New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1862-10-14


gentleman ron Mary I'D, WHO il not il his IL, at 70
! dav, "ihey Jer-evere in striving 10 rend asundor
civil religious bonds ihc piuciple l. the
lsane-hoh as,uGe authority to judge--therofore t
may expect iis vote Tor tie amendments. unlets lie
is lOuud 10y some promise in Committee to resIst
amendments. He hes Acknowledged tie late Of
tie Church at the South.
The Rev. pr VINroS then directed his attention
10 the Rev. Or. Mahan. The Rev. DIR. Mahan
acknowl lodges that he came 10 tie Convention re-
solved, by intense convic ions ana cunscieninns OBJ
jecti0ns, to vote adverse 10 al proportions that
relate TO the present Rebellion. Sdch state %
mind incapaCitates man to be a legislator. sitting
IN the sereri'v OF iaucied nialiblly, III the puce
OF SUI e1oT knowledge, or with symra,ny win Tie
Reoel- such a man shuts bis cans aud eyes, and tie
avenues 10 is mind and confidence, and echoes Tie
cry Of the Confederate: "Let us alone. ~ Tie
demoriac cried out " Lea lie alone" Let Us alone;
what have We 10 DO with thee, thou Jesus Of Nsza-
rethl" 1Lanks to tie deputy from Penns, lvaIii,
the subject IL introduced OF the Rebellion III the
Church, and j. the State. Tie gentleman from
New.Jersev makes distir ctiOn between ihinss
political add things ecclesastical-hCnce he Gtlru.s
that things poll zeal must not ne introduced IN an
Eoclesiss,ical Council Politics ia the science Of
Government. ST. Paul defines the nature Of The
duty TO the authorities Of Government ~
our political Obligations III Romans AiI, II.
II Dr. Mahan means to say, that thugs political,
relating TO tie eXisleace OF Gov rGmeut rs Divine,
OF 10 lis science rs III ethical question, to the OBJ
lgaton if subsection To rules, OF allegiance 10 Tue
civil adtuorit es not cOn-sieLw things eelesl-
astical then lie pronounced the proposition rs IN
scriptural and untrue Loyalty il petty, aud piety
nt is TO be hoped, l. thing ecclcsl suca not yet
quite eradcatod. Bat il th Dgs political be meant
10 express the ordinary accept1tion OF the word
politics the and manner oiihe adini;iS' lou
Of Government, such as tariff or Dol j, change
Of Offices, policy Of ten lerancc or Gbolion or no"
man ought TO vote, whether Tor Democratic Or Re
punficap eprGi1atea and This il DIR. nj InHu'e lls-
tratlon Of politics who has coutended that Iolics
properly things ecclesiasilcsl! Dr. MaLan de
tncty saId, If the question OF the rebellion III the
State and the Church is 10 be cousidered, that be
will pursue the topic and ask to be guided by the
Convention whether he ought TO vote Of lie vote IL
all for the Democratic or the Republican candidate
Here Is the glazing iellscy OF tie whole argument
touching the eccleslastical rela' 0Bs To thc Stale
Tolitics. He DIR. Mahan) sand, III loud voice ana
with emphasis, that W IN politics la this General
Council we lave nothing 90 do" Nhs nan here
or elsev here aiiirms tie cutrary The able OF
the Jartursnt mountain which Dr. W. addncel IL
verified in his argument, the underp nuins OF which,
az well as the srrerstruciure is THE iacy For the
question before this Convention relgtiu the Union,
mi consequent existence OF the country and the
Church under their constr utiOns II not quts
ton OF measures nor standardization Of Government.
