The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-09-15
THE SPLIT OF 1858.
Grand Battle Between the Hards and the
Selts-Tvo Conventions and Two Tickets.

from Special Syracuse Correspondence Of the NV York
/ HERALD Sept Is, 1858
| PRELIMINARY MOVEMENTS OF THE FACTIONS 4
SPLIT DETERMINED ON-THE WAY 1T WAS CON-
| spMMATED ETC.
/ SYRACUSE Sept 49, 1883
The following among other curious scenes incidents.
&c took place in the OF the proceedings Of tho
nhai monious democracy assembled in this city to day;
The outside and inside delegates OF both factions uuon
repairing to the City Hail. the place desgna.ed for holding
the Convention found the door locked and the key miss
ing. general rush then ssk place for Brntnells Hotel
which filled, o rs utmost capacity. Neb,4ty
could tell who was delegate and who mot, and for
9 while the must intense confusion and excitement aud
confusion prevailed.
Gen. wARp-I hope the people the platform who
not delegates will leave the platform This dsgraceful
hope this Convention will be orderly.
Mr. COtHR.NE-1hey will be quiet at twelve O'Clock, sir
is not twelve yet Applause and hisses.)
Captain RYsDERs-lt s now ten minutes Of twelve.
| wish somebody would ask benedcuon on the Convcn
vorcE-Do it yourself.
Captain RYNpERs-i would, with pleasure but Pm not
delegate. Burr, come up here. Van Buren will do
That's all shall go for his doing in the Convention
daughter and applause.)
paorm and allow delegates and contestants to come 70
| the trout Of the hall.
The platform was covered with strange mixture Of
| people, including shoulder htters oyster house poliu
| Clans and number Of other persons.J
Gen. WARD (Westchester) wanted to ask Mr.. Cochrane
Mr.. Van Buren, they would not agree that every
from the city should leave the PLATFORM and
delegate should leave the hall He would pledge
every country democrat to the same course.
Mr.. CocHRAsE--f will answer General Ward in a mo.
| ment, aud do il by authority. {Hal hal hap We are
all here as Union democrats lBahD We are here as
national administrations. (Appausc.) We are here to
sustain the Baltimore platform and the Fugitive Slave
us and il there is the persons holding 1t enemies to
the paryoes to the country, the party and the admins
| Eation.
There was considerable noise, and dissent from
/ Mr. Cochrane's speech.
| Gen WARp--Gentlemen, allow a moment Mr..
CGchrane has made several statements which crafty
ing me, but be has not answered my question asked
| the people TO leave the platform
Mr.. CocHRANEhs twelve o'clock and the Convention
ought be organized (Cres Of Eyes, yes; let's so
MINOR C. STORY chairman of the State Central Commit.
tee then proceeded read the call Of the Convention,
and nominated Ira p Barnes (hard), OF Chenango, for
| sapcraiy chairman Al the same moment,
&r. MADDEN, OF Orange (sofr), moved that John D.
Skinner Of Wyoming (soD, be temporary chairman.
Cries Of .sNo, no'' $50 Barnesl' "Let's have
votel and confusion worse COMPOUNDED" now ensued
Mr.. SxISsKR-Gentlemen, will you hear me. never
will consent 10 occupy this chair unless by the consent of
the majority OF this Convention.
Mr.. GROVER, of 4llegany lsoftl, moved that Messrs
Barnes and Skinner should both act as elers TO cali the
roll Of the Convention.
Captain RyNpERsYou never get roll; every scat in
the Convention is contested.
SEVERAL voIcssWhat right have You to talk. You're
not O delegate (The Captain was quiet)
Mr.. GRANT fhard>, of oswegol move that both gen
| hemen act as temporary chairmen, and each appoint
/ tellcrs
After considerable noise this was agreed TO- Messrs
skinner and Barnes acting CONFORMITY charmen Ar.
Barnes named Mr.. Grant, Of otsego, and Mr.. Skinner
| named Nr. Madden of Orange, as telers.
General WARD moved that the Convention proceed 10
appoint secretaries. Somebody nominated Cocrane but
his seat contested, and he gave way. William Fl
Russell (hard) Of Ulster, and Hiram Becbe (sofD
! appointed
the Convention was then proceeded WITH and the follow
ing named delegates answered 10 their names The hards
thought they had majority Of the unoontested seats but
over half dozen, and those were doubtful
Gen WARD, Of MISREPRESENTATION that quiet is re
stored, and the call completed move that this Conven-
ton do take recess until four O'CLOCK
Now there ensued of unparalleled confusion.
