The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-04-13


an opportunity given 70 them Of expressing their opno
n some way Or other the subjects which will DO
heIe discussed Our object viii naturally be, not 70 i'm
pose-eher upon the question OF reform other
pont-apy conditions upon the Italian States and people,
out TO recommend ~ them what consider for their
own nenent and for the safety CT Europe II may be
eome source OF satisfaction yonr ordshps TO know
tneugh the disarmament, which should heartily wish 10
sse ake place Immediately as preliminary to the
gIesn u not yet decided on, yet that both Atria and
Piedtaoat hare formally made declaration ta Mey so
noafack one another and thar they tH abstain from hos
au'es therefore, unless some untOward and almost i'm
possible accident should we NAV hope that peace
viii not be broken and tina. the congress which will pro
in those results which your ordships and all Europe de-
sire (Cheers)
AUSTRIA PROPOSED TO GIVE UP LOMBARDY-LOnD
PALMERsTON PREVENTED 1T.
In the House OF Commons the 2sth uit. the Attor
ney General for Ireland said that with indulgence OF
The House he would offer to them explanation upon
question OF personal character The noble lord, the
member for nverton was reported to have said during
he confusion which attended the adjournment Of the de-
bate Friday night that he (he Attorney General for
reand) had mestated matter in reference 10 Italy and
ord was member in the year 1913 was merely that
Lombardy should be constituted into duchy, under the
control Of Austrian Grand Duke while further
reported that he he Attorney General for Ireland) had
acknowledged that he was mistaken upon the point.
Now, he had made such acknowledgment, and he be.
ieved that ne had not in any way msrepfesented the
noble lord.
On the oath of May, which was date subsequent to
that to which the noble lord had referred the following
OHer was maze 10 nm, appeared paper NO. 3I1
among the documents relating to those occurrences
BARON HUMAELAUER TO vIsoouNr PALxERsroN
My LoRpIn conformity with the permission which You
ment q the Lombardo PiedmOntese question.
enclosure in No s77)
Lembardy would cease TO belong to Austria and would be
other Italian State she might choose.
10 that communication the noble lord replied on the Sd
june that unless Venice ioas included he would not make
of an arm Jaar hoar
Later ia the evening Lord PAIMERsroN sad-I wish TO
take this opportunity Of making short explanation
point on which the right honorable gentleman the Attor-
ney General for Ireland made remarks told
the carly part Of the evening The right honorable gen.
tleman am told, in reference TO explanation which
made on Friday night in answer to some parts Of his
Speech asserted tonight that upon further inquiry he
had found that his original statement perfectly
rect have not had the opportunity Of referring TO do
cuments but speaking from memory wish TO say that
the proposal which Baron Hummelauer stated to be
was authorized 70 make was that Lombardy should be
duke In connection with the Austrian empire At that
time the Austrans entirely out of I0bardy It was
in possession Of Sardinia and the other Italian troops
said to him that Of course the English govern
ment had no power TO determine upon those matters
All were asked, and all could do to give advice
to the King Of Sardinia, who ut that time the prnc
pal agent in these transactions and recommend any
arrangement which thought might be satisfactory to
all parties; but said that was an arrangement which It
would be idle 10 propose. WAS not likely at the King
Of Sardinia would evacuate Iombardy for the purpose Of
restoring to the Austrians He replied that that was
ne was ordered TO that would
take 10 90 back to Vienna and would recommend any
rapgement which might have the effect Of rendering Lom
hardy an independent State, discovered from the Austrian
empire. said that that no doubt great step ia ad
vance, but be must recoec that Venice and part of the
Venetian territory also In state Of practical indepe
dence that armies were marching from all parts Of Italy
cooperate with the King of Sardinia for the purpose Of
freeing the northern part of Italy from the Austrian dom
nation, and that was unlikely that any arrangement
would be consented to by Sardinia which did not include
in portion of the Venetian territory The King of
Sardnia said, was not likely to consent to any ar
rapgement which would have the effect simply of adding
to the territory Of Sardinia and would leave Venice be
restored 10 the dominion OF Austria which the moment
had been shaken off, Baron Humrnelauer stated that he
would return TO Vienna and submit government the
