The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-11-14
NEW YORK HERALD, MONDAY, NOVEMBER II, 1859.

empire was to be established which would
the possession OF indis by the EnglSh, and cut on,
and Cantoo. respectable force Of French and
spaniards sailed tor Cochin China and the game
played as " nedated this side of the globe. IN
dispatches published containing narratives OF the
lianco Spanish exploits Few people ia France
about the Anamic empire or its humiliation and il
likely that the French decimated by disease will with
craw altogether or content themselves with tho
ton Of one or two points on the worthless coast. With
Morocco Is likely to be the same The country will be
Of no advantage any European possessor sueuga
ten is not likely To enter into the Imperial scheme But
non q gsm IN uhieh France the CHIEF, and Spain.
Iicdmcnt. he afa States Naples are The dependeats
eese7res TIC attention u csery politician among u.s.
From the london Herald Oct III
1t would be hardly fair, with present Intelligence,
look upon the actions Of France and Spajn as Inspired
hy the desire Of striking blow against this country.
Yet the affair looks ugly enough at first sight provoke
both our suspicion and our Indignation II hardly
be supposed that our government have allowed the pre-
believe that the good Offices Of this country have been
offered 10 bring about peaceful conclusion 10 the differ
our mediation has been proposed and refused by SPAIN
then the settled determination Of tho Spanish authorities
10 act without regard to our counse and interests,
leaves us free to adopt the best suited maintain
own position. II will remain for Spain to determine
whether attitude shall be of passive waichfuncss
OF active resistance The English people will allow no
dca,ion the part Ct their own to weaker
State will they tolerate themselves from any Power
in the world There is point where is weak
ness and inacton cishonor. Probably the best way
avoid the alternatives OF oreng our dignity or ACCEPT
ing challenge is to speak out plainly ard deermneily
our tntton 10 Keep open, at all husards those
iors pih he sftca" continent necessary The security Of
he garrison OF Gitraltor
The San Juan Difficulty Again INSULT
ing 20 EnSland-British Opinion of the
Presidents Position iowa rds the North
west.
From the London Times, Oct 27l
one or two OF the New York journals appear disposed
to tall foul Of Prcsden, Buchanan not instantly sup
oh
OF an uDdecnced island the Pacific. We are not dis.
posed TO attach much value 10 these displays of temper
Tor, III the lrst place, the press has little influence
american politicians Wen IN Office and, in the next,
diatTbes OF that ordinary character which the
transatlantic public Is well accustomed. The rolcking
IRISH tone oil the American newspapers is, to the
sercoiyred phrase, easily than described
Every subject, from war with England to .he election
OF an Alderman Ia S'elville or New Nineyeh, Is dis
cussed with an ensy olrnand manner which is never
met with here except 10 the description OF sht for
the championship. No portion Of the American press is
free from this slang style, which, while detrac
its just influence, certainly makes its mschevous nen
completely innocuous The British public will learn
with little surprise tia. just at this the warlke
designs OF our government and determination to insult
The peaceable Rpstlic IF The West the subjects Of
indignation ia The c0iamns Of tie New YORK HERALD and
othea congenicl jour ats Engshmen who never neard OF
sun Juan in their lives before General Harvey thought liz
10 make and himself famous morning il June last,
are now supposed 10 be ready to plunge two nations into
war for the purpose of invading American rights and
resting the progress of California and the Washington
Territory. The Jesuit in Disguise is IA.
vorite bugbear with Protestant old ladies' and we
should not be surprised if some penetrating in.
telec connected with the American press were to dis
that General Harvey himself agent Of
England and had commenced quarrel between the two
governments in order to give Lord Pamerston and Lord
John opportunity for onslaught the stars and
stripes.
