Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1860-06-27
DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL CONVENTION.
FRIDAYS PROCEEDINGS CONTINUED.

vote Of said State and if either of said delegations re-
fuse neglect to cast the vote as above Indicated that
in such the delegates present in the convention be
authorized TO cast the full vote OF said State
The Secretary proceeded TO call the roll and as he
called the State of Maine
Mr.. williamson of Kentucky, called for division OF
the question upon the resolution.
Mr. Stuart of Mchgan--I submit that that motion
cannot be made The rule is that if the remaining por-
ton will by itself stand to make sense and the por
ton ncaded in the first division will also by itself stand
to make sense, then it may lie divided but not oth-
erwise have examined this resolution, with view to
call for the division myself but am satisfied that 1t Is
incapable Of division.
Mr. Siby, cf Minnesota call the gentlemen to Or
de the Secretary had commenced the call OF the roll,
and the State of Maine had responded
The Psssdent-The Chair thinks that the gentleman
from Kentucky (Nr williamson addressed the Chair
before any response given from Maine.
Mr. Stuart, of Michigln-Thc rule is that the portion
to be voted upon must make sense by itsel, aud
the portion left must make sense by ITSELF or else the
proposition is not divisible
The Presdeut-T6e Chair is informed by the Secre-
tary that the State of Maine ha been called and the
spouse entered upon the record, before the Chair was
addressed If that be So the Chair is bound to decide
that the call for the division Is tco late.
Mr. williamson OF Kenuucky-I think there must
be an error on the part Of the Secretary addressed
the Chair before the STATE CT Maine responded 20 The
call Of the Secretary but did not get my proposition
fully submitted before that S'a.e responded.
Mr. Rynders. OF New York; say that we here
understood the of Maine announced before the
Chair was addressed
Mr. Jones ol Teunessee-I wish TO know if did not
demand division OF the question upon every distinct
proposition susceptible of division?
The Presideut-That was the understanding of the
Chair of the effect of the demand of thegenemen from
Tennessee (NIr. Jones' and The gentl,men fOm Della
/ ware Mr.. Salisbury
Mr.. Joncs-Then submit to the Chair whether We
cannot vote upon each portion OF the resolution now re-
ported to the Convention:
Tie Presidcrt-If the gentleman from Tennessee (Ar.
Jones' claims that right uow the Chair will be bound to
rule rs he did in the OF Arkansas. The Chair will
DC bound look iato the question OF dyisioity. twl
not be division upon the demand Of the gentleman
from kentucky (Nr Wiliamson) but the demand OF the
gentleman from Tennessee, Mr. JOuesC.
Subsequently the President said-1Le Chair, on in-
spcctiug te OH resolution, pertaining the State Of
Georgia perceWes thar II l. cOn>tucted on precisely The
same principles with the resolution pertaining 10 The
state oi Arkansas And the Chair having ruled that
that was dlysibr is bound to make the railing IN
this case Ii tie Clair in upon this subj he
has no pic OF opinion about H. AID OF course submits 1t
to the convention But the Chair make the decision
tn.t i = d,yi.ibe The Secretary will report the hrst
branch OF the resolution.
The Sccrc ary reported it as follows
"hes,.,.i That the delegates from the State of Geor
ga of which H. l.. Beuuug is Chairman be admitted 70
The Convention with powe to cas-. oueha OF the vote
OF said State -
Mr. Waterbury Of New Yorl-Is it in order TO divide
the first part Of tie resolutions
Mr. Stuart Of Hiehigan-TLat is the very pCint that
raised. Il YOU divide the first part OF the resolution
and reject the mt part aud retain the last part it vii
have 10 sense.
Tae Pr,sj,ut-The Chair has ruled that the part just
read by the Secretary constitutes the first branch Of the
| resolution.
Mr.. B.odheid, Of nnsyvania-I would suggest that
the first division should end with the word Convention"
50 that ii would read
"esor,d That the delegation from the State of Geor
ga, otWhieh Il l. Benning is chairman, be admitted to
the Convention"
Mr. Stuart, oi Mchgln-The idea Is this: The Chair
cauuo. anticipate what the ~il be- the proposition
may be carried rejected. But is not susceptible Of
division unless in either event the remaining words have
Il substantive meaning by themselves Suppose the first
part is voted down and the latter part adopted-'with
power cast ouehslt OF the vote OF said State These
words would have meaning at all by themselves.
