The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-07-28

chat tho passage cited BY me appears in
attention to the fact that, while Lord Granville de-
MES what was not asserted, these passages do
whatever may be the impression casually produced
by his language What ! asserted is that the
passages do appear in Professor Demands work.
refer to pages 400 and 4oSwhere they will be found.
Referring 20 former despatch OF mine, Lord Gran
Vile thinks that 1t Ia apparent that the vast ma
Dther causes than the acts committed by the Confed
crate cruisers; and among other extracts rom
s ass n he quotes me as atte%S
now to measure the relative enect OF the various
causes OF injury, as whether by untimeiy recogni,
ton OF belgerency by suffering the hitting out OF
rebel cruisers, or by the supply OF ships. arms and
munitions OF war to the Coniederates or otherwise
view or Mr. Adams with Lord Russell IN March,
1852 the statement by the latter that the ior"er
THE CONFEDERATE LOAN
a. additional proof Of what Mr.. Adams mad alleged
to exist has been the subject FOR Which he
sought the interview to discuss out OF OF
which neither he nor LORD Knsse ~ MADE any men
nature that, because some additional causes or COM
paint other than those put forward before the
at Geneva, have been advanced IN some CORE
spondence on the part OF this government,
mead Of Alabama claims. Lord Granville says,
-'Mr. Fish gives as reason for no claims Tor
that Lord Russell objected in July, 1858, to any
claims being put forward A reference to my
.deSpatCh TO OF the 10Th OF April last SHOWS
me rs giving a different reason. said:-'.During
the war these claims were continually arising and
increasing, and conid not then DO defined, and the
time for formulating them would not arise until
Willingness TO enter upon their consideration
arose.h Lord Russells objections were mentioned,
1t Is true. IN addition TO the reason above quoted;
but, although additional, they are not therefore
exclusive. The communications which the British
High commissioners may have made to their gov
brnment, either pending the negotiations or since,
ran scarcely be urged with seriousness upon this
government for acceptance in the construction of
saying recently, THAT we (the British Commits
soners were distinctly responsible for having
represented to the government that
THEY UNDERSTOOD PROMISE TO BE GIVEN
chat these claims were not to be put forward and
not say by whom on what occasion or in what
manner such promise was made He involves az
government that such promise had been made.
But this seeking outside of the treaty and OF the
Terms has had the effect which the honorable
Baronet rho made the declaration anticipated to
raise-''H personal queSttOn'-and cannot allow
this reference made by Lord Granville to be the in
formation furnished to Her Majesty's government
by Her High Commissioners, to pass without al.
.iudtng to the representation which Sir Stafford
NOrthcOte, one OF those Commissioners, says that
the Commissioners are responsible for having made
to their government In Justice to myself and my
colleagues on the American side OF the Commits
sion must take this occasion, the first that has
presented itself since have seen the speech Of Sir
stafford NOrthcote to say that no such promise
he states, that the British commissioners repre-
scented to their government as having been under
stood by them 30 be made by the American Com
missOners, was in fact ever made. The Official COM
munications between the American and the British
Commissioners. as you are aware, were all made by
or to me, as the first named of the American Com
.missfOnors. aevcr made and
NEVER HEARD OF ANY SUCH PROMISE,
or OF anything resembling promise, on the subject
referred to-. None was ever made by me, formally
entire confidence in making the assertion that
none Of my colleagues ever made any promise, or
any TO or Wsnt TO
Understanding OF Sir Stafford Northcote or OF his
colleagues cannot undertake to say; but that the
American Commissioners gave him or them any
grounds to understand that such promise was
given as he says they represented to their govern
ment as having been made, am bound most re-
specially but most emphatically to deny. cannot
conceive from what he has imagined as the only
the indirect claims" was that made on the part
Of the American commissioners on the Sth day OF
March, and is set forth in the thirty-sixth pro-
ftOcOl In the words In which 1t was made.
The British government has in the correspondence
which has recently taken place endeavored to
construe the withholding or an estimate OF those
indirect claims. in connection with proposition
behalf Of this government, which was declined by
the British Commissioners, into their waiver, have
already discussed that question, and shall not here
again enter upon Its refutation.
THE PROTOCOLS AND THE STATEMENT
approved 10y the Joint Commission furnish the SUBJ
stantial part OF what passed on that occasion.
am at q loss TO conceive what representation out
tOcol Sir Stafford Northcote have made to his
government. de refers to some personal ques-
OF his address, he and his Colleagues had Sees
Inder official restraint from discussing; but the
protocols and the statement to which have referred
had been before the public both In Great Britain
and In the United States for nearly year before
his declaration. Ii Is only within day or two that
the journals containing his address have reached
me- have this day addressed letter to yourself,
and to each OF our colleagues on the Commission.
calling attention
To SIR srAFFoRD's STATEMENT
and In due time may make public the correspond
ence. Returning to Lord Granvilles despatch, In
the supplement- to the London Gazette, l find
little else that has not already been dis
cusscd or that requires further reply. 1t may,
ttal nature OF claims does not appear to have been
serious objection TO the presentation OF such claims
on the part OE the British government against the
United States Lord Granville, in the despatch in
the supplement-, recalls the fact that the British
Commissioners
REPEATEDLY PIT FORWARD THE FENIAN RAID
CLAIMS
but not until the Sd Of May, after the American
Commissioners had declined to treat on them, did
the British Commissioners admit that n portion
of the claims OF q constructive and
fnferenttaI character, having thus persistenty
for nearly two months kept before the Commits
siOners those constructive claims. 1t is not neces
sary, now, to consider the relation and admissbiity
of constructive" and Of indirect claims' rs the
ground for pecuniary compensation against a
government under the principles OF international
scented by the British government TO the claims
Commission sitting in this city for the Confederate
cotton loan. While questioning the accuracy of my
statement that sthe United States calmly submitted
to the Commits the decision OF its jurisdiction"
he proceeds t0 establish its accuracy by stating the
motion made by the counsel OF this government 10
dismiss the claim. lf the British government will
follow this example, and move the tribunal at Ge-
neva to dis iAiss the claims which 1t thinks are
not included in the submission OF the treaty, the
principle Of the peaceful arbitration OF grave diff
ferences between nations may be established.
'''' '"' jun '''O'N Nv 90 w HAMILTON FISH.