The New York herald., 1868-05-20

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But see.ng mat yoa have IN England yoar system Of
and Il is n system OF wnich | don't approve and
never can approve atil it exists ana has bean sane
toned by Parliament for thirty years. Well, but u IS
said that tue Parliament would decide hat tht
system Is wholly inapplicabie to Ireland bu, Va a, ay
| case your system In that country must nc va,
dcaominatonal because there are many @ ais.iCss Ca
IN which the population is entirey onnsa hom.aa tne
scSoos S ana must wefs, Re ap praeoay denonaona
II, therefore, you pass THIS resolduon 0 arr"r
Mould be thDut 10 was aeoS hateyer 20 because no
future Parliament would reel ltsen pV.,u h ~ @ .l'9
resolution In the slightest actg ,rne We are ar
asked pass this resolution 10 express msLey tiie
opinion OF taose gentlemen VINO = s 10 sas LOUISE .a az
! many persons may hereafter adduce IL as an ar
| gu,nent that the House OF Cominons nad given
| adoption although OF course, future Parliament
would not care one farthing about It, II my honor
able friend proposes to himself to effect anything at
ali he ought to stop at the word '.discontnued.n
But with regard to the latter part OF the resolution
to the Vote shall Certainly divide against it. on the
ground first of ALL that It has no reference to any
legislation proposed to be attempted during the pre-
session, and, in the next place. because will
not have my hands, or vote or voice tied up
against any proposition which may be made here
Ireland, which must, as said before, be IN large
portion OF the country practically denominat onal:
the resolution while to first have no objection
to offer except that IT is unnecessary: (Cheersl
moved this resolution made an appeal to the govern
ment which was not answered. and In consequence
OF that appeal did not rise to address the House
because did not consider that am in position
which renders me principally responsible for the
LAUGHTER on the ministerial side and cries Of Hear
from the OppOsittOn.) Though that may be so, yet
Hsye m e ne my fe
OF the country. There is no man who win be more
deeply disgraced than myself il, owing to any weak
DOWN p
this matter presents itself to my mind Is this-When
ment. ! see that system interviewer with many
social arrangements, possessed OF great power, sup
Identified most honestly have no doubt, by great
party, with the influence OF the Church OF England
That being SO. II appears 70 me TO be the die:
tate OF common sense that when any one has arrived
ment and establishment should be brought to
Of his ~ proceedings. Now, In Considering that that
point, have NOT hesitated TO touch the ques
sald explicitly that, in my opinion, the Maynooth
endowment act must be repealed. lHear, hear)
ane ssd wa a Tegrd M 70 the re-
must come to an end. cannot blame myself for
having dwelt too little on those Matters considering
that the position occupy is simply that Of an inde
pendent member of Parliament without official re-
sponsibility, and have not presumed to ask the
PEELED to look to the mode in which this House, hav-
ing before 1t very great and difficult enterprise
wishes to take. Cheers and laughter from the min.
steria side Of the house.) The Establishment as q
forttfcati9n @ has been zealously defended and we
lisbment to the ground. ! therefore beg the House
IN the first place TO take these proceedings which
! deal with the matter In hand; but my honorable
friend wishes 10 know completely what Is to be done
in respect to al the particulars which may arise in
| the consideration OF this question.
| Mr.. AYTouN explained that he wished to know
| what was not TO be done
Mr.. GLADsToNE-My honorable friend asked for a
Mr.. sINoLAIR AYTovN--It is possible may not
say was that it is desirable we should have Co COM
plete issue before US. do not mean that the details
Of the plan OF the right honorable gentleman should
De made known, bnt that we should have clear
dersandng as TO whether or not any portion OF the
funds of the Anglican Church should be given to the
Roman Catholic Church. ministerial cheers).
Mr.. GLADsTONE-My honorable friend does not ask
me to give plan. In the place where stand it is
not competent for me to form one; it would be the
height OF rashness for me to do so. Hear, hear.)
There Is % no grant at present that ! know Of
except that conveyed by the Maynooth act and
that act have already said, in my opinion, must be
which cases OF that kind can be dealt with by legis
ton, because there are no vested interests either
agree with the right honorable gentleman and NV
honorable friend that, both as regards the final
pie ought to be applied first to the Estabshed Church
and then to the RegfIDl DOnuDs and TO MaynOOth,
e Ha now for eE 81 s
with the matter In detail, and that hope 70 have
will be disposed to drop from the resolution the mat.
ters that are not within the spirit OF the rules that
motion relating to Maynooh " and lhe pus' q State e
| funds. api.rehend that the motion Will then
stand In this form:-.That when the Angli-
| can Church OF Ireland shall have been discs
| tabshed and disendOwed it is right and necessary
that no part OF the secuarzed funds Of the Anglican
Church be applied in any way or under any form to
| the endowment OF the Roman Catholic religion in
Ireland or to the establishment maintenance OF
Roman Catholic denomnational schools or cOleges.r
cannot vote for 1t. The propositions | have asked
the committee 70 vote are perfectly simple; they are
very solemn matter 1t must stand the test OF severe
| criticism.
Disestabllshment of the Church is wha. we have
primarily in view; general abandonment q rule
and as an ultimate aim with respect TO bodies OF
ton must evidently follow and is plainly involved
In the plan. About this there can be no doubt, but
no consideration Of policy will induce me for one
moment to take advantage OF particular state OF
feeling which may prevail on some Of those benches
oppose-tchees)-to purchase momentsry favor by
an act unjust TO portion OF my fellow countrymen,
and which j feel TO be incompatible with my posi-
ton. loud cheersl
SrG. GREY had hoped from the tone which pre-
have avoided violent discussions and that the night
might have been devoted to the progress OF business
but the course taken by the government during the
last two hours has erectualy prevented this. Listen
| vinced that IL we had declined to enter upon them
following the suggestion OF the CHAIR, we should
House We are discussing question wneh cnn " ba9e a1e
no practical effect during the existence OF this Paria
ment IL is a mere abstract resolution, not brought
forward with view TO legislation and the
slightest degree be binding on any future ParlIa-
Inent. (lIear ana lsughl To those who oppose
the Regfttpa Donum aud Maynooth would suggest
that they are giving new lease TO these grants. They
practically saying that until the Irish Church is
disestablished and disendowed these grants shall
continue
Mr.. DIsRAELI-The right honorable baronet has,
unfortunately for us, beeh long time absent from
discussions, and that Is really the only way In
which can account for the wild observations he has
now made. con-" and q laugh.) The charges he
has made upon me, calmly considered have no foun-
dalton whatever. con, ohpD The sounds hear are
Aeither logic language. (Hear hear.) First OF
nl, the right honorable baronet the govern
ment OF preventing the committee from c0mfug TO
conclusion on the resolutions Of the member for
south Lancashire. Now, thought that 90 far as I
could control the business Of the House, had come
10 q clear understanding with the right honorable
gentleman, and so far Influenced the conduct OF
my. my friends % around me- that the course Of bust