The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-06-19

Have you read the testimony OF Governor wailers
Do you know the substance Of il, A. read IL at the time
ii was published; think saw the most Of II, AZ.
rate.
Q Have YOU read the ties. .mony of Mr. M,ris, taken
before THIS coinmi''ee' A. Yes sir have read that
Q Mr. Martin states IN his testimony that
by tho OF Hugh NJ Moore, in Kansas!
| A. Yes, Sr; Hugh H. Moore member Of the Le-
compton Convention, and think Vice President OF that
Convention. Hc acquaintance OF mine, who had
| moved from Georgia there.
Q. Where does be reside nows A. He resides in
| O Would you have any objections 10 stating to the
committee the general tenor OF that letter TO sr Mooref
he was suffered to read it, only state the object
Of the letter recolect distinctly why wrote the let
Ter MAS perhaps letter o. some ,a and n'e
copy OF IT, is doubtful whether have. The object OF
the letter was to urge upon Mr. Moore me submission of
That the point OF the letter. endeavored TO argue
with him. / did not know what his views upon
! the subject were; but that to be
subject Of discussion, and / entertained the
opinion myself that it ought to be sub
fcuIties OF that convention have
submitted and this letter was, recollect it,
urgent and strong an argument capable OF max
ing in favor Of the submission of the constitution TO the
people.
A. Yes, sir the submission Of the entire constitution
The manner in which 1t submitted TO the people
never had heard suggested until that ii had been
@ Was Mr.. Martin charged with any errand
sage from you or any paper or writing puportng TO he
draught Of constitution which he directed to press
upon the people Of Kansas, instead out and out sub
mlssony A. nerer s1w any drdught or heard Of
Slseass Il With THE % SG %s that M
one which i discussed Ia that letter and
that was press upon ,e convention tie propry Of the
submission Of the constitution
q Do you know OF any programme writing OF that
Kind having been sent out by the President any
Ter OF the Cabnetl A. I do not
y Have you any reason u believe that was done
A. have not
dent and the Cabinet upon this subcc is probable that
| you would have known tr A. 1t is probable that
would. was looking with great earnesncss to what
would be the action OF thai convention, and when the
uews was received Il considered that, the one
question al iSsae-he sarery qneaion-had been submitted
ciIt,alty carrying on IA Iolicy Of submission.
O. Are you acquainted with John W. Forncy, Clerk Of
! tls Housc of Representatives. 4. Yes. sir.
q. ID know whether Colonel Forncy, at any time
after III inauguration OF the President applicant
or an Office under The President within the gin OF the
adnin.sii atom A. terms 81 very great init
mac! with Colonel Eoshty ai Wa sincerely anxious TO
! scrve him in any way coult ] met him good
! Many occasions, cannot say how olen between the
tine of tie Inauguration of The President and the tim,
phrn be finally becam" yioon, opponen, Of tn, Pres
dent personally ana OF tho administration; and during
that time had interviews with hun, with view to
serve linn in any manner could. Ny memory is not
yer! good about d,tc. but according to recollection
toih tcfore and after Colonel fb1y established his paper,
The Press" he erffcyey 10 get the Post Ohce
Hanks printing, and ,op equally aarous TO obtain II for
! him. lie frequently pressed upon this applicd-
iioR and pressed upon the aiminsrotion-ppon the
President, I regretted very much at the time that il
could not be cbtaiurd and ] expressed to him during
csc interviews the h,pe aud belief thu, would b. able
10 obtain for him that patronage portion of IL; did
not know how much it worth; and that hope and be-
! lf founded upon expressions of strong personal
friendship and attachment the part of the President
ol coloe Forney Ccoae! fcrney had become distrust
l Of the President friendship, and sought to relieve
Ms mind by expressing that hone and confidence told
him that kneH the President t. be- he had always
been his friend and thought this thing might b.
