, 1869-09-30

Discussion Between Messrs, Hteb-
bins and Blanchard,
Arguments on Beth Sides Of the
Question.



for the purpose OF lhtentng TO discussion Of the
following questions:
-R~s2ssA Tint Fspe Trade tends to ps1slrxe labor.
sss ~ ss.; ss ,sa ees 6! A1s
eeus .rA vaIsstJ e OF !.eHr p lmpostau 70 eayM
ins antiay 70 nv Ii, thhs making cur eals!ty
TIE disF,utauta were Hess11 etehMn1 Of DE-
trnts. and blanchard, Of indianapolis, the former
taxing the Affirmative, and tho latter tho negative
Tne meeting. which was fair tn ro,at OF uum
eaa called 70 oraer s. Geo. s Bowen. "a mo
assebsed sad sheu iusfouosd ues H. Gss az ~
S.Eoains, who fpokr substantially as fo;low1,
occupying q hs1f hour, tAat 1eing the time 10
which tpeeehts we're limited:
Mr. sTEBENa
Having been IN the city iazt Jnsy, and hearing
NE Bxrcuaru s lecture, the tdta oi tatns discus
secer.ea- At1 nh}ec1 was .hefrhy 10 reach II
1n4nt people as possible, AMI ensLIr thcn to hear
Il th rides OF Whist szs to be the great question Of
tanee, al Ill tines auu under nll circumstances
lie did not intend to 80 intu nll1uttE, bat to
rsuyc TINT Protection w2s necessary, And that its
ss.t zee VAS disastrous to a1l-farnr14, worktu9-
men. Manufacturers aal capitalists. When free
ita,lr causr II did, It's heatleat bioxs would fall
On The HcFAinsIucu, Tor he believed It would IneF1-
Eurp5s. ~ IVA A''sD ~ ~'s - e '''A' ''D0eA u
IIr wanted 10 et7e tie sheo,. in brief Of a dis
oi thr French Inc t.sdc Golden 1reaty, lie read
thrfAllcf : statement OF the lhe1fy OF govern
!nrns, 70 The effect thsi = Eorcfnncut 1honld act
70 encourage al branches OF industry at VARIOUS
erochA AID therefore thai writer hal pfnMe.i
EIra. Mcn Y he had II different times worked to
IL resS sss as55 ~ I'M ?;
III tho supremacy Of sny country III auy bt1ucn OF
In.nu1acaure, where be also SAID that protective
aatJ mieat eonetr:es b. the best tucsni Of derel-
cetnG mAnuf&cturH.
Tne. question "a 10 now long srcn protection
kAoaid cGnt1nne+ WAS simply one Of eIpe.1IeucJ.
Selope the resources OF the country AMI AID its
!a1aE Al teE continuing the protection, We
Monla % q EuG.ana ata. and ssnp vnen W were
her indusis1es no long - they needed II She va.
net to-day fres u1tle country. Tho duties ley1cd
en esE ID Tefs n5ss gS
huIdrsd yesrs, and .1oppeI rhen she coold
saIu va sasxed for me sixteensa t,ne tbey found
:hcy could nndesell tha world, aud dropped tho
taftd to nominal nRufs
People tnp*t act IN view Of thesr own condition
How NaA II hese: OUT toEei2n debt Has immense,
including bunia, railroad dcbte, 1c-, 70 The
s1neunt OF fifteen hundred million dollars, on
nv Interest. The balance Of trade was zlNaJs
aSRnfi uN When specie poured from one coun-
~ 10 1npae a a9a t see dsss q the aEss
Atf1 1r*n1ne specie payment, encs 1t WAS drained
atFoad 10 pay for tnportA Tho prep0udcruupc Of
Sos. then, when wa needed 10 change ths:,
aud tnco1uga our oRo reiou1cea nuA
ta.a ta53, ~ she BALANCE ot Eade ~ our
down The few tsau protective barriers len aud ut-
ter1y Iu.n rs. Fee trade Was trzt cousin to repu.
