, 1869-07-22

d ny description VIII Il do TO say where i pro
rides toF the SELECTION Of "a many presbyteFs Il
competent 70 act Ii Is Impossible inst prece
dent u 10 ne established so CONTRARY 10 tu1ttcr nnt
thai 10 eea1t y this description where they n.
the allegations Of the present 70 he tue, seens Y
NE 70 b ! verJ grave and great violation Of the
~eonsiitutAon 0s the Church. and 1lolasion Of II
for 1nern, ana tnen not llloscd the privilege q
sealing whether the presbJten nre, IN fAct, com
S1a5ns pas On sas ground i' .sat M s H. esson e ID
not ststo Ehat the .lsEs OF 1ukdee dentand7
hsydly think my fitend wanh 70 stand On 10 mar
II II hardly scope enough for u8n to take 1
position md maintain Il exclusively II NE ase se
limited By tni, canon that pIesbI ter8 can Be ns
tect matter. Tue question might frequently Imp.
pen, and II u muto than pfQhalAn thAt We are set,
ling p9ecedent that may 10 OF considerable ralne
tona hereafter and tint would certainly be followed
hereafter, and when Jou come to specific chsl-
mi perceive thst ,Se protest i chi. thsF eaca
q e b. snv4 fsn r
tho ssgurneot snd coming 70 the point. whether, II
ore Of the members has formed and expressed az
opinion the1e + no Wy y get u II, aad whether
pass nppn the members OF the court-at my rate
hat question u important for she hereafter Of the
Church As'wel % 70 my cllcns- For these ieasoua
qualifying haaS does exist >that 1t l. N1rntu tic
powef Of The aceusc4 10 bring II to the stsension
Of the p1esbytera who appear.
nsienIDg 70 ms Win 70 nnch p1nenre. Tais IL q
general view Of thu cssa as II u might have
gone On 70 gFeat9 c1tent u esparlanng upon
out crornds for challenging.
Jcdge OTIS Before taxing your seat tust re-
ntate your motion. snnst conieas, after hearing
aud Nsteptng 70 all the ieA1ntng, That an q ltra
IN The fog s1 70 The rleclse notlou-lhe precise
point Jou AK the court To decide.
NJ: FULLER ! Hin staie It With great deal
my Learning would muddls Jodge OTIS
Judge OTIS. Certainly not
Ar. FULLER. This Ia The point, The respond
ens prOtests and 0btecta by reason and form. Fho
protest esatca 1nat nye gelttnen who appear here
claiming to nct ~ coprt, and do act ii court
--re al understand there Is CERTAIN reservation
for aos admitting rsdction; that Is Always tol-
Grated, and ny friend WON'T deny that I have =
night TO puIzue that courze-ongrt not TO take
cognjIance Ok this pre8entuent becaule-I am not
nifty haa been given to examine the elgat presby-
teIB named IN the citation with view
70 TO- their T., co%petelsy 70 ST. be1ass tae
Examined; because ole It the nye rho do appear
ha1 formed and eKpreased III opinion that the
accused was guilty IN che premises; md because
furnished 70 tbs scc11ed. Now, esrh polut may
DO taksn seps2teay or together! endEayorea TO
tnaie that cieaI i seems to me, u one Of the nge
u incompetent Tho court cannot proceed, 1t
and woiy1ng the Right Of calling fof The eight 70
appear, Shat re have the t1hI to examine those
who do; wa4rtuX 10th these rights, II we Ehpw, or
II 1t he true, thai one nE the i've WHO do appear
haa formed and: eplesaed an op!nfon, that not
only disquaiines him. but invaudates Lha whole
proceeding and ends the court
Judge OTIS. shsn not 10 over tho ground
takeu by The counsel for the ACCUSED. exCept 10
or1eny notice lew points These arc upon this
OF the Church-1he canuu Law. geo fnree men at
least who hare been member6 OF our general con-
ons taess upon R1es manY & III hes @
that came up both directly md inc4dentaily. I
aksuMe tuAt you Know ag much a. DO upon ihe.e
70 : lew oi ,hsm. In the i ma ' nisoa a. 1ft to
the general proposition that "a clatmei: :
lis claimed list there il some nnnIoes befneen an
G1ns. ana r. ~ ~ M q 'ars. u oat e.
