New-York tribune., 1866-05-03
NETWORK, THURSDAY, MAY 3, 1866.


"eIen," If it is offensive to the SENATOR
Mr. FEssESDES-Not at all.
Mr. DNoN-I meant to say and now repeat thal even
on such body as the of the United States words OF
wdom.like these might have their erect certainly
wo1d be the last person to reflect on the senate OF he
committee But suppose hat nave s 4 soy H se
wisdom which NAV exist in tho Senate OF even IN the
committee itself Now Mr. PRESIDENT peg leave 70 ssy
word with regard that report and the measures whc
the committee have proposed But for my great respect
for the members Of that committee and ITS cha1na anu
not forbidden by my knowledge that hy are pca
pahr of such thing from the bare reading OF their re-
pored resolutions should have supposed that as .hs
wricr intmates whose language have adopted - ne
ooct Of that report was to W. sueb an
opinion by my great respect for the Committee. know
that they incapable of anything OF the sort ana
am oPsed to pposs hfy under some %
blccircumstances cool the agitation which is PreVang
this subject and result in the readmlsson OF members
from the Rebel States That doubt was their inten-
toi But beg leave that il seems TO me that is
utterly impossible that that should ever be the effect OF H.
Fo examPle-allow me to partieularize-after the
rope cnted in this body and the House of Representa-
v,s for period of nearly four years II they accept the
proDosion next Fall, they TO be denied the right Of
voting for their representatives in Congress We are
olt every day and believe il is to certain extent true
in pme States that the whole of people participated
in tie rebellion or, in the language of the report, adj
herd TO it, The language of the report does not exclude
nicely those who were original conspiraorsi but may
dndy have adhered to the rebellion. Now, consider
represented in the other House and in this body after hav
ngacceped these terms, and still their representatives
be chosen without the votes of the people would
ask who is 10 vote The colOed cannot vote Take
Moth Carolina, and Mississippi, and Georgia. Who isto
chGe representatives in those Staesl will not say is
mokery because my respect for the Committee orbids
Bu ] must say that IL does to me that
expect that of these States will accept the terms
proposed. agree with The EreHisg Post on that point
Will say further that not if they would accept
it, hat they ought TO be permitted TO vote at ALL
Nr FEssEsDES-I wish TO ask the Senator question
hye the impression that President johnson has over
again SAID that the Government OF these States
out 10 be exercised by the loyal portion those who have
ben loyal TO the Union.
IT. DxoN-In the first place beg leave say to the
Senator from Maine, that IL mases difference in FORM
ngmy opinions what the President any body else
Soft the President had said il would not be binding
net place. say that agree with the sentiment not be-
the President said IT, but because believe 1t is
sentiment But that is not what the report says
1h report Of the Committee does not say that only loyal
me can vote. know that the President says that every
boy says who think as do but tho question 49, what
! is loyal man
! lr FEssEsDES-Did he not say those who had been
loyl, those who had not participated in the Rebellion
shmld be entrusted with the Government not that
hisrecommendaon in regard 10 Tennessee
ar DTxoy, IN reply said that he meant those who were
lloyd a the time Of their readmisson. lie would not say
att correct to dsanchsc certain leaders, but
TO dsfranchse the whole people would be impolhc and
unwsc.
NJ GRIMES Iowa said that there seemed TO be some
controversy as what the views ~ the President
OF lie United states. From the peculiar poslloH Nhch
Mf Dixon occupied toward the President, he thought be
/ Mr. Dixon ought TO be informed on the subject
/ lie desired To know from him whether an article
in fAe National i"teIhge"Gsr Of this morning, which ,.a
be understood telegraphed to the country last
ngf represented the views of the Presden II puTPor
ed give the proceedings of Cabinet meeting at which
tho ate report Of the Reconstruction Committee was ds
cusd. II he Gnnes understood the force of language
thsKas not the position Of the President heretofore. Ii
be Understood the subject, the President now nssts that
rhes. States shall be Immediately represented that they
undeF the immediate rpprcsen
iam this oor AMI in the other House, that no ante
cedet condition should be imposed and that his Cabinet
oonurs IN that opinion. He Grimosl supposed that was
the uoposon put forth from the White House in opposi-
ton the report II the Committee of Fiiteenthe imme-
daeun ondtiona admisson without any terms or eondi-
dita. OF the representatives from those States.
/ NJ Drxoy-fhc senator from Iowa intimntcs in his
or,aing remarks that had peculiar knowledge or
meas 81 inowledrc Of the Presidents views He spoke
Of the peculiar relations in which stood to the President
Tho Senator is entirely mistaken in regard 10 that My
rtions the President precisely similar 10 those Of
the Senator himself; have the President but once
within the space Il two months and then for not over
five minutes. take his views IRON his written published
statements.
| yr GRrurs-If the Senator will excuse me- The
fac, that the Senator's resolution identical in spirit
ant almost with the language attributed IN the
Naonai IHcigeHeer this morning to the President led
meto infer
Mr. DIxoS-If il is identical in spirit then the Senator
is mistaken in another point when he snys the President
hasnow taken new views and new grounds lie NJ! ha'
thelanguagc attributed the President in the paper from
VII ch he has read identical III sirit with the resolution
tha have offered. My resolution is taken from the
Presidents Veto Message of the frcedmens bureaI pi
mere than months ago, that the Senator VIII see
that he is mistaken In supposing that there has been any
chngc in the Presidents views If niue are ideneal WIN
his and do not suppose there has been any change
do not suppose that the President has changed from the
yiews contained in that resolution copied the resolu-
tim from the words Of the President contained IN that
Vdo Message, because thought they were extremely
| wdl expressed and because they my views Now
dere with regard TO this resolution Of mine, that
have not offered in consequence OF any consultation
/ A I,tna i.tn 1 hatn NAT
any member Of the Cabinet any human being, with
regard to II. ! read the article in The Eren'ng
Pat, and 1t struck me as being 'I1c' ana oas as
weight and authority. knew it would be
respected by this body from the character Of the writer
thought il correct and exactly accordance with
nv sentiments. Mr. Dixon made some further remarks
| iradvocacy of the resolution he had offered.
Mr.. GRIMEs-I did not intend TO convey the idea that
tie Senator from Connecticut has master, but submit,
after all he has sad whether not perfectly justified
in saying that peculiar relations subssted between him
asd the President when he himself admits that no went
only for the spirit but for the identical language o.
dent In the Frecdmen's Bureau bill.
Mr.. DIXON said 1t not uncommon for resolution to
be offered in language taken from Presidents Message
Mr.. SUMNER rose.
Mr SHERMAN called for the regular order, which was
the Post-Oficc Appropriation bill
Mr.. SUxHER-I shall say but few words would
observe that the question involved in this proposition OF
the Senator from Connecticut is important that may
be considered perhaps always In order to discuss It,
do not know that ought to pass day without INTRO
ducing it in some way certainly do not depreciatc this
discussion, but while that am very positive on an
other point deprecate any effort now to preciPate
that the Senator from Mainethe Chairman of the Com
mittee on Reconstuction-will bear that in mind do
not believe that Congress, OF this moment is in condi-
ton to give the country the best proposition on this ques
,ion am afraid that excellent Committee has listened
too much TO the voices from without insisting that there
be such an issue presented to the country For myself
] have always thought that call was premature.
There is occasion for issue to be pre-
scnted There elections now pending in any
Of the States The election in Connecticut is The
election in New-Hampshire is over. There are to bo no