The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-09-13
THE CANADIAN CREDIT MoB1L1ER

Cheerful WITNESSES to tho Fact that
Americans were To BE Excluded-The
G4me To BE Entirely in tho Hands of
the Kanucks-The investigation Drag
ging It's Slow Length Along.
OTTAWA, Canada, Sept. H. 1873.
The Royal Commission met at noon to-day. Sir
John Macdonald, Messrs Langevin, Gibbs, Aikens,
Chapais, Cumberland and others were present.
The attendance OF spectators was larger than
usual. The evidence given yesterday by Beaubien
and the McMullens was read over and signed after
some unimportant changes were made in young
McMullen's deposition The reading OF the evidence
occupied nearly. two hours.
Hon. Mr.. Chapas was the first witness called.
His evidence was given in French. Huntington's
charges were read. The witness denied all know-
edge of any Of the negotiations, understanding or
bargains mentioned. He said the government
never disposed Of the Pacific charter in the way
mentioned
In reply TO Mr.. Langevin, the witness stated that
Sir George Cartier had, from first to last, been
THEORETICALLY OPPOSED TO THE INTRODUCTION OF
AN AMERICAN ELEMENT
into any Canadian company.
Upon the conclusion of Mr.. Chapas' evidence Mr..
Starnes was called to have his deposition read
Before doing so he wished to state that upon
returning to Montreal lately he had examined
the election accounts Of the General Committee,
and found the total amount subscribed $685. 1857.
F. w. Cumberland was called and, being sworn,
testlned-Was managing director OF the Northern
Railway; knew nothing of the agreement between
Sir Hugh Allan and McMulen; knew OF no nego-
tiations respecting the Pacific Railway, except
those having in view the inauguration of the two
Canadian companies; was q director OF the Inter-
oceanic Company; Is now director Of the Cana
dian Pacific Railway; efforts have been made to
amalgamate the Interoceanic with the Canadian
Pacific Company; these efforts emanated with the
Dominion government; had a conversation with
the Hon. Mr.. Campbell in. october, 1872; Campbell
manifested
STRONG DESIRE TO BRING ABOUT THE AMALGAMA-
TION;
the objection Of the Interoceanic to the ANAL
gamation was want Of sufficient guarantee that
Americans would be excluded; Campbell said the
government would give most satisfactory guar
antee that Americans would be excluded; the
causes which prevented the amagamation were
principally personal differences between Sir Hugh
Allan and MACPHERSON; witness also had an inter-
view with Sir John Macdonald, during which Sir
John urged analgamation, stating that the govern
ment was unanimous in excluding Ameri-
cans and would give ample guarantees to
tnat effect; witness understood osi. Sir John
any control Of the Pacific Railway or the
formation of the Interoceanic Company, based
upon the idea OF using only Canadian and British
capital; witness afterward was appointed
director in the Canada Pacific Company ia CONVEX
sation with Sir John the latter asked him would
john the names Of reliable men in Ontario who
would help to form new company; witness did
so; several members or the Interoceanic Company
afterward Joined the Canadian Pacific Company
after the failure OF the attempts to amalgamate.
In reply to Sir John, witness SAID he remembered
the elections in Ontario; had subscribed to the
election fund; did not do 80 on account OF being
likely to be on either Board or in the hope Of any
profit to be received from the railway; subscribed
as member OF the party.
D. McInness was next called and testiaed-Isa
merchant; knew nothing Of the negotiations be.
tween Sir Hugh Allan and Americans in the fall OF
1871 Sir Hugh Allan asked witness to become a
director in his company; Sir Hugh then remarked
INTENDED TO INTEREST AMERICAN CAPITALISTS
in railway enterprise; he did not understand any
agreements with Americans had been made; knew
nothing further respecting Huntington's charges
knew money was subscribed In Ontario for general
election purposes; did not know any money came
from Quebec In reply to Sir John Mcdonald, witness
said he received an appointment In the board OF
the present chartered company 6y cable when he
Senator Cochrane deposed that he knew nothing
OF the alleged negotiations between Sir Hugh
Allan and Americans; never heard any member or
the government mention such negotiations; knew
nothing OF the understanding alleged between Sir
furnishing of election funds did not know the
amount subscribed in Montreal; the only subscrip-
ton he knew Of was that Of his own firm he al
respecting McMullen's charges did not know why
he had been summoned as witness.
hODeTG IN. hall, DeluB Cdlcu anu quesJiOneu,
stated that he lived in Sherbrooke was an Advo-
cate and knew Sir Allan; did not know anything
OF Sir Alan's dealings with Americans: had no
conversation with any member of the government
upon the subject; was provisional director OF the
chartered company to build the Pacific Railroad
had not been consulted by Sir Hugh Allan concern
ing
THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD;
only became acquainted with Sir Hugh just before
the charter was signed; could not imagine why he
had been placed on the witness list never had any
conversation with Huntington on the subject.
In reply to Sir John Macdonald, the witness
stated that he believed he was nominated as d-
rector by Mr. Pope; Mr.. Pope said that 1t was
desirable that every section OF the county should
nominee; Sir Hugh wanted Senator Foster APP
pointed In his twitnessO place, and the signing of
ter was finally decided by his appointment being
confirmed.
The Commission adjourned AT halfpast four