New-York tribune., 1867-06-24
THE CANALS OF OUR STATE.
DEBATE IN CONVENTION.

ansSc TS pS,ss5en isr, is no need Of a resolution.
The romn,nnicatOn be taken UP on the can VI '''
Mr. Grccley-Tben call up the communication iOr
The Presdent-Thc Secretary will proceed TO read
the communication Itttired to. At, ooossarv Mr.
Mr.. Greeley think il rs hardS harS haen @ rad once
President TO Lave IL read again; IL mas '0'" W
The President-Unless the reading is DESIRED 1t VIII
Mr GpeeIevMr President offered the Original Original
YsOuo TO which te on or ME is intended as ro
sponsc because desired more c1lhITS wished % Gentlemen
Information in regard TO the cah"iS "''"
MIR klvord-I rise TO question 0t or.iery III, caecy @
@ addTes the Chair ths Convention except there
somS ,n distinct motion before the body g. - .h
M Crceey-I did make distinct m0tlOn, Dut tio th
Chair decided my call for the consideration :" '
Communication was all that was necessary. ~. Of .,o
Mr. Alvord-That does not bring the mat,ei vi 'qo nc
communication Substantially before the Convention 10
do that requires some mollsn. g.. s,co to tbc Com
mittoe on Ca:als. win that dot offered the oris'n
,,roposifiOn. Mr.. President 81
The prrsdent-fhe Chair will inform the gentle
rnan from WestcheSter mir Greeley una. ~ hs
question OF reference the merits Oi Tue S"''''
DISCUSSED under tile rules .;, 60
MIR Weed rise to point OF ORDER InoHoh "
Thc PresdentwThe Chair has informed the gentle,
ncr that on TO refer, the esulGectmater m'o'V"
Mr.. Grecicv-May disk the Chair upon what mo-
tion would be allowed to address the Chlr WIN ii'i
'i Tbs 20 0PresdentIThe Chair will leave the gentleman
from Wcstcheser mir Greeley TO take his Own M coGSc t
NOT d% % hir ~ w iwniy calls attention OF the gentleman
to the rule providing that on motion TO reier oeo"'e o
us NJ GreeeyMThen / move that the report be re-;
turned to the Commissioners OF the 'ah"i rum" w"
The Pr, dent.--It will ,,r.....,,,
Mr. C;rccey-Mr President will state my,
MIR Alvord-I rise to point of order Inc gentle
man llr Greeley has noe Withdrawn his oris'i 'no''V"
MI nv e;rcclevI do withdraw it. Mr. President and
male the melton that & tls paper r "p Prcdenf this rs
very remarkable paper will read the frst statement
i understand that the net cos. or poa 81 the ,eT
ea to t established by eosgn rseep. ip 1 hey sssSe
that wo the a'e.t .to1 & !" stale se an g b toa ls 10 express
Sir what desired to arrive at was the actual Rct COS.
of the canals the people OF the state M NSwl orh & n
they 81 md to-day by such methods as SHOULD seem mus.
I'm accordance with the spirit of that resolution hm
very sorry Uhough the Commissioners say at 'IS '9 h
words q a not express the intent In the next pace 'hcy
' w. NJ. s Of the scope purpose Of m resolution The
eOnelad that The eSseIe reT v,aaa % & NJ
aS m f!Sss Present b hat pro,e put the information %
ASo J ,h Canal Department nniel h manual prepared for
the Conenton Sgrl Of ILe Sat'mess Is a. ~ nav & Jro,l
10 aasi and Ian the tables Il W no,r' n = e% ,
Mr Precedent, the third week oi TINS Convention has
nearly gSSSd, ana @ we o i,EG I'ii th,R wS- oi;d The
resolr om OF inquiry. and the told to VIII tW
days AID the information wonu luiS,!c1. nov nov
detailed statements. A very Intelligent mrlnbci o ihS
Convention informed me that he had del sh = nous 10
the study OF the documents mlnluns iaIn IL nv Iw I
Auditor and that he thinks he understands about i3m %
aftepst
means afforded this Convention OF understanung nov
the state account stands with the canals, without Wu-
ns ~ te, tV as nv friend has done They say that in
eertaiu detailed statements that have been or VII he.
called for What wish single statement, whereby,
we may see rs at glance now no 1e donbt # members
Of this Convention able TO give two or three weeks
70 the study Of canal documents running back through
number OF years they might obtain very fair under
standing of this subject Bpt certainty tb H. eso' i % ne
GERS to give these facts within small compass nave
before E1gGtesT % wv ame s
parncs see account stated such as wish TO
soNS saye nsbes aa ia a ehgR IT states What the original cost
each Of the canals Of this sats and how gs@ ard mas
s. i; e sH fsea @ Us ssg aS sO'i 50 tnat
day the State has paid out for canals than she
has received from those canals. about ss7 ooOco and
desire TO have. and to have II from an official
wonld ike toy to have It from a State officer do
nd any such information from state ofieals find
ssG St nothing on Inns IsS@S ss Sas wSie ea for BY the resolution
people of the State aud what has returned
from each canal find in the statistics sent us ny ihe
saw for 20 wears back am very thankful that It
is all we can get But wish to know from state officers
what each canal has cost us as clearly as may be- and
how much it has returned 70 us. Tbs volunteer doeu-
s5 oS % r and dIaf' hat las @ rned @ ssooSc that s he
Champain Canal cost s,500O and that u has returned
han ,n has re reIeG i over that tie Senese
Valley oaal has cost slOooooo and has returned less
Mr Kiyord-I would suggestto the gentleman from
WescEcstcr r Greeley that, as he has read the facts
tho statements directly the reycrse Of what Is true
lie must have read the returns for the outgOes.
Mr.. Greeey-I am reading it exactly as it is here,
except that am giving the sums in ronnd numbers TO
be accurate II says that the estimated cost OF the Genesee
Valley Canal is 81 9o6 81 that the total revenues from
that canal are 81 ,2g5,s50 o. .I
Mr. Alvorl-Will the gentlemen read the figures
In reference TO the OSwcgO Canal again
Mr.. Greeley-Estimated cost $o27seh Of; total
Z revenues s9,lI5,l7l S5.
l, Mr. (;reeley-It may not be correct ] am not
reading il correct statement, but only as the kind OF
concise statement OF the facts which desire To be laid
tables under the authority Of state officer am
reading it to slow what want this Convention in
formed OF authority have not quoted II rs true,
but I am showing how simple matter IL would he
for State officer to make such statement that we
each canal has cost the people Of this state and
what each canal has returned TO l
take up some Of the statistics furnished MS by the
Canal Auditor. He gives statistics for the last 20
years- IL estimated that when the canals were
arged the revenues would Increase the rate three
that there would be $4,000 600 OF revenue In twenty years
or rather that the estimated aggregate receipts for the
goes $25eO0OO and the estimated net income S2750O
give the sums in round numbers The actual receipts
outgocs have been 900 instead OF s2 0OO0 making
the actual net income As5O0OO0 which is S2OO0 less
than the estimated net income In another part Of these
statistics read that there have been claimed during the
last twenty years $4,000 for canal damages, and that
t2JOOOO have been awarded such claims The rest,
suppose. will In here from year 10 year until the
claimants future Legislatures into Ing them.
which we have. The estimates on which the en-
iargemcnt OF ls4o, or thereabouts was made,
@sd ana mat Is snSs we@a sSS tsr O co.
The actual expenses OF supernendence, collection and
Varied from soo oco 10 less than iooCoo down to the
when they jumped to 81 27 000 and last
the amount q COO So that during 1868 and 1860,
collection and repairs would be 81 20000O, the actual