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The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
Our Public Schools.

OF all the benefcent institutions hand
ed down to us by the great and good OF
past ages the system Of popular educa-
lion is the crown and glory. While our
citizens, in the present crisis Of our coun-
try, that demands of them the utmost
liberality, pecuniarly, for the support Of
the government and prosecution of the
war, feel themselves constrained to prac-
tice an economy scarcely ever before
thought Of, their zeal TO promote the in-
tellcctual and moral growth of those soon
to occupy positions on the great stage Of
life that their fathers and mothers are
now occupying seems undated. Hence,
with us, and we presume the same is en-
iuently true throughout our State gener-
ally, the usual zeal is manifested TO or
ganize in each school district, whenever
circumstances will admit, a good, eff
Client winter school. his Is truly praise
worthy. If need be, let our tables be
less luxuriously supplied, our wardrobe'
moro scantily filed, our equipage palmer
our pastimes curailed, rather than thai
our children and youth should be neglect
ed in all those essential elements that arr
to constitute them men and women. w,
trust, should the present war continue TO
years vet to come (which God forbid)
when we shall have come out of the fer,
ordeal, our educational interests, intellect
ual and moral, shall be found TO exist il
all their glory and efficiency through tn
liberality, patriotism and selfsacrifice c
the people.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05

THE eye Of the nation once moro bright
ems and its pulse beats with renewed Wig
or anu animation rs the news of for
ward movement of our grand army is
heraled forth. We hail it as an omen of
good. Unless something that will tell
in favor Of our national success is accom-
plished, during the coming winter, it is
our candid opinion that we are far, very
far, from the termination of tho war and
the restoration of peace. One and hall
years have now elapsed since the first
gun was opened on Sumpter, and the war
fairly inaugurated, and what has been ac-
complished rs yet toward the salvation Of
our country, the suppression of the rebell-
ion and the restoration of our palmy days
ms nation! Only let our armies move
actively, vigilantly and successfully move,
and all the physical force of the true and
loyal will be cheerfully and freely granted
for the holy cause of liberty and country.
Men and money will be furnished without
stint for the use of the Administration,
aud the arm of the government will be
staid ill the last traitor is hung or bro't
back to duty allegiance. Hence, let the
movement just instituted be continuous
one, and there is hope that the rebellion
will be put down before another Novem-
Der dawns upon us, an event to which ev-
cry patriot eye is looking forward with
hope, yet not unmiugled with fear, judg-
ing of the future by the past.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
THE ELECTION.
Immense Union gains throughout the
,State!!
New York Probably 5000 Demo
cratic Majority!

KALAMAZOO CouNrY.-Twelve towns
give Blair $50 majority.
BERRIEN CouNTY.--Niles city, Stout
IS majority; Bertrand, Stout ia major
ity; Buchanan, Stout majority; Niles
township, Blair 27 majority; Lake, Stout
% majority. The county has gone I'm
ion by about 400 majority.
VAN buren, CoUNTY.-Antwerp. n
majority for Blair; Decatur, al majority
for Stout; Keller, Blair as majority |;
Hamilton, Stout 40 majority.
CALHOUN CouNTY.-Marshall city, 1872
majority for Stout; Battle Creek, Blair
200 majority. Seventeen towns give
Blair 757 majority.
JACKSON CouNTY.-Jackson city, 40
majority for Stout; Blackmar, Stout 46
majority; Liberty, 81 for Stout; Han
over, AS; Columbia, 90 for Stout; Leoni,
~ for Blair; Concord, n for Blair; Riv-
ers, 20 for Blair.
WAsHTENAw CouNTY.-Eleven towns
give Stout 29l majority.
WAYNE CoUNTY.-Estimate from /,
900 to 1900 for Stout.
MONROE CoUNTY.-Stout 500 major
ity.
HILLsDALE CoUNTY.-Blair 1900.
BRANcH CouNTY.-Blair, as far as
heard from, 992 majority.
LENAwEE Co.-Blair about SIS ma
jority.
OAKLAND Co.-Sixteen towns give
Stout 265.
IONA CoUNTY.-Ten towns give Blai
e55 majority.
KENT CoUNTY.-Rcturns from the city
Of Grand Rapids and sixteen towns give
Blair 332 majority.
OTTAWA CoUNTY.-Stout 262 major
ity.
GENEssE Co.-Entire republican tick
ct elected.
DETROIT, Midnight, Nov. 4.
1t is generally conceded that Blair il
elected. Nothing TO indicate how tn,
Legislature will stand.
New YORK, Nov. 4.
Midnight-Over two hundred towns
heard from, show Wadsworth's majority
outside of New York and Brooklyn, H.,
900. The State has probably gone dem
ocratic by $4,000 majority.
NEWARK, N. j., Nov. 4-Midnight.
The State has gone democratic
Parker is elected Governor, aud Perry
and Steele to Congress, both democrats.
BosToN, Nov. 4.
The vote for Governor in this city j:
quite close, Devens leading Andrews
Rice, republican, for Congress in Boston
is defeated.
CHICAGO, Nov. Al p. M.
Returns from tho State arc very mea
ger, giving no indication rs to the result
The indications are that Arnold, republi
can, is elected in this district by abou
1900 majority.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
NOTICE.

