The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-07-24
The Commanders Of the Iron Clads lara.
3 goza and Arapiles Interviewed at
the Brooklyn Navy Yard.
aThe Government at Madrid Suits
sa Them Well"
''Siempre Heroica Ciudad
Zaragoza."
General Quesada on the Bank Of Havana-A Talk
with Spanish Merchants and Brokers-De-
ssrtions from Spanish Men-ofWar-
The Feeling in the City.

The news which came by cable yesterday to
TIE HERALD from Europe, IN which 1t was
stated that rebellion against the republican
government OF Madrid had broken out at Carta-
gena, naval port, dockyard and arsenal on the
Mediterranean, created the greatest astonishment
among our fellow citizens OF Spanish and Cuban
birth. The widest rumors were spread rapidly,
and hypothesis OF the most absurd nature were
current while the excitement was at its height. 1t
was first rumored that the Spanish Bank
OF Havana had failed, and ON Wall
street during the afternoon it was stated
that the republican Cabinet had taken hight from
Madrid. Then came another equally wild rumor,
that revolt would take place on the Spanish iron
clad frlgates Arapiles and Zaragoza, which are
now undergoing repairs in the Navy Yard OF Brook
lyn. 1t was stated that the officers and crews were
very much excited by the news Of the seizure OF
the 1eet in the port OF Cartagena and that the
slightest spark would kindle ire that would re-
suit in the surrender OF these frigates to the
agents OF Don Carlos. who are said to be active in
New York as they have been for some time past in
London, Paris and Madrid.
AMONG THE "oLD CAsTILIANsn
N was hard to believe that nation having
population 90 000 OO0 and with the glorious historic
past OF Spain, could be brought to such strait as
that which the surmses Of the qudnuncs would
lead one to believe had e.allen people formerly
one OF the most powerful in the world
To determine the facts in the case reporter of
the HERALD paid a visit TO the Navy Yard yester.
day, for the purpose Of having talk with officers
Of the Spanish irOn-cads. The barge and Comm0-
dOre's sc0w. in which passengers are ferried to
and fro by means Of crank across creek
In the Navy Yard, was called into re-
QUESTION, and the reporter with the
assistance and through the information
given him by a sergeant of United States marines,
gradually made hts way in the direction Of the Cob
Dock, alongside OF which the iron-clad frlgate
Arapiles was lying. On the dock huge square
canvas tent had been erected, and under it's am
pie folds about couple OF score Of Spanish sailors
were employed, sheltered, as they were, from the
rays of the sun, in beating the rust from half an
acre Of cable chains belonging to the ArapIles
frigate These dark.skinned descendants OF the sea
heroes who at one time made the name OF Spain
terror to Europe, were all barefooted, and were
working away in happy manner under the super
lntendence OF q Spanish quartermaster. This on
Cial touched his cap and pointed to the
gangway which depended from the side OF the
huge iron-sheathed hulk OF the Arapics Her TOP
masts have been taken of and the "clinkity-cnk''
OF hammers from the wOrkmen made terrible
din. Ascending the gangway the reporter was
confronted by q handsome and courteous onicer,
who, on being informed that the reporter was de-
sir0us Of speaking with Ell C0ndnddnte, at once
led the way over the smooth clean deck which
was swarming with hardy-looking seamen, all Of
whom looked alike. having bushy black eyebrows,
dark hair and swarthy faces.
"sAN JAGO AND CLOSE SPAIN"
AIT and just below the quarter DECK bronzed,
brave-looking of1cer stepped forth from small
cabin. well furnished with charts and nautical In d.
nfv anfc HI nf ha~v
like man who had seen much service under the
Cross, Crown and Lion OF CASTLE. This was the
COnsandante. Don Simon de Manzanos, the second
Officer OF the ArapIles whose rank corresponds
to that OF a first lieutenant In the United States
Navy.
Solicitations were exchanged, and then the re-
porter, who was asked to sit down in the cabin,
said
'Commandante, I have called on you to get some
definite Information in regard to the seizure by the
Communists Of the lronclad fleet In the harbor of
Cartagena, in SpaInf
III have read only the dispatches in the HERALD
Of this morning." answered Don Simon, politely,
and speaking In the English tongue with broken
Spain by mail 1t Will be impossible give any de-
tailed or correct Information Of the matter"
"THAT Resell COLONEL"
'.who is this offioer Rosas who led the insurgents
At Cartagena and what are his antecedents, Don
SimonG Is he an officer OF the Spanish navy, and
81 never heard that he was an officer OF the
spanish navy" replied Don Simon, with stately
bow: Ibis name am Is not kosas: 1t is Pozas as
October, 1878, when Don Luis Zorrilla was at the
head Of the Ministry, rose a. chief of an en,eute
.viUa Ia Repu6lica." He was assocated with tn
Nontijo and they seized the arsenal, win /, 500
General OF Gallicia. do not believe that pozas is
communication the contrary he is, under
san s an oc % o sG ~ and was at
lieve. does not at present hold any commission In
the army"
.'To what class do the vessels seized belong in
'Three OF the vessels reported as having been
taken are Of the first class and are not surpassed
proudly. "These three,n he added, "are the Victo-
ria, iron-cad ram, first class; the Numanca, oil the
class. OF 900 horse power. The Alamanza an old
wooden irigate the Ferroiana is wooden sailing
co paddle Wheel Of @ q
and the Biasco de Garay is a wooden paddle wheel
steamer Of $50 horse power"
"Wnat government do you acknowledge and what
waters, Don SimonYr
Don Simon answered slowly and emphaticaly
s.We know no factions. We recognize the nag OF
Spain and obey our superior officers who Of
sSas M Dow At Modrd fls
"Then you have no sympathy with Carlists or
al know nothing about those matters. IT tho
Spanish neet were all In the Antilles there womid
NOT be any trouble and trouble has arisen at Car
tagena because bad men have been allowed to
creep into the vessels. AS for the government of
Spain you must understand that, as an oficer,
have nothing TO say. IL would be contrary
TO discipline, Yet, as lar as my own private opinion
Eoes believe that In government or cabinet t Is
hot the most brilliant speakers or most learned
men who are most successful In ruling nation.
History teaches that successful rulers have gen.
orally been men who have talked but little, and
those who talk very brilliantly and attempt to rule
N a
II ID very possible that the Carlists may have q
certain success but the officers and seanen OF che
spanish Navy are-@rue when left alone, and be-
Heve they will remain faithfu' to the Spanish nag
AbQYe al things. ! am profoundly grateful for the