The New York herald., 1868-04-11

Mr.. BUrLsR-f viii withdraw the objection n the
! witness thinks 1t Us material TO him.
MI 5TANBRRY ito the witnessl-Very we'll; what "a
the explanation you wish to makef A. I asked the
I judge what 1t meant, ana he said it was simply "a
Wednesday, then asked him If It snspeadsS s ms
Doahing 10 do with them;p that is tho point wanted
O. state when you next went 10 the War Depart
ment that day. A. went Immediately to the Presl
He made the same answer-"Very wen; wanted tC
get 1t into the COURTS" then went tothe War once
and found the eastern door locked, This was on
the 22d. / asked the messenger Tor the Key,
and he told me that he hadn't II. | then
went to Mr.. stanton's room, the one which he
six or eight gentlemen some OF them recognized.
ana understood that they were all members ol
Congress- They were all sitting. told the Secretary
give to me- and ordered me to my room as Adutaut
General. refused 70 obey; made the demand =
sSd orsre ssC third time and was s' e tnen
said, "You can stand there, and stand long as you
please" ! left the room and went to the office of
Genera Schrfver aud sat down and had q chat with
lowed me in there. aud Governor Moorehead,
came in. Mr.. stanton told Governor Moore.
mead TO note the conversation, and | think he
much the same questions ss before: whether in.
sisted on acting as Secretary Of War and whether
Then there was some little chat between the Secre-
tary OF War and myself
q. Did these members Of Congress withdraw them
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Tell us what happened between YOU and the
Secretary Of War after they withdrew. A. do not
recollect what first occurred, but said to him. 'The
next time you have me arrested'-for found it was
at his suit was arrested
Mr.. BUTLER-I object to the conversation between
the Secretary OF War and General Thomas at a time
when we have not put 1t In because we put In only
the time when the other gentlemen were there; and
this was something which took place after they had
The CHIEF JUsrcE-n 1t was Immediately after
Mr.. BUTLEk~Does General Thomas say it was the
same conversational
Witness-Mr stanton turned to me and got talking
In very familiar manner with me. j said, "The
next time you have me arrested, please don't do IL
before | get something to eat.h Gaughter:l
to-day" Continued laughtcr.) He put his arm
round my neck he used to do In
familiar manner, and ran his hand through my hair,
out" Rcars Of @ iSughteri s scSriyer unlocked his
proposed that should have spoonful Of whiskey;
said | would take a little; General schriyer
Mr.. srANBERY-He shared It eveny9 A. Yes, he
ured them with his eye. Presently q messenger
was drawn and he and took a drink together.
@. Was that all the force exhibited that day' A.
O. Have you ever at any time attempted to use
force to get into that ofiicef A. At no time.
@. Have you ever had instructions from the Presi-
dent to use force ntimdatiOns or threatsS
Mr.. BUTLER Ito wltness)-StOp moment. "At
any timer" that brings it down to to-day; but sup
Ask the witness for any that occurred prior to the
21st or 22d Of February, and am content.
March.
Mr.. BUTLER--The 9th OF March Is Just as bad as It
would be to say till to-day. The President was I'M
had got up his case then.
Mr.. EvARrs-we have right to the negative up to
the point for which you have given any positive evil
denCe which Is the 9th of March,
MT. BuTLER-we have given no evidence eIt as to
wna X the na. We
but If there Is anything in any rule OF law this test
mOny cannot be admitted.
Justice on which Mr.. Karsner Was allowed
TO state the interview between General Thom
and sse the Ss OF mss
might be held to be either from something that had
been proved on the part OF the Managers from some
thing that would be proved on the part Of the Mana
gers committal Of the President Now certainly
der the rulings made as well as under the necessary
entitled to negative through the witness who knows
anything that has been proved as to what occurred
rhs % sna sp further
for the point is not sufficiently clear to everybody
stmpy OBJECT to the S Question st as to wai had been
the directions OF the President down to the 9th Of
March after he was impeached. If that testimony
be put In to the Och Of March IL can be put Ia
say thing to Mr. s they oer c Prove o that S
MT. EvARrs-That lie rot to the point. The point
ls that negatively we can show up TO and include
what they claim to impicate the President The
President had not given any instructions to use
sse ON sDoSs Of his 'pa IN nT
to kick Mr. Stanton out And now we propose tc
show that up to that time the President OF the Uned
States had never given authority or direction OF any
kind to use force.
Mr.. BUTLER-How does that prove that Mr.. Thomas
did not say s0f
Mr. EvARrs-It does not prove it In the case. It
only proves that he said 1t without the authority Of
the President OF the United States, which is the point
OF your appeal.
The CHisF JUSTICE directed Mr.. Stanbery to re-
duce the question to writing
Mr.. STEVENS OF the Managers, remarked, In o low
tone, "Oh, It Is not worth while. II u not worth
while 10 appeal to The Senate any more after that de-
cision.n
Mr.. EyARTs, having overheard the remark, said
s'DO we understand The Manager to say 1t Is not
worth while because the last decision covered the
Mr. BUrLER-whatever was said over here was
said between ourselves.
The CHIEF JUsrICE-The counsel must address the
Chief Justice.
The question having been reduced 10 writing, was
"Did the President at any time prior to or nclud-
ing the 9th OF March authorize or direct you to use
any force intimidation or threats TO get possession
OF the War O1iceW
The CHIEF JUSTICE said he would submit 1t to the
Senate whether the question should be allowed
The vote was taken without division, and the
question was permitted to be asked.
The question being pat to the witness, ne REPLIED
"He did not"
o. Please to state what conversation you had with
Mr. Burleigh on the night OF the 2ist OF February
A. Mr. Burlegh came TO my house and asked me
whether I was appointed Secretary OF War; told
him "Yes;' ] mentioned what had occurred between
Mr.. Stanton and myself; think II was that which
led him to ask me what I was going to do;
1 had had two conversations-one with
Mr.. Burlcigh and the other with Mr.. Wilkcson and
said to one OF them, cannot tell which, that n
found nv door locked would break 1t open; and TO
the other said that would call on General Grant
for force: have got the conversations mixed up
and cannot separate them. Both conversations
took place that evening. Mr.. Burleigh asked
me what time I was going TO the War
once I told him I would be there about ten
O'Clock next day. think he said he would be there
the next day.
o. Did YOU ask him to Gomez A. did not.
o. What was the conversation you had with Mr..
Karsener on the 9th Of March. A. should like to
o. what dId you know OF Mr.. Karseners A.
knew nothing about him whatever until saw him
4 hadb ak led the aueafiQn 1 W0uld have