The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-11-26

the sousnern iaembers 10 the ssnesAi cangresa
Did he speak TO you a. sny Tina Of tue possibility
Of serious controversy between Va ana Ia
Legislative depaitmonts Of the goeernu eatf A No
O. You had conversation with the Presiaert a.
y se VIZ s sSa ~ ~ ThG . a. should avs
any ciroumslsucss thai may arsss A. No. sir
0 Have you eser had conyeuation with him pres-
aged the idea that there might b occasion for hin
to use foroo 70 MAINTAIN himself IA the sovxamsnts
A. Never.
Q. You have not represented % anybody at any
william 8. Hiiyx recalled and examined. on july
day have you examined the speech and memorandum =
which you referred A. have examined . CONDENSED
which have brought here this morning. could "a
get separate copy Of the speech but will send frs
Nav York orshs purpose Of the s1an,nasioa sAs
. van you State now. - far as you can sns
between Yourself the President an1
A. The conversation aftsr preliminary talk - reed
lecs IT, my statement Of my observation Of the tons
q Southern sentiment In reference 70 the policy Of hs
thas ossvsAon thai the Southern people cocspsd As
srms prescribed BY the President good faith that the
Inc Yasksss Sat srss, deal q respect FOR sS.% sSs
they ecc4pted the result OF the war full and nuaa
tssmissas q The rgnts q state % ssoede that shsy
WAL that ~ peopls OF the South were greatly desoss
9 fankee imasgst,cn, and that. general ruis The
n ~ Go.th untrue; rscosct quoting the orinisa
q sssssal sps4 particuiary Of General Eebster fsr
meeIy oaie q sa9 General Grant, Who has settled n
Alabama, go lion General DustAa: all these polnss
vsss ilussassd ~ essvssa.oa and discussion; thsss
we're the points nads; the question was then dis
had dcas she bad laid down her arms; declared Der
ordnance Of sscsasioa void; repealed I'll laws ncsa-
xe relations 2 the sSs5a
done what<6s North hAd failed q adopted the COO
stitutionA amendment abolishing slavery. Furlhss
Sostasra ssaiss wsrs sneisd 70 in Ca
greU - nueh - he States which were then repre-
ssasss AZ .ss se; r nigh: =
rsfsss = s6ns q personal srossds he rsSs q tss
$40 = Hprsssalasoa was equal . Ne nsh. q q
dlsoasssl a ii asrssd ssos. rs.s.sss ssasrs tsss
almoss ~ 1Est tAng every Southssn MAJ vim whom
s "a sas dn:x ny and
views = ths ssascsf how did Is and che Prssdsas|
:s.es, A sss,sss..y s...sd u ssDly .Aas
h.:ss s Sis:sssy ss a sc rrssid.as; 4 Yes.
0susrai Grant expressed q opn,oa that thsrs were
too many exceptions In the amnesty proclamation rhsI
President mads statement thsn which now rsoolss>
very DISTINCTLY that Il be was sure Of anything he w.
sure thas he desired 70 carry out the policy Of his prsds
osssor General Grant thsesupoa and during this Coz
~ ana La II which be stated that When = wrote -
letter he had authority 70 make terms Of peace tAa
hs said e bun r that sssss that the terms wsrs ven
in dstsrmining whas thsss terms were The converse
tien was then dreoad ~ the meeting of The rebel cs
3. ms hat the South should
down her arms end obey the constitution and laws a
the county a.A sccsps sas abolition q slavery :. ..
~ should make Il established law. All these things
being DONE shs entitled 70 her constitutional rGh
sion vas made 70 the opinlons Of sherman Thomas and
Sheridan. all q whon were supposed 10 agree with The
policy Of tho President Ias prs:dsni sicc made CRU
Schurx in which no stated that Mr. Schufz had gone
down South u bis desire but that he sent him down
the conversation according TO my best recollection
By Mr. THonAs-Q You State there was perfect coin
sssnsS csn.ra Grant ana sas Prssdsnss Yea
cusssd - . ths shs Of these sssses whom they Coz
Did shS srss q you taks part in that discusslca
A. That 10 my Impression, although do not nov recol
is y s Is.
/ By NJ Taos1s--o. Was the power Of Congress ovs
D he sSp,
opinion that point - 70 the power Of Congress owe
the q.sstien q reorganIzng ne soashsra States,
point thas was specially urged was, that the Sou,hseu
slaass we've entitled apprehension under the cons
tuition. 20 y scccdsscs VIA the Acceptance " "
no yos ns.a ihsl W. .atis!ed " reason Of th..
acquissesacs II rrsssaai JohnsoSfa sriangsmenlss
NO c.s q rs. q sAslF q sssE
9: Uader The government ssaD shed by him did n
eoD..ehd that nothing else was required action
enc part Of Congressf A. He claimed representa-
lives ysro enticd 70 admission without any further so
than the act Of presenting their credentials Of course
Conforming TO such qualifications Congress saw TT
Q Did che President contend that Congress ought q
ip are the past and held only responsible for tad
fssurs 4 S29's know .ha. be made tAa. argamsn.a
s. ave ss sS... Fl ~ a ss ~.
much snsisisd 70 rsprssshsaon since fas war osss'd
'oasigs - 1.......- !. .,,-.x,
shs south. Did the President say individuals OF ths
South were - much entitled 70 come In and taks thei
seats II they promised for me futurss A. Htasy ha
the qualifications prescribed by Congress.
cationsf A II they took ihs oath.
entitled seats without taking that OATH A. III
never contsnded that any individual man entitled
but that the states wsrs entitled % approximation
By Mr.. ELDKmCB-Q He took u on the ground thsy
were STATES u the Union stllf That they had nsvs
ceased 70 b States d the unoa, and therefore
titled 10 representation.
Secretary Stewards Testimony.
Mr. Secretary Seward, his testimony. denlsd thA
he had intsrfersd with the pubcsuon OF Bakers hook
He also said that he had no orders records ha
States from sntsrng upon the dsrharse OF their official
duties and orders setting aside OF Lsgis
q ss oo = ns ana sd
officers VINO could not take tho OATH The Provisional
Gevsrncrs we're paid shs salaries attached to thssr
Mr. Johnson 70 prevent the trial Of Je Davis
contrary, every time the question had been raised,
the President always appeared 70 be anxious
that Davis should % tired BY civil tribunal,
after IL decided that he nhouh be tried oy
military tribunal rhs question Is 10 The authority Il
the President 70 estAblsh State had
been discussed Mr. seward fssiing thst there ne
reason that thsrs should be ssy discusson about
By Mr.. EIDnn0s-o. In any consultation with Prcs-
DENT johnson ala he advise ssanss Of any otnsr
way attempt ~ prevent the prosecution o. Jen inv:s
for completely in the assassisation A. He never 3D.
vsed Aganst his psosscutoa for anything lac moss
In tnosltnG On The prosecution OF Jsierson
Davis for whatsvss could b lai1 70 his charge.
Csmmissisner Rollins Testimony.
Mr. n. z. Rollins Commissioner OF the Internal Rsvs-
nue. testified thai che removals In tho Internal Revenue
Department not beneficial 20 the service that few
vi the ncumbents removs Cd for incapacty ais
honesty thai he had doabs thsss removals caused
loss TO the Of many millions Of dollars inss
changes continually encouraged distisss and rectacn
combine for purposes OF fraud; there sun
once whom be would remove, bat could mot: no has
Expressed desire 10 tho Secretary 10 have the removals
msde the President the habit OF making the Ap
pointmsnts without consultng him. and Without looking
ni the records Of the ONCE there men in tue SER
vice whom no had requested DO removed many -