The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-11-16
NOVEMBER Is, Is59.-TRIPLB SHEET.


~ tho cniress funstoDars IN explaining and urgius
sT We've, af these show CLEARLY nature "
tbs ser m"ny used ~ the 0hinese tourt.
Ls SihsiLt tsumat'cD IN which the rmoeror regarded
snhfdy rid On equal batj0n IKE Tho United bistcs
wlte eh'e masf,raie was 10 every rssH q equal 70
mfsh, W. m tributary Da'ons like eAm, Cosea, Lew
arg He smetimes styled the President IA b wsngn,
~ GIeat Emperor, and sometimes President, Ia word
~hrn De has kafDed) and occasionally kiunchn,
~ prmeey ruler, 10 prove his repc TOR him Such
being The r'laiMns between the two countias, The
koIan or regular fom Of obesance required Of ENJOYS
nom these ha'ions, l. o., san kweikiu-noh, "throe
hnsslngs aLd nine Knocks woold not be- expected;
'nr' saId N Judge, zone kneeiing three knocks
WI 90 Tor a-hSndy Po-er" This remark
iaks D up oy HE Commissioners, the ceremony
even N tbis nRgato form again rcerre, TO- SO that
cshno oe ai that the ko tan IN any shape demand
60 ~ ~, ware ., The Chinese as preliminary 70 his au-
THE AMERICAN MINISTER REFUSES TO XNEEL TO TIE
EMPEROR
40 's MT. Ward replied, thai whilc he entertained tho
EesesttI"ctIW bs Majesty, and IN that only fet what
he Peso. VI bnsef had expressed the bitter Of which
be vat HE btarer be wished 70 declare In the planest
tt ns that highly as be would regard audience,
important as be deemed il under tho present
circumstances, ETH he had never asked It, and The
G.sy ssld bo'hng about i, but be would not kneei
when be came before the throne he could only salute
hm Majesty as be old his own rur and as MINISTER'S Of
The United States did the sovereens Of all other
uhen they saw them. He knelt only as an act OF wor
ship before God would never do so before any man
Jhcy were suh cts Of the Emperor, and obey his
rnua but he represented patton whose dignity e could
true refpect must always proceed the heart and II
the outward ceremony was not voluntary hypocr
~ ne would bow very low, and even nine times II that
would add 10 the solemny in their view: or he would
eisDd uncovered during the whole audience while the
Emperor got More than this he would willingly
perform, while this form OF salutation exhibited all the
respect he et TO wards the President which they must
tb msevee acknowledge vas quite great he could
feel towards the Emperor OF China.
The Commissioners answered that II they were
III the United states they would conform to any
quire made Of them at audience with the Pres
dent, and that the American Minister ought the
principle In their country that they could NO, show re-
spect 10 their sovereign otherwise than by kneeng for
nythDe short Of that was absolutely nothing in their
nnlahon, and would be deemed py the Emperor. He
would regard II ss an indgny for MDster from a
hndy haton 10 come to his capial and refuse 10
him, when he required much Of him than be did Of
bis courtes besides which, President would not
be Offended with him for showing proper respect 10
envoy. In some European courts even in the English,
persons kDelt before the sovereign when
and II Is more derogaory do 20 here than there
They did not hesitate 10 say that they regarded the hon.
age paid 10 their monarch as OF the given
eods and would even burn incense - the President
We'll make the ko tau To hum, II required at Washing
ton, in order TO manifest entire respect You pie
nipoteb'iary,' said Hwasbana, turning 70 Mr. Ward,
" and certainly have full powers 10 do such actn
II notinvesiea with powers sufficient enable me to
change the laws usages OF my country and cannot d.
anything TO degrade Il, was Mr.. Wards reply.
