The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-12
NEW YORK HERALD, MONDAY H. 1seo-TRIPLE

past What have times past TO do with an age OF progress
ike the present. Never mind precedents. Never MIND
standing orders Go ahead with large and COMPREHENSIVE
MEASURES You are not to suppose that the authors 4
such schemes be subject to such rusty regulations"
0aushter) But had Mr. Pitt, in 1857, when be iitgo
euced the treaty Of commerce with France to the con'e
ration OF the House, had he no large and comgrehen,ve
with reference 70 the state OF this country at TIA!
nme-its revenue, lis population, and n general re-
Consolidation and reform Of Customs aud Excise may
be upon by far the greatest reform o. the KIDD
s ssa ss has may
idea the cfyrng Of this snlt9htenea age, and oay
e a, , !" &c ss 500 sI !s s
marvellous atscns Of ourday. Why the House may form
an deg YAat M I' laeors were ,saes as deaf Sa
House Thai the committee bad 70 90 ID his days into
policy into effect Mr.. Pin, therefore, had his large and
measure; but he old mot mix up tn any
sSsn T the House Of Commons & his day.
opportunity OF considering the treaty having proved and
passed In that committee the twenty resolutions that were
obtained that result than he iut oduced his Consolidation
Of Customs and Excae bill; the House went into commit
and he reported those resolutions 70 the committee,
and the committee had the opportunity Of Consider
ing The financial and fiscal portions Of his policy. Now,
let the House observe this, that during The time that Mr.
Pit introduced that treaty Of commerce with France IN
1851 there rot the slightest ausion to the effect
country. though IFS effect must have been consider
There was not the slightest ausion to his great and
?, M fiscal a,oo and hs s.S%
TO the committee upon that great bill the reso-
buttons which had been passed in the
Pit proposed bis commercial treaty. In March Mr. Pitt
ntroduced bis great Of financial reform. And
rs proposed up his budget thes, hear And ask the
house now, why are we TO be treated Inherently from the
ie Uws OF aaOea re-
FORM and then the budget brought forward In their nan
II ORDER and submitted 70 us in that manner cheerng)
uivpup annnI on.
portunes for matured deb and that criticism which
questions Of such imports aud Of such comphcssed
house why should We not follow III the p ut instance
the same course as the government Of l7s7f That
follow tia. course. appears to me thsi We shan re
move all the difficulty which members on both
es unjust feel apd s. 'n sn saa vson
in the mode in which those important questions have been
introduced 70 ", seems inevitable We shalfbe deprived
under cognizapce and criticism, which, 30 far as
Judge, viii otherwise be the case. lam At loss
make to the proposition with which shall conclude.
should be exceedingly glad could obtain my porpose
without askpg the house 10 assent to any amendment
The amendment that have put the paper one 10
cordance with the forms Of house, and have no other
oDc: IN il but to secure 70 the house an Opportunity Of
the privileges Of this house, and Of securing that right OF
debate which hitherto we have deemed SO important.
(CheeYs) ! said tnAt would make no observation
the policy provisions Of this treaty Of commerce, but
may be allowed to make remark-hrst, upon the
Instrument in which the reaut Of the egotaons placed
before And do because cannot help feeling
ss' poos which the house
Is placed upon tins matter generally (aear, hear).
Of believing have been silent recognising
the great ability an the honorable and eminent position
fairly gained this country BY the honorable member
have the satisfaction TO state that recognized his abilities
before they were acknowledge by her Majesty 3 mini
and before he rectved the appreciation Of those
sympathsDg stateemen with whom, Il seems s0me how
other, he is doomed never to be colleague. Qsugh
ter) But cannot but feel, and nov give the Of
the sentiment 10 the house, that most uasse sciec
hon on e pdrt Of the 0ouermento appoint, as their secret
a a,sdS as to- e re- w" "a:
most an,ctse thing 70 appoint Mr. coeicn as their secret
nptiaor should rejoice to see the honorable member
for Rochdale upon that bench pointing TO the ministerial
front in honorable and recognized position because
then should know that be was responsible for the
is imp,a1ie for me not 70 trccs n the treaty
J'Y Sox for Example here s are NO oSecSos e
this treaty do not make them myself nov, because to-
has IS IN Inc
destruction OF SOURCES Of revenue much wanted al this
6osu time ~ With
sacrifice Of revenue, because Mr. Cobden never at
fault in hs opinioDs-opepy frankly and honestly pro
for substitute the which he fores and he
has found that substitute In reduction Of our expeud
menp The estimates on the table prove that it Is not
bear, hear)-and am quite sure that upon this sub
jec they shared the opinions Of the secret negotiaor
they would soon forfeit the confidence of the House
of Commons (Hear, hear.) Then, again, there
upOn which there has been ans
upon which Mr.. Golden has most decided opinion, and
hat upon beieerent rights. 1t Is the opinion Of some
hat the rights OF beligerents very lightly treated
under this treaty but 1t is perfectly consistent with Mr.
Cobdens expressed opinions that be should not guard
those rights which he has himsen always denounced.
ear, hear Now, so far with regard TO the character
Of the negotiator. Let say one word to the
very night to whether this reciprocity treaty
not The subject is not exhausted, and hope there
Mnters as trust they viii consent to the sugcs stions
embodied in my observations. But If ii be reciprocity
treaty. then must say that reciprocity was ne yer less
is not reciprocity treaty, then lind satisfactory
why these negotiations should have this con-
satisfactory cause; but should be in error were to
that has arisen. The noble lord the First
us reason for these matters under negotiation
taking the form Of treaty. The noble lord
constitution that PECULIARLY being ths-thAs the sove.
reign Of France can enter into treaties Of this nature
though they are in transactions which 90 much affect The
taxation Of the country aear, hear Now sir, during
@ on Ai assn
atye Chamber Of France: make rule sir, 70 speak
with unaffected respect Of the constituted authorities OF
general rule that they would constituted we're
they not adapted the exgences OF the time and to the
character OF the people among Wnom tney exist But,
sir with respect 70 the Leghlaiive Chamber Of France
am surprised that any gentlemen who are what called
advanced lberals should either speak in dparagement
Of that body exu that they have had the opporu
nifty Of exercising their functions. Tie Legislative Cham
tr Of Ftanee IS elected BY rnire,sal suffrage. ronical
cheers from the opposition benches) ne Lsgslahce
Chom1r Of France Is chosen By bdlIL (Renewed cheers
are sc1 70 their seats from deczral disix& Cheer.
ing and lauehter And they be salared members Why
when advanced opinions arc triumphant it will be
recognized that they have only anticipated the idea
British member Of Parliament (Isenewed cheering.)
But, sir possibly give opinion upon the mstterthe
Legislative Chamber Of France may be inferior in po
lica fagacty or in legislative skill may he that they
have not that high senee Of political liberty which
opinion and have often expressed tin the old countries
Of Europe political liberty and aristocracy nsepaabe
(OpE osion cheers But sir this cannot be denied that
body Of men, elected under such crcu instances, and
uundor AZ 1euct