The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1861-01-13


.ow debate upon The bill now
Irepeat that / have desire 70
le FIRST appropriation bill OF the
proposed that il should be debated
,.o., ~. :. . of the House, composed OF both
sides thai. i should be made "a, s 9 Sssa,s a.
any time, and If tho House dsaired TO debate 'ne
bin they could do 80 But. as / sad before 70 t
pone general debate The condition OF the country 70
ao.her time when the Committee OF Thirty three had
brought up their report when the Force BILL as was
called up for consideration. These appropriation
Bills contain tem--they the mere appropri-
lions which would be necessary State had Seeded
q Il there disturbance or difficulty whatever in
the country Therefore it appears 70 me that all this Is
factous opposition to the rules Of the House again re-
peat that, after these Army and Navy bills passed,
Tie gentleman from Virginia Mr. Garnet and his pohti
cal friends can indulge in the widest latitude Of debate
Indeed IL the House should ut TO allow debate upon
which VIII " would dr. come up on Monday, he would
special order unless large majority desires il. Under
these circumstances hope the gentleman will withdraw
Mr. GARSEIr-If the gentleman from Ohio pledges him
self on behalf q his paItyand know that he can 90 So
that debate viii be allowed on the Army bill on Monday
next, will withdraw my present opposition.
SEVERAL REPUBLICAN, MEABtRs-No,
Mr.. srsM,SI cannot do that, but promise that the
debate be had, I will make no objection to all
fair latitude Of discussion. Gentlemen on the other
side win find that this side will meet all ques
tons fairly and frankly. We know duty, and in
tend to perform it, Whether in debate here or else
where, we shall perform the duty imposed upon by
the people United States There ample time be-
fore for debating all the important questions now be-
the country and gentlemen will have every oppor
tunity of expressing their political opinions. AT all
events they should experience hindrance at his hands
have disposition to prevent debate on this or any
whether hero or elsewhere Let these bills pass and
| they would have debate to their hearts content.
Mr. HSpsas-I have no favors to ask, either in the
shape Of debate other shape here OTTO use the
| gcntleman's own phrase-elsewhere.
Mr. sHKRxsS0h, very well; there is no need OF nm
due excitement about the matter
Mr. HSpMAS did not feel in the slightest degree ex
cited 1t in the geneman's power to create any
excitement on his mind Gaughterl
debate the appropriation bills Now he would submit
to the gentleman from Ohio that, supposng that he mr.
used for unconstitutional purpose would not be
fair motive to refuse the appropriation? Did not he
when he thought that the troops sent to Kansas were to
be unconsttutionaly enployed2 And II was proper
tor him then was it not equally proper for them now
fered TO- If he supposed that the army to be used
Tor unconstitutional purpose be would oppose any ap
preparations for it, and he had formerly done But AZ
the same time he would observe all the rules Of order
which ought govern the action of members on that foor
He had the occasion referred 70 refused to vote sup
plies for the army because he then believed that II
| would be employed in an unconstitutional way
Mr. slcKIJs, (opp) of N; " said-It is entirely just
history that debate should be allowed upon the great
questions Of the day The House is considering appro
priaon BILL and debate should be allowed upon 1t. In
thia concur with the gentleman from Virginia (Mr Gar
net but dissent from his declaration that the Presi-
dent is using the army and navy for
unconstitutional purpose. The President has soemnly
declared the world that he does not possess the power
TO State and that Congress has such power
insist he has done no act Inconsistent Win these deca
rations Nor Is II right TO assume that he will. The
taken and to be taken TO preserve and defend
the forts and arsenas only in the performance OF
duty imposed upon the Executive by the constitution and
the laws II is much the duty Of the President to de-
feni Fort Sumter against all trespassers It would be 70
employ all the resources at his command to defend this
Capitol, where celebrating assiduousy and
nestly to adjust the unhappy differences between the
North and the South.
Mr.. STANTON (rcp) of Ohio, always claimed that the
minority should have opportunity to debate If gen
tlemen say after reasonable time is allowed for that
purpose there shall be no factious opposition he would
| have no objection.
Mr. SHERMAN said he was Lwillng, after consultation
with lis friends say for himself that he would not
submit motion to make the Army bill special order
until after three days debate and by running into night
sessions every gentleman would have opportunity TO
express his views.
satisfactory.
| The Navy Appropriation bill was then passed
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