The workingman's advocate. [volume] (Chicago [Ill.]) 1864-1877, 1867-10-12

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| III Mr.. WiLLIAx ALLAN examined. M
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! MI. Roebuck ~Do, you, know ,thaE 4 ~
lvefY time the great hrm Of John Brown I
4 Co., ht ShelleId, hare issued a advertise
4 uent thAt 10 uuIosf nan win " smpIoyed
L am not aware that document Of that kind
has been issued, but am aware that ws pay
no attention to il.
II DO you know that the factory IL full oi
uen new? have no doubt it 10 am ] to
understand that thss question 10 meant to
convey that Mr.. Browns sseablishmsne ID
ct work without any society men. s-f sisa.s
l. Yes? Then say very mach doubt il.
1 q Mr.. Hughes-Do you know Of any lists
having been published by maeters, OF BY
I! men, with a view OF marking unsn 2: Yes.
Have yoa ever seen saoh lisssf i have one
\ or two with ne. gs4 Aas fstt sss agsa
Gan yeapreduce thena Yes, now hold
10 my hand list which, In 1855, was pub-
lished BY the firm Of Sharp, Stewart 4 Co.,
of Manchester, at the Atlas Works; We had
dispute there IN consequence Of che NUM-
Der Of boys employed. Our members, and
in fact the nom society men as we'll, left
the employment, Directly after they left
tie employne enL Messrs. Sharp, Stewart =
Co. published this list and sent it to the
employers, announcing to them that these
| men had struck work. Now IL 10 quite clear
| that the object was to prevent these men
Tfrom getting employment then here h m
amended list containing few more names I;
they we're not exactly satisfied with the first
list, but they got bold of some other names,
and they published q second edition Of the
list, as you might call il. Then our mem
bers who were employed in that shop at the
time thought that what. was good fer the
goose would not be AZ all tad for the gan.
Der, and they published = liss Of those that
| IA yeur expefieace have those sorts Of
! lists tsen commenf They are mos common.
but it is unusual to publish them for in.
stance, in the great dispute Of 1852 We did
not publish any lists, and We only published
.his lst from tie fact that the employers had
ah uur ha awa =
Mr. Matthews-It was . sort Of retalia-
tiOn Yea saS v44*a aas -
| You were speaking about the admission
Of boys into shsps, and think you stated
that the union generally set their faces
against the admission Of boys beyond GER
| tain puinberp Yes. - T7szss'- -
the admission 0f boys beyond the number
dictated BY che men, the result would be
that the men would withdraw from that par
ricular shopf Il might end In that ~ is-
Yea set yons face against oonpstition~ In
labor bv she frss adpission ef boys? We
endesyor TO prevent an cverplus of labor in
our market By the admission Of boys. ssF =
SO that while keen competition is brought
to, L sar on the operation Of masters IN every
department OF. trade, the workmen conkrige
| by this means to shut out the competition Of
labor? No, I think it generally regulates
itself. saf ia'aa 'asaa5Issal 'aa''.a
| But would net the effect Of the uuious be
Ito, interfere with that self-rsgulatio1i De-
eidedly so we do interfere as regards soci-
| ETY. men.
/ Mr.. Roebuck II any evil followed
! from that interference, the epik woald fall
upon the poory do not know about whom
it would fall on, that is such broad ques-
tion.
Mr.. MatthewsAIt would sve effect. Nc all
events, of very materially restricting the
sources from which the employers drew shsir
supply OF labor 1t is no doubt q restrio-
Zion.
You were speaking, think, Of d distinc-
ton between the lowering Of wages and the
shortening OF hours do you draw any dis
.inction between the one and the other as
regards their operation upon tie Haskman.
Ii, for instance there :s claim made on the
part Of the *ofkmen 70 the empIcvers 70 -.
ducs the hours Of work, you do NOS ~ ~
same time afsy p .rsduee the wages 10 q
equivalent. extent, do you2 Yes. We have
ssssyaI in:s.Snass in which tie workmen have
offered vrf6nssriIy 70 forfeit Che diffsronoc
| = 4oCt10m Va ~ W0kU4s - .
! q 10 NOS That the excePtipa and not she rule Z
IL ia ths exception, h..s,s. the Las dsy At my
/, examiDsti0G stated that the present uen-
ber Cor Oldham, Mr.. John Platt,s Who owns
ths largest ss.sblishmspt in Esrope, rsdaeed
the hours th9e one hour per week, and did
not make aly lalteratioR whatsvsr lathe
rate Of wages; and ths arrangenents thai
have taken place within the leet tvo or .thres
years, with refersnes 20 reducing she bosss
OF labor, bare been carried cut Without . re-
uuctlo1Tel Wages .f.N ssssste sss - s7e. &. Z.
Ii Mr.. Platt had attempted to Reduce The
wages in proportion 10, ths reauetien OF
time, would not the men have resisted that
attelpt2 That 10 > question; hs, however,
very jpdicieusly met pnssmen and discussed
| the question with them, end after due
consideration. volunteered - gre the rsdss-
/ ion Of hnals; but he gase 4 % his gfopnd
land ! think thst it j orly fair that ths
commission lhould understand the groands),
that hs went into coinpet: ion with de Man
/ ter nansfactarefs had 572 ahcufs, ks 65nss.
t're1 himsslf In duty boond TO zvsulste bid
dms ~ ths'ssdns WY. s's 'AssF ss' ia
Inpeihscf iset foYsripg The sppb~ 81
houfs PsF week 10 eqdlvsfe1t 10 faisfnk the
wages s6 Ihaeht Yes. svi ssoaT ca.l
Mr.. Roebuck Il wish to ash & qasstioh
rather for my orRs information. Have you
ever found that that restrictine Of tine aid
not IL reality dIminish ne. qu6ntlty n worl
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