The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1864-08-20
Tw~aty->ixih Day
WEDNESDAY, August ]

vcntion the Attorney General arose in reply to tn
I arguments used IN favor of universal suffrage IL
! sad. that by the property qualification could no
expect q remedy every evil aud the voting
cnly worthy persons but IL would bc a step toward
it, u "A general truth that moderate wealth Is
incidental To industry and thrift No class distino
tion- would he created by this law. The cXtrcm,
poverty in England not consequence Of re
strictei suffrage. t was " post hoe not "propter
| hoe Let add this one addItiona! incentive Go
| 'inlustry ani virtue"
His Ex X G. Wyllie. regretted that the time would
| not allow him quote Kent, Macnulay. Lord John
| Russell and Baron Montesqueu against universal
suffrage. The natives Of these Islands poor be-
cause they would work; they poor from other
Causes in England. LlzinesS ia the mother of vice
and ought I've discouraged IN every possible way
/ The Representatives should be wary about imposing
taxes yet, since the Constitution grnnte,l, they
have appropriated S5G0.OuO more than the Ministry
/ asked for. The interests Of the community should
bc infrusIed 10 the of the the ignorant,
/ anj ;he vicious. Can the Delegate from iloHolulu
conduct the affairs If his plantation ker =
I Island the principle If universal suffrage? I?
Neither also in the family will this principle do
will IL in Government, which is family and the King
Is the father. We must do something by which
draw down the blessing Of God upon aud disqual
iiy those that are guilty Of enormous vice. Who
would wish to be elected by gamblers and drunkards!
The Ministry advocated what ~ for the best interests
Of the people.
DR. Judd replied. that sugar plantations and
guauO islands despotisms aud that is what peo-
pie are afraid of here, and what will ruin the coun-
try The excess Of appropriations by the Lower
House only shows that the people hal more icantS
than the Government could supply II you want to
elevate the people build school houses for them, and
spend more money on their education. In Europe
the Rulers afraid of the people and keep them
under by soldiers vote for This Unrestricted suf
frage. for il strengthens the Kingdom AMI makes !he
people love it, To purify tie elections let the Ministers
do their duty, let the Inspectors of elections do their
duty Whose fault was il that the people voted twice
thrice in the Kamdio election? Because bucket
was the ballot box This right of universal suffrage
hrf unrala ouHn fhnpu uIgh
give IL up. other Estate should vote against II.
Minister of Finance regretted that DIR. Judd should
indulge in personalities and blame the Ministers.
Can they spend all their time attending to these
elections? The Government are ready TO do oil in
their power 10 foster education. No man can say.
no be no ~ ph can he shewn TO
uron which the Throne founded the love Of the
Mr Roakanu charge people with impure
elections the fault Of the Inspectors and not OF the poor
will reach We have voted for the
asked damage had the King.
Noble. people from universal suffrage! None.
This law will make classes the prescribed, the other
the approved and the former will opposed The King
ths Chisf There are many men Who are poor and sno-
rant hut they be ballot But there
harm in trying this new Arce 62 The rights Of the people
will still lie proeth hy law and change this
nate the old, be moudy This Article g.
will prevent the corruption at elections
ming up the main points presented in favor Of the qualified
Mr. Ukeke his surprise and sudden
change in Mr. kaaaahus arsument which had doubled upon
Delegates
only prayed King, he his
70 consent TO let this privilege remain to them
Twrnry-sevcnfh Day.
THURSDAY, August ii h, 1864
The Convention and was opened usual His
Majesty presiding
Slr Koakauu begged leave to Withdraw some words
Of personal against Judge Robertson, spoken
by him yesterday in the heat of debate.
judge Robertson accented
Hon. Mr. Ii. with the indulgence of the Conven-
ton. made quite lengthy speech on the following
points the giving up OF their lands by the chieis
the will Of kamehameh Ill. the annexation excite
mtut and the views OF The late Chief Justice Lee -
Hon. Kapaakes moved tina; the amendment OF the
Delegate from Puma, substituting Article 18th Of the
Constitution of 1852, in place Of Article 62l the
revision. be laid on The table Carried by vote Of
20 to IA
,Ir Sahskus amendment, striking the property quaIi
hy to Martin G. p. judd G. II. Judd
Tkeke KeTrisai NaiaEu, D. G. Hitchcock. Wana,
Xays-Kauw ahi, kaiaIeaahu, Kamaio Iianemo, Meyers
Thr MOBILES and Hi. Majesty voted arain. it.
JUICE Rohersons amendment inserting the words II born
the yar 1910 words and who shall know how
ia fa5 and Nd hen T,.rn s Tr in T lh $50 % @ and
SEQ the three blanks t.n and list in the DeeEates
i,aemo, Meye2s. hase,oa D"r.e NaS.%SaT,n' c. p
Judd G H. Judd knui,en Gr9e2 Ligl,luse Kaa.snn r
Wana. Kuaea. Mecaf
His M-je-,y SAID" this i. lest ad-
iourn this Con yenop until to%orro" at II A. NJ at which
reconsiTuctinE the Legislative power of this kingdom
Twcnry-E Eighth Day.
FRIDAY. August 18th. 1864.
The Convention met AZ ii \. NJ, His M.jesty pre-
siding.
Mr Nahaku moved to reconsider Hon Mr.. Bishops
amendment To Article 62. Carried by vote of "a
to 10
Wr. Nahaku then proposed to fn the blanks with
$50 S25 and S25 Seconded.
MIR Knudsen said. that the object of property
qualIfcat ion tor seemed to be the promotion
industry among the people. he moved that these
words he used instead. aud shall have steady,
lawful employment" Seconded.
The Minister of Finance sad that he thoug ght that
the best way TO have All explicit property quail
hcatOn.
MIR Wana said, that ia England they had had n
property 90 lihcation for 2i0 years and yet they
have roOr hOu-es'' there still If IL does make
the English wealthy, will it the natives! In his
district, Hanhle there Mas wealthy sugar planter.
vino. election day. after dinner, called his
together, 200 in nunber, by the conch shell they
marched in row, by tLo overseer, with flag
aud drum the polls, where luna distributed bal
lots them, telling them 10 vote that ticket. Now,
he afraid that this might be done all over the
islands. aud 10y "A combination, the few wealthy
might control the Representative body aud piss such
rnensures nre bes, for themselves alone. The
working f0r panteTs would be qualified vote, hut
those no poor aud following their concerns
would no, be qualified. lie returned NJ Delegate
by the poor snd the Ignorant Z his district who
could no, vote under this article.
Mr. Knud-en =nid, that the moral result would
b. secured by MIR. Bi-hops Hniradmeut. The ques-
ticu al the polls woulI he ' Have you $500 not
" Are you au honest. industrious man - 10 has
amendment passed IL would be 90 Have you lawful
L., .tlv Ffa incl