The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1865-11-20


men escorted to the station by large crowd OF peo
pie, who enthusiastically cheered them they left
portion Of thu armed with the splendid Enfield
rifles issued 10 tle Civil Service corps
| WarIiks Demonstration or President
O'Mahpny Against the Chcvaiicr Ray
mOnd DC.
| THE lRTICIE THAT CAUSED THE TROUBLE.
HUNDREDS and probably thousands of poor, honest,
unsuspechg Irish living in the unsophiscated
tons of ms country, have been caoled into making
remanct to the managers Of the Order here and else
where-n't one tths Of which, they may depend upon
1t, are urd for any sther purpose than maintaining
l a set of camps in idensss Stories come TO us of re-
mittances OF Fenan funo to Ireland. Most of these
doubtless ntendes show that the
tons received actually expended for some revou-
tonary end Even II an honest hare of the funds we're
| sent to reaId the result would apparently be merely
to send a lcw more ill.advsed yong people TO jal
But we Do moi believe that the MONEY is used for any
other p,s1ose han getting notoriey ant paert heather
boots or set iders in this country is really time
that those whoare in position advise ne unsophis-
cated people the rural districts the real nature
OF the fenlan syndle, should do IL is a crime To
bolster up ne Concern even as joke. The clergy on
whose Kilt .,.,raons the Irish Americans chiefly depend
a.sry who wishcs~el Ia Jre,opd nI =" har ut
nnn,i,ioa,ad nu ~ 1Eyposing what is really an
'n'n'sa'eu nipoS'ure'-1'"s Editorial, Nor H. 1865
MIR. KILLIAN TO I'M p.vuoxn
Mr.. Kian presents his complimiats 10 " pr,,,
and asks on behalf Of Colonel Jo o y Pr Sna
cent OF the Fsnian organization rsraction from Mr.
raymond OF all statements Of persona .harac,ar -
bodied IN an article entitled "Thc FeniaL nnosa,r y
published in tO-days' TINES po"'',
with . view OF furthering his object - -
NEW YORK. Nov. IA, 1885,
Mr.. RAYMoND's REPLY
The editor OF the TiDss acknowledges the receipt e
MT kilian note He begs to say in reply that th,
article referred to embodics merely an oppression OF
opinion concerning an organization Of persons he sees
no ground for either demanding making .'retlac.
tion except upon the submission Of such shall
lead to change Of such opinion.
The editor of the Times will be very happy receive
consider and III desred) to publish any such facts which
Mr. n. or any one else may wish 70 submit 10 him.
TIMES OFfIcE, Nov. IA, 1865
NIX. KILLIAN TO MIR. RAYMOND.
NEW YORK, Nov. 10, 1865.
Mr. Kan has received and read Mr. Raymond's reply
10 Mr.. Mahony's application for rcracton of state
ments OF personal character embodied in the 'Fcnan
Imposturc article of yesterdays Times. Mr.. Killian
cannot agree with Mr.. Ray that those
are merely an expression Of opinion concerning an
organization Of persons, ii they were could he
regard them otherwise than beous grossly offensive
and richly deserving Of rebuke from all such "oIgan-
lied persons He sees in them on tho other hand n
plain and palpablc attempt 10 " indvidualize'' the
responsibility of the . Fcnan lmposture,u Mr. Ray
mond is pleased TO term ito charge the managers Of
the Order here and elsewhere with completely In and
the management or " swiudlci--n brief 10 stigma
tic them as dangerous citizens and disrcputabe men,
preying on the creduty OF their fellow countrymen.
present, three executive officers resident in New
York, there is no difficulty In making the application
personal 10 them-the difficulty indeed to consist
in presuming the depression Of opinion could have
had any other meaning To Mr.. Raymond from
further embarras on this head no Il respectfully
informed that the three " Managers whose names
handed to him yesterday may be regarded in either
individual" or collective light, but that each and
every Of them consider Mr. 0hahonys demand for a
retraconn individually and colect, ely proper Just
and ft TO be insisted on
Mr. Killian restrain his expression Of astonsh
ment at Mr.. Raymonds allusion TO .such submission
OF facts a. shall lead to change OF opinion in MT Ray
mond He considers such proposition, made under
such circumstances, an aggraya0n Of the original insult
and the very acme OF impertinence in itself Lbes
starting from ignorance have apology
the very right Of criticism depends on superior know.
