New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-01-27

youi A. No. Sir and he paid me back as have stated
tSf9, with interest.
O. Where was that repayment made 10 youi A.
think the interest amounted to only q s. on IT,
O. Then II was soon after he received the 1921 A.
Yes my memory is SO defective to dates that should
prefer that you should call Gen. Logan
@ You think 1t was within a few monthsi A. Yes
Sir.
q What was the occasion Of resembling the contract
A. do not know what in his mind about 1t at all.
@ He paid you back and that was the end Of It'll A.
Yes, Sir.
@ When he paid back the 1929 1t understood
the 10 shares OF stock remained yours A. Yes never
paid him anything but the 1929.
@ So that Mr. Logan really made nothing out Of the
transaction A. Nothing at all all he got from me he
paid back as stated he neither the better the
worse for IT, except in the name of having 1929.
O. That has not affected him until now A. Not that
know Of.
O. That is all there is Of this transaction with Mr..
Logani A. That is all.
"THEY CAME TO NE GENERALLY"
BY Mr.. Merrick-What first brought you TO Mr..
Logan, him you, in connection with this
toni A. think they TO me generally as
stated originally, received this stock fulfill prior
gagements; great many people, after they thought
there going to be profit in the enterprise, wanted
TO get stock promised great many parties that If
could get the stock for them would do in the latter
part OF October 7here happened be stock in
the hands of Dr. Durant who had not paid for it, which
was returned TO the Company Of that stock was
assigned $50 shares TO enable TO fulfill engagements
had previously made found had made so many that
could begin fulfill them gave to parties
with whom had previously made engagements you
heard the statement Of Mr.. Wilson Of Iowa that he
wanted $780, and could not give him but 81 900 Mr..
Painter had the promise of Dr. Durant that should
give him 5000 and only him 5000; Mr.. McComb
wanted that should give Senator Bayard 5000 and,I
civ 4 fed Inor
than he got, and so all through the list.
O. Right there in regard TO these engagements; l be-
eve of the parties vino have appeared here
have stated the negotiations occurring not earlier
than December 1851 A. guess Mr.. ScOhed said that
he had talked about 1t year before
@ That is just what want to inquire about, whether
any of these gentlemen and if which OF them, made
prior engagement for any OF this stock whether you
under obligations to OF these members In CON
sequence conversations you had had with them prior
to that session Of Congress which commenced December
1851 A must again that as to remembering dates,
cannot do it. As have before stated in my testimony,
had always been trying TO get people interested In the
Union Pacific Railroad and Credit Mobilier. from the
time interest in it myself went 80 far in
considerable number Of instances TO guarantee the
parties against loss and per cent profit did this TO
Gen. Grimes to Mr.. Gilmour OF Boston, to Mr. Alley,
and offered to do it for Mr.. Hooper and for various
other parties my anxiety to get into the enterprise
cannot remember sthese conversations which occurred
fveior six years ago.
PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS.
O. This stock put into hands to enable you to
fulfill engagements you had made before that time now
what want get at is how many Of these en in Con
gress who received this stock, had made any engage
mens and had had any previous conversations with you
on the subjecti A. My TO that is simply this
did not know before October that could any stock
had talked with great many parties, promising them
that would get them stock If could
O. How early was it that 1t began to be understood
that this valuable stock and likely to pay large
profit A. think not until about October: not until
this contract was made which was assigned trustees
we had not been able sell bonds previous ITO that
O. Can you state whether you had hadfany converse
ton with Mr. Colfax reference to his taking OF
that stock prior the session which commenced in 1867
A. cannot positively.
O. Can you in respect Senator wilson A. think
did not have any he had no money to invest until that
money Of his wife's alluded 10.
O How In regard to Senator Patterson A. Senator
Patterson says he talked with me on the subject long ago
when we were on excursion or expedition to the
northeastern frontier during the war III 1864 have no
recollection OF 1t.
O. Not about the stock Of this Company A. SO he
says.
q There was then no connection between the Company
and the Railroad Company A do not know anything
about II did not become interested in the Credit
Mobier until August, 1865
O. You remember such thingi A. No, Sir.
O. DO you remember whether you had any converse
tion prior 10 December 1867 with Mr. Bingham OF OHIO
A. think did; thnk talked Win MN aDou' ~ INC
Spring before.
O. You think you had with Mr. sconeld; how was 1t
with Mr.. Garneldl A. cannot remember that did
O. Did YOU with Mr. Kelley A. cannot say; 1t is
not fixed in my mind whether did or not
TKLLcTALE RECEIPTS
TO cfat af had
papers reference to this transaction between you ana
senator Patterson will you be good enough TO produce
i Senator Patterson testified that he never received
any dividend from the stock and that he had no money
from me OH account of 1T here is receipt which pre-
sent to this Committee. THE paper referred to was
nlaoed In evidence, and is as folowsJ
WASHINGTON, June %, 1865
Reoeived OF Cakes Ames 81, 800 account OF divi-
dend received by him as trustee III STOCK heq ior ny
account o. w.
O. Did you see him sign this paperi A. Yes; he gave
u To me at the time the receipt and he signed IT.
tho receipt is in my writing and the signature in his
q And made at the time OF the datef A. Yes, Sir;
aso hand to the Committee another paper. lPaper
placed in evidence as fonowsJ:
seven hundred aud ftyseven dollars 2oo In CASH on
account OF G. NJ stock and there Is % Due on the Trans
and 2'o0o LII 'ne in0''N' 81. W. PATTERSON"
O. Was that signed by him In your presence ana gwen
to youi A. Yes. -
n And AZ the date 1t bears A. presume so.
q The paper itself is in your own haDdwritingf A.
Yes, Sir AN,
O. This was the paper given at the time OF the settle
,oent made between you and him. of which you spoke
in your testimony A. Yes; that 1850 Is the cheek
gave him. or the sergeantat Arms Tor wncn gave e
the receipt that is the final settlement
HOW SENATOR PATTERSON REFRESHED Mr. AhEss
MEMORY.
O. Have you still another paperi A. have letter
~, pat,erson wrote me in relation 10 this matter he