The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-06-04
IrlEGRAMs TO the NEW YORK HERALD.

In the House OF Commons to-day Mr.. Gladstone
apologized for not being able to make definite
statement with regard to the negotiations
with theUnited States he had promised tho
House, The postp0nement OF the day OF ad
journment by the American Senate rendered
full explanation impossible AS for the sup
Elemental article to the Treaty of WASH
ington, he would assure the members that it
did not leave the subject Of the indirect
claims, present or future, open for misunderstand
ing hereafter, and in this view Mr.. Schenck, the
American Minister, conceded. He gave an account
of the preceding negotiations, and said the sug
gestion was made that England should draft an
additional article, whereby she was to make certain
agreements for the future, and the United States
was to undertake not to press the indirect claims
This suggestion was accepted and acted on. The
difficulty which had since arisen did not touch the
main point.
Mr. DIsRAELI called attention to the fact that the
Premier had omitted to state whether arbitration
was to proceed on the 18th inst
Mr. GLADSTONE replied that this date had been
kept carefully in view in the negotiations.
Mr. HoRsMAN put the following question:-"Has
the government any reason to suppose that the
United States government is inclined to withdraw
from Secretary Fish's position that concessions
from England must precede any settlements"
Mr.. GLADSTONE replied 1.-THE understanding Is
that the United States make no claim touching in
direct damages at Geneva. These words Her Ma
jesty's government believes bear but one meaning
and in that Mr.. Schenck agrees with u.s."
Mr.. OSBORNE considered that the explanations
amounted to nothing The House and the country
were not satisfied. He hoped that distinct decla-
ration would be extorted from the government
that unless the indirect claims were fully, fairly
and Immediately withdrawn Great Britain would
refuse to proceed with arbitration (Cheers.)
Mr.. BoUvERIE said he had heard the statement of
the Premier with alarm. He hoped the govern
ment would not accept Minister schenck's verbal
assurance.
viscount BURY gave notice that he should move
an address to the Queen similar to that of Earl
Russell in the House OF Lords for the withdrawal of
Great Britain from the arbitration unless the in
direct claims are abandoned by the United States.
Mr.. WYNDHAM inquired whether care had been
taken that indirect claims should not be raised.
Mr.. OTwAY said they had been warned of the dan
ger of fresh engagements with the United States,
and he wanted to know whether any new engage
ments had been made accepted by the govern
ment.
Mr.. G. B. GREGORY. member from East Sussex
begged to know II the government had the assur-
ance of the American Minister, Mr. Schenck in
writing.
'sNo" He added that honorable members seemed to
think that some price had been paid the United
States for withdrawing the indirect claims. This
impression was erroneous. He explained at some
length the word consideration" which he adj
mitted was used in the supplemental article; but
the consideration covenant between the two
nations for the future, and was reciprocal. He
declined to discuss the question Of pressing the
withdrawal Of the indirect claims while ncgotia-
tons still In progress to obviatc the necessity
THE PEERS ON THE CRISIS.
In the House OF Lords Earl GRANVILLE also made
statement with regard to the condition OF the me-
gotiations at Washington. Communities tions, he
said, continued to be exchanged, but without re-
suit, and it was impossible to pre-
dict what the result would be. The
lawyers of the Crown had concluded
that there was difference OF opinion between the
two nations touching the withdrawal Of the indi-
engagements for the future. He was aware of the
difficulties of the moment, and hoped they would be
overcome.
Earl RUSSELL said the time had come when plain
words were desirable, and he gave notice that he
should tomorrow press his motion for an address
to the Queen for the withdrawal OF Great Britain
from arbitration
Lord CAIRNS denounced the supplemental article
as pregnant with danger.
Lord wEsTBURY was severe on the government
for shelterng themselves under the Crown lawyers.
Earl GRANVILLE defended the act saying IL was
proper to show the good will OF the country
toward America while the treaty was hanging in
the balance. England had only emulated Russia,
Austria, Prussia and other Powers in similar acts