Daily national Republican. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1862-1866, 1865-06-21
.I,ooAI AFFAIns.

= Mr.. James W. Smith, having been sworn, tes-
tiaed that some time during last April be learned
OF the bank robbery In westminater, Maryland.
Witness aud Mr.. Gray, another detective, went
10 the place for the purpose Of arrestiHg the rob
beru by order Of Marsha, Carmichael Having
arrived al the bank they learned some hall dozen
persons, all strangers In the place, had been ar
| fetted on the charge ofbeing concerned In tho
robbery iamong them was man named Wm.H
NJ. Uternehis objected 10 his statement on the
groand that II had nothing TO do with tho case,
aud was entirely iTreyelent teatimony
Mr.. A. ID. Waller, the special agent % the Post
0Hee Department, said he would like the wituoss
1 oig,o on and Justice JohhsoA oyerruied tho OBJ
LECTION Of Mr.. Utermehle. stIH..s H. .t
Witness resumed NJ. Irving told him he
had nothing 70 do with the bank robbery though
had case which he wanted hlm 10 work mp.
| irving then gave witness box Of letter stamps,
| aud told him he received them from Washington
city said q man named cudlipP gave tho'a to
II Me- UtsrInshls said he dcsired 70 have the
1 charge against Mr.. Spencer heard he did not
fcpre seat CudiipP, who had bceH arrested, and
was beyond the Jurisdiction OF the Jastioe, con
s~quenily ho (the nagistrate) had no power 10
| act In hts case. HI.. .. t...
Justice johnson said he would hear tho cVl.
denoe against both parties, though CudliPp had
withsss stated that he eamo to washington In
company with Irving about tho l0th Of May.
| Witness sent Irving to Cudlipp; Oudlipp gave
| Irving six ono thousand dollar bonds 10 dispose
oL irving brought tho bonds % witness, sud
/ handed th6m over 10 him. (witness heru idontl-
Hfd the bouds aud stamps which he roceiyed from
IA ietler from the Commercial Bank in Albany,
describing the missing bonds, was here offered In
witness took the bonds 70 the Treasury De-
| partmsnt, aud 10 Postmaster General DenisOn /,
i was Informed At the Treasury Department that
/ opc hundred and sixty or seventy thousand doll
lars had beon stolen from the post ONCE. wit.
nsSs had made arrangement. with Irving to meet
4 In al lha pngN an
| street; when he went 10 the restaurant 10 look
/ flr Irving, was In seSycrEhtion with the bar
4 keeper SpeneeS csmsHuP and said, "fou arc
waiting for lrving-he promisea 10 meet mo hero
| also.h Witness weut cut % the restaurant, aud
| walked down b. the corner Of Seventh street aud
| tho avenue; spencer again came mp to him, and
said, "You are here looking Tor Irving 80 am I;
| he proaissd 10 meet me here he has something
belonging to me.''srW Witness then told spencer
70 tell IryiRg, u he .houid nud him, that he
| (witncssl had gone 10 Baltimore.
| tQuestion by tho Justice State the suEpieiOns
| you had which caused you to arrest sPenosrf
| Mr.. Utermehle objected. lie said tho witness
! had given all the facts ~ hs know them, and he
had no right TO give his ideas and suspicious. II
| was out Of place for n detective officer after he
las sworn 10 all tho faets to give the suspicious
| which canscd him 10 make tho arrest IL looked
~ II II was done tn shield him from any prosccu
| tion for Illegal arrest. ... ... 10
| The Justice here stated II would DO ImpOs sibie
| 10 get thryugh with the case to-day, aud ~ the
witnesscs for the defence had 10 bo ut thoiT desks
Tho Justice also stated no would continue the
examination Of witnesses for the prosecution.
The witness Smith was then cross. cxanlinod
| hy Mr.. utermehle: Witness said he did not
tnow irving had neyor seen him until he met
hin in WsstIninstoTi Irving gave witness the
stamps NoluHtarilyi know Cublipp; searched
| SpcnocT's house thoroughly; found nothing but
| liphotoqraph of Oudnpp aud spencer Mr.. Me
Uielan told witness q large number of postage
.lamps had boon stOlcu from the ofiee. Witness
did not know whore tho boudn were taken FROM,
| vhothcr II was out Of the Washington ofeo OF
| somewhere betwesn hero aud Albany. rr
| Witness did not lnd any OF the bonds; don 7
| know what become oi tho other hundred and
| idty4fOur thousand. Witness had understood
| they were taken from the twashtngton onioc.
| Irving tbld witness 10 get thu bonds from Cud'
| lipp. Witness told irving 90 write TO Cudlipp
1 that he would meet him in Baltimore. Cudlipp
tSlegTaphed back that he would mcet him. Wit.
