The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-04-04
THE ERIE INVESTIGATION.
Further Development Of the Mys-
Z teries or Legislation. ~
Tsstimony Of Joseph Il. Ramsey, AID. Barlow
ess and Abraham Van Vechtea.

ana Abraham van vechlen. 'w
>sn.'ss n.iiah a.atf ALBANY. April q 1878
The Assembly Erie Investigating Committee met
In the Court OF Appeals room this afternoon, ct
four O'Clock - ss#
~ af y0sBPH n. RAMsRY's TESTIMONY.
Joseph H. Ramsey, examined BY Mr.. Stickneys testt
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ssssrs about akf e. A va. %'S r.s..., g s
saS s s.ss.s:
ss s
tho d as: know 81 any other
sm %Hss me
ne use g onsr money PAID g other
sS Hss
n. .; o. counss sppssrSs for the
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81 Sss os s. s 3 . saw ~ ysS
To MI 0.Ips n,er1in Erie matters was aotiss my
e. IN Van ns
sss .
4. isss.ss as %fa1 va. & 'i Sssss s.s S%
corruption being prsctse,a bu. from reports .nd
pSysS before hs sommsies; q counsel s
s BARLOW IN saS
him employ ssssaace and named d Mr. Hale and IT.
TO Mr.. Ba6cock-smiih was not employed, In conse-
Of his osns % %s e hS Is
% S our as s Sus n9w q Bar
Fss ..s william s.. ~ ysSss,S
HOUSE did g. know q his using money; ''' ''
"A. ID. Barbour sworn and examined by Mr. Stick
sy " w tsscd rsSss IN been here
Mhssysr have and also The Interests Of my friends
The have
engaged on matters before the cant say that
~Ss YOU S
10 NJ wTshs@n ' NY sense o. the term am not on
ssss1n ,ssSs am engaged to meps.r.
h bsD1s 81 h e
Ss uc s 1G e ae ss
Ing mones 70 members d Ees.s!S9s; know WI have
DO NOT SAY HAvE MOE PAID HONEY ron Any FUR
have bank account in UTICA and in the Union National
not member Of any firm never 70 my kncwledss hsys
snSs i:
ss ssis s'ss, @
s &
amount from Fisk but hays recoectien Of receiving
ins SeScSs but not rocosct recsisns any @
att time; have signed vouchers without reosving
49, HAVE NO nrco.lHcros o. nrcsrvlsc $4,000
Ts,S vi :SS,sS
we Combine our infaencs DON'T know that suthorized
e s
be rsssiysd he ION y Arm. is5l, . me; tGas
lawyer ordins TO your constTaction could
sendered any ega S U se e nas n
ton; DO not recollcet what aid DO to be paid 100
Rrls ,ss Bill Know Ina. Ssrs S r.
peal as but don't rseGes When n these ss were
the Mechanics and Farmers ssas: what legal
for he a not ,s
& y: * "a
IL also tS
AT Mr. Which lie
THEY WE'RE sATIricroRY TO MR. GOULD
% nc o. would rot taken from other
n u hem have large
John Dueher-sums as large as ss99D and Sso9 no.
amount received nom butcher; think rsCeiysd sums
%sssy @ at s oSs
aSss'y
A.
Of f Police il was about the ist May about the time
wSs Inc rs Freight
looking G aer 'f his Interests Tie
Sy myself van SssHtsn
vecStsn bad paid member any money
~ WY e e I::;ss
ssn -, snf ssss Fin ssIss
a, 4: Ewes:
ssRds 81 during other
% sss for ss
sG' 81 what
call dSn know ss Van o ych bncs C
that nom had him sd members any Of Of The the re-
esn mSt racoee thing to hnk
would consider y serious matter for member Of the
unae prs such 81 crcumstaneess " 0"''
MT 9srbour-That Is . question don't think am
M rsmain who sat behind wtness said he thought
Barbour said he would not answer the question un-
Mr. wright Of the committees inquired IL Mr.. Tremain
iSd any Ky as counsel for the wit
:ss y spa cs. asp %
eonntn Bowling Green Savings Bank up to the time 4
ss;s ,ss: s1ss
with any member Of the Legislature 1872 can't
swear positively DID not purchase any property Of
member Of the Legislature Of 18Th;
SOME nKMBBR,
S0Ps d ss s &c T sss s;s
they belonged, lent any 4 was small sum regard
o. dOO considerable have known Butcher many
years nrst saw him at the Delavan House, In January
lS1i don't KNOW VINO was present; cant say
here or in New York when he paid me The 3so0o
don't rocoilect whether Il in bills checks may
have been In bs think deposited OF here and
part In Utica before paid the note cannot state more
have stated hsye no agents Or clerks here a.
s M butcher you paid part Of that money TO members
Wtness-I will swear positively have no recollection
Of telling him do not recQllect stating 70 him any
else what bad done for that e50000 don't think
received any other like amount during the session Of
1917: don't know II he told who he represented un
derstood was acting for him he never told me ne was
acting for any one else knew he had BEEN connected
with the New York Central and Harlem Railroad as
director; was In the Erie ONCE about the time