New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1868-04-13
TIE TRIAL.

THE TRIAL.
After the usual formal opening, Mr. BlNG-
HAM. on behalf of the Managers moved that the Senate
so amend rule p as to allow such Of the Managers as
desire be hoard aud also snch Of the counsel Of the
President desire TO be heard TO speak the final
gument The Managers object TO the provision Of the rule
that the final argument shall be opened and closed by the
Managers Oh the part Of the House After romarks by
Senator'S EDMUNDS, BUCKALEW and SHERMAN, Scna
tor FRELINGHUYsEN moved that as many OF the Mana
gers and Presidents counsel be permitted to speak on The
final argument shall choose to do but both motQxs
went over under the rule, and Mr. sTANBERY put
GGN. THOMAS AGAIN rnG sTAND.
Gen. Thomas said: / wish TO correct my testimony
yesterday read letter signed by Mr. stanton addressed
to me on the OF February did not receive tho copy
Of that letter until the next day after had made the de-
nand for the office; the Secretary came IN and handed
the original; my impression IS that noted ~ the
original the receipts then handed it 10 Gen Townsend
make the copy read here and hand 1t 10 me- had
O. Then when you saw the President on the afternoon
Of the 2st YOU had yet rcce ged that letter from r
stantoni K. / had not; the next correction / want to
make is this said that the President told me 10 take
@ Are ssu certain that that was the expressoni a.
nm posi- ~; asked If could give the date OF NY
breyet commission do not know wbctherit is import
Q WHAT'S the date A. Breyet Major General, 18th
O. Upon whose recommendation was tDati \. III.
O. Did you ask him FOR il. or did he volunteer 1t
had more than intended 10 give ONE; but
on This OCCASION when returned from my duty, The
time had arrived when ought 60 have the commission,
and De gave it to me; there Is another point want to
Managers Gen Butler asked the Clerk, think 10 was,
that it was at home; don't know whether he said or
said 4 makes 10 deTence ne asked OF re nuanT q
never heard That testimony =, rea9 9r
O. Gen. Thomas how many times d.d YOU answer
yesterday that the President told you at the Tine 10
take possession Of the oicef A. Wei have not rc1b
over my testimony bal do not Know how many
times.
was; take charge, was the word used
q. And you are sure the words were charge OF =
@. And the three times when you reported to him
that Stanton would not 80 outreused 20 10 oHt-each
q Was your attention, at the time he said that called
TO the difference between inc WoIae take SHrSG ol me
office" and take possession Of IT. A Ny attention
@. HOW, then do you reconect so distinctly nowi
A. Because | know that was the expression.
O. You have always known that was the expression
O. How. then, did you come to make that mistake
a. 1 think the words were put IN my mouth. al,
q" Put into my mouth just as M kasencF ala
@ After You and Karsenor were summoned here as
some words with him in the room here adjoining dndi
eating the door behind HIM
@ Did you call him liar and Dcijmeri 4. promptly
@ o. Liar and peijdreri AIthink did both did GER
O. And and pefjurerl A. Think it Is probable did
room waiting to be called A. I did.
Q. And YOU knew lie was here FOL that purposei A.
O. Ana while he was there You undertook to talk to
him about his testimony A. stated 30 him ia I"o III
stanccs-I Will give them 10 you.
Mr.. BUTLER-Answor my question i ASKED you the
question whether yon undertook to talk TO him about lhe
testimony A. don't know who introduced the CONVEX
O. Certainly not Did you speak first Orhel A That
O. DID you tel him he was a liar and perurer at that
time \. dld tell him lie was mar hi"! nave s''u
Q. Did you offer violence to hint 4 did not, except
@. We're Won then in fun iuorni A. AS am now III
a Another question | want 10 ask you, which was
omitted DO you still intend 10 take charge or possession
Of the Office Of Secretary Of War; a. Finglyl J. 40
O. Have You said Sir 10 person, within Few days,
that we will have that fellow meaning santoD out II
tsln;s the shp" Did you say 50 to Nj. Johnson a.
"" 8 Anything to that eiectl A. Not that have any
Q. DO You know whether you did or mott A. What Mr..
Mr.. BUTLER1D. b. johnson. A. There was Mr..
johnson 10 at my house IN reference 10 an
other matter may have had some ersatOh ABOUT
o. Did YOU iokingly or otherwise use these words
1--WE will have stanton out If have 10 sink the shpP
A. have recollection OF using any such expression
O. Did you make use OF amy expression equivalent 10
itf A. / have no recollection OF it.
O. Have You such recollection Of what you did say as
10 know what Won did not sayl A. / have not; would
rather Mr. Johnson would testify himself a. TO the con
O. DO You deny that Won said 500 A. Wen won't
dciIy it, because ! don't know that did lLaughterl
O. You say You would rather he would testify. We
viii try and Oblige you in thai respect; but II you did
say II true merely bragg \. you may call II
what you please.
O. What DO you call ~ 4. do not call IL brag.
O. Whit was IL 4. IL was mere conversation, what
o. Did You mean what was said 4. did not mean
20 use any violence against MI stanton to gct hun out OF
q What id you mean by the expression that you would
have him out IL you had 20 sink the ship A. say that
/ do not know that used that expression
Mr. BtTIsEIsWe will show that by Mr.. Johnson; but
am assuming rhdt you dld use IT, ana ask you what
meaning dId you hayef - a.. -,
Mr. EVARfS--YOu have no right TO assume that DIR.
johnson win testify 70 that. He has not said 30 yet
Wituess-I cannot say what the conversation was Mr.
johnson was then official business CONNECTED WIN TIE
dismissal OF an officer from the army
Mr BUTLER-Thcn you were lOAlng On INC suigccti
A. Certainly. ,, 49,.
O. Did You ever sec MI. johnson beiorei A. do not
recolect Possibly may have seen MN peloIo, ~.
O. Have you ever scen-bimi A Possibly not NOT 10
my knowledge. - a a, =,
o. Here was a stranger who called upon you on Official
,ness and did you 20 10 Joking with HIN ~ thal way
A. Not a total stranger; knew him rs the lawyer en-
ployed by Col Belger 10 have him reinsiated.
u Who "A stranger TO y0ul ~ THINK ne was,
O. And did you 40 10 Joking with stranger on such
su6ectl A. Certainly; We had quite familiar tak a.
q And that IS the only explanation yon can give ol ''
conversation A. II Is Sufficient, think.
q Sufficient not is II the only answer you can gVei
a. II is the only one do give.
q And is 10 the only one you can giVcf A. Yes, .,
O. DO yOu mean TO take all back that said IA Gen
scbryers about your not going with the once
2fstf A. Oh. yes; IL the 22d, think Gen. TOWNS
end was IN there on the 2st.
O. On the 2lst there nothing said about any one
obeying yoni A. think not
Was there anything SAID about not OF 'nt' your n
think not