The daily dispatch. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1884, 1869-10-26
LOCAL MATTERS.
THE TOBACCO-STAMP FRAUDS.
BEACH STILL ON THE STAND.
SEARCHING cRoss-ExAsnNATIoN.

I
SEARCHING DISCRIMINATION.
The investigation of the charges against
F. A. Hoppe was resumed by United States
Commissioner Chahoon yesterday. Mr.
Bannasch was present, having at late hour
| on Saturday night succeeded in giving bail
in the sum of $4,000, with B. W. Joyner
and A. w. Taylor. as his securities.
TIE DETECTIVE CRoss-ExAMINED.
Detective Beach again took the stand, and
underwent searching cross-eXaminatlon
| by the counsel for the defence. In response
| to questions by Mr. Jenkins, he said: :,
I did not find Mr.. Hoppe. particularly
sharp, nor was he so ignorant. He had a
| good knowledge Of !how,at the Government
was swindled. / had reason to suspicion
| that they had been using counterfeit stamps.
I had been directed by the Supervisor to
Hook after that establishment, and | sus-
picioned the firm: Of course could not
| tell which of them were affixing the stamps
to the boxes. The directions applied TO
inumber of factories here In town, but to that
Zone particularly. had heard OF Mr.. Ban
| nasch in New York, and the business went
on in his name did not find Mr.. Hoppe an
ignorant Dutchmanr He knew well enough
ihow the Government was swindled. can
not exactly say what made me suspicion
| him. paid Mr.. Roche in good United states
money. I did show Bannasch and Hoppe
tcounterfeit money. I said thatal had made
arrangements for counterfeit stamps, but
had failed to get them. have been de-
tective off and on for twenty years. was
not q detective when T lived in Richmond.
left here in 1851. At the interview with
Roche he asked me if I had done any busi-
ness with Stone. told him was afraid OF
him. meant to give Roche and Bannasch
the impression that I was very guarded In
this matter. Mr.. Stone has been suspected
for long time-long before came to Rich
mond. Roche said / did well in steer
ing clear of Stone, and then told me
about that New, York business. His
| self were i'm New York after these stamps
we had $4,000. which had been furnished
from Richmond. Stone, came one day and
said he was ready to make purchase of the
stamps. 4 (RocheG said YOU can't play 1t IN
that way. Then. lhe detectiye) said, - Is
Stone on that ?''" Roche replied, "Yes, the
id s-n of b-h tried to beat us out of the
! S., ,0O0" AS understood it, the three went
together to get the stamps. They had the
money and Stone the brains. Stone found
where the stamps were, and was to 20 and
get them. I made. up my mind When l
went to that house that would either gel
the stamps or have them garrote me OF my
money. 1 found them more gentlemanly,
than I expected. / have no recollection of
telling Roche that thought he would play
the empty paper-package on me. | arrived
at Bannascf's house at twenty minutes to
| 3. Fifteen minutes after, Roche appeared.
I'VE were negotiating half an hour. Roche
was gone an hour after the stamps. "@'~
NOT MUCH MORALITY = zsasrs'E .
didn't think 1nuchiabout the oath that
we took, and didn't know nor care whether
it was Bible or not that we We're swearing g
on. Didn't much think it was My mind
and nv eve were on Roche. Do not regard
myself as legally or morally bound by such
an oath. Don't think-there is much mo-
rality about these ma matters. rs. Il Ur r-7a;T 7,
THE TOBACCO CONTRACT.
cannot recall anything particular that
made me think Hoppe had BEEN swindling
the Government. Twenty-siX and half cents
was fair price for the tobacco without the
stamus. One morning we went to Rockets
together when he was making shipment OF
tobacco. and he started into give me some
advice. / checked him up. I wanted to
lead him to think that was proficient IN
the tobacco business I can't remember
ANYTHING he said that would show that ne
was up to .swihdling the Government.
When [ put the stamp question to Hoppe,
I was not pur chasing tobacco for anyproper
purpose. He did not handle any OF these
stamps to mydkn0wledge. Through all the
time Hopes actions convinced me that has
only desire was to find sale for his tobacco.
4 PRIVATE ExhMINkTIoN ASKED. -.
Here the counterfeit stamps were again
produced. Mr.. jenkins arose, and address
| Ing. the Commissioner, stated that on Satur-
day he had been Informed by the officers OF
! the Government that it would be unWlse 10
publicly disclose in what way these stamps
differed from genuine. He asked, thai the
witness be examined privately, in order 70
test his information upon this subject.
The. Commissioner thotlghtt Lnes delencce cs
entitled to this privilege. .s.,ife,t., s,gy.,
After further, conversation VITA an oni-- l-
Ger of the Government, Mr.. Jenkins con.
cluded, for the present, to waive his llgnt
and proceed with the examination. pzas
od THE DETECTIVES PAST LIFE. @ai'haz
Mr.. Bundy then questioned the detective.
| Witness said in reply: Twas IN the store OF
Wilcox s. Belts when T lived in Richmond,
| and l worked up there q case Of robbery and a
Kent. Paine &Kent. I never knew . man
named Beach in their employ-was not &c
| Quainted with the firm. Did not know that
\ their store was ever hlirnt, NeEer knew OF
burglary in their store, - =. 40 ,sl1...,
l HIS views OF NoRALITY,.yi .,oa u
To Mr.. Johna:fI beHeYeyin Godiand IN
4 future state.ogI, ,donot think such an oath
as took bindings: / consider 2anI oafhgad-
I ministered by 1.-The proper officers binding.
[ knew that these men had stamps. and
! knew that they Wereseither :stolen or ,epun-
terfeit. In either case it was my duty to get
4 them. II never designed using them myself.
\ do not think violating; the revenue, rs as
! bad as murder, buGiI dOthink fis'as- -badas
larceny or burglary. / do natf consider an
| offence againstthe revenue as: criminalas an
offence committed against Holy Writ FFoa
QUESTIONS, ,ANswEREp AMP Sor;s :s3s9rr ,a@g5
Mr.. Johns then asked whether the detec-
tive bad any, description Of the parties ,ae-
ct1sed before he came to Richmond. The
witness declined to answer, ;, and was sus7
tanned by the Cemmisslo oneE. so,5s fnuoi 9o
I Mr.. Johns Were you on YOU. yollll way 10
AasSn Ths Mitns u this ques-
ton too, but showed what be; said was ms
commission, an d told, Major, Johns that he
could make what; inference he pleased ,lu 1t
was directed e T I'hineas &C. GJark. n Macon,
Geo." He.eontinusd \ lived here nearly
a year. did not then know Where tne. cage
was..a I am not an EXPERT at6
can tell photograph, no matter now Skill
fully executed, from g. gennlne stampAas
note. = df1aqf 9G - H. Z-L-EE Efio. tSIEl.i
iQ.eWhat is the reason you nd Enok ATTEST
Mr.. Burke? :, t.5s