New-York tribune., 1873-01-23

- w.. .,. 70 know IL whether this transaction
ntaon ,ou and him had any real sgnifosnce at ALL
whether it was more shamf A. think the amount of
q was that ~ the lswsuitiwh McComb should amount
IN ANYTHING he would not own the credit Mobiier stock
,hot be oould cali IL mine OF his as no pleased
D. NJ Merr,ck-Do understand you to mean TO con-
- h aaa that this OF sale for five cents. what
ove, a. WAS was a mere nominal transaction, and that
n consdered yourself really as still holding the stock
o. b,s behalfi A. I guess the receipt gave him
that he was to hold the stock for at the time the
money was paid
Was 1t understood between you that in the suit
bould provo disastrous you would be the holder Of that
tor hint A. That was my impression.
o. IL was therefore device to avoid his being
sponsbe for your lawsuits A. think it was mixed up
with these malicious charges OF bribery which are made
in the suit OF McComb which are the origin OF this
scandal.
Q. Do you mean that Mr.. Allison demurred at tho
pecuniary responsibility which might be involved in It,
or some charge of mproprietyi A. Some charge OF i'm
prOpriey suppose do not know his Ideas any further
than that.
Q. He sent check New-YOrk with the certificate
was there any such check senti Did you receive
check from him A. Yes Sir but that in another
matter.
Q. What was thati A. An operation went into with
him in 1865 in Iowa. in the purchase OF the stock and
bonds OF a railroad in Iowa.
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actioni A. 1t on account Of that transaction.
O. Had it any reference this money paid to him as
dividendi A. Ndssir.
O. Have Won apy recollection or belief that that was
ever repaid to you in ary formi A. No, Sir.
The following memoranGs from which witness testified
In regard to Mr. Allison was ere placed in evidence:
April s1DTo 10 shares NJ of Am.rO, .ost. $1,000
JGHs is. iSsa-TO check. $500.
Total, sl,6f7.
1868 April sBr dividend Of P bond. 80 per $780, and
Apnl sa-sy s.,h Of him. s17L ,,.sr
June l7-By dividend received for bis scoonnt'sbO0
INNOCENCE OF MEssRs. coNKLIsG, FOWLER. BAYARD,
AND BLAINE.
O. think you stated before IN your testimony that
neither Mr. Conkling Mr.. Fowler, Mr. Bayard,
whose names have been mentioned in connection with
this business holders of this stock A Not to
my knowledge; had nothing TO do with 1t.
By Mr. Merrick-In your letter of the 2Oth January,
1863 to Mr.. McComb you say, have placed some in
New-York or have agreed TO :" what was that you
placed IN New-Yorki A. let Mr.. Ham have some.
@. The Secretary OF the Credit Mobiieri A. Yes, Sir
O. Is Chat all you referred TOT A That is all did
O. You testified before in relation TO the matter be-
tween you and Speaker Blaine i heard his state
ment, did youi A. Yes, Sir
O. Do you wish to make any further statement in
reference the transaction between you and HINT A.
No. Sir.
O. Did he ever pay you anythngi A. No, Sir.
@. You never paid him anythingf a ulo hot' hls
name is not my book at all.
O. Then whatever was the talk between you in refer
ence to this transaction he made any inyestmentf
A. No, Sir.
O. And never derived any advantage from the con-
versaon or IN connection with Credit Mobiier stock in
any wayi A No, Sir; only the advantage OF being
abused.
afa Tpa
O Mr. Dawes OF Massachusetts, you say, took some
stock and settled for it, If understand you right he
paid you q, 200. A. Yes, Sir.
O. Have you some memoranda of that's A Ii was
about the same time OF the rest Of them.
O. Have you a memorandum OF iti A. No, Sir, I have
not had quite an account with Mr.. Dawes he bought
some bonds Of me- recoec he paid me $4,000 or 5000
at one time; invested 1880 in the Iowa Falls aud
Sioux City Road for him.
O. Did you any than 81 900 from him
to invest in Credit Mobier stocks A Not in Credit Mo
bilier stock; he had ten shares Of that
O. Did you pay him any diyidendsi A. think dd
O. Have you some memorandum account of thatf A.
paid that 5000 dividend in money paid him in part:
he was owing me paid MIN about $500 in settlement
O. The rest was applied 10 other dealings be-
tween you and hint A. Yes, Sir.
O. Can you tell us when it that this matter was
adjusted and ended between you and hr Dawesf A II
was in December, 1868.
O. He already received his money from you by your
accounting for the balance of the $500 dividend did he
receive anything mOrei A. he received the bond dvi-
dend, rsuppose, like the rest of them
O. Were the bonds delivered to hint A. I do not
recollect probably sold them or delivered them over.
l do not know which.
O. What became Of the stock dividend OF 10 sharesl A.
He did not take it, be got frightened about Mr. Larned
and the Duff Green suit
O. That was to get the charter awayi a. Yes, Sir
settled with him on the 9th Of December, 1868.
O. III understand you IN this conversation or settle
mentn so far as the Credit Mober stock concerned
he paid back dividends receiving 10 cent interest
his money do agree that that was the basis OF
the settlement A. That is my impression
O. see on this memorandum which you have here
$500 is charged to Mr.. Dawes-that is dividendi A
That is dividend.
@. 1t says less s2OOi A. That he owed me on some
other transaction.
O. Did Mr.. Dawes receive any more on this invest
except to get his money back and 10 per cent in
terest on it'll A. think mott had memorandum, but
destroyed the memorandum kept this piece OF paper
on which there note which be me In the settle
ment in 1868.
@ That settlement embraced other things besides ths
A. Yes, Sir.
O. And there was balance due you the settlement.
for which he gave you his note 7 A Yes, Sir.
@. Please read the note. A. 1t reads:
WASHINGTON Dec. 1s6s.-For value received, prom
10 pay Oakes Ames order s263 90 on demand with
interest. Signed, ID. L. DAWES.
@. Had you any detailed memoranda OF the transac-
ton between you and Mr.. Dawesi A. had, but gave
IL to him when made the settlement.
O. You believe that, far as your dealings are con-
cerned with Mr. Dawes. you settled, giving him 10 per
cent interest upon investment and nothing more
A. Yes, Bis.
@. Have you any memoranda by which you can give
US the when you received this thousand toars OF
Mr Dawesi A. think, In the memorandum which 1
gave him. he paid about $500 on the 1lth of January
and the balance the 14th or 18th OF the same
month some four or five days later.
O. Was that the 81 900 you got you think In January
1893 and not all in one sunni A. No. Sir; In two