The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-11-19

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should be limited TO persons who are living when the
| deeds are made lcheersl-and when We come to
thing not to sacrice the public Interests to family
pride or to the notion that you must build up great
families 20 have great power. that they may exercise
Now, there is another question which has been dis
cussed good deal OF late, and which at least twice
{ Of some consequence and that is the question
81 n eso expenditure tSr Of the nssF
heavy chains SO long or heavy burden, that they
mere natural imposition upon them: lCheers and
taxation Of seventy million fo pounds sterna wish
could show You what seventy millions or what one
that out Of these seventy 1 mons
twenty-six millions go to pay the interest on the
this country between the time Of William III. and
the Russian war, generally for no purpose whatever
wr reS ts whole q Yo19 na
| waged the wars, spilled the blood and spent
the treasure 1t comes on us, their children and on
our children and their children to pay the interest
for that enormous debt bul we are not content with
that burden. We have learned so little by the past,
than an equal sum, rather more than a2e, 600 600,
under fear that there may be another war; that we
| may be induced again to NEEDLE in some great Eu-
| ropean contest we are maintaining an army and
navy at q cost far greater than at any previous pc
quote the words Of Lord Stanley, the Foreign Minis
ter-a sufficient guarantee that we have altogether
abandoned the present theory OF the value of power
| and that we do not intend henceforth to use the
sword In any question in which the honor and inter-
est OF England are not distinctly involved. The
the navy over Ell, 900 900. Just for moment let
| me tell you how many there are OF every kind OF
and cheers, ii am not mistaken Tor The army
there voted 140 600 men; for the navy 60 600;
making 200, 600 regular and permanent troops, which
| the government that preceded this present gov
| ernment were most Negligent OF the deIences OF
the country. OF the militia there are 1875 coo men,
OF the volunteers 1852 600. In Ireland there Is police
force equal in training ana armament 10 any troops,
| OF, believe rather more than 1000 men. Then
there Is as you know, considerable force OF police
In all great towns and in nearly al the counties;
take 1t altogether it Is very formidable sum- OF the
Withdrawal OF persons from industry TO purposes OF
supposed defence, and you need not wonder II the
sum which we pay y as large as that which have
| described. But besides the question OF war; look
this Irish question. In Ireland there have been at
| times, and not long ago, $4,000 men. don't know
| not there they somewhere else, and dare
say somewhere where they are not in the least
besides. the 1000 armed police that / have
| mentioned, who are paid FOR out OF the taxes OF
the United Kingdom. The system OF the government
| OF Ireland, which the tory party Is enanOred Of
Is system which requires this great military force
not to keep it in conteHtment for y fails in that but
tendencies. II were Of the conservative party
aagh;erl use the term s y used In the tory
there as BE spot sn the s
my principles had had fun play 1t was in that I'M
its sI power an Established Church Supported BY this
powerful Great Britain; magistrates all over the
suasion everything there ex istng which the most
| gluttonous tory could desire to see, and accompa-
py @ 4y anS s re
selves nee from that kind Of govern
Britain to control them. lCheersl But pow, gen.
tlemen. let us look at 1t in Reasonable view-I
mean this question OF the e2e.ooo,ooo as debt and
the eco 900 forthe army and navy, which means
| what? 1t means something equal to o debt OF ano-
Their $500 600 GOO sterling to that which our fore
the interest upon It. There is another OF $780,,
100000 the interest OF which yon paying In taxes
| when not only in time of profound peace, but
when no country In the world menaces or dstrusts
us; when there is not cloud In the horizon or In
the sky and when II ever there was time when the
United Kingdom may be SAID to be IN tranquility
If YOU were to look back over the history Of England
from the time or the Revolution-from the time OF
William III-to the end of the Russian war. you will
find that almost every war in which we were en-
gagged was war based on that utter folly and
lunacy that this nation is called upon to
We have now abolished that policy and given
up that deluson. We have got free from that aber
ration and we are for a moment In o sound mind.
Cheers and aughter) May we not, then, calculate
that II keep out OF the former hallucination II we
retain that sound mind, If we for the next lfy years
or one hundred years win maintain our present pol
icy Of not meddng with the affairs OF Europe, then
we shall be at least as lree rom wars IN hundred
dred years that are passed. tCheers II that be 80,
If there be any hope OF itand believe there Isl
ask why we should go on paying twenty-six million
pounds sterling year for the enormous cost OF the
army and nayy9 Iquoted passage yesterday from
perhaps the foremost name IN English hisory-froIn
John Milton ! may now quote another. He de-
scribes this as the draining The veins OF the body
sweat OF your brows from the skill OF your brains
the industry OF your hands, from that which you have
families to supply their wants-from all these this
coo Is gathered up not once In 100 years, but
every year. to support the army and navy, 10 mali
abandoned. III you read the papers, which tell US
nearly everything-I find they sometimes tell us
something about the West indian and North Amer
lean feet something about the Pacific squadron and
something about the naval force Of her Majesty In
the China seas; something about what has hap
pened TO great ship Of war on the coast OF India or
the cape rnen you near o. 9rd az raget as
with tremendous feet. (I.aughter.l You hear fur
Their that there IL always great Channel Meet, which
Is necessary for our home protection. There Is
necessity whatever for these fleets on your coast
traversing every ocean as they do now. There Is
great fleets and squadrons everywhere. / don't
know whether 1t Is dream or vision, or foresight
or reality that sometimes passes across my
mind but IKE to dwell upon lt-that the time may
come when the maritime nations OF Europe--this
nowned country OF which we are ciilzsns, France.
Prussia, Russia resuscitated Spain-tcheers)-ltaly
and the United States Of Amerca-may see that
those vast fleets OF no use; that they merely
they are grand Inventions by which the blood Is with.
drawn from the veins OF the people TO feed their
ulcers and that they may to this grand and wise
concluson-they win combine at their Joint expense
and under some joint management to supply the sea
with vast sailing and armed police, which may be
necessary to keep the peace on all parts Of the
watery surface OF the globe and those great instru
ments OF war and oppression shall no longer be up
held. (Cheers.) This Of course. by many will be
thought to be O dream and vision, not the FORE
sight OF what they call statesman. (Cheers.) Still
! have faith that II will not be forever that we
shall read OF what Wilberforcc called the noxious
race Of heroes and conguerors that what Christianity
points TO viii one day he achieved and that the
na0ons throughout the world will live In peace
with each other. How much can we have now or
that twenty-six million pounds? think one. half
OF II was considered enough thirty years ago when
the Duke OF wellington and Sir Robert Peel were IN
power. This heavy taxation always makes taxation
unequal for when the taxation is heavy the power
fui classes are always en1eayorlng to shift 1t from
their shoulders TO those OF somebody that Ia