The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1874-03-22

cheeks before you are hall through with your APP
peal. really think that the business men OF TINS
city very generally feel, not simply passive Will
ingness. but an active DESIRE to help on every good
movement. Connec ed with their own good ior-
tune is KIND OF personal Obligation 10 give some
thing ior oojects which are commemorate. have
never yet failed 70 get what wanted from the
downtown men, and believe they are, as q class
the most generous men In the world H. on the
other hand your plan is ut all chimerical don't 90
into New York counting house .rhs head OF the
firm can see through you ut once, and you might
as well try to suck water out OF the sands OF
Sahara as to get money from nm Before your
story Is half told he becomes impatient, lights a
fresh cigar, puts the smoke In your lace and
wishes YOU at the centre OF the cartn. Save your
tongue for some one else, Tor no amount OF palaver
Will get a single dollar IRON him. II you are hot
In hurry he is, and he Will plainly indicate, by
language taat no child could mistake, that the
sooner leave the better IL WILL De Tor both par
ties.
oUIxoTIC PLANS.
confess to being greatly amused the other day
by plan developed IN little pamphlet. called
"lhe Problem OF Poverty" evidently written ny a
man Iii dead earnest What ne wanted TO DO was
nothing less tnan To empty the OvernOwing bowl
VI the poorer classes into south Carolina. lie
proposed 10 get together 1000 OF these struy-
Cling folks, buy tickets for the nigh lands
OF that d0ubiy doomed state and then
start o town. He said enthusiastically
that $1,000 would be all the money required to
TO repeat the experiment In ever varying success
sion until. through the spigot OF New York, the
poor population mad been drained into the lands
OF the Southern and Western States AT first sgnt
OF the plan you cry, EureKai put, on second
thoughts, you snake your ns1u. IL would be, per-
haps, d sweet revenge on South Carolina for hav-
ipg BEEN during the last two generations a dis
turber OF The national peace, TO dot her sandy
plains and pine barrens with groups OF 1000 OF the
poor OF New York city; but the chances are that
she has poor people enough now, and would not
thank any one Tor importations OF that Sort
POOR PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.
Now, IN the irst place. the class that our friend
seeks TO benefit feel that they have an inallenaoe
choosing. Everybody knows that certain pro-
portion ol our overorowded population would i've
better, and perhaps become thrifty, II they would
establish themselves on little farms anywhere, out
they wont do It, the VACCINATIONS OF great city
are such that many man would rather starve
IN some out OF the way alley here than nave
enough ana 10 spare anywhere else. Thls Is stem
TACT which Dhllanrhropists persist In ignoring. 1t
Is one OF the ny steries OF social economy. Its
cause Is "a love OF excitement whch Is always to
be found mere. You cannot put postage stamps
on man and send him DOWN to the pine
no; neither can you put handouts on him and
drag him and his family away IRON their
dirty attic and their squald poverty to the splen-
doris OF the usedup soil oil tae southern States. II
man VIII stay here, then Christian Charity must
do the best sDe can Under the circumstances. 1t
does not lessen our responsibility wait that the
poor are determined TO take tneir chances IN the
city.
SPECULATIVE PHILANTHROPY.
In the next place, let US look at the finances Of
our friend. For 100000 he proposes to establish
1000 people IN village. Wen, the village Is not
made yet, and that Is what the 100000 Is tor
Two thousand people would make about 400 lam
lies; therefore. a village OF 400 houses must be
estimates that the houses would cost 5000
apiece, and that unless my arithmetic Is at
fauln would aggregate $24o,oOo. This does
not include the price OF the township, nor the
churches, scbOoihOuses, stores, town hOlse, steam
lire engines, nor tue thousand etceteras which
absolutely necessary to begin the WORK. There are
cattle, farming utensils, stock Tor the grocery and
the notion stores, to be bought. Then there
the first years taxes and 200 railroad tickets.
