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Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
The Facts About the Admission Of
Oregon.

The Chicago Journal abiding to the recent
admission of Oregon as State of the Union,
remarks:
This Oregon State bill passed the Senate on
the 18th of May, 1858, the vote standing sc
for to 6 against, only six Republicans voting
in the ne 1ative and had the bill come to a
vote in the House at that time, we doubt not
that but few Republicans would have opposed
it.
But our readers and the public well recol
lect that few weeks subsequently, the De-
mocracy in Congress passed what is known
as the English Kansas bill, requiring popu-
lation of $4,000 to qualify Territory for ad-
mission as State. This gave rise to new
issue. Kansas, to become a State, was re-
quired to have either Slavery or population
of $4,000. She refused Slavery, and now
abides to population alternative. On the other
hand, Oregon, with population of about &C, :
600, not half as much as Kansas was required
to possess, was pressed upon Congress by the
Democracy, in utter disregard of the popula-
ton qualification they have so recently setap.
The Republicans, with few exceptions, insist
ed that what was just in the case, of Kansas,
was equally so in the case of Oregon, and on
this ground opposed her admission.
The reason of this discrimination against
Kansas and in favor of Oregon, by these mod.
ern popular sovereignty" Democrats, is
simply this: Kansas, if admitted, would add
two Republican Senators and Republican
Representative to Congress; hence the oppo
sition of the Democracy to her admission. Ore
gon, on the other hand, would add to Congress
two Doughface Democratic Senator's and
Democratic Representative; and hence tn
anxiety of the Democracy for her admission
at all hazards and by all means.
1t is worthy of remark, as illustrative of De
mocratic consistency and regard for justic
that the very men who were the most anxious
to establish the 81, 900 population rule whe,
Republican Kansas was in the question, wer
the first to ignore and violate that rule in tn
case of Democratic Oregon
But Oregon is now State, and she is no
unwelcome. She is the thirty-thisd membe,
of our Confederacy of States. Last year cam,
Minnesota; this year, Oregon. May we no
hope that next year Kansas, too, will be ad
mitted -
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
: CITY N. EWS.
J. F. WILLIAMS, 5: LOCAL EDITOR
THERmOMETRIOAL RECORD.
REPORTED FOR THE MINNssofIAN BIT DAY b JERKS
DRUaaIsrs; Con. THIRD AND CEDAR SrREREs. z
MARRIED.

At the residence of Ex-Gov. GoRxAN, on the
evening of the 18th inst, by the Rev. A. B. PAT
rERsoN, Rector of st. Paups iEpiscopaD Church,
HARVEY OFFICER, ESQ.,, to Miss q. L. E. GoRAAN,
all of this city. 70
Blessed be those who "remember the Prin-
ter"-as was done in this case, by package OF
deicacies. Ten thousand wishes for the long life,
prosperity and happiness of HARVEY and his bride.
IED.
In this city, on the 18th inst, by Rev. j. G. Rel
HEIDAgEER, JAMES KINDS, ESQ.,. of st. Peter, Nicol-
let county, Mimi, to Miss ANNIE II. PRATT, of st.
Paul.
In Alton, Minnesota, at the residence OF the
brides brother, on February 10th, by Rev. s.
Putnam, T. D. SMITH, of Chaska, to EXILE Angus
IA THOMPSON, formerly of Windsor county, vt.
Died this morning, EMILY M. PARKER, wife OF A.
F. PARKER, daughter of WILLIAM and BETsEY LADD.
Funeral services will take place at the jackson
Street Church. on Tuesday, the 18th inst, at half
past 10 o'clock, A. N. All friends are invited.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
Tho Pixies Peak Gold Region.

The Mineral Point, Wis.,, Tribune says:
1--WE conversed few days since with gen
deman Of reliable veracity who has been
through large portion of the country claimed
to be gold bearing in Kansas, and prospec ted
with others for the glittering ore. From h i'm
we learn that while others claimed to find
the color, he had never discovered anything
like gold, though he had washed many pan
full of dirt in various localities where gold is
now said to be most abundant. He is of the
opinion that there may be gold in some por-
tons of the country about Pixies Peak, though
he thinks the stories circulated in relation to
us apundance are gv:icn up ~ epocd.;.s,.s
for mercenary purposes" This is direct tes-
timony and should have its full weight.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
From the Milwaukee Free Democrat of Feb.