w ILL be sold, Mt Public Auction, three
w months from date according to law, 10
pay freight and charges, the following goods
One box goods, one trunk goods-Mrs Miller.
Grand Haven.
Ono show casc--Mrs. Hines Grand Haven.
One sign-0ttawa House, Grand Haven,
Two pairs old. trucks-N, II, White, GRAD
Haven.
One patent waslitub-Mr. Clappcr, Grand ITn-
ven.
Seven window blinds, one small box and con
mark, Grand Haven.
Sale to take place at Cutler and Warts Ware
house, Grand Haven. l.. w. BARNS.
August g. 1862. [n170 3m
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05

The TOBACCO YEAR.--Ye sterday
closed the tobacco year or season, which
has been one Of very great activity, and
very heavy sales, with an averages.
pecially during the last six months-oI
much better prices than ever before oh,
tanned. The sales during the past year
foot up 2s,9os hogsheads, as follows:-
At the Boone warehouse, 6,6s6; at the
Ninth Street warehouse, 1862; and al
the Pickett warehouse, 1880. The
coming year gives promise Of even great.
or activity, larger sales and better prices
than the past has done.-Louisviie Jour,
nal.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
THE LATEST WAR NEWS.
WASHINGTON. Nov. a.

WASHINGTON, Nov. 4.
The Union forces now hold all the gaps
in the Blue Ridge. The advance which,
so far, has taken place slowly but surely
into Virginia, will now be accelerated.
The rumor taken from Southern papers
that Mobile has been taken is not credit
cd by those who ought 10 know.
New York, Nov. 4.
The prize steamer anglia, from Port
Royal, arrived this evening. Shc was
captured while trying to run the blockade
of Charleston. She is loaded with arms
and ammunition.
The prize steamer Sciota is repairing
at Hilton Head, and will sail in few
days for New York. She is also loaded
with arms and ammunition.
Gen. Mitchell died at Beaufort on the
3oth Of yellow fever, which is prevailing
there.
CAIRO, Nov. 8.
A dispatch from Jackson, Tenn, says
News received at Grants headquarters,
to-day, from the South, vid. Rienzi, con-
firms the capture of Mobile.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
Tbs @ranA yabtn gfms.
OLD OTTAWA GLORIOUsLY vI0-
TORIOUSl

We give below the result Of the late
election in this county, so far as heard
from up to tho time Of going to press.
The statement is not, Of course, official,
but will not be materially changed by the
canvassers. We take the State ticket, ms
it probably shows the average run of the
respective candidates. Mr.. Church, for
Congress, is considerably ahead of the
State ticket. The victory for the Union
is most glorious and decisive, completely
and forever redeeming Old Ottawa from
the bondage and pernicious sway of ia
naticism and abolitionism:
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05

RAISING ToBAcco.- Wheeler, OF
Flower6eld, has raised the present season
about fifteen hundred dollars worth of to-
bacco of excellent quality. The fall has
been unusually favorable for it TO ripen.
We should think more of our farmers
would turn their attention to raising it, as
it is said to pay we'll at present prices
Three Rivers Chronicle, Oct 90.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
Total Loss of Propeller Bay State.

