New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-12-01

exclusively Episcopal iwhen they entered II. and
was Sl9 SisS for and .ssS am
Iors then 10 know what constant practice " OF
Canmer cGSd be 1 t, be IN o 90 c
mony with the settled principles OF the Chnrch was the
Of 1'e ysy pon 40 40 s@es
Of the Arohbishop's views. l cannot so lar Tres
pass upon !he columns OF newspaper o ss 70
and replies. II the reverend gentleman Will
do me the honor to look at Vox EeceslS' pages
Iq7-Il2 he will find the matter fully treated: 1hose
replies were written soon after LORD Cromweh was DC.
headed and when the Romish party was eomior ,l
his friend at that time the Church was not reformed
and the answers gwen to the Questions were gwen pJ
some Bishops and Others who uld not take part I'D te
Reformation by some indeed wac bitterly opposed it
so that the nature OF the replies has nothing 10 90 WIN
the question OF Protestant versus Romanlst. Craniners
answers strongly tngei with hls views OF me au
thorty OF Christian Kings and TO those views anu tn1
OF his statements. But no matter what IN sto tns
PLANTATION may he, the fact remains, that ths
never afterward set forth by the Archbishop
Prof Fisher would have seen this plainly eohesseh Wy
Burnett # he had looked at inc tea as "e aSn t' Eli
ton, vol. l. page 2l2 There the writer speahss 40, D
some singular opinions WHEN were ny n, est,b
shed az the doctrine OF the Church nut laid aside as
ward he ged his opinions" Ole might suppose So
since In I54I 1913 he published his Catechs, contain
ing the Absouton or the Power OF t9 heys
From tns offer few sentences that hnh VIII gto
much more correct idea Of Cranmers principles thah
the paper Prof. Fisher quotes; ..s .,,,.,.,. NJ,
o most boS Word to instruct faith" &c. Preachers
1 be- bo' oUInd and appointed 70 t' oce y Cod
Jesus beathe on his Apostles AMI sad receive tue
. SS2 ns s9. as. le.ey s ' And ep cSf
authority 10 other gody and holy minister Gods wort"
Ana y that ordained noee aud also we're called The
minister Of Col As the Apostles themseVes were 80, ,, 5d
And the mnrdcn Of Gods word lNhch our Lora ne I h
n,uue) derived from the Apostle unto Others aver mem
s 10 or De-! All his vas me consesoa orders and anetion Of
Apostles whereby 'hey Al e besinaag made Ir. 'A' p''
Wber rooi children give ius md honor th-
he rton o. ther o bal hil them r., Gls ministers sad
..seulsr, Of Lon jesus Christ And whatsoever '1y 90 20
to yos th- by and Cht these shah esteem # Cun
And on the side you shall good heed aud beware OF fss
s s14 p'{ Sns aoaS su5ody nor icing c,id
To these very plain inculcations OF Ministerial autnor
itv and Apostolic Succession, need only add mat III
$40 Crancr the Preface to the Ordnai, decar
ing that the Apostles mo there had always Deeh
in CrIst's Church these Orders Of Minister'S Bishops
Priests ana Deacons and That therefore no man quot
being this present Bishop Priest, or Deacon snau
execute any 81 the said Offices, unless he De Called
tried examined, aud admitted according 10 tho iVrin
hereafter following" It would Indeed ne astonishing
IT, after making ths fundamental principle OF the l!o
formed Church OF England, the Archbishop should ACT
IN such as 10 show that the question o, Orunauon
had NOT feathers weight with hIm. But he dld not
so act; his ayowed principles AND his constant prac
tics" were Ia complete harmony.
