The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-09-25

similar to that had seen Loeb roll the
money. in; l also noticed It as being the
q wnal else made It similar to your mindS A.
from MS taking 1t from The same pocket saw him
put the roll OF money in.
z. What else took place between them tlienf A.
Ihey LnFn went or together
@ low far were you from these parties when you
saw the roll OF paper pass between them. A. think
tain; they then went Off together and stood at the
corner or Fourteenth street; they went from me up
BY Mr.; Fullerton-o What were you doing in
some business of my own there at the s' tme 's 70
Q. How long had you known Mr.. Rollins personally
BY sight2 A. saw Mr.. Rollins previous to that
time, about month previous, think, at his Office.
Q. How long had you known Loeb by sights A. 7
saw him several times; have known him since last
Q. Do you know anything else with regard to this
matter than what you have now stated. A. Not that
Cross-examined by Mr.. sedgwIck-Q Were you
near enough to the parties to identify the roll which
you say you saw pass between themr A. was near
enough 10 see that a roll passed between them.
Q. Were you near enough to Identity the roll so as
to say that it was the same you saw with Loeb in
tne notelY A. TO the best OF my knowledge should
G Were you near enough to be able to see the roll
and TO identity 1t at that time the same roll you
saw with Loeb at the hotels A. That is somewhat
hard for me say that 1t the identical money he
rolled up; he might have changed his coat or his
pocket.
O. don't ask about the money Can you say 1t
was the same roll which you saws A. / had no
Q. Are you able to swear whether not you could
identity lt2 A. could II j saw II.
q. Gould you swear that at the time you saw the
roll pass between them you then identified it as the
same roll? A. l had no doubt iabout its being the
same.
O. Can you positively swear it wass A. No.
O. What was your business IN Washington on that
occasonY A | was there in the interest OF Il friend
OF mine living in Brooklyn; it was mutual INTEREST,"
was myself interested; my friends interest would
also be mine.
O. What was that business A. That business, il
q
place under him.
O. Was that an inspectorshps A. don't know
whether 1t was an nspectOrshIp he intended to give
me; was an inspectorshp or something OF thv kind
q In whose interest were you pin .paly in Wash
1ngt0nf A. In the interest OF friend OF mine, A. L.
ship IN that district
that timer A. did.
q. When had you ceased to be inspectora A.
Some time In February previous; | was inspector
Q. DID you ever see Colonel Wood and Senator
Plerson together In WashingtonY A. can't say
q. We're you dismissed from the departments A.
received notice that my services were no longer
required
q. who signed that notice' A. r. Harand.
Q. Did you believe or suppose he was Instrumental
In having your services dispensed withY A. sup
Q. Did you ever say TO Mr.. Wood or Senator Pier
son that yo . would get square with Harlandf A.
Never to either OF them to my knowledge.
O. Did you ever say to anyone else that you would
get square with Harands A. may have said that
Q. What friend were you looking for in the hotel
at the time you speak OF, when you saw Loeb count
the money! A. Senator PiersOn.
z. How long was 1t after you saw Loeb count the
some tme-probably about ten or fifteen minutes: it
might have been more.
the rolls pass between them A. one hundred
o. THAT is 300 feet? A. know.
Q. And you swear that at this distance you saw |
this roll was made up In printed paper' A. Yes, |
Q. You swear you could see the print at that dis
lancer A. Yes; 1 have very good eyesght.
Q. And at this distance you saw Loeb pass the roll
O. You kept at their back9 A. Yes from the time
they met until they went out Of my sight.
happenedY A. i am surprising that distance
@. Did Loeb take the roll from his side pOckets A.
lie put it in his breast pocket and he put up his
hand to his breast and then saw the roll pass be-
O. What hand did Mr.. Rollins take the roll ns A.
outside in short SAX 's'' '''N''
o. And while he was putting 1t in his pocket was
the only chance you had Of seeing 1t or identifying
Q. How far apart were they at the timer A. About
o. Where is Coenties slip9 A. Coenties slip Is on
the East river; the vessel referred to which
potan Revenue Board met at No. So Cedar street;
Pike and Harland were both standing when Pike
handed him the check; when looked through the
glass they were both standing: did not look through
the glass the moment Pike came In; the check was
passing from one to the other when read IT. they
were three or four feet from the glass; Harlan was
SIX or eight inches nearer than Pike Pike hand I'd
Harland the check with his left hand. and
IIarland put it in his pocket; there was one
pane OF glass thar ! think had been put in after
the Others the rest had two coats OF paint this had
apparently been rubbed once with the brush: the
stamp on the lett hand upper corner, | think;
an pretty sure u W., was not In me middle Of the
about the 9th Of January: the whissey from pier No
went into Pixies between December 20 and January
Ia fxrn.. fkraa aftnrf hail
Pike Iarlaud together; first spoke of the inter.
view between Pike and Harland ! think, to Daniel
middle of March: | had told II to others
before that: 1 told Mr.. Buckley Thursday
OF the last week in August AT his rooms IN the Aston
House; he sent for me By two messengers: Mr. Fitch
called Tor me and asked me II knew man named
Murray who used TO be connected with Twenty
fourth street distillery;I told him did, he asked Inc
II Murray did not have facts connecting Pike Hag
gerty Ottiwell, O'Donohue Smith, Harland and Rol-
lns with "a conspiracy; he also asked me II did not
see check handed by Pike to Harland; asked him
who told HIM and he said mo matter;n he then
not know where he came from what he wanted:
he then asked me to go and see solicitor Buckley;
he said The President had sent the solicitor here
| 10 sin these things; ] objected to going but he
told me 1t was my duty as citizen; went to see
| Buckley and conversed with him. told him was
unwilling to have anything to do with II; said Muir
| ray would give what evidence he had, but he must
| be protec,ed he said Murras would be protected
| from arrest-rhe honor Of the government might
| bc pledged by its humbiest law officers; / told
| him that Murray had been distiller and that he
| feared trouble n he talked; Buckley said Murray
should be protected and taken OF: he aske me
N would assist him messenger i'm that case; 1
told either Mr.. Buckley Mr. Fitch that might get
| into trouble: Buckley said that my Just rights
| would be attended to- said that the whiskey ring
| was powerful and that might be lured into some
thing-some trap-liole or other; on the same day
went with Fitch TO see Murray; before Murray talked
MURRAY and Fitch drank considerably: Murray IN
yiied us TO his house, Murray and Fitch were
siderably drunk when Murray said these Things;
know Murray was drunk; used 10 be quite intimate
| with Murray: he Is not drinking man, he never
i,a NV | IN w hat 1
wanted and that he wouldn't be arrested or troubled;
m re alton 10 the matters testified To on the direct
examination know of nothing more.
| The cas-, was then adjourned TIL eleven o'clock
: this morning.
SUPERIOR C0uRT-SPtCM TERM.
/ The Riahi to Compel a. Plaintiff Q" submit
tu "a Personal Examination.