The New York herald., 1868-05-20
ENGLAND.

Church DisendOwmcnt I'm Ircland-( athOlics
and Presbyterians TO be Included-No State
Aid TO Observation-Disclosures Encounter
Between Gladstone and DisraeIi--Johu
Bright Takes n Hand.
an the House OF Commons on the Tth instant the
consideration Of the Irish Church bill was resumed
Mr. GLADSTONE rose to move his second reso.
luttOn, affirming that II Is expedent to pre.
vent the creation Of new personal interests by the
exercise Of any public patronage and to conne the
operations Of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners of
Ireland TO objects Of immediate necessity or such as
involve individual rights pending the final decision
Of Parliament. They proposed the reso' 'ution, he
said for reasons OF political and OF practical char
acter. The political reason was that IL was not de-
srable to pass abstract resolutions without follow
ing them up, and for his part he would never be
party TO that proceeding. charge was made
against them on the other side that he and
those who acted with him had not acted sincere
motives He declined to bsndy assertions aSd paa psga
tons. They convinced nobody. But the best proof
they could give OF their sincerity to give effect
10 tneir general declaration by bringing In measure
70 carry II out which, he proposed TO DO The other
reason was of practical character, and it was that
was desirable 10 prevent fresh crop OF vested in
teress growing up before final egislat on could take
place on the subject In the bill which he intended
TO bring in he should propose suspend the power
ments TIL the lsf Of August, 1899. No great ncon
venience, he believed, would lie Sustained by this
measure. as there were provisions in the C6urch %
Temporalities act by the application Of which ar.
range@ens might Be made for the performance RI % Of
the duties. The resolution did not apply to livings
under private patronage There were but few of
Item in Ireland the bulk OF the vnes in that coun.
crown.
Mr.. @. HARDY said he wished to explain the posl.
tions Tney had sustained as great defeat upon the
INST resolution as II was possible to do, and with
view Of bringing this session to an end 1t desr-
able not 10 pr0tract discussion the resolutions
but must he distinctly understood that the govern.
ment gave no assent to the resolutions and gave no
peNge a. 70 what tney would do with regard to the
bill when 1t was introduced. But he observed that
whie there was restriction on the Irish church
professors to a. noolh or Of resk recipients Of the
Maynooth graft On the part OF the government
ssfe9rs, G ne should recommend that there should bc
no ulVfslon on the resolutions, though the govern
msnt would NEE them with negative.
, he resonlon was put and carried amid cheers,
MI GLADSTONE moved the third resolution-tbat
On address be presented TO her Majesty praying that
ests through the exercise OF any pubi,c natrona,a
her Majesty WIN place at the disposal OF farament
Der interests IN the temporsues of the archbishon
rics, bishoprics and other eccesasticai dionas tp
benefees IN ireland, and In the custody thereof '"
claring that when the Anglican Church in yra,ad us
dreetsblshed and disendowed the grant 10 Nav
ued. He said ne cordially approved OF Mr. Clad
stones resolutions but 1t was important that therc
should be no ambiguity in ths matter. Any pfopo
sit1on to endow the Roman Catholic Church wonld
England, but By the whole people of Scotland. " "
Mr.. JOHN BRI0Hr Baid-Sir l wish to make this
observation In regard 10 this resolution that il il one
OF very different character-I am not now express.
ing an ppnpn ss to what proposes 70
mittee The three resolutions already agreed 20
were necessary for the purpose Of laying the founda
uon OF q measure which it IL hoped the House will
pass during the present session. Therefore there
ws nothing in them Of the nature Of what IN called
hn abstract resolutions; and nothing that pretended
IN any way to bind Parliament or any parties here
Mtr. Now, the present resolution Is OF Q diferent
nNacuer because u has and can have nothing what
ave. 40 with the bill which II Is understood is
:, mnr W. has this objection, that although
may eApresss the opinion OF the House as To
mnas snau be done nj q future time vet "a a
.. eesuoh generally leaves out about two hun
aiauoiand GO "',o " "a, In the previous Parliament
aautm-anu az anewParliament is a drerent BODY
wtn une.ent sentiments, acting from diIyerent mo.
uses anu oiten under different aef ~ circ,rn.
stances from the one that preceded n tbere secm,s
% 20 me 70 ge no use whatever, regards any pur.
pose OF le-islation In passing the 9ust
moved by the honorable gentleman behina yns' rns
tOh pD To the first part OF the rcsoIu,ion aa ny.
the word discontinued" presume evervho5. IN ia. Us
would agree because 1t has been stated ovay 'vy a
again in the course OF these discnssIons ,n.
ment the grant to Maynooth and the regi,t,n don,y
would be Withdrawn. (IIear, hear.) But obiect ~
the words iD the latter part OF the resolution he
cause ! say they propose to bind the committee
70 that to which Il Is in my opinion quite i'm.
possible that this committee win consent
II they have read the clause just 10 read the
iatter part OF IL again. IL says:"And that no part
OF tne secularlzed funds Of the Anglican Church, or
any atate iuDds whatever, be applied In any way or
uhef any iorn 10 the endowment or furtherance Of
lhe h"nan Catholic religion In Ireland or to the ~.