, 1860-12-14
The Rock Island R. R. Bridge
Conspiracy Case.
Recorders Court nf the City Of fChicako-Reoarder
Wilson, PTesidipE,
THE PEOPLE VS.. j. W, BlssElL,

Wilson, Presiding.
THE PEOPLE VS.. J. ". BIssElL.
TIN. n bradley rteaAtd and further examined
Q.-%,ere yon present At any other interview be
tween Mr. Bradley and Mr. Chndwick9
A.-Yes. sir: before proceeding vou]d state
That the previous interview was on the 18th ot
June. instead q the 18Th as rcported in the newt
July. Friday with the same position the onlv dir
ference sTa8 the substitution OF Mr.. Chapfn for II
Gage In the room we were in the parties fn the
18th Of July, which refer to now. Mr, C. r. Rrad
ley was alone In the west room. when went there:
e,e5 Waiting fsw minutes n, Frank and 81.
How do you do Ar. Chadwick !" and think |
sn1ha hn the o. aeed h II there
special, Or nothing that was Of mnch Importance !:
they took seats around the little table again Ia
little different position Mr. Chadwick was ncarcr
the side Of the table. not 70 far to front view Al
formerly; Mr. Bradley va: IL the same position.
with bis back nearly to Us; Mr.. Frank was on thu
other side; cannot undertake 10 state precisely
the precise order in which 1t occurred as stated
about the former Interview; think some allnston
q tie IT,
thai ~ three thousand dollafs had been raised.
Mr. McA11isrER--Caa you state just what Brad.
A-R1adley inquired ahoni the money or the
funds; think Mr. Bradley inquired Of him how
nuch money had been raised: he stated that three
thai three thousand dollars ralscd think thnt
was the way he expressed III Sir. Bradley again re-
marked that Il would take large amount 10 put
tue th11g ssfey through he tpGks again to The
the bridge Of the party who In their interest:
think he said again that he ought to have Is mnch
out Of the country; he again alluded to the sanis
act nc repeated In the first interview about putin.
him out o1 the way or getting him out fte cout.
progrcss here, and opened draw in little clc.t
Of drawers. a small bureau should call it. and
took oua strap with holes made in ii and hooks:
It waa large strap, with shouldes.bands faNtenpi
TO Il; large band around the body. with holes in
It; he also took out bottle from tie same drawer.
1r one Of the drawers; he put this strap On Mr..
bis shoulder. u It was evidently made to be uecI:
bradley then hung bottle In 1t to show him how
Il could be ueed: he alto picked up 4 largc
and over IT. .sendezs ta
the thing; think he put his hands in the inside
pockets to show Whist capadous pockets they were:
quantity Of anything necessary; Mr. Frank very
soon threw tho coat of and as+o the etrap; Nj,
Fradley then inquired Of Mr. Chadwick about the
material 10 be used to put on the bridge to ignite
and fire 1t; Mr.. Chadwick said that Mr. Bieerll
wonld attend to that, OF was attending to It; am
TO Hoax Island from st. Louis Mr. BRADLEY enid
he did not like the idea Of having It shipped to
Rpck Island from st. Louis Mr. Chadwick kai3
he thought It could he sent to Rock island III cafks
OF sugar to merchant who was perfectly reliable
and safe; he said the merchant also lad man il,
his employ who could carry 1t from his store to the
hridSe and that that would be safer way of doin:
It: Mr: III adley insisted very decidedly that II
shouldbe rent to Chicago he preferred to have i.
entirely under his own control, and he would then
Mr.. Bradley said he waa afraid tha, If it went 10
Rock Island he was afraid rnkerton would be p,,t
On the track, and be would naturally inquire there
Mr. McA11lsTER-Thss what RrndIey raid.
It's sens to oeE e aid pay hat ofsitsa fntefto 10
where the materia' came from: Bradley said,
..linkcrton 10 very shrewd: he in very shatp, AMI
ifhc gets cine to il he will ferret It ont and i,
wonld he very mitch safer, think. to send 1t to
chleag":' there was more conversation in relation
to IT., Ut about the same tenor, In fact tim,
vas the principal conversation at that
to the material and its transmission, and What
should lie done with 1t; TINT occupied the major
part Of t1llt Interview: Chadwick finally a-seute1
1t. advising that it should be %ent 10 Chicago: he
would recommend Mr.. NtHse1l to send it to Chic,.
20; Bradley also suggested again that 1t would lie
yided ,hey could get hs material in time in about
week.
NJ: McA1L,srEn-Mr. Bradley suggested that:
Uffn<sf-Mr. NradIcy did. a]ludfng again. az III
the former conversation. 10 the state OF the moon
then WAS misunderstood II thst report in the pa-
per IL CORRECT; am there made to stale that thc
moon would be small, my idea Of what intended
WAS that the moon would risc very latc: in t!c
lrst aud secs,nd tntcr.iews conversation was had
between Bradley and Chadwick A. to the state Of
the moon.