OswEeo, Nov. 3.
The propeller Bay State, Capt. John
Brown, with forty or fifty passengers, left
here for OgGensburg last night. Pieces
of that fine boat, and portions of her
freight are now being washed ashore, and
it is believed that she has been lost with
all on board in the terrific gale of Sunday
night. Two schooners were driven ashore
opposite this city.
LArER-There were only six passen-
gers and the crew on board the propeller
Bay State, foundered of this port. The
beach for miles is slrewn with portions of
the cargo and wreck. She was bound
for Lake Erie loaded with merchandise.
The vessel was valued at $4,000. Her
cargo was probably worth $4,000 or
$4,000.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
Further of the Pirate Alabama.

BosToY, Nov. 2.
The brig Baron de Castine has ar
rived and reports that on the 29th ult,
in latitude 80 Q longitude SO > she was
captured by the British pirate alabama,
Capt. Semmes, who agreed to liberatc
the vessel for bond of $4,000, payable
to the President of the Confederate
States thirty days after peace shall be
declared. Tho captain was also obliged
to take the crews Of several vessels pre-
viously captured, which he did and land
ed them at the nearest port. Among
other vessels captured by Captain Semmes
was the ship T'onowando, from Phila-
delphia to Liverpool, with passengers
After OBTAINING her five days he released
her for bond of $4,000. Most Of the
vessels captured were burned and the
crews put in irons. A captured Captain
was informed by Lieutenant and sevo-
raj petty officers of the alabama, that
their next destination was New York, rs
they meant TO throw few shells into
the city. He represents the alabama rs
very formidable, but doubts her being as
fast as reported. Two large pivot guns
were being mounted.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
NEW ADVERT EASEMENTS.
Bulbs, Tubers, &c.

HAVE IL bushels of Flowering Bulbs
L ready for delivery, and about 10000 Peo
Mas, Dielytra Spectabalis, Corydalis nabilis
Aconites, Pie Plant, Asparagus, and other ieshy
rooted plants-whch must or should be planted
in Autumn.
Also, 10000 Currants and Gooseberres, bes
planted nowj and lots of other nursery stock
mostly at astonishingly low prices. For exam
pie, snowy Tulips at So to $40 u NJ. Dielytrr
and fine old Poenias, IS u 100. Best Goose
berries, Currants, Pie Plant, &C., at $40 to $50
IL NJ, and low enough ut retail.
JOHN A. KENNIC0TT,
The Grove p. o., Ill.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
The Draft Postponed.

BY an order from the Adjutant Gene
rails Office of this State, the draft has
been postponed to the first Of December
In the mean time, three additional regi-
ments of cavalry, and one of infantry, and
one of sharpshooters are being organized.
The 18th Mich. Cavalry, under direction
of Col. F. w. Kellogg, is to rendezvous
at Grand Rapids; the 9Th Cavalry, under
Col. John Stockton, at Mt. Clemens; the
9th Cavalry under direction of Captain
James j. Davis, at Trenton. The 2sth
Mich. Infantry, under tho direction of
Col. Doyle, at Detroit. The First Reg
imcnt of Mich. Sharpshootcrs, under the
direction of some officer yet TO be desig.
mated. Counties and townships will be
credited with the men furnished by them
respectively. Now let us go to work
in earnest. A way is again opened for
Michigan to do herself an additional hon
or in the war by furnishing her full quo
In Of men without q draft. 1t can be
done. The patriotic pulse of our people
still beats strong for the government and
the union. Can not another company or
two be raised in our County?
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
INrERvENrroN.-our teleprapbic do

lNTERvENTIoN.-Our telegraphic de-
tails of the European news by the Ara
bia inform us that the speech of the
British Secretary of State, against the
recognition of the nationality of the South,
has produced a decided sensation in po-
litical circles, and was considered to have
completely neutralizcd Mr.. Gladstone's
theory advanced at Newcastle.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05

