The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-08-29
ROGERS IRISH RECORD.
His Habit Of Going After the Tipperary
Hounds, Followed by Crowley.
Names of Military Men and Civil
ians Who Also Knew
the Heir"
II Last Saw Him at Euston Square,
London, in 1854"

SPRINGFIELD, ILL.,, August rs, 1878.
It is somewhat singular to see the interest taken
out here in the developments OF the famous ITCH
borne claimants case in England. Renewed in
terest was recently excited by the publication Of
private letter from John Crowley well known
veterinary surgeon Of this city, to newspaper
friend In which the statement is made that he the
writer Of the letter. was personally acquainted
with Roger Tichborne early in life, and served him
IN the capacity Of riding master. Agreeably to In
| structi0ns your correspondent called upon Mr..
Crowley last evening with u view of elicting from
him more detailed information concerning his
knowledge Of Roger than he has heretofore made
public Mr.. Crowley was found at his ONCE at the
livery stable OF the St. Nicholas Hote and after he
had attended to caller who was present to secure
his veterinary services for the morrow, welcomed
your correspondent.
Mr. CROWLEY
Is gentleman OF the old school, who, while rigidly
maintaining an old time dignity, occasionally
brightens up and becomes quite loquacious, and
witty, also, after the manner OF his countrymen.
He Is medium sized, dark In complexion, with hair
literally sprinkled gray, and walks as ercctly and
with as much precision as though all his life SOL
der. After your correspondent had seated himself
and produced the inevitable note book the follow
ing conversation ensued:-
CONSEQUENTLY Crowley. at the request of
the NEW YORK HERALD, have called upon you to
learn such facts connected with your knowledge
Of Roger TichbOrne as you may feel willing to CON-
municate.
Mr.. CROwLEY-Well, ! had not originally in
tended to make public anything concerning the
matter; but inasmuch as 1t appears to have been
made public, at least partially, may as well tell
the whole story, and the NEW YORK HERALD will
probably make 1t more fully known in this country
and in England than any other paper.
CoRREsPoNDENT-Did you not write letter
about the matter some time ago, in the expecta
ton that 1t would be pubsheds
Mr.. CROWLEY did write letter to personal
friend in Chicago; but it was merely letter of in
quiry, as l thought he, being a reporter, might
know where Mr.. Whalley, the claimants agent
was, in case he had arrived in this country, and
might bring about a meeting between Mr.. Whaley
and myself. The letter was not intended for pub
ncation, and wrong impression seems to have
been drawn from it. ! would like to
CORRECT THAT FIRST If YOU PLEASE.
CoREsPoNDENT-ln what particular is this err.
roneOus impression
Mr.. CRowLEY-Well see that it ii stated by
some of the newspapers that Sir Roger Tchborne
boarded with my mother, who Is stated to have
kept hotel In "Clogher," Tipperary county, Ire
land, where it is stated that Sir Rogers regiment
was stationed. This ia wrong My mother died in
ls4s, before knew Roger. My mother-in-law. Mrs.
Keating, kept q hotel In Wellington, st. Cahir,
when the regiment was stationed in that town, and
the officers sometimes called at the place. and 1
have met Roger there; but usually met him in
the hunting field
Observation-Disclosures did YOU first become &C.
quainted with Roger Tichborne.
Mr.. CROWLEY In 1851, In the town Of Cahir, Tip
perary county, Ireland.
ance %
Mr.. CRowLEY.-wen / knew Sir Roger we'll and
MIN up p' to 1854 hunted With h him about three S
times week with the garrison hounds.
CoRREsPoHDENT...His regiment was stationed
there then, was II =
KNEW SIR ROGER WELL
Mr.. CRowLEY.-Yes it was in garrison there. He
was lieutenant in the sixth dragoOn carbneers.
Imet all the officers OF the regiment frequently and
knew Lieutenant Colonel Hay, who was in CON-
mand, and Major Jones, now Colonel, also Captain
Morton, who think commanded the company Sir
Roger was in, and Captain Manders, then pay
to it, 1 knew Sir Roger better than the others,
though, and saw him oitener, in fact nearly every
CoRREspoNDENr-You were his riding master,
Mr.. CRowLEy-An the instruction he received
was in the habit Of riding with long stirrups and
made him shorten them because he could so ride
more advantageously about the country
CoRREsrONDENT-Can you describe Sir Roger as
Mr.. CROWLEY can; stand up. He was little
taller than you-perhaps about five feet nine
inches-and weighed about ten stone t14o pounds)
j think. lie was quiet and uhassumiDg and per.
feet gentleman in every respect.
CoRREsPoNDENT--Your description does not
exactly represent that Of the claimant, as remem.
MIR. CROWLEY (forcibly)-I was speaking Of Sir
RGas GSarsposDrs7-rnen Won do not think the
Mr.. CRowLEY-T don't say anything about that
Inever saw the man; II could see him it wouldn't
take me but minute to say II he is Sir Roger
CORREsPONDENr-we viii refer to that point
again If you please. After he left Cahir did you
ever see Sir Roger
Mr.. CRowLEy-Yes, met him in Dublin and in
London several times
CoRKgsFoNDENT-And where did you SEQ him
Mr.. CRowLEY-The last place saw him was at
Euston square station in London; that was In
CoRREsPoNDENr-You knew Of his leaving the
country
MT. tRowLEy-oh, yesi l didn't leave the old
country until october, 1855.
CoRREsPoNDENT-Had You heard any rumor OF
his probable loss previous to leaving
Mr. CRowLEY-No, never heard OF IL until the
| legal proceedings began.
| CoRREsPoNDENT-have you ever been invited to
testify In the case, either for the crown or the
Mr.. CRowLBY-Never.
CoRREsPoNDESr-How do you account for it'
| Mr.. CROwLEY-Well perhaps they didn't know
where was, or may be they didn't need my testi-
mony.
CoRREsPoNDENT-Bu from what you say should
| think you would be able to say whether the claim
| ant Is really Sir Roger; hence your testlmeny
would be very important.
| Mr.. CRowLEY-if any man can tell that can.
| Why, a sight Of the claimant would be enough for
me; then
| COULD TELL IN A MINUTE WHETHER HE is SIR
I ROGER.
| CORRESPONDENCE would have no trouble,
suppose, in establishing your own identity as an
| instructor in riding to Sir Roger
Mr.. CRowLEY--Nota bit. There are plenty OF
\ gentlemen yet living in the old country who know
| me- and for that matter knew Sir Roger Mchborne
| as well as did. There are George Cough, OF Con.
mel, Tpperary county at that time master Of the
tce OF the Peace at Baliyphiuip In the same county
also his brother John, OF the same place, and, IN
fact, was known by all the gentlemen riding with
| the county Tipperary Club hounds az that time,
and many Of them are still living
| UoRREsPoNDENr-These parties You have men,
| toned, you say, knew Sir Roger Also
Mr.. CRowLEY-Tney did,
OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES any OF them been, called