New Oregon plaindealer. (New Oregon, Iowa) 1859-1866, 1865-07-28
JOHNSON AND SUMMER

A friend at Washin gton assures u:
that few weeks since an intervie1
took place between President johnson
and Senator Sumner which was sub
stantially as follows:
"Good evening, Mr.. President" sait
Senator Sumner, last week, upon en-
tering the Presidents room in tn,
White House.
Good evening, Mr.. Senator" repli
ed the President. "Please be seateC
for a moment, until l finish letter t,
an old friend"
The letter being finished, the Prcsi.
dent turnod ia Mr. Sumner. when tn,
latter said:
'Mr. President, l have called upon
you for the purpose of expressing to
you the views of our people on the
subject Of reconstruction.
"Well, Sir" replied the President,
MIR. Sumner commenced by saying:
Sir, your North Carolina Proclama-
tion does not meet the appreciation of
the people, and they will not submit to
have the great results of the war thus
thrown away"
"What people are you representing e
Sil?' asked Mr.. johnson.
"The Whole Northern people," said
Mr.. Sumner.
Il apprehend you Will lnd that you
represent but a small portion of the
Northern people, replied Mr.. John
son.
"Then," said Sumner. we must take
your North Carolina Proclamation as
an indication of your policy, must wc?"
Eyes, Sir" replied the president.
''Then, sir" said Sumner, "you do
not intend to enfranchise the black
man?"
Il have nothing to do with the sub
ject: that exclusively belongs to tie
states. You certainly would think it
an usurpatioa on my part if l attempt
Of electors: rs: in n Massachusetts,
But replied Sumner, ''Massashu-
setts has been loyal State.'
:'That may be- replied the Presi
dent, shut the loyal men of the South
have made sacrifices for their Union
sentiments, while Massachusetts has
made millions cut of her loyalty,
and it would be poor return for
S. Sluthern adherence to the Government
if the latter should, in violation of the
Constitution, thrust upon them local
laws in opposition to their wishes
At this reply Of the President, Mr..
Sumner boamv inpatient aud illitebio
and rejoined by saying, Il am sorry
to sec you evinelng 50 little sympathy
with that element that placed you in
At this the color flashed to the Pres
dents face, and he al led emphatically
.'You and I might as well understand
each other now as at any other time.
You are aware sir, l have no respect
for u sccessionist; but as much as l
despise them, / still haze u greater
detestution and contempt for u fanat-
ic!"
"Good evening"" said Sumner and he
left in huff.-Er.
John Stuart Mill, in his recent
book on Sir Williams Uamilton's phi
losophy, took the ground that God
who could do immoral and inhuman
acts, God who contradictcd every Gle,
ment of our moral nature, was not a
God to be believed in or obeyed. For
this proposition, which would seem to
be sclf-eyidcnt, he has been assailed
as an atheist, not because his assall-
ants are such fools as to think him one,
but because he is q candidate ior Far
lament, and is thought that "athelst"
is good word to be used in prejudl-
cling the voters against him. The
truth is that the strongest expression
Of the idea which Mr.. MIL intended te
state was made by Bishop Of the Els
tablshcl Church. Warburton, IL
speaking Of certain class Of religion
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