr. DuRHAH-I accept the genternan's apology.
Ar. WOOD characterized the practice Of heads Of
Departments using public horses aud carriages for
their private convenience rs shameful abuse, but
denied that the practice waB Of long standing or OF
any stsndiug prior the Republican Administration.
Nr. WHEELER IN. " in reply produced . voucher
found IN the War Department showing that in 1859,
the good days OF Buchanans rule, and while virtuuus
John B. Floyd Secretary Of War, he charged $2oo
for tho difference between old wagon and u fine
Germantown carriage.
Nj. KELLOGG thanked Mr.. Garfield for his good
and manly speech.
g. F. HOA1, believed reasonable and decent con-
yeyauce should be provided for the AtorneyGeneraf,
and he asked the gentleman from Oregon {Sestnith}
whether be would like to have the Attorues-Geuer.l
ride down Pennsylyatla avenue on the back Of $50
mule.
Mr. NESNITH, first noticing the statement of Mr..
Wheeler raid that voucher showed that the c1trav-
agauce lind been increasing III the ratio Of the differ
ence between 500 wagon and Il 500 andau1et. In
reply to Ar. Hoa1 he said he had seen the Attorney
General in oregon on mule; that Philip H., Of
Spain, rode Audalus!an mule through the streets
OF Madrid when lo went TO marry Mory Of England,
sacred history gave sccount Of better, men than
either Of them riding Of those useful animals