The New York herald., 1862-11-02

further anA say that Il shosId NOT b disturbed IN the
docks sessenss forts snd other places within INC
hold uG States but asor slavery 10 tne terofes tnss
his w6oe lite dedicated IN opposition 10 s extenssa
there; that be elected by party which had made
slider that he was betrsyng party he cveraxreec
under any state OF the case. 70 allow slavery
to- be extended N ,s,s lns 'rrs0' uss no, an acre Of
territory belonging &he United states where the 1901 OF
slave could tread that there were naiura laws
which would forbid slavery going into New Mexico, a
snous region and the colder regions Of the Nor,h
and that utterly impossible that slavery could
eyer extend there aud denied that common govern-
nent had power make the prohibition and asked him
why II he really true sincere Union man have an
empty prohibition when tha laws Of nature were a
prohibition than any that could be passed by
Of Congress- (Hear, hear.)
That he waived by saying that he was committed on
this subject Then IL that replied TO him Mr.
President you you werc accidentally selected and
elected by party. You were the candidate OF the
have been taught 70 belevc-that you were the ires
dent OF the Union. opposed you sir" said 70 him
~ .ne q aea, aaa energy wncn aa lad
any personal feelings Of cnmty towards you but because
believed that 1t woud lead to the very result we now
w,ness. Opposed you, sir, but you are my Pfesdebt
you have been elected according TO the forms OF the con-
sttu,on and you the President Of the people Of the
United States and think ethat some little difference ia
the opinions Of those who constitute the majority,
according TO the vote that had been pood Of 100000
He at once rather brskiy said mIf be was minority
President not the rst aud that at all events hc
bad obtained votes than we could muster for any
other ma1." think, as near as can recoHect, thcso
about his identical words
Iresponded at once to him that did not intend 70 re
call to him that he minority President but simply
the broad fact that lac the President not
Of the who voted for hun but OF the whole people OF
interests of tho whole people Of the United Staes-the
party with 100000 maicry ms well as the minority
party by whom he elected ought to be consulted by
him.
General Donovan here n.erposed ans presented thrce
alternative propositions to him. st that he might re
perfectly idle and passive and let the dsinegraon
8 ly,el
rantees such asked and bring the whole power oil
his administration to bear obtaining those guarantees;
thirdly 70 coercion and attemp: to force the
seeding States obedieace He Illustrated very dis
tnctly ard clearly those three propositions
When the conversation had slsckened little, van-
tred to appeal him, manner in which never ap
pcaled any other man and never expect TO 10 again
said that to9c last proposition desired 10 Say one
wordthat trusted aud prayed to God that he would not
resort coercion: that i he did the history o his al
instration would be written in blood and all The waters
Or the Atlantic Ocean could never wash his hands
Hear, hear,n aud applause) He asked me what
would do and meant by coercion the collecting q we
revenue and the taking back OF tue forts which he said
belonged to the United states replied that that was
The only mode in which II was possible that no
could the institution resort 70 ccerconby aD at
tempt collect the and ~ take back the forts
lie had placed himself chair with rounds 10 II, with
his feet upon highest rounda long, anky man with
very large side whsers with his elbows upon his knees,
and his hands upon the sides OF his lace III On attitude of
listening, and when he would speak he would drop his
ing his head he said he would tell little anccdote
which hnd happened when he first came to the bar. An
made ont capital case as thought but when the evil
dence detailed before the jury it was the worst case
that he had ever listened to- and while the evidence N
going the old man came listening TO The evidence
himself and whispered in his ear, Guy 1t up (LaugA
ter) ..Now,n said he, "Governor, wouldn't this 90
i assure you, Mr. Chairman don't present Il il any
light different from that in which it actually occorred-
Zone whatever Isad to him. sMr President it may be
sud that IL would be suyA IL up but hadn't you better
!guv it mp without boodshed than drench this land with
b.ood, and then have to seuv IL up2'' (Applause.l
He hon I'D d<y n Na q
He said he had to the laws faithfully executed
and. addressing himself TO me, he said, i!wond Ike g
said to HIM that he had taken solemn oath TO the
faithfully executed; but that Congress thon in
give President Of the United states the power TO
collect the by armed vessels outside OF the ports
aas % nad y svs Ss
dent TO you TO collect the revenue by vessels out
side the ports, how are you to collect ts DO you think
to the port Of Savannah New Orleans ceect the
thcreS Is II not an impossbiy and does your
cath bind you 70 do thing that is ipcssbie As TO
the forts, that is matter within your discretion, sir.
