The New York herald., 1870-03-07


does not acknowledge the helligerency or CUBA.
Your sympat6ies are with the Cubans, are they
suMNER-My sympathies are always with all
people struggling for independence. fne time has
gone by for Spain 10 exercise her past dominion
over Cuba.
"upon what ground, Senator, do You oppose the
recognltion oy this government OF the cuban
ssruggief WHAT indeed must they accomplish Tor
themselves in order to be acknowledged AZ beiiige-
Tentsf''
suMSER-They have everything to accomplish as
surrection in the interior or the island. But they
mold no city nor town OF note. They have no port
u would be quite ABSURD for US TO grant them BEL
llKerent rights under such questionable circum-
stances. The lnsurreclion, in point OF importance
might be compared TO the trouble gwen us by the
seminole Indians cbeitained by Osceoa. But that
u longer ago than you can remember. They were
encamped IN the glades OF FLORIDA. and
e was as with difficulty and great expense
had no IDEA Of extending TO them the rights OF the
laws OF war. Perhaps would be better to compare
tns aistarnance IN CUBA to the depredations COM
the borders Of Euxne Sea.
I'm case the United states should acknowledge
tive difficulty with Spainr,
suMNER-It is possible Spain would wage war
-.lias she power to 90 us much narmY,
SUMNER--No doubt but tnat eventually her efforts
would snfier defeat; but not until incaculabe harm
with Q gentleman not long since made an estimate
OF the probable damage should suffer tiu case OF
war with SPAIN at hve hundred millions OF dollars,
and he thought my estimate q low one, placing his
estimate at thousand millions. Ana In either case
II IS quite evident that Cuba does not merit from
the incurrenCe OF such expense, TO say nothing or
the human lives that would necessarily be sacrl
dced.
"A conversation held with you by some newspaper
correspondent not long since upon this subject dis
closes facts OF note In regard TO the relation or
Spain to Cuba aud an adjustment OF the difficulties
between them. ls that reported interview TO be re-
lied up0nf"
SUNNER.-I did not read 1t, but was told that an
interview had been reported by some one purport-
ing TO have been gwen BY previous invitation and
the like can only say that the report was sheer
fabrication. no such interview having been had and
no such assertions were by me authorized. am
really made angry at times by the things am made
to say in the newspapers; but II Is quite impossible
for me to read them Oil and correct the false impress
sions conveyed. (rhe Senator alluded to the B0.
"In regard to the future OF the Africans Senator
40 you think the election OF colored men to hign
Offices as IN the case OF Revels VIII become q fixed
iact?o
sUMkER-That win depend entirely upon their
cducauOn and capabilities. As j have told the
colored people, II lies within themselves. at
present see reason why their future election TO
positions OF trust and honor Will not be OF frequent
occurrence.
II suppose none OF the Senators who never. never
would sit in legislation with anegro have RESCUED "
SuMNER-Ao, no one has resigned yet-(a light
smile passing over his face and bit OF irony creep
ing into his voice..
There Is considerable talk about the annexation
OF territory To our country. DO YOU deem an exten-
sion OF our borders advisable, aud would our
prevent system OF government continue to prevail
satisfactorily as nowS'i
SUANER-I know OF no reason why 1t should not.
Even now, Mr.. Sumner, IL Is the opinion OF many
that the interests OF the Pacific States are OPP
posed to those OF the East that breach Will ensue,
and the government be divided with the Rocky
Mountains as dividing line.n
suMNEk-i apprehend no such danger. believe
the republic TO be immortal and the Pacific Rail
road bond binding the East and tue West
mdlssoluDly.
in the possibility OF annexation OF Canada or
Mexico which do you think most deslraolctp
SuMNER-That or Canada. because OF the likeness
Of the people TO ours. You will ma Canadians
very much as we are. But II you should visit
Mexico you would hnd but little In common be-
tween US and Mexicans TEey are not harmonious
a. a nation, ana a union with them we need not be
particularly anxious about, The annexation OF
Mexico will probably occue quite as soon as 1t IL
desired
speaking OF Canada reminds me OF our English
baina claims questionrn
SUmNER-Nothing has been developed OF late.
do you expect q satisfactory settlement Of the
aGars'
SuaSER-Yes, hope for one.
senator there Is another subject that has In
terested us in the past, ami does doupiy at the
present time. And that Is suirrage-what IL should
GUIDED are likely to have hand In governing IA u
well as being governed by US, does 1t not seem v
you tnat somethlhg more thah ctizenship should
| required Tor the endowment OF the elective fran
chseY ~
| suMNBR-Perhaps you are thinking OF an cduca
rOnal basis. Desirable as that might pc II Is quit
! jneXpedient, considering the course We have pul
sued towards the people of the South. 1t possDl
that in the future some regulations may be made i
regard to the exercise OF suffrage more rigid thai
now attain. without conflicting OF duties. But TIA
| Is something that time only can decide.
what Is your opinion OF woman suffrage, Sen
atOryn Tne question was put innOcently enough
but IL was evidently regarded by Mr.. sumner a
being exceedingly funny. He did not laugh out
rIgnt, but his lace oloss0cd into fun blown smile
he looked about tne room AS II half expecting thI
advent ol a small army OF the strong minded, raj
his fingers through ms hair, changed his atiitud,
percepuDy, and seemed to be electrified with q lil
charge OF good illmor. was hoping for Somctnin.
wonderfully gratifying TO write TO the Reu0,atOn
was possible Tor him TO say that he expected to sit II
the nations councils with Mrs. Stanton. On thu
topic he was non-commlttal as tombstone.
Il don't think much about the possibility OF It, ;
he yentnred. $50 many other things consume
my attention. What do you think or the cary
achievement OF .he efforts being maoe TO obtain IL y
"Oh, sir, suppose the very general discussion o
the question omcn5 success either partial entire
am oDliged TO you, Senator. for THIS lntervew.n
SUMSER-NOt at all Miss -. Good morning
Perhaps should not nave cut short this intervieV
so abruptly had he not turned FROM Senator fntt
Yankee ! Was not prepared to be questioned
especially upon subject In which was much II
the dark. Retreat was the better part OF vaor and
nalting moment In the nall to look ut a statue--s
woman IN marble--i left with a softer place IN m
heart Tor the great senator than all OF Lent spent ii
the senate gallery would have produced.