The New York herald., 1872-07-04
the DEP0sED JUDGE.
IAN Interview with Ex-Judge
McCunn.
What He Says Regarding His Senatorial
Judges-A Slap at Hoffman Tammar
ny as Dead as Benedict Arnold.
He Will Carry the Matter to the
Court Of Appeals.

He Win Not Sink Under tho Judgment buA
Come Out Of It Like the Pebble Of the Ocean,
Brighter and More Polished from tho
Friction Of tho Angry Wave"
Next to the Stokes trial the removal Of Judge
McCunn by the Senate was yesterday the theme Of
conversation in political circles The deposition
was expected 1t is true but the completion OF the
work created much excitement. HRBALD re-
porter was despatched yesterday afternoon In
search Of the victim of legislative action with o
view OF obtaining from the Judge any Information
the subject in his possession which had not beea
brought out on the trial.
No. 2O8 West Twenty eighth street, the residence
Of the alleged Tammany judicial offender, was
reached about twenty minutes before nve O'Clock.
It Is unassuming three story and basement brick
structure, located in quiet neighborhood, with .
white door that bears plate In polished silver to
indicate that 1t Is the abiding place Of Judge
McCunn. gentle ring brought to the door tidy
Irish girl, who, In answer to the question whether
Judge McCunn was within, naively answered "Yes,"
but, hcsitating, continued,
''TnE JUDGE IS NDIsPosED.
but, perhaps, will see you." Giving his name e.
the polite domestic she ushered him into the recep
ton room, and hurried to convey his wishes to
the Judge. During her absence survey was taken
Of the reception room and parlor, and the reporter
was astonished to discover in the rooms and all
their surroundings, including the paintings that
decorated the walls, evidences of
| MODEST YET ARTISTIC TASTE.
He had been in the parlors Of ring officials, ana
had expected to find costly gilt furniture, lifesized
pictures Of Tweed, Connolly, Hoffman, &C.; but
here II he may be permitted to "Jinkenize," there
was nothing to indicate that the owner had
higher position than young lawyer with
AN INCOME TEN THOUSAND PER YEAR.
While admiring the choice yet modest paintings
| and photographs that adorned the walls the dOmes-
tic returned and politely bowed the reporter into
THE LIBRARY OF JUDGE MCUNN,
| in the rear room Of the second floor. The Judge
was en- desnabtse, and after apoogizng for receiv-
ing the representative Of the HERALD under such
circumstances beckoned him to o seat The re-
porter frankly stated the object OF his VISIT and
suggested that If the Judge was too indisposed to
converse few minutes he would coll at more OPP
perfume time. The Judge replied that he would be
pleased to answer any questions, and the reporter
at once asked his opinion Of the course pursued BY
the Senate. He responded
''Mr. -, the entire proceedings were Of tho
most illegal kind So far as the Senate and AS
sembly are concerned am satisfied
THEY WANTED VICTIMS;
Judge "this is not the end Of It, intend to carry
1t to the Court OF last resort"
''And what Court s that, Judge9"
'The Court Of Appeals. There propose to take
my case. and ! will see whether the Judiciary
Of the State can rise above party and do exact
Justice"
sHave there been, in your opinion, any combina-
tons made to compass your remOvalf"
''I have in my own mind no doubt whatever bus
that there was q bargain struck between
GOVERNOR HOFFMAN AND THE REPUBLICANS
former
taching to the democratic party during the pass
fssI frev II Illegal amS yoa NAV state that say there Is
not judge In the State who cannot be removed on
the same grounds as ! have been, viz, in that
sent references and little fav0rs to my friends, as
every Judge must do. Sir this action OF the Senate is
ONE OF THE MOST TERRIBLE BLOWS
our system Of State government has received for
some time"
"H0w so, JudgeS'
state government above the judicial branch, there:
by taking away the independence of the latter and
rendering it's power utterly worthless." ..
"Judge"-the reporter hestated, lest ne migne
be trespassing too much upon the good nature OF
the tervewed-"what effect will this action have
upon
Mr.. McCunn, who spoke with diiiculty, and whe
ng Mss look eoaatii at his q quesoner @ and remarked
II do not comprehend the meaning Of your ques-
81 ask It for the reason that in political circles to.
day 1t is said that your removal was direct blow
at the power of Tammany Hall; or, In other words.
u
many Society," the blow was struck ut II through
your
'Tammany Hail. Sir, is rretrelvably gone. You
might as well attempt to galvanize into life
THE DEAD CARCASS OF BENEDICT ARNOLD
as to resusctate the power Of Tammany.
Yoa can oqtllye this a, blow Judge o ~ .,,,oa an.
continued --"They have removed me illegaly bus
have the consolation of knowing that they cannot
take from me my fortune, my surroundings point
ing to his superb law and literary library, In which
the interview took place., nor
THE LOVE OP MY sTEADFAsT FRIENDS,
who know Of my irreproachable record on the
bench. II were poor, weak man ! would sink
crar Snaeg ,s w show the Community ere long that
can rise above 1t that this is simply an ordeal
through which have had to pass that
WILL MAKE ME BRIGHTER AND BETTER"
Here the Judge, who was somewhat overcome by
the enort OF speaking, hesitated for moment, and
"And you, Mr.. Reporter, mark me-. will come
out OF this as the pebble quits the granddaughter
"NN 'n'iu THE f' FRICTION OF THE ANGRY WAVE.
The Senate adopted rules In the session 10 govern
them. Among them was the third rule, i which de-
testimony by the rules laid down In courts OF JUS
tice. To this rule they paid no regard; Had
suit but would not pay fifty cents to influence the
Court.
DELICATE QUESTION
to you, which you may or may not answer nave
heard m nted tnas tine o5
Your reference to money recalls those hints to my
mind. Are you at liberty to speak on this point ~
pended at Albany would have changed the action
Of the Senate Certainly one party, believed by me
to be In the secrets OF Senators informed me that
HE THOUGHT HE COULD MANAGE 1T FOR S5O,OO0'
did not reply to him and paid no attention TO MS
suggestion
SBut, Judge let me venture further on this very
delicate point OF money. Had you put up $50,000s
think you for moment that the reiormers s, Oh 'ao
Senate would have spurned the currency Y'-,.,- ~
The Judge smiled and responded, Certainly
not" 49,, a.,
ssCan yon not enlarge upon this point Judge ~
the reporter asked. eor ..o
sNo, sir; certainly not is enough for the
present. .,,,,.s v,.,.o