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the building lima Of f,itnset circle, IN some In
stances, rad outside Of tho cnrb line INTO the
gree; but I do not know but what Mr.. Dlick-
ensderfer corrected that himself on the grehnd.
think he did, 10 Q certain extent. think be
stated, however, that he dh- not measure the
entire curb Linz 70 where bad MEASURED u.
By Mr.. Stanton: Q. On the last table think
that Mr.. Biickensderfsr does not make that de-
duction. Tho corrected tables submitted BY
him On pages 1000 and 2001, II seems to me he
did not. When he first testified, he certainly
did make that allowance, and explained II, but
afterward, In the revised result submitted a.
his second examination II was not given.
may be mistaken, but think not.
Mr.. Blickensderfer. There are no revised re-
suits with the single exception Of Rawiins
square.
Mr.. Stanton, ito Mr.. Samo.1 Q. At Rawlins
square find you have measured for 81 yards
wood pavement, and that Blickensderfsr has
measured for none. Is that wood pavement
thereI A. Yes, sir.
O.. Within the building linei A. Yes, sir.
By Mr.. Stewart: Q. On what point were you
invited by Mr.. Blickensderfer to go with him.
Where did you 90 with him, and where did
You mott A. went with Mr.. Blickensderfer
to P-strcet circle and Scott square reservation
at New Hampshire avenue and o street, at
Rawl.ns square, and 10 no other work.
Q. Did you go with him to those places on
his inyitationi A. Yes, SIR.
@. Did You know when he made the other
suryeysi A. did not. H'iL
J. BLIcKENspERFER, yR., REokLLED.
By Mr.. Wilson, Q. You heard the statement
made by Colonel Same in regard to the man.
ner In which you measured P-street circle,
State whether or not you did make the allow
ances to which he has REFEREED A. 1 heard
the statement of Colonel Same; 1 sm not quite
certain that understood him; bnt the fact IN
regard TO P-strect circle lie this: that on the ad-
joining property tho building lines OF portion
of It occupy one position; but at certain other
portions, between other streets, they occupy
another position more remote from the circle:
and If Colonel Same meant that I probably only
measured to the nearest buildfng-line, whereas
he went to where the building line actually was
in all cases, ne Is mistaken, for did the same
thing. moved back when the building line
moved back. My measurements moved along
with 1t and included the whole of it, and the
difference which II will be remembered stated
in my examination in the first instance-the
only difference that recollect of that made
with Colonel Same in that respect-was this,
that in measuring the curblng only measured
to the building line in each case, wherever 1t
was; whereas he, as I understood him to say,
had measured back to the end of a certain
granite curb that was laid, which In some cases.
went beyond the building line.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. When you testified in re-
gard to P-street circle you stated, I believe,
that you found more sewer there than had
been measured by Colonel Same. Am I cor
rect about the piaeei A. do not recollect
what stated on the subject, but think my
taular statement shows more sewer there than
he did, II l recollect Alright.
2. Did you measure all the sewer that was
there at the time you made the measurement
A. All that could find. r
Q. Have you made any investigation since
that time for the purpose of knowing whether
any portion Of that sewer had been put down
since Colonel Same made the measurement
A. I have made no additional investigation
upon the subject. stated in my examination
at that time that my recollection or impression
was that l had asked the engineers In reference
to that matter, and that they had stated to me
that there had been additional sewerage laid.
Mr.. Mattingly thought that I was mistaken on
that subject. I stated that was not sure In
regard to 1t, for It was only an impression. l
think have heard that repeated since, but
cannot tell by whom, that there had been ad-
ditional sewer made or put down since.
Q. have seen II stated in the testimony here,
and you probably got It from that; but you
measured all the sewer that was there at the
time you measured A. All that could find.
Q. So that If there was additional sewer put
down since he made his measurement, that
would account for the excess Of yours over hist
A. suppose 50. will state further that had
as guide TO my measurements Q map which
was furnished TO me by the engineers Of the
Board Of Public Works, which had requested
that they should furnish, showing the position
Of the sewers in that vicinity.
Q. One further question. What steps did
you take for the purpose Of reconcillng your
statements or your measurements with Colo
mel Samo's; what did you do; with whom did
you conferi A. / conferred first with Colonel
Same. may say this, that during the pro-
the time or the day on which saw General
Babcock, Colonel Same and were in the habit
Of constantly or frequently communicating With
each other. He frequently called upon me at
the hotel, and once went over to his office. /
did not find him there but left Q note and he
came promptly to see me, and In the course Of
this interview, I am not able to say positively
that when arrived at results, l requested him
to give me his method Of getting at these same
results for the purpose Of comparison, stating
that my results were not as his were, and my
impression Is that before communicated with
General Babcock, although cannot say when,
that had communicated to him every result
that had arrived at, or certainly every one
that he asked for. Then, after had made up
my conclusions In regard to the first examina-
L
cock. wrote him note first, requesting an
interview. He being out of the city, did not
receive that note, but az heard nothing from
him called upon him on Monday morning the
10th of May. He said that he had Just re-
turned to the city and had opened my note not
five minutes before ! called upon him and
granted an interview at once. He stated that
he would call at my room. and did so. Then
the interview took place that described In my
II ali h.
suits, every information that he asked for,
and stated that he was probably In
possession Of some information that might
reconcile these things, or explain them, that
had not, and had no means Of getting; and II
so, I would be glad II he would furnish them,
as did not want to make q statement until
gave him that opportunity; and then he took
his notes, as stated before, and, presume,
notes of everything. Not long after he LEFT
at the request Of General Babcock. under
stood him to say that he had seen General
Babcock. Ibid not understand him to say
that he had called at his request, but that he
had seen General Babcock since he had seen
me, and then spoke Of these discrepancies, and
we referred to Q paper that he had furnished
me previously, showing his quantities on DIFF
ferent parts of New Hampshire avenue. He
said that certainly those quantities were
said, "No, I think not" said, 81
have been there" "Well," said he,
twill you walk with me up to the avenue
and seeih Says /, "Certainly, BY all means"
We went up, and walked over the avenue back
and forth from P-street circle g part of the
way down, and my recollection is that on the
way down from P-street circle to Pennsylvania
avenue made the request. Said ], "Do you
want to 60 over the whole avenue, or will you
go back to my roomP made that inquiry.
Said he, 81 do not care about going over the
whole of IT," ssWell," said I, 'Hf you do not,
will take car and 60 TO my room" because
rheumatism. and could not walk as well then
as can now. Said /, "Wnl you 60 alongf'
'ssNo," says he, think viii go 10 my Office, !"
and thereupon We separated. From that day
to this think, Colonel Same never called upon
me again.
Q. Did you have the papers in your hand
when you walked over thai ayenuel A. can
not say what papers had further than this,
that had his papers-the paper which he had
furnished me showing the quantities at the
different points, as he had made them, which
had said that could not find at those points.
@. Did you or not ask him to find those
quantities for you'll A. Certainly; we walked
over the ground together.
Q. Was he able to do iti A. explained
that, think. pretty fully in my previous testi-
mony. In certain places he said that he could
not; he thought he had made . mistake as TO
the position Of the streets, and % on.
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