The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-18

nor In England; have been engaged In an emigra-
ated with me; told Thomas Scott nothing more
than that was large stakeholder In the line did
not seek an introduction to Mr.. Gonld he sought it
nom me; he sent me pass over the road by Mr..
Beiden; Beden said that Gould would like to see
me in reference to Erie matters In the early part OF
was introduced by some one responsible; Mr..
Greeley did not suggest that Mr. Scott should intro
duce Gould; Mr.. Greeley did not want to mix him
be responsible for Mr. Gould, and introduced him
TO me the next day; before Mr.. Gould saw me he
cept OF the pass he called on me on the second OF
March; he wrote to me on that day asking an inter-
view; think l sent verbal message; that is
written after the interview; at the first Interview
Gould's card was sent to my room, and he came up
soMca enstea over
said was his introduction; told him l thought
there was little occasion to have any conversation
heard from him Could that the road was hope
lesSly lost, and that there would be dividend for
twenty years; Could said that II was not SO bad,
said that Scott had told him that was an old friend
Of his, and that he Scott) had great influence with
for his having misled Scott; we then parted, and
said 'Whatever has been said between us will not
prejudice matters as between two gentemen;' on
Monday following l found letter ana o card
from Mr.. Gould: previous to that time
had no communication with MI. Scott; !
for an interview which took place that attention
it was reorganization OF the AFFAIRS Of the line
he was anxious that should aid him with the new
boardi told him that had 5000 shares, and that
could influence the votes to the extent Of several
millions; he saw the shares In my room told him
with his $50, 600 900 could control the maJOrity In
New York could have controlled over ten millions
there was combination being formed; Sellgman
agreed to 60 with Horace Clark and Lewis Roberts,
who agreed to go with me; they did not tell me
how much they held; my sister held some shares,
and at one time $4,000; she Is the Baroness Thur
was her agent; expected to get control OF them
heard In December that she held her stock as
usual; don't know that my brother-in-law held q
single share Gould wished he'd me not to see Scott In
said about Scott; had partly resolved not to re-
ceive Mr.. Scott; Mr.. Gould came one day to me
have no other letters from Mr.. Gould than those
In my afildavit; my second interview with Gould
was on Tuesday.
O. Wen, what occurredP A. Gould said to me to
and see Mr. Greeley; Mr.. Greeley said he he did not
wish to be mixed up in the matter.
Eo to Mr. @ make maas
SitlOns to me-
Q. When did yon see Mr.. Could nexts A. On the
next day at the same hotel Mr.. Sears was present;
have given the substance In my af1ldavits.
@. Never mind your af1ldavits. A. The CONVERSE
ton was about the management OF the Erie road {;
The third interview was at the Metropolitan Hotel;
Mr.. Gould told me about the great rise in stocks;
told him he must not test my credulity and pocket
at the same time; he wished me to carry stocks
he said he would
CARRY TWO MILLIONS OF STOCK
for me; had been warned to look out for him.
A. asked him to put in writing anything he would
do; Iasked him to put in puts and calls" what he
to o Mr. nede 1 NV wrote 4 out and GS
would deliver me at any time within six months
$4,000 shares Of ERIC stock:
Q. Was 1t stamped ? A. No, cir; 1t was written
on plain note paper; Mr.. Sears came In directly
afterwards; he saw the 'puts' and "cails."
Q; Anything else ocours A. Gould told me OF tho
spoke OF certain inside conspiracies, OF
WHEELS WITHIN wHEELs;
we talked the matter over at length; no one was
present at the fifth interview; Mr.. Gould came to
me and handed me parcel containing shares and
letter. the shares are specified in my AFFIDAVIT;
told him would like to pay for them; he said that
could not be, as he could not sell them with
ont the consent OF Others. He added that the
short time; laughed and said would be glad to
get half million for them; he said he would give
me other stocks and shares If wished he wrote
familiar with them he said he would bring me other
stocks and shares and added the figures up, leav-
ing balance of about 100000 due me. which he
said he would bring me In currency; In the after
noon he brought me various shares ana stocks and
$4,000 in currency; he said this would make the
matter straight and took away the puts and calls
then said would cooperate with him.
Q. Did you tell him what you could aud would do
A. told him could
CARRY THE ELECTION.
@. How much was necessary A. Forty millions
of stock had formed combination with wealthy
Q. Mention the wealthy men A. Horace Clark.
Mr.. Porter objected to the linz OF evidence as i'm
material. Upon Gordon's representation that he
was the Earl OF Abcrdeen tlat nc owned $780, 900 900
of the capital stock Of the Erie Halfway Mr.. Gould
says he entered into negotiations with him.
Another cOunsel-UpOn representation further
HELD THE STATE LEGISLATURE
In tho palm Of his hand.
Judge Brady-It must be small palm 1.aughtcr)
see no mention Of a combination in the papers.
Mr.. Field-The allegation is that the election
owned by himself and 10000 owned by his friends.
This looks like q combination.
Judge Brady cannot allow any thing outside the
q. How did you think that $4,000, oOO would
carry the election. A had not given much atten-
O. Had you arranged with any one to contribute
sharess A. With Horace +. Clark and Lewis
o. Mention other names. A. decline to answer;
l have the same combination now.
q. How much would these men contributes A.
Any amount-enOugh to carry the majority.
O. You say you own large number OF shares
are you
WEALTHY MANI
o. Did YOU inherit wealth. A. About two hun.
dred thousand pounds sterling; this was in money.
Q. Who did you inherit from. 4. My stepiather.
gether l have received from 100000 to E60o 900
sterling.
q. That als A. No, sir; own various shares
some Of the Great WESTERN for instance.
Z. Do they stand in your name A. In my trus-
o. Have you received other property A. Yes,
Q. Have You Increased the propertys A. Yes,
sir considerably by investments.
O. Investments IN what?
objection was made to the question, and the OBJ
lection was sustained.
Q. Now, about your Erie Railway stock; in whose
name do they stand?
This was oblectedto. The Court held that the
present was not trial, but for the purposes OF the
motions before him. This was not, the Court sald
an examination In chief
O. When you dincd with Mr.. Gould and Mr.
Greeley did not you call Mr. Gould aside A. re-
member nothing OF the kind.
q. Give rs particulars OF the sixth interview
with Mr.. GonldY A. What was said by Mr.. Gould I
believe unfoundcd, and it
IMPLICATES MOST RESPEcrABLr GENTLEMEN
of the city, and do not wish to speak OF them.
Judge Brady-Ycu can leave out the scandal.
q. Did You ever do q single thing YOU promised to
10 for Mr.. Gould A. Yes, sir.
Q. Mention one thing, A. A combination TO carry
the stock,
Q. What was the combination ? objected to and
sustained.
@. Does the combination still exist A. Yes sir
T. Have you made out tickets A. ] decline to
answer that question.
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