The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1871-08-20

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am here on the mission OF correspondent DESTROYS
of getting Information OIL this great movement and,
II possible, few words from your own nps on the
PRESENT POSITION AND FUTURE OF THIS AGIrA
TrON.r
almost think DR.. Dollnger was glad TO unburden
himself on one subject and mat was TO do away
with the idea which he Thought prevailed In
America thar the an,l-lnfalliblists wished to form
sect apart from the great catholic Church. Almost
without a warning, and before had thought of pen
and paper, he launched into valuable exposition
valuable words, and knowing well that men,
ory would avail little to recall them,
explain to him that should l trust to my
rccolectlon I should be liable TO give MS words
or not a. all as e b pSegs r q 9g
was evidently little taken abac4 at the idea. but
seeing my point AMI nencn and paper ready. he
ceiycI q shock from winch IL took some time TO re-
cover. The following Is VERBATIM
| AN ERRONEOUS MPaEssIoN-THE TRUE STATE OF
TIE CASE
| SIT is an erroneous idea that we wish to found
| new sect in the Roman Catholic Church. IL IS not
the intention OF those VINO are engaged In this
| movement TO bring about separation. Their Inten-
ton IS simply 20 remain where they were: to claim
all their rights as ncmbcrs OF the Church In wnlcn
state state Of things is t"is: The bishops
! Try all they can to drive the opponents
by ecclesiastical censures, by communications or
suspensions. Or coarse It would ne more adVanc an
whole movement could be reduced 10 the narrow
| limits OF mere new sect or denomination. That IS
| their simple ca1culat on. The OppOnents-prestS
| and laymen--are determined to remain where they
| are AMI only To 40 what Is allowed according TO
Church principles; nut in cases OF neceSs1ty-aS for
instance, the administration OF sacramentS as well
as the celebration OF funerals-as IN the case OF
Pro- Zenger IL Is necessity for them To help
them selves ny performing the Offices which are
refused by the parish priests; but in no way Is there
when we wish to have removea And now you
may ask me anything you like about the movement
May ask your opinion, then, Herr Professor
about the
CONDUCT OF THE BAvARIAN ooyEENMENTr,
"Certa,niy. II Is simply waverng. They hesi-
tate There is at the same time crisis In the Min
| istry, and one Of the Ministers Is an utramontane
| ana opposes himself to every measure which the
other Ministers propose TO take. This Is Count
| BRAY (whO subsequently resigned). He does what
| lie can to hinder the movement. The Minister or
CnItus won Lutz showed MIS- Jour articles IN the
lfat9stur0er A t nrin Zritung that there was con-
siderable difficulty for the action OF the government
because there are effective laws. There ls, per-
haps. In this respect law concerning what Is
eminent erlE" N' Is publish eccesiastical decfecs
which refer to civil questions, to the relations
| consequently the bishops who have published the
DEGREES. and act according TO those DEGREES win.
be punished for that transgresslOn Of the law. One
OF the hshOpshas even asked iorthe places put upon
It's being refused ne Hhe Archbishop OF Bamherg)
nevertheless published the decree so ne set the gov
ernment az open defiance. In the of the State all
the communications are illegal, because they are
| all based upon the publication Of DEGREES winch
have been published contrary TO the laws OF Inc
| StateN
ain what position do the 200 persons stand. DR..
DGlinger, VINO have publicly declared their connec-
| "They are notexcommunicated regularly by def
mite proclamation. but the preachers have declared
from the pupiis that everybody Is eXcommunlcated
| who signs the declaration. This has been said
everywhere In the pulpIts. Whenever IT comes to
the question whether man Is to receive the sacra
ments or not, or to marry they generally ask him
for retrac o, and upon his refusal they refuse the
sacrament or rites. The case OF Professor Zcnger
called forth great sympathy here. because the man
was distinguished scholar and OF high reputation.
| DOLLfNGER's INTENTIONS.
"And may ask whaL movements we may Sn0ruy
expect-in Short what are your tntentlOns?"
| Everybody VINO flnds himself In such DIM
In some way or other the solution viii be iolnd. In
regard TO our Intentions can only tell you what we
already Saa our iSa o. se 2S1 Ss
beginning Of great refOrmatory movement. Inc
conviction of all Of Us who take part in the move.
ment Is this:-Thc system OF spiritual dcspotsm has
gone to its utmost limits; It can not be carried fur
ther than It has been carried Ivy the DEGREES OF the
Vatican COuncil. The Pope Is now declared absolute
master, commander lord and governor OF every
individual born IN the Catholic Church. This Is
very difficult to make 1t understood to people who
not Wei acquainted with these matters tLat m
two decrces-the FIRST decree dec ares that everv
Christian, prince or subject, layman or priest or
| the Pope as his immediate lord and master or all
his actions to whom ne IS suyec, In everything that
regards doctrine, morals and III every action O his
life. Further comes the second decree the dogma
OF lnfa ipillty which Is only corollay OF tne rst
|
! carried to the utmost PITCH"
"It is impossible TO say more. And, therefore, our
9 ea Ts ine svstem sef now atca must
now be carried oct The men VINO nave pledged
Whole nj tramoniane party, above all the Jesuits.
II involves the Catholic Church IN great movement
against The whole present oraer Oi .hngs
! Letter OF 1864 has now become IN lulallbe Decree
consequently binding upon tne conscience nc, OF every
| modern liberties In general are relecIcd anu con-
demned. Now II we take these things togetner In
bower Of The pope over every individual In The
Church, the Syllabus with us condemnation OF
modern hbertics-it Is impossible that such sys.
TEN can be maintained, can be carried out, without
constant fighting"
"wTl You not conc finally to the Idea OF German
Catholic church. mucn spoken Of OF later"
"ln my declaration we show mat lt should come
to that. We ain. rs we say there, to attain true
ecclesiastical reformation, o condition IN whch the
civilized nations OF the Catholic con esson, without
| preudicing their membership In the body OF the
CnIrcn Universal, but free from the yoke OF unjust
DOMINION, to each his ecclesiastical system CORE.
unison with his civillzatory mission and harmOni.
Gus working together OF clergy and laymen; and
ship OF Primate aud Episcopate. which by
| science and active SYMPATHY and participation In
c,y 10 again procure to the Church and there to
MAINTAIN her only true and worthy position a. the
OF the decree m I'M. sa NAV We aa aga ho
proach the highest ann OF Christian development
the uniting OF the now divided CHRISTIAN communities,
| as designed and promised by the FOUNDER Oh Inc
| Church. The German Church would only be MEM
! Der Of the Church Universal We expressly say
without injury TO the whole Church. England
Catholic or creek Church. They feel that
they are in unnatural state, opposed to
the original principles OF the Church We
desire q national German Catholic Church SO far as
| the German national character demands II. We
wish the exclusion Of Italian superstitions wish
to preserve German interests for example, in The
language the use OF the,language IN the Liturgy,
| in n
please them but may please the Roman people. We
wish to do away with the worship OF SAINTS, OF the
worship OF Maria, when Is carried to such an ex-
tent by tho Italian and Spaniard, but which Is now
only arti1cally cultivated among us, put has not
deep root In the people, In the course Of later
formal con versauon DR.. Dolinger uttered
| SOME REMARKABLE WORDS AGAINST POPE PIUs TX,
which would repeat did not fear that they would
only bring further trouble 10 the aged reformcr.
Aud yet nc aid not speak at all bitterly; his charm
na smile never left him; he only appeared sad nc
the late OF his Church being condemned to the