The New York herald., 1871-11-11

ticaa one, you. in America have built and 1t pros.
pera believe IN the logic OF history.
CORREsPoNDENr-From what particular question
do you believe this result must come In Europes
LABOR AND CAPITAL
KossuTH- Only one The comprehensive social
questionable question OF capital and labor. That
mics 10 pe %pnn which ITS Solution can be eased Il Is
knotty complex problem and In its disposition de-
pends the eternal peace OF Europe; ior instance,
ganization Of that kind can remedy the grievances
oil whole Continent. What can you expect the
moral or material power OF society to be which
does not respect The Church, aud which wishes to
dissolve family uesf No with some petulance,,
cannot accept the international as an exponent 1t
is simply a symptom. II indicates the direction Of
the worlds thosght.
CORRESPONDENT And OF The Carbonar,, in Italy9
You have good opportunities OF Judging.
Koss UTH-lt IL no more; at least, not as secret
society, with paSs-Words grips and Oath-bOund
bonds Of fellowship. Once the organization existed.
Now there is no reason for It. Italian republicans
are free to speak their minds they can deliver
public addresses; there is the largest liberty 0 the
press, and Italy to-day Is as republican as q nation
can be under monarchlcal form OF governments.
As told you before about the International aud its
branches so OF the CarDonan and what societies
coming climax symptoms Of the existing disease.
know nothing TO speak OF about what Is gong on
out OF the house, and so, like You. rely on the
papers and my correspondents.
CORREsPONDENT-And do you not believe that the
agreement between Austria aud North Germany to
arrest the progress OF the International viii nave
Just the opposite effectf
KOssUrH-Yes; repressve measures only stimu-
late greater opposition. That is political maxim.
CORES PONDENT-In Austria especially the situa.
tion ls very grave at this timer
GRAVE SITUATION OF AUSTRIA.
pnsru s cong to s end anS e o.
tons concerning the iuure OF all the States In the
empire must soon be solved. 1t Is here that wish
you to remember Two points, First, believe that
Upper and Lower AUSTRIA viii eventually JOIN mat
empire. Look ! 1t II like .~
GRAND MAGNET
and a small scrap OF iron. Austrian Germany win
belong 70 the German empire; emp ! % remember 1 well
"Attack these great questlons-capitAl and lanOr-
and especially the unity Of GERMANY Why do you
what then Is the situatiOn3 The House Of Hapsburg
is going down. Its day has come. II has ruled as
family and upon family ambition for centuries and
the logic OF history ID about making up It's con.
clusion.
CORREsPoNDENT-Ofc course, hungary will then be
the theme OF interestp
KossUTH-Yes. But when you ask me about
Hungary you PROFOUND very difficult question. It
is iull Of complications OF complications. In
the first place let me state my Tears. II Hungary
allows herself to be the tool OF the louse Of Haps
burg she Will be lost. Upper and Lower Austria
with Vienna, must become part OF the German
Hungary 10 save Its waning strength II hungary
puts herself forward at this juncture 70 oppose Ger
celled out to her neghbols. II is her inevitable
destiny. even TINS morning lind In the Journals or
PeSth which come to me every day, that there is
great oion IN Pesth because the writer's say that
Austria trembles IN the balance rhus you perceive
that Hungary, through her leaders has been
scduced into becoming subservienL To the House Of
CoRnEsPoNDENr-whatis is
THE TRUE FUNCTION OF HUNGARY9
KOssUTH-To become an independents STATE That
alone can save Hungary; thai alone can maintain
the equilibrium between the Sclave at END ol the
and the reutons and CelGS and Kindred races
al the Otner tnat alone essential 10 tile peace OF
gressiOns of Russia and the ambition OF Germany.
II her integrity and independence were guaranteed
by Europe peaceful. development could pursue It's
sleauy way. Otherwise hungary Will be broken into
fragments and the wars upon her frontiers VIII De
past Inc present policy OF the hungarian Ministry
is against TINS consummatlon, and Andrassy Is as
much an Austrian as Beast to-day; 80 That lear
Tor hungary as much as hope.
CORRESPONDENT But suppose Hungary becomes
independent,
WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE HAPsBuRGsY
KOssUTH-Tney viii disappear. You know there
ls a law OF nature tnat wlen there is no longer
necessity for things tncy disappear from ecoDO
my. What rlgnt. what business have the haps-
Durgs TO rule Austria or Hungary Tney symnolize
a miserable hctlOn. They are running nations and
natlonalllies Tor tner own dynasty. They do not
care Tor their people.
vellously In tue past i've years under the royal
| patronage OF francis Joseph2
KossuTII-So you will tnd that Tunis has grown,
and that other towns on the borders OF civilization
are nourshing That comes not from royalty, but
| from democracy. The steam engine Is
| THE GREATEST OF POLITICAL ECONOMISTS;
| the telegraph Is the most mvincple OF democrats.
| These Instruments have made America They
! caught your republic at Its low water aud have
borne 1t TO the noodtde OF strength. Pesth muti-
| Hapsburg. How Is Vienna progressingS NV friends
tell me 1t has increased rapidly IN size.
THE PROGRESS OF VIENNA.
CORRESPONDENCE has. There is to be a grand
exhibition in May, 1873. What do you think Of It's
KossUTH with q smile-You say in English
'there's many a slip 'twlxt the cup and the lip"
The time for exhibitions Is over. They do no good.
In Enull nd n
some time past, and the journals pay little attention
to H. In Italy they are gong on constantly. Lately
we nad industrial exhibition at Milan, an agri-
cultural one at Bologna, maritime ialr at Naples.
They led no interest twenty years ago they
did very we'll To-day industry is TOO precious, time
too valuable and competition too exactng TO permit
fair exhibit OF the earhs products, iaDrlcs and IN
dizement Of the power that patronizes them.
prosperity to be guaranteed to the Austrian people
KOssUTH--Only under a republic,
THE HOUSE OF HAPSBURG
can do little or nothing i,,, II must @ go go GOWN: %
empire you must DO so and SO; that IL, surrender
certain national rights This at once arouses that
nationalty-ratner that nat,on-and the doctrine Of
State rights Is violated. What is the consequence
The nation, If 1t be Bohemia, Croatia or Dalma-
the the whole empire has been brought to it. present.
state OF dangerous fermentation and The road has
Of @ Soa hs rue
| the liapsbur2s. Take one State-BOhemia. Assail
its State integrity aud wound Its pride OF nation.
aty 1rst, alter such treatment II will seek to
sert Its own independence and then will fall into the
| line OF Pan-Sclavsm and ultimately JON the great
and protect 1t. Tnls Is the current OF
| the Austrian States. They are drifting
towards their magnetic allies the Scaves 10 PAN
Sclavism, the Teut0ns TO the German empire; and
out of this wreck 1t bchooves Hungary TO save her
SELL and become, as she may, the balance wheel OF
such violent political forces as may be evolved 1t
Is, therefore, because republic alone can solve
these questions and assign to each state t6 own,
that the Hapsburgs must dissolve.
CORES f0NDENT-Tnen you believe In
THE LINES OF NATIONALITIESY
KossUTH-NO, sir. That ls the great mistake.
People confound nations aud natiOnalities. The
principles OF nationalies ~ wrong and anti repub
lcan. That OF nations Is dlfferent and embodleS
the rights OF peoples not OF fractions OF races. The
effort now, under the monarchy, Is to reduce the
problem 10 one OF natOnalities. and in this respect
ihe IIapsburgs are unWittngly doing their best 10