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White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
WAsHIGroS NJ. q

WAsHGToN, Nov, IN
To-morrow's Philadelphia Ino": @
will contain . w ash ington dispa,sff ful'''
Tossing to have reliable informa,io, pro- !.
rect from Richmond. The snb,,sn.u u.
its Information. which is probable s ~ OF
average reliability or more, is a, iaII"'a 20
The people Of Richmond have SN'; Wv
having another panic for the las, Usen =.
weeks. The removal of McClel1,D .So %
the rapidi,y Of Burnside's movsu aaa
were the FIRST ca1ses. At tbs ,;nNut
Burnside's movement Long,,reet NC. Of
Richmond on his way to North C.,arlla s u
the campaign in Virginia beina ,.a'
posed to be over for the winter, P.'p. .up.
his corps were with him. Thev ws,a OF
on the works around Richmond a, oI po'
while he took the cars for Frelerie.Ihuse Iuse
to hold the Rappahannock line II nS s
bic; AMI il not. to retard our movsr' su''',
till Lee come mp. There are now 'O' s
90. 600 to 25 900 men in the works .,0, mOn
Richmond. and but 10000 po,,S Suaa q
there, including Lees and Jsctso.Cs' "
forces.
Jackson has been recalled, with Hin
and Stuart. from the Valley, to form . ,Ia
left flank Of Lees army. 'D'
Jackson was opposed to comm, a.,
wanted to keep up division of ouP n fo-os. rsu
by raids into Maryland and Pennsvls." "
MIA. but was overruled by Lee and Ds,;s
The Cabinet at Richmond have ords,si
Lee to throw his whole army on the R,H.
pahannock. and dispute everv foo, :,
ground thence to the rebel capital "
They have plenty of raw proyis;o,,
and millions Of pounds of beef, porL and nd
-four are accurnulating at RicbmonS
Vessels with clothing are running n.
blockade every week, but their arm, !.
still suffering terribly.
Numerous recent events have served ),
inaame the Richmond panic, sueb :, "
Lees suddenly changing from the ofgs,s
sive to the defensive; his telegrsphiD,
daily for more men to save the eap;,,t
petitions and appeals Of thsir army b,
clotbing; General Dix's capture Of thai,
pickets on the Chickahominy; ,b. di,.
covery that they have lost from 6OOOA
to 100000 men in the last 95 days b,
battle. sickness and desertion, and indie,-
tions of slave insurrections at holidsy,
Burnside and Government are belsv,s
to have full acquaintance with the ise,x
and Burnside regards his present force
ample for the work before him.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
From Nashville.
Gallant Attack On the Rebel OUTPOST by
the 3Oth Indiana.

NASHVILLE. Nov. %.
Colonel Kirk. of the 9Th Brigade, oI
Gen. Sill's division, with two companies
of the Sd Illinois Cavalry and regimen,
OF infantry. attacked the outpost of the
rebel cavalry near Lavergne, yesterday.
Several rebels were killed aod wounded,
and three captured. Lieut.. Hurd, of the
3Oth Indiana. was slightly wounded, and
ten privates. The rebels had several
pieces Of artillery. The rebel General
Wheeler is said to be wounded. We
chased them several miles.
Part Of the Texas Rsngers fred on
Gen. Sheridan's pickets yesterday. The
Rangers were routed. losing one killed
and one badly wounded. Our loss was
none. -.
Col. Roberts, of the 42d Illiuois, cap-
tursd the guerrills, Capt Porter. and sew
eral men yesterday.
Our troops are in fns condition. The
weather is cold and dry.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

A SCALY REnINIscENcE.- don't
the State Central Committee place some
one on the COMMITTEES, in the place of the
late John James ingalls,, who can proper
ly represent the Second Judicial District!
The making up of that same Central
Committee was one of the mean, little,
dirty tricks of the majority of the late
State Convention, of which we should
think they must now, in their cooler mo-
ments, feel little ashamed. After send
ing one of their leading men to the Will
der men, to inquire whose names they
wished on the Committee. and the Wilder
men simply asking two-to which their
numbers and ability fairly entitled them
the majority were shabby and greedy
enough to take advantage of their numbers
and break their agreement. and construct
the Committee entirely from their own
faction. There are some very small and
illibersl politicians in this State, who
call themselves Republicans, and fatteu q.
the public crib.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

