The New York herald., 1863-07-16

Mr. gorrrcK-Here, STR I rise again. say now, SIR,
that the honorable gentleman IS gong beyond Inc at
right oi an answer lie has me OF having done
something (Icar. hear) He says have accused the
government oil bong gulty 0 some'hilg say tn,s -
the proper time Tor entering apon discussion o. tt
kind. (Hear.)
Mr. LAYAWp1The question Of such grave importance
that il docs admit OF delay. (Cres o ''Quts ston,
question - sChar, ctair eco go on. } shall limit
myself most strictly TO statement liiear) 'hss been
said that her esty government has been gully not
only but Of unruthfuness, in not having CON-
municatcd the House and the country communc aon
receive from foreign government and that they have
been guilty of breach Of confidence in communicative to
tine Secretary OF State II foreign country despatch
sent to them in confidence iear venture to say that
these grave impuations (iiear) l do not know
whether order but the thing Is 80 important that
would venture 10 the House in words that
which has actually occurred ("No, do" "Hear, hear" "
ssMove, rnove.r
Mr. RokarcK-Ths ia 3 reference to former debate.
Mr. LAYARi-I will answer the questions that have been
put TO very briefly. 1t has been asked hrs Has any
communication been made to her Majestys government
by the French government inviting her Mestys govern
ment TO combine with hcFrench government in any pro-
posed intervention, mediation recognition or ,ne11 renee
OF any kind2 ] stated Tuesday night that no such
communication had been made to her Maesty's govern
ment. (Hear, hear) I'epea IL ioithoat eq.irocatoss-
(hear hear)-in the broad sense Of ,ood that such
con,,nuniouion has up this time been made (Hear,
hear.) | mean, of course, since the communication or
las, November (ioar, hoar.l ! was blamed. too, the
had been made to the noble lord at the bead Of the Foreign
ohce who mentioned 1t in another place Tho fact is
been received nasmuch as 1t was not delivered until
late IN the afternoon now repeat It, that Baron Gros
bic and learned member had stated that communication
had been made to her Majcsty's government by the
rra LIZ , Md nj rsd com
tie subject for her Mdjesys government, had As
cc,ued any order 70 make communcdttoA (Hear, hear
Lord Cctoy has knowledge OF such communication,
hes been made to him SAY Therefore such
communication Stree last November has been made to
sat satisfactory to The House iChOess) II IS we'll known
that NJ Drouyp de huys wrote despatch proposing to
her Maesty's government to invite the United States
70 claim nm arm,stice in order that terms Of arrange
ment might be come TO between the contendng par
tics. Although that despatch was dated the 10th OF
October, the communication was not made till the
10th OF November. That despatch was read to her
Ma osty government, but copy Of was given In
which havo been laid upon the table OF the House, It
stated in the first paragraph OF letter from Lord Russell
TO Earl Cowlcy dated November 3 that Count do Fahaut
came to the Foreign Oce and read despatch rdting to
the In North America but no copy OF that despatch
was given to her Ma esty . government (hear) very
unusual with that despatch taken by
the French before Her Macsys government
had sent answer to the proposal The prop sal itself
which had not been communicated to her Majestys gov
ernment otherwise than by reading 1t, was published In
the Koniteur Of the 18th OF November. hold in my
hand copy OF the Monieu containing that despatch
it is curious fact that the published despatch ends
by requesting Count de Fahaut to read the despatch
to her Maestys government but il does not say
anything about leaving a copy or the despatch.
