The New York herald., 1862-10-15

q And particularly that shock results from the hap
awsIsss 4. Yss, sir, the change frc:: ,.n,,, = :.
fanity must be Immediate. s3 W ~
10 The Ehtrisi Attorns~ think the conduct and ap
asah, before an alleged act OF frenzy are
IVY IL is not one symptom or two that distinguish IN
sanity 1t is the grouping together Of number Of symp
toms,
o Can there be such thing tranquil frenzy A.
think not; frenzy used however, in two senses-
in which the patients are reused 70 very high point
IN another sense il used meaning the same as mad
insanity-contnnous madness. Q In homicda
manias are not the exciting causes apd the
much separately A.. The cause may be Of
long standing may be brief for instance cause
may be OF long standing and the mind brought 10 cer
tain state aud them from additiona cause, may be
developed Q. Would IL not be likely TO be developed
immediately A. Yes when the last cause comes INTO
action the Of impueive insanity It is very
difficult 10 decide should expect that the effect would
follow almost Immediately. @ You have been asked
about men having been hanged whom You regarded 70
have insane do you know, from your reading that
and women havo been acquitted out Of sympathy
whom you were convinced subsequently reading the
evidence were not insane? A. resoiect having read Of
cf that kind do not that refer 70 any
particular case Do you recolec the case Of Caeha
Gery reported in the Medical Journal of iftSaHtyp
1t trie in Newark; she charged with the mur
der of seducor who had married another and
she was acquitted on the ground Of insanity she was then
examined by three physicians appointed by the Court
and pronounced perfectly saneY A. recolect the
insane. O. Have you similar attempts at
suicide? A. have seen where patient jumped
into the river several times supposed she at
tempting suicide and She represented that TO be the case
but occurred often and caused much trouble that
having indirectly learned she could swim, the next time
she did it allowed her to swim out and there wos no
further attempts. @ A who had used herself to
taking opium might fcgn suicide by taking andAnrm A.
She could take large Of opium without any very
sensible effect Leay ing out Of the case the facts which
IN my hypothetical question related TO the scene al the
washerwomans were you able IN any Of the other facts
! to detect any signs Of grief or melancholy in
| the acts OF the lady-in gGing TO the place
| Of business Of the deceased, going 70 the ferry,
IasipQ thA niGtnl Aa in fhpra
are no indications OF grief or melancholy a. Suppose
that to these should add ha. the shot was
the husband or lover and that she had met him
with whom shc supposed 10 be either his intended
his wife his mistress what effect would that have
the question OF motiyey
Objected TO. admitted and exception taken.
A. IN either case do not know that would change my
the question Of sanity you consider also that of motve
A. Yes q Have not nearly all, II not all, the cases of
homicda mania that you have either seen road of
been accomplished with total want OF motivef A. tnink
that Ia Of the principal points that characterize il
in connection with other symptoms.
The District Attorney referred to the English case OF
B1ranei the Italian the OF Ross Fcuchett who, at
shooting gallery turned round and shot the Grs.
O. In your direct examinations you spoke of mpulsive
insanity and that the person did usually select vic
Judge rarnard--Op if he did, then a victim near and
dear 10 hmY A. Yes Q. You attach importance TO that
indication Of insanity? A. do. O. How long it
books2 A. think first described by Pinel nfty
or sixty years ago Prtcnard has written especially on
J,au
cidal mania, which rs included moral insanity do
not recollcct Of any Of homiCdal mania that
approved writer on this subject have read lay
lors Medical Jurisprudence Is regarded as very good
authority
Here the Court took a recess till two o'clock
On the semb.ng OF the Court Mrs Louisa Morrell
examined by the District Attorney and dep' Sod
have very little acquaintance with the accused board
ed at tho house with her from three 10 five weeks;
saw Mr. Real 10 visit her; il AT Us Hammond
street. The OF the lady kept the house was Mrs.
GIRL and asked her why she did not get married to Mr.
Real she said their dispositions different she
did not think they would live happily together this was
in the winter " 1880.
