New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-07-22

on the ability and craftsmanship developed In the
late debate and the moderation shown by the OPP
position toward its close The Government thought
some of their amendments were good, some bad, and
others quite nadmissible. He did not consider that
the House of Commons had dealt superciliOusy or
contemptuousy with them; for, out of sixty amend
ments, only thirteen had been absolutely rejected.
He analyzed the amendments having the eff
feet to reGndow what the hill intended
10 disendow, and said concurrent endowment not
withsanding the ability with which it had been sup
ported the Government was obliged to consider
breach Of faith with their constituents, while an
overwhelming majority of the House of Commons
and public opinion opposed to It, In respect to
the disposal of the surplus fund, the more he saw
and heard the more he was convinced that 1t was
observation-disclosures 10 keep the question open, and he
condemned the proposal to keep three millions
dangling before the people to excite and stimulate
agitation He urged the House not to adhere to
these amendments, and proposed the renserhon OF
the words struck out of the preamble of the original
bill.
Lord Cairns complained in strong terms that the
Government had not adhered to Earl Granvle's
pledge that the LOfds' amendments would be re-
spectfuy considered for on the faith OF this prom
Use many who objected to the bill on Its own merits
were induced to vote for the second reading lie
thought Mr.. Gladstone had used language IN the
other House unworthy of himself and of his position.
He contended that of the amendments which had
been rejected all except two had been disposed Oh
without the slightest consideration. The modihca-
tons made in the other amendments were utterly
illusory and unsatisfactory. He hoped the House
would insist on the reservation of the surplus for
future dsposition and on the amendments with re-
spect to curates and to the Communication OF hte-ln-
terests The remaining amendments, beng oil
minor importance, they might give up IN order not
TO provoke needlessly collision between the two
Houses
The Earl Of Kimberley said the Government could
not give way.
Earl Grey thought the words Of the original pre-
ambe were offensive to the religious majority OF
Ireland, and urged the Government to concur IN the
amendment If the bill fell account of its refusal
to yield this point, it would be the fault of the
Government
Lords Halifax, Clanricarde and Shaftesbury sup
ported the Government
Earl Russell favored disestablishment and olsen
dowment subject to existing rights. He thought the
words in the preamble unnecessary and impolitc. If
the real object of the bill was to be declared 1t
should state that decision Of the last election was
against all Church establishments those of England
and Scotland as well as that of Ireland and the ex-
istence of the Irish Church ought to be made direct
issue He believed the preamble was capable Of any
interpretation He thought the grant of globes to
all denominations was the wisest plan for
establishing religious equality. He declared
that he would feel obliged to vote against
the Government on the question of the pre-
amble. Should the bill fail to pass the Government
would only have itself to blame. He thought they
ought to recprocate the conciiatOry disposition man
ifested by Lord Cairns.
The Duke of Argyll denied that the Government
desired to provoke a collision between the Houses of
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and defended the provisions Of the bill not only
lust but generous. SEQ $3.50
The Marquis of Salisbury reproached the Govern
ment party for its change Of opinion with respect to
disestablishment and disendOwment. Before taking
office it held them to DO distinct matters, now 1t
urged that they were bound together indissOlubly.
He believed the adoption Of concurrent endowment
would have been wise and statesmanike. He OPP
posed the preamble and the appropriation Of the sur
plus as a false and foolish effort of the Government
to bind future Parliaments. The Government
wished to guard against the employment
OF the surplus for religious purposes.
He insisted that the Lords had a clear and we'll
defined duty toperfom to themselves in this matter
In resisting the demands Of the Government they
were not resisting the verdict of the country, but
the will of a single individual. They had exhausted
all efforts at Cancellation and compromise TO give
way now would be to sacrifice the independence Of
the Peers as well as the Church
Earl Granville protested against the language APP
piled TO the Government and appealed to the Lords
to support the Government in this grave and critical
moment.
The House then divided on the motion Of Earl
Granville to restorethe preamble, with the following
result For the motion, % against it, 173 majority
against the Government rs.
Earl Granville moved an adjournment in order
that he might consult his colleagues, and at a late
hour the House adjourned
RUMORED WITHDRAWAL OF THE CHURCH BILL
PARLIAMENT TO BE PROROGUED.
It is rumored tonight that Mr. Gladstone will
withdraw the Irish Church BILL and, as soon as the
supplies have been voted, will proropue Parliament
in order to introduce bill at the Autumn session
under circumstances which will cause the Lords 10
hesitate before rcectu2it.
PROSPECTS, or THE CHURCH BILL-OPINIoys op
THE PRESS.
The press to-day is occupied with the subect of
the vote in the House Of Lords Tile Times is satisfied
the bill may be carried this session if the prncual
agents on both sides diyest themselves Of the
passions and prejudices by which they are inAamed
The imminent peril is that the heat of Parliament
VIII be carried into the Cabinet and nasty resou-
ton be taken TO defer progress on the bill until
another session. 10 the distraction Of the country and
the unreasonable peril Of the Church.
The Star says the Lords have rushed upon the
certain consequences Of defyng the national will.
The division Of last night has revealed the spirit in
which the bill has been opposed from the first.
The Telegraph thinks the Lords have virtually
settled the fate Of the bill for this session of Parlia
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