, 1873-01-25
CREDIT MOBilIER.
TIE POLAND CON,uTTEE.

3 TIE POLAND coN3nTTEE
oAKEs Aa1Es' cRoss-ExAaEsAT1oy.
~ WAsanIse1oS Isl, Ja1 245At the sitting Of hi
: Ing. Representative William D. Kelley cross-e1
; arnined Oakes Ames. The witness reiterated hi
! testimony that lls held, as the property Of HI
Kelley, 70 shares OF Credit Mobilier stock. The
, became Kelley property in 1868, when he pai
for them. The dividends the witness also hoit
for Kelley. uo also held for him 10 shares O.
Union Pacific stock, which came into his hand
carly in 1868. Besides the Credit AIobilier stock
witness holds for Kelley 40 so shares OF Unio1
Pacific stock, and some income bonds. ---<,
ME. Kelley then examined Ames as follows:
Q.-Can sou furnish the Committee with.th,
List OF the property yon hold for me?
A.-Yes, sir, think can by tomorrow. :. t
stock
An the first place you we're to pay MI
81 900 for stock aad interest
Odd ask you for Credit Mobiier stock
or did you nsk mo to takeit?
Al don't remember now, but know yor
took It had loaned Kelley money prior to the
Credit Mobilier transaction.
=, q;-MoE 3t :, soon can you del5yeE my ten shares
A.-[Ames producing certificate Of Credit Mo-
bilier stock from his pocket can deliver them
now, air, and the dividends you can have soon-
Kelley-Hand them to the Chairman, with the
| List Of dividends for my use.
Amea-[Handing certificates to Judge Po1and]
II you say you don't own them. don't see
| how you are entitled to the Dividends.
Keuey-But you say do os7n them, and in
| tend to make use Of them
Amcs-Certain1y, sir, that is what agree to
Q.-When receive these from the Chairman,
! will Or will + not be your dnbtor?
A.-Yeg, for $3.50.
Q.-How does that como?
! All you receive al the dividends, and
don't take my pay. you will owe me- s750, which
loaned yon: Tie Credit Mobile- stock was all
paid for By the first dividend Of bonds, and the
cash dividend in June following.
~. 3. (. =" 81 '''l 4-A10 'A' " ''''A '&'SFA'o
A--Yes, sir.
o-Wefs e there any otheF CHECKS e except those
A.-Ycs, Bir.
Q:-How many?
.A.-Ican't tell. I SEQ J. F. Wilson indorsed
his, aud Patterson Endorsed his. :
Anles to Kolley-You don't deny having re-
ceiyed s329, do your
Kelley-No, giT, don't deny having received
money, but do deny having received the check
alluded to ly Amea. I cannot remember OF har-
ing received it, and do not believe received it.
70 the beet Of my knowledge and belief, did
not receive it. I havo always regarded as q loan
the amount received from Amos. -,
Amcs-Didn't you ask me repeatedly when
you would get any more dividends on that
A--No, cir, I do not remember Of giving Amea
noto or receipt.
% Pix 2;gS Amss-What Was eaid when handed
Al cannot toll I had asked you few da5s
before for a loan.
A1nes said that Kelley had asked him about
dividends on the stock.
n. q. onpWAY,
Scrgeant-at-Arms Of the House. waa recalled,
and explained how the business Of the Office :vas
conducted, private accounts being Eert with
each member, rs they frequently sent drafts
home, etc. He produced tue books, and under
s5s9 + paid don on eheeS mspSed y; s. Sn'' and
signed Oakes Arnes." He also produced the
check, and testified ho believed it Tas in the
hand writing OF Ames.
ing with Colfax, Patterson, and Garfield last
evening, to determine upon the course they
should pursue to break down the testimony of
A1nes: Colfa1, he stated, left the city at
O'Clock, yesterday, for Trenton, N. J,
CLERKS CALLED.
Moses Dillon and Thomas 3. Preney. clerks in
the Office Of the Secgeant-at-Arms Of tho House,
were examined as to the checks and entries |
Tho former. who is Cashier OF tho Office, testi-
". D. K" or rs. c." to Amcs, if lie had handed |
it in. Anes mado a draft Of $4,000 to his |
private account in June, 1868.
Amcs-Win you turn to tho book and see il
check for S532 is charged to Colfax.
The Witness-1t is, but SEQ nothing to the
credit Of his account, except mileage and salary;
see no credit to the account Of Co1fax OF 81 200
check.
L. L. cRouSsE,
correspondent Of tho New York Times, was the
next witness. he testified that ho had quite |
number OF conversations with Ames OH the sub
tect OF this investigation, ut least five or six
times; had conversation with him about tho
It'll day Of JANUARY; thought it was after CoIfax
made his statement before the Committee.
Question BY colfa1-Did ho say he heard my
statement?
Al think he did; am not certain; as al
fr +Eo
lion that he heard it.
Q.-What did he say?
Ave had general conversation, aud call |
d his attention to the fact that your statement
ling. In response he made general remark,
nd I believe be eaid he had no record, but al
'ayH carried in his head those matters. think
9 said he presumed Colfa1 was about correct. {
hings in his head entirely; my recollection is
hat he said Colfnx is probably correct. He said {
othing about 81, 200. {
Ames-Did tell you colfa1's statement was i
OF probably correct? +
Al think so; I think you said probably cor +
sct. i
Amea-I said nothing OF the kind. s
Crounse-Then must say that will hare to \
ithdraw my confidence III your statements you 4
ado in regard to others. +
Anes-In your dispatches to 5eaterday's Il
in7es did you state the facts as they occurred .
,fore the Committee They were direct con- +
ADDICTION Of the testimony That is al know. o
that the character Of your dispatches? T,
Crouse-My dispatches to the times hare been r
ny fair? O
Ames-Yes, generally, but that one yesterday t.
Is very unfair and Tery untruthfu1. IT
Judge Black-Nhere WEB this conversation ! Il
th Ames? b,
All was ut his eeat in the Honse The wit u
ss inferred from what Ames said, that he had q,
pt no record OF the transaction between him to
II and Col{ax. II
Q.-Now what is your recollection "a to the er
eciee words Ames used ? OF
Any best recollection is that he used the n
}rds, 'probably corrsct." th
D1scTRsryE. tr
Ames-Weu, this ia noproof in the case, as fur R,
can eee either for or against. Of
Judge Poland Ito Ames)-1f you desire to
Ike ! statement in reference to the conve1ea-
n between yourself and Crounse, you can do IN
now, | tn
ames-Oh I had no Conversation with him. nj
nag mere casual coaTe1sation With him, and na