Vermont watchman and State journal. [volume] (Montpelier, Vt.) 1836-1883, 1863-11-13

Mr Stoughton called up Senate bill Y providing Tor
the payment Of dfafe troops, the question being upon
M stoushton said tina, this bill provides only for the
payment Of troops already in the service snd asked the
chairman Of the committee military Affairs the reason
" thus reporting he bill
Mr. Nioiols stated hat the committee had reported
hyotaby the hin u order that IT might be brought
up al the same time with other bills " similar chafac
Ter which had been referred 70 other committees.
On motion Of Mr. Stoughon. the vote ordering The bill
TO third reading was recon|deted and the OH was re-
committed 10 committee on military affairs
Mr. clark Of Bennington. f'r committee on finance
asked be excused from the further consideration u
l6 relating 70 State pay drafted troops; agreed to,
and the BILL on motion OF Mr. Clark referred to the com
On motion Of Mr. Bradford. the Senate adjourned.
House.
Heading Of scriptures and prayer by the chaplain.
journal " yesterday read and approved
Joint Rosoh, ion-From the Senate granting use OF
the representatives hall this (Monda evening for the
purpos Of hearing address by DsvCy on the sub
BW introduced Mr. Hinokley. to incorporate the
Chelsea cemetery associations to com on corPorsions
com on claims u increasing the salaries Of judges Of
the supreme court 10 com Of ways aud means.
Engfossed'b'ps III l62 Amending ch of tbs geucr-
vi st,ue' relating 20 orders drawn on county ucasWes
House bin III repeating 10 ch 10 Of the general
statues relating 20 exemptions, was returned from he
Senate with proposals OF amendment On motion OF Nj
Don the amendments were referred to the com on milf
taty adars.
House bill l5I the college bill was taken up.
Mr. Parker Of Middlebury said he opposed to the
bill aud would give some Of his reasons lie was oppos.
ed to il on general ounds doubling II the people
prepared Tor the We have two old ns utions.
which coeya with The existence almost Of the state
itself and more recent origin which is now very
prosperous II could not be that the people prepar
ed give up the ties snd attachments and interests,
$ which they hold IN these institutions.
Il becomes us 70 inquire whether this bill is suited to
accomplish the object that proposes He thought 1t
would utterly fail. In the first place presciibes
cuar way to bring about the proposed union 10 1871
the corporation Of MddebuGy college received an invita-
a. bring about
tween those two colleges. They met and worked in
|haImony but when they got the question Of commits
soners, it took them half day 20 hx upon them. IL
mentioned this simply to show he difficulties in the WAY
Of prosperous union.
In this bill there COMM sioners already named -
They are good men, and might DO their duty we'll But
the question is whether they will satisfy the coleges-
They have had no voice in the selecon and they MAY
be wholly dissatisfied.
There are other objections The bill provides that the
corporation shalt be liable for the debts of the prcsen
colleges which shall transfer their property 10 the
college corporation. In instances their VI perry
is ofsuoh nature that it cannot be transferred and he
presumed that there might be many other difficulties
Between now and n At August this union must be of
ected, II A. all The colleges may discover many df
fculte, that they should desire union, they cannot
bring it about soon that This bill had begun me
movement wrong 1t proposed college without place
toput it The commissioners ought to be agreed upon
by the colleges, an then have voice in the location.
1t seemed ito him II there choice on the part Of the
people to unite the colleges, the way is not to do /,
without their consent but leave them to agree upon the
ID way as well as upon the purpose
Another objection. III did not think an agricultural
college could be appended to another college and be
prosperous. He cited eases in New York, showing in
.cong'uty in the working Of the measure. When
there is college OF aborets connected with college OF
Students there distinctions and glowing up
that worked badly In France their colleges Of industry
were prosperous because they were disconnected with
any other lie cited cases in England ireland and
SEQ land but to his mind was su an open question
as TO what is The best way establishing agricultural
college When that Is the case, he did not believe IL
was best bind the people Of the state between and
next August un question so important lie believed
D G
But told that delay will hazard the loss Of the
college fund How will thatbe? Under this bill the A
gent will sell the scrip and pay TO the state the in
erest the proceeds semi annually TO be appropriated
Tor the purpose named Whether this act passes not
all this will be done. The proceeds and interest may
main in the hands Of the state to be Appropriated for the
purpose 'henevcr the state get round 10 it. He
unable to see why the institution must first be estab
llshed in order to this fund
A to the time allowed Tor establishing the college,
there were three yeafs ldt yetby the act Of c nHess-
lie thought should not take this matter in hand and
run asAy from theipeope with it.
