, 1865-11-23
TEE FEN1ANS AFTER TIE EDfTO1
OF THE NEW YORK TINES, =:
Proposition for A Fsshs.

t.eAted sections Of this country, hzss been cs;oed
into making sennsttaneea TO the 1nAnekeFs Of the
Sn ne19 srd sua y; nss 91c sn eh,r II n3
nosa thsu nafntatnine set Of scanuns in idieaess.
stoTies cork ID n d ieaaistaacae of Fenisn fnnds
10 1reand- Mort Of these stories arc doubtless In
tended 70 show t5st The contEibat,ons Eeeeve5 ass
actually eapenaea lor s9me H. enc; sTsn
an aonest snas n inu .nn%9 NstE s ~ ..1S
: Isw Tots jI.sdyised Jorps people 10 islf,
for apy o6er u ~ purposa ~ ihsn catna notofiety md
patent leathes boots iot = tet q ialsns y this
position 70 sogMe the nnsophuueated People 1n
tns snlM oSe, ~ y 1ao lent !. & " ue y,
hnisier m he concctn eTen "a Ioke. The cierHY
on whoso administrations The 1rlah-Amencsns
chiefly depend, sre probably doing thelE oest e e
SOP Sne ~ "a. EsefJ 1a1 wns .sa = "cn
n,siI 1shsf ~ y. ~ p naisd ,nostn,c
EpT;9sss poTfs2s siss i,satortsls Sor. - II
M. K1111Ay ro NM RAYMOND.
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Mf. k1han presents 1is compliments 70 AZ.
naYHmono, uao ashs ~ peitan ~ Lolonsl o3uu
UMahony, P1es1oent o. t1c Fenlan otTa9lsa, ~
uon, resfaetion ltom az. Naynona o. a.,
STATEMENTS o. personal @ Gnatastet l. emooulso I
~ I'M M as.Gio eatasta ~ ~ r,aa rsn'an
t'aEs aUsas1 st1 = M s1loa Y ~ tss Rs.o, ~
eas On; I. NJ with aTiew OF tasshesins his Oh
J'lI. Nan. yor,, Noro,,,or 4, 1pnz -.
@'s" ,Ao1A' NoeeAoct -, loo''
AA" hA1 1MoSDs HsfLf-
Tho editor Of the Times aeknoW Wledgcs the
receipt Of Mr. Ki1lian's note. He tcgs to say
In reply that rs the article referred to embod-
les merely an expression OF opinion concern
ground Tor either demanding or making
"rctraction," !" except upon the submission Of
such facts as shall lead to change Of such
opinion. y
The editor Of the Times Will be very happy
to receive, consider md lf desifed) to publish
any such facis Which ~. hilllan or any one
else nay wish fo submit to n1m.
MR. HLL1AS TO stR. RAYMOND
NEW YoAK, November Is, 1HGs
Mr.. KiltIan has received and read Mr., Ray
mond's reply to Mr, O,Mahony's application
for retraction Of tsatatcnents OF persona,
character. y embodied in tla 81 Feuian fmpos~
turc;' as,}c1a IT yesterdayss Ttmes. III. XII.
iian cannot aarec With 3ir. Raymond that
thoee state1acpts are stmercly an expression OF
oninjon concerninr IN orranizakion Of per-
sons.T nor. II they were could be regard
them otherw tsc than as Nbe1ous, grossly, Of
iensiye, and richly. deserving Of rcLtke
from all such .torgnnizcd Persons'"' IHc.
sees. IN them, on the other hand q
plain md pa1pable attempt 10 t.indi-
yidualize', the respoaslbility Of the & Feu{au
frnnsfnr,, ), ne ~. RormnnS ta n1ccacd II
lam it1fo ci,arre Is tha manasrers ] # fne f1r,
dcr herr and eiseWhere'1 with eornniIcItv in
cnd thc manaf1rment of Ssw1nJle1rIn,
hrief, to stiCmatize them as dangerous citE
credu1fty of tlcIr fel1oIy cou1try1neu. The
otftclal 4 mauaccrs,, Of the Orler being. Inst
nj present. fhraa ctecutire nfIlcars now
resident IN New York tbero ID M iifI'cpity
In making fhe nnnlicaffon nersonnI Ia
them-tha difficulty {ndeed seams to consist in
knre had INV ofler meanirf<' "a ssva M.
