, 1866-03-01

Trs MssgSpES. understand that to be
hn effect of t.. I cannot updeEstsndtt other
rise. ( vish wase mistaken. do not SAY
hat be asserts we have no legal right to DO it,
ut that we hare no moral ifaght. tne osn-
te VIII excuse, VIII read that portion OF the |
II cannot but add another very grave OBJ
ertiot, 10 this bill. The Constitution 1mper'
iiyely declares, in connection With taxation, |
hat each State shall hnve nt least one Repre-
,reaentative, and fixes the Tulc Tor the nun,
,er to which, in future time, EACH state shan
t the United States shall be composed ct TWO
senators from each State; and adds. with Pc
.ultar force, thnt no State, without Us con-
ent, shall be deprived Of its equal sut1rngo IN
he 5enate.' The original oct was necessarily
3assed in the absence OF the States cRienf
q be affected, because their people
xere then contun3aciousy. I, engaged gg4sa .na y
somex at least, Of those States arc attending
Congress by. loyal Representatives, sol,
.,ifnp the allowance Of the constitutional
drtf OF representation. AT tho time: how
eycr, of the consideration and the passing o&
This bill there was no Senator or Representa-.
a1c 10 be mainly affected by Its provisions.
The ye1y fact that reports were and arc made
ueninst The good disposition Of the people OF
that norton of the country Is m additional
reason why they need, and should have, repre-
sentatives Of their own in Congress to explain
their condition, reply 10 accusations, and a
sist, BY their local knoMledEe P t1 .ne Pe5,ecs-
selves. Whi1a the liberty of deliberntion
would then be free, and Congress would have
full power to decide according TO 1ts 1udg.
menf, there could be no objection Urged that
the States most Interested had net been per-
mitted to be heard. The principle Is firmly
lrcd in the minds Of the American people that
there should be no taxatfon Without repre-
scntation. Great burdens have now to be
borne By all the country, and we mny best
demand that they shall be borne without
murtpur when they arc voted by majority
Of tho representatives Of ali the people"
DO at contend that he says st IN 80 mans
TGff u TIT he eo eson eeea s he mikes se to
the foundation, that no bill affecting the
rights or the interests Of the so-called Con-
Tolerate States shall be passed by congress
until Representatives md Senators rom those
statcs are permitted to take part IL our d.
q correct position, that In relation to those
Statca which have4been recently in rebellion,
which have fought for four years against the
Government, and endcavored to overturn 1t,
VIC can pass no law affecting them, or re-
straning them q PsSTiag rhanEe ne
tue Constitution or anything else, until we
admit their Representatives and their
Senators upon the foor Of Congress.
I understand that to be tho necessary
inference. The President argues II
He states 1t argumeptati7cly, to
to be sure, hut then that Is the inevitable rc'
anything which affects their interests Is gone
aud particularly, that We have no power te
pass any law or any rule, or make any condt
lion with regard to them, but that we arr
bound TO take them just as they arc upor
their say SO and when they are here, acting
with us, We may proceed to legislate-
decline to give my assent to any such pfopo
sition.
III. DooL1TTlE- Icertaln1y do not wish tt
Interrupt tie honorable Senator in the cours'
Mr.. FEssESDES. 1t Is no interruption a
| all. am perfectly willing to hear auYthln.
| the Senator desires to say.
! Mr. DooLlTTLE- only rise no" 70 stat
| that understand the force Of that portion o
the message to be discussion OF the pro
4 priety, not the power, of legislation. Il is
question Of rrop1icty whether 1t would no
be better, ii loyal representatives are here
and the States orc 1T to be represented, tina
We should have them hcrc. and consult witt
them when legislating for their states. @ .,a.
ground for his veto; and if he can veto on
b1n upon that ground, he can and must, fo
tic sakc Of consistency, veto every other bil
pass on that subject. Why Is this In th
messenger What necessity was there for It Il
this messagcs The gentleman talks abou
p1iety of the thing Is made q specific groun
for refusing to sign bill, that sense OF pre-
prtety applies to every other bill that may a
feet the Interest Of those States does It not
Mr, DooL1rrLE. do not understand thu
to 10 stated as . ground Of the veto at al
You ask why Il Is there. He states 1t as a
imR1oREisty in hts Judgment, ganene, hnt ,,a ,no,h
or very grave objection to this BILL" Is no
that ground Of objection to the bill! Tha
Is the way the paragraph commences II tn
President had given Us little friendly h9vic
In relation to That matter, disconnected e1
tircly with statement oft as IN objection +
the measure under consideration. nobod
would have received 1t with better nature an
better grace than myself. might not haT
acceded't to his reasons, but would have re
| ceivcd them with all respect, and perhaps O.
