New-York tribune., 1870-02-07
FRANCE.
THE RocHEFoRr DEBATE.


As il is. tbev come 80 thick that the mind is not
allowed to Get its full amount of sensation out OF
anv of Them The last one has been the affair in the
Corps Legslatif between NJ. Olivier and the Left.
represented particularly by NJ. Gambetta. 1t was
the inevitable consequence Of the attempt on the
previous day TO shut off the debate on the Rochefort
affair and to browbeat the minority. Neither
the debate of the 18th or the 18th has
really placed NJ. Olivier higher IN the pub
lie confidence. The inconsistency of his position
has been brought out into tho fullest light, and his
personal faults his vanity. his obsequousness, his
unfarness to opponents, his love of the sound Oh MS
own voice, have had ample illustration Nothing pu'
the deep mistrust of the Emperors intention anu 'o
fear of the possible consequences has leo 10 ihe p
parent abandonment of the design to break up the
nresent Chamber I say apparent for it is no longer
anywhere talked about or written about. Inere is'
however no other solution of the present dihcuity,
but whether that would be solution OF hot
| is what nobody can say. believe there IS no one
who now pretends that it fairly represents the couh
try but supposing il got rid Of Is IL possipe W
have Chamber really elected by universal suffrage
q thing as vet untried in Francef Could the Gov
ernment keen its hands out of the electoral urns and
if IL did would il submit to the consequences OF an
| uptrammeled vote 2 This is the double question,
the inability to answer which keeps the present
Chamber elected for the greater part by
frand or force or by both combined, and
keeping it, keep NJ Emile Olivier and his friends
in office. With freely-elected Chamber they would
NOT be tolerated in power single day. Both he and
the Chamber are the tools of the Emperor, who is as
much the head of the Government today as he was
when Rouher and FORBADE showed honestly and
openly the hand that Olivier keeps under his
cloak. As nothing spirited has transplred IN
the Chamber since its sittngs began, think can
not do better than translate much of the debate
have alluded to as concerns what is called the IN
cideat- Gdmbetta."
NJ Gambetta-I call for correction in the Jour
nal O6fcieI on q personal matter. The Minister of
Justice being absent, will not make my complaint
in the strong terms / should employ If he were III
his seat. When Monsieur the Minister said yester-
day that he prayed God he might be allowed to quit
power without having shed drop of blood, | inter-
rupted him with the word For that, yOuneed nothing
but grain of common-sense, and to withdraw your
demand for permission to prosecute NJ. Rochefort."
The Minister replied: And you, NJ Ganbetta need
| nothing but a grain of patriotism" The Journal
Ofciel adds, land of conscience" j declare that
did not hear these last three words if they were pro-
nOunced. am strong advocate Of free discussion;
mans opinions q proper subject OF debate but,
as for conscience. accept ones right to Judge OF
mine. and if NJ Olivier were present | would ex-
plain why would accept his right to judge my
conscience less than that of anybody. (Sensaton.l
| A voice-Mr. President! Some one applauded in
the gallery
The President (NIr. Schneider)-H there is any
manifestation whatever IN the galleries will have
them cleared at once. They are only allowed to be
| occupied on the condition of absolute silence.
| NJ. Pelletan-Certanly do not think that we
ought tn ollnw applause in the galleries. But yeS-
| ,er5ou ,rLie tbe Minister OF JnsIlce spcuKmy
heard applause in the galley allotted 10 the military
| took care not 10 cali attention 10 them.
| NJ lie Gen. lie Breton-You did wrong. You ought
| to have called attention to them.
NJ. Haentjens-Ihere were no ohcers IN the gallery
NJ Peetan-I ask yonr pardon. There 'eere officers
| NJ. Haentjens-No There were not. -,
| The President-M. Haentjens. please not to speak
NJ. Peletan-If there is applause, ! demand that it
shall be noticed in one case as lnneh as ID another.
| The President-The law shall always be impair
whatever may be its nature or its intention, ought
| to be and shall be immediately put down.
| NJ. Pelletan-It is not the place OF the President
| to do the work of q Sergeant-at-ATms.
The PIesidentnBE yOur leave know U,dn my ID duty,
form i. Laughs OF appreciation
Enter Olivier, Minister of Justice, Keeper of the
| N. Ollivier-I ask for permission to make per-
sOnal explanation. / regret that was not here at
the opening of the session. am told that NJ. Gam
| betta complained that had added. in the Journal
! Ofciel, word 10 what said here yesterday.
| VI. Gambetta-When yon expressed the wish that
You might quit power without having spilled drop
| of blood interrupted you with the remark that for
that yOu only needed to have grain Of Of common
sion to prosecute NJ. RochefOrt You replied,
"You have only need. NJ. Gambetta. of a
grain Of patriotism" 1s The ;yo.nGl GGsifd, d,I adds
hear 1t is against these last words that protest.
recognize ones right to sit in Judgment upon
my conscience and add that accord that night to
| Los to having nv
experience declare your own conscience to be too
nimble and shifting that i should take any account
of it. Loud exclamations, murmurs and cries OF
NJ. OLIVIER Gentlemen. there are insults and in
| sinuatiOns which have the right to hold myself
superior to This is feeble parody on the famous
GuizOt's famous speech: The insults of my adver-
sares cannot reach to the hight of my dsdain !"
But NJ. Olivier forgot that he is not exactly NJ.
Guizot)
NJ. Gambetta--That is it, always the same plan
Disdain' is the word, isn't lti
NJ up the thread Of his last re-
Gdfe o$ is rs@nd Sga Gambetta that he is
eoUtra5ietion which he DISPLAYS in ali his words and
| all his acts NJ. Gambetta arrogates to himself the
right Judge Others there is session Of this body
| IN which he does not say things which, to man of
! honor are very offensive. We answer them by the
most complete moderation and when unjustly inter-
| rupted say to NJ. Gambetta that if his conscience
had not been troubled by the passions that master it
| NJ. Gambetta-You never SAID that
| NJ. Ollivier-1hat is the sense in which wished
| the word conscience to be understood. Yes your
conscience is troubled by passions for if it had not
been you never would have uttered those sad words
| which we have Just now heard.
| VI. Gambetta-lTisingl
| Many vOces-Enough Enough!
The President-M. Gambetta, permit me
| VI Gambetta-What! gentlemen, do you think
| Will be satisfied with this explanation
The President-M; Ganbetta, let ne appeal to you.
The discussion Of this question is in danger Of be-
coming initiating. l believe that both sides il is
desirable that this incident should end.