The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1868-04-04


WAS taken in the same way.
Re-dtreet-Thsre were many Interrupt
tiOns and pauses-
Mr.. Butler-Then the President and
the crowd were bandying epithets?
Objected to and the question with
drawn.
Mr.. Butler then asked what the crowd
said, and told the witness he might re-
fresh his memory by the memoranda
before him.
Mr.. Evarts objected that newspapers
were not memoranda.
The objection was argued by Messrs.
Butler and Evarts.
The Chief Justice ruled that the wit
ness might refer to a newspaper copy If
he knew 1t to be correct.
The witness proceeded to read an ex.
tract, narrating the interruptions,
which enabled him TO write ont portions
OF what the President said verbatim.
Cross -ErGntined-Took down what
the crowd said, and at the same time
caught up with my report of what the
President said; the accounts of the in
terruptions which have inst been given
were all read byme from the paper be-
fore me.
d. C. AicEtOe1l, shorthand reporter,
teStIfed-l accompanied the President
and party as reporter for the World.
The witness produced a stenographical
report of the Cleveland speech, and also
copy of the accurate transcript of the
report written out, and handed it to the
agent of the Associated Press, Mr.. Go
bright; witness put down a portion of
the interruptions; it was impossible to
get all; there was great deal of noise
and confusion; think there were ex-
pressions of i'll feeling OF temper on the
part ofthe crowd; the President was a
little excited; the crowd said don't get
Mr.. ButIer-Did he Rnnsar cops;dor,-
bly, excited then?
Mr.. EyRrts-That is not part of the
present inquiry.
Mr.. Butler-The allegations deny
there was scandalous and disgrace
fu1 scene; the conditions being that the
counsel for the President claim free.
dom of speech, and we claim decency
of speech. We are now trying to show
the indecency of the occasion.
Mr.. Evarts-I understand freedom of
speech In this country to mean liberty
to speak properly and discreetly.
Mr.. Butler-I regard the freedom of
speech in this country as freedom of the
private citizen to say anything in de.
cent manner.
Mr.. Eyarts-Yes it is something,
who is to judge of the decency.
Mr.. Buller-The Court before which
man is tried for breaking the laws.
Mr. Evarts-Did you ever hear of u
man being tried for the freedom OF
speech?
Mr.. Bntler-No, but 1 saw two or
three who ought to have been.
witness, who said:
could not see the President; only
heard the tone of his voice; he seemed
excited; do not know what
Is his manner from personal acQuaint-
ance, when he is angry. On
cross.examinRtiou witness said no, and
4 tod NkN6 NHy1N al 81,
before it ended, besides certain SEN
tences broken of by Interruptions OF
the crowd; only took the principal ex.
clamattons; could not hear all of them;
the transcript of the speech here was
made two weeks ago from the notes OF
two years agoi think them as accurate
as If transcribed then.
Edlpin B. Stark eIdmined-Was for.
merly shorthand reporter; reported
the speech of the President al
Cleveland on the night of the Sd OF
September, 1866. for the Cleveland
Herald in short-hand; it was published;
notes not now in existence; suppose
they were thrown in the waste basket;
(copy of the paper produced by wit.
messy; in some places substance was
! given instead OF literal words; read
from pArt of the report just what
johnson said. "Where Is the man liy.
Ing or the woman in the community
/ WIN AdN0 MEOuBeu = OF W1Gf6 Is Inc
person who can place their finger or
enc single pledge that I have violated
or one single violation of the Constitu.
ton of my country2 What tongue
does he speak2 What religion does hI
profess Let him come forward anC
put his finger upon one pledge 1 havl
violated" Witness continued, therl
were then Interruptions, and various
remarks were made. of which
have noted one, because it wal
tho only one Mr.. johnson paiC
lany attention to, that was a voice
"Hang JEFF. Davis" The President sale
Chang JEFF. Davis2 Hang JEFF. Davis
Why don't youf" There was thel
some applause and interruptions anC
he repeated "why don't yon2" Their
was again applause and interruption
and the President went on, "HaYe yoU
not the court? Have you not got thu
courts2 Have you not the Attorney
General? Who Is your Chief Justicei
Who has refused to sit at the tEia2'
There were then some interruptions
and applause; he said "I am not the
Prosecuting Attorney; 1 am not the
jury; but will tell you what did do
called on your Congress, which Ii
trying to break up the Government. ,
Here were interruptions and confusion 4
and may have been words uttered by
the President which did not hear, but
think not; then the President went
on to say, "But LET the Prejudiees
Mr.. Butler-Go to the conclusion
where you reported accurately.
Witness commencing little before
the specifications commences, he says:
'sIn bidding you farewell here tonight
III would ask you with all the
pains that Congress has taken
to culminRte and mRllgu me,
what has Congress done? Has Il
done anything to restore the Union OF
the Stahes3 But TO the contrary, has 1t
not done everything to prevent 1t, and
because stand now as I did when the
rebellion commenced, have been de-
nounced as q traitor. Ny countrymen
here tonight, who has suffered more
than II Who has run greater risks
than II Who have borne more than I?
but Congress, factions, domineerfng,ty-
frannical Congress, has undertaken to
poison the minds Of the American peo-
pie, and create a feeling against me.
So far these were Mr.. Johnson's words.
The witness completed the sentence
in this fashion: "In consequence of the
manner in which have distributed the
public patronaRe.o These were not Mr..
Johnson's words, but a condensation
in summary way, the reasons which
he gave at that point for rthefmaliEning,
Mr.. EEarts to Mr.. Butler-Do yon
/ propose to put all int
Mr.. Bntler-We do. ] observe in the
answer of the President that objection
is made that We did not put in all he
said. I mean to give all.
II HttlleS6 Cross EEuHGSaed = By Mr.
EYarts-Said in determining what part
70 give in full and what part condensed,
j he WAS perhaps influenced somewhat
1 by what he Considered would be little
more spicy or interesting to the reader.