New-York tribune., 1868-04-18


,noed cheers from the Ministerial side, said Mr. speaker
the Member for South Lancashire has moVed tna' "e
should 20 into Committee on the subject OF 'ne iie
rhprcb IN order that be should propose the resolutions
hioh he has placed the table We have not az Prese'
% discuss these resolutions, which might ieau 10 NV
tIors ~ onal and legal difficulty appre-
hend however that the right honorable gentleman mas
,pfbnenty shown his general meaning lhear' hearJ
A1thoueh he has not yet had the opportunity OF moving
The he expressed the outlines OF mspohey
i apprehend that not in any way misinterpreting
mis- meaning when say that he proposes to terminate
the connection between the State and the Church. as lar
az concerns the Church of Ireland. Hear, hear Meh
Sir question having been brought peoIe tne houS %
hear-Her MSjesys Government had to consider he Ihe
proper mode IN which they hsa 70 9e. H moon r rpS
Committee. IL is course when on tne same snO
eV. ws WScS is much approved of by those who
have had experience of Parliamentary Ife wheh oelI
with difRcu questions. 1t might have been practeed
under which the question has been
but by party Of considerable power and by the leader
OF the Opposition IL would have been unwe tohaVe taken
refuge IN course at all times Ambiguous, anu never
at any time altogether satisfactory Hear neaIJ
We might have met with direct negative. But what
would have been the inevitable inference from sueh
were OF opinion that change no improvements no mod
ihcaton was necessary exPedenI OF desirable IN tne
clusion wish TO effect Cheers VIII n'eet IN que que
SosSs . t down that there shall he a ciear and intel
IgbIe issue lear, bear Having declared our opinion
mat the condition OF the Church in Ireland one sus-
oepble of beneficial change, how could we meet WITH
ont indication OF our yewsf We cannot oouet VIA i
ference would have been drawn. what was the second
course open IL was TO move an amendment An
amendment was made by the Foreign secretary y wicd
has been the object Of much criticism aud am PREPARED
maintain that t was drawn mp IN stilct CONFORMITY
xt i a der of the Opposition long Opposi-
ton an Opposition Of years, seven years war
which now prevail, when there very balanced state
of paresthe invariable advice OF sr Robert Peel was
Nav IN
daughter and cheers1 II you attempt TO express your
fully, you viii produce long and eumbrOus dOcu
plsDt and il you attempt condensation you VIII
DO accused Of ambiguity and equlV0eatlOD You
fied viii defeat the oldect' iCheers.l think that
very sound advice ana it was invariably followed, not
only by Sir Robert Peel, but by distinguished opponents
With this view. having TO draw amendment Ministers
nxed on two points which u accepted by the House
would defeat the notion aud when are quite consistent
with the policy which we we're prepared 70 explain as
whole These points have been already mcnt0ned by me
when the honorable member from Cork brought forward
bis motion on Ireland. mentioned that 10 our OPINION
% the Irish Church eODoeTned II was most ex
pedent that we should report of the Royal
Commission recently appointed thear hear.l 1hat was
the moral Competence OF the House of Commons to enter
Into the discussion this session Hear heaTl did not
night that it on the ground that this s moribnnd
Parliament; Irested my objection on another reason.
called in question Parliament was not morally com
peeDt decide such issue, II those who elected
had intmation that such question would be
raised tCheeIsl That what said, aud lt IS very
dSdSn OG ask tnS had Is the eoSnTS e Slightest %
uon during the last few years that tins question would
Parliamenti Was there IN the Ministerial programme the
sHshlest alIusi9n 70 tle A.Sn - ~
wlthstandng this the question suddenly DTougnt De
Now take exaggaTaed view OF the Articles Of
nave aeSr Ba II & w I % to
say that these solemn munimens, aud II IL prepOs
davis notice Uheersl We have been told great deal
about the way in which that Union was eheetedthat 10
was bargain between Protestant Parliament sitting
IN Dublin aud Protestant Parliament sitting n London
You rde with the hisOry OF your country in this
~ ATev vou
passed by Parliament OF b0fOughm0ngers
70 compress them In an anehdmen which expressed the
opinion that tll we have the report OF the Royal Com
the condition OF the Church in IIeland and at the same
sst we oe psoS he reserved for the new Psramen
kOtAiDg, think, be more uIjushabe than tue cap
founded assumptions which no one had right TO
make. lCheers The right honorable gentleman anuc
ought perhaps notice the remarks made by the noble
lord the member for Stamford: LaughterJ Tue noble
lord Of this amendment OF which have gwen you
the plain hstOyllaughter and cbeeTsl-I say the plain
and true hisory-be noble lord says there want OF
about beray the trust with which we are
Invested don't qnaTel WIN the noble IGldi ne lS
tIAughterl think 1t wants finish. lInterrupuon.l
objection OF the noble lord is that passed Reform
bill last year lHeaT hearl Now l put 1t 10 the
listened to the cOunsels Of the noble lordi Cheers
Whose decisions will add spirit unity and strength to
the noble lord is that they invariably produce an eeho
from Sne Stne5 sGs When e 10 6eapd
this side, the right honorable gentleman the member
for Calne energes Will not say from his cave laughter
but perhaps from a cynical habitatOn laughter and
eheers and join IN the chorus OF reciprocal nagnty
ireIney analytical the amendment OF my noble friend
uOrd Stanley, aud his zgzag commentary founded on
motives which never Influenced US, was amusing at
the moment; but how far does that commentary agree
with the real estate that have given OF the course aud
policy Of this anendmentf The right honorable gentle
extremely exuberant In his commentary on my
character j
the defense Of that character and career have been
in this House more than 80 years, and can truly
say that during that time the comments that
character and have oleraby and plain
But the House has been the jury OF he and allows
place in which think necessary TO vindeate myself
ICheers The right honorable gentlemen thif. Love- h
very remarkable man. Be Is learned mau though he
despses history and logic but what more remarkable
than his learning or MS logic IS tnat power OF bO
tsneOus ayersiOn whleh ne SHOWS ineIe Is t."S
he likes and almost everything that no mates he mates
the working classes OF England. he mates the Roman
Catholics OF Ireland lie hates tne Proestants OF u g
land and he hates Her Majestys
and until the right honorable gentleman mr. Gladsons
placed his hand upon the ark lac seemed TO me almost 70
hate mat ngnt honorable gentleman. lAuehVeI any
ehcers But have the Hour aud the man. aud all
peace but believe the clock goes wrong and the man
- not here. CheerS and laughter Let me ask tho AT
teAtlon of the House 20 the proposition before US
have for moment espassed your attention. you viii
blow 20 say that n has been In fair scfdefese ear,
hear have never attacked any IN my life rOnical
cheers and cries Of "Peel-uness first assailed.
lOh Now SIR, no deny this that the PROPOSE
tions OF the right honorable gentleman (T GladstOne
arc very considerabe prOpOstiOns They vast and
violent. NO. mol an honorable gentleman says "No"
but disestabsh an Institution which has existed for
three hundred years. that u IA the possession OF
erty, certainly supported by tie syDpAthies OF
great part the population OF the cOuntr-surely
propose 10 destroy such institution without gOug into
the merite-sureiy that Is vast and violent change
Then the first question would ask Is Why that change
Upon that point we have had satisfactory answer
We are told that there crisis n Ireaud and the meln
ber for Birmingham the other night with must say
Of his characteristics which he invariably exercises
bu, IN On agreeable that Is nisrop esentaton oh
and laughterJ, said had denied there anything