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, 1863-04-21
THE CLERICAL IMBROGIIO,
Tenth DAY OF THE HAGER CASE,
lFrom Our Own Repotter,1

.. JOLIET, April 20, 1863.
At seven O'Clock this evening the ctoss ex-
animation of Mrs. White is to he resumed,
and the session will in all probability be pro-
lorged to late hour. During the cxamina-
ton In chief Of this witness, there were
many strange scenes enacted by Ills Lord
ship, the court, counsel, accused, witness and
spectators. The "side shows was worth all
tie hair breadth escapes, the world Of trouble
and immense experience, which have come
upon your correspondent during his soIourn
in This "yalc Of tears" for the purpose of
investigating the investigators.
It will he remembered that Mr. Harer's
sent is in 4 dark corner Of the Star Chamber
and that his back is townrd the witness chair,
His buck is directly in the range of 4 window,
and as it was thought necessary carly in the
trial to sometimes lower the sash, for the
purpose Of letting out the 'sdcmora1ized
air, the result waE, that Hager aforesaid
caught the full benefit Of the fresh brcezcs
thai were at the same time let In, and thereby
also caught cold. By general consent the
window was subsequently kept closed, until
swooning: Tic wEndoT was sass ordered 9Ssds dorn
from the top" At this moment AIr. Haser,
(though he had during the cnfirc
progress Of the trial preserved q dis
eTesf nS r. t,!a n.ienes) mN. heprng to his feet
against tic act, rs he had no desire, lc said,
to be hasfenfd into hnsty consumption. Ii
it was necessary to hure the window Hwnhc
wanted Lis seat changed, so that he could
"eome in out Of the draft" The witness
might faint, It was immatcrial to him, but he
Was not disposed to stand the attem Dtcl out
rage upon ;hc back of Lis neck.
1t is needless to say that the windows re-
nained untouched.
At the close Of her examination Mrs. White
made IN explanation Us 4 justification for the
silence she had maintained in rernrd to fIe
insults complained Of Sic said TIT Size lo lad 1a
kept silence From the fear Of God; from
thu love Of my church from disinclination
to injnrc a minister Of that church, aud from
the lear that 1t would hare come to the Bish-
ops knowledge"
In the course Of her cress-e examination, she
dsTeloped wlo were her couuscllors IN the
affair. Tic following is the passage referred
10, which NOW give, with the understanding
that the whole Of her evidence, direct and
cross, shall appear Mt IN carly day:
Crrs71os-Didy you converse with my one. after
gers conduct to he-}
ASswEE-Idid.
Q-MithYh i hsm, where and when!
|: day or two after the assault.
,Q-Dd YOU converse with aug one previous to
the assault .Tith reference to the matter!.,
except ny relatives.
Q-Didson not haze a conversation with ,me
ons Nhe 2rs rdpG M II ;bs ;hsgg: T. fso Mith whom:
2Was the conversation In dctafl touching your
A@No. only il relation to tho last and most ag-
gravated Insult which he gave me.
2.Ars g 2|, ron cure y0u did not converse with my
Al cannot quite remember. but think with no
, 1863-04-21

Especial Dispatc!! to the Chicago Tribunc.1
St. LOUIE, April %, 1853.
4 runor Is current that the State Couycu.
tion, when 1t assemblies, will be urged to cx-
4eud Gov. CANDLES term another year, for
fear.a radical may be elected at the next cleo
tion. It is not improbable that an effort may
be made in IN opposite direction to remove
him from Office.
Another cargo of Confederate prisoners, IN
cluding officers from Lieutcnant Colonel
down, will leave tomorrow for james Rigcr,
for exchange.
ST. LOUIS, April e0-Additiona1 ndyices
from Fayetteville say the fight there on Sat-
urday lasted about four hours. The rebels
were commanded By by Gen. Cabc1I and rc-
treated In disorder towards Ozark. Our
troops were all Kansas recruits, under Col.
Harrison. They were poorly armed and
equipped, and without artillery.
, 1863-04-21
CHICAGO, TU EsDAY, APRIL q, 1868


