The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-04-12

made, and he believed. where the name Will
liam b. Tweed appears u was the true slg-
ever, give no Information Of what they were
for; these payments were made, beiieve, WINE
was involved in very heavy litigations, and Mr..
Tweed, being one of the leading directors ana
member 81 the executive committee ! nav no
pany; do not know that he ever
APPEARED COURT
TO represent the Erie Railway Company; as TO ap.
pearng in any legal suit don't know what SER
vices he rendered the company; during the years
1850 1870 ana 1871 matters were before the Legs-
iature concerning the Erie Railway Company;
don't know that there were attempts TO repeal the
Classification bin; remember something about
rcfunding to receivers OF corporations Mr..
Barber found useful in looking after legislative
ne tp was that geneTai agent
service besides this one and Ican't tell remember
OF any one legal service in which Mr.. Tweed was
that account; all this was out OF my department;
l have no books or papers that would show any
Railway; If these payments were made for any
other service than that specified should think the
BOOKS KS, woaq snow IL the legal account was
might have large claims for damages and
nave settled them up, and THESE might go
orally paid to the lawyers, and not to the claim
ants; | don't know that Mr.. Tweed ever con-
Quoted such suits; did not make the account a n
india rubber accounts don't remember ever pay
ing to Mr.. Tweed on account Of legal services
sa sha anS Re copd specify particular
instances, and said that about dates and names he
had very poor memory. He
DID NOT KNOW PARTICULAR PLACES
where this was DONE did not think we had ever
given Mr.. Barber any specific outside duty; his
legislation generally; Mr.. Barber could go about
and thrust unfriendly men aside IN the Senatorial
without any specific Instructions; had great con.
fdence in Mr. Barber; never permitted myself to
his Ss
man along the line would leok cut for the com.
pany's interest; gave great deal Of money dur
ing the years 1868, 1862 1870, 1871, to carry cleo
tions; sent some money to Sullivan and Orange
counties to get the republican ticket elected, and
succeeded; ! think it is better TO pay money in
that way than after
Mr.. Carpenter-You mean to say that you get
better results.
Mr.. Gould-Decidedly; then sent several thou
sand aslars; when l made the agreement the
nominations had not been made; think the
money was given through Senator Madden;
guess contributed in pretty nearly all the cleo
tons on the line OF the read; it is q custom to
SO often that 1t appeared custom; generally
found 1t cost me more than originally expected;
New Jersey-I have helped men get elected: in all
these our road has had very delicate questions to
settle.
1T WAS CUSTOM
Tor men when nominated to apply to me for help;
thought that money thus invested made very pay
ing investment; in republican district was
strong republican; in democratic districts was
strong democrat in doubtful districts was donbt-
u; got so mixed up in these matters that really
don't know whether aa a democrat or a republi-
can; was an Erie railroad man every time; /
don't want TO state names OF men have helped,
because don't think it Is safe gratitude has such
contrary effects; measure men as find them, and
/ nave good means Of information; have en-
plOyed good many legal men In the State: Jay
Gould bears two characters; one was Jay Gould
individually. and the other was the one who bears
a great many peoples sins on his broad shoulders;
] favored the Pro Rata bill; l thought it would
hold
THE CENTRAL PEOPLE IN CHECK;
General Diven came in in the March reformation;
did not enter into any arrangement with w. ii.
Vanderbilt in relation to anything that was COM
pleted during the subsequent administration
having anything to do with the Pro Rata bill.
The committee adjourned, to meet at one O'Clock
to-day, to continue the examination OF Mr.. Gould.
Mr.. Gould, subsequent to the examination stated
to the HERALD reporter that he had had no inten-
ton OF evading examination before the committee
He said :-"I have no intention of going to Europe
and couldn't do it unless took two three rail-
roads and n dozen steambOats with me.3