The New York herald., 1862-11-01
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single neance (meaning tho superiority oil bla0 70
Mr. ClAr-oh, am used to this thing all my life.
voRE-To bell with all these damned aboiitionsts.
Mr.. CLAy--Avaing himscif Of one OF Mr.. Trains
ideas-AIl in favor Of hearing me. say "Aye." (soms
ayes He dscreety refrained from putting the negative
side of the question, and proceeded Woll now Mr.
Trsin will tell you why have said that some Of the
black race are superior 10 many OF the white race
(sevsral voices, !" It's lie')-t is because
Of this government to the present dayhe oppros
sion by the savehoder--whose right you here win
dicae over the non-slaveholdpg masses whose rights
! stand here tonight To defend Why did | H.
berate my slaves Not especially that love the
black Or that the black has claims upon my protec
tion than any other person But | educ ted In
New England State-in the penteman's state--and
there found that every man woman and child edu-
Gated and had fair field for exertion unlike the state Of
things in the slave States
VoNE-0h. go back TO Russia.
Mr.. CIAy-I said in my own State, "Wo win educate
(Renewed disorder aud olamor) II not be-
cause was for the black man that advocated this or
that policy was because wished to do justice to all
men-lsome applause and moro hissos)-because |
wished TO elevate all men-becausc | wished
myself TO be free, and knew very well that how
ever camor preudice aud party ORGANIZATIONS may at
has not given given II 10 70 me to be free unless /
so%s Ss .Sa Sh s,.s r. from free more s' g. sSS.scs @
against the black face AID my friend TrsuJ says be in
tends 70 aggregate them together in particular part OF
Mr.. TaAis-out West st'
Mr.. CIAY-wherever you carry set OF mon operated
9 sa % S zG% ss ss hasy 4Ss SsIs WI
and elsewhere that the ateppt to get their support BY
appealing to their preudics asaIis. ths negro VIM, 4
successful be fatal TO the liberties not only Of them
selves but o us all England excuses herself for oppres
sing Ishmeh by saying that the Irish inferior TO the
Engsh and row we are told as an for depressing
the negroes that the negroes are inferior to the Irish
would snslave neither the Irshman the negro. Mr..
Clay then went on to show that the cheapness OF negro
aoor injury to the laboring man, by making the
III
Here the clamor and disturbance was renewed and
grew to high pitch Clay demanded whether no should
" Turn him out" ?
yolcE--we did not come here to listen to you.
Mr.. CLAy--Ihen you can go out.
Mr. lRASAn III favor OF giving Mr.. Clay two minutes
will sly Aye"
An unwilling assent grudgngy given, and Clay
went Calculating the last point amid shouts of denial
and hints about postage stamps deprecated currency
and so forth and much more ineligible ntrnatons to
g shut up.n
Mr. CLAY (watch In hand)-My two minutes are not
out and you stick your pledge my good fellows
VoiCE-Why not buy the negroes instead Of taking
Mr. CLAY--I have not got the money. II had would
DO Il with groat pleasure. Now as to the moral question
So long four millions Of human beings Of them
white as Mr. Train here aying his hand that gentle
mans shoulder). with good doal straighter hair
man be respected How can he be respected when
white as Mr. Train can be stripped naked and have thirty
nine ashes laid his back If he does not do his work
we'll? tell you there Is democracy In slavery (Cheers
and hisses.) you want to make labor respectable,
make it free and God will prosper it.
Ihis sentiment received like all the rest with
Misses and groans Then MIR Train forward smil
ngy and with the air Of being able to do up the job
handsomely and III quick time.
Mr.. CLAY advancing with watch 10 hand and appeal
Ing 70 the audence)-How many minutes will we give
my friendY
captain RYNpERs-Hs will GO just long as no
wants
Mr.. TRAN-(three cheers for Train 'sHurra")-I want
10 show you how will take these doctrines of Cassus NJ
Clay to peces. He brought up illustration OF the
irish. Are there any Edmund Burkes, Shields Grattans
,r Currans among the negroess (NO no. no") Is there
Wellington among themY ('N0, no.") Is there Cor
soran, a Msaghsr, or Shields among them1
voCE-Or an OGorman?
Mr. TRAIN then declared that In regard to the rafting
system 1t introduced by the abolioAists and Know
Nothings. (Cries Of "Jamos Brooks.) There were no
pauper houses or prisons among the slaves.
voIcE-Opcn the slave trade.
ANorHER yorcE-Three cheers for the slave trade.
Mr.. Manufactured that the slaves too low down
In intellect TO take OF themselves, and be looked
upon crime before God to borate those creatures
General appla participated in BY some ladies
no presently He appealed TO his audience to help
carrying New York for the white people, and then the
war would be at end and all the States would be back
into the Union.
The meeting separated with cheers for the army and
groans for Clay and the aboitonsts. challenge for o
Tree discussion the slavery question given and
accepted between Mf Train and Mr. Clay for this
ing, and the Cooper Institute was fixed as the arena