The New York herald., 1869-04-22
NEW HERALD THURSDAY QUADRUPLE SHEET

OF spiritss A. Yes; believe they can be produced
BY %sa the ons difference IS that
we do not know the law by which 1t is done; can
say that there are great many persons who can see
spirits there are spirits visible to my eye; beeve
the camera can take the photograph OF spirits, for
they are visible to the eye.
the gallery did You see any spirits spirits, A. There was
nothing at all but dun brown wall.
Q. Nothing etherealf A. No.
0. Yet you think this spirit photograph, although
you did not see anything near you at the timer A.
O. Is IL your opinion that the material form Of the
spirit may be photographed after being placed
before the cameraf A. There are two propositions
in that question; don't believe anything Z imma.
terial; believe everything IL matter but there ID
great deal Of the matter unknown to our senses;
believe that spirits are material and having living
the human sight l cannot comprehend why they
cannot be taken by the camera
@: Your belief is based upon the material formf
Q. And yet you say you did not sec any material
form between yourself and the wallY A; l did not
present at the trial Of case in which was an action
In policy Of insurance. saw standing up behind
wa was the the one Who's Whose lie and nd death were involved
ssS - suit ws: s. os brought $ i. siS
committed suicides he described to me the positions
and places connected with his death; while saw
Of the place at which his death occurred; showed
the diagram to the counsel and asked them II u was
anytnng IKE the place and they said It was y eS M
fore; the appearance Of the spirit was shadowy ana
transparent and could see material objects through
maige OF the Supreme Court; saw through 1t.
z. What IL the general form OF those splrltsf are
they clothed as in life or are they attred as when
buriedS A. have seen them as In lifetime; have
also seen them in their grave dress, but don't
know that ever saw spirit without clothes.
the Brooklyn court house. there nythng painful
looking or unpleasant about tS A. on, no; the man
drowned himself and the body was found.
@. Have you ever considered the question Of light
upon photography? A. have not.
Q. Have you studied the law OF insanity9 A. Yes,
so far as its legal aspect Is concerned.
@. Is there such thing as hallucnationf A.
There is
O. what is haucinatona A. Well, If man, for
instance. fancea and really believes in state Of
things which do not exist take the case of OthelO,
who was jealous OF Desdemona; be was jealous,
although there was no cause for it, hallucinaton Is
a phase OF insanity; since the prosecution COM
menced have received several letters which,
Yet interesting because 1 am sssured Of the sym
pathy of the writer's with the truths in which be-
lieve and Of which am thoroughly convinced.
jeremiah Gurney, OF 707 Broadway, was next ex-
amined by Mr.. Day.
Q. what is your busnessf A. Photographer.
Q. Have you called at Mr.. Numbers gaeryf A.
Yes went there to investigate with regard to these
Q. Did you have picture taken by Mr.. Mumer Of
O. Did you discover any trick or deception in It ?
A. No; saw the usual process Of preparing the
Q. Did this occur while you were theref A. Isaw
the plate prepared; then sat for my picture which
came forth with O shadowy picture beside my own.
did not.
In cross-examlnation the witness stated that he
had never placed anything inside the camera;
similar effect could be produced by placing person
behind the sitter; he had belief as lo the claims Of
photographers to spiritual emanation.
James X. Gilmore, whose non de plume he said,
Is Edmond Kirke testified that he had been requested
to investigate the aai and write an article on 1t;
ho call cd at no
zone of these shOwed); and said that the spiritual
likeness resembled no one whom he had ever seen
room, however, he had seen q gentleman whom
| it greatly resembled. He continued-I had a
Boton four years ago, and this latter picture and
that are very nearly alike as far, at least as con-
Germs the spectral picture The witness here mi
nutey described the operation performed by Mr..
| Mumier while taking his photograph. He con-
cuded:-At the third trial the spirts refused to CO.
RsasM pRates Mrs Hu@sr told me that she saw spirit
| at my side; she described this spirit, and !
friend; she said that would have picture Of that
| friend when the photographs were ready; found
that the spirit form was not that OF my friend;
that he could take bogus spiritual photographs by
| Mumer's process; he gave me q picture and sub
| his manGuvres; we tried the experiment several
| times; then Lockwood told me he would give me the
Mr. Elmer Terry next deposed that he had had
picture taken by Mumler, on which there appeared
picture OF his son, who had been dead twenty years
lie communicative resemblance was good; my son
never had a photograph or picture taken while he
was alive; when the photograph was taken dis
| covered no imposition or trick believe disem-
bodied spirits return to earth 10 visit their friends
| believed in spiritual photography before went to
Mumer.
the cross.examlnaton OF this witness was pecu.
larry sharp and exhaustive 1t was sought. on the
part OF the defence, to prove that the spectral pic
ture ON the photograph OF Mr.. Terry was that OF a
| female child. This the witness explained by stating
that the boy much resembled Z girl. He expressed
his belief In regard to SprltuShsm very emphatic
Jacob Kingsand in reply to Mr.. Day said
have seen those, pictures two photo
| who showed them to me; recognized the picture,
as OF himself and noticing the shadowy outline OF
| child on one Of them said, "that is one OF you
children:r on the other 1 saw the shadowy pictur,
OF female relative OF my own, long deceased; my
mind was not impressed in any way by the connec
ton o! the childs picture with the fathers but pro
| nounced that likeness existed between them, be
cause such likeness did exist, In my opinion am
| not believer in Spirtuaism.
| Pau Bremond ,estifed-I called at Numbers gal
ery during January and had my picture taken wit
an,rt here renresepiei BELIEVED IN sn,rs,,a nsn
| Biography before saw Mumler; took Mrs. Statz
OF No. SO Amity street, to the place, as she Is
good medium; the photograph taken with Mrs. Stat;
Is that OF Miss Twang and her sister recognizei IL
a. as 1t was shown her; did not pay any thing
my deceased daughter, who died in August
| 1858: she told me when she died tnat II /
were permitted she would return to me from tn
| spirit land; by this photograph | see tina
she has returned; the photograph represents her q:
she appeared just before death; my family recogniz
| 1t: have never seen a spirit, but heard q voice
| fifteen years ago spirit told me had q work Il
| perform; | am not blessed with the gift OF see
| ing; wish was 1t 10 necessary to have medium
present when hear spiritual voices; I have hear
two distinct spirit voices speaking simultane
| ously: the great desideratum 20 induce the
| presence OF spirits Is harmony; occa
| sion when 1--WE or six persons were present a lad.
| sang song, when four spirit voices joined in sing
| ing a beautiful second; | invested s250000 in
| railroad In Texas; am director OF that railroad
AZ this stage OF the proceedings counsel for the de
fendant applied for an adjournment OF the case, a.
| several important witnesses were absent.
| After some discussion Judge Downing said he was
anxious TO proceed with the case quickly as pos
| siDe. The case was then adjourned TIL tomorrow
| morning at nine O'Clock.
FIRE on WEST MOUNTAIN.