The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1866-03-10

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get very few of them from England. What do not
make we import better from the United States, and you
might desire 10 nave inc advantage OF free market ior
were considered permanent there might be difficulty
about this but regard 1t as altogether exceptional
Mr. MoRRILI.--We do not expect II TO be permanent
Mr. GMT-If IL were 20 last, then plainly your manu-
could not compete with those OF other nations
sn foreign market.
Mr MoRRIL-We shall have to wait until the position
as altered before adapting our legislation TO different
Mr. GAIT-If we remove the duties any articles we
now buy from you cheaper those articles TO
people and increase Their ability TO buy. They would
buy more Is it worth while to the list OF
duabe articles to sec If We can deal with any on
the principle spoken ofg
Mr. MoRRILI-I hardly think 80.
NAVIGATION THE LAWRENCE AND LAKE MICHIGAN
Mr. MogmLL-In relation to the navigation Of Lake
Michigan in connection with the Of the ST. Lawrence
and your canals, don't know whether you have any
late returns
Mr. GALr-we have returns to s0th June last.
Mr. MoRnnL-You will not fail to observe, then, that
she OF your canals by vessels is very important
you for you get the tolls from that you do
from yonr own people, and we use them much more
Mr. GAIT-The Welland canal you do.
Mr. MoRRuL-Not the st. Lawrence canals because
do not use the ST. Lawrence 70 Europe Hardly any
vessels 60 thither.
Mr. GALr-You do use them to a considerable extent
for vessels going down TO Montreal.
Mr. HowIAND--And there is trade between the lakes
and Europe The ST. Lawrence route from the lakes to
Europe direct ng used to considerable extent
There are two lines now plying regularly
EQUIVALENT TO TIE INTERNAL REVENUE TAX SHOULD
Mr.. MoRErLL-I had hoped you would have been able
60 make definite 10 the proposition Of yester
Mr. GMr-well sir, we do. With reference to the
articles In the first list admit that the principle Is
inst one and we have no objection to have th treated
upon that principle Indeed we should have preferred
10 extend the list
Mr. MoRRnI-Do we understand, then that as far as
these articles concerned would e satisfactory TO
place them the footing spoken off That there should
be- duty fish, for example, OF half per pound
ON dried cod, three dollars per barrel on salmon, and
Mr.. GMT-Wen, the idea, as understand it, is that
duties corresponding your taxation should DO
imposed recprocay by either country
Mr.. MoRRIII--Just SO. But it would be very difficult
for us to say what tho taxes particular articles
For instance, take the fisheries We do not really
the FISH nythng but the fisherman his
ings, tax his vess tax at present his salt
the cordage manufactured for his nets tax all the iron
put into his craft
SIR. HgSRy-SO do we.
Mr. MoRgnI---But not by an internal revenue tax.
Mr.. GAI1Is 1t not possible that the commits
sion may propose TO make material changes In these par
IcuarsY
Mr. MonRILI-Oh we contemplate making changes
ourselves, and therefore about to say that TO pre-
vent suspicion of bad faith would be better to Xix
the duties at given rate
Mr.. Caldwell, then, there is reason for dealing
with each article separately Let an estimate be made
of the general pressure of your duties aud then class all
these articles together to he imported at such rate
II you had specific internal duty any Of them which
represented the whole amount of your taxes YOU could
FIX the rate that article easily; but, doubt the
OF all of themust the of the excise on
beer and whiskey-tIere are other burdens In those
see that there burdens dis,leres, bTewe
Ties, NC, .hat add to the cost of production.
Mr.. SioHmLi--0ur stamp duties add little.
Mr. GALT-We haves0me small stamp duties too.
Nr HowIASD--We have taxes that In many cases cor
respond with yours.
TAXATION 10 wEAIJH
Mr. MoRRDi-In speaking of our taxation you must
not assume that poor On the contrary,
never more prosperous than now.
