New-York tribune., 1873-12-18

day In purchasing the necessares. the eegancies anu
understand by what process the gentleman from Penn
syvana (Mr Cymer called upon the House TO vote Io
that the President would sign such law, and then
leave 1t to the courts to determine a. to It's validity
the Cabinet officers aud the second and third officers Of
was now proposed sdfS
Mr. DAWES rep Mass said that he was opposed posespa a.
| ment to that amendment offered by Mr. Tremain; he
was opposed TO them for the which ne had sp
mittod 10 the House the other day. REINFORCED py o
condition OF the executive departments OF the Govern
ment and he stood in defense OF the Officers agas,
ITO say thai nothing could be so for u.s.
in this condition OF affairs to insist upon putting tn
officers In the position OF cutchng NJ Increased
| with one hand and gathering in new taxes with tne
other; coming to Congress and imploring ConsresI 70
posing burdens on the people and then IN ne neh III
voice. sdndng up here and claiming that they o. sue S
unfortunate position that shall be assumea W y
aid take the liberty to say in behalf OF an sse s, r. m
in the desire to cut down every unnecessary anu Oh
rayagant expenditure, whether 1t be In salaries or III
Mr. WOOD Dem, N. Y)-"win the gentleman from
. ioeraased PeTs s sssa 1H as ''
Mr. DAwEs-"Oh, / know nothing about 'nch
things" sarcastic laughter the Democratic side
| Mr STORM (Dem, Peno.) said that no had supported
the act increasing salaries and was willng 10 sia ne
wanted to go through the whole schedule and reduce al
tho salaries tnat were then increased os,soa
| Mr.. TREMAIN at the request OF Mr. Blame InodiuSSa S
| the amendment TO omit the Speaker from inc
scope OF it, ~. %,
The amendment was then rejected-Yeas 70; Nays lej
| Mr. BUTLER (Rep., Mass.), on his name being cauet
said that under the instructions oil his state nc Noou
| Yea.
The question then recurred on Mr Hale's amendment
0n reference to Presidents salary aud II was TO
Mr.. POLAND (Rep', VI offered an amendment re-
auring the members OF the present Congress who re
ceived back pay members Of the last Congress 70 T
fund by monthly reductions aud directing the ireas
to communicate the passage OF TINS Oll 10 ne t nv
| Treasury the money that should ne returned. c.u
| Mr.. BiiCh Dem Ky.) asked Mr.. Poland whether Con
| gress had any power 10 take from ek-inemoers '"o
| money drawn by them as back pay 49,. nm
Mr.. POLAND replied that his amendment did not pro
Mr. BECK-Then n they have much right 10 retain
it a. the President has to retain hs why undertake 10
insult them behind their backs and not dare To put Tue
| same proposition to the Pres dent a.,
Mr.. POLAND went on to speak 10 his amendment ne
had offered 1t in obedience TO the popular Judgment
The popular outcry had been mainly directed 70 tns
to carry out in good faith that popular Judgment "
sh oud compel every who received that back pay,
far it could do So TO account Tor IL on his PieSo"
! salary, or In some other way -
| MIR. HOLMAN Dem, Ind moved rs substitute for
Mr. PoIanu's amendment applying only 10 members
the present Congress who were also members OF Tue
last Congress, omting everything a. to eI-member,
Mr.. POLAND accepted MIR. HOluans iainoudnent ~
| Mr. KAssON made the point of order that the amend
| meBt was Unconstitutional
The sPEAKER said that he did sit a judicial
officer 10 decide on constitutional questions. If he
ruled out everything that he considered uncOnstitr
tiona his duties would be very much gnlarsea ,ord.
| ment and it agreed to-Yeas, lJG; Nays, l0l.
