Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1872-10-30
THELLOYD CASE.
Reported for the Alexandria Gazette

sixth day OF Mrs. Lloyd trial. Inc court met
at 10 a. M, Judge Keith on the Bench, and
the trial was at once proceeded with:
Matthew Ball recalled Gen. Hunton cx-
amining-Have lived in DR.. Motifs store for
eight months; went there the 9th day of De-
cember; did not have the care of the drugs all
the time, Mr.. Pursel and Mr.. Metzger had
charge of them part of the timei persons could
not tamper with the drugs whilst l was in
there; would not, of course, have allowed any
stranger to take out jar of medicine if | had
seen them. ~
MIR. Harrison .examining-Mr. Pursel and
I were all that were employed in the store;
there we're periods when DR.. Mott and | were
both absent: have left the store with some one
when DR.. Mott was not there.
DR.. Ezey recalled got bismuth from DR..
Mott; made five separate examinations OF 1t
and found arsenic 10 it each time; have result
of the last one here now; (here saucer with
spots in it were produced and shown to the
iury;) the first analysis | made was in DR..
Mott's store, or rather in up stairs over the
store; it was shortly after this was agitated;
it was about April Court; the spots just such
as are contained in saucer were gotten from
Marsh's apparatus; the next analysis was made
at INV father-in-law S house IN Mrryland; have
made three since this Court convened, one at
MIR. Harrison's house, and the other two in
DR. Wilson S room at the hotel; it is arsenic IN
metallic form; it is the same as that shown you
by Prof. Tonry the other day. DIR. Marshs APP
paratus consider is the best; this is arsenic
beyond doubt; there is no subject which could
produce anything like this except antimony,
which does not appear in chrystalne form; the
spots were easily volatilized; the fact that it
could be voatilized easily was proof that there
was no antmony arsenlous acid has no smell
when burnt; the metallic form has a smell; l
opened stove in DR.. Motifs store and left the
door open and threw teaspooniu in aud it
gave no oder at all.
Cross examined by Mr. Orr-These spots
are the result Of the last three analysis; have
not the results Of the other analyses; | found no
chrvstals here; found some in my analyses in
MARYLAND: did not establish the form of the
chrystals: | produced chrystaliue substance
| 10 MARYLAND as stated few minutes ago: sup
posed it was autimoDy instead Of arsenic; in
order to determine which it was | used my lens
and found no chrystals; the entire quantity Of
bismu,h used in Maryland was between fifteen
| and twenty five grains; arsenic Is used IN wall
paper; don know whether it is used in wrap
ping paper or not the first analysis made in
| DR.. Motifs store; was made with acid and zinc
which cot in this town, and tested them be-
fore using; | believed them to be free from ar
senic at the time used them; no arsenic was
| in my room ut the time made analysis; there
was paper on the wall of the room in which |
| slept don t know what per Ct OF arsenic | got
out of bismuth; don pretend to suggest; all
| say is that there was arsenic present; | made
analysis with Marsh apparatus in a bottle
got from Dr. Wilson; did not wash and dry
the gas which passed through the apparatus; |
cot bismuth from Dr. Mott himself; used
about thirty grains; don't pretend to say how
much arsenic was in the bismuth; could have
tested materials which used separately by put
ting them in apparatus; my apparatus was very
much out of ORDER anthony would give spots
but they would not be the same kind as those
on that saucer; these spots cannot be mistaken
for those produced by antlmony; the stove
which put arsenic in was an open coal stove; il
it had been put in wood stove, and the arsenic
| had come in contact with charcoal an odor might
have been given off; never made an examiua-
| ton of human body for arsenic no expert
ment was mades to produce spots with chloride
of lime; never made any experiments except
those which have detailed anthony and ar
senic are the only substances which will pro-
duce spots like those on the porcelain plate;
have no ocuur evidence here Of poison except
those spots which are on the saucer; upon
that hypothetical case put to me by Mr.. Har-
rison Yesterday, | stated that attributed it to
gastro-intestinal irritation; bsmuth is given for
different things; sometimes it is prescribed for
chronic diarrhea and other things; it creates a
metallic taste in the mouth; bismuth is medi-
cine that | don't like to use because it cannot
be adulterated without special test; | know of
cases where two grains have been known to
distroy a person; | would not prescribe the bis
muth out of DR.. Motifs bottle to any one.
Mr.. Orr then put the following question -
In case involving life or death, before making
analysis would you or not test your chemicals
before using? Yes sir, | would; | would not
test them separately, but would most undoubt-
edly test them together.
4 hypothetical case was here put by Mr..
Orr-Ifa child three years old is taken sud
denly sick with vomiting and purging, and re.
mains so for As hours with occasional intermis-
sion, and at the end of the IS hours dies, and
upon post mortem examination $1,000 of a
grain of arsenic is found, what in your opinion
would be the cause Of its death; would it OF
would it not be from the arsenic? I decline
saying sir t..
DIR. Taylor was recaled-Gen. Hunton ex.
amining-Wer you present at any OF the ana,
lyses made by DR.. Ellzey? | brought no appa-
ratus with me; was present at two analysis; a
portion of one of which was presented here
this morning; saw the materials tested; the
operation is very simple; fame of SCOT and
arsenic will produce an arsenic spot. LIZ this the
result of your experiment; what are those
spots? Metallic arsenic; when we applied the
bismuth the spots became very tumultuous;
others could have been obtained. Is there any
doubt upon your mind that they are arsenical
spots? None. Is there any other substance
that would produce the same results? There
is not. Did you make further teste? We
did not; this was satisfactory; there is no date
by which I can approximate the amount;
the result depends on the amount of fluid
which you have in the apparatus; in the bis
muth which I used | should imagine there
was not hundred per cent of arsenic; could
not tell what the per cent was; we did not col
lect all, nor as much as we could have gotten;
I would not take or give that bismuth; this bis
muth is certainly contaminated with arsenic;
we manipulated IN one case with hypochloride
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