New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-10-20
JOINT COMMUNION.
ADDITIONAL Dr. sCUssION OF THE QUESTION.
TIKI REV MR DRum.N DECLINES CORRESPONDENCE
wrrg r, rTIsD PARTIES.

II, designedto be reply to the letter which recently
addressed to a certain right reverend gentleman By
name The defense Of Bishop Cummns Is probably 80
nlausibe or a. strong any that he made but a
doos not come from the proper party Whatever n,
mart, NAV be- must excused from entering into dis,
.s.io, on bis matter with ymous and irresponsible
nartie, NV business with tine gentleman who LIS
official capacity gave publicity to certain statements
have respectfully asked him 10 prove that what he
oged s racts are facts he has not yet done 10.
when he publishes reply signed a. his nrs letter was
"George David Cumnins. Assistant Bishop OF the Do
csse of Kentucky :" or in any way that will make him
directly responsible FOR H. shall give u my best alton
ton Meanwhile T must decline correspondence with
third parties no matter how. respectable they may he
Bristol, Penn, Oct 10. 1873 JOHN !" DNo
IRREGULARITIES NEVER sASCuoSE1 BY THE
CHURCH.
To the Rdttor OF rae Tribune.
SIR: The author of "VOx Bcclesie' N, no
doubt fully able to yndioate bs assertion In the cont
troyersy with Bishop Cummins. In tho mean time viii
you permit Country Parson" To call the attention Of
your readers % the true point NJ issue The Citations OF
the Bishop and OF Hisoricus only show that cortsin
irregularities had been permitted 20 take place by Ger
tain Bishops at a specified time. and not that those
irregularities we're sanctioned by the law OF tho English
Church The preface "a the Ordinal clearly ses forth
tho mind OF the Church. which no laNty the part Of
any Of her bishops could obterato Her language Il,
Il evident unto all men diligently reading mo Holy
Scripture and ancient authors that from tbs Apostles
time there have been these Orders Of Ministers IN
Chrisrs Churohbishops. priests, and deaeons-"hieh
Offices had in such reverend estimation
that no man might presume TO execute any " Them
except he were frat called, tried examined and knows
TO have such qualities requisite FOR the same
and by public PRAYER, vita imposition Of tnd'.
approved and admitted thefounto ~ lawful an
thonty"
This simple recital OF the language 81 tle CbuTcb cuts
Of inc special pleading and the al cdDtuitna souons
NJ RAJ 4 n
vagares Deans Stanley and 5Dth 10 tis prc9nt nay
be quoted TO sanction violation Church discipline
the tolerated Intrusion OF Presbyterian dyines INTO kn
glish benches 40 time when much sympathy was Ielt
In England FOR tho Continental ReiOrmers. and When
was confidently hoped and pectet That their aoknow
edgediy defective constitution O Chulch pony WOMB
be soon rectifed by Episcopal orders Neither tho r.
formed Anglican nor h0r daughter IN America cOn'd bs
st1itihed to admit the validity oi fresDt toil'n
orders and thereby pronounce that tle Chch OF CHRIST
The English Delegate acts hs part conson,nc,
with HE mlsslon 20 the Evangelical Alliance Wtd h9
fhe establishment IL everything AMI tho Epseopll
Office a matter Of small consideration 7,sto dlehf
Bishop COUNTRY PAI,sos.
NesJ,rsey oct 10, 1873
THE so-cAlLED COMMUNION \ PHoFANE TRAyESrY.
70 tte Bdttor Of The TrtbHns.
