New-York daily tribune., 1865-10-14

n INTERESTING INTERVIEW
"a, Sorth Carolina Delegation Call
On the President.
,,,nstange Of Views on the Pardon
ing Power.
Tgy CASE OF MRS, JEFF DAVIS.
Al, noes not Ezhihit the Proper
Spirit.
Condition Of the Freedmen
The Presidents Highest Ann.
biti0n.


,,.d South Carolina this afternoon lad az interview
,,.,,.irtpcrt with President johnson. They were
,',.rtaned by W. H. Trescott esq, wlo is here on
,sipsss as Executive agent u that State.
The President after the customary pIe'iminaIes OF
,estiion invited them to be seated when at once the
,r,enation commenced by Judge Wardlow informing
k thft thew were delegation from the state Conven
tenet South Carolina, sent hilner 10 present certain
memorials Of that body These memorials had been very
erehly considered in The Convention, and he beheved
.t tod exactly the truth The President inquired the
,lsetof the memorials. judge WarGiow Informed
hin tlGf one Oftbem IN heuali OF Jefferson Davis,
H. Stephens George 4. Itcntoim and Gov.
Ragraih. BE said they had understood that by the
e Interference OF the PGcSucnt Messrs. stephens and
Trenholm had already been released nom close con
fpement and permitted 20 return 10 Their homes. He
voud ash for Gov. AGgrath either pardon or tlat he
might be released on his parole. They could assure
fhe President 10 harm would resnit iUm such an act
The President replied that all could not be pardoned
af once The business must be proceeded with gradu
ay ana an effort made 90 execute the law. dscrlm
iBsiiOn necessary as We went along Ii was too
common expression, by way % argument IL regard to
temepcy that such one had been pardoned and that
he Just as bad as another who had lot been par
dtBed.
Judge wardlow replied thst the delegation presented
d sGeh argument that
The President said sometimes the peculiar locality
Dad much 10 do with psrdOIs. Like many other things
Gbuman affairs we cannot have q fixed rule. Much
nCS discretion an0 circumstances. II We KNOW
ttselyes want 70 do what IS best and just and 10
SLOW proper degree Of humanity OF the part Of the
Government
ledge Wardlow remarked that thew had moi come
hitherto express their hopes and desires but as
JtegGps rom the South Carolina Convention 20 IRE.
tert tf memorials OF that body IN formal manner.
ne1Iesident-We will. gentlemen, extend all the
facilities and courtesies which The. questions require
WsVoad prefer TO pardon twenty men than TO refuse
Jpdee Wsrdow replied that they did not design TO
thar
dan that they believed much good would result by the
exercise OF the Executive clemency toward him
Col Hawkins said: II we can get Gov. Magrath
Isrosd il would be great relief 10 him al the present
Judge wardow thanked the President FOR having
released Messrs. stephens and Trenholm.
The Presdent-We have thus far, then, anticipated
yoTr memorial
Mr. Hgger said NJ Trenholm was one Of their most
useful met, and there was no DOUBT he wonld exert all
his power with a view 10 entire harmony between the
State and TIE Government
The President replied that he understood that
90 adding II treason was committed, there ought TO
A some test 70 determine the power OF the Government
pansh the crime. He was tree 10 say that u was
Dol mere contest between political parties or cues.
hOB a. 10 De Jaeio governments.
Looking az the Government do the laws yiO.
Ried and an attempt made al the life Of the nation,
there should be yindcstion OF the Government and
lbe Constitution, even if the pardonlng power were
Iercised thereafter. II treason has been committed
ought to be determined by the highest tribunal and
The fact declared even If clemency should come aiter
ssrd There was malice or prejudice IN carrying
eu; that duty.
judge wsrdIow remarked they were well aware Of
hat.
nePresident resuming said there may be some un.
Lnd eene on this subject bat II did not eAst TO any
great extent.
Judge Wardlow said although not instructed by the
Convention be was induced 10 ask whether Mrs JET.
knOn Davis who was now confined 70 Georgia could
to cross INTO South Caroline to see her friends.
