New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1865-01-30

Which might he styled Bull In China shop" l"r
the noise it makes The very animal d discussion
which it 10 the occasion If rcvving here OF the old
Of separation ~ Church and State has brought
out 30 many public advocaes the affirmative side,
that ought perhaps tn qualify what said lust week AZ
to the small minority Of such in France. But Am sorry
TO still persist in believing despite outside Appearances
that the proportion OF Frencnmen earnestly DESTROYS OF
a real separation OF Church AMI State-,uch once
ruled for little while IN France under the Constitution
~ the year ILL., Of tie old Republic and rules 70 day
in the United Staes-is very small compared tn the
whole tk " seven millions. and not prep,ndcrlnt even
ia the more or less lbcr ntrl gent minority Of them.
Ia this party IL &c proper styled party. ar, by no
means ~ included al III IS, whom re ElcYclic has
surprised offended erieseJ. disguised M1re or less
jb,4a C.thoics ike Montal, inherit and FIloux (whosc
ie, ,lsn it condemns along with frrc.mas'nry, athc.
ism. bible societies. nonntervenIion etc., or Ike
iessegnenrs the Gacan Bishop. do not belong t. H.
Cons rvativcs Of oil sorts thoughtful and thougtlcss.
10 not belong n 1t. Not al liberals. advanced. rev"u.
ionnry liberals helng 10 il. was on the point o.
saying as spc king Of bulls. that m,ny Of its own
members do belong 10 II. They Adopt tie formula.
A free church in free Sst".' ~ tito. bat inter.
pret 1t into church licensed by tho STATE reguted oy
he stats. ciurci nil manner Of cInrc,rs. let abso
utly II me bless curse. rreach pray at wall; It's
subjects utterly igrnrcd il their O. iy1' church m,n
rs In their spiritual relations with the higher pwers
" the earthly states poyer-very few comp ratively
Frercimen are ready to nc 'ept such state O
ngs ~ good in theory and If thea, few but few are
eady for 1t In practice They lac rspecGbc
.imorous fjlSs "pr Ic;cil" f,k-now mostly dying
ui-whp with rs we're a much opposed to STA cry AZ
ybody' fore 1850 bit dre,lct IN, fanatcis;n Of
1rne ipes the I'm ,'ics u" 81 logic and CHING to ngi
i've 81 I'VE Laws and com promises and other fugitive ex
Jcdicnts.
There Is jpnrnal In Paris organ OF tho thorough
going. logical Utram"nanes L Monde. who's" editor Il
ot afraid VI his opinions lie writ's: Accorln: to
he d ctrine Of this Encyclic liberalism is error; 1t
,llows rum this tnt every ID raj 0hc 1ics are the
iito) being pirtlssn VI h5rdisa. necessarily falls
lndcr the reprobation VI tue Eac.c ic. Hcnce'o'th
.hercforc there will be moro liberal Ctthrct-:hc
ond smnation ofliorralls mpo3es In every Carti,n
1r Catholic the duty Of longer calling himsc Iibe
al II is Idle u try 10 equyucatcby Distinguishing the
rue from the C,is lib,r. Tho Po,e makes 40 distnc
ioa. ctr. ETC. This Mndt Is frank. clear AMI ngi'
u Ia the Alex ,ndr Stephens was In that other
asc; and there ones VINO anticipate from
Ibis frank AMI fat definition of the Pope his position on
he great question Of Modern Civilization and It's sub
rdinlte or auxiliary questions. Wells hostile
amps. and fir. op-n decisive war brtwe'n progress
and re,rogr sdes Th'y will b. dIsappoiaed--tlese
'angnnc The olse, not 2lralcL though there
undoubtedly anrogs between Alex 'nder Stnrhen'.
lis new dogma oftho hnness 81 slavery mot entered
uponr the eighty co,drma.d mod ,rn errors Of the Pa
al dialogue and the Popes nealy edited Syllabus or
complete catalogue Of VIA, detail he has already and
he church always condemned.
For is to he noted smoag other things. thu, 70 the
4 Il .uIle n
he unorg ,is-d Ia IT, tho m",tn Of whose uncertain
Iontng rig 1. the Church IRE. IA the IRE" Stlie' Is
o be added the SAFE int Napoleon u.d desire tie
independence ~ the 81 in the Chgrca u, least 81 the
extent Lous XIV attained IT, I. nataral enoIch; but
eparuiion II the be the 'st u his dc' r"s
Three days after tho eosp daas be issued BIS dlct,
rial decree transf1rnins III, third time tic rev
ulntiunary Pantheon intn q Catholic ChuTci again.
thus be showed his hand 10 tie Church and higher
clergy who In return played into his, and secured lis
akng that Trick aud winning his great game. From
51 to Is5g he rppail their yilly important ,id to him
" sidng them appointing during that time for tac
nost pant utramontag guards Ia al Episcopal Sees
aing vlcart. There no question OF gratitude IN
he mutually profitable bIrgaiu. thongh each ?'T!y
claimed frvm the oihcF servecaby gratefully "cknovl
sgments and. long bcforr the elise Of tbs period His
MAI sty Ind 70 resist the epcroaching shades Of eps
copal violet the brillllncc u the imperial purple
With The Italian war the contrast Of colors became
rore strkn NJ. Tue Bishops saw with loech ocnrac's
WIN, Napoleon did not sce-thet 1t the brsnniag
outbreak II an rreprcasb'o conf CT between Nniy asd
the Papacy temporal powers. since then TIE diSsr'
sion between him ana them has boon widening bu, III &C
then all his nominations bisa pri,s have beer
II lcan clcrgymcn Tie proportion OF IL sc t. tac
Cltramontancs less than half to-day say. ronealv
20 out II the ~ nice classification wolll show curl
Gus f.ren noes and Of the Bishops would appear
in more than one iist. thus. Monscisneur Dupanhnp
81 Orleans is onaoaty progrcss't in many rrpccts
IN all respects where his natural character rs mar has
free plays he Is SG,olconst in pp'cs ~ no showed
himself IN LIST Years elections brilliant and vigorous
opro.ition pimphcteer accepting and using universal
suffrage in the Interest his fiyor,c candidates: on
other occasions he has shown himself vigorous imp.
ctcer and lpnpt stamp speaker In ndvoc 'ey OF the
Popes Italian, teIrtoi temporarily b,t he is Gal
oan utter sort-o9e 4; taosc condemned ty impiies'
ion, In tho Encycic and in L. Monde and OF those
Bishops content probably 60 be relieved VI the rmbr
rastmcnt Ia the caro- by the Governments oider pro
bbitiny Bishops from pubishine commenting on the
Encycc: that H. from publishing or commenting on H.
in tlcir specially episcopal capacity. 10 Bishops as to
the ret Of the world the columns Of newspapers arc
! frco-that Il. free ss they are To the rcst-tIr
ven,iariny their opinions ON tie subject. Properly
speakpg there IL ro freedom In the matter. Freedom
Is like the Church, .n:ablify bank note or woni-
ans chss,y-it IS or it Ia not iibcr, OF the press
that is permitted m nfaliibiy that muy be reasoned
about bank note that partly counterfeit wife that
Is generally faithful 90 the iage bed. arc oil onc
As matter Of fot more room hrs been granted ~ the
hostile thnn tn the friendly commentators in the press