The New York herald., 1866-01-30

M State IN the sense of puonc ihNr Not
at ALL They never ceased 10 be States
They were States In the OF public
international law and in the contemplation OF tho United
states because the habltual obedience duo from them 10
the government Of the United States only suspended
not abrogated destroyed r they had succeeded In
refusing that obedience permanently and forever then
they would have ceased 10 be saies in the Union
otherwise During the OF 1872 the British took pos
session OF the territory Of Maine including tho town
and port OF Castine, and held year completely and
absolutely that the people held by the courts TO
have been absoved from obedience TO the government
patton withdrawn No The State renewed Ia
functions and went on just the usupaton had never
states In the winter Of 1870 and spring Of 1861 con-
spaey against the governments OF the Unitod Siatcs ex
stcd IN this cyin this Houscaidod by agents and CO.
consprators In other sections Of the country. IL was tho
duty OF the government TO take precautions against tho
projected nsupaton The distinguished chiefain then
al the head OF the had the station ng
OF troops IN the Southern States prevent tho of
such an attempt AZ usurpation The government failed
to perform ts duty The President Of the United States
had a theory which prevented him, and the Con.
gress OF that day would have refused TO give him the
power to do II cectualy. Through tho default the
force. Who did not believe that II there had
been 6eon reasonable force stationed In North
Carolina that State would never have fallen into the
hands OF traitors and usurpersf The same true OF
almost all the other States II tho had pet
formed ts solemn obligations TO garnntee 20 each state
republican form Of government, the rebellion would
have been prevented II usnrDation does not ncces
proves success whom does that take placet uners IL
holds power permanently II IN not success, and docs
not achieve the object Of taking the State out OF the
Union. The people OF the South had no choice in the
matter. Tf they refused obedience 10 the usnrIlng
power they were punished for their refusal II they
hesatcd their goods conhscated II the usurpers
had been expelled In six months, In year or In two
years, would anybody have contended that the Sales
out OF the uniopY And would any one
point out the precise line in point OF time when
a state gets out OF the Union by the usurpaon
Of ir powersf All through the war delegates and repre-
senativcs from states that were Ia rebel handsLonsi
ana Tennessee, Kentncky-wcre admitted 10 this House
The gentloman from Pennsylvania (Mr Broomall had
b'en.factous in abiding to the TACT tbsd h. hir Ray
ucman from New jersey Nir Rogers lie cir. Ray.
mond had learned long ago that much beiter TO
be nsht WITH political opponent than wrong With
political edhercnt; and he had no hsnitaon In saying
that he would far rather e right with the gentleman
from New Jorscy than be wrong IN such stln-
gishod company AZ that OF the gentleman from Penn
sylsania He knew nothing hut right ana wrong In this
question: ard should act his Judgment
deayo 40 10 be right every poui. The gen.
tem9r PennsyvaBa would end that this
no Tor Linn, for hc had expressed himself
10 u eject in a speech AZ Wilmington Del IN
the Gi II the States had cone out Of the l'non
they ~ zone out ut particular time, and IN
consequeL specific act. aud he asked Tor dr-
hnition o. and at. IL was easy n tell when
each state member Of the Union aud n should
be no lcf u when u ceased 60 be one. II u ever
did WhG 9Th Carolina cease 10 be a member
Was II th, adopted the ord nance Of secessioni
Did the ~ .cssion make her ccase 20 bc n mem
bcr7 Would any gentleman maintain that theory lie
dd not nndcs'and the gentleman from Ohio TO maintain
that position.
