Vermont watchman and State journal. [volume] (Montpelier, Vt.) 1836-1883, 1863-11-13

would have no hestancy In giving this fund hA, coll
cge But have three colleges, and It s claimed that
by the passage Of the bill shall do injustice to tne Of
them, and on this account asked to pu' N the
matter until another session. But will not the ,ame OBJ
lection be urged before the next legislatufoi
lie thought this bill would place definite plan before
the people, who could act upon IL as they may fit
Buhe also thought that the college should be under the
cunuold the Legislature Therefore he moved to com
init the bill 20 senator to amend by eddng another
section, providing that this act may be repealed by the
next Legislature and may be altered or amended by any
ututo Legislature a. the public good may require.
Nj Nichols favored the mnon, and said that although
he had originally opposed the bill yet as he Senate had
amended the bill by extending the time until the htt "
November n this amendment should be adopted he
should feel constrained TO vuie for the bill.
Mr. Englesby read article from the general statutes,
stating that all acts passed BY the legislature may be
altered, amended rpei led a. the public good may
quire, and thought the amendments unnecessary.
The motion agreed to and the bull committed to
Senator richardson and the amendment made.
On the question Of the final passage Of the bill Mr.
Clark VI Bennington demanded the yeas aud nays.
The bill further discussed by Messrs Stafford and
Stoughtun in favor Of the BILL aud the yeas and nays be-
ing aiken were as follows!
Cle,cian d, Cowles Cree knglosby, tatrs Keith Kel-
lam, Lyman Nichols, Pollard, Richardson, Saford
Stevens, Stoughton Welth, Wiaus-20
Ndgs-Messs Bouum, CLARK of Bennington, Cush-
man. uolcomb, Pock-5.
so the bill was passed.
On motion Of Mr. tauar, The Senate adjourned.
HOUSE.
Reading Of scriptures aud prayer BY the chaplain.
Journal OF yestefdAy read and approved.
4 he report Of the com mileage was taken up The
question was ON motion to reoomm't to amend with in
structans
Mr Chandler moved am .ndment to the instructions
in rcie euce to orleans aud Caledonia.
Mt Aibee Of Ludlow said there were other cases Of
hardship to which he alluded aud moved TO- amend ~
adding the counties Of Windsor and Windham He
thru proceeded To give account Of the proccedu
before the anu read from the journal OF the House
last year showing that the report OF the present
thr the minority fepur: last JeAr.
Mr. Abbott OF Windsor said lew days ago spent
three ot hive hundred dollars and II was not what the
ate don gNf ii % a IN
on 50 small matter
MIR Chandler said it was shameful to take up 50 much
time this question. lie therefore moved to amend 30
TO allow any member Of the House to 20 before the
aud state his mileage and the com be- governed
oordnsiy agie, TO- and the report reeommitted with
Special Order.--The college bill was then taken up
Mr. Wheeler Of south Hero said all seemed to be
agreed on the dcsraleness Of the Institution proposed
aud the only question before "Sha We delay -
The qucsoa not shall the gin, for have
already accepted IT, This III proposes to apply it, and
1t seemed To him TO be almost act of nspiiat Ii
certainly the inspiration Of scholarship, wisdom aud
honesty The question has been long talked or aud the
colleges have mad their representatives here TO cnghen
tut the beauty Of ibis bill is that proposes way
/ TO accomplish the end II we leave the matter loose
there VII be og-rohng aud olashing Of local inter-
osts We prepared just well shall be a
year hence TO determine upon definite measures to estAb
sh THIS institution, which shalt reconcile all interests
and oud up an institution that shall be the glory and
pride OF the State.
Sir Hinckley rose to ask the gentleman fIom Benson
Co withdraw his motion TO dsmss to enable him 10 move
an amendment extending the time from August 9Th TO
November LIST, o..
Mr. Dou hoped the motion to dismiss would not be
/ Withdrawn.
Ar Reed Of Montpelier hoped the bill would be
dismissed. lie did not believe in the practoabiity Of
the proposed. NJ ddlcbury college situated
3 That cannot come ln'o the union At all without
cownt ght fraud TO ia beuefacon. Therefore that in
suuu0u is necessarily len out 30 the cold, because Il s
pOWcrless To make the transfer.
When the rommissio crs come to TX upon the lock
ton Of course ihey will move the lesser institution Of
Norwich to the greater at Burlington. That will be the
7 We ua Burlington
NorNich and Mddebuty win consent % this, he would
say amen to a. But the precise result Of the bill will be
not 20 effect union, but 10 leave the other colleges just
as they are, and give this endowment to Burlington.
lie hoped the House would not spend another mortal
/ hour iu discussing Representatives,.
