New-York tribune., 1874-08-15

refused sign any note and MT Moulton laughed slg
nincanty. and said that Mr. Tilton subsequently, took
the money without giving any note. ,. ~
@ Did you receive any note OF security wnatever or
evidence OF debt from Mr. Moulton has there been
any offer to return the money to you'll A Nothing OF
the kind 1t was never expected to be returheo pT
O. Has Mr. MoultOu said anything to you about money
in comparatively recent period a. ApIh! iDT Ine aS haS
been gwen understood that he had onered soVV III
gold TO Mr. Ttop If he would not publish MmoS tnSt fe
profoundly that Mr.. Tlton could not come OUT witns
disclosure of all thus matter VIII tSe, hs ored in
gold Mr.. Tlton would not publish thst ieter J.. ,eu
10 some little conversation about supply OF money
and he said that had better give him my whole for
tune than have Mr.. Titon go on in his course. . -
O. That you had better give your whole i0rtune W
Mr Tilroni A. Yes, rather than have Mr.. Tilton go
into this fight ,,,. -, .ho
Bacon leteri A. can't be certain about thst I" was
about that time
MR. MoULros FAvoRs SILENCE.
O. Did Mr.. Mouton question you In regard 70
TINS matter whether you had ever spoken on tna' 10
any one or any anxiety In your nina ABOUT
III A. He did not many weeks ago. among tho last In
terviews had with him.
O. Since the publication OF that Bacon letterf A. YES
think il was on the Sabbath day after the appointment
OF Committee; preached but once on lat "a uat ~
and on the Of that day ne saw me and sara 70
in conversation, You nave never n9i,aone hH 20
about that five thousand dollars said yes hac 10
one or two persons; l mentioned Oliver Johnson
for one because he was SAVING nd we're e saving
and / incidentally mentioned that 10 nun, witch no
sad will never admit that shall deny It always"
O. Have you any objection to state what MI Iilt0ns
friends saying TO Oliver johnson ana others VIVA.
did Oliver johnson say to yOui A. ON one occasion ne
reported that among the friends OF MT iton no
was endeavoring to help Theodore reputation or in
any other way and that the expression was tns tGat
track in life, and that would not renstate MIN. re-
Piled in substance that 80 far as repatato wss Us MI NJ
Tton. but that his association with the Woodhu was
fatal to him, and could not make any head against ~
With ard IN he % npr
been wiling to help him materially ana that recehty
O. Did Won see and have conversation with Mr. Til
ton after the payment OF the s5oOof A on @ tne
sunday morning following tue 0 Oe tns s Tton
standing right opposite the house. lie pnt ms % arm
While walking along down the church ho was taking
all the OF grace. mercy ani peace w mc, '.nu " a.
that time recolect thinking, that s'ON was very oi
By Mr.. Canin-Did you at any time receive the note
which the Committee nave in evidence rs follows;
~ W b.; Grace mercy aud peace TT
A. Yes He sentit on Sunday morning by his wife.
who had it laid on my pulpit stand. . 30, o,or,
May 1873 the money OF coarse was pal1 TO r' Mon
ton after your mortgage was lnadef A. Yes SIR dld
from the Mechanics Bank. where drew it, and put it
into Mr.. Moultons hands on the same DAY ana "ithh
few hours
@. At his housei A. ! do not know.
O. Did you have trouble with Mr.. Titon during the
latter part of that month"; before the lst OF June 1873
A. do not know the months IN @hch nave not nau M
trouble with him but no made special outDnrst at me
cation OF the tripartte which led To my let
| ter to Mr. Mouton. June l. 1873
| MR.. CARPENTERS PART AS BUsYBoDY.
@. Here letter dated May /, 1874. in which Mr..
TOn refers to story OF Mr. Carpenter about your
Offering money; did you receive that letteri A. did,
| Sir; it was a magnificent humbug; l knew that Mr..
