National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-04
DISTRICT INVESTIGATION,
IContiaued nrosa sseond 90. Z

exirtfng that this award for $50 90 yards Of pave
ment had not yet been located in this city th M
eontract-an these things conspirtng toget1esl
did 70 not seem TO yoz that you had been nsee \
tn eoatr9st ana M, SDssh tb sts was svar,
that no streets had been desiguated. In tne ne \
place IS 70 whether this ssr Of I fSs Mss
8 as goa SSTe stated & Il unqussiOnabiy
n. Won Knew that was 90. and therefore, knes
that these people taOugnt InA' You YOU knew tie,
fhoughf 90, whether you did q not. pla y ne
occur 70 you that II they thougat they nse pee
viii hon It would be very natural for you :
sneak to the GoEeraor, and stop the execution 9
the S Co ms ,f fseS 20 thouTbta .''
q. Do You know what became OF that 60, 90
that Mr. Kirkland had and offered 10 divide wit
seIf ! have no ,otssr infOrmatiOn at ali sbOu
q. Did Nh. Kirkland have IN interview viii
Stanley, which b was, in 7act, awarded to then
them 70 lay down twenty-five thousand yards o
pavement A. No, sir; not that can remember !
that contract. This Is the first tina that I hay
heard Of such acontract-
o. A contract granted to q firm IN New DER
sey, O'Connor s Shanleyi A. do not think
ever heard of those names before. IN, :
o. Did Nr. Kirkland, after the DeGolyer
Mcclellan contract, have interviews with you
in reference to other eoRtractsY a. As / hav,
stated, he said something with regard to ,
Sewer contract, as understood It, and tn
subject dropped almost as soon as mentioned
1told him that did not know anything abou
It at al, and did not wish TO have anything
20 do with it. lea Es7 =
Q. There was one question asked while asS
that you were proceeding 70 answer, and
think you we're interrupted. Il was when you
were answering with reference TO the intina
tions that they made 10 you when they wanted
your influence with the Governor. What wert
the precise intimationsl What did they says
What did Colonel Kirkland say 4. Well, do
not know about Kirkland. / do not know that
Kirkland made really any offer at all until the
notes were received. But as to Mr.. Chitten.
den, It was simply q sort of intimaion that
could have an Interest in that contract, as
understood. may not be right.
Q. What was the intimation that Chittenden
gavei A. That was all; just that. He inti-
mated that might have an Interest In the con-
tract If obtained.
O. What INTEREST," What proportioni A.
Nothing was specified. There was no definite
proposition. It was just in that general way.
O. Where did your firm keep its bank ac-
count A. We have, ever since have been in
the establishment, kept our bank account at
the National Metropolitan bank.
Q. Have you had any other bank account
A. No, sir.
q. Did you have an individual bank account
A. ] did not.
Q. You had rome separate from the frmi A.
None at all, sir.
O. Did YOU have any business outside of that .
A. No, sir; no business outside OF the estab-
lishment.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. Where did Governor
Shepherd keep his individual bank account
A i think at the National Metropolitan bank.
do MOI know much about his private business.
Q. Did you ever keep bank account at the
First Natiouall A. No, sir; l think not.
By Mr.. Thurman: Q. Has your firm any of
the sewer bondsl A. do not know that the
firm has any sewer bonds. We have few
bonds there, amounting to $3.50. Whether
they are sewer bonds or not / do not know. /
do not know that know 4 sewer bond when /
zee IL.
Q. Have YOU any contractors certificates
that is, certificates given by the Government
A. We have simply one given by the auditor.
Q. How much does that call fort A. That
calls for, think, 1850. am not sure.
Q. You arc speaking of what is in the present
ownership Of the firm? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Has the firm had heretofore any Of these
sewer boHdsl a. No, sir; not that know Of.
- g. Any Of these auditors certificates A.
No, sir.
Q. Has either member of the firm had any
that you know Of? A. Not that know of.
@ What reason did you give TO Colonel
Kirkland for declining to take one half of these
notes when he offered them to youS A. / do
not know that gave any reason, excepting
that / did not wish the money; did not state
exactly what the real reason was; but, upon
rejection, ] had concluded that it would not be
proper, considering my relations to Governor
Shepherd, to take cent from any of the con-
tractors
So o. That was the real reasoni A. Yes, sir
9. That had not occurred IN yos al Trstr A.
oripinaIS, When the first proposition or intima-
Ron was made By Mr.. ChitteDden.
Q. Nevertheless, they thought they owed
you! A. Yes, sir; suppose they did.
Q. Otherwise, they would not have offered It
to youi A. Probably that was so.
Q. But, after thinking that they owed you,
and supposins irwas through your influence
that they had obtained the contract, or, at
least, that your influence had benefited their
application, they felt bound to make you the
offer of one haln A. do not know what they
felt bound to do, but the fact that they made
the offer would Justify that idea.
Q. A man docs not usually give away thou
sands Of dollars, or thousands of dollars of Sc
curities, without feeling under some obligation
10 do ito A.. No, SIR.
@, But you told them first that you would
not take Rnythihsl A. / told Mr.. Kirkland
that ! did not want any Of his money.
Q. You did not want any Of, that amount,
apd wanted no compensation, no remuneration
Of any Eindl A. That was It, sir. a.
Q. Did not that astonish himl A. Well, he
seemed somewhat surprised.
Q. He never had met such q man before1 A,
do not know; but have been in a position
where have had many offers made IN &c and
hare been ai'e as r....y % refuse them: in
vadsRly to refuse them. -
O. Yes, SIR, but still he was man who EVIL
IDENTIFY thought that influence was thing that
was good to have about the house, and that he
that was his Judgment.
Q. And he supposed that he was dealing
with a man who realized that fact; otherwise
he would not have suggested your using your
influence. Now, did he not express some
astonishment at this sudden revulsion? A. No,
sir; because, as have stated, circumstances,
so far as was connected with the. papers at
all, the matter-when he offered me these
notes declined to take them, rs Ihayc stated.
was. As have stated, have forgotten the
exact amount Ny impression is that 1t was
$Ga-oln--In-tlAst-I-nAa be In error, HIS
proposition then was to go and ne~otiate them,
and be said that when ns did L Re would put
halt the proceeds TO my credit. That was
the bf6b6Etion. You are aware of the rest
from what have stated,
O. What did you tell himi Al told him
whenever he negotiated those notes, he could
do as he said.
@. That he could put half to your credit A.
Yes, sir.
O. Well, then, did you not absolutely Refused
A. When the 10000 was offered, / did.
Q. You did not take the notes, but then he
said he woald go and get them discounted and
put half the proceeds to your credit! A. That
was his proposition, to which acceded.
Q. You told him he could do as he saidl A.
Yes, sir.
o. Then he had no reason to be astonished?
A. When he offered me the $4,000 declined
that, and afterward told him did not wish to
have any further connection with the matter.
Q. Instead of the notes or the proceeds, did
he suggest any other way OF remunerating youi
A. No, sir. ... ~
Q. Never! A. No, sir; not that / can re-
member. "a s
By the Chairman: Q. At the time he was to
discount these notes and have them to your
credit A. He said when he went to New York,
expecting 20 negotiate them there, that he
would put the proceeds IN some bank there.
Q. And notify youl A. Yes, sir.
By Mr. Wilson: Q. Do you know whether he
put anything TO the credit Of anybody A. No,
sir.
O. Did you refuse to take share of that
10000 because it was not enough A. Not a;
all, sir.
O. You were willing TO take your share of the
81 ss,go a.