The Norfolk post. [volume] (Norfolk, Va.) 1865-1866, 1865-07-12
The President and Charles Sumner.

The following Is related by the cores
pendent of the Cincinnati Enquirer. II
it be true, then is the split between the
President and the leader of the radical
faction complete. Nothing, not even
Spaulding's glue or Thingimbug's stick
ing plaster can bring the parts together.
The result will be, that in the next Con-
gress, Mr.. Seward, who is the acknowl-
edged leader of the Senate, will do all
he can to thwart the policy of Andrew
Johnson, and keep out the Southern
States, as he did lastyear to negative the
good intentions Of Mr.. Lincoln when he
was the means of preventing Louisiana,
Arkansas and Tennessee from being re-
presented. We are on the eve of great
events. The following is the gossip Of
the Inquirer: t'i ss-t Hsst
"A friend assures us that few weeks
since an interview took place between
President johnson and Senator Sum-
ner, which was substantially as follows:
Good evening, Mr.. President" said
Senator Sumner, last week upon enter
ing the Presidents room in the White
House. l5.5i. sf5st I'd w
"Good evening, Mr.. Senator replied
the President. Please be seated for q
moment, until I finish letter to an old
friend.n 4,l etls fIs=gl.4,.Fs r,i.3i.a..f
! The letter being finished, the Presi-
dent turned to Mr.. Sumner, when the
latter said: M G4a s+fff fkga IN.
ID" Mr.. President, I have called upon
you for the purpose of expressing to you
the views of our people on the subject OF
reconstruction" .7iul
"Well, sir,n replied the President. a
Mr.. Summer commenced by saying:
" Sir, your North Carolina procama-
ton does not meet the appreciation Of
the people, and they will not submit to
have the great results of the war thus
thrown away" iaa .agsL sai
"What people are you representing,
sir ?n asked Mr.. johnson. gH4i.i-
"The whole Northern people," said
Mr.. Sumner. &iuI il H. -353iHl1
81 apprehend you will find you but
small portion of the
Northern people," replied Mr.. johnson.
"Then,p said Sumner, 1--WE must take
your North Carolina proclamation as an
Indication of your policy, must we?"
Eyes, sir" replied the President.
nThen, sir" said Sumner, eyou do not
intend to enfranchise the black man ~
II have nothing to do with the sub
iect; that exclusively belongs to the
States You certainly would think it
an usurpation on my part if 1 attempted
10 interfere in fixing the qualifications
Of electors in Massachusetts," 10 II
"But,n replied Sumner, "Massachu-
,etts has always been loyal State"
"That may be, "replied the President,
tbl1t the loyal men of the South have
made untold sacrifices for their Union
sentiments, while Massachusetts, has |
made hundreds of millions out of her
ovalty. and it would be poor return |
ar southern adherence to the govern
nent, if the latter should, in violation
4 the Constitution, thrust upon them
ocal laws in opposition to their wishes"
At this reply of the President, M.
summer became impatient and irritable,
nd reioined by saying, /" am sorry 70
az YOU eyincing SO little sympathy with
bat element that placed you in power"
At this. the color flashed to the Presi-
ent,s face, and he added, emphatically,
Won and I might as well understand
ach other now asany other time. You
re aware, sir, I have no respect for
but as much as I despise
hem. / still have q greater detestatlon
nd contempt for a fanatic" gWoiesllH,
aGood evening" said Summer, and
Eft in q huff. .iaittE eHt 't9l p -