The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1871-06-14

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right OF OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES he cheapiy pur-
chased by a lew generations OF nghtng."
when are you gong TO raise the standard Oh re-
..whenevcra favorable opportunity occurs. we
viii want urtll you people at the North are DIVIDED
among yourselves or are at war with some foreign
Power. The time will come, sooner or later Ana
these men" there Mr.. Teombs pointed To seine
farmers standing near by would agit again, to-
day, II need be. You
except by killing US all on, and That is an impossi.
bIIiy.n
But, 4 you want TO start ngh.lng again, don't
you think 1t unwise to talk about IL 7"
mo, SIR; think 1t time to let the Northern PEG.
@ We We ars eauy 70 b at n .e BE es
alone And II We can't get II, say we mad better
again have war than false preence OF peace, SUCH
as We have now "
.'But success in such a struggle is impo asible."
"Itwould DC desperate Undertaking. or course
But there is always cnance OF success, and Inc
chance IS worth irving
will nothing short of Southern independence
ION, yes. suppose tho North aud the South
might be Kept together on the basis OF the consttu.
ton. But you destroy our local governments and
impose another government upon US at the point OF
the bayonet. That cannot he long persisted In
among people who inherit traditions o. freedom,
without a revolution. When law Is overtnrown
men naturally taRe TO the sword. A lasting peace
might possibly have followed generous terms ike
those proposed by sherman, bnt 1t never be the
fruit OF the oppression that We have had to suiief
"Don't you regard the acts OF
THE RECONSTRUCTED LEGISLATURES,
then, as binding upon the Southern peope!"
''OI course not Those Legislatures have not been
legally elected, ard Whatever they have done IS
therefore invalid Iney represent only part Of tho
that most OF what they have done VIII be at some
would that involve the reputation OF tho state
debts they have iacurredr
'Of course IL Woud.n
.'And what IL your opinion about the debt OF the
United States; 40 YOU think that That VIII be
REPUDATED ALSO.'
~ have never believed that public debts in n
country governed oy universal suffrage Will ever
stand ilrin against any great pressure. just now
the debt pretty well distributed among them, so
f so soon nS s ,s soe cry Of Sa
season--the people VIII turn round and throw or
every dollar OF Lien pubic Indebtedness. dnaG
"You say that the democratic party Is
BEING BETRAYED
cratic principles should be successful"
ayes. 1ney do nut want To keep this country o
free republic any more than the radicals do. This
new platform shows thar. Iney are ANXIOUS Tor
rather they are In favor at heart OF mich the same
principles rs the radicals"
but they seem 10 be supported enthusiastically
az don't think SO. With the old platform the
democratic party was every year growing In
strength and would have been successful 1872. ls
leaders. however, have changed 1t, ana now, 50 far
as Southern men can see there is
No VISIBLE DIFFERENCE
In principle between democrats and radicals. It Is
party wins, and think il the best policy to make
Whatever terms we can, caring nothing about the
holds still the balance Of power, and probably
throw victory in either scaie.'
"Bui II this platform Is unpalatable to the mass Of
the people won't the democracy melt away into thin
"why you know as well as do, that the Northern
democracy consists practically or few score men,
VINO have seized upon It's machinery and do just as
many sheep VINO follow them, and know nothing
and care not very macn about what they ae voting
itself in the city OF New York;
t NEGRO SUFFRAGE,
suppose, yCu regard as tne most obnoxious prOvi-
sion in tue amendmentss why do You object t 1t
SO sIsongy' AN. In your own county majority of the
"Itls no particular trouble for us to make and
Keep them democrats. The negroes all over the
South might he induced to vote for their former
masters. in my county where. as you say, the
negroes are largely democratic, we used no threats
aud did not make any ialse promises. told them
dld not think thev ought TO have vote, ana many
OF them agreed with me. II Is precisely for the
son that they can so easily be coaxed into voting for
US that oppose negro suffrage. Men so easily In
nueuced ought not to have any political power A
vote ought only to be IN the possession of citizens
VINO are conscious OF the responsibility II Involves,
and are intelligent and conscientious enough to use
Il rsnty: For the presen. we might strengthen
vote But look 10 the future. and can see that with
negro Suffrage ooon oov,,v,,r,r
at the South win always ne Impossible. The white
people OF the south are now unit but the time VIII
come when they will be divided, and then they will
bid Tor the negro vote, and the worst men will natu-
rally make me biggest offer and control the state.
As god Citizen therefore, can never consent to
accept the fifteenth amendment"
"Ine radicals believe that the negro Will support
them, at ieast Tor the next generation the score
Of gratitude; but Oh course, you don't share that
Opinion.''
alt is absurd. The best definition OF political |
gratitude ever uttered was that Of an English states
man, VINO described 1t as q lively appreciation of
future ayors, Ihat IS especially true when you ap-
lido you think freedom has made the negro lazy
and The rest OF II, rs was at one time predictedln
"Oh, the
NEGRO WILL DO WELL
enough II ne is only let alone. lie would never
fnrf hn1a
men who have come among us and have tried to |
gain power by natterlng and tempting HIM. In |
groes have been demoralized by lying promises.
But the negro. left TO himself, whether freeman or |
works pretty well as It Is and we find no great din
Guilty IN keeping him in 0rder.'
"DO you fear, as Mr.. Stephens does. that this gov. |
ernment Is about to become centralized despot-
ISM"
ssThat ia the present tendency, OF course don't |
think, however the attempt will be crowned with
ultimate success"
suon are tue salient points In couple OF brief
conversations which had the honor OF holding with
"Massa BoD.' have excluded in tile above report
the many side illusions to the and sor,iid
character OF Northern civilization into which Mr..
Toombs occasionally .broke' as they say OF q I
FESTIVE trotung horse The type OF Southern man
to winch he belongs have Tor twenty years dlnned |
into our ears our own unworlnincss, Mr.. Toobs
Simply repeated the usua STRUCTURES upon our man
ncis and Character. In his eyes the Southern gem
tleman is the embodiment of chvalrous honor and |
Indifference TO mammon and nigh culture-a gene.
rous, hosptaDle CONSCIENTIOUS and gallant Image OF |
his Maker; and Northern visitor at tue South ceer-
fully endorses the general truth SUCH picture But
MIR. Toombs TURNER believes that at the North |
there Is neither virtue nor honor nor libe- |
rallty. The masses OF our people, he says, are the
serls OF miserable money making milonnaires, who |
spring from the gutter, amass enormous W. attn by |
grinding the faces Of the poor, and then distinguish
themselves at home and in Europe by their vul- |
garity. Our cergymen are equally sordid, and |
vocate any form or ismatic theology that pays the
best. Our pollt,cians-we would not ike TO re- |
peat all That Mr. Toombs says about them. He IL |
coming North himself in couple Of weeks and Will |
doubtless abuse them to their faces with that LAVISH
wealth OF invective which strikes fear ana trembling
into the breasts OF all his Southern enemies.