The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-07-03

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lMg. SANFORD said he never saw such a. remarkable
lot OF men; there was something mexplicable about
them; while those parties were there Td0nt think
c0nversed with any one but Raphael and SANFORD;
did not hear anything said about arrests or prose-
cutCD OF any one Raphael did not speak on the sub
ject saw no sigr on any one OF fear or intimdaton
Malison and the other gentlemen conyersed In the
usual manner, but spoke hard against Mr. Rea-that
he was great sooundrel liar and SO on; made no
suggestion to the form or contents OF the second
affdayit l think Madison said the affidavt was
rather strong, but made serious objection; think
he said II was conflicting with his former af1davit
saw Madison, BYitcn Carroll Kimball and Potter
afterwards IN lager beer saloon in Centre street
the history recoect it OF P0ters affidavit is that
one morning Raphael brought Potter into Sandford's
once, and he asked to Reals afidavit; he was
very profane in speaking OF 1t and said Rea was
great scoundrel and tooK advantage of his position
he went onthe said he felt like blowing his brains
out; said thought he had been deceived; his am
lavt was drawn by Mr.. SandiOrd: Potter made no
IL; Potter, I think, mode the remark that Rea had
merely slave of the trial Of the case for year or
two; Brton did not say in my hearing that he must
60 10 Sandord's Office and explain IL; told the wit
neSses that | did not desire that Mr.. Stoughton
should be informed Of the afldavits made by them;
don't think said had political influence or pecu-
mary ability To- protect them from harm; was re-
quested by Carroll to return the first adavts Igave
Raphael Pohamus' and Jackson's check for $500 on
the Union National Bank; he has been and 10 now IN
my employ for the purpose Of detecting and proving
this fraud and conspiracy by Mr.. Rea; ! left the
whole management oft 10 him. and he said he could
40 tne report Oh Inc ueLecUVeS showed tilHt
lison, Brtton Carroll, Rea Kimbal and Potter were
one mass; j then sought him out and spoke cour-
teously OF the matter to Raphael and as soon as ne
saw what was coming at he told me he knew all
about IT. that 1t was conspiracy against me and he
could prove II; could not tell exactly how many
men have been engaged as DETECTIVES on this side OF
the case; it took three men TO watch Rea; told
Kimball. think al Delmonco's, just after he made
the first affidavit, that never had the conversation
mony, and he said "6h,. very little, very little
indeed" Kimball did not tell me; that conversation
certainly did take place as stated by him before the
referee; never said TO Kimba and no one else ever
said 10 him in my presence, that ne must sign TINS
AFFIDAVIT or he would be arrested never told him
had twenty-five detectives working up the case and
following them, or that had women following them
as detec ives; my father-in.law was always present
at my conversations with Kimba ana Carroll; |
thought il best to have third party present.; told
Carroll II was great outrage upon me That Mr..
Stoughton should have been furnished with those
first affidavits; he then said ''Mr jackson, have
been threatened enough;'I did not know what
or ntimaton 70 any of these parties as 10 what
would be done with them If they did not make
these afiidavts; on the contrary they seemed
anxious TO have the opportunity OF making
them restore me my rights and to punish Rea;
had hint that they meant TO repudiate their second
aiidavs until they came the witness stand here;
Mr. Raphael told me he would stake his life on their
second afidavits have known Prescott for many
years points him ouu; ne has been banker IN Wan
street; ! had conversations with min about these
affidavts last Friday or Saturday: Prescott told me
ne could give me important information about this
UldtteT, nut DOt btioIt tiiIG party. nc toiu Mc
these men were going to swear against their first
afidavits; he said 10 was put-up job by Rea, ana
that ne knew 1t was; he said Rea owed Jacob sharp
money, and one day sharp asked him for II: kea
said he thought he knew where 10 get money: he
told Sharp that he could go 10 Moser and that they
could make out that this whole thing was a c0nsp-
racy against him, and that If they did so they could
make so, 600 rom M0Ser.
