The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1861-12-09
NEW YORK HERALD MONDAY, DECEMBER 8, 1861

OF the opposition have been endeavoring to make pocM
capital out OF this Mexican expedition one OF theh sau
the other day that the English government were gong 70
force to Mexico to collect the bad debts OF English
subjects That of course Is utter absurdity. We are
not going to collect debts English traders must take
their risks; bun going to obtain redress Ior
outfagos committed on English subjects and English pro
perty Cheers We dsclam all wish TO interfere IN
the government Of the country repudate all sensh
objects what we hope is that tho Mexican people may
lind TO establish government sufficiently strong
to maintain order and fulfil its engagements with foreign
Powers (Eear, hear
A few more words and have done. have heard it |
said that there has been tory reaction in this country
very much doubt whether that Is There mag have
been a reaction against certain extreme opinions, but
that is not tory reaction. /
LORD STANLEY, NJ. p, ON THE SEPARATION OF THE |
NORTH AND sOUTH-wHAT THE UNION WOULD |
BECOME WITHOUT TIE REBELS.
[From the London Times, Nov. 23.
lord Stanley. NJ. r., met his constituents in this
borough this afternoon for the purpose OF addressing
them tho present state of public affairs The gather
ing took place in the Town Hall and tho platform was
occupied by the leading gentlemen in town Of both poiti
cal parties Lord Stanley sadlherc Is another part OF
the world to which that last remark Of mine Con non
intervontion) equally applies. or course mean the
United States own do not wonder at the annoyance
which Americans sometimes feel and express at the
summary In which here undertake 10 settle their
affairs for them. have had some lessons TO the caution
which should be exercised IN forming judgment on the
summer of lS4s, at tho tme of those folish and futile
disturbances which taking place in Ireland, and Uds
good deal asonshed, and not tihte amused TO find
that there ,oere many persons IN the United States really
Oell informed upon most matters 'oho egeched very
serious importance TO those disturbances who thought
they were the beginning Of a great movement
for irish independence and were inc ined doubt
whether our government was not donga FOOLISH thing IN
not recognizing the Independence of Ireland at once
Uaughter) know what thought Of those comments;
and dare say there many intelligent persons in
North America who think much the same of some Of the
criticisms which reach them from side OF the Atlantic
At any rate do not think 1T reasonable to blame the
federas government FOR not having done that
Which as trustees for The people sy hardy could DO,
pet has d0ne--for not giving up 0ne-hdy Of their
territory ,oiAsoa striking bow in lis defsnce. (Hear
hear They have Nth armed Instruction. they have
opposed by armed resistance. How long it 10 wise topper
sist in that resistance question Of policy and very
difficult ono but i seems to me absurd to blame
ment in the world has done, and ever will do.
Now, the result Of that struggle is beyond human
WHOLE that tho opinion which generally prevails in this
country the one.that sooper later Southern
conederacy will BIO established do not come to that
conclusion much because doubt the power Of the
North subjugate the Southern STATES Even to that
point there may be some doubt country of immense
distances, and ossmperfect communications, is very un
favorable for aggressive and very favorable r de-
ensive putting that out Of the question and allow
sources Of every kind the real suty Of the case
be thisSupposing the federal government to succeed
in its obcctto rtconquer tho Southern STATES, what will
they do with them when they have got thcm2 (Icar
hear If their rights not to DO restored after the
conquest, then pooe,tul military government must b
established, and those principles of independence and
sefgovernmcnt which the very basis Of American
/ institutions must, for time at least, be in abey
anco. II, en- the other hand, after the conquest
l. tho political rights Of the South restored,
| undoubtedly those rights will be used for the
purpose of embarrassing the. working of the political
machine and Of compelling fresh SEPARATION W peace
| ale have. seen comparison as to this war,
which to not nnapt one. Some one has'said
that IL is yert like the case OF sblnd nsttutng legal
proceedings in order bring back Ms wife to live with
| him Qaughtcr.) He MAY succeed, he may OBTAIN his
object; but tho question 49, when he MS obtained IT,
1 nestle happiness. (Rsnewcd aughtar) Then again, AZ
far we can sec at present. the only party in America
which really earnest in this war Is the abolition party
those who are for ciectng tho emancipation Of the ne
groes by the interpretation Of the federal authority With
them isl war OF principle But their opinions 10 not
the North and far from their being the views enter
tanned by the Cabinet of WashngtoShe very last acts
Of that CAB net show that by them the aboitons party
is repudated and dissyowed (Hear.) For the rest
tys2 differences between the Northern sea iSn!a,
VA feared them and from that time 10
| the present there have never been wanting men
who have predicted that Che difference of habits AMI
causediierences due Y part to early traditions and III
also tho 10 asrooD ThoS " M
to very ao 70 s s. people s ao n this
country, as If the secession in the South bring
atoI an uter breGko'tn 81 Amricdn pccr. Grant that
the South obtain all that they require the North will still
gent and energetic population in the world; they will re-
retain territory as large as all Europe ,excudng Russia
boy will possess political unity which they have
had for the last thirty years land unless this pro-
tractel through series Of years whatever burdens
| more
lightly taxed than any powerful nation upon earth.
