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Ing 70 converse on putlie business. ws spot. on he
Giele q snt the General assured that he "a, not
aware of any foundation for the currep, rumors In
deed our ecncureree on 'hc ruhlie business b ive'a
a. ed our psrscnsl -, maze trea rumors sb-
su d.
A Co-rcctiou.
Ei't.-g'on, Oct, 2e-Tb. r-pcr, ihs' cs7-. Turner
h,s ss.!t,sd Admiral Dshis; su, IL certainly untrue
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Important froo JspBn Dcrs AZ Of tbs Hrit-
,sh Fleet.

san frauei'co, Oct - An arrival q, vistoh,
hrins' dstss ff' S.r.sAfsi. Jh9,,, ot tho e,t. -
August II 10 f'esf I'd la OFT . 'te I.p,ue'o
D.snio. tsi severely 'epylssd ths Br,t ~ feet, 80
I,trul,r, received.
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-lrui DAbisr,n and .s.crsS Gnluor..

.Jtoa De; s3.- Res, hdrursi n,hlU.n, ia
\\aiestlon TO the Nav nspsEra,nt s.,ca
,ur 'Nys, ttAt 10 seer.,arr & ne Nsgy hn
~ 20. 'ste Of the relation, heSr.en General
~ lnc A.'a'el- 'hs '.lp-.Sf ooto ro-7 Gen
sill sttis'y the Department rpoa 'ttsslt.
e., - lsA,, I, is 9a.. nsl. lie .tr3 3. rep-
-bsr
'ur1S Ia'Grt. S,rtCrb'r. iSG9.-snXuy.r am
a ouICginsa g. Tie lrplr,s "a .pe Dsssptpei,
tiny frn iiuf nv rssls Ati0n ,an runse4Bsncs u
.IsA-To eurnt Satss,n yGl ans Ioy.rif auI gt.t
Cid not u0-opernie rordlaIv. I. il cot necessAry
Glt 10 sssut. you ,n,t stg sD'ueiy ignorant 4
aisntest foundation ior such tapor ., and had no
. thu, they eIistet until thET spieareo 10 ne
ers. They we're doubtless shued ny snr.e eo-o-
"a sfnsatiOnist 10 lieu of new. A vii SEQ that
, are suthoritatlvcly contradSted.
T. 4. GU.soga
= Bear Ain,rsi DshSrel. Liblt Hs-.. igg.t
blve ouly 70 add, says IN. Admiral, hat General
sp.n. several bour iD conftanea ylEh no
isbs did on shs 18th ant, 81 usual 10 ths
ssaaS sas sA~sca s~s - ten ~s~s-
The Manchester journal. [volume] (Manchester, Vt.) 1861-current, 1863-08-04
A Great Mistake.

An autographs letter Of Mr.. JefIer-
son Davis, written when he was 4 ca
det at West Point, has alely been
discovered aud published in The papers.
In il he speaks with great contempt Of
his Yankee classmates. as persons OF
mean spirit and unfit to associate with
gentlemen like him. II Mr.. Davis
has preserved copy Of his former
correspondence or should chance to
sec this letter in his morning paper,
we trust he will read il with care and
reflection. Ia the siiuatioa il which
he is nov placed il must be for him Il
memento Of peculiar interest. II will
bring TO mind former DAYS, revive old
thoughts, and draw his attention from
the cares Of his age 10 The feelings and
sentiments Of his youth. The mistakes
Of early days areoifen recognized and
acknowledged in after years, and per-
haps Pres. Davis may now be willing
to own that the opinion he then enter
tanned Of his Noithcrn countrymen
was erroneous. 1.-THE present cannoi
convince him Of his error. he must be
one Of those whose opinions cannot
be changed even by the stern logic Of
events. Perhaps he may see some
connection between those views and
ihe dread situation III which lte i, now
placed. Had he not been blinded by
prejudice aud pride, be might have
conceived n more correct opinion o. the
character OF the Nouhern peopl', and
tl,us been deferred IRON drawing upon
him their perseverance aud lheir p1W +
or. Some Of those dtspi,ed Yankees
OF his class are now leadins warriors
in that advancing line which Is fast
bringing destruction AID death upon
him and his brethren, and annihilating
bis principles and tic fruits Of his liie's
labor. The people Of tie Northern
states, the despised and hated race. are
now fast proving The ;ncorreeincss Of
his proud assertion.
