The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1861-09-06
NEW YORK HERALD, FRIDAY SEPTEMBER g. 1861

tween them and any other members OF the Convention
They had equal rights the f00r and he cou not voter
crafty any set Of men, 10 deprive them Il their rights.
Mr.. LuDpISGroN inquired If every member Of the Con-
then the New York delegates were as much entitled 70
votes as he and his colleague.
Mr.. TAaHR insisted on the point Of order that the
reading OF the journal Of yesterdays proceedings is
order before any other business ia transacted
The PRElDEN-fhere Ia now no question before the
convention but the appeal from tho decision of the Chair
Mr. SPRGGs had confidence in the honesty Of the deci-
sion made by the Chair but he believed that II was err
and Tammany delegations members Of tn Convention
and the Iammany delegation, as such mbers Of the
Convention had asked leave 10 Withdraw for consulta
ton.
Mr.. IANINa rose to a point Of order The gentleman
from Oneida was discussing the meri Of the question:
and not the matter of appeal.
Mr. SPRiGGs-I am discussing the question In order The
question Isl whether the Convention shall be disturbed by
reopening the question which settled yesterday.
dred and ten men who voted yesterday to sustain the mi
nory report ready &C. down into their boots
nj the bidding OF few leaders they ready to do
SO, the Convention desires to know who they are.
Mr.. LASINs-Ihe question IS on tho right OF the New
their right TO seats IN the<;onventi0n.
Mr. SsaGGs understood the question TO be whether the
Chair decided correctly when ruled that Mr. MoAasers
of the Mozart delegation, not member this floor
and entitled to all tho rights of the members. He
reminded the Chair that after the action OF the Conven
ton yesterday he appointed two members Of the Tam
many delegation on the Committee Resolutions Why
ala ne do so II they were not regularly admitted as nom
bors of the Convention2
journal of yesterdays proceedings for the express pur
pose Of showing the Convention how it was stultifyng
itself by its proposed action to-day.
DElEGArE-The question is whether you entitled
TO speak, and you are speaking all the time. daughter
Hon. H. CHURCH said the question had not been fairly
stated by the gentleman from Oneida (Mr Sprggs) The
question was not he had said whether the New York
delegates members of the Convention and entitled
to vote and to speak, but only whether they the
right to speak and vote this question relating
| the right to a seat in the Convention. (Applause)
The question was then put on the appeal from the de-
| mo Npr Vnrk dalan toe
were not entitled to speak or vote on this question: and
the Chair was sustained by vote Of 42 ayes against 62
| nays
The result received with applause from the friends
| Of Inmmany.
Mr. LuDDINGroN to point of order The question
now before the House was to reconsider the vote on
the resolution adopted yesterday, admitting both sets
delegates from New York He read from tho rules to
Of the body, motion to reconsider was not in order.
| (Appause)
Mr. LUpDlNGToN-The Senate rule.
The PREpEsT-The Convention is governed by the rules
| Of the Assembly. Cloud laughter)
| Mr. KERsAN-The rule Of the Assembly is that mo-
ton to reconsider is in order tho or the next
| Parliamentary day to its adoption.
Mr.. LUDDfSGToN-As the gentleman was a member of
the last Assembly he probably knows better than do
| Uaughter.)
! Mr. TnAYER, Of Wyoming moved the previous question
| on the motion to reconsider yesterdays vote
Mr. d. MouLroN of Oneida, moved to lay the previous
| question on the table.
Loud desutory discussion points of sprang up
and the Convention was for some time In much confusion
At last under call for the yeas and nays Convention
refused to lay the subject the table by vote Of yeas
! 81, nays 49,
The question being ordering the main question Mr.
MONSTERS begged the indulgence Of the Convention while
he said few words and he should be ready to stop
any moment should his remarks prove offensive to any
! delegate.
ton ordered
The yeas nays being ordered the resolution to re-
consider yesterdays action was adopted. Yeas ia,
nays 81.
The question then recurring the substitute offered
yesterday for the report of the Committee Credentials
admitting both the Mozart and Tammany delegates,
long and animated discussion points Of order
which became considerably mixed up before any Olsen
| tanglement could be reached.
