The Democratic press. [volume] (Ravenna, O. [Ohio]) 1868-1901, 1869-02-18

that [ .therein speak the. sentiments of
the Honss ltpgaing 70 the members
around hiIn.J DO not. (Coitiiicting
declarations ora He does ~ 'sHe does
not!~ and increasing confusion aud
excitement Now. sir, he continued,
Addressing the presiding officer, who
seemed overpowered at the impetuos-
ity of the attack, and may have been
wishing to be back in the quiet and
sedate Senate chamber, shall we have
this unseemly seene?sa a,4aga-ib asis
The presiding officer only answered
that debate was not in order.
Mr.. Butter, growing more impetu-
Gus and less srespectful, - lam not de-
bateing it, sir. No arbitrary proceed
ings will be allowed here, -s....ss.-Y
4 Presiding Oficer-If the gentleman
is not debating, he will take his seat.
(This lit drew forth laughter and APP
plause, " Hhich seemed to sinspire, the
presiding officer with; fresh courage to
meet and resist the attack f, a. -
Mr.. Butler-T am not debating. l
appeal from the decision of the chair.
Presiding Officer, curtiy-The APP
peal is not entertained e. Roa4 9Ien
Mr., Butler, in an appealing, though
by no means tender moodEI appeal
from that decision. siA' III Sfiii % ID
The presiding e4fieef, deaf to- all
such appealsaagain directs the tellers
| to go on with the count. "a aeeseq s,l-g
+ Mr.. Butler presisted in addressing
the chair. s" ','.5' ''''-i'' 4
Mr.. Wood inquired whether there
was not aailSergeant-at-arms attached
to this body, and expressed a hope
that he would exercise his authority.
+ Mr.. Shanks inquired whether it was
| in order to call for the reading of the
rules govemingthis lbodysdt a2iiisog
The Presiding Officer replied that il
T. Mr.. IngArsolI Rep. Ill.) coming tC
i'the aid Of Mr.. Butler saad: objec-
Ito any further proceedings on the par
I i.of this body until that appealiis enter
tanned, and action had on it by dthi'
body. ,za4,,f al, - ,o;s,,fs..,o.. e,t. 81,
The Presiding Officer-The tellers
will declare the'vote.l = y ss-'s.l'iil'2
| Mr.fIngefsoll-2An appeal has beer
taken. .3sGc .iH9bEJId 5oi "a uoito
/ The Presiding Officer-Anb appea
cannot be taken.
i Mr.. Butler--Mr. President.
/. The Presiding Officer-The gentle
man, from. Massachusetts, will resdm
his seat {Gfeat confusion and excite
ment) The gentleman fi:om Massachu
setts will, come to order. ,tat.g sfes,i
/ Mr.. Butler (defiaptly)w--I am in r. or
j der, sir. Mr.. President, I desire tn
] reading Of the joint rule OH the count
A. iIign of the votes (which expressl,
i states that a vote which is OBJECTED t
can not be counted except by; con
current vote OF, both Houses. Thi
House has voted that it cannot concur
j Mr.. Covode (eneotiragingly )-Tha
4 is the1point. TO ss5ubsaH 8dt TOT laHo.
7 Mr. ButlerrNowaI do not know
any. power that the President of tn
1 Senate has to overrule the rule an
the resolution of the House..h sI'5 s@iii
4 The presiding officer PERSISTED i
never minding Mr.. Butler, and agai
called on the tellers to perform, thei
duties under the concurrent resolu
tion.i 7ii' ~ q 10 -''7''i' .i7''i- 'i'''' > y
j Mr. IngersollAI obiecta9H % iom
4 The Presiding Ofieef-4-I can't hel
that. f(Shouts of -laughter.1o 9a.osg
i Mr.. IngersOll-I object; and nol
the, Senate can retire to consider tina
objeetiom( (cfies of l'ofdef," and gres
excitement.lt I'd E.-LLs.l4 lido. :
Mr.. Benton (aside)-The Senate is
very august body. but it can't 81 lrul .1
here.
Mr. 'Eldridge (joculariy)-would z
be I'M order. TO e.Let us have peace
cloud laughter){ L II .sii.Ht gal
4 Mr., Bntler (who had not taken hi
: seat)-I again insist upon my appe;
!; from the decision of the Chair.
{ The Presiding 0ficefAThe .Chai
has, decided anfappeal cannot besieI
! tertained in this joint convention. 81 Il
, Mr.. Butler From that decision,
, take and appaal. y % -
Tile Presiding Officer The cha
decides that same Way9E EShout
!, offLaughter .]9YsnsIE. sudT .1q3aa
Mr.. Van Horn made a point of orde
f that after the retiring of the Senate o
t the objection of tire gentleman frol
{ Massachusetts, there had been no re
I, port made sas ito the action of bot
: Houses, and they could not oprocee
until a full report was made. -,
3 Several members is goo,
3 Thatiis right. Ish9a4 idii12i-@f =
ThefPresiding Officer, not mindin
| theipoint iof,order The votes have a
: been counted, and statement of the
1 will be made by the teflers, under Il
I concurrent resolution 7ii' DEE bf'i
5 Mr.. Briggs-,Imovethe Convehtio
+ adjourn,Jifabf .rgilpih if5Y7 -5auat
Mr.. Butler-Let us have the Hou:
/ to ourselves. Laughter and appIans
! 1 respectfully move, Sir, that the Sci
il ate have leave to retire. Glapping {
; hands and manifestations uof encOu
! agement. lbeTa eli .nsi<edel s4s .
/, Mr. Doolittle-I, rise to point (
: order. Everything, except the exec,
: ton of the Joint rule Of I'll Hoases,is out
e order, and L demand that the order u
both Houses shall now be executed
t Mr.. VanH orn-I. demand a ,decisic
: on the point of order that have mad
n quiry whethei'it is competent for ti
t Senate to. decide "a question of ord
t in this jointiconyention. a..,ii 10 s5
E, The Presiding Offcer--That is i
:, question. '' ''-'' ~ -
: Mr.. IngersollATliefe must be son
misunderstanding i'm reference to tt
: question at this timesn4t is not gene
q ally understood by the members -
e the House.
+ iiSeriaton d DooiittleINir, President,
p rise toa point oforder.9 & Loud cries
: 'Gorler, y ostsorder," from the opposi
v side ofithe HOUSE, Mopoint of ord
g. is-rencwed shouts of .s"order'')
h Mf: President-( (shouts of ''order' 30
IS der, from the opposite ssideoalH9e 10
l. The Presiding Officer hlcclaRed tn
81 everything was out pfdorderu .baaq
q Mr, Broomall-Mr. President,
g want to knew, and there are half
o dozen hero who want to know, VIII
, authority you have to deny the rig
+ ofappeal1 here.o YTotaE!uHrm oar.
The Presiding, OfficerwWe are pr
,s ceeding under the. concurrent resol
"a ton Of both bodies, which has decla
s ed how this vote ssliall be proceed
o with .3aais - J3si cd Wou fizifI .tiIg
Mr.. ,Breomall-Bpt does the coneu
e rent resolution, prescribe. who sh;
10 determine what is in order and Wh
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