Altogether, 1t struck me tbat capital oil some
thing like million would be little enough TO IN
sure success. Besides this, anotner TACT is to be
considered. Your population, in It's entirety Is
made up, not OF thrifty fellows who could get q
living anywhere, out Vi people who nave to be sup
ported ny charity, and who are no more lit to go
lntO such pioneer work than SO many school,
TIE CLERGY rMPRAcrIcABLE.
Altogether 1t strikes me that the congregation oil
phanthropsts winch gathered in Dr. Deems
church 10 listen TO this poor apology OF di cam
must nave been extremely edited and amused.
never thought the clergy very practical, but plan
OF that KIND is beyond all credibllity.
And SO one device after another comes up and IL
| laid aside. You cannot cart all the poor people o
New York into south Carolina and dump then
down on the exhausted soil OF its pineries aud ge
RID OF the problem OF poverty IN that way. W.
shall always nave q large population To feed when
| ever we are struck by u panlc and whenever tn
winter is peculiarly severe, and the best thing t
do Is to create q Chris tian public opinion, whic
opens the plethora purses OF the rich to allevat
suffering. The last three months show what W
can do and we stand ready 10 do more next time
The Conversational Council-The Grca
| Tues
| day-seventy-nine Churches to sent
Delegntcs-PlymouthC hurch's Position
On Tuesday the Council which is called to denn
the standing and relation Of Plymouth church t
others IN the Congregational fold Will assemble il
DR.. Buddinglon's church, in Clinton avenue
Brooklyn. Seventy-nine churches have been in
vted to send delegates, lay and clerical, but seve
raj OF those first invited have refused 10 partci
pate. Seventeen ministers not in the pastOrate-
editors. educators, &c.-will come as delegates a
large. At least 125 persons will constitute the
court. They come from Maine, New Hampshire
Vermont, Massachusetts,, Rhode Island ant
Connecticut and New York city ant
State from New Jersey, the Distric
OF Columbia, Ohio, Michigan Illinois, Wisconsin
and Missouri. The churches In this city and vi
the Broadway Tabernacle and the First church IL
Harlem; State street, Elm place and the New Eng
Puritan, Pilgrim and Clinton avenue churches, o
the same CITY. Tie Council Will be the larges
cred in this section. Plymouth church has peel
invited TO attend by It's pastor and delegates
not as equals, but as accused AID as witnesses
against themselves. The Church and pastor hav
most emphatically declined to countenance tn
gathering or 10 attend under these circum
nas Been pabsnsd already Dr.
Beecher has also published very able analyst
! OF the whole case and presented the Plymouth
between 1t and the other churches that have Gale,
the Council. The latter insist that 'lOOsenessn an,
"irreguarlt1eSN exist III Plymouth church, an,
that It's pastor has not only sanctioned, but en-
couraged, these things. They, OF course, canno
countenance such looseness and lTregularity, and
having done all they could in the epist0lary line Il
induce either the church or pastor OF Ply mouth t.
cry out peccdUt and to promise never more Co 81
after the same manner, they have now called TIKI
Council to tell them whether they shall longer
sider Air. Beecner and his brethren as brethren IL
Christ anu members OF the one true Congregations
told. They did not require advice wnen they be
gan to write letters but when they ceased to writ,
they did. Had they asked counsel in the beginnln,
they might not have needed 1t in the end
Plymouth church, OF course, denies the charge
OF Ooseness and rregularity. IL insists that ever
Congregational church Is u law unto ITSELF and u
Its own master 1t standctn or ialleth. 1t has fol
lowed its own manual. II had no jurisdiction owe
member who had ceased his relation to th(
church four years before. Besides, the law OF The
State OF New York does not recognize any person
as a member of a church who has not attended or
the ministry OF such church Tor at least one veal
and paid "a reasonable and substantial sum lor the
support OF said church. Hence, according to the
statute, Mr.. TillOn had ceased to be membel
IN IN a nj usf- hot Arn aha,