SIR: IN the controversy which has arisen
durug tho past week about the recognition OF Proeby
erlan orders by tho Church Of England. [ SEQ that
Bishop Cumrnins has beeB unfortunate as to cite
Martin Bucer aud Peter Martyr Presbyterans wbo-o
! irregular ordination recognized by tho Church Of
England at the time Of the Reformation. Now borh
these men regularly ordained. having received
Episcopal ordination in the Church OF Rome, BIoer hay-
| ing been first Dominican Prior and then parish
| priest and Peter Martyr having been Prior OF Tho
order ot ST. Augustine and regular Of the
order. OF Bishop CumuIins and his Hcw-foik
supporters should have known these facts II tho ques
ton should arise how 1. happens that bishop Of tho
Church can display such phenomenal gnoranco Of tho
lives OF two prominent I'm ecclesiastical history
it may be explained that Tor many years past can'"
has been IN by which ministers OF other religious
bodies may DO admitted into th9 priesthood OF tho
Church after probation OF only ak mouths and WITH
what has proved at times Insufficient guarantees 81 IN
telleotual fitness While the plan has worked wen IN
many cases II has gwen Us bshOp Nin...os,
Methodist preacher IN Kentucky WITH, IS an nlotmeu'
no proper theological education.
As 70 the whole question Of the validity OF Presby-
terrain orders. the raes are settled The CA1Tct OF
England and the American Church have alike formally
dlned persons were intrGdsd into English lyngs dur
duosIoned that owing TO the union OF Church and
and the supneness OF certain bishops OF the ano
stamp prelate OF kentaokyI the airi laH
proved insufficient 10 secure thelr eYc0p Is also ascer
tliued THIS being the result Of the nadequacy Of tho
English civil law OF the period. has nothing whatever 10
90 with the corporate action OF The English Church As
distinguished from the State and in no way affects tho
issue. Neither the Eaglsh nor the American Church
has ever formally recognized otner than Episcopal
ordination as he eaRoh' a 595n bodies 1ea1
would be papable breach OF his ordination now, az f
lows Il will diligence always TO minister tho
this Church has received the same.
II not that the sOoaled communion was no sacrament
but pTOfdne trayesy Of one, the Act Of Conservation
never having been duly performed. such, 100, would
probably be Bishop Cunnins'a line OF defense II pro
scented and tried fOg breach Of VOWS" HIS attempt ~
under Of broads'de az the kitutliss two
certainly regard their yowsl Is too Transparent to bs
effective. However the end not yot. Some decisive
means should be taken to check lawlessness IN nigh
places. THEOLOGICUs.
Seso York. Oct. 49, 1878.
CITATION Oh PREVIOUS IRREGULARITIES NO DE-
FESSE.
tn Ed The TrtbNns.
SIR: Without venturing to impugn the in
tegrty OF Historicus 10 your issue OF this morning.
would ask what do hts facts show more than this;
That a time OF great excitement and disturbance
some crept the Churchi It ia net ques
ton whether at the time of the Reformation Soms
abuses permitted but whether an ordained min
ister Of that Church claiming TO down from tho
Apostles OF Lord right in making statement thar
there essential difference between Episcopal and
Presbyterian ordination. II there is not, why does the
Assistant Bishop OF Kentucky proceed to orfain youna
men, and delegate that part OF his duty 10
reverend brother Of the Ptesbyteryf His labors
very abundant aud all would rejoice could they lawfully
be hghtened this slight reading of the OrdinS
in the Prayer Book especially the preface 20 IT, and this
csnons Protestant Episcopal Church In this
try will any that no orders but those con
ferred by Episcopal hands are recognized by that
Church. aud that those seeking 70 enter that Church
from tho Christian bodies around US must nrst b
ordained Even early times all the sects who from
other fell into hereSy carried WIN them
Bishop and maintained an irregular succession Calys
himself wished that body OF which he was leader
might have Episcopal ordination. IL was only when
they could not obtain II that they made discovery:
which fifteen hundred years OF constant progress had
never brought gt that Presbyterian succession was
all that necessary II We wish 10 depart from the
early Church, which all look with reverence. we WIZ
acknowledge Presbyterian orders, but II not We viii say
with a father Of that Church, " Let nothing Do done
without the Bishop" AMERICAN CATHOLIC.
New York, Oct. Is. 1873.
QUESTION TO BISHOP CUMMISs.
70 ths Edit0r Of The Tribune.
SIR win Bishop Cummins please explain