Taking the above averages, the Con.
vention will be a. shown in the following
tables. The difference made by leaving
out the vote for member Of Congress.
does not change the number of delegates
from any Township. In making the
tables. we have given delegates for full
numbers and theshrgest fractions. In q
Convention Of ~ delegates. the largest
fraction is that Of Centre. the next Wolf
River. and Wayne third-each giving
one of the odd delegates. In a Conven-
tion of 81 delegates. they are Burr Oak,
Washington. and Wayne. In Conven-
tion of 81 delegates. they are Iowa.
Wayne. and Burr Oak: o.
Townships Con. of4I Con. of3I Con. fsI
neI Dsie
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This country is full Of soldiers. who
have returned home without leave-in
plain language. deserters. They can be
found everywhere. Go where you may.
in any nook or corner. you will find men
in military clothes. uine-tenths Of whom
have deserted the flag of their country.
The remsining tenth have been dlsehsrg.
ed from the service, but q msjority oi
these have got out upon slight or preten-
ded complaints. Il is no hard job to OBJ
tain the requisite certificate from the ar.
my surgeons. Very many of these will
grant certificates for a small considers.
tion. No wonder that our army is &C.
complishing nothing, anil that call sfte'
call and draft upon draft is made for new
troops. Discipline is too lax, and pun
ishment too tardy and slight. Some ef'
fectual means should be adopted to stop
this wholesale desertiou. under the mil
der name of absence without leave. II
few of the fellows were shot for deser.
ton, and thus made an example of. il
might have q wholesome influence upon
the others. If not, they all ought to be
shot. .
But the above is not the worst feature
of the business. Horse.thieving is car
ried on to an alarming extent. No
mans property. loyal or disloyal. is safe
And almost the whole of this thieving j.
done by men IL United States uniform
deserters from the army. In many ca
ses. they 60 to men having fine horses
pretending to be United States officers
and seize the horses as jayhawked OIL
contraband property, in the name of the
Government. Once in their hands, the
horses are seldom seen again by theil
owners. Within q week past, we have
heard Of about dozen horses being sto'
len in this County, mostly by desertcrs
and scarcely day passes. but we sec per.
sons from other Counties. who are hun.
ting for stolen horses.
What can be done to put an end ia
this evil ? The military has been tried,
and has proven utterly inefficient; and
the civil authorities can do nothing. Il
is time for the people to take the matter
into their own hands. Let them organ.
ize, and have their agents and detectives
in every part Of the country. And when
ever horse-thief is caught, let him be
strung up on the spot.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
avirtaou. q Indisnation."


The Colonel" (!) Of the Topek
Tribune, shows his i'll nature owe. the re
marks We have seen proper to make re
specting the course which that paper pur
sued during the late campaign. From hi
aounderings, we are convinced that, i,
giving expression to our suspicious. W.
struck him on sore spot: He coniine
his reply to slop-shop and slang phrases
and throws ont insinuations about virtue
morality. honesty, and hope of gain. H,
likewise violates editori,l courtesy
which, BY persons pretending to respecta
bility; is observed even when engage il
unpleasant controversies-instead Of re
ferrins to rs in the name of our paper
he makes practice Of using our persona
name. in all his baudy- house illusions fo1
our benefit. Honesty, indeed We wer,
never convicted Of completely in a nic'
arrangement to swindle the people of thu
whole State! Morality We occasion
ally draw sober breath Hope of gain
and proffered allurements We were nev.
er charged with selling ourself, our prin.
ciples. and our paper. for $50 dollars !
The Tribune, while pretending to be q
Republican organ. may have a right to
support mougrels and Democrats who arc
intent upon breaking the party down; bu,
we have an equal right to express our
opinion of such course. The m;l;tayy
gentleman who controls its editorial de-
partment. may have a right to make
a public nuisance of himself; but we
have right to tell him what we think
Of it. He may have perfect right to
sell himself to the Democracy, at every
State election. and to be bought back, as
the tool and mouth-peace of some one in
power. with the name of some other indi-
vidual atthe editorial head of his paper,
in order to bring it back to respectability;
but we claim and shall exercise the right
to let the Republican party know of the
imposition that is sought to be practiced
1pon it, just IS often and in as strong
language as We see fit. Now. if he has
my more slop to fling at us, let him
'quirt away
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
Big Battle Anticipated.

