The New York herald., 1865-03-11

TO reduce their rates 70 the extent stated they would
surely be the gamers by at least ve hundred thousand
paying the whole Of the expense Of main
,ssS s Would js million sso Or
thousand dollars by It, The fact that they not purpose
any such thing is practical demonstration thai the
insurance companes have no lief that II there should
be such radical change, the Fire Department could be
sustained for such sum- or they would themselves con-
tribute 10 There IL remarkable fact which he would
call attention TO- which that, while the porie Of
the Senate bill declam against ianced abuses there
upon this and that beneficial change there is not the
slightest provision made TO effect It, On the whole it
crude and undgested and would be cause OF greater
dissat action, and prolific Of abuses and def
ciences Of faus Of omission and commission than
could be charged against the present system He there
fore trusted that the committee would report avoraby TO
the Assembly the ordinance, aud that in the good OF
the citizens OF New York would pass the Legislature
Mr. Leayy said was evident that Mr. Eaton who sup
ported the Senate BILL had got all his information about
the department from the Brooklyn report Now, he
was SO corrupt and inefficient at that time how il
that they wished TO preserve that department. corrupt
York There had been no such charge against the New
York department. that IL was corrupt and immoral Why,
then, should Brooklyn now no better to-day than II was
when that report made out, be preserved and the
New York department by the Police Comms
for its efficiency in putting out res and in assist
ing in putting down the riots when the police themselves
crowded in their holes like rasbe destroyed He not
when Commissioner Acton attacked the department
before the Senate committee His company was one Of
those attacked being all bunkers and thieves who did
nothing for their living He had hoped that he would be
called upon witness TO disprove the charges against
No 4, as disinteresed citizen He now present,
and anxious be called 10 the witness stand that he
might legally testify of the who had been thus
viiednto show show VIVA, .ney ad TOT living anu anu
combine for purpose to lie. If put the stand
and me, then take Actons statement and the
twenty six names OF the men called bunkers and will
the character Of the whole Of these and
here prepared TO be sworn and TO answer truly
who and what these mon are.
Mr. paid hat the learned guDpOrt
ing the Senate bill had paid fire department the brain
aud perhaps the other side had volunteer department
the brain too. He hoped, however, the committee
would keep themselves free from either malady and re-
port according to their conscenccs and in favor OF the
present system, amended by the ordinance.
Mr. German charged that by the accounts OF the Police
Commissioners themselves that while there had been
five thousand cases and complaints for insubordnaon,
drunkenness, &c against the police force in year
there had been but two hundred and eleven charges
against the Fire Department in three years
MIR. Decker would state to the committee that the pc
tons they had presented to the Senate committee
numerousy signed by the leading hotel keepers and pro-
MI Creamer explained that the idea that got about and
much commented on Of bupkers from the fact
that many young fremen gave the engine house their
place Of residence, where they might be readlyo
served with papers than at their parents home which
often changed He could bear testimony to the
conduct and behavior OF the bunkcrs in his company
For his part he would rather stay the engine house
OF his company than reside in the Delavan House. espe
cially while the Legislature was convened.
The Chairman here closed the debate and the commit
tee adjourned.
Meeting OF tho Firemen or New York.
OPPOSITION TO THE PAID SYSTEM.
The fremen OF New York held meeting at Firemens
Hall last evening, to take action against the bill now
pending in tho Assembly for paid fire department The
Hall filled with the officers and representatives Of all
the fire companies in the city, the Boards Of Commits
sioners and Trustees and the chief officers of the depart
ment.
Matthew T. Berne, foreman of Hose Is, called the
meeting order Mr. Zophar Mills was elected presid
Ing officer
Mr. German, President Of the Board OF Ere Commits.
sioncrs, then read the resolutions foows:--
s The ne p Of s act psndpps
bishmen OF paid Fire Department. lieu Of the pre-
CT g On
put upon those comprising the present volunteer systems
aened and most Intimately connecsed With she BEST 10,
the progress and prosperity Of the city
Whereas evident In the opinion of this meeting not
Without any previous nacn Of the inson to-. to super
aa WITH It's s s y n
oass 70 es. Tn he value esn
81 or hs wes G Rs ~ TIM Sh arg
directly really Interested parcs that Il is
sR people % ety.
Iss: ssas..1Iy psiiss .hsis hsss atsssns If i've.
nwisc In forcing and untiied experiment upon the
ty when failure certain 70 be followed ty consequences
contend that II Intended fos tho good Of the city, and
If dcsgned eeciualy TO guard its property and its
interests, gradual Introduction Of the new system should
S i e iy S sT MS pysr ss the
sttuted and the best of the be ultimately adopted
we arc clearly OF opinion that IL is wlfui positive and
direct lcrie with, uaurrat the rights OF the
people cf this city, who Il the; desired change have the
power in their hands, through their immediate repre-
senttves in the city ocrmcnt, naugurate system
similar 70 that now proposed by the State Leglaure ANA
be Il further
equally ccnt reasons, that hereby earnestly and fer
senty yet respectfully emonsr.e against the passage Of
rly at this nc when the present system was never
efcen better governed or tiscplned and
never in more advanced state OF subordnaon 10 duty
and We also ferscntiy and sincerely yet respectfully
tue ginst any change IN the present system until II Is
satisfactorily proven that It esnnot be improved IN character
and ee!eAVy and unil the charge shall have been asked
for those who the most intimately and directly inter-
estede people OF the ciyho alone should be consulted
ana their consent obaineG before maxim. proposed or
eminent
They were unanimously adopted.
Mr. G0gAAN said That the advocates or the paid system
at Albany desired paid department the ground that
IL woald be more Gil lent more rcspc table, and more
economical than the present Fire Department la
ence 10 respoctaby, tie Police pel ag.mcnt had i've
thousand Of nsuborelEation m year, while tho
Fire Department had only two hundred and eleven
In three years The New York Fire Department costs
less per company than any paid FIRE dcaftment In the
United States. The following table illustrates the
pondtur of'thc pad systems In various ctes:-
ttncinnati ............ $500 600
ait more. o1VVo
shcaSo.... sZ.vOo
Boston Observation-Disclosures. i50 900
81 LOUIE. 13l,VOU
New York on the other hand for actual expeasrs dur
Ing the ycnr 1865 would require only S278StO
Mcssrs L. Phillips. John g. Giles A. L. Ockershal.