Marshall County Republican. (Plymouth, Ind.) 1856-1878, 1864-10-27
Did you become pretty well drilled ?

Souuoou VI hlkks
Q. What is your rank?
A. / am q private in the company
O. You hold some Office in the Temple
that Of Lecturer-dc you not7
A. / am Lecturer of the Vestibule in the
Temple to which belong.
.. What are the duties of that functioDary.
A. l cannot give the lectures of that officer
am poor farmer, without much education,
and have not very good memory.
u Did you not perform some of the duties
of that Office?
A. did, sir, but there is not much of that
business to do now.
G. Did You ever say anything to any person
outside of the Order. about belonging to i'll
A. No, sir.
o. How were you known, then, as amember
of the Order, if you did not report it to any
person?
A. think was taken on suspicion of be-
ing q member of the Order, as others have
been, and brought here.
Y. Do you know q man in that part of the
country, BY the name of Judge Trumbull or
Turnbull2
A. know Judge Turnbull.
Q. Have you talked with him about the Or
der since you have bean here2
A have been questioned about il by divers
persons, and may have talked with him
as well as Others
Q. How came you to advise with any man
outside of the Order in regard to your making
an exposure of it?
A. | nave not.
O. Was the oath which you have s~orn to as
the oath OF the third degree, that which each
member of your temple took on his initiation?
A. The obligation testified TO is that of the
first degree of the Order.
O. OF u hat Order?
A. OF the Order of American Knights.
Q. Is that oath substantially the same as that
now employed in the Order of the Sons of
A. It's. That ritual vas furnished the off
Ger Of the Temple by the man wha first organ
Q. Do you know whether it i, the same
ritual as that used in the organization in other
States?
A. do not know, sir.
Q. Do you know whether the purposes in
your Organization in Illinois, of resisting the
Government were also the purposes of the Or
der in other States?
A. | do not know of my own knowledge,
but only what was told me about the Order in
other States.
@. You may state what that information was
A. was informed by officers of the Warren
County Temple that Missouri, Illinois, Indiana
and Ohio were 80 organized. At first it was
reported that several others of the Eastern
States had gons into the organization with the
same object and could be relied on, but that
afterwards they found only these four States
have named, could be relied on.
Q. Why could they not rely on the Eastern
States?
A understood the reason to be, that they
had not gone thoroughly into the organization.
Q Did you not testify the other day that this
Order extended over the whole United States?
y. Ii did, / wish to make a correction,
as | did not intend to make such a state
ment
O. Did you not testify that there was
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February?
A | did, sir There was a meeting of the
Supreme Council of the United States, organ
lied 10 New York, and supposed it 10 ne of
the United States, and inferred that New
York and other States had gone into the organ
iZation TO some extent.
O. Who gave you this information?
A. After this meeting, the Grand Seigneur
of the Warren County Temple said that he had
become fearful that the States east of Ohio
could not be depended on?
Q. What was this purpose for which they
could lot be depended on?
A They could not be depended on to assist
in case Of al outbreak against the Govern
O. Were there any reasons assigned for this
opiuionf
A. | do not Know as he gave any reason
for it.
Q. Were these four Western States al that
could be relied on?
A. II was so reported to me.
Q. Then the organization is not the same in
the Eastern States as in the four other States7
A. do not know, sir.
O. Why do you not know whether it is the
same organisation or not2
A. Because | have not met with them, nor
been much of a traveller so as to know much Of
the Order outside of my own county. Ny in
formation was from the officers of the Temple.
Q. You may state that information.
A. They said we could not rely on the East
srn States in case of an outbreak.
Q. You stated, did you no., that you had
had frequent interviews and correspondence
with rebels.
A. Isaid thst there were traitors from there
in our eighb0rhhod; but there were no letters
passed between US. Some Of them were 10 cur
county.
Q. How many of them do you remember?
A. do not like TO go into that question.
O.. Were there mere than three such per-
sons7
A. cannot mention all that have been re-
ported to be there
O. Have you seen more than three persons
from the Confederacy therel
A. / have seen more than three Who have
reported themselves 70 be from that section of
country.
Q. Were there as many as Eve?
A There may have been.
O. Do you remember their names?
A | do not wish tn use any names.
O. fyou remember any, wish you to nam,
them.
A. Members of the Order said that they
came from Missouri, and were supposed tc be
traitors.
Q. wish you to name those who came from
Missouri and went back again.
A. / do not know that they gave their
names 10 my presence, nor do know them.
O. Have you known more than three per-
A. have known more than these there act
ing in such capacity, but did not inquire
O. How did they say they crossed the river?
A. They did not state. One man sale, in
my presence, that when they could not cross in
skif, they had canvas with loop-holes in it.
IN which they put poles, and made kind of
skif, in which they crossed.
O. They crossed at Louisiana, you said, did
you not?
A. Yes sir.
Q. Is that above St. Louis?
A. 1t is, sir.
Q. How near Louisiana do you live?
A. Same distance from there
O. How far from the Missouri line do you
live.
A. About twenty-eight miles
.. In your conversation with those men
who come over from the other side of the river
from Missouri, what subject did you talk
about?
A. We talked as other men did who met
O. Did you have any special conversation
about this Order?
A. did not; others present might have con-
versed with them, but l did not hear them talk
about the Order.
O. You made some statement about a con-
veraafian Nth ono of 0ua mon. W hat