Cleveland daily leader. [volume] ([Cleveland, Ohio]) 1865-1873, 1865-12-12
TEsTIMoxr oF MR. cARR.

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ORR Carr eaIled-Live in Cleveland. l
was at Bedford when Miss Parsons was shot.
Met DR.. Hughes when he and Russell came
10 my carriage on Bank street, between nine
and ten P. NJ, the night before Tamzen was
shot. They called me q Bug" a nickname.
Russell Introduced me TO Hughes, and he
asked me what I'd charge to 60 to Bedford.
l told him ten dollars. Russell has a sa-
loon under Hughes old Office, in the same
block, on Ontario, between Prospect and
High street, on the west side of the street.
| drove to Russell's saloon, left my team on
the opposite side of the street, and went over
10 Hughes office 10 see If be was ready;
then they got into the carriage and l drove
TO several houses to get some women TO 90
with them, but did not succeed. Then
Hughes said to Russell that he knew where
to go, and ordered me to drive out Kinsman
street Went TO N~ewburgh and stoned at
the hotel, and got a glass of beer. We drove
on, Hughes directing the road, about a mile
and a half, when Hughes got out, and said
he didn't know whether It wal best to 90 on
to Bedford or stop at the place he had men
toned, as they had no grain for the horses
there. Took some liquor from a flask
Hughes had then we drove to Bedford,
nothing more being said on the road; stopped
atthe FranklinHouse and put the team in the
barn. Hughes said they wanted to get up
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got up at six o'clock, but didn't see Hughes
or Russell, but they came down about seven
o'clock, after being called. l got out my
team and they got into the carriage. Hughes
directed me to drive on to the Cleveland
road. He stopped me after going a few rods
and sent me to tell a man standing at a
house door that he wanted 10 see him. l
told the mi who said if Hughes wanted
TO see him he might come to him. I told
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said, That man has cost me $780, Drove
on then till We came to Krum's house, where
hughes and Russell got out. A little boy
came from Krum's house and went over to
Parsons. He came back and said to a wo-
man there, They amt there-they've gone
a black-berrying." Pretty soon Mr.. Par
sons came from his house into the road, and
Hughes called to him. Parsons came to
Hughes and talked with him, and Hughes
afterwards went over to Parsons house,
staying there half or three quarters of an
hour. Then we drove on to the Plank Road
House, and in about a mile saw two women
coming along, with tin pals in their hands.
Told Hughes l guessed they were the folks
he wanted to see. He stopped me when we
met them, and called, Z" Miss Parsons! Miss
Parsons !" Mrs. Parsons turned around and
said, What do you WANT" Hughes said,
Nothing, only l a to talk to YOU" She
started on, saying, I dOn't want nothing to
do with you" Hughes watched them a few
minutes and'then got out and followed them,
they walking as fast as they could, he walk
ing fast too, and coming up with them,
when the old lady motioned her hand to
him.. When he got up to them they slack
ened their pace and went on slowly till a
man overlook them with a wagon. Could
see the old lady motioning her hand toward
Hughes, as if she was talking loud to him,
he being some ten feet from the wagon, but
coming nearer, The old lady got into the
wagon. Hughes approached the girl, who
stood near the wagon, and talked with her
a minute, and she then got into the wagon.
Hughes put his hand on her and talked to
her some time, until the wagon was driven
off. Hughes then came back to my car
riage. l said to him, "The old lady was
laying it down to you pretty hot" He said,
" Yes, but that is all right" He directed me
to go to the Plank Road House, where we
stopped. We went to a grocery
across the road, and had some beer;
drank about two glasses, when Krum came
in, when we had two or three more glasses
of beer. Then a Dutchman came in, and
then all drank five or six glasses of beer. 1
had enough and stopped; the Dutchman
got enough and they laid him out. They
were talking then about going to Rocky
River. Hughes wanted to 20 by the way Of
Eight Mile Lock, or Twelve Mile Lock, as
he had a debt there of sos which he wanted
to collect. Gotinto the carriage, and l was
told TO drive TO Bedford. Went to Krum's, |
and stopped. Hughes got out and asked a
lady there if the Parsons folks were at
home, and was told they had gone TO town.
