New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-01-25

that had been, during al my lne palntlu OF
defe ndsnt in court of JUSTICE" what do in
gard 10 that statement A. don't know whether you
s,d that or not; say you might have said you
certainly received the $500; did MT you receive it
Mr.. Colfax-I did not. Do you say that the mem
oranda from which you testified day before yesterday,
in regard 10 your transaction with me- exact copy
OF your private memorandum bOokf A. think 30.
Q Do youIknow that you that memorandum book
when YOU went home A. Yes.
Q. And you refreshed your memory from II A. did
Q. Referring TO the memorandum-That is all the
entry there is in regard to the which
said you trustee for A. do not know that;
said was trustee for you; it is the amount OF
stock sold you and the money received from yon and
the money paid you. that is the whole of it. .,
Q. You told me, understood, that was to pay par
and interest What the rate of interests A. Seven
per cent. r' -.".-r ..I
q. From what timei A. From July l, 1857.
O And paid you that rate from July, 1867, till March
S A. Your check Is dated March 0, believe.
CONTENTS THAT MEMORANDUM BOOK
9. Will you be kind enough 10 produce that private
memorandum book. A. can't now; have not got 1t
here. ..-. 20
O. Is il at home 7 A. II is at home.
Q. Does 1t contain an account with all the members
with whom you had dealings A No some Of them L
settled with, and the memorandums were destroyed
Q. Why did not you bring the private memorandum
book with youi A. brought all thought was neces
here list OF the names that that private memo
randum, taken from it.
@. When you conyersed with Mr. Alley and stated to
him that my recollection and yours in accord did
you say anything to him about that 200 checki NV
statement not that my recollection accorded with
your statement. ...
@. You stated that it had accorded with a converse
ton we had at Wormleys early in the present session
A. do not know understand you.
O. Mr.. Alley stated, day before yesterday, that you
told him your recollection substantially agreed with
mnei A. 1 do not recollect saying so anywhere; my
recollection is very different.
O. In that conversation had with you at Wormleys,
before which you called three times aud did not find
did not tell you that had received dividends A.
Not that know of
O. Did not tell you that had never received div-
dend from youi A. do not know, but you may have
said so.
Q. Then when you told Mr.. Alley afterward, before
the recess that your recollection of conversation
agreed with NINE why did you not add except that you
had paid ,2OOi A. do not think said TO Mr. Alley
we agreed.
@. Now, Sir, will you ten me why you made the check
which you say you gave TO that had initials S. c.
written In while the check you gave to Mr. Allison had
the full name OF w. B. Allison written ni A. cannot
give you TO that, only happened TO write it
so in do not put in any initials atal; some
1 did, and others put in the full name.
@. Did receipt to you for this checki 4. No. and
there was why you should; it did not belong
to me it belonged to you a dividend.
O. You state that you gave il to me A. Certainly
did did not deposit $4,000 to pay the dividends due
here and cheat out of q 200; you do not sup
pose would be guilty of such fraud do you
QUESTION OF OWNERSHIP.
O. Have you told me- within the last four years.
that the owner Of this stockf A. do not know
whether have not do not know that anybody has
told within the last four years that owned my own
hat
O. You testified few moments ago that there was
some such remark made by about my giving up
those s5OOi A. you told at room before
testified.
O. You testified, in answer TO question OF Judge Po
land about your recoectons OF that fact that there
was some such remark giving up $780, and of my be-
ing sorry for your mstortune do remember where
this conversation occurred A think it was at Worm
ley'sf
O. You remember that conversation in the Senate !
A. ia is very likely; recolect seeing you over there
In the Senate but what was said cannot remember
do not dispute that you said So
O. You remember that spoke to you about the $500
now when said to you that was sorry for your mis-
fortunes and would not require you to return the
$500 why did not you state to that had paid me
200 against that and that there nothing 10 return
do not understand your version OF the matter at all
when you spoke TO about that matter you knew you
had the 1900 and did there proof OF that in the
books and what is the Of trying to get round IT.
there getting round it or over it, the record shows
for itself that gave you the check
O. Where when you gave me the checki A.
90 not remember; in the House Of Representatives
suppose,
O. Where was II, in the Speakers chair or on the
Hoorf A. How can / remember six years ago where
was when gave man check; that is ridiculous; do
not remember; remember gave il to you.
TESTIMONY OF Mr.. COLFAX.
Mr. Colfax-I wish to repeat exactly what stated
day before yesterday, that never received from Mr.
Ames dollar on account whatsoever; never saw this
check. never knew until saw this check this morn
ing whether Mr. Ames signed his name o. Ames or
Cakes Ames; why If the check was for me, he should
have filed 1t out with IS c." bearer, cannot i'm
aQne; II had seen check so filed out 1t would have
struck me very forcibly; now, could not have Dad
81 200 added TO my without remembering II very
positively; could not have talked with Mr.. Ames
afterward about sympathizng with him in his
misfortunes and proposed to remit to him the $500
had paid him. II had received 400 from him. dur
ing the whole four years, he himself states, he has
never proposed pay any Of the dividends on the
stock although he recognized me as the owner OF the
stock because when told him would not buy into
law suitt must have occurred In the sessonbf 1865 and
which have shown the Committee; Mr.. Blame testi
Hes TO Mr. Ames telling him the In the Summer OF
1913 the Committee will probably remember that
asked Mr. Ames a question, before Mr.. McCrary asked
about Mr. Alison whether did not tell him would not
puy into law suit and that he then took small piece
Of money out of his pocket threw il down. and said
was to consider that it bought i told him, No.
Cir. I will nave nothing TO do with 1t whatever"
CONSTRAINED By AMKs.
BY Mr.. Ames-Q You told me that you paid the 1854
A. I stated originally to the Committee that II was
about s5Oo and that you then told me there were some
dividends, but they were unadjusted; Mr.. Ames has
testified that there was bond dividend, which he sold
for me- without my authority and he says there was
stock dividend which was unsdjusted.
O. You would not have given me check for 1854 u