The weekly pioneer and Democrat. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. Territory) 1855-1865, 1860-01-20

ILL.,,
Gartrell whether, if the doctrine of Judge
Douglas, as to slavery, be acted on in the
territories, he would therefore claim the
right to secede from the Union
Mr.. Gartrell wished to know whether Mr..
Haskin was the champion and expositor of
Republican doctrine.
Mr.. Haskin said he was not on the con-
trary, ne was an antagonist to the Republi-
can doctrine of intervention in the territories
for the prevention of slavery, as he was to
the new tangled southern doctrine of inter-
vention for the protection of slavery.
Mr.. Gartrell replied that was a judicial
question for the courts.
Mr.. Haskin wished to know if that is to
be inserted as new plank at the Charleston
Convention.
Mr.. Gartrell replied If you want to
know what we will do, you can make your
arrangements to be present there, provided
you can come as a delegate; but if you
come as Republican, we will simply rule
you out. Laughter.
Mr. Haskin thought Mr.. Gartrells iudg-
ment upon him was unfair. He had said
that he agreed with neither Republicans or
Southern men as to the prevention or pro-
lection of slavery in the territories. He
wanted to know if Mr.. Gartrell did not
vote for Mr.. Maynard and Mr. Botelier for
speaker.
Mr.. Gartrell replied that he did. He
wanted no better evidence of Mr.. Haskn's
Repubicanism than that be voted for Mr..
! Sherman.
Mr.. Haskin said If voting for Mr. Sher-
man made me a Republican, Mr.. Gartrell,
| fhn ,,,lO h.
| can.
Mr. Gartrell replied, that that opinion
was already exploded. 1t was not necessary
to waste the time of the country in expend-
ing further time on it.
Mr. Keitt explained how it was that
man voting for the Republican nominee,
thereby became Republican.
Mr.. Hickman explained his former
remarks and said, gentlemen seemed to con-
graduate themselves that there was a
divided n orth. Will the Northern Demo-
cratic repre- entativeS coincide in the opinion
expressed by Mr.. Gartrell, that the election
of Republican President, though coutitu-
tionally put in the Presidential chair is
lspSe facto secession? Ii this was demanded,
he said, there was an undivided North in
favor of maintaining the Constitution at all
costs and every hazard. The Union must
and will be preserved.
Mr. Gartrell replied that this singing of
songs to the Union has been stereotyped, and
the claqners in the galleries applaud them
only for the sake of the spoils. You may
clap while your liberties are being swept
away by a sectional party. Applause
The gentleman from Peunsy lvania had added
insult to injury, when he said the North
had eighteen millions Of people and could
ma Ike more arms in ninety days than the
South can buy. Why, the proceeds of one
cotton crop OF Georgia would buy the whole
Of Pennsylvania Laughter. He was
for the Union with the Constitution. He
asked Mr.. Hickman whether, if the Re-
publican party succeeded in eleecting
Republican President, and secure a
majority in both Houses, and abolish
slavery 10 the District of Columbia, abolish
the slave trade between the States, prohibit
the introduction of slavery in the Territories,
and prevent theiadmission OF any more slave
! States into the Union, and the South, in
consequence OF these things. secede from the
confederacy would you be willing to head a
Northern regiment against the South, or
advise coercion
Mr.. Edwards alluded to the fact that they
had been five weeks voting and accomplished
nothing. Two hours to-day had been occu-
pied by Mr.. Gartrel He was satisfied that
if they would proceed to vote to-day there
wouid not be an election. As for Mr..
Clark's resolution, declaring that no man
VINO recommended the circulation of the
compendium of Helpers book is not fit to
be speaker, be thought that its introduction
was unnecessary and offensive.
Mr.. Leake wanted to know whether any
man who iendorsed book counsellng vic.
lence and murder was fit to speaker. South
ern gentlemen thought this the first step
towards the dissolution of the Union.
Mr.. Edwards condemned that resolution.
1t was an abstraction, and therefore was
predcated upon an abstraction. Mr.. Sher-
man had exonerated himself from the charge
of having endorsed such sentiments.
Mr.. Clark, of New York, asked Mr. Ed
wards whether he would, under any circum-
stances, vote for a candidate for speaker
who entertained in his heart the sentiments
of intolerance and prescription which were
indicated in the extract from the Helper
book.
Mr. Edwards replied that in a private
conversation with the gentlemen he might
say what he would or would not do, but as
a member here he would not respond to the
interrogatory.
Mr.. Morris, of Pennsylvania, said if be
had believed that Mr. Sherman entertained
such sentiments as the Helper book incul-
Gates, be never would have voted for him.
1t was because he knew Mr.. Sherman re-
garded with the utmost horror encourage
ment to servile Instruction, and deprecated
the disturbance of the present state of soci-
ETY., that he voted for him. Mr.. Sherman
had confided in the discretion of the COM
mittee, and they relied more on Helper than
on their own discretion. When Mr.. Clark's
resolution shall be withdrawn, MIR. Sherman
will be ready to answer frankly, and express
his opinion of the book.
Mr. Edwards offered resolution that
from today until the election ofspeaker, the
Honse will proceed to vote for speaker at
O'clock and vote three times in succession,
and that If anv member howe noccoeo;on rs