New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1865-06-26
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WASHINGTON. Saturday. June "a lsC5.
A delegation from South Carolina consisting
Of the following named persons had. late this after
noon an iDierv ew by appointment with the President:
Judge Frost, Isaac z. Holmes, George w. Williams.
W. H. Giiett j. A. Sternmeycr, Frederick Richards,
William whaley, James ii. Taylor r. II. Gill and
Joseph A. Ya.es.
The President ssd IL his intention to talk plainly,
20 that there might be misunderstanding. There
ore ii were better they should look each other fun in
the face and not initiate the ancient augurers who,
when they net another could suile at their snc-
cess In deceying the people. He said that If this Union
20 be preserved II nlet be on the principe OF VA
terniiy both the NOItern and Southern States main
tanning certain relations To the Government State
cannot GO of the UriOn, and. therefore, none Of
them having gone cut We must deal with the question
OF restoration and no. reconstruction. lie suspected
that he was better States Rights nan than some OF
those now present.
Mr.. HolDes-You always so claimed to be. Laugh
The President replied that he always thought that
Slavery could not rs sustained ontsde OF the Constu
ton Of the United States, aud that when the expert
neDt was made il would DO .os hether 1t could OF
could not he for the Union and Slavery set Itself
up 10 control the Government. the Government must
triumph and Slavery perish The institution of Slavery
made the issue and might 0s well meet II IKE wise
and patriotic and honest men. All institutions must be
eubm tilted TO the Government and Slavery has gwen
Vsy He could not he would remand 1t To lts former
status, He knew that some whom be row addressed
sd hin great peoples man ana a rhuchl
But however unpleasant ii might be to them he had 10
hesitation in saying that before ana after he entered
public life he opposed to moopoies and perPelutes
ana entails. For This he used to be denounced as
demagocue We had monopoly south in slaves
Though lie had bought and held slaves he had never
sod one From NagDa Charts had derived our
ideas OF freedom of speech, liberty of the press,
and unreasonable searches, and thst prvate property
should not be taken for public uses without
iust CONDENSATION. He had these notions h1ed
In his mind and therefore opposed 70 class legisa
ton Being provdenaily brought 10 his pre,eni con.
dtion he intended 10 exert the power and influence oil
the Government as to place Ia power the population
OF This nston He proceeded the principle that the
great masses are not tue mushrooms about stump
which wet weather supplies he believed tha' ths na
tion was sent great mlsson to afford an example
OF freedom and substantial happiness to ell the powers
of the earth The Constitution Of the United States In
speakinp Of persons be chosen Representatives, In
Congress says that the electors IN each state sba nave
the quaeai requisite for electors OF the most nu
uerous branch of the State Legislature Here We ma
resting place This the pOt0t at which The Re
belion corpmcnced-a the States were III the mon,
moving in harmony-but portion OF these reoelled
and extent, suspebded and parayzed inc ope
rntons OF their Governments There Is CONSTITUTIONAL
obligation resting upon the United States Government
"a put down Rebellion suppress insurrecuop, ana 10
repel Invasion. The slaves went into the war a.
slaves, and came ont Tree men Oi coior Inc
friction of the Rebellion has rubbed ont the ma
ture and character OF slavery The loyal men whp we're
compelled to bow and submit TO the Rebellion should
now that the Rebellion IL ended. stand equal TO loyal
men everywhere. Hence the wish OF restoration and
the trying get back the States to the point at which
they formerly moved 10 perfect harmony. He did not
intend to serve any particular clique or interest lie
would say the delegation that Slavery was gone as
an institution There no hope that the people OF
Souh Carolina could be admitted into the Senate or the
House OF Representatives until they had Afforded EVIL
dence by their conduct Of this truth The policy now
that the Rebellion il suppressed is not TO restore the
State Governments through military rule. but by the
people While the Las emancipased slaves. 1t has
emaucpated larger number OF white men, he would
talk pla m AZ the delegation had said that was what
thew desired. He could go 10 men who had owned 10
or 100 slaves and who did not care a. much Tor the
moor white man az they did for the negro. Those who
own the land have the capital TO employ help and there
fore some of our Northern friends are deceived when
they living sfar off, think they can exercise greater
have been reared where the institution OF slavery mas
prevailed. o,....o,,o,. a. .o,,vo,
the negro voters against white men. Let each State
Judge Of the deposaIy Of its own political power Ne
was for emancipation. He was for emancpatins the
white well as the BLACK. .,..-
hli.hcdi ''''''' ''N' si,.,
Tn. President replied that he Gid not think the CUES
lion fully settled The question TO whether the b.ck
Gan shall he Migrated In the Constitution WI Dc seteu
60 along. He would not disguise the fact that
while he had been persecutsd and denounced at the
South q traitor he loved the great mass o. the
Southern people He opposed the Rebellion at It's break
ing out and fought everywhere. and now wanted the
principles Of the Government carried out ana NAM
Mr. Holmes interrupted by saying we want to get
back 10 the same position you describe a. We are
without law courts are open you have the power
10 assist US.
The President replied THAT the Government cannot
90 unless Is based on right The people Of South
Carolina must have convention and amend their CON
snton by sbolishug Slavery. and this must be done
In good faith. and the convention Legislature must
adopt the proposed amendment TO the Constitution Of
the United States which prohibits and excludes Slavery
everywhere.
One of the delegates said most anxiou. for
civil rule for VIC have had more than enough Of mill.
ssry despotism
The President resuining said that ~ the Executive
Ae could only take the nst0ry steps enable them TO
DO the things which II was incumbent upon them TO
perform.
Another Of the delegates remarked that Il was a..
vumed In somc parts Of this country that. In conse
spepce OF the Rebellion the Southern States had for.
ited their rights NJ members Of the Conederscy. and
that restored could only be on certain conditions
one Of which was that Slavery shall be abolished This
could be done only through convention
ne President replied That the friction nS tbs pshAa