The New York herald., 1871-09-26

LOring. Personally like L0rlng. lie is very hne,
cultivated gentleman, OF discriminating tastes and
abOunding IN what you newspaper men know as
the aesthetic temperament. There Is only one naw
CoRREsPoNDENT-And what is that General9
General BurI.ER-That Is agriculture. The Doctor
years or more he has been working the farmers OF
the state with view to the GuDernatoral CHAIR and
ne has talked and bu n of S
not blame MN for that. Then, as for wanting to be
Governor may say "know how It IS myself, " and
flaw connected with agriculture Is that the Doctor
is so excessively umid that he never has dared to
run in the Convention. The result Of failure, he
fauces would be his death warrant. SO he prefers
to obtain nomination at all rather than risk the
CORRESPONDENT see General. Now as to his
position with reference to yourself. presume you
Butter You viii ind Loring,n and rtce versa.
General BUrLER-Yes. have read as much In the
daily press bat can assure you place little de-
pendence upon it. i have made no arrangements
with the Doctor.
CoRaEsPoNDENr-Non at all, Generala
General BUrLER-Wel, Of course, il the Doctor
should desire to assist In my nomination should
not object to II.
General BuTLER-No; cannot say that he has;
but have 10 idea that he would lose anything py
throwing MS weight IN the balance IN my lavor.
CORKEsPONDENT-rhe Doctor has great many
friends in Essex county,
General BUTLER doubtless.
CoRREsPoNDENT-And they will do, in q measure,
as the Doctor may intimate Is bis wlshr
CoRREspoNDENT-Then, as l look at the matter
the Doctor, with view TO Congress, having per-
Gubernatoriai contest. Will not be reluctant to use
his influence 10 the nomination of you. self2
General BUTLER ,quietly)-Posslb,y.
CORRESPONDENT-Well prObablyY
General BUTLER-Wel, probably.
CoRREsPoNDENT-Then, it seems to me, that with
out any doubt the Doctor wi work for you IN the
present campaign; although, General / dlscaim
any cOgnzance OF the facts IN the case.
Sa he w as al
ready iDtlmated, is a queer genius good deal dis
posed 70 Be tim,a and at me same time earnest a
ocs but he Mont get any ISs ns year o mat,
General BUTLER-Yes. Sir. quite sure, and will
that as matters now stand, the republican
Wil not as ssy tnSt under o!Ser
he might act diterenty but should not be at all
surprised If, in the present campaign, he should
tscitly If not actually, lay himself out in my In:
General. have given the Doctor credit for Q great
deal OF perspculty, and l haven't the slightest
1a aS W T for
General BUTLER-YOu are man after my own
heart quite agree with you on matters OF political
YORK HERALD my fullest apologies for ever think
ing it-as l have sometimes.erre IN Judgment
means" and II through all your circumOcutiOn you
have arrived at definite conclusion at this crisis
great Confidence IN the HERALD and lor the matter
oi that always have had.
CORREsPONDENr-The the forestalling you in the
Salem caucuses, as SO eXutanlly reported and dl.
lated upon by the Boston newspapers, was merely
blind as to the real status Of the situatlonY
General BUTLER Starting back)-A blind
CORES pom DENT-yes, sir, blind.
General BUTLER-I don't know that understand
CORREspoNDENT-we Imean that it was merely
intended to make the party voters think that you
and the Doctor are opposed TO each g 9theT. M meyer
thought that your interests anu those OF the Doctor
were IDENTICAL, for l know that you and ne both
years. and | am not at all surprised that things
have turned out as they have. Ia" fardon
e mo doubt oe "siSu that Loing ' viii Combine con- his
men on you, and that when the proper time shall
arrive, whether this year or the next or the next,
you viii combine your men on Lorng.
General BUrLER-fou are parloned, sir.
CORES EspONDENT- Now, as to the present situation,
Geueral BUTLER-l think 1t Is fair, fairly favor
CORES spoNDENT-To yoursef9
General BUTLER-To myself.
CORES rONDENT-But, OF course, you do not and
cannot expect that victory will come without
General BurLER-No, l expect there will be q de-
termined fight on both sides, both by my own
they largely outnumber me; ! expect the state
| Convention at Worcester Will be the liveest Con
Se am ate%ps 0t Which
conquer only by the strongest % array OF my forces;
| press my wish that the best man will win.
| General BUrLER-That is where, MIR. HERALD, yOu
| are right; for If the best man wins shall win.
| Why, what have these republican leaders to Oner
CoRREsPoNDENT-Jewer
General BUTLER-Retired
| CORREsPoNDENT-So he has; forgot Washburn
| Geueral BuTLER-A farmer; he viii do very well.
But can tell you his chances compared TO my own
| are small. WashDurn may get three hundred dele
gates; / can count on four hundred and fifty before
| the Convention begins
CORRESPONDENT-Rce
| General BUrLER-He has done well with the P.
l. LIS. He did well before with the p. L. l.. sup
port and expect this year he Will 90 well with the
i. l.. l.. He Is man Of irreproachable character,
and if the present canvass were not replete with
questions OF pressing importance l should retire in
favor of Rice, believing that | could not succeed
against him; but ! feel now that Rice cannot do
anything. He is good man, but have by far the
strongest support. TIE result will be-Washburn
will withdraw, Rice will be fastened on. l shall
have to contend with Alexander er H. Klce: n,,ns
Rice's chances are better tnan those OF Wasnburn2
General BUTLER-I do. indeed; yet cannot ex.
plain why do. There are q great many IN favor or
Washburn; IN TACT, may say the Washburn men are
strong. WashDurn and Lorng can control the
informal vote (which Will be taken early in the pro-
ceedings OF the Convention Rice will stand con-
siderably higher than Washburn. Washburn at
first may command majority OF the votes; but the
fact will be seli.evident that Rice Will stand the
best as "a candidate. However, have. great re-
speCt for both gentlemen and may say they are
| very nearly evenly mated.
CoRREsPoNDENT- washburn, they say, Will COM
| mand 800 vOtes,
General BUrLER-Perhaps.
| CoRREsPoNDENT-The whole republican delega-
| ton Is ,l05; that leaves for Rice $685.
q General BUTLER-But LoringY
| CORRESPONDENCE say LOring will withdraw,
/ or rather you intimate that ne WILL in your favor.
General BUTLER-And so he will
CoRREsPONDENT-Then there Is quite a vote that
| Is characterized as ''unknownn
| General BuTLER-Well, suppose there is; what
does 1t amount to? have no doubt the unknown
| vote will be settled one way or another. 1 expect
| good deal Of 1t will be cast In my own favor.
CORREsPONDENT-That Will leave you, counting
| all in. 655 votes TO 450 which latter, believe, is
| your estimate OF Butler votes 2"
General BUTLER-Yes, 655; but expecting should
secure the LOring vote In addition to the 450 that
Will assuredy be cast in my favor, and the unknown
vote, that Will leave me 555 votes to $50, clear
majority, as you can see in my favor.
CORRESPONDENT see, General. I think you
| will receive majority OF the votes cast
| General BUTLER-well. ! can't tell; there Is a
| great deal OF uncertainty about 1t. hope for q
| majority. l am free to confess to you that have
been little alarmed at the turn afiairs have taken
of late; but shall do my best and spare no effort,
| and think may fairly place myself on a par with
my opponents.
CoRREsPONDENT- In case you should not Sc.
cure the nomination, General, will you boJ9
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