The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1867-09-14

also common sense view of the natter when move
it be tabled. 1t is evident that, as the members
knew nothing of the bill before coming here, they
cannot have received any instruction from their
constituents think it had better be allowed to go
before the country.
Hon. d. Kalakaua supported the idea suggested.
to postpone the discussion of the BILL
His Ex. s. II. Phillips-This bill did not strictly
/ originate with the government The assembly want
ed TO get at idea the subject OF taxation and
asked of the Ministers present their plan vixen the
bill providing for the treaty, should have passed In
! answer to their wish we presented this BILL Ii Is
/ true that if the United States Government do not
ratify the treaty. there will be deficiency. There
are some reasons why the question should be settled
now. The community may be much excited on this
question of taxation during the next six months and
each will try to shift the burden Of the taxes
from his own shoulder to that of his neighbor. All
of supposed difficulties will be raised against its
passage. The whole question of taxation rests with
the Legislature, and they should do as they think
best If this Legislature postpone this BILL any one
opposed to it can say at the next session. that It has
been proposed and objected to, and thus make q
handle of il against the bill am afraid that the
action of this House may be misunderstood in time
to 1 should be very unwilling to press the
bill upon the House. but members will that their
action may be misunderstood.
Hon. C. G. Hopkins-It is very difficult to defend
my motion. One member Of the government gives
out that the House may do as they please with the
bill, while another argues in support of the plan to
take the bill into consideration. think that the
Ministry misunderstood the idea of the House in
calling for the bill. think this bill was asked for
that members might vote ntelligently the bin to
provide for the treaty do not think the House in
tended to pass a revenue bill this session, do
think the bill is of that complicated nature that the
minds of the community will become bewildered in
taking 1t into consideration, nor that the action
of this House in postponng it will be misunderstood.
/ sorry to find that l do not agree with the
Ministers i thought was sailing down the river
with them. "a ta.fi.,t
Hon. L. Aholo thought the bill should be consider
ed If we do not pass it now, l fear it will never
pass. There can be no harm in passing it,
if the United States do not ratify the treaty.
His Ex c. de Vargny-The Ministers have given
reasons why the bill should not be discussed now
1t rests with the House to do they please. There
is no disagreement between the Ministers.
Hon. j. III. kamalo-I support the views of the
Hon. c. G. Hopkins. II the bill is placed on the
table, it will be ready for the next legislature to
raise it After we hear that the Senate of the United
to consider this question. l do not fear with some
that any one will endeavor to shirk the responsible
| ity of taxation. One gentleman says what harm is
done pass the bill, and the treaty is ratified
in the United States say we are wasting valua-
! BILE time -a
! His Ex. P. Kanoa-Some members thought that
the people were to be burdened with taxes and so
they called upon the Ministers for their proposed
plan of taxation. After seeing the plan they were
satisfied. The members in asking for the plan were
protecting their constituents from some imagined
wrong. l support the view of the Hon. G. D. Ukeke
| and think that we should pass this bill nov. agree
with the Minister of Finance that if we refuse to act
upon it, the next Legislature viii be warranted in
passing it by.
Hon. c. r. Bishop-mere have been no objections
made to the bill. / certainly entertain none. The
members all know that have objected acting upon
this bill at the present time In favorng the laying
of this bill the table do wish it understood
| that am against the bill If the next Legislature
were not to meet seon, should favor some action
in the bill new 1t is urged we had better pass it
now, as the minds of some may change regarding the
bill. think this is good reason why it should Law
| over all fnll md 6o~yo
an idea that we are leaving unfinished work for the
next Legislature. 1t is not 1t will be taken hold
hold of as work. ss.s
His Ex. c. de Vargny wished to call the attention
Of the Assembly to Article of the treaty, viz
ARTICLE w. The present Convention shall fake
effect soon as it shall have been approved by
His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands. i'm
Council, and ratified by the Governments of the
United States, and the laws required to carry 1t
into operation shall have been passed by the Con-
gress of the United States of America, and the
Legislative assembly of the Hawaiian Islands. The
Convention shall remain in force seven years from
the date at which it may go into operation and
further until the expiration of twelve months after
either of the high contracting parties shall give
notice to the other of its wish to terminate the
same each of the high contracting parties being at
liberty to give such notice to the other at the end
of the said term OF seven years, at any time
thereafter.
The next steamer that leaves Honolulu will bear
hence a copy of the treaty ratified by this Govern
ment 1t is possible that the treaty may be ratified
by the United States by the last of December. am
only specializing on this matter In this case the
Convention will be in force Immediately. We lnsy
be called upon to admit goods duty free from the
United States on the first of January. In this case
We shall lose portion of our revenue put the
matter before you es barely possible.
Hon. c. r. Bishop-Even if the bill is passed now
the taxes to be collected will only be taken in Decem
ber, 1868, or early in 1869, except the duties on
opium, tobacco, &c.
His Ex c. de Varigny-This may be the case
Rnf unf that
which an extra duty is laid may be imported in
large quantities to avoid the duties imposedf
Without reaching any decision, the House adjourn
ed, by vote of Is to l2, until tomorrow ut 10
O'Clock.