The Rock Island daily Argus. [volume] (Rock Island, Ill.) 1872-1873, 1873-01-27

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members Of the Committee 81 : upn.
Lands. Ms is also our Mr.. Hs"iey' Drought
out the following proceedings
PERSONAL EXPLANATION.
A. N-C.-u,sk of Missouri. Mr..
c,ani... thore Is a difference Of recollec
~ ha,Isen the gentleman from Illinois
I'M, U'wleyl and myself In reference 10
trsnaaetjon in committee. / understand
thaf when any matter is matured in com
mittee, and ordered by that committee to
be reported to the House by one Of its
members, it is the duty Of that member
so instructed 10 carry out the order OF the
committee when the time comes for him
to do so in the House. lf he fails 50 TO
do, when the time comes that he should do
Il in the House, II occurs 10 me that It Is
not violation of parliamentary law, or OF
the rules Of the House for any gentleman
10 call him 10 order in that connection.
Nov, ! stated to the House that, after
consideration Of the subject, the Commit
tee on the Public Lands instructed the
gentleman from Illinois Mr.. Hawleyl %
report an amendment 10 the Senate bill
No 1918, the one just passed by the
House Yet the gentleman from Illinois
obtained the floor, discussed the bill for
some thirty or forty minutes, and then
moved the previous question upon the
passage Of the bill, without paving Any
regard to the instructions Of the Commit
tee on the Public Lands Ihereupoh l
made n statement 10 the uouse VI t"e
action Of the committee.
The Speaker at once ruled that | was
violating q rule Of the House by calling
the attention Of the House 10 that fact.
Now, ! did not consider myself a. violating
any rule Of the House in 50 doing. con.
sidcrcd that when after discussion and
consideration OF subject committee
orders its chairman % move an amend
ment thereto. when the time comes for the
consideration Of that subject by the House
that amendment 50 ordered by the com
mittec is Of right the property Of the
House and should be delivered TO the
House, TOR its consideration and detCrmi-
nation.
Now, if have violated any rule Of the
House | am ready here and now ~ apollo
gizc 20 the House for so doing. If the
House wishes % know what did transpire
in committee, ] viii order the record of
that committee to be brought here. They
will find on page 425 Of the journal rec
ord Of the proceedings Of the Committee
on the Public Lands on that day, and the
question Of recollection between myself
and my friend from Illinois Mr. Hawleyl
can by decided upon by the House by ref
erence TO the journal as it now appears.
showing the action Of our committee on
that day. This is what ] wish 10 state |
consider that the Speaker, in reprimand-
ing me as he did, hardly had the right e
do 81. However ! am always willing &c
receive a reprimand II have violated any
rule Of the House but in this case ! dc
not think did so
The Speaker The Chair did not speak
in a tone Of reprimand 10 the gentleman
The rule is specific, and the Chair will
read il;
M. not In order to allude ON the noor TO any
thing that has taken place 10 committee, unless by
written report sanctioned by majority Of til,
committee
Mr.. Mccormick, Of Missouri That i
exactly what had been done it is not a re
port, but an amendment to bill Ordere,
by a majority Of the committee.
The Speaker. The rule provides tina
where a report is made from committee
and n member Of that committee dispute
the right OF the member making it 50 t
do, the House will settle the question
But the rules do not take cognizance of thu
case of n member not making repor
when his committee has instructed him :,
% do The gentleman from Missouri Mr.
Mccormick IN raising the point OF Orde
could himself have moved the amendmen
II he had been in season. But at the tim
he called attention o. the matter the hi
had got two stages beyond the tim
when It was possible. under the rules, {
amend il
Mr. Mccormick, of Missouri. wa
aware that ] was too late 10 move a
amendment but | believed that this wa
go bad and iniquitous q hill that If | mad
that statement il would have some infu
cnce on the House
The Speaker Was this bill before tn
Committee on the Public Ionds?
Mr. Mccormick, of Missouri. Ii wa
informally II was not referred 10 tn
committee by the House but it was il
formally considered by the committee
The Speaker Under what authority
Mr. Mccormick, Of Missouri Bv IN
authority Of usage ] believe.
Mr. Stevenson A majority Of the CON
mittee insisted on considering il informally
in spite Of objection
Nv tNINNNkNlH y committee liue no dil
th1rity 10 consider a matter not referred 4
n 10y the House under the rules
Mr. Mccormick, of Missouri. Thi. wa
not bill, but an amendment to a bill.
The Speaker Precisely but III the bi
was not before the committee, they ha
no more right % consider il than lad IN
Committee ON Public Buildings an
Grounds or any other committee.
Mr. Stevenson. So / thought
The Speaker And therefore any rec
ord which the committee may have mad
IN regard 70 the matter would be simply
matter Of personal good faith betwee
members OF the committee, not a questio
OF parliamentary law.
Dir. Mccormick, Of Missouri. As Their
Is difference Of recollection between th
gentleman from Illinois and myself woul
be- pleased 10 have the record Of the com
mittec read
The Speaker The Chair cannot Sc,
any point 20 be ruled upon, and as 10 dis
putes arising from misunderstanding. que,
tons ui vcraclty, Re, between members
the Chair cannot countenance them IN,
morning hour now begins, and reports ar
10 order from the Committee Of Claims
Mr. ilawley at Illinois. ! trust tina
after the gentleman from Missouri ma
been allowed 30 come in here and say tina
] have violated the instructions Of IA
Committee on the Public Lands, the matte
will not be passed over without allowin
me an opportunity to say word In repl,
My answer 10 the gentleman is that III
Committee on the Public Lands at the la.
session Of Congress considered the Senat
bill informally, exactly as it has been pas
ed hy the House.
The Speaker Which the rules Cav
the committee no right whatever 10 do.
Mr. Hawley, Of Illinois. Very well
that Is not the question between the ger
tleman from Missouri and myself
Mr.. Stevenson. II is, however. an in
teresting piece Of information. which
hope will do the committee good
Mr. Hawley, Of Illinois The gentI,
man from Missouri has been allowed TO o,
cupy the time Of the House By a stat,
ment that | have violated the instruction
Of my committee.
The Speaker, When committee co
siders bill not referred 10 il By the Hou
It is travelling outside OF the record.
Mr. Cox But it is done every day.
The Speaker That may be but In