New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-11-22
JOINT COMMUNION.
THE ARGUMENTS OF DIR. DRUMM soUAREUY

ENTERING WEDGE THAT is RENDING AsuNpfH
THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
To the Edftor OF The Tribune
SIR: Bishop Cummins, IN DIS coi''in ''i'AO''
hon asserted: For many years after tne oeSnn'"s
,he J,o,oration PRESBYTERIAN dvi1es were reeeVeu ~
ENGLAND and admitted TO parishes without reoruiVH'
- 80 Martvr and Martin Bucer. who held seats rs
sssors OF theology the Universities OF oxford ana
Cambridge" , ,,.,,,, 90 tho
xuot promnent representatives OF large nuuipeI VI
Soeners who held positions the Church OF England
DIR Drmm objects that these cases are mol 10 the pu
nose nasmuch as these divines had received Romish
orders Prof Fisher In his interesting article to-day
shows what Dr. Drumm ought TO have known that such
orders were Of more value In Cranmers view thdh
those OF Zurich or Indeed, later az the dis
tnrbance made about Dean Nottingham at Durham, in
1878 we hear the LordPresdent the Earl of Hunting
ton exclajmlng II could not but be i'll taken by all
she godly learned both at homo and in all the foreign
churches abroad that should allow Of the Popish
xnassing priests in ministry and disaoW OF the h
isters made In a Reformed church"
In support of our argument. there have been pre-
ssnted the positive declarations OF stype OF BISHOPS
Cosin Hail. Fleetwood. aud Burnet; of Keole Halan'
and Macaulay all Epscopalians together with John a.
Brodhead late of the New-York Historical Society,"
,ose stateoent will avail with some leaders, though
not An Episcopalian. DR.. Drumm acknowledges 'thaV
Dean Goode DIS Tying, Newton. aud Garfield, Win inc
Revs L. H Newton and Gallagher, have mace tho s'he
statement as Bishop Cummins IN their pubsneu VIII
tngs Against the declarations OF these 10 BISHOPS,
Deans Doctors and Others have the solitary denial
OF Dr. Drumm
We vould be willing TO leave me here with the
,uNlc-fe Jury before whom we now arguing this
uuestion. But inasmueh as DR.. Drnmm has written
book entitled "Vox Ecces" Of 500 pages, which he mas
recommended 10 Bishop CumUns In which he thinks he
has settled this question for all time, which book was
pubshed under the auspices Of bishops and clergy OF
The American Church, whereby its writer became
champion OF the party Exclusive Episcopaans main
tanning in said book that "the orders Of all nonEpco-
nal bodies Christians Invalid, and their minstrf-
tions without authority from Christ" 1t becomes the
more important to show now. while public attention is
more expressly directed TO this subject for the benefit OF
pr Drumm and others equally in that the EYelu-
ave Episcopal theory above mentioned was not only
not maintained by the Reformers Of England and their
immediate success sors but is private and pernioious
notion first held 10 England by Archbishop Laud, and
then embraced by the faction OF ProteStants In England
and this country who have followed him as leader.
Dr. Drumm demanded facts. He was presented with
one 10 the point-the case Of John Morrison, Scotch
Presbyterian. whose orders were fully approved by
Archbishop Grindal and who was licensed to preach
throughout England. The general acknowledgment OF
The Scotch orders by the English Church In public acts
was clearly made out But there other cases on
record. ALTER Hlstonous" in his able article has
gwen two from works not easily accessible He quotes
from Deaunes Plea for Peace in the Church" The
Df Simon Grynaus who was appointed Vicar OF
Homfrth near Tenby by Archbishop Hutton in 1893 tho
said" Grynaus having had other ordination than that
he received al Frankfort from the Reformed preachers.
Again he gives the very striking reply TO Archbishop
Ward, when questioned concerning two French Prot
DsanJ pastors in his DiOcese TITS pity that those who
pretend fault bishop for his acts do not know better
what their Church allows Those men were ordered at
IharenOn by the laudable form Of sister Church Of
ihe Reformation and that is in itself good order
Ing ours though not for this realm lawful until they
hign the articles " religion" shall not contend Tor
the cases of Nottingham or Travers They are Ger.
tsply Prof Fisher shows. as much for our side OF
The argument for opponents. But Let them pass.
