The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1867-09-14
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HENRY NJ WHITNEY.
fun discussion, and free ventilation Of IDEAS. even

ful discussion, and free ventilation Of ie.s even
II they were somewhat crude
Hon. ID. KaIakaua resunei-I think that the idea
suggested by the Hon member from waialua, that
the natives would be induced part with their kuIe
anas - worthy Of attention NATIVES in Iahaina
had been drawn into sale Of lands had planted
cane, and the failure Of certain firm had put them
IN such Position that their lands had been forfeited
for moneys advanced anil they were worse OF than
before I don't think that il would be- possible TO
keep foreigners out Of country II We tried
Two steamers are already engaged in trade between
this port and California One year will perhaps
n railroad between New York aud California. This
viii bring foreigners Some will stop here and invest
others will be lockers on, and in twenty years we
may have more foreigners than natives After ALL
however, OF the opinion that the objections are
not as weghty the arguments in favor Of the pass
age OF the bill II nothing be said against the
principle of reciprocity, shall vote for the bill
Hon. v. Kepoikai wanted to know why only one
kind Of sugar admitted,
His Ex- 5. II. Phillips said our Commissioner had
made the best bargain he could, and as the Hon.
member for Honolulu said yesterday Half loaf is
better than no bread
Hon. " Kepoikai wanted to know what .sDuteh
standard meant?
Hon. s. II. Phillips said he would exhibit n sample
Of sugar Of the grade Of No. II Dutch Standard to
show the members. We unable To get all grades
admitted into the United States, and fos good
Fine grades of sugars taxed by the United States
by excise tax and IL they TO consent to the
admission of fine sugars, from abroad they would
give foreigners advantage their own citizens.
Hon. y. Kepoikai wanted to know what we were
here for If we could not change the treaty.
His Ex- c. de ysrigny said that the House was
called together, under the Constitution, to ratfy
treaty, and If they wanted it they could vote yes-f
not vote We could not alter the treaty.
His Ex- s. H. Phillips begged to place in the hands
Of the officers of the House the samples of No TO- IL
and IL sugars Of the Dutch standard.
Hon. J. Kupau-I have heard a great deal Of talk
about this BILL but the equilibrium Of my mind has
not been disturbed. l shall however avail myself Of
the liberal offer Of the Ministers and take sufficient
time TO think the matter over and talk about it.
Some members have been hasty To pass il others To
oppose it. Those who opposed IL have made lame
attempt have doubts that 1 want to have cleared
up. My doubts would perhaps have been cleared up
if / could know how tie Ministers going make
mp the deficiency. The list Of goods admitted here is
hsrge, and the list into the United States is small.
had hoped that this would be n reciprocity treaty, in
fact, rs it is styled Some members tell shall
have great benefits from this treIty-perhaps 80
We should consider this bill well before, pass it.
do not wish to oppose it. After what have said,
know how TO vote.
Hon L. Kaainoa-I am satisfied with this bill
hut astOnishei that pulu, fungus, wool and
poi not in the treaty. My district Is rich one,
and know shall be greatly benefited by il.
would like to know how the Ministers are going TO
arrange the Some say that this treaty will
put into the hands of the United States don't
believe it. The history Of our Islands will show who
have been friends Our enlightenment is due to
that country. am ready to vote for this bill, and
move its passage its second reading.
Hon. J. W. KerwehunahaIa made long speech in,
which nothing new elcited except the fact that
the Cabinet had long discussions this treaty.
Why did they have doubts. and if they had doubts,
why not let us know what they were, and how they
were dispelled.
His tx. c. de Varigny-I pleased with the
marks Of the Speaker. / satisfied that could
now pass this Bill its second reading; but this is
not our desire, wish to obtain if possible a
imous vote, and hope when the ayes and nays are
called, each will be willing 10 assume portion of
the responsibility by voting aye. was formerly in
doubt, because 1 was comparatively stranger and
not sufficiently acquainted with the business of the
islands The Cabinet had at time doubts, lest
we should imperii relations with other nations.
We did not know but what we should have to impose
to heavy n tax to make up the deficiency After con-
sulting with parties who better versed on the
question, we had our doubts removed One member
wishes know il plantations increased, where IS
the labor frUm; His Alajcstys Government
will do the best they can to meet the nbor question
fairly in fact they making arrangements to
this end. We ask that you show your confidence
in His Majesty and the Government by passing this
bill. Again il Is asked, If plantations doubled,
where Will the land come from? Will not the natives
be dispossessed of lands? answer, 1t Is better
that they should plant their lands with rice, coffee,
sugar, fruits, vegetables and other articles admitted
to the tax question, only that the fact that
new taxes will be levied Is not settled upon. We
wish to shift the burden from shoulder TO the
other, if possible One says the merchant will make
the duty of ten per cent. profit. Competition IN
trade will settle this question The Hon. member
from Waalua fears that the foreigner Will displace
the native in these Islands. The idea of closing the
ports Of nation to prevent the ingress OF foreigners
is exploded. China, with 300,00O,O00 Of inhabit-
ants, has had to yield, and her ports are now open
The foreigner will come, capital viii come, and all
that the Hawaiian has TO do is TO follow in the foot
steps of progress, and lose no time IN doing So DO
not trouble yourselves about protection from the for
eigner. You have the land, King and a Govern
ment /; hold firm to them
Hon. L. AholO-We have been told to take time TO
think this matter and have doubts removed.
I have doubts about the question Of making good
the His Majestys speech tells Us that the
will have TO be increased and we had better
in discussing this bill think of constituents and
whether they will ike the new system Of taxation
Ii it is proper, I would like to have the Ministers
show US what they intend to do about taxation
His Ex. c. de varigny replied that the members
could call for any time after the vote had been
taken or even before.
His Ex $. II. Phillips said that he would say,
he did yesterday that If it the deliberate wish
Of the House to call upon the Ministers for the pro
posed system, they were ready to furnish it.
His Ex. C. de varigny hoped that the members
would first settle the matter Of the bill before
them, before they took hold OF the tax question:
Hon. l. AholO novel that this Committee rise, so
that we can what the Ministers intend TO do
about the revenue. The fate of the bill is settled.
but should like to see the tax bin. do not in
tend to vote against the bill
Hon c. r Bishop thought il better that we should
settle one thing before went to another. We are
sure Of n majority in support of the bill and We have
not attempted TO hurry the bill through. There Is
no doubt but n large majority Of the members are
oft he benefit. tD VI
bill II we ratify the treaty il Is not that the
United States will II they should, the next Legisla-
turs can settle the revenue question We safely
leave the question 10 IT, IL looks 10 premature
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