months pay due any considerable portion Of
our entire army.
The amount Of demand notes still out, in
Gliding those last issued, Is four million five
hundred and eHty-Eeren thousand dollars. OF
this amount about quarter Of Q million is on
deposit.
Gov, salomon is visiting the Wisconsin reg
1ments In Rockers camp.
The whole amount Of postal currency print
ed is nineteen million three hundred and six
teen thousand dollars, 95 per cent. Of which,
about fifteen millions, is In circulation, the
rect in the hands Of repositories. The print
ing is stopped. It is believed that the new
fractional currency will be ready before the
amount on hand is exhausted.
Senator Wilson returned to-day from tho
army Of the Potomac.
Assistant Secretary Of the Navy Fox went
10 New York Last night.
a British subject who arrived from Rich
mond today reports the suffering In the
South as more extreme than hitherto report
cd, and said that the recent fuel riot was yery
severe there.
Seven hundred and twenty more sick came
up from the army Of the Potomac to lay. The
rest will follow.
Francis Il. Rugg1es, Of New York, has been
appointed Consul at Jautaica, ricc Il. 4. Ris-
by, declined.
WASHINGTON, April 2o.-Gov. Andrew
johnson has been authorized to raise 25. .0N
men for SPECIAL service in East Tennessee.
An extra Cabinet meeting Was held ycster-
ny afternoon and last evening, in which i'm
the var we're reached. They will be dcTel-
oEed by future events.
NEw York, April 2o.-The Commercial has
rumor that Secretary Stanton has resigned
It is contradicted, however, by another. that
tie matter has been compromised.
NEW YORK, April 20.-The Washington
special to The New York Tiqse3 say5: Ex Coz.
Hicks, Of lid, States that \ secret orgauiza.
tlon has been unearthed in one of the counties
Of that State. sworn to join the Confsdera:es
at favorable opportunity.
WAsn1SHToS. April lS.-A new Military
pointed, thus surerscding Stanley.
Il is thought that the Government will re.
t:l1ate for the hanging Of defective Sherman
b. the rebels, near Dfainessillc, on Friday, bv
the summary execution Of Capt, Bowers. q
civilian in tile Old Capitol Prison, against
whom evidence is said to be conclusive Of be-
ing spy.
Ere tic eud Of the week the first steps will
he taken to enforce the corscription act.
keMonstrlrces aytinst the consolidation Of
regiments are coming in.
The official statement of the Medical Di.
rector OF tue Army Of the Potomac shows that
on March ::Sth there were 1o,177 sick. This
Is4tio Ct slcE to tic Whole army is G+109 per
, 1863-04-21
FOE XAToR, THOMAS D. BRfAN.
The ticket it heads is that which pledges
the restoration Of our nat;onal domain.
The other emblem is the old original
Copperhead, on his parent tree.

This Kissing aud poisonous reptile,
spawned in the foul and dark chambers
OF Oppression has dared to raise its Kissing
head in Illinois. It to-day seeks to cast q
censurc on the flag, and an olium upon
the Union causc, by the election Of = man
who has never had one word Of sympathy
FOR the.cause Of the country. Hcis the pup
pet Of men whose sole work is treason,
whose only sympat1,ies arc with the armed
enemies Of the Government
Logolne7 cf Chicago, study tAese <na},em,
!" C1ocse yc this day s,hom ye wlU scrre."
, 1863-04-21
FROM MADISON,
Special Dispatch to the Chicaro T

Especial Dispatch to the Chicago TrIbune.l
MADISON, Wis, April 20, 1868.
The official votc Of 4O counties on Judge
ship, havc been received, showing gains for
Dixon of about 1000 on last falls yote. Only
eight small counties remain to he heard from.
The soldiers yote now reportcdis, Dixon ,s3s
Cothren 4, ,s5s, Di1on's majority 1850. The
3oth regiment gives Dixon 367, Cothren 2S.
Tic 1adies Union league here is doing great
good in looking after destitute families Of
voluntecra. Letters from soldiers in the
field, Fsy nothing hitherto has inspirited
them with go much enthusiasm and courage
as this pledge Of Northern women to make
common cause with them, and care for those
dear ones at home.
Carpenter and Hyer want to sell out tue
Office Of the Tltriot, the Democratic paper
here. The concern has not found Copper
headism very profitable.
Great interest Is felt here By Union men in
your city election, and it is warmly hoped
Chicago will redeem Itself from Copperhcad
rule, and demonstrate its unco1npromisIng
loyalty By votes, as it has by deeds.
, 1863-04-21

e The Coppcrhcad organ finds all
kinds Of fault with the Conscripion Act.
There is one Consc7iption Act against
which that Infamous sheet never offers a
word Of objection-that Of the rebels. The
rebel act is all right, because it procures
mento fight against the Union. Any act
to raise soldiers 10 fight for the Union,
is Oppressive and tyrannica],'' in tic eyes
of the Coppcrhead print. That's where the
shoe ninrhes
, 1863-04-21


