The New York herald., 1868-04-10

tremely clear one, and that we were not chargeabe
contended we were chargeabie. 1t is no reason for
declining arbitration that you have an extremely
good case TO submit TO the arbitraors On the con.
trary, think that would be rather good reason why
We should not shrink from having the case alleged
against as referred to tribunal OF that kind The
other objection which the noble earl mentioned was
this-he said there was controversy on matter OF
fact at the very commencement OF the claim which
accurately that Mr. Adams had contended that armed
ships had left the ports of this country whereas LORD
Clarendon had taken issue on that point ana mad de
MED that any ships which Could be properly so de-
scribed had left the ports OF this country Quest0ns
OF fact are just as necessary to be referred 70 arotra
tion as questions OF law should desire to know how
question of fact Of that kind asserted on one side
and disputed the other Is to be determined unless
you are able to evoke the aid OF some independent
arbter or tribunal who will decide the fact as well
as he will decide the law. think therefore, none OF
these grounds could afford any reason why we should
regard to the state of the negotiations than to re-
mind your lOrdshps exactly how they now stand. As
the noble lord the Secretary OF State said elsewhere
we have now conceded that which In the first in
stance the American government required-that
to the liability OF the government OF this country
with regard to the claims in question, But
beyond that and since that concession on our part.
Minister, have made further demand aYid then re.
Qu,e notc not merely that zoe sau REFER TO TIE aroi-
claims 0 also that shall be referred TO the Grbi-
traitor, matter TO De decided a1hether this coun
Seeding 1ses as 1 ' al The "e s eo me
aV so recognized then In answer to that the argu.
ment OF my noble friend has been so simple, and
venture to say 80 conclusive that in very few
tences will remind your ordships of it. MY noble
friend cOntended in the first place that that question
lS altogether irrelevant to the claims arising out OF
the OF the Alabama and Of other ships and rree
want for this reason: 1t has never been disputed
either side that there was time at which, beyond all
doubt, the recognition Of the United States as bel
lgerents must have been proper and necessary on
the par part .sa. Of this this country Hear hearl II
1t be a month sooner or later-about the
month Of July, or the date Of the battle Of
Bull run, then 1t would be many months before
the time at which the Alabama left this country
which was in the April following. Next my noble
friend has contended that according to the principles
OF International law, according to all authorities
international law, according TO the authorities re-
cOgnized by the United States government ITSELF the
particular time recognize q state OF war between
two Powers which are actually at war is a matter
and that there are no data upon which any arbitrator
or independent tribunal can be called upon to pro-
nounce whether the recognition was proper or was
improper. Thirdly, my noble friend has cOntended-
and this, perhaps, will be quite sufficient even II
there were no other argument in the case-that be.
fore the government OF this country recognized the
Southern States as belligerents the government OF
the United States itself had recognized the Southern
States in that capacity by declaring the blockade OF
footing that state OF war existed. My noble friend
has pointed out that II the question were to be re-
opened 1t would go further than the United States
has proposed, because it would entitle us to
claim compensation for all captures made by
were breaking the blockade. That is the Stage at
which the negotiatons-I hope only for the present
worSs Which u am snare wnnd nd ers IN ba m
minds Of all your lordships, to the character great
eminence and ability OF the distinguished statesman
who has been long the Minister to this country Of
the United States and whose departure from this
country IN that capacity we ALL am sure, extremely
struck by some observations made by That very emf.
nent person few days ago: Speaking on the sub
ject which has now occupied your lordships, atten
tinn Mr Ia n aa a ann
OF all true diplomacy Is to be found In the Christian
maxim Of doing to your neighbor that which you
good way Of arrangement Is sure ultimately to be
found" My lords, think we have shown substan-
Guilty is good. am willing to take according to the
letter what Mr. Adams states Of the will and incna
ton Of the American government win be strange,
indeed my lords, with that state OF mind on both
sides an arrangement OF this difficulty does not
before long present itself. (Hear, hear)
Lord WEsTBURY (the whole OF whose remarks
could not be distinctly heard) wished to offer few
observations, which, he said, would be ELECTED by
the regret he felt that these negotiations for arbitr
ton had been suspended for time. He thought
they were suspended under some misapprehenson
OF the nature OF the claim intended to be brought
forward by the United States. 1t was extremely
desirable to ascertain with accuracy what ought
to be the condition Of the arbitration. In the
phrase international law" and "breach of interna-
tiOnal law.n No word could be more Inappropriate
than the word claw" for there was no law what
ever. There were, however, certain rules which
had been agreed to by civilized nations, and which
derived their authority and force merely from the
consent Of their governments. Throughout the
whole Of these discussions false notions were Incl
dentally suggested by the use OF the phrase nter-
The Lord Chancellor wished to correct two errors
vertently fallen and which, If left unnoticed, might
create some misapprehension elsewhere. His noble
and learned friend had put very ingenious con-
structi0n upon the demand made the part Of the
United States government by Mr.. Seward. All he
could say was that the explanation which his noble
and learned friend had offered had been giDe,i
on Mr.. .Sei1ard himself ana for this Ueyv good rea-
son, that II al that Icas desired icds that the pre-
mature recogniton, as ,oos termed or state or
beHfgerercV to be made topic or eriderce be-
fore The arbitrator going to support claims IN other
respects, that ,cas not thing 10 be stipulated ror
beforehand. IL was question for the arbitrator
who was the Judge OF what was relevant and what
was not. II was thing unheard Of that subms-
sion to arbitration should contain reference to
what was TO be adduced In evidence before the ar
brator. The other error he desired to correct
the statement OF his noble and learned friend that
the negotiations had broken off, The exact point at
which they stood was this:-Nr. Setrdrds last
n,tucatiOn contained proposed in soDierhdt gene
raj terms or a commission 10 inquire into all ne
claims. His noble niead had requested Mr.. .S,rd,d
TO describe more accurately ,chot tcouid De aimed at
sy sgd ana r. sas sss2 no' a'oa0 Mr.
Premier Disrueli ON the Church Crsis--Cnbi.
net Attempt at "a "No Popery'' Agitation
The Union Of Church and State.
when the Australasan left Liverpool the position
taken By Mr.. Dsrae in regard to the Irish Church
was producing cry Of .No Popery" in some
quarters, and the following letter, addressed by the
Premier TO Lord Dartmouth, as President Of the
National Union OF Conservatives and the Constitu-
tional Associations, was attracting attention. lie
says
10 DOWNING STREET, March "a, 1868.
NY LoRDI have received with pride and gratitude the
memorial OF the Council OF the National Union OF the Con-
sutona Associations connected with that body In which
they their confidence and their thorough deter
mnaon TO support by all IN their power the govern
men have formed by the command and with the approval
Of her Majesty Such expressions OF feeling on the part OF
influential bodies OF counrymen oppor
tune We have heard something lately Of the crisis OF Ire
land In opinion the crisis Of England In rather at hand
or the purpose s avowed, and that BY powerful party
OF destroying that union between Church
which has hitherto been the chief OF civilization
and the only security for religious liberty. the
y. DIsRAELf
| The Righ, Honorable the Earl Of DARTMOUTH.
Disrncii Endorsed by Lord Derby.
wiseonnt Nev forwarded for publication the fol: