, 1860-12-13
Testimony Of John r. Chapin, George
fT. Gage, and Mn. II. BRADLEY,


A%SAAoA3 oA JOIN H. IAAp1ns George
IT. Gage, and Nm. II. BRADLEY.
TIE TESTIMONY CONTINUED.
c. r Bradley, Rtsumtd-I rccelyed q dis
PATCH OIL Angus. Sth, from Rochester, no si..
nature, sa.l Ing B. would start for Peoria, MIL
breakfast At t.r Richmond House; I saw lI;tl
It the depot, und saw him 70 to the Richmond
House, and tAcy.: get seine letters, opening
them and tossing The envelopes back of the
counter; hc asked lnc to 70 to his room /
said II would not do to he seen ta1tia. there
!lrgrl him 10 stay over III! evening and st,,
alr. Franh; he said he did not need ia sec Mr.
k1nns, ~ This was lift 10 chaSlw1:R; I ..a.;-,,
TOOK card aud made IN appointment at thr
room III Natthcx@' building, at 10 o'clock ;
went tscc@: ani found him; Nj. Frank was
th"''e Waiting; BisEcll sat TIL the sofa Mr.. bis
sell commenced tn!kiny Of the True and Gil
man affair: ae he sat he looked at tile holes in
1'ic partition; 4c asked Mr. Frank to wifi
aftw> and tc lid 20; then ne comtnehccd to
talk Il tho bridge; he asked II things had cS,ra
si'o,ts ~ eSprs;s; taId yes. l,crs 1t is; e=t:
Shtcngo. nl.:' That tc;:t,f a leak and opened
II and iennd n;,c bottle broken. Mr.. Fran:
e.snc IN and asked linn il it world take fire
spontaneously; le NO. .x..a!1 to elecp In the
r''o1a with it. n!csrll said, '.No." He laughed
and sa;d j: vas Lightning" then wcGt IL
= .taald drawer, opened it, and cr.1i;,,cncc,l
haellt':: out these things ter how how We were
~ =, yet tue materials ~ the bridge. "a large
ol',sisc shown: atsn, the !,c!t and bottles 1t.
t:ehcd, referred to Yesterday / then asked
Iii: where would bc the hist place to burn
tise bF'd:e. Tic said he didn't want to talk
about that. It was vessel we must talk OF.
Told Fin nnst have money 10 Fay eff IT,.
man on 1l,c bridge. He a.kca how much. !
4&Arn 7 p T.,
ncrr Gu the tug " or ~ nan On the bridge. d.
sad h. wo,.ll 20 to Rock Island tlxt night anal
dcIpSt $1,000 with i merchant named Dart
Joan DArt, l link, or with Mr. Chadwick, and
Tins Si0Vo should he rail "Wlcn tle bill Of
salr was lnadr l.,r thu vessel. and tie othe.
5000 when the thing was finished. We then
came down md separated. had mr. Rls.rll
watched during The day, as there was . war
r9ut out for him. At Fix or eight went to
y c. r. r. md looked for him. Then saw
hl'n n the nich1no nond House. Wer. iu aud
=arc him card written, "Dcttc: deposit with
Chadwick; / don't want TO know Dart-n Then
went down and told Dennis, who lad the war-
'ant, ,i!at he T:s there; Had nothing really to
20 Win The True and GilEcan aiInir In 1850
Never lsasfany transaction or talk with BisselI
as to any vessel craft
ttuss- Ernm;,,tI by Nr. McAyi.ter.-Am Il
N November last; never brlory,~l IL any
church; have religious heIirr, believe In =
Supreme Being wlsc r-::cs the Universe; think
about al1 the hell There is is on Garth. think
that mems own coEscieIlccs reward and nun.
