The New York herald., 1874-07-27

U Ana IL that tue only copy that you nave oi
these papersY A. IL is the only copy have Of
Franks papers.
.. Copies in shorthand being read and never
being compared with the originalsf A. When
Frank read 10 me three or 1Our or five sentences
would write them down.
BY MIR. Hali-Dld you compare them with the
originalsr A. What do you mean by comparing
them with the originas9
2: DO you Know that they are an exact tran
z. You wrote them from your pbonographic
notesY A. You VIII find these extracts all per-
iectly correct-every one, absolutely.
BY Mr.. Wlnslow-Do you remember the purport
o. es what you le,t ont A. Ny impression Is that
pages OF sheet OF fOolscap: there was long ar
gument IN It TO snow the d1ieuities that he was
in; II had quoted the whole 1t would have made
this statement much stronger, but 1t would have
made 1t a cumoered document.
Y, Is there something that YOU have not quoted ?
A. great deal but there IS nothing IN that quota
ton that violates the whole spirit or the letter
z. Had you no reason for Omltting what you did
except TO avoid length9 a. No; only IL alluded TO
interviews; for instance, in tais way:-'I am
greatly distressed with what the deacon said,n or
zine Brooklyn Eagle must not go on in this way !"
many things might be added that are unimportant
in TINS exhibit but that were important at the
time.
Y. On page l03, mo man can see the difficulties
that environ me, ~ &C., did yOn quote the whole OF
that letter. A. Only q fragment Of it; there is
not whole letter in all these quotations
z. In making these quotations see no stars
A. do not know whether 1t is the omission OF the
printer, but put in stars TO show wnere the con-
necton was broken OF; where took paragraph
which was long and 1t was continuous from begin
ming TO end there IS no need OF stars.
Y. Your letter, ''fO complaining Friend" that
was publis ell, TO whom was that wrttena A.
That was written to nobody; everybody was say:
ing, "YOu ought to answer the Woodruff scandal"
answer.
Q. Then you say that the letter .To Complain
ing Friend' was a ictlon A. Yes it was written
on purpose as pubic card.
q. How long after the Woodruff scandal was
that A. 1t was published long time after that
date not longer than Two or three weeks, think,
perhaps not ten days; my impression ls that 1t
was not published until long time after; thought
l had written an ingenious card, but 1t did not
amount to anything; Wendell Phillips said, cit Is
tine thing but for one thing; you ought to have
said tnat your wife was not guilty - but could
not say mat, and the card went Tor nothing; IL
was one OF number OF ingenious subterfuges:
wrote it thinking that it would please Elizabei In
read 1t to her before It was printed and she liked
1t; alterward she spoke TO me violently about 1t,
and said IT was another way OF perpetuatng the
scandal.
O. And charged You with publishing it for that
purpose2 A.. No, not that.
T. But did not she say that the enect of that
publication would be to perpetuate the scandal
and reviveit9 A. Yes after ii was published.
O. The Woodruff scandal was dying out Of the
minds OF the people, was 1t not then, when that
was publishedf A. think not; did not know
Inc hne 1e m c Wnen ~ wasi ~ ~ qeatn @ OF wnicn nave
O. i asked whether the woodruff scandal was
not dying ont OF the minds OF the people, and
whether it would not have died out but Tor that :
A. Wen, don't know; you are better judge Of
L
Q. Do you not know that the publication Of that
letter revived the talk and the scaDdar A. Yes,
yes; every thing revives the talk the appointment
OF an investigating committee revived IT in the
same way, IN general terms.
Q. What other publications have you made since
the publication OF the woodruff scandal and the
letter ITO complaining Friend" and the Bacon
letter aud letters to the Council2 A. The letter
with ierocious comment; If 1t had not been
printed with pad comment, think 1t would have
had good effect; but that letter did harm.
m atr1-
ated the scandal Instead 2 Of alIayns Il did
harm in the sense that 1t purpOrted to be DENIAL
not deny, and 1t left about this impressiOn-that
Mr.. Titon, direct man, who knows what he
means and could say IL, II he could have denied
TINS squarely would have done 1t; the impression
was that II was written to deny, but that 1t dld
not denV.
