The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-12-21
Important Proceedings at the
TOmbs.
Examination Of Bradley Interesting les
timony-Bradley and johnson Com
pitted to Await the Action of the
Grand Jury-Judge Dowling's
Opinion on the Negotia-
ton Of Securities

The examination was closed in the afternoon and
the prisoners were committed to await the action of
tho Grand Jury, virtually without bail. Judge Dow
ling read written decision In committing the pr-
s0ners. which, as 1t contains matters OF very sug-
gestive and significant character, commands the
attention Of ali persons interested in negotiable secu
rites. |
There Is very prevalent and uncomfortable feel
ing abroad In circles tnat are well informed, that
behEnd these bond robberies and forgeries is con-
ceaed great mass OF corruption and fraud and that
II hnds resting place IN oicia circles IL was more
than insnuated yesterday that before these bond
cases are through the courts the entire system VIII
be unearthed and brought up for Judicial treatment.
TESTIMONY OF JASPER X. HERBERT.
Mr. Jasper X. Herbert said-I am an attorney and
counsellor at law; am counsel for Mr. Johnson IN
this case; since became counsel Mr. Bradley has
called upon me; mad conversation with him; the
conversation related to the bond now In question
(s73) and other bonds. l don't know that either
Bradley or Johnson was the p0ssess0r Of the bond
ct that time; some OF them were in possession OF
ofncers of The law ana other parties. Bradley was
arrested December IL Johnson was at that time In
custody; found Bradley waiting for me day or
two after johnson was arrested he asked me what
Thought Johnson's chances were; o nswered that
| snought they were very fair; Bradley said there
would have been no difficulty about 1t II he had not
'lct his bowels out" for he had implicated him
tBrGdley) In the matter, and that unfortunate
he bradley was doing all that he could to help
Johns0ni Johns0n's implication with Bradley had
very much interfered 18th his ability to help John
son; Bradley said 1t would do no good to cause him
Bradley To BIO arrested, for he could not be held an
hour and a half; he said II was all arranged at
Police Headquarters; he could be discharged in
short times neither Justice Bowling nor Justice Hogan
would not hold him; Bradley asked me what John
aon had stated to his counsel; repeated to him
tue substance Of Mr.. Johnson's statement which
was That he had been applied to by Mr.. Bradley
tWltness here gave the statement In sub
stance Of Johnson's examination on Thurs
day. Bradley SAID that II was all true
and he had presented tho bonds bu, he said IL
wonla rather not be mixed up with 1t at prcsent''
he was afraid that Clarke and other parties would
clear OF; Johnson ought not TO be mterfered with
and should NOT, and that he tB radieyI was doing
and would do all In his power 20 assist him. but
urged that nothing should be done 10 cause hfs
tBradey's) arrest because That would interfere with
hls business. He tnen arranged to meet me al
quarter past seven O'Clock and saw Mr. Bradley
there; he was III close conversation with two gen.
tleman whom did not know, and had no CONVEX
sati0n with him except TINT he stated that ne would
see me next day; do not know Clarke personally;
! saw gentleman IN close conversation with
BY Maaey was Clarke; in my S'' presence cen he
made no effort 10 have Clarke arrested; there was
them il recollect Alright BRADLEY said that he gave
Johnson $4,000 to take up the bonds Bradley said
TO me, IN substance, That II Johnson would continue
70 IL ne would get MIN out OF IT,
am counsel for johnson In the investigation OF
these bOnds have an attorneys interest In getting
johnson discharged; am counsel for Bradley and
another IN cause now pending in the Supreme
(Ourt in this city.
by the COURT did not ask Bradley what he
meant when ne SAID ID now s he s Would arrange y IN
nor hogan would hold him IN hour and half, nor
how he had derived his information as to the
Crosse Examination resumed-Bradley did not say
In connection with justices Downing and Hogan,
any other Judge IN the United States could hold him,
as ne had had no participation IN IT. BY no means
S ne say sns s avs nh in was os sen fna
Johnson had given before Bradley had made refer
ence TO that matter; Johnson told me that he mad
ance OF Bradleys direction; he told MIR. Hutchinson
By the Conrt-Afler he had said that ABOUT Head.
quarters ana Judges Bowling and Hogan, Bradley
did say that II Johnson did not say that Clarke
was the man he bradley would be arrested ana he
could not give up his principals, Clarke and other
for they had gone away; ~ VIII arrange that he snail
be held in small bail. which he could forfeit, and let
they could pay the bail; this waslsad that very even
ing and subsequently.
bond al one he had deposited Tor safe Keeping with
Messrs. Morrison h Co.; the transferring OF that
bond Is not in my handwriting; never authorized
This closed the case for the prosecution.
BRADLEY DENIES HIS GUILT.
Bradley said he was thlrty-1ye years old
was born IN MASSACHUSETTS, resides at the
corner OF Twentieth street and Broadway,
am nc su and the accusation made aasus me-
Ii false and untrue, and emanates FROM johnson and
hts friends, to shclduohnson from punishment due
20 M nnufsv HtOn IA ~
himself guilty on record before Mr.. Justice Hogan
and this court desire to be sworn on my own be-
aalf, pursuant to the statute.
his TESTIMONY. 70 ssass
Bradley was then placed on the stand and exam.
Mr. Herbert on the I'd Of December lie was my lawyer
and whatever conversation had with him il was
IN that capacity; called upon Herbert At MIS- olce
TO see him In relation to the arrest OF Johnson;
heard at this time that Johnson had been arrested;
asked Mr.. HcrDert why Johnson was arrested and
what for; he replied. In relation to some govern
ment bonds, which were not altogether correct or
right; then said 10 him that had been told that
ne yohnsODl had stated that was mixed up, or
connected with hun In that transaction; asked
him II Johnson had made any such statement: hs
said that he had not; then Herbert asked me where
got my information; told him that some one,
could not recollect who had told me there was .
rdmor to that effect; that came to him understand
Ing that no had been employed counsel Tor John
son, and wanted 10 know n such was the case;
Mr.. Herbert SAID that Johnson had made NO such
isSe; he asssa me e. what knew about the csse
told him that knew nothing about the case that
Johnson had told me that he had some diiicusy IN
= loan that he had made for man OF the name OF
Clarke; think Aerbert asked me II knew Clarke;
told him knew man OF the name OF CLARKE,
did not know whether IT was the same one or not
think thpt had remarked to him that understood
that Johnson In speaking about 1t had told him
that Thought 1t would be useless as
did not think that either Justices Hogan
or Dewling, or any other Judge could hold me;
had no connection or knowledge or interest In tins
matter Herbert said that Johnson did not desire
it; don't THINK remember that anything was said
about Police Headquarters at that time; the reason
mat Justices Bowling and Hogan's names were men,
toned was from the TACT that johnson had been
brought up before Justice Hogan: mado an appoint.
to Herbert that evening NJ the Fifth Ave-
nue. HOTEL he said that lie would 20 and tell
Johnson IN the meantime and let me Know
when we met; Herbert asked me II | bad en-
gagged counsel ret; i told him had not;
he taid that lie could appear for me, and wonld dc
1t II would pay him 800, and clear both johnson
AndtnyGef; / had n little conversation with hum
AO-dAy during the recess: SAID that he had sworn