Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1873-01-24
THE CREDIT MOBIILER INVEST.
CATION.
Proceedings Of MI POlanA's Commit.


CATION.
Proceedings Of MI P0land's Commit.
tee To-day.
Judge Poland's special committee to investi-
gate the charge Of credit mobflier stock being
distributed to members of Congress resumed its
session this morning, and
HON. WV. d. KELLY CONSTRAINED CAKES
ANEs.
Q. by Judge Kelly:-I understand from your
testimony that you hold as my property ten
A. Yes sir.
Q. Will You be good enough to state when they
A. When You paid for them i'm June, 1865.
z. Have there been dividends since.
A. Yes sir.
q. How much.
A. cannot state what they were.
Q. Have you put them to my credit
A. hold them for you sir.
Q. Then can you tell me what property of
A. Ten shares of credit mobilier stock and ten
shares of Union Pacific railroad stock.
2. When did you get the Union Pacific stock?
A. 1t came into my hands i'm January or Feb
ruary, 1858. Has been two or three dividends on
the credit mobilier stock since June, 1868. but
could not tel what they were now, as he had not
Q. Well, what do Won suppose Won hold be-
longing to me besides the credit mobilier?
A: should think have forty or fifty shares
OF Union Pacific stock. / also received some
certificates for first mortgage bonds. which the
company was not able to give, and they were
exchanged for income bonds, but don't recol-
Judge Kelley.-For the present I am simply in
pursuit of what am worth Can YOU furnish
the committee with list Of the property you
hold for me?
A. Yes, sir think can by Tomorrow.
q; How did pay you for the credit mobilier
A. In the first place you we're to pay me 81 900
for the stock, and interest.
g. Did ask you for credit mobilier stock, or
did You ask me to take il?
A. don't remember now, but know YOU
took it. Did not remember of any interview
with Mr.. Kelley in front of the Ebbitt House
Had interviews with him, but did not remember
as to places.
WITNESS HAD LOANED MR.. KELLEY MONEY
prior to the credit mobiler transaction.
q How soon can You deliver my ten shares of
credit mObilier stock and dividends.
MIR. Ames producing the certificate of credit
mobilier stock from his pocket).-I can deliver
them now, sir, and the dividends yon can have
soon.
Mr. Kelley.-Hand them to the chairman
with the list of dividends for my use.
Mr.. Ames (handing the certificates to Judge
roland Ill you say you don't own them,
Mr.. kelley.-But you say I do own them, and
intend to make use of them.
MIR. Ames.-Certainly, sir; that is what I
agree to perfectly.
@. When receive them from the chairman
will or not be your debtor?
A Yes, for $50.
O. How does that come?
A. II you receive all the dividends and don't
take my pay you will owe me $50, which I
loaned You. The credit mobilier stock was all
pad for by the first dividend of bonds, and the
cash dividends in June following.
e DID You ever hand me a check marked
A. Yes. sir.
Q: Were there any other checks except those
marked W. ID. X. and Sc?
A. Yes, sir.
z. How many?
A. can't tell. I see Mr.. j. r. Wilson en-
dorsed his, and MIR. Patterson endorsed his.
DECIDED DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
Mr. Ames to MIR. Kelley:-You don't deny
having received the 1929, do you?
Mr. ke'iey:-NO, sir; 1 don't deny having re-
eeired the money, but do deny having re-
ceiyed the check alluded to by Mr.. Ames. l
cannot remember of having received it, and do
not believe i received il. To the best of nv
knowledge and belief ! did not receive it. j
have always regarded as loan the amounts
MIR. Ames:-Did you ask me repeatedly when
you would get any more dividends on that
A. No, sir. Did not remember of giving Mr.
Ames note or receipt.
q. BY Mr.. Ames:-What was said when
handed Won $50?
4. can't tell. l had asked Won a few DAYS
MIR. Ames said Mr.. Kelley had asked him
about dividends on the stock.
NC. oRpwAY
sergeant-at-arms of the House, was recalled
and explained how the business of his Office was
conducted; private accounts being kept with
home, &c. He produced the books, and under
date OF June "A, 1865, pointed out the entry OF
SO, paid on check marked w. ID. X, and
signed cakes Ames. Also. produced the check
and testified he believed it was in the hand
writing OF Mr.. Ames.
THE STORY OF CONFERENCE LAST NIGHT DE-
MED.
Judge Kelly denied that he had had meeting
with Colfax, Patterson and Garfield last evening
to determine upon the course they should pur-
sue to break down the testimony Of Ames.
tot ft,atI 10, l..ls~ H.
O'Clock yesterday for Trenton, n. j.
THE CAKES ANEs CHECKS.
a., Moses Dillon and Thos b. Cheney, clerks in
the ONCE OF the sergeant-at- arms of the House.
were examined as to the checks and entries
The former, who is cashier OF the office. testified
that he woad have paid check marked w. d.
h or 5. {. to Mr.. Ames if he had handed II in
Ames made deposit OF $4,000 to his private
account in June, 1868.
MIR. Ames.-win you turn to the book and see
II the check for 1882 is charged to Colfax?
The witness.-It is: but I see nothing to the
credit of his account except mileage and salary
saw no credit ~ the account of Mr.. Colfsx of
81 ECO check.
MR.. CRoCNsE AND Mr.. ANEs
L. H. CrosSse, correspondent OF the New York
Times. was the next witness. Hs testified that
he had quite number of conversations with
Mr.. Ames ON the subject of this investigation
AT least five or six. Had a conversation with
him about the 9Th day Of January; Thought IL
was alter MI Colfax made his statement before
the committee.
Question by Mr.. Colfax.-Did he say he heard
my statement?
A. think he did, am not certain. AsJl
alluded to the statement myself got the i'm
impression that he had heard it.
Q. What did he say?
A. We had a general conversation and I
called his attention to the fact that your state
ment did not agree with his testimony in the
beginning. In response he made the general
remark and believe he said he had no record
but always carried i'm his head these matters
L think he said he presumed Mr.. Colfax Wa
about correct did not understand him to say
he carried things i'm his head entirely nv
recollection is that he said MIR. COlfax is proba
bly, correct. He said nothing about the 81 an. /
Mt. Ames.-Did I tell you Mr.. Colfax's state
ment was substantially or probably correct?
correct F''
Mr.. Ames.-I said nothing of the kind.
Mr.. Crounse.-Then must saw that will Il
have to withdraw my confidence in some state
me nts you made in regard to others
Mr.. mes.-In your dispatches to Yesterdays
Times You did not state the facts as they occur
red before the committee? They were q direct
contradiction of the testimony. That is ali thai
know: Is that the character Of your dis
patches?
Mr.. Crouse:-My dispatches to the Times have
been very fair.
Mr.. Ames.-Yes, generally; but that one |
yesterday was very unfair and very untruth-
Jul.