The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1868-04-11

dent soon afterwards. - :
Mr.. Butler objected TO the question
What was the conversation?
Witness then stated that on the
| morning OF February 21st, he received
a note from the private secretary or the
President asking him to come to the
White House; he went and the Presi.
dent handed him paper, being a letter
TO Stanton, and his own letter O
authority; never saw the papers before
had no hand in preparing them; the
President said, 81 intend to support the
Constitution and law and Iexpect you
TO do the same;" witness went to the
! War Department with General Will
liams and demanded possession: Mr..
Stanton asked If time would be grant.
ed him to remove his papers: General
Grant was present; showed him my ap-
pointment as Secretary Gd interim; wit
ness then retired to his room; the same
day he received letter from Mr.. Stan
ton forbidding him to issueany Or
ders as Secretary of War dd interim:
which letter the witness proceeded to
read.
Mr.. Stanbery-What was said in the
| conversation between you and the
President subsequently, on Sunday2
Mr.. Butler objected and argued at
some length that conversation relating
to the act could not be put in evidence
If they occurred subsequent to the com
mission.
Mr.. Stanbery replied. contending
that 1t was clearly admissible asIbearing
on the charge of conspiracy, and calling
attention to the fact that the Managers
had introduced a large amount of testi-
mony about a conversation held long
after date of the questions: they had
put In as evidence what General
Thomas had said when not on oath,
and a JoTttori. His evidence now should
be admissible.
Mr.. Butler rejoined, challenging the
production of legal authorities to prove
that what one conspirator had said to
another after an act was committed,
could be put in evidence in his favor;
although the confessions of criminal
could always be used against him. He
expressed the belief that the remarks
about supporting the Constitution and
Laws were prearranged and mRnufac-
tured for effect.
Mr.. EvRrts reminded him that here
say evidence of what General Thomas
said was introduced on pledge that the
President would be convicted with 1t.
Now the Presidents counsel propose to
show from General Thomas himself
the Intentions of the President.
Mr.. Bingham's suggestions to the
question objected to was reduced to
writing and read by the Secretary. He
then argued in support of the Objec.
ton. Hedenled that the Managers had
introduced hearsay evidence. The de-
clarations of the so-called conspiratora
were primary evidence. He said it was
trl1ing with justice, and an attempt to
introduce utterances of an accused
person in his own behalf
Tho Chief Justice then submitted to
the Senate the question of submitting
Thomas testimony in regard to the
| conversation T1yhSRt1 No6 IN,
AZ; nays, 10; so the evidence was ad-
mitted.
Witness stated to the President that
he Ind delivered the communication to
MIR. Stanton, and told him what an
swer he made. The President said to
him, very we'll, go on and take posses,
sion and obey the orders. This was all
that occurred; did not see the President
again that evening: next morning wit
ness WAS arrested; went with the Mar,
shall to the White House and told the
| President he was III custody, and or
whnt charge; the President replied
| very we'll, that is just where / want 1t
In court; witness was left at his hOte
on giving bail; he asked Judge Cartier
II he was in the meantime suspended
from his functions; the Judge replied
IN the negative, and explained the eI
feet OF giving bail; witness then nara
4 ted the circumstances and conversation
which occurred after he went to thu
War Office the same morning after tn
members of Congress, who witnessed
the interview with Stanton, retired
Thomas said to Stanton, the next tim
that you have me arrested do i
after breakfast; 1 have had nothing thi
morning to eat or drink. daughter.
Mr.. Stanton, in playful manner, RAJ
his hand through witness hair, "Well
think General we have little some
thing here" whereupon Gen. ShrlVe
produced bottle. And Mr.. StantO
divided its contents, about u spoonful
into two parts and they took drini
together; subsequently some full bot
ties were brought, and this was all til
force used that day. (Great Laughter
Mr.. Stanbery asked IL the Presiden
had ever directed him to use force q
threats to obtain possession OF the Wa
Department? H5H
Objection was made, argued b
Messrs. Butler and EvRrts, without d
vision.
The Senate allowed the question t
be put, and Gen. Thomas replied in tn
negative. When questioned as to hi
J conversation with Mr.. Burliegh, h
said he never invited him to come t
his Office: had said to him or Wilkinson
that he would call on Gen. Grant O
} kick the doors down; knows nothing
whatever about Karzner; supposes b
may have seen him four years age
when he was i'll at home; Karzner in
troduced himself as an old acquaint
} ance; and took him by the hand whtl
J he made the remark several times re
peated, about Delaware having he
eyes upon him CThomas.) Karzner theI
asked him when he was going to kicl
that fellow out, and he adopted Karz
ner's words, and said he would do it il
a few days; never thought about kick
ing Mr.. Stanton out. ,s.5-sfst.
Cross EEdnItIntion-From March 20;
to February Is, '6S, did not perform
the office duties of Adjutant General
had no intfmation before the 18th o
February that the President wished tt
make him Secretary of War Gd interim
swore by mistake to the contrary WheL
examined by the House Committee
but corrected his evidence afterwards
he sWore then he had received an inti
nation to that effect about two weeks
previously from Col. Moore; told thC
President at the time of receiving his
appointment he would obey the order
did not expect to receive any particular
order; when he received the note from
Col. Moore, February 1st, he did moi
know what the President wanted him
for; after returning from the War De,
partment did not tell the President thai
Stanton was not going to give up the
office, or such was witnesses opinion
did not show him Stanton's letter; did
not think II necessary. What he said
to Mr.. Wilkinson about applying Il
Gen. Grant, was only boasting. Whai
he said to Mr.. Burleigh about breaking
down the doors, he felt inclined to dC
SO, but changed his mind on this poInt
before he was arrested. His arrest die
not produce the, change; his intent tC
use force was In reverse of the Presi
dents order; never expressed to tbs
President his belief that he could NOT
obtain possession without force; sug
geSted TO the President that the bes