The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1870-09-28
RETURN OF JUDGE M'CUNN.
THE CONDITION OF IRELAND AND
THE IRISH PEOPLE.
The A..auI. upon the Di.,lnsul.hed Juri.t-

THE IRISH PEOPLE
The Assault upon the Distinguished Jurist-
| Interesting sketches Of Travei-A Merry
Ships 'sCompany-Tbev Voyage ofthe Scotia.
The Scotia, which arrived at this port yester-
| day, brought two hundred and twenty-five psssen-
gers, including merchants, divines, scholars, and
juriss OF this country several representatives OF
the British arisociacy; Italians OF rank, and Jews
OF enterprise Spaniards seeking pleasure, and Ger
| mans and Frenchmen evading military service In
their countries besides q number OF ladies' noted
for their high social character and emineny pleas
| ing and graceful manners.
| Among the passengers wss
| rus HON. JOHN N. HcUss, OF THE SUPERIOR COURT
OF this city, who Ia Just returning from . three
months sojouru In Ireland. his native country The
Judge back with fully recruited health. look
ing as II he could grapple with the most intricate
| and knotty questions known to our peculiar prac-
tice. The Judge and his estlmablo lady reached
their residence in West Twenty.f-st street at Q
| o'clock last evening. Half hour snerwsrd be
was waited upon BY one oil the professional inter.
viewers Of THE SUN.
The interviewer was received in
THE JuDos's LIBRARY
| on the second floor OF his elegant residence, an
apartment aboundinR in evidences OF literary and
artistic culture and refined taste. The walls OF the
| apartment were covered with oil paintings, prints,
steel epgravings, and photographs, embracing por.
traits OF Charles o'Conor, James Fisk, Jr.. nor.
ace Greeley, Mayor o'Hail. Lord Palmerston, the
renowned Gsrrick between tragedy and comedy,
Peter b. sweeny, Lord Bacon, Oliver Cromwell,
Lord BrouVham, VIM. NJ. Tweed, Lord Castereash.
and host Of other celebrities Of all stations In ns
| Extensive ranges Of shelves, rising one above an
other were crowded with books OF the most select
and valuable character. while the floor were huge
piles, the contents of boxes lust opened, including
full set OF the Edinburgh Reviep in elegant binding
| and The Lives OF the Chief Justices OF Enrald,"
and OF he,Chancellors OF the country-lll pur.
| chases during his recent visit Besides these were
| maps. globes, aud desk strewn with manuscripts |;
| all betokening the abode OF a scholar.
The Judge was prompt In responding 10 the card
Of his visitor whom he received with most cordial
shake OF the hand and hearty welcome. placing him
at once at his ease. The interviewer exchanged the
| ordinary commonplace remarks, and then proceeded
| TO business, substantially as follows;
| BREAKIsa ICE.
| Reporter-Judps McCunn. have called 70 gather
| some OF your experiences aud observations whilo
| abroad. for the benefit OF tie numerous readers OF
| uE SUN, including thousands OF your personal
rionds IN tuis el.,' wno nave an,eioasea your re-
| Juoge McCunn-I can hardly say 1 have been
| abroad; l have only been to Ireland and that We
perienee relates entirely to ireland. But as large
| proportion OF the Inhabitants OF this city come
| originally from that part OF the worlo, It mieht iu
terest your readers to know the condition and pros.
| poets OF that country.
Reportef-lt is precisely that which 1 desire to
| learn. How long ~ere you In lrelandt
| Judge-Ne,rty three months, travelling,
FROM TUE cAusKwAr TO kiSsALs,
trsverstnE the island zig throughout its extent,
stopping occasionally at the enchanting spots, onl,
10 De found within the limits OF lite charmed circle.
| Reporter-You have many friends In lrelandt
Jrdge-ob, yes. An my ki,h and kin are there.
| attached 10 one OF Its most ancient mouasteries,
| lie the ashes Of my
ANCESTORS FOR THOUSAND rEARs.
