New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-04-04

EAA MlNAIiON Of . IL khMof1f A. y bAhpphhf
AND A. VAN vECHTES-LIBERALTrY or GOULD,
DUTCBER, AND oTHERs-SR. BARBoUG RECEIVES
LARGE SUNS FOR ATTENDING THE LEGIsLATURE
-HE DENIES EvER PAYING Any on II 10 MEM-
BERs
GENERAL PRESS DIsPATCHI
ALBANY, April 8-The Assembly Erie Investi-
eating Committee met the Court Of Appeals room.
this afternoon. a. o'clock.
TESTIMONY or J. Il. RAMSAY.
Joseph e. Ramsey. examined by Ar 5uckney, tesu-
fed that IN 1877 he wont 70 Messrs 5Uuthmsyd aud Hale,
70 see what could be done IN securing the repeal OF the
Erie Classification act after the bill was introduced
had an interview vita Gen. sickles In NewYork, and
Mr. Barlow to the suit; also with Mr. Swan. promi-
Dent English stakeholder talked with members Of the
Legisature about It requested % employ coun-
se and select then. 20 appear before the legislative
Committee one ex-senator Angel; also
Messrs johnson and Bancroft Bancroft was 70
employ some ODE az Emirs Van Valkenburgb was en-
ployed 10 learn what means used by the other par
ties to prevent the repeal paid these parties the
amount WAS 1850 do not know Of any other money
being paid the money provided by the Engllsh
stockholders 70 employ counsel: have no knowledge
OF the Of other money paid 70 other persons don't
know Of any taken oppose tAe passage OF the
Pro Rata Freight do not know Of any money paid
AZ the last session Of the Legislature 70 influence lesa
ton.
To NJ wrrht-Know Of counsel appearing for tho
Central ana Erie Railroad Companies before tao Com
mtrse on the Pro Rata Freight bill Mr. Clark was one
do not know Of the Central employing any one for any
other purpose my impression Is thas saw Dir Owen
here about that time
To Mr. Carpeuter-In Erie matters I was acting on
ny own account and At the request OF those interested
in the repeal: that M Van yalkenburgh should
ind Bh hat corrupt the opponents were using;
understood Mr. Van yakeD0urgh 20 report that he Was
unable 70 trace what they were using; rOm his
investigation was Led 20 believe that no corruption
vas being prsctced. but from reports and rumors was
led 70 believe there was Mr. Angel appeared before the
Committee as counsel; those employed appeared in
the Committees rOOm, bat made 10 arguments; in De-
cember had conversation with Gen. Barlow in refer
eDee 70 bringing suit and found there had been con-
suitatOn subject advised him 20 employ
assistance and named biz Halls and lii. smith. WHO
we're enIlOyed
To Mr. Babcock-smth was not employed IN conse-
quence Of his being q member Of the legislature II
was In December at that time had It In o0ntempa
ton 70 secure our remedy through suit know Gen.
Barlow dd not take compensation We offered H. but he
would not accept IL.
To Nj. wright think saw william A. Vanderbilt
here during that time saw him here al the Deeyan
House did not know Of bis using money.
EXAMINATION OF a. D. BARBOUR.
A. D. Barbour was and examined by Mr. Stick
ney. He TESTIFIED reside in Utica; have been here
several Winters while here sOk after my interests,
whatever nave and also the interests Of my friends
look after their interests ID az dreotlOns-s0metmes at
hotels at III Capitol the streets have been often
engaged on matters before the Legislature can't say
that have been engaged in lobbying, because 90 not
kaOw what yOu mean If you will tell me what you
mean BY il ! can tel you may consider that am
To Nj Wrght-In my sense Of tae term AN not en-
gagged in lobbying.
To Mr.. Stickney-I am engaged talking 70 members "
the Legislature an not q member Of the bar think
I have appeared before Committees and made argu-
uents three four years ago appeared before the
Railroad Committee can't tell the lexact time never
used any otler means than talking; don't recoect Of
ever paying money 20 members Of the Legislature
know have not for the purpose OF influencing legisa-
ton DO say have not paid them money for any
purpose have bank account N Utica and IN the Union
National Albany none other had an account at the
Mechauics' aud Farmers Bank here IN which had no
interest am not q member Of any firm never 10 my
knowledge have had any account IN the Mechanics
and Farmers Albany SINCE 1865 John B. Oston
railroad superintendent dOn'J know OF his keeping
bank account here; have not been in tho habit Of get
ting checks eashed IN Albany banks saw Olson IN New
York few weeks ago; in 1872 think re-
celved t25CO from the Ere Railroad the largest
received was 5000 never. as reconect received
$4,000 SEE by the papers that received that amount
from Flax but have recollection OF receiving II
recoect being in the Erie Railway Office and signing
voucher, but DO not reeolect receiving any money
at the time have signed vouchers without receiving
time have no recollection Of receiving money from
MI. Gould, but DO not say positively that
aid NOT receive 10 have been Intimate
with Mr. Van vechten we combine our
ipauepee don't know that authorized him receive
money for me he has done from the Erie Company,
from Fisk and Could paid the eOe he received on the
10Th o, April 1911 that said 70 have been for
legal services
lam not a lawyer according % your construet0ni I
eoud not have rendered any legal services; did what
Mr. Gould desired OF IT 20 look after has inter-
ests In legislation; / DO not recollect what did
do 70 DO PAID $4,000 for; remember that there was
a nil passed called the Erie Classification bili know
that there Wac bill TO repeal that act but do nj reco
lect when these bills were up did not give anybody
else any OF that money F44ow enough 20 know better
than that.
am not aware whether Van yechten kept account
in the Mechanics ana Farmers Bank; can't tell what
legal services performed for the $780, did not remem-
Der Of taking any part IN opposing the repeal OF tAe
Classification bill
Witness was shown voucher IN 1910 FOR si'1o. ana
ad ne could not tell what services he performed for It
another for $780, and could not tell what Inc did Tor II
also voucher s76O which amount be had no reeoi
lection OF receiving but supposed he did; also another
for O hs received these amounts for services To the
satisfaotOn VI Mr. Could another for 'Oo' WHICH no
did not resOlect receiving; this wac Tor legal
ecpeuses bat could tell what they we're they were
sasfactory 70 Mr. Gould he would not have PAID the
| money and satisfactory 20 me. I would not have
taken IL received from other parties large surns-as
large ar $1,000 have kept account OF them
/ have received large from John b. Duieher-eum'
"A large AS $4,000 and 5000 have received sums
/ from Mr. VANDERBILT; can't give the amount received
! from butcher; think / received sums two OF
three times from him have no recollection no"
] much reserved at time DONE know az receive"
money from INN during moro Than ono session % lH,