New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1874-03-27

me- concerning it, that he had it borne upon hun as
her, and IN Of any member duty, TO bring this mat;
ter before Committee OF the church that ms sDu'
resting on him that the church suffering that tne
name of the pastor suffering. that the minds OF inc
the absence OF an investigations that he asked coun-
sci concerning it, that he had conferred with the
| pastor OF the Plymouth Church and felt tnat
| he would approve of 1t, and the only question
9Sh wn he ee eshfa correct SO
objected TO technically irregular ana nc De preyehe
told him il was delicate ON hand did not
feel at liberty refuse counsel IN regard TO minor ana
I technical matter to man who seemed TO me 10 DC
standing in somewhat difficult circumstances, under
serious sense Of responseity ana Tll sr4ng con 70
| give him any suggestion. told him II he would gee
s Se Do E'n We mns Give him such advice as he desired
We had systematically refrancd from intcrlosing in
any way through any member, by any influence, to
bring ~ mp. and from that course we 81, sh,nI ni
not depart He repeated again before two OF
rs his declaration that he needed no counsel,
asked counsel would take no counsel co1cerlns ms
nca regularity Of the way In which TO prosecute tnat
charge, ne did desire some advice which We gave him
kindly wisely, think tendery toWaiu lln a. q niai
oppressed with heavy sense OF great RESPONSIBILITY IA
spirit perfect brothery love and fellowship toward
the Church. That We are feSponsiole ior ie
ton the member into that ehuseh Is absolutely u-
Sir regard this matter OF personal conference with
| Mr. Beecner, yi speak for myself had no confer
1t had been made impossible b. him do nOt Know mat
desire shOaid be willing 10 odd anything beyond, or
that il is needful IL felt consequence OF wat
had happened 1t was not within my privilege 10 confer
Dr. Kankn-The directions OF our sIvior arc that Wa
go brother and II we do nOt succeed, take ahotneI
brother. II TO me there must os some movement
towards that before any say lac Is estopped from
moving on that point.
| RELATIONS BETWEEN DR. srorRs BEEcHyR
Prof smytbo-I hope Dr. StOrrs will not feel bound to
reply TO tho last Inquiry. We are dealing with the
transactions between churches and these pastors
ms representatives OF their churches. II Dr. Stors OF
course desires bring before this Council his past re
tlous personally and privately TO Mr. Beecher, GER
tainy ought interpose any difficulty IN the way
but hope he VIII not answer the question simply sna
merely under the feeling that the Council ASKS ,or
upanmlusy. For Oue do not ask for II. lApplausel
DR. Kankin-It strikes me that our relations to our
Christian brethren are ana uess aeto T
progress an attempt IN that direction, " seems ~ me
we cannot say we have done everything TO heal Tue
before Nave ao o not GeTe to nyc the
personal relations OF Dr.. sforrs and Mr. Bo'cher We
are here only to lnqu,ecohcermnS n p"b
Church. and whole raising OF this issue about what
he be gaining of this correspondence 10 me to
| he Irrelevant l submit that 10 your judgment: -,
Dr.. Rlnkin-I appeal from inc luuSmon' vi 'no ch'r
The Rev. Mr. Adams-Dr. slorrs has told US on his
honor that he smut out "a understand H. rom any
personal That satisfies me, aud do not SEQ
mat need to INTO the Investigation oil thr case as
to his ruhuness to his good judgment IN fcIatlOn
Tue Rev Mr.. Chapin-I do not want 10 go into the
pryate relations between Dr. StOrrs and mr. Bcecher
except far necessary. these matters are dece
matters ana for one an hnt II ~ vrv Iesab
That the galleries shall not express In any FORM approval
or np1oy1l IL is EMBARRASSING exceedingly aud
hone taf tho limitation Will he taken kindly by those
who are in the galleries aud thar we may depend upon
their readiness to further in arriving at free ana
The Moder5tor-I gave that suggestion to the audit
ence ia the beginning, but must add that II am re-
0uired TO demand fro them abstinence from denoa
STATIONS of applause or disapProval must require ~
also OF the Council lGreat laughter ana some ap
Tae Moderator-sicnccl ILaughter.l
| Dr. RankIn-I5et me ask question from Dr. Storrsf
| Dr. StOrre-It Is 10 good shall not answer w.,
DR.. Rankin-Dr. storrs has sud that he had been
| cstopped from making personal approaches TO Mr.
