New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1863-07-27
VA, N. substance Of all tina. took place; that was


fed with the statement made by the noble Nisconnt
at the head of the Government, OH Fndsy evening
| The course taken by my honorable friend, IA the
House is aware has been made the subject OF much
comment in the public press within TIE last ior',
pight We are all subject to that, aud n we feel
that We have done wrong we are obliged TO bear
| the consequences. | repeat, however, ina! a,.ef
| tho statement made By The noble Viscoupt on fri
dav evening and after lew words ssd III reply "
was my wish that this very de icaie matter shou'u
have ended altogether. But tho honorable gentle
man, the Under Secretary for F,relgn Altar,
did not seem at eli satisfied with sucn fernl-
nation Of the subject. lie seemed, III Tact, quite
dlssaiisfed with what tue noble Nlseouh'
had stated. lie tauned and attacked me rs the Or
cans OF the Government had done, with being al
amateur diploualist and special envoy; ana NC
lad me lesson Of prudence, and told me 10 Jake cure
not TO repeat the same conduct. Now must say
that think those remarks OF the bonoFhOio bento'
man were entirely uncaled for lhesr, hear, siter
! the statement which made 10y tue nOOie Is
count al the head of the Government Inc noble
Viscount said one had RI sht 10 eavi WIN
the course which was taken either by my honorable
friend or by myself. The noble NiscotHt Was well
aware as her Maies,y's ministers IN genera were well
aware that for lsst three years and bal! nave
been lab 1rng for tie settlement OF very impo T.
ant ouestion-thc question OF the regulation OF the
maritime relations between France ana this eouh-
Try. was laboring ~ That matter not merely with
tie know leGge, ku with the eanciion ana in's ot
AID with the wish OF her 1laJrsIy's GOverLIncnt.
| | have devoted good deal Of tlme TO that ~ Jc:t
at my own expense; but never up 10 tniH
moment, sid "a word about what had DONE was
lab solely for the good of my country IN quiet
and unosteutalious manner for three years a'ri I.
hall. Hear, hear and some laughter.i Well, " i
ma 10 be tainted with being amateur lD!na'lst,
VINO maze me an amateur dlpOMatl5t W ny, ~ was
her Maiesty's Government. Hear, hear. IL was
tIey tbat sen, me, snd desired me TO DO he W"rA
they ought to have done. Renewed cries OF Hear.
hear H. IN the course OF the various interviews
had with the Emperor OF tie French, bIs AeJcr,y
was pleased 10 speak 10 me about various Olh.T suo
i.cts could not do otherwise than listen; but lu-
yarjably reported to her Majesty's ambassador in
PARIS every word he pleased 10 lay 10 me, after
/ having previously Informed bim that ttonid 80
comrun 10 Lord Cowloy every part OF LIS con-
| yersAtion lioar, hear. The hon. gentleman TIE
Hinder S,creIary tor Foreign AFFAIR." by the atement
| Lee made Oh Friday night, seemed dcsirous thht
should 90 fully into tue whole OF ihis delcate qnes.
ton. For what dlo lie dol lie sald thai slated
" as cent TO tins cuutry on speclhl mstl0h DY ne
Enncror of tie French, and then lie ADDED thai ne
had received tee couradelmg thnt stat sunent
But from whom dld ho receive that Telegram N"s
II from tho Emperor Or from hls Minister All
can say lie that it Is passing strange. VIII not,
no eevcr vt all attempt 10 state TO The House the
circumstances VI the cae tie! are lar 100 delicate
Tor one nc the Hou-e Is aware, have always been
most ANXIOUS 10 maintain friendly relations tsiween
tue Governments Oi the t"o countnes, anu Would
be the isst man TO BAY or DO anything ihat Wouid
uibulN bStNttu Nii' ifIiI'iNs
OF tie French and the Government OF this country.