~ them i'll this world; my opinion Of future
s'a'e = scarcely ma''': mp have no} t:cul,lc,i
myself much about it otlate 5ea.s; when Young
l used to believe all thcy preached; believe Z
iils'1 Is responsible irc for his acts to God: rs
t. hereafter, eaniot say; am proprietor Vi a
pollcc aschey; II IS independent, aud n1i un-
der Official authority; lis eco.e ia cf3lict;nt~
an arrests l1a-.ics WHEN cr.;invs;i + ~ ,.,,,.
p.oSea - Is usual to "trrl'; AID "pipc' men
~ collecting &c ci1::sl generally by legal pro-
trfs; EF".-t.1lrs without process, If titefl are
llaeie - ESCAPE; have been 80 employed hinc.
losb; GFst year had three mcn with me; next
year two; since then mono; npue in 1850 70
sometimes employ FROM S 10 Il men; have al
Ways been OF Randolph street; could not ray
aow many tnen arrest I'll The Course Of aycar,
of tns'u;;-h 1ay agency; may be from rs to a.,
more or les, rannot tell accurately: arst saw
Mr. 1i::til about the 1st Of April, 1637, III th:.
CITY; think liz fi-st c.i1lle 10 my Office will
lrucslcll, 10 taEr True 10 81 Louis, on a re-
1ui7itl''n l.:lu by Trucsdcll; dun't know wliicl,
i'ltr..5.tec1 me TO the otlcr; Bis-cli saw sou1c
u thc bankers here about Tr.ic arrangements
uLtL Tho requniiiou from st. Louis, aud then
sAnec swsntlled lrrs were to blare 1,ro rat4 i'll
whatever was realized by taking True back to
st. Luui~.
-.i.cf that Il rcquisition for NJ Gilman VII.
.'tacra in my lrau.ia At st. Louis-cMot1,cr for
3rcck; have uune of them in my lnuds DOW
'os'kcd fer :le:n tslr1y in June, nj his request
iuohcd through 4 drawer Of twenty Or Mnrc
rcpu;sitioas; he nas looking for shctn for Mr..
E@nll:ck; my impression was ard is that they
::.rc >"s,: u: 10 the tinso-nor nf Ncw Yurk.
wiio returned them Ei-.seli wanted them, anil
all IL .4e cs.i:! get the old Erqnisi'ion The
G"rtruar would grant nrw OH. IN certain
casts; it WAS il The r':ilmcr II 1850 VIC 1lr+t
:.l1Hcd the !'r.:-c; first employed 10
.@s':t.:.i ,r.;ert fnr Office ur t'.t' Bzi,:cc Cum
2aHx '@:a,; ~a~ ncx: c:at!'.yrd to ecEsc some
Hoticcs "n sir Farna1n; ucxi, TO find tic Of
Irc; last. I" serve no;i"es on NF. Judd; Biz
c:s rrti.l ted ,s:t IL 81; a:ce*s ia the Ga!tlla
lar. on It's bridge, which !1e thought had been
:a,l;7c-e.I; seat LILY uFot.!er, ASA T. Brstd-
lev. 4 surveyor, to Look; he reported lle cnull
I!i,I nothing; Mr.. McAll inr was away; not to
my know!.:1yc were they found, nor do / reg
ol.ct el tic SAINT; being sent q D;ssr!l; have
seen tllc rc"'rt as published; Hlssell WAS 1oE-
u. fur suppressed IH,T'tnu; never easr 1t !;
nr seut me NJ ii her notices; Mr. Chadwick il
an attorney, believe; l:c stnt M" nsnicc*, by
mail, t. strvc M Mr. Judd, which served !:
Sir. D;-scil tetd mt Ae Vas acting as IN agent
.or the removal OF tie Esil.c; tue notice not
serted returned to Kock island; fold Bis
sci, iu 80, perhaps, that Pinkerton aud Lis
l could lind ont i! It Wis ri. 10 lrt linn know.
'.hu.!i.H.-D:l you have ncn mr!oyrd, and
:, bill lt'r such services, III 1853:
-fns'rtE-l 10 not remember.
