The New York herald., 1874-12-10

Beecher In answer TO yours that you wrote hh
iered IN evidence and MARKED aExhiou Anl
Q. At the same time did you receive any othel
letter. A. received one or two letters after tina (
! z. But at the same time did you receive q letter
from MIN enclosed to Mr.. Derbys A. Yes, sir, TO
O. Is TINS Mr.. Beecner's original letter or copyi
@ II Is ! copy OF Mr.. seschsr's letter to Mr..
Q. MIR. Derby was the proposed publisher OF a
new bookf A. hes. str.
A. Yes. SIR; some one suggested that should take
. copy ofit, ana did.
Y DID TINS letter OF MT Beecher result In MT;
think 1t did, but l don't remember; think IL
modified greatly the way In whicn he issued the
book.
@. Afterwards did you have q personal inter.
view with Mr.. Beecner on the subject. A. did
who eir more aggrieved so to say, than did, and
considered that IT WAS very great breach of fath
q. what was the result OF Mr.. Beecher's letter
and personal explanation upon your mlndf A.
The result was that understood the motives
the book and allowing 1t to be published, and In
consequence Of this explanation l supposed that
never could get over the feeling mat it was really
Q breach OF Iaith In q business Arrangements
which was perfectly well understood Dy me and my
riends
o. Did you complete the second volumei A.
never did; my interest In the book was over from
that moment, and the manuscripts lies to-day just
as dropped itln December, 1858.
q. What nave been your aersOnal relations with
Mr.. Beecher since tnat timer A. have seen very
little Of Mr. Beecner since then we nave been en-
tlrely friendly, but suppose the last ten years
sne eGt i m
seen him once. and that was at funeral OF q
O. what were your relations with Mr.. Beecher
previous to the publication or previous to this
diculty In regard to t2 A. Simply that OF an inter.
ested hearer OF his sermons ana OF friend Of the
Bowen family, but about that time he was never
very much at MIR. Bowen's, and they often re-
gretted or expressed their regret that Mr Beecher
had not visited them as be had done in i0rmer
years.
was ever at any time any improper or indeiicate
relation existing between you and Mr.. Beecheri
A. Never SIR never.
O. Has he under any circumstances ever ofered
Never. l never had the slightest difficulty with
Mr.. Beecner about ANYTHING. or occasion TO
criticlse him IN any wav, 30 lar as my own per-
sonal acquaintance with him was concerned. ex.
cept In regard to this BOOK matter; felt greatly
aggrieved and injured about inst at that time.
q. Were you ever with him IN any way or under
any circumstances calculated TO provoke crit
O. State wnat the extent OF your intercourse
with him wass A. never went out with Mr..
Beecher but once, ! believe. in my lie and tnat
was Tor two or three hours In the miudle OF the
day, to see some pictures in Brooklyn Iremember
going with him to New York TO see pictures, from
perhaps eleven until two or three O'CLOCK went
to the studio OF Mr.. Johnson whose sister had
known, and that ts the only time ever went any
where with Mr.. Beecner. was two or three times
his house. with friends, to see pictures and en-
cravings.
@ Under what circumstances Detail the cir
General Butler-Pardon me; but why 40 you
think that Is necessary
General 1racy-Only to negative.
General BIter-But she negatives everything
ana what is the use OF L. And we do not con-
royert anything OF this special character that
Miss Proclor-I remember going one evening"
with the late Henry J. Raymond, to visit Mr.
Beecher, on his invitation Mr.. Raymond called
for me at Mr.. Bowen's, and on going over we
looked at engravlngs and pictures ior an hour or
s%S M.n hnr. Rsnsd,c NJ ana nVrs Tr and
some others. whom nave now forgotten; think,
perhaps. on another accession went TO Mr..
OF which he had . large collection; remember
being III mis- stuuy for lew moments; these were
house orstudy; OF course met hiIa at church and
at concerts, DC, but never accompanied him at
any other time but this one TO which l have re-
ferred.
General Butler to General Tracy III you would
just ask this lady when she ceased attending the
General Traty-'TEat Is the question that was
just gong to ask. To Miss ProcLor-When did you
cease attending on the minstrations Of MI.
Beecher2 A. attended his church un TIL lett here
to go to Europe, IN April 1885 when In BroOklyn-I
was much out oil Brooklyn-but when was in
was some two years away; since my return.
whenever have been in Brooklyn, have sually
attended Dr. Storrs' church. because OF the fatigue
oil the services OF Mr.. Beecher's church.
Q. Will you state the circumstances under which
the letter Of January 49, is7l or the line when ou
A. On New YEARS. day, 1871. James Freeand -
General Butler-One word, my darling. Here
MISS Proctor-I was only aoout to say
General Butler-Excuse me.
Miss Proctor-That Mr.. rlton-
General Butler-Excuse me again.
General Tracy-Come to your Interview with Ar.
Beecher direct.
General Butler-Stop q moment Please not to
tell wnat you heard
MISS Pr0ctor-On the 10th Vi January, 1871, Mr.
Beecner called upon me, and on going into the
parior. after q lev moments OF INDIFFERENT CONVEX
sation, he said there was great deal OF trouble
between Mr.. Iilton and Mr.. Bowen In which he
was implicated. He also said ne hardly knew who
friendly to him or who was not, He hoped I
had no III feeling toward him on account OF the old
difficulty; sald Certainly not Mr.. Beecher;" ne
than ADDED that he had nvtniDg which showed
that as ne was 30 severely censured by me and his
friend Bowen he sometimes feared that II | were
MIR. Bowen, or through what Mr.. Bowen might
say In regard to this trouble He desired, II had
what my feeling was at the time about this ann
Guilty, and what 1t was alter l knew the circum-
which led him to to take the ne da
much surprised al this request, but knew nothing
ABOUT the troubles OF these three men, which have
speak very severely to Mr.. Bowen about MIR.
Beecher's course. as well as 10 others, and
| exaggerated the importance OF the whole
matter at the time, and being very sorry that II
was now causing MIN annoyance, SAID, Seer
talnly, Mr.. Beecner; II you will come to the
library, where can get writing materials, ! wit
do what 1 can ~ as we went up stairs remember
asking him what was the trouble between Mr..
TIlton and Mr.. Bowen Mr. Beecner replied, In .
general way, that T1lt0n's views had drifted away
from Mr.. Bowen's and from those OF most OF the
subscribers 10 the Independent, and that, there
fore, Bowen thought their relations had better
terminate; when we reached the library opened
the drawer OF the writing desk aud took up pen
and piece OF paper found, and remember say
ing, "Mr. Beecher, am not used TO documents or
this sort, and hardly know wnat TO say;' he said
"Merely an expression OF what your ceilings
were before you knew my motives and
the circumstances which impelled me TO
allow the other book to be pub
iisned, and what .hey were after rwards;''
began to write, talking all the while; remem-
Der while was writing saying to Mr.. Beecner,
"What ts the matter between you ana Mr.. T1't0n
what trouble nave you with Tilton 20 "Tllton," ne
SAID, "has never been very friendly to me since
the publication OF the Cleveland letter;'' said,
al don't know anything about 1t; wnat was the
Cleveland letter ~ MIR. Beecher went on TO give