The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-09-23
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we engaged In friendly conversation.
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we engaged In o friendly conversation.
Long voyage you have had, Monsieur !"
eyes, long enough, /" replied.
at has not been very agreeable ?"
ION the contrary 1t has been the happiest OF my
life.n
We stayed In the ante-room quarter OF an hour
perhaps. Men were smoking, chatting, perhaps
lobbying, and 1t reminded me very much OF the
Hobbies of the House OF Representatives, though
this little room at Abdin was much quieter and
homelier. 1t told me the story Of Egypt as waited
and thought. Some may have had claims. They
may have been intriguants; they may have been
spies. Few see the viceroy. A man with an In
come Of $5o,0Oo,0oo q year, a family numbering
12,O 900 known, and responsibility to Constan-
tinople, cannot see everybody. In other letters
have compared the viceroy to Napoleon III.
He makes some Of the mistakes, perhaps, OF that
fallen despot; but he does not confde in men who
deceive him. The viceroy knows every transaction
Of uncomfortable Importance which transpres
In his dominions. He is consummate In his man.
agement OF police, and lavish In his scattering OF
money, and both 90 together. I knew, then, long
before met His Highness that was to meet Q
man Of no mean conversational skill, and Of no
petty requirements in the art Of government.
Monsieur sa nous plat ~ and passed that way,
preceded by Mr.. Comonos.
THE vICERoY WAS READY 10 RECEIVE Us.
We then entered the body OF the palace The
route to the viceroy was now open. Our con-
ductor, who was pleasant gentleman, OF the
Italian nationality / should judge, invited us to
repOse ourselves In an ante-room OF the Viceroy,
Immediately below His Hghness' reception room.
We remained there, perhaps i've minutes, and
had very pleasant chat, all about Egypt, Ameri-
can travellers and the coming season. Presently
an usher comes in and announces that the moment
has come We follow our anable conductor. In
the nave Of the staircase we pass tropical land
scape, wrought In artificial flowers and this re-
minds me that after all the principal topic Of my
interview will be agriculture, subject so agree
able to Mr.. Greeley-up a semicircular staircase,
nanked, surrounded, in fine shut in, by mirrors
and stand again in lofty vestibule leading to the
Viceroys presence.
THE vIcERoY.
We move forward quickly and perceive, In
small room, furnished In what our New York peo-
pie would understand as q genteel manner, and
thrice the size Of small Fifth avenue reception
room,
LITTLE, SHORT, PLEAsANT-L00KING GENTLEMAN,
larger but not taller than General Grant, with
mown whiskers, like scythed hay; benevolent
man, am sure; o gentleman certainly. He ad-
vances to meet Mr.. Comonos and myself Mr.. Com
OnOs says:-
"Mr. --, correspondent Of the NEW YORK
HERALD, coming from the Soudanl'
81 am very pleased to see YOU" Ce sttts en-.
C7td1stS de vOtlS UOtr).
We moved towards the divan. The apartment
was partially obscured and nearly all the shutters
were closed. Mr.. C0m0nos seated himself next to
the Viceroy, and your correspondent next to him
and within ten feet Of the Khedive. His Hghness
was plainly dressed In grey pantal00ns dark walk
ing coat and black teal without ostentation Of
any kind.
INTERVIEW.
CoRREsPoNDENT-You Highness after having
travelled nearly i've thousand miles in your do
minions by river, desert and sea, could not quit
Egypt without paying to the man who has labored
so nobly for her prosperity and grandeur the re-
spect which journalism owes to grand enter.
prizes.n The viceroy smiled and inclined.
HIS HIGHNEss-I am pleased that you have not
left Egypt without coming to see me. You seem
to be in good health, Monsieur. You have not suf-
fered from travelling in these warm chimes, where
you must have been Ill at ease.
CoRREsPoNDBNr-werl, ! perceive by the tele-
grams that there we're MY sunstrokes day in
New York, and escaped coup de solicit in Africa;
30 do not complain much about the climate.
ABOUT SIR SAMUEL BAKER.
His RICHNESS abruptly What is the last news
about Baker
CoRREspoNDENT-when left the White Nile I
heard that Sir samuel had reached the Lake
Albert Nyanza, with small force. The intelligence
is not certain. 1t was passed down the White Nile
through all the tribes that the White Pacha (Baker
had left Gondokoro, and had reached the junction
with the Lake Albert Nyanza.
HIS HIGHNEss-I do not credit the news. 1t
seems to me impossible.
Observation-Disclosures you are right. I be-
leve however, that Baker has reached the lake.
He had trouble about getting porters, made war
and unwittingly planted his own pathway with OBJ
staces Still he is a man Of ready resource and
quick intelligence, and will, believe, surprise
Your Highness In the end.
HIS HIGnNEss-Samuel Baker went to the White
Nile to create, not to destroy commerce. Instead
Of increasing our trade there he has nearly de-
stroyed 1t. Travelling Is not safe along the line OF
the rivers the tribes in hostility to the govern
ment, and we find our dominion under his war Of
conquest unsafer, uns0under, than II he had not
gone there at all. Formerly our empire extended
to Gondokoro and beyond; now 1t is not increased
by any annexation by Samuel Baker. You OBJ
served, perhaps that the commerce was dead thereP
CoRREsPoNDENT-Yes, Your Highness; the mer-
chants complai n and there is scarcely any trade at
all.
HIS HIGHEEss-When Samuel Baker went there
with this large expedition he found the slave trade
nearly dead. The suppression Of that trafc injured
our interests very much, yet we hoped to save q
remnant of the commerce with the natives Now
all is dead. Peace instead Of war, cultivation In
stead of conquest, amity instead Of violence must
be my policy toward the peoples Of Central Africa.
I wish to civilize and develop those lands, but
cannot do it II the blacks aroused to bitter op-
position. The nature Of negro is simple enough
but leave him alone. regret what Sir Samuel
Baker has done because 1t implants in their rude,
untaught minds that Egypt is their enemy. Bakers
position is doubtless critical.
CoRREsPoNDENr-Yes, when I left Khartoum,
two months ago, the boats sent to his succor had
returned, with great mortality, and without being
able to penetrate the distractions In the Nile.