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over, when the loss of time, neglect OF
other work, wear and tear of mules,
wagons &C., are all considered, it may
we'll be doubted whether fcansters con-
fning their time aud attention exclu.
sively to sranling, could not dothe work.
cheaper than7thc planter cant Aa'ims
portant feature in this matter of constant
and protracted hauling is that it has to
be done inopportuuiely, in season and
out of season. both as to weather, ptans
tatiou work and plantation near q de:
pot can select a part of.a day at any
season, when,the Lweather.is, good~and
plantation work slack, but there is no
such possibility for oft recurring trips
of two or three days each. - ..''' -
Second, In this day Of telegraphs,
steamers and Rail Roads, prompt ac-
ccssibility to market isa neoessisy-an
advance Of farthiag in cotton in Iiv,
erpool, the great heart of the cotton
world reaches almost every obscure town
in this western world beforeth, hour of
the day has arrived here at which it'hap-
peued, a planter whois week removed
from realizing the benefit of such an
advance, might as we'll be, as to be out
of the world. AS an illustration, I was
present at meeting in community
twenty. FIVE miles from Camden, on a
Fridoy, when the planters learned of
on advance on the : Wednesday, befere,
of two cents pound on co,ton-they
generally determined to avail them
selves of it, Tuesday following, the
earliest practicable day, found several
of them in Camden, when"the adTance
had been entirely lost, and thisscason
1 have known the delays Of two days
transportation to cost the planter a loss
of FIVE cents pound on his cotton. BEG
-, ,.a.a.. -. HANGING Rock
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THE JOURNAL.
CAMDEN, NOVEMBER IL, 1869.
To 0ur Patrons.

Itiswell known to our friends that
It has not been our custom to dun them
through these columns, but We are re-
lsc,an,ly compelled to deviate from this
sustom, and now earnestly urge all in
debted, to call at once, and settle their
accounts. The great end we have in
view, in conducting the journal is to
make it a welcome visitor to every house
hold, and to do this requires money, as
sll ourcxpenses have to be paid in Cash.
Wo are encouraged to hope that this
esllwill not be unheeded, and that in a
short time, no unsettled accounts will
remain upon our books. ..
To those who have puuc'ually paid
I'D enabled US to keep our little bark
aaoa., We tender our warmest thanks.
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From the Lancaster Ledger.
The Rail Road Meeting.

