Semi-weekly standard. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1853-18??, 1861-05-25

would be better effected by conducting the discus
sion with closed doors. -
Mr.. Reid differed from the gentleman in regard to
the propriety of q secret session. There was per-
feet unanimty on the subject of secession-the only
difference of opinion was in regard to the mode OF
expressing it On the motion, he demanded the yeas
and nays.
The President said there rule adopted by
which the yeas and nays could be demanded-he
could only order them upon motion for that pur-
pose made and adopted. ... -
Mr.. Osborne thought there was no necessity for
going into secret session, and asked the mover to
withdraw the motion. -...---....-.
Mr.. Leake, of Richmond, hoped there would be
no dissension on the mere form of the ordinance
he believed there would be So far as he could
discover the two sets of resolutions offered, exhibit
ed the difference between tweedledum and tweedle-
dee. He was willing to embrace either. He would
prefer an ordinance however, that provided for 60
ing into the Southern Conederacy at the same time
that it provided for going out of the old Union.
Mr. Barnes, in answer to the suggestion OF Mr..
Osborne said he must act from his own convictions
of duty He thought there would certainly be con-
siderable debate on the resolutions and amendments,
and it would be better that this debate should be
conducted with closed doors. He insisted on his
motion.
The motion for the yeas and nays was then put
and decided in the negative
The question was then on Mr. Barnes motion.
Mr. Barnes demanded IelleTS, anu the OnalT dp-
pointed Messrs. Barnes and Meares, who reported
ayes 81, nays So so the motion for secret session
did not prevail
Mr. Osborne wished to know what was the posi-
ton of business before the Convention-he under
stood the amendment of Mr.. Dick to Mr. Badgers
resolutions to be the first question under consldera
ton, and asked Mr.. Dick to withdraw his amend
ment and bring it up III the form of distinct propo-
sition.
Mr.. Dick said he would consent to do so with the
understanding that he would have an opportunity
of taking vote thereon at an early day so the
amendment was withdrawn.
The question was then on Mr.. Craiges substitute,
which is as follows:
AN ORDINANCE,
To dtssolre the Union 6et,oeen the State Of North
Carolina and the other States united with her un
der the compact of the Government, entitled the
Constitution of the United States.
We the people of the State of North Carolina, in
Convention assembled do declare and ordain, and it
is hereby declared and ordained that the ordinance
adopted by the State of North Carolina in the Con-
vention of 1889, whereby the Constitution of the
United States was ratified and adopted, and also all
acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly rat
flying and adopting amendments to the said Consti
tuition are hereby repealed, rescnded and abrogated
We do further declare and ordain, that the Union
now subSisting between the State of North Carolina
and the other States under the title of the United
State Of thCarolna is in full possession and
ercse of all those rights of sovereignty which belong
and appertan to a free and Independent State
Mr. Biggs said that question of such importance
ought not to be decided by simple ayes and noes ;
he supposed every member wished to have his vote
on it recorded on the journals.
Mr. Graham said that the Convention might adopt
the rules of the House of Commons, by which call
for the yeas and nays may be ordered, and made a
motion to that effect.
Mr.. Biggs hoped the gentleman would except in
his notion that rule which required any bill to be
read three several times on different days. The
suggestion was adopted by Mr.. G.
Mr.. Reid thought the adoption of the rules of the
House Of Commons would produce embarrassment
in the action Of the Convention, because OF their in
applicability in many respects to the business that
might come up for consideration. He thought the
whole difficulty might be obviated by taking the
yeas and nays by unanimous consent
Mr. Satterthwaite agreed with the gentleman from
Rockingham, and moved that the yeas and nays on
the substitute be taken by general consent.
The suggestion was adopted and all pending mo-
tons on the subject informally passed over.
The yeas and nays were then ordered on Mr.
Craiges substitute
Mr.. Badger took the floor and spoke in defence of
his resolutions at some length We may give a
synopsis of his remarks hereafter
Mr. Cra;ge replied in favor of his substitute. He
Of secession should be passed now and that the rea-
sons therefor might be given hereafter 1t was for
this reason he offered the substitute because Mr..
BIS resolutions, while they set forth many and
strong grounds did not embrace all the reasons for
the separation; and especially it seemed to estimate
that no cause for the separation existed prior to
Lincoln's proclamation of the 10th of April while
there were many members Of the Convention who
believed that causes for secession existed prior to
that time. Therefore, while many might dissent
from the views in the preamble of Mr.. b. resolu-
tons, all could concur in the simple declaration of
secession contained in the substitute
Mr. Ruthn said that there might exist difficulties
in the minds Of members in voting on either set of
resolutions. He thought the reasons for the sepa-
ration ought to be set forth in the ordinance but
was not prepared to accept those in the preamble of
Mr.. B. without some amendment. There were many
and strong reasons for the contemplated action of the
people in severng their connection with the United
States government that were not set forth in that
preamble; he would therefore move to lay both the
resolution and the substitute on the table, for the
purpose of introducing resolution to simply declare
the State of North Carolina out of the cid Federal
Union, and for the appointment of a committee of
ten to draw up and present to the Convention for
NAL declaration of secession setting forth the
for the separation.
The question was put on Mr.. Ruffins motion and
did not prevail, yeas A, nays 40.
Mr.. Rayner thought the difference of views on the
form of the declaration might be reconced by blend
ing the two into one series, and so amending the
preamble as to remove all difficulty from the mind
of every one.
Mr.. Ruffn explained that he had not offered his
motion because he was opposed to either the reson
tons of Mr.. Badger the substitute of Mr.. Craige
he would vote for either-but he oferedit simply tC
harmonic sentiment and bring about action on the
subject.
Mr.. Biggs said he had no doubt that there would
oe perfect unanimity in adopting ordinance of Sc
cesson, whether the original resolution or the sub
sttute be the form selected in which to give it ex-
preston.
Mr.. Ferebee asked for a division of the question
The question was put on striking out, and result
ed in the affirmative, yeas 70, nays &c.
The question was then on the adoption of Mr.
Crage's substitute.
The substitute was then read