New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-04-18

Washington the Committee therefore presuWes ne rem
dered some service TO the Company there A. "ei'
don't suppose am liberty 10 take any STOCK ]" tile Co
mttee's presumption; neither do know OF any service
performed by Chandler
TESTIMONY OF 7. G. ALVoRD.
Thor,as g. Alvord on being sworn, stated that Gen.
came here and through the last Witness inti
mated that he wanted conference with me; said 1
would meet HIM with pleasure. as was an old aequan
auee of his in conference there was nothing said
about Erie ma Cters whatever, except perhaps incl
dental remark concerning the Attorney Generals bin
~ ia thu Classification act everybody knew views
said 10 sckes that decidedly opposed 70 the At
torney-Generas bill; interview almost exclu-
sivev concerning political mattersthe harmony OF the
Republican party he seemed to come in behalf of the
authorities in Washington. and appeared 20 very
DESTROYS effect harmony in the Republican party he
aid not speak Of harmonzlng those there
was a hitch concerning ordinary legislation; I was
strongly of the opinion that Erie spoken of in
connection with ms proposition for harmony
told by him that money was used for the legislation ;
heard 10 a common rumor have positive knowl-
edge OF legislator receiving money, but positive,
nevertheless that money used think could into
the House now and point at least half dozen men
who received money IL may be that am possessed OF
psychological faculty through which am informed, but
however II was, I am certain that men did receive
money my experience and observation have been such
that am able TO Judge who would and who would not
receive money judge by their conduct and by their
physiognomy; l introduced the Pro Rata Freight bill,
and it reported against unanimously; have no
knowledge whether money was used on the Committee;
introduced the bill early the session. and it
ported against the close appeared before the Com
mttee several times and urged il; was told at one
time that the Committee favor Of the BILL and il
was 70 be reported.
To Mr. Carpenter-As TO the employees Of the House
such the clerks OF the Housemy opinion Of them
employed; they very active lobbyists; last year
they were more less interested don't think they
particular what they interested in ;
there were honorable exceptions however; there
% persons here every Winter VINO have no vis
IDLE means OF support except that OF looking after egs
laon Barber during the years 1870, 1871 and 1872
don't think him three times; Van Vechten had
the reputation Of being attorney and counsellor be-
fore tne Legislature.
O. II YOU were told Barber received $4,000 FOR services
here. what do you think he would do with ~ A. Well.
think nc is possessed sufficient shrewdness keep
the -ost of himself The witness then explained
one Of the operations OF the lobbyists in which II
shown that they make parties interested in bill think
that certain members are purcnasable, secure the
money to make the purchase and put it in their own
pockets leaving faint and stain on the members This
was bat one mode; there a thousand Others.
TESTIMONY OF MATTHEW HALE
Matthew Hale sworn, and testified that ne did
not know the Erie Company any money in the
Essex District for election purposes last year Ihave
heard that Jay Gould did send money here my belief is
that Judge Potte would have been Nominated II money
had not been used there.
TESTIMONY OF CHACNCEY n. DEPEW.
Chauncey NJ. Depew was sworn and testified follows:
in Albany during last session Of the legislature.
of aud was one Of the counsel for the New-York
Central Railroad Company, and also FOR tine Harlem Rail
road Company; knew ora great many measures during
the session affecting both the Central and Enc Com
panics among which were the Pro Rata Freight bill.
ana the bill 70 extend the statute OF limitations. winch
provided that all that could be brought the
United States Courts could be extended three years
there several other bills, many village and city
charters and road bills there were perhaps about
100 bills I argued before committees on 40 such
bills; I argued the Pro Rata Freight bin; 1
heard morning that this bill be reported IA
volaby; was surprised. l to be heard on It;
went al once 70 TIE Committees room; told them
wanted heard, but Of the four said he did not
think an argument could be made they appeared 10 he
dsinelined 10 hear me, but went and made partial
argument they agreed TO give hearing then
summoned by telegraph aud otherwise number Of men
interested in the railroad fTeighung business wit
nesses; then arrangements were made for another
thorough examination; took vast amount OF tesu-
mOnv and believe that Committee was honestly con-
WINGED that the argument sound one and they re-
ported unanimously against the bill
The witness questioned closely to the services
performed og Barber. but he did not know what they
were he supposed they consisted Of aboEing constantly
with members Of the Legislature; Barber opposed
to the Pro Rata Freight bill general ruor witness said
reported that Barber paid members money; never
heard butcher or say the latter had paid any
money 70 legislators butcher two weeks ago;
asked him If he had said to Owen money paid
to six Senators; he said he never said 30 to Drveni
knew what Diven going say, for he telling
every body about knew he going 70 volun teer
his testimony before gave Il; butcher said no
going 10 St. Louis did when he would be back
he said he thought would return and testify, but
were be would not until the House rescnded its
action declaring him in contempt.
The witness them at great length gave his opinion
70 railroad Legislation, which summed up 20 the
effect that 1t was al wrong and tended 70 damage rail-
way compames-indeed would destroy them If enacted
into laws
To Nj. Wight would think that $4,000 was large
sum to pay for services here, unless they terIn
mated in good results.
The Committee then adjourned. 70 meet at the Fifth
Avenue Hotel New York, Saturday morning, at 10
o'clock