The New York herald., 1870-06-14
F0RTY.FlRsr CONGRESS.
SENATE.
WASHINGTON, June 10, 1870.
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second session.


Company upon messages passed over their line, and
TO report to the Senate n they are In excess OF the
rates allowed by the act Of Congress approved May
s, 1861. Adopted.
CONFERENCE coMMIrrEEs APPOINTED.
Messrs. Drake, Edmunds ana McCreery were ap.
pointed q new committee OF conference on the Inva-
lid Pension Appropriation bill, the committee first
appointed having tailed TO agree
Messrs Morrill, OF Me-, Morrill, OF VT, and Bayard
were appointed u committee of conference on the
Legislative, Executive and judicial Appropriation
THE MEMPHIS AND Ell PASo RAILROAD.
Mr srEWAKr, trepl or Ney, from majority Of the
submitted report on the title OF the Memphis, III
Paso ana Pacific Railroad TO lands granted the CON-
pany by the State Of Texas. The committee We're Of
OPINION that the charter was not forfeited, and that
the company was entitled to sixteen sections OF land
10 the mile.
BILLS PASSED.
Mr.. TIPT0N, trep) Of New, called up the bill grant,
ing lands to aid IN the construction 0i railr0ai from
irownylle, Nebraska, to Denver, Colorado Terri
Mr.. HOWELL, rep.l Of Iowa, called up the land
grant bill for a railroad through Dacotah Territory.
any >aand In an Indian reservation, or running
through the same without the consent OF the tribe
occupying It and OF the President Of the United
States, and passed.
CONGRESSIONAL APPoRTIoNMENT.
Al twenty minutes past one O'Clock p M.
mttee OF the Whole and the Senate committee
amendments agreed TO. The bill was then reported
70 the Senate, and the question being on concnrrng
IN the nrst amendment, increasing the number OF
Representatives In the House from 275, as provided
by the House bill, to 800,
Mr.. MORTON, rep.) OF ind, opposed the proposed
increase OF sixty additional members, the present
number being 2i0, as making the House too
wicldly ana impairing its efficiency. Referring TO
the disadvantage OF making population a basis OF
representation he said the result Of the large increase
Of Members which would follow would be the same
as IN the British House Of Commons, where the de-
iDeratons were mainly confined to the chairman Of
the committee and the members were, as class,
generally indifferent to business, sometimes not
more than nifty out OF the whole six hundred being
present.
Nj. TaAyER, rep) Of Neb., was in favor Of the
members and In justice to the new States.
Mr.. MORRILL,, lrep) Of Vt, In reply TO Mr.. Thur.
man, said that with the figures at three hundred
shire would each lose one member.
Mr.. TRuMBULL, rep.) OF H., thought that matter
returns for 1870 from the New York Tribune accord.
ing TO which, Oh basis OF three hundred members,
no State would lose Representative except ver-
mont and 1t was uncertain whether that State wOnld
lose or not The estimate, after allowing for persons
deprived OF the right to vote aud, therefore, not
within the representative population, placed the
total population Of the United States at little over
Tie discussion took a wide range upon the difi.
Guilty o. making an apI0fti0nineat based upon the
new census, in Time for the election OF members to
the Forysecond Congress IN the States holding eiec
Mr. TauMBULL said the census marshas were re-
quired to make their returns to the superintendent
before September 10; that the Superintendent was
required to make his report Immediately, and at
}urtest not later than October l, to the Secretary OF
the INTERIOR who was TO notify the States Of the ap
: Mr.. MORTON said under that arrangement politi.
col candidates i'll Ohio and Indiana might be sub
jected to great inconvenience, as would be almost
the day OF election before the number OF Representa-
tives to be elected would be known.
MIR. TRUMBuLL thought the difficulty stated by Mr..
House bill now before 1t, making the Tuesday after
the frst Monday N November, IN every other year,
Congress throughout the United states.
