The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-04-21
THE PUBLIC PRINTING.
Additiona Testimony Taken Before the
r" Senate Select Committee.
Testimony Of Wendell, Heart, Tom Ford, Deirees
and Hon. David Kilgort.
On Half the Net Proceeds Of the Present
Printing to b Applied to carrying Elee-
items for the Republicans In Doubt
ful States During the Ensuing
Presidential Campaign,

We publish 10 day another iastalment Of the testimon
akes before the select appointed by virtue
resolution OF the Senate Of the United States adopted
January last In relation TO expenditures from tina p~t
ceeds OF the public printing The cvidecne q appea,
on the official record appears TO have been taken In
very irregular manner, as to tho calculation OF certai
points in order to arrive At facts and this must be u
apology iof Inc following extracts There enough how
70 give an Idea Of the governmental prin
Ing placer under the old rsow and the uses 70 which III
repuDncsns intend 10 apply Il under the new:
THOMAS H. F0RD's TESTIMONY.
flease state Your residence and occupation A.
Side in Aanshed Ohio my occupation tia, Of An at.or
ney.
O You have the resolution under which this com
mttee act please ate 70 the committee what you kno
sns ppSo ga and ne disposition Of n
alluded 10 In that resolution A. know nothing of Rho
disposition OF the money that have been paid for r. an
as TO the other matter alluded to 10 the resolution tn
committee must PROFOUND the questions; cannot be IN,
Judge OF what The other matters are ..
Are yu at the present time the printer 10 the House
Q when wers You eiec,eaff A. believe it was on thu
second day Of March.
on TIKI sPoI1s
Are there other persons interested with you In the
profits OF the printing the House OF esq
A. There are solce persons tina; expect, / suppose
.share OF the PROFITS o. the printing
q Who are they and what interest have they in the
writing A I~as candidate unexpectedly to myself;
sss up unit within Gay or TWO OF the Gay when
es. reported TO be elected; never thought Of being
csne 'poa me subject Of The House printing and
% .,a !, me shs seneray that W. soldier and won
Ia Ale wouo ~secars OF the wo. aa.a mAue an open
promise w TO John Derees Of In aaap2s Indiana
William Moran. Of Philadelphia, and " "a psoS Ts1n
Bos.oD, and clerks .Te promised to OF dom,
something for Mr. Ntchell, OF Mis.o, IA, pa'
that open and d, 'penoed on contss> e j.
but / do not know myself now tina. stands; Ios. !
NO legal obligation any OF LSose Cases. In adds
to thai had thought and perhaps ssd that would
care others ii hal money; Wins was that
would give them money to go hs4ne-tnat coz.
sidered grstuitovs; there obligation resting upon
me; these gentlemen have defined interest Mr. De.
frees has contract binding obligation except 70
Share II any thing was made; Mr. Moran Ia in the
situaou the vita Mr. Pangborn were more
defined, but subsequent disspated them;
schen first thought Of bimg candidate Mr.. Dsfrees and
Mr. Moran suggested 10 and ioaned me to taeDs
ddae Il was iooee conversation after was y ia bed
the next ming Defrees was again himself candidase
was found that / was really going to be q cand-
date, Defrees the speaker for Moran; Mr..
and told Defrees that 1 could not keep tina.
agreement; and then Mr.. Pangborn Of the opinion
who would disposed TO favor him. and went
agreement ftha thing was accomplished TO use him
prirter that be might labor, and would give him two
hhs OF the proceeds; but when the trial to be
made persons disposed 10 favor him TO vote
for him, and that arrangement also fell through by this
sirsA some PERSONS, and do not now remepbe: be-
caa The essoa had become pretty General that they
we're soipr to elect me- and csnDc say VINO was said
me that ought 70 help NJ. Bailey, o. the Era oaice
Q Have you other agreement A. l have no other
agreement with any body BY this the impression
general that should be elected and they broke up
ali arrangements aud voted for wantto state that
member OF Congress made any promises mean any
oondion precedent for his vote and never asked bat
gentleman to vote for me; spoke to one, member
OF Congress- whom had known, and TO but one; had
heard he would aganst me- the amount Of this pub
Lie printing, in the first place. AN informed and be-
obligation promise otherwise upon me, only
to do for him, . compensation for his attention and
work. what can, dering those other things would
have hxed an amount that give him, but told
him that the amount must be dependent upon and guided
by what had to give 70 the Era oSe and 70 ou'sdes
aame situation with Defrees Mr. Mitchell, believe has
no obligation , upon me morally, BY pr0mi,e 20, o,
agreement with Mr. Mitchell did Dot see him Till after
wares; had conversation with some of Mr. Mitch
profits would help Mitchell come and It no. by
those persons claiming it claimed provided that tho
4o% some Do not know Who ns Mitchell had
gone home and did not claim anything.
O. What want TO ascertain Is the number or parties
claiming, and the interest they claim altogether You
have said tina. Defrees Moran Mitchell, Mrs Bailey and
Fangbo have expected to obtain an interest Was there
specific understanding in any way as to the proportion
they get the printing should amount TO GER
tain sunni A. There is mono.
what interest share Of the profits they
70 haye9 A. There specification OF that kind, ex-
Cept what have mentioned wish Il 70 be understood
that these conversations were not with members OF Con-
grees, but with outsiders
@ But Isuppose your election depended upon the a.:
ranRement these persons could make with their iendE
A. do not know anything abou!h; did not persake N
q Dd moi YOU know that your election would depend
upon the votes OF those persons who came to you
aid NOT they had votes; some OF these outsiders
would make you believe they had great deal Of influence
ZIG HEARTED OFFICE HOLDER
O. Then why did you make those srransemeasr
and was willing, OF course. II WAS elected to an Office
Tia. there were any profits ; 70 share n, them IN,
a. 'Hs could not Know but supposed then
8. Then was upon that suppostaon that you agreed
TO give them this interest in the proh supposea
thai they could; but cannot say thai they nao any To-
r THE REAL PRINTERS
O. Do you execute the printing YOURSELF A: when
den. Of Pubic Printing, and he drew up an order
ing ths public printing TO Larcombe Eugsh that va
the ss day that was elected IN Gay OF srS M
went into partnership agreement, by winch the ono
to be subject 70 my control the same once WA
they have control OF now-Wendehs omce-Ano 'n0'
were to execute the public printing.
O. Is that agreement in wrings A. Yes, sir This ar
rangement understood 70 be temporary arrangement
ond in that written agreement they to divide tn
profits, giving certain amount; when testned De
fore The House committee did not know what tn
amount was, for was In hurry whom the contract VA
made but have since learned that the agreement ehe
states, or was understood, that twenty per cent
guaranteed 70 mo.
O. Can you produce your agreement in writngS A
Yes, sir; will do II 70 morrow, or on Monday; Mr. Lar
combe and Mr.. English, believe, are the c,ntractin
parties with me; but in that may be mistaken at an
rate Il n the same young that have wendels Office
and are working there; that lie the contract which
lude and which, will produce
o. Was not proposition made by OF the candid late
Tor printing, In . caucus OF the republican members
Copcrees called candidate for printer to II
House, TO give to the republican party, or to commits
OF the party they would elect him. part OF the pros
OF the printing; not such proposal formally mad
A. know nothing about II excep by rumor; have hea
II go stated Mr. Dcfress had made such an offer Blu
know nothing about myself neither Mr. Defrees nor Al
OF the republican party told ms, and none OF them CIV
asked me to make such promise and never made 81
q promise: heard that others had done %.
O. Did you have any understanding, directly or In
rectly with any member Of the republican party In
OF Congress- that II the ubcans would elect y