New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1859-02-17
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bers If he Council mos, determine hos far these ALA
sioIs are 20 go, or give hin power 20 decide himself,
ard check them.
DR.. BtcoN iodorsed the Noierator's views. Sich
remarks should rot be permitted TWAS for tine COun-
c.l to decide whether any letters bat the hes, isrs
should be given any one retiring tesTine 20 retire
from any church. He knew ct case in Nes.Es GLAND
when a men Der waniedio set ont Of church t. which
he belonged. lie received a letter AFTER thi, sse:
"We hereby certify to you that a. u. is msabcr Of
this church in regular, bu' by no means high s.aad-
4" irc" Great laughter Nov, the question IT, has
any cburch "a ht 20 give such letters Have they
tie right 20 pain, on another church members they
do got went 81 retain themselves
Mr. &, j. WARRrS regretted that the Committee 20
which he beougec hsi b betrsJod into the express
sior of Mt which they bal made. The Coanel
asked them 10 appear be inter- gated and they ngni
better have waited for questions The sdbJect before
the Couocil, be thought wss al abstract one. Ctn
church give apy other than fn letters 70 those des-
ing 10 sever their connect with Inis IN hts oQn-
ion, was the point TO be discussed. Tie Clerk OF the
church was present, and could give any iniosm sson
as 70 the matters OF fsct which uight bs desirei.
SECOND DAY.
TIE Courci rvssemhled 1T y O'Clock yes tcrdsy
moTDrg, tie Rev. Dr. DwIcHr in the chair
The Clerk ofthe Rev. DIR C1eeyers Church handed
in written statement which expressed the vie - Of
the Church particularly than had been previously
dCte.
Deacon GILMAN, in reply TO question by the
Moderator "a whether the Committee OF the Church
wished 10 be heard further said that the lstters given
to members were merely letters of dsmissa and not
certfcs,es Of membership They were made after q
form used by Presbyterian Church in the city uoisr
similar circumstances
DIR. BkCoS desired TO know If the Church hsd de-
clned n mutual Council
Deacon GILMAN said the Church thought that the
application for the Council was made on trivial
grounds.
TIE statements of AIr Gilman were confirmed by
the Clerk of the Church.
After some remarks from the Rev. c. j. WARREs,
DR.. BACoN, in answer Ia q question from the Clerk,
said he thou 10 i would be proper 20 hear the re-
cords of the Church. far as they bore on the case
read.
The Rev. Dr. PORTER sad that II such records were
read, far regarded the application for letters OF
dismissal il might be found necessary To br,cg for~an
testimony TO show the temper and spirit of the meeting
(which they gave an account.
In accord aLce with general desire, however, the
records were read by the Clerk.
Dr. PORTER asked the Clerk If the protest OF the sp-
pellants had been presented % the church.
The CLERK replied in the negative, and added that
he he'd conferred With members OF the church, but he
could ct recollect whether the Conferences was had
with the Presidential Committee or not and the con-
crsion arrived 1t was, tina. the protest should no. DO
laid before the church. they having taken hosl action
on the matter. -
Mr., Woop said that eleven years ago a certificate
had been adopted by the Presidential Committee,
which had since then been invariably used, except in
the case of the Rev. Mr. Hatch and the parties who
invented the Council As regards Mr.. Hatch an
agreement had been distinctly sIe The part OF that
Rev. genteahn, that qualification should bo wittes
the back of his certificate, the case being totally
different from the present one. Inc csrtiuca's oi the
Church which had always been regarded as valid, was
in the following language:
Puritsus In good and regular standing Asnoh IS 81
own request dismissed and aaeconsey recommended % TIA
fellow ship OF the any oher Church Of Jesus CAisaD
With whom God may reSsnee and When received
DIR. PORTER, in a long and eloquent speech, CON-
planned that in the certificates given to the Appellants,
the words good" and "afectionately rscomsndsd
IL L.. La ,,t apt, in fha
granted the concluding clause was also omitted. In
the course of his remarks the speaker ssd that Dsa-
con Fairbanks, who had spoken on Tuesday evening,
had given the animus Of the whole matter although
he had only two months experience as Congregt-
tlonalst, being previously Presbyterian.
Deacon FARBAsKs, amid some laughter, denied
that he was a Presbyterian. He had been . Congre-
gatoDast all his life and did not believe word Of
Presbyterian doctrine lie went into the church to
hear the Gospel preached and had distinctly said that
Presbyterans did not tread on his toes he would not
tread on theirs.
DIR. PORTER continued to defend the rights of the
minority, and quoted st. Pauls remarks in tho 18th
chapter of the Romans Let not him tiss sateth de-
fpise him that eateth not. Let him that eateth not
{" Judge him that eateth."
Several members spoke of the portion Of DIR.
Cheever the Clerk stating that the pastor had con-
stany opposed the action Of the church, and had en-
tered protest againsttt.
test, which was opposed by DIR. Porter, who said
that if such testimony should be introduced he on the
part Of the appellants, would Join issue, snd shoE that
DIR. Cheever was always adverse 70 the issuing OF
" clean letters Of dismissal.
In answer TO questions from DR.. SroRRs, the Clerk
Of the Church, Mr.. PHELPs, resf portion OF DIR.
Cheevers protest 10 show that the pastor averse
TO the actiOn OF that Church.
Dr. BACOS would with the document read, II It had
been regularly entered the files of tho Church bat
the understanding was otherwise then It should not
be read.
The CLERK distinctly stated that the protest had
n.ver read a the Church. but DIR. thceVsf had
verbally pro.e sted against the Churchs action.
The Few. CLARKE said that If the pastor had re-
served right to make written protest subsequently
il was uroper TO read il. He would ask at WHIST time
the Clerk read the protest!
Mr. PHELPs said that it came into his Possession
this morning. Laughter
The motion 10 nave the protest rerd was then with
drawn.
Deacon FAIRBANKS wished 10 make some ex ,lans-
ton but the Moderator refused ~ hear him nqess by
consent Of the Council. the Church Committees had
not exactly submitted 10 the authority OF the Council,
and should rot argue the case after having sub nted
their stafement which was replied To by Dr. PoRTER.
Mr. GILLMAS Of the Church COMMITTEE, sable
quebty read the customary letter OF disnissSi, as
regarded the Rev. Mr.. Hatcb, which rec 'B,menfei
him to thu Plymouth Church IN Brooklyn tbe word
affection tey' being omitted bat ststsd tina, he
had not been in connection with the Church for fonr
wears. and they knew little Of him. and mach
areyed at bis action relative to running cars IN Brook.
lyn on Sunday.
Mr. GILLgAs denied that the Committee wished 10
argue the question.
10 answer to n question, Mr. Csyr, one of tbe sp.
pfllants who Clerk OF lie Church a. the sue Of
The Rev. Mr.. Hsichs dismissed, said tina. the word
" aifectiOnstely Was left out by accident only.
NJ. WooD remarked that il Shoui be brine 10 mod
ii at the lesr 10 Mr.. Hatch fun letter, an5oogh
he obnoxious individual. The letters Ia qies-
ton Nere totally different.
Deacon FARnyn asked If the Covenant OF the
Church of tins Purtsns had any clause bearing 90 the
mater before the Council, H. Lsd felt some oHpfse