, 1859-10-24

The pa1 ties present in the room during the con-
ret satlon were Senator Mason, Hon. Messrs.
Faulkner and yallandigham, Dr.. Biggs, Lieut..
Stuart, 1st Cavalry, US. L., two New York re-
porters, aud the writer. a few other persons
came in at times to see what was going on.
TIE CONVERSATION.
Senator Mason-How do you Justify your acts !.
Hrown-1 think, ny friend, on are guilty Of a
great wrong against God aud humanity.
say that without wishing to be offensive. would
be perfectly right for any one to interfere with
| you SO fur as to free those you wIlfutly and
wickedly hold in bonds. do not say this in.
su'tipg!y.
Mr. Mason-1 understand that.
Drown-1 think did right, and that others will
doHght who interfere with you ut any time and
asltimes. Ihold that the golden rule Do unto
you, applies to all who would help others 10 gain
their liberty.
Lieutenant stuart-But you don't believe IN
tho Bible.
l,r.wn-Certainl5 do:
Ar- Valandieham-Whe here did your men come
iren'; did sosne Of them come from Ohio?
Drown-Some of them.
Mr.. v.-From the Western Reserve -ofcourse
none came from Southern Ohio7
B.-0h, yes; l believe one came from below
Steubenvillc, down not far from Wheeling.
Bit. E.-uaye you been in Ohio this summer:
u.-1 eSt Slf-
Mr. V.-How late9
B.-Ipassed through to Pittsburgh on my way
| here III June.
Mr. V.-Were you at any County or State Fairs
then!
D-I was not there since June.
Mr. Mason-Did you consider this military
organization on this paper ?-showing copy Of
| the so-called constitution md ordinances-1
/ have nut yet read it.
| B.-1 did in some measure. I wish you would
| give that paper your close attention.
Mr. M.-You consider yourself the Comman-
dcr-in.chief Of this provisional military force?
III was chosen ag1eeably 10 the ordinance
Sir. M.-What wages did you offer?
D.-Sone.
Lieut.. Stuart-The wages Of sin is death.
HI would not bare made such remark to
ron It you had been prisoner, and wounded, in
my hands
4 Dystander-Did You not promise negro
in Gettysburg $50 month?
D.-1 did not.
DyRtunder.-He says you did.
Mr. v.-Were you ever in Daytons
D-fc., ! must hare been.
Mr. Y. This summer?
Bios year or two since.
3fr. Mason.-Does this talking aunoy you at
N.-Sot in the least.
olr- Y.-Hare you lived long in Ohio:
Erowu--I went there in 1895; l Tired in Sum-
nit county, which WIS then Ttumbuit county /;
ny natire place is York State.
Mr. V.-Do you reco!lect man in Ohio,
named Brown, noted countcrfeiter?
b. do; knew him from boy; bis father
was Henry Brown, Of Irish or Scotch descent; ;
lie family was rery low.
Mr. V.-lIave you eyer been IN Portage
county:
B-I Was there in June last
Mr. WHEN in Cleveland, did you attend
the Fueitire Slave Law Convcntiont
B.-No; I was there about the time Of tho
setting Of the Court to try the 0ber1u rescue, 8;
1spole there publicly on that subject; l spoke
CD the Fugitive Save Inv, and my or n rescue,
YVES disposed to justify the 0beriin people for
rescuing slave, because have myself ,orcib'y
taken slaves from bondage I Waa concerned IN
tAking eleven stavcs from Missouri to Canada
last winter; think spoke in Cleveland before
tue Convention do not know that had any
was sick part Of tic time va. in Ohio; tad
the ague was part Of the time in Ashtabula
county.
Giddngs there:
H. did meet him.
Mr. V.-Did you consult With him!
B---if did, would not tell you, Of course,
ANYTHING that would impllcate Mr. Giddings, but
crrtalnly saw him and had aconversasion with
him.
Dir. v.-About that rescue cases
D.-Yes. did hear him express his opinion
on it rery freely and frankly.
Mr. y.-Justifying it:
1.-Yes sir; do not compromise him IN say-
ing that
4 Bystandcr.--Did you 30 cut to kansas
under the auspices Of the Emigrant Aid So
cietys
H-No sir; went under the auspices Of old
John Brown. and nobody else.
Mr. WIN you answer this. Did ron
talk with Ar. Giddiugs about youe expedition
here:
D-No sir, won't answer that, because de-
mini Of it would not make, and to make IN atlir-
nation Of It should be d great Ounce.
Mr. B.-uaye you hnd any correspondence
with parties at the North on the subject Of this
morementY
D.-1 have had correspondence.
Bystander-Do you consider it religious
Bit is in my opinion the greatest service n
ulan can EeudeF to God.
Dystarder-Do you consider yourself an in
stzument in the haId. Of Providence:
D.-1 do.
Nystander-Upon what principle do 5ou JUS
tifv your acts!
B.-By the golden rule. pity the poor in
bondage. That is whJ am hero. 1t is not to
rrstify any personal animosty, Or feeling Of re-
genge or vind'ctivc spirit 1t is my sJmpa-
lly with the oppressed aud wronged that are
Us good NJ you, and as precious IN the sight OF
God.
t. Certainly, but why take The
slases against their will
B.-Warmty-1 nertt did.
Bystander.-1ou did in one instance. At 1east.
Stephens. to the inquirer, interrupted Brown
You arc right, sir. IN one case. "a groan from
the wounded mtn.) In ono cas-. know the
negro wanted to 60 back.
To Brown-Captain, the gentleman is right
Hvstander, to Sserhens-Nhered did you cone
from1 ---'
S.-I live in Ashtabula county. Ohio.
Nr. F.-How recently did Jon tease Ash.abu-
Ia county.
S.-Some months ago. never resided there
my length Of time. hare often been through
there.
Mr. V.-How far did you live from Jefferson!
i. to Stephens-Be rery cautious, Stephens,
about answering that, it might commit some
friend. would not answer it at ALL
!. S, who had been grooming considerably, nl-
1hoash the cxettion Necessary 10 conversation
seriously affected him, seemed content TO abide
by my Captaio's' decision. He turned ovcr
and was silent
Mr. r., to Btown-Who were your advisers
in this noTementf
III hare numerous syrnpathizezs through.
out the entire North.
AI4 .-AA AAN4h4EA4 SAQ
D.-No; no more there than anywhere else in
oil the Free States.. -. 50.
s1r. v.-But yon are not personally aequaiat-
ed in Southern Ohio.
D.-Not very much.
Mr.. V.-Were you at the convention last
June!
D.| was; 7 want you to understand, gentle
men. that respect the rights Of the poorest
and weakest Of the eoIored people oppressed hv
the Stare - stem, just a. much as DO those Of
the most wealthy and powerful; that is the idea
that haa moved nc, and that alone VIC e1-
pccted no reward. We expected the sA1is!ac-
1ion Of eudearoring to do ior them IN distress
the greatly opprtssed-as We would be done
by. The cry Of distress and Of the distressed,
is my reason, mud the only one that impelled
me.
Bystander-Why did ron do it secretly,
B.-Beeanse thought it necessary to success.
For no other reason.
Bystander,-You think that honorable, do
youa Have you read Gerrit Smiths letter!
B.-What letter do you mean? :.
Bystander,-The n. :. Hrad Of yesterday