New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-03-06

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HIM CoCbrane of NewYork had overheard this remark
of Mr Mudgetts i went into the hotel hat night, met
mark ne said that he had IL was made in loud tone Of
voice In the presence Of number Of gentlemen and
he expressed hs surprise 10 Mr.. Mudgett afterwards
told Cen Cochrane that y was my intention 70 ak an
binary conduct; he said be thought It would be wal
and he very kindly offered to bring Mr. Midget over
thought explanation was due me, that there must be
mistake about It; the next morning, which the
18th OF April Gen. COohrane entered my Office with Mr.
midget; in order that our conversation might not be
subject to Interruptions, ] asked Mr.. Mudgett into
another room, aud invited GEN. Cochraue 70 accompany
us; wanted 10 have him present as a witness to the
interview; should state here that then entirely
unfamiliar with Mr. Mudget's previous history totally
Ignorant of Ills real character asked HIM II he had
made this remark stating that was interested In Jobs in
the NeYork Custom house he assumed an air of great
poeness and said he had made this remark hut he did
not pretend 10 state thus upon his own knowledge he
him the impression he had derived from conversa
with others then asked him 70 give his authority
for the statement; he commenced by saying that Mr.
Lindsay of NewYOrk had represented 70 him that he
exceedingly intimate at the Executive Mansion and
at the New-YorS Custom house was on terms Of
great familiarity with Gen. BaDcock and me and Mr.
between between the Executive Mansion and the New
York Custom.house, and intimated that had pecun-
airy interest in business connected win the Custom
house asked him who else he could name inform
ant well he said. Mr.. Grinneh had either told him
told friends of his-I will I've positive whichthat he
could not dispense patronage of the
be DESIRED; that he had to take OF Offices in the tx
ecutive Mansion and mentioned my name as being an In
tcrested party asked him what else he said that Mr.
Embree Mr.. Grnnells deputy, had informed him that
had been 10 the CustOmhouse had spoken 10 MI Grln
nell subject OF CustOnhouse business or contracts
aud when Mr.. Mudgett asked him II had pccuniary
interest in any business there hr EslOTee nmated ny
wnks and shrucs and innuendOes that he knew great
deal more about that than ne enose 10 tell asked MIN
II anybody elSe had spoken 70 MN on me SUBJECT ana nc
said that Mr.. O. r. MattesOn had stated 10 hun that
when he had applied for some business IN the Custom
house, Mr.. Grnnell said that he had not entire CON
troll Of the business there; that he had to provide
and mentioned my name as an Interested party;
then went and IN the course OF the conversation
gave this general deuia and To show tie ahsurlty Of
these ISLANDERS tod nm IN regard to MT LINDSEY mar
had met him number OF t.m,s that he had not been
self; that knew bat little Of his history; could not
imagine what his motives could be IN utlollug such
ary at inc l. ttcGJ.yS Mansion % was cong 30 upon ms
own responsibility that az to MI Grimm l L.i never
had never spoken 20 him IN regard to busess connected
with the CustoMhou~e, solicited business Tor myself
Madison had acvSr heard Of ether # them but
would take occasion to make some inquiries IN regard To
them; he SAID Well Col Let came 70 NeW-1Ofk win
letter from the Executive Mansion signed 10y the Pres
ident himself, ordering Mr. Grinnel TO give him Geet
tire mistake that had that letter, that 1t was
letter of general Introduction, and did not even ask that
preston of assent to what said ana bv his general
manner he appeared to be entirely satisfied with this
yersation Ii seems very strange that Mr.. Grinnell
BiAby, when there were so many who were more DE,
serving and who GOOD Republicans " tlnk one OF
his objections TO BIXhy was that lie was Democrat;
cen Sochrane expressed himself CrGtied at hearing
this refutatiOu Of the SANDERS related this converse
and Cen Babcock Immediately afterward; MI Mud
ms statements mad shifted MS gruund 80 olteh IN
making his explanations and his statement IL
logical aud bore little of the impress of the truth
iuon face OF it, that the conviction was forced upon
NV mind that his veracty rather OF an evanesCent
order expressed this cOnvic ion to the President and
Gen. BahcOck; on the 2Sth OF this same month"; <all
1s7C went with the President to NewYork and West
Point and the SOth Of April IN New-lOrk-l think
that was SATURDAY. went the Custom mouse ;
another thing that convinced me Of tho entire want of
Veraritv on the part OF Mr. midget his statement
about Mr.. (irnnc; REGARDED Mr.. Grlnheu "a u uulH
fu ans honorable gentleman, and could not believe lie
would he uttering these untruths III regard any
one else took occasion 10 see Mr. GInneu ana area
10 him TINS interview between MIDGET and ny ser !
