National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-17
MORNING. APRIL II, Is74-DOUBLE SHEET.

charged s4.70, there are other charges against
| the government for traps and man-holes In the
same seweri A. Well, now, that / won't be
positive Of, because my attention was only
drawn to the pipe.
O. Then, In this statement of the price at
which you would Be willing to do this work
you do not include traps and man-holes In todr
pricei A. No, sir do not think would.
Well, If you viii let me make q calculation, I
will tell you whether will or not.
Q. Did you, In the price which you have
named to the committee as the price at which
you would be willing to do this work, include
traps and msn-holesi A. will state this to
the committee, and will explain to them. II
they have charged the man-holes in the 4.70
it would cost more money; If they have not
charged the man-holes-the man-holes only
come in once, perhaps, in $50 or 200 feet, and
very often the man-hoies are put In there at q
| great deal more cost than what you could put
in large pipe for. For instance, If you put q
| Pinch pipe, run q thousand feet along, and
put a man-hole every hundred feet, 1t would
! cost more money to put that msn-hole every
hundred feet than to put in 15-inch pipe
| taking almost twice the quantity of water, and
| do away with the manholes.
By Mr.. Stewart: Q. You said you averaged
those snd would do the whole work for q GER
| tain pricei A. beg your pardon, sir; I said
| this: said that had taken the pipe as they
have themselves; I took it from their own re-
ports.
@. That Is not the question. In taking the
| pipe to make your estimate. by which you came
to the conclusion you could do 1t for q certain
figure, did you calculate for traps and man
holesi A. I calculated Just precisely what the
| report stated. had no other data to 60 by.
Q. In taking the pipes and making an esti-
mate of what you could put them down for,
did you make any calculation for traps and
manholesi A. will state this for the benefit
| of the committee-their Information. If you
will allow me to 60 over their report again,
will put the manholes and pipes in. I cannot
do any better than..that, because to get it -
Q. The question is perfectly simple, whether
| In making your calculation to the committee
you calculated for traps and manholes, or notl
A. Why, sir, It would be moral lmpossibility
| for me to include manholes when there were
none down; when I did not see any except
these pipes. have no data to go by.
Q. Did you or did you not do itl A. II you
had told me to do IL would have done so; but
had no data to 60 by.
Mr.. Jewett. This is calculated to confuse the
witness. understood him that he took up the
| report of the Governor, and he found so much
of this pipe had been laid of different kinds at
so much per foot. He found what the whole
| would come to at that amount, and he took
that. And he then said that he would do It at
certain price. Now, of course, II these man.
holes aud traps were not designated In the
figures be was looking at, be you'd not, in his
| calculation, take that into Consideration.
By Mr.. Stewart: Q. He can tell me whether
he took that into consideration or not. A.
told you that I did not see them there.
@. That is not an answer to the question.
Did you or did you not take that into your cal
culationl A. could not figure anything
never saw.
Q. Did you figure on that or noti A. did
not, sir.
By Mr.. Mattingly: Q. Did you, in going over
the report of the Board of Public Works, look
ing at the sewerage which was charged to the
Government at s4.70 a foot, take all that was
charged to the Government at that rate: A. l
took all that was In the report.
Q. Did you ascertain the size of the sewersl
A. No, sir; averaged 1t on what my estimate
was here now. could not give you the sizes
Of each and every one. / have all the pipes
laid down on my paper-every size. There is
PAT ,554 feet, think, Of 12-inch pipe. All the
other pipes put together would not amount to
that. There is only $50 feet of S0-inch main.
Q. Do not you know that there Is some of
this sewerage Charged to the Government at
s4.70, which cost over double that amount A.
Not of these pipes.
@. do not know whether It was these pipes
or brick sewers. Iasked If you took ali the
sewers charged to { he Government s4.70l A..
1t states for making conlectiQps to the sewers
which have not c6nnted at all, five thousand
aud some hundred dollars in making the con-
pections. Now, If you will let me go through
the streets and Zee where those Connections
are, VIII tell you whether they are brick or
pipe sewer, and tell you what they cost.
By Mr.. THU mani @. II / understand you,
looking merely at the reports Of the Board of
Public Works, you would not be able 10 tell
how many man-holes and traps there were. Is
that soi A. Not without could get the differ
ent contract.
@. But say, looking at the reports that you
were looking ati A. could not give It from
the Government work at all.
Z Q. Looking at the reports from which you
made your tabular statement, there was poth-
ing in them to show how .manysman-holes or
srapstherewasi A. Not 90 all.
Q. Now, in the charge made TO the Govern
ment was there any separate charge made
for traps or man-holes, or was L all Jumped
together-traps, man-holes, and sewersl A.
conid not tell you, except SO far as the pipe is
concerned. There was nothing on 1t except so
many linear feet OF sewer in certain localities.
Q. Now, It is these lineal feet of sewerage
that amount, you say, on average to S4.70 a
foot that was charged to the Government of
the United Statesa A. Yes, sir. .....
Q. And you did not find any reports charg-
ing for traps or man-holesi A. Not one, SIR.
Q. Then does It not necessarily follow that
the traps and man-holes are included in the
general charge; that is, they have charged the
Government with sewer completed A. should
not think so at the time, because It only states
for sewers, and in other portions of their report
they deiignate the traps and man-holes.
BY Mr.. Nattirgly: Q. For this same work.
A. For private individuals; am not speaking
of the Government; am speaking of private
individuals on the work done BY private indi-
viduals.
Mr.. Merrick. Here is the way It reads in the
book from which he took it. For example,
see on page 4S3, $40 lineal feet, at S4.7O; 800
Hneal feet, at $40, &c.
Mr.. Thurman. Is there any charge there for
traps and manholesi
Mr.. Merrick. It was from this statement that
he made his calculation.
Mr.. Thurman. Isthere any item there of that
kindl
Mr.. Merrick. None, whatever
Mr.. Thurman That is what supposed. (To
the witness.) Have you any means of know
ing, in these sewers that are charged to the
Government, and about which you have testi-
fed, how many traps and man-holes there are'
A. No, SIR
By Mr.. Mattingly: @. What is the usual av-
erage. As plumber you know that, or ought
to knowi A. There Is no gauge at all. You
put them in promiscuously, any place you
By Mr.. Thurman: Q. Well, these traps are
to let surface water into the seweri A. Yes,
sir; the man-holes are simply to let man 60
down and remove Instructions. -.
Q. Now, is there any way by which you
could tell without an actual inspection how
many traps and man-holes there are on that
work contained in your tablet A. could
average it the same as 1t is done on private
work.
Q. Now, suppose you do that, and then
make up Jour calculation and give that to US?
A. / will do SO, sir.
By the Chairman: Q. understood you TO
say while ago that with 15-ineh pipe It
would not require as many man-holes and traps
as with the 12-inch pipe. A. No, sir; 1t would
not.
Q. Therefore, in making your calculations,
you will have to ascertain also to some extent
the size of your pipel A. Yes, sir.
Governor Shepherd. will state to the COM
mittee that am having q statement made up
In detail of this sewer business as charged to
the United States, and VIII submit 1t to them
very probably tomorrow morning.
The committee adjourned to 10 O'Clock q. m.
tomorrow.
WOOD AND COAL.