New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1861-09-16

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down To- the floor Of the House. and nineles In debate
sdvocning the measures, and by virtue of the recu
a notd ne mas on that body Of through whatevsr
apriancesit may have been brought into exercise be
carries The measure the veto Of the Govern,r
| In England, aud l refer TO Enpli.h iegi.,..
ton as model always so far as the parirs
| of that legislation Ia c0peerued IN ENGLAND
| the veto power has been used but three times Ia
more than two centuries. It exiss there as 1t doss
| here. 10 this Government Presidents have lived
through their four years of Office without vetoinu
siUgs measure, and down 10 late period veoes wsxu
uncommon. challenge the historian TO show q single
veto OF measure of any character which was NOT ln
upon poce grounds. But is there any politics befei
Nearly half the corporators are Democrats aud the
rest Republicans. IL voted for alike by both
parties, rs you shown last night. No politics
here. In Gen. JaeksCns time the attempt was IusSs
20 pass bin bis Veto because, they said, Cen.
Jackson represents class Of political opinions, and
we represent another class of pOlt al opinions, aad
we labor that party and political principles may
prevail and the 6ill in question represents great
political principle AID great financial question. WY
did the member from Oswego take the pains to come
down out Of his chair aud advocate the
passage of measured that were inainly
fnancial-q uestioas of franchises worth money!
Was any political principle involved Any
State or party politics at stakei Yes we ton
there was Mr. Lt,lejobu, in bis speech. in which es
newspaper.-7Rc Post, TIE Timss, H,,ald, and
TRIBUNE, &c.--tells you what it was. He says be
vas "9;pposed to selling franchises" Why 81 Do
wRo Guild ,hs eel 1G fan Ss sss
go in for the ltboing classes" For the toslna
poor is his well sounding phrase "They who live
Of that city for FIVE cents and II cell the fran
ehises, they will raise the fare" Why, Mr.. Little.
john, your bill provides that it shah not be above
live cents. Yoa kuow-it is bistory-that these
railroad corporations are the most lucrative thna
| the world ever saw. 1t is history. You 60 in
for the "toilng poor"f Why didn't you jsa
take hold and cat that fare down 20 three cent? ]
| Nay why did you oppose that measure when Il wa
nv oil ms ia III ha
offered to forward and pledge ttemselyes-piye
security to build tbs roads aud them ia the bezt
manner, for three cents q passenger This was web
| known. IL was stated in tine House and oyff
again, in the hearing of Dir. Lileohn and pu llishsd
in the New-York papers again aud again. The yen,
tlemen who came forward and offered bali million fer
one road 1859. still ready, cash In hand. h
1860 over two millions could have been obtained. TIE
wealbiest in the city offered this, money down,
for these franchises with pledges OF every kind tss
cold hhye secured the community against abuse. Why
didn't You 90 in for that II not that then somefh
| of this kind Yon might have done IL. Don't skdH
from the issue by debating with the Governor whetss
the grants are In perpetuity. Answer this You
We shall hear what bis counsel will say to 1t Weh
gentlemen if you find any motive for Mr. Lilo
Johns conduct on that occasion that can help your case
you will find IT, Let the counsel on the other si1s find
II If they can. Bot he did give one more reasoe for II
The Governor in his veto message speaks OF rendering
these valuable franchises source Of income tothe ey
He says: .
Again, the bills which con'ained to interpcso ~
objection. Ian.s fPowefin Porpotgy Ordinary Prcds.c
useful to day. under the changing circumstances Of aunr
t5ss hat ss ss 10
The e.,sTcS q S T s
geni Of our oSeroment requires that privilege gsaed cape
ssy .ho;s Of pscany value or affecting the public ooe.ss
and amendsnt be exercised In accordance with the require
| ments Of public interest --a
the privileges conferred In hes acts authorizing h
the entire ensrossmsnt Of street. are without lime.
ton AID ssny 5aafo time Tie use q neis PSSo snssss
eeriod which the haai corporate suhslties cosd
rs.-ryd on tSe fhe Lessue 70 ser aodif,
repeal hesc grants however fsgsrt sh be the abuses ca
| mas grow Up under them
Nor is there any provision 10 these bn pre.cribrg tan.
within which the proposed railroads shall be constructed
Secure IN privileges conferred the parties in Interest
dslsy action their Uisnee shall be lee
,ubsrved 10 IN. time the iruniis, grated msJ be me
subject OF constant barter d SALE without ths slightest arc
advantage to the public" p
"But the Governor was mistaken" says Mr. Iiitis-
john he had not looked fur enougb into the Con-ti.
tuition. L. poor legislator and q very humble man,
have looked further into IT, The Constitution, writ
! knows il by heart. Yo1 know it AZ you know yosr
| catectsm. " But the Governor had not looked ints
the Constitution. MIR. Lttejohn had looked fnTiheA
and he says they not III perpetuy because article
g. section provides that joint.sock corporations and
associations shall he included in the word corporation.
Why, gentlemen, the word company or association u
not named in these bs There lie decent psetesse
for saving that these acts ontsOck companies
associations within the constitutional provision. No
nore pretense than than there would be for saying f
apecuniary note, reading for value received proDiss
20 pay John Doe and Richard Roe bye hundred dolsrr
j creates q corporation Joint-stock company. Ihay
are no within the constitutional provision than
| they are within the ten commandments. don give
Mr. Speaker Littleohn much credit for that subtcLluge,
il only adds stupidity to proBigacy. Why did beAies
SO Then viii tell you what think good legisia-
tor, what think an honest man, would have done IN
those circumstances He would ray, Why, Gev.
Morgan says these grants IN perpetdiiy; guess
Cow Morgan knows Of article oth, and section 3D. aud
| the law which governs joint stock companies. am
not lawyer; bat the Governor, he has by bis side the
law officer of the Siate--the Attorney-GeaemL The
Governor has said this in pubic document wbish
| Is 10 live forever without looking into IL. think
had bstter look into IL. will take the advice of eoun-
sci learned in the law" Don't yol think an hopess
mans mind would have in that groove OF Thoughts
Don't you think he would have taken that view OF u
There IL lawyer in the State OF New-fork, who
has any character TO lose, but would have laugh
ed at the question-not one But this il Mr.. Little
ohns apology for this; nay, bis :" defense uttered
nearly six months after the passage OF the bill. He
had elk months 70 get his answer or apology
ready. But he did not apologize he said
In substance: 81 voted right the bill was right aud
ought 10 have been passed." lie justified himself foe
doing what che did six months after; with all the
flood of hight which had been threwn upon IL, that -
the best snbterfuge he can devise. Then he came for
ward-true TO his company of forty--and cirdscates
the measure, and saws it right That the
kindest cut of all II he had said at this time, s-
pent did not understand this; was mistaken tias
has given franchises of nestimabe value to those gram
tees They are selling out and getting S5 Co., $40 o0
and SIS, 900 share. think did little wrong. n
would have sofened the care somewhat, and II would
have tended to show that he more dupe than pro
gate. Didn't he know at the time ne voted fur
these measures that there wero men In New
York ready to give enormous sums for what be
was bestowing for nothing Mr.. Conklng, who ssfs
over Wonder will tell you that he raised his voice ard
said it in the hearing Of Lielohn and that he pro-
t..-,al atsn he fzR-