The New York herald., 1867-05-24

every person who pays hs rates the faachiss wii 10
rhs CHAsozLLca OF the Excuouxz--rhe honorable
m s 70 aus
made no statement Of the kind referring TO ca line.
(Hesr)
Mr. BsIcur-I did not mean 70 state that the rsh.
meant 20 say that he proposed 10 extend to Scotland
what he called the principle OF this bill and Il was
II Scotland the occupiers are not rated below e. aud
that Therefore take for granted the right honora
begin sps s.i 'ss S g. ssss q
every occaper shove that amount who pays his rates.
II. Aia S sseA 'S q. ssin w
b arranged In Scotland, but Irish members tell me
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ought % have sale saa srsSss r. sas .sss 1s1 n
there twenty nine boroughs which viii be practically
win be very largely extsndsd So We have the principle
Of the bill Of the right honorable gentleman appying-I
iainy to Scotland and certainly also 60 twenty nine
bcr0ughs In England without the enormous and unfor-
@ =: % hn
Now, do not believe that the right honorable gentle
man Or the governments would have proposed this
q hs. ss rssas would os ansd hs
honorable gentlemen opposite In peculiar position
the Chancellor q the Exchsqusr said tho beginning
OF the session that the government-and suppose the
viii nos regard il a humiliation Iwiil assume
may fairly assume with regard probably 70 the great
majority Of yoo-,has IN the whole course you have
Of the most honorable kind with regard TO aims difficult
question II any man taunts you with change during
from unworthy motives, hope, At least hereafter
you may be able TO say you .were the means
temporarily any occasion Of humiliation attach
ing TO i, at least you have noble compensation in
s N aone srss, service 70 the country NOW you
settle this question" (Hear, hear) Weu there are
million voces out Of doors that ask you earnestly settle
it. NOW s the tne Last year you might have settle
settlement G. On, on! and cheers) Of more modeyute
earac and Of that duration that believe 1t would have
lasted almost any ono OF you for his Parliamentary hfe
You refused it. told YOU what would II you did
refuse IT, and IL has (Hear, hear.) Well, now,
which You refuse to do and that IS to make your bill
equal and just to all the boroughs OF the country.
IL you refuse & to 90 Z what 1n will happen with this
20 boroughs and in the Scotch boroughsS-for If any
members for those boroughs think little OF the ITO who
are left out depend upon that the voters and the pop
uation Of the boroughs that let in will forget
them brethren VINO are excluded. (Hear) Why for The
jaed ne soAoye question Of e suffrage, cfMe frcanse,. by
FartidsaeM Of M people, Of Parliamentary reform, iH Be
,cics sa Do MOI noso tnk q ,Oia come up ; IL he en-
Ined m Gsaa'a discussion o. o. srsct question hte ;s Cheers
what you would say II he to make this measure
equal and just; but no knows well az do, he
knows y at this moment, and has known It all along
that he Is subecting you TO further agitation. (s'No
no, and "hear hearty and subjecng the great question
Of Reform 70 . constant movement throughout the
country. Until you make the settlement which now
you to mako you will bs liable just the same in
vsniences and the same difficulties that you have
had during me time when this question has been ap
this matter may be decided either for the
or for my honorable friend the member for Oldham
am perfectly certain that the question OF Parliament
ary Reform, and particularly Of tho extension OF the
impetus from which 1t cannot bo dislodged and
which cannot be stayed-there bo doubt OF that
should &C. wisely, and equally and justly Il this bill
had besn brought In equal and just you would be-
eo WIN 2 ne a which S d
consolation or knowing that when you had voted H. and
!. had become an act OF the Imperial Lesisature we
"a laugh There is longing throughout the nation for
the passing OF good and real bill. (Hear) There has
That have seen presented in favor Of this measure ana
there has not been single public meeting which
with any kind - Of spproba,ion. . Now : Say say
that you, arc mistaken 10 iegslating in that
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for reorm-if have not (cheers and laugh
ter-and say amen. with grief tha. cannot we'll
sure. probably democratic in principle, but
not 20 democratic Ia action your leader (Oh, obn
in manner suicienty democratic but that you are not
j,
useless on occason q IL hes otenmes been in the
appeal 70 the hcaors6s ana JOS fesss ef q. iS Hou:s
that in dealing with millions Of people . subject
deal with them manner which thss great psopis VIA
feel TO be equal and just 70 them (Chees.l
rising received with loud cheers, said IL viii
not dstsn the committee for more than few minutea
. q ss Cn
which We are about to divide. 70 make few remarks
on some Of the speeches Of honorAble gentlemen
who have preceded me. Il alleged, not only
by the honorable member for Bradford but by other
honorable members, that there was some ambiguity in
relating TO compound householder, which would
admit Of conclusion dineTent from that pro-
me extremely necessary, when 50 much Controversy
taking place on the subject Of compound house.
holder and when 80 many smendmcnss % ws,s either
before the House, when we came 10 decision In Ian
guage which could not be mistaken, 30 that the House
gnt be at the trouble OF discussing the question
and arriving a conclusion, and then fad that had
TO . result which none Of us contemplated. II
for this that brought forward the amended
clauses which dealt largely and completely with the
question of compound householder and that placed
called upon to divide That amendment con.aius
the expression e0rdinary occupIer." Our meaning
Il no using s s1ss phrase .s was shis-ws wished sns
ing this question: about which thsre should be
no mistaks, the borough franchise should be
conferred upon individual rated 70 the relief Of the
poor and personally paying his rasss. About the ex
preston ordinary 0ccoper" thought there could be
no mistake and 70 insure that placed the table
the time the enlarged clause respecting the CON-
pound householder with which the committee is
perfectly familiar Well, SIR, after having heard the
prolonged discussion with which havc been favored
retain the opinion strongly thai the right
principle upon which the borough franchise should
be founded isy that Of personal payment Of rates
(hear, hear accompanied, OF course, with adequate
residence But mast say thas the right honorable gen.
tsman the member for Calne, who this evening msde
one OF hsusual attacks upon the appears
" me have completely misunderstood the whole.
principle Of the measure. pfear) For what did the
right honorable gentleman say Ne said, ssYou
for xaTd and In the distinct you make this
proposition that the borough franchise should be con-
fcred upon those who contribute 70 the public fnds
utterly deny the corcctness OF that statement or the
right honorable gentleman No doubt contribution
the pubic FUNDS ID element and important ele-
ment in the construction Of Parliamentary franchise
but / deny that u In the chief element, and IL Is
quite possible 70 conceive that the payment Of
public burdens might be concident with . posi-
iion society winch wound not qualify person
for the sxercisss ~ the franchise.