The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-08-05

leagues in the background He did this psrticu-
larry In consequence Of none OF my colleagues answer
ing Immediately the epeech just addressed 10 the House
by the late Secretary Tor inc Colonies ne Ear OF Car
diate answer from member OF the Cabinet n
was because was DESTROYS OF not introducing into the
debate anything Of acrimonious or personal charac
ter and the attack made by noble friend was such
that immediate answer might not have been made in
ter II was ON that ground only that OF my noble
friends did not Immediately reply TO the attack
made ! confess that when my noble friend began
could not help thinking Of lines In Colnss code 70 the
Passions" Probably he recoects the glowing descrp.
ton given in the song OF Hope-how she looked forward
into the future with delight but her song interrupt
cd. ! do not for moment mean TO compare my noble
goes on TO say
And longer had she sung-but. with frown.
He threw b. blood sta,nsd sword in .sundsr down.
- Aud, with whitening look,
Ana drew Sass 50 ssS% ssa sss
We're meier prophetic sounds full. Of woe
"Woe to you, statesmen" says tho noble lord can.
not do justice TO the deep orebodngs misfortune he
anticipates from the course pursued. II shows to what
and manners; because while my noble friend was pour
ing upon us the violence Of his wrath and charging as
with organized Hypocrisy and . reputation Of all
did not imagine that was the language OF sincerely
attached friend. overdowing with the milk Of human
friends who were respected and esteemed beyond
measure, but on whose misdeeds he could not for
noble friend said he felt no bitterness but Il the sxpres
sion OF that speech were the expression Of bitterness
IKE TO- snow Shs
honorable friend the Chancellor OF the Exche.
quer, TO whom l am bound to do the justice
Of saying that we owe the progress and success
Of this measure mainly to the calm endurance the
domitable patience the temper and the perfect nvune
ability TO such attacks those made by my noble friend
loud Cheers) We owe to my right honorable friend the
with which this measure has passed through he
in led
the esteem and support OF opponents without at the
same time alternating the good will Of friends, My noble
friend even went back 70 the period Of 1S46, and
minded the right honorable gentleman of the attacks
which he made upon Sir Robert Peel time Why
recoiect hearing from my noble and learned friend
the woosack that thore parriser who made use OF
this argument Now my lords, have argument
the same way my noble friend in substance remarked,
eff intended to be bitter which won't be- should
conduct OF the right honorable gentleman towards Sir
Robert Peel In 1916 Remembering tho words OF the
Psalmist, ! would rather say LET the righteous
mont which my noble friend has thought dt
to nhict upon me- and only thank my star, 0at after
such erhtJtton Of his friendship am moi likeoie
incur MS hostility daughter God help those wAc
turn however from that poin. to another which .he
noble earl mentioned In the Of his speech He
gave me the credit Of possessing in your lordsh!ps
House q paramount infuence-and In this respect he
did me more than justice-and he attributed It mainly
TO one cause, namely, the very free had made Of
u
such statement had proceeded from a member OF
whig government 1t would not have surprised
created In acknowledgment Of the services and
sacrifices OF the supporters OF the Reform bill OF 1882
humber Of created during the Of hes
present Majesty by the whgs who shocked at the
idea OF creating peerages and by the party
up TO the commencement OF last year. The conserva-
tives created fifteen peeragcs In that PERIOD the
wings created sixty five (hear hear" and laughter;
and yet the noble earl attributes the paramount nlu.
ence which am supposed possess THE House In
consequence OF the lavish way which have advised
the crown to peerages Though the noble lord
made those remarks on the character Of the bill he did
not far to suggest specific amendment and
think that when referring TO the paramount influence
which he was pleased TO attribute TO his House.
he asked whether would permit any amendments
to BIO suggested he could hardly have done me the
honor OF attending TO the observations which made
at the close Of my remarks SAID that fully recog.
nizne your lordships right to deal with the
according to your own discretion and Of justice
would be perfectly ready consider with attention
any suggestion for amendment which might be made
might think il rgh, TO propose of course reervins to
ourselves the right OF deciding whether ought to
adopt it. think after ,ha, frank declaration il was
ton which he put on the point Hear hear) have
only one other observation to trouble your ordshps
with. II has reference TO redistribution The noble
earl asked me yesterday whether l thought tho
| system Of redistribution proposed by the bill
would last five or four years or three or two years.
or even one year. My lords, Il difficult to say how
long any system Of redistribution will last There is
lance Of different towns and effect Of such changes
must De- after certain periods TO rendor redistribution
fairly ask my noble friend what be proposes to do with
the question OF redistribution am ready to consider
any proposal which he may have 10 make but think
II Is bard TO call on the government upset what has
boon done by tho House of Commons merely because
my noble friend does not approve IT, and at this period
tion could be fortunate to hit the precise
point 70 which ho thinks redistribution ought TO be
noble earl proposes-whethsr he proposes to
strike out o number of tho small boroughs, or
TO take more members from borouehs 70 give them 70
DO liked by the House OF Commons. But my noble
friend sheltered himself under the declara
ton that he had no preconceved scheme Earl Granville
dissented Then he had preconcelved scheme, which.
with all it's details and schedules he thinks ought
to send down to the House Of Commons a. this period OF
the session. with q hope OF their adopting It, must
say my lords with reference to this and other matters
referred to in the speeches Of my noble friend that
don't think Is fair make objections to particular
parts OF the bill without saying In what way the sup
posed defects ought DO remeded or taking the Par
liamentary course Of placing the paper notice Of
amendments. Ny lords have to express my satisfac.
ton with the general tone OF the speeches which have
OF Inconsistency which have been eveIed against me
and the other members Of the government In the post
necessary bring forward measure Of reform and such
one as We had reasop 70 beisye would meet with the
general ,cSGiscel:o q .ns House &! Commons Under
taunt which may Be used OF any charge Of inconsistency
which considering the altered position Of affairs may
Snargss am satisfied wth the way in Which The bill has
6eoa received only hope ihat ne k06ls earl who
brought forward the amendment seeing that The
having i IS aRs 'Ss as noble q:
amendment was moved, will now withdraw 10, and allow
the bill 10 DO read second time. loud cheers
The amendment OF Earl Grey was negatived and the
motion for the second reading agreed 10.
Tho EARL DERBY-Tt will be Tor the convenience Of
your Lorfships that should state that, with view OF
allowing time for tho framing Of any amondm ents
which noble lords may be DESTROYS Of submitting, We
propose 10 Ok the committee the bill for Monday
next Hear hear) BY that time trust that notice OF
any amendments which II may DO thought desirable 10
introduce will have been put upon the paper. tChesrs