The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-04-17

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Mr. FIRs-ws DO uos propose = exoluds s.avsAsIdsss
II AoClMroW-I an Ast speaking q the subsassts,
but o. The Ere thas rule proposes - exclude
Dr.. MoCInr0x-I II does not. cannot undorstand H.
Ssveholdng is EN- thss ths proposition which y ses
b ell we'll and good Tho Wesleyan Mstboosss IN Rag
land adhered precisely to the ouad Which called tins
valve o. old 'ogy ground On shs subject up y
louder than any OF those utterances with which Ter
thousand pears EDgisno had been wont 70 electry tho
seenen Up 70 .hsi hour the WesIssss So;ho sss ,ocs
held slaves and slavehoders That was the history
ae reed IN article from the Wathmss, the orgaa Of
vas noe making tolead the Enslsh church TO take
ton upon Amercap slavery. The Wrter-Rev Luke II
wsemsnssd that tho exclusion Of COO Shareholders
from the Church would resArd rather than accelerate
CAUSE OF freedom The voice OF the three millions OF tho
oppreeseo had reached the throne 0f God, and had
SO be dared step whish would shut on. from
The ministry OF the Methodist church fifteen dfty thou
ssud saves Another voice cawo up 70 shem from six
we're Shareholders, and they said, "Iet us alone
Lei us live unoer tho vine and fg-tree which
Wesley planted, and God had plendfuIly wasered"
The church might have . few men hoggers 10 IL, but
where vas tho church that hao not snners IN Hs bad
been associated Nth Sou,herners but he had not met
Of them Americans Of the old school wsshogtoa
and Jefferson, and shere was many . slsveholder Who
was better than he vas: They did mot believe IN the
could not get OUT they could change Law
OF the State and 40 away with existing institutions Ia
nomest, and with the pressure of mighty, potent,
alarming public opinion coming down upon them What
did brethren propose He could not vote for any OF
the proposed cbanges for the that be NO.
wiling 10 60 into Maryland and Virginia TO the
Law changed. He would put upon the shoulders Of
those dear brethren burden heavy To be borne He
woulo not touch Il sih his little finger (vo,ces-Ncver
He (he spesker) fifteen years ago pro Csed change Of
rule which was practicable then; put 1t imprac
bic he was opposed to 1t now. He ready To wait for
Providence awhile. This iDtmaron was considered
doughfaoed statement The modest Illustration Of q
mans trust In Goa that which enabled him TO say
81 have waited patiently for the Lord" and thore
aged many fearful, trembling that could
not Gee their way out Of brstng and nv,ncibe difficult
ties "Ihey also serve who only stand and wait" Now
the time for watt and he trusted that the Ns~
York ConiereCce would act upon this substitute clearly
and unm's'akaby. He hoped they would stand by their
lucky, and uphold and pray for them BE trusted the
members OF the Conference would vote the substitute
down.
Rev Mr.. CRAWFORD replied to the las. speaker He
said II MoCn;ocks logic dangerous bis rhetoris
be die not know what would become of The buster
soGnt the moral elect Of the original rule amounted TO
mako the present rule more explicit. What they asked
vas that the General Conference shoud exclude from the
church shareholders who held slaves for selfish purposes
Be wanted done in the easiest and best way but he
was opposed to needless Legislation He narrated facts TO
show that the condition Of slavery on the border
was different from what had been represented by
other speakers. He had been informed by q
member or the Philadelphia Conference, that II q
committee might be raised by the minister: but the
brethren ead they would exercise their right N clear
him. The speaker mentioned an Instance Of girl going
up 70 garrett snd cutting her thr0s TO prevent her from
being cold to 90 South, aud said that such
were sufficient to arouse nation. hso done He
desired TO have selfish slAv excluded from the
church The who held slave for merceuary pur.
poae was sinner and he denied the right of any
to hold man property He denied that chae slavery
was recognize In the Word Of Goa, but sesvitude was
Rev. Mr.. KrRL asked M. Crawford the difference be-
tween slavery and chattel slavery.
