New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-02-02


TO Mr. Undcrhl In 1869 for work ordered to be done
by him; think II was 20 per cent-n the aggregate
between $4,000 and $1,000 kept the account with him
In books; VIC did the In 1863 suppose pre-
vious TO 1868 the percentage only a triaeit has
grown larger years passed along; have paid Mr..
Terwillger he did services for outside OF the
Legislature.
O. What servicesi A. Well, various services We have
always arrived at that by allowing him percentage
have always allowed him 20 per sometimes
it less in 1862 had been doing piece OF work
for the Senate that had passed through several years
historical records-and it completed in 1869 think
in that way his percentage ranged little higher than
common; books, previous TO 1869 were mostly
destroyed by fire. but the books of that year contain the
account with Terwilliger; voluntarily offered
TO pay man percentage
@. Did Mr.. Terwiger offer 10 give you this work II
you would give him percentage A. No, Sir; lie
mentioned the word percentage when the work
done and completed then he would call and we
had settlement
Q. How much time did he spend in proof-reading and
other services for you in 1SG9 A. More less during
the year
O. Did he do anything after the Ie gsaturo adiournedi
a. Yes, Sir.
@. Did he spend altogether much time as a MONTH
A. l should think not.
@. Was not that duty he should have attended 10
without any payi A. That Is for him to decide; I
couldn't say how much altogether paid him, but l
think II amounts TO 81, 900 5000; have contract
for all the departments 1t amounted to about $4,000
$4,000 In the aggregate in 1871 lost 20 to 80 cent
ON contract, which expired in January, 1871 at
present is better; lose sometimes in printing large
blanks, and make small previous to 1869 the In
surance report was always printed by Mr.. Benthusen
Mr. Barnes the superintendent insisted that he had the
right to give it out to whom he pleased ii is legislative
printing; keep proofreader in the Office, but IL Is
customary TO send out whatever is sent up
IN for hp
to alter it; | think we would have paid
Mr.. Terwilhger just the same percentage whether
he read the proof not there agreement made
between us, but IL always understood that the
Clerk to have 90 per cent the per ceDtage did not
increase the price Of printing any made a pretty
fair profit out OF II; do MT to work for nothing
we did mt make quite much OF it would out
OF private contract; don't think the price charged the
State exorbitant; presume II the work had been
brought competition with other printers, could
have done it a little less, but there was no competition
in the matter have done printing for some Of the
clerks to whom never paid penny don't consider
that the Clerk in my employ when he read tie
proof for which paid him.
O. Was he paid, then, because be brought the printing
you2 A. Well il lie had MT brought the printing 10
u.s. there would MT have been proof for him " read
not for
@ Was il paid him because 1t was understood TO be
part of the perqusites Of his object A. Yes, Sir.
now LOBBYISTS ARE PAID.
O. Did you think it fair for the Legislature TO
now the contract with The Angus without any bidding
A. think little Objectionable; considered 1t
party measure have had items inserted in the Sup
ply bin, but we have paid any individual to have
that done; paid until last year. when
was too attend TO my business, and employed
do ii for the amount was little higher than
ought to have paid him. but should have failed did
not get him his Phelps don't know whether
| he was in the Controllers Office not; never
! IA hpfo Int nd III
he came and said he would attend to my business
for me- paid him $4,000 paid him at different times;
he wanted Sc 200 first and aferward SAID he must have
sio01, was not have his pay unless he did his
work. probably have his full name my books he Is
a smal-szcd man, with dark hair and lame he WAS to
get one bill passed for DONE but consumed by the
fire; did pay other person in this way; The 1HdS
and Argus printed legislative documents In 1863; they
could not execute the contract themselves for want
of facilities, and made arrangement 10 assist them;
did a large quantity of printing and lithOguphing in
1859 at cost which facilitated the printing of the eh
tive documents if there any profits at tie end
was to be divided for the two years. 1863 and 1870;
did $500 worth for The Argus Company all we made
on it was about S2OO they wanted their contract
tended 10 get that done their printing was not to exceed
100000 for 1869; the printing and hographng went
TO over $4,000; now, for them 10 get Their
contract extended, they took nearly all our
profits, leaving $l,2OO; / told them then
would have TO 20 the next Legislature and ask FOR
Southwick percentage for the insurance priuting
think the custom Of paying percentage to the Clerk cN-
listed when Mr. Caldwell here and Mr. Richardson;
never paid Wilson nor sherman Il dollar: Mr. Dawson,
Mr.. Tenoy cke, and Mr. Smith manage The ErCAiHg Jour
nal; Dawson and Tencycke partners In the Legsa-
tive printing understood threat made 10y some
the Legislature that claim for completed work at
the time Of the fire should not be paid in consequence OF
editorial articles in The JOWrnai that not the
! employed Phelps; ii was because wanted some
one to attend TO my business; there was an appro-
priation of $4,000 last year for the Red
Book hut only about s2SOoO was used; we
charged dollar apiece Tor them; more than twothirds
it has to be reset the profit them is about Is to 20
per cent the Clerks Manual is sereOyped. except the
rules adopted the charge for that is s. that gives
pretty good profit you can't expect printer to work
for nothing there 1000 issued; If there were any
competition it might be done cheaper
O. Do you think the custom to pay the clerks per
centage for printing under their direction IL stl in
force A. Should think not don't expect TO pay
him anything, nor do / know that he expects il Mr.
southwick is clerk in the Auditors Office
The Committee adjourned to Tuesday next AT % j. ~
THE LEGISLATURE.
THE THIRD AVENUE RAILWAY-PROBABLE RE-
PEAL OF TIE ERIE CLASSIFICATION ACT.