New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1868-03-13

balanced and the probabilities Of eventual success &c
termned For THIS purpose il has been deemed suneisn
that the party had declared its Independence aud az me
time actually maintaining it," Had not the sontn
tanning it Cheors In the face Of these CLAIMS put Tor
ward by the United states Government TO absolute H td
that independent state ought to submit 10 pay nie
If its discretion has been unwse Put 1t u m ne mn
way Suppose had not recognized the SOuth anu SUP
pose that fortune had decided in their favoI-equ v5
he entitled to call MS to account Tor MOI ing Injured
nized them soon enough, and thereby hao o absnrd
their prospects, SO stated the question seems The
But if responsible way we are .0
ton as injury on one side why not for tardy
S po1P P{oS CG Whenever e oRer war wa breaks
question for the moment only Hear, hSaa law
L is question which viii . create ,o
precedent and bound not merely % TG The Vht
| of duties Of nations in general toward each OTHER
Cheers But the grounds rest on are ese nIs Una.
ton which is irrelevant to the issue; secondly that te
irrelevant question was one ny oS eSn opofon aud
thirdly, that the United States Government in
tIeT parallel cases had absolutely refused to
admit any responsibility for adopting a similar
course; and lastly that 1 believe no one would
undertake 10 sarbtrate on case so entirely vague
and underlined. 1 will not now argue the case on its
merits far as Teeognon Is concerned but u may pc
necessary Ia remind the House that IN recognizing inc
CQnfederates when we did We were simply pfcillG on
May 49, state Of things TO be civil war which IN olca
the United States Government mhsSI ueSlattd 10 De
Sapers Which have been since published and laid before
Tho public They bear date some twelve and Nteen days
Spf fSst SAX 6 BRIEF on the 9Th Of May nine days be-
fore the issue the Queens proclamation Of neutrality,
Nr Seward writes IN these teTps The insurgents have
Instituted revolution WITH OPEN Migrant deadly war; to
compel the United States TO acquesce In the dismemher
n6n OF tho nation. The United states have accepted the
civil war as an inevitable necessity Correspondence
relating foreign affairs accompanying the Presidents
Message TO Congress IN December lSGll ! should be
sorry 70 Eay anything that Y9uA even look Ike want q
respect Tor the distinguished dplonast by whom this
has been conducted throughout and than
whom no man in the United states has probably had
greater experience. But IL the question which
thousands Of mile: apart but could meet face TO face
should venture to ask him whether he could win gravity,
call upon sOemuy TO refer to the arbitration OF some
Neutral body, of some third party TINS question: hete
the British Government, had night on the lSth OF
May, 10 declare that TO be eyii war; WINCH III various
documents especially dated tho 4th of May he Nlr
Seward himself had chTstened by that name Cheers
Let fbc noted also that highest Court of law in tho
United states in passage which has often been
SSTd to U be state Of var and another argument ia
mliar 10 all who have studied the SUBJECT IS tal hcle
We're 10 war IheIe Wa, vi v h ~ @ ~ w
tured Hear, heafr Claims sucA these would mount
think TX hat the statesmen of the United states would be
willing let in these enormous claims for the sake Of IN
applications, not import4t though admit that
indirectly il may have considerable importance am
CAD to believe and there cam think. he no doubt that
there has been great change OF feeling here within
the last years, the other side OF the water
corresponding change Is taking place lcheeIs now that
The question Is better uIflerstood. / saw very
remaf5able article theshcr day which id,r, was
il tho United states. Thepassage was yery1rief viii
y% lTT s5id Te inns meaning. Of coSe tie Ner-
York Times cOncls fully nte three great points winch
We made; first that there j. not the remOtcst chance
that any arbitrator likely To be chosen would undertake
say that the queens proclamation OF neutrality was
wrongful act; second Lat this particular question is ny
caDahe OF being made subject Of arbitration; and,
third that il has pothngto do Win me merits OF ont
merkabe admission; and must say that the fact OF such
admission having been made "a leading Journal, Ia
orned by public opinion it finds expression from day
Ia day IN The pages OF the newspapers, Is an encouraging
sign. do not wish 10 detan the House llond cheenng
but think have said enough TO skSY lha5 Us proposed
caprciOus. Stil less they as
have seen it limited ont of doors that they
arbitration at all. but that they formed
utegibe. and, think. sound principle Il the negotia
tOns have been for time suapended-l viii not say bro
ken or but susPended-the rupture or suspension does
not come nom our side We made our offer and 1t has
been declined According 10 the ordinary usage It IS now
for the complaining party if they do not Ike our plan al
an arrau cement, 10 propose their own. Something was
said by the honorable member a. 10 our language being
varied at different stages Of the negotiations II IS dih
cult 10 remember with accuracy all the arguments which
have been put forward, but can answer FOR ii that ny
own ideas on the subject never Nafieu' o,
MT SHAW iErENEL-I said that Mr Stewards language
varied.
