The New York herald., 1873-09-10
The CIews Left by JOurdan Given to His
Successors by the Herald.
Matsell Admits the Fact and Is
at Work. % ad
Secrets That Never Died with Jourdan and
the Ocean Bank Robbery.
"Cale" Cunning Has His Say" and
Wants to "Squeal" Before
Irving Comes Back.

The fresh developments which the HERALD has
given from day to day In the mysterious Nathan
murder very well justified by the following
telegram, which came yesterday by Associated
Press from San Francisco, being in itself an excer
lent reason why Irving should be brought on at
once strongly handcufred and guardcd:-
IRVING WISHES TO CONFESS MORE THAN EVER.
SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 8, 1873
John Irving has made q further statement to
the truth OF his former statement, and will swear
TO 1t before judge OF one OF the courts tomorrow.
sars with tine 40 r bs
safety in New York, he viii! produce Nathan's mem-
0randum book with the bonds taken from the sale
on the night OF the murder.
There are many facts in the custody OF the
HERALD bearing upon the Nathan murder still held
in the background for other reason than to give
she present Commissioners OF Police and the re-
form Superintendent o chance to fix the crime
without their chain OF evidence being broken by
injudictous and premature publications in the
press. All the testimony connecting Irving
with the case taat appeared in these columns
yesterday has been unknown to the police,
unknown to the members Of the Nathan family
unknown to Jourdan during his lifetime, unknown
to the detectives, unknown to police 0nlcial Of
the Thirteenth precinct, and unknown to Justice
Dowling and Ex-Superintendent Kelso-in the
after the murder-yet they were not published
until Mrs. Irving had been discovered and all or
the men 'believed" by Jourdan to be implicated
BEHIND THE BARS.
yourdan may have been wrong In his suspicious,
but it strange that now long alter his death
very notorious liar, burglar and highwayman
should name the same parties and sustain in the
main
ALL JOURDAN AND HIS DETECTIVES DISCOVERED.
Yesterdays HERALD minutey gave a portion Of
the evidence upon which Jourdan acted but much
was kept back until It was decided by the police
whether Irving is to have an opportunity to be
proved ,t,
LIAR OR A VERY VALUABLE WITNESS.
Yesterday morning visit was paid to General
Duryee, Police Commissioner to whom matters
never before published were given, and he was
asked II Irving likely to be brought to this city.
The General hesitated, and insisted that the repre-
sentative Of the HERALD should call with him upon
Mr.. Matsell, and they repaired to his Office Mr..
Natsell frankly stated that he had read the state
ments in the HERALD with astonshment, and,
sending for one Of his sharp detectives had some
conversation with him that satisfied him that
THE HERALD KNEW AS MUCH
of the interior manipulation OF the case by the
police as he (the superintendent did. He stated
that he had been besleged night and day by re-
pOrters for information, and to all he said that he
Iould not say anything except that he had deter
mined, when he took the office OF superintendent,
70 never cease work while there was
HOPE OF SOLVING THE GREAT MYSTERY.
Lest the superintendent should think that the
reporter desired an interview, the reporter here
;od him ne had not called for such q purpose, but
1t the solicitation OF General Duryee.
Mr.. Matsell responded quickly :-'I know that !;
N iufa uiauv vn0 fOr enN Nvy
more about it than do, and i'll ever have case
again like this should want you reporters to be
associated with me in the case. ! want the press
to aid the police by publishing all they learn.
Publish all you can, as
WOULD LIKE TO SEE 1T EXHAUSTED"
'Mr. MatseI," said the reporter, ''it has been
charged against other superintendents that they
wanted the matter exhausted, that the murder
might never be solved; but do not think such is
1Our wish.n
The superintendent declared that he did not
wish the murder to remain mystery. When he
was sworn in he took an oath to do his duty, and q
part OF it was to clear up the murder Of Benjamin
Nathan If it was in the power OF man to do it. Mr..
Matsel tried to dscredt the statements OF
THE MAN WHO COUNTED THE BONDS
in Irving's possession, and saw the memorandum
book, and remarked
"Did you notice his hands? have sent for him
and had an interview. His hands are like lady's.
He does not work for a living"
.Not particularly; but you make a grand mis-
take" said the reporters "but (turning to Gen.
erai Duryee) If he never does any work, how comes
it that he mas been SO long the pay Of the Police
commissioners"
This query startled Mr. Matsell for moment
until General Duryee explained to him that he had
learned from the reports that the man was en-
gagged In street cleaning and owned two carts and
horses. HE is not 80 employed at the present
sime.-RErl srHs TnIs was was VIZ x.rsr,,
who evidently feared that because mans hands
looked like lady's lie might be thief, and there
Here Mr.. MatseI interviewed the reporter as to
his opinion Regarding the motive OF VIM. Il. Howe
in writing letter discrediting lrvng's story. He
put the query 50 suddenly that lie got the answer
"My opinion is that he wants notoriety. Howe
was lrvinQ's counsel In
THE HABEAs CORPUS CASE.
when Irving says he wanted get out TO join in the
Nathan robbery. Note the iact. gentlemen, that
that was July 20, ls50 the murder was on the
morning OF the 29h. Is 1t hkelv that irving was
charged SO as 70 Kill q man ? II you know any
thing about thieves as believe you do Mr Mat
sell, you know that they Will never ten, even
under the seal OF professional secrecy, TO cOun-
sci anything foreign to the subject matter under
consideration. Is IL likely that Mr. Howe knows
anything outside Of cases in which ne is engaged "
NATsELL SMILED PLEASANTLY AND TOLD AN ANEC-
...f D0TE,
illustrative OF his non confidence In H0wes state
ments and concluded by saying that ne dld NOT DC,
neve the counsellor. He wanted to snow General
Duryea and the writer as soon as his private sec
retary General Hopcralt came in, certain Eng
lish papers, but the writer assured him he knew
all he wanted to upon the subject
Bnt you can see the whole thing" persisted
the Supcrintendent
"But don't want to see them" persisted the
reporter, who, years ago. learned all about IL, and
ne beat retreat before General Hopcraft arrived
from lunch lest he might
LEARN AS MUCH THE SUPERINTENDENT OF
POLICE
upon an unpleasant subject
Mr.. Matsell stated that Irving would come here
II he had to walk all the way rom California, and
asserted that he had offered to come on and plead
guilty to the last burglary n he was then given
his freedom after serving eighteen months In Sing
sing for II.
From the above it will be seen that the reporter
was
UNwILIINGLy AN INTERVIEWER.
and also as unwillnglv interviewed. He left salts
fed that Mr.. Matseil. who Outwa ardly PROCESSES TO