New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1874-04-07


less he referred the solicitor, and the oooo
referred me IN somebody else all sorts OF
red tape about it.
Mr. Foster-so that the additions TO the contract were
made with the fun knowledge Of Mr. Rehardsoh' """
he signed them knowing what he did sign
Mr.. sanborn-There cannot be any doubt about IT,
never thought otherwise.
GEN. BUFFERS CONNECTION WITH sASBokN'
Mr. Foster-You paid no Member OF Congress any
counsel fees
Mr.. Sanborn-NO. Sir.
Mr. Fostcr-Did YOU not contribute a sum to tue eA-
penses Of certain Gubernatorial campaign in Massa
chusCttsi
Mr.. sanborn-Yes, Sir; always do 1t.
Mt Fostr-That had nothing to do with the eontract'
Mr.. sanborn-Notin any shape.
Mr. Fos,er-Have yon any objection to tell US no"
Mr.. sanborn-I don't think that is proper in fact,
cannot tell you; have expended goou deal Vi "o''
Mr., F"ster-In what interest was that money ex-
Mr. sanborn-It was probably expended in Gen But
leT,s interest; paid IL to me Committee
Mr.. Foster-What Committee
MI. Foster-was it before or after the nominations
Mir. sanbornl do not recoect; they generally ASSESS
Mr.. Foster-You say 1t was paid in Gen. Buffers In
Mr. Sanborn-I think paid some before the nominal
Mr. Foster-Then 1t was spent in his interest, as you
Mr. sap6orn-I have doubt that the first was,
Mr.. Foster-And That was what 1t was gwen iori
Mr.. SanbOrn-Yes, Sir. .
Mr.. F0ster-Did Won not counsel with Gen. Butter at
the time that ne went on your ban mere apOut t's
Brooklyn matter ,,,, A..
MIR. sanborn-I spoke to him about it told him that
was going 20 Brooklyn he asked me II knew any
body there | told him knew Mr. Robinson OF the urn
OF Woodruff & Robinson, ana that also knew N.Y. oanu
the Adams Express Company, who would go any
Mr. Foster-Did not Gen Butler tell you that he knew
Mr. Robinson
MI. SdnbOrn-NO. Sir.
Mr.. FOster-He did know HIM a matter OF factf
Mr.. Sanborn-NO; think he knew another member OF
Mr. FOster-Dd he in fact secure this bail for youi
Mr.. SanbornI think he gave me letter to this other
Mr.. Foster-Gen. Butler served you IN that matter
without any feesl
Mr.. Sanborr-I never paid him a cent
Mr.. Foser-And you probably feit kindly 10 nun, anu
therefore contributed Literally to his cause IN Mass'chu
Mr. sauborn-That is not unusual Everybody who
knows me knows that 40 that anyhow $3.50
Mr.. Foster-Have you paid money to any one, whlch
YOU had to believe GOING directly or IN
directly to any member OF C0ngressf
Mr.. SanbOrn-NO, Sir.
Mr.. FOsterHave you any objection to giving us de-
tailed statement OF the expenditures you have made
Mr.. sanborn-Yes Sir, | have. 1t seems rs Though !
ought not TO do So bought the information aud paid
for II, from strictly confidential sources.
Mr.. FOster-I should ike TO know how much you con
trihued TO that Butler fund in Massachusettsi
Mr.. SanbOrn-It could not have been much to the But
Ter fund do not recollect how muen to the general
Mr. wood-who advised you not to put in your state
Mr. Sanborn-several lawyers
Mr.. WoOd-Did any member OF Congress advise you
Mr.. Sanborn-l think one member OF Congress advised
me 10 nut IN ny statement
Mr.. Sanborn-I think 1t was Gen. Butler
Mr.. Wood-Then you have taken Mr.. Woodbridee's
advice and not Mr. Butle.'ei
Mr.. Sanborn-Ies, Sir.
CRoss-ExAMINATIoN OF Mr.. sASBORN BY Mr.. BECK.
QiDid you give any other information
this contract than what forth these books A.
Yes Sir In conversations, not written information they
did not require any.
O. You gave them lust what have here moth
ing more A. There were some conversations.
O. You gave them information indicating where the
parties yed--whether in California or in Maine only
Just grouped together in this way and said
that this class OF persons indebted TO the Govern
menti A. That all that was required 10 DC fur
nIshed to the Department
O. And that was all that you furnishedi A. fur.
nisned information in the of statements.
O. To whoml A. l uont remember; to all Of the Off
GERS, more or less.
O. Did you 90 over any Of this information with secre
tary Richardson A. don't know did particularly
O. Did you go over / with Secretary Boutwell, A. l
didn't go over it with any OF them; 1 gave them an
idea in the course of conversation OF certain sums OF
money that were due for certain things.
Q. Did you pretend to give them the amount that
was due from any ono person by name A. NO, SIR
they never required that.
any one OF these people and In what way il with
hedi 4. Yes Sir could tell great many of them,
undoubtedly
@ You have list. as you answered Mr.. Foster
while ago. of 593 railroads A. Yes.
O. Where did you get that list A. That list was
made up as answered Mr. Foster, after examina-
ton of quite number Of cases, | think 80 40 at
least or perhaps $50 cases. there was not case Of
those examined but 1t found that they owed the
Government something some and less, and
l. by my attorney made up this list from Appetons'
Guide, OF somebody's guide.
Q. Taking all the railroads they could find, In the
United statesi A. told them so, and that Ia the
son objected to the filing Of 1t; objected myselfto
doing anything Of the kind; didn't propose to do it,
but they said 10 had better be filed.
O. Who said it had better be hledi A. Well, my
friends.
O. Who were theyl A. couple of attorneys-my
lawyers.
O. Who were theyi A. Well, Sir, one of them was Mr..
Prescott.
O. Where does Mr. Prescott lvei A. He lives in Bos-
ton.
O. Was 10 his opinion, q lawyer, that you had
right under law OF Congress- to throw In all the rail-
roads you could find IN AppleOns Guide, and claim hah
Of what you could mazeout Of emixDd he tell you
sol A. I don't know that he gave mo his opinion as
LAWYER but we concluded put the list in, and tooki
to the Department, and 1t laid there long while.
AN AFFIDAVIT.
@ In fling your list at Washington you made an AMI
davt which will read, for want TO see how accurately
you swear. Addressing the Hon. Wm. A. Richardson,
Secretary Of the Treasury. you say
Ihaye the honor herewith 10 Dcose list OF railroad
corporations doing business the United States when
are indebted 10 the Government upon taxes upon dvl
dends and interest, paid upon bonds which t1ey nsVa
heretofore withheld and refused 10 pay wouid ~,
the incosei list be added ~ my sad
contract with the Secretary of the Treasury SAID
contract bearing date Aug 49, 1872, and as amended
Oct 80 1872 Very respectfully, your obedent seryant
JOHN d. SASBoRS.
Subscribed and sworn to before me, legally aP