The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1861-11-04

Ihor ieeiisss ana interests are both different Tha'
mighty country mas becoino too large TO ibid togeher'
especially h'er republican farm Of government and there
fore gee no means OF restoring but the separation
Of the TWO sections Of that vast empire.
MR.. COLLIER, NJ. r., ON THE WARS OF ROYALTIES
AND DEMOCRATS.
Mr. Collier, one OF the members for Plymouth, visited
MS constituents tho same day and made Them speech,
touching, like most autumn speeches from members,
upon the chief topics of tho day That part OF his dscr
taiion which related TO America will be found most
ccpiable because in substance II is the most novel;
Now, our chairman has alluded to the amentable strug
gle between the North and South Americans. OR
We AZ deeply lament that struggle. (Hcar, hcar)
.hink am not incorrect IN expressing your sentiments
ana those Of the people of England generally, when say
their sympathes, on tho whole, are with the North
Their symMthics would be completely with the North,
but for their outrageous and Insulting conduct towards
ourselves. CiearD So far we all probably agreed
tiear) But, gentlemen, you must forgive for saying
that y appears 70 me tia, some people in the habit q
talking u good deal OF nonsense on this question (Oh)
Ike TO call things by thor right names. (Hear)
hear this said from time TO time" Oh, this
American WIZ Is condemnation OF all republican nstita
uohs. ~ Is condemnation Of vote by ballot Is con-
domination Of universal suffrage II is condemnation Of
az liberal opinions II proves the truth Of the opinions
he'd by torios.n (0b.) l boeye some people go
far AS to say that IL proves that the borougs ought
To be restored aud that the franchise ought 70 be
tailed Great laughter and amusemcnt.) Well, gentle
men, what has this to do with the American war; North
and south America not going 10 because they live
under repabIicansn or because they vote by ballot
fheaf eyg5 n todr 6ecdpsc hey reC0ncdtfed G
ternee e great, and rai, and oe,,l gueia of
arery That difference would arise whether the govern
mcht were republican or monarchcal. (Hear, hear.)
The same Of difference w0sd haze existed and the
difference would have been this, that Dscad Of war
between President Lincoln and President Davis would
have been a war between King Lincoln and King Davis
aughter) Where is The difference? Am to be told that
y Is only republicans--the presidents Of republics
that go to war; (No.) Why, what have monarchy and
hegrnt (Iesr) The principal hing nm hacs hem ding
rs j'ahtinP 'rah each other. Ucar, hear Why, tho
greater i@i Of history Y chi' nco of war, Of battles
and ot coaqaes's-tchcers)and in great be-
tween nonarcls. "Oh" it may be said this II a cvH
war; well are republics only subject to civil wars?
(iicnr) Had republican, anything to do " it'll the
wars Of the Roses and OF the Frondcf thin K an Impair.
t'ai review of history would leave II very doubtful
whether the moarchcal or whether the republican form
Of government has been more favorable TO war NO
ho The truth Is, that political istitiors Of whatever
class whether they be nonarchica whether they be
republican, have not the power unfortunately Of destroy
ing inc paghaclous propeasities of the human mind.
men VIII hght whether they he republicans or wi. her
they be moaarcl,ists, whether they by ballot OF
whether they vote without it, Nlcar hear. and inter
rurihnt Now. gentlemen, will endcavor to make
limerfnpiion from some unexplained causc) --uow,
have only further TO say upon ,he American question
never held up the institutions Of America 10 the mra-
tioh stll less :" the imitation Of this country Iord
cheera) Institutions are 10 be judged hy their ab-
sifac questions alone, hut by their alaptihty cir
cunstaneos. lcar hear) Republican institutions are
probably better adapted to ane~ca-(icar hear and
monarchcai institutions are better adapted tous {Iear
hcnr) u wo have something to learn from the Ameri.
cans, am satisfied that the Americans have more to
learn from us cloud checrs.) am satisfied that we
are better governed country than America on the whole
(Ch-rs) But protest against tia, confusion Of IDEAS
witch because two things coexlst you shall call them
ranse and effect, that because two people who happen
he republicans - 10 war. you jump 70 the conclusion that
they 70 To war because they republicans. Yom may
we'll say that England and Russia. both of whom ar.
mo,archcal Went To war because they arc uofarrh,al
Noar, hear II has nothing do with the causc 81 ai.
ference whatever may DO the form of government.
(Chccrs.)
MIR. JACKSON, NJ T., SAYS TT is A WAR or TARIFFS
From the London Post, Get -.
