The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-07-19
GRATZ BROW NJ /.
The Administration of Grant
and It's Delusions.
The Vice Presidential Candidate Interviewed
How the Liberal Republicans Propose to
Sweep the south-The Colored Vote
for the Abolitionist Greeley.

Calling at the residence of DR.. The0phllus Steele,
No. SO Great Jones street, last evening, the Doctor
was ascertained to be absent, and the boy In
waiting at once showed the HERALD re-
porter to the paror, In which Governor
B. Gratz Brown was then sitting alone.
1t was an opportunity for an interview not
to be allowed to escape, ana the HERALD reporter,
with characteristic enterprise ayailed himself Of
the opportunity. t
REpoRTER-wen. Governor, I'm glad to see you
so fully recovered from your late attack OF sick
ness. Do you feel like going to work again
Governor BRowN-Not quite yet This has disar-
ranged very much my plans, and 1t will require a
week or two to get back my full strength. In the
presence of 80 many more able speakers really do
not see any special reason for my taking the Geld
Immediately.
REroRTER-Have yon any objection to ten the
HERALD frankly what you think OF the chances Of
success
Governor BRowN-None In the world although 80
astute forecaster OF public opinion the HERALD
is well known to be should rather tell me.
RECOMMENDATION many States 40 you think, Gov
ern0r, you will carrys
Governor BRowN-Frankly, see no reason why
General Grant should carry more than three
States, II the canvass is managed with any
skill and vigor. said just what thought at New
Haven, as always do In speaking.
RECONCILIATION you must expect, Governor, TO
carry oil the Southern StatesP
Governor BR0wN-Certainly, all, unless South Car
olna be an exception. That could be carried with
thirty days. vigorous work by twenty selected men.
REPORrER-But, Governor, you forget that the
administration claims that they viii get solid
negro vote all through the Southern States and if
that be 80, you hardly have the success you
ticipate-as In Mississippi and Louisiana, for in
stance.
Governor Brownies, I know the administra-
ton claims the colorcd men of the South as its
slaves; but it's calculations have no substantial
basis. 1t was under one great delusion when 1t
held In contempt the Cincinnati movement and de-
clared that no respectable body ofprominent repubh
cans could be assembled there. That delusOn was
swept away when It saw the most magnificent ar
ray OF men OF talent and high character and long
republican service ever assembled In the nation
meet I o make nominations hostile to itself. 1t was
UNDER ANOTHER GREAT pELUsloN
when II declared that no convention OF the democ.
racy Of the nation could ever be convened that
would ratfy the nomination Of Greeley and Brown.
That dclusion ii saw dssipated at Baltimore in one
of those grand patriotic decisions that come
upon our politics once In Gen.
fury, and that resulted in nomination
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unanimity than had ever been given to successful
aspirants from its own ranks. The admin
tstratiOn Is destined to have another de-
luslon Obliterated and overthrown, in see
ing its belief that the colored vote will
November blast. That vote will divide General
Grant may get large share OF 1t II the stampede
does not become too general before the election;
but he will never get enough to materially affect
the election in the Southern States.
REPoRTER-wel, Governor, must say that you
seem very sanguine; but can you give any reasons
for the opinion you entertainf
Governor BRowN-Of course; my opinion is
reasons. and it would seem to me that they would
suggest themselves to every one. In the
fSs place the have squeezed
made large promises, ana there is a large number
ont Settlement They have s'' BEEN sSia prom
They have been encouraged to hope for new leases
OF power and yet see themselves In imminent dan
ger OF being charged with the
CRIMES OF THE CARPETBAGGERs
and brought to account. This Is already producing
disruption In their leagues and secret orders You
see new ones springing up in the various States,
all with an ostensible unity, but a real dissent
that only needs opportunity to become opposition.
49, ever and always antagonism between the
coored men living In the towns and those living In
the latter. 1t succeeds for few years and then
the combination breaks. The breaking time
has come, and You Will find all over the South
as much antpathy against the town societies. as
they are called by the country blacks, as against
court house rings in the Northern States.
With the coored population Of the interior, too,
the landed or proprietor class has much influence,
and In q question between supporting General
Grant, who tried to make the war one
SUSTAINING SLAVERY,
who declared In Missouri that II the war meant
abolition then he would strip of his epaulets and
Mr.. Greeley, who has done more practical work
to achieve emancipation than all the theoretical
humanitarians In the country, the white planters
voters where their true interest lies. They can
and they will influence fully one.third Of the whole
coored vote, so lar as legitimate argument and as
surance has any right to influence votes
REPORTEB-Have you any knowledge that these
various causes you enumerate are In operation
now
Governor BRowN-Yes, certainly. In nv own
State they have been In operation for two years;
In Arkansas they will give us more than half
the colored vote In other States q very
same thing Is taking place TO greater or less
tent, and 1t must be so In the very nature OF things
IL Is idle to suppose that mere political breeze is
going to overturn human nature and ubstantial
interests.
REPoRrER-well, Governor, what have You to say
IN regard TO the more Intelligent class and the
Governor BRowN-First, that do not believe
that any multitude are thus led secondly, that a
few sharpers may have ring OF followers, who
may be led here and there, that will signify
nothing In the aggregate, and, lastly. that the
cOlOred people, like every other people on the face
OF the earth, are nstinctivey aware OF that which
promises an assured maintenance OF their liber
ties. That Is the one subject upon which
you cannot fool people, and 1t viii
not take them long to understand that, as their
liberty can only be threatened by the whites, IL Is
better to render 1t forever secure by making IL the
interest OF all classes and parties to maintain IL
than to array the white vote bitterly In antag-
onism.
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICAN GENERAL COM.