Weekly standard. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1858-1865, 1861-05-29
THE NORTH CAROLINA STANDARD: WEDNESDAY. :.

Mr.. Reid differed from the gentleman in regard to
the propriety 6f secret session. There was per-
fSct unanity on the subject Of secession-the only
difference Of opinion was in regard HE mode Of
expressing it Onthe motion, he demanded the yeas
and nays. ..alsl:i -
/. The President said there was no rule adopted BY
which the yeas and nays could be demanded-he
could only order them upon motion for that pur-
pose made and adopted. .. '-;2y,
Mr.. Osborne thought there was no necessity for
going into secret session. and asked the mover 70
| withdraw the motion.
Mr.. Leake of Richmond, hoped there would be
no dissension on the mere form Of the ordinance
he believed there would be So far as he could
discover the two sets of resolutions offered exhibit
ed the difference between tweedledum and tweede-
dee He was willing to embrace either. He would
prefer an ordinance however, that provided for 60
ing into the Southern Confederacy at the same time
that it provided for going cut of the old Union.
| Mr. Barnes, in answer to the suggestion Of Mr..
Osborne, said he must act from his own convictions
of duty He thought there would certainly be con-
sderatle .bate on the resolutions and amendments
and it would be better that this debate should be
conducted with closed doors. He insisted on his
motion.
The motion for the yeas and nays was then put
and decided in the negative.
The question was then on Mr.. Barnes motion.
Mr. Barnes demanded tellers and the Chair ap-
pointed Messrs. Barnes and Meares, who reported
ayes 81, nays 50, so the motion for secret session
did not prevail
Mr. Osborne wished to know what was the posi-
ton of business before the Convention-he UNDER
stood the amendment of Mr.. Dick to Mr. Badgers
resolutions to be the first question under considers
ton, and asked Mr. Dick to withdraw his amend
ent and bring it up E the form Of distinct propo-
sition. .-s.
Mr.. Dick said he would consent to do SO with the
midi Of ho how on nnnorfnnitv
of taking vote thereon at an early day so the
amendment was withdrawn.
The question was then on Mr.. Craige's substitute,
which is as follows:
AN ORDINANCE,
To dissoloe the Union betpeen tho State Of North
Carolina and the other States united with herun-
der the compact of the Government entitled the
Constitution of the United States.
We, the people Of the State Of North Carolina, in
Convention assembled do declare and ordain and it
is hereby declared and ordained that the ordinance
adopted by the State of North Carolina in the Con-
vention of 1889, whereby the Constitution of the
United States was ratified and adopted and also all
acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly rati
flying and adopting amendments to the said Consti-
tuition, hereby repealed rescinded and sbrogated
We do further declare and ordain, that the Union
now subsistng between the State of North Carolina
and the other States under the title of the United
States of America is hereby dissolved and that the
State Of North Carolina is in full possession and
ercise Of all those rights of sovereignty which belong
and appertain to free and Independent State
Mr.. Biggs said that question of such importance
ought not to be decided by simple ayes and noes !;
he supposed every member wished to have his vote
| on it recorded on the journals.
| Mr.. Graham said that the Convention might adopt
the rules of the House of Commons, by which call
for the yeas and nays may be ordered, and made
motion to that effect.
Mr.. Biggs hoped the gentleman would except in
his motion, that rule which required any bill to be
read three several times on different days. The
suggestion was adopted by Mr.. G.
Mr.. Reid thought the adoption of the rules of the
House of Commons would produce embarrassment
in the action of the Convention because Of their in
applicability, in many respects to the business that
| might come up for consideration. He thought the
whole difficulty might be obviated by taking the
| yeas and nays by unanimous consent
Mr.. Satterthwaite agreed with the gentleman from
Rockingham and moved that the yeas and nays on
the substitute be taken by general consent
The suggestion was adopted and all pending mo-
| tons on the subject informally passed over.
The yeas and nays were then ordered on Mr..
| Craige's substitute.
Mr.. Badger took the floor and spoke in defence of
his resolutions at some length. We may give .
synopsis of his remarks hereafter.
Ii Mr.. Cra;ge replied in favor of his substitute He
thought it would be better that simple ordinance
Of secession should be passed now and that the rea
sons therefor might be given hereafter. 1t was for
this reason he offered the substitute; because Mr.
BIS resolutions, while they set forth many and
strong grounds, did not embrace all the reasons for
the separation and especially it seemed to estimate
that no cause for the separation existed prior to
Lincolns proclamation of the 10th of April while
there were many members of the Convention who
believed that causes for secession existed prior to
Ehat time Therefore, while many might dissent
from the views in the p11mble Of Mr. B. s resolu-
lions, all could concur id the simple declaration of
accession contained in the substitute
Mr.. Rufin said that there might exist difficulties
in the minds Of members in voting either set of
resolutions. He thought the reasons for the sepa-
ration ought to be set forth in the ordinance but
was not prepared to accept those in the preamble of
Mr.. B. without some amendment There were many
and strong reasons for the contemplated action of the
people in severing their connection with the United
States government, that not set forth in that
preamble; he would therefore move to lay both,the
resolution and the on the table, for the
purpose ofintroducing resolution to simply declare
the State of NorthCarolina out of the cid Federal
Union, and for the appointment of committee of
ten to draw up and present to the Convention for
NAL declaration of secession setting forth the reasons
for the separation.
The question was put on Mr.. Rufin's motion and
did not prevail yeas A. nays 40.
Mr.. Rayner thought the difference Of views on the
form Of the declaration might be reconciled by blend
ing the two into one series, and so amending the
preamble as to remove all difficulty from the mind
of every one.
Mr.. Rufan explained that he had not offered bis
motion because he was opposed to either the resdh
tions Of Mr. Badger, the substitute of Mr.. Craige
he would vote for either-but he offered it simply to
harmonic sentiment and bring about action on the
subject.
Mr.. Biggs said he had no doubt that there would
perfect unanmity in adopting an ordinance Of Sc
cesson whether the original resolution or the sub
stute De the form selected in which to give it ex.
4 preston. =.
/ Mr.. Ferebee asked for division of the question
The question was put on striking out, and result
cd in the affirmative, yeas Y, nays 80. tt.
The question was then on the adoption Of Mr.
Crage's substitute. =
The substitute was then read.