The shoulder htters the platform called out ono adj
journmentn mo adjournment" .'St down "Put him
out - "Throw him over ~ Question and all at once
rush made and several delegates jostcd of the plat
form Il is said that weapons drawn, and
knife or two, but whether for attack or defence we can't
say.
Gen. WARD continued speak, and pressed the main
question IN the face OF many motions made tn adjourn to
Market Hall. He said that he had doubt that tho
in the majority. Confusion and cries Of 'tNo, no.
JoHN CocltRASE-I move the yeas and nays be called
Mr.. BARNEs-It can't be done.
Gen WARD-Then call for the question IN the usual
way. Cries OF 'Nol mop 'Iet us have the yeas and
nays--no adjournments' Groans)
Mr. BARNES then put the questonAn those in favor If
adjourning till four O'Clock will say "Ayen good many
said aye" All those opposed VII say "No.' And
there were great many who said No.n
Mr. BARNES decided that the ayes were in the majority
and the softs made 4 terrible
Mr.. SKINNER said he was IN doubt.
Mir. Concentration, let us have the yeas and nays
won't take great while to call them ;reat confusion,
and cries OF go il Cochrane'9
j IT.
everything but this cannot say that believe General
Wards motion was adopted.
Gen. WARD then attempted to speak, but his voice
drowned by the noise Ut stated that at this time
raj of the imported bues stood by the side Of Grant
and would have struck him had he been defended by
friend who was armed) There more cries for the
yeas and nays.
Mr.. BAKsEs-The yeas and nays cannot be called in
i assembly like this
A yor1:-well haven't you adjourned the rneeting7
Mr. BARsEs-fcs the Convention is adjourned till four
oeocs Barnes and number OF the hards then left the
| hall They never returned.
Ar. SKINNER afterwards said that the list which had
been called had been accepted correct the Convention
had consented to accept the proposition adjourn 10 Mar
Ret Hall al four O'clock and at half past one the hall was
clearcd-the fighters moving after the fashion OF Mr..
Toots friend, who had no one to "double up"
During the recess the hards had various conferences
and was generally understood that they would return
to Brinnal Han AT three O'Clock they met in private
caucus in of the parlors of the Globe Hotel General
| Ward in the chair. The meeting addressed by
Hessrs. Maurice, Mike Walsh John Wheeler, Gen. Ward
Edward surens, Ausburn Birdsa and others, in favor
of cutting loose from the barburners altogether and
going INTO convention. Mr.. Grant, of Oswego, made
speech in favor Of fighting down the rowdes and opposing
l shoulder hitting 10 shoulder hitting.
Mr.. BRDsArI, OF Brooue, moved that the delegates
present DO 20 INTO convention at that place and that MI
Barnes be requested 10 resume his place temporary
1 Chairman, which motion carried.
Several delegates said they thought they rSing
Their lives by gong among the softs and their DULLES
The hnrds then formally met in Convention in the la
dies parior Of the Globe Ho,ei-about fifty delegates
| present.
Ira =. Barnes, Of Chenango was called TO the Cair
and Messrs. Wait, Of Washington and Russell Ulster,
1 appointed Secretaries pro tm
IL was now ten minutes past four O'Clock, when Mr..
| James Mabbeu Of Duchess appeared and coni,rred
l with the President. who said
| eenNsmen--i have been waited upon by James Nab
bet Of Drtehess, requesting my attendance Bri1tna
fa TO ACT as presiding officer in conjunction with the
other individual who claims to have been selected for that
! purpose My reply s, that myself and friends do not
consider ourselves in safety in assembage contned
and oyerawed by bulos imported for that purpoae. l
therefore respectfully present my compliments to tho per
sons there assembled and decline participating frilier
! therein. Great applause)
1.-The two Conventions proceeded to nominate separate
hckets, upon distinct platforms and both were beaten at
the polls Since tina, period many Of the leaders o. the
hards have coqueted with the American party and some
Of the sofs have affiliated with the republicans. The
Albany Regencys tactics however seem TO have been
the same on the 18th September 1859 as on the same
| date in 1853
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