Here was ihe great mistake. The
whole South tl1oaght with Jefferson
Dayis, that they bal nothing to fear
from ihc pusillanimous lankees.
Proud, eoneeiied and arrogant they
looked upon the people Of the North
ern states as an inferior race. Terms
significant o. their deep disgust were
invented and showered freely upon the
cringins North. They thought iley
could abuse the North and tilil control
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Doc LAW IN REBgLDoM. Every
dog has has day." says the proyerb.
In Secessia it reads "ali dogs have
their day A certain, fearful and
sudden doom Il speedily 10 be prcpar !
cd for them. No dog SO pure blood.
ed as to be reserved, no cur SO vile rs
to escape through his insigniiicence
A Georgia paper has discovered that
in rebeldom are one million dogs of
various degrees. These dogs, says the
editor logically, eai, diminish the ag-
gregate Of food, enhance its price,
make no return, are useless and must
die. The annual consumption Of bread
by these dogs, at half an ounce per
day,is l5,l66,666 pounds per annum
a current prices representing 1000,
600. We have moi verified these fig
ures, but presume they are correct,
though the allowance Of an ounce OF
bread per day would show that even
rebel oauines must lead dogs life, IL
that is the extent Of their ration. But
besides the bread the dogs eat meat
and other yiauds, and altogether con
sumo a quantity of food which must
be valued At many millions Of dollars.
Their skins, too, says the editor, would
serve 10 make cotton cards. For these
and other enormitits the decree Of
death is pronounced, and the origins
tor Of this grand fiscal scheme for IN
creasng the wealth Of the Contcder-
ate states, declares that he has .about
concluded TO vote for no man "who
will not pledge himself hostile to this
tremendous canine tribute. free
Press.
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CANP srAR WARNENfoS, Va,
July 9th. 1858.

u Editor. = Your paper oftlle 2lst
came tonight | see notice Of n
Town Meeting, for the purpose % see
Ing il the town viii vote 10 raise $500,
for every man drafted IN the town OF
Manchester, only hope you wont
see il" il Manchester can do il, why
cot every Town, if every town, where
are our rcinforcemgnts TO come from
We need men -men TO iglt--men
who feel that they left something at
home TO fight for What good will
500, 100000 do towards fighting? it
viii buy powder, gnns,rations aud cloth
ins but where are your -Hea? why,
give il in bounlies for Volunteers you
say. Can the government gt them in
that way? What must we have with
ont fail +? Men Of course. Ii uncer-
tain it il then unsafe TO ron The risk.
Government made Il hlunder IN allow
ing any money exemption, and the
people must remedy The matter by
compelling every man drafted to come.
by this mean public opinion ought
to be against The money exemption,
and insteai Of the pernirinnt meetings
TO raise money, lhcy ought 10 talk and
feel the other way AMI raise maa II
rid mea, those well able 10 ply men
who have everything 10 lose il This
government is oycrh own, DO not
come, how can they expect hearty
honest support from those who have
nothing to lose What justice 5 there
in taxing the property Of men already
IN the field, 10 keepoihels ont Three
hundred thousand mea in two moaths
will enable Us to end the war in six
months after getting the men--a hun
dred million dollars, will mol do It.
Il may be said HAT not more than
q third sill be ale % pay The exemp
lion money. What has that glt to do
with it {? is that any reason for setting
bad example? What kind Of a
spirit viii the poor man have who
must eome-when the rid viii notf
regret very much that any but the
physically unable men, are allowed 10
get ril Of military duty.
Think drafting is the best way 10
raise an army-lt brings the most pat
riotic men--men most at stake hence
more reason 10 fight well.
Excuse the length Of this TASTY let.
ter. Yours &c.
