The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1870-12-30
TIE NEXT PRESIDENCY.
The denomination of Grant BY
AcclamatiOn.
Characteristic Interview with GovsrnoF James
N. Ashley-Ths Great Impsaohsr" On the
Presidential Fisld-His Views About
Grant Chase, Hendricks 10
gan, Bishop Simpson, 90,
gan, Bishop Simpson, 90,



are more noteworthy than that OF Governor Ashley,
Of Montana, who was superseded last summer ~
importance OF the ONCE, but because OF the promi
nent part Mr. Ashley had taken in the organization
standing he had Always occupied In its ranks This
gentleman Ii now IN Chicago. on his way east, and
believing that he might have some Important infor-
porter to the fremont yesterday 10 interview him.
Tue following Is the result Of short conference
REroRrER- Well, Governor, SEQ that you have
turned lecturer The newspape. 8 say you are going
to lecture, but they DO not agree on the subject.
some OF them say you are to talk Of your experience
Mr.. Ashley gave his head negative shake.
question OF emigration rs anecung the western
Territories.
Mr.. AsHLEY-wen, guess that's nearer the
NATIONAL POLITICS.
knowing NY Ashley 10 be wide.awake. keen
and active politician we soon directed the CONVEX
sation In quiet way to the subject OF national poll.
tics to ascertain the views OF the distinguished ex-
Governor on the future OF parties In this country.
MIR. AsHLEY.-The republican party will renOmi-
nate Grant by reclamation, Just as they did Lincoln
REPoRTER-Think sof
Mr.. AsnLEy-Dead sure No use talking abont
It,: And then, with shake OF his massive 'front.'
RKpoRrER-Do You think he's working for III
"a MT: AsnlEYmworking! Bless your soul, he lives
RKroRTER-And you think he'll make 1t, against
MI. AsnIEY-I don't know Of any Others In tho
TO do with him9
REpoRTER-Make him President suppose
MIR. AsHLEY-Heu have hard time Of II. Trum-
bull Is not the man for President. He's too id
cold. Besides he couldn't beat Grant IL the Con-
yentlon, nor any place ese
RErORTER-hill Grant DE re.elected2
Mr.. AsnLEY-Dont know about that II depends
on the democrats. II they act wisely they can beat
him. Rut you generally count on them to play the
fool. II they think they are going to win they are
sure to put up some candidate who can't be elected.
REPoRTER-Most anybody would win against
Grant just now. Hendricks would beat him all 10
Mr.. AsHIEY-You needn't talk about Hendricks
as most anybody" He's mighty big man, tell
you.
REPoRrER-how about Pendletons
Mr.. AsHLEY-Oh, he's played out
REPoRrER-He has The Presidency on the brain az
bad as Chase ever had.
MIR. AsHLEY-Yes, worse guess.
MR.. CHASE.
The incidental mention of Mr.. Chase's name
brought TO The recollection OF reporter the fact
that he was IN the presence Of great admIrcr and
fast friend or the Chief Justice and the
Ton was quickly diverted TO new and Interesting
channel.
RsPogTEn-Is Chase as badly used up as the news
papers report himY II So there won't be much
chance 10 make President out OF him.
;, MI. AsHLEy-No; ne is not Notwithstanding
like II. l had letter from him about month ago,
written by his own hand-1rm ever He said he
felt very mnch annoyed by the newspaper reports OF
ms PARALYSIS &C. an9 he had no doubt they all had
brain was Daralyzed--his mind gone AMI all that
sort OF thing and That ne goes asleep in his chair
the bench.
REPORTER AS Judge Mclean used to,
Mr. AsHIEy--Yes; but when nes fast asseep ha
has more sense than Grant has when he's wide
REroRrrR-And yon don't think he could be para.
yzed down to the Grant standaris
Mr. AsHLKY-N0; except by violent attack OF
cholera.
