The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-06-13

organic law for any party any sect any class
or interest," but for the people Of the state OF New
apprehended that no member came here with
the view Of using this body for part-
san purposes used ior .nss pu,poss wh,ch
would to crush the inventors might be tnougnt
that without the OF the previous queston aeDates
might become tedious and proiix He did not appre-
bend that There were other rules 70 meet that DIM
Guilty Delegates here for the purpose OF Discus
SION and he did not desire TO see suppresssu, ne
questions He believed the previous question incom-
patble with the dignity and character Of the body. 49,.
,r's "a AIssL rsp o. On %,ubt not be- neces
sary either the United States senate or 10 the STATE
Senate, composed as they were 81 put lew s;,
and he did think the British Parliament goou c'o
rion 70 DO governed by because everybody knew .as
the House Of Commons more like bear garaen nsa
deberatve body He submitted that me RUE ,or the
bouy and 70 the facility for despatching business
Mr. ARCHER, trep.) Of Wayne, stated tnat a. = menu
per OF the Convention OF 1896 ne nad VA
idea that the previous question was unnecessary ana
improper But the majority 10 that convention nssteu
on IL, and II practised and before the convention
closed he obliged 70 admit that in ms oppos,uon 70
IL he was In error. He had found that the practcai
working OF the rule sautaTy and he could Teaay
conceive that in body so large as this might 90 a1so
iutey necessary TO limit DEBATE There was such
thing as exhaustng subject When all had oeen sao
which could be pertnently said on subject was aus
to the people Of the State that debate should be smut
down anc decision come to. II might be that, with
out some such stringent rule, large number OF gente-
men might wish to make speeches TO 60 TO their con-
sttuents, when Il evident 70 the members OF the
Convention that not word could be said which
would influence vote. Therefore, the Committee on
Rules had deemed necessary that the majority Inc was
not now speaking Of political majority OF the members
Of the having the appropriate business OF the
body directly in mind should always have under s con- on
previous question would be retained,
Mr.. LARRExoRE (dem.) thought there was certainly a
great distinction between limiting debate and shutting
Il altogether Unless the privileges OF debate
being abused 1t was proper that every member should
have the right TO give free expression OF his opinion
every question that before the body. If the
privileges OF debate abused then the Convention
could any time limit the time Of debate He there
fore hoped that the motion Of the gentleman from Full
ton mr. smith, would prevail He sorry that that
gentleman had referred to political majortes because
he had nothing in the action OF the convention to
awaken any suspicion Of that kind II the rule for the
previous question were adopted, it would be the first
thing looking towards parsanshp in the proceedings Of
the body.
Mr. ARCHER wished to correct the previous speaker
He had reference to political PARTIES but merely to
the majority Of the body In convention.
Mr. TOWNSEND was aware OF few instances where the
previous question necessary. He thought that the
Convention constituted to remit its adoption,
at least until nearer the close Of the session.
Mr. BROOKS did not believe that this stage OF the
session harsh measure was necessary, did he
believe there was any intention on the part OF the ma
j0rty TO Cypress the minority. He reviewed the nju
effects likely to arise from the adoption of the
question. As 10 the deliberations OF the United
respect to the deliberations Of the British Parliament
subject under discussion in the latter body always
fully and thoroughly debated II the President held the
members to what real discussion Of matter there
would be necessity for the previous question.