The President replied that be had received letters
fon Mrs. DAVIS but they were not very cOmmendabe.
The tone Of one Of them. however was considerably
Improved bn the others not Of the character be-
eming one asking eDlency.
Judge Wardlow interpOsed by saying she was
sonen OF strong feeling.
The Prsident-Nes; suppose she is a woman Of
ufOng feeling and temper but there is intention 10
prosecute her. There is as much magnsnmity and
independence, and nODleneSs OF spirit in submitting
In trying to set the Government at defiance. True
msgnanmty takes things as they are, and when taken
an the proper way discOnnect them from humiliation.
Aahiies,stons OF temper and defiance do no good.
Judge Wadl0w remarked that the tone Of the news.
papers w6s favorable and different from what II
Mas. lie thenasged II the President bad seen copy
% lhe amended Constitution OF south Carolina. Or
'oufse be had seen We accept emancipation. DE felt
perfectly sanled that the person and property OF the
iegro VII be protected and spoke Of the great diff
eltes o. regulating labor and restraining yagrancy
M Hneer remarked that they had deep conscious
tess ofthe ruth Of all the President said
Ihe PftfidtBt fesumng observed that the character
" AZ lhdifnaal may characterize nation. which IS
q
proper spirit Is manifested all can, act haruiODOnsly
aVmso VINO goes 20 the stake Is almost digDihed by
u.s eragi II Afs him above humiliation. In these
80 semtnen. We VIII do tie best We can. While
. 10. ymlalhy. there II public judgment which
,i s Oe me But assure you gentlemen no GispOsi.
"sT ,iss n D' persecution. or thifst for blood.
i,IIsAlent thought many Of theN evils would dis
~ ~Rl lie! inaugur1ted the night system Pass laws
iyecuns So eOlored man in his persop and property
NV a as can collect BIS debts He knew how Il was in
tipg .e 4 le question when first presented Of put
,aTS S'te nan in Tie witness stand. made them
y mon ssH shoulders But the cOOled mans tesu.
Ut h, V,hNs Ns 70 b. taken Tor what IL WAS worth
les, 'Te -, sso examined him. and the fury who
u dang" AHsr au there was not 50 much
ont :, S vas supposed. Those cGWing
cam. u slavery cannot DO without work; rbcy
enSS, !" aoNn in dissipation: they must work; t1cy
rls6, q, ~ understand That liberty means simply ths
III az WA ah0 ENJOY the products OF labor and that
II ec,,s ~ :. potc them. That being done and when
II s,srva ~. ue period 10 feel that men must work Or
II ceive o country will be prepared 10 rr-
1 baei-nreTT!ssI% applicable 10 both white and
Ibs cstb ''te1sd 10 receive system necessary 10
Nsgrsr, a snoIt line back yOu could not cufOrce the
BAL s. % "a" ~ he black, bat could on the white man
alike ia, psDnc mind right and you treat both
tails and consc sc tne general principles. and tie de-
III % SUI eolaiersh viii follow
Pre,,5ers,' Of length ensued between the
3te leyis, -; vsuge Naid0w and Mr.. 1TescOtt 10
" me state necessary IN reference 10 the
ors,A IoA 0 the Freedmen aud 10 ibe scone and cons.
a. from - sne rcuaT No. - and General Orders 80.
oalsnjora"es Ase'oniGeneraFs Department. relative
tn Satss - aAos in >oaih Carolina and other South
centoo1 -,e e1tmrstiOu OF these objects 10 j. un-
TIs -, D., = % pe continued at another interview.
pto srr,o, s'od-We must be practical and come
Jps..u '.s.uJ0oHuqiag circumstancef
Pressed s," Col, Hawkins aud Mr.. Huger an rx
iao ~ President their conviction that the state
Aad been ID good faih The result Of The issue which
lad sod Iuei uN the people felt that the President
@the oesueen tlem and harsh Of the power
b. that they ielt entire coIideuee in
N stita ttes lhd actions. and hoped IN return, TO
atd setious u'S N''4'Aoe "N ' li'" 'eehhfs
a '''0'0 IeTli'J, he VIA glsd 70 leD il, that