New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1867-11-26
PRICE FOUR CENTS.

sequent consideration My object was simply 10 bring 10
the attention of the President and Cabinet in practical
form what thought might be a possible means OF or
ganization without Rebel intervention. Mr.. Lincoln
seemed to be abOrng under the impression that thcro
must be some starting point for reorganization and that
1t could only be through the agency OF the Rebel organ
necessary. That night Mr.. Lincoln was murdered. Sui
sequenty at IN early day. the subject came under coz
sideration after the surrender Of Johnstons army.
In the Cabinet Of Mr.. johnson, the project had pre-
pared was printed and copy put in the hands OF each
member Of the Cabinet and the President 10 was some
what Altered IN some particulars ana came under discus
sion In the Cabinet the principal point OF discussion be-
ing as TO who should exercise the elective franchise
think there was difference Of opinion in the Cabinet
upon that subject The President expressed his views
The objections OF the President 20 throwing the franchise
open TO the colored people appeared to be hxed ana
think every member Of the Cabinet assented TO the ar
rangement specified in the proclamation rela-
tive TO North Carolina After that, do Sct remember
That the subject ever again discussed In the Cabinet
In regard to Booths ntermcn Mr.. stanton directed 1t
to DC made under lock and key to prevent any gonca
states that the proper time he supposed the remains
would be given TO his friends.
TESTIMONY or THE HON. JEREMIAH s. BLACK.
last reply to the question whether he prepared or had
any part In the preparation OF the veto message OF tho
Reconstruction BILL witness said There have been sew
eral communications between the President and me,
entirely private and CONFIDENTIAL some Of them relating
TO the subject indicated by your question am on record
for this opinion that wtness sworn testify before any
tribunal is bound IN conscience 10 answer question
which that tribunal declares he ought to answer that ne
is himself not judge OF what he ought TO and what
he ought not beside that you have power to compel
you insist my stating what private intercourse
took place between myself and the President upon thE
answer. But submit 10 the Committee that you ought
not press that question ask the Committee to de-
eide whether they will or not
The Committee after consultation, determined to re-
qulre the question TO be answered
AnUerIf the question relates to this paperas whole,
then answer "NO." II You mean TO inquire whether
any portion Of the paper was suggested by me; OF
Question. you examine the printed copy OF tho
me A."
what parts Of it we're prepared by youf AhSrG-L 90
not believe that can do So Some OF these eSpressos
il not quite all Of them, after being sub
mitted to the President were by him OF s1neD1 tbs
message or If had had ete blanche to write It, and
what did write it would have been much objec-
tOnate document TO the majority In Congress than Is
much more in violation Of what now be the
tmeat in Congress upon the subject but Objectionable
to me- and that class OF people IN this country VINO MINK
Of This paper~that portion of it, especially which
yzes the bill vetoedI think was used by him. out OF ma
teral that furnished freely and with less atei-
ton than any other part; everything that wrote
was toned down-whether by him or some one else 90
not know because never had communication with him
after L handed over the paper. have not seen MIN
since. , a..
"he next paragraph about trial by jury one when IL
partly mine have weakness for that portion OF the
ont being able to speak OF violation that portion OF
the Constitution without certain amount OF boiling ana
Indignation What would have written in the shape or
a message, IL allowed to take my own way woua
have been more strong Inyindlcaion OF tat rigI anu
too strong, thought suppose to be So ana mere ~
very little of 1t here and what Is mere su ABOUT v TS
OF habeas corpus and arrest without warrant Is mine
do not think, however, there Is much Inc prhsIplo
that man is to have the right 70 udaI 1s
| jury of his countrymen is to be dIsregaraep;
il is not worth while to talk OF anything else All tno
rest is but eGther ana Pte.a tnT S meAs do
the last which is long one, Is spiced concern 10
not recognize coming from me- though there are eA
Pressons scattered here ana tnere pr from he
unsettled state Of our Government Will be achSweogea
BY an and asserts the necessity OF settling by an ad
herence the Constitution or by some plan or OF
administration which will be within the CONSTITUTION,
and the admission Of representatives OF the southern
states into Congress That question about the admission
OF the Southern States members OF Congress from the
Southern States is one do not pretend To nave Wrle
on never expressed any views upon the subject except
| the general right Of States TO be represented"
estimation paper covering the entire ground Of tho
veto message substantially In what you would regard az
form the President did not require me to put j in any
particular form; he wanted me 10 pat in 49, 10
IN which we perfectly agreed which did for instance
I'm the first paragraph the paper which wrote might
no understanding that il 20 be done it was dis
tncty understood that he was to change alter or modify
@ This work was done by yOq on the request Of the
President, was T. Yes s may say Il was as done at
% Won did not volunteer your servicesl No, Sir.
o. When as far as you recOlec did you first converse
with the President upon this subject treated In tho
Messagel A. In the Fall of 1860 VI.
when the troubles first broke out, happened to coincide
i'm our opnions exactly. IapprOyed OF his course very
fulIy i'm the Senate, and he did OF mine as member
OF the Executive Administration. We had some
LITTLE conversation at that time, and possibly
took some little fancy for one another
i'm consequence Of agreement OF opinion; saw some
thing OF him again Just before he went TO Tennessee soon
after the Inauguration Of the Administration ana We
agreed then; after the war saw but little or
him. after lie became President did not see nm Tor
three or four months and then perhaps wonl not nave
seen him except for the fact that friend OF his induced
me 70 believe that he would be glad me; did
him and conversation which we had spoke only or
public questions and OF dangers which regarded tho
country exposed to- from that time 10 tbs We nave
never spoken upon any other subject that know OF
am unable recall single conversation between nm
nd me upon any subject but what related TO the pubho
affairs OF the country occasionally or course, We would
sneak of men in connection with 1T
% Have YOU at any time within the last two years had
any conversation with the President upon the question
whether the XXXIXth Congress was constitutional
organization, or mott A. Never; L considered that u
closed question with him.