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THE Is1sH CHURCH BILL IN THE COMMONS
MR.. BRIGHT AND oTHEKs--ExC1T1NG SCENES
IN THE HOUSE 'NP"'
LONDON, July a5.-In the House of Gem
mons, this evening. the Irish Church bill, as
amended in the House Of Lords. came up for
consideration. There WE s full attendance Of
members. and the galleries were crowded with
spectators. s38A
Mr.. Gladstone. on rising, was greeted with
loud cheers by the Liberals, and with derisive
shouts from the Tory benches. He said, with
respect to the amendments which had been
made to the bill, that the Government pro-
posed to restore the preamble and the date of
disestabllshment as they appeared in the crig-
inaI bill; they would agree to the amendmel is
relating to curates' annuitles and to the pro-
lection Of annuitants. with some notifications;
but all other amendments they should oppose,
with the single exception Of the grant Of half
o million pounds in lieu Of private benefac-
Eons made before 1860. 'ast
MIR. Disrael followed. He said that although
the abstract principles of the bill had been re-
peatedly discussed, there had been little dis
hoped that the amendments made in the House
Of Lords woullreceive the calm consideration
OF the Commons. t&a; II
Mr.. Gladstone then moved that the ,Heuse
disagree to the preamble as amended. He
thought the concurrent endowment which the
Lords had iR view, o very, different scheme
from that Of Mr.. Pitt, which eontamplated an
established Catholic Church side bytside with
A1Ao 1A>.T1
troll Concurrent endowment, as, no. ;nuder
sstood, was totally opposed to the prin@ples of
the bill. and WAS at aach character as to;be
entirely opposed to THE spirit Of the times. II
the House cou.d be induced to sgreeto it, it
was Gel tain. that the ,eountry, especially the
large constituencies, would never sanction 1t.
He strongly advocated the appropriation or the
surplus funds as Originally proposed, with @
Eroyiso reserving to Parliament control over
them. - - = ~ & Il {
Mr.. Disraeli thought. the House ought to
agree 70 the amended preamble. BE asserted
that the House Of Lords did not desire, the re-
serVatio1 OF the surplus iar purposes Of con-
current endowment, and riGicu'ed the plan
for its appropriation. He hoped the House
wonld prevent such waste OF the public
funds, and not allow them to be dealt with in
tnlE lOO6e ana vague manner.
MIR. Ball. aember from Dubha University,
thought the restoration OF the original pream-
BILE would be fatal to the many advantages Sc
cured to the Church by the Lords
Mr.. Bright admitted that at former time he
had proposed something. like the present
scheme Of concurrent endowment; but he de-
clared that public feeling was now totally OPP
posed to religious endowments. and no minis
terwould be able to carry such a,scheme. He
sEssit that all the plans. save the one originally
by toe bill, we're 40 full of difficulties
S5hat it wouldib ibe idle to discuss them,
Sir Rounden Palmer said, although not
supporter Of concurrent endowmenty he con-
sidered that, under the circumstances, the
grants for residences to clergy Of the great ma
jonty could not be refused out OF that fund
which, contrary to his ideas they had declared
was wrongfuily taken from the great majority
and used for the religious purposes Of the
minority. Unless some proposal OF this kind
was agreed to, they would never establish re-
ligious equality or satisfy the expectations of
the Irish. They should not allow their anti
Catholic prejudices TO refuse thir small boon to
the great majority. 7:e'u. s.4.,u l.:< !.
Tho House then divided, and the amend.
ment of the House OF Lords with respect to
endOwments was disagreed to by q vote OF $40
against 222; the majority for the government,
124. -. * ~ q s&I
The amendment in regard to the appropria-
ton Of the surplus funds was also disagreed to
by vote Of 246 against 164.
Mr.. Gladstone then moved the restoratinn
Of the original date, namely, the LIST day OF
January, 1871, for the dissolution OF the legis-
lative union between tie Churches Of England
and Ireland. and after some discussion the date
was restored without division.
The House then adjourned.
LONDON, July 16.-In the House Of Com
mons, tonight, the consideration Of the Irish
Church bill was continued.
Mr.. Gladstone approved of the amendment
granting hnlf million of pounds for private
endowments made prior to 1860. but moved to
disagree to the provision continuing the Ulster
grants.
MIR. Disraeli thought q clear understanding
ought to be arriv d at. IT the policy ofthe
government, had for its object religious equali-
ty, it could not be obtained by humiliating the
Irish Church, and leaving it to compete with
the most ancient hierarchy ia .Christendon.
He thought the proposal of, the Lords was
reasonable.
Sir Stafford Northcote thought Mr.. Glad
stones proposals would convert the IRISH
Church into o voluntary missionary church,
contributions for the support Of which could
only be obtained by stirring up bad feelings
az ainst Catholic neighbors. IL would be to
the advan age ofthe Protestants to enjoy free
and proper endowments, and he asked as an
act OF justice and expediency that the globes
be left to them.
Sir Roundell Palmer supported the Lords
amendment.
The amendment granting half q million