New-York tribune., 1868-05-13

indeed il does But the prize has TO be paid for.
IL costs Gl50 to be made Queens counsel IL costs
fl 500 ($7 800 IN gold to be made Judge The fees
for tho patent aone-fOr the commission, as the
American phrase itare ESQ and 1t Is curious that
nobody knows why they are paid. nor to whom. A
newlyappointed Judge gets note from the Deputy
Chattwax, with an iegible signature, informing MN
that on receipt of $3.50 his patent wlll be forwarded
to him. 1t Is simply the peTpetuatlon OF one OF
those abuses which thrive in England for centuries
till some inquisitve Teformer pres INTO them ana
destroys them with flash OF daylight Inc Judge
pgeon-holes it, and Chafwax lives on the spoil till
another Judge comes to be fieeeed; Mr. Justice Maue
is said to be the only man on the bench who refused
to pay this demand He was warned that his. patent
would not be sent without the money, TO which he
replied that no thought he could sustain life without
a patent Ineyer heard that his right to try cause
was questioned on this account, that he was the
worse Judge for want Of the parchment. Gw.s
THE CLOSE OF THE IRISH CHURCH DEBATE
SPEECHES BY GLADSTONE AND DIsRAELI-
THE VOTE ON THE IRISH RESOLUTION.
The closing debate on MIR. Gladstones first
resolution, which resolution asserted that the IRISH
place the evening OF the 30th Of April After remarks
by Mr. WapOle and Lord Elcho, ,
On benches. He sad-I waited, Sir, until the last mo-
ment In expectation that the Right Hon gentleman at
House, and in the belief that acting conformably
to usage She who proposed the resolution now
before the Committee in desiring TO offer any remarks
might find necessary to make after the rest OF the de
Ig eeS Sss g 10 rmSrs that during this debate which
has ranged over wide field and has reached the
eleventh night figure which mention with no grudg
ing of the time that been bestowed so important
question It still remains tho truth that In general the
debate has turned upon accessory and secondary mat
ters and not upon the merits of the Irish Church itself
Hear hearJ one can hardly wonder at this. for
rSs 9e dS9 T9 barepet who Commenced the debate this
evening laid great stress on the statement that the h
Church at present exists. That is an admission TO
which he attached great importance It Is one that we
are to make ana tnk h S 5fI oaP @
When we are asked 10 show cause for the removal
OF the h Church surely ne SSpsh aDg s1 Il = haas
demonstrated that II never can nt any OK the purposes
for which a religious establishment is constituted
Cheers 1t is not the church Of the nation. but the
church Of between Oneeghh and onetenth OF the people
TREND the member for CanbTdge University has told
us that nneenths OF the land OF Ireland Is In the hands
gated by the high ground Of truth because along
with tho magnificent endowment we allow to continue
care TO feed ineessanty, from the public funds OF this
country that college whence forth the pastors OF the
Irish people TO teach them that that truth Is error
fCheefs IL Is not church maintained for the support
and propagation OF the Protestant faith because u rs
clearly demonstrated by figures which man can doubt
that for that end IL has entirely failed Hear heal Ihe
right honorable genes len e h0s nS tSat hs knew of n
figures except those OF the last 80 years but whether he
right hon gentleman chooses to know Of them or not
an undOubted fact that there accounts which have
always been considered to have come from truStTotty
and have told the right gentleman that about 1io
years ago careful census made under tho authority OF
he Government day of the religious persuasons OF
the people of that country and that concurng with Sir
William Pettys and every other investigation, the whole
Catholics to PrOesants much lower than that which
is found 10 be the case after three centuries Oh tue ehurcn
establishment In Ireland Then for what purpose does "
exists Not for Of those religious purposes 70 which
is cOnseerated the establishment OF religious institutions
IL has existed unfortunately for other purposes IL has
existed, in spite OF the merits when re DeiOne 70 s
governors ana minister's Ior the prp Ot % s
in Ireland the remembrance OF Iehglous @niSlos s
tes-Oh, oh, and eheersland OF maintaining In form
