New-York tribune., 1868-04-04

any Of your handwritingf A. recognize eohe vi TINS
Have yon since written out any portion OF the speech
you reported 1T A. wrote out couple oI eAiao'9
@. Is this your handwriting Chandng paper to wit
| o. state whether what you hold in your hand is
correct transcript Of that speech made from your notes
O. when was that writteni 4: II was written when
appeared before the Board OF Managers wines, py
direction of Mr.. Butler placed bis Initials on ho p'p'i
% yon Saye produced notebook Of lengthy seno-
whole Ss speech A. Yes. of the whole speech
6 How long did the speech occupy in the delivery A.
suppose some 20 or ?5 minutes 49,. -...,.,. a., ,o,
% By what method OF stenOgraphic reporting ala you
| proceed on that OCCASION A. by Pitmans system oi
Wh1ch Is understand reporting by sound, and not
! by sensei A. We report the sense by the sound.
o understand you report by sound ONLY A. Yes:
no good reporter can report unless pays attention
! 10 the sense and understands what he is reporting
setting il down their notation attending to the sense
and setting 1t dowIifrom your attention to the sense A.
O. Your characters are arbitrary, are they not That
is they are peculiar to your art A;h s,r Yes sH
| q Nor words A. We have some word signs.
O This transcript which You made of portion OF the
| believed A. Yes, sir; few weeks ago.
What in the practice Of yogT h5I Is y tne
notes after the lapse Of considerable period OF time
| A. / will give an illustration. When was called before
the Managers did not know what was wanted OF me,
and they told me TO turn 10 my report OF the fe
l a III
their request the extracts which they desired me to copy
Q. You read from your stenographlc notes. \, aes'
The reporters for the Managers took II down. ana ae
@. Do You make sign for every word A. Almost
| O. You have signs which belong to every word, ex-
cepdng when you drop the parelesi A. Yes SIR. A..
| representative Of a whole word A. We have some
signs representing whole words ,.o,, ,ovo M ono
| sign that represents ti A. No. sir. should write'
@. And that is an illustration of the proceeding A.
Counsel examined attentively Col. sherdans notes,
| and seemed to be apparently satisnedl
! MR.. JANIS O'CLEPHASE's TESTIMONY.
| James OClephane was sworn, ana examined py MI
Q. What is your businessi A. at present Deputy
Clerk OF the supreme Court OF the District OF Columbia
| O. What was your employment the 18th Of August,
1861 A. was then Secretary of Gov Seward Secretary
O. Are you Photographic reporteri A. am
q. How considerable has been your experience A.
q Were you employed the 18th OF August to make
report Of The Presidents speech III rePy 10 Mt
Mr. smith for the Associated Press and also Tor me Ddy
| ChrOnieie Ot Washington
! @. Did you make that report a. / did
q. Where was the speech made A. In The east room
O. Who Were PRESENT. A. There were a good many
persons present noticed Gen. Grant ana several oher
@. We're any Of the Cabinet officers present A. do
| not recollect.
| 8 What @ was done With that report l. Col Moore,
the Presidents Private Secretary desired the privilege OF
/
| matters MIR smith Mr. Sheridan, and myself united in
the labor OF transcbng; Mr.. Sheridan transcribed one
Col oore il was then taken and handed the agent Of
the Associated Press who took It and tclegraphed over
O. Look al that roll Of manuscript before you and say
il il is speech OF which you transcribed portion a
bic that may have dictated my portion To long mana
| writer. A.
smith, Mr. sheridan. aud Col Moore, so lar as recOect
q Doyou know Col hoores handwrit,ngt - 90 h3,' @
a and rr,aupT a.
MacE arlane who had engaged me TO report ier Im
chronicle, was unWilmg 20 TAKE le LeHou p'eS" @ % h
stated with all imperfectons. and hc insisted ON
! lie Sunday Jfor7,bg Chro,iicie of the 10Th;
Q Have you copy Of that paper, A. Il have aye not
Moraing C6ronicle did You see ~ A. did; examined
1t very carefully had curiosity to see how 1t would
the exception perhaps of word changed here and there
| O. How do you meant A. When the word used would
although perhaps Would not topont just
o. with what certainty you speak with reference
TO he Chro',ic'e report being an accurate one
report with he exceptions have named; perhaps thee
! is a word two changed here aud there ~.
O. Give us an illustration Of that change A. Ny AZ
fention was called, day or two aherWad TOT matter
some correspondent learning that me CToH,cie had pun
ushcd a verbatim report, had carefully scrutnized IT,
and be wrote 10 The chronicle 10 that IN one Instance
there expression used by The President, you
and has sought" something of thar knd; that eh
preston OF course, corrected IN the report wrote
o'wsr BI-TGrR here remarked that a. two manuscript
copies were IN existence in the telegraph oce and that
Mr. Tinker had given MN me one whlgh w1 Mrv , Su,
as he had supposed he would have to bring MN on again.
| and he would send for hlm.
| Cross-eKamnation by MI Eyarts -, -.
| O. You we're acting In the employment Of the Asso
ciaed Press A. Yes Sir, connection with Mr.. smith
20 Von were Jointly to make a report A. No,
20 report the entire speech each OF u.s. ana We then d.
| yidcd to save the labor OF tanscribing.
| O. Did you take Photographic notes OF the whole
q. Where are your phonographc notes A have
| searched for them and cannot ma lhehi
| O. Al any time after yOu had completed the phono
graphic notes did you translate or write tbem ohtf n
%. O. The wholei A. Yes the wholespecch.
| O Where that translation written transcript
A. do not know the manuscript Of course wa; - left at
| o. You have never seen 10 since A. have not.
| q Have you made any search ior II A. have not.
mort and the translation or writing cuts all that you
| lad TO do with the speech! a. Ihat s al;
o. You say that subsequently you read 4 newspaper
co2y of the speech IN Te Washington Chronicle A. Idid
| q When IL that you read that newspaper copy
4. On the morning Of the publicalion-suDday morning
@ Where were you when you read ti A read it at
O. II was from that curiosity that you had A. read
| II more carefully because Of that. =.
e Had You SS yGS rG 9qs6 se q SaS nS HGs OF
| O. And have never them In comparison Win a
s0S IN ss If0tm y Mr. Have
before You a copy OF The Sunday Morning Chronicle Of
% Look on fhe page before You aud see you can find
the speech as you reported i'll a. find II here
O. Looking ~ that speech. tell me whether you have
any doubt that that is accurate verbatim report OF the
sncech OF Andrew Johnson on that occasion, and II co.
| what grounds have you for doubti .hS -
| Mr. EVARTs-we object y that It is apparent that
the witness took nQtes 6 t speech and the notes have
heen written ont They the best and most trlsl,
worthy evidence OF the actual speech as made Ip all
bc proceedings We are entitled tO that degree OF ac-
cnracy and trsworhness which the nature OF the
demands Whenever papers ~ that degree OF authent-
city are presented here for the first hne the question
viii arise whether the evidence s competent IL Is I'm.
possible contend the evidence OF ts witness as u
now stands that he the speech The President
so that he can produce by recital so that he can say
from memory that this Ia the speech What Is onered
herei The same kind OF evidence and that alone which
of palaOn who heard the PRESIDENT