The New York herald., 1871-11-27

democracy should pursue. Yet am fully impressed
the present crNas IN our national afairs ana tnink
that we should al endeavor 20 secure economical
comphsh mat we must have
4 sTATRsMAN WHO WILL DICTATE A POLICY
20 pos ~ y @ Be mapped ~ MS
Prestdent should De such man, and until we OBJ
tain one Of TINS character We need not hope 70
ciais and the corruption that boldly seats itself In
Tue Governor spoke long and eloquently upon this
sunject, and discussed with me the entire situation
and while may not have given mis- language pre-
aDove. believe, not misrepresenied his views.
He aso referred TO the necessity for the people OF
sas % w SoIR get Oy the
INTENDING THE Reform MOVEMENT
that he's been inaugurated there SO successfully to
the en1re nation and the duty nf the press to lead
In the Grand work by educating the masses In their
duties and responsibilities as citizens who desire
honest government and can rise above the claims OF
j next referred to the proposed new charter for
views as TO what changes are demanded. He re-
pied promptly but courteOusly. I. Ns0 tf )
am now empoSynS them in NV mes
sage. and you can at once see that under the cir
cumstances Il would be highly improper for me to
hope 70 make some suggestions Id the message that
VIII commend themselves 10 the Leaislaturs.S y
JUDGE BnDFoRD'S GRAND JURY.
called ma attention 70 Judge Bedford's charge to
the Grand 1JHy for the puhisnment OF the Ring
District Attorney and the Grand Jury to act and II
Ne Thought they mad jurisdiction. In reply he read
cnarscief q the evidence cotnea I he could not sT
criminal procssdinss. the evidence % justiied t.
it was, however. clearly their duty to investigate
ana bring 'ns 81 Gq1Eao sE.U,iys fs1sl JuD,o,Aar
remarked 70 MIN that there were many in New
sns escon Of Judiciary ana psss Aorney
ponsment py the Execulys, and inquired his views W
subject upon when be was % not decided i which "
would be pest. He had thought In the past that
judges, but the term was TOO short. Now when the
term has been extended there cannot be such
iii sne ONCE Of District Attorney By ' apponment
would require q change Of the constitution, and 1t
ssBut, Governor, there are complaints that the
criminal classes OF New York receive too much
lenency. Inoeeo, police officials VINO have arrested
me that It was almost impossible for them TO get
some OF them convicted when the evidence was
II am sorry 10 hear it. Mr.. Garvey cannot be
knowing to u. ! have always considered him
CONSCIENTIOUS, uprigh. prosecutor"
.'NO do not believe he Is; the police officers do
not suspect him BY any means, but they claim II is
nevertheless true that bysome subtle influence that
vicJ some Of the most daring ofenders.n
~ know something oi the diniculues Of Furnishing
WHEN WAS RECORDER
desperate fellow was before me twice and each
time escaped by some means, liking, the prosecute
he presented himself before me "fxed" him. sup
pose my charge convicted him. and sent him to
walking down Broadway. saw Nun standing In a
doorway or gambling house. He had been par
THE NEXT LEGIsLArURE-THE VETO POWER.
next touched upon the composition Of the Legts-
lature, and asked HIS Excellency Il ne anticipated
factiOus opposition from the majority In the enSu-
aWell, no; do NOT apprenend tnat wc VIII seri-
Ousy come IN conflict; but t depends upon the
temper Of the Legislature. During my first year as
Governor the republicans had majority, and be-
now however, when they have so much heavier
majority. shall exercise the veto power carefully
aa nH CS sY m
cessary Tor me to veto, and shall do my duty.n
uere the conversation Jagged for moment while
His Exceiicncy upon tho frauds; but he came quickly
TO the rescue, with the remark tsmiiingl:-
hear new In ihe cityf wonder was that speech
reported . having been made BY James O'Brlen at
reiormsrs with breaking faith ~ :
cs.ia nes speak q my own q iss on ;ne
Jions In New orr and the Custom House. HIS FIX
cellency spoke Of General Arthur as q gentleman Of
capsc, as an and sader Of spsH party sucn
as the Custom House patronage controls. OF Mr..
asn 1s spoke u no Mo e w aed
70 lead any =, movement looking to sweep.
san SAID but little remark,na snas he had seen Tweed'
he believed, but once since tine Legislature
adjourned IA made o remark m arr tOpcmang TN, 1ne aos Of
ment In the greater ones that had followed the ex-
posure Of the operation Of the Ring. This drew
RECITATION OF AN INCIDENT
showing wnat sudden changes may come over
81 Was sitting here IN INV ONCE some days aro.n
said the Governor, ..when o man sent word he
wished DO 70 see me; was s very busy Du. give
you are the Governor Of the state believer" !"
"And as such Commanderin-C Chief OF the
forcess"
"'He then questioned me upon the right Of ofhcers
to order ball cartridges 10 be used, and explained
guarded In firing ON the people. suddenly he said:-
"Governor had br0tner-in-law killed that day
.!I am very glad Of It," responded, ssf ne were
'.But he was innocent.'n
Then L am most heartily sOrry.'D s
Then he pulled from MS vest pocket bullet and,
That IS ihe bali that KILLED him. Had seen you
WOULD HAVE KILLED YOUR
"l have no douot OF IT. SIR, replied
"'G0vernor, am keeping this bullet for next 18th
"sYou arei NY friend, have you considered the
matter deliberately Did your brother-in-aw leave
o wldoWi ~
" sYes,D ~. s.ss. 49,.
and orphaned childsensm
WsYo1, ~ .-4.-.-1---.-
sSAo pm say he IVES an innocent victim'w
r. sNoW think for Q momentnI said. "You intend
to keep tnat bullet for next l2th OF July. Have you
not thought thai that bullet may render nuspsnd-
less and fatherless another family whose support
and stay may Pc - innocent OF crime as your
ii observed him closely ana saw that the applica
tion went home although for q moment he showed
some Dr0vad0 Finally he arose, presented mis-
hand, and thanking me for the interview remarked
that ne had changed nus mind very much In conse-
Quence.n
"And," added she Governor, turning 10 me, .that
gentlemen will not use that ballet next July.n
Then arose, and thanking the Governor was on
the eve OF retiring wnen he remarked:
al am sorry you have not obtained more informa-
ton from me. But really, have not had time TO
carefully weigh the subject or what the democracy
should do. Yet ain fully impressed with the great