New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1860-10-11
CHAMBER or CONNIE RcF


| The following gentle Zen present: Pslssab
| PERT Royal Phelps, G.. II Marshal, ID. 0sden, q w
! Blunt, w. Nelson, j. II. Brewer, Geo. Opdyke W.
s. Grii,bs, j. DePeyster Og ieo and T. Doh1a, esq..
Lieut.. AmDen U. s. N, aud several Marine Insurance
| Prpsid.nts, were Afro present.
The first question discuered was:
| The Responsibility IF ShiDoUHers.-Mr. LISDsaY
said he wished 20 make few remarks the question
Of respc inability Of fhpowuers. The laws OF Ea9snd
and America far they had reference 70 toe snb-
| iect were almost practically the same. shipowner
who would provide for the safe,y and comfort of biz
passengers, levied in eapoadiDg manner for
! be improvements which he bid mare. For Instance
chip valued 800 600 which pro ydrd for the safety
and comfort Of its passengers was respols be for
ratio Of that amount while a vsse, worth Oaly 30 OOl
which was not suitable for s1cl purpose W ~ ONLY
| liable for proporiionste mm. f. Nigh. be pArhaos
better to follow the pracii Of the Eoglish slopng
merchants and place the rate of each ship Is per
| tan.
Mr.. PERIT inquired if the speaker did not think that
sDm too high.
Mr.. LIsDsAY thought not The law in relation to
he matter had been pared II a time when passsnQsr
ships were u OF provided wi mi l. acomm ,isti ms
lie believed that would be advisable TO take meas-
ures TO afsimilae the laws Of both countries. The
law of England limited the responsibility Of the En-
gish shipOwbers bUt that statute did not 2ooly % tde
| sbpown>ra Of the United States. Mr. Lincssy ug-
traed his sta emeDt by referiog the OF me col
soD between the ships Trscarora aid VIM. Foster
| both An eTirau vessels. The has been tried in
England and tie owner of the Tuscarora was held
sponsibe for $40 000 Nine thousaod dollars had been
paid into COut, but another ship belonging 70 TIE
TuscaToTa was sfterward bed for several thousand
dollars in qnence of the came collision. Had the
law Of England applied 70 such case the respoosib-
ty Of the American shipOwu.r would have bssn lin
tied and the settled in the frs, instance. He
Of opinion thst il would b. expedient TO orgsoize
convent TO dilcuss tie snbjsc aud briog the uater
before Congress. 1t would be vel not 10 differ about
the eeails Of the ques ion, but TO establish great
principle Of re iprOcuy
Mr. Brewer could rsttersee the laws sci1g such
N settle a
imperfscty TIE speaker then gave his views o. the
question ID detail.
Roads and Signal Ljghts.-The suhi4cts Of the
:" roads " adopted By Uitsd states and Englsl veg
ssls, Snd the sigEal ligts used by both we're then
brought up, and oesult9iy conversation folio we'd
upon them. The members generally were Ia favor OF
the uui system Of Ggbts and rJ2ds oi both n20us.
Punishment Of GGi1sses coalm1ef At sea-D2Se,tioas,
&c-Ite question discussed was the aiy3.blty
of ADOPT effective Measures for the puns5msot OF
offer deFs at sea, whose shs might enter the prs Of
Nr LINDSAY was Of opinion tha, flaws were pissed
for he pa. pose Of 5dug ~ tAoee who conIret
crimes at to justice whe her their vessels should
come into the ors Of the United States L gaul
it would advance The interests Of bob nations In
reference TO deserOns from ships, th was Svoiei in
EDgard by the organization of Shipping Officers; and
he tbo GIT tbs rlei hooy were esebi slei in the
United ) ates desertoD from their vessels eli
occur The Uni'ed States did not recsise 10 England
the benefit which those officers competent give
but If system of recp ocity was esta hid, ha had
Mr.. Brewer cf option that no Law could
reach deserti ne in the country. body Of men,
sometimes ed, we're banded together to efe:t the
deserii~s Ot sesmep and all they I'd hitt e,t0 done
or could do, would not abolish he ell. There
class of bcaf DIG hOuse aud 'and.sharzs who
gathered around vesssls, aui prompted the 20
cape. At soies tire, oue Of his vessels was detained
Is days bey0nd the appointed time.
