New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-03-06

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object $ Us '""' ~ 49, :, .,., ,..,,moDv no refer.
cnec 10 The testimony that would be called upon w
give here as a witness yourselfi a. ookeu ~ t'
festimony because my had been mentioned IN IT.
O. Had not your examination OF tho testimony so NO
thing to do with the crcumstance that you rtaniv
wanted 10 soc how many lies had been tOld hpo. ld
ard to contradict them; knew thefe were Ho0'
O. You spoke Of three witnesses whose testimony YOU
looked at Do understand you to say that that remark
applies TO each one of those witnessCsi NJ What re
EQ That you how many lies had pecn toa
about youl A. No. did not speak In reference 10 lS'
O. Why aid Won eonGne yourself then TO three witness
10 whom you say you do not mean 10 Apply ta'
remark A. My name had been mentioned py thoso W." o
ncsses; could not apply IL 10 Cen COcnraho, vI 10
made truthful statement as truthful as ne could ny
remark was general in regard TO looking a' 'ho 'cs'
@ ut you did not examine the testimony Of more than
three witnesses at mosti A. do not recoeCt; may
have looked over testimony others; If that point
| Is important. / can ascertain .,..o ,o,
have already specified as witnesses wno oct Has !,
you examined 40 not recoeci my o oman name s had
look at the testimony particularly where my hdino au
| O. That testimony, then, you did examined A. did
| q. And your examination, understood you to say,
had the fact that you yourself to be
O. Pardon me il / misunderstood YOU; but Just state
what was the way you did say ti A. wanted 10 see
the number OF missatemens that had been made, and
@ That was your only ObIecti A. That was my only
q Was there this further object that you desired
10 ascertain what ilOse WllI's.cs tSlliou
the history of these transactions generality A. no. sH'
| my object was as stated.
O. First understood you to say that you and Mr. Leet
were here, and then you corrected II ~ saying Mr. Leet
or Mr.. Stocking. A. No, Sir said Mr.; stocking.
SAID Mr. Lect by mistake, and atterward corrected
O. think II Won had waited nntl was through you
would have That have no issue with you on hat
point said yen r spoke OF pehnY mere % e he n
meaning t6e testimony taken in New-York; now did y6u
pardon 0T saying So from the mouth OF witness OF
ony han 80 much of it as touched yourscfi A. That
all that was speaking OF in regard TO me Hlssiae
ineuis that had been made in reference To the cICuh
| stances that bad knowledge Of.
O. You VIII observe a good deal Of difference between
tho word lying and "mlsstatcments" Amsstateme4t
ia what any say his own defense II ne teci5
made OF which hc has knowledge A. There is shade
of difference in the words: IN many cases. prefer the
O. YcI have perfect right Sir, to use any LANGUAGE
that may he permitted as not reg1rded as EeaP'2Iing
sneak ~ the language used i y3H eLcr maxi any ti.
change portion OF his testimony A. Que; did not I'M
ducc him 10; communicated the circumstance TO hun,
eremsIancc could correct himself and that was
Hiyer; did not think he had any object IN making tie
missatncnt at all, and that rejecting upon 1t ho could
9, Did you communicate with him in conversation or
9. Have You copy Of the letter. a. have not o,
| dosircdI a. lie did not correct mis- testimony.
q You aware that the Committee remained in SEES
|
| gave his testimony. are you noti A. Yes, Sir.
O. Did you write to him at once about III A. At once;
that II wac OF his memory, and he would be
glad to correct IL when the circumstances were re-
@ But upon recalling them, he did not agree with you'
A. 40 II form OF expression In regard 10 90
Going to male indsSy5 store ny headquarters or place
Of business bur never had any business to transact;
thanked him for his invitation, inviting me to his office
III the same street, Johnst ana salo AIN going down
| 10 Lindsay store"
YOU do understand you TO say that you never had any
ncction with TIE Generai Order business in New York or
that you never had down To ceEtaip perIodf A. That
| / never had down 20 u certain period
q what was tie period A Probably lately; proba-
by within The past year, ..osor. ,.oa., u,,,n
year from now; probaby not that f,r back; do not
know that ever had before the assembling OF this Com
O. Yon think It was not before the assembling OF the
before he Patterson Committee that Gen. Grant had
sGg m TeGafh h for van the aSer b%si
ness-ponts that have referred to IN this testimony;
used the term General order" instead OF labor
vcrsatin with Gen Grant in regard 70 ioets connection
with the General order business after the meeting
of this CommHteei ;. do not re,ollect speaking 10
@ Was it in reference 70 The testimony taken by the
Committed A. presume 1t was called forth by the
Q. Was the fact that Collector Murphy had placed in
Loot Stockings control the whole Of the General Order
business oil the North River well kUosn al the time IL
Waahngtonl \. II was commonly known.
q In yoit circlei 4. Probably not at the time,
q. 10 speaking of the conversation had by A. T
| Stewart
business you stated believe that what stewart com
planned OF the rather than Leet and Stock
/ inei 4. That * my recollection.
O. Did you not also ray that stewart did complain that
tho prices were too highs \. He complained OF the
| charges
Q Was not tina, a complaint levelod against the mode
Of administering the fystem by Leet IL Stocking a.
do not know supposed their bills revised by the
| Collector; that might have involved charge against
| the persons having that business.
| e. Do yon not say that there was complaint
against Lec stocking for charging prices that were
too high A. supposed that the prices had been regu
lated by the Chamber OF Commerce or the Collector
O. That the prices being too high were part OF the
system; Leet aud Stocking at liberty to reduce the
prices il they saw it, they mott A Ipresume they
| were; do not dispute that point 10 may have been
| charge stated against the proprietor
O. ask YOU All intelligent man. does IL not follow
| where "A merchant complains not only Of the system
OF the GcneraOTdeT business but complains also OF the
prices charged by those who carry it being too
high he complains not only Of the system but OF the
| men who manage ~ a. That may may not be; IL
| may be the iahlt ~ the system.
HB. STEWARDS COMPLAINTS.
@ DO yon undertake TO say that you reoOlect all
the grounds Mr.. stowarts complaints made TO Gen.
Grant against the GeneraOrder system "A. These
| the main grounds-all that Tococct.
O. 10 not IecODect what Grant said in reply
| A. No Sir.
@ You do not recolect ANYTHING that Gen. Grant said
Oh the subject, A. 40 not think heard his reply
could have recOeotod something about if had heard
| IT,
@ rccoIlect all Mr.. Stewart sad, but not what
Gen. Grant said A. said recoected all Mr. Stewart
said TO in his conversation az the same time at the
same hour l may have overheard part OF the Pres
aud listening 10 the conversation though II was III the
same room
| passed between Mr.. Stewart and Gen Grant A.
Nothing az all.
and Mr.. stewart A. Al the same time, though pre-
that about what he said to the President,
much fully to the President probably than to me-
| q. understand you have stated all the complaints
made 10 you by MI STEWART A. Yes, Sir; all that