The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-10-21


Mr., BRowy-I think, my friend, you guilty Of .
great wrong against God and hurAanty-Issy without
wishing to be oensive-and it would be perfectly right
for any one to interfere with you far az to free those
you wilfuy aud wickedly hold in bondage do not say
this insultngly
Mr.. MAsoN-I understand that
Mr. BRowN-I think did right and that others win do
right who interfere with you at any time and all times
hold that the golden rule Do unto others you would
that others should do unto you applies 10 all who would
help others TO gain their liberty.
Lieut.. s1EwARr-But you don't believe in the Bible.
Mr. BRowN-Certanly do.
Mr.. vAnAMseHAx-where did your men come fromY
Did some Of them come from Ohioa
Mr.. BRowN-Some Of them.
Mr.. vAuASpscHAx--From the Western Reserve9 None
came from Southern Ohio.
Mr.. BRowx-Yes, believe one came from below steu
benvile, down net far from Wheeling
Mr.. vAIAyplGuAx-Have you been in Ohio this sum-
mer? nfW
Mr.. BRowS-yes, sir
Mr.. vAILAsploHAN-How lately?
Mr.. BRows-I passed through to Pittsburg on my way
In June.
Mr.. vAIAsDIGHAA-were you at any county or State
fair theres
Mr.. BRowN-I was not--not since June.
Mr.. MAsoS-Did you consider this military organiEa-
ton, in this paper (the Constituton)s have not yet
read IT,
Mr.. BRows-I did In some sense. wish you would
give that paper close attention.
Mr.. MAsos--You considered yourself the Commander
in-Chief Of these PROVISIONAL military forces.
Mr.. BRowx-I was chosen agrecably to the ordinance
Of certain document, commander chief Of that force
Mr. MAsos-what wages did you oisrf
Mr.. BRowS-None.
Lieut. SruAxr-"The wages OF sin is death.n
Mr.. BRowS--I would not have made such remark to
you II you had been prisoner and wounded N my
a BrsrAwzs- Did yoa not promise q negro in Getys
burg, twenty dollars month";
Mr.. BRuwx-I did not.
BfMAxDR-He says you did.
Mr. yAILANDIcaAx-were you ever in Dayton, Ohoa
Mr.. BRowN--Yes, must have BEEN
Mr.. vAILANDIGHAM-1hs summer
Mr.. BRowS-No; year or two since.
Mr.. MAsox--Does This talking annoy your
Mr.. BRowN-Not the least.
Mr.. vAIIANpIGHAN-Have you lived long in Ohiof
Mr.. BRowx-I went there In 1850; lived in Summit
county which was then Trumbull county my native place
Il iscs. q '0'A e NY 'A''s' A'ea ''''' ~ n' ''A'' -
Mr.. vAIIASDloHAn-Do you reoollect . man in Ohio
named Brown, a noted counterfeiterf
Mr.. BRowN-I do; knew him from boy; his father
Henry Brown; they Of Irish Scotch descent,
and he had brother also engaged in that business when
boys they could not read or write; they were Of very
low family.
Mr.. vAiIArplcnAx-Have you been in Portage county
lateyp
Mr. BRowH-I was there in June last
Mr. vALIANDIGHAH-When in Cleveland did you attend
the Fugitive Slave Law Convention theref
Mr. BROwN-No. was there about the time of the Sit
ting of the court TO try the Obern rescuers Ispoke there
publicly on that subecI spoke on the Fugitive Slave law
enc my Twn ~ ~ 80 T t Is nsa
for rescung the slave because have myself forcioly
sse Saves from Missouri to Canada last winter
think spoke in Cleveland before the Convention do
not know that had any conversation with any of the
Oberlin rescuers was sick part q the time was in
Ohio with the ague. was part of the time in Ashabula
county.
Mr. vArIAspucuAx-Did you see anything Of Joshau R.
Giddipge therep
Mr. BRowv--I did meet him.