| Mr. MAYNARD (Rep, Tenn) offered amendment
| to except the proposed reduction the employees
OF Congress- aud he spoke IN support OF that pr0pOs
The amendment was rejected without the Yeas aud
| MIR BUTLER (.ep., Mass moved TO amend BY adding
| a proviso requiring all members who had also been
members of tue preceding Congress and In winch theJ
received back pay to return the same TO che Treas
ury. He held that the proposition was logical BAT ne
| appealed to the House TO come up to the matter
squarey and like men, and support substitute which
would lie offered for the whole DILL by the gentleman
from Illinois Mr. Hurbup, fixing the salary at 5000,
TO take effect from tho passage OF the act Cfes OF
| Mr. PAi:KER Dern., n. III spoke on the general
question, and said that lie had striven against the os
nal measure OF last Congress because he Thought unwse
aud wrong Referring TO the attacks of newspaper he
sao that IL hai been stated By THE NEW YORK. TRIBUNE
that had sumped his district avowing MS intention
not receive the back pay, while In fact he hsd not
been on stump at all by himself or oy any one ese IN
his behaf On the contrary IL had been fully under
stood his political friends and others that he dd M
take the money, aud lac had akon ~ SINCE tnls
commenced the paper had reiterated the
same sander and falsehood. That paper wanted niue
of the honor honesty OF s great founder, Horace
Greeley. He stood ready 70 defend Ms actioI and mad
regrets apology 10 oner Dut WINE ne ignored ahh
portion OF the press on this subject he bowed
to the sentiment Of honest people VINO had pronounced
their verdict against the law. lie wanted therefore
cheerfny TO vote wipe out the whole Of tha, egisla
ton He wanted the repeal to apply 10 the highest as
well as lowest, to the President as wei as the
humblest clerk. . ,,,
Inc question was taken rira poce on Mr.. Buffers
amen dineut. aud II was carried DN llJ 10 40
MIR HURLBUT Rep.. ILL., then offered the following as
O substitute for the whole Dill:
ton Representative. Delegates .ta lie Al the rate Of sdOJO e
payable monthly ,ad IA sdhon un,so .h. 'e. n,a
the seat Of Government once IN eacn session ~ e'fe
ssc compensation Of the sreaelO the Hcl'e oiEei
sentative. shall be At te ia;e Of y @ II aaion TO .i s a.
be amount With the aHe allowance io' travelling ei
all laws part. Laws inconsistent with 'h prov"
src 4 T6st the Secc,y rrrs.ur required
Treasury all mat n9drs~n chh pave been
approved Marc6 B. 1873 shall his
! sion bJ the return thereof
| Mr. HURLBUr moved the previous question on hi'
Mr.. DAWES endeayored to get IN a proposition to
substitute bill reported Dy the Committee under
! the Orh instructions.
| Mr. BUTLER and others objected aud demanded thai
| the previous que stIon should pe put.
on Mr.. HurlDuts substitute Dclna again read II ap
peared that il had been changed alter IL irht Of
fered, by fixing the salary O the Speaker ana Ncefres
| dent at 1900 anu 5000.
Mr DAWES called attention to it, and claimed that be
had right 10 debate the proposition III IT. preseut
FORM
| Mr. DAWES anmadycrted the mpropricty OF
changing the knowledge OF the House propo
scn mat was penang % RSSsr SetSIg y ven and
| Messrs. FERRY DeDi. n. ~ and WHliEHOUsE tLib
| question ON Mr.. Hurlbuts substitute and the main
| question was ordered, Yeas. l67; Nays, lo5 ,.,.
Tne question taken on substituting Mr HurlDnts
| proposition for the pending bill and ali amendments
thereto, and IT amid mnche excitement ami after sew
oral changes Of votes from Nay to Yea, agreed io-fess
A motion 10 reconsider was made aud laid on the ia
bie, Tue ieds anu Nays n"'i"N "'o" 'i"'o" 'i INV "
ter motion.
| Mr.. W. X. ROBERTS Dem, n. " then moved TO
adjourn. lCres of NO, M" aud much confusion aud
! excitementl
| Mr.. HALE rep. Me- rose 10 close the debate. but
| was met with the Of Vote "Votc"
| Mr. CESSNA (Rep., PENN made the pon, of order
| that Mr.. Hale had waived his right.
| The SPEAKER overruled the point.
| Mr.. DAWES rep. Mass amid Increased confusion
and with than usual earnestness OF stated
his objections the substitute. He said that the
why he could not vote for was because IT did not undo
what had done last March. He had witnessed this
evening repetition Of the scene Of last March. When
he sat in his seat then struggling TO be heard he had
| been mot with the same treatment A. the gentleman
from Maine (Mr. Hale) had met on this occasion. As
history repeated itself in that respect, would repeat
fof finn.