Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1862-1865, 1865-01-25
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.LOGCE BETWEEN PRESIDENT LINCOLN AND
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& fnIly md without reserve While your approval of
INV ofcia conduct will be gratifying Your criticism VIII
NJ he offensive "a know you 10 be honest and pAtri-
| - In some respects are much alike You have won
utston by ycga proficiency in the noble science Of
Humbug and too, have made CONSIDERABLE progress "
rs yalga Die ant Fifteen years ago Twas obscure and
| -,rtown Then I disUo erred which way the wind was
| hIoVing and mounted the hoboyoi Antrsayery.
rose rapidly and in 1901 to the asI9h5hue9t oil Seward
| -,,,ne1 4 Co was nominated TO the Presidency.
P,Tnuro-I spprehend Mr. President that my opinions
nj NOT uroye greeable to you but as you desire 10 know
I nm, shan sneak freely. An asprant for the Pres
snry ia usthable in res01ng to Humbug 10 obtain pow
w Int when ne has accomplished that object he ought
,o make correct eai constitutional use OF the power
/ ,ondded 70 him.
/ Lincon--Haye not done this
BAtnun--with great Difference, no, sir You have fol
lowed bad advice ana committed many serious blum
Iin,on-pO You justly the southern rebellion and
RSynnp%I condemn the war and deny that any rebsl
4 an has occuued Sovereign states cannot commit
bslion against the coStateS on against the Federal
/ .,.ysypmtnt from which they seeded. The people
,s allegiance 20 ta3s respective States, and when
tate feels compelled to seceie It's citizens are hot rebels
m auv true ANA lss itimaie OF the word The Con-
ttuton did not create NATION OF empire, but limited
government possessing noau!hofty 10 wage war against
,,v stale tOr any purpose The Federal Convention re-
used 10 confer upon tie federal Government any power
o cocrce the states By Partial as Hamilton was
20 The Capitalization OF power lie denied that Congress
adj any right 20 wage way against any state TITS the
ut- OF the Federal Government to protect each State
transt invasion and 10 promote It's domestic tranquil
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etrs been deirlng yCUyse with the idea that youchad
right 10 invedethe seeding states and that that was
he ouly uelns OF restoring ne Union.
! nccm-Seces ION is dangerous political heresy, OH.
.inatirg with led Davis, ana must be put down.
BarnUm-Secession is muck cider than you seem will
NO 20 a6ni Oar ioIcfGthers understood II aud Qr2c-
sd IL Although the Articles OF Confederation were
.,ed 10 be perpetual tie states seeded from the gOy'
rnmeutcf the Confederation and they did so without
asking receiving unanmcus consent In the 43d mum
DOR al the Fedeflis tie writer MIR MQdsonl asked
ION what PRINCIPLES the Confederation, which stands in
he solemn form Of compact emoEg the SAFES caa be
rspendSl without tie unanimous consent OF tie par
Iip,o.a-Pray how ddhe answer the question
Barpcm-Nr Madison said it Is answered at once by
occurring % Tie absolute necessity OF rhe case; 10 the
at principle OF sscPreseryeJ1n TO the tro,sceudent
% 6f p1Tre and Of natafs. Cod which declare that the
It and happiness Of society ars the objects al which
nm uIfical Institutions aim, and 10 whigG 81 such s-
uti0ns r. SACRIFICED Ter these reasons our Hnce'
0s seeded from ihn Government OF the CONGREGATION
I 'G the l late a. Egiy yss5: ago tie authors Of
lie Tsderast meintlnei that Justice ia The emil of gov
rnInent that il win be parsed until be obtained Nnd
lat in society under the forms Of which the stronger
acton con readily mite and Cypress the weaker anarchy
aay truly he so!dto reign ~ ~ state wlee' tfe
yeaker Individual is not secured against ;he violence OF
no stronger" such are the views OF the south, and
aence ! am not surr-ed At secession.
lincoln State has poNn7Fe right to secede from the
ion "a one OF the counties Of Illinois from The State
BaIur-Yieu you prove that the several counties of
ndepeni nj ana sovereign anu fC-
'GEnl-ei gs Sack ~ am ioeign co'eInmeh'-Wheh you
rove that STATE Constitution IS binding only upon the
eoVe Of such COUNTESS a. have ratified sUch ConstGs
ION and whan YOU wiil Prove foreiatkeTs
lnc tie Federal Constitution surrendered the sovereign
g OF each OF The thirteen states 10 tie Federal Govern
Bent and that these States have no reserved rights then
1 will assent 10 your proposition.
