The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-07-25

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result OF your expedition will have been 10 aggranse
beyond measure that america e strength of Saich vas
alreddy mofT Of anriey 10 you. as proved 81 q
the finances OF France and have made OF her boot
use which must weigh your conscience (sxcamatias
and murmurs have right to say that In free COM
try you would be impeached Loud interruption; cies
OF "Order, Order" |" Enough enough" "The closely
Tho Marquis D'HAvRISCoURr-lt Is those whsso
speeches nave been OF service to Juarez that ought DE
brought 10 trial
The PREslDEyr-Monsicur Jules Favre, must remind
you nat the exaggeraon OF tho language proves always
me weakness OF the arguments. loud applause;
the speaker Is covered by the uproarl
Several hEMaERsThe last words OF the speaker wsro
not heard.
The PnEsDEsr-I declare for my part, did not hear
Several voicEs-No one did
Aoniteur.
n. JulEs FAvRE-If that is the case-(resh uproar;
The PRslDsSr- Gentlemen, please TO give me an ex-
ample OF the moderation invite the speaker to observe
and there Is where the Moiteir which should
produce our de6aos Is naiia ed by the wH Of the person
benches to the left of the speaker II. Jules Favre
then Quilted the trbune.)
The PREspEsr-I cannon allow these observations Of
M. jules Favre to pass without remark. The merit,
the right and the duty Of the Monitear consist Ia
being exact; and TO DO exact everything that passes
mere must be reported Now the words alluded 10 were
not heard either By tho Chamber by tho President.
e,Ihat Is tho rath!n Agtaticn)
The PnEsrpssr-if n. jules Eavre reads the aoaiteur
tomorrow morning he will find there reported many
attacks which abstain from characerizng
there.
A number of members demanded the CLOSE Of tho
discu;son
b. THIsRs requested permission to oier two observa
lions. aud said he would DO briof, FIRST as TO tho
statement 81 the Minister. that spain and England had
formally declared that they had no other object than 10
redress the wrongs niloIed upon subjects in
NJ have Tho tOnrs-. nrda
issued by tho English aud the Spanish governments alb
soluIely prohibiting march upon the city OF Mexico
and have the letter written BY aaTral y;aren de ID
Gravere to General Prm announcing that the object of
the expedition TO advance upon the capital and there
to establish monarchy. The frs, ODe.aton was there.
fore only prefer for ne sc's.a O'arlad movemenlsl
As to the financial asnc, OF tho question presented to
US, ham am o!up TO say That the cost OF the expedition
n =" eeen SIX hundred not three hundred millions and
W LAT amount must be added three hundred millions
more subscribed to Mexican loans In Franco. protest
against the accounts Of this expenditure which have
bcnches.)
NJ. RotHhR-I maintain tho absolute accuracy Of tho
nsureI furnished 70 the CommIeo en- the Budget and
DO prepared to reivte them applause cries of TO-
morrow tomorrow, y '.rhe close, the close'l
NJ. EMILE OLIVIER observed that there were other
questions Of interest to be discussed besides that Of Mex
ico and If the general debate noH closed he would
M"s Of So s e o.
NJ RoUHER declared that he had no objection to that
course.
pronounced, and the sitting was brought to a close
Lord Stanley on EnaIand's Diplomatic Posi-.
ton in Mexico.
Tn thu Hon ,e OF Commons, the 18th OF July. Sir L.
PAX asked the Secretary Of state for Foreign Affairs
whether his intention to take any steps to record
the opn ion of the luse Of Commons tho murder OF
the Enperor Maximili..u and his Generals
Lord STANLEy--Sr it - not the intention OF her Ma
to ask Ss h91ss TO ssso amy ssDs
(Iearl am sure oil symlathizo with his feelings,
and every one, think, will agrce In lamentng the vio-
e mt and unmelv death Of gallant aud amabe gentle
an. whose high spirit and enterprise, under happier
circumstances might have rendered him distinguished
cit her battle fields In the councils OF Europe
RI ear hear} Bus If we are asked to resord Judgment
Of this House upon his execution ! confess ! see
come to any such resolution, or how we
can discuss It without entering into
general debate upon the merits and policy OF tho Mexi
can expedonnto the position and stans Of that UNI
fortunate prince, and the right ly hieh he claimed the
circumstances would Think have necessary and very
material effect on our judgment do not think this
that kind (hcar hoar) especially is which
great difference Of opinion might arise (Hcar) Then,
again, comes the question OF precedent We might
think If accepted my honorable fronds suggestion
set precedent which might embarrass US very moon
the FIRST case. and, unhapply it is not likely to be
the last when the triumph Of ono party, after
iamonsa6s and ssngainsry act Of revenge. Are We in
all these cases to ake notice OF such acts In this house
to DO 50 regard 70 them all on wha principle are we
to draw distinctions That ts a question which tho
house would nave 70 consider Ana Lastly SIR would
are our power and our influence zoe are the Parliament
Of he United Kingdom, and not ps Parliament Of ths
,cvid CHEERS, We In sense responsible, d.
recty or ind recty for tho amentsbe event which has
occurred; and think 1t very doubtful whether habit
OF international criticism In Parliamentary debate would
be found practically useful conduce good under
Standing between nations. (Cheersl
Mr. OrwAY wished to ask the noble lord whether her
Majesys Minister accredited to the late Emperor Of
Mexico Is al present in England and WHETHER after
the statement reccntly made by the Primo Minister
the execution Of the Emperor Macmillan was "a base
cruel and unnecessary murder" y Is the intention OF
her Msjesiys government. 70 advise her Majesty to
republic. or to withdraw her legation from Mcxicos
Lord sIANEy-It Is true that her Majesty 8 Minister
England leare. HIS duty discharged during his
absence by the secretary of Legation acting a,
credited 10 the Iae Emperor, and srTh The dsr,h
Of Ma, unfortunate Prince his credentds lapse. No
his withdrawal This gentleman had received befors
this liable event occurred instructions not formally
os 10 % s n hs Or
throw Of tho Mexican empire, but to conlne himself.
any matter which might arise affecting British In
forests. The question whether anybody should be
accroded the government OF President Juarez Is not
think, on which we arc called 70 decide In haste or
under the influence OF temporary feelings. (Hear,
hear We hardly VI kpop ,oha ia tie real sac Of Mcseo,
,uhaf are tAe chances Of p0cr being psrmasea Upon
that ground-seting aside altogether what has lately
happencd-I should object to any prscipitate suspen
sion Of diplomatic relations with Mexico. But ~
TO the permanent suspension OF thos, diplomatic
relations, the objection to that course is think,
very obvious one. 1t would do no hurt or only very
LITTLE TO the Mexican sovernmentfor Tteliecs hs prn
cpat business Of British Mintr ia MEXICO Is 20 mr0e
up n thai gorernm1,f various Brbih claims 10 uhici
e not pehdp, very acceptable % them 70 istn. II would
do no harm to that government TO suspend diplomatic
relations with them but 1t would DO serious thing
for British interests and for those British subjects who
have claims upon them. Hear, hoar.) They arc not
responsible for the late deplorable proceedings and do
not think would be fair TO punish them for Thorn.
(Cheeral
The Franco Mexican BondhoIdcrs.
In the Legislative body Of Fruncc July II, NJ Rouher
said In reply 10 NJ Picard that sem-offcai commu-
nication relative TO the position OF the Mexican bond
hoders would be- made 20 the Chamber BY tho MARQUIS