The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-06-15

10 cost eight ten w twelve millions OF doiars ne
should like thai acs 10 DO known. III inc corinlttee
could demonstrate thas tho canals could be enlarged
taxing the peose, then he was not unwilling al
STAGE of the procecngs TO promise II his support
lie mad seen YESTERDAY sinister motive IN the amend
offered by Mr. Hatch, Of Erie, 70 exclude tho gnes-
ton Of improvements OF the canals from the Finance
Committee and therefore he had voted for H. The Con-
vontion wanted hight on the SUBJECT
Through an the dark troubled night
The prayer OF AJAX Was for light
They wanted light this intricate question connected
with canals OF the state, and therefore he favored
tered 10 the fac thai debt of s5l 600 900 rested
the State a sate and debt OF $50 600 600 on the
towns and counties OF the State and therefore tho Con-
veuton required the fullest information 10 tn proha-
bic cost &c, OF the proposed enlargement dc slg-
lested, in CONCLUSION, that the friends Of the measure
had right 10 be represented in the majority OF the
committee proposed by the amendment OF the genue'
from onondaga.
Mr. SrRoSs (dem) Of Suffolk declared himself as not
in favor OF the enlargement OF the canals lie I'D.
mtted that the canal project had been glorious one ana
had reflected immortal honor on protector Al that
people OF the which be represented were
not in favor OF the project but their opposition 70 ~
overcome by the assurance that the canals would
pay for themselves The canals had been subsequently,
improved and now the friends OF the canals sought o
sun further Improvements ney wanted the ue an no
want into this great expenditure until the doot OF the
State was diminished They bad been to'a tnas ehe
benefits OF the canal had been very general That might
| be so; but those benefits we're not universal ne
doubted whether they were OF any benefit 10 ms own
county He would not oppose the enlargement how
over any selfish ground, but he would oppose u or
general principles. He thought they ought not TO CIV
any TO the Legislature to go on and ex
tend these canals without any limitation whatever He
that the Legislature had too often acted o. hb
principle that "might made right snstead OF GA tAe
! principle chat right made might"
Mr. PsssrR rep) Of Ere, expressed the ny pc Asa
ect mster OF finances and the subject matter OF canals
we're certainly enough In his opinion, to co gage each
OF Them the entire attention OF a commiU He did
not know why this Convention might not come to the
conclusion TO egsate somewhat IN reer@ To the
argemenL Of the canals. certainly mu hit do with
| out travelling outside OF its own province
Mr. ANDREWS rep) OF onondasa, arg led against the
position laid down by Mr. Harris that this Convention
had nothing TO 40 with the question OF enlarging the
canals That had not been the vie of past convcn.
,ons The Convention Of ls46 had Fixed definitely as 70
the Improvement and enlargement Of the canals leaving
only TO the Legislature he task OF arranging the details
Aside from ina. precedent he though. i eminenty
gagged in rearyangng the structure Of the government
should itself decide upon the politely and propriey of
prosperity largely depended. He for one had no
sxed policy in reference the enlargement of the Erie
canal. He came TO this Convention TO hear the views
lie believed that the subject OF or
suihcsent TO engross the attention OF numerous and
able committee during the larger part Of the of
this Convention. Whom that committee would report
he would then be prepared to meet fairly and squarely
| the question Of enlargement Of the canals.
Mr. HurcnISs. Fep.) OF New York argued against the
assumption Of the last speaker that the Convention OF
ls4e had provided for tho enlargement the canals
The whole question that up before that Convention
the question Of how meet tho large debt which
had already been In that work He thought
that the great question for the Convention consider
| the aud management Of the property Of the
| State and its enlargement the future. lie did
think that any man would rise and declare himself OPP
posed to that work but care and manage
ment improved and their revenues properly APP
piled the work q enlargement would not operate gen.
Mr. CUars trep) OF Richmond, thought that one very
important point had been forgotten, namely that the
lied in favor Of the amendment offered BY Mr.
FoeeE He failed TO understand the reasons
the amendment because i wa. SIMPLY " question: DpaHss
l OF the distribution OF business. He found in the
report Of the Committee Of Sixteen that every special
1 substantial of that Of he
canals was referred 70 special committee In the vote
winch he proposed % give he did not commit himself to
the question Of the enlargement Of the but SIM
ply voted on the distribution OF business He would
not accept the vote as Test question and would there
amendment
Mr. 8. TOWNSEND. tdsm.) Of Queens, took the same
view the last speaker and said he would also PROPOSE
subject o. the railroads Of the ssss That interest far
exceeding that OF the canals unrepresened the
| provision made for committees
DELEaArE made the point Of order that the question
OF railroads vas not before the Convention
The President sustained the point OF order.
Mr. TowrsESD tresnming his remarks but changing
Haschl had recently published pamphlet taking the
ground that the present canal system SUFFICIENT and
would prove that there no necessity for The pro-
posed enlargement He would, however, favor the re-
would favor tho entering into correspondence with the
If h. Of the ."
Finances he would be very glad 10 be relieved OF tho
OF the which dragged out OF the pockets
public Debt
Mr. Vas Corr rep) Of Kings did agreo with those
gentlemen who regarded tue question only OF
convenience OF BUSINESS He did not see how it could
DO proved that the adoption OF the amendment would
proof certainly lay those who sustained the amend
ment, but they had failed TO make such proof The |
canals-which we're connected with the nnances
TO be referred to one committee. Why should those |
subjects be dissevereds The and management of
and vyaan 10
ferred TO distinct committee. This discussion had pro-
ceeded the idea that there was some par,v in tho
State or IN the Convention opposed the enlargement
Of the canals. He denied that that assumption was
well founded Somebody in Plutarch had been |
butonholed and made listen long panegyric upon
ArsIdes and ho naturally asked the question, what
have said against Aristides that should be made 10
listen 70 long discussion in his praise ~ So he would
say what had the Committee Of Sixteen any one in
the Convention said against the general proposition
adopted would lay his hand great interest
OF the STATE would arrest the progress OF that great
Convention with brass enough his stand forth
and express his dsapprova Of the enlargement the
question Of the ability Of the state enlarge the canals
purely question Of time and mode when shall the
csl iha be able complete enlargement
Of the cauas II seemed to him tina, very scant justice
ject the Of tho debate during these two days
not much as TO what had been said IS what had
against the report Of the committee the friends Of the
canal on the assumption that the Committee OF sixteen
was opposed 10 the canals, and had therefore made
provision, In the recommendation for standing commit
tees for some way other suppressing subject Of
the canals That assumption wholly without foun.
daon He happened 10 be q member or that commits /
tee He had made Il his business he thought II his
duty before gong into committee 70 make very care
full analysis OF the constitution see the subjects
proper 70 be dealt with by the Convention to pre-.
pare las did most Other members OF the comn,iitsel
programme OF ths committees be recon mcnded TO
this body and !. Was part Of his programme, Of
those OF other gentlemen TO constitute distinct COM
mittee on the subject OF the canals But he was
convinced In committee that such q distinct
COMMITTEES, except for the Management Of |
the canals was not proper; that the only question
outside OF the management OF the canals the aues
ton OF the enlargement that the only topic OF difference
on the question Of enlargement the topic OF finance
and that was therefore proper 70 bring the canals
connection with the subject OF the finances That
the relation OF circumstances which induced tho CON-