New-York tribune., 1871-04-15
rAMMANY'S DILEMMA.
Continued from Third Pago.

IBIS hG9b %o o Pnt exercising that right which the
pnOSrsey OF tons saTe s eyT SS exSrsed they have
~ cancus and the minority OF that caucus nave noMev
n Se viii OF the majority and have agreed only that
10 e vote against certain bills that believe 10 DO
rurIous TO the best interests Of the people. o,,nst
Mr. Jacobs-Did the minority agreelh caucus "s"
s mr Istteiohn-I think am quito competent 70 pre-
M my views without intorrogajons of this chaIaGIo;
Sone6 am willing to answer them now. repeat 'o not
mis- Is not revolutionary step al an; We We have
mnly decided that whenever the majority ne
forward bill such that for the repeal % Sa orty ones
law and other bills that We believe to 9e PVcw last
inns we shall not vote for these ells bills vork had
evening, II my friend ~ from dG,i,rters Of an hour.
and had permitted legisson TO go eoied On n onr Vot@s
we would simply 3 yoed ae for such bills
S, aSiiuS,' ms SNhf to mass There IS nothing IeNo-
ulon9T N & int Tor It ceTian Tf q bills Now Mt Chairman
Iyii n Ter 10 another fact that may % i T rs ti
euoe in guiding the minority n3rtW W. that Mr. Twomby
We boiieve, as Pa pfn ~ seat uTon this floor We
U ,ot a. fbat seat had been awarded to him, the
orfv in his House would have been with the Repub
csns We believe that you eNeIeTu d % Cn9 P1MTss Tt
IN NAT way constitutional majority OF GS upon thls
~ aes To decide and. IL possible, to arrest legislation
jb i'm our opinion. VIII be damaging TO the best in
gfbS baliotbox We believe that there is no higher
neton than tins Registry act ana the OH aneeune tne
Election CT the state ad Tor my part as party
an ard rs citizen Of the state, am opposed to these
same bills These briefly some of the reasons that
nave induccd tue minority upon TINS hOor not 10 take
revolutionary step. but to meet in caucus and decide
,sst tbev will not vote for certain bills We ready TO
F,ich we have named. II prevent their pas
sa,c we feel have done duty 10 the state.
the h, before Us, do not believe that IL
: priyIcrcd question. Whyl Because this Lcgisla-
,ure has fixed time for adjournment, and this bill
rau hcr,ached IN INC ordinary course III Is rs sure 10
be reached IN due time as that the sun VIII rise To-
NJ Fciis-I would ask il this resolution which will
rad and To viii is affixed the name Of the gentleman
rom o5Ts2 ANA a orory T GG rSonop o 70 be passd bv
party caucus Mr. Fields Tea the last OF the re>Ou-
tons OF the i publican caucus, threatening 10 denQunCe
traitors IN the puDhc pres an those VINO i.eu 10
,Dpy with the Of the caucus, and continued >
sr have never before read resolution OF that KIND
IN IltejGEl-That has no bearing upon the question
Mir IieIds-It has bearing upon what YOU said, for
you were defending the action of your party III caucus
upon this matter as being of an ordinary ana eSlnhte
description; ana call our attention 10 tis rtsoIoi
1ni ASK yon II 10 is any ord nary resolution 10 Dc pSSeu
oy party caucus IN relation TO legislation coming before
Mf LtticiohIrEitis is only done by writing and sigma
of every man who 1ees abide by the decision OF
caucus. IL is only reducing 10 writing what Wlthout
good party not 20 know that every man that en-
party and agrees to be guided IL his action
by it, bound by the highest considerations OF honOr 10
abide by its decisions until he b9tS from Inc party ana
,akcs independent attitude To resume ms Is ioI
privileged question Why Because this bill can he
reached in due OF time in the ordinary course ol
Mr.. Jacobs-I should like to ask the gentleman from
o,Tego wheher N the mctA ne tLe people Oh Gi t4o t
b. represented herei If We are 10 60 on with egsIa
uon should the people that district have their
voice and their vote here well rs those Of any OIcr
part Of the state
Mr.. Idttleohn-Mr. Speaker, the party Of which am
smcmber have determined that II was right TO Oppose
h bill because IL could be defeated could prevent
the outrageous attempts to interfere with ana beaA
the barriers when stand around the purity OF the
bahot-bOx. We believe that justified in resortinS
"a every legitimate means III legislation 10 prevent lo
20 the gentleman from Kings, will simply say on the
part Of the minority on this floor, that we are ready
now, in kindly spirit, tie spirit which has
with the ordinary legislation of the session We ad-
Vocate no revolutionary action We are ready 10 60 on
with the discharge OF our duties under our oah OF once
and TO vote for such bills commend themselves 10 our
best Judgment as conducive TO me interests OF G ote
snd against those which we believe to be injurious 70
sensitive about the rght OF constituency TO pe
scntcG here ask why il stands upon the question OF the
senatorial District OF Santogdf ,,., A.,
Mr. Fields-My friend is too well acquainted with the
usage Of parliamentary bodies not TO know tha tat ls
tOI2 % 10! IA ois, % 80, an tbe Vacancv i'm their body.
