The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-07-28

and the depredations Of the Alabama. the Treto
ana 1tner cruisers to which the conversation was
thought made manifest conspiracy. OF which
the the Confederate loan was an additional proof;
the notice q the British 'nf appea to
supposed, and as Lord Granville denies Mr. Adams
referred to the Alabama among the causes tend
to war, with the view to aid the COnfcderate
cause, and whether as Lord Granville asserts, and
M as ast esis Of blockade
! lfshes the Alabama and other cruisers were
the subject OF the conversation, there was no occa
sion on my part to adduce the Confederate loan as
additional proof The fact that 1t is mentioned as
additional proof shows that It was not tile main.
proof OF which Mr.. Adams had been speaking.
| PLAIN DIPLOMATIC TALK.
! Lord Granville has unhappily misconceived the.
subject which formed the leading topic OF the inter
| view between Mr.. Adams and Lord Russell. The
depredations OF the cruisers a1oat, the continued
building OF ships for the Conrederates in British
ports the manning those ships with British sailors,
and the unc0ncealed desire on the part Of the con-
spirators Tor the success OF the Coniederates ana
this, in tie Estimation ''' Of Mr.: Adams.
was ,s. the evidence s Of the existence Of the con
% to loan was an
Granville mentions that the despatch Of the
l4th Of February 1885, and that OF "a May, 1857,
OF them communicated to Her Majesry's govern
ment. II His Lordshp means that these notes were
but then he controverts what was not
alleged, had said the Official correspond
is within the knowledge Of Her Majesty's gov
eminent This Lord Granville does not deny,
ana this reassert volume containing the notes
reerred to was placed In the possession OF the Brit
ish Joint Commission, and was again formally de-
December last Lord Granville himself more than
once quotes from It, thus establishing what have
within the knowledge Of Her Maiesty's S' Sov
e Ir LORD GRANVILLE refers to despatch to
h ssSg~sry hs 1882 II sSHs
made IN the United States to the convention nego-
tiated by him; His Lordship makes long ex-
tract from this despatch referring page 1877 that
on which IT appears. The two dispatches which
he had intimated had not been communicated to-
volume, from which he thus quotes, the
sp IF MIS- eSnssn W ms Ls s
taken In the view thus decidedly expressed, it
might be expected that notice would have been
taken Of so important an error when it Is remem-
was then speaSins and in in the negotiation SV Of
states, a branch Of the treaty making
ad With that r
expression OF his own views In the despatch
was allowed to pass unnoticed by this government.
The vote, Of the Senate is understood to have
cause, approved Mr. Reverdy Johnsons treaty.
The inference may be fairly drawn that no
opinion obtained somewhat extensively, in this
country at least that the Senate of the United
states did take somewhat decided notice OF the
treaty, and that, in rejecting the treaty itself.
as the Senate did, 1t swept away all
the reasoning in argument in Its defence,
notice. But, however this may be, the despatch Of
Earl Granville establishes the fact that at its date
plo o sam Mr. Johnsons despatch ' to contro-
vert had been advanced. Historically, there
FORE they then known ynan the e eas
before the meeting of the Joint High Commission.
The citation Of this despatch by Her Majesty's gov
meeting Of the Joint High Commission,
their presentation to that Commission. was
a surprise. Soon after the reception OF this
despatch Of Mr. Jonnsons sy his t Gsna ne
James. Those who know Mr.. Johnson's social and
genial qualities will not be surprised to find that
Lord Granville, not content with citing his On1cial
despatch in explanation Of the conversation, pro
ceeds cite, in defence Of the British side Of the
ten several months after his retirement from public
life, In an instruction from this Department to-
sentative Of this government dated May Is, 1862
informing HIM Of the then recent action OF the
known as the Johnson Clarendon treaty.
THE PRESIDENTS VIEWS
The views OF this government are thus expresse0
In relation to the claims OF the United States
against the British government. Upon one point
the President and the Senate and the Overwhem-
ing mass of the people are convinced-namey, that
the Convention from its character and terms, or
from the time of its negotiation or from the cir
cumstances attending It's negotlatl9n, would nor
not have afforded real substantial satisfaction to the
people, would not have proved hearty, cordial
settlement OF pending questions, but would have
lett feeling Of dissatisfaction Inconsistent with
the relations which the President desires TO have
OF common origin, common langua , common
literature, common interests and OBJECTS I'm the
action OF the United States Senate as above shown,
and the expression Just quoted from my despatch
history Of the attitude OF Tie eDee Of
the United States in relation TO the whole
subject at time Mr. c9n nsnrdm
which Earl Granville places so much reliance. The
support which Her Majesty's government can de-
sire from Mr.. Johnson's despatch seems TO me very
slender. To show that the United States continued
to maintain this position in relation TO the claims
it may not be out of place to call your attention to
the language OF my instruction to Mr.. Motley, OF
September rs, 1862 In which occurs the following
expression OF the views then entertained by this
gOvernment-"The President Is not yet prepared to
pronounce on the question Of indemnltes which he
thinks due by Great Britain to individual citizens
their property by rebel cruisers fitted out
in the ports OF Great Britain is he
which he thinks due by the British government for
the larger account OF the vast national injuries II
has inflicted on the United States. Nor does he
attempt now to measure the relative effect OF the
various causes of injury as whether by untimeiy
recognition of bclIigerency by suffering the fitting
out OF rebel cruisers by the supply OF ships,
and munitions of war to the Confederates, or other
wise, in whatever matter. All these subjects
oil future consideration, which, when the time for
action shall arrive, the President win consider,
&C." 1t seems strange that this language should
have failed to make evident the existence
OF serious complaint on the part
of this government on account Of the
national losses and injuries consequent
upon the increased rates OF insurance tlc transfer
OF the merchant marine of the United states TO
Great Britain and the increased expenditure caused
by the prOOngation Of the war for the suppression
of the rebellion. That the idea OF q claim on the
part OF the United states for Indirect damages i0r
national losses even then neither new nor oh
scure In the minds OF eminent British statesmen
need but refer again to the opinions expressed by
Lord Cairns ana Professor Bernard quoted in my
note OF the 10th OF April. see reason to qualify
wh nccaSinn StlCe-