New-York tribune., 1872-05-25

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been rather more than he could endure comior'aDy'
con hack in his seat The Tories assented, but WITH
o,. enthusiasm. Indeed there had been hardly
sod from, their side of the House during the whoie
oiug If the Treaty is saved after all, II Is JuS'
nossibIe that it may save the Government Also
PoSS'oio ''"' G.w.s.
DEBATE IN THE BRITISH HOUSE VI LONDs,
STATEMENT BY EARL GRANvILLE-sPEETo"A'
EARL RUSSELL AND EARL DERBi. ,
T., .bo Rr;tisb House of Lords, on the l5th
=, Mo. the treaty Of Washington was brought up ioi
discussion by a statement from Earl 0ran'Iio' -,
Rotary OF state for Foreign Affairs ne iie' , -
marks by observing that. with reEauu " - =. AZ,
although he regretted the omission "nio n"u loN
present difficulty yet ne tn0uSn' S ,"ovsS g carried
with Il healing in the past goCu iQr nc b Pf,fure
ana advanlaseS Ie co ntinued cat the introduction
- wa claims and was greatly annoyed at the
chapter relating and "a ont Of harmony with tfa statesman
lie and conciliaory feeling which then belieyed[ana
ana the Commissioners OF America in the nego-
tiaiion and in the conclusion OF the Treaty Having
consnIted with Sir ROunde Palmer, the counsel Tor er
Maesty's Government, who agreed with me that tne
American claims ransgressed the limits OF me Ieig %
cnce on the 18th OF January at the first meeting OF n
Cabinet brought the subject before them IQr tio St
debeaton Al that meeting we We're % o, bn Dares rect
claims TO arbitration and we have never sWerVea % o
that we onr nostion with regard to it, Cheers
S The 9Sth nv noble ana learned friend, my right hon
ppdm Palmer 10 consider the best way OF preventing
iegtmate matter from being brought before the uloe-
nal AT Geneva on the 3Oh the matter was virtually set
tied and on the ID of February decision was taken,
and the terms Of the note TaGh aHd opnr"yed can
only repeat what said on the first dSy 0I unG IN s1s @
SION although you may tSe t thing was to he done over
again notwithstanding all the adverse criticism Whlc9
ms been passed upon it, should deeply regret II we hao
tarcn action in the case earlier than did. believe
that both in substance and appearances notnIS ne
20 much I've deprecated as appearing 10 act uhu9I @ @
impuse Of temper or pique. instead OF after f ana
very careful deberaton lCheers.l NY !orGs, e tne
conrteons i'm terms-courteous toward the American
Government and it also expressed srSns rSsf b
% frpm bich do not shrnk-that of friendly com
words which we advised Her Majesty 10 nse ~ td eL
speech the Throne, with regard TO our S
ing Of the scope of the Treaty with reference TO these
indirect claims As far as rememoer snS b ONLY Sd n
between them was that ihstSaa OF 9 ,e WI wVu %
derstanding used the word hold That hOte was
courteousy acknowledged by Gen schencR, and in due
course he communicated TO me dispStcn ron NJ MA % S
in reply That dispatch objected TO the position hed o
us and adhcrng to the position which the Government
of the United states had taken up it maintained that
the indirect claims were matter to before me aroi-
adhered TO the position had at first taken, and gave
reasons Of no nordnate length for the views they had
My lords, to that letter Her Maiestys Government
thought necessary 10 mase & Of {e Tinted
states should be put in possession of the reasons winch
had induced us to to the determination at which
we had arrived. Accordingly my dispatch was long
one an excessively long hope will not tax your
lordshps patience TO read 1t; but 1t would be mposbe
in statement like this for me TO give you an accurate
and detailed account OF the arguments we bro9gh,
forward think will be sufficient for me 10 say that
in that dispatch your lordshps VIII hnd a IuInIi III
n me s Of the nt o Ge Session " None of your
lordsps doubt that had always been our intention
Of the Treaty We stated in the dispatch that not only
had such been Intention but we had some ero9nds M
for suppOs that the had been the intention OF the
United states, and stated further-that when mas
been very much dOubtedour opinion that when the case
argued II would be FOUND tlat tDe treaty
soutey excludes these claims think the next sep IN
the proceedings the presentation OF the couhteSae
without prejudice in the manner TO which have alluded
is included IN the papers ALREADY ad OeIote
the House. Next came the dispatch Of Mr. Fish TO Gen
schenCk have already apprsed the house OF lts chai
acter In 1t the G0veIhm@ent @ 1 pa dne S'eu II S'S % sun ON
portion OF the arguments we had advanced,
but the Case exactly whereit was am not sorry
for this correspondence, because, when you read the
both sides your lordshps will be the better able
come conclusion; but II left the Case
exactly where 1t and showed an ireeonciable differ
ne9 sDv C GSP rbsr be nesoaoDs NV lords will
10 little back am sure your lOrdsips do not think
Cen schenCS and held aoo from each other and were
not in frequent communication. We were in constant
communication endea7oring TO find solution honorable
and satisfactory 10 both countries. And here i fee
bound TO bear testimony TO the American Minister that
although he always stTenuousy supported the views o.
his Government he was bound to do he has through
these negotiations evinced an earnest and sincere
desire 10 maintain he ITeay ana pfeNenI any i @
ance of the most friendly relations between the tW'
My lords, regards these communications, they came
10 nothing made some suggestions to the American
character and were not likely TO be acceptable 70
the American Government He made me large number
Of suggestions the mode OF settliug the difficulty
Some of these were obviously OF character perfectly
unacceptable 10 Her Majestys Government There were
others which, at all events deserved the careful consid
Grafton OF the Government Although all examina-
to say as schenck with regard to some Of those
which most obviously unacceptable they generally
followed some suggestions which had been made
this country as TO the mode Of settling these difficult
ties For instance sooner had II been suggested that
we might settle the matter py t5lnlng pay ymelit OF
t5OOOO or s6Oo0O or something OF mat KIND than the
very next day Gen. Schenck came 10 sound me as 10
without giving assurance informed your lordships
that Her Maesty's Government had ground for hopes
as to satisfactory settlement of the misundersIand-
ing. The statement TO your l0rdshps arose from q
communication made to me, 1 think, the 28th
OF April, in the first place cOnddentally, aud
aferward officially, by the American Minis
have been accomplished by the Government, but it
proposal which did appear 10 afford basis OF some
that the could be carried out by inter-
change OF notes. Acting on that, We proposed note
stating our the possible limits within which
settlement could be carried out. That revised and
altered, wishing nothing but TO keep meaning
perfectly clear while at the same time desiring TO pro
pose nothing which the United states might find 1t diff
cult 10 adopt. When We had finally settled that note
think 1t was on the sth Of May-I got communi-
cation from Gen. Sehenck in which he informed
that he had received telegram from Mr. Fish stating
that although the President thought II possibly
within his constitutional powers to agree the we
had sketched out yet he thought note went beyond
what, in his individual capacity, he could accept He
thought it preferable 10 frame addonable Article to
the Treaty which might effect the object had in view
and which he might submit TO the Senate Tor their sane
ton We found difficulty in acceding TO the propo-
stiOn to note the suggestion Of Others but
been perfectly ridiculous and that if we were able TO
accomplish object ought TO do so. The difficulty
was great and IL took considerable time. We thought
it better that should clearly and at Onoe show
that which willing 10 consent and the limits
Of consent That draft article sent by TO
GEN schenck and was by him transmitted TO Mr. Fish,
with the declaration that If the United states Govern
meDt were prepared TO adopt such article,
parts ready to accept it, / Informed, yester-