National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-04-20

The members Of the advisory board v.rs nr..
eonncctoa with q. a' S5s1a sSs o.
preserving wood for wooden pavements1 1hieb
Tns i0ii'.ins bidders .s'' represented, viz:
Dsaolysr & Mcclellan. By NIoksrsOu 4 Nc
Addrsssss were made relative to the merits Of
Upon the rscommsndatIon of the usmbsr, a,
ne advisory board, the parties representing the
bidders we're requested % furnish samplss d
view q having prsotissl s1aa,as a.. de st y
thsir relative ms1ts. tTTFF
The Chairman. Now, s6ers Is another apUlt.
cation for the pavemens. ==----
NJ sso s1sn e 3 ;ss,ss:. les ' TIA. rm
Q. Did you say, In regard to al these notes.
that you placed them In the express oficei A,
LAD not see any OF these notes amer they were
placed In the express office, save one note held
~ the Cook County National Bank. Il WAS
past due, OF was mAtuEng, and Colonel Kirt-
ana w IN Chicago. saw the note In that
Dank. that u the only time. - 70 E8-i-
Q. what was the amount Of that note, A.
think mat was $4,000. I think so--sWo
notes OF tlO,Q c0 EACH ! l.r.-g7r ~. $500
/ Q. Did you have the note, or potes. IN vonr
possessionf 4. Not until 1t was held by the
bank. simply saw the notes IN the hands of
the presidens Of the bank.
@. Do you know by whom that was !udorsSdI
"A. All these notes were Endorsed by De Golyer
3 Mcclellan, payable to their order. This
note was 90 indorsed. There was no other b.
dorsement on IL. --7--1'
Q. whsa wss thIio AaIcan hardly tell the
% ~ a. Z, z A. : -, 81. 80
Ecsipt, nsy ask. s- - ss7s F
3. July .: a. think is was the fore part
OF the year 1873 ia az a tr-s,s - ~ =
Q. Kirkland was with youi A. Yes, sir. He
Was not with me al that time; but be had been
at my house, and stated one Of those notes was
past due, or was about to become due, and
asked would II be paid at the time of maturity.
Itold himI didn't know; thatI would see De-
Golyer Mcclellan. He said that the Cook
County National Bank held the note. I went
TO the Cook County National Bank, and the
president stated to me that he had the note,
and showed it to me &C that time.
9. Who was the PRESIDENT A. I cannot
call his name. -..--r s...t..
@. Do you know who placed that note there
for collection3 A / do not. I don't know
how that note came there. He said he received
It In regular way. That was his statement
TO ms. 40 s,--. ..sas 49, g-F- q
Q. Why did he say that he received IL in
regular wayi "A. don't know why be stated
q. Is not that the way these notes are usually
received by banksa Al suppose 90; but I was
SURPRISED 70 know the notes was In bis hands;
and lt,nay hare been owing tony expression
Q. why does Mcclellan, in one Of his letters
70 you, can these notes fancy notesp, A.
That Is the name he always gave them AFTER
ward, That "a one Of his own selection.l
Q. When did you last see Colonel Kirtlan6
A. have not seen him for many months.
q. What Is Mr.. Kirtland,s businessl A.
think that he has farm at Green Bush, oppo-
site Albany. . - 1sT - d ,hrz :.fSIE
Q. noticed yesterday In your testimony yeu
gave detailed account Of these notes and they
seem to be for different amounts and payable
at different dates. You win ind reference to
the amounts on page 1929 Of the record. They
are embraced m, the telegram sent by you to
DeGolyer q Mcclellan. A. Yes, sir; At lib
Prairie avenue Chicago. .--- . go. -.-.-; }
%! Was this telegram sent in pursuance Of an
understanding or consultation you had with
Mr.. Kirtlandf A. L was after had arranged
the terms Of payment-the time upon which
these notes should be made = = /
o. We're notes afterward made In accordance
with this telegram. as to the anountsl A,
Preciselyin accordance with this telegram, as
to amounts and time. ~ 4--z. ~
y
to Chicago memorandum corresponding with
this telegram. I have no doubt that had .
memorandum; that Is my custom.
