New-York tribune., 1868-04-13


and gave nklng Of the n which the process
Of disesaelishmsnt was 70 be effected iut the real
question: Lord Stanley said not whether am tng
SonS not Tone eSe%oa man out 5
s not Rs Sesp@
that should be- that there scandals in IT, but
things were under obligation 20 indicate some practi-
cal solution Lord Stanley discussed next the numerous
irish Church, re Temafking that at present public
opinion could not SEQ It's way to the practlcablnty
stones resolutions merely thisthat something
must be DONE without saying what II was Even u the
There could be no legislation this year except that
quired TO carry out the two last resolutions which was
which must come to an end almost Immediately but they
could not pledge the new constituencies, who must AS
Grating his objections to impractical character Of the
resolutions and the mpossbility OF taking scton on
them now OF pedgng the Parliament OF the future,
Lord Stanley deprecated this particular mode OF raising
the question-appeang to the experience OF the Appr
inslnuating that the real object Of the Opposition
was to get good eleGtioneerDg, cry DIS Dls-
claiming all desire " taunt either Mr. Gladstone
or the Liberal party with Inconsistency dor on that
head each side required allowance TO be madel nc cor
demned strongly change 80 sudden as the piese.ht ~.
which would not wait for the necessary business ~ .o m
session TO he completed but called Tor res9uton "
which practical effect could ayoyedy De gwen anu
about the details Of Which s supporters G99 nn on
oy disagree the moment they began 10 , o,aa onS ~ If
be so f666iyea In the Nort6i On the contrary 1t would
produce bitterness ahd anmosity ana nc uetIeu th'
WOnid GODCiliate the Roman Catn~.o Peeae y VIM
eaFded as % greater importance the dr9 S ne 6;s
fion 1uest0ns Lord Stanley concluded by defonun'- Wy
amendment the meaning OF which was that the wOrK OF
the session was sufficient for the session whenever &c
tiou was necessary the Government would not be unpo
pared for it, but action now was impossible and the Gov
ernment objected TO pedgDg IN any way the Judgment
A. the next Parliament
ing those who spoke on the subject the next ngh'
r Har1y commenced by referring TO Lord Cranbornes
attack and ann hat he had gone with his late
colleagues long wav on tno path OF reform last year.
and had fallen away not on inc 10 S,, were defoated
not merely by the Opposition, but by large eoHy on tc
Conservative party, and be tannIea i ~, tha matter
OF Church Rates The Reform Act of last year ws O az
that he could have wished; menbNi Oise ~ rianv
and party compelled TO nSnrnInis
opinions FOR the sake OF unity and the Rbesno
then made not of principle but OF degree o. hs
next with Mr Gadstone's assumption OF conslste no
retOrted that whatever his secret opinions might navy
been for the last 25 years. his public professions were All
III favor OF the Irish Church As comment on his salD
10 have warned his constituents in 1865 that his mind was
changing he read passage from letter nhe genuine me
deny written during his last contest at Oxford III which
ne hsd slVhei o. Iie ilsu CqIoIl ,uesoia gss %
ana not likely 70 ne one OF pihcuca ponies loI solt
time to come Mr. GadstOne's change, therefore, was
unexpected and had taken tho whole country by sur
prise, Passing TO the main question, Mr.. HARDY
admitting AZ the outset the competence OF tins Par
part OF the COMPACT of the Act of the Union that its
on would aenate the Irish prOestants and that there
trOverted scTiaH the arguments Of Mr Gladstone that
1t would not inure Professionalism would be no invasion
OF the rights OF property. and would not lead 30
sault the English Church, and, crticsng the resou
tOns nc objected that they hint of the plan OF
disestabshment that they nothing about what
to be done with the connscated revenues ana that tey
held out hope that they would effect the pacihoaton
OF Ireland. They vague preciptae, untimely, I'M
settled everything and settled nothing and the consent OF
the House OF Lords ought 10 be asked before proceeding
further or this dangerous and revolutionary path EX
planning the intentions OF tho Government, Mr. Hardy
said that the amendment were defeated they would OPP
pose the resolutions. AS to the future though they
would give pledge If tho Commission OF inquiry into
the revenues of the IRISH Church showed CHANCES ana
notifications IN the Establishment 70 be necessary they
would make them earlossly and indiferenty Further
than that, MIR Hardy, speaking for himself SAID with
great emphasis amid loud cheering that he would not
He would be no party 10 the disestabshment OF the
Irish Church or, II he changes his opinions, ne would
prove hs sincerity by resgnng his post The conclusion
astcally cheered by the Mlnsterialists.
Mr. Bright commenced by remarking on the
considerable change fnot of least OF expression
WHICH had characterized the debate Even Lord Gran
borne had Seehsd to admit that the time was near at
hand for surrendeing his cherished principle OF an Es-
tablishment while the Government spoke with aine[-
ent voice from night to night. MT H9rdy-in speech
which Mr. Bright cOmplimented highly-bad answered
bGd aRy 'aa Sq Mr. RSy % Ta
the result Of government by a minority. on
dwelt with great felicity The confusion and
chaos there was really neither Government nor Oppo-
views adopt those Of the Opposition Passing 10 the
main question M Bright pointed out that the dsestae
only affected 100000 people or 10000 families about the
Of tE or 1s ana dIS 5
only be left In the position the majority
OF the Scotch people, nearly al the Welsh people
half of the English people, and the whole OF our colon
lists There only pretCnses on which state
Church could be observation-disclosures and political. As
giOus institution fOI the conversion Of Roman CathO
lies the Irish Church had been deplorable failure In
deed II had made the Irish Catholics Of Ireland more
intensely Roman than in any other country and the pO
ltical influence Of Rome Mr Bright held to be great ca
lamity. political institution, II had been equally
failure fOr though the State for had defended by
suhdued by force This change. Mr. Bright asserted met
with few faint denalsl desired by an influential ana
wise minority OF Irish PrOtestants. From peer 10 peas
ant the Roman Catholics unanimous III It's IdNOr
and the people Of England ana Scotland would eagerly
welcome this great of 0tOnement for past errors III
such evils had been produced In OF our colonies by
state Church Parliament would nave abolished II at
once AS 10 any danger 70 the Church of England her
greatest enemy the Liberation Society, but zca
the chief peril Of all establishments, whether developed
IN Rituaism Evangecanisrn. As long as she pre-.
served internal harmony the boldest prophet would
not predict the day OF her downfall. Reasoning gently
with the Mlnisteriass, Mr. Bright endeavored TO per
ade them this disestablshment not moro seri
ous than Free Trade Reform, aud other changes which
they had once resisted and had found TO be mere
hObgOblns, and, after an emphatic ana slglh cant U
clamer OF party and personal motives. he concluded WIN
an eloquent eXhOraOn to them not 20 close their ears
10 moderate COGnse and not TO Increase the discomfort
OF ireland and play the game Of the Fenans by refusing
this great act Of justice. 80 ,,,
The debate was then adjourned until Thursday,
Aprll ?.
MEXICO.