New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1868-07-13
THE IRISH CHURCH QUESTION.

The great debate on Mr.. Gladstone bill was
resumed in the House OF Lords the Goth Of june aud
terminated about 81 o'clock the morning OF the 5oh
The bill was Of course defeated indeed il thrown out
~ S for me b and the Bishop Of oSord
CHANCELLOR against, were marked by eNtfaofolhaiy am
h and eloquence The following Is a summary OF the
6bate: ,,.., -. ,,,,,-.u.
which abandoned rs party standard and from Lord
Grey, the type % crOcnety poiticl9nt uhe ttIr'eh
brought within the domain Of party questions out on the
region Of abstract speculation He deIendGu me bu on
the ground Of economy Of the iunds OF Ie II5n
TINS was rs object Members Of the other House VINO
had voted Tor the first resolution might Consistently mere
after vote against measure 81 oi.endoWinen anu feIs
who voted 0T this bin ID gt consistently NottcVeh AGAINST
any future measure Of dsestabilshmelt nor Nouo tL
bill Kill lt sh Church by lnches W means on COH.lHu,l
extensions IL would, ia all probability, insure speedy
compromise among religious parties IN lIelhu' tAu ~
all events could not be extended EitAont he consent on
this House As 20 is origin, be denied, while severely
rbukng Lord Derby for his parody OF mr. Slaastone
speech and opponents speeches IN general me c.sncy
Of the accusations nst the late Ministry Tor not hay-
Ig brought forward tins question Of the Ish ChufCh
while absorbed by question OF Reform; and he thought
that tie Fenan spracy though not connected uecy
with the Irish Church. most proper occasion Iof
the legislature 70 show that us conscience Hau DeeH
awakened rs 10 the necessity oi diminishing t udul-
The present Government as represented the Score
tay FOR Ireland (siuce he could not appreciate me
ing prOfessorships and endowing a University,
had Itself evnced sense OF the necessity
cupants Of the Episcopal bench with the esprit de corps
existing between an Established Churches had adopted
task forced the Liberal party And in the plan 10
had chosen he was convinced 1t had decided rightly IN
other objections the funds would have proved totally in
adequate-yH: lndiscrmnate religious endowment.
Their plan had been assailed violation Of the rights
OF property But the present question was one oi policy
not oil property IL was not even the IaGt that te pI
erty enjoyed by the Irish Church the property OF
corporation for 10 the property OF any number Of
separate corporations But, moreover the right 10 cor
10 private property and the state guided by con
science enlightened by reason, had perfect
fQd al Wit
other public lie himself public man. felt free,
bound the property OF this Church 70
It's uses and 10 take u from hagrany unjust use;
and believed Protestant though lac Of PTOestants,
that the interests OF Professionalism in Ireland would
The Bishop Of oxford read written broadly the
whole OF the Duke OF ArgyE courageous speech the u
lie Presbyterian" lie asserted that, whatever might
tbe exTediencv and Justice OF this he denied The cir
49, .i - di,t Cbu,cb ,yer. entirely uulikc
those Of the Irsh Church. nation OF ChuIch IN us
youth was the time OF endowments; but Church which
had once been endowed formed, as oh men, hdDIls
unfair I'm spite OF MI Surgeons congratulations
10 the Irish Church on us threatened iale, 10
ment 10 an unequal conflict with religious bodies which
had hot been endowed. He maintained that 10 COINS
cate Tho porety of the Irish Church. which was still the
Ch1rch Of ST. Patrick would besides beng unjust TO the
Ireland tsef and would be 20 aot the penalty before
Hllottipg the blane-blame which, when the accounts
fairly up would be found 70 attach rst OF all
TO the English Government which had BOulter, Spen
Ger. Swift proved made the Irish Church the meanest
instrument of our nsrule He urged, finally, the reec
tOn Of this measure as what might be- he would repeat
represented az an attempt buy OF assasslns; as uai
since 10 made the Itsh Church the states whpphgDoy
a. inexuedept and neratefu since II would deprive Ire
land Of the intelligent and energetc class OF the
community; ana a scheme which would, IN deIcIence
70 the sentimental grievance which persons ie al te
Possession property by their DeigborH endagef the
highest religious and political interests OF inc coun ~
Lord shaftcsbuTy yehementy opposed 10 the uses
iabhshment Of the Irish Church. He. moreover cor
dered the bill feeble, me8ger and insignnednt Bu ne
feared that It's rejection the OF eiectloI gh
be used 70 induce feeling that the House was opposed
70 full INJURY on tins subject and might thus prove III
Ills iueufOH out regard 10 the opinion OF friends, Vi
taxing no part IA the division ,
Lord Russell Of opinion that great art had been used
IN avoiding the real question at issue, aud IN throwing
dirt opponents, and he drew parallel between the
political conduct Of certain former members OF the
houses Of Russell and Stanley. Passing hghtly 10y Cd
iettOBs 10 the bill on points OF detail, Wihch mshi DC
easily corrected iu Committee ana ihe bdNhbtafto al
legged accrue lelaHd FROM the presence OF the clergy
~ body Of resident gentry lie cOnteuded ta tbe lsh
Church not only failed in promoting religion ana mo
faly, which were tie only true objects Ol Chuci Dut
worked great harm by keeping among Tic peVe Tue
feeling 81 an inequality Tb might Indeed nave Dee hs
enaged had bf Pits pledge given az the Union pcen i
was imperahvey demanded He himself at one time
had thought but he thought lOngct that an chdoN
lheht Oi tie other religious bodies In Ireland wOud ps
shHcent The Conservative party iD this House apealc"
ready 70 reject the measure Of relief which TINS OH con
sibed, Notwithstanding il approval by majority OF me
House OF COmmOns but he warned tben by reference 60
tbe ifeCedeBfs Of The Catholic Relief Corn Law Repeal
ADJ Reform BIis. that II this bill rejected blls
noad Ne sent NJ rom the other House by still increasing
Da)ores the hi establishment aud abandonment OF
'he iak Ministry IN not having undertaken measure