National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-26

values, &C., that seem 10 haye peeu
prepared By Mr.. Forsyth, surveyor Of ne DIS
s i &c sSssesn;ss q s So 10 r
@ You have nsxer tested that In any nay
TO know whether it>is4 srcurstei A. No, SIR
thetis not table Of mine. ~ NJ i
O. understand, nono Of these are tables OF
youFsi Al think this estimate b copied from
what / semi 70 General Babcock. l presume
that Is copy ofit. Ihsve never compared H.
however.
% Now, here, on page 50, there Is q tabular
statement. which purports to show that there is
81 ,056, 574 So due from the United. states Coy
ernnent. From whom did you get that table,
If you got It ut ALT A got IL from tho board
of engineers, believe.
O. Do you recolect who gave you that tablef
A. could not say which one Of them did now
o. Was u made up by Mr.. oertly, do you
thinki A. Mr. oertly had something to do
with Il, believe. Il think this was one OF the
papers that accompanied those vouchers. 4
: b. Do you know how he made n up-the
manner In which IL was'donef .A.Ieannotre-;
member now. rg..-f 81 s-'. lar] 9lt Z = d
o. Did you make any measurement Of date
of March %, 1STSi You. will End I'm, that
table q measurement Of March %, 1873. A.
Yea, SIR, -.-. s-as- 'g-T-- g--. rssr.y - !.
Q. Did you make Q measurement Of that
datel A. cannot say a. TO the date precisely,
would have to refer to the date Of my mem
oil have never been able to find any such a
one; and if you have one. would like to see It.
/ spoke 10 the Governor about that sometime
agoi A. I see following It out, y is PennsJl-
yania avenue. Yes, sir; made that measure
O. when was that made, A. think this
date is correct; the estimate does not appear
in the Governors answer, does III
Mr.. Wilson. No, sir; cannot find 1t.
The Witness. Well, It was LEFT out either BY
the Treasury Department or BY the public
printer; the measurement and estimate were
made Of the amount of work done on Pennsyl-
yanla avenue, from the Capitol TO the
Treasury-made by me, and believe was paid
for BY the United States.
Q. It has been paid for by the United statesi
A. Yes, sir. ---.-' Z. o.. go
Mr.. wilson. have never been able to find
that measurement, and would like to have
1t brought before the committee. q :
The Witness The estimate has no doubt been
len out accidentally from the estimates, be-
cause there was another left out which had
to 20 to the Treasury Department myself and
have supplied, and If / had noticed this was left
out would have had it supplied. -i-'
Q. You will find further down that that ap-
plies also to Louisiana and Indiana avenues! a.
They are all IN one estimate. --0 49, -
O. They are all In one estimate, and all have
been paid forl A. believe they have. Will
furnish you q copy If you want 1t.
O. do not know how 1t happened, but at
the outset of the examinationI asked the Treas
ury Department, and that I did not get. A.
Well, It took me, sometime to get the one
tried to get from the Treasury.
Q. Now, here is Q measurement, March "A,
1878, likewise applicable TO Pennsylyania
avenue. Can you tell me where that can be
foundl There seems to- be two measurements
of March IA, 1881 A. l cannot explain that
now from memory.
Q. What do you know in regard to this ad-
ditional work that Is in the next column OF
that tablet A. That was from the statement
prepared by Messrs, Forsyth and Oertly.
what that additional work means; when IL was
performed A. 1t means work performed
since made the measurements on which the
Government paid. 'H- =
Q. That is what that refers toi A. think
90. .. VI "a
Q. Are you aware Of the fact, or have you
ever noticed whether in the first column and
the second column work done by the District
prior to the board measurement March IA,
1873, embraced the same thingi A. No, sir;
do not believed ever looked at those tables
before. That Is, In print. T.- '--
@. Did you examine it and scrutiniZe It when
you sent 1t to General Bsbcock with q view to
ascsItaining its accuracy A. If this Is the
table, certainly did. With the exception OF
this old work done by the corporation which
was compiled from old vouchers: that did
not examine or pay any attention to.: Il took
that statement just as it was made out and
given.
Q. Now take the Governors answer and
look at page Al; did you make the measure
ment on which that voucher is prdicatedf that
is the voucher drawing 81, 100000 sppropria-
toni A. Yes, cir. - o. % -..' % II ~ Il1
o. You made those measurements. Now
do you remember whether In making those
measurements you embraced In them the
work that had been done by the old corpora
ton, or whether you simply embraced the
work done by the Board Of Public Worksi A.
Intentionally, have never embraced any work
done by the old corporation. .
@. Who was with you at the time you made
that measurement A. Mr.. Forsyth and Mr..
Oertly, believe. .....
@. In what way did you make that measure
ment7 A. By going into the street.
Q. What kind Of data had you with which
to make It'll Did you have any cross-sectionsl
A. No, sir; have never had any cross-sections
! OF any st-sot -
Q. How were you enabled, then to get at the
quantityi For instance, you will find 6,eSs
abled to get ct tie quantity on Louisiana ave-
specinep. Also. .2ss cubic wards of haul,
and 6. Sl9 cubic Yards of grading, and 6,819
cubic Yards of haul. How did YOU get at those
Quantities without apy cross-sectio1s. or any,
thing Of that kind by which to guide you'll A.
had TO rely on such Information as could
get in that case, the work as It shows on the
Ground and the vouchers that thew had paid
eontractors for a similar amount. = -
O. which d;d Won nlace tbe most reliance
mon the voucher that thew mad paid CON.
trsctors or tbe Indicstions tbs. Won would And
unon thu yronndj a. Well in this narticular
instance /, niscad more ,sIisnce an the vorch.
ars hScsnsa n ,Sss irnnossshie IN measure shs
,rsdin, Scc,,rsieIv
. r, 10 ;n,,.oss,t,a far vo, n ,et a. I. a.
c,r.tslw A Tss 81 'e So -
O. DID Mr., Forsyth and Mr.. oertly, or either
of them. cali your attention to the fact that
that embraced the old work, the work that lad
been done by The old corporationi A. No, sir.
q. You were in ignorance of that facti A.
Yes, sir. 0s- % e,e'rL -l. ~ .'szr 30 %.
@. You knew nothing about III A.. Nothing.
Q. Now, II you will take that table on page
50, import Of 1873. Idesire TO call yonr stten-
ton to IL, because there is matter in connec-
tea with this now, that when the Governor
was on the stand he said be was unable to ex-
plain, and II there Is any way of explaining Il,
desire TO get ct the truth In regard to it. You
may now take, for example, New Jersey ave-
nue.. Now look at that table, page Alb of the
Governors answer, and you find Il Is charged
up there SIS, 226; and L is the same In the
table-messurement Of March Il, 1873. Take