The New York herald., 1868-03-29

Tor In the blL lie mad no sympathy with those
engaged in the business. lie Thought II evident that
t could not be carried honestly with the present
price OF whskey. Reduction OF taxation might
mitigate the frauds somewhat. He too, believed
the present provision for additional penalties would
be found impractcable. lie called The attention OF
the chairman OF the committee 10 the fourth section,
and asked whether 1t did cover all manufactures,
factures above $4,000.
Mr.. SHERMAN said il did.
Mr.. HowARD, Hep) OF Mich, asked whether
lumber and nour We're incudeds
Mr.. SHERMAN replied In the Affirmative He said
II includes all manufactures but butter and cheese.
There was no reason why an should not pay the tax,
Mr.. JOHNSON, (dem.) Of Nd, opposed the amend
ment at some length protesting himself in favor of
that a reduction even to one dollar would result in
the cessation OF frauds and the collection of large
amount or revenue
Mr.. WILLIAMS, (rep.) OF Oregon, said the PROPOSE
tion OF Mr.. Morton was inconsistent. Starting out
as it did by taking the ground that there were
already penalties provided that not carried out
and yet, proposing another, what proof was there
that II the district attorneys made dishonest CON-
promises with fraud they would not connive ut the
escape of the same men from criminal prosecu-
tion. great outcry had been raised about
was sery looking to their
yenton, professed great sympathy for the poor dis
tller. He held that the true course to stop these
frauds was proceeding IN rem, not prosecution OF
individuals. He argued that the present provision
was justifable and would be effective.
MY. NYE said the large distilleres in cities manu-
factured for foreign market, making superior and
high priced article, upon which they could afford to
X.
Mr.. SHERMAN asserted that the distleries OF Ken
tucky and Ohio made most Of the whiskey exported
about two million gallons.
IN New York that manufactured solely for exporta-
ton. Were they to be closed up because others CON-
mitted frauds, and their stock left on their hands in
order to allow the government to dispose Of the
whiskey on hand from seizureS
tax as and as being the soe cause 20. Of
the frauds. proper tax could be collected, and
the idea that whiskey was an outlaw to be hunted
down. In Indiana the legitimate production Of
would efectualy put an end to it. The true way
was to impose such tax as the manufacturers
would feel was just and felt In honor bound to pay.
Mr.. MORRILL,, (rep) OF Me- said II 1t was to be put
upon moral grounds he maintained that the govern
poisonous article and fruitful source Of crime
AZ, however, this was matter that might be left to
the States he was In favor Of taxing 1t as luxury
to the highest possible point.
Mr.. SHERMAN said the only question now was
whether the bill was in such form as would be ap
amended without another committee Of conference.
ne expressed some surprise that the senator from
vermont and others were now opposed to the section
taxing wholesale manufactures
MT. MORRILL, said he had not been aware that
Mr. SHERMAN called attention to the fact that it
would not impose tax Of more than two cents on
barrel OF flour; merely placing tax Of onedfth Of
II was not tax on breadstuffs but the wholesale
products, and utterly too insignificant for
in regard to the whiskey fraud had been included for
which, however, neither the House nor Senate was
POI i was inserted at the urgent request
told them that ne could not collect any revenue nom
wniskey slsy without It. Il would not affect the
country disastricts because there the dis
tilleries could be controlled; but 1t would
prevent the immense frauds committed in the cities.
He sawtn0thing alarming in the bill that woulo work
any injury in couple Of months, when this whole in
ternal revenue matter would form the subject Of
q In N fnfO a
general discussion Of the various points raised,
though he could show that the proposal OF the Sen.
atOr from Indiana (Mr. MOrton) was unjust and
would be nugatOry. He appealed for vote tonight
or otherwise they could not tell when the bill would
MI. FRELINGHUYsEN was in favor OF the PROPOSE
tion to close up the disteres. II innocent II would
price Of the whiskey in store lie denied that It
would have the effect Of post nct0 law in stop
ping the manufacture by persons engaged in viola
ting the law.
Mr.. DAVIS argued that the committee OF confer
ence had no right to take cognizance Of the whskey
provision. Such provision defeated the right of
distinct vote and freedom of debate every ques-
ton lie advocated At some length the taxation Of
mode OF collecting the revenue.
Mr.. HOWE declared himself in favor of collecting
two dollars tax, but thought this bill would be noper
ative to do IT, on which point he spoke at some length
At halfpast four O'Clock Mr.. CoNKLTNG, (rep) OF n
for the action Of another committee OF conference,
Monday being set apart for other business, and
had, either on agreeing to the report, motion
to nOn-concur.
Mr.. HOWARD then moved to disagree. and ask
another committee of conference.
Mr. EDMUNDS said he would vote to send the mat
ter to another committee of conference, In order to
provide means for the collection OF tax as effective
as possible.
Mr. CAMERON, trepl Of Pa, believed the tax could
be collected and would vote for this and every mea
sure tcuding to enforce it.
Mr. TRUMBULr, irep.) OF ILL.,, did not believe tax
OF S2 was to be collected by innicng extraordinary
penalties Crime could not be prevented by the eX-
tremity OF the penalty.
Mr.. Howard's motion was agreed to by the follow
ing yote:-
YEAs-Messrs Buckalew Chandler, Cole Conklng Davis,
Dixon, Ednands, Fessenden Hendricks, Howard, Howe,
Johnson McCreery Morrill, Of vt Nye Patterson Of H.
paerson Of Tenn Esmsey, Upton, Trumbul Van winkle
NAYs-Messrs Cameron, Cattel Frelinghuysen Hender.
son. Morgan Pomeroy, sherman, Sumner and Wade-9.
Mr.. Ross, who would have voted '.Non was paired
with Mr.. Morton. Mr.. Thaycr who would have voted
NO." was also paired.
The CHAIRMAN appointed as the new committee of
conference Messrs. Sherman, Howard and Morton.
POLITICAL DISABILITIES OF TENNEssEEAN.
Mr.. TRUMBULL called up the bill to relieve the pO-
ltca disabilities Of Mr. R0derck X. Butler Of Ten
nessee.
Mr.. BUcKALEw, tdem.) of Pa, took the floor in OPP
POSITION but yielded at five O'Clock to motion to
adjourn, and the Senate adjourned to meet on Mon
day at eleven O'Clock