New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1871-05-18

Mr. FENTON Crop. N. " said he did not very well
ike the pending resolution, and therefore offered sub
stitute which he thought might meet the views of
majority Of the Senate, and might all the pur-
ton to be propounded TO the witness Did you receive
70 TaE Y TRIBUNE, from any Senator, Clerk, Sec
rotary OF the Senate from any member OF the family
OF any Senator officer or employe OF nne ana
Mr. WILSON ep. Mass proposed to vote for this his
which had been Se msn Of
stood by the Department es Of State well known
that the Presde and Secretary OF STATE Sa he
no doubt that the majority Of the Senate were In favor
such publication, and that the whole country nted
e i :ss 'As F Fsssy 'iS
HANGED BY the abstract which had p,ev 10 ny
Senate and its cccrs to keep the secrets Of Senate
and the duty Of the Senator's TO enforce the
also the duty Of the press 70 give the people Of the
country in to the acts ot ns p e 20
into every department Of the Government e obtain
whatever information they can GET and spread INC
9aon to Keep the secrets Of the Senate the
Executive Chamber the Cabinet or any branch OF
Government 1t the business OF the Press 70 gamer
information everywhere The Senate, having indicated
ITSELF ought to stop there In all countries where taeTe
duty TO keep its own secrets regard to its own bush
He did not believe they ought to carry on ths
thought they ought 10 pass the substitute and execute it.
He was surprised hear Senators say that these gentle
men, arraigned "a Witnesses we're bound 70 DISCLOSE
other peoples secrets
TIE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS INDICATED.
Mr. MORTON Rep,, Ind9 also said he would vote for
the substitute He thought answer to the nterroga
ton proposed by It sufficient but whether the wit
nesses should be required TO outside Of this was
q doubtful question. This document was not exclu-
nvely Senate document II belonged 20 the British
Government well and also belonged TO the
Executive Department. II had been published by the
Secretary of State would have pretended bat the
Senate had Jurisdiction the natter nor had been
stolen from the Executive Department. would the SEN
ate have n Ss 70 RH hs
deame and abuse the personal character OF public men
things abound much but the obtaining OF inform-
ton Could not be regarded among the abuses" Of the
WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD REST.
Mr.. THURMAN Dem., Ohio said that while there
was desire to preserve the dignity Of the Senate there
was danger In taking course They mghs also
be Influenced by their personal feelings. The Senate
would make great mistake II they supposed the ques
ton was about the publication of the Treaty He agreed
with the Senator from Massachusetts that there was no
law 20 punish any one for publishing treaty from the
Department Of Bate before 1t was sent to the Senate
gRS 5Ss Treaty The at
sd X; al 10 Tan sa III
teegraphic operator The person responsible for the
publication is the Managing Editor OF that paper Tue
ished for contempt the first thing TO ascertain was
whether they were In contempt There could be no two
answer He thought they ought to answer the question
as the statute them 20 so s sen
at0r from Wisconsin, and dissented from the WeYsex.
pressed by the Senator The Secretary OF state
synopsis OF the treaty before IL was sent to the Senate
but who had complained of that's Who had thought of
bringing the Secretary Of State 70 answer for , After
was guilty of moral urpude by publishing the whole
text Of the He beeyea Ss soaa be
oped until this session end neither tho dignity OF the
the snd would be indicated and it would be rde
lous farce. Seeing good TO come OF this while ne
correspondent found out he should vote for the subsi-
ue Of the Senator from NewYork, though he did not
believe 1t to be logically correct.
Mr.. rIProN on DIGNITY.
Mr. Upton (Rep., Neb) thought the dignity OF the
Senate was damaged when it was brought In contact
with the rights of private citizens He was astonshed
that the Senator from Wisconsin became 80 eloquent
about the Ku-Kux. 1t almost seemed proper to close
these doors to save Senators from death ana 20
Of had gwen out Of the Treaty and The
further to G& into it. which tbs RSUsE
them an opportunity of doing The people received the
s Q, ee Tae1 om
the national common sense when he SAID that
editors aaS fs pc p%9 se saS Was
it right and proper and IN s1e Sar csse
made and providedf senators snould protect ne oWn
rights Some Senator'S carried copies OF the Treaty In
their rockets before the Senate met. The Committee
ask the correspondents Did you get the copy from any
senatori No. From any Government omceI Ger M no;
Did you find II in the rooms where senators mad been
No. Heaven only knows how many rooms senators
visit [Isughterl. The investigation ought TO end.
Mr. C0RBETr Rep, Oregon made few remarks. IN
which he said that the proceedings OF the caucus Were
II the Senate did put stop to that how could they
prevent the premature publication Oh treaues ana other
matters required to be kept secret:
Mr. MORRILL, (Rep., VT said that while ne was In
favor Of having all the treaties made public he would
The only question was whether the interogatory was
proper one. He had no doubt the 1acts, when dscov
ered would impicate some Senator at Least In careless
MT HARLAN Rep., Iowa) thought that IL the Senate
should withdraw the question or substitute another In
place of that Of the Committee the Committee ought not
to take exception The witnesses REFUSAL 70 answer was
Mr.. DAVIS Dem, ky) opposed Mr.. Fenton's substi-
tute regarding 1t waiver TO bona fde Investigation
OF the question The substitute would not give the Sen
ate the requisite means to ascertain the fact.
Mr. Fenon's substitute was, after further proceedings
rejected by the following vote:
Blair Hamilton CTeIS), Robertson, Thurman
f D"ss. wv. VAL Morton. tssngae Wilson,
Pep,eu Rice, Sumner, WINDOW FL
Hamilton Cdd~)
.m.. coullns, Si;eAeocl. Ramsay,
Anthony. Gooerv E pn' SSTx'i'
foreman pDIdsAn'b f.scsn snence,
Buckingham, Edmanas Lgsn M, S sisrIansu
Caldwell, Ferry Comb non,i }MeJ s S.s.en."'
Carpenter, Ferry thichb norrhN|b sssNHh
GrIs,riv Flanagan, Osborne, STOCKTON,
Chandler Frelnghuysen Patterson Irumoni
CLAYTON, Hamin, Pratt Wngb-O'
THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION MODIFIED.
Mr. TRUMBULL Rep., Ill., offered an amendment 70
the pending resolution adding to the questions to be
answered by the witness touching the disclosure d.