We desire to call the attention Of the
taxpayers Of Chicago TO rough fact: In
chapter ', sec 0, Of the City Charter VIC
find the following.
$ T.. Tho Comptroller SHALL make out an
annual st:ltatemcnt for rnIEicntion in Ae,nonth
ef f7rI, in each wear, BEFORE THE ANNU-
Al ELECTION, giving a full and DE-
TAILED statement Of ALL the RECEIPTS and
first day Of said month. the said statement
shall also detsil the LIABILITIES and REsouR-
cEs Of said city, the condition of all uuex-
pended appropriations aud contracts unful-
filled, and The balance nf money then remain
ing in tlc Treasury, with ill The surls due
and oute.anding; the SAAEs OF ALL PERSONS
WHO MAY HAVE BECOME DErAULTEAB 70 said
city, and the amount in their hands uuac-
counted for, and Ill other things necessary to
exhibit the true financial condition Of the
city; which statement, when examined and
approved by the Finance Committee, shall be
published by lin in the corporation newspa-
pcrs.
This statement las not been made; and
We charge upon the men who have admin
istcred the affairs Of the Mayors and Comp
troller's Offices, that their management has
been so marked By b1undering and incom-
potency that they dare not makc an erhibit
efthe affairs cf the city to the 1ecp7c teho arc
going to cote to~tIaye Let it be specially
understood that VIC do not charge, by indi-
rcction even, that Mr.. Sherman and A1r.
Hayes have been guilty Of pccul.tion or
wilful dishonesty. we will say that they
are both superior t. that; but why this Vi
olation Of plain statuto-why this con-
cealnaent Of what every taxpayer ought
to know? Simply because the manage
mcnt, though boasted of in private, will
not bear the light. Simply because Mr..
Hayes is not business man; because Shcr-
man is incompetent; and because, between
The two, they have made fizzlc that would
defeat them, were the truth to be declared !!
We have waited to the last day, in the
hone that the duty imposed by the charter
might be discharged. But this is election
day; and there is no statement yet. Is
not the fact significant? 11r. Sherman,
what does it mean?
, 1863-04-21

Jured wrctches will vote for Sherman and
the Copperhead ticket dozen times in
the different wards
The friends Of Bryan have most to fear
fraudulent voting. Prevent that, and
get out the loyal voters, and the days
work will result in glorious triumph for
the whole Union ticket.
, 1863-04-21

Especial Dispatch to the Chicago T1ibunc.1
SPE1EGrTEyn Mr. Apr;1 M 1cnn

Especial Dispatch to the Chicsgo Tribunc.]
SPRINGFIELD, Mo, april 70, 1863.
The attack on Fayetteville was the result Of
threats referred 10 several days ago, in con-
ncction with the reported approach Of MIR
maauke, while telegraph communication was
cut oil with Springfield. 1t is known that the
rebels hayc mcditatcd IN attack for some ti;nc.
Col. Harrison had discretionary power to re-
treat or fight.
Two companies Of the 10th Illinois cavalry
took part In the action.
The rebels took about forty prisoners dur
ing a daring cbafg &c of The LIST Arkansas loyal
cavalry, but left their own dead on the field.
The rebel forces were chiefly cavalry.
ST. LoU1s, April ao.-Tclcgrams have been
received at headquarters, that Fayetteville,
Ark, vas attacked on Saturday morning, bv
5000 rebels, with four pieces Of artillery. Our
forces, less than 2.0o0, Eepulscd the rebels
with considerable loss. We lost dyc killed
and seventeen wounded.
, 1863-04-21
from WASHINGTON.

