The New York herald., 1873-09-10

the public think they have got their man. Why,
WHO CARRIED TO HEAD QUARTERS PART OF THAT
t "swAGn f .a
ana divided part among some oficers, and there
has not been bank robbery In this city or neigh
borhood for years that the detectives have not
SHARED IN THE PLUMBER,
unless the thing was so open that the real burg
lar had not escaped AS to Irving, Cunning thinks
he s getting himself into hot water very last, and,
said he, u he comes back 10 this city he can't stay
long for he can't lind 'pal' that will undertakea
Job with him, because It Is known that
HE WILL 'PEACH' If CAUGHT,
and there are some people here who will "bruse"
him badly if they can yet hold of him When the
reporter asked Cunning II he thought Daniel Kelly
had anything to do with the murder he said he did
years and eight months.
WE ALL BROKE UP AFTER IRVING WAS SHOT
and 'speached," and did not come together any
more, and can prove where I was on the night Of
the murder 0y !sS,p people so,sS who No .,,.,
Cunning said he had to laugh when he read the re-
port In the HERALD containing lrving's statement,
! DON'T FEEL FEARED ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES
don't want to stay In prison four or Eve months
waiting ior the law to make that liar (lrving)
prove that he knows nothing about the murder;
And II he Is ever brought here and faces me III
soon let the law officers see that
HE Is PLAYING A DEEP GAME
with them. irving said he once went through tine
Maryland State Prison with me to have look at 1t,
and to show you, Mr.. Reporter, how good he can
compose, as he entered into nt
AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WARDEN OF THE PRISON
to pay him $500 II he would get young man VINO
was confined there pardoned out; and from
THE COCK AND BULL STORY
he got up about California, Australia and some OF
using the names of men he heard Of, he made the
warden think he was big gun, anu
ln THE PARDON WAS PROMISED,
but he had no idea OF paying the money, and II he
a sa SI s the pc
was leaving. "aint good; but II had been engaged
in all the AFFAIRS they say have, would be q
mighty rich fellow. And one thing more want to
state, Mr. Reporter.
m III Ia THAT'S ALL BosH
about Kelly and Irving being with me when en-
tered the oathoie priests house. aud l did not
enter by the basement OF the Church OF the
Epiphany, and l was not arrested coming out OF
Sackien'sNReportsrl and only iy served two Years
JoURpAN USED OFTEN TO MEET ME
after the murder, and alter got out, but he never
spoke to me about it. and don't think he ever
suspicioned knew any thing about 1t, and he
knew me well: have heard that he traced the pro-
curing Of the "0og me, but it IL false as the rest
matter at all, because the detectives knew l had
nothing to do with It and they would only be vast
ing their time bothering with me. II they had
leave the city. When asked II irr
CUNNING WAS THE RIGHT NAME,
known by since he was boy, and lie would not
give any man his real one, and he was
very positive that no one, not even the
perfectly willing to answer ali questions, even
the sharpest that lawyers detectives or reporters
could ask him, and If they could trip him up in any
statement he made he would correct it If possible
or admit any thing they could prove him to be at
fault in. "For, y said he, Il swear know nothing
A Strange Night Interview With the
Wife of Irving
At a late hour last evening disguised man con-
nected with the HERALD appeared in front OF the
Tombs. and, looking around for guide, found
Captain Clinchey, OF the Fourteenth precinct, in
citizens clothing, holding up lamp post. He
boldly approached him and asked the Captain
to lead him to the residence OF Mrs. Irving, the
wife OF the California ''beat," who resides in Cn-
chey's ward. The police Captain declined, owing
to pressing engagements, and the representative
OF the HERALD. after making many curvings to
avoid Clinchey and che Central Office oflcials at
ten minutes past nine p. N. was
AT THE DOOR OF THE wIPEs RESIDENCE,
Two girls and young man were there. He
called one Of the former aside. and whispered q
sentence, ~ want TO see Mrs. Irving at once"
The words had an electric effect, and leaving her
friends the young lady hurried into another street,
ana in less tnan three minutes the reporter was
CLOSETED IN THE BEDROOM OF THE WOMAN,
with no one near but O beautiful boy who slept
in a bed near the table. The Interview lasted
Irving weeping betimes and appealing to the re-
porter as married man to take pity upon her and
not mentlOn ner name Whcn tne place O1
business OF Mrs.. Irving was given, wth the remark
"YOur employer will not discharge you; buy my
clothes there" she jumped nearly out OF her chan
and wanted to know how the HERALD learned her
place OF business. Finally she insisted that no
portion OF the interview should be published and
cried again. The interview amounted to this =
Ffrst-She declared her belief that her husband
Is insane. ~
Second-That Matsell. who she has never seen,
knows nothing about the case.
Third-That she has positive knowledge that
Irving never participated in the murder.
FOuTth-That Caleb Gunion lies, and that she has
never seen nor heard OF him: and
Finduy-That Irving never committed very
serious crime, ana never had q female accomplce
at "a Park or any other street.
Then the HERALD reporter, out of sympathy for
q woman's grief and the sleeping child, attempted
to leave. Tears came again, and another appeal
for secrecy. In the midst et the eXcitng intervie
the reporter. anve minutes past ten, retired, prom
ising that her place OF residence and business
should not be dIvulQed.