some matters nc should agree very much bel
ter than We would appear to do when Il
stands In the position Of President yetotn
The bill end IN the position os,isa ?, ssna,q
wns Just there; he makes the far
that Senator's aud Representatives have nc
been admitted from those States an objectio
to this bill and while 1t stands 50 It Is a
objection to any bill, nc matter what. tha
VIC may choose to pass, or anything thai " y
may affect the interest Of those States. Tt
of ii.
Striking me with the force that this posftie
Of the veto mess1ge did, whatever I mtgl
thtuk Of the Presidents other objections
the bill, md however might treat ther
that Is one ground which rendered 1t impos!
bic for me 10 yield my assent, by agreeing
waive my own opinions in Inference to Il
! to ret something; because, you see, that Eo
to the very foundation. No bill, the Scaa
will perceive, touching Freedmen's Bnrea
no b{ll touching any other interest conuectt
With the colorcd people, no hill touching m
!: thing that may afect the Southern State
Lot Us 70 little rurthes. sir. Ireceiyed Il
Impression that the Presldent really unde
| took to limit what understood to be Il
l poWcrs Of Congress In relation to this matte
} nnd to show that, will read little more
the message. After speaking on the suhje
| Of Introducing legislation before admitttl
! Senators and Representatives from the
States into Congress, he says:
. IT would not Interfere With the un1uestio
able right Of Congress- to Judge, each Hou
for itself sof the elections, returns, and gus
, idcAtions of its own members.' But that d
thority capnot bo construed as including Il
right 10 shut out, In time Of peace, any Stu
from representation to which It Is entitled
. the Constitution"
!: In his speech yesterday, he said:
III say, that when they comply with q
Constitution, when they have given sutt1cle
evidence Of their loyalty and That they CT
fbe trusted, when they yield obedience to Z
law, soy extend to them the right hand
fellowship, and let peace and union be
, I.storcd.''
!. He is talking there about representatlo
! Is It not plata, distinct, indisputnblc intt
! ence from what have rcad from the We
: message that we cannot judge upon III
:, question except the simple question Of t
: elections, returns, and qualifications Of o
own mcmhersf Let US hear what he goes
: 10 say In that mcstage:
SAT present all the people of eleven Stat
are c1clnded-those who we're most faith
. during tho war not less than Others. 7
: Slate Of Tennessee, for Instance, whose O
G thoritlss engaged In rebellion, wns reAtor
. to all her constitutional relations to !
9 Union by tho patriotism and energy Of
injured and betrayed people.h
Z Does he mean us 10 Judge upon the positl
OF the State of TenncsseeY
+ "Before the war was brought to tcr1ni1
tion they had placed themselves In relatlo
with the General Government, had establish
I State government Of their Owl, and
= they were not 1ccluded IN the EmanclpAt1
:. Proclamation, they, By their OVID act, b
y amended their constitution 40 as to abon
;, slavery within the limits uE their State.
e know no reason why the Stnte Of Tennesa'
Z for example, should not fully enjoy all
y constitutional relations to the United State:
= shalt not read any more from the "a
e tage, though 1t contains other language VIII
. goes to confirm the same idea- r ha
q mistaken the view Of the President, I shall
9 very glud to be corrected by him OF By. a
d other body tnat is authorized to speak
n him; md one would think there are plenty
those gentlemen about; but what be says
le substantially, In my Judgment, this: b.
y come to the conclusion that these statea I
a in tho Union to be represented u the coune
T. Of the nntion, und particularly is the State
q Tennessee. admit that certain things nj
ID be done; they must show their loyalty, bu
5 am the person to decide upon whether th!
e things have been done; whether that !oya
st has been shown whether that condition
II | nth al other NOn1it1{