The New York herald., 1870-11-15
ARCHBISHOP SpALDIHG.
forciblo Hrpooition of italian Affairs BY the
Archbishap of Baitimore-The Pope
pr;,msr-victor Emanuels Outrage
Upon the Religious World
Objects Of the Ecumenical
Counoil-The Infallibility
Doctrine Explained


umo s.r,a dav cent YOU a report OF the sermon OF
.rcnsubop spalding had q pleasant interview
I'm the urelate my object being TO obtain his
views ON the very important Catholic topics OF the
aav Imet him at the archiepscopal residence In
pajtImore situated on Charles street, pacK OF the
Ca,nadra, yhe venerable prelate extremely
co,r,aons and communicative, giving his views
,raeIv and ully HIS Grace was dressed In a long
n,,rnje cessock with wide sash around the waist,
and a large pendant cross suspended on his breast.
sitting in the armchair he looked not unlike the pic
tures In the prIntseilers windows OF Pope Plus the
Ninth He has the same massive head and face, the
fine slvery hair falling smoothly behind the ears;
the bright intelligent eyes, not large yet striking
and the same sweety gracious SMILE
THE POPE PRISONER.
Having alluded to the magnificent reception ex.
tended to HIM by the Catholics OF Baltimore, he
pied TO an inquiry to the condition and prospects
OF the Pope
"why, SIR the Pope is aprisoncr to all intents and
purposes. The guards outside his palace belong to
the Italian King; the few inside are the Pope's.
but they are powerless for anything. The
outside world has no idea OF the state
OF things in Rome at this moment Those
who write from there TO the papers are carried away
by the gnis ratuus they call liberty, and can speak
of nothing but the glorious dawn Of freedom and
the unifcation OF Italy. Those who shout loudest
OF the term than have Indians. II 1t Is liberty
10 murder priests outrage nuns set religion and the
Head OF the Church defiance desecrate the affairs
OF God and rcve the things and the traditions which
nave been held sacred Tor eighteen centuries, then
there is an abundance OF II; but for any true
ception OF the thing, for understanding that free
dom IN It's best and bloadest sense is perfectly CON-
patible with reverence for law, the established
usages OF society, the forms OF religion
and all else tnat enters into the necessary
compa CT between scientific and political progress
and Christian morality, there is an utter want. As
10 the invasion OF the Fapal territory by King VIC.
tor Emanuel 1t was an act that transcends In guilt
any outrage OF the century. 1t was done In viola
tion OF solemn treaties guaranteeing the inde-
pendence Of the Pope. Advantage was taken OF the
difficulty In which France involved to steal
away the territory which the Popes have had for
eighteen centuries. No reasons were assigned, no
provocation complained OF even no declaration OF
war made; but troops were set in motion and
marched down upon Rome Ike gang OF trained
brigands. This was done on the ninlsy pretext
OF political necessity, as il any necessity could JUS
thy robbery and spoliatlon. There was more than
injustice IN the crime. To violate the sanctlty OF
territory which all the world agreed tohod sacred
and belonging not to the Pope, but to the millions or
Catholics throughout the world, was nagrant sacri-
ege THIS territory was essential to the free exer
else OF the Papal power. 1t bore to the Christian
world the relative position that the Dlslrlct OF
Columbia holds to the United States. 1t was con-
sidered nat u small territory like that OF Rome en-
Joying independence OF ali the neighhoring states,
would guarantee the PontIis an Immunity from
barrassment In the execution of the duties per.
tanning 10 their sacred office, as the District VI
Columbia was found essential 10 give to the Coz.
