New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1871-12-22

OF the bstsf nor worse than tho rest Of
with regard TO he ?Ss lords TnS vS, u
POSING the Upper Chamber had boon lnstesd OF
hereditary hcx Of tho .: lord: would GayS pe S"t
more than from 50 The honorable member asKoa
further Had ever been submitted to t1s s1o LS az
tive cGnmSsr Lora a ne Ss content C",
to submit the question to tho vote so ne @ moi hcs
Sonschodcrs we're recipients Of the bounty Of these
lords; but in large towns removed ron H o.H' Which
way the vote would be given Mr. Dixon Irpp3'sd To
give the Lords that hch they now possessed; pus y
a a3, T rnss saIs p"n ns however, did hk
hers Of the tppG Home sap Chosen on By the ropc
select committee should be chosen ny both parties vi t .
House OF Commons to dlscnarg" o Sna. III" n. pcr,
Who possessed fitness the poet and who desired TO
take IT, He had no doubt nrcfrr 70 70 occn"" at in
the Lower House and he was OF opinion that nGrry o
h"pcditar, nrnrnle of legislation is unwisc. since 1t
neither ENSURES wisdom In the individual nor ,n
i'm the body and is unjust since II c"hlcrs upoh the et"
powers Which ought to DO exercised only by representa-
tives Of the naion
other member Of Parliament present "That IN Tree
couury the ultimate decision upon all questions OF gov
ernmcpt ar of the policy Of the State must rest with
rrnrr,rniatyes ecrled by tho people, and thai Soino
=, Iir H he adopted in the non tn give consttu-
inl a'ci TO that decision" He hoped nc should never
i've to 1 the country governed by single Chamnel.
n" discussed proposals Of reform without ap,
nr,vinv any, and concluded 10y the observation hIt II
M, ,' Cnmutce co Id lay before the country plan
Which without dc~iroying the eAIsting Constitution
Would promote harmony between both Houses. they
| would deserve the thanks of the country ,,;,
which was carried The following resolutions were also
adopted "Thli no right Z" legislae on the anai; "i
thc nation oug ht conferred in consequence oil the
profession " any theological opinions, or 90 coIhcon
With any ccclc 'ia-ticaI ESTABLISHING n' amt tlr'rf%r" th
legislative power vi tIc nnlolr o the ElSl- h'Hc
shonid be abolished" That i commtpc" IL. appointed
10 consider Ivy what reiGS LIc Tor o"bI 'SoL'iha h'1
h. carried int" rn o.
I he Ii( mn he
Herbert was present and made the fiat speech after the
chairman Sir Charles Dixie al'O spoke Tie risinr OF
the member for Chelsea was the signal Tor h"sie oo
monsration which continued with more or 'css IN
tensity for nearly half hour. mo sooner had Sir
Charles opened his mouth than the minority thonted
and roarcd The mos, rightful manner There wercr
OF Turn them from every part of the rooiD ana
several d-turbrr- OF the peace were sninary ecctrd
Again Sir Charles ate mpted to speak. and again hah
to ait down Standing patiently for some llnues ne
awaited ull. and when there was ono Nc uttered re"
words which were drowned by the roars OF the dIaf
fertcd and individual the platform ana inOther IN
the gallery were thrust out of the hall by force
The chairman appealed but jim vain. for order Pepper
was sp rinked about much to every ones discomfort
Sir Charles in the course OF his speech. ressed the
opinion that the House Of Lords had received most
dangerous accession to the ranks OF what might
be called dangerous members when Lord Cranborne
became Lord Salisbury; and anybody could provoke
collision with the Commons. that was inc man 10
the suggestion of f" pncrages. sir Charles saiu tie
mower creating them in large numbers wOuld he pnt
ting INTO the hands Of ministers dangerous power over
the deliberations Of the Lower House. On the other
hand to crca IT, them small numbers would be no pric
tra change all II the ministers were to pick out a'
Lord Russell did w1 OF three years ago, names OF AIS
tucOn sue h. for instance, a. Mr JOnn stnal MIL no
doubt they might make case u show tnat
the creation Of life pecragos womb improve Ihe
character OF the Upper House. At the same time
il might doubted # such would accept the posi-
ton Imagine Mr.. Mill sitting AZ Lord BlackheAtn, or
by hcr title derived from land Thcy wOulI DO
sure to have the SECOND rate clerks of second rate offices
thrust INTO the House n, the act of the Ministry or the
hereditary colleagues and designated IA ,horme CON
virs--c0nvcts sentenced for hfc-"iiers MANY poo
pie suggested limitation OF the powers or veto pos
scssed h the Upper House. and he would say that u the
country wa. net prepared to abolish tho hereditary
House, IT might limit the questions upon which the
House was allowed 10 interfere with the working of the
popular will Sir Charles. however. agreed with mr..
Herbert in doubling whether IL was necessary W
have a second House ut all. This - doubt
was received with lOnd cheers. Many had shid
House Lords. would be t. DANGEROUS power In the
House OF Commons. He had sufficient faith IN the power
of the electors avert evils from thl' cause lhe
House OF Lords Is check when check was needed,
aud not check when DcceSsary whom there was
great wave Of enthusiasm the House was useless a.
check being swept 10y the breath ~ popular onhu-
sasm tho House of Lords necessary be-
majority OF tho House Of Commons represented
only minority Of the constituencies This only showed
the need for improved representation II the country
choose he would for the abolition Of the Upper
House but he would have Limitation OF its
than the patching up process or life pcerages
Gradual abolition was possible whether II WA the uino
to the abolition not he was heartily with the
proluotnrs the meeting lie for the Did principle
Of guvcrnmcnt Of ID" people 10y tir p""pI" All ~ he
! peOpc'- House.