The New York herald., 1862-10-15

hour following returns and inquiries for the yentesn
she had before desired 70 see be comes ,nsss
thn 70 outside the door scune is nmed neard
ako female voice, then report Of pistol the parties
IN the store then 20 OF the door where the emae
is found holding the stock Of the nisol wn mad
purchased, the man ne,dine the mSsze the parties
sDe ssofS separSss them; she says enc does NOV -
escape We man isiouna 70 be shot ana a'ss aa re pre-
senee she cxclans "eter speak 70 me ah1 s"os "icr
oar long years have pleaded you' the police scer
comes in 10 arrest her. and 10 him sne says-l have
70 snlsf II ycu don't do The police officer, on being
asksd What Ae thought CT her condition, sad;'i tnlhk
se knew perfectly VIVA. sne was - - n~ as s
believed what Indication Of sanity or insanity do any or
all oJ them bear or givef
Mr. James objected soennly and seriously 70 such
e.estn the like had been in this court or in any
ciher court in civilized community In the Huntington
case the medical witnesses had spoken from their
sonal examination OF the prisoner.
yhe District Attorney confessed that his experience
not great as that OF his learned friend but never
theos had been able to find three out Of about
twenty which entirely disprOved his friends theory and
upheld shat of the prosecution
pass this question: Precisely the point was
raised before while was Recorder; it carried 70
thegeneraJ erm and the decision was affirmed an favor
OF The admssibity OF such evidence.
ahc district Attorney remarked that since that deci-
son Of his Honor the Court OF Appeals had sustained bis
epnion in the case Of the People VS. Lake
MIR. James took exception.
Question repeated TO the witness. A. From the facts
presented IN that Hypothetical case cannot form the
opinion that the party was insane.
Cross examined by Mr.. Janfes-Q. 10 you give AN
opinion that the party was sane without having seen herr
A. give opinion the facts presented in The
Question repeated A. There be other facts in the
which would show different condition. Of mind but
consider that they net presented in this hypoheti
cal e. On the facts that have been presented TO
you, without your having the person the
effect which the meeting Of her husband with another
might have had the impulses OF voton and Of
mind, would give an opinion that she was sane9 A.
condition Of mind O withon, having seen the effect of
the paroxysm upon her MUD, and knowing that she
stated shdid not value life and would rather die than
live, would you Say that at that time she responsible
for her act gave an opinion on the facts that were
presented.
Question substantially repeated. A. Imust my
question as before see no evidence Of insanity IN the
facts presented
o. po you recognize the principle OF mpulsve insanity
distinguished from functional dei angeent ard general
insanity A. recognize inpalsve insanity such as
have described O. independent OF general insanity
A. Where there s perhaps apparent delusion, still
deuson may exist q. is not an attempt at suicide from
grief and desttuon the result Of morbid state OF the
mindf A. An attempt at suicide does not necessarily
mpy insanity that is well established by all writer's
would rot call that insanity unless there symptoms
marking insanity. o. What won.d you call i2s A. Sui.
eide from grief. O. Would it not imply morbid state OF
tho miud2 A. consider there is q distinction between
may result from grief without disease Of The mind
this term "mc bid implies disease Of the brain
Q. Would you not take into your hospital, as a
patient, girl who, from grief had attempted suicie2
A. IL there were the symptoms that accompany suicide
Question substantially repeated. A. should net
consider her necessarily insane.
z. Would you exclude her without examination? A.
The law OF the state requires that the party shall be
ahmed before being taken TO an asylum O. suppose
lady shond bring her daughter establishment and
tell you that from m cry and grief she had attempted
suicide and that two hours before she said she did
care whether she lived or died, would you take her
into your establishment A. From those facts alone
would not consider her insane. q Would you exclude
her without examinations A. would not receive her
without legal commitment Y. VIII assume you 70
have private establishments A. ! would not suppose
that such person is necessarily insane and insanity
necessary for admission 70 asylum Q. In such
a case would you exclude her from an asylum
without examination2 A. Perhaps from pity or
sympathy she ought not to be excluded; but !
would not think that she necessarily Q.
