The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-17


question Certain am that he does not speak the SEQ.
ments Of tho people Of England. (Greas cheering) We
Sow .SSw the Ind q q ss
TO get twopence and he does not hesitate 70 tell that
ranafeTs his loyalty and his allegiance Lnud and
the honorable gentleman undoubtedly ensertains u
himself, do not attribute 10 him such oycrweening
sSo ~oud I not e. 70 snr n
loyalty their incomes wore doubled, he meant that ho
himself above such considerations. QAughs-r)
heart and sentiments; and there leave the honora
bio gentleman. lHe.r hssI} But ! trust The govern
have heard from his bps (Chcsrs) "Perish Savoy
says The honorable gentleman perish the freedom Of the
PRESS perish constitutional government perish every
With France. (Hear hcar) But the honorable gentle
man went 80 tar as 70 say naaersd nothing whether
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that should DO annexed he has received Information
he does mot tell from what qnaFerthA the people Of
uemsn, NO doubt, will be able At the proper mo.
ment to inform the House Of Commons he has nrorma-
ton in his gocAe; that the people q Belgium wish
Rhenhh provinces q Prussia We shall have similar
statement from the honorable gentleman But, ask, Is
(Chsera) Does This language represent tho feelings Of
the people Of England 10 the eTminat,n Of the honor
able gentleman tie determination OF this House aud Of
those who cent US hereY (Cheera) believe nay am
conhdent, the honorable member stands alone In the ex
preston Of these opinions wish 10 ask further
m9mOcf
dom which trust no viii BE- good enough ans aer The
noble lord, Il tho outset Of this somewhat irregular iis
cufsion stated very correctly that short time ago he in
formed The House that he toll by the French govern
ment the Emperor Of France would not proceed annex
Savoy without consulting the grea. Powers Of Europe
the Emperor Of The French made in Paris Yesterday.
In which the language Is NJ follows :-"France
docs nct " sh 70 proceed TO this aggrand.zement,
however small 1t may be, either by military occu-
patton provoked insurFec;,oa, or by underhaut ma
nGuvres, but by frankly explaining tho question 70 the
10 TIE opincn OF her Majesty government there Is any
divergence from the language held fortnight ago In that
which 10 now employed or whether her Majesty govern
crt Of opinion that WHOM the Emperor OF the French
says he ptsnds 70 expaRn" the question the great
Powers he s sti inclined 70 "coDsu them previous to
the anbexacn for the Rouse VITA Al there 10
mpoI tant difference. you copnuls person, you may
be fairly presumed 10 be willing to act upon tho advice
which yoa receive; but you merely explain tAe motives
for act ia not apparcst that any opportunity for
advice vii be given or ff We gwen hss Is Al all likely
70 be followed Clear, hssr Therefore, should ike
Mseetys government put the more rccca language "a
compared With that Of fortnight ago the subject
Mr.. ". MINES {who % rising was received with much
lasgnter) ertreated tbs House, az this question
gravity, approach oousieratscn neither wholly
10 the spirit OF The honorable b.ronet member for
1smworai, nor la tt Of his honorable friend tho men,
Der for Birmingham. On question Of European intsres.
he believed the Hocse would not be dsug justice to hsc
ortbe country byany personal recrBainatsons or byTe
presenting that member had really 1t heart any de-
sire that the peace Of Europe should preserved
tChecYs) Thero was element which had been
strangely lost SIGHT OF, and without which IL
BILE 70 debate Or even to comprehend this question:
~ that Savoywas Dos essential nationality ITALY
u the proposals. for the establishment Of that Power
In Europe. he could not taink that any would heel
cate say that the hberatxn Of three nioas- peo-
pie In Lonbardy from he gske Of centuries end their
transference 10 = constitutional govcrnnent, was
wen worth The price now sought for. He 1 sIiaved
that the savoyese people generally wore not hostile
TO annexs.sn, and that ;hey would prefer 70 ioo .
