The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-18

1 ~. "A. TODDcTy
Metropolitan Hotel on the 23d OF March.
Q. Was the rest OF the board friendly to Mr.
Could objection made and sustainedl
gested for the new board Of directors A. No sir.
Q. You speak in your affidavit Of some photo
graphic hkenesSes OF some
EUROPEAN CONNECTIONS,
shown to MI. Clark-are they IN court A. Yes
SIR will show them to the Court II it wishes to see
them.
Judge Brady-I don't care to see them.
witness will put them in my pocket, then.
@. What was the name OF the person to whom you
entrusted your property Objected to and obiec-
BY Mr.: Porter-Have you stated fully in your am
davis the substance ofyoar conversations with MI.
EXAMINATION OF JAY GOULD.
Mr. Jay Gould was now called and took the place
vacated by Mr. Gordon at the witness stand He
was fully as selfpossessed MS his predecessor and
was first examined by Judge Porter.
9; aaye yon read the alfidavits printed In this
Q. Is this your affldayit Cshowing one to the wit
ness Of the q Of March)s 4. Yes sir.
q. Is this yours, Of the 9th or March Showing an
AFFIDAVIT Of this datcls A. Ipresume so.
s 2; Have you any doubt about ity A. That's my
third affidavit Of his being produced).
q: As to the first affidavit, do you now sware that
each and every Of the matters therein stated are
Q, As to the second the samcs A. To the best Of
q. In your second afidavit you state that you are
informed 80 ana SO by Mr.. Belden; is that trueS
a. Yes, sir; what swore to about puts and calls
| Is true; sware now.
q. You never signed put aud call for Mr., Goulds
O. bid you believe Mr.. Gordon to be an alieuq
| A. believed him to be what he represented him.
| self to be-
O.. Are you in the habit Of employing aliens to
buy landY A. employed Lord G0rdOn-Mr. Gordon
@. You believed him to be member Of the Brit
ish House Of Peers9 A. Yes, sir.
q. Mr. Gordon was not brOkers A. Not that
Q. Were you not brokerq
| NTERLOCUToRY.
| Mr.. Fed.-l object To the style OF the examine
ton, and particularly the tone and manner OF the
counsel. 1t Is not defcrential.
] Mr.. POrter.-I cannot be deferential.
| Mr.. Fied-It Is not respectful.
Mr.. P0rter-I cannot be respectful.
Mr.. Field-It Is not courteous.
After further remarks the witness answered that
ne was special partner N brokers' firm
Mr.. Gordon at the Metropolitan Hotel, with which
to buy land at ChappaquaS A. don't remember.
ouslya A. Yes sir; at dinner party day or two
| previous
A. Lord Gordon askehu would furnish the means
| to buy the land.
| represented himself to be Lord Gordon; Mr.. Gree.
| ley was present and described the lord; MIR. Gree
| ley was solcltous to have some one buy the land
who would improve IL on the same system as his
| own home; Gordon called me aside and said, "Mr.
Greeley has put his heart on buying this land now,
can get that land II you will furnish tho means; l,
| In my high position, can make IL
PRESENT no MIR. GREELEY
In such delicate way that ne Will not refuse It,"
Q. Was this all that was said A. Yes; we then
! resumed our dinners.
| q. How about your next interview with Mr.. Cor
buy the land previously referred to and gave them
! to him, telling HIM what they were for; he prom
ised TO- see Mr. Greeley at once about the purchase
e. Was that all that was said A. All.
O. All that was done A. All.
O. When did you see Gordon neXt9 A. On the
Sunday preceding the Erie troubles; Mr.. Greeley
was present; It turned out that Gordon had not
gone to see Mr. Greeley. rs arranged, about the
purchase Of the land at Chappaqua.
O. YOd took no receipts for these shareS9 A. No,
sir; took the numbers
q. Ever see the landy A. No. sir.
Q. Did you know the price2 A. 1 think there
were about hundred acres, and the price 5000 an
Q. In one of your aflidavits YOU mention that Mr..
Belden told you of the representations made to him
by Mr.. Gordon ~ to his being the
EARL OF ABEERDEEN2
A. He told me many things said by this wonder
full man.
Q. Had you ever heard Of the Earl of Aberdeen
O. OF Lord GordonS A. No, SIR
O. Who wrote the railroad pass you gave to Mr..
Gordons A. 1t filled in by my private secretary.
INTRODUCED TO MR. GORDoN9
a telegram from Colonel Scott; the telearam d. d.
| rected me to send my card to Lord Gordon and
conler,with him fully; went to the Metropolitan
! Hotel and sent my card to Lord Gordon.
Q. What was tile conversation A. Mr.. Gordon
was IN a state OF great indignation; he said that
believed Mr. Scott playing false and doing it to
operate In Wall street; he said he would show Mr..
Scott that he could not tribe with him; that he had
already taken steps that would bring him on his
knees, and that when Mr.. Scott came there again
he would throw those folding doors open and show
him his worst enemy.
q. Anything more said9 A. Mr.. Gordon said he had
been on my track for year; he had come here to
examine into matters connected with the Erie Rail-
road, and was satisfied that was the best man to
damage the affairs OF the road; he said he was in
innate with some OF the leading men of the CITY:
"YOu have seen the attacks in the papers against
you," he continued; "a these are written on my
m GGassy most va@
be surprised to see him here at any moment" and,
sure enough, there was knock at the door, and in
walked Mr.. Greeley. tLaughterl Mr. Greeley
addressed Mr.. Gordon as Lord Gordon, and spoke Of
what the latter proposed to do in connection with
Erie Railway affairs.
| q. You believed that all the
| EDITORIALS IN THE TRIBUNE
against myself were written on that table? A.
Q. Wen, about the next interview with Mr.. Cor.
! DOM a. He spoke of the large amount of stock
he could control, he said he owned S30,009,0 600
worth OF stock himself and could control s2o,ooOOoO
/ o. what else A. He told about his income and
said IL was s3.0oo,0o0 year: he mentioned three
English noblemen who would dispositions on the
Board Of Erie Railway Directors; there was good
deal OF talk, but IL was pretty much this strain;
at other interviews he spoke Of the
| HEATH AND RAPHAEL LlrIGAT1ONs,
and said he could control them; he said he had got
to stop the litigations and control matters at Al
bany; he asked an assurance from mo that would
cooperate WIN MN anu trcelcY as TO the men,
bers for the new Boards he said lie had expended
! over a million dollars in the matter already.
z. And you believed IL A. Yes: at the time
| told him would give him q guarantee OF my good
faith; at the next Interview told him would place
| certain securities of my own In his hands as a
pledge OF my good faith.
Q. Well, po on with the conversation. A. Mr..
Gordon said that very honorable; at the inter-
| view succeeding this gave him COO shares OF Erie
Railway stock; on the following morning took him
| the other stock; went down aud
bnEw $1eo,o0o
from the Tenth National Bank, to make mp the
amount OF $500, COOS took the money TO him: mean.
time Mr.. Gordon had written me q letter-fwlch
was put in evidence t-statiDg that he had omitted
70 figure correctly and asking for 5000 600: gave
him the additional 900 on the 9th of the month
O. Give US the particulars Of the next interview.
A. Mr.. Gordon, previous to my seeing him again,
wrote second letter lalso put in evidence the let
Ter expresses approval OF the conduct OF Mr.. Could
and pIomlses q glorious future for The Erie road