The New York herald., 1873-09-08

which makes Cesarsm possible will correct itseh,
HERALD REPRsssNTArivE-You speak OF Grants
being good enough man." What DO you mean
Mr.. LEsLIE-I think that General Grant has
proved himself soldier, and ne mas also proved
himself nOta good President. He failed as ousi
would not cntrust General Grant with the manage
ment OF any part OF my business He might sue
cessiully tend cigar store or "boss" livery sta'
BILE, because he understands such things. But.
being citizen OF the country, object 70 his being
President, simply because he doesn't know any
HERALD REPREsENTATivE-were Grant disposed
to try . coup detat could he count on the armyf
Mr. ,rs,,p-yes The 1hs armv ARM ALWAYS nourishes in
an empire. Napoleon became an emperor with the
aid of his soldiers; Caesar welded imperial powers
IRON the same seSson c Tne co%Iss tsrv o.
and not men with any ideas OF political justice.
When the army Is appealed to 1t will be- mere
for the Empire because the Empire will need It,
and will consequently. take care Of It But there
Is not much OF an army, and you need not fear that
1t Is the politicians army you must rear.
HERALD REPREsENTATIvE-lsi 1t probable that
Grant, admitting that he means C@sarism, will
endeaver to mask his purpose by the glory OF q
war;
Mr. LRsLIE-I think that the purpose Of the ad.
mnistratton is to make war with the neignDorlng
countries, and naturally with Mexico; and also
that Belknaps visit to Texas and Mackenzle's
raid were but feints, to test the military enthu-
sfasm OF the people. General Grant evidently
means to retain his power at home by being con-
sidered the only soldier who can wage war abroad.
HERALD REPREsENTATIvE-ls there any remedy
that you nave to propose for this threatened evn
vice WHEN man is panponted to an once he
should not be removed without cause; and II one
man Is removed tor cause his successor should not
have the power to remove his sub0rdinates with
out cause. Then the great army OF olice.h0lders
w0uld have no personal, bread-and-butter interest
in the President OF the United states.
thta Mr called and the
reporter Withdrew.
Views Of Judge Packer, OF Pennsyi-
vanta.
PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 6, 1873
came hcre to see that nveiold millionaire,
Judge Packer, and succeeded. found him this
morning at the onice OF the Lehigh valley Rail-
road Company, OF which he is the President. The
Judge Is well known, so his political career need
not be gone over. That he ls yet an earnest
democrat will be found from his opinions
given below. In appearance he is sturdy,
old-timer, still wearing the brass-butt0ned blue
coat OF the kind affected by men who tell Of the
time Of Andrew Jackson or bore you with stories
OF the campaign Of which "T1ppecanoe and Tyler,
too," were the main figures. Judge Packer, II he
retains the recollection, does not tell how "Gov-
ernor Kent went hell bent" or how anybody else
pursued that sulphureous way. He Is man of the
present in ideas, If not In dress. Being desirous
to hear what he thought OF the C@sarism discus
sion 1 said:-
CORRESPONDENT-You know, OF course, Judge, OF
The discussion OF the "third term" subject in its
aton to what has been called Cesarism, which has
been started by the HERALD and participated In BY
most OF the newspapers OF the country. You are
,lso aware that, for clear exposition OF the sent
nent OF the country, the HERALD correspondents
had VII nj ha haaf
Known political men and editors AS you are
among the former class, have called to get your
IDEAS as to the possibility OF C9sarism.
Judge PACKER-Yes, l have noted the course OF
the HERALD; but while approving OF its opinions,
have given the moOted question very little thought.
have been away from political action and discus
sion Tor several years; 1or, being business man
and not politician, have to attend to my busi-
ness. think the agitation Of the question as to
the period OF Presidential service most proper. I
believe the matter should have been settled long
ago. My own view Is that but one term should
be allowed to q President. The present
moment OppOrtune for the discussion, not be-
cause President Grant Is filling his second term
and may desire third, but for the reason that the
period OF service should be fixed unalterably by
law, and not by sentiment.
SENTIMENT CANNOT CONQUER NEED.
The subject has only relation to C9sarism In the
future iOr do not consider that President Grant
is desrous OF making himself imperator. He is, |
iudae, devoid OF ambition and undesirOus even OF
another term OF Oice Still. he may be urged by his
friends TO accept even TO endeavor to bring about
q tnird nomination. There are chords IN his
organization tnat can be played upon TO make
music tnat he Is ever desrOus to hear. And there
ire among lis ''iriends" number OF master
louisiana matter. Were 1t not that the people
NOW the character OF those political musicians,
hey might do even greater mischief than they have
lone. Upon this knowledge OF the people, and the
act that the "musclans' are coming forward as the
hie1 champions OF the republican party, supporting
md being supported by the administ alton, base
belief in the near dissolution OF their party. The
vIdence is very clear. Butler comes up in Massa-
husetts as candidate for Governor and though
Ia nYnn nal hv fba Naah 1nrfnn nnfr .1I
he reputable leaders OF his party den0unce and
oppose him, while they declare a continued lealty
Q the administration. That Is the first revolt,
md therein is the primary symptom OF
ne radical party's disruption The greater
politicians denounce and oppose, while the lesser
mes support General Butler. II the present re-
'utabe Massachusetts political men do not, in the
went OF Buffers election, prove themselves
neaner, by giving their support to nim than those
Who, urged by ao administration patronage give aid
o him at present the breaking up OF the radical
'arty Will be complete IN the Bay State. Once well
country. In every State the "muscians !" who are
low SO pleasantly placed, will be Overthrown. All
hese facts bear against
THE POSSIBILITY OF CAESARIsM
'ith General Grant as its exponent But, as said
eiOre, do not think the President wants 10 be q
CoRREsPoNDENr-Bu you know that the HERALD
oes not assume that the President wants to be
he Caesar.
eriectly. 1t Is not tnat General Grant wants to
)und dynasty, but that some one else NAV try to-
n luture. BY showing tnaJ possibility, ii only
eminent Is to be overcome the HERALD wishes
nd expects to cause precauton to be made. l
ave no doubt tnat there are men who would
all an Emperor, and the endeav0rs OF some OF
he radical papers assure me Of it. The people will
lot believe In keeping man at their head to re-
luke his enemies. Wnen every body shall see that
resident Grant or anybody else Is perfect In
very respect there will be an autocrat in this
country.
CoRREsPoNDENT-Do you believe that the cap
talists and business men are averse to present
hanges In our government-that tranquility In
,olitics Is all they deslref
Judge PACKER-No; do not. My reason may be
ound in the overthrow OF the fammany Ring.
hey were business men who planned and carried
ut the expulsion OF the members ol that ring from
heir posts. Their action acted upon the national
lectlon and that In this State and caused the
OF democracy in New YORK.
Southern Views on Csesarism.
WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS,
Greenbrier county, West Va,
August 26 1879
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