The New York herald., 1867-04-26

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make this Communication TO Mr. Dillwyn, and whether
u was intended 70 influence votes In the coming
DIVISION After some discussion, in the course OF which
cdsnt tho Chancellor Of the Exchequer characterized
the whole affair as 'smare's nest" and warned gem
temen OF the inconvenience and impropney OF scan
ming with too critical eye the unreserved communi-
cation Of honorable gentlemcn out OF the House.
Lord Stanley wished to be understood that the gov.
vnpIsdsed and and Without suy uuderstapdins with ndi-
viduai members q to any concession that might or
might not be made II the wish OF tho government.
merits alone. The subject then dropped. and .a
The adjourned debate was resumed April II by Nj.
Roebuck who gave II his opinion that the
GLADSTONE IDS The amendment 4 ne a.sr @ was
tive its character and the best proof OF It's being 90
supported by Lord Cranboe Tho object or ali earnest
reformers- not the rampant individuals who spouted re-
form and acted "Jack Pudding" before the House-was
70 get bill in the OF the present session. and. as
he believed the best way accomplish THAI object would
be to support the government, he would give his vote
MIR JoHS BRIGHT said II shall not do much To try the
patience Of the House at this late hour but should
like to make few observations before the debate
has made himself mefry on the fac that last night the
noble lord the member for Stamford and rose at the
same time, and shat was willing TO give way TO him,
Ing 70 give way TO me, because we were engaged In
tho Same causs. II the noble lord has made any
advancement towards my opinions -lsuyhtsrl.and
and honorably made some-VeDewcd iaughter)-l
only say that should welcome him not
most powerful advocates that YOU could possibly
Hear, hcar) The noble lord and have never ex-
changed word in private but take this opportunity OF
say ing that listened when he In Office to speech
on subject very foreign TO this nights debate, on
question connected uth his own Office namely. the
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house which contained nober sentiments delivered in
better language, or in q manner more calculated to
the noble lord felt Il his duty to leave the
Treasury Bench. But II may be gratided that the
noble lord has approached me even by very little,
surely may be much gratihci by the not small
steps, but the large progress which the ri hit honorable
gentleman who just spoken has made since last
believe that ir 1t were worth-t is worth time-to
refer to the pages of Hansard it would be possible
show that there scarcely member OF this House
that occasion who felt or pretended to feel greater ter
ror OF the admission OF the 81 h0useholders,
than was felt b, the right honorable gentleman
himself Bnt I will not reproach him. do
not reproach his colleague and chief In this House. the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. am ONLY too happy 10
find that they are wiling t proceed ercn t. the length
IF the ,chich they hdvs introduced. and shall
not break my heart IL the measure it out OF
this house, should not take precisely the shape that
should like see IL take, but shall console myself
with the belief laat the past barriers oga,ns. jus
presentation broken do,on, and thai the Chancellor Of
the Ercheq,cr and his colleagues hare utterly repadiated
the scholc Of The past ,c which ftey hare een injected
(Choers) Now, sir, l shall endeavor In fex min
utes, to ask the attention Of the House to tho
precise point before us because l am not about
to discuss the question as matter OF party.
0ries OF "Oh,r and cheers) The Chancellor OF
the ExcheQuer made bargain with US at the bcginn
of the that 10 be party question: an
il was be used for the overthrow Of ministers
shall treat 1t In that Last night sir,
prsed the speech OF the right honorable gentleman the
mcmber for Oxfordshire ! ALWAYS listen 10 him with
great pleasure but last night listened 20 him with great
snrprse because II Is only three or four weeks ago when
the right honorable gentleman threw out hint that It
would BE- desirable possibly TO- alter the law S q rating
ting great numbers. The right honorable gentleman
the Chancellor OF the Excheqner seized upon that
hint and gave certain cordai approval Of H. and am
not certain that the right honorable gentleman, tho
member Tor South Lancashire, has not been In de-
grce induced u tako the step ho has taken Ia conse
VI the powerful support Of the right honorable
gentcmau opposite. fCr;os of .Oh, oh' and cheorsl
The right honorable gentleman IL too modest to
man tho member Cor south Iapcashrs bu, really b.
