The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-12-31
speech OF a Converted Gnribnidiou md the
R~pIy-scene In the Chamber.


Florence tDeo III Correspondence Of London Times1
Tho debate Ia the Chamber mas hitherto been calmer
than was expected, and not yet excited any very
thrilling interest The public anxiously AWARDED the
speech and revelations exptcsed from Ratazzi, likely
TO DO the most ineres ing part Of the debate
thought he would have spoken Yesterday but he has
been i'll FOR seerai days. His doctors led hopes
that he msn get 20 the Chamber To-day but II does
SO 1t will probably only be show that ne is really
abs to speas, and so to reule the attacks OF his
enemies who at his maiady q pre- SKI and de-
nouuce him as voluntarily silent.
The most notable speech made up TO yesterday ncu-
sively Was that Of Deputy Cvian, formerly decided
democrat folio yer Of Garbadi, heIsscr OF the ad-
vsnced section o The left and editor OF two radi-
cal Jounal, but VINO, for best known himself
has changed his Gag and become moderate and minse
rial He has occasionally spoken IL tne Chamber, out
never 18th ich success rue day, when he made
long aud really abe Speech In the OF which
though some these rather surpr ed one as ming
from his mouth thew would have been quite 10 their
pace had they proceeded from the lips OF present
ministers These apparently shrink IRON giving utter
aace 10 them Il needs the Jarag zaai Of convert
tor proclaiIn'ng unpleasant facts his Cvinin did
without stiot, In or.bIc well chosen terms amid
the applause Of the right aud the OF the left
On tho latter benches strong and disagreeabe
was excited when he declared that, while protesting
tho highest personal esteem and venerAiion for tho
leader under whom he had thrice borne arms, he
was convinced that the creed ,ors-
ba diiso must for bertys sake and far the welfare
Of Italy, cease and disa for He denounced
all nraccns Constituted authority ant insisted that
NO man or party should be allowed OIL that OF
Parliament. Up toa tim point he held the idea
pressed by the words, Rome, capital OF Italy, 10 b.
that OF philosophers OF letters, poticans He did
not believe 1t 70 DO an Iuea OF the nutuie which
much more set upoa obtaining strong aad wise liberal
their quondam friend 10 order aud murmared loudly;
but Cviniui persisted
he be persuaded. gentlemen, that what tell
you Is true Begin ny Z vlg that 10 the multitude,
wage great var asgnst he ignorance that aiicts
selves the Rons than ~ can hope to do by any
insane enterprises Let those who bent upon
% ssssy 10 I
have proclaimed Rome our capita, out we entered
into no bond as 10 the time the OF satisfying
sn. Les toll Europe Iaiy exist with
out Rome: tost she considers Rome her necsssary
capital but ey no mems ,naspsns,o' 70 nor an,y
prove tho house have bsi.t, lot us enrica and
strengthen ourselves and secure for ourselves place in
the councils OF Europe. Another point Is that Of tho
ma onsl dignity, 50 often said TO 90 NJ stake in the
question. do noe understand what BUSINESS It has
there all. We havo liked object view; main.
tain It, only perceive that have take1 the wrong
road reach it, and freely in House. adop.
another What want OF dignity IS thereY DO lsh
to make upon Frances II you DO lot US make ":
II not, do not nagiue that you ksepn: up dg
nitv by continually clamorng for thing which you
dare not sttempt 10 take If the Pope you to-
day, II Is bceau he does 10 ieve In s1rensth
show yourselves Strong and you Will see that wi
give wav Geniiemen cannot lose sight Of one very
imp"riani historical lact. In the worii
200 o00 600 atbo c. Great mnrnurs and ro,se from
leiL Y-s, gentlemen, zoo 00o, 000 and all the nose
you make will neither cause them 70 disappear
nor diminish their numbers Bar in mini y 10
\ frcstnlnkcr who adir sses y"us ani wnc,
nevertheless forced ,nat these 200 GOO. 900
| constitute formidable po~er. In proof Of b,
i
O. the % utvn feel t. jsnd 81 tie cL n te pr =
and % govern as le caho ics mud haze hin Willingly
or I'm ~iiingiy he has TO do tnef bidding. We were
wrong when sad that Rome lnaispsnsa HE TO w.
and doubiy WRONG because SAID SO wnie IL still
Disagreement between us and that Power France bad
in her hands what you called The key u
end procia med lndsps nsaoc 10 you On that
sou sub nit ed continually 10 petition France Tor what
you ought 10 have had sthout any Concession what
sn you ousas now 20 dor Petition longer Cure
France 81 the ifea 20 you most iaia tnat she hoes
your greatest treasure: le her me; let her
noln' guard over tina. Pope for vhs she processes
sach affection. and you viii that day wli
| come wen Rome stat TAI 70 you. Ask no longer
| Wat and care for yourselves Improve admini.
traon aud unances IND seek DOT to hurry ON soa, ION
wLch perhaps his gsnesaton may nol % destined 70
witness country must conform us foreign policy to
rs domestic condi ION. lease 70 make q tue oman
qcs'on Cause VI agitation, OF weakness and of internal
| disorders
some ~ the most striking assages Of Civns speech,
M ch may be chsracerzel einincutiy practical and
couia'nns mucn good al ics ~Lica Iay ~osld 90
| wrey 10 folIow. The speech excited the Chamber y
good deal The left evdenur bttsr displ asurc
tue Of their former associate hui they abs
iron violent ou bursts and eontened themselves win
ireqlsnt and gosus Of disappry baton. for
which tivlni1L before stang down, thanked them
coac.ndcd Let Us resign Ourselves lake Tho world
~ Is 'oday Catholic Europe Is ainst IA IN the Roman
question, aud denies rs tic sossessicn 81 Rome By
following the counse OF MODERATOR and good
snail succeed ia persaadinx Europe that NO
upon tie temporal rover aud BY no means on the
| srritual power OF tho pontG.
Great app foowe Speech whica lasted more
than two roars, sad many Deputies LETT their
snake hands with the whose praise tho min
Iertai papers have since loud Perhaps II was
partly Gnwsngrcss to speak Immediately alter SO sue.
cessful an orator tnat maie a Al spolan
Deputy. whose Is Giuseppe Masszri. anxious that
The Chamber shQsId go TO dinuor instead OF
10 DO rcnsd With hs cioQaence. The following ittls
| scene took pacs:--
| rRriDEN-It Ia Deputy Masssri's turn TO speak.
MAsARI-i am at the orders Of tho Cha noer. but
Voices rna LErr--No, no; speak, speak. (Noisc)
| MAssARi-I am az tho otders 81 the Chamber, but
appeal 10 the courtesy II my colleagues adjourn till
| tomorrow Noise.l