New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-01-25


Mr. coIPAx TRIES HIM AGAIN AND GETS BADLY
weRsrEp-MR. KELLEY ALSO LEARNS SOME
UNPLEASANT TRUTHS-IMPoRTANT SUBJECTS
YET TO BE NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS. STU
ALTON FOR SENATOR LoGAN's NAME.
lBY TELEGRAPH TO THB TRIBuSBi
WASHINGTON, Jan. 24.-Mr. Cakes Ames's memory
continues TO serve him remarkably well. lie Iecoi-
lects with surprising accuracy, anumber OF ti,insS
that certain friends of his would be glad 10 naNo
him forget and be absolutely declines to remember
circumstances and conversations that they are oN
eeedingly anxious TO have him call 10 UNIV,
Tar all attemps 10 induce him to modify or abandon
the statement he made after he got the new iiRn'
from his Observation-Disclosures nave ianou- A
more he is questioned, the more posiu'e no
becomes. To-day Judge Kelley tired his hana AT
,nterroeatine him. and Vice-President Colfax took
another turn at cross-examination. 1t is no
,xaeceration to say that both got badly worsted.
This was SO evident that Judge Nblack in the kind
ness OF his heart suggested that they should employ
counsel if they wished to pursue the examination
further and frankly told them that they were doing
themselves injustice in acting their own lawyers
Mr.. Ames was obviously in bad humor. He did not,
as heretofore bear questioning patiently, but re-
reatedy turned upon Messrs Colfax and Kelley with
uey retorts and sharp, snappish questions After
sneh sally he would subsde into sullen mood and
resume his habit of aimleSsly scribblng with PEN
ell upon sheet of paper. until irrtated into making
another savage retort. 1t was useless to confront
him with his first nOn-cOmmttal and evasive testl-
mony. When asked why he did not tell the whoie
truth at first he would make such replies as these
"Ihad not looked at my memorandum-book or at
nv checks or, 4" was willing to let it go as you
,aidn or "Iwanted to let you off as easy as could
Mr.. Kelley Intercepted him about his ten shares
without getting him to vary in the least from his
statement of Wednesday Mr. Kelley then said to
him e If those shares are mine, how soon can you
deliver them 7" Now" replied Mr.. Ames pulling
an envelope from his pocket, and taking from 1t
stock certificate. which he passed to Mr.. Kelley,
Where is the stock that You say am entitled to
az dividends Z" demanded Mr.. Kelley. Mr.. Ames
taid he had been holding it, waiting the decision IN
the McComb suit but he would turn it over to-mOr-
row. "Then. according to your account, will be
YOUR debtor 7" asked Mr.. Kelley. "Yes, for $3.50,
which loaned you afterward," said Mr.. Ames. Mr..
Kelley denied that he had received the check for
SS2e, which Mr.. Ames said he paid him
as a dividend in June, 1865. The check was pro-
duced by Sergeant-at-Anns 0rdway, drawn in favor
Of W. ID. K.' Mr. Kelley questioned Mr.. Ames at
length about this check Mr.. Ames was meanwhile
writing something on an envelope, which he handed
Mr.. Kelley, who looked at it a moment, flushed up
with anger, and said that Mr.. Ames had asked him
u
Chairman told Mr.. Ames to ask his questions. Mr..
Ames then asked Mr. Kelley if he had not asked re-
peatedly when there would be more dividends, and
If he lAmes) had not loaned him $3.50 on account of
the stock dividends which were waiting the result
Of the suit. "No, Sir" answered Mr.. Kelley. Mr..
Ames asserted that it was true that Mr.. Kelley had
asked for more dividends at almost every session
since 1868, and that the $3.50 loan on account
of dividends to accrue to him. This Mr.. Kelley
again explicitly denied. The stock certificate was
given by Mr.. Kelley to the Chairman.
At the close of the cross-examination of Mr..
Ames Mr.. Colfax' put Mr.. Crounse, correspondent
Of The NeS- York Times, on the stand to swear to
conversation he had with Mr.. Ames about Mr.. Col
faxs first statement. Mr.. Crounse could not remem-
Der Mr. Ames's words, but was sure he told him Mr..
Cofax's statement was about correct. Mr.. Ames
denied having said So and declared that he had not
spoken five words to Crounse he accused CrOunse
of not telling the truth in his dispatch about the
investigation in The Times on Thursday. Mr. COlfaX
then proceeded to question Mr. Ames about the 1920
check PAYABLE to S. c. or bearer, which was pro-
duced by the Sergeant alarms with record of II on
the books This Mr.. Colfax declared on his oath
that he had never seen before. Mr.. Ames grew more
and more irritable as Mr.. COlfax went on with his
questions. Once he retorted as follows: You
know you got the $1,000 as well as 1 do.
What's the use trying to get around It'll"
And at another time he said: The books show you
got the money and my memoranda show 1t; you
can't swear hard enough TO get out of 1t either"
Mr.. Cefax kept his temper pretty well under what
must have been a hard strain upon 1t. The bland
and smiling Chairman had several times TO inter
pose. however, when in exciting moments Messrs
Colfax, Kelly. and Ames were all trying TO talk at
once The proceedings were, possible, more inter-
esting than those of any day previous and the room
was packed with spectators TO the curious duel OF
words between the Vice-President and the Massa-
chusetts Congressman.
Cakes Ames has nOt-yet produced the memoran-
dum-book from which he processes TO have COPIED
his Credit Moblier account with Mr.. CofaX anu the
Others. The members of Judge Poland's Committee
are nearly all lawyers, and yet they seem to have
forgotten one of the best known rules OF evidence
namely that copy of any paper or document is not
admissible when the original is in existence and can
be procured Mr.. Ames ought to be required TO pro-
duce his book without further delay His failure 10
do 30 gives rise to suspicion that there are entries
upon il connecting other Congressman with the Z.
M. scandal which he is ANXIOUS to keep from the
Committee. His whole account with the Sergeant
at Arms ought also 20 be examined. He testified
that he deposited $4,000 with that official, to check
upon for dividend due members of Congress. de
has accounted for only about one-half that amount
When the Sergeant-at-Armss ledger was opened, to-
day. at Amess account, to show the payment OF the
checks to s. c." and "W. D. X" which he says
mean Colfax and Kelley inquisitive reporters,
looking over Judge Poland's shoulder caught sight
of John A. Logan's name not before mentioned, VINO
lie down for $329 the exact amount OF the DIVIDEND
which Mr. Ames says he paid to Kelley j. +, Wilson,
aud other members who owned ten shares Of stock.
CoLFAX VERSUS AMEs