New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1860-06-19
sEswysYoSk DAILY TRIBUNE. T6EsDAX JUNE TO- 1860
the idea that il stood by the party, and aided all


directly or indirectly, secret or otherwise, bet yeen 20
ard the Administration that you should be rewarded
any way, shape form, for what yov were doing 70
/. the Leeompton bill A. No, cir.
Y. uLdersund that your only expedition wa
what every partisan expects for fidelity to hs party
A. That all; wac sn active and entlusisic man
and went further, perhaps, than ought; will sat
here that tins was not in reference TO the Lecomptor
bill proper; that was defeated.
by the Chgirman-Q. II was In reference 10 ths
Englin bill A. Yes, sir.
S1he Chairman here stated that he desired to have
some conversation with the witness, not to be taken
down by the reporter.
After rome n:lIglts ihus spent in conversation,
Mr. WinsOw said: Is this being taken down by the
ieporter1
The Chairman: No, sir; directed the reporter not
to the il down. rs wished merely 10 ask Che witness
for some information not to be regarded as evidence.
! Mr.. WiIslow, must repeat my objection to any
conversation with fhe witness in the committee room
which is not pat upos record; viii question the wit
ness myself 20 that il may appear upon the record.
| O. Ito witness.l DID you bgve conversation with
MIR. Coyode just now, tSaching contract for s70-
| COO for lsssing tie LecoRpton bH A Yes, Sir.
| q. What was u tenor of that conversation A.
uuderst, cd Mr. Covode to ask me il knew anything
| cf q contract Of that EGd and l told him that Sir.
iUgt had spoken to me about it, but never knew Of
| the sss eDce Of such contrss mill he told me.
q. Were yOn party TO any suth contract with Mr..
Pugh, in any way, shape, or form A. No. Sir.
| by Mr. Tain-Q. What MIR. Pugh Is that A. He
is claim agent, believe, residing here in Washing
| on.
By Mr WiusIow-Q Is he here nowl A. Yes,
| Sir; .aw him yesterday.
| O. understand Won 10 swear that you never had
anything to do With Pugh in connection with passing
| TIE Leton pton bill 2 a. No, sir.
@. That you party 10 any contract for S70,
| COO or anything else A. No, sir.
| BY MIR. RoGinson-Q. Did Pugh claim that you
were party TO that contract A. Pugh assumed, in
conversation v ith me, that the fiscal agent of
the government in passing the English bill, which L
denied of course tie Insisted that he must have the
money for aiding in The passage Of the BILL and as
understood, threatening letters 10 parties con-
necied with The government on the subject
@. Did he claim that there contract, or that
he had labored and wanted to be paid according to the
| amount of bis labor What was his claim A. The
claim that he had Isbored for the cause and ought
to be paid by some one who Lad promised him large
Of money, hut who it never could get at
| Q. Did he ever say who had promised 1t A. l
| don't think he ever did to me.
q. The Dainre OF Iis claim was, then, that
he had been promised large amount of
| money, and that you were the agent Of the
| government, and be made the claim upon you A.
That was the nature OF his claim repudated it
trelyi never had any agreement with him or held
any conversation With him upon the subject, until he
came to ard rendered his services but told him
did not think that he could aid any; where he got
that idea into his head do not know he did not post
| ne that.
Mr. DIN here examined the witness in relation to a
J list OF suDdTy amounts taken fr Dir. WendelPs ac-
court with H. Bank of the Metropolis this year.
1883 craft Mr.. Witte for $1,000 A. do not re-
collect but it Is very probable that did, for my money
| transactions with him were pretty heavy.
q. What was the nature Of your money transac-
tons with him7 A. Borrowing and lending.
Q. Simply borrowing and 1endingl A. Yes, Sir,
ard the money Transaction had pending elections IN
the Falls Of 1856 and 1858, testified before, may
have contributed through him.
Q. This was in the Spring Of 1853 Can you tell
what was Whites business here at that time A.
Really, be could answer that better than can.
Q. Slate 20 far you know A. think that he
had some business IN connection with some friend of
his with the Navy Department, relative to building
some engines for soops-of-war; think that was his
business here.
Q. And you say this was a loan to him? A. II
might have been u lean; ! loaned him great deal of
money at different tines, know.
by the Cbarnan--Q. Was it not at that time in
connection with the passage OF the English bill A.
BY Mr.. Dino. Had you any negotiations
VIBRATIONS with him in respect TO that matterf A.
Tie passage of that bill I?
q. Yes, Sir. A. o, yes, Sir fully and freely.
q. Was he active in trying TO procure its passage
A. Well be appered TO take warm interest in it; it
was frequently subject OF conversation with US;
think saw him daily while he was here.
Q. Do you know what occasion he had for the use
Of this $4,000 which you say you loaned him : A.
EXPECT il TO pay note that was maturing at
that time; we have been very intimate in every way,
per sonally, pecuniary, and politically; II had dol
lar he could have il, and the reverse
@. You drew some checks on the bank payable to
numbers. For instance, on March 26 1858 You drew
a check TO No. $50. Do you recollect what that wasl
A. do not indeed.
O. WHY were they marked in that manner A.
Wei, sometimes in drawing checks would put down
figures letter or two, as designation perhaps, by
which TO remember them afterward.
Q. There 10 a check drawn payable to C. W. C."
To whom il that payaLel a. presume it was Char
ley W. Carrgan had some large money transactions
with him.
BY the Chairman: O. Do you know of Mr. Witte
at that time getting large margin OF profits upon the
contracts for building steam engines for the war soops
a. DO not
O. Was Mr. witte the principal man from Pennsyl
vaBia connected With the passage Of that Leconpton
billl A. / cannot say that he was; lie might have
used BIZ influence with the Pennsylvania members OF
lie might not. do not remember of ever hearing him
converse with any members from chat State upon that
,ubjeot.
BY Mr. DIN: O. Would your eheckbcok show
what these checks were for which designated,
fcr instance, by such numbers No. 233, No.
81, No 1851 Here are three or four drawn in sue
eesson On the 18th Of March, 1853 one, No. 233 for
$500 No. ~, 81 coo; No, 239, 81 600; and on March
"a, No. 243, $1,000 DO you know for what purpose
these checks were drawnf A. could not tell now.
By the Clairman-Q. Would your own books show
to wEom these numbers referred' A. They might
give me son clue.
Ry Mr. Olin-Q. Did you attend personally TO this
business, drawing these checks A. They might have
been III my own handwriting, and they might mott my
Cookkeeper generally drew them III, know , lodged
thorizirg hin, to draw checks in iny name, &C. Wen
dell, per John farcombe."
@. On April 9, 1858, there was check drawn for
S. Geo. pay able TO Konsas;" bal, you say went TO
Bean A. do not know the date upon which gave
lin that cLesk.
G. Here is cheek payable TO Glossbrenner for
5000 a. Yes Sir.
o. What Vas that fort A. Probably for borro wed
money; was in the habit of borrowing great deal
from him.
Q. Here is a check to Hughes" for $50, on the