The New York herald., 1869-04-28

late rebellion IN SPAN. 10 that again England
might answer that sne believed that nonarchicai
and strong government was the better .orm; and
while we believed liberal government was better,
she, wishing monarcDical government 10 De estaD-
lished. more assimated to ner institutions than 10
ours might We interfere In benalI or governments
established in cOnsonance with those institutions
which she believed to be best for IL Is certain tnat
the rebels looked 10 al ultimate monarchy. Besides,
all rebeliions have been attempts OF communities
TO compel the right to manage their domestic nsti-
tul0ns IN their own way ana that was all tne sO'th
calmed however much we might believe their lnsti-
tuition 0f slavery Was wrong and sin ana their
OoRKBsPoNDEST-Is it not the misfortune OF Mr..
Summers view to put this country upon the ques-
ton OF the propret, of the conduct OF England pre-
csely where we found ourselves In the incident OF
the seizure OF Mason and Sldell on board of the
TreptS
sally accepted law OF nations allowed us TO seize am
baSsauOrS or ministers officers OF hostile Power
wherever they might be found on the hgn seas. But
we had always GAINED special immuniies for nen-
trai vessels, which claim arose from our anomalous
position in the wars OI Napoleon, arising out Of the
Berlin and Milan DEGREES upon one side and the
.'Orders In council" on the other. Therefore. while
England would nave been obliged to admit that,
cording to the principles Of public law as practsed
by herself, we were rgnt IN The seizure OF Mason
and Slde. except upoh the technicallty that wilkes
did not SEND IN the Trent Tor adjudication Yet she
could reply that, according to claims OF the I'M
munltes Oi neutras we were wrong IN that seizure.
And Mr.. Seward. in giving up the rebel enlissarles.
was obliged TO cOncede that that cession was made
upon the principles OF law we claimed them tO be,
though III derOgatlOn OF the laws oil nations as prac
IiSeu Dy III Elduu lear liaL we may uIu ourselves
in like mann troubled with our own active sympa-
thy with rebellion all over the word II we adopt the
theory OF Mr.. Summers Complaints alone
C0RRESPONDENr-What CheOry, then, General,
would you nave our government adOpts
BUTLER-l should, with great humillty. venture TO
suggest that our case against England might D. put
upon different and perhaps more eiiicient ground,
ana certainly less einbarr isslng. Ca3 not bet
ter say that In violation Of eve principle of ine
national law she had ever claimed Us to now rebels
should be treated, and IN coniravent0n Of her we'll
established and acted upon theories as to slavery.
and III derogatOn Oh treaty which she had with us
suppress the African save trade she hastened TO
acknu uwleuge the confederacy, whose corner stone
was slavery and whose national lie only could be
perpetuated by the sustenance OF that institution,
and oy the reopening Of tne slave trade, wnich
openly GAINED by the confederacy as It's ultimate
object and des gn for the simple and sole purpose Of
destroying our government ana cnppling our
power and =, Of getting rld Of a danger
commercial and warlke Mariner If we put
wrongs upon tns ground, then the
haste winch she made to acknowledge bellgerency
III the rebels need only be considered evidence of
her intent. We need not, then, stop to discuss
whether she was technically rlgat or wrong IN her
blockade was a justification of thas acknowledg.
ment or not. Ii she Took advantage of technical
law to njare friendly Power and 70 do un r.en ily
Power ana destroying her commerce Ii Is lust as
much an injury that requires reparatOn as though
the same acls with the same intent had been done
without sucn tecnlica legal justification. All ques-
tions OF disputed law arising under the law OF ma
on oTs the hsrs Sworn srs might l wnaa na aeier sess
be well laid aside May we not well say that she had
left us legacy Of slavery winch, beng interviewer
in the industrial pursuits OF almost onehai Of our
country, became for time least OF necessity
part of our institutions, while III her empire 1t was
only an incident OF her colonial wealth She then
set us the example Of emancipation, as she could
easily do without danger to her government. She
taught us that slavery was wrong ana emancipation
and freedom only right After our government mad
fully accepted tnese views TO such an extent that
large portion of our people. becoming fearful for
what they Considered their constitutional rights
ana WHAT Jney nelu as tlclr most valuable
property wou1 be destroyed under our gov.
