The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1867-07-30

tusure ava not seem to fghten the House half 20 mucA
- Mr. Lowe expected The conservatives still main
Gained the grim silence with which they had listened TO
Lord Cranborne and the cheers OF the opposition were
Too ironcal 70 be pleasant In fact Engishmen
longer afraid OF becoming like the Americans and ma
5ority OF them desire 10 become
Mr. Lowe commenced the second part OF his Grafton BY
defending himself from the charge Of assisting to pass
the Reform bill. by opposing Gadstones measure last
year He showed that his predictions had como true
and charged that both Gladstone and Bright had got
reform than they wanted. "what," he asked, does
the honorable member for Birmingham say on this sub
jec He had been agtatng the country for household
suffrage, but not meaning To get it. daughter.) In
he has goti (Iaughter) The leader Of the
has been already outstrpped, and he shrnks
back like Don Giovanni. which told is the Italian
Tor John. Great laushterl Don Giovanni asked the
OF the Commentators to supper because he had
no Idea that his invitation would be accepted;
but the statue did come. That 10 exactly
She position Of the honorable member for
Birmingham. and I suppose that he will
get up and tell US that nothing is ridiculous as to
shnk that we cannot limit these things Was 1t be
conceived that the right honorable gentlemen with whom
] daily In confidential Communication last year,
when they held widely different opinions and who had
given no indications OF their extreme facility OF chang
ing their opinions and lending themselves the arts OF
treachery would for the sake Of keeping few Of them
In olce for short time and giving small patron
age to halls dozen lawyers have been prepared to sacr
Zee all the principles all the convictions and oil the ira
dtions of their lives while others prepared to turn
round their order and the institutions OF the
country merely for purpose OF sitting behind those
right honorable gentlemen and hearing with the
knowledge that it IS all true. the language
which the noble Lord (Cranborne) has used
tonight You are we'll rewarded" Mr.. Lowe
cluded with few words regard to education "That
whole question:, he SAID, has completely changed
All the opinions held the subject have been scat
tered to the winds by this measure OF the government
shrunk from the notion OF forcing education upon the
people; but believe it will be absolutely
cary that you should prevail future masters
learn their ieitcrs.n This received with
cheers aud OF laughter In his most imprisoned
style Mr. Lowe referred in his pcroration the battle Of
Cheron@a, and begged that "a might rise who
could FORTH words that would die, the rage,
che the indignation and the despair with which
this Reform bill is viewed by every Englishman who is
slave party dazzled by the glare Of tempo
rarv and isnobie success"
cheering but louder cries OF dissent, hailed the
close of Mr.. loves harangue, and continued until John
Bright to rise. Great the occasion and
the opportunity Mr.. Bright prepared for it, His
speech evidently impromptu and far below his
usual mark. He endeavored to prove that he had al
ways been Of household SUFFRAGE and that part
OF tho present Reform bill identical with clause
which he had prepared in 1859. ~ do not complain"
he continued ''of the passing OF this bill, Of the
House having adopted in its entirety but have said
that, looking at the prevailing opinion Of powerful
classes this country, who regarded such step with
fear and alarm, and also to the fact which man
deny. that there is class. which l hope
is constantly decreasing, 10 whom tho extern
sion Of the franchise at present possibly
30 of advantage either themselves the
cry should have been willing to consent to pro-
position which foil short OF household suffrage and
simple l have been charged with wishing to urge Par
lament and the country to of q very perious
character When somebody wished to say something
worry terrible about accused Of endeavoring to
Americanize our institutions But have no wish to go
far very fast My impression is that in the
political changes which inevitable In time in all
countries and which certainly inevitable in this
any other country, it is advantage the
try these great changes should be made rather by
steps than all at when there
Is large class In the country who have been terrified
by what you doing. That is the principle upon
whichI have always acted have condemned
governnents and ministers because they did 60
Sfar as they might have done; and whenever govern
meut upheld an honest and sound principle have
aiways gwen them my support In every shape Under
these circumstances / shall be glad If this measure
passes without q division. for one shall certainly
not move the House to 60 10 division upon IT, and
when has passed perhaps 1t may be found that going
at TO household suffrage has been wiser than
any Lesser step would have been" After this extra
ordinary outburst Of conservatism, and few remarks
concerning the redistribution OF seats Mr.. Bright
thgs finished his Grafton: RISE sir for the purpose
saying thai the RICH; honorable gentleman has done
me- and for the FIRST time, injustice in the OBJ
acrvations no has made. There is foundation for
hA charc IA has m n al a m
cerned have been consistent this matter from FIRST
90 last, when have been willing to mako conces-
Difference TO opinions which We are bound to
regard. am delighted that Parliament by so large
majority, should to believe that 10 wise and safe
the franchise extensively TO our country
Ths noble Lord, from whom differ much as regards
this bill, has expressed hope, With, believe as much
sincerity do, that tho people, trusted with so
much political power-,rusted, too, at time whom It
might possibly have been withheld, though do not
think that would have boon altogether safe to have
tired their power these walls all
future ume may enclose any Parliament less
worthy OF great nation than the Parliament which is
assembled"
Tho debate now saclened, many Of the members
rushing or to supper, and Dir. Bright walking away
rs he had done speaking in his usual ungracious
style The ministers still reserved their FIRE, and only
the small guns we're heard Mr.. Graves thanked the
government on behalf OF his conservative constituents
for excellent n bill Mr. Goldsmid expressed I'M
bounded confidence the constituencies Of the future
Mr Gorst another conservative could support such
bill without decent interval in which to change his
OPINIONS. Mr. Cowen showed that household suffrage
was an old ana popular idea in England. Mr. Beresford
Hope saw nothing in the bill but . high bid for mob
favor. VII. II Seymour, liberal. liked the bill, and
did not like Mr.. Gladstone any longer. Mr. Barrow
vas decidedly in favor OF the old state Of affairs
Then rose Lord Elcho. Of the liberal members
who deserted Mr. Gladstone last year and formed what
was called The Cave Of Adulan He defended the
Of iadcpondsnt members and moderate liberals, like
himself both In opposing the bill Of Mr. Gladstone and
in supporting that Of the present ministry He charged
cha, 1t was such men as Lord Cranborne pessimsts
ressrds human nature. who had swept away
tics ball and sat snivsring ct the thought OF