The New York herald., 1870-03-18

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Mr. vanderbilt SAID he must consult Bancker and
Stuart he said we must put them in the board; that
| would strengthen the stock; day or two after
wards they called on him again; the arrangements
were made without consulting him; the Commodore
tod him the arrangement; he said these ''skunks,"
| he called them, had thrown all the nigh priced
stocks on him; they TO bring him million ana
quarter OF the Hartford ana Erie bonds, two mil
lions ana half to take up the stock and million
subsequently witness made tender to the Com.
modore OF SO 900 shares OF Stock he said he would
have to see his counsel; ne said he had mad nothing
TO do with the Erie Company; witness demanded
back the money and the bonds; there we're two sepa
rate demands; there was separate demand for the
million; they were at the same time the stock lay
out on the table Us he made the en0er and demands;
tne Erie Railway had, IN his opinion, no need for
the stock; witness was once to Mr.. Vanderblt'g
with Mr.. Gould after the Belmont suits had been
commenced: Mr. Gould told the Commodore he
those suits, that he mad loaded this stock on them
and mad sold stock; ne denied he was In It, say
surprised next morning TO see Mr. o,conor 81 appear
In IT; when witness was at Pierreponts house he
saw the cashier OF the company came in with the
check book under his arm.
Cross-examined by Mr. Dav1s:-
q. VINO went with you to Mr.. yanderbilt's at the
Q. Al what time was that A. Eleven O'Clock.
2 What dayf A. don't know.
q What month"; A. Can't tell
O. WHAT yearS A. 1868, should say.
z. Are you sure? A. Not without reference
Q. You took carpet bag9 A. Yes, Sir.
q. Containing wnats A. Fifty Thousand shares.
q. by whom made outs A. Everybody. Laugh
Q. Everybodyi A. The names Of almost every
body.
9; Where da you get fnems A. They were given
q Whose cer,lacates were theys A. Idon't know.
sir, Haughter)
Gates belongedf A. have o supp0stI0n.
z. asked II you hao any knowledge? A. No, sir.
QUIZ a. SMITH e Could sar es seass @
and Jay Cooke Co.: d0n't remember any others.
Y. Can you give us their datess A. Tney were all
the issue of 9th Of March, 1865; he first saw those
certificates hall hour before he took them up ne
did not know what was done with them; he was
troer was TO audit all the Dllls director TO cOn
duct the affairs OF the company-honestiy- y-tlaugh-
ter) he has not the means Of knowing what stock
the corporation owned; 1t has been The owner or
large amounts OF stock-of $4,000 shares at one
tlme
derDnt.
q. Has the Erie Railroad Company been the owner
OF any amount OF other stOckY A. ! don't know.
q. Has the corporation been accustomed from time
to time to issue STOCK for the purpose or Its business
Objected to and ruled out.
q. Have you in your ofiical capacity any connec-
tion with the issuing OF stocka A. No, Sir.
z. Except as director when ordered by the
Q. In that capacity you have had some connection
with the issuing OF stocks A. Yes, Sir.
z. When you reached Commodore Vanderbllt's,
tell us what occurred. A. have told alreaoy.
u Tel lis AGAIN. A. Rang the door bell and went
man came down ana said, ''Good morning, Com
modore. / have come to tender you ffty thousand
shares OF Erie Halfway STOCK winch they bought at
seventy cents, to ask you to pay two and haf MIL
lions. wish you to tale back this STOCK ana give
back the securities and the money" He he mad
TAD no transactions with the Erie Railroad CON-
pany, and wOuid have to consult his counsel. told
him came to demand million dollars paid him for
losses he purported to have sustained. He said he
had nothing TO do with It, and bid him good mOru-
Ing.
Q. Tell all after you had received the certificates
A 4 nal Mr. unr into a nor
and held them between my legs (laugnter) know.
Ing thai they were valuable uaughler.) took good
fellow ana could not be relied upon In a pugilistlc
point OF view II we were attacked. Great laugtl-
ler) We concurred in the opinion that 1t was dan
gerOuG property TO travel with, because 1t might
blow up. (4aughEer) l look it back and gave 1t TO
Mr. Gould. Tnis occurred from between eleven anu
Q. who was present when you received the certif-
Gates from Mr.. GOudY A. Mr. Shear:nan, but don't
remember whether he was present when 1 handed
them back.
WHEN FISK TURNED UP IN NEW YORK.
@. When did you come to this city TO liver A. The
latter part OF 1864.
q. Do you reside here now7 A. Yes sir.
q. How long have you permanently resided heres
A. Snce last snrng ceased ot to reside IN Boston at
streeI, and the house In Boston is No. "a Chester
square: my family reside In Boston.
HOW THE ROYAL BLONDE BECAME GRAY.
q. When did you go into the direction OF the Erie
COmpanyf A. On the 18th OF October 1867.
Y. You remember that day9 A. do well; 1t was
an episode In my lie.
Q. How Is THAR A. had no gray hairs at that
time. U.augnter.)
q. You date your gray hairs from that period? A.
Yes, sir; 1t was enough to make them gray, more
robpery being perpetrated than ever 1 saw before
Uaughter.)
.. Then you saw its A. didn't see IT, but knew
of its gong ON. The witness then gave the list Of
directors and officers OF The company at that first
election; tncy had treasurer III the morning. but
they had Mr.. Drew In the afternoon, a lew minutes
later; IL was set up joo aad dida't lake longs In
July some Of The directors got dsgusted and went
out. the 50th OF July Mr.. Gould was elected
President IN place OF Mr. Eldrldge; witness could
not remember that changes were made IN the offi-
GERS IN July. Witness also explained tnat he owed
an apology to The Court, as ne was not accustomed
to being examined, and II ne said an thing wrong IL
was IN ignorance and he hoped he would be stopped,
for he did not know how soon he might be imposed
upon. tLaughterl
MIR. Beach-Your counsel VIII take care OF YOU
Nitness-He'll look out for me. tLaughter.) I'm
on oath and l ATM perfectly willing TO be stopped
when necessary.
Mr.. Davls-You seem TO be q frank and out
spoken witness. tLaughter.)
Witness unnocentlyl-I have never been but twice
on the stand ~ my lie.
Mr.. Davls-And when was that. Mr. Flsk2
Wtness-I think once before In q case and
that was In the country. tLaugnter Witness also
stated that when he went To Nanderbllts nOuse on.
one OF the occasions there was nobody with him but
Gould and the driver or the carriage, who renamed
on the box he saw nobody az the COmmOdOres
house except the servant; she came down and de-
sired him to go into the parl0r over the reception
room; he saw the Commodore III the back room,
haI not been In Jersey City that day but history
would tell him long before; this the first inter-
view he had with the Commodore; he was sitting on
the side of the bed, with one shoe OF.
q. You found him sIipsh0d' A. Yes sir.
Judge Barnard-Weli, you had better leave him In
that position until morning. Q.aughter.)
It being now three O'Clock the court adjourned till
this morning.