Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1868-04-13
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20 Re proI.'riy subssI Nd "a each a sf,-e ,r
flrsl EIher Mr. stanton Is fnnuinr the Wa
Office without apy advice froIn tie Isre.iss,.
! ct he D. not running u al. Pc haps Al fbe
Pres sid"nt haG msde m apolngy a. Nr Stanton
Tor so, ps ndinC him, Mr.. StaHt1n wouia have
forgiven him; but coal 9 yOa eNp-,t tAe Presi-
dent 10 30 that to a subordinate They desl-ea
= ioi ~ NJ he test uIOny ~ tien-rai Sherniau
"'ih tn of General Grant 20 the san e Ct,
ana TIE aGTe menf Of these dist gnsh a OH ers
& u - ta ii. Stanton aud advise nun 70 r-siru Il
= 'ors. can VOC shut out ~ n ft-timony a
Q this, 2" "hifh would ehectusllv dlsprove the a.
sfttcL tnaI the President act a y-lthout the ad-
We o. any one m this matter, aud only sired
- k~ SsiA faithful cfioer snd put an tool u
Mr.. Manager Butler sa,d In. had nar.a
S-naiors on Saturday thaf thss sfraggle y,oolo
p o. reSonl' to-day. these expeTlment~ Of .r
deaN olIhg 70 introduce this testimony are 70 &c
or, foT " BAT pun pose SeuSftrs may till bnt NJ
q for any legal purpose TIE cou1Srl sav fh.,,
cannot defend The Presi.i.ut xr,hon, ,hss ,ex.y
mony. Wen. they want 10 defend the Pres
dent ios hl aSang one lSw by hrea ,xins an,fh.r
q emselvrs, fer IL vail De ul.,t So a. -.
violation cf the law 10 entertun this t,ss.S,ns.r
IL Senators would allow the t,-sts rronv. vroTiS
they allow ban BUtlerl 10 ak C,.-n Sh.r,r.,,
wfeth'r h. dad not thiak shr 40 5d OF Ihs sopna-S
would b. promoted by the removal of -
johnson. II this line OF inquiry was to n
opened, Il would form the GROUND Of additionaI
arucles of impeachment, they might a.k
GeBT,al Sherman whrther he had no.
thought the service WOuld be improved
by the arr 81 OF such a man as Adjutant Gene
raj Thomas. He had no desire to enter in this
field Of inqriiy, and H. prayed the senate. for
the good of tn country, not 10 allow A. IL
General Sherman's opinion was 20 be taken,
the Managers might call up Generals Meade
and Gs orge III Thomas and ask them whether
they did not think the service would be- b~ue-
htted by the retrntion Of MIR. Stanton. The
question here n a NOT whether AZ would ba bes.
10 get Stanton out, but whether IL was right tor
the Chief Executive officer 10 break law Of the
land. He was aware that the Presidest had
broken other laws. He had more men An onhcs
IN the South. in violation OF the law requiring
T them 10 rake the test oath. and then came r.
fore Congress and boldly justified it on the plea
: that the good of the service required IN So !,
was only necessary for the President 60 excos.
himself for violating law by saying that a..
had advice that the officer he put out wa no,
faithful officer. IL has been said that NJ
Stanton had not beer 81 the Cabinet board since
the 18th day OF August last. Welt that vas
not his fault AT any rate, this council board
was all unconstitutional. There was nothln0
in the Constitution providing for a council
board. The Constitution said the President
might call on has Cabinet officers for their nd
B vice and opinion in meeting, and that was an.
and this practice OF meeting in council had
grewn mp gradually, and was copied from the
English prachce. He saw NO derehcuou OF
duty on The part OF Mr.. Stanton in not attend
ingthcsc Cabinet councils Let n be shown Ihst
the President ever asked Mr.. Stanton for hi.
opinion IN meeting upon any sui bjeet. as pro-
yided ior by the Constitution. and thar Mr..
stanton had refused 10 give it. The President
has broken a. law for the purpose Of getting It.
into courts, as ne said. Well % Lad go. bsfnra
| COufi now. ana ne nOpf0 the pres.0Sps
would have the benefit Of ITS deliberations
Senator CsnklIng put the question 10 the
counsel whether they proposed 10 show that
the witness advised the President that the re-
moyal OF Stanton was essential 10 the good of
I the service, or that the President should nomi-
naie some one else 10 the Senate
| Mr.. Stsnbery said they proposed TO show W thai
| the advice was that the removal was for The
coed of the service.
Mr.. Butler.-Not as TO the mode of remoyalg
Mr.. Stanbery.-No.
