The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-08-05

hoa telegraphs railways conceive hat broad,
sionats feeling rOugSosa the coHn'y In far wsahy
,siA be all plain sailing: bait after az zoe htnk that re-
s GUS od &c % 0 ossson U
MISCONCEPTIONS such stir mems minds to their lowest
depths questions such lay hold Of the imagination
questions such as We have ourselves seen during the
last seven or eight years-,oars behalf Of oppressed
nationalies, like Poland L0ly. or for some leader Like
tlaI considerations win be able to withstand ne
tremendous volune and surge of popular feeling which
will then run hastily and violently through all these
centres? II has been repeatedly said that the
wars in which this country has been engaged during
the century due TO our arstocrac
do not believe that arlstocatc government is 90
warlike Il Is rather democratic government that
warlike (Hear) An aristocrac government Is gener-
ally very cautious Just a; middle class government Is
foresee that this change in your electoral system
will give rise 10 the most violent oscillations in your
culties and into wars which prudent men will not be
able to avert These are some OF the dangers which
may result IN our foreign policy But believe mat the
when the principle OF numbers Is combined with uni
formty-cal 1t by what name you choose put upon Il
what gloss you choosethe result must inevitably BE-
dangerous do not wish 10 speak upon any particular
subjects of legislation that may arise such the rights
won't 20 30 far as to say that the class into whose sole
hands you giving the franchise Ia Of itself unit to
exercise the franchise But say mot on my own au;
have learned these lessons and under whom have
served for many years in politics, that the trans
Ter Oh power Iuto tuo uhuu5 Oh auy ONO CihSS
in the community, no matter what class, is
injurious to the public veal. (Hear, hear) I
remember well speech delivered last year IN
sec on the woosack tord Cairns-s speech which all
those who heard it will doubtless also remember My
noble friend whose presence in this House is OF It's
recent but OF its chiefes ornaments said, as
think, with unanswerable truth, 'lace potor IN he
hands of any single class and ,ha must be the results
Give majority 10 the clergy, 10 the dgric,rists, to The
Manufacturers and immediately respectable as those
classes may BE- legislation ioN at once become undny
human nature (Hear, hear But then we are told TO
hope-and must gay that the hope seems somewhat
selfish one-that the social habits OF this country will
enable to tide for time at least, the period
of difficulty which may be coming and that the
traditional influences OF the past will countervail as
checks the power which we are building up under
this bill My lords believe that tradition in this coun-
try very great force-in country probably
SO but tho time tradition and traditional in
Guences are very feeble barrier against the absolute
transfer Of power Hear hear) When once you have
transferred the whole of the state INTO the hands
of another cassuhen you haze gone further and made
the House Of Commons accessible only To rich or 10
demagoguewher hape made ii irsome 10 men Of cult
pdtion and fnmen and odous to of conscience and
precipitation you U find that your educated classes ,oA
first feel eme'oes pooerless, and them before long aoI BE-
come STEM lhear You again put yoar trus. another
wealth. Now, tell you have no faith In wealth.
mevsr heard Of weahh saring State believe, on the
contrary 1t will fail you at particular pinch. admit
it quite true that you will have rich returned
the House Of Commons But how returned That is the
question answer. They will be returned committed
to further and deeper pledges OF democratic extension
They will not be less tho delegates OF the public will be.
they happen to be millionares And suppose
returned with conservative and constitutional prin.
cplcs their lips does anybody believe they will
main unaffected by the strong tendencies Of the great
able view still Suppose the very same men
are returned that now sit in the House of Commons
still contend that tnSH course Of conduct must be az
they will be returned by constituencies Of very different
nature. There will be all the difference between these
men now and then that exists between an actor who
speaks to the boxes and actor who speaks the gal
lery Hear hcar) My noble friend at the head Of her
Maesty's government alluded to another security ON
which we might RELY, the personal payment Of rates
might be spared from saying anything this point after
the admirable remarks OF noble friend opposite who
for the FIRST time has addressed your ordshps tonight
and in such way that all hope it will not
BE- tho last time. Hear hear) With my noble
'the'' principle Of tho bill; it is only one principle.
quite admit that It Is very good principle as far as
goes; but as long as you have the LOGGER franchise
very precarouslne OF clio rental 1t is idle to that
the personal payment OF rates is tho principle OF the
bill. is principle, but only one Of several Agaih
at loss to understand how this personal payment
Of rates contribute TO the knowledge fitness Of
the new 1t is the first time I heard that
rate paying favorable to the character OF indi-
vdual. Why the fact is IL purely local arrange
~ The old SCOT and lot
payers OF rates. yet believe that the purity OF the
scot and lot voters was not always so immaculate as
might be supposed. There Ii ono point ON
which we sometimes told to roly. and my noble
friend dwelt upon It in introducing this BILL
there is general opinion that the county franchise
as laid down In this will lead to great dis
turbance in the existing balance Of power in the counties
prepared to admit that probably there will be change
Parties will there remain balanced pretty much they
are but In the urban and manufacturing counties, where
you have of unepresented towns containing 000
5000 TO- 000 L. 900 people, OF which towns
TO receive direct representation-n those counties there
will be bodies OF voters under this fl2 county rating fran
chse who will certainly have quite much effect on the
county representation II not more than the famous forty
holl ho1 hoar do
whether this change In the counties will be for good
for evil The whole Of this bill Is SO purely conjectura
tany But the PROBABILITY is hss great disturbance in
the county representation will take place. and 1t well
that noble lords on this side Of the House should consider
the point 49, .-..1oss;sf '.skai.->
Earl Of said All forms of government have
their virtues as well their evils But business Is
now TO consider, not what the virtues, but what are
the evils Of democracy Now, do not that the su
frage about TO give will produce such effects
those which shall venture to lay before your lordshps
But think that the democratic influence in the House
OF Commons and tho preponderance given to the repre-
sentatves Of that class OF men, will in time act in most
way against the old established and organized
judicialy TO the Church Of England cannot believe
that the representatives Of those who are, in great
and With 10 psneS VIII have any friendly feeling
wards the Church OF England. When como TO lQQk
at the House in which have the honor 70 address
your iordshps ask how II will be affected By this
great democratic change So long the other House
or Parliament elected upon restricted principle,
understand that would submit 10 a check from
such House As this But In the presence OF this great
democratic influence and the advance Of this great demo-
cratic Onrs, rhfch Il going in spite Of vse--
for I believe Its rapid advance is against the
wishes Of th9se who give 70 n considerable
amount Of its impeius-.i6 sch presence II passes
my comprehension to understand now an hereditary
House like this can hold lie own. II might be possible
for this House, In ono instance, to Withstand
II 1t were violent unjust and coercve but do not be-
lievs that the repetition Of such an offence would DO
permitted 1t; Z SRss :; IA 5Ss Ys92s
people" Is not what I am now saying very much Ia
accordance with lordshps obssrvations Are We
not living In time in Which nothing oken for granted
FnsrvbnQ East b ripped np s rs prinep,es and IN
yoa ta{ nsng e god; ycSr odrssory admits
H. bw ays that change VIII Be batter. Thus II Is that
are going at the present day. has occurred to
for long time, and am certain II IL true, that have
In great measure outgrown institutions There "a
espansive force among tie people The odrancs d
tcedk the inrrease Of education, TIE capacity at least
the ambition, Gdi erery feels 10 occupy higher
station than ndt chicA Ne has been PLACID By PROFIT
dence-au these irgs twd 10 psas dissatisS~i with
TIE insfitsons Of ne coufry because they feel them
cribbed cabned and conoosd By the restrictions
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