The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1864-08-20
THE PACIFIC
Commercial Advertiser.
Proceedings of the Constitutional
Convention.
Tvf~nty-nuh Day.
TUESDAY,. August


Convention met at IL. \. NJ. His Msjrsty Presid
ing The 62l Article vas declared as before the Con
vsntjau.
Dr. Judi opened the discussion OF the day by argu
ing tnes~ propositions that ~ kamehameha Ill had
1gpr5r6f 90 the Constitution oi 1852, 10 biniiug
upon aII his and that universal suffrage
snj Ell under II WAS nov a vested right; that uni
yc5st Suffrage consistent with public safety
a. thF eumpCsIIiOn of the Delegates, elected under
Article 7Stb Og the Constitution hy universal suffrage
aud rrsi-ed by 7. Wylhc. would testify taxation
implies the right of representation This property
Qualification would not lessen the ills Of poverty or
ignorance. the path Of reform lay IN another drec-
tou--iH the enlargement Of educational facilities
Hoa u. VI. Robertson moved amendment 10
cover the Of worthy old men who cannot read
write putting in the words 'u born since the year
1870" lie remarked that the right Of voting
lot < ven ,hs people 10y God. but by the written
grant June Ia. 1852. Kamehamehs III signed il
WITH great reluctance, and under the belief that he
could revoke IL any time il hr saw that il worked
btily Can she Delegate from Honolulu instance
siugIe monarchy where the people enjoy universal
suffrage! Can ne bring forward any books to prove
that 9rsTg man Tho has been taxed has a right To
Tor A representatives, | deny this doctrine; %
long there representatives,. IL makes differ
whether the halt the third Of the people elect
them. Can the Delegate point to single body of
representatives elected This group that can com
pare sSith this Delegation He hoped the Delegates
wvuLI neglect this opportunity of introducing
conservative principle into this Government. Uni
yeTs9l suffrage is Incompatible With the maintenance
ether form Of government would last longer than q
few months Is utOpiHn
DR. Juid replied that the people had aiTGys chosen
good representatives. He knew that ksmehamehs
Ill not pleased with the Constitution in all
spects yet he appTored Of it, and he wise
constitutional hIug, 10 say or Inean that his sue
ce>sOEs were bound by this, we'll by the
iGrs ~hich he approved. after their passage in the
branches of the Legislature. He had been told
that there many here who wished 10 establish
Republican form of government these islands, and
that be MAS an adSoc 're of this He was not. He
IN sOud alone IN defense Of the Crown when II was
worth nothing. II the King wishes 10 have his King
dom secure, he must build 1t upon the hearts OF his
people
The Attorney General-we have en- again lee
;ured by the Ductor, and against all rules. He
charges the Government and the King with the igno-
the natives, and yet this Administi alton
year old. Who constituted the Government
just eleven years ago, DR. Judd might say ''guorum
E4GgHz pars fgl.'' Shall charge this ignorance
upon him' By this article they hoped TO make
induesment TO learning This Delegation has been
cOmFf,mented, aud yet the people have been charged
with elecIing thieves for representatives. Even the
plan of registering Of voters has been miscODstrued
into the idea that the Government would by this
their influence upon VOTERS The idea that
the people should against the Go. ernment has
been schoed from all rOstrums from Kau TO Niihau,
aud Eaoever the Government u called hoo
phi ma al ! deny that any man alive has the
~ h . express hs opinion what he knoSs nothing The
o0e voting TO ob;an IN tfiF uannsr the lair express
g opinion intelligent immunity and
lpoa ;s ami Discreet Tbs franchs-
Car the public svic AM good sound sense viii permit
- the the level OF hs bad by this uni
cur elrfus and tse
through she hsrn % Taxation did not irnPy the
Eat q rs.ntation Tor tyn E9HeH would De- allowed to
WI " 70. Or J Sfgrs' & "a sf d,I 1 O, 0. ou,se,,o, to
haze fleet! Take of those Natives who have had
lazy, uut TIE hOSevsr Intelligent. taxing
- q a syHt. h"a5h sTSg r MONEY = sIeiTi'd VIII
ThsEe my District. Intelligent ami hard
is a. hasi@E had e. aaT%.'@e' IN his youth cannot read or
w .-i h ~ ferrei Article 5s Constitutions
70 's Ase!~ .. ~ss taA a~ay ts ns'ead OF adding to
ths ovr promised them sl.il the poor aud gno
- iaL ! - - - - - .i.Ty y,,. ~ I - - s % o ,t ,, , @
al 70 iss m I "a. .,b why d. M ht % Yr .T M.
.-.sl'. ~ lI J rs rS >ui.. t l ,i az.
ssn @ and Ut they beeoae mere diers for lack Of re-
Hon KalaklIlas-T a rieh; sought
from p ' bat she fact ttat when this universal suffrage
~ 80 "a. "a . 80 " W ~ IS' raw ~ I ber 1, 80 b,st % a1
sgEiera.y experienced assume Go-srnmsnt RESPONSE
c. G. Hopns ,ousL, that the twelve years passed
prov- tni ths con q ls5- "a. IN advance OF the Pe
0i opia ieh a ih- 70 'Ten themssives entirely IL the
zi 81 Tag d. SS {. % a.. pp, ysi shs tate aosi @
iar.hsr iie tasted on the igpuTy Of Sar elections and
uHy-Tz Panaes hai prevented the United States
rom bxssinsoised in eyH var
SIR klsen found E,hiGs in his experience TO make him
had lived fr almost the only white ia his dis
Kauai sisetion- Corruption
g the world ~1c-pling England
the ,1r sat blame u brih~,
pslr llS a.
zOuld be- iss threatening eiljr.E- ie had N-h be
Ta- u
land than that q natives He closed With
" lower classes
x tyttst th- % England depressed
pau iTrgous ignn
poor nation 81 Eur.T, excepting only
hz.- Wish Has o. this standarjP
Hon stated that sifc- ls32 there h.d been
al
NJ r. lds.n b-gg-d b dissent from that Opiuion-
The Aist 81 said, thst universal suhFage could
EXIT onls DspO,isrn Il bspuoic no; "a Constitutional
Honsrchg.
Hon l. Ealasaus up9n the conduct Of the
PIE a. the pps ia California universal outrage he had been
s,4tss-
Mr. o. zen sad that tie Delegate frorl Hamakua would
bring tfsard single support OF the Iiton lac
iVoasr tai universal suffrage - iucDI athle wit the exs-
t~no- Of his Monarchy, he change pro-
posed
Jgdge RShcrsOn said that had stated h. 0pnIon
s1ch agsi.st i M Gre@n had brought his opinion
replied ha, year. bstou. experience
Judg
>oa's implies tl.s- who favor
anigerysl su-FIge opfsed o. the Monarchy
he then eErLsDrf ia
has Diet - NakaE4of1t uruYi, iunurner of
the Ggyrytr oGcers Maui t- bntns
bsiNnzs aers and tot upon the poor.
fie trney Gcn.fa person elected Ilkauao
cSlli ~ called cyngct aud explained that ti-
t~Asn ~fi pssn by him S. The kayudgr oi the owner
90 n
Ar- s.haka Esce point ,bs