An adjourned Rail Rad meeting
was held at the Court House on Mon
dry last. The Chairman resumed the
Chair aud explained the object of tht
meeting. The regular Secretary being
absent, r. 4 Allison was appointed
pro- tenn. A number of the delegates
to the Camden Convention being present
made encouraging reports
On motion of Evan Rullinss, ESQ.
the following resolutions wero unan.
inlously y adopted:
Rcso eet'', |. That the action Of the
Delegates to the late Rail Road Con,
tontion at Camden, held the 9th ult.,
receives the appreciation of this meeting
asd the same is hereby ratified.
2. That it be eubmittcd to vote Of
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the people in the several Townshipa Of
this godnty whether the sum of $780,:
600 shall Be raised by the issue of Couu:
ty Bondto be employed in the building
Of BE Wsteee asd North Carolina Rais
8nTbaE tho vote be taken by ballot
and that The same be taken in the scve.
raj Townships Of this County on the lst
Saturday in December next, at the
places respectively where the township
officers were elected te be held by man
ayers appointed by the chairmah OF this
meeting: Those voting in fayeref The
subscripeioh-of 500, 600 aforesaid. writ
ing upon their Ballo,s .Rail. .Raass".. and
Ihpse opposed mo Rail Road 3,15
f4!rfhdtiGnisA AiaRcly aftsr-sheseiesins
of the Pullsin the several Townships
the votes be counted and the rcsslt ccr=
tilted by ;rbeeG eGoanty ), Commissioners.
l. s.: That "a number .uf ccantasssfs be
appointed by, the, .sbair 70, sanvaSsssrthe can
RESPECTIVE townships, during the motlH
Of Nofembep HI advocacy Of theRail
,hssml hrr ;1ecdo % AoT't'i 2a'". L7i
.. The; e;folidwunG resolution :.oHetedsby
Wm. Black Esq j, WINS. adopted ,li4aa
rRrsoleed,, That the, ,ehalr'nap ef thl,
meeting SSbpoiut a committe bf eight
ode ftoh tatk township, whose ddty ii
shalt be to-hearp propositions, andlo tUn-
slider all unttersAppertaiaipg 10 Rail
g9ads, in tbisI county; to, call meanings
Of the citizens when they deem, i. .ad-
SisaSle, aud SUBMIT tie sestit ,.Tf ftlelf
1idgEbefadohs4 To said meetings foif actibh,
said conitnitteeito be presided aovetsty
the chairman Of; this, meeting, aud,io
act in conjunction with, the, executive
committee appointed at the Camden
Convention:
zdiDf. Nh. Srait0fered the following
which wasun'niIpously adopted ,9sres
r., Reseirsd,, That II Is in, the,opiiiioh Of
this meeting ippracticablerto !e9gagslip IN
d Raif Road project from here to George
town 1t tkisitime, but that as soon i': ias'
GhartorshaH have been ob'aintdi from
Georgssova ytai .Bishopville foqtiiis
place, it will be our. duty, as yell as our
interests, to engage heartily y!iF ip the CON;
stfdctloni Of said Road, and We viii hail
with delight the completion of tho
,sa,be:yaG.g r5raf ID; 7Gi fDisG7 ispL
On mofign of Mr. Black .itawasrhen
resolved that the chairman ma appoint, tho
/ times and fiaces for the cauyassers 70
| meet the people, ~,
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last he assured them they had used
most judiciously. lie drew most vivid
pictures Of the wrongs done during
slavery5by the cruel white msp te the
northern man, {he did not say carpet bag
ger) they were made equal wiehtheir
former masters, they should, iathT than
not. sikcepedsgn" the mastefs whe had
so lons rfoddtif them uuder :foet" He
then assur>d fhe Company "that they
should berthe first chartered company
of negro soldiers that ever dared to walk
the s,rtcfs Of chRrleston That lie was
authorized by the Chief Executive Of
the State to. tell Aich they should re-
ceive arms, that they must use them
well when called upon, and must carry
them to the, balletlboR1 Unnecessary to
bring in. their candidate lie ealgrat-
ulated them also upon the success Of: the
laaststr{o5kc| Of the Longshorchsn, tdlids
them Unmarked d glorious cpdch in'the,
history Of tho country for 1capitaf had
been dictated to by labor and theycould
now feel sure that they, bad everything
under their rtontrul. That LAST, bit Tas,
very we'll deserved on our part, and. if.
the consequence Of thar strike IS coy
tinual annoyance and loss tothosc weak
merchants who yielded to the demands
of the ,Longsheremen, it mayYeyentu:
ally be benc6cialby teaching them where
their interest lie. ''''' ,.'' " :.
az The other speeches were '"all"6f .
piece" with the rfrst.a'Bewen snarled
a little, apd thanked tf'the esa0smenifor
calling upou him. and ,Neaglc advised
fthem to keep up, their organizations
4 and be; true to them Advice, which
ought to serve as a7hiaSSto a Us to'do
! likewise. Organization isThatwe1eed,
and it is tue want of itthat has hitaerto
tied our hands. We should take a les
son of our adversaries and organize
upon strictly party basis 1.-The effect
npon the state Gf affairs -ando The Gov
ernment in this Stato'has beenSeryodis.
astrous upon commerce, and, in, the mo,
ncy, market, and until we get the Gov
ernnIent into the hands Of responsible
representative men, Tthere'will be very
little comfort and no stability or pros
perity amongst Us. Can not oar people,
old and young wake up to that fact?
I'f--'': -. 0UERCUs.
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needs hands to execute the masters DE.
signs, they are willing to pay suehsa
man the value of his services and treat
him well. 81 IS
!: Let your missionary takeAis fine eyes
off of Africa" coudesccnd to- take
hin in hand, "Thc> HeAhen at BIS
own door" he mast by tlfc'powerof truth
aet The full blaze IF the christian faith
upon his mind already touched by the mo-
raj teachings of"Confucius" and strug.
Cling through dark ways BY the dim re:
ligious light that "Bud hs" gives him.
EDWARD M, BOYKIN,
- ~ i Il Chairman.
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New ORLEANS


