The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-11-26

husband was on our side rhsre was sonsdersbs prop
srsy III Maylsnd which had not been confsoaed which
drsn were enttled 20 that property General Hunter
thought Ny accommodation was not out Of any
fAvors 10 General stuart
O We're lnose circumstances presented 70 the presi
| dent - . reason for his pardon A. 40 not Know
that they we're or were not; merely signed recon-
q. D'a that contain the Aatsnsn. you have given
A. / do not recollect whether 10 ala not; do no.
that stated the circumstances to the PRESIDENT
Y DO you recollec. signiag the Recommendation OF
| ~ D Ecton, reeei brigadsr general A. No, Or;
dont recolec or hsrs being such general in the rebel
| service
Q. ina report in the House il that he pardoned
on the RECOMMENDATIONS OF General Grant aud John
Hancock A. do rscoect any such person Al John
Hancock or tho general named.
q. Do you rocoliect Lloyd ). Dean "Bealk" A las.
Q. pd you sign application make recommend;
anon Tor his psrdons A. do not think the records VIII
show that recommended his pardon but an not sure
know that hs sent his application through me Win re-
quss that should send u TO the President with some
endorsement; my rocoliec.ion is made some on
dorssment as TO hs general character which was hgn
up 70 the breaking cut Of the war, as any man
q We're you acquainted With him previous to tho
breaking out Of tao war A. oh yes 81. .ot many
years; don't lhink | recommended him. but may
| q 10 you rseolect p r. Roddy, sad TO 20 rebel
brgad.er general A. Yes sir do not rocoilect what
my endorsements was in Roddys case, but know that
II had 10 do over again would recommend ms par.
ooI very quickly and presume did So IL he Is nos
pardoncd yet would be very CAD 70 agn recommends
| lion for lira now.
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| army who were recommended for pardon BY your a.
| No, sir cannot monitor any. You have already gone
do not think recommended General Pickett for par
don rscollect receiving letter after letter from him.
halt He especially uneasy lest should be tried
by military commission. on account OF some men whs
having talked 20 tho President about HIM will
furnish whatever is in my cihce abou. him, received
one app al after another in Picketts behalf not only
from him. but from officers in the army who had known
hun before The war.
A. do not know. was not in favor OF his pardon,
nor was in favor OF his being tried by Military COM
mission kthiak his great anxiety was 70 receive some
that he would not be taken up and imprisoned
l FOR offences alleged against him a. commander 10
North Carolina. He wanted be able work aud
mako living. IL is likely may have recommended
that he be given that would be arrested
and Imprisoned DO not think that signed recon-
Inendaiion for his pardon. You have no right to ask
| whss my opinion is now.
| q Was he an active rebel oficers A. Yes, sir: hs
was charged with executing number OF North Carolina
refugees who captured tn garrison under Gen.
eral Vessels. in North Carolina These mon had gone
there 10 svade the rebel conscrption may he had
deserted from tho rebel army, tried
tiers aud quite number Of them executed Pickett WAS
in command at tho time and good deal said TO
his having approved tho procsedipgs French was an
asve rebel oficer aud served in the field. He General
Grsnt had not heard OF him much in the HeId but he
was on The James river whom Mcclellan WAS in com.
maud.
O Did you svsr advise the pardon OF General Lee
A. Yes, sir: General Loe forwarded his application for
amnesty through me, and forwarded ii to the Presi
deut proved do not recollect having had any
veisation with tho President that subject; think
probable that recommended the pardon OF General
Johnston immediately after the surrender OF his army
on account OF the address he delivered TO It, which
sdered in good tone aud spirit. recoect speaking Of
that, and saying that should be glad if General John
in which he addressed his troops.
ny ths CaAIRaAs-i supposed hts pardon would have
| good effect; do no! rsmember that spoke to the
Secretary OF War on the subject.
