New-York tribune., 1867-08-21
o,v,l,. moved that Sue House % disagree, and th'
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yOlyed the question 0I representation VI ~
on It's being read t-r..-f. ..f.
Mr. aught rose Immediately and moved 'ts"' ui'
House disagree to this amendment" Mr. Bright 10
ceeded point ont tho injustice which would :,
those constituencies who lad recently received an ado
ditional member account % their large population
The result would be TO eavO the hso ory IN those towns
with representative instead of three, rs the vote %
the minority representative would always nuly lhato
which would arise in tho workings Of the scheme Mr..
Bright concluded thus:
tOnal that feel am humiiatng yO and myself by dis
cussing it, No, not humi iating you, because yOuo
not believe 1t. You believe IN the Chancellor Of the Ek
,chequef Laughter The Chancellor Of tho Exchcquer
made the most Impressive speech this question hepyer
from his heart YOu believed in him. and You voted with
him He thinks nc thought then; he has followed
word in it which no will cOntradict tell honorable
gentlemen that this not question for the convenience
of Lords has done that which is thought right but yot
disagree the House OF Lords wrl consult not Only
Of Commons but It's own in agreeing to The
course you may take You arc Save noTeprtheT
may not be written down In any CLAUSE OF te consu'u.
tSe Uonse Of PeerspSwcrs OF witch You dyes
yourselves-powers which spung from inc very souISoo
yof 6S ee S1SS S6So@s and y5n dare ho
nOtabandon those powers or give mp those ilgnts ln e
eentlemen may say that speak strongly or Passlonatey
because represent constituency interested III tae mit,
should be ashamed that cifceisIanSo oia & 10.
make some difference my feelings. but must'Say Una,
If were TO 60 out Of the hOSsT S rea Tu than
vote this or represent eonstuenoy unoet
such bcb 5Sn sneak at this %o4sRt
May ask this House to lift itself Tor nCnen aDoFNI7
Sn STs SsTty at at pFy pR No @ ono apPoss pos that
will injure the Government WIN 10 70
man opposite in the future history OF this country II this
measure OF theirs is not defaced by such blot speak
with The House Of lords and let us look at simply
refers to the great body Of the people fo To WeIs w are
name that grand old freedom for which our ISheo:
SSg S %e %ed all irpESed S@ So S1d 3 dag Of our birth to the
hoqT enjoy say IH \ u ts @ drea
giants in the English constitutional hhtory-whe lo
mery sat IN this House. they would have drd1 cafipa
There of those names that are 70 oe dona W.
the grand classic musterroI OF Engmsn m ar eS0 6s So 20
which invite you Prolonged eheerhgJ
Mr. Gadstone:nade aipowerful and eloquent speech on
the same side and concluded with the following sum.
mary and perorati0n:
We contendng for the representation OF COM
munties and we maintain that II you depart from that
principle by the recognition Of this scheme for the so
called representation OF mnorities you VIII constantly
raise up claims the part of the majority OF those com
munities which will be equitable that It viii be mpos
sibe TO resist them, and II you begin TO give I'D 70 t1oss
claims and give the msonties IN those towns ,he rgnt
pleading behalf Of mlnorteshe end OF that can only
be that the principle must be equally @ %Scs
have hitherto been one OF the monopoles OF those WI!
before you with claims which. either "a toto or IN approx
maton, you will, unless you are heedhl, De com
iny as the RESULT Of intense party personal feeling.
but in consequence Of strong opinion whch ehte,an enc
pOsa that convinced Of its being very dangerous
Measure quite admit that II adopt either u the
two aternatyes TO recognize or to decline recognize
the claims Of minores, you must be prepared 70 ea,Ty
geneIay n not universally, tRroughoat the country. 4
am very doubtful whether, the rule were universally
whether the representation the communityo all
ties shades eeings classes and interests OF the
great many difficulties 70 contend with In connection
with the machinery ana have NOT yet neara any ops
well that when Earl Russell first made the proposal
In 1854, the honorable member for Birmingham
rose in his place, and asked HIM when, for in-
stance, the member representing the minority Ia
and lord Russell though not deficient in parliamentary
ingenuity. found himself unable at the time 10 give
quite plain that II we recognize in electoral system
such distribution OF power this upon the principle OF
extensive application throughout the country then in
long parliament there will be this dheultya yer large
OF parliament OF great length ana ali tne seSts
the outset will be gradually taken up by the majority
deposition checrs and shall lind during the courss
Of ch gf tSs cause cause though ~ the sene2a
suaered no change whatever. Hear, hear.l That
Is impossible 10 get over. L have oniy one or Two
hold The bin which we have passed isa bill which. in
respect OF the borough franchise and may say in
respect to the entire franchise hope may be SAID inthe
main carry with every promise OF durability or, at
all events, II Is which will not open up discussion.
upon that part OF the subject at an early period BNn
Is secret that that portion of the measure which re-
laes the redistribution OF seats stands In very d
ferent position hear, hearl l. myself yenturedto TO give
very distinct lntimation upon that subject when the
bill waSpassing through the House OF Commons ana slce
that time my opinions have received very considerable
confirmation am not about to venture upon any bIeaSh
OF order need not allude 20 time or place. but tho
foct is udOubted for l. myself heard with own ears
the highest organ of the Government ofcaly pronounce
I'm his place, that n the next session OF Parliament any
new and further plan OF redistribution proposedthe
Goyernmen would y no means prepared to say that
this matter which they settled lst year, ahd mat
they would therefore decline 10 entertain this consts
tonal question; but, the contrary, that they
would give II fair ana eauulo cOnslueratlob.
fUear hear Sir discainin all intentions Of speaking
I'm mere party sense, entreat the house not To give
TO the great and powerful communities throughout the
country the opportunity and prOvocaton OF enlsting
their great power and their faculty Of acting upon the
public mind OF the cOuntry-snrpened as those powers
will be by OF wrong having been inflicted upon
them AM, OF their having been selected for dis
paragement not extended To others-do not say pro-
Yoke them to raise another agitation nced and headed
by sense of wrong and disappointment. lHear. hearl
Let rather endeavor 10 determine that the great WORK
of legislation In which we have been SO long engaged
shall be as sound and solid make It; and vita
have sTant pasSd the ordeal OF philosophers Of no
mean order but which have not yet taken their place IN
the regions OF practical life, let us urge the claNhsa
think is claim we are entitled to make-for amps
time facilities, and opportunity Of discussing and er:
aminng Them OF turning them round aud round ana Q,
using every human instrument for being more assr,a
of their character and effect before being called upon W
give them place Ia the constitutional law Oh England
Mr Lowe was the principal spcakci in favor Of tho
Upon division the amendment ot the House Of
list shows that the Conservatives for the
scheme, and were supported 10y n,aly si the Aai
amites and by several leading men crs ~ the kadci
party among them Mr.. j. $. MIL. Professor FaWee'@
and Mr. Tom Hughes. . =. III -, -....0s
time Cexcusive OF the City Of London, which the sun
ject OF separate cause only in number aII I arc