Especial Dispatch to the Chicago Tribunc.1
NAsIIrSaTos April -, 1863.
Evening papers here make the following
announcement: We arc glad to be able to
statc, upon the best authority, that the MonI-
tors are uniDjured; that the demonstration
against the rebel batteries in Charleston Har-
Dor is not satisfactory to the Government;
that upon investigation, the latter is satisfied
that, had the programme agreed upon been
carried out, tho distractions in the harbor
would have been removed, tho rebel batteries
reduced, and the city captured.
Gen. Buell. is here on business connected
with taking derositions in his case.
Passengers by the last steamer from Port
Royal say they eaw Col. Montgomery, of the
negro regiment, reported killed by the rebels,
aliye and well.
It is stated at the Treasury Department TIN.
the army Of the Potomac will be wholly paid
this week. There will not then be oYe5 oua
, 1863-04-21

The Poison Working to the
Surface,

Especial Disnatch to t1,c cbicsro Tr5hunc1
Txn,.x.co1,a AMI, an ,esa,
The excitement has abatea to rreat extent
=, uona,;,,-. oou,,+-- T,,o e,..e .. 49,.
~ nsn1i1eAs coon's. aus ioree sent tncFe
LAST night report that the armed bands have
dispersed and gone home. The three com-
n,r;os ,f 1,o,,a r,n,ra. win ha ,,,o - 49,,
I'44Ae7 ~ '4ons - "!'l W 'o.c " Aeel'
down any further disturbances in that county.
Warrants have been issncd for the arrest OF
o11 nort;cs ecc,oea IN t,,o a;e+rrh,,,o ~, o.
- >1~7 ~ 'AA~ 0A7'"' ''A1ee VI @1t-
uloa{-
In Brown county matters do not look so
encouraging. Prosscr has been remov,d in
~. ,o,,se.,s. - Ca.s~.t~ =. -
Ias 4.siuenee at oeoisc'o"n' aiio IL - s1au
that nc ls surrounded By q number Of armed
men, who swear that he elall not be taken.
His tbich hone Ia said to he hrokcn
a t.:,,.s -a..N-.'-
onion "an "a9 hiileo' oessesaas' III tn's
came couty, by one Of these bands Of Jay
hawkers.
prono;ncnt md 1c,d;no ncmoc,a+. fro,o +ba
.o.41n'nI 49, Ae''a4ns Demoe.A 40 tioA sne
ao1ohlns coantlcs pave gone TO Brown to
counsel submission to tue laws, and prevent
fnrther h1ooaehrd
p-a.,;.e~. na.ss..
1Fo1Aliens Nelnoelats WHO were mol mem-
, 1863-04-21

The Coppcrhcad organ has been rausacking
old Nose. c.of-Wax's anteccdents, to find soma
thing on which to ad7ocate his reelection,
and has made the discovery that he possesses
"horsc sense" But in the search, tue Cop
perl1cad print strangely oycrlooks several
anteccdcnts' to which it might be well to
call Its attention. For example:
Last spring, Storey promised Sherman to
make him the candidate for Congress upon
condition Of receiving the city printing. The
bargain was lived up to, and here is some of
the dirty work the poor tool has done:
lie refused to recognize tho Anniversary Of
our Freedom, aud TN away from the city to
uyoid 1t.
Hc refused to allow Hon. Daniel s. Dickin-
son to deliver the Fourtl, Of July Address.
He refused to allow Hon. Lewis Cass, life
long Democrat, to deliver it.
He refused to allow any prominent War man
to deliver it, and compromised by allowing
Mr.. Aver, City Attorney good citizen, but
a u1all who had never taken an active part in
the war beyond other citizens-and whose DC.
litical views were unknown-tod deliver 1t; and
for so doing, Aver has now had his throat cut,
and is thrown overheard by the Convention,
and rank Copperhcad nominated for the
place to which he asnirea.
Hc refused to be present at q meeting of MI
citizens. without regard to party. to welcome
back 4 gallant soldie.-Gen. .Turchiu.
He has .ercr presided or bee,, prss.nt at a sju-
gle .oar meeting in this city.
He did preside while . speech was delivered
by the traitor Fernando Wood. who expressed
lis regret that he could not send ia the soutb
arms seized br the Government at New York.
and who demands that tho war ha stonnca
and The tnden.ndence NJ the rche1s crnnted
, 1863-04-21
From Cincinnati.

