The New York herald., 1868-03-29
ENGLAND.

Of Parttcs-The Catholic University ana frO.
tcstnut Church EsfnbIIshmenf-What Is a
Church e-ss Back Hedge" Revoiutionists
and Beware Of RObcspierre.
In the House OF Commons on the 10th OF March
the debate on the Irish question was resumed.
+ After speeches had been delivered by Mr.. Glad
stone and the more prominent opposition members
from ireland and England, Mr.. Disraeli, who. rose
amid much cheering. said:-Slr, the right honorable
gentleman Cdr. MouselD, when he rose tonight,
made charge against the House, and he made, at
the same time an announcement Of stirring import.
ance; for he told us that the crisis OF Ireland had
arrived and that the members OF her Majesty's gov.
ernment had proved that they did not realize the i'm
portance OF that truth. But the right honorable
gentleman gentle proceeded a. and It appeared that The The
eliminating point OF controversy which had
existed for seven hundred years, ! could moi
most unfortunate Of ministers, because at the
moment when ] arrived, py her Majesty's gracious
favor, in the position now I'LL controversy which
has lasted for hundred wears had reach its cul-
mnating point, and the ministry called upon to
produce measures equal to that supernatural exigen-
cover what could he the circumstances which had
brought abont conuncture so startling and so unpre-
Cedented. watched with interest as the right hon.
orabe gentleman proceeded; and when, as thought,
with generous candor he began to intimate to the
House what were the elements of this portentous
crisis, 1t appeared that the first OF the elements
which are to bring about such great results Is the
existence OF Fenanism. But am not aware that
her Majesty's government are peculiarly responsible
1or the existence Of Fenianism. When we acceded,
under the auspices OF Lord Derby to Office two short
wears ago, Fenanism existed, ana He suspension Qf
under the auspicous advice of the right honorable
gentleman. (llear, hear He who was himself a
member OF the government to whom the fatal secret
Oi Fenianism was first communicated, came down to
this House to propose those eXtra-legal remedies
with which the country is now too familiar GIear.)
This is the first element OF the crisis. Therefore as
1ar as the first element Of the crisis Is concerned the
right honorable gentleman did not feel at that mo-
ment the necessity OF coming to Parliament to re-
commend the violent course which he recommended
et the conclusion OF his Grafton this evening. (Hear,
'hearl But the right honorable gentleman proceeded
iment which had produced this awful crisis. And
what was itS It was Irish emigration which had
brought about this critical state o AFFAIRS and which
called for these instantaneous and violent remedies.
The right honorable gentleman however, himself
said that the emigration from Ireland had somewhat
subsided. llear, hear) There certainly was a time
when the emigration was greater than II is at pres.
ent and when the announcement from Ireland OF the
thinning OF its population excited great alarm and
apprehension In this House and throughout the
country. And who was one of the ministers,
and one OF the most influential ministers, OF
honorable gentleman. (Cheers., With two Of the the
elements OF his crisis the right honorable gen.
tCheers and aughter.) lie never made this arraign.
ment OF the Church Of Ireland, which, indeed for
many years he vindcated with so much eloguence
aud power OF reasoning, and he never for moment
alluded to the critical state Of affairs There was
also third element OF the crisis and what was that
10 was the education or the people OF Ireland But
the people OF Ireland were not educated only yes
terday. The people OF Ireland have had for con-
siderable period the advantage Of system OF educa-
sion under circumstances more favorable than the
people OF England have had For thirty years
less the people OF ireland have had great advantages
or popular education and the fruits OF that education.
