New-York tribune., 1867-07-17

Mr.. AXTELL (Rep, Clinton) thought the amendment
OF the gentleman from Kings Murphyl premature since
there has yet been anything settled upon TO be sub
mitted. He opposed that amendment tUSt Because ne
forever If the members the Convention of all parties
shall to-day strike the disqualification of color from the
ton say that they desire that this question shall be put
Of the political issues of the day, and If they are
at rest separate submission will tend to confuse
the whole matter. The simple question before the Con
The vote of the gentleman from Kings together with that
people who accepted the Constitution Of 1896 set
this question with the undemoeratic doctrine OF prop
erty qualification SOFT Will be when they 20 Del2Is tne
people; they will cry out that the Republicans are intend
Ing to force doctrine upon the country Trying 10
admit negroes to political and social equay nc oP
posed separate submission secondly because ne thOught
that equal rights could be best secured Tor te negro y
embodyg the principle in the Constitution itself lie pro-
posed 10 settle this matter on the great general
equal rights as opposed preudices in regard to color
and property 1t may be principle oi nGnoI OH % Se Pl @
of the Republican parylet 1t be so admtted inc ge
teman Rensselaer, Seymour, said he would oppose
any new Constitution sooner tah take @ hSay NV @ 1e rnnd
the rights Of another class ought TO be as sacfed re-
this party question II there were any party about ~
the part OF those who were making party sahd
on me platform 81 property gnSSa!Gn a dNe il was
good maxim in war to do nothing which your enemies
want you do; and the opposition very evidently desire
separate submission in order to defeat negro suffrage
For these reasons he should oppose the pending amend
ments. He trusted that the Convention would frame
Constitution wise and good that the opposition would
be compelled to forego their peludces against the negro
mT. ~ ,D
speakers had overlooked the fact that the Convention has
no legislative powers The people had sent delegates
become obnoxious TO the majority, which amendments
be submitted 10 themselves for final adjudication
will for client who had previously had two Wis drawn
up, in both Of which bequest was inserted which ms
time inserted in the body Of the will
Mr.. SMITH Rep. Fuon) asked whether the gentle
man as lawyer would present bill and eodeh at the
Mr. GERRY said it would depend upon whether the
regSrd to It. He referred TO the law under which the
Convention called TO show that separate snbns-
sian Of questions contemplated. There was no
single question OF paramount significance this Of
negro suffrage But It Is claimed that the opinions Of the
people have changed since the last submission OF this
question made IL this were so, there could be no
question TO the result of such submission But IL
u grave question from the fact that the people nave
twice declared against It, and there are serious donDts
IN his mind as to the decision they would give today
CONSTITUTION by the insertion of of doubtful issue
Unquestionaby great changes would be made IN regard
TO the government cities, &c. and blow would De
struck at corruption throughout the state ana base men
would take advantage OF ,he insertion OF negro snhsg &
been spoken of but he denied that there was single
question of political nature except ts one concerning
the negro that had arisen, would probably arse lie
found gentlemen Of both parties taking opposite sldes OH
all the touched & % from OF Res
laer NOwnsend upon his party he proceeded 10 quote
from the ancient laws OF soe @ % tS
laws OF 1868 providing that the progeny 0i wmes
and blacks should be sold into Slavery outside OF tne
state From this claimed that Massachusetts set the
Southern Democracy the example OF mscegenatlon
There seemed 10 him to be valid reason Tor refusing 10
submit this question to the people who had already
previous occasions expressed their Opinions very
Mr. HALE Rep, Essex was opposed to the amend.
ment the gentleman from Kings iurphy because II
stitntion itself He thought this an awkward and i'm
practicable way of putting it, He was opposed to IT,
favor OF the old Constitution whereas he would exactly
the order of things and throw the burden upon
those who hold that the old property quancatiOn sh0uu
he retained The majority OF the Convention were Op
posed TO retaining any sucn restriction upon the right OF
Sas asythns to submit He was in favor Of separate
submission. He did not agree with the distinguished
people would necessarily vote down a Constitution
accompanied by separate submissions He Thought me
people were able to distinguish between WHAT WAS ue
srable and what was not. They should be enabled 10
meet this question Of age age s9nars afG & f
votes from apathy II this were separately submitted
emily suggest. One objection was made which he did not
understand. IL was claimed that separate SUBMISSION
to g simply usi and hottest as well the only
honorable 1t declared again TO be an insult To
tn he he case VI He did not think the question
natural or confessed rights OF suffrage had any
proposed l by Mr. Axteli Mr Hand said he would state
that thought the people were absoyed from an eonsd
Grafton OF the question 10 the capaby OF the negro
TO vote ntelgeny. This had been decided long ago Dy
the people when they gave the negro the franchise sub
Mr. ~ BECKWITH Gep Clintonl asked whether the
gentleman believed the property quancaoh 10 De fght
Mr. HALE said that 1t had nothing TO do with the point
at issue, but personally he thought II TO De wrong ,
man be in favor VI submitting wrong 10 the people
Mr. HALE said the question came before the people in
any event. and whether IT OF right OF wrong the al
Indication belonged to them. The people were TO vote
hrrtofore enjoyed by them 1t belonged exclusively
to who called Oh to give up privilege TO de-
MI Mr. ANDREWS Rep., onondaga) understood the gen
foman 10 that when body OF electors are called
rights, they alone 10 be con-
suited in the matter he therefore asked II wnen III ls
whether the goes themselves had not d that time the
ri ght TO vote alone upon that exclusion ,,-,.
% in is9i who had heretofore pos ssed it. None could
vote before that period white or black VINO were not
worth a5O-which would amount to $3.50 .
Mr. ANDREWS again desired to ask whether the aus
against negroes whs m0' @ maui ~ and
biaek yoters According to the gentemans reasoning
the party called upon to surrender their privileges should
alone have the power TO Vose uon oonc "v ened 70 Vote
upon the prOyiso Of the Constitution oi lS Whch eA
cuded them from the franchise, While throwing IL leey
Mr. HALE did not consider that the negro surrendered
any rights in 1921 he kept the status %eh NE ne a es ed
vidually opposed to the discrimination oi color as 10 e
property 4uaTeat%Sn % B bu1 nrnee and or this reason
the people have right 70 vote upon IL separately ohe
grea reason for separate submission was that when ne
Himself came vote upon this property quslhcaon ne
did not want to vote at the same time upon hn,oei ~
questions Of doubtful poe! ba ne freehold Saadcaton
OF coored persons, from which he thought
that the Convention had no right to deprive the
neepe Of the right they had always claimed aud exer
cised OF expressing their opinion IN regard 10 the proper
~ oualiAcation of the negro. He would Suggest popo
stdn for voting upon this question separately which
would prevent any apathy at ie Pos er 'ere ie e pe
amended Constitution aud second against it, so that
the entire Constitution shall stand fa as whole Dy
snch vntes LET there be addition third class OF bal
FOR the Constitution except the clause with regard TO
suffrage the judiciary, whatever article might be OBJ
o1s This would work well and was perfectly feast
Bile suppose 100000 votes for the Constitution and 100000
ainst H. with 100000 against the suffrage cause then
Tie Constitution would adopted with the exception OF
negro suffrage SO with regard To other provisions He
did not propose this az the only pla' pu' a. one 'h"'
wonld meet the exlgepces OF the ease
Mr COLLAHAN Denl., KiDgs) claimed the floor when,