The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1870-11-21
SUMNER IN TEE WEST.
He In Interviewed by n Chicago Reporter aud
Gives His Views About President crnnt aud
Ex.nIiris,er Motley.


From the Chicago Republican republican orgaal
Nov. lei
Hon. Charles Sumner arrived Ia the city Yesterday
forenoon ana lost no time IN deIorillng h@ carfst
bag IN the care OF the amlabe hosts oi the sherman
House. reporter VI the RepuC toaa, reeax the
illustl lous name and address. -, harles Sumner.
Boston, Inscribed upon the register OF the n0tei.
supplemented by the figures -, decided ~ once
lhat Mr. summers most immediate desire was VITA
Out doubt conye sation VITA somc aashoTa@el fcp-
feseh'a'i'e of tbs Journal.
CHEZ SUMNER.
ne therefore sent up his card. and was soon
ushered INTO the presence VI the Senator, VINO
seemed 10 be already holding quite 10 eptioh,
aioelt MS arrival could not have been made gen ray
known. Inc gentleman W tn whom ne was "a con.
verse; however. was immediately bowed out ana
chceriui sort oil conversation cOAJne need. Mr..
sumner sat In an easy chair. presiding over room
rainer more Uttered than hotel rooms usually
are unless the occupant be either an editor or
oehslor First. there was his huge poltllahteau,
s.a,inS Woe 0pen then there wa the small centre-
taDie pied hlgh with news papers and letters winch
mad been forwarded 10 the senator's address, then
sOmc Vyercoats, &C.; then
THE SENATOR HIMSELF,
iooahg az tall broad and deep as ever and little
more portly than lew Years ago. His massive
neau y likewise little more than lost mot That
the senator ever loses his head, as nguratibey
uerstoodl-tnt lost TO the view OF the casual specia
Tor IN the thick, long anu shaggy crop OF Sena-
torai hair which encompasses II round about lAe
following conversation men ensued:--
RErosTER-l called to pay you my respects, Sepa.
sot anu aln giad you nave found your way " The
Northwest again
mn. suMSEk-Glad to see you, SIR. Sit down. yes
always IKE TO visit Chicago. WuaJ Is there new
heres What Is this hear about
Y y THIRD PARTY2
Enter mere Hon. Isaac n. Arnold, with his charac-
tefiSstc suavity OF manner and iastldiousucss
tune. Including the statesnanlike stock,u or huge
neckcfchief ON which the repre- sentative OIL Chicago
III Cong ess Is accustomed 10 rest The lobe oi either
ear.
Cordial greetings between Charles ana Isaac, fol-
lowed by free Triangular conversation.
AkHOLD-How 40 you lhd yourself In health Mr..
Sumner
srmsER-Tired and cross, 1 assure you. Tired
AgNoLD-Have you travelled all the way from Dos
ton at Uncel
BILrETGD OUT.
SUMNER-Oh, no, bless you. gu see Pm on one or
those occurring tours. have hired myself out to n
lyceum bureau and am being bll.eIed out upon tho
aud shall be glad indeed when get back 10 nv
bed In Washington. But pre- sure aud temptation
| carry me through 1t al-prcssure and temptarion
| and I'm stlll young enough TO yield 10 tnenl.
THE "HEPUBLICAN.n
| The conversation immediately drlrted upon no
litlca matters as might lie expected, and tue re
pafiicdh was mentioned.
ARNOLD ou'rc making a very interesting paper
o. the ReDuottcdn. great success. Tread II every
| day.
| Reporter puts IN a blush (aside,, and remarks
that he thinks an edisral paragraph IN the current
issue viii STRIKE the senator's views as being cor
rectnxng the relative cIeuit OF the admins tratlon
| and Congress- IN the SAVING OF expenses and DIM
| mutton OF the debt.
| SUMNER On GRANTS ADMINISTRATIONS.
| SUMNER-Uh, ] have no doubt tnat Grant is an
| honest man and administers the government the
DeSt lie KNOWS now. lfc du Inc best chance
ceivaoe to do great things ana dstingus himself
as an Executive. Grant Is honest but he dont know
everything, and, unfortunately he don't know that
| he don't know it, Now, zach Taylor was not br.
liant man Or statesman, but he knew IL, and sur
rounded himself by men who made up his ue
Dciencies, just as ans sensible man would DO Ii I
we've direo ted 10 take loadea vessel from New York
tn oUg the Straits OF Gibraltar at0 the Mediterra-
mean sea- should not undertake, ignorant as 1 am
OF navigation, to sail 1t myself. but would get for
my first mate the best man to lie had ana taking
hun into my room and confidence leave MIN 10 d.
rect all the matters didn't understand. But Grants
administration seems to go loo much ny personal
preferences.