eaed e you ase e caed lie p assessora C 5e baes
y 4 sne mn o. Engtaaa, n ano Nnat does 4 sa5 /
,. aio fsc1s appo.ntea IT, o{ me
clya lAw 70 Abces.e4. Aoa ste IKE mas-
when case comes up before Judge, be refers
j 10 the tnaster to 1nd out the fncts and return
them 10 bun with = recommendation aa to what
case. Ton arc simply to pass upon the racta aud
recommend decHlon. The master IN
chanee1y does precisely the same thing: md tho
e on Of SoE wa "h e sq me nas
ne not behind here Ia Illinois, Between the jaW
Of our Stale md the other States there Is great
onIy a. TO he nn1Set tie accused Ia lie uls fuf.
fer rlem I'VE to txsiye IN eyery instance but one
court; TINT Is, 40 ecc1esiascai cou5 from year to
year. In al other dtocrses tie ACCUSED ls FUR
nlshed " Ihe Bishop Win special list Of fro,n lre
b no chalJeuge Ind no se1ecuon OFT from M them. i
In Florida It Is The same; 50 IN INC adjoining do
:ese. Az vs. s,E4nalesi: ~ " sscspuonat aEe
Ses Sosx VrKna M ana e osae1s, Il ~ tnas ~ We1s asnons
!hc nrst thnt 1ere Organized when our General
pre5nJ tcrs-.hay generally di1cr but little. IN
Kew fork II is speciall1 pfoyiced Tint, uter LIST
g11eaJ II Ia t,oue in that diecese and X Il dons
a this the notice rocs Eiih copy Of lie rrcscnt.
Lent, and The notice and tha eta
III oi eirh, goes viii It, and
he selection ts 70 be made w,tlIu thirty daya
Tnc time Is nxed BY The Bishop, IL couaectioa
MAXI ann y me e ns ins ,SrtT dsps thsy
One together, nat 10 listen 70 eIeep1sons: not q
erS. mt "a IN asred Gnesiions wbtrh Ixnh,'' al
tunIiIy diem Iut s,mplT 70 m Tho cssse '1'A N''
Nav, m resnect IN ,Sa a,ieoed cn,,,e,,,r,
dnt ~ - es. ~ a1o -,ah. ~ cnaenR'ng,
sra + ~, s,1as th !" T,mnSit Eu, o'u kNai ls"f
suIs Of .pectni crTa1ion 9u,,aer tnls thn csnon
aw Of tie church, and wp must follow
hat The moment you 90 outside Of that you bo-
ome usurperR, and trcspass upon the rights Of
men, either In reputation, position or CHARACTER.
lou cannot SO outside OF the canon law. You
must proceed just as the law provides Some who
his and Improve It Tho convention considered
and then promptly laid the whole scheme upon
he liable It Has said the present system was
cvised bJ you. you canhot make improvements
bide ~ what the convention OF the
4 reelection gwen to the accused in
2 nahocf o1 Inc dloceses, but not In AL. Theu
here ss another striking privilege Ia All the other
stthin me tne. me bishop selecta IN illluoia
ne stanuins Committee ls called together 70 Sc. |
G IS; T. ,he Inhop does not taie that rsspanso.ity
NJ ,h;s .rI.,r,.nt ~ T r,iur " =, W 20
~ uh, ~ X Nj th eueI ~ - low aae u"
,nr,stnn fnr sntihipT at 9te sina u ~ ~ ~
annot SEP oni he w. VI W csa's ask NJ siy.
ea-nss tnaastty - NJ .nct otyrsion II
annot asS Il and ii. soy6er caunot ansTer
. We sssuIna thlt eleruytuen arn
ompelens VIC shens, Gsrut /, ey eIerssman ass nns
;as not competent, nymen Of cUutse a1s MI, La |
lust be srieti BY hts peers. The list Is furnlshed,
nd # there is N objection 10 II be must make the
hnuld mate his selection. lie has pos done 50,
annot try such slde4ssnsa The INV Of he
he as nepcr eo autholltze ltai'ps n &C. 6.
!pae:ltcaj enura II vas nor aftonted NJ ina
risl Of bfsnon nnI.r1Ianrl that ,noS niSca IN New
rort in 1sxs ,The 11srnss,on ,hen eifrifed rrnhs
IL cansed nn,nc nroViS;ons n fna nrnsrnt cerons
~ ,na uresant rsnan IN ,Sa ~ Hi of fI1.ha1,
a, nnt adonten ,,ni 1s.N and in IL It L. ,voTI,1
M. siteT the cart II organixed II thsll IL cnn.
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