The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-03-16

OF September | was 10 New YORK aud they saa they
had failed and asked me To 90 ana see Tweed:
went 70 nm solely for the purpose Of seeihg II
Gould obtain the Accommodations for them which
tney wanted; after talking with Tweed about for
Aiow these men; do Know you; II yon want ten,
nlteen or twenty thousand dollars you eau have
y, am you can let them nave IT; would ratier 90
lnat IMAM nave any dealings with lhem: was weak
enough to assent 10 III Tweed wrote u note himself;
National Bank, as | remember payable 10 my
order; endorsed the check over 10 Cnamberlaln,
that gave Tweed II is dated PIN September isTo;
tliat was the date OF that transactloA it note
! West Fifteenth street, New YORK; that is me place
q! business OF these IneA.
Here witness gave gr, at deal OF testimony about
| Small. MATTERS OF NO IMPORTANCE.
AZ to Tweed ana Barber seeing INN he testified
William NJ. Tweed dunn the time thai was IN the
senate IN ls,c; only knew Barner ~ sisat |
| priVa.e consultation with him nor With any other
lobby agent, or w'tn any oiheI person directly OF
the charter was, Whether right or wrong in pnriu-
ance OF canvass ol tie rcpeoic IN Sena-
i ios senat Tore ' Soed aztec e1 s noe '' w.;
| given to Tweed / never voted for any
them II knew they wefe mss There never has
been since nave been to the lepisiainre any es.s
aware OIL nor has any oricer oil that ROAD eVe! az
pr0dcheu e on the sbje OF any e9 is!ative action;
mr.. Bur-. the agent OF inc Enahsh stoeknuldtfs a.
understood came TO me ana desired ny a,d in the
Passage 81 oil 10 fepca the classification act;
told Lhat 1aNUr Oh It's repeal and would
vote Tor 10 II wOald get tie bill before the senate;
he wanted TO know how ne should do II: told him
he must 20 10 some member oil tic majority, ana
Recommended him 10 senator Ilarden0urgh: that
was the only Time ever talked wn ANY men III
regard TO Erie legislation; wnat Mr. BUR- said was
entirely proper and right; voted against Inc iwo
! Per Cent Oil; supported the Code amendments,
but not any soeh bin AZ went TO the Governor; The
history OF nat IL this The Code amendments were
reporc Gil the last days OF the session; 1t passed The
House; the pi can be seen; 1t contained no M
usual provisions; il pa .sed the Senate and Went
| back TO the House; IL came bse1 Win section
| which provided that
| NO APPEALS FHom the GENERAL AND SPECIAL
TERMS
should be enectua unless secnrity was given, In
the Court or Appeals; 10 that was opposed and
because That was IN moved TO noil.concuf ana "A
COMMITTEES OF conference: that committee oi con-
ference was appointed ana was on II; we went
| into conferences the House receded from thar
amen ment; there were one or wo amendments
proposed by the Attorney General, which were
agreed TO- and III that form the bill was to be rca
dered the CHARM an OF the House comlitee iilr.
| Fields took the bi and amendments, which wers
| on slips OF paper, 10 draw the report; lie
drew tue report and brought 1t 10 me lust at the
| close of the session, while was engaged ~ another
committee OF conference; glanced It over nastiy,
saw nothing that was not rieht, anu s@ned II; dd
any interest in anything that was in that Dil
not tell whether lc was altered after At was passed
that did NOT see the provisions that were in the
bl when II when IT went before the Governor.
tlIere the witness went TO explain away the
her the check transaction ana deposits, as regards
Chamberlain, were drawn anu made.)
THAT wHIsKEy BUSINESS
stands IN your name? A. Yes sly, and all the
| property as security for advances.
q. what proportion is owned by yon ana what by
chamberlain IN ONT Of iacs1 A: There was an
profits are made Out OF II we are 10 divide equally
ultimately.
I. Are you 10 Divide the stock Ultimately A.
| had nothing 10 do about the stock.
! Q. Irat was all plocurea by meansot 'nam9cr-
tercst very much in this nlaitcr; wanted 60 get
! him goingaf could.
q. Bv M. Alen-Did you keep any bank account
in any other banks except this Bowling Green Bank
and the tennessee Valley BANK a: None ~ all.
! q. did you nave any other bank account III any
other New YORK city bank A. None at all.
| Q. Did you borrow any other large amounts OF
money ofany Individuals during the years 1870 and
I q. ! mean as much as So ooo' A. I'ponowea no
money Of anybody except tlese sums; there IS one
nominations Tor county officers In our county Ia
vored
pEckER FOR COUNTY JUDGE;
was Chairman Of the County Central Committee:
he was nominatedi l was away great tteai Oh the
as / was able and opportunity occurred used All
my influence TO aud pes. cndeavors to secure the
the detection OF a man VINO was a candidate Tor
member OF Assembly IN sprlngwater and Jailed 10
BUSINESS ness and to fhe activity Of powerful and
wealthy family OF Melcnr, or which Samuel ID.
Faulkner was one. the democratic oandiaaLe ,Or
County Judge; also TO the detection OF the friends
| OF Judge Hubbard.
IThe remainder OF the Senator's testimony re.
lated entirely to the election In this district,l
Testimony or Waiter Roche.
! Walter Roche, being sworn testified, among other
! things that he and Mr. Tweed were very friendly
| ana knew each o'her very Intimately; was mcn-
used to operate 10 some extent in real estate, AMI
| have borrowed money from him ut different times
| o. DID you ever nave any conversation with ,ir.
Tweed IN relation TO the action OF meMoer OF me
| A. / think not, but may nave mad.
@. DID you with anybody else at tina, time? A.
have been strict business man. and always 100
mn
O. Blu. whenever you saw Senator Tweed did you
not discuss these snbjectsY 4. don't think nave,
executing general conversation
O. Were you never informed by anybody that
members Of the Legislature were paid money or
other consideration, except bare argument, TO III
duce them 10 support this or that measure9 A. |
think have prt cannot say by whom; not by any
individual that now nave any recollection Of
O. Did not you know that it was claimed that
during the pas, TWO legislative sessions which would
include only the last Senate OF 1870 and 1871, did
you not know from information from any source
fhat members OF either House or Senate were paid
| money for their votes upon different measures
| o. NY, SUPERVISOR ROCHE
| A. No, sir; might nave had conversation and
| such information as might come from the reports;
| we nave had nothing but sucn reports, ana 1t was
tine universal topic OF conversation the frauds or
al descriptions and nature, particularly during the
| whose testimony would be worth anything IN re-
| q. Now Mr.. Roche have been told Il don't
know how true 1t Is; find there Is not great deal
OF credit 10 he given to everything l have been
statement or copy made ID one way or auotner--I
was told 1t was IN cipher-of list or Senator's to
| whom money had'been paid ana the amounts which
were paid TO each; have you seen SUCH list? A.
have heard that there was such an account but have
! never seen 1t.
| @. Have you ever been told by any body the names
OF Senators OF the amounts Of money rald TO them
| A. Not mat am aware OF may have heard some.
| thing In general conversations; am quite certain
that have never had the names OF Senator'S.
! BEAvENsl OF COURSE NOT!
| O, Did anybody ever tell you mat large amounts
OF money had been paid to SENATOR'S A. Not
otherwise than In general way; by no person TO
my knowledge.
q. Have you ever seen any such record9 A. No,
sir.
O. Or any one connected with that firm or asso.
| ciatIOnY A. No, sir.