Hear hear) The answer to .ha proposal in ihc shape
OF despatch to Lord Cowley. was sent of on the
lishcd in the No,ite, The answer was delivered 10 NJ
Drouyn de Lhuys the 14th but II considered
important that the truth should be knowpthe trench
government having taken the unprecedented cour,e ~
publishing the despatch before receiving the reply Of hor
decided publishing tho on the Same day IL
delivered, and accordingly tho answer appeared IN the
On ns a v eS aS pubsd e
They stated that various rumors were abroad that the
facts very %nsh Ssd and they thou h
l5th-the day after the publication in the Gdsete-the
following dispatch was sent with published despatch,
t. Mr. stuart who Charge dAnairos at Washington
but received by Lord Lyons, who by the time 1t
had arrived out had returned TO his post
lord RUSSELL TO MIR. sruAnr
SRI eacose for Information copy OF the London
ar,nistce the contendins parties North America
No copy OF the French proposal was sent because her
Maestys government had not at the time in their
possession. Hear hear) Well, +, on the 2sth Of No
vember Lord Lyons wrote to Earl Russell:-
na T S s Sss IN sa % tain
country to e an X, G rsaSnsa n New york by es
your iordshs apswer was rtcsed al the same time Yes
the &. ss Ess % S
was forwarded TO New York By telegraph from Halifax
(ear hear) may say that all the papers Of the United
States mad got the entire text OF the proposal and
and both extensively commented on and awakened
great deal Of interest and excitement throughout the
United States. w. Mercier had received copy OF the
despatch OF NJ Drouyn dc Lhuys the ED but did
communicate IT, But on the 25th, the DAY OF the arrival
20 him the text OF the proposal Of The French
government SO anxious had Lord Lyons been that be
never broachsd the subject TO Mr.. Seward, and II
porable members will refer 10 the papers which
have quoted they will q despatch from Lord
Lyons on the ID Of December in which he says,
the first time Mr. Seward had spoken TO him about the
French proposal
Mr. Seward without having in ws,ed TO the sub
spofs me G Of the %sds X France
seren,s in this country to agree to an armistcs.
(8esr, hear) hope the House has followed re-
CARDS dates. hear whatI have stated will prove
tAe proposal tv ne French 0orenment published Aeir s0n
.at soas not Lord Lyons osa ~ Eercier ,oAo oommun
eaed to Mr.. se'rard the COPY Of TIE irooh-lhear,
r On as scc q Lord Lyons and not lord Lyons 0so %
Mr.. Ss,oard Cheers) leave 1t 70 the House and the
Mr. Rospucx wished 70 ask question he wanted 10
know whether an application from the French govern.
men to her Maestys Ministers did not take place In the
early part OF the spring. very much to the effect
he had stated and whether the transaction which he
had referred was not that application
made In the Foreign once. Every despatch had been
looked to- and be could find other than he had referred
Lord r. CECIL asked whether there had been no verbal
communication whatever.
Nj. LArAHp under stood 70 reply in the negative.
ana 70 say that he had stated all that was within his
knowledge lHear, hear)
MR.. LINDsAY's LETTER.
KDrroR LONDON TINES.
FhroOn ior me fhylnR u WOud nave Dcen a. well TO
your comments the statements made by
Mr. Roebuck IN the Houseof Commons on Tuesday night
until the debate ended.
The debate yet pending, and those comments only
PREJUDICE In the meantime think II due 10 Mr. Rcebuck
say that what he has stated is true, and shall be
rned by In Parliament with tme, place and circum
stances when the debate Is resumed. hnvo TO regret
that 10 postroned for time 30 long the 18th
inst.
You have been pleased speak OF us a. seoonstued
ambassadors have only TO reply that at my nrst inter
view with the Emperor, in January, 1851 was accom-
panied by her Majesty Ambassador at Paris. That
Eryiew proposed upon matters referring exclusively
To English aud French maritime interests.
My subsequent interviews with the Emperor preceding
the hist were upon like mission. Al OF them he
introduced the subject Of the civil America
spoke freely upon IT, Whatever he said fully report
ed by al the time 70 Lord Cowley, with the Emperors
knowledge and permission. The interview had In com
pany with Mr.. Roebuck the 23d ult, 10 which he
errsd the House. brought about by circumstances
which, In due time shal be fhlly made known to the
country should have had objection TO make what
then passed equally known 10 Lord Cowey whom return
ing TO London from Fontainebeau, through Paris, had
tme permitted. Pam, sir, your obedent servant,