The question before tits Ecce iastical Convention s
a question of hfc or dcath; not OF what we shaIi
eat nor what We shall drink, nor wherewitusl shall
We be clothed; ioT after all these thpgs d, trA Gn
tiles seek. The alignment i. not only 4 lalhcy. hut
a HFOug. IL Is wrong 10 our 'a,el'..t. ia onr
common sense, 10 this COVE ond 49, -, q.
wrong to the Cbar" and 10 i6, cont9y , In,
the subject OF TIE secesson q dioce-s and the Sc
eeSslon oi states into tie cate OF pariy poics
Into fiy AZ which would lead to tie Debate on
ichich sfds n man sbOUl2 r0te! Tue speaker graph
icay portrayed the horrors of tho rebellion IN The
State, the confusion and disorders of tue rebellion IA
the Church. and the so-iism and confusion attendant
upon such state Of things, and thoroughly exposed
the iailscy OF the argument that such grave qa-f-
mons could be coolly ignored as mere Iafilsan
poucs.'
Mr. JONI W. AyDREws Of Cleveland, Ohio, took
ligh ground III favor Of exhibition oi loyalty, ~
an emphatic speech. lie saii sympalhy with 'h-
Government was religion, aud not politics. l. the
Church 10 dignifed and elevated ,he felt no in
tercst in the rss aud fall Of empires 70, che u
more dignifed and elevated than her Master. lie
believed they owed great duty TO th.ir country IA
churchmen. IL was not a political question on
which they were called 10 pass and be denied ia.
right or prOpriety Of any man TO compare the cub
ject Of great republic IN peril with 20 question
how n member ought 20 vote, whether Tor Rcpub-
hcan or Democratic candidate. No such language
should be used there. II men oaue TO that hou
from a disloSal dioo.te, they should have remained
al home, no matter Whist their logical night might
be- They could not separate their duty 10 the larOn
as clurcnmcn and uLeus.
Dr. HAWKS made some remarks respecting the re-
lation we sustain to the world. w Ell We united
with the Church we renOuno.d tho world. We rcLd
thai he who wIlsbc the friend Of the world j. TIE
enemy OF God. We are to live in loyalty 10 our
Master and not in loyalty 10 he World. We Fay 10
the world stand off, we will have no dicilti0n from
YOU directly or Indirectly. He then referred to the
Committee Of Nine reading exiacisffom The report.
He said their duties individuals did not bind them
as a Convention. They must be cautious, or they
would establish dangerous precedent. WHAT they
should dO--~baieyer action they might take-wouli
not he confined 10 tie present, IL would tell deeply
on u future a. would be part q the cicslasii
/ cal history. Hence 1t behOoved them 10 lie cat
tious, aud TO roeirt, - Church, all out
eide pressure which might DEERE 10 divide on
the secular sub ecis Of the DAY. lhey should no.
be dragged into them. Tbs mission Of tic Church
was TO preach the Copeland TO Illustrate the f.ot
that the Kingdom Of her Divine Master was not OF
this wOEld. NE reverend Doctor alluded TO TIE
subject Of misunderstanding that the generic meH
ing Of the word WIS tepaIatiOn, aud especially a
departure from the order Of tie Chnrch, and applied
tie former term, which might result from tue force
Of circumstances 10 the Southern Church lie al
luded TO the cOns'itu ion OF the Cturcn, which re-
ouires all brethren to be heard before being cen-
fured and warned the lloisc TINT If II should take
hasty or inconsderstc acton, the South might accuse
them Of scli.n-On conforming with the law Of
their own Church before they ceIGured them. ter
referring TO the MODE of tTlal of Southern church
men, be inquired how The liouse composed OF four
laymen ana four cleTgymen from each diocese, could
try Presbyterl If the church dc 1t with the sub
iect Of the rebellion, in her Official capacy, ene
would illustrate that she was 10 be led by the > ate,
and beng ~ led, would prove she Inferior
Az citizehs, il was their privilege their night, and
their duty to support, by all means in their power
the Government Of the country; but the Church
should be free from such subjects. When great
armies saying each other, rho shonic come be-
tween ~ All angel Of peace, bearing the gospel OF
| lovo TO all What be would advise would be u Hp-
point the very best Committee OF that House to ei-
/ feet concordai, TO confer with their Southern