The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-19
THE TREATY IN ENGLAND.
Bridging Over the Alabama Claims Question in
the House Of Lords-Earl Russells Motion
and Lord Granville's Appeal-A Little
More Time Wanted and Then
No More iSilence-England
Firm in Her Resolve.


The House Of Lords was last night crowded In
every part, for a lively debate was expected on O
motion by Earl Russell. That motion virtually
amounts to the proposition that England should
withdraw Immediately in case the indirect claims
were not given up by the United States. AS the
English government has adopted the policy of dal-
lying with the negotiations, taking up no very de-
cided position, in the hope that some arrangement
might ultimately be arrived at the acceptance Of
Earl Russelrs motion would really amount to O vote
Of want of confidence. The motion of Earl Russell
was originally fixed for the 22d of last month"; then
Il was postponed till the 10Th. and then. once
more, 1t was postponed till last night. Lord Gran
Vile last night asked one postponement further,
oner1ng compensation that the government
would make clean breast Of it, give up the policy
Of silence and let the country know the whole state
Of the case. Even this promise did not satisfy the
House of Lords, because, as the House s to adjourn
ON the 18th of this month, it evident that
tho government could, by conveniently delaying
their explanations for few days longer, avoid all
discussion, and get the entire management Of the
af7air into their hands. They accordingly insisted
on q promise from Lord Granville that they should
have ample opportunity to discuss the conduct of
the government before separating for the whtsun-
tide holidays How eoquently this fact speaks for
the want Of confidence in the Gladstone govern
nent.
Iappend full report
DISCUSSION IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS
Earl GRANvILLE-My lords, before going to the
Orders Of the Day hope your lordshps will allow
ne to renew an appeal have already made to my
noble friend lord RusselD whose motion stands
nrst on your minutes Your lordships will remem-
Der that last Monday he postponed his motion till
to-day In Order to give your lOrdshps time for more
consideration. Your lordships win not have for
gotten that on Thursday stated to your lOrdships
That we had received from Mr.. Fish an
answer to my note Of the 2oth Of March. de;
also added that, although l could give no
positive assurance to the House, yet Her Majestys
mens would be arrived at which would be satisfac-
tory to the country. At that time acknowledged
tho great forbearance shown by this House, and
which the House OF Commons had also shown, and
Iexpressed hope that for short time longer that
that my noble friend would give an intimation that
he intended to postpone, at all events for
S aSen i notce motion Appealed which to ne
noble friend In private, rs l now do in public,
not to press his motion to-day. My lords, 1t is
very painful thing for me personally, as your lord
ships will understand, that there should be q mo-
nOn on your minutes IN the name of my noble
Her Majesty's government. may add that it is
also extremely painful that such motion being on
the minutes Of your lordshps' House. should be in
she position Of trying to have that motion post
p0ned instead OF being in q position to encourage
Its being brought forward at the earliest possible
moment. But we are dealing with very large and
very important question OF an international char
acter, and personal feeling is entirely out of the
question. It is our bounden obligation to act as we
think our public duty requires ''Hear, hear'D-
and, therefore, ! do not scruple to tell my noble
friend that, in my opinion, and in the opinion Of
Her Majestys government IL would be averse to
the public interest that the matter should be dis
eussed to-day when your lordships have not got
that information which the papers that must be in
short time presented to your lordships will give,
and also when Her Majesty government, through a
ct n tEs Ta be noss
good enough to answer me that 1t Is already
announced that this House will adjourn
month, and he remarked that fortnight after the
latter time has been appointed for the meeting OF
member that on Thursday a noble and learned lord
opposite l1ord Catrns) put question TO me as TO
s.ha Gay could nx for laying the papers on the
tion without notice. Under the circumstances it
would have been impossible for him to give notice;
was impossible to specify the exact day on
which we should m be prepared to make an an
l0rdships did not think that was an unreasonable
answer On the other hand, do feel that It was
eS mere when thanked ordss
ucence which we think 1t our public duty to oh.
serve, and which We think, so far has been use.
ful TO the public service, but we doubt whether IL
would be fair to ask Parliament to separate for
long time at this moment, while leaving you en-
have therefore to state to your lordshps that
shall be prepared before Parliament sep
make as to ts spe poso or anS
prospects Of the1 negotiations now going on.
can hardly think that under those circumstances
my noble friend will refuse to listen to INV appeal.
for am confident that noble lords on both sides OF
the House would rather pique themselves on their
ShiYness TO the government and would be disposed
20 give 1t their best assistance when 1t has to deal
with grave international questions. (Hearj
| Earl RUssEIL-My lords l gave notice OF my
m60on for the 22d Of April. I then put or that
motion till the 10th. On the latter day, when I
found tina the despatch had only Just arrived
postponed my motion till this day. In the interval
6e1efe this dey sryiyed found nv noble Gtend had