The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-04-12
TIE FRENCH ARMS FlZZLE.
Secretary Boutwelrs Rscoliections About Cham.
bruins Interfsrence-squire and the Rem
ington Recommendations : ingalls,
and Mrs. Mason's Story-That
$4,000 Wo, tn Of Stock.

WASHINGTON, April II, 1872.
The Senate Arms Committee met this mo.aing at
halfpast ten.
SECRETARY BOUTWELL,
was recalled and testified he had held conversations
with the MARQUIS de Chambrun In relation TO the
letter OF Remington TO Lecesne.
Mr.. Hamlin-Dd the Marquis at any time tell you
he gave that letter to Senator summer
Answer-l had conversation with Chambrun
some weeks ago upon the subject the prea mble
Senator Summers resolution. In that conversation
the Marquis said the letter-which he understood to
be the Remington letter-was not delivered TO Mr..
Sumner by him. and then stated how 1t was given
to Sumner. He said he gave the letter to senator
Patterson to show to the President, and
PATTERSON GAVE 1T TO SUMNER.
BY Mr.. SchuIz- Did he say Patterson gave to
sumner the letter Its contents ?
Answer-My recolle elton IS he said Patterson gave
the letter or copy OF It to Sumner.
by Mr.. Schurz- Did he not further state. as ap
pears from his testimony, that he communicated
the letter first TO Senator Patterson aud that Patter-
son gave the contents 10 sumner before Chambrun
had amy con versaton with Sumner about H7
Answer-My recollection Is that ne said Patterson
Remington letter; see by the preamble there were
two letters; have no distinct recollection q TO
wnat letter II was.
by Mr.. hamlin- Did no not deny that ne furnished
the letters to sumner
Answer-l did not say that; went to the Mar
quis IN order to protest or COMPLAIN that he had
drawn Senator sumner into an equivocal position,
and the conversation his part was IN the nature
OF denial that Sumner had acted by his special
agency or influence, ana he said he mad withheld
Information from sumner and mad not stimulated
him TO this investigation.
QuestIon-Did Chambrun state the object OF his
Apswer-I do not think he did; ne never ex.
pressed to me his desire to aid NJ Place; think no
expressed friendship for Place; had three CONVEX
sati0ns with the Marquis, but do noS recOlec fur
Their on this p0lnr.
was recalled In reply to questions by Senator
Ham.in he said he had read the testimony OF Onam-
brun but not carefully; nc the first trial OF piaee
Remington was accidentally In Paris, aud, picking
up newspaper, saw II reported that his name Was
called as a witness, but he was not there; Remlng
ton .hereupOn called upon the Judge and presented
himself as u witness without being summoned; he
Thought that was in Octooer or November;
THE CRITICISM ANNOYED HIM,
as It was charged ntlmated that ne was not dis
posed to make good his charges against NJ Place.
not speak the french language and SO an nterpre-
ter was crowded, tnouHh poor one; Remington
cunsIances; at the first trial Place acquitted.
and the attorney OF Place made severe comments
and his reialions to the French government that
Remington came to America 10 obtain letters or
papers
AS TO HIS PAST RECORD;
Remington was not III any way interested IN get
tlng up charges against Place; Remington has been
asked by the French government to make certain
statements about Place; this was called out by the
French government and not volunteered by REM
lngLon Remington applied personally to friends,
including those with wn0m he held ofllcal Tela-
lions, to furnish the required papers, not 10 estab.
lIs mis- character but correct misrepresentation
Abroad the papers were simply for the vindlcation
or Remington; the latter was not called nor the pa
pers useu at the seconi trial, but Here
USED BEFORE THE PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE;
the papers were translated INTO the French Ian
guage Tor convenience and printed copy handed
To each member OF tiat committees; witness was not
sure copies were furnished TO the members or tho
Court that tried Place; TO his knowledge the letters
nrn ed n
OF State; he thought the signatures OF the writers OF
the letters were authenticated at the American Lega-
BY MR. Schurz-These papers we're not procured
to help in the settlement OF Rcmington's account
been settled by Inc committee on War Contracts;
the witness understood the only delay In paying
them was the waiting to- ascertain what Will
COME OUT THIS INVESTIGATIONS;
II matters remain as they now are the Remington9
chosen, could have taken advantage OF the French
government, us they had been offered larger prices
Tor arms BY private pardes the witness gave an
stock which General ingalls, testified mad once been
III mis- possesslon; 1t was TN issue or oyerstocS;
$4,000 Tor 1t; ingalls, said If Squire had named q
lower sum Tor the stock he wound have taken 1t,
and squire sad ingalls, mad asked more he would
have given 1t; the stock Was issued 10 another
party-General Butterned-for his efforts TO pro-
cure
THE INVESTMENT OF OUTSIDE CAPITAL
In the Remington Company; he thought the stock
were abandoned; II tue arrangement mad been
carried out the certificate would have taken the
place or the stock.
BY Senator Carpentcr-The certificate was not
purchased from Ingalls, In consideration OF any
tDing; ne never believed ingalls, did ans tnlng In
the purchase OF arms tho took was not pur-
chased with reference To sale or erect TO be pro-
ducei;i I II had been legitimate STOCK " would
have been worth tnree tunes as much as IL repre-
scented. witness was then examined at length with
regard to has call AZ the War Department. to pur.
chase arms.
GENERAL INGALLS,
was recalled. Had never had an interview with
Mrs. Mason ut tue Hoffman House, In company
with General Dyer, ABOUT the sale OF arms. nor mad
he mad o conversation with any other woman on the
subject. tie repeated his former testimony That the
So 900 worth OF scrip came into hispo5session rom
a third party, III lSJU-from General Butterneld,
with whom he had private transactions aud an cX-
change OF private papers. In contradiction OIL tho
Marquis dc Cdafnbrun the witness said he had had
connection whatever with the RemlngtOnJ.
BY Senator Steyenson-faere Was no truth what
ever the statement OF Mrs. Mason as To himself;
he never had q CONVERSATION with mckenzie about
the purchase Of arms.
THOMAS RICHARDSON
was recalled. and gave testimony ABOUT the papers
ment OF ,qulrcs that tue French government had
passed upon Remingt0n5 account.
f. c. Reed briefly testified ia relation TO the te5t-
mony OF Peck and ChamUrun.
The Chairman said the committee would close the
testimony with that OF the secretary oil War the
tive SIarkweatier Ia whose presence 1t was SAID Oy
CQumbrun, the letter VI Belknap to Fish nal been
read and also tnat OF Colonel Benet Mrs. Ma
son. case she could be found.
the committee adjourned until saturday.
BATTALION DRILL OF THE SEVENTH REGI-
MSNT.