New-York tribune., 1868-04-18

follow tbe axenpe % Laughter and cheers The ancient
poets represented that when the or o co1n
try the whole population invariably smiten WIN
the e9ntagon and began dancing a4G that all the Irish
churchmen instead of taking TO disoyalty VIII nex ~
cut their capers in making new Gnu eanrSs Ss ,omn delight
ful to all the English peope but, with the snstanss,
advantages Of will not be ape % e lead to
tho tho downfall q the English Church. Laughter and
cheers The noble lord described the i9y tSs con-
tnuance Of the Establishment [Cheersl When tnepy
we us a cS%n sSna gpSn 81 s yay
people, my answer to the calumny Is that 99n & pe
Of instances in which this process Of diaestabshment
has been accomplished, and in Scotland America anu
nearly all colonies the Churchmen exist IN eomiort
aud prosperity and settle their religious controversies as
well we do. Hear, hearI In Jamaica the Govern.
dscstabshmen of the Church II the result Of estab
lshment England is such as he described tnat Is
free air Of the wilderness Hear hear, and laughter
The right honorable gentlemnns lNr Disraes u0cerho
dssoution when such questions como up for consdera
toni must notice recommend Nun 10 Tead sD9 u
10 the Act set up this very doctrine and he got pretty
setting down from NJ Pitt Hear bonT nSt per
NIT me- 20 exhibit the ultra-democratic, the anarcmcal
nature OF the doctrine Loud cheers here s minis %
ter Of the Crown who says that subjects OF secondary
magnitude may be dealt with by Parliament, but when
subject touches fundamental law II lS tneI QUIZ outy " 2 go
petent dealing with the question Cheers was sorry
TO hear 1t once from Prime Minister twice am sure u
Will never be. Loud cheers
Mr.. DlsRAELI said he had said it twice
Mr GLADsToSE-Twice by the right honorable gentle;
following tho right honorable gentleman on the first
occasion, because, unfortunately he IolIoWea me,
can lHear, hearl He says there is nothing dlstn'
gushing IN the present state OF Ireland 70 .uv
and lie took them in detail arguing that because none Oh
them sngy gave G aL was Seap nT' The Tct hon.
Orabe gentleman has been too liberal 10 me 10 ms iSor
cvl notice Of my life. During nine years or iae - hfo
been Chancellor % the EXchcQucr; but during ono ohy
have had the responsibility OF leader OF thl' house
idnot propose tpls when ~ 100 We ssneu iyr
Of the Habeas Corpus act because eIreustt@hees @
were not ripe then as they are now loud augher rom
far did not know what we Know now Oh the ln-
ensity Of Fenanlsm ION, obi 40 melnpet Oh Ihe goN
ernInent would have been justified In giving the oincla
account Of 1t which we have had fro inc 0Dle lou anu anu
we were occupied with the Reform bill. lCheerSl Tue
OF personal liberties suspended Tor three years. anu te
country is in possession OF an enemy anu q poIge
force organized as an amy Ihat ~ sate on onhgs "a
which the power OF this country keeps down the eIelehs
OF disanectlOn, sedition and disloyay IN Heand IS
that condition In which II u saie 0f tls County @ 20
continue II true the material condition OF tne people
is improved and il is the fact that wnle that s the ease
disafecon has increased that imposes Oh Faiianeht
the duty OF looking this matter IN te race you nve IN
Ireland the ministers Of the Established Church with little
work and much pay the ministers OF the PresbyteIlan
Church with much work ana niue pay ana ne M
OF the Rom, Catholic Church Wlth much WORK and no
pay. The majority on this side OF the House believe mat
the connection between Church ana STATE ~ aneceu Dy
the circumstances OF the tme as regards the authority
the state the people and divisions IN rengous De-
lief and TO them say that IL impossible to maintain
the Establishment In Ireland lCheersl want TO know
how the Government propose to meet TINS serious wrong
And now we come the object OF the night hon. gentle
man. take clear and lnteigibe issue He says II we
disestabsh the Church IN Ireland we sha dsassociate
the prucpe OF religion from the state and lead TO its
DISSATISFACTION Scotland and England We propose 10
