The workingman's advocate. [volume] (Chicago [Ill.]) 1864-1877, 1868-11-14


svsry MN would. fton IB I'll Ii, was unable
% 90 any work, lay hy sonstbing chat h
need not come On the rates. We Qss 70
ward 70 improvidence By our present laws,
and put tax on indestry.
kar Of LichfG,d--W What guaraniss would
you give for the security OF those sosistie
before you compelled people to Join them
They should Be formed on I proper bssi,
% that they should Be certain 10 be slrsc.
dve.
How would you secure that On The
principles Of Government annuities. Or some
sueh other principle. I should have every
man contribute to q society the moment he
y an adult, 10 hare semsshing for his old
age. The result Ia iueyitable. coming 40
this, that there ID large amount ~ mon
ey Deine raised In many parishes which ID
oeing carried swsy, and they are coming
oeing gos 10 the royalty each ye r, and the
owner VIII be left on the land shortly with
Al sns poor % pay, snd great part Of the
Lord Elcho--I-ft with the poor with
whom they have had nothing 70 do, you
mesnf Yes, the poor have been created
ana maintained there for . particular class.
ana then it falls back on the landowner TO
maintain the posr.
| And the class that made the poor may Do
10 America They may be in America.
They take their cash in their pockets and no
to de.msuy America, or anywhere else.
Earl Of Lieh6sld--Ten say that ii b de-
sirsbls that men should b compelled to pay
70 societies Of this description to keep them
OF the poor rates. Whes l ask yon how
you would guarantee the societies which
you compel people 70 belong to, you say
that il might be dcae by Government annui.
ties but that Is no argument in favor Of
making il compulsory to belong to Ordinary
friendly societies or trades union societies
isit would make il compulsory 10 this
way, that they should either belong TO some
public fund or to voluntary associasion
which would be solvent in It's character.
How would you secure Its solvency? By
proper laws for the purpose.
What do you call proper lawsp have
not made up my mind thoroughly on the de-
tails, but am quite satisfied that we are
going radically wrong.
In what respect In respect to nm in.
crease Of poor and . destruction Of human
life. ess-s y
As to your Scotch societies, a. under
stand you, there are no benefits attached to
yeur Scotch societies, TEey do not contrib
ute to any benehts--sick iist, or payment ut
death, or anything Of that kind Not a.
rule. In all the collisrs in Scotland there
are connected with them private societies Of
their own, and hence they never, in forming
unions, form them for those purposes.
The unions are truly for trade purposes
For trade purposes
Are there no unions in Scotland combin-
ing trade purposes and benefit purposes !?
Yes, OF the jeiners and carpenters, but Ii Is
the miners that refer to.
There are none among the mlnersf In
some places there 10 one, but not as rule.
The place OF the benefit fund 10 supplied bv
the workmen Of each colliery, having private
societies Of their own.
Lord Elcho--Tou have put In here what
10 called IAN Act to incorporate the Opera
tive Plasterer's Mutual Protective Benevo-
lent Trade Society Of New York"f Yes.
I see that the second section states the
objects. "The object and purpose Of said
acorporatica 10 for matual protection, the
"bur:al Of ito deceased members, the relief
"of the widows and orphans Of deceased
"members, and to promote harmony and CO.
soperstion of its members With your
knowledge Of this Act (and this, imagine,
10 only specimen Of other local Acts) ex-
isting in America, would it be possible un-
der this Act, at New York, to have union
precisely the same as . union here, raising
funds for trade purposes, that Is, for the
support Of men on strikef Il Is %, and
they can compel men. by an order Of court,
to pay into the soclety.
That is TO say, protection would be given
to those funds BY this Act, ard member Of
this trade society would be bound to con-
tribute for those purposes, and IL could be
enforced by Law il the registered directors
thought IL right that ne should do 90 That
is so, and the reason / brought that statute
with me In TO show that, If It is desired In
New York, and believe in other states Of
the Union, such society can apply for .
statute, and under that statute, a. q joint
stock company, you can sue your individual
members, and any other body or any other
individual can sue yon, and the trustees,
when they have made levy, can compel
their levy By an order Of court
Ohairman-That must depend upon the
deed Of association. You have not put 10
the deed of ASSOCIATION Of the Plastsrsrs' So
ciety? I have not the deed of association,
but can get it.
You will get one sample Of the deed 81
association that accompanies this ssztuts
Yes, win gst T. Ss
Earl Of Lieh6sld-lt doss NOT nsntioo In
this Act that they win gst relisf from ths
society while out Of smploymsntf No.
The witness withdrew.
The Lost Pocl<et-Book.
Several years ago gentleman residing I'm
CORTLAND street, went out early one morn-
ing for walk, and to gst ne breeze from
the river.
Whsn near Greenwich street he saw q
poeket-book % the sidewalk, and Of course