The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-05-03
THE WAR QUESTION.
MORE OF THE DEBATE IN THE BRITISH
PARLIAMENT

MORE OF THE DEBATE IN THE BRITISH
PARLIAMENT.
DUNCoMBE
Mr. r puCDMBE that Two months ago the state OF
NAVY was brought under the consideration OF abe House. and
hey we're i'd that France and Austria about
euocsae Rome The noble lord q. RusselD congratulated
ne House and the country ne probability Of this
9Ae House, ho,oerer, gagged on that occdssoa and
things co1nsng 10 CRISIS 1t vas quite time they
should criss for the state OF Italy dis.
uace centineotal Europe. dc wanted W know what
hope there for Italy from the speech Of the right
honorable gentleman rhey told that there 10
be Congress- Sardinia claimed place that Co lgress
md why did she claim it9 The right honorable gentle
had not told them those reasons aud he sad that
Mai House. speaking the part Of the people OF Eng
hnd did say tina. Sardinia was entitled 70 place in
the Congress would dsappoin the people Of this
Try. (Hssr, hear In letter 70 the British government
Uount Cavour long ago gave for wishing
Sardinia should be represented in the Congress-
Cabinet Of Turin believes q. tn: time that Pied
snded that ia nervenon useful say india
sn se vhcs he G s
nal of e Peninsula think shat they can reoder prevalent
snS nature to calm The bubble mind sardinia
ssSa. % Be decided dear, hearJ ''' '-'' =
ssardna enjoys the confidence Of the unhappy popula
tns whose fate about TO be decided and yet the five
great Powers the exercise Of tyrannca act that
SARDINIA should not appear plead Of Italy
Sore the Congress. (Hear hear The British government
h. said would disgrace itself unless insisted on Sar
dknia having seat, and Sardinia quite right not
% dearm unless she had seat in the Congress.
FOR the five great Powers TO make her dtsarm and
no4 give her q eeat would be the greatest act
n oppression and tyranny which had ever been
mtted. Hear hear) He did not know what view the
view which he had stated certainly consistent with
former expressions OF the noble lord. Hear. }
Tho state OF Italy was disgrace 70 civilized Europe lie
believed that nothing short OF the independence and unity
q Italy would before long satisfy Italy. (Hear, hear
Austria the OF Italy. She had been for
lGnG time and believed that the British government
soee playing iHao the hands Of Aubid They must get
nd 0 Austria altogether from Italy before they could
sre She peace of Italy They might stave 1t oil by tins
GrnaU pgn prbi butt hav
would never promote peace and happiness in
naly 30 lorg ~ ausira dare set foot in
need not 60 TO She need only her moral
Influence and say 70 Ausrt, The manner in which you
have governed and 90 govern the Italian people dis
grace 10 you Give them constitution IL it rs your de-
termination remain, bus IL is much better for you TO
their own differences. Hear, hear He believed it
would be wise TO give that advice but the government
wont in the half and half way they were doing
Inevitable aud that would be the consequence OF the policy
which the government pursuing. (Hear, hear) He
did think that the noble lord the member for Tverton
had spoken out in the manner which the people OK this
eOuptfy would expec; be should on this occasion He
hoped 10 hear the noble lord the member for the city of
london say something this subject dear, hear He
bad not intended 70 rise al The moment when he did but
he should have been sorry 70 the discussion close
without raising his and expressing his opinion in
favor OF much liberal policy ilan her Majesys
government seemed inclined pursnc towards the unhap
y people Of Italy (Checrs)
SPEECH OF Mr. GLADSTONE.
