New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1867-07-18
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Mr. DEvELIN said 1t must be breach or faith 70 taEe
away revenues that pledged 10 the exnSuishmsnt
Of the city debt. The inquiry would properly belong 10
tie legislature IN ORDER tnat y %s n o ,h rnoul@e
J1dse NELSON Dem Dntchess) moved the reference
the Committee the Judiciary Of the Following pro
posed Constitutional provision: =,
lard acres in esteH 1sed 'r p
lie lives shall entitled upon desth O he person or g,
sTpers Of sb SS. So leased e absos,e upon psyng ,s,
person persons to whom such lands would ssI. Al as
e value from nPS'snesis hereafter %sse
determine Of the appointment Of such appraisers esd sss
Judge vERPLANIK (Den.. Erie moved to lay the re
solution upon the table; Lost; .,.,. ..,,o,
properly belonged TO the Preamble aud Bin Of hish,s
Bill OF Rights. The Judiciary Committee had nothmgto
do with law and constitutional rights but simply has 10
in court and decide upon these rights They nave nom
ing to do with abstract rights. .-,.... -.
Judge PAIGE Dem sehenectadyl thought tne rs,er
enee TO the judiciary Committee apprGpste a no '.s
b5s beS y e 1 on " d"sS In
forests who had prepared elasse BEARING 9n Ie
! the Committee Judiciary was lost
Mr.. G. C. DWIGHT Rep Cayuga EoGysd Us re,ere c
10 the Committee Preamble anu BIZ OF hghte Gar
ried.
The Convention then went into Committee Of the
Whole upon the Suffrage question. Mr.. Alyord d'ep,
OnOndagD in the chair.
| Mr. COLIAHAN Dem Kings took ground against tho
extension OF suffrage TO colored men, aud IN FAVOR vi
separate submission Of the Question Cha, tho
sion Of suffrage to negroes Would hazard ne SUES or %.
had advocated the retention OF the property 1lahraon
in the Constitution He was opposed to H. ana IN, GU
tleman who had offered the amendnent under cohsdeM
ton OIr Murphy had distinctly stated that he was also
opposed TO it; while he was willing to gve tlat aiaeDo
ment fair trial, lie could see no objections 10 nmsenat
manhood suffrage. There were serious objections 70 no
clause reQnrng residence Of thirty days instead o. Yen
days. II it was insisted upon II would Spsrate n,shn
upon large number Of persons who had decared ,Aef
| MI WAKEMAN rep, Genosce) argued in favor OF
universal manhood suffrage He called upon the Leading
| IN bo Gfafp Ia
question forever, admitting the situation
The Committee rose, reported progress, and leave was
granted sit again. recess was taken 10 O'Clock
The Convention reassemblod attp.m:
Mr. DUGANNE rep, New YorN offered q memorial
against donations ectaran institutions The following
BY Mr.. GREELEY Rep westchester That discussion
in Committee Of the Whole on the penGlng amenmspt
on the suffrage question: be declared closed at O'Clock
Mr.. f. BROOKS Dem, Richmond moved TO lay the
resolution on the table. Carried, So to 2s,
Mr. DUGANNE moved that tle Committee on Banking
and Insurance and the Committee on Corporations re
port upon the proprety OF Organizing bureau oi GOT
poiations. Referred
The Convention then went into Committee OF the
Whole right Of suffrage MI Ayord in the chair
Mr. WEED Deni Clnton) regretted that gentlemen
had forced politics into this discussion Some Repubh
cans had taken the ground that Democrats, as matter
OF must %rCng upon he d s 70 aeane his po
He Mas opposed 70 the R[oPsg ps wese 10
vote and he was in favor removing from them all dis
abilities and with that view lie was in fyor OF the posi-
for fr and square submission Of this question separate
from every other consideration Then every man MIi
in which much Interest is manifested why are tho
majority here anxious 10 defeat the measure 81 @g~
rate submssiOnf is because they fear u WIZ be nc,
feated He could place other construction upon ther
words; hut he had no fears OF the result Ihe peope
would ndorse and remove al restrictions
now imposed upon any class on yo'eIs ne nao .c,"
Suppose people down The coIstltation' then
Mr. GREELEY said he would have al colored men vote
Mr. WEED-Then you would have them do so in VIOLA
Vr GFEEfFYGThe Constitution IL above the statute
Mr. MEED-Yes, aud il the gentleman was discussing
sIEtion Then if ycu have negroes vote this Fam In
violation Of the statute would you have women NOie
Mr. GREELEY-f we give them the right here TO do
. | so. / would have them exercise II this Fall
| Mr.. WEED-The gentleman gees deeper and deeper
He forgcs that tins Convention has no power TO egsale
and that al that be done here j. OF no consequence
until is ratified by the people a. provided y sa1nic
the other side had sought TO make II IL was for that
reason that he would give separate submission, aId
give all a chance TO vote upon il, untIammecd sop,
pose send 70 the people a Constitution win pad
system and incorporate with them negro suffrage Al
woHd down together bur submit the suffrage question
separately and majority shall vote for H. then viii
Mr. MAsTEN Dem Erie had always supposed that
the Democratic party the party with which he had acted
from his youth up, was opposed oany property quaca.
ton, and as Democrat he took that ground. Now IL
there was other why negroes should not vote
than the possession OF property, then he should La
clothed with the eleetive franchise All questions upon
which the people differ widely should he submitted separ-
aely IL clearly the duty OF the Convention 10 ho
This course, because there other which 10
could be brought to their attention so fairly ard directly
lie should support the proposition anG he wanted 1000
so untrammeled by other amendment. Something
had said about party He had hoped that all party
considerations would be forgotten here. and that we
should endeavOr make the best Constitution possible.
IL had been said that Republicans would vote for negro
suffrage, and the Democrats against IT, butt the gentlemen
would be mistaken when the vote came 10 be iahen
| would then be found that the Democrats would be
wronCed upon both sides and he feared that the Re
publcans would occupy the same position lie wonhi
prefer 10 have the question submitted without the
property qualification. Let all negroes vote or bsfran-
chise them ALI let do away with all odious restrictions
Mr.. PAIGE DEM Schnectadyl referred 10 the manner
fine present Constitution and said II the gentlemen
Thought best 10 submit the simple question 10 whether
should vote or not, wlhsut estIstoD hs was
conteit but he agreed with the Proposition that INC
Of franchise TO be extended IL was ID TINS view that
he would prefer separate submission s Si te que,
ed and IL should be sent out as separate and dsonct
proposition. The science OF Government true reatonhx
sound principle would justify IT, There was no other
way to dispose Of it. The 81 of Rights guaranteed
free election but negro suffrage should be Incorporated
Men would compelled TO vote under duress 10 vots
against whole for the whole We had no night to
was submitted TO them IL was ourduty 10 give them
opportunity 20 say distinctly whether they had or not
Mr.. COOKE REP Ulster denied that the right OF sum
rage privilege conferred by eXpediency 10 was,
rather inherent right of citizenship The proposition
| Of the gentleman from Cayuga C. G. Dwight was TO
strike the word black from the present Constitution
IL the duty OF the Convention 10 revise me tohsb
ton, aud VIXEN that done the result Should Gun.
mtted to the people II the question OF sdlage WHICH
was the first considered submitted separately,
| would have TO be treated IN the same manner;
After frthe debate by NessFs; MCDONALD ,Rspi On,
Dem, Kings moved that the Committee rise and report
The CHAIR was about to put the motion the amend.
mend offered by the gentleman from Kings Murphy pro-
ydng for separate submission 10 the people, when Mr.
he nostnoned until there should be full Ths
Convention had been in session from o'clock TO u