The daily dispatch. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1884, 1859-10-11
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TUESDAY MORNING. ofr :, ,esa
GENERAL CONVENTION
or THE
EPISCOPAL CHURCH Of the UNITED STATES
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FIFTH DAY.
MoNpAY. Oct. 10. 1850

The proceedings OF saturday We're Feau py
the Secretary.
Standing Committees were called on for re-
ports.
The Committee on Canons submitted a re-
port
|. That the Committee on Canons have had nn-
|. al the Constitution. as to locate the Conven
tIon permanently nj Philadelphia, and report that,
in their opinion. the proposed amendment rs not
eSpedient and ask tc he DISCHARGED from the fur
ther consideration ot the same.
A motion TO discharge the Committee, rs re-
quested, was put and carried in the alhrna-
tive.
Mr.. Hin of California desired TO be infoIm-
ed if the discharge of the Committee was TO
be considered as a negative decision OF the pro-
posed amendment.
The Chair thought the matter was unaliy
disposed Of.
Mr. Craik of Kentucky, said the practice OF
the Convention had been that, after the dis
charge Of committee from the consideration
OF 4 subject, it might be again called up ana
recommitted.
Mr. New ton. of Mass. said if the matter was
disposed of by the discharge of the Commit
tee, the Committee must be considered As the
House. His experience had been that mat
ter might be called up again and considered.
DIR. Stevens, OF Pa, MIR. Evans, OF Nd, Dr'
Mead, of Conn, and others, spoke on the SUD-
ject when
Mr.. Taylor. of Va, after remarks, moved 10
reconsider the vote by which the committee
was discharged.
The discussion was continued by Gov. All
ston, of s c., Judge Chambers, of Md, Mr..
Potter, Of GA, and Mr.. Winans, Of Cal.
Mr.. Guion, of La, called attention to the
18th rule of order, relating 10 reports OF COM
mittees. which he thought was sufficient for
the guidance of the House III this matter.
The motion TO reconsider was put TO vote
and carried.
Mr.. Hill, of Cal, then moved to lay the re-
port on the table.
Judge Chambers moved rs a substitute that
it be recommitted.
SIr. Hin pressed his original motion, which
was put and carried. and the report relative
10 Article l. was laid on the table.
Mr.. Tlral, of Cal. called attention 10 the
report made by the Committee on Canons last
Saturday, relative 10 the appointment of As
sistant Bishops, and hoped some member
who voted in the affirmative would moVea re-
consideration of the vote dischargng the COM
mittee as many members thonght 1t impor-
tant that the subject be discussed.
The Committee on Canons also submitted
the following report:
II. The Committee on Canons. to which it wns
referred to take into consideration and report to
this House the facts to the legislation and the
efal Convention OF 1856, upon. CanonS l and OF
1853 respectfully report
That on the 18th day of October. the lith day OF
the session Canon entitled .'Of the Abandon
ment Of the Communion of the Church by any
Bishop. Priest or Deacon was presented to TINS
of 1853 were repealed On the 18th day OF October,
the 18th day of the session. such Canon was
on the 10Th of October, the 18th day of the ses
sion, & message was received from the House OF
BISHOPS, follows: That this House does not
concur with the House of Clerical and Lay Depu
ties in enactlns the Canon ot the Abandonment oil
tie Communion of the Church by any Bishop,
Priest or Deacon, because tine House does not per
ceive any sufficient ground Tor changing eXlStlng
PROVISIONS on the subject. ot the e same i aay tue
"RsS0fred, The House of Bishops concurring, that
Canons and OF 1883 he repealed and on the 2lst
of October the 18Th day oi the session. the follow
ing message was received from the House oi
:. Tie House of Bishops informs the House of
Clerical and Lay Deputies that II has passed the
following resolution: ReS SoEred, That the House OF
Bishops do not concur IN the action OF the CLERICAL
and Lay Deputies respecting Canons l and 2 OF
The action Of this House on the 18th day of the
session was sent to tie House of Bishops the
same day. The 18th day was the las. oil The session
Tpon this state of 1acts the COMMITTEES is unani-
mously OF the opinion that Canons and 2 ef 1853
are not repealed. and offer the following resolution:
RsS0irsd, That IN the opinion OF this House,
Canons and OF 1853 are not repealed.
