The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1866-06-13

Mr. John MoKsoa ~ss greeted WITH burst Of aPplsass
The Commissioner said thar then was ny e.e' =
non Of approval % dasapproeatou b. roo% m o.rs
would order the 01cess 70 clear the couN 49, - 49,
Mr.. yames Gibbons who had been sxaA moo - mon
day. was again called and reexamined BY So1 s
Colonel Roberts wrts though. hs could Judge hand
whiting "a wns,en paper producedl tbs - ~
TESTIMONY OF Nh. JOHN kAH0k.
Mr. John Aahon. sworn and examined BY Mr. Coun
ney-I am : reporsv; have known Mr.. Roberts proOa.
myss a. '' Isporss have designated Sesaqu.rsrs
Union square and The other IN Broadway, forget
tho number; think 4 wAs the Jones House. in saying
headquarters wish you 70 understand that that e my
designation Of is visited the place the Sunday after
reported expedition, about which know nothing did
not visit the headquarters for many months before that
Mr. Roberts u this plncs in Broadway and several
other persons also; nothing TO lead suppose
he sas doing any business except talking 70 some gentle
men, ~ ! was; wont thers . reporter 70 gain
Information from him regarding certain things that
saw reported 10 The pApers-to get what Information
ported 10 the papers; read In the papers that
under General Sweony went 70 Canada and went up
Il; saw Mr. Robsrts there, and spoke 70 him about
seven hundred meu crossing The border; be said he
knew nothing about II, and that IS likely any
thing To be untrue some further conversation took place
betwee u.s. moro Of friendly character than anything
else mot word there then, a other time, took
place betwesn us 70 tho action of the organization
hsvo attended public meetings called BY parties and "a
vertisements describing the organization; what those
meetings were Id0n't know am not Fenian myself;
meetings At the Cooper Institute; attended ono nix or
seven weeks ago, II may b. more OF less think the
defendant was ~ that meeting but cannot that ho
presided camo in probably in the middle Of the meet
ting; Mr. Roberts spoke that occasion, and heard
rev ~, words Of a.. speech can remember few words
speaking Of money previously would remain in hts
pocket; no contributions were made that occasion
that saw, ~ left before the meeting concluded;
cannot tell what the meeting called for.
9 Iask your opinioaS A.. Opinion is not evidence.
A l Al afp al m owl
knowledge that do not know what tho meeting was
called Tor.
what took place In your have you any doubt as
TO what IL WAS called fort
Commssioner-That question cannot be put. Tho
witness must state fasa Hc must state what he heard
sad. He cannot stste bis op MON or judgment
y You stated you nsw the possersf a ! cannot say
meetings months before that-ono . lecture by Colo
mel Roberts, sketch the reports 60 along and some
times do not roaA them / write them and good
deal that IwrIte IL not put In; remember Mr. Roberts
using the word Fenian In my Irish brogue would call
IL Fena~ thought Mr. Roberts used the word in that
way 70 humbug tho English; do not remember word
OF the lecture; any cents charged for admission;
do not know what the lecture was for think hr.
Roberta then began his lecture; they together at
that time; there was hea, disruption between
them the world hos heard Of tho disruption between
them
TESTIMONY OF Mr.. JOHN N. GALLAGHER.
Mr. John N. Gallagher sworn and exAmned-I have
been acting for ono week reporter tho NBw YoRK
HERALD, from my own knowledge don't know wha,
No TOO Broad way Isl have been there a. reporter to
get information ior Tho readers Of tho HsRAIn
Q Have you seen Colonel Roberts thereY
Mr. McKeOn said II the wilness had IN any way con-
tnbuted money to tho Fcnan movement or aided u 10
any way he should decline 70 answer the question
Wrness-I have q gentleman lnere who Was
shown 70 me ~ Mr.. Roberts; did not know him per-
who showed him to mo was a stranger had q CONVEX
5aton With him.
q VIVA. WAC your conversation with hms a. dc.
cline 70 that question: Of the reporters toll
mo am Fenian myself II might injure mo II pavo
answer to your questons swear that my answer 70
that question would tend 10 criminsio mo.
