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The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
County Bounty.

Eds. JOURNAL: We understand that the
Supervisors Of tho County Of kanawha have
made several Intellectual attempts to moot fol-
tho purpose Of considering the propricty OIL
allowing county bounty for persons enlist
ing in tho United States service under the
present call; and VIC presume, from their
making this the object Of their mcs.in. that
they will not hesitate in making tho allow.
once. This is o subject Of paramount i'm.
portance, and should DO at once attended to.
" The laborer i, ,rorthy Of ha hire" and no who
offers himself up, living sacrifice at the shrine
Of his country, should be remunoratcd for his
services, so far MS it can be donc by dollar,
and cents and by the we'll wishes Of I'm ever
grateful people. What is fifteen thousand
dollars tax, whom our country, our homes and
our honor arc at stalker Did not the County
Court in '6l tax tho county that amount for
tho support of the rebellion, and shall We, in
our zeal to support tho Union, be less liberal
than they, in their zeal to support the tyranny
Of Davis7 But what mill become Of the poor
asks one: "Ye have tho poor With you al
wnys;" butthe defenders Of your country &c
have not always.
Tho people Of Kanawha, at tho last Presi.
Dental election, almost unanimously endorsed
the administration Of our present Chief Magis.
trate. This they did at the ballot box, and
now lot US give them an opportunity to en-.
dorse it still further BY on out.pouring Of
their treasure, BY IN uumurmuring acquies.
ceuec In the laying Of tax for its support,
which No have no doubt thoy will do, for We
arc informed that many Of tho moro wealthy
men in Charleston have signed petition
praying tho adoption Of the measure. If the
wealthy who pay tho principal part Of the
Tux are anxious for the measure, would it not
look like injustice and treason for the poor
man to deny tho soldier his rights, and with.
hold from tho Government his support
Let tho Supervisors then adop. that meas
u,e at once, which tho people, ono md all,
rich and poor, with fcw exceptions, most
arden,ly desire; aud let them remember that
they ARC working for future generations, to
whom their record will DO transmitted,
whethor it be good or whether it be evil; and
lot Thorn say, through their records, 10 tho un-
born mul:itudes who shall review their acts,
that they have not been remis, in coming up
to tho line Of their duty, in lending helping
hand TO the suppression Of the great rebellion.
Neither should they turn deaf ear 10 tho
poor whom they have cried for food, nor
suffer the soldisr or his family, "to bog Bit
ter bread through realms his valor saved"
~. t'. vo1 PoPULI.
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
OH Has Been Found!

Since our las. notes on oil, wo haro had
quite An interesting. development Of the real
sxis.oaeo Of oil here. On cleaning out an
old sale well about ~ miles this side OF NAL
den, oil came bubbling up in considerable
quantities, at the rate Of about Two barrels
pr day without pumping. This o!rWas found
to 20 about 40 in density. The river rising
ever the vol, which was balor high water
mark, aud freezing over, nothing has been
done for some dayA. But the above, which is
entirely reliable. proves that ne hare OIL and
in quantities.
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
Taxation.

We copy tho following just suggestion,
from the Clsrksburg Telegraph. We would
add our own voice in behalf Of the people Of
Kanawha and vicinity, to that Of our neigh
Dor, praying that tho Legislature will give
attention to the subject. The times now press
hard upon those who live by their labor, for
which they get but little more than they did
whom living only cost one..hird or onc-half as
much NJ it does now:
"We wish to mako few suggestions to our
legislators in regard to taxation. We deem
our present system Of taxation oppressive to
the poorer classes Of people. All property is
taxed. Tho rich mans carriage and the poor
mans cart come in alike for taxation, ms does
tho rich mans bloodad horse and tho poor
mans pig. The piano and the " heel for spin.
ming asx are recipients Of tho same attention
from tho assessor. Thore can certainly DO n
less oppressive system devised.
awe believe that thcro arc but few States in
tho Upion in which this universal system Of
taxation is prac,iced, and wo arc sorry to sec
that our now State government continues this
fossili1ed relic Of tho State from which she
has 90 recently severed herself. Tho poor
man who gains his bread by his daily labor
should have his household goods, bis pigs,
poultry and COWS exempted from taxation.
"We think our legislators should give thi,
subject serious consideration. Old Virginia
taxed her people after tho English model.
Lat West Virginia tax hers after free Amer
lean model. Let tho poor man who has but
little hare that little undisturbod, and not
liable 10 DO seized BY q rapacious exeiseman.
"We believe that good system Of taxation
would be as follows: Let eapitation tax be
assessed upon all males between tho ages Of
twenty-ouo and ffsy years. Then tax NIL
real estate, pleasure carriages, pianos, jeuelry.
aud all privileges, but let 6ro hundred dollars
worth OF household furniture, stock, &C., DO
exempt In tho hunds Of each man, provided he
has 10 much. This would relieve poor men
who earn . support Tor their families by their
daily. toll and such - have 10 ront land Of q
xrsat burden. We indulge in the hope that
our Legislators will take this matter into
serious consideration.
aThis amount Of 6ve hundred dollars would
be exempt in the hands Of the rich AZ we'll as
eoor. Suoh An arrangement would add but
ii.tIo 70 tho burden Of taxes which foil on the
rich while il would relieve the poor Of great
weight. There is something pleasant in con-
tsuplating tho institutions Of . State that has
certain speelea OF property exempt from tax
alton. = So. 60 ="
~One other matter should also receive thc
attention Of our present Legislasure--shat is
the license paid by booksellers. In order to
encourage the-acquisition Of useful knowledge
all book merchant. should be relieved from
taxation. Useful books should no brought
within the reach Of all 1t a. cheap ratio Ms
.,ossihle. Let taxation fall az lightly on tho
noeS ~ possible, and lot them obtain knowl-
edss - ehesply ~ 7ossible." $50"
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500 a Month for Soldiers.

