The New York herald., 1862-10-31
THE PRESIDENT AND TIIE BORDER STATES.

mcinosahuum OF aC0Rversao0n between
PresiGent Lincoln and Several Repre-.
sen;a tives from sf.s Border States, ora
the CHARACTERIZATION Message OF the 9th
lfrom the louisville Democrat, Oct. 2s]
We publish this incoming report OF the conversation
between Of the border States and
The President of the United States We have had
scrt cory Of IL at disposal for some tme but were
It's publication called by progress
Of events Il is, however, part Of the history q tho
times relates TO subject upon which the parties TO
tho conversation have no claim 70 secrets Besides the
the proposition OF the President the subject Of cman
cpto been accepted by the States they represent
and the President appears have changed his opinion
and yielded the radicals Of his party. His
on does not show his position ut present but what
was at the Time.
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION.
"DsAR SRI called at the request OF the President,
to ask you to come to the White House morn
ing O'clock and bring such OF your colleagues as
are in town."
Yesterday, ny return from church found Mr. Post
master General Blair my room, writing the above note
which he immediately suspended and verbally commun
Gated the Presidents invitation and stated that the
Presidents purpose was to have conversation with
the delegations of kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, vir
rina and DELAWARE IN explanation Of his message Of the
9th instant.
This morning these delegations, snch Of them
In town assembled at the White House at the ap
pointed time, and after some little delay admitted
70 audience. Mr. Leary and myself the only
members from Maryland present, and think, were the
only members Of the delegation az that time n the city
know that Mr.. Pearce, Of the Senate and Messrs Web
ster and Calvert, OF the House, were absent
After tho usual salutatons and seated the
President sad il substance that he had invited US to
meet him TO have some conversation with in explana
on Of his message Of the 9Th that since he had IL
several Of the gentlemen then present had visited him.
but had avoided any aluson 10 the message and he
therefore inferred that the import Of the message had
been misunderstood and regarded nincal to the
interests represented and nc had resolved no would
talk with and dsabuse our minds Of that erroneous
opinion.
The President then discaimed any intent inure the
interests wound the aensbiltes Of the slave States
nNt his IN
respect ths other that engaged in q terrible
wasting and tedious war; immense armies in the
field, and must continue in the field long the
lasts that these armies must Of necessity, be brought
into contact with slaves in the States and
In other States as they advanced that slaves would
to the camps continual irritation was kept up: that
he constantly annoyed by conflicting and antagonstc
the slave not protected by the army persons
frequently found who, participating in these views acted
in way unfendly TO the Shareholder on the other hand
Shareholders complained that ther rights nterfered
WITH their slaves induced oabscond and protected within
The lines. These complaints numerous, lout and
Deep serious annoyance to him and embarrassing
the progress Of the war that it kept alive spirit
hostile TO the in the states represented
strengthened the hopes Of the Conederates that
day the border States would unite with hem and thus
tend to prolong the and he was Of opinion II this
by our States these of irritation thec hopes
would be removed, and more would be accomplished
towards shortening the war than could be hoped from
the grestcst victory achieved by Union armies
that he made this proposition In good faith and
desired !, to be accepted, If at al,s Voluntarily,
made that emancipation was subject exclusively
under the control of the States and must be adopted
rejected by each for itself that he did not claim had
this government any right them for that pr
pose that such was no part Of his purpose in making this
Isl @ ana ne m 70 n oe cea IN sr BOD
answer, but he hoped would take the subject into
serious considerations confer with another and then
take we felt our duty and the interests OF
our constituents required os us,
Mr. NOEL, Of Missouri said that in his State slavery
was not considered permanent Institution natural
Il ld,at
day extngush IT, and he did not think that this propcsi
tion was necessary for that and besides that he and his
friends socitous the message OF the
different constructions which she resolution and message
derstood II TO mean that we must accept gradual eIOan
patton according TO the plan suggested or get something
worse ~vs = = ~ stS'~-
The President replied he must not be expected to quar-
rel with the New York Tne before the right time be
hoped TO have TO do it. hs would not anticipate
events In respect TO emancipation in Missouri no said
that what had been observed by Mr. Nos probably
true but the operation these natural causes had not
prevented the irritating conduct to which he had referred
destroyed the hopes the Conedelates that Missouri
which, in his judgment the passage Of this resolution BY
Congress and its acceptance by Missouri would
piish.
Mr. CrsGeld Of Maryland, asked what would be the
effect Of the refusal Of the states accept proposal
and desired TO know n the President locked policy
beyond the acceptance rejection Of his scheme.
The President replied that he had no designs beyond
the action OF the Sistes on this icuar subject lie
should lament their refusal accept but he had
signs beyond their refusal OF II.
Thought there was ahy power eycept n the States them
selves TO carry cstt his scheme Of emancipation.
The President replied he thought there could not be
He then OF into OF remark not qualifying
the foregoing declaration nor material 10 be repeated 70
just understanding OF his meaning.
Mr.. Crsed said he did not think the people o. Mary
land looked slavery permanent institution and
did not know that they would be reluctant to
give II up provision made TO meet the loss and
they could be rid Of the race but they did not ike % he
coerce into ncpaion, either by the dcc action Of
The government or by indirecton through the ensn
cin on M q
southern property as now threasned and he thooght
before they would consider this propostion
they would require IT, bc informed these poiDts
The President replied that "unees he expelled by
the act OF God the Confederate armies hs should occu
ny ha, house FOR three yesrs and as long ashe remained
there Maryland had nothing 10 fear either Tor her iusti
"a cfs her interests, on the points referred to-
Mr, Crislcld Immediately addea'-Mf. PIesideht II
what YOU now say could lie heard by the people ot starry
,onJ they wou.o consider your proposition W. mUch
better feeling han fear without IL, hs- viii be ncr-
The Preeident-That mo. ruhl,ca,,on :, r,a,
I n said) win no, d." II wouli force me nto Quarrel
before the pr'rrer time. And, again p,mu,ing he
tom impending, he said he did wsh 10 oncoun.
ter before the proper ms-nof al all II II could be
l avoided.
;cyernor wlck-e. Of KY. then asked him respecting
/ the sti::stionality Of his scheme.
The presiiens rePisd--As you may snpposs, have
not encounter any constitutional difficulty. proposes
simply cooperate with any state - giving such Sa.e
pocnnry aid and he thought that the resolution as pro
posed by would be considered rather the express
sion Of scntmen; than - involving any constitutional
/ question.
Mr. Hall OF Missouri, thought ths, this proposition
adopted at all u should be by the Of the
States and come proposition from them to the slave
Sates nfording thsm induccncnt TO put aside this
subject o. 6scor that ought not to be expected that
members representing savcholding constituencies should
declare az once, and in advance OF any proposition
them, Tor the emancipation uf slavery.
Thelresideni said he and felt the force Of the ob
lection. IL Was fearful responsibility and every geu
tlsmap must do thought best that lie did
know how this scheme was received by the members
from the tree States some Of them had spoken 70 him
and received II kindly but for the most part they
reserved and caiy as had been aud he could not
tell how they would yste. Ana IN reply expires
sion OF Mr.. fia as 20 his opinion regarding slavery,
be sa3 he did not pretend 10 disguise his anti sayery
feeling: that he thought II wrong, and should
continue 10 think So but that not the question
had to deal with slavery existed and that, too,
| as well by the act Of the North OF the South,
| and IN any scheme 10 get rid u II the North as
/ s,cy yhc al.v ho,t. and