New-York tribune., 1868-04-04
THE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.
Continned from Third PnRr.

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O. Now want you to tell me whether that which pur-
accurately reported A. II is accurately reported. 1
cannot say il is absolutely accurate.
| q. The whole OF itG A Yes
O. In reference the part Of the speech which YOU did
profess report verbatim what have YOU
that you did omit part Of the speech a. eDdeay
Ored report the substance and meaning Of the speech.
! l cannot say that did give IL all.
O. What assurance have you that some portions Of the
speech were not omitted entirely from your synopucal
view A was able to report nearly every sentence
and confident that did not fail TO takenotes OF any
paragraph IN his speech. "
O. That Is TO say you are confident that nothing which
would have been paragraph after II was printed was
left ont by youi A. He did not speak IN Pai"eiaphs.
O. You say you are sure You did not leave oul MAI M
would be paragraph did YOU out what would be
half paragraph A. endeayored 10 give tne , t,
anything but your original hottest A II was condensed
O. That to say that your original synoPtical views
as written down again reduced III "a shorter com
| pend that night A. Partly so.
| the whole of the Presidents speech! A. ehdeayored
| TO give the meaning of IT,
that portion OF your report is presented IN shape IN
which any man should be judged As coming from his
MI Mr BTTLER-I object to the question.
Mr. ENARTS-I asked the witness II he pTO!csses 10
state that in this synopca portion Of the printed speech
made by him 1t is 20 produced as to be properly
Mr. BUTI.ER-No objection to that
Wtness-I can only say that to the best OF m! belief
@ In your estimation and'belief! A. In my estimation
and belief
@ Ycu speak of reporter Johnson who took part as
understand you in that business What part did he
take A. Tie also took notes OF what Mr. Johnson sad
O. Wholly independent of you A. Wholly inderen-
@ And the speech: printed IN your paper was not
from his notes A. 1t made up from mine with the
assistance OF his.
O. Then you condensed and mingled the reporter John
sons report and your aud produced tins printed re-
O. what nlan did Johnson proceed on in getting the
draft effect Of the Presidents speech A johnson
took as full notes as possible; ~.
O. How much OF that report, and how much Of TAI
analysis estimation of wnat the President said WS
made out your notes. and how much of JOhnSOnr A.
Whenever Johnsons notes were fuller than mhe n'ed
O. was that so in many instances A. 1t not 40 in
majority Of instances, but in the mnorty-in con0id
O. Did Johnson write ng.hand tool A. Yes
q. What connection has johnson with you on the pa
q. Was there no Photographic reporter to take down
ths speechi A. There was none for our paper Ihere
"f5s Redirect Sg Mr. ' BrTEE I0' 'O 0'' pr'''
q. You have been asked about the manner m which
you took the speech; were there considerable mterrup
O. Was there considerable bowling for the President
A. There was necessary howling.
O. Why necessary A. Because OF the interruption OF
o. Was the crowd noisy one! A. It was
q. We're 1.-THE crowd and the President bandying
SiMr EVARTS-The question is not what was said.
Mr.. BUTLER-I do not adopt the language Of the
counsel. | Will repeat my question whether opltlets
thrown back and forth between the President and
NJ
Is what SAID Every one does not know Wai handy
Mr BUTLER, TO the witness-Do you know what ban
Mi EVARTs-I suppose objection viii be first dis
Mr. BUTIER-I beg your pardon; however. l win
withdraw the question. Ny proposition Is THIS =.
Mr. EvARTs, interlupting-There is no objection to
your Withdrawing the question.
Mr. BUTLER-I only withdraw my question a. 10 tue
meaning Of word which one OF the counsel did not un'
derstand. Laughter
In Lord George Gordons case the cries Of the crowd
were allowed to be- put in evidence but That question
Of showing what said there by way OF interruptions
whether there was crowd and the President stopped
to throw back epithets at the crowd. 49,. .. ...
Mr. EEARTS-The questions which We OBJECT 10 were
those about the bandyng of ehets back and forth be-
tween the President and the crowd.
Q What said by The crowd 70 the President ana 10y
the President TO the croSdi A. ie IIesioSh S & W. I'm IT.
Mr. IN have right to refresh your memory
by any memorandum, or copy Of memorandum made
D, Nj % EVAFTs by any copy Of a memorandum
Mr. BUTLER-Yes; any copy OF memorandum "Mch
you know to be a copy made al the iimc.
Mr.. EVARTS-We do not regard newspaper as
Mr. BUTLER-wen, we may as well have that settled;
because when man 81 wrote down as best could
put IN type within four hours rom that tme ana
know il be correct" insist that az rulc oi law
that is a memorandum from which the witness ma! re
fresh his rec0llecLon' . ,- =. -.,, ,, hi. -ocoi
lection II he II he cannot he Is allowed accofdIgH
to refresh his memory by the memorandum "hich he
de "A
Mr. BUTIER-I deny that 10 be the rule Of law He
may refresh his memory by any Memorandum Whch he
The CHIEFJUsTICE required Mr. Butler to reduce his
question 10 writing. ,.
put il TO witness this form desire you 10 refresh
your reccoection from any memorandum made by you
AT or near the time and then to state What SAID Dy
the crowd the President and by the President TO the
Mr.. EvARTs-Thst question we have objected to.
The CHIEFJUsTICE asked the witness whether that
was q memorandum made by him at the tme. Witness
Z faa conv of "A
The CH1EFJUsTlCE-The witness has right 10 look
at a paper which lie knows to DC true copy Oi memo
rnndum made at the time.
Mr.. BUTLER to witness-GO on.
Witness commenced reading from the paper ,.
Mr EYARTs interruptng-We understand the ruling
OF the Chair be that the witness Is allowed 10 refresh
ms memory by looking at memorandum madc up al me
time or what IL equivalent 10 II, and heupon 10 state
from Lis memory, thus refreshed what the facts are
that he might state 1t from MS memory D't hV' ic"u
from the memorandum.
Mr BUTLER, TO witness-Read H. ~
Witness, readng-The first interruption TO the ffe, &
dent occurred when he referred to the name OF Cen
Grant ana said he knew uat e iarsf Grant and
TO hear what had wheeupon there were cheers
for Gen Grant and the Presidnt went on The next IN
errupton occurred when he spoke of the object OF s
visit and alluded to the name OF stephen a; Dougias
then there were cheers. The next cases OF interruption
occurred at the time the President used the Language
s paced ticket nneaDiDg the ticket Tor the fes
dency win the eI gTies of is TOO bad
unfortunate" The President proceeded-1es' / kho"
o. What WAS then said by the crowd A. The I'res
dent say that II was unfortunate Tor some
MIR FVARTs interruptngl said the point made by the
learned Manager this; that In following the exam
naton of this witness could show that there were IN
terruptons for spaces that IS the whole matter as
SOw the witness Is reading the Presidents
speech, which IS not yet In evidence: -,
MIR BITLER-And as understand IT, he IS not Feaulhg
the Presidents speech but giving such PORTIONS OF IL
only as 10 show where the Interruptions came m Now
when we compare the Interruptions with the portions OF
the speech you took accurate notes you VIII see
why there was time 10 take portions Oi u Nefpatim
The CHIEF-JUsTGCE-To witness: Look at the mem
oraudum and then testify from memory AZ present
when tbe President remarked that if his predecessor had