New-York tribune., 1872-04-01


St returns since attention called TO the subject Ia
iooo anu large property accommodating out Of saw
OF the bounty of Parliament IL was necessary To- con
der these facts In dealing withfuure applications from
present reign unprecedented applications had been made
of the law.
SPEECH OF Mr.. GLADSTONE.
Mr. Gladstone, who spoke with much vehemencc.
charged Sir Charles Dixie with careless investigation of
the facts on which he relied especia y AS tho useless
ness of inquiries into the Civil List at tho beginning of
reign Ihe Committee which sat at the beginning OF
the present reign had recommended civil list which
showed great reductions the civil list of the Queens
TWO Immediate predecessors being less by 100000 than
that OF William w. and less by s225,ooo than that OF
George ". Ile pointed out that tho princesses IN
the time OF George ~ were also granted annnes my
o thelr rather from his civil nst AS 10 some =, n
Information asked for il already within the knowl
edge and possession Of the House ent II the Sc
naronet would apply for in the 10TH m Ia ~
he required IT, there would he indsposton TO grant ~
INV sonorabe tf friend 1T is mPossSe not to bear in
the mode and circums ances under whlch tne NM
motion is inscparably connected with what preceded It,
Now what did precede ii speech OF my nonoIhVo a.,
friend OF which know nothing except as reported III
the newspapers; but must say with respect 10 t nnt
speech was particularly unfortunate m one @ ~
LOYALTY and respect but the prudence on
this point. ICheers. say that II any man, be he men,
seer 5 iS' it bis duty to descant on the
Civil List before miscellaneous nnaieSce' audience os Sne
carton which he should never forget from the be-
ginning to the end Of what he says-s s 70 proUIfo H
respect the arrangements OF the Cvl Lst tere 10 ~
responsibility whatever and there OS can sovereign WS
Ichoersl the Government and Parliament alone are are
esponOG for it, oGd cheers a frand gntdG GsnCcr
am also sure especially after the mode III when ne mas
spoken % particular into which he considers he
fe he N himself admit he did not on that occasion
give and sufficient effect to thal Intention u. ilEn
he wished. Chccrs and laughJ At any rate lhis ao
dress so framed a. TO make the impression n on
those who heard and many Ot those VINO Iesu I
IL chat the intention of the speech was 10 @ Dcar
more directly On the personal economy ana cnarac-
Ter OF the SOVEREIGN than is compatible with our
Parliamentary Constitution oud cneSyH j. a., a1q a. Il 'm ,t IN.
preston formed on the puhnc nina IN iter
makes direct appeal TO details because II IS M
evil choeTs my honorable friend has created tls asso
ciaton between that speech ana the present moron m
which We cannot overlook IN dealing win lhg question
now before lCheers. an bound 10 toucl dhother
subject In hht very s.nie sITeoh III W. MHon @ ~ CON-
to represent the Crown MS nctdessy anu con-
suming earnings OF the people. he thOnght IL ncccs
to Dcratc his conscience ny delivering MS Ohios
IN favor OF cause-an cs'en,.al c,"So in uo"d t"d
form OF the Government OF TINS country. lbond
cheeISJ 1hcreol' tLIhh wiz mo, u.M'ri% ri%,, ~
prudence pointing 10 Change most lcPdHhint ~
the minds and views OF great majority OF hls country
men lchcersl. he has contINed TO pace an h,olony
assocation with the molten now Delore us, nee -
And Whcu We come 70 consider tms iolon, We WtIo
bound ami the Government were bound not merely 10
look az what the motion contains but al inc who.t CIR
cUmsincc of the and at the construction WHcn
Warrlnt1hly and naturally would be put on IT. ana
confess. after considering these clfchmstahces
taking into view the origin 0t this moVcment-i could
der MAJ II we were to acccdc the motion and grant
the inquiry the particulars Of the CV lst wliA or
shoLld 10 much 20 propagate and sustain oeSi III the
country that the motion Was granted by Tie House oi
deucy Of the speech Newcastle aud the cnunraon Oi
the constitutional changes which he does NOT dlSa'o"'
THE rSExPEDlEScY OF TIE INQUIRY.
