New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-01-12

vesgated II Immediately and found that como OF tho
scsris were sold to person over IN BROOKLYN ana
jackson, / think. a laborer for the contractors,
had h taken The goods made an novc aa haye
been subpcnaed and do not know what has become of
him. got the goods back again. think there were sew
were taken traced that to opener and packer nut
the case OF such character that 1t was very di
to pnse It upon him with mat dese Ss E be sn
seQuently confessed that he did take them; mat
Was the only case WHERE was -, a1 nnra y, 1e
partment; there three departments In tine puDnc
store two OF the departments have about 90 men eaGh
In the building who happen TO be in the rooms and
1t is very difficult for goods TO be taken from the
cases ut that tme have thought that more pl1erlhg
was done before the goods got to the public store
don't know that they are taken in the night,
am inclined TO think the merchants have an erro-
neous impression, and place upon the ApPraiser Dg
partment much of the odum of this pierng thah
g During the time when the appraisers are personally
occupied there would he impossible for these pecna
tons to take placel A. 1t would be very difficult uess
it done when they were out of the rooms rovor
o. the losses constant and seVefef A.
have had case of very large amount while was vas AP
praser that they claimed 70 De o LARGE I losses from
carts or where goods were the wharf; cases nave
the store broken and with goods taken ouV po
O. Have Won been able to find out who were the dis,
honest persons in the Department. A du III couo
O. Did you ever cause persons to be turned out for
such conducts a. Yes, Sir e.
such pecGlatons who was subsequently put in another
department. A. Well in the case OF this man Heiser' oi
O. was that Inc case where you were written to for
information whether there was anything against MN
O. You returned the information but that did not pre-
vent his appointment A. No, Sir.
COMPROMISES ENCOURAGE FRAUD
O. What is the effect OF system OF compromises where
the Government has defrauded by dishonest mer-
chant who is permitted to compound with the officers
and is not punished A. My impression is that one con-
victon Of the ofense would do more to prevent rauo
than fifty of compromise. ~.
O. Has there been O single case OF coINctohi ~ wv
that know Of. ,.o
@ Is your experience that this system Of compromise
rather tends to encourage fraudt A. IL seems 70 o 60
O. DO you know whether it docs or does not tend TO
enrich officials whose interest is in the moietyf A. ]"
Senator Howe-would you recommend, therefore the
repeal OF authority on the part Of the no TO
Treasury A. would make the crime OF fraud upon inc
G0yernment-snugg 10 Ie saio ~ conrse
should not allow the Government to be defrauded o 5
proper revenues where there was Irauden , heIinye
any department OF the Government can sunGlenty
understand these different people the evidence ea6
put before the Government department on paper Rdtn
cred by some one or two persons, ana IL may W
it may be incorrect.
of which yon have heard would your CONCLUSION ee Inat
passing through the Cusomhouse than after they Hau
gone through the CustOmhOuse, and into the possession
Of the ownersl A. on, yes; from my knowledge u n
think so. ,
@ More cases of larceny in the 0usomh,ouse a;
Well while the goods We're in possession Oh Inc various
Q. That is your judgment is i'll A. Yes that is I'M
wEIGHER THOMPSON AGAIN.
O. You have stated what you believed in reference 10
the appointment Mr. Thompson, and the influences
that you understand eXcrted to secure his appoint
men; now, unless you communicate to who your
informant was do not see how we can verify your
statements A. The persons who were engaged in it arc
in Washington, and you ascertain from them whether
this statement is true; do not know whether IL is true
not say what heard; do not think it necessary to
@. suppose they deny it9 A. Well, then would not
affirm it that VIII satisfy me the gentleman misnformed
me; and nobody will he hurt.
G. Are you quite sure that It will satisfy the public
d9Ve no o4 3h 1I tat o fhe dr9yinr Of
Mr. ThOmpsons confirmation was matter of public tax
brought upon Mr. Boutwell, to retain the name of
Mr. Thompson some time before he confirmed him. and
mon his mind TO remove his impression in regard Ia rs
simply stated one Circumstance, one source of in
formation that had and that gives you cue 10 asccr-
ain If you desire what it that operated upon the
mind Of the Secretary of the Treasury 49,. T..
O. shall not press you 10 tell the names OF your III
oTinantS hut want you to dismiss one idea; you say
his information which you received Is not correct
y not hurt anybody; that is mistake; hundreds or
thousands Of people will read your statement tomorrow
who never will hear any contradiction ofg9fthough it
ng!on "A: M' certainly did not make the statement
q fix the date when you hau inns thlh VIII
A. Not exactly; 1t was some time Ill the
latter part of August or the first Of September:
O. Who was the gentleman to whom You delivered me
message to Secretary Boutwell, in reference TO MI
Thompsonl A. L. that necessary . . 49,. .,.
O. think it is necessary A. II cannot see now ,nat
caf be OF any Importance If II is not necessary, ae
cline 10 give the name; | would give the haihc ~ ~
SnCG 10 socretaTy Bontwe b If he did give it, do
not see why it is necessary that should give MS haho'
senator stewart-Docs the witness refuse to give mS
the name party by whom he sent this message
hufIh ad IA hp
Senator Howell seems TO me this Is qute IN i T
tant matter You aege hat you se ad made 70 eornp
proposition you, they knew IL and dscuSsen H. ye
and understood A. Well Sir will tel you, II you deem
il important; gave the message to Henry C. Lake ne
wo Icn@ discharged and he was his way to wash
incon to see about it, and gave hun tnis message MS
address, think, is FTedona, Chataugu1 county ~ l.
"A subpoena was ordered FOR MT Lakc'I
GEN PALMER's OPINION OF MR.. MURPHY
Senator Howe-You did not communicate the fact 10
Mr. Murphy A. did not directly; my impression 10 III
had heard it, but that he can say for himself
O. VIII you give some reason why you thought "
mnorant TO the public service to send this information
n be Secretary of the Treasury and not communicate 1t
TO the Coecor2 A. In the first place, the question was
hforc t6e secretary and before the Collectors did
not know that The name sent until after 1t had got
IA the Secretary; in the next place. suppostu hdu
,Snn /" believe that Mr. Murphy would hardly heed
T. Tie last was the real reason was il mott No. sir
I, / had known positively that MI Murphy was gong 70
srud that name at that time, should certainly nave
communicated the fact 10 him. N,
a Rut if Won had known Mr. Murphy was candiu,
fiT,ninded man Won would have communicated III 20
him in the belief that he would recall the namef A.
Very likely. 80 , ..o WILL &, thot
view perhaps that Is correct. , r ..s
senator StewartYOu did not write to the secretary
A. No. Sir. . 49,. ..,,,,,,io fiona IN
,yriiingl A. Well that was a very delicate thing ana
NOT want to have any record there in case ne Sere.
ahouId confirm Mr. Thompson; IL was an unpleasant
matter and will say further have reason 10 be!c
was communicated 10 the secretary maj II ne ae'ie" III
TIE sIzEE CASE.
O. How long have you known Mr. sizcrf A. l thihR