New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1862-07-17
XXXVIITH CONGRESS.
FIRST SESSION.
SENATE. .WAsHiNGToy. Jnly 10, ~

.hsrged IRON its further consideration. -, - b
Mr.. DAVIS I'm, ky.) called the Dill UPS ""'
urged its passage. oo,,.,,rp iron. WI
Mr.. WILSON and Mr.. COLlAhEn V"ep'
opposed the passage OF the bill y,rotx (
AR. CLARK (Rep., N. n. thought that hen'TE.H
should not be allowed TO rase troops eip a., a."
ON her own soil. He said that at one 'i,o H. ere
were sixteen men from rura town ~ ~ POI, '"P |
sh;,s in ene regiment of the army OF inc Io' mac,
INT he wss informed that not one OF tnen awe
no, No. one of them persisted by tne ou' ret the
sher or the bayOnet out all ded III .oe Va nches OF
Viroluia. How could he ask ms own pc pie TO 20
and fight, and die and rot oy .u1 20 rue IA VIZ
g;n;s when Kentucky was allowed 10 have troops
Ia hv The C.vsrnment, who only fight in the
Siats of Kentucky and do easy serv Ace within her
own doors. ,,;,. &c
Mr.. CIARK rep, n. H. ca ded up the resolu-
zion from the House explanato' y Of the Coniscston
act lie offered No all amend neut that punish
ent M der the hill shall wo<k the forfeiture OF real
,sta,e 5eyond the natural life of the person accused
Mr.. TRUMBULL tRerA, H. opposed the amend.
suounts to nothing.
Nr. SHERMAN lRep., Ohio said that II the
Senator CLARK could ssy that 1t was likely the
President would veto the bill unless this amendment
vas adopted he tShernau was ready to vote Tor ~,
but be wanted the President TO take the RESPONSE
bility'of 1t.
Mr.. CIAsHK-I think may cay that am au'
tborxed 10 e.ate that this amendment will remove
one of the objections Of the President to the bill
One of the objects Of this amendment was an induce
pent 10 obtain the President signature. lie shoulo
also otfer another amendment that the words grant
ing an amnesty shall be construed 80 as to auborne
the President te restore any property under the bill
If be thinks it necessary
Mr.. LANE iRep., Ind.) said that he was not viii
lirQ to legisste under any duress lie would never
surrender the independence of the Senate to the die
tation of auY President, however we might trust
him. Let the President if he does not like the BILL
send it back here with bis veto, and then he Lane
was willing to AXE the Issue between coil'sca, on
and non .confiscation. He Uane was not willing
20 have the hands of the Senste tied by the Execu-
tive OF any other power this side of heaven.
Mr.. CLARK thought they might as well look to
the question practically and not stop al little points
of etiquette. If there were honest objections, We
might IA well try and harmonic them.
Mr.. KING rep, n. ~ thought that this was
nm entirely new mode of legislation. If the Preti-
dent has objections to the bill it is his biness to
send the bill back with his objections. IL l. time
shat we met the enemies of this country fairly aud
NO: with timd policy. Wemust defend the country
from lis enemies and from any timidty on the part
Of those whose duty it is TO take care OF the country
We must meet the question boldly and Lot by this
back door legislation He thought it mon.trous
precedent TO establish.
Mr.. HARRIS rep, N. ~ thought there was
nothing 30 monstrous in this proposition. IL the
President had constitutional scruples we ought TO
have proper respect for them. II we can pass this
was best TO do 30.
Mr.. WADE Rep., Obiol thought that this was
entirely novel question. This way Of coming in
here inegitimately-In way unknown TO the Con.
ssitution--he did not like. lie (Wade) did not know
who was authorized TO speak for the President or
promugate his views. If this IL the way We are TO
legislate we ought to have committee TO wait on
the President when we pass q bill and ask what his
"royal" wish is and how much we shall alter a
bill 10 escape his veto This lie disgaceful. 1t is
total surrender Of the rights Of this body. The only
constitutional way for the President is, If he has
objections to the bill, to state them in his veto.
There is no other way for him to act, unless We
desire to surrender all our constitutional rights and
oil the dignity of the Senate. This way OF coming
in here with back-door vetoes cannot be tolerated.
1t seems that some gentlemen have been to see the
President--to learn his opinions. These gentlemen
are very fortunate. Most gentlemen, when they 20
20 zee the President debarred from bis presence
and those only are admitted who charged with
his constitutional conscience. He (Wadej would be
very sorry If the President should veto this i'm
pOrtant measure. II would be the saddest news
that ever went out Of this Capitol If such, how
ever lie to lie the case he wanted the President to
take all the responsibility Of his own actions He
tWade) wanted no bsek-kitcben way o. doing
business.
Mr.. WILSON rep, Mass said that he had been
engaged here for months trying to pass a COnfscs-
ton bill Of sort, and finally passed, to
which there were strong objections by some Sem
a;ors. He wilson regarded the present resolution
y
any way satisfy anybody's constitutional scruple-,
he WILSON, was perfectly willing to Vote for it, He
admitted that this mode OF legislation seemed i'm.
proper, but he believed that this great was
far above all little irregularities. If he could &C.
cure the passage of this bill, he would do 60.
Mr.. FESSENDEN rep, Me- said that he could
see improperly IN any Senator asking the Pref.
dent about his views upon any bill. Such impro-
priety if there il any, could not be charged strongly
against him (Fessenden for be had done Il now for
che first time la his iie He bad been solicited by
many gentlemen 10 inquire OF the PRECEDENT to his
opinions this BILL considering 1t TO be very unfor
tunate that there should be any difference OF opinion
between the President and Congress on so important
a measure as this. 1t must be remembered that the
President is an important branch of this Govern
reni, and without his signature no bill become
law, without two-tbirds vote. The people are
very much interested in this measure, aud be (Fes
senden felt deep Interest in it and voted for it,
though with some hesitation as TO its constitutional
bearings. He believed that whatever opinion tue
President expressed, be expressed honestly. What
part OF common sense ID 1t, when We retain all
the essential features Of tue bill, to reiu.e have
anything TO do with il at all 7 IL il not beet to do
the best we can under the circumstances Is there
any loss Of dignity or character III passing such
resolution as tins, or is 1t better that Dill should
be passed. He tFessenden) was willing TO take all
the responsibility OF gong 10 the President If there
was any responsibility about 1t az all.
Mr.. POWELL Dem, ky.) offered an amend
,asnt to the amendment offered by BIZ Clark, to
SI.lke OUT Tue WofI - real 20 as 10 nave tue nD-
,taiion TO life forfeiture apply properly.
Mr.. DOOLIrTLE rep, Wis., hoped the amend.
uent would not be adopted. lie should say nothing
~ hls views had been misrepresented by the Press
lie had been charged with trying to protect the real
cetate OF the Rebels, when the was the Case
de wanted 10 get nd OF all constitutional objections
He wanted 70 take all the real estate Of the Rebels
and rtpeople those States with new and loyal people
NJ. LANE ,Req., Kansas was willing 10 stand
by the PIesldent. He would not ask him 10 violate
his conscience on account of the Senate lie thoulht