Mr. CRAWFORD asserted that God never sanctioned tho
holding Of n en- as "thngs"
Mr. KxrSL asked MIR. Crawford II hs wanted him to
Mr. CRAwFoRD-we have had enough Of that It was
good-thst Is to say, good In Pckwickian seuse but
considered IL very bsa teaching the demands made by
the border churches unjust aud he protested against
any movement which prescribed the North when they
to utter their sentiments. The voice Of tho New
York Conference to the General Conference wasdo away
with savehodipg q soon and a. quietly you can, for
We believe 1t 70 be sin There very little moral
significance IN the Erie rule aao therefore he in favor
Of presenting the substitute for the action Of the General
A. The conclusion Of his speech there loud cries Of
"VOte, vOe."
Dr. STRICKLAND protested against speech making, for
It were allowed he wanted to make speech He said he
would urge the previous question Amid great confusion
Rev. W. O. SMITH thought the substitute asked for
change IN the phrsseology OF the rule deemed It's IN
PRODUCTION Ill timed.
Rev. Mr. VINCENT and others asked for vote
Rev. f. W. NNGER represented the anti slavery ele-
meDt Of the German church He Swiss By birth,
and in the language tee fosnders OF that repub
ic, "make way for freedom" He regarded il shame
hat there were some German ministers who sympathzed
With slavery, and he could net believe that God would
,ess the hbors Of those he had to hear of the
rst German stakeholder 1t bad been said that the adop
Id not think 60 for the oon OF change in this re-
pect would be only like expeiog SINNER. who long
me had succeeded in retaining his connection with the
vas opposed to slavery although conservative.
DR. STRICKLAND asked thai the should be taken by
1ess and nays, which adopted
The Bishop then put the question tbs acceptance of
he substitute in the place Of the Ere resolution which,
BY It's adoption, would settle the whole question
who answered "yee or "no," as they called. The
most intense excitement was exhibited by the
ministers and the audience while the vote was
being taken AS II was perceived that the vote
was very close, the President was asked If
members could change their before the decision
was announced. He replied ia the affirmative The vote
stood 80 ayes aud 81 payshus rejecting Mr. Ferris sub
stitute When the result vas announced there vas
attempt at applause, which was suppressed
the Eric resolution, which seconded The following
Are the Of those who voted upon resolution
Asss Sas%. Bese4
s. Zero c9s% es soss c9 H
ron Hunt X BUM, hcHerr Lindsay Lyman Mct,omber,
Morehouse NcKown Ebert Cshorn Palmer Parker, scoby
Seohenss Thompson. 7owuseno. whea'ley. whsaker, b
h4rsasev Messr. Abs.ly, AGebsrs, Zimmerman, pstss
Birch Blake VIM Boomer, Brown pnrger, Campbell Chad
wick. chip VIM CLARK L Clsrt d W Clark Corb, Crsv
nsse ess
FS % EssD: 5 F req Fs0,Gn
Goss, Jno W Cora ehss Cos. : Grifno Grimm, Hare
Nkershort, Hearne Herman Bolmes Huff Harris, Ives
lost Kesll K,ee King, Kinsg a Knapp, kesphum, Il
auont Lamont, Lent Laws, Lodge Lcunsbury Iliz
yhss Lyon, Maria Motlntcek, Meade Gcede Msssier
Illsr Molyres Newman Nichols, p Newman Oakley
)aborne osrapder Orchard, Peck Prenss PosAl Rice
,cbsfer, sing, w Smith, r smith 9 Smith W
nih Slid stwell styics.nd, Swallow ruhi Haze Van
.eusen Van Deuseh, Van Gssorck. Vincent wakeley,
srd, Wallow Wardel Washbcupe Wood, Werk. q Wood
worth, Wright Winans, Zmme rmsD-l2
On motion Of Dr. MCCiINIocK the record kept ooen
order that those who hot present might record
heir votes In the morning, which was carrier
The BISHOP stated that the Conference could send nine
eegates the General Conference and their appoint
nent made the special order for tuesday, at ten
CLOCK.
The Conference then adjourned.
The New York East Conference ut stam-