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the bill came up for third reading he should move
its postponenent for three months.
NEW YoRK, July IA Herald London special
states that the agitation in relation to the Irish
Church bill threatens to become serious. Prep
%arations are actively being made for imposing
demonstration against the action Of the Lords.
Gladstone, who has hitherto hesitatcd to en-
courage these meetings, has consented to give
them semi-oficial sanction on the ground that
the Lords attempte to qualify their opposition
to the will of the government of the people, and
on the ground of a pretended change of public
sentiment. Ii is certain, however, that the Com
mons will refuse to yield to the Lords in their
amendments, except on three points not affecting
the principles Of the bill. 1t is expected that
the open-air meetings will be the largest ever
known.
THE BILL PASSED BY THE LORDS.
LONDON, July l3.-The debate ON the Irish
Church bill was resumed in the House of Lords
last evening.
When it was moved that the bill be read a
third time three months hence, Lord Derby said
he had contented himself by giving n silent vote,
but his objections to the bill were not removed.
He was opposed to disestablishment. He would
vote for the amendments if pressed, but be
advised their withdrawal, so as to throw the
ments on the House of Commons. He hoped the
Lords would firmly resist all attempts of the
Commons to modify the amendments.
Further discussion ensued, after which Lord
Clanricarde's amendment was withdrawn and
the bill read a third time.
The question then recurred-Shal the bill pass?
The Earl of Hevon moved the amendment of
the omission clause, permitting the Bishops to be
retained in their seats.
Earl Gray, on the part Of the Government,
supported the amendment.
Lord Cairns opposed any amendment. He
Bishops to retain their seats than the bill itself,
which was altogether an anomaly of novelties.
After further discussion the Lords divided {:
For the amendment, $50 against, 30.
The announcement was greeted by cheering.
A proviso was adopted-l2l to 114-proyiding
and Presbyterian clergy and adopting the princi-
pies of concurrent endowment.
The bill was then passed.
Derby's protest was presented, and the Lords
adjourned after an exciting session.
EARL DERBY's PROTEST.
LONDON, July 16.-The protest against the
Irish Church bin by Earl Derby is signed by AZ
peers. 1t was entered against the bill on the
ground that it looked to the severance of Church
and State that the project is unrecognized by
any country in Europe that the adoption of the
bill would encourage the designs Of those who
want such severance extended throughout the
United Kingdom, together with the assumption
of grants of confscation of property. The protest
further states that the passage of the bill was n
violent stretch of power in a Parliament which
stakes its confidence in all property, especially
that resting on parliamentary title. The protest
sets forth the impossibility of putting a disestab-
lished and disendowed Church on a footing with
the organizations of the Catholics and that this
grievance would cause the Irish Protestants to be
alienated from the loyal supporters of the throne
and stimulate the demands of the Catholics.
LONDON, July 16.-The Times, In an editorial
on the action of the House of Commons ON the
Irish bill, says if the Lords persist in their
amendments a collision must come which will
result in popular agitation and n renewal of the
issue with a fercer determination to carry it
through. The Times trusts that Conservative
Peers Will be content with the presentation of
Earl Dcrby's protest, which psa&e allS@sr them,
and not continue their opposition to the bill.
Meetings of the people, in support of the Com
mons ON the Irish Church bill, continue to be
held in various parts of the kingdom.
THE BILL AGAIN BEFORE THE COMMONS.
LONDON, July 16-Midnight.-In the Com
mons, tonight, the consideration of the Irish
Church bill was continued. Gladstone approved
of the amendment granting n half million for
private made prior to 16G0, but
moved to disagree to the provision continuing the
Ulster grants
Disaeli thought the proposition of the Lords
reasonable.
Stafford Northcoto thought Gladstone's pro-
posal would convert the Established Church into
a voluntary Missionary Church. He asked, as
IN act OF Juctlcc uDu txIGuitucy, tudt the RicDeS
should be left.
Grounded Palmer supported the Lords amend
ment granting a half million of pounds for
private Agreed to-. The amend
ment continuing the Ulster grants was rejected
345 to 2iO. The announcement was cheered
from the Ministerial benches.
Disraeli intimated that 1t was not necessary
for the House TO divide ON any Of the other
amendments, except that postponing the disposal
Of the surplus funds.
Gladstone moved to disagree.
Disraeli supported the Lords amendment, and
thought that the Government plans were not
they ought to be left for future consid-
Mr.. Bright said the distribution of the surplus
a difficult matter. The Government had
made a minute inquiry as to q suitable distribu-
of the income arising from the surplus. He
bad no interest other than that of any member
Of the House contrary to the wishes of the Irish
people. Every one ACKNOWLEDGED that the money
arising from private grants should be applied in
the way devised. This plan was open to the
east objection. To leave the question open
would only pave the way to future embarrass-
nent. He appealed to the House not to put an
obstacle in the way Of the passage of the bill.
The country had confidence to the fullest extent
m the sincerity of the Governments desire to
make Ireland an integral part of the kingdom
md her connection with England closer.
The amendment of the Lords was rejected by
go against 2lS. Great cheering greeted the
LONDON. July 1.-THE debate on the Church
bill was continued till a late hour this morning.
Disraeli regretted the course Of the Government
IN the amendments, intimating that an agree
nent had been violated. Gladstone replied that
4 any harm had been done, it came from the
,tber side all the pledges had been more than
Gathorpe Hardy thought the House of
Lords had been unworthily treated by the House
If ommons Bright responded that n Com
nittee had been appointed to frame reasons for
he disagreement with the Lords.
The bill for the Government to purchase the
lines in the kingdom was read a second
lime. Adjourned.
LONDON, July 1.-THE debate on the amended
IRISH Church bill was continued in the House of
commons until u late hour this morning. After
he rejection Of the amendments proposed by the
Peers, Disraeli took the floor and spoke at some
ength; he regretted the reputation by the
4ords; the agreement of the Lords to send the