The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1865-11-20


men es,Drd to the station by large crowd of peo
pie, who enthusiastically cheered them as they left
portion of TIL are armed with the splendid Enfield
| rifles issued % the Civil Service corps.
| Warlilxs Demonstration or President
O'MahDny Against the Chcvalicr Ray
| THE lRTIcM THAT CAUSED THE TROUBLE.
HUNDREDS and probably thousands OF poor, honest,
unsuspecthg Irish, living in the unsophsticaed
tons of ms country, have been cajoed into making
remtancs to the managers of the Order here and else
where-n,t one titis of which, they may depend upon
/ 1t, are ucd for any ather purpose than maintaining
| set of Iamps IN idlensss Stories come to Of
stories are DOUBTLESS intendes to show that the contrb
tons received actually Expended for some royoIu
tonary end Even If an honest are of the funds were
sent To Iread, the result would ppsrently be merely
/ to send n Eew more iadvised yong people to Jail
But We 10 no, believe that the mon'y is used for any
other plp0sc nan getting notoicty patcrt
boots of a set dlers in this country. lis really time
that those whoare in position 10 advise r,e unsophis
tcated people the rural districts the zeal nature
OF the fenlan synde, should do IL is crime 10
bolster up aae cdacern even as joke The clergy on
whose y-nsratons the Irish Americans chiefly de1end
e.sry one who wshcs~el TO Ireland and her n.an,e
Should lend hand in Iposne what is .aa isopo
nninitigated imposare.-Iisss Editorial Nor ii isSa
MIR. KILLIAN TO I'M p.vyoSn
Mr.. klian presents his c0mpln ats IN NJ povmooa
and asks ON behalf OF Colonel JoE ouahonw' -;
dent Of the Fenian organization, rsrac,an Tan NJ
raymond or all statements Of persons char.c,ar 90
bodied in an article entitled 'he Fcnia s"
published in tO-days' Tines. 'r',
Mr.. Kllian viii call on Mr. Raymond at >,e,u
with view OF furthering his object. ~
NEW York, Nov. IA, 1856.
Mr.. RAYMOND's REPLY
The editor Of the Tinsss acknowledges the receipt
Mr. kiians note. He begs 10 say in reply that the
article referred to embodies merely expression OF
opinion concerning organization OF persons, he
no ground for ether demanding making "retrac-
ton except upon the submission of such facts shall
lead TO a change OF such opinion.
The editor Of the Times will be very happy receive
consider and f desred to publish any such facts which
Mr.. X. or any one else may wish 10 submit TO HIM
TINES OFFICE, Nov. IA, 1865.
MR. KlLLIAS TO MR.. RAYMOND.
NEW YogK NOV. Is. 1865
Mr. Kian has received and read Mr. Ray mond's reply
TO Mr. Mahonys application for etracton of estate
mcnts OF personal character, embodied in the Fenian
Imposture' article of yesterday Times Mr. Klmn
agree with Mr.. Raymond that those statements
are merely an expression OF opinion concerning
organization of persons, II they were, could he
regard them otherwise than bclous grossly offensive
and richly deserving OF rebuke from oil such "ofgan
lied persons He sees In them tho other hand,
plain and palpabc attempt 10 "individuaze' the
responsibility OF the FeDian 1mposturen Mr.. Ray
mond y pleased to term ito charge the managers Of
the Order here and elsewhere with completely In and
the management or " swiGdlc'-in brief 70 stigma
the them as dangerous citizens and dsreputsbte men,
preyng on the creduity OF their fellow counryme
The official ''rnanagers OF the Order being just at
present, three executive officers, resident in New
York there is nc difficulty In making the application
personal TO thcm-the difficulty indeed to consist
in presuming the expression OF opinion could have
had any other meaning. To Mr.. Raymond from
further embarrass this head, he is respectfully
informed that the three managers" whose names l
"indivdua or collective light, but that each and
every Of them consider Mr. Ohahony's demand for a
reractionn individually and colec, ely proper lust
and TT to be insisted on.
Mr. Kisn canno. restrain his expression Of astonish
ment at Mr.. Raymond's aluson to ''such submission
OF facts as shall lead TO change OF opinion in MT Ray
mond Hc considers such a proposition, made under
such circumstances, an aggrayaon of the original insult
and the very acme OF impertnence in itself Libels
starting from ignorance have warrant apology
the very right Of criticism depends superior know
ledge OF the subject matter criticised 80 far from sub-
10 nj oxar
coming his defective information, Mr. Killian has the
honor 70 renew the demand for a 'retracton,n not
merely from Of justice 10 the managers OF the
.Fenian mposurc,n but with well assured belief that
the wise liberty Of public criticism, the dignity and
fitness of the press the sacred riches OF private eput
tion the more alurng rewards Of public ambition,
all deeply concerned In any effort TO guard press
from rcckessncss and our politics from inciysm Should
MT Raymond fail TO sec the urgency OF the reraction
asked for, he is requested To name gentleman
with whom Mr.. O'Aahony aud Mr. Killian might ENJOY
more satisfactory acquaintance.
b. DORIAN KILLIAN.
MR.. RAyMoND's REPLY.
MT. Raymond received Mr.. Il. Doran Killan's note,
dated the 18Th, late last evening Unless lie misunder-
stand is closing paragraph Mr. Kian presents TO Mr.
Raymond the alternative Of either making the rctrac
ton which Mr. KIian demanded AS ON behalf Of Mr..
OMahony and himself Of considering himself ny tied
TO hostile meeting with both Of those gentlemen
Mr Raymond Is unwilling take any on the sub
ect until more fully assured Of the meaning of Mr. XII.
ans and the unusual phraseoogy which Mr. Killan
has seen 1T to adopt must DO hs for requesting
him 70 inform him watcher he has or has CORE, ty
l'ndcrstood him.
MR.. zILLrAN TO MR.. RAYMOND
: % EAST SEVENTEENTH STREET, USrns Sorapr
Mr. r.. Nav York, Nov 10, 1865.
IN iersoan regrets that he has not made himself fully
ass ,re M by Mr.. Raymond H. certainly sought 10
was rcauir bat rcraction, ample a. the oiense
O ns'.nv au, ana that, failing to receive IT, Mr.
ing fun anu h'insclf would feel justified in insur.
cognized as.einent by any course Of action re.
Is not Mr. O'Mahuny'ate under like aggravaton n
Judge Mr. Raymonds moWr Rilan's intention 10 pre.
OF s'mcanlng They reprobaasking for this statement
can editor would seek to shield groJiea that an Amerl
grosser quibhle ", howevcr due 10 many behind a
The question OF juscc In this can never bad that
in Police court, osing 70 any predetermnaton ~ Tod
/ part Of Mr. oMah,ny or Mr. kiliian w W.
NH RAYAoND's REPLY.
/ Nkw YoRK, Nov IL Isa5
/ Mr.. Raymond iec1nes - comply with the p,enacirc
demand for 'stfaction, " which Mr. KilIian a ~
half OF himself hd Mr. 0hlhony has seen Ind Ia maj
l upon him.
,IrApSRrERs FEyrAs BROTHERHOOD,
l - NEW YORK, Nov IL 1865 /
The undersigned repesanting the organization as,iod
by the editor Of he Tees bcgs leave 10 nIaca ~ e
going correspondence The hands or he nnbli Ay III
only comment ON It's, Ut person who viii neither
sa. sYS ~, ne - NOT posse himself in position 70 be
| or the instincts OF gontlen J0Uy o;MSHo,,v lnaN
e'N Presden' Oh Fenian oulerhood.
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