The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-12-09

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tans to relieve this country Of this negro population and
Of al The slaves that shall be voluntarily emanoipated BY
r'rntng ,hsm u some contiguous country this hope
thas WI become The policy Of the republican par
~. hope We may Join hands with The South,
and instead q approaching each other, instead
dnecnt sections cf the Union we may o"me sorsshst
~ our ahe stood together shoulder 10 shoulder 70 es
ans'sh oGs Independence, that We may together
eventually rid us Of this institution Of slavery.
The only enc that threatens permanent prosperity
Mr. SALISBURY (dem OF Del, inquired II the consutu-
ton gave power 70 establish slavery there
Mr. iRuhHuL replied II was constitution OF freedom
ana not slavery, the word slave don't occur In IT,
Mr. fUix (dem }, Of Fla, stated that appeared then
that the whole object Of the republican party was 70 ex
cnde slavery from the Territories nc desired 10 know
Columbia ali the forts and sssenas which were und
the Jurisdiction Of the federal government How was i
In the new States Of the UnionS For logical sequence
hs argument would bc that slaves illegally held
IN louisiana and Missouri. and every other new State
he wanted light on these matters, for was serious
me seeds Of revolution thai platform on which il u
impossible for the country 70 stand The Trojan horss
has been introduced. out q which will issue armed
N.Y. TRUxHUM though! the gentlemen entirely mistaken
as 70 the principles and views Of the republicans He
would endeavor 70 enIshten them In calm and candid
manner. He did not like to hear them use the word
South IN this matter. No than twentieth Of he
people ofthe South Shareholders and that class should
exclusion Of slavery from the Territories operates al
alike. Northern men win have no right 10 carry
slaves there than Southern men, Tho republican party
bad its origin In the question OF slavery In The Tcrtorea
This territorial question not settled and the demo-
cratic party unsettled II. He went % 70 allsde
Mr. YuIln said The republican name having been CON.
secrated BY the fathers OF the country secoua party
bad not the right 70 appropriate i without some quanca-
ton He would not call them "black" but would leave
il to themselves To supply the designation.
Mr. HuhgUn replied they call themselves republicans
because they advocate the principles Of jefferson II his
party had made any departure from those principles
he would condemn such departure Tho fathers Of the
old republican party wore their models, from
their platform to which the Senator from Florida object
ed, were written by the hand Of Jefferson.
Mr. YuIhE-To create and not destroy free government
ment by maintaining the principles we advocate. The
other party call themselves democrats when their egs
acu is all shaped for the interests Of the slavehoding
arsocracy comprising only out Of sixty OF the nha
bitans Of the United states
Mr.. Clay, (dcm) Of Aa-Do you recognise the right to
reclaim fugiiiye slaves IN the 1erritoricss
MI. TKuMBuIL-I do under the of Congress- but not
under the Fugitive Slave law, unless h applicable
Mr.. CrAY-How DO you reconcile the obligation in your
platform to give all freedom with the counerv aing
right 10 reclaim fugitive sav,sf
Mr.. TRCMBrII-That Obligation is merely repetition of
The doctrine ,nuncated in the Declaration Of Indepen
Our fathers did not undertake carry their
principles perfectly every government an encroach
inert more or less upon the natural rights Of They
we're who had fed from the despotism OF the old
verdi and cnunciaied the general primer of carrying
them out as far as circumstances permitted.
Mr.. CiAr-kxplan bow you can reconcile consistent
ZION OF Independence aud the federal constitution then
heoipg them as slases retaining them slaves and dis
ibutng them By their last will and testament among
their descendants, with the declaration that all men are
entitled TO life and liberty.
Nr. TRrsnrII-Under the circu instances they did not
rcgsrd il as n crync TO hold slaves.
mir. CIAy--art ihere any circum ances under which
'ci inc car bc Justified excused or tolerated.
Mr. TRvMBlilf don't cali il a in the citizens of
be South Ia hold slaves
Nr. Cr.y-is poygamy crmes Your platform classes
slavery aud pot fsmy together,
Mr.. TRUMBr LII is crime under some circumstances
take 1t that is Lot a crime in Turkey.
