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gloomy thoughts the slaves mind may brood, we
are 90, TO carry dsqrist to him from without
BROWN --TiutL and error intermnged

BROWN II ut and error intermingled.
BErcnRR Before this time comes, any tempt to ex
cite discomfort among the slaves will " mischief to
them, and not good And my experen and ! have
bad some experience in this matter-i that men who
samper with slaves and incile them themselves u
be trusted. They not honest mea Mess they are
fana'ical II they have their ~ y usually have
lost their conscience | never will tru such men with
money place any confidence In tn whatsoever.
do not know why is so, but my expe has taught
me that men who do such things ATTY, and come
forth from such tnmperng unreliable Conspirators,
the world over, are bad men.
BRowN-An Utterly false assumption applied to this
REEc1IfR IL ] were in the Southland think !
have the reputation there Of BEN toeraby stout abo-
l,onsi-l should not from fear OF the master, but from
the most deliberate of toe injurious effects OF II to
the sve by word nor sign nor act, do anything
20 excite cisconent among those who are in slavery.
The condition OF the slave be changed, hut the
change so part of the community alone
BROWN oastul and false institution as applied
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BhKciixR.-Emancpatop when It comes, will come
either by revolution or by change Of public opinion in
the whole community.
BROWN Truth
South, body by any individual organized plans to
carry them of, or To nctc them TO abscond
Baows-Is very wise. A great may be mistaken
BxEcnR. Nay, ii he has escaped and comes to me
owe him shelter, succor, deepce, and God speed to
final safety. II there many laws Us there arr
lines IN the Fugitive Slave law, and many officers
there lions in Daniels liens den, would disregard
every law but Gods help the fugitive The officer.
might catch me, but not him, If could help It, mar
whose heart has inspired liberty and courage suf
fcieni TO enable him to achieve what hs desired shall
come TO my door and not be made welcome
my own child. will aGopt him for Gods sake and for
the sake Of Christ who broods over the weak aud perish
ing Nor am singular in such feelings aud purposes
BRowS-Mcst be very brave man. Must be very
good man too. Glad 10 know it
BfEcriER - do not believe we have right to carry
into the ~ slavery exterior discomfort; and for this
reason, that II nogcol fer tue slaves themselves 1t is
shorseLted humanity al BEST aud poor policy Tor both
the blocks and The rltes Aud say again. would not
trust man that would do il.
Brown another vile assum.ien.
BEEcnFR.-st less would tolerate anything like In
surecton and sci vile Ii would be the mos. cruel
hopeless and desperate of al conceivable foes seek
emancipation by The sword aud by blood And though
love Liberty my life: though long for i, in every
human being; though, IL Cod by unequvoca provi
deuces should ordain that should again as Of old
through terrible plaques on The first born and by other
terrors Of III should submit TO the Divine behest; yet.
FAR human instrumental is concerned with all
the cunseiehc" Of man, with all the faith OF Christian
and with all the zeal and warmth Of phanhropst, |
protest against any cousels that lead 10 nsurreeon,
servile and bioodshed Ii Is bad for the mastesbai
for the svc-had for all that are neghbors to them
bad for The whole ant-bad from beginning TO end; an
evil so urnliuded and malignant, that its origin can
scarcely be doubted.
BRowS.-l never counf Fled 10 Instruction.
BYrtnfR.-But the use Of this right must conform to
reason and TO benefit The leaders Of people have
right whelm their helpless followers terrible
ater by meeting them to rebel, under circumstances that
afford the slightest hope that their rebellion Il
to the dignity Of a successful revolution
BROWN False assumpsons to this case.
BEEcHER If nations were all armed men it would be
different Soldiers can die. But a nation is made up OF
Other materials beside al med men is made M of wo
men, and children, and youth These to be consider
ed, not merely men of muscle, and knucsle and bone
Ard man that leads people has no right to incite that
peope 70 rise unless there IS reasonable prospect that
they will conquer.
