New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1868-06-05
NETWORK, FRIDAY, JUNE 5, 1865.
The general debate closed at o'clock, and the Com
mittee proceeded 10 consider the hill In detail.

Revenue Commissioner Department. The effect of the
section would be that while that officer would have auto
cratic power in appointing and removing all the Internal
Revenue Officers In the country the President might the
missioner and appoint another al interim, which other
person could then turn out every officer in the Depart
Mr.. LOGAN (Rep. I'D opposed the amendment. The
power TO appoint must rest somewhere and 1t might as
well rest with the Commissioner with other person
II the Commissioner to be responsible for the cOec
ton OF the revenue let him have the selection Of his sub
Mr.; JUDD Rep., ND moved to amend the section by
providing that the Commissioner shall be subject
oya or to suspension only with the advice and consent
| OF the Senate.
responsibility was at last recognized by the House.
ton The question was one merely Of form and not of
substance He instanced numerous where officers
were months recommended to be removed for fraud
not one OF whom had yet been removed.
Mr. BECK Dem. Ky.l opposed the first section, and
right to create Department and declare who shall hll It,
was for the President by and with the advice and con-
MT GS M heP Temp replied to mat objection
Which was ~ raised by Congress from the position Of
Bureau without any such obligations being made:
of the Collector OF the Eighth District Of Sew.YOrE
That office had been badly led, that revenue could
change Five or six Democrats had been nominated by
| the President, and all OF them rejected.
Mr.. WOODWARD Dem, PENN instanced a similar
In his district where responsible Democrats
had been rejected, one after another
Mr.. NICHOLSON Dem, Deli, replied 10 Mr. May
nard remarking that in OF the department OF Agi
culture, the appointment made after the passage Of
Mr. LOGAN characterized the arguments against the
section as strange logic which he could not understand
It did not interfere IN any way with the constitutional
provisions inlreference to appointments; II was mere
change " authority from one department 20 another
Mr. JONES Dem KY took the ground that the sec
tion was at variance with the constitution The section
made Office, and 1t for the President and not
for Congress TO make the appointment.
Mr. sCIIENCK replied TO the objection. and argued
against the Constitution provisional in regard TO appoint
The section had the single object OF reducing
one head. Under the system which vests the RESPONSE
by In the President the Secretary the Treasury aud
ns He sea We NJ steal or
you STEAL Let all steal" lIAughterl
Mr. BLAINE remarked that One-ilfth OF the revenue
offices the hands OF thieves and that under tho
proposed section the other ourfths would soon be IN
Mr. PILE thought that instead OF NTH OF the Offices
being thieves, four.hnhs Of them are thieves
MI RANDALL dem, PENN remarked that seven
cghtls ~ tho revenue officers are Republicans .,
hfr - Enc 4 alluded 10 the of the Collector OF
the Third District IN Pennsylvania, whose removal had
been recommended by the Commission months ago, and
whom the proofs showed to be political adycnturer
WHO was gossiy intimate with dstillers and rcctincrs
who were cheating the Government but whose case ad
not yet been acted In spite Of all the efforts Of the
Csmmisso aud Secretary TO get him out Of Office.
Mr.. RANDALL remarked that the Collector bad good
record ana that he believed he was prosecuted by
the Commissioner for political cause.
Mr.. WOOD expressed the opinion that the revenue
frauds were not confined 10 men Of either political party
The remedy the reduction OF the rate Of taxation
Mr.. GARFIELD did not believe that the first section
shonld be entirely expunged but that II should be mod
incd by striking out that pars Of h which makes Of It
Air FAESSWORTH REP, Ill was opposed to the soc.
on, vho'e effect be thought would BE- to legislate M
Rouus out OF Office Ecs.drs he pir. Farnsworth con
sldcrrd very doubtful policy 70 clotne any one man
Win such an cuoruo'r amount Of patronage.
