Nashville union and dispatch. [volume] (Nashville, Tenn.) 1866-1868, 1867-09-20
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IRISH RIGHTS AND WRONGS.
COIIOquy Between Member of Par
Lament and am Irish WRiter-Them "a.
p. OutwItted by the FeniRn-GeOrge
Francis Train the Umpire.


gent and ready George Francis Train, who
is considerable of a Fenian, together with
his other varied accomplishments. While
dining together at the hotel on Mt Wash
ington Mr. Trains enthusiastic defense Of
Ireland and Irishmen, against the despotic
and unchristian legislation Of England,
warmed Mr.. Cave up into an attack upon.
the Fenian Brotherhood, saying that they
had accomplished nothing. Thereupon
the following colloquy ensued, as detailed
by the Utica, Observer:
Mr.. Train-Nothing Is it nothing to
make England send one hundred thousand
men and a score of war-ships to the Irish
coast ? Is it nothing to tear down the
Hyde Park railing and settle the question
Of opening the Crown Park to the people2
Is it nothing to force the Tory party into
giving million more voters to the King
dom?
Mr. Cave-But you surely don't give the
Fenians credit for all these acts
Mr.. Train-Most certainly / do. The
Fenians have already inserted the wedge
that will give them the nationality Of
Ireland. The next step is to abolish the
Church, and then the State This is the
Fenian programme.
Mr.. Caye-I wish to do Ireland justice,
bat how What is to be done2 How, in
the existing state Of things, bring it about
The Irish are not sufficiently advanced to
do it themselves.
Mr.. Train-I don't know about that
They are usually leaders in foreign lands
why not rule their own Witness ODon-
nell, Chief Of Spain Mcmahon, hero of
the Ticino; Duke of Magenta, of France
Nugent Field Marshal of Austria; OHig-
gin, Liberator Of Chill; Montgomery, who
fell at Quebec, and the hundred Irish he-
roes that helped in forcing American ma
tionality from George the Third You
forget, Mr.. Cave, that Englands chieftains
were mostly Irish, who gained your battles
when on your side, and lost you FOntenoy
when they went against your flag. Field
Marshal Wellington was an Irishman, and
the man who ruled you half a century, and
sold England to Louis Napoleon, Lord
Palmerston, was son of the poor Irish
woman, Mary Gee. But here are plenty of
Irish waiters-suppose you call the first
one up, and test his intelligence.
Mr.. Cave said the, only way to get posted
was to talk with all classes, and 60 to the
fountain-hesd and at once open fire on
the Fenian.
Mr. Cave 90 the Fenian) Mr.. Train.
has Just told you that as an English mem
Der of Parliament, am DESTROYS of inves-
tigating the Irish question, and doing what
] can to bring about some amicabe settle
ment First, what do the Fenians really
want?
Fenian-The repeal Of the Union.
Mr.. Train--There you have the solution
in a nutshell, and properly answered, too.
Mr.. Cave-But how bring it about?
Fenian-As OConnell wanted, by petit
Gon OF the Peopie; 'oiheTEise By tisess8sti
Of the Fenians.
Mr.. Cave-But are you capable Of gov
erning yourselves?
Fenian-Try us and see Have we not
| done something toward governing Eng
| land ? Are not Irishmen the leaders of the
| Austrian Parliament? Who was Gavin
Duffy Are not Irishmen equally promi-
nent in Canada Is not Thomas DARCY
Magee (d-n him. one of your members ?
Mr.. Cave-Admit it but if you all emf
CRATE you will have nobody left to rule.
/ Have you not hundred Irish members Of
Parliament to look after Irish interests?
Fenian-Y Yes, sir but the moment an
| Irish member comes within your English
atmosphere Of clubs and fashion, he goes
| over bodily to the enemy, and his represen-
tation Of ireland becomes a by-word and
farce English money and English pat
ronage, next the sword, are the weapons
| England has used to destroy ireland.
Mr.. Cave-But you only make things
worse by your futile attempts at invasion.
| Look st the civil war here, a similar case; ;
| the South failed-so must Ireland
Fenian-The two cases are not alike.
Here we had but one nation; there we
have two. Here the South rebelled against
government they helped to make; there
| Ireland was a separate nationality, and
never acknowledged her conquerors.
| Mr. Cave-How many Fenians are
| there2
| Fenian-Seventeen millions in Ireland,
and scattered over the world. Wherever
there is a true Irish heart, he will live and
| die Fenian Love Of country and love
| of kindred never die in the Irish memory.
| The Fenians are everywhere. There are
more Irish in London than IN Dublin.
Mr. Cave-But the Brotherhood is all
split up. They are now two parties, and
| the chiefs are always quarrellng.
| Feniau-What care we for the quarrels
Of the O'Mahony men and the Roberts
men 1t helps to advertise the Brother
hood Mr.. Train says the word Fenian is
mentioned almost as often as the word
negro. Our plan now is to have every
Circle keep its own funds. Hence we
have a thousand Circles thousand Cen
terz-a thousand organizations paying in
their ten cents or quarter of dollar all
over the land, and Mr.. Train says a million
Of Irish votes some day can demand the
payment Of the Alabama claims and Irish
nationality. We work and wait Time
will settle the question.
Mr.. Trsin-What do You say now, Mr.
Cave, othe question Of intelligence? That
man is common waiter, yet is repre-,
sentative Irishman. Two hundred thou
sand such fell on the field of battle, fight
ing for the Union, yet the Radicals still
| call them id lrishmen.