The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-05-19
THE DERBY REFORM BILL.
Mr.. Disraeli ON tho Compound Householder
and Ledger Franchise-JOhn Brisht's Hopes
Of the ChancellOr's Progress.

In the House of Commons the 9th OF May men,
bers went into Committee on the Reform Bill.
In clause three, on the question of Mr. Ayrton's
amendment-that the words twelve calendar months'
be inserted instead OF the words two years. which lad
been struck out OF the provision concerning term Of
residence,
The CHAscErLoR or THE ExHrouER rose and said II
wish to make statement regarding this bill, and
especially regarding the third clause which, appears
to me, may facilitate arrival at a conclusion on
some most important points believe am strictly in
order but II am not perhaps the committee will be
indulgcnt as TO allow me TO make my observations
Hear hear First as to the question OF the honorable
member for Bradford with respect to the clause of
which gave notice. regret the clause is not already in
the hands OF honorable members; but the honorable
gentleman knows the difficulties which arise in these
matters The clause not in such form OF compost
ton 10 enable % produce it before; but expect
that it will be in The hands of members tomorrow
morning. Hear, hcar) | will explain In moment
the exact character Of the clause but wish first to
refer IN subject which has given rise to rather rreg
ular conversation allude TO the amendment of which
notice had been given by gentleman much respected
the honorable gentleman the member for Oldham. That
honorable member is perfectly accurate IN the state
ment which he has made to the House-that there was
no communication between him and me | can state
with sincerity that communication, directly lnd
recty, ever took place between us When the honora-
Bile member asked his question he told me that need
not 1t that dav but said should prefer to do
so at once then assured the honorable member for
Oldham that the subject should receive candid consd-
Grafton from the government Perhaps l may have
added don't know that did SO but If did only
stated what | felt-that we should consider IL in the
hope OF arriving at satisfactory solution. Woll
have fulfilled that promise | brought the matter
under the consideration of my colleagues, and
IL received their very anxious consideration. !
regret however TO say that 1t is not in power to
agree to the amendment of the honorable member the
form in which il stands; il in power relieve
the compound householder in the suggested hv
the honorable gentleman. The Committee know that |
have placed on the table amendments object which
is to facilities to compound householders to claim
and possess the franchise which amendments think
every will admit substantial means o. faciltat
ing that object The Committee Will remember that
every occuper OF house will be entitled 10 have his
name inserted on the rate book Any compound house
FORM which when it IL Tiled mp ne send free
Of charge 70 the proper official persons and they
hound receipt OF this claim TO insert the name OF the
claimant in the rate book. Now, az far as providing
for tho compound householder 10 get the rate
book, and obtain vote, those facilities cannot be
questioned But what propose further that naving
thus obtained his rating. notice being givun
10 tho cwner the compound occuper. having
paid the full rates. will lave power to deduc. from
his rcnt the full amount OF his rates thus paid Cheers
So far therefore, the committee win understand that
fine be levied the compound householder because
Of his applying to have himself put on the rate book
II he pays his and deduct the full from his
landlord don't think IT be maintained that he pays
fine in that operation But much has been said about
the nature Of the payment mado by the compound
householder under the existing system have the ad
vantage Of not speaking without accurate information
on the subject, and know shall be expressing the
opinion of persons OF the highest authority in what
about TO this point The elements which
said to enter into the relations between the compound
householder and his landlord may be thus described.
think be assumed that tue elements which 20 into
the composition Of rent be thus accurately described
the amount Of the compositions and third the bonus
allowed the landlord in consideration OF the trouble
and risk ne ncnrs making himself responsible TO the
parish. Generally speaking, think It will be found
do not say that 1t is rule without an exception but
the general conclusion amounts Amos, to law-that II
you add the and third items together the amount
of the composition and the bonus you will arrive at the
full amount OF the rate: and therefore believe may
fairly conclude that, general rule-so general MS
say, It amounts a conclusion which should regulate
legsationhe compounder does pay the full rate now
tfiear hear) It would be- disingenious in ms not to
afknOwlpdua
session. placed before the House by the rgnt honor
able gentleman opposite with great powers oil argument
and Illustration 1 had entertained some doubts about
IT, but am bound to say that subsequent researches
and the more enlarged information We now posses
elements OF The rent Of the compound house
holder will be found TO be have now stated
compound householder pays the full Of the rate,
and he has right to deduct that amount from the rent
unqestionabiy the compound householder longer
could be said 10 pay fine. the landlord - fined
(augher and the fine is only shifted from the tenant
to the landlord but II, as PROPOSE the moment the
compound householder claims the right OF exerc sIe
the franchise. and Of paying the fun rates and deduct
ing the full rate from the amount o. his rent.
