New-York tribune., 1874-12-22
THE PACIFIC MAIL INQUIRY
Continues. from First Pare.

ede, Wnon yOI told them how much IT would cost,
whelher thcv wou,J with tho appicaton for the
.uo.dy or uolf A. There Eas no express understand
O. Was THAT what YOU meant IN your last answert A.
Vas s SeaDtcr e"S ~ ~ ~ %ts Hns' n % the %%Gnt
BY which the Coupaav WIS bou ID the m liter and
matter OF ir'. At the limo otaloL To them the
them from the wn"c thug nd 10 return to thcm all the
money which had provouL' ncon expended. on also
urged them, as bad doho before they went into the
thing ~ drop IT. ,
sS sNSGs |GSI to S%Oaq was '''''""ed were y0" paid
Q. Tuo check Will sAow the date. supposef A. Yes
Q. And you spoke Of the amount OF this check mo-
memt ago. a. l1c am"nn OF ',i IT," checks "mT re-
me by The C"mpan aud stated he am0u'i rom tner
my impression is int tue amo"n substantially cor
tec ont oi t3nrs wonu not !Nc 10 swear 10 any thing
Y II stated ny the Company to hc how much, A.
II Is stated by ;hc.n TO % "tu',t s;5Itoo
q And YOU hcliev1 that 10 D. c"rrectf A. believe
q Thst Ans to embrace your own personal ser.
wees and your CNp"uSr,1 A. YrS SIR.
Y Waat expe Sos wcrc y'u to incrr here A. 1t was
% lover all expenses lnclrred ucre.
PRESSING tLlS appItailon Tor q siosliyf A. Yes, Sir
expenses from sau F.ancIsc ana tho services OF
all persous einpl"fed nv hF. an WAS TO protect the
Company AGAINST ANY claIm which might bo made by
= D:d all TIL n'ney paid out by tho Company in
securing The s>aI' of the subsidy pass through you
A. do not kh W. sir.
A. That was the aGtrrhcnt between NJ. Stockwc anu
myself; the agreement was that Was 10 have cntIEe
@ THIS S7jO0U-.f that ia the right sum-covers these
expenditures uy yUui a. Yts, Sir--wait minute; 1
understand you ~ tde "Ord covers" TO mean to ask
ne, Was that ..Ii
q do not m n th1t. Dos TINT sum cover anything
eset A. II covers .o dDg else that have stated.
O. II covers n"thiLx nut the money expended bY you
cbts,uing tho passage Of tue subsidy A. That and
o. You mean tnai II covers nothing hut those expend
lures ana your personal expenses In that matttri
A. No. 1t covers all NV clsonal expenses IN New
York and shnston AMI y travelling expenses to aud
O. You youc personal expenses in AMI about the
matter of the s.Hsid. A. IL covers al. Sir IL was
understood that cane here was to have all my ex
O. Want unaerlard whether it covered your per
sonal expenses thing not connected with this mat
teri A. virtually ha nothing else 20 attend to- but
whatever ex pens od have they paid.
IAt this pint IRWIN sid ho was loo unwell to 60 any
further. and the ex4mluaIIoI was suspended until the
i1tb.l
SECOND DAY OF IRwIS's EXAMINATION.
December i7.-Tae subcommittee continued Twins
examination ut his room a. fOl!ows:
Tho witnesss-lcfore You proceed with the examina-
tion. wish 10 make sliSnt correction IN my ties mouy
,fyesIerday NtL cd that my employment in connec-
on with the SUBSIDY ater cxten led over five months
from January to May 1872. inclusive, without any
idea. was really employed by the Company upon this
special business at varous periods ottween loSs sui
ls2; that to saw during each OF the sessions OF Con
gress-lss97O 1901. and ls1l72 bad previously to
iDgton business tom the year 1875 to 1869 SO that
III fact l had cOutinu+d charge OF tne COn-
was e@roved oy tue Comp whether 10 NewiYork or
San Francisco from 1865 to 1877 inclusive. and 1t al
subsidy business al tue earnest request of the former
y rrrsGenS Si 1e eh nnt NV nO
was under grcacr obligations to him than to any other
ssy Osr man and | en
with my whole heart. He had only to call on me
McLsne ofi.red ne Ic ~ Francisco agency, which
Glnk was IN Arri', 1901 my principal inducenent to
family NJ that t wished TO live, was to escape from
this very Washington business. and / so stated dis
tsctly AZ the tn 10 D'cembtr 1862 my first intima-
I00 that tins 'h iae>s Vas comihg rp again was re-
eived in the form OF tclsram from MeLaae regneft IT.
