, 1860-03-17
The KEILOCC-GREELEY QUESTION.
Running Debate in tho House OF Reps
xessn1atlvcs, March 18th, SEQ.

AI n1LkUHAB $Att.J u 4lI.4 IGlllAlkEU 1lAE nj
an early period Of the session he referred to the
vile and yitlaiuons nttack Gu him by the Ner
York Ifi6uhe. He then said that Mr. Greeley |
WIS again aud ag I'm. with other Republicans,
in consultation in the .parlor Of Judge Douglas,
planning and scheniug for tho reelection Of
Mr. douglas to the Senate lie now sought tho
floor for the purpose Of making good the state
nlent hy this rrooucti,n Of proofs and nrgu-
nents: He assumed that MIR. Douglas was
candidate and was known to be one, and that
lie was doably desi irous Of reelection 10 the
Senate BECAUSE Of his peculiar position toward
the Democratic party on the Lccomptou auss-
ton, and that . conference oi his friends was
held on the subject.
league that such statement was made on {he
tloor at the tinc, but was denipd by Judge Mag
shall, his (afr. 14oean's) predecessor, md was
wholly untrue md false.
Ar. kEILoGd replied TINT be was on The yery !
point cf saying denial was made, US he had no
.eati Mr. Grceey's letter dcnTirr The chnroe
heretofore made by him, {Mr Kell6ee), in which |
Sir. Grceley said, among other thiars. that tie
and Ar. Douglas had dealt hard blows. but be
trusted honest ones, and that while lie detessed
Mr- Douglas doctrines he liked his piuck. liz,
Greeley admitted TINT be went to Mr. Dnuelas'
house on seyera! occasions, but, happily, IN
company with witnesses Who, Mr. ke,los:
| asked, sent for Mr. Greeley?
Sir. LAeaApEE, {Dem.] Of Wis, inaui1ct,
al
/ not send for Greeley.
Mr.. KELLOGG said what he had uttered was
| only drop in the bucket, hut one link in tLc
/ loa. chain Of evidence. lie called on Mr.. Col.
| Tax 70 STATE all he knew Of what transpired in
1eln'!on ; 10 tue coalition with the Republicans
Ar. CoLFA1 remarked, that rs 10 what he
| should state Of any interview. lis own self.rc-
spect should be the judge.
Ny. McCLrnSASp, (De,n,) Of ILL., hope the
gentle,nao @ will reply. az he has been challenged.
! Mr.. kELLoGG-Sot chalicn.ed
Mr.. .3IcCLERSASD-You called on him as a wit-
ness.
Mt. KELIoco-I called en- hin, to answer o. to
any conversation between him asd Mr. Douglas,
II to Mr. Dia:r's return to Congress.
Mr. CoIFAx said two members Of Congress
were present ut the courcrsatinn between
Messrs. Douglas and Greeley, namely, Clark D.
cochraae and himself. Ar. Greeley was here
| on business, Of the nature Of which he was not
informed. Alr. Cochrane. he thought, suggest
ed G4i'iug upon Ar. douglas. They went there
and nothing transpised that could not be said
Oh the street. Nothing. tn hiz knowledge, was
said about the Senatorial election III illinois.
70 the best Of his knoredge aud belief, the ou5
suhj'c referred to was the Lecomptou Cunsii-
tutlon, then pending before Congress, the ne
cessty tor its rejection, aud the means by which
,ts success could BIZ ayer:ed. Mr.. Douglas was
his political enemy, aud if nominated for the
Presidency he desired to sec him defeated; but
It was only justice to him that he SHOULD bear
this testimony. Another subject was intro.
ducesl, the rise Of real estate in Chicago; but
hc presumed il. was unnecessary to say any
"Oh, no"1
Nj. KELLOGG that conversation were not
politics generally discussed. aad the position ol
Mr. Douglas OIL the siAvcrr question detncdo
[ Mr. CoIrAx-1ie said he intended to resist the
Lecomptou Constitution to the litter end, aud
regardless Of results to himself.
; Mr. hgLLocn-Was not his position on tht
: slavery question discussed7
Mr. Co1rAx-Sot to MY recollection.
Mr. kELLoGG-Wcre you not the bearer Of
dispatch from Nr. Blair relative to the former.
; | e!ccsioa as Senator trum Missouri!
Mr.. CoLrAx-la October, ISIS, went over Il
Illinois 10 mike ten or u dozen speeches asains
sir. Douglas. At several places yucLaaan mel
sent NJ written questions 10 me, asking wle:Lc
= spondcd at Decatur, Jacksonville and o1hc
places us do now, namely, Whatever con
; ve'sa'ions took place in Mr. Douglas house
d under his own roof, my se'f-respect fo.Lias m
n from aiudirg to them. except at his demand.
:, Ihaye stated tia. If there was q canyeIs tlo
! between Mr. ii'lir and myst]!, Mr. blair was i
the city, anu therefore it would be better to Gu
Il | on him Than Oh na.
= s1r. KeL.oco-I wonder if that is satisf.e
:" tory?