TO them n language, and far analo-
gous 10 them regards their notions Of religion poll
tics He was Of opinion tsst this annexaon aight be
posing all other things 70 Sc right would BE- no unfair
compensation the 900 French lives antAe millions
Of ench money sacsiecd 10 procure the Independence
Lord j. RUSSELL cannot allow this discussion To close
without answering tho question Of the Sctls lord and
making some OBSERVATIONS what has occurred In the
Houee just now. The noble lord aeks whether under
stand that the Emperor Of the French merely "a
explain h case for the annexation Of Savoy, whether
he means consult the Powers OF Europe Upon read
ing the speech Of the Emperor Of the French, and
france has given, can have doubt that tho IN
tenon Of the Emperor OF the French 10 consult Krca
Powers Of Europe with respect to the annexation Of Savoy
Hear, hear) And new, the noble lord viii permit Il
let little consider what 10 the position Of heEmpcroI
Of the French Thk not question yeating solely 4
70 The position otFrance and her security IN Europe.
alleged BY great portion Of the French people, ad
dyDssssss from ne Emperors, that he sesTsndissm:
Of power beyond the Alps, ana The sdsn the king
dom Of Sardinia Of considerable territory, would nafe
France worse regards her security. end would enabo
the King Of Sardinia in case OF war and being engaged
the aide Of other Powers tire the Fre1ch
keep ARMIES the sde OF Savoyand Nice In or
der guard against the danger OF invasion. Wishing
he same security a. they hitherto hsve had s.snd
thinking that that security would be impaired by the
creation Of such Kingdom as ! have mentionsd, the
security OF France the consent OF the people Of Savoy
be obtained 70 that country TO France but 10
now that this ia the meaning Of the speech which has
just been pronounced that he wishes 70 consult the great
Powers Of Europe on that very annexation lHear,
hear) beg the House 70 consider that IL oannos be
matter Of indifference TO any ruler Of France what tho
opinion Of Europe generally and OF the great Powers upon
bis opinion I'm this very speech the Emperor Of the French
states that he going Savoyby way OF i-
tary conquest What docs that mean II that he u
not ready to encounter the eenera and die.
rs Of Earope but that he believes ,b Il his
lay such statements before The different Powers OF
Europe would enable him without reproach and with
from the government Of France thesesentment (Hear
hear ], as belonging 70 Of the Powers of Europe
Kat The snnesaOu Of syoy and the
occupation Of the paases OF the Alps would be more
threatening to Italy than the present situation Of affairs
threatening to FYancc (Hear, hear At the same time
must beg impress the House this further considers
ton The Powers Of Europe arc 70 be consulted but Eng
land Power which does not merely o0nsist Of the
ecutive but also Of the Grown and the rara
ment Of The United Kingdom therefore, should be faz
land shoVd not and pronounce its opinion buthere
u this 20 DO sad that We are 70 raise as think u,e
honorable member FOR Tamwcrsh seemed disposed 70 do
Ot8Cu48UUB
assertions tho place Of TRUTH and 70 suppose bad
tves the part of friendly sovereign te only eec& Of
debates carried IN such temper would DO 10 excite
passionate feeDge nosonly between The govern
Of France and the government Of England but be-
tween the people Of France and the people Of England
hear hear) and cannot conceive, however much tae
noble lord opposite may.vaupt his patriotism op-
posed 70 that Of the honorable member for Drming
thata could render service 70 E0GIand
cpdsavor to raise feelings which would necessarily lead
70 sentiments Of suspicion and hostility on the part Of
both countries Caesr hear It 10 from such featnga
the Emperor OF the French wrong this subject and
that be has proposed m annexation which be not
justified IN asking for (hear hsar) but say that this IL
question to be fairly considered, and there be
advantage 70 this country or % Europe IA making .
question Of anger and q calm confederation respect
70 AL tina: can b alleged on the one side and
the other. heerk) have stated that the Emperor
ofthc FreDch had declared haa after consulting with the
great Powers OF Europe and Obtaining wise the
Of tho people Of Savoy, be wished make this addition
70 hs domnsons, and upon H. Iheuvenst being applied