The New York herald., 1862-11-02

sought 70 show that while was anxious 10 pursue and
push vindictve war against the South unwilling
to risk any OF the dangers. This is not Mr., Gay
then went into brief defence OF his conduct MAJOR
general OF the United States Army. showing that he had
rendered his services 10 his suerors had faithfully
fulfilled h.s duty while entrusted with a command
OF troops In Kentucky he had led his mon 40 well that
there never were any stragglers ia his command but
there were men who so much distrusted him the
slavery question that fearing lest he should give any aid
10 the negroes who look him their devercr
and friend, he removed from his command. He
say that he his best bring about peace
sosy or Es South YOU'D sossa e lay down
;;sssr arms and submit TO the gov6rnin6ht, be
for one would be in favor Of general am.
s pssy waaa and hs OBLIVION h 0 qusssVS
ern men all the liberty he had himself, but
not the ninth part of hair more (Applause.)
South who arc equally ensaved with the four millions Of
negroes (Applause.) What did MIR Mason. the leader
treason aud rebellion leave the State Who deter
mined the question against in Kentucky None
but the laborng men OF Louisville who soemnl declared
that they would stand BY their fathers Union And what
did we hear from rebeona That they were determined
to have Kentucky and that they would force us 10 DO
with them; but, thank God, have twice driven their
hosts in defeat from the sacred soil and by Gods help,
will continue to do white they with treason ia
Ser and M s their na
morrow, or any tme for oae, shall 10 gad to receive
them.
voIcE-Front face Qaughter.)
CLAy.-Yes; hope shall always DO able TO keep
front face TO friend foe (Good for you, Clay you
H. III
will submit-we and good bu, if they still persist
morssessy to carry on this devastating war against
right Justice and liberty, then must meet them
fairly and battle Justify for the right.
TRAINS THIRD HALF HOUR.
Mr. TRAIN came up to the scratch at the third round
and was encouraged by the cheers Of his admirers in the
the President he would not draw his sword unless he did
and II therefore perfectly fair to say in debate
sident issued his proclamation. (Cheers and aughter)
He would put this question to Sr. Clay. Suppose the
Shareholders lay down their arms before the 1st or
January, aculd Mr.. Clay, Mr. Sumner and Mr.. Greeley
stand by the constitution, the Union and the laws2
Mr.. CLAY made movement as II to reply 10 the ques-
ton.
Mr. TRAIN thought he would put II again and said
viii you agree TO stand by the Union and leave slavery
Mr.. CLAY came to his feet but there shouts of
"order, order, and advices to him TO wait for his
time.
Mr. TRAIN--I have asked Mr. Clay an important ques-
ton for he will leave the negroes alone the war would
be IN less than six months.
Mr.. CIAy-The gentleman has asked me question l
will answer him in the language of Abraham Lncoln am
for the Union, with without slavery. (Applause)
Mr. TRAM take Mr.. Clay at his word. And now
viii read an extract from speech delivered by INN here
week or two ago.
Asfor myself help me God, viii draw sword
gentlemen that succeed upon the present policy what
racy stop blood, rather
in the runous policy or have even restoration Of
Cries ofRlght right and cheers from the republican
side Of the house, and counter manifestations from the
Mr. CLAY (agan rsing)-rhat is my language stand
to and trust that will always have the courage to
1t when necessary. Never, help God, will
draw my swordto cnslave any human being (Enthusias
tic cheers, mixed with hisses.)
Mr.. TRAM endorse that sentiment Neither you
l would draw sword to enslave any on the face
Of the globe That is not the question. The question is
hs-Whether, fthe rebels lay down their before Tho
of January he would agree drop the negro question
and live peace and unity this confederacy with all
the states back again? (Appauss) lie has answered it
Mr. CLAY Crsing)-Yoa mistake me. (cres Of "sit
down.")
Mr.. TkAIS--Lst US hear Mr.. Clay
Mr. CLAY-I understood Mr. Train TO put the question
this way:-Whether if the South came back into the
Union would receive them with or without slavery.
Mr.. TRAM repeated the question.
Mr.. CLAYI intend stand by the Union just as long
as iis intelligence and strength are given me, now and
vonx-You evsde the question.
Mr.. CLAY-But will not abate for any slaveholdng
oligarchy or set Of men single ot or little Of my right
freeman to discuss all questions Of policy presented
to Applause frsm the republican side.
MI. TRAIN gave another notice TO the Altoona meeting
Of also to the result Of West India emancpa
ton reading on the latter SUBJECT the following exract
from the London Times
There blinking the truth. Years Of bitter eyreence.
UNANSWERED. satsrngs seidsd insults ansessn:
e. S Of patiently dur have Of
despite he yId mocklnss Of "hom!iny cant" The freed
Of ' lis sire Ha viii III
.d wha ne iGs hs
70. fe Cotton coffee ,ooasso hn.
has sunk his thousands ana tens Of thousands mills,
ssry and debt He sis and snisSsr. saeks'
ha: been soush, win pcshs price of English tssasn
the sweat and travail Of some millions Of hard working
Eng Enssh'm',en Twenty millions Of pounds hun
and the English laborer every degree
III he s %
goa % S but Ia @ he s Is not !. far as we can see
Honest steady he only deess lest asspscs
He used mp his time talking about Sumner and
the abotionss, and when he was told that he had ss
i've minutes left he said that in order put Mr. Cys
friends In the wrong he would decline his five minutes
Mr. CLAY reorted that in order that his friends should
not be put in the wrong Mr. Train might on just as
Mr.. TRAIN resumed, and concluded by recitng poetry
euogstic OF the Union.
THE CONCLUDING REMARKS OF CLAY AND TRAIN.
At the conclusion Of somew hat lengthy speech, inter
sperscd with numerous poetic,l quotations,
The time keeper informed Mt Train that he had five
minutes more.
Mr. TRAIN said as he had nothing more to say he would
waive these minutes IN favor OF his opponent Hisscs
and applause.l
Mr. CLAY said In order not TO be wrong with his side OF
the house he would give the gentleman lea We to 20
long as he liked. Q.oud Iaugher)
Tnereupon Mr.. TRAIN said he would take his five
minutes, during which he rected several snatchcs
Of patriotic poems. He for making the rivers
with blood and for macadaming the roads with corpses
knew that Lord shaftesbury a traitor to America,
Lord John RUSSELL -(aughter) r)-and palmcrson
was fOrger when he forged the Ahghan dispatches.
cloud laughter and appause) These are three things
that he had proved slick of.
vocK-Why not prove them9
Mr.. TRAfy-But have.
voIcEs-So he has, So he has.
Mr. TRAIN concluded by rectng some spirited lines on
the eternity or uuou
General Clay in closing tho debate, said that
the question had been 'dispassosately discussed.
" was for the people to determine the
merits Of slavery and Of freedom. They will
have to speak on Tuesday next He hoped they would
speak for the four millions Of beings who give
no voice to their unutterablc woe, as well as
for the eight millions forced by bloody oil.
garchy 10 make war upon their brethren--men who
driven into the front Of battle perish for the sup
port OF slave oligarchy Let the twenty-five millions
o rcemen OF the free North but speak with their usual
aud power and all will yet be well while the South
w be brought again TO enjoy tho fruits Of peace
pery and plenty For himself North and South, Fast
and west he had only one prayer aud that was ha, sue
would yet be free.
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