The New York herald., 1863-07-26

as kno, ano. tnoogn We reel we have wrong,
are obliged 70 bear with tnem aid not pay great deal
q attention. 70 the comments OF the press II the present
Instance and after ths statement Of the noble lord on
ply, my wish that this very delicate matter should
be allowed drop But the Under Secretary for Foreign
to be quite dissatisfied with what his noble chef had
said He must raise fresh matter must taunt me-
the organs Of the government have done with being
amateur diplomatist special envoyand must read
me moral lesson, telling to take care not to fall into
the remarks Of The honorable sent,ass nnx
uncalled for after the statement which the noble lord
at the head Of the government had made to House.
(Cneers The noble lord had said that no one
right 70 cavii at the course which my honorable and
learned friend and had taken He stated that her
three years and hall, had been Iaborng in q very
important question: question Of great interest this
the maritime between the two Countries and
that had been laboring, moreover, not merely with
Their knowledge but at their wish and with their sanction
lHear hear) may now state that during the whole
time was engaged In that business never said nythng
70 TO- any one on the subject The fact never crossed my
or his minister's abored for the good Of my country in
quiet and unostentatious FOR three years
dipomatist who made me one2 il was her
Aajestys government, OF which under secretary
and desired to do the work which they ought to have
done themselves (Cneers " course, during the inter
pleased speak on various subjects but myara
bly, reported every word TO her Maesys Ambassador at
what no might be pleased to say 10 me would be SO com
municated TO Lord Cowley. (ear, hear) The Under
Secretary said on Friday evening that one occasion
was sent home special mission by the Emperor but
that he received telegram contradictng the statement
made Who was that telegram froms Was it from the
emperor or any Of his minister? II IL
passing strange. But am not going to explain
the circumstances; they far too delicate to be
maintain the friendly relations between the governments
Of the two countries Would be the say do
the Emperor Of the French and Majestys Ministers
Mr.. NEwDEGATEI rise to order. The House must now
honorable and learned member for shefield and the
honorable member for Sunderland is only highly
improper but is likely to be faught with serious con-
sequences.
Mr.. RoEBucx-Is the honorable member speaking to
order? (Hear, hear.
The SpEAKER.-lt does not appear that what the
honorable member has said be considered bearing
upon the question OF order (car, hear The question
before the House Is that should be discharged,
and nothing has occurred in the debate that question
which, in my opinion, can be regarded as out Of order
Mr. NEwpEeArE again to address the House but he
was interrupted by
lhe SPEAKER who added-And as what have now said
to receive the sanction Of the House. is the duty
OF the honorable member to acquiesce in it, Cheers.
Mr.. INDsAY-I hope nothing will fab from my lips
which Lean deemed unparlamentary against order
(Hear, hear) No one ever heard whisper from me OF
French until the 23d OF last month"; when, incidentally
obtained liberty to make certain statements. have
them now. / will rather bear the reproaches OF tho
Under Secretary than let word fall from lips that
would tend 70 disturb. IN however slight a degree, the
her Maiestys government and the Emperor OF the
French-(cheers and iauehter)-and which really
exists between the Emperor Of the French and the
people Of England (Cries OF 'Oh! and cheers) Unless
her Maestys ministers drive make the statements
referred to-and am inclined to think that they will
not do so-(a aughl-i shall not trouble the House with
them. But the Under Secretary has said that he
from the Emperor by his orders / do not know
may briefly that the conversation in question
the The subject sS OF ~ American aas, and related 70
the past, but had reference also 70 the future
n,eeg ~ s 1sai M e S'a 70 % nc ~st
20 Lord Cosclen. ! said that was 20 dine with
Lord CowIey the same evening, and would probably
have opportunity OF speaking TO him. ! had
not that opportunity but at parting told Lord Cowey
that the Emperor had desired repeat conversation
Cowley the whole OF the conversation, and then said
him. In the most distinct manner Now in sending notes
o the conversation to Earl RUSSELL take state in
the cearest possible way the why the Emperor
has been pleased have this conversation with there
must be misunderstanding on that point" sad TO him
further that the Emperor bad asked return him
with any remarks which his lordship might be pleased to
upon the conversation held by his Majesty with
"a augh had invariably considered my duty report
TO Lord Cowey anything which the Emperor might be
Emperor anything which Lord Cowley said to me.
(Iaugntcr.) Honorable members may laugh, bus they
said to hord CowIey Anything you may please 70 say
will report TO the Emperor at his desire; therefore
Emperor and repeated to him what Lord Cowley had
said and he seemed satisfied with the course had taken
"a hughl On my return 70 London n ! was urged TO
lord at the head OF the government. felt great
deIcacy when that rel lucst was made TO mela angh)
and said that Lord Cowley had reported the con |
versa.ion already TO tnrl Russell IL Is exceedingly un
pleasant TO be obliged TO make these statements
came from Paris and was not allowed an opportunity of
repeating the 10 Earl Russell the noble
lord at The head OF the government Uaugntcr.) A |
correspondence passed returned To Paris. IL his
Maestys pleasure again to me. BY his request I
wroe 10 the noble viscount ON my return to london.
sent back TO Paris Of the letter which had writ
ten TO the noble viscount and also copy Of his answer,
by the noble viscounts desire and said al have per-
formed 10 the best OF ability this very delicate duty
Not person sha know from my lips what
pred The House does not know now what |
,ranspiied "a laagh) have not even men
toned the subject to any one until IL ncden
tally alluded to the other day. Therefore, II 1t be the
case as the honorable member says that be received
teeram-by order of the Emperor such he described,
Why did his Majesty when returned TO Paris, not say,
= cau't see yoa, II had been the impruden person,
ont, what would have been the Emperor's message
for when weut to pars Why, this .rcl that gen.
tleman when he calls that not at homev Uaugh- |
teri Therefore, rs very strange indeed the honor
able Under Secretary received the telegram he spoke OF.
With these few remarks thereforeoand / have been
obliged in self defence say than desired say
will leave the matter hope government
will not force me % say any more fiienr hear
Lord PAlMERHos--f think my honorable and learned
friend has Judged rightly in moving TO discharge the
order. As stated on former occasion think that no
psod could arise IRON debate and division the
solution Of my honorable and learned friend. (fear,
heor.) must, however, express my regret that my
member Tor Sunderland, should have mixed up with
this well considered decision OF theirs attack upon my
HONORABLE Irienu tuueF cecretary fOrelgn Al
fars. ('0h, ohn) My honorable friend did on Friday
what he deemed 10 be hts official duty aIis-
ing from what fell from my honorable friend the
member tor Sunderland, after | had spoken and
towards the conclusion Of the discussion will say
nothing that subject except only that hope this will
be the last time when any member this House shall
think his duty TO communicate 10 the British House OF
Commons that which may have passed between himself
and the Sovereign OF foreign country. cloud cheers)
sincerely say that don mean TO mpute the slightest
blame TO my two honorable friends am persuaded that
they acted with the best intentions and according
what they felt to be their duty members OF Parlia
ment. and for the good Of the country. the time
wish to impress upon their minds and upon the minds
Of the House that che proceeding which they have
adopted Is most irregular. 70 no stronger Ian.
guase (Cheers The British Tariirmen i accustomed
messages aud communications from Ae Soreyei0n Of
he Unsd knqicw; bat relation TO- sCs aave
sntercose 10th, oDcai knoiclo, of any Sorereign
OF any foreign country (Cheers.l Therefore no part
Of fuao,n 70 receiw communications from fhs Sore
rssn the eorernmerf 1 ANY foreign Na umless such