, 1874-05-07

MIR: Noycs asked il tho prosecutors ovidcnoo
was all In.
f.. Prof. Patton astd he would ofrcr in evidence
eormon pro9chcd by Prot. Swing At til1 instan-
LIE tribune Doc. H.
nEnur1rSo TESTIMONY.
Mr. Noyoh wished to layo tlio statement Of tho
+ Eltlcra Of tho Fourth Church admitted 10 owl
donto.
Prof. Patton wanted to know what kind Of
evidence that was,
Mr.. Noyes .sid il was tho aamo sort as tho sor-
mona OF Prot. Swing. # It were necessary to
hnye tllo Eluors hworn, tfloy could be.
Tho Hoy. Dr.. Pattoraon said tint tho proHec,t-
ton had brought In wltnoBscB to givo tholr evil
dence Of improsslonn That Mr.. Swing did not
preach evangoically. 1'hia testimony Yrs re'
bntting oyidoncc Of such imprasBionu, being i'm
proBBions that hd did 90 preach.
Prof: Patton thought 1t incompetent
ho would hayo to cali tho Elders and hayo thom
hayo the statement Of tho Eldors nubnittod.
i. The Moderator said tho great objection to tho
paper waa that It gnvo no opportunity tor CROSS
Nlr. Noyes .hon calloa tho first witness for
HORACE F. WAITE,
Who testified as follows:
Examined By h1r. Noyes.-Q.-Dfd you eycr
hear h9 PROT Swing prcaSh npon the divinity Of
n1ember any distinct sermon upon tho subject,
hut remember Of its ofton being referred to III
hl8 Borrnon1.
By prof. pntson-was tile sermon delivered
from manuscript A.-Au ot Mr.. svings sor-
1nonB using tho worda in their droct aonso, arc
In manuscript.
Prof. Patton objected to tho testimony. It
was not compotent for tho body to receive parol
Testimony whom they could hayo the written
acrmonB
Mr. Noycs insisted that parol testimony had
been received on written acrmons.
Prof. Patton answered: "only on those which
could not bo produced"
Dr.. Patterson remarked that ho undoratooa
that tho sermons alluded to by the witness hnd
been destroyed iu tho dre
Tho Moderator decided that tho Testimony Tas
admissible. ..
Prof. Patton appealed from tho decision, but
subsequently consented to the continuance of
tho examination OF the witnesB.
Q.-Have you hoard Mr.. Swing preach upon
tho Atonemeut Of Christ tho porson of Christ?
oame pastor of tho Wostminntcr Church, when I
wns IN tho city, aud have heard his Wednesday
evoping lectures.
Q.-Did you eyor hear him proach any sermon
a produced upon r. your na sH TIC soeon
ward tho Unitarian faith A.-On tho con-
trary, instead Of leaning toward 1t, havo heard
from him onco. I ramcnlbor distinctly, n sermon
delivered before tho fire, tho strongest nrgu-
nent eycr listened to in my lfo against Un!-
tarianism, and l,e constantly teaches tho doc
trines Of tho Trinity, and the doty Of Christ.
Q.-Did you eyor hear Prof. Swing preach
upon tho subject OF future retrib,1tion-tl,e final
separation Of the righteous aud tho wlckod7
Al have, On three or four occaaions. One
Wednesday evening, cithor previous or subaa-
Quent to tho doubts boing expressed III tho IT.
terior,-tl1o lesson waH ID Matthew, ouoB-
tion WAC discussed by Prof. sring,. explained to
punishment.
Q.-Did you ever hear Prof. Swing preach
any :, sermon, that was In any way IN
donet With any Of ho eyansSlieal
l bclieye. all my life, sat undor Presbyterian
prenchiug, and the doctrines ho has taught mo
have boon Buch os havo been wont to listen
to-. do not profess to be o thoologian.
o.-Are you one OF the oldors of tho Fourth
Church Al am, eir:
Q.-Wore you one Of tho elders Of Westmin-
ster Church? Al was. sir.
Cross:ezanaited 0y p,of. ;Pabon:
Q-%h1tdo no you ,a,s mem ny BY tho divinity Of
Q.-What do you moan by the deity OF CHRISTI
Q.--Whnt do you moan by the Trinity Al
do not know aa Team give you ~ exact theolog-
ical answer; understand BY tho Trinity that
equal with oach other.
evengeca x eissts is word Sat 1 Ins TSao por
haps. wiao meaning, aud might be difficult to
Q.-Do you regard the word evangelical as
necessary to convoy the idna that a man would
he acceptable to tho Presbyterian Church, A.
A mau may be evangelical and not preaby-
torian.
Q.-Wbon was the sermon you rofor to
preached? A-Juat before the unioa Of tho
Westminster with tho North Church
aud ho showed tho difference between
a Unitarian and d Presbyterian, and how much
better presbyterianism WAS than UnisarianiBm.
n 111nff FfHt{nrfinn ,y14{
he drew? Al romambor some Of the points,
beaause tho argument made q very strong i'm
presnion upon mo. cannot give the language.
Q.-What wore the -roints2 A.-ono Of them
God, but gapo him high degree Of manhootl
and ho said tlo Presbyterian faith Was hotter
because 1t won't further, and not only made Him
a man, but God.
ncction, n,--n,udo him God2 Ale used tho
word. porhapB. with tue ordinary sense. as q
definition Of Christ, OF the divinity Of Christ,
uaing IT as understood 1t, In the sonso OF tho
deity OF Christ. ...
Odd you ever hear him speak Of Christ
and use the word "deity"? Al do not To-
member that ever did but have heard him
use the word divinity in such q eeuse that thoro
could DO NO doubt tia: he meant "deity.'
p.-What do you understand by future pun
fsb.nent Al understand What always have
been taught in the Presbyterian Church,-tla
tho wicked arc punished III tho future state.
Q.-Are tho evangelical churches aiono IN bs-
lieying in future puntnhuout7 Al hardly
know how to answer that question, because |
have Il sort Of tulo but do not read much Of
what would be called hutorodox reading:
Q.-Tho fact that a man belioros in future
punishment would not exclude him from tho
Uniyelnal,at Church? Al do not know. /
never heard Uniyarsalist aorrnon in my lifo.
hayc boon told TINT mahy Uniyoraaliats do be-
liove in future punishment, but that ia only
hoRrsay.
Q.-Dll you say Prof. Swing han taught the
doctrine Of "future punishment" A.-Yos,
sir.
Q.-Is that s1le most pronounced way IN which
ho expressed his toaching? Ale has ox-
pressed hinHef to this effect, porhaps iu private
conversation moro than otherwise; that there is
no question at Ill that the Greek words in tho
Bsblo could not be translated, and TINT the Bible
did not teach anything elso than etcrnnl puniah-
mont.
Q.-You llnyc hchrd him distinctly nyow bis
belief in eternal punishment 2 A.--Yes. air.
Gin private conversations. did you say
A.-Doth in public aud in prtynte. He Ia In the
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