, 1861-12-20
THE INDIANS OF THE SOUTH:
WEST.
INTERVIEW WITH the CHIEFS AND
COMMISSIONER DOLE. .
Loya1ty Of the Greeks, Semi.
uOIes and Cftickas@Ws.

Especially reported for the Chicago Tribune.1
FABHHoToE, Dec. II, 1sd1
Tho interest that il felt aa to the loyalty Of
he Indian tribes ofthe Southwest, gives an
importance to the recent formal Conference Of
Inc Delegation Of leading Chiefs Of the Creeks,
seIninoIes md Chickasaws with the q. s.
Commissioner Of Indian Afflirs at Washing
ton, and the appended full report will be read
with Interest, These Chiefs came first to Kan-
sas, from the west Of Arkansas, and met Major
General Hunter in Council, and are attended |
here by Agent Cutler, and Mr.. Carruth, q
friend Of Gen Lanes; also by the son Of Com
missioner Dole, who was the bearer Of dis
patches from the Indian Office to Gen. Hun-
ter, as to the matters in the Council
The names and tribes Of the Chiefs are as
follows:
CHxsKs-0ct-tah has Harjo, I'd head Chief;
Miceo Hutka, OF White Chief, Chief; Thatbo FIX
leo Chief; Bob Deer; Vim Gregory, Interpreter. !
, sEzRo1Es- -oct-chun fohola, Chief, Echo-fo-
CmcKAs4Ws-snp -pi-kee, Chief; To:ho-1ut-k -kee,
Chief
Ihesc are all powerful looking men, all |
wearing farmer looking clothes, with the ex-
eeption Of one OF the Seminoles, who looks t
WILL 6lNAS+lA 4AtAt1 A4A%4 Il GAliAA
red blanket wound round his st1aight hair like !
2 turban. They sat all rnnged around the |
Commissioners room as still rs a Quaker meet !
ing. There vas general rush to get glimpse
and hear the palayar, and ~hen all was still,
the interpreter, William Gregory, a Creek
halfbreed, standing ready to be the medium,
the Commissioner rose, and having shaken
hands with the ring, made them neat and
graceful speech. T cannot give the exact
words, but the main drift Tas this:
Mr FRrEsps:-- II am glad to see Jon. I hare
heard Of your good viii to the Government, through
Major General Hunter, with |hom you hnye been
holding council At Fort Lea1snWoIth. he hasgiy-
en- good account of you, and for this reason, sm
you to the President, your Great Father; who wil
that ah h e E. Of the
Yons annuities are safe in the Big Chest Dointiug
to the great safe in tho Commissioners room) 1t
take pleasure in Introducing you to the President
who will be glad to see You and hear Of Jour
loyalty.
Aticco Hutka (White Chief having approach
ed slowly and shaken hands with Commission
CT Dole, said: II would like to relate from
the start, how things are among our people,
Commissioner shall be glad to hear:
Mico Hutka. When first ne got news
that the United State bad split, We made up
our minds net to take sides either way. After
that the Southern men came among US and
said the United States we're gone, the treaties
we're not good any more, and that our only
chance was to Join them. We did not know
how it was, but waited to learn the truth.
We have an old man, one Of our Nation, who
has been in all the treaties, and be told me
lFhite Chief to come and see how It Eas.
+ ,orne +a Rar,eas and met {hfE man fnnintjBr
to Mr.. Carruth) at Humboldt, and through
him I met General Lane, who was with his
army, who told me to try and bring on alarger
delegation, and to hare Mr. Carruth write
some letters for some Of our men to come On,
and took his letters and went back By the
time I had got back to my people, found
| they had split and parted. Some had gone
North and 6omo South. A reward OF S50o
| had been offered for my head, and another
reward was ont for Mr. CarTuth, and no
| letters md our few chiefs and head men now
| here and came on to Kansas again. Times
| we're SO we could not reside in our own coun-
! Try, and we had to LOOK to the North md the
| treaties for help. Hence we have come on
/! here, There sits the second head chief,
| (pointing to Oct-tzh-has-has Harjo-Panther
| Killer with the butt Of lis gun,) who will tell
you more about it all
0estaa-has-has Hario (shaking hands with
Commissioner Dole} said:
I have very sore throat, and not able to
speak much. I believe it WIS the will Of
| Providence that should meet you to-day. It
| was bad, very bad times there when l left.
