New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-07-19
Vol. XXIX.....NO. 1923.
FOREIGN NEWS.
GREAT BRITAIN.
THE CHURCH BILL DEBATE CoNTINUED-PRo-
GRAMME OF THE LORDS.

GRAbiME OF THE LORDS.
LONDON Saturday July II, 1869.
The debate on the amended Irish Church bill was
continued in the House of Commons until a late hour
this morning After the rejection of the amendment
Dronosed by the PEERS Mr. Disraeli took the floor
and spoke at some length He regretted the repudi-
alton of the amendments adopted in the House OF
Lords The Church was not the question at issue at
the late elections He thought the agreement of the
lords TO read the bill a second time was act of
magnanmity, considering the great majority I'M
favorable to the measure, and this agreement was
only given on the understanding that the House of
Commons would consider the amendments adopted
in a concilatOry spirit. He could not understand
how the course the Government had taken could be
reconced to the expectations held out to the House
of Lords.
Mr.. Gladstone replied to these remarks saying tha1
the promise given to the House of Lords was tnaV
amendments which could be approved would DC re-
spectfully considered and he maintained that tnaI
pledge had not been violated. He had conceded iucn
indifference to the Lords and had ful6ed-more than
fulflled-an the pledges given. lGreat cheerlngJ
He was certain that if any harm had been done 10
the Church it was by those who described INC grey
GUS and enervating effect disestabhshment WOu4u
have on the zeal and life of the religious community
If the Church was destitute of energy and vigor the
sooner they quilted it the better. He must make
solemn protest against these disheartening ana de-
grading convictions, and expresses an humble and
confident expectation, though time and trial inter
vene. The members of the Church will regard the
day of the passage of this act the day Of their relg
ious regeneration.
The Right Hon. Claiborne Hardy then took the
floor. He accepted the appeal made to posterity IL
regard to the beneficial effects of the bill He sup
ported Mr.. Disraeli's statements that John Bright
had used threats of dissolution Of the Parliament to
keep the party together and cOerce the House of
Lords He considered the Lords a coordinate
authority and thought they had been treated in an
unworthy manner.
Mr.. Bright denied that he had ever used threats of
dissolution. His only reference to the subject was
what might be the expression of popular opinion if
the subject of concurrent endowment referred
TO the nation. He regretted this unfounded charge
which had been brought forward against him, but
which the great majority of the House disbeleved.
After further debate committee was appointed
to draw mp report embOdyng the reasons for dis
agreement to the amendments proposed by the |
House of Lords
1t is said that the House of Lords viii give up
their amendments to the Irish Church bill in regard
TO concurrent endowment and the Ulster grants but
will adhere TO the amendments refusing TO devote
the surplus proceeds of the church property to the
relief Of unavoidable calamity and suffering" as
proposed in the original preamble, and deferrng the
appropriation Of the fund.