The New York herald., 1868-04-05

can follow speaker pretty accurately who speaks as
Andrew Johnson speaksi A. think they can give
l tice
Q, How rs it when are taken into consideration
cate the Interruptions; he could not write them out
q. But could he get the sense Of the speakerf A.
| BY Mr. STANBERY-A longhand writer You say,
may take the sense and substance Of a speech-that
Is, he may take the sense and substance as to his
| own ideas Of what they ares A. Yes, his own view
| OF what the speaker is saying
Mr.. BUTTERFLY debating report from the notes
to another person 1t can be written out much more
TESTIMONY OF ROBERT 8. CHEW.
Robert s. Chew was sworn and examined by Mr..
| BUTLER:-
Q: You are employed in the State Department. ?
9. In what capacitys A. am Chief Clerk in the
G. Is Il part Of yonr duty to supervise com,
missions tnat are ssuedY a: commission nrst
mission Clerk OF the Department; 1t Is brought to
and by me sent to the President When 1t Is returned
with the Presidents signature 1t IL submitted by me
to the Secretary OF State, who countersgns 1t; then
goes to the Commission Clerk for the seal to be az
Q. When commission does not belong to your de-
partment, where does It gOf A. Ii 1t Is for the
| Treasury II goes to the Treasury
q. That is to say, the commissions of officers of
the Treasury are prepared at your departments A.
Q. For what officers for instance, A. For Comp
troler Auditors of tho Mint, Collectors Of the Reve
g. For Secretary and Assistant Secretary ALSO A.
9; Af.e. they are prepared they are sent to the
| Treasury A; Yes. sir.
your oficeS A. They are issued from the Depart
O. Have the kindness to tell us whether after the
passage OF the Civil Tenure OF ONCE act any change
was made In the commission OF Officers OF your de-
q. What was that change Tell us how the commits
sion ran In that respect before and how II after
wards. A. The form OF the old commission was
nj tho Of fha mi ad
State for the time being" These words have been
stricken out and the words subject to the conditions
prescribed by law" substituted.
q. Does that apply to all commissioners A. 1t ap-
plies to all commissions
after the passage Of the Civil Tenure OF ONCE act.
! z. How soon afterp A. cannot say exactly when
the first case came up making it necessary for the
commission Clerk to prepare commission; he ap-
piled for instructions under that act.
| 2. Was the subject then examined at til depart
Q. Was that change made after examination
| or befores A. After the examination.
Q. State whether It was made by the direction Of
Secretary or notY A. The submitted by the
Secretary to the Examiner and Oh his opinion the
change was made
| q. BY order of the SecretaryS A. think so
| q. Do you print your commissions on parchment
| nom copperplate fOrmS A. Yes, Sir.
| Ii was.
Q. Have you blank forms of the various kinds of
| commissions issued by your departments A. We
q. Prior to the passage of the act of March 1867
being the Civil Tenure Of Onice acD state whethe
the commissions issued to hold Office during the plea
| sure Of the President for the time being were all
issued in that Orma A. They all issued in that
| form.
| O. After the change have all the commissions been
ISSUED Una IN % changed Iorms A. They have.
| by the PresidentY A. They have.
q Has there been any other change than what
you have mentioned down to this day? A. None at
all.
O. Has any commission whatever to any officer
been sent ont from the department since the passage
OF the act except in that changed formY A. am
O. Could there have been any except by accident
without your knowing it9 A. Not except by acci-
Mr.. BUTLER put the forms of the commission in
evidence.
Cross-eXamination by Mr.. SrANBERY:-
q. The old form contained this form, as under
stand t:-"The said officer to hold oilce during the
pleasure OF the President OF the United States for the
O. These words, you say, are left OutY A. Yes
q. And these other words are inserted, "subect
| to the conditions prescribed by law ~ A. Yes, sir
O. Have you ever changed one OF your plates or
forms SO as TO Introduce In place OF what was there
| these Words .To hold until removed 10y the Presi-
dent with the consent OF the Senate ?" A. No, sir.
z. Has any commission been issued to the head of
department different from those that were issued
before the Tenure OF Ofllce actY A. cannot
q. Have you a separate plate for the commissions
OF heads OF departments A. cannot answer that
question.
| q. DO you recollect no instances in which any
| change has been made there? A. No, sir.
| Mr.. BUTLER-llas any commission been issued to
| the head OF department since March 2, 1867? A.
| do not recOllect IL.
Mr.. BuTLER-Ihen, of course there is no change.
| MIR. STANsERY-Of course not. (lO the witness)-
How long have you been chief cerkY A. since
July, 1866.
q. How long have you been in the onlces A. Since
q; That is, you have been there thirty-four years
| A. Yes, SIR.
sons ran IN this way" During the pleasure Of the
President for the time beings' A. Yes, sir.
MI; Mr.. Bur.ER-Do you know Mr.. sewards hand
| q. Is this letter signed by him. A. It's.
Mr.. BUTLER--I ofier now in evidence a list pre-
pared by the Secretary Of State and sent to the
Managers of all the appointments and removals OF
officers as they appear In the State Department from
the beginning of the government
| Mr.. SrANBERy-Of all oficers9
Mr.. BuTLEK-No; Of all heads Of departments. II
Is accompanied with letter simply describing the
list, ana which i VIII read. the letter Is as fol-
lows:-
Honorable JOHN A. BrseHAm, Chairman, tel
SLR-In reply TO note addressed the 23i
the Of the House Of Representatives matter oi
wo h sns B. Seaa one TO
ss OF all Of heads Of made by
SO far as the same can be ascerained from the
appointments OF heads departments at any time made by
e sna rsssn s @ with the advice and eopsen.of the Senate
honor to be, &C., '0' " WILLIAM f. SEWARD ."'
Mr.. BUTLER then put In evidence schedule A, being
ne list OF removals OF heads OF departments made
by the President ut any time during the session of
TIE only DeiDR tnat OF timothy PICK
ering, secretary OF state, removed May J3, 1900.
Mr. Butler also put In evidence schedule Il, being a
list or appointments of heads Of departments made
by the President at any time during the session OF
the Senate. The list contains thirty appointments.
extending from 1894 down To 1864, and are princi-
pally the appointment OF chief clerk to act empo-
rarily az heads OF departments
Mr.. BUTLER TO the witnessl-There are in this list
thirty acting appointments like those OF Mr.. Hunter
Mr.. Appleton and Mr.. Frederick w. Seward. | do
not ask the authority under which they were made
bul ask me circumstances under which they were
made, and what was the necessity for making ihem-
whether II was the absence Of the Secretary or other
wiser Has there been in the thirty -four years that
you nave been In the department, any appointment
0f an acting secretary except account OF the tenn
porary absence OF the Secretary A. do not reco-
lect any at this time
q. by whom were those acting appointments
nader A. they were made by the President or by
his order. " ~
o. Did the letters OF authority proceed in most of
these cases from the President from the head of