The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1866-02-08

k spng the black man slavery as long as he has
That is all true. Asain talk about the Declaration OF
all that. and know how appreciate t. But let
look each other In the face Lot US 60 TO tho
States Let us take the condition IN which they
are in at the present time and it bad enough.
we al snow.and suppose by some magic touch
you could say to every one You shall vote tomorrow"
How much would that ameorate their condition at this
time! NOW let US get closer TO the subject and talk
slavery on two grounds First it was great mon
astocracy enabling the few TO derive great profits and
rule the many with iron rod were; and thst s
monopoly. / was opposed TO it, secondly, upon the sb
stract principle. In getting clear Of monopoly We
SEQ there two ends accomplished in the accomplish
ment OF the one.
Nj. DoUGLAss-Mr President, do you wish
The PREsIDxNT-I am not quite through yet Slavery
has been abolished great national guarantee hes
been gven-one that cannot be revoked. l getting
the black very small proportion Of white per-
sons compared with the whole number the
State Of tennessee In illustration there were twenty
seven non savehoiders and yet the slave power con-
trosd cha. state Let Us talk about this matter as y is
that locality and Sf thai community, yst in conpsrse
be Usually estimated his Importance Just IN probort6s
the number Of tho slaves that his master owned VIA
the non slavcholdsr Have you mover hvcd upon paa
Mr. DouGLAss-I have ysdr Excelency
The PRxnDEr-when you would look over and SO
who had large family struggling hard upon pooe
piece OF land you thought great deal less Of him hAA
you did Of your own master.
The PREsDEr-Wel, know such the case with
largo majority OF you In those sections whore such y
there is a hate. The poor white man, on tho
other hand, was opposed to the slave and his
kept him In slavery by deprving him Of fair partopa
ton in the labor and productions OF the rich lands OF the
country. Do not you know that the colored in going
to hunt MASTER they called It, for the next year.
preferred hiring 70 who owned slaves rather than
to who did nots know the fact, at all events.
Mr. DoUCrAss-Because they treated him better.
The PREIDEu-They did not consider il quite as 70
spectacle to hire 10 who did not own negroes as 10
hire to one who did.
we'll
The PaEHDEsr-Then that s another argument in favor
OF what am going say It shows that the colored
man appreciated the slave highly than he
did the man who did not own slaves. Hence the en-
nifty between the coored man and the non saveholders
The white man was permitted to vote before the
government was derived from him. He is
part and parcel Of the political machinery
now. by rebellion or revolution; and when you come
back TO the objects of this find that the aboi
ton Of slavery was not ono Of the objects Congress
and the President declared that IL was on our part in
order suppress the rebellion The abolition Of slavery
has incident 70 the suppression Of greet
rebeon-as an incident we should give 70 i proper
slave; by the operation OF the rebellion he came out
freedman equal TO freedman in other portions OF the
The STAKEHOLDER who forced into the rebellion,
loyal those that lived beyond the limits q
tho State, carried into IT, and his property and In
number Of instances the lives of such, sacrificed
and he who has survived has come out OF with nothing
gained but great deal lost Now, upon principle ot
justice should they be placed in condition derens
from what they beforef On the hand one has
gained great deal the other hand one has lost great
deal, and In political point Of Wow scarcely stand
where he did bcforo Nov, talking about whore
going 70 begin. We have got at the hate thal
existed between the two races The query comes np
whether these two races situated they before
without preparation without time for passion and On
sshss the one should
turned loose upon the other and be throw
together at the ballot box with this enmity an
will wc not there commence war Of racesf think
understand this thing; and especially Is this m
consent You have spoken about government wheS
Is power derived fromf We say 1t derived from u
people lie, Us take IL 20 and refer to the District
instance here In this political community which, u
certain extent. must have government. must have
can, take into consideration tho relation which the
white has heretofore bornc 70 tho coored pro-
the elective franchise without regard 70 color making
puivsrsr Now whoro do you Desius 0cvernmsns -
instance suppose Congress should pass law authoriz
ing election be held At which all over twenty one
q o. s s majority q uoS ssos
that the elective nanchiss should DO universe,
wa. would MI you DO r,.s = woS
right OF the people TO govern themsevess Will you 70
sort TO an arbitrary power, and say majority OF The
people shall receive state Of things they ere opposes
Mr. DouoLAxs-rhat was said before the war
The PRxspxn-i am now talking about principle,
not aboat what somebody said.
Mr.. DowMsc-Appiy what You have said Mr. Presi-
dent, 70 South Carolina. for instance
The PRErDxSr-Suppose you go to South Carolina, o.
to Ohio, that does mot change the principle ~ all TIE
query which have referred still comes up when gov
ernment Is undergoing fundamental change Govern
mcut commenced upon this principle, and has existed
upon II, and now you PROPOSE TO incorporate n
the query comes up in undertaking this thing whehsr
have right 70 mako change IN regard 70 the eec
tive franchise in Ohio for instance Whether We shah
let the people that State decide the matter for
themselves. Each community Is bc.or prepared 70
determine the depository OF political power than
Of Ohio say who shall vote not for the Congress %
the United states Imght go down here to the baloe
but II great majority Of the pscple said sNo" shosii
consider would b yranpca ana arbitrary IN me 10 ~
tempt to force Il upon them ~i ,n, their MIL ~. =
pie must be obeyed when fairly expressed y hess
anything wrong OF unfair in thar
Mr. DoUeLAss lsmfi'ngi-A great ded wrong, ~
Tho PPxsDxSr-The people must Determine this ques-
work tina, will commence q war OF raceS In each
community, II q man, denscans himself we'll, sn1
he viii be rr ss in ali hrs rights and gwen every pos
sble advantage by that community, when they havebe
come rcconced socially and politically 70 certain things
moniousy But forced upon tho people BE-
fore they are prepared for II, 4 viii BE- 70
that forcing that matter upon the people, upon the com
munity will result the injury Of both and tho
of one the other. God knows have no desire
but the good Of the whole human race. would
1t were so that all you advocated could b
done In the twinkng Of eye; but u
Is not in the nature OF things, and Do
not pretend 10 be wiser than Providence, a.
stronger Than The laws Of nature Let now seek "
discover the laws governing this question There
great law controlling IT. Let endeavor 70 lind osse
what that Law Is and conform action 10 H. All the
details will then properly adjust themselves and wosk
well In tho end God knows that anything can a.
In tho mighty process by which the great end s 70 b
reached, ansthng I do ~ elevate the races ~
soften and ameorafe their condition, viii do, and 70
be able 10 do 40 Is desire OF nv heart An
rncnts You have paid me.