The daily dispatch. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1884, 1868-07-27

subject TO the Roman PontiR. The same
Journal safsrnsn that IL is heresy for the
liberal Catholics to imagine . concilistlon
R Che Church With the world, and treats
The libsrty Of worship and Of the press 40
madness. poison, and pestilence. Noise.I
The President: think the Chamber
would prefer to hear your own OPINIONS
instead Of quotations from the journals
Hear, hear. -,...,u.
should not be r.ixed up with political SUB
jects.
NJ. Gueroult Then you should not have
interviewed at Rome. If the ideas refer ie1e
to were simply theories, should not trou-
BILE myself about them; but they lnnuence
the conduct Of the clergy towards :, INC
Government and the civil authority. ihas
result is seen in all countries. IN AustrIa
civil marriage is mathematical by fne
Church. AS for public instruction, exam
ules are not wanting in France. The Go
yernment is paying ebout forty six millions
year TO the Catholic clergy to propagate
ideas which are the subversion OF our
policy.
The President It is to be presumed that
there are other motives for spending Inc
money than those indicated by the honor
able member. assent 49,.
NJ. Gueroult: say that we are WITHOUT
any guarantee, and we are exposed 10 Sc
rious disorders in allowing such q state Oh I
| things to subsist. That is the opinion, OF
Count de Montalembert, devoted Cathoilc,
who has written that Gin any change OF
regime the budget of religion will be the
first to disappear in the storm not IL the
name Of religious. liberty, which Is per-
fectly compatible with paid clergy, nor
| in that Of religious equality, for during
the last half century the ministers OF all
forms Of worship have been paid from the
Budget, but solely from hatred Of the Catno-
lie Church and to punish it for its COM
plicity, more apparent than real, with con-
temporary absoluteism." This is the
opinion Of q man profoundly Catholic, and
who believes in political liberty. wish
to avoid any such violent rupture by sepa-
ration of Church and State. Evidently you
cannot impose On the clergy the doctrines
Of the Gallican Church and, on the other
hand, you have right to refuse to ally
yourselves with the doctrines Of the
Ultramontane school. Every one would
gain by the separation; the Church the
| first, for singular facts are occurring In
consequence of this confusion. All the
nations which had COMPOUNDED the Church
with the State are beginning to see their
error, England among others. And mere
let me point out the inferior position occu-
pied BY the Catholic countries. What are
the nations which take the lead in the
world? Prussia, Russia, England, and
America. / will not speak of Franco at this
moment. Then see the countries which have
remained Catholic-Spain, Italy (until a
recent period), South America, Ireland,
and Poland. Does not that prove that there
is something in the Catholic religion
| TMurmurs and dissent.
The President: I must ask M. Gueroult
to treat this subject with the respect it I'M
poses. he is wrong to attribute to Cathol'
| icism the relative situation in which the
different nations are placed. France is
Catholic, and is sufficient reply to that
argument. Loud applause.
| M. Gueroult I should be sorry to wound
any religious ideas; but when the prlncl-
pies for which our fathers sacrificed their
property and their existence are denied and
attacked, l say solution can only be at
tanned by means of divorce, not by mu-
tual consent, for the Church still clings to
the union by an incompatibility Of temper
[Movement.]
M. Chefandier de Valdrome l must ex-
press my surprise at hearing NJ. Gueroult
attack the free teaching as given by the re-
ligious establishments. If the instruction
given was contrary to the laws and the Con-
cordat the clergy would soon be recalled to
an observance Of their duties. will leave
the Minister Of Public Worship to answer
the proposal for separation Of Church and
State; but will say that if the divorce is
to take place there would only be an act OF
justice in restoring to the Church some OF
the property of which it has been despoiled
and of which the grant to the clergy is only
compensation.
The discussion was again adjourned.