The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1872-02-25

spscined o. 'misoellaneous' Protestant instltu
tions and therefore come under the head OF Secta-
ran" TO which You object.
examined ali the institutions 70 which YOU refer. i
did not foot up, oy the way, the benevolent instu
lions, sucn as smallpox hospitals, dispensaries or
REroRrER-But md that, in regard 10 the pa
rocnial schools belonging TO the churches, leading
Catholics state that they nave TO pay taxes twice,
first for the support Of the common schools, In
which Protestant Bible is read to their children,
secondly, taxes In an indirect way or contributions
for the support OF the parochlal schools, and that
they are compelled to send their children to their
own schools to prevent them from being prose-
lytized by means Of the reading OF the Protestant
Mr.. HAwKINs-Ah, yes, / am afraid the whole
argument hinges on that Bible question. ! believe
that the common school system is essential TO the
preservation o the republic. But. then, IN working
up this matter had occasion to call on many Cath0
lie clergymen. for the purpose OF ascer!aning we
might agree to do away with all these donations to
the verlous sects, Catholic ana Protestant. one
CashOllc clergyman old meet-a liberal Catholic
ciergyman-a man OF culture and refinement, ana
pastor Of one OF the largest, II not the largest, con-
he objected to the Bible in the common schools but
ne was willing, personally to do away with secta-
ran donations 1y act Of legislature.
MI. HAwKMs-I am not at liberty TO give his
name. said 70 nm:-"We reformers WIN remove
II that will be satisfactory to you. VIII you guaran
tee that Catholics will then send their children to
lie Answered with SMILE mo D, we cannot promise
that Tor We hold that religious instruction should
be given along with secular Instruction."
kEPORTER-When that clergyman used the word
1--WE, did ne speak for himself or the Catholic
Church authoritatlvely and generality
Mr.. HAwKIsS-An! thai Is where the shoe pmches
In the whole matter. The priests hold that the
schools should be controlled by them. give us the
The child WIN not change after that:
afterwards" I'VE al know 1t to be fact" said
Mr. aawklns .nat the children OF emigrants edn,
10 the Roman Catholic Cnurcn as those who are ed
ucated In their seetarian schools TO make sure OF
these facts sent TO Rome for the Popes ency ccal
letter OF 1854. which received IN the Latin tongue
Both the letter and spirit Of encyclcal IL against
public school SYSTEM and he refers particularly
TO our republic. translated 1t and refer In sub
stance to the matter pertinent to our public school
system in my report OF yesterday, quoting as fol-
lows
But single sect taught by it's head foreign and des-
n he H' g as he IN
study and the choice and appointment Of teachers IN toe
o he % ySfH 'n
S pubic rs
and admits that does this solely for the Of
and observances.
1.-THE Pope explains fully in this encycllcal why he
makes war on public schools. lie states explicitly
that IN the latter errors are taught which are fatal
TO the salvation OF SOULS and therefore he denounces
all schools governed by the clvil authorities
| REPORTER--You state In your report ''tnat many
OF the Catholic school rooms are damp Easements OF
churches-sO dark that gas has to be used on the
brightest day." TO what particular school do you
referY
Mr. HAwKINs-You have but to walk one hundred
church in Barclay street. OF which Father Quinn is
pastor, and you VIII find I've hundred little chill
dren immured IN damp, dark k. basement. wnlcn
ANGLE that the light shoots into the retna OF the
eye and damages the sight for ever II hurts my
this manner. Many Of these Easements are full Of
malaria and pestilence, and should be abolshed II
little children to our noble and palaGal public
schools, full of light, freedom and air. instead oi
But the worst Of it is, we have to pay very heavily
for these dark and dirty places, all because the
priests wish to control the children: , 9.
REPORrER-HOw much did this Cnurch OF st.
Peters receive for their school from the Legsla-
ture9
In three years, beginning with the year 1869.
REpoRrER-In regard to st. vlncents Hospital,
managed by the Sisters Of Charity, do you find that
Institution managed in a sectarlan fashion ?
Mr.. HAwKrNs-I nave placed II under the head OF
Roman Catholic institutions; put am not positive
to enter this hospital or one thing am certain,
ana that is that those who control it the sisters OF
minister the consolation Of, religion 70 patient OF
| hts own persuasion. When the Sisters OF Charity
much as can AFFORD although 1t is against my con-
science to do So For when say, ~ ould you adj
init Protestant minister into your institution ~
they quickly answer. "Oh, no, we cannot;" my
reply Is, Ladies, then you are proselytizing."
ground donated to the Catholics at Fiitetn street
ana Fifth avenue, upon which they are erecting
| Mr.. HAwKINs~The ground is worth 81, 500, 900,
| and tie facts are these:-In 1899 lease was OBJ
| tanned OF that block, when 1t was common land OF
| the city, Tor four bushels OF wheat Der annum.
| This wheat was delivered to the Mayor at the
| CITY Hall. The bushels OF wheat were commuted
trustees Of ST. Patricks cathedral and it was trans
ferred TO the Catholic Church In this manner they
the which ney s IN ss g. se
changed the leasehold 70 freenOld. Tue same
Church IN q like manner obtained 9 lease Of the
| streets. for 81 year. Some day or announcer when
| the Tammany gang again gets control OF the city,
| of the two blocks ABOVE the cathedral. Once admit
the principle OF giving land and money In donations
to one particular sect and you have to give IL to
them ALL To receive such donations Is libel upon
| Christianity, and we must stop all such gifts
- REFRIGERATION ,- speak OF church tnat counts its
by millions, and yet stands hat IN hand the door
OF the city treasury begging for aims for Its parish
Mr.. HAwKINs-I refer to Trinity church, the rich
est religious corporation In America. think 1t Is
most shameful that such corporation should ask
REPoRrER-To what Church 40 you belong. Mr.
Mr. HAwKNs-I am q Unitarian ana was edu.
Gated at Bowdoin College. am q trustee Of the
church OF which Mr. Hepworth was PASTOR.
REPoRTER-Dld the Unitarians ever get anything ?
Mr.. HAwKINs-Not o dollar-on beg your par
don, they had some ri1ing assessments reunited
by the CITY, under protest OF some OF the members
OF the church.
REPoRTER-was any OF that property now In the
possession Of. Trinity church formerly owned oy
AnneKe JansS
Mr.. HAwKINs--Yes, q great deal Of 1t; 1t Is the
same property.
REPoRTER-Are any OF the dwellings on that pro.
perty rented for peculiar purposes
Mr.. HAwKINs-Ah yes, for all sorts of pur-
| poses.
REPoRTER-I observe that In your report you have
rejected upon the Baptist persuasion as having re-
| ceIved great deal OF the public money and land
Mr. HAwKINs-Yes, they got ten lots. valued at
S10O,00O, for The OF the Ladies' Home Society Of
the Baptist Church, upon which to erect building.
| 1t was done IN peculiar way. committee was
formed In the brick church 10 raise subscriptions
for the erection OF this Home, corporate society
was formed, and none were allowed to be share
holders who did not SUBSCRIBE some OF the mem.
bers SAID "Let get some lana from the city; the
Catholics are getting good deal, and we ought 10
have sOme.n OLner members objected and said
No that Will do; don'tleI disgrace ourselves;
the Catholics are In and we want TO get them OUT
but II we take this land we can't get them ont )
The decent men were overruled, however, and the