Q. That was arranged between ron and Mr..
Kirkland in Washington A. Yes, sir. -gs-
@. Why was it that these particular amounts
were namedI A. That i cannot answer; / do
not know. They were made at the request Of
Mr.. Kirkland as to amounts. And the time was
made at my request. That Is long time 50 as
to pass over.
o. Did he give you no reason for desiring
several different notes in different amountsi
A. Not q word was said In regard to that
matter ~ 80 ~ 49,. ,--.-t
. o. You are awaraof that fact, that since you
vera INV sshington city, that there was an IN
Vestigationspr ogressing, and were you not like
wise aware of the fact that this matter of the
value of this Samuels process of irunizing was
under INQUIRY A. I did not so understand It.
@. Did you not know that Mr.. Niekerson had
testified upon that subject A. knew he had
been before the committee in some relation,
but did not know exactly how.
Q. And hsEer had the curiosity to ask him
what he testified TO upon that subject A. No,
sir; L never had the curiosity.
Q. Don't you know that the question Of the
injurious effect Of the use Of the ironizing pro-
cess was under consideration by the commit
teel A. No, sir; did not know that question
was up at that time. --.-, -
O.. And In your frequent interviews with Mr..
Nickerson that fact was never communicated
TO you'll A. Mr.. Nickerson never intimated to
me but what this was good process for
treating. -... =. 81.
It was alleged had been decayed by this pro-
cess were produced before that committed A.
No, sir; ! don't know that fact at all.
q. Nor did you attend any meeting Of this
committed A. didn't; not one.
q. Are You not aware Of the fact that Mr..
Kirkland, at one time, adjourned or resided in
Ohicagoi A. That he resided In Chicago prior
TO my being In Washington
o: Yes, sir. A. No, sir was not aware Of
o. He didn't reside there, then, subsequently
A. No, sir; not to my knowledge. have no
knowledge upon that subject that he ever did
reside IN Chicago.
ing the pendency of this negotiation about the
hottest A. Colonel Kirkland was in Washing
ton during the the tendency OF that nsgotia-
Q. / mean the negotiation with regard to the
payment Of the hottest A. Ee might have been
there a week. $3.50.
O. Your relations were as pleasant and as
intimate with Colonel Khtland as with Brown,
were they mott Al cannot say they were quite
. o. You met him ffeuuentiyi A. Yes, SIR,
Q. Dined at the same tablet A. Yes, sir.
9. And spoke 70 him with the same freedoml .
A. Ispoke to him win . great DEAL Of free
DOM. ..--r - s---sr
Q. Why was Il that he, who was to receive
much the larger portion OF this compensation,
loaned Youno portion Of the money-that you
found h necessary 70 borrowi A. I never
dreamed Of taking dollar Of the money that
gave him, OF that S97, 900. Ny tdes was to
have my profits entirely out Of the contract.
q. Why 6d you afterward, and before the
payment Of the 1000 70 you for Mr.. Brown,
make the arrangements with him that he
should loan you s., 00Of A. Simply because
had expended, at least, $4,000 Of personal
funds, Including my family expenses, In CHI
cage and In Washington, IN the five months
and ten days IN getting this contract, and was
short Of money. Before went back to Chi
cago-I think Il was two days before returned
to Chicago said, Incidentally, TO Mr.. Brown
II did not expect he would let me have the
money them said, incidentally, to him, 81
have got to borrow s., 900 for six mont as; and
be replied, st VIII let you have that money"
O. The point make is, why you should
speak Of your necessities 70 Mr.. Brown, who
was TO receive but q email portion Of this
money, and not to Mr.. Kirkland, who was to
receive very large sum Of money! A. The
arrangements with Mr.. Brown was to have cash;
the arrauUaFnaut Mr. Kirfiaud vvaa not n