The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1874-04-07
sANBoRN sPEAK S.
Testimony Of the Wonderful Treasury Farmer
Buffers Share in the spoil-The sinews Of
His Gubernatorial War Explanation
Of His Benevolence-Th Sanity
Of Mr.. Richardson.

WASHINGTON, April o, 1874.
The Committee OF Ways and Means had another
meeting this morning on the sanborn matter Mr..
Sanhorn himself was present, attended by his
counse, Mr.. Woodbridge, OF Vermont. under
whose advice he declined TO put In the written
statement which he had prepared some time
since. He submitted himself, however, TOR
examination, and was sworn and questioned by
the various members OF the committee.
sAHBoRN's TESTIMONY.
Mr. Foster, OF 0hio was the first to take him in
hand. TO him Mr. sanbcrn stated that wnen he
came on To Washington, some weeks ago, he did not
register under his own name at his notel but under
an assumed name. This was habit which he had
acquired IN his long business as q detective for the
Adams Express Company AMI az special agent
OF the Treasury Department. He had received
under his contract, between $4,000 and $2l1000.
Mr.. Foster-As net profit?
Mr.. Sanborn-Oh, no.
Mr.. Fos.er-How much did you pay 70 other per-
sons
Mr.. Sanb0rn-Probabiy ABOUT $1,000
MIR. Foster-Thar leaves you about O,00o2
Mr.. Sanborn--Yes; but | am engaged to pay
more. l have men still employed whom shah
have TO pay UP TO the time they arc notified TO
cease work.
Mr. FUStcI-FOI WuuJ VUIpOse UdVe you pau tnis
money!
Mr.. sanborn-For information for working up
cases.
Mr.. Foster-How much have you paid Tor coun-
sci fees?
Mr.. sanborn--From $4,000 10 $4,000. have
paid some OF 1t TO Mr. Prescott a Boston lawyer,
and have paid man named Morrison $4,000,
particularly Tor European matters.
REVENUE OFFICERS FEES.
MI. FOStef--favc you paid money to any inter-
nai revenue oflicerr
MI. SanbOrn--i have not.
MI. Foster-Have You paid anything to Special
Agent Harlan, or New England?
MIR. sanhorn--No, sir; not a cent for that pur-
pose.
M. Foster-ro whom did you apply for your con-
tract2
or three times and saw him. We had general
talk about II. He said, 81 gness you Will not collect
much but II anybody can collect anything you
CAM
Mr.. Foster You were acquainted with Mr.. Bout
well?
MI. Sanborn-Yes
MI Foster--Was your entire arrangement made
with Mr.. Boutwell,!
Mr.. Foster-And the whole matter was discussed
with him
Mr. Sanborn--yes
Mr.. Foster-And the mode Of operation
Mr.. SanbornYes, somewhat. l think he referred
the matter to the Solicitor.
MI. FOstcr-Was anything SAID in the converse
lions about the connection OF the Internal Reve-
nue. Bureau with the matter.
Mr. Sanbprn-Noth1ng at all.
MR. RICHARDSON'S PART
MI. Foster-How did You obtain the additions to
your contract
Mr. SanbOrn-When got the necessary luforma.
ton 70 enable me to make the contract went to see
him iMr. Boutwelp. but he had gone to Boston;
then saw Mr.. Richardson, who was Acting Secre
tary, and asked him II he had any objection to
making this arrangement. or whether l should
wait for Mr. Boutweli's return; he said that he
Mr.. Foster-Dd you have full conversation
with MI. Richardson about it 2
Mr.. Sanborn-Not particularly. He seemed to
know abOnt Ii. | thought SO. did not know how
ne knew IL. j had said nothing before to him about
Il; but he seemed 10 understand that was to have
the contract.
Mr.. Foster-And to understand the termsG
Mr.. sannoin-Yes; but they were TO be the same
as agreed to IN contracts with other persons.
A QUESTION OF SANITY OR sOBRIETY.
Mr. Fostcr-Dd he know when he was signing
the contract THAI ne was signing It
Mr.. Sanborn--l have no doubt about It,
Mr.. FOster-Din IL not come TO him as mere rOu-
tine business, and td he not sign it without Know
ing ity
Mr.. Sanborn-I should say not; do not know
what they call routine business.
Mr.. Foster-You think he had full knowledge OF
II, and knew what he was signingy
Mr.. SanDorn-i have no doubt about IL.
Mr.. Foster--rhe additions to the contract were
made after MIR. Boutwell, went out or otllces
MI. Sanborn-Yes.
Mr.. Foster-TelI us about them. What particular
knowledge did Mr.. Richardson have Of them
Mr. Sanborn-i should say that he knew all
about them rs much as did and more too. did
not pretend TO know anything about 1t, but went
dozen times. more or less. lie referred me to the
Solicitor and the Solicitor referred me to some
Mr. F0ster-S0 that The additions to the contract
were made with the full knowledge OF Mr. Rich
ardson, and he signed them knowing what he did
sign.
Mr. SanbOrn-There cannot be any doubt about
ii. Inever thought otherwise.
BUrLER's PROFITS.
Mr.. FoSter-fOu PAID no member OF Congress
any counsel feesY
Mr.. Sanborn-No sir
Ar En0tn nat ,l.f1ta tl.n
expenses OF certain gubernatorial campaign III
Massachusetts?
Mr. Sanoorn---Yes sir; always do it.
Mr. F0ster-That mad nothing TO do with the con-
tracts
Mr.. ssnoorn-Not in any shape.
how much You gave?
Mr.: sanborn-I don't think that Is proper. In
deal Of money in that direction in various waSs
Mr.. Foster--ln whose interest was that money
expendedY
era Buffers interest. l paid IL to the committee.
Mr.. Foster--Wnat committeey
Mr. SanDorn-The Finance Committee.
Mr.. Foster--Was 1t before or after the nomina.
tionsy
Mr.. sanborn-I do not recollect. They generally
Mr.. FosterYou say it was paid in General But
lcr's interests
Mr.. Sanborn--l think ! paid some before the
Nj. Foster-Then it was spent in his interest, as
you understood
Mr.. Foster-And that was what 1t was given Tor?
Mr.. SanbOrn-Yes, sir.
BUTLER's BENEvOLENCE.
Mr.. FOster-Dd you not counsel with General
Butler at the time that he went on your bail here
about TINS Brooklyn matter2
Mr.. Sanborn--i spoke 10 him about it ! told him
that was going to Brooklyn: he asked me ii +
knew anybody there; told MIN knew Mr. Robin
son. OF the firm OF Woodruff & Robinson and that /
also knew Mr.. SANFORD, OF the Adams Express
Company, who would go any amount OF bail for
me.
Mr. Eoefpr-Dd MT Canorol pntlor .nr WI, ma
he knew Mr.. RoblnsUnY
Mr. Sanborn--No, SIR.
Mr.. Foster-He did know him rs a matter of
factY
Mr.. Sanborn--No; think he knew another mem.
Der OF the firm.
Mr.. Foster--Did he not, in fact, secure this ball
for you?
Mr.. Sanborn--I think he gave me letter to this
other gentleman.
Mr. EoSter-General Rlltler served Won In that