New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1869-07-14
FOREIGN NEWS.
GREAT BRITAIN.
p,ss,eE OF THE IRISH CHURCH BILL.
FA'''' LONDON, Tuesday, July 10, 1862 a. ID,

ALI in a cDleCl IN SuppOlb VI 49, 1o4o
- th,t FIN, verdict of the country IN 49,
hnueu ''', sI,Ie N the bill but the uelails
t'-,, ,,nlnown to the people lie poh0,ou Il
were 'nIn I tested now the bill would Do re-
jccied. 80. borond opposing tho |
,ocond reading. he had conented hi,nS'll y ei'ins
a,lent vote. His objections to the Uih "0'g nv
n,o,ed He was opposed on plnciplo " u'S'S'"O-
,;L,,,rt and di5ondowment' Even WIN 'no
,,,o,i,,ent recently introduced the Ls'"OnSioN
church was left with miserable plt'auoe
lnt.Ir insufficient for her purposes lie Wouiu WV
the amendments if they were pressed but nc "u-
- toir yythlrawal so as to throw the responsi'
liIitv Of rejected reasonable amendments on tue
Uouse Of Commons He hoped the LORDS "ouiu
er,aIg resist all the attempts Of the Commons 10
modify the amendments.
Fnrtbcr discussion ensued, after which the Earl OF
clancarty's amendment was withdrawn Inc Earn
If Derby announced his intention TO submit pro-
test against he bill. ~
T,b, hin was then read the third time, and the |
auestiou recurrad Shall the bill passi
Tho Earl of Devon moved as an amendment inc
smission Of the clause permitting the bishops TO DC
retained in their seats and spoke IN favor OIL MS mo-
ton.
Earl De Grey, on the part Of the Government, sup
ported the amendment
Lord Cairns opposed any alteration OF the aIheuu-
nents He thought it no greater anomaly 10 anoW
the bishops to retain their seats than the Dill NSel
which is altogether an anomaly and full % novel
ties
The Earl of CarnarvOn supported the amendment.
He urged the point that if the bishops were aAo"eu
okeep their seats the substance would have gone
but the shadow be retained. He thought 1t better
that the measure should be final and complete
akaaa fDt
teaton Of seats to the bishops when the qualification
was gone.
After some further discussion the Lords divided
with the following result: For the amendment loG
against s. The announcement was greeted win
loud and loggconhnued cheering from the mlhlste-
rial benches.
Earl Stanhope moved the insertion Of proyiso Tor
furnished residences and globes for the Cathohc ana
Presbyterian clergy and introduced the pnnclPe OF
concurrent endowment.
Lord HoughtOn thought that the requirements
produced the impression that Ireland was 10 give !
religious equality The bill did not. He would sup |
port the proposal for concurrent endowment.
The Duke Of Somerset thought the bill ought to be
liberal TO Catholics and Protestants. What the bill
wanted throughout was little generosity The
House Of Commons, in their amendments protested
to give generosity but unfortunately their hberahty
was all one-sided. He supported the motion.
The Earl Of Kimberly opposed the motion, on the |
ground that it contrary to the pledges given by
the Liberal party at the general election
The Earl Of GTanard also opposed tho amendment.
The Catholic Hierarchy was not prepared to accept
State endowments. 1t was impossible for Catholics
TO vote for the motion except at the expense OF con
sistency and good faith. What the Irish Catholics
wanted was the disestablishment and disendowment |
of tie Established Church and social and political
equality, in place OF the system Of ascendency which
osracised Catholics and deprived the Irish Of all local
seEgoyeTnmeut.
The Earl OF DunIavcn said that the hopes Of the !
Catholics had been much disappointed by the |
character which the bin had now assumed. Instead |
ii being measure Of disestablishment and olsen
dowment it was q measure OF disostablishment and |
reendowment. lie urged the point that the Parlia-
ment would never remove the discomfort or obtain
.ae confidence Of the Irish people but by bona tide
ueasure guaranteeing perfect religious equality.
Earl Russell supported the motion. He favored
religious equality in Ireland but without the princi
pie of concurrent endowment; the present bill does
not give it.
Lord Westbury had not voted for the second read
ing Of the bin ont of Difference to public opinion
lie thought at the last elections the question not
sufficiently understood to enable the country TO die
tate to the Legislature. lie thought the present
Constitution Of the Church was great evil He
would favor any measure Of benefcent reform. He
regarded the present time an opportunity 10 send
forth message of peace and religious equality; and
he would regret if tins opportunity to restore peace
were lost through the bigotry of one party or the
high spirit Of the other which induced them 10 dis
claim concurrent endowment, and pronounce II sin
to do anything for a religious sect which comprises
nineteen-twentieths Of the Christian world. lie
thought unless they were equipoised and balanced
by equal benefit to the Catholics the Lords amend.
ments were unjust
Earl Granville opposed the notion The feelings
Of the constituencies against any proposal for
leyelng. The adoption Of the motion would only
cause embarrassment,
Lord Cairns opposed the motion, believing tho svs-
tenn Of indiscriminate endowment unsuited for the
position Of Ireland.
After further debate the Lords divided, with the |
following result; For the amendment 12l; against,
ll4' Inc pIlhclpie OF concurrent endowment was
thus agreed TO. The bill was then passed.
Lord Redesdale presented Earl Derby's protest
and then at late hour their Lordshps adjourned.
MR.. oTwAY or THE BRITISH POLICY Iy CHINA
In the House Of Commons tonight Mr. Otwav.
Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs in repIv IN the
remarks Of Mr. Sykes in respect TO the relations Of
England with China admitted that it was the inter-
ests Of England 20 strengthen the Central Govern !
ment OF that country, and not weaken it by gum |
boat policy and extrayagant demands. lie reminded |
the House that America and other countries had |
treaty rights in China as well as England. In reyis-
ing the treaty Of Iientsn must consider the prob
able action Of other countries as well as our own do
manas and rights, The internal trade of the |
country ,it was destroyed by British merchants |
sslng certificates to Chinese traders, to enable
.nei'i 20 oeiraud their own government The Chi
innent desires to yield TO the wishes of the
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