sniad erhmenx War reIeiiea save IT and INST,
moment, she leu the way to sustain them Ia that re-
bellion, and aided To set ny tnat slavery which she
What motive Could there be for so to do except
the suggested Of her determination destroy us
nj all hazardss Then The mt ing OF the Alabama
allowing her to escape and giving her shelter; al
lowing the Shenandoah to go out, become not Incl.
dents OF ner sympathy witn rebellion. but her own
act IN pursuance OF her designs to destroy our COM
merce and cripple our power. Then these acts are
not incidents Of a recognition oil the rebellion as
Mr.. sumner puts it, but are the very means which
her government chose TO perfect an ect which no
man in this country douots sne had In view. ana
which was freely avowed IN her Parliament to over.
throw the great rival maritime Power Of which sne
was jealous.
CoRREsPOSDENr--In this view NAV we not claim
that instead OF the pernissive escape OF the Ala
bama, fitted out by member OF her Parliament
beng mere matter OF negligence however gross
was In fact an act by her i'm the great and nearous
design which we can well impute to herr
BUTLER before tne tribunal oi nations / think IL
WOulu NOT DC 10 COuVlCL npr out or her
mouth, from the speeches In Parliament and acts of
her government Of TINS enterprise. Again, IN this
view her subscriptions to the confederate loan,
her avowed hostility to the Union and her moral
and material support Of the rebellion need not he
put upon tue ground OF sympathy alone.
scription to the loan 10 Kossuth for Hun
gary-but upon the truer and more lust
and higher ground that 1t was part OF her action,
and in pursuance OF ner own undertaking. for which
her sympathy with rebellion was pretext only.
When we syinpathlzed with Hungary 1t was not TO
break down Austria; when we sympathiZed with
Greece 1t was not to destroy Turkey; when we
sSmpathlze with uba 1t Is not To DESTROY SPAIN But
we may well insist, and | think we ought to insist
that the sympathy OF England was not sympathy
with slavery, but was every can see part Of n
well considered aud iuly executed scnene, far as
she might. TO take advantage OF the con ederaoy,
II was founded on slavery aud was
a rebellion, 10 destroy nation with which she was
claiming To be on friendly relations
CoRREsPONDEST-Aiter all, General, you come to
the same end rs sumner himself though by aiTer-
ent road.
BUTLER-Yes, sir, my view OF the matter leads to
the same result "a Mr.. Summers that the must be
atonement and reparatIon for these wrongs, aDi |
have only Thought Of this position as dsemDarrass-
ing our Just claims from the necessity OF reversing
our doctrine OF sympathy with rebellion and inslr-
recton. How to fou al our claims upon breach of
law need not be considered at all n
am righ In what believe to have been the great OBJ
ject OF England In her and OF the rebellion. In otner
ords 1t was not 10 aud rebellion as rebellion A. was
not 10 aid slavery rs slavery but 1t to take ad-
VANTAGE oi rebellion unded on slavery to crush
out the government OF the United States-a success
CoRREsrosDEsr-Wha reparation would you
have us demand'
BUTLER--Mr. sumner has not said what reparaton
he proposes, except tnat he wants pay TOR all dam
ages inflicted He has not shown how II ~ possible
for England, consistently with national honor, TO
make that reparation; and is not easy saw be-
England may say 10 us Ia either vlew-that OF
Mr.. sumner or mIne--"1 our claims, then, make US
nm ally OF the South. BE 10 So. You have conquered
our ally. the confedcracy, and can make such terms
~ you please with the conquered begerent. You
have not conquered us. and you cannot dictate
u Till do lOu a
OF the nrIn who IL la insolvency, against whom
you have obtained judgment. You may enforce that
claim "a you please; but we yet brought into
court and you have not obtained Judgment against
You cannot enforce your claim TILL YOU do" Tnere-
fore while Mr. sumner SAYS he speaks IN the interest
Of peace yet f anv result II 10 come from what he
says, In the direction In when he IL gong II must
come from war wbicn ~ the only mode OF enforcing
such right a. ~ GAINED against proud and pow.
eriul nation. And must not you come 20 that at
astf
CONSEQUENTLY you think we ought to 20 to