Lncnln-I waive tie discussion of this pOSt al pre-
emit Let kea1 what think you OF my mJ Official ac-
Ton in reference % slavery.
Humanitarian ne Ios saying Il has been lncons's'
eut and remarkable.
iiDco&-how sa 5if. Barnua
E.lu W iaU ygNgs back Wien aspiring 10 tho Pssi-
en-y you proclaimed pubiry tuat there was an ire
ies5.Ge conflict going on between freedom and slavery
Tie United State>-iLgi unless slavery was abolished
would ia TINE prevail throughout re Union.
LiGr ola. True. Bat have uOJ airolay undermined
ayerv and ola not now reaching its speedy destruction
D every Stlte
Ba.rnm.-Ves Sir yoU are unfortunately. Bat. what
aid sea N your inaugural Did you then recommend
~ abolition oil -.lye'y or uge the doctlne OF The me
,rcs,Oh conflict No Sin. Tour music they'was DIFF
leut and in accord With the Constitution upon this sub
ect Before yJur assembled counrymen you then said
L have no purpose, dn.cily or indirectly to interfere
tl tie institution of siyey in the states in which il
Nsts have no lawful night 10 DO 80, andA have no in
l,notOn 70 do Those who n6minated and elected me
I'D so with the tuu knowledge that had made these de-
arltoHis and had never recalled them now reepats
these sentiments and thus give the most conclusive evil
eEce hat the properly peace and security OF no section
are 20 Gin any wise endangered by the jnCJming Admin
stratiou Nor was this siL on also said Il under
tand proposed anenlnen to the Constitution has pass
hall never interfere with the domestic Institutions OF the
tes including that ofPersons held to service and you
ala Il have objection q such provision being made
vpcss and ireyocGbc
Iincolu.-Wly sir those passages Of my inaugural
yere intended for Buhcom5e, aud thought that 40 North
man would expect thstmy action az President would
be governed ty such ATTRACTIONS you have Just quoted
Laruum NbstIaCto us all Immediately before Ut
ern- these declarations you took the oath 10 observe
the Constitution aud your cQuntrymen had Alright 10 be.
eye that your Inaugural address expressed your genuine
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dul- What has been your course relative 10 slavery
inc Your messages 10 Congress ana your procama.
tons Cvince your hostility 10 slavery and your anxiety for
tsovethrov When Napoleon invaded Russia, the serfs
Jad him their services in wagng against the fu
peior Alexander but Napoleon refused their aid During
the second Pune var Hannibal spent three years in tia
IS hu be sought aid from the Roman slaves. Profit
gate 'Ssline and an sious as he was 10 raise
large army and obtain power he declined the AID osthe
Toman slaves who tocEed by thousands his STANDARD
ou have eclpsed them Your generals and your armies
IN then esr 10 re store fraternal relations between the
North and tie SOUTH have done all they could destroy
slavery Slaves have been stolen by Thousands Sessed
ard drilled equpped-=na organized, and compelled TO
doh, against their former masters 10 insult their families
| and pilllge and burn their houses
Lincou--Why Sir you must recoect that these things
were doe from MILITARY NECESSITY and under the power
70 carry waf and in order more speedily to crash the
febes;0
Barnam-giilitaTy necessity No military necessity
iusty deeds OF such airocity We Northern people
With twentytss millions unable TO conqut seven
millions white people at the South without hTi steal
ing their slaves and forcing them 70 fgh in our behal6
Tie confession is not only mortneng but Illuminating.
lie South l. differently situated. She il acting eatirey
on the defensive and Il the South should decide 20
Der slaves repel INVASION this might well be de-
Tended on the ground Of military necessity.
Iincolu-Bc these things as thsy may. believe you
viii concur With me in the opinion that the Scnth Is ex-
haust,d aad that tile rebellion viii be crushed during the
next sixty days.
Blrnrm-No SIR The resources Of the South great.
Afer four wears Of war the Sonh can now put half
million Of white in the Geld. Her people ere brave
ana patriotic, resolute ana united They have treated
YOUR schemes Of conscation1nd emancipation with con-
tempt AMI scoTn Rather than submit TO degradation or
va:Saase they will fight until they IRE annihiated--
Yonr violation Of all the usageS Of prevalent among
yzed nations has augmented ter desire for separation
AID independence Your policy. is successful wosld run
the South and Union thus restored would be tic greatest
Of all political mOckefies
L0sOir What S0use, then apreasSt0 you most judi
BaInun. Negotiation for peace. II you unwilling
to acknowledge the southern cne1eraey and ettle the