The New York herald., 1871-10-11
erssandine tina. was to ny their nag which no

hEfOhTEh-SuppOSe you Sdlleu Tue tWc1vt IdCcs
and the result was six and SIX, what tnen'
Mr.. AsHBCRY-Such @ result is possible, but not
n nrS M .nSt case S % would o re e ann
tney would give an odd race. OF course they would
RRPoRTER-Now, Mr.. Ashbury, what is your sub
stantal ground OF objection TO the proposition OF
the sub committee. The America had only one
race against feet and the New York Yacht Club
Offer to give you six races, and your opponents 10
he single yesselsf
Mr.. AsHBORY-n l had come out here with seven
certificates It would he different but have come
out with twelve and the twelve are just as binding
FORMAL AND OFFICIAL
as the seven are
REPoRrER-Would IL not be much easier for You
to sail seven races instead OF twelve. You said on
previous occasion that You would be placed az
disadvantage IN sailing twelve races consecltively,
inasmuch as IL would be an act OF 1av0r ana cour-
| tesy and not as an act OF rights
KEroRTER-Do you think the members OF the New
| falr OF unsporsmanke2
Mr.. AsHBURy-I maintain that matters at present
| indicate acts which In England would be considered
| UNsPoRTsMANLIKE;
that s as sailing over the course and the dispute
| In all other respects think that the members have
behaved fairly enough. think, however, that they
having studied or carefully weighed the challenge
| and the deed OF trust.
| trust closely, Commodore. You got TO windward
| there.
that. Pretty good, wasn't IT,
THE YACHT AMERICA.
MISUNDERSTANDING about concessions, Mr.. Ash
bury, the yacht America did not get many cOnceS
sions from the English yachtsmen.
Mr. AsRBuRY-Yes, the yacht America sailed that
sailed In accordance with the club rules she would
not have won the race. AT the same time. although
doubt have beaten anything in England in ordinary
match sailing. Although say she would nave lost
that particular race / am not meaning to infer that
we mad anything in England that could have beaten
| her.
REpohTER That's very clear; but there are many
C0mmnlOrQ.
Mr.. AsHIuRY-I am willing TO sal this race with
time allowance according to the rules Of the club.
REPORTER--lf understand you, Mr.. Asnbury, un-
less you regarded this national thing on your
part you would not perhaps insist upon SO many
| races.
Mr.. AsHBuRY-There you have It, You see II
were here IN my u
would give series OF challenges and enter for
every race and 1t would be quite optional for the
aeae to q senS the Lvona 10
England or sail over the course and demand the
cup, 10 you ntena 70 M san am any private matcnesf
REPoRTER-You claim to ny the nag OF twelve
| Mr.. AsHBURY-Yes, OF course do
REpoRTER-Suppose the club were to allow you
e san twelve races would You san under the aoya
OtherSY
Mr.. AsuBuRY--As an act Of courtesy It would
! In majority OF cases under that nag one Of the
other clubs might claim the prize on the ground
dersIanding that would ny their nag, which
| would no doubt Oe the case
REP0RTER-Supp0se you raced twelve races and
the result was Six and six what then
Mr.. AsHBURy-Wel, such result no doubt Is
Be tie and it would be FOR the % club Sse 70 consider m
whether they would give an odd race
Of the sub-commtteeS They oner you seven races.
Mr. AsHBURY-Ir haa come out here with seven
ceruncates it would be different, but / have come
out with twelve and 1t is just as binding and just
as formal and official as the seven are.
REPORTER-WOuldn't It be much easier TO sail
seven instead OF twelve. which
consecutvely, would fatigue your crew, while those
OF other vessels would be fresh every day2
Mr.. AsHBURY-NO such question: arises. have
come 01t lor speGa, purpose and am bound TO
make woud be to to eleven races instead OF
twelve, the odd number to prevent what would be
dseo II It should happen 70 % be tie or six TO six
would You have any objection TO let the Liv0nla re-
main Tor three or four private matches'
| Mr.. ASHBURY-If there was any particular wish
would be very glad to enter for four or five races
REroRTER-I suppose Commodore, you would
| say for $1,000 cup, TO make 1t interestingly
Mr.. AsHEuRY-Not FOR a $1,000 cup. Oh, no: l
REPoRTsR,You consider. OF course, thar the
Liyonia could beat the sappho2
| Mr.. ASHBURY-We, she would stand q fair
chance OF doing so II 1t blew good
| TEN KNOT BREEZE.
| REPoRTER-Ur any other yacht In the sQuadrOn9
Mr.. AsnBuRY-Yes think SO.
| REPoRTER-If you sailed the twelve races and
dore. we should never see YOU ia New YORK aralu.
at least looking after the cnpY
Mr.. ASHBURY-My eemfpuDIlC uut1eS are very
onerous and cannot always command my own
time; but IL Is possible may return at some future
time.
REPoRTRR-In that case would you come for one
yacht club or Tor several9
Mr.. MISUNDERSTANDING the clubs were satisfied
with my course here IN having refused race they
would give me their certificates again, as well as
other clubs, perhaps.
REPoRTER-You are willing TO sail eleven racesf
Mr.. AsHBURY-0h yes.
REPoRTER-lf YOU sail over the course alone 1t
Mr. AsHBURY-I know ] can do IT, The only
question is whether VIII do it. think Will.
THE CHALLENGE.
REPoRTER-In your challenge or the 18th August
see the list Of clubs numbered from one to twelveP
Mr.. AsHBuRY-Tne object OF the numbers is to
show had no partiaty for my own club, OF which
am Commodore, or any other club particularly. A
ciav. at INV request. baIioted for that ana nrn.
missed that / would race Tor the different clubs
in the way they came out and the odd number win.
ming the race why the cup was 10 20 that club,
which now could not do. In consequence OF the
New York Club insisting that should sail the races
under the flag OF the Royal Harwicn Yacht Club.
KEPoRTER-When you sail over the course VIII you
hoist the nag OF the Royal Harwich Yacht ClubY
MIR. AsHBuRy-Uh no; as would sail seven races
out OF twelve, in that case would hoist the rags In
their order, that OF the Duke Of Edlnburg coming
| first
REfoRTER.But You win give oflical notice to the
| club OF your intenti0nY
Mr. AsnBURY-I shall give notice fixing the day
and time In the event of my coming to the cOnclu-
sion to adopt That course and 1t Is very probable
REPoRrEB-Am to understand that You are NOT
going to open any more negotiations with the club
Mr shn, mot: mot shall make no
already communicated.
REPoRrER-If the Llvonia goes home in two or
three days what will you 40 with yourself com
modore2
Mr. AsHBuRY-My mother and a friend are in
Canada should tnen, the next day, 20 10 Canada
and bring them TO New York, ana take them home
as quick as possible.
REPoRTER-Wnen will you sail over the courseY
Mr.. AsHBURy-If can be sure there wonld be no
yacht against me should sail on Thursday, but the
possibility OF Yacht being sent out would make me
take as much precauton as n II were race by an
nouncement should then sa over the course on
Friday and saturday.
This brought the conversation TO q close, and the
Commodore resumed the writing OF his letter to the
HERALD, which wall he found below.
LETTER FROM MR.. ASABURY.