The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1869-10-22
ENGLAND,
lord STANLEY Industrial Co-operation-The
AElstoeracy Stretching tue Hand 60 Demo-


ATistosracy Stretching the Hand 90 Demo-
cracy.
Two matters or very great importance TO the
working classes OF Liverpool, formed the subject
matter for speeches by the Right Hon. Lord Stanley
Nj. r., eldest son OF the Earl or Derby, in Liver
pool. October I. A number OF English worEingmen
have formed themselves into limited company,
called the Industrial Building and Cooperative
Company, and have finished the erection OF pile or
buildings for the new iron works or Messrs. Clay
lnman Co.. near Birkenhead. These works were
visited and examined BY Lord Stanley, and their
completion celebrated by public dinner in Liver
pool At which his iordship was present, Mr.. 0Dowd,
Joiner, ana chairman OF the Industrial Building Com
pany presiding.
During his after dinner speech Lord Stanley said
VIII avoid all controyerted matter so far as | can
but t IS my duty to speak plainly and frankly, and
NOT only tnat but 10 do so Is 10 pay you the best
pliment IN my power Well, In the first place | say
tbat the question whether trade societies are desra
DE Or not Is question which in Day is idle to
put They exist; they are fact; they never were
more strongly supported than now and they are not
likely, IN our time, TO disappear. No one can
sonaoly dispute the right OF men working together
IN one trade 10 combine IN Joint action for matters
connected with THAI trade II is legal 1t Is right
as Englshmen 1t IS morally their right, since
10 IL only by union that they can meet
their employers on terms OF equallty-and
That 1t "a ther interest the whole / 40 not see
that any one can doubt who has considered the
matter practcaiy AT any rate, TINS latter point the
parties interested have settled for themselves They
10 III they have right 10 do 1t; and II expe-
rlence and Tor the future TO show how far and to
what limits they have Is wisely. do not think
that the mere lact ndisputable as il Is, that the
power or combination mas sometimes been used
hconsderatey and Wantonly ana to the great dan
ger OF those VINO nave so used IL any valid argument
sgainst its being used at all. Experience must be
bought, and often bought dearly. Considering how
short time mas passed in the history OF the naon
ssnce combination OF the employed against EN-
va nFnh NV fha 49,
SEQ nothing To wonder at-nothing to justify alarm
Tor tue iuture-In the mere fact that IN the
exercise OF this new power mistakes have OCCASION
ally been made, that unreasonable demands have
sometimes been put forward anI that wasletul and
unnecessary quarrels nave arisen or these things
say they Will bring their own remedy, sooner or
later, though, no douot, 1t may be at the cost OF
much individual Inconvenience and suffering. Let
me explain what mean. II an exorbltant rate or
wages puts up th9 price or any article one OF two
things will happen. Either the demand FOR that
article VIII diminish or IL Will go foreign coun RES
think am speaking TO an audience too well &C
quainted with the ideas and feelings OF our time 10
indulge In the Idle cream that the protection which
whlch twenty years ago As removed from agr-
culture VIII oe reimp0sed ior the benent OF any other
Class But lei u DO supposed even That through tne
operation OF similar causes 10 those which are az work
here, foreign competition does not come into play
there Is still 3 hunt nSed by economical iaas-iaws
which man did not make aud cannot ater-as 10 the
rate of wages which can be Obtained In any trade
very small part or human outlay a. absolutely COM
pul5ory. Raise prices and you lessen demand IL
coats are made 10 cost twice as much as they cost
Peep VIII be content patch their Old
ana make them last longer lLaughterJ II the expense
OF building house Is doubled, fewer new houses
WI be DuL GU Cannot force people TO buy what
Shey don't want, or wat even though they may
want they think too dear at the price, and that a
diminished demand Tor any arslce implies
~ a consequence, lower wages for the
producers OF that article, requires no argu-
ment 70 prove. Wen, all these are very elemen.
