The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-04-01

honorable member is IN POSSESSION OF the House,
But the honorable member again moved, THIS time
without preface. that the House be COunted. and 1t
was counted accordingly. But, although members
had gone out in anticipation OF TINS count, .iere
were still more tnan forty present.
Mr. HERBERT, resuming, auyerted TO the savr. rs
repeating his doubt as 10 their legally, am then
cited the clause which SAID that savings v!ere to
be applied IN ana OF the charges or expenses OF anV
other class, except the hfn class or OF sny charge
or charges upon Her MaJesty's civil last revenue,
In such manner as may, under the circumstances,
appear most expclient- IL seemed 20 him that you
could scarcely talk OF charse or charges on the
Irvy Purse
For the third time 1t was move a that the House be
counted. and agaln IT Was ior.nd that there were
more than forty members orescni.
AIT. Herbert again resumed amid renewed cries
or "DlvldeW lie thought that cons tera5le douot
existed us to the LEGALITY OF those savlags. Bnt the
on that point but siD'py passed II ~. 81 much
Tor me ilrst point 'iaen. secondly his honorable
Irleno hau caiien attention To the action OF the
treasury as regarded that savings iund.
Az MS monent the tories resnrued 10 a new, and
ny no means very .reditable. dodge. ANY member
OF Tue uouse has right 10 have .'strangers' re-
moved. vnder the term 'strangels'' are included
Peers, Fereign ministers rep0rer'-in tact, erery-
BODY bht actual members OF Parliament. Lord
george Hamilton, the sonnS tory, 10 wnom l have
already alluded, made &ise Of this privilege. ana
Schenc> ana all tue reporters OF the paDeis among
Tie rest Ihe following reports have been sent to
the papers by men pers or i,arlinent wn, acted as
volunteer reporters during the lnlerregLum:--
Mr. Herbert linen Continued ms speech. but the
Interruptions. owever whica haa taken place
doubled as he went along. Conservative members
Withdrew IRON Their usual places IN toe House and
frances and behind the SPEAKERS chair At TINS
time Mr.. Heney, Mr. Waipale Gnd two
the opposition occupying Their usual places.
About forty II, eral members Wee present
uon. ii the extraordinary scene wnich We are de-
sclipng. From tue less prominent parts OF the
House. 10 wnicn TIE conservative me nners nad re-
tired al 'ucessant claluor arose. COckcroving In
every variety rom Tile hoarse cry OF fhe Cochin To
the shnl note or the bantam, aud Other Iarmyard
sounds, together with repeated limitations OF the
rise ana fall OF Mr.. Heroert's voice, prevented
single sentence or the speaker ron reaching
the ears OF thoe VINO were assumed TO I've the aual.
tors. when tae clamor was at us height Mr.. Dod-
son, the chairman OF committees, rushing from his
usual seat the Treasury Dencn 10 the box behind
which the Prime Minister ordinarily speaks, maoe
an animated ana earnest appeal 10 inc cnair asking
whether The sounds wpcn issued from behind the
we're net gross Violations OF order The
Speaker, in reply stated mat the sounds winch
he mad heard, and especially those whicl had pro.
ceeded from honorable members behind the cnalr,
were undoubtedly out OF order in that douse Ard
pam with whicn he had Witnessed the scene that
had recently taken place In the slight lnll
SPEAKER a ' Mr. Heroers annoapcea tuat il IN" the
House would listen 10 him lot hve minutes he
would undertake TO dnisn his observations within
that time Amid considerable interruptions,
vovlng repeated calls 10 order on the part OF the
Chair, Mr.. Herbert was allowed to proceed; but
when, on the expiration OF the five minutes tor
which he had stipulated, he manifested desire 10
continue his speech the camor burst forth alresh
with all its former violence. Mr.. Herbert SAID That
the Interruptions which had taken place had
deprived him OF minute and half OF the time
granted MIN. and that II the House would give h,m
that minute and q haif he would be content. the
Speaker nereupOn rose and called Mr.. Herbert to
order, stating that IL was irregular anu improper TO
appeal TO the House, and tnat he Ought 10 address
himself TO the Chair. Mr.. Herbert then resumed his
seat amid The creates: excitement and confusion.
MI. MUNDELLA then rose and said that he hau wit
nesseo with feelings or the pro- oundest sorrow, the
extraordinary scene which during The past nour had
been enacted in that House. lie mad always fet the
greatest priue IN the department OF the British
House OF Commons, tDasmuch as 1t mad always been
ready 10 listen patiently To all arguments, however
unpala table they might be to majority of Its men,
bels. UP TO TINS line us proceedings had been
as those winch prevailed on the other side OF the
Channel, and which in France tended TO bring rep.
resentauve institutions into dlscIedit.
dr. DiI.LwYN sad that seeing the temper OF the
House. ana the way in when the whole question
before IL mad been treated tnat evening" 1t
DENLY nor III mooa to listen to argument. He
therefore moved the adjournment
the gallery was reopened DIT nine O'Clock. when
the House was dividing on the question Of adjourn
ment winch had been moved by Mr.. Dilwyn. The
numbers were-yeas 20. NAYS 20l.
Mr.. FAwcErT SAID he Iuliy conceded his honor.
able friends right TO discuss the clvil list, ana II
he had brought forward his motion last year 1t
should have had h5 support Now, however, his
motion could not be disconnected from speech
which mad been made during the recess, anu that
speech had very much resenlDled personal attack
on the Queen. He claimed for MS irlenI the III mt
o. discuss Az, not only the cvi list but even the
form OF government, and he could tell the con-
seiv3tive party thaI II they attempted to stop
discussion. as hey nad attempted 10 do rnat
ing, The republicans would look upon mem as their
most useful aii,es. lie was bound to say. however,
that he dlsappr0ved OF n GreaL deaf of the matter
ana spirit Oh ehe speech OF his honorable
Trend, winch nintV-nlne out OF hundred
persons w0nid accept as applying personally
10 the Sovereign. All he could say was tnat If ne
held pnoc position and was similarly attacked,
he should nave felt himself 10 be made object OF
charges when he was bound TO dlsDrove. He was
as as anxious 10 have the clvl sl incurred INTO a.
Mr. Llddell denied that the conservative party
had attempted TO stile discussion.
sir CHARLES Dixie, IN reply, COMMENDED that the
Prime Mlnlster haa not disproved single one or
hts statements all OF which were based the best
presidents. He should go to division, no matter
how few memoers followed MIN into the loBby.
The House uivded-For the motion, .; against II,
276
The announcement was received with laughter
and cheers.