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Tho Struggle Between tho Hous.s of PnrIia.
ment over the Irish Church Bili-Interest.
ing Scenes in the Upper HOuse-The Debate
Before tho Lords-The Die Cast.
LONDON, July a. 1859.
Last night was really one of the most NON entous
periods during the whole discussion on the Irish
Church bill, not 80 much from any outward appear.
Ance Of excitement, but 1t was evident from the
demeanor of the members of the press and the vsi.
tors that serious crisis mad arrived in he conflict
between the two houses OF Parliament. Some pre-
Iiminary parliamentary business was transacted In
omtnous silence, the supporters Of the Ministry
and the members of che opposition eyed eac h
other like men feeling sure that they would
soon be engaged In dangerous struggle.
In q prominent seat among the ladies'
who were present IN great numbers sat the stately
Mrs. Gladstone dressed In bright blue silk sweep.
ing iu succession the whole array of grave impas.
stoned faces with her opera glass as each speaker
arose. The bench of bishops was beaded by the
Archbshops Of Canterbury and Cork, who presented
formidable array OF silk and muslin Earl Gran.
Vile looked careworn, as though he was fully I'm.
pressed with the difficulties that lay IN the way
Lord Derby entered late In the evening and took his
seat with all air OF defiance in his manner. Lord
Cairns took his place early and appeared uneasy.
Lord Salisbury, as usual, nursed his knee and ap
peared nervously anxious for an opportunity
of joining in the issue with the Commons,
Royalty was represented by the Duke Of Cambridge,
who sat near Earl Gray, earnestly conyersing with
ell around him. After the speeches were under
way, the members Of the lower house crowded In,
Mr.. Disrael taxing conspicuous position on the
steps OF the throne, where he was the cynosure OF
all eyes as he stood with that ,nscrutable look
which ne can sO we'll asat1mo when aurvex,n1 TIM
august assembly through his eyeglass. On the
other side Of the throne Mr.. Gladstone leaned neg.
gently against the rails which separate the strangers
from the body Of the House. He L. oked anxious as
che debate proceeded, with pale face and the hard
lines about the mouth drawn down, With a rcsolute
look a. though his mind was made up never to sur.
render. Mr. Bright hustled to and fro. In and out
OF the house, his countenance betraying ANYTHING
out displeasure at the prospect before him. Alto.
gether the scene during the debate Indicated the In.
tense interest taken IN the crisis which reached its
climax, and from which It was felt that there can
be no escape.
The consideration Of the bill as returned from the
House OF Commons was taken up first by Earl Gran.
vile, who complimented the House Of Loras on the
ability and craftsmanship oped In the late de.
bate and the moderation shown by the opposition
towards It's Close The government thought some of
their amendments we're good, some bas and others
quite inadmissible He did not consider that the
House OF Commons had dealt supercousy or con.
temptuousY with them for out OF SIXTY amend
Wents only thirteen had been absolutely rejected.
he Analysed the amendments having the effect to
re-endow what the bin intended TO disendow ana
said concurrent endowment, Notwithstanding the
ability with which 1t had been supported, the gov
eminent was obliged to consider breach OF farm
with their constituents, While an overwhelming
majority of the House OF Conmous and
public opinion were opposed to it. In re-
spect to the disposal OF the surplus fund,
the more he saw and heard the more he was
convinced that 1t was disadvantageous TO keep the
question open, and he condemncd the proposal to
keep three millions dangling before the people to
excite and stimulate agitstions. lie urged the
posed the reinseron OF the words struck out Of the
preamble OF the original bill
Lord Cairns complained In strong term. that the
government had not adhered to Earl Granviiles
pledge that the Lords amendments would be re.
specially c0nsidered for the faith OF this prom
Use many who objected to the bill on its own merits
were induced to vote for the second reading. He
thought Mr.. GLADSTONE had used language in the
other House unworthy Of himself anu of his position
BE contended that OF the amendments which had
been rejected, all except two had been
disposed OF without the slightest consld.
Grafton The notifications made In the other
amendments were utterly illusory ana unsatisfactory
He hoped the House would insist on tn, reservation
OF the surplus for future disposition, aud on the
amendments with respect TO curates aud to the com.
mutation OF life interests. The remaining amend.
ments, being OF minor importance, they might give
up, IN order not to provoke needessiy a collision
between the two houses.
The Earl OF Kimberley said tue government could
not give way.
Earl Grey thought the words Of the original pre-.
alnble were oaensive to the religious majority Of
Ireland aud urged the government to concur in the
amendment. II the bill fell on account OF It's re.
fusa to yield this point u would be The fault Of the
government, ~
Lordo Halifax, Clanricarde and shatesbury sup.
ported the government.
Earl Russell favored disestablishmeut ana Olsen.
aowment, subject to existing rights. ne thought
the words In the preamble unnecessary and TN.
politio. II the real object OF the bill was to be de-
Shared II should state that the decision Of the last
election was against all Church Establishments
those OF England and Scotland o. we'll AZ that OF
Ireland. and the existence Of the Irish Church ought
70 DO made direct issue. He believed the preamble
was capable Of any Interpretation. he thought the
grant OF globes to al denominations was the visess
plan Tor establishing religious equality. lie dc.
siareo that he would feel obliged to vote against the
government on the question Of the preamble
snoulo The bill fail to pass the government would
only nave itself to blame. He thought they ought
TO reciprocate the conciatory disposition manifested
~ Lord Cairns
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