The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-02-20

NEW YOR,
nore the law. and Q man could worship Jesus. NO
manned or BuddhA. ~ his conscience disposed
hin, no daily newspaper allied Itself TO any secs
The HERALD, however, recognized tho usefulness
and utility Of every phase or religious faith - CIV
ing strength and moral tone to . State. And.
accordingly, It had adopted plan Of publishing
every Monday morning fun reports OF the sermons
preached by leading divines on the day before
M. Guizot listened attentivcly to the explanation
OF tine HERALD's relation to religion and chrissi
anity and said, "That very curious ana INTEREST,"
ing and Is proof OF the religious temper Of your
people, as well as the enterprise and catholic spirit
that marks the conduct Of the Journal" e'
THE FIRST NAPOLEON AND aUIzor.
While the conversation was In desuitory cond.-
ton your correspondent asked M. Guizot whether
he had had any personal acquaintance with Napo-
leon l. "No,n was the response. 81 never spoke to
Napoleon l.. although, Of course, / saw him On ;
many occasions. was always opposed to the
First Empire. During the reign Of the First Napo-
leon M. de Fontanes appointed me professor Of hJs-
tory ct the Sorbonne. An intimation- was r,ven
that in my inaugural / should be expeyted, or.
rather, 1t would be pleasing to the aUt for
me to speak In commentator Of the great EN-.
peror. at once declined, and offered M. de Fon-
tanes my resignation. He did not accept AZ Nor
press his wish. In the whole of my first course Of
lectures did net even mention the Emperor's
name. M; de Fontanes endeavored to change my
purpose. but had my convictions. and did not
mention his name" M. Guizot did not seem dis
posed to dwell upon tho First Napoleon, and with
this anecdote the matter dropped.
GAMBErTA A "KAUvAIs sUJBT."
AS the talk proceeded allusion was made to M.
Gambetta and your correspondent asked NJ Guiz0t
what he thought Of the young radical leader. 'T
have never" he said, ''seen n. Gambetta. But he
s mauvats sVet. de frequents, or has freQuented.
cabarets Tor, as we would say, barrOoms), and 30
FORTH have no doubt he has more ability and more
education than most his followers. believe too.
he is more moderate In his views. But one thing
as to the political position Of that party II M.
Gambstta and his friends ever attain power they
will be overwhelmed by the party OF the Commune.
am not saying that M Gambetta has any SYM
patty with the Commune or any connection with
1t. l quite acquit him of that suspicion"
Your correspondent, remembering the interview
with M. dambetta himself sent to the HERALD re-
Gently and the views there recorded, said that the
Commune hated NJ Gambetta more bitterly than
| even NJ. Theirs and would shoot him had they
| power.
| eyes," said M. Guizot. ~ agree with you. And
cannot help believing the Commune would have
| the power to shoot NJ Gsmbetta were he again to
| govern France"
PRoTEsTANrIsM IN france.
| AS the readers Of the HERALD know, M. Guizot
has. during his retirement, been devoting himself
to the religious advancement Of France, and espe-
cially that Of the Protestant Church. This subject
seemed to interest him, and our conversation soon
tended in that direction.
! GAS you, perhaps, are aware" said M. Guizot, II
an Protestant. The Protestant Church Is in
small minority in France. l presume there are
about one million Protestants in a population Of
$4,000, 600. Nor does our membership increase. We
remain stationary. In France there is O strong
| line OF demarcatiOn between Protestant and Gath
Ole families, for instance. Whether for good or
evil the great majority OF French people are with
in the communion OF the Church OF Rome. They
are nOminally Catholics, and SO far as France has
any religious feeling II Is Roman Catholic. Most
Frenchmen are sceptical on matters OF religion,
but they like to see their wives and daughters de.
, vout."
THE TEMPORAL POWER OF THE POPE.
question arose as to the effect Of the promul-
CATION Of the dogma Of inallibility upon the Catho
lie party in France. n. Guizot said, There can
be little question, think. but that Catholicism in
France has received heavy blow from the
declaration OF the dogma OF Papal infalbility.
Many French statesmen regret the destruction OF
the temporal power OF the Pope. Protestant as l
| am, / never advocated its destruction It came
naturally ana logically to the Popes. But the
changed order OF taings has taken 1t away. In the
early, feuda times, sovereign power and i'm
munity were necessary to the personal security of
the PontiG. Otherwise any turbulent King or
Kaiser could have seized his person and put him
| in prison. 1t was necessary that he should have
| royal powers in Rome, In order that his sacred
| power should be respected out of Rome. But we
are ne longer feudal, and medieval ideas have
| gone with the medieval times. The Pope need not
! fear personal indignity, nor will his power be
lessened as the head Of the Church because he is
no longer sovereign of his small dominions. It
would be wise for the Pontr to accept the changed
order OF things, and TO remember that, as purely
spiritual sovereign, he has now and must always
have more real power, ten times told than any
earthly ruler.n
PIC MONO A FANATIC
The conversation continued In reference to the
personal character Of the present Pope In response
to the questions addressed by your correspondent
on that subject NJ. Guizot said "Pius TX Is almost
fanatic as regards the attributes and preroga-
tives OF hts once. cannot believe that he will ever
! become recOnced to Victor Emmanuel see no
chance Of any harmony between the King OF Italy
and the Pont1cate during the lifetime Of Plus TX.
A few days since NJ. de Bourgsing, our late Ambas-
sador, was sitting in this very armchair, putting
his hand your correspondents chair, "and
said, En- bien, my dear N. de Bourgong, suppose q
man Of ordinary common sense were to go to the
! Pope and strive to show him that 1t is hopeless
task for him to think OF forcing the Italians to
abandon Rome, now that they are really In posses.
sion, and that the Heiy Father as recognized abso
! lutte head Of the Roman Church, 10 really more
powerful without the temporal power than with IL,
| what would Pho Mono sayY Say responded N. de
| Boureenq, he would say nothing but simply order
| from his presence any one who would use such ar
! guments to him. u
WHO WILL BE THE NEW PoPE'
| suggestion arose IS to what would be the effect
| OF the death Of the Pope N. Guizot said ~ hear