The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1861-03-24

my mistress. o. In the convent of Galata, A. In
the convent of Galats sir Q. She wearing the
robes Of sister Of mercy A; True, SIR. Y; In
of the Crimea? A. True, sir. Q. And you
conceived the notion, then, of taking her from
that holy work and taking her as your mistress!
A. conceived the notion Of making her my mis-
tress, but not from that holy place. Q: ! suppose
you thought as your mistress she could as well
perform the works Of charity A. The kndest
hearted women in the world sometimes are mis-
tresses. Q. To be sure; that's your notion on the
subject Did you intend to make her your mis-
tress on that occasion and to dishonor her in that
convent A. No. Q. No; but you formed the de-
sign Of making her your mistress? A. formed the
desire sir. 2. The desire" and not the "design,"
sire is week one, is II! A. The "idea," sir, !
think, was the word used. Q. The idea! ask
you did you form the design A. l can't call it
design. Q. But you conceived the idea Of max.
you determined from that moment to Garry
1t out? A. l determined from that moment
nothing, sir. Q. What, A. had no determi-
nation from that moment; the determination
things; n the oi dsa arc des Did 1 IL. ss des
continue? A. With proxmity-yes. Q. With
proximity. 1t vanished at distance and recon-
menced with proximity? A. Very nearly. Q. Did
wearing the robes Of Sister of Charity! Y s
sir. @. Did you talk to her! A. | did. Q. Was
marriage mentioned! A. No. sir. z. What did
you talk about for the two hours you were there.
subjects WHICH ind bard to bring to my mind
at once; spoke little of love. Q. What sort of
love? A. didn't give it name, sir Q. You
didn't give it name; did you make love to her,
A. Well, kissed her and put my arm round her
waist. Q. You had been in correspondence with
her for three years; was it three years! A. No,
it was not. Q. How long was it, A. From the
beginning Of 1858 to the autumn of 1856. q And
had received q great many letters from her? A.
A raotvp n And had
manyy A. Yes. Q. And You were speaking to
her for two hours? A. Yes. Q. Tell me what
you said, or anything like it. A. / said
found something very loveable in her, and that
she was very attractive. 2. WeY A. That's
about all, j think 2. During the two hours?
A. Yes; but l was not talking about love all the
two hours: / was talking about our previous
correspondence and where we had been and all
about her ever since we first met. q. You re-
ferred to the probability of your meeting again in
the Crimea? A. Yes, we did. Q. And that you
would see here there, didn't you? A. | rather
pressed her upon coming, if ! recollect right. Q.
not from recollection? A. ! cannot swear to the
recollection at this distance of time. Q. How can
yen swear You did not mention marriage if you
do not recollect what you said, A. Because mar
riage is an important thing. q. IL seducng wo-
man an important thing in your opinion, is it,
A. What's seduction, sir! Q. Is seducing wo-
man al important thing, sirg A. 1t depends upon
the nature Of the seduction. (Scnsation.) Q. Did
yOu uOt tcu Hc yOu lOIHcu TIE lutd Vi iudhluK
her your mistress. A. Yes, sir did. O. Was
that an important thing-ihe idea was of no
great Importance? A. No. Q. To her? A. If
didn't follow it up; 9. To hsr-was the
being. followed up. Q. Was it important to
her that you should come near her getting
that idea? A. 1t depends upon what followed.
@. Do you think it is q audable thing to seduce
your honor! Upon your OATH sir. I do not want
your notions of honor! A. do not think ii is
q. Are you perfectly satisfied about that? A.
am now; yes. Q. Now, when did that satisfaction
June 26, 1858. Q. 1t was then you got proper no
tons on the subjecty A. 1t was sir
Chief Justice-When were you married,
Witness--Tbe 10Th of June, 1858.
SERGEANT Sulliyan-But up to that time perhaps
it was laudablc thing in your opinion to seduce
woman! A. No, it was not laudable. Q. II not
laudable, what was it! A. Well, it vast depends
upon whether it was found out or no. Q. So up
to June, 1858, your notion as to the laudability
of seducing a woman was whether it was dis
covered or mott A. And also, a mentioned be-
fore, sir-No, sir; the nature of the seduction;
listen to me; you have asked the same question
twice over, and repeat the two answers.
Chief Justice-What are the two answers?
Witness-First, 1t depends on the nature of the
seduction mean the means a man took and the
trouble he gave himself, the positions he put the
oil upon her part; and / think that makes great
difference in the laudability or otherwise of the
seduction. Q. Do you think the "laudability'' is
varied il the woman seduced is an orphang A.
did not say it was laudable under any circum-
stances: Q. DO you say that now? A. Yes. @.
Is whether it's found out or not material element
in the laudabilityg A. No. sir not in its laudabli-
~. Q. Or its WHAT A. The blame it meets with.
that Teresa Longworth was an orphan A. She
had told me. O. That her mother died in early
life. and that her father died. A. The atheist.
Q. You had read her letters and knew she was an
orphan A. Yes. Q. And lady. A. What
Q. A gentlewoman A. A gentlcwoman. don't
know, sir, what your definition Of gentlewoman
is exactly. q. Will you tell us what your own is!
A. A woman Of gentle blood (Slight murmur)
Q. Has education anything to do with it. think
you! A. With making lady-yes. 2.
Have manners anything to say to it,
think your A. They have sir. Q. Have
complishments anything to say to IT. A. They
have: Q-Belief in religion, A. They have.
Q. Did you know that Teresa l.ongworth was an
accomplished woman, A. ] thought from her
letters-ceriainly, sir, that was my opinion. Q.
Were her manners those OF LADY, A. Tolerably
50, sir. 2. Had she told You who she was. A.
She had told me that her father had been a silk
merchant in Manchester. Nesl And that her
mother was many years dead that she and her
family had quarreled with her father, and never
lived with HIM for many years, and that she and
her sister were living concealed from everybody
in that place in which saw them in London.
o. just 30; you knew all about h3s! A. What
she told me. q. Was she gentlewoman in your
notion A. think, sir that all those accomplish
merits. religion and everything else must be added
10 gentle blood to make proper definition of a
gentlewoman. Q. lou must have gentle bloc
at all events-that Is your definition A. Exact
ly. q. And perhaps II Is no harm al all TO scduce
a woman who has not shat qualification,
A. | did not say it was harm. Q. Be
fore 1858, when some revolution that you told
US of came over you, did you think the fact
Of a woman having gentle blood or not
material as regards seduction A.. Well,
i think had better puiniOu uf sqdur-
ton, sir. Q. would like TO hear IL. A. Seduc-
ton j. when man follows a woman constantly,
persistently and with the intent throughout to
make her his mistress and to dishonor her.
q. That was your idea of seduction, then, sup
pose? A. " was. Q. Very well; did you think
the fact Of the lady not having gentle blood made
the seduction better or worse, A. don't think
il makes any very great difference. Q. Does it
make any in your opinion A. Well, Ii does, a
little; may ! give you my explanation, Q. Ger
tainly. A. Because the one has more 20 lose than
the other. q. More TO lose than the other. And
that "a regards the woman herself, makes the Sc
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