The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-12

Re right honorable gentleman carries ms back 10 She
ace OF Utrecht and that in that treaty OF
fnnerce was made known by message from the Crown,
must recolect that that treaty Of part
stance where asAty bore pacicason and related
The condition OF the whole Of Europe was proper that
should be made known by message from the Crown It
was after all question OF form whether we we're
he liberty or on the discussions Of the House Hear
hsnY) consded, SIR that discussion question OF
Ibis kind is puerle Cheers Il matters very little in
The right gentleman has referred 10 tho cr-
rins OF Mr. Fox and sbocd Ike to know To what extent
wish TO enforce the opinions uttered by Mr. Fox on the
FreIch treaty. Though those opinions were not very
relevant to the case and were not acted upon by tho
House Of Commons, admit that he took view Of the
necessities Of the very different from that taken by
Mr. Pm Had Mr.. Pitt lived in our time, and been con-
mepts be would have asked what the exgen
cts Of all the great interest,". involved end wond have
proreeded ID conformity with the answer which bis en-
bRh&red intellect would have given. (Iiear, hear.)
What was the conduct OF Mr.. Fox2 He did not want
undue delay, but he was not ready 60 1t into
the discussion and he demanded delay because he said
France our natural enemy, and Mr. Fox might be-
right in demanding delay; but tho right honorable gentle
Of Mr. Fox though he Is wanting in the motives which
lent 10 Mr. Foxs principle substance and meaning cloud
tbeers) Mr.. Pitt propose COMMITTEES OF the Whole
Msstys government seriously considered the question
whether they should propoee Committee Of the Whole
cane 70 the copclusion that Mr. P was right IN adopting
the form Of committee and that they would have been
wrong bndIy under the influence Of precedent they
had adopted the same form In state Of facts perfectly
dinernt cloud cheers) The very terms Of Mr.. Puts
treaty in the resolutions that Ministers submitted
the House Does the right honorable gentleman think
that we had proceeded in that course wou; have been
accordance with the public welfare and would have
public ounndenoef The honorable rense.
haf nda
then would have been consistent with the general feeling
OF the House that should have down and proposed
hear) Every mind at answer that such
course would have been impossible. We could not
have asked the House 70 60 INTO committee on the treaty
with France, and then have proposed legislation in
comm ercisl matters which would have been beyond
their scope to deal with. could not have asked them
to 60 into committee on the subject Of French wines and
then have invited them 10 60 Into committee reso
luton relating 70 all kinds Of wines. Now, to
sIs WnO 70 r The
commerce OF the country BY great changes, devised
enebtentd spir, and who are acting in the Of
parliAen tary law and preoeden-Not that claim for
ourselves praise which due 10 Mr. PITT, who stood
in The 'front.' Of his party his countrymen IN enforcing
the adoption Of great and sound principles
Nee viget qyiequAn smie, aut secundum-
We are only privileged TO help forward the completion Of
ssful orignators We propose to you committee on
the Customs ACTS In which oil these changes may be
fully discussed and that those better follow the pre-
cecent Of Mr.. Pitt who act In She spirit Of his conduct,
than those who abancon the spirit in which he acted and
In blind superstition cling 70 the mere antiquarian form
Aec,smstson and Enn1 not vhst ~ 1h.;ar
forward the mere letter Of formula (Cheers.1
treaty sra has "a he nrocosa tneres r.c;ss,, ,h @
same 'thnos We are eonr N nronoes ne "a n"t .mS
nit the negotiations Of his treaty assent Of PArlia
dosJ 10 -. ~ mi The c,orsss of trastv ~ H. 49, -
the clerk At the table, and ask the sense OF the House up
sss n
under The coepizance Of Psrsment she most VITA
ard spbstanfis1 parts az Tho treaty which "a hare
advised her Majesty 10 adopt and that won,S
have been the direct eifect Of our nro
ceedipg; and coubt whether there d in
The ire y single article recurring lec,slaye sanction
which would not have been embraced n ha reso,ons nf
which have given notice. the r;ght honor
to have sdyised ns Soveresn 70 make treatv n whc
Parliament ss the right honorable gentleman thinks has
The right direct legislative ,ion and he thinks can
opy be through tpadyer,ence that this oould hannen
But there have been ministers 30 osensb 10 their dtie
that they have entered into agreements which required
l. sative sanction but Who no doDbt thropsh inndvor
frgoten TO ask for that lectalsve
sanction RE last Instance remember occnrred In
treaty with Northern power in the 2oth article Of which
II wseoupbt TO make provision against the franinent
use of trade marks and her Britannia Majesty nrreed
10 recommend to Parliament to complete The stinuIs
With fore,pn power never came to Parisment 10 an.
prove the provision when thew Laid the tressv N tbe
snd bs ~ sne bc ,h 1;a once
ceptemou formed a mart ICneere ana ianrhter :
There are other parts Of M Pitts Pc se.dings in Which
The fu,ure We have no desire To ints-ss,o ;. ~ ~,
ertv of snt as 70 the provsons ~ ,b;s ,s o ~
deed we have des,red 10 have The onn,ons az th E
upop the subiact and II we have erred n has hsen t
loo r,sid adherence 20 the pocedent OF Mr. P,t pn, -
the risht bonorable ceptIepan wisbcd fnr a, a,,rS
that The House of Commons shsll declsyc he @
Inc tire sy anart from ali ,h.se enoooemsrs Ia 49,
z to say il ia the iotepton Of me goyernment in casa
he House shond so think a. to submit that So
of the House and 10 aak the on,on NJ h
orse urou The treaty. az Whole 1bear heas We do
not take that course from Tho ession Tho.
self actually rcoures the eeisarive sanction ~ parH
ment The only moe bv which Parliament couid ssst
out .f The king never d that Il great ~
but Parliament might ole: Parliament misht be a;sso,v3
to morrow ana the rext might nndo the acts If
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