National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-06
DISTRICT INVESTIGATION
CONTINUED from First Pc &C.

Q. Did you and Colonel Kirkland and the
Rev. Calvin Brown ride out there on sunday
A. think 1t was the fore part Of the wees, VI
the latter part of the week, fdo not know which;
but do not think 1t was on q SunuaJ' OO'
may have been. .,o..vo-a.
was it after the award, or betore' 81 IL was
after the award. cI,.o, A Vas
.iT. 7 think II was the latter part of the week,
moi On Sunday. think it was the latter part
of the week, because l asked one Of the parties
to come and see Mr.. Hyde.
o. Umust have been, then, @bout the LIST Of
July? A. think about the LIST Of July.
q. Tho award was made on the 18th OF
June7 A. The award was made on the 18th
of June, and it was near the LIST of July.
@. You left for Chicago few days after
Wardl A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was it before you got for Chicagof A
Yes, sir.
o. When did you receive this report of which
you speak at Chicagol A. think L received
the report few days after l got home 40
not know exactly as to the time
O, From whom? A. From Mr.. Brown.
D. What was the nature Of that reporu A.
The nature of the report was that Mr. Cor
coran would sell the property, think, for
1925, 900. think that was the price, S225, 600.
The terms could be made satisfactory IN regard
TO the DaNllenLS, Dub buaS q 6uDJOSS bHdb
would have to be negotiated, and that he would
undertake TO negotiate that.
o Did you make any answer to thatl A. /
think replied that wanted Mr.. Brown TO go
ahead and negotiate the best terms that he
possibly could.
Q. For whoml A. For myself,
q. You were purchasing the property your
self, thenl A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was Mr.. Brown to have any interest in
that property A. Not word was said to Mr.
Brown about having any interest in that prop
erty.
Q. BE wa. negotiating for you, thenl A. He
was negotiating for me by my request
Q. Was Mr.. Kirkland to have any interest in
that propertyl A. Not that know of. There
was no such remark made to Nj. Brown or Mr..
Kirkland that either of them was to have an
interest in the Hardwood estate.
o, You were to become the sole purchaser of
that property? A. The sole purchaser of that
property; perhaps I might make some arrange
nent with them for services rendered in secur
ing the property subsequently, but no agree
ment was made az that time.
Q. You were to pay them as your agents! A.
Yes, sir.
@. When Colonel Kirkland came to Chicago,
in August, about the LIST of August, did you
have any conversation with him about the Hare
wood estate therel A. l did.
Q. What was thatl A. think 1t was later
budu AuSuob-eHC LOlS paw VA mug -
was there, but l am not sure. know that the
terms
Q. Whenever it vast A. know the terms
had been determined by negotiations, through
Mr.. Brown, about the purchase OF that prop
ertV on time, a certain amount to be paid IN
cash; in sixty days another payment was to be
made; and then, think, five, ten, and fifteen
years for the balaEcs-a long time-drawing
interest at six or seven per cent. will not be
accurate in regard % figures, because it has
passed from my mind, but those are the facts
In reference to the negotiation.
Q. There was cash payment, and then there
was to be another payment in sixty daysf A.
Yes, sir.
Q. Do you remember the amount of the cash
payment? A. think the cash payment was to
be $4,000.
Q. All these details were explained to you by
Colonel Kirkland when he was in Chicago? A.
No, sir; they were explained by letter by Mr..
Brown.
Q. Have you got that letter. A. No, sir; I
have not.
Q. Did you and Colonel Kirkland talk this
matter over in Chicago: A. Yes, sir.
Q. When was this cash payment to be made?
A. That was 10 be MADE sixty days before the
first of October. 1t was to be made at the time
of signing the contract.
Q. Did you make that payment? A. l did not
! euthOriZed-l teleCraphed TO Mr.. Brown to
draw uDOn me for that amount.
Q. For the SlS,OOO' A. Yes, sir; and that
WoIlI assume the subsequent payments; and
Mr.. Brown stated that the time had become
very short, and that they were Obliged to ad-
vance it themselves. l found out subsequently
that the parties had bought the property them
selves
Q. Who do ycu mean by the partiesf A.
Mr.. Brown and Mr.. Kirkland.
Q. Then they purchased the property with
out inciuding you IS partner in the transac-
ton? A. They purchased the property with
out including me in the transaction. Mr.. Brown
subsequently came to Chicago. l did not
kCoW at the time that he came 10 Chicago that
he regarded himself and Colonel Kirkland as
having any interest in this property. When
Colonel Kirkland was in Chicago he did not say
he was in interest, unless he he had collateral
interest with Mr.. Brown. The matter was not
clearly defined as to their relations in this mat
ter. l was all the time pursuing the matter
upon the hypothesis that the property was
nliue-that ! nd purchased the property.
Q. That you were making the purchase your
seliG A. Yes, sir.
Q. When did the Rev. VIM. Colvin Brown
come to Chicago! A. Mr.. Colvin Brown came
to Chicago some time between the 18th OF
September and LIST of October.
Q. Did he tell YOU then that he and Col.
Kirkland had purchased this property A. He
had stated that they were obliged 10 advance
this money. However, it would be all right,
so far as I was concerned, If would make the
payment on the LIST of October.
Q. What was the object of his visit to Chi
csgol A. The object Of his visit to Chicago
was to arrange for this payment on the LIST of
October.
Q. For the balance of the cash payment
A. Yes, sir.
. @. Arrange with your A. Arrange with
me. l stated to Mr.. Brown at that time
said to Mr.. Brown, 81 want you to have an in
terest in this matter with me for the services
you have rendered. He drew a contract with
me in which l was to give him one quarter, and
was to have three fourths of that property.
1 was to make all the payments-f we sold the
property, was to make all the payments. In
making any sales my advances were 20 come
out first.
Q. You say that the Rev. William Colvin
Brown came between the 18th Of September
and the LIST of October? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you arrange with him for the pay
ments thenl A. had negotiated some rail-
road bonds with friend, and went to Phils-
delphia, and Mr.. Brown went there TO Philadel-
phis with me, hoping to sell those bonds; but
I did not succeed in selling the bonds. Mr..
Brown came on to Washington on the LIST of
October. The payment was not made on time,
and Mr.. Brown left for Europe fnl returned
to Chicago with my bonds. s Ibsequently
Cnsl Kirkland came 20 Chicago and inform; i
me tn at Brown and himself had made q con-
tract together for this half interest in Hare
wood.
@. Each to have half A. Yes, sir; Brown
was to have one half, and Kirtland's was one
half Brown claimed to me at Chicago, how
ever, that any arrangement that he had with
Colonel Kirkland could be made satisfactory
with him.
@. This first arrangement, as l understand
you, was made after ride to Harewood-the
same day after they returned A. Yes, sir.
Q. You then projected together the purchase
of Harewoodl A. Yes, sir; as I have stated
to you. want TO say here in passing, that
Mr.. Brown said TO Colonel Kirkland that they
had better go in together, after had left for
Chicago, or have some understanding with
each other about this matter; that Colonel
Kirkland supposed, as / subsequently learned,
that Mr.. Brown was acting by my authority
On that basis. That was the explanation that
was made.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. What kind of railroad
bonds did you have that you were irving to
negotiated A. think they were Burlington
Southwestern.
Q. Any other bonds than thesel A. No,
sir.
Q. Was that the new or the old roadl A.
That was a new road-the Burlington and
Southwestern bonds-I supposed l could ne
eotiatc in Philadelphia in time to make o pay