The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-10-13

Of The church BY any bishop priest deacon because this
istns provisions on the subject on the the foloS
House oy s one soa Of
1858 be repealed On the 2st and eighteenth
from The House Of BshopsT Ssh Roass 81 Bishops
the House Of Clerical aud Lay Deputies that has passed the
Resolved That the House Bishops in the
aeon OF ae 1ercal and Lay deputies respecting eaho oe
action Of this House seventeenth day Of the session
day was the last Of the session and upon tins state
one and two of 1858 mot repealed and they oer the follow
Resolved That in the opinion of this House anons
two OF 1853 are not repealed.
W. COOPER MEAD. Chairman.
message was received from the House OF Bishops
uniting two resolutions one informing the House OF
Deputies the Of that body in the resolution
adopted by the House Friday last referring the report
Of the joint committee appointed to digest the canons Of
the church Joint committee of both houses and Of the
appointment OF the following bishops to form the commit
tee the part OF that House Bishops Hopkins Potter
and Wttingham.
message was also received from the same body, in
forming the House OF the appointment Of Bishop Potter,
Burgess and Williams committee on tho part of the
House Of Bishops to act with committee appointed by
the House to consider the report of the Board OF Trustees
on the fund for the orphans and widows OF deceased cer
gymen, and aged, intrm and disabled cergymen, and
also to nominate Board of Trustees in ccordance with
the charter.
Mr. HOFFMAN, inquired if the resolution adopted yes
terday was sent up to the House of Bishops.
The SECRETARY answered that ii the resolution
having contained no instructions to that effect.
The resolution referred to decided that the report OF
the Board Of Trustees this fund should not be sent to
committee The House adopted it as it was presented
by the Board This action on the part OF the House Of
Bishops would have been obviated had they been in
formed Of the adoption OF the report by the House on 81.
turday
Dr. yNToN called for the reading Of the resolution just
reported by the Committee on Canons.
The SECRETARY read il as follows
Resolved opinion House canons one and
two of 1888 are not repealed.
Dr. vISToN then called for the reading OF the resolution
on this subject, which referred to the committee
The resolution was read given in the early part Of
these proceedings.
pr vINToN moved tina, no action be taken now upon
this report Of the Committee Canons but that il be laid
over Tor more favorable opportunity TO discuss it, The
motion was agreed to.
DR.. SAY, OF Ala said he desired to offer a resolution
the object OF which TO expedite the business OF the
house. He was ii was in the knowledge Of many
members Of that body that there had been a prevailing
spirit OF dissatisfaction at the manner in which the time
OF the house was spent. Nearly all the time taken
up in amending canons and adopting ones, and what
little was left afterwards occupied in discussing points
of order When would the time come when they should
have an opportunity OF saying something that would stir
up their spirits and treat upon the great topics connected
with the church, At every Convention committee is ap
pointed the state OF the church, and when they looked
at the number and material Of that commteewhen they
saw that here men from thirtytw doceses many
OF them men of great experience and observaton-men
who as brother remarked to him the other day, when
they spoke, you would expect to hear report loud
er than cannon-when they these men
who compose that committee, they ought to
at least afford them opportunity Of being heard We
have met here after night for the purpose of srngng
geher the reports from several diocesan conventions
or committees. On that committee ought to have
something devised which would bear upon the practical
vitality Of the church, and her glory in the future He
would, with this view, submit the following resolution
Resolved That the Committee the State of the Church
be and authorized to consider matters connected
with the practical efficiency Of the church. and to
mend such action to tins house may seem to them
eXpedient and necessary.
AT this stage message received from the House OF
Bishops informing the house of the non concurrence Of
that body in the report of the Committee the Consecra
ton Of Bishops rather returning the report, because
their consent to the conservation OF the four bishops elect
was not given in canonica form.
The message was referred to the Committee the Con-
secration Of Bishops.
DR. GuIoN thought the resolution Of the gentleman from
Alabama lDr say a very wise and sensible The
records of the Committee the State Of the Church ought
not to be a mere catalogue of statistics, with
more life or spirit in II than would be in arithme
tic The action of this committee should include
thing which would stir up the minds Of the clergy and
ay and which would address itself TO the sy,npathes
Of the church; and there ought be something from
which growing youths would learn wisdom and prac
teal information He was strongly in favor of ncorpo
rating into the committee the duty Of supplying
such matter he referred to- and then they should have
something to stir up the sumbering energies and arouse
them to efficient action. He responded with all his
heart TO the earnest resolution of his reverend brother
from Alabama.
Dr. TRIAL, Of Cal, expressed himself in favor Of post
bE1AcA1K inquired if the csihmittee had not already
the power which the resolution proposed to confer.
committee possessed no such power.
Mr. WILLIAMS of Va called for the order of the day He
was OF opinion that the committee had this power and that
being the they could exercise without the adoption
Of this resolution If they had not this power why, the
house have some little time to reflect upon the subject
He would therefore, call for the order of the day.
DR.. CRAK, of KY, moved to pass by the special
order TO erabc the house TO decide upon the resolutions
The duties of that committee should embrace in connec
ton with the duty Of strngng together the reports of the
committees OF each diocess that of furnishing reports
upon important topics connected with the church They
should not only make rienna reports but reports
lay tay m Tho hong If Tho
church and giving their views of her prospects the
ture He thought the house should at least pass the
solution if for other than remind that com
Judge BATTLE, Of n. C., moved to lay the motion to
the s # a ~ the table n.
this motion and decided in the afirmatve-ayes, 3d.
noes, rs.
The ORDER OF THE DAY
The special order of the day then came up Il was an
amendment offered TO the third article Of the constitution
which reads as follows
will give the article in full with the amendment so as
to render the subject more Ineligible
The bishops this church. when shall be three or more
shall whenever General Conventions held for separate
house With right to originate and propose for the
ay and when any proposed act Shall have the House
Of Deputies the same shall be transmitted the House Of
The Convention shall be authenticated by both Houses
their appreciation disapprobaon he latter with their rea
sons in writing within three days after proposed act shall
thereof shall have the operation law But until there
tending General be member "a oio and
shall vote with the clerical deputies the 10 which he
belongs and a bishop shall then preside.
The following is the amendment which is contained in
the Journal Of the last Convention the constitution provd
ing that any amendments to that instrument not be
acted upon until the session of the Convention next sue
cceding that at which they offered
Whenever General Conventions held the bishops this
church shall form separate house. with the right originate
and acts for the House of Deputies
and all acts must pass both Houses
Mr. HueH DAvY EVANS. Of Md, who proposed
the amendment, addressed the House at some
length in support Of the amendment He was
almost entirely naudibe to the reporter but enough
OF the tenor Of his argument could be heard show bis
main object to be TO place both Houses equality
He was not heard by twothirds of the members pre-
DR.. TRIAL, Of CAL said he desired to make few re-
marks on the proposed amendment He said was with
uniegned sorrow that he found himself opposed the
proposition OF the distinguished gentleman from Maryland
from whom he had been accustomed to learn with reve
renee for many years past He merely for the pur
pose of bringing before the House, by resolution but
to embody in his remarks amendment which he would