New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1859-04-02

lie hsi net come ir contact with that lnfuense yet
was said TO be IL existence and s odor vas aoro.i
| He believed there were hundred people there Who
were mportnIing members TO pass these bulls. He
had himself been argued with IN favor of these bills.
ard other members hsd also been approached. IL
wac shd that great tXeOns had been G-e1 20 convert
! tie Republican Committee, who had once declared
sgslnt ttese bills. ard report said ths. oue thousand
dollars had been offered ore nan 20 advocate these
| bls Rumor had it, also that prominent gentleman
OF this city, whose liberal and enlightened yiews keen
ssgsci'y, and high position entitled him 20 every re-
sfect, mad with bis Influence entered toe Lists and
Interested hinseI for these bills Il il said that the
gentleman WHO presented the Seventh Avenue bill
received il from hin.
Mr. &. S SPENCER-If the gentleman viii allow
TO iIterruIt him. viii state distinctly, n Justice
TO al parties that this sts.enert is entirely incorrect
Mr.. OPDlkE ContIrued-Ue knew nothing about
the fact and hsd only stated what rImcr hal reported
lie was authorized 10 offer half million o. dollars for
that very fran He deemsdt an urseeny spectacle
20 see party leaders endesvor TO induce their political
friends TO the odIum Of such ssures and be-
ieved that 10 party could pass measures 81 aringIy
VI lust without injury. He also believed that the
Governor would veto the bill II 1t was passed. No
person IN sober juc gment should vote to give away
Franchise for which hst million OF dollars vas Of
ered. lie desired to read TO the House letter picked
up in Committee room, addressed 20 member
he GriLdng Committee, by ex-senator, urging the
passage of the bills without debate.
Mr MILLER rose TO point Of order, a.d objected
20 the reading Of The letter.
The SPEAKER ruled the poiot Of order well taken
NJ OPDlkE concluded, by urging the rejection of
the bills.
The letter which Mr.. Opdyke alluded TO WAS sd.
dressed TO Mr. Abbott by Mr.. William Beach. II
advocates the passage OF the bis through the Grind
ips Committee without debate, on the ground that
discussion can lie had before the Special Committee
20 which the bill must be referred 10 be reported CON-
plee. Il also states that for every erased from
the application Cor their report twenty others could
have been obtained had the friends of the bill had
time 10 procure them.
Mr. COVER said that the gentleman from New
York had denounced the lobby severely, and talked
about gentlemen the floor being under the inhu
OF lo5bymen and outsiders, while, at the same
time he had stated that he these bulls because
friend Of his desired TO procure the franchise hnse
ar vas willing 10 pay half million Of dollars for It,
Mr.. OPDYKE-The gentleman misunterataIts me-
did not charge gentlemen ON the floor with being
under the influence Of the lobby.
Mr. GOVER-Then the gentleman language mis-
represented Lis meaning. He would not cnsrge his
colleague NJ Opcyke) with having personal inter
est in that BID of hall million OF dollars, but he
MI Cover would ssy that he was Just 70 wiling TO
give tie franchise 70 worthy men who could mot sh)rt
to pay half million of dollars, as to those who could
afford TO pay that sum. He believed that the latter
WI lie wiling to give half million of dollars for the
franchise now 10 order to secure H. would subsequently
mske up more than than that sum ont OF the people
Mr.. LAWRENCE spoke sgsinet the bills, and
sganst giving swsy franchise for which large sun
was offered. He was uncompromisngly opposed to
the conversion of Whist may be public necessity to the
exclusive promotion Of irdividual private sdvan-
tsge. The exercise OF the power of the state to take
private property for pro'essedly public purposes,
should never be resorted to, unless the public will be
greatly benefited, unless full and adequate conf
pepsaior given to the individuals whose propertys
taken.
Mr.. SCHOLEFIELD spoke at length in favor OF
the bills urging the great necessity OF rsrosts for
the use OF the millions travelling in the City of New
York. Toe only persons that opposed tnem were a
few property holders and omnibus prOprletors, who
desred TO force the people to ride in their Outoftste
He rerliei N the remArks of Mr. ODiyks
respecting lobby ibtueuces, by referring him to the
hosts Of outsiders 10 the Interest OF the omnibus pro-
prietors, stsge route owners and property holders
who were besiegirg members not TO pass these bls.
lie inquired whether Mr.. Opdyke had made assertions
of corrupt Influences being used 10y Republicans DID
he do so from bis personal knowledge OF then TRUTH
CT only from rumoT.
Mr. OPDYKE-I stated rumor said, but did not
charge the corrupt Of influence by prominent Re
publcans. "
Mr. SHOLEFIELD-Ce Certainly had understood him
co. and was glad bear this explicit denial. He pro-
cseded to describe humorously the exertons OF the
lobby against these bills.
Mr.. 1UTHILL spoke in favor OF the bulls, ana
aas,.st the nlUuon 10 stilKe them out OF the report
uging their necets ity. They demanded tor the
public conveyance and il was amos. impossible to
get along much longer without them. DE regarded
the talk about lobby influence rs idle. Tust influence
had been used IN scores of bills for which all the MEM
beIs voted 1t used both sides for and against
bills lie would not reject bill that was wise 10 lts
provisions and demanded by public necessity, simply
il ia called il its favor. He would not dash out the
brains of child because il had the small poI. He
believed there lobby Influences for and against
these bills but believed also that the Railroads we're
demanded on the routes named IN the bills sno should
vote for their retention in the report and for their ns
adoption.
Mr.. n. A. CHILDS spoke against the bills.
Mr. &. 5. SPENCER said he had been opposed to
the bills becaused he deemed it uI Just to deprive the
omnibus proprietos Of their propretors Of their pnv
ieges which would ruin them. Bat be now learned
that the corporators in the bills had offered liberal
and honorable compensation to the propretos o the
stage routes, ard this done Le should favor the
bile
Mr.. SMITH asked and obtained leave to present
petitions bumerousy signed, from the Fret Ward, ia
favor Of there railroads. lie satei that bis constu-
ents had instructed him to vote for these bis
Mr.. LAW said the Members IRON the country lind
difficulty in voting on questions coming from New
York. IRE streets Of New York have been paid tor,
ard the public has the right to them Tor public
conveyance ne they IL. The omnibus Is az inst-
tuition Of the past, and has no presonptye right TO
use the streets for carrying passengers. II the omn
bus proprietors injured, We regret il but we
must legisste for the public not Tor individuals II
the New. York Common Council will not charter rail-
roads for the public convenience, the Legislature
81 )ud. We hear much Of lobby corruption and fraud
but heard too much OF that already II is favor
lie way Of defeating laws here. he publc VII think
there Is purity here. They viii think the Members
Of the Legislature corrup. as the fostering pol
luton Of cities TIE men VINO come from New-l ork
for ard agaitst the bills have right 10 come and We
have no right to call zach men corrupt and hold them
up TO scOrp.
Mr.. MILLER spoke in favor Of the bills. Although
from remote parl Of the Safe he had felt as al VINO
10 to New.York must feel the necessity OF railroads
in that city. lie declared the opposition to the bills
can from the omnibus geItiemen, who were opposed
Mir. ABBOT ssid letter hsd been introduced into
the House. ard commented by the gentleman from
New iolk oPd.kel, addressed to MIN by an iItm.te