New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-01-06


hai then been virtually organized and declined IT. the
recommendation came to Mr. Grunel from tho district
men: think about the same time Mr. Stocking was put
in charge OF the business; declined It for several rea
sons after the system was established Tor tho good OF
broadway; Mr. Grnnell talked with on the subject
and told him IL was impotc TO do so; opposed W MT
ncii waited me 70 hire the office q own name de-
Shed TO 90 and tSc dstc cartmen in BroSdway
my connection there was simply by direction OF the COZ
hector instruct Mr. stocking and his clerks III the sy
tenn which Mr. GrinRoll had already established went
there for that purpose and when my mission was enueu
O. Was that carriage system in existence at this timef
o. when was it changed2 A. I think about the time
Mr. Grnnel went out of office; perhaps little Deioro'
LEGAL CARRIAGE CHARGES.
Mr. Lindsay-You asked yesterday for the rates Oh
storage and carriage in bonded warehouse ana eenera
order warehouse; find upon examination That IL was
"a cents package.
O Does that 81 cents include the carriage and storage
A. No. Sir; I am now speaking of public store
O. The Appraisers store1 A. Yes, Sir, the Appraisers
%rice undcr the new rules they reduced to about
80 Cdd per cent there was some 80 per cent IN iaTor 81
MT rinnes system OF carriage over ana above the old
system which is TO be proved by the books that nave
O. How much per cent A. Thirty or 10 per cont.
O. find at page 100 OF the testimony taken before the
other investigation that Mr. Grinne states that he i'm
order stores that there must reduction in the charges
Of the General Order stores 3S per cent &c Is mat me
reform you speak OIL A. Yes, Sir 1t was all uhder MT
Grnnell's administration.
O. Let ask you whether that reduction in cartaSe
az established by him for the benefit Of the Government
and merchants. has been lost by changing the SYSTEM
ncl's object was solely and wholly TO reduce the
pcnses OF the carriage aud to protect the Governments
without regard TO outside parties or their interests OF
course he looked at the interests Of the merchants
TO reduce the expenses he got up TINS new sysem'
which covered the ground 50 fully that there was no
possible chance Of peculaon under it it required every
officer of the Government that had connection WIN the
Teat reason why the carriage system was opposed
strongly in certain drectous the receipts were such
the number the was the of the carter the
character of the goods the hour ana tne minute Wen
f go come T' here II there were any doubts as
to the time when they were coming in; we could very
easily trace the cart directly to know whether me man
d9ced the cost to the Government as the books Will
show, some thiry-odd per cent, ana ms clGuatlon
ernment in the Government store, think, of about
$4,000 year. forget exactly the sum-Some SJOOOO 10
$}5 900 year.
THE OPPOSITION TO MR.. GRINNELL.
O. You say that by changing his system that advantage
has beer lost3 A. Certainly; so l understand it.
O. You spoke just now of opposition in a certain direo
ton; be little definite, and tell us what " that
direction" means-the source A. Well, the of
that not only from some OF our own people the Re-
publicans am perhaps well known TO be Republican,,
but 1t came from Democratic enemies, who took
away OF course to great extent the control OF the cart
mens-that is, the Democratic cartmensbusiness; yet
n,icd for license nnder Mi Grinnei and the proper
bonds we're given the license granted to him at once
without question as his political character, if he emily
O. Then this reform visited all classesl A. Yes Sir,
alike: 1t was attempted toreach all classes
@ The opposition came from those whose projects were
O. will ask whether, from your reflections and examl
nations OF the matter you are now prepared TO say
whether the rate of charge IN the General Order ware
houses, which it was testified here ranged from y SO to
s. per package I'm excess of the bonded warehouse
rates for similar pdCE2Gesf A. MY impression Is that
they must lie nedriy dOub from all can earn know,
OF course. nothing definitely but should judge from the
facts about twice the amount 1t was originally intended
@ Had you. during your dealings with the Custom
house, knowledge OF any regular charges mace by
O. You have no knowledge Of that a. No. Sir: I
know such charges made Mr. GTinnell told me so
but by l do not know he investigated some OF
them himself, but not able 10 recall them there
were 80 many OF those things coming up.
Senator Casserly-Q wish to draw your attention
for doing their duty by private individuals outside of
their regular lawful salaryt A. never saw ANYTHING
of that kind know there were several instances OF
that kind brought up, and Mr. Grinncll examined into
o. rhcfe We're several such casesl A. There were sew
crl such cases; impression is that there were sew
er1 officers discharged.
sPECULATING POLITICIANS.
Senator Bayard-Q. Mr. Lindsay, have you any knOwl
ed or information of reliable character in regard
60 the control Of appointments in the CustOmhouse by
various leading politicians in NewYork and in New
York community by which, after having secured the
III St to them moneys which they arc
paid by the Government A. have no positive knowl-
g. Do YOU think such a system existsl A. do to a
certain extent Mr.. Grnnel and talked 1t over very Of
O. You believe, then. that the political influence OF
certain leading men in the community is made profitable
to them in that way that they procure appointments
afterwards levy upon the appontees ior their own
benefit A. 30 1nderS8md 90 hOs SOW o do any
O. DO You know what is the charge If any charge is
made for the stOrekeepers assigned TO these General
Order warehouses-pubic warehouses; A. do not
of the warehouses charged for sOrekeeper for each
housed A. do not know that, Sir ,,,. 49,.
O. DO you know the fact that there Is public store
keeper assigned 10 each housel A. Yes, Sir; my i'm
precision that the warehousekeeper has to pay and
O. Are you aware how much he is charged for each In
@. DO you know what officer of this Customhouse
would be apt to have knowledge on that subjects A.
stand something oft Mr. RUSSELL presume may be
able to inform you. ,,.,
A. / visited 1t several times with Mr.. Grlnnell
@ DO you know what the Government pays in rent for
be positive that some $4,000 or $4,000 on the new
You do not know the terms On which they are paid
renewed under Mr.. Grfnners administration.
VALUE OF THE GENERAL ORDER BUSINESS.
O. Have you ever had to form estimate OF the
number of packages that went to the General Order
stores during Mr. Grnnes timei A. Yes. Sir
O. State about what that vast A. was trying to find;
If you would give sufficient time could tell you;
supposed had 1t here,
q. want 10 KNOW Wndt "olu NO 'no hulnpoi' nay III
year. of the General Order packages sent to the ware
house and subjected constantly TO the chargei There
used to be about one package In ten sent to the
Appraisers store sometimes there would be deviation
from that you get at the facts of the Appraisers
store and calculate that there about ten times
many 20 into bond as into General Order.
O. What proportion Of the packages do you assume
coe and 20 through this portal to the General Order
A. You could get at those facts by sending for the
books
O. What books will betray tbatf A The books kept at
the General Order store.
O. who keeps this stOre3 A. The stOrekeepers
O. Was their business to keep accurate account OF