The New York herald., 1868-04-12


pressed II take charge OF the Office"
Q. Are you certain that thai was the expresslon'
4. am positive: was Sss,d asked If could give % the
whether it is important or not. have it here.
Q. What Is the dates A. Brevet Major General,
@. Upon whose recommendation was thatG A.
Mr.. Stanton gave 1t to me.
q. Did you ask him for it, did he volunteer its
A. He had more than once intended to give it to me;
but on this OCCASION when returned from my duty,
the time had arrived when ought to have the COM
point want to state. When was before the Com.
mittee OF the House Managers, General Butler asked
the Clerk, think Il was for the testimony Of DR..
don't know whether he said or said 1t makes no
difference He asked Of me number Of questions
In reference to that assented to them all. never
Q. You never heard DR.. Burleigh's testimony reads
ANo sir nor 40 recolect the questions except tnat
would recolect the conversation better than l.
Cross-examined by Mr.. BUTLER:-
answer yesterday that the President told you at that
time to take possession Of the oices A. Well Ihave
not read over my testimony; but do not know how
Q. was that untrue each timer A. II said so it
was; take "charge" was the word used.
@. Have you any memorandum by which you can
correct that expression II 80, produce it. A. Ihave
no memorandum with me here; i don't know that
@ Have you looked at one since you were on the
standS A. 1 have not
Q. How can you state better to-day than you did
Yesterday A. Because saw and read that order as
8. You gave it yesterday yourselfs A. ibid; >.
And you know better t What it wa was by reading
Q, And you are sure the words were "charge Off"
o. And the % three times when you reported to him
that Stanton would not go out-refused to go out
each time he said "charge Of the offcer' A. He did
was % st s time he sad
charge Of the ofce and stake possession Of tt" A.
Ny attention was not called to t. .,,.,,..,,
A. Because know that was the expression.
Q. You have always known that was the expires
O. How, then, did You come to make that mistakes ?
Q, .Put into my mouth" just as Mr.. Karsener did ?
Are you IN in the habit when anybody puts words
into your mouth Of taking themY A. don't know
that am always in the habit of 1t.
o. After you ana Karsener were summoned here
as witnesses did you go and quarrel with hmY A:
had some words with him in the room here adjoin-
Q. Did you call him q liar and perjurerr A.
promptly did. Haughter.)
Q. Liar and perjurerf A. think did both I
did certainly cali him a liar.
Q. And perjurers A. think it is probable I
@. You knew that you and he were both in the wit
ness room waiting to be called ? A. did.
Q. And you knew he was here for that purpose ?
A. l suppose did.
@. And while he was there you undertook to talk
to him about his testimonys A. stated to him in
two instances will give them to you.
the question whether you undertook to talk to him
about the testimony A. don't know who intro
duced the conversation.
Q. Certainly not. Did you speak first, or he A.
That don't recOllect.
q. Did you tell him that he was liar and pepurer
have said he was perjurer.
@. Did you offer violence tohim9 A. did not, ex-
cept In that way. Laughter)
0. Were you then in full uniforma A. As I am
now; in major generals uniform.
Q. Another question want to ask you which was
tfn1 SvIfnV tolro o1no
session Of the office Of Secretary Of War; A. Firm
as ss 5 h5s % S that any aS snaR %a
toni out II 1t sinks the shipr Did you say SO to Mr.
Johnsonf A. 1 did not.
Q. Anything to that effect? A. Not that have
any recollection of.
q. Do you know whether you did or nots A. What
Mr.. BUTLER-D. b. JOhnsonP A. There was a Mr..
Johnson came to see me at my house In reference to
another matter; we may have had some converse
Q. When was that that Mr.. Johnson came to your
housef A. That hardly recolect.
lecs now He came to me about the @ bSsaesS IS or
Q. Never mind what the business was; what was
saids A. want to call it to mind. have right
Q. But not to state 1t. A. (aftcr a panse, can
hardly state but recently ,Sy not very long @ ago.
d. Before that-within q week. A. think 1t is
8, Let me giys you you! date-as Friday week. A.
Q. was 1t longer than that A. did not charge
my memory with its twas family conversation
q; Were you joking thens A. Certainly. laugh
o. Did you jokingIy or otherwise use these words,
1--WE will have Stanton out If we have to sink the
shipr' A. have no recollection Of using any such
expression.
Q. Did you make use OF any expression equivalent
to itf A. have no recollection Of it.
@. Have you such recollection Of what you did say
to know what did not saw A. have not.
would rather Mr. Johnson would testify himself as to
the conversation.
Q. Do you deny that you said sos A. Well, won't
deny 1t, because don't know that did. Laughter.)
Q. You say you would rather he would testify. We
say SO was 1t true or merely bragg A. You may call
Q. what do you call its A. do not call it brag.
whatever was said.
Q. Did you mean what was saids A. did not
mean to use any violence against Mr.. Stanton to get
Q. what did you mean by the expression that you
would have him out II you had to sink the shpS A.
sion.
Mr.. BuTLER-We win show that by Mr.. John
son; but am assuming that you did use it. and ask
you what meaning did you havef
Mr.. EVANSTON have no right to assume that
Mr. Johnson win testify 10 that. He has not said SO
Witness-f cannot say what the conversation was;
Mr.. Johnson then on oficial business connected
with the dismissal Of an officer from the army.
MT. BUTLER-Then you were joking on the subjects
A. Certainly.
Q. Did you ever see Mr. Johnson befores A. ! 90
not recollect- Possibly may have seen him before.
@. Have you ever seen hims A. Possibly not Not
to my knowledge.
Q. Here was a stranger who called upon you on
official business, and did you go to joking with him
In that way' A. Not total stranger; knew him
as the lawyer employed by Colonel Beiger to have
him reinstated.
Q. who was stranger to your A. I think he
was.
q. And did you go to joking with stranger on
such subjects A. Certainly; We had quite familiar
talk.
@. And that is the only explanation you can give
OF that conversations A. II Is sufficient, think.
@. Sufficient or not Is 1t the only answer you can
giveS A. IL is the only one do give.
q. And Is II the only one you can givep A. Yes.
q. Did anybody talk to you about your testimony
since you left the stand yesterdays A. suppose
have talked with dozen persons.
q. Such whOmS A. Several persons met me
and said they were very glad to hear my testimony;
was met to-day by several who spoke TO me jocu-
larry about my taking equal rank with the Secre.