lisve am not overssatng The cas- tfirarl Nov. dr.
what 10 tho amendment before tho Housc II is simply
poses what I think in our c"mm"n sense wc
should all say was o reasonable proposition, that
fsncb,se' who is considered H for Il ana sn.i,lcd to
it. and who may justly claim II, should be placed on
exactly tho same terns with the same facilities for OBJ
tanning and with the same powers OF enjoying H. that
every other person shall have tCbcers That Is The
object OF the amendment as far as comprehend IT, II
means that the present householder OF pounds and
upwards. and tho householder from ton pounds and
low down the house may 60, shalt be on exactly the
footing, and that the compound householder above
ten pounds shall havo advantage the compound
householder below ten pounds. II means in point Of
that you shall not select from consttu
ences special classes for special privileges but having
determined who the persons whom you will con-
fer the franchise will confer honestly, generously,
fairly and equally on them all tChaers Atthls moment
this Is the state OF the Law with scarcely any 2ton
Birmingham as the house knows Is considerably larger
than Sheffield, and like Sheffield It is concerned chiefly
in the manufacture OF meais. What Will say Of Il
now Is no more than said OF II before q member
and Il is that there Is not In this kned0m in.
dusirious connected with its industry iuieii-
gent, population than that OF Birmingham Hear
mt n fOr vhno my
Why IL gives a chance Of admission TO only
3S4 persons, and It excludes under the Small
ished my sentencc-I say excludes under the
Small Tenement act. and under the various local rating
acts. no fewer than sel77 no no., livery well un-
derstand what honorable gentlemen mean. They mean
this that to accommodate this caprcious measure OF
the the caprice OF the meas
ure in degree essential to sound measure OF
reform-the people OF Birmingham get the Small
Tenement act. " they make up their minds To IT, abol.
shed and they are also TO come here aud ask Paria
mept to repeal their local rating Heat am not
surprised that the member for sheffield or that the
member for Oldham should think that as regards tho
particular places with which they are connected
ihore is something useful in this bin; bn, have
higher opinion OF the people OF Sheffield aud Of the
people Of Oldham than 10 believe that they would prefer
TO have bill passed which would do such grevous injus
tce to Birmingham and to the great mJort of she
boroughs Of the kicgdom. tChesrs) Last night had
the honor OF speaking to three GENT men fron Birmng
ham, who were not up here on any matter conuectod
with this bill One OF them eminent ofhcial Of
the Chamber Of Commerce. and another equally spi
ncnt IN tue uuUinistIhtou Ol tue poor law IN INC
borough. I did not want to suggest 10 them
the dhlicuty that l felt; and l asked them,
"would 1t not be possible for you In Birmingham so
TO alter your position with regard TO the question OF
compounding that you might put yourselves In sdvAn
tags a situation Shef1eidyr They said that II
would bc absolutely impossible: for in Birmingham
great majority OF the &c 900 compound
never paid poor rates at ALL mean, directy-it had
been the custom OF the town; aud 70 ask them
for the sake Of putting OF them upon tho register
In accordance with the requirements of this caprcous
bin, TO destroy the whole fabric OF their economic sys
tenn in connection with the poor rate, what the
House had no right TO ask {" oh, and cheersD Il
thing the House had no right ask. and II u did
ask would have no right 10 expect that they would
comply with Its request have right TO complain
the house has rghtto complainthc members OF those
boroughs which adversely affected by the bill have
right 70 compisln-of provision which must cause
fusion In almost every borough and whch Is in the
smallest degree necessary TO satisfactory settlement
Of the question. Hear, hearl The House in such
cases very ofton proceeds upon precedent likes
things hf cd AVID vteH thing has as,ed Airfy wears
becomes very respectable Now, have great regard
for the Reform act, and from the way In which the
Chancellor OF the Exchequer sometimes speaks Of he
would appear 70 have also great regard for n Indeed
not satisfied whether he actsated by or
envy Of Lord Russel-whcthcr Lord Russell 10 the
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