New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1861-01-14
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pit whether would No. be wise 70 allow deh6te oeo
the bin now.
N luit debate When the fret Appropriation bill OF
the session was called ON proposed that IL shoud DC
debated a. length but majority OF the House, com,
posed OF both sides decided that 1t shoui be speal
ORDER There disposition on his part 10 CUT OH
debate at any time and If the House desired TO debate
the b they could do so; but, es sad before, ma
iority Of both sides decided that IL was better TO post
pone general debate the condition OF the country
TO another ne, or when the ConmVee OF lnilIy
three had brought up their report, OF when me r9rce
BILL az il was called, up for oonhideratioi ihe-e
appropNstion bills contain bonew itenthey were the
mere appropriations which would be necessary II no
State lad seceded, if there was no disturbance or
difficulty whatever in the country Therefore II APP
pears 10 me that all this is foctiops oppo1tion To he
rules of the House. again repeat that, after these
Army and Navy bills are passed the gentlemen nom
Virginia lNr. Garnett and his pouca friends can ,l-
dulSe in the widest latitude Of debate. Indeed If the
House should t to allow debate upont he next APP
prorriaton bill--thc Army bill-wlich would come up
ON Monday, he would have no objection TO ofor nor
will move 10 make IL special order unless ,lTee
majority desires it. Under these circuns tdnces nope
The gentleman will withdraw his opposition 10 tnc bill
Mr.. GARNETT--Iftheg gentleman from Ohio pledges
himfelf Oh behef of his paIty-and know he can do
sc-tlat debate will be allowed on the Army pil on
Monday next will Withdraw my present ,GpPositiSn'
SEVERAL REPUBLICAN hENbhRs-"No'
no. =, -,
Mr.. SHERMAN cannot do that, but promise
u
General debate can be had, Will make no objection 10
an fair latitude OF discussion Gentlemen on the other
tide will frd TINT we on ths de vii, meet all questions
fairly and frankly We know our duty and intend %
perform IT, Whether in debate here Or lsewhere, we
shall perform the duty imposed upon us by The people
of the United States. There il ample time before us
for debating al the important questions now before me
country and gentlemen will have every opportunity OF
expressing their political opinions At all events they
should eS perience no hndrance az his haDds nave
no disposition TO prevent debate on this or any other
| issue which may be presented by our sworn on'yl
whether here or elsewhere. Let these bills pass and
they would have debate to their heart content
| Mr.. HINDMaN-I have no favors 20 ask, either IN
The shape OF debate any other shape here orto nec
| the gent leman own phmse-elewhere.
Mr.. SHERNAN-Oh, very well; there IL no need OF
undue excitement abost the matter.
Mr.. HINDMAN did not feel in the slightest degree
excited nor was il in the gentleman power 10 create
any excitement on his mind. Laughter.
Mr.. GARNETI-It was not the ordinary course 10
prevent debate on the appropriation hills. Now he
would subui 10 the gentleman from Ono that, snp-
posing that be ,lr. sherman) thought that the Army
and Navy were 70 be used for unconstitutional par
pose would il moi be fair motive to refuse the appro-
pia,ion Did not he (Mr shermanl himself Xix year,
| aQo do the same thing, when be thought that the
troops sent To Kansas 10 be nnconsitnIionay EN-
poydl And If il was proper for him then, IL not
equally proper for them now
Mr.. SHERMAN was glad that this mo ter had been
referred TO- If be supposed that the Army WA 20 DC
used for an unconstitutional purpose he would oppose
any appropriations for it, and be mad formerly done
But al the time he would observe all the rules OF
order which ought to govern the action Of members on
that hoor He had the occasion referred ~ refused
to vote supplies for the Army, because he then believed
that woulc be empoy ei in an uuconetiut )nal way
Mr. SICKLES Opp, N Y said-Ii Is entirely just
and Confor 1atle % precedent in all our parliamentary
history that debate should be allowed upon the great
questions Of The day. The House is considering an
ap reputation bil and debate should be allowed upon
it. In this concur with the gentleman from Virginia
(Mr. Garnett bat dissent from his declaration tha.
the President is usiDg means 70 use the Army and
Navy for an unconstitutional purpose. The President
has soeuuly declared 10 the world that he does not
possess the power 10 coerce State and that Congress
las 10 such power Insist he has done act incon-
ssent with these declarations. Norris II night u as-
sumo that lie will The measures taken and 10 DO
taken preserve and defend the forts and rsena
only in the performance OF duty imposed upon the
Executive by the Constitution and the laws. II is
much the duty Of the President TO defend Fort sumter
against all tesJassers as wonld be employ all tho
resources bis command 20 defend this Capitol where
we are debersug assiduously and earnestly 10 ADJUST
the unhappy differences between the North ana the
South.
| Mr.. STANTON rep, of Ohio always claimed that
the minority ehculd have opportunity 10 debate IL
gentlemen say, after reasonable time Is allowed FOR
that purpose there shall be faeous opposition, he
| would have no objection.
| Mr.. SHERMAN slid he wss willing after consnl,a.
ton with lis friends 10 say Tor himself that he would
| not submit motion TO make the Army bill special
order until after tnIee days debate and by running
into night SESSIONS every gentleman would have On OPP
| portunity TO express his views. :,
This arrangement or understanding seemed generally
satisfactory.
The Navy Appropriation ill was then passed
Adjourned.