NEW ORks NOV. y.
The army correspondent Of the Phila-
delphis Inquirer from Aquis Greek. says.
Daily, hourly. in fact momentarily, We
expect to hear the 6rst gun fred that will
inaugurate the first grand battle of this
campaign. for it is in that vicinity that
almost the entire rebel army is concentra-
ted, !0O.OO strong; but also the three
grand divisions which go to make mp the
grand army Of the Potonac.
A dispatch to the Philadelphia Press
last night. says that General Burnside's
army would soon move, and that We are
on the eve Of ono Of the greatest battles Of
modern times. r BIZ
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

Congress met on Monday. Business
has. not yet fairly commenced. the pro-
ceedings. thus far. consisting principally
OF resolutions. Vallandighan. Richard.
son, and other Tories. have been offering
resolutions Of inquiry into the imprison-
ment Of traitors, OF which the House takes
no notice farther than to promptly table
them. The Presidents Message is some
what lengthy. We shall endeavor to lay
it before our readers next week.
1t is again asserted. upon what is said
to be good authority. that France has de-
termined to recognize the Southern Con
federscy. and to break the blockade; in
return for which, the South is to favor
French designs upon Mexico.
1t continues to be reported that the
South has proposed terms of peace and
re- union to Northern traitors of the Sey-
mour and Wood stripe. Of course,
Slavery is the main feature in the propo.
sition. .s.sS. 'f.'- rr
The army before Fredericksburg is still
quiet. Burnside is said to have told some
officer that he expected to fight next week.
The long delay was caused by neglect Of
the proper officer to furnish pontoon
bridges, until about q week after he re-
ceived orders. He has been arrested.
The rumors of the removal of Burn
side are unfounded. lie has been given
fuller powers than ever.
A large expedition. consisting Of gun
boats. transports and iron-clads. has sail
ed from Fortress Monroe, with sealed or
ders. Destination unknown. Look out
for something stirring.
Col. Lee and the Kansas 7th are gain
ing an envisbls fame by their exploits in
Mississippi. If the Colonel keeps on as
be has began, and is prudent. and don't
get picked off," he is bound to distin-
guish himself. Doniphan County may
well be proud Of him. By the way,
Doniphan has furnished both the Colonel
and Lieutenant Colonel Of that Regiment.
Col. Hovey. with 10000 men. has. by
rapid march. taken Grand Junction,
Mississippi. burned bridges. locomotives
and cars, and thus cut of the retreat of
the rebel army. If Grant and Hovey,
between them. don't succeed in bagging
the whole "kit" of them, it will be their
own fault.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

Skirotshisg o. the Blackwaaer-Recap-
turs Of the Celebrated PittsburE Battery,
WAsnIncroN, December 3.
The following has been received at head
quarters Of tie army here: .,
Fosr AosaeE. Dec. 2-Msj. Co. Hsueek:
An expedition sent from saGe'k. BY Major Gen
eral Peck, captured to-day the eeleheated Pitts-
burg Battery-taken from our army-and drove
the enemy across the Blackvater at Franklin.
We have thirty odd prisoners. and are picking
up more on the road. Many Of the enemy are
killed and wounded. Our loo b tzi6ing.
~ Joan A. DIX, Major Ceoersl.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ The scarcity Of change is univer-
sal. 1t is now said that the troops of the
Army of the Potomac are to have no
Winter Quarters"
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ The Atchison Union has gone un-
der. and Secesh sheet. called the Demo-
cratic Standard. has been started upon it,
ruins. BY VIM. ]. Marion. 1t carries ss
its masthead, as its candidates for the
next President and Vics President. the
names Of George B. Mcclellan and Samuel
Medny! Rather hard joke on McClsl-
Ian eE.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ The Democracy of tho North have
seemingly tried to elect their dirtiest tools
to Congress; bnt the Tories Of the Colum-
bus co. District have won the palm, by
sending their Cox to Wsshington.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

RsroRrED ARREST OF CoLosrL An
"A report reached hero yesterday from
Psoia that Col. Adams, of the l2th reo;-
%enf. had been arrested By Col. Peuiet
"hIe on scout in Missouri . few davs
Col. Adams had with him about fo,,
hundred men; the report ssys he and the
omcsss were sent to St. Louis usder A..
re's and the men retained By Col. Peuici
C0aserpafise. G.-s - : = ''','-" O''sA'
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ We wonder if those fellows who
got up that bogus. swindling apportiou.
ment for the last County Convention,
don't feel wee bit cheap. now they zee
the returns of the Republican votes from
the various Townships?
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
The Next RePablican County Con.

