The New York herald., 1868-06-09

Mr.. HOLMAN made the point Of order that as the
resolution referred to Communication the commu-
The sPEAKER overrued the point of order as the
paper had not been received by the House. and re-
marked that the paper IN question was not now in
! his hands, having been handed over to member OF
the House who was authorized by the counsel Of Mr..
Mr. BURR, (dem.J of Ill.,, inquired whether there
waa any way for Mr.. WOoey to purge himself except
by the mercy OF the two members OF the committee,
The SPEAKER replied that the States were called
for resolutions every Monday as they had been I. to-
day. and that such resolution might then De onered
as matter Of right by any member whose state was
called.
Mr.. ELDRIDGE. (dem.) of Wis.,, suggested that that
would be deprlving citizen OF his liberty for one
week without an opportunity for redress. :. T.,
contempt Of the House he has no right to make any
communication to the House except simply 10 say
that ne Is ready and willing to testify as ne was or
itself against arguments and statements OF the wit
ness counsel who were now on the floor OF the House
against the rules OF the House, and with the Pres
dents private secretary consulting with members
on the other side to how this matter could be got
o Fhe 70 obeet Of this moVs
ment was to get thirty or forty pages Of NATTER pre-
pared by this perjured, defaulting, contemptuouS
and contemplate witness, published in the Globe.
He asked the Speaker whether the paper had been
The sPEAKER said 1t had been
| Mr.. BuTLER-Wel, that shows the utter contempt
| that the House would not receive the paper 1t il
| taken away while the matter Is pending, and thus
| this House OF Representatives, representing the
nation, Is played with, hour by hour, by those con-
sprators who are illegally on the floor, undertaking
to bring our proceedings into contempt;
Mr.. BROOKS raised The question OF order on the use
OF the words about consprators on the noor OF the
| House.
Mr.. BuTLER-I said illegally on the floor of the
| House.
Mr.; BRooks-The Presidents private secretary is
here legally on the floor Of the House, and the cOun
| sci for the witness are here legally.
The words objected to having been written out by
the GLOBE reporter and read ut the Clerks desk the
|
is by the rules OF the House. authorized to be on the
floor Of the House. He had just presented message
present The counsel for the witness, II not ex-
members Of Congress, were not legally on the aoor
presence. The only remaining point was as
to the word "consprators." The Speaker doubted
order OF the House could be regarded as cOnspira-
tors 1t was Their duty as attorneys to defend @ their
well known by the profession and which the
Speaker would not attempt to limit.
! Mr.. BUTLER-HOw many private secretaries OF the
President have q right on this hoOrP
The Observation-Disclosures one is acting at the
time asprvate secretary:
Mr.. BUrLER-Then did not refer to any man act
Ing as the Presidents private secretary It was to
Mr.. W. W. Warden, shorthand writer to the Presi-
| After some further discussion OF this point Mr..
MILLER moved that Mr.. Butter be allowed to proceed
Mr.. BUTLER said he did not care to proceed, and
he moved the previous question on the resolution
by Mr.. Butler was not in order. inasmuch az it
sought to change the rules of the House. He said he
made the objection without any excitement and
with desire for anything but justice to anybody,
no matter how wicked or bad he might be. The
resolution proposed that any communication coming
from w, WOoey to the Speaker should not be pre-
sented to the House, but should be referred to COM
mittee for examination. The objection to the resou-
1t could not deprive the Speaker representa-
tive Of the State Of Indiana from presenting petitions
| communications and letters to the House. In the
next place it was out of order because could not
take away from the Speaker that supervision which
pss naT e sSs obc % OF e resolution as he T
hended was to say that nothing disrespectful to the
House should be presented. lie did not know what
the paper was, but that was not before the House.
What was before the House was the general PROPOSE
ton contained in the resolution that the Speaker
should no longer be trusted with exercising dis
| cretionary power to determine what papers were
proper to 60 upon the journal of the House. 1t
struck him that that was a change OF the rule ad-
verse to the right of petition. The Speaker over
ruled the point Of order, because, by sustaining It,
1t would prevent the Speaker himself from present
| ing any petition from his constituents
Mr. JONES' (dem.) OF KY, raised the point Of order
| whether any member mad a right to use such words
as 'thls perjured, contemptuous and contemplate
The SPEAKER overruled the point of order on the
ground that 1t not made at the time the words
were spoken and could not now be entertained.
Mr. GARFIELD ep Of Ohio inquired % tr'ss whether all
would not come under the resolution, and whether
the House, according to the resolution, would have
| any possession whatever OF the paper that Mr.
WoOley might send TO it unless the Committee OF
Investigation should see 1t to allow the House to
have It'll II he understood the resolution Mr.. Wooey
| could not get any communications to the House with
out the permission Of tie committee. II that was
| its meaning he desired to know 1t.
| Mr.. BUTLER-ln the first place no communication
| or WoOley comes to the Speaker.
Mr.. GARFIELD-They go to the SergeanatArmsP
Mr.. BUTLER-No, sir. shat Is all settled long and
| long ago. The second point which the gentleman
| makes is founded on like mistake OF the facts. The
resolution only requires those communications that
placed by Mr.. WoOey or his counsel in the hands
Of the Speaker for the purpose OF being presented to
morning communication OF thirty long pages was
presented to the Speaker to be gwen to the House
The House does more IN this instance than 1t has
done In every instance heretofore-that is to say,
that it will make such disposition OF all
but gentlemen all to have overlooked this great
matter. The gentleman from OHIO tMr. Schenck)
says that we Interfere with the right Of petition.
Here is a person in the hands OF the House in
tempt Of the House. and he has no right to make any
comuneat,on whatever , TO tne aouse e. except by
win let you, although In contempt, make commu
nication to the House IN certain manner and in no
Mr.. ELDRrDGE asked Mr.. Butler to yield the floor
The vote was taken and the resolution was agreed
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Mr. ELpRIDGE moved to suspend the rules for the
purpose of receiving the petition OF Mr.. q. w.
WoOey, which he said completely purges MIN OF the
contempt in which he stands and which would
satisfy the House that he ought TO be discharged.
Mr.. BUTLER desired TO make point OF order, and
ask whether that was the same paper which had
been in the Speakers hands.
The SPEAKER informed Mr.. Butler that he must
first state his point OF order.