New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1866-03-02
eMAusEs OF COMMERCE..
Election OF Debate che Pier
and Warehouse Bill.

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present. In the absence Of Mr.. John A Stevens Sec
retlry. the minutes were read by Mr George Wilson.
Clerk OF tho Chamber. and approved
ELECTION OF MINBERs
The following gentlemen were elected members o.
the Chamber
Alex Delmar. H. l. Parnelc y s Moore r r
Gocdridge, y. W. :. Catlin. j. a. DreyfOus. Alex
Foreman.
GENEGAL AVERAGES.
The Committee oil General Average made report
recommending legislation by the British Parliament
and the United States Congress TO further an arrange
nent by which the general average o. me Two NATIONS
shall he ideutcoi. The report was adopted
DEBATE ON TIE DOChS, PIERS, WHARNEs, &C.
Mr.. GTDRGE W. BLUM moved that the vote striking
ont portion of the report OF the Committee Oh Piers
and Wharvcs be recOusdered.
Mr. CONKTISG moved that the motion b. laid the
table but subseq ucntiy Withdrew his objection.
Nj. BLUNT then asked the Acting Secretary. Mr.
WILSON. 20 read the authorities on wElch were based
the opinions OF the Committee as expressed IN the re-
Mr wr-os then read from Barbour. wendcrs and
otncr reports relative to the rparial rights. sc.
Mr.. BLUNT-Ihe point raised by MI. Opiy he was IN
reference 10 the ownership Of the soil.
Mr.. OPpYKF-l moved to strike all ont
Mr. BLUST-The corporation have no control over
the docks. piers. vharyes. &C., except TO keep them
clean and III proper state Of repair. The hhrnOf
masters have entire control over the water ana Tue
city cannot assign any pier for any extensive uipn'e
whatever. except 10y gong to the Legi'atufe lhe
legal questions are all clear.
Nh OPpYKf-Ihe Chairman OF tue COMMITTEE na,
not think clearly understood NE. The COMMITTEE
We're not authorized to take any CognlanCe OF tine con
trol of the piers wharves. sc. 1bey were ryted by
the Commissioners Of the Sinking Fund to consider me
question OF erecting lTon piers. III my opinion the
whole subject that was before the COuhltoc Is Involved
Ia single passage. Which 1 VIII Ltau anu 'hs 'heii
judgment upon 1t:
hs conclusion th. Committee the Lomn, onsr Of tue
sinking Fund conquered that pier AID slips on,i 20 be-
granted 10 the Pier und Warehouse Company TO test their
System provided sai Company woud pay fair compensation
forf Tie
Of the rental said premises would command 81 puo"'
auction"
But the majority uf ihe Committee went to bring
IN report as 10 the owuershpthat the property was
vested in the State and not In the city or ~ private m
hese rights have BEEN held by Tie city and the city has
derived al the revenues and moneys secTulug from
them never denied. and do NOT nov deny That the
corporation exercised the night ~ control PfiVale
owners have not got sufficient compensation to enable
them 10 hnild good piers II wOulc never do Tor tins
Chamber ~ send forth such report, and therefore
hope that the consideration will not he rrunied
Mr. BLtHT-Lct me say one word ~ reference 10
having exceeded our power. Al wanted To say j.
that The state had n night 20 interfere .
Mr. RuGGLK,--li understand tins question right II
is one OF great magnitude II Is one ihat move tn
question Of the right 10 all the lana under
10 the state. hope nothing will be- done hastily IN
tie matter We ought 10 gravev consiu'f the matter
and get the best legal advice. We have no nght 10
tanner with the vast amount Of private property IN
VOWED The idea OF taking man private properly To
convert II TO the uses OF a private company i some
thfnr Which prepared 10 ave my hlIfOfhl
Mr. BfrNI-Perhaps nav he allowed TO say another
word Nv participation in ths matter was brought
about in this way Recorder H0fmhn sent me the ON,
70 nesting nv opinion IL and after ms election a.,
Navor he asked me To make the proposition which i
e 70 made TO this Chamber. have no interest IN THIS
matter and never read the Bill through except tuit
portion Of 1t which says that the Corporation NAV
assign piers.
III. +. A CoSKI NC-Can We not postpone this sub.
,.rt 10 = future meeting ! read this report with
great deal OF surprise aud asa hoi sulpo,e .na, ~ \
blow AZ her interests. ! have READ over ips Or,'
which the gentleman Mr.. BlunD has presented and
can ,ay after having carefully examined two OF three
of those cases three four years ago N relation to the
Wsslington Market grant il ~ ms belief refer nov
IN the CASE NJ the Hudson River Rairond-thai Tie SUB
anre Of that decision j. correctly stated In this
paper This doctrine OF EelarAl LigAls l. inc
Mr. BIGsI-Do understand tbe gentleman TO say
that the passage is incorrectly quoted
Mr COsKLISG-i do say 80.
Quoted aud think that is very improper statement
FOR the gentleman 10 make.
Mr. Low called for order
Mr. CnsKIISG-I again repeat that II j. incorrectly
guolec but in any case II never covered the ground
which tie gentleman IN this case Hants 1t to cover ms
doctrine is very sh,dowy one Pothier says that the
rrht extends usgrs % ann ape to TIE very thread
of The stream The hour n far advanced aud shall
NOT detain the Chamber longer but content myself i'll
voting against the reconsideration
Mr. Low would Ike TO say that ~ tins bill vhch
Gives rise 10 this report granting certain privileges to
this Warehouse Company. the name o The PRESIDENT OF
this Chamber appears AS one OF me oorporn'orr "
was inserted In The bill entirely without my consent
and have never had any connection with the Com
NAM and took the earliest opportunity could 10 re-.
sg, nv position in IL. / have no Interest whatever
The CHAIRMAN then put the question Of reconsider.
Themotion wac lost
MIR BLUNT moved the adoption Of the report. omit
ting the portions already stricken out
Mr. OfDYKE-WheD made the motion to strike OUT
this portion of the report at the special meeting did
II very hastily not having had time to examine the COZ
recti0ns of the PORTIONS OF the report very carefully
To make II complete. move that the remaining
paragraphs on page Is be stricken out Carried.
Tho report was then adopted.
which was adopted
R,,orsd That the Chamber o. Commerce Of The State Of
NewYors apgoyn. the report made by then Committee
hereby sTaint authorizing any private pany
10 private property Tor IT, use without he consent o. the
owners. -
Pending the adoption OF the resolution. Hr. TouCrY
said. would Ike the mover ~ that resolution to give
ms the grounds OF his belief that point This Cham
Der before adopting sueh resolution. should know
whether these warehouses may not be cassed as public
Institutions the same ierf! houses, railways, &c.
Mr. RUG0IIs-1beTe was d report IN INT INV
YORK TRIBUNE that bill comforting these rights was
bending before the Legislature.
Mr. =. NJ WHKriOHE--lt II the intention OF the
members OF the Legislature 10 empower this private
company take the property OF private individuals
withont the consent Of the owners. on the same
principle that railroad companies can so do do
not doubt that this enterprise If good one
But 10 saw that they can take your Mr. LOvs) iron
over on the EAst River without your consent and say
we want this for public purposes and will pay you for
H. is a wrong and dangerous principle. IL Is princ
Die carried far that II is not sale to walk the streets
of New. York 4 few moments ago saw the cOnVerP-
ence OF thirteen railroad tracks at one point rendering
II perious fOr foot passenger to attempt 20 cross
there. 80
Mr.. OppYkE-If the Legislature Of the State become
fIa faa AT flk "a
r, ATE rights then may have very great reason 10
aunr.hend that private rights will be sacrificed when