From the Milwaukee Free Democrat of Feb. e..
Pixies Peak---Authentic News.
DR.. McLachlen, said to be thoroughly reli-
able, writes the following letter from the gold
mines to S. Hale, ESQ.,, Of Kenosha, Wis. We
think its statements may be depended on:
CHERRY CREEK X. T.,
Feb. 10, 1858. (
Samuel Hale, Esq.-Dear Sir: .-.
Agreeable to my promise, shall write you
few lines concerning this gold country; and
in doing so, shall not be able to give you as
definite information as | could wish, as it was
about the first of November when we arrived
her., since when there has been but little dig
ging done, anu in fact little before, as there
we're but few here during the mining season,
and those who were here devoted their time
mostly to prospecting. .., ....
The stories that are circulated East are usu-
ally exaggerated. At any rate they circulate
East before they get to MS.
AS near as | can ascertain from good au-
thoriy, gold is found Oh, all the streams which
issue from the noqnt.if>) from iha mead ~
ters of the Arkansas to those 4 thc ioyth
Platte. In what Quantities, ca'.ngt say i;o--
itlvely. The most digging he bee. done on.
Cherry Greek, "a branch vi tlo South Platte)
and on the Platte Itself. The best claims will
turn out about twenty five cents to pan Of
dirt Such diggings will pay largely if sluices
be constructed, and even rockers could make
nice thing if water is convenient. Eg"
The gold dirt on any of these streams which
come from the mountains, will average from
netO ten cents 10 the pan. There has been
burlittle prospecting done in the mountains as
yet There is one party who have gone on to
the mountains ten or fifteen miles, and found
shot gold. This is a coarser quality Than is
found in the open country, and the grains of
which are about the size Of mustard Seeds
They say they have found good thing and
have commenced building their cabins there;
but as to what amount Of gold they get, they
as yet refuse to disclose.
cannot help but think, from the amount of
gold which is distributed over the country
here there must be some rich deposits, and
those will probably be found in the mountains.
When the mining season opens again, and
there hundreds prospecting the country over,
where there has been one heretofore, we will
know something definite about the gold, and
not before There is one thing which speaks
favorably for the country, and that is, those
who have been here some time, and the re-
cent emigration, seem perfectly willing to re-
main and try their hand during the coming
season.
There is nothing here to make an agricul-
tural region. There is but little land here
that will raise anything; and besides, timber
is scarce, and next to no hard timber at all.
There is a good deal of pine in the mountains
(mostly yellow pine) which makes very good
lumber. Game is abundant.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
The Fizzle Negotiation.

The Saltwater Messenger qlizzes most un-
mercifully the "if" and "but" negotiation of
the bonds by Mr.. Sibley, as "A Great Old
Fizzle" 1t winds up as follows: -sH .
"Cruel, cruel Governor to send out word
that the bonds had been negotiated, just as
Ed. Rice announced eight months ago, when
h. wanted the people to ratify the loan that
arrangements hnoe been made for all the
money the companies will require" -
1--WE have no doubt, however, but the ne
gotta lions viii be made, if the only contingent
cy.- ,te a2ceptance by the companies. We
t.liua they vii accent Of almost any arrange
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

SERIOUS CHARGE-P. O.. CLERK AIRES TED
FOR MAIL RoBBERY.-On Saturday morning
at very early hour, Chief Crosby arrested
Geo. L. Lumsden, clerk in the st. Paul
Post Office, at his residence at Lake Como, ON
charge of robbing the mail. Mr.. Lumsden
was at once committed to the city Jail, and in
the afternoon brought before U. s. Commits
sioner, Geo. w. Prescott, who bound him over
in the sum of $1,000 to appear for further 'ex-
animation on Saturday the 26th.
The facts elected are about as follows -
Sometime last month, a Mr.. J. w. Davis, of
Fox Lake, Wis, mailed to his brother at South
Bend, MIMI, Land Warrant, which pas sed
through this Office, on its transit, and never
reached its destination. #'r,
j. G. Dow, Register at the Henderson L and
Office, was applied to to know whether a war
rant of that number and description had been
entered at his Office, but found no record of it.
A few days afterwarcl, however, being on a
look out for it, man residing in that District
named Adam Rose, brought the identical war
rant to the Office to enter some land Mr.
Dow ascertained that he had purchased it Of
dealer in this city, and traced it through one
or two hands to Mr.. Lumsden, who had sold
it to a land dealer in this city On Jan. Sta last,
with one or two other small warrants Chief
Crosby thereupon arrested Mr.. L.
The accused says he can explain how it
came into his possession, and clear himself
from this serious charge. He has Slways
borne an excellent character in the commu2i-
ty, been well known and respected sn el-
derby man and has fine family, and, other
connections, who must pe overwhelmed with
grief at this unfortunate OCCUR ence. We hops
he may be able to do as he p romises Ito clea,
himself from all suspicion. This is the, frs
case of the kind which las ever taken plac'
in the St. Paul Post off &c. 81
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
The Rock Island Bridge.

