The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-31
CHURCH AND STATE IN GERMANY.
The Appointment Of Cardinal Hchenlohe as Ger
man Ambassador to the Holy See and His
Subsequent Rejection by the Pope-Im-
pcrtant Speech Of Prince Bis
marck = His Holiness
Course Defended
BERLIN, May Is, 1872.

Bismarck as German Ambassador to the Pope and
the subsequent rejection OF the nomination by His
Holiness have at length been brought up for discus
sion in the Reichstag. The estimates Of the For
eign ONCE were yesterday under discussion, and,
when the House came to the item for the expenses
OF an ambassador to the Pope, at Rome, a liberal,
Herr Won Bennegsen, proposed a reduction Of the
Embassy to a Consulate. The Pope he said. had so
msulted Germany by rejecting Cardinal HohenlUhe
that Germany was bound to show its resentment
by refusing to appoint another ambassador. There
upon the Chancellor stood up and delivered the fol-
lowing speech
SPEECH OF PRINCE BISMARCK
am glad that a proposal TO abolish this estimate
has not been put forward, for it would have been
unwelcome to the government. The duty of an
embassy consists on the one hand, In the protec-
ton Of their cOuntrymen, and the other hand In
being the means OF Communication for the political
relations on which the Imperial government stands
to the courts at which an ambassador is accredited
Now, there Is no foreign sovereign who, seeing the
nature OF our legislation up to this has been called
upon to exercise within the German empire powers
so extensfve-s0 nearly approaching sovereignty,
and covered by no constitutional responsibility. as
His Holiness the Pope. IL is therefore OF essential
interest TO the German empire what attitude 1t as
Humes to the head OF the Romsh Church. | hardly
believe there is an ambassador I'm the German en-
pire who, seeing what are the predominant feelings
In the Catholic Church at this moment would sue
coed by clever diplomacy, by persuasion, In eXer-
cising an influence which would induce u modlnca-
ton OF
THE ATTITUDE ASSUMED ny HIS HOLINESS
the Pope towards temporal affairs. do not regard
II rs possible, after the dogmas which have lately
been promulgated by the Catholic Church, that II
cOncordat can be arrived at with any temporal
power, unless that temporal power to certain ey-
tent abdicated, which is position the Geman
empire at least cannot accept; for gentlemen,
have no anxiety on this point We will not act the
part OF men hopelessly conquered either in the
State or the Church. No one can avoid the con.
clusiOn that the feelings of the German empire on
the domain OF religious peace are troubled. The
government OF the German empire seek indus
.tT tlnV IN
their Catholic as well Protestant subjects to ar
rive at position more agreeable than tho present
IN manner as peaceable, and as little changefu OF
the present relations ofthe empire AZ possible.
For this, we require above all things that the
BILE with regard TO the institutions OF the German
empires that should be better instructed than has
nrncno peem inc case resara as one OF the
religious question the Incorrect representations,
either unintentionally misinterpreted or mali
ciously falsiied, which have reached His Holiness
the Pope with regard to the state OF things in Ger
many and TO the intentions Of the German govern
ment.