Agents Of Kooptsanchsp & Coz
. GENTLEMEN We wish you to"fder
for our account fom Mcssrs. koopman-
chap & Co., China. a.--Chln laburers
to b, delivered to n = agent ----Nrw
Orleans, in,'eeordance with the above
contract, and when delivered, or any
portion of thcm.--- hereby obligate
and promise to pay you the amount
as uckno~led gcd to be due You by the
laborer, aecor3ins 10 said contlact, pro-
vidcd IT docs not amount to, over one
hundred and thirty dollars (Sl3O) IN
gold for each and every hborer so dc.
livrrcd, aud to be received imnrdiately
on arrival at this port on board Of the
ship or vessel transporting them. or
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Sale of Real Estate.

b. permission Of ]. F.. Sutherland
Judge Of Pr"batc, 1 will expose for
sale before the Court House door in
Camden on the first Monday in Deceu,
Der between the legal hours of sale, alf
that parcel of Land, known as lot No:
ll49, with all the improvements there,
on situated North west corner of Church.
and York streets, known as the proper.
ty of Douglas Minton deceased.
Terms made known at the time Of
snle. -. Il" 's
a.,. J. L. MICKLE,
Adm'r.o =.
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Survivors, Association.

A meeting of the survivors of the
Confederate army was held on Monday
last in the Town Hall.
Gen. j.. B. Kershaw was called to the
chair ard James NJ. Davis requested to
act ~ Secretary. .,......
The Chaicman having explained the
object of tie meeting, and that in his
opinion delegates should be sent to the
meeting to be held in Charleston on
18th inst, a number of delegates were
elected Gen. j. B. Kershaw, Gen. j.
D. Kennedy, Capt W.. Leitner, Capt.
w. L. DePass, J. G. Moaitt, .W.Cly-
lurn, Dove Segars, A. "A. Moore, j..
n. Davis, w. N. Shannon, John Dolby,
WIN. Whitaker. e. ..a..t . ....a
On motion Of Capt. DePass, the meet.
i"g then organized under the name Of
the "Survivor's Association of Kershaw
District" Gen: j. B. Kershaw Pre-
sident. Gen. j. D. Kennedy, Capt. W.
O. Leither, and Capt. W. L. DePass,
Vice Prcsid' nts j. NJ. Davis Secretary,
and A. A. Moore Treasurer. -...,. q.
On motion of Col. w. NJ. Shannon,
committee Of seven were appointed to
draft constitution and by laws for the
government of this Association to re.
port at meeting to be held on the goth
of December next. Committee consisted
of w. NJ. Shannon, j. D. Kennedy
w. z. Lcitncr, w. l.. DePass, s. Ba
rach, S. Lurick, and A. A. Moore.
On motion of the Chairman, Colone
Shannon was requested to deliver pub
lie address at ! o'clock in the evening
ofthe Goth Of December. Col. Shan.
non siSniGcd his cheerful acceptance Of
the appointment. .
On motion of T. Il. Clark, it was
Resolo.d, That supper be provided
for the members ofthe Association and
its guests, after the address, and com.
mittce Of ten appointed to make neces-
sary arrangements. Committee consist,
cd Of T. H. Clark, DR.. A. W. Burnct,
Allen Deas, j. T. Hay, W. Whiliker,
J. G. Mpffi.t, James R. Arrants, S.
Lorick, John puby, and DR.. c. J. Shan.
non.
On motion Of W. l. DePass those
present wishing TO join the Association
were requested to. enroll their names
with the Secretary. This motion adopt
cd. .'"
The meeting then adjourned.
J.B. kERSIIAW, President.
J. NJ. DAVIS; Secretary.
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FOR THE JOURNAL.