which had made to bis proposal but before any
result could arise things Italy took different turn the
Austrian government having BY it's armies reoccupied
ment must be considered altogether at an end
Mr. WHuEsIDE-The noble lord has not at all affected
respecting the future destnes Of Kingdoms
not allowed to rest in vague conversations The
is that Lord Ponsonby appsed the noble lord by prev
communication that the royal family of Austria we're
willing to give up Lomblrdy provided fair settlement OF
the national debt could be made and the noble lord was
apprsed that Baron Hummelauer was coming 70 England
to that proposal The noble lord is quite right 10
ing that the first propostsn of Austria was that Lom
hardy should have separate administration, separate
government-which think was q great ofer--that il
should have national army, and government accepta-
bic TO the people, but Parma and Modenn were TO be
thrown IN and the whole TO be governed by member Of
the Austrian royal family. The noble lord objected To
that proposal be tells but think this has escaped
him. that Baron Hummelauer down statement Of
the result of those interviews and the impression made
upon him by the noble lord and then he wrote to state
the principles upon the bases Of which any
could be made and he said, 81 enclose you statement Of
those prime es The first passage Of that statement is
the sentence which read tonight that Lobardy should
be entirely free and independent with its own government
If England would undertake the settlement Of the affairs
Of Italy upon those principles True is the paper pro-
ceeda to FAY, that necessary apprse the noble
lord that the same terms would be offered Venice
Ausrin would not give up Venice but that should have
separate administration and The D0hle
from the oath Of May to the Sd Of June TO consider that
oer, and venture TO say that he had then golden op
portnny OF settling the affairs Of Italy Upon the Sd Of
June the Baron received his answer that Venice must be
included in the arrangement. That was refused and
and the noble lord omitted to say that in the foowing
month Of August he offered settle the affairs of Italv
the terms that had been proposed by the Baron on
he oath OF May but he told il ate-had been
Away too late from that time; believe will be too late
or the future. (Cheers).
From The London Herald Carl Derbys organ) March 2e}
We were somewhat astonjshed at the boldness with
which, Friday evening last Lord PaImerston denied
charge made by Mr. Wbitesde towards the close OF
his admirable speech respecting the noble Lords refusal
1S48 TO accept az basis OF negotiation the ,ndepcp
hence Of the whole Of Lombardy repeatedly offered by
Austria and the acceptance Of which advocated by
Lord Ponsonby. The exPremier met this accusation by
saying that "the proposal made was that Iombardy
should be erected into separate duchy to be connected
with the Austrian empire, and presided over by an
Austrian arcbduke." It is our duty 10 expose this
papabe misstatement to which, however, we hesitat-
I'd TO allude in our impression Of Saturday last
Although aware that ths version Of what had
occurred was altogether incorrect, yet we scarcely
whether TO attribute the naccuracy 70 forgetfuness
the part Of Lord Pamerston a settled DISCRIMINATION
suppress the truth We trusted that after due reec
ion and inquiry the exPremier himself would have ac-
,nowedged his and have endeavored to repair the
wrong. In this we were disappointed, and the course
by the noble lords organs in persstng the de-
,iai given to Mr.. Whiesde by reproducing the false
uttered In tho lower branch of the legislature
md obstnately conendng that the Attorney General for
eIand is in the wrong relieves OF any decacy on the
nbject, and compes us, however reluctantly 10 break
silence.
During the struggle Of 1S48 Baron Hummelauer the
Austrian PenpoentiaJy was sent by his government 10
his country for the express purpose Of negotiating with
ord Palmerson basis Of an arrangement of the LON.
Jar do. Piedmontese question.
After Intellectual attempt arrange that basis on the
I'D Of May and to which Intellectual attempt Lord Pal
alluded In his reply to Mr. Whteside on the oath
he Austrian penpoentary enclosed TO Lord Palmerston
statement which he deemed solution OF the question
n this memorandum 1t Is stated that Lombardy wouId
Gaze belong to AUSTRIA and would be free either n
eman independent TO unite herself to any other Italian
tate che herself might choose She would take upon her
elf, the other band, proporonate share of the Ans
ran national debt which would be transferred dentyelv
md irrcvocably to Lombardy The Venetian state would
unda tha araiU nr