New-York tribune., 1869-03-15

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0, per cent payable in nstaments in n 4S years years Of be
tenants for three years after the passing OF H Hbond
a9 ana II Vas Was df a'3 3Drdmpoa Of an lands sold by the
Commission, and that thltelouti.o va - ~ IL laud
S,,Ic,l ,igbt he left on the security OF tne i!nI
e naneai results Of these operations, Mr. Giad
Stone stated thus: Tho 1.-THE rent charge %ouu @ S,cu
go lands and perpetulty rents 552oooV roy
3io 0Ntota PlGOO OOO the present value OF ihe piop
crty Of the Irish Church or thls tne ul "VuT "nhants
of G8G5OOOO viz: Vested Interests ol eooo 6oo,
st curates ssOOOOO lay compensation SsSgoS,
Communication OF Maynooth Grant ana tle tef eo6n 065
81 100 400 and expenses Of the Commission, 5zO,oDO
Conseguenty there would remain surplus OF between zen
81 Oo0 300 or ssOOOO0; and Mr. Gladstone reused Tue
faggng attention OF the House by the interesting quUS
tioI-W What shall do with III The indSpensaDie S So
dons he held to pe thaI tie purposes 1rsb That
tine surplus applied should DC lIisI, t,I IiII
be anai and open the door to no new controversy;
The division Of tho fund among the c6uiche5 Is NV mUS
yctons OF the people the convictions OF THIS ouse % m
the pledges which have been gwen ana WnlcI iI nor
fu6iled The application OF it 10 education Wouu nos
fan SO directly under the ban as the direct applcatio m
it to religion but TO propose to apply these iuus ~ ,v o
carton WOud i'm the first place, raise just suspicion o
the part of our Irish friends that we were ehutaNi
get duit of the annual grant In the Estimates anu ~ .o
Second ploce il would launch into mutltude OF re-
gious difficulties and would again compHcate lnc Do
tToversy of the National Church with the controversy II II
tle uuSOyed problems OF education. Hear near ~
@ aS IN Preian6 Those who have followed the history OF
the greatest attempts made in public works IN t%eau %
the history OF the Shannon drainage-will hh lhhh,
t tc nrospect opeucd by such proposal as ts Is not
taI @ tc ~ 6oorl I'm fle first place il would
lad tho gay 70 iobbng I'm ireland Hear hearl In the
second place. it would set every part Gi l" @ % ~
possible fraction Of the money; IN the third place. no
what YOU can to promote e9qSny @ must aDy Dy oeE dis
trcts must in great degree tail to snare III u % I,
lastly If this be given in the way OF loan 10 uOo
works each public work having ended, and the money
coming back IL becomes again aVaabe teTe ls no S'O
ccssor immediately entitled to claim It, and should be
OMEN think TO the charge OF great imprudence ana I'M
policy, 10 propose TO make TINS money liy o
of any system Of permanent lending which would nave
he
new proposals perhaps Of the most Objectionable chao
fer peThaps going directly revive present ana
mast c0nroveIsies about religion in Ireland Hear
hear II has proposed to apply it, IN some manner
torailways. Then. again, 1t would be lhpoSslpe o u
to mis- the question OF Irish railways wth the question
Of the National Establishment IN Ireland IliraI, , c. ~
know very well the interest that exists Oh I' s4oIvC
railways and Of public aid to railways IN Ire ma put
also know that That question OF great HcS.,S @ nu
complication and that our duty now ll ny uytu W
q measure for which clam the credit OF manly - 10
make proposal that Is obvious nud clear ~ i.S v
acter, and that docs not involve us Ia tao poI r
OF any OF those difficult inquiries before you can uSoT
minc whethert can be adopted or not hear neGIJ %
will be the duty OF Her MOeslys GONerhhcht 10 6i al,
most carefel consideration In their power TO an plooss
that have been made with respect 10 the IIis. & ran
ways but II would not be uler uGtN 10 laNoNc cit w
selves you in difficulties by muEing that bug'cI
with tho subject before us Hear hear IL las Deeh
proposed lastly, apply I'm relief Of the poor rates
but it appears that such proposal woud be very
At the idea that the land OF Ireland ana the VI
Ireland may derive very considerable benefit rom hy
mode in which this fund be judicously applied lor
the welfare OF Ireland am convinced tnd. ~ w W I;1
run much O II must 20 to them, but DO not thhh la
on that account, Whtn system Vi I'Sdl oplN'''
been regularly cOnstituted-that system OF legal Oo
legation being the satisfaction OF primary want
recognized in almost every country as Ihcum.
bent upon the people OF the country-l 90 hoI
think OF this KIND ought 10 DO HPpnn,u
directly in relief OF property, and think II We Hu 70
apply il, we should be guilty OF great breach OF Idlh
toward the people OF Ireland" Hear, hear After Keep
ing the House some time In suspense, he amour u
quoting the words Of the preamble OF the b; t'al % o
Government had concluded TO apply me surplus ~ Ic
| relief of unavoidable caamtes and suuellhB h' plu
vded for by the Poor law. Proceeding TO delas ~. ~
located &lS5OO0 Tor luratc asylulns' &%VUVV y'I W
idiot asyums, $4,000 to training schools Tor Jlt uc
dumb and blind EI5COO year for the training OF nurses
10000 for reformaOrics, and $1,000 70 county lIh
aTies-in all &3I,O30 year. Mr. Gladstone couCIuucu
his speech, which occupied upward or three hOurr,
/ in "a powerful perOTatiOn which was cbeeIed Iouuy
and long, and while sympathzns WIN tHe ne
! sacrifices the Irish clergy called on 10
make he claimed for the D that though II Loyalty car
ried ont all his pledges. 10 treated them IN liberal ana
indulgent spirit The task one which would test INC
and every individual member, anu by whlch tne
Of the House must be sensby affected Tor gOod or
evil; but, notwithstanding ITS magnitude he was san
that the close OF the controversy was near NJ manu-
Mr. Disraell followed immediately and declared, with
much emphasis, that the opinion or the Opposition
remained unchanged, that Disestablshmeut was
when accompanied by secularzation n-mcro aud
sheer cOnfscatOn. Under ordinary circumstances. hr
should have opposed the Introduction OF the Dill:
but looking the verdict OF the country 90 the general
should have opportunity OF dealing WIN the
question Of the Irish Church, aud 10 the acoh OF to
late Government on that verdict Mr Gladstone Ought
not in fairness to he precuded from submitting his pol
lev 10 tile House He advised his friends, therefore. rot
oppose the notion but lie pressed for delay OF thrce
weeks before tie second reading Mr. Gladstone declined
70 postpone II so long ana nllmaIey mo hGSohu
was fixed for Thursday fortnight, with which arrange
ment Mr. DiSraell expressed himself sauShed Leave
was then given to introduce tho bin, and II read
first time "