The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1870-07-05

been confined TO one political party. In Churci
building there had been many difficulties, and {
man who wanted T. build church had frequently
to suffer greater injuries than man who committed
misdemeanor, especially In parishes where thu
trcts-to neglect his duties. Then, again, he though
| there were two classes OF disSenters who Claimed
driven away by the policy Which prevailed two CEN
turics ago; ana secondly, th0se who more recently
had been driven away, like Wesley In consequence
| the friends OF the Church instead OF It's bitter
foes. He denied that the clergy OF the present day
same time De believed that the Church generally
might become an institution OF larger sympathes,
OF wider character and more extented appllca
hon. In many parishes the pay0chal system
had broken down OH account OF the autocratic
power OF Che clergyman which put him in the posi-
man. II he kept himself within certain limits, might
set his people ana HIS bishop at defiance. thus
tnfusng many OF his parfshlOners into the ranks OF
dissent. Already an inroad had been made upon
me parochial system by clause In the Endowed
SCHOOLS acts OF 1852 affecting school chapes and he
to private and pubic cRapcis He advocated the
formation OF diocesan synods.
rae Duke OF Marlborough rendered the thanks OF
the meeting to Mr. salt for his sugge sive remarks.
What had principally struck him was the past and
times there was much political agitation, and 80 now
discussions arose which tended to shake the nstltu
persons We're very much alarmed az the @ prS
vgor in Parliament. But Il they took those changes
had been productive OF benefit IN this respect he
might aude to the reapproprati0n Of ecclesiastical
Ecclesiastical Commissioners. It had strengthened
the p rochio agency and had done much 70 call Out
voluntary aid by which alone the spiritual necess-
ties OF our vastly increasing population could be
met So that he thought they need not be alarmed
ut tue changes which were impending. There was
great vitality In the Church OF England 80 that
While they admitted that past changes had not been
unbenefcial they might hope that future changes
might not prove 80 dangerous as some anticipated.
tire. and he believed that While they re aimed all the
essential features OF the Church they should endeavor
TO give to Il the greatest possible popularity among
the masses OF the people. iear, hear.) Its doctrines
aud discipline wee OF Divine oris and sanction,
and these could not b. changed without DANGER but
st,l the Church was capable If limitabe expansion.
He was in favor Of encouraging voluntary action but
ment would prove the effective means OF stlmu
lating voluntary aid. (llear, hearJ This remark
Oxford where immense sums had been raised to
meet existing 6ndOwments Without endOwmentS
1t would have been impossible TO call forth such
marked voluntary assistance. But, perhaps, the
matter OF the greatest importance ut the present time
was that of education. Hitherto the Church OF Eng
land had led the van In thus great work, and now
churchuen should strive to maintain her position in
that respect quite Independent OF any legislative
matter before Parliament at the present time, which,
he thought, furnished strong evidence that the
Church was willing 70 reform herself Clear, hear.)
The Rev. DR.. +. q. Lee, Vicar OF ALI Saints, Lam
beth, complained that no principle had been pointed
out on which cxpansiveness In the Church should
to determine was whether there should be an Els.
tabllshed Church at all, and upon this matter he
thought recent division lists In the House of Com
mons had a tendency to create very much ALARM
The reverend gentleman strongly urged that all
members OF the Church should adhere to their three
creeds, and that they should resist tooth and nail
the political dlssenters
Tile discussion was continued BY the Rev. Dr..
Bber, Rev. W. J. Buckley, vicar Of st. Mary's Pad
dngton; Mr.. J. G. Hubbard, Mr.. Dimsdale, III. p,
Mr. PrideauX, q. G., and other gentlemen, and
thanks voted to MI. salt, M. p for his paper,
and tn fhn Ink of Mar hnr nQ. for dinU
The Rev. I. Darling pronounced the benediction,
and the proceedings were brought to close.
Mr.. Gladstone's Defence Of the State Churci,
Bishops.
In the House OF Commons on the 21st of June-as
has been briefly announced by cable telegram In the
HERALD-Mr. S. BEAUMONT brought on his frequently
postponed motion for leave to introduce bill to
relieve the Lords Spiritual thereafter consecrated
from attendance In Parliament" Their presence In
the House OF Lords, he argued, was not advanta-
geous to the Church, for there were many peers who
would speak with greater weight and power for the
interests of the Church If they were attacked
Neither the spiritual peers useful to the State
for they had always voted against all popular
measures. This measure, too he maintained, was
bop 0nss Of a
SHIRE was anxious that the bishops should
be reegated TO their diocesan and ecclesiastical
duties; their political position stood In the way OF
Tie increase or the Episcopate and he pointed out
prelate to the House of Lords.
Mr. L. KING seconded the motion and in proof of
It's opportunities referred to the abolition Of the
Irish Bench OF Bishops and to the recent attempt OF
the English bishops to 'dig up an obsolete statute
for the appointment OF Sufrragan Bishops. He de-
listened in the other House to debating bishops''
great ''actors,n as he first called them, but IN
rcsS 10 10 to tho
OF no use to the Church in the House OF Lords
he enforced by alleging their backwardness in
depressing tualist.c excuses, aud that they were
useless the State he showed by citing their anti
popular votes since the Reform act Of 1881
Mr.. GLADSTONE commenced his reply by good
humored reference to this fact as complete dis.
proof OF the fnsnuated completely. He remarked
that 1t was almost unnecessary to say that the gov
ernment opposed the motion, for Ii they thought the
abolition Of Episcopal peerages necessary. 1t would
have been their duty to undertake the work them
its supporters that IT'S prospective operation in
reality gave long lease TO the Church Of England.
IN o OF the
peerage and he urged that to dismiss them from the
House OF Lords would weaken the hold Of Parlia.
ment and OF the external world upon them.
In the course OF his speech the Premier said:-
Don't let my honorable friend withhold from his
own view what take to be an undeniable fact that
however he may geek In other respects to vindicate
the operation Of this notion 1t must be regarded as
a motion which win greatly diminish not the innu.
ence OF the State only, but the influence OF the exter
nal world, the influence OF society," the influence OF
opinion, the influence Of that which rs called modern
civilization outside OF the episcopal sphere over the
episcopal body; and my impression Is that there Is
no inconsiderabe porion or this House. as well on
this as on that side OF the House, who would but
very reluctantly bring about such a contamination.
My honorable friend Is, of course entitled to admit
the disestablishment OF the Church II It
were q motion for the dtsestablishment Of the
Church, and were avowedly such, should
argue against 1t on that ground. But don't think
my honorable friend has presented 1t to us In that
view, because he desires to reserve his Judgment on
that subject: and If he Is DESTROYS to establish q
srate OF things in which we shall have Church,
tiona by law but In which the preates Of That Clutch
are TO be removed from the House OF Lords, must
say there appears to me to be great harmony be.
tween the arrangements by which they have place
as peers In the House OF Lords and the establishment
OF the Church, and greatly doubt whether Parlia-
ment VIII seriously and practically entertain the
question presented to by my honorable friend I'M
I'll 1t is the very eve OF entertaining the much
larger question which he does not at present think
1t to present to us. tiIear, hear) But there Is