The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1872-07-17


They are peculiar in form and were given under pc
cuar circumstances, and the original holders at
least have not been deceited-Thcy were given
without authority Of law, and could not until
adopted'by the Legislature, bind the Government,
and that was perfectly understood they were ne
gotiable because they were given for valuable con
sideration and were transferable by Endorsement.
Had the Minister had a successor, do not think
that such successor would, because Of the form Of
these bonds, have considered himself bounden eth
er as an individual or as-Minister OF Finance to
pay them.-There had been nothing before us show
ing that a single dollar received them went into
the Hawaiian Treasury, or that any money bad been
paid out Of the Government funds for the Hotel 1t
was true that the Bonds were signed by the Minister
of Finance and Register Of Public Accounts, but
/ that alone did not make them Hawaiian Govern
ment Bonds.-He thought they should not have
\ been so signed-it great mistake. Something
has been said about liking tine Hotel and liking
the way in which it was built He thought that one
might quite consistently say that he liked the hotel
very much, thought it supplied great public want
and was very happy to avail himself of its advan-
ages and even vote TO pay for il and vet decidedly
disapprove of the Of raising the money, Of
the form of the bonds, aud of the way in which
the business was done; and again that he might
disapprove as stated, aud yet not think it neccs-
sary or right to vote for this rrsolution-that
the resolution under discussion contained some
statements that he could not agree to- He did
not believe that there had been any lying or
dishonesty in the transactions, but did think it
great mistake and Improperly to 90 on and build
with the intention OF trying to get the Government
to assume the cost without first having authority
from the Legislature. He consider that Minister
might do very unwise act, and be blame
worthy and yet not forfeit his claim to confidence,
or be deserving of formal censure
Mr.. Carter said that there one matter in which
he wished to enlarge upon and that was negotiable
paper he did not want the Court to 20 ustray if
they intended TO adopt his opinion. Not that they
would, but he wished to answer the Minister Of
Foreign Relations. understand that the term "or
bearer is directly understood as making paper ne
gotiable, but primarily must not the paper DC of
some value against the maker 1.-THE bond is not
issued in accordance with the law, is it of any value
as against the Government? l told that these
bonds have been refused as collateral security
The Minister of Finance distinctly said he would is
sue negotiable Bonds of the Government, to all who
would aid in the HOTEL now the last speaker saws
distinctly that they are not Government Bonds;
this places the Minister of Finance in a worse posi-
ton than had intended TO place him, as the Minis
ter in the preamble to the subscription list promised
TO issue negotiable Bonds of the Government and
has not done it. What the Noble has Just said places
the Minister from one horn of the dilemma to an-
other neither of which are very comfortable seats
1t has been said that there is proof that the
ney went into tue Treasury here comes this unfor
tunate preamble again, it says that "this money is
to be paid into the Hawaiian Treasury" there is no
positive evidence that the money went into the
Treasury but surely there is presumptye evidence
that the money went into the Treasury. The Minis
ter of Foreign Affairs in the course of his remarks
took occasion to allude TO the followers of the Mem
bers from Honolulu, all that l can say is that if we
have any followers it must be from the fact that our
arguments have been fuvoably presented TO their
intelligence, for certainly have not the patronage
used by the Ministers at disposal, for are as
poor as Lazarus.
Mr.. A. f. Judd said that those members who op-
posed this Resolution Of they thought
that impeachment the proper pursue, on
y urged this because they were seeking some preext
upon which to satisfy their consciences The Minis
ter had issued Bonds which PDuported their face to
be Government Bonds and which were unauthorized
by law. This was admitted by the Minister in his
budget. When the money for these bonds came into
the Ministers hands, whose money was it? The Gov
ernment's or DR.. Smiths? If it was the Govern
ment's, it expended in the Purchase of land
and the erection Of a Hotel without the authority Of
law If it DR.. Smiths, why did he.not give his
note for its repayment and not Bond of the Hawaii
an Government? In either horn of the dilemma you |
take, the of the Minister was wrong, aud de
mands the of this House. As Representatives
of the Kingdom we ought to jealousy guard against
all encroachments upon rights as law makers.
Motion to indefinitely postpone the resolution put
to vote and carried-25 ayes to 10 noes.
Assembly adjourned.
SIXTY SECOND DAY, July Is, 1872.
The Assembly met at the usual hour, the Presi-
dent His Elk. P. Nahaoclua in the Chair. Prayer
by the Chaplain. Journal of the preceding session
read, and on motion, approved.
Mr. Carter Chairman of Sanitary Committee, to
whom was referred the Resolution taking of the
restriction on passengers leaving for the other
Islands, reported against the Resolution. Report
adopted.
Mr. Kuihelani gave notice Of Bill to prevent in
erpreters of Courts from!acting as Attorneys
Mr.. Rice read for the first time a Bill relating to
nter-Island Steam Navigation - authorizing the
purchase of a new steamer) Bill passed to second
eading and printing.
The following Bills passed their third reading:
An Act to enable the Commissioners of Crown
4ands 10 convey certain piece Of land belonging
o the Royal Domain; Act to amend an Act en-
tiled an Act to regulate Names, and an Act reg
Hating Marriage Contracts.
An Act to amend Section 14l7 Of the Civil Code,
anne up on its second rcading-it being unfinished
business of Thursday
Mr.. Carter, II. H., W. c. Lunalilo, Messrs. Ma
yahi, Martin, Lonoaea aud Mikalemi spoke in favor
# the Bill, and Messrs. Kuihelani, Nui, Kaa Ku-
,akee, A. F. Judd and Kipi against it.
On motion, the Bill was indefinitely postponed
" a vote OF % to 10 as follows:
Ayes-His H., W. c. Lunallo, His Ex p Nahaoe-
na, His Ex P. Kanoa, Hon c. r. Bishop, Hon. c.
ianaina Hon. D. Kalakaua Hon. W. p Kamakau,
Ion. H. Kahanu, His Ex. F. W. Hutchison, His
*. c. C. Harris, His Elk J. Mott Smith, Hon.
Iessrs. Kaai, Kupakee, Hitchcock, Kipi, Halemanu,
'aihe, Aholo Hanaike Kaukau, Kuihelaui, Nui,