The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-11-03

I told you that u was 70 your interest 20
Arm mo thoroughly; not less THAI $4,000,
though would try with s25 900; 30 say l now ~
A. meant bJ that that they should make work q
temptation for me, and induce me to let out my
Efforts.
9. Not that you might have $4,000 TO cxcend IN
procuring the passage OF the Oiii2 A. No, SIR
2. Not with the view Of enabling you TO PROMISE TO
pay money IN the event OF the passage OF the by A..
so SUI nave never promised any man. IN power or
oat o. power, or paid man cent Ia ny lie Iof
any such purpose.
9 Rave you a reply to this letter. A. DO not
recolect OF any; win see; but certain II Is that
given.
q. You say you "want authority" and without
deiay, 70 pledge The payment OF from $4,000 to
$4,000 IN cash tho moment the bill MAKING wool and
dyes duty free has oeon signed by the Presidenr.n
Explain waat you meaa by 'Toa want authority to
pledge payuent' that does not seem 10 be con
nected with any condition or failure or snccesss A.
rms was scheme. orisnsted by me- by which these
people would forever be benefited, per annum,
81 0J0ooo II tne bfli succeeded; and In that event.
what would II be FOR them TO paw me $50 O0O which
would make me competent for life.
q. II this money was to be wholly applied IN the
way you mention, then explain this passage OF your
letter:I really believe pass ine bill without
tns additional expenditure; but u Is IN my opinion,
the part OF ordinary prudence to make the outlay
and thus multiply tho chances OF the Success OF
measure 80 Important" A. IL was mere ruse to
get hin to pay II II succeeded. feel III this way
that measure should depend upon us merit aud II
man originates an idea which Is just, aud benefits
ior for A''''' AA'S - '"'s'' 'A's S's''' = D''
q. You say you 'want authority, and without de-
lay, 10 pledge the payment OF from Al5,n0o to
$4,000 IN casa the moment tae bill has been signed
by the Presidents or course mean III addition TO
the 20 pse tSa sssesa on mao s
the original agreement as to what should Ds my pay;
never received dollar until the thing was over.
z. 1ousay that you want authority TO pledge III
that does not mean that You should have authority
to put It IN your own pocket but promise tosome-
and, as whole, in this way 1t was written n or
der TO induce him to give me the money IN the
event OF the passage OF the bhl. Intending TO keep
O. And to induce him to give it you made MN un-
dorstand that you would have to expeud it III pro-
curing the passage OF the buzz A. do not know
what the understanding was. 1t was my scheme
they were using, and It was my intention that !
O. How much have you received in the aggregate
from Lawrence stone Co, or any other person or
PERSONS for your SERVICES III getting the bill passedG
A. For railroad purposes not cent; FOR the tar not
dollar or dime, save that winch you IN the lot
ter submitted from Mr.. stone; have received no
presents or anything or the KIND.
e what became OF the ''previous arrangement
succeeded was to receive it, but athoasa ~ tray.
elled IRON washington TO Boston and back 80 olten
no Sea my naa e and nave
a. The letter SAYS, Mysrallroad men say that q
union With wool and dyes will hurt so 1t wl but
we are, think, strong enough to carry IL on our
backs. No, say they; yes, say l." Was tho pledge
OF the $4,000 in any way connected with that union
movement was subsequent one; believe so; am
not sure; would have to read the Congressional
Globe to become acquainted with Its origin for 1t Is
q. What is meant by this cat that time the rail-
rSaa men SAID 70 me f ms s private ba.
carry our measure, and you expend $4,000
large majority for it has been securedsH
What Il meant by the authority to spend "s4o.o0o
pended money; | receive but never pay never
received dollar from them in the world; they gave
me authority TO; recollect telling an anecdoe at
the time, which wi, perhaps, Illustrate il now as
well as Ia any other way: tho substance OF It, leaving
out the Joke, was this that members were often alb
sent, and men and carriages mad TO be employed TO
go after them and bring them up, and various ex
penses were incurred in that way, there WAS stipu
lation that IL should be $4,000: well, cannot say
what was IN their minds whether they meant one
thing or another, for they said nothing, out never
dollar IN sending hack alter member. or IN driv-
ing one away, and never resorted to the common
getting another to do Tor me: never even spent
"levyn in that way.
men said TO you that they would aive you $4,000 IL
you would carry their measure and you might
expead $4,000 more; -, and what n Is sno result
yet we are now to begin for wool ana dycs9" A. We
sir, there was no doubt tnat there was majority OF
that House for tho abolition OF duties on railroad
O. You convey the idea TO Mr.. Lawrence that
you had been authorized to expend $4,000 that
purpose, and add, what Is the resutt already q
majority for it has been secured" do you not moan
by that that $50 900 had been used to secure that
majority OF members In favor OF that particular
measurc2 A. Oh, no.
Q. what then, did you means A. T. had but ono
the event OF success he should pay me tho money;
that is my answer to each separate clause OF the
letter and the whole letter.
Q. Was not your use Of language TO convey that
idea little unfortunate2 A. Yes sir.
q. Did II not implcate members OF Con9resss A.
do not know whether 1t implicated members or
Congress or not; know that | never spent money
In that way.
Q. What did you mean by tho expression "Aready
large majority has been securedr A. Tho imDli-
cation of that il that the labor performed here IN IN
forming members on the question ana shaping their
minds had been effective.
q. You say you never expended any money! a.
Yes sir; never expended Il dollar myself
q. You have never received any money except the
$1,000 sent you by Stone2 A. have not; and re-
ceived that at the end OF session during which |
l receive dollar Tor having the duties removed
from railroad iron; that letter was written TO make
Lawrence pay reasonable sum scheme OF
mine which was TO benefit them $l,0oo,00O.
There those now who allcge that Corbn was
paid by both Sides OF the tariR questlon-that he
succeeded in making tho antitarif men believe that
he was at work for them, ana In convincing the tariff
men that he solely In their interest All this time
he clerk to the Committee on Claims Of the House
and was as much prohibited under the rulo from
being personally interested In legislation before
Congress as the members themselves. Mr.. Benjamin
Stanton OF Ohio. who was ut that time member OF
the House, and had been appointed chairman OF the
selecs Committee that conducted the investigation
after submitting his report to tho House, publicly
MARRIAGES AND DEATHS.
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