The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1861-01-16

Ileynan say that fe Lemon from any claim
down there Temporarily, and the South docs claim the
right OF protectinD for the slave while that properly ~
tranfitu The Lemon case therefore, involved NO 0'ns'
Mr. srAn1os-Ine right Of sransta e. ne r'gHs
Of the master to 60 and come not ~ =" ase.ua M
SSm,cis himself ''n 4 the slaVehodsr has ri HI 60
into the fee States and has the CONSTITUENCIES rgnt 70
iske his slave with him. he takes with MIN all the rights
tf master Now upon soint let ls understand one
another clearly When yoa 60 into free State not regu
aztec by the laws of State where you come fronfor
tev deny The right OF TO exercise control over
the aye-you claim 70 carry with you into free state
the right 10 exercise dominion anu consfo over ne sase
his slaves and the slaves become rebelons, has he
not right, according TO his constitutional claim TO
10 obedience, and TO nct reasonable correction? Is not
that soS yey well; by what Ugh, is that law 10 be re-
gared but by the law of the State from whence he clme
Now suppose brings slave into free state, and
controversy arises between them, the slave refusing
obedience to the master the latter undertakes inaic
chastsement upon him and ne is resisted In that case
the slave may be killed. and the master is forthwith IN
dicted for murder On trial II IS claimed that the master
exercising his constitutional right in nhcting reason
able and the courts the states must
gnse the OF The slave State in defining and pun
Hhilg the crime. Again. you take slaves into Tree
State claim you take them there emore, and the
slave be Of your property Now, Southern
planter having purchased goods m New YORK goes tnere
and takes his with him. The master gets into debt
u the merchant who dies his aifdavits, ami has writ
issued and gets attachment and arrests the slave be-
property and sGbcts him 10 sale for the satisfaction
oil the masters debt Again suppose slave owner goes
into free state and contracts debts and dies there be-
fore they are paid three -four slaves behind
him. His creditors take out the letters Of administra
ton, and can seize upon the slaves as property,
and can sell them in satisfaction OF the debt;
want TO know how much you will fll short Of making
this grand consolidated saveholdng ccnfederacyY
There essential difference between the two organize
ons indeed because claims all these rights for the
savehcldeIs and the others resist thern as unconsu
sas that unless the Republican s
set and recognizes these constitutional demands civil
war must come, and the government must be over
thrown do not choose to go into discussion as 70 wha
is likely TO result from the difference between the
two sections, or what might be the result
in case OF personal conflict This I hope
win be avoided But there are some things which gen
tlemen should understand. If they desire peaceable
separation the confederacy and the organization of
Southern confedcracy, they ought to know that it
not be accomplished in the mode they are adopting.
grant you fairly and frankly that do not believe that
this government can be held together by military force.
do not believe that section will subject
the other, and hold II as conquered province. have
idea Of such thing for against tho genius Of
the country and Of the age to attempt IT, Iregard civil
war means to settle the question: the very worst
that could be adopted for a. this stage ~ y would
the organization Of two separate confcderacies Not
one let alone eight States could be held
conquered province and any who suppose this could be
done greatly mistaken. But gentlemen must at
once in the way secession s going on, that civil war
Union by force and violence If we have government
at all so long II remains operative its laws must be
executed What is the government Is there any such
government earth as To allow her rights 10 be insult
cd and her laws dsregardcdY sWhy Sir, when you
put Boston Court House chains and called on the army
and navy to asss in carrying out the law with reference
TO fugitive slave, that not considered coercion.
Mr. Bocock, opp Of Va, said that when Boston Court
insure the Of Anthony BURNS Massachusetts
bad indicated her sovereignty there would have been
Mr. srASTos-Have the States Of Georgia and Louisiana,
that have seized the forts and forresses Of the general
government made war upon the United states even be-
fore they had seeded from the confederacy?
