The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-07-22
NEW YORK HERALD FRIDAY, JULY g. 1s5e-rRPLE SHEET.

States with which neither France nor Sardinia
had any cause of quarrel to revolt against their
vercigns He was favorable to the principle Of TIA
Ian nationality, having always felt that the pre-
sence of Austria in Italy was great dificulty but
when he saw that the war was one of avowed aud
open conquest and that it was carried on in man.
nef quite new in the modern history Of Europe, he
did not wonder at the anxiety and alarm felt by
| Germany at the progress of the enormous and APP
| ing "Wait little, gentlemen; your turn to be de-
voured by France will come in due time he thought
the government would act wisely in leaving the Ger
| mans to mind their own business. They understood
very well what their own interests required OF
! them and we. who occupied geographically an iso.
| lated and therefore comparatively safe position
| ought not to use our influence in preventing
the German Powers from taking that course
which might appear to them eXpedient tor
| the purpose of putting some check upon
| the aggressive and conquering policy OF
| France. He believed that any attempt to inuade
| England rould be defeated IN The most efectual
! nsnner, but he did not feel as confident as many
persons that our turn might not come; on The con.
irary, he eoas persuaded hat Austria had been 10
great eate,i fighting the battle Of England as
well as her own. (Cries OF "Oh," aud Zones.
| tion') He looked with hope at the new state of
| things which had been brought about in Italy by
the success of France e. Hear, hear" and laugh);
but he EARNED The government; a0Aen they talked about
spotby acith France, TO remember that achen France
had orercomc Austria and acoged successful acar-
pro6obiy neaf year-againa Germany, the time might
come ,cen are should hare to stand upon our Defence
because France had to CRAFTY her spirit Of hostility to-
@asds England, and ADORE all, 10 sSipe ont the rec09ec
ton of Waterloo (Cries of "Oh!)
Mr.. LYALL asked the Secretary of State for War
whether the government had had under their con-
sideration Bessemer's economical process of manu-
featuring steel and whether there was the intention
of substituting that metal for iron to any extent in
the manufacture Of guns for the artillery and ord
nance.
Mr.. S. HERBERT replied that proposal had been
made to Mr. Bessemer to the effect that if he would
send In a block of iron from which gun could be
constructed, the experiment should be made but
the government had declined to become ironmas-
tiers, or to adopt process which had not been tho
roughly tested, If the invention combined econo-
my with efficiency, there were, no donbt plenty Of
capitalists who would take it up: but the govern
ment were unwilling to incur the expense Of eXpe-
rments of which, if they failed, the whole loss
would fall upon the country, while, II they sue
ceeded, the gain would be reaped by Mr.. Bessemer
alone.
Mr. DIsRAELI-I do not wish to revive the discus
sion which seemed to be terminated by the obser-
vatons of the noble lord the Foreign Secretary for
am sure that the noble lord having stated that the
correspondence with Prussia is stl going on
the House will not press for its production; but at
the same time am bound to state that the descrp-
ton which the noble lord has given US of his own
despatch is one Of somewhat alarming character
(Hear, hear) Giving advice is interference, and if
you profess policy of nonintervention and at the
same time indulge in giving advice to foreign Pow
ers, you will eventually find yourselves involved in
engagemhens Which you mt never rel. contemplated.
patch of Lord Malmesbury, which fairly described
the general policy of the late government, show
ing that they were in favor of strict and impartial
neutrality, but at the same time that they felt they
were free to avail themselves of any favorable OPP.
portunty to mediate in the interests of peace. The
noble lord gives his adhesion to principle which
believe no gentleman will be inclined to impugn.
But there is in the dispatches of Lord Malmesbury
another paragraph much more germane to the
matter which has been brought under our notice this
evening than the very general passage to which the
noble lord has referred in vindicaton of the course
pursued by the present government. In despatch
of Lord Malmesbury to Sir James Hudson, dated
the goth of May, find the following sentence:-
Der Msjessy's government have done tbeir utmost,
Within the bounds Of friendly representation. TO calm the
excitement prevailing Ia Germany; but they have not felt
States from taking such measures as those States
considered to be necessary for the maintenance OF their
several nteress for they could not the responst
bllity Of even morally guaranteeing them against the
egentuslnis OF the italian
Now, If you sanction a policy which gives
advice TO neutral Powers aud in consequence of
that advice those Powers take particular course
which may prove to them disastrous one, you will
find that you are involved in what is very hap
PLY and accurately called at least moral guar
antee as the consequence of your advice. (Hear,
near. L tniDk, therefore, the House OF commons
will do well not to favor the advice which the noble
lord seems anxious to give to those Powers at
present occupying. like ourselves, the position Of
neutral States. (liear) l felt it my duty to call
attention to the difference between the quotation
made by the noble lord and the principle laid down
in the quotation which have read. and which APP
pears to me of such Importance that the House
ought jealousy to watch over its observance.
Near)
Lord J. RrssyLL-I do not wish to enter again
into this discussion but think it right to say that
the right honorable gentleman has taken far from
correct view of the course which her Majestys gov
eminent have pursued.
Tie motion for adjournment was then agreed to.
THE ALLEGED MASSACRE AT PERUGIA.
Mr.. Rich asked the Secretary Of State for For
eign Affairs, in the House of Commons, July Z, if
he had received any despatch relating to recent
events at Peruga; and, if so, whether he would
lay the the table, or state the substance of
them to the House.
Lord J. RussBLL-We have received more than
one despatch respecting the late events ut Peru
gia-one from Rome and another from Turin, but
the facts therein stated disputed 1t is said by
the Foreign Minister in Paris that the events at Pc
rugia have been very much exaggerated, and /
have directed further inquiries to be made.
would rather not produce the dispatches until the
real facts have been ascertained (Hear)
ALLEGED TREATY BETWEEN FRANCE AND
RUSSIA.
IN the House of Commons, on the eth of July,
Mr.. KrNGLAKE asked the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs whether regard for the public SER
vice made it expedient to withhold the answers of
Sir j. Champion to the dispatches, dated respec-
lively the 25th and the 10Th of April last in which
Lord Malmesbury directed inquiries to be made
concerning the alleged engagements between Rus
STA and France.
Lord J. RUssyLL-The only despatch which
have found in the Foreign Office is one of the 8th
of May from Sir J. Champion, which consists of
telegraphiC despatch that has already be- en- made
public by the late Under Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs. There will be no objection TO pro-
duce it If it is required but it contains nothing more
than what have mentioned.
OUTRACES ON BRITISH SUBJECTS IN MEXI
co.
In the House Of Commons, on the 8th instant
Mr.. SCHNEIDER wished, before the noble lord the
Foreign Secretary rose, to call attention to the
present state of Mexico, especially with reference
TO the outrages which have been committed upon
British subjects. The honorable member mentioned
several cases Of gross outrage upon the lives and
property of British residents in Mey;co and atatad