The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1873-04-01

and consequently to a certain extent the clerical
sentiment In the family but he did not appear TO
me as sharing to any great extent her sympathies
In that respeck
HnSHx " AND THE ORLEANS PRINCES.
We spoke ofthe Bordeaux days.
He said that Henri v. had very fair chance to
the throne OF France then and that the only objec-
tlon he would have bad to his accession would have
been-s'pardon me, NJ IL oure," said he to the vii
lage priest present the probable increase OF cler-
cal inuence IN clyit matters. But he supposed that
had the Orleans Princes been wise enough fully to
submit to the only legitimate representative OF old
French royalty they would naturally have got Q
moral influence over the Count de ChambOrd and
might have easily softened whatever there would
have been extravagant or extreme In the Counts
own as well as his party's personal tendencies.
the General, 'for IT would have had stable form
OF government by this time, instead OF the
the Duo d'Aumale, under whose orders / served
IA Algeria, and have great feeling OF respect
Tor him; bat have several times within the last
Two years irankly told him my opinion concerning
his own and the whole OF the Orleans family Is po-
litical attitude. There cannot be the slightest
doubt that II France Is to be q kingdom the only
king possible Is Henri Y. BY an unconditional ac-
acknowledgement OF his rights the Orleans Princes
lance to hun, and would have had the whole coun-
Try with them. representing, Is they would have
done, the liberal elements Of the regtrne. But az
de Chambord they placed themselves on . reveu-
tionary and democratic ground, upon which they
Bonapsrtism. The Orleans family has just as little
strictly legal rights to the throne as the B0naparte
is quite forgotten While everything the ' Emperor
did IN the way OF improving the conditions OF our
iaboring classes and IN increasing general prosper
tty Is quite fresh In the memory OF ALL
THE NEEDS OF FRANCE.
The vast majority Of the nation does not about
strictly parliamentary forms Of government the
only prestige the Orleans princes can claim to have.
These forms are almost as strange and suspicious
while Inc institutions 81 the Empire Whatever may
have bAen their theoretical value, .Satisfac
torily, md what Is still more important, got the
mass u 5ehe. present generation familiar with
them. Wei want peace and prosperity to recover
our strength Again; we must regain Europe's con-
al we wantat present, and for this no new combina
ton can be Of any use. Give US the ancient French
Empire BACK again No sort Of intermediate course
will answer the purposes we must all have in view,
and told the Due d'Aumale several times, that II
my personal sympathteS were to be sought for
they could be found only on one OF these two Sides
although. II am asked to do SO, will serve France
Thus and similar topics were touched upon
during the whole OF the evening. the
sss to s%
OF the Roman Ambassador I'M. de BourgOing)
So 0sra Sa e nr
being cousin OF the lady, the obvious sympathies
Of the company toward the Pope mlly accounted
the Ultramontane penip0tentiary. But here again
the General did not seem to insist much upon the
reproached M. Thiers In this case for was that the
occurrence created new complication in the
foreign affairs Of France and that he made the
I'M. ThiersD oldest personal friends. All these dis
CUSHIONS had considerable interest to me,
showing the state OF public feeling in influential
provincial circles But the really interesting part OF
the interview for the American readers began when
the ladies retired, M. Dechamp following them, and
1 home L
remained there alone with the General, sitting In
an easy Gy Inc ae o. 0sn
hours more without scarcely ever having need to
ask him question, 80 full seemed no OF thoughts
ing to give utterance to them. This Is, as nearly
as possible, what heard from HIM
A GOVERNMENT SHOULD FIT THE NATION.
II am by no means disposed in favor of the
Republic, and II am opposed to 1t, 1t is not Oh the
ground Of any theoretical consideration dsre.
case. Every imaginable form Of government Is
good as long as circumstances are IN favor OF It
and the people fit to live under it, My view upon the
present position OF France is purely practical one
and consists OF this l know that, sooner or later,
WE SHALL HAVE TO FIGHT AGAIN.
alliances, and we cannot possibly get either unless
we nave perfect ordea ana sranquiitv az nome nome
anything OF the sort TO be obtained under the form
Of government we have at present or any other
selfgOverning combination, which can only lead us
to quarrels and squabbes from the lst OF January
to the end OF December What power that VIII
u
Some people say Russia and America But is the
present, or any possible Russian Emperor, likely
the think them too WISE and too
business-like to mix themselves up In European
politics. II we had war with England that would
with US. But as long we shall have to fight with
the Germans we shall be compelled to look for an
European alliance or to undertake the task single
handed This is my starting point and 1t compels
me to wish, independently from any personal
sympathes and with the sole desire Of welfare to
Eran tnr a
would have had some r0et in the country at large,
and would, consequently, guarantee peace and
abroad. / do not care whether 1t be the ancient
kingdom or the empire, but outside Of these two
forms OF government see nothing except misery
and humiliation for my country"
A FRIENDLY CHAT WITH PRESIDENT THEIRS.
had some time back friendly talk with M
THEIRS for we have sometimes friendly talks with
him, although not very often. When he wants me
he Is always friendly; when he does not he Is not.
However on that evening we were not only on
friendly, but familiar terms, Tor there was no
one NJ his fireplace except himself Mme Thiers
among ether things, OF course, about his position
and political views. ! told him quite frankly
then that the great unhappiness for France was
.Why y, asked they, both laughing and think
| ing, perhaps, that / was about to repeat some
because have no one to care answered
]. "f you had children you would not be disposed
81 TINS n sos sa M the snd Of
| your days; but what Is to come after youY Now,
| we who have children care rather more about to-
| morrow than about to-day, and that Is the whole
| difference between your views and my views, M.
| lie President" But, OF course he assured me that
| such was not the case and that he cared for the
| future Just as much as did.
THEIRS AND THE ASSEMBLY.
At this point ! ventured to ask the General
! whether there was not in his opinion any chance
| for NJ Theirs OF ultimately obtaining q solid and
stable majority that would enable him to carry on
| the government Of the try without constant
| excitements and almost permanent crises. Could
/ he not appeal TO the patriotism Of the nation on
the necessity OF order and stability till the war In
| demnIty shall be discharged and the soil OF France
liberated rom the control OF German soldiers, and
| rally the two centres around sach question:
"No, never ~ answered the General. .'The men
| OF the Centres all either perfect nulties or
/ else very energetic and resoute aspirants TO
! power. Men like the Duke d'Audiffre t. Pasquier
or the Duke de Bregie will never give IN until they
get the power into their own hands, and M. Theirs
Is the least likely man to yield anything Of what