The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-04-10

could say was more In his favor than against himf
q. Did you ten Mr.. Koppsl that when you were
brought up to be examined since your arrival In this
@ Ssas w no. an :sy ap dS sSnf
explanation Of that question: ssy that there was
they supposed could testify what ] could not.
Q Have you been examined before this timer A.
9. y any one, 4. !have, sir.
| Q. Who by frstS A. BY the Managers.
g. Were you examined or talked to by any one Of
VIEWS with two u Of them before was examined;
could hardly call II an examination io - co,
Boutwell, and General Butler.
Q. WhenS A. Monday OF this week.
Q. Did you say to Mr.. Koppel that since You had
in case you would give certain testimony it would be
to your benentG A. did not, sir
Redirect examination by Mr.. BUTLER
@. Who Is Mr.. K0ppel f-temphasizng the name 80
as to provoke laughter In the galleries.) A. Mr..
Koppel, sir is an acquaintance OF mine on the ave-
Q. What is his merchandise A. He is a manufac-
turer OF garments-a tailor. Laughter)
q. Do you know Of any sympathy between him
and the Presidents A. have always supposed,
SIR that Mr. Kppeh was Southern The man IN dsp
O. Do you mean that to be an answer to my ques-
ton Of sympathy between the President and hims
Q.aughter.) A. Yes, SIR Laughter.)
O. Now, sir, the counsel for the President has
asked you if you told Mr.. Koppe that you had been
l
words to that effect you answered in explanation,
as understand, that there was misunderstanding,
| which you explained to Mr.. KOppel. viii you have
the goodness to tell us what that misunderstanding
| wasY
MIR. SrANBERY rose to object.
have right to the SeV Whole hole 81 It. V ' w
Q. viii ask, in the first place, did you explain the
| Q. Very well; tell us what that understanding was
that You explained to him in that conversations A.
| think, sir, gentleman IN Boston wrote you that
the President asked me If would give twenty-five
per cent of the proceeds of any ONCE for political
teman from Boston misunderstood me- the Presi-
dent said nothing Of the kind to me, and explained
| O. Did you explain where the misunderstanding
| arOse9 A. l told him it must have occurred in a
conversation between gentleman from Boston and
myself
Q. In regard to whatf A. In regard to twenty-five
per cent.
Q. Did you explain to Mr.. Koppel where the idea
cent? A. did, sir.
| tnctly told us that nothing else occurred be-
| tween the President and himself. 1t is certainly
quite unimportant What occurred between this
Mr.: BuTLER-I pray Judgment again upon this.
You have put in conversation about tailor upon
Pennsylvan avenue or somewhere else and this
| witness. / want the whole of the conversation.
suppose from the evidence of the gentleman that the
| conversation between Mr.. Koppe. the tailor, and
this witness put in for some good purpose. If it
was want the whole OF ii.
| Mr.. EvARTs-Mr. Chief Justice the fact is not ex-
actly stated. In the privileged cross-eXaminaton
| counsel for the President asked the witness dis
tnctly whether he had said so and so to Mr. Kcppel
| Witness said he had not and then volunteered
| statement that there might have been some mis-
understanding between Mr.. Koppel and himself on
| that subject or some misunderstanding somewhere.
Our inquiry had not reached asked for or brought
out the misunderstanding We hold distinctly that
everything that relates to any conversation or inter-
| view between the President and this witness,
| whether as understood or misunderstood, has been
gone through and the present point OF inquiry and
| and the further testimony to the grounds OF the
| misunderstanding between this witness and some
| interrogation in Boston We object to.
| Mr.. BUTLER--Having put IN part of this testi-
mony in regard to Koppe, whether voluntary or not
have right to the whole OF II. VIII explain. !
that the President said that twenty hve per cent
to be given, but one OF his friends. This Is where
the misunderstanding was. DO the gentlemen still
obect2
Mr.. EvARrs-Certainly.
| Mr.. BUTLER-Thats all.
| TESTIMONY OF FOSTER BLODGETT.
| Mr.. Foster Blodgett was sworn and examined by
| Mr. BUTLER
G. Were you an Officer Of the United States at any
| O. where9 A. In Augusta, Ga.
q. Holding what oliceY A. Postmaster OF the city.
q. When did you go into the exercise OF that office
A. was appointed on the 18th Of july 1866, and
(witness produced his commission, which was ex.
hibted by Mr. Butler to counsel for the President)
8. We're YOU oa SUSPENDED from nm c1ices A. Yes
@. Have you a copy Of the letter Of suspension ?
A. have not copy OF 1t mere; 1t was dated the sd
q. Have you examined to see whether your sus.
pension and the reasons therefor have been sent to
| Post Office Committee they have not been sent I'm.
| Mr.. BUTLER-I suppose that Senators ascertain
| for themselves how that Is.
| Senator JoHNsON-Of course we know all about It.
Mr. BUTLER-I suppose you did know al about IT,
| suspensions A. None that know Of.
| The witness was not cr0ss-examined.
| Mr.. BUTLER called upon counsel for the President
| to present the original letter OF suspension.
Mr. BUTLER then put In evidence the letter Of
| Adjutant General Thomas dated s'War Department
| ack Is mi Mt m ut
as Secretary OF War dd interim.
Mr. BUTLER stated that he was instructed by the
Managers to say that they would ask leave to put in
proper certificate from the records OF the Senate
to show that no report OF the suspension Of Foster
| Blodgeu has ever been made to the Senate
The CHIEF JUSTICE remarked that that could be
put In at any time.
Mr.. BUTLER then said, on the part OF the Managers,
| ave Closet
Mr.. srANBERY-I ask the honorable Manager under
| what article this case Of Blodgctt comes2
| Mr.. BUTLER-In the final discussion l have no
doubt that the gentleman who closes the case for the
Managers will answer that question TO your satisac
| ti0nY
Mr.. srANBERY-I have no doubt OF that myself
The question is why we are TO be put to the trouble
| The CHIEF JUSTICE remarked that the case was
closed on the part OF the Managers and that there
was no question before the court on which this dis
cuss0n could continue.
| Mr.. SrANBERY-The question is that we merely
| want to know under what article this case OF Mr..
The CHIEF JusrrcE-The Managers state that they
| have concluded their evidence. Gentlemen counsel
for the President, you will proceed with your de-
4 fence.
Argument Of Mr.. Curtis for the Defence.
Mr. CURTIS rose to open the on the part Of the
| President. He sad-
Mr.. CHIEF JUSTICE AND SENATOR'S am here to
speak to the Senate OF the United States sitting In
judicial capacity as Court OF Judicial Impeachment
presided over by the Chief Justice OF the United
States, for the trial OF the President OF the United
| states. tIiere one or two sentences were entirely
inaudiblel Inasmuch as the constitution requires
that there shall be trial, and nasmuch az In that
trial the oath which each one OF you has taken is
administer impartial justice according to the
constitution and laws, the only appeal that
| ] can make here in behalf Of the President
| Is an appeal to conscience and to the reason
OF each Judge who sits In this court on the law
and the fact IN the case upon its judicial merits On
the duties incumbent on that high Office, by virtue OF
his ONCE and on his honest endeavor TO discharge
those duties the President rests his case: And pray