The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-09-07
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on them. l can turn them up at any time, but
District Attorney that / am not to he prosecuted
for this, and that | am to get iull pardon from
the Governor for my past orences; for you see
there are two charges against me now which
would send me 20 State Prison for fifteen years.
"would you surrender these documents II par
don was given your asked the reporter.
II would" replied Irving.
"Where are the other two men who were with
Zone Of them is new ID New YORK assa and the
other is serving out hlteen-y ear term at Sing
sing MGR OF at AUBURN, y answered irving: .,,s,,
asked the writer.
1--WE lett the house the next morning at six
O'Clock, going out the front way and we leaned up
against the railing In front OF the house. There
was man on the opposite side OF the street, with
dinner pail in his hand, and shop girl went by,
and they saw u.s. The man who did tue killing but
toned up his coat close around his neck, for his
shirt was bloody. His hands had also been bloody,
but he washed them in the bathroom"
what became OF the old mans diamonds and
his Watuhs" asked the reporter
them, il he had them, and Ii they were taken from
him they must M, have been taken from him by the
IRVING CORNERED.
At this point OF the interview Mr.. Z. D. Barnes
OF New YORK VINO Is on visit to TINS city, and Is
company with Messrs. Joseph Spear, Jr., and
George r. Wells and Detective Behen. MIR. Barnes.
and his brother Frederick, visited Irving for the
purpose OF satisfying himself as to whether Irving
was telling the truth or not.
Alter Mr.. Barnes had bid Irving the time OF night
he SAID
''Oh, yes," replied Irving.
az would ike you to describe him to me-" said
Mr.. Barnes; what does he look like ~
Irving looked at MIR. Barnes Tor a few moments,
and then said: HE looks something like you; he
had little side whisKers"
"YOu are mistaken there" said Mr.. Barnes "for
Wash. Nathan Is very Misunderstanding man.
Are you sure he had side whskerss"
very SHARPLY what are you trying to ' driSe at
Are you trying to quiz mer'
mot sad Mr. Barnes II simply ask be-
see II you are not conOundlng Fred with Wash.
Did you ever see Wash after the murders"
YES" replied Irving, al met him twice."
'WhereY' asked Mr.. Barnes.
al Chamberlans gambling house on Twenty
to him but to bid him the time of night"
"You say you had personal interview with
Ma aere was an ana he dd you get at what
the way from what he told you ?" asked Mr..
Barnes.
him there, but did not get at what his motive
was from what he said; but from what McAnay
was o very charitable man. He was President Of
the Mount sinai Society and several other Jewish
societles ana u was wen known mat WASH was q
father would disinherit him, or else not leave 30
much as he would to the others. he concluded to
have him put out OF the way 80 he could come in
for an equal share OF his property"
~ am told you said that you supposed that there
that you could have what was IN the safe for your
trouble. Is that so ~ asked Mr.. barnes
sort Of in the mate w od a Gs n as
we would find between $2sOOO and $500, 900 in
bonds In the safe; but there was only $4,000 or
'.YOu also am told," said Mr.. Barnes, .ssaid
that ~, WASH srn was fast young man DID you ever
.'No, never did, replied irving.
GLOW was that dog useds" asked Mr.. Barnes
"The man that old the deed struck MIN on the
head with the dog That dog came from ship
carpenters chest, and know where 1t came from
and know the man who owned it. lie would know
1t when he would see 1t, Tor he Is poor man who
would know his tools alter having used them"
"Well. suppose that you Will have an oppor-
tunity to meet Wash. face to face pretty soon,"
'.Yes, and when do" said Irving, "he Will
change COLOR,
DIDN'T READ THE PAPERS.
III presume that alter the killing you read all
the papers and kept yourself well posteu" said Mr.
"We," said Irving, ''that is one thing forgot to
state. did not read the papers, for kept shady
lived with my family in a house on Wythe avenue"
Mr.. Barnes closed this conversation, and the re-
porter asked rv y FEW more questions ana the
wife and daughter residing in New York city. that
ne Is a grand nephew OF the late washington IT.
wing and that his 1ather was q well known lawyer
In New York city.
Mr.. Barnes states that Irving's description OF
Mr.. Nathan Is not correct one for at the time of
the murder he did not wear side wnskers. He
also says that he knows Mr.. Nathan very well
trary, is a respectful well behaved and exemplary
person. lie states that Irving is wrong in his lOca
ton Of Chamberains saloon.
Captain Lee, who has been investigating the
matter since Irving surrendered himself, gives 1t
as mis- opinion that Irving Is not telling the truth
about the Nathan murder, although he has told
the truth in regard to matters OF which the
Captain has personal knowledge, and he strongly
suspects that irving Is trying to get back to New
York (his home) and receive pardon for past
acts.
This case Of the man Irving Is puzzle Either
asserts, or else he has cOncOcted very weak plot
to secure pardon for other offences against the
law as an advance consideration for dVulgng that
which he really knows nothing about. Thus far
his story is nothing more than any smart fellow
OF New York could have constructed from the
printed reports OF the tragedy.
WHAT IRVING SAYS ABOUT CHIEF OF POLICE DoNo-
VANS STORY.
The reporter read the New York Geographic
despatch TO Irving, alter which he assumed a SIT
dispatches over carefully, commenting upon them
as he read.
can't get my name right. My middle initial is not
felowss They have got this thing all mixed up.
that he arrested me on the Soth of July, 1870, and
below he says the murder was committed on the
''The MURDER was, in fact, committed or the 2sth
Of July, 1870, was 1t nots" asked the reporter in.
ayes, that's the date, replied Irving: Dbut what
does that proven Can't have been in the murder
on the 2Sth Of July and be arrested for the bur-
glary on the 3Otnf But ne's made mistake about
the dates. The simpson burglary was committed
about the sth OF May, 1870, but was not arrested
for that at That time. Now, the ldces were not
They were found in New YORK State, while Carey
and were IN New Jersey. They arrested me for
stealing the $4,000 worth Of laces; but they
couldn't dc anything with me on that, so they ar.
rested me for the Simpson case. This was on the
3Oth OF June, 1870"
"well how aid you get out to be in Nathan's
house on the night Of the murder?" asked the re-
porter.
"Why, got out on bail Judge Brady, OF the Su-
preme Court, admitted me to ball. recollect very
well that was in stew about getting out; Tor
the yachts Henrietta and Livonia were expected
every day OF Sandy Hook about that time, and
was In hurry to get out before they arrived, as
knew that II did not all the judges would be off
to see the boats come In and could not get any
one to let me out in time to 60 in the Nathan job.n
"how long were you in before you did this !opf",
inquired the reporter. ''Ony q few days. said
Irving He then looked at the B.lletin again, and
sald:-"Why, this thing is all jumbed up. This
despatch says that the Brooklyn burglary was in