The Democratic press. [volume] (Ravenna, O. [Ohio]) 1868-1901, 1869-02-18


not on the objection of the gentleman
from Massachusetts Mr.. Butlerl, but
on that made By the gentleman from
Kentucky Mr.. Jones. ,.@.t.s.
Mr.. Maynard submitted that that
was not a question of order, but a
mere issue of facts. - ,El. -.
The Speaker-The point in reference
to the decision of the President of the
Senate must be submitted to that off
Ger when he is occupying the chair
in his official capacity; the Speaker,
does not rule on the rulings of the
President of the Senate, 4 ..r,,,, I'd
Mr.. EIdridge-The difference be-
tween the Speaker of the House and
presiding officer of the joint conyen-
ton can have nothing to do with the
question, except that we are to act on
what was done by the convention, and
the Speaker is aware of the fact that
the presiding officer of the joint con-
yention decided twice against the.
point raised by the gentleman from,
Massachusetts. 5aor all g.-.--.,.'...i,..
The Speaker-The opinion of the
Chair is the same as before announced.
The point on which the two Houses
separated was on the objection made
by the gentleman from Massachusetts,.
The President of the Senate, as the
members know very well, hesitated as
to the construction of the joint reso-
lution,a and finally decided that the
Senate should retire. The decision
and the retiracy We're both on the
point of the objection made by the
gentleman from Massachusetts. a aim
After further points of order. had
been raised by Mungen and Farms.
worth, and overruled by the Speaker,
the question was taken on the direct
question, whether the vote of Geor-
gia should be counted, and it was de-.
cided in the negative by a vote of Al
yeas to so nays, the only Republicans
voting yea being Baker and Hawkins.
The House then disposed, by unani-
nous consent, of considerable routine
business. iI,..s 5Ff,flf.,-s
Mr.. Young, of Ga, declared that he
entered his solemn protest, in, the
name of the people Of Georgia, and
in the name of the constitution,
against the action of the House. p .,a
| The Speaker remarked that it would
appear in the proceedings in the Globe,
but could not go on the journal Of the
| House, ..-..,., .,...f,,,5, / ..,,r5
After waiting patiently about an
hour, and as there was no sign of a
return of the Senate, MIR. Thomas, of
Ind, offered motion which, he said,
would enable the House to extricate
itself from the unnecessary entangle-
ment into which it had got, namely,
to reconsider the vote BY which Geor-
/ gia was excluded from the count. .,ai.
The Speaker-Did the gentleman
vote with the majority, ,,o.,-lsrf lr,ij
Mr.. Thomas-I did. s's.,-s n 55.,S
The Speaker-Then the motion is in
order. "a izn 5.as ...s,.-.. ~; s.-stf,,.,te
Mr.. Thomas-Will the chair allow
me one single moment? =, ~
The Speaker-The question is not
debateable under the joint rule 5,at,,.
4 Mr.. Thomas--I have risen to par
liamentary inquiry. / was about to
4 ask the chair whether it is competent
for the House TO vote to snpercede the
concurrent resolution of both houses.
Speaker--As a reply to that ques-
ton weuld involve a discussion of the
question of what transpired with the
joint convention over which the Speak
er has no power, the chair must dc
cline to answer. The chair can only
answer questions affecting the House.
Mr.. Thomas-I submit the motion
to reconsider, and will let each mem
ber act on his own responsibility ,
Mr.. Dickey-I move to lay the mo-
tion on the table. ~ H. ii 4.1f,
sThe House proceeded to vote BY
yeas and nays. During the vote .
message was received announcing that
I it had resolved that the objection made
to counting the vote of Georgia was
; in order. ss,-,l'r lf.l, Lr,f,t.., fi5,.y .,
Mr.. Wood moved that the further
, taking of the vote be dispensed with
the Senators being in waiting t..-
, The Speaker ruled that tine call aot
!, the roll could not be arrested exeepi
by the constitutional expiration 9.
Congress. s4sIs1.s sgit ~, adj ,t,f l.,f
} Mr.. Butler-No, no, Let the Houss
stick to its dignity. 3at 10 sze9a.Ls .s,l
). The vote was concluded and thu
motion to reconsider was laid on tht
table. kfs...,s sfi glasl...l -,s. ~.
The Speaker, at 4:25, announced
that the House would receive the Sen
ate. ,,,e ir.-. z.s.,,
The Senator's entered the hall fol
the third time, and Senator Wade, a'
Presiding Officer, called the john
Committee to order. He announced
that the objections of the gentleman
from Massachusetts, were overruled b!
the Senate. ..fe a.F lliy, III
Mr.. Butler (renewing the attack i'm
J petously); Mr.. President, rise to {
/ question of order. s.sff sygd OF LrI
The Presiding Officer vainly.a at
| tempting to ignore the question, di
: rected the tellers to go on with tn
:. count of Georgia. n agi4 hi 79aa
) Mr.. Butler, determined not to be Sc
aside in that way, said =, Mr.. Presi
, dent, i desire to state that the Hons
sustains the objections of the gentle
man from Massachusetts, and ! submit
resolution that we donot consider tina
: We, are to be overruled by the Senat
. in that way. daughter and NANTES
: tations of approval and encourage
ment from surrounding members,)
The Presiding Officers with an i'm
D perturable manner1zzThe Chair de
: clines to receive the resolution, and tn
: tellers will make out the statement o
f the votes as directed: ,(Cries of "no,
e eyes," and great confusion and ex
e citement). -'''-.. ; y ''S'''' ''','-'
: Mr.. Butler-I appeal from the .sde
|, cision of the chair to the convention
o We will see if We have, any right
i, here. (Whispers of approval and Ell
: couragemenD.
The Presiding Officer, cahtinnin
\ not to mind Butler, aud adapessin
g the telleps, who were very slow t
It Obet-The tellers Will make the state
8 ment as the concurrent resolution d
n rects.
e Mr.. Butler (determinedly)-Doe
the chair entertain my resolution !! q
/? The Presiding Officer definitely, q
if he felt considerably annoyed)EI d
n not? (Laughter).
y Mr.. Butler-Then l appeal from tn
decision of the chair. roi Gt.9i<
n The Presiding Otticer-zThei ehai
" does not entertain tho appeal. lLaqgl
r. ter and encouragement from the Ser
atorial side of the chamber.
rs Mr.. Butler (persistently )-Does til
l. chair hold as matter of order thi
Y, the Senate can overrule this House