Rock Island Argus. (Rock Island, Ill.) 1871-1872, 1872-08-22
From the Chicago Tribune 2lst.
LETTER FROM THE HON. LEVI NORTH

The Hon J. B, Hawlsy Denies the Truth Of
Judge Bustaee's Statement at Springfield,
about President Grants Conversation with
Judge Wilson, Of Utah and Finally, is
Made to Tell Another Story Quite as Bad
KEwASEE, Henry Co., H., Aug. II.
10 tho Editor Of The ChisAgo Tribune.
SIR The Hon. J b Hswley, Congress.
man from Rock Island, who wants the
GRANTEES TO nominate and rt-elees him TO
Congress, spoke here last evening il con
sequence Of which sumner, Schurz, Fenton,
Governor BLAIR, Palmer Julian, hGrner,
Moultou, and FNrnsworIh, ~ well as Gree
lsy and Brown, are nowhere nov.
Bot his eve had lit upon the following ex
tract from Judge Eustaces speech, delivered
a, Springfield last Wednesday evening viz:
He Eunacs1 said that General Grant
had not only intorisrci With the
law-making power, but with the iuaici-
Ary oil the United States. Ho proposed
70 make the statement publicly, 50 that It mig Z
BE- denied II any Grant man called the truth Of
what he said In question. He said that while
Wills shaHer was Govern Or Of Utah and Charles
wilson was Judgc Of the District Court Of tia.
Territory, u became known that the constitution
ality Of certain law 10 relation TO the natural
nation % foreigners In that Territory would
come up for the decision before Judge Wilson.
10 wa also believed that the law would he de .
clared unconstitutional. Governor Shafer sent
for Judge Wilson, who Informed him that be
was about to decide the law uuconstitutiona
Judge Wilson told him he woud postpone the
decision 40 long a. practicable, but when called
upon to decide it, he must decide IL to be unson-
stitutionaL BE was at once notified that bis
services as Judgc Of the Territory would be no
longer required, ana 10 a few weeks the new
Jadgs arrived. Judge Wilson wen 10 Ashing-
ton, accompanied BY John 3. HAvley, member
Of Congress from the Rock Island District. 1hcy
together bad az intsrvieE with tho President.
Judge Wilson asked the President: whether be
had bsea removed for auy cause which appeared
on ale In Warrington. General Grant Informed
bin there we're no charges against bin. The
Judge thea asked him Why be had been remov-
cd. The PrsUdent replied "N were rsmov-
cd because you were atouttO decide the Law I'M
oonititutonSl" Mr.. HaWlsy attempted TO argue
the Constitutional question as TO whether that
was . proper reason FOR the removal Of Judge.
The President said IL look upon the Judgss
in the Territories, and oil the officers Of the
Territories, as members Of the Governors stat,
and II they cannot carry out bis orders, they
must resign or be removed
He said he was never more astonished 10
his life than when he read that paragraph
No such thing was ever said in his presence
by the President. There was not one word
Of IL true, to the best Of his recollection
and he inimatsd that, If it was repeated
again, he should take occasion to demoish
somebody.
Upon the conclusion Of his speech Judge
Wilson, who resides here, and was present.
asked leave 10 make an explanation. He
sad that Judge Eustaoe had gotta part Of
two conversations with the President mixed
Mr.. Grant did not say, IN presence Of NJ.
hdptey, that be looked upon the JUDGES OF
The Territories as members Of the Govern.
or's staff, aud, Il they could not carry out
bis orders, they must resign or DO removed. "
This vas said 10 presence of Congressman
Fitch, Of Nevada, at a conversation prior 10
the one when Mr.. HAvley was present.
be farther said "Mr. Hawley went to
the White House with me 10 see the Presi-
Dent, and Mr.. HAwlsy inquired OF him IL there
we're ATTY charges against me to which the
President replied that there we're
not. Mr.. HaWley then injured
dent answered, You we're removed on
the accommodation Of Governor ShaFer.'
Mr. Havley, not being entirely satisfied
with the reply, pressed him for the reasons
assigned BY SnAffer The President said
there seemed to be a vAu, Of harmony be.
tween Governor ShAher and my,elf
Wilson and spoke particularly OF the
naturalization Of Mormons. That point
Of diferenee between the Governor
aud me Wilson was this: Governor
Smaller SAID to me that Mormons asking to
Dc nA'uralized 10 my Court ought to be com.
PEELED to not only make the proof and take
the oath required By Law, bat should also
s'cear h1t they lcere not poiygamists, and
d'd nos believe IN polygAmy. / told aim |
that polyRAmy was made felony by law Of
Congress, the same As murder, larceny, and |
ROBBERY was, and was punishable BY i'm. |
puionmsnt 10 the Psnitentiary; that a man
was not bound TO oriminate himself that
the law on the subject OF GENERALIZATION ap.
pied to the States and Territories
ahkei and that man coming into court to
be natnrAlzsd could not be asked if he had
committed murder there was no law re-
curing ~ but, If such test was to be
made, Congress must assume the responsi
putty OF requiring it; ! could not, sitting As
Judge, lsgislAts upon il The subject
va, discussed by the President, Mr.. HAwley
ana myself and the President seemed IA.
mlIlG With the point Of controversy between
Governor Shafer and myself. He conc IT.
rsa wish The Governor in the matter, and in
minated that this had been a part Of the pol
icy Of The Administration toward Utah, and il
vas 50 understood by the Governor; and he
sSlu ae muat have harmony between the
governor aud the Judges"
each OF these points Mr.. HAwlsy as.
sen'eo' as having occurred in his presence (;
ana wall be seen that, If not all as Judge
Ea''Aee stated it, there is even more 10 sub.
stance.
Farther IN regard to this matter: 1t istrue
mat, about the time Of Skaters appoint
meni' which Tas in the spring Of 1870, Col
Sael Patrick, Of Omaha, Was appointed
SaNed States Marsha, Of Utah, aud, after
MS arrival, Sbafier said TO Judge Wilson
30 mo Judge has always said, and it is ful
Soreoova'ed by subsequent events--lha