The New York herald., 1868-01-10

OF bureau 70 communicate WIN the President" Fur
Mr. Loo.a ia.erupsing--I DO mot yleld to hear the
ovidsaoe OF the Impeachment Committee read read
Not VIII 81; sSidsass p.ricsissy but with Inc rssai
NJ. EIDspos-ons single word. M. Rollins named
moved, and the following questions put him
eassion-Dia you name psrssss = their succeasouf
puolcass or dsnocratsf Answer-I have no neaHs Of
knewing with certainty their political opiaioas. fssy
generally rspatsd ~ conservatives; cannot cay whs-
thsr they we're or not
the gentleman 20 read anything more Of that hope
all the nsmbers Of the Hsuss have that evidence
Yielded for question suggestion, and the gentle
man has neither asked question nor made sagges-
ton
Mr. ELDRlDcs-Ths gentleman will allow ne to read
ore further question aud answerf
Mr. Lo0AN-I decline to do SO. ''-
M ELDRDoE. psrsisting-Tas question was put to Mr.
Kollins whSLhsp -
any question put 10 me through Mr. Rollins II you
nave any question to put put IL directly TO myself and
Mr. E.pRIDen Tho gentleman from Illinois holds tho
moor ena must do as he says will then ask him
ma spnon Is that the law recently passed which pre-.
vents the President from removing an olcer without
the consent Of the Senate has had tendency to con-
tinus these fraudulent efncsrs in Office and 10 produce
precisely the state Of things which the gentlsman has
| been describingi Mr.. Rsns says II has.
Mr.. LocAS-The gen,lonan's question s very simple,
and IT, The majority OF these officers to.
day. who charged these frauds are out Of
ten, not officers whose appointment comes before the
answer further The gentleman has the evidence taken
BY the Judiciary Committee IN references 70 hr Rollins
nothing 70 do Nth n. presd.ns Mr. Rollins reports
to his Chief the Secretary Of the Treasury and not TO
! the point Of discussion. But now will answer the
Renteman's question further. say that II the Presi-
dent OF the United States or the Secretary OF the
Treasury will ask :or the removal OF any officer or Tor
his suspension, the ground that he has besn derand
the revenue of the United States assure him that
President suggests and which he backs with ths state
! menis that the officer is dishonest man.
Mr.. RANDAL-Wl the gentleman from Illinois INT
Logan allow me 70 state my experiences in connection
| with this subjects
renee; have had the experience OF men who know
great deal more than he does abou, IL u-aughter.)
/ Mr. RANDALL only wanted to state that was asked
by grave Senator TO make bargain on that very sub
Mr. ELDarpce--I understand the gentleman from llli-
nos propose that should 60 10 the President and ask
the removal Of officers appointed within th9 last four
teen months II tnat bargain 70 bs made wish II TO
the fraudulent oHicors, because Mr. Rollins tells US
that many OF the appointees Of Mr. Lincoln were dis
| Mr. LoGAs--very well; I agree to that. l agree to
mako a clean sweep of IL all the through Il might
help the revenues Of the country great deal desire
/ TO now, for the benefit OF my democratic friends
who desire to make this bargain that have also pro-
position 10 make. Last year there was collected from
tho revenue on spirits twentyhree millions OF dollars
say here 10 test the honesty OF Mt McCuloch and of
/
democratic side, Gle is not ours'1 Il do know
whether he, Doolitte Hancock Is to be the next
President according 10 the nominations made down bore
at this meeting last night daughter mean do not
know which Of them VIII run for the next presdency
Mr. EIDsIDcE-,It win be General Grant, If he gets on
the platform tIaughser)
Mr.. LoaAs-That Il exactly what he is going to do
gong 70 say Is tia. there ar. men today who would
give Mr. McCnloch nifty millions OF dollars II such
s % SaS S
United States before Saturday night next fifty millions
Of dollars, and pull all the expense OF the coscaon Of
the revenue from whskay and take the excess their
| pay for ts collection.
After some further remarks Mr.. Logan yielded the
noor, and Mr.. husGEs. ldeml Of Ono, spoke on the
question Of spirit mosres-undsrtaking provo that
| they were no guard against fraud.
