New-York tribune., 1873-02-26
THE AFTERNOON DEBATE.

THE AFTERNOON DEBATE.
GEN. BUTLER OFFERS SUBSTITUTE WHICH IS
REFUsED-JUDGE POLAND's DEFENSE OF HIS
REPORT--AMES GUILTY OF DELIBERATE
BRIBERY-PROoFs OF BROOKss GUILT-MR.
FARKSWORTH's DEFENSE OF THE ACCUSED
MR.. MERRICK's ARGUMENT FOR THE RE-
PoRT-AMEs AIDED WITH SATANIC SKILL.
GENERAL PRESS DIsPATCH.l
WASHINGTON, Feb 25.-At 11:45 o'clock the
Sneaker announced that the special order the report
Of the Credit Mobier Committee.
Mr. Butler rep, Mass), as If unpTepared, moved that
the House 90 into Committee of the Whole the Legs
latiye Appropriation bill.
Mr. Garfield C2ep, o., Chairman of the Committee on
Approximations ntmated to Mr.. Butler that 1t would
be Just as well for him attend to his business and
leave the Committee on Appropriations to manage Its
own afrars-a rebuff which brought the laugh against
Mr.. Butler.
The House then proceeded with the special order AS
soon the Clerk had read the resolutions providing for
tic expulsion OF Messrs. Ames and Brooks,
GEN. BUTLER OFFERS A SUBSTITUTE.
Mr. Butter rose and offered the following substitute:
Whereas, Select Committee OF the House has, after
CATION, reported to the House testimony %hcn Ia
one more members Of this House and, -. -,
Whereas, The testimony shows that similar acts nave
been done by other persons not now members OF the
House; and.
whereas Ii clearly appears that whatever acts wero
done oenses committed by nemOers OF tue House or
by any civil officer of the United States now In Office or
ago and within the jurisdiction Of the Supreme Court or
the District OF Columbia; and, " =,
whereas, No legal or constitutional right to use Its
power of expulsion Of its members as punishment or
crimes committed by member before his elec-
ton thereto exists, but punishment OF all crimes ana OF
enses against the laws should be after trial by jury and
judgment before court Oh competent Jurisdictloni
Resoired That in the Judgment OF the House. as It ap
pears there probable 10 believe from the report
OF testimony submitted by the Select Committee or IN
vestigaton OF the matter OF the Credt MObher tnat
grave oenses punishable by the statutes OF the United
States wen at common law, such as giving or re-
ceiyng bribes or false swearing, may nave Deen COM
mtted shown in said testimony within the District or
Lorcbv ordered 10 cause a copy OF the testimony
taken 10 be forwarded to the DistrlctAuorney, inc
frirt with A recommendation of this House that tho
and other testimony which ne may deem material
he shall TO be presented to the Grand Jury sitting
in and for said District at tue next session thereof that
they take such action IL the premises as TO law and
justice shall appertatn
Mr Poland rep, VT declined to yield to have tho
substitute offered, and accordingly the Speaker ruled
that it was not before the House.
JUDGE POLAND DEFENDS HIS REPORT.
Nj Poland then opened the for the prosecution
in speech recng the facts and Jusyng the report OF
the Select Committee. After showing by the testimony
that at the time OF the transactions the stock OF the
Credit Mober worth from 200 to 800 per cent, he
asked whether Mr.. Ames SO utterly insensble to
the profit which could have derived from that stock
had he chosen sell it, that he preferred TO let members
of Congress have it without any profit to himself How
came his charitable disposition all at once TO be so
tended in favor OF members of Congress His ostensbe
business in Washington that Winter his position
member OF the House. but his actual business was the
peddng OF ten shares OF STOCK IN place 10 members Oh
Congress.
Mr. AIues had lived long enough IN the world to know
that Il man sometimes forges kndnesses; that mans
gratitude for kindly act does not last always He had
read enough OF Scripture to know that where mans
treasure there will be his heart also" tMurmurs OF
applauseJ Mr. Ames had avowed his whole philosophy
on that subject He had said: 1.-THE difficulty is that
YOU cannot get to give attention TO thing unless
he has interest 10 do So"
AaEss DELIBERATE BRIBERY.
He had therefore, to contriye other by
which he could make the interest of those leading
in Congress identical with his own, that they should
be as watchful in relation TO this matter he himself.
Ames knew that himself and his friends had started
a voyage which sooner later he knew would be
posed He knew that the nation had been by their per-
formances defrauded OF millions, and he understood it
would he good thing when that time came that he
should have If possible strong hackers and he had
intended by his OF conduct to provide himself
with them. He had done for the very purpose and
with the intent to influence their action members OF
Congress matters to come before them. That an
act OF bribery in Mr.. Ames for which he might have
been sent to the penitenary, although every men,
Der had received the stock from him In entire innocence
Tue law did not require the intent be known 70 the
person to whom the present was made. 1t was
the insidous attempt to undertake to bind q
man over by gratitude that constituted bribery.
II would not do for Mr.. Ames TO plead ignorance Of the
law. That plea not permitted to the most debased
and ignorant criminal And the House to lberaxe
that rule of law for the benefit Of millionaire and OF
ten-year member Of Congessi Was that man 10 stand
up such presence anybody for him, and say that
he did not know what the law was, and did not know
that he violating iti II mans moral sense
wrong which their predecessors had declared
pententiary offense, and should forever dsIualify
man from holding the meanest Office such man hi
TO sit here OF the lawmakers of the nationf
EVIDENCES or MR.. BRooKs's GUILT.
Passing TO the Of Mr.. James Brooks OF New
York, Mr. Poland stated the facts III evidence when