The New York herald., 1869-04-22

istence OF ardent spirits. that's not the question.
Ihe question has nothing to do with the popular bev-
erage known IS ardent spirits. You are asked II
YOU believe In the existence Of spirits In the popular
wit Witness-Thai's what puzzled me- your Honor, as
than In any other kind Of spirits. But II counsel
means spirits from the other world answer do
not fully believe IN splritaaism, No. nr.,
10 the extent Of imbbing them.
Q. Are you spirltuast, sir-yes or no; answer
A. hardly know In what degree OF epirftuallsm you
Q. Are You spiritualist in any de9reef A: l am.
o. How high Q grade do you go In forf A. be-
lieve in spirit Manifestations that have seen:
Q. Do you believe In spirit photography A. Yes,
o. What else in the way Of spirits do you'believef
A. wef that is again pretty general; there are a
great many kind OF spirits:
as general thing, operate differently on individ.
uals have seen spirit manifestations produced by
Q. How long have you been believer In this spir
ual power or agency that you aude tor A. Several
q. Prior to tho date when you called upon Mr.:
Mumler had You ever attempted to take spiritual
photographs yourselfi A. No.
these spirit photographs did you 60 into dark room
and see the collodion put on the platesf A. Yes;
@. And did you examine the collodion put on the
o. Did you examine the plates before the collodion
| was poured on the platess A. l saw him clean the
O. Did you examine the plates in the lightf A.
| saw him prepare the plates.
| O. But you did not examine the plates yourselff ?
O. After the collodion was poured on the plates
did you examine the side that was put into the bathf
g How long was the plate allowed to remain in
| Q. What next was doneP A. The plate was sub
| sequently placed ON the holder and remained there.
g IN its paoe tae es
! Q. Did you open the box before you took your po-
| sitton to be operated on A. Yes.
/ N w 4
| the camera9 A. think twenty-five seconds.
| @. And ls not that five seconds longer than the
seconds is the average time.
@. During the time the picture was being taken
| did you observe any changes In Mr.. Numbers po-
sitionf A. Nothing more than that noticed he put
his hand on the camera, as said before.
O. Did ne make any motions Of his hand while ,e ne
had it on the camera that you noticeds No; don't
think til, the moment he removed the cloth.
Q. Did he not first place cloth over his head and
| then look through A. He did.
@. Where did he keep his hands during the time
he was taking the pctureq A; One hand was on the
| camera, the other was on the instrument.
o. what was next done after he had taken the pho
tograph9 A. He closed the slide and took the pho
| 8. bid he precede you into the dark room7 A. He
did, but was Immediately behind him.
@. Was there lamp Ia the room shedding lighta
| A. There was ray of light there when we went In.
slider A. After he took the slide out he brought it
into the dark room and put 1t for little time In the
| bath In order to developi 1t.
Q: Did you keep your. eyes fixed on the plate
q. What next took placer A. He presented the
plate to me, and saw the appearance OF the figures.
Q: Did you recognize the so-called spirit or ghost'
q. What next was dones A. 1t was put through
| the regular process.
| ent times Did the process on any Of these occa-
sions diter in any PARTICULAR A. No sir; they
q. The same manipulation and process was
| adopted on each of these occasionsY A. Yes sir.
1 | n A.
Q. He went Immediately with 1t into the dark
room, and inserted 1t in this bath you speak Off
@. was there anything different in the process OBJ
served by Mr. Mumler in his process In Poughkeepsie
from that pursued by him IN his own gallery In
Q. He went to your place without any of his own
material, and used your material In his operations
Q. And on the latter occasion he proceeded in the
Q. Did you detect any trick or deception or any.
thing unusual In his operations different from the
usual process Of phosograpningS A. T. la S,d not
by which positive picture may first be taken on
the glass after the negative has been taken, which,
by placing the positive picture beyond the negative
power q similar effect can be produceds
objected TO as irrelevant.
Witness here went into dissertation on the usual
tests and the process OF taking photographs. Coun
sci for the prosecution. interrupting. handed wit
O. Look at that negative photograph and tell me
II you know how It was producedS A. think that
| Photograph produced in evidence and handed to
| the Court. marked exhibit No. In
Look photograph graz Il handed % to witnessl at that
meansf A; Yes, the same effect can be produced by
,II, Photograph put in as evidence. Marked eek
Counsel for the defence objected to the photo
graphs exhibited being put in evidence In the case.
| Objection Overruled and the photographs admit
ted counsel for the prosecution contendng that the
| witness was placed on the stand as an expert, and
as an expert his testimony was admissible on the
| point.
| II such picture coufd be produced by chemical
means. Witness, looking attentively at the picture,
answered-It would be difficult, but think 1t could
| be produced by mechanical power.
O. Have you examined the pictures taken by
the defendant here OF those so called spirit
photographs at his gallery and those taken at your
O. Have you any OF them in your possessions A.
O. Please let me see those pictures or any Of
thema
witness produced some Of the so called spirit pho.
BY Judge Dowllng-were the most OF these taken
| ut your gallery In Poughkeepsie on the occasion OF
Numbers visit to you on the occasion referred to
| A. Yes sir.
BY Mr. Gcary-o. by whom were these pictures
taken in your gallcryS A. by Mr.. Mumer
| Q. Was there any one else but yourself and Num-
| Ter present when these photographs were taken by
| MumlcrS A. Yes Mr.. Kidney was present.
| q. Did any person besides Mumler assist IN the
operation OF taking the picturesf A. Yes, Mr.. KID
e process up 70 ne time a thai
| Mr.. Mumler put his hand on the camera; Kidney
prepared AL all the chemicals M in my presence;
questioned az 10 whether you saw any object inside
the camera during the operation. Wen, now, / ask
you. could any object be taken but some object out
side the camera A. Not that know OF.
q. DO you know OF your own knowledge whether
| any object except the object outside the camera
could be taken at that time A. The object to be
taken must be outside the camera but whether such
| thing could be done or not don't know as never
| tried the experiment.
q. You say Mr. Mumer had no means no instru
| ment or mechanical appliances with him for taxing
| w I'm IN
| quence compelled TO use yours A. He had nothing
at all OF the kind; he came without anything and
| had to use mine.
Recross examination by Mr. Gcary.-Q. At whose
| request did Mumler visit your placer A. asked
| him to come, in order that might have an oppor
| tunity OF investigating his process.
q Who paid his expenses theref A. lie paid his
| own expenses.
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