Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1861-04-08

that the people OF North Carolina and Tennes-
see shall have the right Of transit through the
State Of Virginia, TO and from the city OF wash
;nrton. till such time IS final action may De
had by the State Of Virginia upon the report
Of her commissioners under the third clause
OF this ordinance.
Mr.. HARvIE, of Amelia desire to know
whether it is in order to move n substituted TOE
substitute? 49,
The CuAlRMAS-Certainly, sir, It is perfectly
in order. This is Il substitute for one sec'!oh
of the entire report
Mr., WIsE-Mr. Chairman, wo cannot near
one word, there is such confusion in the haIt'
| have tried to hear the question but have
failed. ! have not heard the proposition OF tue
gentleman from Amelia [Mr. HARrIE.) ldon
know in what light this is Observation-Disclosures II
is a substitute for the whole report or only Tor
The amendment. We have snch great diSor'
der in this part of the hall that ! csnnot hear.
The CHAlRIAI-Thc Chair has almost ex'
haustcd itself in cndcavOring 10 p%rcserTe the
ord"r of the Committee.
Mr.. GocGiS-Does the Chair decide that my
amendment is in order?
The C~nAlRMAS-Ycs, sir, it is in order.
Mr.. WIsE-lIcw Is it in order' / nave
made that enquiry before.
The CuA!HMaS-Thc sixth section CT TIC
report Of the Committee Of twenty-onc has
been reported to this Committee OF the hole
the gentleman from Amelia (Ar. HARyiE) offers
an amendment, and the gentleman IRON Bed
ford (Alr. GoGGIS) offers Il substitute lor the
centlcman's amendment.
Mr.. WsE.-It is offered, then, as a subst!-
tute for The gentlernan's amendments
The CHaIkNAS.-Yes, si:.
Mr.. WlsE-And if the gentlenan'a amend
ment is rejected, then the question will be up
on Tie substitute as competing with the sixth
section Of the report Of the Committee:
The CHAIRNAS.--Precisely, sir.
Mr.. WIsE.-Now, sir, | hope the gen.lcn an
from Bedford will withdraw his substitute. 1t
is in the form of an ordinance to amend one CT
the resolutions of a series OF resolutions that
are proposed as resolutions, SONS of which n:e
adopted as resolutions. When you come to the
ordinance in The secrHd report OF the Committee,
! presume thgt this amendment will be in or
der. There is much in the proposition | would
like to sustain, and yet as n whole, as 1t Is pro
posed and as It stands, | cannot vote for Il 1t
IS not g~crrain to the subieet matter.
MI. Go6aIN.-I wouid ask the Chair to have
the amendment offered Dy tine gentleman from
Amelia reported.
The Clerk again reported Mr. HAE71Es
amendment.
Mr.. GuGGlS.-Not having heard, and not IN
dcrtanding HE purport OF the resolution offered
BIZ the gentleman from Amelia, or the effect it
would have, Or Object sought to be ATTAINED by
it, | offered the amendment which have oil.
! c,r,l d.. ,,,- rp1nr.t,p lirr p1nrn FJlly
what it is, | withdraw my amendment to that
amendment. with the distinct understanding,
however, that | do so with the purpose Of still
introducing it ut another time.
Mr.. MooKE, of Rockbridge.- Il object to the
gentlemaa's Withdrawing it | want to 7oae il
down.
Mr.. AMBER, Of Leuisa.-Can the question
Of order be now raised Z Ii is in reference to
the reception of the substitute offered by the
gentleman from Bedford. AS 1 understand il,
unless the Chair has decided that Inc sros,l-
tute offered by the gentleman from Bedford Is
in ordsr, the objection canaot be made.
The C~HAIgAAS.-Tka Chair decides thar it is
in order.
Mr.. AMnLEr.-l was in hopes tho Chair
would not decide it in order, for good reasons
which ! think the Chair will see at once. !
think the proposition is entirely out Of order.
Mr.. WlsE.-I move that the gentleman from
Bedford have leave 10 Withdraw lis PROPOSE
ton.
The CHAIRMAS.-That il the question which
the Chair was about to put
The question was then put, and Mr. GcGGIS
was permitted to Withdraw his amendment for
the present.
The CnAlRNAx.-The question recurs on the
ap,on6o,opt nH,rnd 6,y +ln ron,l.yrno from,
Amelia. (AIr. HAR7lE.j 10 the 9Th resolution.
Mr.. TrRyER, of Jackson.-As it is about the
usual hour for the Committee TO rise, | move
that the Committee rise.
The motion vas put, and the Committee re-
fused to rise.
Mr.. WIsE.-I hope the resolution will be
reported now.
The CHAia4AN.-'Thc Chair will state the
question IS soon rs the Committee Sinai! come
70 order.
The Clerk will again proceed to report the
sixth resolution, if desired by airy member; if
not desired, the Clerk viii proceed 70 report
the proposed substitute.
The Clerk thon read again Mr.. HARv1E's
amendment.
The CEAIgNAs.- Tie question will DOW De
upon striking ont snd inserting.
IL. Sc.-lo ~ III Va s"NhtJ
one that is to bring in an ordlnanceP
the CHAIKMAs.-It will be reported Ggair,
and the gentleman can put his own construc.
ton upon it.
The Clerk then read sgain the proposed
amendment offered ty Dir. HAErlr, Of Amelia,
to the sixth section Of the report Of the Coui-
mittee on Federal Relations. as follows:
Resolved, TlGt an ordinance reSutninc the
-ou-.~ sI, -, T,.,n;. tr tho E.lornl
Government, ard provision Tor submitting the
same to the qualified voters OF The Common
wealth for adoption or rejection 1t the polls in
the Spring elections in May next, should DC
adopted by the Convention
Sir. WlsE.-Mr. Chairman, as | have pre-
claimed again and again, | prnclaltn now, that
| am opposed to the immediate secession Of this
State for secession's sake. Eut, sir, | believe
That there is Que fcrm Of secession which may
be proposed, that is the onI : thing upon eartb,
according the best OF my judgment, which can
accomplish the end which | aim at cbo7e auy
end in tie world, Of restoring the unity. the
peace, the brotherhood and i:armcny OF this
great nation, Of bringing back TO Union the
States remaining in the Northern and the
States that have seeded in The Southern Con-
federacF. With the yie~' Of bringing in such
All ordinance, end with this understanding OF
the Tote, regarding it rs q substitute iuuking
TO G better ordinance which | believe can be
prepared, and which, at the proper time, ] will
submit to this body for what it is worth in
o:dcr to lfFold an opportunity Of proposing 4
plan OF Reunion, or ncw union, OF restoration
OF the Union, I shall submit that this Common
wealth shall take an independent stand, and
make a proposition that shall bring buck the
old Union, or better Union Of al! clc sister
States. Above all things on earth | desire TO
see this Commonwealth placed in that high,
independent position that shall not save the
old Union, not restore the cid Union-for you
all admit that it Is 10 be amended, but that will
enable ncr to tender to ali an amended Union
that shall be acceptable 10 I'll. When the
Committee Of the whole shall resolve itself
again into Convention, l propose to offer
such q plan rs Is substitute ior tho report
Of this Committee; and with a view Of reach.