The Portland daily press. [volume] (Portland, Me.) 1862-1921, 1868-04-11

l vor, although the confession Of criminvl coul'
always be used against him; he expressed u
belief that the remarks about supporting Cd
Constitution and laws were pre-arrangeo an'
manufactured for effect.
| haarsav of what Gen. Thomas said was intro
| duced upon pledge that the President woult
| be connected with it. Now the President
Counsel nronose to show from Gen, Thoma
himself what were the instructions and wha
| was the Intention of the President.
| At the suggestion of Mr.. Bingham the oues
| tion objected to was produced in writing an,
read by the Secretary. He then argued in SIM
| port of the objection; he denied that the man
| ayers had introduced hearsay evidence: tb,
declarations of co-conspirators was primar,
evidence; he said it was trifling with Justice
and an attempt to introduce utteranceS of Al
accused criminal.
IN his own behalf the Chief Justice ther
submitted to the Senate the question of ad
nitung Thomas testimony in regard to the
conversation, and the yeas and nays resulted
- TO III. SO the evidence was admitted.
Witness stated to the President that he haG
delivered the communication to Mr.. Stanton
and told him what answer had been made
The President then said to him: "Very we'll
90 on, take possession and obey orders" This
was all that occurred; did not see the Presi-
dent again that evening; next morning wit
ness was arrested; went with the marshal to
the White House; told the President he was
custody and on what charge; the President
replied, Very well, that is just where want
it-ln court" Witness then left at his hotel
on giving bail he asked Judge Cartier if he was
In the mainline suspended from his functions
Judge Cartier replied in the negative, and ex-
planned the effect of giving bail; witness mar
rated the circumstances and conversation
which occurred after he went to the War Office
the same morning after the members of Con-
grass, who had witnessed his interview with
Mr.. Stanton had retired, Thomas said to Mr..
stanton, THE next time you have me arrested
do it after breakfast; have nothing to eat or
drink" Naughter.) Stanton then, in play
ful manner, ran his hand through witness
hair and said. well, General, think we have
iittie something here" whereupon General
Shriyer produced a small bottle, and Stanton
divided its contents-about spoontul-into
two parts and they took drink together; SUBJ
sequently some full bottles were brought in
and this was all the "force" that was used that
day. (Great laughter.)
MI. Stanbery asked if tie President had
eve directed him to use force, intimidation or
threats to obtain possession of the War De-
partment
Objection being made it was aroned Inv
Messrs. Butler and Evarts.
Without division, the Senate allowed the
question to be put.
Mr.. Thomas replied in the negative. As to
MS conversation with Mr.. Burleigh, he said he
never invited him to come to his office; had
'~'~ w hiLh VI w Hhiusou CndC ne would call
on Gen Grant or kick the doors down; knows
nothing about Kaisner; supposes he NAV have
seen MIN 1orty-one years ago when he was ill
at nome; Kaisner introduced himself as an
old acquaintance and hung on to him by the
nand' when he made the remarks, several
times repeated, about Delaware having her
eyes upon him; Kraisner then asked him
when ne was going to kick that fellow out, and
he adopted Kraisner's words, and said he
would 90 1t IL few days; never thought
about Kicking Stanton out
Cross-examined-From March 1861 tn Fah
To- 1868, did not perform office duties of Adm
tant general; Mr.. Stanton took to the Presi-
dent Gen. Grants Recommendation to retire
withess, put there was no unpleasant feeling
between them; had no intimation before the
1o5n OF February that the President wished to
max nm Secretary of War ad interim; swore
by mistake to the contrary when examined by
the House Committee, but corrected his evil
dence afterwards; he sworo then he had re-
celved an lntimation to that effect two weeks
previously from Col. Moore; told the Presi-
that he would obey orders; did not expect to
receive any particular order when he received
a note from Col. Moore Feb. d: he did NOT
know what the President wanted him for; af-
ter returning from the War Department he
did not tell the President that Mr.. Stanton
was not going to give up the Office, or that
such was witness opinion; did not show him
StantOn's letter; did not think it necessary:
what he said to Wilkinson about applying to
Gen. Grant was only Boosting; what he said
to Burleigh about breaking down the doors he
felt inclined at that time to do; changed his
mind on this point before he was arrested; the
arrest did not produce the change; his inten-
ton TO use force was in reverse of the Pres-
dents orders; never expressed to the Presi-
dent his belief that he could not obtain possess
sion without using force; suggested to the
e ire e that the best wayto get possession
OF the papers and mails Of the office was by
issuing an order through Gen. Grant; the
PRESIDENT has never said anything TO him
about his published expressions; the Presi-
dent has not acted on his suggestion how to
OBTAIN possession of the papers; had admitted
before the House Committee that Kaisner's
testimony was correct, but explained that he
used the words attributed to him playfully.
The cross-examination was concluded, and
'be Court adjourned at $40 O'clock. eFF
HOUSE.
The House met at noon. A message was re-
,eived from the Senate announcing the pas
sage of several private bills.
Mr. Blaine, Of Maine, offered resolution
directing the Committee on Appropriations to
inquire into the expediency OF defining more
accurately the time and manner of Carrying
unexpended appropriations to the surplus fund
and converting The same into the Treasury.
Adopted. g. ~T ~afa t-r-9T
The Speaker announced that after the House
'e-assembled he would present various execu-
i've communications, but that no other bust
ness would be done. no ETf 81
The House resolved itself into committee of
The whole and proceeded to the Senate cham
Der.
The members at twenty minutes past tive re-
turned to the Hall.
The Speaker laid before the House several
executive communications. Adjourned.
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