New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-11-04


may be some somewhere but II H. 90 say the least
that have not been able to discover ~ IN
prefxed nor In the Presbyterian Dr. Mlers elaborate
argument for Acknowledgements OF Prespytetisn
synod nor I'm Bishop Halls Life nor Bishop Carleon's
vindcatiOn OF his course at bort nor III Brahuts
znnce OF minute particulars. It Ia possible however.
that your friend may have some AUTHORITY ior aknH
know Sir am not bound 10 prove a negative. But
eau, least show 80 much nacouaey IN me m
o your friend as make II very doubtful whether ne
took il from any trustworthy His language I'M
plies as clearly possible that 1t was az the time OF tn
and Declared there was no place heaven ~ bort
Now. SIR, the fact is that Dr. HalPs sermon was nSe
10Th OF November, 1913, and there was no communion
administered then. And his complimentary reference
to tho place or the Synod not made In that sermon
hui in his farewell speech the nth Of the following
January tsee Brandt HIST. Reform, fol-, Vol H.
There ia on the records OF the synod reference TO
Communion. TO the following effect; Bllthazlr Lydius
minister OF the Church at bort, acquainted the synod
that the Holy Sacrament vas about TO- be administered
Ia ns church, aud he and his people desired tue syhoa
10 meet with them. similar invitation was gwen Dy
The minister OF WaoOn Church. but no action what
ever appears to have been taken 3e Brandt as above
u I32j And the only thing that looks like fellowship at
The same table was the decidedly unspritua feast given
at the close of tine proceedings
When the whole Synod was plent fully treated with
meat ana drink noble dessert OF all sorts of sweet
meats and their ears entertained with agreeable music
for which purpose several musicians were seut
for ont of the adjacent towns and women who sung be-
hind the curtain. - The Remonstrans say was
that the fathers OF tne HJnOu WdSutu away WITH
Rhenish wine and chased away with music the remorse
that probably had been oeeasioned by doprylng 50
many ministers of their cures and OF their Dread.
Aud they say yet more, Slr whleh nave no wish 10
quote. -.
ence would thank You 70 furnish proof Of this other
most important assertion (made IN your yndlcaton by
venant, aud Ward received the elements at the hands
of the Presbyterian Moderator, Bogerman, DR.. Hail
me sermon ana iStradneS % t ~
providing You with precedent aud implying That the
English Church recOgnzed me validity OF PIesDyterln
orders Permit me 10 say SIR that tnesc subjects have
been unnecessarily ragged IN. challenged one stale
ment that you had made ana dii not expect that IN
place OF proving you or your friend wonld 80 ABOUT
TO prove other things But you desire 10 investigate
or to the question respecting validity. &c,
would take the liberty OF directing your attention TO
YOX EccesiP book which would not have alluded to
II IL had not been named as mine by istoricus wat
have u on validity Is sail there. Tao gues ion
that has been carefully and thoroughly considered III
a gOod-sized volume need not be opened up anew in
But, Sir, as Hstoricus considers that the fact OF
Church gntares taking part III the discussions At the
synod of bort shows the position of the Church of En-
gland" beg leave to correct him and 10 remind yon
their presence there thau 1t had to do with Dean smy
recent visit 10 New York King James sent them, and
because he desired TO have Conrad NOrsIs condemned
he selected persons who held Calyinlstic doctrines
But still" you may say. their presence and pLrtci-
patton in the business OF at assembly show that they
recognized tlOSc whO sat VIVA them as Nldy Ordalhtl
Minister'S" by no means, Sir. for there were many
members Of that synod VINO made no preten's 10 o.
ministers III Tue presence OF tie hlgIsh dlNnes IN
voved the recognition OF the Orders OF BOgerman ana
Gomarus. It changed the lay DELEGATES into cergymsn!