By order OF the comWsteee, NJ eooprp Nr.n Chm
A message was received from the House of
Bishops, announcing the appointment OF
Committees to act in conjunction with the
House of Deputies, in reference to the report
of the Committee 10 Digest the CanonS of the
Church and in reference to the report OF the
Trustees of the Relief Fund.
Dr. Tinton, OF New York, called for the
reading of the resolution which had been re-
ferred 10 the Committee on Canons, and upon
which report had just been made, and the
Secretary read it. as follows:
Resaired, That it be referred to the Committee
lnous 10 take into consideration and report to
this House the facts as to the legislation and the
status OF such LEGISLATION OF tins House III the
General Convention of 1856, on Canons and OF
lS53.
DR. Lay, of Ala, said that so much dissatis-
faction had been expressed with regard to the
manner i'll which the time of the House is
spent, in amending Canons and discussing
Rules of Order. that he desired TO offer a reso
luton TO bring the minds OF members to sub
jects tending towards the good OF the Church.
lie thought the Committee on the State OF the
Church should bring in report, to afford
themes for more profitable debate. The fol-
lowing is the resolution:
R,sOErsd, That the Committee on the State
of the Church, be and are hereby authorized to
consider any matters that ma, he deemed practi-
cable ior the efficiency of the Church, and recon-
mend such action to this House as may be consid-
cred expedient and necessary.
A motion was made TO postpone the order of
the day for the reception OF this resolution,
and a ebate ensued, in which several members
participated. Meanwhile, a message was re-
ceived from the House of Bishops, returning
a resolution relative to the signing OF testimo-
mails and the conservation of bishops, the
same having been transmitted III an uncanon-
ical form.
A motion was made and carried to lay on
the table the motion to postpone the order OF
the day.
The House then proceeded to the considera-
ton of the order OF the day, viz The proposed
amendment of Art 3 of the Constitution
The original Article, which has been In force
more than half a century, is as follows:
Arr 3. The Bishops of this Church, when there
shall he three or more, shall. whenever General
Conventions are held, form separate House, with
cnIrenee " Of the House Of Deputies composed of
Clergy aud Laity; and when any proposed act shall
have pass I'd the House OF Deputies, the same shall
lie transmitted TO the House OF Bishops who shall
have negative thereupon; ana al aefs OF the
And ia iii eases the House of Bishops shall sienf,
TO she Convention their appreciation or dlsapproba-
ton tthe latter with their reasons N WIN
in three DAYS alter the proposed act shall nave been
reported to them for concurrence; and IN failure
thereof it shall have the operetion oi law. Bat
until there shall be three more Bishops as aiore-
shall I've member sr seto. and shall vote with the
clerical deputies of the Diocese TO Iwhlc. he be-
loBgs. and a Bishop shall then preside.
i is proposed to amend by substituting the
following
the Bishops of this Church shall form se parats
House. with the right to orisinate f. and propose
ties. and ali acts must pass both Houses.
Mr. Evans, OF Md, who proposed the
in the last General Convention,
opened the debate in speech Of some length,
in support thereof; but the reporter was una
HE TO hear distinctly a word that he said.
Mr.. Thrail, of CAL, said he rose chiefly for
the purpose Of bringing before the House, by
it in his remarks, proposed
amendment. which, in case of the failure of
the one under consideration, he shonid oher In
due form. He thought the amendment advo-
Gated by the gentleman from Maryiand was
into four lines the requisite provisions. Ano-
tner objection was that its form was bad. II
does not sufficiently guard the privileges and
rights of this House. The House had now the
House Of Bishops for their concurrence; but 1T
will be seen that in the amendment this feature
Of the Constitution is stricken out, while the
rights OF the House OF Bishops are still retains
ed. He thought this too much OF q concession, |
and that 1t was better for the two Houses to
originate for each other, and then let all acts |
pass both Houses before they become laws. BY |