New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-06-29

turned on the declaration by each Tory Lord OF MS
purpose TO vote for or against the second Ieaning
When Lord Stratford de Radcliffe and the Archbishop
of Canterbury on Monday and on TUESDAY Lore 20
Grey. the Bishop of St. Davids, and the Duk t 81
| Richmond who was o member OF LOrd DERBY
| Cabinet announced their determination 10 reslsU
| Lord HarrOwbys motion for the immediate reJecuoh
Of the BILL the fate of that motion seemed 10 V9 se
All these speakers resolute friends OF the lsn
Church and enemies to the policy OF disehdowHeht,
but they follow Lord Salisbury and not LORD DERBY
| in their method Of opposing IL.
The name of Lord Sratford de Radcliffe is familiar
! to every reader of Kinglakes Crimea as the Great
Eltchi who led the reluctant Turks and the more re-
| He is still man of note, though perhaps MOI moi
q imam of great influence IN ordinary P9lltifGaa,
aaS cES TO the Salisbury wing More important
than Lord Stratford and than all the rest was Ine
| Archbishop of Canterbury the PTimate OF all En-
gland, the head and guardian of the Church OF I'm
| gland and more than any other one man entitled TO
speak for her. the irish bill were, as we are tou
often, land as it will prove to be beyond doubt IN
the spiritual head of that church ought to know H.
| and 10 lead the most uncompromsing opposition 70
it. Nmid Liberal churchmen. who are more eccles,-
astical than liberal. have followed Mr.. Gladstones
steps in fear and trembling As one OF them sara 10
me the other day, We don't know, much aDous
politics. but we are distressed to think any part OF
| our dear Church should be in peril. suppose
that is a respectable feeling enough. The value OF
the ArchbshoPs support is that it encourages Just
| floating minority of them in the Lords. There Is
another minority who dread the collision win the
|
fitness to the Church-a reprOach which is lnces-
sanity dnned into their ears by every social agency
which active partlsans can set at work. lney Mr
the robes of tie Archbishop, to whom the
| Bishop OF St. David's-the venerable and adj
| mirable Thirlwall-is welcome Teenforceneht.
Lord CarnarvOn's course was known beforehand by
| his support of Lord Salisbury at the meeting last
Saturday week. Earl Greys resolution was never yer.
suppose in doubt, though last year he opposed the
SusponsOry Bill and his mind and temper are so ca
PRECIOUS that nothing he may say or do creates n9cn
too old TO adjust himself to this / believe / once
called him the Crttenden of English politics, ana
| the comparison indicates accurately enough ms pO-
sitiOn, though he is much ADLER man than the Men
tuckian ever was. He would be Liberal II he were
not Wing, and if he were not Earl Grey Inc Olh
! rs measure OdiOus to him, yet when ne ADMITS
must pass in shape, and he aN0Wed MS purpose
to vote for the second reading IN the nope 70 com
pei" the Government to accept such amendments as
me OF herD {ar G uSpe in
his denunciation of the measure put nus resolve 10
vote for the second reading on exactly the same
ground. He is one of the Dukes whose presence IN
the last two Tory Cabinets used TO try Mr. DlsraeS
patience and whose reluctance to be educated seemed
to be due about equally to sincerity and stupidity
| His speech Tuesday was weak aud violent, but
| his great position socially, his place IN recent
Governments and outstanding claim TO place IN future
| Tory Administrations make him most valuable
ally. -.
| Tuesday was Bishops night These function
aries are so seldom heard of, heard from, in the
House of Lords that their debut this question was
expected with interest by ecclesiastical people Ihe
public appeared to discover with kind OF languld
surprise that there able debaters among them
| The Archbishop of Canterbury excited no little
| amazement on Monday by the declaration that he
did not feel this bill was incapable OF being
! turned into O good measure; meaning that he had
hopes of screwing good deal more money ont OF Mr.
