New-York tribune., 1873-01-07


subscriber 20 the stock from the beginning; Mr. Ame'
however was half owner OF his stock tney owned ~
Jointly; Mr. Ames collected dividends and divided tne
with Mr.. Grimes; 1t was an honorable suosoiip'io'
made from the beginning, and before any DIVIDENDS
were paid knew Mr.. Grimes we, ana Kne" nin =" 10
an honorable, heightened gentleman.
BY the Chalrman-At the time you made this memo
randum on the letter. did you have any fuitner conVe
saton on this subject with Mr.. Amesf A. da; MI.
Ames being large holder OF the stock, knew tnat
while Mr. Alley was the nominal head, tnat ne Wouiu
follow generally anything that Mr. Ames positively oi
rected him do that he would not do much that ne uu
not assent to; knew Mr.. Alley WELL and knew pretty
well their relative positions therefore followed up
Mr. Ames pretty close get him TO settle this claim OF
mine he finally came out with the remarks There Is
no stock for you you consented to give 1t to me Tor
members OF Congress-" that put the thing in different
positions II that my stock then wanted MIN 10 DC
trustee instead of the trustee OF those other persons
O. What did he tell you In reference to the disposal OF
that stock to members Of Congressi A. Nothing ex-
cept he had given the stock that he had appropr
ted 1t to them had 1t trustee and my understand
ing was that he apporoned the dividends to these mem
bers either 10 money In bonds to them, or to some
friends Of theirs In some way
CONGRESSMAN BRooKss SHARE
O. Did you understand that other stock was given 10
any person except those named In your memorandum
A. think he claimed that Mr.. Brooks, member OF Con-
gress, got what apportoned to him out OF this
amount; Mr.. Brooks Is the only member Of Congress
who is known to have received any Of this stock without
O fair consideration.
O. Are you speaking Of stock obtained for him by Mr.
Amesi A. A portion OF 1t, 80 shares came from him.
O. Was this stock put into his handsf A. 1 do not
know think the stock Mr. Brooks received was given
by Mr. Alleys direction and not by that of Mr. Ames
O. Mr. James Brooks is a member OF the present Con-
gress will you state what knowledge you have in rea-
tion to this stocki A. Am I obliged TO answer that
question:
The Chairman-The Committee desire you TO answer
IT, a. All know in regard to Mr.. Brooks receiving any
OF this stock ia this: Mr. Brooks and Mr.. Alley TO-
gether times and heard Mr. Brooks pressing Mr.
Alley to let him have shares Of the Credit Mooier
stock and heard him say to Mr Alley that If he would
accord him that privilege and give him the STOCK nc
would take of the Democratic side OF tho house,
Mr.. Brooks was all that time either Government Dl
rector, OF said he would have himself made Govern
ment Director OF the U. p r. r. overheard such con-
yersaton between Mr. Brooks and Mr.. Alley on several
occasions; Mr. Alley finally consented to give him so
shares of that stock transferred to Mr. Brooks
or to his sonn-law, Nelson; do not know precisely
when the transfer was made Mr. Alley gave his pledge
that Mr. Brooks should have the 80 shares.
O. What is Mr. Nelson's full name A. Charles NJ
Nelson. think; that was along in the Fall OF 1863
O. Was it subsequent to these letters that you have
producedi A. oh, yes
O. You understood that so shares OF stock went TO Mr.
Brooks and that had the advantage Of them without
making any payments A. Yes, Sir; with all the accre-
tons the par value OF 500 share was paid out OF the
accrued dividend tried TO follow up this thing myself
by getting the Credit Mober books but they
were always sealed books to me- was never ano"ed
TO look into them.
O. Do you understand that the so shares which went
to Mr. Brooks were portion Of the shares put into Mr.
Ames's hands A. Only from Mr. Ames's statement that
80 shares of that amount put into his hands went 10
make up the amount which to go to Mr.. Brooks;
that a passing remark; whether it was true
not do not know
@ DO you understand the remark TO be made in ac-
counting in part for the number of shares Mr. Ames
had placed in his handsi A. Yes, Sir.
WHY THE LETTERS WERE PUBLISHED.
@. State any other conversation you had with Mr..
Ames reference TO his dealings with members OF Con-
gress this subject A This has been gong on
several years. the counsel for Mr. Amess side had de-
manded before proceeding with my cross-examinaton
the production of Names letters, &C.; evaded for
WHILE but finally gave him copy Of one OF these let
ters but he was not satisfied with that; I In
sisted that their letters should not be made
any part Of the case on my side, but the counsel
for Mr.. Ames demanded that the originals should
be made part OF the in my suit visited Washing
April OF this and had an interview with Mr.
Oakes Ames at the Arlington House brought these
fact that was obliged to produce these letters in the
suit told him that had desire TO produce them,
but that his counsel refused to 20 on with any further
cross-examnation until the letters were produced;
said to him. If you win give your signature
agreement that If gain suit you will account to Inc
for this stock will surrender all these letters to you,
and when 20 back Philadelphia will to the
sci that have the letters and will keep copies
of them Mr. Ames replied exhibtingisome petulance OF
feeling: You can publish any letters you have from
me everybody knows that members OF Congress are
brbed and everybody does it," that he said at the Ar
llngton Hotel in this city; then went to Philadelphia
and produced the letters and that how they OUT
up to that time 1 supposed Mr.. Ames had some little
consideration for his friends and that he would try to
shield them he seemed to be entirely Indifferent,
and said could publish tho letters did not Mr..
Ames after that until met him in NewYork at the
Fifth Avenue Hotel after the publication of these let
ters we had little spat between at the time, and he
and have not spoken since.
O. Have YOU stated the substance Of all that has
Cured this subjects A. think unless further
examination may bring to mind something have for
gotten
O. Have you any knowledge in relation to the transfer
and arrangement about stock between Mr.. Ames and
members OF Congress except what you learned from
hmf A. have not and want 1t to be distinctly un-
derstood saying that do not charge or know that
members of Congress received any stock or had any
thing to do with this stock except what have learned
from Mr.. Ames himself; in making this statement
should except Mr. Brookr also Mr. Grimes, who bought
his stock originally 1 have stated, and believe
Mr. Hooper also had stock which he bought at the
beginning.
O. All the knowledge other than that which you have
on this subject is derived from Mr.. Ames A. Yes Sir.
O. Have you any knowledge other than that derived
from Mr. Ames In relation to any members receiving
stock In In this Company from anybody A. Ihave not
Q. Have you made any arrangement yourself. In any
way, with any member Of Congress- A. Never for
dollar either in stock Of this any other company, in
money or any other consideration; 1 never did.
q. Do you know that anybody else has bad anything
TO do with that stock except what you have stated