The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-07-04

Mr. BROOKS trep.l OF ~. y. asked Mr. schenck 10
state that The aiidav,.s aat were being read
pa.te and thm the all .davts we're taken without any
scx ado .S St ssa. e sh sSs wsrs "a pt
uI ous .ney ~ers sufficient, be claimed, for the
Houss sbdr eed upon He did not propose ina. tne
sIa s but that their credentials should he .,.rred 10
r. omitteo Elections-tLLss. was his notion
s,o following are the names Of the Representatives
no n the state OF Kentucky:-L s Trimbls, John Y.
= fown, J. Knott A. P. Grover, Thomas Jones.
James B. Beck George NJ. Adams, John d. Young
MT ELDaoeE de n o. WIS., rising 70 question Q,
undertook to make the same point against Mr. Stokes
Of Tennessee at the close of the hrtynuth Congress,
the peakerued thai the proceedings could not be in
terrupted for any such purpose. He insisted the
same ruling now
that occasion he had ruled with uniform
usage that for the House determine what action
II should lake when member presented himself TO be
sworn, and when objection Is made to his taking the
oath The Char had never ruled differently II the
gentleman from Wisconsin had offered resolution that
Mr. Stokes should not be sworn IN, would certainly
have been Ia order, and IL would have been for the
House to determine the Question:
Mr. ELDHIDcE remarked that he had not risen that
10 oIera resolution, but to mako question of
order and that the chair had ruled that the proceedings
could not be interrupted.
TnE SPEAKER said be had a distinct rec ELECTION that
the ruling had always been the II the House
a. could refer the credentials OF member to the
after his being sworn The Speaker subsequently had
extracts read from the Congressional Globe 70 that
his ruling on the occasion referred TO the
his pre- cnt ruling
Mr. BENJAMIN, irep) or No., gave to the House some
statements in reference to the public character of Mr.
Knott from the Third Congressional dis riot OF Ken
lucky, and said that during the war ne had allied him
self With those who were intense IN their dis royalty
the government voting, speaking and acting in support
Mr.. LOGAN addressed the House in support OF the
amendment He had offered it, not for the purpose Of
Of ESTABLISHING precedent in the House. He desired
to preserve the House from contamination. The dis
loyal portion Of the people OF Kentucky land they
egon had had representation In the rebel Congress at
Richmond. After the suppression Of the rebellion the
Kentucky rebels returned TO that state and the law
which DISTINGUISHED them repealed, and then they
undertook to transfer their representation from the halls
in Richmond contaminated by treason, to the halls Of
this Congress- which ought to be sanctined by loyalty
II that ground that he offered his resolution II
historical fact that at the late election in Ken
tncky man was elected Governor who had been a
| IA member near Mr.. Logan whispered correction
Mr.. LOGAN corrected himself, and SAID no a little
too fast Al all events those members elected
ticket with man who was, IN the eyes Of the world,
condemned traitor. II Kentucky could send mem.
! bers under such circumstances to the House. and
II no member protested against their being In,
why should not south Carolina ddahe thing under
ruling and advice Of the head of the He
was not willing to SIT here and allow any to take
the cath when he knew that that members constituents
disloya and would send other kind of
Congress II they could avoid it, This the theory OF
| getting at the question. Kentucky had shown
| herself dsloya during and since the rebellion. He
therefore insisted ha, those men sent there from Ken
lucky must go before the Committee on Elections and
let their loyalty be tested If they were they would
come ont unscahed; II they were disIoyal they had
an immense amount Of impudencein presenting Them
| selves whenevera delegation from state whose
loyalty was questionable he in favor Of having the
| whole delegation examined admitting such as were
| loyal and sending back such disloyal
Mr.. BINeI4n, irepl Of Ohio, made the question Of
order that Dir. 4ogan's amendment in order.
His colleagues Mr. Schenck's) resolution went only 70
The qualification of the member named, but Mr. Logan
amendment went generally to the right OF the State ia
representation at all as illustrated by the speech had
| just made.
