The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-08-21
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serv,ewed i began :-"Assuming that you have read
the articles IN the HERALD and other newspapers
discussing Casarlsm,' have you reached any
definite conclusion on that subjectr'
Judge OULD-I believe that fifteen years ago It
would have shocked nearly every citizen to have
even suggested the propriety Of running any man
for third term. Although not Incorporated In
the constitution, the people had as much venera-
tion and affection for the precedent established by
washington as If the limitation had been fixed in
the body OF that instrument.
CoRREsPoNDENT-Do you believe that the Ameri-
can people are prepared to submit to Cnserism, OF
to the assumption Of imperial power by General
Grant or any one elsef
Judge OULD-I have been so much surprised and
startled by the events OF the last twelve years that
have now no fixed opinion as to what or how far
the American people would submit. don't think
any one can shut his eyes to the fact that the
people have been gradually losing their affection,
and perhaps even their respect, for the simplicity
OF republican government based upon written
constitution. The people have not only submitted
TO legislative and Executive usurpation but it
seems that acts OF that kind which have been the
most Migrant have received the highest marks OF
popular approval There seems 10 be also grow
tiOns but Tor the constitution ITSELF When that
becomes general the form Of government loses all
It's sacredness ana Imperialism becomes more than
possible. But do not believe the people have
reached that stage OF progress yet. whether
General Grant Will or can sufficiently pOpulariZe
imperialism between this time and the end of his
term is, think, more than doubtful
CoEEE Ss,oSs En- you think that General
you believe that his election for third term
would inaugurate Casarism2
UNvEIL TEE IMAGE OF IMPERIALISM.
Judge GUILD don't know anything about Gen.
eral Grants aspirations suppose his aspira.
upon his convictions as to the possibility Of his
election. The man who Is confident OF his strength
or who believes he can make himself master OF
the situation Is very apt to be more "aspiring"
than If he were conscious OF his weakness. But
do not believe that If the barrier Of the precedent
set by Washington, and followed by the faithful
servants OF the Republic, IS once thrown down,
what you call Cesarlsm is fully inaugurated. we
might as well then hide the statue OF Liberty in
one OF the lower crypts OF the Capitol and with.
out any further delay unveil the image Of imperial
ism.
CONSEQUENTLY what extent do You think
that the idea OF eecting Grant Tor third term has
taken hold upon the minds of the republican party,
Judge OULD--l cannot respond very definitely
TO that question AS far as have been able to
ginia should think the party was opposed to q
third term. But the powers at Washington are SO
potent III working changes OF republican sentiment
IN Virginia, whenever they set about any such job
seriously that cannot tel how long the republic
can press OF Virginia or republican leaders will
MAINTAIN their present position. The negroes will
obey the word OF their leaders as the rank and file
do military orders. good many of them don't
know what third term means and. as for Cesar
ism, all the powers OF an imperial government
might be employed without avail in an attempt to
make them comprehend it.
HOW TIE SOUTH VIEWS IT.
CoRRESPoNDENT-ln the event OF the approval Of
Inc Inc tf@ isr n me y n party and
peOple9
Judge OUID-The negroes in mass would follow
the republican party While the white people OF the
south would almost as solely stand in opposition.
don't mean that our Southern people would be.
come frantic over the matter. Perhaps some here
and there might look for more hopeful state Of
ahalrS IN the South under imperial sway, trusting
that lite tenure and unrestraned power would
relieve the head OF the nation from the task OF con-
cilating that class ut the North VINO believe that
hate f''1''f''' -
CORRESPONDENCE a decided change Of pol.
icy on the part OF the administration towards the
South, relieving this section OF such embarrass-
ments and humiliations as attend the situation in
Louisiana and South Carolina make the South
partial to Grants election for a third term9
GRANT BEFORE HOSTILE GOVERNMENT.
Image 0rhD 81 t 40 not think It Would very
In favor OF the one term principle. The limitation
OF two terms has been so consecrated by the prac-
tlce OF the fathers OF the Republic that our people
almost universally would insist that the precedent
should be followed, no matter how acceptable Cen
eral Grant might make himself by his favors to the
South. But suppose ii must be undoubted that If
there was presented the alternative OF third
TO the South. and new administration hostile to
our interests, our people would universally prefer
the l0riner me south Is so tired OF its
burthens that II would readily grasp any
hand that might be held ont in honest and
hearty relief regardless OF the antecedents OF its
owner That was the secret of Greeey's strength
IN the last campaign. One OF the consequences OF
this state OF things is that people do not take
the same interest in national politics that they did
living present around us, in matters that affect
our personal safety and daily bread, in questions
which reach even INTO the coming century and
touch our children's children, rising az high above
party politics as do the heavens from the earth
lnf thn strife nf nn tfntan in
move US as much now as they did formerly. still,
do not want to be understood as intimating that
our people are less sollcftOus now as to the con-
freedom.
CORRESPONDENCE you regard the present as
transition period, in which the government is
passing through change OF condition leading to
monarchcal institutions; or do you think that the
signs OF the times encourage the hope OF an early
return To the republican ideas OF the fathers OF
the RepublicS
WHAT TIME MAY BRING-HoPE FOR THE BEST
Judge OuLD-rhe outlook is gloomy enough but
not hopeless We do not know what changes, as
Carlyle says the ''whirligig OF Time, may make.
There are so many centres OF public opinion
In the United States and these are so
constantly changing or widening-there
many new questions forcing themselves upon
the attention Of the age, some OF which, ike
Sphinx riddles, must be answered under the most
and sigacous man who could prophecy surely in
these tilnes As the questions OF the last fifteen
years have been oil so much greater Importance
than those our fathers debated SO It may be that
the questions OF labor and capital and transporta-
ton and others OF which we do not now dream in
tie future may convulse society even more than
those which we have known III our own day TO lit
tue troubled waves so high. Into what haven the
Ship OF state will lie driven no one can tell. II win
reach some one for society cannot always exist in
in Storm c are to hys 9dge sw oss
future by the past OF other nations we
VIII not DRIFT into monarchy, Cesarism or
Gespotlsm, without previous stage OF anarchy.
Ihat Is the only pressure which hitherto mas
iorceu republican people into imperialism. They
nave never nown to Nngy or despotic power, ex-
cept as refuge rom anarchy. VIII this American
Republic prove itself an exception to the line OF
precedents, and voluntarily seek imperialism,
not as refuge from internal disorders but be-
cause u loves the chains by which 1t Is bound and
1he glory OF the man TO whom IL bows as master?
] am glad TO see the HERALD battling so earnestly
IN behalf OF return to the republican ideas OF the
fathers OF the Republic. hope IL will arouse the
siumberng patriotism OF the country.