, 1869-08-03
Gladstone and lEFtEht In tho Com.
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London papers OF July II report Mr. 0iadstooe's
speech on Tho return nf tho church bin from, tho
Lords- ta sall that bis proposition for the alspo-
~ 81 n surplus 1owmsnt !,a IN saanty W. :.
The o5 ths m mainly
to the liseniowed Church Of else to the ministers
md members OF that Church, and on condition OF
the performance Of certain docs available for all
the purposes OF that Church, stated to the House
on the Introduction Of the bill that we estimated
the total value Of the eccest2sttcal property OF Ire
and glehe. houses. But OF this t1b.o00. 900 sum
approaching F4,o0o, roo was created entirely hy
liberal use Of the public credit which was 70 be
Of the Church, and the effect was to realize for
the tithc communication between E2,0tn,Vo0 aud
Is, OK. too morn than could hare been got for ie
IN The open market, and further to realize IN aa-
dItioDal tafge SUM for Church lands By the 1r-
rangemeuts which tho nse Of tho pubic credit
nearly et, ,uo0, ,ooo ous Of The $4,000, co WAS The
product III the Of the public credl and did not
In any sen1c belong to the market value OF the
t!on tU this oU0 there are the churches and
slebe-iands. The churches arr hardly tnc subject
of snYes,en ,a Hn snaans oi se =
representing Falne. It would BE- impossible 70
attach 10 them value OF less ih1n fs,o10,03d,
cSen inter allowing for the very Largo payments TO
be made for the giehc HOUSES. That Weuh make
the whole property Of the irish church. without
anT addition for the use Of the public credit. 70
stand at G!a 0,N, and that ~atIae SUN 81 which
venturrd to estimate Il IN the discussions Of last
wear. Nov, h0w Vas the disposal OF that sum
Ret.led when the bill left this ho9:e' oat Of tnat
SUN there WAS given, OF, you nke II LETT, 70 the
Chprch-e4c!ndinH churc1ea and gebe hontes, an
est1mated value OF E10Go, ,001-un1er the VARIOUS
ha. of M ea g 1sue and IL pFse sa
really, uo e0 eco out Of the Elb o00, 900 remained
either with the Church lsef Or with the ministers
vice 10 be performed IN connection wt1h tue
Church. How does tho bill stand oo returning to
u nsz We bare r made ths - mot % easefnl = q ssi1*t.on
mcnls of the House Of IoFls, and Will now give
the llztA Tho amendment relauve 70 the taL on
,f9 % ,1s
vnIc endoWmentR, E9l3ooQ: the IlAteE Rlebe-I
an uow speaking throughout Of present valoea
ntutes, $500; the II Iears Communication, .E1.-
81 Oe: and the Church y share Of tae concnzreut
entowmeo. IL r, 100 ooo; Y The whole, fs sos ooa
or, In round numbers, "a, ,600,MD to be added 70
the fl0,NN,UuOo Of witch the Church IN one ahape
other had tbe benefit BY tho bill - 1t LEFT this
oass Sc Sc - L. a. f ne = e6 70 1s tae
disendowed stale 1t retains fnurteen-ltteenths Of
the property which 1t had when Is was endowed"
ss4'e'' '''9 1srto srsEca or xa. ss.su7.
Nj. Bright made an explanation as to the terms
OF proposition be bad nade seventeen sears ago.
the lIsh Church there should be gtYrn to the me-
hels tf that Church El.O00N0 IS sus,enatton
Roman Catholics, being about Fl. .0oo 10 each pa
rtkh, to provide glebe- houses together with ZONE
ten scres Of lanl: md laat another EI,NH,oUl
should be Etrcn 10 the Pres.ytet1aua OF Ireland,
the MAJ nooth grant aud the Eto!uu DoHum betnx
both put an end to- Also proposed that nlt tnese
bodies should be considered wholly disconnected /
~ establishments from the Stale. and stand IN
tue same position As the Wesleyan body
in England and the FIRE. Church In Scot.
land. That Kopld hare been measure Of great
political }rstlce and equality lneaTI; but VT Know
that in thiA country there has grown up s;acs that
tine an Increasing hostility 10 religious eodow-
nentA tHeas, hear-l At THIS moment Ne hear
= nyerY in1f the prntQstArta nf 1fQfauI
would ra,6es 60 out naked hS the bill stda tnan
hard over a15 portion Of the FUNDS OF the Irish
Church to Ine Roman Catholics II wc1c In Ia
yor Of rcltgious endowment, should be aahsned
Of such sentiment [Cheera1 fou 1nd Ia Scot
taud that apart fron any hostility 10 the Roman
Catnof!c religion, dny proposition were nads
for eudoHtuE the Wesey3ns or other religious
body, there would be universal elJ Of Condemua-
ton in reference 10 L.