The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-08-22

RKPORTRR-You remarked that when the farmers
would them begin between them ana the railroad
capitalists. Does such leader exist?
Mr.. McCULLAGH-I think capital win be the az.
gressor and that the grangers VIII wait to assume
the defensive. could name twenty leaders in the
| West who would head the grangers' movement
position TO Casarism. At q guess should say that
John A. Logan would be the best man, and the
more likely TO come 10 the front imam emergency.
WILL LOGAN BE BRUTUs?
REPoRrER-Is General McClernand still aliveP
Mr.. McCULLAGH-Yes, he is alive and struggling
for political honor, but in contest like the one
referred to the people would need leader manu-.
iactured on scale OF more inches to the mile than
McCernand. They would demand some man who
represented victory and enthusiasm in the last
war, and they would follow Logan, because in q
battle ne always put his hat on the point OF his
swors and told the boys to ''c0me on" instead OF
telling them to Ego on, as most Of the other gen.
erals did.
REPoRrER--How does Logan. stand in regard to
C9sarism and the grangers movementY
Mr.. MCCULLAGH-I have not seen Logan since the
contest began, but know enough Of him to say
that he will be opposed to Casarism unless he can
likes sheridan, and he hates Sherman with cordial
REPoRrER-How do Sherman and Sheridan stand
on the question OF CRsarism
sHERMAN'S HATRED OF FREE SPEECH.
his general views, often expressed and never con
cealed, That military government is the only pos
rible one OF long duration. have heard him say In
Washington. for instance, that newspapers had no
right to discuss any question OF general politics
and that there should be censorship OF the PRESS
i Seee peal
This was alter the war and under the administers
ton of Andrew Johnson. number OF gentlemen
issue OF greenbacks should be enlarged or con-
tracted The New York papers had arrived that
the subject. General Sherman, replying to mum.
Der OF suggestions, said that newspapers had no
right to express any opinion On the subject, and
that the men who wrote for newspapers knew
nothing of what they talked about Congressman
were elected to determine upon the question, and
thai the ID bohemian interlopers should be sup
ARE SHERMAN AND GRANT FRIENDS
REroRTER-Are the President and General Sher-
Mr.. MCCULLGGH-I do not think they are on
terms Of more than formal friendship, and have not
refused to allow General Sherman to run the War
Department. Sherman Ia essentially an eg0tist,
and believes himself to be the hero Of the rebellion
took all his military genius to cover up Shermans
blunders. There was some family trouble between
together, which resulted in the latter parting COM
pany with the former before the journey was half
over, and the two great generals have never been
on terms OF cordial intimacy since, suppose you
staff appointment for Fred il would have looked
asked; but am doubtful if General Sherman would
dent.
REPoRTER-Do you think Sherman would like TO
enact the role Of Caesar himself9
Mr.. MCCULLAGH-l think he would; but he would
have no chance unless after long struggle, in
which he would come out head OF the army. 1t is
not likely for the reason that should along struggle
ensue between this country and the people sher.
Sherman without Grants backing would play q
small part in any revolution.
Mr.. NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS. would support the
powers that be. He would obey every order given
to him and would do his best for those who held
authority to direct him. Sheridan has no political
ambition and would be only DESTROYS to make the
best showing for the force under his command. He
is mere soldier and nothing else, believing in the
power of the sword and tee virtue OF blood and
iron.
REpoRrER-what would the rank and dle Of the
army 90 II the time was suspicious for Caesar to
seize the government
army would obey orders; but man going through
two counties of the State OF Illinois with an old
battle nag and fife and drum would,
army out OF existence. Logan, with the
large enough to demand the unconditional surren-
der Of the Army Register and everything else be-
REPoRTER- You think that any large number
of the sicers Of high rank In the regular army have
ever deliberately considered this project Of assist
ing the Executive to the seat OF Cesar
CAESARS PRETORIAN BAND.
Mr.. MCCULLAGH-The regular army seldom thinks
Of anything beyond the pay and raton e., which it
would obey orders from their Communicating Chief
OF the army; bat the difficulty would be to obtain
Casarism a hundred would enlist under the sym
% that I the re regular
would not amount to drop in the bucket. There
is not county IN any State, west Of the Allegha-
MES that could not furnish good fighting men
enough to whip the regular army out or its boots.
"a MILLION FOR DUKEDOM."
REPORTER-DO you think there Is any large ele-
ment in society, East or West, in favor OF
monarchy or DESTROYS Of acquiring ttlesY
Mr.. MCCULLAGH-I think there is small element,
large in ITS moneyed influence and principally con-
fined to the East, in favor OF strong government,
with power to confer titles Of nobility.
REPoRTER-Can you give any satisfactory reason
Mr.. McCULLAaH-I have no specific foundation,
and nothing but my own reasoning from few
nine.tenths Of the young women OF wealth who go
abroad from America and whose fathers have &C.
Sass tas & G 70 msS %
empty title, and many OF them would rather be
the wife of bankrupt Count in France or Italy or
in some petty German State, than to have some
honest American merchant or business man for
husband. or course preclude all possibility Of
sbroad oT tSs SPIRIT for We d sa at
ionable watering place in America to-day. I was
standing in the ballroom OF one OF the
evenings since; i held a copy Of the
HERALD in my hand, and had just been bordering
were several Ssnareds of what would be caies
the sweetest and prettiest Of American girls
present. l touched friend on the shoulder and
SAID to him, "What q splendid chance there would
be here to auction or titles of nobility among all
these silks and diamonds and perumesl'
"a SHODDY EMPIRE AND A PETROLEUM CAESAR"
j asked him what he thought "a duKedom would
bring" and he answered, pointing to o fat old
army contractor, whose daughter stood near with
"That damned fool would give million for q duke
DOM" and on o careful survey OF the field, we
concluded that an empire could start there ana
then with cash capital OF 500, 0O0 900, the under
standing being that not cent OF revenue should
to the holders OF the titles for the purchase
money.
"Do VOC SEE THAT STONE wALL9 THAT WALL Is
FREE PRESS"
REPoRTER-what course do you suppose the
American press would take In case C2sarism was
attempted In practical fashion
Mr.. MCCULLAGH-All OF that portion Of the press
that cannot be approached by military power Will
take the side OF the people against CRsarism. But
1t is difficult to say what the provost marshals may
be able to do. II they can repeat the programme
OF Napoleon they will muzzle every newspaper
editor In the land who does not endorse C@sarism.
the OF a