Mr. Gladstone cay that he did not deny the
right of he make this inquiry Dut the ques-
tion who ,her 1t Mas Cxpedcn' He denied that the
grants George III. for public expenses 1t
was pointed that the Queen, since her accession had
never ked for any alteration OF the Civil List but had
honorably kept 70 her bargain As to the SAY iga men
toned nothing could DO moro visionary than the opn-
IONS entertained On this point by Charles Dtc. A.
fic same tsne ,ir Gladstone admitted that he did not
possess any minute information on the subject. lie
ther pointed ont that since Her Majesty e~iOn TO
the throne she had expended nearly sjel10O ~ pay,
of pensions thIce1.h5 OF which A hcon gIintcl
before Ler To the throne. These pay ments
had absorbed anything which Her Majesty might have
been able 10 save on account o the Clli List IN con
clnsiOn Mr. Gladstone said ask the House wlt tncr
il is WELL and ask IL on more grounds ihan one, Ihat
we should reopt, under EXISTING cTS ulns' 'tnces
a Nic-b4rCain with the Sovereign liIear, heaT.l
Is 1t a becoming ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS Tor Ih9 Ia. ialtn w
jul observance OF the contract 70 WIllcn L nav & re-
fcrrcdi Hear hearl l. IT, on the other hand rru %
natOnt Hear, hear VINO can lai 10 see tn,o II ~
your iupatience TO obtain at more than questionable
tain this boon for tue pubic you are prepared ,o nit
up or arrangement with the Sovereign, you enable The
-0v,rcisn-nOt this SOY ereien not coming Sovertig
bat he sovereign at any period ana OF any crn'ry-lo
plead example against yOu and TO solicit your
happens You not only have in my opinion great
ris> OF public money, but you raise an alpre
tween sovereign and Parliament Of the most painiu
character. and must say of no good omen to Tie nsl
the benefit OF economy, though that Is great
nrneht which As geoI arrange ,aage ,s51 no "a
aud 1891 putuug the Civil List on better
sums ol money but II has also saved the Monarchy. aud
the nation through the Monarchy-the association OF III
between the two IS 80 cose at II Is Impossible 10
Tho ufC.I I|fOQ
ol il ,tenufin 10 enter further into dc,
fails many of winch after all have little bearing and
cannot affect the maiu ssuC--upOu every ground, b0th
20 IHc nbanpy circumstance under winch the motion
Is Urtsentcd 10 and likewise OF sound gen
eral policy may also venture 10 add OF dnty toward
sovereign regns n the hearts Of her people lchcelS
eaTne.}Iy trust the House viii be disposed, after
cusson which has perhaps already been sufficient @ ior
the purpose, TO meet with negative voice the inoOA
OF my honorable friend lChccrsl
ATTENIT or Mr.. AUBEROS HERBERT TO STEAK.
Mr. Auberon Herbert next rose TO speak, but Mr..
GIdstone's hint had not been los; upon the younger
members Of the House, and Mr. Herbert encountered
mos, stormy reception. lie was met in the first Instance
with groans and Interruptions which continued for at
least five minutes, and in which were very distinguish
able bi,.es 1t was impossible for him 10 utter more
than one word at "a tmc because, whenever he opened
IN. month"; he met by roar OF "Divide. divide"
which mostly came from the Conservative benches.
After he had thus tried Ia vain "a get
hearing for few minutes member asked
the Speaker whether the honoIa"le mehoor udu ho'
already seconded the motion by moving his hat but
the Speaker said he was in possession OF the House
I'D 10 ths time benches both sides of the House
had been full the proceedings were now interrupted
by some hundreds Of members rsng IN DOdy ana caV-
in 2 amid the greatest noise and confusion, and there
only remained seven or eight the Conservative
bcnche. and about nifty on the Ministerial The Minis
,cria bench quite u aso was the bench on that
sde below the gangway and there were about twenty
five behind Mr. Herbert however, continued TO address
those that remained and said that he wished frankly