The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-01-04

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given liberty at home and instead OF increasing the
influence o. France abroad mas psesa Ise eoury " syca
10 cal larger number OF her sons uadr arms Applause
to the left Of the speaker, There Ia NOT in fscs,
single which that policy has not eended. Eng
land by the conspiracy o. ne colonies after the trial
OF BERNARD; Russia, by the ormean war: Austria BY
italy, Prussia BY Austria; and America By your synspa
thie for the Sluth and the ucsicdn expedition you have
besides allowed two large Powers to be created and
maintain IN the midst Of one spite OF Its protests
small kingdom which may become the occasion Of an
alliance between your eneniss OF the South and or the
North Your expectsnt policy towards the formation OF
German unity did not permit to count upon tho
friendship or The conqleror OF the conquered and
repeat that in order to nanaln her position France
obliged 10 arm all her Hear, hear Dis
sent) But Is tho remedy which you propose Al efficient
one
~ JULES FAvRE--It will increase the evil.
NJ JULES SIkoNYou prolong tho period or service by
two years, but by SO doing viii you augment your army
men 10 your present effective do not think war so
imminent as is supposed by persons Us no Power
ing marriages you reduce tho number OF young men
who will in future draw IN the conscripton whereas
you ought rather to favor increase Of The population
bciieve that dotdlnt stores. fnprvd and plenty
Of financial resources are more useful than large mum
Der gsdier. applause on several benches We arc
accustomed to several forms Of national pride, which
are. however, decreasing
voCE-So much the worsoi
NJ. JULES HMoN-ln France the French soldier Is said
TO be the best in the world do not know whether IL
IL true. tNoise.) believe ne 10 equal to any other.
But IknoW ho,p to render him inri,ciblc Gus he
Of liberty 10 defend Applause around the speake
Embrace that ngro ctnces otherwise you
may agaomeraton OF soldiers, but you will
never have ARMY tHear, hear.)
Baron JEROME DAVID said-A fatal and inevitable ne.
cesslty is tending increase the military OF
rival Sates Rapid concentrations If troops by railways
haze modified the t0etcs Of armies and the discovery OF
engine Of Is sufficient % g,ce he nation toheh
possesses bodes ioaich IS already pledge Of success
The most valiant peoples thus forced to neglect
nothing TO improve their military system France is
doubt at peace bu the boatny Of the military ty and
ne intarcaioa Of pcLry ne Rhine, and he imprcca-
ti0ns IF the military prty the APPS male duty
for her 20 ddpt measures % preserve ice sl.ua,'on q that
great French any tcaica has atoays arercised its radi
ttat hoTify Europe. The bill enables us TO main
tain the superiority, the numbers being equal France
has isays possessed over toe best troops EUROPE
That pre-eminence arises from two causss--from the
possession of old soldiers OF from to fourteen
years, wbicn armies not The soldier OF
perfect. otter fourteen years he il out;
discipline has destroyed his Initiative. Tho popu-
lar tradition has been u, staken in its ideas OF
the efforts Of volunteers during the French revolution
Tho old troops OF the monarchy IL that bore the
first shock and saved the country proof Of ibis fact
is furnished by tho first historic Of the voun
teers: Longwv, tho dsile OF Crox Bois the camp
OF Manlds, and the engagement at Bertheim. General
Jomin declares that great spirit OF disorder reiRned
among the volunteers OF Dnmonrier and that second
army would have been necessary TO keep them In order
Marshal Gonvlon Sa'ntCyr says II error TO suppose
that recruits dressed IN Uniform are soldiers; they arc
only an embarrassment to army; General Bugeaud
denied in the Chamber of Deputies in 1884 that the
luneers under the revolution had conquered Europe.
They were beaten in the two frat campaigns, and
only soldiers 1894 The battles OF Jemmappes and
Vamy gained by old troops The tate IN the
Uat al Stats supp sed 10 be argument in faoor of
volHteew ifear, hearl But had he Ko,ts possessed
old soide, tbs Rld haze dSed o,s'y fao n.phs
,aseod Of ~ gas. Tho Poles who rose In masses
were also vanqulshed. clear, hear.)
VIsooGDt CL -lhey one against ten.
