New-York tribune., 1868-04-03
GREAT BRITAIN.

COMMONS-rIIE IRISH CHURCH.
LONDON April Elm the House of Commons this
evening the adjourned debate on the Irish Church
was continued
Mr. Roebuck, member for Sheffield said he had
been oppssed 10 the Church establishment III Ireland
and be considered himself bound TO support
tho resolutions of Mr.. Gladstone; though at
the, same time he did not think that that
Church was the worst i'll Of Ireland nor did he con
slider its existence badge of serfdom for the Irish
people. The legal objections which had been made
to its abolition, he said, were absurd What Parlia-
ment mad given it could resume. lie hoped the Irish
clergy would be treated with consideration and that
if the Tories beaten this question: the LlDe-
rails, when in Office would meet. not shirk the issue
Mr. Joseph W. Henley, Member for Oxfordshire,
opposed the propositions of Mr.. Gladstone, and ex-
pressed the fear that the introduction of such rcsou
tiens would cause a revival of Fenianism.
Mr. Robert Lowe member for Calne, quoted sta
tstics to show that ont of 100 Of the population of
Ireland rs were Catholics were Presbyterians,
and IL belonged to the Irish Protestant
Church Establishment The latter Church
was alone aided by the Government,
though its congregations were made up of the
wealthicst classes of the community. The Irish peo
pie would be more than human il they could tamely
submit to this. Tho Tories claimed to be :" truly
liberal" Let them prove it. retire. The
Liberal party in the House had leader
whom they could trust they were sure
he would fulfill all his professions. Mr. Lowe
ridcued what he termed the legal quibbles and zig
zag conrse of the Ministers. Such line Of action
would destroy all confidence between the Executive
and Legislative department of the Government. Each
night the Ministry presented to the House "A new
phase OF decentralization, until all honest men were
disgustcd The Premier had carried inconsistency
and audacty to a hight which the House consulting
It's dignity could not tolerate topic solemn
that under discussion.
Mr. IIorsfall member Tor Liverpool, and Mr.. lie
Froy, member for Dublin University both spoke IN
support Of the Government. urging the adoption of
Lord Sianlrys resolution Tor a postpOnemGnt to the
next Parliament
Mr. George Ceye member from Hereford. opposed
the postponement Of question OF such pressing i'm
porance.
Sir John Gray. member from Kilkenny City. gave
full statistics of the wealth population, and reli
gious secs of Ireland and pointed out tho absurd
and dspropOrtiOned attitude which the Irish Church
establishment assumed in the light of these figures
lie urged the adoption Of Mr. Gadstones resolutions
m justice to Ireland
Mr.. Osborne. member FOR Nottingham, said he
should sustain the resolutions, but he feared the
reform proposed would take a long time.
SIR StaNOtu NOftncOtc rose III uclcnHt Oh lnc Obf
eminent lie said the resolutions before the House
were merely intended to furnish the Liberal party
with a rallyng cry and he stigmatized them
worthless. A less vital question should have been
chosen for such purpose He asserted that the Minis
try had been consistent throughout this discussion.
They had always said that meaSursc such rs were
proposed in regard to the Irish Church. prema-
ture Parliament should await the result of inyesti-
cations on the subject. The Government did not
question the competency. Of Parliament To
lcgslato in regard TO the status of the Irish Church
He concluded by expressing The hope that the House
would yet pause Tor the better consideration of the
problem before IT,
At II o'clock tonight the debate going on,
with the prospect of an unusually late adjournment
of the House.
THE NArURAIIzATIoS QUESTION.
I'm the House of Commons, on the goth Of
March, Mr. L. Forster 10 call the attention Of the
House 20 the effect OF the law regulating the allegiance Of
subjects OF Queen who have cmicratcd to foreign
countries and especially the United states of America
and 70 ask the Secretary OF state for Foreign Affairs
whether ho does think the time Is opporune for at
tempting arrive AT mutual understanding between
Her Macsty's Government and the Government OF the
United States respecting the right OF eXparaton SO lar
NJ he could make out ho SAID, there are Two KINDS ui
ihe Britis6 subject by statute law The British sub
icct by common law IS n person who IL born IN the
be- or what time they may have lived In the country
the British subjects by statute law are those affected
and any '"S George H.. which deciacd that all the
children and grandchildren OF British subjects
born OF the Queens domnions were entitled to the
privileges Of British subjects But there Is this df
terence & Det ~ british snbiects we claim from
the other unalterable allegiance. In France Prussia,
Austria aud Italy 1t is competent to subject by certain
acts TO dvcst himself OF his citizenship but m England.
the greatest emgran country IN the world no such right
ex,fs We not only clam glance, but profess
In XII
possibility, howcyx, OF acting up 10 such theory was
made manifest In tue late Amcncan war; and whcn1t -
cInemcred that 10y the OF 1850 there then in
America 25O0 persons who were by law subjects OF the
Queen. that of those 100000 were born III England pr
Ireland and that all had either become or were about To
become American citizens the question whether its
advisable for US to continue TO assert Jaw WHEN DAY
been abandoned by the rest OF Europe ana whlc sooner
or bring ms into conflict with the United satrs
fIJear hearl There not few in Amerlca-nOtably
the Fenans-wDo try to make t,s law worh , as d Da
but recently found subject OF emDaiihssieit & ,n
IN ireland when Warren, one OF the persons VINO TOOK
part In the Jacnei" expedition, claimed mixed jury
as an American citizen, and the claim was refused Oh e
ground OF his being BritlshbOrn subject The result
America on the subject. Hear, hearl Meetings the
clef promoters Of which were possibly fenlahs, were
got up the matter brought before Congress, ana
hil ntrocuced also true that threat that II
we persisted In the assertion or the claim system
of rprisas would be adopted, was ut once once secuted
by the whole OF the American people. Hear, near
lie would briefly refer to one or two objections lat may
position dealing with this Fenian conspiracy II IN
dcted aliens there would be the lsHt r, 10 Uei, h m
inconvenience In eases. But there are strong giOunuSIo
hc repcal of nm act passed long ago the time OF
Edward L. under circumstances much different from
our advanced civilizations; and the only Orcbe reason
arising from difference language does not apply to our
relations with the United states Of America The o9ec
ton that there would be the right TO claim protection
fom the Minister OF the United States not one OF real
weight practically. There is another point which pre-
sents more difficulty. British subject can DC uled LOT
AN act of treason committed abroad; an alien cannot ut
fhs IL a right that hardly worth cohendng Tor
There is likewise the broader objection that would De
10 sacken the principles which patriotism founded;
bnt we do now really sap the principle Of patriotism when
we allow men TO play and loose with their allegiance