BY the agreement entered into BY the
present Republican County Central Com
mittee. which we published some few
weeks since. the psrty vote for State OH
GERS is the guide in spportiouing the del
egates for the next County Convention
According to that vote. we have compiled
the following tables. The average vot,
for State officers, including member o.
Congress. in the various Townships. ae.
cording to the oficial returns. is as fol
lows: 49,
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
Interesting From the Southwest.



AT Headquarters Lest evening ws learn
snes snte'l'gencs to the following purpoh
. ne been aelsgrspbsd BY Gen. Blunt from
6snsrals Hindmsn and Msrmsduk'
appear to b consolidating their rssps''
we iorees q point about twenty miles
scotn' toE Cane Hill) with sn intention
o s's,ns bassle-probsbly of assuming
me M eaeasivs and moving upon our liDs.
No !eers are entsrtaine,l - to the result
from Previous diapstsAss We recall the
I.c' tn.t hindman,s force was estimstsd
= 'vesve snd Marmaduke's ct eleven
'ooosand. Ofths amount Of Blunt's fore'
are unadvissd. but preaums there is no
1sseer that the .commaader Of the De-
Pefimene of the Missouri will be csusH
mapping. -
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
Yw Several Of our Kansas Excha,

w Several Of our Kansas Exchan-
ges are agitatiug the subject of raising
Peanuts in this State. for which the soil
is said to be well adapted. We think
SO too. Judging from a single vine prssen.
ted to US by NJ. B. Bowers. of this vicin-
ity. which contained enough peanuts to
set up small stand on city sidewalk.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

y ~ The weather is growing cooler.
but is still beautiful. Ice is running in
the river. and navigation is closed. The
steamer Emile is still above. and will
probably have to remain there all Winter.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ Attention is called to tho Pros
pectus Of the grandfather of American
literary papsrs-tha Saturday Evening
Post. 1t is over forty years of age. and
holds its own in the front rank of litera.
ture.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

Y ANOTHER VIcrIx Pike died
in this vicinity. on Monday night. Of
smallpox. We hear of no other cases
that are likely to prove fatal,
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ The Prospectus of tho Womsn's
favorite, Godey's Lady's Book, will BE-
found in snothsr column. We need say
nothing more than call attention to il. -
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
TO TAX PAYERS.

We have large amount Of Doniphan aad
Brown ouuty Warrants. which W vii! dispose
Of at the current market psiee. Persons having
Taxes to pay in the above Counties, Will save
money BY using the War.huts. IN S
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
THE BATTLE OF CANE Hill
Further Details Marmaduke FaII.,
Back to Van Buren.

1too Pieces Of Artillery Abandea.d-a
Lieutenont- Colonel and Captain Among
the Rebel Rilled-Qnantra and Ri,
Band tn tile FgM-EmmeH McDcnald
Commanding the Rear Guard in Re-
trest-Hindmon Crosses and Recro,,,,
the Arkansas.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

a .aFge number Of the most Influential
s...sn: Of Doniphsn County have recon-
mended VIM. D. Beelsr for Provost Msr'
snaI 81 OF that County. Mr. Beeler is tho
oneii9 Of the County. one of its oldest
ID, p,'oents. and . most worthy man. Gen.
D'cne cannot do better than to place tho
.:PPo.e.thment u. such wiss haads.-Caa'
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
EV Persons writing us letters on prj

6 ET Persons writing us letters on pri-
vate business. during the next three
months. are requested to write private
on the envelope; otherwise they may come
under eyes for which they were not design
ed. in mistake for bushes appertaining to
our paper.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

TINKERING THE CoNsTlTUrIoN.-Ths
will be. this Winter. the usual number ol
amendments to the State Constitution of.
fered. We hope all such amendments
will be more fairly considered than they
we're last Winter; and where worthy ol
adoption, that they will pass. We do
not regard the Constitution as nearly per-
feet; and we think it is far better, safer
and cheaper for State to amend its Con.
stitution. as experience dictates, than once
in ten or twenty years to have Conven-
tion to frame new Constitution. In the
main they must be quite similar; and
when body of men get together to frame
q new Constitution. they think their sole
business is to vary as far as possible from
the old one, and the voter is only left q
choice of evils. But when Legislature
after mature deliberation. submits nm
amendment to the people. it is probable
that the new aud unlocked for wants of
the State require the change. and the voter
has the opportunity Of voting upon q
single distinct proposition.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

