The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-08-05
TIE REFORM BILL.

The Debate in the House of Lords-Enrl Grey
on the New English Franchise and Con.
stitution OF the United States-ProGress of
the People md Fears of the Peers-Every.
ching "Gigantic'' and ''Gignntic Down.
faIp'-Scnator Wade's Speech Cited Against
the PeopIe-Wiii the Aristocrats Jump Out
of the Window be Kicked Down stairs go
During the debate in the House OF Lords on the
Reform bill, on the 22d of July, Earl GREY said:-
: And yet you are going deliberately to hand
representation of the English boroughs, and are
ahus going to make on enormous addition to The
power OF numbers as compared with the power Of pro-
circumstances weight would ask. lie 10 safe
to hand TO this one class supreme political powers
the people Of England am told that their inten-
lions 90 good that We need not fear the conse.
peopIe have the knowedee and the experience to en-.
able in all to through the arts OF those
who presume to lead them to exercise sound and wise
discretion in the choice OF representatives in the FUTURE
and to send up to the House Of Commons men who
will perpetuate its high character deberave and
legislative assembly Ny lords cannot forget that tho
man who has been the instrument promoting the out
RACES committed by the most atrocious criminal that
ever lived was the trusted representative not only
dvdua trade societies. but OF large unions OF them and
these including some Of the best workmen In England
entirey acquit the members Of those sscieies gener
ally Of criminal participation IN the wul murders that
committed believe those guilty OF such partici
patton were very small minority; but
ave to my mind as to the liability Of these classes
70 DO unduiy influenced by unworthy men.
say further than that at this moment their principal
and their most trusted advisers II are to judge from
what has appeared in the newspapers, are men who,
although would acquit them OF crimnaiy. are imbued
with notions with respect TO the interests OF Working
men, and what is calculated 70 bomote them, Witch, II
would &c fsisY 10 the prosperity. the peace and Tie
which his bill will create il appears TO to be i'm
possible that there DO tho part OF electors any
They cannot be chosen on account OF the confidence
with which they have personally inspired the majority
OF tho electors The result viii be that the elections will
be turned in o very different manner from what they
bsen. nrmiy believe that the cost OF elections
win be very greatly increased by tho creation Of
such Constituencies and that In them recourse
win be had 70 Improper means by candidates to iugra
ale themselves with electors THE noble earp voice.
mich Ia. iS sasSZ SPs Gt sS' Sss Gg
catch than occasional sentence completely, and
consequently nothing be reported beyond the gene
d oos se cSans. IN The
ston OF the House OF Commons Possibly the mon who,
under the existing system had acquired the confidence
OF their country would continue TO retain 1t and 10
be reelected; but a. these dropped OF others Of
different stamp would be chosen and he looked forward
re noble lord alluded 70 wha. had been published hs.
aa3 respecting the deterioration Of the Legislature Of
hs PT2 Victoria and referred a. some Length 70
BY moving tho resolution Of which be had given
notice. .-~-ss4s.s...Ax sz-.xs.-. :.
uhc London Tres and London Herald report the con.
GLIDING and most important portion OF his lordships
address thus:-The noble earl, who had now been
speaking for upwards OF hour and had for the last
quarter OF an hour become hoarss az 20 BE- uninf.
b underwood 70 that their process OF dstsro-
alton had already taken place the colony OF Victoria
md - the United States OF America owing to the OK.
sd Of tie lowering OF the suffrage Their ordships
ndulged the noble earl for considerable interval,
Vhe he attempted 10 his By the free use
Il water and apparently jujubes, but TO little effect
ne noble earl therefore, at once concluded by moving
FAR CAasARvos in the course Of his address said -.
- rhs borough franchise - very low; 70 Is also
sbsoluteiy uniform Il Is low TO degree; lower-T speak
tnder correcton-even than the suffrage proposed by
II. Bright eight nine years ago Certainly, on Mr..
Ighrs own showing, loicer nan ne et.ctorm Jran-
fhi0 IN TIE Unifed State. II 10 lower again, tnan the
electoral suffrage In any one Of the British coienes VI
COURSE child that the result OF such lowering
the franchise 70 70 dsiranchiss IN two ways II ais.
franchises, arst directly by the swamping process u
sfranchses secondly Indirectly, but az surely because
se know from certain experience that when you
M sns nsnc Gown beyond 's saucs yS
,lasses TO take any part In the elections You
regret that; you may say 10 is sign OF moral de
zoe to you statesmen n you wlfuy shut your eyes
the fact Hear, hear Il s not that object 10 the
franchise because 10 Is low. have never personally
,hse and for this reason, because In my opinion th'
vokng classes have had that dstinct voice ih,
representation o. the country which, think, u woalt
souid have. | think the absence OF that distinc
representation has been an evil and I prefer Il
rstiou, that they should have . distinct voice. Blu
ihere Is obviously q difference between this and IN
tsnera abassmeni OF the suffrage In all the boroughs
ocsl circumstances. l object 70 tina, uniformity
md object 70 note merely because
"Trip, the pebble n.., NE .n,o q sDslana Of :. n.
,ssn It's glory for generations past. but because
seem, 10 me 70 be eminently dangerous Ny ords, n
nsmber that heneeforwarl 10 every one Of these bo
are sd larger dinnsous and tbs character Of thos