The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-07-20

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down. She went ON 10 remark that man logged
for brutally treating women would only be made
more brutal; and fhc had dishonored himself by
violence and crime IL was wrong 20 dislionor MN
further. Instead of standing hoioro the cell door
OF a prisoner and telling him he was brute she
would tell him he wls Goi'arhild.
In addition Ia the Interchange os opinions NJ the
Congress there Is an active interchange OF ntcra-
turc going on.
Fourth Days Business.
Yesterday the fourth meeting Of the Congress
took place In the hall of the Middle Temple Baron
Mackay (Hol and I'm the chair. Archbishop Nam
ming. Sir J. PakIngton, NJ T.; Nr. Ecnnaway, NJ r. (;
sr. Hilbert, NJ p, and sir J. Bowling were among
NJ. BERpEN Belgium) moved that doputatlon
OF two delegates from each nation should wait upon
Mr.. Bruce, The Home Secretary, and thank him in
the name OF tire Congress for attending on Sarur-
day, and also for the information he had given and
the facilities he mad offered to foreign delegates for
inspecting the 60 -errment prisons.
NJ poLs tfIoliandl seconded the motion. which
was carried unanimously.
TREATMENT OF EEcoSvIcrED PRISONERS.
NJ. PETERSON tBavaria) then opened the question,
"Ought prisoners on reconviction to be subjected
to more disciplinary treatment than their lrst
NJ. Stevens Belgium), CONT sollohub (sussia)
Dr. Gutaune lswitzerand), the Count de Foresta
Qtaiy, DR.. Bittenger Pennsyvania), Mrs. Ward
lowe lNsw Yorsl and NJ =; Robin lFrancel took
strongly advocated q mild and Christian treatment
OF reiapsed prisoners.
Prison LABoR---pENAL OR INDUSTRIAL.
The next subject brought under consideration
was the important one OF prison labor which was
introduced by Mr. FREDERIC HILL in the following
should 1t he industrial !" Mr.. Hin strongly adj
vocated the principle OF prison industrial labor,
discipline to society, provide resource for the
support OF the prisoner or his family and would
not tend to lower the wages OF persons occupied in
the same kind OF work out OF prison.
Major FULroRD stafford County PRISON., strong
ly advocated the maintenance OF strict penal disci
drunkard was ever reformed by moral agencies.
he was OF opinion that the prison should be made
terror to evil doors.
General PIIIsBURy albany, said that he had cx-
periencc OF prison labor IN Connecticut ana in
Albany, and he had tho highest opinions of Its
funeas. In Connecticut it paid $780, 600 above the
expenses and In Albany $2oOo0o. In moral
point OF view the result was equally satisfactory.
DR.. WINES said that Count sollchub superin-
tended a large prison In MOSCOW containing some
two or three thousand prisoners, ana he adopted IN
1t the principle olindustral prison labor The result
Mr. G nispHnr N. T., was in favor of Industrial
labor where 1t could be carried ont. But he thought
industrial labor and penal labor should be COM
bned. Hear, hear.) The sentences were some
times short that 1t would be impossible to teacr
industrial trades within the time. That was found
which no was acquainted, and which paid ali its
expenses except the salaries Of the officers. Tread
mill labor ought to be associated with industrial
labor.
DR.. MowATT, in translating the remarks OF Mr..
HILBERT, said he could find no equivalent in French
for the word trcadmill.
Sir J. BowRING obse we'd that 1t was strange there
was no word In the French language to translate
the word treadmill, which might be better called
the 'work wastcr," or an instrument for doing
nothing or doing mischief. IL was the creation OF
thoughtiess generation, and ought to exist no.
II. VAN XasrEi. HollandD was opposed to all
penal systems and favored the principle Of remu-
neratve prison labor, because 1t was advantageous
to the prisoner and TO the State.
