The New York herald., 1868-04-19
Mr.. BUTLER objected TO the question as inmate
rial, and II was excluded by the following vote:-

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/ Mr.. Sumner was present, but did not vote o
| Mr.. FERRY stated that Senator Drake had been
called away by illness in his family. oros..
Mr.. EvARTs, to Mr. Buter-You can oio'S'
After few moments consultation among mo- dsS tne
Managers, Mr.. BUTLER proceeded WIN 'n' ''0'''
| Q. You were asked If you were Secretary OF tne
Navy II you held it under regular comMlssGn' on ana
| yOu gave the date OF commission ~, a. IL; neS' sn'
@. You have had no Others A; NO, slr' 81 o.
N"3 Lorenzo Thomas-has he acted as member Of
the Cabinet down to to-day from the time he was
appointed A. He mas met s,,n or .ne an onSider
| Mr. EvARTs-I submit, Mr.. Chief Justice that this
is no crossexaminaton on any matter that the wit
n1sI Mr. B1rIER|I win waive it, won't have word
upon that SIR To witness:-NOw, believe you told
| us something was said between you and the Presi-
| dent about the movement Of troops; want to get
! little more accurately when that was in the first
place what day was it? A II was on the 22d day Of
q is there any doubt about thate A. None, sir.
| O. What time was it2 A. 1t was not far from
Q. understood you to fix that time OF day by
something that happened with the Attorney General;
what was 1t A. ! called on the President ON the
ed, about twelve O'Clock. The reception OF our
oicial business was from eleven to twelve O'Clock.
a little before twelve O'Clock. l suppose when
called on the President the Attorney General was
was made out. ...
Mr.. BUTLER nterrupting- mind about that
Witness, continuing1AMnd An the private secretary
he must go about twelve O'Clock, or had some ap-
pontment about twelve O'CLOCK and it had got to be
near that time.
Q. understood you to say he had some appoint
ment in the Supreme CourtS A. IwOuldn'tsay what
| it was
| Q. Didn't you say so yesterdays A. Perhaps in
ferred that 1t was.
| @. Didn't you SO testify yesterdays A. PerhapsI
Q: How did you remember to testify. on that point
| yesterday? A. presumed he had t6 go to the Su-
preme Court, as 1t was twelve O'Clock.
Q. Haven't you heard since yesterday that the
Supreme Court did not sit on Saturday, No. sir.
| Q. DO you know whether they sit on Saturdays or
@. Now, sir, did you learn that there were any
officers OF a regiment to meet General EmOry9 A.
| had heard of two or three things.
O. / am now speaking about the officers OF regi-
mentsY A. understand.
@. Any mores A. heard that the officers of regi
ments were required to meet General Emory at head
quarters on the morning of the 21st and that tile
officers called at headquarters.
Q. Did you learn whether it was to give them direc-
tions about keeping away from masquerade or
going to t2 (Laughter) A. | did not hear the
reason. heard the fact that they were called that
Q. What partyf A. party that was in G street
think or G street-a reception.
e. Now, sir, that was all the movements Of troops
you spoke or yesterday, was 1t not? A. don't recol
ect that spoke of that.
O. Had you any other in your mind but that yes.
they were not In connection with General Emory.
q. None communicated to you whatever might
have been in your mnd9 A. What do you mean by
that?
Q. No other communicated TO you, whatever might
have been IN your mind2 A. heard the War De.
partment was lighted up in an unusual manner: |
don't know that stated that to President Johnson
but that was an instance that had heard of the
evening before.
Q. And then the movement was to call the officers
OF one regiment to meet General Emory. How many
officers did you bear were calledS A. didn't hear
fhA l1anrn bAar
son and one or two OrderlieS had been to the
party requesting that any officers belonging to the
fllth regiment should repair forthwith to head.
Quarters. II was thought to be very unusual |
movement.
stated to the President about the movements OF
troopsS A. would not say that that was all.
O. Is 1t all you remember you didY A. won't be
sure whether stated to him the fact Of the lighting
up OF the War Department at night, or whether
alluded to the fact OF company or part Of CON-
pany.
Mr.. BuTLER-I am only asking you what YOU
stated, not what you did not state.
Mr.. EvARTs-Your question was whether that was
all he stated.
Mr.. BurLER-I am asking him not for what he
didn't W,,stl state but but, for % what nc ala state
Mr.. BUTLER-Well stop there.
Witness-Very wen. stated to him in relation to
cannot say. The I'D was to be Kept as u haf.holi.
day; 1t Is a half-hoday believe. The War Depart
of the law. The law is that the departments are TO
be kept open every day OF the year the Fourth
OF July and the 25tn OF December.
o. | am not asking your legal opinion. A. am
not stating Il legal opinion.
O. Is It a fact that you kept 1t as holiday a. We
did not keep il as holiday, such the Attn of July
q. How was it at the War Department. A. ui-
dcrstand that the War Department was closed ON
that day, but the law is
q. DO not want any comparison between the
Navy and the War Departments. only want the
fact that was closed on that day. Did you inquire
whether the officers called together to Inform
them that II was holiday? A. made no inquiry
on the subject further than to communicate to the
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EXAMINATION OF EDGAR b. wELLEs.
Edgar b. Welles was then sworn in behalf OF the
respondent and examined by MIR. EvARTs.
z. You are son Of Mr.. Secretary Welles? A. Yes,
sir.
q. Are you employed in that Departments A.
am chief clerk Of the Department.
q. paper showp.) Please look at this paper and say
If IL is blank form OF the Navy Agents commssionY
A. Yes, sir; the blank form newly issued.
q. DO you remember that on Friday, the 2lst of
February, your attention was drawn 10 some move
% ment or supposed movement Connected with the mil
q Al what hour oil the day was thatS A. 1t was
about five O'Clock.
attention. A. was attending small reception and
tne lady of the house inform d me
Mr. BUTLER-EXclise me, you need not tell what
the lady OF the house said.
Mr.. EvARrs--It does not detract from the truth of
the lady's statement.
MIR. BUTLER-As nothing but the truth is put In
evidence, we don't want TO know what she stated.
Mr.. EvARTs-The truth is that he came TO this
knowledge and he stated 1t.
Mr.. BUTLER-The answer to that is that 1t Is not
the proper way prove the truth Of the by put
ting in what the lady said TO this man. No matter
how he got the information, let him give 1t.
Mr. EvARTs-What information did you get?
MIR. BUTLER-No, sir what did he givey
Mr. EyARTS-I want TO prove that he gave the
same that he got.
Mr.. ByrLER-I VIII not object.
Witness-lt was that General Emory's son had
come there with message that certain officers who
were named should report at headquarters ifnmedi-
atc,y, ana also that he had sent his requesting
that certain officers the cavalry and artillery report
ut headquarters Immediately.
q. Alter this did you communicate this 10 your
fatncrY a. Yes sir.
q. ~ what time1 A. suppose about ten O'Clock.
z. The same EVENING" a. THAT same evening.
q. Were YOU sent on any message 10 the President
concerning thisg A. was, sir
z. by your latherY A. Yes, sir.
q. Did YOU goy A. | did, SIR
q. AT what hour in the EVENING" A. Shortly after
wards; couldn't give the time.