The New York herald., 1867-03-11

o'eI Win .no view OF treating them as we invite
70 treat tnem fortnight ago would do much thai
waste time. for IL would be TO throw this ques
ton Of reform. which. after ALL is . question .
u would al the same time deprscate to an un
measurable degree the character and the power il
House Hear, hearl The right honorable gentleman
yortn,ghf ago. fasred ~ By feinq rs hoU superior
e referred among others 70 he oss which ~ a. wa,h
ingoD. Now, humbly take leave to say thai 40 propo
sion hdsteen made in nis Hons. during ne four an,
hOeafy years that hdpc been here, Usich has tended
much 10 ADericanse The House Of Commons the chief teg
iativs aseny Of this eosmtry. The proposition oaic
what takes place al washingtons Mr. Seward. and Mr.
Stanton, and other eminent men, the heads OF the de-
uas the Ss 90 OS make
tves or in the Senate The t0o houses discuss and pas
any measure, nsy Tx. and q na nscssa,y mat ne,
certain newspaper has been doing its best lately TO lash
the colleagues OF the right honorable gentleman into
some obedience 70 bis views, and that newspaper said
the right honorable gentleman to stand at the coun
teras II he were In very decorous garb-at Swan and
Edgar's to ask II there was anything you would
like. (Laughter) say, then, that the advice OF the
right honorable member for Cane ought in nv opnion
70 be taken by the House, aud that the government
TO waste time and embarass the question and Shond
bring In distinct and definite bill by this day week
and submit y manfully to the discussion and de.
ci5ton OF Parliament, as done by the right
honorable gentleman mr. Glads.onc) last year
What becomes OF all your arguments against the right
arguments that the plan which he submitted TO the
House was what you called crude aud III dQesledY Yet
was there ever thing submitted to this House by anv
Minister Of the Grown so udicrously crude a. that
tho right honorable gentleman has submitted by the
resolaons no has laid on the table? Did nearly
every speaker see before me say either Of his own in
venton, or as is likely, following the lead Of some
BODY now on the Treasury BENCH did say that the
measure introduced by the right honorable gentleman
the member for South Lancashire, was fragmenary to
tne last degree and that II was out Of the question
they saw everything, And did not the noble lord tho
member ior Kings Lynn, make speech which pre-
beeyaa ed ne o @ having great credut
counter cheers.l But IL It unansuerable il only
came TO this that Parliament would not agree to ccr
precisely that which the House would be likely to agree
TO with regard 10 some other proposition affecting the
general question OF reform Hear hear) WE'LL think
honorable gentlemen opposite must nd themselves In
very curious position You have been kept the dark
we are told until about halfpast two o'clock to day.
not publicly known, but We have heard to night the
proposition which the right honorable gentleman Is Will
Of resolutions which have really almost nothing
h,, to 40 WITH the proposition which he wishes Us
man below me has made some reference,
will not soy to the bill, but to that sketch OF a
bill which the right honorable gentleman has shatowed
FORTH Not knowing what the House will do with re-
gard to the resolutions, whether we shall into
mittee on them not will take the liberty this,
the trst occasion when anything like plan Is before us
OF saying few words with regard TO the provisions OF
the measure which is In prospect Lot ask the
House what is it that wanted by the country or If
the right honorable gentleman (Mr Lowe) makes OBJ
lection to that phrase will diminish Il as far as 10 saw
bv those who really DO ask Parliament 70 grant some
denied by any man-the right honorable gentleman him
self will not deny ithnt meetings have been held at
which many hundreds Of thousands OF persons have
attended. speak OF the aggregate. And is known
to every living fh0 Tie anirersal sympathy of
the working classes in the districts in which those
meetings were held went wita those who addressed
them at those meetings They asked tho House Of Com.
sr pc M
bulk Of them should come In. But multitude OF others
asked that the auchise should bo far lowered that
large portions portion that would kensiby affect tho
borough be admitted The bill
introduced by the government last year which
no could proveto admit about 2o4 900 Of the work.