sever the Establishment from the state, ana II we are
asked whether we would thereby sever RELIGION irou
the State, | answer that, in the condition OF
Ireland where the Gh1rSG G%ePCT & 9e Of ha
of things the best way 10 give true religious character
threatens with the progress OF ths devastating
influence into other countries We must Judge each country
by itself; and no argument lroln country were tne
maintenance OF an Establishment seems just can support
an Establishment where II Is not just ana nothing could
less justify such course than the OF tne oy
ernment and Their friends, VINO seem 10 20 reauy II
these resolutions carried 10 lead an attack on the
Church OF England Cheers, and cries OF on, Oh u
And now we come 70 examine the plan OF the Goyern
mcnt. Tho Home Secretary by the way, read letter
best TO obtain the that letter from the editor Of
The Morning Herald but he has not yet been able TO send
t was rash proceeding the part OF the right honor
able gentleman to found parliamentary attack upon
having rest and not having tho least idea Of its
contents Opposition cheers The reference IN IL 20 the
dOned. Laughter from the Ministerial benchesl Not
such an idea as honorable gentleman OPPOSITE sup
ton 20 the act Of Union, for they treat as u assured
the Church possession OF its property bnt the act does
my mind the dmuniton OF Irish bishops IN the House
OF Lords. and still regret tnat dinnnluon nad az
present dimensions, should nave sad perhaps hVe per
haps ten years AZ the same time tnHf IN IL ia 70 ave
think II the right honorable gentleman tr Hardy had
been In ia lsSS 10 nc from Ta ba
Mr. HARDY was understood to say that he had been
Mr.. GLADsroNE: That is matter which might bear
some little discussion but il right hon. gentleman
means to say that he thinks he would have been elected
advocate OF household suffrage III 1868 had ms
4
that ls not my opinion lCheers % !. ana iangnteri
privilege of the State to maintain the hight OF the Refor
nation In Ireland That sounds very ne; but that
not its only glory. II has also the glory Of paying
100000 year the College Of Maynooth to send forth
some hundred priests 10 teach aud propagate
the religion OF the Church of ROme-lhear, hear, and
iaughterl-and even now the right hon. gentle
man would go stl further and endow Roman Catholic
spirit OF the speech OF the right hon. gentleman in 1874
distinctive, and now comes between the privilege and
the churches by elevation Hear hear The right hon.
gentleman used another expression. lie said You must
remarkabIe expression What does it meant Hear,
hear In remarkable speech delivered by the right
Hon. gentleman the Maynooth grant, the House was
asked II they were about TO adopt what the Right
hon. gentleman called the "Panheistie principle"
YOU sever the Church from the State endow the
Roman Catholic Churchi For my part, believe the
Proestants OF Ireland would say Sever the connection
between Church aud State and don't endow the Roman
Catholic Church" Opposition cheers and laughter
Well what does the right hon. gentleman now propose ~
doi Cheers Is not the only intehgibe construction OF
his ambiguous remarks that he 10 prepared TO do now
that which he emphatically condemned then.
Hear hearl Is the country prepared for that Cheers
There was Il time when that might have been done. 1t
might been done in the time OF Mr. Pitt aud even
some what latter But it To be always tho fate Of
the Conservative party 10 be trying tho castof
clothes O the Liberal party but there be doubt
that such policy would be repudiaed by the people
every OF the three Kingdoms The plain issue now
at stake Is this The Liberal party propose that the Irish
Church should TO exist establishment, al
though with every regard TO vested interests On the
other hand hs right hon gentleman must be aware that
it is impossible retain the irish Church IL s while
any mere internal reforms institution VIII do nothing
tho dissatisfaction and discontent TO which II
gives rise. Answering the appeal Of Mr. Roebuck the
right honorable gentleman defended the conduct OF the
4 refer In hc