New-York tribune., 1873-01-23

ABOUT MR.. CoLFAx's, SENATOR WILSON'S,
AND OTHERS SHARES.
IBY TELEGRAPH TO THR TRIBUNB
WASHINGTON, Jan. 22.-The following is the
testimony OF Oakes Ames, given before the Poland
Committee to-day, in full, far as it relates to
Vice-President Colfax, Senator Wilson, Congress-
men Dawes Garfield, Kelley, and Senator-elect Alli-
son. Cakes Ames recalled and examined:
BY the Chairman-Ihe Committee wish to inquire
little more in detail in relation to the various gen.
tlemen in Congress whose names have been con-
nected in this matter. We will begin at the begin
ing. Will you state to the Committee in reference
to the conversation that took place between you and
Mr. Colfax in regard to the Credit Mobilier stock'
A. l cannot recollect the exact conversation /
agreed to get for Mr.. Colfax 20 shares of Credit
Mobier stock.
O. Do you remember what time that agreement
vast A. No, Sir, do not.
O. Do YOU think it was about the commencement
of the session of Congress of lS57-Si A. think IL
was.
O. What further was done' A. got the stock,
and received dividend on it of 80 per cent IN
bonds; went to Mr.. COlfax, and he gave me
check for the balance to pay for the stock account
and for the bonds he gave me check for $534 and
some odd cents.
O. Did you sell the bondsf A. sold the bonds.
O. lie was to have the stock at pari A. Yes, at
| par and interest.
O. Can you give us the date of his cheekI A.
| think can; think the check was dated March 5,
| 1868, and was for 1854 72.
O. How did you keep your aecountsf A. kept
| them on scraps of paper.
| O. And this paper you have in your hand IS the
| original memoranda made at the time A. No. Sir.
| O. What is that taken from7 A. From my memo
| randa made at the time; the check got from the
| Sergeant Arms; he gave me check on the Ser
geant-at-Arms for 1854 72.
| O. Did YOU deliver the stock certfcatef A. No,
| Sir; don't think delivered TO him any stock,
either of the railroad or Credit MObier
| Q. This check which he gave you paid for the
| Credit Mobilier stocki A. Yes, Sir.
@. Were there dividends on that stock afterwardl
A. There was one dividends there were other divi-
dends on stock which 1 never delivered to him;
there was dividend in cash in June which did
pay to him.
| @. How large was that A. $1,000.
Q. Have you any receipt or voucher for that' A.
| No, Sir; gave him q check on the Sergeantrat-
! Arms and it is charged to me there.
| @. And you got this date from the Sergeant-at-
| Arnss book A. Yes never delivered to Mr. Col
fax anything else, and never received anything from
him except at that time; he paid me for the balance
| of stock and paid him a cash dividend.
Q. Have you ever offered him the railroad stock
| you received as a dividendi A. Never.
| Has there ever been a conversation between you
| and him on the subjecti A. None at all.
THAT $500 PRESENT.
O. Did you hear Mr.. COlfax's statement when he
was before the Committee the other day A.
did 80.
O. What do you say about that statement-about
his making present to you of $780, saying that you
might keep the $500 he paid you A. He made
some remark of that sort to me.
Q. Win you state what was the whole cOnversa-
tioR A. cannot remember that at all; he made
some such statements that he was sorry for my mis-
fortune, or something like that.
O. How late was that 7 A. That was about two
years ago-about 1871.
O, What is the amount of the stock you held, that
YOU received as dividends A. I cannot tell you;
have never footed it up; have never done anything
about the stock since these suits were brought up
by McComb hold it for all these parties until that
suit shall have been determined.
O. Why was not this certificate Of stock delivered
to Mr.. Colfax when the adjustment was made in
which he paid for it A. do not know of any rea-
son at all
O. Do you remember any conversation between
you and him about it A. No, Sir; supposed, as
have stated, that the dividends these small
amounts would be paid in New-York, and that it
would be inconvenient for the parties holding the
stock to collect them in person; / am only stating
that, however as my supposition.
Q. At the time you had the conversation with Mr.
Colfax, two years ago OF thereabouts was anything
said between you and him in reference to the own
ership of the stockf A. Not a word, to my recolec-
tiOn.
O. What did you understand him to mean by not
calling on you; did you understand that he had no
right TO call upon you for the $534f A. l db not
know; if did not deliver him the stock, certainly
i should pay him back again.
O. Did be call upon you to deliver the stock 7 A.
No, Sir do not think he did.
O. Have you ever refused in any way to deliver it
to him A. No, Sir.
O. You have held the stock ready for him at any
time if he wanted iti A. Yes, Sir.
O. Have there ever been any dividends upon this
Union Pacific Railroad stock A. No, Sir.
O. You have had no conversation with Mr.. Colfax
in reference to that stock as to whether he wanted
it or did not want it A. No, Sir; not to my recol
lection.
O. There was nothing said about the stock at the
time you had this conversation with him two years
agof A. do not recoect it at all |; do not think
there
O. At the time you paid him 81, 200, or gaze him
check upon the Sergeant-at-Arms for that amount,
did not Mr. Cofax understand that this was divi-
dend on this C. NJ. stocki A. suppose so / do not
know / 30 understood it; that is what it was;
whether he understood the matter is more than
know; do not know that gave him any explana-
ton; gave him the check.
O. Have you any doubt that you told him what it
vast A. cannot remember; when l suppose q
man knows a thing do not tell him again.
O. DO you remember whether he made any inquiry
as TO what it vast A. don't remember anything
about what was said at all.
| O. You supposed that it was understood that it
was a di iyidend you had received upon that stock