The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-09-27
strong enough to govern the country either with
or without M. THEIRS.

rarely 90 tulngS Dy naiveS, ana although no Poo-
pie they would submit to any regime when forced
upon them, II LETT to themselves they will und0ubt-
edly decide for the republic: nrst. because they
have found 1t to suit them better than any other
form OF government second, because 1t is the gov
eminent There Is and always has been large
conservative party In France, who because they
love above oil things order and supported the gov
ernment de J1tt whatever that might happen to be,
were supposed to be mOnarchsts. 1t is great
mistake. and the proof Is that this very conserva-
tive party is now one of the strongest supports OF
the Ren"N They are possibly neither very
rs nor very decided monarchists,
u ay n supporting the government,
900 hat H.ap at now to be o Republic. II the
lHeet.ol 800 tc m they will vote for the Re-
oun 0r be 'eason that they voted 'out'
pe IL nous l,ee0tscite Of the Empre-because
.,orthrow of the existing state of things can
not be accomplished without civil war.
THE POWER OF M. THEIRS
CORRESPONDENCE suppose the Right would say
the present government Is not a Republic
M GAMBEITA-It is too late to say that. They
have agreed to undertake the essat Ioyae of the Re-
public; they have made NJ Theirs President of the
Republic, and they cannot now say that it is not
the Republic. am willing to grant that they were
foolish to make M. Theirs President of the Repub-
lie when they did not want Republic, and to agree
to the essdt loydte when they did not mean 1t; but
1t Is too late now and the very fact of their having
done so is a convincing proof of their incapacity
and unntness to rule the country. There Is not
cohesion enough among them to form
majority They cannot even unite upon
leader; and although they are perfectly well
aware that they do not represent the country
they cling to the semblance of authority by
which NJ. Theirs amuscs them with stupid, unrea-
soning obstinacy Of which only monarchist is ca
pable. They have neither the power to govern,
nor the good sense to give place to new AS
sembly. The consequence Is that NJ Theirs is as
completely master Of the situation ever was
Napoleon III. in the palmiest DAYS of the Empire.
CORREspONDENT-So you think there Is no danger
of their replacing M. Theirs by somebody more
congenlal to their tastes
NJ. GAMBErTA-Not in the least. Propose whom
they WILL there will be found q heavy majority
against him. There Is absolutely not one other
man In France who could get majority, or even
plurality, of votes In this Assembly No, the
only course left open to them is to dissolve.
CORRESPONDENCE which case. of course, much
will depend on the influence Of NJ. Theirs.
THEIRS EMULATEs WASHINGTON.
CoRREspoNDENT-Do you think he really wishes
to found the republic
NJ. GAMBErTA-I do. In the first place he was
headed not to see that no other form of govern
ment will now succeed In France, and he Is too
clever not to prefer playing the role of Washington
to that of Monck. Besides, M. Theirs, whatever
else may be said Of him. Is certainly great patriot
and Is now, am sure. perfectly convinced that
France can only be saved by the Republic. He will
therefore, when it comes to that issue, support 1t
with all the tenacity of which he Is capable.
MoNARCHlsTs AND REPUBLICANS HAVE CHANGED
PLACES.
CONSEQUENTLY you think he would be dis
posed to put down any attempt to overthrow the
Republic with the strong hand7
NJ GAMBETTA-Certainly. And he would surely
crush monarchical instruction as he did that OF
the Commune, and with the same right. The truth
is the monarchists are in very awkward position.
Hitherto having always had things their own way,
they denounced the republicans plotters against
the government, dsturbcrs of the public peace,
demagogues who were willing to create civil war
for the accomplishment OF their mere partisan
purposes We were denounced as ft,ctietr scrib-
lers in the papers, men who did not know what
they wanted, and we were given all the hard names
in the vocabulary. Well now the tables are
turned; we are the supporters of the government,
we are the party OF order and Of moderation, we
are the great conservative party Of the country,
to whose standard all the honnete gems are invited
to rally, and the monarchlsts are obliged to play
the role of
PLOTTERS AND CONSPIRERs
They are the demagogues, the Jactteur, who are
willing to sacrifice the country to their devotion
to a dynasty or man; and we shall probably see
them sooner or later going down into the Streets
throwing up barricades and raising enoeuteS They
are just now being paid back In their own coin,
and they do not like 1t.
Conference.-The republicans are disposed
just now to heartily support NJ. Theirs are they
nOtP
NJ GAMBETTA-Yes that is, as far as he shows
himself disposed to sustain the Republic. They do
not believe in many of his ideas with regard to
protection education. finance, the reorganization
OF the army, his foreign policy; in fact may say
that on nearly all these subjects they
have entirely different views, but they re-
gard the establishment OF the Republic as
the first great object to lie obtained, and they are
reasonable enough to understand that everything
cannot be obtained at once. They are, therefore,
inclined to compromise In everything except the
Republic, believing that If 1t is once firmly estab-
lished everything else will follow Now, M. Theirs
has shown himself decidedly in favor of maintain
ing the Republic. They will, therefore, sink minor
considerations and support him.
CORRESPONDENT should say that you and NJ
Theirs working together would make strong
team.
II. GAMBETrA-I think M. Theirs, with the assist
ance OF the republican party, will, In view Of the
weakness and division Of his opponents, their want
OF cohesion and inability to choose leader, be able
to keep them in check until they obliged give
way to new Assembly, after which we have no
apprehensons as to the result.
WAR WITH GERMANY
CoRREsroNDENT-Do you not think France will
soon be in a condition to rccommence the war with
Germany, and that the nation will demand its
NJ. GAMBETTA after some consideration
undoubtedly think that France will soon have
in great measure recovered from the effects of
the war, and that those who thought her Frustrated
for fifty years were very much mistaken. Never
theless, do not think the nation will be at all dis
posed to attack Germany very soon upon the