The New York herald., 1870-02-02

tnut Justice would be Kept quite apart from pOl-
ucs Why those pr0GecuttOnsf what Ii th0ir
obJectt They have been quaiidod ~ isut and re
greited by the parisans OF the Cabinet The Minis
now seeks to put its own responsibility under
shelter. Can It, or ought t 70 do sor In my opln-
ION It has no r,gat TO make rhis ministerial ques-
Gion IL has conciliated certain sympathies py the
promises or q certain programme and that pro-
srsm%s Il Bound 20 ;n Appa9
men, fully admit that the question before US u .
grave one involves the fate Of one OF our col
leagues and the committee therefore did not draw
up the report without the most mature r0nection.
But II we had to re00mmence our task we should
M EMANUEL ARAdo-Tne whole question IN
voved Is the principle OF Parliamentary lnvl0abilty.
That doctrine was not instituted M ior sns proseo.aoa
OF the independence and integrity or assemblies
which represent the sovereign. 1t has always
been carefully maintained except In the case OF those
crimes OF which u prompt repression was necessary
to society. But to hand over y Deputy to the law
officers or tho for articles Of the press every
time that a private Individual would have been
liable to prosecution IL the absolute negatOn OF our
iumunites and the entire abandonment Of our Ade-
pendence. Applause on the Left.l
NJ. EMILR OLLIvIER-1hc Chamber Will permit me
to disregard In the observations which have Just been
under consideration, as / merely desire 20 explain
IN tue Cearest and most succinct terms what the
government requires First Of all as TO the princi.
pie involved, there cannot be any discussion. You
have been told that Deputy, representing the na-
tlon, Is involaDe, and the statement Ii perfectly
correct; but In the name OF the committee, the re-
ply Is made that the law also cannot be violated.
even by the representative who voted IT. and there
again the affirmation Is perfectly sound. Ine
whole matter In dispute therefore. Is con-
fined 10 the point OF ascertaning whether M.
RochefOrt can be reasonably considered as having
violated the law. The government mas expressed
It's OPINION ana the Chamber has now to examine.
not that view is correct, but II IT Is PROBABLE n.
ROchef0rt has declared, with OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES
when admit at once, that the opinion the
that the Cabinet mas desired TO get RIO Of trou-
besome Deputy, but that he himself does not think
so. He must allow me TO tell him that II he holds
seat In this Assembly. he does not owe that adyan-
tage to any maladdress on the part OF the govern
ment but to the ciemency which mas been shown
hun. NJ Rochetort would not pow be sitting here
had be not been the object, hrst Ol measure Ol
amnesty ana 1 afterwards OF On excepMopa par pr1v
a safe conduct IN spite Of condemnation IN CON-
mon law.
tiOns) arrested but the bad effect OF that act
determined the authorities TO let me 90. tRenewed
marks OF dtssenL) add that II hau been sttll de.
tained ia custody, should not the less have been
elected.
M. EMILE OLLIvIER-M. Rochefort Is quito right
In thinking that the Cabinet does not cali for this
PERMISSION to prosecute In order to get rid Dep.
uty who has proved disagreeable; and may add
that the government leeIs no annoy ance III seeing
him IN his seat or In hearing him speak.
NJ. toCHEFoRr-It Is not wnat l say here that Is
feared, but what may utter elsewhere. tNolse.)
The Munster OF Justice has the objectionable custom
0f addressing me personally. Ii0rbid him any such
familiarity. (4oud laughter from nearly every part
M. EMILE OLLiyIER-Can the opinion which M.
Rochefort does not entertain be held by the masses
Can any one imagine tnat the present proceedings
tuihlIedY No one can for moment suppose
the contrary. some persons nave spoken
tort must have been when he wrote his
article. An II IN that piece OF writing there was
only the expression of an aliction exasperated or
even unjust, We would respect that internal agony
Of man struck IN his dearest affections and utter
ing under the influence OF the blow cry the effect
one movement which did him honor, when, on the
hrst intelligence OF the sad news, he went 70 the
Ministry Of Of 1nstcs; nr ne % knew well Wen tn shat on the
thought-thal OF dong Justice. N. Rochelort did
not ind me there, and regret it, for should have
told him that the order whicn he sought had been
given anhour before. lie announced tnat he would
return but IN place or doing 80 he went ana wrote
the article w Whcn mas necessitsssd s prose.
was, for l am not either Judge or public
accuser; but can point to what his friends and
18th January read the Mdrseittatse OF the same
date, and the RJo,rae resierday-everywhere you
VIII lind that Nd. Rochefort's article was an appeal
to arms.