Heard somebody tell Hughes that Parsons
folks had gone to Bedford, and were going
to have him (Hughes) arrested. He said
something about settling or fixing it. We
want 10 Radfnrd Kruvn nnin- Nth ,s
Hughes said, "Drive on as fast as you can
to Bedford" He told me to go to the place
where he had seen the man in the morning.
He got out at the Postoflce, but soon we
went to the Fountain House to get some
beer. Hughes saw Parsons coming along
in a wagon, and Hughes asked him to have
a glass of beer. parsons said "No, I don't
want to be shot" They got out at the Foun-
tain House, and Hughes, as we were going
in, turned around and went out We had
been there quite a little while. I started
out doors, and saw a lot of people running
toward Columbus street; | followed, and
saw q crowd gathering, and heard some one
say that Hughes had shot somebody. /
went back to the Fountain House and
told Russell, who said, Lets 60 and
see" Drove down toward the place
where & the crowd was. Russell did
not get into the carriage; saw Hughes COM
lux dlulB VIII a nldu ublulHR Oh Ills JTnl. !
J stopped my carriage; Hughes shook the
man off his arm, took out a revolver,
swung it around, and said, Don't another
man lay hold of me J" lie came to the
carriage and jumped in. As he jumped in
| jumped off the carriage, went to the door
and said, "What do you want?" He said
"Drive onI" l hesitatcd, end he said,
"Drive on as 1 tell you" l got on the car
risge, and drove on a few feet when a lot of
man .rGa1 nraf e.. Ina % rA,H fIn N4-n,
stopped the team, when Hughes shook his
pistol at me, and said, "Drive on as l tell
you" l drove on, when a man said, "Stop
the carriage-there's a murderer in it" |
stopped, when Hughes said, You drive on
or I'll blow you through! !" IdrOve on at a
pretty good pace, and soon Russell came up
and got into the carriage. We went on .
few rods when Russell got out and got
on the carriage with me. l motioned to
the people to come out and overtake me
was not going very fast. Russell told me,
"For Gods sake drive faster or We'll be
shotI" l drove on as fast as l could, till
we got to a piece of woods, when Hughes
got out, stood a minute, asked Russell for
some money, and Russell gave him some,
though he said he hadn't much. He went
then to the woods. The people were coming
on after US, n l drove on, with Russell.
l saw Hughes next at the Fountain House,
dlUer ne was arrested. Mnen last l saw
Hughes before he was arrested, he was run
ming IN the woods on the right hand side of
the road. When Hughes was introduced
to me the night we started, he had a plug
hat on but ut his room he changed it for a
soft hat. When we stopped at Newburgh, i
Hughes told the hotel keeper he was going
to Eight Mile Lock to amputate a limb.
The man Russell also was called Major
Hanson or Hampson. Hughes told me to
call him so. When we left the Franklin 6
House the morning of the murder Hughes I
very well at Krum's he appeared ,
as usual, and also when We left the grocery
to go back to Bedford. Nothing attracted J
my attention in his manner while we were
going to Bedford. After the murder, when
he got into the carriage, l could hear him {
often enough call to me to drive faster the :
horses had not made more than one or two
Jumps when he began this.
AFTERNOON SESSION. :
ORR Carr recalled for cross-examination l
I suppose Hughes meant Russell when he I
said that man cost him $780,. While in the I
grocery Hughes conduct did not differ from :
n the night previous. He didn't seem
drunk his face was red, and Russell rub {
bed flour on it. Couldn't see that the "pres- |
ent use ale affected any of the party. {
When mention was made at Mr.. Krum's on =
our return, that the Parsons folks had gone ,
Rad ford. Hughes said. "we would have l