The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1872-07-13

The Minister of Finance said that it was pcssipie
and probable that some OF the large AInounts aPpro-
priaied will not be expended. but II was necessary
nevertheless TO appropriate for the interest, II the
money was to be borrowed. as is anticipated Al
nothing more than the income Of the country vss TO
be expended that was another matter, and TINS
amount for interest viii not be required.
Hon. Mr.. Carter said that il the Assembly passes
the proposed loan Act-and the u was net much n
matter of doubt on the Ministerial sleeve must OF
course pay the interest. the money beng borrowed
So long as our revenue y only SS0O,Oo0, aud We
persist in spending Sl,20O,Oo0 we must pay the
interest. The only consolation we can oiier 20 our
selves is that AFTER US the delugo." If Ministers
want this, they will no doubt have it.
Hon. Mr.. 4. F.. Judd confessed himself ruzaled.
lie thought the Minister should show the figures
He himself made the debt as il wiz be, S4b5.OOO.
without the Hotel Bonds, and the interest for two
years viii amount 10 over SlU0,OOp-
Hon. Mr.. Carter said the point was plainly made
that while we arc not in debt now. At the end OF two
years we shall owe over S40O,OOO-it docs not re
quire a great stretch at imagination 70 see this L
have previously said thas ! bad not much confidence
in the financial abilities of the Minister Of Finance,
and that confidence I confess is not increased At the
present time
His Excellency The Minister did not expect 10 call
for q loan for n year To come
The TEN was passed ut $4,000. This concluded
the items of the bill. which foots up Sl.lsO,e44.
On Section 3 Of the bill, providing for transfers"
Hon. Mr.. Carter said that as there wss no restriction
ia fact, in this matter of transfers, he thought the
section should read that = Ministers be allowed To
transfer just as they please"
Hon. Mr.. hupakee moved to strike out this section.
Ii was by reason of this provision for transfers that
50 many appropriations for roads and bridges were
never expended for the purposes intended.
Hon. Mr.. Aholo said thai the difficulty complained
OF by the members for South hOna aud hau was
not likely to occur in the Ia me-, tor We are going
to borrow a large sum of money, so that public i'm
provements will all get some.
Hon. Mr.. Carter said that this matter OF transfers
had in sydney quite recently caused considerable
trouble in the Government, no less than the going
out of Office of one Minister and the coming in oil
another. OF course we do not want anything OF
that sort here. Matters of expediency. l lind. al
ways override principles in the House. 1t is not
expedient TO do away with this transfer system,
and so it will remain.
The Minister of Finance explained how public
works are facilitated by the system of transfers in
cases where the sums appropriated are found insult
cient.
Hon. Mr.. Hitchcock opposed the system of trans
fers, as giving the Ministers too much power over the
expenditure of the public money.
Hon. Mr.. Bishop ssid that il was for the interest of
the country to continue the system of judicious
transfers, especially in view Of biennial sessions of
the Legislature. If these transfers were TO be for
hidden in every case, the result would be TO cripple
the public service. The Section was passed. Section
6 was passed with Section Z that completed the bill.
The Committee then rose and reported passage OF
the Appropriation Bill with amendments. The re-
port was accepted and bill moved to its engrossment.
His Excellency the Minister of Foreign Affairs asked
to have the salary of His Majesty's Chamberlain
placed at So, 600 for the two years, as the salvation
Of the country did not depend upon the cutting
down of the salary of the worthy gentleman who
filled this position. Motion passed. Hon. A. f.
Judd moved to strike out the item for a market at
Lahainn. Lost. Motion made to place the item for
support of military at $4,000. The Adjutant Gen.
eral said that if any one could support the military
for less than $79, 500, twas more than he could do.
Hon. Mr.. Bishop was opposed to any increase in the
sum appropriated, or in the number of troops en-
listed.
His Excellenev the Minister of Foreign Affairs
asked the House to let ~ on the Government o little
just q little.
Hon. Mr.. Carter said, there was nothing taken
place since the House voted on this item before to
warrant an increase, but on the contrary, the Treas
is poorer by 500, 600 than then. 100000 is
quite enough to pay for all the soldiers actually
needed to do soldier duty, but to build fish ponds. to
tsro, and mako paiai, it will perhaps not be
enough.
{ The item passed at BIS, 500. by a vote of IS TO II.
Hon. Mr.. Kuihelani moved to reconsider the al
bwance for the Governess of Hawaii, and place it at
e50OO-negatived.
Hon. A. f. Judd moved 10 reconsider the salary of
he second clerk of the Supreme Court, and to place \
t at 3000-negatived, 16 to Is.
House adjourned.