The daily exchange. [volume] (Baltimore, Md.) 1858-1861, 1859-12-13

intend to know, or at least | do, as far as que,
tons and answers can bring it from the representa-
yves OF the Democratic party of the Souther
States, whether they sympathize with such sent
| ments.
Mr.. lvERsoN.-I am ready to answer at an,
time, and will do so, to your hearts content
Mr. JoHNsoN, of Tennessee, proceeded to discus
| Mr.. MasOn's resolution, replying to Mr.. TrumbulP
defence ofthe Republican platform He denied
! that Congress possessed any sovereign power over
! the Territories. Its powers were merely those
| given by the States and the Constitution. He ask
ed Mr.. Trumbull what he would do with the black
| population when il goes into the Territories
! Would he let free cOlored people, who emigrate
there an equal footing with the white popua-
ton! Let us reduce their theory to practice, and
! see how it will operate. Will he under the idea
mat all men are created equal, and that the power
OF the Federal Government is SOVEREIGN in the Ter.
rtorles, allow the black population equal political
rights with white people?
The Senator from Illinois had spoken of a slave
| holding arstOcracy, comprising only one out of
sixty OF the PEOPLE OF this country. But this, he
said, was mere sophistry and he proceeded to show
| that the emancipation of Southern slaves would, in
TACT increase the political power of the South, for
instead of only threefths of the slaves being rep
| resented politically, all would be. NOtWthstand-
ing the declaration that call men are created
equal, the Northern States were unwilling to al
! low free blacks to reside in them.
! Mr. TRUMBuLL explained. 1t was the abstract
truth that all men were created equal but when we
| come to form governments and organize a society
! an persons don't have equal rights The asser-
non IN the Republican platform, copied from the
declaration OF Independence merely an enun-
cation OF great national right in the organiza-
| uon OF society. We infringe as little as possible
| on that natural right But no government is per-
.ect, ana therefore we do, in Illinois, make dis
JUNCTION between the whites and blacks, and asc
| between the political rights of men and women.
Mr.: JOHNSON asked him if Arizona colonized
ana @ hIIed up altogether with free colored people
would he be willing to admit it as a State unOr
an equal footing with the other States of the con
| fed .racv?
Mr. TRuMBULL answered that he would not admit
| any community applying to become one member o
| the cOntederacy, bv the admission of which he
| supposed he was endangering the peace of the
| Union itself In his Judgment, there was a distinc
| uon made between the white and black races
| made by Omnipotence. lie did not believe these
TWO races could live happily and pleasantly togeth-
| er, each enjoying equal rights. without the one
| uomlneerIng over the other. Therefore he advo-
Gated the policy of separating these races by adopt
| ing system to rid the country of the black race
as IL becomes free: He would say he should not be
prepared, under the existing state of things, to adj
mt, as sovereign State of this Union, "A communi-
| ty OF negroes, nor Indians either
MIR. JOHNSON thanked him for that admission and
! proceeded to show whence John Browns foray
| originated; and read extracts from Jefferson's
works, and other documents showing that both tho
! elder Adams and John Quincy Adams contemplated
the idea OF dissolution of the Union John Adams
refused TO contribute to an Institution of learning
Il
should be dissolved it, would not be in his section
Mr' JOHNSON also took up Mr.. Stewards ROches-
ter speech, reading copiOus extracts embracing the
poruoh speaking OF the irrepressbe conflict be-
tween slave labor and free labor. He denied that
| there was such conflict The only conflict was
| between labor and capital, and there was always
| antagonism. He spoke eIouuentlv in the defence
OF the Onon: lie would rather, he said, see this
country involved in hostiites with every civilized
country on earth than engaged in civil or servie
| war; and he went on to denOunce John Brown in
| strong terms as hOrse-thief and a murderer in
Kansas lie was surprised he said to hear Mr.
| Doolittle apologize for him the other dav
Mr.. DooLTrIE said he made no apology or iusti.
| ncatlon OF Browns act. The people of the North
! nave no sympathy for his crime, but many have
! sympathy with the individual himself He had
stated some facts and circumstances preceding the
dll!culty, cndeavoring to point out the school in
! which Brown was educated to take life upon the
! slavery question He now read some extracts from
| the history OF kaHsas, by Governor Geary's pri-
Vate Secretary, cOrrobOrating his previous state.
mentS; and he declared, that bad and wicked as
TINS toray was in Virginia, it sinks into insignifi-
cance when compared with the foray led into Mis-
! sour, by Daniel X. AtchisOn. One was of Brown
ana ms twenty men against great State: but
! what Is that when compared with the invasion of
hansas with almost five thousand men, when Mt
the time e the invasion there were not three thou-
| sand voters in the whole Territory.
| MT Johnson continued his remarks in dcnuncia-
non OF Brown, quoting the letter of Mrs Dove to
Governor Wise. 1t seemed like righteous retribu.
| ton that Brown and his two sons should lose their
lives for the murder of Doyle and his two sons in
! Kansas.
