New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1866-05-11
NETWORK, FRIDAY, MAY II, 1866.

between the President and Congress was made up and the
nothing could avert the speedy possession Of the lesa
tive branch Of the Government by the Conservative men
OF the country under the lead OF Andrew johnson.
! Mr. STRoUsE Pa followed on the same side. lie de-
clIed ha, the Constitution was never intended to be
pastered and patched and that Congress should be ex
ceedngly cautious about tampering with H.
Many Republican members being gathered in groups
throughout the hall and paying no attention to the re-
marks of the gentleman Mr. Strouse who had ;he hoor
Mr. lie BLONDE Ohio made point OF order That II was
in order for the members of this harmonious party
TO mold meetings during the session OF the House
! The SPEAKER good humoredly sustained the point OF
order
The groups then separated retired to the coakroom
and Mr. STRoUsE proceeded with and finished his remarks
Mr. BANGS Mass was the next speaker. 4e regarded
this the important question that could be pre-
sened 10 Congress or the country He believed that the
organization OF the governments in the insugeDt states
could only be safely made by ehecting change IN the
basis OF political society He did not believe in theoretical
constitutional statutory provisions anything thatef
the basis If political society in the Southern states un-
touched and that left the enemies Of the country IN con-
dcn TO renew the war. Therefore no proposition met
his entire approval which did not effect radical change
the basis political society in those States, but ne did not
expect the House TO adopt his opinions nor would he M
st any theories Of his He had doubt that the
Government of United States had full authority to
tend the elective franchise to the coored people of the
South but he did not think ii had the powers. The
public opinion of the country was such at this moment
as TO make impossible ne Therefore 'hRS oogn
strugfon 10 waive that matter IN Difference to public
opinion While he deemed the provision in regard to
rep eentation equitable he did not think it important
| In lis Judgment IL was OF no consequence whether
| the late Rebel States had 50 or 81 representatives
in the House. The Southern people governed by force
their philosophy focether practice forcetheir
tradition was force Whether Few or many they would
have power wherever they restored. While, there
fore he agreed cheerfuy to the proposition with pur-
pose and phseoogy il did not to meet the question
al issue. He approved the proposition TO dsanchse the
enemies Of the country lie thought it night in principle
aud necessary at this time. He did not care much
whether the extension Of the franchise to the negro
coupled with il, although he was in favor Of H. He had
difficulty in regard 70 the supposed unlrness OF DIS
anchsing disloya men, who bad come within the terms
Of the Amnesty Proclamation, for he held that in all the
proclamatoDs and military conferences the idea OF
restoring political rights was carefully guarded against
He did not agree with the gentleman from Ohio MR.
Garfield TO the mprccabilty of enforcing dsfran-
chsemen did he apprehend the rejection Of the pro-
posed amendment There were twenty-five States repre-
scented the House. and two would give the number
requisite 10 adopt the Constitutional Amendment. He
believed that Tennessee aud Arkansas would ray H. aud
that would give the requisite number of votes. IL the
Amendment was be defeated all 1t would be defeated
by Republican Democratic States; II would not De de-
fcaied by Of the nslrgent States IL was not true
that eenihs or any such large proportion Of the
Southern people enemies 10 the Government Inc
people Of the South would ultimately be found
among The tuest and best friends of the Government
He thought that Switzerland, the wisest Government OF
EUROPE had given a good lesson on this subject That
Government had encountered in 1873 difficulties similar 10
those which this Government had Just encountered.
Switzerland suppressed the rebellion and organized Gov
crnmenis in the rebeious canons just as Mr. Lincoln ad
undertaken to organize governments IN the southern
|
and disanchsed ITS enemies until after some time Il per-
mt'cd It's rccreant 10 resume Their political nights
From that policy Switzerland to-day as sound and safe
a Government ss there the continent OF Europe
The descent the Speaker gayel here announced the
termination of the half hour allowed each member for dis
cussOn.
The debate was continued by Messrs. EcKLEy and BEA
in support of the measure, and Mr. ROGERS against
il.
Mr. BrANAS fMchl while supporting the joint rcsolu
,ion e.nres.ed the hone that il would he amended by
striking the third section to which he had serious OBJ
jeciions.
Mr. EooERs IN. ~ congratulated himself that he was
ford in the position he took by one who held the reins
q pow,f the Preside IT, -.s -" . - not II nc
were a citizen Of southern State be would vote TO give
the colorcd people every right except the right OF inter
marriage with white and the right to vote al the ballot
box.
pressed M intention TO vote for the Joint resolution
ported with the exception Of the third secton'
The measure not all he wished, nor all that the
country expeced but il was not becoming lcglslaiorto
he wished.
Mr. DAVIS Mass declared that with the exception OF
the third section the Joint resolution, he gave the
measure his hearty approval. But even If he could not
get that section excluded he should still vote for H. But
he desired particularly 90 call the attention OF the House
10 the fact thlf there provision made by law or
Constitution By which question az to votes Tor fres
dent and VicePrcsdent could be decided The Constit
ton provided "that the President Of the Senate shal IN
the presence Of the Senate and the House OF Representa-
ve open all the certificates and the votes shall then DC
counted Hut who should decide the votes II there was
a dispute Who should decide whether votes had been
east by who not entitled to vote lherc was no
IN bunal as yet erected determine that fact Chance
lor Kent had declared that 10 be edsus omss ana mad
seen in it possibility of great danger TO the country
The danger had shown itself on the occasion OF counting
the state of Wisconsin having cast It's electoral vote
on the day prescribed and there being no tribunal to de
eide whether that electoral vote should be counted or re-
iectcd This additional reason operating on ms
mind against the adoption of the third section.
Mr. BINGHAM Ohio next addressed the House, taking
the ground that all the measures reported by the Recon-
be- rs
The want the Republic to-day, he said was not Demo-
cratic party Republican party, but party for the
Union and the Constitution. lie trusted tat ater tue
vote was taken to-day would not be recorded by the his
that the sal hour had come IN the commonwealth
of the great Republic, what in the DAY OF us desoatoh
came 10 the commonwealth Of ancient Rome, when Cesar
had his party when Anthony had his party, when Brutus
had his party, but when the Commonwealth had none.
He spoke to-day for the party which was Tor the Common
wealth for the speedy restoration to their constitutional
relations of the late nsureotonary States under such
perpetual guarantees would guard the future OF the
Republic against the sad caamtes that had IN these late
wears befalen it, As 10 the third section he believed that
it gave strength to the amendment although he agreed
with Mr.. Banks that the people had authority to disfran
chise the enemies of the Government But he submitted
whether il that section to be insisted on 10 would
not DO better incorporate it in OF the pending bs
instead of putting il III the Constitution ,,A.,..
Mr. STEVENS PENN suggested that they would nave the
bill vetoed. e,..s., -,
any veto from the other end OF the avenue mat eoua ae
feat the 6nal triumph Of the constitutional amendment
What was 10 be gained by retaining this third section
II had been said that il ncsbabe OF execution and
that was his owl opinion An amendment TO the const
tuition which not TO be executed ought not to be put
into the Constitution.
Mr STEVENS Pa closed tho debate. lie said he was
very glad 10 the great unsnimy existing among all
the true friends the Union The House upon all the
provisions OF the proposed amendment except the third
section but he was greved TO any division among
them on what he considered the vital proposition of the
whole amendment. Withoutit II amounted TO nothing.
Without it, he would not give the snap OF his finger
whether the joint resolution passed or not II II
failed there would be power LOTT among the friends OF