The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-03-10
DOCTRINAL DISCUSSIONS In ROME.


Roman Catholic Priests in the Via del
Barbisri-Father Gavazzps Part
in the Discussion.
ROME, Feb. 10, 1872.
There is no greater sign OF the times just now
than the permission In Rome OF public discussions
upon questions 80 vital to the claims Of the Roman
Ponts as that Of the residence OF st. Peter in the
capital OF the Roman empire. Under the dominion
OF the POpes to have cast the slightest doubt upon
the main fact OF ecclesiastical tradition would have
been equivalent to q liie's lodging within the
prisons OF the lnqustlon; but since the goth OF Sep
tember freedom OF conscience has been the order Of
the day AMI the priests Of Rome, invaded In their
principal dogmas by the audacious nroads of evan.
gelical preachers have been obliged in sefdefence
to descend into the arena OF open debate. When
che great Ecumencal Council OF 1870 was held it
was ut first supposed that all classes OF
C0ndding Christians would have an Opp0r-
tunity OF expressing their opinions FOR
the general welfare OF the Church in that
venerable assembly through their delegates. The
result showed the fallacy OF such expectations, and
the PRONUNCIATION or the Papal infalllDiity dogma
closed the door on oil possibility OF an amicable
understanding for the future between the contend
ing categories OF religionaries. For upwards OF q
noctr,nas n avo hson frao,v nraochad q, pome ana
~. v'Sn ous paoavu aus ~ onv aIu
the Evansencai headquarters nave Deen uXe0 III
the Via del Barbier.
About q week ago o lecture was given there by an
evangelical minister, Signor Sciarel upon the
posed journey OF ST. Peter to Rome. Free discus.
sion was invited, and no fewer than seven priests
followed by about thirty laymen, handed In a
declaration TO the effect that they were ready to
discuss the subject openly, but inviting the rev.
ercmu gett.,eah 10 aeane cleaLy Tue heaus o. tne
the earIiest dax noss,be for ta Ttscnss,on Tha
at a. u~y AZ Sno s
Gay Inc were agreed upon
De1Ween Signor francesGo sciareii ana Mr. henry
11o,Ia 81, n~, ono rc co. ~ ~
0'rn" o." - s.o.'A-o 0.soo,' w '"o v'"o.
The nueson If bs OF e. nave soy 70
ArT aNot more ,Sres nersons ~, sisr .d. shall
Arr Of four uresdspts two from each
ART: 4-The discussion shall Commence after the exposi
tion OF the subject by ssnor sciareii
Sqaay anu IN proportion 70 'ne sze OF the oud
tRT Srac,les All .l be afforded to
Prince Don Mario Cnigi, Prince OF Campagnao,
anu Signor ulanDac'i t ue Dominlcs iost! were
Gnosen Us fres1ents Ior Cie Catnoiic Sue anu MI.
figos. anu VI; rmi,pps ior me eVange,icai anu te
gay nxeu was YESTERDAY Tue 9tn fe1ruary. AS ale
anv 0sv os aa an s,ae cand oni
einy, Only NOUS llv pers1ns eacn s.ue cOuu vau
naps hona reG. sor the othollcs y,,nw Tne
ueson Ga n wSstncr Sr Peaer ever i" Rome
u ar,naS or"ur var 400 IN NC cn,,Inns ~ ~
nonHS ond TIARA - now ~ ha hai m rha n1a "
al mnrsrv IN Via daiie Stmata histor,
W. warr hv IL E,swS.r enf,tsn The Hisso,caI T
nnssib,ty or t6e JouTnsv Of S. Peter 10 Roma
nemonsfrated ana tna True Tradition SuhslitmtaS
Tor the False"
of the i,berIne Academy was riiied vim q most re-
spectapie audience. great proporron on the evan
TeI'coi sida nanr LADIES' Of rna nnnar ola sses who
anneared TO take Interest IN inc discns
sion. The shorthand writer's OF rhe Ecumenical
"sa ~ m ra o 1T1 e or
Gals. Every seat was occupied, and a great numoer
OF priests were stationed near inc doors and rom
anus.
At precisely seven O'Clock one Of the Presidents
SasaI ~ sianas rue ess ps1
Poseu " olsuot loht-vlA., " pIove tnat ot
resra,n iro ali s,"0s -, ansrnyaI or sannrovaI
and allow the discnsson Ia proceed in neaca and
auetness ' fN~~N "AN
FaIher ;avazz, one of the d,spuants NJ the EVAN.
pecal pariy then proposed that All present should
ioin I'm the Loru PRAYER grestIon Which raner
s ~ n ann ane
the dilemma by deciding that a few minutes shOuld
be allowed Tor those wbo wished to oner up
PRAYER In private
At length the reverend Slgnor Sciarelli addressed
the meeting, stating briefly The theory sustained by
an the wear AZ of the Christian era the second wear
OF the Emperor Caudius that he held the position
OF POnt during twenty. five years. and that ne died
in &C. IN The reign OF Nero. The reverend gentle
man conued TINS theory bv several facts related in
VINO in all his letters rom Rome, never alludes 10
Peter and, moreover In his eplstie to Timothy ex-
pressiy complains that all nave forsaken MIN ex-
cepting Luxe and this at the very time that Roman
theologians assert that Peter ana Paul were com.
panions In prison ana In martyrdOm.
Next came the prle,t Fabianl who commanded
by saving that his adversary mad deyated from tne
original chests and had done nothing hut repeat the
old ar yuments Which had been So often refu cd
lie resumed the discourse of Sciareiii under five
heads
m, ..,. 80 .s..., ..s - ,,..,
man, i ne nnaed q. vs st q, ~ VIZ az ,n mo-
to be proved at would be sulcient for u.s. gentlemen 10
prove that St. Peter peen In Rome for sin.e day and
we shall then have conquered"
The presence OF Peter in Rome being nowhere spoken
OF IN ~ the DID b,oie sn :. ,o.,., ,,., .. s.,
Ss re.ei nav IN, ing 70 Preacn 70 tne Jews
Rome Ae'A' " 'A~ """' ''''A ""' ''""' D~oy'on VI
Absence of any testimony Of the earliest fathers of the
Churcn
To these statements Fab;ani replica somewhat
vaguely that what was not mentioned in the Sacred
Scr,DtlIres might ne suppied from Otner sonrces.
that on the other hand the TACT of st. Peter having
been in Rome was in those early times doubled or