The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-08-12

have OF received ana trust tSay VII, moi gr"dSs iva
Of such iIforms 10 toe House Wrs
fire The Emperor Of Austa ,ohioh he found MARI srsr.
than those Which he has acceped' Nobody can supnose
that tbis matter pure Invention Of 30 gIea, psson
age she En OF Austria. It would the,afaya ha
extremely satisfactory the NOBLE lord coua assure the
House that no p,ojecta Of settlement emauapg from the
Powers had BY their noy, the AZ acy Of her
Majesty government, been brought Ter rhs notice of
thai sovereign The declaration IF che Emperor If auara
hesepr, precise very important neutral PoOsr Prs
sia has CINE forpard and stated that she knosos ing of
sach scheme having been submitted to hn notice do
NOT collect from tue noble lord that her Majesty's
government were equally ignorant OF taat cir instance
want TO know whether they were 10 possession Of such
scheme want to knoW whether, through the agency Of
her Msesty's government, that scheme pa, ed be-
fore the Emperor OF Austria. Hear, heaa) think
that when Ministers for ward upon critical occs
zion like this ard wish to influence not merely tue opn
ion by the conduct of this House, have right "
quire from the government liberal com nunicaons "a
respects their conduct. laea, : has reached met
this House and the country il they
ASSURED that uniounded--it has reached rae that
The scheme for the settlement OF hostiltes which the
Emperor OF Austria, comparing /. with the terms oe ed
by his enemy, found SO repuguant to his feelings and
interests was brought 70 his oognizance through the
That surely is communication which ought not to be
concealed from this house, or treated true In tho
touched upon II this evening. II may DO said that
this plan for the settlement Of Italy, which reached tho
noble lord as the responsible Minister Of the Crown and
the Emperor OF Austra, was presented without Offering
any OPINION OF bis own, and that her M4jestys govern
mept were not therefore, bound by it, But II this be So
Tx honorable gentlemen vii! agree vito ths. the
very fact that her government were the organs
Of by which propositions Of this nature
species Of sanction Of the plan which WAS presented
Hear, hear) And my statement be correct-it her
eel. aud they defend their conduc. the
plea that they gave opin OF the terms which they
the organ of laying before the Emperor Of AUSTRIA
will be satisfactory 10 the House. for ia OF the utmost
importance this moment that should be IN POSSESSION
of authentic and ole nowoJge OF the subject (Her
hear will be satisfactory to the House II at tho same
time the Ministers that they made commuu
GATOR Her MsjestVe Minister at Vienna instructed
that Mn ser to Austria 10 accept those pro
possls because let the House for moment consider IL
what have sta.edand shalt be glad to hear that is
utterly unoundedf What have stated be correct. what
Ia the probable resu9 The probable result is thisthe
Emperor OF Austria mas obtained easter term from his
ey than h. had fran those ohon he has described his
narc, allies Her Majestys government have, in fact,
again mmitted the same mistake which they committed
in lS4s (Hear hear) At tina! time q proposition was
made by the Austrian governmen similar to the term,
which have beeu ough the influence or the French Em
peror accepted. At tina, time the proposition VAS made
to close disturbances in Ia'y by the renqushmeut of
Lombardy--the very terms which after this bloody
Her Msjeaty's government then WAS, may say, this
very Identical government bee use affairs OF TIL, nature
are by minister's the First Minister and the
Secretary of State and the only difference in the two
sponsibs individuals is this that the noble lord then
First Minister, and the present First Minister thea
Secretary Of ate Clear, hear Let the house observe
bow completely, this account be true 1t ia repetition
Of the fatal bunder Of 1S4S Taen we repueiaed the
proposition OF Austrsa, and said that Venice aud We
nesn territory must be part Of the territory renqushed
By the Emperor Of Austria. We made that
qua non In the present these proportions 80
slightly noticed by the noble lord, couched in the
same ve,n and conceived in the same spirit. This
trail Power this natural ally, would not interfere TO
mediate except terms Of that character But
the meantime the enemy OF the Emperor of Austria
hsef moer terms The Emperor Of Austria accepts
What is positionS The affair is settled with.