WHY HoHENLoHE WAS APPOINTED
had hoped that the choice OF an Ambassador
who had the confidence of both sides-iirst, in ref
erence to his love of truth and trustworthiness,
and second, In reference to his concilatOry dspo-
sition and positiOnthat the choice OF such an Am
bassadOr as had been made by His Majesty the EN-
peror, In the person OF well known Prince OF the
Church, would have been welcome in Rome; that 1t
would be Interpreted as pledge Of our friendly,
bridge for reconciliation. / had hoped that the
assurance therein would be recognized that we
would not demand from His Holiness the Pope any
thing which could not be expressed and carried out
by q Prince OF the Church. who was connected with
the Pope by the tenderest and most intimate rea-
tons; that the results would be always the same
as those in which one prince OF the Church
meets another; that thus OIL possible col
has excited in Protestant and liberal circles many
approximations, which, in my opinion, rest on an
incorrect estimate Of the position OF an ambassador
or envoy. An ambassador or envoy il after an
but vessel, who first gains his Importance when
filled with the instructions Of his sovereign. That
the vessel should be an agreeable, complete one;
that by Its constitution as used to be said OF the
old crystals, could not take poison, fall into it
without showing It, This is in q high degree desira
INTENTIONS OF THE IMPERIAL GOVERNMENT
have been nullifled from that have not been
laid before me- by curt refusal on the part of
the temporal Curia. i may fairly say that such
case does not often occur 1t is usual, when
ambassador or envoy that he should then ask the
sovereign to Who's the person accredited whether
rarely indeed the case that a negative answer Is
returned, since such an answer would nccessitate
what the Emperor can do with regard to such a
nomination that he has done before he puts the
demand to undo what has been done-a declara-
ton, "Thou hast acted improperly" have been
Foreign Minister for ten years, and for twenty,
do not believe l am wrong in saying
that this is the first and only case in
which such question has been Answered
pressed against ambassadors who had previously
Onlciated for long period; have seen the wish
conidcutialy expressed that such person should
be replaced but then the Court in question had had
several years experience In intercourse with this
person, and had arrived at the conviction tnat this
person not suitable for securing the good rela
tons desired by this Court, and 1t then gave in the
most confidential FORM usually by an autograph
letter from the one sovereign to the other expla-
nations why this was so; and the demand was then
put forward very cautiously but overwhelmingly My
regret at this refusal is extraordinarily lively but
I
the guse OF an offence, for the government owes IL
TO our Catholic fellow subjects that 1t should not
tire In seeking out the ways In which the regulo-
tons of the boundaries between the temporal and
spiritual power, which we absolutely need in the
interest OF peace, may be found In the manner most
conciatory and least offensive on religious grounds
will
NOT, THEREFORE, ALLOW MYSELF TO DE DIsHEART-
ENED
by what has taken place. but will continue to strive
by the side OF His Majesty the Emperor that repre-
sentative Of the empire may be found for Rome
who will enjoy the confidence OF both Powers II not
in equal at least in sufficient degree for discharg-
ing his duties That this task is rendered more diff
fcut In material degree by what has occurred !
can by no means conceal.
WHY CARDINAL HoHENLOHE WAS REJECTED.
Deputy Windthorst the leader OF the Catholic
party, made short speech, in which he succeeded
in showing that the rejection OF Cardinal Hohenl0he
by the Holy See was not wholly without ground.
In the first place, the Cardinal, he maintained, as
such the confidential servant OF the Pope, from
whose treasury he received salary; and he was
thus bound to ask permission from His Holiness be-
fore accepting any appointment "What,u asked
Deputy Windthorst, "would be thought II His Holt
ness appointed the General Adjutant OF the Empe-
ror as his Nuncio? And what Is cardinal but q
general aGjutantg II the Cardinal In question thus
accepted the Office offered to him without asking
his master, he showed a msconception OF his posi-
ton in manner which makes IL doubtful to me
whether he ~ the ut man Tor so delicate ana dlin-
cult an oflce.n
ANOTHER POINT,
which nenuty WiudfhOrst rather suggested than
openly said was that Cardinal Hohcnlohe was not
that peculiar type OF Catholic who was most likely
to obtain the confidence OF the great body OF the
Ca ,holic Church And a. the Cardinal was vic.
lent opponent Of infallibty, and is the brother OF
Prince lIohenlUhe, who Is well known to be bitter
enemy of the Catholic party in Bavaria, the sug
gesti IN OF Deputy Windthorst Is probably not lar
from the truth. The TACT OF the case seems to be
that Prince Bismarck attempted rather clever
dodge on the Holy See and has been defeated.
The proposition of Deputy Won BenniRsen on
being put to vote was rejected by large malorlty
and an ambassador will, accordingly, as hitherto
represent Germany at the Holy Sec
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