New-York tribune., 1868-01-06
JOIN BRIGHT At ROCHDALE

the Tory marty since the Reform Bill of 1892 showing
that they had continually opposed Reform been
beaten from their position, and that the pretense
made by Lord Derby last Winter of being favorable
TO Reform was merely to avoid being turned out OF
Office by the Reform party, which he was powerless
to resist When the Reformers were repulseu they
soon advanced and gained the point for which they
had fought but when the Conservatives were Deaten
they retreated never again to take up the same posi-
ton In speaking Of the work still to be done III the
direction of Reform, he said:
The representation Of the country Is not comp'een
hear i'm mind by this bill We who have Deen active
promoters OF Reform for the last 20 or years never
limited demands to the mere extension OF the sun
in bOroughs 1t Is not enough that men snOuiu haYe
votes would undertake, have said DelOIe 10 give
vote to every the kingdom, and yet could 80
arrange matters that the Parliament would not ony oo
popular democratic but less 20 ihah WAS
before. At this moment there Is in ENGLAND ana & GS
about SO small towns with popuaton Iangn % io, W
1900 to 5000 each which under the new Dill WI return 90
members these &c members one ior each eSsOugn WI MI
he population not much more tnaI nan Ic
population OF Manchester or Birmingham Inc Iesuae
would have been 80 bad provided thOfe ao
tually represented the persons IN WHOSE nsnes %
fesed 10 speak the real fact s that they do not rep
resent the constituents OF those as you e n @
placed upon the registers OF electors Last 5pfns @ m
down ia somersetshlre, and / saw nan oozen
gentlemen from small and interesting tCwn taers %
they came 10 talk about politics. ana asked tneu
what would become Of their borough, wnlch az pfeseN
returns members, n one OF those members Wsre te
away The answer was 80 long as we nave Two inen
bers we have fair chance OF returning one Liberal ana
we generally It; but when we shah have Only Que
member 10 return Mr. So-andso" mentioning the name
Of Il gentleman In the neghborhood whom 90 no. now no
remember. and the Cathedral VIII be 700 ssrong 10y %
Therefore in that borough hitherto DIVIDED between tne
two parties Mr.. So-andsO Will return the one molhoc,
and he will the Tory side OF the House ne VI. M
NOT the voices Of the people Ot te
town but those voices subject To the control OF ta s
teman who lives la the neighsorhoQd ana OF tat
dr influence which very scrong In the borough Ihat
but one instance OF nearly AL these Doroughs Ihers
are very few OF these So which really hold any proper
basis for representation at all and so long as yOu
in the House OF Commons very large section OF mem
bsr returned in this way, you Will see A. once nat tne
popular voice OF the oOuntry-he voice oi te great oo
stituencies like Glasgow, Manchester Birmingham ana
score OF others-wi have nothing IKE lts influence III
Parliament because two returned from great oWn
in ancashir or Yorkshire will ind themselves met py
two returned from Two villages sQineNnete y, LII olo
south OF the West All this will have TO be changed very
greatly before the subject Of Reform really setted
After an argument in favor of the ballot as OPP
posed TO rrd rOce voting no proceeded TO discuss te
Irish question, as follows:
Itisnot my intention TO say anything In the way OF
explanation Of what conceive 70 DC se ns o ts
remedies which ought long ago to have Deen alYneu
have done ihat ose So'G ~ O. commnE One thing
auy rate may be allowed to say with regard I'd Ihe
that entirely disagree with those Who wien any Csls
trouble arises, say that you tnusi nrst Vi al p
order you must pat down all dsloyaiy anu ,h
ence to the law you must assert the supremacy " tne
Government, and then consider lhe grey az, .o
planned Of Generally, after having asseftsd the suYiel
acy Of the law, and having made what they CAL pNsce
under the teTrors OF the law the & ar p % hn
ten and there is considering OF them ms mas zen
ireland Tor Lup years kicot pi'ScANN %
the fnrbarity OF the law but rarely exhibited itself
but IN former years the h4npen Vi n,oetbtnS VIM
death by the law In Ireland was solne'nanB n % mou
deriul and appalling to think o. ,s SewI Tryeng yenig'
under the guidance OF Of Ireland's great.
est sons. the late Mr.. OCOunell there were heu
IN Ireland meetings OF vast numDers vi .lo Po9p'ed }pd
equal probably IN number 10 the meetings tnt Su
year ago in Birmingham, Manchester iee,ls OlhSgOw,
certain things that were evil IN Ireland 70 ue1iaHo
remedies to complain even that there shoiu Do iess
that only Irish Parliament could abolish the mseres
OF Ireland but there II not one OF you tat can point 70
any single or great measure OF justice w.n %s SS Sve
ireland IA consequence OF these great neetigs'
They the other side OF the ChanhcL lChecrs.
