The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-09-03


| 10 draw one and half per cent; then told him
the names OF the references and all knew about
aro " nnrsn ana stated believed the bonds
then told me he could not place the loan before
Monday, and returned me the bond as was going
''a' TIE W Rosns met w by person who said
ana tnat ne was detective; l said, ave will 90
gave me the bonds;n he went there and told Mr.
Eaay u what mad happened; he showed me q note
Tl miainson stating that he would be back at
| O'Clock In custody OF Mr. Sampson. the detective,
anu was then taken to Police Headquarters; the
| oonus were taken from me by the officer.
by Mr.. Fields-How did you become acquainted
with Mr.. Williamson
COLONEL POTTER AGAIN.
MI. Brown was introduced to MFR. Williamson
| py Colonel Potter in the Park Hotel in the month
Sa,d Hs haS OF DecemDer ast mr.. Wililamso1
him to take some OF Mr.. Isaac W. Holbrook's notes
met me- Pms nm subsequently in various places
Prlsoner-My business is to appraise real estate.
sell noies, bonds and mortgages and effect loans
Mr.; Williamson said he would pay me from $50 to
Mr. Eelds-why did you take the bonds out of
Prisoner-when took them out of Eddy,s ONCE
there was no one there TO take charge Of them !;
they were lying on the desk, near the door; l
went TO Mr.. Sherman's with them. because he
mad asked me several times to bring good notes ;
SOLO nun Two OF Isaac s. Holbrook's notes on
Judge Dowling-Have you ever seen Mr.. William
Prisoner-I never have.
WHO Is COLONEL POTrERp
Judge Dowllng-Who is Colonel Potter and where
dia you become acquainted with him
Prisoner-Hls name is James Potter; became
acquainted with him in Charleston, S. o.. in 1865;
ne was "a prisoner and was marched out several
Judge. bowling (sardonicaly, he was
Prisoner-Yes, sir: have seen him frequently
since.
Judge Dowing-what is his business
r--Hn mn hAh had to
GINA which he wished to sell; he also sells
notes ! never knew him having an office; he
said he lived IN Bond street.
Judge DOwng-You have known him since
1868, ana he has been selling those Virginia lands
Prlsoner-I have seen him doing business IN
other places; ! met him In company with this
Williamson, with George F. Britton, and saw him
Judge Dowling-Do you ever keep any book Of
your various TRANSACTIONS
Prisoner make . memorandum, but DO not
save 1t.
Judge Dowling-who did you ever appraise
Prisoner-For Edmunds q Fields; it was prop.
erty at Thrty-eghth street and Broadway which
they proposed buying and which they asked me to
BY Mr.. Ficds-Are you man of familyP
.o pris0aerwfes sir; have vile, daughter and
Mr.. Fields-When you first offered these bonds to
Mr.: Hobrook did he say they were all right2
I@a said he Sas they were all
counterfeit was from Detective Sampson.
MR. FRANCIS W.. HOLBROOK
was then put on the stand and crosse xamined by
Mr.. Fields, counsel for the defence
Counsel-Did Mr.. Brown admit to you that
he knew the bonds to be counterfeit
Mr.. HOlbrOOk--He did not.
Counse-Dd any one ever inform you that he
knew the bonds to be counterfeit?
Mr.. Holbrook-NO, sir.
Counsel-Please state the grounds OF your belief
Prisoner My belief Is based on facts which this
suspicion that anything was wrong until made
the discovery OF the forgery; then recollected
August where his once was; he told me 81 Cedar
street, room No. 8; wrote it down
a psce ,o o, a a6st have Il now
his testimony that his Office Is 113 119 Broadway;
when he was arrested he gave another address
on Thursday or Friday he asked me II knew any
good party who wanted 10 buya good house; he
WANTED TO SELL HIS HOUSE,
ITO East Thrty-eighth street; he then gave me O
description-brown stone, four story high; de-
scribed each floor, including all the modern i'm
pr0vements saying his lowest cash price
$50 00O asked him II he owned the house; he said
he did himself, and that he lived there; since
him, and have known him long time, that he Is
SO poor that even the shoes on his feet nave been
OF borrowing small sums of money; some months
ago he brought a note for US to sell
proved to be made by bogus concern, such as
they are known; another fact: before had re-:
turned to my Office or had informed him that
the same bond on which he has made an applica-
ton TO nelghbortng banker for similar loan !;
about ten days ago he asked Inc II l could
on $4,000 or $50, 600 OF Bufrao, New YORK and Erie
first mortgage bonds at rs; told him II his GUS
toner was all right and the bonds were all right
and he would bring him In SO could see both
could negotiate loan ut about 20; he asked me II
bonds; told him 1t was; wanted to make
thorough investigation for myself he did not bring
me this business, though he spoke to me twice
about 1t, giving him the same reply on both oc-
casOns.
O. Is that ALP A. Yes, as far as any pertinent
fact.
O. Did you make any attempt to negotiate these
Q. Please state where? A. l object to state
where.
COUNSEL object. wish to show that he
DID JUST WHAT THE PRISONER
Judge Downng-You must answer, Mr.. Hol-
brook.
Mr. Holbrook--I went to Mr.. Hosford's office.
COunsel-Dd he examine the bond2
Mr. Holbrook-I don't think he did. He said
Leave It there and call in again at two O'Clock"
Counsel-Did you try any place else?
Mr. Holbrook-I went to ?. W. Galandet and
submitted IL there and to Allen, Stevens Co.
the envelope2 A. merely counted them to see if
there were fifteen.
mediately alter left Mr. Hosfords then took
the bonds from Brown examined one OF them, and
THE SIGNATURES OF MR.. CORNING, MR.. WILSON AND
MR.. sTERNBERG
to be forgeries; then examined all OF them and
found them all to be forged; | then authorized a
message to be sent through the New York Stock
Exchange that there were forged New YORK
Gen1 and Of ne me- HSsssd s,5 sSfn
not want the loan, and told him he would receive
my message In Il moment he said :-"Here IL comes
now through the ticker;" the detective then came
in, and we went into the back Office and examined
the signatures again in company with a few ex-
perts; Mr.. Brown then went Ut with the detec-
tive, who took possession OF the bonds.
The prisoner was recalled by his counsel and
denied in substance the statement Of Mr.. Ho-
brooks as to The allegations concerning the
fraudulent notes, and stated that as soon as he
certained they were wrong he caused them to be
stopped.
Mr.. Fields asked for an adjournment till to-day to
call witnesses as to character.
The Judge informed counsel that he would allow
witnesses to give their testimony, but did not
think 1t would prove OF much avail far he was
concerned. He said he had already expressed his
views In reference to the question OF character.
The proceedings were then adjourned till one
O'Clock to-day.
Interview with Lambert In the TOmbs.
The reporter had an interview with Mr.. Lambert,