The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-10-17
the report and the several propositions under discus
sion and TO move the following al subsfitute:-

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ton and the acceptance OF the diocese ~
Mr.. Welsh, after several Interruptions proceeded
to make speech upon the necessity OF Increasing
occurred, questions being raised to the speakers
right TO the door, the practice introduced by DR..
na Ss parceng out the me Inc e eon moor
OF the house and its presiding officer being strongly
objected so. Mr.. Welsh, however was declared to
be entitled TO the floor and proceeded TO addrr 50
himself to the project Of abOlishing all restrictions
upon the division OF doceses and the erection of
new hishoprics, except such as the organization OF
guarantees enough, and then North Carolina. Ten
nessee, Texas from whence so many complaints
nave been made, can be relieved. Mr.. Welsh closed
Win the motions minated Rev. DIR. Lttlejohn OBJ
jeeted TO a double motion, but only the motion to
extraordinary that motion to table should be made
peloie the committee mad an opportunity to close
we debate and give the reasons for Its action. MI.
welsh withdrew the motion to table, offered his
other resolution q substitute and debate pro-
ceehed. Rev: DR.. Pierce suggested an amended form
of tne last clause OF the second paragraph so as to
make 1t read:-'And such consent shall not be given
by the General Convention until 1t has received salts
factory assurance OF suitable provision for tho sup
cese.n
Again 1t was asked all over the house what the
question before the House was and after converse
ton between number OF members and the char the
President stated the question to be on the substitute
offered ny Mr.. welsh 10 tue reported amend nent5,
and that the whole subject open for debate Mr..
TaZewell Taylor, supplemental delegate from yir-
pecuniary restrcton since In the State OF Virginia no
religious corporation can own any property except
10 endowment Investment for the support or a
new episeopate could be made IN that State.
Rev. DR.. Macahey believed the object of the sub.
stute TO be TO get rid Of this pecunary restriction.
There Is now no such restriction but 1t is proposed
to be inserted by the COMMITTEE Now those opposed
TO the restriction should wore down tho substitute
aud also the amendments. and would thus attain
their object. DR.. Mulcahey, referring to the gen.
eral subject, repeated the arguments made the DAY
C. 1osffu
ing for their adequate support the dirEitv OF the
episcopal ollce would be lowered and the speaker
comDatted this as lalactous lie also believed that
large part OF the opposing arguments are disposed
OF by the proposed addition to the canons, reported
less than six parishes and six resident presbyters.
lie was not afraid OF the legitimate development of
the Church, but was AFRAID OF the money centres.
Rev. Or. Howe OF pennsylvania, took the floor.
They have now territorial restriction and a nu-
ercal restriction, and 1t is now intended to
these restrictions and only introduce for the
adequate support OF the episcopate which Is reached
In many dioceses by the contribution OF one dollar
for each COMMUNICATE As to the multiplication OF
bishops there need be no tear there sensible
mean in all things, and the General Convention Is to
retain the control Of the creation Of bishoprics.
Governor Stevenson, Of Kentucky, moved that the
debate close at haiipast p NJ, and that Rev. DIR.
Haght be permitted then to close In behalf OF the
committee. As the reason for his motion the Gov
crnor said that If every subject should call out such
amending debates New Years day would find them
still in session. Judge Comstock moved to amend
that no member should be allowed to speak longer
than five minutes. nor more than once. Ten min
general sense OF the house appeared against it. The
amendment was carried and the resolution, as
Rev. Df. s. Z. McMasters, of Minnesota was in
favor OF removing the restrictions, but he IS I'M
pressed with the truth Of the remark made by Rev.
DR.. Mead that unless we take what the committee
reported we lose all. But the General Convention
should keep ts strong hand over the young doceses
around 1t. In new dioceses the clergy are worthy
young men, they ambitious and they had seen
how they act; they even change their family name
without as much as asking ''by your leaye.n Young
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ism. Ibis brought out Rev. John G. Gasman, cleri-
felt hurt by having his diocese '.contemptuously''
referred to- and declared that his delegation Is In
favor OF the committees report Bishops should be
the missionary field without support the speaker
considers him unfit for the work.
Time being called, the reverend gentleman gave
way to Judge Comstock, OF western New York, In
opposition TO the reported amendments 1t would
Salaries OF bishops, which would be an interference
in civil contract between the churchmen OF the do
| canon means more, it requires an endowment, the
Win support fRs spssopas ' ca s'e Of r i0
up'' urged loudly against the Judge, who moved the
| limitation OF debate interrupted his argument and
Mr.. Edward McCready, OF South Carolina, followed,
giving his view, an old lawyer, OF the legal inter-
probation OF the words OF the proposed Gallon, and
opposed the pecuniary restriction as more odous
any Intention On the bart Of the Committtee on
Canons to make their declarations an authority IN
s Inc az sd tSs meaning Ing Of
reported. After some conversation between Cover
nor Fish and Judge Constock, Rev. Dr. Milo Mahan
the clause Of restriction: II has been charged that
II places the new dioceses within the power OF the
the case no diocese can be created without the
consent OF the General Convention. lie continued
I'm advocacy Of the report and the debate was drawn
out at length, many members taking their five
minutes, among them Rev. DR.. Goodwin. who
quoted from St. Paul that .the Lord hath also or.
daned that those who preach the Gospel shall live OF
h ss gpSspxS as s os past two O'Clock the
The Rev. Dr.. closed the debate with very forciblo
and argumentative, aud at times even eloquent
speech OF nearly an hours duration. He referred ct
first TO the many objections made to the proposed
alteration OF the Church, and gave the reasons OF the
committee for consenting to them. lie knew all are
equally DESTROYS OF promoting the prosperity or this
branch OF the Holy Catholic Church, and Ii any there
be who wish to clog the wheels OF the chariot OF the
Church rs 1t moves on, he has yet to see them and
how to do 1t. To each OF the several objections the
Rev. DR.. replied In detail using very forcble
argnmeats 70 d,spei wnatover those might
cially strong was his argument In support OF the
proposition that bishops should be adequately sup
ported. They should go forth with untrammeed
hands ana their minds at ease. They should have
the "slver and the gold wherewIth to do their
work;- they ought TO have not only the sympathy
but the support OF their elders and brethren Bishops
should not be sent forth without scrip and without
stan The first care OF the Church has always been
TO support the episcopacy From the first DAYS
OF the Church the oblations, now called the
ofrertory were used In support Of the Church AID
divided into four parts, the first fourth going to the
Bishop. The reverend gentleman then quoted from
l. Corinthians TX. 7:-"who goeth warfare any
time at his own chargess VINO planteth vineyard
and eateh not OF the fruit hereofS Or who feedeth
a flock and eateth not OF the milk Of the focSS"
and verses IL and 14-"Do We not know that they
which minister about holy things live OF the things
OF the templeg and they which wait at the altar are
partakers with the atari Even hath tho Lord or
dalned that they which preach the gospel should
live Of the gospel.n The reverend speaker then
spoke OF the assumptions OF some that
bishops whole business was TO go from parish
to parlsh and hold converse with the communicates
No! A bishop must study and be at work In his
closet Woe To the Church when a bishop does not
study and whose prayers are hurried. lie then re-
ferred TO the Mother Church In England tho course
OF which in regard TO colonial bishops should be
taken az instructive examples. and also 90 Canada,
where the division OF the diocese OF Toronto into the
dloceses of Huron and Toronto was only consented
TO after a sufficient support had been guaranteed 10
the Bishop. Many other reasons were adduccd by
the reverend representative OF the Committee on
Canons, and he cosed With an eloquent perorstlon,