The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1872-07-17

in the Appropriation Bill would not be expended, but
notwithstanding it was necessary to make appro-
priation for the interest in case the money had to be
borrowed.
Mr.. Carter said if the Assembly passed the pro-
posed Loan Act, and the twas matter of very little
doubt the Ministerial side, we must of course pay
the interest and so long as we continue to spend
money largely in Of receipts must stand
the shot, and all the consolation offer is latter
the food" If the Ministers want S74, 600, they
will have it.
Mr.. A. F. Judd said he found himself completely
''Obfuscated' He thought the Minister of Finance
should show the figures, he made the interest
the debt over SOO OOO and he did not want to vote
I for $4,000 as he thought it only guess work.
] Mr.. Carter said the point plain that if
not in debt now, we would be in two years, and have
a debt of over slOOOOO which the House might figure
interest its session. He confessed the other
day he had but little confidence in the Minister of Fl
nance, and by the remarks made by that Minister
this morning, what little confidence he had was not
strengthened.
Item passed at $4,000.
The Budget, as passed, footed up 81, ,9l4.
Sections and read and passed. Section read,
and, motion of Mr.. A. F. Judd, amended. Section
5 read.
Mr.. Carter moved to amend the Section by allowing
the Ministers to do they pleased with the appro-
priations.
Mr.. Kupakee was in favor of striking out the See
ton, by it he thought many of the outer districts
done out of improvements which were voted
them by the Legislature.
NJ Martin erd,rsad +he &c 4ba
speaker.
His Ex. the Minister Of Finance explained to the
House the system of transfers if they did not wish
continue it, he satisfied as it removed great
responsibility from the shoulders of the Ministry.
Mr.. Hitchcock did think the Section ought to
be repealed; still he opposed to transfers as he
thought it gave the Ministry all control over the pnJ-
lie money.
Mr.. Carter thought the remarks of Mr.. Kupakee of
force, but he did not think the House ought to
bring that matter up as we were going along smoothly
now, and it wise to disturb the machinery Of
the Government. He cited some difficulties that had
existed in Sydney and France, regarding the transfer
system, and at Sydney one Ministry went out and
another went into Office but he did not think any
such thing would occur here. He had found that in
this House matters Of expediency overrode matters of
principle aud if the Ministry wanted transfer sys-
ten, it would pass.
Hon. Mr. Bishop was not in favor of reckless trans
fers, but favored the transfers here authorized, as
they of so small nature, and as the House met
but in two years they mad allow the Ministry
some discretion in the matter.
Mr.. Mikalemi in favor of striking out the Sec
tion altogether.
Mr.. Nawahi was opposed to the transfer system,
and hoped it would be done away with
Mr. Kaai spoke in favor of the Section as in his
opinion the system Of transfers was necessity in car
rying on a Government like ours.
On motion Section passed. Sections and read
and passed. Title read and passed.
On Committee rising the Chairman reported pro-
gress, and recommended the passage the Appropri
alton Bill as amended. Report accepted.
Mr.. c. H-Judd moved that the Bill pass to engross-
ment.
His Ex. c. c. Harris moved to place the item, Sal
ary Of His Majestys Chamberlain, at $4,000 in place
Of $4,000. Amendment passed.
Mr.. Naihe moved to amend Roads and Bridges at
Kohala to S2OOO-carried.
Mr.. 4. Z. Judd moved to strike out item, Market
house at Lahana, S3OOO-lost.
Mr.. c. II. Judd moved to amend Support of Mill
tary to $40 500.
After some discussion the item passed at S79,jOO,
by vote Of is to II.
Mr.. Kuhelani moved to amend item Salary Gov
crncss of Hawaii to 5000. Motion lost
Mr.. Kaai moved to amend item Roads and Bridges
at North Kona to $1,000. Motion lost.
Mr.. A. F. Judd moved to amend item Salary Clerk
of Supreme Court to $4,000.
Mr.. Carter said that wheS the item was considered
in Committee he had asked the Minister of Finance if
any requisiton had been made to have the salary of
this officer increased, and was distinctly answered
No but he now had evidence that requisition had
been made
His Elk. the Minister of Finance replied that he
thought the member from Honolulu must have been
mistaken, as he bad no recollection Of it.
Mr. Carter replied that there was no misundcr-
standing at all. The answer distinctly " No.
and there were others in the House who heard it.
Motion to pass Salary Second Clerk of Supreme
Court at $4,000, lost.
His Ex. c. C. Harris stated that his reason for vot
ing against the proposed increase was merely abide
by the Appropriation Bill.
Mr.. Kaukaha moved to amend item for Scow at
Hanalei and Bridge across Hanaei River to $1,000
carried.
Mr.. Kipi moved to amend item Roads and Bridges |
on Hawaii to SSOO0-carriei.
Assembly adjourned.
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