The New York herald., 1868-03-29

to notice them cTT ..iIstramontane' Is an epi
thet to which different persons will attach different
Mear from Sir g; G. isa BoTye yssorp
tion. viii not. But I win take what is probably
the coarse and popular Of that epithet and VIII
In the charges which were made by tne memoer ior
Stroud understood the member for Str0ud u 70 say
was Influenced by Archbishop Murray approved
| everything" don't know whether the influence OF
aaeray Gentleman was secretary to the
| Lord Lieutenant tIr. Horsman.."He was dead
sse 5nas am going to make The right hon
/ orable gentleman went on to say that the moment
Cardinal Cullen took the reins everything wa: was
we had refusas OF the sacraments OF the Church TO
those who were the subjects OF education, and who
i clergy. Then came the influence OF the Ultramon-
tame clergy and It is to this clergy and particularly
| Commons to deliver up the education OF the Roman
Catholic youth OF Ireland. lHearl ! have not the
Ss is
ats Emt,encs IS o. optnon ins ne progress o. itos
Father question ,cntch ,cfn not asn cardinal
len sca1 be sorry 70 ask htn,se. (Hear, hear, and
aughter) Well, had not the honor Of q personal
Ts s one N It's
members, man never to be spoken OF by me but
with the greatest affection and admiration-I mean
Archbishop Murray which impressed me
almost aim. wit with sentiment Of reverence s9Ss:
OF afrairs SO long as the priesthood remained under
the influence OF Archbishop Murray; but the moment
Cardinal Cullen took the lead Ultramontane influence
was introduced. Then came the Synod OF .Thurles.
| Then came the denunciatons Of what the best Pro-
testant IN the world called the goddess colleges and
Bile gentleman stated the other night But what are
the facts OF the casef and II they are not facts snail
/ m daNd wa a y
| Of the Synod OF Thures, and was present there.
More than this, he the individual who at this
communicating and UltramOntane synod proposed
the very resolution which reprobated the institution
Of the goddess colleges. l''Nonn and Hear hear.'p
doubt that Archbishop Murray was present at the
Synod OF Thurcs, and took an active part In the
vote thai the colleges founded by Sir Robert Peel were
not entitled to the confidence Of the Roman Catholic
clergy These are indubitabe facts, and II So what
becomes OF the Ultramontane romance OF the
sir,. am Of opinion that there is but one
want. that has been 50 long complained OF
by the Roman Catholics-namey, that they
under the influence Of their own priesthood-and
that Is by the establishment Of a Roman Catholic
university. And want TO know on what grounds
OF justice-of which we hear so much-can such
proposition be refused we have just been told that
the oier we are making will not be accepted by the
worse for the Roman Catholic preates II they refuse
It," But how - such circumstance, II II occurs
consistent with the charge made by the right honora.
Die member for Calne, that We have taken this step
merely to obtain the support and sympathy OF the
Roman Catholic preatess And the right honorable
gentleman, In the same speech and In the same
BREATH accused us Of catering the prelates and told
US that they would spurn our offer. (Iear, hear.)
Sir, we take the course which we believe to be the
right course. II is very easy frame other schemes,
and nothing Is more easy than to devise new untyer
for revoutonizlng Trinity College, Dublin; but
Trinity College, Dublin, IL not very easy corpora
ton to manage IA laugh); and II you are to delay
n1 hu
Roman Catholic population until they have settled
their affairs with Trinity College, Dublin, until
why years and years will elapse without the Roman
Catholic population having those advantages. Well,
which the right honorable gentleman says prove that
we do not recognize the Importance Of the occasion
wnicn Is the risn crisis has been brought forward
Tor Birmingham supposed not as attempt to obtain
the support OF Cardinal Cullen. who, have doubt,
Will be faithful to those with whose politics he SYM
pathizes-ta augh)but because, as ministers OF the
crown, u was our duty to do our best to supply
want that has been felt BY considerable portion Of
her Matestys subjects. and because in doing so we
only followed the course which, when we sat on the
other side OF the house, we always expressed our
wish to pursue Well, then, we come to the second
measure which the right honorable gentleman has no
tced, relating to land; and must venture to observe
that those measures which now dignGed with the
title OF great policy brought forward in consequence
government would have brought forward In Par
lament II Fenanism had not existed Hear hear.l
Now, sir, the Established Church in Ireland |
is frankly admit il, not in the condition in which
should wish TO see it. The condition In which l |
should wish to see national Church is thisthat the
whole of the population OF the country should be in
communion with II CHEERS and laughter). That
would be perfect and complete national Church
lhear hearl. But In a land where complete tolera-
ton fortunately ourishes, that is idea Of Church
which viii probably not be realized Chear, hear
ablished Church which is not supported by the whole
OF the population OF the country, but by only part
Oft. Of Il; That would & sti be great advantages and
pressed than ths-that you should connect the prin
ciple OF religion with government II you do not con-
meet It with the principle OF religious government
you must reduce the power and degrade the character
ofRovernment ear). can only say that II once you di
vorce political authority from the principle of freligon
your government will become mere matter OF po-
lice. uiear II you admit that is wise TO connect
the principles Of religion with the government OF
men, the mind IL naturally brought to endowment
IL Is the practical mode OF carrying the system into
ligious principles which influence men. A Church,
an ecclesiastical endowment q Church, whatever
may be iis character do not mean TO use he ,rord
church merely connected ariM orr national
church, or srith he Roman Catholic church; bit I
use IN describing any body of,eligous men herring
against creduijtp ana against JrnaticisTn. Uiear,
hear.l | do not myself personally see how such
state or things can be carried on unless you adopt
the principle OF endowment. l shonld say parii-
cularly with respect 10 this country, because the
80 many subjects-educatcn, charity, reformation of
criminals, and other such matters which Will occur
to the right honorable genteman-which u seems
TO me utterly impossible that we could carry
into effect unless the State had at its com.
mand the active and dgDifcd cooperation Of
body like the clergy set aside for such noble
and spiritual purposes (hear, hear. The honorable
member for Birmingham contests this principle. In
o speech which he made the other night, and which
listened to with deep interest as always do-dt
least generality speaking (aughter-the great feature
OF that Speech which was most adroitly conciatory,
was TO contest the principle Of endowment. (Hear,
hear.) That Is his principle. The honorable member
says, 'The grievances OF Ireland on the carpet
for discussion at present; nv remedy Is prepared
and prompt: discndow the Church, and the whole
thing is setted.- Eut the argument IL not merely
that will settle the great grievance OF Ireand that
Is not the only why the honorable gentleman
recommends disendowment but II IL Also because
the endowment Is opposed TO the spirit OF the age.
That II was which commended itself 10 the attention
OF every person who heard those opinions; and II Is
wei that such opinions, or any opinions however
novel, should he brought forward by men OF emil
nence and Of cloquencc, ana not that they should be
m1nbled J1orn n back hedge, or brought forrard 6v
RobesIferTe or some such person, Dhen