January. 1870 1 found thar Mr.. Robert McL,ne. his
Ssa MI r a caused to the
Ioduced in Consrss, bill to to rcrssse e the China ,hs,
they got jist far win IT. and could not get any
TaS ma sIS To come @ S TO and take charge Of
After coming 10 Wa>hin- -ton represented 10 nun tltt
Congress. aud speLt the whole of mat Winter sub
santisy III rcc0hn, erns the GrnlinI ana DONG moth
ing else That tue Winter Of lS9-7o from January
on ieavin; N.w-Ycrh in AuGns. 1s;O. again urged
ct aud whether he alb ,ndoncd or not, TO release me
e. reconsider the SUBJECT dccded continue and
was again lei East IN Novcm"er and remained IN
session of CONGRESS. 1o7!-7s. during which session
again we did very little. except to review
the bill La AprI. 1871 Just before returned TO nv
home IN sd at my IN Sc aT HaF ana p5
Ia individual attention, l submitted number OF
points when struck as being OF the highest import
sLand Of the Panqlna ine another the reor gam
zauOn OF the C"mpany's Asidc agencies, and another
the abandoli ol tuis suD.ly matter represented
Mr. AtLane that III my opinion would cost at least
kNGoO to Psss this b aud tnat 1t would cost large
portion Of mat sum to Try to pass 1t even If we
failed. and I urged hun to consider whether
cost; secondly whether he could afford take the
responsibility OF failure; aud tAird'J, ard chiefly
they should get this Dll passed without spending any
build tbeIr slips there and them under tue English
Hag Congress should refuse to naliOnaiize those sps
the question OF tue nag being Que entirely Tor the GOV
erDLent consider. and he only question open iOr the
merchant consider beng the qHesOn 9i pIont ana
loss. represented what then Deiieyed ana nov, now
believe. tLat our ships could oe built 50 mmcn ln
eLelpcr IN Great Britain, that when we consider
TIE iact tha OWING to inc greater % O y
ships and uacblnerv We c0nld perform Win TWO
Me work the balance OF the prOn ana loss ac
EnSish sSips without subsidy tnan would with Amer
oa1 ships with subsidy, even that SUBSIDY cost US
pOhiDg referred MIR. McLane at bis request, 10 TWO
Or three or tour gentlemen VINO could suostahao h & G
esmatc as to amount the passage OF tule o woulu
cO, lurgcd him TO tLihk over Tue t bis hrptbrT
Robert will mad previously iay oiScasseo tne
question: and wDo believed enteralned the same ns
hore in Wa,lingtOn as ny couoseL McLane Lane
1ld not seem to Oe a, that time 90 fy IL sS int
suGleot6d tUat be should send 10 kngisuu' Saps
Bscy or other eIp IL whom they nae cSca cTSa
dence to examine the subject and get plans specnGs
tons and esrnates; GENE time during the suceeeoins
Autumn received private ietter ron na had de-
eded n ~ to ADOPT substantially policy suggested aud
ta ,rr'.c Of Getting plans. spec acations and esti-
mates and he should drop the SUBSIDY t -, EmrnSe
and IA a OF TACT, Capt baoy Wan seu' !" I"oP
" d. this woik, ana be ulu u" ss.e<l
THE ACCESSION OF sTOCKwELL TO THE PRESIDENCY
In November 1871, by stock combination, an entireiy
new Board OF Directors was elected aud Mr. Alden d.
stockwell was made President He Immediately 90
cded as he informed me In January 1872 TO renew the
subsidy in question: and In accordance with the de-
cson although without my knowing the reason at the
rio In lD,