New-York daily tribune., 1865-12-20

VOTE
Mr. GARFIELD said no introduced similar Dill eaty
in the last session. It plain declaration tn%
Congress has the right to regnlte commerce sT"ns s
the States This was clearly within the scope ol Con
Sess Ha supposed the House had already sufnclens
informafion to enable them to act np1n 1t inteiusen
and therefore hoped there wond be no postponenen
JoUy T. THOMAS lfd) did not rise Tor the purpose oI
defending any railroad in Maryland or elsewhere. IN
Committee he voted against reporting the e ior ne
reason that it was not question proper Io tg De
m.ttee on Commerce put snouu ~ .onal caesions
COMMITTEES on the Judiciary as conslut9nl 9ues.o1
were involved in il. lie had as much right 10 pe nsa
as any other member. This was question t1u.hns
the interests of his own State and ne
bill be made special order for the 10Th pf Janmary
Mr. ROGERS said the main object OF the oin ,; mns ."
strike at Maryland and NewJeIsey TWAS 10 aepii,o
a chartered company of New-Jersey OF q pfNiieso
granted so or GO wears ago. for the benefit OF another
company by way of the coast Loyal NewJersey de'
manded that her rights be respected ,s
Mr. WAsHBURSE said NewJersey and Maryland
taxed passengers IS per cent by which the people
had suffered long enough; but what was now proposeu
was general law, and applicable to all the STOVES
There nothing in tho bill about Maryland ana New
Jersey.
Mr.. ROGERS remarked that the charges made by ting
gentleman. though not so interded, were un,rus ad
these he wished to discuss and place siaTy'ana aH
New Jersey III their true attitude :, -.
The bill was then ordered to be engrossed by 'o'o
of 81 Yeas against 30 Nays, and then passed.
CONDITION OF TIE HARBoEs.
On motion Of Mr.. ELIOT resolution was edopteu
calling on the Secretary OF Wor to communicate 10 inc
House the present condition OF the harDors OF tno
United States where public works have been ous Sr
directed be built what appropriation Is requIeu i
repairs on the sea coast lakes lnd naylgaDie rivers &C
NEW RULE.
Mr.. WAsBBURyE (Ill). from the Select Commlt.ee Oh
the Ru,es repoyted one tor the appoint'leh.
Committee on Mines and Mining to consist OF nlao
members. This was agreed to
| TIE HOLIDAY RlCRS5.
The House resolution returned from the oena,o
with an amendment proposing adjourn over the non
days from the 2st of December to the "a OF January
On motion Of Mr.. WAsHBuRNE the House nonean.
~ kQH
Conference.
| Mr. DAWSON. from the Committee on the Rules re-
ported rule allowing each member s7o for the long.
and 45 for the short session. for stationery. This was
agreed to. Yeas. rs; Nays, %.
PAYING THE REBEL DEBT.
Mr. WILSON QowO reported back the joint resoiu'
tion with amendment, so as to read as follows
Beit Resoired by the Senate and Hofe Represeadse
Of each House consarns of o bs .rye
states as an amendment the Cons tuition which. when rat
ss sy snd edfSGs as part Of aid
FIRsr No tax duty or iIpost stall oe hid nor
United States or any thereof for the q paying.
either in whole or in part any debt liability what
sse. the people ereoi or the purpose aiding rebel
against tie Constitution and laws OF the United s,aes
Mr. WILSON eaid unless some Senator desired expia-
nation he should move the previous question. ,
Mr. ROGERS IN. J) said that while he subscribed TO
that part Of the bill against the pay ment OF tne deos
the United States he opposed TO that branch wnen
forbade the payment Of debts by individual States Hs
opposition was on the broad ground that threefcur4s
OF the States could not take away the rights ei iIe
other fourth. II hreefonrths of the States could 40
what was now proposed they could deprive them OF the
right TO regulate their domestic institutions-their
courts and local government
Mr. FARNswORTH asked the gentleman whether No
thought i, right to tax loyal people for debt IN
CURED il Rebellion against the United States.
Mr.. ROGERS replied that State should not pe de-
priyed of the right to pay any debt it saw proper 70
provide for. The question was not whether TIE aeDt
was contracted in righteous or unjust cause ous
whether any state in ratityiag the Constitution gave
up tie right TO control and say what debt 1t sbau
Mr. STEVENS inquired Of what the power Of
amendment unless TO change the CONDITION VI
Mr. ROGERS replied that the trainers Of the Constitu
ton gave right 10 amend within us spnere Dut nos
as to change the enoracter Oh 'ne uo'cfneA' "0
Mr. ROUSSEAU inquired whetherit was one of the
reserved rights Of the States to break up the Govern
Mr.. ROGERS said he was not here to advocate but
denounce the Rebel debt but also 10 defend the rights
of the States which were not TO DO inVaoed In 'Di'
Nj SuELrA asked II it was not competent to
. amend tho Constitution to prohibit the States
from engaging in rebellion; IL So why 1t not
peten provide that the States shall not pay the ex-
penses for carrying on rebrlllonf
l. Mr. ROGERS admitted that 1t would be competent to
make such an amendment but y would De unnecessary
for the reason that the spirit II not the letter OF the
in rebellion. In conclusion he said on constitutional
question OF this kind the majority ought not TO pass the
bill, under the operation OF the previous question with
out allowing time Tor debate. He appealed to the geo-
erosiy and magnGnity OF the gentleman TO allow the
minority 20 be heard.
MIR. WHsoy replied that he was disposed to protect
mnorities and the minority in NewJersey which the
gentleman represented.
Mr.. ROGERS denied that he represented minority IN
that State.
Mr. WILSON said he wished to give assurance Of pro-
lection any portion Of the people Of NewJersey who
might within tho limits Of the States lately IN
rebellion that they would not be made liable for the
payment of debt incurred for tho purpose OF destroy
ling the Government lie was in favor Of protecting
the minority in another matter, namely; against the
crasping influence OF the immense amount OF money
required If tAe Rebel debt was to be paid in joint
capacity BY the several States We had full discus
sion Of the doctrine OF States rights during the ate
Congress and he believed all the members OF the horse
ooncurred that the trainers 0f the Constitution SO made
il that State had right to secede from the unoA
The Government in the struggle just closed ey force
of ars affirmed the decree OF the fathers OF the Gov
ernmeat; and not only this. but that part Of the
people North South should be called TO pay one dol.
lar Tor the purpose Of DESTROYING the oil he
United States And this the proposition on the
Joint resolution pending for the purpose OF making It
effective. IL was provided that Tie Courts OF the
United States shall have jurisdiction in all cases arising
under or springng from It. They did not merely pro-
hibt the assumption Of the debt but provided an ef,
fecve remedy 10 make the citizen secure He believed
the House in proper temper TO pass the resolution
Mr. JOHNSON Pa) said that so far as he understood;
his political friends were not opposed 10 the general
scope Of the proposition But u was due measure sure
proper degree of gravity and not hastily thrust
0 the House. He could not see how the debts
, OF dead man could be paid without tns
= appointment Of an administrator. They had
been obliged to hear remarks OF EN- explanatory chsr
aoter This kind of legislation was wrong was 70
curing little too much to ask that the mere repre-
sentalons OF members be taken however able the gem
temen may be- without aordng time even 10 ieed the
q bill. -.
Several gentlemen suggested amendments so as 70
leave no way open for escape while others waheu the
consideration of the measure postponed.
Mr.. WILSON disposed TO let the question 20 Over
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