The New York herald., 1866-07-09

0nerout DOTOuR0b, second the inequalities
place. the almost insurmountable dcultes Of choosing
any form figure Of relatively TO rating
material deviation on one side the other the scale
Of enfrsnchsement which We had contemplated and
selves bound not much BY any pedantc view Of the
case as by consideration or the public interests As
ss S ss % 20 sns xss wa.
found that Il would give riso TO the inequalities I will
now state and the figures give can be tested BY any
book laid on the table, We have submitted TO the House
plan under which certain number Of male occupiers
in boroughs We asked ourselves In the case Of each
borough what amount Of rating franchise would give the
same number Is would be given BY an occupation fran
boroughs there would have been enranchised by adopt
ing rating franchise Of above 60 number at least
equal to tho number proposed TO enfranchise. In
thirty mine boroughs we should have required to take
merely those above f6 rating but OF 20 ana upwards
have gone to f5 and upwards. In twenty-one
borsughs We must have gone TO "a and upwards In
five boroughs required us to take in even those rated
uJder e. In order TO give number equal TO that which
would be reached by f7 rental tCheers) give these
igurcs being simply the result of a sum- 1t is not
ers; but in minds they had considerable weight
We then considered another matter, on which need
not dwell Wo felt very acutey the difficulties In which
should be involved from the establishment Of differ
ent rates OF franchise In the same borough owing to the
differences of rating which frequently prevail in different
parts Of the same town, which parts are In different
unions Lastly, had this TO consder-if proposed
&c franchise II involved on the whole dminution'
which in our view, was inadmissble. Had pro-
posed f5 franchise we should have exposed ourselves
10 taunts and objections the value Of which do not
stop estimate; but undoubtedly there would have
been ground for the statement that had departed
materially from the original framework or and standing
afforded by, our bill. Those were the considerations
which led the conclusion that the vote went very
much to break up the framework Of the measure but
that not the whole nor nearly the whole OF our d
Guilty. We had to consider our position as whole; we
had consider the previous history OF the bill cheers
and undoubtedly, in pariicu case the issue was
additionally grave and anxious because Of the pledge we
had gwen in various forms, and Of which had been
reminded after time in the Of the debate, to
stand fall by measure. tChcers Now sir, those
pledges II they seemed to some to be conveyed any
time rhetorical and inflated forms, advisedy and
deliberately given In the opinion OF the Cabinet and in
my oplnon pledge on the part Of tho government
stand fall by particular measure is pledge that
should be rarely given 1t the last weapon the ar
mory OF the government; should not be lightly taken
down from IN ne walls ana eSwn h
it meant to fulfil. hecrs) Sir that pledge has
been given by us under the deepest
erroneous not--of public duty. We looked back over
fifteen years; considered what had been the history
of th question; did not take into consideration
merely the greatness of the subject considered its
inconven en its mschievous op ration during many
those years the characters Of public men, and upon
the character Of parties and, permit to say,
upon the character OF (chccrs)-and upon
the character OF representative institutions. Cheers
We et that tue stake was stake Of the highest orde
that the responsibility OF great that 1t was
our duty every effort in power 10 avoid Of
fence, TO concate support, TO unite instead Of dis
tracing the minds OF mcn-(CheerS and augnter)-and,
above all, that II duty firmly and resolutey to
prosecute whatever plan may adopt and that there is
such thing firm and resolute prosecution OF sub
ject OF such magnitude except by attaching tho life
the administration to the lie Of the measure they pro-
pose. Il hcers) That therefore, was tho course We
took adysediy and dcbeatciy-Iot Tor our own sakos
alone but or tile sake of higher and far deeper in
terests involving that which " the 81 condition OF
good government in this or in any country-namey the
confluence OF the pubic IN those by whom they are
ruled (Cheersl Along with that anxiety we had
a disposition, perhaps erroneous but most SIN
cere, conciate honorable members who
fasidious and possibly opposed to Us on the
s.bjecS OF reform ut the expense Of those by whom
Reform re-, ra, was ardsnty supported Cheers VIVA. are
voivmg its bass nd and six pound franchise
which would have extended the suffrage to not fewer
than 0UV persons For those l10 aud GO franchises
proposed substitute franchises OF 81 and Ella the
elect Of which u reduce the number enfranchiscd
AGO. 600 abo 200 co., and sacrifice
third The enrancenienL hich the PROVISIONS Of the
bill Of 1850 would has ciIect.d We thought that
worry large Concession 70 make VIC thought was better
early than to make II late; and having made
It. Impossible not TO that 1t rendered 1t duty
sirictcr Interpretation than We might otherwise
s s e stand o. S sy
bill. may ba p rmitted likewise 70 say, as !
