, 1869-04-06
THE ERIE INVESTIGATION,
wna Amy Money Given for Hcpnblt-
cnn E5cctkoneering Purposes TIES
tim ony of Jny Gould, James Fisk,
Jr.. nnd HAMILTON Harris.

CnH Hk.9GC1k0Af<lAN&1 1'uTPVNCN IA Ek1
ttmony of Jay Gould, James Flsk,
JF., nnd Hamilton Harris.
The following extracts from tho testimony given
In the Er!e Investigation will be reaa NTH general
w Gould being sworn and examined by Nj:
Z, You nsve read the tesunop, OF III. Murphy
l. Yes, sir.
place between ron and vi. Aurphy7 A. just BE-
furc the election, as was coming up In tho Alter
nncn to see our hoston boats leave It Pier No 10
met Mr.. Murphy With Ar. Fisk and Nr. Be,den;
Af. Fisk spoke to nc INST, and told me-
tnst Murphy wanted me to make contrtht.-
@ sna sid ss tS.t e van wanted ' me- @ 1as to ~ ~
s1oo, 600; that with .tnat he could aecurc the
election Of Grtswold: be said be thought #
nsself, Sat TIA. he Tould gtse f = uiiis supper ~,
parry. and would give The money himself, and that
a1ter the election waa nyeE he wo"ld then tell
GrisW0ld who had given It: took the ground that
had never given any money to any ,conlnittceA
whatever had done for prominent individuals Of
10th parties: be was yeEJ ps!sssent a4d just q
should ctne down u the ONCE Ii the morning TO
See nc: IN the morning he came down according
to S IT, nsa ssn' ~ n n,s sae n n and
him.
Q. Did yon state to him that you had gwen
] had no conversation with him on the sub
tett; did not exchange 1ve words with him: Nj.
fek vac present nll the tine: he came n. aad l
matter over, and had concluded not to give any
| thErg.
q. Was Mr. Fenton's name used In the esaysr-
tatlonf Nc, 81.
Et.T ih+ chair1ndn-Had Jou eEer given *snooo to
Mr. Fenton or 70 Mr. Harris fot him, or anything
| Of the knd7 f. No, sir; hare been Informed.
Murphy testimony, md hare come voluntarily 70
| make this dental; Ar. Murphy speaks Also Of toma
letter.: the only note ever w.ose Nj: Murphy was
/ " +rfxN h1% FAAkA
! certain prominent gentleman In the State would
prpl.bly Le thu next candidate for Go,e7a3i, aflui
III xantr.l me to give htm letter stating that II
| he received the Nomination ! 1oold contribute
! fel.Ou0 toward bis election, which letter gave
hiul; that Is the onl" letter ever wrote him
| 2. When VIZ that4 A. That was last winter:
kuH os any SUN, for the use Of Governor feoton,
| directly or indirectly, II any umt7 A. Yes, str;
1hnt "a waat sAy; oad Always Understood rom
the tSst that Governor Fenton vas In 1aTor Of the
bil.
.,a,r<4 ft.k, -Jr., .eo,n-By the Chairman: lAr.
| q. Wrfe you present Il the Interviews spoken Of
| y NJ Gould between VI. Murphy and Mr. Gould:
| q. Did you hear what was said between them ].
4. Yes, sir; hea-d tho most otit: was close 10
Z. Please state the substance Of ths conscysa-
ton A. beforc the inteEs1ew, M Delden, whom
M a g. E sf e. TeS eaep I'D q mns
Der Of the Union League, came to me and wanted
tn know what position We werc taxing Regarding
had but iisle % d. with poittiea, m.isef,, and
knew nothing about Them: Fseldcn said that II the
club, the evening hesore taey a3a been saytng
! large sum Of noner 10 tne other SIDE. and that ,
Mr Murphy WAS coming TO sec Mr. Gould " pre-
on s e 3,,h, % soms.alaS for he hsp9ea
Eesden came q vim . sa,oota. .fseed senle-
t man, whom he Introduced to me ns Mr.. Murphy !;
dn Aurph. took me tn one corner resJ eonndenta..
POWER On his side, and that a1l he wanted now
In g sss se esa @aea II %
rs; he seemed to convey the idea TO nc that l.
~as m arrangement that WAS MI understood tnat
! We we're 10 par 5l00, On, IN return fer which We
were 10 receive great benefits from the Republican
rA,7y tn snytaing they might want 70 do: sa!d.
