The New York herald., 1869-02-27

rons,,,o called gor Il anu nau lno,o ,nan "a A.,
napcSes between Mr. Harvey and Iaese Motban tbam
Mr. Lincoln said ne had rseoliecsaon es,s rs they
Sna were &c caeS and the very s was cp the
top Of the pile was the importaos "a-"
Mr. Harvey hat referred 70 III s Jettar from MT ,shon hon
correspondence for Mr. Seward. Mr. rame.om M and
Mr.. Lincoln. Mr.. Lincoln had the corr .snondence
, ID MS possession at the very time the telegraph
nose Mr. Of procuring
Mr. Harvey had been a.ccessful in preventing trouble
vous " 81 Sou,bs during the war; was the rendez,
n tss sass fstS99 ~ Sao l0 and mad
nisn-a vast amount cf Information to the govern
hent including charges Of stupendous frauds per.
a y tSs NsS % him
Tode and had asked him to have u brought before before
,ngress to sbpY wherein he lad been useful, wae 10
W Washington. Sa1 s Mr. Harvey needed Ss Sa es Sss
poor. lie had rendered his services faithfully He
had made mistake In writing tne letter compaaneus ~
men In the country In both houses who were trying
to agree with MIR. Johnson. He hoped ne would %
Mr.. scHENcK, trep) Of Ohio, said:--.1t strikes me
that the gentlemen are discussing, Iot the question:
between Mr Seward ropren9g the sdmln,s MMcr
seemed good to 1t, decided that SO far an appropra
tion for the purpose was necessary 1t would not
Congress decided that again and again. Mr.. Seward
or the administration, lnsolentiy, denantly or
sentaye there Under the Constitution the Pres
dent having the power to appoint ambassadors and
other diplomatic representatives kept this gentle
man in olice but he fully apprlsed OF the fact
that the law making power and the money appro-
priatng power had decided not to keep up that
csrned. And now We are called e go back
on all Of this Wnys o,1 Because ana j it T. said
Rye Rsy faa' is this no Is dso debt dqs e Mr. service
performed on his part when he knew that no pay
was to be given for it, we are called upon to do 1t
because he has served US we That does not enter
into the question. We are called to go back and
consider the question whether Congress ought TO
time was satisfied and am satisfied now that Con-
gress did right Bat that Is not the question. The
question i Mnen the w ana n
Minlsfer az the the court o. Portugal i should be
and with bated breath and In whispering humble
ness say to Mr.. Seward ana to the administra-
therefore we not only forgive that for which
you deserved punishment, but we Will sane.
ton It by backing out OF our position" posi-
now made up. Disguise this matter as you Will.
turn you may, the question IS simply this: Snail
the Congress of the United States be called upon at
government, for services which have been rendered
without any sanction and against the notice OF Con-
gress and against the mtlmation that Congress did
not intend to pay for them Is this TO be done be-
cause Of some sympathy to be got up or some ques-
not right originayS That Is the light In which the
question strikes me. That is the issue which we
have before us, and that issue will refer TO the
only means by which can rebuke MIR. Seward for
his ins0lence and defiance OF the law-making power
by saying, we win not pay your man, no matter what
character Of services he may nave performed you
had no business to keep him there.
Mr.. SpALDING remarked, in reply to hts colleague
Mr. Schenck) and to the gentleman frcm WiscOn-
Sin Mr Paine, that however much ne admired their
pluck all men had occasionally to take the back
track. He had already said tnat ne nad been prn-
cip ocfor in ffla cpop n
TO call 1t tragic or c0micl. In his Judgment the
House had acted wrong in that matter. The Commit
put in the diplomatic appropriation bill the salary
for the Minister to Portugal Was that not an act Of
Sad as s GUn
still suspended? Congress.had never had the power
to remove him and the Executive never had removed
him. His pay had only been suspended for couple
Of years and then 1t had been restored.
Mr.. SCHENCK-I admit the full power OF the Presi-
dent 70 appoint diplomatic agents, and | admit
equal power In Congress to say whether or not 1t will
pay such agents.
Mr. sPALDING went on to argue in defence OF the
o. the Committee on Appropriations had agreed on
1t. He had expressed his hope that the House OF
Representatives w0ald not continue to perpetrate
what he regarded as fundamental error.
Mr. CHANLER declared that the arralgnmcnt OF
Mr.. Seward, coming from member OF the
republican party, was base fngratltude. Mr.
Seward was the Prospero OF that fiction OF
q political organization. 1t was his wand that
had created their Caliban and their ARIEL and
had sent them around the world. Mr.. Seward
was their master SPIRIT and the members on the op-
posite side would not be IN their positions to-day
had not his mind found for them the dogma Of the
.'irrepressibe conflict.n The renegades from the
democratic party-the mock militia men who had
the house while the battles were being fought In the
feld-would never have had an existence but for
him. That master mind had left them, and
they were wrangling over the remnant OF their
power. Had they no greater object in view than to
sting one another to death like snarl Of snakesa
Mr. BUTLER, (rep.) OF Mass, expressed his pur-
pose to vote against the appropriation Tor Mr.. Har
vey. Congress had declared It's judgment that tnat
gentleman was not q proper representative OF the
United States to q foreign court He did not pro-
pose now to discuss whether Congress was in the
right or IN the wrong but whenever u came to the
the will OF Congress the government would have
come to bad pass. IL members wished to stand
by the privileges OF the House and OF Congress and
by the rights of the people, to control the Execu-
tive and to direct the government they should vote
against 'i It il Hr Harvey were % personally the BEST
man that ever lived, or II the President who under
took that experiment were the best President the
c0uptry ever had. Under the British constitution
q single vote OF want OF confidence In an officer set
that ioicer out at once; but here for years In sue
cession the House had voted want OF confidence
In this executive officer, aud now members were
asked TO stutify themselves and to pay this man
his salary when he had remained In of1ce In den-
Mr.. WAsnBuRNE inquired whether the House had
not voted want OF confidence In the President OF
the United States and why the gentleman from Mas
sachuses did not refuse to vote an appropriation TO
pay his salary.
q MT. BUTLER answered tnat tnat was Dec0usc tHey
had placed that want OF confidence before the only
tribunal known TO the constitution and had been
overrued BY that tribunal. From that hour the Pre-
sident must be held free aud acquit. But this was
different case IL was the bounden duty Of the Exc
cutive, according to the theory ol the government,
70 have Withdrawn Mr.. Harvey II he chose to keep
him there he had the power TO do so but the House
had the power to say whether II would pay him.
Mr.. HiGBY, trep.) OF Cal, said that the House had
acted on full In orrnation, and had not heard any
thing to the contrary since then. lie admitted that
an error should be corrected, but did not see tnat
there was any proof Of error In that case.
Finally the vote was taken on Mr.. Maynard's
motion to strike out the paragraph, and the motion
was agreed toll to 5S.
The committee then rose and reported the bill and
amendments to the House. Laid aside for future
action.
Mr. LAFrIy, trep.) OF N. ", tried to obtain the
floor on the question OF publishing the debates, but
failed.
REPORTS OF CONFERENCE COMMITTEES.
Mr. SrALDrSG from the conference committee
on the Naval Appropriation bill, made report,
which was agreed to-.
Mr.. scHEycK, from the conference committee on
tne Dill TO allow deputy collectors and assistant as
SCISSORS OF Internal revenue acting collectors and
assessors the pay Of the collectors and assessors
made a voq In