The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-12

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aarcr,ng No Senator in the Chamber~f lnvesti-
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WHAT Is THE 'THNG'
case Then the "things was committed to its
friends. II, however, the 'thing" is an intention to
produce an impression upon the country without
1 committed to its friends, and the committee, in
their report discussing this question, say that
that they are not the friends OF any such
| thing" Mr.. President, had not supposed that
do not propose to proong it. / have made this
reply to the formal protest Of the Senator from
Massachusetts, that TIE two things" might 60
upon the record together; and when the debate
proper upon this subject shall come up expect to
be at home.
Mr.. SuMNER-I have no desire to preciptate any
dobate, nor do ] desire to avoid de-
bate. stated that was not in my seat when
this committee was organized Had I been so I
should have been faithless Senator IL with my
convictions, had not solemny protested against It,
lnow seize the earliest opportunity to do what,
through my illness, was unable to do at earlier
time; and am told that
i OFFER AN INSULT
to the committee and to the senate. The commit
the must be very sensitive and the Senate, too, II
they find an insult when read paragraph from
that that EVEN even e. read Il is an = iasa ssf
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again :--"And when any member who is against the
bill hears himself named OF its committee he ought
to ask to be excused" Sir, 1t is no apology that
the Senate did, In their good nature or in pursu-
ance OF some outside arrangement or understand
ing, nominate the two Senator's Those Senators
excused.
Mr.. CARPENTERS, Speaking for myself, may say
Massachusetts mr. Sumner) and myself is that am
viii OF the Senate.
cr,uUpp oN NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS. rAw
Mr.. SUMNER-Ohl The Senator would have done
better had he obeyed the mandate SUPPLEMENTARY
law rather than the dictates know not or what.
but the newspapers said OF an outside arrangement
which in the community is called caucus Now,
that a the rae 20 OF a% wc
have just read shall have some recognition In this
chamber. We have seen 1t set aside habitualy, not
for the first time in the creation Of this committee
but at an earlier time in this session was 1t set
aside insist that it shall be recognized of some
value, and l am not to be answered by being
told that because read chapter of parliamentary
law insult the Senator from Wisconsin. The Sena-
tor must find something else to say in order TO en-
counter that positive mandate. Nor am now seek
ing as the Senator from Maine says to anticipate any
Judgment on the report that he has made. Public
rumOr has already announced the character OF that
report, but desire that the country shall take
notice that there is the parliamentary law, and
that this committee has sat in violation OF 1t. say
that as my solemn judgment, meaning to take the
responsibility OF what say.
NOR AM / TO DE TERRIFIED
by the announcement OF the Senator from Maine CMr.
Hamlin) that hereafter he will meet that question.
Sir, let him meet the law now. 1t is no answer to
say that, after q prOtracted debate during which
these Senators made speeches studousy insulting
to those who brought forward this subject for in
yestigation, they at last recorded their names in
WHY, SIR, THAT IS MooNsHINE.
The practical question is, whether these Senator'S
were not throughout that whole discussion against
what the old cases call the matter-the thing.
Everybody knows they were.
Mr.. MORTON asked Mr.. sumner whether the
"thing" spoken Of in the rule was not in this
the investigation, and whether the rule was not
complied with when the committee was composed
Mr.. SUMNER said that the investigation was the
''thing,n and that Messrs. Carpenter and Hamlin
had opposed it, and, further, that Mr.. Carpenter had
ATTEMPTED TO JUSTIFY THE ARMS SALES
by announcing q new doctrine of international law,
which in effect, pledged him in advance not to give
Judgment against the War Departments doctrine
SO strange and impossible that the mere annuncia-
ton Of it was to be regretted for the sake OF the
national character.
summer MR. LoG ep1 the Of habit said tsst MT
dents but he .(Mr. Logan) thought the Sen
own conduct in this s. instance in attacking the re-
port OF committee of investigation before
it had been be- the ad s,s ,,se
that Mr.. Sumner had insulted not only the Sena
tors he had mentioned, but also all the other men,
bers of the committee who had signed the majority
report.
Mr.. SUMNER disclaimed any intention Of reflect
ing on the Senator from Illinois lMr. Logan)
Mr.. LOGAN insisted that Mr. Summers remarks
warranted the inference he had drawn and said he
supposed the object of the Senator from Massachu
setts was to f0restall the report OF the committee
II that was not the object he
WOULD BEG THE SENATOR'S PARDON.
Mr.. SuMNER-Wel, think the Senator ought to.
Mr.. LoGAN--Well, then, do. But If that is not
the object, what Is itY
Mr.. SuMNER-The object Is this. want to make
1t impossible for such committee as that ever
again to be appointed In this chamber. Iwant to
set up again this old rule of parliamentary
i
minorties, and. according to the language
quoted by Jefferson, to keep protection against
the wantonness OF majorities. That Is my object.
After further discussion the resolution
offered by Mr.. HaTlin for the printing OF large
number Of copies Of the committees report
referred to the Committee on Printing, and the
bill.
THE ACT OF MAY 81, 1870.
Mr.. CASSERLy offered an amendment providing
that the words ''any person. In section 40 OF the
act OF May 81, 1870, shall be held to include any
officer any person having powers or duties of an
official character under that act or the one pending
Agreed to.
USE OF FEDERAL TROOPS AT ELECTIONS
Mr.. CAsSERLY offered an amendment prohibiting
the presence or use Of troops at any election unless
| when they necessary to repel armed enemies Of
the United States or to maintain the peace at the
! polls when 1t cannot otherwise be maintained
| Mr.. MORTON said he hoped the amendment would
| be rejected.
| Mr.. CAssERLY said he had been prompted to offer
the amendment by recent occurrences in an cleo
| ton at the Navy Yard on Mare Island occurrences
| which, If they were as reported, ought to bring
blush 10 the cheek OF every man who had the least
/ regard for free institutions.
| Mr.. COLE said he did not know what the occur
rences to which his colleague referred. He
| had heard complaints from any quarter about
the manner OF conducting the election there.
| Mr.. CAssERLY rose to advocate his amendment,
but yielded to motion to adjourn.
The Senate agreed that the vote on the bill and
| the pending amendments should be taken at an
early hour on Monday, and then adjourned.