The New York herald., 1862-04-17

sb"d,ng that wouy a. - eas, AZ bast. te" r1s.e1 O
ccIr II the Exchs1uer. who sometimes upbraids ths
House for It's progste expsndiare TO support ne pro
| cus ons in Cabinet. understand that the rove
returns. o,nosruing vioh We a :. hear SOM thin
oo thursday viii presen an afoa anos - m"rs tavo or
. an, or rather not u.4Sv0 apie 20 many personi
ID exi iected; but a,srra Ane touse snat, yuag
,ng from the site things in trSS Nor.n y England
mo1ths or YER ,err vii b, very ,~nsierable fslns
on n the venue and very great Sring among N.
slIorng tian know ,any thing or ~ss II !. born
80 sisnty ana heroicay (Hsar, hear pus sns n ~
fault 4 thsr own, the more carefully ourh Ne govern
m.nt and hi, HouSs t. watch that single tarthinl
OF the moasy which from shem uasa q
WORKS wncn have boen shown by Il tho great w
trtios in the country the homo able member for Chs
nam, to be unnecessary (H ar.) think we "a
tit Cd ask the govo nmet not TO commit them olive
anything further in this respect and abstain RON
volvig the country in . further expenditure We ma
DO sure that before long shall receive from the ohes
do Of the Atlantic the reports scientific men, anl
more complete information with regard TO this matter
without going into the question Of tho great ,svoiutios
which. agree with tho honorable meiabsr for Galway Il
inevitable, but which Is not, perhaps, so far p owed =
70 nstiy great change Of policy we may call upon "
governmen 70 suspend processing and thus 70 ths
country Il least million OF the outlay to which
mi,ssa o.s.lvsa ,.r ;. 90 ~. hastily SHe.s. hs.r
right lonorahie geasnaA hat The govsrnmcnt haA -
been frightsaad or theif sy the action shs
howoysr, sas-wni ~ss Go so q soid roriinc..loos
bslt Ia the water ~ oo,sta xape susy solid fre
rna fax 4sdferrss' fIsa hear) There cosId - =
toSsariso bdcesn Me Uo. Two yeaps ago the honorable
1" these Spithead forts the member for Wakefield wross
and spoke for them he himself voted for that moasus0
but subsequent Investigation had shown that was -
absurd mistake. Thoy had como forward and acknow
dgod their error and he hoped that tho right honorable
baronet tho secretary Of state for War Id reconsdss
tho matter ard 500 whether the change Of circumstances
did not render that the erection OF these tor
tications should re at ppsd
Mr.: B. Or oRsE-I was In hopes, afsr the humorous
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tho non necessity OF these forts which have hoa -
tonight that we should have heard also OF that Of hss
Majesty's government (Hear, hear: have beer very
M CHI disa poted at the speech tho Secretary OF STATE
TO- War becausc. If we are to un erstana hing from
that speech, II must be that her Majesty n are
about rush i,o this enormous expenditure in spite a
the evidence Of the events which have cd In Himp
bT FOR Brmi CHAM b o ben unnecessarily hard upos
tho right honorable baron tho menbcr for nroitwich
gsntiman he first TO draw tho attention OF tho
try to ths objective state Of navy and he ought
not 70 ns tauntsd with what was IN fscO
said that tho Admiralty opposed to all change but
was the Admiralty o tAat dy that proposed these very
miral 81 r. Dundas then First Sea Lord, who broughl
forward this very scheme, and proposed to convert
defend Portsmouth and other harbors, nos
exceeding ss4o ooo instead Of erecting fots
which will considerably than million and
half That proposal was nsgatived BY the engineers,
who thought there was nothing like stone and mstai
for building, and therefore do not think tina. tAs
admiralty arc opsn to the rnsinuatioa that they ses
themselves against this improvoment. From the
spsech made by tho Secretary Of State for War,
seem 70 DO going bin y On. throwing these millions
Of money into Soithsad, without Knowing exactly ethee
what is to bs tho cost Of tho forts what Is to be
tnoir use whom they built. He has spoken rathsg
ghngy Of this great and bloody experiment which La
been in hamp Roads, But what Is the evidences
conclusive Hs says that soon tho Msrrimao, o.,
a. beeve she is Nv called, the Virginia. got withlS
ss ss OF rs As
shsathing like hxllstonss on tin roof = Nearly
all tho guns wore nluntsd the bukhs Do blown =
hoys all kied r. this u not evidence. with what owl
dlnce VII the right honorable gentleman BE- oontena
Whether II be evidence not think that tho House
uatiasd in calling upon her Majesty 70 sus
pend-(hsar hear)at loast to suspend-thsse extsa.
siys operations which are likely not only TO be moss e
tice has been done t. Captain COwpsr Coles. HIS plan
was brought forward last year. and ON that occasion
lord the Secretary Of the Admiralty.
