New-York tribune., 1873-01-08
TESTIMONY OF JOIN B. ALLEY.

No, Sir.
TESTIMONY OF JOHN B. ALLEY.
John b. Alley, having been duly sworn, made
the following statements;
Iish to say first with regard TO Mr. McComb's state
ment about me agreeing To give Mr. Brooks 90 shares
nov, modies IT, to Mr. Nelson which is the thing,
never had any conversation whatever of the kind re-
of stock IN the Credit Mobiier to Mr.. Brooks
TO any me mber OF Congress; never had any
any other member of Congress with view to give
him or sell him one single share or any number OF
shares of the stock OF the Credit Mo0iher. DO
not know how can better or more fully answer than Dy
sayiug that neither directly nor indirectly IN any shape
OF manner did l propose TO give or sell or
dItect Or ndirectv With Mr. Brooks or Mr. Nelson by
or through him them any other party or person
whatever. As TO Mr.. Nelson, l do not know him;
never saw him In my life and never had any
ton with anybody from HIM through him. directly or
indirectly; there could not be more thOough ana en-
tire fabrication from beginning to end than the state
ment OF McCOmb
CASE OF MP. JAMES BROOKS.
BY the Chairman-Rght here, Mr.. Alloy, let me ask
you in regard TO the 100 shares Of the Credit Mober
stock, said stand the of Mr.. Nelson on the
books OF the Credit Mober: Do you know anything
IN reference 70 Mr. Brooks having any interest III tAt 4OJ
shares of stock 4. No Sir. .
None excet what nave obtained since this investga-
tiOn up; talked with Mr. Brooks about it, and the
told it seems that Nelson appears as stockholder
OF the Credit MOber.
O. You never had any knowledge or belief that 100
shares belonged TO Mr.. BrOOksi A. No. Sir never mad
any 10 suppose that they belonged TO Mr. Brooks
other than thiS; when come to tnat IW explain What
O. Suppose You state it right herel A. It will in
more properly at another point
@. so far as Mr.. McCombs testimony goes in any way
70 mpIcate YOU It was wholly about Mr. Brooks and
all want to say upon that subject. Please state an
you know in reference TO ownership IN tue company Dy
Mr. Brooks-whether he did did not Own any stock.
and Whatever passed between him ana YOU upon me
subjccti A. l nave no knowledge whatever OF Mr.
Brooks ever owning share OF stock since this nvest
CATION commenced, ana when the charges were made
asked Mr. Brooks what there In any way, shape or
manner that could have given Mr.. McComo any impress
sion OF that Kind that had anything to do with giving
any stock to him OF his sOnin-law Nelson.
O We do not ask you what Hr BROOKS says about II ;
in al of connection with tins Company "a an ohlcef
having any OF the stock Of the Companyi A. have no
| stock, directly indirectly; none whatever.
@ Did you ever have any conversation with him about
not a word.
O. DO YOU know anything in relation to any of these
dealings between Mr. AneS and any OF the members OF
Congress who have been named IN relation TO shares IN
say in relation TO this matter little further In regard
10 Mr. Brooks, In order TO show 10 the Committee that
from the very circumstance Of the case IL would be-
not impOssbe-bute exceedingly improbable thatI should
have had anything to do with him IN any such cOntden
tal relations as this Mr. McComb very fully stated
here that at that time my relations Mr. Brooks
OF antagOnistic character was politically opposed
to him. ana opposed TO him IN the management OF
the Union Pacific Railroad Company; hs views did
not correspond at all with mine; he was III favor OF
Mr.. McCOmb and his party did not ieel any confidence
i'm their management, consequently / stood in
such relations 10 Mr. Brooks that / could not
have tOue anything Of tnat Kind with propnety tnen
in addition 10 that let say that far from wanting
hIn TO he Government director. and giving him hfy
shares OF STOCK to induce 4lm 10 become GoNeIhmeht
director, was opposed 70 his being appointed 10
that position, and did all | could TO prevent hls
being appointed. was III jitOf ol aL0lhei, ma uat
and for the reason solely that have stated; thlnk
Mr. Brooks is an able man. but he and dd mol concide
III regard to the management OF the Union
Pacific Railroad Company after Mr. Brooks came IN as
eertained that my views aud statements regard
this man McCOmb cOrrespOuded win MS own; aIler
nuA mi
OF the board of directors, and frankly told me So
subsequent 10 that time when he became stockdifec
tor was favor of his election as such ana ne mas nad
no hesitation since that time in speaking OF Mr.. Nc
Comb about as nave done; II was matter OF notoIIey
as they could be- have nothing further 10 say on that
point unless the Committee Wish 10 ask ne ques
tons. -. -.
