The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-12


the First Minister said the other night "Or course
be House will be asked % give their opinion on The
~" Now cir, want 10 know In what way we are give
at opinion assuming ~ have throughout all these oh
vstons assumed that the Of conducting business
Indicated by her Majesty government pursued and that
60 INTO nAtte the Customs ACTS and pass ali these
missions cad reductions OF duty necessary 10 enable the
to complete her engagements with the Emperor of
DE FIeDehY lHsar hear ! want % know from the
what way her Aajesys government proposes bring
the treaty OF with France before the cognisance
and criticism of this House Hear, hesr win the noble
lord the FIRST Minister give notice OF address the
Queen after all these reducuons and remiesions have
been NADER Does the noble lord propose to give
notice Of an address to the Queen assuring her Ma
jesy that shall lose time in taking measures
ments with he Emperor Of the FrepchY In the asst
place, II will be very difcultl believe Il perfectly
precedented under any crcumsances-for the House Of
Commons address the Queen treaty when Der Ma
esy has not been advised 70 condescend
Houie Of Commons II may be said that II was i'm
This treaty Of being ratified; but similar case
find, in the treaty OF commerce which negotiated q,
Uuch that negotiated while Parliament sitting,
and could not be from the throne q opening
Of the House; Blu: then message from her Majesty Queen
Anne brought to the House to inform Of what had
occurred and that course led TO communications which
were In every respect constitutional according TO par
ismentary custom But We need not back to that dis
ant period 1t only but yestercayt rs in the expert
Of two thirds OF the mbers Of the House.
that most gracious Sovereign entered into treaty
with the King Of Sardinia while parliament sitting
the N1Dntef Drought GOWN me8eo&e from
which invited ioya and dutiful response. think
would be very difficult for the noble lord-All those
remssioDs and Reductions having taken place-to pro-
pcse address TO the Crown 70 inform her Majesty that
we prepared 70 carry the treaty into eject The
noble lord may think that that would be the time
TO ssvs her sr 70 @ ne the Ho S ne
peculiar and delicate character and should be The rery
frt not to d them om1ate into mere formally Hear
annsuneino at she had concluded tyeaty ,ta tie En-
percr Of ne French, and iH,fng consideration TO 1t,
and o.v erentng her Acesty ne mean. q carry into
her Monsters that ue had parted Nth all those prriegs
Parliament wheh secured our constitutional control
treaties, would be q course which think Minister
would be jus lied in advising bis sovereign 10 follow and
would be at the time mockery 70 the Crown aud
need not say an insult to the Commons OF United
Kingdom great Minister, waom shall have TO quote
in some subsequent remarks has touched, think with
great ecquence and truth upon the true union winch may
the privileges Of Parliament upon this important subject
Of treaties. (Hear.) He said, ait ID the happy crcum
stance Of constitution that gives 10 the Gown the
sole prerogave Of negotiating and concluding treaties
but gives the judgment, the revision and the execution
Of thote treaties to the privileges Of the people, (Hear
hear) But want TO know how We can have Judgment
how enjoy revision, and how exercise
troll to execute the I'D mnhraton Of treaty, If We have
already parted with those privileges the possession and
the exercise Of which FORM we're the prvty between
the House and the prerogayes Of the Crown There
yet another course by which the noble lord might
before the consideration Of the House OF Commons The
noble lord might say, or might have thought that was
n :" ,he Sso Act, benp 1--WE mo
lice that particular day he would call upon the House
to consider the treaty OF commerce with France. Well
suppose the noble lord gave that notice. how would
he act upon He could not into committee to
slider the treaty, because already he has wasted all the
reasons which authorized the House 70 into the
mittee. There Is nothing for the House TO decide upon
regards q committee. In every financial and fiscal
question vote would have been arrived At But could
the noble lord then propose resolution that the Houee
sanction the treaty? apprehend that the noble lord
to take such courfe he would clearly be taking
q course that would outrage the prefogatve OF the
Crown. Ha would not ask the House or Commons 70
ction treaty already ratified by his sovereign, and
therefore, il the noble lord gave that notice, cannot
conceive, he has exhausted his Committee on the Gus
toms ACis-I cannot conceive what he would ind to do
when the House met to listen These the main
which have induced me 70 come to the conclusion
tina. the House persists the present order Of public
busness this treaty OF commerce with France will really
never be submitt to their constitutional CONTROL and
the House this evening to whether there
come means by which can extrcate ourselves from
position difficult and for the House should say hu
initiating, as that which now unntentonally--I doubt
not The part Of the government-appear TO me TO oc
cupy think there such means, simple and eilca
cous by which we can exricate ourselves from this IN
satisfactory position, and which in my opinion the House
ought TO adopt think cAAdo better, in the pre-
sent state Of affairs, than follow thoee preceddhts With
which the wisdom and experience OF predecessors
have furnished There several preceden's whc,
apply the present Of public business Of the House
Glonica lies OF ''Hear, hearty But don't wac,
the Details for this reasonbecausc there Is precedent
which from its paure IL so apt and memorable, which
80 illustfious that quite tina. the house
will give their consideration to tha, precedent and 10 the
OF proceeding whch pursued by Parliament in
the prime period Of is reputation they viii obtain guide
not only in the present position Of these questions but In
any combination Of difficulties which may arise from pro
baby the prolonged debates the questions before
have already referred TO that prece lent in the
yersat Friday but vsry hastily and very imperfect
y. II the House will permit me will put succinct
y but hope early before the House what took place
with respect to the treaty Of 1885, and appears to
that in right appreciation Of theee circumstances we
al me we Rem barr Cur
selves Of all those difficulties which have already and
which, we do not take that course, will, In my
that the treaty OF commerce between England and
France, negotiated in 1856, negotiated In the
in the month of October published throughout Ea
rope. Parliament did not meet till the last week in Janu
ary and therefore for four months that treaty and all it,
had been in the mouth ana In the mind OF
many Hear. hear In February, think or
previously brought up the treaty by command as the no
bic Secretary Of State did the other nght give notice
that on The i2h Of that month ebruary he should call
commerce with France, alottiDg ten days for the
siderauon Of document which for four months had
of its defects had been discovered, and Mr. Pitt had
even negotiated supplementary treaty by which those
the honorable member for Fnsbury nav avail himself or
(IAughter.) Let the House remember that when the
Parliament met the Sovereign had announced tn negoti
Ia not case thus far Mr.. Fox Immediately arose
against this proposition Of Mr. Pitt ans protested against
1 D sSsu
fed We have not the advantage Of the elaboration and
criticism Of four months On the contrary, Is only by
a miracle that, the budget having been introduced on
Friday not cal cd on 70 de side the wing
Thursday. Hear. hear) And think thu. all that has
occurred upon these large transactions thus far has fairly
shown that was mot irrational when pressed on the
House the Importance Of delay and the absolute necessity
Of giving us time to consider in what we had
best deal with the propositions of such magni-
tude. (Hear, hear) Well, upon the l2h Of
February, Mr.. Pitt called the attention Of the
Home OF Commons, which had on his motion
moved into q committee of the whole House-he called
the attention Of the committee TO the consideration the
French treaty, In ample and able speech. in which
he considered the instrument both commercially and
politically, and he concluded his speech by moving
luton Now, str that resolution the first Of twenty re-
solutions which Mr. Pitt had prepared, and these resolu
donele call the attention Of the House particularly
to this act-these resolutions not resolutions similar
to those which the Chancellor Of the ExcheQuer has
placed on the paper in order that they may be moved
in the committee the Customs acts They general
nv tha