The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-11-26

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substance OF what said was in that speech.
where did you mako that speechs A In tbs city
Q. A. what placer A Al Masonic Hall, 9th Fsorua-
" 9 Have you copy Of that spsecAs A. Ihavs it in
Can you furnish copy or that speech to the com.
maseer think can
General Grant said 70 the President that Intended
20 make = the spsechf Give ~ now a. much OF that
you and yes Conversation occurring pears
so between three parties aud 70 which my attention
has nos bssa called since cannot rscolsct; really
cannot now ndividualxe any remarks that made
on the occasion
q You say that the President desired you should In
corporats In the speech what you then sadf Now,
what was that A / would like very much 70 be per-
mitsso 70 look a that speech: have made several
speechss SINCE that speech in favor or tho policy Of
the President applied the condition Of tho SOUTH
and my observation OF things the southas sustaining
=. policy. W" speech Of soms eighteen or twenty
By the CHARxAs--And expressed approval or disap.
grsss in my speech; took this posten-I rsCoIIsct
very distinctly now-whch was my then mprdssi
s Nos snS ne popular s q
msn&s Of the Nsrh thas my then impression, and
sscE that IN my .nd ~ n. SoS
that ths Prssdsns represented, ia nv judgment the
%is.:prssssssa ;hs ssssissAss x the pss1s q the
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the majority a tss people Of the North. ~
L. ss:cscs = sh. 7. rs:s::s e ss policy e
8 kss.rs,s.s u Is Wi Of coasrssss A Regard.
. Sss q sn - C @ OF the VIII o.
By M Wnn1H-Whas par. OF Csasrsss do you rs-
Ter tos that part representing me States which was
BY TIE .a.nxA.-Did you express shsi opinion IL
e u : yoss 3
o. tho Presdent's power under the Constitstonf 4
spoke o. Is . what regarded to be the s:ntimsat q
publican party. = thea stated. and In my speech.
O. You ssem 70 have found OUT have bees mistaken
was mistaken q ~ opinion Of sAs ssns%sa of sSs
party y that time
q state now precisely what you stated IN that CON.
repeat In that speech A. n could look Il that
speech could recall sgreat deal which DO nos now
aid not know that called here 10 testify 70 tbs
me; Il is impossible for to rscosct conversation
which took place two years ago.
O would Ike to have As much you can recoilsss
o. II; you viii have an opportunity OF correcting your
after this conversation and an embodiment Of ny
recollection Of the points that wore made In the con-
O. Allow mo, then, 70 ask you shs question. you do
not recollect sufficiently IS to make specnc state
ment did General Grant express to the President biz
views - to the question Of the amnesty which the
President should grant, and did the President express
his views on tina. question: A. could not state
whether In that conversation General Grant individually
expressed opinion the subject Of amnesty aot:
cannot now remember any specific statement made BY
either party the conversation Of two hours durs-
ton and there was ontre harmony between the party:
and the speech which made was intended 20 be in har
mony With tns ysws Of al parties present; IL had
tme or II had any idea or what would be examined
on might DO able 70 recall points OF CONVEX
sataon bu! now i! is In my mind as general CONVEX
sation, aud do no. remember any specific remarks
made By any one; II could refer TO my speech could
recoect everything said myself s..
By Mr.. NAasHALL--Q II understand you, you called
tho President the suggestion OF General Grants
am not sure whether suggested II or he did SO; but
jet; first had . conversation alone and then. At
either his suggestion or mine. We went 10 talk TO the
by Mr.. ELDnoes-Q. You expressed the views 70
General Grast that you Afterwards expressed to the
President. in substsnces A. Yes
something that said shsrei A. BY references my
speech can tell the points made myself IN the con-
O. Can you tell those to which the President gavs his
assentr A. He asseRssd 70 al those propositions made
O. he, and Gensrs, Grant, and yourseiff 4. Yea
Q There was no discordf A There was dscosd
BY Mr.. WnIiAnd-Q II understand you correctly,
IN accordancs with The wishes or the Prssdsns vhs
was DESTROYS you should make the same statements
that you made In the south and 70 hmf A. Yes; h
quest was that should bear public testimony sup
posed was 20 before committee then in session;
had previously received make in New York, and
OF which ! had acquainted General Grant, who men,
toned 1t to the President.
q. Was that communication male by General Grant
or by yoursellS A. In the conversation the President
asked ne % bear pablo testimony to what had said
make speech in New York and e a. g - ~
O. Andyou stated TO The r.,ssn s ~ y v sned
,s.snsd u .ns s'a hat the Prssidsnt rsprosenssd
N the North, and that Congress
@ IhsRyop wsre expected 10 bear testimony on that
point at the iaSsting in New York; A That was the
pont1 stated In the Conversation and was asked 10
state the safne
Q. 1t was one Of the things which the President sr
pectsd you TO state 20 the neetiuef A. II one Of
the things had stated 10 him. and he asked me 10 state
what had stated to him.
Q. And at the meeting you stated that the President
represented the majority Of the people of the Norsh
and that Congress did nots A. Yes: IN my opinion.
Q. Aud YOU further stated that this matter be-
longing 10 the President and be arranged with
ont the will OF Congress A. No
Q What did you say, then, in regard 70 the win Of
congress A. That in my opinion the President repre-
scented ro popular will opinion or the North ana
that Congress misrepesonted the popular win; and
that when the voIcs OF the people OF the North were
fairly represented, the opinion and action or Congress-
would be IN accordance with the views OF the President
q You stated IN one u your answers that this mat
or the will Of Congresss A. don't know stated that
v Were not the sentiments described BY yourself a.
uttered ny yourself ia speech At New York uttered
in conformity With the wishes Of the President A.
stated there what Satsd here rhe President desired
Gon
q Did zen anything your speech not authorized
sS wv T sy ass 9aIs s ss as:
may have used deauncatory language t0
Y ! nesa 70 Substance! A.. The Substance Of the
spssch was the substance Of that cenvsrsatioe.
Y. And the ponis made, A. Yes sa
Y And wst il, As you understand, q sriiss accord
With The sentiments. OF the President expressed 10
YOU Ia that conversion A. There disent in the
party. ~ q
Hr. EipEDes suggest the gentleman he allowed 10
refer % lie speech to refresh his memory.
by Mt rAsssALl-Q Was II not entirely n accord
VIII he views ~ General Gr1nis a. General Grant
was present out cannot make sny statement thas
vas male by GeneT. Grant that occsson except the
one rsicr 70 in making the speech; only remenbsr
lac fact that there entire harmony Ia the party,
and exceptions taken 10 any propositions aid down.
20 ny best recollection; but 10 any positive assent or
dissent do remember
By NJ. WtiIANs-Q Be good enough 10 sav is not j
General GTsnt q very silent, reserved man. who talks
very little' Thasis his reputation, and iust one.
q Did he lake anv isgs shsre in ths convsrsstion to
which yOu rsierf A. Yes he Joined 10 the copvsrsa
ton. The conversation general one IN which
questions we're asked and answers givcr
" Vas your speech read BY the President after 10
delivery A. think he % stated 10 me, slthcugh am
nos positive shout that. MHENK
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