Mr. CrinucU was very ind gnant and stated that had
spoken 10 him on the subject oi any business con
nected with the Custom house ana that MI inree Ills
deputy. ne regarded a. truthful ana honorable man
aud lac very certain mat he ma a no sq I bt
NJ Tnbree was not Tn the CustOn-hOuse; returned 10
Washington about tine ID Of May; on my hIilNaI re-
ceived this letter from Mr. Grlnncil when WI I"u
permission OF the COMMITTEE anu sunni aS
l0-'''N " -' Crsrox.HorsE. NEv-YoHK, Nav D. 1870
Ny DEAR GEs PORTER vas sC,'i n, , Tbe o On
nv r at ycl u iree ouTsef On the subject Of our coz
versatou SO the uon aud 9sng on as 10 oie be- ~
tresteG contracts counec with the Custom locs e affect NE
pa no .t.u;iou then. So far such 1mor have been brought 10
u attention az aacrg you AMI associates 10 n as neen
ouspoken and earnest ten,lg mem otL P , I @
ea4si s g bas ever mated dsirc to az
iAecui'e NAh"A " - ~ c,o. 1rsI bv sen.
aors Representatives but m az tno or beg, o. Ton 10 Ina
rouye They "e w4iel TO h5,e taat 20, ne @
sn deserving men Re pr alo ,i 5oa.99 am q %
-, oi-- Sa--rr wr'e this tha you ma, feel perfectly u that
~ % ar suggestion la been made ~ could authorize any
one 10 entertaining ra hat ia ny
shape Interested concei IN any nrar u la; en-,
M,n .5, A 5n very ,rdiJ Your ta A. Ii CSsz
Mr.. Embree wrote me a letter dated the I'd Of May,
1870. Al 49,, =. .,.
N1igat referred ~ conversation with yOul A. Yes. Sir
the same q. " EnUree, Deputy Collector. ,.-o
rp nv rt,un TO he Sew-Yors CnOuou-e
% az 0or ,, f m ' had u % ws yoa ace vas
RIA to an interview d had had With Ar B. MIDGET o: Tne1
occasion bad remarks reaectng npon ron regret mat
s unable personally a. made az effort to 90 s. on
YOU would Fng do this i4Ae an early occasion '" say
phatcalv that converaon with MI NJ or @L one @
have mad e Of any language affecting good nor have
ousoay by .hrugs aHgendoe, sought to convey any
1t- know nothing except ,he fact that many mems Nance have
TesTet extremely SHOULD have been mixed up in
any cam ouiy r.eIsts nv dsayova having said augbt
tina shadow Of oboqu "F suspicion upon eu eI SD
'e giy your ,91,i i1eF Pd,,, u '" N-'''--
The question naturally aries what object Mr. Midget
had giving utteTanee to these slanders u was
this DO not think there be any question about II
MIDGET came on in April TO washington ne h1 p Sf
doing the labor business for some years 81 very nlE
nrice: he wanted get a renewal OF hs contract ne
heard a. ne states a Of IN wan edeaVorne to get this
it no doubt occurred 10 his ingenious mind
oce In the presence OF gentlemen that Gen. Porter and
others at the Executive ansion were connected WIZ
had any disposition 10 assist Col Leet IN getting te
business this would deter ths remark Is repeated %
me-
saturday night and by instruHentalty II Is re
mated Ia me ON Saturday morning. 1t Is necessary Oi
r. nnrn0se that should hear this remark ask him fOf
ms authority he gives as his authorities MT nu
saw who comes here and swears that he never ou M.
anythjnr of the kind that he did not believe ~ so Una
authority falls 10 the ground he then names Moses ~
Grnnen; Nj. Grinnell denies 1t III most emPnac n MI
authority; he denies it in an equally posuv'
manner In this letter Of his then he states
MIR Matteson as authority in his letter; find MT MAI
teson has made denial the authorities ali faD 10 tn'
cronnd and leave Mr.. Midget not the repeater or re
tIe OF these ISLANDERS regard me, but their autho
and inventor and when you hear this slander you cal
trace IL hack to Mudgett he did not get TINS busi
ness. IL was given out to others; he went Dacs