The Tiffin tribune. (Tiffin, Ohio) 1868-1887, 1872-07-25

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ally announcing himself, stepped IN
and inquired for Mr.. Greeley, and was
told that he was not in. Being deter
mined to have an interview he stood
around awhile and peeped into
door, where his reason led him 70 be
lieye Mr.. Greeley was, and finally
caught sight of him. He then step
ped into Mr.. Greeley's room, intro
duced himself, and was cordially
welcomed. The interview lasted be-
tween four or five hours.
AfidaTits.
We present below two affidayits Of
gentlemen whose very important
knowledge Of the letters, etc, seemed
t1 Justify, and, in the public interest,
| to demand, formal verified state
ments. Charles S. Carpenter is q
Young man Of unusual ability apd
probity: was reared in Unadilia; Is
respected by all who know him, and
ne is widely known. As the editor
! Of the OneOnta Herald, one Of the best
and most trustworthy weekly jOurn-
I ais OF the State, he is highly esteem-
ed. With his own readers no ceTtiii-
cation could be stronger than his own
word. A part Of his information was
/ of an earlier stage Of the conspiracy
/ than that Of other witnesses; IL did
not include the Seymour branch OF
| the conspiracy. The position of Mr..
Greeley concerning the rebel soldiers
/ he stated some time ago in his jOurn-
al. AS a part of the great scheme
which has now developed, the facts
of Mr.. Carpenters affidavit are Of
stupendous interest.
! DR.. Ireland, who makes the other
affidavit, is a citizen of high charac-
ter; enjoys the esteem Of everybody,
and by the ciearness and very essen
| tial importance of his affidavit con-
/ tributes much TO the completeness Of
the case. He, with Mr.. Carpenter,
was averse to personal prominence in
/ the matter, but q sense of duty ad-
mitted of no other course th9n that
they have pursued. They are entit-
led to the grateful regard of all fair
minded men.
| AFFIDAVIT OF Mr.. CARPENTER.
OSEoNTA, July L, IS72.
c. S. Carpenter, being sworn, de.
poses, and says that he is a resident
Of Oneonta, OtsegO County, in the
State of New York, and that he is
well acquainted with Lewis Carmi-
chel, of Unadilla, in said county;
that Carmichael has for macy years
been a Democrat, interested in coun-
/ ty, State, and national conventions,
which he frequently attended; and
that he has for about q year past been
engaged in seeking a Democratic
candidate for the presidency; that
Carmichael was last fall in cOrresp0n-
dence with Horace Greeley and HOr-
alto Seymour on the question of max
ing new issues, ane of which was the
payment of pensions to disabled rebel
soldiers, as well as to Union soldiers;
and that deponent saw letters from
said Greeley and from Seymour on
that question; that one of Greeley's
letters, which deponent recognized
by what he knows Of Greeiey's hand
writing, and by the Tribune heading
this letter being an answer to a letter
of Carmichael asking his views to the
Confederate pension question: eX-
pressed the UielUs of Mr.. Greeley as
favorable TO the passage Of q tar pro-
Uidin9 that the general gOUer1Hle7lt
1ldU pensions to Southern disabled
soldiers; although he (Greeley) doubt
ed whether Congress would pass such
a bill. That deponent read the letter
carefully, and this was its true ex-
preston and meaning; and it Yves
freeley discussed between Carmichael
and deponent. That this letter was,
according to deponent's best recollec-
ton, dated in August or early in Sep
tember, 1871. Deponent saw letter
from Horatio Seymour on the same
subject, at about the same time. Mr..
Seymour expressed himself in OppOsi-
ton to making the pension question
an issue then.
That deponent also saw another
letter of Horace Greeley addressed to
Carmichael, in which Greeley invited
Carmichael to call on him in New
York, to talk over political issues that
; had been broached between them;
and a separate part of that letter
which depOnent did not have oppOr.
tunity of reading carefully, expressed
as deponent casually noticed, and
was distinctly informed by Carmi.
chRl, the possibility that Greeley
would accept the nomination fol
President, if the nomination were
q rendered him in 1872. That Carmi
chaeI was absent from Otsego shortly
afterward, and received from Greeley
: as Carmichael distinctly and emphat
: ically stated to him, Mr.. Greeley''
= positive consent to be the Democratic
: candidate for President in 1872, if tn,
nomination were given him. Til,
! date of this letter was in October, 1871
That Carmichael endeavOred TO in
T duce deponent to consent to advocat,
paying pensions to Southern soldiers
, as a measure of conciliation between
. the North and South, and to supper
Mr.. Greeley for the presidency.
That it was fully understood be
tween deponent and Carmichael tina
Greeley was to be pressed for Demo.
! cratic nomination. That deponen
l regarded Carmichael as a candid man
who treated these subjects with the ut
2 most seriousness, and that deponent i;
l fully convinced thathis correspondent,
and interviews, and their meaning
! and results, were described by hin
honestly and faithfully.
G. S. CARPENTER.
Sworn before me this 18th day o
July, 1872.
AFFIDAVIT OF DE. IRELAND.
Louis e. Ireland, of Unadilla, Otse
90 county, New York, being sworn
saws that Lewis Carmichael, also o.
UnadilIa, whom he has known fol
six years, has frequently been in de-
pOnent's Office in Unadilla and has
shown depOnent letters from Horace
Greeley, of New York, five or six il
number; and one letter of HOratiC
Seymour; that depOnent did not read
lily read Greeley's letters, except the
heading and signature-Carmich9
being addressed rs "Friend Carmich.
aeln in one or more Of them-which
letters deponent held in his hand
Their contents related to matters un-
derstoOd between Carmichael and
Greeley, some of the letters passing
on as though connected with previous
business; and one of the letters invi-
ted Carmichael to go to Cincinnati.
These letters were shown to deponent
in the last Of March, or first Of April,
1872. Carmichael then said to depO-
nent that Greeley would be nOmina-
ted at Cincinnati, and the Democrats
would adopt him; that the only point
there was, that Greeley should get the
Cincinnati nomination. DepOnent
perused Horatio Seymour's letter,
which he read EARLY, and recognized
the handwriting, according to his
previous knowledge of it, as Sey-
mour's. The subjects of that letter
were as follows: 1t mentioned an in
terview of Carmichael and Greeley;
saying he(Seymour) was more favor
ably impressed with the turn of mat
ters, with which he seemed satisfied;
mentioned the tariff question, and
said the best way was to leave the is
sue a vague one, as Carmichael had
proposed, so as to unite persons of
different views in the coalition move
ment; suggested that if Greeley favor
ed this, it would smooth the way to
the end. Deponent's strong impress
sion is, that Greeley's candidacy was
mentioned; but of that he does not
say positively. The time when this
letter was read by depOnent was about
/ the last of March or the 1st OF April,
1872.
The subject had previously been
brought to deponent's attention by
Carmichael; but when the letters
were shown, particularly Greeley's
| letters, deponent thought the matter
almost too absurd for notice; but af-
ter the Cincinnati nomination he Un-
da-stooI thar ;,,vorfanoa and on