Arizona citizen., 1872-06-08
THE "TALK1 AT GRANT.
Treaty of General O. O. HOwerd and Representative from the Pima and Papago Indians with the Apache Indians at Grant.

l Representatives rom the Timd aHu
 Papago Indians with the Apache
 Indians at Grant.
 CONCLUDED.
 General Howard called upon MT. McC cCaffry, U. $. District Attorney, and Atty. General of the Territory, to give some reasons why the children should not be given up.
 General Howard told the Apaches that MT. McCaffry was U. s. officer, and lived at Tucson.
 McCaffry then said that in regard to these children-when he was re- quested by General Howard to have them returned to where they belonged, he went to see each person, who had them, and represented that their re- latives demanded them, and claimed their return and the U. $. Govern ment required of them that the chil- dren should be delivered up, and re- turned to those to whom they belong ed. They (the people having them) professeG great attachment for the children, and considered them as their own, but said they would deliver them up when required to do so-though it was exactly like giving up their own children, or tearing off 8 portion of their own hearts.
 The Mexicans each asked who had right to take them; and MT. McCaffry had anwered "Their fathers or mothers" He had then arranged with the Mexicans to bring the children here to be identified, and claimed by their fathers and mothers. They pro- fessed a willingness to surrender them to their fathers and mothers, but to no one else. Mr. McCaffry had told them that no one else had right to claim them. He had told them also that General Howard had told him pre- viously, that he General Howard) would not require the return of any of the captives, who had neither father nor mother, in case they were in good hands, and desired to remain, but that they must be at Grant at the conference, and some arrangements would be made for their future dis posal. The General had also said that the Apaches now claimed to be at peace-and were entitled to the rights of those at peace-and one of these rights was the possession of their own children. Under this ar engagement these people had brought the children here; expecting to give them up, If claimed by their fathers and mothers, unless they could make arrangements to keep them; but not expecting to give them up to any one else. Under the law General Howard has no right to give them up to any one but to their parents-they being already in good hands and desiring to remain-especially those that are apprenticed under the laws of the Ter ritory.
 Gen. Howard then asked Antonio (Chief of the Pimas) what he thought about it. Antonio said that it was we'll what the General had said that now they were at peace, let everything therefore be forgotten. He said the children were in good hands, and when they grew up they could come back if they choose. He also had captives among the Apaches, and horse on this Reservation Che here showed on a piece of paper the brand of the horse) but he did not claim them-now that they were at peace. Let them rema1n and the same way with these children. He thought it would be well for Eskevanzin to think as he thought. Let all past differ ences go, and they would go out into the mountains together, and see the other Apaches, that they might all be at peace, as they here were at peace. Antonio said there was a party of Apaches at Four Peaks, that were constantly coming and doing damage. They would go together into the mountains (the Pimas and Apaches) after these -Four Peak Indians. They should all live at peace; and Antonio wanted the Apaches to instruct their children to obey the orders of their officers, as the Pimas do. If Eske- vanzin was not strong enough, he would go with him, with his men, to bring in the bad Indians, and he would get the Maricopas to help; though the latter were small band, they respected him. He himself and his people were once poor, and had no horses or clothing, and nothing to till