Would you exclude her. ought she to be excluded wh
out testing her mind A. II world Undoubtedly demand
an examination as 10 her condition. @. You know the
great establishments for the insane the sapetrere and
know them by reputation O. Can you toll me the per
centaEe OF cases Of insanity in those great hos ptas aris
ing from grief in girls A. know the averages have
been taken but the per cenagc must vary different
institutions II IS quite large per ccntage grief rs
olasscd as cause Of insanity O. And grief makes
o. ii you had patient suffering from grief and heard
that she had attempted suicide, and had said
consider those symptoms rather alarming a. They
would ne symptoms requiring attention certain.
suicide by girl the thing that is most feared in molan.
choly casosthe thing that you dread where there
is sorrow and melancholy a. II s matter he feared
O. Would you not take great Of persons settled
me ancnoly ana grief who had said TO of their
keepers that they did not value lifc2 A. should q.
And II that person saw scene which excited her mind
violently-such as meeting this husband this
son~onia you not have alarm particularly il
had attempted suicide before from same cause A.
If she had attempted suicide should be fearful re-
currenee. @ DO you admit not that the mind may be
without determined insanity Is there not a state
o. mid hrnueb. about by despair and misery, which
on that particular topic or on topic connect
cd with y, the person would not be responsible.
and yo where there might exist dcusion any Other
sasect 4. think that is question Of law, Mr. James
e. Is thee rot state OF mind in which person may
not he accountable for an act, acting from paroxysm
without settled permanent deuson2 Perhaps So
without ahy apparent delusion. O. You read the
recent treatses 10 the AnericaH Journal OF insanity A.
Yes q You are aware that science has progressed Ia
THIS matt.rY A. There has been change Of view. O.
10 you not thirk II has progressed aud improved a.
think So Q. Does not your reading tell yoi that Eng
land many men and women have been executed who
would not now be the ground OF insanity A.
You have been asked question by the District Attor-
neysoe seyen pages long and all jumb.cd ogethcr-
commencing with, III woman is secn in due walking
dress at nine IN the morning, &c did occr TO yon
that s0e Of the incidents too place before the exciting
cause, the meeting Of her husband, existed9 not
allow my mind 10 dwell on those points confined my
attention to the facts as presented.
Question repeated A. took it a fact existing be-
fore shc met her husband, before the homicda act
Cured
O. You have been asked on that derneanor TO give q
sacred and solemn opinion 70 the jury in Of life
deatb, and ask you you that havo occurred
befero or al Ter she her husband2 A. That particular
dayS
10 il possible? What particular day?
The District Attorney tnicrposing) SAID that the
ness could not help being less confused by the
be frightened
Judge Barnard-My impression is that Dr. Ranney does
not understand Mr.. James question.
Witness-That Is the case.
Judge rarnard-Let me explain TO Dr. Rannay. Would
you ON the state OF facts as presented to by Mr
Hall have given the opinion that you did provided il
had appeared IN evidence that the accused was an
cxcitabe person, very nervous person had twice at
tempted 70 commit suicide, had imagined sc had sfer.
ed great injury at the hands OF her husband had
that morning met him walking with another adyY A.
should have given the same opinion.
O. When did you assume that this conduct Of hers
shown and this demeanor exhibited? A. suppose il
before meeting her husband. q. Would her dcmeanor
before meeting her husband and before the exciting
cause, he any criterion OF her conduct Of her
sanity insanity Is II fair to take the elements Of
medical opinion the demeanor Of person before the
citing has occurrcds 4. A medical witness can
only take the facts presented 10 him; take ele
ncn hc conduct and demcanor presented 10 this hypo
thetieas case q Before the exciting occurredf
Judge Barnnrd-Ie has answered that Eyes"
2. Have you written at all ON this subjcctS A. No
thing except monographsnot this subject especially
but on the subject OF insanity q You have had good