We take the following from the Cincinnati
Gazette, showing how Veterans are now paid
for rs.enlistins. Enlistluents arc still rcceir.
ed in lIancock's Veteran Corps, md trans.
portation, &C., will be furnished BY applying
to Capt. Smith at Point Pleasant: "s. e..
Ii there is anything that pays better than
soldering, in the way OF wages, for daily OF
weekly laber, Nc don know whattis 10. Look
At it: Recruits for the First Army Corps, who
must be veteran soldiers, receive the follow.
ing for one years service: go
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.'..:,s..,Fla,w;,,;a:Th oughts:

-. .,ora,AI:-Judslug from PFe's iii
,,. . II reo. lens tills0fr lanu 4
o's.'.s - rs.echo with tue pleasant ''aAus
Wv ps,e. - Every where our army seems , II.
" fe.s'; rhons, in, Tennessee; Sherman IN u.
, ,s Of Georgia; Sheridan in the '"'I ror.
doah Valley = and Porter and a'st'
Fisher. ..,,s,,ps.. -.
: CIV. !. d,mruins cloud Ne nna'
Viii, III. nsxs, with speed Of hGn'"'"s' -.
.. -R,,,b,, on The Nations Mind
c.,n, IA aid to hare the rebellion Oy INC
i, s,., and if h. i, abl. to 10 nothing more "
=: ~ y. boncl be will hold it steady WINE
sherman q rarragut s Co. beat the life out o.
II. then NO may expec. the fall OF 'ne se's'
cani,a,, and the end Of the great rs0e.i''I'
u;.sour; il. free! The soul of old J0nn
p.o1n or rather the Spirit Of Liberty -
boldly marching on. Tennessee has i0l'0"e1,
anil or. long the whole South will be looSea
~ the car Of Freedom. Aud for the SAKE o.
tn. prosperity of tho South, and on O'."'' y.
hr,ar;,y, | say, I" God speed tie tine" Leu
il Como quickly " ..
Break the yoke OF vile oppression
For ',Is God that speaks the word
l.. tn. world poin, TO this naaon'
A, the chosen Of the Lord
Let The nations Join the chorus
And rep.a, from shore 10 shore,
slavery 1, f.llen-ls falen-ls hlieni
Slavery l, fallen to rise no norei
who would have thought, when Rev. MIR.
Bew!y WAS hanged and men were drive" IRON
the Southwcs, like sheep by pack OF wolves
because ,u,pected Of entertaining abolition remit
u..,,. .ha, Missouri would so soon become 40
thoroughly uboli.ioni.ed? Or when old Ia
Their Green MAS tried by Charleston mas.S'
tra,e, aud, l believe, consigned to JAIL 10
await final trial; because 1ome one reported
him rs taking to himself on the highway, upon
tn. subicc. Of Slavery, that West Virginia
would so soon become free State? Sat 10
ever conquer the right and Justice, under 'hE
providence Of God.
Though III, ways We cannot know;
All bis foes lie strikes with bllu!ness,
That He may their ea%se o'e,tArow.
Tho Supreme Court having recognized tho
existence Of the new State" there can DC M
further question upon that subject West w
giinia i, Gred ftet. And It will De glor!
enough for ono lifetime To have had hand II
making it So envy those men who, through
evil report and good report, stood firmly b!
principle and fought nobly through the storm
till they brought. tho darling enterprise t
perfection. Though n child Of storm" thes
devoted friends haro gained for her ptae
among her fair sisters-a heritauce in TIT
diadem Of the Union. What contrast be
tween these men and those who sought t
drug West Virginia into the vortex Of tn
rebellion! Whom the wSr closes, these mel
will be honored--coming generations vii! cal
them blessed; while those will receive IN
excavations Of mankind, like the Tories nftc
tho Revolution! Oh, how hateful Secession
will become! II. 5.
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

