The New York herald., 1866-05-08

not bo said that he has the power 70 remove for
oauss but no. for another the des was strange and
properly performs It's duties should not be paid
because his appointment was particularly unsatisfactory
He believed such power to be wholly ndefcnsibe
wrong principle, and one upon which party could
stand He happened to say in offering the motion TO
reconsider that the doctrine seemed 10 him 10 be almost
revolutionary. He had since declared that rad cal
unionst had Alright 10 use that word, and he would,
therefore, take leave TO withdraw II. He stated the orr
and OF the controversy between Congress and
the President, and said neither showed as yet DIS
position to yield TO the views OF the other but 10 appeal
70 the people in the election Of the next Congress He
supposed that the great majority holding Office as well
AZ the mass Of the Union paety with Congress- and
1t feared the President might attempt 10 enforce his
views by the OF his patronage He hoped such vas
not the case. But he had such purpose, this amend
would not defeat It, II he had not wonld snch
action tend to produce the acon trying 10 avoidH
He EXPIRE sed, In closing firm aud abiding confidence
in the soundness OF his position.
Mr TRUnDuLI, (rep1 Of III, in reply to Mr. Poland,
said he surprised that the senator from Vermont
should have rsen in the Senate to denounce measure
which he and majority OF the Senate had voted for u
call II political quackery indirect and sinister way Of
legislatng and to ask the question: why not act IN
TO impute to majority Of this body dishonesty in
its aston, and TO say that governed by sinister
will suffer myself to be betrayed into such reply
these remarks as thnklthey deserve In body where
% be- sed one iI %
another have never myself INDUCED In any remarks
claiming for myself greater honesty nor have imputed
To others sinister designs or dishonest deeds. The
proposition under consideration received but
small part Of the Senator's attention He has denounced
1t monstrous and he has spoken OF resort 10
doubtful and desperate measures lone upon which
party could stand He that he IL disposed to make
the hght within the pale Of the consttution. Does he
mean by that, that anybody is disposed TO make the
fight out OF the pale Of the constitution Why. sir
think the majority of the senate who voted for the
have much respect for the constitution the
Senator from Vermont and as little inclination TO resort
10 sinister or dishonest mode OF legislation 10 carry
out their object What Is this amendment and IL IL
10 this that design to condne my remarks; TO 20
ino history OF the war, the gallant deeds
Of the sons OF Vermont The heroic boys who went
from all the States, who put down the rebellion,
did their duty, from Vermont well as elsewhere and
legislation here should be shaped the fruits
OF the victory which their vslor achieved and should
not permit by leg station here, the fruits OF the VIC
tory to achieve which they made such great sacrifices
10 be lost. The proposition Is simply that persons
sttutonaly in Office shall not be paid The Senator ad
ms that he would have objection TO that portion Of
the amendment which provides that II the President
shall undertake TO III vacancy which existed while the
Senate was In session after the senate had adjourned
that the person with whom fills that vacancy shall not
be paid. Was that sinister resort TO des-
perate measureY To what does he objectY He
objects object oeSanse ,, we o yin not pay man
overthrowng the Union party, and turning the COM
try over to those who have been 6ghting for i've
years Mr. Trumbu then argued in favor Of the amend
mcnt reiteratng reasons already urged BY him for
In conclusion he remarked that II Mr. Poland
that the President turning out Of Office
he tMr TrumbuIl) was very we'll aware Of it, The United
States Marshal Of Pennsylvania and the Collector Of
Ptsburg had been removed and II he were at liberty to
refer to what beng done in executive session he
might convince Mr. Poland that removals not few
nor uncommon He knew OF a case in which oiice-
holder had taken part In meeting 10 endorse Congress-
and after he received letter the subject asking
him to explain II he was M that meeting and endorsed
Its action
Mr. smRMAS spoke against the wisdom and propricty
Of attaching such provisions to the Appropriation bill
The proposition did not as Mr.. Trumbu said provide
loyal should not be turned out and rebel
put in II provided just rs we'll that man who had
held Office for Ave years could be turned and
Union soldier ont in his place or that II he was put in
he could be paid untl the Senate consented TO his
appo ntment The amendment did not accomplish the
in utaW ThR Wl ~ q n ufAd
end by direct Congressional LEGISLATION, not amend
mens to appropriation bills Asscssos collectors, post
be placed beyond the power OF removal by the
President Congress, Mr. sherman said need have
controversy with the President on this subject II
the PRESIDENT used The patronage in his power against
the party that elected him should b. for Congress at It's
next session IN guard against H. but there was need
Of doing so now.
