New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1867-11-25

IS now. 80,
charged with executing number OF North Carolina ref
1gees VINO We're 0apIuHto Win gafPSnd one there
to egade the Rebel CONSUMPTION or 1t may be had deserted
quite number Of them executed Pickett was III com
nand al me tine ana good deal v as ssiG az 10 ms nav
Rebel ohcerand served IN the held He Gen Grant mad
mot heard OF HIM much IN the field. but he was on the
jones River when Mcclellan was in command.
q. did you ever advise the pardon OF Gen. Leei A.
throu.h me, and forwarded il to the President as
tproyet do not recolec having had any conversation
with President that subject think it probable
that recommended the pardon OF Gen. Johnston nne,
dately after the surrender Of his army, account OF
the address ne delivered 10 IT, which considered III good
tone aud spirit recolect speaking Of that, and saying
that should DE glad II Gen. Johnston received his par
don on account Of the manly manner IN winch he al
By he ChairDa,,-I supposed his pardon would have
good effect do not remember that spoke to the Seere
X, 5ir Tldrdge-I remember going at one time, to
The President with Gen Hyer but y was elauNe TO an
appointment he lHyer wanted Go not reeollect that
She conversation went beyond the range OF stating what
knew about lilyer; think met Hlyer once or twice
erward when the President present but have no
recollection Of any conversation with the President on
The subject Of general amnesty or on the subject Of am
esty at all have never recommended general amnesty
ard never was III favor Of it, until the time shall come
whom IL - safe to give IL.
Bg Mr. Williams@I do not recollect having had any
conversation on the subject OF universal amnesty,
coult not have recommended such thing because
never IN favor Of II until the time shall come When
Us safe. go .
two points In the Proclamation, but that his views after
ward changed state when the P,esldeh d mind r
hard reckon 10 f0 A. but ii was along in the Summer
Sorth Carolina Proclamation Of May 90
By lir ToodJgidgs~When Tsaid that the Presidents
views underwent change meant that while was con
tending for the zhs when those Rebel paTOled soldiers
had he insisting that they should be punished
By llr. ElGrtdge-Any correspondence ever 1aa WIN
che President official, and he furnished had TO
n t Idegu,io il be only Observation-Disclosures that
could have lad OH the subject OF amnesty was Mnen
and others of a Of Which kept copies will furnish
them recollect the North Carolina proclamation Whcn
.sr
when read. and % was IN the direction Waheui
was anxious To temporary government there, ana
@ Did Won give any op.uon in favor Of that PROPOSE
favor Of that or Anything else which looked civil
Vnnneut uuth Congress cOuia meet ana esJDilSh NoN,
ernment there; did not want all chaos eit there ana
OF anything opposed to anything partcular{
was simply iu favor o. having government there; ana
nor pretend TO give my Judgment as TO what should beg
was perfectly willing 20 leave 10 70 the civil department.
asked 10 person What should DO IN my duties was
willing 20 take all the responsibility ana a9 hot ~ant 10
give my views A. 10 what the civil branch OF the Govern
some of those Governors were military officers, and
h. rank DID the 4 -nyl A. That was during the Rebel
and CEN H,nto, "a. Ia as DO not recolect that there
were ;'iv other Military Governors. Inc others We're
PROVISIONAL Military Governors. looked upon them
B, ift qt1nds-( You have stated your opinion as ITO
The rights aaG privileges Of Gen Lee anu ms sodsIs
Iave Explained tla ld not There was no difference
OF opinion On his point he[weeh FesIeTt IoC tI
me, bur there was D, 90 WLe'Aef Ine paIoe gave '0
ANY privileges on rights. .
