The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1871-09-23

The Republican Troubles in New York ana
Massachusetts, aad Their Bearings Uson
the Presidential Question.
The democratic party throughout the coun-
try is disheartened and more or less democrat
lied,
From the centre all round to the sea,
by the terrible misfortunes that have fallen
upon Tammany. In this city the party is all
at sea, and throughout the State amazement
and fearful misgivings prevail in the ranks.
spoils of the republican factions, the sin
siders" and the ''outsiders," the result Of our
November State election may be considere
doubtful. This fight is simply the old Custom
House fight, which, under Pierces administra-
| ton, split the democratic party of the State
into two parties-a Bronson party and Red
| field party, ''hardshell" party and ''soft-
SHELF party, whereby, in 1854 the fusion
candidate for Governor of wings and Know
Nothings was elected. Thus dispossessed Of
the State the democrats did not recover its full
possession till this year. They were thrown
out partially or entirely from year to year for
seventeen years, and now, after fourishing and
singing for one short season as msrrily as the
seventeen year locusts, they are in fair way
to disappear, like those extraordinary locusts,
for seventeen years again.
We repeat it, as our deliberate opinion, how
ever, that this present Custom House squabble
among the republicans may make an opening
whereby, even upon short party vote, the
democrats in November may save the State.
1t is the avowed purpose of the republican fac
ton represented by Messrs. Fenton and
Greeley, outside the Custom House, to reduce
General Grant to one term, if possible; and
as this will be simply impossible, unless
break is made against General Grant in New
York this fall, we look for break in the COM
ing Republican State Convention. In all their
other State conventions, North, South, East
and West, the republicans have heartily en-
| dorsed the administration of General Grant,
but upon this test in this approaching Republic
| can Convention of New York lies the danger of
| a split. How the party can endorse it's ma
tional administration without endorsing Gene
raj Grant for the succession, unless they shelve
him by qualifying resolution in favor of Mr..
Greeleys one-term principle, we cannot divine.
We dare say, however, that this State Con-
vention will endorse General Grants admins
| tration and will reject the one-term principle
but what will follow this line of actionp The
| capitulation Of the Fenton-Greeley faction or
their bolt upon new departure" In this
event of bolt there will be an opening for
the democracy in our November election which
may give them the State, notwith standing the
collapse of Tammany Hall.
| Nor can we imagine what Mr.. Fenton and
Mr.. Greeley are driving at, if they have not
deliberately made up their minds to supersede
General Grant as the regular republican can
didate in 1872, or to run an Independent ticket
| against him on subsOil platform. To super
| sede General Grant they must now do some
thing in New York to his disadvantage, or the
scheme Of cutting him out of the regular party
nomination must be abandoned. In abandon
ing this scheme the disaffected faction must
lay down their arms, or switch off the track
and take to the woods as bushwhackers. This
will probably be the upshot of the Syracuse
Republican Convention, unless Mr.. Greeley
may graciously condescend to accept the party
ticket, while repeating his declaration of 1852,
that 1--WE spit upon and execrate this plat
FORM" The issue will be settled in the deci-
sion Of the convention upon the question Of
the admission of the Grant Murphy delegates
or the Fenton-Greeley delegates as the legit-
mate representatives of the republican party;
and we have not the remotest idea that the
delegates representing General Grant as the
head of the party will be rejected. In any
event there is chance of republican split at
enable the democracy to save the State, and
thus to get fairly upon their pins again for the
Presidential contest.
On the same day appointed for the Republi-
can State Convention Of New York, the 9th
inst, the Massachusetts, Convention of the
party will be called to order. Strange, too,
as it may appear, the signs of the times FORE
shadow division among the Old Bay State
republicans, which may give the Governor to
| the democrats, in the election Of their candi-
date. John Quincy Adams The Massachusetts
| Convention will number over a thousand
| delegates OF seven hundred and eighty
| five elected three hundred and two
are Butler men and four hundred and
| eghty-three opposed to him; but, on the
| other hand, Butler claims four-ffths of
these delegates. He made stout fight in
Boston the other evening, carrying forty-six
delegates against fifty-three for the opposing
coalition, and he swept the board in Lowell,
carrying the whole twenty-five delegates.
From all these evidences, though regarded
by the old Bourbous as an interloper, we see
that Butler is strong man among the repub-
licans. But the danger to the party lies in
the strong probability that in being rejected
by their convention General Butler will bolt,
and run as an independent candidate. In this