Tiltou knew that lie had been tnkling my gold in his
pockets for months and years and he wrote that letter
| 10 he published for a sham and mask:
@ What did you understand by Mr.. Carpenters rea-
tions 10 the money matteri A. My first kpOwledge Of
Mt Carpenter was that he was putting his nose into
this business which did not concern him; that was also
| Mr. Mouton's IMPRESSION; l asked Mr. Moulton one
day. WHAT under the sun is Carpenter doing round
here meddling with this matterP he summary
damned him, and represented him as good-naured
and wellmeaDiDg busy body suggested why did mt he
tell hun distinctly that his presence was not wanted
he said, Well. he serves us some useful purposes;
place Now York. put Carpenter track. aud
he fetche all the rumors ana so we use him 10 nd ont
what could not get otherwise" and did fnd that
he not only did that but that Mr. Carpenter was one OF
those good natured men whose phianthrOphy exhibited
itself IN trying settle quarrels and difficulties by pick
ing everything lie could Lear said by for against
man aud carrying il TO the parties where 1t would do
the most harm possible he kind of genial, good
natured fool and ia all this matter he has been tool
more than helper; he has never once done anything
except in the kndest way aud never once done any
thing Ill the whole OF this matter from beginning to end
that a stupid bunder; made up mind from
the beginning that as was silent to everybody IN tins
matter, would be especially silent TO him, Carpenter
recOllect only one interview with MIN that bad any
particular significance. He came TO me once when
the Council was In session. and our document was pub
lished. There was phrase introduced INTO IL hai MI
TIlton thought pointed TO him, and Mr.. TtOn that
night bonfire flame, and walked up and down
the street Win MI. MoutOn. was IN at ffoelanus,
and in Carpenter. with his dark and mysterious
eyes; he down the sofa and in kind OF sepu!
cbral whisper told me OF some matters SAYS L. That
Is all nonsense; that 1t meant - and -" and Mr.
on another he came to and in great glow
OF beneyoence said there vas 70 be neTsp3Per % eSiaS
ship OF 1t. aud a half million was to he raised
almost BY the tap OF dra@ was glea Soe
leave the pulpit think 1t very likely should go
into journalism. 1t would be more natural to me than
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ton. One other conversation have some rec0lecton
on foot TO buy The Golden Age OF Mr.. Tton and send
HIM Europe. and Mr. Carpenter came III and talked
with about it. recollect very distinctly that con
velsation; my eyes were beginning TO be enlightened
My education was beginning TO tell on me ltt!e and
is a matter whic; I have nothing 10 do with 1
don't know but that II Mr. Tton Wishes TO 90 10 europe
friends wsuld be willing to raise that amount OF
money but that is matter you must talk with some
o. Did you say that if Mr. Titon printed his docu
lnents you would ascend that pulpit againi A.
never said that should talk about tho thing
with such a weak man as he
Q. VINO introduced the subject or going to Europe
when Mr. Carpenter came to see youf A. He did
MR.. BEKCHER's WORK, AMBITION, AND FUTURE.
O. In the statement which you have made aud the let
ters you have published you express great agitation,
sorrow aud suffering. even to anguish. How do you
reconcile that with the tone of your public minstra-
tions and with the declarations OF peace and trust
which have fallen from you from time to time In the
lecturerOoml A. explain it precisely In the same way
as do the words OF Paul. who said that he died deaths
daily that he the ofscouring OF the earh-having
the care OF all the churches-and yet with all this
burden on his mind. no described himself as living in
the most transc ndant religious peace aud Joy that
stands on record in human literature" Cody sorrow
workeh 10y" The first effect OF these troubles to me
was most anguishful and depressing and oftentlmes
1 lay in them even a SHIP heaves on the sea In
times calm, when she make no progress and yet
cannot be still. But after rttle came the reaction
the power Of the Holy Ghost my mind was lifted
above these things, and said 10 myself II Is my bus
and minister to live the doctrines have
been preaching" / have always been telling people
how to manage sorrow aud telling men how TO bear up
under their troubles 1 determined that l would not