The New York herald., 1874-12-22

think not; don't know, but tnnK not; looked
Icr tnen the last time Wus Ia san Francisco q and
could not Had them.
z, Have YOU any memoranda OF those checkss
A. nave none.
@. can von tell the size oi themY A. can when
see my bank account; that is the only way can
tell.
o. VIII the accounts OF the American EXCHANGE
Bank disclose how that money was drawn A.
think they will SIMPLY give the amounts; IL any
money was paid IN casa over the counter the ac-
counts IN the bank Will show II, think, though |
can't speak positively as 70 that but tney viii
show the amount and the date.
Q. VIII they show also the several items or only
the aggregates A. Tney viii snow the several
Items detail; .he usual course VI a bank IN New
York IN keepng an account Is 70 iufhlsh It's Gus
toners with u passbUok containing memoranda of
every deposit which he makes To his credit, aud
now and then MS passDooN y sent 70 the bank ana
written up" so that he Is ADVISED o. the cohdi-
ton Of ms account; every entry 70 his uebL or
credit Is made III detail, hut as rule there Is no
specification OF names, only Just oI amounts.
At this point MIR. Irwin Informed the committee
thar he iet unable To proceed iurther, anu the ex-
animation was suspended until the Friday, the
1eth, at half.past ten A. NJ.
Mr.. Irwin here submitted number OF docu.
ments IN contradiction OF Russell Sage's state
ment that he mad Irwin arrested.
WHERE Is THE CHECK BOOK
On Friday December IS, 1874. the examination
OF Irwin was continued. as follows:-
BY the Shalrman-Have you your check book
American Exchange Bank : A. have not. sir.
q Where is IT. A. looked Tor IL the last time
was III san Francisco, but could not 1nd IL nor
any OF my other check books prior 10 the organs.
zation Of the firm OF X. B. irwin Co., IN Janu.
e. Wnat was the last ing you did with its A.
l put II away somewhere, IL and my other ola
cheeks all together.
a. Do you remember putting this one awayg A.
aon't lnlnk. ID act, that tnese checks were
orawn on loose checks or else from temporary
cneck cook cannot rene ember which, but think
on loose cnecks: ! was under the impression
when was looking for the check book that these
cheeks were q! avn rom book.
z. You mean to state, Then, that you don't think
the cnecks which checked this amount out OF the
American Exchange Bank were drawn from
cneck booSs A. think cnecks for the bulk OF It
were not, although OF the time looked Tor the
check books was under the impression that they
had been.
O. What leads you now to think that they were
not so drawn A. Simply that have thought the
matter over and can recoilect some circumstances
O. Do you think that any part Of 1t was drawn
from any regular cneck booxs A. am sure some
O. About how mucns A. An inconsiderable
amount; I should say that the Total amount
drawn out o. tine regular cheek SooE woula not
comparatively small items.
Why was tnat sum drawn from . regular
back TO san Francisco OF course resumed my
regular check BOOKS; IN referring TO the craving
all my cheeks up to about the 26th or May as well
as all alter my return 10 San Francisco. were
cnecE book, and the only reason why these checks.
as nearly rs can remember. were not was tnat
did 1ast ave, regular oooS w,sn me- was quite
things.
Z. was the portion OF the $780, COO which you
say was drawn rom regular cneck book the
balance which was LETT to your credit when you
returned to California A. Yes sir.
q. All except tnat balance mad been previously
drawn out on irregular checks !. A. Don't say lr.
regular checks; upon checks not belonging TO any
Z. Have those cnecks been returned to you A.
Yes, Sir.
9. Have you got them A. No, sir, have not
q Where are theys A. They ore destroyed
T. When were they destroyed9 A. They were
dnstr incr r
lett San francisco; they were destroyed III San
O. When were they returned to you at san
Franciscos A. some Of them were returned to me
before got to san Francisco, and when the trans.
days. SO as to adjust tae balance Of accounts. The
1rst cnecks were returned TO me at different
account win the American Exchange Bank before
leaving for England.
;, Y. HOW long did you Keep them before you de.
stroyed taems A. can't answer that except by
stating the date when think destroyed them; +
think can answer tue question BY looking ut the
me; l observe from the account mt current an At
as y S.nt me ,nas the ms
sSeses on the m sa ss
time. between May 81 aud June II. lour vouchers,
amounting to about S400U00: between October
and an @ October %, 1879. fourteen vouchers. about
.. The returned cheeks yoa have been tesuying
they also included moneys belonging 10 me per.
sonally and not in any way connected with the
subject matter OF this inquiry.
THE SIGNIFICANT BANK ACCOUNT.
Q. You hold 10 your nand your account with the
American EXCHANGE Bank A. Yes, sir.
cosamittees a. nave no OBJECTION 70 It ts b. being ING
put in evidence ultimately II the committee VISA
actions which have nothing to do with tins mat.
ter; IN order that the committee might be thor.
the end Of isss down 10 tue end d. Of III is7s rsserye
OF course my rlgnt to decline to put these &C.
comns ~ e 81 AFTER I sn9wng them 70 the
subject matter OF tnis inquiry.
@ Will you cause to be taken from this account
with the American Exchange Bank SO much OF 1T
as covers the period aoous which we are making
this INQUIRY Witness said he wished 60 consult
ms counsel before answering this question, and
@ Had you an account or accounts with any
otner bank or firm IN New YORK covering the pc.
rtod we are inquiring abouts Yes. sir; kept an
ACCOUNT lor time with Musgrove u Co., BANKERS
the committee. though it mas no relation to THIS
inquiry.
the National Metropolitan Bank IN Washington
and the Bank or California IN san Francisco.
q. Have you accounts with the two last named
bauksS A. ! have sent Tor them. but have not yet
@ When received you win exhibit them to the
the committee SO Tar as they pertain 70 the SUP
ject Of this inquiry and will also allow the com.
mtttee TO examine them Informally ana decide Ior
themselves what belongs to this inquiry.
z. state the nature OF your account with Mus.
So y .e Sas Of
vestments only, ana not ior speculation. 1t EN-.
braced no speculative transactions whatever; the
aggregate amount OF TRANSACTIONS involved was
$685. 991 40 covering period from April, 1872, 10
october, 1872. Neither this account nor any por.
ton or II, nor any OF the funds embraced IN it
bears any relation Whatever to the subject mat.
ter OF TINS inquiry.
The WITNESS HALTS
O. Whom did you employ to nelp you here In
procuring the subsidy = A. Now, Mr. Chairman, I
would IKE the committee TO allow me unIi Mon.
day to answer that question. 20 that may nave
gone over all these accounts and sepura ted
Items. and prepare such 4 statement as viii
enable me. II should decide 10 answer the ques.
ton, TO answer 1t not only intelngently and ac.
Will stand the cross arc or criticism from every
quarter whatever, because the committee viii
easily see that IL Is neither ior the in.
terest OF tue public nor o. tns inquiry.