Mr.. Gay Qnierrup'ine)-I thank You for that con
{, ssiun 10 this Christian country.
hr. TRrMBr live regard 1t Crime but other ma.
ofs don't regard 1t So don't rAgarc holding slaves as
CRIME, they are often held in TIE Southcrn States
mink ii is b wrong, bun it is LITTER to endure wrong
han undertake 10 right it by gya,er crime greater
MIR. c,Ar-rhen understysS him hat right and wrong
moral sentimeDtSts !Sycietyy
Mr.. TRunsrII-sot entrely, although many things are
we speak Of crimewe mean violation Of The laws Of The
land There were DO laws against polyRamy Turkey,
or sgains, slavery In he South This thing OF holding
persOns In slavery depends the circumstances OF the
people whD have Shaver hold evil, but in my
Judgment II is not crime in every instance. have
never eoseearded ~ DO not believe slavery illegal in
Mr.. PucH (dem J, Of Ohio asked If he spoke for his
party or for btnseH alone.
the principles Of the republican party understood by
the people Of the Northwest, who are conservative
Mr. PuGB asked IL Mr.. Chase Of Ohio was an exponent
of the principles Of the republican parfyS
Mr. TKuMBCIL replied that the platform was the only
authorized source whence to derive their principles
There might be much difference between the sentiments
Of different republicans on some points, bet Mr.
fueb ard the rest Of the party the question
of squaer sovereignty although he did not think there
This the creed of thirteen hundred thousand
men, and doubt difference existed in their OPT
niops certain points. He maintained that nei-
ther Congress nor the Territorial Legislature had
power to create slavery in Territory and took strong
ground IN favor Of coonzng under the fostering care Of
the government the free coored population Of the United
States and those who may hereafter become free by the
voluntary acts Of States individuals some place or
territory not too remote until they shall become enabled
10 form government for themselves. He expressed the
wish that this should become the settled policy Of the re-
publican party. He read from the writings OF Jefferson
and speech of Henry Clay bearing on that subject
Mr. IAvw (dem) Of Miss, referred to the fact that Mr.
Itumbul had not only introduced amendment to en-
nafr8ss the resolution bit made long speech the
general subject OF slavery at the time when the mpor-
Of speedy action apparent to everybody Mr.
bnmpni complains that the President aid not send the
Information be wanted. but why did he not call for
aeains 1t is not true that large number Of were
taken at Liberty or that large number of them were
sept Only enough taken arm about one hundred
men, ard three light pieces OF field artillery They were
set lept two weeks and when they returned the
Ntoe amount q expenses for repairs and losses only
s5ep This the trans action hello parallel 10 the
recent foray into The State Of Virginia The Senator
mad said lives lost in consequence OF
taking the arsens at Liberty than at Harpers Ferry He
I'D not know as these arms were used The depart
nlent bad no information that they They we're
aiken for the purpose OF preserving order and harm no
Neither had any one engaged in that transaction
been rewarotd with federal office on account of the
part he took therein 1t was becoming in the Governor
PeiBsrvana 10 cer assistance to the Governor of vr
pinia, and equally becoming in Mr. Wise to decline IT,
Mr.. MASON (dem Of Va There offer made,
ipd OF course II could not have been declined.
= MIR. nAvls-1 saw il so stated in the newspapers
Mr.. BIoTER (dem Of Pa said Governor Wise addressed
lie Governor Of Pennsylvania the subject but the let
ter wos not received III time for prompt reply. That
reply all that could be desired by Virginia show
g that counenance would be given by Pennsy
20 any oschmcnts 90 the rights of sister State.
Mr. Mason stated that Governor Wises letter the Co.
verucrs OF Ohio and Pennsylvania called for aid what
but mentioned that he had information that comb-
ors OF armcc forming 10 those States for the
po.e Of making ircursiops into Virginia. either
Brown or 10 secure hostages in bis place Whether
Ihosc combinations really formed not, Mr.. Mason
dld tot know.
Mr.. DAVIS could see nothing humatipg in the Governor
NJ Virginia calling the Governors Of Ohio Pennsyl-
take carr OF lawess min their limits He
beeved that conspiracy had been formed, extending
not opy through the United States but England Money
lad been contributed and military leader sent
aore fiom England 70 take command The insur-
secttp was foretod in England long before it oc-
cured here. Forbes received bis first funds in Eng
lard and expected further aid here hut when II not
orthcfnipg he denounced his associates The obi
in tbo rbrlo slo GcA