The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-04-24

soemnly swear that there no fraud or coiiusion
In any way between you and Mumler In any OF these
| performancesS A. Yes l can; on another occasion
picture was taken ut the suggestion OF Mumer,
down. %ys Maner removed the cloth ana walked
away from t and told me 10 take the plate into the
dark room aud develop II; did SO, and spirit
| form came on the plate; was not spirltuallst az
Gioss.examned by MIR: Geary-Q. You did not be-
| come u convert 10 spiritualsm, Notwithstanding
| these so-called spirit pcturesS A. No.
q. You do not believe altogether in the existence
of spiritss A Well only in these pictures; believe
| in these spirit pictures certainly.
Q. You believe the impressions produced are I'M
produced by spirits by supernatural meanss
Q. You swear to that distinctly A: Yes; be-
lleve that to be the case; know Mrs. Mumler; she
| was occupied IN the reception room.
q DID she not generally come up stairs and In.
form you that there were persons waiting down
stalrsf A. sometimes she would come up stairs ana
sometimes she would come TO the and tell us;
Mr. Muniler generally went to see her when She
Q. After you had used picture and taken or the
impression then you were In the habit OF cleaning 1t
in the habit Of cleaning on the glass before we used
It again; no new glass was purchased during the
TESTIMONY OF MRS. LuTHERIA G. REEVES
Examined by Mr. Townsend-I reside at 699
Washington street; know Mr. Mumer; saw him az
Z. Under what circumstances did you seen him
A. Mr.. Charles yelling, nephew OF mine from
Vermont, went to him to investigate this matter,
and went with him; was present when ne SAL;
the effect on him was very great; boy OF mine,
q was it recognized by you at the timer A. 1t
for myself ABOUT the sth OF March OF the present
year; 1t was about the middle OF January had gone
Q. What result was obtained at your stting' A.
wS sss AZ s % a naye een sov
was nearly eleven when he died.
O. Was there any picture OF your boy in existence
at The time he passed awaya A. There had not been
one taken for about year and half or two years.
he was very Ill he had not passed away quite year
| before went to Numbers
q. Was the picture you received as representing
him upon the glass at the time OF the sitting with
Mr.. Number picture Of HIM during health or at the
| time he passed away9 A. He showed himself to me
| as he looked in health and IN the picture OF my
| nephew as he looked at the time he died.
z. They were distinct IN appearailceY a. yes, SIR
Judge Dowiing-Have you got those cardss
Witness-l believe have.
Direct resumed-(rne photograph marked exhibit
No. l6 here Identified by the witness and put IN
evdence.)
| that gallery? A. There were a great many people
| when we first went in the room; tine arrangement
| was made with Mrs. Mumler; think my nephew
paid hers first saw and cOnversed with Mrs. Mumler;
| she was the one waiting on these matters; did not
state to her what went there for; my nephew said
| he wanted sitting; she entered his name on the
book and ne went up stairs; received no ticket;
can't say that he received one in my presence; Mrs.
Mumler was present at the time was In the opera
ton room; she came up and held her hand on the
camera; Mr.. Mumler came out OF side room and
and prepared Tor the sitting; there was one else
| there's the sitting was had IN few minutes.
l o.
have an opportunity OF looking at the nesatlveY
A. He came out IN few minutes anu showed the
negative; noticed no difference between the taking
| ol pictures at Numbers and other establishments
except her putting the hand on the camera
Cross-examined by Mr.. Geary-wherea on
| the camera did Mira. Mumler put her haho! a.
Q. Did she stand looking at your A. No, she
stood looking at the floor; remember this because
| distinctly heard raps upon the floor.
q. You looked down to see where the raps were ?
| A. Well, was rather curious, suppose.
| O. How many rapS did hearf A. / did not
count them.
Q. Did they come in rapid succession A. do not
J Q. Did they come slowlyG A. could not tell; I
heard them distinctly; my nephew was sitting at
the time for his picture.
q. Is your nephew believer in spiritsS A. can't
answer for that.
O. Do you believe that dlsembodled spirits return
to eartn to revisit their relativess A. No, think
that Is impossibe but 1t may be SO, as long as re-
cognize these pictures
Q. Were these pictures the means Of converting
V9 Had YOU Previously Entertained that beieis
No; 1t was something could not understand
ana the Ws Soa k thought it was super
Q. IL never occurred you that this might be pro
d duced BY mechanical meanss A. Yes.
e Q. When did that occur TO your A. Well, dom
: o. Did the raps make you feel that 1t was not pro
l duced by mechanical meansY A. Yes.
q q. How long did these raps continuef A. Som'
!, seconds.
5 with the platep A. No; they were both standing
the camera; Mrs. Mumer was standing at the othel
side Mr. Mumler had his hand ON the camera during
) the whole time; / have no photograph OF my de-
, ceased child that has been taken recently.
8. Is not that the photograph Of girl-that 90
1t would be hard for me to decide; think it is boy
Q. Did you ever examine this spiritual pic tuie
j with microscope or with a masnliying glassf A
. No; examined It with stereoscope.
: as you call 1t, Is that Of boyf A. am satsne'
|
this picture two pictures shown wiTuess that repre-
sented the disease OF the spinner A. This picture; til
a Q. How did your picture differ from this, A
Il Well, 1t was younger child.
n Q. Then It was not the same formS A. Yes, bu
taken in q different position.
3 Q. Was 1t the same face as that in the other pic
turer "a. 4: IL was not that face, because chang
y Q. Then it was altogether a different formS A
q q. 1t was altogether q different ncureq A. Yes.
!; Q. Was it dressed in the same mannerS A. 1t ha,
Is a shadowy appearance around the head and aroun
e graphs were here shown witness. from which sh
singled out that marked exhibit No. IA, and said
I Q. be kind enough to look ct picture exhibit Ma
H. and say whether the head In that picture Is no
similar to the one which you saw A. can't ex
r who Is the one behind him: that l suppose to be
picture OF my eldest sister, whom l have not seel
b. | Tor twenty or thirty years.
q. You do not recognize 1t as such9 A. No.
; q DO understand you to say that this spirit pic
| ture IN your nepneW'5 breast IL the picture of th
same boyY A. No; It Is not the same picture In an,
way; II appeared on my breast this is-the same
Q | picture OF my boy
@ Where In that picture was there any evidences
: OF spinal dsarrangementS A. Well, the disease did
Il not exist at the time.
Re-direct-Q. Is there any question in your mind, a.
; the mother OF that child 10 that picture being the
picture Of your child ana taken when your nephew
| was present A. No, not at all.
e Y. have any pictures been presented to YOU by
the counsel on the other side which resemble ina,
u boyf A. No, not one; paid five dollars FOR INV
IL pIcture my nephew the 1rst time paid ten dollars
| TESTIMONY OF SAMUEL II. FASsUAw
u Examined by Mr.. Townsend-I reside In Norri
II tom am an artist IN poriraiture. - N1P"
4. " are you az all familiar with the process O,
photography a. have been more or less for three