The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1866-07-03

vaiue Is test OF the franchise, and SIpAned IDA
supported the principle OF rating Father than rental
wtseus reference TO any precise figure He >roposed
tonA mode OF liking the fnchiss aud referrod ~ the
admin bic manner tn which II had worked IN Ireland.
The oaAsoELSn o. rnx ExcukouER replying divided
the question: at issue into two parts political and pract
CAL and in regard to the rs which involved limlta-
ton In the reduction OF the franchise he declared that
the government would not depart ot from tho very
moderate amount or enfranchisement they had pro.
posed. The bill ~ Il stood would enranchise two hun
forty thousand by the seven pound franchise and sixty
thousand by the provisions as TO payment OF rates
pound or even ave pound rating franchise he showed
would not admit so mauy The practical part OF the case
involved Two propos,tions-thst the ratsoe value
Jurisdiction ought 10 be ousted With regard Arst
be argued that the true basis OF the political franchise
stood against his the ratabie value column had
nothing TO do with his vote Ratable value test
merely for local taxation which borne by property,
and had nothing 10 do with an occupancy franchise No
doubt owing TO the varying system OF deductions there
great inequalities in the Gross estimated rental
column but they would carried aggravated
the raabe value column and II would be impossible to
epcsn ~ ~ central snSory
he argued that for local purposes certain Inequalities
ought to be preserved and the whole the inequalities
In the ratabe value must always be greater and more in
eradicabe than in the estimated rental He point
ed out too that the ndment would disfanchise such
persons az owners OF mnes which were not rated at ALL
and den ed that there any analogy between the Irish
system and that which Lord Dunkellins amendment
precedent for anything but household suffrage.
With regard TO oustng the Revising Barser he showed at
decision Of ali tho points hitherto settled tho Regsra-
ton Court; In other words that rural guardians would
provoking much contradiction he pointed out the oppor
tunit and the great Inducements commit
toes might have TO tamper with assessments for political
purposes. TIE government xious any one
TO sweep away the OF the Registration Courts
and one oiecua way was TO accept the clause which
went straight to the rate book and took the most settled
and certain test or "gross estimated rental
Mr. BRreur-perhaps the Committee will agree with
when express the hope that the honorable baronet
the member from Tamworth (Sr r. Pecl. feels himself
70 be greatly relieved after the opportunity he has bad
Of pouring the story Of his personal grefs 0h oh
and ch era) He began charging The Chancellor Of
the Exchequer with manner uDfrendly and irritating
lcppcsition cheers, when addressing himself to the
say that the idea that the Chancellor of the
E1osheauer r., was Irritating 10 his language 4
ALL has entered It since the matter was pointed
out 70 him by the honorable barone for undertake
that nothing could possibly be fair daughter from
the opposition nothing moro 1erous trenewod laugh
teri than the view which the right honorable gentleman
lord full credit for his sincerity Wishing merely
nd this clause and he shut out Of view almost not
altogether suspicion that the object OF the noble lord
was TO limit the franchise Hear hearl Now take II
the question as between rating and rental value as
most much as 1t be done with profit to the Com
m ttee doubt anything or better be said
either side upon than has been said by the speakers
who have addressed the Committee take the liberty
OF expressing opinion that the real object Of this
| anonQmenL
and the real cause Why obtains SO large perhaps Il
may he, so unanimous, support from the opposite sde
Y that meets the proposition q the government TO ek
say rent 70 the amount Of ct by proposition which
TN raise that limit 70 about 60. Cheers) -
Are prepared TO extend the franchise 10 the eleven
out OF the seventeen according the proposition Of the
BILL you prepared TO extend 1t to only two out Of
the seventeen according to tho proposition OF the horror
able member from Gidord are you prepared 10 iony
II TO every Of them according 10 the proposition OF
men Of their Class a. Sec n as ,hey may e called
They arc the men Of whom any country nigh DC proud
their ch sSs a0 snd deny them
entrance here not in their proper persons but IN the
q their ~ s hs .oS SG w.
minds OF these men, OF the Ave thosssnd whom they
represent and Of the hundreds OF thousands who form
the populations Of your great manufacturing townsg Al
present IL Is to my mind OF t,c most amentahe
things In country that the gres body OF the working
ests and institutions. emo me-" and cheersl since
this d cusson commenced few weeks ago member Q,
from gentleman with whom an, -'n acquainted, one
Of the largest cotton ancasbirc Ana ssn sn"rso
surers ana been In this House had no
mot md business thrown upon him that I, would
hsve sd Impossible for him 10 have given up the time
"hich bis presence here would have demanded We'll,
n s letter r this gentems1 stated 70 my honorable
s.s asn IL * poisss Of her o,~ ' c@ntrG I pos
letter and asked him II he really meant what he had
written 70 represent the tera fact He replied that
that his Mill s S AZ sls ss
pcpen 70 Be found a. there ~sre ner,pape.s "
sis has nothing 70 Do with Ss Question "s ssr nS Soa
take the liberty, however OF telling them that in my
opinion state Of society and state Of opinion like tina,
among such population A. that Of Lancashire and York
shre represents anything but healthy state Of things
and demands the attention of the House. Cheers
Take the opinion Of the honorable beronst the member
for the West Riding. Of the largest employers OF
friend the member for Oldham perhaps the largest ma
chine maker In the world and ing thousand
men; sake the opinion Of such men in Lancashire and
Yorkshire. aud they VIII tell you they have great inter.
est changing the state OF eoling there extending The
WSo smp.y ss % w sD They employ All o. Us
the passing of this bill will be increase the desire for
education 70 stimulate selfrespect; and We know more
over that oil the social relations OF great populations
would thereby DO much Improved The noble lord the
member for Huntingdonshire referred % the state OF
things calculated TO Al all our minds WITH grief !
lhearls sts,e Of things which makes Us AT, I hope,
late years estrange from the complication on
European polltice. Hear. hear) But the noble lord
bin because this state OF things existed In Europe
sbodid argue for u, however exactly the reverse War
nc.gsoss hsrqps ny I'd vsy asres firm ne ea
ioossn9 en- ~ ~cy md IN fever revolution in Ger
msng Hear, hear II may end 10 tho PRONUNCIATION
opinions which are not favorable 10 settled order
and no man knows TO what country and 70 what extent
those those opinions may spread living among veg
OF THIS House will beiieyethat eveTy interest in this
country VIII be safer Will be comfortable In every
particular II some two three four hundred thousand
more people were Included within the electoral fran
chlse. tcheersl ! am not speaking Of this nov solely
the bottom OF my hoai 10 the erdeayor as
~ appears 70 me- 10 dig u gulf OF eternal sepa.
ration between the great body Of the working classes
the Kingdom aud the electoral Classes loud crfcs
OF NO. snd chesrsl You may rely upon Il fhai hls
setting the most numerous and ser al at can be sstd
the pos pecessaEr as II is rSuniry aeansi sverr
" gf CLASS IL bad IN every way tchecFs sd IL esps
ciMy perious and moro likely 10 DO fatal when IL n
hoioy advocated by great and powerful party In this
nonse Every msn Of you knows thai the passing OF
lhs bl, and more especially Of this clause would five
lne greatest Satisfaction, not only 20 the Two hundred
honsand gno frs 70 be admitted 70 the franchise bat
70 the milllons now excluded, who would consider |
themselves IN some degree represented BY those
have seen as you know, between four hundrcd