The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-06-05
TELEGRAM TO THE NEW YORK HERALD.

TELEGRAM TO THE NEW YORK HERALD.
LONDON, June A. 1872.
In the House Of Lords this evening there was a
full attendance OF peers, and the galleries were
crowded.
Earl Russell moved his long impending address to
The Queen, praying Her Majesty to cause instruc-
lions 10 De given to her representatives to retire
rom the Board OF Arbitration at Geneva II the
claims nor indirect damages are not Withdrawn by
the government OF the United States Earl
Russell spoke at great length In sup
port OF his motion. He reviewed the
events OF the war In the United States
and the circumstances OF the escape OF the Ala
bama, and discussed the subsequent negotiations.
The government, he said, should remember that
England never admitted the justice OF the Indirect
claims. What was the meaning OF this delay this
mystery, this hesitation The nation was
In the Same stare OF uncertainty as when
enc treaty was ratified. The honor Of the
government required that it should speak plainly.
should say to the United States, withdraw the in
direct claims or no arbitration. There was no form
pr extravaganza which was not to be found in the
American case. He held the English negotiators
tesponsible. Hc contrasted the conduct OF the
British government in relinquishing the Fenian
claims with that OF the American government in
advancing Its indirect claims. This country must
feel Inundated by the manner in which the nego-
tiat0rs had msmanaged the business He compli-
mented the Canadians on the loyal spirit in which
they had acted on the treaty. and concluded as fol-
l0ws:-"The nation must show, as IL has before,
that 1t is Jealous of the honor Of the British Crown
N must treat the United States II treated them in
tie Trent case.n (Cheers.)
Earl Granville followed. He defended the right
Of the American government to place its own con-
structlon the Treaty OF Washington and to intro
Avvoa fhot vNAfr r1oipn ThA o.
from the consequences Of the opposite, tnterpreta-
lions put upon the treaty by the two governments
was through supplemental article, and Of this the
government had availed itssif therefore Earl Rus
seus proposition atA not touch the point
at Issue: HA defended the Commissioners
EDo negotiated the treaty, those who acted
f0f tho United States as well as those who acted
for Great Britain. twas all very well to pick holes
in treaty which when first published was gener.
ally approved. The British Commissioners believed
the indirect claims would be withdrawn and they
believed that the American Commissioners had 30
admitted. The aspersions on the government and
the Commissioners were unfounded and unjust
he rebuked Earl Russell for his allusion to the Trent
AFFAIR, declaring that 1t would be the cause Of meal
culable tll-feeling Should the Treaty Of
washington fall an event by no means
certain, England would stand the better for
having exhausted the means Of removing the
Misunderstanding. The government had been
legally advised that the supplemental article was
amply SUFFICIENT. II their lordships arrogated to
themselves the treaty-making power they would
have an enormous responsibility. they required
the President Of the United States to do that which
MI Dtsraeli said in his Manchester speech was I'M
possible for him 10 90, they would destroy oil
chances Of settiement He Warned their lord
ships that there was no good, but much harm in
irritating expressions and resolutions.
Earl Grey remarked that II the negotiations pro-
ceeded as at present the country would be CON-
Ipitted to any mistake the government made.
= Lord Denman thought their lordships were need
tessly alarmed Even II the indirect claims were
passed, he doubted whether the Commons would
pay the bill. ''Fs " 'sS''
The Earl OF Derby disclamed party feeling on this
question. He had been told that he should
be careful not to offend the Americans.
He could conceive Of no poorer compli-
ment to the Americans than the apprehension
that frank, plain statement might be a cause Of
offence. (Cheers.) He did not want to quarrel or
break or negotators. He wanted to know where
they stood. The negotiations were either unable
TO see what Yves plain to everybody or had deter
mined to make treaty with their eyes shut. If
the understanding Is clear that the indirect claims
are excluded, why are they not excluded in plain
terms, (Cheers). . 5..i.,A s-,.s.v. ="
The Earl Of Kimberley regretted that Lord Gran
Vile had constituted himself an American advo-
cate He seemed to be under the impression that
the House had determined that the treaty should
Fall, and the real object and spirit OF his speech
WAS It's defence. He must know that words
whereby the indirect claims would be directly with
drawn could be inserted In the treaty with the con-
sent Of the American government.
: The Marquis OF Salisbury regretted that Earl
thrnU on I,
High Joint Commissioners. He particularly alluded
TO the selection the government had made Of Com
missioners for Great Britain. and limited that they
had been overmatched by the astute Yankees. He
confessed he had no very active regard for the
treaty, and declared his unmitigated hostility to the
indirect claims. He ridlcued the idea that the
Americans, II they felt they ought to withdraw the
indirect claims, would not plainly do so.
The debate was continued by the Earl OF Malmes.
bury ip favor q the motion and the Marquis Of
Rpoh against It. - 20
Lord WRsTBURY announced that ne would vote
with the government, because II the motion OF Earl
Russell prevailed 1t would kill the supplemental
Article and destroy all that had already been done.
The Earl Of RosEBERRY said he should follow the
example Of Lord westbury, believing that the mo.
tion would crush any tendency on the part OF tho
United states to give way. $50. Dr.
/ Lord Cairns supported the motion. He did not
think 1t would cndanger cordial relations with
America. He assailed with bitterness the treaty,
she negotiations and the government. He was re-
peatcdly interrupted by Lords Granville and Ar
gyle. The debate became quite exciting, and there
were some lively scenes.
Tne Lord Chancellor moved an adjournment, and
Earl Granville, supporting the motion, character
lied the speech OF Lord Cairns as the speech OF an
advocate.
After some confusion the motion to adjourn was
ncgatived by the vote OF IS to 1875
An adjournment was again moved this time
until Thursday, which was agreed to and the ait.