The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-04-01

z. Nu ne do S0y, "A. He did. Ah- "a
Q. After ascertv.ining that 1t was him, what did
yon dos A: fhanded him copy Of the resolution
g. About What time Of the day or nighti A. About
ELEVEN O'Clock at night.
9. DID you make the service Them A.,Idid.
Q. Have you certified the factsf A. Yes.
q. Ia that the certificate theref A. 1t Is.
Q. Will you read itf
Witness read as foll0ws:-
es q as
,an General q the United States Army and Che same q.
hs Of eleven O'Clock p M the aisi of fsSr%sTy
O. Is that certificate trueG A. 1t is
Mr.. WILSON then read the proceedings In the ex-
ecutve session Of the Senate on February a. 1868,
the copy Of which was served on General Thomas.
TESTIMONY OF JAMES E. CREEPY.
The next witness called was James E. Creecy, who
was examined by Mr.. Butler as follOws:-
q. State your full name and official position. A.
James f. Creecy, Appointment Clerk OF the Treasury
o. Look at this bundle of papers and give me the
form OF commission used in the Treasury Depart
ment before the passage OF the act OF March 1867
Witness produces and hands the paper to Mr.. Butler.
Q. Was this the ordinary form, or one used with
out any.eXceptionS A. 1t was the ordinary form.
Complaints were made on the part OF the Senators
and OF the counsel for the President that it was i'm
possible to hear what was said by witness.
Mr.. BUTLER suggested that II II were not consld-
cred improper he would repeat the witness an
swers.
Mr. EvARrs replied that the counsel preferred that
the witness should speak so as to be heard.
Senator TRUMBULL suggested the witness should
stand further from the counsel and the witness &C
cordngy took his position at the right hand side of
the Secretary's desk, when the examination was con-
tinucd.
O. For the class Of appointments for which such
form used before that timer A. think that is the
form for permanent commission.
Mr.. BuTLER-Now give the form that has been
used tn the Treasury Department since the passage
Of the act Of March 2, 1867.
Mr. SrANBERY, counsel for the President asked
the testimony.
Mr. BUTLER reped:-The object of this testimony
the Tenure sne Of aoS
act, certain form OF commission was used and Is
sued by the President OF the United States and that
after the passage Of the Civil Tenure Of ONCE bill
new form was made conforming to the provisions Of
the Tenure OF ONCE act, thus showing that the Pres
dent acted on the Tenure of Office act as an actual
valid law. Mr.. Butler then resumed the examina-
ton as follows
O. l see there are certain interineations in this
FORM DO you speak Of the form before IL was inter-
lined or subsequently, A. This commission shows
the changes that have been made confomably to the
Q. There is portion of that paper in print and
portion IN writing 90 ! understand you that the
PRINTED Portion was the form used before the Tenure
O. And the written portion shows the changes A.
Read with a loud voice the printed portion of the
Senator CONFESS suggested that the reading had
better be done by the Clerk.
The commission, In its original and in its altered
FORM was then read by the Secretary Of the Senate
In the original form the Office was to be held "during
th t h, T . th . ~ o r o.rseH S.'.s i9a
were struck out and the following words substituted
until successor shall have been appointed and
duly qualified"
The examination was resumed
since tnat act mas any other form OF commission
mon,sS " No cir cir 'A0 DO 'eio" 'oi 'u0n aPpoh'
Q. Have you now the form Of the official bond Of
onGers useo Irior toane civil tenure Oh ohce actY
c. Has there been any change made in itP A. No.
s'.; p,,,, w. plaza.
sion sSucd lar e,r nc e1py o, te snca ms
$500 on asSu W. tS ay ap!Ua.enss siGe .lie
IcnuIe VI Oii.c r'' tIHe "iluesS nanueu Tue
paper 70 az. buuer.)
W. sur "neu.ei Iiic piincg part Vi tnls paper
was te part III use PRIOR 70 the ienure OF once act
n Was any c,,.rge made E, Tho form n commits
W VS. Any e'tanse hi'ue Ill Tic iorin Vi coumiS-
s'on? A: Yes.
g It eo5'lsso, was reau Wy sne SecIetary OF tne
r e. ,ho p tn 'c WoIus ,,1 Ine piea-
,i,o h U @ =. nj, W. .e uat t Ssases or tne
thi ens Morc S'uoM ous, anu lug wVloS uniess
NJ Tho ntod Statos r ,h ,,, ~ ;o
o. State whether before these Changes were made
was WA taEens "a n was '0 @'''S VI '' ""u'S
@. Have YOU IL hercf A. Ihave. fwitness handed
"A fcr a mnment Mr. Rntlcr said no withdraw tho
question N' ~ nv "S" WIG
do you KNOW SINCE the alteration ratio Of TINS form
"a Hos rho Presiaent signed hotb' tho ta,rrororv
and forms OF tSe commssons as afereS
A Yes cir
o. LOOK at this paper last handed to Won and state
w nj tQo A IN Ia a m IN Mr.
mund Cooper as Assistant secretary Of the reasnrv
o. Hinder what dafeS A. 3d Of Novemher 1877
X Who wos the oss,atont e,ocrotorn - 10 T.oo
snTy AZ the time of iss,no that commiSys u, sne
f. T. Chandler " ~
o. Do YOU happen to remember. AZ n matter of
memorv vhethnr tho Saneta was ,nen a., SoSs;on "
A. think IL was not. '"'' was WIG" ~ '''S''n'
o. state whether Mr. Cooner nua,;aed and vop+
into ONCE under the first commissionS ne Ala
Gnalify under the first commissinn >' Ae "'~
o. What is the second paper handed IN voup
II 10 letter of authority 70 M Ecnner =" H., &C a
sistant secretary of The treasury w NV "0 A'
Mr. EvADrs asked whefher tho othor nonor 1vos
considered as readS '"0 ~'"'' f"fo' ""'
Mr. RITZ yR renjied that n wa
Mr. EvARrs asked-When arc we IN tnow tho con
contents of those papers n thew are not read '
Mr.. BUTLER stated that thew were the Same 90
read ' "N-' VIZ '"o DO
Mr. Ev.prs rcsnonded- .ryeu LOT q M On s.o,oa
We knew nothing whatever ahnnt tbHm !, 9" ''"'e"
The Secretary n the SENATE read the cor,r,ooor n,
Mr.. Gamer dated November 1897 Which nsovdo
that he shal hold his once In tho end oT he noSt
session OF the Senate and M longer Snbect 20 tho