The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-08-06

wnch hAd cost the smallest eaorince OF ufe. IL had
never been the practice to publish the names OF those
who persisted After battle long time elapsed before
those who had fallen were known
M PicARD-Ater the Crmean war the government
published detailed account showing that the total cost
OF the expedition had amounted to l,S0o 100000. The
M vUrfRY~The Crimean expedition had given rise to
different indirect expenses difficult to be found m the
budgets For that reason separate account was drawn
up. But in il there mention OF the loss OF men.
The expenses Of the Mexican had been contaHed in
several budgets and the total amount might be easily
aseertaned by referring to the accounts OF each year.
Those Of the cost OF the termination OF the expedition
and the bringing home OF the troops were not yet made
up TWAS contrary to precedent 70 publish detailed
n JULxs FAvRx could not understand the resistance
Of the government The honorable marshal had dc.
carsd that the loss Of men had been smaller than might
DO feared The Of justyng that assertion to
publish . return OF the losses
Marshal NlEL-At the moment OF the battle the SOL
their dead after the combat The publication asked for
would sometimes have serious Inconvenience.
H. JULss FAvRs-Austria and Prussia published tho
n PICARD wished to know what amount Of the claims
s s s
musicats the account lCose. close He would only
reply one word to the Minister Of War They had not
asked for the statement Of losses until after che expo.
dision had terminated The observation Of the Minister
would ony apply If the demand had been made during
The snssdssns being put to tho vote WAS not taken
\. Bssxrra-T wish 70 make an obssvasion---
NJ BERRysx-On the anancai side or the question Just
raised On recent discussion We were told that tho
least what results from the abors OF the mittse
n ~ AlnAI, the Repoktsr-Ffom the work which was
laid before the committee.
NJ BEaRYxR-The committee must have received from
the government explanations OF nature to make 1t &C.
cept that total and the table appended see that for
at 23 900 OOO H. Theirs has said he could prove that
exceeded co., 600 00O By the treaty OF Mamar the
10th OF April. 1854, 1t was claimed as 270 OOO 900.
N. RoUHER-The amount fixed by the treaty referred
to simply estimated one, that time there
was no possibility Of knowing the exact sum expended
b. BkRRYKR-l cannot comprehend that ct the time
OF the conclusion OF that treaty. at the moment you
were establishing the Mexican empire you should make
exaggerated estimate. Had you said . much smaller
I could have understood 10. But you evidently
tended that figure seriously and the proof is that you
oeived 1000 900 account and you also levied
that loan the interest OF the balance OF PIG 00O 00O
Finally you fixed the expenses Of the French troops
NJ RoUHxR-The treaty did not stipuate any dsduc-
ton for arrears: the which was made was applied
exclusively to the holders Of Mexican stock We
arranged that Mexico should pay the costs OF the
patton at the rate OF 1OO0f man, and having decided
upon the number Of men, we made an arrangement
which permitted that country to pay it at the rate Of
rs 600 600 year. As to the apparent excess Of the
a Munster Of .Hs esmssd
and Of the fleet at 20 and the cost Of
bringing home the troops at from 100000 to
lated to attain the go. 600. What do you
plain Off Can the government cxpend
system Of accounts clearer than the Frenchf The
situation OF the government Is truly strange. II
he accounts i is asked, Are they exact sasomsn:s
made that the cost has exceeded GOO ,00O No
proof is offered but the assertion repeated by the
journals and presented 70 the country discovery Of
the opposition. lEear, hear We have here regular
accounts and credits voted BY the legislative body, and
prove IL
NJ PIoARp-we prove it, first of all, BY the defective
NJ RouHxR-i should have understood that reproach
Il We had estimated our expenditure at $50 600 600 and
had exceeded it, II you and our accounts irregular,
bring yoaU proofs we will discuss the question, and the
country ,ou judge Hear hear; marks Of approbation
n. BRRRyERI do not choose 70 be turned aside from
my object by the tone the honorable Ministernoiso
interrupons.) Do you not ind that the Minister has
introduced considerable animation into the discussion
MsMBER-He is right.
H. BERRYER-I do not blame him. He believes no
speaks the truth he sustains his conviction with en-
ergy but have the right also to energstcaly support
the contrary conviction. Noise, nterruptions.) Do
you dispute that rghta have for . long time been q
member Of Assemblies and have never seen
tinuai Interruptions OF deputy who does his duty.
ls.Hear boar y on some benches)
The PRKsIDESrI believe that N. Berger exaggerates
much at this the violence OF the interruptions.
beg him not TO stop At tridng ones.
N. BERRrsR-l do not stop at all, but when they be-
Of French Assembly Various movemeuts) return
10 the fact believe II my duty TO ask an explanation
Of the committee Q. contradiction Of figures The
900 At Mramar the government had simply made
estimate which was erroneous and TO which no i'm
ton without declaring myself satisfied. It puts end
10 the debate But u establishes that the government
arms that the expenses Of the Mexican expedition for
the departments OF marine and finance, during the
1862 1855 and 1884 amounted only TO 600 000
We retain that figure Appreciation on some benches
"Vote vote ~
NJ DU MIRAL-Ons word. N. Berger had said that
the committee had not sufficiently verified the account
SEVERAL VoIcks.-No, mol
N. BRRyER-Quile the contrary. even quoted the
passage Of the report which that the committee
impatient know all the TRUTH lad made every effort
to attain IL: and appiauded the impotence Of the
committee and its efforts
N. Do hmAi--In addition TO the accounts having
been verified tho Court Of Accounts the reporter had
himself been the Ministry Of Finance and verified ali
the figures in the table submitted to the committee.
One item aono appeared obscure; there other
penses for the Ministry Of Maine for the 1852 to
1867 connected with the various expeditions (Chna,
Cochin China, Japan, Syria, Mexico. SCI, and which
10 81 900 r. and which the Minister OF Ma
declines the possibility OF distinguishing. The
committee considered one-half might fairly be allotted
70 Mexico
The PRESIDENT said the uciden, in the debate was
clio