The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1870-08-16

credit for an addition 10 the number OF men for the
army 0, winch inc House has been already informed
votes, while In the view Of the government they are
not beyond the necessity OF the case are adequate
leone TO the charge which has been made bytheFighJ
honorable gentleman. The right honorable gentleman
establishments, and he likewise arraigns the policy
! OF the governments. He thinks ne has now reached
e en On his ao ne Charge s
having pursued policy Or reduction that mas
the tsa means arc Of tine
retrace our steps. tRenewcd cheering) meet the
right honorable gentlemen sc,th as emphatic con
Ministerial cheers)as the forms Of Par
lament Will permit to the assertion on Which he
POUNDS the charge We refer with satisfaction TO the
we have been able to lessen Duroens OF the peo-
ple--thear. hear. from below the gangway)-and we
are especially glad TO have been able 70 afford that
prove that in the midst OF all that relief and all that
reduction there has been sno diminuron Whatever;
but, on the contrary, there has been outstanding
and an increase OF our real domestic available force
tCheers.) What is the use Of system OF naval de-
globe, multiplying occasions OF difference OF quar-
REL OF danger and OF conflict into which Parliament
e hurried t Dy the cS 81 some subordinate
cepted on the recommendation OF a Cabnetq What
Y the use for the purpose OF defending
dignity OF the United Kingdom at great European
crisis OF that sporadic system which enables you II
yoa think A. to want your strength IN those parts
may be dying. but which, instead Of adding any
thing. actually deducts from the real strength and
energy OF Tue country we cnallenge comparison
on the part either OF Que service OF the other,
with the condition IN which we found these estab-
Iishmenis when we TOOK 0hce Wemake no charge
against those VINO came before US; We merely
thought tney dld not make the Improved arrange
mehis wnicn appeared 10 us 70 De desirable. But the
risnt honorable gentleman makes charge against
US anu u IL our duty 10 meet ms cnaiienge Dy state
Miens 'ilat tlefe ID Lo uimlnutOn put rather an IN
that mean not force dispersed all over the world
~ inuIc iractlons ana nandIuls out aiorce available
to 10 .ne purpose oi tue ognity ana power,
Va uiscnelene ue uuSi9s y. shiS country, II unDap-
pLy tIe occasion snouu arise. rake tne very sim
pest PROOF, consistng u Two Mems-lor am not the
per OF details on tns suoJect and Tor my own part
tnn !. very S'SaS quesI WneIher the House
VIII " WI. Hoe pe uisposeu W iouoW the ADVICE OF
the right nOnoraDle gentleman, and TO call for
mass Oh Information on tne suoJect. lhear, hear)
but .hese ue,iis are Maters aDout when there can
De 10 uiluCulty LAKE Ihc ACTUAL force ~ nome ana
! take the reserve force at home, by which mean
the reserve OF the regular army. The actual force
was $1,000; according to the establishment OF 1870
1t was $4,000. That may be small difference but
still IL Is not difference on what the right honor
able gentleman calls the wrong side. But the prir.
ciple on which we have been endeavoring TO act is
th.s--that with an actual establishment compare
lively moderate should endeavor to institute re-
serves by which our actual establishment might he
greatly raised in OF need. And how Go we
stand as compared with 1868 respect OF reserves?
In the year 1868 the first and second reserves num-
bered 10000 men, while in 1870 the number had
reached Al, coo. tlear, hear) want to know how
in the face OF figures such these, the right honor.
able gentleman can sustain the charge lie has made
against her MajestyS government OF having reduced
the force available for the defence or these shores
for any great European purposes. clear bear.l
The right honorable gentleman says he would like
to hear OF large Channel fleet; and, sir, we have
such fleet, the particulars OF which the right hon
oraDe gentleman shall have If he wishes; for It Is
not the business OF tue executive to Withhold infor-
nation which Parliament DESIRES though 1t is the
duty Of Parliament 10 inquire to the reasons for
asking such information. (Hear) The right honor
ha
says 900 have been spent but which he hears
are unarmed; the right honorable gentleman is GER
tainly wrong to his figures, for believe not more
than hall the sum he has mentioned has been ex-
pended nut he Ii right as to his ornaments. Those
ready to be put in place as soon as the iOrts are
finished (Hcar, neaR) The right honorable gentle
has pretty large Of 9ar wac
must reply that, with the exception OF certa in num-
Der OF battaons, they are upon very low establish
ment, Tor which reason we mean tomorrow TO ask
the authority OF Parliament to raise them foot
ing more adapted for their economical use In SER
vice, II unhappiy it be neces airy. Then sir, The
Tignt honorable gentleman asks what Is me supply
Oh arms OF pecision 70 Wn,ch reply that n Is ade
quate Ior every immediate purpose. Ceres OF
40 iIen' ~ nouotaoas sea.ienen knoW Detter
,nau we w, Wy az ueuu i 10. .nein give 10 the
p pous th ,o u,ont f ro,,
her M.Ses.ys soVeinhen !asenu 10 ASK iOr vote
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arise. tear hear With regard TO the ouest,on ~
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fhai ~ ~ have nnt univ ma,nta,nad hni we he
grestv "nroved ths miiitorr cnnaor IF a ine
eonndrv When the right ho1oran ie TentIeman
cSargess' y" with nay,ng Weakened and redfIcad
onv nG ~ which scnssinn If tbs E,J 40 ' he
r-nnnrIv c9rfnctad. hnt 1in NOT fh,nr - y
wory OF the right honorable Gentleman to- refer to-
M sy y, .n rt,san WHAT was the nssa ben ,h
righr bnnorahie gentleman. who has tw,tted her Ma
iestvs government. was i'm otilceS am Sorry thai
he nnoocn me rrhr honnrah,e yantioinan hoa nn
ei,or mo ~, , Sraw into natioSa dahata rnoa,a
defance Hear hear Does ne not recnl,ect ny
boasts of reduction Which in the last months and
weeks OF his term of otce and particnlarly on ihe
fore the neonie? (iear. hearI DID they dischar%e
no sl.ed artisans in 1882 fAn honoya HE Inno
| hertNo. ~ Well il that be so INV coleagnes have
misinlormed me most abomnably; but this we are