I have not only travelled for the purpose Of Sec
1Scs Ss SoanS "a my su%Ss Ssy sss. is this
living age the stalwart youth OF the island, " ith
say must be done hut apart 0SSe' o% ali tsS @
an not believer In the old adage, that I" prophet
smUns ss oSn q.
| believe that the people Of q country whore man
Was born are the nrstto 90 him honor when he shows
| decline OF mans years the old heartnstone and
tue hsunts OF his youth are the spots where alone
| he can die happy.
Reporter-now do you nnd
rnE GENERAL CONDITION or rnE PEOPLE or IRE.
| LAND
compared with their condition when you le, Ire
| andt
Judre-I found them very decidedly improved ;
| improved In every way, physically aud mentally
and. what is more, found tie efete aristocrscy
| allowing their estates 10 sup OUT OF their hands
through Incidence and mismanagement, while the
| enterprising portion OF the community. through
their industry and skill are acquiring Possession OF
them. II is very true that the laws OF fprmogeniture
| set that perseverance, which has kepi the Irish
people together tor the last seven hundred years as
the efiec, Of those laws SbiSi' were passed 70 o.
| uorc enterprisins English statesmen--men like
| Brght-are beginning TO SEQ that
| ruE REAL AND ONLY REMEDY roR IRxLAsp
is to bring her land into the market like any othes
commodity
| TO the working classes OF lrelandf
Judge-Pariiails they apply to them. nnd that the
middle classes, when they are well 70 do. reflect
and share their wealth with the poorer classes,
Moreover, labor is getting very through
the vast drain OF emigration. Con seQuently the
habits OF the poor Iheygeneray acquire little means
and start some little business OF their This
almost unknown hirtI'hve years ago. when LETT
Rcporier-HOw does the recent land bill Affect
JSdge-wen. I think 1t is very small modcum.
any way, tStill ils the entering of the sharp enc
OF the wedge lts tie acknowledgment o, great
years Of wrong aud oppression TO poor Ireland. To
be short with you, think
| IT's GOOD DE0ISsIN0.
Reporter-How did the Irish take ~
Judge-Wilh divit mar thank you-with that
| and more TOO. And when they make that rcmSrK
Trey make 1t with rol ueish tw inLe In their eye
with seekt est and clenched eeth at the sam1 time
| looking mischief.
Rcporier-What do they say about the church bill
| Judgef
Judgc-Wen they are very thankful tr IT, "To
tel yes the truth, judge some OF th5m said to me
"Wo'ro thankful to Goa for II, / said, "why not Il
Gladstone - and theJ answered:
| SONNY 1T.
Twas Gods own justice. My own experienc,
led me TO believe that the Church bill had done 4
great deal OF guou, and was Qnly BEGINNING The
great work II had 10 accomplish. IL lad removed
the baaGe OF inierioity from the lrish-the mos
calling Of all badges TO such keen and sensitive
nature. OF course II had given dissatisfaction Il
the other sice OF the house In few lite towns IL
the NOr,h OF Irellnl, and rs you must hhv6 keer
IRON the public prints, they are showing thciI
ehagrin in
EBuLLirioSs OF Dad TEMPER.
| But this must soon die out, hs large majority o
tre people IN the large towns Of the North arc be
coming clielly Catholic,
| EepOrter-By tho way, Judge, yo1 must have had
some experience Of the temper OF these Northern
| people Il all accounts are true
Judge-On, yes. Two most respectable gentle
| men and myself had the last ding OF the contempt
ible rAbble That was
| cowARDLY HATTER,
committed on those most inoGensiye gentlemen al
| most at nidni7ht when theJ had no means Of de-
| Tending themselves
| ReDOrter-We heard something OF that afiair In
this country, and your friends naturally ANXIOUS
to learn tue particulars OF 1t. Do you mind giving
! me them, Judgef
Judge-Not at all. The details are few. and can