New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-11-17

me pcrod of exile preceding reign lhas
the law war me other mas been affirmed by English hsto
rsns fheccgsns Of every party s ro denied Sy
yos that ever existed He
SETS aside the authority Of Halam VINO sonoeranst
afarms that instances OF foreigners holding prefer
ment without any reordnation may DO found down to
wars Ss ns msrpfr Of A b: sort Ga one
should be sure of his ground. Your GGrrespOn-
dent ds@isses MaSsOay in an nor, equally s
Macauay is somewhat rhetorical writer and In the
multItudo Of details which crowd his history, rev
familiar with the times OF which he wrote ana ne IS not
an inaccurate author Your correspondent likewise as
Relieve to be scarcely less unjust. Even srvpe, ne
thinks. is not to be trusted. But here come Bishop
mpeaceed Te5sSy Bishop cSsn r had Pss9nah
with only Presbyterian orders, and ~, knew , Q,
many other cases before his time. This would
strike one as conclusive testimony. But as
Bishop Cosn did not specify the cases his declaration
lie not 10 be accepted. Fleetwood born sixteen
years after l6, the latest date at which instances OF
to be believed As II persons who took parishes before
might have lived long enough for Fleetwood 10
formation respecting anything prior 70 hs birth. II
would be instructive TO sea what would become on su
what iren@us and other fathers say OF the constitution
of the Church before their time.
sudes fuily establish the fact which he seeks 10 ds
prove But there other proofs. equally II not more
ent concerning cO1toyerses q the Church 6vS OF En
gland in 1852 In tue course rise 81 TINS between the
two contestants the Puritan and the Churenmap: He
TO condemn their opponents as sect" " Yea" ne
adds aud indsoreet persons nave oeen 9old u.
i've speech and censure OF the churches abroad
and that so far as BONE OF our n Inssn, as Sro !
nonpced 10 be no lawful ministers. Thus see the
BEGINNINGS modest but the extremes were violent,
frora itself as was at the first of one from the other
THIS accounts for The ground that the parsans OF
contentious" cannot imagine how tins piece OF eva,
dence be iuyalidaed unless indeed ~ snouIa h W
said that Lord Bacon did not mention names 'Ihete
were ministers" our men, they are caLeo-inlstels
English Church. who had not been epeGpay CONT
Grated and. hence were denounced as having 10 fsh
70 es Of WhttinSham and Travers to which your
correspondent appeals, far from tending, when they
are fairly stated 10 support us POSITION strongly Venu
TO oyeIinioS ~; iaSt the g"vernpent Of women
which was companion piece TO hncx FAMOUS i,tst
OF the Trumpet on the same theme. He was opposed
TO the imposition Of the vestments and wrote agslht IT,
on the 18th OF July, 1862, he had Deen inaue oi
iesn him ana sandys Archbishop lof York, his Metro,
poutan The Archbishop at length et1eupteu
been ordained. A Commission of Inquiry was
appointed, which came TO 10 result IN Toe,
was powerfully supported, died before the affair was
terminated or decision reached it is true, as your
datned al Geneva according the method OF the Re
formed Church there. But there IS anotnet mos. mae
rial fact winch your correspondent leaves OUT. LUIS
statement OF Nottingham was denied by sandys, VINO
claimed that he had not been thus oroalneu Dlt nau
been ordained by few lay persons IN pIlyao mouse
The proceeding looked upon by many as reflection
upon the Church of Geneva This was tue feeling OF tne
Lnr President the Earl OF Huntington, who wrote 10
Bnrlefgh that his lordshp could Judge what name 9 I
spark was Likely 70 DIee n ali ne S"dIv both
at home and in all the foreign churches abroad tt we
a4Td and SE sa NJ Of Se made Reformed
church" On the other sde the Arehbishops Snanceor
Crd ah MT Geneva according to the order
of the Genevan lofce book, by public authority
FAY The ArchLishop asserted that nelher in Geneva
nor in any Reformed church In Europe could be proved
shot the attempt 10 depose Nottingham was defended
on the ground tnat he had not been ordained according
pcaon that, II be had BEEN there would be no ground
Tor the proceeding against him. 10 1t not case Of
rayefs was canGidate for the Office OF Master of the
Temple, where he was preacher at the time when
strict CalyinisI and strenuous Puritan On this last
ground he peculiarly obnoxious TO Whitgift Whit
gt resolved silence HIM, and alleged as reason that
he had been properly ordained. 1raVers replied
he had been ordained at Antwerp after the method
who had been ordained IN Scotland and elsewhere
abroad had held offices in the English Church, state.
veracty be believed He appealed TO the statute
the validity OF Presbyterian ordination, SUCH as was
praoced IN the foreign churches His ground was that
his own countTyS@he method of ordination in the En-
gsh Church; that he had been ordained by such las
lad authority ordain him." The charge that
Trayers was schlsmac that beng IN the Church OF
England he ran abroad into other countries
and there got mmselI ordained, as was sad,
by Cartwright and Vlllers, Frenchman. In this
case iii that of Nottingham. there IL no mpeach-
OF the ordination Of foreign ministers generally
but rather Implied admission OF its validity Travers
has received ordination in one branch of IL 6ust be re-
ceved minister IN every other Wbteft ~ his an
notations upon TraveT paper refers TO the fact that
the French Church. when minister comes TO them from
abroad, require something than proof OF his ordi
the Archbishop his note remarks that the churches
which allowed of Presbytery are exception 10 this
hoV aleA
viz that minister In one place is a minister every
where. The Presbyterian churches, Whitgft means %
saw did not acton this rule. Whtgi have said,
in all hs conflicts with the Purtans never denies the
validity of Presbyterian ordination, established in the
foreign Protestant churches. Trayers Notwithstanding
his deposition, which was accomplished with difficulty.
Master of Trinity College, where ne had for his
pupils Archbishop, Usher, then in his youth
The act of tue 18TH OF Elizabeth continued lin force
until the Restoration of Chayles H., when in 1892 the
person TO hold any bencace or 10 administer the sacr
ment OF the Lords supper "before he be ordained
priest by Episcopal OrdinatiOn This statute took away
the Lar protection which the afforded clergymen
who had not been ordained 10y "a bishop. al.
The different attitude in relation to other Protestant
assumed under Laud, as compared with its position
during tho first three Proiestant regns s fact well
and conflicting schools anything else ia the eccesi-
astical history of Lnsand. Tue Of James formed
OF dgnitaries Of the Engsb Church in the synod Of
BORT ono Of the last conspicuous acts Of fellowship
with the Reformed Churches OF the CONT
nent. The Puritan controversy naturally led 10
this result. The Paritsns were at first treated
as scbismatcs, IDutineers against the national
church established by public authority Is was natural
espoused should eventually be included IN the
eonde mnation and he pronounced destitute Of duly
ordained ministry Especially was tins natural when
great part OF the Purltas themselves clatmeda Jrt
dipiHO sanction and exclusive right Tor iher own
fsyorte system OF polty To INTO the merits OF
this great controversy, which rent English Protestant
ism in TWAIN. 10 part of my present purpose Even
scales OF Judgment eyen bat there onght 70 be no dis
pute about the facts. GEORGE H. FISHER
lals College, Nov 0, 1873.
ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.