New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1861-03-12
ani.ed states sennte-Exsrn Session.

a,s .ont;on for the expul,on OF Senator Wigsll,
cad CliDgmsn's substitute. lSee FIlday otha'o IT,
Mr. FOSTER said that he had very few words to
utter both as to the resolution and substitute, ana
therefore would ener into any lengthy discussion
Il was proper he should state that he offered me pso
itop on his own responsibility and without consult
iug with any political friends He had presented IT
5 fipped of All cons deraious fer It possible
to do So that il might acted on upon Is naked ner-
its. A seat III this Chamber was held ON 1omda,
ton higher than party grounds ana hence he trusted
that the Senate would rise above al such consid'
eraiions The Constitution provides Tor the quaya-
ton and the OF election OF n na,ors ana nc
read rom that instrument the words upon this subject.
Il w not the ground that the Senator from IeNes
was foreign born that he was hible 10 objection. IL
was 10 he supposed that be native born, and that
be was duly elected member OF this body ard ~ say
g that he was foreigner, ii was not 10 he supposed
e meant lie was born out of the jurisdiction OF this
rOuutry It. however, seemed 10 him Foster that TIE
Senate owed to itself not 10 allow seat here 10 one
WHO svowed be foreigner and owed allegiance
20 The untry TO which he belonged, bat TO foreign
Government and if that Government happens 70 take
Mp arms against this Government, seizes lts property
sd expts from its territory the troops OF the Cn!ted
States by force 1t became "a very serious question.
Was II consistent to allow so circumstance longer
% hold seat here. He repeated lie had no personal
feeling ON the subject He could say with great pro-
preiy 80 his personal relations with The Seaor
FROM Texas were concerned, they were entirely aud
aud friendly. TIE substitute of tie Senator iom North
Carolina assumes that Texas has right to secede and
1 was logical conclusion that in such event that he
sd no rirRt to seats here In this he differed from the
Senator lie did moi believe any State has the night or
ower ander the Constitution 10 secede or take Itself
)at of the Union of the States which 90 to make
az those Of America He differed widely and radically
from such theories IL altogether m0nstrOus tbat
his Government one of power and authority, could
be dissolved. Argument, thepfore, was unnecessary
with those who held 90 a different opinion Two inen
might well undertake 10 reason IN iortgn hngusSe
which one understood and the other did not That no
!uCh thing as Secession was known 70 the Consil-
tuition was too plain to argue OF admit q donbt
after brief argument, this point be said, whether
Texas has seeded be was not Informed He meant by
vote Of the people or body representing them
ite should bold that the Senator was enilled III ls
sea. Tor Ill that, on sound constitutional gr0unds
(oud that State, by Withdrawing from the Union,
withdraw him from this body? No He il entltledto
ais sa Accord Y to tho forms of the Constitution and
e Authority his State, and the State has no power
legally or constituiOnay to withdraw him from ttoS
bOdS du~iug the term for which be was elected. tie
did not thiSk the substitute met the question: lie did
nCt know what right the Senator Chngnanl had 70
cay that Texas has seeded from the Conieds!aey q
ne States and 10 longer belongs to the United ialef
bat even If there were official notice II wold pea
nullity. If State has Withdrawn and given tie Seu-
-te even official notice, what right hid they 20 say
INST SIZE should be no longer eatited TO representation
lhey we're clothed vii no such authority.