/ neSs then went to thelplaee and mAde the ARREST
| anos,len BY the, JuAtico; State what eonGes-
IMr. UtcrmshIe objected he said the siatemen nts
Of CudlipP could net eject third party.
i WIN. II. Irving havi0g been sworn, testihsd
bat he met CndbPP In the street cars In Baih'
] iaoro somo timo age, Had not seen him before
i fSr number Of years. They leit the cara to
gaeth"r aud went into restaurant
| iCudllpP called wttnens aside and inquired Rs TO
A. his circumstances. wituOsH replied he was very
i pOnr. Cudhpp thon told him 20 come to wash
| lpgtnn and he wOald giye him something 20 do.
| He Rlso took the address Of Witness. wiincs,
came to Washington, saw cudliPp; said ho could
nut me in way to get 1900 from desk In q
| hotel In this city. .nT. ...
| Mr.. Utcrmohlo objected. HoaSkcJ what 4 hotcl
| robbery betwcou Cudlipp aud lryinR had to ho
With the trial of Sponcrr the charge Of rubblug
the Poet onico. lilo objected 10 It as irrcyelaut
testimony. ... r.. .... |r.'##...
| Tho Justice said he would allow It all to BE-
giYCn, aud then that which was not evidence
I WItuaus TouuIissd % Went 10 tho hotel, hat did
rot commit the robbsry, though he had koy
fnrhlShed him for that purpose .,, ..
| Witness went to Canterbury with CHdlipp. Saw
ipenees there. OudliPp said to him, "Sponco, you
Iirufaised 70 pay part of the expenses ~ Irving
| vhile he was at tho hotel y, spencer then gave
lmorc aud did not write to Cudlipp any more.
1 short tme after he (Cudlippb came to rsuidsue,,
81 witness and Persnaded him 10 20 ~ NowiYoIk
| With him, Witness had several sjObonas cashcd
| fpr Cudlipp white IN Philadelphia and New York.
| 1 TheUuestion was asked what statements Cud-
| hpp made 10 witness. r..F ... D..
| Mr.. Utermehle obieetod. lie said ho could not
| -eo how tho declaration OF Cudlipp mad0 to
4 irving could efoct spencer. Mr. y. said he waS
| DOT hHTe 20 tEy Cudlipp, and he would like 10
have tho evidence against Spencer and not
| against Cudlipp. .. .E..I
| w!tncss came to Washing tou and received
| from CudliPP box containing stamps. CudhpP
| t,ld witness Il contained SlOO stamps. wituc-s
| counted them and found only 4,OO0 When Cud e.
hpp gave witness The bonds he told him ho wUuld
/ give him ono third " he would dispose Of them
4 He told witness he got tho bonds In dishonest
| manner. He said they came by Adams h Co. =
| Express IN tho post Onles aud Wsru thnro AL.
! strReted by y clerk. He said the clerk was
namod Spencer aud he would bag anything.
/ Witness met spoGcer at the Post onAoo restAu-
| rant. Spencer asked him 10 drink with him. Ito
i kaSa witness n number Of lettor Stamps and said
flake them, they will get some drinks for you. -
| witness saw OudlipP In the station honso IN Bal
limore after he was arrested. lie said he did not
| know what he was arrested for, only he knew
i Booth and had Often drank with him, aud prob.
ably he was arrested on the charge Of being con .
| eorncd In the aSsassination. Cudlipp told wit
| ness he had burned sll2,OO0 worth OF bonds.
| Witness pat the bOndE which he received from
4 CudliPp In tho safe at the American HOUSE after
| be- got them back frOm Mr.. saith, GudlipP came
/ inust have those bonds; you will get both Span
! tnr aud mysslf In ttTOuble.'' Witness thought
4 that cudliPp was only trytnglto make AduPo Of
| Spencer. ar.a ... a-... non. .. a'u..u ..
| Cross examined: Live In Carol country, Ma
| iylHna. Has passed under tho name Of Wan H.
/ Emmert Adopted that nAmo WHOM ho left home
I'd account Of domestic troubles, not on AceOu ut
/ Of any crime he bad committed. Had baen In the
| Baltimore PenitontlAry for three years; served
ont his whole term Of soltenos. Was pnt there
1 for selling goods which he knew were stolen.
mAh broul hit some clothes to woman who
i witness was living with and sold them 10 thu
4 woman. Whan witness came homo he sold tho
| tlothcz 10 Jdw, ,Ho was arrested, tried, eOu '
| Nlcted aud santaneed 10 the ponitOntiary for w.
! The InAn Was Introduced TO Witna.sby Cudllpp,
\ who bept photograph gallery In BaltimOTe. Al
| that time CndllPp told Witness the man had beon
| 10 the psnileptiaTy, HIS namo was Fem
| THE case was still gOlog on At the time our re-