Public ledger. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1865-1893, 1869-02-20

$500. and refused to take Colonel Brown.
low note for the same2 IT 80, give II
in full; state when, where, and in whose
presence said conversation occurred:
Al had conversation with Colonel
Brownlow In reference to George K. But
ter. and in reference to Rutter's having
let him have $500, which is correctly stated
in nv deposition given few days ago
before another committee, but the con
versation was not Of the character indi-
Gated in the question. should more
properly say that Colonel Brownlow ha d
this conversation with me.
O.-State the conversation you mention
In your answer at length--give It in fuli.
Ain the early part OF the year 1907
think about May, 1866, Colonel Brown
low, who boarded at my house. and was
preparing to visit Memphis, asked me II
I was acquainted with Rutter replied,
slightly" or to that effect Colonsl
Brownlow proceeded to say: well, he's
the d--iest cleverest fellow ever saw.
he invited me to visit Memphis, and
told him | did not have money Tor was
scarce of money!, aud he let me have
Tor handed mel five hundred dollars"
and added, /" be did not ask me for my
note Cor did not take my motel" Colonel
Brownlow made some other remarks, the
import of which / cannot remember.
The impression on my mind is that he
was unable 20 understand Rutter, or
thought it unaccountable. / did not un-
dsrstand the transaction to be anything
more than loan Unexpectedly made.
Colonel Brownlow did go to Memphis,
and remained about week and returned
When told Rutter few days ago about
this conversation, be laughed heartily,
and said !" 1t will have to come out 10
a subsequent conversation he said he had
given Colonel Brownlew gold-headed
cane and some costly books, but had for
gotten many to whom he had given
money.
n Q.--Are you positive whether John b.
Brownlow said to you that he had re.
ceived from Rutter the proposed loan OF
$500, or did he merely say that Rutter
proposed to lend him that amount
A.-No one can be entirely positive as
to language used so long ago, eut have
stated the impression made on my mind
by the conversation, ss the impression
was made. OF course / DO not pretend to
saw that could not possibly be mistaken
in the language used. have thought of
the conversation often since. aud have
always supposed that Mr.. Rutter had
loaned Colonel Brownlow $500 at that
time.
O.-You have been asked when, and
In whose presence this conversation was
had; please answer fully.
Alt was at the house l occupied IN
front of the capitol, | think. / do not
remember that any one was present; do
not think there was. think it was in
Colonel Brownlow's room, when he was
preparing to start to Memphis. l am by
no means certain as to when this con-
versation took place.
Odd you at any time state to any
body the whole or any part OF this con-
versation until since this investigation
has been set on foot; if so, to whom,
when and where If not, please state
how you come to be summoned before
the Investigating Committee, whether
by yeur own procurement or notY
Al am under the impression that !
have mentioned this conversation repeat
eddy since it occurred, not with view 10
reflect on Colonel Brownlow, but to show
the means used by Rutter TO make
friends and to make himself popular. l
can not remember the different persons
to whom l have mentioned this subject.
About one week before / was summoned
before the committee, / told Mr.. Isaac
Taylor, of the committee, that he had
not reported all of Rutter's operations.
told him that Mr.. Rutter had handed
Colonel Brownlow FIVE hundred dollars,
and had paid twelve hundred and fifty
dollars for the Governors portrait
in the Library. He (Tsylor) asked
me if knew these things to
be true? / told him I did not;
that so far as the loan to Colonel Brown
low was concerned, that the Colonel was
my informant, and / referred him to
Mr.. Dury 1.-THE painter) and to Mr.. Free
man for the facts about the portrait, !
told him these facts would not reflect
upon the Governor, for felt entirely
certain the Governor had no knowledge
of Rutter's designs. He (Taylor) said
something about making me witness in
regard to the loan to Colonel Brownlow.
/ objected to being made witness, and
told him ell be had to do was to recall
Rutter. This COMPENSATION may have led
to my being summoned before the COM
mittee, but it was not so intended by me.
did not desire to be q witness before the
committee, and only came when subpe.
naed.
Q.-You state that Jon frequently
spoke of the conversation, Nov, will
you please state, as well as you remem-
Der, to whom did you speak previous to
the raising of the committee, of which
ir. Taylor =ss chairman; state also
how you happslsd 20 bave the convsrsa-
ton with Mr.. Taylor Wac il npt for
the purpose and with the expectation Of
being or procuring yourself to be intro
duced as . witness In this cause
Al have no DISTINCT recollection Of
any particular conversation such as |
1t TO were my confidential
friends, but cannot designate any pariics
ular one. | never desired to be a wit.
ness; never said or done any thing with
a FieE or beps or expectation Of being
made awitnesg lp tpis case. This re-
to being EitHeFs oaHssd me
to give Mr. Ta ylor the name Of another
Witness for each fact spoken OF.
Q.-You state that you only mentioned
the above conversation to your confden-
tial friends; nov il you only spoke 10
men With Fbom you we're very intimate,
and can not, az yoF say, recall any Of
these names, may Jon net be mistaken
as to the import Of the conversation
which you say you bad with Colonel
Brownlow, and may you not have forgot
ten whether 1t was Colonel Brownlow, or
George r. Rutker or some other partiea