The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-12-11


bodies democratic sentiment whether James Buchanan
or those who hold to the sentiments OF the Cincinnati
platform in its integrity and entirety ,
know thyeef" was one OF the most ditncult 70 learn
The gentleman not the man 70 Judge himself, but he
(smth) and others to classify him. He, therefore,
cassed gentle with the blaokest Of the black re-
publicans Not only on this, but on past occasions,
there are gentlemen honestly opposed 70 tae
Kansas policy who arc acting with dem0crats
and atng with the republicans Since that ques
tisn has passed To tho future and s longer living
issae why should democrats differ great pFlncpesY
Mr. CLARK "a. L. dem.) Of N. Y. inquired whether the
support Of the democratic organization was test OF de-
mocracy2
Mr. SMITH replied it was general rule. An organi-
zaton is to carry out the principles Of the party.
Mr.. CLARK asked what excuse . man could have who
elected against organization, without sympathy
with any, where no principle was involvedS
Mr. SMITH explained that might be elected against
the organization and yet be good democrat
Mr CLARK said he represented his constituents, who
opposed 70 the poncal organizations through0ut the
Union.
Mr. sArT-Are you a republican or democrat9
Mr.. CIARK-I am opposed TO all organizations.
Mr. SnIH-Then the gentleman Is an lshmaelite; his
hand against all parties He was not here against the
Mr. CLARx--E0, sir.
Mr. SMITH inquired which party maintains the princi
pies Of the copstuton-the republican democratic?
Mr. CLARK said be came into tho last Congress demo-
cr&. He was democrat now, but not attached to the
democratic party Of this House or his district He took
his seat in the last Congress with those whom he
supposed pledged To the democratic patform-he
meant the Northern exposition Of it. He had not
than sectional party. He heard the distinguished
gentleman from South Carolina (Mr Mes) say the South
was extremely sectional, and then he began to doubt
whether he belonged anywhere, and the doubt
yet removed. He was national man with Northern
sentiments looking to the Of the Union and
looking for national men to co operate with him He
cared less about party than for his country Applausc
Mr. MILES, (dem) Of S. c. in response, remarked that
the occasion Mr. Clark alluded TO- he did not say the
South sectional in all ts aims and purposes, but did
say, and repeated it, that hc was q sectional
man that he was first devoted heart and soul, to the
interests Of his immediate constituents He owed his
chief and primary allegiance TO South Carolina,
which had prominent claim his love- affection and
devotion as She had every Of her Even If
it were true that the South was now sectional
were true that there sectional spirit there, would
she rot be ustaeds The gentleman from New York said
he FIRST came into the House expecting md but one
sectional party but that be very discovered another
sectional party Was that stranger Did not like beget
likef Could you have u sectional party at the North
without expecting " have arrayed against 1t at the
South We're they of the South be repsosched for
iioDasm thrust upon ihemY They would fight fire with
fire. and meet force with force necessary. by doing
they would not surrender any patriotic motive or the
love OF country which should ano,aa every citizen.
MR. CLARK said Mr. Miles was the gentleman to whom
he had referred. He (Cark) and never would
he sectional He was the representative OF the
great city OF NewYork, city which could not afford to
a sectional Congress She could not consent
that the chain Of wealth which connects her with the
other States shall be broken He had been called an
abolofs His attention had been called to the Cansu-
tion newspaper of the Ith instant which contains
port OF the proceedings here and which the following
language He Ozark had not been aboutonst un-
\ !.
vas either an error Of the reporter or msprint He had
SAID he lad abolitonst till he here.