4HeA-Did you not say You lad two men
employed a:s.l nlalc out 4 till Of s3S5 for it
Ans.--it nl.y have bccu SO, but It has cs-
caj,cd rly memory.
tlNex-Don't you rccoIlect that he complain
cl fnat Pinkertons men were watchin. him,
iii! wi,,n liz cai,lc IL town tl4o-c whuln lu
had notices on kept out Of the Way!
-im-Afy hooks will *lluw If l,lI any
ear:c Of tho kind. will look them over:
tsu4s.--Nas it Eus for this reason that in 20
yos, ted lie had hcttcr not cou,c to your
u,llce, au,i was not another place of mcctlI, :,
Suggested?
-1us-1t WIS suggested, perhaps. I knew
ltnkcrton and Ills inca were employed by the
IL !. Il. Il. to. Bi>scll 1oli nlc tic supposed
r:,c ,a,u were watching him, aud hr may lsave
out Of III. way. lie told inc some one over
rlas s.ca hm iur surviving notices think 1t did
Iui ray t!,e former.
ttms.-Woulli it not be natural :l:a. anothc:
place shou'.; le tugseeted:
| Mr.. hSox-Tlu witness is sworn as to fact
and not as I'll expert. No mailer whether II
| was natural ur unnatural. VIA. Is the fact:
ilscr: LII. BEEN loo Muc., Of this loose tcsti-
tuuy-Bisscll !lciYg allowed to make ort hi:
| oWn casc by statements aud declarations frTtl
| ayaEt, nal mt u,adc 1T the time Ot our dccla
| ration.
| Mr.. McA11s7En-Thc tcstimonyis comrc
ir1t. We are proving what happened in 1853
| This is ltart of the same Interview and con
| tersati0t.
| tn. CoCRT.-It il competent, but not as It
| is briuy III, uEal ur unnatural
| testimony confiNued.-Thiuk did not In IS.
| tell Bisscll it would be more prudent f,r 1liu
nui TO come to tho Office, bat for nc TO 70 t
tic Richmond House, Don't rccollect wha
little last spring Biskcll brSan to press me fu
t!iusc 7cqu!sitlols. tnsc told you alrczdy
iuo1cd to lind them. ls4l never hal any ct,n
] versaIioa with the railruad company up 10 lis
:;me as to the bridge. 1t Is customary for mat
turs IL cuInc to me direct and duly authorized
work for pay, aud 1;,r responsible aud author
lied parties. No person employed with III
Ra;!loaa company ever passed word with nj
Il: to thu bridge until s.tcr the 18Th of April
xhcu went IL Mr. Traeys office from seciuy
Bl>seu 1T thc Richmond House Witness DE-
tailed the interview as In direct examination
II taat interview ! may have pointed out II.
Lrwrcnce as one Of fiuker:on'5 Men think
wurd in tAc parlur US to the Gilman rcquis
| lion.
Vu4.-Aftcr you went into the paslor di
not yuu suggest to linn you could get up
plan to set iii Of tue bridge:
-dns.-Ncycr, ir; ntvef, sir.
KN&.-UIu you uoL ray you Npul1 like l
get up plan 10 out-gcncral Pinkcron's nc
who were watching tiie bridge:
-1'n.-Not at that Interview. Made no sue
proposition then TO out-.encral Pinkerton.
QHts Did you not make it by insinuatton
-1nx-So, sir. lie asked II he could talk I
NE coufl4eutiauy. said he could- He aske
| ii 1 wanted 10 make 5000 or $4,000. said
did. lie said hc wanted tho bridge burned
would pay mo that, aud furnish man an
material told him would do it. made u
lny mind yc1y quick. lie said the attempt
| hnr1A It before, had failed; If I took ho'
oi II, it would win; / remarked that it ":
a!~,iys supposed that aticmpt was rlsc
6y.D1fiat f1{. he said Ii