The Burlington Qowa) Haackeve says -
81 udge Hall, at the recent Oskaloosa Conven
zion, said in substance, that in all human pro-
liability the bridge would have to come down.
Suits had been commenced against it in which
damages to very large amount were claimed
and proven-that the District Court had
granted an injunction restraining the Compa-
ny from making repairs, and upon the hear
ing of the main question, -uion liz merits, he
had no doubt the bridge would He aectarcai &
serious obstruction 10 nay igat.on ana aoa1ed
as nuisance, -..-...-.... 1922 .. .
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19


The ST.. ANDREWS SocIETY.-This Society
organised on Thursday evening the 10th inst,
in the Office Of Alex. Buchanan, Esq. The
following officers were elected l.: ~ s.s w.
Resident-Alex Buchanan.
Vice President-Lewis Greigg. ~
Managers-Wm. H. Forbes, g. A. Mcleod,
James Napier and Chas. Greigg. = a.
Physician-Dr. j. II. Stewart.
1reasurer-Col. D. A. Robertson.
Sscretary-Col. w. Crooks.
Cor. Secretary-Jas. H. Murray. .,
Auditors Of accounts Robert Eckford,
JAS. Craig and VIM. NJ. Buchanan.
The Constitution before mentioned was adj
opted, and about twenty five Signatures pla-
ced to it by the gentlemen present.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

We,A number OF men are now engaged
upon the Winans' steamer, preparatory to her
trip to Norfolk. After mature deliberation it
has been decided to add twenty-eight feet to
her length fourteen feet on cacn siue vi he
water-wheel. The object is to increase the
speed of the boat Exchange. Iia
The Milwaukee Democrat says: When
the trial trip Of this steamer was made, we are
told that it was perfectly satisfactory. Her
projectors are endeavoring to tinker up a sat-
isfactory result which we have no idea they
will ever realize" ar r.'t ac1.-
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

A ROW, fight, and q runaway took place
on jackson street on Wednesday night. A
couple Of gents and ladies were returning from
party late at night, when a dispute arose be-
tween the former and the driver, in regard to
the fare. A row ensued, and while they We're
fighting it out, the horses ran away with the
ladies, and came near killing them. A pretty
chapter altogether; "s .S.a-.. 80
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

Douglas "Backed DOWn.0 =
The Washington correspondent Of the Chi
cago journal remarks: .-s
The sentiment here is very strong that
douglas odeked doson in the Fitch affair. He
has CARDS out for party this evening, but in
spite OF all these humbugs and shows, sDue."
Will "su6sads" before the Charleston conyen-
ton. BE is nearly "played OUT ..
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
Completion of an Important Rail-
road. D..

f
1t is announced from st. Joseph, on the
Upper Missouri, that the Hannibal & St.
Joseph Railroad, which connects with the
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad, at
Hannibal, on the opposite side of the Missis-
sippi river from Quincy, will be completed
ready for the running of trains over its entire
length, next week. This will bring Kansas
and the Upper Missouri country in direct con-
nection with Chicago.
Grand preparations are being made by, the
people of St. Joseph and Hannibal and the
intervening points, to appropriately celebrate
the occasion of running the first train over
the road. The 22d inst is spoken of as the
probable day for the celebration.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

