Daily Ohio statesman. [volume] (Columbus, Ohio) 1855-1870, 1863-05-10


one, would rot regard IT, He etyled the Ad.
minisIration officers, and oflicers OF the army,
aa minions Of tho Administration. He said he
did not ask Gen. Ambrose Burnside whether be
might speak there or not; tha. he was q free
man, and spoke when and where he pleased.
Q-Do you remember any thing he said with
reference to the course he advised the people to
pursue2
Ale said these proclamations and military
orders were intended to intimidate the people,
and prevent them from minging together as
they we're doing that day; that he claimed the
right to discuss and oritieiae tho actions Of the
civil and military officers of the Government.
O. Did he advise the people to take any
steps
Ale advised them, at the close Of his
epeech, to como mp together at tho ballot box,
and hurl the tyrant from his throne. He STYLED
the President at another time IA "King Lin
coin" 5
of oRoss EXAMINATION.
Qaestiod-By Mr.. VaIlaudigham Did you
take any n0tes during the delivery OF the speech
or are You testifying from emory?
Al took no minutes during the delivery of
the speech; but after Mr.. Pendleton began speak
Ing ! went to the hotel, perhaps an hour and n
half afterWard, and wrote rome minutes Of the
eneeoh.
Q-You speak Of my saying that 'tho North
night have been won back" was 1t not ihstth
South might have been won back, &e2
A--No; noticed thi4 particularly, and it
struck mo very forcibly.
Mr.. Vallandigham-If I said It, 1t must have
been a slip of the tongue.
Q-You say that sold i would not counsel
Resistance to military or civil law. Did not
expressly counsel the people to obey the Con-
stituton aud all law, and to pay proper respect
20 meni authority, and to maintain their po-
litcSl rights through the ballet box, and redress
peFfoual wrongs through tho judicial tribuua's
of the country, and In that way 10 Tebuke and
put down the Administration and all usurps
tioDs of power7
A--Not in that connection lie aaid, at the
lhat Of bis speech, to come up to the ballot-box
and hurl the tyrant from hio throne.
Odd he not counsel them to submit to oil
law7 Es
A-No cir; didn't understand him to cour-
sel the people to submit to the authorities at oil
times. can't remember that he used the Ian
gusge of the question, or the substance of it as
stated.
Odd not cay that my authority to speak
to the people in public assemblages, on all pub.
lie questions, was not derived from General Or
der No 39, but General Order No. 7, the Con
ssituton of the United States, General Wseh-
ington cOnmsnding7
Al understood hira TO say that his authori-
ty to speak to the people was higher than Cen
eral Older No. 38 of that mobbing despot, Gen
'ernl Burnside; it was Order No | signed by
George Washington. t
lQ-WeTe not the three names of Tod, Lin
colh and Burnside used together, aud that
didn't esk their consent 10 speak
A--At another time he used these words.
Q-Were nOt the remarks you say made
about despising, splitting upon and trampling un.
der foot, expressly applied in reference to arbi-
traIy power generally; and didn't |, in that con.
neotion, refer to General Order No. 9, in In.
diana, signed by General Hsscsll, denying the
right TO criticize the war policy OF the Admin
etcstion2
A-The remarks in regard to despising, spit
ting upon, trampling under foot, were made Fl
direct reference 90 Order No. 80. He some
time alterward, in speaking of the tyranny o.
she Administration, said that an order had been
issued in Indiana denying the people the righ
to criticise the military policy of the Adminia
tration, and if submitted to it would be folio Eet
by civil war in Ohio.
Q-DO you undertake to give any connected
OF m ethodicsl statement Of the speech on tba
occssion2
Judge Advocste--The Court c,n judge as t,
that point, but he may answer.
Al do not pretend to give the speech com
meucing with the frat and giving it just as b
| spoke it
Mr.. Vallandigham then asked the same ques
tiou5 as he eeked tho former witue.s, with ref
ereaee TO the way in which he went to the meet
;,c nd In o5ds,ioo .yh, bo >,
report the speech for the purpose of prnsecu
tion under General Order No. 38
Al did not.
Q-WeEe any reasons given you why yol
should 90 there to rep)rt the speech
The Judge Advocate objected to such ques
ticns, for the reason that they were evidentI,
intended for some other purpose than to sub
serve the ende of justice 10 tho trial.
OIL will put the question in this way, then
Was any object stated to you, and If 90, what
A--There was no object stated.
TIC J0dge Advocate here reattd his evi
dence,
Mr.. Vallsndigham aeked recess of fiteei
minutes for the purpose of consultation with hi
lawyers, at the close of which he proceeded
With the testimony on his behalf
TESTIMONY OF 9 g. COX
0-DJ wv. NbiihuulBuhIu w ere you pres
ent at the public meeting in Mt. Vernon. or
Friday, May l, 1863
Al vas present az one of the speakers
heard the whole of the speech stood on the
platform, near him, 60 that could not fell to
hear all that he said had not heard him
speak since the adjournment of Congress, ant
GA | came in from the West, did not know
that he was there took especial interest il
Listening TO his speech throughout and having
to follow him, naturally noticed the topic
which he discussed.
Q-Did you hear his allusi0ns to Genera
Burnside, and if 80, what were they
A--The only allusion that he made to tn,
General was, l think,i in the beginning of hi
speech, in which he said that he was not therl
by the favor of Abraham Lincoln, David Too
or General Ambrose E. Burnside.
Q-Was any epiihet applied to him during
the speech
A-No, cir. ifthere had been should hav
noticed it, because General Burnside was on oil
personal friend OF mine, should have remem
bered any odious epithet applied to him.
Q-Did you hear the reference to Genera
Order 80, and II 80, what we're the words
A-The only reference that was made to tina
order was some thing to this effect: that h
didn't recognizs--l don't know that can quot
the language-order No. 38 a. superior to OF
der No. J., the constitution, from Gsorg
Washington, commanding, l don't know q
[ this is tho language. ! thought il q very hanC
Isome point at the time.
i Q-Were any violent epithets, such as sep