New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1860-01-13

aetary OF State, and himself, the Senator from
InoIs thought thy did not mp the true standard
of Squsiler Sovereignty. lie, therefore, was aware
that the nator at that penOd entertained the doc
irine Of SquatIer Sovereignty in ali ne length aud
breadth.
Mr.. DOUGLAS said he did not with to enter into
controversy wrh the Senator from iseissippi and
az COgzec 10 the Senator from OHIO for taking mp hs
tunes but he would say thai he held then precisely the
sane opinions lac does ROW.
Mr.. DAVIS admitted that he held then the same
opinions al nov, bat he thought there was inter-
meoate period when the Senator was nearer right.
lie nsidered him sound about the period OF the
ebt Of the Kansas and Nebraska bill than at the
other time
Mr.. DOUGLAS said when the question came up he
would show at that ums, the very night tue Kansas
and Nebraska bill passe, he said the cole obstacle
the repeal Ot the Missouri restriction that the peo
pie OF The Territory might exclude Slavery there. No
msn who heard him then could have the excuse for
not know ing that he held that the Territorial Legisa-
tnre could do il.
Mr. DAVIS said he did Dot doubt the Senator's
recollection. He, himself was not present al that
time.
cir. DOUGLAS hoped he would not then express
an opinion as to bis sOuudness.
Mr.. DAVIS esid he expire reed opinion as to that
particular speech but he did net waut 70 appear III the
character Of ind0fser 10 the Senator OF Illinois, Tor
lorg time, and now, obiectng TO him. lie regretted
be was not continued az chairmsn Of the Committee
Territories, though perhaps holding opGiOns not held
q
Mr. DOU&IAS-i do not know as hold opinions
not entertained by majority OF The people. believe
hold opinions entertained by three to1rths OF the
Democracy Of the nation believe | can show
from the record that n maturity OF the Democ-
raey OF The Senate at thai tune understood
the KansasNebraska bill as did then, and
do now. l viii show You that, IN the House
OF Representatives when that bill passed the question
was put to Col. KicbaIdson whether the Territorial
Legislature could exclude Slavery BY Territorial enact
mcnt lie answered the question writing and after
that answer every Southern Member but three voted
f,s him as sOuud the Territorial question.
Mr. DAVIS said lie did not know wkst toe Senator
might be able prove, but N .lority OF the Demo
cratic Senator'S til TO ham from the char
napsbip of committee bee lase be aid not represent
TIE vie Ne of The party, they bad right 80 10 do.
Mr. DOUGLAS-1baye never comp aimed OF my re-
mOval from that COmmtee; | never intended to utter
WoId that subjects but do assert that the Senate
knew tor eeven earn thai held the identical oplnons
which are now alleg ed us for my removal Dur
ing those eleven years repeated these opinions over
aud over again III the hearing of every member OF this
body andior eleven years was put in AS Chairman OF
tlai Committee bv a unanimous vote. But,
at the end of eleven years, L was removed,
ard the cause assigned IL, thai j held the Identical
opinions that i had Expressed for eleven year,
Now what does it prove Why, that those
who remoy cd me changed at tbs eDd oi eleven years.
and was not sound bueause had not changed aseud
denly ar they did. MY only oltnss consists IN fidelity
! to PRINCIPLES which had avOwed for eleven years =
and challenge the world 10 chow thai had changed
YEAR, Hence if bad oecowe different from tue ma
lUrly The majority have changed their pocy Tor
/ / did nos change ny opinion 49,
Mr. GREEN said tnai IN sc the Senator from ILL.,
nos had agreed TO snhmif the question whether Con-
Gress bad tie power prohibit Slavery ~ Judicial
one and it was lett Judicial question. AZ that
time theIe was q difference among Democrats whether
Cuusress had the power 10 prvn0il Slavery ~ tue
Territory OF not; hH that never, Ill bis Whole
life nei neT in eleven years in the years th Al
have pred since did lie ssfet, until the treePoft
speech that Congress had not the power ana tn@ the
Territory bad mo power thai Congress. Ii was Tire
first time sfer the bred Scott decision, when we snp-
| posed the whole question was settled; and this new
res alruent OF ts strikss with astOniohucut.
| Mr. DOUGLAS-in 1SJ6 did say il wac Judicial
uuesiiOn-said It and over again. and since tnen
alrO declared ii ia ny lnUs speeches, and every
s, eech have made during the lurt yea aud assert
il IL Judicial question. IL wac no WANT OF sound
nese that held outside OF the Judicial quesllon All
de Senate knew which side be held He reot wed the
bred Scott decision authoritative, but DENIED that
tbs case was decid,d that u arose. Tue lawyers
never dreamed of It, and offensive to the Court to
s,,urose they would decide questions OF sHeh magni-
| tuoe without its being argued. When the Kansas
Nebraska bill WIS passed they had le this question
10 he decided when should arise, and be decided ny
the Court. BE would abide by the decision, ana ne p
| cary il out He asseried that the never had
! arisen Ii he was wrong let it come up again, ana
the eouJ would decide III the came way; but, II he
WIGS right let il be argued und see how they "ouiu
1 declde.
! MIR. GREEN SAID they all agreed TO abide by the
dee Of the Suprf me Quart and be asserted that
pelrer the q nator from Illinois any other nIau
evtr cCDtended if Congress aid Lot have the power,
,tat the Territory did.
| MIR DOUGLAS contended he had always said the
| Territorial Legislature had it. He thought II wac
reeglzrd by the Constitution of tue United states as
BEN z lese1vco to the people
| Mr. GkEEN-l mean exactly az say, and be dare
| not cCnuOyef II.
| MIR DOUGLAS-The word dare il unnecessary; 7
dare assert the truth always. think know my own
opinions as we'll ss he does. willing be sloud
make bis assault and every other who desires 10
do IT, ans when they get through ! will fire at the
lump. will Lot 20 INTO discussion with these gen
IleIBen separately, my health viii not permit III bu,
II there dpOsitiOn im each record, let them all
pet through their impeachmoDts, aid will reply.
| Mr. GREEN-1ie senator from Illinois may lire al
| the lump whenever its suits his convenience tie VIII
find not only the lump but individuals who are ready
to meet hun at Philip. Mr.. Green sa'd that he knew
that the decision OF the bred Scott case was the oph-
ion " the Court, and he knew nO man claimed any
MOI power Tor the Territory hsn Congress possessed.
He knew they did decide that Congress had no power to
Or, hbr Slavery aud these appeaie from the decision
uf The CONT seemed only 10 be exciting pnbc preu-
| dice, whether by design ol NOS lac could not ray.
Mr. PUGH r, sumed-lt was easy ~ thrust personal
feeling and personal assaults into the controversy.
This had been done by tue Senator from NJ srissipp
and initiated by tie Senator from Missouri. lie CON
tcnde that the power Of the people OF te Territories
! was still an open question. When II was decided by
the C0nts he was ready to obey. The whole cnutro-
very had been thrust upon the Senator from Illinois
| and himself under circumstances OF outrage and
indoliiy which had 10 be met. II they continued TO
be pressed in this manner The fate OF the Democratic
raIiy was seal.d The question bad been thrust Tor
ward b, the President in ms Message, by inc VICE
President IN his address tho Legislature and on this
floor He reerIed 10 Executive dictauon anu tue al
ton ut 10 c,,eice free Iuen by cutting oil the heads oil
| Pnsimas.rs aud Custom. Houee officers. The Senator