We do not need them.
Another IS that of Dr. Delaune, who translated
the Prayer-B Book into the French language, and who
had been ordased by the presoytery at Leyden Bishop
tddressng MIN thus Reordnation we must admit
For mine own part, " you will adventure The
the living howsoeyer." (BIrch's Life Of TnotsOn, p
122 As overall framed portion OF the CaIeehism ms
authority Of some value Hone, IA ms hfe Oh Grin
a referring this subject says: " IN 1869 CaYelerus
or CeyslIerins a French Protestant minister, who in
1852 had the reyerson OF a prebendal stall at Caner
bury conferred upon nlm, was instituted TO that
following be was recommended by saniys. then Bsho u
OF London and Parker Archbishop Of Canterbury 70 the
brew and elected and heartily welcomed among them by
the University" III work entitled 1.-THE Rights OF the
Christian Church asserted against the R0mlsn, and all
other Priests VINO Claim an independent Powerove
" london, l77 We read Before the act OF uniform
iy there was nothing know Of 10 hinder persons or
ined by Presbyters from being capable Of Church pre-
fermont Francis Master OF tire Temple having no other;
md Bishop Morton sent one VINO was unknown
Go him, the ministers OF the WaDoon Church in Lon
don for ordination. who, being met ~ eoloque or
SYNOD did ordaln HIN, ana he had Dr0tnersllp OF THO
Savoy conferred Oh hun az minister OF the Church OF
the recoids " the Walloon Church ia London" p
II Dr. DrlmIn could take tho trouble 10 examine these
records OF that old WallOOn Church, which oven now
holds ITS meetings beneath the Cathedral OF Canterbury
he would probably md more testimony OF tins KIND,
and remove all dOuOuDess trom bis mind with respect
u the matter under discussion.
Bishop Morton. who successfully flled the sees of
Chester Lchdold aud Dlrham and lived over 50 years,
probably wen acquainted with the laws OF HE own
Church; Though among Tue higher enurcnmen OF that
into wolves there the presoytes regain them ancient
right Of ordaining call II ancient, because that the
same Is laid down by MaTslias, Gratian, DC" lApo
Cathol, Part L. Lib l. G. ~ Aud In his Profession OF
of foreign reformed churches the most learned and n-
dicous OF themselves have bewaled their misery Tor
want of bishops. And therefore God forbid that |
shCud be uncharitabe 10 ceusUrc them for no
rharcnesfor that which Is their niehcity ana not their
IsUlt"
our case then is this: DR.. Drumm challenged
Bishop Cumnlnss statement as above qnoied, CON
teTniHg PTesby terrain dYues holding Iyiugs IN
the Church of England down to the year 1862.
die argued the question In two long letters, in
when he asserts that he has :" shown that
there not particle OF evidence alone could Justify
the making OF such an assertion" With the unqueti
able law OF the and the Church against him His
tore1) s IT not better 70 confess that neither (hebe
pletey dspIOyed everything that and your friend
HisoTcus nave advanced in vindcaton Of has been
disposed Of and feel at liberty dd in the
rst letter which had the honor of addressing you,
you have no proof whatever, not particle OF
ground 90 upon In fact though You believed the
contrary, your statement j. untrue Is II not your
bOunden duty, then, Christian gentleman ana a
Bishop, to retract that statement 6sc. -
Notwithstanding TINS strong ana positive language OF
one whose similar assertion In his welknOwn book "VOX
Jccles indOrsed and recommended by bishops and
djvnes OF his church we have on the contrary, pro
duced herewith in proof OF the declaration of Bishop
CumInlns eight Wellauthenticated TO the point
VIZ CeYSeuu. Morrison, GryDeus. Delaune. Francis.
taendrni, and others admitted by Archbishop
Ward whose orders were thus severaly acknowledged
and ibdOrsed Oy ArchDslOps CranmeT, Parker, GrDda
Hutton. aBd Ware, and by Bishops oaDdys, overall ana
Morton.
Brother Drumm. were these prclates ignorant Of the