Mr. Pcauock said he was remote from the existing
colleges tina man could say he mad any local preJu-
dice lie bought ihe object proposed was good one,
ana whetner u ~as practicable VI not remained 70 De
The OIL proposes The best measurts that he could
think Of II The b prescf7ts the beet mtans mat can
be devised, and Il he object desirable, he hoped the
House would pass the bal
Mr Fisher u versennes said he hoped the bill would
be dismissed
What "a the condition u the scupi lie understood
that q Vas the ha ds Of the oommissunersi they
have reported 20 thc Go,cntr be has communicated
the subject TO the general assembly ~ has been referred
to tue committee under NE fourth loint rule let the
scrip be SOLD aud rs ayAs held iO future and wise
appr0p riatou. Only of the year, allowed
us uy tue act Of Congress have expired Every body IN
the state is Interested and is wong 10 Us 70 act 50
hastily A. this mea ule proposes. III hoped the bill
Mr Goodhue " Westmius,sr said as one Of the com
mi'tee who reported u favor OF the BILL he would give
few reasons in no support He did not believe as had
been said ttatit would involve the State in expcn,e
The bil proposes nc iste, and AMPLY prepared
% consider and act wisely now We cannot meet our
constituents fairly unless pass this measure. lie
hoped the motion To dismiss would be withdraw, the
amendment mace, and the bill pas ed
Nj Nancy sad he thought the time WAS opporiune and
the question Of acceptance and appropriation seemed To
urge itself upon n0D
hc could not the force Of the objections with
gard to Midd ebury college. II that college would con-
10 the union he had doubt but that the graniof
would consent To transfer Of its properly He condd
cred that this bill presented the only east the best
plan Tor the accompl shment u the object
Mr. Dor did not thiuk that this was the only feasible
plan lie bad received letters from many competent
en- IN the State, proposing other plans. One plan was
for Burlington aud Middebuy colleges TO consolidate
but hold their respective locations, and divide their
courses branches u instruction. lie regarded it
impossible tr Middlehuy college TO lutte IN any other
way, without suIendefng all its grants its rights, and
itsexistence Burlington college was situated just so 10
&c tam extent But tue way he proposed would build
up two institutions that would contribute the educa
tona prosperity aud be the pride and glory Of the State
lie had not the honor Of parchment from any OF the
colleges and therefore he especially their repre-
senatve but he did represent that larger class, the
people, and as the colleges and the legislature OF the
state have had their say let the go the people,
and give them chance = have their say He had not
heard from the people Of his town. lie did not know
put hey wished to make nun heent oilers to proeu the
location u the college there.
Defining Of AIiingl ton as member Of the com could
position to il. What kind Of legislation shall have,
II we must wait and get special instructions from
constituency on every measure 1t is a common way
10 delay matters by representing that TO
suit the sovereign people. Wea prepared to act fr
their interest now, and he hoped We should do IT,
Mr. McAlster said he had not had his say yet He had
failed 10 discover any good thing to be gained by delay
good thing is to be accomplished aud should go at
! II with the means at our command There may be EN-
barassmens and obstacles in the way, but should
surmouut them and not be discouraged by them.
Mr. DolPh said young lady and gentleman lived 10 df-
ie.ni localities lhey proposed union but could not a
7 gree upon Ian for immediate location, and they
tried TO make an arrangement by which should bring
up the boys and the Their the grs This seemed TO him
as feasible as the proposition Of the gentleman from Ru
! land
Mr. Parker gave historic statement Of the action Of
the colleges Of Burlington and Middebury in trying for
years past TO unite, and stated the why the union
was not contaminated He denied that he -tood here
the representative Of any college, and responded the
Arguments Of the gentleman from Woodstock lie re
PEELED the insinuAton that Middlebury college
Atistooiauc that il did not wish become connected
VIII farming institution, and cited many instances
showing The beneyOence Of the institution ts generos
", and its noble deeds Of charity to young II de
med that he did not desire have an agricultural col
lege established in the State for the purpose Of practical
and scientific education He did desire such a result,
but me bill proposed would defeat every good purpose
/ that il had in view
I M woodward AGAIN supported the bill.
hr Don asked the gentleman from 81 Adams for his
/ opinion.
Nj Smith thanked the gentleman and said he would
say but few word. He was decidedly in favor OF the
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