New-York tribune., 1869-06-08
rNGIAND AND THE ALABAMA.
.Orrnv Ry MR.. JUSTIN MCCARTHY OF THE
a hh0f f0NA LONDON MORNING STAR.

-. NSCorthv editor Of The London Morh"'g star VINO
visit TO this country The lecture was delivered
:; the largo Hall Of the cooper oilon' Inc auueuo0
- Wv iorge but intelligent and appreeiative Theo
vas '. no so presided. After calling the meeting to
No ,, T,lton said his acquaintance with the liberal
a1r ~ the audience that assembled in that Hal
sd him in SAYING that the lateness OF the season
accounted for the smallness Of the attendance Inc
sker he about to introduce was one OF those rev &
strive to make them darker but on the cOntrary
was well known that ihs M0rng star OF Wilt u that
long and bitter strife for national life, had spOksn
Of cheer In favor OF the North OF Cmon a9 49, Mccarthy
fApplause Mr.. Tilton said: now present MI n0O''
Tor the first time TO all American audience , ,aduu
Mr. mccarthy Is yet young man onest % %cop3tenance
"A speaker he makes effort TO play the
way which mpresses his hearers all through Wa" Mr V
idea that he feels and believes all ne ~ ,h 4roonoed
Mccarthy came forward, he was gree'ou WIN
tadSs and Gemcner-I don't know whether done 6are
oae an apoogy for being the means OF Drlhlns you
al this time hear lecture on so ieSt TOO
that OF England and the Alabama to sneak than
on which so many people. better quaneu 70 is+ vg
r. have been speaking writing during 'he taS' tbat
81 might be of some advantage TO ne near ono .
few words spoken on 'thls euuJooI py.,,s is
Who comes from England. am no orator as Bruus rs;
INT simple account Of how England felt on this sueUt
once and how she feels nOw may ASSIST us an nel , m
coming TO fair conclusion of what IN the iuluIe ts
S,@cnIt nnestion will be am subject who In New
York was actively engaged in Engsh pOlGs uuiInE % 9
whole time when the eyen& TOOK pace 1uE oH ~
,rLich ths question arises, aud L ShlnK may
claim TO speak with something OF lmparuaiiy ptin
even upon questions which concern the TWO cogues @
Although I am American, yet am one Oh . InoSe
Euglsh subjects who always took deep @ anu & SUs1 6e
r forwarded the cause Of the Union with an unwayer
ing constant, and, was Amos ESnnhsb ESh n am Brit
ish subject, / am not an Engnshmian, i
aud may theTSfGre' SGS .rroinds Tsm the native e Of
posf every country This subject divides itse1 natu-
rally nto two sreb5 tba is the claims which arise out Of
The escape Of Alabama and her course as pirate
ana tfsn se te oetch Of the wrong done by England
or pposed to DONE when she conceded to the south
ated last ought naturally it would seem, to come first
But take the question Of the Alabama in the hrst place
could have to be subject Of dispute One wonders
how the historian, looking back with all the importantly
lng Of that event could well explain how came 70 be
cause OF dispute or doubt at al Mr. saI 1It nv
disqualified give comfort satisfaction TO any one hat
owers In no wise but altogether adapted for the con-
enence and advantage Of the great IL Is thereIore
when infrinsement begins or does not begin. But one
tng certain Prom the very nature OF the case there
are certain things which cannot possibly De zone 1y
neutral power without placing itself in the attitude
OF wrOngdoer and they are bound IN tGe
Gr Mccarthy then gave the simple facts OF the case;
f9at steamer was pun, ~ an an T manned Inv FnrIiSb
seamen and left English port for the purpose OF max
Iug war upon the commerce OF friendly nation HOW
aid this occur That it might with great truth be said
that let the English Government 90 what u mlRnt u
ans NCSa df the piFate Vessel, but that he at
mat time watched this AFFAIR very closely,
S Ss tssn tSs smallest oubt in the mind any Enghman
Tor what purpose that vessel was being built MT nc,
Engishman or EnGlishwoman that was not well aware
that that ship was about 70 De oDS 70 yf P ea t
vas Wauo seen or heard of the defense writ
Ten by Mr. laird Of his conduct For myself, think
his defense perfectly reasonable ana Just lie never dd
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loyers lie adopted the plain and simple plan or saying
RS Tious SOu6 that the motive for making the ship
was something that he could not tell But the English
6Sy after day it was urged upon them by some of our
public men, by some Of our newspapers that TINS snip
was being built They told the purpose was beng
built for They were told Of men who had gone aboard
and talked with men who were engaged as sea
men board Of her. Dut IL was unneeaed'
1t was considered smPie, business f5ansae LiIsaf,
Teardsd IL in that light and affecting but him
seiJ Mr. Laird by no means great political hguTe.
To use phrase ssH H'4b Is 4Hs Man Resa St don amount to
much" Laughter don't suppose he hod much e feeI'
side lost think hedid nought in aid Of the plan but
an in the way business. Mr.. Mccarthy said he had no
dnnbt MT Lard would have entered compact with
satan to build warsip II that sable demon had onered
% iTteption Of the English Government was to transfer
the blame from their shoulders 70 those Of MI Laird
that the plain truth was the kngnsh Government
knew what the Alabama was being built for
perfectly we'll They never had the smallest doubt IN
English Government were friendly IN their disposition
all through lie could only say for himself that he
never saw any marks OF that friendlness In England
almost every man who belonged 70 Club almost every
who lived 10, or visited the WestEnd houses almost
every one who lad any relations with the aristocracy
from the intimate friends their funkes were to
man IN isyoi Oh @ ,e 1St ~ the sn1ib was dne Gentle.
manly cause the Of the North was One IN
noble oco1pations were the chief persons interested
That there was a class OF persons IN England WhOm
Matthew Arnold called the Phstne class, ana applied
il 70 all that kind OF people who are completely
out of the sphere Of reason. now, tne EAg!lsh
on the success Of the South; the more that
he only convinced that II must succeed, but he
lad quito arranged his mind the very results and all
b lee htcr tb Ststs ~ NIissisIi did tntersect tbe
state Of Pennsylvania. The English Philistne" comes
1tSn il an e.sy method ior settling foreign questions
II requires no knowledge Of the subject. Applause.
That class OF men formed the whole class OF
society with whom the Government, generally
mass OF the English working people believed In the
gish working population were the only class which
fered materially from me endurance ace OF TINS war, and
they the class which, IRON hIst TO last looked
calmly this question and walked firmly by the side
se smoke in Rsh terms Of Mr. SUMNER and hs
treatment OF the great questions that he as well as most
sumner that he lr sumner one OF the few Americans
that are known in England They admire the bold stand
NJ Symner continued the speaker, was regarded as
being especially friendly TO England and the statesman
people found how he talked about these questions the
enormous amount Of reparaton which the United States
should demand, and when he claimed that England was
wholly wrong in the recognition Of the Rebels as
begerents, they felt that war was likely 70 be IN.
augurated speedily. II this Senator expresses the
views Of Els country. the people must want
war said they The speaker could NOT understand what
good tho English Government could expect 70 gain by
refusing 70 submit the question OF recognition as well as
the others M arbitration II they did right, why
trust the matter TO impartial Judge. he thought
upon this matter that England should take more gem
erOus and iheral view OF the whole question, and
be willing to submit all the questions raised TO
arbitration, 30 the world might judge as
TO what right and what was
wrong. There Is one point upon which l would