The New York herald., 1868-04-11
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O. Which you didf A. Yes.
Al that first interview yas LEFT the build
Q. Then you knew that p.e did not mean TO give up
the ofiiceS A. did. -~..
Q. You so understs.ld fullys A. Yes
o. You went bsSk and reported that to the Presi-
o. DID yea report to him that Mr.. Stanton did not
exactly What MI. stanton had said.
Q. Did he ask you what you thought about its A.
Q. Did you tell hims A. did not.
o. You reported the same facts to him which made
the impression on your own t nc oc tnas Mr. stanton
ported the facts OF the conversation.
9. Did yOn show him the the letter. St A: did not
q. Why did you notf A. did not suppose it was
Mr.. Bu1TLER-wny, here was letter ordering you
Mr.. srANBERY.I object to your arguing to the wit
ness Ask him the question.
o the had
Mr.. sTANBERY iinterrupting) Reduce the question
Mr.. BuTLER-I shall not be able to reduce it to
writing II you don't stop interrupting me. ITO the
witness.) You had letter from Mr.. Stanton which,
together with other facts, convinced you that Mr..
that letter in your pocket WY did did you not report
to your chlefS A. did not think it was necessary;
Q. Did you tell the President that Mr.. Stanton had
given orders to General Schriver and General Town
send not to obey your A. think did.
mindi A. don't think have any doubt about it. :
Q. To that understand you to say the President
replied req "very Wen: Go on, and take possession Of
Q. Was there anything more saidP A. think not
Q. About what time Of the day was thatY A. About
Q. Was it Wilkeson or Burleigh that you first told
about taking possession OF the Of1ce2 A. WilkesOn
o.. Where9 A. AT office think
@. How long after you left the President9 A. I
am not sure whether 1t before or after that Mr.
Q. You told Mr. wilkison that you meant to call on
General Grant for military force to take possession
rhodomontadei A. suppose did not mean it.
have never had it in my head to use force
Q. You did not mean it? A. No.
Q. Was 1t merely boast and bragg A. Yes.
O. You saw Wilkinson again that evening at VIII
lardss A. think saw him there few moments.
force to get into the Olcep A. That do not recol-
lect; stated 1t to him once know.
Can you n1 tell whether You to him
Q. Did you not tell him at Wizards that you
meant to use forcef A. told him either at Wizards
than once.
Q. Suppose he testified that you told him at VIII
iard's, would that have been brag-it would have
Q. You saw Mr. Burlegh that EVENING" Yes, sir.
Q: Did you tell him that you meant to use force9
A. The expression that used to him was, that II
found my doors locked, would break them open.
g Did he not put the question to you IN this form:
didn't you say you would put him outY A. suppose
did, but am not certain.
Q. Did he not then say, "And suppose he bars the
door down, and was not that bragG A. No; that
was not brag; meant 1t then.
When l had this conversation with Mr.. Burleigh
break down the doorsS A. Yes, II they were
Q. And you really meant to use forces A. meant
@. Do you mean to say that Mr.. Burleigh has not
properly put before the Senate what you did sayP
conversation better than l.
Q. And whatever you said to him you meant in
good solemn earnestf A. Yes.
Q: You mad then got over t6at playrliness win
Q. And having got over the playful part Of it, and
thinking the matter over you come to the conclusion
to use force-having come to that conclusion, why
would not answer.
Q. Why would 1t not answer A. 1t might pro-
Q. What Kind of dinlcultys A. suppose blood.
Q. What elses A. Nothing else:
Q. Then by difficulty you mean bloodshedY A. II
l used force suppose would be resisted by force
and boodshed might have been issued; that is my
Q. What time did you leave Burleigh or Burleigh
leave your A. 1t was after night when he came
there; & his visit n, was i,na very G s short % one.
O'Clock suppose.
Q. Immediately after he left did you go to a mas
q. How late did you stayP A. stayed until about
the time OF supper, suppose; 1t was towards mid
O. How long after Burleigh left was 1t before Won
left to go to the ballf A. went there think about
hafpast nine O'Clock
tween the time that Burleigh ieft and the time you
started for the balls A. Yes.
2: whoY A.. little girl next door was going
with little daughter a maeuupradp ba md
Q. You did not discuss the matter with thems A.
Q. Did you discuss it with anybody after you left
Burleighs A. did not.
q. Did you discuss 1t at the balls A. / did not.
q. A. masquerade ball is not good place for the
contemplation Of high ministerial duties is it A.
O. You didn't contemplate your ofrlcial thereY A.
went there solely to take charge Of my little girl.
Q: And to throw OF carer A: No, sir, not for any
such purpose; ! had promised my daughter to go
Q. And when you went home that night you vent
o. Sef HOW % IouG SaS yoa been nm the nov, morr,nr
before the Marsha's Gamer A. generally rise about
seven, except when 90 to market Qaughter); get
q. How early did you get up that morninqY Al
may have nay got pp s", about seven seven . o'clock;
q. Before you had breakfasted9 A. Yes.
Y. Did you consult with anybody on this question
the Marshal Gamer A. did not.
q. The last that you told anybody on this question
You ware going to use force and then almost imme
diately you went to q ball; and after the ball you
went TO bed; and you got up the next morning and
saw nobody until the Marshs came. Then why did
YOU change your mind from your solemn determine
ton 10 use forceS A. changed after made use OF
that expression TO Burleigh. I suppose very soon
after.
z. When9 A. do not know.
2. When do you ever remember OF having changed
your mindf A. do not know.
x what IL Is your first remembrance OF having
dlnerent purposeY A. do not know II you ask me
as 10 the point OF time
Mr.. BurIER-I am not asking you as 10 the point of
tlme; you have now different purpose In your
mindS A. have.
q. Then YOU must have come to that purpose some
.llne' When did you first have this change Of pur-
pose pose IN your mndf A. ] certainly changed before
was arrested at eight O'Clock.
VI now DO you FIX that for certainty A.
because on the 22d had determined not TO use
q What time on the 22dS A. Undoubtedly before
,sa was arrested may have conned the matter over