Senators Henderson and Brown Addressed
the Senate, at length, last Wednesday af,er.
noon, on retaliation upon rebel prisoners in
our hands, and were 10 be followed bv Jobn.
son in IN elaborate speech. The majority are
IN favor Of adopting some new system viii
respect 10 prisoners, and are offering ,innu.
merable amendments to the original rc.oiu-
ton, but do not approve Of the un,ui,ioatcd
baroarltie' practised by the enemy, In ,Sc
meantime, it is believed a general erchn INV W..
will DO effected. ~~'Au"ge
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
.5S Hnhiishers,; Z Convention:

We heartily second the motion, of the Point
Pleasant Register for Convention Of Ill the
publishers: in the Ssstelr, 70: s:fntxsts-
burg 10 March next. We believe thorough
mutual. understanding: aud uniformity OF
:n.;s.s would DO OF grea. advantage to us and
to ID. interests oil. education. There is. much
xsrk fer. tho press 70 do in our new State,
and .xe should mako "a long pull, and .
strong pull and pull al together" VIC
would suggest Saturday, March 18th, as the
DAY, and let there DO atuH approximation.
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
.znSloTfda INCONVENIENCE

l. What Is the reason that we cannot nave
public schools in Ksnaxha couasyf:'wh1ltaes
there i. no.. les sa than 900 norin u. State
Treasury belonging tethe school fund q. h e
county & and:a lsr has been ia force orr syss'
requiring the County Superintendent to draw
upon tho auditor ior. This laH' .Paass4
December 8, 1868, appropri.tes al the revenue N.
arisinr FROM eapitatiout TAI for tho years 1851
1852, and 1868, for the use Of the schools in
the county. in which said ta1-mas.raissd, and
requires the County superintendent to draw
Gudr apply tito tho use Of public schools
acc riding to the School Law then in force.
,RAy was ihis-not done7.,g:.. ,..,.,.z.,
2. What reason can the said School Super.
inteudent give for discoura:iug o proposed
Sc. tlcnent With, and examination into the
school funds due 70 the several districts from,
the County slerifs since The year 1859, and
under tho old systern? a committee Of three
WAS appointed by the County Board TO make
such settlement but they were told that 1t
could not be done. aud they had better watt
notr i,hstandiug the present Sheriff was ready
aud anxious to settle. ,..... - .. -.. -
8. How is II that orders were issued on the
Sheriff by said Superintendent In February,
1864, ito be paid out Of the fund Of 1863 t0'
services iu teaching that were rendered in
1859, when 4 law passed on the goth day oil
- % u
July, 1868, (scren months before,l expressly
forbids the payment Of claims for services
rendered prior 10 September 80, 1907
Alas the preseu, Superintendent examined
all The school.houscs in the several sc0o0l
districts Of the county, in connection with the
local School Commissioners, md pronounced
upon their fitness for school purposes, IS re-
auired by the present Free School Law
s.. Has sold Superintendent not discouraged
the organization Of the new school sy'tem in
this county, saying there arc no finds to
commence with, when the funds for tao year
1864 arc now over due and will be fottheom
ing by the time the schools could be put into
operati.n n, lin case he has forwarded the GNU
meration Of youth required by the new law, as
wo are led to hcleve)7 Aud also notwith
standing there is about $4,000 in The S.".'
Treasury belonging to thi, county, aad which
has been, we believe, subject 10 his order fo'
moro than a year, besides $4,000 due The
schools from the several County ShcrifIs since
1859. :-.,-:..... g.. .. .......
6. Has he used " ali proper means Is create
and foster an interest in FREQ schools anon:
the people," or has he 20. rather discouraged
such intsrcs. by his inactiou and discoaragnG
the action Of others interested
7. Have the Township Commissioners elect
ed last Spring, performed oil or any Of .hci'
duties under the laW3
8. Who is township Clerk for Charleston
Township? -
We would respectfully request Information
in regard to these queries. Will our neighbo
answer shem7
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
70 IRENE.

