, 1860-12-13

10 me the moment he made the proposition,
to draw ont OF him all could and then 10 to
NJ. Itacy; only looked back to SEQ that he
tid not follow me and see me 70 to Mr.. Trl-
cy's office; should say 1t WIS 10 OF II clock
in the forenoon; Mr.. Tracy sat in his Office;
lad some conversation with Mr. Tracy; did
not at that time receive authority to follow the
matter up; saw him again that afternoon; lie
then requested me to follow the matter up /;
nothing passed between us as to compensation;
have not received a cents compensation from
him stated in my testimony ] worked for
those who paid me; 10 arrangement has been
mads for compensation: if they see 1it to lay
me shall take it, If not i hare no claim on
them there Is no promise Of any pay; was
re4ueet ted by Mr.. Tracy at the second inter-
ui the parties; did not suggest to B;sseu not
to write to INC; no ono opens my letters but
myself
Qmk-Did he not tell son ut the Richmond
House he would have nothing to do with the
bridge but what was strictly legal:
Ans.-No, sir, he did moi. .....
4u1.-Did you Cvcf have man In your cn-
4aa-cannot remember all the men h"sa
had in iny employ.
Counsel for the rrc:e=ation objected TO the
ouestsca Is irrelevant.
1F'taezs-Haychad many men In my employ
whom would not Ike to declare, Eor would
they.
TIE CoCR1-Is the man Bowman connected
with this cases
~: Hcdlister-Ee Is.
Nad>st-Buwman was once in My employ;
aiterw7rd he went into the post Office, in May
!a5t, Think Charles Noyca was q partner, Of
ming, ID 1855; hewent from here TO st. Louis;
d:n't remember when il was; }'e las not been
with mS,, since lie eprllig Of 1856, until
March, i6>o: have eever:l times done bustness
through Mr.. Moves in St. Louis; bnre .tiune
s,utiness in st. Louis through M*.s,. 1tsawuuga,
Tunnlciills o;'d AS'+ss13s; lunnicliiIc has lis
shiuS 1c III. Is private detective; went to st.
Louis on 9Jtfl or 30lh Of October; saw Noye-;
saw h!M here two Or tllrcc times last summer,
cohllns to MY Office 1lways never tod Noyes
r9d beer ii iongti getting Bi=s.ll into this;
told him was 4 long :irie w"rlsing on the
t.'n; did mt tell hin in st, Louis got this
thtrE up, and it was d-d good Job; used no
words to that cdecl Occasionally enl:!oy lny
brother Asa r. ar:o;:y; lie u,adethose traeings
Of !c::ie1s +; lie was Oh the Grand Jury inliGt-
ing Bsssell; have seen Bisscll write in ny
Once; nc wrote with pen; think be has
written Letters there; frou what have seen
him write, could not identify Ills land
writing; have received letters over what put-
ported to be his Efsaalirc; After tho 18th of
April l next got letter from Rock Island;
got several from Chadwick: alter tie 18th; Il
saw Nlsscn frtt In t!.c eth Of June, ut the
Richmond House; don't recollcct when first
~" 1lm there; he spoke about the requisi.
tions; came up to my nt1lce with him. aad
took look first got the room in Matthew's
block sonnet imc il May; It was rented for
Frank; &c is still in my employ the zooul
was rented OIL May 1st, aiier my interview
Mith Tracy; tue partition was put. Up to ct
Disscll Iuto the room -}sith Gcr:- !. ...l.sses
had Several inscrvfet5 Iii along with Nj. Ira
81: th~ *c1u was lifted up at 1ny expense; at-
Ter Bisselrs urrcst The room N:ls put in its ori-
glutl shape; il was taken down By the loy.
who occupied tho room; 1t cost nnshi:1g
to put it up: tho lAbOr we 6sd GSlselvcs. the
lumber ,en1 n,ate'i.l w.s the Only expense;
Mr. Itacy saw the rooln while was lifting it
up Mr. Chadwick was arrested at the ha1ne
tlmc with D;ssrli, but wns Immediately re-
leased on hail, whic H;ssell was put in jail.
Alter Bleeell was relascd tad lleIA s'p!ptd;"
l h1ye 5etn coaetlee:t win seE.rI to the iu-
"rs gu tbc i!-t tis t. RAJ; it is 4 iart oimy husi
ntss 70 remove leu.lc from premises aud put
others in possession l do ,lo1 rtcollect charg-
ing young German with cFin: lor tic ruT-
i"'se of getting draft Of Sl0J3 from him.
Counsel for prosccutioniiere objected to quc6-
tions Irrelevant 10 the ease rs not briltI mate
riaL The Court decided that tEcre was 1lo
cause for otjection.) knew notling Of tll'
transaction uutil tho herman was brought into
LILY bIAcE1 !Ellc up tuc strap anu Ottt.t sstl-
israi ns IN the fore part ofJu]y; silDWea it to
Mr. Tracy At thc time the box ia, opened;
suggested that the box be sent here, 20 is to
make up The CAST in thi, city: I toll B:escll
that intended to burn the bgtlgc:1 k!t. y ut
tie time l was telling him 4 lie. When Bi:~elf
Wns arrested he WIS taken to Pinatrtouh oil
i1cc aud kept all Ily; gave no directions to
When ile w.a arrested; l did nut su.sest tlat
he shoald BIZ taken to Pinkcrton's Office;
lad some three OF :oET llvs no;i:e Of Iii. COLL
In, aud calculated to arrest him when jle dill
come l requested Mr.. Tracy to Ect some one
clsc 10 arrest him, as would become ! witness
arrest; Mr.. Bisscll stated t" me In substance,
and thruugl. his culneel ut the time Of lLe III.
teryicw iu the room i,l Matthew Block, that
he would not do ANYTHING in the bridge lMattcr
except what was perfectly legal. believe
there were witnesses secvcicd bcs:inl the p1.-
si.iun; ihry were Mr. Hit, Sfr. Tr.lvy, Mr.. ".