BY M ErcSpcE--I remember going q one tine to
gee The President with General Hiiyer but II was rea.
tive appointment he (Hillyer) wanted do no.
recollcct that the conversation went beyond the
OF stating wha knew about Hilser; think | met
Hlyor twice afterward when the President
present, but have recollection OF any conversation
with the resdent the subject Of general amnesty,
on The subject Of amnesty az all: have never recon-
nondod fenora amnesty, and never was in favor OF IT,
un.ii the time shall come when is safe TO give IT,
By Mr. WnrIsxs--I do not recolec; having had any
conversation on the subject of universal amnesty
could not have recommended such tang because
never was 10 favor OF IL until the time shall come when
il is safe
two points in the proclamation, but that his views
afterwards changed State vhen.the Presidents mind
changed and underwent change. A. Il would be very
hard reckon to NJ It. but was along IN the summer OF
1885, not than two or three months after the North
| Carolina proclamation q May %.
BY Mr.. Recommendation sad that the Presidents
| views underwent change, mean, that whilc Was
c1ntsndng for the rghtswhich those rebel paroed SOL
diers had he was insisting on that they should be
| rgnished.
sy n. ELpmOer-Any correspondence ! ever had
nith tue PRESIDENT ~ Official, and can be furnished
bad 10 make frequen, endorsements the subjects
she rights OF those paroed prisoners; the only CORE
spondence thai could have had tue subject OF am
ncsy when recommended men for pardon, rs in
the case OF French and others, OF all which kept
aona which, Was Ss s ons I
state government present when IL read, and Il
was N me direction wanted; was snxions 70 see
temporary government there, and did not want 10
anarchy.
ton did not give any opinion against IL was IN
favor Of that or anything else which looked to civil gov
erun-nt until Congress could meet and establish gov
ernmsnts there's did not want all chaos left there
no form OF civ government whatever was In "a
vor OF anything or opposed to anything particularly;
not pretend give my jua -ment what should be-
was perfectly willing TO leave II the civil depart
ment; asked no person what ahoud do in my duiies
Was willing 10 take all tho responsibility, and did not
usnt to give my views as 10 what The civil branch of the
o. Of thase governors we're military officers and
held rank IN the army That was during toe rebel
lion; Mr.. johnson Military Governor In Tennessee,
aud General Hamilton in Texas: DO not recolcct thai
there were any other MILITARY Governors; the Others
were Provisional or Military Governors: looked upon
then as equally provisional
by ur THosas.--Q You have stated ycar opinion ~
70 the rights and privileges Of General Ice and his SOL
ders; did Jon mean tina. to include political rights
A. have explained tina, did not; there diIcr
snce q opinion on this point between President John
son aod me- but there was 10 whether the paols gave
I them Any privileges or rights.
BY Ut " pRpcE-9 lie claiming thai il did not, and
you that did He claiming that tho time must
| como when they cous DO tiled aud punished and
claiming that the time would not come, except by
a,ioo o. their parole; claimed that gave them
political privileges but that had right a military COM
msndcr % arrange terms or surrender wach would pro-
tee, the lives OF those prisoners; believe that is con-
Cedcd by everybody that had that righi know that
MI. Lincoln conceded IL at the time.
By Mr. BoUTwrI.-Q How recently has the presi.
den, expressed 70 you the opinion that General Ice on
Others who had We benefit or parole should be tired
aud p1nlsheiy A. Not since about Two years.
v Have you at any tune heard the President make
remark IN refevncs 70 the admission OF mrnbara
~ Congress from the rebel States into either House,
A. cannot say positively what have heard hum say
IN that subject. have heard him a. much. per-
haIs, in mis- published speeches Lass summer
heard hm al all upon that subject, have heard
him say and think have heard him say twice lis
speeches that II he North carried the elections by
NhaG ft.nV,s
hcrs majority. why would they not be tho Congress
~ ihe Tinted States have heard him say That sew
eGal time-.
Or Mr.. wuaisss-o when yua SAY 'ths North, J. Won
moan inc democratic party Of the North; in other
words the party iavoring biz policy A. meaa II the
North carried enough members favor OF the adms
aloa % Lhs South ad not hear bin, thA. be would