New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1863-08-06
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EncIi,h Government. Every vess' 4 seized
nd hnrnt was thus debited to the aceo int of Eng
Snd, and formal claim ima'4e for the
smonnt. Her Majesty's Cover Ament had re-
SnssS 10 acknowledge these cla' ms, but some day.
wien the demand could be mad most inconvenIentiy
Tor the Government, the re' alt would probably De
sither humi alton or war. No doubt many persons
In this country would refer war; but was 1t desrs
hs that the intere "a Of the whole community should
be affected by ne conduct of two or three uris "a
this country The hon. member for birkenhead on
former oicasion, spoke OF the gres.er eApTl. y,
srms and ammunition to the Federal States Ihere
port OF hips aud the export of arms and ammunition;
CuupO'Wder was a constant article OF commerce ana
waa extensively used in the operations OF MINING
t.asting &c. To prohibit the export OF ammunition
would, therefore be injurious to large ana regular
industry. There was, moreover, no law against 'nls
export But the laIg undertook TO prevent tue
people of ths country from supplying amps OF war
to be used against friendly Power and the manning
of such ships. Tie hon. gentleman MI Lalrul ns9 9
told the House that he had been applied TO 10 Ould
tbps for the Federal Government. Ii that were so,
the hon. member was quite night TO refuse the ap-
IhcatiOns But he held in his hand an oihclal con-
tradiction 20 the statement Of the hon. MEMBER lor
Blrkenhead.
The Speaker said that this was not proper occa-
eion for replying to a speech made some time ago,
and tire honorable member could not be per le
TO read observations on a speech made ID former
debate. - r .
Mr.. Golden raid he held in bis hand the copy OF
letter which was If Importance in the interest," OF
peace ss we'll as the interest OF truth twas coy!
Of n letter from the Secretary OF the Navy ~ ASH
Inoton TO his Mr.. CObdens) friend Mr. sumner, anu
began {" You invite my attention 10 q Sa'eWsn'
mad bv Mr. Laird" " Order, Order
The Speaker again interpreting, SAID that the
honorable gentleman mi ht make any statement tha'
he thought necessary; but read letter referring
&c q sreech made by member OF that House WAS ou'
Of order. Hear hear.
MIR. Golden would then content himself by say
ipQ that he was Informed that no order bad oeen
,eYt by the American Government TO any firm IN
Tbs country for the building Of vessels OF war. Ke-
veriiug TO the memorial he had presented, ne WoIu
assert that we were bound by motives OF scnlnteT-
est to put down these proeeednss Inc Ensu'u
Government had never made compliant 10 Aeler
lca which was not INN ediaiey attended 10, and tnt
grievance if sny redress and this was The use,
not only during tie disturbances III Y @h'ua, Uu'
also during tie war with Russia Ihe iact was
that public opinion in the United States was IN iaVol
OF maintaining this neutrality code. lie claim o.
the Americans for indemnify for the seizures by the
Confederate vessels bull. in England was under III
ternational, aud no, under municipal law; ana IL
was no snswer 20 them TO say that the law unuei
which our Government acted was u municipal law
Tie fact was that the gentlemen who buil' taese
ships were for their own small gans placing thlr
country IN a situation Of great danger and ember-
basement. He trusted that the uoverhmeh'
would exercise the utmost vigilance IN prevent
ing these armed vessels from leaving our shores.
He thought tina, the arguments both O
the noble earl Russell and the Solieitor-Genera
contained fallacy, because they conisunde1 tw'
thngs-the evidence necessary 10 detsln, ana tha
which wss necessary TO convict these vessels. A
Custom-house officer ought TO have been placed OF
board to prevent the escape OF tie Alabama, Wmci
got away under Pretense 81 taking party OF adle
and gentlemen on Il picnic. IL would ne su1lcen
II one clause were added to the Customs Consoiids
tion Act enactng that before vessel OF war left one
Of our porte Tor foreign country, the builder o
owner should prove for what foreign country sb'
was intended. To interfere with tue quaTres o
yreat States could only lead TO mischief, aud If W.
now interfere in America either by means OF hitting
out vessels OF war or by premature recognition We
should only produce the came results as folowe'
our intervention in the affairs OF France which lea'
20 the extension the reign of terror all over Ger
many. He did not expect 10 live 10 zee two inde
pendent nations within the United States grea
deal had been said in that House on q contrary as
SUMPTION but whatever the issue OF this dreadiu
var might 5e let this country keep clear OF 1t. ii
desired nothing more than that We should be silen
and sorrowful until this great war is over. Hear.
Mr. Laird said be would be prepared 10 prove,
Necessary, that every word he stated on a forme
Ire question was affecting her MaJestys Gov
eminent, he was ready to place his proofs In th
hands Of the noble lord at the head OF the Govern
neut Hear hear.l Tie honorable gentleman th'
me mber from Rochdale had stated that the Alabama
Left Liverpool in al improper way. Now, he begge'
90 tell the honorable gentleman that that vesse
went out of dock III the night, and II the owners o
the vessel had wanted get her away secretly tbei
wa. the time to DO so; but 90 far from that she d
not leave Liverpool till the following morning II
the broad daylight, when her departure was wit
messed by number OF persons. Hear. The Ala
bama was recognized ship, and the best proof 0
that wes that the American Government recognizes
the bonds given upon the release OF the ships take
By that vessel. lie begged to cay with regard L
the thirty Liverpool merchants that they did no
the feeling Of the merchants Of Liverpool
The proposal of the honorable gentleman, If carrie
out, would pat stop in this country to a moe, legit
innate branch Of industry. Hear, hear
Lord Palmerston said-Sir 1 have listened witt
great attention TO the speech Of my honorable fien
abe member from ROchdale; but II appears 10 III
that be and Her Maestys Government, and thin
the country at large, start Ill the consideration 0
the matter TO which be has directed the attention o
tbe Heuse from different points Of departure w
look upon the two parties who Ia arm
sganst each other in America as each Of them bel
Ggerens, and therefore alike entitled, az far
neutral position Lis concerned, TO all the privilege
and r1gnts which appertaln 10 beligerents. Now
II see!us 20 me that that which is running In th,
bead 81 the honorable gentleman, and which guide
and directs the whole Of his reasoning is the feeling
although. perhaps disguised TO himself THAI th
Union still IN legal existence, that there not il
America two bellgerent parties, but legitimate Gov
eminent End rebellion against that Government
Now, that p acee The two parties in very difieren
position from that in which it is duty 20 coneid
er them. Nov, what s the duty Of a neutral in re
gard TO tw o belgerents, and what are the right
Of neu.raIe7 The American Government bav
laid down the position for themselves because the!
have declared that neutral is at liberty 70 furnish
belIgerent with anything that the beliigerent may
choose TO buy-wbether it be ships, arms. anmu
IStion or anything else restriction Is imposed
neutral iii furnishing bellgeIent even with those
things which are material Ingredients III the con.
du ct Of miIdgry operations. Therefore, inter.
palxon.l lay has the Federal Government eny
sgLa ygbats7er TO complain Of this or any Other
country thai may supply party in arms against
iuss xvitb thav unay 4.