The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-04-03

ferred so from his general department ana con-
Q. What occurred immediately before or imme-
1lat I aiterward IN connection with your bank
A. Yes cir, about that time.
Q. What were your Impressions in regard to the
supposed the cashier was sent there to Mem phIs-
he was sent tnere-as the tool OF the Comptroller:
By Mr.. HOLBURD-Where were you when Mr..
Bun examined the Danks A. think was IN New
YORK, PROBABLY, or Washington do not remember.
Q. Where nad you gone ana slgned these noIes9
a. subsequently brought this notice 70 Washing.
Y How soon did you know the bank had been
examined without your knowledgef A. DOM re-
member; think the first information mad Of that
was acre In Washlngton; don't remember any
thina as TO the signing OF these.
U know that YOU had official Information. You
don recoect the date when this carriage was gotp
Q. And you don't remember when Mr. Hin went
10 memphis as cashier OF the bankY A. No, sir.
O. You think they Were about the same time
A.. think that they were near the same time.
to say about the carrlageG A. Yes, sir; DO not
Wish 70 say ANYTHING further.
ny MI. MEkRiAM-Did you give any clerk OF the
Treasury Department any money, and II So for
VIVA. purpose. A. Mr.. Howensteln had some.
q Was ne the only onef A. The only one IN the
THE BRIsED MAN SINCE DEAD.
money q clerk there. VINO has since died; would
rather not say anytning to reflect upon his family
or any one connected with hun; 1t Was In coanec.
by the CaAIaMAS.Do you know In what bureau
nt .as department, A. he was connected with
by Mr. Cox-What was the consideration for
giving him money! A. That Is question that
answer.
q. We have right to insist upon ON answer. A.
| 1t was nothing moro or less than allowing large
| amount Of government deposits to remain in tins
bank; made min presents IN money anu he allowed
| II 10 reman he could have transferred II, II no
saw Mt. INTO any bank THAI ne wanted to- he had no
official relation to MI spinner III any way, but he
nad the power and authority TO use fav0rtsTn, and
he could allow money to remain IN this or that
DanK, ana at tue same time not violate the law; Mr..
spinner knew nothing about these TRANSACTIONS
THE CONSIDERATION.
Q: He did favor your DankY A. Yes, SIR; 1t was
customary to do so; he favored the National Bank
q How did you approach him state the CONVEX
saiion you had with am on the subject. A. He ap.
them " remain.
.. DID he ask you for money! No. SIR just
O Where was TINS transactions A. In his office,
right at mis- desk. $3.50"
Q, Ia chvoS or money! AL gave him the
3 Did he ask you for the money, or did you pro-
pose 70 give IT to HIM A. lie dia not ask me.
MODS AS GOOD AS wINKS.
g. What did you say when you gave IT to him
| did you say you wanted TO be favored2 A. No, SIR.
was very little conversations; men don't
Il paid The money and got the favor, and not only
tnat, we PAID every single dollar to the goyernmenI
|
we owed ON Individual deposits; we had good
many from poor people and sat up all night Ia the
Tennessee National Bank and ordered Inc book.
keeper 10 make out memorandum checks Tor every
judviduai deposition, anu then ordered the teller
TO put tpem IN document envelopes, aud we paid
BY Mr. MERRIAM-You paid money to that young
man and got your pay Tor itY A. Yes, Fir.
ness for the ComuIroIer now. what favor did you
get In returnY A. just simply believed that II l
had hot done this should have been prosecuted.
@. For whatf A. don't know; l was In troubles
mans perceptions about those tniDgs-I 80 UNDER
by AR. Cox-Did you ever make use OF money
out or your bank Illegally a. Never dollar.
this clerk. Whya because 1t wourl crlminate your
ssl{l 4, ~ slr, except might be considered a
q. Was ihai the reason for the reluctances Ola
YOU consider 50 a. am n NO. sr ana mot be-
mignt as well 40 as anybody else.
T. In your letter you speak oil proof that HUI
YOU Have YOU any ming further 70 say ABOUT that
A. did not know whether HOwenseln gave Mr.
% Inc sS Or wdre M tn they
simply nave their words for It.
o pa you state what became Of this carriage
Q. what became Of its A. suppose Mr.. HUI.
BY the CHAIRMAN-Did he ever offer TO return 1t to
80 rnnowiSo DOWN THE THIRTY PIECES.
BY Mr.. MERRIAM-WhenY A. He offered TO do so
through Mr. Davis, OF New York.
| q. Whenf A. 1t must have been about year ago,
O. Did you refuse to accept It, because 1t was
worn out, probably, and the narnessS A. Well, Sir,
by Mir. Cox-siate all about this. A. have moth.
& is mat ali the transaction, that he offered to re-
turn it, and you refused III Is there nothing else
connected with III A. Well there Is tns connected
with 1t: had written = letter to Mir. hulburd Tor
moLey-asKlng him to loan me some m0ney-and
Mr.. Hulburd did loan me some money; a couple
OF hundred dollars. probably; as l told
{pposraIed 'n % family on a' my S0m PaaS
my reputation and character damaged. and nave
| been treated like robber SINCE and 1t Is very
dlricult tnng for man to get employment
especially II ne IS out 81 money; from what had
cums.ances might he able to pay me back little OF
that money, as needed IL pretty Dad.
O. Is that your handwrting' paper handed 10
witness marked "B''l-A. Yes, SIR; know all ABOUT
4; wrote IT except The paragraph signed BY Nh
harness for him, and never got any consideration
obligation to make Mr.. HuDurd q present In
any manner. snape or form, and because
ton and under peculiar circumstances. and be-
cause the receiver, \. A. Hlll, had stated to me
ceiver, Mr.. Comptroller Hulburd could assist me
Mul6ard I applied to him for money and
told HIM my condition, and at The same time
money that mad been procured IRON me under I'm.
proper circumstances and improper motives on the
part OF the Comptroller; certainly should not have
given the Comptroller carriage and harness UNI
less l mad been inundated by him 10 do 80, and
! therefore did II.
by Mr.. MERRIAM-You state that you should not
have given Mr.. HulDurd carriage and harness
unless you had been intmidated to do lts
| A. No sir; that was my understanding that un-
less had done 1t, under that influence In connec-
ton win my affairs with the bank; ana draw
and liable 10 trouble from the mismanagement; Il
was certainly very badly managed, but II was more
on account OF incompelenoy than criminalty; did
draw q draft on Mr. Hulburl, aud wrote min several
letters
TO witness, marked "O'') A. Yes, sir.
| WHAT, UPON CoMPULsIoN9
@. Explain what you mean by intimidation. A.
mean TO say that the Comptroller gave me TO I'M
derstand that unless gave him something would
have trouble
~ Mr. Cox Did Mr.. Hulburd, by words and acts,
intlmidate your A. Well sir, | Judged from the