The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-19

s ra ~ n ,t that on the 18th he win either make
statement or lay the papers on the table OF the
think such an announcement meets what is due to
Parliament. Hear, hear.l 1t appears to me that II
the papers were aia on tne ,aps or any arrange,
on the 18TH 1t would be quite Impossible that the
House. adjourning on the same day for more than a
fortnight, could pronounce any opinion on the ar
rangement come to or on the nature OF the papers
produced. Ii might happen that your lOrdships
would agree with the arrangement made, or that
you might think IL compromise which did not ap-
pear to be consistent with the honor and the inter-
ests Of this country. If my noble friend would say
later day than the 18th imagine the House would
approve the arrangement proposed. This is a very
important question, and one on which the govern
ment nave expressed very decided opinion; but
If they were now TO give way and make an I'M
worthy compromise such a course would occasion
great anxiety, and, may say, would excite great
noble friend proposes to alter the day for the adj
Jonrnment shall feel II my duty to proceed with
Earl GRANvlLLE-In any dinlculty have ever ex-
perlenced In the course OF my long connection with
never have been guilty of anything that could be
thought unfair-(cheers) have no hesitation
In saving that Il IT is the generally expressed wish
OF the House that after any declaration which
nope TO make, or after laying the papers on the
table, we should not adjourn for few days later
than was suggested, |, for one, as matter of con-
venience to your lordships, should not be disposed
to throw anyobstacle in the way. (Cheersl
Earl GREY-Before my noble friends motion is
rotary will give some assurance that in the mean
time no course will be adopted by the government
ceedng inconsistent with the course sketched out
IN the motion OF my noble friend.
Lord REDEsDALE-I think 1t would be q great con-
veniencc II your l0rdshipS were to come to dec
sion as to whether the discussion on this subject
should be taken before the holidays or after. You
might say that you would not adjourn before
Friday week. In order that the debate might be
held on Thursday week. cannot help referring to
the notice which | have given on the subject Of
these claims and to which called the attention Of
tile government last year, and also since the COM
mencement OF the present session: If the question
which raised was brought into the arbitration 1t
would precede the consideration of any question
of damages whatever 1t is one as to the right Of
the American government to demand damages for
acts committed by or on behalf of the South during
the war now that the North and South have united.
have abstained from any interference in the hope
that something would be done to render 1t unne-
cessary: but think this negotiation is now drifting
into hopeless state, and beg to say that have
not reinquished my intention OF bringing the ques
ton again before your lordships
The Earl of DERBY-May I ask the noble Earl
whether he can undertake, for himself and his col
a neH s shan now Se
ton that we should not adjourn till Friday week;
and II the papers were produced on Monday, so as
to be distributed on Tuesday morning, we should
still have time to consider, and, II necessary, to dis
cuss them before the holidays. That is arrange
ment which think every one would feel to be salts
factory. shorter interval than that would not he
convenient. 1t is certainly desirable to discuss the
question with the papers rather than without
had them twenty-four hours before the adjourn
ment that would be useless for the particular pur-
pose we have In view.
Earl GRANvILLE-I will either present the papers
or make full statement Of the intentions of Her
Majesty's government before the House is called
upon to express any opinion
The Marquis of SA1IsBURY-What we desire is not
only to be In possession of the papers, but to have
time to discuss them before we separate for the
holidays. l hope my noble friend will assure the
House that he will not only present the papers on
Monday, but that they will be In such state as to
ha DIV fnrA 1tr ttNr Tn cdnu
Earl GRANvH.LE-At the earliest moment I will
either submit the papers or make statement as to
the proceedings OF Her Majestys government
beg your lordships not to suppose that have the
slightest wish to preclude the House from discussing
the question. should it think fit to do SO. CHear,
Lord CAIRNs-There is still some difficulty not
withstanding that the noble Earl has replied to
noble Earl first Addressed your IordsRips under
stood him, while adverting to the circumstance
that the House was to adjourn on Monday, to I'M
dertake that he would either lay the papers on the
table or make full statement with respect to
the. negotiations before we separate. Now, II
journment OF the House should be kept
open, and that the House, If necessary, should
sm W or hi his
and either make his statement or put us in posses
sion Of the papers on Monday. II he does that
then l think there will be ample time to propose
any resolution that may be necessary.
Earl GRANVILLE have to apologize to the House
the slightest hesitation in saying that the answer
which the noble and learned Lord assumes to be my
answer is the correct one gHear'D butt wish your
postpone the adjournment unless it should be the
general wish OF your lordships ("Hear.'D
friend is prepared to say that before the
House is adjourned he will either produce the
papers or make statement as to the negotia..
tons, and that II your lordships should be disposed
to think that you ought not to separate Immediately
for so long period as he proposes that then he
will yield to the wish Of the House, and allow a dis
cussiOn upon the new terms which we imagine are
to be proposed by the government. II that is the
understanding think should be taking too much
on myself If ! were to bring on my motion to-day,
and not allow my noble friend the short time he
asks for in order to make statement which may
unfortunate difficulty. However, it is always to
be recollected that my noble friend, the 18th Of
June last year, declared to this House solemny
and decidedly that the whole OF those indf-
rect claims were swept away and that they no
longer formed part OF the new agreement, although
they might have been admissible under previous
one. Il should also be recoected that my noble
friend was one OF the Ministers who advised Her
Majesty In document OF the gravest form-n her
speech to Parliament at the opening OF the present
sesson-to declare that claims were put into the
American case which we understood not to be part
OF the treaty. 1fmy noble friend will say that he
adheres to those words-if he will abide by the as
serton that the treaty Of last year put an end to
the indirect caims-and II he will say that, adher-
Ing to those declarations the government will
make no engagement inconsistent with them,
shall be prepared to postpone my motion.
Earl GRANVILLE have answered good many
friend, may say that am not aware that there is
anything in the statement he has just made to
which object am perfectly ignorant myself of
any intention OF departing from any declaration
have made either this year or last, on the subject
OF the Washington Treaty The only thing wish to
guard myself against is the idea that shall pro-
duce anything new at the end Of this week or the
beginning of next,
Earl RUssELL-I only wish, with your lordships'
leave, to refresh my noble friends memory to
what he said on the 10Th OF June last year. These
were his words on that occasion:-
These new pretcnsions might have been carried ont
under the former arbitration but they entirely disappear
under the limited reference which includes merely
plants arising out OF the escape of the Alabama.
II my noble friend adheres to those words am
content, and am quite ready to postpone my mo-
ton.
Earl GRANVILLE do not wish to seem wanting
in the slightest degree in respect to my noble friend
and therefore, even at the risk OF wasting your
Lordships' time, beg to repeat the answer have
already given that there is nothing said, either
last year or this, which wish TO retract or In any
way modify.
Earl RUssELL-T will, then, postpone my motion
until this day week, on the understanding that
either then or before that time my noble friend will
be prepared state the exact condition OF the ne