- s'MnEr ME- BY @MooNLlaHT ALONE.n'--The
bridge, which is one of the prominent "insti-
tutions" of the City already, bids fair to be-
come favorite place for 'lovyers' to prome-
made by moonlight, and indeed, these bright
nights are inaugurating the custom already.
When the bridge is completed, the revenue
on moonlight nights will doubtless be quite
large. 1t will be the scene of romantic court
ship-of tender avowals of passion-of bash
full proposals-of joyful acceptances-or else,
perchance, of cruel rejections-and then
there will be fine chance for a 'lover's leap"
suicide from unrequited passion right before
the heartless fair ones eyes, to be reported in
the next mornings papers. 49, 70 =
But, fifty years from now, when the col
umns of the M1NNEsorrAN chronicle many
"golden weddings" celebrated among the old
families Of st. Paul, will not thoughts revert
back to ''the bridge" as the scene Of many a
courtship, and popping the question ~ '4''
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

PREPARATIONS FOR BU1LDING.-The warm
weather of the last few days has given the
building interest new impetus. Prepara-
tons are being made in all parts of the city for
erecting buildings, most of which are to be fine
and costly ones. Next season viii un doubted
ly exhibit greater activity in the building trad
than last, and quicken many other branches
of business. The weather will now very soon
permit of stone and brick work being carried
on, while lumber yards are even already be-
ginning to wake from their winters lethargy.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

E Bird B. Chapman, who has just been
awarded seat in Congress as the delegate
from Nebraska, is the original Chapman who
was importuned to "crow" in the contest Of
1910. The injunction was: "Crow, Chap.
man, crow"
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

AN OLD ST.. PAuL1TE IN TRoUBLE.-It is
said that the person named Tuttle, who shot .
man in a drunken row at house Of ill-faue in
the suburbs of Leavenworth, K. t., and who
is to be hung therefor, was until abouta year
since resident of St. Paul, or vicinity, and is
well known here. -..
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

HA gold watch and chain was presented
to Frank Leslie at the Metropolitan, New
York, on Tuesday, Gin behalf Of the mothers
and children of New York" for his fearless
action on the milk question.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

az The Prescott (Wis.) Transcript pays
us the following conn ,liment: e.. .
"The St. Paul MN sEsor1AN is one of tire best
daily papers that com es to our table. DR.. Foster
is fearless, indeper ,dent editor and is quite as
apt to be right - ed .tors in general"
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
Damon and p, thias Outdone.

After the following we snail not bssurprised
at any time to hear of man imsuring his life
for the benefit of friend, and then commit.
u. ss.a.,, ss.. e. ia ssrcca 70 resiza
the funds:
''GFa LOUISVILLE, Feb. s. y
j McCroci,iin killed j. d. Beard, in Spen-
Ger county, on Thursday. One thousand dol
lars reward was offered, but was withdrawn,
because it was supposed the murderer would
surrender to friend to enable the latter to
get the reward. III
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
ID I e D..

On February 7th, Miss IBBE A. LArrA, daughter
of B. A. LArrA, aged Is years and 10 months.
The subject of the above paragraph, after pro-
tracted illness of several months, which she bore
with Christian fortitude, has been called to her
last home, leaving large circle of relatives and
friends to mourn her early death. But why should
we mourn? "Our loss is her gain" Her mild
ess of manner, patient endurance, and child-llke
simplicity, assures us that " of such is the King
dom of Heaven A. G. WHITE.
AtKaposia, on Monday, the 18th inst, STELLA
ANNA, eldest daughter of A. E. and H. NJ. MEssEN-
GER aged four years. four months, and fifteen days.
The friends of the family are invited to attend
the funeral service at the residence of the parents
on Sunday next, at o'clock, P. NJ.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

The PIONEER GUARDS UNIFoRM.-The uni
forms of the Pioneer Guards were received
yesterday. They are certainly brilliant, and
will make that fine military corps look doubly
well on their grand parade. We will give a
fuller description after that event. They are
corps of the State, and everybody is going to
their ball on the 22d .
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

Our FIRE DEPARTMENT.-Our Fire Depart
ment have elected praise from even the most
faultfnding, for their gallant action at the
late fire. All that is wanted now is water,
and no large fire can take place in our city.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19
LOUISVILLE. Feb. s.

