The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-06-24

Tue LTlDuudl IOE udUldReS on account or 1nQIIFCt
losses; that, as now altered, the article
prevents the presentation Of indirect claims against
the United states on account OF Fenian raids, while
the British draft would exclude only claims arising
from the acts OF vessels, &C., and under crcunl-
stances which may possibly never again occur. He
then asked me about the preamble and he pro PRO,
that II was useless to discuss either while his gov
eminent is contemplating any change in the
understanding IN order to save time, In
case his government accept the alterations made
to the article At this view showed him DRAFT OF
preamble which had been prepared in the de.
partment, reciting simply that the two govern
ments, deemng 1t advisable that there should be
an additional article to the treaty signed at Wash
ington on the sth of May 1871, have for that pnl-
pose named as their pIcnipotentiaries &C., and
saying that see no occasion Tor any other recital,
aud that al to the proposed note, we win not sign
It. He asked II there was any objection
to their signing such note. To which replied
thai we could not control them in that respect;
they had The power to make such representations
to the tribunal they thought proper; that there
might he no objection on our part to the former
was not necessary, az the eject OF the article ac-
cOmp'ished what was then stated as a request
that we would lay the treaty, II agreed to, before
the tribunal, and our counsel would be guided by
II and would
ABSTAIN FROM MAKING ANY CLAIM
on account Of the indirect losses; but desired not
to be committed In advance Of the agreement TO the
article. then referred TO the question raised by
your telegram received Yesterday as to the erect OF
pursuit OF the cruisers, and added that did not
think there could DO any doubt, as both govern
ments had through the whole correspondence
treated this AS Il direct claim. With some reserve
ana caution and disclaiming any authority TO speak,
he remarked that he believed that claim had been
created as n direct clam-One on which tho tribl-
nal was to pass and decide whether or not il be
one for which compensation Is to be made. am
eating the proposed changes to the article which
Sir Edward Thornton had communicated to me,
as above mentioned. Lord
GRANvIrIE's EVASION OF REPLY
TO your question respecting the claim for the pur
suit, &C., Of the cruisers is significant and suggest
thing win fan II so this country viii stand before
the world rs having done all that it could do to
maintain the Treaty and The civilizing principle
which IL established. The responsibility OF failure
must rest With Great Britain, who evidently will
have shown reserved interest and an object of
future advantage not avowed. Much as this gov
crnmcnt VIII regret the failure 1t
CAS- STAND 1T AS WELL AS GREAT BRITAIN.
There are some things in the telegram received
Ibis morning which may require comment, but
incline to the hone that what may seem arrogant
In Lord Granvlles remark. ''that he will not insist
on certain language In the proposed preamble"
arises from the cOnstraint Of the Geographic
form OF communication: and so, TOO, the
suggestion of condition that assurance he
given IN writing OF certain things. As presented
In your telegram these observations appear such
am confident YOU would not have listened to with
out repelling them. ! confidently hope that their
unpleasant appearance is to be attributed TO the
stsle Of teleafaphic correspondence. Sir Edward
Thornton was tod by me some days since what
understood would probably be the expected change
made some mistakes in transmitting II. gave him
no copy. He must have reported It from memory.
But, whatever 1t was it was thing under consid.
Grafton, and the committees report was changed
10y the Senate. | see, therefore, no Importance to
be attached TO variance in the final action of our
Senate from what was at one time expected, al
though what expected Is different from what
Lord Granville has understood to have been cX-
pected.
Mr.. Fish telegraphs General Schenck May 30 as
follows:--
ing. We cannot understand the objections which
Lord Granville raises He raises new issues, but
suggests nothing III the direction OF an agreement.
CRITICISM AND OBJECTION WITHOUT SUGGESTIONS
lead TO no results and do not give assurance OF
desire to harmonze differing views. You have in
formally suggested various modes OF agreement,
but Great Britain has met all with the demand TO
withdraw claims which we feel were justified under
the treaty In presenting. While the obligations
which Great Britain has in various forms prOiered
Oh her part have all been substantially the same
and have been vague, uncertain, ideal, and not
likely ever to become available the article proposed
by The Senate is fair, candid and reciprocal This
government has endeavOred to express its views,
objects and meaning with respect to the principle
embodied therein in the correspondence which has
have had with Her Maiestys Minister Of Foreign
Affairs. As to the proposed article If it is to he
come treaty, must be signed and be submitted to
the Senate for approval.
But TWO DAYS REMAIN
within which that approval can be had and the
treaty forwarded 10 London to enable the latifca-
ton to be exchanged In time to ne presented TO the
arbtrato,s at their meeting In June Further ex-
plantations of the views of the government seem,
impossible to be interchanged be-
tween here and London. But you may
have been communicated to YOU from this
Department. The President is extremely anxious
to preserve II treaty embodyng and giving practi-
cal application to the doctrine Of arbitration as
mode of settling international differences and for
that end has been willing to make large conces-
Minister to the fact that unless the treaty
be signed ana approved by the Senate, so
that the Presidents ratification can leave here
steamer, 1t cannot reach London in time to be
there exchanged and lie presented to the arbi-
traitors at their meeting on the 10Th of June. The
suggestion o! another treaty to adjourn the meet
ing ut Geneva seems impracticable. The Senate Is
In the last days Of the session, and its time is pre-
disposition on the part of the British government
to suggest anything to which this government
could assent II would be impossible to secure
enough OF the time OF the Senate to agree to a
treaty which promises 0nly further delay and pro-
crastination. ] regret not to an ind cation Of
desire on the part of the British government to
this government. II the British government has
any proposals to make they will be fairly cOnsid-
friendly and honorable agreement. We neither
ask nor Will we consent to anything else. The tone
Senate and this government are to expect what
Great Britain may have suggested. Our view is
very different"
General Schenck to Mr. Fish, May ao:-
Your telegram Of yesterday received, and com.
municatcd with Lord GRANVILLE. He said lie would
con1nc himself to one remark, namely, that your
statement at the beginning, from the words, "He
raises down to the word "views," was mex
plicablc to him. What had been the course they
had pursued9 They had, at the request Of the
government OF the United Scates, drafted All ar
ticlc, founded on an idea Of that government
The government of the United States had
amended that article. and in answer they had not
m n.a saiea an "Sssiop amendment but
s,dp said he would make AM lur
Their argument until he had submitted TO his col
leagues the communication which had Just been
made to him. stated that ] did not wish 10 go
into any argument but would just state again what
were my views Of the present situation and differ
cncc between us, though it was but repeating for
mcr statements said to him, II assume that
your object, like ours Is TO affirm the principle that
EErrRALf ARE not ~ De HELD LIABLE
for Indirect and remote damages which may he the
result OF failure to observe neutral obligations
ana to establish as a rule to be observed between
our two nations Your proposed form Of article ae
II was amended by the Senate we think does tina. ;
you think it II too vague. We think your proposal
either ma nriGna!.gy made OF as modified by
your proposed amendment of the language
Of the Senate, would lie altogether uncertain as q
r,ila IN, IN MOT col