Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1874-08-18

Moulton felt profoundly that Tilton could not
come out with disclosure of all this matter
without leaving Moulton in an awkward po-
sitiop, and that he offered SIS 900 in gold if
Tilton would not publish that letter. 1t led
to some little conversation about supply OF
money, and he said that had better give him
my whole fortune than have Tilton 90 on in
his course.
Q.-That YOU had better give your whole
fortune to Mr.. TitonI Ayes, rather than
have Tilton go into this fight
Q-Was that before or after the publica-
ton of the Bacon letter? Al can't be GER
tain about that, il was about that time.
1 Odd Mr.. Moulton ever question you in
regard to this matter, whether you had ever
spoken on that TO any one, or expressed any
anxiety in your mind about it? Ale did,
not many weeks ago, among the last inter
views | had with him.
O. Since the publication of that Bacon
letter? Ayes, | think it was on the Sab
bath day after the appointment OF this Com
mi,tee. / preached but once on that day,
and on the afternoon of that day he saw me,
and said to me IN conversation: ~ on
have never mentioned about that five thou
sand dollars | said yes, | had to one or
two persons mentioned to Oliver Johnson
for one, because he was saying something to
me one day about what some OF Tiltons
friends were saying, and | incidently mem
toned that to him, which he never repeated,
| suppose, to anybody Moulton said 81
will never admit that, | shall deny it al
ways"
Q.-IIave you any objection to state what
Tilton's friends were saying to Oliver john
son and others; what did Oliver johnson say
to you? A--On one occasion he reported to
me that among the friends of Tilton he had
heard rerroaches made against me, that
neither was endeavoring to help Theodore in
reputation or in any other way, and that the
expression was this, that | had been the in
strument of his being thrown off the track in
life, and that / wonld not reinstate him. re-
piled IN substance that so far as reputation
was concerned not only longed and tried to
do what | could for Tilton, but that his asso-
citation with the Woodruff was fatal to him,
and | could not make any head against ii.
And with regard to the other, said to him
that had been willing to help him material
~. and that recently paid S. 900 to him.
4 Odd you see and have conversation
with Tilten soon after the payment OF the
$1,000? A.-On the Sunday morning fol-
lowing the payment of s. 900, as was going
to church in the morning l met Mr.. Tilton
standing right opposite the house. He put
his arm through mine, and was in his most
bealific mood. While walking along down to
the church, he was talking all the way OF
grace, mercy, and peace, to me, and at that
time. recolect thinking, that $4,000 is very
modifying
Bv Mr. Clahin-Q. Did you at any time
receive the note which the committee have in
evidence, as follows:
H. w. b:
Grace, mercy, and peace. I. I.
SUNDAY MORNING.
Ayes He sent it on Sunday morning
by his wife, who had it laid on my pulpit
stand.
BY Mr.. Cleveland-If your mortgage was
dated about May |, 1873, the money of course,
was paid to Mr.. Moulton after your mortgage
was made? A-Yes, Sir | did not keep
the money an hour. l went with it directly
to the Mechanics Bank, where drew ii, and
put it into Moulton's hands on the same day,
and within few hours.
Q-At his house? Al do not know.
Odd you have trouble with Mr.. Titon
during the latter part of that month"; before
the first of June, 1873? Al do not know
the months in which have not had trouble
with him: but he made a special outburst at
the end of the month OF May, 1873, on &C.
count of the tripartite agreement which led to
my letter to Moulton, June l, 1873.
Q.-Here is letter dated May 2, 1874, in
; which Til.on~efers to some story of Carpen-
ceiye that letter? Al did, Sir 1t was a
magnificent humbug. know that Mr.. Tilton
knew that he had been tnkling my gold in his
pockets for months and years, and he wrote
that letter to be published for sham and
mask.
Q-What did you understand by Carpen-
ter's relations to the money matter! Any
first knowledge of Mr.. Carpenter was that he
was putting his nose into this business, which
did not concern him. That was also Mr..
Moulton's impression. | asked Moulton one
day, "What under the sun is Carpenter doing
around here, and medding with this matterf"
He summariy damned him, and represented
him as good-natured and well-meaning busy
body. l suggested why didn't he tell him dis
tinctly that his presence was not wanted. He
said We'll, he serves US some useful pur-
poses. When we hear Of things going on in
the clubs or any place in New York, we put
Carpenter on the track, and he fetches all the
rumors, and so we use him to find out what
we could not get otherwise" And did find
that he not only did that, but that Mr.. Car
penter was one of those good natured men
whose philanthI ophy exhibited itself in trying
to settle quarrels and difficulties by picking up
everything he could hear said, for, or against
a man, and carrying it to the parties where t
would do the most harm possible. He was a
kind of genial, good-natured fool; and in all
this matter he has been a tool more than a
helper. lie has never once done anything ex-
cept in the kindest way, and never once did
anything in the whole of this matter from be-
ginning to end that was not stupid blunder.
| made up my mind from the beginning that
as was silent to everybody in this matter, |
would be especially silent to him, Carpenter.
l recollect but one interview with him that
had any particular significance. He came to
see me once when the council was in session,
and our document was published. There was
phrase introduced into it that Tilton thought
pointed to him, and Tilton that night was in a
bonfire flame, and walked up and down the
street with Moulton. l was in Freeland's.
and in comes Carpenter, with his dark and
mysterious eyes. He sat down on the sofa
and in kind of sepulchral whisper told me
of some matters. Says |, "That is all non
sense" that it meant, and. and Car
penter was rejoieed to hear it, and then went
out Ga another occasion he came to me
and, in great glow of benevolence, said
there was to be newspaper established in
New York, and that was to take the editor
ship of it, and a half million was to be