s. ~ 10y *. .',f
!, ,,,n,a /, no. li., the sweetest up !.
!: t rSl...i. ki,.ed n.|'oo;,. ,ns zip 8
Z 1sll from the young ro,e. Duo. ''f
., The mornings clear, cold a." -;
=, clasp hand, though soft and T''" '
nor re eis.' it pressed nin' srai Z
-,rd ra,h.r love the perfect '0r~
Carved on, Of pnrian st0n'.
1xoula no, worship eyes, though
= And perkliay' they % 1;.in w. li.a.
On me-aud only me- -
r.,,f had stamped divine O.. =.
1,II,u, dreamed his love was gwen
10 other hear's.,hau mine ,c,orr
jan. 1865. 49,
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
Total compensation for one ye,r Al 241

- -. :. - WV 3S81I VIZ
or this amount. $500, more than half ia
paid in advance, before the soldier leaIes
home-enough to support his family tho year
no will DO absent. These very liberal induce.
mcnts are attracting the attention Of veterans,
and now thut they can be enlisted in this
city, ut either Provost Marshals Office, mus.
tered into companies at Columbus, and get
their advance bounty in hand, they ore 70.
porting themselves for service o, very lively
rate,
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

We SOC tho Inquirer" comes To tho rescue
Of the Republican, BY propounding somc very
profound, personal questions. We have no
room to answer this week, but will cheerfully
do 50 next We propose getting Dr.. Summers,
alia, IA Lincoln Voter" to help US. We
hereby do tho R.pubGean the justice Of cor
recting tho impression given BY. US, that its
Editor was "a Lincoln Voter" -. -. ...
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

.,n.., man xLe pats g 81. e.. . ::
TIC oe'' - . T,n,n.h. 10, ,.,sMA
w. - :, go: uce Ina
msS who fssrths ~ ger lhn stettf ID ~
,biaE ofnegls GhnR that Il MIR, 3:
i"9su a ): A;I$n1iah1 TiIila S;:sS:
psfSdr!k .s:...: GLesN
read II in Inv nenSPsP " na9sr bst
r.ll o business: man - k,n nov - ttlllS,n
~: IN :, new new cuStomSIS II b wlR:EfST
pieA .d,.rt,,o.. for .hy, n.sl..,;;.;::
pains 70 ,-....: =. ~. 49,
means OF securing jaw ~ w. ~ 4
his profits. .
nh. New York Sun has ths follox!lf ., n.
,s,,,., Of advertising: ssrT319f
ad'ah'D ~: ,,.its ~. ,y,.ijsslIlL$
| ITO p," prov" cher methods Of nsii". . ..'
!sins, o.t vSoWn rs iiis :eoinnGS y:nssS:.
Oui. 10 instance the many JarSstortssss 49,
Taro been derived from-a Iystematie esef1i Il
Advertising gToa ",.';n NJ, aI.. t;SSIens,f
this 1on.,nIN II million Of doilor,. s,t; SS
nov ;' ,"se.si 10 advertising, xhiek: began I'd
ANAL notices, in the S '1 : " TeNnoend, and
many Others, arc maHs nc. pss,. shortly
after Inc ,S,; liz expelsiS NUT b1l SSi+,sS ~
c." S "ncoriingiy gave orders 70 one Of III.
NV ,h,t lis advertisements IN tie Rs
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

Tur 18Th VI. voLs.-we 'na ', ,no 18Th 18TH
=, ~" po;n, pleasan. Register, that tue 'S ";
the ,. IT'D nssimcn, is cucamped on the bII','
''rs'n n:' ' .no o,ils cas-. Of Cumberland Md,
Tn v.I how. sre generally we'll and hearty; ANU n'
~, , w, or packages for the" should O'
,;rca,ed TO Cumberland. ..r...'>
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01
Sale Of Valuable Town, I,optxl!

