Indiana State sentinel. (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1861-1865, 1861-04-03
FIom 'Lfe in the World.'' By Miss Frederika Bremen
Miss Rremer,s visit tn POpe pins.

FIom ''Life in the World" By Miss Frederika Bremen
Miss Bremer's visit to Pope Plus.
1 saw at the further end of an oblong, light and
very simple furnished room a man of stout but
handsome figure, standing at a writing table,
dressed in long white garment, with scarlet
lapes and cap. / made one low courtesy at the
door, another in the middle of the room, in -obe-
dience to the Pope's sign to me to advance, and
yet a third as 1 approached him and took my
stand on the same little carpet with him, which
did in accordance with his friendly indication of
his will. (For such persons as do not kneel to the
Pope, are required by the ceremonial to make
three courtesies or bows.)
The portraits of the Pope are in general like
him, but his full, short and broad countenance
has, when seen more nearly, less expression of
kindness, and considerable more of self-will and
temper than the portraits exhibit. The glance of
the blue eye is lively, but not profound, and is
deficient in earnestness. The complexion and
physique generally indicate the best of health,
good appetite-and good cook
The Pope cast his eye on written paper which
he held in his hand, and having inquired about
my country and place of residence, added, "You
have written somewhat"
Myself-Yes, your Holiness; novels of domes-
tic lfe-more properly descriptions of life, but in
the form of novels
The Pope-But you are Catholic?
Mysef-No, your Holiness-not Roman
Catholic.
The Pope-Then you must become one. There
is no completeness or consequence out of the
Catholic Church.
Myself-Permit me, your Holiness, to ask a
question?
The Pope-Yes; ask it.
Myself love, with my whole heart, our Lord
and Master, Jesus Christ. | believe in his divin-
ity; in his redeeming efficacy for me and the
whole world; i will alone obey and serve Him.
Will your Holiness not acknowledge me as a
Christian2 =
The Pope-For Christian? Most certainly
Myself-And as member of the Church of
Christ?
The Pope-Yes, in a certain sense; but-but
then people must acknowledge as true everything
which the Church says and enjoins. You ought
not in the mean time to believe that the Pope
sends to hell all who do not acknowledge the in
fallibility of the Catholic Church. No, believe
! that many persons of other creeds may be saved
| by living according to the truth which they ac-
knowledge. believe so, most certainly.
Myself-It delights me infinitely to hear this
| from your Holiness. Because have cherished
the hope of finding in your Holiness a more
righteous judge, as regards these questions, than
in many other Catholics, who say: "You are not
a Christian; you can not be saved if you do not,
W
The Pope-In this they wrong. But you
see, my daughter, people should be able to give
an account of their Christian belief; not believe
alone in generals but believe in the separate parts
of a docrine. 1t is already something to believe e
in the second person of the Godhead, and in His
incarnation but it is necessary also to believe in
the institutions in which He founded on earth,
otherwise there can be in reality no faith in Him.
And people must believe in the Pope. The Pope
is Christ's representative on earth. In Sweden,
the people do not believe Christ and his
Church the EXTREMIST intolerance exists toward
those who think differently to themselves. The
king there has twice endeavored to introduce re-
ligious freedom, but they would not have it.
Myself know it, your Holiness; but Sweden
in former times has suffered from Catholics in the
country, and old laws still remain unrepealed in
consequence. But it will not be so long, hope
Ny countrymen will learn to have confidence in
the power of truth and of Christianity.
The Pope-Your reigning Queen is a Cath
olic
Myself-Yes, your Holiness, and the noblest OF
women, an example to her sex, an ornament to
the throne.
The Pope-Ar Christian princes and people
ought to believe on the Pope and obey him
Their not doing so arises from pure pride and
worldly mind Hence State churches have arisen
: The Emperor of Russia will not acknowledge
the Pope, because he wishes to be Pope himself
Queen Victoria will not acknowledge the Pope
because she herself will be Popess, and so il is
} in every country where there is State church
; Belief in the Pope as the head Of the Christian
church, is the only rational and consequent thing
il is that alone which leads 20 unity and clear
ness. The church is an organization; a repre-
; sentative monarchy with its supreme head-s
spiritual State II in a State, people will no
obey the supreme head, then there can be neithe
+, cleaness nor order-everything becomes confu
: sion.
Myself-We believe in Jesus Christ. and ac
= knowledge Him alone as the head of the Christian
D Church.
: The Pope-But Jesus Christ is in Heavan, ant
!, must have representive on earth; and this h
appointed in the first instance, in the person o
the Apostle Peter, by the words-you understand
! Latinf
e Myself-Procissimo your Holiness. l hav
y began to learn it lately.
= !, The Pope-very good; then you will under
: stand the words, "T'u es Petrus, ct super han
pefram edifcabo ecelesidnt mean, et porte intern
: no pr9U0labunf adUersus cam. Et tibi dabo clare
: ceIorum." This dignity and this power descende
! from Peter to every Pope who has succeeded him
: from the very earliest period of the church. dow
= to the unworthy individual who now stands betor
: you This is the belief and the doctrine of tn
: church.
!. Myself-We in our Jhurch explain these word
% of our Savior different y. We consider that b
Z Peter He intended the Roch man. and that tn
(, acknowledgement that Peter made, "Thou al
/, Christ, the son of the living Godl' was the roc
,el upon which Christ would build His church. agan'
% which the gates of He'll should not prevail. W
e believe that Christ left the keys to all his ApO
4 ties, as well as to Peter, with power to bind an
release, and that every earnest Christian, whethe
le it be the Pope in Rome, or a poor fisherman o
he our coasts, has part in this church Of the Roc
l. and its privileges.
he The Pope-But you have not either confession G
he absoution; you do not believe in the mass,
a the seven sacraments, nor upon those things
n. ordinances which the church of Christ appoint
rs He who believes in one must believe in al
'e There is but one God in Heaven, and but on
IN church on earth, in which he lives, by his repr,
ns sentative, and by regulations which he has al
pointed This you must understand, and, in o