Beec6er II understand the decision OF tue Chair tnat
this question is out OF order, went to appeal 10 the
| Council whether IL lac ont OF order.
| The MOderaior-What is the question:
Dr. Rankn-Are these Committee saushed that IN their
| approaches TO Mr.. Bcecher and 10 Plymouth Cdurch
they pursued in spirit the method recommended by our
The M,d3ratOr-If the phrase Nj. Beechcr" signifies
his official position as pastor and bishop OF his church
that question l. not irrelevant. The personal relation
between these brethren Is thing, the official relation
of the pastors OF these churches to each othe Is another
course it is relevant Bat II yon come to the personal
Dr. Rlukin-Are We suppose that IN their relations
as bishops OF churches tney nave dereh' rea'onS 10
ACTION OF TIE CHURCH OF THE PILGRGNs
Dr. storrs should like 10 know II am expected to
answer that question: lLaugner Brethren, 1t Is sim
ply because to altogether according to the
prophecies Of the occasion and matter and because
would say nothing that might seem to Mr. Beecher or TO
any of his friends in any degree intending TO re-
,ct upon him without my intending II that L
| snpIy stopped with the answer that gave when
tons with Mr.. Beecher had been long and Intimate and
most aft, ctionae ana at tue same Le at the time tnis
letter SENT did not feel az liberty 70 confer with
him personally and condentiay III regard to the mat
Ter. As tho bishop Of church, Mr. Beecher Is the
bisuop of his church in perhaps IN which am
NOT bishop Of the Church OF the Pilgrims observed
that yesterday in their letter they addressed the Coun
Gil as reycrend fathers IN God" Well that u an ex-
| preston which applied III the Episcopal Church TO
ever heard applied Congregational pastors assem-
bled IN council And 1t probably or possibly sprung
dignity and authority OF the pastor, which has never
prevailed in Church Of the Pilgrims ana Which, II
ton. SO I am reverend father In GOD" TO the
Church of the Pilgrims, but am an officer OF that
certain degree OF official responsibility and Of feeling
as well as personal influence. But it would
not mean in this merely, but In cases
Of the kind-to take action as pastor Of
specifically authorized by the church. suppose that
any the churches in the vlcnity-lny one of them
Was TO accent doctrine anagonistic to the Evangelical
faith and destructive OF It, My relations 10 them would
be through the c0gnzinee OF mat action ana the re,
am its representative. do not pull the church.
more than the bowsprit pulls tue snip do not push
the church in all this matter have not pushed church
or committee. We have not pushed one another; we
have walked abreast, and nobody has had any more
propeller pull the rest We have all worked In
harmony. Now DO not know how far this Council
will decide that the specific rule OF discipline the 18th
chapter OF Matthew where the oense is between ind
yiduals applies to case III which one church renion-
strates with another We did not treat this as case OF
discipline, precisely. We had been in fellowship with
| Plymouth Church for all those years In peace and
brothey love and cooperation in good works, and we
| saw them doing what seemed to us a fearful thing,
fatal TO discipline, bringing stigma ON all our churches
| tending to work as "a principle OF mischief In every
| church in which il afterward introduced prnc
pe of disease active such, zymOtc principle, fer
meutng as it worked We that and we felt that 1t
was time to make some remonstrd1ce II was delicate
| thing to do. How did do 1T First, the pators
meeting together found that they felt alike Secondly,
they asked another pastor wise ana KIND ana not con-
nected with the lnclpent movements Wnat Nc uOuHnt
concerning IL, and found his mind In harmony with