dlstfon- 1AaAc Guiks, Of the Aochestsr Union, had
which sonc uoe who bkd Eesd It Ksl reminded OF
The pamphlets fa1oItnC the aa1AAalnAtlou Of Wu-
IT, H. Or ossss m = he, Msse anle snd des11sa
L<Hgtx he found four articles copied from the
Union. What did th1i rDcan7 Dutta VAS also
prominent member OF in's Free Trade League In
Then there were reTepne tar1H schemea- 1t was
uczr dodEI II the country had resenue enough
u- produced =, home Rctiacc taxes on tes and
coffee and ELL, pot keep Them whtrc Justice de-
handed 3s them. 10 encourage tome ma1utactureA
LIZ saw Chicago Teaching out to China to get
m furnish Il cheaper 70 Tie Sosta xesI
E., 70 10 reTenue ,srE EuaianI sas fooiisdl1 IIH
tr.irR II and losing by It Protection was our
tarty-not rtolo1t,on. bat such measure Of mo
Eotk nDt PAL up the Wa4es OF xorkncn. lie
sihAe i0f east aud Nest- Cnder the kt1uaatus nt
aIs ,nSs 1T s5s.t EiPttas bad been given
fta hundred wootn nills In operation. Tie Lake
~sTettof Elues had been opened and Iron was
i;''sastsaes sts7cteu down. He Hnnted the farmer
~ understand u WIS better their market should
s1e Bc1f door to Them than Aeross the Vatet. Such
trAte roun'1ea. TheI needed the spur Of pro
,trttGn Varied industry WIS the impulse Of all
's!!.. mobility an1 genuine success
Free trade Claimed to come in rhlauthrppc
f'.steL II hal1 projection wn1 low uarEu minded
sh,l vulgar. He read from "C0tton u King" a
book nade mp Of speeches and articles BY Haul
moro 1oonhs, etc. According 10 the book. the
SOUTH wa opposed to protection In order u 70.
snre = haEetgn market for cn.tou and chesp pro.
v'rione for AsFcs. II thcJ could eSup1tsh free
trade IL WD0Jt fNtFEfR hA1.tn fuAnrfactUrAR
The Soxth Into agriculture, :::ake food chear and
ctafae them to produce cotton cheaper, anh thus
Thrtr vas fire trade philanthropy for iheu,
The result Hss that the corn and wheat OF The
Snr1h rrEc rent Stuth and the South vaz eu,
II. shtopy con,stg from Tho british Fret
finders Association, who wanted oul
1,Iis I.Fte1s r,,. q throvn ,,n, =. opea % them.
ufE OF The wurid's market, - Lord Gcdc11ch opce
shi WaA uhas rh.!anth.oph5.
nu-t aIsak naaily; and he brirycd taa irre trzdt
s'heMe had At root Influences enausttng feon
tae uf1tiah sioe Of the water. who hAu their owl
,u.rSee market fuE her products IN order TO hoit
her own- She was bui1ened, and had nothing Il
fl hrck on :bni 1hts county ras rtch in ali ihinsT
n:u.l Start under tse beuenceof impulse Of prosec
Lon.
... NJ. nLlxculRp.
i1.'se..o5 Dlanensn then spoke for his halt hour
that the country required irec tradl
N or'er to ds*s!op proeras!sely u resoqroes
.l..rtre that at lectures md llscussfons on til
Aatnt.l Should lead ~ Il thorough study Of thesl
Ga-rtlons 1t homo lie recommended them 4
F,4l FER, ) Economy, AL the tracts OF the Re
f.r-u League, Aud thu .10ph!AnA OF Protection bJ
j:a..,at, rrrdas,I I VIII a 1r@a!a 6g o1s q ths
~n no9n =, ThSp: 10 Their credit
M IL .a fa's' teep 'sxn s1 aud tncv no,
plausible nany Of their arguments vc1e.. lie VA
rlkA 10 speak, hut be knew the need Of a Qufc
study fD alr1ya at frn understanding OF the sub
lct, lie bad hoped Mr. Stenoln4 would hnr,
gone At once 70 the question Of the evening. q!
