The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-16
TIE TREATY KILOGRAMS.

me Ineefug ADJOURNED Snortly AFTER halfpast
four O'Clock.
TIE TREATY TELEGRAMS.
In order that due appreciation may be formed
Of the motives which superinduced the action of
the Chamber Of Commerce yesterday, in their en-
dorsement OF American disgrace ana applause of
the tinker diplomatist at Washington, we republish
to-day the cablc dispatches between the two gov
ernmcnts, which appeared exclusively In yester-
days HERALD
GENERAL soHENCK TO MIR. FISH.
LONDON, April /, 1872
Have you any objections to the British govern
ment fling counter case without prejudice to
their position in regard to consequential damagesY
SCHENCK.
Received at 9:40 A. NJ
MR.. FISH TO GENERAL scHENoK.
WASHINGTON April q 1872
We understand the British government is bound
to file counter case, and that their doing will
feet any position Of this government The rights OF
both parties Will be the same after filing as before.
FISH, Secretary
GENERAL sCHENCK TO Mr.. FISH.
LEGATION OF THE UNITED STATES
LONDON, April %, 1872.
the government here will Y take such
course as viii put an end to the arbitration at
geneva ana to the treaty. VIII not now attempt
development and the events of the last few
days you will have gathered from Geographic COM
municatons and from the reports Of proceedings in
Parliament, and articles from the London journals,
which continue to send you. If there Is to be
%seS We pnd hsnea Of 80 all from
for the two countries and for the
world, the obstinate refusal OF the British govern
ment and people to go on with solemn and high
engagement that, without any sacrifice Of their
dignity and interests, might have been conducted
to conclusion which would have blotted away all
serious causes OF disagreement between them and
us, viii be not little owing to the course of some
| mr. a.t rhA n,1tn hnrA 1Nnnxa
wonderfully increased OF late, and Great Britain
encouraged In her position by the tone of some
| of the American journals, by inconsderate de-
clarations OF some public men an& by much
| writing, teegraphing and conversation not Wise
eSs @ a a at mas
common conviction here that tile best and most in
nuential men OF the United States desire to have
our government recede from its position. await
still yonr communication In reply to Lord Gran
yilles note Of the 18th ult hope also with that,
sooner by telegraph to receive Instructions from
You which may direct and help me In any contin-
gency likely to occur. shall doubtless have much
TO report ard bring to your consideration now very
soon. In the meantime viii not fail to keep my
mind anxousy directed to any and every expedt
ent by which the treaty may possibly be preserved,
Its provision IL certainly not greater than the need
OF this nation, which does not seem to me to fully
weigh and appreciate the unhappy consequences to
have the honor to be, very respectfully, your
obedient servant ROBERT c. SCHENCK.
Mr.. FISH TO GENERAL scHENcK.
WASHINGTON, April q, 1872
You are aware that neither in the case presented
in behalf OF this government at Geneva, nor the in
structons TO you have the United States asked for
pecuniary damages on account Of that part OF the
Alabama claims called the indirect losses which the
nce OF the tribunal We think it essential, how
ever, that the question be decided whether
o. asans the can In the tat ss as
neutral by Great Britain when the latter is
q belligerent; for II Great Britain is to be at
direct losses or injuries against this country then
our claims must be maintained and we must
press for compensation. conversation with Sir
Edward Thornton induces the belief that the
British government may make proposal to you
Cages s and Stimulates that in the future should
Great Britain be bcgerent and this country
neutral, and should there be any failure on
the part Of the United States to observe
their neutral obligations, Great Britain win
make or advance no complaints claims against
the United states by reason or on account OF any
indirect, remote or consequential results OF such
failures and THAI in consideration OF such stipua-
iion the United states shall not press for pecunl,
on account OF the claims respecting which Great
Britain has expressed the opinion that they are not
included in the submission-namcly, the transfer
Of the American shipping, increased insurance and
the prolongation Of the should proposal to
this effect be made by the British government the
that there Il NO withdrawal OF any part Of the
American case, but On agreement not to demand
damages account OF the claims referred to, leav
ing the tribunal to make such expression OF opinion
as II may think proper on that subject It Is pre-;
saw w. - FISH, Secretary.
ogSEpa,. scnEscE 10 Mr. flsn.
LONDON, April 30, 1871.
Your lsl received last night has been hy scme
accident wet and blurred, but hope 10 make II all
out to-day. Meanwhile your telegram, which came
Sunday night, was the occasion OF n strictly conf
dental interview With Granville yesterday. lie
objected 10 this government making first move
ment, but that point IL now conceded. They object
to having arbitrators express opinion on Indirect
claims when the two governments agree that they
are not to be the subject OF an award. After
consideration by Cabinet, the following paper was
given me last night conndentially as the
draft of possible communication TO be
to assent 70 It, and will previously put Her Malestys
government In possession Of the terms OF the as.
sent Her Majesty government adhere to their view
to consider to decide upon the claims for indirect
lo9ses-viz, the transfer OF the American shipping,
the increased premiums Of insurance and the pro-
longatlon OF the war-and that consequently the
government OF the United States ought not to press
for consideration OF such claims. They are, how
ever ready TO state that In the event OF the govern
m men. Of the United states agreeing that the
any award that they may make to
the aforementioned claims, Her MaJestys
government will, their part, agree that the view
which they have heretofore presented and the In
admlsslbity OF such claims shall still continue to
be their principle OF action and conduct In all like
cases and In similar circumstances, and that they
that Great Britain should at any ny time hereafter
De belilgcrent while the United states Ia q neu-
ral Claims of that nature in similar cases and SINH
lar circumstances will never be advanced against
n ~. uh,ted states. such an assurance for the
iuture being recprocally gwen by both parties an
arrangement such as Is here sketched out might be
carried INTO effect by an exchange OF notes which
snn ue communicated TO and recorded by the arbi-
| ! snOuld INFORM you that have insisted on thia
LANGUAGE. the United States agreeing to refrain