New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-12-18
THE DEBATE ON IRELAND.

THE DEBATE ON IRELAND.
FATHER BURKE;s REPLY TO MIR. FRoUDE5
CLOSING WoRDs-THE IRISH PEOPLE ABLE TO
GOVERN THEMSELVES.
The Very Rev. Thos. N. Burke, o. p, re-
piled to Mr. Froudes last lecture, last evening" at the
Brooklyn Academy Of Music, in the presence of very
large audience. synopsis OF the moro important
points IN his answer will be found below:
Ineed not tell you he said, that this world In when
wa live is o very beautiful world We have seen SO
many changes own day that we have learned 70
be astonshed Mt nothing. England mas tried issues
with my land for many long centnry for 100
years on the national question: and for 300 on the
religious question. England. on the religious question
Is fairly beaten and the national question: although
we have yet lumphed yet she has never been apo
to knock the nationality out Of Ireland lApplauseJ
What does she do my friendsi The days are past
when she could send her Cromwels and her Williams 10
Ireland to-day she has nothing better to fall back upon
than to send an Englshman TO America to abuse
IA Gapplause and hisses to try to that are
the most ungovernable and the most God-abandoned
race on the face OF the earth. Misses. 30 he comes
and he delivers his message.
When first no came he told tho people Of America that
he intended, as far he could to justify Englands
treatment OF Ireland This intention ascleary manifest
ed by simple fact that he went into tho whole history
OF the relations between England and Ireland with the
he was followed this great issue, he turns round ana
saws: "You are greatly mistaken; 1 don't want
verdict from tho American people 10 JUSTIFY
England; but there ia movement going on III
Ireland now called Home Rule agitation; came 10
America simply TO obtain the verdict OF an Anipunn
how govern themselves; that, whatever their virtue
talent they have not the talent nor the virtue OF sen
temperate enough civilized enough or sni1clenty to
Grant govern themselves; and VIII prove II rom
4I,atr hiatnr md A ask American
over 10 the Irish tho message NOW. boys, have sense
IGTsss iaughttrj You don't know what is for your
good You never did. The English people have twice
as much sense and always had they know how to gov
ern Won beautifully. Renewed laughter All you have
menu inf Tbcre n is He expects America Ike old
Norman to send over this advice 10 Ireland; iGreat
more cspa6e Of seifgoyerment and Of making thef
own laws and living under them quietly End pe9ceaby
The e lecturer then forcby Illustrated the different
elements required for sefgovernment among people
fidelity 10 principles thirdly affection for their own ia%s
and f0uthy capablity OF oeing formed py lhose WHY
ttrbte that belong to people and that entitle them
To the right of sefgoyernment. He quoted largely from
The Irish people ha We these characteristics have been
reviewing no said the lectures in which answered
Mr.. FToude ana although newspaper mas ehrgeu lio
With quoting Catholic authorities protest TO you, my
friends that say of truth that from the very rt
words Of these lectures down to the last every sSe
authority quoted by Protestant and an Enssh
sttution in which is embodied tho principle that me
wisdom Of the whole nation Is appealed 70 IN I've seec
ancient nations you will find nothing like this until you
come upon the ancient Celtic Constitution vi a
There my friends, you will Ind the very inouei an, nlu
TYNE of that glorious government which Washington,
Jefferson and the other heroes OF your heVOuIonay
War established for the happiness OF this lana CeIs
By The Celtic Constitution Of Ireland the land was
divided into five great portions ana eaen poItOh &
naTsht. Ulster Leinster and Meath perfectly in
dependent from each other with their own ma
these 1--WE great nations-or 1ye boods" they were
called-enjoyed State independence lSheers ,,,r ~,
And then al certain times they had the election . o
their President They came together and elected the
braves the best wsest the most prudent ana lne
Of ra As the universal King or ArdrieGh There was
no concentration; tho kings or the provinces VIZ
fecy free and Independent in their own states, 1Io
American Constitution is nothing nor less than
faiihtu copy of the old Irish laws under which oui
Well nv friends Mr. Froude. according to tho report
I'd 5Sft lsrRh ~ Ass9ela9n a1 az Sns
mn az 'totug' up numbers" There he was knd enough
TO make the tot" for me that never made Tor my
asserted lot upon my own authority, but expressly
sta,ed that heard say that there were pLopaOy
~ 600 OF human beings Of Irish descent and of Irsh
blood in America, making up the count oii'n' "a 'A'
I asserted that there perhaps 100000 OF our
neorIe who came to this land, and Mr. Froude " tots
The uD 60 a. and makes It amount to 100000 Now
thot did not enter into my head. But he was KIND
to loan me the Of his brains and OF his ng
scoTdne to him there were only 100000 altogether
ib drou OF irish blood in their veins Well. perhaps
oyeraho the mark little; but protest to you dld nc
dren OF Irish descent In America were nulnDcred' men
would be greatly surprised " see the millions 'nse 'ne'
Three or four millions out of the e25oOoo that were In
Ireland in Is40 went somewhere Probably 100000 OF
that 9OOOOO were swept away by the famine, ana the
pestilence that ensued from It, Where are the rest
Ence az Ireland has sent out 70 America us
hundreds OF thousands OF Iahmen Then lrishnen nave
families ike other people. lLaughter God bless them
they are good large families lReneWen langnterl
And there must be al least more thnn i2OVOo OF peo-
ME of irish descent In America and hold that l2OOU
Is not so far from 100000 as 100000 Is from izVJuOo
N made a mistake / oversnot the mark by 2OOOOoo
Mr. Fruude undershot It by s,oJoVO0' Laughter anu
applause a. go .o,0,-o, 60 tho massacre OF le,1. ir
which Mr FrOude stated there were 5000 Protesants
murdered is IL not strange thing, he asked tnat az
that very time Presbyterian minister went through
Ireland for the express purpose OF hndlnG out now many
people killed. aud he declares lhat mere Meac oy
i6 ut the very outset and he does not believe there
And vet ths man comes out to America and repeats
eain smpatlcally the old lie that has been exploded
years and ago, to make the lriSa peoPo Dee'o
fhat they cannot govern themselves. lHlssesJ'
What future is before Ireandf Oh, my renus, Hhat
can sayi Before me lies the past OF my native and
can weep her Before me rises Ireland 20
day can sympathze In her SORROWS. ana yet paneFo
/ see the dawn OF her hopes in the future.
IL becomes specifically TO speak OF Datue; am
man OF peace and not OF 1t only remains now 10
that next to the duty that owe to God ana 10 his
bov altar ia the duty that TO thee On, la;'t OF
Ireiandto pray for thee, TO sign IOi my cog gioin
and 20 be ready whenever the necessary CONDITIONS VIII
oonyDce me OF the fitness to take man part III INC
defense of that old land. tGreat oheeringI
OTHER LECTURES
The Rev. W. Fl. IL. Murray will deliver his
-. anaaoona tn-nioht. al the Tabernacle,