National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-25

/ John o. Evsnsc sAudhsd for $4,000: Noun.
Vernon sasaSs SSeeo; Pstress circle, IarseiE'
sSO ssrs saatNSs New l YORK ssenss
north, $1,000; north, Twelfth 70 Seventeenen
RsceiSsS cer,Iacass. Nos. 1851, Mss, a7be zoo
and a7si, dated september ls5' SO isF SsI &Ss
The Endorsement on that is in Mr.. Shep,
herds handwriting in pencil:
Messrs. oertiey and Barney will have this
measurement made at once and report.
ByMr. MattingIy: O. What Is the date Of
that letter. A. August %. ----<=---------
BY Mr.. Hubbell: Q; Did you not testify the
other day that that wfs referred by the vice
president 10 Mr.. OertfyP A 'Yes, SIR. Mr..
Barney has told mel have asked him-tha,
he has never seen this paper. Mr.. 0ertly has
taken charge of it. Now, two days only after
Mr.. Oertly here-not, Mr. Barney-reports-
this is on the 18th August. and then, on the I'd
September, MIR. Oertly reports as having been
completed by John o. Evans. esq, the streets
which appear by the Endorsement of September
2, 1873, on the letter OF August %.
\ The Witness. Before I leave this paper
wish to say, of course IN many cases vouchers
bore Mr.. Barney'sI signature; and that such
measurements as those are made by Mr.. Oertly
and Mr.. Barney as proper, MIR. Oertly being his
equal In the office. After he made the meas
urement he considered 1t merely as CLERICAL
find in this measurement some amounts are
bigger than the vouchers are when the work
was finished 1t shows the superficial way in
which this work was done. This paper Iindi-
eating lshows that this was referred to Aessrs.
! Oertly and Barney, and not to me-. Here is an
4 Endorsement: "Referred by Mr.. Shepherd 10
the engineer"
By Mr.. Mattiugly: Q. This is the statement
| on the back of the wrapper made by the clerk.
A. No; this Is an abstract.
| @. Made by the clerk A. Yes sir,
BY Mr. Hubbeli @. That Is a wrapperi A.
That is the official wrapper. =. - -.
O. This was done by the clerk! A. Yes, sir;
but he makes the abstract. But say how in
exact he is. He only has said l: Referred by
Mr.. Shepherd to the engineer" / will cshow
that some of the final vouchers were smaller
than those. Where Is my voucher-book, Mr..
Mattingly9 You had 1t last. 81 ii
Mr.. Mattingly. have it here, If You de-
sire IL. = r -..F o.
By Mr. Hubbell: q. would like to ask Mr..
Cluss question on this. ITO the witness. ]
How long after this estimate was made by Mr..
Oertly before your attention was called to it
A. 1t was some time afterwsrd.
Q. About how Iongl A. Well, couple OF
weeks, should think.
Q. Did you at that time think It was an
over-estimatel A. No; 1t is not so big an over
estimate that could have noticed It. If, for
luSI1IlCc, IuCTc 10 SOftOOO CSblIldtC anu
the final estimate comes to only S33, 900 or
So, 900 the difference is not big enough so that
l could he called upon or would be liable to
find it out. But l. just instance that 10 show
the exact way Of doing things.
Q. All the point you make there is that 1t is
an irregular way Of doing the work. A. Yes,
sir; that is my whole complaint.
By Mr.. Mattingly: Q. Did not either Mr..
Barney or Mr.. 0ertly make all the partial
measurements A. Never without my knowl-
edge, except In these cases of Evans and Mr..
Gleason.
Q. Did Mr.. Barney make partial measure
ments! A. Yes. sir; but he always showed
them to me. -..-.-
O. Were they not paid on Mr.. Barney's GER
tifcate! A. Yes, sir; they were sometimes.
Blythe Chairman; @. Mr.. Cluss, let me ask
you question about this: Do you call that an
estimatei fReferring to document.] A. Yes,
sir; all this work has been paid for.
Q. That is not my question. Do you call
that an estimated A. No, sir; call 1t a very
careless way Of doing business.
| Q. Is It an estimated A. 1t is so considered
by the auditor.
Q. II is not under any of your formsl A.
The auditor has taken IL, and has paid it.
