New-York daily tribune., 1859-02-10
WHO WE'RE THR GOVERNORS
WITNESSES


Aims House children, we End the first affidavit
inside by DIR. Wm. b. Bibbins. He is the regular
medical tisitor in the employ OF the Governors,
and the utmost of his testimony is that Mrs. Car
lock bad the worst description of children to take
care Of He did not seem to know about the
woman at all; only knew that the children were
debihta,ed. The next three witnesses on b01n6
of the Governors are Mary Hyde, her dsustssr
Caroline l.. Hyde, and another daughter Of hers
BY the name Of Emily Mott. The intimacy exist
ipe between the Hyde family and Mrs. Cariock
will be better urderstood when We state,
what the Governors forgot to cay, that ono oil
Mrs. Hyde's sons was the young man whom Macy
Fitch had engaged to ssss! in the burglary upca
Mr. Bakers residence. and be- is now locked up
in the White Street Prison, as a witaess against
the servant girl. That the evidence Of the Hyde
family would naturally be as strong as possible IN
favor of Mrs Carlock, is a matter OF course, Is
Mrs. C. was coenizant of, and consenting to, tho
proposed robbery, beside being receiver OF stolen
Roods. The next witness called by the Governors
was Mrs. Frost, the regular visiting nurse oil tns
Aims House DeE artment 1t is her business 70
visit the children out at nurse at certain speclhed
times. and report their condition to taS
Comm ttee ON Out. Door Poor How che performed
this duty is best seen BY her own testimony,
that she had visited these children in May last anu
then not again, officially, until October but tho
children in charge of Mrs Carlock she did not
whit in October, as the Secretary OF the Ten Gov
e,nors cop,dered Mrs Carlock so good nurse
that she did not need visiting. SO Mrs. Frost, by
her own testimony, shows that sho knew nothing
whatever of the matter which she was expe'ted
officially TO inquire into. She did not even know
that Mrs Csrlcck was getting pay fora child that
died in June, ard that when visit was expected
she borrowed baby to represent the dead ooe.
Their last wtness is Catherine Mcmahon, who
mskes her marx to the effect that she keeps COWS
ard sells milk; but this is entirely irrelevant and
has uothug to do with the condition of tho
children Upon such testimony tie Board
Of Governors unhesitatingly pronounce as false
and cslumnous the statements made by
credible witnesses gentlemen Of the highest Ca
pacity aud truthfuness men who have no Interior
objects TO attain or favors to ask who are neither
Governors of the Aims House, nor employees in
the Departments who have no faiends living on tho
patronage of the Governors, aud who in their own
per.ons are above suspicion Of any improper mo-
tive whatever. If the Governors wish that these
men and women shall come forward aud put their
testimony in the form of sworn affiavits, they csn
be accommodated; but we presu ne they do not
desire it.
The chief speaker at the meeting on Tuesday in
regard to these matters, WAS Governor Smith. who
boasted very long and very loudly of bis own per-
sousl humanity, of the extremely sensitive human
ity of the Board in general, and said that If he
could know that such things were really traospirsg
IN this city, be should feel himself unfit TO be
member of society, much less q guardian OF
these children. Now, Mr. Washington Smith
did know the very things which he says he
did not. Not more than three weeks ago.
parties whom he knows were truthful and
respOn sible came to him aud detailed cases
of the most hsgrant and shameful negec. and suf-
fering among those children. At that time he was
importuned to have something done for their relief,
but instead of this We find him now, after the OK
posurs has been made pleading ignorance, and hold
ing up bis hands in pous horror at the idea of any
neglect or ill-trea.ment of these unfortunstes.
Mr.. Smith aud Mr.. Townsend are on tho
Committee on Out Door Poor, aud both Of them
know very we'll that the plea of ignorance in this
matter cannot be admitted. They know that their
own attention has been time AMI again
called to the matter; that they have bsen
urged, over and over again, to take some measures
for radical remedy and that tho condition Of the
children at nurse was made one Of the strongest
arguments in favor of establishing Founding Hos-
pital, upon which question the Governors, aftsra
long delay, and searching all over the world, got Up
very interesting report in regard to the condition.
Of children in Europe, but said nothing concerning
those in their own care. In fact, we are CONVINCED
that the Governors however well informed Of tho
fact that the foundlugs in their charge are IN many
instances subjected to starvation amid Disgusting
filth, would never have done anything to remedy
the evil had not the Pfess forced them to tho per-
formance Of their duty.