The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1859-10-15


Seventh Days Proceedings.
LONG SPEECHES COMPLAINED OF-THR BOOK CT
COMMON PRAYER--PERMANENT GENERAL CONvEN.
MISREPRESENTATION OF BISHOPS.
RICHMOND, Va, Oct u, 1859.
The Convention met this morning at the usual hour,
hall. past nine O'Clock.
The morning religious service read by the Rev.
ALEX. H. yISroN Of Pa, and the Rev. f. vNroS of New
York.
The President then called the Convention to order, and
the minutes being read and approved
The PRESIDENT called for reports from standing commit
tees, when
mitted the following report
The Committee Expenses whom referred the
Of The as that y have
tina. there due the money advanced
@ s s oesssss M s s's ss when the
There T sen remain deficiency for
carried forward consenion @ another The Trea
account shows $500 81 paid out while the total
rate adopted BY the last Convention The increase
crease saceny 10 meet an eSpsnde by the
Sc from 70 S ss Re- long
RssoSed ne rsa s and
to draw upon the docesses for their
Of the Indebtedness of this committee.
DR.. CUNNING, Of Michigan, from the Committee Tn.
finished Business, submitted the following report
given journal last General convenon as careful
he s s s $ s
open friendly intercourse with the church IN sweden
Pages q and l7sZA resolution respecting committee to
Pages II and 5i-A resolution for the appointment of
typographical errors in the authorized YER
Page i2Tie report Of the Rev. Dr. Stevens upon the
Page i2sA resolution BY Rev p rraper respecting the
journals Of this Convention.
Page isOn the subject of the translation Of the prayer
Pages n and sA from The House q Bss
Pages q and report Of the special committee on
Page correspondence in reference to the Episcopal
Pages 6i 49, is7 and Ths consideration of certain ar
ces Of the constitution WIS and which have already
Pages l77-The subject Of the music Of the church.
On motion of Mr. CHURCHILL of KY, the report of the
Committee on Expenses, given above, adopted.
The SECRETARY read the following message received
from the House of Bishops
ens The bishops has Obtained
ssprssasSP
viii be reserved for members Of the Convention
take place il ST. Panis prayer to
at nine O'Clock and the conservation at ten
Mr.. HENRY A. TAYLOR, Of Ala, offered the following
Resolved That the speeches of this shah restricted
70 fifteen minutes In duration unless by the unanimous leave
He said that too much time occupied by long
speeches. and there were members present who had
three thousand miles, who were precluded from the
transaction of their business in the Convention by this
practice Of long speaking Many Of the speeches de-
vered he had listened to with great pleasures but while
that So he would candidy say that others Of these
speeches had grieved him. At all events, he deemed II
necessary in order TO secure the transaction Of ali the
business which the Convention had in charge, to cural
the speeches. He did not look upon this body poti
cal body, who had an extended time to listen to lengthy
had
take that view Of the subject and adopt the resolution
DR.. HIGBEE, of New York, asked whether there was
precedent for translating from political assemblies
resolution of this character.
The CHAIR answered in the negative He said a simi-
lar resolution was adopted at almost every session Of the
Convention.
DR.. HIeBEE-It might have been adopted late stage
Of the session. but in the present instance he deem
ton as this There are necessities, such as arise at
the close Of the sessions, where such resolution
might be introduced without reproach to this body, but
this not the time for its introduction. Ho sure
they were not in the habit Of making long speeches, and
there were many members he knew who made no
speeches at all, and who were Notwithstanding willing
far as he could ascertain TO listen to the sentiments Of
those who may choose to speak They should wait till
later period OF the session before they applied this restrc
on when probable such would be rendered
necessary by the limited period allotted for the discharge
of business He had not the pleasure of being here
the opening Of the session. but since he took his scat in
the house he could say that there speeches
which could be deemed too long He hoped the rcsolu
ton would not be adopted
Dr. WILMER said that in the midst of some remarks
that he had been making OH Yesterday the special
DER he heard report around him that the special order
which was amendment to article of the constitution
was TO be withdrawn whereupon he promptly took his
scat, deeming any further remarks unnecessary upon
subject which was after to be removed from the
consideration of the House BY its originator After that
however, he Observed to his surprise, that gentleman
had actually spoken hour and fifteen minutes upon
the same subject and while he had listened to it, he would
say that his patience was somewhat taxed and that his
experience led him to the conclusion that short speeches
consistent with the proper despatch Of bust
ness He thought the longevity Of that House would be
eloquent expressions of kindness and courtesy to their
bishops He therefore in favor of the resolution.
Dr. Hill, of California; said that there subject
only in which he had direct interest," and after that was
disposed Of he pledged himself he would unite with plea
sure in promoting any that would best tend
expedite the business of the house. He had speech TO
make upon subject, and he would the house
that he would not utter unnecessary word prolong
it to any extent that would be deemed unreasonable He
could not however, conne his remarks to fifteen minutes
for the subject was of too much importance to be dealt
with within so short period 1t related the house
would remember from the resolution which he proposed
on Yesterday to the election Of missionary bishops for
Nebraska, Utah. Arkansas, New Mexico and Ari-
zona 1t was subject which involved the pro-
gress OF the Church He agreed with his brother from
New York CDR. Hgbee) that the resolution was prema-
ture If his friend ir. Taylor) would allow IT to sumber
until Monday he would cheerfully it. but bcliev-
ing it was unnecessary at this stage Of the session. he
would move to lay 1t on the table,
Mr.. CONRAD, of Virginia, said if the gentleman with
drew his motion to lay on the table, he would to
amend the resolution by substituting Monday the period
after which only fifteen minutes speeches could be made
I'LL WitluTeW HIS nOuOn, ana MT layl0r having
accepted the amendment, the resolution was adopted
Mr. MEMMrSGER, of South Carolina, offered the folio wing
preamble and resolutions
Whereas the preamble adopted by the House
Of Bishops the eighteenth day of the last session of the
General Convention In relation the Book Common PRAYER
and published the journal said Convention disturbed
the uniformity Of worship which should prevail throughout
church. and have been received in various
authority for deyang from the rnbcs and whereas in the
opinion OF this House. such change lawfully be
except by the joint action of both houses In General
ton made known 70 The several and adopted 10 tho
manner prescribed by the constitution the church, therefore,
Resolved That the House of Bishops hereby respectfully
requested to reconsider the said preamble and resolutions
q separate action the subject matter to send
as may deem expedent to be acted the manner
quired by the constitution the church making alter atoms
In the Book Of Common Prayer.
Mr. II D. EVANS, Of Maryland offered the following
Resolved de House Of Bishops concurring be made
known q the several Diocesan Conventions that is proposed
TO alter the constitution folows:-
J. Strike out the three first articles
2 Insert the following three articles
Art / There shall be General Convention Of the Proes.
tant episcopal church in the United America
sising Of House Of Bishops and House of Clerical Lay
Deputies. The two houses shall be ordinate and earh
shall right to originate