The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1871-08-03

then astonlsned them all by bestowing upon him
the highest praise. and he bad him securely lock cd
CossEsr0NDssr-That Is . story I had never
heard before.
this donele dealing that led him in his turn to De
suspected Dv the Com nune. They thought ne must
be consummate hypocrite.
Dir. AARx-Yes. probably. with two or three ex
ceptiona But you cannot blame them, they nave
been BETRAYED often. The republic has been over
trusted generals. Later, France herself mas oeen
lost by the treason OF such men as Bazaae ana
eau We blame them for being suspiciousf
ALPHABETICAL Assr.
CoRREsPONDENr-Was Assy member OF 'ne in'
Dr. MARI-No. he never WAS Bnt his name was
on tbs list OF clubs that used TO meet In Paris durnS
the siege. and he was only elected because hs name
begins with al A. In making up the list OF candi
dates for Paris there was one wanting ana upon
be lcaily that of sy occurred among the nrst and
ne was liked upon Deca lse they had no ime 10 100.
further He Is an ldi~t, and I doub' ms honesty;
Many think him 10 DO q n,oMchard Ia the employ OF
the versailles Rovernmeuk
SILLY CKCILIA
CoRRRs POSDRNr-And La Ccc lia'
DR.. MAEx-I believe hia 70 be NOT only an ass out
Q traitor.
CoRRgsPoNDESr-Ani Felix fyatti
DR.. MARIA great blower, and still greater
coward.
HUMANITARIAN HUGO.
CORREsPOsDRST-Andv Victor Hugof
DR.. MARx-Undonbtetllt great poet out one OF
those men who are always really 10 espoIse anv
cause which may he open 70 pieass their lacy. Not
to be depended upon.
RBBRILIoUs ROcuRFORT.
CORRESP0SDENT-And what DO you think OF
Rocheforlg
Ur. MARx-Rocnefort has some good points. He
maze a bold light against the empire, and during
the time VI the Commune he critic set both stiles
severely gave them about equal portions OF hard
against him. II must be admitted that MS crit
cIsns We're correct as we'll as savage. Still. he was
fnft .tE 10, hn ant dra0
ton except VIVA, he picked up 10 the streets "a !ul
grown 0Gmfn and that was nli-al'hodgh he dis.
sense, fact whca nobody understands uettcr than
his opponents, whatever they say 10 the contrary.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNE WHO WERE INTERSA'
TIuNALS.
OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES members OF the Commune
were members OF the International
Commune only i've were OF he ln,eriati0 nal-
Fiourens, Domb.owsky. Duvat, Rigault NOV dead
and Wonlesxy !suppSssssd 10 nave escaped; nr,r
cipies or the Iaternai ionais
DI. MARS-The answer 70 that question wou,d be
very complicated one, aud would probably take
more time than we have II our d'spo SAL can
give you tew OF our publications, however. which
VIII answer the question moro salts actorty and
more conc.seiy than could be done In any CONVEX
sation.
lie here gave me several small tracts and showed
me the drst volume OF large work written by him.
seit. entitled "Der Productions Process dies kapi.
ID s." wherein ne said. =" would find the question Of
labor and capital discussed AT Length warning me-
however, that would ind the drst chapter some
IN ng a9struse and dlflcult to understand. espe.
CoRRRs oNDESr-what is the principal object or
your attack now monarchy or capItai-that is, as
you understand II, mon )roly?
Dr. MARx--Bo;h. One is the natural result OF the
other, or, rather, both belong to all age and cvl
zstion that are last passing away. The feuial sys
ten, slavery, MONARCHY. capital, MONOPOLY are
bound to follow each other in rapid Succession and
pass from the earth. The ieada system went first,
we scarcely consider 1t worthy OF steel. and
nopoly. or capital must and vii follow. The strug
all the scum OF humanity 1t wll Drng IN ITS train
al! the miserles that the evil passions OF men let
loose invariably bing but I IS necessary ana inev.
table Capital VIII never De warned IN time and 1t
Viii have tO take the consequences WAT netter Is
the condition Of the ma VINO works for dollar a
uayhat Is, sells himself for day nc Time for just
enough To support nicthan hat OF the negro slave
VINO Is clothed ard fed ~ his masters
CAPITAL Is. ArlEn ALL, OILY ANOTHER PORN OF
and the condition OF the lab nrcr Is about the same
IN either case. Take The arguments uacd BIZ tho
former Shareholder IN the southern states Amer.