Interference and without having obtained those
terms which we were the organ Of introducing to the Eco,
been II when hose terms OF mediation offered to US,
instead OF giving them the sanction Of r
and instead o. giving them the greater degree Of
ton involved in recommending them, through the instru
mentality Of Minister at Vienna, TO che acceptance OF
the Austrian government- free from all prejudice and
senee the English when this question be-
them-f had said to France, those terms which
sou offer are too severe although in their general spirit
agree with you, they must be modified, and We will
then recommend the Emperor Of Aus'ra to accapt
hemS' (Hesrl If her Maesty's governs ent had doie
tria accepting the terms which ultimately from the EN-.
peror Of the French he accepted in what different posi-
ton we should stand to France and Austria We should
tor between France and Austria for the general welfare
of Europe, and Austria would not look upon us
look upon with i'll will, though speaking Of ner
natural ally but as one to whom she indebted for the
terms which she now only owes to her great opponent
Hear, hear) think that is a point upon which her
Naestys government ought to degn to give more nfor
nation TO the House. Cheers) III be true that her
with the immense advantages which they have had in
dealing with this question which they had not ten years
mistake ard placed the country with regard to this ques
ton In 80 unsatisfactory position they much expa-
nsn to a. Let turn now to the
night on come other night adequate information will be
afforded upon the point on which have touched Bit
let us look at the treaty Of vafranca and this PROPOSE
ton, with which we become acquainted for the first
time to night, for England to assist in carrying
that treaty into effect because that ia the real
of
peace are concluded, attended by Power who has had
nothing do with the war either by action by aivce
is in fact being called In to carry peace into effect with
which that over has had nothing TO do and arising
Of war in which she has not In any way been connected
stances which may justify such the part the
government Ct this country wish to treat the question
with that which 1t requires, and in which
spirit, from its serious character, il behooves ap
proach it, The noble lord that this treaty of Villa
frarca must be considered under two heads 10 the first
place. be says there considerable change of terrific
~ from this peace, but it snge territory
which in way materially affected the balance OF
power Therefore, that consideration was concern
ed 1T unnecessary for England attend the congress
think 1t will be found, general rule which shoud
guide us in these matters that is the interest
this country to attend congress unless what is called the
balance OF power is materially affected. The balance
OF power" phrase sometimes treated with dersiou by
those who do not understand 1t (augher-I mean by
change Of public territory which might create pre-.
pOnderarce Of Power perhaps already too po Terful
agree with the noble lord that there nothing in the fact
OF the transference OF Lombardy from Austria 10 Sard1
which at all affects the balance of po Ter therefore
on that head agree with the noble lord our inere
renee for the present cannot for moment be recommend
ed maintain, as general rule, that we should at.
tend no conference where the balance OF power not
affected and the instances which the noble lord men.
tened at the end ofhs speech confirm and do not mpugn
the accuracy Of that principle because the balance Of
power might have been materially affected by the
sructon OF the kingdom Of Greece, can for
moment sontend that it was not materially concerned in
the settlement OF Belgium. (Hear.) But, says the
noble lord, although the balance Of power is not
concerned in this transierence Of single pro
vince from Austria to Sardinia, there Is a second
mead under which must consider this treaty
of Viilafranca, and TO what it will lead. and that s,
What the noble lord calls the future of Italy Now the
future OF Italy is subject of very great interest The
noble lord says have treated the future Of Italy with
sneer. have often had opportunities of speaking
this subject In this House, and have had the misfortune
to differ from the noble lord frequently upon it, that
will not take the trouble to vndcae my opinions,
wsh to speak the points Of business before But
tell the noble lord this-tha IL is his misfortune to be-
reve that there erias throughout Italy 'chig party and
until he gets that idea out of his head he piU be
able to consider the question in becoming
statesman Of his Degree (Hear, hear.) 1t has always