effected and continued my efforts TO do this until he
placed q out Of my power by the which he adopted
The reason Of the delay dposing of the question
the determination of the President not to give this print
ug until after Congress should aud have OPP
porunity Of acting upon the subject
q Colonel Furneys paper established in August
think. VIII that date assist you TO fix the time in your
mind when these conversations took placct A think II
was before and after that convcrsrd with Colo
mel Forncy when he here and he visited here upon
more than occas ou Until that break took place be-
did him, and never met him wthou, having
conversation with him IN reference to hi, future
Aer he determined to establish Ms paper said to him
that anxious for his success, aud anxious that he
! might have this patronage which he so much desired
which would enable him to put his paper upon strong
understand You to say that generally, in his inter
views with you Colonel Forncy expressed desire to pro
the printing Of the Post Once blanks A. Yes, sir
@ That you say, both before ana after the estab-
ishmcni Of his papers Tnai is my impression II
wss 'aTe S,rS0, very ho nsn as Se" h.
talked this thing and subject cf rerg edrnea
onrcrsation bsren Coond Fbrney and myseif He knew
II the time earnest desire to do anything for him that
| could do.
O Do you rccolec the paper called the letter of the
| forty parsons to the President. A. Yes, sir.
| O. 10 you know when that letter reached thePres-
dent and became the subject of newspaper comment A.
rccolect the fact, but do not remember the date
q Can you state whether after that, Colonel forney
still continued his application for the Post Office blanks
A. think so, because recocct distinctly, you will
By the files Of his paper that the letter very
boldly endorsed by Colunel Forney gave cause OF
offence at tina, time. II received his enthusiastic ap-
/ prevail
O Do you know anything abou, the Offer to Colonel
Forney OF the Consulate at Iiverpooly A. Yes, sir:
know the President rendered him the Consulate Liver
pool and think, from my conversation with the Prcsi.
dent the time that he anxious that Colonel Forney
should take the Consulate at Liverpool Colonel Eorney
had desired TO come TO Washington editor Of the organ
rs u termed. but there very violent opposition
upon the part OF southern friends Of the aninistra
tion-orTcsiticn particularly from vrginia-to Colonel
Torncys coming and the Presidents idea that II he
would 60 TO Liverpool by the salary Of that office and
also by the Of his pen correspondent Of the Union
be would write down the prejudice OF the south agans,
him. and then he could return here IN The course Of his
administrator, and he stiii desired to do so he could
| become the editor q the paper
H. YOU know whether Juige Black pressed upon the
President equal, with yourself the giving OF the printing
Il the Post Office blanks o. Colonel forncyf A. know
that be did Judge Black and myself had repeated inter
views about t. We were. perhaps, terms OF greater
personal int macy with Colonel forney than any other
beers of the Cabinet. | know that Judge Black took
deep interest this matter; aud the subject OF
rcatcd conversations between Judge Black and myself
lie expressed to me the anxiety that expressed
him 10 obtain this patronage for Colonel Iorncy.
Y. nd you have a conversation with Colonel For
ncy touching the prcpricty Of hi. acceptance Of the LAYER
pool Consulate A. have had CONVEX aticns with him
IN reference % that matter. Colonel fcrney at
time inclined, and perhaps had determined, to accept that
| appointment. bui Mrs. forncy, he said o. me.
vas very much opposed TO a. The nnal dcci.
sion was dependent what Mrs. forney would
Recommendations she would agree 10 II or
not. and cf his friends invited 10 talk with
Mrs forncy. and " she could be reconccd to u.
Among others, she spoke To- me upon the subject Mrs
lorncy at the time ut Mr.. Hcovcrs, in this city.
did not have interview with Mrs. Forney upon the
subject for the that Colonel fornsy said me
that useless 60 mention the subject 30 her other
friends had spoken n her and she opposed 10 Il and
being In very delicate health he did not wsh 10 have
her disturbed by any further reference 10 the matter.
y Can you hx the time when that was A. | cannot tx
the time. II might be asceriancd from the fact that
Mrs forncy here sick at Mr.. Hcovers. II pre-.
yous 20 the establishment " his paper.
Y your conversation with Col Forney touching the
A