The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-10-18
ENGLAND.
The Ecumenical Council--The Munich Theo-
fogians and Archbishop NInnnin g-Comfort
for Bavaria.


The Ecumenical Council-The Munich Theo-
iogians and Archbishop HIanning-Comfort
for Bavaria.
LONDON, Oct 4, 1852
Two interesting additions have been made this
week to the literature born the discussion Of the
objects and eventual effects Of the approaching
Ecumencal Council, the one being q second reply
OF the theological Faculty of Munich to the five
questions propounded by the Bavarian government,
and the other appearing in the shape OF discourse
delivered yesterday In one OF the London Catholic
churches by the Archbishop Of Westminster on the
Popes Syllabus. The five questions addressed to
the learned doctors Of Munich were as follows:-
FIRST Questlon.--If the propositions contained In
the syllabus and the nlalibility OF the Pope
what changes wi be caused IN the doctrine OF the
relations or Church and State as 1t has hitherto
been treated theoretically and practically IN Ger
many2
Second.-In this presupposed case would the
public teachers of dogmatc theology and ecclesias-
doctrine OF divneiy ordained sovereignty of the
Pope over the monarchs and governments (De 1t as
bindlng on the conscience OF every Christian2
GHffd.-Woud the teachers OF dogmattc theology
and ecclesiastical law consider themselves at once
bound to adopt IN their lectures and writings the
doctrine that the personal and real lmmunitles OF
the clergy OF divine right and therefore belong
F0u,9h.-Are there any generally recognized
whereby 1t can be ascertaned with certainty
whether any Papai dictum Is &c catsed ana, there.
FORE according to the doctrine eventually be laid
down by the Council inlallibie and binding on the
mind OF every CHRISTIAN; and II there be such
P6h-uow lar would tho Intended new dogmas
and their necessary consequences produce an atera
ton in popular education in church and school, and
In the popular school books lcatechSmS, &c.) them
selvesf
The first decision of the theologtans the points
most interesting temporal rulers was certainly Of
. somewhat startling character, for 1t held that If
the infabiliiy of the Pope should be made q dog
matte article Of faith, and the Syllabus be soemnly
adopted by the Council, the relations Of Church and
State might be materially changed aud believers
might find themselves involved In sorely perplex-
ing conflict between the allegiance claimed by their
temporal sovereign and the obedience due to Chrsts
Vicar upon earth. II such were to be the effect OF
acts generally regarded foreordaned it is evident
that States could not afford TO be simply passive but
must actively inerpose their authority to prohibit
their subjects from taking part In the Council. The
present or supplementary response OF the learned
Munich professors partakes OF more po-
litic character. and seems designed as well
"a calculated to notch and blunt the dan
gerous edges sharpened upon the controversial
grIndstone OF DR.. Dolllnger and his associates.
IL is, n the expression may be allowed, sort OF
eyilabustc Pickwlcklanlsm; an attempt 10 prove by
all the subtleies OF dialectc that the infallibty
dogma and the formal confirmation OF the SyllaD Us
have no practical effect upon the relations OF Church
and state; would not alter the teaching Of theolo-
gans and would leave the doctrine that the personal
andrea immunlties OF the clergy are OF divine right
what has hitherto been free theological opinion.
the second oracle can be regarded as the tue one,
o world OF trouble and anxiety Will be saved
TO restless freethinkers and to uuaklng
states, for the thunder3 OF the dreaded Council VIII
be unaccompanied by lightning and all fear OF dan
ger viii De at an end. Bavaria VIII never be so
seriously disturbed by Pho Mono as she was some
years ago by Lola Montez and the troubles OF Father
rIvnn I'm Will hD nj on and
good Pope the qualification OF the infabnity dogma
TO be inserted IN the catechsm and received into
tue religious teaching OF the Church, provided 1t Is
unattended by any practical extension OF his tenn.
poral powers And who will object TO the Councils
solemn adoption OF the syllabus, with its eighty
errors ana their condemnation, when it Is under
stood that political society Ia TO continue onward In
the career OF progress and enlightenment, unchecked
by the nominal authority OF Romef There Is no
doubt that the second batch OF Bavar1an theoogans
have found an easy and reassuring solution OF dim
Guilty that seriously disturbed the smaller
Powers OF Europe, and even created certain
amount OF uneasness IN the minds Oh the more pre-
tentous states. From this detailed reply 70 the
I'VE questions they say at the close OF their re-
Spouse, "thcre follows the dogmatc general result
that an eventual sanconing on the part OF the next
Ecumenica Council OF the Syllabus In It's present
state and raising into dogma, on the part OF the
Council oil the Infailipity Of the Pope, as speaking
er cautedrd, would not alter Directly as sucn, .ne
would not carry with II the doctrine OF divinely
ordained sovereignty OF the Pope over the monarchs
and governments as one binding IN conscience upon
every UnrsIan; and as little would the further doc.
thine OF divine origin OF the personal ana real
lmmuntes Of the clergy. not merely In general, but
also In detail and purely such, produce any alter
alton Ia school teaching rs lar as the relations
between Church aud State are concerned,
Yet the learned doctors OF Munich cast an anchor
to windward, as we're, behalf OF the Church. by
the insertion OF clause which seems TO reserve to
the Church ct some future day the right II she
should ever have the power, TO excommunicate
monarohs, to toppe over thrones and to put nations
under the ban. Although these given acts OF the
Council, say they. directly such swoud not alter
and not displace the relations OF Church and State,
they might do SO possibly In their direct historical
consequences, for one thing Is dOgmatlc principles
and another their practical modes of execution
unoer some future historical circumstances,n Tits
certainly leaves open wide door for
culture historical circumstancesr and one
can readily imagine, from the history OF
mast ages. that II those circumstances
shouId be- favorable to the Church The practical
mode OF their execution might make the dogmatic
principles which are supposed TO be on the eve OF
PRONUNCIATION far less PickNickan than the theolo