The New York herald., 1869-02-27

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CERTIFY snss sr the and goods ssn weas sas !neea
w, wanted place g ole bonds. collectors asa nSt
the goods were not to be relanded; they S' urs s
Dickinson who was then clerk In uens o,ca NJ, r
the Second district Of New York. asa s 70 once %
e take nsS hs Soaas SonS fss Ss
ne could after two Or three Day cHnson seuosea ss
aepuy as ye,oLs scor e ana 1nc r Of tie rs
was T. L. Laidaw; some n esa now, rs o.ner one
up, also tne bonds and pseper certacates that had
Brooklyn to tet ce5 s papers and took them 70
died; 70 brox<M back the parers With the the
Ss.y saSSo sS aSshsl Sshs the first cialm was about
see William u Near, who resided there. taxing
iss,ei u lrecnmendatlon to him from George II. Ram
Him Hn IN nth t ony knew Frear through me and saw
Freir apout US getting these claims allowed he said
tnaI pe would have TO consult with Mr.. Young,
foung az the Office and said he would be back after
ONCE hours; Young came about four or 1--WE o'clock;
was rather large that IL would attract too much at
tention and advised that It be cut up into three;
ns n sad xpung a thought I they r a the times he
through easier, would be examined quicker
anr woaa Ds a aGwed large claim would
in the presence OF Young about The claim; Frear
knew Young before; did not; this claim was
and afterwards allowed; the large claim had been
certified TO In the custom house by Theriot; pro-
cured the paper from him myself and then went to
Wllwo0uS Office; II was procured by my agency, but
signed by Thenot; after the division into three
don't remember whether they were certified to
again; they Were sent to Washington, passed, and
drafts received and money paid thereon; the money
was % distributed that Wildwood, KOrn and had q
tlird t Of the net proceeds; ten per cent went to
Frear for brokerage; there was deduction OF 1--we
per cent allowed TO Ther0t, and lhere were other
expenses, such as compensation to the collector who
these particular claims except tile ones | have
mentionea the frat thing required in making up
internal revenue collector that taxes had been
paid On CERTAIN articles OF manufacture; for this
ticate few dollars were paid perhaps dfy dollars
the collector; Whimster was one Of the parties and
so was wilson; they travelled about the country for
the purpose OF obtaining these certificates; the
tincates OF korn or q portion OF them were
Obtained Of Aoen Ihayer, Of Massachusetts
no Korn apDeG geGus 70 tS's sosa 81
to see Il they had any claims for collection for
goods that tney had shpped they said yes, and after
had been paid on some goods cf their manufactures;
the aaount was very large, some $4,000 $4,000;
lect the lawful claim; Korn was only acting as the
agent OF Caldwell at the time; Caldwell collected
some OF the Claims, and when he gave up his 0nice
gave up the papers for Korn to collect; l have no
knowledge that the collector suspected anything
wong; have no knowledge OF any facts that would
duplicate any deputy collector for receiving these
cert lcates; shared In only portion OF the claims
presented BY kOrn h Wellwood; Korn said he got
Wildwood for partner on account or his influence
with certain parties in the Custom House; did not
know ar the time by whom their claims were certi
fed, but by a subsequent examination OF the papers
l ind that they were certified to by Therlot; new
partners were admitted after l left Korn; heard
from Korn and Whimster some months afterwards
he had collected and that he could lay his
hands On, ana that they mad lost either $4,000
or 10000; ! knew Whmster when in Caldwell's
Office; first knew OF his participation in tlese
claims upon the government some time afterwards
the first that knew OF wilson In connection with
these claims was IN Cedar street, alter Korn took
his Office IN Brown Brothers building; whinlster
used to have an ollce with Wilson; Lnere was no
sign up; they rad double desk in their room;
used to see them there quite good deal; the first
heard OF Whimster he sad he had shlngle machine
which he was trying TO operate in North Caro.ina;
back claims; commenced going there AFTER Korn
and commenced doing business together, in the
fall or winter OF 1867; IT continued three or four
montbs went there In the fall OF 1867, and when
went there WhimSter was usually there; had con.