sary truths, and 1 have no doubt but that
most OF those wn0m address see them, at least
"a clearly as 40 But that there Is an appearance
Of immediate advantage the one side and that
.ne inquiry on the otner IS remote, 1t may not be
altogether useless TO warn even men as intelligent
~ those am now speaking 10 that there Is such a
thing as killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
CHEERS and laugnter.l One word more l visa TO
add. know nothing more unjust, nothing more
absurd than that indiscrmlnate outcrY against all
associations OF WORKING men for trade purposes
winch has been produced by tue fOles and must
use o bar5her w0rd-the crimes which have been
unhappily committed In one or Two places and in
one or TWO trades. believe that acts OF the KIND
aliude 10 are utterly repugnant to the feelings OF
working men as class. tAppause.l II there are
two things which more than any other Englishmen
In all ranks OF life thoroughly understand and
cordially sympathize with those two Things are
fair play ana Individual freedom. tCheers.) And In
country like thus, where public opinion governs, |
will venture to say no Institution has chance Of
holding It's own when is even remotely
suspected oil encouraging and sanct0nlng tolerat-
ing interference with the free action 81 those VINO
don't beiong TO It, Hear near.) me doctrine that
che end sanctions the means; the theory that men
are 10 be uniawfuliy coereed. to their own advan-
tage even, mas never come 10 good yet and never
will. The Ta0jt 10 combine IS uadtspued and
eQtlllg so Is the riDn 0f other men, u taeg thlkF,
70 stand cioQf from combination. Cheers, All
attempts to do by pressure what ought TO be done
only bY fair argument 10, in my opinion, not only
= wrong but fatal and suicidal policy. Hear
hear1 know II Is sometimes SAID ave are get
ting or trying 10 ge advantage for the whole trade
and It Is not fair tsat those VINO had no part
or tue cost or trouble should reap the benent.n
Well 80 that my answer is-''lf what you are
dong ~ for your own interest and Tor that Of your
fellow worKmeB be patient, aud in tine those VINO
now stand alO0f VIII JOIN y0u.n Quite
enough has been heard lately OF reckless extfaya-
gance IN the upper classes, and Of wild speculation
IN the middle classes, and II venture TO hInt That
che same tendency Is not confined to them ] am
Qply pointing out That the English pecuartles and
Engsh character are mater OF race much more
than OF class, (Hear, hearl But man does not
live by bread alone. Pay day = not everything and
It IL natural and not unreasonable wish Tor every
man 70 possess that ne sn2uld have some interest
In and some control over the Work on which ne Is
employed. loud Cneers.) Meanwhile ! say
that l wish most emplaucally 20 guard myself
against being supposed 10 encourage the foolish fancy
that there Is nythlng IN the receipt OF pay from
employers which Implies degrading dependence
Wages are equally wages whether PAID weekly or
quar- ery. tCheCrsl II can hardy be said taat the
Judge the beach, or the general IN the ned the
Cs met Minister IN his once Is degraded 81 be nH
pao for what he does, But u is human nalnrG J
tnlnk that man should Ike 70 fee! that he Is 10 be
Q gamer by any extra industry That ne may put
forth tnat ne should ike 70 have some sense OF
proprletorshp IN the shop, or mill, Or Whatever 1t
may be in win Oh he passes ns days. tCheers.) And
A. Is because the system Introduced or late years or
co operative industry meets that natural Wish that
fulness iAppiausel i believe " Is the BEST
the surest remedy for that antagonism
OF labor and capital which we hear 50
much talked OF, and which 10 certain
extent no doubt exists; for IL IL not ia any way
necessary TO successful cooperation that the capital
ist should be turned out OF the concern. CLEAR,
hear) The very best instances Of It's working, in
my belief, are those where the men employed hold a
certain number OF shares IN the undertaking, the
resi- being held By the owner. tIIear, hear but
questions Oh THIS kind-questions Of detail-wi set
te themselves better with the help q tlme than we
can 20 We them. The one that seems to me desirable
~ tnas no matter by what particular agency or
mechanism, the mon who aiye their labor 10 the
concern sha 70 some extent share In the prolt that
~ nhhes. lOheers.) No doubt that participation IL
nos 70 slem an unlntXed gain-there arc losses as
wen ~ yarns PAD times as Wen good times but the
@ ssS' tna. these Velssqdes occur Will make the
men VINO snare In them Understand and feel better
,nan tney ever dd before the responsibilities aud
ue uhU ,.., VI tne employer-bear, hearl-and
~ as y quite possible, many having felt liz dif1cu-
YES prefer tne certainty and security OF xed wages
taey Will at least have had their choice between the
two systems, and Will only have Themselves Ia hame
y luey are not satlsned. lliear, hear.l Now am