The Hawaiian gazette., 1868-06-24

Mr.. A. r. Judd asked the Attorney-G General
whether be was ready to report on his resolu-
ton in regard to several sections Of the Civil
Code in regard TO the sale Of ava o.
His Ex. S. II. Phillips said that the law was
not in force as it should be, that a good deal
Of laxity was observable. He had given in
struction to the Police to see that It's provis-
ions were more strictly carried out.
ORDER or THE DAY.-Rules suspended and
Mr.. Koakanu introduced resolution that tho
members be paid twenty dollars each, for ak
penses home. Resolution tabled
On motion Of Mr. Wilder, the rules were
suspended and his resolution to amend the
Constitution, by dividing the Assembly into
two chambers, was taken up. Mr.. Wilder
moved to engross the resolution.
Mr.. A. +. Judd thought the question Of
| great Importance. The experience Of liberty
was. that liberty was fostered by their practice
of having two Houses. In the early days Of
the United States. some statesmen advised but
one House, as otherwise, the form Of govern
ment would be too much like England. But
the graver, truer impulses Of the people de-
cided for two Houses, and never had voice
been raised against the system. He was not
afraid to sit with the Mobiles and Ministers,
but the voice Of each chamber would bs
fewer if they were seperate, but If the Houses
were to sit apart he should favor having the
Ministers sit with the Representatives, but
have no vote; they were not Mobiles nor Rep
resentatiyes. He had no doubt that in this
session bills had passed that would not have
passed if the Mobiles and Representatives sat
separately. With all respect for the Mobiles
and Ministers, he sincerely hoped that the en-
suing Assembly would change this section Of
the Constitution.
Mr.. Nahaku said thai he did not think that
This ebo..i1 H. Ii L.
governments of other countries. We could
manage our own ssairs without troubling our
selves about Others The Representatives were
not kept from speaking. His mouth had not
been shut as all could see now. The resolu-
.ion was unconstitutional, and he should vote
against its passage
Mr.. Koakanu said that the resolution was a
very hard one. He explained his views at
great length, and concluded by saying that be
should vote for indefinitely postponing the
resolution.
poke to explain his reason for bringing in the
resolution.
Mr.. Wilder said he had given his reasons
the other day, which he reiterated.
Mr.. Hopu supported indefinite postpone
ment. The system proposed by Mr.. Wilder
had been tried when the Government started
as q constitutional one, and II had failed.
Mr.. Wilder amended the resolution so that
the Houses should not sit separately bat vote
separately.
Mr.. Hitchcock said the matter was not at
present to be made law, but merely to get at
the opinion Of the House. He should vote
for two separate Houses-not IN vote ssns-
rately only. He was here IN 1882 he wos,la
grant that business had been more expeditious
this session. but the old method was moi a
failure. Il might be more ineonvenient hvt
the greater political liberty. involved In hav-
ing two Chambers. was what he aaxocss@5
There were s,ree estates in the KINGDOM a
mineling Of them was against the besf Interests
of a free constitutional form Of Government-
The estates should be separate. act freely. and
vote without eonstraint.
Mr.. Lyons said tbat n had hso, ,,~..a ~.
sitting together FASTENED business Tbst .r.,,-
ment would carry us baek to desnot;c t;,rss
when the entire mower was wasted in ona rsr,
son. Perhaps Hawaiians had A reason for
wishing TO Keep the two houses tocafber INT
many foreigners had settled In the country
it was necessary TO Get their aid to b.v. tha,,
take the oath Of Allegiance and b.lD sussai,
the dignity and honor of the Goyernmant
He urged his Hawaiian friends To well consiiier
this question. The tendency among them NJ
present was to center the entire mower In the
King. Let them be careful. let them keen
their liberties pure and untrammelled. n tha
matter was allowed 10 20 bv. and tbe nover III
glided gradually into the hands Of the King
and the upper classes. the life of the nation
would be surely shortened, and thev would
soon fade away from the earth.
Mr.. Hopu said that he had at last arrived At
the true idea of the resolution. There we're
foreigners who did not like the present Consti-
tuition. II was time TO look and Zee II tber.
we're foreigners in the country who wish 20
overturn the Constitution and return 10 the
old Constitution. When these foreigners
showed good reason for amending the Consti-
tuition, he would vote for the resolution. As
for himself be did not see but that the present
system of legislation was succe ssful and a
good one. He should vote for indefinite most
ponement. ..
Mr.. Wilder said that If a yerv simple and
easy form Of Government was desired. the
King could tell these men to assemble and m
a week they could make all the laws. There
was not government on the face Of the earth
that was not a despOtism where the Represen-
tatives did not hold the control of the publfe
funds. He was surprised that the member
for Hama spoke so Of foreigners. He deled
the member 10 point out one foreign member
who had voted against the best Interests of
the nation. An amendment was not overturn-
ing the Constitution. Tn the s0fh art;eis M.
Majesty had provided for amenaments. The
56th article had been amended bv this Assem-
bly-did we endeavor to oyerturn the consti-
tuition? In the Subsidy Bill the voice Of The
people had been against the debt Of sir. .0o0
hat would be incurred bv its MASSAGE nj.
dea in this matter was for The good of fhe
people. and them onlv Wbarevar ,hs .v.ts-,.
If uniting the two estates had been tr;sd 4,
lad been discarded. :
Mr.. Bisbop favorad the .do,.,;o, 81 a..
The question Of two senarats
Houses had besn hone ~ .,,'.s.,,;sp a
ince the new CONSTITUTION had besn ~-sr,.5
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