The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1868-05-16

SESSION OF 1865
TwENrY-sEcoND DAY, May

non. = pa pfcschtei u pctiuou from fiiio, hsklbR
that certain fishing grounds at waiakea, Hiio, be
open To all. Tabled.
Hon. {. j. Lyons presented a petition from the
soldiers, praying that their pay be increased to $40
a month, and that the Legislature FIX their pay in
stead of the officers of the army.
On motion of MIR. Hitchcock, this and all other
petitions from the same source were referred to n
Special Committee, consisting of Messrs. Hitchcock,
Pilipo, keiipio, Koakanu and Gov. Dominis.
Hon. }. w. keawehunahala, Chairman of the Com
mittee To whom was referred the ball to reduce the
horse tax, reported that in their opinion the act could
be very properly amended, and in view thereof they
asked permission of the House to introduce "a new bill,
to be considered in the House tomorrow. Bill pre-
scented and made the order of the day for tomorrow.
Hon. W. I. Martin read for the first time a bill in
regard To the marriage of lepers-that is, if a hus-
band, being a leper, is torn from his better half, said
better half shall lie allowed to enter into a matrimonial
alliance with some other party in consequence of the
withdrawal of her lawful spouse by reason of being
stricken with ~leprosy, and vice versa. Bill passed
to its second reading
Hon. 5. ii. Phillips moved to the order of the day.
Motion lost.
Hon. T.. Jones read for the first time an Act to
authorize the Minister of the Interior to appoint a
Registrar of Conveyances for Lahaina. The bill
passed to its second reading i'll due course.
On motion the House took up the Appropriation
Bill. -
Hon J. w. Keawehunahala moved a reconsidera-
ton of the appropriation for the salary of the Second
tlerk oil the supreme Court, anu tnat IL DC raised 10
$4,000. After considerable debate, it was decided to
adhere to the amount voted, s 400. ssifaf s
Item-the salary of the Minister of Foreign Affairs
$4,000. Motion to amend to $4,000 another
to 81 900.
Hon. c. j. Lyons said that this House was forced
to meet the parties whose salaries were to be acted
upon face to face-this was not right. But as it was,
he hoped every one would act independently, and not
let the presence of those whose salaries are to be con-
sidered interfere with their minds, but to act as cour-
teously as possible under the circumstances In his
opinion this Government was an expensive one, and
tar too expensive for its size. His opinion, as well Us
those of all sound thinking men in the community,
was that the salaries of the Ministers were by far
too high. The Secretary of State of the United States
only received $4 900 and his clerk s., 900, and does
the Minister of Foreign Affairs do as much as he?
Not by q great deal. So let us pay these men &C
cording to their works. The speaker was in favor of
making a liberal allowance to the Chiefs of the peo-
pie, as they should be distinguished from the lower
classes, and if the people wanted it he was in favor
of such allowance. He spoke of the appropriations
for war, as compared with that for education, and
thought the former far too much and the latter too
little, and cited foreign nations in comparison with
this, and the more extensive expenditures of this
Government as compared with them He was in
favor of IS 5000.
Hon. G.. Rhodes said that Mr.. Lyons had cited the
pay of authorities in the United States, but had made
no mention of those officers near the thrones IN
Europe. In Great Britain, he said, the pay of Min
listers and high officials amounted to as high as
$4,000, and the acts of our Ministers were as i'm
portant to us as those CT the officers of Great Britain
were to that Kingdom, and this House should follow
the example of those Governments conducted in the
SAME manner. The salary of the Ministers should be
5000, as it was the Kings wish, and the House
should have some respect for these people who are
his companions. The House has acted literally to-
wards His Majesty, and ought to do so to His Minis
tiers, as they are not only his companions, but re-
sponsible for all acts of the Government, and they do
all they can for the benefit of the Government 1t is
worth the salary to stand the abuse that is launched
upon them weekly from n portion OF the press of
Honolulu. These gentlemen, although the COM
panions of His Majesty, were but the servants of the
country, and if the Government wants good servants
they must pay them well but in his opinion the
Ministers did not get enough. The salaries ought
not to be reduced, rs ii cost more to live here than
in more ~populous countries Should the present
Ministry resign, the Government could get others to
fill their places and Mt less pay, but what would be-
come of the country!
Hon. Mr.. Wilder was not in favor of any reduc-
ton, as il cost the Minister of Foreign Relations all
of his salary To i live here. He was in favor of n re-
duction of many items under this department, but
the salary Of the Minister should be kept at $4,000,
because if it was not worth that it was not worth
anything. He wished the Assembly To distinctly I'M
derstand that he was not hoyiiiaeaai to the Ministry.
Hon. d.. Kaukaha was in favor of the reduction to
SS, 900, as he did not consider that the Minister of
Foreign Affairs did work enough to warrant the ap-
preparation of $4,000.
Hon. L. +. Koakanu was in favor of the reduction.
and said that the Minister of Foreign Relations, dur
ing the time that the French kicked up a row here.
and when LOru GeOrHe TOOK away the nag bI the !
country and supplied its place with the English flag
during all the piIisid the Ministers had small pay
and did a great deal of work. If the Minister could
not entertain with n reduced salary. perhaps the
House would vote n special appropriation for enter
Hon. f. ii. Boyd was in favor of the salary as in
the budget, as il was the express wish of the King
that his Ministers should be paid $4,000 n year, and
was Judge of the requirements of these Ministers
if it was not the King.
His Highness W. c. Lunalilo was very much op-
posed to- the remarks of the last speaker, and in his
opinion there was not the slightest reason why the
present Ministry should receive 5000 a year. The
House at its last session passed the sum of 5000 at
the Kings request, but not ut his order. lie sup
the motion to increase the Prvy Purse of
His Majesty To S45. 600. and in his opinion that was
enough for all purposes and entertainments. Who
are these distinguished persons to be entertained that
We should give the Minister n large sum of money
10 spend cxtravagantly Only Prince Alfred, and
he amount appropriated for the King was adequate
or all such demands. lie was strongly in favor of
the salaries of the Minister to $4,000 year
His Highness VI. kekuanaoa asked the Mobiles and
representatives who was ready to accept the positio"
# Minister under the Crown lie did not see any
# either party stand up and say aye. lie was IN
avor of voting $4,000.
Hon. Z. Nahaolelua was in favor of the item as in
he bill
Hon. L. + Koakanu arose to answer the question
nut by His Highness NJ. Kekuanaoa, and to advance
till further his reason for reducing the salaries of
he Ministers, and stated that he had no animosjty
the Ministry, but was doing what he consid-
red his duty. and aiding the wish of his constituents.
Ie cautioned the Mobiles from being abusive. as all
hey received was from the people, and It the people
NV that they were getting too fat by their allowance
hey would soon cut them down. 9
Hon. {. K Bishop said that it was the request of
lis Majesty. ut the last session, to place the salary
& S6.oO0 but after some discussion the sum hxci d,
Ipon was $4,000. lie himself opposed the sum If
n. Oee, but was in favor of $1,000, and was to-day ,
n favor Of that sum. and should oppose any measure d
ID reduce the salaries OF the Minister'S, as in his opIn-
IN 5.o1D was little enough.
Previous question moved. and passed. at : lo.0oo- .
- ayes against II usys-as follows !