crate the landlord from the guarantee which he has
gwen, is impossible to say that the nilord VIII be
fined Uaughterb Therefore, IL appears 20 me, that
make proposition which will entirely dlvest the
question OF th Dvid0us character which has been so
much enlarged upon, and neither the tenant nor the
landlord will thus the fine which has been
mentioned With regard 10 the amendment o.
the honorable member for Oldham (Mr Hibbert) can
assure him again that II has been most carefully and
anxosy considered but cannot arrive at the conciu
sion that II is expeden just and polite that We should
create establish amcng very considerable class OF
people nvidous distinctions which would produce
tburninss among neighbors who, though living In
the town, leading the same lfe and fuhllng tho
same duties, are not liable for the same amount OF
taxes II s therefore OF tho utmost importance that the
same amount OF rates should paid IN the manner in
which have suggested should DO paid under the new
clause which shall Dring in, and which will place
upon tho table OF the House tonight The amendment
which wish to make In clause "a will leave In IL all the
facilities which originally pr1poFea Tor .ns ss p v
tora cap. IA. propose TO repeal that clause Of
course saving all existing rights and OF course extending
to compoundcrs under the old act the same privileges
which compounders to enjoy under the bill Tho
compounders under the old act could not claim to be re-
couped from landlord for the rates which they paid,
and they have the power of claiming 10 be paid the
full amount
Mr. Bmaar-will the right honorable gentleman ex-
plain what he means by existing intcrestsy
TIE CgAscELLor OF rHE ExcHnouEn-I mean every per-
son whose name the register now. The rights
that ne now enjoys under existing Mws VIII 1 no. % Thsss
are the amendments which wish TO bring before the
consideration Of the committee and the practical point
which wish them TO notice this:-l think the best
oourse we could follow now would be, when We have
concluded the third clause 10 move that all the other
clauses should postponed In order that We may take
the fourth clause which includes all those arrange
mel ts about compound householder Then We shall
work subject and not devase from the important
question Of the borough franchise until " 10 settled
Ths ia the course propose should take and In the
meantime place IN tho hands Of the clerk the amend
ment which propose. ththk nhvc o&Pihhou w tn'
House the general view We with regard 10 the con-
duct Of tho bill or course The adoption OF u depends
entirely upon the feelings Of the House ana upon sne
the right honorable gentleman opposite ana
other gentlemen who have taken great interest In tne
matter. -,
Mr.. GLADsroSE-Thers is one important point with
respect which shall be GLAD " the right honorable
gentleman wili lot us know the Intentions Of the
government actually stand. do not know whether
gather from the statement Of the right honorable
gentleman the position Of the old compounder ana
that Of ths new compounder will under the new aw'
according 70 The proposals OF the government, 90 ex
actly alike In eli particulars Is sol will state 70
the right honorable gentleman the point have IN view.
As understand the clause Of which he has gwen mo-
ce, which In the votes Of to-day, headea Teeu-
latons rating clause 20 follow clause 30 the new
compounder upon claiming 70 be- registered must cease
10 be compounder and must become direct mtepay-
ing househodor-I do not any words IN tine causo
which would have the effect Of extending the provision
TO the old compounder shall be CAD 10 know whe'ner
these provisions 10 be extended 20 the old COM
FOUNDER whether the old compoundcr liable 70 pay
the full rate 10 stl 70 be allowed 70 continue CON-
pound householder.
The CnAScrIroR or the ErcHEouEs.-1t is rather an
abstruss point 70 enter nso but ~ | am advised y y
not necessary 70 interfere With the nSst anu ssoonu