New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-04-24
SPIRITUALISM IN COURT.

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, cortipucd yesterday before Justice Bowling at inc
rnbs Police Court The substance and ground WORK Oh
tho action. SO far as li:hortO developed hNe
been reported in the columns Oh HE -
UNE The intensity OF the interest maiiieS'eu ~
the pabhc In this has perhaps never Deon 81
In reference TO any criminal investigation ia t -
81 .s,,,o,, &C on ALI preyous hearings the Court was
6c,selv tropced with anxious listeners, all OF Nhoh
gave critical and scrutinzng attention 10 tnc osto'
elected aud were evidently deeply ensrossed win ''
n,vsterious nature of its details Among inc au''en'o
ro we're large numbes'of deyotccs Of spiTituasn as
eIl as many others who waverod between skepicism
and conversion TO spiritualistc doctrines, ana VINO
evnecd the most marked anxiety TO hear II the mystic
s,ract would clearly Clucidated IN the progress
Of the examination and cross examination OF the Wit
The first witness placed on the stand was David Hop
Nj Townsend-What IS your occupations Witness
Manufacturer OF railway machinery; ,.,ou, Wa
o when d'd you first know hmi y. About the ION
u o Whera Gld you first sec mint >. At his place OF
business went TO his gallery for The purpose OF ge'hs
my Photograph taken -.
O. DGyou i, Tor pieturoi did; -,
O. Before sitting for the picture what conversation did
saw Mr. Quay sitting at ms desk. and asked him IT, ~
case Of my sitting fora photograph, be w0ald WarI3Is
said he could warrant and never dd warrant WIN
anybody MI Mumicr was then enEa-ed WIN a gentiei
man up stairs. SO waited few minutes ana aItefW9rd
Went In stairs There were tbcre Mr.. Mumler and a
yonne man i5 or II years old agaip asked il spiritual
likeness could he guaranteed and Mr. Munler salu II
yasCt vn1rr Ills control 10 ny whether spirit likeness
would be got or rot, Remaining that sometimes they APP
pcared and sometimes they did nor thele was no GER
iainty ahott H. l went 10 Mr. Mumler under the i'm
g. What was tic result o. your sittingi A. Split
form appeared on lilo card with my likeness; ,u,
O. We're yuu able 20 identity INC f1rm as the likeness OF
person whom You knew during lfei A. am as That
OF person VINO dlcu VI 9 what did
e fou went 10 SEQ IA mere was Any Ir59, IA, iu
yo do? A. looked round tle room ana listened care
fully 20 eaten any suspicious noise, and watched as
atieu;iyc.y rs could.
q unlcI land YOU to say you went as a skoptic A.
went rs &c 6keptc. -
@ Did you notice anything TO Indicate fraudi A;
EoiEug whatcvcT l observed that MI Mumler placed
fingers or hand moved, but they did not at all
G. Did you know Mr. Mumler before this occasion
O Did You give your namei A. no; did not give my
ut this time because no clue To my ldehiy IN Et
ting picture should he given sfterwaTd showed ule
picture TO my ncighbOrS and 10 many Chdren' al VI
@ Did shy person suggest that might be the likeness
OF somebody else: A. No one. -. .... ,,ono,,o.
CrOss.eX anined by Mr. Gerry. I have seen kenesses
taken before; have been in business where became anne
galleries and seen portraits taken before. 49,.
@ Have you ever been where you were abe 10 ueteet
fraudl A. have discovered that have been cheateu
Q. Have you ever been cheated A; Yes; some men
have cheated me- and have discOyeredit.
@. But you might have been cheated without being
able 10 discover the fraud might you n0tf A. 90 not
whether have been cheated in cases where have
o. When Won went to have spiritual likeness taken.
did you believe I'm spritsl A. have been sworn on tho
Bible. and the Bible is fun Of spiritualism.
O. How far have you advanced on the grade OF Splr-
itIllsnl A. DO not know that have advanced in
spiritualism at all ,---,,--
my opinion Is that Jesus Christ is the most perfect
example that human beings can follow.
