New-York tribune., 1873-04-14
THE OLD DIRECTORYs POLICY.
- ORTHER DISCLOSURES BY JAY GoULD-PAYMENTs
FOR ELECTION EXPENSES.

NARTHER DISCLOSURES BY JAY GOULD-PA1MENlo
FOR ELECTION EXPENSES.
The Erie Investigating Committee of the
Assembly held another session at the Fifth Avenue
Uotel, on Saturday. Messrs. Wight, Carpenter, and
Crary Of the Committee present, Mr Wright occu
pying tho chair aud Mr.. Carpenter conducting the in
rsstigaton until the arrival of Mr. Sdckney. The
Summation of Jay Gould resumed He recolleoted
Iat money had been paid TO elections and nom
atiOns 5000 being the usual amount required OF tho
rie Railway Company. Clinton County and the Liy-
gston and steuben districts mentioned
Z Dns where money had been sent. Those whom he as
tied TO elect usually friendly but not always.
10 details Of these forgotten, but he
id If the Committee could refresh his memory by Incl
.-}nts be might be able to recOect more. Mr.. Gould
aas also questioned about the vouchers for legal
penses, but beyond identifying his signature he know
nothing During his examination he took occasion TO
Tsy that he considered Senator Madden Of the
urest men in the state. At the close OF his examina-
f;on.Ithe Committee adjourned to meet at Albany, to-
s4orr0w. at $50 D. IN.
- TESTIMONY OF JAY GOULD.
1Ih Gould 1ested IN reply to Mr.. Carpenter: cai,
not recoeet any particular in which Ifr Barber served
The Enc Company in securing the election of members Of
abe Assembly or Senate favorable TO the interests Of the
Company recOect sending s. 900 to Clinton County,
but do not remember who the candidate the par
fcuar time; il is very likely that have sent specific
sums TO the Livingston and steuben Districts reeol-
lect sending 5000 TO the Republican Committee OF the
feuben District TO the nomination of Senator
Humphrey, the predecessor OF Senator Wood but it was
.oi use, as Senator Wood nominated have al
gays understood that the candidate who could "plank
up" the most money would the nomination; /
often assisted candidates with money; the money was
given 70 the Republican Committee, to be used in a
proper manner; visited Albany in 1872 and met j. ".
Baker, the father of Senator Baker at the Delavan
Mouse by appointment do not recOect talking with
hf~ 10 Nv RaEar nf
she Rensselaer, and Saratoga Railroad; was at Albany
on the COmpanys business at one time opposed
etc tho Attorney Generals bill, but afterward
was IN favor Of it; Mr.. Baker was a bus
mesa friend Of the Eric Road, and sometimes
made use OF business friends TO keep us ut
Albany do not think Washington County friends
had taken any decided stand in Eric matters before
March H. Mr.. Smith was a member Of tho Railread
Committee, but what Mr.. Smiths opinion was with re-
sard TO NY plan OF action at Albany cannot now re-
Insmber Dor any conversation had with Mr.. Baker
the subject do not know Mr. Smith personally, and
never counted chickens before they were haehed
could reckon Smith friendly; never had, to my
knowledge any conversation with Mr.. Baker on the Pro
Rata Freight bi far as remember, the principal
conversation being business matters was only once
No Albany and had business matters there 70 attend to-
being much fatigued with duties in New
York, ! went 10 Albany principally for rest;
j cannot give a correct estimate OF the aggregate
amount contributed yearly 10 uoIiiOVo
throughout the State 10 secure the nomination and cleo
ton Of persons friendly to us; it was large amounts
have made large contributions Assemblymen and Sen
etOrs personally, when happened 10 know them; \
pont remember their names just now was NOT IN tne
habit of reimbursing members after their election when
they had expensive time nave done So DuI u was
might as wen try to remember how many carloads OF
freight carried the road daily as 70 remember
tons men came from all parts OF this aud other states
soliciting money; the aggregate amount must nave Deeh
friendly, but some turned out unfrendlY; lald out
line OF conduct Tor myself and IN giving these sums
considered was doing my duty.
To Mr.. Stiekney have no recollection Of these
tweed; win not saw that Mr. Whites statement, that
directed the payment OF these amounts Is not true;
Dave no recollection OF what was paid for; have
FOR these amounts in the cash drawer and not TO enter
SsSk Von@bp but have no recollection Of the voucher
dor tsOOC don't reconect whether or not was IN the
habit OF approving vouchers IN TINS way dont know
TEho NJ L. Rodgers is; the words legal expenses in
Ehe 5oO voucher are in the handwTing On 9L either DC MI
services he rendered; don't know how much money IN
Al was paid to Mr. Tweed NIT m id sf of What th
money was paid for
PAYMENTS TO TWEED.
have no recollection OF making any inquiries relative
90 the legal services rendered how the expenses were
incurred ;the voucher made out In my nane dated Aug
a. 1870 for 100000; the one dated 1870, for $5OOO ant
he dated Sept. 10 1870, for $4,000 all for egal eA
penses, believe are IN my handwriting, ana wer we
kgned by have no recollection OF the dets' %
suppose the money went for legal expenses II tne EFT
company sued me for the amounts, II tben woulu "
tme enough 70 provide for that contingency cannSS
tate for what purpose the money was pad 10 MI
and believe Mr. Tweed could best answer tnat hmSell
II have recollection OF paying MI. nwee9 an
hDOneyf the vouchers only showed that 4 al
proved OF the vouchers, but not lnSI pst' pu
the money; Mr.. Tweed never gave any stat'
rent Of details TO show what the money was paid io
kand never asked hun for Ihaye no recollection
paying Tweed money for legal expenses have rePei
,bim loans; do not remember any conversation VII
3Ar Tweed on Legislative matters while he was senator
Mr.. CarpeDter-eenator Madden IN his testimony e.
Eained the two amounts received 81 900 and $4,000
Wished the Committee 70 ask you whether ever pal
llm any money Other than these two amOuntsf
Mr.. Gould-NO, never did; Ihe had performed lare
services for the Erie Company and never would take
dollar services. consider Senator Made
roRe Of the purest meD IN the State.