The New York herald., 1869-04-27

| z. Look at exhibit No. IA OF the deienco. Wnort
must have been the position OF this plcturotif an
OF the so-caed spirits were taken on that picture
A. should say, sir, on the plate In front OF the
9. why 90 you incline to that opinions A. Be
cause there is nothing intervening between the site
o. LOOK at No. exhibited by the defence. A. Tn,
object here could be taken In tn at manner; the
| could be taken By second printing.
figure to the right OF the picture and the other b.
| second printing
cess other than this positive process which YOU hay
describeds A. veiled figure might be placed be
hnd the sitter unseen for an instant, by shadow
fo' few seconds remaining there they could be pro
duced with great facility. Being OF dinerent focus
it twoud be necessarily obscure or dim.
4ps bs tneEe msh any OF those pictures aanded to wit
Yes, SIR, any Of them might be produced. This i
called s.r David Brewster's ghost:
. Y. NOW besides this what other methods art
thereY A. IL could be produced by the usual micro
scoplc positive, such as are used in watch charms
lens in front, and placing beyond this positive lens
suflcient focus TO De about the right length to i'm
press proper sized image upon the plate.
II could be constructed inside the camera-perhaps
quarter OF an inch in diameter.
suppose inside ofthese small watch charm pho
would not that be suftclent to produce the effect
upon the sensitive plate being placed In the proper
through this powerful microscope and through the
picture It being transparent; could it be done In
n. L
Q. Would snch a picture so produced upon the
sensitive plate be distinct or indlstnct Ia fOrms A.
Q. Would it appear upon the person who was
within focus OF the glass at the times A. 1t could be
made to appear on his person.
q Could such picture as exhibit No. be 30 pro.
duced with the s0-called spirit forms A. hardly
think it could, sir.
Mr. Gerry stated that was not the picture he
meant 70 hand the witness. z. How as to exhibit
No: ls for the defences A. That could be so pro-
unrv tNN rU,c
duced in the same manner.
q. Also No. 1877 A. No.
Q. By what process. If any, could those be pro-
ducedf A. BY using glass positive, the same or q
similar one used with the plate which have de-.
scribed, and hold 1t between the negative and any
dark room for q few seconds.
z. suppose the photograph OF an ordinary person
nad been taken either 50 exhibited for the usual
inserted so as TO cover the plate could the
process which you have last mentioned be applied
from the Photographic gallery into the dark room,
putting upon the back OF the plate this positive
which yOl have mentioned so passed through the
sensitive plates A. IL could not, STR
q. Could 1t be done by Withdrawing the slide and
permitting the I'D to pass through the front OF the
z. VIII you mention any other process than you
have describeds A. BY having a double arranged
bath, front OF which would be open to LIGHT and
the placing OF the sensitive plate Immediately on
the positive OF the double bath and allowing the
passage OF light through to impress those upon the
q. such bath could easily be prepared so that
this aperture of light could be exposed covered
at pleasuref A. think so, without any difficulty.
q. Would The same figure so produced in all those
cases be distinct or indistlnctf A. They would be
indi5tinct.
z. Representing those so-called ghostsi A. Yes.
pQ z; What other other process could be resorted tor A.
Q. There Is none Of those exhibits but could be
produced IN that ways A. All could be produced by
Q. DO you know Of any mode by which a plate OF
glass after having n
the impression the photograph OF the sitter could
be carried to distances A. Yes, sir, many ways.
z. Is there any way by which, after these pic
lures by this dry plate process have been sensitzed
and preserved tnat an imperfect photograph could
be taken upon 1t which would be retained by the
plate although invisible to the eye and upon sub
sequent picture being taken upon the sensitive plate
both forms would appears A. 1t could be done very
readily.
O. BY either Of the ways have mentioned the
image could he impressed upon the plate could be
stored away and kept for reasonable periods A.
9. Could any Of these photographs shown by the
defence be taken In that wayY A. All.
q, Do you know whether this practice OF presery-
ing plates Is generally found In the Photographic
professionf A. Its existence Is a iact but it Is
practice not generally known.
q. Is 1t q French processs A. lean hardly answer
where 1t originated; 1t has been many years prac-
Q. Have you ever used those platess A. have
used them for landscapes.
z. Have you ever had the positive produced when
Repeatedly.
q. State one instances A. The most curious one
the railway train at Harlem over the high bridge,
which was photographed at the time; the subject
VAS was subsequently &C. exposed; on another view,
the centre; have repeatedly exhibited II as an in
Of views that remained and remember
II from the fact OF its being 80 odd
q. How did thus appearf A. They were both OBJ
scure. |
9. show You No. II Of these exhibits; want
refer particularly to the child against the sitters
stomach. the dark object IN the centre ? A. The |
most ready way would be by second printing.
U IL Is by the second printing this positive would
be placed directly over III A. No, the negative |
would be used in this way.
O. Have you ever seen Che defendant A. Yes. sir.
q Did either he or Mr.. Quay offer to any one
in your presence to wager $loo that he would take |
ery other than his ownf Objected to and objection
Of the people, that Mumler offered to make the bet |
that the offer was accepted, but that he declined and
refused.
q. DO you know Mr.. Mason, practical photogra-
pherS A. Yes, sir.
z. Have you ever been present when Mr.. Mason
ook some OF those so-called photographer
The witness was then crossexamined at con.
derable length by Mr.. Townsend. He said he
tudied photography as pastime, aud that he had
Explained the several methods by which the pictures
ould be taken he had described. He exhibited
our na PhoosapaS ara dspayng ~ tns s9caed spirits
he first process already mentioned Those pictures
ould be taken without the knowledge OF the sitter,
n the same manner as any feat OF juggery leger-
emain performed by slelgnt OF hand. The only |
way TO detect the trick was TO hold the hands OF the
operator, AMI then one would be certain TO know
yhere they were.
q. Could person standing in position behind
litter In room without that person being CONSCIOUS
,f his presence provided that person was conscious
and sensibef A. | should say not
q. 80 that II person was sensible ana testified |
hat this form was produced on the Photograph and
yet was not conscious OF his presence your theory
would fair Objected To.
u ask you n a sitter sitting for his photograph
In a perfectly conscious state much so a. 10 20
there as an expert TO detect fraud, and there is a
figure surrounding him with the hand upon his
head and a bouquet OF flowers in front OF him. ask
you whether tnat person could have been sitting
there without the knowledge that the form was 40
himr A. The form could not be there |
without his knowledge.
q. But II he was conscious and was not aware OF |
the presence OF the form that drops your theory |
A. II he was conscious he must have known IL Mr. |
HUI continued, IN answer TO very numerous aud In.