The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-07-04

question so grave nothing that so closely touched tvs
70 undaons Of republican Institutions III ,,sh, =, .ae
people TO be represented IL No kentucky deIeeatiop
os ,Ss ism - ve proclamation TO the Poop "a
misn states OF the South mat, no matter what .sy
hSu. DO IA carrying out the Reconsuucton law even
they eleed officers OF the federal army as their
representatives would be all in vain 4 ae adverse
Representatives. He begged OF the CHR to use his in
nuence prevent the House from esDshlng any sue
| fatal and unfortunate precedent.
Mr.. EGERsoL contended thai least q prttad fdcie
made out against tb members elect from Ken
lucky. It was alleged that the entire delegation was
with one sxcepton-that Of Mr. Adams-composed OF
mon who coald take the oath under the constitution
ana IN or@er to test the question: that the House might
nave iair vote on T. was simply proposed 10 refer the
credentials to the Committee Elections and let the
| case OF each individual member be examined and in
CURED into any of the delegation found worthy
ported but II any had forfeited their rights represent
constituency the committee would also report and
the member or members so proven TO be-
dlsoyaL He was glad that the House had to
meet this vital question at the Threshold. Here
case TO test the sincerity OF the Union party. IL
undoubtedly true that the patriotic, heroic loyal Union
men OF the country bad saved IL by their herosm
the Held OF battle, and IL was also histora that
had become one OF the dogmas Of the Union party that
loyal men should preserve country maintained and
claimed that il ever New York sent disIoysi member
" this Congress the House had right % refuse to re-
csivs him and 70 send him back to his constituents, II
the House wanted to send encouraging voice TO the
VuiQnss Of the South and work them up and crystal
ze them around the principles OF the Union party they
could not do moro etectnaIyy than by the action
here proposed. But n they admit men to seats
who were charged with aiding and abettng the rebel
lion they ske blow at the Union party II his words
sounded partisan he could not help H. He saw through
the maintenance and continuance In power of the Union
party the glory OF the republic, He saw through the
firm establishment OF the principles Of justice and uni
versa liberty Of the triumph of right OF the downfall Of
wrong He admitted, with the gentleman from New
olution, aud the American revolution had done great
work for humanity This was revolution in favor Of
rights Of man, and be would say let the
revolution 60 on until until these grand principles
mental basis Of the American republic. He would re-
peat the question put Mr. Brooks by the gentleman
from Pennsylvana Mr: scohejdl as TO- whether he
would admit John q. Breckenridge TO Congress IL he
were sent and whether he would think him eligible to
a seat In the House!
Mr. BROOKS would reply by asking question: whether
the gentleman from Illinois mad voted for the admission
Of Mr. Stokes from rennesseef
Mr. INoKRsoLL said he thought ne had voted for him.
Mr.. BROOKS sad-Then you guess what my ans.
| to your question will he
Mr. IseEssoLL said il Breckenridge had as Mr. Stokes
had made atonement for HE st by volun teerng
in the Union army, fighting the side OF the Union
for years, he would support his election to Congress
He wcns on to say that the raising and settling of this
question would do the Union party more good than any
other act Congress- would perform during the session.
He spoke In no spirit OF vndctveness he
all the States into the Union on the prn.
cples Of justice, and he would admit such
came here with conscences void Of offence TO the re-
would say to them that Notwithstanding their people had
constitutional right TO be represented, the House had
also its constitutional right to inquire into such repre-
senation; and il they were found dsloyal would
vndicate> The cause Of the republic by sending them
| TO their constituents
Mr. Il do propose to protract this discus
sion wish to draw the whole question TO a conclusion
and vote 1t seems to me that that which have pro-
posed plain and unprotracted The persons claiming
to be members elect from the State of Kentucky being
called that the oath might be administered TO them and
that they might take their in the House, havc
presented 10 the House protest in the one
them, which protest charges. among many other things
| be member elect who thus presents himself to be
sworn in IS pubic enemy or has been pubic enemy
thai lie occupies very different position no that he
has been aiding and abatng the late rebellion and actu.
