The Charleston daily news. [volume] (Charleston, S.C.) 1865-1873, 1871-05-27
THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND.
THE MoTEMENT FOE DISEsTAB-
LISHMENT.
pisrae1i,s Great Speech.

nisracIi-s Great Speec
Every person of intelligence foresaw that
the recent dsestablishment Of the Irish
Church would inevitably lead 10 similar
movement directed against the Church OF
| Eprlond. The expectation has been realized.
The london mails Just arrived bring us par
ticulars OF an important debate in Parliament
IN the 9th instant to which alnslon has been
| made in the cable dispatches.
Mr. Mail opened the subject by Offering the
following motion: 'sThat it is eXpedient. at
the earliest practicable period: to apply the
policy initiated by the dsestaoliShnent DIS OF the
nh,rches established By law in the United
Einndom.:' He made long speech, taking
the 7rronnd that the church. By disestahlish-
menI. would only gain renewed. strength and
vitality: and he instanced the liberal inante-
nance given 10 their churches by the dssenters
! in support Of his argument,
MI J. D. Lewis, In seconding the rest Llullon:
was briet and to the point He said that the
great objection to the Established Church was
that the ideas upon which 1t was originally
! founded had since been swept away. One OF
the primary ideas npon WHICH Ne church had
hepn established was, that every man was to
take his religions belief from the State. as he
took his caat from the TAI or. but that ideu
| had Ionr since exploded. In the early part Of
EIjzaIell,'s reign, the church was framed as a
hnlwark against Popery; but With thirty-seven
Roman Catholic members in that House. such
| theory could no longer be put 1orln. The peo-
ule had an ugly habit Of looking at everything,
when they saw an ne o Se
cnnntry they might not be disposed 10 regard
| it with any great favor. - !.
Mr. Rrnce denied that the circumstances OF
The Irish Church and the English Church were
at all analogous.
Sir Roundel Palmer urged the maintenance
of the relations between church and State;
there being such body as the Church of Eng.
land. with O large amount oil zeal and sinceri-
tv was a most valuable stimulus to the dis
spniers TO work side by side with its members
throughout the country. He Claimed for the
| church that it had great deal 10 40 Win tne
formation Of much OF what was oes' IN lhe
| character Of those who did not belong to it.
Rnt Il did not stop there. As 10 the country
districts. he believed they were, speaking
renerally. members OF the church. and
| through The church were participators OF bene-
fls of every lpton-spritual moral and
even temporal-which no other BODY was aole
| to administer to them. He quite agreed mat
we could not now create such an institution,
bnt that was no reason why We should attempt
by its destruction to tear up, society by Its
roots. u. a..
moral bond operated upon society was through
the medium of the Established Church. He
valued the bond much too highly to be wiling
10 rrn any unnecessary risk with regard TO
the means. BE could out tninN ina! lhe als,
association of the church from the State would
tend to deprive the State OF much OF It's
strenrth. In conclusion. he would use: in
| lhe words OF great man. who was oy no
means O bgot, and who in early life was q
strong Liberal, although not perhaps so IN
his laIer years poet OF large aud liberal
| mind
"Hail TO the Sta'e OF England, and conjoinedr
With this a salutalion q, deveuL
Made TO the spiritual fabric OF her Church,
Founded Oh Truth. with blood OF martrydom
Cemented; By The hands Of Freedom rrafed'
Decent and unreproved. inc voice @ M when owns
The majesty OF bUth shall pray for ooth,,
That, mutually suppoGted aud sustained,
They may enuure long as the sea surrounds
This favored land. or sunshine warns her soi!.'
After several OTHER members had spoken,
Mr. Disraeli rose. He said:
The proposition OF Mr. Mail, as iar as Eng
land is concerned, look upon as mere theo-
ry. Then he has referred 10 the benehcenlTe-
suits which have flowed from the suppression
oil church and State in European countries.
Well, / will take for instance the state OF
France-whIch had its national church; ana
while not referring to the great events which
took place ut The end OF the last century, when
the Great Emperor and Louis XVII devoted oil
their energies to rscreate and bring togelner
the elements OF ils creation, In order 10 give
not merely stability to the State, put rellSlous
liberty 10 the laily-I will ask the honorable
gentleman what he considers 10 be the
religious liberty Of the laiiy- i'll France
at the present moment? Is not the
Archbishop Of Paris, man Of singular plety
and talents. in the dungeons OF the Red
Republicans? And then look at what the hon.
orabe member has called the Kingdom Oh
Ireland think. logically speaking, If you
djseslablsh the church in Ireland, you are
bound 10 disestabush it in Scotland. and in
England, too, but fortunately this country Is
NOT governed by logic. [Langhter.] 1t Is
parliamentary country. It is governed oy
rhetoric, and not bv logic, or otherwise 1t
would have been erased long ago from the hst
of leading communities. think, therefore, IL
is premature to draw inference from What mas
Recently occurred in Ireland. Hear, hear.
The consequences of the disestablishment Oh
the Irish Church are not encouraging. On one
side there Is rampant spirit of ultramontap-
ism. and on the other development oi aeon.
tracted and exclusive Professionalism, winch
confess ills me with dismay. There yorsee
the Archbishop OF Dublin suffering from The ex-
communication Of the Protestant party
The nation should adopt with precipitalion;
they ought TO look with caution before they
consent to yield the ancient institutions unaer
which this country mas SO long eAlsleu.
|Cheers The honorable gentleman appears
to have derived nearly all Ills iniormntlon
from blue books-[a laugh1-lnsteau OF from
personal experience as he ought TO nave done;
and the House Is not prepared Lc accepI no-
lion upon information which had been so o.
tanned Hear Rear.l admit that lne
church in towns Is not so strong Us IL ls III
country districts. but Temust remember lhat
the populations in the towns VINO are not
in communion with the church are not neccs-
sarily dissenters. -,,. ,ho
millions of EngiIshmen in our great Towns VINO
are moi in communion with any religious body
are long to remain in that coudtion. nave
always believed that Organlcally the EnSisa
are q religious people. You have partially ca
ncutetj and Won are now completely educating
them. and do you believe that educated Eng
iishmen will long remain without any reiiSlous
profession whatever? do not believe II; ana
when they are educated they Will not seek tne
couyentic!e-they will appreciate a learned
cler.rr and a refined ritual, and the consOla-
lions of the beautiful Offices OIL the church.
think there can be no doubt that the majority
of the people are not IN iaSor OF the dlssoi'l-
ton of the alliance. J. do not want peols-
cite: but If a plebiscite We're asked: aye OF no,
will! YOU abolish the alliance between Inc churcn
and the State ! have very mule dcuoC whlI
woul,l be the result. IL tue chHTch coz.
ducls Itself with wisdom-which cannot
donbt il will believe thut every year
This motion. Il il be made, will be made under
rorcn ,,,s,,icus and with less prospect o. sue.