In the midst of the intense excitement the pre-
viouss question demanded when Mr.. SPIGGs of
Oneida moved to lay tho previous question the table,
This was put to vote and declared carried when the
friends Of Mozart Hall rose giving tremendous cheers
The Tammany delegates, in dsmay, demanded the yeas
and nays the effect Of the decision being 30 the whole
Subject on the table, and exclude both delegations
Mr. BENJAMIN RAE Mozart HaiD demanded the right
70 DC heard whether delegate or not he called upon
the convention to abide by its own vote and the decision
| Of the Chair.
Cries of ''You're out Of order; turn him out"
Mr.. RAy-I defy any person TO turn me out.
Mr. SPGGs moved to lay the call for the previous quee
ton on the table, and called for the yeas and nays the
motion,
A DEIKGArK-whch hand does tho gentleman from
| Oneida hold the olive branch n2
Mr.. srwoGs-ln both hands. hold out the SOLVE
branch" here and elsewhere. and will draw tho
sword without 1t. (Iud cheers.) Iwouid ask the
jory who seem 80 eager 70 endorse all the acts Of the
republican administration, If they reject the SOLVE
\ branchS' Cloud cheers)
After another lengthy and heated discussion, Mr..
KEENAN, of Oneida spoke warmly in favor Of coming to
direct vote on this question, appealing TO delegates
cease this strife and TO badly and directly,
according TO their conscencious belief the merits Of
the question. His remarks loudly applauded.
The Convention then ordered the main question: and
the vote was taken the substitute offered yesterday,
admitting both the delegations from New York, and it
\ was lost by ayes So, nays 100
The original report Of the Committee admitting Tam
many was then adopted without calling for tho yeas and
nays.
On the announcement Of the result Mr. GENET of New
York on the part of the Mozart Hall delegation and
@ co po.es. usns. .he re,ectlon OF Inc representa-
tves OF thrtythree thousand democratic voters Of the
city of New York.
The Mozart Hall delegation then withdrew from the
Convention.
Recess till two O'Clock
AFTERNOON SESSION.
The Convention reassembcd at two O'Clock
In the absence of the Committee Resolutions Darius
D. Ogden addressed the Convention in appeal
TO the democracy to rally now, they have done around
the Stars and Stripes in support of the Union He held
that secession rebellion and treason Of the highest
grade We must overcome this rebellion by all the power
that God has given US, as loyal men, We must put it
down by peace If we can but il cannot, to
submit to rebellion No If We find no olive
branch we must proceed to put down treason
and rebellion, and water tine earth with blood until
the tree springs forth on which shall grow the olive
branch. tremendous applause) The rebellion be
put the government under which we have lived
for eighty years will be put down. in his Judgment
must have more lighting before the great
boon of peace. cloud cheers) He would have this
! South all her constitutional rights. Qmmense applause
We offer no better ground Of peace to tho secession
lists than the constitution and If properly enforce that
instrument it is all they have right 70 ask. Cloud
cheers)
! PLATFORM.
Hon s. f. Church, from the Committee on Resolutions
reported the resolutions as follows:-
Resolved That in this crisis watchword which should
pass through the democratic ranks calling them together
consolidating them III erect and determined
fence of impered country is the
jackson, that The Union must and shall preserved"
Resolved That the claim of State number
Of right TO renqush ut will their obligations
glance to the Union has warrant in the constituons
and the preservation public and the
enforcement Of the treaties and whenever this pretenson
has been advanced by secessonss North South, Il
been resisted and defeated by the democracy, who
maintained, they still do that secession revolution
Resolved That the seizure Of the forts and property be-
rzation of prvaeers against the the loyal
States precptaed the country into state Of that IL IL
the duty of the the thus forced
upon with all It's power and and that ia the
duty of the people 10 rally with and the
port of the government, until the struggle is ended by the
triumph of the and laws the
| the Union.
Resolved, That hold in guilt the faction which
has risen In against the country the politicians of the
North who for have organized and sustained system
of agitation tending and intending to ALLEVIATE the different
sections of the country and TO stir between them %
pressble conflict" based upon their domestic institutions
which IL declared could only terminate in the universal
| predompance of section or the other.
Resolved That the nfatuaton Of the
tcians the threatening proportions which this
vi war has assumed and the ctastrophes that have at
tended IT, In the language Of Of their
| sadp nd