The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1872-11-09

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estei, as the committee in furnishing information
all OF which, Of course, should be tabulatei. l am
satisfied that il the work is begun to get laborers.
that other plautItions will be started after the supply
Of the ones now in operation.
Mr.. Rhodes-The labors Of the Executive Com
mittee will be very ardaous and varied. and they
Will need every assistance from members. The
COMMITTEE must not conHne its Alteration alone to
enquiries respecting laboFeFs needed. and whence
10 be obtained. but ought TO make special enquiry
OF the Government 10 know what amount of lands
are available TO induce the settlement Of immi7
grants
Mr.. Hall-This is an important suLject-men-
toned by Mr.. Rhodes. In the United States we
know what Inducements are held out to immigrants
by the offer OF lands. 1t is important TO Sud out If
there is any such inducement in this country TO be
offered 10 the immigrants
Mr.. CarteT-I desire to refer TO remarks Of Mr..
Green. and say with him that business men want
some tangible operation for the employment OF
money. The whole subject is a little cloudy as
yet We want to know where 70 20 10, and what
We are going for. and we wish TO know what pro-
lection we may expect from the Government Ii
Is possible that individual Ministers may be friendly
to a view or IA plan but will the Government as a
whole endorse it in its action. is another matter.
Ii is well to ascertain all about lands, and what are
available for purposes of settlement.
Mr.. Green-Does any gentlemen here suppose
that if we offered any lands for settlement that by
this means we might induce immigration. Our
conditions are entirely different from those Of any
portion Of the United States, ana nothing Of the
kind has ever been done in a tropical country.
Mr.. judd want to consider what a man can do
on fifty acres. This Society will do great good in
encouraging small farmers. a planter will not
come from the United States to this country to raise
hbrOus products for expectation. The New Yea
land Government had done u great deal To foster
the production OF fax.
Mr.. Montgomery wish to say n word in reply
to Mr.. Judd's opinion about the establishment of
small farms. There is a great deal OF uphill work.
and so many difficulties as to render small farming
a bad speculation. He had tried tobacco and
other cultures withoutsuccess. Farming as carried
on in Europe and America was out of the question
here. The experiments on ramle and other hbrous
plants did not promise any large success in this
country. All attempts at small farming had proven
u delusion and a snare.
Mr.. Bishop-I agree with the views of Judge
Montgomery The conditions of this country were
not the same as were found in England and in the
United States. We must cultivate entirely for IA
foreign market to pay for our importations. We
import all our building material, and all our cloth
ing and drinks. We cannot go back to the times
of Kamehameha /. and live on poi and wear a malO.
We cannot export taro and beans and il is idle to
parcel ont small lands to be settled as small indie
pendent farms, but as adjunets to large planting
operations.
DR.. Smith, consider that it is out Of the ques-
ton to discuss the offer of lands as an inducement
emigration. Land is of course the main induce
ment to a free immigration, and we have little of
such an inducement to offer. We have not the ter
ritory to carry out "A policy of immigration like
New South Wales. Her Parliament legislated in
1860 upon the measure. and appropriated e2l9-
600. What was called the Wakefield system of inn
migration was organized. Lands were classified,
and so arranged that there was a reservation for q
class of settlers with some means. In nine years
about 10000 people were brought into the country,
at "a cost of about SO per head and there was an
annual expenditure of about e55, 900. In that
country they had of course the public lands as q
fund to work upon, which we have not. Not only
were these immigrants aided in reaching the coun-
try, but they were assisted with many facilities in
the establishment of a home, and with subsistence
for a time. This Society must concentrate its at
tention upon some especial point, and consider
whether it must direct its attention exclusively to
supply of labor, or include the question of pOpu-
lation. Our Grst efforts should be unquestionably
TO supply labor, and afterwards prepare the way to
take up the question OF population. Wemust look
to tropical countries for our supply, and we must
not stop to consider whether they are heather or
not, those who are ready to meet our need for labor.
We must be prepared to offer them ONE material
inducements, some certain compensation because
it is not likely that Chinese, Hindus or Malays will
be willing to come here to settle on patches.
Mr.. Harris-I want to make this suggestion, that
1 do not appreciate any difference between labor and
population. When L engage five immigrants to hoe
sugar, 1 have contributed so many to the census of
the country; labor is the true basis of population. On
the subject of land, l think L am enabled to say that
the government has very little land to dispose Of
none of Importance. In the United States what q vast
territory is presented and with such varied adyan-
tages for settlement. See what productiveness of
bread stu6s; l have seen the Indian corn used as
fuel for locomotives. / agree with q remark of Mr..
Bishop's-that in the effort to supply our planta-
tons We will prepare the way and open other planta-
tons and to promote many new industries. We have
spent much time and money, and some of US are now
growing old in the effort to make sugar q success in
this country. What wonder then that we are a little
sensitive on the subject. We have learned to grow
sugar and to do it well, and although the suggestion
of giving attention to fbrous plants is valuable, /
yet it is not worth while to turn public attention
away from what now constitutes our main product to
experiments which may and will have the same
mistakes and require the same experience which we
have now acquired at such an outlay of labor, time and
money. 1t has been quite the fashion to talk about
selling Government lands in small farms. Such talk
is persevered in, for I do not know what good end. l
have been acquainted with Government lands for
these last twenty years, and though | DO not say
that there are none left, yet [ do say that they are
very inconsiderable, and more especially those fit for
the purpose named. Nor do l know of any instances
in which there has been a refusal to sell any such
land to those wishing to settle on it. There may
have been such instances, but / do not remember
them. I was interested much some days since, at a
remark the Chief Justice addressed to a gentleman :
was talking in the way | have spoken of. He :
(the Chief Justice) asked his friend where he would
begin his experiments. "Look from the foot of {
Lahaina mountain to Makee's; you will not pass q {
stream where you can water q horse" | do not say
everywhere it is the same. but what would
small unaided farms do at raising anything which {
may be sold abroad, in such a districtY Let us not i
divert our minds with fallacious reasoning, in talk [
ing on facts inconsiderable in themselves as Though I
were weighty. Let us foster what we have, 9
expand the industries already established, and :
avoid such experiments. =
Mr.. Judd-ThOse who are interested in ugar plan :
tations should not say that other products would in
with sugar. l am not aware Of any pressing :
need of labor on the plantaiions; and if there is, L .
think they can obtain what they need in the country. /
[ should like to see an increase of population not {
confined to the plantations; some with larger brain, 9
who will produce fbrous plants and other products /
on independent farms. {
Mr.. Rhodes-In speaking of government lands, I I
not mean 10 call your attention to such lands
alone. There are large tracts to be disposed of in the
hands of private individuals. One gentleman has
to me that he would lease to satisfactory set
tiers, 5000 acres for five years for nothing. There c
are several plantations willing to grant land to be
worked on shares. In respect to getting labor through G
Mr.. Along L am informed by him, that he would be s
able to bring here a few passengers, but not laborers. 8
We might settle population the same as the West
indies. because the volcanic character and ph ysical :