The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-07-20

Upper Ten. -
LONDON, July q, 1869.
The debate upon the Irish Church bill in the Com.
mittee OF the House OF Lords partaKes, in a con-
siderable degree, OF the character OF tempest in
teapot As the readers OF the HERALD have al.
ready been advised, the second reading OF the
blll by the Lords neither ensured its final enact
ment before the close OF the session, nor averted
wholly the threatened collision between the two
houses OF the British Parliament for the reason tina,
many OF the Peers who voted with the government
on that question did with the avowed intention OF
accomplishing indirectly the same end which Lord
Derby was prepared to secure by a bold and
direct act. The real opposition TO Mr.. Gadstone's
measure has, therefore, developed itself IN the
several amendments to which it has already been
subjected. and in those OF which notice has been
gwen and which yet remain to be acted upon. Thus
parsOnages ana globes have been given to the
Church gratultously; the calculation OF life
interest has been so fixed as to double the amount OF
compensation, ascertaned by the general rule
the grants OF gnbe lands in Ulster have been con-
frmed to the disestabished Church private gifts
anu everything has and will be done to render dis
endowment imperative by leaving to the Irish
Church all the property it,at present enjoys. At the
same time by very decisive votes the Lords have
declared against the evellIng up principles Of con-
current endowment and have refused to strike out
the clause granting compensation to Maynooth Col
lege
1t win be seen therefore, that the friends OF the
Irish Churcn, after all their sentimental eloquence
have settled down into sharp, practical men of
business and, giving up their professed determine
ton to oppose the sacrilegous policy OF disestab
lIshment to the bitter end casting about to Sc
cure to the Church as large share as possible Of
the loaves and fishes that have threatened to
slip from its grasp. In this philosophical course,
the most active participants have been found among
the bishops, and all the eloquence, sharpness aud
ability Of the right reverend bench have been exert
ed during the past four or five DAYS to the rich
pickings, large and small, which have for so many
years attached to the establishment IN the sister
isle. When we examine the amendment, however,
impressed with the conviction that the
reverend legislators and their friends have adopted
tie policy generally attributed 10 the followers of
Church much older than their own, and have taken
care to MAKE their first demand in striking bar
gain so exorbitaDt as TO leave very wide
margin, i9aeed ior subsequent la,i rn s
be satisfied in the eleventh hour to abate
something OF his sweeping policy rather than
lose the work OF whole session, and that the
wherewhal to keep Irish rectoTs Fat and jolly with
noses indicative OF well-hlled cellars, may yet be
spared to the unfortunate dlsestaoished. But Will
their expectations be realized? Nothing is more
certain than that the House OF Commons VIII
refuse 10 agree IN the amendments sent down
to them from the Lords. They VIII not
prove stleklers in minor matters and so far
ment for another year and the payment of lump
sum TO the irish cnurcn as compromise for private
. donations are concerned, the Commons may allow
their measure 10 be modified But they will yield no
further and the disagreement between the two
houses will be referred TO committee OF confer
towards harmony. IL appears TO be much
more key n such r an , event ,o that that ,, the
the Commons. It is notorious that the Irish Church
bin has held the Ministry together, by posponing
other questions OF reform upon which the members
OF the government might not be SO well united and
the defeat OF the measure through The stubbornness
OF the Lords could not fail to give greater strength
and wider popularity to the present Cabinet.
Looking at the matter from practical and prob
ably selfish point Of view 81, Mr. Gaastop ne
creating hundred or so OF new peers which the
contumacy OF the Lords would afford him, while
ma,ntaned SO successfully at the polls would serve
to remove prevailing doubt IN the full sincerity oil
his professions OF extreme Liberalism The people
would rally around him with enthusiasm, while
his new creation OF peers would give MN a
the Upper House. But how would the Lords be
affected by the defeat OF the bill Eventually they
would be driven to the wall; for the power OF the
power OF any special, privileged class, ana
they would be fortunate IL they escaped WITH
element into their system. If their real OPP
position to disestabAshmens and disendow-
ment comes, not from any regard Tor the
Irlsh Church per Sc but from the apprehension that
the present bill may be followed by others relating
TO the land question and 10 the English Establish
ment. tneir obstinate course viii only render the
extension oil the principle theJ so mueh onead a
more easy matter. Upon the WBoie tne pTOoaUNly
appears 70 be that the Peers after submitting their
wholesale amendments TO the test OF the Lower
House, VIII accept inc origina phi a WIN an sG pa
in the end the same prudent regard Tor tnelr OWE
interests that secured the second reading VIII carry
the measure safely through the pefIioas passage U
the Lords by majority OF ten to twenty votes
We have had a horsewhipping case IN London !.
enliven the dulness OF Parliamentary speechmaKlng
An attack upon the late Lord Carrngtoi
appeared some two weeks or so ago II
a paper called the QUeea's Messenger, and III
1ofr
nection OF the Duke OF buckingham aud membe
OF the Conservative Club as the author me Pre-
lieutenant In the Horse Guards twenty-hy
years OF age, having provided himself w, wit
says-and two thick sticks, determined t
vndicate his fathers honor by beating al
alleged traducer. Accordingly as Murray lei
his club few nights since. at the dangefo,n
hour OF half-past twelve, he was a0costed on IN
Snlred IL If he was Mr.. Grenviiie Murray and bein
answered in the Affirmative immediately bestowe
upon him "a eeoe TV a ha %p w no utbe
damage. The assault, however, was suftceI
to dave Grenvile Murray back to the sheltt
OF his own club from the less friendly club OF h
assaIlant. The affair was thoroughly English a
through Murray was followed into the club by y
angry young lord, VINO accused hun OF writing
his paper, against his ordshp's father. 81 hay
done no such thing and | nave no paper
Lord Darlington Seemed scared and went away
correspondence has, Of course, ioh owe ~ !,
collision between mis- orashps thisk sslck az
Know that the letters are not OF hostile characte
Lord Darlington, through big solicitors declines
express any'regret for what has bappened, or eV,
70 indemnify the Duke OF RucknghanPs relative
paving for his damaged hat, whereupon Grenvi
Murray publishes letter, in which he says
Ihaye lived much abroad and had acted AZ my feein
n,omn,es / should have horsewhipped Lord Csrriugt
and sent him a challenge My friends, however, ure
that, Independent OF breaking the law, when we
ali bound to respect, 1t would be simply nalcnlt
for an oncer of mature age and belonging 70 a ers
nrotesson Ia aQht duel with antagonist young nou
10 be his SON They advised me to treat the case as
one had n
Lord Caringoo put himself in that category oy reu
10 apologize, did so.
The alluson TO the grave" profession TO wnl
Grenville Murray belongs, IL well calculated 10 ma
the blood OF young Lord Darlington run coia az
reflects upon all that the man he assaulted mig
have done done IAN ne wQuld." BU as no blood
likely 10 be sned his iofdship, 10 SAID, mas O
pensed with the further services OF MS prlhengntl
fr,end and has burned up his two thick SUCKS In
.naauttne tho Conservative club has taken up