The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-10-16
WALES.
Agitation for Radical Reform-Tho State
Church Condemned.

Cuurcn COudemue0.
In Wales the liberal members for the county and
borough Of Denbigh, Mr.. Osborne Morgan and Mr..
Watkin Williams, addressed an enthusiastic meeting
Of their supporters and constituents at the Town
Hall the 30th OF September, the chair being occu
pied by Mr.. Thomas Gee. Mr.. Osborne Morgan,
after giving an account OF his stewardship. spoke
upon The subjects or education, the land tenure OF
Ireland and the ballot, all OF which measures he be-
leved would be brought In ana carried In the next
Mr.. watkiu Williams spoke mainly on the question
OF the Welsh Church, contrasting II with that of the
to na Church as an act OF justice, and he earnestly
believed that the present government IN Its honesty
would mete out the same measure OF Justice
To Wales. The Church was now the Church
OF the aristocracy; hdd sfgdtlv ated, and Justice
demanded tnat 1t should cease to exist. Wales was
not powerful enough, nor had she the means, TO
insist upon her rig lts but as she only wanted JUS
tice, aud justice alone, she wou have an oppor
40 unto her rs had been done to Ireland. Mr.. vii
ams then replied to the objections which has been
made to his bringing forward the motion. He told
them Tonight aud told them honestly he had no
desire to have the glory or leading this matter.
lie was perfectly content for them to select the man
10 bring 1t forward, and would give up his place
altogether Perhaps he could better support tue
motion than bring It forward, as shat was more IN
ward, II was his Judgment ana certainty L was
their Judgment that tie time was come to bring IL
forward. (Applause) Some had thought it would
have been better to walt TIL some other great
questions were got out OF the way. lie
begged to differ from those who enter
be carried-very likely not-but he had no
more notion that 1t would be carried before
the ballo the education and the Irish land schemes
tnan he had OF going To the moon. t.augnter.) Bus
II they stayed unt all OF those questions were got
plause start the paii frst ana when those matters
mad been cleared out OF the way there was some
chance that they might step in WITH tins measure
(Applause) Mr.. Williams then alluded To the letter
OF correspondent in one OF the papers stating that
the matter would be soon taken out OF his hands,
and IN reply he said he should be delighted TO think
compel others more able to take out OF his hands.
No great measures had ever been carried without
such force from the country, which compelled the
government to feel the necessity OF passing 1t. Now
he should ike them TO remember what he was gong
to do. He was not gong TO bring In O bill. The
subject must be discussed for years; It must DO
turned upside down, to see what solid stun
they could before bill could be brought In. What
he proposed doing was to bring the subject before
Parliament and the public; but the particular
form OF his motion was not important so long az
the measure was only brought forward for Discus
sion. He next spoke or the right OF Parliament to
deal with State aids and endowments maintaining
that all such aids and endowmens and all property
whatsoever that was inalienably attached to any
corporation was public state property and par
lament had right to dispose Of IL. no then pro-
ceeded to argue that the Welsh Church stood In an
entirely diiierent position to the English Church
from what the lrsh Church did There was not IN
this country that animosity and antagonism towards
the Church on the part OF Nonconformists as there
was between the Professionals and Roman Catholics
OF Ireland. lie had no desire to destroy or TO amt
hilate the Church In any way. The churches VI
Christ IN Wales formed venerable lnstltutiOn,
which hal existed hundreds OF years before II did
In England. The ancient Brltons had embraced
Christianity In the year 1885, But since then things
had altered. The Church was not now the Church OF
the people, as every man VINO walked could see
Go to any village Ia the Principally, ana what did
they fndi In every village they would come across
chapels and how was that Because the church
was the church OF the arist0cracy. IL was not any
antagonsm OF Papists or Protestants, as In Ireland.
that was the cause or IT, but 1T was evident some
grievances OF a deeper type lay At the bottom OF IL.
AppallseJ The Church nad nal every conceivable
chance Church could have 10 succeed but 1t had
failed. But why mad u iaiiedf lie answered the
question In this way-by its alliance with the State.
Applause) lie was firmly convinced That. and that
alone, was the cause or IT, Having further enlarged
on the question Of thes &C, Mi. Williams said that
with the surplus which would be derived from the
Welsh Church. which amounted 10 something like
G100 600 per annun, he should make grant TO tho
new university Mt Aberystwit and throw A. open TO
every person In the Principally, Independent OF
their religious professions. lie then quoted stats
tics, pointing out the vast Dreponderance OF Non
coDformiat3 over Cburchmen IN the Principally,
and concluded by arguing thaS everything was
favorable 20 the disesIabIshmcnt and the disendow
ment OF the Church.
he resumed his seat amid loud and continued
applauSa