Ter over. thccrsI am very glad that INC hVholoe
member with his recent American experience, agrees
with "a 90 the general character or me c0rlelDnu
ence But then is said, N0u ought to settle this matter
at once, or You will have quarrel. ann a. anxious 10
do not believe in the likelihood Of the quarrel lIlearl
have never concealed my opinion mat the American
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reference proposed by ", were very likely 70 make OUT
their case 8ndto get their money 10 Ms the money part
81 The affair napprrciaby small choctS especially as
we have or our side claims which, If only small por
ton OF them hold waterand you never can yen before
hand how these matters will turn OutWu form by
no means unmpOrtant sct-of 10 The claims preferred
against us Hear. hear BIT think II matters were
fairly adustedeven If the decision went against us
We should not be disposed 10 gdge the pay lcht LOUD
and general cheering The expense would be quite worth
ucuI1ing il only ia order 10 obtain an authortYe deci
sion as 10 the position OF neuias IN future wars lhea,
hoaIl n, therefore the Alabama claimants are Kept
ont OF what may be due 10 thelu thcy ought 10 under
stand aud think they Will undcrsand thit u l. not ~
the act OF this Government Ana tboush party POI,
ties may high in the United Sthet l VIII
not believe that any party can be so reckless OF
BILE the interests OF Their own country asno enEs' III
quarrel possibly ending III great ana cosby WI, iVI ue
sake OF enforcing II one par WY s , Tit th
then power 10 settle ana pIOuapy al -, ~
sense, without any recourse 10 violence 10 uo 80
would he contrary only to the reasonable view OF
American people, but would De- IA we fieC prSe, TT
which no English equivalent exists oy0cH Hhe PORE
hear ana laughter cannot but think that, IN
some way, Indirectly not directly, the
waive this point If they decline 10 do that 1t remains
~ seen whether any other solution OF the question IN
dispute can be found Br. Seward has more than once
thrown hints Of general commission when should
deal with all the outstanding Questions OF an aescIi
through Mr.. Adams, suggested that he should develop
that idea Speaking an isolated individual ana WIN,
prejudice what may be done in the future should
have thought that international questions were better
reasonable mode of settlement aud If We can agree
| upon the substance. do rot think either me Gov
efumeut, the House, or the country would lie dis.
/ posed TO stand out Oh matters OF FORM iCheersl
Before | SIT down may say thdt the reception or the
British Minister Washington has been not only friendly
bnt cordial and everything LEADS me to think that the
feeling In the United states toward England improving
loud cheers Having stated the facts OF the CASE and
them briefly could shall leave the matter
the Judgment only OF this House and OF tho public
in this country. but shall leave II 10 the Judgment Of all
fair and impartial persons both sides OF the Atlantic
The noble Lord, in resuTning his seat, was cheered
in the most cordial manner from both sidos Of the
! House.
Dir. " L. FORSTER could not conceive anything more
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countries than the concluding remarks OF the noble Lord
NnIA 10 ha