Mr. CURTIS thoueht that at the present stage Of the
session would be wiser not TO adopt the previous ques
ton. Later in the season when members would wax
warm and eloquent might be in the interest Of the
Mr. HARRIS had never been in favor Of the previous
question, although it had come TO be rule generally
with deiberative bodies II necessary, IL might be
adopted the future He was opposed 10 its present
Mr. DAILY pointed to the fact that the work which in
reality would be done BY the Convention would not
amount 70 much more than ordinary act OF the Legs
ature Il therefore proper 70 give the widest lat
tude TO debate permit the most thorough discussion
He thought there was NO truth in the preliminary
charges or partsanship He was gratiaed that those
charges had not been followed up BY any partisan acts
He thought There not the necessity for the pre-
vious question which existed In legislative body
Mr.. STRONG said he came TO support any proper
ure, no matter from what source IL emanated. He
party As to the democratic party il was
not because they were opposed 70 amending the const
tuition that opposed the calling OF the Convention The
party had feared that the Convention would too
and that party considerations would have too much Of
influence in deliberations II true that the
WITH party IL power There had been rss
luton, however, for another caucus, and be
was apprehensive that this could be for
the action OF the Convention Such q course, he
contendsd would jsoparze the whole interests Of the
vsnton he was 10 favor Of ordering the previous
question, at ALL BY two-third vote He ssid oe made
tine motion with no idea Of submitting himself any
member of the Convention to be controlled in his vote
by party majority. He had been DESTROYS even that
the delegates from Senatorial districts would cit
together In his view he thought there nothing the
Convention needed than discussion. Il had come
TO know what changes should be made, and in what
order and in what FORM For this reason needed the
ideas Of every man elected 70 the Convention. He
would not sti1e debate. SO far the members Of the
great political parties concerned he had fear Of
The President put the amendment Of Mr.. Strong re-
curing twohrd vote TO consent TO the imposition Of
MI HARMS hoped the appointment would not prevail:
that IL the previous question be adopted should
be employed in the usual manner.
Mr. DEvELIy commended that the amendment was
incongruous with the rest OF the rule.
Several amendments were proposed in quick success.
Mr. Tnprs discussed the two propositions before the
Convention-thc to omit the previous question alto.
gether the other 70 require twothrd vote for Its
motion to postpone the further consideration OF sec
ton Of rule % and pass 70 the consideration Of rule "a
then prevailed.
Another motion deferred the consideration Of rule "a
until after rule ~ had been passed upon.
Rules rs 20 and % were adopted. Rule 2s was mod-
sideration Of a vote to the majority The Limitation to
one day for % doing was also modified.
Ins sHSjeet q 9s previous question came up again
RrLE o. The previous quesuss sha be. 'sha the main
question be put and IL Determined in the Affirmative
no further debate smendmen. shall be in order and the
other matter under consderatoS but when amsnds ns
shall pending the question snail be tQkou
their order and when Amen6nhents shall
have been recommended By the CoumItee Of the Whole
acted by the Conventfou the question shall Be
taken upon such amendments in like order.
Mr.. GKRRT, ldem) Of N. " moved TO strike out rule
o. and TO insert In lieu Of Is the following
The Convention may, any time BY vote OF the ma lori
4. oSs q. ss .su s
sion Of motion or resouton and the resolution TO limit
shall be decided without amendment or debate.
The motion was rejected.
Mr. BcxroRD, rsp) Of Jefferson. moved 10 strike out
rule No. 20.
The vote was taken by yeas and nays and resulted,
yeas 81, nays So, IS follows
YEAs-Messrs Barto. Beadlc Beals, Beckwh Bell Bicx
ford, Brooks, B. A. Brown. Burril Case Cassidy Cham
plain. Cheriiree Chesebro Church. Clinton, Coahan
stock Couger Cooke Corbet Corning Curtis DAILY Deve
Inc. c. Dwight Eddy, Ely Endress, Ferry Fowler Garvin
Gould, Graves Gross, Hale Hardenburgh Harris Hatch
Hickman Hu,chins herman, Kinney. Lsrremore. Law A.
r. Lawrence Livingston, Loew, Lowrev. Masten Mattice
Merwin Miller, Mcneil More, Morris. Murphy Nelson Op.
DYKE paisr = partsr, 9. f Parker Potter. Prosser
Russell. schel schoonmaker Seymour Sylvester Smith
Spencer, Happen. Tidcn, ". !. townsend s. Townsend
yeeder. wakeman Wales, Weed, Wheeler, wickham