The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-06-19
The Work of Laying the French
Telegraphic Cable Begun.
Arrest Of a Cuban Recruiting Officer in
Richmond, Va.
Nova Scotia Dissatisfied With the Canadian
. Confederation.
The Annexation Feeling in
Halifax.
ENGLAND.
The Debate ON the Irish Church Bill Com
tinued.

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| The Debate OH the Irish Church Bill Con.
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| LONDON, June 10, 1862
The debate in the House of Lords last evening on
the irish Church bill continued until long after
midnight, and it impossible to furnish the Anne
rican press an account of the proceedings owing to
the lateness OF The hour. After Lord Redesdale's
speech in opposition and the Duke Of Devonshlre's
in favor Of the measure. the Marquis of Salisbury
took the floor and spoke at considerable length.
He said that while he intended to vote for
the second reading of the bill he did not
wish to commit himself to all the details of
the measure. He strongly objected to the position
and attitude of the House of Lords with respect
the nation and deemed the assertion that the Lords,
in asserting to the will OF the nation, express subor
dination to the Commons false. II that were
fact 1t would be better for the House OF Lords to
disappear as coordinate branch of the government
The object OF the second house was to supply the
omissions and rectiy the defects of the first. In
many cases the House of Commons only represented
the nation in theory.
In the majority OF cases the House OF Lords must
decide for themselves; but when the House OF
Commons and the nation are agreed ON a
given point the functions Of the House Of Lords
have passed away and the responsibility devolves
on the nation and on the House. We might fairly
accept this decision without abnegation OF duty Op-
position to the decided opinion of the nation would
only delay the inevitable issue, and create per od
of disturbance and discomfort He thought the bill
under discussion illDerai and injurious. He did not
believe that amendments would be contemporary
disregarded" by the House of Commons, as had been
intimated. He thought the governments of large
majority gave prospect of uninterrupted success
. but the nation would soon turn against minister
displaying dominoering spirit. Admitting any
amount OF arrogance in Mr. Gladstone, the House of
Commons might consider its own present position
as compared with its possible position If the bill
were rejected. Nothing could be more fatal than
such policy. The contest would then be carried on
under q disadvantage and the House OF Lords would
finally have to give way.
Lord Colchester and the Bishop of Tuam, Knlaly
and AchOnry opposed the BILL and Earls Stanhope
and Nelson proposed slight amendments and sup
ported them briefly.
Tho Press on the Parlia mentary Debates.
LONDON, June Is, 1862
The press this morning infer from the tone OF the
debate in the House Of Lords that the passage OF
the Irish Church bill is certain. The Times says dis
establishment is foredoomed; the extent and mode
Of proceeding remain to be settled. Notifications of
the bill are now admissible.
The irish Church Bill i'm the House Of Lords
Great Excitement.
LONDON, June Is, 1869.
At this hour (half-past twelve night the debate In
the House OF Lords on the Irish Church bill creates
intense interest. There Is evidently determination
20 force a division, but no result Is expected
before four in the morning. The galleries OF
the House are densely crowded. The Prince of Wales
and the Duke OF Cambridge are present, apparently
with the full intention to sit 1t out to the last The
hos ind coIr rha NJ fha hin
second reading by a majority ranging from twelve
TO twenty-five votes. The general belief is that the
Lords will strip the bill Of the abandonment clauses
but leave 1t with the disestablishment provisions
only This Is likely to be still more embarrassing
to the Gladstone ministry than the direct rejection
OF the bill.
The rumors are again revived that attempts are
being made to drive Mr. Bright from the Cabinet.
Continuation Of the Debates in the House of
Lords.
LONDON, June is, 1869.
The excitement over the debate in the House of
Lords on the Irish Church bill increases. The
benches, lobbies and galleries OF the House we're
crowded again to.nignt.
Earl Russell was the first speaker. He said many
INDUSTRIOUS statesmen, animated by feelings OF
justice and generosity for Ireland had endeavored to
settle the Church question, but their efforts
were made In vain. The fact that a small
proportion OF the people OF Ireland be-
longed to the Church establishes the Jus tice
as well rs the necessity OF dealing with the
question. The creation Of the Irish Church in the
beginning was wise thing but the result OF three
centuries made an alteration necessary The act OF
union was too solemn compact to be interfered
with save In great crisis, but now q great crisis
was at hand. He reviewed former promises OF con.
cesson, which Mr. Pitt If he had had the opportu.
nifty, would have accomplished. He also traced the
history Of the abolition Of prelacy in Scotland.
but said Ireland had never been I'm a position 70 |
initiate Scotland She mad been oppressed by penal
laws and disabilities, Notwithstanding promises OF |
relief He believed that concurrent endowment |
was preferable TO the present measure, but |
the Catholics refused to accept 10. lie held |
that the tories were responsible for the present |
state Of Ireland. They had rejected the policy OF
Pitt Canning and Peel. and now as an alternative
they proposed to accept Pitts policy. But he re.
GREETED TO say that IT too late. They had no
choice now but to disestablish and dsendow. Dis. |
endowment need not be total He was inclined 10 /
the generous course which Mr.. Bright originally adj.
vocated especially as the Catholics and Presbyte.
rians were TO be compensated from the Church |
revenues. He wished to do the best he could for |
ireland but not to endanger the Churches OF Eng. |
land and Scotland. Admitting this course TO be
necessary for Ireland, we must not give a stimulus
TO those desiring disestablish all the Churches.
He desired the tories to accept the verdict OF the
constituencies to which they had appealed and said
the result OF that appeal must be regarded as the |
deliberate verdict OF the nation on the question.
Adverting to the course Of the House Of Lords on |
the Reform bill in 1892 Earl Russell impored their |
lordships to act In accordance with the spirit OF the
constitution and accept the decision OF the nation as