The New York herald., 1869-07-18
The Irish Church Bill-The Lords an,

The Irish Church Bill-The Lords and
Commons.
The Irish Church bill, which has been a
fertile topic of discussion for the last nine or
ten months, becomes more interesting as the
days roll on and furnishes more convincing
proof that the struggle between the pro-
gressive and conservative classes in Great
Britain, as exemplifed in this bill, is radical
and seri ons.
The fast and loose play of Mr.. Disraeli
during the progress of the last Reform bill-a
bill with which his name will be lastingly
associated--has not been so successful as the
conservative party and its leaders believed it
would be. The conservative party did carry
the Reform bill 1t was their belief that their
connection with the bill would secure for them
the favor of the people. They made a bold
effort to beat the liberals on their own
ground. In 80 far as the carrying of the
bill was concerned they were completely sue
cessiul In so far as they counted on the
winning over of the people to their side they
have completely failed. The House of Com
mons. elected under the new electoral princi-
ples. has proved itself to be really and truly
peoples House The irish Church bill has
proved that the late Reform bill has called
| into existence power which is running and
which will ultimately ruin the tories. 1t is a
confirmation of the old and familiar adage
! that fair play in the long run wins
The news which we published yesterday and
| that which give to-day affords convincing
! proof that the Commons are now stronger than
they ever were before, and of course, great
deal stronger than the Lords In revising the
Irish Church bill the Lords were fooiishly
Jealous of privilege and stupidity interfering
From their point Of view the amendments
which they carried were, no doubt, wise and
sensible enough. But their point of view is
such that they cannot understand the situation.
They cannot see it. We never for a moment
imagined that the Commons would tolerate
justified our Judgment. The amendments
have gone bv the board. On one point, ant
on one point only, has the government yielded
1t was part of the original plan that privat'
grants made to the Church since 1860 shoult
remain the property Of the Church. 1t wa
moved in the House Of Lords that all sucl
, grants made prior to 1860 be held sacred. II
this the government has 40 far Welded that
proposes to cover all claims Of that characte
, by special grant Of half million pounds ster
4 ling On no other point has the government
given way. The debate throughout, an
: especially the closing remarks Of Messrs. Glad
8 stone and Bright, conclusvely prove that th
Lords are not 20 expect from the Common
e any further concessions. II will be seen lroI
: our telegraphic columns this morning that
/, committee has been appointed to draw mp
report embodying the reasons for disagres
. ment to the amendments OF the Lords. VIII
y out delay we shall have the bin back in n
a Upper House.
!. What will the Lords do? There are tv
Al legitimate courses open to them. They ma
again carry the amendments and return u
bill TO the Lower House, or they may conte
4 themselves with Lord Derbys protest al
Iy gracefully yield. If they adopt the iatt
at course tie conflict will he ended. If th
r adopt the former course it is really difhcult
= say what form the conflict may assume. Su
re contests between the Lords aud Colnmo