The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-05-25
NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY 25 1072-TRIPLE SHEET

60 OFFER my best thanks to your lortships on both
sides OF the House for the indulgence you have ex.
make an appeal to you, that so critical moment
as the present Is not the one when we should 20
into a discussion OF this case. (Cheers.l
NATURE or THE NEGOTIATIONS NOW GOING ON.
me Duke or RICHM0ND-WOuld the noble earl
tell us how long IT will be before he is able to ex-
plain to US what IL the nature OF the article which
ne says Is the subject of negotiation In the United
think there Ia any unwillingness on my part but
have already put him In possession Of all the facts
shall receive an answer nom the United States
The Senate may take two or three days. but am
really unable to give any assurance on the subject.
THE KIND OF SETTLEMENT WANTED
Earl RUSSELL, on rising pursuant to a notice
which stood In his name was understood to saw
though imperfecty heard, that no had no doubt
sincere N all MS endeavors IN connection with this
treaty treaty lie wished ,I, to make treaty with the
parties but he never intended that the claims now
under der notice should have been put forward. 1t
have taken pains to ascertain the real real
nature OF the claims. Then il might be
would In fairness and honor, ana In the relations
Of amity which existed between the two govern.
ments, have said that the English Minister was mis-.
taken, and the United States would feel herself ao
liberty to advance indirect claims whenever their
case was made. But the noble Earl did not take
and the American government had never yet said
either that the indirect claims had disappeared or
ter should have been allowed to proceed while the
people Of England were determined that these indi-
rect claims could not be admitted. The claims were
OF the most gigantic character. One was that this
country should be answerabc for damages for the
proongation of the war, and the destruction OF com.
mercia marine. Never In tho history OF nations
had there been so preposterous claim as that put
forward by the American government In the begin
ming OF January Then IL ought not to be disguised
that
THE cAsR or THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WAS con.
osrvsp IN TERMS OF THE MOST OFFENSIVE CHAR
30 the ministers OF this country No swindler. no
picspocket at the Old Bailey lsl could have been
worse treated than were the British ministers by
the American government The conduct OF the
government in making these offensive charges
II appeared to him that the noble earl ought 10 have
said then, plainly and directly that the British
government could not 80 TO arbitration, could not
send any person 10 represent them in the arhtra.
tration unless those indirect claims were at onca
withdrawn. clear. hearl Even until that day
the government had never condesccnded to inform
Parliament what was going on. The negotiations
had been conducted by what was called .ssecvet
diplomacy II they had taken moro open course
he believed they would never have occurred He
did not wish 10 detan their icrdships, nor would
he at present press his motion that no re.
pTesant1t tive should he sent 20 Geneva. Little
than fortnight would elapse before they would
know what was intended: hn, this he wonld say
that Until the 18th 81 June nc shoald revert again
and again to ms motion under these indirect Claims
were positively Wltnfirawn-n-leSs they were With
drawn not ladlgec'ly, but by formal aet OF che
American government and entirely set aside
These claims should disappear altogether, and
representative az Fer Majesty sAoald ever appear
these rnendaclcus Gains Unless this were done
he certainly should renew again and sCain until The
18th al June the motion OF which he had given no
tice. Unless some agreement was made which
would be satisfactory. and which was honorshle 10
the Crown IL could not allow any representative ar
Her Majesty 10 appear at Genera. AT present, he
must say, IL did not appear 10 him thai the ores-
ton Was one between lie honor OF ihe CroWu or
tho 4f4prl ~ L
his part he preferred In. honor OF Her Majestv-he
preferred the honor and reputation Of this country
TO any prospect Of the reelection OF President
EARL DEgBY-s TWO OBJECTIONS.
The Earl OF Derby said there were two objections
TO discussing this question al the presen, moment.
The first was that there WAS motion before the /
House; and the second, that this was noi conye-
the conduct OF those negotiations which had been
in progress and which were followed BY the mis-
that had arsen What he had
gathered and what the House had gathered from
the statement OF the noble earl was, that the
they understood had the concurrence ftte Ameri-
can EXecutve-for the modification OF the cond-
tions Of the treaty. and that that proposal was now
under the consideration or the Senate. The House
was, therefore, In this postion.they did not know
what result would be given to them; but he apprc-
tainly premature, II they were to think or act as II
this matter was settled. What they did know
the reception of this proposal might be, they were
pledged to 1t so far as the government was con- |
cerned so, II they desired To interfere, Wnlcn% IA
did not because he knew that interference by either
House OF Parliament pending negotiations was
delicate in the extreme; but even If they did I
wish 10 interfere they would be too late They had
received from the noble Earl speaking on the part
OF Her Ma,esty's Government the strongest posi- |
bic assurance that these indirect claims would
not in any form be submitted to arbitration.
Hear, hear They had also heard that In what |
ever the government had done they had never |
swerved from that opinion. tHear, hear.) That |
was quite clear and explicit an assurance as
they could fairly ask for in the present situation,
and in the absence-the necessary absence-of |
papers which alone their Judgment could be |
formed, and with the very limited knowledge they I
had Of the nature and character OF the proposition
itself, he could not think 1t would serve
any useful public purpose to carry this I
discussion further at present. Everybody In /
this country, and he hoped everybody in |
America also, wished this matter to be brought to
an honorable settlement; but he had right to
utter one word OF meaning-Let there be no more
understanding" Hear, hear) They had right
to ask that this new engagement, which was
likely to be entered into and which was to super
scde and control all existing obligations should be
couched In perfectly clear precise, and unmistak-
able terms; because IL that were not done, they
were likely to have all over again that misundcr-
standing and anxiety which had attended these
negotiations.
The debate then terminated.