The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-03-16


recall; II ] have they nave been paid me; there
are no outstanding notes that 1 know 0f-tnat -,
against senators; ! have many CLAIMS against the
senator Ames-Of course we all know that there
those whom you influenced VITA reference 10 the
iegisaI0n OF the last three or four years NJ
Albany a:o, Il has, been stated that there was
an account kept by YOU or by some one
else ana that you had copy Of the account on knew
an about H. anu or the amount Of moneys that HAD
paid 10 various individuals. Now, wish To ask You
whether any such amount exists or ever had ex
lseencef a. nave no knowledge or 1t.
q. wish to ask whether there were ever any
transactions Of tnat sort on the part Of ANYBODY to
your knowiedgef A. Not that know OF.
q. You don't remember SPEAKING TO senator Wood
about the charter in ls7o9'A 1 don't know now
was because 1t was talked OF by EVERYBODY; was a
ilttle exc.ed az the time-thoughJ had been pretty
ALlrrLE ON THE FIGHT,
inclined TO be muscular ana thoulht AMI talked
sleep, and when ! woke il rose before me, Ike
liam!ers ghost; worked very hard to pass II.
S1w DeS Sn9w y enr " 20 Of
except as appears IN Inc articles In the news.
q. Ycu have 10 knowledge or reformation except
from the newspaper statements A. No, sir |
never supposed ne was purchasGbe man; be
lleve that In thls Ike many other eases, The
imagination OF the newspaper men moves u great
deal faster than The ,rGth.
- Testimony o. Jay a0pid.
Jay Could sworn tesifes rs folows:-I reside IN
known him about two years; had no personal ac-
quaintance with him; knew hun by reputation as
FRIEND oF THE ERIE ROAD;
General Diyen had often spoken OF HIM; during The
winter OF 1870 lrst became personally acquainted
WIN MIN at Albany; senator chapman, VINO ~
director o. our road, introduced me 70 him at my
request.
q Were there any measures then pending, ,or
about To he brought before The Legislature, IN which
the EVE road wa Interested A. No, sir was
President OF the Erie road, and have been ever
since think no measure WAS Drought before the
senate Ol 1870 Or 1871 winch interested the Erie
road.
Q. Was 1t anticipated that any supecE IN whlca
the Erie road, Yourself PERSONALLY, or any other
person interested the Erie road might be before
the LEGISLATURE durins these sc sionsY A. That Is
RATHER A HARD QUESTION
10 answer; never anticipated any trouble ami
remember nothing now inat bad any personal
Q. There was bill passed through the Legisa-
tUre known as the Erie Classification ac.. net par
tculary applicable to the Erie, although 1t was
enforced on mat road. You knew OF that measure?
a. Yes that was passed by the Legislature PRIOR TO
O. Was 1t not discussed outside o. the session
s repea 5 mat nn nave Dsen be made 10
z. Was there no discussion coming from any
Quarter which might nave reached your carss A.
Q. Have you no recollection thai there was some
discussion OF that sort IN one quarter or another
which reached your attention. A. Yes. SIR.
e: Well, sir, now Intimate was your ac ,laintance
MIN first; how often did you meet ma? a. Ere
quently.
twice at Albany; met HIM frequently ia this city.
@. Was General Wood ever retained as counsel
for, or had he any other business connection with
the road? A. Yes; he was not retained by Us, but
we were interested in a projected rallioa what
was to run through his town; It was matter OF
general talk ana discussion; General Wood was
much interested in pressing The PROJECT
Q. Where dld that originate A. / don't remem,
Der; have heen for several years seeking to get
a connection through the Genesee Valley.
q. And you wanted his Influence for tins project?
@. We're there conversations hel between you
representing the Erie Company and It's oicers--and
General WOOdl A. Yes, sir; alnos. always when
Q. Did General Wood ever hold any authoritative
position with regard 10 tnat road? A. doat know;
inever the list Of directors; we were to become
lesSeeS OF tIat road
o. On the occasion OF this interview with Wood
thing on the subjecty A. He was oosed upon as
an Old citizen OF the place, whose voice would have
great weight In certain measures we desired to
@. You lid not treat with him at any lime as an
olfcial? A. No. sir; / usually him when he
came, to New YORK. he stopped when he was pass
ing thronsh; h. was aliiced this fan by The death
making al arrangements FOR the funeral, &c
q. In any OF your Interviews with MI. Wool have
there been any money transactions between you OF
TOY 10Y. s0i'' A. iAc'' mas ''c" 0'' Ss's '"n'"c
o. When was that? A. Some time In 1870
O. Can you call to mind the exact cate2 a. 1t
was In the winter of 1870,
O. Was 1t during the sessoaf A. can't say par
Iculary; my impression Is 1t was; General Wood $
predecessor, Senator Humphrey, was very stro 9
TREND OF ours, an when the time caue 1t was
always my haOlt where there were any men
bers OF either house that had been friendly to Us,
when they were put mp Tor Office 10 assist them;
Senator humphrey came 10 me; he mad been
A srEADFAsT FRIEND OF THE ROAD
and General Wood mad also been 1rend; the
officers Of the company were also very much nj.
tached to HIM, and the question came up about
assisting Humphrey in getting the nomination, and
decided upon assisting him, and did assist him
as against Wood TO the eXtenS Of So, O0J from my
own funds: gave 1t to Senator Humphrey TO
10 secure his nomination in the district; however,
ne lost the nomination. ana after General Wood
was elected, asked Senator Chapman, VINO was
director in our company, to introduce me 10 him;
so he introduced me TO the General ana told him
all about IT.; told him what | had done and the
reason, aud he SAID he was perfectly satisfied that
he had always been friendly to us.
Here Gould explained that Wood "then or sub.
seqnently spoke aeout that dlstling enterprise;
aa ao nU' w wa Assist '"' "e'
GOuds testimony then goes On:-I thought the
matter over, and | told the General that would
lend him $40, 00O dld not want to be Identified
the transaction with any OF these parties but would
lend 1t to him as personal matter; did so, and
he still owes me the money; can't state positively
whether the transaction happened during the SEES
sion or noi the interview with Chapman Is vivid
after That hut know felt as though, having done
SO much against him,
WE OUGHT TO GET EVEN;
loaned General Wood $4,000 and took his note
for IT. 1t dated at the time OF the transaction;
paid him in currency; our Office IS away up town,
trouble Of journey down town Tor the purpose OF
Identification, we pay IN currency.
Albany or New YOrkS A. My recollection Is that
the General spoke to me immediately alter the in-
PRODUCTION, and the matter was under Amusement
some time, and ne came down " New York to close
1t; 1t was not under advisement very long;
remember | made some LILLE inquiry about
the business Wood was engaged IN; l had
no acquaintance with The persons directly engaged
In the business; | think made their acquaintance
before closed the transaction with General Wood;
made inquiry into the prospects OF the enterprise,
but not into their pecuniary standing or RESPONSE
blty, prior to making tine transaction; think In.
CURED into the pecuuiary standing and RESPONSE
billy OF General Wood can't say OF wnom made
inquires: the most natural person would be
General Diven; | know received the impression
that ne good: other PERSONS name but
woods was on the note have not the note with
me.
q. Was it not given TO Bradner among other
things 10 enable him at his discretion to show 1t to
OerS who might CaylllinV at the cOuduct