The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-10-25


ton had with him on the subject.
e You gave him ten dollars for these five certih
Gates 7 A. Yes
q. We're any OF the parties in tie name OF whom
you gave to Rosenberg the list and paid him five dol
lars piece genuine or real partesY A. No they
were fictitious names that though Of right in q
moment.
Q. After you obtained these papsrs what did You
DO win themY A. brought them tie next morning
aud gave them to Marshal Murray.
CROSS-ExAMINATIONl
Q. What political party do you belong tor A. I
belong to no political party, but haze always voted
the republican ticket; i have lived al my lifetime in
New York, with the exception OF fog years served
In the army.
Q. HOW long have you been in -FOUR present DO
stlon as assistant assessors A. Two years last
June.
Q. Is Murray member OF the sams political party
az yourself9 A. don't know; belong to no politi-
cal organization; have not been engaged In collect
ing money for political purposes-nota bit OF It,
q. Who suggested to you the idea " entering on
this businesss A. Mr.. Webster, tie assessor in
whose onlce am; I have not the fiintest idea Of
@. And you at once fell In with the suggestion OF
WebsterS A. consented to do as he wanted me.
the witness cross.examnation was continued at
great length. but nothing mpeachlng or controvert-
Ing his direct testimony was ELECTED.
TESTIMONY OF NOBLE MCDONALD
BY Mr. COurtney-I am o letter carrier in the New
York Post ONCE; first saw the defendant, Rosen.
burg, last Wednesday morning, at No. Centre
street, In the basement.
q. Describe the place. A. 1t was an ordinary
lager beer saloon; on one side was barr00m; on
the other side were three small tables such as are
riting;there were papers on the tables and on the
shelf back OF them.
q. Detail infinitely what conversation yOu had
with him on that occasion.
Counsel for defence objected to evidence OF what
took place at time subsequent to the offence with
which the accused was charged. After long argu-
ment the Commissioner decided to hear che testi-
mony, which he would exclude II 1t did not come
Witness-I stated to Mr.. Rosenberg that under
STOOD could procure naturalization papers by APP
plying to HIM IN he asked VINO sent me- named the
then wanted TO Know II would sell them; said
certainly not; he wanted to know If was demo-
he then SAID he was willing to give me the papers
provided | wonld not use them against the demo-
for which was 10 pay him two dollars names
that gave were William McGinnts John McNally and
James Mccormick; the understanding was that
noon; Mr.. Rosenberg told me that it was not
necessary for me to pay him for the papers until
could have them by simply giving him the names of
the parties for whom required them; he said that
one dollar was to be paid to the person who per-
sonated the principal and one dollar to the person
who personated the Witness that he did not want to
make anything nor want me to make anything; that
he simply doing this for the benefit of the party:
believe that was all that TRANSFERRED.
Q. We're the names that you furnished genuine or
fictitious namess A. | believe they were fictitious
names. They were furnished to me.
q. Did you get the papers2 A. did not, for the
simple reason that Mr. Rosenberg Was arrested pre-
vious to the hour al which he was to deliver them
tome.
Q. Before you went there had you been informed
that Rosenberg furnished such papersg
Objected 10. Objection Overruled and except on
taken.
cured there by using little discretion; that was the
reason why went.
am attached to the General Post ONCE: am
republican In politics; l am attached to several
organizations in the Sixteenth ward; am secretary
OF one OF the Grant and Colfax clubs there and Pres
q. What Boys in Blue do You means A. mean
the Grant and Colfax Boys IN Blue.
Mr.. BRADY-He means the people who fought to
preserve ths government.
q. Do you take an active interest in politicss A.
do: have collected money az far as was necessary
to meet my expenses; have been engaged for
week or ten days In collecting money; decline
swerng how much have collected; decline answer
ing whether have subscribed money myself
q. Is there any secret organization to which you
belong OF which Marshal Murray Is the head or a
ton Of this city county for the benefit Of the
publican partyf A. There is not.
ou noag 70 no N Rck e sect View w which
O. Who suggested to you to go to this placer A.
Marshal Murray; agentleman called at my house
last Sunday and stated that General Charles X. Ora
ham requested him to name two three men in
whom he could conide to work this case up; vol
unteered; that was the nrst heard Of the matter
Y. Is there o naturalization office for the republi-
can party at IS Chambers street. A. There IL.
quarters and the headquarters or the democratic
party, 10 there. A. have been In there twice 10
get naturalization papers for men, and the difference
witnesses.
@ DO they give ont lager beer on one side Of the
room and citizenship on the other according 10 the
expression OF counsel (Mr. Bradye
Mr.. Hilton insisted that the answer to the proceed
ing question should be fully given before the other
Counsel for Defence Il meant physical
tangible difference.
witness-They give the papers at Chambers street,
In a vault under the sidewalk; they go through sa
loon to get at the vault. tLaughter.)
q. Who wrote those names for your A. Marshal
MURRAY: they are his invention.
q. When you mentioned those names to Mr. Rosen-
berg did you mention them as me names % real or
o. How many days last week did you perform ser.
vice as q letter carrierY
witness-I decline to answer
The Commissioned cannot go into that inquiry.
Counsel for delence-If public 0Iiicer devotes his
time 10 politics instead Of to his business 1t ought to
Mr.. brady know gentleman of the democratic
party who holds i've offices and does not do work in
q Did you ever get any naturalization papers
from the ONCE In Chambers street 7 A. did; two;
did not pay for then presume the republican
party did; knew the persons since May or June
@ neS a are 10 RoseSbera We're ase
the President OF the Twentieth ward Empire Club
Thomas Cullom) because knew him to be 4 well
known democrat In good standing with the party.
q. DO you believe that the republican party Is
gagged In making citizens improperly -,
Objected to by Mr.. Brady.
The commissioners do not want to 90 into those
questions; that a matter which will entertain at
any time that an affidavit properly vouched for ID
laid before me.
o. Have you made any efforts to detect lllcQality
In reference to the naturalizng OF citizens for the
benefit VI the republican partyf A. have not.
To Mr.. Brady-The persons whom had natural
ICED at Chambers street claimed to be legally entitled
and had their witnesses with them. | know OF no
objection to their being naturallzed. :.
TESTIMONY OF SAMUEL REYNOLDS.
Nv Mr.. Courtney-I live at 1871 West Twentieth
street, am storekeeper In q bonded warehouse; 1
got some naturalization papers from Rosenberg at
No. Centre street: saw him there In the basement
OF the Eldorado there IL lager beer saloon one
side and lot Of naturalization Offices the other,
all In the one room; there were tables there and
some persons acting as clerks; 1t was last Wednes-
day that first saw him.
same objection on the part OF the defence, that
the time was subsequent to the commission Of the
offence charged. Objection overrued and ex-
cepti0n taken.
Witness lcontnuing)-I called upon him with q
list OF some names to be naturazed; I said they
were poor men and did not want the trouble and
expense OF coming down town, as they were al
work; he asked me how many there were; told