KEpoRTRK-well, 80 you think he can be kept up
and moving for the next racer
Mr. AsHLRY-Of course he can. Put on first rate
Vice President with him and the people win be
satisfied He'll last till the Attn OF March, 1879, any
( hEPokIEn--ii IrIonug nad managed II rt0b,
sucy could uave nominated him in '6g.
Mr.. AsaLEYIYos; but Chase has always been
Te ana she poorest politicians have always
against hs WISH but he hm THIS too always
been very anlucsy In getting Into bad nuH ne has
hadn't been SO he'd have been President long ago.
have been nominated by the New York Convention
THE ELECTION OF 1858.
REPoRTER-But II nominated would he have been
Mr.. AsHLEY-Yes; certainly.
REpoRTER-Don't know about that. The people
were insane about Grant, and were determined TO
elect him.
Mr.. AsHLEY-Not by ID sight. A change OF
two and one.eghtn per cent OF the vote or Indiana
and Pennsylvania and three per cent Of the vote of
Onto would have beaten him, even with that old
REroRrER-Were you for himf
Mr.. ashley opposed MS nomination, but
body against him I'd have been for Chase but e
impeachment had killed him of with the republic
cans, and saw there was no chance for him.
GRANT AND ASHLEY.
RHpORTER-How did Grant come to remove yon
DID you say nything agalnsS him or work against
Mr. ASHLEY Cpughlng heartIly)-I don't know
why the devil he got after Inc, unless 1t was for
speech ! made at banquet given TO the retiring
members OF Congress the night he sent In the nomi-
nations for his Cabinet. felt mad about It, and
said everything ! could lay my tongue to. Hero
Was q man elected by the republican party maxi ny
up his Cabinet without consulting single repre-
sentative man Of that party. Thought 1t great
outrage IN representative government and said 50
that night. In my speech at the banquet said we
were "dumb In the presence or dummy.n And
guess that wasn't the worst said either. for waa
RnroRrER-were there any other speeches like
thatR
Mr.. AsuIEy-Yes None OF them were quite as
bitter as mine; but they were all pretty sharp, l
think.
REroRTER-it was q private banquet; ana how
did Grant hear ol your speecn2
MIR. AsHLEY-Oh, nc had his lacqueys all over
Washington, and they ran 10 hlm and told hlm ali
about 10. They put me in the papers as having
made That speech at Omaha, On my way to Montana;
but never made any speech there ut all. just
after made the speech that night, General Buck
land, who had heard 1t, tapped me the shoulder
and said:-"Well, Jim, you've upset your little tin
chances.
REroRTER-Did you ask Grant for the appoint
Mr. AsHLEY-No. Inever called on him after his
nomination until the day before LETT for Montana
when called 10 say that hoped he'd hear good
accOu Mt Of my stewardship.
WORD ABOUT LOGAN.
REroRTER-Well, you had good hackers when he
MIR. AsnLEY-Oh. yes. Bishop Simpson stood by
NO. ami called on Grant In my behalf.
REpoRTRR-Why, are you McthodstIcal poliu-
clan tOos
Mr.. AsHLEy-oh yes; I've always belonged to that
Church. ! swear little; THAT'S tho only thing
against my good standing.
REPoRrER-Dd you know Logan had Joined tho
Church, to0y
Mr.. AsHLEY-Grcat God Much laughter by Mr..
AsheY.)
FUTURE PROSPECTS.
Concerning the political future we found Mr.. Ash.
ley In state OF uncertainty, except as to Grants
nomination. lie believed too, that Grant would
make himself very strong Dy securing the vote Of tho
entire South.
REPoBrER-Do you mean at the electonf
Mr. AsHLEY--Yes.
REP0RTER-B But some OF the Southern States have
gone democratic.
Mr. AsHLRY-ycs, I know they have. But he'll
TX that You'll see some fun about that time.
In conclusion, Mn. Ashley reiterated hts faith In
Chase hoped the reports OF his rapidly failing health
going East to see HIM and have talk with him.