The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-11-18

WAS upon tue SUNNY IVOAtaS 80 ~ - ~ ~ '''A"SN
WHAT said l. Joking s'your Iordsnp, Roman
prelate praise country IN whlch thc STATE feeos-
lis answer. which / maie note OF when got
home, Nas;-"ll ever tue Holy Fatler ana the
whole Church have tho power TO do SO, they
win put our blessed religion throughout the
world on tho same footing IA 1t Is IN tho
tinted states. The union between Church aud
State In ollen times was necessity, but III our DAYS
II merely means interference OF the State in Church
matters, and IN the quarrel the Church always gets
the worst OF It, III we ever hope to restore the love
~ Christ IN Europe ana To subdue the terrible unbe
hef that exists every where we must do our utmost
"a divide tha State from the Church throughout
Europe. The Americans are nobo people and
they are the only nation that really understands
WHAT true liberty means. You 90 not understand ~ u
~ england. You always WORK to keep unier nat
yon do not believe. In the United States alone IS
lrue liberty OF conscience to be found"
And SAID |, .'what about Rome AMI the tempo
raj power OF the Popef Would you divorce Church
and state in that countryYn
NO. he sand; "taere ii ia different; the State Is
the church aud the Church Is the state. Inc rope
cannot be the subject OF any prince in these days,
and therefore he must be prince"
III this conversation think you viii md tue soll-
ton OF much that viii be done, at least IN one mat
Ter, al The Council
French Expositions of tho Ecamenicai Council
aud IT. Enects-lyhnt the General idea is ia
Englaud-Ths CathoiSc Church and Modern
society-What tho rreiaies VIII Not Do
Manner oil Debate and y0;ins-The Pacific
Railroad Aiding the Transit Of the
Observation-Disclosures from the Sandwich
Bsisnis, Fegn, and Other pistaat Sees.
LONDON Nov. 6, 1859.
When writing :ny letter dated the 4th inst on the
subject OF The coming Ecumenca Council, which
81 present occupies so much attention on both sides
OF the Atlantic, there were two works, or rather
article and q book which | wanted TO refer to, but
could not lay my hand upon them in London. The
first OF these Is an article called lie C2risttantSDs
ct u S3ciste," by the Duke de Brogc, which ap-
peared, II / remember right IN February last, in
The "RfUue des Deur M0ltfes.n The other
is a work entitled. "Les Principles de 80
et Ia Doctrines CathohQiter by French
priest called GODDARD and published i've or six years
ago. Since my last letter both or these have been
sent me by friend In Paris. ana shall venture to
tax the patience OF your readers with an extract
two from these writings, tending to prove that
have been endeayoring TO show in my last commu-
nications that there Is at Rome strong desire to
reconcile the doctrines OF 1889 with the views OF the
Church. in other words, TO make the Church and
liberal opinions agree or at least not disagree in the
eyes of the world, But before going further let
remark thar here. in England, these political move
ments are so fixed and religion SO uucertala the
chief interest felt respecting the coming Council is
chiefly, il not entirely, with regard TO its bearing
upon religion. In France II is just the contrary.
There religion is, so TO say, liked. A man--that Is
the vast majority OF men-eithcr believe all tho
Catholic Church teaches, or they believe nothing at
all. On the other hand, politics IN that country are
yery-1 ought TO say extremeiy-unsetted, and 1t
follows that ALL or nearly all the interest felt respect
ing the coming Conucil at Rome Is on tho score OF
politics. Now, the two writings from which shall
presently quote have both been formally approved
OF at Rome.
The first of them, that written by the Duke de
Brogiie treating OF the yarianees between the Catbo
Tic Church and modern society says that the former
las stood III friendly relations with the latter during
eighteen hundred years aud in every Court "from
Constantius to Charlemagne from Charlemagne to
Charles ", from Charles Y. to Louis XIV, from
Louis XIV. to I7sa." "Why, them" lie asks, "why
then, should there be only one date, that OF 1854
then that spirit OF adaptation In Christianity has
failed, and why should there be one AMI only one
state OF society which Is bound TO divorce Christi.
anity account or lncompatlDlllty OF temp.rfN
And, he goes on to say, 81 can ONLY and one cause
to assign namely, the abstract aud philosophical
character that society IN France by the organ % ne
legislators since 1850, has always affected ~ sNS 90
the principles on which it IL lnsiitlteLN nn tAel
proceeds 10 show now 1t IL the revolutionary ana
not Tie republican opinions OF modern socieiy
which the Catholic Church undermiles, aua bow
may be utterly opposed 10 the doctrines 81 the
divine right OF Kings and yet faithful son aGd true
follower OF that Church.
Tue second work TO which wish 10 draw your
attention has been stu more formally approved OF
by Rome than the frst AS | said before, twas pub
ilshed in 1863. the aethor being frlend--the Apbe
n ICON Goiard-who before allowing If 10 GOT
abroad went nimseir 10 Rome and formally suhmi,-
fed niI WORK for me annroyal Of Inc pone lin WAS
lent a very tanu TIME IN suspanse but nj lost
raeeived the formal APPRECIATION Of Rome respectlnr
mia book which was ofic,aly declared 10 contain
noInlnp that WIS contrary TO iaith Well IN tbis
work the Abhe Leon GODDARD writes:-ssWe believe
that they' tine principles OF 1880 do not contradic
any decision or lie Catholic Apostolic and Romgn
Chnfch. to the judgement OF which we submit With
reserve; ana we are convinced tnat they are in
nj me most accredred doctors or inc Chnreh AMI ii
ina sehonls . And auain.-uyre will matntaIn tbe
nrnclne of is4 inscrined IN the consfntion nf onr
Sonntry. hnr with All the eypanattons winch wa
have GIVEN and which no one mas a riaht Is exclude
because al NO have said the epocn OF 80 IL one of
4 double face--tpe one good the other evil. tile one
liberal IN the lartnate sense OF inc word the other
reyoutfonaiyi And once more to quote from tins
same antnOr:-"The tactics al our aiyersares are
to draw us 10 complete rejection OF 80 I'm order at
once TO accuse US OF a desire to set M again Inc
G1tr,ep ,9gf,ae with oil It's abuses and "a oyerset
our existing laws. These tactics We viii baGe ana