The New York herald., 1868-06-28

sppIopriatis6s in this bhi for the harbors Of ON,
t2nss2n, EEe Mayouette, Nanisteo, Peptwater "Aux
@hs, interest SSS SstsT The people ss large
c8nmSdatiOn Of some lumber dealers.
IT. ELIOT, trep.) OF Mass, remarked that the gen.
tleman from Illinois had voted appropriations for
Asrquette harbor last year and the year before.
NJ. WAsHBURNE-Is the gentleman sure Of that
Mr.. ELIOT-Will the gentleman deny itS
Mr. WAsHBURNE-I was not here last year when
Mr.. ELIOT defended the bill and opposed the motion
to recommit II there was no money IN the Treasury
then he admitted that the bill should be laid on the
any principle that would not also justify the appro
priattons asked for in the bill reported BY the Com
every Year the Judgment Of hs House 10 e
Iecommt. lie aid not propose to ct tell the member G
from Illinois where Pere Marquette was
Mr. WAsHBURNE-Can you tell Qaughter.)
Mr.. ELIoT-0h, ! can tell the gentleman more than
Mr.. FERRY, trep.,) Of Mich.-Allow me to answer
the gentleman.
Mr. ELIOT suppose the gentleman nom Illinois
knows. suppose that he really knows something.
The gentleman from Illinois has been always under
the belief, and now is, that appropriations should
not be made where local interests were more or less
involved. agree with him fully and will undertake
to inform the House each item which the COM
mlttee has recommended, and to show that the IN
terests OF commerce require the appropriation to be
made. whether we ought TO spend q dollar now or
to postpone the whole thing is o matter for the
Judgment OF the House. In my belief 1t would be q
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the country, mainly in the West and Northwest to
postpone this work.
Mr.. PAINE, (rep.) OF Me- opposed the substitute
and remarked that Notwithstanding Mr.. washburne's
declaration that he was unwilling to crafty his con-
stuents at the expense OF the people at large, he
had in the substitute prepared by him. taken OF
his constituents. There were in the original bill
small appropriations for twenty two harbors on Lake
Michigan; but in the gentleman's substitute he had
omitted twenty-One Of them, which lay out Of his
district and had put in one only that lay in his
state He should like to know what interest of his
thnf aVn0n hah IIn
rather see the spirit OF economy developed In some
other direction He did not want the development
from the people of his (Mr. Pane's) state and gave
anything to the State represented ! the gentle
man (Mr. Washburne).
Mr.. PILE, (rep) OF NO., opposed til substitute, as
placing 1t In the power of military officers to spend
all the money on some pet works, to the neglect OF
Others He hoped the motion to recOmmit would be
voted down, and the BILL reported, be passed.
Mr.. BAILEY moved substitute, appropriating
$1,000 ooo for the preservation Of public works COM
menced Tor the Improvement OF rivers and harbOrs,
and for the performance OF contracts heretofore
legally made for such works, to be expended under
the direction OF the Secretary Of War. He argued
that the House must either pass the bill proposed
with Its SO 900 and over, or postpone the whole
matter He thought 1t better to give up the bill.
The House ought not to pass these appropriations of
$6,000 600 and over He was not opposed to internal
improvements; he knew how important they were
but other subjects demanded the attention Of Con-
gress. When prosperity was restored and the credit
OF the government was restored then, and not till
then should works like these be undertaken II was
not Just to the people, and they would under
sIand 1t.
