The Charleston daily news. [volume] (Charleston, S.C.) 1865-1873, 1869-06-17
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THE IRISH CHURCH BILL IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.
LONDON, June 14.--In the House Of Pc ers TO-
night, in anticipation Of q debate on the Irish
Church bill, there was full attendance of
Lords. The galleries and lobbies were crowd
ed. and in the streets great throng Of people
collected. In the House many petitions were
presented against the bill. Earl Granville
moved the bill pass to a seccad reading. He
declared he had always thought the Irish
Church was an anomaly and failed to fulfil the
position for which it was intended, that it was
agreat injustice, and should be legislated on
in reasonable, wise and moderate way. he
traced the history OF the suspensory bill
Of last year, ana said the resignation
Of the Disraeli Ministry showed their
acceptance OF the decision Of the coun-
sry in favor OF disestablishment and olsen
dowment. After explaining the provisions OF
the bill under consideration, Earl Granville
continued. The government did not desire to
sever, the spiritual connection between the
Irish and EngIish Churches. He would leave
the explanation Of. endowments to his COL
leagues. He declared there was nothing in
bill. He did not understand that act, but
maintained it was not unalterable, nor. should
it be allowed to stand in the way OF measure
deemed necessary TO the majority Of the peo-
pie and constituencies in Ireland. The bill had
no effect on royal supremacy. After referring
to the threatened opposition, and commenting
on the bigotry Of past times, he appealed to
the bench. and the bishops to weigh well their
course. Nothing was more suicidal than
to point to the principles on which the Irish
Church stands as that on which the English
Church is to stand, for this step was not the
prelude to the 6isestablishment OF the latter.
he appealed to the Opposition to consider the
dignity of the House. and, after due protest,
allow the bill. endorsed by the voice OF the
country, to pass. The House of Peers has
great power for good, but there is one thing it
does not possess. 1t has not more power than
the House Of Commons. 1t has not power to
thwart the national will. 1t was said the
method Of conducting the bill in the House of
Commons was offensive, and the Lords had
been advised to be conciliatory in their pre-
sent declaration. He well knew the value Of
conciliadOn, but there was no necessity for 1t
here, for he would assure the Lords that,
though the Liberal parry adhere strongly to
the policy OF the bill, they would gratefully
welcome and carefully consider any alterations
OF the detail proposed by your Lordships.
More than this he could not say.
Earl Harrowby moved that the second read
ing Of the bill be postponed three months, He
opposed the bill as. revolutionary. and in vio-
lation of the Coronation act ana the act OF
nnion. The circumstances are ipsuficie mt to
justify its introduction. The result would be
to diminish the number Of Irish Ptotestants.
It Was no act of Justice. He repudiated the
idea that its rejection would be running cOun-
the national will. "a The sense OF the coun.
IVA not an the point he be.
ma sonHss ss sestly looking
to aud expecting the Rouse of Lords to reject
the bill. .3e.s;s
Lord Clarendon said he did not reoiprecate
the feeling Of Earl Harrowby as to the result
OF the bill. Smilar forebodings were EXPRESS
ed in regard to the Reform and Free Trade
measures. He believed the sentiment Of the
country had been fully tested on the topic. It
had been discussed for the past year and
half. and was so thoroughly exhau ted and un-
derstood that he was unable to cay anything
new On it. As Protestant he sympathized
with his Catholic ellow-countrymen in Ire
land on the wrongful position in which they
were placed. He never felt it stronger. than
when, he saw crowd kneeling outside Of
hovelwith a handsome parish church close by
unattended. He believed ireland was the
question OF the hour. Her condition had be-
wildered government sfter government. The
universal assent OF the country, and the inn
possibility that such state of things should
continue, imposed on Mr.. Gladstone the duty
Of settling the irish Church grievance.
The Duke OF Rutland opposed the bin, be-
cause it overthrew the rights of property, vio-
lated the religion of the majority of the peo-
pie Of the United Kingdom, and destroyed the
union OF the Church and State. he denied
that the Church was badge Of conquest, and
affirmed that the voluntary system would never
answer. j.
Stratford Redciffe objected to many details
Of the bill. but warned the House mol to sacri2l
flce the substance for the shadow He believed
the passage Of the bin, as it now stood, would
result in irreparahle injury to the Church, and
would not improve tha condition or Ireland.
The relative position OF the two Houses Of Par
lament, however. demanded second reading,
after which the Upper House could amend Oh.
jectionable features. 4
Lord Romily regarded the idea that the bill
would prove the. destruction Of Professionalism
as myth. II would only deprive the crown Of
the nomination. OF some bishops. Il. d j,
TIE TIMES AND THE IRISH CHURCH pnL-EN-
rHUs1AsM OF THE rHUNDERER.
LONDON, June 14.-The Times, on the pros.
poets Of the irish Church bill i'd the House Of
Lords, says: "The week opens with all the
elements Of dramatic situation. The action
is great, the motive greas, and the end cer-
tain. We are convinced the bill will ass to
it's second reading every day It be-
comes clearer.s England, afier an agitation