The daily dispatch. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1884, 1866-07-14

BALDWIN did not accept To which lei the the fresi;
dent replied: " Yon shall near. ,,u lie then Went
which Mr., Baldwin proposed to him, which OF
course he said he could not entertain, All this
r%ss Thare m is. is no man living on whose correct
I hess should sooner rely than Millson's.
have sifted this matter WIN no intention or de-
/ am only slightly acquaintedl, but to see If the
conflicting statements could be reconciled.
million of lives sacrificed, and ten thousand mil.
lions Of dollars lost and destroyed II Is painful to
think of it, Very respectfully, Jal,y yGHur1p, ~ p.nKrn
In the month of April received letter
from Mr.. George p. Smith, of New York,
in which he said he had read my testimony
before the committee, and Mr.. Baldwln's,
and he thought | could obtain testimony
corroborative of my testimony by writing
to Campbell Tarr, Esq, OF Wheeling, now
Treasurer of West Virginia. which / did,
and received the following reply:
WHEELING, April 81, 1868.
H2n. John Minor B0tts:
Nv Dear Sir-Your favor Of 10th instant has
beef, received. and in reply will state that have
received letters from several perspns, and among
others, George p. Smith, Esq :, requesting me to
state Of Wss,n Tns mr. rs0ans sa,s %b"
visited Washington and other eastern cities In the
latter part of April 1861. We waited on the Presi-
Smi,h' " Esq % nf New York When was intro
duced To Mr.. Lincoln a. a member of the Richmond
Convention, the President exclaimed: Good
God, Tarr why did not ,your Convention adjourn
TO avoid secess'on-you rnion men having ninety
votes to fory.hve on the naked question t hs
it. He had, through the Secretary OF State, Mr.
Seward, sent to Richmond for Mr.. Summers, or
some one representing the Union element, to come
to Washington TO advise with him concerning the
condition Of affairs in Virginia with a view TO
prevent collision between the General ana state
Grfn
leave Richmond, and Mr.. Baldwin, as the sup
1osed representative of the Union party In the
Convention, obeyed the summons, and repaired to
Mr.. Lincoln stated, in the presence of George 7.
Smith and the memb bers of the comlnittee, whose
names have given, that he most posHfreiy assured
Mr. Baldwin that If the Virginia Convention would
dourn without pass ing an ordinance of secession
tha he would abandon Fort Sumter. remember
il distinctly from the fact that had never had an
ntimation that any compromise Sc whatever had been
proposed by Mr.. Lincoln, and, with the exception
qured Of the bers Of This portion OF the State
." on.e eLs. h@d hsard it,, From this it would
seem that SIR Summers had heard it.
lnrepiy to the President sgues,on, Why did not
your Convention adjourn p among other reasons
stated that did not believe that that portion OF the
Convention which favored secession, could they
control the masses, would accept Of any terms
have not noio the time TO extend these remarks
further than to say that your testimony before the
Congressional Committee j. substantially what Mr..
Lincoln said to our committee, and at the earliest
wins status in January, l,tG.
am respectfully yours,
CAMPBELL TARR.
4 few days after, received the follow
ing:
KAyAwHA RIVER, April %, 1896
Hpn. Joba -VinoT Bats:
Dear Sir,-.oticial business requiring my alb.
scuce from Wheeling prevented me from c"nclu-
ding my letter Ia you from that city. By way of
preface, make thes" Remarks before proceeding
Ia r. late the conversation with Mr.. Baldwin AT the
EXchauy. Hotel al Richmond III January, lsG6.
| was much surprised to find that Mr.. Baldwin
had changed front, and that instead Of advocating
the policy Of the old Federal party. h., with many
others formerly of the ss!ur scho" OF politics had
become ON" Of ihr most ultra >"c"ssionNts IN de,
fence ot state rights i Is 10; my purpose to detail
The conversation with Mr. Baldwin. but simply to
state the substance Of hiS remarks and views as
regard were fairly deducibi" from his language
and manner. lie srrncd utterly Indifferent a. 10
th" policy the Gnvernmcnt might adopt, express.
ing The opinion that the South would neither ask
nor accept favor-, hut demanded their admission A.