G. 7. DuDLEr.
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enousa = b su.es b Keep tser pw
Il = ,hs Nulsaal g.esrfemeai seepre
Asl d. 5 believed ,ha. itihl la.
ton failed tl.en, t4-y oald alhirv
ftam its sbiy alile Notth SIR
Jeaer Ds, desired % withdraw
from ,be aciy V bis Nankee e'asa
matte Ihsy considered 90 Noah
Too atjed O. feaiars iuio d contest
plh lhe Snh anl .fa d.d3bs leaV
mechanics aal mad s.l uhp saaIl
compose e mmw1 cmiiea : br pui
10 eight BY ihe eiii, aiaaas Soatheuers
Peri,ap. il.g record q the htt two
years has enlightened sheir understand
ius Some - li,ose depised troops
hayc made themselves a. famous q,
tie tenih legion Of Caesar or the
Old Guarl Of Napoleon, Armies
recruited from he workshop aud the
farm haze fought a. bravery a. did
ever any veteran afuie. on the plains
Of Europe. They have dotted the
land with fields that pill 1--we ia history
beside the most glorious baile fields
Of the pasi, They have developed
commanders whom tie Judgement Of
history win place aisn thr same foot
ing with The generals Of Louis the
XIV and tie marslals Of Napoleon.
And ere moihe~ year Of The future
has been placed IL The record Of the
past, they will be hailed A. the pre-
servers Of 4 nation and the Liberties
81 thc people the world round
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CoNsHgssloSAL DIsrHier Cos.
vESyIoS.- by the proceedings of this
Convention, holden Is Rutland on
"Wednesday lasl, !, will BE- SEEN that
cur friend " n. Woodbridge, Of Yer.
Peanes. aas pot in domination.
Although the nominee DID not seem
10 be- The ilra choice Of the committee
from our county, yet our friend Gar
diner and his friends. viii have the
opportunity Of supporting a gentle
man Of hieh altainmcnis IN those
qualities which constitute the true
statesman, and enc who will use bis
.cmincn, tale ia IN sustaining the
Government Ia an constitutional meas.
urrs 10 crush the wicked rebellion now
raging IN our land, until the last vest.
age thereof Is wiped out
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We congraia'aie lhs ffeyiuen Of
this pongre siansl Dssifirt On be re-.
ssh q the hate Congressional Coz
,cntioa. In these perilous and un.
prcerdcnied times We ncel a l4ihlal.
able aisd sasaesous representative I;
such representative SOC shall have
in the person If iie gentleman # that
lime pai ~ nomination, FRgpEmcK
r. NoopBgiDGK
Formaay years Mg WOODBRIDGE
has taken a prominent part, aud ea-
ertel large influence u the politics
u lie State. As States Attorney,
Auditor d Ae cunts, member 81 eth.
er branch Of the Legislature, as IN
other public services. be has acquitted
himself with marked ability and sue.
cess.
A good lawyer and juiicious
Statesman, Mr. WoopBRiDGE also
possesses IN 2 high degree Of excel
lcnce that qualification 50 essential to
a representative, the faculty Of public
speaking, IL this particular he has
few equals in tile State.
Il Is needless 10 say that Mn. w.
has taken deep ana lively interest in
public affairs during the present ma
tional crisis or Ihal he has contributed
much to the support ofthe Country in
this the time Of her need.
Nor is il necessary to dcfnce his
position as a statesman. "lt elected"
said Mn. WooDBRlpGE in the few
remarks addressed TO tic Convention
which pat him in nomination. II
shall 80 for the government, ! shall
20 for the old flag 50 long as single
star remains"
II may not be known 70 some Of our
readers that Mn. WooDBglDGE's
grandfather Hon. ENocK WooD-
BRIDGE, formerly resided several
years in this town. But our candi
date needs no claims Of birth or nativi-
ty 10 secure the cordial support of the
freemen Of this vicinity. lie will be
elected, almost unanimously elected,
receiving the suiirnses not only Of
the Republicans With whom he has
formerly acted, but a $50, SO far as we
are Informed Of the loyal Democrats.
