The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1872-06-19
Legislative Proceedings.



preparation Bill, but where is the remedy. We hAv
none, and must submit to It there is remedy il
this country, but there Is in otbS countries. Bu
some say you imPeaeh the Minister if be does no
do bis duty. Yes but what is an impeachment? Il
this Assembly perfect farce The Representatives
may imPeaeh, but what is their power in this House
whun the Minister comes before the MOBILES his Actioni
are endorsed BY them. So we can easily that i'm
parchment in this country brought down to pretty
fnc point.
Mr. A. F. Judd thought that the Ministers were
bound carry the intention Of the Appropriation
Bill, and 1t not for them to decide whether an i'm
provencni should be made OF not when specific
sun was appropriated for particular purpose. II
the Ministry allowed to do they pleased with
the Appropriation Bill and transfer item an
other suit their views, was frequently the
case, and wholly ignore expenditures which did not
meet with their approval, he could the in
talking over items to 20 in the Bill be expended
not At the option Of the Ministry.
lis Ex the Attorney General said be was sorry
thar the Minister Of the Interior absent during
this discussion, but be no doubt busy attending
70 his duties as President Of the Board OF Health.
The question was, Should $4,000 be expended on
appropriation If Il would do the work, but as 1t
uncertain, be doubted the propriety Of inserting
the item in the Appropriation Bill This mat.
ter had been previously considered by the Legisa-
tive Assembly and had been the subject of survey,
report, dc, 10 the House, and according to the
estimates $4,000 was the least ii could be done for
iaud perhaps not less than $50 OOo) and was 1t
pe5ied that the Minister OF the Interior going
10 waste $4,000 in accomplishing uoihings sucha
course would be waste OF money. If the House
were anxious TO economic it ought to deliberate,
and not be so hasty In throwing away such large
sums Of money. Before making such large appro-
prations the House ought 10 have the figures before
them. II the Minister should spend the money
called for and accomplish nothing, be would cou.
slider that he failed in his duty. BE was anxious
a. anyone to see good road over the Pail, but be
thought the present revenue OF the country was not
sufficient 10 guarantee much money for such
object To spend $4,000 upon the Pail road would
b. like throwing the money into the sea- as $4,000
would accomplish nothing, and then there would
have to be appropriated $4,000 or $4,000 more TO
carry out the work H. considered il foolish to en-
bark in such enterprise unless the facts and
figures were before the House
Mr.. C L. Judd: The Attorney General says it /
pend it on the PAIL as SEQ 900 would not accomplish
tie work, and we would then ask for more I
maintain that the road be built with the sum .
asked Tor; and this sum ought to have been tx
pended during the past two years as ordered in the
Appropriation Bill If it should be inadequate 10
build the road as contemplated, why should We not .
ask for more money? Would not this road be
great public benefit and increase the value OF land
- cid nF he Tslau Tnrr sL ha
Attorney General about the new Government build,
ings: Did not the last Assembly grant 10000 for
that purpose. and now they ask for $4,000 to com
plete themY 1t was the same with the Post-ofice;
the Ministry came in aud asked for more than was
originally appropriated, to finish the building with
They talk Of having survey of the Pail, and esi-
mating the cost of making the road this is all
nonsense. They drove up there one afternoon, had
4 view Of the Pail then came in town and said that
the road could be built for less than $500 or
probably more. ! submit it to the House-what
value can be placed upon a report made under such
Mr.. A. F. Judd said that for one he would not 20
any further on the Appropriation Bill unless the
Ministry would state whether not they were going
to expend the money as specified IN the Bill, and
that be was not going TO vote bliudly because the
Ministry recommended it.
Mr.. Hitchcock fndorsed the remarks made by the
last speaker, aud said that be, for one wanted the
money spent as called for in the Appropriation Bill;
hat the Minister of the Interior had no right to
transfer appropriations as he had; it was perfect
Jolly to vote sums Of money and then have the Min
ster Of Interior eKpend them according TO his dis
,rction. II the Ministers have the power 10 do as
hey please with these appropriations, there was no
lee in voting anything at ALL as they seem to spend
ust what they see it, 1t has been said that We were
wild and reckless in ouT'appropHatons This is the
aut Of the Ministry. A member leaves this Assem-
by and goes home TO bis constituents tells them be
Jas done thus and So aud got so much money for
improvements in their district but they see nothing
{ the fruits Of his labor because, forsooth the
iinster happens to entertain the idea that such
UNI or sums ought not to be expended, and trans
ars the money to some hobby of his Own, and it is
cry natural that the next Representatives should
ote extrayagantly in the hope of getting something
the Appropriation Bill carried out faithfully
ten by item, the Assembly would know wbst to a
xpeet and, as L consequence, would be more a
economical and much more deliberate. But what !.
aims are they going to take If the Ministry upset
be result OF their deliberations whenever they see
~ Il Is not the Minister'S business as Executive s
Dcer, TO such wide discretion in carrying out
be directions of the Appropriation Bill He should
isburse just what was appropriated, and if the sum
'as insufficient misapplied, the House could see
The Representatives were not inclined TO g
ytruvagance, but what was the use in asking &
,r money if the Cabinet Ministers had the power d
T vetoing our legislationg .
Mr.. Kupakee spoke against the item, as he thought
he finances Of the Kingdom were too low to war .
mt any such expenditure
Mr.. Mikalemi spoke against the item, and favored
lie remarks in regard to the Ministry aud the
er in which they treated the Appropriation Bill.
Mr. Kekoa was in favor Of the item, as the road
ould not only be a great public convenience, but
ould materially enhance the value of lands on the
.her side Of the Island.
Mr.. Kabananui was not in favor of making such
extrayagant appropriation when the country had Z
ieh large debt on its shoulders.
His FIX. C. c. Harris said he very much pleased =
what fell from the honorable members from Hilo
ID Honolulu. 1t is matter if some of the re-
arks were eouched 10 terms Of reproof, it was
ieering hear them speak of the responsibility of
lis House in making appropriations, and he wished =
assure the House that any remarks which may be
ade will be cheerfully received by this side of the
ouse.
Ii Of national benefit that all public works should
carried out 10 the best advantage As regards the