The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-04-18

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and proprety. wish to know whether 1t be right
for any Senator to defend the Secretary OF the Trea
sury against the attacks here made or whether our
mouths closed while these attacks are made; and
II not proper and right for Senator whether 1t Is
the right OF the Managers to make the attack upon
him.
The CHIEF JUsTIcE-An amendment can be made
to the resolution proposed by the Senator from Con-
neccut Mr. Ferry. If the Senator thinks it proper
the Senate can retire for consultation. II Senator
makes that motion the Chair thinks 1t proper that
the honorable Manager should be heard in ex-
PLANTATION.
Mr.. BuTLER-I wish to say that did not read
them because thought them voluminous / had
them in my hand, and made them part Of my ar
gument read the conclusions and differences TO be
drawn from them, and thought it was due to myself
and the Senate that they should be put exactly as
they were and therefore Incorporated them in the
GLOBE. To the remarks Of the honorable Senator mr.
Hendrcks), simply say that made no attack upon
the Secretary OF the Treasury. said nothing Of him.
cussed; but dealt with the acts as the acts of the
Executive simply: Whenever called upon can
The CHIEF JUSTICE stated the question.
Senator ANTHONY-I understood the Senator from
Indiana Mr. Hendricks to ask II under the rules he
could be permitted to make defence Of the Secre-
tary OF the Treasury
The CHIEF JUsTICE-The rules positively prohibit
debate.
senator ANTHoNY-By unanimous consent it might
be made.
Some senator objected. The order was then adopted
with but few dissenting voices.
TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM W. ARMSTRONG
VIM. w. Armstrong was sworn and examined by
Mr.. CURTIS.
O. Where do you residep A. At Cleveland, Ohio
Senator DRAKE called the attention Of the Chief
Justice to the impossbility on his side of the cham
Mr. EvARTs suggested that there was not SO much
silence In the chamber as there might be and that
they must take witnesses with such natural powers
The CHIEF JUSTICE remarked that conversation was
going on at the back Of the Senators and that must
The examination of the witness was resumed.
O. What is your occupation or ouslnessf A. am
one OF the editors and proprietors OF the Cleveland
O. Were you at Cleveland at the time of the visit
made to that city by President Johnson in the sum-
O. Were you present at the formal reception Of the
| President by any committee or body OF mena A.
| was.
| Q. State by whom he was received and where9 A.
The President and his party arrived about hafpast
eight O'Clock In the evening and were escorted to the
| Kennard House. After taking his supper the Pres-
dent was escorted to the balcony Of the Ken
nard House. and there he was formally welcomed to
the city of Cleveland, in behalf of the municipal
thorties and citizens, by the President Of the City
| Council
| Q. Did the President respond to that address of
| welcomeS A. He did.
O. What was the situation of that balcony in refer
State, also, whether there was not large crowd of
persons PRESENT. A. There very large crowd
of persons present. There was crowd of persons
O. How did it proceedG A. After the President
had begun to respond for few moments there were
no Interruptions and judged from what the Pres-
dent said that he intended
Mr.. BUTLER-Excuse me-stop moment. OBJ
iect to what the witness suppOses was the Presi-
dents intentions.
Mr.. CURTIS TO the witness)-From what you heard
and saw was the President in the act Of making
assembly
rupted by the crOwdY Describe how the affair pro-
ceeded. A: The President commenced his speech
by saying he did not intend to make O speech.
think, to the best OF my recollection, he had come
there simply to make the acquaintance Of the people
stance Of the first paragraph OF his speech. lie
apoogized for the non-appearancc of General Grant
Q. How did he proceedP Was it a part Of his adj
dress, or was 1t in response to the calls made upon
him by the people9 Describe. A. did not hear all
Q. Did you hear calls made upon him from the
crowd and nerruptionsa A. did-quite q number
Q. From what you saw and heard the President
say, and from all that occurred was the President
beganf A. That cannot say.
q, Can you say whether the interruption and
calls upon the President were responded to by his
O. Were the Interruptions kept up during the con-
tin1ance OF the address or was he allowed to pro-
very nearly to the conclusion Of the Presidents
@. What was the character of the crowd-orderly
dsOrderlyp A. The large majority OF the crowd
was orderly; as to the rest there was good deal Of
disorder
q Was that disorder confined to one or two per-
sons or did 1t affect enough to give character to the
how many were engaged in the Interruptions.
Characterization by Mr.. BUTLER:-
Q. Was Mr. +. w. Peton, President Of the City
Council, PRESENT. A. believe 80.
q. Was not his address the balcony 10 the Presi
a S he s
come, then step forward TO address the multitudef
A. believe that after Mr.. PeltOn's address several Of
the distinguished gentlemen who accompanied the
party were presented and then, In response TO the
calls Of the people, the President presented himself,
O. Would you say that this was correct or an in.
correct report:-"At about ten O'Clock, the supper
being over the party retired to the balcony, where
the President was formally welcomed oy MT f. W;
&c. Would that be about the substances A. That
would be about the substance.
Mr.. BUTLER continued to read-'Then the Presi-
dent and several members Of the party appeared at
the front OF the balcony and were introduced to the
streets became most boisterous and sometimes bitter
and sarcastic"
Presidents speech until after he had proceeded i've
Mr.. BUrLER-But whenever they did come would
that be a fair representation Of thems
Witness-To some extent.
Mr.. BUTLER continuing to readl-"They listened
Completely drowned the Presidents voice with yo.
ciferations.n Is that soS
Wtness-That Ia 30
sentation was made and calls were made for the
President to appear and he spoke as follows--I will
read the first part Of that specch:-
Fellow Chzens-It 10 not for the purpose OF making
speech that appear before you. aware OF the
great curiosity which prevails to strangers who
nooriety and distinction In the country large
number Of you desire TO see General Grant hear
he has to ssy. "a voice-Three cheers for 6rant.)
@. Was not that the first interrupuonf A. I be-
heve
Q. Was there any interruption after that until he
spoke OF stephen A. Douglas, and was not that sim
ply the interruption OF applausef A. There were
three cheers given, believe, for stephen A. Douglass
then he went on without interruption until this
phrase came int come before you an American
citizen simply, and not as the Chief Magistrate,
clothed in the insignia and paraphernalia OF state
being an inhabitant OF State in this Union know
1t has been said that was an alen.n Then came in
LAUGHTER