The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-11-04

unu ault with ~ was unwhlnx " eneoI nso ~
winch, though important, were secondary 70 the
main question at issue. You have nearu sometnlhe
shs year about meetings In my sisung room. We nad
meeting In my sitting room 20 CONSIDER seriously
whether we could venture this year 70 AJAX the
opinion OF the House OF commons on tno ques-
ton OF the public expenamure sau ANA
felt impossible interfere win the progress VI the
Reform bills, and we should nave procured from the
OF EXPENDITURE, given probably from motives ex-
traneous TO the question OF expenditure but which
would have been damaging To the cause OF bic
economy. Hear, heir.) say, therefore, that upon
1lese greater questions we went as Tar a. we could
or dared We're Justified BY regard to your interests
n gong declare our opinion OF the conduct OF the
government: and 1t Ia idle and un rue TO say that
those views ana proceedings OF the government
not questioned, as any one may satisfy himself who
cnooaes to consult the records OF Parliament
But while II IL quite true that the sum total OF the
pupiie expenditure depends upon those greater sub
lects II Is also true that there minor subjects less
Important but not altogether unIaportant,
which It may sometimes be possible to quesiO and
regard 10 those minor subjects, ] beg 10 assure you
THAT when we saw the opportunity we did question
them both by debate and Dy division.
And here come TO my answer TO Mr. Turner and
10 my friend the w0rsngman and 1t Is this: that
whenever we did question them, there was MIR.
Tnrnsr Ia his place 70 vote against Us. t,hame.)
Iuaity onered US last year. What you have
to lear when you raise these questions OF
economy Is mat the supporters OF the government
will denounce them as party questions, and will IN
that way eayeiOp them in cloud OF preud ce. We
SAW on the l0Lice paper titS year u no Ice OIL
tion waicn il passed, would have sasel The country
certain sun OF money, tiak so ne go o0J year,
perhaps ulore. it WAS TO the effect that the ex-
peses OF certain commissions fela in to copyho ds,
enclosure and tithe, which had been charged the
consolidated fund, shou be Dorne not by the state,
but by the persons wao toal benefit from the opera
uolS % ldOSc COMMISSIONS. fnls motion, which
We Thought very rational was made by Mr.. GoldneY,
man " mash MLeig ence, who sits on the
government slle o tie House. There we had
al oDportuai y, De SC MI. Goldney being the
mover OF ue no ion aud acting MOI III concert with
us, II was no. possible To cast upon is the dlscreit
or party motion. What did We dor We supported
MI. Goldney, AID what happenadl We carried our
motion by one, not oy slxty-hve let my friend the
nolkingmal observe. Noes 1j5--that WAS in favor
81 Mr.. Gcldney's motion; ayes lgithat was favor
~ the government. so keen were the sovernme ut
to ress this reduction OF he expenditure that after
being thus beaten on q division some ruinor went
ABROAD that one o. two members had come into the
House AMI thaJ the government might obtain upon
second tue, ana were again beaen by one--(hear,
hear)-the numbers beng io5 for the mo-
a ni nees ed NOT io5 s IN yoS teas aGs
among The Io5; ana who was among the
lo4 and 1902 Mr.. Charles Turner. member Tor South
Lancashire. Therefore iel Mr.. Turner, with al
possible respect that one Of the reasons why we
could not operate the reductions we desired was
thar he was always In his place to oppose them. |
have given you that specimen because l think one
pract,ca! specimen Is worth great deal or vague
and general statement.
