Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1867-11-25

by MIR. Thomas q You have stated your
opinion a. to the riehfs and privileges of Gen
erai Loe and his solders-did you mean that
to indclnde sny poiuesi rightsi A. have
explained that did not There was no d der.
eOce OF opinion on this point between President
johnson and me, but there vas TO whether
the parole gave them any privileges or rights
Re claiming that the time must come whel
they could be tried aud punished, and I claim
in that the time would NOT come, except ov
violation OF their paro,e. l claimed that /
gave them no poiiu 81 privileges, butthst /
had right, as military commander. to ar
r. ge terms of surrendcr, which would pro-
tha, il il conceded by everybody mat
hsd that right / know that Mr. Lincoln
conceded 1. ~ time By Mr. BoutweIi.-Q.
How recently has the President expressed 10
You the opinion that Cen. Lee or others who
had the benefit Of parole, should be tried and
punished. A. Not since about two years.
g. Aays rrss,ssn ySn mat. s1 any time heard
the admission of members Of Congress from
the rebel Stetes into either House. A. l
sanno. cam say po.,.isely what l have heard
nim say as much, perhaps, as in pub
Iished sPeecnes last simmer as ever heard
HIM say upon lhat snhlec. | have
North carried the elections by members enough
TO give them, with toe Southarn members a
ms sioriiy. why would they not be he Congress
q. When You say the North, you mean the
democratic party Of the north or, IN Other
mean II the North carried enough % msmbe q 10
favor Of the ad m scion of the South did not
hear him say that he would recognize them as
tion. Why would they not be the Congressl 1
heard him say that in one or two
speeches Do not recollect where.
BY Mr.. BoutweIl.-Q. Have you heard him
make remark kindred TO that else where? A.
Yes: 1 have heard hIm say that, aside from his
speeches, in conversation; cannot say just
when; il was probably about that same time.
u. Have you heard him at any time ma ke any
remark or suggestion concerning the legality
of Congress with the Southern members ex-
cluded A. He alluded to that subject fire.
summer HIS speeches were generally reported
with considerable accuracy. Canpot re- ecollect
wha he said except in general terms. but read
bis speeches at the Il ne, I'D they were re-
ported with considerable rurscy. do not
recollect having heard him ty anything pri.
vate on that subject spe. tally. I never heard
h,m allude 10 the Executive Department OF the
Government. never heard him make any
remark relative to The controversy between
the Executive and Congress. By Mr. Mar
shall: Z. understand you to say that you
were very anxious at the close of the war
that civil governments should be estab.
lshed in some form, and you 80 advised
the President! 1 so stated frequently
IN h,s presence, but / advised no particular
when this North Carolina proclamation was
read in Cabinet! A. Time heard 1t read was
In presence OF the President and the Secretary
of War only. i did not dIss mt from it, II
was civil m after, and although was anxious
10 have something done, did not intend 10
diSta'e plan. l do not think expressed any
opinion about IL at the time. i looked upon il
as SIMPLY tempoi ary measure until Congress
should meet and settle the whole ne stion and
that II did not make much d. ference how 1t was
done, 80 that there was form of governm ment
there think. Twas present at the time by an
invitation Of either the President or the Secre-
iary OF War suppose 1 was free TO express
should express my views if l could snggest
any change. 1 do not think was asked nv
views Ilknow that IL had been asked the
question l would have assented TO that or al.
most nyfhiDe else that would have given
stable government there. In reference to the
opinion i gave the President on the am mpes,y
proc alton % think l have testified pretty
Dim on the clauses excluding volunteer
Generals, aud as TO the twenty thousand dollar
clause 1 DO not say anything as to the rest Of
ir, whether 1t vas too lenieut or too stringent.
''an state vhetI thought about it, but not
what l said about it. know that immediate
very fnei feeling men fes cd in the South. and
1housht we ought 70 take advantage OF ,t as
soon as pos ible, but since that here has bean
an.d an evident N s ensnge here cray l may have ex
recollect particularly. Do rot suppose thai
ttere were any persons engaged in that
y0ns Wrs O,a,,Sn hsinS dors who ,Sopsht of what
ing lssting any longer than until Congress
should meet, and either ratify that or establish
some other form OF government 1 know II
cone was anything more thar temporary. i
unders TODD this to be the view of Inc Presj-
dent and Of everybody else. 1 did not know OF
any difference of opinion on the subject He
was very sn&iops 10 have Congress ratify his
views. Mr.. Lincoln, prior TO his assasti-
nation. mad inaugurated policy intended
to srstoIe those
plan was read. The plan adopted by
MIR. Johnson, was substantially the plan which
had been iraugurated by Mr.. Lincoln as the
basls for bis future action. do not know that
1t was verbatim The same. l think the yery
paper which l heard read twice while MI
Lincoln was President was be one which was
carried night through y. What paper was
thar! A. The Norm Carolina prOclamatioc
u. You understood that Mr.. Lincoln's plan
was temporary, to be either confirmed or ne "
govern ment ser up by Congress A. Yes; and
un Understood Johnson's to be so, TOO; that was
u y impression. i never heard the President.
TIE plan Yves TO be temporary. but / was at
isred everybody looked at il as imply lem
poTery Dnnl Congress met. q. You ste ed
hat pe North Carolina proclamation was q
continuation OF the project submitted by Mr.
L'pcolr. wish 20 inquire of you whether
you ever compared hem 20 ascertajn whether
they were the sane or not A. No, sir never
compared Them. / look the m to the very same
paper. They were substantially the same, if
On July 20, General Grant, being recalled.
said he had had coI versat'on with the Pres
ident In company with Gen. Hillyard, but that
nothing important had transpired. General
Grant elso testified in reference TO the Mary.
land election roU bles. The President had DE-
teTmiped to use The military power In be.
half Of Gov. Swami, but Gen. Grant called
his attention 10 The law on the subject which
charged his views and determIn alton eyI-
IDENTIFY. Some troops. about sec. were sent
to Baltimore to be used in case OF q riot. Their
Sery ices were not needed.
TESTIMONY OF CHIEF JUSTICE CHASE
Chief Justice Chase testified that he knew
no reason why the Government should not
bring on the trial OF Davis; that on his surren
der the Courts were in operation in Virginia
IN one OF which an Indictment was procured
against him. He wished to Join the Judges
on circuit. but he was prevented from SO doing
by the fact that military commit sions were
trying cases there. He went 70 the Prestdent
and tried TO get him TO issue a proclamation
TO the effect that the military tribunals should
NOT interfere with the civil courts, which the
President thought was covered by his procIa.
nation OF July, 1s6S, declaring the war af an
end. mr.. johnson appeared very willing TO
DO all that he lChase) asked, but he never
did anything. The President had Consulted
him on the subject, but he (Chase) did not
think that he should have anything TO say In
the matter, as 10 the time, mode. or manner OF
the trial. Nothing but the existence Of mill
tary tribunals In Virginia had prevented him
from going there 70 open court, when he should
him. He (Chase), about year ago, was on
the point Of going 70 Richmond to begin the
trial Of Davis. few weeks before this.
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