The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1872-07-03

I Mr.. Mikalemi was in favor Of a new Palace werc
the country more free from debt and If the Ministry
would withdraw the Bill TO sanction the Hote
Bonds, be would favor 500, 600 for Palace.
I Mr.. Carter said he was 10 favor OF Palace If il
could be Afforded He knew there was 4 necessity fol
Palace, ard regretted that it had not been com.
menced before, as there now seemed TO be feeling
against it; that the present Palace dilapidated
could not be denied, and that one was neces-
sty; but from the present outlook the expense Of
substantial end suitable structure could not be afford
cd Extra Constitutional Acts had tendency to dc.
moralize values and It was so with rash cxpendi-
lures he did not know 10 what extent the Govern.
eminent credit could go, but one thing certain
that the debt OF the nation increased would the
rate of interest; Government securities had value
with business men according TO the stability and
responsibility Of the Government. In regard to
individual feeling of Members towards Ills Majesty,
he had heard nothing to cheaper his dignity, and
thought that If anything had been said, the Minis
tiers themselves furnished the weapons, l acknow-
ledge that ferling Of disrespect to the Sovereign
does TO certain extent threatened the independence
of Lingdom. Bnt this is not the only influence
that works against a country. Debt is an infu-
ence; debt at present is not so large, but the
debt in prospective is.
whole matter OF debt was just Shaving of OF an
evil day, and a matter of depreciation OF Govern
ment, and debt may work 10 the injury OF the State
His Majesty had advisers, and they had certain
influence over him, which he hoped would always
be for his good. The debt Of the nation the
Assembly had voice in, and he hoped its advice
would be Of advantage 10 the country. The qucs-
tion was, could we afford a Palace, and could it
not be put off for two years without harm to any
ones He was in favor Of appropriating $4,000 for
the purchase of a site, In order 10 make beginning.
Hon. Mr.. Bishop said l regret that the debates
lately have taken such wide range, many of the
remarks have had connection with the matter to be
acted upon. have heard this Assembly styled a de-
batting club, and if We 90 on as we have done We are
likely to be called Gossip and Sandal Society.
This habit of wandering from the question at issue
leads to waste Of time loss of temper loss of respect
for each other. and sometimes, fear, loss of self
respect. Some say don't want Palace because
we can't afford it but no one will say that the King
ought to have a respectable house to live in,
in which he could receive his friends and the many
officials that visit here At present there is not fit
place at His Majesty's command in which he can re-
ceive be ought. 1t has been remarked by some
that if the King had a Psace it would not be used
1t would be used more less, but no one can blame
the King for not living in the present 1t is
certain that he would live in the new palace all the
time, but it is probable that times he would scjourn
at Waikiki, at others at his cOuntry-seat Molokai
But the idea Of His Majesty going to hotel to re-
ceive and entertain strange one. If he chose
to go there to entertain at times, it well enough
but to be obliged to 60. should think would make
any Hawaiian feel ashamed for we all know that it
has been Kamehameha VS. pleasure to entertain
Princes, Admirals and other dignitaries, and what
kind of impression would they receive if they were
to be entertained by him the hotel and told that he
had no other place. When l have been showing
strangers about the town. have felt mortified when
asked to show them the palace, when really is not
as handsome many private residences in Honolulu.
Our palace may look to be very good house to ma
tive from the country. but to the eye of one who has
been abroad even not beyond San Francisco it must
appear shabby in the extreme. l don't think VIC
ought to go extremes and build very ornamental
building, but there is a wide ground between mean
ind extravagance. Here land is cheap, aud
grounds of fair surrounding residences can be
beauti6ed with handsome trees and shrubbery at
comparatively small expense. I sorry it SO hap
pens that need Government Buildings and
new Palace at the time, rs it calls for more
money than afford to spend. However it is not
the fault of the Government that the Palace has not
been started before this for 1 am personally ac-
quainted with the difficulties they have had to con-
tend vita in securing a suitable site to build upon
The Government Buildings are far from being com
peted, and the Palace viii not be much more than
started the end of years and if we appropri-
ata Sl00 mn dnuhf bn I ro,1
if we could hardly afford 500, 900 this year The
Government ought to be satisfied with sum sufficient
for the purchase Of the land and to make good
start and be able to show that we mean to soon have
a suitable Palace. But say that we don't want a
Palsee-that can't agree to at all. shall favor of
appropriation Of $50 0OO in order that good be-
ginning may be made before the meeting of the next
Legislative Assembly.
Mr. Kaiue was opposed TO the item of $780, 900 .
for new Palace, The nation could not afford it
just now. Whatever the Ministers said Of want OF
respect from the Representatives towards his Msjes-
ty be cared nothing for; the remarks made by them
only few back upon themselves, and did not intim-
idate him particle.
Mr.. Ahoo was in favor of new Palace and pass.
ing the item at $4,000.
Mr.. Kahananui was in favor Of passing the item
at $4,000
Mr.. Naihe asked the Minister of the Interior if
100000 would complete the Palace, TO which the
Minister replied that he could not tell exactly what
the cost would be. "Now, Representatives ask
you TO listen to that; is it not equivocaly The
Hon. Member said be would vote for $4,000, II he
had guarantee that il would not cost any more.
The item passed at $4,000, by vote of 81 ayes
to noes, as follows:
Ayes-His Ex- P. Nshaolelua, His Ey. P. Kauoa
His Elk. J. o. D6minis, Hon. c. R. Bishop, Hon. D.
Kalakaua, Hon. W. P. Kamakau, Hon. P. Y. Kaeo
Hon. H. Kahanu, His Elk. c. c. Harris, His Ex F.
W. Hutchison, His Ex. J. Mott Smith, Hon. Messrs.
Kupakee Nawahi, Hitchcock, Halemanu, Naihe,
Ahoo, Kaukau, Kuihelani, Nui, Kahananui, New
ION, Kaiue, Mikalemi, Komoikebuehu, Paikuli,
Kekoa, C. H. JUDD, Kaukahs, Rice, and Kapuniai.
Noes-Hon. Messrs. Martin, Hanaike, Lonoaea,
A. F. Judd, Carter, and Poll.
Completing Government Offices, $50, 000--passed.
New Custom-house Stores, 10000.
Mr. c. H Judd moved TO strike out the item, as
he Bulge. this session was rather heavy, and the
IMPORTS for the next two years. in bis opinion,
would not necessitate the expenditure of this item
or storage room.
His Eek. the Minister of the Interior spoke of the
necessity of more store room. We were short of
t, and there was no accommodation at present for
be carvo of shin in dtstrpss that needad