Gold Hill daily news. [volume] (Gold Hill, N.T. [Nev.]) 1863-1882, 1865-08-11
REORGANIZATION.
The south CnroIina Delegation aud
the Prcsident -InteresttnE Inter.
change Of Views.

WASHINGTON, June PA delegation
from South Carolina, consisting Of the fol-
lowing.named persons, had, late this after
noon, an interview by appointment with
the President: Judge Frost, Isaac E.
Holmes, George w. Williams, W. II.
Gillett, J. A. Sternmeyer, Frederick
Richards, VIM. Whaley, james II. Taylor,
r. H. Gill and Joseph A. Yates.
The President said 1t was his intention
to talk plainly, so that there might DO no
misunderstanding. Therefore, it were bet
ter they should look each other full in the
face, and not initiate the ancient augurers
who, when they met one another, could
smile at their success in deceiving the peo-
pie. He said that if this Union was to
be preserved, it must be on the principle
of fraternity, both the Northern and
Southern States maintaining certain rela-
tons to the Government. A State cannot
go out of the Union, and therefore none
Of them having gone out, we must deal
with the question of restoration and not
reconstruction. He suspected that he
was a better States rights man than some
of those now present. .
MI. Holmes-You always so claimed
to be. Laughter
The President replied that he always
thought that slavery could not be sus-
tanned outside Of the Constitution OF the
United States, and that when the expert
ment was made it would be lost. Whether
it could on could not, he was for the
Union, and if slavery set itself up to con-
troll the Government, the Government
must triumph and slavery perish. The
institution Of slavery made the issue, and
we might as well meet it like wise and pa
triotic and honest men. AL institutions
must be submitted to the Government,
and slavery has given way. He could not
if he would remand it to it's former status.
He knew that some whom he now address,
ed looked upon him as q great peoples
man, and O radical. But, however un-
pleasant it might be to them, ne had no
hesitation in saying that before and after
he entered public life, he was opposed to
monopolies and perpetuities and entails.
For this he used to be denounced as q
d~emagogue. We had a monopoly South
in slaves. Thought he had bought and
held slaves, he had never sold nj
From Magma Charta we had derived
our ideas Of freedom Of speech,
liberty of the press, and unreason-
able searches, and that private property
should not be taken for public uses with
out just compensation. He had thefe no.
tons fixed in his mind, and was therefore
opposed to class legislation. Being prov
identially brought to his present condition,
he intended to exert. the power and iniu-
ence of the Government, so as to place in
power the population of this nation. He
proceeded. on the principle that the great
masses are not the mushrooms about q
stump which wet weather supplies. He
believed that this nation was sent on q
great mission to afford an example Of free
dom and substantial happiness to all the
powers of the earthG The Constitution Of
the United States, in speaking Of persons
to be chosen, as: Representatives in Con-
gross, says that the Electors in each .otate
shall have the qualifications requisite for
Electors of the most numerous branch Of
the State Legislature. Here we find o
resting place. This was the point at
which the rebellion commonwealth the
States were in the Union, moving in har-
mony-hut a portion of these rebelled,
and, to some extent, suspended and para
lyzcd the operations of their Governments.
There is q constitutional obligation resting
upon the United States Government to
put down rebellion, suppress insurrection,
and to repel invasion. The slaves went
into the war as slaves, and came out free
men of color. The friction of the rebellion
has rubbed out the nature and character
of slavery. The loyal men who were
compelled to bow'and submit to the re-
bellion, should now, that the rebellion is
ended, stand equal to loyal men every
where. Hence the wish of restoration,
and the trying to gctiback the States to
the point, ut which. they formerly moved
in perfect harmony. He did not intend
to serve any particular clique or interest.
He would say to the delegation that slav-
cry was gone as an institution. There
was no hope that the people of South
Carolina could be admitted into the Sem
ate or the House of Representatives until
they had afforded evidence by their con.
duct of this truth. The policy, nov that
the rebellion is suppressed, is not to re-
store the State government through mill
tary rule, but by the people. While the
war has emancipated slaves it has emanci-
pated a larger number Of white men. He
would talk plain, rs the delegation had
said that was what they desired. He
could.go to men who had owned fifty or
a hundred slaves, and who did not care as
much for the poor white man as they did
for the negro. Those who the land
have the capital to employ help, and there
fore some Of our Northern friends are de-
ceiyed when they, living afar off, think
they can exercise o greater control over
the freedmen than the Southern men who
have been reared where the institution of
slavery has prevailed.
Now he did not. want the Shareholders
to control the negro voters against white
men. Let each State judge of the deposit
tary of its own political power. He was
for emancipation. He was for emancipat-
ing the white man as well as the black.
Mr.. Holmes asked: is not that alto
gether accomplished?
The President replied that he did not
think the question fully settled. The
question as to whether the black man
shall be engrafted into the Constitution
will be settled as we 60 along. He would
not disguise the fact that while he had
been prosecuted and denounced at the
South as a traitor, he loved the great mass
of the Southern people. He opposed the
rebellion at its breaking out ind fought
it everywhere, and now wanted the Irin-
ciples Of the Government carried out and
maintained.
Mr.. Holmes interrupted by saying we
want to get back to the same position as
you describe, as We are without law, no
courts are open, and you, have the power
to assist VA.
The President replied that the govern
ment can not 90 on unless it Is based on
r;rht Tho panp1a-oS Confh Car0lina must