WetcFee ana u. Y. Rafl Road.
~ No II.
IN my last number, I suggested two
points in couneoison with this proposed
Rail Road for the consideration Of your
readers intcrestcFin The subject. In
this brief article, I beg to submit two
oshers: 81 .''.'' e -.'' -.''
First, II is Impossible for planters
fifteen miles from a Rail Road to CON-
pete with those near one, for they have
to.pay ten to twcnty per cent. more on
most articles Of consumption purchased
and realize on their crops sold, except
on cotton, a corresponding loss, cotton
being more valuable commodity, the
per centagc oficost in transportation is
less. Thus, ton Of Phosphate in
Camden, is worth seventy dollars, 1t
costs a planter twenty miles eff, ten dol.
lars per ton to haul iS this is 142-7 per
cent. ton of corn costs, sayr the same
amount and furnishes the same per
eentage Of additional expense !; ton of
salt will cost about twenty dollars, and
will cost nearly fifty per cent to deliver
tit costs ten per cent. to deliver iron,
the great necessity Of the planter, and
upon forage, the cost of transportation
is almost prohibitory. 1t is true that
this hauling is mostly done with the
teams and labor Of the farmer, but the
true test offs value is the market value
of the price ofsuch hauling, and moro.
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.io2 --latest Cotton Qiotations.e
4iGAMDEN-24l4:l = >H ,H'ia hhs
trCuAaLEsToN-25 o'e 81 l@:i;ea 70.
.BALrlMoRET2S..o4 ii; .has s1gt
NEW YoRE-& 1.8. .a..s tsaas0r
LIyERpooL-l2 lsSdt y.iig ,sfi'
SHERIFF,S: SALES
SHERIFF's OPTIC

CAMbEN, SC, Nov. ii, 1869.
DYvir,uc Of spudry writs Of &. ia. to
ID Dlea dilessed and lodged. I will
pruccci toseh in front Of the cotfte
House in Camden, on the first Monday,
and sixth day Of d, cember next, Kiti,in
the legal hours Of sale, the follyying;
lucutiontd and described property io:
Wits. ilG3@ 's.5'sF1 eh3f' 'a'!'.'>'"'5
Ono Tract OF Land in Kersllaw CounT
ty, on waters of Black River, contain.
ing Three Hundred Acres more orle~s.,
bounded Nurth by Lands Of j. j. Hall,
West by Lantls of 3. J.s Stok,s Lct
vied uponi rs the property Of Joha'
Stokes. deceased at the ,suit of j. j.
Hall, Admir-. III .e76s.rtl!5Sa ..,nss
One Tract of Land on waters cf satiic
| in Kemhpw County, cortaining Two
! Hundred Acres, more or less, bounded"
I North by Lands ofrhe Estate dfaRichard
Hya'r, East by William Scntt, South
by Angus MeII,skiA, West by Estate
of Richard Hyatt. Levied upon as. the.
pr"perry Of fhe Esta'5 % John Stokes
decea>ed, Mt shc su6s of J, J. Hall, Ado
mirisirator.,r,. ~ tis,, a. .sae*.:'l
| ,-,:..s --ALso- il. . s. E..
| The interest of Jas. D. Stapl"y in ono
Tract Of Land in Kershaw County, on
waters Of Beaver Greek, knownas the
George Hammond Place, adjoining
Lands OF Estate of D.. b. HUDSON
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The best friend of the black man
(and your committee would respectfully
submit that they yield to none in the
estimate of lis t,ue valuc) sl,uuld desire
something that forces upon him u re-
cognition or The obligation of labor for
his own benefit. They have every rea-
son now for thinking that they have
the game in their own hands, thut they
can dictate what terms they plcase. not
only charging for their labor more than
capital can bear, but rendering all crop
results uncertain by striking at criti-
cal time. in: its cultivation; nothing is SO
sensitive to this uncertainty ssagricul.
turc -.. ....
f. In Louisiana the decided steps taksn
10 introduce the Coolie and the fact
that they have already seen snme is hav.
ing good effect, making tho better
class of negroes satisfied with their CON:
dition and disabusjng them of the idea
that by monopoly oi Labor and "Lceis,
.luton" they arc mpsiers Of the situa-
ton Phcy have it is true a monopoly
Of legislation but if we keep in our own
hands control of lnbnr, giving capital
and the intelli gencg.,hat controls il, its
due influence VIC need not fear the re.
suit. Legislation can be bought as rca.
Oily to-day as the ''rottcne>t", borough
that ever was sold in England in the
time of Walpole himself.
The Chinu,nar will come there is no
doubt, he will cnme aforthe bestof all
reasons because he is wautod and ought
to como. ....:, .....
. The white intelligence Of our country
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Administrators Sale.

