New-York tribune., 1868-04-18
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document, Whlch contains llnt OF CONSULAR
vacancies existed at the time such appontmens were
Mr. BOUTWELL, wish TO call the counsel for the re-
papers that these vacancies happened during the recess
OF tns Senate II merely states that they were filled dor
Mr. CURTIs-It rs does not appear when the vacancies
mae 70 % All vacancies sasi during
Mr. BOUTWELL, I give notice that we propose to con-
der these as cases happening during the recess Of the
1Ir EvARTs-And filed during the session. ei
MI BOUTWELL-We do not know anything about
Mr EyARTs- The certificate is to that effect; hlNd
during the session Of the Senate ~
nI Mr. C,is I do mot object e the paper
- o SECRETARY wELiEs's rssrIMosY rsi
Gideon Weles sworn on behalf Of the respondent and
Mr. welles You are now Secretary Of the Savyt A.
O. At what time, and from whom did you receive that
appointment A. was appointed IN March, isci by
q And have held tie Office continually until nOwi A.
O. Do yon remember on the st OF February last your
attention being drawn 70 some movements 81 troops or
military a. On asd e 70 ss ~ ea,
O. How was that brought to your attention Ny
son brought them TO my attention had attending
party and order came TO the party requiring an
with TO headquarters. .,'
Q Did consequence OF that seek Or have an in;
teryiew with the President Of the United states A.
requested my son to so over that ne ohowg
day. ~ + t.f.f .f.r p s.t
Mr.. BUTLER-stop moment .-lf l4..r
| Mr EvARTs7Yoa attempted to send Q message at
oet me noon 20 aa on a she aaa a.
| told him what i had heard. and asked him what il
Mr. BUTLER-we object TO that conversation. and be-
fore we go 70 the objection would ne to ask the wit
ness TO fix the time little more correctly. iiNA
witness-About IL o'clock on the 22d Of February,
@ How close e u oelOck-betOre or aftsri A should
circumstance two; the Attorney General was there
yaeR went in and while there o ss & n @ % o.
yered to the Private Secretary to be Carried to tho
Mr. BUTLER-stop moment ?"
Mr. EvARTsIt is not time for crossexsmination now.
MI BUTLER-It is in order TO ascertain whether It ~
MI. EvARTs-It is quite immaterial,
Mr. BUTLER Ito witnessl-You think 10 was very near
II O'clock could have been early hafpas eeveni
A. No sir, don't think it was ~
@ Between that time and haltpast twelve, some tmei
Mr. EyARTs-what passed between you and the
President after you had made that statement TO him with
| reference to that communication
Mr.. BUTLER asked to have the question putin writing
Mr. EVIKTI win state that this evidence is offered
betMeen 70 the s1f ana aen Emory
Mr. BUTLER-That is precisely as we UNDERSTAND s p III
was sent for before Mr. weiles appeared the
&c By my my aes settled 10 'a kat en %e
received to the President at 10 o'clock N
the morning that he got there before the sesrsta OF
does appear that this conversation was before Gen.
Mr. EVARTs-That is matter Of proof which is to be
considered when It all In, as to which is nght on our
| side, and which on theirs. ., ou
verston is not to considered proof Of which was
on the % a for %ss s en
there, they could put In the evidence ..,r.
tent no senator raising question, it was admitted.
| The question was again read ,,.,,,.. A..
words Of the President were don't know what Emory
means al don't know what Emory Is about l re-
marked that thought he ought 70 know that when ne
was sending for officers at such time must be for
reason he hestated I'VE we naa @ m niue eSsr son
that that he would send and inquire into IT. think no
Mr EVARTs~I WIN call your attention to the 2lst Of
February the close Of the Cabinet meeting, on that
day At what hour was the Cabinet meeting held Oh has
Wtness-At IA O'Clock, the regular hour.
O. That the usual hour and that Is the usual day OF
the Cabinet meetingf A. Yes, Sir.
q. Did You at that time have any interview with the
Mr. stanton's removal mentionedf Answer, yes or
O. At about what hour Of the day was that A. About
Had yOu, up TO tina. time, heard q the removal of
| Mr. Stantoni A. had not; was told before left
O. Aud after the Cabinet meeting was closed this inter-
view took place at which this subject was menlionedi A.
Mr.. EvARTS dnteruptng)-N matter state whether
What passed between you and the President at that
ON motion, the Senate then took Of Is min
After recess the examination of Secretary welles
continued by Mr.. Evarts.
4 y. DID the President make any COMMUNICATION 10 you
on this decision concerning the removal Of Mr. Stanton
| ana the appointment OF Gen. Thomas-answer yes or
O. Was this before this Cabinet meeting had broken no,
or at what step OF your meeting was A. We had gos
Pss WIN @he the
believe ali we're Ss sfa
r 70 prove % M nat Sn ts ass 9esa se
members Of the Cabinet before the meeting broke
up, that he had removed Mr.. stanton and appointed
the inquiry by Mr.. weles whether GEN Thomas was in
possession Of the office that the President % epsdS ee yas
Stanton acquIesced, the President replied that he did;
G S to fs q
sci to this question: 1 understand Mr. welles that h
Mr. EVAKTs~No have put that according to the fact
that when they had got Through S aOe %h as sna as %
breaking up, that the President made that eoamuniea
Mr.. BUTLER objected that 1t could not be evidence.
He said that it now made certain that this aet wss
done without any ~ o. MS TSe preaen
had night to consult his Cabinet except ey me s
this subject which he Buter had heretofore taken be-
fore the Senate The Constitution for good pnsposes
reouired the President be wished the advice Oh ms
Cahinet to ask IL in writing that might appear for
all time what that advice was That was because lners
msmSers of the Cabinet to put the advice
by order Of the King the Cabinet or the advice OF the
spodsd IN the Earl Of Danbury That question
been settled s0 o 90 aas hs 0qS nI
and Seted 5 his sSe ss hen
Sv his narrative Of what he had done and what he had
Intended 10 do defend himself before this tribunal from
the consequences Of his acts 1t was exactly the same
question almost unanimously decided yesterday In the
esse OF Mr. Perrin and Mr. seye where conversation OF
few minutes earlier later, was ruled out This was
not an attempt take the advice OF Mr. WeIes but 10
inform him and Of the Cabinet of what had been
dene that after the Cabinet meeting while hey were
talking together as any other citizens might do AZ would
be Is question should be attempted to be put In THIS
| case after the Court adjourned. ,.,..,
10 show that the act Of removal or appointment toos
nIoce without previous advice from the Cabinet HOW
ever that fact might be- all that appeared was that Mr
Wa had not then heard fact that they had taken