New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1873-10-07
THE LECTURE.

Mr. John Stuart Mill, in treatise on Ireland,
SAYS that once at least in every generation the ques-
tion What shall be done for IrelandP or WHAT Is to
be done with Ireland again TO trouble and per
pick the councils and conscience OF the British nation"
Icannot say that should be quite inclined word the
question as Mr. Mil wOrded It, believe it would be
for the benefit Of England and for the benefit Of Ire
land too If the question became. what Irishmon
do for Ireland" rather than "What shall En-
glishmen do with itl" And even here Mr. Mil,
whom l believe TO have spoken most thoroughly and
most honestly, and with the best intent and purpose,
speaking as myself shall speak from Englishmans
point Of view has allowed the prejudces OF his position
70 influence his manner dealing with it, propose to-
night 10 give you an Engshman's view Of the Irish
question Naturally. Of the first queries arising was
one answered by Charles James Fox more than
ninety years ago IL is this Has England the
right to rule Ireland unless she can rule it
with the free assent and the real content Of the irish
peoplef" Charles James Fox answered that, and ms
answer as a statesman may perhaps be taken as less
omen 10 rebuEe than mine simple citizen Fox sald:
elf We cannot hold Ireland by love; we cannot rule
her by our influence and affection, we have no night
10 hold her by force" lAppause1 And that Will be
the view Of the question which shall maintain tonight
lam one Of those who can no difference between
Poland and Ireland between Hungary and Erns green
land think that the judgment which is applied to the
one should be the judgment applied TO the other also.
HELD BY FORCE NOT LOVE.
Ipropose that you should look at the state OF Ireland
Rs IL Is at the shall trace it not very far back
as it utterly needless to weary you with long inquiry
into the past but shall trace little way back the causes
which seem TO me to compel the Of things which is
now existing-a very strange state. We hold Ireland
not In any sort OF fashion at the present moment by our
love or by our affection. We hold her as Sarri-
soned country. Any who will travel through Ireland
and see our barracks any one who will go into a
great portion OF Ireland unless the Geographic report
tlv a mi 0oa Will SEE a %
ereiye law as onerous as the Curfew law prevailing at
the present moment in that land. II you regard the
fact that there are in the ials OF Great Britain
number OF men-I not about 20 quarrel with their
condemnation they offended against the law and we're
committed TO prison for it-when you know that Lord
Granville in the House Of Lords, and Mr.. Gladstone in
and out of the House Of Commons, admitted that the
acts OF these Jail the cause that led our Gov
eminent TO begin the reforms which should have
,een taken in hand some 80 40 wears ago
when you have heard that Lord Granville, not rabid
speaker not hasty utterer Of unweGhed words told
his pees sitting around him in the House Of Lords that
they had induced by the very movement for which
these men have gone 10 Jail TO take consideration
tbe grievances which otherwise would noC have been
dealt with al all then say that the strict letter OF the
law fairly closed the jas these men, and that the
Consciousness Of the Government that it had done wrong
10 these men should looked towards Il for remedy
and have opened the doors TO them, at least as
IGreat applause1
There are some who say that Irishmen always Will be
dissatisfied that whatever may do for them we can
not satisfy them Perhaps that might arise from OuI
having done too much for them Laughter and ap
plause and they would have been better satisfied we
had done little less. lI1anghterl II ia said "You
have got rid OF the Irish Church now The Irish Land
Law WAS done away with BY the Land Act
of ISsc and what more do you want y
1 propose with regard 10 the second point
10 urge upon you that glorious the land measure
on the part Gladstone IL yet incomplete and insult
e,ept that IL does not remedy the real evil In the
thai they want removed. shall urge upon you further
.houohts with reference 70 the movement now pre- vail
sng in Ireland-the moyementknow Home Rule g.
the novemeat OF to-day, which n real movement
4bere Reals You may that manifested by the enor
mons meanings held not in Ireland alone but Glasgow
BIRMINGHAM Liverpool, and London itself Applause ]
n IL not An invention today but the movement
,.hioh Daniel 0ceanen advocated in words from one
end OF Ireland 10 the other dntil TIE Government
styped their meetings and drove Inc people lDto con
spira1y. is the sAme movement as theh- ipropose
10 deal with that this evening and 70 express my own
views upon that point fully.
feel that may on this point have dohpio iAsouy
There are Trshmen here present VINO may 'n'nA Nv
not 20 far an ough and there Engshmen mere "no
think may 10 TOO far and there may DC Aine"oa"a
who NAV doubtthe wisdom OF my intruding TINS ma'ef
upon them at all believe that shall De soie W eSV
lsfy the whole Of yOu. / believe that WIN ie''i'
10 the Irishmen, II they will listen 70 Wy
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