The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-12-25

Mr. Avrny, (dem.) OF Tennessee, trom the hack
ground) What member was thaty
Mr. FARnswoRTi- Carl johnson. 1t came with
very bad grace from the democratic party 20 nIow up 10
the republican party that they were in favor Of tho po
Mr. fDcls (Gem Of fills there in your district no
distinction between negroes and white peoples DO they
Mr. F.RsswosH did no. know. So far as tho question
social equality coacsrned the republican party did
not believe nor maintain IT, But the republican party
uired no laws restraining them from inter wi
negroes il his friends all afraid intcrmarry
strsinng But far the rights Of men were con-
cerned the negro was bis ainsworths) equal, and the
Mr. LOGAN asked whether the republican party had not
voted Tor the abrogaon OF all laws In reference to tho
distinction between whites and blacks, regarded their
Mr. FARsswoRIH admitted that a republican member
Had introduced such law. If he did not he ought to
Mr. IOGAS-Exactly. Did not the republican members
OF the last Illinois Legislature expunge the word
:. white" from the school law, SO as to make it read
Mr.. FARsswoRrH did not know. In his State they ad
United who did believe in God testify also q
man covered with pollution and he could not SEQ Why they
should exclude the negro But the true test to sub
init the credbility Of witness to the Jury When they
said that q man assaulted and wrorged by vianons
democratic white man, democratic dougface should
not be permitted to testify, he said it was damuabe
Mr.. IooAN-Certainly, if the gentleman is satisfied.
Mr. FAaNswoRrH-How is the democracy
Mr. IoGAN-yery well. (Iaughter.)
Mr. FaRsswoIrH then reviewed The course Of Judge
Dougas in reference the Territorial question contendng
tnat he fDCuglhS) placed nnbcN On OOn
question TIE republican party was founded upon princi
pie but the democratic party OF Illinois was man wor.
sap wing Z sp H. would s s
league II he agreeds
worship fred Douglass Great iaughterS AA' -
Mr. FARNswoRTH then inquired whether his colleague
from the Firth district, and MS party in Illinois would sup
port whoever nominated at Charleston, no matter
what was the PLATFORM
Mr. MoRR1, a. L. DEM Of H., had no desire to be
drawn the which had been held with his
colleague. He had doubt that the Charleston Convcn
ton would ADOPT the Cincinnati platform and he had no
doubt Judge Douglas would support the nominee.
Mr.. swoR1H-Thats no answer.
Mr. MoRins-Then, sir, will say they will
Mr. FARNswoErH rejoined that Judge Douglas had de-
ared in letter that would accept nomination
unless he placed upon platform that conceded the
right of Territorial Legislature to egis!ate upon the
question Of slavery.
Mr. MoRus-we consider all that our own business, not
yours.
the business Of the republican party, and asked
with what consistency Judge Douglas could support the
nominee of ME Charleston Convention upon platform
upon which hc would not himself be candidate.
Mr. SMITH, Of Va thcn proceeded to address the House
In consequence OF the OF remark INDUCED In by
the gentleman from Pennsylvania lr Crow he said he
felt 1t his duty to take his part the debate When the
incident that aroused the public mind and brought about
revelation that startled the country with arnazement
seen mat sixty eight members Of the last Congress,
besides other gentlemen Of the highest position
had endorsed pamphlet known as the Helper pamphlet,
Safeguarding crusade Of blood, murder treason and in
srrecon against Of the largest sections OF the Union
What had been the first development? One of the very
gentlemen who had endorsed this book had been put
nomination as presiding officer Of this House. That
presiding sencer must sustain the most intimate
personal and social relations necessarily with the
Jers over whose deliberations be presdcs and he asked
The House and country if they would rghtuy and truly
perform their great social and political duty by eecting
that man to preside this bodys He put the question
here and he desired the country to understand IT, They
may have the power by force Of numbers TO put
who is murderer, robber, man who proclaims his
deadly hostility TO half OF the Union in that chair
but ask them if it is rght2f they will the re.
representatives. Of constitutional liberty on this doorg
Mr.. SHERMAN, (rep) Of ILL.,, with composurc but show
ing signs gathering storm)-l desire to know If the
gentleman from Virginia applies these words 70 me3
the gentleman is a murderer have no such thought,
and was about to say So and would have come with
more grace than from an interruption
Mr. SHERMAN with satisfied air III misunderstood the
gentleman.
