The New York herald., 1868-07-08
ENGLAND.

The Irish Church Bill In the House OF Lords.
AS reported to the HERALD by cable telegram, and
already published in the House OF Lords on the 25th
of June Lord GRANVILLE, in moving the second read
ing OF the Established Church reand) bill, said that
the recent outhurst Of Fenianism had shown
the necessity Of o policy to Ireland both Of
frmness and OF concilaton. Lord Mayo's sugges-
tions respecting Catholic University indicated that
her Majesty's government felt the necessity as well
as the opposition. He proceeded to vindicate Mr..
Gladstane from the charge OF having con-
cocted hastily divised scheme for the pur-
pose Of stealing political advantage. After ar
guing that the present bill was necessary
preliminary to further legislation, he proceeded to
defend, on the grounds of history, reason and right
the propriety Of putting an end to an institution
which was unjust both az the Chrrch OF mino-
rity and not the Church of the poor. He denied
with emphasis that this was an attempt TO lay hands
on ''sacTed' property. such was not the opinion
OF Bishop Butler or OF Arcn1snSp Whately When;
Of Henry VUL ,chO took IL rom the Roman
Catholics or ov that Of queen Mary, ,cho restored
perty would be affected by the interference with
property acquired and held as was this Nor was
MS cause OF the Established Church OF Ireland the
trary, the separation OF the two would be advan-
tageous to the latter. Then II was objected that
This was not likely, and 1t was not the fact. IL
was argued against moderate Reform bill in
troduced by liberal ministry that the people
did the next year seer He passed lightly
over other arguments against The bill, based
severally on references to the coronation oath. on
the personal sentiments OF herMaesty, the supposed
danger to the act OF Union, and the imaginary in.
justice to the poor OF seeuiarlslng eccesiastieal
lishment would be fatal TO the Professionalism OF
Europe he thought might be disposed of by reference
to the conduct OF the Protestant communities OF
Continental Europe themselves.
Lord GREY justified his taking from the hands OF
the government the task OF moving that the bin
should be read that day six moffhs on the ground
that II was desirable this should not appear a
mere party vote His own belief had ever been that
the existence OF the Irish Church was gross inus-
suspend the ing up OF ecclesiastical vacancies
not the right mode OF remedying that injustice or
cafes OF the present measure. lie argued that ma
chinery which at present did not exist IN the
Established Church, ana which this bill did not
attempt 10 provide, ought TO be first created
with reference 10 the disposal OF the prop
erty whch--for instance, the proceeds OF pr.
hands must be left TO the Episcopal Church
in ireland. The present proposed course was un-
done was explained, but not what was TO be done.
Stn further. he complained OF the policy by which
o measure of this kind. which IL was especially ex
pcdient TO reserve for calm dcliberation. had been
made the occasion OF great party fight, and he ve
hementy deprecated the advocating its acceptance
by appeals TO the fear OF Feniansm.
Lord Malmcsbury, after expressing his surprise
that the resolutions OF the House Of Commons had
not been. in accordance with precedent, communi-
cated to their Lorlshps' House before this bill was
fiunr upon their table and dwelling upon Mr.. Glad.
stones Inconsistency as proved by his own speeches
and letters to his constituents went on 70 argue that
the present bill was really no partial measure bat in
erect covered the ground the first resolution
OF the House OF Commons.
Lord CLARENDON showed that Lord Grey had
formerly used very different tone from that
of his speech this evening. ON the merits of
the m m me ne m ssa asaS a never wf a & sd S qSg SH
OF erecting such an institution as the Irish estab-
lshment. and that there was no sufficient reason
for our not removing II now n II were an injustice
What scandal Ii must be in The ewes OF unirendly
foreigners might he imagined irOm criticisms, TO
which he referred. by friendly foreigners. lie
called for the measure as required by the feeling in
Ireland OF a grievance This reform would not at
cure rancour. the growth OF centuries, but It
ever It's expedency, II was demanded by our con
science. The liberal party had been taunted
win not nSyns fr3ns' @ hS iorwae abav s oa question
been revied traitors. But the consetva-
tive party had passed through process OF
development since then. After reviewing and dis
posing finally of the several objections 10 the BILL he
amented its rejection, which he anticipated as well
because he foiesaw the acceleratlon which il would
lend to feeling on this special subject as from regard
to s effect upon the reputation OF that House, which
1t was peculiarly important to maintain in view Of
the coming House OF Commons
The Archbishop OF CANTERBURY said that he had
always been supporter OF Catholic Emancipation
ou ne seneu @ ,bf sae ow a inc o. son
question which engrossed exclusive Interest in Ire
land.
Lord Derby, who began by apoogizng on the
ground Of nnrm health, hut spoke with great ANNA
tion alter crticizng the conduct and motives OF Mr..
Gladstone, denied the moral competency OF Parlia.
ment TO carry such a measure OF spoaton a. had
never been accomplished, except in the case OF the
monasteres, against ecclesiastical property In this
country. II q certain length Of possession gave a
title TO private property, prescription reaching far
beyond the Reformation ought surely 10 insure
tranquil possession to the Church Of Ireland unless
indeed the old maxim. Nuliufn te,npus oocft1H Ec-
clesid, must be read backwards. on the principle
on which this bill was supported the property Of
Gated; and az for the qualification that at all
events, Parliament might take away what Parlia.
could not properly take away what II had