TIE POINT OF ETIQUETTE NOT TO BE OVERCOME
lie Chinese Commissioners obliged 90 l2mies
bis Majesty, who passing the ht weather there and
reply expected from them III the 4th but the next
morning the judge, with countenance anything but JOY
fui, unexpectedly appeared He had me from The
er palace, where he tho Commissioners had been all
night with plan which be thought would succeed This
iha, they should address Mr. Ward letter. stating
that the Emperor intended 10 honor him with audience
To receive tho Presidents letter; he should
then reply that he was wiling, If granted the
honor " make his respects 10 his Majesty In the
same manner that be would before tho President
neither diminishing adding thereto. There was, OF
no objection 10 this procedsre and the drafts Of
both documents were made outs and the Judge took
copies away with him. The detail Of the expedicDt
be observed also explained. which was, when
the Minister the THRONE the table on which
the Presidents letter be placed standing between
The two he should bow low he had represented and
then two chsmberlans would and raise him up
With the exclamation, "Don't kneeil' He would then
present tho letter by placing IL the table from whence
II would DO taken by another chamberlain who, on his
knees, would hand IL TO the Emperor
The Judge went away with happier vsage than he
came and the next despatch from Kweliang looked
for with impotence Instead Of the expected document
seh himself returned next morning TO tell us that
the Commissioners had been outvoted; aud his
Nsjssiy's decision was TINT unless tho American
Minister would either touch knee his fingers 70 the
ground, be would not him. While this concession
was re!ueed, being much than Ameri ,an re-
preventative performed before his own or any other
ruler, declared that in this persistence
own utagee there dereapect intended to the En-
Seror who must Of course be the final Judge q whs. he
deemed sutaD 10 his own dignity The question OF
audience WAS thus settled far as the American
bassy was interested, after i've days discussion
use OF nothing but fair argument They never even
alluded 70 the helpless position Of twenty foreigners
reason Tor tne1r complying with ceremony which seemed
TO them doubtless the extreme OF hberRlty II is i'm
possible 10 decide the question satisfactorily but the
pal obstacle to the audience 10 have the con
victicn the minds OF the Chinese that Ward would
not do what really done at European courts and
what they declared the English Minister had pro
missed last year he would do, viz, perform the eamo
before the Emperor which be would before the
Queen. The Judge remarked that he was certain
that the Ministers had come TO an understanding at Ten
sin last year respecting the proper ceremony au
dcnce but he assured that Mr. Reed never come
% an aereemen. on the subject with anybody is unfair
10 the Chinese In reporting this discussion take up the
idea that they were insDcere or dogmatc in all their
serone and bad scruple what they said for their
position erroneous ideas might easily be firmly believed
and II was known to that Lord Amherst did agree to
knee before the Emperor he did before his King but
neither We nor the Chinese alluded to that embassy.
RATIFICATI0Ns EXCHANGED.
The next day Cruesday) courteous response rs re-
ceved including the imperial rescrpt, ordering Kweil
lang and Hwnshann 70 apply the great seal TO the Treaty
N Ten isn and then receive tho letter from the Presi
dent for uanrmissson to the Emperor. Hangfuh the
Governor General Of Chill designated exchange
the Publications OF the treaty al Pehtang.
The troublesome points were arranged, and We'd
besday fixed by Kweiisng for receiving President
BuchaI an's letter II was taken by him with much re-
Fpec lifting the box above his eyes he delivered IL 10
attendant and gave orders for guard Of honor 10 be
placed over II An entertainment served 10 a style
which would have done honor Soyer himself and
The Prime Minister appeared he han ueua,ly done
turing the interview that his functions Imperial Com
missioner and those Of his colleague Hwashana would
cease, and they would their seal Of that
flee 70 his Majesty 1t s impossible not to feel high
,eRree Of respect for Ike Kweiang, although ho
nay have the vices and failngs Of Pagan only from
Ills high political position as the first statesman IN the
iipgoom, but from his venerable age and Ne unaffected
,rbani.y and kindness Of his demcanor.
OUR WAR WITH ENGLAND.