has sent West instructions that claims Of
turnpike and bridge companies for toll on
Government account shall be settled by pay
ing fifty per cent upon the amount Of legal
toll proved bE satisfactory evidence.
It is etnted that Gen. Burnside has express
ed the opinion that the rebellion will end
within the next nine months, and that no
European Intervention will take place. This
conclusion is believed to be based on know1-
edge of contemplated operations now COM
, 1863-04-21

It is suspected that a Union League cx-
lists in this city, and that several voters be-
long to it. If the surn,ise he correct, it is
fair to presume that each of them will nav
q little attention to getting the loyal voters
to the polls, and that they will do all in
their power to secure the election Of true
and reliable men, and none others, from
the lowest to the highest candidate. The
Knights OF the Golden Circle will be as
busy to-day as Old Nick in a gale.o wind,
to secure the triumph Of the Copperhead
ticket. Let the League boys remember
that eternal vigilance is the price Of liberty.
, 1863-04-21

Junction Of Eastham's and Hedgeman's
Greek, and from there to Liberty, where they
now are. These two met with trialng oppo-
sition, and hare sent in some ten or twelve
prisoners.
The rebels appeared in large force, but We
doubt much If they will be able to greatlrrc-
tard us, should our leaders determine here to
cross.
NEw foRK, AEIi 2o;-The 1est thas report
mac Saturday, that Gen. Stonenlan was heard
from Saturday afternoon. lie had reached
Cu]peprer Court House, where 5000 rebels
we're surprised and captured. 4 number Of
the Harris light cavalry were killed in o1c-
Tious skirmisll. The story IS doubtful.
, 1863-04-21
The UNION COUNTY REBELS,
TWELVE OF THE ANNA MUIR
DERERS IN CUSTODY,

Especial Dispatch to the Chicago Tribune
CAIRO, April 20, 1861
Capt. Kee1er, Provost Marshall Of this
place, with one hundred men of the 18th
Iowa, left on special train for Anna, 10 az
restthe parties that rescued the descrters
from Thompson. His advent it seems was
anticipated, for on his arrival he was only
able to secure two horses in the whole neigh
borhood. An armed force Of about one hun.
dred and fifty, left about an hour before his
arrival. He has succeeded in capturing the
Lieut.. Of the company. He also arrested
number OF sympathizers with them, and sup
posed to be connected With the rescue of the
deeerters.
He also arrested 4 descr:er from the Goth
Illinois regiment, named Jefferson Miller.
, 1863-04-21
CHOOSE EEs

If Chicago is loyal, now is the time to
demonstrate the fact. There are the two
tickets. On the one every name is that Of
a man whose de-otion to his country and
Government was ncycr suspected. On the
other there is no name without q taint Of
dis1oyalty by association or By choice.
Choose between the two. HIr. BRYAN
heads the one; Mr.. Sherman the other.
, 1863-04-21

c% The Copperh cad print says that Mr.
Bryan is not d resident Of Chicago! lie
resided here before the Detroit refugee was
expelled from that city for opening his
fre-in-the-rcar on the soldiers, 2nd will he
4 citizen Of Chicago long after the same
wretch is sent, under escort Of file of
soldiers, to 6ecessia, to his rebel friends
whom he loves so well.
, 1863-04-21

It is necessary for the honor Of Chicago
that the Copperhcads should be thorough
ly bcatcn to-day. To. demonstrate to the
world that the city is sound to the core
iadisso]ubly welded to the cause Of the
country, and eterna1ly hostile to secession
and treason-the victory should be COM
pletc. Not a Coppcrhead should be
spared not one. If there are those who,
while protesting loyalty, have permitted
1neir names to be used on the ticket for the
purpose OF alluring votes for others, really
1feasonabie, let them suffer with the COM
pans .ha' lhey keep. A clean sweeps the
thing!
, 1863-04-21

San FRANCISCO, April 20.-Artived, ship
Dashing Wave from Boston; steamer Moses
Taylor from San Juan yin Realgo In twelve
days. Passengers all arrived well Sailed,
ship White Falcon, for Acapulco, with coal
1or opposition line steamers.
Markets generally dull and yery little trade
from first hands within fortnight. Domcs.
tic spirits Glow at m average Of 45c. Alcohol
q 1-2a65c. Crushed sugar 19c. Butter dull.
Olive Oils better. Hard Coal $13.
J. IT. Osborn, pioneer farmer of Napa
county, WIS murdered by laborer, lately in
hls employ, on Saturday.
az cnandwicla Island dates received up to the
@oln ol AaEch. News unimpo1tant.
, 1863-04-21

