New-York tribune., 1873-01-07
TESTIMONY OF JOHN B. ALLEY.

TESTIMONY OF JOHN B. ALLEY.
John b. Alley having been duly sworn, made
The following statement;
Iwsh 20 say first with regard to Mr.. McComb's state
~ m Ii c i MSer soeS At bis intercSss1on. or as he
mod es It. to MT Nelson which the same thing,
had conversation whatever OF the kind re-
icrsfd 10 10y Mr MeSom6 never gave or sold snare
At stock IA the credit MOohler 10 Mr. bIo9As S VI
negotiations or understanding or talks with nm or
Nuy other member Of Congress with view 10 gave
him sells him one single share OF any number OF
SHARES of The stock OF the Credit Mobiher. 1 DO
sayuc that neither directly indirectly in any shape
manner, 0ld ever propose 10 give or sen OF
d.recy or Indirectly with Mr. Brooks Mr. Nelson by
through him or them or any other party or person
him IN my life, and never had any eonversa-
Ion with ANYBODY rom m or through nm On dreety OF
thdecty' there could not be more thoIougn anu en-
tire fabrication from beginning 10 end than the state
ut Oi MCCOmb.
CASE or Mr.. JAMES BROOKS.
b. the Chairman-Right here, ldr. Alley let me ask
YOU IN ~ gard TO the 100 shares OF the Credit mober
fiock said stand the name Of Mr.. Nelson on the
books of the Credit Mobiier Dou you know anything
~ reference Mr. Brooks having any interest in that 100
q Have YOU any information upon that subject! A.
Gone except what nave obtansd since tls 1 E
only information have the subject Is from what ne
o You never had any knowledge or belief that 100
shSes belonged TO Mr. BroOksl A. No, Sir never had
ANY suppose that they belonged to Mr. Brooks
other than this; when come 10 that VIII explain what
o Suppose you state it right here's A. 1t will come in
In0re properly at another point
q 81 Tar as Mr. McCOmb's testimony goes in any way
90 impicate you, ~ wholly about Mr. Brooks and
The Committee want to know all you know, and to hear
ali want TO upon that subject. Pase state All
you know reference TO ownership in the Company by
MI Brookswbether he did or did not own any stock,
and whatever passed between him ana you upon the
no knowledce Whatever OF Mr. Brooks ever owning one
stock since this Investigation commenced and
tie charges made asked Mr.. Brooks what there
MI McConb any impression of that kind or that had
anything to do with giving any stock to hlIn OF his SON
q We do not ask you what Mr. Brooks says about it;
IN AL OF your connection Win thls company as an orosr
having any OF the stock Of the Company A have no
knowledge whatever OF his ever owning share Of that
siock directly indirectly; whatever.
q Did Won ever have any conversation with him about
lis becoming an owner OF shares a NO, SIR, never
q 10 you know anything in relation to any OF these
dealings between Mr. Ames and any OF the members OF
Congress have named in relation 70 shares IN
fhis stocks a. j have something that would Ike 10
cay IN relation TO tins matter little further IN regard
Mr Brooks il order 10 show TO the committee that
from the very circumstances OF the case IL would be
ot pOss Dlebut exceedingly improbable thstI should
have had anything TO DO with him IN any such conhden
ucrc that time my relations 10 Mr. Brooks were
n altlgouistc character was politically opposed
to Lil. opposed TO him IN The management OF
Union Pacific Railroad Company; his views did
not correspond al al with mine; ne was IN favor OF
kr hcComb ana ms party; did not feel any confidence
.ich ~ -" relations 20 Mr. Brooks that I could not
m ADDITION 10 that lei me say that so far from wanting
Inn 10 uc Government director. and giving him fifty
Shares stock To induce him TO become Government
aaeciOF, was opposed 10 his being appointed to
that position, and did ali j could TO prevent his
bting appointed. / was III favor of another man,
and fog tie reason solely that have stated think
II. able man, but he and did not coincide
"a our regard 10 the management Of the Union
T4chc kalroad Company after Mr. Brooks came in as
Gotehment director ana lOund now thngs were ne as
CeltlIued that my views and statements in regard 10
this man AcCom0 eorresponded with ms own; after
ward. when he had some experience as member
Of Tie toard Of directors, and ms frankly told
suLssQuen 10 that time when he became stoekdiree
a. was III favor 81 s election as SUCH and he has had
hesitation since that time ine ia speaking Of MIR. Nc
thai MI McCOmb's feelings toward adverse
Hs they could be- have nothing further 10 say that
point unless the Committee wish 10 ask me further ques
now Mr. ALLEY WENT INTO IT.
