The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-11-08
BEN WADE ON the SITUATION.
Yhe Radicals to Adhere to yheir
Policy.
A SHEER Al GENERAL GRANT
ICor.spoadsse. Of tn. c,aeinn.si commsrslal.l

Travelns IN this section Of the stais, thought u
would MOT b amss TO pay visit to the home Of Sena.
Ger WADE and ascsrtan. through short interview, how
The old radical felt ovsr the result OF the re
cent elections and what were his views Of men and
y Il q.
b. thoss who pretended 70 know him, that would and
him dropping aad dsspoodsns over the loss q ths
but this j soon discovered 70 BE- y great
mistake There he VS., "as large - life and
swies a. nstura"-heaA and tail erect a. full Of
as health had very much improved since the close Of
the campaign, and he looked - we'll q a any time
ss,ss the pest s oys v0c. .nd strength
. months leisure had recovered both.
I0luted the old gentleman, In the language Of Arts
.irs shs fate Of war" said he: aws'rs ID Ssdly
whipped but can't Ne helped. We must get ready tor
another round 81 'em."
THE cAusK OF THE DEFEAT.
s1he niger whipped III" said Mr.. Wade. I'VE wont
n ea principle and got whipped. We shonld have
The safirsss issue. SUI, am NOT sorry We made the
issue. It Was 70 do again I'd be Tor putting IL
again. and I'll be for keeping il up until We do wn for
BY The eternal God they can't beat US all the time
Qussiion hike that. had idea that there were so
many republicans in ONO who were willing 70 see negro
OF Ohio vote. That's what got They all seemed to
be n favor OF II as measure OF reconstruction just
much As was didn't dream that they'd DO mean
enouah 70 vote against II here"
In answer to question as to whether he thought the
grcenback issue had anything TO do With tho defeat Mr.
Wade said he didn't think 1t had. Il nothing bat
the niggcr The greenback issue fairly before
the people, for when you TO sft the matter the
democratic speakers made very little Of an ISSUE on the
greenbacxs The niger was the only strong point thew
bad, and they beat US that, fair and square; but
shsyr have TO keep on beating us, for wen give them
NO peace till we beat tnem
RESULT
"Now," said Mr.. Wade, "because we've been
kused brothers will be backing ON this question
But won't back q id inch. Pm for IL now as
strong as was before the election, and stronger too
because there Is more need OF being strong for It,
conquer mean prejudice. But you'll trying
to hush the thing up, and TO smother and dodge it
radicals. too. Helrs full OF such radicals as weii
have now. Pm for 1t because think it's right and
know We right and a i thing is right, the only
sometime or another. There s not great reform
IN the history Of the world that wasn't unpopular
and running like scared hounds from it after
beaten once. No SIR committed to the doctrine
Bot no bn T
mark my word, there'n be the Oldest crawHshing
you ever saw from this time forward. Well, lei them
50 We can win without them, and We will win, too,
just the Almighty is just ard heaven above
u.s. 1t will become harder every year for the copper
heads to beat that issuue and they won't beat
very often either, II only make bold front and 60
q 'em with fixed bayonets every time"
asked Mr. Wade IL no had read Tom Ewing's letter
On the lesson Of the late elections He said he had read
only short extract from It, but could hardly make out
best political guide in tho world Of late years, and
cont think what he says will have much effect on the
republican party He went on with the johnson breth
rem, and We haven't been taking advice from such
sources lately"
well" said l. 'ths sum and substance OF the letter
b. that The radicals ought 10 back down from their
South, because It has been voted down in 0ho.n
'Novor, in Gods world" said Nj. Wade. 80 far
done there but will 60 further and make il for
the rebels II they don't behave themselves better II
vots.in The souts You cant DO T. You might as we'll
hot them sccede at once and set up for themselves
70 ls. tho whiso rebels get control Of everything
down there, they would do under Johnsons policy
We copldnt 90 back on the negroes we would and
wouldn't II could They talk about OF races; i
Will never come unless the rebels bring 1t about and
does lei them eight IL out between them and lot
drive the other out they cam that's none OF my
business As senator am bound to zee that there Is
republican government these States; that's all Two
rot 70 do with it, they can't agree among themselves
90 much the worse for the side that gets whipped |;
government in spite Of the Dcv and all his angels in
cludIng Andy Johnson"
On the subject of impeachment, Nj. Wade said he
wished TO be distinctly understood a. expressing no
o. nion far as Mr. Johnsons guilt or innocence was
concerned. He would, however, answer my question
Is 70 whether the elections would have any effect
upon that matter He thought they would. "You
sesn said he these weak knsed brothers are taking
the back track already Well now, what the Devil has
IN election Ohio got to do with the mnrtsr II Andy
johnson is guilty, put him out; y not, acqnit him;
that's the way do 1t. They ought TO have pressed
she Investigation right along after they started IL And
90 they would have dono nst winter II there badn'
20 keep on good terms with tho White House. There
were TOO many men from Ohio and other states who
wanted their brothers and friends appointed to office,
and know that Andy bidding high for votes. II
Of the most shameful spectacles in the history
this any other country, TO see men selling them
solves and heir constituents for Office last winter You
pl ched into a Of them, in the Csmm5cidi. but you
only told hundredth part Of the truth. ! wish
the papers would take up every devil Of en- and 60
people amt careful Some Of them denied having made
any effort get these appointments; but know how
Il was. l know that Andy was mighty particular 10
mako his appointments the best advantage and he
didn't give Office where 1t wouldn't count II II
mpeachment would have been settled last winter as /.
saght 70 have been. l don't know whether Johnson
would have been turned out or not but the Thing would
have been determined one way or the other.
asked him he thought tho republican party would
have Jared better tho late elections johnson had
been impcached turned out OF office. Certainly
would said he "If We had made out q case against
him and turned him out land we shouldn't have turned
him out unless we had made good easel we'd have
been much stronger. There's nothing the people like
IN party so well IS holiness; and nothing hurts .
party 10 much timidty. II the people think you are
sd to 20 a lns 1a you Iusn nr1 y
20 10 pieces II Was because took hold OF the
slavery question In good earnest that we on IT, aud
NO never did win until we did take hold Of IN that
way"
sUnxms SUFFRAGE BILL
Referring TO this measure, Mr. Wade said he had not
naie up his mind exactly whether he ought for
or NOT. lie believed that under the last clause Of
the thirteenth amsndmens giving Congress power to
on, there ample authority for the passage the
bill for no man was really free in this country unlcss
he had the right vote. But he believer Ia state
rights proper and legitimate way and did not know
but that this bill was In violation Of the
right OF each STATE to regulate suffrage. Some
Of has party, he said, were In favor Of what they
called constellation but he never was. He beloved
vas necessary the proper administration OF the Affairs
Of the government that the States should have
rsht and he did not believe that State rights should
exist only for purpose Of representation in the Senate
and b . nullity for all other purposes
Referring 10 Presidential matters. Mr.. Wade
said It had looked him for . year past II the
Republican party would take Grant up Tor Pres.
dent and run him In with . hurrah- He VA
sorry TO that disposition, and he believed no good
would come OF t. "The trouble with Grant la said
he s'you don's know where he stands II seems very
singular that could have lived through this terri.
bic without Identifying himself With any party, and
shat protesting 70 be republicans should ny "a
rush him into the white House without asking him
single question a 70 whore he stands the great issues
now before the country. sin, ! have feit II in my
bones that they would do that very thing"
asked Mr.. wade II be bad ever conversed with Gen.
srai Grant on political topics
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