@ If you know anything in relation to any matters
that have been spoken of here respecting Mr. Ames or
any NJ those members OF Congress- any all Of the
transactions referred TO- you may state IL A would
like 10 20 into the whole history oi this Nleu'i"oo
The Chairman stated that that would be outside the
sphere Of this Investigation. ..o.
Witness-Then will just confne myself TO statement
OF facts bearing upon this particular matter, put am
sorry the Committee will not allow me TO go into the
whole history the Credit Mobiler know that when
MIR Ames went into the Credit MOber was his habit
TO try and get everybody into 1t; ne came 70
Congress-. and as the circumstances in connection
with it rather peculiar let me go BACK h.tie ~.
Ames was on the Pacific Railroad Committee you VIII
tnat the feeling OF the House III laNoI Vi
Pacific Railroad was Intense when the ensGtiTe % %,P P,oY
Sons making practicable TO bnild the Pacie hrosH;
became a law in 1864; you will remember tbat nearly
Everybody was In favor of building the road on almost
any terms Mr.. Lincoln, President OF the UHteu
states, with whom was intimate, bau RIeat uSai
abont il 10 me; he urged for IT. did not IKE the
provision In bill about the LANDS, ana su " nI
Aes that thought 10 was too good grant htosetnei
Mr. Alnes remarked that he thought IL was none 700
good bill he said that the Committee desired very
nnncb and everybody was in favor OF the Pacinc
Railroad ne made this remark: You .. woutu
mot do such foolish thing 10 put your money INTO az
even as good g bill as 1t is;" replied, NO. Woula
not :" that bill passed with the assent lnnn %
received the almost unanimous sanction OF CongieS
everybody all parts Of the country was IN IasoI VI ~
those who procured passage OF this b tnough. VIC
railroad under II could be put through Ihey We'-sS
half a million; after spending that haf miIon ,, ~
broke down substantially; the gentlemen VINO aa
scrbed came to she conclusion Jhat they wouiu sL
lose what they had put in than to 60 further an I
their all; Mr. Ames came 10 me IN August Ioo0 W. 49,
"rhese gentlemen came on 70 zee me; nave eo1ie eeo
ing this thing over, and think II Is Ylso"tavpah
scheme aud / want you 10 go o,,,, im ~
me: 1 am willing TO put In lArgs hnouhs JUN VI VI
money" 1 said Mr.. Ames; " NO uyu Va DJJ $780, 81
men can build that railroad under tnht cnurte, ,
with these provisions IA II with saeU; Pointinx @
the proyisons which referred ttet was 90 ~
mpossibty that sane man woslu n'cs. ,d ,vs
1t with the provisions 10 which roierfeu r shaud ma
requirement in the charter thai the poohs shdu
kept open until tl0O0000O had been supsons.,, -, @ p
that a share Of the stock should DC SOU q. ee %
than par; told him tbst the literal iuInineS. t VI
that provision would prevent the Ioaa ia hlo,t
being built he replied II know thaL because o uoy ~
OF will take that responsibility; IL inv0ves tne III
yestaent Of least 100000 order 70 enable the par
ties TO get control OF the road capalisb are ge-
orally very tmid at that time knew tnas ~, no 20
absolutely impossible get capitalists 70 invest soi
In ex thought body IeRAl0S0 ~