Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1868-01-23
TELEGRAMS TO THE STAR.
This Afternoons Dispatches.
THE JOHNSON.GRANT IMBROGLIO.
A VERSION OF 1T VIA NEW YORK.
What the President said-What General
Grant said-W nat General sherman
said-W nat the abiuet said.
Especial Dispatch 70 the Starl

Especial Dispatch TO the Start
NEW YORK, Jan. 23.-The lowing appears
in the Washington dispatches Of the New York
World, of to-day:
WAsHINGToN, Jan. 22.-The question of vera
city that has been raised between President
Johnson and Gen. Grant in certain journals
,ompels your correspondent TO make known
tie following facts, which confirm his original
statement 10 the World. and which not only the
President himself, but four of the most promi-
nent members OF his Crbinet, will positively
vouch for:
Just after the formal meeting of the Cabinet
on January IL, the article from the National In
tUigeKeer of the 18th was read in presence of
the President and the aforementioned mem
bers of the Cabinet. The statements made i'm
that artlcle-Which were substantially those
hlegraPhed after an interview with Mr.. John
son by the correspondent of the World-were
agreed 10 by the President and all the Secreta-
lies present; but the objection was made that
they fell short OF what actually occurred dur
1ith instant.
The first Secretary or member Of the Cabinet
present at the meeting on January II referred
to, observed that Gen Grant ackpowledc.d
that he Gen. Grant, had promised either 10 re-
tain the offce or tender his resignation in time
TO enable the President to appoint a successor
He tGen. Grant, said his opinion al the time
was that the 'ins must stay in until the outs
could get in by due course of law. make a
full record of what occurred here on Tuesday,
The second Secretary said ssThe Secretary's
ment, excepting that it is more full ~
Whereupon the first Secretary said ssYes. il
gives much more detailed account of what
occurred here. Speaking of his withdrawal
from the war Department., Grant said that he
bolted one door of the Secretary's Office ON the
inside, locked the other and delivered the kew 10
the AdJutant General. He did not profess to
know what transpired afterwards"
The second Secretary added sit is not AT all
surprising that he (Grant) did not recollect
he was evidently too much confused to remem-
Der much"
Then the third Secretary remarked .ue
(tITant) said that the discussion i'm the papers
had caused him to look over the law and
he had found trouble in the second and first
sections. He (Grant) remarked, that he did not
wish to be subjected to imprisonment and fine:
when the President replid: why. told you
General, that / would take all the imprison.
ment and pay all the fines that might be i'm
posed upon you.'"
The first Secretary continued: "He [meaning
Grant admitted ALL and made a stammering
excuse that mad In 1t no intelligibility. He ad-
mitted that when the interview terminated Sat
urday he was to have seen the President Nom
day upon the subject"
The second Secretary now Observed sHe
the President was to be notified in season 10
enable the President to put the office in the
same position as it was when he IGrantl was
appointed Secretary dd interim"
The third Secretary then proceeded To saw.
1.-The President SAID TO General Grant II ex
pected TO see you Monday; why did Won not
occupied by General Sherman and many little
Matters"
The second Secretary amended as follows
81 think he was engaged in the preparations
necessary 10 an abdication of the War Office
The fourth member of the Cabinet present
declared "And the fact was developed that
General Sherman was here on Monday
The President now pertinently said: .sOu Sat
urday, when he g rant referred to the tenure of
office act told him that 1 would take all the
imprisonment and pay all the fines that might
be imposed upon him under its provisions
When he rose TO leave the room / repeated the
remark; for / wanted to know whether or not
he intended to hold on to the Office; designing
to relieve him if it was his purpose TO Weld
The fourth member of the Cabinet went on 10
say TO the President: son Tuesday Won told
him that was the object OF your conversation
with him on saturday"
The second Secretary spoke "He freferr,np
to Grant.) did what expected he would do !"
The fourth Cabinet member continued after
tee Secretary: ~ did not suppose a man occu-
pying his position would SO preyaricate IYour
correspondent deems it best to omit the stronger
terms employed by the speaker to denote his
evident disgust at what he conceived TO be the
bad faith Of General Grant,
The third Secretary said: s.My idea is that
ne supposed the Senate would act on SATURDAY.
and he intended to carry over the President
until Monday. The Senate not having acted
then, ne did not come TO see the President Mon
day, not wishing to see him until the whole
thing had been consummated."
The President finished the onversation as
follows: II desired TO know what he f(SeneraI
Grant) would do; and did not think that he
could have so misunderstood the agreement"
Your correspondent, having Communicated
not merely In substance, but literally, the dia-
logue upon this subject which took place at the
White House on Friday last between the Chief
Executive and his Cabinet ad yisers, has merely
10 OBSERVE in conclusion, that the signatures of
all who rendered the testimony would doubt
less be affixed TO it if it should be officialIy de-
sired. LBS,