The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1868-10-27

CERniy POLITICAL DEBATE.
Ccruas Debate on Politics af Tumnany
Ha'i-0ne OF the Parties sends n substi.
tnfc-an inasesse Audiencc-C commonplace
Speeches.
For several weeks the more active German poll
tcian, OF both parties the TAP Of expectation,
apnbic debate between the two opposing German
candidates on the electoral tickets OF the State having
been offered b. the republican and promptly
accepted by the democrat, which fact was over q
month ago announced to the public In the
HERALD. The champions OF the respective parties
were Oswald ottend0rfer. on the democratic
side, and Dr Friedrich scnuctz on the
republican, Neither u among the best
speakers that tho two parties have among
their sdhcrcn,s In this city; but the fact
that both hal been distinguished BY being chosen
by their respective parties candidates for Pres
dental electors rave zest 70 the proposed meet
ing, AMI all expected an interesting duel OF sharp
and pointed words II not a regular contest OF new
thoughts and tieas ana at any rate such an exposi-
ton OF the principles and aims of the contending
parties ~ would be satisfactory 20 the admirers or
each.
TOTS expected pleasure was somewhat MARRIED
MIR. Oucnuofier. having been In l health FOR some
ti,ne became rather worse toward the close o. last
week. ard his physicians found N necessary n pro-
h NO. MN IRON engaging IA TIE proposed debate
bility upon hin, aud would not consent 10 any
change u the arrangement unt yesterday NJ noon he
leave his bed aud venture cat without serious dan.
ger. Then only IN the afternoon Mr.. Nagnus Gross
Was substituted By hn 10 repscseat the democratic
cause az the debate. Dr. scinctz ia ms challenge
had pronoscd 70 discuss ana 10 prove the following
three points,
FIR. That tAe leaders Of he party have male
ssT y ss rss So ne "a s ss ssss
the rebellion and are esponssSio Tor ne cyiI w.r
party a tool Of the Southern sri,,ocracy.
The arrangements were made that tho Doctor
should begin the argument and speak for fory-hve
minutes: Mr.. 0ftendorier to answer him ut
equal length; then DIR. Schuetz was 10 follow In
half hour speech, and Mr. o. To close also with thirty
minutes. DR. KrackowZer was selected chair
man OF the meeting, and Messrs. Y. J. Joachimsen
and John j. Friedmann the democratic side, and
Messrs. Sigismund Kaufmann and Alfred Erbc on
the republican, committee Of arrangements.
Twenty gentlemen from each party were chosen M
floor committees 10 keep order, and number OF
At haf-past seven r. NJ. the large hail In The new
Tammany building was crowded, every seat and
every available standing room beng occupied Al
quarter 10 eight Dr. Krackowizer called the meet
ing to order aud announced the substitution ~ Mr..
Gross Tor Mr. Ottendorier, the latter "a he assured
the meeting being confined TO his bed by severe
sickness This communication evidently dissatisfied
portion OF the audience bur perfect decorum and
quiet was maintained, and the Chairman introduced
DIR. SchuetZ This gentleman ON rising, regretted
the involuntary absence OF the gentlenal who first
accepted the preferred discussion, and then plung
ing at once in ,edos res POLITICALLY asserted that II
appeared to him as II the walls OF tile building
were vanishing before him, and he and his German
! hearers aud the whole German population OF this
country were standing again on the soil vi their old
Fatherand TO take up the light against the arsto-
Gratis and munarchists, and there he knew they all
| would be united. Many fought democrats
against the princes and arlstocr.ts In Europe and In
1ecing here they, democrats in the old country,
joined the democratic party here, Tor In ECropc the
terms democratic amt republican were SYNONYMOUS,
and while he, . grown man., was lighting IN inc
democratic ranks IN the west Of Germany. ne looked
with Joy to the east the city OF Vienna, where the
young students mounted the barricades and bravey
breasted the bullets OF despotlsn, aud one OF these
| young men was Mr.. Ottendorfer, and be again
GREETED his absence. But IN this country there are
historically developed parties, and at TINS point began
the proofs by which the speaker promised 10 establish
his three points. Democratic government, he said,
meant government by the people, In the interest
Of the sovereignty OF the nation and against provin-
cialism, keeping In view no belittng local state
rights, but the material and intellectual welfare OF
| the whole people. He then proceeded 10 show what
the democratic party was It's origin and what IL
to-day. lie referred 10 the usual and common stock
in trade OF radical stump speakers the Declaration
and Washngton's views on slavery to u resolution
of meeting in Georgia In 1!75, TO statements Of
| Gouverncur Morris in the Constitutional Convention
4 Of 1887, from all OF which he concluded that the
| fathers OF the republic meant man-citzen and
which gives the right to vote, not race or the length
| OF the nose. The same spirit, he insisted,
Monroe and Jackson. NuilincatIon was al
! luded to and quotation read from Iient0n's
houn Was the father vi modern democracy and based
IL Oh the curse OF slavery. This change subjected
the party 10 servy 70 their arisocraiic masters IN
the South ana opposition 10 the Wilm0t proyis0 the
| repeal OF the Missouri compromise, the Infamous
| bred scott decision, and hnaily the war followed,
and for the latter he held the leaders OF the demo-
cratic party equally responsible with Southern
tocrats anu To sustain this he quoted nom numerous
speeches, letters and newspaper articles Ia closing
he gorled tho republican party as the best friend
of the workingman, which has given him the Home
stead law and consecrtted the great West to free
labor and to European Immigration
Mr. Gross followed, ana though utterly unprepared
no attempted, and with some success TO pursue his
| antagonist over hrs difiuse, meandeftng and mco-
| herent course Of argument. He began by asserting
mat the Doctors speech, however appropriate II
might have been for q republican TO make in 1850,
was utterly out Of place in 1888, when the republican
marty stands it, trial before the bar OF public opi-
ion. He then made the usual replies SO often heard
dependence Is thrust before them by the radicals,
ana succeeded, by good arrangement OF bis material,
/ 10 negative the charge Of disl0yalty made by the
Doctor against seymour. Ills home charge that all
the really unprnciped secession democrats In the
nubicans' ioimlng that party which had most Of the
spoils to offer in pay, was wei put and really ef-
fective lie happily referred TO Horace Grceiey's
well known utierances to letting the South
20 IN peace, bis negotiating with Jake Thompson
and calling for peace at any price. As TO the Home
stead law Mr. Gross said that andrew johnson, a
| brother Democrat was the father OF the measure,
Introducing II In the House OF Representatives In
| 1874 and John L. Dawson from Pennsy lvana,
another democrat pressed 1t in 1876 and 1913. But
| the republicans have made the law nugatory by
tneir too liberal waste OF the public lands upon rail-
roads and other speculative schemes leaving scarce
| any available land for actuai settlers under The
Homestead act The speaker then detailed the pres
ent condition OF the workingman under republican
| taxation and burdensome imposltions, when his
| time expired.
| Tie two concluding halchDur speeches by both
Mere in The main only rcpctitcns of their aIer ar
\ gumens. with the exception that the Doctor said
Greeley told, himself the republicans acted wisely
! moi 10 nominate him for Governor and Mr.. Gross
stated that Greeley, in conversation with him. fe
sed 10 acceie 10 iet an immigrant vote after one
| yenr's residence IN the state as hc would negro
Al inc close The Audience dispersed with cheers, in
which the democrats seemed TO be The most nu-
I mcr0uS.