The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-12-10


Mr.. BRooHAIL took his position at the Clerks desk
to read his resolution.
Mr.. RANDALL made q point OF order that his col
league must speak from his own desk.
lhe SPEAKER overrued the point OF order ana,
Mr.. Broomall read his resolution, a. foows:-
Whereas the President OF the United States his annoa,
Message 20 the fortsih Congress- ~ lis sesoad session.
Here follows the extract which had been read a.
the request OF Mr.. Schenck.l
world cs ms s 70 go e the
ns o. hs people o. The ynsd States and Of their
Resolved degrees Reputation Of tho
that rsprsssnsiass con.
sent 70 offer the public creditor A. full less
tractsd TO pay him.
Mr. sr.LDIss, rep, OF OHIO, in his seat, remarked
Mr. scaEscK asked to be permitted to make a sin
gle remark
Mr.. SCHENOE said suppose ought 10 return my
profound thanks for this privilege. 1 am not going
", e1gage "a any suanoe as 70 VINO shal or who
glad, however, TO see that far IL yet indicated
the only earnestncss seems TO be developed the
intense desire OF everyone who has spoken TO marx
with proper reprobation that which tins Message
contains on the point indicated. arise for pur-
pose on which those gentlemen will entirely
with me- have had that part OF the Message read
with view to state not because Of any
personal weight that may o., be given to what
Representative on thelioor. but because IL may be
possible that having been honored by place I'm this
House as chairman OF 1he Committee OF Ways and
Means sought to express my opinion decidedly on
the subject; that LOOK upon that part OF the Mes
sition to repudiate the debt OF the country that
have ever yet known to be put forward from any
the paper OF Brick Pomeroy, who, / believe, has
spread before the public IN full this morning this
Message Ia advanee Of the 1rner
point There 10 another part Of the Message to which
wish to attract attention before any vote IS ,aken
On the twenty fifth page Of IL will be found para
graph rejecting on the action OF Congress in terms
similar TO those used by the Legislature OF Oregon.
IL is only necessary for to recall the attention
the House to the fact that yesterday when such Ian
guage came from that source, we stgmatized It
scurrilous, indecorous and slanderous 1 do no,
know any license which the President Of the United
states has To speak thus or pubic legislation, which
may not as wen be accorded to the Legislature OF
oregon, and therefore class theIn together In
reDropation which Congress has already passed or
one Of them. Now, trust that there viii be no
the public prints. trust 1t Will DO SIMPLY LAID upon
the table as moi At 70 &c referred 70 tne COMMITTEES
OF the Whole ai0use the State OF the Union,
any committee Of the House.
MIr. FARNSwoRTH--That Ii right.
Mr.. SCUEHCK-l trust also that gentleman will
be deferred from voting against referring IL 70 the
Committee OF the Whole on the State Of the Union.
on the snpPoson tIa n necessary IN order 60
Heuse that its several parts should be referred to
those committees. There is nothing IN The Message
OF which the standing committees OF the House may
ms. obtain jurisdiction by the ordinary process 0f
reference OF bills, petitions and resolutions There
is no necessity therefore, OF referrngt to lac Com
mtee OF the Whole the State OF the Union for the
usual purpose OF Its distribution to the standing
committees There Is no need Of its being printed.
Il will go broadcast to the country as all Presidents
messages dosfor what II Is worth. desire that IL
may DC p no Sa 'u eoncmrri aa r nope una. MY
permit me to substitute that motion for his.
Mr.. wAsaBuRNE, Of I'LL fully concur with the
Tor referring the Message to the Committee OF tho
Whole on the State Of the Union; but il is necessary
that the Message be printed In order to 20 among
the onicial documents of the country.
Mr.. ScHENCK-It Will go upon the journal.
Mr.. WASHBURNE-l Will modify my motion as IN
lay the Message on the table and print the usual
Mr. BLAisE. lrep.) OF Memo extras
Mr. WAsHBuRSE--No extra copies.
MI, SgHgNcE--rhe mere reading OF 1t takes IL IA
The SPEAKEg--It does.
Mr. ScHENcK--And 1t viii he printed in the
the SPEAKER-It does not, however. take it into
| documents which go into the public library.
| Mr.. MAyNARD--lt goes into the Globe.
| Mr.. WAsHBuRNE-i modify my motion so as to ny
| the Message ON the table and have II printed.
Mr.. SCoFIELD, (rep.) of Pa.-Woud not the gentle
man be satisfied by having IL sent 10 the halter
| Mr HrGBY, lrep.) OF Call cannot agree with the
gentleman from Ohio. think that whatever comes
from the President OF the United States should be
| done with az has been done heretofore Let It. I've
| printed let II 20 to the nation aud let the people
It. do not think r., our province 70 sa s
say as 70 the character OF the Message. have no
hesitation on thai point gas u seems y :" me shst
dead Tho last election settled that question. Let
the Message go to the people and let them see what
we have had to contend against for the last three
years II will fully confirm oil that Congress said Of
him.
The question being on the motion to lay on the
table and be printed,
Mr.. Ross (dem., or H., suggested nm Amendment
to print one hundred thousand extra copies.
the SPEAKER decided the amendment not In
order
that that was the only way which he had say that
no would say something, II he could do 50 Ia order
In reply TO the remarks OF tho gentleman on tine
Tha SPEAKER stated that that was not a point Of
order.
be printed-yeas 12S nays IS.
AMERICANS IMPRISONED IN GREAT BRirArS.
The resolution Introduced by Mr.. Robinson yester
day. calling on the President for further Information
and correspondence In reference 10 fenian PRISON.
ers ~ Ireland, was offered aud adopted
REMOVING DISABILITIES.
The Senate bill removing the disabilities % Frank
lin j. Moses, CHIEF Justice OF South Carolina being
similar to that passed by the House lDis morning.
was taken up and passed.
DEBArE THE VIRGINIA BILL RgsUaEp.
The bill for election In Virginia was again taken
up, and Mr.. BINGHAM made an argument against the
proposition 10 postpone the election day I'LL may ana
IN favor OF the time specified IN the bnithe 10Th Of
consented To the fourteenth article OF amendment
Ohio, New Jersey and oregon--had Withdrawn that
consent, leaving only twenty-sevea States consent
ing 70 IT, which was not three-lourtns OF thirty
seven. and leaving the question opea to be cnai-
lenged. lie hvowed himself ready To vote for law
making IL n felony for any Legislature to try TO pass
an act declaring that any amendment 70 the const,-
tuition was repcalefl having referred lhcilensals
10 the portion OF the Presidents Messigs already
called In question
Mr. ELDaIpGE asked him IL he was not satisfied
that the construction given to 1t Unfair con-
structior. lie admitted that the language was
somewhat vague, but he understood 1t to mean
recommendation pay or the SIX per cent inlebed-
ness and then apply that interest tho extnguish-
ment OF the debt itself. daughter the repub-
lican side OF the House, lie thought that that
what the President intended and what was the fair
construction OF his language.
Mr.. BINGHAM did not see that the gentleman from
Wisconsin helped the matter az all.
Mr.. BOYER, ldcm.l OF Pa, remarked that notwitl-
standing the involved nature OF the language used
Dy the President. he believed tuaL what no ailnded
TO not the III. per interest on the govern.
ment bonds, but that premium which Il paid 20 the
national banks
Mr., FARSswoRTH inquired how the President could
mean that when he proposed to pay or the entire
debt In that way IN sixteen yearsY
Mr.. JUDD, trep.I OF H., desired Mr.. Boyer TO tell