The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-09-12
Continuation of the Investigation
by the Royal Commission.
A WITNESS MEMORY REFRESHED.
McMullen and Memorandum Book Badly
Wanted Old McMullen on the Stand
Confused Testimony-The Gov
eminent on Its Defence.

tmOny. He had testified that he never knew any
thing about the Pacific Railway. He has since
remembered two conversations he held with Sir
George Cartier on the subject in June, in which
Cartier said that the Pacific Railway must be put
through; that he would never consent to Amer-
cans having anything TO do with it,; that If the
Canadian companies united the enterprise
would be successlul the witness came
with others as deputation to Sir
George rsspect1ng tne Pacific Railway;
and Northern Colonization Road; Sir George was
glad to meet them as their representative, but
he could answer no questions as Minister; he
tSlr George) refused to risk his election in con-
necton with any railroad enterprise; he said he
had done his best for the country and would con-
test the election on its own merits; the deputa.
ton had two interviews with Sir George previous
to the general election; on both occasions he ex-
pressed himself strongly against allowing American
influence In Canadian railways; he had private
interview with Cartier on the day previous to the
election, when he tCartierl again expressed him
sell as determined to run his election on his own
merits and would not seek support by committing
himself to any railroad policy
MIR. J. o. BREAvBIR
was next examined; he was member OF the Leg
islative Council OF Quebec knew nothing about
the negotiations between Sir Hugh and McMullen,
o Sir Hugh and the government; was u director
in the Canadian Pacific Company; was nominated
by the Dominion governments knew nothing about
ceived any money from Sir Hugh his agents:
did lot know OF any money received in his neigh
bOrhOOd from Sir Hugh during the elections; did
not know why he was summoned as witness. In
reply to Sir John the witness stated that he was
nominated to the directorship 10y Langevin to rep.
resent the Quebec interest against the Montreal
interest; has been in public lie seventeen years.
Daniel McMulen was next called and sworn. He
stated that he was dun OF hearing and his memory
slightly impaired was
A METHODIST CLERGYMAN;
lived at Plcton, and was father of George W. McMu-
hnn N N narS a Of ma ttarg in
neCtOn with the Pacific Railway; had so much con-
ndence in his sons that he never bothered about
their business; George was always remarkable for
keeping his affairs to himself; the only cOmmnica
lion made to witness by George was the day when
government had decided to exclude the American
element from the Pacific Railway; George
also tod him means were in process by
which he and Americans who employed him
would be reimbursed Tor OUTLAWS they had made;
the only reason he knew why he was summoned
rs witness was the statement made by Huntington
on the night that he (Huntingt0n) thought McMu-
len might absent himself from inquiry, and he
wished to secure some member OF the family who
could tell OF Georges whereabouts; George was
now IN Chicago: had been there Tor three weeks;
was at Pictou, before going TO Chicago, during the
examination OF Sheriff Leblanc.
Judge Ramsay stated he wished to appear on
behalf OF Sir Hugh Allan.
Judge Day thought IL was not desirable that each
witness who might be implicated could appear by
counsel.
Jude Gowan was OF a similar opinion.
George w. McMullen was called, but failed to ap-
pear.
ID. M'MULLEN
was then called and sworn-He lived in Chicago
and was banker In partnership with his brother !;
saw tue original agreement between Americans
and Sir Hugh respecting the Pacific Railway: saw
several OF Sir Hugh's letters; they we're dated from
the fall OF 1871 up to the ali OF 1872; did not know
Sir Hugh's handwriting; part of the letters were
addressed to G. w. Smith and part to G. W. Nc
Mullen the letters were not in his brothers. posses
sion now his brother told him the letters were IN
package in the hands OF Mr.. Starnes: all the m-
pOrtant ones were; never the parcel said to be
given to starnes remembered seeing sir Hugh's
first letter, also one giving rough sketch OF how
much money Sir Hugh had expended one giving
statement
and another stating the decision OF the govern
ment to exclude the American element from the
company The first letter was directed to c. w.
Smith.
Sir John here stated that he wished it under
stood that the government did not consider them
selves in any way affected by the evidence con-
corning sir Hugh's negotiations with Americans.
The witness was shown several letters from
Starnes package, but could not identity Them
The first one was not In the package.
The witness went on to state that the letter con.
tanning the statement OF money expenditures was
received from Sir Hugh in February. 1872.
The witness here Identified several letters, among
them one relating to money expenditures. H. was
lieve the letters closing the negotiations were put
IN the package, as they were not oil sufficient i'm
portance.
Judge Gowan-why not OF importancep
Wltness-Not OF Importance as affecting the ne
gotiations.
Judge Gowan-As they closed the correspondence
they must have been important.
The witness here got confused, and could give no
reason why these two letters were not considered
important He did not believe they were Starnes'
package.
LAUGHTER IN COURT
The witness was here shown the two letters, and
admitted they were the TWO referred to. This ad-
mission created laughter in the Court
>, In answer to question the xitoss3 stated that
he knew the contents OF the CONT act between the
New York parties. his brother and Sir Hugh
respecting the formation oil the Pacific Railway
company. though the contract was made IN the
mol M a "a m n
before leaving for Canada; went to see Sir Hugh
after his return from England: was away about
slx weeks; returned with the contract signed by
Sir Hugh Allan among the American names were
General Cass A. Ogden. Governor smith, OF Ner-
Express Company the contract was now in the
vault In their office In Chicago; did not see 1t put
there; saw II about year ago with his brother at
Plctou had not seen 1t since.
Cross-questiOned by sir John-Was familiar with
and Interested in all the Pacific Railway negotia-
G. M. smith and Mr.. hurlbut were also interested
saw the Allan letters published IN the Toronto
SCooe did not know how they got there did not
KNOW now much MS brother cot Tor selling the cor
Tesponcence; afterwards recoected his brother
GOT $1,000; did not know VINO paid il /; did not
Know MS brother showed the correspondence to
any one; recolected his brother telling him wit
ness shat he George W. had shown the CORE.
spondence 10 Sir John: did not know his brother
YOU an auuitloha $4,000; he forfeited $1,000, as
II was agreed that If the spondence contained
IN Starne's pocket were put into sir Huph's hands
or published before certain time
AAULLEN WAS TO FORFEIT NINETEEN THOUSAND
DOLLAns
did not know how his brother was to be reim-
bursed for this loss; the $4,000 paid ann for the
Allan correspondence were divide among witness
Hurlburt and smith after his brother had taken nis
Bhare did not know his brother had shown tue cor
respondeDce TO Senator Foster kept no copies of
letters no letter book and no account Of money i'm
connection with Paciic Railway matters.
The witness was much confused during the cross
examination D., Sir Jonn, and contradcted him.
self frequently
The Commission adjourned until noon tomor-
row. The attendance Oh spectators to-day was
small. The government was represented by Sir
John A. Mcdonald and Hons. Langeyln and Aikens.
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