New-York tribune., 1868-04-18
NEw-YORK SATURDAY, APRIL 49, lses-TRIPLE SHEET.

friends looked at the human depletion OF Ireland not
ton from ireland has existed considerable
Der of years and that during that period the right hon.
and thought that consequence of that emigration
the state Of Ireland critical know That when
still with anxiety tho emigration from that country
have the satisfaction Of knowing that that emEraton s
second element OF the crisis s one that really can Do
Clement Of the Gentleman eda
eatonthe people Of Ireland go educated that you
RaTe been educated great number Of years thank Cod
and wish the people OF ENGLAND had been @ as
advance Of the Irish people in political knowledge since
the two short years we this bench has created
SS S have 1 ever een Ohe 81 those members Of
this House who have tried to restrict that educa,
on but when that is brought forward as an element OF
the crisis bound remind the House OF the facts OF
the Is the OF the crisis that we passeu no
Reform bill year. and that ought 10 nave los no
time IN passing the Reform bill for lrelandi say tnat
under these circumstances was perfectly usuneu IN % Ut
noicy of the right honorable gentleman founded
namely, that there crisis in Ireland; ana the honoa
ble gentleman for Birmingham not Justed IN saying
that stated the state of Ireland was perfectly ,t
tory. Hear, hear will now, as cannot ADMIT tnat
member for south Lancashire state my of the CON
dition of ireland. don't think there is an rsn erss
mentioned by the night honorable gentleman But TINS
will say that the condition Of Ireland is upon the whole
entirely satisfactory. nOnlcal laughter Inc grew
ances upon which the rghthOnOrable gentleman founded
his motion range over seven centuries Ihe premises from
which he drew his deductions were seven huDdreu years
How you,when statesman, great statesman comes
forward sudden, like thief in the nlght-lcheers
and laughterl-when he comes forward TO recommend
vast and violent as that into the aecha9sr
Of the discussion OF which we have now only % rs
instanceg lCheers and laughterI Wheh man teIs me
that Ireland is in critical state In consequence OF the
msgovernment Of 700 years must, as prudent man.
before assent to any proposition on the subject take
general views take general views within very nm
tied range will compare the state OF Ireland and It's
people, when they under the tender mecles OF
FtZstephenss knights those other historical clafac
which may have 10 touch upon, with the peruls
sion OF the right honorable member Calne. Alaugh
Is the condition OF Ireland at the present time worse as
regards people, than before the UnOnf So far as my
researches go mud that the people OF Ireland are IN
much better condition now than they were before Ihey
IN the enjoyment OF social and political rights whch
stances they are better fed and clothed ana paid thah
they were before the Union So much for the working
enteprisng and the landlords upon whom such attacks
made have an advantage which English laldlClus
Is the condition OF Ireland at this moment, when
we are called upon 70 take this preeipitate ana
oiationary war; During that time were the people
better fed and clothed or were their wages higher
proctors ghtng people Wasthe condition the
people then TO be compared with what IL AZ the
be compared with their presont state Is not an apso
Lutte fact that as population In all It's classes me lnhaD
OF Ireland at this more prosperous ana
weather. and are in the enjoyment OF social and 10
lcal rights which their ancestors and predecessors dd
of that country the enjoyment or higher rate OF
former perodi That has been urged, and IL never has
been answered The ChetSecretary for Ireland, IN ms
statement, full of accurate information and weghty ar
gument placed 1t before the House, and not single gem
tieman opposite mpugned the accuracy Oi ms lacs ana
the sOundnes Of his conclusions How are we met by the
statesman who In this state OF affairs makes the
sacrifice Of all the convctioDs Of his life Ministerlal
cheers he tells that the situation Of ireland Is SO
critical that we that which only three years ago.