At the annual dinner given by the Mayor of Newcastle
dder ~ ne NJ Jackson, one Of the borough members,
IN I1 gtiunps nprlc
he said, place in England suffering less FROM the sun,
preston Of commerce in that country than tho boroneh
OF Newcastle. II is true gloom has rkened over this
district in consequence Of the unhappy drerccs
the Atlantic aud il il likely continue bat am truly
glad to know there is but one opinion Throughout the
country respecting the dtierences-tha is non ntervcn.
ton. believe my honorable colleague agrees with mo
in that and am satisfied Lord Ieby and Lord Palmer
ston also fully agreed upon it, know thai country
well. can't say have been over the whole length
and breadth Of the land, but may say | have seen
many thousand square miles Of 1t. For the last thirty
and say ls Hens aaM u ont for fight as fhey lriU
il mast dnoa result far The beneGt Of Dis country aadif
ind mt onc roe % gre Mould be nsains ccferaa ,oh
them Some say that 10 question Of the abolition OF
slavery don't altogether agree with that My firm
opinion 10 that II question OF free trade against pro.
lection. Years ago met with from the South wi
said to me, ave sci you bond cotton twelve cents
pound You send back manufactured for twSye cents
more: but before consume IL for the pur,ose Of
clothing our slaves We have tn pay twelve more. II
y more than human nature bear" And 20 IL WAS
Tic Souhern1s long ago ma.e their minds free trade
and yru see sOt1t has tdksn place.
MAJOR BEREsIORD, N. T., ON COTTON FROM INDIA
AND THE FAILURE OF DEMOCRACY
tFrom tho London Times, Oct 2l.i
Faithful 90 what Mr. Dsraeli (who they once or twice
had the honor OF enterain.ng) would call their hcredi
tary traditions tho conservatives Of Essex held their
annual festival at the Bell Inn, in Castle Hendgham
on tho 10th inst
IN his speech after dinner Major Bercs.ord, NJ p.
sad:-He coald not sit down without ai!uding the
events in America. Somn parties commended that the
crusade undertaken by the North against the
south, in cause which must 80 home 90 the heart OF
every Englishmalviz the abolition OF slavery. (car)
We were told again ny o;her art'cs that the contest
nothing more than n struggle between free trade and
protection and t.at thai commercial change dstab
hed In this country with weapons than tho pen
d tho tongue gst be fought ont with rife and cannon
beneath the banner OF free republic He inclined
however to search little more deeply into the primary
cf this ds,sroes convulsCn and ascYibe IL to
the ca.e eoqaenty assigned tho other day by Sir Ed
ward lwer IyttoDviz. to that inevitable law Of dN-
membernieRs whkh seemed to guide and direct tho pro
gross Of nations after they had attained acertan strength
america hccin1 ben feered 70 pryen0uraI ,al,ss by
the forcing Influences Of Democratic institutions He Inclined
70 think also that the separation had lately witnessed
destined to be perpetual and that the sooner
this conclusion accepted the basis of negotiation
and peace the better would il be for the American CONT
and the whole civilized world The disasters of
America shen b. to Us subject of unsecny cxntatipp
hcar, hearl--gor we are bound to America by every
tic social AID comnercii and he feared that every bbw
strpck n Anerra might be felt In the homes Of thou
sands Of fellow countrymcn. No calamity was 50
great but that WAS nj from high ultimate
coed, and TIE interruption Of the 4mericda co, SUNNY
mioh tGd 10 III op.ning Of fresh felds md ,res nee 10
aangfccfaing and commercial r,'e7r;se bit h. raded
last ysdrs distress at Coventry repeated ih,tchoa the
length and hi@aA nj The manufacturing districts What
might be Tie future ia for ne. vefcctioa
both as regards the past and the present, must come
home 10 the heart Of every conservative. American in
stGens had been somewhat astcntatouslv brought he
fore us and landed % iac years bGt when saw those
institutions snddcn'y melt into air while democracy gave
place 70 military dcspotlsm, we were JUSTIFIED IN SAYING
rs Nr Canning did IN Gays gone by THANK God that ",
are born under tie British morarchy-tlat We are 10.
prepared TO sacrifice the efrs AMI experience ccn-
rios, and the struggles Of more than century FOR a
liberty perfect blessed any country upon
earth, for visionary schemes ideal percctbillty or
daneuNi experiments oi possible Improvement loud
chcefs)
The British Fleet in the West Indies.
,trom ihr fnadnn Times. Oct. IL
Her Naicsty's patdc wheel steam sloop Fircbrand,
Commander Bruce ffoa tbe West indies havinc under.
gone the necessary caking &c IN basin at Woclwich
VIII sail on The 2Ith inst for Spithcad
The McdcS. g. paddle, Commander Marcy Preston
went oni % Portsmouth habor fer Spithead on SATURDAY
she il expected - san ioi Halifax and the West Indies