nnufA leave II TO tue audience TO sAy II he had
Itr bud noted several 1hlngs that he wanted I.
e,rzA Ut, but be ahousd 90 10 the resolution, Rtlc
Nj. s,ebbsnA sa.d the tree trade Increment va
Eo rhiAutntoplc. Why aid such men ~ If tillan
lj".1 GsrT'toa lecture foE 4. o. Henry War
s;rrTit saiia ad1oca,e free trader VIM q
rirakcf It was = huusutta17an question i
s,ar. There y ere aoness and phil.nsoropic me-
~. t;ut set.a to*ly nom regard 70 what the
Nj sleitlns al,o s.ld the impulsc to fsce ,sa1
csc from the EuglIah manufacturer. 1t y.
Mlilao = Gladstone nd John ~. ntighI *ho sel
net speak a. tnan1'Ac'urerA lie read from i +
ctas letter o. Nj. nr1ghs's, urEtng America
aiop; free trade, The charter Of freedom to 1or
~. S,Ebsins had said specte Was pouring on
oud hence we were Indebted to otbtr countt7e
Et+Artt went ont because VIC WctE pfCreuut
American nauulsciarErs from securing tie ma
lcts Ct The world. We sent specia because q
senaine s manuisctn1es Vim free itae e. We % woa
etppgt 10 1ntta, anG other PLACES. cloth, machine
ZIG. md keep ne .psc'e . home, u dessaose.
claute Of which was saht frtt traie tended
psralyze t2bor. He would bring forward sou
iAc,, TO show thst u did not AZ to the rcdacti'
hA m hAfR f7af Ia.
admit that under NEE 1ade W19es wonld 1pr
really sink. bat the purcnAstug power Of mon
Wha; would ir%c trade give us- What dsl t
cornr1y require Chezper iron, coal, lunbt
~oolen And salt: End II free uahe gave them
ecne u rs tseis. - lie did 20; ssy rfee na.ie you'd q
cEehp iron. bot cheaper tfDu fns, when Hn1e y
noea e e r. Tse sae and ta iaeg asu
e., nsn ceald + made ID 2sT,isad aad feaas!
taa ~ ",n.M 1ot could bs so,ae at ri III. su.nos o.
rctort u Ml.soaH i could he nads for 81;
ton: sr1egni, commission, dc., amounted 10 81
IN gold. and Inc duty - IN GOLD, which, IN caE7t
u. .as 80 = son p1s aowu % ou nc seSsoa7a T.
co.F. lroa had fanEed from Sss to tt3 here NJ
il cot. on an arersse- TO 10 maaufAciurt. =
a.e,sse M T a,nouns received being 81. Tt
ear thar The AGcrtcsu Manufacturer y
On An cQuAlty Win LEG En8lish mar
1acturey. even without s1u9y, atnce
cuu.d rnt tron 10 New Yorx - cheap,y. ss
Eneis> tr1rn. NC HaH Fasen!nenta.f. F1.sa dct,so a
lie warIct 10 project American people asail
tnr Interference q the eosernnsen', tne incom'
,r .,; eS' 81 e,m.s @ snd In e1trs q assn M % j, Il
rrntrciipn, hc was Al ardent free trailer. lie y
ris1 thrr were ttszt,nK 10 make Iron herr II
Gas mnie 1t ST. Louis for S2o q ton Mt. vi
s,I1 iron ut tho highest Price he c3ald, and
tst1r w4G a demand Tor rAltroad iron. the pr
1as htcp-A0 What Was the pfon:. Sis.
~ ad,,:tjon 10 the SIS protective duty he was p
ftr,rd aEnioat Eas:cfa uaaautAstoros. 4