New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-02-12


I Inns llmey order was hailed with satisfaction and
epeGied Wh approyng signs and the elappng Of hands
| on the senatorial Democratic side OF the House. and
WIN marked cessation Of uproarousncss the oppo-
AT last after various Interruptions the result was an.
nonnced, first by Senator ConklnR. and afterwad re-
aed by inc presiding officer that including the State
OF Georgia Grant and COaX had received IA votes and
seymour and Blair 50 votes aud that, excluding tile
State OF Georgia Grant and CofaN had received ga
| votes, and Seymour and Blair II votes.
The PRESIDING OFFICER, after repeating the result
sadI do therefore declare that Ulysses s. Grant Of INT
nois, having received majority Of the whole number OF
electoral votes, Is duly elected President OF the United
states for four. years commencing the attn day of
March, 1862 aud that Schuyler Cofx Of Indiana having
received the majority of the whole number of electoral
votes is duly elected VicePresdent of the United states
for four years commencing the ith day Of March 1862
The JOINT Convention having accomplished tie business
Chamber
The delivery Of this bull was greeted with uproarious
laughter on oil sides Of the Chamber, in the midst Of
which the Senators drew their tOgas around them in
spirit and retired fron'thc hail. where they had suffered
The senate having retired Mt n o'clock Mr. BUTLER
OF Massachusetts arose aud offered resolution in these
Rd That the House protests that the counting Of the Of
orPTesS9 and an invasion Of the gL a psees oftLs House
Speaker should make his statement the lobbies OF tho
HOnse should be cleared.
The SPEAKER directed that persons who were not
privileged should retire from the floor. The Speaker
then said that account OF the aeneSs OF the hour the
Char desires to progress with the business, and II there
be objection the Chair will now make brief state
ment in reference. to the question. The Chair
the apparent conflict with which has produced
I'm the Joint OF the
After the SPEAKER had closed, Mr. BUTLER rep,
Mass addressed the Speaker.
Mr. sPALDING asked the gentleman from Massachu-
sets to give way for motion TO adjourn.
Mr.. BUTLER-Ob, MOI Now is the time 70
settle great question Ike this ;o rO Will
without Interruptions. The point now before us is per
haps grave came before any legislative
body for settlement and whatever may have been under
what we deem gross invasion OF our privileges, the
everywhere in American bosoms trust tho few
minutes 'after the deed has been done are sufficient
tlTly .lfUlf
to see exactly the merits OF the question And allow me
premise here that think this resolution outside OF the
night in doing what he did yet the in which
was done without hearing, without appeal, without
rights and privileges OF tins House. Now, 1lr'
TSe constaton Of fl the UntSd states SAYS that the
PresdeDt Of the Senate In Convention shall count all
or the Senate either conformity or sevcrally in
otherwise TO stop the operation OF that eons
tutiOna enactment as 1t is TO turn back the sun from MS
position: If the House aud Senate by, l3int
action before hand determine what votes shall be
counted and what votes shall not be counted teh the
House and senate determine who is and VINO !: NOT
United States, ana although 1t does not make any deF
the SPEAKER pro ten lir Dawes in the Chain here
asked Mr. Butler TO suspend has remarks until nessen,
ger should be received from the Senate messenger
was thercupon received from the Senate announcing at
10 had appointed Committee OF one, IN conjunction WIN
House 10 wait upon Ulysses s. Grant President elect Of
the United states, aud schuyler COiiaN VICE. %
tion and that the Senate had appointed Senator Morton
Mr. BTTIER, resuming his remarks said Although
II could make difference at this moment yet II ms
House say with the Senate, that such state could
he counted aud such another shall not be- then, under
given state OF facts IL IS In the power OF the House ana
OF the Senate AT any Tine TO oHerthioW NE EolS anu
OF the House and Senate to make rule uat no
vote Of a state shall be counted unless both Houses
and the Senate agree together. then Is II pui IN
the power OF either House TO determine VINO shhll De
President Of the United States from this day forth
there can be no election whenever the Senate and House
OF Representatives are opposed TO each other Think OF
It moment gentlemen; suppose at the next election tAe
House OF Repres-n atyes Is way and the senate an
other under that joint rule II y Is al ana
publican votes counted" and the Senate can say; We
VIII not nave Yea t tn9 roena Elections Now then
what did the Constitution mean II meant lht con
yenton should together OF the two Houses hat inc
House nd senate should meet In Convention. What Is
meant by that Inventions is claimed the part Of
pendent body; ana Difference TO that claim" claim,
because they small body and would by per capita
our rules all questions shall be determined In
separate bodies which It is clear to my mind the Senate
Mr. sPEAKER COLFAx, who was occupying Nom
bers desk arose and asked whether the gentleman from
Massachusetts desired "A reply.
Mr. BUTLER (answenngl-I do not, this moment. !
am only putting question. stated that tue Speaker
did exactly what he believed to be his duty, and do not
think was influenced hair because no could not
doubt that he the choice Of The people, aud that
under no circumstances could the people permit
the choice Of theirs be overturned aud therefore he
had not single personal Thought Ia H. and WY 90 Iot
allow him reply Is, that would not wish to seem 10
have thought for moment that was Affecting al, po
stiOn but put II 10 his own GOOD sen7e Won IA1I
agree 10 that than 20 any other power on eIh cn,
who doubtful whether 10 had been eIects1
by tho voice OF the people; ho co1il,
ifouse"By tie power OF the constabulary OF the
ousececk the voice OF the people through their rep
declare that lac elected President Of The United
States / avn speaking OF a supposed case nave no
doing what he aid; and 1 call his attention to
the fact the moment he made that decision
make and a decision within the prOprety Of
ms position 10 make. From that moment took my seat
cause yielded 10 his authority, az have always done
and as always hope 10 do. But am only showing the
privileges for the safety OF tho Natonand for the liberties
OF the people Now let us come directly to what was
22d rule Having passed that joint rule there was
the House the Georgia should not be counted
because OF her want OF capacity as state ha being put
ia the preambet was agreed that for that reason the
vote OF Georgia should not be counted.
Mr.: ELDREDGE-And with large portion OF the
Mr. BUTLER-Yos with about half the House ABSENT
Now. under these circumstances ask what happened
place TO object 10 the State OF Georgia, for reason
which was wholly outside OF that resolution. j osc
TO 1t two other grounds The first aud last grounds are
wholly outside Of the concurrent resolution The pre-
siding officer after while ruled that the objection was
well taken, and he took the Senate over TO us chamber
for the consideration Of what the Joint rule says that the
twoouses to consider objections stated In Convention
and he consider no other question ThebpeakcI TOOK
the Chair and very properly put before US inc obr0h
which made In Joint Convention under tho rue
Where was Speaker then, that he did not declare To
us-Why, gentlemen, you cannot vote upon this; you
have tied up your hands by the concurrent resolution
and you cannot consider this for II moments you cannot
consider this ground OF objections the evidence has
come to you since your action bu you cannot reconsider
your action and you must count tho state OF Georgia
although one OF the casting electors OF that
state Is unregenerate from every crime known 10 the
Decalogue and IL s said nave no power To prevent
this again. Very we'll Sir. With unanimlty wthOuta pa
rallel every loyal the Republican side OF the
Hohse and some loyal men tho other side, nope,
voted for resolution that Georgia ought not To- De