The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-01-13

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cd that he removed from the Commit - A. ro.,,,o
off ring from The majority that b. shant pe,a ocn -
DC ehs1 man OF ,s -. csn.iaittee.
MI. E.,arAs-i "a DO, know vet that ho,d onn,ors
cU Os esa''.sss ey the majority believe hold
Of the Union. i believe that I can |
show nom the record that majority Of the ssnsse at
that time understood the Kansas Nebraska bill as il was
framed am prepared " show, also, that the difference
Of opinion was no cause In discrimination in the form
: :as d. sass j. the s N
that the question put to Mr. RcN - BILL passed,
,o. IS% Diss Tor Speaker he sonsh ns Demo
enactment durisg exclude slavery BY Territorie,
Fin Fin. w Mtri.orlai existenee and To-. ,on :.
me- uber bp: three voted for swer every
.sa Ts,,;,oy;al opes,ion, Am as sound on
Mr. DAy,s-I 90 not know wb'' 81.
power Of TERRITORIAL Senator's opinion upon the
cause by the des Ho ~ M mSS useea - M os
ton OF ehsr" N If the Committee on Territories say
Va o.e to themselves and due to the Senator.
~. DorGIAs-l have never complained. ! never IN
tended TO audc Tn IL In this body hut do the
cord shows that the Senate knew eleven years ago that
held the Identical opinions alleged the Of nay
removal and during the eleven years. with a knowledge
OF these opinions repeated and again within
the hearing Of every member of this bodyl say for
eleven years, by unanimous VOTE was put chairman OF
that committee. But was removed, AMI the cause
signed Is that hold tho identical opinions held for the
proved, II will show that those who removed me had
charged their opinions snce eleven years ago. not
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world tofhow that have changed . hairs breadth
that question during that eleven years II shows that the
charged my opinions
Mr. GnTsI will ask the Senator from Illinois whether
1856 mistaken in believing that he held that the
power to prohibit slavery In the Territories was Judicial
question: to be left judicial question, and 10 be sub
mitted to az judicial question:
Mr " JurjtI bpoyt II
Nj. GREH-At that time there difference OF
opinion between democrats whether Congress could by
or indirectly, not and did that never in his
whole ffe never during the eleven years TO which he
aert until the eeport Speech that Congress bad not the
power and the Territory had. When the Drei Scott
cson was rendered We supposed that the whole question
would be settled and give peace forever Therefore ths
resfaement OF the strikes with astonishment and
we feel regret
Mr. DoueIAs-In 1856 said that was Judicial ques.
have always said since 1855. declared in my Illinois
speeches that was judicial question, and have de-
cared the same thing in every publication that have
made for the last two years. l assert that il is
judicial question The point is that it was want Of
soundness in principles that held side Of the judicial
question while others held the other but that the
Senate did know that held that side Of the Judicial ques
ton. And more have always said that would abide
by the decision Of the Supreme Court But take the law
expounded by the Court. received the bred Scott
decision authoritative exposition, but deny that
this has been decided under the bred Scott decision
arisen The lawyers dreamed that could arise and
is offensive and injurious the reputation Of the Court
gued before the court II would have been d,araceru
the court had decided what not before IT, Whenever
the Territorial Legislature passed enactment prohibiting
slavery the Supreme Court could decide the question: and
he could respect the decision He would then help TO
carry out In good faith. That was the understanding
when the Nebraska bill passed He did not believe the
decision Of the Court would be against his views.
Mr. GRKEN stated his views TO the understanding at
the time OF the passage Of the Kansas BILL and said the
dor
sition.
M DorerAs replied tina. the word "dare" was unne-
dared assert the truth Hethought he
opinions had been as well the Senator from Missouri
Senators had all gotten through with the bills Of indic
ment against him, he would fire At them In lump.
Mr. GsEss Ss.cS;sdyl-TSs senator can Gre away
or individually. There q one individual who ready 70
meet him At phllippi know and assert that no man
than Congress until the Freeport speech.
Mr.. PrGH resumedh was easy to thrust personal feel
ing and personal assaults into the controversy This had
been by the Senator from Mississippi and initiated
by the Senator from Missouri He commended that the
power Of the people Of the Territories still open
question When II was decided by the courts he was
ready to obey The whole controversy had been thrust
upon the Senator from Illinois and himself under circum.
If they continued 70 be pressed in this manner
the fate Of the democratic party sealed The ques.
ton hal been thrust forward by the President in
sage by the Vice President in bis address the egsa
ture, and this floor he referred to Executive dica-
oD and the attempt TO free BY cuog off the
heads Of postmasters and custom house officers. The
enator from Georgia wanted law passed to enable
aves to be held n the Terroriesi defiance law
listed the Charleston sustaining this demand
that the sentiment Of the Southern delegaes he
oped they would say the 1rst day OF the Conven
on He cared nothing for the threats of opposition to
he nominee made by the Senator from Georgia econ
nded by debating his determination a delegate 10
hareston to support his present views insisted that
the prescription against his branch Of the party must
cease
Mr. DoccrAs said the state Of bis health would not per-
ma. him 70 engage II lengthy debate When his assal
Mr. DAVIS thought the Senator from Illinois exalted him.
self above his level when he supposed was necessary
that combination should be forced against him. As to
going at them in lump be had better try to get through
with one of them.
Mr.. DOUGLAS would institute no comparison between
bmse and the Senator 10 the modesty Of their bear
ing. he had been assaled while lying on sick bed as
rotten by one who confessed rotenness twelve ago
He had no assaults to make on any He had no
fondness for controversy His position was purely deen
sive.
Senator (Douglas) had changed his views In 1850 he
voted for the Wlmot proviso. He (Cay) would have
extended to him the right hand of fellowship as demo.
crat, he had not believed he had changed his views
His complaints Of assaults and combination against him,
looked Ike seeking popular sympathy, which he
feared that the Senator was like Ceou, who rushed
into the market place exhibiting selfinfcted wounds
to excite sympathy and secure protection.
Mr.. DorGIAs denied seeking popular sympathv He
never would have alluded to his deposition from the
Craftsmanship Of the Committee Territories If IL had not
tor from Alabama TO criticise his democracy He did not
think the Senator's opposition would affect his vote
in Alabama He never had made speeches to the
effect that he would bolt the nomination a
the Convention unless his selected The sena-
tor by his had put himself outside Of the
democratic party. II the Senator did not extend
the right band Of political fellowship no would
survive the stroke. II he happened to be nomi-
mated Of Charleston, he would consider the
Senator from Alabama much honored by his
accepting his vote as he would be in receiving IT, he
Mr Dougas) did not court the nomination at Charleston
He would not accept except upon platform Conforming
TO his views. He would never commit the meanncs Of
being elected on platform and kick over Afterwards
He believed two thirds Of the democracy Of the country
were with him. His removal from the Committee on Ter
rtorcs must have been meant proclamation to the
world that no one holding his opinions M Chair
man. II the proscriphve tests to be applied what
chance was there 70 elect democratic candidate He
would not say he WAS unwilling 10 support democratic
nominee who differed with him.
Mr. DAVIS said he had no objection 70 Mr. Douglas M
democrat except on this particular point He was willing
to give him the Craftsmanship Of his committee
Mr.. GREES-So am l.
Mr. DOUGLAS said that he could not under the circum.
stances take the charmapshp OF any other Committee
For eleven years his opinions been no
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