The New York herald., 1862-11-02

now the Uned STATES, having been once colonies q Great
Britain, Should always have remained 80 daughter and
Meed esSs had Of sn answering WEI ~ ali his
snfs, facts and assumed facts by his disingenuous
mode Of arguing II slavery n mas always os existed Inn IN
ignorance stupidity, brutality. crime ana bIoeashed
(Appause In the name Of God and TRUTH is Il mol the
duty Of enlightened Americans this foul sys-
aud plant the tree Of liberty its ruinss remen-
dous cleerngC 1t not for him TO decide the des
tiny any man or race Of men, white red OF black. That
| Mas ds..ermined by Power that errs not. Look at
ancestors in the time Of Caesar Clothed IN the
skins Of wild beasts and fierce as painted savagos they
were hardly able TO distinguish right from wrCig.
And ya, wAst immense progress the boas!sd
| Anglo-saxon nation has made. And ns.ssi.nuch as
that progress has not been accomplished under
| the dominion Of slavery but beneath the benign
l influence OF lbey, so much ought to he CRATE
f for Its bessn But the gentleman says that slavery,
with all its barbaIsn. is 70 continue, because rice sugar,
cotton and indigo are pruced and make large profits TO
i 90 into the pockets OF Northern sympahizers And
this altogether the faiiaclous principle INA.
with the same advantage Of sIrye labor, when It was
we'll known and he had been told over and over again IN
rior quality acknowledged so bringing two to three
above slave grown cotton in all The markets the
wold He glanced then at the map, ana asked slavery
was to be allowed to bask always in the richest territory
OF the Union, to the exclusion OF free labor 10 puld
by the introduction Of free labor. "a yocE.sIs that
constitutonalrl Yes, si, i strictly SO. VOICE
c viii you 20 oaor with the nge rn,ong ow ey
and then God Almighty will prosler whatever
put S our hands @ TO- remend0us applause, ,
West Indies. On this point he would refer but to one
fact and that inalblc argument drawn from the
value Of land. Every must admit that district
increases in wealth and prosperity the price Of land cor
rcspondnsy ascends Now the price Of land all through
days of slavery, proof that it is more valuable, and
that therefore, those countries prosperous than
they used to be. (Applaise) The argument Of his
friend the effect nat emancipation would produce on
| the German and Irish aborer at the North
| VoiCE-"Why not include the Anericans"
Mr. n -Ifth thp ra q
repeat his question will attend to him. Please, SIR to
repeat your question in civil manner and will answer
you civly; otherwise will answer fool according to
his folly. daughter and applause, during which the dis
| tant inquirer very enectuay sdried up.'D
The speaker alluded the fact that in Louisville
Kentucky the O6seur newspaper got out by slaves
for some tmeslaves working tho presses anu also as
compostors
voIcE-what are you going to do with the Niger
| there?
Mr. CLAY-I would do with them as would with such
men as you put little light into your benlghted mind and
then set you free (remendous bowling and laughter, IN
which the inquirer did to ioin) Mr. Clay passed
| Of Northern labor, and said that in the So tn
all labor necessarily reduced 10 tha standard Of what
slave Of the capacity as the white aborer could
produce Thus negro mechanic got fifty dollars year
for certain kinds OF labor aud as long he could be got
do this the free white laborer is compelled to accept
the remuneration none at all (Cries Of talk to
| the audience and not to Mr.. Tran.)
Mr. CIAY-Perhaps am speaking little too plain to
the audience and to the gentleman II does not matter
whore the competition TO labor exists whether it springs
from this that side Of Mason and Dxons line II slaves
manufacture hats poughs, &C., against free industry at
ruinous rates the free aborcr is rated do what he Will
Is it not hcn the part Of true intelligence to berate and
set this slave labor OF four millions free that the price OF
/ labor might be raised and enhanced everywhere
voIcE--ls there anybody here. who knows anything
/ about ratting2 Qaughter.l
ANOTHER VorcE--Is there anybody here keeping the
| proper time? (Tsenewed langhter)
Mr.. Clay. they don't like You (Roars Of laughter,
Kissing and cheers
judge am defending the right of every man on earth
cloud applause) Mr. Train said that slavery is DIVINE
/ institution.
vorE-So is he'll. (Applause.)
