New-York tribune., 1869-03-31
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tion then is not all whether Establishments good Ia
themselves good anywhere but whether win re-
gard to Ireland it necessary that the Church Establish
ment should be removed. [HearI After all, perhaps u
might be well to ask the House whether believe that
there great Irish question that meets us every s,
for the settlement OF such question: there DC sucn
quesoR IS Necessary taat tnarS s1e an iTs Irsh Snes
ton and great Irish difficulty In PROOF tha'
there was he cited Lord Serngs statements at the Con-
servative banquet at Bristol Is or l6 months ago, OF
which he said he was not sure that since Beshazzars
feast there has been any announcements more
more solemn, calculated TO disturb the
of great and joyous banquet: lLaughterl ne @ aiso
cited Lord Mayos Irish proposals last session and con-
made such powerful speech tonight hear. hear said
this Church was based upon an &C, OF and
clergy were to preach, ,iand pray, and perform tns
services of religion according to the pattern .oo Oh
the Church Of England, they could not hold their see
or liyings IN Ireland Hear hear. What is an ACT OF
Paramenti-an Act Of the English Parliament ana GOV.
ernment It is merely mode Of asserting the power
which conquest had given to England and the church
therefore, Is the Church OF conqueSt.n9t only
icav the Church OF conquest, but malntan-and
there is not member in this House who Will deny It.
that by possibility could the Church OF q sa , @
OF Protestants remain for 800 years estaDsed IN lne s
OF nation OF Catholics except by the power Wncn @
founded it-the power Of conquest Cheers n,tina nm
amazed at the honorable gentleman opposite uSpuIne
it, H. indeed, anybody will dispute IT. ana an sun noia
Of every principle Of the Protestant Reformation which
involved Ia that state of things Hear hear For II tne
Protestant Reformation did not meanthat any one OF US
might hold the opinions which belong to our conscience
and convictions surely 1t meant at any rate tnat M
IN
own mode Of Worship and therefore TO establish Prot
estant church. the state church OF small minority oI s
peope in the midst Of Catholic nation was the lnos
Violation of the principle Reformation thai
ever took place since the days OF Lutner. Iheets
The right honorable member for Notwithstanding lasi
night treated us TO little of that kind OF history which
he often introduces into his speeches The right ono
and federation like the Established Church. Judging
from his speech at Edinburgh year or two ago. his
saw that the right honorable gentleman reads different
history from any aughterl, or he makes up h
minds me OF what was said Of Voltare, that he wrote his
tory FAR better without facts than with them augnter
that side OF the House; but for real union care
nothing at all the parchment nor for the other ar
words upon t will become ilecble and forgotten But
the geographical position Of the two Islands points out %
every man that union natural between them; and
maintain against all comers that true sod andalu
eter fr pet Of them than any
possibly be. Hear, hear But It must De rea unlon,
not OF power and weakness weakness ramped on 6y
| mower Honorable gentlemen opposite who discussed
This bin in the House and out Of it, tell us that appears
@ Eenan scare and that but for certain events which
happened last year and the before the policy OF tins
bill would have been avowed by the present Prime
Minister Hear hear, from the Opposition Well u u
were true, only adds another proof to the many go
before 1t that II Is difficult with popular government ana
with party make great and essentla re-
forms unless under circumstances which forced them
absolutely upon the attention OF Parliament lhear,
| hearI We know very well-Irish gentlemen know as
well English gentlemen-that the Catholic assoeauoh
led 10 Catholic emancipation They know that the de-
thronement the BourbOns-an event which took place
in foreign but know and Know
that the desperate condition OF affairs IN the the
All know that tie famine in Ireland came an Irresistible
argument to bring about the repeal OF tne corn laws
Hear hear We kT IdaI ts a m eonsaera
ton to abolish the East india an 70 make an
20 come down 70 latter time and speak of what took
place 1867, might ask the rgns Hon ge1'en % ,E 1p
crcunsances which induced then, to give such enthns
astic support TO measure OF household aao ,h:
hear) 1t is matter which we cannot Dup taS .
it has required three years Of the suspension OF the
Habeas Corpus Act In Ireland and those 0thet
events which have happened In Ireland and in Enkahu
10 enable Parliament undertake, and believe Success
fully carry through. policy which almost eyer e 10
lightened Liberal statesman IN England Tor the last
years has hoped for, but until now has been unable y
see. Hon. gentlemen tell US that events In America
has caused this bill cannot deny that the incidence
of that disturbing element in America is one which is
the di'' government is~it may be mistake. but l
believe it is not-our theory Is tbs, that the
IN Ireland will heal much OF the discomfort OF Irshmen
everywhere Loud cheers.l There is no Irishman IN
nent OF North AmercawhO is not watching as he reads
the papers the course OF the English Parliament upon
dened to that state Of resistance when he will listen to
reason and fact he is himself feeling sofened dis
House Of Commons for the measure which we
endeayoring to carry through Hear hearj ear & Mn re-
members opposite that Fenian agitation IN Amerlca
has been fed TO considerable extent by certain sym
natives the States who really believe tha we nave
never done justice TO the native country OF the lshnan
Perhaps the first and greatest OF the Engsn ReIores
Do you think IL will be msappropaton OF the surplus
funds OF this great transaction 10 apply them 20 some
objects such as those described in the bill Don't yor
think that such charitable dealing will be better than
continuing TO maintain by these vast FUNDS three times
the number OF cergyen that DO OF the slightest use
10 the Church with which they are eOnnectedi lhear
hear We can do little IL true. We cannot re'iuno
the extinguished lamp OF we cannot make the
deaf hear; cannot make the dumb TO SPEAK IL 10
not given TO us .-,
From the thick Sim TO purge the visual raw
And on the sghteS eyebals pour the dsy'
Rns nj least we can lessen the load OF acton ana We
can MAZE life more toerable to vast numbers who suffer-
IOud cheersl Sir when look at this great measure
and can assure the House have looked at II much more
than the majority OF members because nave seen 10
grow from ine TO line, and from clause TO clause ana
have watched its growth and Its complexion MIN geS
and increasing Interest," when LOOK az tns meas
ure look at Il tending to more true ana sonu union
between ireland and Great BRIAN SEQ ~ gNihhs ihs
tranquility TO peoPie;; "a, 'augn rom ,v, tno
yan have better remedy, at least Will fairly
Sons,Ior It, Cheers. say see tranquility gwen 10
Hr people greater strength TO the realm and new luster
and new dignity added TO the Crown. Hear, hearJ l
dare claim for this bill the support OF all thoughtful and
good people within the bounds OF the British Empire
hear and cannot doubt that will be accompanied by
blessing Of the Supreme In its benecen results for
believe 10 be founded upon those principles OF justice
and OF mercy which the glorious attributes OF His
eternal reign Loud cheers -
The debate was then adjourned on motion Of Sir X.
Palmer.