New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1870-03-12

q, xecntvn document No 1855 OF this session. whch 10
Mr. Dem in tni So To-
necton that interest bearing debt was tban
the last monthly statement OF inc oecie'"'' '"'e
Mr. BENJAMIN asked the gentleman ,bs sinking
whether he included IN that the amount III '"'
Mr.. vooRHEEs-I precisely what say " include
,h d.bt we have maid as wen as that which we owe
Mr. VooRHEEs-No. sirl do not mean any ~
M RECKThe interest for which We are asked 90 az
proprato for the next fiscal year ompared with the inter
est for which were required 70 co. w ~ bonds have
and SIS 600 are be bought by the ISL
OF July next according to the Secretary $1,000 GOO
S S ra 20 Appropriate for the interest," OF these
bonds which are lying in the hangs Oh we never been
n T For All purposes OF present taxation therst9o,
we are as badly OF as If these bohdS ~eio Ho'
'n Mr. COX Dem " made remark about The gen
tleman from Massachusetts, blowing no. ,hno I'M New
MT DAWES submitted that either he himself Gd pS
E n0tomSn Mr. Cox did know it tor he bad re-
Affirmed Hampshire every wSeS .S saGy word S h he
had said Hanpshirs In no word that ne . mao
uttered the House bad he ever said ,hat the
tration OF Andrew Johnson He knew that Il had been
emed IN Snt noWhee had he done
so He was ready stand by all he mad said n OK
Work mr. Cox wanted TO know how he could say one
thing here and another in New Hampshirei What
had he said in New HAMPSHIRE e v nag S made by
the Bureaus. when they came to be aggrega.ed IN o
yboe we're the words he had used and that he
had taken the liberty OF telling 1hose ,ht
his friend from New could find syllable OF what
he had uttered out of the House In that regard ereht
had used in New-Hampshiro were the figures
covering the actual expenditures between tho ~,
Is7o and those figures, which his colleague on
the the Committee ar. Beck had used jus, p Tr
vet 70 come His colleagues figures were made up 10
two erns item OF appropriations for these
the une xpended BALANCED might he added to te appro
priaons He had stated correctly te sum 1' from U1 that
covered by his fr Dawes'sl figures and therefore, he
could not be arragned them for what he had said,
Eobody coud tell until after July what would oe inc
sum total OF expenditures between jury ooy, NJ"
1870 He. himself had taken the hsuieS between "'''A
His friend Cr Cox had accused him Of SAYING hat
speech in the House he had found 1t Just the reyeise
lie admitted having said IN mat speech aid either AT
the other end of the Capitol at the other eu OF '1o
and he appealed TO dT oprgess he had ever
known appropriation bill tiat naa not '' he
h hU,h then that gentiemans experience was
different from his own. That disposed OF th9 part OF us
remark But he said that they could expect 10
that up the time that the attention vi tne , a,i
OF the country called to the character Oh te es
mates IL was impossible TO awaken attention IN these
bureaus to the necessity OF cutting do rei 1nc
estimates. 1t the bureaus that were Iesponhn,
bic for tho estimates against Mnlfh him Nc 10
had complained and his eKgsIGDee a1hG S sm a 20
orignated that justified HIM IN saying at That time that
IN ey down The Cabinet controlled
III the matter by the Bureaus snch was the orgaAi,
ton of the Departments land which deinanuen chango
nat the heads Departments themselves eond not per
sonay know the necessities OF each OF tei bureaus
without citing Themselves personally TO the matter To
me eTe4sGn G a made M head Of The Department re-
Tbaf aptW
bureaus, aud it was there aud at men, mat ne had IeS
eed his darts. Up to that time ms wspe true,
II they were true now, II IN any quarter there was
disposition TO cut down estimates OF appropriations, ne
was thankful 1t, from whatever cause the change
As 10 the suggestion made by the gentleman from In
would saw that one hundred millions of that debt had
been purchased within year by the present secretary OF
the Treasury while his predecessor hd Deen SO un9fu
nate as TO add 10 H. The amount bought In had been
placed in the Sinking Fund.- IN accordance with law or
was held subject 10 the disposition OF congress- hlIK
ing fund has no meaning unless II held the securities and
accrung interests, aud applied them to the aocret0n
debtor the Government itsef All these bonds that had
been bought by the Government, WINE they stood as
part OF the public debt, were uucanceed obligations OF
the Government, but were uevertheess SO nc oil the
debt owned by tine Government ITSELF and therefore
just and proper TO say That 10 that extent TIE DEBT
Mr. VOORHEES, remarked that his object in making
the statement was to call attention TO le TACT tat mere
had been dminutOn o; taxes under the present Al.
miDistaton and that the Understanding debt had not
DAwE Ss1 a the sinking n fund s sSd@ ni
feel the debt half PAID: but they should con
time appropriating for the interest on IT, as means OF
from Indiana that the Adnin;tIatiyhm aS i ns'
raon had this OF Congress. and that
IL could only diminish the taxes by Congress making
change the law. aud that was what his friend from
Ohio Nr Schenck) had now IN his chdTse-lle reduction
OF $50, 200 OF taxation. -
Mr.. sCHENCK suggested 20 Mr.. Dawes 10 tell Mr..
Voorhees, that 1t was not very heavy robbery on
take his out OF one pocket and
put II into the other. lLaugntcrI
Mr.. DAWES replied that he had occasion TO allude TO
Privilege. He reminded the gentleman from Kentucky
(Bec that the reduction OF the whisky tax which that
gentleman had commended had been made IN a Repub-
Mr. McNEELY Dem, M asked Mr. Dawes 10 try and
reconcile his NewIIanpshire speech with his House
speech, from both OF which lie read extracts.
Mr.. DAWES said that Mr. McNeely was confoundlng
the last fiscal year OF eGSG9 with the last year OF DR.
Johnson's Administration.
In reply 20 nn allusiOn OF Mr. Cox's he sent 10 the
Clerks deck and had read telegram. stating that Gov.
Searns's majority III New Hampshire was l5Oo. with
Republican majority OF 10 in the House and ii out OF the
~ Senators lClapping OF haDds.l
Mr.. LAFLIN Rcp. n. " said he knew no such whole.
or refreshing reading as the Democratic record OF
the past lie had once before reminded the House how,
under the Democratic Administration tho Democratic
party had been eItravagant IN the matter OF printing,
the XXxVliith, ,DemocratIc Congress, e1pendIng
june 1856, under Mr. Perce's Administration there had
been deficiency bill Of $0i59O3 passed, while the much
abused deficiency bill under discussion only called for
little tlOO00OO Let the Democrats pat that in
their pipe and smoke It," [Iaugher There dur.
ing Mr. Johnsons Administration deficiency bills passed
as follows
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He thought thaf the Democratic party satisfied
with their records, the Republican party need not blush
at there.
adjourned until tomorrow This Session to be for
general debate only.
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