The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-08-12

ne uoM honorable gentleman secHhs, no'oeu0 ~ rse ~.
suAat took place There period of the soar al Which Inc
French Anesssadsr At this cSu,s gave my noos J.ss
sousr"ssns Would raan them 3 dc 0oo'mne'. y Aus,.
ss,d vecomnsedsa0 the terms TIE basis upon och treaty
Tpsace might concluded Ny noble friend, in conos With
ns colleagues, felt that the one hand would BIO I'M
must naturally been the cessation OF the war;
refuse altogether TO be the channel OF communications
which Of the parties thought might be conducive 70
peaceful settlement and which the other party might
might not accept We did not think 1t necessary abso
nsey 70 decline 70 DC the channel o. suon communica
eontendng parties In the war was not such as, in
opinion justified in nterposing by any communicating
think the proper We said -" We wu communi-
cate the proposal the Austrian Minister; they contain your
sdvcs opnio and I've shan distincay say ai Is not
communication from as bN from you That was what
Iss'sd; my noble friend gave the memorandum 70
our proposal. but the proposal Of the Fren,h
aovernment-(hea hear)-and that the Austrian
government might deal with II good but as to
Me terms we expressed opinion Whatever the right
honorable gentleman (r. Disrae) seems to believe that
The proposal from US, that il framed some
opinion or recommendation Of On this point he is
entirely msnformed The right honorable gentleman Ia,
also reverted TO matter that has more than once been
topic OF remark that aide of the House. BE says we
fell into the mistake the government OF 1885,
That matter has been repeatedly misrepresented even
after statements In dsproved the misrepresentation from
papers possession Of house allowing what the trans
action really was. Why, Bir, the English government
Of lsas had no control over the Powers then wagng
government and the people Of Lonbardy were that
!Ombardy should be erected into an Austrian Arch
duchy. This the proposal when there was not
. single Austrian in Lombardy, when the Sar-
dinans had driven out the Austrian troops and there
. proposition was q mockery; IL was communicated by
The Austrian government to the government then exist
ing in Milan Il was treated with scorn and derson and
no answer was returned to It. Baron Hummeauer af-
forwards suggested another arrangement; he suggested
an amendment Of The first proposal VIII related solely
IN
That city was then in the hands Of the yenetians
who were defending it against the Austrans, and it
very unlikely that proposition unsatisfactory 70 the
kasn people would be accepted But the state Of things
altered the fortune Of turned in favor OF the
gained possession of Lombardy and Of course the former
plans not carried into effect But the decision the
Engsh government too. XIV, was one founded on The
rable gentleman says we ought not, under any
circumstances, 70 60 into q conference on the ques
sentative Of this country in the congress would merely
have 70 sign and register what the other Powers have
regard to venetia and Iombardy Venice to remain to
Austria; Lombardy has been conquered by the French
and Sandman arms, and il coded to France mode Of
saving the propre Of Austria but IL will be con.
signed Sardinia On these points the parties to the
territory that has been the seat OF war; is now held
by the parties who were engaged in Il. But there Will
parts Of Italy that the contendng armies did not occupy
and with which the two contracting Powers right
or authority 70 dea nor have they the power Of their
own authority TO put In execution what they might de-
eide respecting them Ny noble friend hAs stated that
before we took any decision we waited to see what
arrangement would be made between the Austrian,
French and Sandman governments He has also stated
the various difficulties that arise out Of that arrange
mens France and Austria may say Italy shall be
federation; but they have no power 70 organize such
system; they may say they will promote II ; but It
cannot DO carried into effect by treaty made al Zurich
members Of that confederation themselves. Ny noble
friend then stated the difficulties that may arise out Of the
they really lie surface It presumed that Austria
and Sardinia will both be members OF that confederation
How can the representatives Of those
the same table and discuss common matters? Hear The
Pope 70 be the honorary head Of the confederation
but the King Of Sardinia Is accommodated CNo.'J
any part q the territory Of he Pope deci.red to be
communicated and the issoners of the King Of Sar
ne To- & By
King Of Sardinia u accommodated (Hear) At all
events the presence OF the Austrian the Papa and the
Sandman Representatives at the council board
not promote amcsble solution OF any question that
may arise there: (Hear hear Questions may arise Of
may be called, the license Of the press there may
be questions the different degrees of political free
board; and Austria is member OF the CONGREGATION
with any other State in which free institutions have been
established, the latter will not work very tremendously
with Austria and such States as Tuscany and Modena.
And that we can avert any existing evils and
promote the improvement OF the people Of Italy, 1t is
her Eass.ys s government to use any influence It
may be able 70 exert on behalf Of the future
Of ss
said that the government of Rome is much ma
bened that it lie Of the most improving and progress
sve governments in existence. But would just ask him
question: How ID it that for many years, unless
foreign troops kept in Rome to preserve order and
overthrown in a DAY. (Hear.) The Roman government
appears think co. and must know well as the hon
orabIe and learned gentleman what its relations with
it's own subjects (Hear, hear) 1t s not the nature Of
men 10 overthrow every government without reason.
Man said 70 be destructive ANIMAL but not to that ex
tent 0Aughter) On the contrary, we find that when
government on the whole is good even when partial in
surrecons take place. the of the majority overrues
ls4s this metropolis WAS threatened with convulsion
but what happened hundred thousand Of the well dis
posed people armed themselves with daggers, pis
tolls ana muskets, but with honest English bludgeons,
and the city was nearly as peaceful on the day OF
the movement as on the day before or the day after
the existence not only Of discomfort but Of bitter resent
ent against the government and everything that belongs
not that perfect and model government which the homo
rable gentleman would have us believe but that In point
ns eS!.d well Sas ns
government being priesty and Catholic government
is not fitting that Protestant Power should interfere
to give II advice But 1882 that objection did not pre-
vent England, Prussia and Russa-none Of them Roman
Catholcrom joining France and Austria in recon- mend
Ing improvements which, Rome had adopted venture
70 say her government would haze saved itself
years Of modification and difficulty, yhile Italy
misery by which from that time TO this she has un
happily been icted. not why the course on
proper occasion presenting ITSELF should not again be
followed, and II the united voice Of Europe could be
brought TO bear upon it, surely 80 excellent progress
sive government, and 80 well beloved by its sub
jecs the honorable and learned gedteman would have
us suppose, might easily be prevailed upon TO move
little faster. "a laugh There s no reason, then, why
any opportunity should not be taken advantage Of to give
rood advice even to the Roman In regard TO
the amendment Of it's institutions The honorable gentle
does not believe the statement Of my noble friend
respecting the number Of people In the Neapoitan States
who under the tyranny and oppression Of the police
assure the honorable member that my noble friend
did not state anything which is not founded good in
formation That Of itaef is proof TO what degree these
bad render wrecned the unfortunate popu
atons submitted to their sway And when it is said that
we the advocates Of revolution, that they
are the real advocates OF revolution who maintain
these vicious governments which exasperate the
people, and by making legitimate ameoration hopeless
drive Into conspiracy and dark intrigue those unhappy
men who see other Of escaping from their
lamities Cheers) The right honorable gentleman dis
claimed the taunt of my noble friend that he treated
Inn apriuess and Italian liberty With 4 Sir