In saying This he did not refer to members of the repub
hcan party they are not regarded as abetionists in
that city. he did not regard the republican
party as an abolition party. There may
be- for aught be knew otionists who entertain the
political opinions and vote with that organization,
but il so happened he had personal acquaintance with
any such who resiie In bis district He then defined
what he meant by cboito They those who
would interfere by violence with the relation OF master
and slave The recent affair at Harpers Ferry furnished
strong Illustration Of practical abotiopism in the
bdeous FORM Ii there be in the Northern States men
who advise and counsel and incite such proceedings
horrible recessness which characterized their leader
Those not aboiopsg who would contribute money
otherwise make compensation to the master for the
service o his slave and In consideration OF the surrender
OF his title. He knew there thousands of them
at The North. If to differ from the administration
us whole Territorial policy il 10 dissent the
majority the democratic organization in Congress as
to the admission of Kabsas into the Union, those
be claimed the right bear the name and claim the
honor. II he aboonist for these reasons there
millions of them at the North
Mr. SMITH lresumpg) said he was well acquainted with
Dir. Clark, and did not believe there any abohhOn
feeling in his heart or drop Of abolition blood in his
vens. The principles OF party are those acted by
party and IT'S organizations are the means to perpetuate
them differences exist in every party They exist in the
oenocrauc party Mr. Bocock not put up because he
administration bat because he had been long
an hoDored democrat He (Smh) denounced the incon
ssency OF his (Clarks) conduc in being elected de-
mocrat aud refusing 10 act with the party.
Mr.. CLARK inquired whether Mr. Smith would dcem it
good ground for dissolution Of the Union il he should
ind the people OF the North combined sectional party
at the South
Ar. sMIrH--Wbenever combination of the majority is
formed for the purpose of warning on the constitutional
rights o. any s.chon O. the Union, am out OF it. Gap
piause)
Nr. cJEK-so am ], sir; but that is not my question
II President Of the United States should be elected by
section, either North South who unsatsfacto
ry to the other portion would you regard that just
Tor aissoving the Union in advance Of any tramp
hDg on the rights OF the South?
MIR. SMITIi--NO tell what day bring
forh. 1t unnecessary to declare what will do in
contingency which may never arise. Having been elect
ed democrat and the issues which you differ with
the party having passed away, Will you redeem your
agreement by declaring yourself democrat and acting
Mr.. C1ARK-My constituents would never sustain me il
should have political consort with those who, in the
event Of certain men being elected President however OBJ
noxous they might be- without waiting for some overt act
or violation OF constitutional right would deem suii-
cient ground for dissolution OF the Union. applause
now beg my friend 70 ans 1er my question.
Mr. sMlni-The gentleman really tries very earnestly
to get rid OF the necessity Of dealing with his present posi-
ton ask the gentleman whether he means to oct with
! the democratic party black republican partyp
Mr.. CLARK-I will answer that question.
Mr.. sATH-say yes or no. Don't make speech
| about it,
Mr.. CIARK-I cannot exactly find out where the demo-
cratic party is. have looked for ii in the Cincinnati
act with any party in this House which determined
to uphold the constitution and its gnaranees-o rampe
on no right North or South. intend to what.
ever Of discretion, intellect conscience. may have
upon any measure which may come before the House.
care nothing about party, but intend give my votes
for that which think is right Party organizations
care nothing about. ] found myself compelled during
much Of the last Congress to act with the re-
publican party, because upon the question Of Kansas
and the question Of the admission Of new States,
which is after all the most important political question
fore the people, found they voted right whether they
talked right or not. Whenever question where
my honorable friend and myself together de-
fence Of every Of the constitutional rights Of South
| assure him he viii find me at his side.
| Mr.. SMuI-Then understand the gentleman from Net
York to say he has found the constitutional party the
black republican party for he has got find either
that party the democratic party He tells he acted
with them during the last session upon certain leading
issues, anu from the character Of his remarks now
clearly see he conceves he has found them be the
national, Union loving party in this country.
Mr CLARK (interrupting)-I did not say So
Mr. sMrn-I you did not say So do you to act so9
Mr.. Clark made no reply
Nr. SMITH went op Ia say he had taken his present
ground ever since 1854, when he saw from the de-
veoremens IN this hall there an absolute ne
ccssy that the South should present Itself unit,
not as means Of preserving the Unob but as a means
OF preserving itself He would undertake say .ny
particular should be elected President he would I'M
meaia,eiy favor dissolution Of the Union ,Su0icent
Tor the day is the evil thereof" He maintained that the