New {oRK, April Ca Port Royal letter
Of the 18th says, our new Monitor, making
eight in all, arrived here yesterday. The pro.
rellcr Haze la 5nst come mtg port, frcighted
They aro I'll to be strengthened By this arri-
val, in the way ofadditional covering. A few
days, perhaps weeks, will find them stronger
than before the attack on Cha1lcston.
, 1863-04-21

NEW YORK, April e0.-Thc schooncr Ante
lope from Charleston, 4 Port Royal p:ize to
the United Sto es steamer Memphis, taken off
Charleston, with cargo supposed to consist OF
salt or saltretre, has arrived here.
On the 10th Of April, when of Po:t Royal
ten miles, tic Antelope Eaw 4 large anglo
rebel paddle wheel steamer steering south,
painted lead color, with white smoke stacks,
and without masts. Ten miles further north
she saw another anglo-rebel steamer towards
Charleston.
NEW ToRK, april so.-The bark B. Co1cord,
which arrived onight, reports that April 10,
in lat. 50, long. 50, 1t p. m, she picked up
two boats containing sixteen men from the
rebel eteamcr Ganoso. Captain Adams, from
turpentine, who reported leaving the steamer
at noon in sinking condition. Being short
Of provisions, next day, when abreast Charles
ton, let seven of them have boat to 70 On
shore, and brought the remainder to this
port: The steamer Ganoso was 125 tons. and
and had cargo Of seventy mine bales Of cot
ton and twelve brls Of tur rcntinc.
On the 12th, heard heavy firing at Charles
, 1863-04-21

EWc don't say TINT every man whorro-
poses to yote for Sherman is disloya1; but
we do say that all the disloyal voters in
this city will vote for him; and that they
control his marty,
, 1863-04-21

One day ahead Of Chicago.

Especial Dispatch to the Chicago Tribune.]
B1ooa1SGTos, Ills, April 70, 1853.
Our city leads yours By one day. I send
you tidings Of glorious Union victory. The
city WAS carried to-day by two hundred and
sixty majority for the Union candidate for
Mayor. The majority last year vas only
tuent5 nine.
, 1863-04-21

When you hear Shermanitc blowing
of steam about bringing contrabands into
Illinois, ask him what he thinks of lis
man Sherman, who filled his hotel with
imported negroes, to the exclusion Of white
servants
, 1863-04-21

Every Chicago soldier at home On fur
Tough or leave OF absence, Is entitled to a
vote next Tuesday. The Constitution, Art.
VI, Sec. 8, says.
mo e1ector ehall be deemed to haze lost his
residence In this State, by reason OF his absence
Ga thc business OF the United States, or Of the
State.''
Every soldier in the field is "absent on
the business Of the United Etatcs," and
therefore retains his residence unimraircd
in the county where he formerly belonged.
Let the soldiers vote!
, 1863-04-21

ES Every man who is opposed to the
fire-in-thc-rear on our soldiers in the field
will vote for Bryan and the Union ticket.
Every Coppcrhead will vote for Sherman.
4 man is known By the company he keeps.
, 1863-04-21

e Michigan has gone Republican in
her late Judicial Election by large IL
crease Of her majority last fall It's about
10000.
, 1863-04-21

sAnS1A, G. W, April eo,-The straits Of
M1IWArKER, April CA feet of propel.
lers arrived from the lower lakes Last nieht.
There Is floating Ice IN the Straits, but there
Is no difficulty In navigating, '4'N~
, 1863-04-21

1ERH,
The election law was chancoa ,,,- 4ho
Copperhead Legislature for tllc e-,ro..
purpose Of promoting fraudulent, ,vot;nc
1t therefore behoores the Union men To hc
doubly yigi1ant in challenging and watch
ing the "repeaters" who travel from ward
to ward and attempt to yote in each.
When the scoundrels are detected, have
them promptly arrested and slapped into
The lookup, and held for trial. Unless
1hey are closely watched, many Of the per
, 1863-04-21

,BLooA1SeTos, Ill, April 20.-At the city
e1eetson, held to-day, the entire Union ticket
mas erected, except the Alderman OF the Filth
rest ranging nearly TIC same.