The republican State ticket is proba,
bly, elected-possibly not. Be it so;
enough is known to show beyond ques-
ton that Chandler, as pure as he claims
to be, is politically oyerthrown and annihi-
lated. We would have rejoiced had the
the entire State repudiatod the partizon
republican ticket. 1t is exceedingly graf
flying as il is, and we are inexpressibly
thankful for the evidence we have of re-
turning light, happiness and prosperity
that once extended to every home in our
State and country. We say to all, be
encouraged, for good time is coming.
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05

A COOP BEeINNING.-Onc of the Bos-
ton abolitionists having been drafted, this
makes good commencement Of Gree.
ley's army. The Portland argus says
Bully for the 100000. The number
now will stand 100000, who rush forth
to emancipate, according to the proclama-
ton"
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
8 I'M "A,
MANUFACTURER a DEALER IN
B o 0 T S A NJ D S 10 e S.

TT uses only the best stock, from the East
II ern Market. All kinds Of repairing done
neatly and promptly. Shop on Washington
street, opposite Hubbard's Hardware Store.
Grand Haven, April lG, 1862 ftful63
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GOO OOO MALE or FEMALE ACTS
OUU.UNJU 10 sell LLoud's neio Steel Plate

"
County coIored map of the United States, Cana
das and Ne,0 Brpns,siek from recent surveys,
completed Aug. 10, 1862; costing S2O, 600 To en-
grave IL and one years time.
Superior to any $40 map ever made by Col
ton or MITCHELL and sells at the low price Of M
ty cents; $40, coo names are engraved on TINS
map. II is not only a county map, but 1t IS also
a County aud Railroad Nap Of the United States
and Canadas combined In one, giving every rail
road station and distances between.
Guarantee any woman or man SO TO S. per
day, and will take back all maps that cannot 10
sold and refund the money. Send for 81 worth
TO try.
Printed instructions how to canvass well, fur
nished all our agents
Wanted--Wholesale Agents for our maps in
every State, California. Canada, France, Eng
land and Cuba. 4 fortune may be made with
a Few hundred dollars capital. No competition.
j. I. LLOYD, No. 1874 Broadway, NY
The War Department uses our Map of Virgin
in, Maryland, and Pennsylvania cost S 100 900,
on which is marked Antietam Creek SharpsburR
Maryland Heights, Williamsport Ferry, Rhor
ersville, hollands Ford, and all others on tho
Potomac, and every other place in Maryland,
Virginia and Pennsylvania, or money refunded.
Lloyd's typographical map Of Kentucky.
Ohio, Indiana and Illinois is the only authority
for Gen. Buell. and the War Department. Mon.
|
Price so cents.
"Lloyd's map Of Virginia, Maryland and
Pennsylvania. This map is very large; its cost
is but so cents, and it is the best which can be
purchased.-N. y Tribune, Aug. 2,
LL0YD'S GREAT MAP OF THE MISSES
IPPI RIVER-From actual surveys by Capts
Bart and Bowen, Mississippi river pilots, Of ST.
Louis Mo-, shows every mans plantation and
owners name from st. Louis to the Gulf of Mex
ico-l, $50 miles-eyery sand-bar, island, town,
landing, and all places 20 miles back from tho
river-eolored in counties and States. Price,
81 in sheets. 80 in pocket form and $2,5 With
rollers. Ready Sept. 20.
NAVY DEPARTMENT, Wash, Sept IL, '62.
j. 7. LLoYD-Sir: Send mo your map of thu
Mississippi river, with price per hundred copies
Rear Admiral Chas. II. Davis, commanding tho
Mississippi squadron, is authorized TO purchase
ms many MS are required for use Of that squad
ron. GiDroS WG'ICS, .Srcy NJ Nur.
Miss 3w
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B LACKS MITHING
AND
w A q ID ~ WI "A KIN e.

