Wabash express. [volume] (Terre-Haute, Vigo Co[unty], Ind.) 1841-186?, 1860-06-27

Na- It<otft1 10 10 1Al0s on Gavin
establish Democratic paper In rhiladc
phia, and sustain It," told him thou Il
. could, IL ! had any ability in the worl
, IL was for that. Up 20 that period We h'
good many papers, but we had not had
progressive Democratic paper thsre. su
never anticipated any diffcalty with hia
paper myself ss 10 be enabled 10 secure a
patronage of tie Adm pistrsttoa, aud tt
cor fdeDce of the oarty. The money thl
was subscribed for that paper was raise
by gentlemen outside OF the Administr,
tion. Mr. Buchanan himself offered throug
Judge Black. one or two thousand dollar
which declined. not dcsiriag TO be un nds
any obligations TO him Now, that wa
an applicant for public printing in the De
partmeuts, n wholly unfounded. That
would have taken the Post Office blanks a
that time Is true. am practical printer
| was reared in printing Office; aud
thought IL that were offered 10 me. "a
was constantly offered. IL ould be perfect 1
ly consistent with my trade and my pape
10 take IL: but as 10 my ever asking Tor il
or taking any steps 20 secure IL. with N,
present recollection the charge is most un
founded Before starting my paper pre-
i
asserted the principles OF popular sover
eighty fully; and so cautious was / not u
get iuto difficulty with the Administra
ton and The party. that ] submitted that
address to Judge Black 10 proof sheets
telling him that il my illusions to Mr.. Bu.
chanan were not strong enough, he should
make them stronger; aud be did amen th at
opening article; so started my paper
ID IL - IL
which was started on the first Of August
1857. Judge Black wrote me a letter, 10
which he stated that 1 should continue TO
adhere to the principle Of popular sover.
eighty, and that the Administration would
adhere to it. The paper vas started. and
its columns show how little I was affected
by patronage or by disappointment. be.
cause stood by every measure Of the Ad-
miuistration rs fast as they were evolved,
continuing to make a stropg point upon
the popular side Of the Kansas question all
the time. We had a Governors election
going on. Governor Packer was the Dem
ocratic candidate, aud David Wilmot was
the Republican candidate. Governor Pack
er planted himself firmly on the principle
Of popular sovereignty. and by that more
than any other means succeeded in com
pletely defeating Mr.. Wilmot | may say
that The Press was his most efficient ad-
vocate ia that campaign. shortly before
the election--I do not recollect the date
but every body knows the time-the Oxford
and MCGEE frauds in the Territory Of Kan.
sas were exposed. took strong grounds
for Governor,W W slker aud Frederick p. Stan
ton in my paper, and continued steadily
to sustain them.
Mr.. Robinson. Aud oppose those fraudss
The Witness. Yes. sir; | opposed the
frauds. | had al that time correspondent
in Washington. Mr. McElhone, who was
collecting information for my paper. and
he gave me the very first intimstIou that
nv course met the disapprobation OF the
Administration in that respect, by writing
me letter; bat bad become so fully com
m tied to that line Of policy that to abandon
il would be TO disgrace myself This was
a source TO me OF very great pain, because
[ then saw that. unless | vas tolerated in
standing by that which believed TO be
right, a difficulty with Mr.. Buchauan's
Administration was inevitable. Ia the
subsequent affair OF Lecompton, which |
regarded as a somewhat logical result OF
the rejection OF these frauds-that is, the
opposition Of Governor Walker aud Mr..
Stanton to the Lecompton policy of the
Administrations was on their side: and
think | may say thst before Judge Doug
las had taken his position publicly, my
paper had announced its course. AID main.
tanned it steadily to the end. came to
Washington very anxious. TO be on good
terms with Mr.. Buchanan. This was, |
think, after the Post o. flee blanks had been
disposed of: and told him that had been
committed TO this policy, aud that it was
impossible for me to change. He said he
had changed his course because certain
Southern States had threatened that lf ne
did not abandon Walker and Stanton thew
would be compelled either to seceie from
the Union or take up arms against him. |
told him that federation was all that we re
quired; he could maintain himself in
changing his course, but /. single indi-
yidual, could not. I wanted &c be pernit.
ted To differ on this. sustaining every 9th
er part Of the policy Of his Adminisira
tion. to which he responded. No; that he
intended TO make his policy a test in the
Democratic party. | said: Mr.. Buchan-
an. IL that is the case, We shall have To de
fend ourselves in the best ~ay we can. -
Subsequent to that we had what | con
as no civilized country has ever seen cxer
cirsed upon Independent men: and took
up arms IN my State against those pro
scriptions. That is about all that thiuk
pertinent TO my relations with Mr.. Buch
snsn The rest il public ANY other
questions which you have 10 ask am
ready 10 answer.
By Mr.. Robinson. viii state that there
Is discrepancy between the testimony OF
Jude Black aud Mr. Wooster MIR. Web
ster stating that he held a conversation
with Judge Black. who promised that If
you would take . certain course in your
paper you should have the priating of the
Post 0fice blanks Now. Judge Black
says be did not make q promise Of that
kind, but told Mr.. Webster that he and
you must rely upon your own influence to
obtain them. I wsnt you 10 state what
Mr.. Webster communicated "a you. as be
ing the language Of Judge Black. when be
returned 10 Philadelphis
A. Mr. Webster telegraphed 10 me 10
meet him q, the Broad and Prime street lie
pot. went up there and took my friend,
Mr.. MeGfaw. with me ia the carriage, and
when ne got out there aud Mr.. Webster
arrived, be said, II want you 10 listen TO
what have got 10 saw" | was extremely
SEQ sltive about my position: felt that
was right. aud did not want TO be put q
an attitude of abandoning that position -
Said he. "You can get ell that Post 0fHce
printing IL you viii write 50 editorial a.
long ss your hand expressing your deter
never 10 become q Republican. !"
said | to him. Instantly. "webs,er. for the
seas wcfth ] could make no such decisra-
tions have done nothing that 10 vrsng.
and II having spent nearly lifetime in
the Democratic party is not a sufficient as-
surance of ny integrity Gao give 90 pledg.
re-" heGrsv ssid 70 me. You are right:
you have answered Joe, as your friends sx-
pected yon to answer" And I undsr-
stood Nr, Webster 10 say that he VI. 40.
,hersed By Judge Black 10 make ths,
add always regarded jadg~
Black - bavipg exclusive eonucl Of that
Post Ofsee printing. That q ~as dous
9Th she kaovledge of Mr.. Bsehsnsc ali
through. I have 40 mAnnsr Of Joaht.
" % Thursday Last. ve heard . sen'b.