Colonel CoLvIILE Governor OF Coldbath Fields
Prison) said he had an experience OF eighteen
daily experience Of the treadm system stem and he
had never known men to be made better by 1t. On
the contrary the treadmill made men hate work all
trades In COdbath Fields Prison, and the profits
were several thousands year. Besides, the
treadmll worked uncqually on different cOnstitu-
tions.
N. STEVENS (Belgium) refused to treat the ques-
ton as one of pounds, shilDngs and pence. The
question at issue was the moral Improvement Of
the criminal. (tiear, hear
DIR. MowATT said his fifteen years. experience Of
Is IN nr na was ene IN aso o OF nS
from the use OF the treadnill. All systems Of that
kind produce mischief and injustice and were con-
trary to tile principles OIL human nature. During
the fifteen years that he was connected with the
prisons OF India f5o0 900 had been realized from the
The Cn fu on the pr Of pr frev the repre-
sentative Of Austria, stated that the Industrial sys
tenn was the rule In the Austrian prisons. He also
remarked that there were four other questions on
the programme and that 1t was necessary to bring
to conclusion the present discussion. Some gem
account OF it, Importance, but the suggestion was
not accepted.
PRISON MANAGERS AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF
PRISONS.
NJ. Loys0N (France) then opened the discussion
on the following subject :"iIow far should the Wis.,
itng justices Oh boards OF prison managers control
the administration Of prisons ~ He said that in
France the boards OF surveillance had power Of in
power Of interfering with the executive discipline p
OF the prison.
NJ. vAuoHFn CREMrEux described the action Of
the boards OF managers In Switzerland, which was
much the same as in France.
INTERNATIONAL PRISON STATISTICS.
fhnrV n.Jn t<t
the following question Ills It desirable to estab
sh international statistics and II so, how may this
DEITRANi SCALA Qtaly). The speaker advocated
the expedlency OF collecting ana communicating
such statistics, and the speakers who followed eX
Mr.. LEONE LEVI suggested that the subject should
be referred to small cOinr6ittee who would report
to the Congress, and that the result should be COM
municatad to the Statistical International Society
which was about to assemble In st. Petersburg
TREATMENT or JUVENILE OFFENDERS.
The noXt subject for discussion was, "Wbat is the
treatment likely to be most effective for -, renr
nation of Juvenile OiYende--ccs..
MISC CARPENTER, who sss. =. 10 ,,iave read a papcr
on tins suGo".., sad that she had not brought the
Pup'' With her, because she did not think tho sub.
Ject could be properly discussed ut the hate hour It
was to be brought on. She would therefore post
pone the reading of the paper to the meeting at
the Society OF Arts on Thursday, and would merely
on that occasion give summary Of 1t. Miss Car
pentcr then described the result Of the juvenile re.
iormatory schools with which she was acquainted,
aud concluded In the midst of general applause.
Mr. j. a. FOoTE (Ohio) said they had precisely the
same description OF family rcformatory schools as
had been described by Miss Carpenter, in America,
and they had succeeded admirably.
NJ WATCHER CRENIErx Switzerland) advocated
the principle OF juvenile rciormatores as striking
at the root OF the evil. At Mettray, In Belgium,
the principle worked admirably.
Me-. A. y. HENDRlCKsoN Washington said the
system OF juvenile discipline worked we'll In
America.
NJ " BouRNAr (Frapce) and Mr. MARSHAL Mid
dlcsex) continued the discussion.
GOVERNMENT OF PRISONS BY CENTRAL AUTHORITY.
Mr.. HASTINGS introduced the only remaining sub
lect on the programme, "Ought the government Of
prisons to be placed wholly in the hands OF one
central authorityY' lie did not think they had in
this country arrived at the point at which they
ought to establish one central authority. Perhaps
IL might be different in other countries, and ne
should like to hear the views Of OF the foreign
delegates.
M. VAN AMsTEr said that the administration OF
prisons in Holland was WHOLLY under the cont,o oil OF
the Minister OF Justice, but that system had some
Inconvenience.