THE undersigned, having associated with
l. himself his two sons--the ono a wagon
maker and the other bNcksmith--is prepared
to do all jobs connected with these departments.
He also pays particular attention 10 gun and
locksmithing and farriery. Il. TAKKEN.
Grand Haven, Nov. 81, 1861 fnl43 ly
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
Fridnp. Oct. l7th. s A. M.

TIU1yi OVV' T TUT o N NJ
The board was called 10 order by the
chairman.
The Clerk called the roll and the SUI
pervisors all answered TO the call Of their
respective townships.
Mr.. Schaddelee offered the following
resolution which was lost:
Whereas, This board on the previous
day, at the adoption Of part Of the re-
port Of the committee on roads and
bridges voted to raise the sum Of FIVE
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
Notice.

H1o whom Il may concern. FOUND on the
Il promises Of the subscriber, on the night
OF the 18th of October, 1852, doing damage 10
crops etc., one red steer, about two years Old
with white star on the forehead, white spot
on each stife, aud half of the tail white. Tho
owner is requested to call, prove property, pay
charges, and take him away, or be will be dealt
with according to law. RICHARD ROBERTS.
Allendale Oct Ia, 1852. 4w nlSV".
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05
War Claim Agency.

NJ r, Henry Griffin, Druggist, of Grand
4NI- Haven, Mich, has received from Messrs.
Robinson Brooks, Of Detroit, an agency for
collection of war claims, 70. this and adjoining
counties, against the United States. Mr.. Grit.
fin, cooperating with the agents at Detroit, In
connection with a legal agent at Washington,
will, with the least possible expense to the claim
ant, collect all back pay, pensions, bounty mon
cy, or claims Of any kind, for discharged or de-
ceased soldiers, dependent mothers, widows and
orphans under 10 years of age.
References: John Owen, State Treasurer,
Farrand, Shelley Co., Detroit, Hon. James r.
Doolittle, Washington, and others. Tnl7S "
The Grand Haven news. [volume] (Grand Haven, Mich.) 1858-18??, 1862-11-05

u LACKSMITH'S Coal for sale, by
I'D CUTLER, WARTS a STEpGMAs.
, 1862-03-05

part Of Tennessee is where the people have
little or no interest in slavery; where not
one white man in twenty possesses slave.
and so it is elsewhere: the loyalty Of
Western Virginia is wholly owing to the
absence Of slaves Wherever there are
slaves there also are traitors
The strength and depth Of the disloyalty
ct any Southern State, is in exact ratio to
the proportion Of the slave to the free non.
ulation. South Carolina and Mississinni
have more slaves than free persons, Hence
their bitter mafignity Of feeling that per-
yades the white population againsl the
Union. Georgia., Alabama, Louisiana,
Eastern Virginia and Western Tennessee
are denscly filed with slaves, which salts
tactorlly accounts for the almost unani-
nous sentiment Of disloya1ty that pcrvadcs
the whites in these States and portions Of
States, The compromise and concession
policy has no influence with these rabid
rebels. It degrades the North without
placating the copper-hcads in the least.
, 1862-03-05