Mr.. GAIT do not suppose that the taxation you
imposing will cripple you much. In reference to our
mutual relations, the sup ror capital you possess and
ready access 10 the seboard AT all give
advantages which ar than compensate any
lion you have And Whatever burdens particular articles
may have 10 bear still there Is the great result pointed out
by the Secretary 20 tho Treasury that the burden your
general industry does not amount 10 than or
per of the gross earnings tho people IT.
from circumstances you have cumulative duties on any
articles should be corrected but the real pressure
On your labor is what mention. Therefore believe
that daty OF three per cent would represent all the
burdens ON your industry II hsy were properly adjusted
Mr. MonmLl-perhaps we have little more to bear
than that Our States aud cities have debts and expen
dtiurcs
probably heavier ones than yours. fOur communities
being poorer than yours the expenses incurred for sm
lar improvements must necessarily weigh heavily
We should be very glad to know the rates OF duty you
intend 10 propose
Mr. M0RRiLI.-We must hrstt discuss tha question
among ourselves
(rhe conversation again reverted 10 the asheries)
Mr. McrGsLL-0ar market is so much better than
yours
TIE TWO MARKxrs
Mr.. GMT-Not exactly, sir. Our market in Canada
Is better for than yours for us mean that we buy
good 10 remember has than half the fisheries
You have the privilege to use she has the Masdalen
Islands, where tho fisheries are most productive
General GARFIELD--Does Canada own theIng
Mr. GAIrYes, and We have official reports tina, seven
hundred vessels beng nttcd out in Gloucester
To go 10 our fishing grounds in the spring.
Mr. HowLAND-The great point for US TO consider Is
that from our relative geographical position the in
iercsts VI TIE two countries require that their
modtle should be intcrchaugcd with the greatest free
dom possible Thus our fisheries are at end of the
province, and we scarcely their products;
buy the sh we want from you and somewhere
else
Mr. GALr-we both might by legislation entirely stop
the trade between The Two countues but we should sl
possess within ourselves everything get from You,
while you would have everything you get from u.s. But
the OF these ARTICLES respe peoples would
he somewhat increased The lower provinces take
5000 900 worth of breadstus year, aud almost all
from you. We could supply them with all that. so,
100, with coal We don get 1t from the lower provinces
now because ne get Is cheaper from Pennsylvana
hr. HowiAsp-Irade IN one article m one direction,
rngs with IT trade la other arcics In other directions
Since buy coal from you and send YOU bread
When there Is plenty of trade ircghis reduced aud
the cost oi transportation escned III we were 10 send
might have TO bear the costs OF the rctarn trip Of the
vessel or railway On this account the people there
can supply themselves somewhat cheaper IN your
kcisi but The same remark applies 10 many parts Of
your c0untry, which go things OF many kinds from
rs cheaper than they coi,d in your own markets.
Dit, HtSEiWe get hall million barrels Of issur from
abe United States in Nova Scotia And tae Canadians get
coal from Penny wanna II lour we're forced TO come
down. coal would no doubt 20 back The ony difference
would he that these articles might cost both parties
somewhat more than II trade were 10 continue IN It's
present channel
ISTrNfkTEs THAT TIE TRANSIT TRADE THROUGH
THE STATES
Mr. MoERuL-Perhaps you eau also consider the ques-
hon Of the trns OF mcfchandsn Through respective
countries For do not know that may not I've
peeled TO stop tho transportation OF goods TO Canada via
Portland You import many more millions OF goods
than you require That q seems probable some cute
Yankees may be importing them INTO Canada, for the
lko Of getting licIa snugg ed back INTO the states
Mr. GALr1lat Is cutire misconccptlOn, siI, which,
must soy, astonsshcs greatly.
Mr. MoIauiL-hOw IL 10, then. that you consume so
much o.cl every description than you did
three years a,.!
Mr. sAIY--f On are msinformcd, sir very much. The
pton OF couny has not changed la character
have imports. Indeed may state that with
regard 20 wbiskey, Ia witch suppose most smuggling
would be carried on production last year one
nnh c than II was tue ear before.
Mr. MOHIsiII-I call your acnt Ia tie articles OF