The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1871-07-25

and children recognize MIN rs ne drives through the
streets and the politicians regard him as the master
mind OF the party. well ~ the warwick OF the adj
nintstratIoD. AS might be expected ne il greatly
interested in the new departuren movement OF the
democracy, and our conversation quickly turned TO
that subject.
what do you think of the new departurer" |
.'ii is the beginning Of the end."
END Of whatf'
.'Of the democracy"
The Senator said this with great seriousness and
elaboration, and ne looked at me with some sur
PRISE as | smiled increduousy.
.You think II will break them up?' said.
81 do The democrats, that Is the masses OF them,
won't stand II. They not golne 10 stultlfy them
selves 10y turning around and accepting all OF sud
den that which they have made bitter hight against
Tor ten years. But, even surprising the Northern
no idea OF doing It,"
"lts rather against them ?"
eyes, should think 1t was It's the most litter
pm they nave oeep called upGn TO swallow Jet IL
measures about which so much complaint has been
made The history OF parties IN this country shows
that whenever party has attempted anything like
what some of the leaders of the democracy pro-
pose IT mas gone to pieces Take the old whg party.
In 1852 they attempted to get upon the democratic
TO the slave power. What was the result : Their
candidate Tor the Presidency was beaten. and they
were never heard OF as party Afterwards"
4, DO you mink the democratic Leaders are sincere
In this new departure ~
'No, DO not. All they want is to get into power.
They are hungry. and they are willing TO do anything
10 succeed IN obtaining control NJ the government.
the war as bitterly as Vallandgham and that class
OF men did are willing to accept the situation. II
they do It is because they see there no hope of get
ting into power in any other way"
''Wnat effect will 1t have upon the republican
partyp
too thin to deceive anybody In the republican party
We understand it. You can't MAINTAIN a party with
out some common moral sentiment or principle TO
keep IL together. This new departure does not pro-
pose anything except to Jump upon the republican
platform ana to ask the people to place the demo-
ltl
own principles and stolen those of somebody else.
Iha:s the whole OF It, Now, you cant rally party
on that. The old wing party died In the attempt.n
inen you think all the democrats want IS 10 get
and the people know 1t. intend making speech
at Louisville soon, when with expose this whole
movement. You remember the serenade speech
made at washington last springf'
well, that's what drove the democrats INTO this
new departure Vallandigham confessed this IN
his speech IN support Of his resolution at the Mont
gomery County Convention. You see, they don't
want 70 De placed In the position placed them be-
"Do you think the democrats have any chance for
electing the next President -
"Not the slightest The people don't feel like trust
Ing them yet. General Grant Will OF course, be re-
nominated by tne republicans and feel certain that
ccived the first time. That, think, Is foregone
"Wi'l there be any opposition to Grants renomi-
nation among the republicansp
mo; II IL TOO late Tor that now. There may have
OccH IUc WHen Ildt WOulu nave Deen possible,
bur 1t Is not now The country has sett led down to
the convection that Grant Is the best man we can
get, and the people are ready TO vote for him Tor
second term. What can be said against hlmp Even
the democrats have nothing, except some little per-
sonai matters that nobody thinks OF seriously for
mOment.n
"What about the democratic nomination.; do you
think they will take HendricksT'
II doubt It, II they hold to this new departure
movement they must nominate a new democrat.
They can't make themselves ridiculous by going be-
fore the people with a republican platform and an
oil
near think that HOFFMAN or Hancock win be their
strongest man. Both these have far war records
''What about Chase y''
'Well, think he is too old. His health is not
good, aud besides he wouldn't make as good u cam
dldate as either Hancock or Hoffman. II the demo-
Gratis had nominated Chase IN 1868 he might have
made respectable run but he has grown unpopu-
lar OF late"
al see the newspapers have you at Long Branch,
ngurlng up matters with the President
sven, havn't been to Long Branch this season;
was only ut West Point, aud came as far as New
York"
Are you going to California with the President,'
81 don't know yet; havn't made UP my mind
about that"
Promising to report the views of the Senator on
the new Departure airy--wnich | hope have
'One-I leit HIN.