The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-08-12

that YOU ought not 70 70 10 war II necessary
gress the course which, when there was chance q
preventing war, ought 70 be recommended 1t was the
duty Of the government TO recommend But tue policy
which Lord Clarendon recommended and supported at too
involve Interference In Italy, which, considering that at
that time there imminent danger OF some disturbance
it, But says the noble lord, ssr Offering great msaS
arguments the general tendency Of which was To prove
that We wanted 70 go TO the Congress We could not 60
lAUgh)-a congress- speaking In the abstract, was the
proper mode Of settling this mser. The noble lord
Rnowedges that he ACCEPT this invitation unless
luxe invitation y made by the En- Of Austria aud 70
nave cot heard that invitations Of that kind have been
offered But II the noble lord Interested 10 the future Of
franca, to attend the conference in order to advance
ne future interests OF that country would he not be
reference to the future government Of Itsiys wnst
was the great at Paris BY the French
4 to establish iu Italy ssculsrsson Of the Romss
siates (Hesr, hear) The great point was virtually to
@ M 1e f0 sS 20 We Of bis spiritual
Is {, be ne head Of great Confederation The too poiicaes
arc ssd ssa s aa9 as YOU 60 70 tbs O.
the Duches are not TO be dealt WITH and though ma
authority for saying his instructive feeling that
OF the Duches He has 10 hope aud believe
that Austria also will refrain from using force their
to be settIeds why is not 70 be settled by the inerfs
Of any Power in Italy The noble lord
people Of this country would not for moment tolerate
interference by England In order place the rejected rulers
upon their thrones. (Hear hear) that is the what
the OF going TO the Coprencep (Hear hsAr) The
noble lord has touched upon three points which
thinks discussion will arise II this Conference place
First OF oil be says there IL the principle OF
which lie approves Of but he says that practically Il
would OF well In the present state OF Italy Then
the roble lord mentioned variety OF circumstances with
which, at present be said the principle Of confederation
would unsatisfactory cope. But these questions OF
Ugous liberation and free worship to which the nobs
lord referred would not under the OF
retsled by each separate government Confederation
the idea Of which sound in opinion is adapted 70
country the people o. that country could work OUT
confederation would not apply With ali his anxiety
to effect the regeneration Of Italy, and with all his equal
anxiety to attend the Congress for that object the
noble lord tonight has urged objections against that
part OF the plan which hope may be practical, but
Considerations Well, thea, If according to the noble
ordS views the confederation principle not to be
interference in Duchies, it, the third instance ali
that left TO be dealt with IL the Pspa govern why,
AK Is advisable that we .houid be drawn INTO TIL.
out by the articles OF the Vlsfranca treaty deemed
know by many gentlemen both sides OF ths House
proceed according TO the articles or the Vafrancs treaty
government in accepting the invitation to attend the
one here would wish to sanction. II to enter
into conference in order to bring about state OF society
10 Italy not contemplated by those who have carried
this war, ask the House for moment to consider what
Is 10 be the ssue Of abours Either shall fad
In object we shall not failure be the result
all will regret our Interference, but II We carry our
object into eeotH establish In Italy state Of society
at all ike the programme Of Milan the programme q
Tvertcn-we must do by Offering inducements to this
other great Powers which Parliament would not
approve Of IT, under all circumstances, should be
chary about the engagements which conferences and
gresses always lead to, surely when q war has been
waged, Of which we entirely disapproved, when it has
been closed sudden, when the responsibility Of all
that has occurred and Of ali that may Is Of
which this government Is completely clear, 1t would be
the height Of rashness and precipitation by any act
By o .nV
are rot apswersble (aear trust therefore, that the
feeling OF the House will be so direct and distinct upol
this subject that her Majesys Ministers vii, not feel IL
their duty to recommend her Majesty any repre-
sentative to this projected Conference have no doubt
there mmt difficulties consequence OF the war and
consequence Of the peace We had nothing 10 do with
the war; we had nothing to do with the peace diff.
culties arise which interfere we shall interfere
with much greater effect and much dignity are
rot introduced the last act Ia order to other per-
sons from dcu ties which they crested and for which
we are rot answerable (Hear hear) There only one
observation which would make in quence of the in
timaton which the noble lord gave that despatch had
arrived from Paris that the intention OF the Empe
OF the French to reduce his both by sea
and land we that liz excellent news, and Tho value de-
ponds entirely upon the In which that policy is
carried I should not have noticed that Considering
that all the Information which bad merely by tele
graph bad not Minister called our attention to it in his
place at the moment he rose and evidently with the inen
ton OF influencing the opinion Of the House think my
sendeed ventured to make the observation the other
night OF great importance that the
OF the great Powers should be reduced (Hear) did
not when made that observation lay claim any orr
ginality. Twas tire time that was AT all
trencbpg upon the peculiar of the honorable gen
teman, tie member for Birmingham He informed se
afterwards with great exnlaton that the proportion Ia
reduce armsments after original principle in
politics invented by himeelf (Iaushter) / observed
that articles OF peace were never yet signed
DO pesce was ever yet concluded without members of this
House pressing upon The to avail themselves
OF the opportunity Of reducing their aments and
knowing that our predecessors in this assembly l50
yeae, to my knowledge recommended that policy Ger.
tanly was asonshed that the honor able member for Br
OF ne s with
that opportunity OF informing the House that him.
se was the inventor Of that policy aughter) Iremem-
Der some very absurd observations ade
ten years upon this subject In the course OF
which he maintained that peace the natural state OF
man IN the present day, because the commercial
principle stronger than the POLITICAL ami In which he
ssd that France could never go 10 again conse
quence alteration Of the tenure of land in that
country there being then about seven millions and half
OF propietors. reminded him then-iu the year 1875
that the same tenure obtained in France under the re-
public and under the rst empires that there were then
also about seven millions OF propreors but that did
not prevent the French going to he then expressed
quite forgotten and therefore shall now touch upon
them; but when peace is announced by Minister az II
military monarches Of Earoos enseiav AZ & s sns
the tordon OF this country has been greatly increased in
consequence Of the adoption of very necessary Of
FENCE there D1s noh1ng Uery Ud-there nothing,
tnk, te7y un'oise IN suggesting that our ally should take
this Opportunity If etatlishifg in the eyes of Esrops and
especially Of this country, the sincerity of his friendship
for En9and-which for one, have no with in any way
to couot-by the reduction OF his ornaments II seemed
to me to be a very natural policy a policy which would
promote the Emperors own interests and one which II
he entertain II he will, have doubt carry out with
sincerity. The Emperor ought, however, understand
II that s the policy which the Engish Parliament wishes
him to adopt that be does adopt and pursue with ain
certify we are prepared TO respond to it in reciprocal
spirit He ought clearly to understand that we suggest
that policy from no wild sentiment but ia plain bust
ness like manner and that If he agrees to it, our
part prepared to carry it out In business like man.
ner But then we must know what the reductions are
(Hear hear) We must gee that reductions are being
made in bis forces as clearly he will know what are
the reductions which we are making BE must not sun
pose that because what called the peace prnciple
Ia prevalent 10 this House that such policy IL recon-
merded, because If he thought that he would
have the feeling which some attribute to him.
but which do rot believe he entertans he mjoht
then treat the House Of Commons like Children
and hope that by teegaphc dispatches made up Of UNI
meaning phrases he could influence the policy of this
country. That great Prince is too sensible man TO en-
terrain such an opinion for moment; but, as the ques
ton has been introduced by Secretary Of State
think there should be mistake 10 tho opinion of the
House Of Commons upon the reduction Of ornaments by