New-York tribune., 1873-01-07


O. he beinr m Congressf A. Yes and Government
Director at the same and the Of shares
Credit Moblier stock beside that which his son-na
held at the time. although a Government Director.
Here followed an attempt by Alley TO entangle Me
Comb in regard Mr. Brookss membership of the XLth
Congress Finally the latter made the following state
ment Ny recollection is that the latter part OF 1886,
or early part 1867 Mr. Brooks shares OF
Mobier Stock and had it transferred TO Charles NJ Neil
SON his son-in-law Mr. Durant pay him 5000 in
dividends or IN excess OF dividends and ut another time
have as said. memoranda in regard another cir
cumstanoe by which can hK the time whom Mr. Alley
and Mr. Brooks had the conversation referred 70 WITH
regard To the 90 shares of stock and heard Mr. Brooks
in that conversation distinctly that be would take
care OF the Democratic SIDE OF the House. noted 1t
al the time.
viii tell you what led to take especial interest
in these conversations between Mr. Alley and Mr. Brooks
While the Negotiations were in progress Mr.. Alley
pressed great disregard and contempt for MI Brooks
and Mr Brooks about frequent In his expressions
OF kindly regard for Mr.. Alley. They both appeared
separately TO have about the view OF each other
II dsgusted me with them both. The Union Pacific Raj
road Company occupied three rooms in building at the
of Cedar aud Nassau-sts. The corner room on
Cedar-st. was occupied by Mr.. Durant.
Witness here explained in detail the relative position
OF each Of the there table in the second
room not 90 long M this at which was Writing, "heh
OF the table and discussed credit h0DlheI s'oeh Mt
Brooks imporing Mr. Alley to give the shares to
him, urging that he mad rendered services when he
Thought we're worthy OF return.
Mr.. Alley Thought II was pretty good thlng, ana ad
%. "A
agine. They had several interviews, and heard the
conversation take place 20 which have referred to
when mentioned that Mr.. Alley awarded the stock and
said Mr.. Brooks made the remark distinctly that ne
would take Of the Democratic side OF the House
O. Then, when these arrangements were made, there
was no significance IN that remark unless ne was nen
Der OF Congress a. Or expected TO BET
q. But you net sure whether he was member OF
Congressq A. l say that is my recollection.
Q. Would there be any signincance unless De was
may have regarded II as for past services OF ne may
have taken care Of the Democrats outside OF the House
Q. Does your recollection confirm your remark now
that he was member Of Congress A; MY ree0ectoa non
he made 70 you aud the reply made by you was Well
guess we win have lot him have it, but cannot now
mere foIlogs an attempt by Alley to make MeComb
tx Che exact date] The examination then continued.
O. You say tha: Mr.. Alley finally consented 70 give
nm SD shares of Credit MObeT stock, and that II was
transferred Mr. Brooks or his son-iniaw, Nelson;
when that given, aud when was IL transterTedi A
/ have said that the argument was made while Mr..
Durant was IN Europe; MI Alley Kept tTom
igJratve expression. the records Of the Credit
MObilier sealed 10 me. Anything L
mat mad obtained it, SO that did not have OppOr
tunity to look and see when the transfer was made
would ike 10 say the Committee, that bringing mere
the cashbooks and ledger and all the Credit MObeher
hooks laying them down tins table, would enable
me answer great many questions that could not
Then You cannot state the date of the transaction
A. Not being officer of the Credit Mobiler, ana not
being present when the certificate was transferred
cannot say as to the date.
10 Mr. Brooks or Mr.. Neisonl A. My impression Is
that Mr. Brooks undoubtedly too smart TO take IL IN
o Yet Won say here that gave it TO Mr.. Brooks7 A.
II saw your pocket-oooK gwen into anotheT person
hands, I would stir say it your poeketbook.