Q How our ago was that, A / have no. known Mr.
Roberts longer than week--nos moro than ten days
Q Was any In ormaton furnished 70 you by Colonel
Roberts on that occasion ~ TO the disposition OF money
and munitions Of wm or invasion anything 70 that
enocts No. siv not single thing; decline 70 staiA
thing was said 70 ms on that occasion BY Colonel
Roberts respecting the movements Of thu Fonan Bro
m % nS 70 s En sas
sion Of Canada; did NOT know from him THAI men had
boon sont by him - the head Of the Fsnian Brother
Q Did you know from him that mon had besa direct.
I'd 70 there that Of ransportaton bad boon
me snythlns pertinent 70 The subisc, a all
q Be kind enough 70 answer my question No,
Q That Is better ssass whA., n anything, no said %
you In regard 70 - invasion Of Canada any Of tho
occasions you hare sssn shsss
addsd oa tho ocessab on which visited Mr. Roosrts
- hsadquassers noshns vas gwen BY him 70 me for the
g :. % %
gcrtleman whom ! donr know; II in some
part Of the building on broadway, said 70 be
what name vas signed 70 t-whatevsr name copied;
cannot shsrs signed 70 it; there may
whoa appsarsd In psins ihcrs was Mans signed 70 il;
when aaW u In print the name W. r. Robsss' was
ssued 70 u; that document vas printed in the Nsw
YoRK HKRALD: saw that documene In my own manu-.
script; believe saw 10 other pspess, but am not
quite sars that did tWovd newspaper Of Juno pro-
Q Is that tho documen, you refer sos A cannot
looks the documentD Part Of Il may be some
Of what copied cannot swear that any Of Is is the
document copied was copied 1t very late hour Of tbs
Isl your recollection that that the purpors
q What you copied that mighty Question objected 10
y After reading The document, state nov IL IL con.
ans tho purpo or substance Of what you copied that
nisht'
VA not proved Mr. Roberts had ever signed such
document
wltnessI have stated that IL seemed TO mo the doeu
mont contained but part Of what copied that night;
am unable 70 swear 10 H. hsvo written . great deal
snce appears To me that the document contains but
part Of what | copied; cannot swear 20 Il; have
merely an impression on the subject
Mr. Courtney offered tho Document in evidence, but
the Court rsfsrd TO simt H. a. there vas not sufficient
The HsAlo of June was handed 70 witness by Mr.
Courtney, who pointed his sent on TO some documents
read them before they wore printed may have read
them In the editorial rooms % the HERALD, lid not
bring them 20 the oltce do / know Vi no did do
not remember having had other conversations with
Colonel Roberts ept those havo stated, DO NOT
know who appointed Brgsdier General James Ksrrssn
nor DO know the gentleman Al all; 0ksd Colonel
kobrrts " he had appointed Colonel kerrtgAn, and
be said he had not aud thst BE- knew nothing about
him bad further conversation with Tim about any
other officers that remember; Colonel Roberts neyer
told me, In any of these Interview how many men hsi
been Canada did he mention anything about
arr ~ or ANYTHING ~ that kind. L
asked him anything the snb}ssL
Mr. Dignsn called se stness, but did not
swsr.
rnarinOsf or r. n. GOODWIN.
Richard d. Good SIN vas examined-f have known
Mr. Roberts about sir eight months, have seen hun
1t sif Broadway 10 wss then rensn Hall and also Mo
kar Hall the last time saw him there a billiard
saloon tbe second noor shout tvo months gnos; ;
saw him playing billiards there aashteri about sir
eight months ago he pointed out TO tho Prer.
dent OF the rsnian Brotherhood crowds Of men
gons IN and oat there aud bringing Arms 10 and out.
cannot ssy how often say them thsrs Colonel Roberts
seemed Be busy about there not having anything to
do With The order myself dont know Of their Interior