RSPaP9 RSPpas neS1ay and Sscendancy iGheers we
tEts great wonder under the circumstances that
indeed within the last thirty years and that the defense
of the establishment should have been conducted mainly
Church itself [Hear, hearl Now, we have before the
Parliament and the country not one policy but Two ~ Is
present state of things uncomfortable aud that they eau
look in the face the responsibility OF confronting tue
Irish people the that the present eccles
astcal arrangements are to remain unchanged Ihe
prOcfastnatiOn, least far active measures are
concerned. But that policy contend nadnisslble;
positive Indication OF tho views OF tho Legislature-
laughter and counter cheersl-t is the present The
right honorable gentleman r. DlsraeD tell us In terms
too clear 10 be mistaken that we are TO create ana DOT 70
point lord Mayo in terms more distinct tells us that
the Government have no objection to the principle OF re-
hgous equality provided that IL Is brought about not by
taking away from the existing church Out
| by giving to those who have yet no public eDdOw-
ments, and by increasing the unworthy and inadequate
endowment which is afforded to the Presby yerans
Thus they propose the policy OF joint endowment know
| the term paying the Roman Catholic clergy Is as
avOwed by ths right honorable gentleman, who cOntem
plates more than that He conemplatcs giving greater
stipendaries of the lie entirely In tho
language OF the noble earl aud on behalf OF himself ana
by taking away from those who have but by giving TO
those who have not Well such is the policy OF the Gov
ernment But how II presented 10 usi IL pre-
sented 10 the very outset OF this discussion by tho
noble lord the Foreign Secretary State pre-
sened to us on Tuesday night by the noble lord the First
Commissioner OF Works by the one noble ord-(Iord
staBleyl-whom have not seen present during the later
phases Of the debate Ministerial cries Of "oh OH" and
counter cheers)-by that noble lord the question was
treated In indicate perfect readiness TO deal
with the Irish Church ia any manner Whln might DO
ners) we were assured that Her Maestys government
only occupied that bench in order TO be OF use 10 the
Church establishment Of Ireland and that the moment
they found that they could not those interests they
would withdraw IL Is impossible to conceive more
tone and substance OF the two speeches. lCheers.
know very well the responsibility have undertaken In
lightly do shrink from meeting its demands what
ever 1t may be. lCheers l win not endanger what |
think TO be great public interests will step beyond
the limits OF the province belonging to independent mem
bers, by undertaking that which would BIO most ar
and authority but attempt to undertake which without
cal cheerngl, would be, indeed act OF the greatest
mprudence The first object OF tho policy we profess
Ireland butespecially, doubt to those who the
great majority, and on whom the burden OF all that has
been oppressive in the government Of Ireland has prne
/ pally weighed-I mean the Roman Catholics. But
although our policy has for It's aim giving justice to that
| country, it has commended itself, must also say
TO the Protestant opinion Of this country. Cheers
II 1t earlier IN the evening should DO desirous to
have referred to the accusation that mas Deen MADE
against us Of coalition or conspiracy among certain par
ties The accusation proceeded from the right honorable
gentleman under circumstances of character which
made think Il more boattlng 70 pass over at the mo-
serious complexion in consequence OF his having
adopted theIn In written correspondence. by desire
and temptation 10 enter upon that and to show
that not only the statement OF the right honorable gentle
man was not the trutloh, Ohlbut that II was exactly
the reverse OF truhoheersand that the very persons
whom he indicated favorers OF our policy and plans
were at that mis- favorers, and busy in doing
everything that could be done 10 dscred our proposals
and strengthen his hands with the materials OF that
proof am, think, abundantly prepared, bnt pass
over the subject In consequence Of tho hour laugh
and cries OF Go on."l Only this Will l say, that
wh1e admit conspiracy we claim, at least
claim TO be in spontaneous concurrence with that party