New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1872-11-15

well, very plausble-this saving of the Englsh biso-
ran Let us anayze 10 little During the Wars OF the
Roses between the houses OF YORK ami Lancaster which
preceded nc Reformation In England, many English
anu AhgioN ornan families went over from Ireland 10
England ana joined the conflict. II English
question ana an English war. and the consequence was
my hunters OF the English settlers retired from Ire
land aud left their estates-abandoned them entirely.
OShers again. from disgust, besause they had large
III pues preferred t. i've IN their own country
ano retired run Ireland to live in England, so that
Nnen henry VIII came 20 the throne OF England there
remained within the boundaries of the Pale onChalf OF
LOuth, Yves, Meath. Dublin Wicklow and Wexford
HsO1n,uB more Henry accor lng 70 Mr. Froqde per
IuItu great aet ot Jnstce no TOOK from these Az
sentees their estates, and gave them-tO whOmi To
Now. the historical fact is this That tho Irish people,
soon she English retired and abandoned
rcposseFsed themselves OF their property. Mark.
euds that even the Irish people had no title % that
il gave them sufficient title bona ret'cI strf priBS
c1pieHiitts-tincs that are abandoned belong TO the
was title Irish people to that land because H.
was their own because they were uujusty dLspossessed
therefore they came in with twofod title namely, the
land ours because there Is nobody 10 claim b. and even
ours, and We never lost Ourr right Co IT, tApphdsel
HoLIOYNIss OF HENEYs REFoRM ACIs
That Order rcgucd IN Ireland. am the frs. O. 40
nit but in tracing that back, claim that the case was
not IN any Inherent love for disorder IN the Irish char
acter. They always ready 10 dSht grant laugh
teri but hold and claim that tho great cause OF all the
disorder aud turmoil Of Ireland the stIan &c aud in
coherent lelslIon OF England TOR 400 years previous
The lords M Ireland iO-tered ana kept up
usluIbdActs ih the country ih OlCI 10 toil tue pal
ment OF fines and penalties imposed by the Government
surrey aud tried the strong hand for time,
0ut, brave ana E9od General az ne was ne IOhnu tHe
Irish too formidable for him. and be sent word 10 Henry
them utterly ana ts you VIII not ne ape TO 40 because
the country too large. and because tue country - 50
geographic ally fixed that IL IS impossible for an army %
penetrate MS tstuesses Henry tuereioI toOA un the
policy OF Cancellation because he could not help IT, Ap
One passage in Surveys correspondence speaks
volumes He declares that the troubles were raised not
SOL hV he rf1n chi lN Al %
lords M Ireland lApPhuseI There were Two chei5 81
Red Mccarthy He writes that these two men,
and more cOulOrmabe To order than some of our own
people" Thus out the mouth OF one Of bterest
enemies Ike the answer Mr. Fr0udes repeated
scrtOn thai the Irish disrtrry and such lovers OF
turmoil and that their only way reduce us 10
OrderI TO sweepus away altogether Re then recommends
setting Chief against chef, the ODOnuch against the
ONeil, and says cit would bee dIngerui 10 have them
both ana join together" IL would Dee dangerous
EnCland. Wen may Mr. Froude say that IN the day
When We freshmen are united We sdd De uNh!colf. ana
no power on eaitn 3haA hcsg Us save; l1reAt at
Wausei surrey continues: "Ihr Iohs tltA continue
here" That letter shows the spirit which mArAs tue
1t does not sneak or the Irish tie Kings subjects
Let them Slaughter one another ne longer they are 40
be for the EuEsh Hearty legislation, hearty law. iu-
tended only 10 protect the new settler aud eNterminate
General OF King james l. tuat TINS pnrpose lay at
the root OF an Elsands legislation for Ireland Tor 400
ENGLISH WARS IN IRELAND.
M FrOude claims credit for Henry Tor having tried
home rule Ireland AMI says after giving them the op
portunIty 90 govern themselves he compelled to
TAKE the whip and drive them WHAT kind Of home rule
this Home rule means that we should manage our
own afTirs anu make our own law-it this
thing Henry made the Earl Of Kildare, Norman MS
Lord Ii uteYaut, or Deputy in l6l- That was al; lie
never said: "E ect your Parliament, make your laws,
and lf they are just will support them
He did not call upon the Irish cncidlns-the natural
Representatives OF the nauunule imenun whose VEINS
flowed D. God of the OBren. ONci Mccarthy, Moore
or me OCO-or aasehoS "' mae tliv Nv M.a.
levied an army anu began To make war on the IRISH.
