The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-03-16
THE DERBY CABINET.
Omcinl Rupture ON the Reform Question.


OmcinI Rupture ON the Reform Question.
From the London Star, March Al
The rupture in the Cabinet which we anticipated has
taken place.
refuse to far in the way of lowering the suf
rnge as their colleagues in the Ministry and therefore
SATURDAY. at which the proposed Reform bin was il IA
understood the chief topic OF discussion and the ma
jority OF the Cabinet were inclined 10 their places
by meeting the wishes OF the liberal party as TO tho
borough franchise the three Ministers whom we have
named rendered their RESERVATIONS Whether the
mcnt will be able to patch up its Cabinet and with
the work processes 10 have taken into hand remains to
be seen.
1t has been stated that Sir Stafford Northcote was to
60 to India the OF Sir J. Lawrence This il
very unlikely Sir Stafford Northcote Ia the few
members OF the Cabinet in whom the party have CONT
in the House of Commons to take post for which,
far as we are able TO judge he is not emnenty fitted
From the London Star. March s.
In the House or Lords last night the Earl OF Derby
made statement in reference to the Ministerial din.
culties. It amounted TO this The Cabinet in deter.
mining 70 deal with reform, had two alternative
plans. To one OF these two OF the members Of the
Cabinet objected altogether, but at length gave re-
uctant consent 10 the other That other stated
to tho House Of Commons and was approved by
nobody Thersupon the Cabinet reconsidcred its pro-
posais ana though the adoption OF the moro enlarged
plan involved the sacrifice OF three colleagues that
Sscrilce determined upon. Lord Carnarvon fol-
lowed with explanation in tho course of which he
said that he should not have objection to household
suffrage in all boroughs with than certain popula-
ton make tho franchise alike in large and small
places abborren 70 him. Earl Granville and Earl
Grey continued the discussion and the Es. OF Derby
wound it up with speech in which he justified the
course taken by the Ministry.
In tho House of Commons there much anxiety
cvinced hear what be said about the question
OF reform and the Ministerial difficulties Before the
time when public business usually begins every seat in
the BODY of the House occupied and the galleries
were fairly filled. Viscount Cranborne came into the
House at twenty minutes past four o'clock and took his
seat tho front bench below the gangway tho gov
eminent side General Peel did not arrive until later,
and then he brought up some papers He took his seat
on the Ministerial BENCH and intended to have made his
statement In respect to the estimates. This, how
he did not succeed in doing, and his career as
Minister Is now probably closed On the motion for
going into committee OF supply the CHANCELLOR OF
THE ExcuEouEH got up, and in a speech which
lasted only few minutes made statement. Since
he last spoke the subject Of reform the f:icTy 81
the Cabinet had determined 10 to their original
policy as to the franchise 10 boroughs and no regretted
that his had led to the resignation OF three OF his col
manner 10 oss Of General Peel he said arrangements
had been made which, II they met with the approval OF
her Majesty. would enable him to state on Friday that
Lord Derbys Cabinet was complete. II would be pro-
posed that the Reform bill should be brought in Mon
day the 18th inst He should ask the House TO read the
bill second timc tho Monday following, and
Is possible 10 20 into committee and Sit de die in diem
until the bin was got throneh
the House For o few m0mena At last, however. Mr.
Berna Osborne found his voice, and insisted that the
House should be told Of the circumstances which
specially "a appealed s q Lord cranbo but bis ordshp
replied that he had not her &alesys permssi:g g re-
what sS sss Ss s9
had been in dealing with this question: and urged that
there should be no more OF them. He did not wish
given TO fairly considering the bill which might he
proposed; but there must be no mistake about the
measure. II must he Straightforward. or course it
newfangled. II must not be scheme which, with the
semblance Of giving bad the reality OF taking away.
iavng thus given notice to the Chancellor OF the Ex
chequer Mr. Gladstone passed TO another subject and
the debate was not continued
Later IN the evening, however, Mr. Bernal Osborne
returned 10 the charge He complained that tho infor
nation which had been refused IN the House OF Com
mons had been given in tho House Of Lords The Chan
celor OF the Exchequer not 10 be moved however
Until he knew what had taken place in the House OF
Lords he would make no further statement Here the
matter ended.
From the London STAR March OIL
The House Of Commons was enlivened by explanations
from Mr.. Disrae, General Peel and Lord Cranborne
to the recent sccessous from the ministry, and bv
further scnsson OF the whole question, in which Mr.
Lowe, Mr. Gladstone, Mr.. Horsnan, Lord Stanley and
amounted briefly to this-that Lord Derby, convinced
by the reform demonstrations held in the course OF the
autumn, had to the conclusion that he must deal
with reform and deal with II on extended basis Mr..
Disrae himself agreed With that proposition when the
Cabinet met proposals were laid before 1t in accordance
with Lord Dcys DESIRE Those proposals seem to have
been objected 10 by the obstructive members OF the Cab
net and finally the proposal made on the 2Sh Of Febru
airy was agreed to compromise That proposal met
with 90 favor anywhere Therefore Lord Derby reverted
his original proposition, which TO be household
suffrage with plural voting OF some kind
version of the affair General Pees speech was particu
lariy amusing He prepared to bear the taunts Of
those who might recall his speeches OF last year. and he
prepared undergo the severe punishment Of
going into the lobby In favor Of reform measure but
he could consent TO the bill which the Cabinet had
now determined bringing In. Lord Cranbornc was
still explicit and gave heightened statement OF
the painful inquiries which he had made before he came
to the conclusion that no must decline TO acccp, Lord
Derby'p proposal
Mr. Gladstone commented vcrv freely upon the
speech OF the Chancellor Of the ESchequcr and con-
tended that he had right any time to assume that
the opposition would be willing to infer from the present
government any measure which would be less extensive
than that which the late proposed last year
Mr.. loves speech . bitter wall over his present
isolation, and his betrayal by the tories whom be had
helped into power last year. He had come 10 the
conclusion that the Chancellor OF the Exchaquer
and Nv. Bright had formed coalition and
this fancy OF his own he took great pains TO
denounce. Mr. Hoffman denounced the government for
their democratic tendencies and brought Lord STAN
ley who said IL was great mistake TO suppose that the
government were going 10 bring In measure containing
proposals such an those Mr. Bright had made. Mr.
Bright followed, and humorously demolished the theory
Of coalition between himself and the Derby govern
ment Having disposed OF his assailant, he concluded
brief speech, with exhortation the House TO enter
manfully and frankly tho work OF passing n R0-