New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-02-22
DEBATES IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.

OF the world K.F.
DEBATES IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
THE RELATIONS WITH AMERICA UNDER DISCUS
SION-SPEECHES OF MR.. DIsRAELI AND MR..
GLADSTONE.
In the House of Commons, on the 9th inst,
The Speaker having read the message from the Queen
Mr.. Strut moved that humble address be presented
Her Majesty in to her gracious speech from
the throne" The motion seconded by Mr.. Colman.
Mr.. Disraen, who, rising, was received with loud
cheers delivered long speech, in the of which
he referred the relations with America In the follow
ing terms;
when we talk Of what has happened at Washington,
and indul in superficial conclusions that certain
quences have occurred through the nadvertence, or in
accuracy careesness of any dydual who
may have been at Washington, we are really talking
upon matter which has no foundation Hear The
Government OF England had the responsibility and who
may form that Government will never shrink from
kind Tits Treaty negotiated under the imme-
MsSs,ys G O iO1 have no doubt that the
Secretary for Foreign Affairs and tho right hon
Orobe gentleman al the head Of the Government gave TO
that negotiation their most anxious and their most
scrupulous attention. Well, come now 10 :he point
Treaty arrived iforone many thing in Il which did
not approve. regretted very much the post facO
that perous There were other things in the Treaty
Importance. But l conferred with my colleagues.
conferred especially with my noble friend the SeCre
tary OF State OF the late Government and with tho
noble tho Lord High Chancellor of the late Govern
neut most capable OF compromising such affairs,
and Of adordiug sound Judgment upon thcm and,
though they dsappTOvcd equally with myself these
cessious and even had other objections TO the Treaty
they we're clearly OF opinion That it was Impossible ac
codng to our Constitution for the Houses OF IaTllanent
s iI fct compicted the yery language Of the ere
dentals OF Her Majesty's Commissioners pledged the
royal word that she would sanction everything
they would sign. 1t was, in fact not merely
morally, but legally, a complete treaty without
unwise than hat the Houses OF Parliament when such
Treaty negotiated when there was prospect OF an
United Kingdom aud the United states should exercise
capu0us criticisms which would only tend to exacer-
bate the feelings the other side of the water
tendency OF which would have been TO destroy all
the beneficial effects that mad hoped hrd been
accom- she'd Although, III consequence OF these views,
action was taken by the party with whom L
act either in this House or in the other House OF Par
lament. stu it was stated that discussion should
ase upon the subject One Of the most eminent states
whose name. although was his opponent in politics,
never SHAH mention certainty NOT IN the mouse Oi
which II deserves-I mean Lord Russell thear, hear-
he House OF Lords to this Treaty. Lord Russell,
eminently constitutional statesman, had probably
doubts mot aOO CLEAR nf that the House Of
which be sat might not express Its opinion upon
obstacle 10 its being carried into execution, though
think the course of the debate proved that The he
his view and point out the PROVISIONS which ne de-
nounced But that debate ven rgd Su To S
0itgtinc tho country because the argument of Lord
Russell was that we had made unworthy concessions TO
he United states Of America Hear hear He pointed
ont mat r post faeto dealing with the principles OF in
&c tbousht them that they were perous, and perhaps
ne thought they were unnecessary But Wnat was the
answer OF Her Majesty's Government IN the House OF
I won't trouble the House with extracts have not
coine down with passages from HdnSdTd copied because
know nothing is more wearsome but tn quite sure
shall not msrepresent any noble lord who spoke on
mat occasion. When Lord Russell attacked the Govern
ment the unwise concessions they had made and OF
the character TO which have referred IN tho Treaty OF
Washington, what was the answer OF her Malestys
government True, we have made these concessions
We ready TO vindcate these CONCESSIONS oeheEe
they wise and polite But you qmte forget Ihe
Greater concessions which were made by the Govern
ment % nc an those indirect and CONSTRUCTIVE claims
IcheersI which we're formerly placed before u.s." Lord
Granville tainted Lord Derby with having negotiated
Treaty uudcr which these claims for indirect damage
might made though 1t Is well known tnat he senate
cISims could not be made. (Cheersl Lord Granville
descrbcd this Treaty most Denedcalt0 both nations
INT rsD ciaY 20 to England. And referring TO the ndi'
rect and constructive claims made by the American
Secretary state, Mr.. Fish, Lord Granville SAID In,
stead OF these we have secured limited area, defined
claims, aud have given To the whole prOceeuines
umIei and definite character Under this Treaty you
eau only Je called upon give compensation for the
acts Of destruction that have been done by Tic piVa-
tetrs" ltlcar hear.l
cal. and then said: The right honorable gentleman
CMr Di.raeD remarked that in his judgment the para
graph which described our views upon the Alabama case
was not a aragraph adequate TO the emergency. If
may pre- uine 10 draw the distinction, am prepared to
coutepd that Il is adequate TO the emergency, in the
al being adequate 10 inc llc aI "hiCH' he CIR
cumstauces under which, and the persons by
whom il il offered. The fright honorable gentle
man. under precisely the Same limitations, is
erf,etty Justified in his place III this House IN gong
forward 10 consider what consequences are 10 follow
from The important propositions there apnouhceu bnt
venture 20 give confident opnion-and. further to
claim bis assent 10 the pr0p0sluOn-that th9 uy vi He
Coyernmcut aud OF those who represent England IN a
correspondence and in controversy OF TINS vast
strictly 20 that which at the moment me heces.
sty OF the case requires our o9ect Is 10 IaR S ~
Government
etatrs meet Hear hearl And 90 deciding, II IS
obviously and plainly duty o. state the case 10 the
Government OF the United states, and especially 10 state
II 10 the public OF this country in the mildest terms
which will suffice, and 10 the mind Of the nation
that We do not undervaue the mOmcutous i'm
gentleman has entered upon historical review,
into which II Is not necessary that should fol
low him. further than very humby to echo the declara-
zion that lac has made and the claim that he has ad
yanced his part to be avOraby Interpreted on
can bear witness that he has on many occasions
treated with that judgment and discretion which
are the best virtues OF an enlgntened patriot IL Is
not necessary fOrme TO follow the right honorable gentle
nan through that portion OF the speech IN which ne
dealt with the ClsrendoD-Johnson Treaty or with the
STANLEY johnson Treaty. There were some historical
but they hardly relevant TO the mater now before
us With respect 10 his observation that LOrd Gran
VILE and, think, other member OF the Govern
ent. declared that under the stanleyJohnson Treaty
these enormous claims for indirect losses might nave
been pleaded BY The Americans, L viii only
no one will be more glad than Lord Gran,
vile TO tnd, u such be the case-snd believe II
T. the case-that these indirect claims could not be
pleaded under the Stanley Johnson Treaty Opposition
eLeersl; secondly II there impression in the
House OF Lords 10 the time to which the right honorable
Convention for the introduction Indirect losses that
Impression does not seem 20 have been confined Lord
S5y beijdf ard tiink s5ore r. yif5 ~ i
lie entleInap, Is, that ut 40 time have NO acCedod ~