Nashville union and dispatch. [volume] (Nashville, Tenn.) 1866-1868, 1868-04-11


President again that evening. Next morn
ing witness was arrested went with the
Marshal to the White House and tod the
President he was in custody and on what
charge. The President replied, Every
we'll, that is just where want it, in COURT
Witness then left for bis hotel. On giving
bail he asked Judge Cartier if he was in
the meantime suspended from his functions.
The Judge replied in the negative and ex-
planned the effect. In giving bail witness
narrated some circumstances and cores
pondence which occurred after he went
10 the War Office The same morning,
after those members of Congress who wit
messed his interview with Stanton returned
Thomas said to Stanton "The next time
you have me arrested do it after breakfast.
have had nothing this morning to eat or
drink" Laughter
Mr.. Stanton, in a playful way, said :
"Well, think, General, We have a little
something here" Whereupon Gen. Schri-
yer produced bottle and Mr.. Stanton di-
vided its contents-about spoonful-into
two parts, and they took a drink together
Subsequently some full bottles were
brought, and this was all the force used
that cay. Great laughter.
Mr.. Stanton asked if the President had
ever directed him TO use force or threats to
obtain possession of the War Department.
Objection was made and argued by
Messrs. Butler and Evarts. Without dis.
vision, the Senate allowed the question to
be put and Mr.. Thomas replied in the
negative. When questioned IA to lis
| conversation with Burleigh, he said he
never invited him to come to his office /;
had not said to him or Wilkinson that he
would call on Gen. Grant, or kick the
doors down. He knows nothing whatever
| about Mr.. Karzener, supposed he may
have seen him four years ago when he was
! i'll at home. Mr.. Karzener introduced
himself as an old acquaintance, and hung
on to him by the hand while he made re-
marks several times repeated about Mr..
Delowan having his eyes upon him Thos.
Karzener then asked him when he was
going to kick that fellow out, and he
adopted Karzenr's words, and said he
would do it in very few days; he never
though about kicking Mr.. Stanton out.
Cross-examined: From March 1868, TO
February Is, 1868, did not perform the
duties Of Adiutant General Mr.. Stanton
took the Presidents and Gen. Grants re-
commentator to retire the witness, but
there was no unpleasant feeling between
them had no intimation before the 18th of
February, that the President wished to
make him Secretary of War ad interim !;
SWORN by mistake to the contrary when ex-
aminei by the House committee, but cor
rected his evidence afterwards; he swore
then he had received an intimation to that
effect about two weeks previously from
Col. Moore; told the President at the time
of receiving his appointment he would
obey orders did not object TO receive any
particular order; when he received a note
from Col Moore, February lst, he did not
know what the President wanted with him,
for when after re tnrning from the War De-
partment he did not tell the President
Mr.. Stanton was notgoing to give up Office or
such was the witnesses opinion; did not
show him Stanton's letter did net think it
necessary what he said to Mr.. Wilkinson
about applying to Gen. Grant, was only
Boosting; what he said to Mr.. Burleigh
about breaking down doors, he felt in
cined to do; changed his mind on this
point before he was arrested; did not pro-
uuCo Ihe CndIB0j HIS ihtohtlOh was " uS0
force was in reverse of the Presidents or
der; never expressed to the President his
belief that he could not obtain possession
without force; suggested to the President
that the best way to get possession Of the
papers and mails was by issuing an order
through Gen. Grant; the President has
never said anything to him about his pub
lished expression; the President has not
acted on his suggestion how to obtain pos
session of the papers; admitted before the
House committee that Mr.. Hammers tes-
timony was correct, but explained that he
used the words playfully.
Cross examination concluded. Ad-
ourned at $40 P. NJ.