New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1860-06-19

nofyan, Iab;t - s'n ".s - ON members OF Congre
thrugh third psr,itsY a. have done 20, or trie
10 do so7
g; DidyOu lot try to do 80 on that occasion :
4 @. Can yon state TO what amou 1t, or VII u :
Necessary ~ bs, the looks from the .hs 10 Ieiies
! your memory I could lot state IN 'at auioe.
inoL,y eXI ended in aud about the Leca " W" que'
/ han without making some rfersnees. -,
| O. DO you mean references TO the bank VVne'
| references 10 your own a. connt books7 Il. ~ W
btnk books; do hot thuk ny own books would
iii WIS r. Tier careless about my ey matt rs Ia on
q. Would yen know, when you saw the bank booAO
ard lie q ecka which checks were for business pur-
Iose, uId which for political purposes A. Yes Sir;
thiak could distinguish between the business aud
The Foliicll-I think could.
q. Die you not, in psyirg money to onisidefs, ray
particular pesohs? A. may have paid outsiders to
and Iii procuring votes for particular measures.
q. For that particular nea.ure-.be Lecomptcn bill
am speaking Off a. Yes, sir paid some money
TO our side IL 10 aid in carrying the Lfcomptou bill.
q. -. ytu rCoilect whether, ia drawing checks FOR
thai purpose, you put in the of the parties them
selv't, or did you put in fictitious naies1 A. have
probably Cone il both ways d avn them di;
rec ~ 10 the parties sometimes soenes for political
pu,poses;' "ray 10 politics 81 ,000' "psy ia Kan
fslsi'' "Iuy to bearer have done it in diteren
ways; sometimes would want check drawn
ole Way, and sometimes another. r ,
BY Mr.. Kobiusor-Q. Where did this money come
from; ]; your own money, It furnished by
soinetody else A. II could lie considered my own
moLey sometimes had money lying in bank TO my
own credit sometimes l borrowed the money vi a
friend.
Q. Was all the money you spent in procuring the
passage Of this Leconipon bill your money, or
Of furnished you by others to be spent in
this way? a. There never was dollar furnished by
any living man.
q. II WAS all your own money? A. IL all my
owDi would give my notes aud obtain the money on
them.
n n e.. - Ior-o voI A
Well, from any rnsn VINO wonld lend me; was al
ways willing 10 borrow; from particular party;
ffom Riggs q Co.. from the different banks, aud from
ndiy idusis i'll town here Until the town dry and
then ] would go North and borrow; borrowed large
~ in PHILADELPHIA aud New-fork; | borrowed from
members of Congress from the officers of the House
ANY friend who Was moueyed man, and had money
to lend / would borrow from, II | could.
@. Has any pc. son ever helped you 70 pay any Of
there borrowed moneySl A. No. Sir wish they
would
BY Mir. Winslow-Q. What Mr.. Robinson wants to
know is, whether il wss Government money furnished
you by Government officers to corruptly carry that
bill or was il your own funds A. There never
liar furnished ne by any Government officer for
that or any other purpose.
q. Neither directly nor indirectly? a. No, Sir.
by the CiaiTuan-Q. Die not considerable por-
ton VI that money out OF the patronage that you
weIe receiving from the Government A. Well, l
had been receiving large amount OF money from the
Government for work.
Q. Did it not come ont o. patronage received from
the Government A. made my money in that way
from public work.
Q. Were you not induced to believe that, by using
money freely in that way you would have patronage
10 relD buIse you
SIR. Wirslow 10 the Chairman Induced by whom?
The CLairmap-By officers of the Government.
The Wituess-NO, Sir; | never was; WAS enjoy
ing at The lime I'LL he patronage of the Government IN
my business | think, nearly all there was no
pledge or promise that there should be- any given
to nc, for bad it all then.
Rs Mr. RObipson-Q. Was there any promise that it
should be continued to youl A. No, Sir l cannot
say that there was.
By the Chaninan--Q. Was not that your expectation
in paving these large amounts I
Mr.. Winslow-i do not think that IS proper ques-
ton.
Mr. Robnson--I 60 not think we lave anything to
do with Mr.. WeLdelPs expectations.
BY the Chairman-Q. Can you, by looking at the
bank books, ascertain how much money you spent IN
the massage OF that bill and to whom you paid itl A.
probably could; might not give every particular
item.
Mr. Robinson-We better let Mr.. Wendell 60 to the
bank and examine the books
The Chairman-We can have the bank books
brought here. ,
O. TO wilpess.) Did You not on the 9Th Of April,
1858, give Mr. Bean check for s., Wo A. reinem'
Der giving bin check for 50 0o or 50 O0O IN money,
but the date have forgotten.
O. Was that money for himself for another?
What purpose had you in view IN giving hun that
S5OOOi a. was informed that by enlisting Bean he
could he Of great service 10 the passage of the BILL Who
informed me have forgotten; but II must have been
sme one in whose opinion had entire confidence or
sboJln not have broached the sulgeet to him; dld
breach it. and If my memory serves me, he did agree
10 use all his influence for consideration, which con-
sdeIation paid him.
@. Did you not propose to give him $4,000 to ac-
complsn certain objects A. do not think | did, i
do not remember Of doing 50; remember giving him
5000 but the conversation held with him | cannot
call TO mind was engaged day aud night III that busi-
ness at that tme and took very active part IN 1t.
@. Was moi the money that You gave Mr.. Bean, Or
proposed 10 give him. for specific purpose-hat ls 70
let lie votes OF certain individuals for Lecomptonl A.
l think ] understood that Bean had come influence
with lbe Ohio members, some OF whom were supposed
10 be little doubtful on the sue]edi II recolect
arph he was the owner of paper, or had control OF
sore Iaprs in Ohio III DISTRICTS of which the repre-
sutayes were considered doubtful and II was lhougii
that he might influence them from his position 4. CO.
ilor OF paper and therefore was deemed essential 10
his services bnt who gave me ,rat ln' 10
lot remember; may have talked largely about money
v ilh nm; NY acquaintance with him was very slight,
BY Mr. Rotipson-Q. Did he represent to you that
he lad ipflnence with any member A. | cannot re-
rneuir hnt he did, the d-tsils Of the conversation
have ESCAPED my memory entirely; the main purpose
Was tat he .hould use all his Influence with the Ohio
nienbtrs, and that should pay BIN for hs services.
By the Ctarman-Q Did Mr. Bean net tell you
d.tinTly hat that money was To 60 10 certain meui-
b,rs a. do not remember that he did.
O. IL giving him tia; 5000 did you expect that he
wac to keep il, TO pay IT, or portion OF 1t, over 10
other parties a. u ell l might have had III idea
that he was to DIVIDE it sronndi but would simply
sggest Sith all difference tlat my thoughts ana ideas
wGuIc not be evidence.
O. Did You ROT on hat occasion specify certain IN
di,idua whose vote was to be had for that So,0VV
A. light have done 20, out il dces not occur TO my
mind now.
q Did you not specify certain votes that were TO be
paid for BY th. 0O00 A. L cannot remember thst
did. o.,
O. Were there any ether parties from Ohio beside
Mr. Bea-go-,e eeDsto secure the votes OF certain