Hin. McAlIls7En-Mr.D bradley sucretted that!
rifn<ss-1ie suggested II ccould t:ct the mate
statc to consunmatc the matter; the moon woull
1ise 70 late, or 1t would be small that it would
be dark bct wecn one and two o'clock: do not r..
collect now distinctly Of anything elsc occurring;
between them the interview was not 20 long a.
tho rst Interview: do not think It exceeded half
an hour, and donit think it lasted half an hour;
Mn. KSox-What did this conversation relate to.
Fixin: the time for what3
Mn. McA1iisrER-Lst him state the converse.
Mn. Ksox-Thca he asked about the money,
Nh; NcAr1sTEn-1t was con.ummatinc the act.
Hit1ess.-1 think tome expression like thi. was
used. "to carry 1t out," at would be good time
tocarry 1t out;'' do no. think In that conversa-
BRIDGE at that time; Ii IL Carrying out their ar
ransemert,'' or ''plan. That il my recollection
Q.-Was anything said in that conversation In
relation to the total amount to be raised: II 50.
what was said:
ted. tod BRADLEY and fsank that $500 vst actually
raised. aud that there would bt no doubt about
raising the balance the remainder: an not
positive whether There WAS N amount fixed or sta-
.Q.-Did you hare another interview 1t that pIacc:
II so with whom.
A.-Thcre was another interview on the sth Of
August. In the morning; on TnesdaF, the 7th day
and IT. Chaplin there.
Me-. kEox.-ln the forenoon?
"A little after len o'clock: went there abont
ten think; went alone. and found MIR. Chaplin
and Mf. Hit II the room, and Mr.. Frank In The
and Mr. Bissell went into the room where Frank
was at the time Af. Blssell took a seat on the
sofa, toward The west end. and Az: Bradley took
BIsscll. Frank. think, did not sit for moment;
then he took seat on : chair after moment
facing them. Mr.. l,ssell inquired drrs Of Brazil.
reference to the foEgefiss charged against Trus,
Gilman j. BRETT.
Nj. McA1.It7En-Dett Or Dreck!
1ilness-Drett think ar; nercr heard the
name before: l had heard True and Gflman'e name
mentioned before, two Or thr-c years ago. In con-
nection With the same transaction; ! did not pay
the drift of It and cannot state Bradey's reply.
for Immediately withdrew my attention and raid
70 ~ Hit, who was standing At my right hand.
that thought 1t immaicsial to take that down Al
tuppotcdi 1t had nothing 10 do with what We were
Interested In hearing there; that conversation
continued GO s should think fogr Or Se minutsa M
ue private hutiness with Mt. Bradley. and he de-
sired him to step out for few tnomcntk: upon
that Frank went oqt Of ihe room; NJ. Dissell low.
voice to such All extent that could not hrar him;
could see him aud see that he was talking to
bradley; ! think Bradley opened drawer iirrt and
about that eze pofnttng to that one in court iden
tthed a. received nj tho express Office: II rtood iu
the northwest corner Of the room; ] could sce the
box ve3 plainly - he pointed to II Mr.: Msseil
said 1t that time; Bradley got up from the eoia 1u
get this strap and also in the net Of pointing to
this bo1 and tays. There 10 the material all
to see ii: he did uot want to know anything about
it, the next conversation that rccollect diftlnct
'ly WIS Mr. btssell sayin: be did not want 10 talk
hbout 1t.
Mr. CooK-Who made that remark.
ttItHtss.-1 do not know that 1t In reference
| to the boz presumed ii Was not; that was only
my inference; Mr.. Bisseu remarked that he did
not want to talk about IT.: / had not understood
what It there little Of hls conversation
IT. that was not the very next conversation: they
were talking in the meantime; !; could nut under
stand bradley distinctly; l,e did not speak very
could Blseei1; Mr. Bissell said, don't want to
| talk about It cali It boat vessel: am mot
sure which It was either boat OF ressel. ! do
not know which; think it "a. = boat, .o which
Bissell than said that uIDn executing the bill Of
| sale be would give him thousand dollars, and
| upon the delivery Of the boat he would civc him
] four thousand dollars mote; Bradley Inquired
when the thousand dollars would b Paid; NJ:
night. and that he would 1case It there; he named
] man whose Mans from my recollection could not
state positively, but since hearing tho testimony OF
| the name was Dart: but / could not have stated
that If had not heard the others mention the
| name.
Mn Exox.-Dut:
1Yita<ss-1 think that Vas this name, fbut I
| doubt II / should have known rccollccten that
that WAS the name lad / not heard the testimony
Of other witnesses; cannot state positively from