, 1869-06-15
EUROPE.
Debate in the English House
Of Lords on the Irish
Church Bill.
London Times on the Prospects Of
the AIe:. ure.
Mr. Motley's First Official Communiea-
tion to Lord Clarendon.

Mr. M0tley'S First U1fltlal Communita-
lion to Lord Clarendon.
No Further Political Disturb
anccs in Paris.
Great xRritnlu.
DEBATE on TIE D1snsrAB11snNEN1 ELL n THH
HoUEE OF LORDS
LONDON, June Il
In the Touse Of Peers. tonight, IN anticipation
OF the debate on the Irish Church blll there Was
q full attendance, oil the seats On the Goor being
occupied 1t the opening Of the sitting. The gal
1elIes and 1obbies were crowded with spectators,
and In the Streets In the vicinity Of the House OF
Parliament great throug Of people vas collected.
in the House many petitions weto presented
against the b{l1
Earl Granville then moved that the bill pass to
Iis Becond reading. He declared that he had al
ways thought the Irish Church Vas an anomaly,
and failed to fulfil the position for which 1t Was
that 1t was great Injustice and
should be legtslated On In reasonable, wise and
moderate way. He traced the history Of tho Sus-
pensory bill Of last year and said theresgnaton Of
Dtsraelis Ministry showed their acceptance Of the
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and dscndowment. After explaining tho pro
visions OF the bill under consideration, Lord Grau-
Vile continued: The government did not desire
to 6arer the spiritual connection between the irish
and English Churches, and be would leave the,ex-
PLANTATION Of the endoWmeuts to his colleagues.
he declared that there T0s nothing IN the act Of
union to prevent the passage Of the bill lie did
not underyalue that act, but maintained that 1t
Was not unalterable. Nor should It be allowed to
stand In the WAY OF a measure deemed necessary
to the majority Of the people md the
constituencies In ireland. The bill has no effect
On the royM supremacy. After referring to the
threatened opposition, and commenting on the
btgotry Of past times, he appealed to the Bench
and the Bishops to weigh well their course.
Nothing was more suicidal than 70 point to the
pri1cipe on which tho 1nsh Church stands as that
On which the English Church is to stand, for this
step was not the prelude to the disestablshment
The dignity Of the House Will be preserved Il, af
ter due protest. 1t allow the bill endorsed b} the
voice Of the country to pass The House Of Peers
has great power for good but there s one thing It
does not possess 1t has not more power than the
House Of Commons. 1t naB not power to thwnft
the national Will 1t was said that the method OF
conducting tho bill in the House Of Commons Vas
Offensive, and tho House Of Lords had been ad-
ysed to be conclliattng In their present declara-
ton. He well knew the ralue Of conclllatton, but
there WIS no necessity for 1t here; for he would
ASSURE the Lords that though tho Liberal party ad-
hered strongly to the policy Of the bill, they would
gratefully welcome and carefully consider any al
teratton Of detail proposed By thetr lordshlps.
More than this he could not say.
The Earl Of Ha1owby moved that the second
reading Of the bill he postponed three months,
He opposed the bill as revolutionary and In viola-
ton of the coronation oath and act Of union. The
circumstances were insufficient to Justify its In
PRODUCTION, and its results would be to diminish
the number OF H1sh Protestants. It WAS no act Of
Justice Hc repudiatcd the lden that the rejection
Of the r1casure would be running counter to
the natloual Will The sense of the country had
not been tested on the point, aud ho belteyed tho
country was now earnestly looking to and expect
ing the House Of Lords to reject the b1l.
Lord Clarendon said he did not reclprocate the
feeling Of the Earl Of 1IarIowby as to the resu1t
Of the bill. Similar 1orebodings we're expressed
In regard to the reform and frce trndc measures.
| He believed the sentiment OF the country had
been fully tested on the topic. 1t had been dis
cuseed for the last ye1r and hall, and was
! so thoroughly exhausted.fand understood
/ that he was unable to saJ anything
! on It. As Protestant hc SYN
| pathized With hts Catholic fellow country.
men In Ireland in the wrongful position In which
they were placed. lie never felt 1t stronger thar
when he saw the crowds heeling outside hove
with handsome parish church close By unat
tended. lie believed that ireland was the ques
| ton OF the hour. Her condition bad bewtldere[
government after government The universal as
sent OF the country and the impossbIlty that suct
3 state Of things should continue, has Imposed OF
Nj. Gladstone the duff Of settling the Irish Churcf
grievances.
The Duke Of Rutland opposed the bill because
It overthrow tho rights Of property, violated tht
hn mai n Arf
| Kingdom and destroyed the union Of Church ant
| State. He denied that the Irish Church WIS
| badge Of conquest, md declared hl5 conviction
that the voluntary system woald not answer.
Lord s,radoru de Radcliffe objected to man.
details of the BILL, but warned the House no
to sacrince the substance for tho Shadow
lie believed the passage Of the bill
as 1t now stood, would result Il
irreparable injury to the Church, and would no
improve the condition OF Ireland. The relatir
positions Of the two houses Of Parliament how
ever, demanded the eccord reading Of the bill
after which the upper House could go to work an
amend Its Objectionable features.
Lord RomIly regarded the Idea that this bi
Fould prove the destruction Of Professionalism a
myth. 1t would only deprive the Grown Of til
nomination Of some bishops, abo1is
ecclesiastical courts and remove Epecl1
endowments, It would not interfere With the do<
lung VI o1se'p1ue W enc euutea. ~ "a'utu @ ~
hoose aea'hsI opposing 1ne na4!oaal "Ln' anu q
mnued then taat me sesefesl pio~ me! aaa =, :,
celseu was IN INC lelee1lon o. 1ae Ae'otm oa
pass it
Tho Archbishop Of Canterbury said the bench
BISHOPS lntenueo 10 10 "nas u conscience tnt
eonsioerea "lsest ana ocst' IN inc aee!s'on
tnc House OF Lords depended issues auecung II
tho1cnes ol 1re.and ana England as wen IS inc oe
tinlcs o1 Inc empire. ic "oulo not agree VILE OIL
aeceptatlon OF Fecet1on o. me on' ano ne was gu
TO near thas nueno"ents 70 u "ou4o 1eeeNe GU
s'ae1a'ion. 4ne curse Q! tie4aau "ss Pe1petu
relle'ous anu l'ohtleal asitat1oo' Ae "as not q
sifoas oi suppo!1ins ehues. ne oenefea u
those Who urged re1ecflon'. leaAs desited 10 8. g.
tnis House PoMcsless ie "as a'saehea 70 u
iilsn chnscn. Ae pe.le'ea taat o1o" ln1alll
1t, would in]ufe Inc Eneush Snu1c
NC, therefore. uesneu 10 gre
calm and serious consideration OF the onl' and
a1neAd ano make It euou Weas1le- Luz easue
euaea'oF ol tae HOUSE u fse1s' eoutatuin9 :,
neads OF the Chufcn anu Of 1ne Law, anu OF u
landed Interest or the realm, "onsd NC OF mo
asaA man any asataeson meetings al AAneaes1
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