IN 0BATE:-Manitowoc County Court
L In the natter of the estate Of Henry Ber-
ner, deceased
Notice is hereby given, that by virtue and
in pursuance of an order of license, made in
said matter, en- the l3th day of December, A..
d. 1869, by the County Court of said County,
the undersigned Administrator of the estate
of Henry Berner. deceased, will, on Monday
the "a b day of January, A. d. 1870. Mt ten
O'clock in the forenoon of said day, at the efseo
of the County Judge, in the Village of Mani,
towoe, in said County, offer for sale, at pablic
vendGe, the following described lands, to-wit:
III that part of the east half of the s, nth east
quarter OF section NotweHty five (25) of town.
ship No nineteen( IS north OF range No enty,
three (23) east except part decided by b
Jones TO +. Reideick of thirty seven and one
half { 81 1-21 acres, and excepting apotLer
piece decided to George Sehugart of twenty
(20) acres, also excepting lots fifteen and six
teen H. and O. in Berners re.sub-division OF
lots one and two and . in the subdtyisioR
of the south east quarter of said sec,lon No
twenty-five (25)
The terms of sale will be made known at
the time and place sf sale.
MARTIN N0LLENDU R ,5,,;.;a..or.
CHARLES HAUKOHL.
Dated at Manitpwoc, the 18th day of De-
cember. A. D. 1859. 23-3&
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IN PROBATE. Manitowoc County Court.
j In the Matter of the estate of James Menu ty
deceased.
On reading and fling the petition of Rosana
McNuity OF said county, representing among
other things that james McSuaty. iatc q said
County, On the 9TH day Of December, A. b.
1863, at his residence i'll said county. died in
testate, leaving goods, chatteis and estate
within this State, and that the said petitioner
IS the widow Of said deceased. and praying
that administration Of said estate BE- to her
granted, it is ordered that said petition be
heard before the Judge Of this Court, on Mon
day, the .th day of January, A. u. 1870, at
10 O'Clock A. NJ, at my Office in sail county.
Ordered further, that notice thereof be
given to the heirs Of said deceased aud to all
persons interested, by publishing Il copy of
this order for three successive weeks prior to
said day Of hearing, in The Manitowoc pILoT,
weekly newspaper published at Manitowoc,
in said county.
GEO. W. BARKER. County judge.
Dated Mantowoc the 18th day of december,
A. ID. 1869. 22-3t
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Edwin NJ. Stanton.