/ With regard to our colleges not being Of dignity
enough 70 Keep our students IN the state he cited the
case Of Dartmouth college last year From this state
they had thirty two students, while from Massachusetts
which is full Of wealthy colleges, there iortytwo
In Middebury college out Of sixty Eve Students there
were twent, eight from this state and the from other
states The number Of students is indication Of the
value Of colleges He cited other among which
was Llwrence university and denied the assertion that
our colleges cha liable institutions. His cited
showed hat Vermont colleges were the same basis OF
colleges in other Taking the question for all in
all, he could but oppose the bill be ny cdedly i'm
practicable in nearly every resptc'.
MIR Cook Of Weybudge agteed with the gentleman
from Mddiebury and argued the question at some length
lie thought the legislature would the colleges aud
the people by acting on this question now ltcan be
acted upon more wisely at a later day.
Mt Smith Of Hadviek said it desirable that there
should be instead Of three colleges in the State H.
could that this bill shut the door the colleges
against voice in the location Of the new institution
lie thought the bill offered fair inducements to them
and did not compel them II August was too soon, he
would favor extending The time II they would come TO
/ a u,
allowed but he thought II good feature Of the bill
/ TO propose plan to the colleges
/ Mr. kiugtf Benson moved TO dismiss the bill.
Mr. Daniels Of Grafton thought the bill proposed vast
expense aud he was for giving uur money TO support the
war instead II any other measure lie had had xper
enoc IN locating land claims 1t was fact that ands
must be we'll located they worthless It Is not the
land so much a. the location that gives value these
lands would probably be located by Of no practical
kno~edge and they therefore would stand good chance
10 be worthless.
II would take these lands as gin and pay the
taxes on them The gentleman # m Middl bury had
said we had no place 70 put the college he would add
that have nothing 70 build with liz hoped the bin
would be dismissed lie then state the meth
cd OF locating lands and showed the Importance OF hav'
ing it well done.
The House having voted viva wee to dismiss the BILL
MI Chandler called for the yeas aud Aid said
lie was gratih that the gentleman from Middlebury
that when he drew he BILL he had IN view the grand
suit and studously avoided every Partially. This sub
eot was one Of vast importance to the State Last year
the impression that was too early to act upon IL,
aud that this year would be satisfactorily arranged, AT
this session the has been amply considered and
passing upon It is " running away from the PEG.
pie lie thought there would be time when the
people well prepared, and when those in interest
would be harmonious the subject this session
The time act Is now, aud for the that the land
had got 10 be located and the u is done the better
The state Of Rhode Island had her lands but not
another State therefore Vermont had tie second chance
in the Market and sht avail herself of it, II we
wait six months, shall be far behind perhaps
have TO take up with worthless lands.
He thought good could be selected fix upon the
location, aud replied 70 the gentleman from Mddebury
with regard TO farm schools. This IL not a pfoposition
for any such purpose The adoption Of the measure BY
Congress was an expression Of sound opinion the
scheme proposed was not an impraoucabe one.
He then set forth the true character Of the institution
proposed TO be incorporated and argued that the growing
( wants Of the age demanded such a college.
What II the boon from Congress is small Yet We
ought to accept IL, aud make the best Of little III Ad
4 vocated the policy Of scientific and practical ton
strongly, paid high compliment TO science and spoke
eloquenty of It's great ACHE, lie related his ob
ser'auon on an elegant farm the banks Of Hud
son, and his conversation with the owner who was !
graduate Of Norwich University This was an argument
. in favor OF agricultural science.
lhe state wants an institution for its patronage
and It's own Advantage such would educate all poor
children such an one this bill proposes incorporate
II is the duty Of the Legislature TO 90 IT, and Il We ar,
not tecreant 10 our duty shall do Congress has
ISoposed 10 help and everything Is favorable IN,
other colleges can cume in aud share in prosperity
They can have seven OF the be chosen out of
the own buafds, aud have the free exercise OF
their opinions religious and political Every member