The Washington union. [volume] (City of Washington [D.C.]) 1857-1859, 1859-02-19

property. No reply had been received He presumed
the gentleman from Illinois pould hardly be serious ia
moving 10 apply portion OF the regular pay Of the army
for the purpose Of protecting the rcseryatons He had
doubt when they received reply from the Secretary
Of War, the committee would be able to report upon the
subject
Mr. HOUSTON, Of Alabama, inquired whether il was
true the War Department permitted trepasses upon the
military reservations by any person who might want 10
take timber from them or otherwise destroy their
yalues ttE Fa0 IftEt
Mr. FAULKNER replied that they had no knowledge
of the existence OF any espaser at all further than the
communication made 10 him personally by the gentleman
from Illinois, Alr WAsnnURNE, and the resolution sent
10 the committee They did know that the laws OF
the land vested in the Secretary War power use the
military force of the country to protect these military
eTvations.
Mr. WAsHBURNE had information Of the tresspasses
upon the reservation at Rock island one year ago when
he had addressed letter 70 the Secretary Of War In rea
ton 10 these trcspases 10 which lac had received the
ply that he had force at command by which he could
protect the island.
Messrs FARNswoRrH Of Illinois and BLISS, of
Ohio, advocated the adoption of the amendment, and
Messrs MARSHALL Of Kentucky, and HUGHES, of In
diana, opposed it,
RKspoSsiBILITY OF MEMBERS.
Mr. LoyEJoY replied to the remarks of Mr.. LErcnrR,
Of Virginia. Submitted yesterday defending the repub
lean party from the charge of responsibility IN voting
extrayagant appropriations Mr.. LEoHER had appealed
TO his side Of the House. half scodng and half cxpost
atoIy and attempted 10 show that ID their duty TO
up to the help Of the democracy and vote the APP
preparation bills II they removed the Secretary of the
Treasury the Secretary of War; reconstructed the
nees and gave his friends their full proportion they
would shoulder the responsibility of administering the
government hut whilst they crushed down, he in
sisted that the democracy had right to that they
were destitute of patriotism and nationality The de.
mocacy had got into slough and might stick there till
dooms day before his vote should help them out.
Mr.. LEICHEE said Mr.. LoyRJoy had only noticed
such points as he imagined had been made yesterday 1t
would be rcoeeted that the proposition which he dis
cussed was that there individual responsibility
resting upon every individual member of the body
matter to what political party he belonged for the dis
charge of the public duty devolved upon them Legs
lators. Did the gentleman deny that to be the fac
Was he here without responsibility to his constituents pr
/ the eountryf Hss. aHtW #
! Mr. LoVEJoY acknowledged his responsibility, and
was fully upon the record
| Mr. LETUuER contended that IL he acknowledged lis
responsibility he could not undertake to get rid of tie
| responsibility which devoivcd upon his party, for it
was made up of individual members who Acknowledged
their responsibility He ready TO take his respon
bty and the gentleman must take his share Of resIon
sbility But he had charged that the Speaker had nnde
the committees unfairly. Would the gentleman go tcl
TO the last Congress, and tell him the in which
] the committees made then .s5
! Mr.. LovEJoY understood though he was not men
Der then that the Speaker ultra liberal to the demo
cratic side OF the House
| Mr. LETCHER Take the Committee of Ways anil
| Means. Who was chairman
] Mr. MARSHALL of Kentucky, raised point of or
| BILL a
Mr.. LETCIIER was surprised the gentleman had not
made his point upon the gentleman from Illinois
Mr.. MARSHALL sal he thought Mr. LErolER had con-
| cuded, or he would not have raised it,
| The CHAIRMAN sustained the point of order.
The question then taken the amendment of
Mr.. WAsnBuRYE and it was rejected.
BREvET CONVERSATION.
Mr.. FAULKNER moved that the appropriation for the
pay of the army be reduced thirteen thousand dollars for
the purpose of cutting off the pay and cnoluments at
tachcd to the brevet rank
Messrs. BoNHAM OF South Carolina, HUGHES of Indi-
ana, STANTON of Ohio, MARSHALL Of Kentucky,
PHELPS Of Missouri, and NICHOLS of Ohio opposed the
amendment; whilst Messrs GinDINGS of Ohio, CURTIS
of Iowa and LOVEJOY Of Illinois were in favor thereof;
when the question being taken, the amendment was
jected-ayes As, noes SO
PROPOSED REDUCTION
Mr. BLAIR of Missouri, moved TO add to the end of
the item for the pay of the army proviso that the pay
of the officers lie restored TO the rate which existed preyi
Gus the act of 1857 increasing the pay Of the officers
Mr.. CHAFFEE, of Massachusetts, raised point Of
der that this amendment proposed to change existing
The CHAIRMAN decided the point Of order to be well
taken
EXTRA nAuoSs.
Mr. FAULKNER then moved to reduce the appropria-
ton of 434 so for communication of officers subsist
in the of ,0O0 being the amount required for
extra ratons to those In command OF extra posts,
Messrs PHELPS of Missouri, DAVIS of Maryland, and
HUGHES Of Indiana opposed the amendment.
Mr.. STANTON, of Ohio, moved TO amend the amend
ment by adding to the item, and the sum of 100000
which is taken from the amount estimated for the
mutation Of oiecFs subsistence shall he deducted from
the extra rations allowed to commaudans OF military
post" #r HE
Mr.. FAULKNER accepted the amendment q moii-
| fication of his own which then agreed to.
REDUCTION HORSES.
Mr.. FAULKNER next moved to reduce the appropria-
ton OF 900 supplies the oualtcrmascr's
department in the of $500 000 for the purpose Of
REDUCING the Runbef Of horses in that department, by
refusing to appropriate sufficient sum for their forage
which was agreed TO-
REDUCTION IN iABonERa.
/ Mr. FAULKNER also moved TO reduce the appropria-
ton of $500 for the Incidental expenses OF the Quar-
termasters department to $3.50 000 for the purpose OF
reducing The number of aborers employed in that de-
| parment IS flr a8 shss r
Mr.. PENDLEI0N, of Ohio, moved TO amend the
alapdlaept by adding tho words 'and the amount shall
DO deducted from fha AMOUNT esaated for the pay of
laborers in the Qualtermastcrs department." '1
| Mr.. FAULKNER accepted the amendment as modii-
cation Of his own; which was then adopted.
INCIDENTAL EXPENSES
Mr. HUGHES, Of Indiana, moved that the entire up.
preparation of $500 600 for the incidental expenses OF
the Quartermasters department be stricken out the
| ground that i was indefinite and if there was any
economy be accomplished in the expenses of the army
he clearly of the opinion thai il was 70 be done IN
| this and the Commissary departments,
The question being taken, the motion was REACTED,
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