IN S.fd fhax-
. Sherman here as an expert, but 10 prove has
opinion that the good of the service reouired
that some War Secretary should bs appointed
whose relations with the constitutional Com
I mander-in-chi were different. They desired
even TO bring forward other competent military
men TO prove this. The question as TO the mode
adopted by the President was not no w impor-
tant, but they wished TO show that the motive ON
which he acied was for the good OF the service
based on the opinion OF honored and intelligent
officers. Senators are now engaged on a casa
in which an unfa orable verdict will effaet ths
removal OF the President and II Is essential that
the motives OF the President i'm has efforts IA
4 10 secure a change in this ofIicp. should n.
made apparent, and that they had M nrhor
I foundation than the good of the service
Mr.. Bingham said the uestion Of the Senator
from New FORK Mr.. Conkling) showed the.
utter incompetence and absurdity OF thIs aues-
tlon. The gentleman Mr.. EyartsD Intimates
that the rule Of evidence HhIch would goy.rn
ue tne ma OF beggar should not apply 70 the
Chief Magistrate Of the nation. The American
people VIII tolerate no such assumption as
/ this. he head Of this nation on trial was en-
s u.iea 70 no more consideration than the poorest
and most obscure parsonage in the land Tn.
same rules OF evidence applied TO the Pres-
oent and 10 the peasant. There the Allegation
u, ls mar an unlawful ACT is committed: the proof
OF the act is sufficient. The Legality OF the
PRESIDENTS act is not TO be settled by m.
| opinion OF General Sherman or any one
else, but by the judgment of this Sspsta
and from that Judgment there as n@ sss
peal on this earth The gentleman ss,s
the President was taking the advice of honorsd
gentlemen In the service, but the Coustitution
provides who shall be- has advisers on .he sub-
lect OF the removal OF the head OF a U-nartmen,
The Constitution gives the Senate tilai ad Vi
s9r. power and the Senate advised the Pres
ldent not 10 inter fere further with the Officer a.
the lead OF the War Department. and rhs ,sr.s-
ldent then fell back on his reserved rights. and
eject this officer. He (Binghaml pro,es,ed
against this in the name of the American me-
PIE, " hcm they represent He protested agsinst
thls iresn outrage on an insulted and betrayed
people. 'eN
The question was then taken on admi,tiog
the request, and the Senate refused to allow ~,
follows: -
T.os.-Messrs. Anthony. Bayard. Bueka,ev
DIXON, Doolittle, Crime. Hendricks, Johnson,
Mccreery, Patterson, Tenn, } Ross TrumbuII
Van Wrinkle, and Nickers-I5.
Aays.-Messrs. Cameron, CsttelI Chandler
Cole, Conkling, Conness, Corbett Craein,
Davis, Drake, Edmunds, Ferry, Fessenden'
frelinghuysen, Harlan. Henderson, Howard.
Howe, Morgan, morrill,, (Me-D Morrill,. w.
Morton. Norton, Nye, Patterson. IN NJ
Pomeroy, Ramsey, Sherman. Stewart. Tbayer,
IiPton, W Hey, Williams, Wilson, and Ystes-
30.
senator johnson propounded the oueSt,op.
Dld you al any time. and when, before th,
President gave the order for the removal OF
MI stanton as Secretary OF War, advise the
President TO appoint another person
MI Manager Butler objected to the question
Senator DAVIS asked whether It was CONNIE
tent Tor any objection TO be made to a question
propounded by member of the court
The Chief Justice said the objection 70 a
question put by a member of the court eould
only come from the Court itself
Senator Drake objected TO the QUESTION. and
the Conrt refused TO allow IL, as follows:
1eds.-Messrs. Anthony, Bayard. Ruckalew
Dixon, Doolittle, Edmunds. Fessenden Fow
Ter, Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, johnson.
McCreery, Patterson, Tenn Ross, TrumbulI;
Van Wrinkle, and Vickers-Is
Noys.-Messrs. Cameron, Cattel Chandler
Cole, Conkling, Conness, Corbett. Crarin
dawes, Drake, Ferry, Frelinghuysen, Harian,
Howard, Howe, Morgan, Morrill,. Mel MO-
I'll, (Nt.) Morton, Norton, Nye, Patterson, IN.
HD Pomeroy, Ramsey, Sherman, Stewart
Ihayer Upton, Wiley, Williams, Wilson, and
Iates-32
ne counsel having no further questions for
General Sherman, the Chief Justice asked IN
The managers desired 10 cross-examine the v,t
ness; and, on their replying in the negative.
General sherman left the stand.
The Court then, al 2:l0, took a recess Of fifteen
minutes.
HOUSE OF RRPRRsENTATIvEs.-Hou was