The New York herald., 1869-06-28
WASHING TON.
ANDY JOHNSON AT THE CAPT. a,
Terrific DenunciatiOn Of Gr ~, \, no
Great lmpeae' aea
NO SOUL, NO 1T FAC No pnYvrv
riosf'''' Of the Recognition
of Cuba.
Of the Recognition
of Cuba.
'O' .gnment Agent to Report Upon the
Strength Of the Insurgents.
Prospects of a Republican Defeat
in Pennsylvania.

WASHINGTON June 81, 1859.
An Interview with Andy JOhnsOn-His Opinion
of Gynnt-Terrible DenunciatiOn of the Presi-
dent,-Butier's Cunning-The Famous Stan.
ton Quarrel.
Ex-President Johnson arrived here this evening
ana was waited upon soon after reaching the Metro
poli.an Hotel by your spondent who found the
exPresident comfortably quartered in one of Shell
]ys best parlors and looking quite fresh and hearty
Andrew Johnson plain citizen, received your CORE
spondent with the same cordiality and Kindness that
distinguished him highly while an occupant Of the
White House.
"Glad to see you, sir,u said the president, at
the same time handing a chair to your correspond.
ent and sitting down himself "Sit down, SIR"
CORRESPONDENCE came to pay my respects, Mr..
johnson, and at the same time, to learn If there was
any particular object in your visit.
ANDY JoHNsoN-Nothng public, sir. ! have some
private business to attend to here and have also
son at Georgetown College, the only son LETT to me
now. came to see him and attend the Commence
ment OF that college.
CORRESPONDENCE believe. Mr.. Johnson, You are
the first President since the time OF John Quincy
Adams who has revisited the Capital after retiring
from the White House.
ANDY JOHNSON Qaughing) g)-Really, cir, / don't
know how that is. My attention was never directed
to the point before. 1t may be so, however.
CoRREsPoNDENT-wer, Mr. Johnson, to change
the subject what do they now think Of this admins.
tration down in Tennessee9
ANDY JoHNsoN-I don't know that you ought to
ask me such question. People would be very
likely to attribute an unfavorable opinion from me
as prompted by improper motives. You know very
well, sir, for. you were familiar with my views
while was President, what my estimate Of
I of thot
has since occurred that has caused me to change my
mind the slightest / know Grant thoroughly l
had ample opportunity to study him when 1 was
President, and am convinced he Is the greatest
farce that was ever thrust upon people. Why the
little fellow-excuse me for using the expression,
but can't help plying him-the little fellow has
nothing in him. He hasn't single idea. He has no
policy no conception OF what the country requires
He don't understand the philosophy Of a single
great question, and Is completely lost in trying TO
understand his situation. He Is mendacious, cum
ming and treacherous. He lied to me nagrantly, by
God, and convicted him by my whole Cabnet but
that would have been toerapIe were IL the only
instance, but 1t was not. He lied on many other
occasions. l tell you, sir Grant Is nothing more
than bundle OF petty spites, Jea.ousies and resent
ments. And yet they say Grant is a second Wash
ington. Only think of 1t, when you compare him
with Washington or Jefferson where is hef Why
he is SO small you must put your finger on him. He,
little upsart coward, physically aud intellectu.
ally, to be compared to George Washington Why, it
makes me laugh. have more pity for the man than
contempt, for i have no spite against him. But
fear for the country when such q man is lkened 10
the father Of his country Why, just look at the in
augural Of Washington. He speaks about his fear
and trembling in accepting the Presidency, even
after all his experience and success. But this little
fellow Grant, an upstart q mere accident Of the
war, creature without the ability to comprehend
the philosophy OF a single great question, says
In his inaugural, 81 know the responsibility
is great, but / accept IL without fear.n Is that
like Washington or JenersonS Pshaw It's mon-
strous to think Of Grant, l tell you sir,
ias no ideas, no policy. Why, Washington
considered that O mans greatness was measured by
his morality, by the standard OF his soul. And
have always considered that the more soul man
had, the more he developed the soul or intellect
within him, the more Godlike he became.
But, sir, Grant has nothing. Physically
and mentally and morally he is q nonentty.
Why, sir, his soul is small that you could put it
within the periphery Of hazel nutshell and 1t
might noat about for O thousand years without
knocking against the walls OF the shell. That's
the size OF his SOUL Just look at the man
sitting at a Cabinet council. He has no
idea, no policy, no standard, no creed, no
faith. How can he guide the peoplei How
can he impress any great improvements or moral
ideas upon the natonH lie has no object to look
forward 70, no leading aim TO draw the people to-
wards any particular end lie sits there with his
Cabinet. One member has bought him house in
Philadelphia, another has given him $4,000,
another has given him carriage and
30 on. 1t is degrading to the ofice
OF President ofthe United States TO have such man
there. They talk about his generalship. Wen, he
was mere incident Of the war; Men and arms were
supplied in abundance, and mis- forces were so
siye that they simply crushed out the rebellion. IL
would have heen done had Grant never been born.
Therefore he waa mere incident But the
little fellow has coWs 70 think he Is somebody
really. can't help pityine lnni when thinR how
well know him and what an innnstessimal creature
he really is. often think that aboSt the fttiest
place for Grant s at some place in the counsy where
there are cross roads. have been at those places
and have often noticed the scenes. AZ
one corner perhaps there is q small black
smiths shop. At another corner OF the cross
roads there Is grocery store, and at another q
house where the squire meets to settle cases. We'll,
have often noticed at such junction OF several
roads that when the squlres business Is over some
fellows will propose horse race, and to give inter-
est 10 the thing barrel OF cider and perhaps half
gallon Of whiskey viii be staked on the result. Now
Grant s just suited to such situation. His ideas
are Of the cross roads order, and he has not o
thought above that.
CoRREsPoSDEST-what do you think OF the gene.
raj situation nowi
q ANDY JoHSsoS-well, think we are tending 10
pespotism OF anarchy, unless proper direction is
gwen to the dsorderly elements at work. We are
fhyeatened with an aristocracy Of bondholders A
oneyed aristocrscy, they say, is the most detest.
able; Nbut credit aristocracy, which is only
the sh sdow Of the substitute for money, is
worse stu; for 1t Is the moneyed aristocracy di.
iuted and adulterated. say the bondholder is
credit arist ocrat. Here is the producer raising
his wheat or hi corn. What Ia It worth to himf He
sells 10 for the CT edit Of the bondholder. The bond
holder gives hs Gre lit to the producer in exchange
for the latters goods, ana says You may take our
credit but we win put Ne gold ana silver into our