same important subject. | told our friends 81 War
rngton thai there appeared to have grown up under
Tie present u system OIL Wnat called
respect 10 the public expenditure, making things
pleasant al round, going from town to town grant
tng wAA this, thaI. or the other community
wants, and eayng out OF sight the huge public
which, unfortunately, has not got the voices and
the advocates ready always to defend IL against these
local and particular claims but OF which II Is our
highest boast that we seek 10 be the advocates aud
the champions told you that was the aystem pur-
sued. told the story of case IN which candidate
In me government interest ut this moment goes 10
hls st.uency, complains that he could not get
tile liberal government to surrender for 60 500 debt
OF 40 COO, but that when the conservative govern
meat came IN tie weather nai changed greatly In
bis favor ana that be found no difficulty IN arranging
The matter; whereupon he says, return me TO
Parliament aud not tie supporter Of the
liberal party.n That Is Tie operation constantly
gong on, and that ~ the operation which l call
upon yol 70 baile and defeat. tiioar, hear.l Even
since vest riay week have bad the clearest proof,
wnlca viii now give YOU OF the truth OF what
then said. said this government aud its adherents
are constantly endeavoring 10 create elecu0aeering
Interests b means OF local expenditure betrayed out
OF the pubic purse. That Is my charge. Before the
weeS was out there came . letter from Whitley.
Whithy IL a town IN the politics OF which take q
great interest AZ the present moment tiiear hear.)
Wnithy is q seaport, and the conservative party
there not having chance OF winning the election by
Any far means, or IN any way whatever, in their
desperation have puDlishei piacard, the purport
OF when has been sent to me, saying, ..Who
LUCE at Whtbys The liberals, Who wanted
To- spend four millions TO make harbors OF
taat Is gong from time 70 time; aye, and pretty
constantly too. tuear, hear" and Eve are much
OLDIcl To lOu.'J dtu uiucu OoiKtu W you
And let me add If IL il an allowable mode OF speech
you are very much Obliged 10 yourself because by
sending my friend anc myself to Parliament you
viii be not only doing that which Is good for the
public bat that which is lood for yourself as an
Individual member Of the public. .Bear. hear.l
Gentlemen, had never said thai II was wrong
20 assist the formation OF hartcrs of refuge. Why
this conservative party at Whtby ought 10
have known, If they knew anything at all
about IL, that the government OF Lord Pal
merston passed through Parliament bill for giving
Judlcious assistance, instead Of Wild, exuavagan5
and loving assstance-snear, hear)-for such pur-
pose; and that under tie assistance 40 given there
are at this moment la formation at newcastle and
down 10 tie mouth Of the river Tyne probably ihc
most magnificent marine worSs that ever were ui.
deIraken by local community. Therefore, had
never run such ABSURD extreme Ar 10 say THAT
under 10 possible circumstances was the state 70
rpcoxuize the pubic interest In the formation OF 10
ca IL IS most proper TIA. local works snousu
be properly assisted But what did say was this
There was loDsc Gdlgested tlll nj Tor nothing cx-
cept 10 stimulate local. cupidiiy 20 feed ITSELF upon the
pubic purse; that plan was supported and sus-
tanned by the conservative party generally,
aud by many OF the present ministers when resisted
h. the goy crnilenI of Lord Ialherston: ana ihht,
though the Hose Vi Commons unfortunately
saOpel Il By IN address 10 Inc crown, We refused
10 net upon the address OF tho House al Commons.
It yery well 20 Try 70 get me people OF Wnioy.
by an appeal to Their local Interests, winch am
mite ceFraln wil iaf cuMemptibiy 10 Gnd fault
win us because We stcoi ~ icr public interests.
Bat wnat - be san b. no friends 81 Mr Turner
ssd Nj Cross 81 their friends the conservatives Of
Mhltby VINO are Roasting OF this cnorm us cNnendi-
turc OF many inillons OF money which was 10 be
made for no useful or pube purposes whatever, nut
from iencled and supposed purpose Of dong go0d
80 one, tive three. fOuf or 1--WE particular
spots on certain coast o! England, With an elyr-
nous and almost Unreasonable charge To the coun-
try al large. icnr. hear.l II you really want 10 be
served sou must draw 4 distinction between ttose
who Try 10 serve Jon and those WHO 10 not tifeaf.
hear II you are c0nteniCl 70 ali0W-- do not moan
you who are Ia this ROOM but You tie electors Of
South agcashife Who are ont OF tots room and TIL
electors u tbs country Irrespective Of party ara
place--u YOU are conLcnted 10 aow these methods
OF expenditure 10 20 on this continental system'Of