Mr.. CIlNGMAN tDem n. c. thought thst the
Senator had made good argument against his own
sesOlatiOn If they were 10 credit the newspapers,
Texas bas caleb a Convention, aud psnsed the ordi-
lied by large vote Of her people. That Is the opinion
Of the senator fTom Iexas. Ii that be true, ara the
net valid Texas is no longer one of the States. He
took Ter granted If leXas has seeded she II rot en-
sit!ed 70 Representa- ives here. The Senator from Com
40, lieut. says that the act Is invalid, then the Senator
Texas is entitled TO his seat unless bc said that
an eTTcneaus opinion disquales him. The opinion 81
Nt Sepa or from Texas Is mat bis State has seeced
The Senator from COnneCticu. Gays no. Wa It ever
maintained because one Senator differed from another
on a constitutional queslion, that that Wa reason
Tor expeImg hin. Ii might be suppo5e9 that
the Senate could eXBel u man who t11ught
and argued that the moon made OF green cheese
,lsughtsrl and that such q should be driven out
but would any gentleman cay he orght 70 he nlven
Fifteen senators have gone ont, oeneNsg .heIr
S.tes have a right 10 seeede. The mother OF states
aud statesmen, Virginia. mas always maintained that
oujhion If il Is an for the Senator from Texas
- believe his State has night 10 seeefe WHY not
.xpel the Virginia Senators, and especially why not
sxpel those gentlemen who declared it, and have gone
SWAY. Why is il that their names are still called.
They have gone away showing au ut'ef dbdeyAi IOr
,eonilaEy opinions. But the Senator gays Texas b9s
fsken Possession of some Of the public property IL
that good reason: Ii 50, 1t agghes WIN more force
10 oti(r states than Texas. Why cid the Senator
from Connecticut allow the name OF Jeters0n DAVIS
20 be called, and not move 10 eSpel nun jNoS GiiS
.1os aud forts TO be teized and was AT the head 81
foreign Republics bat no motion, war made 70 eXgei
liza The Senator said ne deemed 1t his duty 70 naAe
y motion 10 expcl Mr. Wigfall Senstor after Senator
n III made similar avo wai and even advised their ci-
,t TO tLe possesson Of the defensive works Of the
Tinted States Senator ToOmbs declared that b. gave
s1rh advice. Why, then, single out the Senator from
Texas. His friend, Mr.. Wigfall, lad said his State
hss seeded, and with great trank1fss added that
ale efOre he regarded himself foreigner. But ths
DID not afford Sufficient ground for his txVulson. lie
had pursued the policy OF other retiring Senator by
ulaining here. aid was awaiting Official information
Mr.. CLARK Rep, N H.)-ie says lie IL a for
shmer. 80.
Sir. CIINGAIAN, TesUuing-Is friend said If they
raOugbt proper TO admit bim and regard him as Sea-
spr he DID not hins proper 20 withJ1S uith he was
officially Do;ilied that Texas has seeeded lie course
,potoesd by the Senator from Connecticut not the
rfoper one. All they cOnld do was 10 say that the
senator iron Texas il mis AIKEN on constitutional ana
klal point. If Texas hos not seceed ne Is entitled 70
hs seat here nOtwi htanding the opinion ne expresses
Afr MASON remarked that the re solution clear
~ lor the expulsion OF the Senator from Texas for
hat he bad sid this door. The Constitution ena-
bls the Senate 70 protect itself and gives power 20
eXIel member, provided Lat tW0thirds vote for the
resolution. But The expulsion OF Sensier s punaive
an character, and the intention OF the senator from
Lvmecicui n 10 punish the Se1ator from 1eNas for
hat ne sad ia debate The senator from Connec,cu'
Ncd wits The Senator from Texas had avOwed was In
uoCsislsGt with the holding seat OF tbs floor. The
s"nsS(T had declared that he foreigner and noa
citizen Of the United States but owed alegauce
iysoiSn government. If the Senator frou Connecticut
F'@bet The Senator from Texas ought not 20 occupy
sal iefs because be IA not cizen OF the Uut, II
>ass ne ought to 10 refer Lhe subject 10 q
thqsr 20 .hat the facts warrant the scat will be-
uevssrd vacant. III
Nj. tOsTER, interpreting, asked whether. after the
shseF nom Texas hsd been duly elected by his sste
7Nd ivinn'ed ~ member here thew conld inuulre
iat9 The legality by which he holds r. ,eat. new
Soa iIing which old not exist at that iinls n.
Ar, MASON Dem, VAL was ysry certain IL a
NuaioT was not entitled 70 his il could be vacated
wherein facts TO warrant snch course should be d..
,sertd. II it BE- punishable oAeIse t. alleQ,, con
sfitulOnsi ruth, then The IegOiGti0n NAV he ,al