have said Dsfore, without Intending reproach to
any one, that II was our 0pini0u, aud opinion,
upon winch acted, that no secondary dn1cully, no
secondary consideration should be allowed interfere
with nakLg progress with the bill. Accordingly
consented make changes in mode of procedure
uy,n lie II believe have beeu rarely made In
The case OF any great measure introduced deliberately
and percy in by government We agreed 70 pro-
duce bill for thu redistribution of scas; agreed that
that bill should be uned with the bill had already
wish Of the majority Of the House, waving
cOny ictiuns, because We held that however Just
might deem opaion II did mol warrant tho
serious pubic osii o. o couict IN the House or CON-
mons upon n icson respecting It's representation
the people, especially after wha, Lad happ ned with
regard To that represcn alton In iormr years In the
sano manner, when provisions oil the bill which ap-
peaied 10 even though uabe yet to be capable
beng parted IN objected TO- We agreed to with
druN tn m We agreed withdraw the
ing easehod voleis ia Doroughs We agreed to modify
the fourth clause IN pont VII ch was deemed TO b. OF
importance. notifications accedcd to the
oil honorable gentlemen opposite aud the last
OF thcm excir, lively expostula,ian from large
Der ol gentlemen ON our own side of tie house. who
thought II tleir duty, from the strength OF the
CONVICTIONS they entertained, to give express to
them by division There remained but one point
difference in regard TO procedure, and that upon
tho desire entertained TO pass measure upon the
subject during tn present year Win respect to that
desire When chacng TO repeat Ia strong terms the
expression Of IT, we deliberately waived any such repe-
ton because felt IL invidlUu1 and night be
respectful TO iour sh sucn declaration IN le face OF
the Hous, of Commons, and covered that sub
jcct by general declaration made by me, words
prcssy authorized by my ,olleagucs that should DO
10th indeed To arrel with the House. or with any por-
lion Of tho House agreed with to the object
had in view, upon any question OF procedure How
ever, sf we ma .na' ,noso owe were aee pocscd'ngs
noble friend the member for Chester Earl Gros.
venor) made notion az an amendment TO the second
reading, the effect OF which would have boon that We
should have been compelled TO produce the seats bill
before the House had given any whatever upon the
bill had land upon the table. That motion. IL known
~ honorable members, rejected In House unpre-
cedentedly large by majority VI only nvo the mum.
bers being 3l3 for and BIS against The next
step In the progress OF the measure which
e mny be we'll to notice that the
zsse Of May when the honorable Baronct (Sr RaInald
M Mnen.syl made motion 10 instruct the Committee
s sno mopssonon Of the People bill to include in the
0nr d,s,,v w. rnsds .rsson OF bribery and corruption
and the almost impossibilty of binding ,sn,o -
consider IT, We demonstrated; We po.a,cd oni ,ha,
NJ least that course had not bccn pursued o.. sorcr
OCCASIONS the House thought nc 70 overruc the ~,e,
OF the eovcrnmen, and by n majority OF ten
the honorable bsronet carried hrs motion. I do
not say whether he was right or wrong. l am only
speaking Of the obstacles which found bcsctlnr ~
road to the end had In view On the an OF
June another motion was made by my honorable and
gallant friend the member for Wells Captain Hayterl
which certainly ended without division but which was
debated for three nights and which evidently must
had and Was intended 70 have the effect setting aside
the consideration OF the bill for the present On Tho 7th
Of June the noble lord the member for KinRs Lynn
ord stanley made motion for the purpose Of post