The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1868-06-10

| On mutton OF Mr. tpa the oruer OF the day
was taken up.
ORDER OF THE DAr.-Section of an act to
promote ocean steam navigation was in order.
House went into Committee of the Whole.
Mr.. Boyd in the Chair.
The amendment Of II. II. W. c. Lunalilo to in
sert the word Priry" in the place of "a Cabi-
net " was under discussion yesterday, and was
taken up.
Mr.. Ups said that the bill provided for Civ
ing $50, ,000 to foreign steamers, and that bonds
were to be issued BY the ssvernment, and after
long time paid. That would eventually re-
suit in trouble to the government. Interest
was to be paid upon the bonds and they would
be government debt, and so. after a while,
the Ministers would demand interest upon
their salaries. The trouble would be that for
eigners would get the aseendency in the
Islands, and cause trouble to all the people
The benefits of the steam line had been stated
LIST. that the country would be honored by
their coming here. I'd, that produce would
meet a ready sale.
H. II. W. c. Lunalilo moved to pass the
second section with the amendments.
Mr.. Mahelona moved to amend by inserting
after the rate of per cent. the words not
more than per cent, or less than 6 per cent"
Lost.
H. Il. Lunalilo's amendment was put and
carried.
Mr.. Pilipo showed by statistics how much
the subsidy would cost. And he said that
there could be no doubt that the whole thing
would be a source of evil to the people. He
reeapitulated the various arguments that had
been adduced both for and against the bill,
andforcibly showed that it should not be pass
ed. One thing he said was, that although
large amounts Of money might be given to the
King and government officers, it was no rea-
son for throwing away a heavy sum like $50
600. If he had but one pair of shoes, should
he give them to his rich friend and go bare
footed2 The money should be laid out upon
internal Improvements, and he called upon the
members to support rejection of the bill.
H. II. W. c. Lunalilo called upon the
members to withdraw opposition TO the bill.
Let it pass the second reading, and then reject
it upon the third reading.
Mr.. Nakila thought that the cases of the
King, Ministers, and the steamers were not
synonymous and should not be adduced. The
member for North kona had evidently not
peid much attention to the facts in the case,
for if he had, he could not but see that we
should pay out one dollar and get back two.
He favored the passage of the second section
and the whole bill.
Mr.. HOpu opposed the second section and
the whole bill. He thought the action of the
law would be to bind the country to a foreign
company for a long period. He said that
those sitting here at present would not have
TO bear the burden Of part of the money, but
the descendants of the present generation
He had failed 10 see any reason yet why the
subsidy should be passed. If it could be
shown that the benefits to the country by the
steamers for two years would equal the good
that might be done with the large amount of
money to be paid in twenty-five years, then
be would vote for the passage of the bill. He
had heard that the votes of members could be
bought, and he was afraid that If the bill pass
ed, the House would be branded as worthless
money-seekers- The only way that such an
imputatiOn could be escaped would be to vote
fairly and according to the merits of rhe case.
He did not think that time was lost by the dis
eussion. He was surprised that the House
should advocate paying the S5O, 900, and then
ray an enormous interest. The bonds would
tie the country hand and foot, and very few, if
any, benefits would result.
Mr.. Koakanu began to discuss the general
merits Of the bill.
Mr.. PilipO called the gentleman to order.
The matter under discussion was the financial
view.
Mr.. kOakanu said he had right to discuss
the whole bill, and he should. Yesterday the
first section was passed and there was no use
VI tAl4s 4tuk anu tiIceOLue 0eDale. SeCIlO0 urst
was the trunk of the tree and all the rest were
branches. He thought that the Ministers rep
resented the King and they favored the pas
sage Of the bill. If the King was to say be
objected to the passage of the bill, he, the
member for koloa and Lihue, would also op-
pose the passage Of the bill. The members
must vote according TO their convictions not
according ts the wishes Of their constituency.
he supported the motion of II. Il. W. c. Lu-
nalilo to pass the bill with amendments.
Mr.. Lyons objected to passing Section of
the bill. If bonds were to be issued, let it be
IN public buildings to be built, and let the
80 geo be paid out in one sum-
The ayes and noes were called. Question to
pass End Section. with the amendments was
passed. Ayes,-Their Ex. Naholelua, Kanoa,
DOminis, Hutchison, de Yarigny, Phillips,
Hons Bishop, Kalakaua, Kamakau, Kahanu,
aumahoa, Keliipio, Jones, NakiIa, Nahaku,
aaiu, Rhodes, Makalena, Keawehunahala,
kOakanu, and KAnkaha-22.
NOes-rH. H., Lunalilo Hons, Kaeo, Upa,
Hitchcock, Lyons, Halemanu, Pilipo, Martin,
H0pu, Kaiue, Wood, Royd, c. H.
Judd, Wilder, Knudsen, and A. F. Judd-17.
Motion that the title and preamble pass was
aTried.
Motion to pass the bill as whole was passed.
Ayes and noes being called, affirmative 22. |
legstive Il.
Committee rose, report approved, and bill /
rdered to engrossmeat.
A bill to provided for permanent settle
nent for Her Majesty Queen Kalama was read I
His Ex- s. H. Phillips moved to reconsider 1
be action Of the House on the Subsidy, and /
lie hoped all would vote against bis motion.
Mr.. A. F. Judd was glad that such sharp /
raetiee should be introduced by the other 4
ide, so that they might bear the criticism of /
ne new method at the time Of the motion to 1
Indefinitely postpone the report Of the Com
nittee on Commerce, which was passed by
Ote Of p to Il, if that mode Of practice had
cen introduced, the House would have been
ayed this long discussion.
Mr.. Hitchcock asked If amendments could
c introduced upon the third reading Chair
uled that they could.
Motion to reconsider vas lost
H. H. LuDalil0 moved Committee Of the
: hole on the bill for Queen Kalama's settle
,ent- Motion lost.
Mr.. c. Il. Judd said that the Committee.
hen they had risen before, had asked permis-
on which was granted, and he had a few
lizgs to say upon the matter. Therefore be
loved again that the House 20 into Committee,
hieh was carried
Mr.. Mahelona called to the chair
Mr. C. II. Judd said that Queen Kalsma
zd received her dover from the Crown Lands
esides s., 900 out Of the Government funds.
le had copy Of part Of the viii Of His Ma
'sty, N which some lands we're granted to
En- She refused to receive those lands be-
Lnse she bad right to other lands fixed upon
sr At the time Of her marriage with the King. II
J, 600 year was granted 70 her By Kameha-
cha " In lieu Of the lands which she wish
J. Some Of those lands were left her by her
fher, and some By Haalileo- As the subject
as disputed one, he thought It would be
Zht for the Hoase in consideration Of her
aiEing all rights Of dover, to fx upon her
ornament settlement. II had been said that
le received an income from the Wakzhalulu