New-York tribune., 1873-01-18

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araton OF the tripartite agreement.
In answer TO the question whether any members OF
Congress were stockholders in the Credit Mober the
witness answered that there and that the books
would show among whom dividends were distributed.
BY the CharmanDid the Credit Mobilier the Union
Pacific Railroad, any person connected Herewith
furnish any money with view Of securing the election
Of any member or members OF Congressi A. Only one
case, which was individual natter he paid $4,000
S. 200 each tme by check directly to Mr.. Harlan his
private clerk. Mr.. Crane, attended TO the NATTER Mr.
Crane was at that me he thought Assistant Secretary
and Treasurer 10 the Credit Mobilier the checks were
drawn on bank in EewYork but he did not know what
bank he had accounts in several banks there the con-
trbution of the money voluntary his part pre-
vous TO this Harlanthad asked him 10 contribute some
thing and he did contribute he had large interests in
Iowa. he gave the money personal friend Of Harlan
BY the Chairman-Was 1t TO aid him in being United
States Senator A. II was 10 aid in the State election
wanted TO have Senator Harlan elected did not tell
him the motive Of my contribution had large inter-
ost In Iowa they rather crowding me, by which
had county bonds, to the payment OF
which OF the candidates for the Legislature were
opposed ! was satisfied that Harlan should win.
Witness was interrogated length to the payment
of the general expenses Of the Company by him. for
which he gave vouchers Some OF the money was paid
to the COUNSEL j. B. Stewart of Washington got 100000
and Alexander Hay s75OO0 100000. They were en-
plOyed in making arrangements for the Union Pacic
Railroad Company with the Leavenworth and Pawnee
Railroad Company and settling other disputed matters
they were not authorized TO dollar to influence
legislation directly indirectly; witness gave the
money Stewart and Hay TO over TO Pearson VINO
was peeuniarily interested in the Leavenworth and
Pawnee Railroad and they witness vouchers OF re-
ceipts he presumed that Stewart and Hay could ex
plain better than he could.
WHAT AMIs WANTED WITH THE ACCOUNTS
tha wifi gaI Ameg
asked him about the items Of account; witness said
Ames: What do you want with the accountsf they
have been examined by the Board previously appointed
and passed upon officially and paid !" Ames replied:
want to whether any money has been paid to men,
bers Of Congress" witness asked: Why do you want
to know whether any money has been paid TO members
Of Congress to which Ames replied: 81 want them to
pay it back If they do not 20 straight"
By Mr.. Swan-What did he mean by not going
straighti A. l suppose the remark Of Mr.. Ames was
jocuarly made.
The Chairman asked the witness whet her he had any
knowledge, information, belief that the two checks
sent to Senator Harlan embraced in Of the
counts Of the organization to which witness replied that
the matter was brought before and never rejected
by the Committee ii was known by them that he had
given these checks he asked question concerning
them and replied that it his private matter;
he accounted for the moneys expended through him by
rendering vouchers, receipts, or drafts Witness was
closely interrogated to the expenditure OF MONEY by
Stewart and Hay. lie did not believe one dollar was
spent 10 influence secure legislation.
By Mr.. shelabarger-Did they satisfy you that all
their expenditures legitimate a. thought so
but have been credulous sometimes.
O. Did they present such papers vouchers TO show
that the money was legitmatey expended and not TO
influence legislation A. 1 satisfied at that time
that the expenditure was legitimate.
BY Mr.. Shellabarger-Did you ever come TO Washing
ton with Mr James Brooks in order to have him ap-
pointed Government Director OF the Union Pacific
Railroad A. did not.
BY the Chairman-Do you know Onero j. Poppleton Of
Nebraska A. do.
for member Of Congress against the present member
Mr. Tafre A. do not Poppleton was in the employ
Of the Union Pacific Railroad Company between 1854
and 1862 looking after its land.
In the further examination, the witness said the
Credit Mober gave Oakes Ames contract for building
23 miles Of road az cost 10 the railroad company OF
between $1,000 and s9OOOOOO than the actual
cost of that portion OF the road which had been built
paid for and accepted by the Government.
BY the Charman-Was it not the fact that the differ.
ence between the of the 23S miles Of road and the
amount for which let under the Oakes Ames
tract constituted the assets out of which the dividends
were declared to stockholders of Credit Mobier A.
was.
BY Mr.. Hoar-If that money had not been thus di-
vided would have been the property Of the Union
Pacific Railroad Company and the trustees took the
property the Union Pacific Railroad had on hand, and
DIVIDED it among the stockholders of the Credit Mo-
bnlerl A. Such the effect.
VIA THE CONTRACT WAS GIVEN TO AMEs.
The witness closely examined to all the facts in
relation to contracts and transfers On being asked why
the Union Pacific Railroad Company could not construct
the road without giving the contract to oakes Ames he
said the Company had not means enough TO do so. A
contract could not be made with Oakes Ames without
giving him the benefit OF the portion OF the road already
constructed and paid for by the Railroad Company The
stockholders Of both the Union Pacific Railroad Com
pany and the Credit Mobilier were the same, with
few exceptions, these representing not more than OO
or 5000 Of stock of the Union Pacific Railroad Company
BY Mr.. Hoar-Suppose the road was built economi-
cay and without unusual haste and the capital stock
had been subscribed for and paid in cash. would not the
amount of the Government loan Of S27OO00o and the
capital stock of $ 100000 amounting to s640OOOO0, have
built and equipped the road, without reference TO land
grantsi A. Hardly. at the time the work com
menced but might be at present with the facilities
afforded, for, think, sS5ooO.0OO
O. What would be the present value OF such n prop
erty including the land grants and prospective increase
OF businessi A. could not say, do not know what
the road is earning
O. Dc you know Of any person holding the office OF
q Government director in the Union Pacific Railroad
since its original establishment who has been interested
directly or indirectly far you know or have been
informed In the Credit Mobier, in any contract with
the roadf A. 1 know Of other gentleman than
James Brooks am a subscriber to the stock of the
Wyoming Coal Company.
BY the Chairman-The contract with this company
and the Union Pacific Railroad Company entered
into July, 1861 A. The Wyoming Company was organ
lied In the subsequent October under law OF the State
of Nebraska the directors Oliver Ames, President
OF the Union Pacific Railroad Company c. o. Godfrey,
and Thomas wadde; the capital is 100000; the Rail-
road Company virtually owns the Coal Com
pany and have had all the benefits from il;