Public ledger. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1865-1893, 1868-04-03
CONGRESSIONAL.

at IL m, ana the Onalr was im Heuies.iy
vacated for the Chief Justice, and the
court opened at 1910. The journal was
read. and Mr.. Drake Immediately rose
and said "Mr. President, send to the
Chair. an ask the adoption of an amend
ment to Rule Z, by adding the following !:
upon all questions of evidence and
incidental question, the vote shall be
without division, unless the yeas and
nays be demanded by one-ffth of the
members" Under the rules the amend
ment lies over one day, u
Mr.. Stanbery said: Mr.. Chief Justice,
before the managers proceed With another
witness, we wish to recall, for moment,
Mr.. Karsner." o,
Mr.. Butler" submit to the Senate,
that if Mr.. Karsner is to be recalled, the
examination and cross-examinstion hav-
ing been finished on both sides, that he
must.be recalled as witness OF the re-
spondent, and that the proper time will
be when they begin their case.
Mr.. Stanbery-" We will call him but
for a moment"
Chief Justice to Butler" Have you
any objectionsY
Mr.. Butler-"No, sir.
Mr.. Karsner then took the stand, aud
testified that on the night of the 9th OF
March, he was at the house of Mr.. Tan
ner, who is employed in the War Office,
but did not recollect that the next morn
ing he went with Tanner to the War De-
parlment to see Mr.. Stanton in regard to
my (his) testimony. Saw Mr.. Stanton,
but not in regard to that or anything IN
particular. Was introduced by Tanner.
No reference was made to Gen. Thomas.
Received no memorandum from Mr..
Stanton, or instructions. Something was
said in regard to my testimony.
Thomas NJ. Ferry, NJ G. from Michi-
gan. was then called, and testified that
on the morning of the 22d of February,
when General Thomas came to the War
Office, was present, and paid attention
to what occurred, and made a memoran-
DUN; aud have that memorandum now.
The witness here read from his memo
randum an account of what was said in
the interview referred to, WHICH was
! pretty much the same as was testified to
by The other witnesses. He said that
| Stanton asked Thomas II he intended to
use force, aud was replied to by Thomas,
| that he did not care to use force, but he
had made up his mind as TO what he
| shonld do. he was briefly cross-exam-
ined by Mr.. Stanbery;
Gen. Emory, commander OF the. post
of Washington, testified that be had had
a conversation with the President in re-
gard to the movement of the troops OF
the Department of Washington. The
conversation occupied long time, and
| can only give the substance of it. told
him the strength of each fort There was
some conversation as to whether more
troops should be brought here, and
| made some recommendations according
| ". Something was said about the or.
eanization of military force in Mary
land. said did not see the object Of
it | was sent for by the President,
and again, about the I'D OF Febru-
airy, / received q note from Col,
Moore. This note read before the Re
construction Committee. called on
the President abou. midday, and found
him alone; cannot undertake TO state the
conversation that followed exactly. The
President asked me if | recollected 8
conversation I had with him when ] tool
command Of the department. | told han
I / did. He asked me what changes haC
taken place, and / told him no msteria
change. and / went On to state th'
changes. The President stated that HI
did not refer te those changes, but Il
some that had been made within dsl
or two. / assured him that no recen
changes had been made, and told hin
that nader q Law Of Congress all order
now had 10 be isened through Genera
Grant. The President asked me Wha
order il was / replied No. IL, OF III
series Of 1867. At this time
gentleman came in and withdrew 10 tn
other end ~ the room. In the mean
time a messenger had given me cop.
OF the order, aud when the gentlemai
had retired, Ishoved the order 10 Oh
President, Who read i and remarked
This is not in conformity with the Con
siisution Of the United States whiel
makes me conmander-in chief, OF wit
the language Ct your commission"
/ replied, That Is the order you have 81
prorod for the guidance Of the army.
be then said: Am / to undersian
that / cannot give you an orde
except through the General Of III
srmyY' I replied that such was n.
opinion, and told hin that there va
considerable discussion az 70 the mean
ing Of the order, and that ] had consulte
hsrers ani vas advised H.. ] shcsl
obsy The order Ire lawyer cOnsnlts
uas Robert J. Walker. ! also under
stood that other oRcers bad consulte
With Rsvsray johnson, and l suppose
that be vas Of the sane opinion IN
Presidsnt sAid the object Of the Law We