New-York tribune., 1872-06-24
NEW-YoRK MONDAY, JUNE "a. 1872.
,ut I desired not to be committed

then referred TO the question raised by your tee
pon the claim for the expense Of the pursuit Of
cruisers, and added that did not think there could be
any doubt both Governments had through the whole
correspondence, treated this direct claim with
and caution and diselamlnR any authority
to speak he remarked that he beheved that claim had
Tribunal was to pass and decide whether OF not IL pe
one for which compensation is 10 be made | am this
morning in receipt OF your telegram communicating the
proposed changes to the article which Slr Edward
Thornton had communicated to me rs above mentioned.
Lord Granvilles evasion Of reply to your question
respecting the claim for the pursuit. &c OF the cruisers
sibe that the Whole thing will fail II So this country
will stand before the world as having done al that II
could do maintain the Treaty and the cyiiZng prin-
eple which It established The responsibility OF failure
shown reserved interest and an object OF future ad
vantage not avowed. Much as this Government wire
gret the failure, II stand II as well as Great Bran
There some things in the telegram received tns
morning which may require comment, but incline 70
ves remark that he viii not insist on certain language
in the proposed preamble arises from the eonstrantof
suggestion of condition that assurance be given in
writing of certain things. AS presented in your tee
you would not have listened to without repelng then.
confidently hope that their unpleasant appearanees
pondence Sir Edward Thornton was told by me,
some days since, what understood would probably
he the expected change recommended by the Senae
Committee He has made some mistakes in Transmitting
it, gave him no copy He must have reported 1t from
consideration, and the Committees report ehangd
by the Senate. see, therefore Importance to be az
tached to a variance in the final action OF senae
from what it was at time expected, although whit
understood to have been expected.
Mr. Fish telegraphed Gen. Schench, May %, as fol
lows:
CRITICISMS AND OBJECTIONS.
Yonr telegram of last night received this morning
We cannot understand the objections which Lord Gran
vile He raises new issues, but suggests nothing
in the direction OF an agreement Criticism and oljec
tion wtheut suggestions lead to results and do not
give OF desire TO harmonic differing views
You have informally suggested various modes OF agree
ment but Great Britain has met all with the demand TO
withdraw claims which we feel we were usthed under
the Treaty IN presenting While the obligations which
Great Britain has in various forms pniiered on
her part have all been substantially the same
and have been vague, uncertain, IDEAL and not hkely
ever TO become available, the article proposed by the
Senate is far, candid and reciprocal This Government
has endeavored to express its views oleets ana mean
ing, with respect TO the principle embodied therein in
the correspondence which has taken place and In the
communications which you have mad with Her MaJesys
Minister of Foreign Affairs. As 10 the pro-
posed article, If it ia 10 become treaty u must
be signed and be submitted TO the senate Tor
approval. But two days remain within when mat APP
TO enable the ratification to be exchanged 10 time 70 be
presented to the aTOrators at their meeting IN june
seem therefore impossible To be nerchanged between
here and London. But you may be able TO explain
these views they have been communicated 10
you from this Department The Presideat is
extremely anxious TO preserve a treaty emDodying
tratOn a mode of settling international differences
and for that end has been willing to make large conces
sions. You WIFI call the attention OF Her Majestys
Minister 20 the fact that unless the Treaty be
signed and approved by the senate. so so that
tomorrow and 90 by Saturdays steamer, IT cannot
reach London in time 10 be there exchanged and be pre-
sented to the arbraOrs their meeting the 18th Of
June The suggestion Of another treaty 70 adjourn the
meeting at Geneva seems mPrac6caos so lee sen
and It's time is preoccuped. In the absence
British Government 10 suggest anything which This
Government could assent, IL would De Impossible 10
secure enough of the time Of the Senate to agree to
treaty which promises only further delay and
procrashnaton' ! regret not 70 see an p,lh indh
Government TO agreement Wnlch
will be honorable TO this Government. II the British
irlv eonsidered with the most sincere desire Of
frank friendly and honorable agreement We neither
Lord er%nviss notes % assume mat nc senate
and this Government are TO expect what Great Britain
may have suggested. Our view Is very different.
Gen. Schenek telegraphed TO Mr. Fish, May 80:
FRUITIEss DISCUSSIONS.
Your telegram Of yesterday received and eommun
Saeu ,s " i rI name1v maj vonr sfatement AT The
beginning from the words He raises down TO the word
they had They had at The request Of
Government OF the United States, drafted an article
of the United States mad amended thst article and in
answer they mad not merely stated an objection
ucIe for their consideration He said he would not make
any further argument untl he had submitted to h col
Leagues the communication which had st been made to
him stated that did not wish to go into any argu,
ment but Would s1 se @ asse bTee rss my though
1t but repeating former statements SAID 10 Nun;
the assume pFScps 9as @ r nS are lot to Be Red
liable for indirect and remote damages which may be
the result failure to observe neutral obligations and
10 establish as rule to be bservedbeween our two
| nations. Your proposed form OF article as II was
amended by the Senate think does that you think It
Ia too vague We think your proposal, either as oig
Ially made modified by your proposed amendment
altogether uncertain rule, in practice confines
itself 10 hypothetical which may never occur and
instead Of recognizing and applying te general prnc
pie limits the rule to three classes OF ndinet
claims being those which are put forward by the United
States in their case at Geneva The Cabinet Is noSn
session
Gen. Schenck, to Secretary Fish, on May 80, in
formed the latter:
Your telegramtof the 2sh, dec innR, the part OF
me Hea 20 was 10 in the night ind
communicated to Lord Granville yesterday morning
Earl Granville, TO Gen. Schenck, May q, wrot as
followss
Fish the accompanying form of preamble TO whiehHer
Maiestys Government were prepared TO agree IN che
convention should be concluded enbodyng the drat ar
ticle have learned from Sir e. Thornton that MI 1sn
would prefer the omission OF the words n order haithe
same may be communicated TO the Tribunal of Arbtra
ton the idance of the proceedings OF that lrbu
and nave this day informed Sir T.. Thornton that he
NAV tell Mr. Fash that Her Majesty's Government wnot
insist words which he desires to omit In thepIe
ing that the Of the United states viii agree
TO the form of nate which proposed and OF which sent
Won copy on the goth instant, communicating tie CON
yenton on the part Of the two Governments 10 ne Ir
buna OF Arbitration at Geneva nave to add thats
convention, and instructions TO do SO II the proposals
contained in this other letters OF this days dfe are
agreed 10.
Earl Granville wrote 10 Gen schenck, May q:
have lost no time in laying before the Cablnt tne
telegTaphc dispatch from MT Fish, which you coIinun
Gated 10 me this afternoon, informing OF the rut OF
the deliberations OF Senate the draft artic6 sun
itted for their advice 10y the President OF the United
States ItappeaTed from this dispatch that the senate
had agreed TO advise consent 20 the adOpOn0i the
proposed article with substitution for the hih ana
fourth photographic Of two paragraphs as follows
And whereas, the Government OF the United states
has conended that the said claims were incudedn the
Treaty; and whereas, both Governments adopt or the
future the principle that claims for remote Indirect
Losses should be admitted the result OF the failure
10 observe neutral obligations far as 20 declare hht ~
will hereafter guide the conduct Of both Goyernments IN
their relations with each other; now, therefore," 6c
In Communicating this dispatch 10 you inquired