New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1865-04-12

ALBANY. April II. 1853.
NBw-YORK CENTRAL.

dence to the Senate Chamber. The debate promises 10
be protracted one and viii certainly draw out the
best energies Of the best minds Of the Senate. before h
conclusion. The two hours debate which took place
upon 1t this morning may properly be regarded in tho
| light Of preliminary skirmish, Senator F0lgeys
amendment, giving the Hudson River road also the
benefit of the removal Of the restricticon not having
been disposed o. and discussion Of the general
its OF the bill being properly In order until the quesioa
as to this amendment Is settled The skirmisb however
was g keen one and drew out short. crisp and
pointed speeches from Senators Foger. Bailey. Al
drews and Hastings on one side, and Angel Murphy,
shafer Fields and Mupgef on the other. 1t is safe "a
say from the foreasts of the debate which had this
morning that IL will a. whole form monument Of the
ability OF this Senate Of which the State will have rea,
son to be proud. Happily 1t will not DO lost nor
fined TO the comparatively small number who gain i'd.
mission to the Senate Chamber The debate was takea
down geographically and viii be printed verbatim
soon as the notes can be written out The Senate was
full with the exception Of Senator Cooke who is unor.
tunatey confined at home BY severe sickness.
The hour OF adjournment arriving the committee
and the bill was again made special order for To-
morrow morning. without dissent both sides having
got their blood ur and being eager for the fray.
1t is impossible to draw any cspclusions from the
proceedings to-day to the probabilities OF the final
passage. They to be very nicely balanced. Sen.
ator Munger one Of the two Union Senators who voted
for the former BILL at every step gave notice Of an In
tention to move an amendment limiting the present
bill as to time This will add some strength to 1t.
PAYING THE COMMON COUNCIL
The debate IN the Assembly last evening on paying
the New.York Common Councimen took an amusing
turn.
Mr. Van Buren, moved 10 strike out the enactiaf
clause. This a very interesting bill, and he hoped
The 10 sSud sy
without petition from the taxpayers Of that city dc
protested against the attempt TO outrage the o!
that city by adding this large additional tax This bl
would not stop the frauds committed upon the treasury
OF New.York City. Amounts were paid in that city
for salaries larger than was necessary to carry on aa
empire-larger than all the States combined lie de-
nounced the bill q fraud.
Mr. j. L. Parker had no interest In this bill. Its OBJ.
ject to give the members Of the Common Council
g. 0O0 per annum instead Of allowing them 10 steal
SIS. 900 year. Meu would not spend their time to
perform pablo business for nothing nthey were nos
paid By se gsa take mt Ss
parent necessity for stealing. He believed the bill
would money 10 the taxpayers instead OF taking
II from them. 70
Mr. Squires was amazed al the course Of the gentle
man from New. York (Mr Van Buren,, In complaining
that this bill a fraud, and opposing 1t because no
That gentleman had advocated and voted for bills here
laying tax OF more than million OF dollars upon the
citizens Of New York without single petition, And
vet he was so inconsistent to oppose this bill Ho
would pay the members Of the Council fair salary
Mr. J. s. Smith did not believe the member OF tho
Common C9ane would oe pOln'eg 80 GUY ds MsS
gentlemen to prove that they were thieves: he ns1
been member Of that body and knew something abocs
It, All other officers elected in New York reoeive
pav-why not remunerste the members OF the Comnos
Councili
Mt Van Buren, not prepared to give individual
cases of fraud He spoke with reference to public opin
ion He would refer 10 circumstance. however.
and that the japanese affair He was at the ball.
Mr. J. l.. Smth-And you had a Tree ticket -,
Mr. Van Buren-Yes sir, did; and went homs
sober
MI J. L. Smith, rise to point Of order. beg e
correct the gentleman. was there myself. ana can
say the gentleman did not 90 home sober.
Mr. Van Buren, said there might be difference Of
opinion 10 that point bat il was well known that 1as
bill was swindle and had 90 been characterized Hs
moved 10 amend that the Common Council are hereby
prohibited from making any donation from the public
funds to any individual or corporation, or make any m
crease OF salaries; and any such donation Is. hereoy
declared absolutely void and ANY resident may COM
menoe action In any court OF record 70 recover any
Mr. j. l. Smith had no objection TO the amendment;
but ii 1t should be adopted how the institutona
now benefited by these amendments TO be suPportedv
They were all charitable institutions and were main{
dependent upon the city authorities. The city bad
heretofore granted them aid to the amount Of s1oUa
year. and no one found fault with their action. ne
could not see the motives that would prompt the
amendment. -
M Keegan opposed the amendment, and advocated
the bill II would be better 10 pay salaries as oetter
class Of men would be secured for Aldermen and Coan-
cilmen. -
Mr.. Stewart presumed that his position on this bill
would subject him TO some criticism But lie was ID
favor of giving who held responsible positions fAr
remuneration. The amendment restrico Z the alder
men from giving away money or increasing saariess
perhaps ought to But the members OF the Coun-
ell should be paid irrespective Of the Of dishon.
esty that may be flying around about them. Tie men
who complain most about dishonest aldermen. do the
least toward putting good men IN the Board. But ho
would favor the amendment.
Mr.. Matthews moved tn amend that no donation or
increase OF salary shall be- made without the vote OF
three fourths of all the members elected tothe Board
Mr. j. l.. Smith hoped the amendment last proposed
would prevail. 1t was important that the Common
Council should have power 10 make donations. But
that power should be taken from the Council he hoped
1t would be given to some other power.
Mr. Wood advocated the bill. He had looked over
the list Of appropriations made by the Common Council
for the last year and satisfied that reasonable
man could find fault with them They all such
be would vote FOR IN such BODY Ihe principle of tho
bill was correct.
Mr. Matthews amendment was adopted
Mr. j. J.. smith moved 10 report progress Carried
In the House. Mr. j. l.. Smith moved to order the bill
10 a third reading. Carried IL 20 30. Adjourned.
1t will be seen tina, the bill was advocated upon the
express ground that the members OF the Boards were
now stealing to the extent of $1,000 apiece on tho
average and that If they paid 5000 each they
would refrain from stealing the larger sam named t
is difficult to see anything very logical in this argu-
mcnt Men who have the disposition the ability and
the chances to steal and by the admissions Of their adj
yocates do steal large spms not likely keep their
hands out the public chest because they are paid
small salary TO induce them to turn honest.
Its to be hoped that the Assembly. which is also .
mserably paid body does not apply the principles
to its own
However there is some satisfaction in the adoption