YOU ny t s ft' fidf he Ginning that the must
come WHOM they could De- tlied and puhshe ana ealn
ing a tine time would not come, except by violation o
Their parole ! claimed That gave them no POLITICAL
privileges, but that had night as military comnah1ed
dives OF ose prisoners IDeleve thar It is conceded by
everybody that had that right know that MI Lincoln
Iy Iir Boat,rcY o Row recently has the President
Expressed 10 you the opinion that Gen Lee or others who
dad the benefit parole shoald be tried and punshcdI
Have y M , time heard the President make any
remark in reference 90 the admission o. members o COT
from fhe Rebei Stars mo ellhSI IVISGi "a.
cannot say positively what nave Ht.'l4 mn sl9
en- that subject Ihave heard HIM say as much perhaps
him say at upon tna subject have heard him say
ana, think Ia heard lm say Wlfe III ms speenes,
that II the North carried the elections by members
,Tiy would tcy not be the Congress OF the United
stafssl i have heard him say that several times.
~ lir. WAiqB's-l When you say the Norlh you
mean he Democratic party Of North or IN other words
Tic party tavoriur his polcyi \. mean If the North
earned enough members IN favor OF the admission OF the
them as a Congress ! merely heard him ASH the ques
ton Why would they not be the Congress- lheard
him say that ia OF two speeches. do not TecoAecl
whore --.. -, H., -
mark kindred 10 that esevhercl A. Yes have heard
him say that aside from his speeches-ln conVersaoh
Cannot say jnst when II was probably ABOUT th same
o. Have you heard him at any time make any remark
or suggestion concerning the legality Of Congress. with
she southern members excluded A. He alluded to that
an6ect frequently on his tour TO Chicago and oack last
Summer. His speeches were generally reported win
considerable accuracy cannot reeoeo Tna' ~ ~, te
cept IN general terms but read MS SPEECHES AT le
end they were reported with considerable accuracy /
90 D
that subject specially never heard nm aIiuqe 70 lo
Executive 'Drpartmcnt OF the Government never
heard him any remark looking " the controversy
between the Executive ana congress
By Mr. Marshau-Q. understand you 70 say that you
very at the close % the war that cV gov
ernmeuts should established IN some form and you 80
advised the PRESIDENT a SO stated IIeqely y, No
presence but advised no particular form OF piococuluB
O. We're Won urcsent wien this North Carolina pro
Of opinion that the hrst time head II teao
was presence OF the President and the Secretary OF
c. Did you assent to that plant A. did not dissent
from IL; civil matter and althoush Wasa nAOus
Ia nave something done, did not intend 20 dictate
Milan: do not think expressed any opinion ABOUT IL at
Inc time; looked upon II as simply temporary meas
tiou and that IL much difference how II was
done. thatthere was form OF government there
the President the Secretary OF War; suppose was
free 20 express my views suppose the OBJECT was tbdt
should express my views II could suggest any change
/ do not think Was asked my yle@si KNOW thlt II
had been asked the question, would nave assehteu
that almost anything else IhaI WoutH nav E1r'
stable Government there; IN reference 70 tne OpIVH
gave the President the Amnesty proclamation thnk
have testified pretty fully; told the PRESIDENT 9lsa
greed with MIN on the clauses e1cu1hg Holu1eeI SSn
erals aud as TO the $4,000 clause; do not say anything
a. TO the of it, whether II was 700 leleht OF 700
gent state what th0ug1L ABOUT IT, ,, DaI
moi what i said about it, / know tnat lrne-
diatclv after the close OF the keDeluOn lHerS
was very fine feeling manifested IN the S0uth' ana
fboucht we Ougbt 10 take advantage OF az pos
sble but that there has been an evident cnange
there may have expressed views to the President
i do not rec0lect particularly do not suppose that
There were any persons engaged In that consultation VINO
thought what being done at that time a penny
and either rattfy that or establish some
other form ri government Know now ~
never crossed mind that what was Delng zone was
anything more than temporary. understood thls 70 ne
lid view OF the President and OF everybody else Gd
not know OF any difference OF opinion on tnq suyU' NJ
was very 70 have Congress raty hs views III
Lincoln prior his Assassination had lhausu Polu
intended those governments. was present sem
once before his murder when pan Was feSu Inc Pai
adopted by Mr. johnson substantially the plan wIich