viii give my heartest support TO them ana DeHy't
every member OF my party viii do the same Bui What
are called upon, now TO do Is to nj tAe N"e"n' III
Mr. IttIei36n-The answer TO that is here. The right
n renrrsenftiOu is principle ana il vacancy exists
I'm ~ S1te N is lie duty Of the majority here 10 do So
and ask again Of the Democratic party, WHelC i tno
responsibility Tor the representation o the oaos"
senatorial District in this state. ,..s,..
MIR Feds-I desire to inform the gentleman that II the
minority here wished 10 ill the vacancy III that dsIIC,,
Vhey had Tie opportunity when the bill was III
Committee of the Whole by moving an amendment 10
The bill. But they saw INT to DO 10 sueh iAIS. NOT No
Mir IitteiOhn-Tne minority on this Moor are not re-
sponsibc f0r tle vacancy III tho Saratoga Dl''oo'
was not thcIr duty to move an dIenuleh. & I te p
@ was the wish OF the minority here TO st ana Nole
quietly upon such OF the majority as they pre-
eented and !et them take the oI tn
without word if the Saratoga senatorial DiNICt gus
this year without representation upon tie oSi in " & ,
Senate. have felt II my GuIy 10 "a! Inn uon ln ~
of the party OF which ala InenOer anu SiI,
negative But lot me ask hn whether, two years ago,
party had made the regular nomination for MS
pendonty, and carry the diatricti lApP.ause'I .o,
Mr.. LtcjOGD-I was not aware, sf tlat ny personal
lsl .ru.f lff Ms
'ht speaker, think his question was Iecuuall! s
Lent In tn ease Il may Ice the same lat wa QUE 3i
tie occasions, Sir 10 condemn party action aughJeIJ
when II n necessary for manhood 10 assert ITSELF anu
Sir the attempt was justified by the terrific majority III
MI Jacobs will ask the gentleman from Oswego If
MS manhood was ever before 80 lsuItu D! tIS pa'9 m
which he s aIncuber when they required hlIh-no
in order keep him 10 his word-to put his name
- paper containing resolutions OF caucus ot
L, paIty when Li hOnor should have been sufficient
guarantee that he would adhere TO- No DehocI"'
would sign paper Of that kind.
Mr. Iittlei6hi-I nave never yet, in caucus, in the
legislature convention IN the private relations OI
fe. decided 10 do thing that was ashamed 10 pu M
writing with my signature attached, and no shame WIZ
flush my brow for having put in writing that WLhch We
agreed To DO by resolution III caucus H., cot, ~,
speaker Hickman, when his name was called sald On
all questions OF Tins character III parliamentary D0ueS
uc Chair, from courtesy, rcIlalHs from Young puv ~
ite that this Is high question Of privilege an9 has
much my vote is necessary On this question: Will cast
MI Weed asked TO he excused from voting, and said:
A Speaker, every lawyer on TINS moor VINO mas exam
ined the question az all knows that under the ieet ol
law Governor Of the State Of New YORK has the
right % II this vacancy to-day, and II j. only because
b. does not believe that the spirit OF the law gives INN
right that the letter does that Le rcfraned from
doing 20 He vOied'u the Affirmative.
The decision OF the CHAIR sustained Yeas, Ca Nays
5j-a strict party vote
Tie question being the motion OF Mr. Frear 10 OTder
the bill 10 third reading al once, Mr. ANOid caieu Ior
the yeas and and II carried by the same VOte'
TAe bill was then placed upon ito third reading.
The Clerk then proceeded 10 call the ron on lhe pas
sage Of the hill When the name Of Mr.. Goodrich was
caed he sand Mr. Speaker. ASK 10 be excused nom
yOuug There s one question that II set ms 10 me nae
touched upOn the Somewhat ~lde discussion
fAat mas been had TINS morning Iut oi
circumstances should be swift 10 secure Tor the people
Di Any district A the the right OF loresenatoh
here. But Of the measures Whch Dy lls .o,oonni
the Republican party seek defeat, II an act 10 REPEAL