The spirit of democracy. [volume] (Woodsfield, Ohio) 1844-1994, 1868-04-21

stanton was not going to give up the Wal
office, or such was witnesses opinion :
Did not show him Stanton's letter. Die
not think it necessary. What he said t.
Wilkinson about applying to Genera
lGrant was only boasting. What he sait
Ito Burleigh about breaking down th'
ldoors he felt inclined TO do. Changet
his mind on this subject before he wa
Iarrested. The arrest did not produce th'
Ichange iu his intent to use force. Wa
lin reverse of the Presidents order.--
Never expressed to the President his De
lief he could not obtain possession with
out force. Suggested to the Presiden
THAT the best way to Ger poss ssion Of fh'
papers and mails was by issuing an or
der through General Grant. The Presi
Idsnt has never said anything to him
iabout his published expressions. The
President has not acted on his suggestion
Iof how to obtain possession, Of the pa
lpers. Had admitted before the House
lcommittee that Karsener's testimony wat
lcorrec., but explained he used the words
Iplayfully.
/ Cross examination concluded.
4 Adjourned at $40.
i WASHINGTON, April11.
| A motion of the Impeachment Man
layers, that the Court allow as many OF
the Managers and counsel to take part
lin the Gual arguments, was objected to,
and lays over till Monday.
General Thomas examination was con-
ltinued. He explained that the President
INSTRUCTED him to take charge, not to
take possession of the War Office. He
asseuted to the general correctness OF
Burleigh's testimony before the House
committee.
Cross examined by Mr.. Butler-Was
positive the President only told him to
take charge Of the War Office. Admit
| ted calling Karzner liar. Never said
s.we will have the fellow out if it
sinks the ship" Has not talked with
General Townsend and others about his
testimony given yesterday. He correct-
ed certain portions of his testimony CIV
en- before the Congressional committee.
General w. T. Sherman was called
He testified that he arrived in Wash.
ington on the 4th of December last, and
remained two months, coming here on
business connected with the Indian Com
| mission. About the middle of Decem-
Der he was assigned to duty on the board
to revise the army articles. He had sew
eral interviews with the President regard
ing the difficulties before and after Mr..
Stanton's. removal.
Mr.. Stanbery asked-What converse
ton took place between you and the
President on the 14th day of January in
regard to Mr.. Stanton's removal?
The Managers objected,
j Chief Justice Chase ruled that the
question was admissible, and decision
| by the Senate was called for, but before
] the yeas and nays were taken, Mr.. Stan.
4 berry said he regarded the testimony
sought to be introduced as of vital i'm
portance to the case. and went on to re.
/ mind the court that the Managers had In
! troduced much testimony in effortto raise
la presumption Of criminal intent on the
i part of the President, testimony which
i occurred months before the 2lst of Feb
4 ruary, and argued that the counsel had
an equal right to bring forward rebut
ting testimony in order to prove thu
| lPresident's honest intent. In support o
! his position he quoted at some length
] of the State trials of Hardy and Lore
4 Gordon, and claimed that the decisions
| then made were precedents to determine
present questions.
j Mr.. Butler rejoined, saying that the
| Managers in attempting to introduce Mr.
! Cooper's testimony, sought to prove tina
the acts we're not conversations. In tht
course Of his remarks he referred to Gen
eral Thomas as weak, ,vacilating old man
|pampered by little pride and lit to be I
sttool. He said counsel had tried to IN
4 huence the Senate by reading simple ar
Iguments of lawyers and claiming then
las authority, and this attempt he charac
ltefized as Ut professional.
! Mr.. Stanbery called on the Chief jus
ltice to put stop to such aspersions o.
his conduct, stating that he read argu
ments only in explaining decisions made
4 Mr.. Butler resumed and spoke q
/ length with more than usual yehemence
arguing that the rules of evidence re
ffected on Mr.. Stanbery and Genera
Thomas, and claiming in conclusion tha
Senators were law unto themselves.
i Mr.. Evarts quoted from the records
of this trial to show that Mr.. Butler hat
assumed tbe same position and done th'
same things that he now denounced al
: unprofessienal. When he finished tht
Senate took recess of 15 minutes.
! On reassembling, Mr.. Wilson reat
! from the report of Hardy, said that th'
position taken by Mr.. Butler was cor
rect, and insisted that the declaration o
the President might have been made
solely with the purpose of conceailng Its
,lintent. The effect Of putting Mr.. Stan
2 ton out would have been to preyen
him from applying to the Courts, SO
I Edeeision coulo not be reached.
I The Chief Justice restated his opinion
that the question was admissible unde
the ruling of yesterday, because, lik,
that asked yesterday, its purpose was t.
elicit testimony regarding the intent Q
the President. A conversation oteur
ring shortly before the commission OF al
act was as admissible as that concern
{. ing one which took place afterwards
even more SO.
i The yeas and nays were then takel
: and resulted in % to 2S. So the ques
-ition was not allowed.