Dir INGEilsOLL agreed with Mr. Farnsworth
Mr ELAINE remarked that u the Commissionor OF In
tcTuul A. removed to-day and another person
put in hs place al Hicu, that person could turn
out every officer pc the department. ht. johnson wac
shrwd Boz controlling patronage ana would grasp at u'
M PoLtSD d:rI.. VI argued that Congress had not
Tie COZ tIinlr,s pc rr 20 ciate ~ iuo s, ~ :" pm
should De- at tie head 81 IT, That what proposed
here lie would move t. amend that section by W9yd-
ng that The President should, by aud with Tue advice
and consent oi the Senate appoint The head Of tie depart
The question was token on Mr.. Jndds amendment that
tic tOin-OLC should De subject orrmONt ur suspfn-
un only lbs and with The adj, Ieo aud the Sou
ate. aud % agreed TO.
Mr. GARFIELD dlcT.. Ohio, moved to amend The sec.
toa by making II read that the pdirr uf Commissioner of
Internal Revenue hc continued. That would effect tAc
object Of Mr.. Blauts melton.
Mr. BLAINE Withdrew his motion 20 strike ont the nrat
section.
changed rs 20 place the responsibility single OIL
Ger, the revenue could not be collected,
Mr. LAWRENCE Gep, ohio affirmed that Congress
had the right 10 put In tie bill provision that the Com
missioner OF Internal Revenue should not he removed
until December next Desperate diseases Inc added, re-
Mr.. DLLANO dcp, Ohio admitted that the question
embraced In the first section wac capable OF argument on
both sides, but he heles that Congress had the right to
take the course proposed
The question was taken on Ar. Garilclds amendment
which strikes out the words creating u department.,
and simply PoNge gY the oiGe 81 commissions , ot
ellors there ~ Yeas and 80 Nays 10 quorum. The
Chairman directed the roll TO be called.
MI. GARFIELD asked Mr.. schenck 10 let the amend
melt be adopted, and have vote by yeas and nays in
the House. go
to lose his bin. The roll called, and yj utmbcr-
making with the Speaker, quorum answered to tneir
The telcrs resumed their places. and the vote was
again taken resuitiug-lcas, 4G NHys, ~ The thalr
voted IN the negative, makisa quorum ana Tie amend
Mr.. JONES moved to amend by providing that the
e1toUI Ia. tod and N
Mr. INGERsOIL moved an amendment TO the same
Mr.. FARNsWoRTH moved to strike out the FIRST sec.
ton. Rccctcd-only 90 voting Ia the Affirmative. Tie
st sfft .oaii "a ~ S - s's Ho C Representatives. Of IL,
~ It,e,g Ryenue ami the sane IS hereby established
aud constituted department 81 The Government 6, he deAs5 Hd
Of which Department shall be the Commissioner Of ntern' Revenue
whose .a ,la be $500 ef 1,7l ,Sl T % s 1 o & Once
only by With bs Se aui whenever The ohee Of
aAion or oerse he Pcu, shall nominate and By ant aa We
s os' and ''''' Of the Senate appoint 4'' '''''' TO
Mr. sELYE Rep, n. " moved TO amend the third see
ton by providing that no feminine CLERKS shnn DC en-
ders who served In the last WARM the army oil the United
States 80
der and asked whether she should be excluded.
Sot ~ ~, Sir" said Mr.. sELYE, eve will take her
Mr. FGRSsw6RTH suggested that it should also in
clude he OF soldiers.
Mr. sEIYE accepted that modification, and remarked
that half OF the feminine clerks IN the departments were
daughter of wealthy men OF Washington.
Mf MAYNARD suggested that many women EN-.
ployed clerks who had no relatives IN the army Out
who did service themselves IN the hospitals,
Mr. sCHENCK suggested that the amendment should
also include the Army and Marine Corps.
The question taken on Mr. selye's amendment and
II was rciected-lO to ST.
Mr. sELYE offered another amendment, requiring clerks
TO work eight hours, and that only ~ many ~ were
needed should be employed.
The amendment was agreed 10.
Mr.. HOOPER withdrew the amendment.
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