New-York tribune., 1867-08-05
GREAT BRITAIN.

socond reading of the Reform bill which had been sent
from the Commons for approval he gave priei anu
clear history of the Reform question IN faameht SINCE
1s9O he did not he sad approach the subject as his Illus
trous predecessor did years In the mdst OF
lar tumult "The question was then no iess ona bIcb %
of social revolution IN this tbe Whole
political power from one portion c od cHo Which com;
peed @ those who proposed that to run counter to
the feelings, wishes and interests OF the great g
of those who had to decide on the question III pVu
Houses of Parliament and particularly In your LoTdsmps
ran counter to the & %Ue o4 had eIcer
actually tsG1 pm5nopoy IN he & representation OF e eope
6dTsST gg sd S B m whatever in Parliament
and that villages now unknown and without population a
at ali furnished statesmen for the nation, ana ana
proceeded to remind his hearers that even that
system had its apOOgsts,, and perhaps :, ite se
perfect that he would have introduced the same system
into new constitution. There one advantage Lora
the present-the demand was general throughout Ihe
country for the whole BIZ and nothing SG ooness ne and
consideration, and he trusted with desire so 10 @
the question in an honest way as 10 destroy nry then
agitation for many years to come lora Derry arn
went through the provisions OF the measure t"nS1 h O
proceeded TO comment ON and condemn he .eIIs VI ' I
amendment OF which Earl Grey had gwen hotlce; ~
amendment proposing the rejection Of the bill however
neXpedent such proposal might De put 70 eee"re .
nent settlement of the question: and yet to vote or Tue
second reading with the view OF amending t tne
tous nteTposon between your lcrdsps and the dis
cussion Of tie measure Hear hear l do not kIS~ SS
amendment but if they have only 70 apologize
to the noble lords behind for the trouble have put
them to bringing them from different parts OF the
wOrd-from Scotland, and Ireland, ana Sthec piaees
Your loTdships will recOect that the Dill Wnich rs cor
demned such strong terms has been passed Win the
unanimous consent OF the House OF Commons All ate nay E
tails settled without dssentient voice Ihe amend
ncst thca goes on 10 aeSe % @ Of the Sueson
and after giving This slap in the face TO the House OF oo
fSts of the measuTe must declare for myself that
think it would be quite inconsistent with the respect
TO send the Oil down 10 committee with such stigma
affixed to IT, Hear hear Your loldshps M nave hsI
comes before yon and you have as deep an I'm ~
your loisps, with all respect not TO stn
tfy yourselves by cOndemnng measure IN the hlst IN,
stance and then sending down to committee marked
with an ouprobrium which the House Of Commons has
right not expect at your lOrdships hands HeaS hel
| aIT amendments which your lordshps may think II
Jccssary 10 propose with The view OF lmpOing me ae
tails Of the bill. which think Is large ana at the same
time Conservative measure, and one which, II u obtains
your 0rdships assent Nlll ioi l1ng 'ne & e - ,ais
factory settlement OF question which, while ~ Iel1ans
unsettled, will be an mpediment TO the progress oi al
Fari Grey then rose TO move the amendment OF which
he had given notice The principal objection 70 the Oil was
which would render the collection OF rates oin small
! householders impossbility He also believed ana
the suffrage would bc given by tins bl 10 th9ushds gu
persons who incompetent 70 appreciate ~ or posi-
bly, IT, He thought that the incomplete manner IN
which the Government had dealt with tho redstubuson
Of seats Justified the expression used In his amend
nent viz, that it could not be- ooled upon as peri"
! ucHt settlement
Tbe Duke of Rutland would not vote for the amend.
