The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-05-19

The SPEAKER stated that was partly owing 10 the
fact that 30 many members were standing anu re
mr., WOoDwARD resumisg said-Mr. Speaker
whatever may be The technical difficulties ABOUT co.,
sidering the Senate . court in the maIter u !m
parchment there can be no doubt in the mind OF my
colleague or any other man." tnal those senator, S
that for 1l practical purposes they are sitting as
Judges in case which Is peculiarly !naSi she a uncy
ments OF counsel. They have decided one count "a
the Indictment, and now, while they are aeioefats
in the highest degree ndelicate-I mean no personal
! offence when add indecent-for the prosecution 70
| come in with resolution calculated to influence the
Judgment of that court When Ia this broad land has
the like been Witnessed BEFORE that party may
institute prosecution and 60 before Judge anu pre-
sent his ease and while the Judge Is deliberatng
upon the set in operation series OF ihnuences
to pear upon When has ihe like o. eve s
! been seen befOre9 Where has the honorable gentle
man ever seen anything OF the Kind 6eforef His
professional life has been spent in Pennsylvania; and
| where did he ever hear OF party approaching
| court Judge after the case had been committed,
and by threats or promises or in any other way at
tempting to influence the Judgment of the court
with all his experience he never heard anything of
! the kind; and now ask, in all seriousness is this
House prepared to put itself before the world in the
! light of party who, having submitted his case to
is annoying it, is threatening it with uncomfortable
consequences unless 1t decides the case in its favor?
Are we prepared to put ourselves IN that position
self in that position before court OF Justice would
not be committed to Jail for contempt OF court.
! that do not propose to use the materials that we
shall get in any way injurious to the court now in
| Mr. WoopwARD-I have said that to the gentle
mans resolution itself | have no objection: but to
resolution, am making this objection, II under
stood the gentleman, he wants this information for
and Of holding them to that responsbility. cannot
recollect all hs language; but his language implies
that there is some sort of discipline to be used on
those Senators founded on the Information that
this resolution calls for. Now, against that
sentiment, whether coming from the gentleman or
coming from correspondence with Senators, or
coming from conversation with Senator's or coming,
l care not how-against all that meddlng with the
tribunal while it is celebrating on this high and i'm
portant case enter my most solemn protest as
thing indicate In the highest degree and indecent.
Mr. Mr. seSo ep % ae w Ssat ts
ask him If he now considers the Senate cOnstu-
tiOna tribunalp think he questioned that once in
Mr.. WOODwARD-If the House will give me five
minutes more win answer that question.
Mr.. SchENcK Fep.) OF OHIO asked Mr.. stevens to
; Mr. STEVENS consented on condition that Mr..
Schenck at the close OF MS remarks would move the
Mr.. scnENoK-Mr. Speaker, should like to have
, that resolution read which has been pronounced by
the gentleman from Pennsylvania Il, be indecent
Mr.. WOODwARD-The gentleman must not put
/ words in my mouth which ! did not use. SO far
E from pronouncng the resolution indecent said eX.
pressy that would have voted for It.
Mr. ScnENckml heard the word .indscent." oo
Mr.. WoODwARD-That was applied to the speech
made in support OF the resolution, not to the resolu
ton ITSELF
The SpEAKER--The Chair did not understand the
gentleman (Mr. Woodward) to apply the word ''in
dent to the remarks OF his colleague. II he had he
should have ruled that it was not parliamentary
The Chair understood it to be implied to some sup
posed action.
did not intend anything unparliamentary or uncivi
toward my colleague. [ meant to characterize the
use that was to be made OF this Information and all
that effort as indecent.
Mr.. ScHENCK-lf the gentleman says ne did not
charge that the proceeding OF his colleague was in.
he did. heard the word distinctly twice, either rs
applied to the remarks of the gentleman from Penn
the gentleman from Pennsylvania sought to insti-
tute. In either case it comes with very bad grace
from any man who should not be on the Moor unless
y sustained here by a degree OF assurance which
could hardly imagine possible 70 exist in the case of
| man who has denounced this as no Congress, a
. iragmentary body usurping body
: Mr.. WooDwARD-lb beg leave to call the gentleman
= to order.
7 Mr.. ScHENCK-I may not use the exact words OF
the gentleman, but win give his language, that
II may be seen whether have Oyerstated II.
:, Mr. WooDwA RD-The gentleman uses not only not
my exact language, but nothing like the language
p Mr. sCHENcK-l have it here under my hand
= Mr.. WooDwARD-What the gentleman aliudes tC
was an argument used by me on the floor of the
~ House. as fully as the rules OF the House wouIc
e allow me- that neither the House nor the Senate
were
!, Mr. scHENcx fnterrupting)--I am going to read
= the genteman's language. l do not want his gloss
of 1t. Now, had made my disposition to do this
because had prepared resolution OF expulsion on
it by the expectation which induced to enter,
tain, that another gentleman, who had taken a share
In the debate, would himself proceed against him.
On the Goth Of February last, when this subject OF
Impeachment was under discussion, the gentleman
conclude all the legislation which we have done does not
s e S asnsa to and M
s s M ay sn M 0Re T @
noI would advise hmf prefer articles of impeach.
men to demur both TO your jurisdiction and that Of the
world notice that while he himself ms
subject he holds from people 3
to strip him OF IL Such procIsms,ion with the
ana Sp hama aus sn
That man protesting to be himself member of the
American Congress- and drawing pay such he takes
care Of that presumed stands here and denOunces
i peach and by the Senate to try that impeachment as
proceeding not legally to be entered upon by either
Sodes and he declares that he If he were the a
. wiser OF the President, would dispense them by
j force; that is virtually what his threat means. dc
not wish any gentleman here outside OF this hall 10
attack my representation OF his language as being
9 proper or improper interpretation OF that Ian
guage, and from the official report OF the proceedings
OF this Congressi. aver that he dared to
! stand here in his place and denounce this
find articles of impeachment aud present them.
E and the senate as no body entitled under
the law to try the Impeachment, and that he meant
. further, and gave notice in the shape of threat
that If he were President he would step in and dis
perse these two fragmenary bodies, and thus put
end to the impeachment and the impeachers alike
Sir, repeat what say, had prepared resolution
10 eXpe that member from TINS moor as unworthy oil
q seat In the body of which he thus speaks, ana
was only prevented from Offering it
Mr.. MARSHALL, tdem.) OF Ill Qnterrupting)-I rise
10 question OF order. The gentleman from Ohio Is
not discussing the question before the House.
Mr.. SCHENcK-Is he nOt2
| Mr.. MARsHAIL-And shall insist that the debate
be confined to the resolution, unless the gentleman
from Pennsylvania (Mr. Woodward) shall have an
opportunity 10 reply TO this attack upon him, which
Is nothing but personal attack.
The SPEAKER directed the resolution TO be read aud
remarked that that the subject before the House
l NJ.
Mr.. SCHENCR-l hold that what have been saving
Is entirely pertinent to these proceedings, and II
the gentleman (dr. WOODWARD would follow out the
position he has taken, and declare that we, being no
House OF representatives have no right to make that
request OF the Senate, ana that the Senate being no
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