The New York herald., 1868-04-21


And thus they decline to consider the claims which
the American government has made in behalf OF its
ling them to do Il We propose oppose By ii this Sli iand t Is
| the gst of the measnre) to compel European ps.a
matter FOR us and for them. and. for one, have
doubtnot the least in the world-that when foreign
governments are required 70 decide on lnis h
they VIII decide with justicetO themselves anu WIN
justice to us But SO long as we allow the matter 70
be postponed by them, long will DC Pos.ponsu;
and SO long our ctzenswill be exposed !" Injury anu
Mr.. ScoFIELD asked Mr. Banks whether II was as not not
United States To arrest travellers and whether that
was not the policy lately nangurafed by iueodorus
NE RANxs said that. so far as he understood the
Abyssnian question, Theodore had not undertaken
se'Ie seHosEIp s,s said he had undertaken to arrest
Mr. BASxs-what he proposes he proposes in his
own way What we propose In this bill Is the action
of the general government and II the gentleman
from Pennsylvania thinks there VIII be no more con-
ment than for action OF King Theodore in refer
ence to the affairs OF his dominion, cannot expect
| Mr. SCHoFIELp-What I saiG in regard to King
| Theodore merely by way OF comment. My ques-
whether he proposes TO accomplish this result in any
other way than by authorizing the President OF the
| United States TO arrest travellersY
Mr. BANKs-lt is proposed to make a declaration
of the rights OF the government and to take such
action as shall compel foreign governments to con-
Mr.. SCuoFIELD-By arresting travelers9 Is that
the only wayy tut1 9
Mr.. BANKs--No, sir. We do not propose to arrest
any travellers Ibid not use the word travellers. It
s not used in the bill. 1t does not properly
into the discussion 1t does not propose that any
body shall be arrested; it proposes that the govern
ment Of this country shall assert its power to take
sea oomue On he oe@n maer n way wh aH
action ON the subject with view. to
the settlement Of the question between them
and US. And whenever this government shall take
action there will be occasion for arrest. Mr. Web
ster, in one OF his ablest despatches-a despatch
the greatest honor to his pen and to his great INTEL
lect presented in the clearest manner the necessity
| and England The English government paid no re-
gard to whatever. never considered 1t so far as
H. was rren Sy aord 70
| any consideration from that government. The Eng
lish government claims IL to be domestic question,
with which we have nothing to do, and SO long as we
| allow that claim SO long the English government
| win exercise the power to which refer. do not
speak Of England as an exception on this question;
| but only spoke Of England as an instance. There
is pending there change Of Ministry. This ends oil
| domestic convusion there OF very serious nature
which threatens not only the administration but per-
haps, the government OF the country England has
traditions this question which she has maintained
yielded them, and ask any member II he expects
that tine government Of the United States can cail
| upon the administration OF the English government
at this time to recognize the American claim
and If he expects on that call to receive a
ceive an acquiescence In it Sir the English admin
istraton which should do that which we claim to be
III, l
| would be an abandonment of what England has
claimed through all her administrations In reference
stance and in the secoad n1r In Teon wbers i se
| ton over her subjects who have left the country
| We are bound, If we expect England or any other
country To act the question, to present In
| form that they cannot disregard it or refuse to
consider 1t; and said before, II they consider it
to our people, because our claim Is Of
such character that it cannot be denied II brought
| into consideration between government ana
| foreign governments but 20 long AZ leave them
TO decide IL for themselves alone 80 long must
| expectis It evaded Every foreign government has
tive claim for action on their part In order to justify
the claim we make. we cannot expect them to yield
1t cannot be averted. Now IN what way can 1t be
averted2 Look at the language OF the amendment
States were arrested native born or naturalized it is
to be considered evidence Of unfrcndly dispos
ton. do not want any share In such legislation
| as that Here are six or eight millions OF people
Mr.. SPALDING desired to ask q question Of the
desired to know whether this great question had
| been adjusted between the American government
| and the government Of the North German Con-
federacy In manner satisfactory to the American
| pe0peY
Mr.. Eliot said he should like to know from his
colleague whether In reference 10 the amendment he
tMr. Banks) represented the judgment Of the Com
mittee Foreign AfairsY
1 Mr. BANKS said he did, and he understood the
opinion of the committee 10 be unanimous on the
subject:
Mr. ELIOT begged leave TO say that he differed from
his colleague In that respect.
Mr.. BANKs-we have had many deliberations on
this question: and understand that every proposi-
ton which has been presented by the chairman OF
that committee has had the unanimous consent Of
the committee, and take upon myself to say with
rexsnn M IN M 'h Sa %
subject which was not with the unanimous approval
OF the committee. ! have stated before that have
never sought even TO impress upon the committee my
own views, much less to control the committee, and
whatever have reported have reported with the
,fxnnn fnf ttsn
league, Mr.. Eliot look for moment ut his propo-
ston, "such delay and refusal shall be regarded as
| the continuance OF friendly reations.n Now SIR l
undertake to that there are twenty millions OF the
travel with the impunity the citizens Of other States
possess, whenever there are questions pending
between us ,sn and foreign, foreign eoyernmenis hks
without the necessity OF charging upon citizens
the actual commission Of any crime The claim Of
these governments to Jurisdiction ia Of such charac
ter as to cover the whole ground. do not know but
that may state II, In the Judgment Of the members
OF the Honse, too strong But whether there be ave
million, one million, thousand, or only one
man In this country 80 situated 1t is too much TO say
bring the matter to negotiation has been without any
Mr.. ELIOT asked Mr. Banks to yield the noor for
| Mr.. BANrs said he would yield the noor to his col
| M. EfiorNI will try and use that liberal allow.
axce as well as may. II is charged, In the first
place. by the gentleman who has reported this bill,
that the amendment which have offered, and which
| indicated some time ago, Ia which substan-
tally repeals the enacting clause OF the bill Now,
have better opinion OF the bill reported by the gen.
| tenan from the Committee CT Ways and Means
than he seems TO have or It himself.
| In my judgmentthe amendment which offered win
make his bill sensible and effective instead OF
bill which, II shall have effect at all, VIII probably
| involve us in war before the proper time shall
| arrive. The gentleman from Massachusetts, is not
the only one here who feels q desire that all proper
| legislation should be had 70 protect the rights OF
citizens OF the United states travelling abroad; but
differ from him IN supposing that the best way TO do
that s 70 give the President OF the United States the
| arbitrary power, In case information comes here
OF an arrest abroad and In that arrest shall not
| be- suspended within proper time, himself 10 select
such man or men within the United States he may
| choose, and TO incarcerate them, whether that
| man hO a minister from broad. whether