Me- CRAWFORD said, that far Georgia wac
cerned had taken the forts because they at first
intended for her practical defence and accept all the
responsibility attaching to the State Of Georgia for that
Mr. srANroS-so understand then that Georgia akos
even u pretext for the act.
The 81 he State q s as he nn
seized any portion OF the public property of the United
States Some bands Of soldiers in Georgia. not acting un
der the authority Of the State he believed had done
and he discaimed the act the part Of Georgia and it's
state government (Cries Of "Good, good.,)
widely the poles in reference to the action which Geor
ga would to morrow adopt AS TO the seizure Of forts
Pulaski and Jackson, u was justified by the people by
vote Of forty thousand majority
Mr. Hun said II not his intention to join issue In
speculative opinion with his colleague but II yet to
be whether the people of Georgia would approve the
act. But be maintained that The seizure OF the forts
not authorized by any act Of the Legislature OF Georgia
Whatever might hereafter he knew not but he
always In favor of peaceful solution Of the
difficulties which threatened The country. lie must
coness however, he did not see any prospect of it,.
He would saw once for sI for himself that he looked
upon the opening OF the debate MS tending to excite
passions rather than TO lead 10 rorbcarnce and concs-
| ton.
Mr. LOVE-, (opp) OF Ga, as Of the representatives.
Of Georgia. took exceptions TO the arguments or both
his colleague who both rcng The forts NJ the
mouth Of me Savannah river seized for the pur.
rose OF self defence As the state had called its Con-
yention together, the Convention determined
sccede the Governor would order thor1 be returned
| TO the Executive Of the country
| Mr. HAwENaS, opp Of Ga, said that there
use 10 Disgusting the fact, that the country in the
crisis OF great revolrtion that revolution was,
fact, going on, and that federal troops and guns
fact The Executive OF Georgia, 10 protect itself, took
possession Of the forts in advance The people OF Georgia
would endorse the action the State II the state
coded he for determined 10 sustain its action in
Mr. we see that the forts and or,rcsscs of
the general government have been seized the
loyalty Of the people TO the Union depended for
their safe keeping II we reinforce them gentlemen pro-
they at taken forcibe possession Of. tell
gentlemen that this secession rebellion, and that the
property OF the United States be surrendered let
the consequences be what they may. am not unwilling
70 do something 70 tho deuson which pervades
the mind Of tho Southern people The very groundwork
OF this rebellion utter misrepresentation and total
misconcepon OF the object and purposes Of tho repub
can organization In the incoming administration hold
myself bound as patriot, the face Of this hos
tile demonstration, 10 do whatever may this
deusion and correct this misapprehensIon. II gentle
win hero with spirit and disposition TO be
administration, viii say what u will do When this
republican administration goes into power the govern
Of Madison, Monroe jefferson, jackson, Harrison, and
perhaps, Polk. undertake 10 ssy that, In the face of
this look upon this secession movement as the most
groundless and most unjustablc opposition constu
tona authority that the history Of the world furnishes
example Of do not believe that the people disloya
do not believe that the great Of the people Of the
South disloya believe that they labor under
misapprehension Garrison, and other like him are
now goatHg over the ruin they have contributed 50
largely TO bring about With such united heart
and hand the Charleston, who seeking
throw the and 10 drench the country blood
Mr. Stanton then referred 10 the compromise Of 1850 and
argued that Congress had ID the OF
the Territorial Legislature The people Of the free States had
acquesced in these compromises for the sake OF peace
but the South would not permit the compromises OF the
fathers Of the republic TO remain. They wanted the
power 10 establish slavery Ia all the Territories OF the
conIederacy was the deliberately avowcd principle,
that Congress should not have the power interfere for
me exclusion prohibition Of slavery from the Terrific
rice. The doctrine distinctly made by the democratic
party South in 1884 aud adhered TO 90 the present.
that the South had right 10 take slaves into all the
Territories and that Congress hal power prohibit
That all the Territories must be slave Territories and
that this right guaranteed by the constitution and