National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-25

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rice 1,rosiSe1t ~ tbs Reel 81 Public Worts
RI n+pns No that state-,ent " bicb tbat annronr.
st,an was asked for we've Won a member Of the
Board of Public Worksi A. am not positive
aho,t tbst -O
O Won are not nositive aboDt that A No
air. because 7 am only nositive T was never
asked abon, II f
n Won vent tbere IN oc,oher did vou no,7
A. Yes, sir. on the 23d of October.
q. That Is the renort of Noyember 1921 A.
Yes sir
i o. Yon find Il there do Won not3 A Yes
sir
| 8. Yon were Amounted engineer of the
hoard or reouested IN assume the duties of the
| enoineer of the hoard on the oath dav of De
cember. 1872. were YOU potl A,Iwas the en-
pipeer member of the board from October 90:
and was member of the Board of Public
Works,
| O. understand that: but Won had not charge
of the engineer department of the board until
| the 9th of December A. That IA correct.
| o. Now that report was made November II
A. Yes, sir.
! Q. When YOU went into the board in Oc-
tober, do you know whether Mr.. Oertley was
| not engaged at LlaL time In tle preparation oil
this statement A. am not positive about
| that.
| O., It was concluded in November. was IL
notl A. Yes, sir.
Q. 1t had already been defined by that time?
A. Most likely, On the 3Oth of October, TO
the best of nv recollection: one night
while at Governor Shepherd's private house,
he invited me to come and hear the writing out
of his report.
| o. By the LIST of November ANYHOW. that
statement was all completed, was it not? A.
The list of November, 1872.
| Q. Now, 1t was not until the latter part of
December you assumed charge of the en-
gineer's office! A. Yes, sir.
O. How could subordinate of YOURS, as an
engineer of the Board of Public Works, re-
sponsible to you, be detailed by the vice presi-
| dent of the board to make out this statement
on which this appropriation was based, when,
| in point of fact, at that time you had nothing
to do with the board7 A. have already said
that misunderstood the question: in my state
ment yesterday referred to the money drawn
out, and have formally retraeted, as far as
that point was concerned. ...
O. That is all the answer YOU desire to
makei A. Yes, sir. .. :. ~. =
Q. Now, Mr. Cluss, understand you to say
that you mistook the question, and your an
swer applied to the statement on which the
money was obtained. A. That's it,
"
ments made out-money obtained from the
Treasury Department. Now understand nv
question, please. Was that money obtained
from the Treasury Department or any state
ment of account made out by any of the depu-
ties in your Office, detailed by the vice presi-
dent of the Board of Public Worksl A. All of
these measurements were made BY subordi-
mates of my office without my knowledge, but
about the details, how it was done, am not
posted. 4
Q. Now that is a very plain question, and 1t
seems to me you ought to answer it in plain
way. You made a broad, sweeping assertion |
here day before yesterday, which you have now
to admit, in terms, is untrue.
Mr.. Hamilton. l do not think 1t is hardly fair |
for you to repeat that thing over to the wit |
ness. You have got an answer several times |
from him to the effect that 1t was under mis- |
apprehension of the question that he gave the |
answer that he did. He did not admit its IN |
truth, but he explains how 1t was that answer |
was given. He says the answer was given to |
question, as be understood #, in different |
shape. 1t is hardly fair, therefore, to state in
your question that he admits his answer to be |!
untrue.
Mr.. Mattingly. do not mean to be misun- |
derstood as putting Mr.. Cluss into the position |
of admitting that it was willfully untrue |
understood him to say that he Inexperienced |
the question.
Mr.. Hamilton. That is what he stated. You |
ought to deal fairly by the witness.
Governor Shepherd. Mr.. Hamilton, / think |
have right to be fairly dealt by also. This |
man comes here and makes a statement by |
which he seeks to asperse my character as q |
public officer. Now we want to show from the |
record that that lie untrue.
Mr.. Hamilton. Certainly, YOU NAV do that.
but do it in a fair way.
Governor Shepherd Certainly.
By Mr.. Mattingly: O. l understand Mr..
Cluss to say this, that in the statement which
he made in answer m that ouestion he rD;s;,n
derstood the Question: that his answer APPLIED
to the statement on which the money was Oh
tained from the Treasury Department, Is that
sol A. Yes. sir.
O. That is your exnIanation3 A Yes sir
8, Now that Is sol A. Yes. sir.
D, Then ask Won this onestion. Assumin,
that TO be true. do Won mean IN saw that that
money was obtained from the Treosnrv ne
part1eut on statements made on. bv one The /
DEPUTIES of your office for whom Won were va
sn6nsibIe detailed bv The vice r1-eS;dart IF ~
hoard. without your knowIedge or Consent. Dr.
Won mean 10 saw that
TWitness nansing
Mr.. HARRINGTON. T insist unon an ansvsr
O, Do Won 9pderstapd the ouestionT If Won
do. nlease answer Alan tbinLing how 20 L
answer am correct IN the shirt hut do