National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1874-05-04


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meut of the Government for some time, bu
Ii have not seen for seserai wears.
"a, What have you been doing br severa
wears past7 A. Well, nctAing particular, sir
general matters.
O.. What general mattersl A. Whsteye
lrEme TO hand TO do; claims and other matter
of business before the Departments, such IS
could ret hold OF.
4 O. Attending to business matters before tn
lDepartmer.si A. Yes, SIR.
o. What is the character Of that business
4 "a. As an agent; whasercr might come for
ward. .s...k.
| g Are you and Mr.. Kirkland interested to
lgether in any case before. the Departments A
No, sir.
By the Chairman: 9. What Indian CLAIM
twas Il that Mr.. Kirkland hadi A. That was
matter that had forgotten to mention. h,
was Interested In movement that had mad,
en- the part Of the Government to show cans
why the Government should not pay certain
amount Of money y the Chsctaw Indians; tina
sae eiaim was pasetess. was through Mr.
hirtlands instrumedtaiity that was intro
aueed and made known 70 the Secretary Of th'
treasury.
Y. was tneI claim stopped through your In
nuences A: fes, SIR.
With secretary BOUTWELL, A. With Sec
rotary bourweil. -
1 sJOu SCs you
eoin fensaeion iof tnaLi a. never lave go
any yet;
Y. what arrangement have you Tor thatf A
Inere was an understanding that the Score
ta[y %ouiu pay lof tne lniormaton furnished
~ MAJ mere ysu 70 oe Paiui AL wa
con,ingsns upon .ne showing as 70 me justice
81 tne eialml anu tne rate was, LINK, ~ PEI
cent. nRen tne amount
Y Shs. was lne - a 70 n OF tne cisini
| Rc CldIIu hdS lOE So,oB,UOO-upWarux0 oil L03L
shs sSsn M was 70 oe simply on tn'
"1 ~ IL ySSo AZ n.
la. rran u,u 'iaI NJ naPpen 70 g. ln'e
snas ~ a. ne na1 come Win
M1,aa = H1 p. vas through nm.
III =, - az a. Ma.naniei rage, = law.
;yha, hs 80; ~ IN oa sn.ough IN ~
T.ao.,,.s A'-''N w 'ne Soeiesaiy VI sns
8. Was he of the firm os Dan, a p.os, A,
vas NC VI INC nrm Oh Dent q ragei a
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re- 80. - ~ 70 nm
less ana bsd No ner;, 0'a' snA' ~ WAS Vase
b. al a. % Th nT n,e n
.b.y 49,, thn-a,..,si ~ nau e1an -
o. And Won were ~ the oI,nion th.t a. w a.
fxo,,dnIsyt c,.,,nS INC UPln,on Una. u was
n IT, 49, Sa. ,,.a ..s1 {es, SIT.
honds ara now IT. sn; .se
Treasury made a renort emhracinr the srt te
subject. exhanstivefv IN tba NESTS 81 That
claim Va '-e i''S'i'' " 'iA'
o. DID Won nrenare tbo,1 A 1d,d M, ,,-o,or "a
LII, but furnished the data mon xbicb n ,va :
made, and il Is now before CONGRESS. n. re-.
mort was nnaIe 20 ,hs Eort,, $500 r,o,,o-as.
by direction Of the seeretary Of the Treas, rvs
Transmitted the renart of NJ Ro,tisId 20 So ny
eress about the Sth of January. 1sTs II Slows
fbe whoIe cb.rsn,a, 90 .ha , aS' ~ slV 1--WE
beginning to the end. and how IL nossiSi, for
Congress to entertain anv nronosit;on n nav
anv nronortion of the claim WITH The f.cts
stated. cannot see. "'''- WAY - :
| Nv Mr. Wilson. n pass,n, e-or, +h.t ,oo,,,
IA the matter VhicS 10 imn,s;1;atai,, bass-s ths
Committee. where were Won n send Mr Tirt-
lands bagpaCef A 7 was m raen r. rnii 7
ssv him = - :
| O Wbara uero vo, % t.o,, q, Az -o,,,
| q When was he 70 sec ,.p,,a A he ,,iS No;
specIfv anv time He wanfea ma 10 keen he
barrare until ho called for H.
| o. Have Won denied that ron vers at me
Wssbington Honse tn nav M, biIlf A No Dr.
q o 70 noho.ivs a NJ ~ e., r"' O''' - wv o.
q M. cyen 70 dayi NJ cir
q MD onvhod1 fno,1rc Of 90, g., "a
tbafj A NJ sir
o. Yon have had No conversation with s,v
-arso,, ~, tb,t x,,hsa,,S Ne =. III W." ~. "r'
Yo 0n s sSs tSers 49, va ~ al, sr
lIast night afyer The snbnpns was servsd nnoo
ron, Tbo-o 80 ~ VS. SO 'sN SPoN-
O. WHOM, di5 Yor, . sos hosoro ~. .,,h,,oo,.
was serveI nno1 So,,S DC, sn :, .Sa pe,oo
seeino the nersons With whom, sn, e,,c,soed T.,
h,,s;1ess fN'oO0 "-'-. ''o' an " az
o. ~ YOUR room whom did Won see. A No
'I o. Nobodv tbere, No s;r 1t.d besn
up to the city, and 1 got to nv room about D
o'clock.
night2 A. No, sir. spent the evening mostly
with friend from Arkansas at No. 5l0 Thir-
teenth street. and remained there and rot 10
my room think little after 0 O'Clock.
Q. Who was that person with whom Won
spent the EVENING" A. It was Mr.. Lanergan,
Of Fort Smith, Ark, - >
Q. Do you know with whom Mr.. Kirkland
has been in consultation since he has been in
this cityi A. No, Sir; no other that know of.
except Mr.. Wilcox. They have been old friends.
He called there to see him. -
@. Did you see anybody at Mr.. KirtlanPs
room! A. No, sir; no one but Mr.. Wilcox. |. i
saw him there once.
Q. What time did you see Mr.. Wilcox there.
A. Probably some ten or twelve days ago.
By the Chairman: Q. Did you see him there
last Sunday week. A. No, sir; not on SUM-
day. r..
Q. Were you there last Sunday a weeka A.
think very likely was; do not recollect.
Q. Were you there on Monday week; was It
Monday week that you saw Wilcox therea A.
think possibly; cannot reeollect exactly the
time; 1t was some ten or twelve days ago.
only saw him there once. ] called 10 see him
iMr; kirtland) very frequently; he Is my SON.
n-law.
By Mr.. Wilson: Q. Have you had any inter
est in contracts in this cityi A. Not one, sir.
@: Have Won assisted anybody in procuring
anvil <. NJ, SIR -. -
b. Directly or indirectlyi A. Not directly or
indirectly. .- ~ '.-..--
Q. Are you unable to give this committee
any idea as to where Mr.. Kirkland can be
foundl A. cannot do it, sir have no idea
where he is / do not think he is in the Dis
trict. think he must have LEFT before this.
O. Now, sir, desire that YOU shall state to
this committee, Withholding nothing, all YOU
know In regard TO Mr.. Kirtland's Whereabouts.
A. Well, | have already stated that do not
Know ANYTHING.
o. Do YOU know whether he has left this city
or notl A. / do net, sir.
o. What is your impression about that 4.
Well, sir, my impression L.
O. Now, sir, want YOU to understand dis
tinctly the question put to you, and the for m
in which 1 put It. want you to state to this
committee, without any evasion or reservation,
withholding nothing, an that YOU know In re-
gard to Mr.. Kirkland and his whereabouts A.
Well, sir, simply. 1 know iIothfna