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but with regard to its further stages would rather give


but with regard further stages would rather give
Mr. Wnrrs took the opportunity or asking the right
honorable gentleman tho Chancellor Of the Exchequer
q question ON the subject OF the Reform bill They had
heard much talk about standing falling by the bill
loud cheers from the opposition and Dhen gopenseu
that aes ,ood rs"cS Cheers and iaushsr1 The
speech OF the right honorable gentleman conveyed to his
na me me n a nHs Hoasa ey IN hs Of M Wis
dom should TO an increase in the borough anchs
such resolution would be accepted by the government
as fatal TO the bill He wished to know whether that
would be the not-whcther II the House were TO
put the borough franchise at fs tho government would
consider such result fatal to the h and therefore,
that the natural consequences would follow.
The CHAScEILoR OF the Exchequer-I understand The
that as long as the bill stands we stand II ne b falls
fan; but the pieo take Is that he bill sU stands
WIN re ac @ 70 '"e 2, aid S "a
and believe dd ~ convey, anything 10 what
clauses important or what clauses are vital That
q matter which conceive to be entirely out OF the pro-
of the short explanation have made TO day, and
hope the honorable gentleman will not draw any in
ference as 10 this question from It. (dear, hear
MIR. BRIGHT ON TUE DIVISION IN rnB COMMONS
numerous meeting Of delegates from branches OF
the National Reform Union In various parts OF the king
dom was held In the assembly room OF the Trade Hail.
Manchester May l.
Mr. BRIGHT, MP, addressed the meeting He said
since he was with them about month ago there bad
been great debate and great division. "A voice-"A
triumphant one. y Well, that matter about which
there might fairly DO some difference OF opinion
bill did not very clearly the grounds upon which
their opposition based There 80 men who at
the general election returned as Liberals rho turned
round and ro,ed against their party prctcnce
and another Perhaps the mover OF the amend.
but In the speech which lie made One Of his complaints
was that the government had departed from the rule
Of whis government IN past % times and and sought aa-
Bright generally sat faugher) He was not disposed 70
deprecae the whg party because II we looked back for
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS there had been always members OF whg
noble families who hal been sincere friends or the people,
and he sorry Lord Grosvenor did not reeoect how
the radical and section had redeemed his party
from its condition in ls41 when, having msmnnaged
ts affairs and having alcnated It's most liberal support
ers gave place TO the tories under sir Robert Peel It
by the action Of the party, ofwhom Lord Gros
venor now spoke with something like distrust and dis
that In 1s46 the tory ranks were broken up and for
the last twenty years the Whig party maintained In
power and popularity. He still OF opinion that
Lord Grosvcnor was not satisfied with his course
been united with majority OF seventy for the govern.
ment, the tories would not have opposed the second
been accepted with becoming wisdom by that other
Chamber into which he hoped IL would shortly find Its
way He believed that among those who followed Lord
Croavenor there we're men who would not permanently
separate themselves from their party and might DO ex
pected TO come back within the fold. Gaughter) The
discussion OF tho bill had only raised In the general
estimate Of the country and TIC conduct Of TIE oore-
ment had been hone aud manly As to the redstribu
tion he would give them any advice lest weak
brother spcful and vicious opponent should they
had followed his nscltaughter)but II their reds
tribuon was satisfactory their compromise the
franchise question, there would be only
reason 10 support them till these measures were
xT qualifications essential provisions short Of which
settlement could be even temporary and II did not
appear next Monday that the tories and .he gentlemen
tsr)-wouid oppose 1t imminently pertous than
the Franchise b then there must be struggle to
ton Of this country should submit, to reaetonary MI
norty. Erey day Of dscunion resid firmly snite
Ae middle and ooriWg classes the questan and " the
government should be placed Jeopardy let The
try give them that expression OF support which wonld
or postponemeni. or resignation would be fatal policy
Great chccring) The hu IN 1881 vus mot c1r,.ed
scitA0a diaosssion Of Parliament; z might ee Aot
this tiu sSa 90 through The same ~deak tCheers)
WHAT THE CABINET MUST DO.
fFrom the London Times, May IL
- A week must elapse before the details Of tho
longer time before they be discussed s Of course
possible that much may happen In the interval TO change
tions under which alone reform is possiblc Will not be
forgotten. The government have bcftTc and behind
ra em auv ana assmpt A. 0Uy pse aasre
nua BE- the ufpva fronine. erd plain dealing, and
fanythng Is 70 be done respect must be pad 70 the con
vctions Of minority which may at moment be turned
into a majority II Is OF course undesirable that
Reform bill should be passed which ID only Reform bin
in name; but Ii equally vain to think that the present
Parliament, any Parliament, will sanction legislation
the basis Of numbers entranchsement on the plea
OF a fellow humanity. II would be idle 10 dcier reform
the that principles such these ever be
accepted by statesmen trained ours have been 10 look
70 results The Redistribution bill be such that the
Joint effect OF Il and OF the Franchise bill must be
In harmony with English traditions and English
sentiments. The other condition indispensable to
the solution OF the reform question is n deter
minaton on the part Of the opposition " help u
forward, and to abstain from snaching vioory even
Of the wisdom Of sacrificing empty qualification now
to reap enduring triumph hereafter II the con-
scrvativo party 20 come into power While reform ~
mains unsettled they would not only be hampered by
difficulty which they could not solve but they would
give the liberal opposition bond OF union which Would
heal old differences and bring them back again TO
Office with renewed vitality. There IS. according 20 Mr.
Bouvere, fund OF good sense ~ the House OF Com
which wosd enable II % settle the reform question
properly approached. We hope this estimate OF
the House will be approved by chpcrience One yai'e
start has been mad, bw is iiiy nbody has yet teen thrown
cut II II impossible that with tho wisdom of experience
and common desire sodc the disgrace of another
failure, second attempt shoud be made leading TO a
The London Ne,os congratuls,es the country the
fact that the next battle on reform must be fought ~
chiefs with vsors up. and by troops with banners in
the wind In tho next division u will tr clearly known
To all the word that liberals who are counted by
prchen-vs and complete reform bill
The London Star says the government s doing iis
mons bu, any further appeal be necessary let be
made 10 the country.
extent the manner and time of settlement Of the
reform question rests with the conservative party
The German Quessien.
AFFAIRS STILL PREsgrT wAKLIsE ASPECT.
When the City Of Paris sailed tho situation In Germany
Vienna telegram Of the 3oth Of Aprn say,:-An un.
authenticated ruinor circulated the Bourse to-day
that Austria ntnds 20 propose European Congress The
rImors OF ministerial or sis are st'll current
The Austrian note In reference TO tho dnches which Lad
Just been presented 10 the prssian h based
upon the programme agreed upon BY the Ministers Of the
various minor States
The Saxon Minister for Foreign Affairs said 10 have
given q verbal and cvAslve 10 Me Of
Prussia 10 disarm
A Berlin telegram of the LIST inst sys;--It ls be.
leved that the Prusssn armaments will be shortly
creased reply dated The 29th 10 the austrian note
of the 10th W.T. has been forwarded TO the Prusian Am
bssador Ia Vienna stating that Prussia does not
20 the proposals of the Vienna Cabinet reference 10
the queftion Of the duchce lays special stress upon
Ne community f trfereff y Prtssd and Isy aud gives
evasye 10 the Austrian proposal for disara
mont
No immediate rupture. however, between Austria AMI
Prursia Is expected AZ Austria vii submit ler proposals
~ the Federal Diet by whom they will he referred 10
tho SPECIAL committee the Affairs Of the fnchles
The Vienna Pom M Al az hal