Cross-examined-Mr Prescott told me last Friday
or Saturday that these five men going 10 swear
against their former aidavits had this lntimation
Of this fact that they were going 70 repudate their
first attdavits, before they came on this witness
stand; Raphael mad told me he would stake his like
on the second aihdavs; did not think that Carroll
would the witness stand 60 back on HIS first afli
davits: had no business transactions with Raphael
before this, but had known him for years on the
road told him If he proved this conspiracy would
pay him literally; gave him the $500 check on the
morning OF the S0th OF May; on that day paid him
altogether 81 .00o he had up 70 that time obtained
two aifdavits; had no knowledge that Raphael
an infamous person; thought he was reliable or
would not have given him $500 before he had done
anything; did not think as 70 whether he was re-
was my own; have paid Raphael in all 81, 50o on
the Sd day Of June, ] think, PAID him t500 that
the last payment; within the SPACE Of three or
four days paid him $4,000 for doing tins job; i
thought II was liberal payment, out he did not; ne
wanted more.
Charles II. Woodruff clerk In the Office OF Wood
run Sanford, called after the recess and re-
lated the circumstances attending the swearing 10y
Madison and Brtton to the second afidavils AMI
said he was amazed 10 gee men conduct themselves
with such deiberation and GOODNESS In swearing 10
dHHudNNs WHich pSiyuiVu thSAh az OA.o S"SS Va WY
other.
Cross.examined-The reason why was so i'm.
pressed with their GOODNESS was that they were per-
jurng themselves In one case or the other
Mr.. sandford one Of the defendants counsel, next
testided-This complaint, affidav!ts and injunction
were brough, TO me by Mr.. Jackson and called his
attention 10 the affidavts and asked him whether
the conversations mad ever taken place; he said they
had not occurred; he said he mad never heard OF
any Of these atlantis BEFORE he looked in the city
directory and did not ind them registered there;
told him would draw an answer; told HIM II
would be necessary for him TO hnd out all about
the occupation, character and antecedents OF Malli
son. Brlton and Potter ascertaned nothing OF these
parties except mat ey Were a N eanuea ona
and saw that they swore 10 the same conversation
IN exactly the same words and al great length aid
told Jackson that thought they were two great
scouudres, each knowing the other 20 be such;
Jackson came 10 me Afterwards and said he had EN-
ployed parties 10 trace them out anu mad succeeded
in finding some OF them together Raphael told
me a. my oss that the a Sdays weI n
stated that Carroll and Kimban, to my erea, sur.
prise, connected with the same common gang;
THAT the preparation OF these papers wac part OF NE
same conspiracy, and he could prove them; asked
Them how they knew ana they declined 20 tell Inc
and al my suggestion in that event withdrew; MALI
ana Brl'ton returned in about ON hour and said
theft adavits not true, but that they had been
insgated TO make them Ivy Rea; went into an adj
Joining ONCE and commenced drawing an aindavit
pared; when they stated their willingness 10
contradict their afidavits ] was surprised, and
me- then drew the afiidavits, rectng what they
had told me and denying that they had ever heard
the conversations between Rea and Jackson he
next day Mr.. Raphael and Mr.. Potter came 70 my
Office; l. had parity prepared an arinayit, az under
stood Potter wanted 70 make statement o. had been
done by the Others the AFFIDAVIT OF Rea was read 10
him az bis request and he became greatly excited :
Raphael Afterwards brought Kmhall and an affidavit
retfgctnp mis- former one was drawn: Carroll ter.
wards came for similar purpose and wanted to
know hrst what position he would tie placed IN by
the two conriciirg af,davitsi ! tod nm ! had no
threats or inducements 20 make 20 him, bat If he
chose 10 make this the means OF reparation of the
great wrong he had done Mr. Jackson he could do
40. put II woG.l be on his own respons Ibility; he
handed me, or the day OF the adjournment In
consequence OF the engagement of Mr.. Soughton
two afldavits, and asked 10 have his first
affidavit returned: told him would submit them
10 my associate but would moi promise TO return
The fret one and afterwards upon consultation.
decided TO retain all the aiidavts afterwards Car.
rol asked me for copy Of the nrst aifdavits and
subsequently furnished them: Kimbah nor Carroll
never said to me that they did not intend 70 deny
the conversation ever taking place, bat merely
m AZ N recognize Iackarn a bs.