We cannot see any other way Of accounting for the
fact than that the whole matter from beginning end
has been the result OF foolish act of aggression the
part Of the American commander The treaty which
tied as was thought the Oregon question: concluded
nearly fourteen years ago. than two years before
the discovery OF gold called attention to the Pacific coast
and before California had become portion OF the
American Union. Until the peace with Mexico the Ameri
had only little slip of coast, which perfect
wilderness, resortcd TO only by whalers fur ira.
ders, and totally beyond the ordinary sphere Of
on the Pacific before the close of this century
hardly entered into the minds of the most sanguine
prophet of American greatness Read the speeches of
the elder statesman Ct that country read Coopcrs
novels any works which represent the prevailing feel
lug Of the people, and you will find that steady march
westward WAS the means by which it supposed that
the continent would be occupied by American pioneers
The absorption Of Mexico antipated likely
precede by many years the settlement OF the Pacific
coast and Americans counted on reaching India and China
from some tropical port in the territory of the Spanish
Americans. At that time the position almost the
stence Of the little island the subjecof dispute
known The Oregon question engaged the feelings both
nations abstract question Of territory and the settle
ment was thought practically to the next
ton rather than need not be said that the
treaty was intended to give England the possession of Van
westward of the channel by which the Gulf Georgia
entered That channe-the channel to which the treaty
refers, and which the English government camwas the
channel through which Vancouver Sailed and which had
always been used by the few sailing vessels which visited
the then nhosptabe wilderness. so understood at
the time, and the maps published in both countries
cxtant 10 sholc that the right Of England to the little island
Of San Juan aods fully recognized But since that time
great events have taken place. The tide emigration
has made California powerful State and the British pos
sessions 4 iourishog colony. new channel between
san Junn and vancouvers Island has come INTO use and
being found deeper and safer has been much used es
pecay by steamers this grouad that the Arneri
cans pretend that the channel that referred
70 in the treaty; but is only within the last year or two
that the subject has been even mooted.
That question like this is be settled fairly and
amicaby admits of no doubt and the of the two
governments in sending commissioners to the spot
the most likely to terminate the difficulty in honorable
manner OF the right of our own government enter
tain no doubt, but THAT is not the question What
Engishmen-what every friend OF peace irrational
law may justly complain of is that while the report OF
commissioners s still III allegiance hot headed officer to
gain little temporary popularity, should take military
possession OF the disputed island and counting on the
forbearaace of force sufficient to crush him. should pro
claim the sovereignty OF the United States President
Buchanan though ooriously preipoei dJGiast the Eag
hsh has with the full consent OF his Cabinet, and
OF the public opinion OF his countryrnen shown q
disposition to settle the matter amicaby, ignoring
the unauthorized ac; OF General Harvey, and re-
storing the controversy 10 the position in which stood
before June last General Scott has been despatched to
take the command in Washington Territory: and unless
some unfortunate encounter has taken place already there
can be little doubt that the two will arrive at
an understanding This is the Presidents crime in the
eyes Of section Of American journalists Submission to
England dereicton Of duty, betrayal Of hardy po
neers, charged against the chief magistrate mingled
with the usual Boosting about whipping the Brshe and
planting the flag Of freedom on every portion Of the
tilcnt.
THIS country viii be able to look back on the whole
transaction with good conscience. However it may be-
there mas been no fault committed, either by home
government or by the colonial and naval authorities
Under an insolent provocation the latter have de-
meaned themselves moderately and yet manfully
They have not brought about collision, and yet they
have shown themselves quite strong enough to support
the just rights Of their country We that on the
other side OF the Atlantic similar spirit prevails and
that while Americans ready stand up for what is
their own, they will not be led away by the popularity
hunting OF Harvey the buster Of few partisan po
ticians 1t will be best for both nations that both should
De Tree to develope their settlements the Pacific coast
AS the world is well San Juan in itself is of no
value the real question is whether SHALL by the
render OF the island, ato the Gulf Of Geord 10 be closed
and access to rotuobe coony inerda whenever shall
50 pease forei9n State. The channel which will remain
10 England if san Juan coded cannot be used should the
lsland be fortified by the Americans and may as well
give up Fraser river at hand the key the
Gulf Of Georgia.
PROPERTY OF THE HUDsON's BAY COMPANY.
From the London Times, Oct. ISL
The capital employed by the company is 81 265. O6s,
and consists OF stock standing in the Of the propre
fZHe "a