The New York herald., 1872-09-07
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IlUlH WILL PREVAIL I:
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sis Louis Noe Anything But .
Fraud! 20
HAT M. 3. Joy Morrih EX-hinisteF to
Turkey, Knows About Henry Stanley,
9E STORY OF NOE C0HTRADICTED.
"Out Of His Own Mouth He is
Condemned"
Stanley, the Hero, Traveller and
Explorer.
Where Are the Doubling
Thomases-P''
Stanley, the Hero, Traveller and
Explorer.
Where Are the Doubling
ThOmasesP's
sTANLEY's EXPLOITS I'M PERSIA.
Mr. Morris Has Implicit Faith in
the Livingstone Story.

ATLANTIC CITY, N. j., August 81, 1872.
Among the many prominent Philadelphians who
own summer cottages at this charming seaside
suburb Of the Quaker City is MI. E. Joy Norris ex-
United States Minister to the Sultan Of Turkey
After long period Of honorable service he now
Nves here In quiet retirement, failing health hav-
ing compelled him to remove from the active
sphere Of public life, with which he has been for
many years associated. AS his name has been
mixed up with the marvellous fabrication which
the long-haired Long Island philosopher and In
ventor, Louis Noe has given to the world, called
upon him this morning to ascertain what he knew
about the case, and was most cordially received.
M Morris is small in stature and slight in frame;
but the delicate face and the high, open brow give
evidence Of rare intellect and keen perception
Of human nature In all It's phases. His cottage
fronts on the sea; and when arrived found the
ex-Mnister reading copy Of the HERALD contain
ing the account Of the search expedition to sleepy
Hayvlle, and he was laughing heartily at the narra-
ttve. explained to him the purpose of nay visit,
and he readily consented to give all the norma-
1tOn he possessed relative to Mr. Stanley and his
Alse friend Noe Sitting on the veranda OF the
cottage, with the roar of the breakers ringing in
cur ears, tale was unfolded of travel and adven-
sure "hair-breadth escapes" moving accidents
Sy nood and leld' and desperate undertakings in
which the
HERO OF THE LIVINGSTONE EXPEDITION
was the leading, and indeed it may be said, the
only character Pictures OF Oriental life and roman
tic journeyings into unexplored countries made
the narrative seem almost like q fable, but Mr.
Morris certihes that every particular Of the story
which he tells Is true to the smallest detail
Before commencing Mr.. Morris expressed his
1egret and indignation at the occurrence OF the
circumstances which made my visit necessary
saying, my God, Sir, am shocked that any at.
fempt has been made
TO DIMINISH TIE LAURELs
Mr.. Stanley has SO Justly earned and exceedingly
regret that my name has in any way been connect
Cd with the story. It has been used without au-
shortly from me. for would be the last man to
attempt to cast any stigma upon the man l am
proud to call my friend, and whom I
would defend to the last, with all my influence and
power. There have been private dealings between
N. Stanley and myself, which concerned only our
selves, and do not see why outside parties have
9nterfered with the business Of two gentlemen for
the purpose OF hashing up sensation. Mr. Stanley
y not here to defend himself being absent receiv
ang the h0nors which he has SO justly earned; and
fhe attempts to injure him behind his back are to
say the least Oft, malicious and cowardly. Now,
sir, after this expression OF opinion am ready to
answer any questions.
REP0RTER-You have read the story OF Louis Noe,
knowledge Of circumstances will substantate him,
and, in beginning, would ask, when did you first
meet Mr.. Staneys
Mr.. MoRRIs-I first met Mr.. Stanley, or at least
Heard Of him. In October, 1866. was then at my
country residence In Bujukdere, on the Bosphorus,
and while there received intelligence from Con-
stantinople stating that three American travellers,
named
STANLEY, NOE AND COOK,
had been barbarously and cruelty treated and rob.
bed OF all their effects by band Of Turks In Asia
Minor In the advance OF the arrival Of the travel
oers at the Turkish capital Stanley sent account
Of the occurrence to the Leudnt Herald, o paper
publshed In English, in which the particulars Of
tne attack, the capture, the robbery and the out
RACES which succeeded were all fully narrated. I
9ogt no time In taking the necessary steps, when the
xdings reached me, for the protection and relief Of
my countrymen when they should arrive. l forgot
% state that In the meantime the Turks who
were
THE PERPETRATORS OF TIE OUTRAGE
Had been captured and conveyed, strongly guarded,
70 Broussa, small town near the Sea OF Marmora.
RRP0RrER-Did you see the Americans on their
arrfvalf
n. AoRRIs-I did: the American Consul General
and myself were both waiting to receive them
when they arrived, and Of course they Immediately
repaired TO the Embassy when they got into the
city.
RRP0RTER-what appearance did they present'
F Ar. M0RRIs-A most miserable appearance, sir.
II ever the condition OF men presented the traces
Ofcruel treatment theirs did. Mr.. Stanley's own
plight fully corroborated his story. He had
Seen stripped OF all his clothing, and
though he had been enabled to procure
S some outside covering by the generosity
Of Mr. L. E. Pelesa, agent OF the Ottoman Bank at
v Anund-Karahssar, he had neither shirt nor stock
1ngs on when he came to me, and he showed other
evidences Of great suffering. l relieved his more
y lDressing necessities and advanced him loan OF
noney to procure an outfit for himself and his COM
DanfOns. considered 1t to be my duty to do this
both a. American Minister and as an American who
Was bound BY the tie Of nationality to stand BY my
Acheck on my banker and he drew the money-fi60
h me nrst thing he did
the Ottoman Bank the amount advanced by him,
then he took his companions to clothing ba.
and both ne and they procured the clothing
,RrER-Wnat security had you for your loan ?
oRRIs-I had no security, nor did ask any.
X WAS ADVANCED WITHOUT CONDITION
ind. i see 1t has been stated by Noe that
l9unS ssa was given ID consequence S oi GIat Msw
York. This is false; no draft was given to me at
Snat time, nor was any promise OF repayment
66ered some time after NJ Stanley inconsid-
pyciy OIu give uTdit, looked upon tnlS
4srlt0gcther supernuous, and did not attach much
value TO the act, though II may have been well
Donnt. The draft proved vaueless but it is unnec-
DoGary 70 enter into details Of transaction which
bno been long satisfactorily settled between Mr..
Eeealey and myself and which does not, as said
before, concern any persons outside ourselves.
nay state, however, that the action Of Mr. Stanley
yas supernuous In another way, as Mr.. Cook, Stan.
Xey's fellow traveller, came to me after the money
Nd been sent and assumed all responsibility con-
4Was not recovered from the Turkish government
~ would personally indemnify me, giving me his
RsrosTEs-Had you in any Of those transactions