New-York tribune., 1873-12-16

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conduct OF public affairs who desired anything else but
! that It had scemed TO both Of those Committees in
cnInbent upon them first, although urged TO take up
and pass before the HOLIDAYS bill TO raise si2 00m by
increased taxation TO ask Congress 10 make tins appeal
10 the heads departments, in order see when Con
gress returned after the holidays, whether 1t was then
| possible TO refrain from this extreme measure.
Mr.. BUTLER tRep., Mass) said he was practical
man. and rather looked 10 practical results. He sup
ary the Treasury recommended there should be
tax tea and coffee and an Increase Of taxation on
Mr. DAwEs-Not on those articles alone.
Mr.. BUTIERNo; but so far. II that tax is to he pn
yield revenue. because. in addition to the immense
amount of whisky that would be distilled, all the
hands that it would escape taxation and the mer-
chants would import all the tea and coffee wanted fSr
have raised tine tax tea, coffee, whisky
aud without advsnnse are to to
have taxation on these articles at all 1t should I've im
three or four or five millions and pledge my word
that do not believe IL can be eight millions ol aeu
ton in the estimates ~ VIII pe 700 is ,ea ,1 whe we are
waiting get statistics OF this reduction. thc whoe
poration OF the articles which taxation is expected
Mr. DAwEs-Doos my COLLEAGUE mean to suggest the
proprlety OF at once imposing such tax -
MIR. BUTLER will come 10 tnat ia a moment say
| away from the Government and simply put INTO tue
hands OF the produce or imported goods 10
enhance the price. wonder. therefore why there mas
another suggestion to the country ana thts
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nonpaying interest notes; when the peope dcnnanu
for highpaying interest bonds, when are o ABROAD
| in Europe That VIII br, III my Jud@mcIi'
an immediate relief, relieving us in variety OF WAYS
| think the people demand, ana the country dcmanus
millions be saved pariDg here and there and men
| attempting "a taxation which VIII be huitiess. Nay
more think all this method OF taxation aud TINS prop
oson will only result TO the good OF those VINO desire
shrinkaSe in values by coming back 10 'hat ms, ni,
chievous dogma, the idea OF specie payments want
our currency made as good as specie, but any aea vi
substituting specie payment Tor II Is Geinsioh ana
| There enpVsr MASS
I systen, Of banking that was ever had
proposed Whenever specie to the of s6,OOooO
was called for banks have shut down and III spce
paving England as II is called whenever there has been
demand specie the of interest has Deen run up
until the merchants have been ruined and Whenever the
banks could moi up interest any longer they nave
called upon the Government to allow them 10 suspend;
therefore, would IKE to hear from our Chalrna o.
the Committee Of Ways and Means report OF ano tbef
measure of relief by loan at low rate OF interest
convertible and rcc0nyerble iuto Sreeneachs ,,o-o
| Mr.. DAWES--I Will not antagonize with my colleague
time discuss the question whether III II octtcf
To pare Gown, he calls IT. pube expenditure OF
TO meet eXtraNag ana unnecessary eNpehuIles "
issuing notes of indebtedness. even II we cohd 40 IL AZ
. low rate OF interest and at proper time. ! shaii
have no hesitancy IN TYNE 10 lneet G,c ,1 un
nguished collie before the House ana the c2hh! on
thai the people Of the country viii call upon us 10 re
duce every expenditure possible whether u WIN De
issue any notes to meet oar current eApeh.,s'
There can he no more i4ial oio~ IT., 20 hnH, tae
ia the markets OF tue world tban the suSes ION rom
league here tna il necessary for us instead Of put
ting ourselves on the most rigid economy possible, o
borrow money TO meet our current expenses Whatever
NAV be the rate OF interest fear that the reduction ia
estimates may not be much; know that IL WIZ h0 ne
| much. Could have my way abont it, the knife
would 20 into that block OF estimates and with con
| viction my part that would not he mpairng me
public service one atom. until the difference between
current receipts and current expenditures W'nld ho
sir. the book of estniatesi a marvel TO me. when
take up that broad book, unlike tha which used 20
carry here u9deI my arm IT a n m rd1 Ineg1S @ nnS 10
stand is that year after year the estimates ere kont on
increasing until this year, III face OF tins eAgenoy the
was year and about S40J00l more Than the actual
appropriations last year. and besides tha We nave De
6ciencies which recent eXigeucies make necessary,
which We have got 10 meet ana which no
deficiencies which. in my opinion II Is our duty TO
apply the that renders illegal rythne that per
league when he comes TO review this matter VIII see
that he had better jSn Iess w c eSmr M down n The
pendures. little while at least before ne pocllms 10
thoe who hold our bonds abroad and a; home that we
are in such condition financially that the ONLY way We
can the interest on our bonds now out ana our
expenditures, Is 10 increase our nleDrdnes'
| Mr. BIJTLER-My learned colleague, with ms uSui
adroitness has taken away from my argument on the
| main question and put his whole reply on pira,c.
