The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1868-06-10

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another.
Mr.. Knudsen said that, looking at the bill
from a Hawaiian point Of view. it was unfair
He had given as much attention to the bill a:
any one, and he thought that its passage would
no; benefit the Islands generally. He did moi
objec; to the bill because it was introduced by
the Ministry, but on account Of its own merits
We had had seven trips BY the steamer com.
pany. and by them we could judge of the ben
efts 10 be derived from sixteen trips. As fsl
as the merchants Of Honolulu were concerned,
he thought that perhaps they would be bene-
fitted, but II was unfair to pass 1t, because they
alone would be aided. He thought that those
who signed the petition for subsidy should
make up the sum themselves, not bother the
I people with il. There were many points in
/ favor and against the bill, but those who
loved the country would vote against it.
I Members Of the Committee on Commerce were
blamed for voting to table the measure, but
I they voted according to their convistions.
! Therefore he should not support the bill.
/ Mr.. de Varigny thought the argument Of
/ the member for Waimea appealed to the feel
/ ings instead Of . reason, because he said that
/ the bin was for the rieh, not for the poor.
/ He. Mr.. de v, could not understand why the
/ bill should benefit Honolulu only. If Homo
lulu grew and became important. would not
I Tue NNUlNENs 1leN- " nat NE NaukcC WAS
place should be created where our produce
shall find ready market. If Honolulu was
to be made such place by the frequent coming
Of the steamers, then the argument that Hon
olulu only would be aided. would fall to the
ground. As all know that the Kings Minis
tiers were never swayed by personal interest,
be would not take ofense at the remarks Of
the member for Waimea; but he was proud to
count with the supporters Of the bill the aged
father Of the King, who for forty years had
always advocated progress.
Mr.. keawehunahala referred TO the remarks
Of His Majesty. in the opening Speech, 10 aid
him in support Of the bill. The granting of
the subsidy was Let all like throwing over
board SO much money. Did not the members
remember the Scripture, - Cast thy bread upon
the waters &eg This bill was like that
The members were mistaken in supposing that
the subsidy would be paid out Of the taxes.
According 10 the estimate, the receipts for the
next period would be ever $50, ,000, which,
with the money now IN the treasury, would
make over $500, 900. Could not the the $50 600
subsidy be paid out Of that? He thought it
could The appropriation for internal i'm
provements was about $500 Gee. The expense
Of Government was about Sl95 ,0oo, SO that It
would be seen the Government gave a great
deal to improvements. 1t had been said that
the Islands occupied central position, and
that lines Of steamers would stop here any
how. Who knew that? Has our past history
proved II.
Mr. A. F. Judd was SONY that the member
for Waialua had said that the members were
disloyal If they voted against the bill. 1t was
not 50. The King wished al to think aud act
foT themselves, and the Representatives were
here 10 discharge their duty, according to their
eonsciences and sound Judgment.
Mr.. kalakaua had been opposed 70 the bill
until the remarks Of Mr.. Bishop, that now he
should support Il.
Ills Ex- :. Il. Phillips, in closing the de-
bate, said that now be proposed TO eonhne him
self 70 the question before the Committee. It
was the wish Of His MAjesty's Government
10 promote ocean steam navigation. For that
reason bin had been brought in The first
section had been amended, and be hoped that
the amendments would pass A motion had
been made by the member for Hilo to indef-
nitely postpone. This meant 3 refusal to con-
slider the whole bill. He should vote no, and
be hoped the Committee would vote no also.
Passing the motion would be denying aid TO
all ocean steamers. 1t WAS said that they
have already subsidy, yes. the paltry aid Of
a little fresh water and wharfage. The bill
asked only this, tha; the Government may
make such a contract as the King and PTivy
Atll4tL atlINNS1 II Nl4 lQl require the
spending of the whole So 900, but the mem
bers Of Government claimed that the power
should be lodged somewhere to enable con-
tract to be made, If advisable, with ocean
steamers. The Government did not ask for
the who'll Of that power, but It must be ap-
proved by the King in Puvy Council.-and
who were they, the chiefs, headed by the ven
cradle father Of our Kings. Before the public
credit could be pledged. every one Of the Privy
Council could object TO support Besides the I
chiefs there would be some Of the Oldest and I
best merchants Of the place. who were noted for I
their sAsaeity and good judgment IN business. 4
II the Legislature adjourned without doing
something Of the kind they would hardly come 4
up to the expectations Of their constituents.
But the Ministers could say that II the golden 4
was allowed to slip, II would not 4
be their fault It could not be said that they 4
acted with haste BE -ss in favor Of acting 1
with grea; caution II would be the duty Of .
the Ministry 10 act with caution and see that 4
the contract was drawn Up With care. Ii the 1
Committee voted for the motion Of M. Hitch
cock. II would be saying no 20 all improvement
and Advance. 1t was not the policy Of the
Islands From the oldest time. II Was the
pride Of the chiefs and people TO keep NJ with
the world BE wished b. Legislation 70 make
the Islands one Of the great centres Of the
EAGlIlE~ NlcIc news ANAla le reltlA Dc
distributed This would keep the independ-
enee Of the Islands. We we're constantly re-
minded that II WAS an age Of progress, that
new lines Of steam were beng projected The
time had passed when China and Japan could
shut ont the world. II We wished 70 hold a
good standing before the world, We mus; do
something to uphold ourselves. he would not
iry now - say how much money would be
made or lost 1t might be that the contract
would not be closed with the c. o. II Co.,
1ut with some other company. The question
EAs, vii the Legislature give the power 10
make eontrset- He thought that the Assem-
BY ought to give the POEer, and not leave the
SoEernnenf helpless for two years when pro
,Eess EAs the rule on this oeeAn-
Mr. EalakzzA objected 20 the member for
south Kola voting, as he was hired TO assist
.Eaius1 tie bill
Mr. Judd said Il vas not 50, and demanded
lis night TO q vote
Ayes zad uzys we're called on the motion to
indefinitely postpone. AYES ls, nays q.
The seTersl 2Dsudments 70 first section we're
mt and earned
his tx c de Yarigny moved that the Com
nis-se recommend the passage Of the first sec
i0n With the amendments Ayes 81, nays H.
Motion that the Co1mittse rise Was lost
Second section Ess Rad
Il. h " LznAlilo amended TO insert the
Tord Priry' II the place Of " Cabinet"
M A z Jadd o5jeeted 70 issuing bonds,
ut was IN favor Of paying the money In solid
ash cut Ct the Treasury, and not entA1 that
ArEe debt 1pon the people, that would drag
nd keep back tie people for IS years
Cou1itts rose. report approved and house
dio1rned-
FoRInTz DAT, WEDNESDAY, June 3
Assembly net at 10 A. n, h h N Eeku-
1aoa n the char