Daily State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1861-1865, 1862-07-21

quire Of the President ss 10 his opinions on this
OIL, considering il to be very unfortunate that
there should be any difference of opinion between
the President and Congress important a
measure as this. IL must be remembered that the
President i an important branch Of this Govern
ment, and without his signature no bill can be
come law. without a two thirds vote. The
people are very much interested in this measure,
and ne lFessenden) felt deep interest in it, and
voted for IL, though with some hesitation 10 It's
constitutional bearings. He beIievd that what
ever opinion the President expressed he expressed
honestly What part Of common sense is il,
when we can retain all the essential features of
the bil, 10 refuse to have anything 20 do with il
ut alr 1T il not bes' to do the best We can under
the cir~smstancesr Is there any loss of dignity
or CHARACTER IN passing such resolution as this,
or i II bctter that no bill should be passed. He
was wiling to take all the responsibility of going
to the President, If there was any responsibility
about Il at all.
Mr.. Powell, of Kentucky Opposition offered
an amendment TO the amendment offered by
Mr. Clark. to strike out the word "real, 5
have the Limitation to life forfeiture apply to all
property.
Mr.. Doolittle, of Wisconsin, Republican,
hoped the amendment would not be adopted.
de should say nothing, as his views had been
misrepresented by the press He bad been
charged with trying TO protect the real estate of
the rebels, when the reverse was the case He
wanted to get rid of all constitutional objections.
He wanted TO take all the real estate OF the re-
bes, and repeople those States with new and 10y
al people
Mr.. Lane, of Kansas, Republican was will
ling to stand by the President He would not
ask him to violate his conscience on account
of the Senate He thought the amendment of
the Senator from New Hampshire [Clark bet.
ter for the people OF Kansas, as they would
get hold of the rebel property much cheaper
than otherwise, and he was perfectly willing TO
trust his constituents to get hold of the title in
the future
Mr. Trumbull of Illinois, Republican, did
not wish TO make the President violate his con-
science in any way; but is the President connected
with legislation in any way except by his vetof
The Senate did not wish to come in conflict with
the Executive in any way but the President in
unconstitutional way is bringing conflict be
tween himself and the Senate-in a very danger
Gus way. as he (Tr4mbulI) thought He (Trum-
bul) did not doubt at all that the Senator from
Maine Fessenden understood the views of the
President correctly, but on some other bill, and
on some other occasion, some Senators who are
not accurate might undertake TO state the
views of the President and made mistake, and
the Senate might vote on entirely erroneous
views. This resolution proposes an entirely new
fore. The amendment proposed by the Senator
from New Hampshire Clark was suggested
simply and solely for the purpose of overcoming
the objections which he (Trumbuil) understood
were made by the President This seemed like
an attempt on the part of the President to coerce
Congress. If the President has objections to the
resolution, let him use his constitutional preroga-
tive and veto the BILL and then il will not follow
as has been suggested, that we have no bill, for
no VET hp TAX nm md
and, if necessary, the bill can be passed by two
third vote. He (Trumbull) had felt great deal
of interest in the passage of confScation bill and
he believed that if one had passed at the com
mencement of the session the rebellion by this
time would have been suppressed. The passage
of such a bill would have been of more value to
than the taking of the rebel capital. 1t was
just difference between saying % the slaves of
the rebels escape from your masters and come
within our lines and your shackles shall fall for
ever, and saying to them, if you come within our
lines you shall be driven back. The rebels had
conhscated all the property of Union men that
they could lay their hands on but of course re
bel property must be protected, and when Union
army comes upon it guard must be placed
around it and protect it, So there was every in p
ducement for men to side against the Govern
ment for then no harm would come to them from
either side
We should have had plenty of friends in the
South If the cOnfiscation policy had been adopt
ed, and men been told that if they took up arms
against the Government, their property would be
taken. The confscaton bill makes it the duty
of the President to take the property of rebels
ward the expenses of the war; but the BILL if he
understood it, did not declare the forfeiture OF
real estate any convicted traitor and he thorg ht
that, when the President came to examine the
bill carefully, he would find there was no such
clause in it, and he (TrumbulD did not believe
the veto message would ever reach the Senate
and would not believe it until he saw it, There
fore he would not pass the resolution TO obviate
any supposed objections. He would wait until
the President sent his objections in regular form.
and then he (Trumbul) perfectly willing to
pass the BILL with mod fcations not, the Sen
ate decides.
Mr. Hale did not think the President had done
anything wrong, or rnfringed on the dignity of
the Senate in any way, and this was not the time
to stand on trifes. He thought this objection OF
the President was very great mistake. but as
the President acting honestly about it, he
thought the Senate should meet him in the "a me
spirit.
Mr. Powell's amendment was then rejected
yeas 10, navs 81.
Mr.. Sumner said the country was never in so
great peril as now, and. in such time as this he
was willing TO fOrego his individual opinions IA
Their than hazard the passage of the confscation
bill. Though he did not agree at all with the
President in the objection. yet the great object,
the emancipation of the slaves of rebels. was Sc
cured He should. under the circumstances, vote
for the resolution, and for the amendment of the
Senator from New Hampshire.
Mr.. Howard should vote for the resolution
though he protested against any such objection
suggested. but he would not jeopardise in any
way the confscation act
Mr.. Clark's amendment was then adopted, as
follows:
Yeas-Messrs Anthony Browning Chandler,
Clark, Coilamer, Cowan. Doottle, Fessenden,
Foot, Foster, Hale, Harris, Henderson. Howard
Howe. Lane of Kansas. Morrill,, Pomeroy, Sher
man, Simmons. Sumner, Ten Eyck, Wilson of
Massachusetts, Wiley, and Wright-25
Nays-Messrs. Garlic. Davis Grimes Harlan
Kennedy, King. Lane Of Indiana, Powell, Sauls
bury, Stark, Trumbull, Wade, Wilkinson, viii
mot Wilson of Missour-l5.
Mr.. Clark offered another amendment that the
words grant amnesty" authorize the President
TO restore property seized under the bill to any
person found innocent
Agreed to- and the resolution pl ssed.
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