BRowS-Truih.
RgEcFR Now f the Africans in aur land were intel
lgeph they understood themselves-if they had self.
governing power-f they able first throw or the
yoke OF laws and constitutions and afterwards to defend
and build themselves up in civil sa,eihen they would
have Just the right 10 their ilepen
that any nation has.
BROWN False theory intermixed
EcBsR-But does any rnsn believe tina. this Is the
case2 Does any man believe that this horde of
disciplined Areaus sci Free would have cohesive pow
er enough TO organize themselves into government aud
nein their Independence II there be who be-
slaves would be made UNNECESSARILY better by ber-
"; but do not believe they would be made better by
liberty gained by instruction rebellion regulated
liberty liberty possessed with the consent OF their
ters-a liberty under the laws and institutions of the
country-a liberty which should make them common be.
necries OF those ms, tuons and principles which
wise and bappy-such liberty wonId be great bless
ing TO them. Freedom, with law and government, is a
good but without, them it is mischief and any thing that
tends to iDcte among men vague insurrectionary spirit
Is a great and cruel wrong to them.
BRowS.-Not strictly true See Indians
BrTcggR III would bene the African at the South
must begin at home. This is to men the most
disagree part Of the doctrine Of emancipation.
very TO labor for the emancipation Of beings thou
sand miles OF but when it comes to the practical app
cation OF justice and humanity TO those about us is not
easy The truths of God respecting the rights and dig
mites of men just important TO free colored
to enslaved colored 1t strange for to
say that the lever with which lift the load of Georgia
is in New York. but is. do not believe the whole tree
North can tolerate grinding Injustice toward the poor,
ertpg influence unfavorable to justice and humanity
the South.
BRowS.-I willing to be weiged in an even balance
against Beecher this His remark here is, how
ever, true.
BEEcHER-No one can fail the inconsistency be-
tween treatment of those amongst us who are in
the lower walks OF life and professions of sympa by
pie treated at the North? They almost without educa-
ton, with but little sympathy for ignorance. They
refused the rights OF citizenship which the whites
enjoy They cannot even ride in the cars OF our city rail-
roads They snufed at in the house OF God toe-
rated with ill.dsgused disgust Can the black be
mason in New York? Let him be employed as ,urney-
man and every Irish lover OF liberty that carries the hod
trowe would leave at compel him to leave.
Can the black man be carpenter There is scarcely
carpenter shop in New York in which ourneyman would
continue to work If black noyed in it. Can
the black engage in the common industries Of life?
There is scarcely in which he engage. He is
crowded down, down, down, through the most mental
callngs the bottom of society We tax them then
refuse 10 allow their children 70 go to our public schools
We tax Them and then refuse to SIT by them in Gods
house. We heap upon them moral oboquy arocous
than that which the master heaps the slave And
notwithstanding all this, lift ourselves up talk to the
Southern people about the rights ana liberties OF the hu-
man SOUL and especially the African soul.
BRowS-These are truthful remarks, but never
applicable my God is my witness this point
BEycHER Whenever are prepared to show towards
the lowest the poorest and the most desped unaect
ed kindness, such led Christ though the lord Of glory
e. lay aside bis dgnites and take himself ho 0rm
servant and TO gnominious death, that IL nigh
rescue men from ignorance aud bondage henever
prepared to do such things these may be sure
that the example Of the North will not be unelt the
South Every effort that is made in Brooklyn establish
schools and churches for the free coored people, and
encourage them TO educate themselves and become indie
pendent, Is step towards emancipation in the South. The
degradation OF free coored in the North will fortlfy
slavery in the South.
BRowN--Truth
BExcHERWe must quicken all the springs OF feeling in
the free States in behalf of human liberty and create
public sentiment based upon truth and true manaool
for if act TO any good purpose the minds Of the
South must do through sautary and pure public
sentiment ir the North When we have corrected our
own practice and set example OF the right spirit u,
we shall have position from which to bene &c al
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