You withdraw the troops IL you please. You arc
the commander inchief, and il belongs to you either
70 keep them there TO Withdraw them totally,
ruirous war" sswell" said he raising himself again,
which struck me-excusc mo- says he, "a little
ioe which struck you were going on II Is from
have have read '' 4. Esop, You Know says he Illustrates
great principles often by making mute animals speak and
act and according 70 him there was hon once that was
the lady, and the lady became enamcred OF him and
agreed 70 marry him. and the old people we're asked for
their They afraid OF the Of the lion.
with his long and sharp claws and his tusks and they
said TO him. We have objection TO respectable
parsonage you but daughter Is aii and delicate,
ard we hope tha, you win submit have your claws cut
Off and your tusks drawn because they might DO very
uuch in love. His claws cut on and his tusks
drawD and they took clubs then and klocked him on the
hesd." Q.sughter.)
exceedingly interesting anec5ote, and very dpopos,
but altogether satisfactory answer TO me, and then
said him. ssNr Lincoln, this me, SIR is the most
serious and al apsorbin. subject that has engaged
my attention public man dcprecete and look with
horror uron irsricda war Hook TO the injury that
Il do only my section-thaL know is to
be dcsolatcd and drenched In blodbut look the in
uy that is do to the OF humanity ITSELF and
and countennnco aver,ing q calamity Ike ,heti'
Before he replied Mr.. Rves Of Virginia, 50. up We had
before that sed sitting in semi-cTcle round tho
PRESIDENT but Mr. Riyes from his ciair and, with
Z dignity and eloquence that have seldom heard
passed in the Of my lisc be ssgealed 10 him.
speoch, but remember that he told him that be was
then very old man that there never had been
throb Of his heart that not in favor Of the PER-
pe;uaton Of the Union that he came there with a
hope and wish to perre.uats =. ann tliat al his
euorts had been cxertel in enieavOriug 70 pro.
Gre such guarantees would ncrpeate H. but that be
rcd 10 say to himand he said II with trembling
after thai he was NO, fy warned ,hat he agreed with
every word had said with regard 10 tho horrors VI this
anticipated war and that 4 be did resort to coercion,
Virginia would leave the unisn and join the secoding
states. Nay, sr,' he said, old az am, and dearly
have loved this Union, in that crent 60 with all
my heart and souln (liear, hear.)
Mr. Lincoln Jumped VII from his chair, as Mr. Eves was
Standing, advanced one step towards hin, and said,
'sMr Hyes, Mr.. Rves, If Virginia viii stay In, will
Withdraw the troops from Fort SUMTER
,r. Rves stepped back and said, "iir. President. !
have no authority 70 speak lor Virginia am one or ts
humbIcs Of her sons but you do that IL Win be one Of
Tho wisct things you have ever done DO THAT and give
guarantees and can only'promse yoG that whatever
influence pusscss hn ke cxcrtcd 70 promote the Union
and 20 is 10 what IL was We then al OF US got
Up end standing Twas on the outer circle.
lie said swc gentlemen, have been wondering very
much whether II yr. Douglas Mr Bell had been elect
ed PRESIDENT you would have dared TO talk 20 him as
freely ss You have 10 me.u did not exactly hear the
answer but 7 ON told that Mr. Guthrie ans wered him
about III his way. "Mr President, It General washing
ton occupied the seat that you will seon f and IL han
been nece ssry 20 talk 10 him ~ vc have 70 you "a save
such tnon a. this, for should talk 70 him