The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1861-11-17

ss:nios,. The point which Englishmen think they
clearly is that The recognition Of the Confederate States and
sckch the anti sgavy party has been advocating for years
These did desire the Of the negroes at the
South But they opposed the extension OF slavery N Inc
Northern territory to slavery for must be remem
bered that for which the North
IN fighting gives the STAKEHOLDER the right to carry
right up the British frontier II he pleases slavery
decided to be normal institution Of the republic. Any
Territory may be invaded by drivers with gangs Of me-
slavery unless there be an express decision 70 the con-
ray All this would come 70 an end by separation Tor
the slave States best hope To have more than
the region lying South Of 80 degrees 80 minutes The
same argument holds good with respect to tho Fugitive
Slave law which the aboonsts have struggled so long
10 repeal and which stands repealed by tho secession
of tho South In fact it Is plain 70 every reasoning man
that far from the North being engaged in roofing out
evil eager TO propagate il through every part OF
It's system in order To preserve the power and glory
Of the Union In other words, 1t 10 fighting for empire
MANCHESTER REPUDIATEs TEE ABOLIrIONIsTs OF
AMERrcA-sLAvERY MUST BE TOLERATED As CATn0.
LICIrY AND MAHOMEDANfSM.
From the Manchester Guardian, November 81
We give up the proslavery argument from the Bible
without waiting TO be pelted with texts by so accom-
pished theoogian the time Minister Resident Of
the United States in Switzerland. Tho institution Is
everything that he says 1t has injured and degraded his
country in thousand disastrous ways II has encour
aged the supremacy Of bad Of public 1t has
bent the policy Of the federal government out OF its
tura course and has been the cause Of giving offence to
foreign nations. 1t has warped the administration Of
justice, and lowered the tome Of public teaching
in the pulpit and the press. Suppose all this to be
said even tho extent Mr.. Fay IL disposed TO shy
IT, and as fully admitted what reason have over
given for supposng that should approve OF the deter
mnaton Of some Of the States to take up arms tho
purpose of compelling other States to this
prolific Of political misery and crmeP II VIII not
suppose, be said that it is the central government
which has resolved to draw the sword for this purpose
because the government Of Mr. Lincoln well that OF
Mr. Buchanan, has distinctly laid II down that the central
the only view Of the matter that can possibly DO main
tanned Is that certain States moved by holy indignation
At the mischief which slavery Is producing in neigh
boring community, have made up their minds TO
exterminate IL by force. We haze done or said
anything 10 lead IL 70 be supposed that should
t.cty opposed the notions Of justice BY Which e profess
70 regulate otcn conduct. There great
many things in tho world which do not
like, but which We do not go TO war to put down.
Probably The Institution sChioh, aalion haze the
strongest hereditary antipdthy 10, Is eRoman Catholic
the conduct Of the kings Of pai and endearorg 70 com
pei "edkr teoesfo resounce Il at the point Of the sord
The last time we went to war II was to support Ma
homedan nation in maintaining their position in
Europe. We certainly do not think Mahomedanism
preferable to te Greek form Of Christianity There are
not many Of us who do not consider 1t moral and ppli
teal abominaton But we uphold, superior to our
personal likngs and dislikings the right Of people
uthin very vide Limits @ hare 'OA0t institutions heypease
unjust and oiic system Of labor, constitutes an exception
to The general rule
determination Of slavery only to show that II SO,
might well deem its justice to be doubtful well
chance OF Wnctnor
has already been extensively discussed in this
try with very little advantage to the views OF
Mr. Fay We have other means Of Judging Of people
intentions than by what they say and what they do
the first place, them the government Of Washington do
say that it is any part Of their object to rid the
tinent Of the of slavery In the next place. they
certainly do not do ANYTHING which can be taken 10
cate that this is thcr intention desire On the con
trary, in the instance in whch-a single official has gono
far TO talk not Of aboshng slavery, but OF
hitting the slaves Of found in against the
Union, his act has been formally dsavowed. II is
scarcely credible that with these facts before us we are
bitterly reproached for not being able to in the war
the religious and philanthropc character which is
claimed for il when convenient: The height of impu
dcnee 10 which Mr. Fay rises this point Of those
things which, IN vulgar parlance must be seen to be APP
prcciatcd.
THE EARL OF SHREWSBURY ON AN AMERICAN ARTS.
