The New York herald., 1872-09-18
afternoon Dr. Fcheverria expressed his confirmed
belief that Seymour died from being beaten on the

afternoon Dr. Fcheverria expressed his confirmed
belief that Seymour died from being pea'en on '"'
KICKED IN THE STOMACH
and Sides The official post-mortem report WI os
prepared to-day for the inquest, anu III IL Di De"
agrees with Dr. Echeverria.
THE PRINCIPAL WITNESS TODAY
The PRINCIPAL witness to be examined to-day IS
man named Samuel Gordon, OF Jersey City, who has
been up to a few days past an inmate OF the New
York Lunatic Asylum on Wards isamu , ~ 10
said he has been in former years very successful
business man across the river, where he has been
enEaged in trade for upwards OF twenty-five years.
Some few years ago he betrayed
SYMPTOMS OF ALTERATION OF INTELLECT
and was removed to the Wards Island Hospital,
from which he was discharged after short soiourn
with certificate of sanity. Four months ago he
was again attacked and remained patient In the
asylum up to ten days ago when 1t is said, MS IN
tellect was perfectly restored. on Saturday last
Doctor Echeverria signed his certificate OF sanity
and discharge, but 1t was only yesterday morning
RELEASED FROM THE HOSPITAL.
Not released exactly, but allowed to- come down 10
Ornell case, which was to be made yesterday.
Late IN the afternoon yesterday Mr.. C9rden was
necessitated his removal either to his own house
in Jersey City or to some hospital. 1t was decided
by the Wards Island authorities, in whose custody,
as will be seen by the following conversation be-
tween HERALD reporter and Mr.. Corden, the
latter st!ll is notwithstanding that his certificate
OF sanity has been signed by one OF
THE ATTENDING PHYSICIANS
OF the lunatic asylum At first 1t was thought that
he was not seriously attacked; Dut subsequent
symptoms necessltated an operation, and he was
removed to bed in the surgical ward
A HERALD reporter hearing that he was at the
hospital, and that in all probability his physical
condition would not permit his giving testimony at
the inquest, called there at late hour last night,
and obtained, through the courtesy OF Warden
Brown and Ambulance Surgeon Bruce, some infor-
nation which will, doubtless, prove at the present
time OF
VERY GREAT INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC.
Mr.. Conred was lying In bed in the Surgical
ward, evidently suffering great physical agony,
replied to all the questions asked him as lntelgenty
as any man in the communty and evidently with
deep impression In his mind that he had recovered
from terrible visitation as well as the fact that he
had escaped from something
WORSE THAN pENITENTIARy.
Indeed, the conversation occurred in the presence
of an orderly In the hospital, who had once
been keeper in the Wards Island Lunatic Asy.
lum; the old deprecatory tone came back and
occasionally the narrative was interrupted by an
indirect appeal to the orderly a, himself: Inns M
The important witness Is highly intelligent.
looking man, apparently al out forty-ive years OF
age age and, 4 he is put upon n the stand, will no
least. Tn, following is abstract of the conver-
sation which took place between the reporter and
him.
TERRIBLE TALE OF BRUTALITY.
''Mr. Conred understand that you are to be a
witness at this investigation OF these alleged Wards
what you have got to say"
81 am not in fit stale to give evidence to-mor-
row. sir, and do not know why should be called
on to testify at al''
why not ? DO you mean to say that You know
nothing OF ths circumstances attendln g the death
OF this man Orne, on whose inquest you are asked
to testify"
"a know that when these outrages occurred was
a ravng lunatic, and can't see why l should be
examined on cath at the inquest"
'Dont you remember anything about attacks
made on this dead man Ornell by any of the
"Yes, l do; but how, II ! was lunatlc at that
time as myself believe was to certain extent
at least, can !, now sane man (energeticaIy) tes
tify on witness stand in case like this to what
occurred at that time"
"Do you mind telling me what You remember p,
'Not at all; remember it all. But how can
swear to 1t now ~
"Were you eyer beaten by Farrell yourselfa"
asylum raving lunatic. 1 had an idea that was
lighting hundreds Of men to effect some object ana
gssseEyf s?nSn2ays y.Es ssSs $sS into nan
ber distinctly that was demOnstrative myself, in
consequence OF this Naturalization Of mine. Tom
Farrell was at that time keeper in hall II, and he
beat Inc in terrific way with the strap Of
SARATOGA TRUNK
some months after was admitted to the Asylum;
1t Was on one occasion i remember when l was
particularly demonstratve and man named
Graft, another inmate OF the Asylum. and l
Farrell before, but ON that occasion almost my
whole body was black and blue; there were
COMMISSIONS ALL OVER MY BODY,
and my eXtremities were almost parayzed by the
beating % which had Iesa as then
orderly was keeper at the time and he can tell
you OF the condition was in at the time was re-
moved. or course. you understand that / was o
lunatc at the time and perfectly crazy toO.n
Ibid you ever see ornell beaten by this man
"Yes, sir, did"
'Would you tell me under what circumstances ?,
~ 81 saw him beaten very frequently by Farrell in
"Did you see him beaten Immediately before his
sAbout two weeks before his death; do not say.
and do not believe, that the heating which he
received caused his DEATH would not think so,
jndging from what saw, but he was beaten very
''what was he beaten for p,
"He was Q demonstratlve lunatic, too, and was
the last time saw Farrell beat him he kicked him
severely in the side he was laid up in bed for some
'Then, you think that Farrell used to treat the
patients nhumanlyf"
We'll Ton wasa very brutal man; they were
'Who suggested to you the idea of giving testi.
mony in this case ~
arriving from the city and said to me, 81 wrote out
your discharge yesterday, but want you to be a
witness If you want to go to New York you can go,
you WILL GO TO PRISON
until the inquest comes OF; You can stay here un-
he .n ca sU whGn w BE-
New York, and was accordingly brought down as as
& al, f2 e As ss nauss ssf:
any how do not see how they can examine me,
lOr Wnen tnesc tIlngS occurred
WAS INSANE MYSELF.
remember yiyidly however, Farrell's treatment
OF myself in hall n.
Mr.. Gordon was visited during last night by some
OF the Keepers OF the asylum, with whom the
HERALD reporter conversed. They apparently
would wish the public to be under the impression
that this investigation has been started by Dr.
Echeverria, and that in some cases hard, II not
brutal treatment is necessary with some OF the
patients. Meantime the investigation is looked
iorw ard to with the greatest interest.
DEADLOCK IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUB.
Lie WORKS.
property owner, residing In West Eleventh