They did not frighten Lord Derby Ike te meetngs ol
last year they were not 80 near monte anu INC @
meni I'm London always knew that they cOud count upon
the power OF Great Britain 60 prevent any great ascIo
beng done across the Channel Inc grievances gs
remedied the demands OF the people were hot cohce
nothing has been done IN ireland except uhaer ao mn nv
OF terror 1f you go back 10 the nist ie Neh & s
horrible penal laws were ameliOrdted' y0n wiz hhu
1t was during the time OF the American war & 81 lue ,n
peLdcnce when the Government III Lonuon Ieie snas
IL would do TO have great war WIN te cololSs on
hand with disaiectlon IN Ireland, ana te pehaI iaWs
were mtIgated to some extent in to1y .ne Nii,
Emancipation bill was passed but the DUKE OF Nelhhg-
admitted passed because no would not IaAe tn
responsibility OF clvl war AlterNaIu nnSL s
famine took place. Poor Law was passed ior Ieisiu'
and the Encumbered Estates Court was estao1sneu; IN m
order that the sale of land might be made more Iee ouS
except under the pressure OF some great emergency no
man can point TO- great S. Deea and If these
great meetings disregarded what was more natural
"a
not reasoning we'll stimulated by IN impassoned feeling
OF the wrongs done 10 their country should descend INTO
the ranks the odous and the criminal ranks OF dark
conspracyl II last year Parliament had refused 10 eS
tend the franchise all our great meetings hau been he1
ia vain the popular voice had risen so tha an the Wo
shond have heard the deaf members OF the Imperial
Legislature, You would have had III Enghhu VII hoe
say dark and criminal conspiracy but you "oula nave
had men who would gradually have worked their way
among the people, and would nave instructor thsul
In principles and practices which are near akin 10 the
worst form OF criminal conspiracy Hear, hear Ihere
IL nothing safe great meetings CheersI Come tO
gether look each other In the face let the men VINO
Comprehend the things discuss them fairly before You
consider them well for yourselves vote by an open free
your rulers take that voice significant of the will OF
the country and let them bend to and give the county
done Ireland and IL on that ground ana Tor tht
reason that you have at this moment the terrplc ana
calgmitous state OF things that exists In America You
have another Ireand-an Ireland which does not fear
the in Irelandsn Ireland which Is tui OF
passion with regard To what they believe 10 ne the u
ings OF the country they have left Hear near Many
OF these capable and many OF them desperate
saw i-deeds OF cruelty and OF blood in the
course OF most envenomed and sanguinary oyi war,
than that they should turn the instruction they
have received TO purposes which they believe IN soe
Qres patrotioi II the Government OF England ana Tue
Government OF the United Kingdom, rs II Is called hau
government OF statesmen, does any man IN tho
such "A pass as this IL your leading and comment men,
Instead OF camoring constantly forOce they had I'M
might have been done ireland might have been tran
quill aud the Kingdom might long ago have been nnIyd
Cheers As 1t is, what "A position we are ln Inc
whole civilized world points TO oar condition. Iho news
papers France, of Germany, end even OF lay Ign OF
trouble as she ust now and the newspapers OF the
United states discuss with great freedom nut Whh more
or less fairness the condition OF this country WIN respect
TO tho state Of things In Ireland They do not now
write about Poland Hungary, or Venice; but iliey
about Ireland and they point to the people OI
Great Britain, and say that we have not done oar
duty toward sister country ana whateNer De
the crimnality which We az now dep0te ana conaeA,
a responsibility that neither be weighed nor
measured rests upon us, tia people VI England NOW IL
would be easy to show tnat as nation anu ITops, we
have lost greatly in character by the state OF things eA
isng between England and Ireand and II II were not
delicate subject 10 treat upon, which now think bet
ter to avoid. II would DO easy tc show how greatly We
No. last in moral influence MttE