The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1860-03-12

material of wW, and went ON 70 sAy that thd>s arcls
misn, % carried Q "a county, even one with wa We
places that ware blocksded or bssiged Well thsrs w.
power clearly affecting this country and IL operation,
OF this treaty. By means. do moi bsiievc that he
ever mentioned 10 the House Yet thatas an srt;ols
~ %uSa Affecting the power Of the House any that
could 90 thovght or The House has heard the eminent
authority Of the Attorney General on this subject Ihold
IN my hand the opinion Of the Lord Chan oelor who aid
sessr. we Sr a., purpose. 70 place the manu-
hear), and war should break out with France the
power Of prohibition could DO stu Tho treaty
was not meant 70 Work politically. II could have Of
feet on neutral rights N spite Of is treaty As export Of
coal MIGHT b pohibsd in tie Of ar Tat ,oar sosrs
ING coal bs carried 10 Froac me honorable cenensn
opposite said that have ssgacy conceive thst
deep political purpose 10 concealed therein. Well. Aid
can say this do not know that tho honorable gentle
sar as oe;, sras ou Sss Fases V a"a 1ass n
some sz months beove-I knew amongss ssany otAer,-
the honorable geenaN ~ko oas then a! tie Foreign Office
ss.sa mcs % eessss Mas ers Das any rosseay q sar
gentleman opposite, and those who sit the benches
near him. aomewhattwo ACUTE for they never hear or
b Intended as means OF carrying out war against
England Ny belief u that the Emperor Of the FSen;h
nas seen ne great sdvaneases we have derive EOgand
under thu system and aak icttA his knowiaOs Of ne
French aatsc, he nsu know az enormous profits made Dy
and 0as Ae ,cishss Franco % b strong cCans an enc
my xsu In times Of peace, and th1s taese nea
,icA and prosperous with these views think he desires
the commercial treaty with England and not with any
sinister design OF war Well that ID very difficult be-
could we not have all these changes ma ie bore and in
France without commercial treaty. The protectonst
party In France would neue1be induced to this
system IN their country they not assured OF receiy
ngsreat advantages by these remissons Eagland IT'S
therefore, the interest OF the people in France well as
10 ths country 10 zee this treaty carried into effect
agree with the honorable member for Brmn ham that
the great propositions involved In the Commercial treaty
aud the budget ought have been met in some s III way
10 the resolution proposed by the honorable
ssx Let there be fair combat Of the opposite princi
pies set forth in the respective propositions and let Par
hear Ausicns have been made to the proceedings OF
Mr.. Fox. On two occasions Mr.. Fox endsavored to
proved successful. In the first .i.,.ssSuce he
began with resolution sayioe 'HX whatever
might , % the , opinion , q respect TO
spect the faith Of the Crown the engagements viii III
had been entered into by the Crown should be nvioaby
honorable and constitutional In the other in
stance when treaty Of commerce with France was CON
sdered the House went into committee Al the
OF the first resolution proposed Mr. Fog moved ths.
the chairman should leave the chair thereby putting
negative 70 the whole Of the propositions which had been
manly course. His opponents otherwise would have de-
ieated the treaty they had been successful Such is the
Ray an nTnes. , would proceed ronc.l chess
nlar form Of proceedngto propose that we should de.
part from all precedent and that Should question the
right OF making treaty with France. and should iscuss
article BY arce-that Ia, think mode unkno wn to the
constitution unworthy OF great party and which
Lord PAIxxRs1os assured The House that he would de-
tane them but very few minutes from the division at
which be was sure they were anxious 10 arrive Indeed
he should hardly have thought II necessary to utter
word the subject had not been for the speech OF the
right honorable gentleman who had just at down Tho
petely and riumphanty answered BY ms right honorable
irend-("0n, Oh" followed by "Hear, hesr'1-and by
9 n as for s Ct lon
torn the speeches the other side rags daughter
and Hear he.r.' The right honorable gentleman had
posed what was perfectly uncons.i,usonN or he bro
posed what the government had announced their
meDt ought Co. article BY 1 scs through the
treaty, and give the House parliamentary explana-
dcn Of EACH the execution Of which on the Crown
euch proceeding would be fundamentally
Treaties formed by the Crown containing stipulaons
which the Crown was compeent 10 ful treaties which
farament IN the aggregate were no: treaties which
additionally this House could deal with article by article
10 maintain such proposition ,o,d BE- his friend had
stated 10 place tbs House IN the condition Of the Senate OF
the United States, which had the poer Of rat sing he po,ocr
q altering, ,uach Of the executive poers in the
fundamentally at variance with the prin ;pcs
OF the constitution and would form dangerous pre-
Sedent = sne House was 70 take upon itself 70 CO. article
Legislative enactment but which simply bound the Crown
in the exercise OF ita acknowledged prerogstvs Tho
treaty could not be executed there were an act OF
Parliament passed 70 sanction IT, the approval Of the COM
mtee rot being sufficient.
Mr. Mains animated dissent.
Lord PALNEssroN proceeded-Thoee who followed him
spenSS Oh sns s otDer sao asna supported shs very
House 70 60 into committee This was indeed the fair and
constitutional drift Of The proposal Of the right honorable
wondered that he should ever contemplate division on
the subject Qaushter) 1t was said that the House
or md tbo uo1uo woo.tA
have an opportunity or doing The government were, In
fact following exactly the pSeedsat By Mr. Fox 1857
daughter and oheers) HIS right honorable friend near
him (Mr Horsman) had evidently prepared mos. elo-
quen speech which he intended 70 deliver on the budget
BE bethougt himself there could not be better oppor
tunity than to night, fuller house better audience,
on which TO dispose OF his eloquent and srguentatve
oradon which circumstances had prevented him from
veriDg on the former OCCASION and he thought would
scarcely saying word the motion before the House
his right honorable friend dashed into the logic Of his
tariff most remarkable words because hh srsu.
ment possessed any vaue he ought al oce die0andng ne
budget and the present question a. the proper mode pro.
cecdin0, to propose intosysc resolution for England
and Nance (Hear, hear, and oh, OH He said, ~ OBJ
ect to your treaty because II tends Increase the wealth
deny aat 4 sased DC sosa and prosperity Of Tnaan%
tta anyling Mat had tendency % make France more
; :. G 2, 01cT ;s. wo ors 1d 70 ass, s
intercourse resolution between England and France
to be consistent. (Cries Of "No" and "Yes:"
QcQloO
had said an thing OF the kind
Lord PAIMxRsoS reatarmed what he had stated he
did not pretend better memory than other people, but
he could recall what had passed only few minutes ago,
and he again asserted that the right honorable gentle
consistent in hi opinion that the conclusion
70 which he ought logically TO Doubtless great at
tude allowed TO members OF that House, especially
questions which directly indirectly referred TO finance
and axee but nasmuch the question before the House
simply as TO the mote of proceeding, the whole
Of the right honorable gentemans observations
Of order He had stated that Sir r. Peel never made
deficit but in 1912 Sir Peel increased the taxes and Ia
1916 he created debt (Cries Of "Dvte") The ques-
simply the mode OF proceeding aud really
II matered very little which was adopted More cries
"Dividc, dvide.')
The H0ufe then divided
For Mr.. Bisraeli's amendment ................ go
Against go
Majority for government. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS. SO
The announce ment received with loud cheers from
the Ministerial benches.
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