Mr.. Co,maae, OF New York-The gentleman from
Michigan (Nr Suart) states the proposition corFec y-
II the first branch Of Tue resolution be distracted The last
is nAught
The Presdent-The Chair has two or three times en-
icayor,d TO state what he means 10 rul, but gentlemen
| have ipt,rpo>ed with Suggestions from time TO time so
that he has not vet been able 70 DO It, The Chair takes
lhc Of this resolution he did OF the resO.u
ton in regard to Arkansas. Tie resolution begins
"Reso'rcd That the delegation from the State Of GeOr
sa of which H. l. Benuug, is chairman be admitted to
the convention With power 10 cast oueha oi the vote oi
that state"
Tae Chair finds there proposition having sense. 1t
may may not, if adopted alone, operate unjastly.-
That is not question Of order; the question OF justice
Injustice is iudep ,ndent Of the question OF sense.
As 10 the decision suggested 10y the gentleman from
Penusy ylyaua Mr. BrOdhead if the first part he pro
poses be rejected then there remain words of poss
Die application to any part OF the resolution 10 vii:
with power 10 east half Of the vote OF said State"
Tue view therefore, OF the Chair is that the division
must BE- ~ tie end of the words "aaid State
Nr. Pennington, of Delaware-As | understand the
standing rules Of this Convention, and all former Con-
ventiOns which have adopted. it is recommended TO
the Democracy OF the different States appoint double
the number OF delegates that they are entitled 10 votes
Ii by the first branch of this resolution it is contenpla
ted admit double the number OF delegates that they
entitled TO votes, the poiut then is-arc going TO
limit and qualify their authority and power contrary TO
the standing rules Of this Convention?
The Presideut-Thc gentleman from Delaware (Mr
Peuningtou) suggests point of order thatithe effect OF
the upon this branch Of the resolution would be
limitation of the power o, delegation not apprehended
under the general orders Of the Convention The Chair
would observe in reply to that that the Chair does
conceive that that constitutes question of order That
il question of substance which might arise upon the
question whether as matter OF right such vote nd
be made But that question arise upon report
OF committee. That is to say the proposition is regu
arly before the Convention aud although it may operate
modification OF the general rules OF the Convention,
/ still the Chair would deem it in order.
Mr.. Atkins, OF Tennessee trust the Convention will
proceed to coasummate its work. Applause We have
nearly completed this work, and hope that gentle
opposed these resolutions will iuerpoSe anything
20 delay the work of this Convention. Applause and
Kisses The that Kisses is a viper and coward
| Applause.
Mr. Seward, of Georgia-I rise to question Of priv
ege behalf Of the contestants from the State of Geor
| gia sent a communication TO the Chair which de-
sire to have read Cries Of "no" mo >" question"
| question IL is intended peace measure, and TO
relieve this convention of this perplexing aud trouble
some question. Cries Of object" "ojeci,' and "ques
| ton
Mr. williamson of Kentucky-I withdraw the call for
division of this resolution if it is upon my motion.
The President-The Chair understands that the call
is upon the motion Of the gentleman from Tennessee
! Mr. JOnes)
Mr. WIIiamson-Then I hope that gentleman will
withdraw the call.
| Mr. Jones-l cannot withdrawit.
| Mr. Seward, of Georgia. insist upon my question
o privilege, and that gentleman has right to object
it, because it affects the rights of members upon this
! hOor.
The President-The Chair will state to the Conven-
lion that the gentleman from Georgia Mr. Seward pre-
| sents this letter and desires that il be read.
| Mr. Buterworth, of New York; object to the read
| ing of it at this time.
The PresidentThe Chair understands the first place
that in the present OF the question-hat is
der the operation of the previous quesonit is not
petent introduce any document be read except by
| unanimous consent OF the convention under a
pension Of the rules. And the Chair is not aware how
IN this stage of the question, there can be motion to
suspend the rules. Therefore the Chair understands
hat 10 this stage Of the question there must be unan
consent for the reading OF document.
III was understood that the letter was from Col Gard
ner the Chairman OF the contendng delegation from the
State Of Georgia. notifying the Convention that they
withdrew from all further contest.
kr. Jones, of Tennessee-At the request of several
I IF ia