The New York herald., 1874-10-24
MORRTSEY'S OPINIONS.
The Tammany Chiefs ''Ta!k" with
Congressman Creamer.
A "PUBLIC PLUNDERER., ,,
Politics More Corrupt than
Gambling.
DK'S VANISHING MAJORITY

The ar-absorbing topic OF conversation and In
terest among the city politicians yesterday was
the scene in the Fifth Avenue Hotel between ex-
Senator Dreamer and Mr. John Morrissey. as re-
lated in Friday mornings HERALD Such .
meeting between the recognized leader OF the
anti-Tammany bolt and one OF the two cnief man-
ayers Of the Tammany organization had special
significance TO the men VINO are engaged in a |
desperate struggle for the power to pu the wires
which control the political action OF the metropo-
lis and rule the Empire State. The bolt and It's
effect upon the campaign In the city occupies the
attention OF all who study the sharp contest now in
progress, to determine not alone the character OF
our municipal and State administra tions, but to
control as well the political compile xion OF our
next United States Senator through the members
OF Assembly now to be elected. Accordingly.
whenever two citizens were seen talking politics
together the incident OF the Morrissey Creamer
confab in the Fifth Avenue Hotel was sure TO come
up as prominent topic OF discussion. This led q
HERALD reporter to enter into conversation on
the subject yesterday with Mr.. Morrissey, who
seemed no way averse to expressing his views or
to 'backtng his opinions' by risk OF money. In
the usual way OF sporting men, should such test
be agreeable to his tn nterlocutor.
JOHN MORRIssEY'S STATEMENT.
In answer to the reporters query Mr.. Nor
rissey saId :-"I did meet Mr. Dreamer the night
before last. In the morning q gentleman in
formed me that Mr.. Creamer said he would bet
$1,000 that Hayes would be beaten in the contest
for Register. That evening met Mr.. Dreamer
and three other gentlemen in the public hall OF
the Fifth Avenue Hotel approached him and
asked him II he wished to bet $4,000 that Hayes
would be beaten for Register. lie said he did not.
told him understood he did the night before ae
the Manhattan Club. He replied that ne did not
wish to BET any money on 1t at ALL l tnen asked
him why he attacked and villned me In speech
before public meeting the night before : He
said no had not attacked my personal character.
told him then wnat l saw In the papers was un-
true, as was also what was told me by people who
were there and heard him; and asked him II
there was anything In my public or private life
that was not as good as hiss His reply was,
Nothing that 1 know Of l then told him that
not In mine. He asked me what they were
told him that
r HE WAS A THIEF
He asked me, In what way told him that
he had served six or seven years In the State
Legislature and that there was not one bill passed
during that time In which his vote was not re-
corded on the thieves side that he was party
to the passage OF all the corrupt bills BY which the
citizeaa OF New YORK have been plundered and
SVtcu iOE sucms doouIcu ultu udu Nv OpycCslOu
to honest men crittcising my actions In any way
they saw ut; but did object to
sl@ PUBLIC PLUNDERERs
like himself doing It. He then SAID he did n OF
want to discuss that question in public place.
told him that when he attacked me In q public
meeting would not give him the choice OF a place
in which to discuss subsequently but that would
see to It he should meet 1t In public and private
both. He then went out OF the hotel There were
three gentlemen present and listening to the con-
versation, and called their attention to 1t as It
proceeded"
NR. MoRRIssEY's VIEWS OF THE RoLr.
To the question, "Wnat do you think OF the
present contest IN the city, the detection OF
Dreamer and Waterbury from the democratic
party. and their bolt in opposition to the Tam
many organ f'f Mr.. Morrissey SAID
~ think Dreamer is clearly working In the in
terest OF the republican party, and Waterbury in
the interest OF Charlick and Havemeyer. Water.
bury is the Mayors legal counsel. Havemeyer
would do anything he could to destroy the power
( OF Tammany, and judge that waterbury Is aiding
his client in this EFFORT proes ssionally; while Char
4 lick mas . similar fight with Tammany ON account
OF having expelled him for his treachery in the
last election. when he was Police COMMISSIONER
REP0RTER-What Is Creamer's motive for his
disaffectt0nf
i, MOhhlSoHI- -Ac 10 SukIy ~ uOt UctuR LcuOMI.
mated for Congress by the democracy.
RBPORTRR-How do you estimate the effect of
this bolt on the vote In the cityf
MoRRIssEY-I think. II Mr.. Otteudorfcr runs, they
viii pon about 1000 votes-not more. But
don't see how he can run, however. aud accept
cfeataef a. Che leader OF reform movement and
chairman OF the organization which gives
him the nomination II ne stops to look at
Creamer's record while In the Legislature.
He will ind his vote there alongside Of
Tweed Co. every time 1t was cast. He voted for
the charter Of 1870 after taking solemn oath on
Bible, with q party OF other men, that no would
oppose the Ring In all their schemes.
He SOLD HIS ASSOCIATES OUT
thirty days afterward and voted for every scheme
the Ring wanted him to until they fell The pas
sage Of that charter cost 81, o0o report says,
and Tweed used to say Dreamer was one OF the
highest priced men In the Legislature. Now In
Creamer's speech At the Cooper Institute he
alludes TO my fighting q prize fight and
gambling; both OF which have done.
l have done them manly ana fairly. I
never have stolen any PERSONS money, either al
the game OF cards or at the game OF legsla tion at
which latter game there IL even more corruption
than at the gaming table, as l can say from ex-
perience, having served the country four years as
q member OF Congress and having long been In
innate with the ways OF sporting men. / never
held any position Of any kind under government.
either city, county, State or national, except ~ q
member Of Congress for four years. l never re-
cetved, directly or indirectly, from the public
treasury any money except my Congressional
salary and never was interested
IN ANY JOB OR CONTRACT
under government, or had q dollar from any such
source. Creamer b Co. classify me as leader
IN Tammany Hail. They give me more credit than
am entitled to or want l never have attempted
TO assume any leadership. nor would II could.
am simply one man out of $50 belonging to the
General Committee. have fought against the
thieves who had control OF 1t from 1858 to 1871
The public turned them ont. l. Tor one, while
am member OF that organization, shall see to it
they are kept out.
LOYALTY OF GERMAN DEMOCRATS.
RrpnRTER- 10 Won thtnk tharn L. raallx any