DIR Tl,her purses bis argument I'm effect thus The
extension of Presbyerau dyines from the parishes OF
the English Church would show tnat the Jure dUtro
theory OF EpIcOpacy held by those who maze such
ruc hut that theory was not held I'LL ABOUT 40 years
orward; ergo there no such rule Now II seems
10 me this Is not exactly the way TO argue on nis
matter because people may dheras 10 wheJhr the JHe
diriuO theory held ana they ctunOt diner rs To
wnethcr the law laid down in tho Ordina existed |
wopid therefore take The liberty OF nyerting the argn
ment aud from positive fact a. basis dedhce my con-
clusiOn TIE law requiring episcopal ordination was III
force therefore the Jrs drino was held But our Dus
ness with the question whether TINS or that theory
was led buC whether or not persons OF certain class
admitted 70 certain positions, ahd Ohy 40 IhVo tis
matter ~ "0pinons" because Prof Fisher has resOrted
"a Them his statement appear UruDibe. Nutn
ne aad keOC say that the Ehglsh helOim-t5 OF tuc
frat age die not ia their Writings take the hlgneht
ground in behalf OF their system they say what ~
quite correct, and the fact n explained bY thelr char
liable KINDNESS to Others. But they took ground
that WAS inconsistent with the highest. They kept
back what IL not necessary To say Dut they sara
nothing that showed any aversion to the Jdfe d'U"so
Dr. Fisher says that Jewel in his Apology ana Defense
aid not maintain that theory. IL hardly necessary
considering that those works were directed against
Rome with which as TO the three fold ministry there
ma coufroyersy But when he SAYS that Jewel calls
beck mon he doctrine thai BISHOPS are greater tnau
Presbyers by order and custom OF The Church and not
By tue truth al Gods ordinance" nc does not state the
matter quite fairly Jewel does quote Jerome's saying
10 that effect using II as an argument againsS ms
Church Tor the Pope aud who yet was Obliged to reyer
ence the authority OF Jerome In such case ior
such "A purpose, the argument was quite proper But
The extract Is noe given Jewels doctrine upon
subject, much less AS that Of the Church OF England
Elsewhere he quotes Ignatius thus 1.-THE Bishop in his
church the form OF Cod the Father of all. and so
much Is possible, reSembletL m MS once christ our
God 'They that be-Of Christ are with the Bishop"
And CypriaD thus: 'They that be with the Bislop
ans not in the Church" Why then may ! not say,
Jewel falls back upon the most exclusive doctrine OF
make no such assertion from occasional of argu
meDts and quotations; for such az are NOT iormaly
adopted the authors own ougn not 10 Do attributed
10 him Jewels right 10 be regarded as Priest and
Bishop challenged by Harding. II he dad not set
value upOn the Episcopal ordination, or regard the
threeOld ministry important ne had then AN 0pp1T
tunty Of saying 30 frankly but IN place thereof he
II an priest made long by order ordinance ,ni
think also by the and the aan tia. NJ Harding
we're made bv" Furf.cT 4 am a hslop, and
that by the re- election Of whole Chapter
Of Ssburv "On shops are made In om ana orr a. the
free election OF TIE Chapter by coneeton Of the he
bishop ard By the .dmon OF 5e Pnncs el,2 We Hs.gef
When Prot Fisher says mere Is no trace OF the JUe
GriO theory in the writings OF Cranmer, he forgets the
CaechlsD and tue OFdnal ana When nc says there 10
in the writings Of Whitgft he iorgets the aOunJ
thai very doctrine: lie forgets also che testimony OF
Bishop Cooper IN mis- AdmOnltion:
be by the word OF God superiority among minister, Canrch
p B,1 .es s62 Ro. And poe he a. all lime. % u
by HOY scripture aud BY the testimony Of all anq" Page 81
Alt whitgt himself put into single sentence enough
disprove completely what Prof. Fisher says OF him
True It H. that persuaded that both Timothy aud
Titus and consequently other Bishops, have authority
10 ordan and appoint ministers, alone Since, how
ever the question has been raised TO when the jre
dcpiO theory openly proclaimed, and why. their
earlier Writings tne English dyInes did not stand on the
highest ground, will give quotation frum Wright
that will throw much light on these subjects. Bcza
10 him complaining bitterly OF Drs. SutcHe Sara
via and Others in England who had written against
Presbytery and Whitgift in reply, told him that
such writings had been made absolutely necessary
consequence Of his attacks upon Episcopacy,
well the disorders produced by those VINO followed
him authority. notwithstanding that vIrulent
book OF Travers against the Constitution Of the English
Church." they all had imposed silence upon them
selves for the peace OF the Church." ana so they
thought not ut To that declamer" whom other
wise IL would have been easy TO COMPUTE. But while
they generously forbearing there appeared book
Of Beza's, assuming Episcopacy as human or even
Satanca invention Other sucn 0fenses specified,
and then Whitgft says:
what all this business hath been acted bJus less brothe What
bat when necessity Itself repaired uns would be wang
Church and also Truth tsef For
Degree which ssuon
Divine sud also been held by continued
from the Apostles to tbs Of for for what
Of Heroine Augustine though only aud that but
preferred Bishops 10 Presbyter wonder TO that you
should their sayings that parpos Theu AFTER poang Of
reference Jerome and maintaining the Divine OF
he Of the Presbyterian Scheme; I'VE m by the Of
Col shall the whole world that thing
the Scriptures any Chure before tins
age"