The daily dispatch. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1884, 1867-11-27
49,. chase " the aIilitary-Dctcctiyc Baker
Rctaii> scandal.

~,. rrarral public viii have a higher OPT
....s t5r#yra, Grants good sense and firm
.. ,4r ,aav ever had before after reading
...n-.ure before the Judiciary Committee.
r... ...rs.-. rul and dogged restoration OF hi.
....r. shat neither General Lee nor any
...-.slG.ur could be tried FOR treason was
.....m-Iy dista>tc.ul 70 the committee. We
.,anaew The main points of.thr General 5
....moav. omituns the paragraph we pub
...aa yesterday
eENENAr GRANTS TESTIMONY.
ra-scsceu the President very frequently in
rnuce - SIC condition Of affairs in the rebel
Safe, When I was asked 20 hc 1T 4 Cabinet
......r. j, NyaS because some question was NJ
r,t4eh. as q eucrIl Of the Army, I was in
....,...i am not aware ufany interview with
... p.,-. dent on amnesty. i have CcCaS ionally
commended person for amnesty. / thought
r.,>a.i at that lime that there was no reason
..y ,ngnrsr = person had risen 10 the rank OF
..antrIl ~" should be excluded from amues, '
a.. mere ta;tu one who had failed TO reach
.a.tr,u6. ! spoke that point. l did no
... mach reason for The 80. COO clause These
-. Cd" only TWO points that J fcmem Der tC
save spoken at st the tim". l afterward
.g-Er. told him that l thought he was
3
s.s / wag present when the prociama tior
raad in Cabinet, bat my views We're not
s.tt. ! never gave amy opinion 10 the Presi.
s.t that i would be better At that time &c
..te proclamation OF general amnesty.
#..NtlrEL Did yuu ever give Your opinion tC
President that his proclamation iuterfcrcd
the supuI.litons between yourself and
a"yai L"rt
..fr.z..-No, sir l frequently had 10 inter
...a for General Lee and other paroled
ars, on The ground that their parole, so
a-as they obeyed the laws of the United
~.sr>. projected them from arrest and trial.
Sd. President 1T that time occupied exactly
nr~.aua .rouuds--Yi2., That they should be
.r..I .al punished. Hc wanted 10 know when
..uwr would come thar they should be pun
..aa. told him NOT so long ~ they obeyed
laws and complied with the stipulation.
..ar ~aS The ground took.
e. Dli YOU not also insist that that applied
.uuI 10 the common solder
Il g.; course: - applied to every one whC
... the iwTo.", but that matter WAS not can
s..sa. "Nrnpt in case Of some Of the leaders )
H.t ,U.lg IL surrcndcring their armies and
..#s ,Hry had done what they could not all OF
Natr been compelled 10 do, as 4 portion
...aau. could have escaped, but they surreu-
..atH consideration OF the fact that they
w.nu 40 T." exempt from trial 50 long us they
lsrEeI 10 Ill" Obligations they bad taken
-. .l"v.werr entitled 10 that.
e. You looked on that IN the nature OF u
w-..u ANA held that they could only be tried
unu they violated that parole? a. 1cS
'... Was 'h"Ni"w took of the question.
u. tNar Is Your View Still: y. Is, sir
ua#"s>. toaably.
K Did YOU understand that 20 apply TO
General Lee \. Certainly.
VI. That was your undcrS landing OF the
...-emrn, which YOU made with General
L.. 4 That was my understanding OF III
.... -am"n, which | gave voluntarily. Gene,
l..> "ruv was I'll" first 10 surrender, anu
H#H.wG tklt With such terms al the repel
r. wnulU surrender, and that we would
..#..n,"Ig discriminating and continuation
#.a ...,!. in a way thaj we would make very
...|. progress with, having no organized
.a..- o. meet
~ Eur considered that the like terms were
..aaa by General Sherman 10 the armies
#..4 -arr"udcrcd to him? "A. cS, sir; ;tn'
'.. (. the armies that surrendered aller tiaI
F.. NUa YOU held that 50 long as theS KEEP
..uH nlro,c of honor snd uhrycG the iaW'
..s .v.r" no. subject to be tried by COURTS
s. That is my opinion, ,giH state here thGt
af 3,lif. c.st@i" rhtnttr ~" oc'"y tFte" :"
...#. a.tay tried tyths gtr St.DRS nSt,d.
81. En4r.f,e-l am not trying anybody.
n.muulriug rs 20 The Presidents rroclamA
"... rtui TO the views he entertained Dl'
... give these views 10 the President?
a...,.gT Cyga' i have stated those views |,
.... President frequently, aud, rs have said
I-..,I. ON IL that the leaders must be punished
.s wanted 10 know when the time Woul'
IN" that those persons touI" ue ileo' 'oi'
m when they violated lh"ir ,i!oi"'
-. Dld you consider mat that alpiitcu -
al DAVIS ~ No, 81 ''c "a" NV ''"' -
role.
He did not surrender? A. No, sir.
"hrd !" II" peISo" VINO "'s '''l''"' :"
nose VINO N'Ie pf'ol'"' C,o,or,
(. pIu me teS,',en' i'''ts I'm
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."'.1 T"H'1"i - nay : ,;'i 'ISist.d -,
.'a m sHvh q tfia! y. Gu ,, S,,rran
>."st 'iv!.ei'li ~ 49,, th,ir arms
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"l'.'S'" ~ 80. ,.I,,, ,,,d h"nn.d
.~ ~ o1 wy .r. ,,,,,,i ..n,,iy.,I.ui for IN
=" 80 u '.'! = ,t,,iIraiI ,hpir arm
'.,,..'.. Indar control hOnut
-'..'"-. 80 ;,,.,- ,ha laws That wa
"." a." ~ 49, ! ;nsist.d unon w
'"">t.'s, ''''0'' - '''N''
".' 90 ,,.-:.,a,. .r,,r. ,bo- nuastio,
A'.' "a. ~, y, = ~ an ,rrurnpu
49," ~" ~. W. " I, 49,.
w. ~ II Vs. ny - - ,.our oniuiO,
,.''. -" - IN. ,:nug A No
-..'. .. '"" ne ," tt',I 'c, ~ ,cropiu,
'@0 men. ne 81 va " - ~ ,ls,imed I'm
'..' ". 90 'lt, ~ 80 r,,,sor,rs any uoIitica
l"'''' ~''' -. ~, ~, vrrs .
t,"-lrr,.ss over which
. '",.! ..tS, ~, s,,Tnly ~ General in
* .'' ohIIoi M, .',''IE had right {,
-T-. con- ,!,e 80 m tcr,rs Thicl
20 - 49, ;C an ! claimed
,,.''a'... hon, nrnrrcIicn and exemp
.'.le go ,'i'''' IN n;Irnres not II
.......'... a.. rn,. rmlas of civilized warfare SC
.a.a. lbr.r p,troln WAS kept
u. Hor.uu rccollect at what time you h"t
.a-sp conversations Cam you state any par
....i..r mn, ~, IN, 10 amy particular time
s.4aa l4gv were. tiuishedy A. The converse
Hnas wrr. frequent after The Inauguration OF
Sir. johnson. / cannot give the time. III
-eela.u lo he anxious 10 get a. the leaders u
.-..4 ,A.Ha. lie woGld say thar tue ieauel
.A~ r.nr!loa must be punished, and tina
..rs-.W must b. made odious. He cared no
-.a, tur the men in the ranks, the common
H.ra. he would let them 40, for they We're Ice
a..., ag,.r leaders
a. Wa,.rbal.uyipr or subsequent 10 his pro
.r........... :, I...,upnr | think.