The workingman's advocate. [volume] (Chicago [Ill.]) 1864-1877, 1867-09-28

working IL both Gases. a,sf Z
{ Irrespective % he unioup Yss.
Mr.. heEitale--I undsrstsnd you - ssy
that this aurplus II divided rsteessy, ac-
cording 70 the weekly wages that the men
receive; supposing that the men are I'll 90
eisty men together, hoe are the different
Hratss Of wages fxod 'vh,ch diGsrent men
es1f The employer pays one man more
than smother TIE workman has no voice 1t
I'll II thmt. e''- aaa -
The soeisty, you us9n. does mot intsrfsrs
In the &xing Of the rate Of weekly wages
between The masters and the men No, We
hare no rule which regulates anything Df
that kind but n . I6lber believed thai be
wss NOS getting proper fess Of wages, the
aooiety wonld encourage hin in ehjeeting,
th-t Ia 10 Soy. would pay him bis bens6t
whihe cut Of employment.
TIE society, Men, take into consideration
~ part Of their duty the fixing Of the rats Of
weekly wages which each msn osght 70 OBJ
tain Z No, the society does not take that
into consideration may say that We are
those points, they rskulsts themselves, if /
:. Still you said just now thas thsy would
take IL into eonSidsratinu II nan eon-
planned, and thoaeht ks bad not that rats Of
weekly wages % which he Was entitied, how
DO they take that into oonsidsra4ionf The
naA would 70 10 tho branch 10 which hs BE-
longed. and would there state that he vas
only reoeiving q certain rate Of wages !; II
he wished to leave his employ nent he wosld
ask the questios Vi 'thsr, under the oiroum-
seanoes, he would ~ sstitlsd te what we'
call "dOnation,' thai Ia out-ef-wo5k hsse-s
Gl IL he. left the .sitestion snd in al prob;
ability the society you'd say "You eas
leave and We win par you the beneft.' or
they might cay, sWe believe you are getting
- mach 4as you ought to aexpec&r ,slr s
Mr.. Roebusk-Now les me spnt suothsss
case, Supposing that . man u3rks under
his fellows, that 10 to say under. price, and
that he is member OF the society ind sop
pesiog that man of bis eapssity usually
gets 30s., and that be, 1nder certain cirosm-
stances, is willing to take 20s., what will the
socsety do under the sircumstancess He
stands very good chance Of being ex-
Mr.. AAtthews--So that In point Of fact
the workmen Ok the rate Of wages amongst
themselves, and not the MASTERY beg par
don: IL is che employer who 6xes the rate
OF wages 70 all intents and purposes, u
should say IL 10 optional With him when
asked for an advance of wages to give It or
not. H II
-Stnl Issdessooa ron to say dat If q.
man did not gssa aa|keioA snounk ef WAGES
that 10 70 say Nhs1 he or his fsIIow-wofk- :
men considered be was worth, they would
expostuiste with tie master No, not che
soeiAey; the nan hinsslf must lock sstsr
tha&- ed .Hs'f. .nesal-st s i7 af, r.1-h "a.
Bot II man u siIling 70 work at low-
W rate Of wages than 10 hxed by the society
ne society VII prpvent him 2 We do not
mo any dimoa1ey as'to that generally speak
Ing peitase Hat snemas 10. prssty we'll
= good g another, and u ose man = paid
II. o. - less thtn another man be finds 10
ont himself, and ssys *f DO not Gee uhy 7,
sAeaid not hars - nssh - Ton, Dick, or
Harry - sz.'.s. = - s11
SspPosisg srsn ssys, al s1a willing %
teesise sn1k . rate, although Il 10 lower than
tn1t wnIcA qas been fxed,s hs . mot allow
- ~ sssts1v - q - Cwsainly not, If
- were so.tiag : sssy redssed Este.
Fsie, Il ks ~ eofEIs2 bsIsa sEs rsoSe- d i
hissd rais cf Hosfi6E, tie sams wodld ce-
60, W6ld it not We wuu1d say 20 thar
man, = Kea must lsAvs this shop We vfil
sqppese shop be What NJ .sall . s6s.
shop, that u - say. See. = veex. r. mem
Der goes and works there for So. md Il not
worth auy moro than that, we sag 70 him.
sHour better plan will be to lssye this shop
and 30 70 one where you can get that, but
do net stag hsrs Tor the purpose Of giving
Fsnsss..es.sns g q ss g the employer 20 reduce
Bpt sappoaing be xers, 10 "a int another
shoR after hs hsd bsen excladed from the
6rst, what would be the elect Of that Tie
eGecs would be simply this, that il be could
not coupaad what We call the proper rate
OF wageA h must be in consequence OF his
not beng . competent workman, and there-
fore hs could NOS remain member.
Bat b uoald be received smcng the soci-
~ men without any special annoyance
kes, We have no objeoti0n 10 work with such
men anless they have committed themselves
~ stated the ether day. Bot to explain
ths matter, here'is form the proposition
and schedule (handinE in the ssme), winch,
wAeneters Q candidate 10 proposed, has 10 be
fned 1p. That aehedQle asks number OF
oE qusstioh4 asd II sddfdon - dat he
man has to sign ais name declaring the whole
Of these things 10 Be true. II We should End
oat thai he Is not 9 competent workman We
exclude him II ,m the society. -a
Mr. Roebaek- Sapposing that non n-socisty
the same shop, do you take objection to
that J Certainly NOT, they can work for
Ms. Hnghss Thoes by-lsws .re printed,
ass they ness Tee, those by-i.~s are
Gan any nsmbsr have copy Of those, Il
1 matter &c course, on npplyirg for them
They are printed in doc1nents that be can
have, but hs viii not get thiS book which
hold ID my hand. $500 f-s
Then ths o1ly sense in which they can be
called secret fnlss u that thsy are NOS print
ed With the okbsr ruissS.. last %. - a
Sir =. Head IN what way has every nsm-
bsr COR thenf Through the publlSning el
whAi 10 oallet an abssfaot report or the bro
essdings pftfhs sxssutivs council these
Edlss ars eoppse from thas fbstrsct. .su
M. MhkhFs-Why srs they not wish
1 tke othsr rsl5ss We did not tkink IL dsui.
fkhRa ss*S kAsaas ~ atffs.t ~ ef 'sai
chairnsa b uhst bsessss sbsy n. nos
|isealf Nos ~ sslisvs sAas shsy srs psr.
81 Z. Hsan--fds not andsrsts.d yca q
explain sxsctIy v6y II Us thought d61ifablt
n0t 60 pat them into thS Other roies II
wAs thought tssfkAblS not 70 pee thsa II
&ith III oshte fqle1, % tke ground thakTwl
| have 30 notf1a X 1ftstne IL pabllo sknoH
as 10 exfSosnuso ~ 1uch rules = those d
| % leEehb 11n<uuefu14 ~ h6ov.
JEhn ~ Ah5ssf of .nok pufains. Il em int<
/ kthe dlneyy 1pAee y ~ keep the1 from th<