The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-04-12
Jay GOUL D.
Examination ofthe Great Innocent Be
fore The Erie Legislative Com
mittee Last Night.
CURIOUS REVELATIONS

call was made for eight O'Clock in the evening. At
a quarter TO nine O'Clock the committee appeared
on hand having then announced, come
down very suddenly from Albany under
q scare that Jay Could, whom II had
been looking for for time, about
10 leave for Europe today Saturday and
thai he ceuld be obtained more. II appears shat
the committee had had Mir Gouid shadowed"
during the DAY, anu he was served with papers to
appear before H.
Al abont nine O'Clock Lie satnrnine little man ap
reared before the coinmittec, ana began by an
nouncing that he had not the slightest intention OF
leaving the country, AIDING that ne was perfectly
satisfied with America.
The members OF the committee present were Mr..
AssempIymen Wight Mr. Assehhlymen Jacob B.
CARPENTER and Charles Crazy. Mr.. Wight acted as
chairman and Nj. Albert Stickney appeared
counsel for the committee; Mr. vanderpoei as
counsel for Mr. Gould
The session took place in the new dining room OF
the Fifth Avenue HoteL There were only present
the members Of the committee, the counsel, MIR.
Gould and the reporters.
Mr.. Gould said TO the chairman, a supposed my
examination was ended and that ! was only to
produce two papers. have one and cannot find
the other. But am ready to say everything
now.n
Mr.. Wight-Sincc ! saw you the Legislature has
MI Could That question decided the other
way by you formerly.
Some moments were consumed in searching for
astenoTrapher, and then MI Wight said he would
take the examination in long hand
THE EXAMINATIoN HERE BEGAN.
MIR. Gould, examined by Mr.. stickney, said:-I
was President ef the Erie Company from 1865;
was accustomed TO approve payments OF money
some OF them-and generally approved vouchers:
cannot say whether they always obtained correct
belonged CCmptrOller's
Department: l sometimes approved without look
ing at them; could not always go into details; ]
spOnsible; don't remember approving payments
OF money 10 Mr.. Tweed for legal services at
any time while he was senator; the vouchers would
tell this story l don't know whether he ever APP
peared for the Erie RAN Company in any suit;
if he isn't good lawyer he ought to be- am
not sure whether he appeared or not in any suits;
counsel was appointed by the Board OF Directors;
don't know that Mr.. Tweed was ever so appointed;
Mr.. Tweed was director, and was, no doubt.
6iten consulted: Mr.. Lane was the counsellor Of
The company; the legal department was sepa-
rate department; don't know OF any records hay-
! have any books or papers showing that
MIR. Tweed was ever counsel OF the Erie Railway
Company: lett them all in the company, and have
no means OF ascertaining; presume sometimes
consulted HIN in regard to legislative matters re-
gsrding bills before the Legislature; no distinct
transaction now occurs 10 me; can't say IL he
received any pay as director; don't know If the
books Of the company would show whether he re-
would show IL; have no papers in my possession
which would shsw payments to Mr.. Tweed; oil
1 can state is simply from recollectOn;
EMPLOYED Mr.. A. u. BARBER:
on account OF the Erie Company; employed him
az sort OF general agent to carry out any drec.
the company should not pc damaged; he was to
ace to this by reason OF his late acquaintance with
perhaps knew on these matters more than any
other man; knew the interests he was en-
pioyed to protect interests he enlisted to
protect, sometimes, II an unirendly man was up
for Office, he could be sent TO endeavor to have
friendly man put in his place; saw Barber seldom
in Albany; / did not see hin oftener during the
sessions than at any other time; l cosidered
DON'T remember about payments being made DUR
ing the session; don't knew whether he was
usually engaged IN lsbbylHg; ! don't understand
what lobbying is have no doubt he attempted to
innuence legislation; that was one reason en-
plOyed him; shouldn't have asked him TO run an
engine; ! don't remember whether Barber re-
ceived money TO influence legislation, but know
that Tweed had some large transactions with the
company; suppose pecuniary transactions with
Tweed would appear on the books; l don't know
SHs Know NO oans bp Mr think
he had some transactions with the company about
real estate matters: such transactions would have
appeared; have no idea OF going to Europe; this
country suits me; employed Mr.. Van vechten for
legal services in Albany; he and Mr. Barber are in
Albany during the sessions OF the Legislature; /
believe Mr.. Van Vechten resides there ] have
BEEN IN ALBANY BUT ONCE IN TWO YEARS,
Mr.. Van Vechtens services were as legal expert
in regard to various bills, to examine them care
fully 10 see that nothing was slipping through !;
his knowledge OF the effect OF laws IN my opinion
h. better than that OF any other lawyer. Mr.. Van
Vechten was not present attempting TO influence
legislation; don't know whether or not he was
employed to oppose legislation.
Mr.. Gould was here shown a voucher Of the Erie
Railroad Company, and said lie recognized his
handwriting. Mr.. Gould read the voucher:-
Received Of the Erie Railway Company the sum of
$4,000 in full for the above account AppToyed
don't know whether the J. C. means myself;
don't want to say whether have doubt that j. g.
means myself: have a doubt; don't know to
whom else they can apply; have partner OF the
name OF John George; / don't Know whether
those initials refer To him; my signature was
often written by another man (Mr. Nolan, and
he did 1t so well that could not ten the signature
from my own; Mr. Nolan did not have vouchers
made out In my name except by order OF the
ers, but he did not do so without directions: did
not authorize him to sign INV name without drec-
ton; won't say that 1t Is not true that Mr.. Van
Vechten drew S3j, 900 on his voucher by my drec-
ton; would net contradict that the signature OF
w. M. Tweed Is in Mr.. Van Nechtens handwriting
have no knowledge what the legal services re.
Ierred to are.
DON'T KNOW OF ANY LEGAL DISBURSEMENTS
made on account OF the Erie Company to Mr..
Tweed: he never asked Mr.. Tweed to whom he
made the disbursements, If there were any; 1t
belonged to another department.: do not know
that authorized the disbursement of $500 to
Mr. Tweed without asking him what they were
for; j have some recollection OF w. NJ. Tweed,
Jr., being employed, but can't recollect by whom
Idon't remember sara of $4,000 being made TO
w. M. Tweed In 1869 for legal expenses.
voucher for this was shown, signed by Mr..
MI. Gould-This ia Mr. FIsk's signature: don't
know whether the filing up is his; have no
knowledge or recollectisn OF the payment OF this
sum-
A telegram was here shown, which Mr.. Gould
said was in his handwriting.
DEPOSIT today $1,000 in Broadway Bank 10 the credit
me yes" D''''' e.''s a'' /" mon JAY GosLDr.
The voucher annexed reads
Legal expenses, as memorandum attached, 200