gress and government OF the United States place
o meeting and transactng the business OF the
nation untrammeed by the influence OF any par
ucuar state Or section. Tue design OF the papal
territory WAS similar. IL was wise In conception,
and conducive TO the strength independence OF
The ple5isctte submitted to the people was aeccp
tion. AT least fifteen thousand strangers 10 Rome
were allowed to vote and money was freely dis
tributed to insure vote IN favor OF tle invaders
Ten Napsieons bought as many votes Chiidrel
were made electors, ana the vilest characters le
loose from the Jails had q voice IN tle plebiscitt
The respectable element OF society In Rome thcil
faces against the act and The prelcnsions Ct the
ceped ann carried out with q willy prctense OF serv-
Ing the interests OF Rome and SAVING II from some
rage he about to commit woni arouse the IN
dignaton OF all Chrlstendonl, and hence the sirenu,
about 70 perpetrate Iy asslming TO take upon him.
sef the protection Of the Holy See and submit
ting pleotsee to the people or his own creatures
ooRREsPoNDENT--Is 1t true tnat they broke up the
NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS. our Council would have
lasted year or so longer had not been for this
treacherous invasion. The bishops had to fly for
their lives An Oriental preiate, who happened TO
wear long beard, WAS set upon In the streets one
day and nearly killed. Several priests were assassi
mated and murder ut this moment stalks through
a the streets Of Rome uncnalleugeu. During Tue not
summer number OF bishops left Rome, leaving
about two hundred, what might be called quorum,
behind. All would have retuineG nthe winer and
the Council would proceed with ats business. We
had q great deal to do before we could
have adjourned. There were forty important
questions left untouched on the breaking up OF
the Council The dogma Of infallibiity was disposed
Of, but that not the most important matter we
had 10 consider. We did not meet specially 10 define
yirtn, ,iiT decided before we met The niiSi vote
taken in the fourth public session, held ON the 18th
OF Jul Y. stOod:Ftdcet 533; n0n-f)tucet 2. dt was
an err VI TO coll an Ecumenica Council. It was
similar sc0unc to those which have previously been
held 10 consider all matters dlrectly or Indirectly
arecIin & the Church. Tne doctrine OF infaIbilIty
was on of the questions which needed u fixed
status This has been given to It and i Is now set
Ing OF can't Sees Oriental orders and foreign mis-
slons had to he lett untouched.
CORREs P0NDENT-lOu were one OF the committee
on the mi albility question.what are the views OF
your Grac upon the subleciY
and myself were the only two Americans on that
committee. As stated in my pastoral. InfahiDlity
as q temporal sovereign, or as o private doctor
writing or stating his own theological opinions, nor
Pope delivering decsions IN particular judi
cial cases depending for their merlr me iesti.
mony or men, much less IN the words and acts Of
Of faah and morals Of Church Discipline
and government the Papal iniaiibility IL
the prophets ana Apostles. nor Is it a nsw re-
velation making known new doctrine, bur It IS
Only divine ASSISTANCE nS aha ny wca H. pugn ny
yinely enabled molly " preserve ana faithfully 10
expound the revelation or deposit OF the lath de-
livered through the Apostles. IL Is manifest that
the Pontifrs cannot define any new doctrine either
confessedly or mpiedly. in the original deposit Of
the faith; much less they define merely accord
ing to their own will or caprice as their enemies
are not ashamed TO assert They have always used
diligently every means at their command TO ascer-
tam what Colformable 10 the holy Scriptures
and the apostolic traditions before deciding
any question OF Iath morals
they will certainly continue TO do so III Inc future,
for nov here Is precedent more rgi0ly adhered TO or
regarded more Sacred than In the itonan Church,
as every. one knows. The Papal nalliGillIy, In the
strict sense OF the deiptlon, Is confined to the DO
main or faith and morals. The Pontir must define
finally settle doertpe-not merely declare, move
or less strongly, u belief. The denDiion must con.
tain docrine 10 be held By the whole Church, and
the definition must De ol1clal or &c cdtteIrd, ac-
cording to tho meaning attached TO the WORD. In
defining the public aud Official iniaslOillty of the
Roman Pontif IN his solemn judgment an alaae-
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