The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-09-20
CITY POLITICS.
,Tammany Hall Yer
sus Apollo Hall.
AN INTERVIEW WITH TIE LEADERS,
The Difference Twixt Tweedle-
dunn and Tweedledee.
The Congressional Candidates for Brooks
Seat.

The Congressional Candidates for Brooks
Seat.
the ar-absorbine question 9: che dAy N city polL
sics u, To whom from Z Democratic standpoint n
allegiance and fealty due In the coming contest q
between Telnihany Hall aud Apollo Han To en-.
deavor to solve this puzzle and TO cut the gordisn
Knot Of doubt and uncertainty HERALD reporter
interviewed two Of the leaders OF either psrty-a
Saul In politics ON either side-a Tsmmany Hall
man first and subsequently an Apollo Han man.
The following is the result which the democratic
voters will have to read. learn and inwsrdiy d.
vest between this and election day.
''f1 TO the nrst question propeundcd Tammany an
ewered:-"As an organization Apollo Hall cannot
be recognized. 1t would be opposed to all party
precedent Besides, there Is no pledge or base OF
compromise involving ct present any pretence at
Interference with the making OF the slate that the
leaders would accept John Kelly's foot IL down
nat upon that platform. Our hayward brothers
he viii welcome back. XIII for them the fatted calf
n necessary, bus they shall have no hand or part
for the present In dsposing Of the heritage that
belongs to those who stood by Tammany in evil
report and good report. Some of the leaders Of
Apollo proved recreant to Herman by selling him
ont, and even burning up 5000 Of the regular
democratic tickets. Such men Tammany can never
Countenance. no 5s ess os,+.
REPoRT1R-what overtures, II any, and upon
what conditions has Apollo Hall asked for admis.
sion 10 the Tammany fold isr-,, ~ DvL
TAAMANY--Well, they have presumed to suggest
that they should have voice in the nominations
not a. restored members Of the Tammany house
eold, but a. an 8s-rre .s
Us AAh ~ NDzPENDEfT ORGANIZATION.
They do not ask Tor readmission as prodgals who
have spent their Inheritance and are willing to
take back seats for time, but as malcontents,
with arms In their hands demanding conditions.
This Tammany scouts.
REPoRTER-Does Senator O'Brien's negotiations
with the Custom House party IN the city at the
last election, and at which time ne was himself
candidate for Mayor, operate adversely against him
IN the minds Of the Tammany leaders ana lead
them to doubt the sincerity OF the party now
TAxAANY-It does, and in proof that her fears
well founded IL Is only necessary to state that
but few days ago Apollo Hall, or, at all events,
Its old leader O'Brien, was engaged fishing after
COMBINATION WITH THE CUSTOM HOUSE PARTY.
On that occasion O'Brien. Tom Murphy, Colo.
mel Arthur and Brobdignag Davenport were
cl0seted in private room In the Clarendon Hotel
weaving their magic spells to catch democratic
votes for Murphy who aspires to I'LL the Senatorial
vacancy in O'Brien's district.
REPORTER-"Can such things be andn-
answer, yes, sir. That was the principal subject
OF discussion, and pretty kettle Of fish OBrien
must have made of 1t. He knows that ne hes
scarcely leg to stand on himself in the district,
and how he could promise to help Murphy in .
walk over astonishes even his best friends. He
could hardly have thrown much dust, however, In
the eyes OF the Custom House Ring, for they know
well that
OLIVER oHARL1ok AsrmEs TO THE REPRESENTATION
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inspectors and canvassers OF election he can insure
mis- own election, no matter under what nag he
sails. Like Tommy Dodd. ''when he goes in he's
sure to win" But we were speaking OF Tammany
and Apollo Hall
REPoRrER-Yes; and I win ask you one more
question In that connection. What Inducements,
Or any, does Tammany Hall hold out to the recaci-
rrant leaders Of Apollo to return to the fold and to
shetr old allegiance
TAMMANY-None whatever as an organization.
But believing that there are good men in Apollo
Hall who deplore division and who are anxious for
the success Of the democratic party-city, State
and national-and who VIII not allow themseves
20 be cajoled inuD wasting their strength in strv-
tng to exhume and galvanlze dead issues, Tam.
many expects that these men and the masses-the
bone and sinew Of the democracy In this ctty-Wnl
mean to present-men who will command the re-
Opect Of all classes Of their fellow ctttzens-and
snin sub Whether Il BE- rammany Han or Apollo
HAL, they WIN vote for these men, and once more
xeassert democratic claim TO supremacy In the
RsroRTsR (reverttnr again to the O'Brien,
Iurpny Davenport Go: meeting at the Clars1.
side Of Apollo Hall, in bargaining with the Custom
TAMMANYrwny. one can pledge himself to the devil
IN pv0prtd persona, and that Is all OBrten could do
in bargaining with Tom Murphy Or Davenport: He
o ss e
control Of the district which he certainly possessed
= 81 put lost 70 1 ans MU1y
ne couldn't be surer OF that tact:
REPoRr1s-But would not OBrien's peace made
With the 0nended st. Tammany save hun rom fall-
1ng deeper onto political abyssesi
7An1ANy-No Tammany would require him and
Ms cOWOrkerG to go through such an t
ORDEAL OF rENANCE, PROBATION AND sELH-xoRTIFI-
tH CATION
O0fOro he or they could assume tner OLD places IN
she deld or at the council that all hope Of rea1lia
sion is ont Of the question. they must all SINK or
Rsrc ~sSa sne event of Apollo Hallcarlng
nothing, alter all, for rehabilitation in the Tam:
many fold, but conscious 81, or relying on its own
oSay Scsls wifi no this Of policy
OF the democratic party throw the election alto
&c not TS voters
n the QItx and STATE are kokinS q Tamnany as
Shsn rom the republican, irfupton that swept over
innicted on the party. They feel themselves In the
position Of the French, who in time Of peace trusted
10 their leaders and were deceived by them, and
when the time OF conflict came they went TO the
wall The French sunered, but have cleared their
territory by paying the last OF the indemnity the
democratic masses suffered for tnsir ie eds
nity and now N the election this fall will 20 In at
beast to hold their own and bide their time to re-
conquer their Alsace and Lorraine IN the onces OF
District Attorney and corporation Counsel, that
the republicans must hold fof time. They feel
that they can only do this by enrolling themsel yes
under the Old fammany dag. avoiding all en-.
eongnnG alliances with outside organisations.
kxPoRT1R-Who are the most factous and hostile
OF sho old party-now In Apollo Hall-t0 submls.
sion ior the sake OF democratic SUGGEST