TOCRACY.
from the London Times Nov. IL
On "Wednesday evening the City of Worcester Conserya
the Shire hall, Worcester About six hundred persons
attended, the hall and anteroom being crowded to
veniencc. The chair taken by Sir +. A. r. Lcchmce
Ihe House of Lords having been proposed by Captain
Gambler,
The Earl Of SHREWSBURY and TALBOT responded The
House OF Lords he said was an institution highly valued
and il he might be allowed to say So deservedly es
eeed by the nation. II had often been said by noisy
democrats and clamorous republicans that tho House
of Lords OF Reference had been maao
by previous speakers to the unhappy contention that
going on on the other side Of tho Atlantic. OIear)
In america they democracy its trial. they sd,p
howi failed (liear) He was afraid the result would
show that the separation OF the two great sections of that
country inevitable, and those Uho Tired long enough
lcoad, has opinion, dris0crdty established in
America He would not say arisocracy OF dukes and
ear but an arsiocracy Of some sort other great
the necessity OF having middle state between de-
mocracy and dcspotism (Hear, hear.) With regard to
the present government, he said they had kept them
selves in power by advocating one set Of principles
practising another Lord Pamerston had been connected
with every party that had been in Office in his time and
he likencd him to a successful political Blondin-
aughter) from his political tight ropo looked down
from the giddiest heights, only caring to keep himself
where he was.
SIR JOHN PAKINGroN, N. P. GAN Ex-MISIsrER), on
LORD PALMERSToN's AMERICAN POLICY
Sir John Pakngon said-Ict them look across the At.
ntc and they would there the sudden and cxraor-
binary collapse of that attempt TO promote and increase
tina happiness and welfare OF mankn by governing them
the principles Of extreme democracy. (Hear) That
great republic had fallen to pieces 1t rent and torn
by civil Some Of the finest provinces the world
were being devastated by unjistlabe boodshed--
brother arrayed against brother parent against chd
were hshting-and what wero they lighting for? There
great principle which they might have had In
aniagonism. The North might have said "You Southern
people the owners Of slaves, and do battle with
you TO put an end to slavery" (Cheers But they had
not said they could not say Tor though Northern
ers did not hold slaves. they had sanctioned slavery
aud they not wagng this horrible war in ordaq
that from Freside,at Lincoln doo,cdrds there uds nos
in Aerica who scond renture to tell them tat he
ready thought possible that ty the force of circumstances
The North could hope TO compethe South again Join them
il, Constituting the United Sotes 1t altogether hope
cause sor it was his sincere belief that tho real nsga
ton fe this terrible the shame they felt that
the WITNESS the disruption of
pertinent. (Hear, hear He earnestly wishcd--and nc
every present there tina, day would Join in
the wiskshat that might be speedily put an end to
(Hear, hesr He could not refrain from erpyessin1 ,c,
that tie great Locrs Of Europe Uod demonstrate aoains
IFS continuance. He thought the Emperor of R,ls
sia Unauthorized good example 10 Emope bv
the conre trhch he had taken They all knew
that America was very sensitive to European opinion
and he (Sir Pakngton) could not help thinking that II
the Powers OF Europe were, without actual in
reference to oer their remonstrances America they
might have beneficial effect. {Iear, hear) He must
that he disappointed the language held by
Eayl Russell on this subject at tho meeting at
Newcastle He did not blame tho policy which the 90
vernnsnt had adopted with regard to America. Ee
thought they were right in adopting the principle of
trality. but he did wish that Earl Russell had avaed
hmseE OF the opportunity at Newcastle OF expressing in
somewhat and decided language the views
Of Englaed with regard to this war. iHear, hsar.)
He had heard 1t said that they ought not
to judge Of American institutions by the fact Of
the civil wsr-that civil might any country
and that tG not TO be considered any result cf
the democi ate principle. But his this was
that the nse Of America had broken down before
that had begun. Let Thorn ask any intelligent Ame-
rcan citizen wAss were bis views the subject. Had
democracy succeeded? Had extreme democracy con-
trouted TO promote the happiness Of mankindp What
mad been the work q American institutional Had the
administration of justice been pure9 Had the govcrnmet
been Tree corruptonf Was liberty Of person
tie minority Ask intelligent American citizens and
they would tell them that which II was within his (Sir