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Talking and Fighting; or. the
Last Ditch.


We do not deny that the rebels fight
bravely, but we do deny that they ev-
or have fought, or ever have the slight
est intention Of fighting, with the des.
peration that would seem 10 be indi-
Gated by their heroic resolves when
the enemy is at a distance, or with
that neverg ive-up spirit which their
Northern sympalhizer5 declare viii
render their conquest impossible.
The South began tie war with the
assertion that fiery Southerner could
whip three greasy mechanics, follow
ed up with the resolve, many times
repeated in the ears Of the world, that
II things come 10 the worst they would
die brayely fighting in the "last ditch. p"
This "lasi ditch" has been so oStunta-
tiously dwelt upon that it has become
historic and world-renowned. But,
although as phrase Of language and
thing Of the imagination il is plainly
defined and universally known, its ex-
act position in the material world has
never been determined. During the
winter Of '6l the terrible threat Of dy-
ing in the last ditch, was the only thing
heard Of III the Southern States. Ev-
cry editor proclaimed il in his editor
ial, every correspondent in bis letter,
every civil magistrate 10 bis proclama-
ton, every commander In his general
order. The whole South banded to-
selhcr and agreed 70 OIL the last ditch
with their blood rather than surrender
a gateway to their sacred soil Into the
hands Of The Invading Yandals. The
time came. Oar armies novel on
from one victorious field TO another
bat in no place dill the rebels fight
with desperation indicative oil last
ing determination to fall rather than
yield Wise, one Of those TO whom
the song Of "last ditch was familiar,
beat a hasiy retreat in an ambulance,
while his men were fghiing and his
son dying 10 the marshes OF Roanoke.
Floyd, an eminent "lasi ditch eharac.
ter, from purely prudential motives,
los. a splendid chance Of making him
SELF renowned BY seeking victory OF
the las; ditch behind The ramparts 81
Doaelson. Bot we need no, enuiner.
ate instances. The rebel lines moved
away towards the Soalhi perhaps, il
may charitably BE- supposed, seeking
> confor,able placc 10 lie down in the
last ditch. Ba, they seem to be bard
70 suit. Many chances hare been of
cred them, bal they did not seen Il
sui, their fan y. The las, ditch seems
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a. fars cevf frn beaE reaiisel
TelsbaFr sas - very laa l.bh we
esaIl oier isem 5 ,ar ahaie valley
i rhe 81 ppl bH Instead 81
aanhias ai z70o9 strong - q grsal
snis, u,ey erased tie las, 1lieh vilh
tye ahise Ga 81 unconditional sarren-
aar AMI marched oas 21p@ aroue 10
the paaralle lafaeler Il pam'ei
pnaurr
vs. etc them one more chance ~
make good laeir htrac resolve The
hanaerofGilmones gnasare resoand-
lax ,hroaEb ,hr streets d Charleston.
They talk a biz as ever The
Charleston Cs.uitr talks q making
a ~Saragossa d,f.use 81 t.cir city,
naming and defending every whaig.
agllias from street 10 street and house
10 house. and Il ftilias Is achieve sue
cess. yielding no'hing bnt smoking
ruins and manglcd boslies A. llie spoil
u 'he Ruthless epnaueror.' These
words would naturally bring 10 mind
SOME brave batal,onS sighting On
against hops AMI fearful ODDS, iill the
Whole ranks mrit dosn 30 lac blooly
ground. Baa, vlrn we remember
pasi events. We can only thank Of
some southern gentlemen fearlully de-
moraliztd, some o. d,eir knees with
clasped hands, the others making good
their retreat under cover of their conn
pluions surrender. This vas The
way they were going 70 defend
Memphis AMI New Orleans. History
tells how they were taken, To rs
this Charleston bomhast sounds very
much MS though they were going to
run. The editor OF the Charleston
Courier ought to know, That IN view
Of the result Of many past event, pre-
coded by similar desperate resolves,
his words instead Of sounding heroic,
sound extremely ridiculous.
