The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-24

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iss Mar. sa' s sss' Vi. , hat After yes
rom two to three years. How long had had you
been living on Franklin avenue when you 1rst
should sss sss.sn two with 'u,s
years; over two years. Q Da Jon live on Franklin ave.
nue. when ssss tDIgs Of which you have spoken
A. Ipeieve rot, sir; cannot exactly recolec. the day
and date. O Have yoa seen the plain since abe lived
she left Kent avenue that last saw her? A. could
say. @ How many times did You say that you haven
taken the Liberties mentioned with pla'nt, TO witt the
liberties Of placing your hand her private person. A.
Twice. Q Is that The fact thai you had done 80 twice?
A. Yes, sir O. where did that oocurf A. Once in her
fathers house and once 10 Mr.. Waecars Q Did any
thing efe occur at the time you did 90 1t her fathers
i nouses A. ] put my band in Der bosom 9. Did any.
question Q mean at the time that you were at hor
fathers house the first time with herr A. No, SRI did
time At her fathers bouse O. AT which time did
you st take imp oper liberties with her at her fathers
Can you state which il was, whether the So
sond or thidY A. think n was the third time TO the
MI ssr .. s,a had any inter
twer that question. That does not make you state
that you had such Intercourse but ask you you
answer that Wen, sir, on your oath, did you in
our life have Illicit intercourse at any time aud At any
place with ue plant ny A I refuse TO answer.
The plaintiffs counsel here requests the Commissioner
10 compel the witness 10 the last question The
Commissioner informs plainus counsel that be has no
fuct the witness upon bis duties under the oath he has
taken witness In this case and does Instruct him.
whereupon the winners says IL refuse TO answer that
question:"
Q. Do you BY your refusal 10 answer TO convey
the idea that you would cTinipate yourself you
swered the last question in the afrmatves A. refuse
10 answer that Q. Do you mean by the refusal 10
swer me second previous question % ave the
TO tbem that you did have such Illicit intercourse? A.
refuse to answer that Q Hav'nt you said once or
oener that you had ysur hands upon her person
but oncey A. No. sir. O HAv'nt said that had
yonr hands upon her person. but that could not
A. think ssd two or three times O. Where did you
first become acquainted With The planiidY A. On Kent
Avenue Hor long Old you live on Rent avenue be-
don't recolect. Q. About how lopsf A. don't recol-
ect. Q How long did you 1--we Kent after You
say that you lived in Kent three years be-
fore you married your fret wes A. Not that recoect
cay 60 IL was true as near q / could recollect It
as lear nc could get at II 1t the time How
interview when you took the liberties with psinn :. her
fahers horse as you stated on your direct examination
A. Icant say. g About how iongs A. Icould nos say
over that Q Was il year, A. II might be- Q II
might be number Of years, but cannot you tell hoy
was one year What was one YEAR, A moan s he
time that elapsed between those liberties at her athers
noSs1 ana h my ns m'ee Vas PROBABLY yssM
first marriage that those liberties occurred at wascals
houssY A refuse TO answer that Q wbyf A. Ido
not wish to answer It, O. Which occurred frst the Bber
ties taken at her fathers house, those taken n Was
calls hosseS A. Those taken at her fnthers house.
bow long, whether II during the same A
cannot cay how long Q. How long was 1t before you
were arred that you took the liberties with plaintiff at
wasesll's house9 l. I refuse o answer Q Do il os-
cur previous to your marrageg A. refuse 70
The liberties you took With plsiata at scais S. Al
bsye not raid So g Were not there two rooms to Was
calls house, s A There we're two rooms; there was
szeS A.. think not @ What was the sSe Of the
lsreest Of the twos A. Not very large don't recollect
the size. Was the large the sitting room? A. twas,
Q. What furniture vas there in S Avery ltte chair or
two and bunk the bunk bed whatever you call il
Being poor man, suppose he (wsscal) did not have
any other bedsead there than that bunk did hea Not
at that tme When did he ever have any otherf A.
don't recoect Of his ever having any other Where
did that bunk bed stand IN the rooY A. On the north
side Of the house Was the door shut between the two
No, sr. Q. Why did you not shut the door, A. don't
know that there was door 70 H. @ DID you tate any
old could not speak positively. @ Did you between
1888 and ls4os A. can't rccoect the dates, sir, and
D % s not
Dd y you not :y Gown with her IN The bunk !: Was
on do pythDg mores A. put my hand On her person
G. DID you then have any Illicit interco with herr A.
you ever lay upon bed or bunk with her more than
cnoeg A. No, sir. Q Did you feel her person at
her fathers house than once9 A. Yes sir Didn't
you FAY You did moro than once 1t her fathers
ouseF A. Not that know Of O. where was The balance
q the family when you did % 2. her f.shers houses A.
No, sir. O. Was there bed therea A. No, sir What
roem fher fathers house 4 Don'treooaect Dontyou
recoect anything you eaid 70 her, abe % your We
% aas.on We. d seu any S
plaintiff prior to 1887 A. Don't know thaS took suy
H.. wSs % 70 1ss
fuse TO answer thatf Because cannot be positive TO
the year You cannot be positive to the year Of whatp
A. Cannot be posye that took any liberties with her
liberties With her 's Not osT posv sSa
cannot tell the year, and would not IKE TO say O.
Don't You know you never did prior to 1885 A. can't
@ ksn mot a
A. Not to my knowledge. O. II you did say so, would
did ssy IT, was true or sIsei A. have moi ssa you
thrg positive about IT. II said So was true to the best
Of my tIowecee q Whether you said or not, isn't
acquainted with her before ! moved into Kent
avenue. Q Didn't you say last Saturday in your ex-
into Kent avenue but that You were not then sc.
quainted with her. A. was acquainted with her by
moved into Kent avenne, but am not CERTAIN O. MS,nt
you tell me on Saturday that OF those liberties &C.
cured you and plaintiff whilst lived Frank
lin avepueS A. think that said that the arst liberties
were taken while lived on Franklin avenue. O. Where
was John Fobush when you Rugged and kissed the plain
hens A. Myself no one else Q. Was II day or nighte
a. In the evening. O. When it-where did Won live
thereP A. can't be positive what year it was nor
where lived there O. Was Mary (painu1s sister, mar
ricd when you took those liberties with plaintiff Of Was
CALI house, could not cay, sir. @ What sor. Of
looking person was the woman who Wascals gar.
den on that occasion with paintns A. forget don't
recolect sir What makes you cay II was her sister,
as You thoughts A. Because thought was her sister
What sisters Her sister Mary. O. What sort Of an
appearing woman was her sister Narys A. A small GIRL
round ehoulcered-at that time she was So o. Did John
Forbush know that you saw him hug kiss Che planti
Yef, sir. Q What did be say about it2 A. Nothing
paIucuhr q Didn't you and he talk about
III A. No, sir; don't know a. any remarka
were mace about IT, @ Was that before or after you
rugged and kissed herr A. Before. O. DID Won 10 Alone
TO Plaintiffs fathers house every time you went thereS A.
No, SIR Q. Whom did you 60 WITH A. Jonn Forbush.
Nd you eyer meet any body else there visitor in the
nousef A. Not to my knowledge, except some Of plain.
I'm relations @ Who Of the relAtionss A. David Sea-