The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-10-16
WALES.
Agitation for Radical Kcform-The State
Church Condemned.

Agitation for Radical Reform-Tho State
Church Condemned.
In Wales the liberal members for the county and
borough Of Denbgh, Mr.. Osborne Morgan and Mr..
OF their supporters and constituents at the Town
Hall on the 3Oth OF September, the chair being occu.
after giving an account OF his stewardship. spoke
upon The subjects or education, the land tenure Of
Ireland and the ballot, oil OF which measures he be.
Leved would be brought In ana carried In the next
Mr. Watkin Williams spoke mainly on the question
Of the Welsh Church, contrasting u with that Of the
Irish establishment. He viewed the putting an end
to at Church as an act OF justice, and he earnestly
believed that the present government Y It's 1ones
to Wales. The Church was now the Church
OF the arstocracy; had sfgaduv Jdtled, and justice
not powerful enough, nor had she the MEANS 10
insist upon her rig ,ts but as she only wanted JUS
H o nas a
DO unto her as had been done to Ireland. Mr.. viii
lians then replied to the objections which has been
made to his bringing forward the motion. He told
them tonight, aud told them honestly, he had no
desire to have the glory Of leading IN this matter.
lie was perfectly content for them to select the man
whom they thought better for the task than anothsr
to bring 1t forward, and would give up his place
altogether. Perhaps he could better support tue
motion than bring 1t forward as shat was more In
his line; Now, as to the time q bringing It fer.
TaIa, i was MI luag AK i ana csrsaiRly We:
forward. (Applause) Some had thought it would
have been better to wait till some other great
questions were got out or the way. He
tanned that opinion. Probably It would nos
be carried-very likely not-but he had no
more notion that It would be carried before
than he had Of going to the mOon tLaugnter.) Bus
II they stayed until all OF those questions were gos
pause. Start the bali first, ana when those matters
mad been cleared out OF the way there was some
Appa NJ Williams them alluded M's TO the eter
OF correspondent IN one OF the papers. stating that
the matter would be soon taken out OF his hands.
and in reply he said he should be delighted to think
the matter had become OF such importance as to
compel others able take 1t out OF his hands,
such force from the country, which compelled the
government to feel the necessity OF passing It, Now,
he should like them TO remember what he was going
subject must be discussed for years; it must be
turned upside down, to see what solid stun
they could before bill could be brought in. Whas
he proposed doing was TO bring the subject before
Parliament and the public; but the particular
form OF his motion was not so important 30 long e.
the measure was only brought forward for discus
sion. He next spoke OF the right OF Parliament to
deal with State aids and endowments maintaining
that all such aids and endowmsnts and ali property
whatsoever that was tnaienaby attached TO any
corporation was public Or state property and Par
ceeded to argue that the Welsh Church stood ia an
entirely different position to the English Church
from what the Irsu Church did. There was not IN
this country that luminosity and antagonIsm towards
the Church on the part OF Nonoonformists - there
was between the Pr0testants and Roman Catholics
OF Ireland. He had no desire to destroy or 70 amt
hilate the Church In any way The churches %
Christ IN Wales formed . venerable Institution.
which had existed hundreds OF years before It dld
In England. The ancient BrltOns had embraced
Christianity In the year 100. But since tnen tnngS
had altered. The Church was not now the Church OF
the people as every man who walked could see
GO to any Village In the Princlpaty, ana what did
they fndS In every village they would come across
chapels and how was tbatY Because the church
was the church OF the aristOcracy. II was not any
antagonsm OF Papists or Protesants as In Ireland.
that was the cause OF IT, but 1t was evident some
grievances OF deeper type lay at the bottom or IL.
tApplallsc.) The Church had had every conceivable
chance Church could have to succeed, but It had
failed. But why had II faledf He answered the
question In this wayby It's alliance with the State.
Applause.) lie was firmly convinced that, and that
alone was the cause or It. Having further enlarged
on the question OF thes &C. Mr.. Williams said that
with the surplus which would be derived from the
Welsh Church. which amounted to something like
f100 900 per annum, he should make grant to the
new university at Abcrystwith ana throw 1t open TO
every person In the Principally Independent OF
their religious professions. He then quoted stats
tics, pointing out the vast preponderance OF Nom
conformists over Chnrchmen IN the Principally,
and concluded by arguing thai everything was
favorable to the disesabiishmcnt and the dsend0w-
ment OF the Church.
He resumed his seat amid loud and continued
aupAu7e