The New York herald., 1871-11-07

AE 00E O1s
body nss not peen <tenced wsh .oms a. :
anticipated. nls vis,t regarded b. aura an,
perrdal one, while nis mode OF proc very
hk Ii stay IN the Terri, Ty has eiicite. OF
Ser, >smment. ExGoyem, r'Mocor.iick u
sons, and at presenv the Cong. css'onal reprcs
tive OF the Territory, was visited aay or twosnc
the Sturtevant House b1 HERALD eporser' IN ord
to obtain some Information. Mr.. N coorm'ck VI
been Srestdent or Arizona'for many Years. ana
thoroughly posted upon all matters appe S'a'n'ns
| the Indian. question. Though only recover ue ro
| acute Inflammation OF the eye, the ex.GL verne
appeared TO take great interest IN uhe subjec ~
cheerfully asd' unhesItatngIy explained his vie
In reply 10 a interr0g atOiy as 10 what he though
OF the policy or e Peace Commissioners and OF the
visit OF Mr.. C0yer to the Territory he promptly
responded that however humane their intentions
were, those gentlemen were totally us'Acqsalnted
with the character or the savagcs, who had wan
tehly perpetEatcd the Inoss
SHOCK rsts otrRAGES
on the white population. As TO Mr.. C0lyer, he had
nothing 10 say against Rim whatever but his repre-
sensations he considered were based on very super
fetal knowledge. The following conversations then
ensucd--
REPoarER-I pressn,e, sW, you Save sean enough
OF the indians OF Arizona to- compel you to regard
them In rather Al unfxvoratde aspect
Mr.. MCCORMTCx-Weal, tMnkI am Qualified 20
express a fair opiniOn upon the sznject. wcn$
from the cisyoi New York to hrtzonn with nv pre-.
JUDGES largely In favor OF the indian. but when
came to deal with MIN could clearly understand
the terrible wrongs against which the psople had to
contend Now; the Eastern people seeN to faii to
comprehend the.ditresence between the various In
dian tribes There are Indians whose tendency Is
toward civilization, VITO llye In villages and who,
while they are
NATURALLY EGIINED TO sTssAI
and commit occasionau depretlatl0ns, are for the
mosr part friendly aud psaceable. Then thsre are
the Apaches and Comanches, who are wild and or
the very lowest order OF human BEINGS They
offered to make peace on numerous occasions when
hard pressed by the troops, but an the pres
sure was removed they have returned to. c0msnlt
murders and depredations. My Judgment Is that II
the Chier Cochlse has surrendered fact is attrdb
utable to the acCve aggressive movements Of Gene.
ral crook more than o.any influence OF the Peace
REPoRTgR-Would his, surrender have any. effect
upon the war OF the Apachesy
controls very few OF tho Apaches although perhaps
he Is as prominent as any one OF the chiefs. inc
ana banis, and have really great chief. The
people Of Arizona desire peace, and they believe
have brought the Apachcs terms at early DAY..
He was preparing to make such
as had never been made in the Territory before.
The trouble Ill the past has been that the troops
were usually engaged III defensive movements.
REPORTER--What do you think or the reservation
systemy
planned loudly OF the reservation system, so far as 1T
permitted the Indians to be sheltered upon the ad-
vance or the troops The people Of the Territory
have no objections TO reservations, or any number
OF them, provided the Indians are Kept upon them;
but they do most empnatically object to allowing
ment 0. feeding the Indians Of Arizona has often
been tried and never produced any lasting benefit.
fed large numbers Of the Indians, aud the very
same Indians were repeatedly found engaged In COM
mltting serious depredatiOns. The indians at camp
Grant last spring were allowed to come and 60 at
WILL and many Of them are believed TO have engaged
posed to be at peace The attack subsequently made
on some Indians ny the citizens OF Tuscon, which,
@ ns posSe ans
In the camp OF the Indians articles Of clothing taken
from the murdered whites were rel found % v
Mr.. McCoaxlcx-The people OF Arizona are
greatly dissatisfied vita Mr. C0ycr's visit, not
only because or its has'y and superficial character
but because OF his refusal to confer with the people
then The Governor issued y proclamation asking
that Mr.. Colyer be shown every courtesy and at
tentiOn, but Mr.. COyer never visited him. have
not seen MIR. Colyers report and do not know what
its recommendations viii be, but it Is well known
To the people oil Arizona that very little value can
be attached TO the statements OF one whose Obser
vaiions were so limited, who saw so few of the
dentis % VAS ass strongly preudiced against the people,
AS have already said, the people Of Arizona want
slightest truth IN the assertion that they want more
troops for speculative purposes Ihey pray, indeed,
that the day may hasten when the soldiers can ali
be Withdrawn from the country. Moreover, they
are entirely willing una The so-callcd feace Com-
mssiOners' policy SHAH be tried In the country. II
protection TO life and property can be guaranteed
while the experiment is being made. The people
insist, however, that
A FULL AND FAIR UNDERSTANDING
OF the exact condition or the affairs OF the country
shall be given 10 the public before they are further
denounced. The Eastern PEOPLE seem 10 listen 10
every story concerning the alleged wrongs oil the
indian Dut 20 believe notling regarding the wrongs
OF tile white populations. Not one man III Aundred
Arizona Is ia any way Responsible Tor the present
indian troubles in the couniry. Hundreds Oh lnno.
stages nave been attacked and the passengers
burned ut The stake. Gallant army officers nave
been killed, and yetthere has been scarcely an ex-
preston OF sympathy coming from the East. IL lS
not strange that, suffering as they have for years
the people should feel aggrieyed with the Peace
Commissioners, who appear TO be 20 Indifferent 10
the welfare Of the white population and so devoted
REpoRTEn-rhe Territory Of Arizona it Is said, Is
very rich ia minerals
Mr. MCCoRMIcK-Yes, and 1t would well repay the
government TO make lie and property secure there.
kEPoRrRn-You 90 not complain OF the Commls-
sioners desire to iced the IndlansY
Mr. certainly not. II the Commits
sloIers determined 10 feed the lnoians these in
dams should be kept under military discipline IN
their reservations, and large appropriations should
IHDIAys ARE GREAT EATERS
anu can only Oc leu dl u dIRe cxpcuSe. lHc pTtC.
tlce OF giving presents has, up TO this time, proven
u bad one because the Indians are constantly lcd 10
expect favors, and Congress has made wholly made.
quate provision. Now the very Indians that Mr.
C0lyer has found so willing TO receive presents Will
PROBABLY be intensely hostile III few months unless
additional presents are gwen. There is perhaps, no
part OF the United states so persstenty nisreprc-
sented as Arizona. In my Judgment few or the
people there In any way responsible Tor the nos
iility the Apaches 1t Is rather the Indian Com
III s>ioners themselves.
REPoRTBR-what policy, in your opinion, should
be adopted ton ards the ApachcsY
MIR. MCCo qMICK-Weli, / do not think the policy
or determination necessary, but that the govern
ment should occupy the Territory ana MAKE SUCH
ADMINISTRATIONS as made IN the Sioux country,
whicn brought Red Cio0d and Spotted Tail TO
terms. Nothing but show VI strength can innu-
ence the Apachcs.