The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-04-18

side In mont II the hotel.
2. Di3 re President say ANYTHING before he went
out, as % whether he wanted to make long speech
or Sort speech or anything to characterize the
speech which he proposed TO maker A. My under
Standing was that he did not care to make any speech
Mr. CuRTIs-You have already explained that he
manifested reluctance. Now, II he said anything as
to his purpose in going out should like to have you
state 1t.
Witness-I understood from his acceptance that
his intention was TO make short speech when he
o. Did you or not hear what he said, or were you
s 30 ens w the
g: mean after he went outs A. heard very little
Q. Was it large crowd or small ones A. A large
Q. Were you present far enough on the balcony to
oe aoe to state what the demeanoa Q, the croW wa
inside. was not on the balcony Of the hotel at all;
but heard from the parlors one or two Interrupt
tons.
Q. You remained in the parlors all the timer A.
Between the paror and the dining room; was not
Cross.examined by Mr.. BUTLER
O. You met the President at Alton, and you your
self, as one Of the committee, made him an address
on board the steamer where you received himY A.
l introduced him to the Committee OF Reception
from st. Louis.
O. Then Captain Fades, who was the chairman of
the committee, made him an address or welc0meY
A. Yes, sir.
, Q: And after that the President made responses
A. Yes, sir.
O. And in that address he was listened to with
particular attention, as became his place as Pres-
dentY A. observed nothing to the contrary.
=. Then You went to the Lindell Hotes A. did
not go to the Linde Hotel.
@. Well, tlie President wentq A. think the car
rage of the President went to the Lindell Hotel.
O. And en- route to the Linde Hotel he was es
corted by procession, was he nots A. From the
landing-yes.
do not recollect what societies they were; 1t was
very large turnout, and perhaps most Of the sOcie
ties Of the city were represented.
was not there when he arrived at the Lndell Hotel
@. We're you there when he was received by the
O. You do not know whether the Mayor made him
an address Of welcomeY A. Only from what l saw
Q. Now do you know what the President respo nd
edY A. Twas notpresent.
q. What time Of the day was 1t when he got to the
Lindeli MotelY 4: do not know what time he got
q. Cannot you tell nearly the timer A. 1t was
probably between one and five O'Clock.
the Lindell Hotel to the Southern Hotel9 A. do
not recOlect whether accompanied them from one
hotel 10 the other or not.
Q. He did 20 from one to the others A. Yes.
Q: There was to be banquet for him and his suite
at the Southern Hotel that nightY A.. Yes.
q. At which there was intended to be speaking to
him and by him9 A. There were to be toasts and
responses.
O. What time was that banquet to come OFF, A.
do not recOllect the exact hOur think somewhere
about nine O'Clock.
q. At the time the President was called upon by
the crowd were you waiting for the banquet? A.
When the President was called upon by the crowd
do not think the banquet was ready. He was in the
parOr with the committee and citizens.
Q. The citizens being introduced to him9 A. Yes.
T. Did you hear any portion of his speech on the
balconyY A. Only such portions OF 1t AZ could catch
occasionally from the inside; did not go the bal
O. Could you see on the balcony from where you
wereY A. could see ON to the balcony, but do
not know whether could see precisely where he
stood or not.
z. While he was making that speech, and when he
got to the sentence, q" will neither be bued by my
enemies or Overawed by my friends was there any
body on the balcony trying to get him backP A.
can hardly answer that question, as was not there
9. You might have seen persons trying to get him
onY A. did not.
should think that If could not see it l could not
Mr.. BurLER-I only want to make sure on that
point.
witness-I am positive on that point. Gaughter.)
q. Who were on the balcony besides himS A.
suppose The balcony would hold perhaps two hun
dred people; there were great many people there.
O. Give me the name OF some Of the two hun
dred II you can name anybody who was there A. l
think Mr.. Howe was there; my recollection is that
the President walked out with Mr.. Howe.
q. Was General Frank Blair there at any timer A..
do not recOlect OF II II he was.
q. Did the President afterwards make speech at
NE banquetS A. A short one.
U. Was the crowd noisy and bOistepOus OneY A.
heard good deal OF noise from the crowd while I
was moving about inside
EXAMINATION OF GEORGE KNAPP.
George Knapp sworn, and examined by Mr. CURTIS.
Q. Where do you residef A. In st. Louis.
O. What is your business9 A. am one Of the pub
fishers and proprietors OF the st. Louis Republican.
T. Were you In ST. Louis at the time Of President
Johnsons visit to that city In the snmMer OF 1887
A. I was.
Q. Were you in the room where the President wass
A. was.
o. Please state what occurred between the Presi.
dent and citizens or committee Of citizens In refer
ence to his going out TO make q speech. A. The
crowd on the outside had called repeatedly for the
President 1 recollect that Captain Able Captain
Taylor and myself were together. The crowd con-
tinued to call, and some one suggested, think It
was that the President ought to go ont; some FUR
Their conversation occurred, think, between him
and Captain Able.
q You mean the gentleman who has Just left the
stands A. Yes sir; think l said to the President
that he ought to 20 out and show himself to the
people and say few words, at any rate he seemed
balcony and he addressed the assembled multitude.
O. What was the character Of the crOwds Was
there large number Of peoples A. dol't think
ntude Of the crowd; think stayed back some dis
tance
cony itself? A. suppose there were probably from
fifteen to twenty; there may have been twenty-five.
Q. Could you hear from the crowdf A. could.
q. What was the character Of the proceedings so
far as the crowd was concernedS A. do not rccOl-
lect distinctly; my impressions are that occasional
or repeated questions were apparently put to the
President; / do not rec0llect exactly what they
were.
Q. Was the crowd orderly or otherwise, 80 far as
you could see. A. At times they seemed to be some
what disorderly; but Of that am not very certain.
Crossexamined by Mr. BUTLER:-
z. Did you 20 out on the balcony at alG A. Yes,
stepped out; II is wide balcony, perhaps twelve
or fifteen feet II the whole Of the sidewalk;
I stepped out; l think was probably one, two or
three feet back Of the President part or the time
while he was speaking; there were number Of doors
and windows leading out to the balcony, and you
could stand In a window or door and hear every
word he said.
O. Did you listen to this speech SO that you could
hear every word he saidY A. listened pretty at
tentivey TO the speech while stayed there; but
whether stayed there during the whole Of the time
l do not now recOllect.
o. You have told us there were fifteen to twenty
persons on the balcony A. That ID my impression;
] am not certain about that
q. How many persons would the balcony hold
A. I suppose the balcony would hold hundred
people.
q. Then 1t was not at all crowded on the bal
conyY A. do not rec0llect whether 1t was or not;
did not charge my mind, nor do now recollect the
parlors were full, and think II very likely that
larQe number of the peOnle crowded ON the bal.