Holmes County farmer. [volume] (Millersburg, Ohio) 1857-1926, 1863-05-28
NEW SERIES-VOL. 25-NO 15

or Abraham Lincoln, or Ambrose l..
Burnside. 10
Q. Were any epithcts applied to him
during the speech?
A. No sir. If there had been, should
have noticed them, because Gen Burnside
was an old friend of mine; should have
remembered any odious epithets applied
to him.
@. Did you hear the reference to Cen
eral Order No. 3S, and il SO, what waa
it?
A. The only reference made in that
speech to that order was something TO this
effect: that he did not recognize II do not
no that can quote bis language) Order
No. 80 as superior to General Order No. l
of the Constitution, from George WASH
ington commanding. 1t was something
! to that effect. thought it was hand
some point at that time. l remember that,
because Mr.. Vallandigham used the samo
expression in the debate in Congress on
the Conscription Bill, or in somo debate
somewhere else, when ! heard him speak.
Q. Were any violen. epithets such as
splitting upon, trampling under foot, or
the like, used at any time in the speech,
in reference to that Order No. 3S; and il
any criticism was madeupon it what was
that criticisml
A. l cannot recall any denunciatory
epithets applied to that order. l did not
hear them, and if had l should remem-
bered them. The criticism upon the Or
der was made IS l have stated before.
q. In what connection did use the
strong language?
a. Mr.. Vallandigham discussed the Or
der very briefly, in order to get away on
the four o'clock train, and occupied most
Of his time in discussing other PROPOSE
tions. 1t was in connection with remarks
! about closing the war by separation Of the
Union. He charged that the men in pow
er had the power to make peace by sepa-
ration. He exhausted some time in read
ing proofs of this-one was from Mont
gomery Blair, and other from Forney's
Press. He also said there were private
proofs which time would disclose. He
said they pursued this thing until they
found that the Democrats were unwilling
to make peace, except on the basis of the
restoration of the whole Union.
Q. Do you remember to what, if at
all, in connection with future usurpations
OF power he applied his strongest Ian
guage?
y. cannot say as to the strongest
language, for he always spoke pretty
strongly. He denounced in strongest
language any usurpations of power, to
stop public discussions and the suffrage.
He appealed to the people TO protect their
rights, as the remedy for every grievance.
Twice in his speech he counseled and
warned against violence or revolution
By the peaceful means of the ballot-bo4,
all that was wrong Of . public nature
might be remediei, and that the Courts
would remedy all grievances of private
nature. | cannot quote the language, but
that IS the substance:
During his speech he referred to those
in power having rightful authority; and
that they should be obeyed, He counsel
ed no resistance, except what could DO
had at the ballot-box.
Q. Was anything said by me at all
looking to iorcible resistance Of either law
or military orders?
a. Not as | understand it.
O. What was sole remedy that urged
upon the peoples
\. The sole remedy Was as / have
stated, in the Courts and in the ballot
box. l remember this distinctly, because
l had been pursuing the same line of re-
mark at Chicago and Fort Wayne, and
other places where l had been speaking,
and for the purpose Of repressing any ten
dency toward violence among our Demo
cratic people.
Q. Was any thing said by me on tina:
occasion in denunciation of the ConScrip-
ton Bill. or looking in any way to re-
sistance to it?
Mr.. Vallandigham-Not one word.
@. Did l refer to the French Conscrip-
ton Law. and if not, by whom ives refer.
ence made it!
A. He did not. did in this connec-
ton.
The Judge Advocate objected to what
Mr.. Cox had said as not being competent
evidence.
Mr. Cox desired to say to the court, in
explanation of what he said about the
Conscription Law. that he had, just before
tHG LIectIuSs uCci tanning Win cuNoO
BARLEY about our Description Law hay-
ing been copied from the French law,
and merely referred to that in my speech.
Q. Do you remember my quoting from,
President Lincoln's Proclamation Of Ju-
ly l, 1862, the words unnecessary and
injurious war?
a. do not; he may have done SO, but
| did not hear it.
Q. Did you hear similar language usad
by me?
A. cannot recollect it.
@. Do you remember nay comments
on the charge of the policy of the war
some year or SO after cts commencement,
and what reference was made by me in
that connection?
A. He did refer to the change in the
policy Of the war, and | think devoted
some time to show that it was carried on
for the Abolition of slavery, and no. for
the restoration of the Union.
Ques. What did he claim to have
been its original purpose, and did he re-
fer to any message or proclamation OF
the President in that connection?
A. He referred in thai defense to tho
Crittendon proposition, declaring the war
was for the restoration Of the Union, and