Q. Not at all, as appears from that paper.
Do you know that that estimate has been paid!
A. 1t shows there.
Q. Do you know that It has been paidi A.
| nave lOOkeQ IN TIC IfcabuTeI b anu l
find that monty has been paid on that. could
not recall the columns.
Q. Do you mean to say that from that paper
the estimate there has been paid by the audi
! tori A. That is my best impression.
Q. Read. and see how much was paid upon
that estimate by the auditori A. Audited for
$85.00O
@. Read the whole paper.
4 CThe witness here read Endorsement of Sep
| TENDER 2. 1881 ..... ... d.. .- E.....
Q. Now, see this paper on one side Of it is
for 1914 1858, and ON that side is an audit
amounting to little over $780, 900. want to
know if it is from this paper that you say the
1914 ,00e has been paidi A. Two similar
vouchers were passed like this-that in the
aggregate. 1t Is always our way of business
to carry one forward from the voucher. OIL.
Q. Wait moment. only want to get at
the fact. What you mean to say is thai the
previous partial estimates and payments, and
this SS5, 900, made ssh ,0OOi A. Not exactly.
l could not say that, you know. ...,.
| Q. Well, that is what want to get at.
| By Mr.. Mattingly: Q. Do you not know 1t
does not! A Most likely for the exact settle
ment he would wait for the final voucher.
By the Chairman: Q. What we want to get
at is this: You present this as q voucher, as an
estimate, and we want you to show
US how it appears from this that
that 1914 900 was paid, because It appears on
one sue OF lHls paper tlaL OniT Soo,OOU was
paid. A. If that is the case, then have to
ask for the Informal voucher of July 2, and
then for the informal voucher of July &c.
There are two informal vouchers which will
make the total amount.
| The Chairman. Let those be produced.
By Mr.. Mattingly: Q. Final payment for
that was made on the final voucher approved
| by youi A. Yes, sir. -. .-.--.
! BY the Chairman: @. Then that is not a
| final youcheri A. No, sir; but 1t is voucher
on which money is paid, and which ought, in
my opinion, to 60 through the regular course
! of business as soon as the others.
By Mr.. Stewart: @. Is that the one that
you said was fraudulent? A. Oh, no.
Q. Has there been q fnal settlement A.
| Yes, sir: here they are.
/ By the Chairman: Q. THIS particular street?
A. Yes, sir, exactly.
| BY Mr.. Stewart: G. For this same thing can
you show the final settlement A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who certified to the final settlement?
A. did, sir. certified to the final settle
ment.
Q. The final settlement on these were cor
recti A. The figures were somewhat changed.
Ny impression is they were brought down in
several cases, about 81 900, perhaps.
Q. mean the final statement was correct!
A. Yes, sir. l. +. .-.s- .. ...
o. Then John o. Evans was not overpaid in
this matterl A. He was paid what they
agreed TO him ..-..-..-
| Q. say he was not overpaid beyond his con-
! tract in the matteri A. Not beyond his con-
! tract. go. u
Q. There was no fraudulent measurement in
this transactionl A. / have said that before.
Q. Then what you complain of was that Mr..
! Oertly made the partial measurement A.
Yes, sir. .-... & -.
Q. Andthat they paid money on his partial
Measurements A. Yes, sir. nam. ..
@. But when you came TO make q final
statement, II was submitted TO you, and It was
correct A. Yes, sir. - -----,..-.-
Q. Was anybody injured by the transaction
at all A. 1t Is an irregular proceeding.
Q. mean was there any injury1 A. Ihave
not complained of any fraud SO far. have
complained of the great irregularities that ex-
listed in our office.
Q. The irregularities that exist in Mr..
Oertly's making these measurements A..
Well in many similar cases. -'a -
Q. Well, I am speaking Of this particular
transaction. You cay 1t was referred by Mr..
Shepherd to Mr.. Oertley, the paper shows that
1t was to Mr.. Oertly and TO Mr.. Barney. A.
| Yes, sir. rT-. ..1s b. o.. .sr''-- - '
Q. They were the men In your office who
were doing the work, were they mott A. Yes,
! sir, ..r-r----s .--ElE- .-eas.r .ze-rr-s L +.
Q. When that was Endorsed that way It was
sent to your Office I auDDose1 A Most likely