, 1862-01-16
Ctr Ttihuttt,


JONATHAN TALKS TO JOHN BULL,
The American Question, with Va
riations.
=. Train Before an EnsiIsh Az
dtence.
atfvnxi1v seaf,c7, Mr. G. F. Traii, 81 Of Bos. a
ton. Miss, lccturcd in the town hall, Tun-
stall, on behalf of the Tunstall Athcnmum and
Reading Room. The subject OF the lccture.
as announced in the bills, was, 'sThe Anleri.
can QUESTION viii Variations The l,nl was
Of Tunst.ll (Thomas Pcakc, Esq.h presided,
and, in opening the proceedings, there Yas q
disposition on the part Of some Of the audi
cnce to create disturbance and prevent him
from speaking, with what success the sequel
viii show: a1r. Train Was cordially received
hy the major portion Of the audience. but, be-
fore he could begin to speak, he WAS greeted
with the expression, proceeding from the BODY
Of the hall, awe hope that you will speak the
truth"
The Chairman said that Lie would not allow
any interruption.
The person who had previously spoken.
however, inquired, would Mr.. Train endorse
the statements contained in his letter to the
New York Rcrdld2 Confusion
The Chairman: must have silence, or I
will leave the ehair. [Applausc and confu-
The disputant persisted, and this time said,
Mr.. Train had called the English volunteers
set Of fools, and as 4 volunteer he could not
submit to that. Renewed confusion
Mr:: Train said as the volunteers had been
mentioned, ne would rccitc poem in ps:lise
Of them by Eliza Cook, one Of their own poet
csses.
Mr. Train then said that he had been invited
to meet an intelligent audience Of ladies and
gentlemen, but he should think they hid
brought him intoa poultry yard-[Iauglter] :
but before lie proceeded with lis discourse, he
thought it we'll for himself and the audience to
understand u little better their respective 20
sltiol's. (Hear] Ono would suppose that hc
was paid to come there. On The contrary,
he came in order to add something to tie
Athen;rum fund. At Hanley lie was invited
to lecture for the benefit Of the Ragged
School. He went, At Langon, for The
funds Of the Church. He obcyed that call.
Al. Birmingham in aid Of the St. Georges So
cicty Of instructions. He went there also
At Aldcrshott, for the 1nstitution..o of Mental
Improvement and Social Recreation again hc
s;ud yes and when your honorable commit
tee waited upon him with the polite request
to speak III aid Of your Society, lc did not re.
1nsc fchccrs but be assured lie will speak to
no audience unless he can commuud respect.
Hear Tie hall is filed, the Athen;eum has
added to its treasury-the object for which
plished-thereforc, it was for you to say
whether he speaks or NOT. Yes, and ap-
plause.1 He had no objection to those little
interruptions, because they gave variety to
the proceedings. He presumed it was in ac-
cordance with the bill was to speak on
doing The variations. Loud aughter.] BE
WIS not brslve man, aud he believed if he
were sIot in battle, it would be in the back.
[Laugll.cr-] He then recited the poem, to
which lc had previously referred, in praise Of
the volunteers, and said he cheerfully endorsed
every sentiment it contained. fChccrs.1 He
did not wanl those countries to 20 to war.
Applause Their commercial interest in each
other was too great to allow them to 20 TO
war. Two countries that were bound to-
gcthcr by tl00 o00,0G0 sterling year should
DC made to keep The peace. [Applausc.l Al
ten: lie had written letter, but th:r. was
nothing in il that WAS hostile to Eu.laud.
lDisaPprobation. He had been long in this
country, and had been accustomed to speak
his mind. No man or body Of men had cYer
yyset, been able 70 1nuzz1e hi'n-ilaughtcr] and
those WHO failvd. Hear They called him
spy. He pleaded guilty, and would write,
talk, act, a6 he pleased, when he pleased. and
where lie rieased' [Hearl When there arc
SO many milk and wafer Americans in Europe
half and half men who don't know exactly
which side thcy arc on, but 20 bowling about
dcI.ree:lting the war-hoping for peace-dep-
FeciatinE the exertions Of tie cabinet, and H.
yorinE the action Of the traitors, when these
neutral patriots u are abroad-a little cucr-
gctlc action was worth volume Of talk He
would rather drop war, aud speak of China, or
Australia. or on any other subject they like to
suggest. lie would lecture on anything from
theology to ii1idelity at two minutes notice.