In one sense, sir, am Wiling To acknowedte
that "the position OF the church OF England
was shown in that Synod. You are probably
aware, Sir, that the approval OF the Bcgic Confession
was part OF the programme and that that confession
contains declaration Of ministerial parity Did the
English dyines give their assent 10 this article Ihe
late Rev DR.. Miller OF Princeton said they did and the
Rev. Tnos. Powell IA Methodist minister who wrote
against "ApOstOcal Succession, said they dld; bnt
these gentlemen not careful 10 ascertain the truth
their statements In place ofthe English dynes su b.
scrbng those articles the Synod itself did not act
them Out OF regard for tho weknOwn principles Of the
English Church 10 was determined 70 omit from the
reading Of that Confession the articles touching church
government ana the moderator expressly stated the
doctrndl articles alone were to he considered Was not
such "a compromise enough TO satisfy any church,
mani Most persons would think so, but allow
me TO show y0u, Sir, how true, faithful
Bishop OF the Church and his associates acted under
such circumstances. Fearing that in the future there
would be Miller Powell Hisorcu5 TO misrop-
resent their action ana feeling that II would not De Just
manly 10 conceal their principles, they determined 70
protest against the articles that were dropped from
The Confession Bishop Carleton, in the OF his
brethren made the protest. lie claimed that EpiscO-
pacy the diyney instituted form OF Church govern
ment and the only that had existed until recently
nm Christendom And he expressed the opinion that the
trouble they suffering in Holland was e"u.ed ~
the want OF Episcopal supervision. How was ms re-
ceived Sri Did they cry ont against hun as bgoted
Hi III Churchmani Did they even declare their con
scientiOus preference for their own poyf No. SIR! TO
the euOgy the Episcopal mode the President replied
"My Lord, we are not 50 happy"
They replied that they Lad great respect end vau for the good
they wished with all Their hearts that the same order were Likewise set
observed there but that they dust not hops for such thing In
the preseat situation Of affairs"
says Bishop Carleton:
This the that .hy gave me and this think sufficiently
des them shows that they not fond Of popular 3ntai IN snI
eoAssllop "i'Ho 1 !, - 3,,nt ~ sgp@, ps1 o. " wy
So rhen sir the position OF English Church"
shown that OCCASION aud the plea of necessity was
advanced to excuse the defective organization OF the
Dutch Churches.
sorcus, if by happy stroke of humcr. styles the
SYNOD of bort Evangelical Alliance" Very evan
geIical indeed Synod which condemned and drove
out EpsoOpus and many others for the sake Of meta
physical distinctions in the doctrine OF predestnation
81, t.lp M nulV ad
but turned them out OF their yngs and gave them over
TO cruel persecution which caused tue noble Barne-
veldt To be the scaOd, and the iustrious Hugo
GrOtus To DO condemned 70 perpetual imprisonment;
which would nave driven out ls IL did drive the Re-
monstrant) John Wesley and all his followers own
Bishop White, and DR.. Milnor and DR.. Sparrow, aud
thousands Of ministers who live rgEteOusy aud preach
your defender Is acquainted with the history OF that
synod, whose President tBogermanl displayed such
own party His rage against tie Arminians great
that he "cOud neither compose his countenance nor
historians having the soul OF an inqusitOr" But
he was not alone; the mailman Gomarus, "a Balcan-
synod like the late Vatican Council, was merely body
convened to give formal sanction 10 predetermined
sentence. | am not member Of the Evangelical ALI
ance nor believer In the possibility Of uniting Chris
tans by the method 1t has adopted but have too much
respect for the spirit 1t has displayed aud for
godly that IN its ranks TO insult II by applying
its name TO the synod OF bort.
authority that you and Hstorieus have furnished,
proceed TO examine the statement L3nnd IN your eX
only in l6Gl or 1907 Episcopal Ordination was de-
cared necessary in Church OF England. This really
has as little to do with the question between as
subject just disposed Of Butas Is considered by many
be sort OF Justification for the assertion You have At
tempted substantiate, will give IL the benefit OF dis
cussion. The common saving Is that change was in
augurated by the Act Of Uniformity and that the Pre-
the Ordnal altered 10 correspond with the
law DIR. GOOde said this alteration In the charac
ter offhe Preface WAS made by the words! "or hath
had formerly Episcopal Conservation or Ordination
which were then added for the first time.
On the morality Of making such representations
pfu Ftr la fNgft "a
this, that though those words were added then there
was the least particle OF change effected in the doc
trne or principle by their being put where they now
stand OF course, Right Rev Sir, you know that words
asserting precisely the principle had always stood
In the Ordna Preface since the hand of Cranmer put
them there In 1919. III you should happen be una
ware OF the fact, good to look at Feetwoods
works (which Hstoricus has quoted page 55g, or Card
wells Two Books OF Common Prayer Compared or