New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-02-11


| The sPEAKER-Then the motion is In order. 10,
Mr. THOMAs-I have risen to pariamenIry fSr
fbe Uoue OF Representatives TO vote TO superceue tne
concurrent resolution of both Houses o.,,or vvou,d in
volve discussion of the question OF wnat sp no
with the joint Sp: SSer TO The Chair
only answer questions affecting the House OF
| Mr. THOMAs-I submit the motion to reconsider anu
will LET each member act on his own responsibility.
Mr.. DICKEY-I move to lay the motion 10 recoH'i'''
The House then proceeded vote by Yeas and NAYS
from t senate announcing that had resolved that Io
objection made to the counting OF the 'oleo4 '''"
Mr. WOOD moved that the further taking OF the vote DO
DISPENSED with the Senators being " the r could
be arrested except by the CONSTITUTIONS oAP"
NE BcTLER-No. no. Let the House stick to s uS
nifty. -, an, tbe motion 70 reconsider
80 id an Tie table by vote OF III yeas TO % nays a.,
The following Republican meip ,L1o Messrs Baker
Beaman Beatty Bingham. Boydel,, baia Koontz Lar
kns Hubbard Of Iowa, JenGSeS' "orh@ad Pile smith,
" i sPF FR then at l:2J o'clock announced tna
| tbe House would receive the Senate ot inc OHi'cu
e senators entered hall for tho third time. TOOK
tho seats set apart them and senator NDE, y,
siding officer again called the Joint 10 po
and announced that the objections OF inc gen'iei" o
| Wassarhusetts were Overruled by the Senate. -,
| Mr. BUTLER, renewing the attack lnpe.uousy' S"iu'
NE fPTESTsIpINC OFFICER vany attempting to S
more the question Of orde directed the Iecrs 10 go Oh
Mr. BUTLER determined not TO be set aside IN tn ,
way said-Mr. President: desire TO state tna' ,no
IInnse sustaus the objection Of the gentleman from Mas
sachusetts and now submit resolution: Wo 40 hot
consider that to be oyeued By the senate III that
way Laughter and manifestations OF approval ana eli
oourag cement from surrounding menbersl ECONOMICALLY
manner-The Char declines receive the resoutlonand
the teers win make out the statement oI inc wye
and great confusion and excitement ,,-
Mr. BUTLEE-I appeal from the decision OF inc Chalr
TO the Convention. Calls to order Dy MI MoOdl We
will see whether have any rights here. Whispers OF
approval aud encouragement .,.,,.. 80, o. mind
Mr. Butler and addressing the Teers VINO were rather
obey ordersThe Tellers viii make out the state
ment a. the concurrent resolution directs
Mr. BUTLER Observation-Disclosures tho CHAIR entertain
~ The PRESIDING OFFICER (leAanty. and as II he
felt considerably annOyed)-I do not. lLanglterI
| MIR. BUTLER-Then appeal from the decision OF the
The PRESIDING oFFICER-The Chair does not enter
the appeal. Laughter aud encouragement from the
MIR BUTLER Cpersstently)-Does the Chair hold as a
matter OF order that the Senate can overa!e inc House
lCIes of Order order" from the senatorial side OF
the chamber and encouragement from TIE opposite sde
| Mr.. FARNsWORTH-I rise to a question OF order 80
Mr. BUTLER without allowing Mr. Fdrnsworth TO 20
any farther with his question OF order, aud pushing MS
coatseeves up to his elbows II preparing Tor an Gu
counter and determined to hold his own IN ~ went on TO
say do not understand that the representatives Oh 9
people can be oyerruled Loud shouts OF Order
raise the question of order Sir that decision Of tho
Senate shall override tho orders ana resOuOs OF
this House. aud know that therein speak the >enti-
around him-Do mott Conflicting declarations OF he
does" he does not" aud increasing confusion aud eA-
citeInont Now SIR he continued Undressing the Pre-
siding ORcer who seemed oyerpowered 0y the impetu
o,fy of the attack, and silently wishing 10 be back
again in the quiet and sede Senate ChamDer) snail We
The PRESIDING OFFICER only answered that debate
| not IN order.
pectfuJ am not debating 1t, Sir NO arbitrary proceed
ings VIII be suffered here.
| The PRESIDING OFFICER-If the gentleman Is not
debating he Will take his seat.
