New-York tribune., 1869-06-07

member of the Council As Chancellor have to that
the laws arc executed ana have beside some otheT a
self occupy the hBmbler position, for receive my III
structons from the Minister OF Finance In the Prussan
Ministry of State the instructions which am TO receive
Prusslan member Of the Council considered ana
agreed upon; that this matters Of finance is entirely
according to the vote and decision of the Minister OF
Finances Is q matter OF course"
Count Bismarck continued little further in his
explanation of the peculiartss Of the North German
State system in way that would naturally lead q
foreigner to believe that it must be very Imperfect
indeed to require to defend it like the inventor of
complicated piece of machinery that refuses TO form
its Offices After speeches had been made by two OF
three Others including Baron Won der Heydt, the
Prussian Minister Of Finances, who occupies seat
on the floor of the House member OF the Dlet,
the debate was closed for the day by speech from
Count Bismarck as follows:
GENTLEMEN: We demand bread OF You and yoq give % US
stones You act as II the matter GonceIea you hfTe Won
the interests OF the Representatives ana te fnr
were not identical We make our demands mere h9t ioI
believe that demands are In the interest," OF te pc
S ben 'e reject them That Your duty The welfare
of the people is here concerned which cannot
pc ds cbaHceor neSi least ySD Of all have
interest in the case am not even COMPROMISES iit
IN my Official position through denial. only WISH lhat
nothing should be neglected to avoid the calamity III
which, in my opinion, the Frussan Chambers ana 5 i5
speaker has raised the point that the Confederation s
great interest in Irusslan finances Inls t mo
not very well raised, for it is clearly apparent at %
welfare and adversties Of Prssathe largest Stae %
the COnederauon-are those Of the CONFEDERATION lise
would think something neglected If should fail In all
seriousness, the heavy responsibility Wlch VIII IcsI
were withheld from you. AS the stones when you
offer us, regard such the criticisms OF the Lfnela
Constitution IN expressions which belong to constituent
Assembly. YOu complain Of the defects III me Cohstltu
tion if it otherwise you would vote don't , Know
Cord Cop no bn water with his sta That too,
mug
mend frugality TO MS. How are We TO 10
said" said that tho former Minister Maassen would
have managed otherwise, but he really has mt said how
has only limited that through reduction Of the military
budget a saving was possible. But 10 this end We are
much critical period, at the commencement OF
the 20 years when Prussia was much more heavily pu
dened IN proportion than now dld not tlhk Oh inf
the liability Of the people to military duty heaF, nesr
crisis IN very dlHereht way II you pus @ ou' i
cIsms OF the Government far rs to withhold from the
the Of conducting their business you also under
take the obligation TO take the place OF TINS
Are you prepared for that course oil conduct hko
yours has only meaning IT intended TO ovefthroW he
existing Administration ana take ts pace Ins Ias M
very often been effective, and may, too, hereafter De
TO sell you constitutional concessions You want 70 re-
move the field OF battle To DOnhohs Patz H. g. the frus
sian CLambers Let be candid gentlemen for we stand
with equally heavy responsibility before the people You
want TO obtain Donhofs Paiz the prize that YOU are
NOT sure Of obtaining here 10 seems rs you were sat
sfed with the Federal Constitutions as no one Ol lts
articles is proposed 10 be sacrificed while you lhhk H
fcreutly as rc cards Prussia Is really necessary that
You receive more rights than you now possess Ine
masks that you now wear are only tIaRsienti IOty w.
be the reverse We ministers pay taxes as Wen as 9ou
st we have i'm a greater degree than you the feeling OF
rcsnousibity for tho conduct business This feel
ing cannot exist by certain dHednicism four months
long Tie representative shakes the state right vigorously
ho remaining eight months Of the year he leaves u 10 the
Government TO patch up the tattered garments. rms
want OF continuity for this great assembly must
make us prudent in measuring It's strength II 1t were
permanent why could II not rule M Wen as ministry
named by the bearer OF the croNht
L MT iuf "A Al iorpg
power Of eloqueuce spoke in detail Of the system Of
taxation, and closed as follows:
"Reccpts and expenses must balance either Increase
Of receipts on the most needless cutting down oN
peuses That thereby the public welfare VIII suIcI 90
not doubt but for that yery reason a9 Obliged 70 'aE
oui pure wine for you But do you not trust that the
time between and Autumn could supply me money
hate big words especially In money matters. 90 not
appeal TO your patriotism, but simply to your feeling OF
duty You have come here to labor WIN US ~ Pui's @
into order the establishment OF H9fth neInlh ~,
quest you to fulfill your duty; and fyou demand tat
nseG,' fertile tasks be performed you must give
NE the means otherwise they cannot be procured"
The second DAVIS debate was much like the first
Count Bismarck spoke twice. In the course OF the
frat one he said the Opposition knew no compro-
mise. they only reject and wait until the day OF
Judgment. He was ready to convene the Prussian
Chambers earlier than usual he was ready to call II
immediately for six months more OF the present
state of affairs would be insupportabe. The DleL
too could be called together once more IN his year.
but still cannot anticipate the determination OF the
Presidency. In the meanwhile, to be in the extra
ordinary condition that every grant is denied me-
and not even a compromise is offered" The shortest
and pthiest speech was made by the orator of the
Uouse a member of the Party of Progress DR.. Lowe.
He said:
"Tbe Minister Of Finances Is somewhat milder to-day
than Yesterday and am really graled But the Chai,
cCllOT has discharged such dreadful hlaI shV's lh
am glad Of having strong nerves hbalhht Z Zthci, s ia
threatens with heavy work once more DuI we 9IG Io
afraid Of that lie threatens us with bakruptcy But tne
condition Of affairs s not SO bad as lhRt ys anu te
Minister Of Finances asserts 1t no man In all Europe WI
believe him. will not vote ne taxes; Tor beeNe tnat
Tho sole effective saving Il be made IN the military
But the Chancellor says We VIII thereby be without arms
n he says 80 Europe won't believe him. In lah 90 Wen
drilled for two generations the army tsel can DO over
come laughter, right, and II you laugh at thls You
only prove that you know nothing at az anou inc lrue
spft OF our country. The Chancellor always assures us
an oupoton 10 such suggestions OF his readiness To give
up lis office he should attempt tnis upon ac0hyemehtOp
nartuuy for that we exercise parliamentary Influence
nDnn lis remaining or going, he himself knows best or
an. We say that the military budget weighs so heaMy
upon The people that II cannot further advance. 1ho
chancellor has himself acknowledged that great errors
have been made in financial administrator Inc
Minister Of Finances whom for a long time nave not
noticed laugh SO mcrriy as in this moment laughtcr
rejected ali propositions Tor taxes ike INC pIcsoll u
AT that time the opinion prevails, that II was not adIs
able 10 submit important questions 10 the Chambers Tor
discussion. The solution OF the question men, Is lOGnu
I'm his that we grant no new for the presen that
we do il only when reform OF existing taxes takes place
so that this deficit Will only be covered DS cuB uo"h
the expenses Of the Army budget bravo? leip',
Count Bismarck closed the debate by replying to
Dr. Lowe, as follows:
The last speaker appears to have been pretty sharpy
cut by what said yesterday about eloquence lLh9gn
teri He draws upon his imagination to ind eXplcssioh5
intend 10 adhere TO strictly parliamentary system 10
prevent parliamentary power from becoming 700 sIons
the dangers OF detaneism in politics II the strong over
balancing power lay In the parliamentary assembly as II
with his ectc,7Di ecnseo against the army budget
would venture to 90 surety tOr the security o to