III defence OF slavery nu,i yon VIII tnd them
identical win those nsei By capitalists and monopo-
negroes to WORK for your profit aivGe when you
only give them the bare necessaries OF lfeSn fhe
answer is Teady-"l bought then.'
THE LAsp QUESTION.
what right have you TO l0Jo 900 acres OF the land
that God gave for me support Of LOU, ooo men
the sama-"I bought IT. or, cit was glvsn me by
the King. Had any onc right I, sell; had the
they do no. trouble themselves IA either case. Bet
Jou have this stun aooli the sacredness OF private
property when men are Starving aad dying OF want
and cold and nakedness al around them. or llvin.
lives OF miserS and wretchednes', and enduring
hardsnips that even bipttS are not subjected TO.
CHILDREN COMPELLED TT LABOR.
The recent rrpo@ OF children as young as four
years worSiar Ia the biickheld. Is a case IN point
ten gears oia-carryiag forty poands or eerth upon
their heads distance OF fourteen mics iay, Nv
los. the semblance Of the human form uiv,ne; and
yet tfe men VINO have grown rith from the blood
aud sweat and iou ana suffering OF ;neae poor,
miserable htlle creaiures--lhcse men VINO call
themselves respectable, VINO 10 to church o. sun
days ! their carrIagcs-coine 10 IN, AMI tails about
The sacredness oil private property icrSooth! 80
taEci the cotton planters o. the Sou.h so talks
ever, noary-headed lniainy that has aisg,aced
NO cIvIL VAR n ENGLAND.
CORE PoNDEsf-Do you look Tor a civil war soon
In England,
Dr. MAnx-we do not intend TO make war; We
hope 10 be aolc 10 gam our riSnts IN ega ana law
ful way 10y ACT o. Parli inent. ana
IT Is TUE ARisroCRACY AND fHE MoNEyED MEN
WHO WILL REBEL.
II Is ,hcy VINO viii ATTEMPT II rexoluaon. But we
have the force Of numbers. We shall have the
strength ot intelligence and discipline. Let them
SUCCESS II ENGLAND sooN.
CoRRB-PoNDENr--Do you expect to succeed soon
III England
Dr. M,Rx-sooner than In any other country for
the reason thl labor aud capital are already organ.
THE COOPERATIVE SYSTEM.
where the WORK ~ done hy many skilled hands,
each doing part, ana where all sorts OF labor
saving machines are used on the fam ana Ia The
factory. Labor ~ already co.opera i've. 1t Is My
necessary 10 make the pTons mutual by dividing
tnem equally among those engaged In i, instead OF
giving ten all TO one man. In this respect the la
Dor s, stem IN England ~ mucn better adapted 10
ideas. and to the changes which must me vitality
take place, than that existing ia France, wnero la1d
well as manufactures IS parcelled out in small
quantities. and where the laborer works, as II were,
alone or single han1ei.
TnB ATrAISuEyr or CAPITAL.
CoRREsPo SDEST-Yon look, then. upon great con-
glomeratiols or capital or land, oil machinery,
where many Ia nds work together Tor the cultivation
OF ngle product class OF products, or the
manufacture OF single article or class OF Articles.
moro conducive 10 your ideas OF progress than
the system OF the absolute division and possession
OF property into small ots9
DR.. NARY 90; because tn, Transformation will
be more easily erected. But see where you wish
to drive me. You would say that II capital L. thus
assisting progress II must be good thiny-a
proposition which do not altogether deny. ! look
upon
THE PRESENT STATE OF CAPITAL
as a stage OF Development, % necessary stage In
human nrOgreSs which must nayura upyeOD