New-York tribune., 1874-12-22

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make; without due preDaratiou. statement whioh
should aiterward be Obliged correct br few
II dollars lrss In anot1er direction. 10 would bc met
H by contradictions and denals from vrrious quarter
H Part as against my imperfect memory or npon
u thing else; Or even should be literally exact in nv
/ viii "1.iy scc what an immense advantage viii be
given to those who deny statements. and a. wnat an
the Committee and Tie public viii he placed - this
inaticr; have had no Opportunity of dissrcna thrs-
h arcVnnt1: II Is necessary ~ have fncm all for
the purpose of comparing them, and 4 IA nece--
sary that -hoIld have thr servlcrs OF Mr. scntc:'
for although } was In the accountants d"plrinrnt
a. % "S 10 " n aStsF f"f "r ,t T 1 a M rt IT, " vi ~ Mr.
seDt"I, MD, h1~ey"r tIlik thai on M"nday or Tu -
Gay at Tue ,,i'r can r, h T n s"Irr nay ns con w
q My inq;ury doe. not cnbr,cc any monrY that Won
paid to anyD0y. our orl, 10 persons whom. you en-
isli TIA, lodayi, 4: would ike 70 have have
ton That IL not a,kng too mu'h OF the I'm,
questions When began upon ne -u ject my mind was
nO>t blank. OWING partly TO nv mi Try. aud partly to
NV not HAVING given my Thought, toit tor long .me
aud II the Committee can grant mo tho indulgence
think Will bc for the Interest OF everybody con-
ccrnch. think have shown so far desire 10 do all
that me COnmiIec lntrd to the extent OF my power,
and wUnid like 10 do so now.
The Committee Hivlng -p M some time In cOnversa-
tion. tn" Cnair'lau s,,i: THIS s"b-colnmit sc, Nc
same spirit III whlrh you app,ar bcirr" them. They
have been eralilrd at the d''po;ltl"n yDe ro
emuorra.nrd in thl, way They have spent
good deal OF time upon theSe preininaIi'S ana the
recess that wilis probably begin on Wednesday next
possible before recess; do not this
over ana De subj OF Datted1re and shniie,co,k IN
500 how that. can be dine II We wait
must be examined before Wednesday. W. are wiling,
howevrr TO w'it t.il t"norro" morning and We thnk
n.lf SIrI ,nn
yon can be prrpred by tnat time to answer Us these
wi rcss assentci to ,this arrangement and promised
to do the bost could to get ready and accordingly tue
examination was suspended uatll Saturday tne lsh
inst at I0:30 a. N.
FOURTH DAY-IRwIN's REFUSAL TO, TELL WHOM He
EMPLOYED.
Dee. 10. ILLUMINATION of k. B. irwin Continued:
B, The Charman-Q Waom did you employ to help
you here IN SECURING the subsidy A. A numher OF
persons but not sUact to the jlrisd elton OF
the House.
O. Please give their n,mcsi A. shall be obliged.
very Reluctantly Mr. Ch ,lrIudn. to decline giSin: tho
names Of those persona upon several grounds have
endravored up 10 this point TO give the
Committee every intor"Adon and every assist.
y y own m ,o KY q. % T.. to ana s wlc mote that
il IN ny power. consistently WITH what Conceive
to bO ms duty' TO give these naia1' .ia bur.
tnat I have no rlg.h to d. So. | decline
to answer The Question upon several grounds;
which am prepared 20 sta. but before stltlnS tncm l
declare tAat did not cinP2' IN TINS connection any
SrtI:
present Con4res, decline TO answer upon tie o.-
loving gr"und5:
FSl: That the resolutions referring this matter to tho
Colmtt'r do not Givc the Committee Jurisdiction over
the subject master the Ntent of requiring an answer
10 that IN stion. lhat VI course 40 noI hho"'
N Ike that point Only form ilY.
