Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1873-01-18
TWO CENTS.
GEORGE W. kKSNEpy

stock.
Judge Poland.-on the hooks Of the comps nv
which have BEEN produced here it appears that
thirty shares OF the stock stand in your name
You never lad any Information OF that fact.
Q by Mr. Merrick-Do you know OF any
dealings or any contracts 10 furnish any body
with credit mobilier stocks made by Mr.. AmeS.
A think have seen on some books some
transactions. but don't remember what the,
were. Ii has been long time ago.
.. IAN you recall any Of these entries.
G. You have no memory at all touching them.
A. Nothing positive that can answer 60.
think saw on these books two on three entries
IN reference 10 parties supposed 10 be members
Of Congress, i remember sir, but very nttle
Mr. Merrick.-well, he good enough 10 tell
us wha: you do remember. You have just said
you remember some names.
A have read 50 much in the newspapers
lately that have got il all mixed up. L remem-
Der nothing can swear to positively.
q. Have you any impression?
A. NY impression is that some entries showed
some members Of Congress had stock.
q. Who were they?
A. think Mr.. Patterson was one.
Y. Can You state TO us any impression YOU
may have In References. to entries touching Mr..
Patterson?
A. think he paid some money for some of
the stock. That is judge 20 from the entries.
q. Well, what other names?
A. Well, sir, don't remember. The only one
Il seem to remember distinctly is, and am not
positive of that. is MIR. Patterson. Did not re-
member the name OF Mr.. Garfield. Did not re-
member the name of Dawes. Thought he saw
something about Mr.. Wilson. Thought he saw
some thing which tended to refer TO Mr.. Coifax
Could not remember what it IVES. The entries
were made i'm pocket memorandum book.
Judge Merrick.-Can you say, under the OBJ
legation you have taken TO tell the truth, that
you have no knowledge, direct OF indirect
touching Mr.. Ames' dealings with members of
Congress other than what you have detailed?
A. No. sir, don't remember.
BY MIR. Smthers:-Had Union Pacific stock
transferred to him by Mr.. Ames, between sIN
and seven hundred shares, for which he paid no
consideration. Afterwards retransferred them
At 1918 the committee adjourned until 10
O'Clock Monday morning.
Investigation No. 2.
In the Wilson credit mobiler investigating
committee, yesterday, after our report closed,
the testimony of Thomas c. Durant was con-
hnued, and he testified that Joseph b. Stewart
and Alex. Hay were furnished with money to
settle with the Leavenworth and Pawnee rail
ioad. In conversation with Mr.. Cakes Ames,
when the latter said he wanted to see what
money had been expended, and said, Sc want
to see what money has been paid 10 members of
Congress; they must do as We want them or pay
the money back" witness replied, f" Ii had
laid them, Mr. Ames, should not say a word
20 you about it,
Question. 1 ask you to state. TO the best OF
checks spoken of by YOU as sent 10 Mr.. Harlan
are not embraced "A this account.
Answer. They are not. i never rendered any
account ior them. There was question about
the checks by some member of the committee,
and 1 told him IL was my own private matter.
IL had presented an account, it woald proba-
Q. How did the committee know any thing
about those checks?
a. They were no secret.
y. will ask you Il at the time you gave those
"a AZ r. -fslfE ntrl l.af
terror?
A. He was Secretary of the Interior, but I
don't remember If he wasor not at that time.
Has no knowledge.of any sub-agent expending
one dollar TO influence legislation.
z. Did they present TO you at the time such
papers as Satisfed you that all the money was
expended by them legitimately?
A. They presented me such accounts as I was
satisfied with at the time. Employed MI.
Stewart and Hay as lawyers. Mr.. Stewart had
an OF &c here, and Mr. Hay was here on behalf
of one Of those India rubber companies.
Witness was closely examined as TO all the
FACTS in relation to contracts and transfers, and
on being asked why the Union Pacific railroad
ceg.d not CONSTRUCT the rQa1 without giving the
contract 10 Cakes Ames, said that the COMPANY
had not means enough &c do so. A contract
could not be made with Cakes Ames without
giving him the benefit OF the portion OF the road
already constructed and paid for by the railroad
company. The stockholders of both the Union
Pacific railroad company and credit mobiiier
were the same, with few exceptions, thes.
the stock Of the Union Pacific railroad com
pany.
Mr.. Hoar.- Suppose the road was built eco
nomically and without unusual haste, and the
capital stock had been subscribed for and paid
in cash, would not the amount OF the govern
ment loan Of So 100000 and capital stock OF
and equipped the road without reference 10
land grants?
A. hardly at the time the work was COM
menced, but might be at present with the
far .ix><if lsal
Q. What would be the present value Of such
property, including the land grants and prospec-
live increase Of business?
A. i cannot say, as 10 not know what the
road is earning.
z. DO YOU Know of asv person holding the
office OF q government director i'm the Union
Pacinc railroad since its original establishment
who has been interested directly or indirectly,
20 far as YOU know or been informed, i'm the
credit mobilier, or in any contract with the
road?
A. know of no other gentleman than James
Brooks; 1 am subscriber TO the stock of the
Wyoming Coal company.
The committee then adjourned.
To-DAY's PROCEEDINGS.
1l:I5 O'Clock. Mr.. A. f. Perry, counsel for the
government, being present.
THE SECRETARY OF THE CREDIT NoBILIEI or
THE STAND.
Mr.. Oliver W. Barnes was first examined. He
testified (the examination being conducted by
Mr.. Hoar) that he was secretary of the credit
mobiiier from 18th of May, IseS, 10 2lst of May,
road, but was stakeholder. Bought and sold
stock for profit Never subscribed for stock.
Purchased his stock in open market, and then
It was transferred TO him. Was an original
subscriber to credit nobilier, and took 10 shares
of stock in 1854. Received his first dividend
from stock january ?, 1885,, which was PAYABLE
cent. Of its par value. Received In Pacific rail
road stock more than the cash payments he
made to the credit mobilier. Has no knowledge
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