O. You believe in the existence of Deityi A, believe
I'm The doctrine and relations contained IN the Bible.
seen soSe ySgue manesfaon It IS tangible manfe
tation that angels took meals in the time Of Lot and
@ Have You any portrait Of the person who died ac-
coIilng TO your stateme1ti a. nAse no-, o,o .z
O. What relation was that person 10 your a. she was
O. where did you see bert A. She lived in the house
Wlfe's sister, and her several times
@ Have you seen photograph Of her since she died
A have have seen II since the spirit photograph was
O. Where is that photographic A. Itisin the posses
sion OF Mr. staughton OF Elghteenthst and Ihrd-ayei
WIFE, and the children at once recognized 1t as the por-
O. Did Won tell them where It was takent A. Yes
q. Then you showed 1t them, assuming that they
would recognize iti A. My question to them was
knew that portrait Or picture is verabe likeness Of
The next witness examined was William W. Silver OF
No; ls2 smithst BrSoklyn: ......,,.u, ,r,.,... =,
Mr. Iownsend-What Is your occupations WitneSs-I
O. How long have You been engaged in the businessi
New-York; prior to March last / had gallery at No GO
Broadway-tne same building where Mr.. Mumler now
@. When did you see Mr.. Mumleri a. On tho let of
November last, at No. GO Broadway
Q What was his object IN going therei A. He to
me for the purpose OF making arrangements for taking
tuEes 10; rented him the privilege OF making plcuTos
have not been IN business there since the s OF March
nessYes sal ID his gallery some time in November
@ What led you TO siti A. sat TO see what could
Q. What efoct did you getl A female form was pro-
duced which at once recognized as my mother.
q. Are you now spirtuallstl A. MOI am not
q. When Mr.. Numer took your gallery did he bring
his own matenalsf A. No; the camera aud other
materials he used those he bought Of me-
q. Did you see anything particular in his preparations
when you had your likeness taeni A. prepared oyery
thing NV self, plate, and other things.
G. DID you ever have any manifestations On your PIC
lures before thlsi A. MOI never
q. when this picture taken2 A. About week az
O. Had Mr. Muinier any opportunity of manipulating
your instruments before he produced the picture A.
Not ALL have been present individually, at the time
he has taken these pictures, ana have watched
process narrowly as could have seen him put
the eoodion on the plates put them III ana take them
irom the camera into the darkroom.
Nr TOwHsend-Haye you ever been able TO detect him
in fraud a. No, have not though l have examined
O. Thcn You have seen spirit forms produced when Mr.
Mumlcr has not prepared the plates, &e.f a. Yes
have known spiritual manifestations 70 when have
prepared the plate and Mr; Mumler has exposed IT.
moving the cOth. have seen spirit forms exhibited
Wien he had not hts hand on the camera. -, -,
You sOlcmny that there rs no sort OF col
lusl0u between yOu and Mr. Mumler A. Yes, solemny
rat Tor another picture BY request OF Mt Au1le Tor
The purpose OF trying the eolodion; MI Mumer toia me
10 take the plato INTO the dark room ana develop IL dd
%, iuid there was spirit form on Tue plate ,,,.
CrOss-e1aluincd by Mr. Geriy-Arc You splriuanstf
Mr. GcIry-You do not become convert to splrituosm
notwithstanding al these forms a. believe IN ING
picture believe the Impressions produced are produced
Mr.; Geuy-DO Jon know Mrs. MumlerI A. Yes.
MAJ y her age a. do not know her age
g. Nhnt 90 you think her age Isl A. Between 20 and 10
der 70 arrive at scope less limited m the wItnesss sup
position OF Mrs Numbers age but nothing definite
Mr Gerry remarked that this showed tho vauo OF tho
Wibuess's testimony.
Nc Gerry-What were Mrs Numbers duties in the bus
tuess While you were therei a. She occupied IN tho
10 say that prisons were waiting down stairs
Dii you near ths conversation which passed be-