New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-02-06


@ How long did you keep handouts in your office
A. never procured hem they "o'o Drought 'nere "'
Q. What were they brought there for A. BY United
states Marshall who had prisoner Ia cnarse Io MAS
Q How long did you keep those hsodcgI Tain In your
object A. think they have hung there ever since.
O Arc you willing TO state further to the Committee
the instances which you have acted upon the fears OF
you deemed necessary to prosecute your sultsf A. /
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LAID down the Handouts While you were examining "a
witness A. think tho first time it oecqTreo wa
j. s. ChakeT, now 10 special agent WIN COL howo' ',
@. What was his occupation at that Time a. III
O. What knowledge had he that you were nterrogatne
this tmid witness A. / think no brought him there
@ At what stage of the terrifying did be come IN win
th hapdeqs do not know Just What b stag on
anybody A have no knowledge Of their ever having
been put on man to terrlfy him. ,oo,o, ,,s hand.
% sna S Ss% "a e Skn AS to '
how they work but not 70 terry the witness Ss
A. To see how they opened aud locked. ,.... ,.on
Q. In your presence at any time has Witness Deeh
handcufed a. think not, Sir.
Q suppose yOu say you know not not you think not
A. Not 70 the best OF my knowledge and belief
@. Did you ever man. for any cause handcuHod
in your room In the Custom house A. think not, Sir
except it wa, voluntary on his part. ,,.,so, .,
his own request A. do not know that any one was;
think have put them on my own wrists, ., ,hO finn
that Chalker brought in the handouts A. L do not
recOllect. 49,, .
O. You do not Keep record or these transact0n5f n
q Among your legitimate means, do you threaten IN,
as applied to thoIiselvesi A. L think not. Sir.
O. Did you never threaten any merchant win ,nuicc
frequently read the law showing that they would De
liable TO indictment, and convicted, what the conSe
O. Was 1t not understood generally by the merchants
that In compromise and settlement were MADE
they would be free from Indictment A. suppose that
implied more or less.
O. Was 1t not thoroughly understood n, some mer-
chants may have understood IT so.
MIR. JAYSEs METHOD OF DOING BUSINESS.
Senator BayardIaye you used violent or opprobrious
the merchants whose books and papers were
under seizure to witnesses from whom you desired to
obtain Information A. think not.
O. Have you never used opprobuOus language to mer-
chants In respect to their conduct and acts A. guess
O. did not AJAX for your guesscsi A Well, generally
men would think differently OF different language
what the Senator might think Opprobrous might not
q. Have you used either to Witnesses from whom
you desired to obtain information. or to merchants
probrious anguagel A. With regard to Witnesses have
tried by every legitimate means TO nave them tell to
@ BY that did you denouDce them as bad men' A.
may have doue IT. sometimes think that fraud Is so bad
that 10 il damned bad. (Laughter.l
O. Have you denounced these men as thevesf a.
think not that Is not the way We bait the hook gener
ally.
Q am not asking how you bait the hook or what you
think; have you done ,9i A. think nor; our oco ..
thieves and rascals A. Quite likely when knew that
O. That is one Of your legitimate methods Of obtaining
information A. man generally, by your telling MN
the truth, sees that you are candid.
O. That was the method you empoyedf N Yes, TO Cd
O. And what use did you make OF this TRUTH A. When
got at the truth proceeded to get the books ana
papers Of the merchant
O. When you got them, what else did you do A.
examined them to see what evidence Of fraud could
find and then reported the 10 the DisrictAt0Tbey
the Collector so that they could bring suit or not as
O. When a settlement was made what then A. got
my share of the money and Uncle Sam got his
O. You never spoke unexpectedly To Hneman and
Paysoni A. think repealed with some warmth what
Mr.. Payson said, and he in very gentlemany manner
admitted that he was sorry and said no was sorry he
think il H. ''''A 90 ''' W. 4-'''''1
q Did YOU ever use violent language to member OF
@ Did yOul A. think not; said before. different
look upon the same language in different WAYS;
think used language to any member OF that
firm which was not proper reply to what was SAID 10
me.
CROOKED WAYS OF OBTAINING INFORMATION.
Q. Have you paid money to any clerk or bookkeeper
OF merchant TO obtain information in relation to his
nffarsi A. have paid money wherever 1 thought |
could get Information by doing So have paid money |
merchants to obtain information Of other merchants
have paid money to clerks and 10 any from whom
thought could get the truth.
Q. ask you plain question; think the effect will DO
for you TO consider In this published testimony ask
you you have paa money tor
touching the affairs OF their employers A. have paid
money whenever
wtnoss-I have paid money for information in many |
cases. and have promised never 10 tell from whom 1t
obtained should think 1t dshonorable to give any man
Sen senator Bsysrd-You were not asked to state any
Dr bookkeepers for information touching the private
business Of their employersf A. have paid them for
nformation touching mportaons which were not pri-
O. That has been one of your methods OF obtaining
'our elsewhere except it pointed me to the direc
ion in which could lind certain facts
~ I'm thar rnrAa had fIadn or fn
dive up the OF the nformer you were not able TO
disclose it, but used the information which you could
O. Therefore you did use their testimony A. Exactly
Q. That has been your system A. MY system has |
to discover fraud upon tho revenue IN any
way that could legitimately.
JAYNE's PROFITS.
Q. You have undertaken to give statement of what
have received since June 1862 your share Of this
nformers quota you you have received s2 00o tho
whole amount of the quota being sl54OOo you having
compelled to pay Others part Of your half A. Ycs
Sir.
O. Were those people to whom you paid part of this
money connected with the Custom house A. Yes, ST. |
Q. This embraces everything In every way that |
you nave received as Treasury Agent A. les, Sir
@ You have a salary over and above all thisi A. was
paid sesss my sslarys to May, 1871 was IS per day;
O. When you absent looking up these things
your travelling expenses borne by the Government A.
Yes Sir; but think the whole sum has been less than
6 New-York has been your chief scene Of operations
A. Yes, Sir.
Q. You have nothing at all to do with Mr.. Howe's bu
'eau Z A. No, Sir.
Who do you report to- A. To tho Secretary Of the
Treasury.
q Did your commission come from him A. 1t did.
g. In regard to the saes of merchandise how these
sales made A. don't know.
O. You cannot give any Information tho |
method OF the sales A. No, Sir; don't know where 1t
axes place
O. Is 1t embraced under those auctions OF unclaimed
goods A. L suppose
Q, Are the catalogues the same A. suppose 1t is
part OF thom
O. Have you ever observed that the proceeds OF tho
sales fell short or what you supposed the goods to DO
WORTH A. have observed this that whore have made
seizure OF liquors cigars, after the duties and