IOh!I Hcwas not there to express their oplu-
ions, he came to express his own. They had their
press and their members Of parliament to cx-
them to say whether they would permit one
from the other side Of the wafer to express his
Views. Hear, hear. He had i right to cx-
press his views, but if they did not like to
have them. let them SLY so. ['Yes," and ap-
plausc-l He had no hostility to England
Perhaps England is right in showing such ami
the South against the North, in cncourag giug
rebellion against government. MOL Time
will show wliuarn friends, who enemies. How
often lad lie heard IT English tai)lcs long and
loud cheers when the President Of the United
States was tile toast. [Hclr.] Have these
happy days past !? No. How often have We
seen an American audience rise as one man
in Australia, in Alnerica, i'll Eng1,nd-and
ueuicn The ;ir with shouts and cheers, when
the chairman mentioned the na1nc OF the fair
Victoria, the happy Queen Of England--[ loud
? cheers ARE thest pleasant memories, all rome
by, never to be recalled again? mol God
forbid. There must be no war between these
two countries. [Checrs.] If such war were
to take place iii this civilized aye, they had
better send to the Emperor Of China and ask
linn 10 send missionaries 10 clyiIizc England
and America Ii America had done wrong she
would apologize, but if size had not, neither
England nor any othcr nation could mike her
apologize l"Qucstion,' and expressions
OF disapproba1ion-] Did the International
laws apply solely to England, or to all
nations :slikce The law officers said that Capt,
| WILKES had no right to take the men out OF
! the Trent. but he might have taken the ship
| to New York. # he had taken them contrary
| to international law he Mr.. Train) would var
rant they would be given up. Mr.: Train point
| Cd to '.'e capture Of Lucien Bonapartc and OF
| the irish rebel Mc3anus, who lie said were
| forcihly taken out Of neutral ships, and ar
| gued that Captain Wilkes had only done what
| England had been doing during the last fifty
| ycars. If England could do this, how WAS it
| America could not capture, under similar cir.
cunletances, 1ncn who were in rebellion against
| her: Suppose that two Irish members o1
Parliament, The O'Donoughue and The o.
Bricn had plotted against the Government, es'
capped to Holland, embarked III IN American
ship for New York, would an English
man -of-war hesitate about their capture ?
lHcar] Who were, the two men about
I NAb4At tlttf A<4hE0 VI SUlIE IL HIr
Mr. Mason was tllc a,aAor # The. fuyft,v STARE
Tar, and Mr. Slidell had been for d quarter o,
| century making hostile speeches against thit
t country. Did they think thr Americans when
| they bearded the Trent, and took these rebels
!! prisoners, wanted to insult the English flag
! They never thought Of the Enylish~1la5. They
| were after the vie scalnps that had dragged
the emblem Of their own fair land i'll the miro
! The captain Of the Trcut had no business il
the face of the proclamation Of neutrality tt
take those men on board his ship, and ought
| Has England forgotten that she has some o.
her black subjects in the prisons at New Or
leans: England forgotten the South Car
| olina Law Of 1855, taking negroes British sub
| ject) out of British ships aud selling them, IT
| case ibc master did not pay the fine? Again
In ISIS, no ha1ras corpus allowed. 1851, thir
| ty-sesen British were imprisoned. In 1852
forty-t~o! [Sha1nc.l Here is an outrage Of
England's iag worthy Of action. [Hcar.I
Turning to the Chairman, Mr.. Train asked
wEat.proportion OF your exports 20 toAmcrica
ChaiTman-Two-thirls.
Yes, said Mr.. Trlin, two-thirds Of their cx
| ports went to America, and how then coult
they rise up to fan this nation into war fam
how could they knock down man the
were making money out of To say the least
men whose bread and meat and clothing cam
from their prolific trade with the United State
ought to be ashamed OF themselves. ILangh
| ter and cheers, oFeFpowering few Kisses.
| How could they deal with this case befor
they had heard how the Cabinet at Washington
had decided? How did they know that til
prisoners, would not be given up, But l.
would tell them what he would have done witt
them {the prisoners>. He would have trie
them in the prize court Of New York, he Woul
| have convicted them Of high treason and ser