New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1866-02-03

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Wants those they can control and eject Wlo99 in
u,ose 10 make our laws. That is not the hihu u nt
crease Of suffrage i want. l want al sue, ~ ,recG
of from il. But when they have saia 10 o. vcu shall
non 70 the former slaves You are men anu ~ rnt
be ropreseDted, then let them come heIc bo few
be here to see them, as did their masters W. when
years since drew pistols ana dag.c' vet free people
will be here represented, and they WI" ''A'
themselves. . .,o amendment OF
NV friend from Ohio Ills proposition u " aPpUs t
represertation according 70 the maio 49, +, vas
states why has he put in that TTIs States betora
na,or IN Tho CON ,titution OF the Un1ed states peoo'
W. W. - ,y,,sade against women IN the Consutu-
Lion Of the natonf Laughter Is u! lreu as ruGSn
afraid of their rivalry as t9e o Wy he
~ btor do not think ought ia dishguTe the
S'ons5itnton with such provision. nnd that every
unmarried man is opposed 70 ,nc & ;ner
ference from that quarter know not. Laughter
certainly sha never vote to insert the word male or
these things be attended 10 by the States.
Now sir there is another fatal objection to the propo
ls,on Of my friend from Ohio If have been rightly
informed the number there from - 10 20 Rep
who are not citizens Of the United States In New
York, think, there are three or four Representatives,
And so il is in Wisconsin. Iowa, and other Northern
State. There 10 or 90 Northern Representatives
that wcud be lost by that amendment and gwen 10 me
South whenever they grant The elective franchise 10 he
negro.
Now sir while have not any particular regard for
any foreigner who goes against yet do not tlnh
il would he wise 10 put into The Constitution or sen 10
the people proposition 10 amend the CONSTITUTION
which would take snch Representatives from those
States and which therefore they viii never adopt l
nave no hope that any such proposition womb ever De
adopted Let us try 10 be practical On tie 9Th day
Of December last introduced proposition to amend
the Constitution founding representation upon the
voting basis and excluding the foreign population as
the proposition Of my friend from Ohio doef. 1t was
dear my heart for bad been gestating II Tor three
months Dauchtcr.l But when came TO consult ne
Committee Of Fifteen and 1und that Inc S'aes Mou9
not adopt IT, surrendered il. Now, cannot my ireDu
from Ohio give up his darling, too Laughter
| had another proposition, which hope may again
bs brought forward Ii is this:
Al National and state shall be equally applicable to
every cn and no animation shall be made % account
There is The genuine proposition; that is the one
love- thai is the which hope before we separate
we shall nave educated ourselves up 10 the ldea o
adopting and that We shall haye educated our people
up 10 the point of ratying Bot 1t would not DC wise
10 ensngle the present proposition with tnat one; iho
one NIGH, drag down the other; and although nave
not obiained what want, L content 10 take what
after comparing ideas with others, beheNc we can
carry through the States; and believe We can carry
this proposition. ,,,,u,
abDsed Some learned gentlemen on the other side for
whose feelings have great regard, seem TO tbihk So
and whom say on the other side" ! do not want 10
be rnisunderstoO6-I some Of our friends on the
other side Of the Chamber LanRhterI Inc others
there have spoken bat nave as much regard Tor
ME might DO eyaded by saying that no man who had
ever been slave shall vote. aud tTt tAat Wooih Do DC
a Acknowledgement on account Of race OF cOior aioW
me 10 say that that suggestion must nave Deen mode
hastily and nor with that welcoBsdered Judgment
which generally characteiizes those gentlemen; sr
no men in America ever was OF ever cou ne save II
he WIS a white man. / know White men have been
hold in bondage contrary law. But there never Was
court IN The United States, In slave STATE or nee
State that has not admitted that u one held as save
could prove himself to be white he was that instant
free And therefore such exclusion on account Of
previous condition Of slavery mnst be an exclusion on
account Of race or color. Therefore that objection falls
10 The ground.
Now tine question IL narrowed down 10 tie sole cues.
ton of choice between the proposition OF !he Com
mitee and the proposition OF the gentleman nom ONO
M ScheDek) There is necessity. then, unless L
desire TO exhibit myself for my proceeding any further
in this matter. Nor do propose 10 30 INTO an exam
inaton Of what was perhaps the not quite pertinent
argument Of the gentleman from New York (Mr. Ray
m0nd). All want is that twOthirds OF each branch OF
lis Congress shall vote airmatively on this question.
And while should take pleasure in having the Presl'
dent approve of conduct yet he has nothing to say
about Il on this question We do not send to him and
ask his opinion about it. and therefore 1t was all the
more kind in him to send US his opinion without being
! asked for il.
But we know perfectly well that the President has
nothing TO do with this matter The passage % ths
amendment by twO-thirds vote OF both Houses OF
Congress will carry before the State Legislatures for
o ratification without regard TO the approval or dsap'
prova Of the President. 1t is true that tie Constitu'
iiona Amendment for the abolition of Slavery was,
after its passage by both Houses Of Congress- sent in
advertantly President Lincoln for lis signature.
But although he signed il because he approved it, yet
acting with the sagacity and the modesiy which were
characteristic Of him. he sent TO congress message
stating that that body in sending him that joint resO
ton for approval had done what the constitution dd
not REQUIRE We shall not trouble President johnson by
sending him this amendment II should DC passed ny
Cgux.sss because II is not necessary TO submit 1t 20
him for his approval.
AS said before DO rot intend TO refer particularly
10 the able elaborate and eloquent speech of my friend
from New-York CMr. Raymond). because that speech
had TO great extent, no connection whatever WIN
this question except possibly so far as the sfdH OK the
States may be affected by this amendment lie stu
persists in saving that the seeded States are and
always have BEEN the Union that the Constitution
would not allow them to go out. Tic took the same
ground before. i mad undertaken to prove that they
were OF the Union not by consent but by opera
non Of law. had stated that they formed tie Con
fcderae Government as States; that they had raised
large armies that they had done what State could
Conftitutionay do, issued letters OF marque which
were recognized by US and the civilized world.
There Il no doubt, sir that for three years ac.
knowedged that Rebel Government as Il beligerent as
did the whole civilized world. But whether we 20 &C..
knoWedged the Rebels not, the law Of nations de-
} cales that when they had established Government
and maintained themselves for sufficient length Of
time 10 rise above the position OF more murderers in
suirectioniss they became belgerents; and IL does
not make particle Of difference whether the parent
Government recognizes them belligeIens. In this
case however, the acknowledgment Of our own Gov.
eminent and tie wesetted doctrine o the law Of
tions combined in conceding 10 the States in rebellion
ths position.
Tie gentleman cannot deny this state OF facts and
yet he reiterates the doctrine, once State always
State" Nav be pardoned for reading paragraph
from Vatteli
when nation become. divided into two psrie. Also.
Lutte independent, and longer acknowledging
superior S3e is dissolved and the between the
parties stands the ground IN every respect public
war between two different nations"
Again, read:
"Tie conventions. the treaties, made with are
broken annued by arising between the contracting
parties"
This is the doctrine OF Vatol well as Of GTotius
and Rutherford, and Puiiendorf The gentleman from