certainly within the last ten years. have been very
perceptible. tHear, hear.l But although everybody
IL perfectly conscious Of the beneficial effects OF edu
cation in ireland the right honorable gentleman not
withstandlng he was so conversant with all the
sequences Of education in that country, never came
FORWARD until now 10 state that the education OF the
people OF ireland recommended the course which he
has suddenly called upon the House to take. But
there more ell ment, and that completes all
The ingredients OF this awful crisis. And what is
thatY The Parliamentary Reform hill. which. fortu-
naiey and in spite OF the efforts OF the right honora
bic gentleman: was passed last year. (Cheers.) That
Is The fourth element OF the crisis and in consequence
81 that yo are to destroy the Irish Church.. We will
consider the question Of the destruction OF the Irish
S1utch, u me House WIN permit me TO
address them, at the right time but that
Of the Reform bill for England. ] draw from
u a more logical consequence, for think ought
20 pass a Reform bill for Ireland and the House
well know, and the right honorable gentleman him
self admits that her Maiesty's government are pre-
pared to Introduce and would have introduced To-
night. had IL no, been for this debate, measure
with that object. These are the four ingredients
which the right honorable gentleman has brought
before MS, as accounting for the production OF state
Oi affairs which he describes the crisis OF Ireland
all the elements OF The crisis being elements of an
'ohsoete character and having no relation TO the
honorable gentleman proceeded 10 say he would be
glad 10 have some information upon the subject OF
ecclesiastical titles and railways. Really. i think
the House viii permit Inc on this occasion, as the
hour Is late and as we must touch on some SUBJ
jacts Of more stirring importance not to delay upon
topics oi that Kind tonight. Notice has been given
OF motion on the subject Of ecclesiastical titles and
when Ii Is moved we shall be prepared to give the
Information the right honorable gentleman seems
10 desire. Nor shan enter the subject OF
railways for Ireland The right honorable gentleman
seemed TO Indicate mat We had been somewhat negli
NJ In hiatt
mot an easy task at any time 10 form an efficient
royal commits sion. We did form one. We lost no
Time, although II took much time TO form the COM
mission. | belive they have pursued their labors
with very great energy and ability, ana In due course
we shall be able 10 advise Parliament on the subject.
The right honorable gentleman then directed his aten
tlon ~ the measures proposed by the government,
Whch ne says show thaf the government do not
realize the position oe affairs which constitute the
'criss Ia Ireland The hrst measure Is that involved
III the intnaiiOn OF our intention to recommend
parliament TO grant charter TO the Roman Catholic
University. The right honorable gentleman raised
an argument against that proposition, which no
doubt had some effect on the House, upon an assump.
ton that we had announced intention to ask the
House TO cndow that University. I certainly never
heard OF that intended endowment before. t"Oh,
10 The noble lord the memberf for the county OF
Kerry. who spoke early In the evening attacked the
government because they were proposing a charter
without an endowment. Certainly my noble friend
the secretary for Ireland made no such pr0postion
nor was there any necessity for our making IT, II t,s
Perfectly true that when the right honorable gentle
inan opposite asked about endowment my noble
called the UniS ersty expenses, such as are paid for
The Loadon University II is perfectly legitimate for
the House to decide whether they VIII pay them or
rot. They are of no great amount, the charge Tor
Nhe London University being, think, about $4,000
n year. don't suppose that In this case any such
asum viii be required. u VIII he perfectly legitimate
Tor the House, even II the charter Is granted 10
refuse % pay the expenses OF the Roman Catholic
University out or the pubic funds. The reason why
we have proposed chAttcr for the Roman Catholic
University has been v ~ tauch misunderstood In
the course or the debate. Tue honorable mem
her for Birmingham said II was our care for
Icniauisfn. | may be permitted 10 say that
our intention to meet this want In the
higher eiuca ion OF The Roman Catholic popu-
iaton Of Ireland Is OF a date more ancient than Fe-
nianisu. have expressed my sense OF the necessity
nom the opposition bench, and ! believe the first
words wave utterance 10 when took my seat on
ts side Of the House conveyed an expression OF my
conviction that tue higher education Of the Roman
Catholic population could not b. lcft In Its then un-
Satisfactory condition. Well, sir, we have produced
our measure, which VIC nnk Is On the whole the
11ost practical easIre q at could be devised. II Is
~ety easy FOR gentlemen TO say, 'fou should have
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