ally parti ipatrd In 1t RS a commander of rebels
rading against the lives and properly OF Union men in
the State Of Kentucky Along with that protest. pre-
stage that could be presented-sustanng this charge
and OH this state of facts ask that this shall not
rest us here shall stand aside until these charges
shall be- with his credentials referred to the Committee
on Elections 70 investigate and report as 70 the fact
Committee shall have power TO send for persons and
papers in order the better to mako that nvcstga.
| ton. The gentleman from New York MR. Brooks)
| and others claim that though should come here
black with treason, and should present to the House his
certificate ne must be admitted on SUCH presentation
II the gentleman has proved anything at all by his
argument and illustrations, IL would disable us here
from refusing the oath Jefferson Davis himself II he
here with the certificate Of election You
will not get the gentleman to say whether he would vote
such circumstances He viii no, say II in reference to
John C. breckenridge; no will not say it probably in
reference to any traitor understand that BECAUSE
] known the gentleman belongs 10 a party which
does not distinguish between the who have sus-
tanned the government In the time OF trial. when rebel
lion was rampant over the land from those who we're
seeking TO destroy the country and overthrow the gov
ernmcnt aud ,rample on the flag OF the Union: who
belongs 10 party which makcssno distinction betyesn
the state Of New York, which did not as an organzed
community and as one OF the Union, 70 into rebellion
ana geek 70 draw herself cut of connection with tho
other states aud state which went red-hsnied into
The be.lon In her whole character as a stale an or
gained people ana as indyidnas He belongs to party
which has not discovered even that there Ina hce5
war, you may judge from their personal documents
and the sort OF argument which all these subjects
they present 10 the country II is true as he saws that
we are 10 the midst os revolution: but when did no
discover ny Not when red handed rebels were irving
TO destroy the country; but when that IA ali over ana
undertaking settle the foundations Of he COW
ernment then he discovers that because some OF our
remsdies are i,'ic sharp We are in the midst Of a
revoution wish that he and those who are acting
with him HAD discovered that some years ago and ihen
perhaps instead of sympa,hizng with the rebels and
cal help, should have had them in With the res, Of
the loyal people OF the country, and should have
do not WONDER however that We hear such obocllon.
coming from such quarter; bnt IL You reiuce ali
shese oces,ons and al these arguments to their simple
eementt they amount simply TO ths-That thi, House
shall declare that no matter how patent NAV have been
the treason OF participation in the rebellion OF any one
who comes here with the certificate Of election we
are bound 10 admit them and nauro lnio ths
matter only afterwards. present that The
practical question Is that here prina facis ca &c made
out. The House is not asked to declare thai John o.
Young Is not entitled TO seat here but IL IL ask I'D on
this showing that he should not DO permitted now 10
ake The OATH but shall stand back until some inquiry A
made into the trutbfulness OF this question or until
report made 70 the House that can Determine The
question ultimately and finally.
Mr. BEyAm offered as an amendment 10 Mr.
Schencks resolution an additional clause referrns the
credenas Of Up Knott from the Third Congregational
dietrcs OF Kentucky TO the Committee on Eleciona
Mr. PAINE rep) OF Wis offered a similar amendment
10 reference TO the cases Of l. g. Trimbls aud y a.
brown IN referencs TO the latter be the Clerks
aesk ana nsd read letter written by him to the Louis
vile Courier 10 1851. correcting statement published
by that paper and stating thai the language used by
him was this - -
Not dollar win Kentucky furnish I,ueoln IN
aid him In bis unhoy war against the South RI The North
ern army shall attempt TO borders will resist
70 the death, and any man shall be found la our Cou
70 volunteer 70 join Them he ought TO- and De-
ieve viii, be shot down before he leaves the State
Mr.. Pyrs, (repl Of No., suggested that Mr. LOGAN
modify bis substitute by excepting the mama ar cas-.