Q. Did 1t not carry in 1t a strong implication of
gutY A. Well, perhaps In a sense you might In.
ierenItiaiy ,I say So; think you might say that; l
all, from the beginning down, 1t would have been
great deal better.
| q. The scandal would have died out long ago.
would 1t nots Ii has only been kept alive py your
writings A. have acted ike a lool, admit.
BY Mr. Tracy.-We ali COncede that, and 10 not
need to call witnesses to prove It,
q. Now, when the council was in session, that
took the iOrm, did It not OF an ecclesiastical con-
trOverSy, IN which the scandal proper dropped out
OF sightf A. There is no scandal proper.
z. Wen, this scandal ltseh dropped out Of sight,
! and the controversy was over an ecclesiast Cal
! question, 1t nOt9 A. In technical sense
but everybody said that that council revived the
1 UuSlueSS.
| q. Did not you know that your letters revived
the scandal A. Yes; or it did not need revivIng-
1t had lie in IL.
O. Did not your letters to the council largely
call out the letters by DR.. Bacon? "A. think Dr.
Bacon took sublime Indifference to my letters in
the first place; he sent them back from the coun-
Gil do not now recolect tnat there was any eX-
tract from my letters to the council that were IN.
trOduced at all by DR.. Bacon; perhaps there was !.
ii he made any aiinson at all to them it was most
.. You knew that the effect of your letters to the
WDull In nj id
notr A.. M, / did not; wrote them to vlndicate
myself; dld not care whether they revived the
U. Did not you know what the effect would be ?
A. thought OF vindicating myself; mad been at
take care OF itself; was not so tender toward the
scandal that should refrain from defending my
sell II 1t would revive 1t even.
z. That IS evident Mrs. iiiton's letter to you
quoted February 9, 1868, and Commencing ''Ah! (!
did angei ever love so grandly as my beloved" In
''And the dear ,riends who love u.s." You origin.
ally wrote IT, and you have erased ''us and put In
N ne no ysp know weS hSs IS Mna1 s
examining the first draft of the cOmmunlcatIon)
Z. How came Mrs. Iilton 10 write that letter to
MOultOn, denying that she mad ever thought OF
separating from you A. Frank. as soon as he
undertook to make the compromise between us.
undertook to stralghte out whatever was wrong;
there was story that Mrs. Morse set afloat about
my being divorced, and Frank wrote note to
her or went to see her ana she wrote this note.
z. Dd not she write 1t at your suggestion A.
do not THINK she did; l think she wrote It at
FranA's suggestion; had forgotten that letter
until found 1t among the papers.
Mr.. Hul-Dld not you make any suggestion to
her about writing that letter. A. do not recol-
lect distinctly; it may be that | did; do not
know; co-Operated with Frank.
General Iracy-has she not during this contro.
versy signed letters that you have written for her
A. No; she wrote letter tO'Dr. Storrs, part OF
which suggested the phraseology, Of u delicate
statement OF her relations to Mr.. Beecher whicn,
while it was not false, did not convey more than
halt OF the truth; the remainder she wrote herselt
sne was gong to state too much In 1t.
z. Is there any other letter that she has ever
written at your dictatcn, and signed after you
had written II, In this CONTROVERSY A. Well, do
not know; do not recOlect any at present.
Z. DO you remember a letter that she wrote Mr.
MOulton, commencing "Dear Francis, told you a
falsehOOd last night ~ A. never saw it,
z. DO you remember that Mr.. MoultOn reported
to You, on any occasion, that she had made a
statement that what you claimed was her confess
sion she had made at your solicitation ana IN
stance, ana at time when you were confess.
ing to her, or anything OF that description, and
that you were angry about IL, and took Mouiton
10 your house to have him see whether she
un m al IN