Air. Newdekate here rose 10 order. The hOuoI"bie
Gentleman r.,d: thiLk tbc llOuse must how b.
aware that the course which has been pursued by
the honorable member for sheffield and by the hon
de member for Sunderland not Only blo Ally III
decorous IL Is that IN oIGer Sir 2! from 81. Roe
bu.k1 bat 10 irnught with very serious cJrte-
onences. lCries ., " Order - aud 80 Char
The SpeaLer--Il docs not appear 10 ne hat any
thing w6ich the honorable member las rad can b.
l.ur fftltt M, IaDII al
question before the House ia that tie order be CO.
charged and nothing has vet occurred, ia my IuiG-
u,en, which does not iegiimaiely arise ooi Of Vat
question.
Mr. Newdegate having again risen amidst crics OF
Chair" snd q" Order"
Inc Speaker couIinued--f what have now ssid
IL supported ana sanctioned by the iouse, II 10 TIE
duty OF the honorable member 10 ncquesce Ia H.
! Hear, hear.
| MIR LiIdsay then resumed-I hope that nothing
will fall from NY lips hich can lie considered con
trary TO the Tue- OF the iioure. never mentioned
20 any person, eAcepi 10 Her MaJrsiys representa-
tive al Paris, abything Which Tie Emperor 81 We
| French wss phssed 10 sste 10 me; tLc will not
repeat any OF those conversations upon tho Piescnl
| occasion. l would bear any rcproaon rather tLhn
that "a Jingle word should fall from my hps that
could tend 70 disturb the harmony winch 1t Is gener-
nly supYosed sxi.ts between Her MaJesty's Cow
eminent aud the Emperor Of tue Frencb--l laugh,
ana some cfies Of Hear, hear. aid the harmony
which really exists between tie Emreror oi the
French and lhe people Of England. Hear, hear i
will not mention any convs'sahon that passed be-
tween me aud the Emperor, unless her
Msiesty's Ministers drive me 10 state l.,
ami think it is desirable they should
not DO 90 But there are certain things am bound
| 10 state and TO them | shall strictly conine myseif
On tue llth OF ApIl, loO2, Lao Conversation with
the Emperor on American ails!rs. he asked me
specially to report that conversation 10 Lord Cow
/ lev | sad that had occasion 10 dine with lord
Cowley that evening, a laugh ana tha' would el-
deavor 10 take any opportunity tLli HlsLl OisT oil
mentioning to hun the conversation. 1 found no
such opportunity that evening; bu. ON parting VIII
Lord Cowley told him that The Emperor wi,h,d
should repeat TO him the conversation and on
the follow ng morning made the conversation known
10 him, but then added, Lord Cowley, axe ears
| ia laugh take care you state " tari Hue
sell ia tho ceaIest possible manner, tue ruaton
why the Emperor has been pleased 10 have this
conversation with mel let there be 10 Eiisu4der-
standing upon that point. further toid him That
Iis NJ lerly ba asked ne 10 return TO hlm with any
resr 10 no might 10 pleased TO make upOu that con-
versation Dear, aud lsughtorI but although con
sidered it NY duty TO report TO Lord Cowley any
tnIDg the Emperor SAID 70 NE, never Reported ~
the Emperor anything heard from Lord Crowley.
! IA laugh Honorable members uiay SMILE, bui
| they will see tie effect Of ibese words. Told nin
that would convey sny statement ne deanei ~
make 10 the Emperor, au1 that lac might, therefore,
say as much little as he pleased. On tno 18Th
/ again saw tue Emperor, aud reported 10 bim what
had taken place. lie seemed satisfied WIN Tue
course had taken, and he expressed a wish that
On my return " London should repsst the CONVEX
salon TO the noble Viscount at the head OF the Gov
ernuienr and 10 the noble Earl the Secretary for
Foreign Affairs / felt great decacy III undertaking
that duty, and l said II War not Becosssry snOuld
perform 1t, inssmuch as Lord Cowley had already
made the conversation known TO Earl Russell.
returned ~ London, but was not allowed ali Op-
portunity Of reporting the conversation either 10
| The noble Vscount at the head oi the Government,
| 4. I.ri fts far a