New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1866-06-12


Tho same objection taken an discussion,
the Commissioner sustained the ob cton the ground that
O. Where Mr. Robertss p ace of business during 'ne
time Won were in New York;
Mr. McKeOD-Do you mean III business in tie DoNe''' "
"S M e9 C"nr,nev~I mean his FerIian business
MT McKeo1-- Then object
MIR Courtney-I put my que shon. - ,o . a.,
Howerv, decline to say whsher have met him elsewhere
on any business have been present a" pubic meetings "h'ie
The witness declined to answer further and the Court sus
o. Have You heard Roberts make speeches ontside
Of he circles within three mOnthsi A No, sr ddhti
don't think within six months 49,. - a.,
O. Have you heard Mr. Roberts say in substance OF eee'
that he INTENDED direct the Fenian organization to the na
Mr. McKeon objected on several grounds. ,,
The objections oveuled but the witness decned 10
ansv the question on the same ground o. Tho
MIR Courtney argued great length that the answer 10 hs
question could not tend eriminate the witness
Il was not in the owe o. bS must appear
10 the Court that would tend TO crimlnate MN lie ha
been violated and what the sympathy Of the public
or his own sympathy, with the cause Of Ireland ne
discharge his duty in all other lie must insist
that the Court compel the witness 70 answer t h Tso ;
Mr. McKeon read the law laid down 10 he Mason us
The Commissioner sustained The witness refusal
,r of the fenian organization IN this city, The witness de-
Have You ever heard any orders given by Mr. Roberts
with regard TO the organization of which he the head
| Wiiness-I cannot answer that SIR - .
be sent for the Fenan org anizationi A. never did
O. Did You know of any being sent for that pur
posef A. I decline TO answer.
Several similar questions put to all Of which the wit
ness answered that he declined answering as the answer
might form a link in eliminating himself -
8 Did Won ever hear what II any amount Of money Mr..
Roberts gave for the fitting expedition TO Canada or
against Great Britanf a. have not
Did you him that he had any money for the
PM poses Of fitting such expeditions
Mr. MoKeon-f object another ground the corpus dei
proven and yet they are attempting 10 prove comics
Commissioner Betts-The District Attorney take his
order o. proof and shall oVerrne that objection lie
Witness refusal shall sustain -
Witness-I know Mr. Sweeney have him and Roberts
together; decline where; saw them In New York;
think met the pavement IN New-fork lhaye
seen them hote decline TO answer further have met
Col Murphy several times; never saw MN IN consultation
with Col Murphy; l was in consultation with Col
Murphy President Roberts and Gen Sweeney with regard to
the inv aston Of Canada. a.,
Roberts from the called Fenian army Of invasion In Canada
A. have not.
2. Were you concerned in sending men to Canraf A.
refuse to answer for the same reason.
@ you been instructed by any that you need not
answer any questions A Nc, Sir by no living man.
Mir Couftney-lIe IS your witness.
Mr. MeKeon-You have proved nothing have nothing to
Patrick Cud was then swOrn-I know Mr.; r. Robertsi
have read that be was President OF the tcnan
weeks rode in wagon with him about two weeks ago.
have no recollection what passed In that wagon.
MFR McReon-I should like to caution the witness that he
not bound questions 10 eTlmlnate himself II
he has contributed money or in any way aided this he
as guilty as any else whether he in the fenian Order
Waess-I met MI Roberts private business; can't
collect via be said II ANYTHING az TO Fenan matters
not Fenian; rode with Fifty third-st.; think was
/ Knew n w anybody except Mr. Roberts.
q informed then and there what he was doing In
reference to an invasion OF CaDada A have no recooeton
he Nigh, have .,,.., ,,a.,, 80. him. 10 h.a M
cause 20 tell me as was not member Of the order.
! u want an answer my question: A. He did.
d What purport substance Off A. don't re-
What was the purport Of that conversation A. 1t might
NOT have been in the Office but on the way home.
Question repeated A. Wen suppose u was Fenianism
a Xour Is A.
Mir McKeon-I have Just found out how this list Of wit.
ne,ses was procured II that the Marshal inquired
what parties Roberts desired see and these
those this list shall advise the Fenans not TO mention
Wness-I don't think he said he had sent to Canada
o Did he say men had been Canada A. lie might
have; read it myself; think he did say men had been
sent.
O. For what purposei A. don't recolect that he said
anything about IT don't recolec his telling me that he had
sent Canada
O What your best recollection on that subject A. My
O. DO you recoIect the day which Mr. Roberts
Mr. McKeon-Do you mean the first arrest. when he
let 90 paroe the second when he placed In
Mr. Courtnsy-I mean the arrest A. do; at the
headquarters the evening before usually drop TO see HIM
had business that evening than 10 ride home;
might have had some talk with him about Fenansm that
q DO you recOllec what said about Fenianism that
time g. have no recollection.
Q Did he tell you what it was doing or going 10 do in
gard to Canada A have no recollection; talked with
Mr.. Roberts about another business.
o Was not your purpose in visiting him. find out what
was doing IN Canada, A. II was not.
Was not part Of your purpose A. had business OF
q Had you double purpose A. I might have had
Q Did be did he say how many he had in Can.
o Did you ever any public meetings Of this organ.
i,aion A Yes. at the Cooper Institutes believe was
O. What did Mr.. Roberts say A. don't remember one
Mr MoKeon-I the United States Government had been
10 earnest believe would like the British Government
donT know that Mr. Roberts would have played the same
trick OConnel lie the reporter every facility and
The this is repeated shall have the
o. Do You know Col Murphy A. lido.
u do YOU know Gen. Sweenyi
Mir McKeon object TO this OF trying the case
Here have been two hours nurng and have not had
particle evidence The District Attorney has not
tured put the wreiched inorme Wshsr on the stand.
cali for bis production The District Attorney has right TO
shield him IN this way Can Auditor Yes let usee him This
ton held by my opponent did commence such
until bad tho evidence In baud This case is
persecution and protest against this method Of proceeding
MI Courtney argued that IN TINS case no course was e to
the Government but bring the associates the coaduior
tanned nothing far the studious efforts part of
counsel and witnesses anything from appearing
Roberts, then the case would have 10 be abandoned.
Mr. hcke9n wished 20 know Il the Attorney could
The Commissioner said that object OF the District.
witaess oontnGed-Ihsve never seen Col Murph, at head
quarters tha IS 10 ne best OF my recollection Since last
Wednesday have had several interviews with Col Roberts
/ I was with bin when be arrested
LCole teslihed-l am publisher refuse to answer what
publish refuse to answer whether have Col Roberts
at the fenan headquarters Broadway do not know whe
then have Col Roberts write; Lad an interview with
tie COlone dy or Two since and also weeks before his
arrest have never had conversation with the Colonel In
reference making preparations with the Of
OF Cabads refuse 10 answer whether saw conmunica
on Col Roberts the sh Of June; saw a proca
nation that day which purported have come from him
know Col. Marphy-yes know four or Eve Col Mnrpbys
aughteTl do not know by whom Col Murphy sent to
canada; DO not know by whom any the men seat 10
Canada were