Mr.. SUMNER, trep.) OF Mass, oppos d the Increase
as having a tendency to make the House unwleldy.
He thought the House would have done better TO
have made smaller number. He favored the bill
passed by the House, as that body was u better
Judge upon such question.
Nj. DRAKE rep.j Of Mo-, replying to Mr.. Trum.
bull, was unwilling to recognize the principle that
no state should have It's representation dimin.
ished. II LAID down 1t would he adhered TO In 1850
aud in subsequent app0riionments, when we would
have population Of one hundred millions, thus re-
quiring House OF one thousand members. fnstead
OF an increase he would be willing to fix the number
as provided by the laws OF 1850.
Mr. TRUMBULL believed that the smaller the num-
ber OF Representatives the further removed was the
government rom the people. lie read statement
Of the estimated increase OF representation OF each
state upon the basis OF three hundred members by
Kansas '''l1' sal%ed one msm5er; View New Jersey, s
Texas, Arkansas, Ohio, California, Indiana, two
New York, Missouri, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota,
tnree, ana 1clluSylVaUlh ana lllDlS HVe. virginia
and West Virginia would have an increase not de-
termned. The other states would remain as at pre-
sent except possibly Vermont. which might lose
one
Mr.. DRAKE said the six New England States, with
less population than that OF the State OF New York,
mad twelve senators, while New YORK had but two;
an amount Of political power with which our Yam.
kee brethren ought to be content If they happened
to lose single member in the House they should
no. complain
Mr.. EDAUSDs, Tep.) Of vt.-Have they com.
planned?
from Illinois mr. TrumbulD takes 1t up for them,
and proposes to increase the number Tor their Dene
tit. He opposed any further increase OF members Of
S Mr.. 'i Yates, rep % of lila ill., argued M that Smaller dis
tricts would make Representatives more directly
responsible to. their constituents. He looked for
ward TO the day when there would be a hundred
States with two hundred members OF the Senate and
four hundred members Of The House. This large
number would be III harmony with the design OF the
trainers OF the constitution, By creating Leglsia-
ture sufficiently large to represent all interests.
Than too, there was less danger OF corruption iii q
large body. 1t would take more money TO innu-
eDce IL.
Mr; DAVIS, ldem] Of KY, preferred reduction of
Mr.. THURMAN, (dem) OF ohio, said that with the
press of business upon them In undertaking TO man.
age the currency and railroads OF the country, the
elective franchise, every right OF State sovereignty
and ali legslation foreign ana domestic, 1t was not
to be wondered at that the dominant majority or the
House became impatient and resorted to the pre-.
vous question to silence their opponents.
The amendment increasing the number OF Repre-
sentatives from 2.5 to 800 was concurred yeas 81,
days 81
Mr.. MORTON moved an amendment requiring a
preliminary report by the superintendent OF The
Census to the Secretary OF the Interior VI the results
Of the enumeration OF the population, so that the
Secretary. may sooner ascertain the basis OF re-
presentation in the States, &c. Adopted.
An amendment by Mr.. TRUMBuLL, that In any
State where by the new apportionment there Is an
increase In the number OF Representatives the addi-
tiona number shall be elected TO the Forty
Congress on general ticket, unless the States ether
wise provide was adopted.
Tie remaining amendments reported by the Com
mittee on the Judiciary We're adopted.
MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT ON CUBAN AFFAIRS.
The VICE PRESIDENT laid before the Senate the
message from the President Of the United States on
Cuban AFFAIRS which was read. Upon Its conclusion
Mr.. SUMNER moved to refer the message to the Com
mittee on Foreign Relations.
Mr.. THURMAN rose to speak upon the Message; but,
yielding to the apparent disposition ofthe Senate to
take recess, said he would make only one remark.
He understood the message to be aproclamation not
to the American people against interference with
Cuba, but to the Cubans to lay down their arms. He
had never played demagogue upon the Cuoan ques.
tioa but, for one whatever mightbe the situation