The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-12-10

Inc llll was accordingly Withdrawn.
CoNAfyrrEE OF THE wHoLg-THE CENSUS BILL.
Ting House then went into Committee or the Whole
on tie state OF the unlon Mr.. DAWES IN the char,
aud resumed the consideration OF the Census Dl.
discussion grew up and was participated III by
many OF the members as to the most economical
manner OF taking the census MIR. Butler, OF Mass,
cOhtending that the work could be best ana most
appropriately performed by the officers OF the in.
ternal revenue. ana Mr. Garfield holding the ground
that small economy IN this matter wound be waste
1ulness.
Mr.. SCOFIELD, commenting on the remarks Of his
colleague, Mr. Kelley, rldlcuiing the idea OF false
economy IN this NATTER said he would like his col
league 70 read his own speeches delivered in Penn
syvana during the last fail campaign In favor Of the
republican party as the party Of economy.
MIR. KELLEY, trep.} OF Pa, asked his colleague to
state whether he had ever suggested in any OF his
speeches that 1t was wise economy to save pence
Mr.. ScOFlELD could not say that his colleague had
SAID that; but his colleague had SAID great many
too u.augnter.) He beileved,. after all. that the
salest aud best wav was TO go DacH 10 the old mode
and let the census be taken by tue United States
marsnals, who were bonded officers, and many Of
whom mad experience IN the matter. He had exa-
mined last night the Old Census bill OF 1850, and
found that many OF the best features OF the present
best. Tney nad reminded q witty trend OF his OF
Macaulay's reply 10 green young man who mad
written comedy and Sent him copy
Your comedy I've read, my friend,
And Ike the part you stole the best;
II stu the play you wish to mend,
Take courage, man, and steal the rest
(Laughter) SO II the Census Committee were to
take the whole bill OF 1857 and make the necessary
alterations It, he thought 1t would be improve
ment on the penang bill
Mr.. BUTLER, trep.j OF Mass, wishing to test the
OF the House on whether the present machinery
OF the government should be for taxing the
whether new sci VI officers should be created,
moved to amend the Fourth section by making 1t
read, that " shall be the DUTY OF the OF the
lnternal revenue IN eacn district TO cause all the
inhabitants TO be enumerated. Here was we'll
paio, well-trained aud thoroughly sted body OF OIL
who could do The work well. As to the objec-
ton urged by Mr.. Garfield that the people might not
like to give information to The internal revenue OIL
GERS lest II might have some effect ON their taxes ne
did not think there was muca force In that Every
one knew that the census was for the
very purpose OF asccrtainln0 the proportion Of
taxes, anu every one woald tnat IL was just
necessary TO give answers truly TO the assistant
assessor as to an enumerator. II members were
now to vote fer the appointment o. new oficer IN
each OF their districts with the appointment of q
NO could get they would be accused, however Justly
OR unJusy, OF voting that amount OF patronage into
their hands, and they mad got as much load OF that
description to carry as they ought TO load them
selves with and run a good race next fall. Espe-
cially was that SO when they had already set OF
oHicers with very little 70 do, ana no could do this
census work without any charge to Inc Treasury.
Mr. MAYNARD, Tep) OF Tenn, argued that st was
not TO expected that win the rate OF compensl-
ton provided Tor enumerators -four dollars O day
for SILKY days. competent men could not be pro-
cured or that any tning like complete census would
DC taken by them In some respects he thought well
OF the proposition OF the gentleman from Massachu-
sets (Mr. Butler).
Mr.. STOKES, trep3 OF Tenn, chairman Of the
Census Committee replied to Mr.. Maynard objection,
and expressed bis CONVICTION that competent men
could he got for four dollars per day. which was all
that members Of the Tennessee Legis AZURE received.
Mr.. JUDD argued on the great importance Of the
TAKEN not only by the Legislative department Of the
country but for the national creditors abroad. ana
expressed MS sentiment that no ideas OF economy
should be permitted 10 intervene as an obstacle to
perfect and complete census.
Mr.. GARFIELD also replied to the argument in
favor OF employing the Internal Revenue officers to
take the census taking the ground that the tax
gatherer was an oiiicer odlous to the people, who
should be thoroughly convinced that the
Tue whole cost OF taking the census Of 1850, excu-
sve OF printing ana publishing, was $131s, 900, and
OF that sum $685. 900 was for the payment OF assist
ant marshas, who did the work which the enumer-
atOrs would have 10 do. The force Of assistant
sors was now very small ana it wouia be necessary
TO appoint almost as many new officers ana agents
under The proposition OF the gentleman from Massa
causetts as under the bill reported by the committee
than proposed for enumerators; that the gen.
teman's proposition would not reduce the total ex-
pense silver; and BESIDES The whole work would
be rendered odous and mainly nugat0ry.
Mr.. ALLISON, Uep) OF Iowa. member Of the Gen.
sus COMMITTEE, also argued against the amendment
offered by Mr.. Butler. That proposition had been
fully and carefully considered by the committee aud
had been rejected. One OF the great objections to 1t
was that IL would absolutely. for the time being
interfere with the legitimate duties OF the Internal
Revenue Department.. Was the Commissioner OF
Internal Revenue to be diverted from his great and
legitimate business FOR Blk or seven months In the
year IN order to attend to the business OF collecting
census statisrics2
fere with the duties OF the Commissioner OF Internal
Revenue, but to place the assessors for this pur.
pose, under the Census superintendent
Mr. ALLISON remarked that then the proposition was
Still more Objectionable because 1t would place the
assessors and assistant assessors under two separate
and distinct Jurisdictions, which would make ICON
fusion worse confounded.n Ii would be impossible
for them TO act under two distinct and separate
Of the ,s he wound od Ss
but s sns ana great objection TO The
s S Business IL T s sn se w esS S
ment
Mr., wooo, den:, Of N. ", thought that the
arnandment oirefed by Mr. Butter was not without
merit and said that his first impulse had been to
favor anything which would restrict the patronage
of the administration, but, considering the vast
interests at stake, and knowing that the whole value
OF the census depended on Its precision and accu-
racy, he would not allow any feeling Of partisan
YORK Guy had very reluctantly into the system
OF internal taxation For months ana years
ena e o their a coastac lent no to 20 eyade
their responsibility 10 the government which
allowed 1t to contribute to It's expenses.
being drafted into the war, and from all
sorts OF inquistoria Investigations into their pr-
vate and other affairs the people naturally shrunk
from assessors and collectors OF internal revenue.
They have an instructive aversion TO giving those
officers that information which should oe obtained
in order TO have the census what II ought 10 be.
This bill not only proposed census OF tue popua-
tion, but TO no far beyond thai ana 10 inquire into
kHe HoSt anu ol llle-llqulrles
which had before been made either under this
any other government When the government
sends Its emissary into household IL must send at
least an acceptable agent, whom the people would
honestly and truthfully communicate with. Was the
assistant assessor OF that class lie thought not
Referring TO the New York census OF 1865, he stg-
matizcd It as shameful partisan fraud upon the
people, which had cut down the population or the
c,ty by 100000 Tor the purpose OF not allowing 1t
proper representation in the state Legislature. In
fact, lt was admitted to be no census ut ALL
Mir. JENcKEs, rcp.l of II. l., agreed that there was
something Of value IN each OF the pending PROPOSE
tions, aud That While the assessors should not be
employed to take enumeration, the statistical In
formation possessed by the Internal Revenue bureau
should he utilized Tor the purpose OF the census.
Mr. BUTLER OF Mass, closed the debate by an
argument In support OF his amendment. He claimed
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