ing classes They were to be admitted by the abolition
nr NO clause. win q 1nu p NAV
tween f7 and fl0 But assuming As the right honor
aSs Ss aid SS wsS b
NIT 100000 workingmen to the borough fran
chise what is this that the Chancellor Of tho Ex-
he proposes go rating which viii vary according to the
system Of rating which prevails in different boToughs
about he same 3 81 o. s7 ios rental bot ssnsry
Il would vary from 81 up TO El0 Cheers and counter
IN M .s ?. Is ?:
(ChesrA) The right honorable gentleman argues that
Of viii sy no SSp ssne
speaking, persons who are investors In the funds who
direct taxes and an education In
with hisy scheme-that nearly all Of these, and
some Of the savings bank investros must of
necessity and notoriety have votes at present The
that would be admitted are, like his compu
tation Of 1859, founded on nothing better than the
sidersiion Of the house on . question Of admitting
the working classes TO the vote The right honorable
gentleman says he has taken the rating qualification BE-
not the best basis of franchise but the right honorable
gentleman knows II served to overthrow the govern.
ment Il served the purpose OF q minister who now
breaches total absence Of all party sprcheers)-
who proposes rating franchise as thing dchni-
honorable gentleman comes to the county franchise.
does he not accept the vote OF last session. Cheers
After great debate and upon an amendment Of tho right
versity, the House decided, division, in favor OF
Ella qualification for counties. Why had not the night
honorable gentleman the lberality and manliness to
accept this he calls H. accidental vote Of the House
OF Commons, which was favorsbe 10 the county
franchise since no chose 10 accept ~ IN regard TO
boroughs when is influence unfavorabc Ia regard
70 the extension Of the vote The right honorable gentle
man proposes 70 admit one hundred and thirty thousand
new In the boroughs and SO 600 IN the countie
He extends to the counties those most childish quaca.
tons-the savings bank investments TO the amount OF
$50 investments in the funds OF ESQ., and the payment
Of direct taxation Why, under the bill just brought n
ratcatcher who keeps four dogs-tlaushter)-vi pay
direct tax the OF 20s, and OF course he will
come in under the new bill Of the right honorable gen.
cman, which is to saye the country from destruction
~.hp w sey. the p. Of
the right honorable gentleman affecting tho franchise-I
leave out OF view the distribution OF seaswil SETTLE or
do anything to settle, the question before the House.
(Cheers) the right honorable gentleman assumes, and
think the right honorable gentleman the member for
Calns made the same assumption that the House IS
almost unanimous for something and 10 willing 70
accept and pass . Reform bill But there may be
Q great and essential dinerence-d peritosp differ
encs-bstpeeN a Reform bill and REFORM Cheers
never spoke 70 honorable members opposite under any
subterfugs, ~ they know. But tell them honestly
that you permit your Minister TO go as far as this 70
unsettle everything and settle nothing you permit
him 70 do whatever mischief turks these proposals,
and do not lot him 90 further he 10 so disposed you
cripple him in doing act which, twenty years hence,
every man will rejoice there was minister 10 this DAY
70 do Have you read what has been written IN the
public papers universally during the last six months
Have you not heard what has been heard and said At
public meetings Of svory kinds Ironical cheers Why,
there have been moro than one thousand public meet.
inGs held in the country A. every meeting the doors
were open. Every man could come In, whatever has
political opinions might b.. Laughter and cheers
And the unanimous vote of these meenes was In favor
Of something larger and more complete than the propo
sal q the right honorable gentleman And there has
not been single real public meeting which has ssked
for or limited that " would like proposal similar 70
that now submitted 70 the House. am appealing
TO honorable msmbsrs opposite. who arc now In new
position. You are not anti.reformeu now. daughter
and chsers) Ibelieve tho season OF transformation y