The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1871-06-04

,AhTrm a VIII DC masses ofcred up u
ALL Tne question OF special service Is not settled
kkroRTEa.ls there any present hope. your Grace
that the position In Rome Will be changed In man
ner satisfactory to the Pope and the Church,
ARcHBrsnoP--MarK my words the PoDe VIII be
restored to his lndepenaence-not, perhaps 10 all
hls rlned possessions but sufficient lor the purposes
OF the Holy See. l. may not live to see 1t. You are
young man and you VIII.
REPoErER-The present state OF affairs Is fraughi
ARoaBlsHor-They are. It is an hour OF trial, but
we shall triumph.
REPoETER.Do you believe in the sincerity OF VIC
tor Emmanuels professionals
ARCHBIsHoP--lis professions are not worth any
thing. lie did not want to go to Rome; he was
forced there. 1t was the same power that forced
him 70 ROME which forced Napoleon into war with
Germany.
REfoRrER-The revolutionistsY
AgcHBIs HoP-rhe rouge. They are the real rulers
OF Italy. Think you they have any idea OF letting
Victor Emmanuel rule themf No; their design IS
to erect
GRAND AERIAL REPUBLIC
IN Italy as their brethren attempted to build one on
the ruins or France.
REpoRrER-TheY profess a devotion to libertyp
ARCHBlsHoP-It Is the liberty to do just as they
please and that no one shall do anything outside OF
that. Why, 1t Is the most odious form OF tyranny.
kEPORrER-Ihese men light and die for their
opinions.
Notwithstanding would wade in blood to &C.
compllsh their objects. Lie Is nothing TO them and
they have nothing else to lose. The fear OF God has
no place In their hearts; Tor they do not believe in
other day, The treasure OF the churches was given
TO man called God; there is no such man. there.
lore IL belongs TO the people,
REPoRTEE-They believe priests to be their ene-
mes?
ARcuBIsHop-They are right Priests are the enc.
mics Of sucn beliefs theirs, and therefore, their
enemies. That was never disguised, nor was their
hostility unknown TO the pres Is. In my last CONVEX
sation with the ionliy murdered Archbishop Darboy
(mho WAS not III aged man, as some papers state he
being some three years younger than l. and do not
call myself odl his remarks were:-
~ FORESEE A REVOLUTION
brewing; what Ill II may betide know not; there
are certainly dark days before u.s." so OF Pore OH
inonensve man. Such are the enemies OF the Touge.
IL is terrible to think OF.
REroRTER-Do you think the like win be attempted
i'll Itaiys
AgCnBIsHoP-Yes. Before three years, perhaps
before one year. Victor Emmanuel wnl be chased
from his throne Dy the very party who ca'oe him
with a leadership wnlch he does not exercise lie
Is their puppet, and when 1t suits them he will be
depOsed. Then Will come the great struggle,
TO END IN THEIR OVERTHROW.
REPoRTER-Is II on this that you base your hopes
for the recovery of the Datrimony Of ST. Petes?
ARCHBlsHof-I cannot now indicate The impi.
ous mpractlcabie schemes OF the goddess revolt
uonsts must overreach themselves. l have met
Frenchmen ana Germans here who scofed at our
republic saying there Is no more liberty mere than
in Europe, certainly not in their distorted sense.
RErohTER-You feel certain that the Pope Will be
ARcHBIsHoP-I do. There Is one fact that
40 THRONE IN EUROPE is SAFE
without him. No Power, even socallcd Protest
ant one having Catholic subjects, can submit TO
communicating with the head OF The Catholic Church
at the caprice or Oh the jpse dru OF another Power
w
would be to II in the capacity OF subject Tns Is
outside OF all he other reasons from the point Of
Church discipline.
REroRTER-Do you believe In the ability OF Victor
Emmanuel 10 Keep the stIpuiatlons he has laid
down!
ARcHBISHof-I read the guarantees in the
HERALD few days ago. In the first place he is
bankrupt and has vioiated his engagements with
the monasterles and converts ried and confiscated
by him. In all the converts were nuns who had
broagnt their dowrles to the institutions. When
the converts were coniscated these nuns had every
civil claim to their money. tie engaged 10 pay
them stipend. He has not done SO aud most OF
them are starving ills guarantees are not worth
anything: he cannot guarantee himself
REPORTER you not think the defeat of the
reds In France Will brighten nelr brethren in Italy?
ARCHBIsHoP-The end Is not yet. Their power
for harm Is not over.
REPoRTEH-You 90 not believe in their successa
ARCHBIsHOP-No Yet whatever God has IN store
for His servants on earth shall satisfy them. The
Church does not fear and, with the same serene
checriulness as the Holy Father, awaits His awards
sure OF His ultimate victory
The conversation drifted to diocesan matters
touching the new Cathedral, for which. during the
past few months, Sl51, 900 have been raised. The
work upon 1t Is proceeding rapidly The workmen
are at present putting up the new marble columns
INSIDE the building. The worthy Archbishop pro-
fessed himself highly pleased with the generosity Of
his diocese the more that he SO well knew now
many other things were wanting besides q cathe.