New-York tribune., 1873-01-07

that time yet Mr.. Ames took with the STOCK all the
past dividends well as those made In the future.
@. Can you state in round numbers about what
amount of dividend had been declared up to that
timef A. l think about 260 per cent; Mr.. Ames
states that he would not sell his own although Mr.
Grimes would sell his at $50 and this was about the
time he claims to have sold this stock at par
@. Was this first conversation prior to the date OF
these letters A. Oh yes.
WHAT AMEs DID WITH THE STOCK
@. Now state as nearly as you can precisely the
conversation between You and Mr.. Ames in its de-
tails. A. That would be pretty hard thing to do;
I do not know that could give it in the precise
| words
Q. State the substance of the conversation as
nearly as possible. A. Mr.. Ames had shown me
list of of members of Congress prior to this,
which made a copy of near as could recollect;
he stated to me how he had apportioned the stock.
Q. Have you that list herei A. have not; 1t
was simply rough memorandum, and have not II
with me; l think have it among my papers.
| @. Did You make the memorandum from what Mr.
Ames sadf A. | did not copy it from anything;
put it down from his personal remarks; prior to the
time OF receiving these letters in conversation we
had in New-York he had occasion to give me the
names of the members Of Congress to whom he had
| given this stock and took memorandum of these
names from memory Immediately after that; that Is
the last of which speak; the list have produced
here was read to me by Mr.. Ames from memoran-
dum-book he had; could not get the initials of the
names as they read; after he had read them he
| put the memorandum book in his pocket
SOME NAMES THAT WERE NOT on THE LIST.
| Q.'All the time you made this memorandum from
what he had stated to you, what was the substance
of the statement he madei A. His statement was
| In hat lat yh he n
] made memorandum he included Gen. Bayards
name; when Mr.. Ames told me that he was going to
give the stock he had to members of Congress some
days after the paper was signed, asked him who he
going to give it to- and he gave me the names of
| some who are on this paper and of some who are
not; he said to me AT that time remember that he
| had given stock to Mr. Wilson Of Massachusetts,
Bingham Of Ohio, Speaker COlfax, and some others;
| l remember Mr. BInghams name from his being here
the trial Of Mrs SuTratt and of hslbeing proml-
| nent gentleman; / also remembered Mr.. Wilson
md the Speaker from the prominent posi-
tions they held; / had some little doubt
about Mr.. Ames doing what he said he
was going to do, and / said to him that
if he was going to give stock to these Members OF
Congress would like him to give some to Gen.
Bayard of Delaware, and to Gen. Fowler of Tennes-
see also James +. Wilson of Iowa and VIM. b.
|
known Mr.. Bayard for many years knew he was
incorruptbe in anything pertaining to money; l
knew that if he had given him any stock 1 should
ascertain just the conditions on which he had been
getting it called Mr. Bayards attention to it sub
sequently he did not understand it and wrote me for
an explanation which letter received about Jan. IA,
1863 and Immediately sent copy of it to Mr.. Ames;
| Mr. Bayard stated in his letter that he could not
receive the stock if there was anything in connec-
tion with it that would come in conflict with his
duty had told him that Mr.. AInes had some stock
to sell and stated that he to pay for 1T If he got
it, sent this letter stated to Mr.. Ames but In
Mr. Amess subsequent letter he still apportoned to
| Delaware; that the reason which induced me
to be particular about names you notice he excluded
Delaware in the list have given you, though in the
letter he brings in one for Delaware; asked him
whether in putting down to Delaware in this letter
he meant that he had given any to Mr.. Bayard; he
said "No / gave that to Senator ConBling OF New
York; that he gave 81 900 of the stock to him.
@. Do understand that you have now given the
whole of this first conversationi A. am en-
deayorng to give you the first conversation after
| the meeting in New-York, where these names were
read out but this conversation is somewhat inter-
mingled with the others because kept no record OF
dates.
| O. Have you stated all that You remember which
took place in this first conversation you had with
| Mr. Ames A. am not positive as to the date be-
cause as you understand, had so many converse
tions with Mr.. Ames talked with him on this
| subject several times, and it was because OF Mr.
Ames's incorrect statements that wanted to have
something in writing; it was for that reason,
mainly, that this correspondence occurred.
MORE PARTICULARS OF THE MEMORANDUM
| O. Now state little more fully and particularly
| the transaction when you made the memorandum on
this letter. A. made it early in February; do not
remember the date; it was very soon after re-
ceived the letter. Mr.. Ames happened to be In New
York and had his letter with me.
| O. You produced the letter to him. A. Yes, Sir.
| produced the letter to him; that is the time he
made the explanation about Mr.. Conkling; he had
previously talked about giving some OF the stock to
New-York, to which l objected, and that is the
reason said in my letter "None to New-York;'
did not know Mr. Conkling and was opposed to his
having any of the stock.
O. But you made this memorandum from some
| thing which Mr.. Ames read therei A. Yes, Sir; he
| had list of names on a memorandum inside his
pocket-book which he took out and read FROM
@. Did you see the list 7 A. saw list of names
in his pocketbook written in ink; he sat across the
| table from me- and saw the list as see now what
| he is writing.
| Q. And rs he read them you wrote them DOWN.
A. Yes Sir; and that is the reason why only wrote
the last name in each case, because wanted to FOL
low him as rapidly as he read
@. This puts down Blaine of Maine at 8; do you
intend that to be $1,000 A. Yes, Sir, $1,000; that
is par value for the stock-thirty shares.
@. This memorandum puts down Wilson, Mass, at
@ is that S2OO0f A. Yes, Sir, $4,000, or 20 shares
HOW THE STOCK WAS "PLACED."
Q. Did he state to you whether this stock had
reayibeen transferred to these meni A. Oh, no. on
the contrary he stated it held by him as their