The workingman's advocate. [volume] (Chicago [Ill.]) 1864-1877, 1868-03-21


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~ Risss hsn- sir EDauHD wAIKrn KAAD. Bart.
sir DAxrsI eoecH, Bart. MP.
HuRMAI MsaEvALs, Esq O. B.
yAHss Boosa. ESQ, C,k y .s.ss
THOMAS HeeHss MD, p.
RAansIeK HAAElsoz. Esa.
Mr.. Rosssr APPLEoARfH examined.
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Slr, =. WI. Head-May ask whether that
succesdeds: did chat state Of things la9tf y
do not think that IL had an opportunity Of
succeeding, because a. seen a. this got into
the handsof the public the masters, through
the overwhelming public feeling against the
discharge-note, withdrew it.
Mr.. Hughes--You do not know whether
the men are working for themselves MO;
| think they are not. Whether the en-
pioVers Contemplate by some other means
carrying out the object that was aimed ut by
the discharge-note cannot say, bot have
here document in regard to which it occurs
to me that the policy indicated in II would
hare just the same effect, that Is to say, pre-
ventlng men getting employment In other
towns II the general builders association
had the influence to prevent them. That
4 Ocument is headed, ssGeneral Buildsry
A; ssociatses. Head Offices, SO Oannoa Street,
rmingham. The ioneFs' strike, Manches-
ter. Dear sir,-You are respectfully re-
quested to attend q meeting Of the master
Iolners aud builders Of the towns sLrrouDd-
ing Manchester, ut the Cia5 noe Hotel,
Spring Gardens, Manchester, oa Monday the
30 Of Septembe.s At 'ciock, p. m, TO take
what steps may be thougbt necessary % pre-
vent the men on strike gesting employment
IN other towns. Your attendance il urgently
rec uested. A. MAULT, SscretAry." do
not know whether 1t ia the object Of tbs
master builders association to carry out
what was intended by the dischsrge IN
secret manner by preventing men getting
employment in other towns, but can oniy
say that such course II psrseyered in viii
produce sad results. ias-ra,F s7Ha H-
SIR d. Gooch-Did NOT what you have
been reading follow upon the system which
the men adopted against the masters surely
the men were using quite rs strong measures
against t.. masters with regard to removing
men from the one town to the other, aud the
masters have only done this in self-de-
fence, have they botf-I have gone back rs
FAR IS Is yssrs in one case, and % years 10
the other, to show that there was no special
cause FOR anything in the shape Of the dis
charge nols being issued, therefore you will
see that in some cases these things are with
out the men taking any measures.
| 1t was not very long ago then thar the dis
charge-note was issued f-It was in the be-
/ ginning Of 1855. s.s rfgt ..
Mr.. Hughes to Mr.. Aanlt--1 should like
to ask you whether you admit that document
Which Mr.. Applegarth has just read Yes,
that was issued in 1856.
/ Sir D. Gocch to witness-Are not these
all defensive measures in the last two years
We may assume the same position exactly II
that argument is used.
\ Did not that action rise out Of the pres
sure Of the men against the masters f-I will
SUN 1t up in this way there is no act Of OPP
preston or tyranny land that 10 word
have great objection to- that was ever
perpetrasea by the mes, apart from violence
anu opposition to machinery (which put
out Of Court entirely, becsCse MI sensible
men either in unions or out Of them mI st
condemn all such proceedings, as such things
are altogether exceptionaD. bat what they
| can find similar cases on the part OF the
masters, and therefore, the argument Of
''defence" would apply with equal force 70
I the men as to the employers. IN
Mr.. Roebuck-After or before the men
had done it,-Speaking generally, what the
men have done, they had cause for.
Were these acts Of tyranny perpetrAted by
the masters after or before cases Of tyranny
on the part OF the men Both before and
after.
Sir D. Gooch-The question is where the
masters have refused to grant arbitration p
| have given many instances-one at Tor
quay.
NJ. Mault-Fn this case which Mr.. Apple
v4rth has brought forward the Manch ester
masters offered the Manchester men arbilra-
ton and the Manchester men refused and
struck work The Manchester masters then
attempted to get other men to fll the places
OF the men who had struck, but the men
who bad struck picketted the whole o. the
shops. Then the Manchester masters
thought thaa IL the war was to be carried
on against them BY that system, It was only
fair and right that they should endearor to
help the men who bad struck upon the funds
of the union. M ..s a. -.-sl
Witness--And to that you will be kind
enough to add that in 1857 there was dis
pute between the joiners and the employers
in Manchester. The men placed e~afidence
in the words OF the masters that would
deal fairly with them ut the boar1 Of arbi-
tration; they arbitrated, and the men never
got single point bat lost everything, but
In toe last dispute which took place in Man
chester taere we're Communications Certain
ly one communication) between the masters
and the men, u which the men were led to
beiievs that they would have that without
striking for which thev had to strike; il %,
upon carefully balancing the weight Of syi-
dence on both sides, believe you will fad
that the men did not refuse TO arbitrate with
out some cause, nor did the masters much
desire il. Tor Ii was Crly named At one meet
ing. From several Of Mr.. ManlHs answers il
may be inferred that nothing harsh vas
done BY the masters, save ia defence. Nov
II We were to set up tnat position we could
use the same aegament entirely. But shat
| want to do is. to give the Commissioners
facts 70 show what really is done, and leave
them to draw their o6n inference. whilst
the men do adopt whst they consideg q, pro-
per course TO bring strike to suocessful
issues the n astsrs do the same thing. / hold
couple Of black lists in my hand where the
names Of several members Of our society on
account Of strike n SoarbofouRh figure
ccnsplou0uslyt the m IN did all thsy could
in 2 fair way 70 prss snt the strike, bat the
ssffke took plscs and their names xfs sent
ssrud In thcss lists 10 prevent them gsttiug
worl. IN other towns Nj. Mault when asked
II ever he knew Q man discharged fer BE-
hnytng " I society snswerea, NcsYf x.n
odlysay that my khowiedge sxteadsga iitsls
beyosd that, In the Grit place Y win msas
ton : czse q Falmouth We had q strike
thsf% and on Nay The 90th, 1886, tbis stsss-
mem, wbirh i "a Independent one; snd
neither the mems statsmcnt nor mine, Ap.
petred Ia the Falmouth and Psnryn West.
" Times We have much pie4sufe IN BE-
tng sbic % apnounos the fermihstion q ths
strike Of ttio operatives Of fhe buiIdips
taaes which has been ip existenSe h, the
| two towns for sosI,e ten = vasf e ISrsI s~.ss.-