The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-09-24

"what are the names OF the witnesses WHOSE
presence Is needed, Judge r
THAT cannot say"
"why was not the man Ellis who said ne had
seen Forester on the night OF the murder In wash.
ington Park. with bloody bosom and sIeeve-why
was not he examined this mOrningY"
HE could not positively identity FORESTER. Hd
thought he was the same person whom he had SEEM
but he would not swear TO the lactn
The District Attorney, at this juncture OF the COM
yersation, took up quill pen and began to writei
al am morally convinced of Forresters guiltU
Were those witnesses who, after tho murdery
said mat they had seen man sitting In carriage
IN 'front.' OF Mr.. Nathan's stables through the storms
OF the night OF July 90 among the important One1
whom yon RETAINED from examining before Judgj
"Oh, ] do not know. am not at all conversans
WIN the details OF the case, having casually
glanced nn over them once in while you know-Only
GuEssING-BY dARvIN
Inc witnesses Who you said, were scattered n
abroad 2" -" ~
"Yes Some OF them are In Europe, others ara
In the penitentiaries, and Others guess have beel
hung"-with smile-"at least they ought to be.'t
what will be the next step in attempting tot
~ cannot say. Forester will serve ont his ternI
In the Illinois prison, and Will be, mcanwhilel
secure while we are looking for proofs against
him.
What Superintendent KeIso Says. I
A HERALD reporter called yesterday afternooT
on Superintendent Kelso to learn his views upon
the release OF Forester.
"Mr. Keso" said the reporter, ~ suppose YOU
know FORESTER has been discharged ?" /
"Ahl yes. We came to the conclusion to Drop
the matter when we saw that 1t would be impOssl-
BILE to obtain conviction"
'DO you still think Forester Is the right mani"
~ do, sir; am as morally certain OF it as ana
that sit here now"
"But you cannot prove itS"
III can prove it. But not with the kind OF evt-'
dence that would make an impression on q jury"
superintendent Jourdan was Of the same int{
preston as yourself for some time before he died.,
was he not 2"
"Yes sir. 1t was he that inaugurated the chase
for that man, and what details he left unfnisheI
we have been working assiduously at ever SINCE"
"Elis was the first man, was he not, Mr.. Super,
intendent, that led you in the direction OF For.
"No, think not. That is question, however, I
am not at liberty to answers but he gave US soinG
informaton.n
Gould you place any reliance upon man ike
~ could trust what he told me in this way:-wS
will suppose know man who think, from cer-
tain circumstances surrounding HIS life, Is cog
infant Of facts that would lead to points In the de-
lection Of great crime If could get at thcm.y
eral means to get 1t. will endeavor, first, to COMO
to It without letting. the man know wh53
or for whom the Intelligence is wanted. IL hla
caution should take alarm, or my plans arg
reCOmDenSo
Information Is valuable and likely to lead to any RED
suits. Wel then, when he consents to tell us WHAT
he knows l send out my most experienced and
careful officers to test the truth Of what he has
stated; In that way we not only verify what VIZ
matter that materially helps in the working up Of
q case"
"You have spent good deal Of time in this cascs
at has never been lost sight or Not day has
passed since superintendent Jourdan died that wd
houn ham nndn llsrIf
i'Yoar leading idea was always Forrester"
and we have not yet Changed our opinion. But va
have been after half dozen men beside Forrester1
It s rather discouragng after all the labor that naa
must always remain concealed, to hnd you'd
efforts subverted and your purpose and
tered upon nHs'' this matter ter to nnd th3
murderer Of Mr., Nathan; that has been my sin3
gle, and can safely say left nothing und0ne that
was likely to bring me to the man."
oq ad not s bring ot q the other
where was the use We concluded to let the
matter drop, and SO we did When man sees th0
given to the public in print in opposition to the
Statements Of Detective Farley it Is about time hS
felt disgusted with himself and every one else.n
not ~
an officer who has been prominently connected
with this department for years and what ne say4
Is disputed by a fellow of that description and h9
is listened to. 1t l. mOnstr0us Detective Farley
has worked indeatigaby in this case ana spend
many hundred dollars OF his own money to hunt
up the right man, and 1t Is rather too bad to pue
this fellow Conner opposite him with contradict
ton In his mouth. Phil Farley has been over this
entire ground, and myself have travelled many =
rood OF It with him."
"Wil you send Forester back to Joliet, Mr..
superintendent, or will you hand him over to
PinkertOnSu
~ will give him to Mr.. Pnkerton as he holds tho
requisitiOn."
Inny Ia NJ KaIcN Cnrr
York at the time OF the murderY,
~ know 1t. can produce man who spoke tn
him the night Mr.. Nathan was Killed; but you see
the evidence would be of the character as the
rest, and can't use It,"
Thus closed a conversation IN which there wag
apparently much regret manifested at the result
OF the Forester inquiry by superintendent Kelso.