Mr. STEWART said he was In favor Of resonsiderng
the vote on this amcndm,nt He had no doubt Of the
power Of Congress refuse pay officers OF the gov
refuse pass appropriation bills He had
doubt Of the power OF the President TO veto any bin
passed by Congr ~; but II a question OF pocy--a
question OF correct line OF policy II had been the
policy In the last thirty years for the President TO have
Tie power of removal Something must have occurred
recently make this amendment necessary. He sug
gucsied that II would he better before acting this
question TO ascertain what was the policy OF Congress on
it said that the President would
his patronage % carry out hts policy be.ore knowing
whether tis would be night not Congress ought %
present its plan IN the country At present he confessed
he did not know what the plan Of Congress II
seemed be- ficult TO ascertain what 1t 10 the
n.
tons recently offered by him for universal suffrage In
roturn for universal amnesty. He believed the i'res
dents plan was better than that reported by The Recon
struction Committee which he did suppose any
member Il the committee would nnequivocaly endorse
Mr. Stewart agreed with Mr. sherman that u was COM
pcten for Congress 10 control the appointment OF in
fcrior officers and u II desired to rest the appoint
power in the Supreme Court. He quoted from the SUI
premc Court decs " show that the power 10 remove
IRON Office vested IN the President
Mr. HowE, rep o Ws., spoke against the reconsid.
GRAFTON lie was sorry 10 hear gentlemen urge against
fta papfi 4pa Inns nj Ike n
hsc between Congress and the President II too
much like the appeals TO the fears OF the public resoed
b. for nty years prior to -G0 In support OF grea.
deal Of the legislation OF this body Then IL found
the ccison wousi be between the rerent sections OF
the ntry. lie did not like to hear It urged here
argument that tho presid nt would the bill II
adopted The Senate ought 20 consider whether the
bl and amendments we're right and y y de,,d'd they
ferently he can send veto here
Mr.. sAuissrrY tdem Of Del, said this controversy
seemed be between the two branches OF the repub
party rather than between the republican party aud
the party which he belonged. There med 70 be
two wings Of that party, according 20 that debate-one
party led by Congress and the other by the
President He belonged " neither The demo-
S,a party ss hs SsGy Q, na ,ne one s a,
could bring peace and union to the co ntry This wW
the only interest they had In the controversy going on
hear the able speech OF Mr. Poland but he sincerely
regretted to hear him the word copperhcad term
engendered by the war and which he hoped never 10
hear the senaie floor again He spoke briefly against
appointing power q the President He had yrt to and
that the present Executive had the appointment Of the
rt democratic ooer aud While he glad 10 say that
personal friend of the President he would alo
say that neither he his party looking for Official
crumbs from bis table They endorsed him his policy
o. reconstruction, he right and N his hands
fell Gown that work democrats aud democratic
voices would lft them up. II VAS n great mistake |
to suppose that democrats wanted once from tie |
President They asked him TO appoint who |
voted for him, but 70 be and appoint those who
not his epcnies He surprised 10 rcpob |
fv
Seward and Stanton Was Seward gong 10 Join tie
domocratsf He could not think possibe Was Stan.
ton going desert tho republs sanst The democrats did
not want him and would DOT have him The republ cans
M gst keep m Ia conclusion Mr. salisbury said -
Andrew Johnsop might. II he acted rightly not through
the action of tie democratic party bot by Tie spona
action almost of the American people become the
next President OF the United States The people might
will this and " they did the republican ar,y could do
lit,lo against them
sr srgwAsr roso 10 reply 70 Mr Howe He did not |