NJ. RocHEFoRT-Who signed the article IN the
R(Jo7me?
NJ. EMILE OLLIvIER-M vermore
Nj. RoCHEFORT-M Nermorel may be looked on
with suspicion, because he mas certain connections
which, rlgnt or wrong, pass for belonging to the
lions with M. Rouher, and not day passes without
the fact being cast in his teeth. ttenewed iaugnter
cannot see what there Is risiD G III the matter.
NJ EMILE OLLlvIER-That is family quarrel
between those persons; but N. Flourens your
N. .RoCHBFoRT-Certalnly.
NJ EMILE OLLfvIER-HaS said exactly the same
thing. All NJ. ROchefOrts friends looked on his
article as an invitation to nsurrecti0n and II the
government does the same Is it wrongf A court OF
justice will decide AS Tor u.s. being responsible for
arms we nave asked the Chamber to aid pn Is IN re-
pelling IT, Is tue present case mere press offence
an erroneous expression of opinions Never was the
press IN France more untrammelled than at present.
and this very prosecution Is the theme In the various
Journals OF the most opposite appreciations.
commented on, bur attacked and nsulted? But
IL there any proceedings instituted for such
language Is there any impedlment thrown
in the way OF such remarksf (Ioud cries OF mo.
no. y Only We nave always maze distinction be-
tween opinions and acts; the former we respect but
we do not admit any net that contrary to law.
Now, outrage on the sovereign Is q proceeding OF
that nature, AZ Is defamation Of private person;
and never 80 long as we exercise power win we
permit such insults or an appeal TO civil war to
pass unpunlshed. tApplause.) And to speak OF
the matter In political point Of view. do you know
why are resOlved2 Because those articles
are becoming habit IN certain part OF The press.
We have no dread OF revolution, not because the
army IS faithful, loyal and COURAGEOUS Loud n-
terruptlOn on the LeftI
NJ. GAMBKrTA with great warmth)-That looks
like an ailusion. ask leave to speak.
The PKESlDENT-i permit you, but recommend
you to show more calInness
Nj. GAMBETTA-I ask the honorable Minister'S par
don Tor nterrupting Kim, but he seemed ailude to
what mad said on the army. | never doubted It's
courage, and no one more patrlotcally tnan myself
makes common cause with 1t. Noise)
Nj. EMILE OLLIvIER-If had any intention OF
making such an aluslon would have spoken out
plainly as always DO alluded to the campaign
which certain part OF the press Is at this moment
making against tue army.
VOICES ON THE LEFr-You mean in favor OF the
army.
NJ. EMILE OLLIvIER-I maintain the word cour-
ageouS. No one car think Of suspectlnR the military
courage Of the army, but there are persons who
arfOgate W themselves the right or doubung its
civil courage, 2d that right certainly do not accord
them.
NJ ROCHEroRT-Yon sent 10 Africa those who give
proof OF civil courage. (NOlse)
NJ EMILE OLLIyIEK-We do not dread revOlutiOt,
r,t merely because tce hdCe aY1ay lOyH Jditt-
M and courageous, .gDr me are Heu at0aTe that
material JOrCe does not possess at ats efficiency
nl,teSS i0isen sustained on mat irresistible moral
strength tChtCh IS impaired 6y ihe assent or ne
nation. We do not apprehend revolution, ] say,
because the nation VIII not have 1t. loud ap-
plause The nation Is satisfied at seeing that the
government Is ready 10 assent TO Its demands and
TO carry out the reforms which are ripe
and in season. In presence Of The pacific
changes winch are being effected ana the
establishment OF constitutional government
the nation, reassured AZ to the present.
confident IN the future, taught by experience
that disorders never profitable to liberty and
he nrst Nv ciy