New-York tribune., 1873-01-08

wnotn H. n emewber whether you had or mott a;
am not positive; very likely 4, naa ot sell Stock TO- and
the amounts in te list not the amounts .n that
40 that il could not have been token from H' nov
Ho'o"i' '" GOING THROUGH AMEs's LIST.
n r, tnis LIST he says Oakes Amess list OF names 90
shown 10 me to-day for credit Mobilier-biaiho "
Maine, S0O" did you say anything TO b''n aoou' ~,
Bainel A. No. Sir; do not reeoect iDo may to nv
toned the names that intended 10 sell stOch ~, Mr.
o. Do you recoleet whether you mehiohe" '
Blslnes name A do not .,, ,,,,o - MFR blaine
o. He says that you gave him the naine Oh aa
as those who we're to receive 500 or ~ name NAV
A. That could not be correct hr D% name was never
i'm auy idea OF mine to have more than slODG pti,o
@ was there any talk between You ana pr, haye no
abSnt his having more than ten sharesf a. nsI ,h @
recollection OF ,t at all am very certain t"@' "'
"ss o. mp Patterson Of NJ H., 5000" Do you recoeet
whether yOu mentioned Senator Patterson baue 10 10
himi A. do not cannot recoilect may yh ho' in
him and may have had list OF persons 10 w % anv 30
tended to sell stock did not mean 10 give a"ay
O. You not mean TO have US nnder,tan@S az rnas
% Did any member OF Congress ever receivSs S,y ay
shares rom you except by paying for them A. No Oh"
nsSea Patterson of n H., sOOO;" how many shares ala
he Paterson) hayel A. Thirty shares thst Is SU.roo'
a. Mr. Patterson did have 30 sharesf "A. Yes, or; -.
WIisna Of Massachusetts, $2OCO-you have told US
ali that there was regard TO thatt Yes Sir' vs
O. Painter reports for Pennsylvania s5'OOO' a. i'''
Sir; he had 80 shares. ~. s,. bo so,d no
O. He became stockhoderf A. Yes sir ne sara hn dd ng
was promised more, and was very indignant tn"' NO u
O. s. Cofax, speakerl A. Yes, Sir; that is according
% Ellott Of massachusetts % A. He did not have
any. ., , A., noves had two
o. Did YOU tell Mr. McComb that Mr. Dawes was to
o. We're there ever any negotiations for his having
more than 10 shares A. No, SIR he never talked aoOs
investing more than $1,000 which he wanted 70 A Duy
bond for and told him thought that hlS was pe''e
o. BoTt%elpsi A. Mr. Boutwell, never had any. He
was one Of the from Massachusetts 10 whon III
tended 10 sell stock. .,, 60 No
Comb about Mr.. Boutwell, A. l d0n'G know WI wias ~
names did mention TO Mr. McComb; all that know Is Is
that Mr. Boutwell, was time intended II salu
anything McComb about him, 1t was about Wna' i'
O.. siate whether in any OF those negotiations with
members OF Congress there was any purpose Oh your
part ofexercsng any influence over them OF 70 cornP &
them in any wayl A. never dreamed OF II au hgt
know that they required it, because they were an %
the road and my friends; you want 70 oIiDo @ , % 10
YOU want bribe who is opposed 10 you not "
O. In the transaction that You had with them had you
any view of obtaining the influence or ana ior III
Congress A. No Sir; all my idea was to have enough
people Interested TO look into the matter we ud noe
want any legislation from Congress- We did not KNOW
in 1861 put that Jim Fisk and Judge Barnard were gong
drive out Of New York, and we dld not Know Duv
we would have to ask TO have our ONCE removed 70 bO
ton. never made promise 10 or got one from any
member OF Congress in my Life and would not dare W
By Sir Merricly-Had you promised to all these mem
bers of Congress mentioned IN this written stsle-
Credit Moblieri A. l cannot recolllect, there were
50 many who tfSa bsy to m think Il was good
thing; cannot recOllect all the names DO not Know
whether they had all spoken to me before; know that
O. Can you specify any Of those who did A. do not
o. Please state which Of them did far you re-
coIlectq A. have doubt that Mr.. Scohe!d did, and
Messrs Patterson Dawes, Bingham, and wilson
O. Any others A. think that Mr.. Colfax did; it Is
very difficult for me to remember dates; 49,,
A. L not asking the dates, but the
names. A. 1 have given the names as far as
recollect cannot be positive as to all OF them re-
member distinctly that these were previous to that tme
and it is my impression that most of them-perhaps all
of thom were-but not certain. ,.,.- A.. A..