versatons with Whimster relative to these claims IN
the fall and in the winter OF 1867, In Broad street,
he came TO find out H l knew anything about
Frear having LETT and stated that Inc had been
interview he came and wanted Inc to put some claims
through and said he would give me percentage II /
would certify to the bonds being flied; told him /
wold; was TO get half after deductlng the expen-
ses; he had the claims and procured the papers
from Laidlaw; do not recoIlecl whether ever
paid Ladaw anything; can identify folr OF these
claims; Whlmser told me that Laidaw's certificate
would not be taken any more IN Washington; he
ports for the same purpose and obtain cert lcates
on claims OF parties such as / had made
ne the cerfiacate that the bond had neea iaa
when got a claim Eade up In this way used to
give 1t to Mr. Wbimster. sometimes in his ollce.
these fraudulent bonds before reducing the cers,ii.
Gates aud o part did not; the Claims were made
out in fictitious names; the drafts were usually pay.
able TO the CLAIMANTS: when Wnrnster cot the drait
he got the money on 1t; my drafts were sent TO nv
Post olice box; in the ilrst cases whimser said he
wanted forty per cent for certain Expenses in WASH
ington; afterwards he deducted nfty per cent:
Whimster gave me check for my share In the 1rst
In ffCfln Sfr ft,a yla
Wilson; 1t was done at the time of the negotiations
with Whimster: Whlms,cr told Wilson to give
bank @ IN greenwich street. the Ocean BanS tbnt: hi
met Wilson there once. but never went with hIm
frnm the onice; Whimster said he gave wilson two
and . half per cent for discountng he estimated
tnat among the expenses; the expenses Deducted
before dividing was nfty per cent; twcnty per cent
paid in Philadelphia, Washington, Baltimore and ali |
oser, to influential parties who put the papers |
through there was I've per cent allowed for Tncrot;
know both Whinsters and Wilson'S handwriting: |
can select the claims that In their handwriting:
have had conversation with Mr. Wilson in regard /
summer he told me that one Of the clerks was away
ana tnat nothing could be done; had conversation
WIN wilson N relation 70 me collectors certncates
a collector In Tltusyille In the OIL regions by the |
name OF McGowan; he said the only way to make |
great deal OF money was to procure certificates or
the deputy collector; that nothing could be done |
without them; said that the only way would be 10 |
get some man TO make seal or several OF them; he
SAID he knew man that we could depend on to |
make the seals; told him II he got the seals the
balance would be easy enough; mad some old Ger.
tincates OF taxes paid, from which copies could
be taken; | was to furnish the ceruncates |
and this man to, copy the seals; | had |
some papers OF James M. Lowering and /
others, and told him that the tracing OF the |
signatures could be done after getting the seal; /
goG some certificates OF rheriot dnring the winters
OF ls63-5-S; l got some blank certificates from |
Theriot for Whlmster-some twenty-five or thirty: |
thcreg was writing on them except Theriot's cef.
t1cate he paid Iheriot about iIity or seventy-lve
dollars for these blank certificates; Whimster wenr /
out OF town about that time and told. me 10 give |
these papers to Mr.. Wilson; | got the papers in /
Beaver street ana gave them TO Wilson IA Cedar |
street; there were about any OF them, and pro. /
cured about thirty; Whmsier spoke OF there being /
an excitement and that Il was necessary pay more
to quiet IL; man had been arrested ut Washington
for presenting false claim with fraudulent |
seal attached, from some collector IN New Eng
land; l believe IL was L0rering, and that ne
had 10 pay some $1,000 TO hush II up; ne called on
me for q share or IL, and $1,000 or more was de-
Quoted from the amount my due; had converse
tlon with Wilson about tho matter and wanted 10
know II Il was so; he knew OF $4,000 having been
Gent to Boston. and said IL really So for he had
IN nav n share OF tt. did not nwnva y,yo tno |