The New York herald., 1871-12-06

namely, had Zorrilla ever limited IN Counct Oh
Ministers the advisability OF selling CUBA. Your
readers will observe Topete confined MS remarks 10
mis- own sentiments and as 10 those OF others
''mam's the word" senior Navarro spoke again:
as folows:-.For the truth or for the injustice OF
he mas no occasion 10 Rlve me thanks. As respects
the point raised not cited Senor Zosrilla, but
those governments to whom alluded AFTER the elo.
| quent and significant words OF Senior Topete.'
ZoRRILLA-Senor Navarro has founded q real accu-
sation in the words OF Senor lOpete, and this point
| indirectly Inat there was Minister VINO proposed
the sale OF Cuba, and now ne Implies that was
NAvAaRo-Do you wish me to repeat what l
saidY e9f
ZoRslLLA-with much pleasure.
NAvAkRo-I repeat now that said II was not
who ought to treat OF the question OF the ultramar
for upon 1t other orators would speak, who could
with more authority penetrate into the 0bscurltes
OF the question. and that when they spoke they
would demonstrate who were those who had hopes
Of our race and Of our country. said that When
we treated OF this question we should know who
tnat then should learn whether or not sale
the Island OF Cuba had been proposed. lrepeat
what said. UH
ZoRRI.I4maere are Two poIns, M !. Is my duty to
Tne rs1 point Is tnas III there mad been Ministers who
had more and others who had less faith in the
saiyatloa Of Cuba Gould the volunteers have been
and could these have saved Cuba or notS On this
point we VIII speak In due lime. But the second
point Is the one to be cleared this very night aud
In this complain OF Senior Navarro y Kodrlgo
who spoke OF what he mad heard OF what passed In
counch OF Ministers. -
NAvARRo-Oh, read In the newspapers.
ZoRRILLA-.A press like the spanish, which, If
newspapers which appear 10 be dedicated TO- no
other object than to caluminate and insult public
make max accusations M here from from what Is SAID in
the newspapers: My friend, SeIor Topele, has
tine Il G s anS ne aa
He has said he always had faith in the salvation OF
Cuba; but It would appear that IN saying this some
know II all his other companions In the Anstry had
the same faith that the island should continue being
Spanish province. Very weil "a mtno me due'en
ToPETE-Nor me either,
ZokR!LLA--I don't complain OF Senior Topete or OF
q zorra n, then put the straight question to rOpese'
and 70 II Tope'e gave ", .,o,,n nv., M
=. ZoRRILLA-seIor Iopete 40 you remembermttnis
Is % Ss
have formed part that ulrecty or indirectly al.
iuded 10 the sale OF the Island Of CuOa'
MANY vo1CEs-EnouGh eroughl lBastdi oasta y
mot 0AA1 Of those men ne ~ who, S0SIi In ques. s%
lions Of honor, fear the light il neces-
will not retire TO my house until 1t is cleared up
l will not leave the post TO my adversaries, however
see present, ana who have been with me in vari
manifested IN all our Counciis Of Ministers Let
Them tell the whole truth to the Chamber. AS re.
grs what Others ISa9 may nave sa DO mot ask nem
desire 10 sustain; but In whatever refers to let
As TaE RI fnorosirIoNs n % MADE TO THE GOVERNMENT.
ToPErB-I believe the Chamber ana Senior
Zorrilla win do me the. justice to be.
Of Savro bces The ~ cam sns
Der believe had anything 70 DO with what the press
Wn pae nv Se
e., % ca1ns 15s dSs5,oo nsn spea1Rs Ts
par parts: Frst-Dd he make ''' propositions 'MS for
The sale e Of Cuba to- To THIS answered no Sec.
advanced respecting greater less faith the sal
yat!on Of Cubs. must say Senior Becerra and !
ofered TO 20 out to Cuba added that would not
60 under the orders Of senior Malcampo or Oabalero
made 10 the Spanish government FOR the sale s'e Of
Cuba and said that Il this question came to dls-
retire from the ministry The sale OF Cuba was not
proposed BY Senior Zorrilla. \ -,
FiGUERAS-Did he support IT. tA0
LOST HOPE or SAVING CUBA.
TopETE-I nave not 70 answer you but win tell
nope Of saving Cuba. Nothing was said OF wishing
to sell IT, N we are Speaking 81 grave questions IN
cene Win defend a Of the t eveT anS IN
ali places. He who ls not content with tnls let him
ASK to TO me- p but win not
WHAT ANOTHER MINISTER HAD TO sAv. te
Senior ARDANAz-Never have risen more affected
ness ana imparnality incumbent on me from the
circumstance that have on former occasions be-
very prudent in bringing to this place aluslons to
discussions IN the Council OF Minister'S In one
the good fortune to interpret in such manner the
sentiments OF the country In favor OF the integrity Of
the territory that the President OF the Council en-.
trusted me with the editing OF the instructions to be
given and OF the answers 70 be made to mpertinent
illusions I viii say no more on this. have now
the minutes aud the documents OF that Council do
not feel authorized % give account Of what is q
zorrlla dla not make such proposition. a7 ~
TIE rkIcE Of cySAEsrASlsa ,s BLOOD %
his opinions In o cou1cn Of Ministers, believe my.
ss e SsSsa IN s sepsa ssy
propositions for the sale OF Cuba were made:
Would Would pot Ss sen Cuba except ss the price inc S9oS
Of spain. Neither did we "a our councils treat Of
as 81 ps c
single Spaniarl who doubted our triumph over those
q Sc ass Isa p
ali my coiIessues. 0 '''' : ''' '''''~ =
ARE MINISTERIAL COUNCILS SECRET.
Senior BECERRA-l have heard much speaking on
the Ultramar but have never lowered myself 10 tho
now declare never should have believed myself
authorized to explain what has been said In
Q Council OF Ministers; but as the question
neither Sehor Zorrilla nor any OF my companions
ever proposed the sale OF Cuba. We spoke OF what
was In the newspapers, and said that II any span
lard proposed the sale ne ought to be shot one
minute afterwards. l said also In the Council or
Ministers that any other nation ntervened In the
AFFAIRS OF Cuba we would defend our honor ut any
cost. II is quite true, offered to 20 out to adopt
the necessary defensive means Tor have never be-
leved We should make concessions OF any class TO
those who ask them with arms IN their hands.
Next rose cxMinlster Ardanaz again.
Senor ARDANAZ-I think / understood Senor
Ayala that there might arise q case In which he
would feel himsef obliged TO reveal wnat had &C
| Cured at o Council OF Ministers.
Senior AYALA-l didn't say 3d.
| Benor ARDANAZ-What he manifested was tnai he
might consider himself obliged 10 state the opinions
susianed BY any Minister u such Minister requested