O. Can YOU how long 1t was before the time that
the stock was offered that you had these conyer
sations with these gentlemeni a. Probably tew
months before the session oil Consress-'he summer
before.
SECOND DAYS CROSs-EXAMrNATI0N OF oAKES
AMES.
By Mr. Merric-In these letters copies Of which have
been filed with the Committee, OF the 25th OF January,
the 0h OF January the 22d OF February 1868 you refer
to letters of Mr. MeCOmb OF the 23d and 2sth Of January
and the t OF February and your letters are replies to
these letters. Have you the letters OF Mr. MeComb to
winch these are a replyi A. No, SIR; 90 not thnK
business letters OF Importance there may be some OF
them among my own letters at Easson, ,,o,o,,n,, q.
this matter, yes; II were shown any answers they
would refresh my memory as 10 WhAt tley are an
Q. Have you examined among your papers to see
whether you these letters still A. No, SIR; my
papers are at Easton Mass think very likely burned
these letters as generally did those not considered I'M
portan; did not suppose anything IN these ieters
would be considered referring TO bribery or any
thing Of that Sort and did not regard them as import
O. In your letter Of jan sO you refer to letter Of Mr.
McCOmb OF the 2sth inclosing copy OF letter from
or rather Mr.. King in which you say Il dOnt lear
any Investigation here" state whether you nave tlaI
letter of Mr. Kingsi A. cannot tell you; it Is among
INV papers at Easton If have IL; recoleet very well
the substance OF the letter referred 10 IN both cases.
O. What did they refer TO A. The nrst letter OF MT
his friend senator Bayard and his friend Senator
Fowler; wrote BACK that haa seen MI fo"iei ou'
O. You state in your answer referred TO here, OF jan
oS 1863 must not put too mucn In one local.
y :" in your letter OF jan SO YOU say Il 90 not rear
any nyest CATION here" did the letter you receVed
from Mr. McCOmb refer to any investigation eaueu lot
or threatened A. cannot say; presume not
know it was frequently alleged in our New-iork con.
suatons that there would be investigation into te
affairs OF the Pacific Railroad, aud always said would
like TO have an investigation; knew tnat hau never
done anything that feared To nave lhyestlsIlssa
it was alleged that things had been done before had
any connection with the road In connection Win ood
lug the original charter which would not bear nvest
CATION About that time G. c. Washburn made speech
in the House Of Representatives, finding fault with the
ratio established and wanting 70 nave then hvesti-
gated charging that they were building poor ROAD,
were trying to the Government and were charging
q great deal too much In the ratio established.
Q. Have you kept any memorandum or any entries OF
these various transactions with the different members
Congress receiving stock from the Credlt oDher OF
whether have any memorandum or not; 1 suppose l
have; probably did make memorandum az the une;
do not know whether have destroyed them II made
them haye none here my papers arc all at Easton as
tod yOu DefOre
ing various transactions with different persons to do
without making any memoranda A Inls was my
habit but within q year or two have had no book
keeper, and used to keep all my own matters in my
own way, and very careless admit do not know that
have any memoranda relating to these transactions;
still may have.
o. Were your answers and statement in reference TO
these various transactions with members OF Congress
contained in your written testimony from memory
and not from records. memoranda. books A. From
memory; had no records or memoranda TO refer ".
WHO GAVE THE STOCK BACK.
O. What members OF Congress requested you, during
the Autumn to return to them the money they had in
vested In Credit Mober stocki A. do not know that
any of them asked me itoireturn their money last Au
tumn.
Q. 1 understand you to cay in your statement that