New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-03-29


shownl The entries on page IS made by me ON
March II and H. Witness readsl;
Transportation and Legal Ezpess. ~
S@ M 200 Van $50
A. Van veehten........ 5000
The entries were made by on or about March H.
under the direction of the Assistant Treasurer never
knew of any legal transportation services rendered
by either OF the gentlemen named the payments were
made under the old Board.
J. D. WHITES TESTIMONY
Justin D. White Of Elizabeth N j. testited In March,
1872 was Assistant Treasurer OF the Erie Company
have seen Mr. Barbour but have no personal acquant
| ance with him. met him in Mfr. Goud's office; have
met A. Van Veehten in Mr.. GOulds office IL at ALL but do
not know that have ever met him; so far as Know
Mr. Barbour Mr. Van Vechten lawyers but never
heard Of their practcng any of the courts the Com
pany has paid them large amounts at different times for
legal services do not know Of any services rendered
by them heard that they had appeared In any
court the Erie Railroad; never heard that Mr. Tweed
ever appeared the Company in court Mr. Tweed.was
in the habit OF receiving large sums for legal SERVICES
beside the $4,000 entered the book as having been
paid on March IL 1 do not remember what
the sums we're or when paid thought the sums
paid him were large; never heard positively
that the services were rendered in Albany
except it in the papers had heard that they
were lobbying but did not know that the money was
paid for such service made the payments by order OF
j. Gould, President never received authority from
the Board for payment OF money unless some special
resolution passed there no special resolution
in these cases ordinarily Mr.. Gould handed me the
vouchers and ordered payment; Mr.. GOud's vouchers
were my authority at the time of the revolution re-
ceived $4,000 for resgnng my position; no arrange
ment or positive understanding had previously been
made that was TO receive the money week before
this Mr. Lane told that IL proposed TO pay the
retiring officers certain amounts OF money Mr.. Ramsey
,old,n hat I he a decide
course 10 pursue told him should consult only the
interests of the road on Monday morning we were
100000 in arrears was Importuned by Gould and
others not attend the meeting that day neverho
less went to the meeting and made statement Of he
condition OF the Company to the Board and showed that
100000 would have to be placed TO its credit that day to
mented roe having done duty, and was informed
that SIS coo placed at my dsposa was sun IN tbe
on the common stock, in the early part Of February.
1873; not present at the meeting or the Board
oussed; have heard that there was no rghfu ground
for declaring the dividend and that y was paid from
sold OIL Dec. / made an estimate that on March we
should be about $4,000 short on the pay o. aee
proved TO be about right the losses OF the Company
had DSeR 9 Sssy the nrf Insurance. co
panies large amount was received from Bschofshen
for the convertible bonds and the balance on the conso
dated bonds placed in their last year. the books
Of the Company will show these amounts auq Whether
prised at the dividend which paid, ana believed
mat IL was not paid out earnings of the road
and that it should not have been declared with the large
indebedpess hanging over the Company; it seemed
possible that 100000 dividends could nave Deen earned
SINCE isG5 have been suspended from my Official posi-
ton for having received $4,000 for retiring from the
was treatment which don't think deserved after IS
years service in the Erie Company; made no agree
in removing the old directors and To re-
ceive compensation for it; did assist
by MT Thompson that 900 subject my order at
the .ofce of S. L. M. Barlow was not influenced IN
edge OF Bischofsheim Co.'s having been reimbursed
the amount by them they had not been when
decide upon the proprety OF paying so large commits
sion to Bischofsheim Co. heard Mr. Archers testl
contract have heard that handling freight formerly
cost the Company more than 1t does now under MT
Archer; have heard that he makes immense profits
but do not know how large they are have no knowl
edge of the Gould settlement or OF the amount PAID over
by him the Company very few OF the securities or
other property came into my hands or appeared on the
teasurers books the rents Of the Opera House have
estimate the value Of that property at over u
beside this there were 800 shares OF snS s E
cash. and the NarraRansett Steamship Company; don't
TO be- paid 10 the NewYork Central Company ser
vices Albany has not been paid the voucher was re-
celved by me- with directions from Mr. watson not 70
Mr. Beach requested that line of examination be
taken showing the Connection between the Erie Com
paDy Atlantic and Great Western saying that 1t
believed that the latter was supported by the earn
Mr. Barlow said he was willing go into that ques
ton the Committee wished but pronounced the state
utterly without foundation. He objected to such
statements being made by counsel who appeared for
witnesses, and not for the Committee or the road
The witness continued: did not know OF services
having been rendered in Albany reference 10 the pro
rata Freight bill the Consolidation act OF any de-
mand for reimbursement by william H. Vanderbilt, or
any other person. of moneys expended IN that way.
To Mr. Beach: do not know OF any contracts between
the Erie Railway and the Atlantic and Great Western
business of the two roads Is entirely separate ana
distinct DO not knew that the claim OF ses atlantic
To Mr. Barlow: SO far as my knowledge goes there are
than between IL and any other connecting road.
ABRAHAM VAN vEcHTENs TESTIMONY.
Abraham Van Vechten next called to the stand.
II said that he desired TO make explanation
with regard to entries showing that he had received
amount of 5000 and another of 1850 from the Erie
Railway Company.
He testified: have received o great deal OF money
from the Erie Railway Company, counsel employed
by Mr. Gould, but nothing except for legitimate legal
service and given for all my residence
is IN Albany and have always lived there keep an
office, though do not practice much was ad-
mitted to the bar IN 1910; know VIM. NJ Tweed have
| had no partnerships business transactions
with him; l have never received anything
from him nor for him In connection with
him Senator, / certain; l have known
him for many years but do not recOect Of any
actions with him; know Mr.. Barbour; think be ia
President of street railroad here his residence
think, Is In Utica have seen him at Albany during the
OF theiegsature not generally at other times
think he after the interest OF certain people who
may be affected by legisation have no knowledge OF
MS appearing before any committee. or of his making
arguments before either house; II you call every
who aids in preventing or assisting legislation lobby
list, may call him lobbyist think no influences
legislation by his attendance when IT affect his in
teress and perhaps the interests OF others have
dered services In ltgaOns In which the Erie Railway
was concerned have drawn up bills for the Company
have advised with them great many matters, bot
do not tnluk that appeared In any for tbe
have consulted many matters besides legisia
ZION: do not know can mention any particular
tne have not Kept any lawyets register OF the scry