The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-08-15


Wcigher.
Before Commissioner Osborn.
The examination OF Percy B. spear accused OF de-
fraudng the government by the presentation OF false
pay rolls, was continued yesterday afternoon. The
following evidence was taken in the easel
James Carle recalled, testihed-I think the con-
yersaton in regard TO Spears appointment was
about the middle or April; he said that he had been
appointed welgner In the Custom House ana that |
might be his foreman 4 chose: that he would make
my pay equal TO his own and that might perhaps
make more than that; he SAID there was money 10
be made out OF his position; that he intended
had lost in politics since the war; some 81 000
he said il going 10 oe ms foreman should not
be too CONSCIENTIOUS that money was 10 oe made
out of his position, that II was worth not less than
900 a year; by conversation with parties familiar
with the oflice OF weigher became satisfied there
OF weIcher and declined IL; he SAID that the oath OF
once did not amount 10 anything, tina; every man
VINO TOOK that oath Violated IT, ana mat ne would
not let the oath stand III the way OF his MAKING
money; this conversation took place after Spea's
appointment.
Gross eXamination-When first had this CONVEX
sation Thought ] would accept; when | became
satisfied that he had no honest way OF paying me
81, 500 declined the offer; did not accept or NIL the
ONCE for two three days; dld not refuse because
another man was TO take nv place; my understand
ing with Spear was that was 10 be about the Office
ana look over the books until became familiar with
the business and l would then snpersede
ms foreman, Mr. Cooper; ! went 10 the
Office one day ana part OF another; on the
beginning of the second day Spear requested me 10
80 with MIN to the piers Went with him, and then
was when the most oil our conversation occurred
about what my position would be as his foreman; |
returned and went into his office; while there, and
directly after entered, a Mr.. Shpman came in ana
inquired II Coone Spear was present. he was inform
ed that he was not; recognized Captain Shipman
as one had known formerly made M sell known 10
him: he told me his business and stated that ne had
letter from Mr.. Cornell surveyor OF the Port, re-
questing hun 10 report To Colonel spear, and that he
believed that lie was TO be assigned MS foreman;
1 told the Captain that Colonel Spear was probably
al the Custom House; on that same DAY | made
statement OF my relations with Spear directed to
friend OF mine In Washington, which | intended at
the time for publication, setting forth the manner III
which he had treated and deceived me: afterwards
sent il Collector OF the Port: after saw Mr..
Shpman l LETT Spear In disgust and never went
near him again.
Re-direct-It was after / had examined Spears
books that Declined the onice of foreman.
TO the COMMISSIONER had made up my mind
after my return rom me pier before saw Captain
Shipman that would not accept tne position.
Henry W: Shipman called Tor tne defence, testi-
hed-hf. Hunt, assistant foreman, under the
direction OF Mr.. spear, EMPLOYED the men;
As a Iule paid the men; don't know
who made up the pay roll; | don't know
who kept the ume; | was foreman. ana in
the absence OF Mr. Spear tooS charge: never
saw Captain Spear keep the time OF the men;
don't know VINO TOOK tue rolls To Colonel Spear
hls signature; signed all the rolls in blank sup
posing that TO be the custom: Colonel Spear gave
Inc the money 10 pay the men: when | told earle
that expected an appointment lie said 1t was all
b0sh-that spear would not appoint me; that Spear
had been promising MN (Carel appointment for
several weeks he said good deal against Colonel
here; Colonel spear never said a word to me about
his oath OF Offices think Colonel Spear said there
were legitimate perqulsites, and II ! stayed
with hm might have shares |
have never learned what they were, and have never
any Of them yet; Colonel Spear never instructed
me IN any way 10 make money improperly in this
Office, lnsinuated that could; don't know that
any OF the amounts on the pay rolls went to Colonel
Spear
CToss-eXamination-I paid the men according 10
memorandum given me by Colonel Spear
Adjourned to Thursday, at ten O'Clock.
The Alleged Custom House Weieher's Frauds.
Before Commissioner Shields.
The United States rs. Efu3lk We6b-Defendanl
was the foreman OF General Eagan, the Custom
House Wegher. Webb was arrested about one
O'Clock, by United States Deputy Marshal Crowley
at gambling saloon at No. 7l2 Eighth avenue He
broke away from the officer but after three shots
had been fired at him by Crowley he was again re
captured. party oil gamblers soon after made
their appearance and threatended "a rescue Bu
they were soon brought to terms by the officer IL
charge Of the prisoner. The charge against Webb Il
that OF aiding In making out the fraudulent paw roll
which 1t is alleged were presented by General Eagar
10 the custom House for payment Webb was brought
before Commissioner Shields yesterday morning and
held for examination on Tuesday next IN default o
OF $1,000 bail
Alleged Perjury.
The UHited States Us. Motthe,o Richatd.- Prisoner
was arrested on a charge OF committing perjury in
having sworn, at the time of going surety on to-
bacc0 bond that he a surety other bond
1t afterwards appeared that lie was a surety on
three other bonds on file in the office Of the District
Attorney. When the prisoner was brought before
the commissioner he stated that 1t was year ago
more that he signed the other bonds and that he
supposed they were no longer valid. Richard was
held 10 bail In the OF 81 900 and his eXamina-
ton was set down for Monday next