, 1874-05-24
uau Tie Dlust Proceed to Become a
Congregational Minister
qhat Denomination. is Ready to Re-
ceive Him.
noctors Patterson and Patton on Pres
byterian Usage.


.-a,,o of his course. Among the members Of |
~. rha,s} churches and persons not con-
-...aa with any religious organization it met
-r;tb cepersl approval; but among those be- |
,...;,o to the evangelical churches who look |
.1+b disf.vor upon anything which seems to
~, conntsr to church discipline OF custom, the
t.a,;op seemed to be that his action was not
..d;c;ons, that he should either have waited
s,t;I The time for the meeting OF the Synod, or
1.f the Presbyterian Church in tho mauner
,-ovded by its rules and regulations. For the
rnrDoss Of ascertainipg the opinions OF Con-
er.r,t;oua.ists and Presbyterians upon the legal
ansst,ops which are involved in Prof. Swings
..xer.nce Of his relations with tho Presbyterian
ranrch. q reporter WAS directed to call upon Dre.
p,.terson and Goodwin, and other prominent
r1.reyren Of tho denominations specially in-
trresfcd. in order to learn their TlaWs OF the
s;;r.t,ou, Tho first person met WAS
TRoF. PATTON.
Reportcr-WhAt do you think Of Prot. Swings
la.est move?
Prof. pstton-I have no opinion.
Reporter-Is it customary for D Presbyt yterlau
church to have Congregational minister
Prof. Patton-No, it is not; but it is for
Congregational Church to haye Presbyterian
minister. ~,
Reporte1-A1e there no such instances IN the
country?
terian Church are under tho control of the Pres
hy,ery, and tho usual way is for the pulpit to DO
supplied by pastor. who is installed under IT'S
direction. But tho congregation may asA leave
of the preebytery to supply their own pulpit,
md they viii have to grant It, the church having
the right to thus supply it.
Repo1ter-In such an event would the church
be In good and regular standing5 ..,,
Prof Pstton-fes, II the PEes7ytery aotnot-
ICED the employment OF the minisl II.
panor+ar-Con1d that authorization be except
ed TOP
Prof. Patton-It could be-
Geporter-lf the Presbytery granted the re-
quest of the Fourth Church to retain ffoI.
Ewing, would you except to their action
Prof Patton-I do nos propose to interfere
vith tho relations OF the Fourth Church at ali'
The only thing III the world I am interested ID
LOW is the decision Of the Presbyte1y, and
want the Judgment OF higher court on In Q
question whether it is night or wrong.
Reporter-Nould Prof. Swing be amenab1e to
discipline by the Presbytery under present cir
Prot. PattoD-certain1y not, il be has left the
Isosbyt terian Church
Reporter-The contributions OF the Church
would be secured by the Presbyterian Boards ~
L>-etofore7
Rcporter-Yet he would not bs the acknoWl-
ecsed pastor Of the Church?
Prof. Patton-He would not be, and iB not no"
tbs pastor-only the pastor-elect- he can preach
TO them. l46 le1dL&Ol u padko1 A1A ~oG6
ti:n is affirmed by the Presbytery. When apeople
call minister, tile call is presented to the Pres,
bvtery and they act upon it, and formally install
Llsa, and then the relation OF pastor and people
il pronounced constituted !; until that Is done ne
is 10: the pastor of the church.
:seporter-Hei is practically pastor.
:ruf Patton-Yes, but it is question Of law,
AT practice is not to be considered. The body
int forms the tie must loosen it. 4 minister
ms7 be hired by Presbyterian church to preach.
rt,a pp1f then j9AV0 but
1hsn the pastoral relation is established he can
LoS leave, nor can the people get nd OF HIM
un:,l the pzesbytery dissolves the tie.
lepozter--Do you look at Prof. S"lng IS Pc
longer within the pale OF the P1esbyterlan
Ch uch? ..........
l1of patton-Wel, the nero announcement
tha: be will withdraw does not constitute = with
tra 1al. He will probably send IL in commmlea =
to, to the Presbytery, and 1t WILL be 1ot theln u
ear whether he can withdraw.
Iepo1ter-Does his saying, II will be 8 Con.
s!e ,at,onal minister" make him such I?
Irof. Patton-I think not. He would have to
10 eceiyed by tho Congregational orEamzatlpns
~: answer certain questions regarding bis be-
Lief.
DR. PATTERSON.
Tae Rev Robert ". Patterson, the father OF
the Presbyterian Church in this city, WAS next
E:poTter-what do you think of Mr- Swings
rsz.position, Doctor?
II Pat1erson-1 don't know what to think:
HI took people rather by surprise, although
III confess that I thought hum SICK OF so s
Iurth church trouble. He said something OF
TIA. nature to me not long ago. He 1s annoyed
IL sing the object OF 80 much attention under
-a:ltr unpleasant circumstances. NJ. SWING ~
anan Of peace and love. not formed for turmoil.
Thil. think is the reason why be has WITH
or1sn from the Presbyterian communion
l.spor.er-Is there anything e1treordin arr IN
the position assumed By the Professor IN re-
taiLing his connection with the Fourth Church
Is preacher while ho has announced hlnself
Colgregatonallst
II. PatterBon-I do not reco1eos precedent.
Il III. Swing we're formally acknowledged
Congregational minister, there would Pc nothing
t:sange about 1t, although the Presbytery
tal zbt, II they saw fit, object Under present
c.1crustances, am at 3 loss to define the Pro-
1e' sots position. 1t Is certainly ne" to chufcn
hi.:ory.
ieporter-Ihen the novelty consists only in
Tue fsct that Mr. Swing is not formally con-
e. 1atloaallst7
III. Patterson-That is my opinion. have
kl''wn some cases wherein Congregational mln-
l:t;1s haye preached TO Presbyterian congress-
ticas. Should Mr. SWING insist upon dong
s' didn't know that anybody would object, e.
cet, possibly Mr. Patton and his 1umediata
III poTtel1
The re1t gentleman interviewed waa a1'
E'lngs counsel
Reportez-How does the last turn Of tha "hes
Ir Noyes-I have not seen, Mr. Swing, anc
Ioald not Ike to express my Giewa until afte1
a.re hsd talk with him
KepcEter-1s it usual for Congregations
E:,s1er to preach to Presbyterian flock
u. Noyes-It is often done.
hePoTter-Nll application have to be msde te
I've p1esbyte1y for permission to employ him te
I:eech
ar. Noyes-Not necessarily. LAWS one thing
go Practice is another. 4 usage has grown nE
u allowing such ministers to proach. aud the,
- hlred b5 tho congregations from year TO & yea
= tue stated supply OF the church. The Pros
Lytsz5 has not interfered, because thare ia ne
;esson for doing so; but they have the right te
interfere ut any time, and to insist upon the re-
no7d 5d Of 4 man who preaehes false doctrine
1oas, As matter Of TACT, it has happened tina
Congregational ministers hare preached Tor
!eeRer or shorter time Is tho stated supply OF
l t1eahyrerian church.
DR. DAHTLETT.
/ ihe Rev. William Alvin Bartlett, who has re
! cent! returned from an Eastorn toar, "aa np
I i!oached by ths interviewing fond yesteraa!
i TTasetnoon. ~ st his residence On Calumet avenue
Il lila rAt7af1