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The Irish Reform Bill and Church Question.
LONDON, June 25-Midnight
In the House Of Commons this evening the Irish
Reform bill was read third time and passed.
The re0tum donum, the government grant an
nuay made to the Presbyterian churches Of Ireland
was voted.
The new postal convention with the United states
is stin pending in the House. The government 10
endeavorng to make uniform terms with all the
steamship companies.
The Irish Church Bill Debate-Scene In tho
House Of Lords.
LONDON, June 25-Midnight
In the House OF Lords tonight there was very
large attendance Of PEERS owing to the fact that an
exciting debate ON the Irish Church question was
expected. Many members OF the House were on
the oor, and the galleries packed with visitors
Great interest, almost approaching q feverish ex
element, was manifested throughout the proceed
ings.
Lord Granville moved the second reading of the
Irish Church appointment Suspension bill. He said
Fenanism had been received with apprOvai and ac
quiescence by the middle and lower classes In Ire
land. The discomfort in that country was gen.
eral. Firmness and decision were necessary
to put down seditlous movements. But
long before this bill was proposed Mr.
Gladstone had declared to himself and others that
the Irish question must be met, even If it cost the
wings their offices. The bill had passed the House
OF Commons by an enormous majority. II similar
suspensory law was proper in Jamaica 1t was still
more proper in Ireland, where the Anglicans
numbered less than 100000, while the Roman
Catholics numbered 100000, and where there
was but one diocese in which the Ang-
cans exceeded in numbers one-fOurth OF the
population. Thus the Irish Church was failure as
q missionary establishment. It was q remnant Of
old conflicts. To call its disestablishment sac
rege was absurd as its revenues had belonged sue
cessively to several different sects.
The late Archbishop whately, Of Dublin, had ar.
gued was duty of the State to take posses
sion Of all benefactlOns which did not fulfil their OBJ
ect; other authorities took the same view. The
Church OF England would gain by this measure. The
Irish were not Indifferent to it. 1t was said
that the people were Indifferent to the re-
form Of 1865; yet riots and other demon
strations obliged the tories to pass the Reform BILL
He showed that the passage Of the Reserves act had
contented the Canadas. The condition of. Ireland
was painful to contemplate. The writ OF
habeas corpus remained suspended. The gov
ernment did not dare to furnish arms to
its volunteers there. Sooner later the Church
must separate from the State Lord Palmer
ston had said "Englishmen will never concede
until concession becomes surrender" Why should
not this bill be passedS 1t was useful practical and
its passage would prove that Parliament was ready
to treat the Irish case Justly.
Iord Crov hat hp aQCO
bill be postponed for six months He said he had al
ways condemned the Irish Church establishment as
an outrage, but he considered the present measure
Ill timed, inadequate and indefinite.
Lord Malmesbury complained Of the way In which
the measure had been sprung and urged upon Par
lament He quoted from the last years speeches Of
Mr.. Gladstone, which, he said, gave the government
reason to expect that the contest would not be
brought at SO early sday, and 1t was unjust to
the government to press 1t. The government
however, anxious to reform the Irish
Church; but this bill precluded any action
on its part He objected to the measure,
because no hint had been given as to the
application Of the spoils Of the Establishment. The
only excuse for the bill that 1t intended to
pacify Ireland. But such result was improbable.
The destruction Of the Irish Church would tend to
sever the union Of England and Ireland
Lord Clarendon thought Lord Malmesbury was
inconsistent in opposing this bill, as two years ago
he denounced the Irish Establishment as the 'church
Of few, :" and proposed to divide its funds among
all the different sects. Lord Clarendon continued
by declaring that the Irish Church had failed to
carry out its object, and its existence was injury
to England throughout the world. He feared the
lection Of the bill by the Lords, and deplored the
effect such action would have on Ireland.
The Archbishop Of Canterbury opposed the bill
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grievances, but rupture of the Union.
Lord Derby said:-I the Lords were ready to dis
regard and sacrifice all Protestant interests
at the bidding Of a would-be Minister and
Of the majority OF an expiring House he
would only protest against the measure act of
spoliation. He had always supported the Papiss in
their struggle to gain their rights; but he would not
suffer aggression The bill would only foster discord
in Ireland He protested against this attack on the
rights Of property, which hereafter would be ex-
tended to England. He said he knew his course was
unpopular, but he would never seek popularity for
its own sake only.
Lord Kimberly said this was the first step which
had been taken to pacify Ireland. He deprecated
some illusions which had been made to the oath
taken by the Queen her accession to the throne.
Her Majesty acted on the advice Of her Ministers.
The argument concerning the violation Of the rights
Of property would be found to cut both ways. The
Catholics had recognized the transfer Of their
Church property IN ancient times to the Anglicans
The Bishop OF London said he was willing to make
concessions to conciate Ireland but this bill would
not effect such conciliation. He did not believe the
people Of Ireland desired the change which 1t con.
templated.
AT late hour the debate was adjourned.
Consul Rassam Home from Abyssinia.
LONDON. June u.s. 1858.
Mr.. Rassam, formerly her Majesty's Consul In
Abyssinia and Of the party held long in cap.
tvity by the late King Theodorus, has arrived In
England and to-day had public reception at Kings
College, where he was heartily cheered and warmly
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