The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-07-18

appear for the time % have been losing game yss in A.
ter life, at my age or In any position, will spprovo
OF " ana say WAS 70 pc done over again nc Woaid Ao
In the same manner"
AxrrERsNus OPINIONS or THE HUNGARIAN REVOLUTION
HIS EsrMArK OF KossuTH, ETC
We spoke afterwards OF the Huogarians "Do you
know said the Prince what has happened 70 zschenyS
He has lost his senses. He liberal fundamentally
well disposeda sort Of Lafayette, and economist
had long conversation with him one day. ~ dear
but you are doing great deal Of harm The masri.
vantsses that you would procure for nure morally and
the moral evil win remain while the mssria advantages
gary mot ripe, and no country ever viii DO rpe for
the ideas you propagate. You will be sutstripped,
tanned by sttering their passions you viii lose in the
first attempt restrain them He did not listen 70 me,
and the mischief had foreseen happened in spite of all
the obstacles had thrown it's way About that time
Zechenyi became insane and necessary " condne
country aud what has been cone there At FIRST in
choy strain, with feeling Of gentle saduess then he be-
s o @ ne M s s
that spoke-hat he know we'll and that he lost be-
cause he did not listen to It, He tremoled ne sar,eksd,
he fosmed tho mouth he cndeavored 10 uict bodily
injury on himself and Others and at last was found
necessary 70 put on a strait waistcoat vas moarnfd
be always justified BY the very men VINO opposed M,
had similar conversation with Bat,hiany He was not
worthy OF pity He has done and hs wished 10 40, inn
li,eiy more harm than zechsnyi sent him word TO
come to my residence near Venna where spoke to him
al Ss ws
taking leave, you will perseveee your present evil
course. and iprsdix--' 'whats' rhas you will be
ssked the Prince what thought Of Kossuth aud be
answered in word, which did not indicate very high
opinion Of this demagogue, rather which placed hm
level with Batthiany. continued tns conversation:
1t seems to me-" said T. +" that he possesses on.
thusiasm."
"He ia rot even enthusiast replied the Prince
'Apd among the military leadersr'
There is none of any account There are some sol
diers, but no men."
HIS EXPLANATION OF THE WORDS "pRNcIpLx' AND "poo.
TRNEv
These were the most important topics touched upon
during this conversation, which Interested quite
much az frst Prince Netternch does not decaim,
he oonyerses and conveses 70 perfection wandering
will from anecdoe to anecdote aud making little digres
eops the spirit Of that upon iems. HIS memoirs
would be delightful to read they preserved this pqaapt
simplicity. / must here the distinction he drew be.
principle and doctrinetwo things OF which people
speak great deal; which they refer to frequently;
which they often conount and which IL is necessary
distinguish between carefully because in fact they are
oflen very much alike.
ordnance Of equal calibre and charged with the same
kind OF ball But principle rs a cannon turning
pivot can fire In every direction and strike everything
that opposes IT, Doctrine, ia cannon placed in an eu
brasure only fire in one direction and that straight
forward When was in London, conversed good deal
with ii. Guizo who was always little Of dociTnaire
On many subjects thought alike, but others
couc not agree How do you think parted big argu-
aud sad, Fire away my friend, am under shelter
And III reality was under shelter, and although he knew
well bow 10 make the Of feeble arguments, his
strongest ores could reach tDoes this distnc-
ton satisfy youg''
| sPerfectly, Prince"
"Wen, give it to you"
| THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE POPE.
Al tie commencement Of my third VISIT the conversa-
on returned to the affairs Of Italy and Of the Church
The Prince again bore Witness 70 the Catholic feeling OF
Austria &c Like all the nations of the world be said,
Austa interested in the independence Of the sove
reign Pont and she will commit great fault not TO re-
spect it, superior degree of understanding not neces
sary comprehend that that independence which nte
rests strongly does not interest other people less
This what have always endeav0red to bring to the
comprehension Of those persons with whom have had
OF treating that subject Of first Importance to
Europe Lave not founded the necessity Of the liberty
of the Pontr end of the maintenance OF the Pontasa
| would not admit, or which they would treat with
mockely have said TO them: You cannot deny facts
You cannot deny that Europa cannot without Chris
snity and tnat consequently The chief OF the Christian
religion is very great and verypowertu parsonage In
necessary that this great and powerful parsonage
| should occupy some place. you cannot deny. must
then DC either bis own place or tia. Of somebody else
II he occupies the domains Of somebody, he is in the
power Of somebody But !, who have Catholic subjects
that to aay, who depend on the Pope-now could l,
tolerate the Pope should have MASTER the Pope
should be placed in dependent position, that person
master in my and easy to BE-
| roreseep he would be more master than myself"
1T as me- added % Is the TIVE ss
and not ~ the domoious Of
your poencs You seize the understanding men In
presenting these evidences 10 them"
| HIrdeedlp | exclaimed.
An yes indeed When 1t necessary to produce evi.
dence Is demonstrated In vain inasmuch those 70
whom is offered do not wish to see and many those
Who wish to see 1t make haste loosely TO forget II to
,n =, - who resolutey denied it, Notwithstanding
here are vct Al will always be, conscences which will
be clear and every clca, IS and El always
be strong"
NAporroy,s p, An FOR POPE.
had Conversation with Nspoleon day when tho
Pope was at savonna prisons' of France. Napoleon
was not wanting in certain affection me- and be knew
that tbs Pope honored me with some confidence. He
called me one DAY and said to me-s'Do vice.
am tired Of the captivity Of the Pope It is situation from
which nothing good can arise and i. is necessary that
The Pope grants you biz friends6p you viii spesR TO-
him on my behalf, az common friend; and you viii in
suss min to accept plan which settle
observed that the authoryof the Emperor would be
necessary for me- Do you refuse that T." he replied
ut seems 10 me that you will be in way compromised
In employing your efforts for the peace of the world" g"
Is that, continued smiling, 81 doubt il that really
plan known 70 aere said M Ns ySS
leon, in very tranquil sin future the See of
the Church would not be any more at Rome, but at
Paris"
could not restrain movement of surprise and smile
eyes" replied that formidable man, 81 will bring tho
Pope TO Paris and will establish the See OF the Church
there But wish that the sovereign pon, should in
dependent will give him comfortable establishment
near the capital will give him chateau. and order
that be might be In bis house, will make the terri.
tory for leagues around bis palace neutral ground
He will there have bis college Of CARDINALS his corps d.
pomstque his Congregations his court and that he
should want for nothing will guarantee him annual
endowment OF six millions Do you think he will refuse
that?
81 am he would, and all Europe would support him
IN bis refusal The Pope would find not without reason
that he would be much prisoner with your six mil
lions he is at Savonna.n
Napoleon acclaimed very Ioudy-abounded 10
argument, and alleged Thousand stunning reasons.
Al last / said TO him "Your Majesty has
drawn secret from The Emperor OF Austria
had the idea yourself. He sees that You do
not wish TO send back the Pope Rome he doee wish
the Pope TO remain in prison. end he also thinks notwth
standing, CT making provision for him. Your Majesty
knows the royal chaIeau OF Schoenbrunn. The Empe-
ror viii give ii TO the Pope with territory Of ten AZ
teen leagues entirely NEUTRAL and he will add allow
OF twelve millions of revenue. II the Pope accepts
that arrangement would you coneent?''
he perfectly understood the apologize, but he was the
stronger and he wished TO have the opinion Of Plus
VII his plan. The sovereign pontf REPLIED as had
easily foreeeen That Savonna appeared TO him gcot