New-York tribune., 1872-06-04

DISCTSSTON IN PARLIAMENT -. -no.i -, ,,,,y
NADr IN POrH HOUSES ASKING THE gov
TRytrESr TO WITHDRAW FROM THE ARBl-
ihAliVN' LoNpoN, Monday. June 8, ls72.
Tn the House Of Commons, to-day MI Gladstone
opoloqized for not being able to make dehhl'o
statement with regard to the negotiations Win tno
Irn;ted St,tes as he had promised the House Inc
postponement of the day of adjournment 10y the
Iwqric,n Senate rendered fun explanation lmpos-
s;Jo As for the supplemental article to the Treaty
az Washington he would assure the members that
II did not leave the subject of the indirect claims
rresent or future open for misunderstanding here
after. and In this view Mr.. Schenck, the American
Minister conceded. lie gave an account
of the preceding negotiations ana sao
the suggestion was made that England
should draft an additional article whereby she was
TO make certain agreements for the future ana tno
United States to undertake not to press ''e IN
direct claims. This suggestion was accepted anu
acted OH. The difficulty which had since arisen did
not touch the main point.
Mr.. DisraeH called attention to the fact that the
Premier had omitted to state whether arbitration
was 70 proceed on the 18th instant. Mr.. Gladstone
renlied that this date had been kept carefully IN
view in the negotiations.
Mr.. Horsman put the following question; has
the Government any reason to suppose that the
United States Government is inclined TO witnuIa"
from Secretary Fishs position that concessions rom
England must precede any settlement u MI Olad-
stone replied: "The understanding is that the
United States make claim touching indirect
damages at Geneva These words Her Majesty
Government believes bear but one meaning,
and in that Mr.. Schenck agrees with u.s.
Mr. Osborne considered that the explanations
amounted to nothing. The House and the country
were not satisfied. He hoped q distinct declaration
ho ad Government Tnat,
unless the indirect claims were fully, fairly ana
Immediately withdrawn, Great Britain would refuse
to proceed with arbitration. Cheers
Mr. Bouverie said he had heard the statement OF
the Premier with alarm. He hoped the Government
would not accept Minister Schencks verbal aSsur-
apce ViscOunt Bury gave notice that be should move
an address to the Queen similar to that OF Larl
Russell in the House of Lords, for the with
drawal Of Great Britain from the arbitration unless
the indirect claims abandoned by the Omted
States. Mr.. Wyndham inquired whether care had
been taken that indirect claims should not be raised
Mr.. Otway said they had been warned OF the danger
of fresh engagements with the United States, and he
wanted to know whether any new engagements had
been made OF accepted by the Government. Mr. u.
b. Gregory, member for East Sussex, begged to know
if the Government had the assurance OF the Anell-
can Minister Mr. Schenck in writing.
To the latter question Mr.. Gladstone answered
"NoD He added that honorable members seemed to
think that some price had been paid the United
States for Withdrawing the indirect claims
This impression was erroneous. He explained
ut some length the word consideration
which he admitted was used in the supplemental
article; but the consideration was a covenant be-
tween two nations for the future and was reciprocal
He declined TO discuss the question OF pressing the
withdrawal of the Indirect Claims while negotia-
f,o l.vria4 a4af he
In the House of Lords Earl Granville also made
o statement with regard to the condition of the
negotiations with Washington. Communications,
he said, continued to be exchanged, but with
out result, and it was impossible to predict
what the result would be. The lawyers OF
the Crown had concluded that there
was no difference of opinion between the
two nations touching the withdrawal of the indi-
rect claims. The only point in dispute was to en-
gagements for the future. He aware of the DIFF
fculties of the moment and hoped they would be
overcome
Earl Russell said the time had come when plain
words were desirable and he gave notice that he
should tomorrow press his motion for address to
the Queen for the withdrawal of Great Britain from
Arbitration. Lord Cairns denounced the supple
mental article pregnant with danger. Lord West
bury was severe on the Government for sheltering
themselves under the Crown lawyers.
In the course of the evening the Marquis Of Hart
ford inquired whether it was true that the band OF
the Grenader Guards had been ordered to the United
States to attend the Boston Jubilee. The Marquis
of Lansdowne replied that such orders had been
issued with the sanction of the Queen aud the Com
mander-in-Chief. The Duke of Richmond declared
that more irregular proceeding had never been
sanctioned.
Earl Granville defended the act, saying it was
proper to show the good win of the country toward
America while the Treaty was hanging in the bal
ance. England had only emulated Russia, Austria,
Prussia and other powers in similar acts Of fcoutesy.