The New York herald., 1869-06-22


| ing would In all probability be returned to then
before next December in exactly It's present form
through the fundamentally Of pr0r0gation and
| new session In August and the battle would ther
| have to be fought over again with t0lerably wei
assured backing down on the part OF the Lords OF
| the second Trial. II the bill should now pass its
second reading and go into committee the result o.
any vital amendment or alteration by the peer
would lead 10 disagreement on the part OF the Com
MONS conference, and the eventual triumph OF the
Lower House. Thus, In any case, the fate Of the Es
tablished Church IN Ireland appears to be sealed
and the only question Of vital interest now to
the effect which the threatened conflict this ques
ton between the Lords and Commons may have
upon other and more important institutions
In view Of the almost universally acknowledged
OF disestablshment and abandonment can only
temporarily delay, without ultimately defeating the
proposed REFORM appears singular that the present
contest should have been invited by those who alone
are IN danger OF suffering from its effects; ana the
defiant tone adopted by Lord Derby, and his gallant
lieutenant. Lord Cairns can only be accounted for
on the suppositon that they regard Mr.. Gladstones
present bill as the precursor OF other and more serl
Gus encroachments upon 'vested rights, - and deem
IL the part OF prudence to resist the first advance of
the enemy. 1t is very wei! known that the Irish
Land bill; in other words, that where the special
privileges OF Church which embraces in its faith
only an Insignificant minority q tns h people
gressive government Will seek TO remove-other and
more evils from this unfortunate island, even
at the risk OF interfering with the special privileges Of
handful of nonresident land owners 1t may well
be that such shrewd statesmen as Lords Derby and
Cairns understand the position OF the present gov
ernment better than their associates and fOresee
that the Ministry that has once entered boldly the
path of reform can know no turning back or stand
ing still, and that the demands OF people long de-
prved of their natural rights certain to increase
in proportion to their appreciation OF their own
strength Under such circumstances it may be skill
ing host and to risk an engagement In the open field
rather than to stand the danger of siege within
1t is notable fact that up to the present time the
dash and daring confined to the Lords and they
their fate. This probably arises from the feeling
that to yield now Is to give up forever all but the
mere shadow OF their old power and that hereditary
legislation may as well be abolished entirely as be
made mere bauble, like the mace carried before
the Sergeant-atArns OF the Commons On the
the issue they themselves have raised The tone Of
their several organs Is significant Of this apparently
unaccouniabe position Oft Of the hostile forces: The
OF the Church bill by the Lords In obedience to the
popular WILL after putting on record their protest
DEFIANT articles and calls on the aristocracy Of
Lords % Sar,sG IN the @ ruins ns hSS'e the S
connection between Church and State It cries. rather
the vulgar Bright and the traitor Gladstone, and Il
warns its readers that when the House OF Lords has
been got rid OF the assault OF the radicals VIII be
turned next against the throne This Ia its Of
reasoning
Nobody considered the subject can doubt that
he
cause while the latter : active and s:sn. pows, IN
sShCry s Rra, theory . belongs to H.
rade sort Of sentimental regard of the throne bu, We may
observe whou, much dissent ha, hi. affection fos
he aaIs: sf ss % SsSSn ss
him that u d0es not present formidable r barrier
the fact that as debating body 4 contains ger and more
ever hope 70 bsong; TO bo found
an
that the empty arguments or tricky disbes which often
70 shake select audience Of highly cultivated fasdious
o. s q noT IN % sn
torca good taste 70 ts power OF vetoing
elements which compose the Commons and this feeling
snsn s e1ds n to It's ~ 9
demands Let the Grown veto any measure and there
II from the radical ranks.
The tory organ neither undertakes the popular
feeling against the Peers, nor evnces any disposl
ton to bend before the storm. Those who have
evinc d disposition 10 temporlze find no sympathy
In It's columns. IL says
Tbs House Of Lords . sssaIed just BY showers Of
never disposed 70 regard with favorable feelings Every
furnish freely used a, this ihroughout
% o aDS wsp
rases the British mind Is devoted 10 consersion Of the
IS Ie ar. s .ssas ss Ssr s House ss
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Of Old political donnns and Of old creeds
unmoyed 6y rush Of the song midst Of in.
ws's ar. ss he serS % as q al
By The party which lives destruction Nothing which the
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ns M r. e &. Ss az s Ss s
adopt the hanshess tons OF they could
the p1s Of As 70. e T. rd g That
condescend 10 plead mildly with their assaans and beg
Beside this bold language the words of the Min.
isteria journals seem tame indeed. II true they
insist that the Upper House must give way, but
fashion and protest and over again against the
idea that there Is any desire to override the Peers
must be traitor In effect, II not in meaning saws
the Gladstone Telegraph, "who could desire to pro-
woke an irreconcilable conflict between the Peers
and the Commons" Even the Sdr, which goes
with John Bright m the advance OF the reform MIN
istry, is disposed TO avoid contest with the Upper
House. IL admits that the Peers slow and unwill-
ing to apprehend new political truths; that they are
exclusive and segre sate live and move and have
Their being in the deluson that they possess potcn.
tia veto legislation, and wrong and stubborn
In proportion a. the rest OF the world becomes en-
lghtened and advanced. At the same time the sid,'
object TO the 'g2pipgl pdepe9depce" Qf the Upper
House, and declares that mo change Ia the cnhbo.
siion " the House OF Lords Is necessary TO win FOR
1t the ceremonial respect OF the House OF Commons;
bat, the other hand no change In Its composition
would induce the House OF Commons TO tolerate the
stoppage OF any important measure by the PEERS"
Even now, says, there n no need OF alarm on the
part OF the Lords and II promises them that II they
will pass the Irish Church BIN with good grace the
discussion on the Life Peerages bill IN the Lower
House Will he mild and even complimentary. In the
meantime, however the Lords have taken alarm at
the opportunity which the Life Peerages bill would
afrord the Commons to haul the Upper House over
their own body. -
lie who runs may read in all this the inevitable
certainty OF conflict between the Lords and Com.
mons and Of the final abolition OF the Upper House
as at present constituted. The IRISH Church bill
does not personally AFFECT the peers and might be
passed by them without damage 10 themselves or
their order. But II must be followed by other and
more material reforms, which in proportion as
they extend the political rights and liberties OF the