The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1864-01-21
TAe Evening Express Case.

or THE PAPER BETWEEN St7O AND stH0-IErrR-
EsrIN0 DISCLOSURES REGARDING rHE PvBtioA-
TI0N or THE EXPRESS.
oouRr os COMMON TRANSFORMATIONS
Before Judge Csrdoya.
Tho case OF Stephen Clark w James and Erastus
Brooks again yesterday before Judge Cardoza
Mr. Gram the for tho plaintiff, stu indeatiga
bio In his excrtons TO show that tho circulation OF tho
paper has decreased aud decreasing daily uoder the
present management Tho task d,Ilcult owing
TO the obslinacy OF tho witnesses aud the tactics o. Mr.
MoKeop. the counsel for Brooks Bros. hut is pretty
wol established that OF copies da,Iy
does not exceed ooo ond may DO below 5000 Annexed
| Is a report OF yesterday Is oceed,nes
Thomas k'pgsiand, cashier Express Office was
called TO tho stand and testified az follows
Q. What Is your occupation A am cashier Ia tho
Express Office, have been snce July. 1853
Wore tho entries OF gross receipts tho booa which
you havo referred 90 Ia AFFIDAVIT amounting TO
S4 $50 20 Tor July August september aud October
actually recevodY A They were actua, recs,pts.
Was there charge Cor advertising for the city In
Guided In those cntricsr A. don't know don't
bar whethor anything was paid BY tue city during that
time there could not have been Included IN those entries
charge for advertising for the city not paid the eures
for July, 1863, made by mo; copied the entries
from the cash book from tho ID OF July havo per
sona knowledge or tho OF the PRIOR
tho time OF my coming the Gath OF July could not
what proportion OF the receipts for advertising
could not say whether than quarter wore
advertising
q Don't you know from time timo what portion OF
your receipts came from advertising. and what portion
Q State the relative proportion advertising and cir.
culaOn az wciI as you cam Al nnt say, never hav
O What Is tho present daily circulation OF tho Enp,es
A. ] could not tell you.
Is tho circulation OF the Epress or loss than IL
WAS year agoy A. l don't know.
@ In II moro Or less than It was last year. A. can't
! say.
any time you have been thereS A, could not
don
@ Have you over known what was tho daily circu,a.
ton Of tho Express for any for any time you
have been there A. don't remember that have ever
known It,
q Give OF your ordinary twenty four hours
duty In tho Errcss Office your daily routine gen.
eral Of your dutes' open the safe take out
tho aud attend letters that turned
20 me by Mr.. Brooks, pay bills, have eye TO the
mad department, receive moneys from the advertising
cerk, &c balance my cash bring down my balance to
day account generally that every thng ia
going on all right. and IL am wanted no more 90 home
O. Does Hobssn make "a daily report TO you OF tue city
circulation A. get the report every mornug
q Are you the habit OF making synopsis from
the cash book classifying the different OF the
receipts OF ,money7 A. do, sometimes, yes, SIR It do
ponds upon how busy am.
q state nature OF that synopsis and whit you do
with lr A. We have book there one sdo OF whiob
is posted Receipts Express, and the other side,
"Paymens;' the side for receipts there are ruled
columns, for every day Ia tho month, noxt column
for receipts by mail Tor Daily Express column
the Weekly Express. next column Tor she Semt weekly
Express. headed "Cash Advertising, - Dext
tCoIsctons, e'Sales -(reerrng to rsceips from
Hobson for sales OF papers)-tne next IA "kents''
ana the next "Iotai;' on the other s'de OF
the book thu Arst column is for sales for every
day 0; the MONTH the next Ia for compostou,
next telegraph, pext press next salaries, next pa
per- next ink next gas and fuel, next sundr,es, next
reuts, and next total.
O Do you not at the bottom OF every column, at each
SIDE add up the OF tho moathy OF each
O. Have you ever been asked by any before say
what the circulation Of the Enrcss az any tme A.
do not remember.
O. In making up your synopsis, do you not observe
day when you mako 1t what the daily circulation
and vh Tho
ton ss do not know that observe the fluctuations,
but OF know tue receipts because receive them
every day.
O. IL your memory very bad that you entirely
forgotten thug about those receipts IRON the time
you the Empress July last until yesterday
A. cannot testify TO amounts without tue statemcots
being before me.
Q. csut you give general amounts' A. Not with any
O. do not mean with cxact certainty can't you state
general amouptsy A. could not remember any general
amounts.
Q. DO you to say that your memory go defect
i've that you could not state what the circulation was Mt
time since you have been theret A. NO, could not
state.
q Could you no, state within thousand what the
circulation az any time since you have been there
A No do not know that could.
O. DO you to say that you have taken account
the daily receps Tor the past week ana could not g,vc
the amount for auy one day within one Thousand, A
o. Have YOU entered the amount or receipts for crcr
iaton Monday last a. Yes added It up thus mora.
o State according to your best knowledge aud recoI.
lection. what the circulation OF the Empress Mou
day last , A. / cannot give H.
O. Have you any idea Of ity A. None that could give
with any certainty.
O. Can't you from the amount received maize an es,i.
mate OF the circulation A. cannot for do not Suow
tho amount OF the mails.
O. Can't Won, from Hoeson's Monday, form
estimate Of the circulation A. From the money received
somewhere the neighborhood u thousand.
but you understand that do not positive
" to that being the exact number
Y. What was the amount you received from Hobson On
Monday last, A. Some where between one hundred ali
seventy dollars and one hundred and eighty dollars
q. Al what price the city circulation sold BY Hob
SON A. AT two and a quarter cents.
O. We're you not mistaken IN est mating niue thousand
for Mondays circulation could have been more than
eight thousaud2 A. don't know; that depends upon
how near right am as to the amount received from
Hobson.
O. II you are right then in stating the amount Of tho
from the circulation Monday bs between
ooe hundred aud seventy dollars and hunired aud
eighty dollars might the circulation have been lees
than eight thousand A. could not say how that
o. Do You know whether the circulation VI the Er7s;1
has increased or decreased since you came there A.
do not.
O. Can you tell what average circulation during
the 6rst month or aoy month"; A. cannot
o. Caut you form any estimate, however vague az 10
the general circulation Of the paper during tue time you
there July last or AZ other period that yoi
have been there, excepting last Monday A. NO,
O. win city circulation Of eight thousand, with such
other circulation aud advertisements the Erlre has.
nay ts expenses A. don't Know anything about that,
made up any estimate In regard 10 eight thou
sand
o. Could you not tell how large city circulation would
be necessary to pay the expenses Of the bpres' A.
could not.
from your recollection OF the current expenses Of
Erpre receipts exclusive u the city
circulation state according 70 your best Judgment what
amount OF daily city circulation Is necessary 20 pay It's
sxpensesS A. could rot say.
About what have been the receipts from other sources
than city circulation for week past and month rasc A.
could not tell you; well, don't understand read the
question nrst Question repeatedly Thsausstion reads,
"Whas has been"
Bv counsel-Yes sir.
witness-weIi have answered to the question before
as understood II.
a. Can you form no estimate on the SUBJECT A. Gao.
not from memory
o. YOU wanted to ASCERTAIN the expenses for
pubisA ,ng the Express, what would you dor A. would
take the current expenses the last six months last
year and ascertain what they were add FOR bass
VI ejaculation.
o. what about according TO your bost knowledge ana
recollection the current expenses ~ publishing the
ksrgssr, Make the beste stimste you can A. could
not tell
plaaaa state xhaf terna form the axnensas OF nnh.