Tue old injunction, which bids us to
speak we'll of the dead, should have pc
cullar force on Christmas day. When
commemorating with festivities and rcioic
ing the birth Of Him who brought peace
on earth aud good viii TO men, partisan
bitterness should be forgotten, and men
who have recently been called on to yield
the ghost, spoken of with as much of char
ity and kind ness as can be permitted by
just estimate of their character.
For the seven or eight years last past,
Dir. Stanton has been regarded By the re-
publican party as statesman and patriot,
and democrats have thought that his ability
as secretary of war vas over estimated by
his admirers, and that he was tyrannous
and cruel when invested With power. He
did not acquire a national reputation until
1860, when he was appointed BY President
buchanan attorney general, in which posi-
tion he exhibited the same qualities for
which he has since been distinguished. He
was man oe resolute will, great energy,
nhd Va A@iS NASCuNtfb dbitIt9. hS z iaWyer
he won distinction in Ohio, Virginia, and
Pennsylvania at an carly age, and in men
tai capacity was the peer of the eminent
judges with whom he would have been
associated in the supreme court of the
nation had bis life been spared.
He was born at Steubenyille, Ohio. in
1915, and when lad moved with his pa,
rents from there to Cupepper county,
Virginia. He entered Kenyon college in
1888, studied there about q year, and then
entered law Office. He removed to
Washington some three or four years be.
fore the commencement of our late civil war
and was appointed by Attorney General
Black to go to California aud defend the
government in certain land cases Of great
Importance then on trial in The courts of
that state.
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4 DAIINIS TRATRIX SALE. In Prob tie -

A DMINIS ISTRATRIX SALE In Prob tie -
"A Manitowoc County Court,
In the matter OF The estate Of Frederick
Lang, deceased
Notice is hereby given, that by virtue and in
pursuance Of an Order of License, made i'll said
matter, on the Doth day Of pecember A. ID,
1869 by the County Court of said Cuunty, tho
un iersigned Christina Lang Administrators of
the Estate of Frederick Lang deceased, will ,
on Monday the 10th day Of January \. ID. 1s,1
at ten clock in the forenoon of said day, at
the office Of the County Judge, in the Village
Of Manitowoc, in sad County, offer for Sale, at
Public Vendue, the following described Lands
to-wit The undivided Of neg of nwq oft he
nh of SEQ of nwq Of Section one Town l3
Range 23 in tie County of Manitowoc.
Tie Terms of Sale Cash down
CHRISTINA LANG, Administrators,
Dated at Manitowoc, the 9th day of Decem-
Der a. d 1869 22-3t.
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PROBATE:-Manitow County Court.
Il In the matter of the estate of John Anton
Miller, deceased.
On reading and fling the petition Of John
hraus Administrator Of the Estate of said de-
ceased representing, among other things
that he has fully administered said estate. and
praying that time end place be fixed Per ex-
amning and allowing his account of his ad-
minisration, filed in this Court. 1t is OF dered
that said account be examined by the Judge
OF this Court on Monday the l7th day of Jan
uary, A. ID. 1870, at 10 O'Clock A NJ, at the
Office Of the County Judge in said County.
Ordered further, that notice thereof be given
to the heirs of said deceased and to all persons
Interested, by publishing copy of this order
for three weeks prior to said day of hearing, in
t1e Manitowoc PILoT a Weekly Newspaper
published at Mapitowoc in said County,
Geo. W. Barker, County Judge
Dated at Manitowoc TIE 9th day of Decem
Der A. D. 1869 22-3t
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Naples and it's Surroundings.

On Thursday evening. Col C. d. Rob
inson. OF the Green Bay Adrocate, deliver
el lecture, at McCourt's Hall, the SUBJ
ject being, Naples and its Surroundings
1t was descriptive account of the lecturer S
visit 20 that renowned city, and the his.
toric ground surrounding it. 1t was pleas
antly written, the writer happily describing
the peculiar characteristics of people and
climate, and in a familiar chatty manner
giving a near and very interesting pano-
ramic view Of life in Italy Col Robinson
wrote from personal observation, and being
well versed in historic lore, was able to
associate the past and present in his de-
scriptions and conclusions in a manner TO
give unusual interests to his lecture We
cannot do the subject justice in the brief
alluSion here made to it; and must content
ourselt with thanking Col. r. for the very
agreeable and instructive entertainment
given our people. The lecture will bear
repeating, aud be more than acceptable 10
any community.
We find the above in the Oshkosh Times
of the 22d inst. We re informed that
Col. Robinson has been engaged by the
Jones Llorary Association, to deliver this
lecture to the people of Mantowoc. Mr..
Robinson is perhaps the best lecturer in
the State, and should he come to Mani>
towoc, he will have a crowded house to
talk to-