O. But you do not know whether II was given TO MI
Brooks TO whom you transferred u, l DO not know
Here follows irrelevant matter IN regard 10 dates
By The ChairmanYou understand that the 100 shares
OF stock you speak Of really the property OF MI
Banks A. On, yes everybody about the oihce under
O. Did you know anything about the original subserip-
ton Of that 100 shares' A. had rather MI DuIant
would answer that question: got my information from
him, and could Onty answer Dy hcarsay -,,
O. You did personally know that MT BROOKS received
ceivns dividends and that Mr. Durant Qua not thnk ne
ought TO have them Mr. Brooks took az one Ine s6oo
transaction; ! present in the room ana heard MI
o. can you give US about the umef A. / would
rather Mr. Duraut would answer that II as after the
organization Of the credit slooer, %no ne o1e N Se,
and Cedar-s: did not count the money tnat was gwen
claim that there much money ne ought TO nave
nt % tGin ne was entitled 10 it not say
tbt savt anv money pass or nythng of that kind
q In regard the 90 shares which you heard Mr..
he claimed thar as additional stock he would be en-
tled 10 from his original suOserlpuOnf a. NO because
he would entitled that under the resolution oi the
o. he would then have been entitled 70 30 shares
Yes Sir; allow me TO say this; Every man who stood
ON the books OF the Credit MObier al the time the stock
was Increased was entitled 20 his percentage OF n-
crease: increase was In this torm' Ile directors
of the Credit Moblier, the large stockholders
Mr.. Ames among the NUMBER agreed re- i.o ooo TO
increase the stock 10 the extent OF s,25O,OOO;
il was g 20OOOD0 before; with that increase they
gave Union Pacific Railroad bond for each share worth
the price OF the stock so that the person could se MS
bopd and pay FOR stock he chose TO- For instance,
if had shares OF Credid Mober original stock that
would give me so new shares ana $1,000 Oi bonds
ond give my check for 5000 get the stock, and with
il %. 900 in Ueion Pacific Railroad bonds.
0 You understand that tins 100 shares or STOCK,
which stood III the Of Mr.. wilson, was really MI
BroOks's stock A. Certainly. .,.,,.,
q. And he would therefore ne entue9 ~ Ihe Dlessed
privilege Of havingi5O shares additional stock, and the
bond Do you know whether le ever dd nave that %
sharesi A. don'tknow mat ne ever Ildi III ms own
name. @. Do you know whether the 100 shares winch
stood in the name OF wilson eyer received It's % shares
10 which IL was entitledi A. do not.
O. DO you know that these 90 shares "hlch YOU say
he entitled 70 by tins arrangement 4. i 90 NOT
say anything or that kind at el OnlY Know thls tDat
II he had q right IT, he had no occasion 20 beg MT
Alley 10 let him have lti ne cOuId nave go1 n oy ue
manding il, without putting himself under oDhgauonS
Bv Mr.. AIey-o. You stated that Mr.. Brooks was at
thar time either director said he would have hlsen
made Government director; now. II he was Govern
nent director at that uIDe, Hhat Was the necessity Oh
making himself sol A. That Mr.. BROOKS can petter
By Mr. Bsnks~Q The idea is that you not sure
whether be sald nc Government director or wOud
good deal Of trouble that time 20 who should he
appointed; Mr. AInes wrote me iettef' wanting 70
nave a certain gentleman appointed wanted 10 nave
senator Bayard appointed. -,,-
Bv Mr. McCrary-Q. Who is the Mr.. Durant OF whom
b.
fbe Credit MObier aud displaced by these people.
o Where is he now ? A. ln New-fO think Mr..
Durauf 10 my knowledge, mad taken proceedings, or
was about taking proceedings, 10 make Mr Brooks re-
pay these 80 shares OF stock saw tne papers as
prepared IN which Mr. Brooks is charged with receiving
So shares Without consideration saw the papers IN MI
Durants office as prepared by hf IFasy nls counsei
Mr. Duraut told me had taken the papers Dack, ana
included m tnem Mr. Anes, with bis 500 aud odd shares
in the same bill.
CRoss-Ex ANIMATION OF oAKEs AMES.
The following is the examination of
Oakes Anes as far rs 10 relates members of Congress
O In your statement you have referred to various
transactions between you and several members OF Con
pe in regard 70 their becoming owners Of stock in this