The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1863-05-12

msot Of Congress, and as 10 from diferen dire0
uon, from the Wet, did not know thai lac 70 b.
the'e. took espeoia. interest Ia listening 70 hu
speech throughout Having 20 follow him. nataf ali)
noted The opics which he discussed believe thai
Q Dd you heir any illusions TO Geaeral Burz,sce b,
name or description, and II 90, what we're theyr
a. fhe only airsion that ne maze to the General
he not there by the favor OF David Tod or Abraham
Lincoln or Ambrose n. Burnside.
O. We're any epithels ppped TO him during the speecb
A. No SIR. II theie had been should have noticed
them, because General Burnside Old friesd of
NINE Should have remembered any odloas epthets ap-
pied to hin,
q I'd you hear the reference Genera, order No $751;
and Il -, what was iH
was something TO this eject that he did recognize
d. not know that cap quote his anguage) order No SO,
as superior to General Order No OF the constitution
from george Washington, commanding. II some
thing 10 thtt enoOt thought 1t was handsome point
al The time remeinbe cd that, because Mr. Va,land
Oh the ConscriTon bill or In some debate somewhere
else when heard him speak.
q were any violent epithets, such as splitting upon,
tramplng under foot the like used at any time In the
speech reference t. that o. der No 49, aud any crit
cism was made upon 1t, what was that criticsms
A. cannot recall any depunciatory epithets applied TO
that order, did not hear them and II had should
have remembered them. The criticism upon the order
made as have stated before
Y. In what Connection did use the strong language
A. Mr. vailandigham discussed the order very briefly
IN order to get away on the four O'Clock train and &C.
cupied most OF his time In discussing other propositions
IL was IN connection with remarks about closing the war
by separation OF the Union He charged that the men IN
power had the power to make peace by separation He
exhausted some time in reading proofs OF thisone was
from Montgomery Blair and another from Forneys Press
He also said there private proofs which time would
disclose He said they pursued this thing until they
found that the democrats unwilling to make any
peace except the basis of the restoration Of the
Union.
@. Do you remember to what, II at all, In connection
with future usurpatons of power he applied his strong
est anguageS
A. cannot say as to the strongest language for he al
ways spoke pretty strongly He denounced In strong Ian
guage usurpatons Of to stop public discussions
and the suffrage He appealed to the people to protect
their rights, the remedy every grievance Twice
In his speech he counseed and warned against violence
or revolution by the peaceful means OF the ballot box
all that wrong Of public nature might DO remeded
and that the courts would remedy all grievances of
private nature cannot quote the language but that
the substance During his speech he referred TO those In
power having rghtul authority and that they shoad be
obeyed He counseled no resistance, except what could
q Was thing said by mo at all looking TO forcblo
resistance Of either law or military orderss
A. Not as | understand It,
Q. What was the sole remedy that urged upon the
A. Tho sole remedy was have stated, In the courts
and in the ballot box. 1 remember this distinctly
because been pursuing the line OF remark at
Chicago aud Fort Wayne and other places where had
been speaking and for the purpose OF repressng any
tendency towards violence among our democratic
g. Was anything said by me on that occasion in Aenun-
citation OF the Consumption BILL looking in any way 70
A. Ny best recQlecton is that Mr.. vallaudigham did
not say word about H.
MIR. vaiandigh am-Not one word.
Q. lid refer 10 the French Conscription law, and
not, by whom was reference made4o its
H 1S 4aa nos. uu h s,s y, na. a. s.a ,d
as not 0eing eompetent evidence nee c. :, ,.o =,
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9. DO you remember my outing from President LIN
oo on p s sa.s " SyV - Iowa WV
%, 1u AZ ~. ~ nav h.v. done so I'm. did not
"a. a. w no'' uo nAs law N'A' w. W. NN NV
e ~ ~, bs.r .,,,,,ar language mad nv MAJ
= Icssnnt reco,Iect n
~ Nv ~ 10. .os sar ny 80 .sr its oommsnca
mani snd hss rsfsrsncc Was made b. me in thai CON
nscs;ono -"
aso,S scr,e Tim, ~ sho, thst Il was carried
~ M .oc ~ slsvsrv snd not So tho restoraton
" Tho In IIn,on y
wha, Ala n. CLAIM, IN hsva haan s original nurnose
and Az n" rasar ~ anv asssra or nroclamuton OF the
prssidsnt in mat connectionY
s rsrsrrsI IN that defence n thu Cr,ttendsn promo
,,o S.ar,n~ Tho war ss for The restorston az he
Iin,on ana mot 70 hresk nm the States
% lid counsel snv other mode in that speech OF re.
ssiiug usurpatons Of arbitrary power except BY free
49, 4. He did not.
Mr. valandeham AS understand that portion Of the
specification which relates the proposition from Rich
mond has been stricken out. will ask no questions
about IL. 4.
70 themf ,x,,,. a..
A.. We'll. occasionally, nr, Valandensm used tnc
words: The President and bis minons put ola not
think ne USED 10 any otner .nan TUG M
Of that term. He did not use Il In connection Win We
army. =. 4, .,n,..,,,,, w,,h
Mr. ValAndenam- od NOT use |" IN c"ono0s'on WIN
the othcers Of the army
Mr.. Cox-n was 10 connection Win srpnrsry arresss
perhaps that he used It,
O. Was not IN connection Win army oonuacsors ana
speculatorsg
Inc Judge Aavocate ou,ectou toltne question anu
the witness had dsncty stated that he did not think
Mr.. V. had applied II TO the officers Oh the army.
O. DO understand you 70 say that the denuncatlons
10 which orefer were chiefly In reference 70 arorary
arrestsf .
A. My recollection Is that that was the connection IN
which II was used He used strong eplthets towards
spies and niormers and dd not seem TO ike them very
much.
Mr.. Vallandigham-As the court mas admitted that
did make distinction between the Butler county case
and the Kentucky spy, l VIII not refer 70 II now
Q. DO you remember the connection In which words
to this effect were used 81 the close OF the speech
rogare " w. p Ss.,,o y, ora - .c, ccn,,r
anu VI LIE III, doc,,n;ns ~ act as nrest,, ~