The New York herald., 1872-07-04
the DEP0sED JUDGE.
An Interview with Ex-Judgo
McCunn.
What He Says Regarding His Senatorial
Judges-A Slap at Hoffman -Tammar
ny as Dead as Benedict Arnold.
He Will Garry the Matter to tho
Court Of Appeals.

no VIII Nos OinA VAooE tn0 su08mont uuN
"Come Out of It Like tho Pebble Of the Ocean. 7
Brighter and Moro Polished from tho
Friction Of tho Angry Wave"
Next to the Stokes trial the removal OF Judge
McCunn by the Senate was yesterday the theme Of
conversation in political circles. The Deposition
was expected, 1t is true but the completion OF the
work created much excitement. A HERALD re-
porter was despatched yesterday afternoon In
search OF the victim Of legislative action, with
view OF obtaining from the Judge any Information
ON the subject in his possession which had not been
brought out on the trial.
No. 2Os West Twenty-ei street. the residence
OF the alleged Tammany judicial offender, was
reached about twenty minutes before Aye O'Clock.
It Is an unassuming three story and basement brick
structure, located in quiet neighborhood, with
white door that bears no plate In polished silver to
indicate that 1t Is the abiding place of Judge
McCunn. A gentle ring brought to the door q tidy
Irish girl, who, In answer to the question whether
Judge McCunn was within, naively answered "Yes"
but, hesitating, continued,
'TnE JUDGE IS MDIsposED
but, perhaps, will you." Giving his name T.
the polite domestic she ushered him into the rccep-
ton room, and hurried to convey his wishes to
the Judge. During her absence survey was taken
of the reception and parl0r, and the reporter
was astonished to discover in the rooms and all
their surroundings, including the paintings that
decorated the walls, evidences of
MODEST YET ARTISTIC TASTE.
He had been in the parors Of ring officials, ana
had expected to find costly gilt furniture, ife-sSed
pictures Of Tweed Connolly, Hoffman, &C.. but
here If he may be permitted to "Jinkenize," there
was nothing to indicate that the owner had .
higher position than young lawyer with
AN INCOME OF TEN THOUSAND PER YEAR.
While admirng the choice yet modest paintings
ana photographs that adorned the walls the domeS-
tic returned and politely bowed the reporter into
THE LIBRARY OF JUDGE MCUNN,
in the rear room Of the second floor. The Judge
was en- desha0tse, and after apologizng for receiv-
ing the representative Of the HERALD under such
circumstances beckoned him to o seat The re-
porter frankly stated the object OF his VISIT and
suggested that II the Judge was too indisposed to
converse few minutes he would call at more OPP
perfume time. The Judge replied that he would be
pleased to answer any questions, and the reporter
at once asked his opinion of the course pursued BY
the Senate. He responded
''Mr. - the entire proceedings were OF tho
most illegal kind. SO far as the Senate and AS
sembly are concerned am satisfied
THEY WANTED VICTIMS;
and they have sacrificed me- But, added the
Judge this is not the end Of it,. intend to carry
1t to the Court Of last resort"
"And what Court is that, Judges''
'The Court Of Appeals. There propose TO take
nv case. and I viii see whether the judiciary
Of the state can rise above party and do exact
"TIave there been, in your opinion, any combina-
tions made to compass your removalT'
81 have In my own mind no doubt Whatever bus
that there was bargain struck between
GOVERNOR HOFFMAN AND TIE REPUBLICANS
to save the former from some or the bad od0r az.
IA ,tVnsv tr I'M
year or two. My conviction was. maintain, en-.
tirely illegal and you may state that say there 10
the same grounds as have been viz, In that
sent references and little favors to my friends, as
every Judge must do Sir, this action OF the Senate B
ONE OF THE MOST TERRIBLE BLOWS
some time"
ain that 1t places the legislative branch Of tho
state government above the judicial branch. there:
by taking away the Independence OF the latter and
rendering it's power utterly worthless"
"Judge"-the reporter hesitated, lest he might
es e @ S
upon
Mr.. McCunn, who spoke with difilculty, and who
was evidently in Great bodily pain, cast inquir
ing look at his questioner and remarked
q do not comprehend the meaning OF your ques-
al It for the reason that in political circles to-
at the bower Of Tammany Hail. in other Words
that as you prominent member Of the Tam
many Society," the blow was struck at IL through
The Judges eyes frightened up. and he quickly
'Tammany Hall, Sir, is irretreivably gone. You
might as well attempt to galvanize into life
THE DEAD CARCASS OF BENEDICT ARNOLD
as to resuscitate the ,o power zero Of % Tammany.
'Outlive 1t Yes, SIR" The Judge smiled, and
continued :-"They have. removed me illeeally bus
have the consolation Of knowing that they cannot
take from me my fortune my surroundings point
ing to his superb law and literary library, ia which
the interview took place., nor
THE LOVE OP MY sTEADFAsT FRIENDS,
who know Of my irreproachabe record ON the
bench. II I were poor, weak man would sink
contrary, will show the community ere long that
can rise above It; that this is simply an ordeal
through which have had to pass that
WILL MAKE ME BRIGHTER AND BETTER"
Here the Judge, who was somewhat overcome BY
the enort OF speaking hestated for moment. ana
"And you, Mr.. Reporter, mark me. I will como
out Of this as the pebble quits the ocean-brghter
THE FRICTION OF THE ANGRY WAVE.
The Senate adopted rules In the session TO govern
has be IN
testimony by the rules laid down In courts Of JUS
tce TO this rule they paid no TesarG nad
suit but would not pay fifty cents to influence the
Court.
DELICATE QUESTION
to you, which you may or may not answer. i nave
heard IL hinted tnat the expend5,ar@e @ ON OF MONEY
Your reference to money recalls those hints TO my
mind. Are you at liberty to speak on this point ~
pended at Albany would have changed the action
of the Senate. Certainly one party, believed by me
to be IN tine r Of M pn s
did not reply to him and paid no attention 10 ns
suggestion" ara, -x
delicate point OF money. Had you put up $5ooVos
think you for moment that the ref0rmers Oh she
Senate would have spurncd the currencyg''
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