AIR. sHsids.s1 gaER--I did not maintain that position
hf. R.ysoS0-If The passage ~ Tho ofdinance Of ,e
eeson lid NOT effect the severance of the rebel states
whai didf Was n the fact that they made war That
fact nothing In hself That Sas game thai Two
could play s. and unless they mad9 sucee, wAT lhe
fsct Of making war had no reIevandy II ALL and could
make change their consii,nii{ i{nai relstona Was
u the duration o. the that accord psb that rc'
II 30 what the length OF time esientia 10 ~
psbnenr wss the mode Of inakibg war; The fact al
ludcdto by thegsntlsman from Pennsfyania tAr Broom
ALI Of their cony crtng thr bones Dur martyred
into ornamentry OF course 90 ono prctcnded thai Thsn /,
neither the fact making war the duration of
the war the method OF carrying teu, which effected
nf l4era luff
but the result OF the war which cour Accomplish ~ II
The war Ind boon saoeesful tisu eg wpuld the pur
pose of psrating from ihe Unon have bcea accomplished
Mr. Raymond couba,ted the hea that the decsion of
the supreme Court IN the prize cases showed that the
Judge Griers decision, and from M Richard X Danas
pamphlet on H. 10 sustain bis position II had been claimed
that the rebel states had forfeited thor rights and bad
therefore ceased 70 have any Dgha That was novel
doctrine to him. He did not know how States could
forfeit their rights Thoy certainly could not DO u out
SIDE OF the constitution, and there no provision In
the constitution under which they could do ~ They
had not done II BY the law Of nations We bad no,
waged q war of conquest upon them We hal acquired
by victories them nothing but what had
before bad put down the rebellion, crushed the
patton cleared the rebel states o all the authority that
and when that was done, were done and the states
remained a. before We certainly had not conquered them
la Of -ulrgAion There proylsl found
Ia the constitution for the orietng of state ugbs there
provisions for punishins nds dnala bat for
punishing states The acts of the government Ia all he
legislative aud jud
ed that View and proceeded the supposon that hsy
that they continued 10 be States of the Union during All
the war, and that they States % tho Union Ia
this connection Mr. Raymond rofernes 10 tie procIama.
fons Of Mr.. Lncon; 20 his declaratODs private and
pubio; 10 his hra inaugural; W hs diplomatic cor
respondence through the secrc,ary u State 70 Mr. Jn
Greeley and Fernando Wood and 10 ls reply made 70
The French prupossls of mediation of the 9Th Of Petrnay
nsed eons,tn,Iouai forum of desss Tor The aionasa
parties, that senaton and Representatives from The
loyal portion Of the people were thsre already fuiy en-
and laf eal1 In.
viting Senators and Representatives from the de
oontened part who might be oonsiitnionsliy ssu, terr
from the states involved Ia The lnsGretion. hr RAY
Inond also referred 10 be laws NJ Congress pased tie
idea 20 the ann and revenue last "a the net f0f
nnins he object ~ the war ~ bs 70 defend and main
tad The supremacy ~ the contutlon and H. tntfffte
the Union with all Ne dainty eqaahiy sud nights u he
of Ie6 had been voted for BY all ihe UDion mem
bers Of The Bouse incladlng the rIeaksT, NJ kelley
and Mr ShelAlarger The gentleman frous PenhayrAhA
(nr sievens had always held tho theory that TOE
rebel States we're out ~ tho LnDn. Ter 90 the sth ~
December Ise2 be Introduced r.aoistion deciaring
States In -fher the otve The lee ssfive b4nfh
should pfopoae to make pe.ee or Accspt ~ afsisa !
other basas than The integrity ard euurs unity ~ .
The United ssiss and Their ierui0ry tbsJ sIits a
crime He (Mr Raynspfl ald pfuFyaa to b. Fnlfy Il
of bsi high orims H. hai beard 4 said that ths rsoi
states eEiopt~d BY their acfs from ciaimEF \
their nshw Bai be Submitted mat the doeinHs ~ Il
@~soppage must b. muipa hbd That, ConEraEn Lad Il
declared the eayse' q ne ss' 70 b. 70 pr.ervs a..
rghts of tue tate. unmpafed. couFreee esiDpvef
frum putiins Ia sny Nbsf pca to-day W. Hayin0uf Y
also rrfsrsd ~ srseeh delivered W Chef isce case
n~sriy year ago IN Dartmouth College, in uhsh la 4
laid down the pf0I1sitlnn That uc Efl2l 5tsie~ Il
remained States ~ tbe tflDu, and thai TIE 4
second PROCESS of reoggansAilon AS thai ihs fgv.
ahDud revert 10 the hands 1f the Nsgtsru Il
people hr Raymond rsferred io tbe eOndaet ~ rfsf
dent Lincoln and Pres asni Johnsa snes tho dos u
the war in i~rslng smnesty proAfnAiigns sud tatfg
othrr ~ rsuves tbf lf " ine syaisrn htsief
With tAer rolitiea frhtH We IA r0t kn0a tbai tleFs
spseial call for he lrftos fiou - Gaagfss
ths rutgscf rbs dsty bod besn eel performed W tte
Executye he riAfsa thr fu sxsrcnr ~ thsiF |
fqnction of all fFofrfbmsni he federal aNs prrE
thsr statute boks and wefe fniy exeNt~3 Tarea
coiected there Tbstf forts wers orn shd rcsssls
tsftng them paid duties ~ ile nshsF ts ~ ta
CO.. niy Thp.s States - DAP states ~ ni9n
and n0sd only ~ Fyt ogf q tbe nion ~ eFDIi.u ~