Worcester daily spy. [volume] (Worcester [Mass.]) 1850-1888, 1863-02-05

country to support. 1t was Mr. Charles's
opinion that the southern contederaCy would
be acknowledged, and that we never could
subdue the south; that if it hadn't been for
the id black republican party we never
should have had a war. Cross-cXamined-
Don't recollect the time Of these conversa-
tons.
AFTERNOON SESSION.
Clement II. Chase OF Fiskdae, has heard
Mr.. Charles frequently talk Of the war with
various persons. Heard him say As he was
going to town meeting, there ought to be a
property qualification for voters; that no one
else ought to have the right or privilege Of
voting away his money; he opposed the war
on nearly every ground; said the rebels
ought to be let alone that we had no govern
ment; that it was rotten from the foundation;
Charles said to an Englishman, "What are
you here for, why don't you go back to your
own country?" Charles told gentleman that
he would give him 500 if he would enlist;
that the soldiers who had gone were scaly fell
lows; that they might as well maintain their
families there as anywhere; heard Charles
and Avery on the evening referred to the
conversation was rs Mr. Avery related it;
Charles thought the war was a bad war; heard
him say when they were raising the nine
months men, that we were getting a better
Charles and Ore Parker.
Cross Xamined-lIeard no other conversa-
ton with MIR. Charles than before related !;
Charles, in conversation with witness, con-
corning the soldiers, qualified his sentiments
by saying, "Some Of them" He said to b.
S. Chase, he would give him 500 if he would
go to the war; said he meant what he said :;
did not know of the conversation of Charles
with Parker; heard Parker repeat it, did not
hear Charles qualify his statements when he
said there was no patriotism: he did not say
"Some of them" had no patriotism, bit there
lcaS no PATRIOTISM Charles was called, in a
conversation with Mr.. Shepard, a SeceSSioniSt,
which Charles did not deny he was called a
id old scamp, which Charles did not deny
saw Mr.. Avery, and heard him say he caused
the article in the paper to be written and
printed.
Benjamin Clark-Engaged for the Midland
railroad company, surveying the route from
Palmer to Southbridge VIM. Lester had
charge of the whole party, some ten or twelve;
stopped at Parker's hotel in Fiskdale two
nights, of Dec Sth and 9th; saw Mr. Charles
on one of the evenings, in conversation with
stranger, in the edge of the evening; there
were many persons in the room at the time;
was there ten or fifteen minutes; did not on
either OF the evenings witness such scene as
! d pclSOl IlSillS anu ldhlHS Oh HIS coat; TWO
members of the surveying party were not
present in court.
Charles n. Plympton lives in Sturbridge; is
acquainted with Charles saw him and Avery
IN the bar-rOom at Parkers hotel when he
went in on the 9th of December; Mr.. Clark
and one other were in that evening; Charles
was there when Avery came in; did not see
any conversation between Avery and Charles;
nothing was said to each other or of each 9TH
er; did not see any one in the act Of rising to
take off his coat; was in a position to see and
hear what was said and done; did not see any
demonstration such as is described by Mr..
Avery; heard Avery say there had been too
much said about it; recollected the evening
because the railroad men were there there
was stranger in the room, lght-compleX-
Toned, light haired man.
Robert Bryson of Southbrdge was engaged
on the railroad with Mr.. Clark, was at the
hotel on Monday and Tuesday evenings, Dec
s and 9; saw Charles there Monday evening;
did not see him there Tuesday evening; know
Mr.. Avery when see him; did not see any
such transaction as is spoken of in the papers,
heard no conversation between them; did not
see Avery there on Tuesday evening; did not
hear any conversation while we were in the
bar room. Two or three Of us were playing
and making "a noise
Albert Harris-cannot say that he saw any
stranger in the room, was stranger himself;
heard no such language as was spoken of by
Mr.. Avery, nor saw any one rise to chastIse
any body; have not been told by Mr.. Avery
that he was the man selected that rose to chas-
tise Charles; live in Wilimantic, CT.
Cross eXaminaton-Was in and out of the
bar-room; could not say that his talk with
Avery was III the afternoon or evening.
1t was conceded by the defence that the re-
naming railroad men were in attendance and
heard or saw nothing of the kind related by
Mr. Avery.
Francis Clark-Work for Ore Parker;
was in the bar room on Tuesday evening; saw
Avery that evening; he came in at the front
door, and sat there some time. Mr.. Harris
was there.
Cross examined-There was some noise in
the evening; could not recollect that he had
said to Mr.. Gray and to Mr.. Bartholomew
that it was Tuesday evening.
Ore Parker-Recollected that the railroad
men were at his house; part of them were
there two nights was at home Doth nights
did not see Charles or Avery there the last
night; | should think there was a man there
from Boston, who occasionally stops there-a
gentlemanly appearing man, medium size,
spare, dark complexion, dark beard have
heard Avery say that it one of the
IdHTOau men lie SAD afterwards that
it was not a railroad man. Avery said
Gray was a id foo-might have put
his name to the article, and he couldn't be
touched, he was one of Uncle SANS men,
Avery told him it was true. Never heard of
it before it was in the paper. Sure he did not
tell Mr.. Chase the conversation he related on
the stand in the morning, regarding CONVEX
saton with Charles; should think Mr.. Chase
did ask why he did not tell the whole story
Don't know what reply he made; should
think Mr.. Charles did say, ''Why don't you
go along with your company" shouldn't say
that he did't say 1t; should rather swear that
he didn't than did.
Mr. Hoar-We have no doubt you would,
sir.
Wtness-Think he did say horse jockies;
won't swear what he did say.
VIM. IL. Skerry-live in Sturbrdge; do
business with Mr.. Charles. Never heard him
talk on the war but very little.
Avery p. Taylor--live in Fiskdale, some
30 or 40 rods from Charles; have attended
the town meetings when all the bounties were
discussed, the question of raising money to
aid families of volunteers and raise bounties
for three years and nine months men. Mr..
Charles was present at the first meeting; he
opposed raising money on the ground that
the state would not refund it; heard Mr.
Charles'S remarks at the second meeting, his
opposition was the same as before. At 1.-The
third meeting he opposed raising money be-
cause a subscription had been started; Charles
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