The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-12-23
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The Italian Situation Outside
the Council.
Organization of tho Hierarchical Assem-
blage-Its Parties, Policy and Strug-
Cling Democracy Austrian Di-
plomacy and Reception"
at the Ministry.

ana th of December illustrative OF the social situa-
alton which exists In Italy outside the Holy City,
and descriptive OF the iniIiatory ceremonials the
| organization Of the Ecumcnical Council. The COM
muncations In continuation OF the chain OF our
special narrative from the Eternal CITY, commenced
Immediately after the first arrival Of the prelates.
They are OF very interesting character noting the
state or parties and the incpient murmurings OF
| mocracy at the Vatican. The American diocese Of
Buffalo has. as win be seen double headed dele
| CATION In Rome In the persons OF Its Catholic and
Protestant bishops
| Tho Italians On tho Moral Situation Out
aide tho COuncil-'sLooking Aftcr'' tho Spec
edo and Understanding tho Bishops
fapal Infalibility, Its Advocates and Oppo-
nents-Attitude Of tho Mexican Bishops
Democracy Making Way-An American
Protestant Prclatc.
RoxB, Dec s, 1869.
One OF those incidents which cause over nervous
visitors some anxiety, and which Is peculiarly ltaiian
took place recently, lew miles outside OF the Polta
Pa. party OF gentlemen started Oh hunting ex
petition early IN the morning-three a. M.-and
when about five miles from Rome were commanded
Ito halt, to- stand end hand over" their goid
bank notes, watches, rings DC Signor Sinlm.
bergii jolly yender Of tea, pepper, mustard and
sugar, and whose shop Is contiguous TO the Pan
the0n couldn't see 1t, and made tracks for Rome.
His fast steed travelled fast but the bullet or the
brgand travelled faster; the ball STRUCK him q
little below the right scaDula He saved his
scudi, but lost q good deal OF blood. When he ar
rived at the Porta PA he almost tainted but being
man OF strong constitution he has NOT suffered much.
AT present he Is confined to his house. but IS not IN
any danger. The companions OF Signor Sinimbergu
have been robbed OF everything anu the gendarmcs
not in high esteem just now. This little incident
authorities nave taken measures that no such daring
act shall take place again.
But who are the highwaymeni This question has
been discussed ana the ragged Pierari are credited
with the outrage. This class OF MINISTRIES are at
present making Rome melodious, D pipe
and sheepskin fashioned like q Scotch bag
pipe can do 80. But long before fashionable Rome
has washed lts face or left Its cosey pillow these
musical monsters blow AWAY, and, Heaven knows,
they MAKE noise enough TO wake up the drc wsiest
Of Jorestiert Roman. Every petty village In the
States Of the Church has It's musician; some
bow q pipe, others the scotch bagplpes. and the
major part the hurdy-eurdy A wag has stated that
they nave come greet the opening OF the Council.
They DO gree: English and AMERICANS against their
Will; but there are many tnnss here that one must
endure and The music aforesaid Is not the least.
That they s1renade Dy Gay and rob by night Is gen.
orally believed, least the poor fellows have The
credit Tor roobing the companioas oil the lat grocer
near the Pantheon. ana wounuing that excellent
gentleman and CITIZEN OF glorious, odorous Rome.