Cross-examincd by Mr. Edwin James-I not
quaincd with Mr. Real he used TO TO her once
twice u week he her in the parlor present
or twice when he there; the conve sation
Cured occasion when said TO her she worked very
hard aud asked her WHY she did not get married to Nj
Real she very Industrious girl heard from seyc
raj persons that she married but there was nothing
to lead me to suppose that she married very
tto acquainted with hor did not speak 70 Mr. Rca haf
dozen times.
David I. Brown examined by the District Attorney
Am resident OF the BiocmiGgdae Lnnatc Asy
nm, and have been conaeoed with that institution little
over ten years; heard Dr. Ranney's reply 10 your ho
District Attorney 81 ntcrrogaory this morning and may
with him in general terms TO the character OF
honcidal insanity attach very great imporia &C 10 tine
question Of tho presence motive strong
motive, such jealousy, would have very great i'm
pelance bearing on the pinun h M ght bc formed
if motive shown TO exist should weigh it by It
self the importance that ] would attach would
pend on the character of The motive and its REALITY of
course the inference would be very different tho
case OF tie motive beng real aud in That
that woman had met her lover husband 10 company
With boautni lady whom she supposed 10 be attached
70 hun, and that within two hours found shopping
for pistol. and then within hohr after that had
this man and shot him what, If any, indications OF m
sanity would these facts present.
Objected 10, admitted and exception taken.
4. do rot think they would necessarily present any
indication OF insanity and yet all these acts might lie
which side 10 The probabilities, in your mind lcan2 A.
TO neither. Q Suppose add that there was no evi,eLcc
OF gf'ef melancholy or frenzyf
objected 10 by Mr.. James. ~ was he first time he had
heard tie opinion OF expert asked il a OF
justice en- facts which haG 40 existence.
The Court intimatcd th 4 such opinion could have
effect upon the jury.
Mr. James preferred mol to have opinion given
such crcamsanses.
NLe ristfc. lTorey called attention to IN, fact that
Mr. Brady, who-he might say without disrespect T. his
learned iriend-deiends hs clients with equal inteI
gence, earnes ness and zeal had made objection 10
similar question in the Huntingdon case.
Mr. James admitted that as an advocate nothing could
profession and stated that he would be proud to follow
him haad passJus qais, but that Mr. Brady had given
his sanct ion to no such question.
Objection sustained.
9. Were yon in The court when put my hypothetical
question 70 Dr. RanncyY A. was think remember
the main points Of 1t: beard DR.. Ranncys answer. O.
DO you agree disagree with DIR Ranney2 A. prefer to
give my own answer my reply TO tho main qas sion
presented inconsistent With the person alluded TO beng
in state either Of sanity or insanity, think that
person who was sane, OF person who was sane might
act rst as IL assumed that individual did O. In
other words It is just consistent with the Theory OF
sanity as with that Of insinityY a. Quite SO.
Mr.. Jamcs--And the convcrseS
The District Attorney accept the converse.
O. Have you visited the Tom5s at any reqgcs A. Yea,
sir; Ir. Ranney also there; cunyerscd with hes
and saw her
Cross. examined by Mr.. James should think was
there about half an hour she gave description of
how happened z. Did she tell you the pistol went or
by ACCIDENT A. Sho did @. Did she tell you she
in a STOPPING position-that he grasped he's hand, and
that she did not know al the moment whether she
shot hcf A. She did. U. The facts prop punaed to
you might be isient either with sanity insanity
A. so regard them. Y. You have known crimes 10 be
committed by insane persons under circumstances show
ing premeditation and csreS A. Undoubtedly. q. A
girl whose mvd impaired aud highly sensitive
ug Some disturbing cause might rush OF in dclirnm,
buy pistol and shoot man, and that might be
sistent either with sanity or Insanity a. IL might
a. Could you give al opinion az man OK science, the
abstract facts in this without having examined her
either immediately before shortly af,org My self
eh esteem for professional reputation would make