The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1866-03-01

Mr. BAsKS trcpl of Mass-R tho Chair vii allow
me-.
sugg ssions of tho gcntshan from hxsaachusets who
form riy oc uped this chair.
Mr. BAsgs-Is gg st that tho ruling Of the CHAIR. II
insi-ted upon, limits the debate much c0seiy Az
understand tho speech OF tho socrcLry uf State ha
tional safeiy
Mr. BISGuAN-That In what l am at AK
Mr. BAsxs--1he gentleman fn'm Ohio thinks . little
dill Tenty from the Secretary OF Slate and brings con.
sttutional amendment correct that trouble aud 70
the nation from The trouble which thinks exists
am ceraiu he must be permitted 10 disc opinions
30 important thoss o. the Secretary of State
The srKAKsH--Tho. gentlaInan from Massachusetts
having once occupied this cLar u familiar with the rule
thai debate ON the Pres dent Nesss, 20 In ton,nli.e OF
the Whole is unlimited but that on bills in ,he Houss
sttution when a point af order is raised the debate
must be confined TO the pondIug question: Tho Ct ar
supposed that genteman from Ohio was ipdug ng Ia
line OF debate that not entirely coenatc 70 the mat
ter before the House. The gentleman from Massaeln.
setfs understands aud the House int there
must be- some limit debate IL must bs rel want 10
some extent To tue matter pending before the House
Mr. hAsksI did not er the ruling ~ existing In
1 ans hoGsa OF kepresentayes et an earlier perod but
Only 70 inc general rule affecting the question The con
sttuona amcniment opens up tho fullest debate on
the condition o. the country.
ar; hA.kEi max the point Of order that the aues-
tnn not debntabie, and tue gentleman from Maaa.
chyscu,s nss no r'sot 70 be heard
Chair only for tho purpose os saying what dcsre 10
sav. me gentleman from ohio were d Sc ssing the
omc'a acts of the Secretary OF State he would he
Il
House 10 the Official acts OF chef officers of us gov.
ernu,cnt do not think that admissible in debate.
of any oincer of the government notice should be given
and somo measure adopt Tor the correction OF that
Importance given TO tho country by tie secretary of
state upoicaly and informally Affecting its coDdlt on
sdsaoo hs snbee ~ o s oondop we e M
reference to the proposed amendment OF the consii
tuition we certainly mus, be allowed TO DISCUS. tho
condition OF the country and incidentally the OF
the secretary OF state In re- ereneo here,o anociay
general rule governing parliamentary dIsas,ion and %,
between the they stand at present and The rules
make an issue w,sh the Char aud therefore .1
an opportunity Of explaining ihls subject Withdraw my
Mr. BiSouAN-I renew the appeal wns mot allowed
10 make the statement by which Il would have been
made plain that was In order wished 70 show that,
about there being no danger Tor the future OF III country
made similar u,ierances before which had utterly as" ~
country must 80 outside OF his official position 20 assa
not answer him o., dis Gocr thcrsror. do scs,fIy
appeal from the decson OF the Chair
The srKaKKR-The Chair Will state as the gentleman
intends press his appeal To q vote the eroupd OF hls
decision Tho gentleman frou Ohio s OF course aware
how painful II Is 10 the Chair 20 rule that be rcparks
Il Of order; but he MAS Compelled from d.tsr.
Mr. BIsoHIn-f would be sorry 20 question tho I'm,
Partially of tho Chair fn
Tho srrAkgnT1,e gencu states that member OF Il
the HOUSE under this rule would not be pivI~ cd
ply the renarks Of the Secretary OF Stale Membru
always privileged 10 rery to remarn for there
II the very largest liberty Of debate Commiee the
Whole. The my seventh ruls requires ihats mrmbrr
shall connns himself TO the queh0n und~e &wtAin and
avoid pcrsona,y but In ,ommiiiss sf the voslr be-
bot bound 10 "a oonhpe hifnen. lhis " oscd con.
dis Of tho previous prophecies OF tc rretay
State ID combining the debate 10 the
II u is tho Chair does not know how The ~ no has |
quoted 10 ever 70 be sppcd Tho question ~ H. shall
Che DECISION VI the Char stand tie judg< u tho
House ut l
Mr.. ElpRIDar tdsm Of Wn., moved 10 las sypsai
ON The tshe. .f :.
The efxAxxa intmsted that ne pfrfefren 49,
taken directly ON .'.~ -ps.'f -
MI hfsosn, pepl o. A., lnqu''ea "ne'h" seS
question o. ORDER wa ha' .a ao.a.Aps .. u.u.
Tho srEAxrR answered tnA' " was 70 imned extsnt
M, HrsorD.l DO mot achife " oooa'a uhe onsmai
propcsitioD or tbs; bat idesfe 70 ask ,he ssnuemAn
Mr.. BIssHAn-To relieve the gentleman Withdraw
my appeal
Mr.. Rasxosp--I have the noor aud csnnot be Inter
rupted for that purpose.
Mr.. BrscuAs-f thought might no permitted 70 re-
hsye The gentlemsn.
lief bat do mot want reiel thrust upon me wish 70
ask the ycririnan from vnio whsther he hinks quite
proper and right 70 Introduce entirely new matter INTO
this dscussonwhether he proposes 10 allow rcpy 10
bis remarks or whether he propose 20 cal 100 previous
on hia question Of order.
Mr. BrssHAs-ln order 10 relieve the gentleman pro
pos. 10 withdraw my appeal
Mr.. RArxoSD-Wtll tho gentleman DO Kind enough o
answer my question:
Mr. BiSon.a-i decline 10 answer it
Mr. RsYrOxp--is u becsusc the que ton 10 iiscourie-
ous or improper
Mr. DEGnAn-I have no reply 10 make 10 the sen
tlcrnan.
The RIEAKyR-The gentleman has wiihfraTu the aI-
peal.
Mr. BIsoH,s-There l. one further remark which ]
de.ife 10 make here and trust ri not - considered
out OF order II has been announced by those ~ hlEh
places th.t tbere n danger o. h. hppfehended from
that mill on 0f hioIy IN against the republic
that those saios may be admitted At oIce Nth"ni any
sort 0f cond ton that the loyal people who hse savrd
their government ffom oyerthog ~ vase ef lite have
gn 20 take any security for the utufe That npthiuS
remains Tor thcin 70 DO bat u " te iat"a ca am N
come bark the returning prodgnl tfaiiofA have NJ
doubt that al distant day testimony viii be aidaesd
satisfy every honest man ~bo wishes well 20 " oonn
tfy and the Constitution tiat there - oOt-pfAcy 80
tlng every sate at-iy IN ns rric on sud efrhsee
bgyond their limits under the inVhn on W k w" ihieh
calf Swear hetn-swear Them all-and Vet them -,
a. take Tosseftion ~ the lekAAilFe po~fh o. W
cDuntrY and acrpfHpah BY fasr nnd rDfnpt lrFltn"n