Wilmington journal. [volume] (Wilmington, N.C.) 1844-1895, 1861-06-13
The pending question was upon tle motion of Mr. Cor

The pending question was upon The motion of Mr. Cor
re to insert eight instead of foe.
Mr. Ellison suggested to the mover Of the resolution to
ton Of two for the State large and eight to be elected bv
the people of the several congressional Districts.
for G son at arg AND oT to elect two
trct. said at first he in of the smaller num-
ber ve) but inclined to 90 for the larger tenl
as circumstances since caused HIM to change his views
Mr. Hicks was in favsr of electng ten but by the Con-
Mr. Mitchell moved amend Mr.. Gorren's amendment
by mahng 1ne egA proposed in said amendment to be
State ct large The President announced the amendment
not in order.
MIR. Spruil agreed with Mr. Osborne Ten ought 70 he
elected, but mmateral with him by what mode thew
were appointed Either way suggested would satisfy him
Ten heads in these times of revolution were better
than ve and he was certain that would be sent but
wise
Mr. said this State will only be entitled to Init ono
the Provisional Congress and five can do as well
ten. He in favor also of eectng them by the Conyen
The people do desire or expect this election to
be placed in their hands There are thousands of our c
zens now out OF the State acting military capacity who
would not have opportunity of voting for the deIeeates
and the elected would not be fair Of th
sentiment Of the whole State . N
Mr. Gorre said would be better elect eight to cor
respond with the in late Congress- of the
United States As there Senators in the Confede
rate Congress correspond the two proposed for the
State at large it would be better to leave them out
Mr Bond said at first he in favor Of the number pro-
posed IL the resolution, (6ve) and still considered that
sufficient number, but there seemed to be decided will
OF the House to elect ten, he would number
the people. WV O''N W
The question required upon the amendment Of Mr.
The hour OF o'clock having arrived the President
rav the nermanent Ccnsttntion Of tho Gt[
Inc question being on the motion of Mr. Graham 30 post
Mr. Headen and addressed the Convention He said
he had listened with marked the very able ar
gumens of the Delegate from Wake Mr. Badger and the
Delegates from Orange and Aamance Messrs Graham and
Ruin. He had listened to the remarks of Mr.. Graham
with desire not to agree with him the question post
attpr
but listening to Others he had not heard any argument de-
duced to overthrow those of the Delegate from Orange
He had after deliberate calm reflection arrived at the
conclusion that the position assumed by the gentleman from
Mr. H. spoke at length favor of the amendment of Mr.
Dck to submit the ordinance of ratification to the people
assigned several reasons why this should be done
Mr. Rayner stated he had proviso which he to
4er at proper time that provision should be made for
f and in the election of the first President.
MI Rayner spoke at considerable length upon the ques-
Rufn and Badger in regard to the admission Of other
States into the Contederacy under the supervision the
provisional and permanent constitutions OF the Confederate
Mr.. Venerable then addressed the Convention avoring
the immediate adoption of the ordinance of ratification.
Mr.. V. based his arguments principally upon the position
that North Carolina would acquire in the of the adop
the permanent Constitution all the rights and priv
from the provisional Constitution certain clauses and also
the of Congress providing admission of NORTH
Carolina into The Confederacy. Pending the remarks
Mr.. W the hour of O'Clock arrived and the Convention
took recess until o'clock this afternoon.
e AFTERNOON SESSION.
The President laid before the Convention amessage from
His Exceency, the Govero enclosing the articles of
for the Of the of the Confederate States
in compliance with resolution of the Convention. Laid
the table, and ordered to be printed.
The President announced Messrs Hicks Sanders Batch
eor, Stewart and Whtford the committee the elgi
bty OF members of the Legislature authorized to be raised
n per resolution of MIR. Hicks.
Mr. Venabe resumed the floor and concluded his remark
upon the ordinance to ay the permanent Constitution
d the Confederate States.
Mr. Smith, OF Halifax spoke in opposition postpone
d ment and reference to the people.
