The New York herald., 1873-11-30


and Immediate revolution. winch would place the
Au0nssts Ia power. Some OF the more bellicose OF
TIE AMERICAN ELEMENT
inclined to the opinion that the American govern
ment was "knuckiing down. in The matter and
that the conditions were disgracefui 70 this gov
ernment. Cubans, as body, regretted the pacific
aspect OF affairs and prophesied yehemently that
the orders of the home government would be set
at defiance in Cuba that the volunteers would
never permit the surrender or the Virgnius or the
survivors OF her crew. and that Spain. being physi-
cally unable to coerce compliance, the United
States would have to employ force to obtain the
concessions at Havana and Santiago which the
Madrid Cabinet had awarded US.
Spaniards with wnom the reporter conversed
expressed emphatcally the belief that there was
either an error or an intentional deception In the
statement OF the terms OF rcparation. Spain would
be forfeiting her honor they insisted. by not
maintaining her right to sustain the invioability
Of her territory and the safety OF her citizens. She
would also incur the liability overthrow by the
Alfonsists and OF refusal by the Spanish AntiI-
cans to permit compliance with our demands.
THE HEADQUARTERS OF THE AMIGOS DE CUBA
were as much occupied yesterday by a very busy
assemDlage or members and there was a very gen
eral expression OF regret at the pacific aspect of
affairs, according to the morning papers. They
were unanimous IN their aSseveratiOnS that the
United States would have to resort to force In
order to obtain from the Spanish volunteers the
concessions which SPAN had made.
II tell you, sir" said one OF them to the reporter,
81 have lived all my life In Cuba and understand
the temper OF the Spaniards there who are inter-
ested IN maintaining their supremacy, while
their allegiance to Spain is merely nominal.
They will not allow this vessel to be returned, you
not have It's flag saluted. AS to the delivery or the
remaining prisoners that is matter which 1t is
anger has passed away, and / scarcely think tney
will attempt any further violence towards those
men; but remember what say, you will never see
the Virglnius returned to this government nor its
flag saluted. II Spain agrees to indemnify the
heirs. OF The American citizens put to death you
will find that she will inaugurate SLOW process OF
arbitration which will last for years, and that 1t
will cost ten times as much to fix the amount OF
the indemnifcation and collect 1t as the indemnity
Will amount to-"
A SPANISH GENTLEMAN
Mr.. r. Verea, OF No ~ Broad street, who is an
and IL years III Cuba, was called upon yesterday al
ternOon by the reporter, and expressed his views
very freely upon the whole question.
To begin with, Mr.. Verea said, Il do not see how
the American people can in honor hold themselves
bound TO protect the virginius. People here say
that the seizure OF the vessel was intended by
Spain as an insult to the nag OF the United States;
but | can assure you that that is not the case.
without seeking further complications not 70 men
tion the TACT that there is no hereditary or other
cause OF antagonism between the two nationahties.
But, to go iurther, scarcely see how the United
States can push sucn demands rs she makes in this
case when we consider the precedent she has es-
leo. There was no pretence that the Indians whom
he attacked were in arms against the government
that the United States has any right to violate the
territory OF MEXICO which Is independent aud ex-
elusive. The Indians were mere predatory robbers.
who at times committed murder while engaged in
the work OF plunder. Nevertheless,
GENERAL M'KENzIE INVADED MEXICAN TERRITORY
and killed and made captives among the Offenders
1or which he was commended officially by the gov
ernment at Washington. You may Justify his ac-
ton perhaps on the ground of the necessity OF self
n nT FOIL
nations and the Spanish frigate Tornado had an
unquestioned right upon that highway In common
GUS character, engaged IN an act which threatened
the lives and property OF Spanish subjects in the
who were well known to have committed deeds OF
violence with arms In their hands against the peace
oil the Spanish government and the welfare OF its
citizens. Del Sol had been previously captured by
the Spanards, and had been released upon his
parole OF honor in Spain; but as soon as he OBJ
tanned his liberty he came TO the United States
the peace OF Spain. varona and Cespedes had
both been engaged in the nsurrecton also, ana
character OF this vessel was that OF
FILIBuSTER AGAINST SPAIN
in Cuba. Now sir. why may not Spain punish
these men, VINO are menace to her peace and TO
the lives and prooerty OF her citizens, as well as
OF MeXico2 spain certainly has more right
upon the high seas than the United States
If there is no law which sufficiently defines such
case why may not Spain plead the necessity OF
Self-deience In Der case united states claims
1t in her Mexican rad These men on the vlr-
ginius and their friends in Cuba conduct what they
call war; but 1t is not war. 1t is as cruel and
bloody as the Indians could be guilty Of They
burn houses and ravage the land where they pass
over it, and kill Spaniards for
THE CRIME or BEING SPANIARDs
alone II the United States sustans this sort Of
action she Will legalize flbustering and give it
heT protection and support and these expeditions
will be more numerous than ever. As to the de-
mands which, 1t is said, Spain has acceded to, do
not yet believe the reported concessions. cannot
believe 1t. AT the same time say to You that il
my government consents to these conditions | |
nave nothing to say. l acquiesce in all that my
country does, because she i my country though
II 1t IS true, think 1t will lead to the
Of the CASTELAR, government and TO de-
lance OF its authority In Cuba though, speaking
for myself, should be sorry TO see such RESULT
Views OF Hon. w. II. Barnum, OF Com
necticut.
hon. W. II. Barnum, Member of Congress from
Connecticut, stopped yesterday at the Fifth Ave.
nue. Hotel on his way to Washington. A HERALD
reporter endeavored TO ascertain his views on the
Cuban imbrogio.
REPoRTER-What do you think OF the "settle-
mentr as stated in to-day's HERALDg
Mr.. BARNUa-I don't believe there has been
real settlement. | don't think 1t is difficult TO
make these Spaniards do whatever we want, but
the trouble is they won't be able to carry out their
agreements. II they fail 70 carry out this settle
ment' there may be war-iI's the only thing to be
done then. In Connecticut the general impress
sion is that there will be no war think war
with Spain would produce the same results which
our last war did-it would certainly innate the
business OF the country
REPoRTER-What will be the action OF Congress ?
Mr.. BARNUM-It is really impossible to tell until
we see the Presidents Message. Then we snail
have at last all the official facts. should prefer
to have the matter settled peaceably rather than
have war; but want to see one OF two things
want TO see these Spanlards make TINS matter right
or want TO see them whipped. That's the way
feel about it,
REPoRTER-Do you think the war would last
longS
Mr.. BAINUM-Oh, think II would be very short.
All should have TO do would be 10 take Cuba,
and That would be the end Of 1t. l think IL would
occupy more time to get ready than to take CUBA.
With this the interview dropped.
UTAH.
Nineteenth Wifc-Sutcide and