The New York herald., 1866-05-10

particulars which have telegraphed for from Lisbon
II is to be hoped that the reports OF the terrible NOR
tality have received are exaggerated They arc
tainy something fearful to contemplate. A fow days
VIII clear up the whole question.
The Reform Bill.
SPEECHES OF MR.. DIsRAELI AND MR.. GLADSTONE AT
THE CLOSE OF THE DEBATE-REvELATIoNs OF
ENGLAND's POLICY DURING TIE AMERICAN WAR
RECONSTRUCTION" ON TIE AMERICAN PRINCE
PLE-rHE "soCIAL FORCES" MARsHALLED
AGAINST THE TORIES, ETC.
In the English House Of Commons, on Friday night,
April 81 during the debate tho Reform bill, Mr. DIS
at twenty four minutes past ten o'clock amid
loud and prolonged cheering from both sides OF tho
House. He said SIR, before advert 20 the amend
mcnt Of the noble lord would make one remark upon
the alleged reasons for the introduction Of the govern
pledges and ministerial PROMISES tho first must be ful
1ed The second haze bern cioIdted Now, sir the House
should be cautious in accepting some views upon this
head of tho subject which bavo been advanced
in the course OF tho debate They are touching
on very dangerous ground. Hitherto the freedom OF
Parliament has been the boast or predecessors Tho
freedom of Parliament did not merely freedom OF
discussion freedom from arrest 1t meant, above all
other privileges freedom Of legislation Cheers) When
hear of Parliament teng pledged, We. then TO
understand that the conduct Of preceding Parliament
10 dsprye M Us o. VENT Of M the net . ana
great authorities upon this subject have been 80 jealous
Of any attempt upon the liberty Of legislation enjoyed by
Parliament that they have maintained that, according TO
the constitution OF England no such thing as funda
mental law be rccognized and that such munmcnt
myself maintain proposition OF that kind without great
reserve but think all must agree in this that no Par
anp~t can be toumd by tie If its predeceors except
90 far as they take the forms Of law, and such
forms Parliament have the privilege 10
no & aspe .nS and osrpcsen and We
should indeed be indifferent to the highest sources Of po
litical wisdom, In country so practical In ts politics ~
England II We dsregardcd the preoedents furnished by
those who have gone before In this House Hear,
heAr) But, sip hold It cannot for moment bc main
tanned that be a all estopped in course BY
any result which a vote Of a single House OF Pars-
msnt-for that is al that Ia alleged-can effect Our
the conduct Of public II may be poss Bile that
q statesman may have entered into rash engagements
upon subject OF vital importance think no one VIII
for a moment ma ntain that Parliament 10 pursue
Of which they dsapproved because Minister has
entered into engagements which precipate (iear,
hsar Such conduct the part Of public man may be
good for his leaving the public service or
retiring from public life, but never be ground
for his appealing the country support him. for the
sake of his honor and constituency ia course which
Parliament may deem TO be most unwisc and inexpc
dent We have no engagement OF the Prime Minister
That engagement only be gwen In his place IN Par
lament or by document placed upon the table Of
this House The Prime Minister pas made no speech on
subject OF the distribution Of seats and we have no
document this table winch gives this information
The right honorable gentleman alluded TO speech that
had been made at private meeting Of the followers
Of the government In order to votes. II
s necessary for me 10 ask the right honorable gentle
man what engagement hc made lie replied that the
engagement made by Lord Russell at this private meet
ing lay the table OF the House bill which viii
show the intention OF tho government with regard TO
the distribution of seats and 70 proceed with the BILL
with a view 20 carry II as crcums,a nces will
permit" Cheers and laughter) most dangerous
phrase Now sir shall show you that II IL totally inn
possible for us TO be asked Of the
ty franchise until have In full detail before ~ the
bill for tho distribution OF seats tCheersD IL ~
absolutely necessary that the House should carry In
