The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-08-05

uniform It is the present franchise which 10 open
that objection, while that which We propose s susSep
BILE Of rich variety When, however, my noble friend
says that the franchise too uniform he again fails TO
inform as nov 70 vary the uniformity. AZ taE AL IN.
crstand has remarks, he seems TO Contemplate the dis
nct representation Of the laboring classes II he did So
cannot conceive any element Of dscord great any
source of embarrassment 90 certain that number Of
men should meet In the same House OF Commons, one
aes among them representing the higher and the wealth
iof and the other the poorer and the lower classes,
and that these men should be brought face "
representing the combined interests Of the whole
community. tCheers) II rightly understand my
noble friend, cannot cohesive more objectionable
proposition than that OF separate representation Of
different interests Hear, hsar) Then, again, the
noble earl who has just sat down, has condemned the
he tells US that on the whole he does way
improve and TO make Il more moderate or conserva-
i've only he suggest; The dong sway WITH that Which
suffrage, namely, tho payment Of rates which secures
for the voter spsimanent substantial, stable
President Of the Council differing from all the rost and
replying TO the gloomy orebodngs o. my noble friend
are some Of the differing opinions which have been or
pressed during the discussion The noble earl 10 fofb
Tho Earl or sHArrrsBuRY said would come down
AZ once 70 Q seven pound franchise.
The EARL OF DKRBY-Ycs; but what 10 10 be done the
nigh. Of stairs By degrees descending IN the rst in
stance TO pound franchise, and going gradually
lower until We CONS 70 the household suffrage which We
Then comes my noble friend the Earl Of Carnarvon),
who says 'Youf nav franchise 70 TOO low; but cannot
tell how much higher u should BE-" Then comes the
noble earl IEsr RseIn who says, "Your franchise is
very objsctionable but on the whole don't see how
amend H. except By change which would mako y
more radical and democratic than before" And
lastly my noble friend Earl Granvls) says II have no
hult 10 and with tbe new franchise" Hear hearl Ny
lords II Ia easy TO start objections 10 bill Of this sort,
and can quite understand the motion Of the noble earl
who moved this amendment, because, while he
stated In that amendment that the bill was
Objectionable he took good care NOT 10 say in what
manner, what side, 70 whom and for what reason IL
Objectionable, and be thus escaped from the IN.
Guilty with which your Iordships will have 10 contend
we 20 into committee, as ! suppose We sha-the dim
Guilty Of pointing out the particular objections enter.
tanned 70 the bill, and Of Suggesting the particular
amendments By which u 10 proposed 70 remove those
objections (Icar) Thst 10 the difficulty which awaits
noble lords who have been very free oondemnng the
course taken BY the government but who must come 70
book in the COMMITTEES and tell AZ what they propose 70
substitute for the parts which they condemn. Hear,
hear) Well then, my noble friend lord Carnaxvon) 10
alarmed about the odser franchise and tells that We
are proceeding upon Imperfect Information In this re-
spect admit that We are proceeding upon very impsr.
feet information. He SAYS We may be admitting one
hundred thousand or even Eve hundred thousand new
voters under the iodgsr franchise don't think the as
ter estimate IL likely 10 be accurate "a laughl
The noble earl charged with taking all the business
Of the House ppon myself. and with keeping my col