Mr. VAN WycK spoke 10 defencs OF tho Metropolitan
Revenue Board being vgant and active and useiu
| in the dstecsion and prevention Of frauds.
MIR. LOGAN remarked that tho man who stood up 10
dcfend those men did not know what he was DOING
Mr.. VAN wycK suggested that he believed he knew
Mr. LOGAN remarked that be might know what he was
| saying, but not what he was doing uaughter.)
Mr. VAN WycK remakred that he had made perhaps az
thorough investigation of the subject gentle
man from Illinois. He admitted that frauds the way
OF straw bail one such fraud bad passed that Boari
but 1t had passed under q person who was not now
member OF the Board who had been sent there from
Washington, and who had permitted enormous frauds TO
| be perpesrated on the government
Mr. lNGERsOLI. trep.) or Ill.,, tired TO offer In this
] treasury for information TO the appointment Of
Inspectors and agents. who appointed them and
whose recommendation, but Mr. ScHEscK objected to
Mr. HusrsR epA OF Ind, spoke In favor OF that part
Of the joint resolution stopping all further work the
against ali the rest Of 1t The whole metro system
he conended had been an entire failure.
Mr.. IA SHALL, ldem OF IT,, said the majority OF OH
cias seemed 10 have adopted the maxim -
sS a ,,,ssvs ,s,svns r,sS SIa:sroS, ros, aT mart
Az vile 10 rob n hen roost OF \ hen
But stealing largely makes us gentlemen.
II was tho adoption Of that maxim which had brought
onehd of the country 10 the verge OF desau'on. while
In the other half or the people raising their hands
to heaven and calling In vain for bread. S, IL
unfar.and unjust hts colleague (dr. LDganl 10 deal
In Wholesale denuuciaion Of public officials without
bringing facts TO sustain the charges Charges had been
made by his colIeaaue AGAINST the Pr sdent and tho
Secretary of tho Treasury which, proved ought TO
brand them with lnfamy But he willing 10
condemn any man, high or low, on broad specifications
OF kind Unsustassed by single . particle
OF evidence hts colleague had charged The President
fhs Secretary Of the Treasury with knowingly ap
pointing thieves and robbers office Us wnking al
enormous frauds Those were grave charges, aud, II
NOT sustained py facts what ought 10 DO and what musi
be said Of an honorable gentleman who would make
suca oaais.s misneu. BRINGING ia1.s 70 sustain them
10 repeat the substance Of his ASSERTIONS but
interrupted by Mr. MARSHALL, who SAID that his col
leagues statement already record No one be
continued had right TO get sp in tho Houss and deal
IN wholesale defamation Of public officers without
know very well that such course unjust and
coud not 10 sustained by process OF reasoning
MIR. LOGAN asked whether his colleague desired him
10 state q casa2
Mr.. MARsnAtL replied tha. he colleague had better
opportunities LOT MOOR tlau he tNr
sha had and that if he had any pro)s could bring
them forward and let the facts 20 before the country
II here other mode Of punishment the country
and world should know tnose. men engaged in these
frauds But ne did not believe that either the
PRESIDENT the Secretary OF the Treasury had beoN
knowingly engaged IN aiding the preparation OF these
frauds What personal knowledge had they persons ap.
pointed TO Offices They relied principally on tho recon-
nendaton OF members Of Congress, and those recon.
Iaandatons more from the members on the other
side of the House than from those his Side II was
fact that member OF the party
proper could pass the ordeal OF the Senate con ra
ton 10 any appointment. The appointments had been
In the man from tho republican party, aud far
FORE his COLES quo alu Ion had any political dirtc.
ton, they applied 10 his party. Secretary McCui.
och had stated before tho Judiciary Connitteo that
ninetsen tventeths Of the IN his department vera
not only republicans, hut radicals; ami Commissioner
Rollins present and asssntsd 10 the statement Tue
effort 10 give the matter psrsan turn might therefore
be nghtfuy made IN the other direction II was oHly
WITH the advent OF the republican party that robbery