National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-05

| treated BY the 6amleis ironIzing process. ani
Lne same wood that had been Condemned b.
me ooardi a. DO not know that the wood
Q. or course, fought not % ask YOU 10 com
! mir yourself 70 that. There has been : con.
troyersy as TO some woodf A. uuderstood when
J we cams into the frm the controversy vas m
regard to the manner Of laying this pavement,
and not In regard to the materials that entered
into the pavement.
II @. II you please, state the manner In which
the laying BY yourselves differed from the man.
ner In which the pavements were laid on Penn
sylvania ayenue eastf A. It differed somewhat
In taking pains with the work. --
j Q. In what respect-in the formation Of the
foundstioni A. In the formation Of the foun-
dation or putting down Of the blocks, and the
tamping OF the gravel between the blocks.
/ Q. Do you use greater proportion Of wood
than was used as 1t was formerly laid BY De-
Golyer & McClellanf A.. That I do not know,
for do not know how much they used.
i 2. Then there would be no additional ele-
ment Of cost except the additional care In lay
ing the pavement A. No, SIR; not Of neces-
! By Mr.. Wilson: Q. Did you receive, IN your
purchase, any letters or papers from Chiffon
den, A. I did not.
| Q. Did you ever seen snyi A. never saw
| any In his name.
Q. Were you consulted in regard to the de-
/ was. -.F6E
Q. You know they were destroyedi A. do
not know anything about it except by hearsay.
I read In the testimony Of Judge Jenkins that
he destroyed these papers, and that Is all
| know about it.
Alb. KIRKLAND RECALLED.
! By Mr.. Thurman: O.. You are acquainted
with G; a. Wilcox, are you' A. 1 am ac-
i quaintcd with Girden Fl. Wilcox.
/ Q. l mean Mr.. Wilcox, q clerk In the Sixth
Auditors Office, who has testified herel A.
\ Yes, sir; presume 1t Is the one.
| Q. The same man at whose house you were
last year, A. Yes, sir.
/ Q. Did you have any conversation with him
as to what you had done with this 81, 00u A.
Q. None at ala A. No, sir.
! Q. Didn't you tell Mr. Wilcox that you did
not have the benefit Of all that money! A.
4 No, sir.
kindi A. No, sir: not any other man.
! Q. You never told him that you could not
tell what became Of that money without i'm
| plicating persons In high stationl A.. No, sir.
Q. Nothing of that kindi A. No, sir. -.
Q. Did you tell Mr.. Storrs, at the Ebbftt
house or at the interview he had with you at
Mr.. Wilcox's house, that you could not tell
| what became of that money or those notes
without duplicating certain persons In high
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with Mr.. Storrs on the subject.
| Q. What conversation did you have with
Mr.. storrsl A. had q general conversation
with Mr.. Storrs.
Q. Any conversation with reference to what
had become of those notes or the money-the
proceeds OF them2 A. had no conversation
with him. He asked me few questions In re-
gard to them. -
Q. What do you call q conversation He
asked you some questions in regard to them,
you say. Tell US what he did ask A. He
seemed to be anxious 10 know whether Mr..
Chitten1en had been benefited by the proceeds
OF any Of those notes; and told him sNo."
That Is all he ever said In regard to the notes.
Q. In any conversation you had with Mr..
Storrsl A. That Is all. t-- ~ y
@. II Mr.. Storrs, then, has testified that you
told him shat you could not disclose what be-
came OF those notes or Of their proceeds, with
out duplicating persons In high station, you
say that that was an untruthful statement
A. II he has testified so, It b.
Q. You never had any such conversation
with him, either at Wilcox's house or at the
Ebbitt House! A. No. sir. ~ -
Q. Did you ever tell anybody else that your
testimony would be injurious TO persons in high
station if you were to tell the whole truth
A No, sir; never.
O.. II any persons have testified then, before
this committee that you did say soy you say
their testimony Is untruel A. Yes, sir.
Q. Were you ever asked by anybody since
you have been here and before you came be-
fore the committee, what you did with those
notes or their proeeedsi A. presume have.
Q. By whoml A. / cannot remember
2. Can you remember one person who asked
you'll A. No, sir.
@. You cannot remember q single persoui A..
No, sir.
Q. Why then, do you presume you have
been askedl A Because it has been pub
Z ,1,a IT, II
presume have been asked by q thousand per-
sons.
Q. Since you came to this eityf Al do.not
know that.
Q. Since the publicasioui Al have since
the investigationi
@. By tho thousand personsi A. donoe
know but ten thousand.
@. VIII you please give us the name Of any
one of those ten Thousand peoplel A. don't
remember any one
Q. You cannot remember any onei A. No,
sir.
Q. Where were these inquiries by the ten
thousand or the one thousand msdel A. In
New York and my home.
Q. At Greenbush, opposite Albany A. Yes,
sir; Rensselaer, county, New York.
Q. This matter, then, had attracted the at
tention of people there5 A. Yes, sir; very much
to my disgust.
Q: A great many people asked you about III
A. Yes, sir
o. What is the population of the, village of
Greenbush? A., That do not know.
Q. One thousand A. Oh, yes, sir; more
than that.
Q. Twol A. More than that.
Q. Threel A. L think so.
Q. Fouri A. I thought it was a very large
place since the investigation.
Q. Please to give US an answer at once. A.
do not know, really.
Q. But you think as many as ten thousand
people have asked you what became of those
notes and that money! A. More or less.
q. A good many less, don't you think How
ever, win let that CO. You. wrote q letter
from New York on the 18th day of last month
(April) to Mr.. Wilcox that was shownto you
yesterday A. Yes, 1t was read to me.
Q. In that letter you say this: 81 presume
shall be compelled to put in an appearance
before the COMMITTEES, but somebody will be
sorry" Who Is that somebody that you
thought would be sorry If you put in anap-
pearance herei A. Well, should be sorry |
myself.
g. 7 have no doubt you are very sorry, but |
want to know to whom you ailude when you |
say somebody VIII be sorry" A. II 1 hal /
Mr.. Wileox's letter to compare with thai, i |
think answered his question right through.
think Ii was my wife, because he asked about
my wife.
Q. You think the somebody that yoa are ap-
prehensiye would be sorry was your vifei A.
Yes, sir,
Q. That you tell US under OATH A. pre-
sumo have not been absolved from my oath.
@. want you to explain the next sentence: |
'l am perfecting scheme that Will, I expect,
knock the legs from under a certain crowd"
Please explain whas that scheme was that you |
were perfecting, aud who were the crowd whose |
legs were to be knocked from under. A. |
Nobody connected with anything in Washing |
ton. -..r-
Q. That I did not ask you. want afIirma- |
tive answers, not negative answers. State what |
that was, that scheme that you wero perfect
ing, and who the crowd was, and whose legs |
were to be ipjuriously affected by that schemei
A. am not Q very dangerous man. do not /
remember what the scheme was. Wilcox was
engaged in some things In New York.
@. You do not remember what the scheme
was, A. No, sir.
@. WE'LL do you remember who the crowd
vast A. knew the crowd was engaged in some
of his transactions here.
Q. Who was the crowd whose legs you ex-
pected to knock from under them7 A. do not
remember who they were.
Q. Let rs see n your memory will be any bet
ter as we get little further on. 81 think Nice.
made an ass of himself."- Who is McCl A. |
He inclosed the testimony Of Mr.. Mcclellan. / |
presume refer TO Mr.. Mcclellan.
O. Please tell Us why Won think McCIellan