when mentioned, struck him with such inexpres
dd ingenuity Of several gentlemen opposite has supplied
viii the ground The evils Of ireland since we nave
proved the country is richer aud the people more pros
porous, the landlords receiving their rents, ana the
middle classes are perpeuay engaging IN seeGatons
aud shares, and the working population hApn8
their wages doubledsnce that has been Acknowledged
longer be denied, the whole tling Is eHpianedLlnis
widespread discomfort this constant disafecon and the
perilons position OF the Church ia Ireand-by the fact,
tho recent discovery that the evils OF Ireland are hot
material evils. TDey arc moral eYlsi tbey are tehL-
ton not as in old days, not recent times, when We
had to discuss what affected the political and material
and violent STEP because the people Of Ireland are suffer
ing under moral or sentimental grievances am not te
who despses sentimental grievances. i thiLk he
takes very contracted view Of life who despises sent
mental grievances But when We have to deal with sen
tmental grievances, aud when In consequence We are
asked TO make very material changes think every one
will that ought to proceed with caution Though
pride aud g1atfy the feelings OF race stu To take
precpitate step and fail III mpshing what desire
would be a disastrous mistake, humilidtng to states
man. lCheersJ What are these sentimental grievances
of the irish people am not conscious that Ihaye
been deficient sympathy with the Irish people They
have engaging qualities which think any one who las
heart must respond to- But nothing surprises
than the general conduct OF the Irish people upon this
subject Of sentimental grievances. They are race who
certainly among the bravest OF tie brave. Ihey
are very ingenious witty, imaginative, and therefore
very saDgne and they about the world announcing
that they are conquered race That does appear 70
the most extraordinary circumstance IN tho
world Every Quotations and lndiylduals-has a
skeleton in the house: don = cay that have not
one but II had would turn the key upon 1t. They
20 about ostentatously proeamng mat lhey are con
quered race III they were conquered race hey arehot
the people who ought TO announce IT, l. Is the conquer
the conquered, who go about the world 10 an
no1nce their shame and humiliation lHcar, hearl But
deny that they are conquered race deny that they
biz more conquered than any other race therefore
the assumption OF TINS OstehtauOs anu oIagsalt toe,
ana making that the foundation or the most unreasOn
bic requests has no ground whatever They are not one
whit more conquered than the English. CONSERVATIVE
cheersl. Tney are always telling us that the Nornans
Giference was this that In ireland they only conquered
the land, and in England they conquered completely.
Laughter and cheers That Is long time ago. 1hen
there was that dreadful conquest OF Cromwell Wei,
Cromwell conquered England. Laughter and cheeIsl'
lIaughter He ordered tnat baublo TO be taken away
ponting 10 the mace Cheers In consequence OF which
an honorable member the other night believe OF very
advanced Liberal opinions, proposed tat We shai he
statue TO his memory Cheers ana lausptefJ iae1 u,
the Dutch conquest Every night We are tOld OF
IT, They did conquer Ireland, and they conquered IN,
gland also. They marched from DeV0nsinle 10 Lohuos
amid discontented and disaneeted population who did
not, nevertheless, dare to hgnt them But the iIlbn
ougt lEe gentlemen iof ther so'eLesn Se -, ia %
shame about IT, tCheersl Therefore the story thaL
they wish to destroy the English institutions, is most
mOBstfOus. Laughter ana cheersl. Ihen We are iOid
that the Churcn Of Ireland Is q badge OF this
conquest. ! will not go into the question Of
the origin OF the Irish Church. Hear hear Nothing
shall induce into controversy rs TO whether
there was a Sc. Patrick or not-lloud laughterl-and
whether or he a Protestant. Continued laugh
teri will askhs conquered race VINO. in every cOun-
try where they Interfere ia war, take most eminent po-
silOn why Is tho Church In ireland more badge OK
conquest 10 the Roman Catholic than Ia the Church OF
England Is to the Dissenterf Checrs.l There is this
difference that according 20 their own story countless
generations have passed since the Roman Catholics were
ia possession Ia Ireand and that IN England every day
the descendants OF the elected Nonconformst
n Muisters and they don't te you they belong to con-
q
on0uest Hear hearl The Dissenter disapprOyes Of
an nsU tn lfe