their mnd-I have no doubt they have itthc compara
claim representation Of tho land and the borougbs
am the House will recollecJ Il II Is IN round
numbers Q $50 600 tho population or the boroaghs
H. 400 600 the population Of the counties 5+ooo
counties; and cas-, 600 900 OF raiable property in
boroughs against eco 600 600 In counties Hear, hear
But the House must bear in mind-i viii put u before
you very brelythe most pert ncnt and pregnant cal
cuaton which think on subject of this kind ever was
made propose that the House should for moment
consider this proposton-to transfer TO counties the
representation OF all boroughs under i've hundred elect
Lct what that is. There are eighty-sevcn,
and sec what the result bo Transfer counties
all boroughs under Ave hundred electors being eighty
seats IL would be necessary Of course 70 deduct
this population from the borooghs and add !, TO the
| countles The population Of boroughs would then
| be . little under 100000, and the popnla-
| ton OF counties a little under 1000 600 The
against $4,000 electors Of the COUNTIES The
ratabc value Of tho boroughs would be about
r. 10 oS soo ono None II these great qaanea would be
much changed but, instead Of the boroughs having SA
members and the counties l02 members the boroushs
would have 2l7 members and the counties 2s9 Hear
hear There would therefore, by this franchise be $50
borousbs with under 800 electors and by giving them all
10 the counties you would not entirely remedy the
balance II necessary that the House should bear
mind this striking and singular instance OF inequality IN
tho relative representation Of counties aud boroughs
| ChoersI Well, then under those circumstances,
address 10 the government these questions You are
going 10 increase the representation Of tho boroughs
and going will ray, 10 transfer the representation
OF the small boroughs to the larger boroughs and
arc thus going far 10 relieve the county consaences
from the possible danger OF being W great extent sb-
sorbed by tho populations Of these towns But at the
| same time ask you-what are you gong 10 do with
ss & so. s yo' m oenes e as a. w * s0os 20 o
large townsf ON what principle are you going 70
act Are you going 70 establish plurality Of TO
Of voting 70 the constituent bodyf Arc members 10
ooms here represent numbers and no, innuencef !
ar those questions bca1so upon your determination rc
spectlng them decision with reference 70 the amount
Of the country franchise entirely dcpends Cheers
The Chancellor q the Esebequer asked whether ~s
were afraid of tho wortI ing men but not think that
| h tho question before the House tHesr1 take " for
granted that gentlemen on this side of the House ase
gentlemen the other side, M ats ~ the rovk
,~o ~os, qfrasa of a.yArg sts, no, ANY ratSnai
Won ofraid of R,n. Tho question before us IL not
whether afraid of tho working man, Dat chdAcr
| ss ean i-prvcs "a. EnQlvA a~a u4on tCheersD Now,
hold Che English constitution not 70 Dc phrase but Q
be fact nod 70 be polly ,ounisd S 90 20, distinct ao
sttuticn 70 BE- monarchy. limited BY The coordinate
authority o bodies OF the subjects which are invested
-ith privileges and with duts, for their own defence
and for the common goodtbe socalled estates Of the
realm Ono of those estates of the realm " the estate OF
the Common Of which the representatives Vow,
q course the clements fine Commons vary and mud
,. noNe aecorflng 70 ~ vsesstfes and ertumtine>'
cortSyi1e Engtard tsarl Nevertheless, the original
schome Of nc flantagencts may always guie ua What
ought 70 10 s 20 act In The syr d tho constitution
in set1irg this matter but ssked To act In the
/ fIilA ~ VIZ N~AAoAuf"u NhfeIhl ~ Nhas
| Lay 10 not intend - ravs American inrttrone.
Q1te tht revere approve American institutions for
ts reAeon-tey odnptd NJ 30 rtnyy tck,s fasy
,,tal6hsd nut say nons of INC eondlllons exit in
Fualaud wh,ch cIal IN America aud nakr The lnsttu
tions Hr.gfsA ~ eHiDrly there tHoarD ~ could zee
sgrrs, body of rieiseAt ms po-scs-,on of oul,i.
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tons into England, you would r0s have ihss -hifh
esceiiepi IN the American system, tsi usi -hrh 10