The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-04-13

time shsIr xason would sun b. sgs,nt me tresses
would threaten the rights and interests Of 5vsz,r
land. The expectation OF The good Offices Of the Powera
corning these Questions treasures SynzsrAnd, on
dran that occupation OF those provces by France
previously takes place, and mat the stau quo shall be
The following are therefore the proposals. made by the
Federal Councll:-fbat the Assembly may ratfy the
routons vhch have been adopted, and grant the
sary credits.
The Assembly should request the Council to continue TO
project energe.csby the rights and interests Of Swtzsr
lard in regard TO The Deutzed provinces Of Savoy and
n OBTAIN thst the tat quo should be respected may
so sn'norize The President u take all necessary measures
The Assembly will be again convoked in the ep.t Of IL
becoming necessary to call out TIE troops, should othr
srace ctTcumstar ces ,eQutre t.
Interesting Debate ON tho Annexation or
Savoy to France.
In the British House u Commons, Moaday, March %,
on bringing up the report on ways and lat ans,
Mr. Horsmsnn complained with much scerbity of man
ner o. the rencepce Of the government reference
satsIiops OF foreign policy and charged them with desir
fresa"m snsh Inc assss privilege h Of Eng
coeie attitude Of her Majesty government especially
reference to the annexation Of Savoy assumed III
comvlisbed by that Power, while the government
asking independent members 10 forbesr aud place cond
circumstances either indifference completely, and
In order to vndicate the House Of Commons, he de
bounced The policy OF the Emperor o. inc French 10 Italy
Ministry and had made them his tools for deceivng the
English Parliament He had treated them with duphciy
which they hal not the candor 70 avow, and with
tempt which they had not the spirit resent He bad
ADDED injury TO insult and perddy 70 injustice he
her Asestys government the danger Of either en-
dsavorng IN letter freedom Of speech with reference
policy or Of tame acquiescence ia that policy
sef In 1885 stronger Cabinet than that which now
pRht ceDsured and TO exist In 1853 Lord
Psmerstou at the head Of another strong Cabinet bu
before the breath Of an indignant Parliament Tha. spirit
Of was still alive and active and might Dic
tard penalty more sudden and severe than any that
Lord J. RUsEI-The right honorable gentleman has
raised up q great many spectres with which he has
fought In the first place he supposes have been
continually complaining Of the freedom OF speech in this
Bsuse-(hear, hesr)-and have been endesvortpg TO
suppress tina. freedom It is an entire imagination OF the
right honorable gentleman (Cheers.) think he has
gwen ne 10 pigh specimen Of that liberty Of speech,
whether It be Of ministers at home or OF soveregns
abroad (Cheers) Tho right honorable gentleman has
imagined that have been continually rebukpg this
House for the freedom with which they speak foreign
regard TO the freedom OF speech in this House. think
that On the contrary, with regard N gentlemen opposite
We have every reason 10 be satisfied with the forbear
ance which they have shown, and the sort Of unwilling
ness which they have generally displayed TO enter into
any general discu foreign affairs all events,
impede the action OF negotiation which might gong
thought the language Of the honorable member
for Hortbam the late Under Secretary for Foreign AZ
fairs, unbecomug the position that he held; but on
subsequent night he made q speech full Of modera.
ton, and II he will allow me TO say So full OF udg
nsnt, and have no reason to nnd fault with ms
the right honorable gentleman the member from Stroud
has given ne 30 much warning and 30 much advice toat
may give him one piece OF advice that seeing the inds
position there the other side to any factous oppos
ton, or any facous (cheers)-I
der he does not himself take bis place the 'front.' of
the oppOeon-(oud cheers -and endesvor TO SHOW to
the shame OF the right honorable gentleman opposite
What faction Gao effect (More cheers fhe right honor
abe gentleman has certainly imagined good many aaec
to,es with which was perfectly unacqaainted he has
imagined that have refused to produce papers,
Of which have not reas some OF which may have seen.