This papablo hit drew forth laughter aud applause,
which seemed 20 inspire the Presiding Ohcer win Iresh
! cauTdge 10 meet aud resist the attack
Mr. BUTLER-I am not debating. appeal from the
The PRESIDING OFFICER, emtlyJ the appeal is not
| tender mood appeal from that decision
The presiding oeor, deaf TO all such appeals again
directed tellcrs 10 with the count Dir. Butler
persisted IN addressing the Chair. .
! MIR. WOOD inquired whether there was not Sergeant
alarms attached this body aud expressed the hope
that IL there was he should exercise his authority
| for the reading OF the rules governing this body
| Tue PRESIDING OFFICER replied that 10 was not.
Buer said: object 10 any further proceedings the
part THE body until tAat appeal IL entertained aud
The PRESIDING OFFICER-The relors viii declare
Mr.. INGERsoLL-An appeal has been taken.
The PRESIDING OfFiCER-Ah appeal cannot DO
Mr. BUTLER-Mr President
Tho PRESIDING OFflCEK-Tho gentleman from Mas
slchusets viii resume his scat Great confusion and
excitement The gentleman from Massachusetts VIII
President: desire reading OF the Joint rule on the
counting Of the votes, which expressly states That vote
which objected cannot be counted. except by the
concurrent vote Of both Houses. This House las voted
Mr. COVODE (cncoura gingy)-That Is the point.
| Mr.. BUTLER-Now do not know any powers that the
President OF the Senate has 10 oyerruc tnc rule aud the
| resolution OF the House
The PRESIDING OFFICER, persstlng in never mind
ir Hr, Gs th come, 9er rent souton ~
| Mr. INGERsoLL-I object.
The PRESIDING OFFICER-I can't help that
| Shouts OF laughtcr.I
MIR. INGERS0LL2I object, and now the Senate can
retire to consider the objection. Cres Of order"
! order" and great excitement
Mr. ELDRGDGE Oocularlyj- 1t DO in order TO let
| US have peace. Loud Laughter
Mr. BUTLER lwho had not during all this turn oil
taken his seat-l again Insist upon my appeal from the
The PRESIDING oFFICER-Tho Chair has decided
that appeal cannot DC entertained III this joint Con
Mr. BUTLERzFrom that decision take an appeal;
| Tho PRESIDING OFFICER-The Chair decides that
! in the same way Shouts OF laughtcrJ
MI. VAN HORN tMoJ made point Of order that after
the retiring Of the Senate the objection Of the gentle
from Massachusetts, there had been no report made
TO the action OF both Houses, and that they could not
| proceed until fun report was made
Several Members-Ihat Is "A good point OF Order Ihat
| Is right - , - d,
Order).-The have all been counted aud state
ment OF them will DC made by the Tellers under the Con
Mr. DRTGGs~I move that the Convention adjourn
| Mr.. BUILER-Let us have the House to ourselves
| Laughter and applause respectfully move, sir, that
the senate have leave TO retire Cappng OF hands aud
manifestations Of encouragement from the members sur
Senator DOOLITTLE-Mr. President I rise 20 point
Of order Everything except the execution Of the Joint
rule Of both Houses IN out OF order, and demand That
the order Of both Houses shall now be executed.
Mr.. VAN HORN-Mr. President 1 demand decision
on the point Of order which have made.
Mr. DICkEI-l desire To make an Inquiry OF the Chair,
whether II competent for the Senate to decide ques
ton OF order In this joint convention.
The PRESIDING OEFiCER-That s no question.
Mr.. INGEISOLil-Mr. President there must be some
Misunderstanding In reference To the question At this
it not generally understood here by the moinbers
OF the House
This all Of the House rOr. that has reached up the hour Of