New-York tribune., 1868-04-17
he s Vote Ss resatcdcy,as, %; Nays, al as follows

The vote resulted-Yeas %; Nays, q as iono"s'
As5.;' As5ssf' g:r, fss..,, Hs..a Hsl 'i'' se,.s
5o55t iie'dcts patterson N nl,JJm%@SqiIii
DAVIS, Hove, Ia,.eTs.n tl''Di vt. vag "A"'
E.'Gi. PsSi., hisat%:'. h,ti:s., ss,te-u ssii. T6sjsa
cgpe,sr N,ar,l. M,nr Wp Tsye,
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Mr. CUErIs rosimed The examination oi tho witness
o. Now sa,o what occurred between Gen ThoInas ana
TIE President and yourself on that ocelsioIi a. sary n.
OF War 0! ierta Tie President stated mat Sr stanton
had refused to surrender der, p2s3sSR @ ol he enc legal
proreedIes 10 be Instituted without delay TO test Con-
imoiPed Il the htorncy.Goneral was 70 act IN tie mat
ter. whether c0ld-cohsht Nih n.5 VIC ,ch tc
epied i'm tho Supreme Court that he ad not ad tine 20
look Into the authorities put he wo.0 DC Slu HVa4 H
,lufer with Llm promised 10 do 80, aut stated that
wc1i esammc tie subject Immediately @nd sooa AFTER
q Whom you loit id You leave Gen. THOMAS anu 'lo
O. About what time H. YOU loavel A. don't suppose
was thorc more than 20 minutes; Iie' my o"A "'U''
q. state now anything tlat you dld'substantiaIy In
eogS, lffSf lffp - '' ~ iH tho Presidents
counsel sly that anything which M COX od "i'eI""'u
Tf9 CHiEaJUsrICI + remarked hat the witness could
proceed under the rhug % thc senate, D,osio, tr,.
Slr BUTLER. interposiae-f think that suppositions
can hardly come in. no'tl heafi Vi M''''' 'N4I
sino1s being pGC Ia ~, ienco'
Wiuoss-I rlmo 10 tho conrlnoion-7--. 81, ,,,
Nj BUTLER GlgIn bterpOs!ng)- -No oOht want yum
conclusions; want your act4 g., . .,..
TIr CJKfIs-It pre-ty important act for lawyer
Mr. BUIIER--it niay be or It may not Dc. .,,,..o
Witness-I VII be Instructed " Tue 'o~rS "H"' N'N
Mr BuTfER-Lot the witness state what he did.
,,aut him 10 be ne: trained 10 that.
Mr. 'iRTIs-Ilo came TO q conclusion, and want to
h5.~ % HIiI III object 10 conclusions OF his mind.
1ho CHlEFJUsrlCE said that tho wltGess might pro
KroNinr tl,,t wit Of o,to tgrsTanto
yr1 tedious one aud that 10 CoHd rot DO Dronght 20
conclusion within ear anl Cen Thomas having beeii
arrested Tor . violation 0f tho IenursOlOiuc0 ucI'
tbongft that tly bast mode OF proceeding WIS.
Mr. BUTLER, again luleposing-i object to tue wiz
uesa's thoughts. f1ughterl -
Tie CilErJUsrICl, to the witness-Glye your con-
Waces-I detcrn ned then 70 proceed, IN the first in
stance. ia the case ~ Gen. Thomas ~, -
g. Proceed. IIuwf a. Before examining the justice
~ my client bc.ors the sIpreule Court of the United
Cnurt o te feturn OF tho writ could examine te csc %
Dir. UrLFH. intorpOsing-Iheso are not acts they
alo .houshls conclusions and reasonings o lho "Iuos
Niat no wotid 40 II something Clso was done.
Thc CHTI.i-Ji'sIiCE supposed that Tho counsel ON
pycd ny tho President mly state what course he pur
Sir. i.i'TIlE- you trs nat he can put IN his own
1...srI.4 atoms and rearOulng1i
no CHILT JUsTICE-In relation to this matter
Tho CHIEEJusTIcE-C Counsel p,easf Rnt the qgfss, s
tou IN writing, any Senator deses.: L!'' Sss A's
senator HOWARD asked that the question be reduced
tO writing.