Mr.. LINDSAY ssin that similar state Of things sz-
listed in England in 1872 bu trey had passed hz
which met the evil and although thai class In an as
l. s tFA9
he messure-when it became lay they were dis
peTs Ike the dew b for The mOriog qua.
The CO0sting Tr08e The s0as,iGg trade Of the
UDi,ed States WIS the naAt of discussion.
Mr.. LINDSAY maintained that as Engs ailo we'd
the United S'ass The privilege Of entering a1i trading
with her colonial posessO4s il would only be carry
ing ut just principle Of re iorociy 20 open the coast
ing tTads Of tue Uni ed S,ares-whch was now de-
claTed eXcusive-to EDgl-h vsssels. OF course, The
mere cOastiDg trade OF England itself only 6aga-
tele 10 that of Amefia bat tle !riyllege wach En-
gland bad given tie United Stats Cf Fee TT De with
her colonial poss'siors ftr greater than profits
Of the ooastng trade would be TO England, Ii they
should oTen IT,
Mr.. BRowER was Of opinion that if the co,s,ipg
trade ened il oud not he for the advantage Of
the Unit States The Ia3r which American vessels
had with the Colonial possessions Of Great Brin vas
net a. all equal 70 what their coastiJg trade might bs
TO England BE thought if tu.y recommended such
arsssuTe it would cliy bring otluu on the Chamber
Of Commerce.
Mr.. LINDSAY said the principle of reciprocity was
established oy ihs great sat OF tho UJiei SAFES,
ard he could nor see how The Chamber would Ar0g
odIum upon i!s.f by rscommsrhng that the United
Sat-s shoold deal " lib EDglA rs Eoglaud had dealt
with her.
Mr. Brewer knew that vixen Foglaud hgS opened
tho trsd- Of he, Colonies America her motive was
t. benefit her.elf not The United Slt 2
Governmental SnbsidIeS.--Mr MARSHALL es,isl AZ
eution o. the system OF su,siiziGg steame ~ "a,
Cove nutnt OF EcI land. lie viewed that sys'en a.
s.wsr uron American enterprise, and hoped n would
be aOOi hsd
Ole ussi'n followed upon he question but no for
NAL action WAS aiken ugou 10.
Tie 10 loving recon- usrdNory document IN refer
cree 10 tie sevr al subjects rear aod apnro sed.
Comm ter sgre.d bat tho app ic3tOn or men,
Crol 10 Co g.'ss on tie e.. jet OF
Cohi sat Nsa Ae so modified as 10 propose s1 i-ieus
uoltl law 20 provide for uufo pc ties ase sp jcirls q
h and Aui an ships IA both countries or In the ,ouIts o.
Ishs az SEQ The Committee greed tht reconnsnia.
tous be- made ongless b adopt lew qurog SHIPS
cary light, as d mardci by the N g'ish L.
,tee recommend CHAMBER Of Comerce c1neiis
with Mr. Lindsay In regr 70 simi toPs Of n ag' sHt sus
gest the ebshuct Of shipping ON &c IN ths 10 drag p1r
{. RghUGh0r ~ SHIPS The 'ommi tee adnt tr propdsty
o. dehete a. to pFoc ~ reaa,a oI shP-s reigi
ships be reel tered in TIE United states Enslani allows
TIE Com5it,se als5 cci eide with Mr.. Lindsay. az
20 open pg a debate on h cOs-tfg trade genera ly
Ceaupo Trade IL viii give ~ eJsh .hins Ia ,i'l,.
b, her laws having soe Cd reign slos q py b. sa anS
home pots and colonial ports s the world
The supqe, ion was nj sde that, should IN, II,ta3
Stat conoei5 her tiag trade, Eogland you'd no
doubt in return relu qruh te- light dass o,a ohs,ges
isss, t,l- ano pal DRY pl,gsg- and migat open
h.r 'astrg colonial trade, o. he lakes, Sc.
The meeudg Then adjourned.
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