New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-02-18
THE WHISKY FRAUDS.
THE McHENRY PERJURY CASE
IMPORTANT TESTIMONY BY COMMISSIONERS

,ournment Charles LOebs crcBs-examination was .o'
timed He testified follows: Was snbpenaed ias'
night verbally 10 here to-day. and produce my DOCKS
have been IN the whisky business since November 1853
went into the rectifyng busiIess IN May 1906 was lew
connected with any rg aSv pS money to T.
F. Ray 10 carry on his business; done think ieH m
any 9 one r G"re nor tho amount Of my rs It
was less than 100000 and less than so0O u sns nv
S 9ee. 90 ~ Mr. Raw was the honor OF q gentleman; am
used TO loanng money IN tins way, g.,
The prosecution objected to the defense going any "
thor into the private business OF witness.
The defense desired to show that these sums OF opsy
paid to Ray proved that witness not Ray was the re
owner OF the dlstillery called Rays.
Witness continued: Don't remember exactly wnetIer
made another loan 70 Ray after the nst one ,h manu-
featured product; these loans might have been $500
$4,000 o month; am not bookkeeper; don hno"
whether distieres are generally by ostensble own
ers or not only know that do not do oar business h
that manner; every has his way OF doing ens
ness the distlery in Thry-third owned by r Ray
might have been seized by tho revenue 9ncets y @
Board was in session. don't that rectying hon'e
and Rays distillery were at one time eonhec,fu ~
pipe: think Rays dsery was at one time I'd lie hae
OF the officers revenue, about two or three M
it released by order OF tho Metropoan seG
my recfying house IN the possession OF me COWGIRL
ment the same as the dstery VAS MY were CoH Mr.
Ray and myself both had the same couhseE ts ~ w,
gentleman known as "Sunset Cox" was nor Ray
bondsman neither was my brother went to Washington
ia May 1883, to go before the Committee OF Ways anu
order 70 have recfying house removed further from
Mr.. Rays dstilcry; did not see Mr. Rollins whiIe IN
auaintances In Wizards Hotel; met many gentlemen
there that know don't remember going into ANY y bn
think in Mr. Traceys room; he was also IN WASH
ingon OH tho business he had bottle or whisky,
and invited me up the defendant McHenry III
Washington; also met him aud spoke 20 hin' ONO 'iino
while waiting In Thirty fourth-st for car
The Government objected TO question; "ha' "ero
you in the habit OF going to Washington forF
The defense said that they intended TO show that the
witness went 10 Washington and brbed the revenue OIL
GERS paying them 500 per week
The Court ruled that the defense could show that any
officer I'm Cedar.st was brOed, but that the questions
must not be mnde 80 general
The defense complained OF being constantly and I'M
warrantaby interrupted by counsel for the Government
ard having their intentions in putting questions revealed
| by their remarks.
Witness resumed-sold whisky almost constantly dur
nsmber selling any for q cS"thst was taken bond
and sold free seldom sold whisky tha was tHe ao% o"
thing else MI Bnskley that know C~, or
| sioners Osborn aud Gutman
| Mr. Edward A. Rollins called and sworn. Examined
by Mr. Bell. United States Assistant DisrctAttorney
O. Where do you residei A. My home ia In New Hamp-
shire but NY present residence In Washington l0u
| are Commissioner OF Internal Reyenuei A. Yes. q How
long you held that position A. Since November
toni And yo Terf "a, that and TS at Sresent
hold that position O. DO you know tho last wit
| ness on the stand. Charles toebi A. do. Q. How
q. when and where did You first see himi A. saw
him for the fret time III the room OF Senator Sye OF
the morning near the middle OF that month, think. and
called upon Senator Nye when he remarked to me that
ness; / saw there Mr. Loeb; / not introduced to
him shortly after n the conse OF half an hour OF ess
! him to Q. In your Office rs Commissioner OF IN
Revenue a S ISeb What i5: u sS
view objected TO by counsel for the defendant
Mr. Bell said he wanted to show by the witness that
the interview Mr. Loeb lad with him In January was IN
reference application for remission OF certain
penalties The other side had opened the door to this In
quiry aud he Mr BelD wanted to show what the facts
| were.
| The Court-They have proved that tho other side
themselves The question is ruled out.
suAAi ye e & psFEyl aS P Sa 'GS Pas G'G IL
! saw him near the room OF Senator hye' near The
within two three mornings OF the frst time saw him;
Sy have pa s Soa % Sh ~ @ S sa nothing that
was by tie resosntcu e aaid nothing TO
Ioeb, a. next saw lin at tho commence nenr Of ihi:
eI III Nay 1885, a ySa sce M Loe6 N
A. have 40 recollection that did; believe should
1863 any other day during that month about that
time dld you meet Mr. Loeb just outside OF the building
is situate at washintoul A. did not. q Where is the
1ce 81 In S 5s1ra a Sd
sts. opposite the Treasury Deparment; Q Did you on
1 y,
at any other time about that date JON Mr. Loeb 10 New
York ave, and walk with hlmi 4 did not q. Did you
0 os anywhere RR at e al or
70, your knowledge, during that month"; A.
G the any o. the streets of AZ
that date, about mat tme hand you package while
piece Of f adsspa g ora es rom a Soo A. lie did
Did fs M i%S at any hSGh s
In Washington elsewhere, walk side by side with you
In fhA Qfr la mt Ingh aver md
you anything in the streets OF WaShington a. lie
reside A. My legal residence Is in New Hampshire
My personal and actual residence is In Washington. O.
Too 90 keep G%Tc f mo- ~ IN
ington. have been Internal Revenue Com
A. 5000 year it was 1900 until the statute Of July
1856 passed, liking 1t $1,000 year from the list of July
July. 1867 A. Yes @ How long have you had the as
1sians &c, OF nr IRSaS Harlan as your DEPUTY Since
Commissioned Does the power OF appointment lie in
one Is Spponted by tho President with eonrmSon 81
the Senate and two 10y the Secretary OF tho Treasury
Deputy co@4ssiondr from February think of sas
q. Until wheni A. Until was made Commissioner in
COMMISSIONER A. One portion Of the time Il was a. So
and another portion OF the time 1t 5000 the precise
point Of division don't know now q Prior to 1858.
what your Occupatoni A. 1 Cashier
OF the Internal Revenues my Office In Washington.
O. How long wero your cashieri A. was cashier from
April 1868. until made Deputy Commissioner In 1864
O. What your salary eashe1 A. $4,000 O. And be-
fore that time-beore you cashier-wbat was your
| occupation A. was practicng law Mt summerwel,
New.Hampshire. @. What your practice worth A.
That Is more than can reminder IL was something
above my family expenses. @ How much did 1t average
yearf Was 1t 81 Oooi A. have no doubt 1t was more
than that-s2OOo was for five six years in company
with gentleman with whom have not yet settled, as
have not had do left the books with him O.
Do you own any 81 real pTpSpey G G %hese
a, own two lots at my home; own q small unimproyed
proved portion at Rochester that is all O. Have You