Mr. said haVn hppO mn md and de
tanned from his seat he had not heard the discussion th
subject but he had come now for the purpose OF voting TO
e the ordinance and against the amendments.
Messs Bachelor and Long, of Randolph then conclude
reference to the peope and p favor Of The mmedate pa
sage of the ordinance and the latter against
and in favor OF the amendment of Mr. Dick to refer to tn
Mr. Graham withdrew his motion postpone, and
ted Mr. Dick temporarily withdraw his amendment,
enable him to offer proviso. The request having bee
complied with, the proyiso, in substance as follows, wa
~ That North Carolina equal participation wit
all the other States the first Congress- and in the electO
In Offering the provso Mr. Graham said be had moved
at postpone order that difficulty which existed in
might be avoided. He believed that good had resulted
IF the discussion
Mr. Badger said he opposed to the proviso becaus
1e ratification which conditional ratification
ALL and upon this referred to the views expressed by
10 Madison relative to the State of New York.
After further discussion between Messrs Rufn opposing
= and Kittrell favorng the adoption of the proViso
The question then taken the proVso and resute
nf Mr. Speed an amendment in substance follows BIT
subsequently, after discussion, withdrew 1t That Mort
Carolina to herself the right the
delegated whenever the people declared that the
10 terest OF the State required It.
mr. Mr. Warren amendment, which the chair ruled out
amendment in the third degree, and NJ
Dicks amendment taking precedence.
Mr. stated that it the proVso as that nco
porated in the ordinance of the State OF Ford
49, 'Decarng nevertheless, that as the powers conerre
20 through said Constitution the Confederate Government
sit emanaed from the people of the several States in the
separate sovereign capacity said powers may be resume
no the in which they delegated, Whehev
they shall perverted the injury OF the people,
he by her delegates in Convention having the rights
be Judge of the occasion that may require such action
til The question recurring upon the amendment of Mr. Die
" it was decided in the negative-years SO. nays 76.
he The yeas and being ordered Those who voted
tie the affirmative are,
v Messrs. A on, Armied, Battle of Wake, Berry, Bon
I Galloway Cannon, Christian, Council Davidson Die
' Douth Eller Ellison, Ferebee Glmer, Gorell Grahal
zee Manning Merritt MITCHELL Sanders, Smith, of Johnsto
nd Smith of Macon Speed SprOuse, Sprui Of Berthe SPra
ee sGerrel Thomas, of Carteret Walton, Warren and W
Ge Those who voted in the negative are,
Mr. President Messs Arlington, Ashe, Badger, Barn
we Bachelor Battle, Edgecombe Bggs Brodnax, Brow
n Bunting, Carson Crage, Cunningham, Darden Dnlal
Durham, Foster, of Ashe, Fuller Greene Greenee, Crime
nm Hamlin Hargrove Hearne Hankel Hicks Holmes, Ho
wv ton, Dupln Houston, of Union, Howard Johnston,
CASTOR, Johnston, of Meckenburg Jones, of Rowan Ii
the DER Leak of ADson Leak OF Richmond bcDoWel OF
led den, Mcdowell Of Burke, Mcdowell, OF Madson Meme
of Cumberland McNeil of Harnett, Meares, Mebane,
Ier Moody MOely Myers Osborne PeRlapd Pett,gre
' Shaw, Ship, Smith, of Halifax, Sutherland, 6tewa
the Strong Thomas Of Jackson Thompson Ihor1on Ira
' Turner, Venable Ward Washington, Whidord WillaI
GRO Woodfn and Wooten.
les MI. !" al Gu ~ Iilon W 90 Ni0 "0'' ~ ~
ord JeGteo-1e cas- 20, nays 90. A. ~ +t Croit+
Mr.. Craige said he would vote against the substitute,
mo- for the original.
~ Mr. Ruin amendment referring to the Constitution
ton Confederate States and making part I" the ordnan
ow After some discussion, adopted.
The Inc question low Tecureu upon Tue %
The question then put, shall this ordinance as am
ded pass its third reading and decided in the armat
|. unanimously.
at Mr. Badger moved that the ordinance be read