, 1874-12-03
ROM
Tho Catholic Church and the
State.
Tho Vatican Dooroes in Europe and
America.
Tho Bishop Of Richmond Ola the
misunderstanding Con-
trovcrSy.


Glalstonc-NIanning Con-
troversy.
Tho Catholic Church and tlac sfntc.
ExoLzwoop, Ill, Noy. 49, 1874
10 fhs Editor or 7hs Chicago I'r1bans:
Sin. Your cdtto1nl In to-dnys TRIBUNE COM
mont.pg on my letter on tho "Cvllanu s1s'r1tnaI
Allegiance Of Catholics" though tempered With
a rsaeouablo amount Of moderation and Justice,
b still. to q cor.a,n extent rctteration Of the
charges acainps tho Catholic Church Which I
endeavorcd to diaproro. You assert that Arch"
bishod Manning clalms In his lo:tcr, thut, ac-
cosdlng to tho Vaican decroes. the civil allcganca
pf all nasions Is primarily duo to tho Pope
while tho Arohblshops letter itself, published III
nnothcr column with my lottcr, contains tho fol-
LOVING passagea:
have not changed ono lot or t.lo tho obligations md
conditions Of civil obedience TINT Catholics lenr To-
Tie potttiou Of Catholics In respect to c,v ncgance
tl,cc tito Council II precisely whas It was before
The vatican Council made no aecrcea ~ regard to
tho civil Powers nor civil allegiance, thia subject
Eeng nerer osen proposed.
To tho minds OF Catholics, these words Gro
clear, convincing, and positive md 30 confess
sc aro unable to understand how they Gnu bo go
construed as to moan what your editorial implies.
Your construction Of tho Arehbisnop'R letter ro-
minds us OF class Of porsons who pcrslstently
hold that reason a llampercd. mind onorvatod. md
Ecience dwarfed br tho Catholic Church, while
tho "DognAatfc Constitution of tho Catholic
Faith" promulgated at the Vatican Council, mud
which repreacutH tho belief OF all Cnthotics.
neither contain norinp1y ono word To Justify tho
statement that rcason is not free to Investigate
In Its own province.
rTho hoy to tho nboyo dcclarations of tho
{o tsaf
that tho popo Is tho exponent Of tho "divino or
natural law" aud that Catholic may say that
bis allegiance is limited only by divine or moral
law, when ho means that it Is limited only by de-
cisionH Of tho head Of tho Church. Tho Inn
guago used by the Arcllbishop is very flexible
aud susceptible Of different tconstructious.-ED.1 ]
Regarding the conlscation Of church property
in Italy. sou saY that it "wan n spontion mado
by Ron.an Catholics, and indorsed, supported.
and defended By tho Romun Catholic people Of
Italy," Is TIE TRIBUNE awaro TINT. Mt n rscont
election III the Cty OF Romo. only littlo over
1000 vutes woro cast. and about 5000 Of those
were Government employees? IA great victory
for tho Government "was flashed over tho wlres,
when in reality the nomaus were so utterly dis-
guBtod with tho political nanipulutioua Of Victor
Emanuel aud his craft that, aoonor than 60
remained away from the. polls altogeshle.i. l.
This was III a city Of noarly 250.0u0.
aud eeryes aa an illustration to show Tho manner
In which the "Romau Catholic people of Italy
elect Roman Catholic Parliament to oontls.
cate church property md pcrseeuto religious
pldprs.
This is q loose and reckless assertion, and
shows that the writer iB in ignorance OF tho facts
No city In Italy is more loynl to tho Government
Of Victor Emanuel than Rome. Boston is mol
moro devoted to the American Union than homo
is to Italy. There are nyo times as many Ultra
montnnes III Chicago as In nomc. Tho1o nro
great many eople in this city In favor Of ro-
storing tho popo to hls political control ovor tho
citizens Of Rome, whilo in Romo itself ct tho
very least nine-tenths Of tho voters arc bitterly
opposed to anv such restoration. If Tho voters
do not turn out in 1ull forco Mt tho ho1nau elcc-
tions, tho reason Is simply that tho Ultramoia-
taino party is so weak md insignificant in
numbers that it dare not venture to
contest tho city With tho Liberals, hence,
there being no contest, there ia no
effort made to bring out fill vote. II Mr..
Barry could have aeon the magnificent aud al-
most uniycrsal demonstration mado by tho citi-
2ens Of Rome on tho 23d Of last March, being
the twonty-Afth anniversary OF Victor Emanuel's
accession to the throne, ho would have no doubt
Of tho popular sontimont Of tho people Of TINT
city; nor II ho had beon preacat nt tho auni-
versary OF tho entrance Of tho King into nome,
When $4,000 pupils OF tue FREQ secular schools
of Rome marched to tho Cap1tolino to celebrate
Tho event and rejoice With tho vast multitude OF
.iIzeus who lhero assembled. -ED.]
You also claim that "Italy in fracr than
France, and equally GU FREQ as grcat Britain and
Germany" Then, indeed Italy onght to hasls IL,
Ito sunshine OF conteut and happiness II sAo
. Us free us Germany! bullet ns examine what
TuE TA1nuSE happened to TO published In Der
TN instead Of Chicago, copy OF it should be
rent to the Superintendent Of Police every
morning. to zee ii it was in accordance Will
Ihls would make tho publishers liaDlo to Tine
aud imprisonment. The editor Of THE TR1B.
usE would not 10 allowed to c,lticso adversely
% Stnte matters, under aiko penalties.
[The writer is thinking OF tho old preas gar.
laws OF Prussia, and haH evidently overlooked
the fact that lust April bill passed the German
Parliament repeallng the censorship md refund
ing the "cautioa money" German editors u,e
stin liable to prosecution and punishment by tht
courts BY Ane ind Imprisonment for malicious
llbels on the Emperor or Government. Th.
same Ia truo in Great Britain. But the Geimnr
pross now enjoys noary as much freedom q
discussion as tho prcss Of Eagland, and alto
sether more than the press Of France, while Iii,
press OF Italy ia quito as FREQ Us that OF droa
Britain. Even In tue United States an olitor Il
uanlo to arrest, fno, aud imprisonment for pub
GHhiug malicious libel.--ED.]
The German Government TOR f'russian, vlicl
Is tho moat proper term> IL MI hereditary ALSO
!uto monarchy. with tho Emperor, by "righ
hvine," q, tho l,ead OF stato aud Chu1ch, ant
SUPREME In NIL that concerns civil. religious
military. hnancia judicial. and educational af
fahs. ,,of coureo, he las tue aas'asanco Of |
Council Of blood-royal Princes aud officers 9
mo Departments appointed by himself; Il
nakes all tho male population OF the Empir
aoiaiera Ut the ago Of e. Every German Is tn
property OF his Government, body and soul
ttom tho cradle to tho gtavo md every partiel
81 liberty whch ho enjoys Is privilege CT sif
from tho Emperor, anu not an Ilallonablo ,igt'
planted IN mau by God.
Crhoso arc neutrality-suspicious. statements
std uttetly essoneous. Tho writer ogidentl
hna not read tho Constitution OF tho Qerma
Empire adopted in 1871, olHe ho povcr woul
havo vensnred to mako thom. That Constitu
aou Is closely modelled after tho Constitution O
Tho United stntes. Tho King OF Prussia wa
heoted Emperor OF Germany by tue Nations
Parliament. whoae members are electod by mi
cetHal suffrage, and ratlod bv tho Minis