The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-10-27

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that description u fair or not. ask you gentlemen
something more. when had the honor Of address,
them the state Of the case, in very few and brief
words, In respect to the public expenditure, weut
ea 81 e ask n oar
our honorable aud respected opponents, Mr.. Nross
and Mr. Turner what they thought Of the ma ~ rs
/ turn them to Parliament to support the men by
| whom this augmentation has been brought ABOUT.
1 - There Is another question when cannot 20
overlooked-i mean the question OF the irish church.
cheersg ssD 20 On this opoS
Which | am o. confdent Is founded on fact
that the question respecting the Irish church AZ IL
stood during the last session, was really whether In
Ireland You would adopt proposal and our policy
under tie circumstances OF the country and have no
| church establishment or whether you would have
to point out that those who were responsible for the
| government OF Ireland agreed with us in the opn.
ions that we could not stand as We were and they
have proposed a plan against which we have pro-
| posed ours. Many of you. probably, and consider
able number OF the people who are Protestants, feel
opposed in conscience to the payment OF the grant to
| Maynooth College, and many who are Roman Catho-
hes may feel not less greved OF the payment OF the
OF f40 to the Presbyterans under the name OF
| Regium D0num. What ts1the meaning of these two
grans They are the buttresses OF the Irish nation
al Church; ,Meaf hsa ar the Irish Church s such
establishments ever have been founded and recon-
mended and Of all the feelings OF the country and,
ment OF the civilized world that, it Ia impossible
TO get tolerated except upon conditions; and there
has been to maintain and to multiply these grants
have called the buttresses OF the irish Church. But
II was felt that the Maynooth and the Regtum Do
mum were not enough and that there must be some
more OF these buttresses for the wall was weak,
and was beginning to bulge horribly outwards. so
buttress devised in the shape OF foundation Of
Roman Catholic university; and another buttress
mum. In the House Of Commons readSa letter.
written by the authority OF Lord Derby in the year
OF 1857 with respect to the increase OF the Regum
m w lnh n ani I'm nwfra MIN
sorry was too late to do anything that year. but
when the estimates for the next year were framed
| to mean that the prayer would be granted. 1 read
that letter In the House OF Commons from the first
Minister OF the Crown. The present Prime Minister
was done by the government OF Lord Derby. l
thought that rather odd-(a laugh)consderlng that
he was not merely member of Lord Derby's govern
ment, but that he was the leader OF the House of
Commons-the man without whom no Prime Minis
ter could possibly write such letter; and thought
it still more odd when read the address in the news
papers the other day, IN which / saw that the pre-
sent Prime Minister has oeen upon terms OF brothery
kindness with Lord Derby for The last twenty years.
they mad had but one common soul and spirit, one
thought and mind in public affairs; and so II ap-
may be turned about alternately as occasion serves.
CHEERS and laugher.l When Lord Derby has made
an inconvenient declaration, then indeed, we had
nothing to do with the government OF Lord Derby;
but when there Is no announcement declaration In the
case. and when 1t il known that the name Of Lord
Derby, OF whom from many points Of view can
speak with cordial respect-when 1t is known that
the OF Lord Derby is by far tho best name that
be presented TO the country at the approach OF
general eection-then, indeed, a complete amalga-
nation with Lord Derby appears to be effected and
you are invoked in his name to support the present
men, whether It BIO Lord Derby or Mr. Disraeli, Lord
any one else or Mr.: anybody else, that il not the
question In view. The question In view Is this. Are
we, these three Kingdoms OF her Majestys to be
united Kingdom or are we notY loud cheers) You
unite yOu and far force and the strong hand or
military power could unite you-you have been
united 4 you can i united Tor zoo years; the union
been source OF strength or security to
this country na has ana a al periods - been
civilized world. (Cneers.D Now, gentlemen, you are
the persons to whom 1t Is to be referred in the last
resort how long these matters TO be carried
DO you intend or do you not intend that our rea.
tons with Ireland shall continue much as they have
been9 ask you, the people OF England, be you con-
you like, do you think ii Is honorable to YOU
az civilized people or as a Christian
shall continue In this state 1t Is the strong
hand OF civil authority aud of armed force,
British connection. that preserves the peace in Ire
land. Cheers, lhis is the question you have 10
you viii be responsible. We have fairly raised 1t and
laid II before You might In other times have
se have aa Il ON ma %
OF Parliament but you can do 10 no longer. You
are about to create that House Of Parliament the
Judgment OF which VIII be al-powerul with respect
10 the settlement Of ths great question. The next
few weeks must determine whether for years to
come the present state Of things il or Ii not TO
tnue. what is the policy opposed 20 ourss should
like 20 know that 1 should like TO know II there is
a man out OF this room wao could answer that qles-
ton. We have right look for the answ in the ad
dress Of the Prime Minister five have had for months
aud months past one topic more Than another reter
ated beyond endurance 1t is that my conduct add
the conduct OF others has been mschievous beyond
measure because In our rabld desire for otilceaugh
ter)-we rushed az the IRISH Church without waiting
for the report OF the commission Who did you
fori The report OF The commission. We have been
asked "for the report OF the ten wise men who were
TO settle all tlese diiilcultes.n Well gentlemen
was content TO say that In my opinion the report OF
the commission could not possibly have anything to
do with the matter. (Cheers.l The report OF the
commission was report to consider how the irish
establishment should lie managed surprising II were
TO continue an establishment; but a. | wished n
should not continue an establishment livery naturally
wished not TO give commissioners the trouble OF
making any report at ALL CHEERS and Iaughter.) IL
il perfectly obvious that far the report OF the
mission could have no value. But how does The
matter stand on the other slider That Is very diff
ferent affair. They dld walt for a. and the report
has been published. Yet what IL the result The
Prime Minister publishes his address, which contains
outline or the policy on which the three Kingdoms
are to he governed and there IL not single refer
In bis address TO that report: he did not even
acknowledge the portentous abors by which the com
mgsioners have contrived TO produce huge mass OF
figures In the Blue Book Laupntcr.) AZ matter OF
commission, In order that the government might be
able To form some idea c what was required ON the
question OF the irish Church u now utterly exploded
(Cheefs.) have said and am bold and free 10 re-
peat, that am not q rcformer Of the Irish Church,
but al anti rcformer lCheers.l There ~ no use IN
reforming the irish Church; IN the Irish Church you
have body which, as regards the character OF Its
bishops its clergy ana It's laty, deserves ana has my
cordial respect. do not want to extinguish single
Irish bishop, but object 20 their living upon other
people, and am perfectly convinced that an ecclc
siastical body, as holy church, religious CON-
munon and "a spiritual body, when you have
once by your votes put them through the process OF
disestablshnent they will he happier, better and
more useful, and live nobler than they did be-
! fora tCheers.) We have made our appeal fairly,
openly In the face OF day to the people IN England 10
abolish tho Church OF Ireland establishment
with every consideration that equity give in the
arrangement OF the measures necessary for the exe
cutioIi OF our designs: to abolish along with IL every
other grant that Involves the State in the respon.
| siblliiy OF connection with any particular ~.
ligion, and TO establish no other church and
no other form OF religious teaching In Its place
after shall have done oil that equity and indul-
renee can require In winding up this great scheme
81 Motley. That, say, In the design which nave
| made before the country, ana which the country
dnao nOud chppre.l There A. q pfhcr