The workingman's advocate. [volume] (Chicago [Ill.]) 1864-1877, 1868-01-25

shosld be- one OF the objects Of the lsgisls.
ture / do mot think 90 - syegards nation.
4 q sociation, but II might Be an advantage
70 Sheflsld b. - heard sesersl wisnesssl
before the commispion in ShefIield ask for
that very think, bat it 10 . thing which
could not agree with myself, nor would
desire to see II adopted In national trade
or ganixation. -
You do NOS wish that the Legislature shouid
be 1sked 70 aid you fn getting IN extraosdi-
nary levyf So far a. the national organi-
n. ions are oencerned, do net wish il.
Do ycu think that Is wcsid ]. n a1san-
tage 10 Shef1eld2 think il would, because
nsn OF great experience have expressed that
oI tnion.
Would 10 be good thing also that the
legislature should step IN snd give the force
Of Las TO their extraordinary levies If they
bad their Tules certified, and it IVES nsds
compulsory for man to give Q certain no
tice, he would hare ~ oonply with the Law
no doabt. ss
Therefore yot would pat into the,, handa
OF the executis council the power Of issuing
demands to my extent upon their members
Men do not Join society with their eyer
eo04 tHuy @A#W s0G iau0ft4stt3<
According to Jour proposal Jon would ssk
the Legislature in the oase Of Sneiheld to give
the sanction Of Law 10 any Extraordinary de-
mands which the executive might issaef ]
would not do anything Of the kind.
Asregards ShsHisld, the proposal would
be not only that the ordinary subscription
should be enforced By Law, bst that this sx-
traordinary levy should be enforced aleu-
What extraordinary levy 10 il thai yoa speak
gbout
rhs whipi Bot they have nothing Of the
kind in Sheffield; they do this: suppose q
society numbers 200 members, and one third
of them are out OF employment, the Others
agree 10 pay q sufficient weekly contribution
70 support the unemployed. and they increase
Or decrease Shelr weekly payments 40 their
unemployed labor Hucsuates. Tue reason
for this is t1at il they desert their uoions
their wages do not 60 down merely to tbs
extent thst they have had 10 Subscribe 60
support their unsmplyyed labor, bat ons-hsii
Of she wages are topped Of
Mr.. misunderstanding of the name OF
your society and as far 40 you are able 20
represent here the views Of the associated
societies With which you are acting, dc they
usk of the legislature that legal powers
should be given for enforcing their contribu-
rions ap making their rules respected ?
For myself and for our society am sure that
We do not ask any such t1ing, and believe
can say the same with regard 70 the large
organisations throughout the country.
ls ali that you ask that t t-e monies which
you subscribe should be protected from en-
bezzlement That is what We want.
Sir e. w. Head-As ruderstand, besides
protecting them from embessismens, you are
anxious ~ have facilities for investing them
In proPertyi Yes.
IsthAt with riew to Is cooperative
movement Yes, and am glad to find that
y feeling that is working slowly bat sure
" in the minds of the men ct the present
time. They say in effect to. those who re-
present them, let Us accamulate our money
sor the present; but do urge on those who
have influence to let us put it into building
property, 50 that II may be made ayaiiaols
for cooperative purposes when the time
shall come. a-
ChairmAn-Are you acquainted with legal
language enough to say that you wish the
societies were made corporations. 20 that
each society shoald be enabled - invest its
lands i'm land pss sny other se,urity, and
bave the ordinary rights of an ordinary Pro-
prietor? That is what desire.
Lord EIcho-I see that three lines lower
down in this same rule from which read
the extFass jast NOE, clasas 10 OF rule Is
the fOll0wing words occur: Sand should
any branch refuse to admit monies o. levies
| they shall be further empowered TO suspend
1 sxpel faud these are the words wish TO cal
your atssntion to) or By legal process reco.
yer the same.n (, What do you "a can by "le
gal processr" Placing it in the hands OF al
able att 1rney, and letting bin get is FOR N
a. best be can. lr st4s h ah
Bus do yon imagine that you could en-
force these leyies a. the Law now stands b,
| placing case in the hands of an attorney <
prosecute defaulterf can only say tbs
we believed We could do so,. and have dsa'
So i.sse soqasi A-a.s'sS s~as-s. e. la ~ i
Or 10 this mt In the rule merely ss o ser
Of lpancemcnt No, since that has beer
there We give 8ot q man sent to five years
penal servitude. II
1 For wbatf EI~he.siement and withhold
ing m0niess- -.s. =, .-.. ss..sss.-.....
This is not a question Of embeszlement I;
this Is q question OF the members who are 10
arrears Of their subscription, aod who do
not answer their levies? They naturally run
out OF the society.
b You say that Ia sucA cases the sxssstiss
council are 10 do esrssin sbioss--shat "they
shall be furthes emposersd % saspsnd, ,exDe..
or bY legal process recover the samef" That
would refer 20 recovering the property OF
the society-taking q summons out in the
county court We had . secretary WIN
withbeld bis books, and he was sumpoaed
before the county court, and had TO pay .
penslty Of ESQ
Bot an not talking Of secretary; this
applies to these extraordinary iesies, and it
says that he executive couBcil shall have
power to order % extraordinary levy to dis
charge any bill or debt; that, "should any
branch refuse to remit such monies or levies,
ihev shall be fafsher empowered 70 suspend,
iexpel, or hylegal process recover the same. "
That. is not applied TO Q secretary; that 10
applied to members Of branch? II Is in
tended 20 apply toe branch. Supposing that
We had one OF these Extraordinary levies,
aud that nae branch refused 10 remit the
coancii woald then trv 70 show them that
tier must do II, as il was for the general
- they think nssessssy 10 gel the lsviesfsen
t%UtNAunM&N> Woe1 IN oV0moxa 01neo Wte4 A@1
branch. IL they refuse 70 do is, the conn
Gil says-H ell, you must cease 70 be I
branch OF this society; you must deliver
over your books and % On, belonging 70 the
members generally ,snd i yea refuse sshsll
take q summons out against Jon, and leave
the matter to the Law" c. i,
Take ont sunuons for ~hss7 FOR with.
holding the property Of the society
FOE The books or for ~ issg !, The lexy
woald be enfirely sunk then, and We shoald
| take steps 70 recover The properly that be-
Elongs 90 the msnbers generally. @ss' ss''-s
n You do not mean by these &ords, "a I'd
shedld sny branch sefdse y ressis sach no.
( mica or lssies. they shall be fzlAer smpes-
sas.. Z. !. 2, ,as sssis s
legal process enforce thkt .bfanch. .0f IN,
members of That bfano6 - PAY - sGxlsys
Iyoa had ordsFed : We vo1ld dease ~
branch to get The larry e hest fhey eoald.