The New York herald., 1868-04-04

assumed by the new Ministry should one come to
power.
MIR. Disraelis Plan .uf Adjournment Of the
C0mmons-The Debate ON the Irish Church
Questionable Union with Ireland Declared
Repenlable.
LONDON. Apri! s-Midn.ght
The House OF Commons was densely crowded TO-
night both on the door and In the galleries, long
before the hour for the commencement Of the pro-
,ceedings.
The Prime Minister. Mr.. DisraeN, rose and moved
an adjournment to the goth instant, when the House
should rise tonight. If In the division the liberals
should have majority. Then the House might 20
into Committee on the Irish Church, report progress
and resume the debate on the 27rh. He promised
mat the budget would be produced on the 2sd
instant.
The motion was agreed to- The debate On the
IRISH Church was then resumed.
Mr.. Coleridge said it was quite possible to be
devout friend OF the English establishment and at
The same time foe to the Established Church Of
ireland. The latter was hourishng before was en-
dowed by the State, and was thriving now in the
colonies, and the world over without state aid and
would survive all establishments. The union was In
his opinion, repealable. The Church OF England
was tolerant that OF Ireland by force OF crcum.
stance bigoted and militant. II should be pIucked
up by the roots. The ministers had not said It
would not disestabsh the Irish Church. Even Mr.
Hardy, who went further than any other member Of
the government said that only in that case he would
resign.
Mr.. Hardy, interruptng Mr.. Coeridge said The
Ministry would oppose the resolutions proposed by
Mr.. Gladstone, and would aid the disestabsh.
ment of the Irish Church.
Mr.. Colerdge said the resolve was not an abstract
proposition, for it would show to Ireland that Eng
land had begun to regard the question from the Irish
point Of view and would right the other wrongs Of
Ireland as they When her garrison should be
pensioned of Ireland would accept the omen, the
war would be over, and she would meet England on
friendly terms.
Mr. Beresford Hope opposed the amendment Of
Lord Stanley, proposing to throw the whole subject
over to the next Parliament.
Mr.. stansfeld also spoke against the amendment.
Mr.. Lanyon and viscount Hamilton spoke In favor
OF postponenent, and Mr.. Nugent and Mr. Lloyd
against 1t.
Earl Mayo said the disendowment OF the irish
Church would increase absenteeism ON the part OF
landlords from Irish soil indefinitely. He owned
to the existence OF discomfort, but this mea-
sure would divide Ireland into two hostile
camps; for Fenianism had got to be based
on hatred to the Irish Church. He asked
for delay and the obtaining OF further information
and mischievous.
Mr.. CARDwELL said nothing was to be gained by
delay. The liberals had clear and Ineligible issue
to place before the country and the tories should be
as explicit. lie hoped the Premier would tell the
House what his views really were.
Mr.. DisraeN said the House had been suddenly
called TO go into committee for the disestablishment
of the Irish Church. He had to consider the best
mode of meeting this movement. He might have
moved the previous question, or have met
the proposition with a direct negative, deny
ing that any change in the Irish Church
was desirable. But having admitted that beneficial
change was possible, that course was impracticaole
The. government had therefore moved an amend
ment the obscurity OF which he justified by the
maxim OF Sir Robert Peel that "Mnisters
should never state their policy In al
amendment; n attempted at length 1t would be
cumbrous and II brief 1t would be ambiguous; but
they should seize the salient points and maintain
tnem.p Mr.. Disraeli mentioned two points which de
feat the resoves-viz, that the time inopporune
as commission was now examining into Church
affairs, and that this Parliament was morally incom
petent to settle the question He then attacked Mr..
Gladstone for his adoption OF and urging OF the cru
SADIE against the Church at eight days. notice. Th
act OF union was solemn covenant between th
Irish and English Protestants to be observed In al
rs bearings.
Mr.. Gladstone had appealed to the new House. bu
the new House could not be hoodwinked into givin
up their privileges. He attacked Mr. Cranbourn
and his motives and said the only effect would be
evoke Mr.. Lowe from his Cave OF Adullam and jo
him In the chorus OF reciprocal mallgnit
But now they had the hour and the man, thong
somehow the man was not yet here. His remark
were on the defensive. He had never attacked an
man In his life. (Cries Of "Peel.nJ He admitte
that there was something critical In the affair
OF Ireland but said there was no DANCE
from Fenianism that was prostrated 80 low that
call for revolutionary measures could be made tn
Irish had always had his sympathy. He did no
despse their sentimental grievance, but tn
Irish were not q conquered race, nor was th
Church a badge OF conquest. The tory policy wa
one OF conciliation. They had sought 70 aid tn
Catholics In order to strengthen Pro.estants an
attain equality. It had been successful. But Nj
Gladstone proposed q change which outraged IN
feelings of large and influential part OF the commu
nifty. What was to be thought OF statesman VII
should throw . nrebrand into the state and kndl
the drest namest The plan proposed was simpi
connscation. Rituslists and Papists had long bee
plotting 10 seize, with the aid Of the hbers
party the supreme power OF che realm, and u th
present movement should succeed the Crown itse
would be In danger.
Mr.. Gladstone said much OF the speech OF the Prs
mier was the result OF o heated imagination. So IA
as the endowments of the irish Church were cor
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