The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1864-07-16
PACIFIC
Commercial Advertiser.
SATURDAY, JULY l6.
Proceedings of the constitutional
Convention.
Third Day.
SATURDAY, July

nounced that there was q Resolution before the
Convention pending which II adjourned yester-
day.
Ills Majesty then addressed the MOBILES and
Delegates u follows
- would ask OF this Convention leave to ex-
plain my views and opinions on the Resolution
presented to their notice yesterday, lest my ST.
Ience may hereafter be mIs-Interpreted- L view,
IN effect. the resolution offered yesterday by the
Delegate for Honolulu (Dr. Judd) as being one
mode of expressing q wish not To meet the Mobiles
and myself in Convention We, here in this
room. constitute the Three Estates of the Realm.
The Delegates of the people, the Mobiles and my
self, sitting here together, represent the Sovereign
Power Of the Kingdom, and between us and God
there Is no power whatever. This Is a fact
plainly stated. [ do not recognize the authority
os any one Estate TO sit outside this room and
pretend to hold official intercourse with myself,
nor do | recognize any acts or mandates OF such
body 50 sitting, as having any. force whatever
therefore, the Delegates have no power to sit in
another Chamber, and order any one 10 be i'm
prisoned, and / would take the opportunity of
advising the officers of the Law, of the Govern
ment and the Police to take no heed of any such
mandate from such body. l do not recognize
the authority of the Delegates to. call for a new
election. The Delegate from North kona it is
presumed sits here by the mandate of the people.
He has been returned as duly elected by the In
spectOrs of Elections for that District, and they
have so notified to the Minister of the Interior,
who SO notified to me, and 1t must be presumed
ZIG IO-scScCS All LIC duliihO1IiNAS N1NAANN ohA
for the Delegates TO set his election aside is for
them, sitting in Honolulu, to set aside the man
dates Of the people of North kona. For the
Delegates to take the oath to the Constitution
outside this room Is of no avail, for they are not
there 81 Delegates but individuals. 1t has been
said that / have myself taken the oath to the
Constitution frequently, but that was some time
ago, and | was then in a different position. My
new position imposes new duties upon me. Ac-
cording to the Constitution of 1852 the option
n. g,xan 70 rho pavv S,yaraiuD If he npprOvpS nf
the Constitution, to take the oath, but it is be-
cause L am not ready TO approve OF that COnsti-
tuition that | have not taken the oath. Hence
this Convention has been called for the purpose
of revising and changing that Constitution"
H.. r.. III. the Kuhina Nui seconded His Mag
esty's views. Vice-President Robertson then
arose in explanation of the action of the Dele
gates upon the seat of the Delegate from North
Kona they had deprived him OF his seat because
they believed that they and they alone had the
power so to do.
The Attorney-G General stated, in reply, that it
was only in Convention that the Delegates had
any right to UOte-they might discuss when and
where they pleased. MIR. Kamalo could not be
deprived of his seat, for the people of his District
have not taken the steps appointed by law in
case Of a fraudulent election.
Mr.. Gulick, thought that the position now as
sumed by the Attorney General was just the re-
verse of that set forth yesterday. 1t was con-
ceded yesterday that the Delegates had a right
to vote by itself and that is denied to-day. He
then explained at length the circumstances of the
election of Kamalo and characterized 1t as utter
ly rotten.
After some desultory remarks by Hon. John
Ii, and His Ex. p. NahaoleIua, Vice-President
Robertson arose with a motion that His Majesty
appoint a Joint Committee of six, three from the
Mobiles and three from the Delegates, to consider
this matter in all its bearings and report at its
earliest convenience.
DR.. Judd suggested that the Convention pro-
coed to the business for which it was called by
the Royal Observation-Disclosures of proposed
changes of the Constitution. The Attorney
General thanked him for the suggestion.
The motion passed, and His Majesty appointed
the following Committee
His Ex. C. g.. Hopkins, Mr.. Knudsen,
His TX. j. y. DOminis, Mr.. Kauwahi,
His Ex- Z. NahaoIelua, Mr.. Pinehasa Wood.
Adjourned until Monday, ut II NJ.
Fourth Day.
MONDAY, July llth, 1861.
After the opening of the Convention at II NJ,
in form by prayer and reading of minutes, the
Joint Committee presented n report signed by five
members0f the that they did not wish
.pS deffive North Kona of a voice in this Conven-
ton. and hence would not declare Mr.. Kamalo's
seat vacant.
Mr.. Knudsen presented q minority report, stat
ing that the above report from the majority was
prepared before the Committee met, and he had
no opportunity of having his views enter into the
report. Moreover, he was convinced that no body
but the Delegates had any right to pass upon the
credentials Ot its own members
Mr.. Nahaku moved that this Convention adopt
the majority report. Seconded. Mr.. Gulick asked
how this Convention should vote, by estates or as
one body? Vice-President Robertson answered
that it was His Majesty's opinion that this ques-
ton should be voted upon by estates. Mr.. Gulick
then proposed as an amendment that this report
be ~cOmmitte 10 the Joint Committee. and that
they consider and report upon the question of
privilege on the matter of credentials alone. for
they had left this, the main question, untouched.
His Majesty then stated that he had passed upon
the credentials handed him by the Minister of the
Interior The Minister of the Interior said that
he had passed no opinion upon the credentials,
that he had merely acted as pOstman in receiving
them. After considerable discussion, Vice Presi-
dent Robertson put the question to the Conven-
tion, and His Majesty, with the Delegates, voted
in favor of the questionable Mobiles voting against
1t. Declared by the Vice-President 20 be carried,
as two estates voted in its favor and one against,
and the report is committed.
The Attorney General, for His Majesty, then
stated that His Majesty was now ready to Law be-
fore the Convention certain articles of the COnsti-
tuition. SeriGtiHn, and he therenpon read an article
rs a substitute for Article L of the Constitution,
the change being, substantially, the omission of
the words {" and equal" His Excellency C.. G.
Hopkins read the article in Hawaiian, and the
Convention then adjourned until u NJ, to-mor-
row.
Filth Dny.
TUESDAY, July 18th, 1864.
The Convention met at II o'clock. The Chap
IAN opened the proceedings with prayer. The
minutes We're read and approved. Vice-President
Robertson then explained that it should not be
understood that the voting would take place in
every instance as It did Yesterday. If changes in
the Constitution came before this BODY for action,