Vermont phÅ“nix. [volume] (Brattleboro, Vt.) 1834-1955, 1873-12-26
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Friday evening, Dec. 10. Discussion Of
the Grange ques ion continued.
w. II. KimbalI- Sinco il Is our purpose
to continue our discussion from last week,
we may, perhaps, rpfule some things that
have heen said in relation 10 the practical
working of tue oranges. In answer to Mr..
Wizards question about the corn, prObl-
hly MT one bali the amount consumed in
New England could be raised on New Eng
iand soil If we must purchase, we had
better forward direct to producers-one Of
the lixed principles proposed by the erano.
es. The peoDle of Connecticut knowing
that we raise the hest corn for bread could
through their grange forward direct to us
aud rece'vei tqt the lowest price afforded.
There apRtars to be n misunderstanding
about the qrOube with the oranges. The
Boston grange has heen branded as false to
the principles IF the order-but it is de-
CARED ny good authority that its interests
are identical with the interest Of the farm
er1. The trouble West was caused by 20.
liical Influences.
y. ID. Keyes-I certainly do not see how
the Farmers of New England are To be ben
Gifted by the oranges. As to the secrecy OF
their organic Ition / have nothing TO say.
do not think any man or set Of men can
affotd to purchase without fair fenutneia-
tiop. The railroads must also receive fair
pay FOR transportation. 1t is plainly cvi-
dent that the different oranges do not pull
together. The tendency is to rule and over
rulr. Nothing fItlering in their future
success has vet made its appearance
u. c. Wright fail, ms yet, To see any
benefit TO be derived from the grances.
The supply and demand have always con-
trolled the prices, and they always will.
NJ. w. Davis This is pubic question,
and confess that l approach il with deli
cacy. We were among the first in the
State TO be consulted in relation TO the
oranges. The effort TO organize one in
Westminster provec a failure. am not
one of those who believe ii for our interes t
to do away with middle meu. l believ o
that large pr p J-iiUn of them are bene-
iii to the farming community. The grane-
es prosper in the West, but not in New
England. Why? The fact is, ii is rail-
road question. The whole aim and object
They may not now represent them SO YES
MS Interested in political affairs. but as soon
as they are strong enough 10 make il paw,
they Will make themselves interes, ed. Ey.
cry schsm must have something in il that
appears like honesty; then you can fill up
as YOU please. If men will act literally,
there is no need Of oranges. IT we are go
ing to benefit our iellowmen morally, So
cia'ly and intellectually. why not open our
hearts 10 every one, and invite them to
unite with us in the benefits, if there are
any benefits to be derived? / can see how
gianges can be made 10 benefit Western
farmers, but bow they are 10 benefit US.
have yet to learn. / believe this club can
purchase grain Just as cheap as though it
WIS organized as IL grange, providing we
should undertake to do a certain amount of
business. ] believe that we should work
together. Why We cannot full AS well I'M
der the name of farmers club as farmers
grange, i question. Let us exercise our
influence. If the oranges are likely 10 ben
etit US. we want to know il.
Kimball-Does Mr.. Divis think that we
can order corn and obtain it as cheap as
men that purchase every day?
Davis-I d., providing we do The same
amount of business. an certain that we
can send to Boston and purchase many ar
tices as cheap aS many, aud perhaps any of
your merchants. More than this. / have
been assured by particular friends in the
West, that they can forward corn TO us as
cheap AS ii can be furnished TO any other
class of men in New England.
Geo. Sabin-I suppose Mr.. Davis is as
firm in his belief as I am in mine; but we
d iier All other men have organizations;
why rot farmers? know that l do not
ret fair price Tor my produce and have
no faith 10 believe that ever Shall while
laboring single handed. The oranges
promise to do all that farmers clubs do.
and much more, by binding their mem.
be"S together. do not like secret societies.
bnt am willing 10 throw aside my preiu.
dice if can be benefited by SO doing. /
am anxious that the patrons of hu Sd mIry
SHOULD prosper, hecause l believe thlt we
can be benefited by thcm. Tle old STYLE
OF farmers clubs were good in their day,
but like many other organic ilions they
nave become things Of the past. The prob
able influence ofthe oranges is very fllter-
ing. They have nothing TO d. with poit-
icil affairs So far a l know; yet should a
grange arrange TO support a particular
friend the order would not be to blame.
Their object is TO correct evil, and they
will probably do it.
Adjourned one wees, TO meet with Ma
than Fisher, Friday evening, Dec. l9h.
Same subject.