| smoke OF pairing down. He may pare down, cut dONb
slash any way he pieases, ana WIZ go ~ lf a.
can in my judgment TO aid MN III rgld ccononl' pnt
holding open the question whether tea and coffee and
| whisky and tobacco shall be taxed wme he
is pairing, cutting, or slashIne, WuioheNer purase
| he likes best, is SIMPLY putting INTO ne
hands of the importer ana mannfae,urer ana agansI
the people, all the taxes that we pnt on, WithS vac
Government deriving any advantage lr9n IT, Iha Is
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cur credit in Europe ] have heard that before and
want to say and that we have had too much
are now sending S25OO0O0 In gold every year TO pay
tue them, ard the quicker they stop taking
our bond, better shall be satisfied have always
been told whenever said word aoont bringing back
the currency for the use OF the country ana bringing
make dividends of 10 OF 10 per cent ana lay up 20
snpa every ye WA wy sE wa" WE rs e o
the without any credit abroad ana men we passed
an act by which credit abroad was SO raised tnat
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cents the dollar we had to buy back at moor liz
do not want TO that process going on any longer
| am not ANXIOUS what tue Jew bankers OF &Ir0pe may
think about credit The quicker they stop oanine
us money happier shall be- II they send MS over
| what they now sending us, the strong arms and
willing hearts OF our emigrin laborers, shall be able
work out our own saivatlQ not III rear anu
The gentleman that these estimates are growing
wear by year that his fault! BY no means He has
portion 10 increase of expenditures He has got
tovernInent be thrown over Alaska he mas gOl new
deyeopmeng all over tue country, new oitceS 10 be
created new of Government 10 be carried on and
pad on hired ones 10 greater extent and when the
gentleman here to accuse the Rpnbcan pdfy OF
spons bic for administration OF the government
want him TO put in the same paper SO that men cannot
quote without also quoting the other tnat We have
! an increasing country year by year increasing IN
greater proportion. Let the bane ana the anudoe go
Mr. GARFIELD Rep. Ohio said that he had NJ,
desire to 20 into any wide debate Treasury notes aud
| Goyernmenl credit. lie felt assured that whatever
Jews IN Europe others might think, the House
desired 10 ha We Government that would have good
credit and that was careful regard of expenditures,
and that 1t raised enough 10 pay as II went.
There was good deal Of point III one sngges
tion made by gentleman from Massachusetts tir.
BuerJ to which he wished to call attention III was very
unfortunate Congress was not gong 10 levy TAX on
tea aud coffee to increase the taxation on whisky and
tobacco, that il should have been gwen out 10 the
country that the Treasury Department needed 10 nave
this increased taxation. He desired TO ask The Char
man OF Committee Of Ways and Means. whether that
Committee thought IL wise to divuge that desire to
te country II had divulged 1t he did not know how
II first got out, but II seemed to him that 1t was exceed
ngIy irnprudent the part OF somebody to publish
the country tine Treasury had TO raise $42ooO0Oo
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duty on tea, much coffee, much whisky, and
| go ,nucb on tobacco whether