The New York herald., 1870-06-19
ROME.
Council Proceedings, bat Not Much Progress
Infaliibiity in Discussion DaiIy-OppOsition.
list Arguments.

to the proceedings OF the Ecumenical Council, for
the days OF discussion, which succeed each other
with great regularity, are also very much alike in
operation ana result. The Fathers have already
been employed In twelve general congregations with
the discussion OF the mere ensemble Of the schema
regarding the primacy ana infallibity OF the Roman
PontiT. On an average four orators have declaimed
every day against the proposed dogma, which has
been supported on the other hand by nine govern
ment partisans The method observed Is for the
opponents TO speak their full one day. and their 0D-
jections are replied to collectively by one OF the OFF,
cal members OF the deputatiOn Of Faith at the OPEN
ing OF the next days assembly.
About fifty members Of the opposition have hith-
erto spoken against the nlallibility dogma In its
general form, and there fresh aspirants to the
rostrum every day. 1t is calculated that an equal or
greater number will follow their example. But when
the Fathers come to the discussion OF the separate
chapters and individual clauses Of the schema, and
especially to the consideration Of the opportuneness
OF axng to the fourth chapter, which treats of the
Pope's personal inlalbility, the anatlema canon
culsing all unbeevers In the new doctrine which
his Holiness indugently omitted, we may expect
that at least another hundred champions of lnde-
pendence will spring forth into the episcopal arena
to defend the conscences of the faithful against the
encroacanents Of ultra Romanism.
Hitherto the opposition orators have colncided in
four principal arguments, thus:-
Fa;St-That hasty ana decided dogmatizatiOn OF
the personal infalibility would be highly lnOppor-
tune at the present time.
Sec0nd-l'hat the formula proposed by the Court
OF Rome Is obscure.
7ntrd-Thai lne discussion of the subject has been
introduced in the Council in opposition to the order
OF the foregoing preliminary debates.
Fo,nGh-lhat the Court OF Rome. by getting up
addresses and petitions IN favor OF the infalliby
dogma, signed not only by priests, but also by lay
men and women, especially In ihe dioceses OF bish
ops opposed TO the dogma, has infrlnged upon the
spiritual rigns OF those prelates VINO are by divine
Institution the sole guardians OF tneir nocAs.
This last accusation Is founded on fact; for hun
dreds OF such addresses nave been received here
and referred to the Committee De Eide as important
docup,ents, besides obtaining pompous publication
in the ultramontane journals. need not say that
the Paris Untrers is always foremost IN the an
nouncement OF similar triumphs; but / must not
omit that the Pope has expressed his gratitude TO
that thorough gong Jonrna IN Latin letter, which
bty demonstrations or the clergy and laity In Ger
many ana other continental districts treated by
the Roman press as mental alterations or diabolcal
institutions.
Among the orators who have lately distinguished
themselves Ii the Council Hall from the opposition
benches is the Archbishop elect of Lyons, Monselg-
neur Gnoulihac, who demonstrated loudly the evil
results to be apprehended from the proposed dogma
tzation, and declared that for his part lie would
combat IL che last even were he left alone In
the struggle His energy called forth cries OF sop
time" IRON the Fathers Of his own way OF thinking,
but the Legaie's bell summoned tneln all 10 order
FRENCH COUP.
The fiery Bishop Of Orleans has not yet spoken He
is reServlng his cloquence for coup de grace at the
close OF the debate. The Bishop Of Constantine
who now affirmed that the Pope could not err would
subsequently alirm that he could not sin-very
likely.
Even the Orientals have come out strong on this
question, especially the GreekMelchite Patriarch Of
Antioch Monseigneur Jussef who told his colleagues
in very understandable Latin that people in the
East had great veneration for Ecumen."al Coun-
CHS, and would hardly brook Popes assumption 10
superiority over such assemblies. The Archbishop
of Paris made Il useful suggestion that If the Pope
were to be invested with spiritual infa libty he had
better be disinvested at once OF the dangerous &C.
compartment OF temporal sovereignty. or the two,
Pho Mono would rather let the spiritual dignity
''sde,u as he would always be sure OF reganlng it.
