New-York tribune., 1873-01-25
THE CONGRESS SCANDAL.


propertyi A The 10 shares OF Union Pacific Railroad
stock into my hands time In February, 1858
in January February Of that year.
O. II there arc any other assets and IL there have been
dividends declared since then In stock or bonds please
give them TO me in their chronological order A. can
not tell you Just what they are now; have not the
record here there two three dividends think.
@ Can you swear that you hold property for me now,
ana yet cannot tell what 1t isl A. cannot tell you
without looking at my memoranda showing when re-
ceived the stock.
Q. State you can from memory, to be cor
reoted from your memoranda A should say hold
Union Pacific Railroad stock for you and
10 shares Credit Mobilier stock.
@. Anything else A. think also have some GER
ticaes for first mortgage bonds the Company we're not
able TO get tho bonds and exchange them for income
bonds the year sfterward.
@. About how muchi A. L cannot reoOllect the
amount. .... ......
O. Has there been any interest paid on any Of this
property of mine A. No. Sir 1t Is drawing no interest
Q. Is there interest due y0uf A. No; you paid for
your stock, and there IL no interest due me-
@. Is there any interest duo to me; want 10 know
simply In the capacity Of owner what am worth in
this world A. cannot state to you what Is due
will give you statement ...........
@ How soon can you furnish that list to the Chairman
OF this Committees list OF property or mine in your
handsi A. think get the data to furnish 1t TO-
day or tomorrow. ...-.-.--..
HOW THE STOCK WAS PURCHASED.
Q. How did pay for this Credit Mober stock A.
In the first place, you pay aud interest
from Ist July, 1867, for the stock.
O. Did never offer to pay you dollar of money A.
oh you offered TO pay dollar of money but
did you do you deny it
O. Did ever ask you for an Investment in Credit Mo
ber stock or anything else, did you invite
cept 1t A. do not remember which way 1t orgi-
nally know you agreed to take it, and did take the
dividend up to June.
O. Do you remember meeting me in front the Ebbtt
House. the south side OF Fst July IA, when joined
you casually that evening you seemed to be waiting
for car, when you rallied about having become rich
enough to throw 900 for subscription to the
Credit Foncier q A. No, Sir; do not remember that
@ Do you remember saying to me, after explaining
that that would be losing investment aud after being
assured by me that had to invest any way.
you said you could, friend put me in the way Of
investment that would probably be real and have
profit in It'll A. remember having such conyer-
satIon about it cannot tell where it was; know there
a conversation.
O. We're not you and members OF the National Repub-
lican Executive Committee, meeting together such
frequently that year, A. believe so.
O. Did ever ask you for Investment or about any
investment of minei A. have recollection of
investment except this thing.
O. What want to ask Is whether was seeking for an
investment. and whether suggested Itf A. do not
know whether you camo to me or to you.
O. Then want TO ask you whether you ever loaned
me any money! witness-At what time!
Mr.. Kely-At any time preceding this transaction
A. think did.
O. Did you not loan 5 to me because told you OF my
extreme embarrassment A. do not recollect; l
loaned you 500 previous to this aud you repaid it,
@. Did you loan any other sum A. have lot you
have since.
q. Did you not day before yesterday that you
had also lot me have sTOOI A. said let you have
$3.50.
Q. And sTO0l A. No. $3.50
Mr.. KeIey-I not here TO hear your statement but
understood that you stated both 500 and sT50l A. No.
1850; nothing else; that the 27th of September.
@ You state that you loaned me $500 previously; did
you subsequently let have the amount OF 81 900
A. No.
Q. You were mistaken then, on the 10th OF December
last in saying that you had loaned me 81 OOOl A. took
it from yon; you thought it 81 OOo you told me
previous this Investigation that mad 900 loan
from me- was willing to have it; could not remem-
ber thought memory must be better than mine.
PROMPT DELIVERY OF STOCK.
O. How soon can you deliver me my ten shares OF
Credit Mober stocki A. am ready to deliver now,
and you have the dividend. WITNESS here handed
Mr Kelley certificate for ten shares Credit MObiier
Stock
Mr.. Keey-You will please hand that to the Chairman
the Committee be retained by him for my use and
please make a statement of the dividends due
you cant A. Very well but if you do not
own this stock don't that you are entitled to any
dividends.
Mr. Keey-If do own 1t, as you state am entitled
to the dividends and wish have list of chem when
you can furnish IT A. Very well that's what agree
perfectly The certificate of stock referred to
here handed to the Chairman.l
Q. Then when shall have received, or the Chairman
shall have received for me- all the dividends due me-
will will \ Of ha doh in
any account whateveri A. The $3.50 you will DO
in part payment OF what am to deliver, suppose.
@. That Is what want you to state. want TO know
whether when have received all the dividends due
my stock, shall be your debtor personally A. II you
receive all the dividends you will owe me $3.50.
Q. Do 1 understand the ten shares Credit Mobiler
stock are paid for A. Yes.
@. How paidi A. Paid by tho profits OF the bank
dividend of February 80 per cent and the cash dv
dend Of June leaving s2S9 due you which paid you.
O. You appropriated these dividends then for the
payment OF the stockl A. Certainly. Did not you SO
understand
O. That is what want to understand; that is what
trying to got at now in the presence Of witnesses
you have sold the bonds which you say mine, and
have APPROPRIATED certain amount of cash which you
say mine do understand you that still owe
for the stocki A. No you not me for stock the
stock has been paid me out OF these dividends,
stated when all Of the dividends shall have been turned
over 70 you, you VIII tnen owe me the SIoO lOan
The Chairman here explained to Mr.. Kelley his under
standing of the witnesss statement .......-.-..
Q. think now understandit; Il; II you turn over sl
the dividends except that which applied to the pur
chase Of that c. NJ. stock, will, according TO your
account, then owe you s75oi A. Yes, Sir.
THE INITIAL CHECKS .-. .. .-
@. Mr.. Ames, did you hand me acheck marked
"w. K.p A. Yes, Sir b.. .o .o... f
q. You didi A. Yes, Sir; did. .' .
@ Did you hand these to other gentlemen whose
have been mentioned % receiving such checks A. Yes
Sir. ....-....,....
O. Were there other checks in which the initials were