Daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, Va. [W. Va.]) 1859-1865, 1862-08-02

knew by private interview and conversa-
tion would be against it upon the naked
question of admitting the State upon the
bare Constitution as it came from the Con-
vention at Wheeling2 We knew it could
not be so admitted, but we thought thebest
would be to meet them half way by pro-
position of postuate emancipation, that is
that all children born after the 4th of July,
1863, should be free l argued that but
am not going to read my arguments and
would not advise you to unless you have
a great deal of ofleisure. Theu-I have my
own idea who prompted it'll almost know
who did it-then Senator Trumbull at the
heel Of the day and at the heel of the ses.
sion, the most dangerous time, when we
all wanted our dinner, mud tho press of bu-
siness at the end of the session was crowd
ing upon us, made the dangerous motion
to postpone. 1t alarmed me and when my
colleague got up and said sat the risk of
misconstruction | will support that mo-.
| tiOn," went across the hall to sold Ben
Wade" as they call him. sNow " said l,
"Wade for Gods sake stand up for us and
we will build your monument out here in
West Virginia, down about Parkersburg."
"Now," said |, 'tstand ,,up.p "Aye God, :"
said he, swell put it through" laugh
ter. resisted it as matter of course !;
puogent speech and we took the vote and
| forget just how it was now, but we refus-
ed to postpone by an overwhelming major
| ity, aud then came up the final vote on this
substitute of mine, the substitute striking
out the valley counties, Incorporated by my
colleague in the original bill as it came
from the committee. and incorporating in
the Constitution the additional proposition
that after the State had been admitted on
that condition, we would send the Cousti-
tuition back to the people. and when they
| should have assented to the conditions
have read the admission should be COM
plete. We passed that by "a vote of 25 to
| II, and sent it to the House. tell yon
here to-day, my friends; felt light after
we had got it through. 1 felt light. "A
voice, "Did Carlile vote for it2"1 No, Mr..
Carlile voted against it, as a matter of
course. The record shows that he not only
voted to postpone it, but voted against it
on the final passage. have no controver
sy with him. A voice, "No need to ap-
peal To the record" Well you asked
me if he voted against it aud said
he did. | will give you the grounds on
which he did it. One Ofthe grounds was
that it WAS not submitted TO the
people. remedied that by Withdrawing
my first substitute aud Offering another; /;
and then his ground of complaint was, that
he would not submit to Congressional die
tation, and urged this as reason; but 1
confess although L had high opinion of
his ability and discrimination, it surprised
me somewhat to hear him say in substance:
Now we have ascertained what Congress
wants; / am opposed to congressional die
tation; postpone the whole matter, and we
will go home and make u constitution that
will meet the approval of Congress, and
then we will come up here with 1t and there
will be no difficulty. Well now what is the
difference? Is not that congressional
dictation 2" Laughter.l You come up
here With this constitution, protesting
against this dictation, aud Congress says,
you cannot come in here. Very we'll, you
say, just wait awhile till we go home and
make constitution we eau come in by
What's the dilference2 Why not let Con-
gress in the act of admitting US then fix it
forever without any such contingency as IL
change in the sentiment of Congress-sd-
nit US provided our people will agree to a
change in one of the fundamental articles
in the constitution 1t takes the people
to ratity it anyhow, and although you ttav-
ell by different roads you come into Con-
gres at last under what is called "congres-
siOnal dictatiou;" that is Congress, one of
the parties asserting. will not assent un-
less.you do SO and so. There is no differ
ence in the world although it may appear
plausible in the face. #
The matter went over to tine House. My
colleagues there were active. Mr. whaley
was called home by the illness of his fam
lily. One of my colleagues in the House,
Mr., Segar from the east, was very much
opposed toit. Mr.. Brown and Mr.. Blair
were the only two men to fight for it in the
HnnEa and fhau fnYa nd
manly and faithfully. do nv good friend
Blair the justice to say that he can beat any
man electioneering in deliberative body
that Lever saw on the face of the earth.=
[Goodl Il he don't make speeches-al-
though he made very good one there
that is not his forte. But if be cannot get
iuto everybody in the incest way If he
won't be heard-aud you won't take of
tence-in manner, and with an ingenuity
and ease and suavity that exceeds anybody
else ever saw in my life ! BE does not
pretend to be man of very great abilities.
He just knows what he can do and does it
leagues there. But it was the day before
the adjournment Some of them wanted
to book into it. Mr.. Segar made test ques-
tion on the motion to postpone the matter
indefinitely and was beaten some forty or
fifty votes. The House refused, thereby
showing that there was merit at least in the
bill. Then the question came up on post
pouing the bill till the second Tuesday in
December next. That only carried by a
majority OF ten. Six men voting the other
way would have passed the bill even at
that late day in Congress, and my inter-
course With the members of the House, and
my knowledge of the public sentiment of
the House is, that if it remains until the
next session as now we will as certainly
have new State as that the people shall
adopt this amendment to the coustitu-
ton. That is the only thing in my hum
BILE opinion, my friends, that is necessary
to secure you a new State according
to the boundaries included in the Constitu.
tion which you voted upon last spring.
. Aud now the question is whether we