The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1871-05-30
A SOUTHERN PHILOSOPHER,
Ex-Governor Orr, Of South Carolina, on the
Political Situation.
Ku Kllx Osltragcs and Carpet
Bag Rule.
Tho Lost Cause OF Andy Johnson Uncle Sans
Regulsrs No Use in the Palmetto State
General sherman's Chances FOR the Fresi-
dency-What the Governor Thinks Of
tho Democratic Party and It, Policy.

The condition Of tho Southern States under the
rule OF the radicals being the absorbing question Of
home policy. aud the utterances OF Southern men
OF position and influence concerning the future OF
those States being especially important at this juno
turc, HERALD reporter was yesterday despatched
| 10 the Grand Hotel, On broadway, where Mr.. Orr,
Governor OF South Carolina under Andy Johnson,
was stopping, for tho purpose OF getting his views
on the political situation. Mr.. Or was accessible
after dinner, and was pleased to meet q representa-
| tive OF the HERALD. He arrived here on Saturday
for the purpose OF transacting some private bust.
ness, and viii leave for Annapolis this morning He
is one OF the visitors to the Naval Academy. The
Ex-Governor Is a stout rosy Checked good-humored
| gentleman about sixty years OF age.
| After some preliminary talk Mir. Orr said, in
answer to question put by the reporter, that lie did
| not think much would come OF sending United
| States soldiers into tho South at this time.
REroRrRR-Thcy win be able to put down lawless-
| ness IN the South, Governor, viii they nota
THE soLDIERs USELESS.
Mr. ORR-No; and will tell you why. The law
less persons don't commit crimes where there are
armed forces; 1t Is only in Wild and unfrequented
places that they operate. 1t takes some time for o
messenger to reach the place where the soldiers
stationed, ana longer time for the latter reach
get there they Ind nothing to suppress and nobody
to arrest
RECONSIDERATION you admit that lawless bands
exist In tue south?
Mr.. ORR--Indeed do; at least IN South Carolina.
don't know how 1t may be III other States, but we
have got them. They political bodies, too Can't
say what they ere driving az; but, undoubtedly,
they are actuated by hatred of the Yankees They
are a trouble and q nuisance to all citizens who
are
DESTROYS or PEACE AND QUIET,
and these are the majority Of the people OF the State
Most OF them are soldisrs-bad ones no doubt-of
our Confederate army but of this not certain.
1 supposeKu Kiux would To the proper name Ter
Them e"
REFoarER--R they are troublesome to the peace.
full citizens OF the State why DON'T the citizens sup
press them?
MIR. ORR That's just It, wish they would sup.
press them. II Wade Hampton and the other gene.
rails OF the State who have the confidence OF the
people would only declare themselves against the
Ku Iiiuy and their damned pranks there would be
peace ut once. But you see they won't. They are
They their backs up because they were not
the franchise the ku kiux would have had no
existence, IN our state, at least. Tney are
baggers, scaiawags and Ku Kux send the stale to
the devll their own way. It's pity that different
IOIcy mad NOT Oeen pursued. LIZ the Reconstruction
OF Johnson had been gwen fair trial there would
be different state OF affairs In the South to-day. 1
was in favor o. Johnson policy all along; but now
see wnere he made mistake; ne should not have
tried to run the whols business himself, but have
called Congress together and submitted his pro-
Cramme or action TO them. ] believe Congress
would have supported him, ard all would have been
we'll lt was
M A PERSONAL FIGHT
between him and Congress; indeed, old Stevens
CThad) said 10 me one day IN Washington "Gov.
ernor Orr, this Is entirely personal fight between
n-
REgoRTER-Ihere were no laWlesS societies while
you wero The Executive OF South Carolina, Gov
Mr. ORn-No; not even an arrest during the two
years and q half that was Governor. took good,
secret police force. and Kept the names ana
whereabouts Of rthe members Of It q pro
none dared take the first step toward an unlawful
ACT for fear OF instant arrest. similar force now
IN South Carolina would do more 10 suppress ku
Klux ourrages than all the army OF the United
States
RECONCILIATION you don't see any way out Of
Mir. oRR-No; unless as said, the leading gen.
erals take the Ku Klux In hand don't see how out
RACES are TO be stopped. A declaration from Wade
Hampton and the other. generals who have the
confidence OF the people that they acquiesced in
niger suffrage and everything, ana counseed SUD-
mission, and there would be no more outrages TO he
reported. But why should they'd ts II is nothing
10 them. They don't suler 1t Is d difficulty the
carpet Daggers made for themselves and they must
bear it, Sir, the way the state Is now run Is AWFUL
iocusts that have settled down in their
pa Il s the zs a o Sn nrov
cation is indeed great / am concerned for the
State. We have now Niger majority OF 3o,0oe
and against this we are powerlcss, as at present
ganixed. They rule and ruin as they please, be-
cause we are stupid enough to insist on being recog
niZed as democrats
REPoRTER-iou are republican Governor, are
Mr. ORR-well-ycs; that IS am kind OF re-
i
South Carolina Is Tor all hands to declare themselves
republican. AS matters now stand the carpet-bag
gers and niggers have everything their own way. At
election time, when good map sincerely desires
OF supporting the government. healing the bitter
proper condition, Offers himself as candidate Tor
oalce on the democratic ticket he is Immediately
SOME AccURsED soALAwAG
or field hand, the tool CT the scaawag, In this
ssnSn %nS Msa son nod ne nggers
else your iDalienabe right to ride on the cars with
whe iolksi who shea their oood for you and
YOU Sashi in asnsf %uo %ar anau ksns
gress made FOR Won ~ your frenda9 Who want to
re-onsiavo You? The democrats" SO the demo-
cratic gentleman has to take back seat; the 30 600
pet-bag and niger candidates, and we are as
before people % lad s sense to 60 in
support the amendments to the constitu-
ton and the reconstruction acts OF Con;
the carpet-Daggers; the public ofices would be flied
with men or Responsibility aad intelligence, and tho
State would speedily recover. That IS my policy for
South Carolina. We don't care anything down there
for federal politics; ardent desire IS to recover
the state from the scoundrels who are now running
IL.
REroRrER-But suppose the democratic party
wins
THE PRESIDENTIAL FIGHT,
would not their triumph be Of benefit to South
CaroNna2
Mr.. ORR-Not at ALL There Is that $4,000 niger
majority; we have TO get rid of that somehow. No
matter what party wins In the national election 1t
will make no difference TO us. Should the republi.
cans win we will be as We are. Perhaps, indeed,
we would have another army OF unconscionable radi.
cal ruiians quartered upon us. II the democrats
win they cannot help u.s. for the notification OF
the amendments Is out OF the question: thesnfcrnal
80 goo Niger majority VIII be there worse than ever.
No. sir; we must all become republicans, and SO
take the wind out of the sails OF the carpetbaggers
REPoRrER-Yours Is bad predlcanlent Gov
ernor What about the other States2