The New York herald., 1866-02-27
In py to this question tn. wtnes. detailed the inter-


In reply to this question witness detailed the inter-
view us given 10 hls direct examination
Did M. Lawrence say In substance that there wa
probably forgot TO state that Mr. Lawrence not say
before we mt to the safe that he had one Of the bonas
he produced this $500 bond himself after had toih MN
10 save us trouble; he had quite number OF bondi
mostly seventhirtes he had some four or five nve-
Mr. Chambers-Have you made any proposition to Mr..
Lawrence to settle this matterS
wltness-In tn way have; when we came before
Judge Downg the Judge remandcd tho prisoner to tho
custody OF the vcer until the following Friday going
down stairs Mr. Lawrence said he wanted TO 90 70
Boston, he said when / back next Friday
II You will meet me business man Ill settle with
you;' said You know our poston;we have but these
bonds, and want them their equivalent in money:
good another" said, ''Mr L. want you 70
distinctly understand that hold ont no Inducements
make any threats for you 10 settle this; you must be
guided by your own Judgment" he said that they
had comd into possession OF them in fair square way
think he said thoy had record Of them which could
be at any time.
Re-direct-Dd Mr. Lawrence offer TO show you This
bond before you informed him that you had
warrant No, sir; and not then did he pro
pose deliver them until we had searched the safeI
Mr.. courtney-Was IL not until after you iniormsa
him you had the warrant that he said they had bought
them In fair and square wayf
witness-Ycs sir he did not say from whom he
subsequently from him from whom he bought them; he
did not state how he would SETTLE whether wouid %
e-crosseIamined-Mr. Lawrence said he did nos
want any trouble about them
Judge Dowling-Did Mr. Lawrence tell you from
Q From whoms A. Farrar Lyons, No 81 Soush
street; they had bought them from Spencer petts
Marvin T. Rodman sworn--I am clerk IN the unitcd
States Treasury partment; have there three
years. have these coupons before have had them
in possession they were paid on the goth OF Noyo%-
ber 1853 five of them paid on that date To L. s.
Lawrence Co. tho next payments were made on Aprs
90 1864 and November 20 1904; another payment was
made in May 1865, and they we're due again IN Noyem-
ber 1865 but cannot say that they were paid have
received letter from Washington on the subj osj
there has been an alteration which is quite APPARENT
do detecting
the forgery broker before entered the treasury
Department In my opinion person wouo nays u. ou.
knowledge that Mr. Lawrence himself secured
the payment on the coupons; ! have his rece'pti
the paper shown is schedule made out by Mr. Lawrence
and down by him. 1t scustomary for brokers toscnd
SUCH is the custom Of the department not to pay cou
pons the number Of which have been altered II clerk
receives them 1t is his duty refuse payment; the cou
pons presented to the department wero paid don't
know whether MIR Lawrence presented the coupons him
self not; the clerk who paid them did not detect tho
alteration.
Mr, COurtncy-t suppose he was green ana do NOS
know his business.
Mr. sanneborn recalled-In November, 1885, Ircocived
letter from the Treasury Department in relation W
coupon bonds; tho letter shown me is the ono
received.
Mr. Courtney-I propose 70 Introduce that letter -
evidence
Justice DowlIng-I suppose there is question abcuG
the loss OF these bondsf
Mr. Courney-My object Is to show that Mr. Lawrence
had these bonds thaone of them was found In his pos
q
deliver them Captain Jourdan. but declined 10 do
SO by advice Of counsel
told OF this PROMISE and objected to it, and instructed
HIM TO decline delivering them up, as he had purchased
them in good faith when came up this morning -
counsel had no idea thai complaint would be made
against Mr.. Lawrence; have been surprised at the
of the prosecution; have been counsel for Mr.
Lawrence for years and have such knowledge Of this
transaction that would DO improper for TO appear
as counsel and Witness shall employ counsel for hE
Lawrence will be called as witness.
Mr. Cour - W q
witnesses and reserve Mr. Chambers until the last
Mr.. Chambers-It is delicate position for man b
occupy:
Mr. Chambers-They bong my bankers, will say thas
some OF them were purchased by me and the coupons
collected by me and went Into my pocket Iaugbterl
Mr. Courtney-Well, that Is our case.
Mr.. Chamb rs-Tbe defence Of this case will occupy
some time and must ask that be adjourned that other
counsel may be procured for air Lawrence
Justice Dowling-Under tho circumstances, then, the
Mr. Howe-There is no evidence against Mr. Pettia
No one Is here TO make complaint can't see whse
connection my client has got with this He is noe
Incorporated In this charge He is only mentioned In the
Justice Dowling-The responsibility is placed upcs
me now and will take II. will keep Mr. Pett.s.
hr. Howe-Upon what grounds' Your Honor does nos
Justice Dowiing~I will commit no injustice From
information have received must have evidence. v
Mr. Lyons heres
do business at Si South street, havo seen these bonds
BEFORE bought five bonds OF that character.
Justice Dowling.From whom did you obtain thems
Wness-From y. 8. POTTS; my partner disposed q
them TO L. s. Lawrence 4 Co.. IL so appears upon oar
books; 1t is usual cash entry, credited 70 Lawrence
4 Co
Mr. Howe-I now ask that Mr.. Petts may be allowed
TO show how he came n possession Of these bondss
grant II. will hold Mr. Pettls 5000 ball and
Mr. Lawrence also.
Henry c. Lyons became Mr. IAwrcnce's bondsmaa,
and Petts who could not procure ball. committed
TO await the result OF the examination which win b
continued at nine o'clock next Monday morning.