The ID vi December all the patriarchs arch0ishops
anu bishops assembled AZ an early nour IN the vati-
can and took al oatn IN the presence OF the Pope
That they shall not diyuge &c. any OF the secrets
oil the Council. ON the ID Inst. all the stenograpners
dld tho same In tue presence OF their Respective
| Tne discussion that the late pastoral of bishop
Dupanloup caused has not exactly terminated. The
Jesuts ale very reticent and careful about saying
| anything about the matter, as they KNOW Mon
scignenr Dupanloup is warm friend OF the Pope
aud the ablest bishop IN France or III Europe. But
French bishops not, Glass; very friendly with
Italian or Eng ISL ones. Ine Iormerths ltallanS-are
IN favor Of the personal inlallibty dogma a. per-
sona compliment to nus IX Tue abest Of the latter
Archbishop Manning, Is not only III favor Of H. but
has Written pamphlet in support Of hs views and
! IS using his influence with his brother bishops from
| England but there are lew OF tnem incined to
| oppose the dogma. the Germans don't look At the
matter as tho french nor as the English DO. They
think that at present II Is very fnopportune to
/ sent any such question; their solid common sense
with have great weight III tue Council; they love the
Church and It's Ponlin better than The French and
| as much as the most Jealous ol English uisramon-
| Ianes but lney nave great and learned people TO
please and II Is too late the nineteenth century to
introduce d0gmas that are really OF no 70 morals
or reilsion, but solely as personal COM
VI the Jesuits wnO desire to Keep they are at The
head OF the affairs OF rome anu on the right side
| the author Of tine Immaculate conception dogma
Toe German hierarchy have another cause vi CON-
plant, and one tnaJ VIII eventually cause trouble
n there be any semDlance OF dlctatlon. When tue
| Augsburg Gazette made Inc startling announcement
that there were many other questions to be pre-
| scutcu Ill the COUNCIL thas were not communicated
| 10 them they fell naturally surprised. You know
that when the Pope sent tile invitation to the
bishops to come TO Rome he enclosed to each one
some questions which no stated would DO
| presented 10 the Council and admonished
his venerable brothers TO study the same; but
lie did not nlnt word ABOUT other sub ects and was
silent the personal inialiioity and the question
oil . free Cnurcn IN Tree state. Tue other ques
lions were submitted TO COMMISSIONS That were
manipulated by lhe Jesuiis. The whole was arranged
as secretly as possible, out some one communicated
the above facts TO the Augsburg 6dsete. and the
Gov vynr nnfn MI ma Rrat rntr
against the personal iufalbllty; the Jesuits naye
been checkinated have admitted they have been be-
trayed. The excitement caused by the announce
ment in the Gaxete mas been OF the most important
nature: but the wary trends OF the question That
appear INDIFFERENT TO the opinions OF any one they
know well how To create al excitement; they are
adopts In getting out Of diemmas, Dat tho present
aspect OF the great question that every member OF
the order has At heart Ii not very promising.
The bishops IRON Mexico are down on the men,
beers Of the society OF Jesus. When the Council
vcnes they viii that tne education OF the youth
OF Mexico BIO taken out OF their hands and that the
regular clergy and irars subject to and entirely de-
pendent on the bishop OF the diocese Tns VIII open
lively debate. because there are many other bi3li-
ops who dislike to have mitrcd anbots and heads OF
orders dividing the n0nors OF the diocese. Many OF
the bishops dislike " inicate any sucn reforms, bus
II such question once comes before tho Council
there Will % many In favor Oh It that at present. are
Almost indifferent to II.
There Is a tribe OF democracy cropping out once
and awhile among toe fathers. One OF them indlr-
nantly remarked the Other dag that bishops OF the
Churcn are not treated as they should De; tnas
| tney nave 10 go ana DOW before ana dance attend
hnce upon cardinals VINO have sees, not oven q
parish church, and who are nothing but mere local
iuncIionares; while venerable men who nave do
ceses larger than Rome and all the states OF the
Church put together after long Journeys by sea and
land fatyued aud faded are hardly taken notice OF.
Bishops Il Is true are not OF much account In Rome
and very fow like to come here. They are rs plenty
Just now upon the Cors0 shoulder straps were III
| pennsylvania avenue during the American war.
Men VINO are honored by the best OF their fellow c1t
zens irrespective OF creed at home don't like to bt
treated as nobodies In Rome; but the discipline OF
the Church II SO complete they mus bear 1t ~
| pnilosophicaly a. they eau.
Bishop Coke, OF Buffalo, In here II would be
joke he sent in his claim for seat In the Council
Double Episcopal Delegation from Bunnio-
Right Rev. DR.. Coke and His Stndies-Ar
Austrian Diplomatic Rccsption-The Drcss