The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-12

vou1o re m.ny 49,. (nesr, near) Ihe fe9 iaos
Of tho honorable genemen opposite wore annoyed :. tho
treaty nom beginning 70 end that another portion did NOT
thought that an attack might be made on The govern
mont with some Success and that the treaty might bo
damaged or 9yerthrown H. however, they were agaiast
forward substantive resolution TO that enscU Ths
resolution OF the honorable member for Essex did, without
eotcd " his resolution 10 reduction Of duties diminishing
the ordinary revenue Tho duties the ordinary
and be therefore went long way 70 condemn tbs treaty
eogether He had no objection 70 that and thought 1t
AR he was free to sim that they could not exaggerase
the correctness Of the policy the greatness Of the good
which he believed this country and France, and Europe
generally would derive from the treaty that had been
debate Let there be one Of the House for il and
another against H. but let them tight manfnlly (Hsar
hear Ist them take the course Of leaders, course
thss one half who would VOC Tor him would rather he
had MOI aken and who had put resolution on the paper
thai no one could understand CO.. oh and on which
not even compliment him upon, aud spoke OF 1t a.
not being either very grammatical or sensible produc-
treaty In the least They would settle the question Of coal
BY and bye, but every who knew anything about
knew That the whole navy OF France did mot In
ono year hall ~ much coal single coiery 10 Eng
land could produce; and amer ALL II sort Of thing
which the right hon gestlemsn speaking year Of the
than aea bite Gaughser shey were not sverss to
the reasy-and he gave the right honorable gentleman
s sn Ss and mOs
mode Of considering with view 70 advancing the pub.
Nc interest," let them consider what the proper
10 pursue. He M. BfighD much Ia favor OF
treaty that he could vote for 1t altogether as il was He
WAS 20 much in favor Of all the great free trade measures
OF the budget that he could vots for the budget was
(Hcar, hear.) But he did not ask others TO DO the
same, the House Of Commons TO come, as 1t WERE
BY lesp % the same conclusion. An he could do
was 70 ask the House TO consider well the great in
teres1 involved in the question: they had right TO
make y the stalking horse for party or question
wnicn 70 ngnt, night AFTER night without dealing with
definite treat
or budget Suppose the government took the re-
Commended ssd bad gone through The treaty ANA pasad
what would have been their position? They could not
have gone into the details OF the treaty. and they would
have been precuded from considering all the propositions
OF the Chancellor OF tho 200 out Of pro-
badly 400 articles They would be shut from consider
changes void have shut out the House from the ex
ercise Of OF its MOST valuable priy
isges and rights o. examining ssratim every proposition
His notion looking the expeding Of business was that
they should through the budget accept they could
might offer them many things they did not like, and
there might be in the treaty, In other things in
maS he sooa ana Da and
in order that there might be no delay with re-
gard to the treaty that might pass as was But after
that was in the treaty that could take effect
through the resolutions Of the budget there would re-
the attention OF the House, Nothing could be more easy
and rational than the adoption such course he was
na :" . nsa no IDEA OF
sent state Of things produced In the country; but Il
might be assumed from the deputatons, and meetings
and letters that were received upon the subject very
large portion Of that which annoyed persons In trade
when such changes IS the present proposed was
uncertainty and difficulty that existed during the three
or four weeks Of suspense to which they subjected
BY ne House I they believed the proposed line
the treaty be bad and nevertheless they opposed
and threw out and wished 70 dkpossess the
manner ear, hear They that side Of the House were
mainly In favor Of the proposition. They decided by
a. Let specific resolution be proposed and clear de-
bate follow ON well defined resolution, and, although
they might talk until Friday or Friday week, doubt
the country would gain by the discussion the intor
nation elected, and be eventually satisfied with the de-
cisioe- Euey CAambsr Of Commerce, epcry meen0 eue,y
proposed r. asked honorable gentlemen for the sake of
party interests ro 70 be led astrsy 1t was important
this question should be speedily settled. When he met
any member in private the tone OF his discourse was
these thing TO be done let get them done. He
would argue then the provisions OF the budget
He did shape his keep honorsbe gem
temen who occupied ii on the ministerial bench, or
in their present position If honorable Gentlemen oppo
site Lad coarageously proposed similar policy, they
should have had as warm support from him could ba
by the present occupants Of the Treasury bench
LORD j. RUssLI though. the right honorable gentle
did quite understand Il till k laid the table. He
seoet mot 70 have framed he amendmentn consequence
he treaty. but from an Observation which fen from my
right honorable friend the Secretary OF War; who, Ia
speaking u the volunteer corps said they were apt TO
Of In close order. The right honorable genteusn in
stsed Of moving that close order indicated by the
emsndns1t Of the honorable member for E.es has en-
question : sheshsr he xS W propo:s proper way
orabls gentlemen on the other side Of tho amendment
does mot quite seem 10 Accord because In the one case
mite. o Ss Ac III W. have 81 s
engagements Of the treaty, and In tho other case to
that nrst OF al 10 have the treaty laid upon the
70 that course is obvious and wss stated BY nv rsht
honorable friend, the Chancelor Of the Exchequer who
French wines should be reduced 10 g. gallon wac pro-
posed the House would have TO 60 into COMMITTEES 70
accomplish that and that then they would have 70 60 into
the WHOLE the House would then have had say whether
approved Of the treaty whole. The SCOPE Of the
nov % e much pSss than
for Wangford and honorable gentlemen who spoke last
consider that every individual clause Of tho treaty ought
Mr.. s FirzeERAD-Every clause that requires legisla-
tive enactment
siders requires legislative sanction, for he would
put his own Interpretation on what clauses re-
quired legislative sanction, and this retren shmsnt
and supported by the great conservative party.
What they mean n plain, that with regard to every
treaty made by the prerogotvc, instead OF taking the
hitherto pursued they TO take each Of
the treaty and accept condemn t. There parts in
commercial treaties, Ia true, which require legislative
SANCTION because they relate to the remission or duties
but they cay that every clause should be before
the House say that o would not be con-
forable 10 the constitution Yet that pro position
Of honorable gentlemen oppQ6ite (Cneers) The right
honorable gentleman proposes that the acts Of the Crown
toned by the House Of omoos He refers to the third
article which has been muoh misunderstood. The treaty
Is one OF relating the productions OF each
country upon which there 10 be duty, and states
in the third article that claims fhai be made tns
treaty with regard shipping that Is to say that ship
ping In 1850 Is remain liable TO tho duties in
1859 That requires no assent from this House. The
French government proposes change and assent is
necessary; yet the honorable gentleman requires that
clause to be brought before this House aud discussed
10 perfectly competent for the honorable member for
Sunderland to say treaty OF commerce 10 not worth
having which does not alter the shipping duties, and
resolution that effect would put end TO tho treaty Ia
legitimate way; but 70 60 into treaty, part Of which