New-York tribune., 1870-08-05
man with the hat in his hand point

In tho morning and l saw him, think, wednesday
he coming down as IL from his seepingroom; saw
him one morning about % o'clock
O. Did this Mr. Holt that called upon You In the house,
from you anything about the habits of the inmates
the house A. No, SIR said nothing about any OF the
A. How late did you remain there Thursday night :
A. About ten minutes to G. .
O. How did you go out Of the housef A. Through the
basement ,r,., -,
long did you remain therei A. About one Innute was
looking for the hammer - -
O. Do you know whether the door between the sleep
| open; never them closed. .
room that afternoon3 A. Yes Sir; when was passing
through from TO 5, saw two or three mattresses or
were ke drawn round il had fallen of the other.
Q. The last time you saw that room were the mat
O. Were there any sheets over themi A. Yes, Sir
q. Was the bed snoOthf A. Yes Sir. .
q Were you in that house the next day A. Yes, Sir
O. At what houri A. At 8 O'Clock in the morning,
@ At that time had the body of Mr.. Nathan been re-
O. II was wing on the floor was iti A. Yes Sir.
O. Did you notice the appearance Of the bed at that
tei A. No. Sir; just saw as If the sheet was thrown
G. Did you notice any different appearance from @ that
the bed had when you saw 1t the day beforef A 1es
O. The bed was mussed upi A. No, Sir; not much;
Mr. Russell-Q During the three years you nave peen
in this country have you been all the time in Newforkf
A. Yes, Sir. ,
O..
No, sir il is three years have been carpenter have
been in New York little over three years
@ What other employment have you been IN ! a.
was a clerk when first came here.
O. How old are you A. Twentythree.
8 Have You any relations here A. have sister
q You are boarding with your sister, are yoni A. Yes
@ Is that the only relative you have here A. have
O. You spoke Of having worked three different
sons Mr. Nathan's house; the last time before this
was when 2 A. About five months ago. -
q A. "a
O. When You were employed five months ago, how long
were You employed then A. -Four days.
@ During that time did anybody make any calsl A.
No. Sir; unless ii was the boss.
O. The last time you there, were any other per-
sons employed beside you and MI. Smith A. mason's
O. DO You know their names Z A. No, Sir.
q Are they present. A. They are both here now; ;o,
person employed there A. No, Sir don't believe there
was; didn't see any body
O. Were there any plumbers there3 A. No, Sir.
q You four persons were the only persons at work at
q Were the mason and his assistant at work all the
four days as well you and Mr. Smiths A. the
son and laborer on Thursday in the house.
No SIR 1saw two men in the yard about some aggng;
O. Do you know whether they were the same ones
O. You spoke of Mr.. Knights seeing you in the celari
O. what hour in the dayi A. 1Ol II O'Clock in the
O. What is his full name and residencel A. Alfred
Knight; he lives in Atlantcaye., IN Brooklyn;
Q. Between you and himl A. Yes, Sir; about specu-
@ Some speculation in which yOu were interested
q Did he go into any other part of the building than
O. Was he ever in that house before to your knowl-
g. Did anybody else visit you at that place during
those four days A. No, sir.
@. YOu are quite sure Z A. Quite sure.
Pd you see S6 6ai sT Ta' w5e ng w M eqe S'
am r..
Did you see any person visiting o or taking WIN yes te
O. Beside him did You anybodyi A. No. Sir;
O. Beside Mr.. Knight do you mean that there was
other person that visited any person there! A. No, Sir
O. How frequently did you young Kellyi A. saw
O. on Friday morning did you young Kelly there
| A. No Sir; saw Mrs. Kelly .,
| A. No. Sir; finished the job the night before .
O. How came you 10 go there the next mOInlngf A.
The detective came after us. ,,
O. How long did You remain there then A. think
an fhonT or an hour and quarter.
O. During the foslr days you there the base
ment door open or a. sda II WAS 0 OPeh an
Mr. Russel-ad you any occasion to 90 to the rear of
Foreman-Dd you hear any one mention that Mr..
Nathan coming on Thursday afternoon to sleep IN
the house. A. Mrs Kelly told me in the presence OF
Smith that he was coming. .
O. Have You at any time talked to any person about
this house. or the presence of the safe in the office A.
smith spoke once about ITS price, Dut hd no cohVers-
|
O. You have knowledge of the construction OF the
O. Isit yoar opinion that if person in the stest hour
Of he night called person in the top of the house.
from the room in which Mr. Nathan slept he could fail To
hear himi A. don't believe ne could nave heafu nii
except he followed at he top Of his voice. ,o,.o
O. You have understood where the different inmates
O. Assuming that Mrs Kelly occupied the back room,
Mr.. Frederick Nathan the room over the office that
floor and young Kelly occupied the room above
Washington, that the Nahans (senio room was opened
/ W. "A
do YOU think that extraordinary noise III MI;
Nathans room would necessarily have been heard by all
or anv of the persons in the house A. IL would have
been hard think, the floor, but above 1t would
O. Have Won noticed what doors there in the pas
sage, or between MIR Nathan's room and the house,
Keepcrsl A. No, Sir, have not examined them; l
think there three doors.
Mr. Russell-You remember when the caulkers we're
| euulOyed there two ago A. Yes.
O. When you worked there six months ago was there
any worked there with yOut y. George Holt worked
O. Duling the time the caulkers worked there had they
anv visitors A. / saw one there once.
O. DO YOU know whether they had anything like
" dog" with theni A. No. ,, .
never saw an implement like that; have frequently
entered that house without knocking; could open the
Foreman-Y6u and smith, when you finished your Job
that Tuesday afternoon-what time was iti A: About
545 we passed through the basement closing the
gate after us; but don't know If We closed the door
o You had occasion to 20 through the house a good
O. DO You think up TO the time you left the house II any
one was concealed there you could have failed to see
O. In basement how could person conceal himself
/ don't think any could conceal themselves except
seen y the inmates of the house there were several
In the house which person could be concealed IN
don't know if of them were open or not. .
O. Did you notice the wardrobe III the passage leading
TO the bathroomi No Sir.
O. DO you think there any facilities on the upper
floors for the conceament Of any one A NO SIR except
in the closets . A..
O. Could You say if it not possible for man to
conceal himself before YOU left A. could not say.
TESTIMONY OF W. p. SMITH.
William F. Smith, carpenter, who resides at No. 256