, 1870-03-21

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Q. When WAS the ne1t interview with van
aTLilt7 A. SaverA dAyB After that don't
emember the time.
O. Ware you with Gould At that timer A
.es, cir. We never parted during th.t Har.
az g. SEtste tate he third conversation with Wander
,iits A. It Was in his office. We went thero
ne morning. Found his man Friday in the
ront office, and then tho Commodore. asked
ieG Ct + h r. I'd gE se Ee iSn ts Il Il ss
Int the only question was noT whether it
,ould be clipped through the board. told hin,
i would SO through that night: that I hAd
,cen enough Of the Directors to know it VAS
| sure transaction. He said We would have
{ didn't think 20; thaE they would 10
r,ro{ul to go pretty blind I told him the
trade lad been consumrnated IT. Pierrepoutsi
lie eaid he knew It; said Il ought not to have
been carried out that gchell and Emongst
bis lawyers had not got paid, He asked II the
authority to purchase bis 3ve million Of stock
could be put through the board told him
| thoughtis could,
9. Was anything eaid about bis consulting
anybody elsel A. fee, e s5; n, As Tanteo "a eo,to 10
about putting Bane1eE and Stewart into our
board He said "If you viii put Banker into |
tho board that will help sou and me to carry
our stock, as people will say that We haye
a1nagamated, and it will strengthen the
worked little dide.ent from what We e1-
pss.ed' ppftar that, n'f' Ws @s' n went S'e to his
house only day or two before the prosecution
closed up. Gould and (langhter1 we rang
the door bell, went in, wero shown into the re-
came in very soon, mud wAnted to know how
We we're getting along. Told him thought
everything was AL arranged. He said he would
take 81 III, 900 Of Boston, Hartford, and Enc
bonds and million Of money to pay losses on
tween Gould and him as to the amount OF bis
losses, and Gould insistod upon seeing his
brokets, accounte The Commodore said he
never showed Anything. Gould insisted there
was no such loss as = million. He reiterated
the statemcnt, md said it was because those
highest price, and then when the stock got
down they took at 8 low price.
@. rrevious to the commencement Of this
| euit, did you, at any time, 60 to Vanderbilt
and mike q tenderf A. went in company
with r G. Sherman, and mAdo tsndeI Of
stormy day. We found the Commodore in. I
| eAil good morning, and immediately proceeded
! to business told him I had come to tender
$4,000 shares Of Eric Railway stock, which I
| wished him to take back and refund the mon
ey, and also the million Of dollars paid him
accepted tho tender or not. He said lie sup
posed 20, but wanted first to consult his coun-
sel l had tho SC, 600 sharos Of stock in a
black satchel, all IL elo0 ahare cefha-
Gates. He said he had had nothing 70 DO with
the Eric Railway Company. took ont
| Tie certificates On the table, and asked him
| to count them, and demanded back the million
dollars and the bonds. After tho Belmont suit
was commenced aecused him Of bad faith IN
haYing something to DO with it, and charged
him with having loaded his stock On rs in Vlo-
| Iation of agreement.
Characterization BY eI-Judge Davis: I
made the tender TO Vanderbilt at O'Clock in
| +A~ Ho~-aB5.~ Do1% hrvw Wnft dny, what
month, or what year, sure, without reference.
@. To whom wero the shares made outa A.
| To everybody; that IL, common holders Of
stock. They were given me BY Could
| Q. Whose stock Was it. A. don't know.
I can give you supposition. They we're Of
| I'll dates.
9. Do you know where aouid got these Ger,
ti6cates7 A. No, edr. Let messy that 1night
know al about a transaction, and shn you,
question wuuld call ont an answer that didn't
iIov ANYTHING about it. viii you bear that II
mind?
Judge Davis. I hase no doubt that that VII
' 8. Wien Len did I you see tbose certificates frs.
HAlf m hour before took them. Igave then
back to Gould. .- ....
@. What did he do with thema A. 1don'
know.
Q. Where are they now7 A. I don't know
Have never seen them since.
Q. HAa this corporation, since you have
been In the direction, been tho owner Of large
amounts Of its stoch? 4. les, sir. 6o,o6t
eharee- .
8. When7 A. When it was bought from
MI; Eandefhlt. Lsughter.]
hits with this carpet-bag, BE- kind enough t
tell me what you did precisely 1.-THE witnes.
repeated his statement Of the interview, ani
continued i Then bado him good morning
and came out, taking the eerdacates, got init
legs. M % 20 tSst thes would not sos lost, howini M
that thoy were valuable. Talked with shar
man, telling him thAt he was = mighty littl,
fellow, and could not rely upon him ut al
puGilistically. He said that wae 90. L4uEh
ier. We were speaking Of travelling witl
Judge Davis. That Il WIS dangerous pro
Mr. Fisk. Dangerous property, and nigh
blew up something. I took back the SAM
amount Of certificates Neser took M eye
back. made no list OF memorandum OF th
numbers On the ehArea. have resided in thi
city since 1864 Before that I resided in Dos
( ton In Arrl OF Mas took up my residenc
in New York; It is impossible for me To tai
, when.
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J Boston2 A. At that time- Laughter.] ETh
| witness Was examined ht length Us to tho VI
/ rioua changes Of officers Of tho Eric Company.
went into the direction October Is, 1867.
can remember that, because It Was An eplsoi
! in my life worthy OK being a1ed IN NY min
Laughter.
Q. You had gzay hairs from that tine7 A
Yes, SIR
q. Is there auything That dxos It in you
lnind7 Yes, I saw more robbery fo5 = yoa
! afte1ward than I had ever dIeAmed OF "a poe
sible before. knew Of 1t going on, but didn'
see it. don't remember who constituted tn
, | Executive Committee On the 10th of July. M
, attention was occupied In not being counte
/ out nynelf. I was looking ont for Gould IN
, myself.
Q. Was he looking out for you7 A. thin.
: he was. The hrst i've millions Of couvettibl
:, bends were delivered to me br Mr. Drew;
O. From whom did Ar. Druw receive them
t 4 don't know. Iou ask me positive ques
} | tioEs, and I have got to give positive aaaxeGs
: dent want to put my foot init 1soul
; Ike to apologies to the Court. This is the fir
: time that have been On the stand, and ma
: overstep acme Of the rules; il do, do it i
> Ignorance; it is Wholly ney bqsinsss to me
| eel to guide me, becAuse don't know when
:: ] may be imposed upon
; Nr. Field aIy friend Ia very s1niah1e, but
: mrst object to this st!le Of examination by th
I counsel On the o.her hide.
. MI. Fisk. Look out for ne; that Is ii
I Laughter.
Jndge Davis Your counsel vii take care G
4 | you. You seem to be very trunk.
i Nj. FIX Yes, SIR. tell my story ve1
= quick
) Q. You eay this is your first experience =
! witness. 4 think testified oncc be1ore i,
: = ccw case in the country, whcn was DO,
!; LaughteE.l
t Mr. Field objected to come Of the teetimon,
: bnt Judge Davis clainond that it should stant
II Nj. Field. You wsut TINT kept in7 d.
i. Judge Davis Yes.
M4. Field Thea you don't move To st,il
: out the COW case2 Laughter.
: Judge Davis, No.
q 1he witness Wis questioned minutely
! reference 10 his dtst interview With NJ. Ss,
j dc.hlt, and whi1o hs was describing the Con
a modore ne citing On his bed and being sli]
5 shed, Judge Barnard said: "You hid bett
d leays them at this place until tomorrow 1t
a O'clock"
8 The court then adjourned
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