A1. N4AAh. Dflll u mon as tAETe Il coz
n rersation between you {Colfax) aud AIr. Doua
- lus on the subject OF tho election in Missouri:
=. Mr.. CoLFAx-Iudgc Douglas and reper bu
II a conversation en- that subject. If there wa
l. such q conversation between Nessrs. Douel:
y and Dl l:r, they are Of aye and can speuk #
themselves.
: Mr. CtanK-1lad they conversation in yor
n presence?
Il Mr. CoLrAx-They had not.
Mr.. kElIoGG-Dil lie not make requa:
tha: Nr. Blair would come III reference to th
q subject?
n strained inc from, repeating private convers;
:. tiuhs when desired tie defent Of Mr.. Dough-
VI it cannot be expected should NOW do so.
10 :: Mr.. AELLcGc. tTcsuning}--I is dueto myse
ae to say that did not provoke thesa question
II and ansa crs. The gentleman CIR. Co.lax) h:
CT up the causo ofJn1ce Douglas in relation to Il
be char e Of n concerted pal:licial conlercnce b.
m tween Douglas and Greeley. THIS be has see
- fiji do with regard to the conference, but
'o has at the came time here rcrus.d to give Us
er account Ct the other conversation betwec
Cd judge Douglas aud himself. I appeal to hit
~ in tue hope Of developing the proofs. apro
~ to him to add strength to the proofs submit
a the country, 70 US to let the people know t!
O political position occupied by tle most prom
~ appenr, he allows his sell-respect to orer.sha
>, ow him like 4 clona, G Il there he sits mu
before me. loud lnaehscr} Have / n
"a clearly demonstrated this fact that Jud;
~ Dougla: aud Grselcy,,,by some strange le
he together, and M friend {Mf. caif%x) comes @
I'd to nuke up the magic number. Or hc conc
:, overland from New York, md Is safely demo
~ tied in The house Of Judge Douglas, in this cit
a. where he performs the ceremony Of uutcEil
be the h.nds Of Judge Douglas and the srot!e
ct Greeley. Gentlemen who play cards occasio
- ally-and suppos. there are some such in tl1
House, US well Is in other places-migtt ter
the pair OH cithes Eide Of my friend. his 'srig
aud left bower" Loud laughtcr.] As a
no: q quaintcd with the exact terms app1icabl
be wait for correction from come OF the initiate
[Cnntinued laughtcr.] Ny fr;end will not c
i.htca tne on the subject, Aud will procec
er bare established the fact tl,1t there was a
e. litical conference. Or advising, or sc4en ing
he nsc the proper term in this casc-at Ill event
~ in regard to the Iccompton u.casure-and I'll
.s' was 10 come oft? New ask any and ere
l.) honest 1nan in the country whether .1ud
nv | Douglas expected to get over the Republica
* in that struggle or not. The Republican par
" was pledged 10 1csist thnt measure, nor "
IS there man in tl,c ranks who for a moment f
-te tered in his hostility to it. usk, sir. what "
~ the suppor: that Greeley wus bringing to II
~ aid Of douglas? Let some one answer. WI,
~ was tho Lopc or promise that con1d justify su
lie iii absencc, and what Was to be their means
co | action?
~ Mr.. McCLEaxAxo {Dem.) Of 1ll.-Yhat cou
'al Greelcy do to aid Judge Douglas in obtain;1
lc- Democratic votes? What agency cnull Gre
n- ley fulfil in adding strength 10 the political po
!, ton Of the s,snators Greeley could bring
ne strength to Douglas, and you and I, sir, kne
lis it.
y. Mr. KE1toGG-You yourself, sir, answer
- nothing. ! ask. too, what aid could he give
ou the passage Of The Lecumraon bill? Nonc, 5
ch All! sir. lie cuuld 60 no,hiug-a1solutely not
IN ing. hut, sir, there was u reason why the
In | men should come together at the time, bitter
~ as they were otherwise opposed to each oth'
ng Judge Douglas had broken away from tic ran
ut OF tho regular army, and engaged in dcsu1tol
uncertain, guerilla tight. H. wanted the Il
publicaus 10 defeat the Democracy, while
I'll himself was engaged iu attack upon the Adu.i
%. istration. Thus it vas. Greeley and the 4
lie pubIicans wanted to defeat the Democrats.
-. it might tc asked, what in Gods namc d
Ae Douglas want? lie Hanted to defeat the 4
at ,liu,strutlon. so as to exait himself: THIS VI
II. unquestionatls tie double objec: Of Grec'ey III
ot l,ou:las The litter waa just dying out Of Il
:, Scnate, aud unless he secured his reelection
eF was overwhelmed, and would pass away frc
d. | the public yicw until aro!her lection eave hi
rs | chance Of rc-appearing. Thus have shos
= !. thu, Greeley had IN object, that Douglas had
H. object, in ealliu. for foreign Md 10 s,lsan hi
yil wh,lc ,be Republicans were to beat the Dem
es- Gratis. But though this was The programme Il