IL tns ! 0s e, g roe aa9ps
mtg 70 end: don1 mink W Ooald or sayhody
clse has erer though, Of dotag zaeh thing,
cmc In: then Introduced Nj Murphy
p M Gould. snd before he t;lkea Tith s
Gould @ % q. down, - and II Should thtnS he salseti
with MT. Murphy about 1rc minutes, a1zer which
Sns 70 so ~ .ns .s.s r. mi ae IL
ncrrtng, a.souf ten O'Clock. wr werr tn our truni
taia 70 an, -: r.s7si1F lie inasier of .hch saes
had ,,een s1ealiEc, that he coaid not do ANYTHING
tnorr about, and taEned Oh his hee! and walled
o, was Any1htne sid BY Mr. Gould Regarding
having G1~en any san before. \ No, III: Mr.
Mr Gould had given f1oa 200 to the opposite side
told him was confident It VIA entirely mis-
q DID Nj. Gould c,a,n, tn the conversation ths
he had CIV IN -, ,en for GoveInns Featon4 Or an
other RerrhllcAas 4. No; there was no mentor
mad: q Il, tnins et the sind
! Nemt1son H1rt4 rrun: Dy the Chairman, CAr
IlaleA g You are counsellor -a1tAE, and resid'
" = $; YoG ~ have e assed I d. Is counsel for vi. Gouls
: md 1cr me Rte RaIlvay: 4 Yes, Il, Tor over
{ ! &, q ~ have read The testimony Of Nj. Murphy
: g. Please s,ate your knowledge concerning th
! matter. 4 Ny Gould never gave me zas mone.
! paid TO Mr. Fentan any money or cheeks Whaseve
In any manner; Nj. Gould never save ot Ps!d q
ssssks ss5s ne: n teoss - pay s n 5oF
? ills probably true lnAs predicted that the oi
ts1sn n I "a sne asaF E
70, IS It Nas pahl,eiy announced ~ The tiorernc
he asxumsns me- Va cIoted hes1een iae eoanse! o.
7pseA to The bIl and myself that he iannld pEoes
: fly bare to sign The ILL: upon the GoEezaor Il
1t:ted his decision delAJea until tbc ne1t nornin
c Al 10 otlcck, Ia order ,has communication uhst
= be made TO PARTIES IN New 1oEf. 70 which Fesuct
= NEmoued bv enc o. she counsel Of NJ. FAndefht
q to Il rear before the GoFetnor, and there aoahs
request xss nndt to k,4tpone acton for aaoah<
/ said he would postpone 1t Rntii OF 0 sioek IA:
r ai1erucon, but no fu1heT, nnless sone better se:
:. q SOD g7a shown than had been Wy he should NJ
. sisn fhe hill: ibis was publicly Announce
u ht the Governor, md hare no doubt may has
| fertated It, but did not make the statement
!, crn1ection with any ehteks or ansthing Of II
ct7tn me two cheeks oi tlo,up for any Po1pose
= y one TINE 10 get czshed or otherxise; do n,
y mink be did, and no checks were handed me
connection vita this b!l fog Of fos ne use Of GO
= t1nor Fenten tn ans shape OF E.annes, = q! in
:, n BY NJ. .SlhtA- Z. Nor for anJ use OF tac par
!, a pzior 10 ne aening Of The htll: 4 No, EE
n q Was an! money psld to you a Any nlae % +
y q. Esve .cu any knowledge on the subject
.a seso:ns.sn = 70 .he u.s Ct pEo@sss e mon
= 4 No, SIR; no 1now1cdgt whateFeT.
n Q. undersand you to ssy 1oai whatever ehec1
d were handed you y NJ Gould weFe !oF tne pu
il Fcse Of Setln9 cashtd here. except those for &c
~ ~ ttceH7 4. Yes Er: think there were two or shr
d cheekt banded ne 70 pay for Home other eouns
ID IN tne eny: think vas ne MEDIUM 70 e1np y
f. no checks wcfr handed nc except to pay NY se
Il vices aad The services Ct other COUNSEL and foE
o. ssssanS Sc sasns y osaa5s 1'ng es.s
L cccctS On New YoEk, which were handed you
~ ". Goc.d 10 sci the money from A1pany ban&s1
n him: 4. Yes STR
D. The Pedestrian FiH1c.
!, F1u the E,,falo Esp.xss, 4p<Il
y The Waking match between Weston and P1
y proved r1ze. the tztter coming into Boato OF
~ ~ AeepfnstH It seemA that upon reaenl
u " Gsa1sEns sE cseeh yesteFday morning. ny A ~
fhf Fef7e R0n