4 right. our interview was 80 unsatisfactory that
il was soon terminated: not, however, before
Mr.. Baldwin had briefly related his interview
with the President. His version of it did not ma
erialiy differ from that given subsequently before
the Reconstruction Committee. But may lay In
thi. connection thaton returning from = Richmond
the car-, with whom J had long conversation IN
r. gard to the political status "i the south spoke
v.r>ation he had with Mr.. Baldwin. reciting to
him Thomas III" Presidents proposition. think
J aIu not mistaken, and am c'ftuta that under,
stood Judge Thomas TO say that Dir. Baldwin bad
"a,tI tahjm GgMl Prrsiisat il, tncc"rddnce mM
g. % E.,n ,m,dsk aTtr t;v swS:, W., };1"iss }1mfs s.
was present during the conversation. and is posi-
tire that Judge Thomas :" stated. tFhis l. the
A. one Of Mr. Baldwiu's witn"s~es.) ] omitted TO
state in my recent note that Mr.. Lincoln said that
the proposition Ia abandon Fort Sumar was with
view 10 retain the border States believing IN that
case that the gulf States could be controlled.
In conclusion, will say ihat, with The exception
the Richmond Convention from TIL, lection ol the
Slate-nnd have cunrersed with many oi them
knew that Mr Baldwin had visited the President,
much less OF his being drpuicd 10 represent the
Union sentiment Of the Convention. am positive
no mention was made in caucus Of Mr. Baldwin ;
Submitted to hiln G"v yroroS;tioa toiai"rsr. And,
in my opinion, had Mr Baldwin submitted to the
Convention the rrestdents prop2sit9nE + 10 abandon
di., II would nave been ADJOURNED
Your respectfully. CAMPBELL iAER'
Itwas only last week, in Washington, that
Governor Pcirpoint told me that Mr.. Lin
coin told linn exactly what he had said to
Inc, with the addition of the surrender of
some other fort (either Monroe or Pickcns,
am not sure which,) that Mr.. Baldwin
demanded, when Mr.. Lincoln related to
Mr.. Baldwin the anccdotc Of the lion and
the ass, and the latter requiring, III eX-
change Tor his daughters hand, first, that
he should have his lerociouS-looking teeth
all drawn, and when that was done, then
recurring those hideous claws 10 be cut off,
and when that was complied with, then
the ass, taking advantage OF the helpless
condition Of the old lion, knocked him IN
the head and got rid Of him forever; "and
such," said Mr.. Lincoln, "would probably
be my fate if | should be as obliging and
incautouS as the lion. 1t is enough TO give
up my teeth, but the claws | must reserve
for my own use"
In the conclusion of Mr.. Baldwin's por-
tion of the pamphlet lie (thc balance being
devoted to the republication of the testi-
mony Of Mr.. Lewis, Mr.. Baldwin and
myself, and the letters of several gentle
men, who, as | have already said, only
/ shows that Mr.. Baldwin made different
statement to them from that which he ad-
mittcd TO Mr.. Lewis and myself, which Is
not only conceded, but constitutes the very
ground Of general complaint against him.
SAYS: "When offered To tell Mr.. Bolts
, all about my interview with Mr.. Lincoln, |
! did not undertake or expect TO seek him
for the purpose, but it appears from his
own statement that he very clearly under
stood that he had not yet heard any ac-
count of the affair."" Il heard enough to
form my opinion, and did not care to hear
any more, as the ordinance of secession
was permitted TO pass within an hour or
! two of that time, whilst the Union men OF
that body were kept in profound ignorance
of the peaceful and patriotic suggestion Of
Mr.. Lincoln.) But he continues: 81 did
not know he proposed to make the occur
renee HISTORICAL" perhaps not, or he