Mr.. BLAINE, uep) Of Me-, made statement in
| reference to Governor SeymOur's declaration in his
Cooper Institute speech that eight hundred million
dollars had been expended in support OF the army
and navy since the close OF the war; Mr.. Blaine
explained that Immediately after General Lees sur
render one million OF soldiers and fifty thousand
sailors had to be mustered out and money had to he
provided at once for their back pay, their bounties
| and their prize money! and for these objects six
| hundred and twenty-five million dollars were eX-
| pended as soon as the accounts could be settled
| within one hundred and fifty days Mr.. Blaine
| asked II Governor Seymour and his friends
Objected 6E to. to this payment Of the honorable
their lives 10 save the life Of the nation. Mr..
| Blaine further stated that according TO Governor
Seymour's own figures only $175, 600 900 had been
pended in three years for the current and legitimate
expenditure OF both army and navy, or sos ,000
| per annum for both branches of the servce-a far
less sum per regiment for the army than was ex.
pended for the same service in Buchanans admins
tralion. and Buchanan's expenditures were in gold
while the present disbursements were In paDer The
army mad never been SO economically administered
| as under General Grant.
of Mr. Eliot that lie ,Mr' Washbnrue1 had Voted 70,
the last bill which made an appropriation for tht
harbor OF Pere Marquette, said he mad the bill now
before him and found no such appropriation In 1t
Independently Of that he was not in the country wheI
the bill was passed.
had referred.
sp Mr.. wAsHBURNE said that he was astonisfed a
the unfairness Of the gentleman from Wisconsin tMr
Wisconsin, Minnesota and Missouri were as muct
interested In the improvements OF the Des Moines
Rapids, proposed IN his substitute, as the people o.
Illinois were. lie did not pretend TO he Indifferent
10 the interests Of his own State but he was quick
| any other when he believed they were unjust O,
were not demanded by public interest, He asked
members whether they expected 10 get this bill
through both houses OF COngressS II so 1t would be
vetoed by the President, and the President would
antagonze them before the people, ana have the ad-
Mr.. EGGLEsTON asked by what authority the gen
tleman said the bill would be vetoed.
Mr.. WAsHBuRNE said he had no authority for It,
and il it were he should sustain the veto.
Mr. HUMPHREY. dem.) OF n. y, opposed the substi-
tute, arguing that the Committee OF Commerce and
the House were better able TO determine what i'm
provements should be made than the Secretary Of
money in IL Treasury ne replied that thereswas as
much money for that purpose as there was to pay Tor
the Freedmen's Bureau, or any other purpose.
Mr.. PRICE, (rep) Of Iowa, argued that the whole
thing was in nutshell. The proposition was
whether the House would take up bill with seventy
three items and strike out what were wrong and
tain what were right, or whether 1t would appro-
pirate 81 900 900 III lump TO be expended under the
direction Of the Secretary Of War. He thought the
reported and act upon II, item toy item.
The debate was further continued by Messrs Ferry,
Maynard, briggs judd Barnes EgRlestOn, Phelps,
Allison, Robinson and Mullins against the substitute.
Mr.. DELANo spoke In favor Of his substitute. He
said that the subject before the House was the
parative merits OF the substitute and OF the original
measure. He did not regard the substitute az being
free from objections but thought 1t preferable to the
original bill. The original bill introduced system
of Internal improvement embracing within Its scope
some eighty different localities. IL inaugurated a
theory Of internal improvements which would draw
from the Treasury annually not less than ten million
dollars If ii were inauguraed. IL had been undOubt-
edly made TO cover so much ground IN order TO give
IL strength by getting into IL enough places to make
votes 10 carry It, IL was vicious In ITSELF even
the country prepared TO enter upon such a scheme;
but while the nation groaned under enormous
debt indefensible TO enter upon such scheme
OF plunder for the benefit OF localities. To show
what 1t would lead he stated that The appropriation
Of twenty thousand dollars for the Improvement OF
the Wisconsin river looked really 10 the construction
OF great ship canal between the Mississippi and the
great lakes.
Mr.. ELIOT inquired whether that same item was
not in the gentleman'E own substitute.
Mr.. DELANo-It Is not.
Mr.. EIIOT--But it was.
Mr.. DELANO-we are discussing what Is before the
House and not what might be. lie went oh to say
Nthat he could not undertake 10 analyze what tins
bill would lead to. The substitute predi-
Gated on a plan of finishing worke now i'm