The New York herald., 1868-10-24

Convention authority under the constitution to pass
power 1t cannot be done After the canon Was again
read Rev. nr. Hare, OF Pennsylvania, understood
that the proposal does not lower the dignity inde
pendence OF any diocese, nor TO cOncede legislative
power TO the federate council without first submit
ting the extent OF these powers 70 the General Con-
Rev. DR.. Mahan OF Maryland hoped that more
Inorougn consideration would be given TO this I'm
p M
lons on this subject adopted by the diocese OF Mary
land and the memorial or that diocese to the General
tion and canons OF the Church, II such be
necessary. The committee having reported o canon
constitution In the way Of this procedure. The
speaker looked at the proposal the beginning from
, which the provincial system will eventually grow up
he Churcn In the United States Ia only province OF
the great Church catholic. As the Church grows we
should allow the system Of organization 20 grow.
division, and as the whole province has overgrown
We should divide into cluster OF provinces, while
IS to Be- % be
matter OF convenience but or necessity, to divide
INTO provinces He cared not what they may call it.
but let us have the 'thing,n and the "thing' will
have have name. The hour for recess closed Dr. Ma
hans speech.
Afternoon Session.
Rev. Dr. Perry, Of Connecticut, Secretary Of the
Convention, was confirmed as Historiographer Of the
Church, In place Of Rev. DR.. Hawks. deceased.
Thanks were voted to DR.. Perry for his zeal in col
lectng documentary annals Of the American Co
lonial Church, and on motion Of Rev. Mr.. Charles
Breck, OF Delaware their speedy publication was
ordered.
FEDERATE COUNCILS AND PROVINCIAL SYSTEM.
Rev. Dr.. Richard s. Mason obtained the Aoor ana
after short introduction spoke Of the dssmilarity
OF the Church constitution and the political constitu
tion OF the country, while the first was
n
other was the formation OF unit from several in
tegral and independant parts. He gave the origin
of church government, the division into diocesan
episcopacies. according to the provinces Of the
Roman empire, and the proposed division into pro-
vinces In this country according to the poll tlcal and
geographical division OF the land, would follow that
example exam PIE ana IL Is but proper that we should the
Catholics. Not ds est ab hoste docer for they are
not enemies but friends Of the great Christian cause
hence ofinlunl est dOcer 40 AMIGO. He referred to
the organization OF the Methodists the Presbyerans
and they should either have some such concentra-
Congregationalism. There cannot be an Independent
diocese, as little as the hand can be independent
OF the body. There Is not much difference in the
names proposed the Latin Council stands for the
Greek Synod, and our word convention Is very much
the same. He hoped that the system proposed, or
something like It will be adopted.
Mr. Tazewel Taylor, OF Virginia, believes that the
inquiry OF the gentleman from South Carolina should
be answered, as he himself had doubts about the
subject. 1t Is proposed to establish an intermediate
body between the dioceses and the General Conven-
tion this affects the organism Of the Church; 1t Is
organic and ought to be In the constitution and not
In the canons.
Rev. DR.. Haight, OF New York, stated, in answer,
prohibiting the union Of the dioceses OF New YORK
for combined action; but these dioceses win not act
out out Of feeling Of loyalty oS., to the Church
and dinicutles without precedent. our bishop
struck down by judicial sentence, and yet the do
cese bore the evils meekly. but went before the
General Convention Of 1S47 and asked for relief,
which was not granted The diocese waited and
granted in the way 1t was asked she submitted. And
now the diocese win do nothing except with the
Rev. DR.. Adams, OF Wisconsin, commenced with
humorous preface, eliciting hearty laughter,
for federative councils was already sanctioned by
the constitution to 1888, but was then amended .by
side wind" and by that side wind the Convention
of that year eliminated from the constitution the idea
which New York wants now again introduced. As
the reverend doctor was arguing that the amendment
made the diocese and not the State the unit in the
Churchmthe hammer fell and the chair announced
TO him "Time Is up"
DR.. Adams s-(bowinq)-s'Tnats too bad. Mr.. Presi-
dent,n and he wished for leave to continue his re-
marks, but received II not
Rev. Or. Mead OF Connecticut, then spoke in favor
OF the canon proposed, regrettny that the true
debate. Tie diocese OF New York ike dutiful
child though outgrown and past It's majority, comes
and asks the OF the Church to DO what they
would have . legal right to DO; the Convention
with liaa pety; but II they believed that there
cat under the meal tub then vote against 1t.
DR.. Mahan regretted this declaration, for II New
York alone is concerned the House Is placed IN a
most awkward position.
Judge Mm ~ Battle 81 North carolina % ma argued az
canon, and also from general principles and It's pro-
spectve effects, limiting at the fact that the more
vded into several dioceses. will gain such prepondc-
rance that the Southern States will be continually
outvoted and the North carry everything their own
WAY,
Rev. Dr. Dewolf Howe. Of Pennsylvania, believed
there can be no denial OF the fact that the combina
ton and conferences OF doceses for the carrying OF
measures in the General Convention cannot be pre-.
vented.
diocese on the f0or would yield 80 much to New
York as Kentucky. and II It was mere question OF
knowleged right why not do II by resolution instead
OF q canonS Dr. Howe said II should be In con-
raso,pn IL Wond be ont or siahr Among the
voluminous proceedings Governor stevenson
thought unworthy that the place in the volume OF
the proceedings should determine the action oil the
House. To resolution therc would hardly be
dissenting voice. Asa canon 1t changes the organ
ism Of the Church-it is the enactment OF law which
may be used against rs hereafter. IL would be
creating intermediate legislative body between
the dioceses and the General Convention. He was
against the canon, but would vote for resolution
giving assent to New York TO unite In a federate
council. lie strives for the unity conservatism and
perpetuty OF the Church that he pleads and against
the Introduction OF such changes, the evil and de-
structve results OF which no man can foresee TO
their full extent.
Rev. Dr Rogers, OF Texas favored the canon, for
IL IL especially applicable TO the State OF Texas,
which, for the better efficiency Of the work OF the
Church. viii have to be divided into several di0ceses
and they should have some central management and
action by which she can reach out aud grasp the
borders. The Church is growing into the provincial
system, and this canon as an initial step, he and his
colleagues are strongly in favor Of
Rev. Dr. Pierce OF Alabama, said that II the do
ceses OF New York have the power TO combine they
have the right TO define the legislative powers OF the
combination, and the General Convention would
have nothing 70 Say about II Unless this canon be
passed limitation TO the exercise OF this power.
After Mr.. Richard Brinley Fogg OF Tennessee, mad
strongly advocated the passage or the canon, Rev.
ID. Goodwin, OF Pennsylvania, obtained the floor. A
delegate suggested that the Doctor had spoken
on the subject. This riled the Doctor and he said
that ne was willing to leave the house and resign his
seat lie proceeded, however, and made q strong
argument in favor OF passing the canon the