The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-03-28
THB STATE CAPITAL.
An Exciting Debate in the
Senate.
The Seventy's Charter Holly
Discussed.
Failure Of the Attempt to Strike Out the
''Cumulative' Clause.
SENATOR OBRIEH ON THE WAR PATH
lie, Denounces Van Mort as a Tool
Of the Tammany Ring.
THE DEBATE ADJOURNED TILL TODAY.
A Death Blow to the Rapid Transit
Schemers.
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The Erie Amendment Bill
h. Denounces Van Mort as a Tool
Of the Tammany Ring.
A Death Blow to the Rapid Transit
Schemers.
The Erie Amendment Bill
ScOtched.

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Passage Of the Brooklyn Bills-What Members
of Assembly Think Of the Dignity Of tho
Reconsideration Wood Not To Be Ex-
pellsd-Nsw York Harbor Masters
Consolidating Savings Banks Acts.
ALBANY, March 81. 1872.
THE DEBATE ON THE CHARTER.
The Senate IN Committee OF the Whole took up
the Seventy's charter again to-day. 1t was gener-
ally believed that thefe would be lively time be-
tween the republicans and the democrats over the
cumulative voting clause, and the expectation was
realized to the full There was an immense crowd
IN the anterooms and lobbies long before the doors
leading to the Senate Chamber were thrown open,
and once the Senate had resolved itself into Com
mittee OF the Whole every available seat occu-
pied only outside the ratings which divide the
common herd from the Senatorial circle, but also
within the circle itself. There were large number
Of ladies among the spectators. 1t Will be remem-
bered that the discussion last evening partlcu-
larry reference the fourth section Of the charter
which provides for
THE CUMULATIVE SYSTEM OF VOTING,
and that the debate was started by motion of Mr..
nemann to strike out the entire section. The dis.
QUESTION that ensued on the strength Of this motion
was exciting IN the extreme at one time, but IL
toned down considerably when 1t became an almost
f0reg0ne conclusion that the republicans were de-
termined to swallow the cumulative pill," as
Senator Madden put 1t. Winslow, who seems to
have constituted himself the champion Of the
Committee OF seventy, made an effort to get the
fourth section OF the bill, as 1t came out OF the
hands Of the Assembly, substituted for the section
"a 1t stands at present. but was unsuccessful.
Mr.. Johnson then went for the section in his
usual STYLE and argued to show that the cumulative
idea was an absurdity. Mr.. Murphy also made a
few remarks to the same effect. ana was followed
BY Mr.. Lewis who said that he was willing TO
TRY THE EXPERIMENT.
Mr.. Benedict male strong appeal In favor OF the
section. but got considerably muddled before the
close or his remarks by persistency OF Mr.. Cock
IN pr0pOundlng questions to him to whether he
considered the cumulative notion thoroughly dem
ocratlc idea, consistent with the Views held by
the fathers as to what republican form
OF government really 49, Mr Cock, alter
botherlng poor Mt Bencdict to sucn degree that ne
finally sat down rather IN iretful mood, paid his
latter might nave put the cumulative system to a
good test IN his own city charter (BuIfaloj when,
Cock mad ioea that what was sauce lor the goose
waS equally
but Mr.. Lewis begged leave to disagree with hun.
He c0ntended that New York was good thing TO
experiment on. great many experiments mad
gone by. but they had one and all
proved OF no. avail. The one which it was
her would at any rate do her no harm II Il did
ner good then he and HIS colleagues who felt as he
fely on the subject might be quite wlllng-nay,
Only too gladto obtain Tor their own cities the same
'.gift Of the GODS" Inc mouon TO strike out the
section was finally put, after Senator Palmer had
stated that the Senate might well strike out the
enacting clause as to strike 1t out, and 1t was
LOST ON A DIVISION
sote Of 70 No. me Tg sena'crs s vone
Murphy, Johnson and O'Brien. Alter the vote was
announced Mr.. Lord got up and challenged the
"Why does the Senator challenge the countsn
asked the Chairman, who looked rather taken aback
s'BecauseO replied Mr.. Lord. 1--WE who voted to
strike out the section have not been set down al our
proper figure. The clerk has announced six In the
Affirmative. BY the decision Of THIS Senate We are
entitled, being inc minority, to vote SIX times"
Lord then sat down amid general laughter in
which the cumulative voters heartily joined; but, IN
order that no wrong conclusions NAV be come to on
the matter by the Illuminated 1t must be distinctly
understood that Mr.. L0rd'5 challenge was
RULED our OF ORDER.
The cumulative clause having thus been settled,
the CLERK went on reading the Dill BY sections. NO
attempt was made to amend any section until the
nineteenth was reached, which provides That no
member Of the Common Council shall receive any
salary fees or compensation whatever. Senator
Wessmann arose. and alter expatiating upon the
general merits OF the bill TOR quite while moved
a. substitute TO the section that the Aldermen and
Assistant Aldermen should be paid 1000 year
each and be fined $40 Tor every time they might be
absent from tine meeting OF the Board. TINS
brought
THE FIERY MADDEN
to his feet. He was opposed to the substitute, for
the reason that he wanted to give the solid men IN
New York. VINO had grown with Its growth and be-
come rlcn in doing business IN New York, q cnance
to serve the great city for the sake OF patriotism
the class OF men who got into once, and he desired
that they should go TO work and give little OF
time and attention TO the government OF tue city,
The section as IL stood would
PUT THEM TO THE TEST;
cn1 me ~ Dick Coo nv ordcs OF gooa
erty snoud not be taxed beyond Q certain rate
would nave an opportunity under 1t Of doing little
good. Mr.. Benedicr followed IN the same strain,
and declared rhat ne knew ANY quantity, OF mighty
respectable men who were ''dying" 10 get some un-
the people some good. Mr.. Lewis then proposed as
an amendment to the amendment that the mem.
me S Uaa % sy ss Of Of no
tusi service. This, win the original amendment
w@ nnally voted down, and thus &c IS de.
service hereafter for love Of doing 1t not Tor
the sake Of dig salary. The twenty-nrst section
was then taken mold OF and 30 amended. on motion
q Mr.. Benedict, That on and after tins year
THE ELECTION FOR MAYOR
shall take place on the second MONDAY OF April or
every year, instead Of on the fourth Monday. An
attempt was made to alter the twenty eighth sec
ti0n which relates TO the Mayors expenses SO tnat
the latter figure was finally allowed 10 remain
untouched IL being understood That In another Sec
ton Oh the cnarter the mayor IL prOnlDlteu lrom
holding any charter or county ONCE outside OF the
Mayoralty. The twenty eighth section was amend.
ed, on motion OF MI. Madden, 30 that the Mayor Is
gwen the appointment or the superintendent
Of Public Markets. instead Of giving 1t 70 the Board
Of Aldermen. In making the motion MIR. Madden
said that ne did not believe 1t right to divide the
appointment responsibility tetween the Mayor and
the Aldermen. The Mayor was the executive, and
an executive onicer should
HAVE ALL THE APPOINTMENTS
and be neld responsible. The thirty nrst section
was finally reached without any material amends
ment having made to any OF the other sections.
Il should be borne In mind that this Is the section
which relates 10 the Department OF Public Works,
and that Mr.. TENANT yesterday proposed an
OF Mr.. Van Mort for two years. lie renewed this
amendment the moment the section was read,
a amendment when the ,huance section was