The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-03-28

Mr.. SUMNER was then sworn. repeating his pro.
Mr. HAMLIN-wm you state to the committee any
Information pos session relative to the mat
tiers to be investigated. and give us the names OF
Senator suMNER--I resume my protest against
the competency OF the acting chairman to address
senator HAMLIN-Tnen you refuse to answer.
protest. lie purposed now to Begin. He Observed
that Senator Morton IN debate announced that these
nee ae against me On
in advance OF the introduction OF the resolution.
That Senator specifically SAID he knew. but did not
say how he knew, about It; ne slated specifically that
he knew the investigation was coming Now. he
(Mr. Sumnerl had to say that Senator Morton was
better informed on The subject than he was. He
knew nothing OF 1t
UNTIL THE 23D OR path OF DECEMBER.
when friend IN the Senate very kindly called upon
him, and In famiar conversation mentioned Ger.
tam circumstances, and which. being q very bad
did not remember how fully his friend went into
the circumstances, but 1t was enough TO Justify him
was very bad ais friend mad no papers, nor did did
ne say where the papers could be had. His first
cSa VINO he %' in a
had substantially the same facts as himself. The
senator who irst mentioned the subject 10 him was
not Senator SchurZ MI. Schurz mentioned this to
him about the middle OF January. and said he had
seen some OF the papers. and that 1t was matter
ABOUT CHAMBRUN.
Mr.. ScHURz asked, ..Has not the Marquis de
Mr.. SUMMER replied that NJ. de Champrun mad
never spoken to him on the subject. NJ. de Cham
him rhe Marquls, .wnat is the business which
MIR. Scnurz has mentioned to me about the sale OF
armSy Iell me all you KNOW" Chambrun then
gave brief narrative and outline, showing
VIOLATION OF NEUTRALITY
on !1e part o. our government through its omcers
OF arms, lost large sums OF money, which he had
reason 70 suppose went INTO American pockets.
gagged IN the Ordnance Bureau Chambrun did not
say.
THE FRENCH SPY AT WORK.
papers should like to see them" Chambrun then
brought him copy OF the telegram from Squire TO
Remington. and also copy OF the letter from REM
lngton to Lesesne. Or course ne tNr. Sumner) made
justified inquiry, as they placed our government
IN an unhappy position.
influence with the War Department, showing his
direct relations with this government III the purchase
OF arms These papers showed there was ground
influences were used involving Illicit transactions.
He confessed when he read these papers he was
astOnished. Picking up o newspaper one morning
he found under the teegraphio head a despatch
dated Paris. February O. IN which 1t was stated the
Contracts mad adopted o resolution asking the
United States government to furnish the result OF
the inquiry into the conduct OF
AMERICAN OFFICIALS SUSPECTED
Of participating IN the purchase OF arms for the
He understood the same telegram also appeared IN
! the NEW YORK HERALD and other papers, and that
seemed to be uesfionably genuine, ana. ADDED
! TO the letter or Remington and the despatch OF
Influences working for them. made 1t still more IN.
cumbent on him to institute the inquiry. 1t was
under these circumstances ne brought the subject
before the Senate; and now as to the question
whether he knew
he would say that he had received many conflden-
tial letters lone last nlght naming Witnesses The
writer asked him to regard this letter as confden-
Mr.. HAMLN-Have you any names to give 2
Mr.. SUMNER-None have already stated the
Marquis de Uhambrnn ana, though there are other
Witnesses, do not feel authorized TO name them,
the communication to me being confidential
Mr.. SCHURz-Fhe senator did not understand.
Mr. HAMLlN-He did not ask you TO name the
CORRESPONDENCE but whether you have the names OF
any Witnesses tnat you dee1u 1t proper to have
Mr.. SUMMERTIME Senator knows that when
receive such letters hand them over TO him.
nave not preserved the Names unless IL be OF one
Mr.. HAMLIN-Dd you make Ir,quiry OF the Secre-
tary OF tho Treasury and secreay OF WAT ~ ,nn,rv
as 10 my duty as q senator.
Mr.. soluRz.You said you h,d conversation
the matter. 1t was considerably aler, perhaps ten
or twelve days.
25th OF January, but kept note.,
Mr.. soHUsz-I did not know thai y. dc Chambrun
last week tn January; therefore the conversation
had with Mr.. sumner must nave bee n between the
Mr. Sumner sum erin ntr re- his resolution.
Mr.. HAML1N-l understand that NJ. de Chambrun
furnished You WIN copy Of Remaa IONS t6a sec 10
tary Of War to the secretary OF State.
Mr. SUMNER-He did.
Mr. HAMLIN-Aow did NJ. de Cham brun obtain
MIR. SUMNER--I think M. de Cnamoru q said they
were handed TO him by Mr.. BelloneJ, the French
Charge d'Analres. l am sure he said :. Bellonet
confidential, as 1t mad been read by the Secretary
aloud In the presence OF several other gen liemen;
I'm SAID he had no knowledge as TO the Of
the Paris telegram OF February .. He understood.
however that was cGpIed from La tror n,sar
Wasnburne stating In reply to an inquiry o.. Secre-
Larry FISH, 'na' No srcu RESOLUTION
that referred to In the telegram had been intro
duced either IN the National Assembly or in the
Mr. SUMNER said he mad not seen the resolution in
La Patrte. He had heard there had been some
doubt they had discussed the SUBJECT He Thought
1t likely Chambrun had more precise Information.
br of ne commee the @
appeared IN prlnt the Marquis had no Information
on the subject wa, Surprse to- nm as M wea as
had recev ed letters from Paris reassve 70 the sub
ject matter.
Mr.. HAMLIN-Did you have conve vsation at the
Brevoort House IN November In which. ron alluded
to the matter, and said you would
BLOW THE ADMINISTRATION SKY .NIGHY
Mr.. SUMNER-No; l stopped at Tive Brevoort
house. 1t must have been three four days before
the opening OF Congress- / did not then know any
thing about the matter. / was not at ues Brevoort
House afterward. / do not recoect any CONVERSE
ton with gentlemen In which said vast going to
1mplicate the administration.
During the putting OF questions by Mr.. carpenter
to Mr. Sumner the latter SAID he did not III Mterstand
that Chambrun held any official position der the
French government. He became acquainted with
Cnambrun during the last week In March, t9h sHe
brought him letter from his father-n.aw, VI Cor
celles, formerly Minister to Rome who MARI ed
GRANDMOTHER OF GENERAL LAFAYET.N,
and Marquis de Chambrnn married a daughter OF
MIR. Corcees. He received the Marquis as " Pl as
he could The witness invited the Marquis toi call
and see him as often as he chose From fh2t
day. certainly to this winter, he believed the Mar
quis was at his house every day. Their converse.
ton was mainly on French history and Lafavette
and other distinguished men. and the wit
ness found that Chambrun knew more OF France
than any other Frenchman whom he had met, and
knew more OF country than any other foreigner;
In nlru Infn fha