, 1873-01-25
WASHINGTON.
interview with Henry S..
M'Conb.
t!e Tells More than The Credit
hIoEilicr Committee FGnnd
Ont,
His Opinion Of His Cornpeers---.
Curious Inside Revelations.

Curious Inside ReVeitlt1Ons.
Front Our 0.cn Correspondent
WAsu1So1oN, jan. q, 1878.
The following interview has been in my possess
sion for several days, but I WIS forbidden to
print it until the Credit Mobilier Committee
should have gotten we'll through their work. I
do 80 now Of my own responsibility
SCENE.
Tho scene is q room On tho third floor OF VIII
lard's Hotel. Time, 8 o'clock p. N. Present,
"Gath," apparently not hearing anything, and
Colonel 3rConb, unusually communicative, for
the first time.
ssNhat Kind Of man :B
Colonel II Comb?'
"Well. you heard Bushnell testify to-day about
members OF Congress not having moral pluck to
hold their etock, DC. will tell you an Incident.
Bus11neu eaYe his check for $4,000 for 200
shares OF Credit Arobilier. He had no account
g.. nt eny rate, no funds, in the bank on which
t!.o chock vas given; and, it being ascertained
t!.st such was tho case, his check remained for
to years unpaid in the Treasury Of the Com
3,auv. It is my impression that the ;heck stands
there ret hIr. Bushnell collected al the diyi-
lands on the stock, rs if he had paid for 1t, and
got his stock and bonds in the Union Pacific.
The reason is, that he il looked upon as q
dangerous tool OF Ames, Alley, and Dillon, and
1]sey were afraid to get him out Of the road.
More than this, the books show that he has
roado away with o7er 5400, 900 Of their first
mortgage bonds a1dnevar accounted for them,
teai1es $112, 900 worth Of certificates for Coy
ernnent bonds. This latter Was debited to
Bushnell, and, by some kind Of queer book
keeping, they are charged to Shaw q broker in
New York. Mr.. Bushnell has failed once Or
twice at Least; would not tako his note for
81, ,6d0 I look upon lin ss blower, and, when
uc govo his evidence in that. showy manner to-
day, instructing mankind upon points of honor,
I felt ssnse Of pity for the Committee that
t1ev could not bring such shallow witness as
this down to the do:s.''
s'Tou heard the testimony, Colonel MConb,
Ct ,Ir. Duzsnt, whore he says that
JA.Hs HARLAN,
Of Iowa, got two checks, OF $1,000 apiece, while
he was Secretary Of the Interior, to elect him a
United States Senator. Is that all the money he
receirod?" &C..
II cannot speok about that. You will find
upon inquiry that he got ns much IS 10000;
but Dursnt is c generous, impulsive fellow, and
lie let up. You Lavo seen TINT Mr.. Harlan, in
Lis newspaper, has been saying for several days
ij;at the Credit Mobiler Investigation will pro-
duce no healthy effect, ought to be stopped, is
iniuring the Republican party, etc. The Com
1uittea failed to get all the points on Mr.. Har-
Ian"
of those who put any cash IN the Union Pacific
Iailroad in the first place:"
'1Yes, sir; the
So LARGEST sU5r OF MONET
IT'S eiyen by Thomas G.. Durant, in quantity
==9o.0d0- The next sum wss contributed by
Oliver Ames, $3.50, 600. Two persons gave S150,-
100 each, namely: John Duff and Oakes Ames.
The sum of $1G0, 900 was contributed by. each Of
tho following parties C. H. Mccormick, Benja-
min E. Bates, Josiah nardwel1, Bushnell and
N s5o, 900; air. Grimes, 81, 600, Mr.. Alley:
Cos, 600; and Mr.. James Brooks, S10,o00."
':.Wlnt did your $500 600 turn out p,
"By going into the Construction Company,
and giyEing ny time for several yea's. IS well =
my 00,000, to the work, I came out several
hundred Per cent ahead"
According to your statement, =, j.
OLIVER A1Es :
put down his money very literally foE Union
Iaeiae es stock; do yop consider him better man
:. Much better, sir. think his countenanco
shows that. He has some sensibi1ity and per-
sonnl character, in which, in my judgment,
Oakes Amea is entirely lacking"
II would ike to ask yon question, Colonel
MComb."
'.Go on, air."
AS a nan from tho Middle States, have you
found the New England men with whom sou
have actek in the Union Pacific Railroad lacking
inseasibiltI and Che finer sense Of honor as COM
Western msn :" 49, 1
IT will not answer that question to the preiu-
dice Of large section Of the country, because
rny luck was undoubtedly thrown with'indiffer-
different to the ordinary feelings Of .grown-up
men, careless about reputation, ready to take
tie penny ut the loss OF selt-respect. Let me
explain myself. Mr. Thomas c. Durant, on one
cc3asion, spat in the face OF John B. Alley, aud
proposed TO pull his ears. An hour or two
afterwards, in one Of Durant's fne. impulsive,
mngnanimous fits, he said to some persons
around lin: am going to take you al out
IL ny isa 1sht j " would n'dn. i b. M dGlGps nS9s
.l.ley, nnd that man coo1y rubbed OF the insult,
cEd went ont with the man who had just spat on
1,;:a. Oakes A1nes himself has just as little
s.nsibiity.. II they put up q monument, as tloy
1a;o Threatened, to oahes Annes, and tho boys
would laye been just ns insensible."
'colonel II Comb, you are acquainted to some
degree with the relative management Of the
CENTRAL PACIFIC
3e1E tluon IdCluC Il1Iuau; 10 you ullnQ blYI0E
.1e your idea rs to which OF tilos6 corporations
has bcen managed with the most ability and
character 7'' -rs~.r 80. -
1.-THE Central Paciac, uuquestiona'ily.; Its !,
projections attended to their business. cc1ne per-
sonnlly to Washington when: they wished my
thing done, and gave their whole conscience to
the work They we're too congenial OF too man
y 10 differ on such points as divided the Union
Pacific management, and you can see the differ
encs in tho figures. The Central Pacific stock
Is at par, md it's bonds are nbove par: The
Union Pacific has seen its stock down as low as
=. and At No time above 81, while it's bonds stand
T.: only 85." -
"Do you think that tile Union Pacific can ever
be made to occupy as creditnDle rank inan-
.:iauv Is the Central Pacihc?"
Not under the Amea' control"
"'pIease explain" -.
st mean that the: policy and tho personal
character Of Oakes Ames and John B. Alley wall
never give their road the responsibility which
fair, direct, and sincere business management
con1d obtain Their answers in this e1auina-
ton will sufficiently show their duplicity, and !
,Ir 'Ames has said, during tho coureo Of it, that
his securities are tumb1ing On his hands merely
because he is being found out" -
j" Do you think TINT