The New York herald., 1869-06-15


In the House Of Peers tonight, in anticipation OF
the debate the Irish Church Bill there full
attendance OF their lordships, all the seats the
door being occupied. At the opening OF the sitting
the galleries and lObbies were crowded with specta
tors and in the Streets In the vicinity OF the House
of Parliament, q great thrOng OF people was col
lected.
In House many petitions were presented against
the bill.
Earl GRANVILLE then moved that the bill pass to
its second reading. He declared that he had always
thought that the Irish Church was an anomaly, and
failed 10 fulfil the position for which it intended;
that was great Injustice, and should be legisaed
on in reasonable, wise and moderate way. He
traced the history Of the Suspensory bill OF last
year, and SAID the resignation OF the Disraell
Ministry showed their acceDtance OF the decision
Of the country In favor Of disestabishment and dis
endowment. After explaining the provisions OF the
bill under consideration, Lord Granville continued
The government did not desire to sever the con-
nection between the Irish and English Churches.
He would leave the explanation of the endowments
TO his colleagues. lie declared there nothing IN
the act of union to prevent the passage Of the bill
He did not undervaue that act but maintained that
it was not unalterabe, nor should 1t be allowed to
stand in the way OF a measure deemed necessary
TO the majority Of the people and constituencies in
acy. After referring to the threatened opposition.
and commenting on the bigOtry Of past times. he
appealed to the bench and TO the bishops to weigh
well their course. Nothing was more suicidal than
to point to the principle which the Irish Church
stands as that which the English Church
Is To stand for this step was not the
prelude to the dsestabshment Of the latter.
He Appealed to the opposition to consider the Dig
nifty OF the House, and after due protest to allow the
bill endorsed by the voice OF the country to pass.
The House Of Peers has great power for good, but
there Is one thing 1t does not posseSs-it has not
more power than the House Of Commons; 1t has not
power to thwar the national WILL 1t was said that
the method OF conducting the bill in the Commons
was offensive, and the House OF Lords had
been advised to be concatory in their
present declaration. He well knew the value Of
Citation but there was necessity for IT here's for
he would assure the Lords that though the liberal
party adhered strongly to the policy OF the bill, they
would gratefully welcome and carefully consider
any alteration Of detail proposed by their lordshps
More than this he could not say.
The Earl OF HaIrowby moved that the second
reading of the bill be postponed three months
He opposed the bill as revolutionary and In violation
Of the coronation oath and OF the act of union
The circumstances were insufficient to Justify It's
introduction. and its result would be to
was no act of justice. He repudiated the
idea that the rejection of the measure would be
ming counter to the national win. The sense Of
the country had not been tested on the point.
lie believed the country was now earnestly looking
to and expecting the House Of Lords to reject
the bill.
Lord Clarendon said he did not reciprocate the
feeling Of the Earl of Iarrowby as to the result OF
the bill. Similar forebodings were expressed In re-
gard to the reform and free trade measures. He be-
ieved the sentiment OF the country had been fully
tested on the topic. 1t had been discussed for
the past year and half and was thoroughly
exhausted, and understood that he was unable to
say anything new on it. As Protestant he sympa-
thzed with his Catholic reow countrymen In
Ireland the wrongful position in which they were
placed. He never felt IL stronger than when he saw
crowds kneeling outside hovel, with handsome
parish church close by unattended. He believed
that Ireland was the question of the hour. Her
dtion had bewildered government after govern
ment The universal assent Of the country, and the
impossibity that such state OF things should con-
tinue. imposed Mr. Gladstone the duty OF settling
the Irish Church grievance.
The Duke Of Rutland opposed the bill because 1t
overthrow the rights Of property, violated the re.
lgion of the majority OF the people Of the United
Kingdom and destroyed the union OF the Church and
State. He denied that the Irish Church was badge
OF conquest and declared his conviction that the
voluntary system would never answer.
Lord STRATFoRD DE REDCLIFFE objected TO many
Of the details OF the bill but warned the House not
to sacrifice the substance for the shadow. He be-
eved the passage OF the bill, as it now stood would
result In irreparable injury to the Church, and would
not improve the condition OF Ireland. The relative
positions Of the two houses Of Parliament, however,
demanded the second reading ofihe bill after which
the upper house could go to work and amend its OBJ
jectlonable features.
The Case Of the Brig Mary Lowell before
Parliament.
LONDON June IA. 1869.
In the House OF Commons tonight Mr.. Otway
Tnder Secretary for the Foreign Department. said
the facts in case OF the seizure OF the American
brig Mary Lowell were In dispute. The United
states asserts that the vessel was seized
In British waters, while the Spanish government
maintains that she was captured on the high seas
beyond British jurisdiction Mr.. Otway stated that
the evidence adduced by Spain was In the hands OF
the law officers OF the Crown, and 1t would be I'M
possible produce the papers before the House at
present
The London Times ON the Irish Church Bill.
LONDON June IA, 1859.
The Times this morning In leader on the pros
poets OF the Irish Church bill In the House of Lords
says:-"Tbe week opens with all the elements Of
dramatic situation. The action is great the motive
is great and the end Is certain. We are convinced
that the bill will pass to Its second reading Every
day 1t becomes clearer that England after agita
ton Of eighty years, will undo an injustice long
perpetrated. No orange demonstrations can AFFECT
the success OF the measure. This scandal OF the
Irish Church establishment Is at the root OF the
alienation Of Ireland; Its destruction is an act OF
peace and unity between jealous and disunited
races"
The Times reviews the opinions OF the leading
men Of the opposition and concludes:-"By such
arguments justice may be, Is often delayed, but not
when the nation Is awake TO q sense OF Its denial.
We feel assured that justice will not be delayed. by
yielding now the reputation and authority OF the
House Of Lords will be established 1rmer than
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