ment, but trusted that the evils OF the blH would be
Tcnindied IN committee IL bad come from the Coinons
a n0ktd household sniIago blL He trusted thty rohlG
be able supply IL with securities ana scnd u BACK
10 the Commons decci'hy clothed; -. g.. -. .,..,,
The IaiI CarnaryOu would not y0c Tor the emo
mcut, but would prefer 70 remodel The vi 10 oonin.s &
The ulhlc Lord who t will berecOlected was one Oi the
seeoder from the Derby Cabinet, made violent spoe9n
aggns, the BILL and sarcastic attack upon MI DlsieA'
It's author In referring 10 the ncOnsstenfy OF the Con
seryatlye party N desiring 10 pass SUN ,aI al
said I'VE have broken down the securltyc MihlstiIa
position. We have broken the security Of Ministerial con
sistenoy into anarchy of all principle aud total dc
mOrazaton Of party. II nheDcof0rward IL is 70 be simply
| competition between the two great parties which shall
Outbld the Other-lhear, hearl-what remains OF me
constitution Is 10 longer secure lwshl could iee tnat
fortune is that the evil is not confined to the measure
He must be very bna indeed Mno aoes J Ice Zee
The foundations Of political faith are broken III things
which would have been ncOnceiyable few months ago
are now the subject O canvass aud open debate There
Is nothing ia the constitution that IL is not already
matter OF question. This is a dangerous temper and
has before now the precursor Of revolutions; and
those who east their eyes abroad and see the great temp
may well look with auxety upon the dark aud unknown
country into which Her Mjestys Ministers are leading
Hear, hear You are haLaIdhg penn upon li, q
country Of old traditions where the area OF ton IS limited
and coveted, whose commerce rests upon piee4ilos
dGSins SSG a t@' CONDITIONS Oh "n0'0 '0' 'i' D''"
Earl Granville urged Lord Derby to amend the Reds
trbution bll and the Duke OF Marlborough closed the
debate in speech defending the Government .,
",
by Lord sDaitesbuy who objected TO the scheme that ~
too sudden and too complete change being IN that
respect more Objectionable than r Gadstones a Fran
chise bill II tins bill passed, and when such pro-
position mad been made 1t could not pc reracted II was
hopeless TO look upon as anything b; step tO
ward universal suffrage, Yheb could hardly be resisted
after Mr. Gladstone aud Mr. Disrae had led people TO
gard the franchise, not as trust but as right The
measure he conceived must lead TO lhe supremacy oi
democratic power, and when that time came the Old
IOrds-would hardly be allowed long TO remain and the
present distribution Of property would be called in ques
residence would, in his opinion be insufficient to insure
that the elective power should not pass INTO the hands Of
The ignorant and the reckless He concluded picture Of
results Of passing this measure by declaring his belief
that the tendency Of things the
'. -; rsIA, aud, while lie doubted whether such violent
~ % & r@d mo tor Euggnds benefit, yet IL would be
the duty Of ali to stand by country upgeF any eggn
The Lord Chancellor defended the bin, which he m9in
tanned had been well considered, ana was satisfactory 10
The pnie Of Arcy did hot adopt the gloomy ancipa.
tOns Lord Shaftesbury but he allowed that the D du
tioyernment for any in connection with the meas
ure as their share had been not concession but complete
% S al n to flT o a8cso he
IN he % identical with that propounded bv hfr
be ia Isls yc was then denodnced by the mem
bcrs Of the present Government as democrauc III tLe
The Duksof Richmond yndicated the consistency OF |
the Government IN proposing measure oi reform ue'
nyng that any party had an exclusive rgt 10 deal Win
a subject which affected the whole nation 49,
Iord HOughtOn reOiced that the objects which he had
ION iCg GeSie hat as in the instances o Catholic Eman
cnaton and the Corn Laws Repeal, II should be by tho
ncv of those who had up 10 the last moment been the
Jealous opponents Of such measures He however re-
minded his hearers that ana democratic House
~ Comuons many social questions would be nooted by
which their feelings and their prepossesslons would be
eeected: they must prepare themselves 70 meet such
in n fair and candid spirit, and II they did so ho
Saw no reason 10 apprehend diminuton Of the just in
duence OF that Chamber.
ToId Harrowby could not perceive why the eonse-
oence of Democratic rule should he different IN England
|rn what IL had been in other countries Wnee IL had
nrevaed and therefore the question should DC how TO
extend the suffrage without concentrating al power III
-. of he of the community.