The New York herald., 1867-07-18

In which 20 much interest 10 mani esleo why are 'he
separate submssions IL because they fear il will be
defeated, He could place no other construction upon
psopA would endorse the measure and remove all 70
sriclioas now imposed upon any class OF voters He
had more faith in the people than sen.smeh & o. ns Sp
ton then where will this question OF negro suffrage be
Mr.. GRsElzr sad he would have all colored men vote
Mr. Wnp-rhen you would have them do so in viola
Mr. GRrmsY-The constitution Is above the statute
Mr. WEED Yes, and II the gentleman was discussing
the statute he would say the statute above the con-
stutiou Then, you have negroes vote this faIl 10
violation OF the statute would you have women vote
Mr GRKxLxr--If We give them the right here do so
/ would have them exercise IL this fall
Mr. wEsD-The gentleman goes deeper and deeper
He forgets that Convention has power 10 legs
late and that all that may be done here is OF no conse
quence until il ratified by the people as provided by
statute This not political question: although gen
,lemen the other side had sought TO make II 30 II
was Tor that reason that he would give separate SUBJ
mission and give ali chance to upon it untrame
led suppose We send to the people constitution witn
bad Judiciary system. oad canal system ana oaa
rage All would 20 down together but submit the
suffrage question separately, and, il majority shall vote
1or u, then ii will become the law OF the land.
Mr. AAsrkN dem. 6f Erie, had al ways supposed that
the democratic partythe party With whom he had act
ed iIom bis youth up-was opposed t9 any property
qualification, and democrat he took that ground
Now, " there was other reason why negroes should
NOT vote than the possession of property then he should
upon which the people diner widely should he submitted
separately. II clearly the duty OF the Convention
take this course because there was no other way in
which II could be brought their attention fairly
and directly He should support the proposition, and he
wanted 10 do unrammelled by any other amendment
Something had been said about party. Hc had hoped
that all party considerations would be forgotten here
and We shonld endeavor to make the best const
tuition possible II had said the republicans would
for negro suffrage and the democrats against II
but the gentlemen would be mistaken when the vote
came to be taken; it would then be found that inc
AAssan rrtll ho uOoAn a
feared that the republicans would occupy the same po
sition He would prefer to have the question sub,
mit.ed without the property qualification. Let all
negroes vote or disiranchse Them ALL Let do away
with nl odI0us restrictions.
Mr. PueE, ldem) OF schenecdady referred TO the man
which the property qualification incorporated
in the present constitution and said II the gentlemen
thought best to submit the simple question as TO wheth
negroes should vote not without restriction he was
coutent. But agreed with the proposition that the
present governing class should he consulted n the rg h
OF suffrage was 10 be extended 1t was this
he would prefer separate Submission OF the question
The depository OF political power must be consulted and
IL should he sent out as a separate and distinct
proposition The science Of government true reasoning
sound principle would justify II. There was no other
way 10 dispose Of II. The bill OF rights guaranteed a
Tree election, but If negro suffrage should be nc0rpo
rated into the Constitution It would not be election
Men would DO compelled vote under duress TO vote
against the whole for the whole We had no right TO
assume that the people had changed since this question
last submitted to them. IL was duty TO give
them an opportunity to distinctly whether they had
or not
Mr. COOKE trep.l of Ulster denied that the RICH! of
Suffrage was privilege conferred by expediency. IL
was rather an inherent right citizenship The propo-
sition or the gentleman from Cayuga (Mr G. c. Dwight,
to strike the word back' from the present const
tnon II the duty Of the Convention To revise the
constitution and lien that done the result should
be submitted the people II the question Of suffrage
which the 6Tst considered submitted sepa
raeIy then other propositions creating difference OF
opinion, would have to be treated In the
After further debate by Messrs Mcdonald and syives
ter Mr.. VEEDEs (den of Kings, moved that the COM
nittee rise and report progress. Lost
amend
offered by the gentlemen from Kings Mr. Murphy
providing for separate submission TO the people. when
Mr. VERPiANcK tdel Of Erie asked that the question
mgbt be postponed unAthere should be full Conven-
ton. The Convention had now been in session from
press vote At this time. He renewed The motion to
report progress. Lost
Mr. VERrIANcK then proceeded to discuss the merits Of
the question He concluded by expressing the hope that
the vote would not be taken 70 night.
Mr. vEEDsR did not understand why this haste Was
messed such scenes in the Assembly whom political ques
tons 20 be carried.
Mr. FoLaKR rep Of Ontario raised the point Of order
The CHAIR sustained the point OF order.
Mr. %SysS e rsps b. offered
u Convention, If not previously offered in COMMITTEES Of
The CHAIR decided that i. could not
Mr. PAGE said II would be unwise and unkind TO close
the ques ion now, when there were geatlemen who
desired 10 modify the amendment offered by Mr..
NJ folczs sAid the intention was simply to take ,
vote on Mr. Murphys amendment, to report progress,
Mr. 20 ccsarR, @ dem Of Rockland, said he desired to
submit general remarks the pending question,
but could not do 10 tonight simply from exhaustion.
Mr CHEE.BRo ldsm) OF Ontario, moved 10 report pro-
gress. Lost.
The question Was then taken Mr.. Murphy 8
amendment and II was lost-yeas 20, nays -.
Mr. FoLaER moved 70 report progress.
Mr. vErpLAScK asked that the motion nigh, be with
drawn in order TO allow him oner . amendment.
Mr. GRsnhY hoped that privilege would be granted.
Mr. ForGR did not withdraw his motion, and the conf
mss rose reported progress and leave was granted TO
sit again.
Ainfiosn minutes to nine the Convention adjourned
10 eleven morrow morning.