Raymoud from further e1abarrassnent on
The The tI.Tes % s.marngers m !, whnse names handed
to hlIn Testerdays NAV ho rcsosded In eftler
m % s.Iniir{dna1s} ~ 9.cniIcctFye,' 1{1bt % Int
That coch nrd avery onc nf them consider Mr.
O'Mahony's dennnti for .s1etractlon'', sndl-
7idually aud collectively proper, Just and 1t
to be insisted on.
Mr, Killian can not restrain his expression
Of pstonishmcnt at Mr. Rarmond's a1lusion
TO Neuch submission OF facts as shall lead
to q change Of opinion In'' Mr.. RAYMOND.
lie considers such a propostttQp, made under
such circumstances, m aggrarntion Of tho
orfai1al inguIt: and the yery meme Of lmper-
tinsnre @ IN , itself: Tihela starting from i-aor.
auce cau haYo no warrant or apology tho
yery EIght Of criticIsuo depcnds % Sd
nerfor knowledge of the subject matter
crItfc,scd- IA fsr from tstbm1ttfnr facts'l
to Mr. RAYMOND for the DtIrpOSB of over
coming his defective Information ar. Kill
Inn he's the honor to renew the demand for
juatice to tho managers Of the ssFenian impos~
ture,n, but With well assured belief that the
wise liberty Of public crittcIsm, the dignity
and uscfuIness Of the press, the sacred rights
OF private reputation, the more al1uring re-
wards Of public ambition, ate nl1 deeply con
'cerned In any effort to gnard our press from
ssaaa sz and our Poes o r. nsy
OF the retraetton asked for, he "a requested To
name some gentleman with whom Mr.
O'Nahony md Str. Ki'iinn might en1uy n
more satisfactory acquaintance.
=. B. DoRAN k1LL1AS.
- Mr.. RATMoSn's REPLY. i
Nj. Raymond received Mr.. 3. Dorm Kil-
Unless be misunderstands its closing para-
ernpb, Alr. Killian presents to Mr.. Raymond
The alternative Of either making the '..tstrae-
tiGn Wh,ch At; hi.nan aas s.,,a aenanuoa on
sII1crins % y hi,nscif inTited 10 \ hoaifIs meetinr
with ~ IGt ~ hat% ~ thcse ~ ,,nn1;tmsn "
Taymcnd il unwillinr to take nnv action On
The subject until more fully ass17ed Of the
nsna1 nhrnscoioc, which Nj, Kil1ian has sean
lit 10 adopt, must bo hls excuse ior requesting
him to Inform him whether hc has or has
not correctly understood him. !,
Nn..K,11IAy no un.EArMoSp.
Ms ~ E.T skyrsrrErrn IN E, r. srnrsT ; ),
1r1nv nv ser - tl .nn ~ Yanr NV IA isns
,r. En,rs. rserots .,,aI ha aI h.s ~, ~. 1n.,t;
h,,aaoif tiIu nte;ars3,a5 sl1i ~ H. LUZ sR"rmnnd
4 m seo ias nht unItoua ~ oes,s, ~ ~ thni
seaay suns ~ ossts ~ ~, ~ ~ ,.aa 1aas -
lsttacton, ai1 y antpE e lug oae MS ,1 e
XnIah,n%r % ~, fei insties.d ~ -. :,
Sns,rin ti1 iI1 atanst ~ ~ ~ 1assu ~ ~
i;u..h aaa Hsons4'H% ~ ~ suaiss y
H. niaoo ne+ on%s. ~
1Hu w .EsAs as19a. ~ rT1n,t r.4 ~. ~ =.
pre}udgc Mr. Eaymonds motive U asking To-