New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-11-04


the lives Of these men, yet what we can get gives not
particle of support 10 your assertion Fagius and IRE
meius were teachers of Hebrew. IL giving them that
position involved recognition Of them as validity Or
daiped ministers then the Universities have sew
eral times given like testimony 10 the full ministerial
character OF Jews Valerandus Pollanus had no APP
poin tmen whatever in the Universities Church Of
England. He superintendent" Of the Church OF
the French and waloon Exiles at Glastonbury Peter
Alexander was priest and had been chaplain 10 Queen
Mary, the Emperors sister Original Letters L. OIL
Bernardine Ochno was born in Sienna, A. ID. 1881 en-
tered the gous order of Capuohns and In course OF
time, came be its General He was regarded as the
most eloquent preacher of the day. He was the friend
Of Cardinals and the Confessor OF Pope PAU III!
In his 55th year he became Protestant and now he ia
set forth a Presbyterian divine
The next item furnished Is the statement that IN the
reign OF Edward VI church composed OF foreigners
with Presbyterian ministry was placed under the
charge OF the Bishop of London and has thus remained
10 the present day. There is room for doubt as to
whether that Presbyterian Church submits to the a
thority OF the present Bishop Of London. fancy not
But what is proved by the fact state It'll Does 1t
HELM your positions Were those foreigners admitted TO
parishes the English Church on the ground OF their
orders If not why are they introduced ex
| cept to confuse the argumentl
Let the fact be known by every one that England re-
ceyed Hospitality those who for the holding of the faith
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the Archbshops and the King very kind to those
people, and allowed them follow their own usages in
worship And yet Sir, this was not done so COM
petey you may suppose Lest the disadvantages OF
| the nOn-EpscOpal mode should show themselves TOO
MAINLY the refugees we're obliged to submit to sort
of Episcopacy, like that of the Methodlss and the
European Lutherans now. Their first "superintend-
ents" were John Alaska and VaeraDdus PoLanus. al
ready named, and Bishop OF the Diocese where they
lived or Archbishop of Canterbury had supervision OF
ALL The ministers OF these people, IN place OF being
permitted you to suppose. to 20 among the En-
gish teach them their system were strictly forbid
den TO take any such They were tolerated not
| as Presbyteriaus, but exiles and so they were
strictly charged TO cOntne themselves TO their own
language, and not in any way to ntermedde win the
church affairs Of the country that gave them asylum
but am sorry TO say that they were ungrateiul ana
sometimes abused the privileges afforded Them That
the Bishops occasionally compelled To use their
authority you will see in the Life Of sandys well
Golfers History folio Vol H. pages 292 532 3d.
But to proceed with your defense. You offer me Mr.
Halam as a witness If he adduces proof Of what he
says he will be heard if not not He gives none and
so l set him aside.
| In the same manner and on yet better grounds
might dismiss Lord Macauay who so full Of party
prejudice that he never once gave favorable repre-
sentatiOn OF church affairs but his statement smade
by others that you quote, aud is in itself of great
Importance to you. it will be fully examined little
further on.
You offer also Bishop Bnrnets Postbumous History OF
HIS Times. Allow to say that there Is no work
of the kind extant from the unsupported statements OF
which 1t would be harder to arrive at just conclusion
on any matter whereOn the Wings or Lattudinarian
Churchmen had any interest. The book Is reperOry
Of gossip and partial representations, and is full OF mac
curacies If, however, you are not satisfied with my
judgment, read salmons examination OF IL. in vols
svo, HiggOns's Critique Even Dean swift's notes
will help you to decide whether il is worth much an
authority. Yet still. Sir will hear what he has to
furnish In the way OF evidence. Hisorcus Burnett
testified that up TO who to England had
not been required to be reordaned among us" In 1861
years OF age, and had been in England
in his life. sufficient witness, then, 70 what had
| been done among us previous to that date
| Hstoricus gives another quotation from him to the
effect that Scotch bishop so much desired
any OF the Presbyterians to be ordained He testites
very freely you see to the thoughts and desires of
other men, but the testimony, beside being very ques
tonable, is wholly Irrelevant We not concerned
with what Scotch bishops required of Scotch Presbyte
rans, but with the attitude which the Church of En-
gland maintained toward nOnEpiscOp ministers who
might wish TO enter her service.
Very loath would be set John Strype on the same
level with the meddesOme cosby Burnett and yet be
is more distinguished for honesty compiler than for
judgment. He is often in error and would mslead his
readers Sometimes this happens from his recording
other peoples opinions, when he ought to give facts
only. The quotations you make from him l regard
instance OF this 1t is not accurately quoted ia the
letter of HisOrcus and should fairness he described
his record Of what alleged in behalf OF Trayers
whose plea will he considered presently The settling
OF that will dispose OF whatever Srype says in
nection with it. But his Life Of Whitgft supplies
the best correction OF the mistake made in the passage
you quote from him.
Bishop Fleetwood, though partisan on the same side
as Burnett deserves entire credence when he states
things that he had opportunity of knowing The quota
ton his works fairly represents bis opinions, but
cannot furnish testimony. For observe, you say the
authority Macauay and these Others that the Church
became dtinctiyely Episcopal in 1901 but that previous
TO that year she admitted nOn-EpiscOpal ministers to
parochia Then ALSO it must have been previous
to 6 after thai date she under the iron heel
OF the Puritan. We thus thrown back 10 time
corning which Fleetwood give no testimony.
Writing in 1712 he, Of &C. pretends TO tell what
took place at the very least 16 years before he born
He must depend then, upon either documents hear
say-f the former why did he not refer 70 them If the
latter, what is il WORTH
It's easy show that his statement could not be
rect and that from his words in the very
OF which Hstoricus quotes the larger part. He says
the foreign Presbyterian ministers admitted "not
wthstanding the Thirynine Articles, notwithstanding
the rubncs, and Notwithstanding the canonsw IL So
then they were Illegally admitted and their
not be pleaded as proving the point at issue Bishop
Cosin also quoted but whether fairly not is not
certain. The letter to NJ. Cordel has never been pro-
perry authenticated, nevertheless may consider it
his. In It he says he knew OF persons who
with only Presbyterian orders, were admitted 10
parishes and that he "could instance many others be-
fore ms time" 1t greatly to be regretted then that
he did specify OF the many, or Of those
that lac knew. In that case Sir we would have an item
Of actual evidence which hitherto have not had. The
mere general statement counts for nothing, especially
as in Blrchs Life OF TOtson Cosin is represented
giving the of Nottingham for an example. This
case will be examined when have gone through all
tina: you and your friend have published, and 1t will