II. Bradley AID Mr. tha iu; MT. Iissei} did not
:cll ME that any conversation We hal with re-
:.ard ~ fi;e bridge should hot he construed As
i,as Il. auy II le:cncc 10 it it is eor.ctutcs Tue
,,,ll Tic: iu MY :,:isness 1u send m:a III dis
':'Is' into peoples ho:sc. i'll order to 'plEe"
men.
.>-nct examination ,v.un,.d-Thc witness
i,cre identified thc boz which contained tho
conbust J:es. There rere IS champagne but
ties in il IL thu time it Was received. Ny
,rutiier knew nothing os this business when
hc traced copies ri The letters. Before the
bux WAS sent it was proposed by Mr.. Chatl-
wick that the box be sent TO Rock Island FROM
ST. lnuis iu hog.hcad Of sugar.
lfo@-:r1nitAa!tc' ftxn;,+1'.-1 suggested that
thu material be sent to Chicago, When Cha'!-
wirk proposed thu! it bc srnt TO Rock 1sland.
U;ref sti,ail'tion r.<H'ae!.-Mr. Chadwick
said l,e would write to Alr. Bi5etll regarding
thu destruction Of the material: tut a. far u
he WAS concerned he was willing that it should
gu to CAica.o. Nit!cs: hrr. identified several
letters which he had written to Nj. Chadwick.
JouS \. NICHOLS, ss:ort.-1an;insd BY -nr
Ct.ot.-!Anl acquainted with Bissell; knew lis
handwriting; have scei him WRIT a. liltcrtnt
tiulrs. {Stvcral letters were lvre shown 10
Wi.nrss.) Ile-e lcttrre arr Ill in his liaud-
wiring, to the best ol MI belief
t''.natn,..inuf!on " -V,: -M'.l7i,tcr.-An 4
Notary Public; lecai,.. acquainted with Bis
sells handwriting i'll Ii: t.sn;n-: testimony h':
fore Tue during ,iac Progress ut tue railroad
suits. Have received a.n'u: 500 from The
Rock Island E.iro.d COMPANY tor taking tes-
tinlony In 1l,c suits. was ou tic Gsanl Jury
which indicted Bisse}l; have called on Bissell
repeatedly to talS with lin ahuut this s:iit-
merely as iriru:i. The only mems Eavc
for identifying Diese1ls handwriting is by Fee
in. lin takt Iclpsitiosss while sIttin. ar1t to
lnr, anu have sometimes looked orcr item.
They Uc7: written :As rapidly as a man cAn
write.
The Court here adjourned mill O'Clock.
AFTERNOON SESSION.
The Court c,,nc In 1t :. o'ciuck.
John 4. -sstl.Jss desired 10 make m cxplana.
nation us to 1Ae circumstances Of Lis visiting
Disscli iu the jail.
Col. Robert \. Rfnieh. {ea'ztd BY p5<nte BY
con4n. IF Prosecution. }-know Mr.. Bisscll:
| live in St. Louis was one Of the parties In
iu,ctl by the True aud Gilman frauds.
Qncx-Dil yon employ B:ssell TO get certain
naj,ers in the matter of tusc frauds out ct t9G
| lands Of Capt. bradley. $685..
| NR. kxox.-Ne object to this evidence OF
the ground Of It's irrclrvancy. Even II be Was
80 employed there is no evidence that Bissel
! fulfilled that mission; it would not t,H!ow t.J
/ apy means that Bi.scn did Go it, In the sec
ond place, Bradley swcars he did actually cnu
verse viii, him on this subject, AMI look fol
| the papers. -
TnE CorEr-Thc simple fact Of such III en-
g1.ru,cnt may ho shown.
(tuestioa ly 1r. -M'i'istsr.-What Vas ths
amount If those frauds:
Mr. KSox.-Wc object.
Nix: McAL1sTER.-Nc wish to show tlIa
| tlc=c frauds were extensive aud important
and were 4 matter tia; naturally engaged Bis
| sells atteztipn.
The testimony was admitted.
1cxfi.4ony continued loss to mysc1fTa
S1,Ooo, others lost as much more Tor SOM
tine there was al attempt to get the raicr
from bradley; they were subsequently tona!
hy my father in Albany; only paid Bisscl
s1o0 once, fur travelling expenses 10 Rocheste
in this matter.
Cuss<ramieation- was after tho election
of Gov, Morgan; think it was about last March
wanted t.tul to hunt up the rcquisition fror
Bradley; n,y partner wcut on In May or jun
found Tic old teqnisltion OF Cor: King Al 4
hauy; had All idea that we could get China
under new requisition from Gov. Morgcu
it must have been In February or March
askrd Bissvll to get the papers; found coul
moi get Gilman and dropped the subject.
"a Mr, NcAia7.-My partner went dow