New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-07-01

IN 1Touse of Commons last nigh. w. -
- Ia LIN - % tho treatment of the teniah prlS-
ia led atIrhuon " 'Io ltion that the Government
ODsrs aIid moNeu inopirv into the subject
4 discipline and re-cassllnca'icn u '"o 20.
psal 20 inoire how far political prisoners should
heIs' rdad soorate class and TO consider now lar
70 reg ert Of nast punishment may be regarded as
The ss' lilo or,,d for the favorable consideration of
leasoD sos Ar Moore said he believed the majority
sf Their irish neonle sympathzed with the Fenians,
Oh p1 unwilling to subyert the existing Govern
- nous content to bear their present ills rather
me'' a 10 Others they know not of. But no class
X 'n' ented with the present state of affairs. He
- condemned the! harsh treatment Of the Fe-
: 10Th before and after trial. and urged public
- thereinto
~ Bruce, the Home Secretary was not prepared
= ,cnd the treatment OF the Fenians but said that
I = neral the law was insufficient to deal with
= ,.6ih prisoners. The statements of cruelty We're
! ig,vN exaggerated. At present their treatment
- oStremely lenient. They were separated from
40 other prisoners, and were not compelled to do
nything degrading, or submit to any humiliation.
Mr. Sullivan defended the conduct of the present
government respecting Fenianism, and accused Mr..
noore Of endeavoring to make political capital by
ps. dfring to the passions of those who have been
eolspted He hoped the time will soon have arrived
when such discussions shall cease, and no political
prisoners remain in custody
On division the first part of the resolve was lost
b a vote of 81 to III.
Mr.. Mcguire said that it was impossible to press
tn" latter part of the resolve, the former portion
had been negatived He admitted the general SYM
patby of the Irish with Fenianism, but thought
no harm would result if the Government extended
elemency and released the prisoners those still in
custody.
The latter part of the resolve was then negatiyed
The House adjourned at $40 al
THE TINES on THE FENIAN DEBATE.
TIE Times this morning, commenting on the debate
in the House of Commons last night, says the main
consideration of the Government is the effect which
the release of the Fenian prisoners will have IL
must be remembered that all those who were guilty
in an inferior degree have been set free only the
sprne movers or active agents remain all OF whom
rbave been sentenced to long periods OF lmprison-
ment of which a small portion only has elapsed
The misery brought upon individuals and society
and the check to the prosperity Of Ireland which
tre- ,n caused forbid their release. If justice re-
..-os satisfaction, men who deliberately planned.
ana IN some cases executed, murder cannot be set
free while Others whose ofenses are as nothing IN
,oomuarisop. drudge on in slavery. The distinction
rbetween political and other Ofenses cannot be adj
mittsd in the case of men who, with insufficient
can. and no prospect of success carried out their
a. ms with treachery and cruelty. Murder was
H.. less murder when accompanied by treason.
,n a was nothing connected with the murders COM
mr., or attempted by the Fenians which should
: ana The perpetrators the dignity Of insurgents.
s-HE CHURCH DEBATE IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS
: AN AMENDMENT PASSED.
Js+ evening the Houseof Lords went into Com
,ai,t,e on the Irish Church BILL and discussed the
. l..
, Tbs Earl Of Denbgh opened the debate in long
ypeec wherein he defended the Irish Catholics from
the charge heretofore made Of indifference TO the
question Of establishment He affirmed that the
Irish regarded it as an act Of justice. Earl Grey
moved 20 amend the preamble of the bill in some
slight particulars Earl Granville opposed the propO-
sti0n for concurrent endowment and considered II
altogether mpractcable. The Bishop of Oxford
regarded the question Of establishment already
fixed He thought, however, that no portion Of the
funds ought to be sccularized. After providing for
the Church. the religious necessities Of other bodies
ought 10 be aided.
The Marquis Of Salisbury supported the principle
Of concurrent endowment in a long speech.
After long discussion, Earl Gray Withdrew his OPP
position. and the consideration Of the preamble was
postponed.
The Earl Of Carnarvon moved tho substitn-
aud seyenty-two" in the thirteenth clause in the
glaes Of one thousand eight hundred aud seventy
one as the date Of the disestabshment OF the Irish
Church.
Mleh discussion ensued, and at length the Lords
divided and the amendment was carried, as follows;
For 1870; Against, a. The clauses from Nos to ~
inclusive were then agreed to without discussion.
BRIGHT AND FORSTER RESIGNED FROM THE
REFORM CLUB.
John Bright and William L. Forster have resigned
their membership Of the Reform Club in consequence
Of the failure Of the Committee to elect as honorary
member gentleman whose name they had proposed
THE HOME SECRETARY on THE FENIANs.
In the House Of Commons tonight Mr.. Bruce the
HOME Secretary, alludng TO the demonstrations ex-
peeed in Ireland on the 18th Of July, said party pro-
SESSIONS were always provocative of disturbance
and ought to be prevented. He informed the House
Aat the Government was determined TO enforce tue
law against them, and prevent any breach oil the
vice