There were many there trying to get all our
tribes to join Confederacy- They had tried
| all the Greeks, ChckasaWs, ChcTokces, Choc-
taws, Scninoles, Wiclitas and others: We
were told the North were coming to take OUT
property and would keep no more any treaty
with us, and were coming there with their ar
my to take us and all our property: ~ toe
could do tras cross oar hands aid look ssp- Our
Old Man, the Clief, eaid, not SO: treaties
could not be broke at all. The Southern men
tried to make US believe there we're no more
any treaties existing, and hence re have come
on: A ooy 1oaen he gets into any difficulty, gos
e.. s % s,d eat re 1Gs se s' q ne ns w s 9,e are
satisfied be Tas right, and that the South +
Hrong, and they are on the right side in still
holding on to the United States. Ono man
Albert Pike, gave ont word TINT if any towr
or tribe did not join the South, they we're enc
mics. Wo had to retreat. Times got worst
and worse, and harder and harder, and the,
sent White Chief north, and they then pcrse
cuted US more and more. We have no oppor
tunitF to defend ourselves, although the Unio1
men among us arc the more numerous. Til
Texans mere on one side Of US, and othe
Southern men on another, and VIC had to bac1
ont. We had no means Of helping ourselves
All odds were against us. Many Of our mel
said we must fight, but others said wait til
assistance comes from afar. We have, the
6aid, claims to treaties Of the United States
and may expect assistance, and to-dny 1 hay
/ I come to tell you how We have suffered.
/ could tell you more, but this Is about til
whole sum, and that is all have to say now
Coranaisstoacr:-1 an glad to hear this hi:
tory Of these things flom your Chief. abo9
! arc in the South. I expected just such story
| want now again to assure these Chiefs tha
l | tic Government is able and willing to carr
out all treaty stipulations. The Presiaen
your Great Father, will be charitable for you
tFansgrcssions. You have some excuse, b.
t cause some Of the agents that have been fo
rerly sent among you, have turned again'
r you, and have taught you lie. EARLY In th
: season, when the grass had just come fortl
L your Great Father sent agents to pay you yor
: unnuitics and fulfil the stipn1ations Of I'll
= treaties. They were met on the borders b
= armed men, and driven back. They publishe
that you too were bad men. Your Great Fl
: ther did not know what to believe, and a.
# glad you are here to explain all these thing
to him.
:, You have seen in your travels the power
. the North. This power will al be used if n
u ccssarv to defend your 1oya1 people, and to p
t | down this armed rebellion against you and Il
r Government It may take time, but in tin
= it will be done by the President It may b
+ come necessary to rcorg3nizc the tribes in IL
d arc Eo powerful that the disloya1 part of yo'
people can drive out the loyal, it may be u
- cessarY to cnt them of, and reorganize 70,
tribal relations. I trust this will not be s.
|, but that when you return, the disaffected pa
,. Of your tribes will come again to the folds
- tho Government. understand you have Il
ls right, under treaty, to demand the protcctit
Is Of the Government. ft'Ugh," said the
Q Head Chief] II shall be given you. It is 4
d | duty and my pleasure to Introduce you to tt
=, President, who will, doubt not, assure II
that The necessary forces shall be furnish 20
wish to tender my thanks to White Chi
r. and all the other chiefs and head men he
u present, and wish you to cs11y back to 70
e people whit I have said, and the assuranc
J. now bid you goodbye (abakingg hands with
the chiets).
IT Here followed "introduetions all round
/ Mr. nix, the Chief Clerk, playfully introdu
: ing the Commissioner as their Great Faith.
!, and Mrs. Dole as their Great Mother All
~ ~ some little conversation, the Commissioner
Il q familiar way asked the Chief some question
d Cbmn1issioncr.-Iw want to inquire in rclati
If to the alliances formed by any Of your peoI
S, with the Confederates, and also Is to Jo
st Ross, of whom the Government entertains
q Whix ChicE-I don't know Ill the partie
8, hrs. / don't know which Of the tribes to-
Il up hrst with the offers Of tho Southern VIII
is men, but they were taken up by some Of en-
e of the five tribes, and soon carried throu
IS our country. The whites came in there, a
assisted By few Of the half breeds We
l.. through the Nation, but .sasy whole Nation t
- gone with the Confederatcs.
T. Consn,issioner.-Nhatp proportion of 70
Is people will stand BY the United states.
lc WAtte ENig:-Thc Greeks hare about
:, sccesh, but the Union has s, GOO Warriors.
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