Mr.. GLADSTONE sa,d--I Cannot help expressing my
Rret thai the honorable gentleman the member for Fns
bury, as am afraid the event will prove, should have
Widened the field Of ths discussion loud cheers) He
~ complained Of the made by the noble
count the member for Tverson, but 50 far as it appears
70 the great merit 0; those remarks lies 10 the
whatever could tend to irrelevant, and
the sTic. adherence TO the Immediate matter in debate
(Cheers) am sure the honorable member for Finsbury
Whose good will towards the suffering people of italy
be tousted hardly be of opinion that he
tributes eats actory solution OF the existing Difficult
ties by urging this 6ouse upon the government that
remedy be efectuai short Of the expulsion Of
Austria from Italy, and great alteration in the treaties
oompanhg that the policy Of her haestys government is
not adapted to promote the general interests of Europe
:ns Of R.sss asar nsss2 win respect
the very last thing should think wise TO doto assume
that that policy has taken wrong direction until am
thai such is the case. (Cheers) should think
inurng the very Cause might desire to serve by
complaining and adopting tone Of accusation. (Hcar,
hear) But do venture TO make one remark on the ex
pressions which fell from the right honorable gentleman
The Chancellor of the Exchequer. know well that he
speaks, as all speak on question OF this kind under
observations which the right honora-
bic gentleman made, with regard TO which am unwl
ling TO put construction which confess they appear
bear. he must aware that even very light words
need by him on occasion OF this kind will be rigidy
sense which they severay wish to afx TO them. In
portion of his speech the right honorable gentleman stated
Ekat tie conduct Of Austria throughout these complications
had been marked heard Alright, by tone and spirit of
digniGed Cancellation. In another part Of his speech the
sgkt honorable gentleman stated that the conduct Of Sdrdi-
ssa presented many things Which embarrassing per.
plering, and ambiguous must say that if we are to
infer the temper the two governments from the rigid
construction Of those expressions and putting them,
perhaps stronger sense than they Themselves wear,
may be inclined to come TO one Of two conclusions
oee Mat there is unknown much mertOri0us conduct
On part of Austria, and much questionable conduct
ON 1te part Of Sardinia else Tat the spirit Of her
Majesty's government is not g entire partially.
IHear hea do not adopt that conclusion, and there
lore am sure my right honorable friend will excuse my
calling his attention TO what seems 10 me the natural bear
ing Of what he uttered. bound say, far the
fActs Of the case known TO the public, can see
\
zhe Chancellor Of the Exchequer has given
q the conduct Of the Cabinet or VIENNA which IL ia
specimen Of that conduct hardly 70 me 10 Justify
The description or dgnined Cancellation, because says
was the proposal Of the Cabinet OF Vienna that while
Tho great Powers Europe met in Congress- in which Con
gress Sardinia not TO have place France and England
were 70 insist that Sardinia, and Sardinia Alone as oond
coed 70 disarm Cheers only say that gee no dig.
nied Cancellation In making such proposition, must
merely concession 10 the obvious demands OF decency
propriety and necessity. Cheers) On the other
hand, with regard TO the conduct Of Sardinia, it is
NOT easy TO find In the statement Of the right honora-
bic gentleman any support for the somewhat &C.
csatory expression which he has used because he has
fold nothing excepting that Sardinia has demanded
nom the condition OF dsarming. As respects the ques
on OF place in the Congress for Sardinia fully grant
mai question surrounded with the gravest and most
serious difficulties She has much 10 urge, has been
said by my noble 'iend opposite 0rd Pamerstonl for
the purpose Of showing why she should be admit
there but the other hand one cannot deny that he
Congress TO occupy itself likely be the case
with the internal affairs OF other States of Italy, you
would draw distinction unfavorabe and nequitable az
respects them you TO grant TO Sardinia place
which they are not entitled TO take. Giear, hear.)
frankly own that 40 not see any objection 70 the alter
native propozed by the noble vsoouni Granted that the
difficulties To concedng place the Congress 70 sardinia
be too great But Sardinia is not to have place in
the Congress- then why necessary call on her 70 d,
axmS (Hear hcar) It ia not altogether aquestion Of alb
stssct right 1t 10 not merely question whether you will
enforce this disarmng Sardinia. The questions are
theee-W there be any danger 10 the peace Of Europe
Sardinia docs not dsarm before the Congress meets
or 10 be supposed that any danger 10 that peace
arise from her soe and unsupported acton9 That
question which appears 10 scarcely 70 require
swey. Is not " be supposed that any man intrus,ed