New-York tribune., 1870-08-23

they did not see their way through they ooud not nnd
sufficient evidence in Scripture tradition TO define the
personal independent separate absolute lnianity OF
proceeded say that had proposed to the car
dinals: You must allow me rankness 70 say that the
By those who had direction Of this Council
that is this: You did not from the beginning
state what you want by your dogma You say the Pope
has infaiblity but it has been decided at what
time, or how, or in what manner want to know when
teachings Of the Holy Scriptures and Of the teachings
tradition. You have never informed us" Ny beloved
to paper in the East which win not name which
has greatly abused me. That paper said was obsti
from Rome and especially the subject of Infahility
will turn 70 the whole tenure Of my life in this city,
then said: Your definition Of Infallihiy has caused
great deal OF trouble II created scsms and differences
OF opinions in the Church. One Pope imagine 1t was
NcluaS L. taught that baptism IN the name OF Jesus was
a. asutclent without the name of the Father and me
Holy Ghost II he were intaible, ne mover would nave
taught that. Here is John XXIL, who teaches
from tha pulpit that those who die with the peace OF God
on her lips viii he u beatic condition until the Day
Of Ju igueut Are 10 consider those teachings eA
Wen when got TO that part OF my discourse told the
Cardinals in Council that there was another weghtier
objection which wished to have removed before gave
my assent to that dogma and that was low we are % 70
swords are given me by God spiritual ana telhpOia
GneF sought IN the Dominican library oi MINERVA, III
Rome, To refresh my memory, and 10 see on What
grounds they claimed the right Of contr4lng temporary
affairs, OF deposng Henry Viii or Elizabeth, or any
other temporal Prince. absOving their Vassals tron
their oath of allegiance, their soveiesns did nor re,
Speoi ne ac o. us tIe IN b
I wanted The Council 10 saw whether they asserted
right of that kind or assumed il as n right The entire
Council with voice cried out: Those Popes had no
authority, commission from God, to pretend 10 any
Nell ftoid tnch that thanked God had spoken, and
had decided 10y this Council that instead of assuming the
RESPONSIBILITY oi those bygone times lappausel the day
had gone by when such things were possible We have
settled.
FURTHER OBJECTIONS TO THE INFALLTBHTY DOGMA
TIE question was also raised by CARDINAL 4" What is
to be done with the Pope if he becomes hereticp II
answered that there had never been such an exam
pie but in such a a Council Of Bishops could de
pose him for heresy for from the moment he becomes
hereto he is not the head member Of the
Church The Church would not he for moment
obliged 10 listen to him when he begins to teach doc,
trne which the Church knows to be false and he would
Pope for instance, to say that belief in God IL
false, you would not he obliged 10 believe him; nor
Christ" sc. The suppOsiton Is Injurious 10 the Holy
Father in the very idea but II serves to show you the
funess with which the subject was considered Ample
thought given 20 every possibility II he denies any
dogma Of the Church held by every true believer he snO
dogma Of Infaibiity amounts TO nothing 5ppausel
article Of temporal government or a. cover for
perhaps may have been already long but cannot
refrain from ma king some observations In regard 10 the
in which have heen treated by certain papers.
Before touching this will say that have here fun
one which was not enabled to deliver and i'm which
have ample quotations and arcumants 70 show that the
people are the sovere.sus OF power [Appausol
PRESS
propose now 10 speak Of a class Of men Who op-
pressed with sense Of their honor and dignity out
rage the feelings Of dignity and proprcy in speaking Of
those ay whom they have been received gentlemen
and whom they wish to present before the public. do
not know Of a impcrtnent and insoent class Of
society than these "intervewcrs" They come with pre-
meditation and malice af1retEought, and, with Phar-
pride take notes C person, appearance ana WOiu
they pat hm I'm the piOry in the newspapers the next
morning. Here he denounced "interyewer' OF this
city who recently published an interview with Lim
also say that the publication OF the doctrine oi Ifai
hity need wait Tor the official signing OF the acts
Of tLe Council before the 1 tie I1il, a
has been pronounced on byV3 Idiulis hIso!s, Az Az
bots and ParaTchs. say that the public needed not 20
yewcrl makes me say that it could not be published
tn afrerward" The Archbishop next read an extract
very insulting. Speaking of the custom OF presenting
one SELF before leaving Rome for The purpose OF paving
presume to present himself to receive the
Pont,ficaI blessing r. AID furthermore, That
lis discharge from the pre~ty Office Is Ger |
TAIN and his severance from the Church is likely to
low" II Is evident that the interviewer Of CiIciu
matt paper did not understand what he wac writing when
h tt.r be- more careful lie said that he came here TO
proclaim the rsoual Haihbty Of TIE Pope n his owl
here as he hd written in his letters to tie Pope, as he
had proclaimed u tine Council and as he had ann ncd lh
Sion with Nr ClmpbcI he had Indicated the nfal.iby
Of the Church in the strongest language ana win
cra1e i a he vp Psi not 9thdTo 42% ss ad GPSa GSa
the subject Mr. Cory. a his remark, IN last SATURDAY
commercial had been very unjust 10 MN, ana very u-
just in regard TO the uas.hcent deiIoIsstoa 30 20
EIndiy made by uoth laiA9.cS ana ir,les.@dnt,, @
or Catholics and non-Catholcs, when he came
Mr Cory'- rellarls was that Nhcr a. Afchhshop f-
cell had denied iu his debate with Alexander Cauphe!l
many years ago, that Papal lnid Dhty was dogma OF
the Church. the Er was noN gwen u ms as'eItloni
that AlcXauder Campbell is now sustained, ana tAe
doctrine decided u have always been dogma OF the
Church. The doctrine Of Papul Inability never was
believe 70 De a dogma Of tAe Catholic church ul tAe
other day; therefor, tie Bishop was right ana AeNan-
der Campbell wrong IN say ing So low an AICHusnVp
must feel when be huds stealng over him. "a, he
tends his flock, a sense OF being . hereto,
however faint that sense may De. tLddSHtcl.I
COMMENTS on THE DOGMA
He then proceeded read the text OF the dogma OF
Iniabnty tlansatng t from the original as he read,
and commenting occasionally thereon He said that II
was wei that be should proclaim the last words OF the
pope in defining the doctrine OF InfalihLtr. He pre-
faced the reading with these words; editors OF
eysuapers reporters who here present 10 send it
On ne Wines 4 '5 ci Ire sy a. a. On Scl @ an
one of most faithful Catholics who sWOrc allegiance
Rome" His Grace said, in conc .u-Iou; Ihe Bishops
were many Of them afraid tlat outside influences wouo
II j.. not the Pope with the White cassock tnat We nave
"a fer but certain cccesl1stc Who dress ~ bisik cas-
what they please But wherever there are men, there
aOne day after / had said mass-snd here let say
that this great honor a. We could not all say mass,
and beside this the POpe further did Inc the honor OF
Isctiur me for an as slant official on Ash-Wednesday,
winch that MT object OF dstrust OF sus-
picoI-thi, day say, went TO take breakfast with
roman Bishop. Here let me whisper 10 you that there
was room where you could get coffee soup, or caret
,yno and II was even reported that Spanish Bishop
uscd To smoke cigarettes here such the tender care
which the Holy Father took Of his children that he pro-
Jcd All These things for us After Il I've or hour Of
solemn session in mar very dsagrecabe hal on this
at "a win this Prelae fulv an hour He told me that
there were traitors in Rome. He mentioned too,
F,t6er I wish that the Piedmontese had possession
fpFyA hpIps UU