The New York herald., 1863-12-19


e hcn from Suspicion Barring bis WOW a. to the dan
ysfpu4 unconstuiouaty Of tho laws he could readily
AXE the oath p aqy member OF The senate. IIe main,
an9d that II had been decided that Senator is not
,ivti ofncer under the constitution.
* s,o aogoAm sS SSpp Of cs cGad see no reasoo why
.ould WORK very well 70 have the committee report
.be subject.
Ne PowsLL (opp) OF KY. said that ths Senator fro,
Aasicauss bad Indicated that every senator had made
lp bis owu mind but he (PoweD had looked into the
question aud was clearly Of the opinion that the law
1862 did DOT embrace Senator's II others had formed
tineTeot opinion, shat was no reason why the senate
hosld refuse an Investigation Of subject OF such grave
Importance He believed be could make n appear that
he aw did not embrace Senator's under the language
hc constitution and supported by the most learned
asss a ,ea wnon ~ principle was soemhy adudsed ey
Mr.. SUNNI; suggested the judgment OF civil 0ioers for
he purpose Of IMPEACHMENT
~. rowML. resuming, said he was merely indicating
xhat no believed an Investigation wosA develop ant re-
erred to the oise OF Mr.. Blunt
hr. SAULsDUeY explained He desired tue ontire sub.
Mr. PowrsLL thought the Senator from Massachusetts,
xs In hot naste TO pass the resolution No possible ee.
ament co5ld result by reference.
ar Tax EyoK, (rep ot n. j., said no earthly l,oot
sould arso by releence This very question had
1eret0iore been raised before the Judiciary
~ 70 whether Senators civil officers He thought
hey were at that time divided and had no doubt that
her opnious remained the two years ago. II
vas admitted on all hsnds-let the committee report
night-it must esd to an extended discussion There
was possibility OF great public harm being done by
longer postponoment OF the question II dsoyai men
not required 10 take the oath great nGry detr
mont mlKut OCCUR IL ala ne mind
bscanse certain senators aid not take the hereore
ohors wero not required to do so, His remarks applied
70 ne inotlily Of referring the subject to committee
who bad already decided upon the question
Mr.. powsid differed from his friend from New Jersey
He did no. think the question mooted in the
mite, that tbs law embraced Senators
Mr. Sumsss said this discussion bad shown that there
pas little occasion for reference He had atentvey
distened TO all the arguments Those presented by the
!eoatos from Kentucky and Delaware TO the effect
&1at The SeustorS bad already taken places and
proceeded 10 dischlrge their duties without having kee
Rlll, he'd Oat wa fart Vtpl .fz
mind this was reason for immediate action The prose
sition was brought forward nine months ago and
yheu he asked tue senate to vote for IT, he by
tho remark by the senator ircm kentucky thnt he
acting in hot h,ste He thought the Senate Justly
obnoxious to the charge OF delay, aud ought TO act
promptly.
Mr.. sAs@As (rep OF Ohio, referring the law, said
Contained 10 snch language az ''cvi, oicers' but
OWL naval aud militia officers In any department. o. the
psblic service.
Mr su,,sss resumed his argument in the course
a which no said that at the commencement OF
this body 1t was decided, by IA againzt la very
anali maioeay-tha one OF its own members
liable TO te Inpeached by an associate branch o: tho
Legislature This was the case to which reference had
6eoo made. The Senate was then small and this de
oision s,od moi be followed precedent at the pres
.n day He again urged immediate action on his result.
t00. repeating that the Senate we'll prepared
now as thoy would be after report from the committee
cato osecotivo session.
Mr. hoped not and asked the Senator look at
aho clock u was only hali-past two.
Mr. DO,fsrLs said II tue subject nov referred Il,
would be reported back and we wond have a repetition
continued until they reached vote.
Tbe question was taken on Mr.. Sausbury's motion 70
seie. ana decided in the negative-yeas l5 2o
eoows--
YsAs-messrs. Buckaew. Col!amer COwan. Davis Foot.
:s a:sdc; ,. natss hsnae on HeaaeSs MeDOasan Mes
rs -hessrs Anthony Bre~a, Clark Coapess. ID xou,
How,fi Howe ot Lane Ind Laus OF Kansas Morgan MOI
TIL Poi Ramsay, sumner, Ten Eycs TfumSu Van
Wtnklc. Wu,ey Wilson.
NJ, Ffssss"es. (rep of Me-, explained that had
voted sea, me reieronce because the subject haf been
Consde ell in tina committee before the law rasgei
ehereior, he thought IL was entirely unnecessary u
was certainly question OF interest 10 the seDo from
Delaware hr Bayard) and that Senator's colleague Nv.
Sausury lie said the former desired 70 be heard upon
ehe sob.e ect He would extend this courtesy.
Mr. SUhssa SAID the senate ought to ourn over
Cor any holiday unti this question decided. there
should be- decision at an early day.
" Mr.. DAvss, (orp) Of KY, noticing the remarks ot
otbess eaid there were Senators there had
had an opportunity TO discuss the question: which shocd
be duly considered in all its aspects
Pending the debate the senate went into brlet execu
Vse sess'so aud theo adjourned until Monday.