Baron JEROME DAvp--Ihe great European nations do
not trust 10 volunteers and make military service OBJ
ligatory to all citizens In Prussia their lives
the country from the OF twenty forty; in Austria
tnay have 10 twelve years the N.Y. and
liable be called the Of forty five; Russia
the service l. twelve years under tho dag Thus the
organization proposed oy toe b is the least onerous Of
all Europe tHear
France children soldiers, a. that under the
flrst empire lads of fifteen we're under
fire. Nose; nterrupuon) ses, in the second ported
OF the First empire the victories were gained by young
soldiers
General DAUrHEvnLs-Ihe young mingled with the |
Old.
NJ LApouR MouS-Doubtess General, but I only |
sustain that there 10 necessity for all the TO DO
trained. Baron David declared that the soldier OF ten
Is perfect and towards the end OF the first
empire there were very fe~ of them lett tTnterrup-
iion.l beg General Lebreton, who interrupts me- 10
explain ms idea
General LEBRrrox-I said that there were at that time
young soldiers mixed DID, aud tina, the latter
were the best. All those Who made tho campaign Of
lSl3and vas OF tho numberwill remember that after
having fought we'll the young recruits covered the
roads from raxony with their corpsss. not
wbsh failed them. but strength and moral energy
The courage OF the soldier arises from his confidence IN
his Comrades, his chiefs and in the organization OF tho
army, AMI this can only BIO acquired by experience.
tHear, near.l
N, ERNEST I1cARD-Tben We must return TO tho law
OF 1885,
LarouR pu MourN-In the young soldiers Of whom
L
my's hre than OF the sentiment oil The general disaster
wncn commenced to atlant the empire. 'rrue, true"
several benches.I What contend Is, that such q
long apprentssge 10 arms is unnecessary.
~ GRE sgR-W hat you paw DO at enon to Is that tho
Superior Council in ISIS demanded nine years without
The PafsDESr-I demand that these interruptions
should not take place incess antly.
NJ GsASikR DE CAssAGsAc In the midst or the tumult
pronou need words, OF which all that could DO
caught were 'the battle OF Toulouse"
The PsnspEyr--wo at the battle OF Toulouse.
Lat
NJ. LArorR Du houLis-I beg II. Grsnier do Cassagnac
10 repeat his Interruption, for did not catch II.
Ths PREsIDESf--I request the speaker " continue
without needing the Interruption.
H. LA1oUa pU MoutIs-But should wish 10 under
NJ GRASrre DE CassaGSAc-I said that out OF respect
for tho speaker. Noise; interruptionl
The PRHsDEyr-M de CassagDac, please TO wait for
Jour turn to speak till give you authorization.
N. L,ToUR 20 MoUIis-I bog tho PresIdent 70 permit
N. de Cassaguac to repeat MS interruption.
NJ GRASiEg De CAssAGSAc-I remarked that out or 70.
spec for principle had allowed the speaker to de-
liver his battle 81 Toulouse In 1915 willie Marshal Sout
n. I..roua Do MourJs-I insnk NJ dc cassagnac for
his correcuon Of my apsw hngug. I think am as
do no, understand tho force Of his OBJ
servaiion. In conclusion ! say hat since de-
would have q, ieas, as many nsEes AZ ths Il would
have been better TO keep TO law TO which every 10
accustomed and which has been In force for thirty nvo
years. During every citizen understands that he
may be called under the flag But tho Law enact
ing Is made with q view to peace.
N. LATouR Do NoULD-I shall remark TO the Minister
OF War, makes a eign OF negaton, that Il de-
siguedy said did not suppose at this mo-
ment passing law VITA view to approaching war;
for otherwise this would b. the hand Implicit
refuatlon OF the speech to which reply, aud, tho
other H. Jules Simon has demonstrated that present
increase would not atain IN the event OF war, the
object you propose do not share all tho IDEAS
pressed by N. Jules simon TO marriage,
but there eomo facts worthy OF attsn-
ton. Ia Prussia tho population has increased
nity.eight per cont in forty years; In France
only twsuty.tso. Tnese figures eloquent and show
the nporancs Of tho questions raised in this tribune
relative TO this subject DO not forget that the best de-
fence Of governmsut against ita enemies hume
abroad IL soely large hattsons but s accord
with public sentiment. Consider also these words Of
Tacitus --I'essirum tuirs,corum o.pus. t1udunte,
MARKS of approbstion.l
Numerous yoicks--''To.mouowi Tomorrow No
N0iu
The PR,sprvrTt 10 CONT do Ia Tours tur1 10 sreak
Count TouR-Gepilsmen, am az the orders OF
the Chamber, but seems 70 mo sidcut at this ad.
vanced hour 10 discuss the quaeton CONF lstsly.
Ths Chamber decided that the question hha1d be ad.