Now, have heard spcculalions worry ingenious and
abe as to the probability Of further disrurions
taking place, and Of tho establishment Of several
| independent communities. / do .sot say thai. these
specalatons are unGoandcd on tho contrary
think n1s o1 + al & 5 e n Z
premature repeat, we are bound TO great can.n
in juugn, The affairs of any foreign countr: and there
more NECESSARY than IN tho case Of the United states
There are two carses w"h inevitably lead n b,ss our
Judgment in regard to them There many on:asaS u
ms country who by their habits, BY ,maon By
her social ana political position and ~ erep say b
The personal interests ,shich ingoa Of that policl and
social position are naturally prcdisrosed to judge
unfavoable manner whacver affects the great republican
Power of the world. Then again. there is another feel
ing quite as natural and justiabe There are many
persons who have watched Nth uneasnss, and NTH
dnniay, the Sro,th Of Tocer ,choSe il, ,osdh
and POI uat'cs has been more rapid than ha, j any En-
reean ae who at the present timsl OK be0. the be
popuation the equals Of the United Kingdom and who
certainly have shown some disposition usc their power
an nsSe Ny s9a Y NESTLE 1 Whit
Think are bound to special cafe that in forming
it do not allow ourselves to be biaset either by
class feelings or by rational jealousy As to the duty Of
that there wiz be any departure from it, wha,evef ad
ycrnmcnt is TO observe strict meat atty in word and
deednot TO show irritation at casual af ances such
as IN the course Of such struggle this must iroy
taby expect TO defend any rights of ours hat may ia
attacked, temporarily and firmly giving time for anv
angry passion 10 evaporae and ali TO take no adj
vantage and to seem TO take advantage Of the tenn
forary weakness Of the American Power effect any OBJ
cctwhich that Power might regard an oncroachm mi
up.n its rights Icar hcar) There is only one other
point Of foreign policy which will touch upon and thai
relates to this edition which is now eparinc for
cxco In order to enforce against that State the or
british and OF other creditors. do think wc q in
position 70 t'nr.a final decision 1on The policy Of thai
measure unfu zoe hear the explanations of H. NH MN
Os Stvn by me Minister fdrlidm AS to it's Justice
admt at once that there nothing to say against that
because the condct of the government of Mexico is such
as fully TO Justly our armed Interference So again on
tho score Of humanity admit il is unob ectiunab,e be
cuse whatever may be the effect Of intervention Il
quite certain that we cannot ssby make the poti-
cal condition of Mexico worse than We find H. The r,oy
question Is 'rhthe there is any British oect inpo red af
9ade % ne magnitude # such expedition If tho onv
onoct DO what we are told 1t isto collect these Ind
deots-I apprchend that may happen which sometimes
occurs IN private life that the expcns OF litigation viii
swallow up tho profit Qaughtcr.) II that be nj, ali
II the expedition finds whom 1t gets the g. as il very
probably may, that there is nothing deserving The
name OF government in Mexico, that there re M
set OF men with whom it is possible t. treat, 10
set OF men who can undertake, to give n Mo 90
with regard to the conduct Of public affairs viii
the slightest security that what they under,nfc WI
be luiii ed we shall find there del owed mon ne ~
task OF creating government for that ntfy That a.
n of