The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-24
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WIN BEITe' pKPO@T1oN.
reside IN Byooklyp: am physical prac.ised In the
CArstapg family the repulascn Of the sisters not
good cannot ttase any particular fact; by the
name or Ttop 70 board with the family I am not
aware Of Enc Csrstapg having been In the
fsm. wsy; my Impression is that was not the regular
family ply ician ias;eneed Mrs Seaman tpsiuuas sis,
woman a that time, understood; when she mscaIred
think abe WAS living vito her husband.
] i've in Brooklyn knew the osrstang sisters; their
reputation was not considered good knew old Mrs Sea
and my Ss q 9I Oh
stead introduced 10 Mrs Seaman thok that the
mother OF Emma Hampstead, OF Bardell notoriety the
Csrsarg and Hampstead girls would communicate with
each other think the Hampstead girls occasionally
to attend prayer meeting in the house of Mr. Carsang
Dnrosrrlox or JOHN n. oocRASE.
live on Fa,lsne avenue in the city OF Brooklyn 10 the
State Of New York. O. 10 you know OF any bodys
having Illicit with Fife CsrssapgS A. can't
or that you refuse 10 answer nY A. refuse answer H.
O. Why Go you resuse3 A. don't know that have any
70 @ Of the eo"pse for
defendant he (he Commissioner explained to the wit
nets the rfh privileges and duties Of witness after
which explanation the witness the stand answered
follows to the Commission TO wit :-"I do not wish
commit myfelfn cam bound to commit myselff''
ZINES. bad illicit intercourse with Enc CarssangY A.
refuse TO answer that question. Q. Why do you
refuse9 A. Because DO not wish TO- Q. Why
don't you wish TO answer that question A. I don't
wish TO crimipsts myself @ Do you know Of Ellie Cars
haviDg illicit nerooufse with any body beside your
A., q A. 1
am, sir How long have you been marriedY A. I
have been married about twenty-five years. "a near as
can rscollect; have my third wife now. Q. Did you
ever veit File Csrsang and II So what year. as near a
you can come at IN A. Yes sir think from 1888 until
1890 where in the mean time. O Were you single
ouaipance; as for date can't be positive: am taken
unawares. Q. Did you visit her after 1870, and
e, :: what q ps was At her OWN
Der after ls4o but can't give the da.e O. Between
1888 ana is4o aid you ever kiss and hug Es CsrsansY
stated to the witness that the acts inquired for ia TIE
INV sush offence 10 tbs law al would subject The Wncss
20 criminal and also that ia the DUTY of tina
wness to tell the truth inquired for, and the same
further state That the plaintiff who present. demands
ba The witness tbsii .pswer ssid last oucstiou 10 Wit
and in rcnv 70 ssd oueson he said T,ncss
answered as follows: Eyes sir';l How many timess
A. could nottel never kept couot Of them Q Did You
da,t. O. Was there snv Depson uressSt when ~ Won
khesd and hueeed her. except yoarsebY A. No. air
on the street n bouse or vbereY A. In her fathers
house o. when You kissed and Rugged her in her
fathers house, was she dressed undressedP She
huseed her in her fsther,s houseS A ooudnt ssv air
O. Mere You ever in bed win her between 1888 and $50
Won ever IN or On Sed Win her nj anv tl'mac
IN he'd ~itS her How msns , ny s''s a.. IVES
Inv crs s,o nye.sst hen % and ~. W ~ ~ %
enc .r ma yon sre we're on .ne 0ea
hand IN The bosom Of Efie Cais.sDgy A. Yes, cir,
have O. How many times have Won hsd ronr HAND. IN
Ssr Icsccn Csnk saw toe ~ ,brs. ;., ".n snh
bjy. o. Did Won ever feel her naked breasts Yes
q. Did YOU never feel EfIea amer nerson
any where except in her father IS house A. Yes sir
Slate every o:Aer place A. Once At John wsss.:
VAS called "fbe acheor,s Hall" who ,vaS IN ,ne
house called 1Thc Hache,or,s Ua,yS John Wascsm az
A. Yes ar @ In the DAYTIME or in the niabty IN
the night O. How did ouIcome there toeeiher9 A 7
ussd 70 60 mere most every hight. 9 DID you and
A. Separately. @ Before you got to John wsscali's
house did you know that abe would be there? No, SIR
neht TO John Wascas house? A. Some Young Iadv or
Other think her gjster Mrs Seaman viii not be car
tain. 9; Any body elsef A. believe not; not TO my
house Of John Wascalsp A. think hut two one room
and a Kitchen. O. How did YOU happen To- meet ETse
point eptp A. Accidental. O. when Won first saw Nar
that niebt " an abe on the sreet or In the honse9 a
6; into the garden While was there What became
Think they we're together in the garden looking trouah H.
j cd not see The separated to nv tnowedre Wsrs'
Light 4. Beth Of them O. state whether YOU felt the
psIson Of Efie Cs1sapg with your hands in Wsscan,s
e1Sss that Ssa Yes % Where The other
State whether she vas in the same room that YOU and
Ellie were in the timer A. think she was in the same
Wsrcss house was there any other Il IA house,
except Fife and that other woman and yourselfS Yes
sir O. Who was that other pcrsonf a. Mr. Wascsil
Q What is his first nameY A. John O. Is be living or
deadP A. Dead O. Do you know what he was doing al
that particular momentf A. Carrying on with The
other girl, / believe: laughing and Joking. O. Did
they rec you? A. That's more than / can tell
you; they saw US carrying on together; we had an
been carrying on laughing and jokine for some time
O. How long did Enc and The other woman and Wsscall
and yourself remain in Wascale house that niphtp
could not cay how long we were in the house: a little
WHILE short time; We were in and out the house half
dozen times. O. Where did you and Efle part COMPANY
that pieht9 In front of her door; her fathers door
O. Where was the other woman when Won parted GONNA
nv with herr. A. She was with her o. what became
Of the ether woman after You parted COMPANY with herr
A. They went into the house. B. Together 4 Yes sr.
O Whose house did they 70 intoS a. Mr. Carstspsa
Q Don't you know who that other woman wssS A. I
could mot tell for certain; think ii was her sister;
ever see that other woman about the house OF MI cara
tang st any other timer A. cannot saw cannot reool
lec n WAS her sister have seen her eround The hons
oood rrenv tin,e. sfervs,d, dor;, rrn. -nsshs. ~