The Evansville journal. [volume] (Evansville, Ind.) 1866-1870, 1868-04-11

Il performed about he close of 1867: was re-
stored to office du5y as Adfufant General
by order OF the President, February b. 1858
saw the President S, on afterwards.
Rutler obJected to he question. q What
Wftnss then stated that on the morn
ming o. February Dist be received a note
from the private secretary of the Presi-
qent asking him to come to the Waite
House He went, and the Pres dent hand
ed nm papers, being letter to Stanton
aud his own letter OF authority; never
preparing them. The President said to
him: . Intend to support the COnstttu-
Glon and laws, and expect you to do the
same Witness went TO the War Depart
ment with Gen. Williams, and demanded
possession. stanton asked II time would
re granted 10 remove MS papers General
Grant was present, aud showed him bis
appointment a. Secretary dd interim. Wit
ness thea retired to his room. The same
day he received letter from stanton for
bidding him to SIZE any orders as Secre-
tary OF war qd interim, which letter Wit
f. ness proceeded to read
Stanbery-W was said in the conver-
satiOn between you and the President
subsequently on the same days?
Butler objected, and argued at some
length that conversation relating to IL
could not pc put In as. evidence, If they
occurred subsequent to the commission.
Stanbery replied, cOntending that IL was
clearly admissible as bearing on the
charge Of conspiracy, and calling atten- |
ton o the fact that the Managers had in
troduced a large amount OF testimony /
about conversation held long after the !
dence what Gen. Thomas had said when |
not on oath, and portion Of his evidence /
now should be admissi ole.
Butter reiOIued. challenging the produe-
ton OF legal authorities to prove that 1
what one conspirator said to another after /
an act was committed, could be put q as 4
evidence ia lhis favor. Although the con- 1
fesslons OF . criminal cou-d always be /
used against him, he expressed the be- /
lief 1hat { ne remarks about supporting the 4
Constitution and laws were pre-arranged
and manufactured Tor effect, and the yeas
anu nays resq-ted 42 10 10; 50 the evidence
Evarts reminded him that the hearsay
evidence Of what Gen. Thomas said was |
Introduced on q pledge that The President |
would be convicted with it. Now the /
Presidents counsel propose to show from
Gen. Thomas himself what were his in
tentIons and what was the in ntention Of
the President. no
At Bingham's suggestion, the question
OBJECTED 20 was reduced TO writing and
read Dy the Secretary. He Them argued IN
support Of the objection. He denied that
the Managers had introduced hearsaY evil
dsnce- The declarations Of co-conspira- 4
tors were primary evidence. He said IL |
was trifitng with justice and an attempt to
introduce the differences OF an accused 1
in his own behalf.
The ChiefJ Justice then submitted to the
Senate the question of admitting Thomas
testimony ia regard to the conversation.
Witness stated to the President that he | I
had delivered the communication to stan ,
ton, and to HIM what answer had been 5
.ion ana obey Gbe ogdefss gd Tbis pos P9sssi
5hsrt 0ceurreu; did not see tile President
again that Spring; the next morning wit I
D ess was arrested: went with the MHrShal &
70 the White House; told the President
le was In custody, and on what charge.
rhe President replied - cry well. thar / (
IS just where / want ft-in court" {" Wit :
ness was then lett at his hotel on giving
he meantime suspended from hfs func- I
ions. The Judge replied in the cegatfve
lna explained the effect OF giving bail.
The witness narrated The circumstances
md cOnve rsatiOn which occurred after ne
vent 10 the War Office. On the same
morning. after the Members OF Con0rass
Tbo bad witnessed MS I,tery,ieI1 $50,
stanton, retired, Thomas said 10 stanton:
The next time you have me arrested do
t after breakfast; have had nothing this
moi ming to eat or drink" Laughter / :
Stanton, in a playful manner, ran mis-
land through the witness hair and said
Well, General we have little some 7
hing here" Whereupoh General Schriver
,foduced a bottle, aud stanton divided ITS .
md they took q drink together: subsel ,
IueuIly some full bottles were brought
.nd this was Al! the force used that day.
stanbery asked ii the President had ever
lirecGed hIm 70 use force or threats to OBJ
Objection was made, and II was argued
" Butler and EvaFts. Without division
ne senate allowed the question 30 be put,
md Thomas replied IN u negative.
When questioned as 10 his condensation .
With Burleigh, he said he never invited
ltm TO come 70 his ofhee; had said 70 him
II Wilkinson that he would cad on Gen. I
irant or kick the doors down knows !.
lothing whatever about Karsener; sup
'Osed he may have seen him four years | 7
go, when he was i'll at home; Karsener 1 s
Introduced himself as an acqualnt-
nee, and hung on him by the hand while
le made remarks; seNeraF times repeated | a
bout Delaware having her eyes upon aim | :
Thomas; , Karsener then asked MIN when .
le-Was ing To kick fn8t fellow out. and / 4
le adopted KarseneT's words and said he q
you'd do 1t IN a few days; never thoGgat "
b iut kick lug stanton out.
Cross-exanI IN atiOn-FrOm March Ist
s6S TO February 18Th. 1868. did moi. per- =
D ~ the Office duties of Adjutaut Cen q
raj; stanton ioOk 10 the President, GEN
raj GranBs recon- mnIendatiOn TO retire; 2
ut there was no Unpleasant feeling be-
ween them; had 10 intimatton before a
he lSLh Of February, thaL The President (,
aterig2; swOre by. ~ istai1e 10 the contrary 9
hen eyamined by The House committed, [
ut corrected his evidence afterwards He 4
wore then that be mad received an iuLi- =
nation TO that effect about TWO weeks pre- | c
iOusiE, from Colonel Moore; told the
resident at the time OF receiving mis-. APP
ers: when u = ree=4 we'd. q note from I'Oi 4 =
10 ne, FeDTuarS lst, ne did not know =
7hat the President wanted nam for; after u
eturu ing nom the " ar department., did \
ot tell ne President that stanton wa lot .
DING TO give up the on1ce, or tnat sucn :
7as witness's opinion; did not show u
Inn Stanton's letter; I'D not think II [ &,
ecessary- What he said to @ilu&ms0 on / r
boat applying 10 GEN. Grant, was =
nzy bO8sttug; what he sad 10 Bur-el2h b
bout breaking down the doors. was That I =.
e felt inclined TO DO so, but changed hIs / =
1iud on this p0lnt before arr lested. His
rreSt aid not produce tne cAaags. His
nteut Z o use force was IN reverse OF the !
residents Is order. and ueN er expressed 10 q
he President his belief that he could NOT / Il
btaiu possession WitkOu- force, but sug- l
ested To tae President that the best way I y
. ger possession Qt he papers ana mats Z l.
'as- oy issuing an Order through General I q
-rant. The President has never said any y
Mug % him a bout his published eXpres-