Gladstone by the amendment process. AS OratOrlcal
displays the speeches of the Bishop OF Derry and OF
| the Bishop of Peterborough, better known as Dr.
Magee the two genuine successes of the debate
IL too much to expect of IRISH Bishops that they
should not oppose the bill tooth and nail and by the
| most extreme methods. They were quite as ready
| 10 sound boot and saddle and put lance in rest as
| Lord Derby himself He OF Derry made rafting
| speech IN true cavalier style, while DE- Magee SET
himself to give logical form TO the Widest absurd-
ties lt enough to of his haranRue that he un-
@ to PSf sen a G f and & Mss therefore,
not binding those who had pledged themselves TO
abide by it-a text on which hope we snail havea
further exposition from Lord CAIRNS whose pledge
Was as explicit last year words could make IT, yet
! who now follows Lord Derby IN reckless resistance
10 the people But before Cairns, we are 10 have the
bury moved the adjournment of the debate to Thus
| day. On Wednesdays their Lordships never slt.
The real danger 10 the bill is not from its rejection
by the Lords but from its acceptance-that -, from
their to its second reading If the prudent
counsels of the Archbishop of Canterbury and the
| Duke Of Richmond are followed Mr.. Gladstone Will
need all his frmness to save the bill from mutation
Let IL be Ccctcd on the second reading and 10 IS alb,
soutcly certain To be passed by both Commons and
Lords before the end of the year. word for word IL
stands But let it DO read second time and 20 into
Committee. who then can tell IN what shape II VIII
| deadly enemy TO the measure than Lord Derby lie
| is beside "a man OF prudence, which nobody ever
called Lord Derby and he ~ at least the equal oil the
old Premier as a party leader. He does not IN the
least intend that the bill should become law as 1t
stands lie would probably rather endure that than
precpitate such conflict as LORD Derby invites pc
tween the two Houses but he thinks both the con-
lct and the passage OF tins bill may be aVerted
Howl BY the very simple process OF amending the
bill in Committee amending the life out OF IT, ana
i'm fact improving il off the face of the earth The
thug is not only feasible, it is probable and it is
peril which believe Mr. Gladstone breads more than
lie breads the peril Of being Obliged TO compel the
For it is certain absolutely, that. in the present
temper of the country the rejection OF the bill now
would immensel " strengthen BOTH the House OF Com
mons and the Ministry. No Government could de-
sire a more distinct issue than would be thus pre-
| sented In prorogung ana then cohyokihg larhi'
ment in passing the same bill again silently through
the Commons, and in presenting IL second Time 10
the Lords accompanied by notice to pass 1t with
out amendment or see u passed Dy creation Gi
| by an undoubted aud overwhelming majority MI.
Gladstone still the slave OF many TRADITIONS might
feel "a certain reluctance in dealing q maj blow at
the Upper House but he would deal 1t none the less
| surely. .. 49, I'm. .....,,
IL on the other hand the bill is not rejected by the
Lords but goes down again to the Commons shorn OF
half its dsendowing force by insdi0us amendments,
very different and very difficult contest begins
hope aud partly believe that Dit Gladstone would
resist the amendments Of the Lords as hrmly as he
resisted the amendments fofered with the same view
by Mr.. Dsraeli. Let us suppose no does, ana that
his majority of ll5 stands by him, and sends Daek
the original bin to the Lords good deal OF time
| will have been consumed. We shall be getting on
toward August. The Lords, who are now for reject;
ing the bill absolutely, VIII IN that case Dc REINFORCED
| by those who are now against rejection, but VINO
then will be for sticking TO their amendments IL
will become question of details, OF clauses, ana
| parentheses. on which nothing will be easier than
! To confuse the public mind. Then VIII begin the
clamOr for concession and compromise, when Is IN
England even more than in America tho tatal weak
ness of politics and the perpetual snare of statesmen
Ii is too soon To mnuey the progress OF such