New-York tribune., 1873-04-12
in his own handwriting; do not know what the 5000

was for.
vouchers in the name OF VIM. NJ Tweed were shown
witness AZ follows One dated January IS, 1869, for
s2 600 and one dated May 49, 1869 for Soo The latter
Is accompanied by the following note
p..A sA Plea. send sbee 100 close up A oTssdns
accounts 70 date. Your truly, WI NJ iNhhp
Jaa FISK. jL
Another voucher was dated April 1869, for $4,000
The witness said: can give the Committee no infor-
nation as what these payments were for Mr. Tweed
was one Of the executive committee ana director In
the Erie Company and 1t involved In htigations
by which heavy expenses incurred; don't know
how actively he was engaged; cannot state any legal
service be rendered to the Company In any suit; do
not remember that there were any measures In the
Legislature during and 1870 In which we were inter-
ested the fact is have been engaged In too many
transactions OF magnitude TO remember details do not
remember when the Classification act repealed; Mr.
Barber was not employed especially for his services with
the Legislature; considered him general agent
don't remember any one instance In which Mr.. Tweed
rendered the Company legal service or incurred
any legal expenses we sometimes paid claims as iega
expenses which not for legal services strictly the
legal india rubber account 1t included
money paid TO lawyers and moneys recovered by claim
ants in suits do not know that such money was paid
to Mr.. Tweed.
INVESTMENTS BEFORE ELECTION.
To Mr.. Carpenter do not remember any special in
stance in which Mr. Barber has looked over the field
when candidates uufrendly to interests were com
ing up for Office I very poor hand to remember
names IL is one of my failings; countenances make
n speciality OF; cannot remember any particular In
stance in which Mr. Barber employed outside OF the
City OF Albany; do not remember any specific duty
called upon him 70 do In Albany; 1t was his general
duty TO look after interests in the Legislature and
I'm the Assembly and Senatorial Districts gave gen.
eral instructions to Mr.. Fisk. and he carried out
the details; Mr.. Barber, so far as Know,
performed his duties satisfactorily; human nature IS
human nature the world over and s better to work for
our friends than enemies know work for mine;
we expected every empoy6 Of the road along the line TO
keep an eye out for its interests don't remember how
much money 1 sent out to aid In elect
ing friendly men; know pald out
good DEAL but don't remember how much;
I remember instance In which sent several thou
sand dollars to Orange and Sullivan Counties to carry
the election for the Republicans and we carried them
have always thought it better spend money in this
way than afterward; We get better results; don't
know how much 1 sent, but 1t was what they told me
was necessary the election; contributed large
part Of 1t through Senator Madden; contributed some
money Clinton County and In nearly every Senatorial
district; beset on all sides for contributions;
idea of the aggregate amount PAID only look
at results and the contest is banish all recol
lections Of the items; we had four States
to look after -NewYork, New-Jersey, Penn
sylyania, and ohio we had delicate ques-
tions coming up In all Of them which had to be looked
after Ihaye always thought this class of investments
profitable the Company sometimes we have caughta
Tartar in Democratic district was Democrat, In
Republican district Republican, and In doubt
full district was doubtful; 1 have got things
so mixed that / hardly know what my own poi
itics are; don't know whether am Democrat or a
Republican, but have always been an Erie mani l
could not name the men whom have assisted even II
should see list OF the members OF the Legislature;
cannot name those who employed by the Company
for extra legal service other than Mr.. Barber there
were a great many OF them; vouchers were sometimes
signed by me as individual and some OF them by me
a, a person with broad shoulders which carried the
sins shortcomings and the virtues perhaps, OF many
others.