TIE ST. DOMINGO JOB.
st. Domingo was naturally alluded to In this con-
Mr.. SUMNER, replying, said that 1t was good IL
lustra'on OF what he had been saying. Those
gathered around hlm or in his actual Cabinet
ny what warrant it WAS difficult to say, had
speculation IN that quarter, anu Grant had,
honestly enough, been persuaded into their
there, that the whole coast OF the Bay OF sa.
mana Is staked on INTO lots and marked ..Cazneau
and "Babc0ck'' and 'Bacl' ana that one or two
particularly large ones are marked '.Grant.n
| ARNOLD-lhey undoubtedly put Grants name
| down without ms knowledge.
SuMkEK-Most likely You remember that Caz
neauf lie Is an old secession demo rat, appoint Ell
Mlnliierfuere by Pierce an continued by Buchanan.
on that account. on, it was bad business tnat 81
Domingo scheme.
MoTLEYs CASE
Mr.. Motley has been pelemptorlly recalled by Tie
Presidents -
suMNER-undoubtedy. The personal feeling is
very bitter III that direction.
KEPoKTER-What do you understand to be The
grounds alleged by the President for the recall
SuMNER--Ncil, the nrs iieafu OF Grants inten
ton to do anything OF that kind was whispered 10
inc by q Senator last spring. VINO reported that
Grant had said he wanted somebody more Ameri.
Can.
MISUNDERSTANDING to the charges that Motley
is tufl-hunter, or parasite To the arlstocracy
MorLEY'S MERITS.
SuMNER-Probabiv; Tor Ii he means that Motley Is
unAmeican Ia feeling Or po IT. IL l., the most al.
surd or charges. His iaut Is Ju the contrary one
1he TACT Is, Mr.. Motley Is so Intensely American thar
he can't discuss a question per aiming to American
politics, life or customs with those Euro eans with
out great liability To lose his temper. That is tue
one iaut Of Motley. If YOU call IL fault. He has
made hnsel. respected by all the public men there
as first class diplomat. Ar. Thomas Hughes and
mr. -. another member oI Parliament, who has
recently been over, were botn extremity loud in
Their praises OF MotIcy's qualities asa Minister. :
THOSE INSTRUCTIONS.
REPoRTER-It is said, on the Presidents authority.
believe, that Mr. Motiey wrote his own lnstruc.
tons before emharking on his mission.
SUMNER-Yes I've heard that. Now, Mr.. - the
fact was Just this: lit Is CUSTOM In sending out
diplomat either regular or special Tor the state De-
partment TO receive from him schedule OF his views
oi International pO!lcy, that they may AS ba-
sls In drawing up instructions. Caleb Cushing WHO
Knows great deal more ABOUT the conduct Of our
government than any body now III Washington, told
Inc that IN BON cases wnen he had gone ABROAD as
Miniser--0nce to China and once 10 Coombia-he
Lad drafted his own instructions. In case they
were signed Ivy Daniel Wooster and IN the other Dy
Wulan II. Seward.
A BAIT FOR FISH.
Now, when it was determined to appoint Motley
10 England Sail to Mr.. Fish, who with significant
expires slon OF c0antenance Is not laucriOus man,
"ona,i have Mr. Motley draw up a schedule OF his
views Tor your Inspection and AS possible basis Tor
his nstruciionsp FISH jumped at The IDEA, and tue
Result was practically a'yoa have stated.
kkPoRrfR-Neli, now can you account for the
Presiuenps personal hostility To MOueyY
MOTLEY AS STUMP SPEAKER.
SUANER-i cam OF see, unies5 II Is on my account.
Mr.. Motley. as the country well knows. mate the
most powerful spee II Tor Grant that was made in
the campaign when elected him. Ihat speech was
tue speech Oi historian ANA a statesman. Babe, Il
could Lnd nothing 80 good Tor his euiogy OF Grants
Character than To embodS the analysis cmployed by
Ao1ieJ; anu General 1iant himself mas repeatedly
expressed his Obligation 10 Mr.. Motley.
hEioRfEk--And tfiey say, too that Motley Is your
Minister, Mr. Sumner; That Le represents you IN
England,
SoN.rNTERc CURSE yn
SrNNER-So they do: and want 10 tell you that
have not writtel word 10 Mr.. Nouey upon any
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