Mr.. vAIIAxDIcHAH-Did you converse with hirn2
Mr.. BRowN--I did / would not tell you, Of course,
anything that would impicate Mr.. Giddings: but
tanIy met with him and had conversations with him.
Mr.. VALIANDIGHAM-About that rescue casef
Mr.. BRowN-Yes, did; ! heard him express his opn-
ions upon II very freely and frankly. e
Mr.. .VALrAxDIGHAN-Justifyng U sf3
~ in saying that. e0M
BYsrAsDxR-Did you 60 out 70 Kansas under the aus
pices of the Emgrant Aid Society
Mr. RRowN-No, sir; went out under the auspices Of
John Brown and nobody else
Mr. vAIIANmeHAM-win you answer this: Did you
talk with Giddings about your expedition hereY ~
Mr.. BRowN-No, won't answer that, because denial
Of it would otmake and TO make any affirmation Of il
MIR. vAI1ANDIeHAM-Have you had any correspondent
with parties at the North on the subject Of this move
mentP
Mr. BRowN-I have had correspondence.
A BYsrAsOER-Do you consider this religions move
Mr. BRowS-I is, in my opinion, the greatest service
man can render TO God.
ByprAspEK-D you consider yourself instrument in
the hands Of ProvidenceS
Mr.. BROWN do.
BYsrANpKa-Upon what principle do you justify your
actsY
Mr.. BRowy-Upon the golden rule. pity the poor in
bondage that have to help them; that why am
here; not to crafty any personal amnesty revenge or
and the are as good as you and as
in the sight Of God.
their wilp
Mr.. BROWN never did
BysTANDER-You did In one instance, ateast
Stephens, the other wounded prisoner here sad In
firm, clear vocc"You are right. In one case know
the negro wanted to 60 back.
A BYsTANpER-Where did you come fromf
Mr.. srKrBsNs-I lived in Ashtabula county, Ohio.
Mr.. vArIASDIGnAM-How recently did you leave Ashta-
bula county?
Mr. snrHxNs-some months ago. never resided
there any length Of time; have been through there
Mr.. vAIIASDIcHAx-How far did you live from Jener-
Mr. BRowx-Be cautious Stephens, about any answers
that would commit any friend. would not answer that
Stephens turned partially over with groan of pain,
Mr.. vAuAADlcHAm ITO Mr.. Brown)-who are your ad-
visers in this movementS
Mr.. BROwN-I cannot answer that. have numerous
sympathisers throughout the entire North.
Mr.. vArIJNDrGHAN--In northern Ohios
Mr.. BRowNNo more there than anywhere else; In all
the free States
Mr.. vA1IAsD,anAx-Rut you are not personally ac-
Quainted in southern Ohio?
Mr.. vAILANDrGnAM TO stephens you at the Con-
vention last JuneY
SrTHKSe-I
Mr.. vAIIAsDIGHAx ITO Brown)-You made speech
there?
Mr.. BRowN--I did, cir.
A BYsTANDER-Did you ever live In Washington city9
Mr. BEowr-I did not. want you to understand gen
tlemen-(and to the reporter Of the HERAID) you may
report haI want you to understand that respect the
rights Of the poorest and weakest of colored people,
pressed by the slave system just as much as do those
Of the most wealthy and powerful That tho idea that
has moved me, and that alone We expected no reward
except the satisfaction Of endeavoring TO do for
thoee in distress aud greatly oppressed would
be done by The cry Of distress Of the oppressed my
reason, and the only thing that prompted me 70 come
here.
A BysrASDER-r Why did you do il sccretlys
Mr.. BRowN-Becausc thought thht necessary 10
ess; other reason.
BysrASpER--And you think that honorable9 Have you
read Gerritt Smith 3 last letter.
Mr.. BRowN--What letter do you meanS
BYsTASDER-The New York HERALD OF Yesterday in
speaking of this affair mentions letter in this way:
Apropos Of this exciting news recoect very scnicant
Of Gerr Smiths letters month