~ Col. L. Il. Richard, of Dubuque, it is
said, has been offered the Secretaryship Of
Kansas Territory. ~ "a = :
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

The MILlTARY-The Pioneer Guards are
sparing no expense or trouble in making pre-
parations for their grand Ball on the Odd
The prominent officers of the military estab-
ishment of Minnesota from various parts of
the State will be on hand in full uniform,
which will render the ball room brilliant
scene. '.+h H. a--- ss -. ..--.. ..-.,g o..
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

The PRINTERS SLEIGH R1DE.-We copy
the following from the St. Anthony Neacs, of
the 10Th, with the hope that the Graft of that
City may pay us similar visit this winter:
The Craft ON Runners.-The Typos Of the
Minnesotasn Office, to the number Of twenty
or more, had a jolly ride in an eight-horse
sleigh, on Saturday afternoon last, from St.
Paul to this city, making "the drive" via the
Fort, MINI e-ha-ha, Minneapolis, &c. Whit
ney, Of St. Paul, took photograph of the
whole gronr at the Fells. Thev suppeda at the
Winslow House, returning home in the eve
ming. They are the cleverest of merry fel.
lows, and when we saw them, they were hav-
ing, in quiet way, 'high old time" We
thank them for saluting the Ne,os Office as they
passed, and respond by expressing the hope
we feel, that in industry and intelligence, in
integrity, social cordially and good will, in
Temperance and all moral virtues, they may
ever be worthy of the Graft whichis illumina-
ted with the name and fame of Franklin.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

= E No ranking privilege exists in Eng
iand. Even the Queen has to pay postage.
Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1859-02-19

A NEW FIRE ON THE OLD SPOT.-1 eSCer-
day morning at little after midnight, fire
broke out in the frame building occupied by
j. v. Vonck as an Upholstery Store, and by
Miss Kramer as Millinery establishment,
&C., situated on Third Street, near the corner
of Market, and on the site of the destructive
fire about Is months since. The building
was consumed in a short time, and the ad-
joining one, occupied by Scllaeger & Borst as
Leather Store, and by j. S. Dennison as a
Furniture Store, was also injured. The build
ing on the other side, occupied by Williams &
Sons as Paint and Color Shop, was unin-
jured, or nearly so. -.-...
The wind was blowing perfect gale at the
time and it was only by the exertions of the
Fire Department and the citizens, aided by a
fortunate Providence, that more property was
not destroyed. Hope Engine Company No.
1, whose house is near by, was early on the
ground, and fortunately finding supply Of
water, their machine" did good service in
checking the spread of the fire. The Pioneer
Hook and Ladder Company were also ION
hand" as they always are, and aided in saw
ing the property exposed in their usual eff
Gent manner. Minne-ha-ha Engine Company
No. 2, and Independent No. 1, were also
'thar," but not getting any water, pitched in
and assisted the "cooks in the Kitchen gen.
orally, in their usual gallant style.
The fire is supposed to have originated
from defective chimney or some such cause,
but of this we are unable to speak positively.
These buildings were nearly new, and were
all occupied. Mr.. j. V. Fonck lived in the
upper story of his store, and was barely able
to escape in time to save life, let alone wear
ing apparel or household effects. Some of his
material and goods were saved however. A
little shoe makers store was in one part of the
building-we could not learn the occupants
name. S. X. Putnam & Co., Grocers on the
corner, and j. S. Dennison, Furniture Deal
er, suffered principally from handling of the
goods.
Below we give, as well as we have been
able to ascertain them, the items of loss, and
the names and amount of insurance.
S. K. Putnam, Observation-Disclosures loss
by removal of stock of groceries. Covered
by insurance in Phoenix, Merchants and At
lantic companies.
j. S. Dennison, Furniture Dealer. Loss
unknown yet Stock and building insured.
Schlaeger & Borst, Leather Dealers. Loss
trifing. No insurance. ,. ...
Miss Kramer, Milliner Store. Loss about
$1,000. Insured for 5000. Some of the
stock saved.
j. V. Vonck, Upholsterer. Loss about
$4,000 in building and material, and manufac
tured stuff. Insured for $500 in severa
companies. Some stock saved.
Some of these sufferers are doubly unft,r
tunate. S. K Putnam has suffered three
| times from fire on the same corner. j. S
Dennison was once before burnt out; aEst
Miss Kramer, and Mr.. Vonck.