The New York herald., 1867-03-11

come before US as reformer and every honorable gen
teman opposite is disposed TO follow them If am dis
posed 10 say word or two Of rldcue on that chang
OF opinion do not think for moment that regret M
am very glad that you are reformers and what s more
you VIII be very glad o. i too hereafter "a laugh
records of this Parliament will Judge the more favor
ably The more honestly generously and completely yor
do the work which you are now apparently permitting
your Minister to try to do Hear hearl But last ses
sion took the liberty OF telling honorable gentlemen
opposite that though they got rid that bin and cot rid
OF that government they would not got rid Of The auss
on OF reformhat they would have to meet and settle
now they come down to Parliament and are
to settle It. Don't try to settle IL upon hocus poems
which men IN this nouse may agree without refer.
ence TO persons outside People outside know that this
House not in favor OF farreachng or any complee
measure Of reform, and that had IL not been
| ernment that 10 now in nor the government that
was turned out nor any government for The last fifteen
gerous question But II there be this pressure wbv in
the name OF all that Is sensible and WISE why should
we not attempt a least 70 step a far forward
can meet the views the honest sympathies and desires
OF the most intelligent and most resolved norton of
that great body OF the people which now excluded
tHear, hear) II you tinker this little bill-if YOU stick
at this 60 rating franchise you but touch the ips VET
leave the palate dry; the great body Of the people
that in the very first session OF Parliament which
Is held after an election upon It,, you will see
with regard TO the franchise, and I believe also
With regard to the distribution OF seats The right
honorable gentleman the Chancellor OF the Ex-
lender of your party, made very remarkable
speech upon another question, and showed how very
awkward aud almost how impossible Il Is for member
OF this House in oco undertake carry great ques-
ions 10 which in opposition ho had been consistently
opposed Twill read to the House quotation from his
speech and II will give them and gentlemen opposite
some idea OF what the right honorable gentleman would
nave said " he had been sitting hero standing
here, doing discussing the present position Of
affairs II was on the subject Of the grant 10 Mayuooth
for which Sir Robert Peel had introduced a h.si The
right honorable gentleman said he ''opposed bill
a hv rbnva hrnt tUiaf
"a laughl "He did not think that the gentlemen who
are now seated on the Treasury bench morally
titled to bring such measure forward" (Hear, hear
This measure, sir involves principle against which
the right honorable gentleman AMI most OF his col
call to mind all the speeches and all the motions and
all the votes which lave ed IRON the present
ne ba 'a uo 10 sp.
than useless to dwell nj any length upon the crcuuI
stances which induce me TO adopt thai opinion And
30 be told (he goes on) that those who
took the course 10 which have referred have crossed
the floor OF this House. and have abandoned with their
former seats their former proftssons''lhear, hear-
sare we to be told that these mems measures aud
actions arc to remain uncri,icized and unopposed be-
they tel look merits OF their measures
and TO forget themselves and their former protesations
(Hear, baarl 'Thc ncbe lord opposite lord Russei,
the hereditary leader of tho whg party will am suro
not withhold his with the principles have
laid down That noble lord ths representative of Mr. Fox
VIII not ganssy the motto q thai grea, leader Men and
this sde THAT is the honorable gentleman opposite
such Of you as hero thenl show has the opposite
to gain power and enter place. and then carry
exactly the reverse Of those which they proessed op
means and machinery BY which they conducted the op
position, and by which they gained power phat is. by
your suiraees and you are rcconcled to this proce-
dure by being persuaded that by carrying measures
which you disapprove Of and they pretend dsreIish
they are making what they cali he best bargain for
you. Here is Minister the pointed to SIR
r. Peel) '',cho ia,nadliy brings fnpurd as his
those rery schemes and proposals to Which,
,oiesa ia epposti he Arrays ared di,aseD bitter
rm mn
admirers OF the best bargain sylcm how they
think the right honorahls gentleman would have
lord opposites" Or. may by tho right honorable
gentleman who sits the Treasury benchs tChssrsl
neni. II their government is anxious 70 carry real,
substantial, conclusive and satisfactory BILL and they
party or because they have opposed all the propositions
in which have been concerned, should therefore,
iactiousiy oppose their bill But having turned round
having become reormers having concluded at halt past
two to-day that they would allow the right honorable
gentleman 70 appear In new character as reformer in
this House e. OH OIL" aud shear. hear u ask them
for their sake and for his sake, but for what 10
worth infinitely than your reputation his ocia
the fisactnm Of an sSsited and anrols pepe e. oh
and shear, hcar" that this measure, II Il !: TO be
lease and every other who is In favor Of reform
from further and agitation Of this question
during ~, % No, to 90 over the
controversial portion OF tho ground which has becn oc
cupcd during 1his debate and occupied in common By
and the hoaorsbis nsnSsr iOr ssseissham- -
i is quite eyidsn, that the position o. the House
evasna Until this evening we we're wholly ignorant
Of the plans Of the government The right hon.
detail and for the most part with considerable clear
mesa the nature OF the plans assume. therefore, that
the chair That motion would itself constitute i'm.
portant STEP and ought not TO be taken tonight.
entirely freely as 70 that preliminary step Probably
the mos, convenient would be that the next gov
ernment night should be takcnicheersbut that inter-
val which think may be claimed, and aru sure the
claim would be admitted in the interest OF the lib rty Of
members OF the House, Is one which do rat will have
cheers) nm sure l am not taking the part Of
opponent in urging that argument. tChecrsl put II
the Home Department-who, know, regards the dig.
nifty OF Parliament much any man who sits within
these walls-I put to tho right honorable gentleman
the Chancellor Of the Exchequerwho has studied the
history Of his country and tho constitution OF ths
House-whetcr there has ever been in It's whole history
an In which Parliament called upon to dis
resolutions necessarily OF vague character subject
every kind Of difference Of interpretation and that,
lies clear and definite plan enunciaed BY tho govern
ment Hear, heaE) That 10 q position so novel that
cannot but think might 90 pregnant with incoave
such the House Of Commons has never be-
fore bcen called upon to ADOPT 40 hope we
such as those which the table IL Il not
compatible with the character and dignity OF this House
sir which has been expressed and which doubt not,
IL entertained evey portion OF the House. to proceed
with due despatch and diligence in tho prosecution OF
this subject and thereby 10 preserve aud vndcac, not
only among ourselves but In tho facs OF the country
tho character and credit OF the House OF Commons,
scAch scosd be geuousy imperied II IL were that
We did not exercise sound judgment with ssgard to all
the steps BY which to proceed towards the settle
ment OF this question.
The motion was then withdrawn, and Il was made an
order of the day for Thursday that the House should
INTO committee the resolution.
Pue eeMaA n .