The New York herald., 1869-08-03
The Debate in the House of Lords Over the
Irish Church Bill.


Irish Church Bill.
In the House or Lords IN rho ootb nj, ror, c-.,
vile in moving 10 agree 70 the S,nmon; . ,9'a a
mems tn mar Iordsn7nSS amanan n % "hSuu, '
Church mil took occaHion fn Sann ,ht ~ ~ e % @ Ilisn
cation of ministers Ine other honss bad M oG
e,ther snuerevnans or osne. NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS., mau assumed
towards their omisnns vi nSaaH ,no S a,utnae
the case he should have considered ina, ha
personally, had been unworth,lv ireaisS isS Ie,
ms colleayues Rnt tho lot Zoe eASu.ee 49, ~
amendmenis inserted hv th,s Tas Ha,,sa siat .ne
have had the enect Of reendow;pa tSe Cm,uan
disendow M these amandmsnt. W a. @ anu
portant was the one relating 70 concnrrenr ea M
men1 'ne acceptance Of which m by the government
the const,tnencies and "a If was nnnoS W iau Nv Win
overwhelming majority Of the other House an aa
nnhlic onlninn was nfter,v oga,nst ~ ho anu
their iorishins IN deai Win i aa c 70
wsateVer m,gbt No 1Se ahsrac a. M % men ana
REGARD IL as nerfectiv ,mnoss,n,a AZ " nv e pau "
,nsment rh uransai 'osoio'G az, ~ lne present
apnropraon or the surnius roo wss evtroa ehe
opectfonahIe as caicuiaied tn enconrage incesat
oSison md ra,ss axnscts,,ons wnih go MISUNDERSTANDING ,nCessant
TO he dIsaononted especlaiy as NO aiterna,ve nsa
tSat was N receiye the assent ~ tha p,ns
10 Lord 1,a,rns cn,mn,,inad ,ba, .g;n,u,ero ho, nm.
adhered 10 Inc nleoge given nv the noble Earl On TIC
second reading of the bin and by which many ' oT
Their ioraships had been trdnced 10 vote fnr y a.
that stage ont of resnect for whas thew nnca,vH
to be he yerdict OF the connfrv InstaoG ~
eratnn MN un,cn nas nr,nis o aeStSIui consu-
had naescenasS tn noa a ngnore % ,vi, ne,o
tnsr lordsnlps n !s which was quite unworthy Of his
n sa n a o1 raacad tS, w'1 M .ae exSepon OF
sideraton and these two had been mod,Hed sn sy
manner as to he nerfacfsv Snsnrv ga -. h,t sacm
had awavs ohiectaG ~ concnrrant me naSen
had not nronoseI IN reserve tne onnc",a y, aha t
suro,us with any v,ew to rresh coprnrrar, a~s ~ o
mant H,s nh,ect,on ,o iSe w,isra1 %snuow %
was tnat II Jeff six or e,rht ,Uii,snno DiSS
sterling at the disposal OF the executive ana beyond
parliamentarv cnnfrol OricnaIJv the wh"s T ~
the Irish members were anxiOus to have tSe
consideration of the surplus postnoped ana IN aT'
hersno to this amendmap, be heo,e% h, nua ~ 1a aa
votes of the majority In the Commons and cerfainiv
the opinion OF the country. As to the amendments
respecting the power OF committing life Interests
and with regard to curates, which he considered
vital TO the interests OF the Church. he trusted their
Iordships would take a nrm stand upon them also;
but as 10 the others, which were OF minor import
ance, he was quite willing, In his desire not need.
essly TO provoke collision between the two houses
TO ask their lordsbips to give them up.
Lord KIMBERLEY argued that It was impossible |
Tor The government TO accept the amendments which
Lord Cairns was inclined to insist upOn.
Lord GREY, aluding TO the language OF the pre- |
ambie, that no portion Of the funds of the irish
church should be applied to the maintenance OF any
regarded as equally condemnatory of the Estab. |
lisned Church IN TINS country, and offensive to the
fes9n ieG n O se majority IN Ireland entreated Minis
less tney were indifferent to the passing OF |
the bill, or deslroas OF putting some denra- |
datlon upon the House OF Lords For 1t seemed to |
him that the speech OF Mr.. Gladstone and the tone
adopted Dy lne government Indicated that they |
Msie tstneI lncnlSu v asregard than to concllate
was now Impossible to carry measure of concur
rent entoWlnent put ne ieu ministers responsible
lor the failure Oh poncy which commended Itself |
TO neenths Oh the educated classes OF the country
anu which they could easily have carried had they
CHOSEN 10 aoops IL.
LOfd HALifAX, seeing WIN regret dat concurrent
endowment was impossible, did not regard the
wordsAn the preamble as material, while their oms.
sion would he deemed by the public covert attempt
TO promote that object aud 30 give rise TO useless
religious agitation.
Inc Marquis 9f CLANRicARDR though believing in
waa r,ro
pared To support the government hut he hoped the
House would Insist upon the reservation OF the sur
plus
Lord SHAFTsBuRY denounced the whole bIIl AZ the