The Orangeburg news. [volume] (Orangeburg, S.C.) 1867-1875, 1867-12-07
SATURDAY Y I'M ORNING,, DECEMBER q, 1867.
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leges or rights .y7f,,y 40ii,.i. Il, .y.ttas,,i.
/ BY Mr.. Boutwell, @. How recently has the
President expressed to you the opinion that
Gen. Lee or Others who had tho benefit of pa
role, should be tried and punished i,!,, ~
A. Not since aboutlt two years.iiila 70 ie
pa a. Havo you at any ti1no heard the presis
dent make any remark ii reference to she ad,
mission Of members Of Congress from the rebel
States into either House 7i'9aa 4ohi- ,.Rilao
A. I cannot say positively what I have
heard him say on that subject. I have heard
him say as much perhaps, in his published
speeches last summer as l ever heard him say
at all upon that subject; I have heard him say,
and, think have heard him say twice in his
speeches that if the North carried the elections
by members, enough to give them, with the
Southern members, q majority, why would they,
rot be the. Congress of the United States /,
have heard him say that several times
BY Mr.. Wiliams-Q. When you say "the
North you mean the Democratic party of the
North; or, in other words, the party fayoring
his policy ? ,., Il.
A.. mean if the North carried enough
members i'll favor of the admission Of the South
did not hear him. say that he would recog-
nizc them ms a Congress- l merely heard him
ask the question, .'Why would they not be the
Congress p I heard him say that, in one or
two speeches; do not recollect where. 81
BY Mr.. Boutwell,. %. Have you heard him
make remark kindred to that elsewhere?
| A. Yes. have heard him say that aside
from his speeches, in conversation Cannot
say just when. 1t was probably about the
same time, ~ a. I t.,i 4ial
Q. Have you heard him at any time make
any remark or suggestion concerning the le-
gality of Congress with the Southern members
| excluded? tif }ts''t 30 i,,ll
a. He alluded to tl:at subject frequently on
his tour to Chicago and back last summer.
His speeches were generally reported with con-
| siderable accuracy; cannot rccollect what lie
! said except i'll general terms, but read his
speeches 1T the time, and they were reported
with considerable accuracy do not rccollect
. . = i Ia +. -
having heard him say anything private on the
subject specially. l never heard him alludc to
the Executive Department of the Government.
never heard Kim make any remark looking to
the controversy between the Executive and
| Congress l9tsi@H
@. Were you present when this North Caro-
lima proclamation was read in Cabinet
A. 1 would not be certain but am of opin-
ion that the first time heard it read was ia pre-
sencc Of the President and Secretary Of War
only
g. Did you assent to that plan?
4. l did not dissent from it; it was civil
matter, and although I was anxious to have
something done, | did not intend to dictate a
plan. know that imme-
diatcy after the close of the rebellion there
was very fine feeling manifested in the South.
and thought We ought to take advantage of
it as soon as possible, but since that, there has
been an evident change there. may have
expressed my views to the President. do not
recollcct particularly. | do, not suppose that
thore were any persona engaged in that consul
tatiou who thought Of what was being done at
that time as lasting any longer than Congress
met and either ratified that or established some
other form of government. know it never
crossed my mind that what was being done was
anything more than temporary. | understood
this to be the view Of tho President and of
everybody else. did not know of any diff
ference of opinion on the subject lie was
very anxious to have Congress to ratify his
views Mr. Lincoln prior to his assassination
had inauguratcd policy intended to restore
these governments. was present once, before
his murder, when plan was read. The plan
adopted by Mr.. Johnson was substantially the
planw hhad been inaugurated b. Mr. Lincoln
as the basis for his future action. do not know
that it was verbatim the same. think the
very paper which heard read twice while Mr.
Lincoln was President, was the one which was
carried right through
Q. What paper was that?
~. The North Carolina proclamation.
@. You understood that Mr.. Lincoln's plar
was temporary, to be either confirmed or q now