Daily State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1861-1865, 1865-03-11

know tia. BY any intelligep. man be would be
charged as disloyal-
Q Do you define disloyalty as synonymous
With tressoni
A no. sir; GO no, 50 define Il; 1 do not think
disloyalty can 60 90 far.
O. Do you think this opinion Of the LOYALTY oil
Judge Morris Is from your own conviction, or
from bis reputstioni
A.-Pesbsps / ought - say that il u chiefly
from nv OEn convictions and conversation With
him; it has bern . topic OF conversation frequent
ly Re be- been charged with sympashif;ng sitb
the south: that was the charge make against him;
and whenever 70 was made IN nv presence, have
always examined the ground OF the opinion, or
charge, 10 ascertain what was meant.
q. Then. j. not this The fact, that II you had
answ cred TIE question az TO what his reputation
in the community was, would you not have had
to answer that bis reputation that Of gym
pathizer with the southern states that have sc
cededl
A Ny answer would have been that be never
sympaihzed with the southern rebellion. Judge
Morris was southern man by birth, SIS / under
stand; and re sympathzed with the southern
mind have doubt.
@. Was not his reputation that OF man sym
| pathizing with the southern rebelIionf
A Ii was with certain class.
@ Was this class 8 majority. or minori-
tyf :.
A. 1t wasa decided minority; it was only with
| what might be called the extreme or radical re
publicans / have been charged. myself, with
being a 81 mpathizer with the south.
@. Have you not been q democratf
| A No, sir, | was whig before you were
born. | never affiliated with the democratic par
~ in the slightest
@ Did you vote for Mr. Linconf
A did. sir; n 1860 and 1854 am war
man; from the beginning have been opposed to
ter never can be settled except by force--by
war.
i Q. Did Judge Morris hold the same viewsg
A. No sir, i do not think he did. | think
Judge Morris has been a man of peace; his opn
ion has been that the matter ought to have beer
settled by pesce-by compromises. and be-
lieve tina. loyal man can be in favor o.
peace
O. Peace at all hszardsf
A think that who is convinced in hi
own mind that this country can never be unitet
bv war. NAV be loyal man and still be opposed
TO war.
q That does not quite meat the question.
want to know If, with your estimate of LOYALTY
E you would admit a man to be loyal who woul'
consent TO pc ce on the terms of separation from
this government; would you class such mai
: as loyal or Gsl0yalI
A / understand loyalty TO consist in ODE
dence TO the government and the law / ca
only repeat what said before. that il a man
I convinced in his own mind that by thi
n country can be united--if this is his homes
conviction-he may be in favor of peace an
still be a loyal man.
u Surprising we are at war with foreign nation
i il would not be pretended that a man might b
e for peace and yet be loyal man; if he was sa
A fed that the Continuance OF The war would 0nl
add TO the expenditure of treasure and blooo
g and be of no benefit to the country, be certainl
o could be an advocate for peace aud still be loy
J. al man. So it NAV be, | apprehead. in the Cas-
g of the rebellion. tina, ii man is satisfied in b
+, own mind that his county cannot be united
u war-and perhaps there is who has no
d at some time during the past five years, ha
I doubts forced upon his mind--he may be in fave
of peace and yet be a loyal
. @ Under that rule would not every soldie
o 10 the rebel army be entitled to be called 10y.
Is msni
4 A. No, sir.
Q Does be not honestly believe that by W.
- this country cannot again be unitedf
A The rebels. have always maintained, too
'e up arms against the government without an
y Cause. No wrong had been done them b. th
- government: no right of person or property ma
been violated. They own obedience to the COY
e eminent and to the law. and when they took U
arms they committed treason against the govern
1 ment; they. therefore, subjected themselves
~ all the pains and penalties OF treason 1t is di
fcult for me To understand that their position
n precisely similar to that of man OF peace. VIII
J. believes that a continuance of the war will en-
in the rupture and ACKNOWLEDGMENT of the couI
j. try. My answer, therefore, is that rebels in arm
# are not loyal; but can understand that a ma
n OF peace may be loyal, though opposed to tn
further prosecution of the war
10 @ Ii then occurs whether such man is loyl
to the government
70 A. | think if a man obeys the laws and is 90,
n dent to the sanctions and mandates of the col
n stItuton, that be may be in favor of peace, tbs
he is not disloyal man.
Q. But supposiDg be is in favor of peace an
n separation 2
h A say that man who is in favor Of separs
. ton. and wants separ alton. and is doing anythip
to effect separation is disloyal man. But al
d speaking of q man who is passive. who is a goo
: citizen, obeying the law. aid who is giving n
aid and comfort TO the enemy.
IS O. But suppose that a citizen advocates tia
terms of pesce should be made with the rebels o
g the basis OF separation; does not every man VIII
: acts upon such a conviction take one from thos
e who would subdue the rebellion. and to just ,ha
e extent weaken the government
A have no doubt tha, sill those men do, I
. q certain extent, weaken the administration
the prosecution OF the war. / have always beer
opposed so such men but at the same time d
u not consider that il il NV province to charg
u men with dsloyalty, simply because of certai
belief which may have entered their mind.
Judge Morris and | have differed politically, nc
only in reference to the rebellion and the meas
, ures for suppressing il, the Critienden compro
O mise, but almost on everything else; certainl
with everything Ike compromise with those i
arms against the government.
: @ Did Judge Morris belong TO what is calle
! the peace wing OF the democratic partyi
I A | think he did. in this respect; that h
thought the war ought TO eni and that the diff
> Guilty ought to be compromised. | believe h
q held the opinion that the difficulties between tn
north and south could be settled by compro mise
c and in that respect, he was always peace man
0 as | understand
= q Did he carry that peace belief 20 the ex
e tent OF peace at all hazards-even to the exten
4 OF conceding to them their Independence?
e A No' that know of; my impression is tina
I he never did
D Q Did you ever hear him speak upon tha
q point?
r A. His conversation with me was always in
. consistent With the dismemberment Of til
country.
G Q Did he say that in anv contingency be va
i wiling TO fight this to the end in case Their
e could be no COMPROMISED
al A. he always has been in favor Of neace