New-York tribune., 1868-07-02


again. witness knows Mr.. Kinball Mr. Potter and Mr..
CARROLL with the first two he had had repeated transac
tions had had Office OF his till recently; Mr. Kim
ball had had an office; witness had sometimes procured
Custom House surees, and been paid for doing had
sometimes exchanged checks with BrttOn with the
others witness knew of the mortgage sale by BrttOn 10
was bogus" or anything more than that there was
such transaction. Re.drect-BefOre witness signed the
dctment now hanging over him, and told him that IL
would go ne went this matter he understood that
may have spoken of this indictment tin after the ai-
davt made may have been Raphael who spoke Of
Edwin Kmball was the next witness. He had resided
l6 years III Brooklyn and had been IN the shipping ana
commission business for years. he now attends TO his
fathers shipping business; he witness IN the Su-
peme Court suit he signed an affidavit IN MT sandiords
Office the 2d OF June; before he signed this Madison
called at his house and said that Raphae wanted 10 see
me t6e rance o a. I ESe Potter and op
had made counter afdavs TO the first atdavi witness
told m the conversation did take place that he witness
had testified 10; he said IL must have been other
than Jackson and wished me TO make counter am
dav1t TO that effect he SAID Jackson detectives after
for week, and had had papers made out TO
witness then went with Raphael to sandfords office and
there introduced Jackson before they went there
vit were made. AT the office jackson as
told him he not mistaken as TO the conversation
that certainly place; he denied that IL was be
tween him and Rec; witness then told him he would
make affidavit that the conversation was not between
him and Rec; few minutes after the aihdaYit Was
brought ont and witness told he must gn that or he
would be arrested; 1t read 10 him. and he signed ~
Jackson told him he had had % detectives 20 men, ana
women following them; a had followed him to
church the Sunday before. and sat on the seat DenG
him; Jackson said he had political influence and money
power 10 protect him from all HARM this said az
sandford's office; witness believed from Mr. JaoRs%9ns %
statements that the affidavit he asked was true ana 'at
witness was mistaken in the person. Mr. Sandford ex-
pressy told him that the denial Of the conversation oh
referred 10 jackson and Rec to Jackson ne
identity; witness objected TO making tne
statement, and thus elected this eXplanatloh1,
witnesses previous testimony correct the affidavit
was left in sandforis office; subsequently Mr. jackson
asked him TO say nothing about having made TINS am
davt to any one and not go near MT Rec or MT stough
ton; witness not acquainted with MOser and had
spoken 10 him. the 9TH of June witness swore 70
another ahidavit he dill TINS because ne thouel tnS
first affidavit denied more than he intended to- he asked
Mr. Sandford for his frat affidavit and u was Tetueed ne
hentook the second to Sanford ana Sad hat ne anu
roll wished to substitute II for the first Mr. sanford sad
he would take and look II Ove this was as they were
going into Court; subsequently ne saw MT jackson w1o
said affidavit would be used and the other returned
the only he had for believing az IN the second am
davt that the conversation was a Trick OF kee wa
Jacksons sworn testimony; Jackson so stated ana
witness believed him; he first knew his second adaNt
lager beer saloon in Centrest where Raphael, Carroll
witness and Others were present The oross-eIamlna-
ton Of this witness involved him in some CONTRADICTIONS
but unimpOrant.
George D. Carroll testified tnat Mr.. jackson spoke 70
HIM Tuesday, during the recess OF the Court ana sad
1t great outrage that he should have made the AMI
davt which he gave to Mr. stought9n It would De worse
for him. witness then testified that kmbal haa to1 MN
that the persons who had 10 the adays In favor
down to see Mr. Raphael that he had gone down TO
Mr.. Raphael and after long conversation "i.sh
oee there was Witness asked TO see Mr.
Rees three alleged conflicting afidavits; he was
shown them, and Mr.. Kimbaps affidavit, and pro,
tested in pretty strong language to MT klmDan
as to what he had shown; by that time he began
think there something in the indictment business
and the sweat began 20 pour from him; the amdavlt
produced, and witness said that he would rather
have his right hand struck off, but ultimately, after hay
ing clause struck out did sign IT, believing himself
10 be away by the Others witness told Mr sand
ford he didn't want sign anything OF the kind. and
Mr. sandord told him, Do as you please :; witness on
that supposed there doubt as 90 his being ar
rested ana walked into the private Office and signed 1t
and sWOre 10 IL; he asked Mr Sandford what reIau4h
that placed him IN TO perjury MT SANFORD sald ne
criminal lawyer, and could give him no security
in the matter outside Of the office Nh Raphael enoined
secrecy witness and promised him for Mr. jackson
any trouble arose security and counsel aud that not
hair OF hshead should be harmed witness proposed 10
Mr. Raphael go Mr.. Jackson, and Raphael ADVISED
him not TO the statement in that affidavit that ms
affidavit was drawn by Rec and the other state
ments In that affidavit. all untrue witness had
known Jackson by ghtthrec OF four years was familiar
with his voice; could not have boen mistaken l " VII
ness made several attempts back is ahdavits or
at least, them; he failed. aud then drew
his second affidavit IN substitution Tor Lhe
SAWYER he then tried TO Mr. sandford but was ui-
able 20 find him tin he M the Court House when ne
him his substituted aihdaylt ana knoal - my
then sent to No. 10 Centrest 70 wait; the subs
utonal affidavit says. Kimballs affidavit that no
believes Rec had deceived them by substituting some
jackson IN the conversations held Win hn
witness that the only fact from which he
swOre was JacksOns testimony that ie had had such
but that he still believes " was Jackson
mind that a must be made against Rec witness e1-
planned another paragraph by saying that Mr Rec had
day said him that IL mattered little whether Jack
son had been the person had the conversation since
the referee decided that IL not and, on being
pressed by witness had said II not Mr. Jackson II
was Andy Johnson" he made repeated efforts 20 get
hack his affidavit from Mr. sandfOrd Judge Porter and
Mr. Jackson. The examination was postponed Ill
this morning at "a o'clock