Mr. LOGAN said that his resolution was misunderstood
IL did not deny the right of the state to representation
but insisted tn at the representatives should be loyal
Mr.. BINGHAM denied tina, he misunderstood it, and
insisted that the State entitled representa- on
the members elect presenting their certificates under the
great seal. unless specific objection be made against
member in which The matter should be referred
The SPEAKER overrued the pon, of order-nrst be.
cause vas not made IN me and second becaus, OF
the precedent set by the House in referring the creden
als OF the Tennessee members last Congress TO the
Committee on Elections
Mr. ScHEScK modified his motion so az to read
e he OF 10 nc not 9
20 b w n sY R ans ossp
q said state and the AFFIDAVIT be referred 70
instructed TO Investigate aud the charges
Citizen to seat in House. and at the eo%mea SsTs
papers ''" ''' ps'''"' anu
Mr.. Brooks spoke against the resolution He said we
deep in the midst OF revolution potent than
that which we haye passed through during the civil
war II the doctrines OF the gentleman from Illinois mr.
Logan 10 be adopted by the House, be has
here proclaimed principles which not only VIOLA
constitution of tho United States deprecate such
speeches as deprecae the introduction OF such resou
States is entitled 70 representation here Keu,ucS Sy
has never gone out OF the Union. Kentucky, in
been loyal to the Union. Kentucky has S ssso
represented here during all the by members OF the
various parties; and u IS only nov, when she sends
dsrranchise her and drive all her delegates from the
House. This Is revolution; and tell the gentleman
tlrntp hiatt tava
the North which will not submit to such a revolution
No fighting viii be done in the tented field no transfer
Of contest from the bollotbox 10 the bay onet but hero
the floor of the House the democracy of the North
will reappear ard join with the democracy of the South
and of the West, aud will be heard when Congress
shall be no longer rump parliament, unless it is made
so by the party OF the gentleman from illinois, The
State OF Kentucky has record Of 10y atty in arms and
on the floor VI the House she represented here
during the whole OF the war. If accept the
charles OF dsioyaty made against gentlemen from
various parts OF the Union ], as an old why IN ls8o
would be ready to charge on the gentleman from iii
nos lMr. Loganl then democrat, that he was dsloya
utterly disloys to the principles OF the govern ment OF
the country.
Mr. LoGiS made q motion 10 interrupt Mr. BROOKE
but Mr.. BRodks went to say:-Pernit me TO saw
gentleman, but take simply the reports that arc made
and say that he adopts like reports the of The
people OF Kentucky
Mr.. IoeAx-I understand the geutemau's remark. q.
applied 10 myself az personal
Mr. BRooKs-l was only illustrating and arguing TO
show that those charges against on that s,de
Of the house this side ought to be acc pied in
good faith by any member, to influence his aciion
contested election that reports Of disloyaltv ar
not 10 disqualfy members and that members may differ
20 what constitutes loyalty. Kentucky Furnished 10
the Union army eighty eight thousand troops ana ono
OF the delegates sought to 30 excluded mir AdsmsS
q major In the federal army.
hr LoGAs asked Mr.. Brooks to inform the House how
many OF the Kentucky troops were coiored men
Mr. BROOKS thought Mr. Logan much better informed
on the subject than himself.
Mr. LOGAN further inquired how many troops Rsr
lucky had furnished 10 the rebel army
NJ BROOKS said he had not the statistics Of the rebs
40 700 the rebel army, and that Of the number
furnished 70 the Union army 20 900 were colorcd man
Mr. BRooxs remarked that u had been said thaf ~
inconsidcrabe uumbcr Of from Illinois had o,psS
the rebel army; and II that was good reason FOR ar
pelng members from Kentucky, II should also be a
from Missouri $50
Mr. lsoshs6si, lrsp Of Ill.,. took exceptions TO the