The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-11-26

Catcn's place and try him In East Tennessee that
aux iousiy considered and on consideration Of by
would not look we'll for the President TO make Judge
70 Try DAVIS o. the Presidents home and 10 own
son before military com mission and 20 the
until. LETT once; mus say that Wax On these
grounds toe principal cause OF the trial Of Davis at
least bel eve vas was to have taksa part in the
prosecution. but with the that II trial
should result Ia conviction l would not constitute
part OF the CAonetor DO an adviser Of the President
Hon. Jeressiah -. Blacks Tessinsny.
Did you prepare, or have any part In the prepare
on OF he message Of the President vet0ing the bill
provide for the more efficient government Of the rebel
between the President and entirely private and
fdental OF them relating 70 the subj indicated
by your question: lido not think you ought 70 nsss upon
The committee after consultation determined to ~
quire the question 10 be snswersd.
thea answer no. II you moan 70 inquire whether any
portion Of the paper suggested by me- whether
any part Of originated with me in form OF expression
O. WIN you examine the printed copy Of the message
now shown you and marked A. and state what parts Of
do so; some Of these expressions were put into
writing by bus nearly the whole II not quite all OF
Them after being submitted 70 the President wero b.
ham. or BY somebody else. very much changed. IL
had written the message, II had carts blanche to
write IT, and the President had sgued what would have
much more Objectionable dooamsns 70 the maj oriiy
In Congress than Isl much moro 10 Violations Of what
now seems TO be tho sentiment In Congress upoa the
subject questionable TO and that class OF people
In this c0untry WHO think do upon constitutional
questions The begnnins OF this psperthat portion of
was Used 81 him Out q material that furnshsd mors
freely and with less alteration than other part But
everything that &rots was Afterwards toned down.
whether BY him or some one else do not know be-
Cause nevor bad any communication with him after
handed over the papsr. have not seen him since.
@ To what point In the message does the rst part Of
which you speak, and which you say has been adopted
by tho President with loss alteration than any other
extendf A None Of II was adopted without any atera-
ton at all II extends until the close Of the anay ss
which IL made Of the law First 1t takes up the preamble
OF the bill and denies that the ground for Il Ia sufficient
In point Of fact rheni anayxes the bill itss and
states the apparent object Of Il That IL the portion Of
IL TO which / refer.
O. on what page does that part Of the message snds
A. II runs down 70 the seventh page.
Q. Can you point out any parts OF the message
which did not originate with you either in substance
form, Yes here Y paragraph which did not orlgi-
guage. Itorignatsd with somebody else canaot tell
you who; presume with the President himself 1t
reduced, in my own language What thought was the
substance OF very long paper into this one paragraph
which you viii and % pages eight and nine commeno
log, "Invasion. insurect;cn and domestic violence
wore anticipated when the government was framed /"
That paragraph 10 reduction OF mine Of disquls,tion
do not think that there Is paragraph 10 ths paper q
printed in the exact language written by me- and
peat that the difference between anything wrote and
anything that found in this message that it 10 all
toned down from much stronger expressions in the
direction into something considerably tame Now you
ask for something did not have anything to do
with The paragraph contained in page nine commence
ing, 'Ths bill passed by Congress time Of peace
and continuing ON the rst break on TO page eleven.
Tho next paragraph, about trial By jury which
partly mine: have weakness for that portion OF the
constitution never did ana suppose VA 80 70 ny
portion Of the constitution without certain amount Of
boiling and Indignation what would have written IN
the shape OF . message If were allowed 70 take my
way would have osen strong in vndica.ion
OF that right; and what did write that subject
suppose was little too srong-.hought suppose to
be and there ia very little or il here what is
here said about tho writ OF habeas corpus and warrant
without arrest is mine; do not think, however there
warrant without arrest IL the fun amcntaDnncpls that
man 10 70 have tho right to trial By jury OF his
y 2 % assgsrded T. MOT mot worth while
pruneila The next paragraph tosthe last. which il
long one IL spliced concern; do not recognize
here and there through it that think must have used
bssns The evils which spring from the unsettled
state q our government VII b. .ckno.lsdgsd
Ting 1t BY adherence 70 the constituticn. or
BY some plaa Of administration which viii be
ssntatves Of the southern states into Congress: that
question about the admission Of the Southern states or
o. members Of Congress nom the southern States is
anything upon the subject sxospt the general right Of
the States 70 be represented
Q Was the argument which you prepared, in your
own estimation paper covering the entire ground Of
veto messsee SUBSTANTIALLY and In what you would re-
gard as the proper form 81 veto message a Is wa,
in any particular form; he wanted me TO put in form
ias ID, TO put in writing-sIprossons which he had
given and in which we perfectly agreed, which did
Tor lnsabS h, this rss paragraph and the paper which
wrote then went on ~ II Il rn,gns nave Deen signed
aud sent 70 ~ message. but there was 10 unas
ing that was 20 he done: it was distinctly
that no was 10 change alter modify il he please
2. This work was done by you on the request OF the
President was ~ A. Yes may say tina, Il was done
at the request OF the President the extent that he
quested H. q You did not volunteer your services
A. No sir v Whom, AZ far as you rscollect did you
nrst converse with the President upon the subjects
treated In The message A. In the fall Of 1850. O.
And when since thenl A. The President aud l. when
these troubles rst broke out, happened coincide in
our opinions exactly approved Of his course. very
fully In the Senate, and he did OF a member Of
the executive administration; had some little con-
versaon at that time, and possibly took little
fancy for one another IN consequence OF agreement
or opinion. saw something OF him again. just before
hs went 10 Tennessee soon after the new inaugu-
ration Of the administration. aud agreed
then After the war broke ont hut
little OF him After he became President did not SEQ
him for shree or -four months and then perhaps would
not have sccn him except or the fact that friend OF
his induced me 10 believe that he would be glad 10
me. lid see him, and in the conversation which We
had spoke only a pahcuestons and or the dar gers
which regarded the country a. exposed to- from Thai
time 10 this We have spoken upon other SUBJ
jsct that know Of am unable 10 recall single
versation between him ana upon any subject but
what related to the public affairs Of the country
sionaly, Of course. We would speak Of men in con-
".
q Have you At any time within the las; two years
had any. conyersato on with the President upon she
question whether Tie Thirty ninth Congress was con-
stitutionai organization mot. A. Never | consid.
cred that closed question with him.
William :. Hiliyer's Testimony.
ny MI EfoHipcs-Q. Did you hear any conversation
~ any time netwesa the President and General Gran, on
the subject OF amnesty or psrdonlng rebels A. was
present al two hours interview about February i.
1896 when there was general discussion OF all matters
pertaining TO lie condition OF the south
". hsf 1esu y0tlr.
self the President ana General Grant, a. near you
can A. u would lie impossible for ~ make any
specific statements Of that conversation; was gem
eral conversation ~ which cannot recall any sps
clue sia'sment made by either the President. General
Grant or myself; had just fsturnsd from trip
through part Of the Sout1.
q Through what part OF the South. A. Through Ala.
hama, Mississippi and Tennessee !.
U What was the occasion OF your visit TO the rresl
dent with General Grant, will ask you were you sp-
plying for an appointment A. Not Vt than tlme
applicant for an appointment, hat that subject
never discussed between the President General Grant
and myself
Y. What va the occasion ? A. viii s,Ac 70 ysu he
history OF "; in the fall or 1886 General Grant made
the South lac az States ofN frnin a