The New York herald., 1867-04-26

larger interest in its being settled now and settled we'll
than any other man 10 whom am speaking lOn. onl
Unless you put the interest which the Chancellor Of the
Exchequer has In dealing historically with the question
In the balance against the interest feel In II might
temsn calls out Oh, but believe now that you must
settle the question by low line and would recommend
as sonewhs lower than that OF tne rsn oea @
posed that the line should be drawn at f3 rating or "a
rental In speaking this subject two or three weeks
ago said that thought that IL was not necessary II
honorable gentlemen could como TO general conclusion
that we should make light for pound in this matter
principle. removing all that irritation which my
honorable friends near me are relying for getting their
own pure and simple household suffrage and giving
such large and generous franchise TO the inhabitants
Of the towns that In the lifetime will not say
Of the youngest men in the house, but In the
for the extension Of the suffrage in boroughs forget
who II was that said this evening" but some gentleman
which sS sn 1S gets
mixed up In debates-and think the Chancellor
OF the Exchequer highly approves OF it except whom
not for. that party spirit the measure the govern
mont have brought in would have been sup.
port it, and they would have supported i. # It had
been something else. lHear, hear.) Now you are
in favor o. TINS o' which is strong figure o. speech
posed to be enthusiast He has made very enlhusi-
astic speech. but is not long since that he himself
Cranborne) the rcht honorable gentleman ting member
for Huntingdon General Posll and other honorasls
gentlemen, all unanimous favor OF a-$6 rating
dent OF the Poor Law Bosrd speaks terms Of utter
condemnation OF the absuriity OF such proposition
South Lancashire expressed lingering regrot
that the bill disappeared, and come persons
OF what the right honorable gentleman says have spoken
OF him II ne wished 10 have CO franchise when
one who rsc0ecs what last year mus:
honorable gentleman expressed lingering regret that
the plan proposing GO franchise had not
fair discussion. But that was question affecting
single figure, and there was no doubt about it, All that
the right honorable gentleman could have DONE had
have proposed ss Or sl and We might s'h have %
agreed to have settled the borough franchise on
some such basis, and the right honorable s ntle-
m ,mbers have told you that such measure would
have added four hundred thousand five hundred
been n fair and generous exteason (1ear, hear)
There Is nothing in the World 50 offensive TO the
b b. concession brt rhch really t,ns ont to be no con.
cession a, AL and Is great niyortne, in my opnion
that in DEALING oth this gusna the chanceur Of he
Er eQuer has tried 20 dr,d foo,cing erery step f his
predecessor Office merely for tie purpose Of ding
Thing original. and in doing so he has done something
by no mcans rise lHear, hear) have stated
| that am for household safrrago and II
right honorable gentleman would accept that propo.
sition or the amendment Of the honorabe memb,r for
Oldham, ] should not divide the house against IT, |
think that on this particular point the government
ought to yield. Hear hearl The Chancellor OF the
gets he repldiates it. II we suggest mode OF SETTLE
mcn different TO that which he proposes he says do
in the spirit OF party. lHcar.) assure the
house that II the right honorable gentleman the mem.
Der for South Lancashire occupied the Treasury
said against It l should then also have uttered.
have got far beyond party in this matter (Oh, oh)
shall congratulate the Chancellor Of the Exchequer with
al heart II should be his good fortune to settle this
question fr the fifty years broad fouudaiion
and believe that is the wish of the great ma
oriy OF the members this side of the house Cnesrs
aIt 4 That
DO q majority OF gentlemen opposite who believe
that the proposition Of the right honorable gentleman can
be wh II gives % 900 additional votes To Shelf.
field and shuts out 30 600 in Birmingham. know nothing
Al a TO what 70 be the result Of the division
night save not an idea on the subject wish we
could have no dvis0u-(che rsl-and that the govern
would consent 60 shape their bill meet the
lead TO- state With the utmost franknrss ana conscen
tiOusness that have not sad word taken step
with regard 70 the bill but what was p!ornmed BY an
that this supreme hour OF the question II should
he grapplcd with with wisdom and satesnauship and
which belongs hope at lea 1t to all the great statesmen
OF this country. loud cheenl
The CHANCELLOR or THE ExcsEouER who was received
With loud and long continued cheering from the mnis-
cra benches, saidMr. Dodson, Sir, although arc
10 committee on tho bill Tor the representation Of the
On the most important portion OF that measure
although formally called upon to amend the bill
In Of the borough franchise a contrary policy
and counter proposition. (Hcar, hear) The right
s~ Mbs a os ham
PLY and truly described as a hard fast line,
below which no %. ono -. can enjoy tho privilege Of
under which every nhabitan OF house. sub
jcct TO certain conditions, which In harmony with
the habits and manners OF the country, and which
think approved of by the rational dscrim nation or
the people, may possess the franchise Instead OF
dr. awng hard line have said TO all PAYERS or rates
who enfrancused, ave will take care that
YOU shall have an opportunity OF acquiring and enjoying
the right OF voting" These schemes before
tha W mi bn huuAta nf
mems suddenly put uron the table the other night
TO get the scheme they propose, and tho scheme is
by the honorable and learned membar for Exeter. To
our proposition the right honorable gentleman has
offered two main objections, the first OF which Is that
the principle OF rating is newfsnglcd and alien Sir
had thought tina, the principle OF rating which
was contemplated by the manners and customs Of the
country from cnt times and to very great degree
In connection with tue enjoyment OF civil and po-
lticai ghts Il Is recognized BY the common Law and
the ars in which we i've il has bcan
part and portion OF OF the most famous
act Of 1882 Hear, hear) In manv subsequent acts
and Ia many public documents of great anthent city,
this principle now described as alien and newfangIed
has been adopted and sanctioned the basis irpor-
tsnt ARRANGEMENTS. ! was somewhat surprised there
fore 20 hear II spoken OF as newfanaied and alien.
Hear hear But the second objection is that il too
exclusive Sir, that objection Is scarcely consistent
with many observations subsequently made by the
right honorable gentleman, with many infcrcnces no
drew aud many conclusions which we're cheered by
his friends al poipftag fo his nt5, TIE o
RAJ cheers, Nov hnmbiy think thai 10 settling he
basis OF borough franchise the House has not 10
consider what the operation OF the principle cstzb-
lisn may Immediately be-whethcr ii be too excu-
sve or too expansve--but whether Il IL Just
principie-lhearl-and whether IL will in practice
ultimately bring about satisfactory state Of things
Hear such are the objections made 70 our scheme
Of establishing the franchise upon personal pay
mcnt OF rates; but objections have also been offered
to scheme OF the right honorable gentleman, which
is founded upon hard limitation; and the greai obiec-
ton that bard line which the right honorable gentle
man has proposed s that II really offers SETTLE
ment OF the question. Hear, hcar) Although lis
tened with great attention to the speeches made In
support OF H. did hear argument show that
the principle OF adopting a ngure-which may now
assume bc f5--woud ave any promise whatever OF
settlement, that would not be Immediately sought
TO disturbed and agitation Immediately fomented
against II t1earl That IL the point which has been
evadcd throughout this discussion thear) and
Il ~ the most Important point We have to consider.
cannot but consider the amendments that be has placed
upon the paper q party attack because they are not
amendments upon our bill, they counter PROPOSE.