Then the SOlm-ns quarreled among tDemseiV es-ihe
49, t ~ INV ~, 6ave hen i'm treasonah a com
muncaton. with Francis l. be KING Of France, III
he wa. for the th1 time called 10 answer for his CON
dc 10 Henry ami W lie conf Icd ia the tower his son
sken Thomas declared war N his behalf against the
In all thesc qaarrels, with the exception Of three
petty chiefs the IRISH chietans TOOK uo part yeI hg
vengeance OF the KING against hls rebel subject Tea
heavily upon tie btsh people. The whole province or
Munster and great part o. L-in5.er was raFaSed Dg
people sudtre from the eii 'cis Of tuIs qIarr-..
IRELASD's ALLEGED APosrAcr.
And now, NY friends Mr. FrouIe went on in his lee
ture TO give proof u t1e great love that the Irish
people had for Harry the Eighth. be says that they
were so fcud Of this King mat they actually, at the
Kings request, threw the Pope overheard NOW. MI
Froude as much as enam0red Of your glorious
hero Harry, were not 80 enauursd OF hu as 10 give
mp the Pope a. hlm tAppausel what are Tue facts oi
J
Pope which ended in mis- denying the authority aLd Jhe
suprenacy Of The Head OF tuc Catholic Church He then
the first Archbishop 0f DuDun. He was au EngI-hnl3n
by the nam. %. George Brown. he sent him over %
follow tne wake OF England and 20 throw the Pope
overheard Hc called tos tner ne bishops Oh Tue C4tno
lie Church uud ssid % .ucm; 1Ou must change your
ae gauce, give up the Pope and iaAe Henry hing VI
me Arc6tj.Iop OF Armagh ma tne,e days was an En-
giislmau by tue name Of CrOm IIe moment ne heaf9
the mans word, lie rose mp IA IN, SouhsA bVd9 aHI
q % u hath a1T ttlf IL ID
ue, 81 C 49,, tTe,J 80 The C1urcIl" Applause The
Brown wrOle "a most u-uDuOus letter nome To Lls pro
tsctor Thomas Cromwell. telling INN he can make
r,,,,o ~ these me-, Die Ind thaI he would return
England, only he wac AFRAID Inc hing "o~'" nave HIS
Three wears later however. Brown andthe Lord Dep
Uty summoned the Parliament OF 1911 WhcA acco. vhk
10 Mr. Fr0ude, threw the people overheard Inc three
Pr tor, from each catholic diocese IN Ireland who sal
n the House of Commons were deprived Wheh Tue TdI-
lameat met, Of their seats That was the nrst thl1g
helr Xcifsiou AID then partly by buDes aud partly
y threats, TINS nOmIn % Parliament Wlthlh Tue EhE.lsi
slle composed Of delegates from the rotten ltte
Irurs tt surround Dun IN, agr cd 90 take the oath
20 Henry VIII the Head Of the church ahu tns MI
FrO.de calls the apOstacy Of the Irish nation. 800 .,,
Witl what strange want Of know .edge-for can can
&c nothing cse-our learned gentlemah eAIr-es LA
Ireland remained CdlOhc ana asserts 'st eo saw W
the POt-i Laughter
TIE POPE NOT THROWN Overheard
He says the why they refused TO take the same
oath % Elizabeth that she insisted mat Io oa1h
bould be taken for ProesaD religion as well a. Tor
the Supremacy. Now, answer Mr. trouue al once W
set him right this point. - g.
me CtROhc Church teaches always that no man Is
catholic VINO does not give obedience 70 tie Pope Oh
Roue ApulauseI To pretend, therefore, 20 mat mat
the III IA ueape we're sg ignorant that tlef
could throw the Pope overheard and stH remain
catholic is 10 offer the genius and intelligence OF ire
Iand a gratnitOus insult lApplauseI IL Us true that
some eight OF the bishops apOstauLed out OF so many
hundreds aud Mr.. FrOude turns around quietly and
calmly and tells that The IRISH bishops priests anu
peODe threw the Pope overheard. lLiughterI -,
As 10 his assertion that the bishops OF IIednu at tas
day were immoral men and had ianlles answer lncI
-Ifrttu In ~
~ red fine history OF Ireland. national, ciyIl and
-c.loa.sffe.f far Il. nowhere have seen