! Mr.. DAVIS reported that the Committee annointed
to wait on the President had discharged that duty,
and that he informed them he would send in an OK
| ecutlve communication tomorrow.
On motion Of Mr.. MALLORY, the Senate then ad,
! iourned
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
The House reassembled at noon.
| MT hILGoRE said, in consulting with his friend,
| he found that they were almost unanimously
OF the opinion to proceed to ballot for Speaker
IN order to bring about an organization. The Ad
mlniStration was almost without money as well a
without friends, and he wanted to provide for tb
| former need. He wished to tell gentlemen on tn,
other side that the Republicans will not shrink from
discussion. At the proper time they would debat,
the question which has been introduced until all
| parties were satisfied.
Tie would take the first opportunity to examine
the condition OF things at the North and South -
| They had been informed there would be a dissou
| unn of co-partnership. He wished to examine
bow the account stands and who has been doino
! wrong.
Mr.. MAYNARD said they had been engaged week
and had taken only three votes for Speaker. Mucf
of the time had been occupied as if in Committe,
OF the Whole on the State of the Union discussinf
! questions necessarily incident to an attempt t,
effect an organization. They had seen the bad con
sequences OF neglect to effect an organization il
the interruption and disturbance coming from th,
galleries, without presiding officer to preserv,
| order. Under these circumstances he offered ,
resolution that the oldest member of this House
by consecutive service therein, be appointed Chair
man till the House shall elect Speaker
Mr.. kGLGoRE objected, on the ground that the
| resolution was not in order.
Several other gentlemen also objected
MIR. MAYNARD referred to precedents in supper
| OF his resolution, and showed that John Quincy
Adams was once appointed Chairman till a Speaker
| could be elected. His proposition was simply fol
the preservation of the order, dignity and selEre
spect OF this body, while the eyes of this grea
nation and the world were upon the Representa-
| tives of the people.
Mr.. STEWART, of Maryland, said it was necessary
there should be comparison of views, while at tn,
same time the order and dignity of the Hous,
| should be preserved. National men had voted f,,
Mr.. Bocock, while for the candidate of the Repub
lican party not one member from the Southern
States. The latter standing on sectional plat
form, how could it be expected Southerners coult
give the gentleman their support? He Mr. Sher
man) had signed the recommendation for HELPER
book, which would stick to him like the shirt 0
Nessus.
He never would consent to vote for the adoption
of the plurality rule. The Union meetings at thu
North amount to nothing. They are n delusor
unless there be corresponding healthiul action. H.
believed there was conservatism and intelligence
enough at the North to rebuke such sentiments
| uttered by Mr. Seward. Now was the time f.,
them to rise in their majesty and vindicate thei
| national sentiments.
He vindicated slave labor as applicable to th
| South and thought that it was by the act of knt
| Providence that the African was brought to thi
country II the next Presidential election shoul,
be determined in favor of those Northern sectona
views, he believed the Southern and Pacific State
would deliberately take counsel together to provid
a remedy.
Mr.. KLGoRE asked him whether he was not il
favor of the majority ruling.
Mr.. STEWART replied that he was but under tn
limitation of the Constitution. He cOntended tha
by the decision OF the Supreme Court the peopl
of the North and South have common RIGHTS in in
Territories beyond Congressional control.
Mr.. kLGoRE wished to know whether the ones
ton before the Court not as to whether Dre
Scott was citizen of the United States
Mr.. STEWART thought the question came up a
one affecting the power of the government
Mr.. kILGORE inquired whether, if MIR. SewarC
should be elected, the candidates of the Democrat
would consider that a sufficient cause for dissOlu
ton of the Union?
Mr.. STEWART replied that whenever the Repub
lican candidate would submit to be catechised tina
question would be answered on the other side
Mr.. KLGoRE said he has answered
MIR. STEWART remarked that he was not Mr. Be
cocks organ, and therefore he could not say wha
! he would do
| Mr.. KmGonE said if Mr. Bocock answered tn
vote for him, namely:
Are You in favor of opening the African slav
| trade? Are you in favor of Congressional prnteC
tiOn Of slave property in the Territories? Are yo
in favor of popular sovereignty in the Territories
and its right to admit exclude slavery therefrom
Mr.. kilgore said he was ready to answer thes
questions for his candidate.
Mr.. STEWART replied that the Democrats wer
: acting on broad national grounds
MIR. HASKTNS proceeded to pay his respects to tn
newspaper (COnstitatiOn) of this city, which b
said was the hand'oI gan of the President. The ru