The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-01-23
The Facts Regarding the Generals
Surrender Of the War Office.
Programmes of the Political
Parties.
Sharp Debate in the House Of
Representatives.
Another Democratic Member
"Out Of Order.,,

m Out Of Order"
y Hgagasatgs a4- .r
~ 4ssb os; 81 & 90 ,a.o E
S s4naassis.s WASHINGTON a e., jan ~ isos'
The Dimculty Between the President and
-&9 tNaFA General Grant. az @
So much Of . contradictory character has been said
and written lately about the understanding between
President johnson and General Grant, regarding how
the latter would act In Of the reinstatement OF Mr.
Stanton BY the vote Of the Senate that public
b sorey puzsled 10 get the real truth the SUBJ
jsct According TO the Presidents friends Grant has
proved himself deoever, trckster tool OF Stanton
and willing instrument in the hands Of the radicals to
bolster up their failing fortunes. According to the
sthsr side. however, Grant is much abused innocent
and worthy patriot who has bssn macisusIy mis-
Tspresented by Johnson men, who have inculcated
unbushing lies. FLANDERS and libols against his
character One side has II that Grant made solemn
promise mot 10 60 back on the President The olher
side consnds with equal zeal that Grant never did any,
tAms Of The sort How y y possibIs p como 70 any
atsiacteg conclusion whore there Is such Conflict Of
tsstimsnyi The New York Tma Of Monday last
through its Warrington correspondent assumes 10 give
what ID called insfutabls statement Of the facts In
controvsrsy" which the writer asssrts hS y~n re-
aponsiby y whaseyer that may b. Ts Times state.
SsSs L entirely pf0Gfknt snd iht.Johnson. Gran. il
represented agreeing with the President that II he
lGran should refuse to give up the War once at the
bid Of the Senate, then tho only way Stanton could
n would bs by legal proceedings but that Grant made
no promise 30 to act that Grant subsequently ex-
aminsd the civil Tenure Of Once act and
became convinced shat BY law he would be obliged to
vacats the Office the moment the Senate should BY
resolution declare Stanton renstated that on tho 11th
inst Grant informed the President OF this his convic
ton, Tin order that Mr. johnson might be fully ap.
pEissd thereof in advancs' that thsrsupon the Pres
dent sndsavorsd 70 obtain from Grant that
Grant would assist in keeping Stanton out anyhow but
that Grant would give such assurance that Grant
DID not promise TO call again to the President
Monday, and in fast that the entire story circulated by
The Presidents friends 10 nsthing but series Of well
contsivsd hsG This u Substantially the statement Of
The 1sHsa The Tribune Of yesterday contains what Ia
called ocal contradicten Of the rumor that Grant
and Sherman have advised Stanton 10 resign.
Ihays taksn soma little trouble % get q the truth
through al this complication Of assertion contradiction
end ialsincation, and though Dc not like the Tines
pAilosophsr state It on my own responsibility
have not the sghtsst hesitation asserting % the
rsspsnsbiity Of others that the statement an about
give u shs truth, the whss truth and moth Ing but
he TRUTH 70 fAr eomsaiabs. On Tuesday, January
~ ME Stanton rsnstatsd in ths War once and on
Ne same day there . Cabinet meeting. q which
Grant present. not b. request or the President but
II bis own free will and motion Before the meeting
Grant had sent . note 70 the Prssdsnt in.
lsrning him Of what had occurred. The note
was delivered BY Colonel Comsscck, who ii the
aps time remarked that sGrsnt would himself
Ghossly - The President" The latter in answsr said
NJ supposed Grant would be at the Cabinet meeting
5his the ony thing that said the occasion that
h~ HsL> A. 40 a. IN
asssnd the Cabinet council. Grant, however though
pssfsipg 70 DO no longer Secretary or War; went to tho
eouncil and there In the presence Of tho Cabinet
tntsrcgatsd a 70 why he had broken faith with his
superior BY susndssng the War once 70 Stanton
tEasy 10 express understanding II been repeatedly
MD that Grant then and thsre denied that he had
hAA any understanding with the President the sub.
jses chat he told the President that he had gvsn him
nscs On what he intended 70 do the Saturday pre-
esns and that hs had not promised to call again on
che Monday preceding the reinstatement am sorry
that exact justice will NOT permit this pretty little fabric
fAsincasn 70 stand There 10 record irrsfragabls
evidence 10 show what Grant did say and do ct that
memorable Cabinet meeting There 10 mot the slightest
doubt that Grant admitted. In the presence OF the
Cabinet promise either 70 resign the Secretary ship
q War or compel Stanton 70 get mandamus to put
him GRANT, out Grant very much confused and
- os0Ssh8s shu NJ
reiterated the promise on the preceding Saturday,
when requested BY the President 70 give . decided
way the other. He confessed, also, that
be hsA undoubtedly agreed 70 wait upon the Presi-
dsnt sgsn ON Monday, and excused himself in
. stamnering way By saying that he haA bssn
engaged with General sherman and "othsr little
mastsrs'' thai day, and was thus prevented from
kesping' shs engagement He told the President
tsat he afraid Of the provisions OF the Civil Tenure
Of once b ana he did not wish 10 encounter nns
ssd imprisonment BY opposing Staatons Reinstatement.
The President reminded General Grant he had said
shat no 1.-THE Prendenp would bear all the penalties and
rssponsbilily that might BE- connected with opposing
Stansons rsinsatsnsnt under the Civil Tenure bill
that II there should be any nns imprisonment result
inG from carrying hts hs Presidential views in tho
matter. he ths Presidency would suffer them himself
and thus relieve Grant from any danger whatever II
also pointed General Grant that on the Mon
day before santons reinstatement he tGran could no,
have bssn engaged with General Sherman a. tho latter
bad called ON shs President chat day, while Grant had
sos done 90. 70 this Grant made no reply. He vas
ass rsminasd that he present at the Prosidents
reception % Monday evening. whom he said nothing
whatever she President about his change Of view
but greeted Mr. Johnson In the usual way.
On Friday. January IL. another Cabinet meeting was
Asd and AFTER shs regular deliberations long editorial
pubsheA IN the National InfsuiSencsr OF the 18th.
giving an account Of the undertaking between thu
President aad 0nat and corroborating the Prssi-
dents version Of the anair, vas read In presence
u Secretary MeCuiloch, Secretary Drowning, Sec
Rotary wsllss Postmaster General Randall and
NJ. johnson. Each Of these Cabinet officers stated
then and there that the statement Of the case ~
presented In that article correct but that did not
20 far enough represent the matter In rs bad .
shape - the truth would justify. Secretary Brown
% remarked that he had kept . pretty full
record Of the proceedings Of the Cabinet meeting
OF Tuesday and Of Grants admissions n that
time, and that the Tnteuioenc0 article statsd the
truth when It said that Grant had promised either
sign and give bacK possession Of the War oce to the
President in time to place the latter the position
a. when he appointed Grant Secretary od interim, to
compel Stanton TO resort 10 legal proceedings 70 obtain
possession under the Civil Tenure bill Secretary NC
Cuocb remarked that he surprised that Grant acted
IN such had faith. postm asev ensral RAM docIarad