The rebels fight very well bat
they are not likely to stand up and be
shot Tor the fun Of il. They have moi
the slightest idea Of lighting on in a
hopeless cause for tie melancholy
pleasure Of inticiins additional injury
before they fall. When they see that
the holding Of Il position Is attended
with great loss they give il up and re.
the in safety. Aud such will be the
final close of the war When the Sit
nation becomes desperate tllry will al
low nolalse pride to interfere with their
safety. Instead Of dying in the last
ditch, they viii save their nceks BY a
timely submission. There are those
among US who would have lis believe
that the rebels will contest every foot,
and finally retire 10 the mountains,
give up the Injuries Of lie, and wage
everlasting war against the Northern
invaders. The history Of the contest
tlus Far does not warrant such a tie
lief, and where il exists it mus arise
from desire that such may prove 10
be the fact.
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WHAT Towns Will Follow g-
Tbs mayor Of the city Of Providence
has issued a request that "iho pastors
Of all the churches in the city viii take
up contributions for the u. s. Saints.
~ Commission, on the occasion OF the
National Thanksgiving. the 9th day
Of August" assigning The follow ing
reason "Ihe demands upon the re-
sources Of this Commission are such
n thc present time, as will speedily
exhaust them, unless the treasury il
promptly supplied"
This example might be followed, IN
many places with excellent results.
Ii is suggested that i would be very
desirable to take such step ii every
town and give the proceeds 20 the Aid
Societies. 70 be used III furnishing the
materials for their work
Win not the proper persons interest
themselves Ia this behalf
BWtlcboro, July "a, 1868.
Mrs. DAVENPORT,
VI Agent a. f. Womens Branch
Il. S. San. Com.
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commissioned, Nolicc.


WE, tie Subscribers, being appointed BY
w the Hon. the Probate Court for tie Dis
trict Of Manchester, Commissioners 70 receive.
examine and adjust tic claims aad deiaauds
Of all persons against the Estate Of
MiRK BATCffELDER,
At the lat dwelling house u said deceased in
Peru, md 8lso all claims and demands exhibited
Ia Offset thereto; and SIX months from the goth
day Of July, 1868, being allowed BY said Court
ior that purpose, we DO, therefore, hereby give
notice, that we will attend % the business "a
oar appointment 1T tie tate dwelling house "a
said deceased, 10 said Peru on the last Safur /
days Of September and January next, 1861
from 10 O'Clock a, NJ. until 4 Y. M., 81 eachI
Of said DAYS
Dated a Peru, ihis 29lh day Of Jaiy, A. D.
1863
DAVID ARNOLD 80.
STEPHEN H. sldONDs. !
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How GEORGE AND MARIA GOT
MARRIeD.--On board the Mountain
Maid last Friday, a more laughable
performance was probably never be.
fore witnessed at the marriage alter
in Vermont, the officiating clergyman
even, being compelled to resort to va
rious cxpedients 10 preserve his dig.
nifty and equilibrium. Georges pants
aud waistcoat did not meet by several
"ems,' and Maria's "yaller" frock hut-
tered in the breeze high above the
ordinary range Of propriety, while
both George and Maria kept their
teeth at work during the ceremony,
over two big quids Of gum. A wag
present offered fifty cents for Maria d
qaid after the knot was tied. II their
honeymoon i as careless and of-hand|
as their wedding they will be truly a
happy couple.--Newport News.
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DRowsED.-A little soa q Pafriek
Tracy, Of Bennington, uas drowned -
the river near ilc ltsiIroad ground
on Friday last. lie was three years
old. We have heard il said that there
were larger boys present who might
have saved hin Ii they wished
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psptr afi she . o. Oufs r
ees arc slHi rDa - sfe realg .
iafs ihem F. 81 ae
tlss ia
ief eeafs hss fiau grssa
- Bat iaf ceag
asm heoA ely e1s m ra3
car sfait ita aficuama ia
consider egr wEk a aear.s mlcd
SAD offer cur energies Is relax.
nQHia aalg EEs uar rntnl.r an ops
nrgeasfy % rsrmh "a aHaler .
pcraie sasul
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Martin Slocum's Estate.
OF VERMONT.

