The New York herald., 1870-03-28

gravity against Mrs. Howard-a charge Of perjury;
OF conspiracy and IN fact, OF every crime involved
ne which was aege3 70 nave Sa0S taxe6
not be allowed TO cross-examine Mrs Howard 30 az
Eye nm the chance q getting anything from Ssr
witnesses IN cnief upon tue same facts.
Their lordsnips having consulted together
The Lord Chancellor said he was OF opinion tnat
the Solicitor General had not put the case upon any
new footing. Mrs, Howard claimed the oaridom for
case Having Ing given evidence IN support Of i shs
was liable 70 be cross.eXamlned upon II, and she
tsy daHe Ser n
| which case she would have known no more OF them
than she did now nor even 90 M much e. she had an
Sir L. Pamer-Cau Mrs. Howard.
Mrs Howard was then brought to the bar, but
I OF conspiracy ana perjury mad been made against
her she should shut her lips until that case mad been
The Lord Chancellor is not for yon, Mrs. How
ard, to determine in what manner the case Is 70 gc
You must be sworn. and II your counsel objects
TO any questions that may be put TO you his oplsc-
! tions Will be considered. 9s1n 4teA
Mrs. Howard-No; have made up my mind;
Charge after charge has been made against nae All
| along.
Lord Redesdae-No; It's the same charge
The Lord ClancellOr--lt IL the same charge al
through, VIZ, thaI you are not the motaer Of this
child. However, 1t is required OF you tnat you
should be sworn you must take your own COZ ooarse m s
! Mrs. Howard-S0; no one shall induce me W pe
sw0ra-
The Lord Chancellor-Ther we are 20 under
1
| Mrs. Howard-Yes.
| The Lord Chancelor-You must know tnat py re-
fusng 10 DC sworn you place yourself IN very serf-
| GUS position, because we may commit you.
| Mrs. Howard--A charge OF conspiracy ana per-
jury has been made against me- IL is not fair thar
should oe first cross examined upon IL. Let tneW
first make out their case.
Lord RedesQaic--i don't think you are asSisMng
/ your case by taking this course.
| Mrs. Howard-f am to meet a new charge now and
| next week there will be another charge
| The Lord Chanceiior-fou mad better ADVISE Win
| your counsel
| Mrs Howard--No. I have made up my mind.
| Sir II. Palmer-Perhaps LIE lady had better retire
win her counsel. IL Is nos Tor me 70 adv advise you'
| the Lord Chanceior-You had betIer retire with
| your COUNSEL Mrs. Howard
| Mrs Howard then IelL tie bar for few minutes
with tue Solicitor General after wnlch the Solicitor
General stated 10 the CON mttse that he had done
his best 10 induce Mrs. howard TO De crossexam-
| ined but she st declined to De so.
SIR X. Palmer-lt may nave some erect on the
mind OF the lady If she IS given to understand by
OF the matter, tnat II she does not submit TO be
crossexamlned sue VIII not have an opportunity of
| being Aeard IN the case hereafter
] Lord Chelmsord-Ihere is difficulty in antici-
patng the course or the committee 1t IL rather new
] Tor yoa 10 tell Us how we shall act.
| The Chairman then took tue chair, and, the House
having resumed, the Chairman reported TO the Lord
Chancellor the refusal OF Mrs. Howard TO be cross
] examined.
| The Lord Chancellor then addressed the House and
said it appeared TO MN That the first course TO be
taken was Indicate to the House that the lady had
been guilty or gross contempt and that they ought
to take the usual course He therefore, suggested
10 their ordsnps that the proper course pursue
would be TO commit the witness for refusing.
Mrs. Howard having now been brought 10 Jae bar,
| the Lord Chancellor moved that Ellen Howard had
been summoned 10 the bar and the oatn rendered TO
her TO be sworn ana sne mad declined to sworn,
and for thai contempt she oe committed TO the Gus
tody Of Black Rod
The motion was agreed to.
The Yeoman Usher Of the Black Rod removed Mrs.
Howard 10 No. committee room, with instructions
from the Lord Chancellor that should see no 0ns
and thatsae might be recalled to the bar for the pug
pose OF beng Identified.
Four witnesses, including Mary Best the mother
OF the child, identified Mrs. Howard as the woman
who TOOK away the child.
The Solicitor General, for Mrs. Howard, said they
had received information from Bouogne which
would go to snow that the child was adopted Dy
totally different party.
The case was adjourned for O week to procure this
evidence and that Of two Irish ladies' sisters, VINO
could give, II was alleged, important evidence
5eiore the Lord Chancellor and the Lords Com
mlttee on the l4th OF March, the Solicitor General
said that information mad been sought on the sub
ject and the result that, In hls Judgment, 1t
was not worth while TO pursue that INQUIRY Their
ordshps were aware thas 1t was not every clue That
led TO the discovery oil truth.
Mrs Mary Ann Jones was then examined by the
Soncitor General. She said--I am the wife OF
ss N 1Sena IN waa AZ % pn h1@
street; Mr.. and Mrs. Matthews lived door;
dead; know Mary Best she was tie niece OF Mrs.
Matthews; IN 1864 she was living with them In the
that Of Mary Best: in Ist4, about July, / mad d
reason to believe that she was with cnild; took
was, and communicated what he SAID TO MIS-.
Matthews.
In consequence or what passed did you ask Mary
Best VINO tue father Of the chld?
Sir X. Palmer objected 10 the question being an
swereu IN the absence OF Mary Best. lie dla not
wish to waste time out, on the other nand iS was
not Ia the interest OF rutn and justice that anything
should be placed before their oroshps which was
adniastnlo evidence aHd wonld nave the eGept
OF Introducing doubts as the statement OF Wit
ness, VINO he believed was an honest One before
sne had been examined lii tue proper way the
subject
Lord Chelmsford said this placed the house in very
great difficulty.
The Lord Cnancellor-I think the house has
great reason TO complain OF the management OF
| the case. The proper course TO ADOPT was, in
stead Of writing the letter 10 the other side,
| 10 have obtained an order OF The house for
the attendance OF these witnesses In order tnat they
might be cross-eXamlned. Unnecessary expense
ana loss OF time have been incurred, but ap-
pears tnat justice cannot possibly be done without
The presence OF those persons. IL Is most unfortu
nate circumstance but do not see what other
course we nave to- adopt but adjourn the nearing
| Till Thursday.
The Solicitor General said the information he had
communicated 10 their lordships only came TO the
knowledge OF the solicitor on Friday aud he at once
teegrapAed 70 London suggesting THAI an aajourl-
ment OF the case should be applied for
MI. Bastobel managing clerk to the solicitors said
he went down To Liverpool on wednesday and was
engaged Hnbil Saturday, from early IN the
1ng until late at night IN making inquiries.
Fhe case was then adjourned until Thursday.
orders were directed DC Issued for the attendance
OF the different witnesses.