The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-08-27

they never existed but as this city seems to be in
capable OF governing itself without giving undue
power and prominence to some men or set OF men,
who In the long run come to believe they own the
city themselves, 1t Is natural to expect that some
speculation should be INDUCED In as to the proba-
bic succession OF the
LATE LEADERS OF rAMMANY.
Few are prepared to believe that the old re0t,ne
win be restored under other names and with more
reputable certificates OF character. The least it is
thought by that class Of people who have the deep
est interest in the welfare of New York, tnat may
happen is the restoration in very subordinate
positions Of old hangers-on OF Tammany; but that
the municipal government Is at all likely to pass
over body and SOUL to the same HANDS that manipu-
HERALD reporter met Mr. John Kelly yester.
day, Immediately alter he had parted company with
the palld and accomplished gentleman known as
STYLE or MR.. KELLY.
Mr.. Kelly Is stout averaged size gentleman, an
6y n WIZ an Wsnt nninw way and
modest without aliectation. he is some hfty
years OF age, sprnkled with gray in hair and whis.
persuasive, taiker, apparently unreserved in
his opinions. advancing them with no pre-
to toMa1as display pd w short a
sensible man, to whom one might go for counsel in
an emergency accessible TO all and In every point
VI UcudVlOI u CItultbutc CAtlACAs
THE INTERVIEW.
The REPORTER asked-Mr Kelly, Is there fOunda-
ton for the statement that you, IN con,uEc.io1
with other meMSG1r5s 9. tho TamMany Society, had
a conference on Saturday night with the leaders Of
the Apollo Hall party
New York yesterday Monday, and It is therefore
plain couldn't have been at the conference here
on Saturday.
looking to combination Of the Apollo and Tam
many Hall forces for the fight in November
MI. Manufacturing but rumor. You see have
been some time away ana whatever have learned
IN my absence comes TO ale in the shape OF rum0r.
+d REPongERmaas tae Tammany party any inten-
Mr.. KELLY-I think Tammany Ia quite strong
enough to sweep the field this fall independent OF
may listen, but we tss't 90 to them. am twenty
five years in politics and only on q lew occasions
have seen the democratic party OF this city wholly
tions which for one purpose or another refused to
work In the regular traces, but they never had
Hall may have some local strength; that is, can
diaate OF that party and candidate Of Tammany
may be pretty
IN ward and the Apollo man might carry the cleo
ton, but then, taking The whole field, the Tammany
ascendant. But, mind you, It will not be in the the
ascendant, nor will Apollo Hall nor any other
organization, unless this most essential thing ID
Observed-the putting into nomination Of the
REPoRTER-who would you call the proper men
mi. kELLY-Meu VI CUdTdCLeT, WHO nave uaQ no
aliation with the Ring and no hand in its frauds.
The people look for this, and II we disappont
them our organization no matter how strong
Last al Ay W. might have s succeeded but
the national issues swamped US. Thousands Of
overlooked the local issues and let the municipal
contest go by default. see no reason why we
should be defeated this time IL as said before we
nominate the proper men, We are not hard up
for good representatives, and II there be
WISDOM II 9yR CoUEGILs.
bought and sola; and '' What Wv sondeS ui'
on the bench were convicted OF accepting brides,
ana score OF charge wee brought aud proved
against men who, pretending to represent the
the egis Of Tammany Hall brought infinite disgrace
on u.s. In former days such men would have been
execrated and driven either into jail or out OF de-
cent society. Now all this must be changed. No
one man or clique Of men must rule and use the
Tammany organization for his own benefit cut or NE
away from the parent stem because the few lead
ers Of the ring, as they are called insisted on ex.
the good odAces. The fact is this Whole thing has
been question as TO who should have the ofices.
81 %nS Se hey
you would have heard very little OF Apollo Hall.
REPORTER-Do you suppose the Apollo Han men
Mf 90 think that the best representa- ,s
ives OF the Apollo Hall democracy Will slice IN
with US Of their own voliti0n. We want
49, NO QQNpRQMIsEs
with them, looking 10 the distribution OF an once
here to this Apollo Hall man, and an office there to
another. That won't do. The people could see
through that arrangement very quickly. We want
cohesive power OF public plumber" Apollo Hail.
like the many other outside organizations That
have come into and gone out OF being within the
last twenty years. will find that Its real interest
lies In cordial cooperation with Tammany Any.
how, Tammany Is master OF the situation and viii
remain 80 II the right men are nominated; If not,
it may suffer defeat There has been no confer
ence. 80 far as know, nor do we want any, but we
nave no fear Of the result, as for as Tammany Is
concerned with the pr0vs0 Of which have already
told you.