The New York herald., 1871-10-06
The Utah Troubles from the
Liberal Standpoint.
MI. GOdbe, the Leader Of the Dis
senters, Interviewed.
He EXPLAINS BaIGHAM's DIFFICULTIES.
Defence OF the Government
and the Courts.
Polygamy Will Be Worn Out in
NJ III This Generation.

Il II This Generation.
W. s. Godbe of Salt Lake City, known as one OF
the principal leaders Of the opposition to Brigham
Youngs theocracy, has been In the city few days
on BUSINESS and by accident was met by one OF the
HERALD reporters yesterday. As Mr.. GodDe has
come directly from Salt Lake City ana Is fully ad
vised upon the condition OF things there, and can
can speak e1 cGthedrd, the reporter succeeded in
obtaining from him very clear statement respect
ing both men and measures on botn sides OF the
Utah controversy. Mr.. Godbe is gentleman or
middle STATURE high intellectual forehead pleasing
address, quick in perception and fluent in converse
ti0n. He Is q druggist now in Salt Lake City, and
has been in the mercantile business there for six
teen years. He seems wiry, energetic man. under
forty years Of age, and has q history replete
with interest," He has nothing in his
mien OF the agitator and revoutionist.
He seems more for peace than most OF the men from
Utah; bus is resolved on using his own brains and
experience instead OF those furnished by the priest
hood to the people or the Rocky Mountains. The
following Is the interview textually:-
81. . THE COURTS.
REP1RTER-When did you, Mr. Godbe leave Salt
Lake City2 A. Two weeks ago yesterday
RRP0RTER-Was the Court in session before you
leftP A. Yes; Its session began on the 10th Sep
temoer.
REPORTER you think that IL is the purpose Of
the Court or OF any OF the United States onlcials
there, to provoke q collision with the people or
Utah2 A. think not.
.i. "a INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT GRANT.
REPORTER-Brigham Young Is reported by tee-
gram from Salt Lake City yesterday to have said,
president Grant had authorized this crusade. 1t
was simply the power OF the Methodist
Church, which, having signally failed IN
Its missionary enterprises to the Saints, now
proposes to destroy them with Methodist governors
judges and packed Juries Of the Methodist persua-
sion." What do You think Of such a statemcnt2 A.
1t is simply not true. had the honor OF q lengthy
interview with President Grant after the liberal
movement commenced, in which was much i'm
pressed with the rational view that he took Of the
situation OF affairs IN Utah. 1t was generally feared
that those who had protested against the govern
ment OF the priesthood in their temporal AFFAIRS and
VINO had openly avowed their determination OF
severng their relationship from the Church, would
be subjected to Violence and that large increase
Of the army In salt Lake City would be neces-
sary to held the orthodox Mormons in awe. Speak.
ing for the liberal party, assured the President
that we preferred to quietly discuss our own DIM
cules without any appearance OF force to back US;
that unless there should be an attempt at violence
or reason to apprehend danger, the actual num-
snould Aot be otherwise increased President Grant
fully acqulesced In tnat conclusion, and evinced
everything but a disposition TO make o crusade
against Aormonism or Brigham Youcg. He was
not without anxiety for the future OF Utah. but he
believed that the usual course OF the courts would
In due time meet all the requirements IN settling
without nloodshed the Mormon question OF obe.
dience 0law.
ffW METHODTsM NOT IN 1T.
0vr~~S
course OF the courts In Utah-that the trouble now
there fs "the crusade OF President Grant''-is o
very stupld assertion, and one that o fanatic was
alone capable OF making. Brigham Young has been
80 long accustomed to say what he pleases and to
pass unchalenged that ne does not yet duly realize
that there is change In Utah and that his day or
reign Is over The question before the courts OF
Utan now IS not the merits OF Metnodism nor those
OF any other Ism; 1t Is simply question OF submis
rae HIGHER LAW TO BE TESTED
RBPo2TER-Wln there be any extra-judicial action
ing him ! A. understand the acion % Of the iadicl
ary TO be solely for the purpose or reaching
mon understanding upon marital relations: whether
any people protesting religious faith can claim
immunity from the laws OF their Territory, their
state Or the United states on me plea Of being
understand 10 be the whole question now in Utah.
NO PACKED JURY.
REPORTER-Brgham Young SAYS that the jurors are I
all hostile TO HIN ahd are selected on that account
A. THAT ~ In part true, but not as he puts IT, The
been Interr0gaIed with regard 10 their views upon
the revelation on polygamy as a divine revelation
tried Tor the inracron Of the anti poygamc law OF
1852. Citzels VINO regarded the reveia
sn Sns a es ana mHa sSaer woaS aT
ooey the former rather than the latter, were
e hostile To
Young. know one gentleman. at least, upon the
@ VINO wOa % e % ysd o s
Of the land must 6e o6eyed: lie i no Methodist,
from my acquaintance with other jurors have no
doubt tnat they are as free from prejudice rs men
can car be; Tnsy seem to me to be governed solely by
PEJERAL OFFICERS SOUND.
REPORTEE-Are the federal officers Methodists,
to anord Brignam groundwork for his assertion
that u Is an attack OF the Metnodists2 A. Gov
Chez Justice HSKean IS SO, believe. and Tor ior judi %
cai influence 1t has the same effect as II he were
M "heatnen a. len Cnnes" The other federal Officers are
gentlemen acti0g as prosecuting attorney anu
assistant wo1Is ot probably regard It as persecu
altogether. They are simply lawyers, with an i'm
porant case In their hands.
packed or Inc officials OF the Court as nqulstorsf
A. No.. There has been great deal OF defiant talk
rived 70 test IT rhat IS how the Independent Nor
mons ana Genrlles In salt Lake City regard the
NO TROUBLE 10 BRIGHAM ANTICIPATED.
REroETER--what do you expect from the present
actiou Oh tue SOuIbS cioiBHk bIIBudln iOuuR Win
asclvousness punishment BY Territorial sta,utep
A. mol much that will seriously affect him by way
OF penalty or punishment, but the great point OBJ
tanned will be his recognition OF rederal authority.
He has repeatedly said that he would not appear in
court upon any writ now the federal authority viii
compel him. lie says that he Will not now resist
tie action or the law, and, that point gained there
Is hope that the whole OF the Utan troubles VIII be
brought TO satisfactory solution.
NO kELIANoE UPON REVELATION.
REPoRTER--Wuuld the people OF Utah 1gnt II told
TO do SO A. There Is no reliance to be placed upon
the action OF people who believe special revela-
ton, wnlcn Is not subordinate 10 human Judgment.
A few years ago an enthusiast Utah, Joseph
Motifs, who claimed 10 have revelation, gathered