The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-07-30

Mr. Di5YAeh rose ana everybody eS9 Dent vorwafu W
listen As he stood with folded arms. waiting for the
tremendous cheering which greeted him subsde, ne
looked weared but triumphant, like who hu sue
cessuly reached the end Of long and difficult task
without any preface he began BY sayng;-.'sir. tho
debate Of this evening commenced with whst may bs
described as two very violent speecss-that speeches
very abusive OF before the and Of tho
Ministers who have introduced it I am more anxious
10 vindcats tho than to defend the Ministry
But necessarily happens in questions OF this cbarac
ter which occupied the attention Of Paramers for
long term Of years. that it is perhaps impossible to dis
tinguish the from the Ministry" He then
marked that 1t very easy for Lord Cranborns 70
quote ambiguous expression from old speech Of
Lord Derby and to cite small passage in q speech
made by Mr.. Dsraeli in 1885; but to at Just
judgment Of the conduct Of public and the charac
of the they PROPOSE is necessary to take
ger and fuller views Mr. Disrae then proceeded to
state that 1862 when the conservatives succeeded to
Office the question Of reform considered and at that
time with full authority OF Lord Derbys government
he had said to Parliament that OF reform
could be deemed satisfactory which did not remedy the
great fault of the settlement of 1892 As many OF the
members of the Cabine. of 1852 members of the
present Cabinet Mr. Dsrae argued that the expressions
Of Lord Cranborne aud Mr. Lowe could not for moment
be justified Again. in 1858, 1t was proposed in Lord
Derby's Cabinet that the borough franchise should be
founded upon the principle Of household suffrage That
proposition adopted, but was not opposed on
any political grounds Whatever difference might have
existed the Cabinet the question OF establishing
the borough franchise the principle of rated
household suffrage there difference upon one
point: the Cabinet OF 1859 unanimous, after the
deepest deiberaton ana with tho advantage Of very
large information upon the subject that totally
cA NH ch
existed unless they had recourse to household suf-
fmge Upon that conclusion they acted, and he
at loss to discover in the conduct OF
public who have acted in this way. any foundation
for the somewhat frantic attacks Of Mr. Lowe and the
bitter though moro tempeately expressed criticisms OF
Lord Cranborne Since 1859 all leaders and parties have
failed in dealing with the reform question Lord Rus
SELL Lord Aberdeen, Lord Palmerston and Lord Derby
successfully failed; and the present government came
into office after fresh failure by Lord Russell 'It is
said continued MIR. Disrae, s'that have brought
forward measure stronger than the we opposed
II that we're the 1t is argument against our
measure 1t be adapted to the requirements Of the tme
Having deal with this question, and being in office
with large majority against u.s. and knowing that min
listers Of all colo OF parties and politics, with great ma
ortes had failed deal with successfully. and be-
evng tina. another failure would be fatal not merely
If
the country resolved to settle it il could. Under
the circumstances OF difficulty In which found
ourselves and which tho House found itself, and in
which tho country and the sovereign also found them
selves the only mode of arriving at settlement to
take House into counsel with Us, and by united
efforts the frank communication of ideas to attain
satisfactory solution OF the difficulty. You have all CO.
operated with u.s. and 1t Is by your frank and cordial
cooperation that have arrived third reading TO-
night"
His manner growing more animated as he continued,
Br. Disrae reviewed the speeches OF Lord Gran
borne and Mr. Lowe in detail He showed that the re-
stricons Of the original bill had been given up not at
the mperous demand of Mr. Gladstone, but at the de-
mand Of the conservative party The dual VOTE the two
years residence the fancy franchiscs-thsre is not
security proposed By the that has not been
objected to by the conservative party. Instead Of
the government leading the party. the party has
always In advance Of the government Instead OF
hurryng the party into the abyss Of danger 1t was With
great difficulty they could be kept back When he found
that twenty.sx considerable divisions upon this bill
MIR. Gladstone had voted eighteen times against the
government he could not the evidence Of that mpe
rious dictatiou OF which much had been said. The
laughter and cheering which accompanied these telling
hits uproarious; but both laughter and cheers
became ronical when Mr. DsreaIi contended that the
OIL was IN narmOuy Beuere pOuCy WuiCu tuo
conservatives had always maintained To this Mr..
Disraeli responded. "This is question: he
said, spritedly, (which can't DO settled BY jeer
laugh but by facts and by facts and results which many
Of you deproca,s and deplore at this moment and
in consequence Of which you tell as that
you mean to reopen the asation-a thing which defy
you TO do" Then, after claiming that in the chief
points of the BILL in the redistribution OF seats and In the
representation Of the reform embodied
the cardinal principles for which the conservatives had
always struggled, Mr.. Dsraeli paused moment and
then suddenly turned upon the unfortunate Mr. Lowe,
who had escaped unwhipped during all tho other de-
bates upon the BILL and whose mercless satire had
tanly invited retaliation. "well" said Mr.. Disrael,
but there right honorable gentleman who has to-
night told that he 10 moi prophet but who for half
hour INDUCED In series Of tho most dolefu vatici-
nations that were over listened to. Qaughter.j He
says that everything Is ruined and he begins with the
House Of Lords Such singular catalogue OF political
catastrophes and such q programme Of tho injurious
consequences Of this legislation never heard The
right honorable gentleman says There Is the House Of
Lords 1t is Of the slightest now and what do
think will happen to IL when this DILL passes" Hear
and laughtet) That was his argument. Well, my
opinion is il the House Of Lords Is In the position
which the right honorable gentleman describes pre-
sent-and am far from admitting THAT 1t Is very
likely that the passing Of this bill will do the House Of
Lords a great deal OF good. think the increase Of
sympathy between the great body Of tho population OF
tho country aod their natural leaders will DO more
likely incits the House Of Lords TO action and 70
increased eGors deserve and the gratitude
and good feeling Of the nation But says the right
honorable gentleman, what most terrible about the
business Of carrying this bill the treachery that has
been committed Hear, hear, and iaugh.) What
want TO know from the right honorable gentlsman is
when did the reachcry begin' The right honorable
gentleman thinks that measure OF Parliamentary re-
form act oftrcachery in consequences Of what took
place last year. vhen N, self perfectly ignorant Of
those mysterious asssmblagss and those councils Of
which be has tonight given . description. But II .
compact sstsrsd into Last year, when We were In
opposition. that no measure Of Parliamentary reform
pass ay proposal with tba. object 70 DO made
by US why then ne noble Lord the member for Stamford
and his friends guilty Of trsachsry ws who sit
on these benches Hear, hear) Really should have
supposed that he right honorable gentleman would