New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-01-19

The had nut these theories lie calls them lnio
tkRs 1fr 9d that the people viii
Sir think better OF the Chief ~ Given
him 70 aSont rules and regulations for the reform OF the
Civil Service, he has adopted such iules 10 W."
Mr. TRiTMBiIiI here controyerted Mr.. Carpentet,s
views as 10 the extent and Importance OF the ma
bst the appointing power belonged TO the ExecntHe
and the great evil that members W t insrrned
the power and assumed to dictate an vec
great aim OF Civil Service reform was 20 NJ
1ve his constitutional power OF APPROPRIATENESS Wisconsin
taxing n away Does not the Senator from t
know that although the and in the heads
of Departments vet virtually that power Is nor
by them, but is controlled by Senators an"
Mr.. ICARPENTER-I know nothing about the patron;
ages of Illinois, but 70 that part OF the
WscOn ain of which have any knowledge, answer ths'
do not know tnat to be the TACT -, - :. .ho rr,o
In WISCONSIN bu this report states that this Is the gen
era practice aud the President Endorses thus report anS
sends II to Congress The trouble is not IN Tue Want
scholarship OF our public officers. 1t arises rom Lhe Up
pOintmeuts being controlled ny COngtessule a ihat
troduced bin some time designed to correct ,nae
evil This report is tho work or gentlemen OF lS na
ecter great Industry and aborous research ~nS
tenn and have set them forth, here win great
and force These are INC eols anu sTstem let us
spply some other SYSTEM bat let them eestsy ps So
rected This report comes 70 US Endorsed Dy te ffesi
ar. FRErNGHUysEY Oaep., u called the atte ,s
ton of MT mbu TO the fact that tho President could
not be held responsible for all the statements OF tbe re-
port as 10 his messages transmitting it, he said that he
Congress before the recess and that he had not suf
GENTLY examined the report TO suggest the feqmste
present ADVISED favorable TO civil Service Reform
DID THE PRESIDENT READ THE REpoRri 10. ,,o
Mr.. TRUMBULL-Does the Senator believe that the
Mr.. RELINGHUYsEN-Tie President says he had
IA time % examine the report.
Mr.. TRUMBULL-To examine It for what purposei
To suggest legislative action But does the senator te ro
dent oven by implication sueh Ignorance as 70 senu US
an important report without having read It, OF without
knowing what statements were in III The idea 10 me ID
MI FRELINGHUYsEN-I would not impute to the
Senator from Illinois any purpose TO make the President
appear in any different light before the people than that
Mr.. TRUMBULL-Wel. let us see what the President
does say BE says; al have not had time TO examine
the accompanying report sufficiently to suggest definite
legislative action 10 insure the support which may be
long needed he saws expressly that 1t is policy
long needed" he also that he has not had time
eest definite legislation !" but. of course. be
must have read II, or he could not have SAID
and understood It, and the report comes here in
dorsed To its essential facts so far as they relate 70 he
present mode or appointments by the President hnise,
who has been for nearly three years in position to know
what the present ystens Even the Senator from Wis
consin himself Endorsed the statements OF TINS report
when ne said that Two persons nh d 'e nsed or
fbrestened the President because he would make
certain appointments dictated by them Wish inc pl-
ator had told us wht hey were that threatened the
President for then 6e would have given still more
striking illustration OF the system which Civil Service
CAN TIIE RIrUBLIcAx PARTY EXIST WITHOUT GOVERN
MEST PATRoNAGEf ~ ,
Mr. TRUMBUII. in conclusion, epcakinRo OF the use OF
Government patronage for party purposes said Now
am free 10 say and Will say II here and everywhere
tanned without using the patronage of the government
to hold it together 1t deserves TO 80 dowh 30 Pa1 ue
TO be sustained that cannot snstn ltseH WIo
using the patronage of the Government as spos 10 per
6 GtqS% La s Evils Service that patronage
OF the Government is used for partizn purposes Gn
TAKE Gce Tor n e pmSs s M them there It is an in
reference with the freedom of election; 1t s an inter
20 Se ae rsn that o.
vGss @sd Sl an %ppsase the
sERAN ep onC) explained 1na6 q, me me ShH
Service Reform Commission the adopSon Of an ad.
the propostion Of the Senator from Illinois ir Trum
bulD in reference 70 appointment 10 once DeneEt
civil service reform but believe the abuses OF the
present system grossly exaggerated the expense la
OF our Government less in proportion IMAM hose OF
any in the world The entire cost VI collecting the
M fs; 's d nYf per not the Senator
that it has appeared in official report to Ccpgress hat
in of lcargOcs without paying duty amounts and nave
amounted for many yedrs to from si2OOOo0 10 s3oOoO
HOW TO CORRECT THE NETWORK ABUSES.
| Mr.. sHERMAN-I have examined that alesl ION.
rving at the port of NewYork bringing in expensive
in trunks bur 93t is the Gaig IL al P er1ce G
form. any other plan that mas YET Deeh devised a.
4
flTs1 Of the entire Losses but have said
| only WA o do i'll 10 repeal the custom laws.
Mr.. TRUMBULI-I understood the senator 10 say thal
he had reported DIl that would correct al inc abuses
Mr. sliERMAs said he meant only all the abuses
brought 10 light by the CustOmh0ue investigation III
| NewYork. He then discussed some DIFFICULTIES in The
Ma made NC his mind 10 give il fair trial and 10 vote
! for whatever might be necessary 70 do SO.
Nj MORTON rep Ind ii do not desire 70 discuss al
this time the merits Of this system OF CY Service re-
poses shall have fair trial. The Senator from Ohio Mr
sherman hes ~ part anticipated what rnended to say
intended to challenge statement made on the toor OF
the Senate this afternoon, and believe read from the
report Of this Commssion TO me euect tha1oneIoprt.
ia the collection. desire to challenge that sateIDent
made that statement, bat submit 10 the Senate and the
country that they have been grossly imposed upon, ana
that way no evidence been found or be found
which viii show that per cent have been lost in that
| way under this Administrations
| Mr. EDMuNDs Repg VI called Mr. Mortons ott aSrr
ton to the fact that The Commissioners dd not make
that IL stated, and quoted the statement merely
Of calling attention TO the losses occurring IN
Mr.. NoRToN-I know that--but they mention the
statement II they believed IT, and what want 70 say
is that representations made to Them and embodied by
them in their report to the President Is gross exagger
alton which Onght not 10 be allowed 10 go before the
country without being challenged. II our present sys
results in the loss of Is per cent OF the rev
enues, II is the worst in the world, and this state
ment does such gross injustice 10 the Administra.
ton that think 1T ought to be met on the TIRES.
hold. Threefourths of all that has been said during
the last two years about the abuses of the Civil Service
believe to he the grossest exaggeration, the perest
frOth and suds and while there are great evils 10 our
system that ought 10 be reineded. Ibeeve, have
said here before. that system ia to-day with all it's
fauts the best in the world That system has faus
have always said and for one am determined to sus.
tain the President in this attempt to correct those faults
aud give II fair trial But l stlll repeat 1t, l
believe our system 10 be- with all It's
faults, the best in the world
In conclusion, Mr.. MORTON pointed ont that Mr.
numbus idea Of the best way TO reform the Civil Ser
differed from the plan Of the Civil Service Commits
sinn