New-York tribune., 1874-12-22
TIE TESTIMONY.

TIE TESTIMONY.
WASHINGTON, Dec. 18.-Thc Sub Committee,
consisting Of the Chairman, Mr. Beck, and Mr.. Kasson
went to the room OF Mr. Richard Il. Irwin. on H-st
where he was con6acd by illness. and where he made
the following statement before the Committee put any
questions: - should like to make preliminary state
mcn IL order purge myself Of the alleged contempt
There seemed to b, two grounds for my rest by the
Committee grounds which formed in the minds Of
the Committee the basis for the alleged contempf. Tic
first war, they had once summoned me duI ng prior
session Of Congress, and had looked for nc and could
not fad Now the first inmatiOn received that
ever had been summoned from reading Mr.
Dawes speech in tao House, tho day after 1t was
made; until read that never knew had been sum
moncd az all"
Tnc Calrnan-Tril, II was not literally true you bad
tecn sunnioned but we had tried TO ind you.
Mr.. IrwIn-I was at my residence in San Francisco
from June 1872 uutl Sept. 1873. have lived In San
Francisco since 1862 and have other place OF rest
there from jun, 1872, to September, 1873
| merely STATE that 20 slow by remaining at NV place
Of residence could have been attempting to cvldc
the process Of the Committee On Jan. 49, 1885, was
thrown out OF my carriage and seriously inured my
skull fracture d. vnd severe eoncrssOn OF the
bi, follow cd. II must have boon after that that the
proceeding. Of this Committee began. was not
allowed by my physicians To SEQ tho newspapers for
"a long time, ami I was In bed for q IuOnh, and
therefore do not know tue date ut which tins ex ina-
tul began or nythin2 about II. But do know was at
my rci ~ TIC time, brcausc l was there from
Jane, 1872, uutIl September. 1873 Then the second
ground upon when tho Commitcc was induced to be-
.yr," what could not De very easily induced to be-
licvr "iat was attempting to evaio the process Of
the Committee" the assertion OF Mr. Sage that he
had had arrested. which assertion may just well
.ay here was not true. Whether ho know IL was not
true dOnt know; bat it was not true. never
was arrested by anybJiy uutil was arrested by the
: rms under warrant OF tho House, and my
is tt shall be arrested by anybody
agdu. Then Mr.. Sage M IL sich statement III his tcs-
tiony a. c:,c least nenOcr OF the Commit
tee Mr. kis.on) to b4icvo that the Saturday upon
when was about to leave Tor ElrOpc was In Dcccmbcr
Mr.. klssOu-August.
MIR. IRwINS INTERVIEW WITH MIR. SAGE
Mr.. Irwin-In the dcDat, Mr. k.issOn said: "Thc
evidence before the Committee ID that, after he returned
irOm Europe hc was gJng back on the steamer which
WAS to sail Oh the following Saturday." Now saied
from New York for on ts 1tI Of October 1879,
with tue full knowledge Of oil tho officers Of the Pacc
Mail Steamship Company, aud returned to this coun-
try IN July. 1874 and remained here IN NcwYOrk and
sau Francisco until the 29th of August lo7i On Mon.
day, Aug. a. Is7i went tho office OF the Pacific Mali
steamship Company aud asked Mr.. Sage. In presence Of
numerous witnesses, including his Secretary Mr. john
SON. Mr. RLfus Hatch, the Managing Director, and Mr..
f. B CrOwcll. one Of my COUNSEL whether he had any
thing against me- for II ho had would like to explain IT..
tOfhrnsha any vouchers tfc Company wanted II was
long interview, only omit the Oncssentia parts
OF II. Mr. Sage SAID he had nothiug against me that
lie had never said anything against oil the state
mcnts purpUrtng to come frOm him were newspaper
rumors aud that he thought I was very foolish man
for taking any OF what read in tho newspapers
then said "Mr Sage il you wish TO fud Inc at any
time, hero NY address, II the Company wishes to see
shall be until Saturday morniug at O'Clock,
when l sail ON the O;eaulc" Mr. Sage said, "We arc
extremely busy with tho trial trip OF the City OF Peking
ana have not tlIne to look Into THIS matter.
sad l. "Tns 1. matter that involves $3C0OoO, or
teOc,COo, or s75r,OO0. or el,oNooO, or N6U,OOo'
according to your various statements; Dut
whatever the amount Is 1t seems to be Of sufficient inl-
pOrtance suspend the OF or Two Of the
officers OF the Company from the trial trip OF steamer
But II 1t should be, will wait until next week" He
said he would not put me to that trouble; that he
should then be very busy with the meeting of t1e st
Paul ulrOad Company Very WE'LL" said l, ~ VIII
wait month" Mr. Sage replied IL Is not necessary
don't want this matter stirred up any more Then
said "Mr. Sage, let como right to the point ct
once. will stay here all the OF my life II the
Puci6c Mail Steamship Company or any OF Its officers
have anything sglIust mo, but II II mas not !
do not want you to go blackguarding me 10 the
newspapers the next Monday after am gone" Well,
they did u the newspapers ana dld precisoy
what told them they would do. aud then did what
purpose Of destroying them Not for the purpose OF de-
the Company for have no Rrudge against the
stockholders. and not for the purpose OF destroying
these individually but for the purpose Of separating
them from the Pacific Mail Steamship Company, where
they abusps their trust for the purpose Of perse-
cutting aud deceivng the stocknoldera and iu the
two weeks I was In New.York SO far succeeded that
Mr.. Sage is no longer President OF the Company. and
there virtually directory. and he Is also out Of
Panama. and these two interests are now at war
TIE coMPANY's KNOWLEDGE OF Is MOVEMENTS.
Then your Committee induced by Mr.. Sage to
believe they did not know where was. lie also told
you that Mr. George Scott tho VicePresident OF the
Company had asked him to keep friendly terms with
Irwiu for the purpose Of getting out OF hun what be
came OF this money. Now will quote what Mr George
Scott said 10 Mr.. Sage In letter which Mr. Sage does
not know that have seen but l will abstain froul
quoting the decided language that Mr. Scott used
" me In Paris. Mr.. eo0tt wrote to Nr Sage: pro-