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unite among themselves. and they cannot unite with

is termed sacramental communion, which prempposes
mutual understanding In regard TO essenta artice5
OF faith II one party say to the other We feel
ourselves united in all the essential doctrines OF Chrs
tanity' this antamouns saying We consider you
as entitled TO receive the Sacramento from our hands;
and you must consider yourselves Obliged 10 give he
Sacramento 10 us when we ask them'that is what IL
called sacramental communion, and that IL something
real Is to be brought about must be the ultimate emu Oh
our efforts We can entertain friendly intercourse with
other bodies protesting the Christian doctrines; but We
do not need particular arrangements FOR tha or
any particular understanding We can and do main
tain the most friendly relations with the Protes-
tants OF Germany; but, as matters now stahu, no
Protestant would receive an Old Catholic 20 com
muuion, aud vice versa, Old Catholic would re-
ceive the Protestant communion" | asked II TINS
Dr. D5linger. "but concession has here TO be made
The whole Oriental CHURCH, tho Church Of England,
ali the other churches have the communion OF ooth
kinds The Roman Church alone has withheld the cup
from laity, and this mutilaton will probably be
given up the Old Catholics This question 10 the one
which must be resolved first Of ALL In discussing other
articles Of doctrine, the first question should pc
The Integrity of the teachings OF Christ and the Apos
ties Has the Church in all centuries looked upon II as
essential article Of faith or doctrine II these gues
lions be in the affirmative, the0, OF course te
next step is to try 10 come to an agreement ut IL
bodies ha We declared beforehand this question to be
substantial one then all hope OF coming 70 mutual un
those who undertake such conference that In point
hope that substantial differences may Dc iound 10
the great dogmatic difference between the
Oriental Russian Church on the one nspG, snu
the Church Of England the Roman Catholic Church ana
naturally also the OLD Catholics whether in the mys
terry OF the Trinity the procession OF the Holy Ghost
the Father and the Son, from the Father alone
Now this is question referring to the principal mys
terry Of the Christian religion-the mystery or the
Divine Trnity-t is at all events an Important ques
teachngs-the teaching Oriental Church with the
teaching OF the Western Churches and that may con-
itself there is no real derence-that this difference is
only in the theological terminoogy or in the way OF
tertain essentially the same Of the relations be-
tween the Holy Ghost and the Father and Son. NOW II
we can to the conviction that there Is really
no essential difference Of doctrine between us In that
question, then only one great dlitculty or lmpe1meu
has no other reproach make TO the Oriental Church
Ghost"
We spoke the conduct Of the Prussian Government
While DR.. D0lnger admitted the Government had
shown itself favorable the movement, he thought
that the reform had been retarded and hndered by
Catholic Bishops anu clergy. Wherever the continued
such state of things takes place. the sympathes OF tne
people enlisted more than before In favor OF the
persecuted-and that a great hinderance to u.s." Dr.
D6linger thought that Prussia had no idea when the
them would be general that the sympathes 81 the
people would be aroused to such an extent IN the orec
ton they have BEEN He thinks that the Prussian
Government begins to that its difcutles must IN
with every fresh act OF ana may AZ
last ud itself In kind oflabyrinth out or whch tuere
is no issue 1t cannot imprson thousands Of priests
Such things become at last an aosurdity, and IL Is
follow the directions Of their Bishops; even
those imprisoned. 1t Is impossible 70 pre-
at least by delegation, MS power when that power y
universally acknowledged. He always finds means 20
transmit orders secretly The Archbishop OF Coosne Is
constantly governing his diocese, although imprisoned
And SO it is with the rest OF the Bishops" Dr. D0nger
spoke OF theI OF Munchs recent protest
against the Bavarian Government suffering the Oin
Catholic Bishop Reinkens 20 perform ecclesiastical
functions within his diocese Tine G2yernment ssio
DR.. D6linger could not prevent it, The whole protest
an absurdity. On the hand, the Archbishop re-
jeots the Old Catholics as not being members OF the
Catholic Church; aud the other he claims them as
members thereof and this ground he protests against
Bishop Renkens interfering with his ecclesiastlcal
functions. He says the one hand, reject you, DO
not acknowledge you' and on the other he says i
claim you and when you the sacraments you must
address Yourself to and not TO any other Bishop
But IL is such garing contradltion that he makes MIN
SELF ridiculous"
In conclusion the conversation was directed 10 the
progress rather progress of Old Catholicism In
the United States There" said DR.. D0inger, the
Old Catholic movement has not progressed In the least
Roman Catholicism there is Irshism, and the Irish char
acter affords sympathy for such movement. There
Is much sympathy for us among the members OF
the English Church. In the United tates the move
ment Is scarcely observed partly because the people
been taught by their own history to feel the
eneroachmens OF the ecclesiastical power They DO not
notice Papal and entertainments just as In
great part of Europe the same carbohydrates was
evident before the Vatican Council"