The New York herald., 1871-12-19


M HOWE rep.) Of Wis, protested against being
classed e an opponent or investigation because M
mad NOS thought Ut TO vote for Nh. Trumbulls reso
Mr. BAYARD tdem.) OF Del, said that Mr.. Sum.
ners crilcism nl0n the appointment OF the com.
c0nsttuenls was ready and willing to give his time
ssn rae un'scnarge OF any public duty that Night De
understand IN advance the manner IN which the
commlttee wac TO be made IN. He knew from ex-
perence nov dlfncult 1t was for single represen-
minority and he believed that the design IN max.
INK up tls commiltee with only one democrat upon
u was that when Senator offers resolution for on
inquiry TO De made in some particular case he
tnsIe0y implies tnat no other case should be inves-
Mr. H0wE-I wish once for all to commit myself
20 my Irend from Delaware (Mr. BayartD and MS
frtends n TINS chamber by saving that as often as e
or any olnel member OF this body will propose any
vesIGauon as 10 individuals or officials, Or II tnat
~ asking them TO assume disagreeaDle respOnsl-
Dlity. tnen, whenever any one will point out any
vice, any matter or thing which ne desires to have
investigated, will 90 with him to the very verge
saarcs;n sna sTe lor ine most radical sweeping and
c0ntrve.
MT: BAYARD said he would accept the Senator's
ing resolution Senator Trumbulrs proposition.
The senator from New York tMr COnkng) had voted
sgs,h,st tnat proposition before, and PROBABLY he
Mr.. CoNKLlNa said he had voted against embody-
n9 ~ tne rules OF tne Senate tile proposition Of Mr.
I0r tne Droadest and most sweeping proposition for
lnvestgation. he wished the country to under.
on the part or the gentlemen on the other side.
Ine senator from Delaware mr. Bayard) knew MIN
lMr. Conkilng) well enough to know tnat ne was In
eaLuese Al HIS desire 10 discover and punish frauds.
MI. BAYARD was still under the impression that
there was some Inconsistency between the position
OF Mr.. OOnkllng last Thursday on Mr.. Trumbull's
resolution anu his position to-day. The Senator
naa undoubtedly , voted against the proposition.
Ms: C0nKainG. we add Il now as an instruction
m Qu al
Mr.. BAYARD-Wlll the Senator vote for iti
ara Nc said IN the very debate we
Mr.. BAYAkD-Yes; DuI the Senator voted against
!Laagater.l
MT: BAYARD-we, can only refer to the record.
l Will let the senator's explanation stand on one
side and the record ON the Otner.
MI CONKLING-On the same side.
MI. BAYARD-He may put them as near together
as e ne can. !Laughtar.) Mr.. Bayard went on to say
that the discipline in the public service was SO lax
that abuses and frauds can govern for years. as In
tine recently developed cases OF hodge ana Callen-
DER. 1t was . singular tnlng, too, that norwltll-
standing the earnest pr0testatioEs OF desire for
reform, every man who attempted to initiate any
traon had been attacked, and posi- ole, crushed
David A. Wells genuine ana valuable relOrmer,
nad been treated IN that way. and there was very
manifest dspOstlOn on the part OF the administra-
tlOn champions to treat later rerrmers In the same
way. Another singular fact was that whenever any
one on the Oter side Of the house asked for an in
vestlgati0n OF fraud or corruption he was ut once
accused OF aiming at the President. Why should
me friends OF the administration identity their
chief with Its abuses7 Nevertheless, the country
would insist on an investigation. The country
would Ike to know whether It was true. as stated
publican party In New YORK State had been con-
trOlleu by federal patronage under the management
Of S the iate % Collector Of New York It. would ike to
had gone into other States and interiered
IN state matters; whether for instance, the Amor
ney General OF the United States went into North
OarOllna pending q State canvass involving the
amendment OF the State constitution, ana there at
tempted TO inllmldate the voters Dy telling them
made more acceptable TO the people their actions
would be nullided by a recognition by the federal
been rejected by the voice Of the people, The coun.
try would Ike to know whether 1t was true that the
chamber aud attempted to influence the action of
Senators either BY the dulcet tones OF promises OF
reward or by threatening tones OF vengeance to be
TO be the ofienders' trends Ali these
were 1T subjects Tor investigation; but ihe
made BY men who are willing to investigate. it
Was not question OF character, but Of opinion.
ans senator Mna r. from n indiana 81 m Mr Moron for IN
Mittee. because he nad declared the other day that
ours was the best civil service in the world.
lief that our civil service better than that oi any
european country more free from abuses, equal In
did not tnlnk our civil service perfect but he did
think grossly unjust to Genounce 1t as The worst
Mr. BxsxnD said snat III Mr. = Morton nc conirnea what
ne ME 62gar0) had JUST said OF mis- untness TO IN
Mr.. CONKLING said ne thought It but right that
the desire Of the democrats 10 have an additional
memDer Of the committee should oe Rratided, ana
he would vote for giving them one and allowing
them TO select hun themselves. lie nad understood
the Senator from Delaware to ask him for infcrma-
nected with recent State Convention In New YORK.
Mr.. BAYARD said his inquiry, 80 far as he had
made one, was directed TO the senior Senator from
Mr.. OoNKLINa said he was the senior Senator
Mr. BAYARD-l meant the other Senator. l have
been go accustomed TO associate IDEAS OF youth and
beauty with the Senator who mas just spoken It
never occurred TO me that he was the senior Sena-
MIR. FENrON The inquiry OF the Senator from
Delaware seems to demand word OF reply from
me- gut, IA, asree en-, WIN my colleague tnat T. is
senate: out II 1t should seem proper at any time
snail attempt To shOw-and think eau make sucn
case as Will satisfy almost every Senator present
that the inquiry OF the senator from Delaware was
justified by the facts OF the case.
Mr.. FRELINGnUYsEN argued!that the committee as
proposed was in accordance with the requirements
OF Parliamentary law, because every senator named
es memoer OF the committee had voted for the re-
solution creating standing committee on invesri-
cation and retrenchment, which was passed, and
had voted only against tue proposition on that SUBJ
tlon OF MIR. Trumbull, he could not say, with Mr..
C0nKtng, that he would vote Tor it even now be-
cn Of e the couary W we're rue @
p0rtant branches Of the government, and he was
opposed 10 creating another sucn branch OF
government with power 10 send for persons and
papers,
Nj SUMNER expressed a hope that before the
Senators acted IN any case involving the question
OF the right 10 send ;Or persons and papers they
would read ana consider the very able arguments
OF the late Governor Andrew and Mir. Sewall, OF
Boston, that SUBJECT. Recurring to the question
OF the appointment OF the proposed committee,
Nj. sumner argued that Mr.. buckingham, having
asked Mr. Trumbuli whether he would accept the
chalrmanship, showed that he believed him (Mr.
Trumbulll to be entitled to 1t, according to paria
mentary law, and tins disclosure having been made
with regard to the senator from Illinois lMr. Trum-
bull he would like to know whether The senator
(Mr. Bucktngham had inquired whether Otner
Senator'S, Mr. Schnrz, Tor instance, would accept
the position,
Nj BUCGiNaHAM, Tep.) Of Conn.,, said he had
not.
with regard TO the Inclination oil the senator from
New Hampshire {Mr. Paiters0nl2
Mr. BUCKINaHAM-1 made no inquiry with regard
to those Senators.
Mr. SuMNER-Then 1t comes to this-the Senator
from Connecticut mfr. Buckngham) before taking
the place OF Chairman, s0othed ms parliamentary