The Evansville journal. [volume] (Evansville, Ind.) 1866-1870, 1869-07-14
EUROPE.
By the Atlantic Telegraph.

7 LONDON, July 13.-The debate O
the Irish Church bill, in the Hous
Of Lords, was resumed last night
Earl Clancarty moved that its thir,
reading be postponed three months
Earl Derby was still opposed to tht
bill, but favored the amendments
! Clancarty's motion was withdrawn
Derby gave notice that he shoulC
offer protest against the bill Th,
bill was then read the third time. AT
amendment was adopted by $50 to s:
omlttlng the clause permitting Bish
ops to retain their seats. A provisC
was adopted by 121 to Ia, providing
furnished residences and globes fol
the Catholic and Presbyterian clergy
and adopting the principle of concur.
rent endowment, was then passed
Earl Derby's protest was then pre-.
sented, and the Lords adjourned,
after an exciting session.
LONDON, July 13 The debate on
| the Irish Church Bill was resumed In
the House Of Lords last evening.
Earl Clancady moved the bill be
read third time three months hence.
| He opened the debate in a speech In
support Of his motion. He admitted
! that the verdict Of the country In the
late elections was favorable to the bill,
but the details were then unknown to
the people. He believed that if the
matter were tested now the bill would
be rejected.
Earl Derby said that beyond op-
posing the second reading he had con-
tented himself by giving a silent vote.
HIS objections to the bill were not re-
moved. He was opposed on princi-
pie to disestablishment and disen-
d0wment, even with the amendment
introduced. The established church
was lett with a miserable plttance, alb
solutely Insufficient for the purpose
lie would vote for the amendments If
pressed, but he advised their with
drawal so as to throw the responsible
lty Of rejecting reasonable amend
meDts on tho Commons He hoped
the Lords would firmly resist all at
tempts Of the Commons to modify the
amendments.
Further discussion ensued, after
which the amendments were with
drawn.
Earl Derby announced his inten-
tion to submit a protest against the
bill The bill was then read the third
time, aud the question REQUIRED,
g Shall the bill plss?" Earl Devon
moved, as an amendment, the omission
of the clause permitting Bishops to be
retained in their seats, and spoke
In favor of his motion. Earl Degrey,
on the part Of the Government,
supported the amendment Lord
Cairns opposed any alteration Of the
amendments. lie thought it was no
greater anomaly to allow the Bishops
to retain their seats than the bill
itself, which is altogether an anomaly
and full of novelties. Earl Caerna-
van supported the amendment He
urged the point that if the Bishops
were allowed to keep their seats, the
substance would have gone, but the
shadow would be retained He
thought it better that the measure be
fiBal and complete. Lord Hatherly
urged the Inconsistency of the reten-
ton of seats to the Bishops when the
qualification was gone.
After further discussion, the House
of Lords was divided, with the fol-
lowing result: For the Amendment,
190; against it, 90. The announce
ment was greeted with continued
cheering from the ministerial benches.
Earl Stanhope moved for the in
sertion Of a proviso, for furnished
residences and globes for the Catho-
lie and Presbyterian clergy, and intro
| duced the principle of concurrent
| endowment The Duke of Somerset
| thought The bill ought to be liberal
/ to Catholics and Protestants, and what
the bill wanted throughout. was a
| little generosity; that the House OF
/ Commons In their amendments pro-
fessed to give generosity, but, un-
fortunately, their liberality was all
oue-sided. He supported the reso-
luton
Earl Kimberly opposed the motion
on the ground that it was contrary to
the pledges given by the Liberal
party at the general election.
Earl Granard also opposed the
amendment. The Catholic hierarchy
was not prepared TO accept State
endowments. 1t was impossible for
Catholics to vote for State endow-
ments. 1t was impossible to vote fol
the motion except at the expense oil
consistency and good faith. What
the Irish Catholics wanted was the
disestablishment aud disendowment
of the ests blished Church, and socia
and political equality in place of the
system OF ascendency. which ostracised
Catholics and deprived the Irish Of
all local f-government.
Earl Dunevon said the hopes oi
the Catholics had been much disap
pointed by the character which tnC
bill had assumed. Instead of beinl
I - T. 4,
disendoWment, it was a measure O.
disestablishment and re-endowment
He urged the point that Parliamen
would never remove discomfort, or re
tain the confidence Of the Irish. bu
by a bona tide measure guaranteeing
perfect equality.
Earl Russell supported the motion
He favored religious equality in Ire
land, but without the principle o
concurrent endowment, the presen
bill does not give it.
, Lord Westbury had not voted fo
the second reading of the bill, out o
J Difference to public opinion. H
thought the last election was not suf
ficiently understood to enable tn
} country to dictate to the Legislature
He thought the present construction
of the church was great evil. III
would favor any measure of benehcia
reform. He regarded the present tim,
as an opportunity to send forth a mes
sage of peace aud religious equality
aud he would regret if this opportu
nifty to restore peace were lost through
the bigotry of one party or high spiri
of the other which induced them t,
, disclaim current endowment and pro
nounce it a sin for a religious sec
which comprises 19 20ths of tn
. Christian world. He thonght nnles