AS have mentioned the Oriental bishops, / may
add that a letter from the fugitive Armenian Arch
bishops OF Antioch and Darbeker mas been received
by the Pope and Bishop Fesser explaining the mo-
tves OF their fight and eXcusng any irregularity In
their "order of goingu by their fears OF abrldge
ment Of personal liberty
The Pope is very angry with the French Ambas-
sador for having furnished the Armenian monks
with passports, buttle did so at the request of RUS
TEN Bey, the Turkish Minister at Florence, and he
declined dong as much for the two archbshops, on
account OF their Council duties. Tney succeeded in
getting oil all the same.
LAY DIPLOMACY.
The Marquis dc Banneville is said to be dsgusted
with his position here and TO have applied for his
recall, but the Memorial DtptOnadttGue made a
grand mistake a lew days ago in asserting that his
Excellency had received instructions from the Duke
de Gianont not to medde with the Ouncil at all or
to mention the Daru memorandum in his future
communications with the Court OF Rome. On the
contrary ne mas already consigned note to Cardi-
nal Antonelli IN which the warning voice Of the
French government Is renewed, and reprsas
threatened In case Of the Councils being driven to
vote for Papal inlalblty and the celebrated twenty
Unfortunately the French episcopacy IS "a house
presen a. the oounc fully nall f will SUPPORT the
Pope In his most extravagant aspirations leaving
learned and conscientious opposition OF about thirty
prelates, headed BY Dupanloup and lukewalm
minority Of ten Others ready to trim their sails ac
cOrdng to the wind The bishops OF other countries
are not so divided. GERMANY gives us the chief
lioeral members OF the Council. We know the ul-
ira Roman tendencies OF the Ango-SaXon and Celtic
bishops, for. with few exceptions, they are all nal,
Australian, while spanish, Portuguese and South
American are OF course OF a similar opinion.
FOREIGN INTERESTS.
As to the bishops in partt6us and missionaries,
they are mere government machines, and, although
obedient as long as they are In Rome, they would
fain be back at their respective stations where they
enjoy something more like liberty OF action Nearly
hundred OF these fathers have applied for leave or
absence but the Pope does not like losing so many
plucets at the approaching voting, and will, there
fore, detain as many as he decently can until the
inlalliblty schema has passed
TEMPTATION.
This condition is with the Pope sine qua non for
granting the Ecumenica fathers a brief summers
OF absence will be granted to those bishops who
apply for It, the SIAN and some service companies OF
the Ecumenlcal corps VIII De kept on duty all the
summer to carry on the discussion OF such topics
do not require the attention Of the whole Council.
INVOCATION.
There is to be a grand procession on Pentecost
Day. to mplOre the especial Intervention OF the Holy
Ghost in the deliberations Of the Council.
THE PoPES PHYSICAL APPEARANCE.
People say that will break the POpes heart If his
tnfalibility Is not dOgmatized by the Council but
we have had so many proofs OF his Holiness wonder
ful bodily and mental elasticity under rever5es and
contradictions OF all sorts that think there Is no
need for anxiety on this head Yesterday afternoon
Pho Mono appeared to be in admirable health and
spirits. He walked all the way down the new road
from the Porta San Pancrazio to The Lungara, ex-
amining the progress OF the works. and stopping
frequently chat with bishops going out for their
airing returning to their residence at San Piero
in M0ntorio, where u good number OF them, espe.
cially orientals are lodged. His Holiness looked
anything but anxious anu seemed to be as cheerful
and happy as possible.
THE SWORD
- French journal, the Messdqer des Apes Mart
times, having stated that two regiments of infantry
with battalion OF ZOuaveS and another OF Chas-
Seurs, were in readiness at TOulOn to embark for