g II you know anything IN relation TO any matters
that have spoken Of here respecting Mr. Ames
any OF members of Congress, any all of the
transactions referred to- you may state i A. would
90 into the whole history Of this CredMobilier
bnsiDess.
'Eiiness-Then viii just confne myself to statement
uf facts bearing upon this particular matter, but
sorry the Committee will not allow me TO go into the
whole history of the Credit Mobher Fknow that when
Mr. Ames INTO the Credit Mobilier IL bis habit
20 Try and get everybody into It be TO
nc at that time was then member OF
with rather peculiar, let Inc go back a little
aud state that when the hil was passed ID 1864 MT
remember that the feeling OF the House ID favor OF
TaCb6 Railroad was intense, when the eHecuye prOV
p1Ons making practicable 10 build the Pacific Railroad
Jeoane "a law Ia 1864 you will remember that nearly
everybody IN favor of building the road on almost
any terms; Mr. Lincoln, President OF the United
fisaies with whom was intimate, SAID q great deal
be urged me "a 20 Tor H. did not Ike the
Iiovsion m tue bill about the lands and said 10 Mr..
Ames that thought It was too good grant altogether
MT. Amee remarked that ne thought IL was none TOO
good bE he said that the Committee desired II
much, aud everybody was IN favor oi the racine
Railroad be made this remark; " You would
DOT sUch foolish Thing as 70 put your money into IT,
good BIZ az 1t is;' ! replied, No, would
every ntSuber OF Congress from kewEngisnd, and IL
10 all parts OF the country IN favor OF II
sloe who procured the passage of this bill thought the
~ q York aud enlisted capitalists ~ the amount Of
lsf a million; after spending that half million II
roke down tulstanially the gentlemen WHO had SUD
sa what tnty had put IN than 10 70 further and risk
tlr ak Nj. BiDcs came TO me in August 1855 and said
rltre gentlemen came on 70 zee me; nave been look
an. tnis tbinc over and think II II practicable
>, .tI.e, and ] want you to 80 IN With
pc i' - i ,ald no Mr. Aines: No man or body OF
i1on bud that railroad under that charter ,
v1ih tLesc provisions m Win sey ,h poS ,, vas
,t,stIllIty; that would invest money In
"A win The PROVISIONS Ia which referred, w9n Vas
~, men unn SIOOO0O.0O had been subscribed and
~ st "A share OF the stock should De s0ld ~ Iess
LaU par; toid mn, nm 'hsI 1nn, LIZ the road from
I. ne 6alt; be replied . Enow mat because noDOoy
i lne1 Will take that responslD&y & ~ sbi me nsy
s H. ret cOurO Of the road: DOW capitalists are gen
rally ,sry tiInid; at that time EDew that ~ wond De
,lsutGiy impossible 10 get capltasts 10 invest to.o
s.1 In ,perlmeut; thought everybody regarded u
>, t1sf nr6Is 4 o0nyersed with Members OF Congress
iOUt II, and they agreed wltn ne We'll Ish ht,n anS
"a Le oid 40 because he regarded me as capitalist
q was very much mistaken In tbat sno sala nc |
40. II eil yon this il great thing" be put his hand
own Oh my deal in my counting room; ssd' |HES