The question, having been reduced 10 WtthS was ieaui
STATE eoues.,a ,y atc the ss.T'e to se
MIR BUTLER-II0 not oI.jec; 10 that. what objected
20 was Tho witness putting his thoughts and his reason
ngs by which he came To- cOuclbs m. What he did
thng; what he Thought, what le determines, what
he wished and what no hoped, depended so huct upon
loyal in ms dSpositon that we do not want thRt
witness 10 c5nne himself TO the conclusions which ho
camc, and 20 the steps winch nc TOOK. a.. .,..
wtness-Hlyng come TO Tho conclusion that the most
expeditions of bringing the question IN eontrovtrsy
before the Supreme court ws- TO appy i}r VIII ol
shape for H. had brief interview with the Attorney
General on Monday morning, ard Is course met ms ap-
Thomas had gagged 10 act in l behalf IN the first in
stance. -, -, ,,.,., ,,. no.,.or
procure writ of habcas corpus II was necessary that
Tie commitment shouh be made by court, not 6y a
Thomas had been arrested ant previously examined Dc
fore ~ the Jus,ces Of the supreme Court OF the DIS
trct a Chambers and had been held Co appear Tor fur
ther cvaminaton Wednesday, the 10th, the Criminal
Court was olened CniefJlstce Cartier presiding. aud
announced that he would then proceed with the eA
animation OF The ease against Gen. Thomas, ,,,..
being proved other than by tho records OF the court
Mr. CUNrlSWo wish the witness TO state what ho did
IN court Il may have resulted IN record i ana i may
resulted ia a record or not There may have been
Ms BTTiERIf cail Your attention, Mr. President and
Senator's 10 the ingenonsness Of that speech The wit
going on 10 say what the CARTIER announced
MIR CURTIS inerrup,ing- tho honorable Manager
give me moments said and Intended 10 De 50 I'M
derstoOd that here WAS ChcfJusce sitting IN a nagis
terial capacity ana also Mr. Cox stated he was SIT
ting ihofe holding the Criminal Court what desire
prove is that there was effort made By Mr. Cox TO
get this transferred from the thofJustce Ia hI
Capacty as magistrate into aud before the Crip.ha
Court and wish 10 show what Mr. Cox did IN 'Uei "
Mf BUTLER-I the Senate woro 70 try oniGfJqlsse lee
Cartier TO whether he did rS'oI & SrSs Se sd ~ de-
fend himself never heart 10 th% H. Pa M r tribunal
or OF masistrate d trial by declarations OF the
counsel for The erifICF-rhe counsel viii reduce the
onet,oo .t rn Ihg and the ChefJustice will submit 1t
to the seston being reduced to writing, read
TO- What yoa toward getting haheas eopns under tho
Mr BU BUFLER-That il not the question mat we have |
been debating at all ] made an objection Mr. Pres+ |
dent that the should state what took place
Court and counsel put general question which
Mr. EVxRTs-ou general question sintendcd to draw
ont wha, took place iu court
Mr.. EvARTs-Then understand you bat | do not
The CHIEF,J UsTICE pat the question 20 the Court,
whether the testimony should be almttedI
tiou these words This being intended to cover what the
witness heard IN Court"
Mr.. EVARIS-The question needs no change v Nhatever;
II intended TO ca out what the witness dld toward
getting writ OF habeas corpus. aud IL covers what
he dtl In Court, the very place 10 do ~
Mr. CURTls-lf any change or addition Is to be made |
IN The ducs On should like TO alter the word court
beeauss there may be double meaDing Ia that What
was done, OF intended To be done was before magis-
Iratc.. .t
MIR BITLER--Sitilng AZ q Judge
Mr. CURrIS-s.tting as a magistrate. .
Tllc duestlo was thon mod ted 80 W TO read; g.
What M yoa DO toward getting oa hibeas corpus e srpo
asn; oft PresidcptV 81.
The yeas aud Nays resulted 0s follows
F..
,uthory, lonier Morton Srragrei
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