I ~ Dingus says the famine and the
war have put.ths Kansas farmers under,
but still their motto is ResoryAum.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

WILLIAM H. SEwARD.-There was q
. time when the name Of William H. Sew.
ard awakened in the heart of radical
Young America sympathetic throb, and
at that name the pulse beat higher. Now,
alas =! how changed. Almost despised by
live men. his smooth diplomacy abound.
ing IN incessant promises Of speedily re-
stored pesce, his Cabinet influence show
ing timidity, he stands to-day the embod-
iment of pulseless. trembling Conserve
tisu. Mr.. Stewards timidity seems to
have psrvaded al his fellows. Delay af-
Ter delay has marked the inception Of the
war. and hampsred its progress to the
present hour. a. e.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

From. Gen. Da. iis.u's Command.
The following di.patch was received
from Headquarters Saturday night:
To II. W. HolIeek, GenersL Chief:
Gen. Davidson telegraphs that cav.
airy expedition under Major Tory, to the
forks Of Mirgo and ST. Francis rivers,
captured Col. Phelnn and ten men of the
rebel army.
s. R. CUnrrs. Major..General.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

Highly Successful Cavalry Expedite -
Prisoners Taken = Sa:tpef.e Works
DestrOycd-Arsenals ana Magazines
Captured, SC. a. yG
General Curtis last night forwarded to
Washington the following dispatch:
HEADo'Rs. DErAnrmExr OF TIE Missouri,
ST. LOUIS, Nov 30, 1862.
II. W. Hdlleck, Cenerai-im- Caxj:
GENERAL: General Heron telegraphs
that the Yellvills expedition Of which
wrote you has returned. r.-....
1t was successful in destroying tn" salt.
petre works and the ars nal AMI store
houseS. with abunt fve hun. Ire shot eans
AMI rifles. Sixty prisoners were taken
and over one hundr {, Il horses. The sick
in hospital were paroleJ, end the troops
returned last evening. after travelling two
hundred anil fifty miles in less than five
days. The troops were-1st Iowa. lO,b
Illinois AMI 81 Wisconsin. comm msndel
by Col. Wickersham, of lO,h Illinois.
S. Il Curtis. NJ jor-G neral.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

VH1cAOOs Dceem6ef
A Tallahatehie dispatch says Federal cavalry
occupied Abbeville at 9 o'clock at night, on
the LIST instant The rebels leh town one hour
before We entered. They burned lie depot
building. which vas flied with comnissary
stores and clothing. A considerable quantity
Of amnunition vas also destroyed. The rebels
have gone to Oxford. We viii pursue them at
midnight.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

Vanity Fair. asks Gov. Boo,-.n ;.
dssi:,s ss. = -: :s;. s:s',s al ds.l. .ppl. to
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ Duriag the past week, mad dog
has been playing havoc on the opposite
side of the river. biting cattle, hogs, dogs,
etc. A general pursuit Of him was made,
and be was finally killed to-day. h.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

LeslsLAnvE.-Hon- Josiah Kelloo,
member elect from this county, il = csn
didats for Speaker Of the Hons. M NJ
Kellogg has hssit.ted about allovipp HI,
name to b used. bot We believe doe. =, =
no longer. He is in every respect 6t,es
ior th.t important position and tbose vho
nave k4awn him longest win BE- II.
.sfmest supporters. He is an sbIe and
.!ne man. and has precisely .the ou.lit;c..
8 t'ons needed Tor successful presidi NO Of.
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04
~ The Wyandotts Gazette gives. as

~ The Wysndotts Gazette gives. as
reason for supporting portion of the
mougrel State ticket 'just because it had
- mind to-" A good reason. truly, and
lots of argument in it. Then, Why Goes
it grumble because majority of the vote.
in New York elected the Tory ticket !
They acted precisely upon the same priu-
ciple. and voted that ticket '.just because
they had mind to-" 1t is coming to
sPretty pass. when . public journalist
has no right to take exceptions to any
Inconsistent or mean &C. performed BY q
newspaper or 9 politician, because they
had right to do so. and chad mind to!'
White Cloud Kansas chief. [volume] (White Cloud, Kan.) 1857-1872, 1862-12-04

~ The price Of Pork is as high here
- it is Al St. Joseph. according to quo
tations in the papers of that city. Ls,
those who havs an itching to take their
hogs there. go ahead. and sec If it pays
them for their time. trouble, and expensa.