hat lie hat 10 d{pnpd
- lay papers the table Of the houee which
did lay on IT, and that there very animated discus
SION between noble friend the First Lord of the Trea
sury, and. think, foreign ambassador.
the right honorable gentleman that heard OF
emsusson nor DO think there was any discussion at all
between this government and the government Of France
with regard TO the Spanish expedition Morocco We
thought that that unnecessary the part Span
and tbat opnion OF ours was Ill taken the part Of
Spain but gives great pleasure to say that believe
approaching the termination of that Hear
hear Then with regard TO China the right honorable
gentleman tells that asked for the assistance of
France In China, and that We told France would
only give assistance il would aid French policy in
Italy, and that bargain made bet ween US ina,
another Imagination Of the right honorable gentleman;
whether be bis own or whether be has picked IL up
the werld, and which really have very little truth in
them 90 not know. But think this House ought not
ss ren Win eesrS to b sps. sn %
por,snt subject Of Savoy, have than told tho
House the stae Of relations with France the sub
ject. have told the House what Ambassador in
France had said and what Mniser ct Turin had
ported OF his conversations with the Minister OF France
every hing thst reported by Minister q 10 the
way in which the project would be carried out. The
right honorable gentleman says had assured the House.
70 It's very great sas action not ony that the Emoeror Of
the French mad consulted the great Powers Europe bu
that be would abide by the result Of their opinion Now
the noble lord opposite the member for Leicestershire
endeavoeo to extract from me opinion 10 whether
the Emperor OF the French intended 10 consult the great
ing 70 them hp views with regard 70 Savoy, or
whether he would abioe by their opinion. Now, I
never not bong certain myself could state in what
the Emperor meant TO consult them but the moment that
received despatch that subject, which convinced
me in what senee the consultation was To be made,
came down TO this House, and l told the House, in
the right honorable gentleman that thought
intended In the Of explaining the reasons OF
the Emperor OF the French, but az the same time
cde On the question: but thar the Emperor Of the French
was bmsef 70 decide cpon it, But with regard TO that
subject sad, hosever that thought If there
apkDmous dapprova Of the great Powers Of the
which the Emperor Of the French meant pursue with
regard TO the annexation Of Savoy-f they felt
alarming step for France to take, and might betoken fu
ture aRgreesoneI did not think the plan would be pro-
ceeded with. Whether was right wrong 10 that
opniCn cannot be sscettaned because know with
regard TO these great Powers the Austrian government
in the first instance that the annexation Savoy
net wOrse at all events, than the annexation Of the
Grand Ducby of Tuscany to Sardinia, and that was
a question which had less interest for Austria than
the question OF the annexation Of Tuscany. We know,
besides, that the Emperor OF Russia has said that
It free to the King Of Sardinia to give away his
province, and that is fair to the Emperor Of the
foreign sovereign object the transfer OF number
Of subjects from one sovereign to another Then say
with regard TO any opinion that might give could
expeCth would have the weight asit it had
the opinion Of the four Powers expressed not in the
same terms, in terms OF depreciation as strong
used The right honorable gentleman seems 10 thnk that
we ashamed OF the reply that we sent TO the des
patch of NJ ThouveBeL can assure him that the
ment are not at aashamed Of reply that despatch
ana I believe the House will be OF opinion that We
have to be ashamed Of It. But these matters
which are connected with other subjects especially with
subject that must DO Of great importance TO Europe
TO this country free country and this Parliament
free Parliament must be Of SURPRISING difficulty
II mean as II IL connected with the Independence and
neutrality Of Switzerland (Cheers) Some days after
We received the despatch OF M. Thouvene received
from the government Of Switzerland, COM
planning Of the disposition that was about to be made
Well this question that s Of different nature from
that which with regard TO Savoy, because with
regard TO Savoy may be said az with regard TO Tos-
cany Of those matters that settled at the
time Of the settlement OF Europe In 1914 and 1875 that
Savoy should belong Savoy and that Tuscany shoald
belong the Grand Duke Of Tuscany, but there
If fha IN