The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-02-19

sos second the previous question but let the matter be
uscusseo particularly after the challenge thrown down
py tas gentleman from Missouri (hr. Loan) The bill
nso essa opposed and opposed successfully the
had'bsfors him an estimat. showing that the bill
would o Soss IN the sssresa Sl72.o $1,000.
estimate made ia regard to totally different bill
| bill 70 pension all the survivors and their widows.
The previous question then seconded
Mr. MmLER being entitled TO an hour to close the dis
cussion, yielded to Mr. LOAN Who in response co
question by Mr.. Baker, said it was utterly impossible
to state the precise amount that would DO paid for
pensions under the BILL but from the lufor nation
accessible to the committee, IL would not exceed
$2000,O00 = year. The statement Of the gentleman
from Illinois (Mr. wsshburne, absurdy in.
correct that was perfectly amazing how he could be
induced to make IT, That statement sa included all
on the supposion that the average length Of life
Of the benencaries would be twelve years
Mr.. wAsusURss defended the statement which he had
Mr. PAINE, rep, Of Wis. asked at what time the
pensions were to c0mmencef
Mr.. LOAN replied that they would commence from
the time Of the application under the bill
Mr. PAINE asked whether there Was any objection to
make that point moro GEAR and definite IN the bill
Mr. LOAN said there was whatever. There was
NO timc fixed in the bill, and therefore under tho
general law Was dependent on the date OF the app-
cation.
Mr. WAsHBuRxr (rep) Of Ind, expressed his surprise
that any opposition SHOULD be made 70 this bill by any
OF those who had appropriated $4,000 this morning TO
go hunting over Europe for paupers 70 be brought back
to this country.
dvOcacy
Messrs Logan Burr, Bepoa, Mullins Lawrence tOhio,
Bromwell, Pruyn. O'Neill and Miller
NJ MULLINS, trep.l Of Tenn, ridicued tho economy
OF Mr. Washburne, Of Illinois and said that when he re
turned to ILLINOIS the old soldiers would dig mole for
him and bury him in 1t.
Mr. PEuYN, (demD OF NJ Y. gave II as his impression
that there not 20 600 survivors of the class pro-
vided for the bill and remarked that II all these were
entitled to pensions, the whole annual cost would not
exceed two aud half millions.
Mr.. O'NELL expressed the opinion that there would
not be 5000 applicants under the bill
M nj IN hn fact hat e
had been assaed by almost ali who had spoken in sup
port Of the bhl and particularly by the gentleman from
House have opportunity Of investigating the mat
| ter When the gentleman from Tennessee mad been
be- time enough tor him TO make such a remark.
He had always been In favor Of sustaining the soldier
and giving him bounty and pension; but there were
other people who had rights rs well Us the soldiers OF
1872 He thought the soldiers in the lae rebellion had
some rights and the aboring people of tho country
who were furnishing and crying for broad had some
rights. He had not even stated that he "oud voto
against The bill, aud did not kno" but what he should
vote for it, naaSh'or He had wanted Information in
but his constituents had never failed to sustain him,
because he mad never msreDrcssned their interests or
| their convictions.
Inc discussion beng closed the bill was passed with.
| outa division.
| WASHINGTON CITY CHARTER.
The SPEAKER presented resolutoIS0f the Washington
Common Council in reference to The city charter
| referred to the Committee on the DISTRICT OF
Columbia
PETITIONS.
Mr. BROOKS tdem.) oil N. Y, presented the petition oil
persons employed in teiesraphing for tho removal o.
the income tax, which was referred 10 the COMMITTEES
| on Ways ind Means.
Mr.. VAN WICK, (rcp.) of N Y, presented the petition
OF citizens of Walden, Orange county, N. y, for the 70
ducon OF the government expenses and the removal
the necessares which was referred TO the Com
| mtee on Ways aud Means
| Mr. WARD, lrep) Of N Y, presented petition from
three hundred citizens OF Horneisyhle, Y, ior 49,
define the status of naturazcd citizens abroad AM
to compel foregu governments to re,p,ct their rights
which referred TO The Committee on Foreign ArS
THE LEGISLATIVE AND EXECUTIVE APPROPRIATION BILL
The House then, at half past two o'cucs, went mt
Committee of Whole tho state OF the Union, viii
Ar Wilson, Of Iowa, 10 the CHAIR aud resumed IN
consideration Of me Legislative Executive and Judca
Appropriation bill, the question being on Mr.. Donnelly
amendments TO insert itoms for the Department .
| Education.
and Boutwell,. in favor Of and hleSsrs HARDING ant
WOODWARD against the amendment. The amendnen
| was reected-4l TO 20.
| Mr. DAWES lrepl OF Mass, made tho point OF orde
the Inai clause Of the bill limiting tho employees
various dep rlments to the number sp Cited III In
bill and repeating all conflicting acts 1no only objec
ton that ~ was independent Legislation.
| Tho CHAIRMAN SUSTAINED the point OF order and tn
| clause stricken out
| Tho Committee and reported the bill.
| Mr.. WAsHouRSE. Of H., offered a. an amendment /
the House the clause which mad been
Mr. DAWES made the same pornC OF order, intimate
tina. his object was to save the Department OF Educ'
zion.
The SPEAKER sustained II.
Mr. wAsHBuRSE then modified the amendment
omittng the repeating portion OF It and by limiting Y
int
The House seconded the previous question on the b
| and pending amendment
| Mr. WAsHBuaAE said would not press action on Il
| bill this evening.
| RELIEF or EXPORTERS
Mr.. ScHEacK, trepl OF 0hlo, introduced bill for tn
relief Of certain exporters OF distilled sprits Re ere
| 10 the Committee on Ways and Means
| STATE DEPARTMENT CONTINGENT FuSD.
On motion OF Mr.. S0Escg, the Secretary OF State wa
directed 10 furnish Information In reference 70 the COZ
tngent fund Of his department, and then at half pa
| four O'Clock the House adjourned.