THE CHARLESTON EXTENSION coNrASY. h.y,as
purchasei aud laid on IN Town Lots OF ali ,i,.s he
Clnrkson Fam. Elk River, and adjoining Chasies.
ton. now oilers such lots for sale the moo, seeomo.
dating teupI. s..
These lot. beautifully located on III. b,ntt o. Yit
River, which ho~s. clear and COOL from The pipsrll
laden mountains Of West Virginia. ,- 49,, 80
rs u'ees. 70 attempt TO give, in detail, the superior
Charleston; which s deitinsd, no distant psrjsI. -
State. n.y." ~~~ uO'NS
The mineral resources Of this portion of n. Y.,.s.
valley are tneAhaustibe. Coal on Iron Gc. m. found
~ abundance; manufacturing establishments. q an
Hlnd, must soon nnd permanent place in or .s1s.
an tsese ou arc peculiarly adapted tia, purpo1I
XEk, At the Pest ONCE. l5-s - - 80" - '',
January. lses.-noIl.3m See. Tn.,' - r. -.
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

Forts ca,erell and Campbell have been
blown up and abandoned BY the rebels, leav-
ing 1852 guns, including those captured at
Fort Fisher. Our total losses arc ITO killed
and 535 wounded. =, '',.'. ..."....
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

IF, AvcriIl, Esq, has kindly sent W a.
letter from tho Commissioners 0, , ~. ~,
Rev., in regard to tho stamp duty on OIL
,.,,cs. which vii! ,in,ere', man! Of 0"'
's. ,Da whish we will publish neS'
work
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

n@4 We see that Dir. Bowen, in the Senate,
proposes to introduce the Biloxi Laws, which
Illinois has just abOli,hed, into Vest Virginia
What FORT -.-. 10. ....:...-..... 49, .,a,...
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

~ They have besn having good sleighinr
fer, : week or two, in Cincinnati
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" NOTICEi::.t;

HEREBY NOTIFY ALL PERSONS NOT 10 rktUR
Tor certain Note Of hand for the sun n g pi1,r
c!a"n n I.vor OF Allen Smith. and sEainst $500
my HoHa EdS oLkaton-ths said. Allen snita; 49,
Se.nso me said note under flse pr.tenses NJ 49,
aae November l7th 1854. and sier back mt br
authority. T., =, NJ SnS " 14 GstsT
Goals NorH, ". Va, Jan. ., issSGnor, q >
The West Virginia journal. [volume] (Charleston, W. Va.) 1864-1877, 1865-02-01

:!ss.>-@:sss
!, .i.:...s :ss::;; + WOULD NOT
The Wheeling daily register. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1864-1878, 1865-11-29

equally jealous ia tho cafe of any other
person than Treasury agent is matter
for some reflection We trust that the
radicals viii not call Judge BusTEED "a
copperhead," as it has been their custom
heretofore to designate every man who
desired to maintain the supremacy of civ.
illaw. In the name and for the sake OF
"the copperhead party" we protest
against being classed with such men as
BUsTEED. q LEttE
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IHE RlCHMOND MEDICAL

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| L JOURNAL, RICHMOND, VIRGINIA -
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as the Editors offer to pay literally for articles,
It is hoped that the original department of the
journal will be entitled to respect and conf.
dence
The pages of the Journal will be devoted to
Original Articles. Foreign and Domestic Cores.
pondence, a Retrospect Of Medicine and Surge.
ry during the late war, an Eclectic Department
(Which will be chief feature of the Journal. !
Reports of Societies Associations, Hospitals
and Clinical Lectures Reviews and Biblioeranb
ical Notices, Medical News Editorials, MisceI.
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Without making special promises, the F3itors
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New York City Reform.

The politicians of New York City are
having four cornered fight over the
Mayoralty and OTHER municipal offices
New York politics have always been en-
veloped in mystery too thick for the pen
etration OF outsiders, and between "Mo.
Fart" and "M'Keon" and "Tammany"
and the various other factions that strug-
gle for supremacy in Gotham, it is ex-
ceedingly difficult to tell which is
which," At present, all parties are
shouting Justify for reform, leach trying
to drown the noise created by all the
rest. 1t is little singular that this re-
form string is harped upon regularly be-
fore every election and the reform can
didates are regularly chosen, but the
same necessity for reformation continu.
ally exists. The Louisville Democrat
moralizes upon the subject thus:
Greeley is mighty on reform. He was
equally SO in the lpast. Opdyke, one of
his pets. was to teach honesty Co the me-
tropolis. He was exposed by Thurlow
Weed, aud sued for his character, and
the jury shought it was not worth any
thing. They, perhaps, decided that it
would be blessing if he could lose the
character he had. Maybe the jury
thought he was honest, and had no bust
ness to be so, and wouldn't give him any
thing for it, At any rate there was more
need of reform than ever, and now the
professors ofhonesty are quite strong in
their hopes. Better not trust 'em. Peo-
pie that have much honesty to speak of
have very little for any other purpose
They are generally so fepd of their hon
esty that they never use it, They take
precious good care of it, so that it never
comes out