Used IN fart from, Aksub
hitting facts' TO Mr. Raymond for tho purpose of
coming his defective information, Mr.. Kan has the
honor 10 renew the demand for ''retraction," not
merely from Of justice 70 the managers OF the
'Fenian imposturc, but with well assured belief that
the wise liberty Of public criticism, the dignity and
uness of the press the sacred riches Of private repu
ton, the more alurng rewards Of public ambition
all deeply concerned In any effort TO guard press
from rccklcssncss and politics from ncvism Should
Mr. Raymond fail TO the urgency OF the retracton
asked for, he is requested 10 name some gentleman
with whom Mr. 0iMahony and Mr.. Klian might enjoy a
more satisfactory acquaintance.
B. DORIAN KILLIAN
MR.. RAYMoND's REPLY.
Mr.: Raymond received Mr.. b. Doran Killian's note,
dated the 18TH late last evening Unless he misnnder-
stand lis closing paragraph Mr. Kilian presents TO Mr.
Raymond the alternative of either making the t'rerac
tom which Mr. Kian demanded as ON behalf of Mr. :
Mahony and HIMSELF Of considering himself inv tied
70 hostile meeting with or both Of those gentlemen
NJ Raymond Is unwilling TO take any action the
Ject until more fully assured Of the meaning OF Mr. Kill
lian note and the unusual phrascology which Mr. kan
has seen III 10 adopt must DO hs for requesting
MN W INFORM MN watcher lie has or has not CORE tly
| Understood him.
Mr.. KILLrAN TO MR. RAYMOND
= w EAST SEVENTEENTH STREET, USrE SQUARE,
Mr. r. Ntw YORK, Nov l6 1896
regrets that he has made himself fully
assure Mr. n. Mr.. Raymond H. certainly sought to
was reoni, bat reraction, ample o. the oiiense
O'Eirsany " ana that, failing 10 receive H. Mr.
ing full anu hliaself would feel justified In nsur-
cogpzed as.e,nent by any course Of action re-.
IL not Mr. OMahcnyate under like aggravation IL
udge Mr.. Raymonds mO@r Killan's intention 10 prc
of s'mcaning, They reprobaasking this statement
can editor would seek to shield groSioa that an Amer
4 grosser quiobic howevor, due 10 many behind
The question oil Jaice 10 this never bpd that
IN Police court, ewing 10 any ion tod
| part OF Mr.. o'Aahny or Mr. killian oH VI
NH RAYAoND's REPLY.
NEw YORK. Nov IL Ise5
| Mr. Raymond lecInes g comply with the p,enacrc
demand for % 'etfaction, which Mr. KiIliap ~ hs
haf OF himself nd Mr. 0Nahony has seen m 10 NAB
upon hun
l ,IEApSlRrERs FEyAs BRorurruoop
Ngw York Nov IL IsGs
The undersigned repssentins the organiya,on
by the editor Of ae Te begs leave - Mace ~ s
going correspondence u The hands Of the public His
undo foa bel nor ps n who win neither
chastsad for IT, ~ not posse,d ~ ,ba a ~ W pe
Of the instincts OF gontlen JoIIN nMs 81 man
- PRESIDENT VI Fenlan brotherhood.
Al ~u.rcrJp ingtos, Del.
: S n a. The Bran grand tors Nov. Is, 1896
s soS,, n MorIsuy Of pee Addps procession this
. p NJ Plunle't' and osAsrs' sTl.s ~ + Peneo,
prevailed -A-- enthusiasm
>mS"ec Market.
Cotton nominal ssie,oday. !. a aoo NOV NOV
s. s''f E.SS sss i sa s O. TIE Tor
hand. 81 al bsles GDld1<e 4 10 pnsE SA54s