Lord G. PAGN-No, no.
that plan.
Lord c. PAosr-Tasrs a sAs? neY building on Ass
rt'n.
Mr.. OsBoRN-I am very glad TO hear II. What doss
a,aiu Coles ofr He says that he will for small
Of money convert battle ships which lyiag lis
into shield ships which may form u patrol to d.
fend your harbors am glad that this discussion has
tiksn place, but think it will be totally useless We
not only the converts. but tho thirty nine articles. o
whom hapI on 70 be one, who originally voted asai.ss
this outayif the House does not insist upon her Ma
ie.. fort: unta ,ce are in postcm % ,@o Nat Msy ~H
BE- atls o Aod thar agains ths menaers g As Ss1
r" r a. arc p.% srs s,Th. a',1S YSoS
very ably and clearly by my honorable friesd the
mombor for Chatham Is q question OF extreme
entirely ssre. with th. Secretary q State ios
War that 1t would not BE- wise for Us. in the transi
policy affected BY every report that may coms
across the Aantic but on the other hand, It Is impes
sibe g. deny that the circumstances of the action In
James river have boen most remarkable and are closely
connected with the opinion which has boon through
ut expressed by that high authority Captain Coles that
tho erection Of thesa forts would not be the best mode
or defending Spthead. cannot but express my regrse
at the language have heard from the Secretary of
state Tor War; and from whch gatAr thai her Majsays
government di posed 10 aaaca ueioM all 70 A1
occurrence but to psr.urs ut all hazards. Whou any de-
tay and wih ~, any frth.r considsainor reecicn b
psrd Mn Ia ge SUI Of mon,v pom fhs const,a. i,Cn Il
these forts (Iear, hear The question is worry din
ct one but the IMPRESSION maze upon my mind by the
intelligence from America Is ch that, considering the
great expense involved and the doubtful policy OF
sructing those forts, wish the government had int
mated more clearly than The rght honorable gentleman
has done nat thoy dsposod consider anxiousy
what is the real tendency OF that intelligence before
they determine TO persevcre with these works (hear
! hcar.l
Lord G. PlcrrI say that think my right honor.
| able friend tho member for oitwich has msled the
House what said by tho Secretary Of state fo
War. What he said, NJ understood him, wasand with
that entirely conc.rthat Important as Is tho event
which recsnty irred the other side Of the Atan
to- IL shows nothing de idcd 10 the merits Of iron
ciscdvesses Of whioh We previously Ignorant -
oblge the government suddenly to set aside plan
which has been adopted the maturest and gavest
delberaton Important this action has been, what,
ak the House has really beel taught us by itY We have
known time that vessels cassd with armor Of
certain thickness would resist the projoctles which
known In the present day We havo boon goiog through
very careful experiments at Shoeburyness and we knew
| hat iron cased ships were very much superis
to wooden ones. what has beon the result
I Why, that we have ceased to build large
| wooden ships and have taken to building iron.
c,scd What other things do We learn from
this actou That an iron cased ship can what is termed
"giyo the stem' to wooden ship and out her down,
hat did not require this action TO prove that We have
known that for long tme aud have constructed all our
iron cased ships with view The honorable and ga
liant member for Chatham shakes his head, but assure
him that every iron cased ship beginning with the cnis
on INV right honorable friend the member for Drowich
the Warrior has been constructed by Strengthening
The stem aud the lines and Other arrangements as 70
enable nor II necessary, to down her enemy. 81
! ,hs, ,~I~ - .o'd - h,d vessels strong on Il sh q
.o,S.,s * ~ T.; stsir @ tvasa 20 q" -. .. ',
bsys bear doink for the last three years. With regard