The New York herald., 1871-12-19

nrst heard THAI endeav0rs were being made TO get
ae es owners 81 81 as ne osprey mad
in reply 70 inquiries or them, that they knew
e1 :'n as Captain Iy e Ss ovsS Osprey s
M list OF the crew Of tne Osprey of later period:
picked up the claimant; have not seen Inst Of
Lewis owen in the list Of the crew 81 the Osprey
y dad not occur 10 him TO ask the claimant
did not correspond with tic description Of the
vessel the claimant stated picked him up at sea;
OF the crew Of another vessel-the Middleton:
heard that !! had been ascertained that Arthur
Ss,. Orion 6S 6ad 10 been passenger on board that
upon the particular name OF Lewis owen; believe
Lewis owen, or Owen Lewis, Is Q frequent name Of
with captain Of that name ' whlca was was al Mel.
bourne IN 1854; have heard claimant say over anu
over agaln-beiieve IN lS67-IhaI the ship which
PICKED hum up was an Amerlcanj cannot say
whether this was early or late IN 1so7-wnether
Christmas; DID not attach much Importance 10 It;
believe nothing was said about 1t IN the Cnancery
examination; the Themls y not an American vessel,
Mr.. HAwKNs-That being the case. can you ac-
count for thus passage IN letter OF the clalmant
written nom Liverpool in July, 1885, "It Ia now be-
yona all doubt that II was the Tnemis that picked
wEssss-No; suppose ne thought she was an
Mr.. HAwkINs-Do you know now that Mr.. Hop
eena normaoa about the issi Bea ia 'ns %
WITSEss-Yes saw the mate OF the Tnema IN
Bioom9oary IN July lS7o and conversed with him
an hour woula have been the outside: made mem.
Ss a liverpool fe ascsr eSa
tanned the fact that she shortly gong to sea- to
the best OF my recollection did not tell the result OF
my interview to Mr.. Holmes; he had ceased to not
then; no step was taken to examine the mate after
s s M osans oo a =
claimant had an impression about the Osprey, as II
ne was not quite sure whether It was the Osprey or
enc TnemfS that picked him up; twelve months ago
Themis any more; he did not % tell me that that he he
cabin In which ne had passed his time during
his voyage; heard him say the ship had Q round
the fhsm wa ana as ne s n
Nicholls brother, VINO resembled the captain thar
Strong Keneas ao te a aa sa ne
the Themis; did NOT ask him how, n that were tue
case, ne came to his upon the name OF Lewis owen;
the claimant IL careless man, has always been
and Always WIN BE-; Mr. Holmes never showed me
any. Of Bridges, letters; ne never told me that
Bridges had said that he hoped he might do with
out Hansard. Or at all events, render his testimony
Of little value to their opponents; have never seen
self; am desirous OF giving every Information in
the interests Of truth and justice
his LoRDsHIP--I have on several occasions been
obliged TO call upon you not TO introduce matter
foreign 70 the questions put to you think there
fore. when you are asked whether you have seen
been more candid had you said you had seen the
WITSRss-yery rood. INV lord. but rave d,rect
answer TO the question the learned counsel asked
M. nAwx1Ns-I dare soy ! shall GET accustomed
when you saw the log Of the Tnemis, you observed
any entry about her having picked up ship
in July 1865 did not hear the claimant say any thing
about the mate OF the Themls; remember an adven-
ture having been 81 oxen or when some troops were
on their way from Bombay 10 Annesley Bay; some
he were st
and they SAID tnat the mate (Hansard) had stated
that ne was the man who had picked young Roger
MI. HAWKINS then read q letter from witness to
Mr.. Rouse, dated eth July, 1885, IN which he said he
ter OF eight pages whicn he had lead; tnat he
thought the claimant was rather cool ab0ut the
that The adventure occurred when the troops were
on their way from Bombay to AnnesIey Bay, which
ss nave Dea six ssG Or tn' more ana WIG
witnessl-What was 1t that made you write that y0u
Thought the claimant was rather cool about tho
WTrNsss-Cannot n @ tell, except tnat thought there
was more In " than he seemed to think; when the
information was given 70 him ne did not seem TO
Mr.. HAwKlNs-whatl not when he was told that
the mate OF the ship winch had picked him up was
WlTNEss-No; he has always treated things In
Mr.. HAwKINs-Then what made you put three
notes Of admiration AFTER itY
SO; had nigh words with the claimant because he
did not attend 10 his business In London, and
as ;Fe at H. time Was sSu
his having to 60 to Chile. but do not know that
he was evincing any disposition to attend the com.
mission; the order for the commission was granted
IN July, 1s6S; do nos remember any conversation
with Bupitt with re erence to the Themis; Bulpitt
could have done board the Tnemis; 1t Ia very
likely thought It UNIV ise thing for claimant to
60 TO Liverpool by hlmself; he might get into mis-
Mr.. HAWKINS then read two letters from witness
a written r aknu July a ,sOS Scuba n ~ e , ne
extracts from Miss Braine's letter. she lays 1t on
pretty stin,. l must say. The claimant does
morning. mo- ing ana I know % n her letter @ Cont contained ned
somelhing he did not ike or appreciaie.
sR Rs s s0aS y v ouos about &c
mare, and TO learn what painti1 did on board the
occurred:-"T6anks for your letter am surprised
at the contents, also AZ what Mrs. Rouse told me
about affairs. Really, it seems TO me worse and
worse, and as II things were darkenlng. am very
uncomfortable, and do not like his (claimanrs)
gong away BY himself to Liverpool. noton on &C.
seems more and more unsatisfactory and uncertain.
70 onS aV %
wtnessl: What became OF the extracts from Miss
and which made the claimant LOOK yery eiumY
WIrNEss-I burned 1t.
MIR. HAwKINs--I nave another letter here, In
which you say 1t Is absolute necessity tnat claim.
ant should 90 to Chile and boldly face the c0mmls-
sion. DO you still adhere TO that2 eT
WITNESs-M0st certainly | do.
Mr., HAwKlNs-Tnat ~ TO soy, II he be the true
map 49, .Ts..es.ss -..,-~. tr
WlTNEss-He is the true man. !, w., 4v,.~..--
Mr.. hAwKINs-I know; you have said so several
times before. There Is still another letter Of yours
and IN II you say that, having perused the Austria
up the identity OF DE Castro and Arthur Orton, but
that the claimant had only to 60 TO Australia and
your 0pnionY
WlTNEss-Yes. .mu&8e
Mr.. HAWkNS-l discover too, that " former
letter you cay there Is no doubt that great ln-
nuence lad been brought to bear against the claim
well. Upon what authority did you dare 10 make
that assertion9 Is II reckless, unf0unded state
ment or do you make II upon authOrityf
WITEEss-I think I heard II IN conversation
either with Colonel Washington or Mr.. Onslow; It