The Vermont transcript. [volume] (St. Albans, Vt.) 1864-1870, 1868-04-17

kaTSeneT, the man from OelaWAfS, III
the witness-room spoke to him about
his (Karsener's) testimony and | called
him liar and perjurer did not offer
violence to him, and did not speak to
him violently except as mentioned
above.
Question--Do you yet intend to take
charge of the War Office?
Answer do. Loudly
Question-Have you said so 10 Mr..
Johnson?
Answer have not lately.
Qucstion-On Friday, week ago, did
you tell this Johnson that you would
have Stanton out of that office if it sank
ship?
Answer don't remember. may
have said so.
Were you testing
AnsweT-Ycs. | must have been.
never intended to use violence to Mr.
Stanton.
Question-Has any body talked with
you about your testimony since YOU left
the stand yesterday?
Answer perhaps a dozen = he
Presidents counsel. Gen. Townsend and
perhaps some others
Gen. Thomas testified regarding testi-
mony heretofore given. and said dis
tinctly that what he had heretofore
stated before the House Committee was
wholly untrue, and also in very many
cases contradicted what he had hereto
fore sworn to. He was cornered and
mixed up ineXtricably and there seems
now to be little doubt that his testimony
viii be broken, or that at least an effort
TO DO SO Will be made by the Managers
in summing up. He left the stand at
nearly one o'clock.
{t4rtnrai
while in Washington on the Indian
Commission, last December, he had
several interviews with the President
concerning the difficulty with Stanton.
both before and after his removal.
Mt Stanbery was then asked what
/ conversation he had with the President
january l4th ON the subject
The Managers objected.
The Chief Justice ruled the question
admissible.
\ decision If the senate was called
for.
llr. Stanbery -aid the testimony was
vital to the ease
The senate would not permit theque--
ton TO be asked
1en sherman testified that the Pre.i-
dent rendered him the Office Of Secreta-
r. of war 00 iEfCrim Oh two occasions
in writing TO the offers on the 18th and
@lst- Mr.. Stanton was in office 1T the
time
Mr. NJanhery asked if anything else
occurred between the witness and the
President concOInitant 10 the offer when
il was first made.
Several other questions were asked the .
witness, but The Senate decided them
inadmissible.
MONDAYS Proc EEDINGS.
lir. Stanbery then asked: After the
restoration os Mr.. Stanton to Office did
you form amy opinion a. TO Whetherthe .
good Of the service required another
man at the head Of the War Depart
ment3
To which Cen Butler objected and
Mr.. Bingham arose to argue the objec-
ton. II Gen. Sherman was allowed TO
give his opinion thousand other men
might claim tEe same privilege. and
such testimony Is nadmi-sible al anv
time, but especially In "a case like the
one in question
Nh Smnhery replied, arguing tharthe
second officer of the army was compe-
tent 20 give am opinion upon "a matter
directly concerning he a. my and the
country
Gen. Butler followed saving that if
this answer was admitted il would open
the door for legions OF witnesses and the
question j, against the law as the testi-
mohN was irTeY Giant. If this question
was admitted would the Senators allow
him Butler to introduce capable Wit
nCSse- 20 show their opinion was that
the good Of the country required the re-
moyal OF the President? Other expert
military officers such as Sheridan. Thorn
as, Meade, and others. might testify
thAl stanton ought 10 lee retained i'm the
war office II did not concern the case.
ten sherman might have quarreled
with stanton, and might be preiudiced
against him.
Each speaker poke at much greater
length than would here appear. and
claimed attention from all
The first witness called after recess {
vas Mr.. Meigs, Clerk of the Supreme
, curt Of the District of Columbia. He
was examined upon the issue Of the war I
rant upon which Gen. Thomas was ar 4
rested, and after several objections and {
4 few speeches, the warrant and the afli- q
iaFit of secretary stanton upon which [
was granted, were admitted in evil I
fence. t
Gen. sherman was then desired to E
answer question piOpOunded by Rev e
'rdy Johnson. whether the President 2
'Xp!aiEedto him his object in rendering il
o him the Secretaryship of War 0d IN Il
crtDl. Objections were made and a vote J
vas demanded and the question was q
omitted by % yeas TO - naVs. The Re q
'ublicans voting with the Democrats g
we're: Messrs. Anthony, Cole. FeSsen- b
len, Fowler Frelinghuysen Grimes.
henderson. Morrill, Me-, Morrill, WI. ,
Horton, Ross, sherman, Sumner. Van
Ninkle, and Wiley. The absentees
we're MesSrs. Patterson y. H.. and
prague.
General sherman gave an account OF
i- interview with the President ut n
he time Johnson desired to have him
ccept the appointment of al interim
ccrctary of War He says the Presi-
ent did not then propose to use force to
iect Mr.. stanton from the War Office
ut expressed desire to bring the cues
on Of the constitutionality of the Ten
re-of-Oflice Act before the courts. :,
Senator Henderson submitted in writ ~
n the following questions Did the
resident on either of the occasions al
lded to express to you conviction.
solution or determination to remove
Ir. Stanton from his office? III
Nitness-If by removal is meant re- ~
loval by force, he never conveyed to ~
y mind such an impression, but he did al
lost Enthusiastically say that he could m
ave no more interviews with him i'm Ia
ne relation Of President and Secretary II
War gu
" Senator Howard proposed the fol- m
wing question, in writing: . You saw III
lie President spoke of force. What did NJ
2 say about force?n su
Witness-I enquired, supposing Mr.. or
anton does not yield, what then was Iol
be done? Oh said he, there is no ne Pc
ssity of considering that question: ce'
q the presentation of an order he will
tire
Senator Howard-Is that the full ans
er to the question? stc
Witness-I think it is. ~
Senator Henderson proposed the fol- let
wing question in writing: :" Did Won by
We any opinion or advice to the Presi- he
mt on either of these occasions i'm ref ON.
enee to Che legality of the principle of ON
I'D interim appointment, and if so q
lat advice did you give, or what opin-
rs did you express to him ~ the
Objected to and tho Chief T,,c+;11 -. Isl