The New York herald., 1868-04-04
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o Was the crowd noisy one' A. II was.
e. Were the crowd ana Tue fies'ueu' Danuy'ne
Mr.. EvARrs-The question is not what was said.
Mr. BuTLERi do not auoP nueson ss WSetSep % en e
thets were thrown sack and forth between the Presi
ueH1 Mr. object to the question The ques
tion is what was said" Every one does not know
what bandying epithets IS.
bandyinx epitIiets iss
Mr.. EyARTs-I suppose our objection will be first
Mr. BUVLER-I beg your pardon; however, win
withdraw tne'Guestion; Ny proposition pp T. Is ths
90 T Is no objection
M. BUTLER-I only withdraw my question as to
the meaning Of word which one Of the counsel did
oa,s case the cries Of the crowd were allowed to be
pxt IN evfence but that question precipltatey Is not
Has said there by AN way Of nerruptions @ Il was
asked whether there were Interruptions, and whether
there was asa crowd and Al the president stopped to
Mr.. EvARTs-The questions which we object to
were those about the bandying OF epithets back and
Mr.. BUTLER-I will put. 1t in another form. Q.
What was said by the crowd to the President and by
the President to the crowd? A. The President was
frequently Interrupted BY cheers and Kisses and cries
from those opposed to HIN.
Ar. BUTLER-You have. right to refresh your
memory by any memorandum or copy OF @ mem0ran-
>aGm made by you at the time
Mr.. EvARTs-Not by any copy Of memorandum
which you know to be copy made-at that time.
Mr.. EyARTs-We do not regard anewspaper as
Mr.. BUTLER-well, we may as well have that
settled, because, when IA man says II wrote 1t down
a. best could and put It in type four hours from
that time, and know 1t to be correct Ftnsist that
as q rule Of law that Is a memorandum from which
the witness may refresh his recollection
MI. EvARTS-This witness is to speak from his
recollection II he can. If he cannot he is allowed
accordingly to refresh his memory by the memoran-
dunn which he made at the tlme
Mr.. BUTLER-I deny that to be the rule of law. He
may refresh his memory by any memorandum which
The CHIEF JUSTICE required Mr. Butler to reduce
his question to writing.
= Mr.. BUTLER having reduced the question to writ
1ng, put 1t to the witness In this fOrm desire you
TO refresh your recollection from any memorandum
made by you at or near the time, and then to state
what was said by the crowd to the President and by
the President to the crowd"
Mr.. EvARTs-That question we have objected to.
The CHIEF JUSTICE asket the witness whether that
was memorandum made by him at the time?
Witness-lt Is a'copy of memorandum made at
the time.
AT paper which he knows TO be true copy OF a
memorandum made at the time.
Mr.. BUTLER ito witness)-Go on.
witness commenced reading from the paper.
MI. EvARTS (lnterrupting)-We understand the
ruling OF the Chair to be that the witness Is allowed
to refresh his memory by looking at memorandum
made up at the time, or what is equivalent to It, and
thereupon to state nom his memory thus refreshed
memory, but not read from the memorandum.
Mr.. BUTLER ito witness)-Read it.
witness lreading).The, first interruption to the
ITesdenC occurred when he referred TO the name of
General Grant, and said he knew that large mum.
Der OF the crowd d.. sired to see General Grant and
cheers for General Grant and the President went on.
The next interruption occurred when he spoke
OF the object OF his visit, and alluded 10 the
name OF stephen A. Douglas; then there were
cheers. The next cases OF interruption occurred at
the tile the President used the language az
WIS Paccd on the ticket (eaning the ticket for the
Presdency) with the distinguished citizen now no
More" whsrelpon there were cries Of Ats pity"
tunate."
=. What was then said by the crowds A. The
Prcsluent went on TO say that 1t unfortunate for
some that God rules on high.
,sa M: EvARrs, nterroptng said the point made by
examination OF this witness he could show that
there were Interruptions for spaces. Tha, is the
whole question as l understand. Now the witness
Is reading the Presidents speech which is not yet
in evidence.
Mr.. BuTLEn-And as ! understand 1T, he is not
reading tho Presidents speech but giving such por.
ton OF II only as 10 show where tile Interruptions
come 10. Now, when We compare the Interruptions
with the portions OF the speech where you took ac.
curate notes YOU win see why there time to take
portions OF IL cts'6Gtin.
The CriEP JysggoE ito wlinessI-Loos at the
memorandum ald then testify from memory az
wnness-The *; Interruption that occurred was
when the President remarked that ~ hs predecessor
haI lived
Mr.. EvAErs-TEe question WAS OF the nterrup.
Mr. BirLfg-l b,'s yeur pardon; Iput the ques-
ton. and there was no obJcc ION to IT, What did the
President say To TIC crowd aad what did the crowd
say TO the Presilentg Now want tnat. U.aughterI
(fo witucssl-Co on and answer.
Witness-When THIS remark was made the crowd
responded Never ne,erl' and gave three cheers
FOR Congress. The President went on 10 say:-"I
came here rs was passing along and being called
On for the purpose Of exchanging yiewsr-
The CHIEF JUSTICE Cnterrupiingl-Mr. Manager,
do you understand that the witness Is to read the
speechS
Mr. BuTLER--No, sir; he Is skipping whole para
graphs, aud he is only reading where the Interrupt
tions come in Cro witnessI-Just use the latter
witncss--when the Presiden, remarked that he
mere or n wr
continued cries. The President inquired, later
rlghtf' whereupon there were cheers and counter
cries Of "New Orleans ~ long continued. That cry
President into paragraphs. Then there were cries Of
why not hang Jeir Davsr The President respond
sSsus Of of w hM and "er eres wers c
lang Wendell Phillips !" The President said,
why not you hang him" The answers were,
on L. ask, 4" Have you not court and an Attorney
Generali WHO is the Chief Justice and
Ihete were then interruptions by groans and cheers.
lie fhen said-'Ca upon your Congress, that is try
Msr - 1 p ss Esr owm "o , Groa Then there
was Gtoce-"Don't get so mad" The President
sad-'I am not mad.' Then there were hisses and
othey septence OF his voice cried out-"what about
Moses ~ when there was laughter in the crowd. The
next i.iartupton ! rccollect was when the Prcsi.
dent Inquired, "Wil you hear me ~ Then
the c,S was taken up and continued for
s0me minutes All this time there was great
confusiop cheers 10y the friends OF the President
and counter cheers. by those apparently opposed TO
hin: The President repeated his question. ask.
ing the cicwd 10 hear him for his cause and for the
constellation of his country. There were then cries of
"Yes, yes eco on." In the next sentence he
inquired -Whcn, under any circumstances he had
violated tlo constitution OF his country Z" to which
there were cries In response OF "Never nevern and
counter ei,errs The next interference was when
Mr. SewstdS name was mentioned, and there were
cheers far Mr.. Seward. The President said
lie woulc bring Mr.. Seward before the
people. lie asked ''who was a traitorY',
There were cries of "Thad stevens The President
asked, WHY don't yon hang Thad Stevens aud
Wendell Pkjllitar Then there cheers and
misses. The Psesident proceeded TO say that hay.
tng fought trxttcrg at the South he would fight them
a. the North. Then there were cheers and hisscs.