The New York herald., 1863-07-23

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Lord r,I.sfissfos.--The norsbe member foS sundsr
Monday should D. prepared 70 state lhe ooarse which
ner Majesty government intend ~ pursuA think ~
right 10 explain that meant " no sucn thing (sar
near.l
Mr. IIspsAr.-An meant was that the SCOTIA was now
due, aud that perhaps the news she might bring voalo
ad tho government 70 change tho views they nov noa
After remarks from Messrs. Kingsaks. Gregory,
Osborne Forster Newdegats and Lord X. Cecil ~ 70 the
necessity Of Mr.. Roebuck making personal explanation
Mr.. GionoRY remarked that, FROM what bad Taller
casually from the honorable member for sunderland ~
reference 10 the statement made the other night by me
aas ooeurrod. and that !, Is syiden. this House
aud the country do not know tho real state m .ne
case sometiug, | think, has occurred whicn .as
ere och government rather the Emperor Of
considers 10 be afiront put upon him py osr
Foreign oilee. tear, hear The under secretary told
MS that when Taron Gros read the despatch OF rovem
%o ahoad ns 70 wh be refused % copy
because previous despatch OF February hAd neen
Ia manner q which the Emperor diapproyea tnai =
a cont whlrh the honorable aud learned member lof
sheffield and honorable member for sunderland have
right 20 Insist should be cleared up IN this House, be-
case almost the whole OF their tale rests upon q.
Mr.. Rofsgcx said--Tlicy say that amid a multitude Of
counsellors there il smelly qlear hear. aud laugh
viii accept advice OF the noble lorc fCec who has
nst sat down. ana reserve my answer TIL Monday.
think that very much better answer VII bs given
drawn distinction between tho personal aud the o
itical quos tion, am bound 10 say for myself tbat1 VIII
give my answer on Monday. fHcnr. bcAr)
Mr. LA,ARn--After wtar has allen from h 'norsble
members for Galway md idersrd canno sir remain
quite siert but before answering ,hs honor9oe men.be
fer Sunderland, be- 10 rut my honorable friend the
member Tor Galway right one point lie said thai
lad stated To The House thst Baron Ores refused u
give cory ~ despatch. stated nothing " the
Siud. What ] sa,d y as thar a copy OF the despatch
Nas rot let with her Majesty's government. be
spaseh, but hlic ono having been published IN tho
henae,, and that, therefore, II Was not nece soiy 70
l"avc copy Of IT, come 10 the statement cf the
honorable member for Sunderland. II win be recoiected
that two allegations made ny the honorable aud
learaed member shciea. The first .as thai com
munication bad bccu made recently by tho kmpernrs
government bis ambassador IN this country. request
iug him 10 ascertain whether the British government
nent in the recognition OF tho Confederate Sta'ca
Tho second that despatch had been communicated
to The government Of Wnhneton BY her Majesty
government which dcsnatch had been copddensiy
by the Emperor OF The French 10 her Majcsiys govern
nent. and thar on that account tho Enpstr declined 70
make another propoa 10 her Majestvs cosornnent As
regards Tie lEt statement. can sriy eler ~ the answer
given in the Aoni,ep. ihai answer aprenrs "a be
peie and conclusive u shows that the emperor hea oot
SAID what the honorable member stated .Ivlo, Nfiesg
aid srds hot he sh-h ,e7unt IA cros hound Lsr
Rciesp's oo'tpiqsat .as s1cd. With RESPECT TO the
oooni statement tre honorable men ber ;nr sunderland
has 10 ught put II entirely On different Hsne. The
statement made tne one' night was that ~ cfnseqenc
tns alleged bresch ~ oouGdcuoe the fnperor had
mode - fresii prep 81 70 her Maestys gcveranieri
Wen, u the ,lerWch ~hith We were asenacd u ccmnr
nca'ing 10 me American government seat 10 t'-
country IN February April OF last year.
stated by my honorable frioaa, tnen tins whalc
IN. accusation fails 70 the ground, b'ciUe ne pro
gosu made ri aoarS af9rcafds. (aiurnars.1
me tropoSci " NJ Ffnch wrv7'nen' rih rao'd Dc
rccogni,oa ot As CtRT deyps Sd'cs muir Nos
Ter 70 hcr UaicfS grns, III The stutau.ent nr te ht
Is thai. ov my 10 despatch OF F,brnary april
li events Of the spring of sst year having been rinn
ncted 10 tho American government therefore tho Er
r"ror would make 10 fresh rro!oga 20 the Brtsh
government Tor I'M recognition Of the coniedcs,s.
states. Ncll, that despatch thus communicated
IN the month Of February or April. hoe came
that the proposal should haze been made to her
Iaestys government 10 the month of November o' that
year Clear hcar.) icave = tof my honorable Trend
70 explain that discrepancy I.nl ha,o the Nor,e5'
a my hand ard there tho dsspcteh 10 distinctly aicdea
70 as tc oespa'ca cf uc'nncf The Kpnadiv ciearN
poins 10 the despatch al ociober tho despatch which
was communicated. t''No, mo- from Mr.. Roeb.c<)
tose most aiisiH ard .pfesyrrig 'ho' deach sssn
10 her hcjeats Go,trpw'nt Nv The French Csve,n1 'rn
csn'' nforra 70 h- imsricil cors,'osn lcteh-,
nat cespat1, urs aat az a ldsr or de sdilg f'1f
Of The 4oar (iiear, hcar.) myscl bnye
gone through al the ,arors de1Iaich bv irspat %.
that there ian DC mistake whatever the pout
The chief clerk c the department has done the same and
ply this day requested another clerk 10 make stll
further research 80 a, have hnd three careful re
searches made, beginning WITH the cemmcrccoont of
lse2 downwards aud assert IN the distinct
aer on ny honor that there !, NJ lrice or such d.
patch tHear, hear To tbs bfs. OF nv belief and
knowledge uothig OF that kind his occurred aud must
that on the part o. the honcr lcc aud learned gentle
man. there mnst have been some great msapprrheuslnn
Mr.. RoFst tK-i here hes been no nlisaprrehension
Mr.. LAYAED-.a smileF thing happened 10 tho hon.
member for sunderland on previous oecsslon and an
surprised that he did not take warning from what hen
occurred through his amateur diplomacy 1ast t6c
hon. member to this cruuuy With what
allied confidential commnn cators from the hnpenr Ne
bad however, scarcely returned home when received
telegram saying hat the non merber hnd not been autho
fzed 10 make That IL precisely
what now. lbe honorable gentleman had, sup
pose asked hs Ma csty whether he HI be allowed ~
mention what had passed at the interview, and Dg Fin
gssror, ms yo tvr 0nd corio ico,ia t,pfT
fhas need H. mode stcrs s1f all The rofd ss.gaf
inocofr nut, pre- ming rom thesc words th,t tho
Emperor had made n hs special cnvoy The honorable
member n the bc,6f hat h8 bore that char
acter, and nil the mistake has arisen IN that way
onvirced that this there has been great msap
drebenson to MI tDat toos place. and trust the tgn
honorable members win not fall the trap
acain.
III conclusion lord pnxsSsfov, 10 reply to Mr. Ayrion,
sad:-in 70 my honorable rnd may ba allowed
4, that what propose 70 do in fEglmeni %
pledge to my honorable and learned riond-nar,civ.
x tho adjourned debate the first order for Monday
Therefore. honorable and LEARNED friend proceed
with the debate IL viii bn the arst busntss and he
not, wB then take The rortnoations bill and
- nall.r u.