New-York tribune., 1873-01-07


any more tran they bve subscribed Now, roy poGvE
taSe hold win me believe it be put through; ana
there ia dangevu II is properly mantv road and
now A coudl done safely by corporation he wehtoh
'I am willing put In with my family sivVv, S I'm
ns il can be made a safe thing to do, and reasonaole
amount OF profit be got out of m his eel n.y. t
la me Was OF patriotic character the plan AZ lna e
struck me as hardly feasible; said did not want to 20
into IT, that it was outside my line OF ss we'll as
served 81 very much your influence as % Wen ~
your money shah want peeunlary ara, anu ence , 10
eNsIS NJ, did Won 20 inf We desire you 10
make ohis general statement rs snort as you can
RIVAL PARTIES IN THE SCHEME.
will NOT say another word that subjeot you
will remember that is matter of very great import
ace 70 very dear friend Of mine and therefore desire
10 state very fully; went INTO the Credit Mobilier;
put under Mr. Amess persuasion he persuaded
a great many of us TO go in in the same way among
others Senator Grimes and Mr., Hooper, member OF the
House that is all / know about members OF Con-
gress Mr.. Hooper is member Of Congress now and IL
is proposed that should mention his name; he went IN
at the time and the ground that did; IL
entered his mind as did not mine that there was
the Credit Mobier, we went to New-York and found
standing the of Thos c. Durant shares of stock
which had not been paid for; we called MT Durants
attention to it, and asked him what IT meant he said
EsS W. e c erbSps he did S II have forgotten
he said he held them in trust told him he must ether
pay The money Tor OF one od bm that il
be put into different form than that IT dld not
After considerable talking he transferred it to the Com
pany and 1t was placed in the name Of MI Dillon, Pres
Sent Ss Summer Ul ne o & according TO nv recollection
it for sale during that whole time II was wa,
| FIJI his promise TO give it to the men whom
he pretended to be carrying 1t for. They were not
ready as said take IL then, II carried along
very difficult to sell it, there was not much eali
for it, Mr. Ames had great faith in It, ana % ontro
and Mr. Durant was turned ont there was great GS
troversy and great deal of ilieelDg and as you may
| saw "a fQlt
Mr.. Durant his party said the Credit Mopliier i
should have another contracts the Credit Mo6ilier
had built 200 miles, and he said they should never
have another contract and they meyer b1 0D
was existing, everybody connected with the roaa
supposed that the Credit Mober would Keep o PPuId Td
1t had begun as the contracting party 10 Duila r
the road but Mr. Durant said no. bis 1eenngs "elS were
his party tried until election in the Fan
TO prevent it, we all OF US supposed h9weVeT Vd I9a ia
the interest OF all the parties concerned TO allow allow
Credit lin NOsT 10 S4 Sd sae M ss Ms SD Ms
trying to sell it to everybody especially TO those who
had influence, power and money He had a very heavy
load on his shoulders He felt that he had big enter
prise, and he soliciting men from every quarter 10
WIN SENATOR WILSON'S STOCK.
Finally he told day that he believed this stock
was going TO be worth several dollars for one that 1t
certainly would if could get contract TO build the
whole road the capital stock of the Company was then
SS75OOOO II the Company undertook TO build the road
1t would be long tne probably before they would get
enough of it 10 make any handsome pronts on ther
let Henry Wilson have some Of this and remarked
believe it is good thing and have offered nun
some his wife, you know, has got some money 70 invest
Wilson good fellow, and think it will be a nice
thing have tSd nT h tn d ii nc VI Viii ' guarantee them
against loss If he will gye me hai sne prCnts at eGv
time and give him 10 per cent on his money;
short time afterward senator Wilson came TO me ana
s6oTd saw particularly that he came to me- talk
ing about It, and he asked me what thought he sho9ld ND
do said Mr. Ames had offered to guarantee ~ IN tne
way have stated told him he could not anord 10 lose
anything but that II MI Ames % ~ NV ~ou d Ia
have any hesitation; he replied, No, shall take "
sfter not until he came to me and wanted know what
this thing meant about the McComo suit at Phllade-
fet in which there charges Of corruption, bribery
against @ Dd A%es bo Sy ec6@D s is he replied
Yes it is not necessary for me to state what was
said in regard to MN ne had come TO the t
Of cf1f that kind, Or if there was to he shadow
Sp o remaR IN the cOmpany told him did not see any
IL his his Swns o,o 70 ~ al %k oW m
bought with her money as myself know, because
otSer parties as present to Mrs Wilson on the
sion Of their silver wedding; aterward saw MT AIes
| who told me about what Wison had done toid
him did not any use IN his giving IL DacR s1i
he chose 70 give N ~ up %hS n5s this
Illustration with wilson: Said ], You say you have no
belief whatever in the charges that Mr. Ames acted i'm,
properly in any way I" he said NO that Ames offered
him the stock he knew, only TO beneht him. wilson,
stocki would you get frightened return TO Nh.
Ames If a pckpOcket should cry thief In order 70
get it hmsef" think that Is the Illustration used
| he said, al do not know byt you are right but l
do not want even breath Of suspicion against me You
know that if there Is man who Is pure III regard 70
these things It Is myself; am as poor as may be, and
always want 10 be rather than have suspicion
That my wife have made 5000 out Of transaction
wrougfully what Is that 10 me want II all taken
that have the slightest suspicion that Mr.. Ames had
any wrong intentions in any shape or mannea, for do
Q. Please get rapidly as possible; You under
stood the money was paid back to Mr. Wilson MTs.
/ A bava undraf sp aiur hear
any more about i the charge S & wac made IN II tpe S &
| and suppose 1t Was paid at the time.
| DAWES AND BOUTWELL,.
BY the Charman-How long was Mrs. Wilson the owner
Of these twenty sharesf A. Some months should think;
do not about that; do not recolect, for 1t
long time ago. and it has passed Of my mind
case tnat Of Mr.. Dawes Mr. Dawes came 10 me and
| said he had been talking with Nh Anes about
Credit MObilier; he said ne went 10 Mr. Ames
| TO buy a bond Of 1900 in Of the
Iowa Railroads; Mr.. Ames had sold several thousand
dollars worth OF them, think, to Gov Washbur9 he
Credit Mobier and would know all about u that he
Would to nves Mr. n
man. and has talked to me sometimes about his
| his colleague when he came to me he said
that he went to Mr. A%es TO buy this bond; That
have but that he could give him something better than
leT that he asked Mr. Ames If he thought it was good
thing and Mr. AInes replied that i was and that Mr.
| remarked that If he was not entirely satisfied
| with 1t he could bring it back and he would
| give the money at any time | told Mr.. Dawes
| that that was perfectly safe, OF course; be said
| he was going to take it, and he did take ii;
be told that his negnbof Larned in Pitts
field, had said him that the Credit Mobllier belonged
him, and that he going TO have lawsuit about it,
was going to oust Ames Allen and all OF he said
| me- what does il meant =" 1 told him IL meant
nothing; he did not like IL at all, did not |
| want TO be in company where there 10 |
be such a suit that according 10 that mans |
statement there would be pretty heavy litigation he
OF, and heard more about it TIL this affair
out in the papers then Mr. Dawes told me that he
at that time gave IL back to Mr. Anes and he very
glad he did Of this fuss mentioned IL TO
Mr. Ames, who told me It that is all there