Worcester daily spy. [volume] (Worcester [Mass.]) 1850-1888, 1872-04-20

and ! am at liberty to say-and will say-that
whether am at liberty or not
Mr. Butlcr-l call the gentleman to order. The
ntterances Ofthe president, except when ErOugh:
here Ia form BIZ message to this house are not
TO be stated to influence a question of lcgisla-
ton,
Mr. Cox-They do not influence us very much.
(Iaughtcrl
Nh Butler-The gentleman SAYS that he called
upon the president and that he was at liberty to
saw
Mr. Garield-The rules of the Middesex bar
do not apply here's this is not a criminal court.
Mr. Butlcr-NO sir, because there is some de-
corum and prOpriety in criminal courts Laugh
teri
MIR. Garfield was in hopes there would be
some here but / see there is not. (Laughter)
desire to say TO the house that have had no
impression made on my mind from any tonTer-
satiOn with any man more strong or more clear
than this That in all this matter Of civil SER
vice reform, the president is not only sincere,
hut he IS sin Garnet, Every message he has sent
us makes me more certain that il is so, and ali
that have ever heard him say detracts me no
whit from that conviction.
The speaker-The chair regard it as an indie
r0rum to feer In any mariner to Il conversation
with the president of the United States. 1t Is
clearly against the spirit OF the rule and against
the independence of the house.
Mr.. Butler, to Garfeld-Now don't YOU wish
this was criminal court SO as to avoid thar rule.
daughter
Mr.. Garfield call the speakers attention
to the fact that have only stated my impress
sion.
The speaker-The wording of it in that way
does not relieve it from the objection or escape
the parliamentary point.
Mr.. Garfield have only to save that if any
thing have said trenches on the line of pro-
priety and parliamentary debate, it Is because
the assumption was made here in a manner
utterly unparalleled in the experience | have
had here, in the form of an inSinuation that
those who defend civil service reform are all.
tagOnists of the executive.
Mr.. Butler-l did not say that. ! aid that
enemies of the president were friends of civil
service reform. did not say that all the friends
Of civil service reform were enemies of the preS-
dent
Mr.. Perry of 0hio-Did not you say, yester-
day, that those who supported this bill would
reddife certificate that they were not going to
Cincinnati.
Mr.. Butler-Yes, and | have been trying TO
get such certificate from the gentleman from
Ohio (Garfeld), land he VIII not give it.
tLaughter.l
MIR. Garield-The gentleman from Massachu-
sets is not keeper Of my political conscience.
Mr.. Butler-Never knew that yoU had any
(Renewed laughter.)
Mr.. Garfield, cutting adrift from this personal
collOquy, addressed himself to the subject be-
fore the house, and argued that it was matter
OF imperative necessity That congress bould alb
dictate its usurped and pretended right 10 die
tate appointments to the executive. Arguments
in support Of the hill were also made by Messrs.
Mccormick and Finkelnburg.
Mr. Sargent moved to lay the bill on the ia
bic, but at the suggestion of several members
withdrew the motion, and the house proceeded
| TO vote on Buffers motion to recommit the bill.
Mr.. Holman desired TO amend that motion by
| committee rt
| time.
Mr.. BUTTERFLY no means; / object.
The bill was recommitted; yeas SO, nays 49,,
as follows:
Yeas-Ames, Averill, Banks, Barber, Beck, Bigby
Bingham Bird Blair of Missouri Roles Broxton
Bright, Buckley Butler of Massachusetts, Butler Of
Tennessee, CLARK of Texas, Clark of New York, CO.
burn, Coghlan, Comingo, Conger, Critcher, Crock
nunnell, Farwell, GOlladay, Goodrich farmer,
Harper, Harris of Mississippi, Harris of Virginia,
Havens, HAYS of Alabama, Hazleton of Wisconsin,
HaZelt0n of New JERSEY, Kendall, Kerr, King
Lamison, Lamport, Lansing, Maynard MeJunkin,
Mckee, MercuF, Moore, Morey, Morgan, L. Myers,
Ntblack, Packer of Pennsylvania, Parker of Mis-
souri, Palmer, Peck, Pierce, Peters, Prindle Rainey,
Rusk, Sargent. ScOfeld, Seeley, Sessions, Shanks,
Sheldon, Shoemaker, Slater, SlOss, Smith of Ohio,
Snapp, Snyder, Spur of Pennsylvania, Speer OF
Georgia, Sprague, Stoughton, Sypher Taife Terry,
Townsend of Pennsylvania, Turner, Twicheil,
Tyner, Van Trump, Waddell, Walden of Iowa, Wal
lace, Wheeler, Whitley Wilson of Indiana, Wilson
NAYs-Acker, Adams, Archer, Arthur Beatty,
Blair of Michigan, Brooks OF New York, Buiiing-
ton, Burcnard Burdett Cotton, Cox, Grassland,
Dubose, Duke, Eames, Eldridge, Ely, Farnsworth,
Finckelnburg, Foster of Michigan. Frye, Garfield,
Garrett Getz Griffith, Holdeman, Hale Hasey,
hambleton, Hancock, Handley, Hanks Hay of Hi
nois, Hubbard, Hoar, Holman, Kelly, Low, Lynch
| Manson, Marshall, McClelland, Mccormick, Nc
| Crazy, Mcintyre, Merriam, Monroe, Morphis, Orr
| Packard of Indiana, Parker of New Hampshire
| Perry of Ohio, Ferry of New York, Poland, Potter
| Price, Read, Ritchie e. d. Roberts, w. Il. Rob
| erts, Rogers, Roosevelt, Sherwood, Starkweather
| Stevens, Stevenson, Storm, Strong, Sutherland
| Swami, Epson, Voorhees,, Wakeman, Waldron o
| Michigan, Wells, Whitthorne, White Willard
| 1oung-70.
| The remainder Of the session was devoted t.
| business of District of Columbia.
The speaker submitted a message from the
| president in regard to kukluX outrages in
| South Carolina, which was referred to a Joint
committee on the subject.
Mr. Beck declared that part of the state
ments contained in the message were not true
(relerring TO the statement that the facts were
got from the select commttee)
Mr.. CoX-lt is not true statement and we
will debate it at any time
Mr.. W. h. Roberts made remarks to the same
effect
Mr., Dickey asserted that the statements were
true.
Adjourned till Monday.