Mr.. CLAy-If you want to make an iufdel OF me con-
vince me that slavery is Divine and will believe that
i there is no God When can believe that God doom
| millions Of his creatures to the unutterable woes
Of such terrifying system.-contrary TO- the
% christian faith will be A' ready ~ to praise the
Devil as soon for no could not BE- worse. (Appause)
But this is not and cannot oe 80 God has designed shs
every Chino and color in his own image So much for the
religious points in which Mr.. Train views slavery: In
aud free to choose their assocates-the
with whom they to cat drink and sleep This
the association OF the negro ought in the Of God to
leave him alone; hut Frequently il will be found in such
cases that the negro has the wors, OF the bargain
i TRAINS SECOND HALF HOUR.
SIr. TRAIN came forward ard eaid:-Felow citzeIs-
IA Voice, aGive him dts I'll thank you for your
Kindness listening so attentvely to Mr. Clay. Q&ugh-
grand Information which have just received am told
| that Mobile has been taken by tho American troops.
At the announcement the whole audience rose as by
simultaneous impulse, and checcd vchcmsny for some
tme Then there three cheers given for the army
and navy, in which all joined, and three moro for Gen.
Wadsworih, which were given by the republican part Of
Mr.. TRAIN returned "to his mutons." He had always
known that Mr.. Clay was generous man; but he had
trcy all the points which he Sr Tralnl had made He
had not answered his arguments that the African was i'm
0tsa and % resausy BY slavery but had srouSh,
in very scientific analysis Of the question
Of rats in the North. Bu. ,hOagh Mr. Mr. Clay
for point he would take up his lMr Cay's position and
answer his, point for point. Mr. Clay had card that the
| evil did would die with him. He disputed that,
and would say that the evil the aboionss had done
this country could never die. ,hecrs aud hsses.) He
pro- ounccd eulugy on Ar. Clay for his honesty and
manness, drawing contrast between him and such men
as Sumner Wilson and Greeley. fhisscs) Mr. Clay had
said that If he (r Tram endorsed tho President, he
would have also endorse him (Mr clayl Now he did
endorse the navy and the army, and he therefore must
naturally endorse the Comnander-n Chief Of the army
and navy, the governor OF the country, Abraham Lin
| coin, the President Of the United states.
Here voice demanded three cheers FOR Seymour There
cheers given but they almost drowned IN the
storm of and hisses that met the name OF the de-
mocratic candidate for Governor.
| Mr.. TRAIN rcsumed-He said the President had been
forced to issue his proclamation BY the Governors at Al
toona. He would give them the interpretation OF that
proclamation. Mr.. lincoln in the habit, when hoy
dressed by the aboilionss dropping sugar plum to
keep them quiet He did in the hanging Of Gordon
Columbia: in Offering compessaon 10 the border states
| for emancpaing their slaves The result was ths-lf
Jer Davis issued proclamation making every free negro
in the North slave would just have the same effect as
| President Lncons proclamation to make every
| slave free The President would have 70
| issue another proclamation ON the 1st Of January,
saying that the slaves were to be lberated-n
| might be in ten, twenty, or thirty years hence.
| He would read 70 them piece OF poetry entitled
"Horace Greeley on the American nag"
| vorcH-where are that 900 ,0O09
Mr.. TRAS-That 900 900 are kept back TO vote; but
they will not vote Greelcy's side, as he expects.
think thsse give little idea Of this party
HoRAcE GREExY THE AMERICAN fLxo.
i All hail the haunting liei
The stars grow pa,e and dim;
/ The stripes sxe bloody scars-
Il A o the vsunting hymn.
L II shields pirate deck,
i II binds Ia chains,
Il II yokes the captive's neck
Il And wipes the bloody saina
Tear down the Haunting liei
II Half.mast the starry dagi
/ Insult sunny sky
L With Hates polluted ragi
IL 1 n a. h0ran