nomes such land or lot Is taxed, similar written
notice, such person Or, PERSONS shall reside IN
the county where such land Or lot shall be stu
y a s1san ass e se q IL Pe +
taxed do not reside in the county, such
purchaser shall pnbIish such notice IN some news
prted q tSe connG 70
9s,cS II xch 6.3, suGa lot q lind i
time not 1ess than three months before the tina
q redemption ehan expire. Every such pof-
ebsseb ebs f. sy hlseld q 3sent .ha
having cunpIied with the conditions Of fhis ncs:
ao1, stating particularly the facts relied on as
deed, and which shall BY him be He'd Win Tia On
cer having custody OF the records of 1ans and inf
sod tor faxes ard & entries OF redemption IN IL.
county where such land and lot shall fie. to BE- hT
euch oncer, entered on the records Of his once an3
carefully preserved amons the flies Of his once AMI
which recorder affidavit shall be prima Jacie esi-
dence that such notice h36 been given. Any ne.snn
swearing fase1y in euch affidavit shall Be de9u1e5
guilty of perjury; and punished aocordln1J Incsse
any PeEson shall be compelled under this section
person who may hare right to redeem such land
Or LOT from tax sale. ehan be permitted to redeem,
is ne or she sAal pay the officer Or person who by
money, the printerse for publishing such notice.
and thef expenses Of swearing or affTm Tmiuc to ths
afadaSlt and filing the same.
law for making II general and special taxes and
assessments, whether State. county, city, town,
Of ~ J other Pn1pose PAYABLE oa the sane day,
year and also for their payment into the State or
day, which ehan be prior to Inst dag Of Deem
the amount OF their deEalcatfon and the names OF
their sureties sha1 be reported to the Attorney
General OF County, Gty Of other attorney Gas the
CAGE may be) for such proceedings under such ZEN
3tt44H as be bT IaT nrUyjdhG.
, 1862-03-05

son today, convicted tomorrow and executed
the day after, his estate should be forfeited for
only TIVE ntY-four houK1. It is asserted also
that the journals Of the: Constitutional Con
vention show that The word "or" was
tie word forteitu1etSat T as the clause os1G.e %as
originally introduced, it wonld have been
construed: !" the a&tainder Of treason shall
not work corruption of blood, and shall not
work forfeiture Of estate, beyond the Life OF
the person attained " The change Of the
word "nor'' to "or'' would seem to indicate
that corruption Of blood and forfeiture we're
intended to mean one and the same thing, and
to be corrclatfVe terms; that is that conviction
for treason should only prevent the traitors
children from fnheriting property Through htas
through the blood relationship derived from
hiua-dnrfpg his life; TINT sitter his death thev
become duly possessed and seized Of any es-
tate left by the relatives Of the traitor. al of
which WAS prohibited by the English attaindcr
of treason.
have given considerable space to this coll
troveIsy, because it Is not only interesting in
a legal and historical point Of view, but it is
likely to assume high degree Of importance
during this session Of Congress.
Despite a1l assertions to tic contrary, feel
warranted in affirming that there has never
been any intention, in any competent quarter,
to give Gen Fremont new command or to
opportunity to Justify themselves by a mill
tary court The Specifications against them,
drawn up after IN examination Of accounts,
vouchers, contracts, etc, amounting to seye-
ral millions Of dollars, have been received b.:
the judge Advocate of the Army within few
days. The New York 1tibune's "triaug1e''
having been knocked into a gridlron, it will
shortly devolvc upon that sheet, or Gen Ere
mont himself, to defend against the charge
Of defra1ding the Government to the amount
OF over $500. eco in the contract with Bcard
tor the five forts around st. Louis numbered
from to 10 inclusive
Senator Howard Of Michigan has lust read.
in debate, a letter written little more tlan
year ago, by Charles H. Larrabee OF Wiscou-
sin, while the latter was member Of Con
grss, urging friend Of his, Jonathan TAYLOR
by name, not to fulfill contract which be fhad
made with the Government Of the United
States to deliver certain quantity Of timber.
because, as La1rabee said, "he end is 3,ear-
Mts p3r'atay-" It is hardly to be doubted that
La1rabee was in the secret Of the secession
movement when the letter was written, Ney-
eTthc1css he now holds commission as Mai 1r
IN the army, and he had q very narrow escape
from being Brigadier General -all the mem
bers OF Congress from Wisconsin, except
HoEc and Potter, having signed 4 recommcn-
dat1on for his appointment as such