National Republican., 1874-05-29

subs tance the same question. But I have no
objectiC.o a to answering that.
Mr.. Chr. submit To the chairman and
70 the comm, forn, nrn'ner 'he' question mas
Mr.. Hamilton. There is no dispute about
that. That is q qu,N Nstion of fact apparent to
the committee.
Mr.. Christy. desire to ask the witness as
an expert,
Mr.. Hamilton. suppose thescOmmittee are
satisfied.
Mr.. Christy. If gentlemen Of tl>e committee
make On objection, 1 will submit IL t,othe entire
committee.
Mr.. Wilson. Under the answers Of Doctor
Blake, It is perfectly apparent, If Mr.. BSsgru-
der had seen fit to do SO, he could have gone
out on the street and bought these certificates
at ffty cents on the dollar, II he had Wsnt,N
to, and then drawn the money out Of the hank
| and paid 1t to himself.
Mr.. Christy. If the committee are satisfied
OF that, that contents me.
The Chairman. think the committee have
been satisfied with that for long time.
The Witness. You asked me If thought
that Colonel Magruder could, under the pres
ent system, check money in his own name at
the bank, and 1 told you that thought he
eouia. That was my answer, and that COW
Mr.. Wilson. He said that there was no check
upon him whatever.
Mr.. Hubbell. 1t depended upon whether he
| was an honest man.
Mr.. Wilson. He said he was disbursing Off
Ger and custodian OF the money, and could do
wfsh It as he pleased.
/ The Chairman. The testimony of Mr. Maeru-
i der himself is that he kept no distinction be-
tween certificates and evidences of indebted
| ness and money, and that he could not dis
| tinguish In many cases.
| Mr.. Stewart. He drew out the money and
paid these warrants, and put them in his safe
and the question was put to him whether he
| had ever bought any Of them, and he said that
\ he had not. Now, that is just all there is Of
It; he might have gone and bought them;
there was no cash-account or certifcate-ac-
| count kept.
Mr.. Hub5ell. 1t ought to be presumed that
we are business men enough on this committee
to know that that is not, a proper way to keep
accounts.
n. oERTLEY RECALLED.
By Mr.. Wilson, Q. Have you examined, in
print, your own statement submitted day or
| two agoi A. No, sir; have not.
Q. refer to pages 2292 and 2293 of your
testimony. That was written statement pre-
sented to the committee and printed by them.
Was it prepared by YOU'D A. 1t was prepared
| by me. have not compared the printed testi-
mony, but the written statement was prepared
by me.
Q. Is It correct statement, as far as YOU
knowi A. My written statement, certainly
Q. It is a review of Mr. Rives' staiementf
] A. Yes, sir; it is a review of Mr.. Riyes' state
| ment.
Q. Who directed you to make up this state
| menta A. L think the Governor.
Q. When? Al could not tell you the date
exactly. It was some time last week.
think it may possibly have been the week
before, just after Mr.. RIves testified.
Q. How many statements have you made up
with reference to Connecticut syenuel A.
There is q statement Of mine in my first testi-
mony and there is q statement here.
Q. Then there is another statement in the
report of the Board Of Public Worksl
The Witness. You refer to the statement, I
suppose, giving the total cost of avenues!
Mr.. Wilson. Yes, sir. A. Yes, sir. did
| not prepare this statement proper, because
| the amount paid by the old corporation-they
were gotten at by some clerks who were
| familiar with the old corporation work-and
| the amounts paid for by the board were pre-
pared at the auditors Office.
@: So that you did not make all these state
ments yourselfl A. No, sir; I did not make
the statement of payments made. That got
| from these two sources.
Q. You do not know whether that Is correct
or not. A. believe that they are correct.
Q. You have simply the statement of other
persons that they are correct! A. Yes, sir;
have to rely upon that.
O.. You had to take their statements In
making up yoursl A. Yes, sir.
Q. Then when you say that these statements
which you have presented here are correct
statements, you make that statement with that
qualification, do youl A. ! make that state
ment with that qualification, of course.
Q. Now we have three statements here in
regard to the cost of Connecticut avenue, two
of which were made by you, and one appears
in the report of the board, Do any of these
statements agree with the othera A. suppose
that is very hard to say: should doubt whether
they agree.
Q. Why do they not agreei A. They all
three, l think, have different basis, and of
course you could not expect them to agree;
they are only approximate anyhow.
| Q. But the results ought to be the same2 A.
| No, sir. Of course in each case the results
| would be an approximation, to say the least
| and to arrive at the best result would be to
take the average of them. would not say
that either Of them was absolutely correct.
Q. You would not say that either of these
was absolutely correcz A. No, sir.
O. And you do not present them as ahso-
lutely correct statements' A. No, sir; do
not.
Q. For what purpose did you make up these
statemeuts3 A. understand they were to be
submitted to this committee.
| Q, Were you directed and given instructions
that any particular result was desired herea
A. No, sir.
Q. Were they gotten up for the purpose OF
| reiutfnS INC testimony OIL MT. Wright hlVeSi
A. They were simply gotten up to correct
some statements of Mr.. Riyes which we thought
were incorrect.
Q. viii you take Mr.. Riyes' statement and
show wherein 1t is incorrect A. refer to
this statement of my own. will have to
read it.
@. 1t is not necessary to read that Is that
the only thing that you have to show here, or
that you desire to show, for the purpose of re-
futing the statement of Mr.. Wright Rivesl
A. have nothing further to submit at this
time.
@. Nothing to submit but that 2 A Nothing.
Q. What was IL that was furnished to yoa by
these other parties In making up these state
ments! A. Well, the statement giving the
work done BY the old corporation is one
Q. Who did you get that FRONT A. That
was preparedness were several gentlemen
working at it, principally Mr.. Larner, who had
charge OF the Old papers.
Q. Who elsel A. Mr.. Winter, q clerk In the
assessment office, and Mr.. Forsyth.
Q. Who elsel A. I think Mr.. Lyons. do
not know who the other gentlemen were who
were copying and writing II. The other state
ment was entirely gotten up in the auditors
Office.
g. But as to these matters you do not know
whether they arc accurate or mott A. No,
sir; have to rely upon them.
Q. You do not wish to be understood as
swearing that this is rightl A. No, sir.
NuIlobl. L was " Huu III yOuE
testimony to refer to an estimate which you
made in regard to pipe laid upon First street
northwest of $50 feet. do not find 1t at oneos
if you will delay few minutes 1 viii interro-
gate you upon that.
TESTIMONY OF HUGH MURRAY.
Hugh Murray sworn and examined.
The Witness. I stated to the committee that
Mr.. Barney testified on oath here tina: did
not work on New Hampshire avenue, between
and streets. I wanted to say that am
prepared to prove that worked there from
four to six weeks with large force, and all
the work that I have done there he allowed
Mr.. Vsndenburgh pay for it, and I have here
the authority under which I acted from the
board. I have here my order to go to work,
ard my order to stop. I am contractor for
New Hampshire avenue, and Mr.. Vandenburgh,
If he did any work there, would like to know
under what authority he acted. do not say
but he did some work there, but have never
seen any authority he had for doing It there.
By Mr.. Wilson Q. If there b any oyerpay-I
ment, then, it Is not to youi A. No, sir;
have done more work than l have been paid
for.
Q. When did you do that worki 4. I have
r.Ia- 1f T,.1,. o