- MAKcHgaTEa DISTRICT, ~
Alta Probate Count holden II Manchester II
sud Tor said District, "a tie Goth day Of July
4. D. 1868.
Present, lion. Z. s. Kent, Judge.
TIE Administrator a. The estate 81 MART1S|
SLOGUN II Manchester, III said district
decreased, appied 10 feageg an account q "a
admiHi8 ration.
NhmeuPoa 4 va ordered hat sid ace6naj
Sc examined ard audited 81 Probate Cont II
BE- leid az tie Probate Uilice hi NaBehesiefI
Is and IN said district oa he iast s. eaHesday 4
Angus', 1865. aaa that notice thereof he eiye'
by publishing tils ofGeF three 9seaA isecsss.ys
81 ~ The Na8elfhff JiarAat f4Uiea ~ ass
Manchester. previous q @slj tltae 2 hearing
30 1. &. FOMLke. Ese.Her.
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NEW IrEAi

s1l30 FINE.--lesso Scau. Il Bar
Sc. i s sal was hael s. Mandsy Il
iasg UeUk. stiiU AND east. lor AZ Ms.
iasi ns Cd lac liqaVt lass he aust
b rather d.seoamgl ab9al ,be trade
Ga fbat aNH.
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Determination of the Norlh.

II was after the retreat Of the Army
Of the Potomac 10 Harrisons Land
ing that ~ commander issued an order
containing the following words: Son
this, our nations birthday, we declare
10 our foes, who are ieuels against the
best interests Of mankind, that this
army shall enter the Capitol Of the
so-called ConiederacY; that our Ma
Iipnal Constitution shall prevail; and
,hatthe Union. which alone can sscure
internal peace and external security
10 each state, must and shall be pre-.
served, cost'whai il may il time, treas
ufe and blood Aud probably there
was not soldier in those tired ranks
who did not feel in bis heart the de-
termination tina, those words express
Cd. They bad just passed week in
one continual battle, fighting by day
and retrealing by night, leaving their
dead aud dying on the battle field, and
now, wearied ard worn, the survivors
had reached a place Of safety with a
eonciousncss that their superinhuman
efforts were Cor nonghi. But although
under the bitter disappointment Of
their first defeat, their determination
was as strong as ever. One year has
passed away since thea and the capt.
tol Of the so-called Confe,leracy Is not
vet taken. That army has experience
ed other disasters, has gone through
other hardships, and has repeatedly
bern called upon to bear the same dis
appointment Of making great sacrifices
without attaining any definite results.
ilu, notwithstanding deferred hopes
and fruilless ea1rts, their spirit is as
true and their determination as fixed
rs when in the spring Of G., splend.
idly equipped and buoynni with enthn-
siastn, taking with them the bright
hopes and fond expectations Of the
nation, they started GU, on their flrsi
campaign, which they doubted not
would be Victorious and decisive.
They arc still determined 10 take
Richmond though they Gail again and
again.
The determination Of the army Is
NJ, more fixed than the determination
e the people. The time when a de.
feat however great, disappointment
however severe. could turn aside the
nation, u past. We have put ourselves
to this work. Experience has taught
Us rs difficulties. We know what is
before al. and with q full knowledge
u It's hardaeSs We are bound TO per-
form il. We have settled down into
an obstinate determination which, here
Il Least, Is the sure precursor Of sue
esss. We shall lake Bad things with
philosophical resignation and make
the most Of gool things. When a gen
erai gets driven back We shall tell
him 10 Try again. II we lose an army
we shalI supply It's place. If ore
campaign ends Ia disaster wc shall bs.
eia anosher. II We lose town we
shall relAke Il. lfwe fail 10 relake
Il on the erss trial &c shall gise Il an
other. Adversely has improved ~.
We hare icarncd to wait IN patience
and labor without immediate results.
il j. not one defeat nor one disaPlsoint-
meal that i TO decide ,he fate q this
nasica. bai 9 series Of inccsAui blows,
siackeaed BY no WEAKNESS or faint.
hsarte1ness Thm We have both ,hs