Spcond Having stated tnat did not employ anv per
tc Jam lon al this Congress, ANA mere uc,
Ing nUiin1 the tcSlnuav, far as dui a'quilhed
with IT, 30 negative hat siaicient and 1t Drhg impos'
Ainr III tact 10 NEGATIVE thai otdfrmeh; an noiro|er.
urrr bs ailea,iy >uicieut Testimony III tlr possession
oI thn Committee. III nISIrd b. MYSELF and otheIs. to
cont redSbntbe man and consequently 10 con
Niar, committc' composed exclusively OF rcae lhdno
men. mat larfe sum 1t money Ca,,rarTv Cas "T
tue purpu-e Ot prOcdring tEc subsidy, ani ilat Tie
money us Il, for that purpnSr | decline TO answer
the further ground ihLt ucithcr lie Committee uor
the House OF representatives has any Jurisdiction over
tine suuici mttcr an taat lr TIE CJnnft nid jars
now been Hi'usitd ~ I''rhh4 tao p"' III '"o "S'i
m0ny when Ii v' stated A., Att, .iuo
matte having arisen and completed in a prior
Congress so tar a' my conne non with i Is concerned,
without jur.lI ii n over the subject. And
FOUthly state what l., IN my uind the grdvcst ana
controlling reason 'r NV declining 10 meet the wishes
of Committee. which Is. tnat hve no right ao an
DENTAL relation eAstins bowen III, self and Inv
oner person whit"yrr. and especially IN relation to
"r,eatIycS Ts q. have rosy stated iTat sab
j'et i. not snont In-c points TO ahe Gat C,n.Iee l
thai Ii wrrc Ia NY power 10 answer Il, tir, wish.
been read over 10 witns-. cunsLitinG hs counsel
he sad desire to c'rI''. my dlNN'rh ~ andlnG "!'tr
4.
the second to Ito last srnieuce oi the iirst
,,aragrauh tn. wor,s, "whO q memhcr
or officer of tle XLlii Congress-" so that the
last cause that scniencc viii read, declare that
did not employ IN tins cohn"rton any s'naOr Ut an'
nrmlmr Congress. officer Uf he present. tolI-
gr.ss 'ne.nDcr or oiltrr OF tho ALlld Con-
grr-S. . .,
put to YOU A. 40 Mr. Chairlnan, most RESPECT
O. without waiynS that question: and Insisting upon
il, an,wrr L desire Ia put ah0ther. VIII you 80!
State to the Co.nInltlec what potion of the the
s75OUOo. which YOU have tcsth ii you Received
irom thr Parsnc Mail Steamship COM
pany to lse in prnring thc passage or tne subsidy,
you put tho hans ol other pcrsous TO ad yon IN mat
work. a. pdid the wnoic oi tnat $4,000 to other
prrSOnS . =,
o. Will Won state what the largest sum YOU paid
Ia any prr'on tor ihat purpoicf A. Mr. Cnalrmdn-
| IhnK snail have tO decline answering tnat fOr the
reasons stated.
o. without waving these questions. but insisting
uuun incin, ash to state HOW many persons you
eIuuiuyrd TO ad you procuring the passage OF the
SUBSIDY bill! \. think WOdld answer that question
ii could recOcct the NUMBER bat really don't re-
mcmocr-quItc large nunIUcr; should sag on hand
az many is - or 3O
Sous and you III pIOcurg the pass Ige o the subsidy
through Congress Tor the Pacilic Mail Steamship Com-
pany OF such secret and cOhh hdenllal character
that You cannot nOnoraDy Disclose II .
Mr.. Chapman (of counsel for Irwiu)-I object, at this
stage the proceedings and instruct The witness not 10
that question az II Is outside or the jurisdiction
under which this inquiry was directed
Tie WItnpssI decline To answer tnat question: upon
tho ground that is beyond the jurisdiction OF the
Committee under The resolution by which This Inquiry
Was oruered aud upon other grounds
The Committee adjourned untll Monday.
IRWIN ARRESTED FOR CONTEMPT.
HIS REFUSAL TO ANSWER CERTAIN QUESTION
ASKED BY TIE COMMITTEE LEADS TO TIE OR