The daily dispatch. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1884, 1872-08-14
o for Another Oliver Ero''hwaii--An
Interview viii, iEhbnlas Carlyle. the
Great English E>sayist--IIc Thinks
EyerybOG, Gazing Wrong:

Rev III. C:iyier in the New York Evangelist.
LONDON, July 22.-Twcnty-n years ago,
during Il colrgc-boy visit to England, had
most interesting interview with Thomas
CARLYLE. His conversation proved very fer
| tili5ing: Having L GREAT desire to see once
more tile Veteran who His rias"d thirty ,ol.
uniSS al -, Productions IN English libraries
sent him Il friendly message. lie invited
me to his little, plain house in Chryne row,
Chelsea. Taking an intimate friend into the
| hanson" with me. we sailed OF on q hunt
for the lion. ti-n drove through fashionable
West End Oh ta tnn binks Of the Tlmme. :
There we tound all antique house; on
whose corner we rcad tie, Inscription,
:. This is Orient rhnEMc Row" III one
Of the oldest of the brick houses iii
this row dwclls-and for forty years lEl>
dwct.-thc most extraordinary of living
English men of letters. Not an article
seemed to have been changed in the house
since nv previous visit in 1872 The s''nd;
faithful vile who dwcIt there then has since
passed away to the "silcnt land" y; all else
looked llnaItcrcd. ] sent up our names, and
we were shown into Il planly-tllrnlshcd
room, OH whose walls hung rugged p"l-
trait of brave Oliver Cromwell. Presently
ten, walked very slowly into the ionii. He
was attirrd in Il long blue woUien 20" II
rcarhing down to his feet. His gIa. hair
WAS in an uncombed "mop" On his head.
His clear blue eye was sharp aiid piercing:
A bright lil'gr tf red was oil, his thin CHECK;
and his hand trcmbled us he took our own:
This most singular personage--WIo re-
minded ME of an old. alchynti st--w;ts Tie
French Revolution" He conmsnccd
at once--altel few inquiries about Long
fellow, Bryant, and other Amer lean friends
most characteristic discourse on the
fearful degcneracy OF this wretched are ol
decisions and impostures. With great vele-
mence of manner he said that : England li;ls
gone clean down into an abomlnIble ana
dammble cesspool Of lies. and shoddics, and
sbams :: The first of these which he speci-
fed were the swindling joint stock company,
and new schemes for turning everything into
gold. Abominable contrvances for lurn-
ing commerce and trade into villainous
rouge Ell noir." He described the present
turmoil on the labor question as simply Il
'lazy trick of both master aud man to get Us
much pay and to do as little work as they
possibly cam" He then broke out into Il
terrible denunciation Of dram-shops and
''whuSkey," which it did my soul good to
hear. Cough never surpassed the redhot
rehemence of the old mans philippe against
"the horrible und dctcstable dalnnation Of
whuskey and livery kind o strong drink"
He is heartily in favor of the pro-
hibitory movement, but has no faith in
parliamentS, and none at all in any living man
now controlling civil affairs. He gave us an
intensely ltIdicrolis picture of night hc onre
spent in Parliament listening to an "intinitc
fabblcment of windy talk and endless grind
Ing of hurdy-Surdes, grinding out lies and
inanities." But at last the old Duke Of Wei
lington arose, and then, said CARLYLE, she
.stammered away for fifteen minutes; but he
WAS the only man in the House who gave me
any credible portraiture of the facts" ]
asked him his opinion OF the man whom we
in America honor rs the most eloquent aud
brave OF living British statesmen. Caryle's
contemptuous reply was, 80" Only u shop
keeper-a mere bagInan-a man WHO treats
England rs only a big shop. he ought never
to go into the House of Commons without u
white apron tied under his arms!'' 80 for
another Oliver Cromwellp exclaimed the
old man, # | have gone down 10 the very
bottom Of aIssi's speeches !; and let me tell
syen that nothing i'll Delnostbenes or any
ether man cail compare with him in the