New-York tribune., 1868-04-01

o. see there are certain interneat0ns in this form.
Do you speak Of the form before It inerned or sub
seqaently A. This commission shows the changes that
have been made cOnorInaby to the Tenure-OrOmce Dill
ton sTf Sss So nDdeptaPd yom that tho printed
portion the form used before the Dill
O. And the written portion shows the changes A. Yes.
O. Read with loud voice the printed portion OF the
senator CoNyEss suggested that the reading had bet
| terrible done by the clerk.
then read by the Secretary Of the Senate In the
original form the Office was TO be held during the plea
sure President of the United States for the time
beng;" in the altered form these words are srnck out
and the following words substituted: until successor
| shall have been appointed and duly qualified"
The examination was resumed 49, ,or,, d, orr,,ss,or
been used than the one as altered for such appointments
| A. No, Sir. ,,,,n
used prior 20 the Clvil Tenure-of Office Aetf A.
| have.
O. Has there been any change made in itl A. No. Sir.
Mr.. BUTLER-Please give me scopy OF the commission
Office oct.
The witness handed the paper to MI. Butler.
O. State whether the printed part OF TINS paper was
the part ln use prior 10 the TenureotOnce act! A. IL
9. Was any change made in the form of commission.
| A. Yes
The commission was read by the Secretary Of the SEN
ate showing that the words during the pleasure OF the
President of the United states for the time being had
sooner revoked by the President OF the United States
! for the time belng" substituted. .,,oo,
fetal opinion Of the Solicitor of the Treasury was taken
! A. 10 was.
| After a moment, Mr. Butler withdrew the question.
@. Do you know whether, since the alteration OF tDs
form, any commissions have been issued signed by the
President as alteredi A; Yes, Str .... -,
Q. Has the President signed both the temporary ana
permanent forms OF the commissions as ateredi A Yes
@ Look at this paper last handed to you and state
what itis' A. 1t is commission issued 70 Mr. Edmund
TpSe1 Shat 5atei a. "a Of November 1851
O. Who the Assistant Secretary OF the treasury at
! the time Of issuing that commissioni A Mr. L. l.
Q. Do you happen to remember, as a matter Of mem
ory whether the Senate was then III session. A mink
9. State whether Mr Cooper 9uaIihsd and went into
Office under the first commissioni A. He did not qualify
@ what u the second paper handed TO you! 4. Itis
letter OF authority to Mr. Cooper 70 act as Assistant
Mr. EVARTs asked whether the other paper was con
Mr. BUTLER replied that It was.
Mr.. EyARTs asked, When are we 70 O., know tho con
Mr. BUTEE @ e2Sd Ga 9ey gSrS Inc b SO sss ss ss TH we
The SECRETARY Of tho senate read Mr. Coopers com
ss hold his Office To- the end Of the next session Of the
senate and longer subject 10 the conditions prescribed
by law lie also read the letter OF authority dated Do
cember2 1867 which recites that vacancy bad occurred
in the Office OF the Assistant Secretary OF the Treasury
and that in pursuance Of the authority OF the act Of Con
gress OF 1T99 Edmund Cooper Is authorized 10 perform
The duties OF the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury un
Ill a appointed, such vacancy n nlled
! The examination continued by Mr.. BUTLER
q. How did MI. Chandler get out OF omcei n nc
| O. Have you a copy Of his resignation A. have not.
q Can you state from memory at what time his reSg'
nation TOOK enectf A. ! cannot II was DAY Or Two
before the appointment otMr. Cooper -, e,.,,.,,o
The witness was cross-eHanined by MT. CURTIS, as
o Can you n1 the day when his change form of
the Commission. first made A. think IL was about
the fourth day after the passage OF the act -.
from recollection A. speak from the decision OF the
Secretary Of the Treasury on The subject which was
O. Then YOU would fix the date as the 9th Of March
Senator HOWARD again complained that II ~ns impos
sble for the Senators 70 hear the testimony.
Mr. CURTIS repeated q as follows The question was
for the witness 20 hx the date when s chanse III the
form OF the permanent commission first occurs
q WIN you now state what that date was according 70
your best ecoectiOn A. 10 was the 6th OF March, 1901
Mr.. BURT VAN HORNS TESTIMONY
Mr. Burt Van Horn was sworn on behalf OF the Man
MIR BUTLER--Q. WIN you state whether yop were
Pbmpas AdIntant General OF the United States was
there make demand for the Office property BOOKS
O. when was iti A. It was Saturday, Che 22d Of
o. About what time OF day A. Perhaps few minutes
% q February of what yeari A. 1893. ,...,..u
O. Who were PRESENT. A. Qoadng) Cen. Charles IT,
vanwyck Of NewYork; Gen. @ NJ. Dodge, q Iowa; the
bon feema9 Clarke Of S on Smh5s d9 hUn Sabo ii
OF Ohio; the Hon. w. d. Kelly OF Pennsylvania; Thomas
". Ferry. Of Michigan and myself The Secretary Of
War, Mr.. Stanton, and ns son were also prescott ,
@. Please state what took plaeei A. The gentlemen
office he usually occupies IA Secretary OF War Gen
Thomas came apparently from the Presidenps INTO @ ,he
secrotary's room first, he SAID; "GOod morning mr
Good OTng sa1G We aSI AZ ssS soGS
morning Then he began the conversation ss loiioSs'
s g9ret.rr Var I'd Interim and an ordered by he pt,,isUi
Omitted States take charge Of the ohoe NJ Stanton Then To-
RSeos. sa .pAd =. Ay Thomas rsgis .
crsr. but shah obey bs Of TIE President .hO has ordered me
s e's' IsT, o. st T order yoa c repair to Jour place s
AasntGsOsrsL Mr. Thomas replied sn m not 90 .os .9 M, h
n,On please cannot act Secretary o. WIS., you 90 80 you
80 isry 80 of%srJ y Jy''"- ''' '''''''
This was the conversation in the secretarys room.
O. What happened then A. After that they went TO
the OF Gen. schriyer, opposite 70 the secietys
o. Who went hrstl A. Cen Thomas went first he
bo1 some conversation with Gen schriyer that did not
hear; he was followed by s Stanton. by Gen MoOrhead
fion was had that did not hear but got into the
room; 1t but moment after they went IN, however
understood was the summing up Of tho conversation
AIR stanton said, Then you claim 90 be here as secre
taiy War and refuse TO obey my ordersr MT Ihonas
sS dS s Se dTeTed Se 70 me- and % shah ira ali
the business Of the War Department that vas the SUP
stance of the conversation which heard and In fact the
Nv Mr. BITi ERDid you make any memorandum af
ma6S at shs doS the
occurred IL was copied OF by clerk in the presence OF
q What was done after that Where did Thomas gei
A. II then after II o'clock the Tsst OF US came Gns @
| Schriver. go - 49, - A..
| Crossexamned by Mr. stanbery-The witness said that
he went TO the Department 10 see the Secretary O
war on public business the time being rather eAeluhg
he went there TO talk with mm public affairs namely
on the subject OF removal did talk with MIN on that
subject went there In company with MT Carhe OF neW
My arrived there Htte before II o'clock; Gen Moor
head and Mr. Ferry there when he arrived thOuBt
Mr Delano there also two OF three Others came In
afterward could not say what their business they
dd not make It known 70 him Gen Thomas then came
into room; when the conversation between ten ana
the Secretary began he had large envelope and pencil
in his pocket during the conversation ~ occurred 10
/ he know what they said dld