Mr.. Smith (imperiously)-I illustrating Would
Mr.. SHERMAN and others ly)-CertainIy not
Mr. SanH-H the act Of party
the gentleman to order. consider that reflection upon
members on this floor II mpeaches the honor of every
man on this side OF the House, and ask the gentleman to
recall it.
Mr. SMITH Sasmly)mwhen en-. have anything 70 recall
haps fare all the better for il. charged nobody with
being murdercrs robbers upon this floor, but do
charge that when came here we found that sixty eight
members OF the last Congross-mnny Of them now here
did endorse pamphlet according TO what had right
believe and suppose just as bad and as damnable
1Cries Of aGood y and applause in the gallcres.)
The Cxx said that he gave mott yesterday that if the
HOUSE
the galleries. would call upon the officers of the House
suppress In accordance herewith he called upon the
Hers ousucd a scene Of considerable confusion many
members crying out, "Cear the galleries., whilst others
hoped that snch course would not be pursued In the
aged respectable gentleman exca med loudly. al will
leave t' and made his way through the dense throng
the main door Of the House to intercept him.
Finally order restored when the CLERK stated that
1t not his intention I, have the galleries cleared,
oyderE occupied them, simply
serve order.
Tho business OF the House then proceeded.
Mr.. SMITH said he proceeding to illustrate the posi-
ton that bad been taken by the democracy and had used
strong figures Of speech for the purpose OF making II IN
way from which there could be escape, and to vnd
cate the democrat side Of the House from the asersons
cast upon them from time TO time Of triing with the or
Xanization OF this body he said again that when they
here under the circumstances to which no had ad
verted, their duty to raise the question which
he was glad to see that the honorable gentleman from
Iowa showed a becoming sensIbity He knew how he
mr. Curts) felt upon that subject, nor did lac mean to
intimate any that that gentleman would do any
thing dshonoIAbe But he put the question, whether he
House who endorsed the doctrines Of the Helper book
Mr.. CURTIS replied that the gentleman knew that no
member nominated would not sanction any assault upon
the rights OF Virginia or any other State He msundcr-
stood the gentleman when he put the proposition but still
he could not suppose the gentleman seriously believed
that any republican member was so nsensb 10 honor
to dare to bring into the House any one who would
propose attempt to endorse book like that referred
TO- or countcpance such outrage that Of Brown in
Virginia anywhere else OF the greatest crimes
earth He did not blame him, however, for asking the
questions he did for the purpose Of drawing from
the gentleman nominated denial OF all intention Of
dorsing such sentiments.
Mr. SMITH said every sort Of atrocty recommended
against the shareholders Did not the gentleman know it,
Mr.. CuRrs-I am told it contains infamous matter
Mr.. SMIm-Sr, your candidate signed it. He was sur
prised that the gentleman from Tennessee should have
fallen into the Of stating that Mr. sherman had dis.
claimed the atrocities Of the Helper pamphlet He would
ask that gentleman where he got his information?
Mr. EKIsoN Is. opp Of Tenn, said his recollection
was that Mr. Sherman had declared that he did not APP
prove Of tho doctrines Of the Helper book.
Mr. Smith, have it here. Mr.. Smith then pro
ceeded to read the explanation Of Mr.. sherman,
being frequently requested by Mr.. Grow to continue
until he had read the whole of Mr.. sherman remarks
Did he discam the doctrines OF the Helper book9 ask
here in the presence OF the candidate Of that side Of
the House, does that gentleman discaim the doctrines OF
the Helper book ask the gentleman does no dscam the
doctrines Of the Helper book, read here "a pause)
The gentleman Is dumb he is silent desire to got the