The Richmond palladium. [volume] (Richmond, Ind.) 1855-1875, 1860-06-28

vere evolved cootiruing to make strong poin
upon the popular side of the Kansas question
| all the time. We had Governors election 60
| ing on Governor Packer was the Democrat ie
candidate, and David WImot was the Repub
can candidate. Governor P Packer planted himself
firmly on the principle OF popular sovereignty
i and BY that more than aoy other means sue
ceeded in completely defea,iog Mr.. Wimot-
may say that The Press was his most etficen,
/ advocate in that campaign shortly before the
| eiection-I do not recollect the date. bat every
| everybody knows the tisne--the Oxford and
Mct;ee frauds in the Territory of Kansas were
| exposed. / took strong grounds for Governor
Walker and Frederick T. Stanton in my paper,
and continued to steaai!y sustain them.
Mr.. Robinson. Aud oppose these frauds?
The Witness. Yes sir, opposed these frands.
l had at that time correspondent 10 WASH
Ington, .tr. McEIhone, who was cni;ec:ing infor-
nation for my paper. and ne gave me- the very
first intmaion that my course met the disap-
probation Of the Administration in that respect
BY writGg me q letter; bat | had become so
fully committed to that line Of policy that to
abandon it wonId be to disgrace myself. This
wae . source to me Of very great pain. because
/ then saw that unless was tolerated in stand
ing by that which believed to be right diff
cuity with MIR. Buchanans Administration a.
inevitable. 10 the subsequent affair Of Lecomp-
ton, which regard q somewhat logical result
Of the rejection of these frauds-,hst il. the
opposition Of Governor Walker aud Mr. Stan
ton to the Lecompton p, ,iiey of the Admins
tration-I vas their s5e and think that
may say that before Jodge Douglas had taken
his position publicly, my paper bad announced
its conrse and maintained it steadily to the end
l came to " ashington very anxiOus to be on
good terms with Mr.. Buchanan. This was.
think, after the Pos, Office blanks had been die
posed Of: and told him that l had been COM
mitted to tbis policy. and that it vas impossible
fo. IN uo ha had ~. i L
course because certain Southern States had
threatened that il he did no: abandon Walkes
and Stanton they would be compelled either to
secede from the Uoion or take up arms against
him. / told him that federation was all that we
required; he could maintain himself in changing
bis course, but l. a single Individual, could not
I wanted to be permitted to differ on this sus-
tanning every other part OF the policy of his
Administration. to which he responded. No; that
he intended to make his policy q test 10 the
Democratic party l said: MIR. buchanan if
that Is the case. we shall have to defend our
selves ia the best way we can" Subsequent to
that we had what conceive to be series Of
prescriptions such as no civilized country has
ever seen exercised upon Independent men; and
took up arms in my State agains: those pro-
scriptions That is about all that think peril
nent to my relations with Mr. Buchanan. The
rest is public. Any other questions which you
have to ask am ready to answer.
By Mr.. Robinson. I will state that there b
. discrepancy between the testimony of judge
Black ami Mr.. Webster-Mr Webster seatine
that he held q conversation with Judge Black
who promised that if you would take q certain
course 10 your paper you should have the print
ing OF the Postoffice blanks. Now Judge Black
says he did not make promise OF that kind,
but told Mr.. Webster that he and y GU must re.
ly upon your own infiu lance to obtain them
want you to state what Mr.. Webster commu-
nicated TO you. as being the language Of Judge
Black when he returned to Philadelphia
A. Mr.. Webster telegraphed TO me to meet
him at the Broad and Prime sti eet depot; went
up there and took my friend, Mr.. NcGraw, with
me in the carriage, a1d when We got out there
and Mr.. Webster arrived. he said. Il wat you
to listen to what l have got to says" was ex-
tremely sensitive about my position; felt that
was ght and did not want to be put ia an
attitude Of abandoning that position. Said he,
" on can get alt that Postofice printing il you
will write an editorial as long Us your hand ex.
pressing your determination never TO become .
Republican, Said / To him, instantly, "Web-
ster, for the seas worth could make no such
declaration; l have done not hing that is wrong.
and if having spent nearly lifetime in the Dem.
ocratic party is not q sufficieGt assurance of my
integrity, can give no pledges McGrsw said
to me, ou are right; You have ans~ered jast
As your friends expected yon to answer" And
understood Mr.. Webster to say that he was
authorized by Judge Black to make that propo.
sition. and l always regarded Judge Black as
having exclusive control of that Postoffice prin-
ting. That it was done with the knowledge Of
Mr.. Buchanan all through, l have no manner of
doubt.
MIR. Winslow objected to the receipt o! the
affirmation of the witness that he had no doubt
of the knowledge Of the President of this prop
ostioo.
Q. understand you to say what you under
stood Mr.. Webster to state % you that this was
Q promise from Judge Back.
A. Yes. sir.
Q Not that he would use bis influence. bat
promise:
A. so understood it, wish 10 remark
that do not know what my friend. Charles
Brown has testified to here. except in q general
way; bu, certainly regard Mr.. Bro o~n in bis
interview with the President upoa the subject,
understanding the President as having treated
on this matter Of Post Office blanks
By the Chairman-Q wish to ask you some
questions with regard to money matters in Peno-
sylvanis during the canvass of 1856 Did you,
during the canvass Of 1856. have ffeqaent inter
views with Mr.. Buchanan relative TO the use of
money in sha canvasf
a. We had interviews
Q. Can yoa refer to any Of themi
A. l can refer to no particular one: there
we're many of them We used mouey in that
canvass as all parties do. as parties are using
money nov.
q Did Mr. Buchanan make any objections to
usioz money 10 the election.
A. No. sir.
Q Had you any letters or dispatches oD tha:
subjectf
A Never; not one.
Q. Then, it was only coarersationss
A. Con yer ss,ioas Of general Character, snd
wholly unobiectiooable-
b. Mr.. winslo~-Q Wien vas the Senate.
rial election ia PenasyIvania,
A. 10 January. 1857
Q. think you said that You had the assistance
OF the President 90 fer ~ he could give III
A. Yes. sir; 50 said
O. Who vas your opponent!
A. General Cameron.
Q. Do you know anything about any corrupt
means being csed to defeat you in that electioni
A. / do rot
@. When vas it that Mr.. Weudell made the
proposition to yoa Of which yoa speak!
A. nectinnsd that in the testimony have
already given
Q Yoa nenfioaed. in the frss place, that the
President vho wrote . letter TO yoa. and that
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