New-York tribune., 1873-01-17

little excitement in the House. ss there always ia when
anything up passed and you understand 10 10
that under such crcuns the best thns W 40 u 70
stop debate and pass che bill, If there Is anything
righteous the bill think thai was abont thc way tue
| thing done.
| no KNOWLEDGE or oTHsR sHAREH0H,ERs IN c0Sektss'
( @ Have You any knowledge of any dealing oy BIZ
Ames with other person. with oher fnemDcrs OF
Congress relating to the Credit Mobier stockf n MY
recollection IL that stated that during the contnuae
Of my contract with Mr. Ames had no information rom
any shat can recoleot that he had any deabDg
with aBy human being in Congress about the stock en
cept nfysof; had no knowledge Of any Otter member
os Congress being concerned in be Credit Mebier ex-
cept Mr. Hooper; stnce this noise made In tB papers
about tho affair, have heard from Mr. Ames that he
had dealings with otbr members, all this Information
has come 20 September last and since congress
met; Thad communication with bim until Congress
met.
BY Mr.. McCrsryI understand that Nr. Ames md t"sd
ysu to tale the s,ger Mining stocki A. Yes do nos
wish to cast any rcproach Mr.. Ames about this bss
ness; think he wanted 10 do kind sess said th1t
after consultation aud advice with Mr.. snes in whOu7p
had confidence both 60 his integrity and hnan-
cial Judgment did invest in that stock had greater
confidence in 10 from the fact that he PRESIDENT Of
the Company.
BY Mr.. Ames-f did uot sdvise to take IT, did :
A. I cannot say whether you did verbally or not the
fact that you has embarked in Il yourself aud were
President OF the Company considered ver strong sd
vice.
BY Mr.. NcCrary-WheH he ofersd You shis Credit
Mobier stock mad you the Ippressson THAT ~ wSs 10
enable you sp your loss the silver mining
operatons2 A 1 cannot say that will not say that
Mr.. Ames did IL with shat think he sad II Fas
not right that shouSose the money hadSinvusted In
that but did not hold Mr. Anies responsible at al Tor
the loss In the silver mining operations
O. Was not however one OF the objects you hsd Ia
goino IN hia Credit
for the loss sustained A | say that formed
any opinion OF that sort in my mtd he wtsld Oe "A
very bold man who. three OF four yearz aitervsrd
would undertake recall the secret operations OF his
own mind think IL vevy natural nehecti1n,
having lost $1,000 aud the interest that, If he had an
opportunity which could afford OF making up that
loss he had better about il stli will Bdt swear
that was OF reasoning in any mind three
or four years ago.
BY Mr. Nblack-Tt is suggested that this euterp Use oi
yours in the mining stock originated f1pm Nr. Alley
gather than from Mr. Ames , A.-As to that Id) not
know recoeot generally that Mr. Alley was very
active about it, to how 1t orgnatedT do not know
Mr Ames boarded at the house with nae, and had the
unlimited confidence in hs integrity and imam sai
Judgment; asked him about it and he thought it wa
wise thing for TO do. and conGiderng that lac "a
President OF the Company, and was taking stock hr m-
self, thought 1t was safe for me to DO H.
BY the Chairman-You do not consider yourself no "
as having any interest In the Credit Mobilierl A.
have sworn to the Committee sndl repeatit that iron
the time OF the settlement and of the taking
this obligation had no interest at all In the Credt Mo-
bilier never held received certificate ot stock.
by of the contract net entitled 70 any
closed the whole matter. ana it became merely a,
money balance represented by written script which
he gave me.
BY Mr. McCrary-You regarded the act OF 1860 nos
in the interest Of the Pacific Railroad Corapsnies, A.
certainly did, and it very clear, its fs that it
DatIra rAg
may just well add here from information had at the
time without intending to reflect upon any tribunals
about the interests OF the United States without some
legislation could not have been protected az all,
the that the state Courts would intervene to
prevent the companies from organizing. .-..,.....
by Mr.. Merrck-Did the AtorneyGenera raj institute |
proceeding under the l4th section or that resolution
A 1ot know is reasonable to presume that what
the law required To be done done think IL Is
violent presumption. however, IN this ease
BY the Chairman And that maxim even does not hold
good when yeu know the thing was not dOnei A. do
not think 10 was done.
TESTIMONY CONGRESSMAN KELLY,
The Hon. VIM. ID. Kelly testified that be agreed with
Mr. Ames to take Credit Mobier stock % an in
yestment only but the matter dropped, and he
never received any dividends profits from the Credit
Mobilier: had Credit Mobier stock; had
borrowed money from Mr. Ames or two occasions,
but had had offer from Mr. Ames Of Credit No
bilier stock influence legislation; he borrowed 1900
from Mr. Ames at time, but there was nothing in
connection with that which referred to the Credit Mob
Her the witness continued: Now as 10 whether knew
Pacific Railroad unable TO do not know that
did but say this: if had known the fact Lshould
not have felt any hesitation any doubt as to my right
or any doubt the proprety OF my making that pur
chase and could further say that after what NJ Ames
aid to me thai II had the ability Of drawing check
for 81 900 would perhaps have made more definite IN
auirythau made when coming 10 me on such terms; |
but have doubt would have drawn my check ana
taken the certificate for that sOOo OF stock might
have embarrassed by the charges that have since
been made but reviewing the whole field canrot see
member OF Congress was precuded from MAKING
a purchase of that stock more than he would be
from buying flock of sheep the value OF which would
he Affected bp the tariff wool wooden goods.