The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1866-04-22


rebels such honor their being successful In taking
az hs scoo Uus Of thu conSss,.s was
gross violation Of right That government never had
been admitted into the family Of nations The federal
Its legal rights as we'll as the rights OF war
Mr. joins l. Thomas Jr. lrepl Of Mo, next ad-
He held that Congress had full control the whole
subject The unseemly haste on the part Of the late
rebel States be admitted TO representation in Congress
their terms only equaed by their precipate
action In leaving the halls Of Congress in 1851 They
government which they would break up tot by
political rckery they had the power His own desire
was that the rebel States should have their repre-
senatves In Congress- but at the time he
sibe Of the duty which he owed 70 the country and to
those loyal men Of the South who had stood true TO the
doubt that the rebellion would be finally crushed out
and traitors mado TO feel their guilt, and although
ors had not met that punishment which their
crimes deserved, still he had confidence In
the devotion and patriotism OF the loyal masses o. ,ne
tate the terms which they should resume their rea
tons TO the government Either they were TO be con
suited to the terms that would best please them or
Congress lay down the terms which they were
to be received back While he denied that any State
could be taken out OF the Union, its government
could be usuvped destroyed not only TO require
remodelling, but to require a whole new framework
II was for Congress to decide, no; only whether the
state governments OF the south having been subverted
have been reconstructed. but TO examine and SEQ
whether they have been 50 entte them
TO representation. These states should remain where
they had renamed for the last four years. in the Unon
be because they had not the TO get out OF
IT, but in the Unon Invested OF all their rights OF repre-
in Congress- until the OF the loyal peo
pie of the country had hedged them in with guaran
with that right He believed that the country on
the OF revout portentous TO tho next genera
ton as the recent rebellion had been to this Inc very
striving TO get back to the places they had so
isnominiously deserted, in order that they might
control the government which they had so
impously striven overthrow He believed that
the President had made great and sad and he feared
fatal mistake in the indscrimnate manner In which he
had granted pardons. II wonder that the red
handed traitors such friends TO the Presidents
policy because they that that policy was 70 give
them back all their rights and place them possession
of the government fully a. before they went into tho
rebellion. The Presidents policy had done more TO
make respected and traitors heroes than the
establishment Of independent Confederate government
could have done the Presidents policy were carried out
it would only put the eleven rebel States In the hands
OF rebels but the time would not be long before rebels
would have complete control OF tn" government In all It's
departments 1t no wonder that every rebel, from
Jen DAVIS down to every subatcrn, including oush,
whackers ayhawkers and guerllas was an earnest and
devoted admirer OF the Presidents policy, wa ius.
could live by and the which they professed through
their papers TO be ready to die by He desired TO see
constitutional amendment adopted prohibiting Congress
from repudatng part OF the federal debt and from
assuming paying part of the Confederate debit Tor
although there fear OF such thing Tor the pre-
sent or the next Congress- there knowing what
might done the rebel States admitted 10 repre-
scntation in Congress.
Mr. SMITH rep) of KY was the to address the
House He proposed he said TO discuss the present con
dton of The states and of the country the PROPOSE
tons President and Of Congress He held that the
ordinances null and void and that all the
passed by Congress during the four years OF war
upon the ground that these rebel states were
not out Union and could not get out OF the Union
Il did follow because the rebel States were admitted
to the right in Congress dsloya Repro
senatiyes should be allowed 10 take seats in either
House That had never been asked by the PRESIDENT or
any s Sss dope The policy by
the late President Lincoln had been carried out by Prs
don't johnson, and under IL the southern States had
formed their organizations How was that poicy 70 ue
changed, what change was there ~ DO made In hr
Mr. ScHoErxED rep) OF Pa, asked IL It made any dif-
ference whether who had been engaged In the re
beliion admitted Representative or man who
had not been engaged In the rebellion, but who woud
vote exactly the ex-rebcl would vote.
Mr. SMITH replied that he did how that difficulty
could be avoided There was nothing In the const-
tuition or laws by which i could be done II ara not
radical friend McKce would hereafter send Kepresen-
tave OF their stamp Because the State OF Illinois sent
20 this House who seven feet eleven inches
high did follow that the district would hereafter
send Of the same stature or Of the same strong
political views !iaughter) What legislation could
Mr. BourwnI, lrep) Of Mass, asked whether the gen
political opinions elected nom the loyal States ON
questions concerning the administrator OF the govern
and recognizing the right OF people VINO are n pre-
sent not 10 be represented until ama
tive action Is taken thofart of the government Twas
others hat in some Of these rebel states nine enih
the people denied the right OF the government 70 ext
Were they he allowed congress ana assert
the power OF representation for the overthrow Of the
govronment
Mr. SIXTH admitted the difference in the two PROPOSE
tions but he did why States in which tho cond
tons did not exist should not bo admitted TO reirecna
ton. .
Mr. BOUTWELL, asked whether tho gentleman from Ken
lucky would connc tho elective franchise IN MISSISSIPPI
for example, to loyal white men, excluding disloyal
white men.
Mr. smrH replied that no would
Mr. boutwell, then asked whether the gentleman ex-
pected that toe nhs disoyal people would permit
thar md
which they would be excluded.
Mr. SMITH referred In reply TO the position which had
been enunciacd and maintained nv Union raorites ana
advocated by the Speaker Il the HOUSE. that the loyal
of each State were TO be recognized as constituting
TIE state.
Mr. boutwell, did not ask what the Speaker had said
but he asked the practical question: whether the loyal
oncenth Of state would be allowed TO govern the as
Mr. sMrH replied that it was for Congress TO solve that
problem Why did not Congress ~ II and lei the loyal
tenth be represented 10 Congress-
Mr. R.SDALL, (dem.) of Pa, asked Mr.. Boutwell,
whether the rights Of the loyal one tenth OF se we're
% be impaired by the dsoya inetenths and whether
that loyal tenth being taxed not entitled 10 repre-
sentationp
Mr. BOUTWELL, replied that the right Of represe alton,
whether In the senate In the House, was ht ap-
pertaining to the States as states and thai Z ma DC
exercised by the people only through exriius and
recoxnized state The state ORGANIZATIONS
In these eleven States which had existed IN har
mony with the of the national government
had by series Of events ceased " exist
matter % fact because they were not reprer ned IA
Congress That was the evidence that they had ceased
90 exist When or why, how, u wa not Important
10 inquire. Nov, before the night OF representation
could be agnn exerised In ~ these states there
must be a previous recognition OF such night ln ~"
inquiry the night Of state 10 be rcpnesenbd W
constitution must b. looked into, aud II mst be acsr
taned whether there IL such existing loyal state a.
would reasonably Justify the expectation that the repre-
scniativee from that state would BE- loyal There wG
no rght In the tenth Of the people Of state, even
though loyal 20 b. represented 10 Congress u vas the
night Of the people o. the whole STATE when they de-
monstrated whole thor LOYALTY 70 tho government
" he represented A. the people ~ state
Mr. RANDALL remarked that that doctrine overturned
the doctrines % Mr. Lincoln from beginning 20 end
Nr S-rH having resumed the roor, drifted 70 me
question nf conn a the President aud Congress
Nc asked why the President had no power 70 40 What
ne had done Congress had not undoDe ~, and done
apmethinz that would be better What was Congre going
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