The daily dispatch. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1884, 1859-10-12
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ed by Mr.. Evans, a long debate took ntsca sss "
Before the Secretary had finished their -. ),
ing, MIR. Cunning, of Mich. moved thai f,,-
Their reading be dispensed with. and that tina
propositions be at once printed FOR the use 81
the House. - -
DIR. Tinton, of Pa, moved to amend bv ra-
ferring them TO the Committee, and thai the
result of their labors be presented to this
House in type.
Mr.. Newton, Of Mass. moved to amend tha
amendment by laying the proposed Canons
on the table and having them printed for the
use of members.
DIR. Higbee, of New York, said these proposed
Canons involved some of the most difficult
subjects that could bc brought before the
speciaily the last. lie thoughtmost
of the clerical delegates would say, the less le-
gislation upon the subjects, the better. He
hoped they would be printed, and full time
given for their consideration.
MIR. Taylor, of Va, said the proposal to
print was altogether out of place. A member
asks reference to a committee, and we are
proposing to print that which may never come
before this House. He made point of order.
proposal TO refer is not amendable by pro-
position TO print
DIR. Higbee replied, that he knew it belonged
to legislative bodies TO extend the courtesy of
reference; but the gentleman knows that this
nj n RI nnndc n
manner. We meet but once in three years,
and probably sit bnt three weeks and when
the proposition comes back from the commit
tee, little time is left for its consideration
The House wanted to understand ii. and he
believed there was no explicit rule on the SUBJ
|ect. The motion TO print was compliment
to the author of the proposed Canons.
DIR. Stevens, of Pa, called the attention of
members TO the proposed amendments to
Canon TX. of 1853 which he thought should
be likewise printed. lie would add as an
amendment that the Commiceee on Canons be
instructed to report their views on Saturday
next, and that the subject be made the order
tor that day at o'clock.
DIR. Mead, of Conn, asked if the House had
right to order joint committee to make a
report to this body at any specified time!
Or. Talbot, OF Ind, rose TO speak, but the
hour of u having arrived, the order of the
day-the proposed amendment to Art. Ill. OF
the Constitution-was called up.
DIR. Littlelohn, of Conn, moved that the
vote on the question be taken to-day at /
O'Clock.
After some debate, Mr. Hill, of Cal. moved
to amend by substituting half-past O'Clock.
Judge Hilliard, of Mass, hoped that no time
would be fixed for stopping debate on a SUBJ
lect of SO much importance. The speeches
thus far had been mostly on one side and he
thought it would not be courteous to prevent
others from expressing their views.
DIR. Vinton moved that the motion and the
amendment be laid on the table. Carried.
tnla af p2 faoira flaaf ff,aft
resumed his remarks. He thought he had al
ready said enough to show that the proposed
amendment was repugnant to the Con yention
1t seeks to epitonise in four lines those senti-
ments which arouse jealousies between men,
bers and between the two Houses. 1t would
be impossible for this House to surrender the
right to originate acts and to know their fate
when sent 10 the House of Bishops for their
concurrence. The speaker wanted members
to have the most perfect confidence in the
House of Bishops. After he closed his re.
marks
Mr.. Geo. S. Yerger, of Miss, arose and said
he was panied TO hear remarks yesterday of q
character tending to turn the venerable body
of Bishops into ridicule. If u stranger had
come into this House and listened TO the dis
cussion, and had been afterwards asked what
was going on he would doubtless have re-
plied-"I don't know; but believe the House
has a resolution before it to abolish the House
of Bishops" 1t had been charged here that il
the amfndment be adopted, it will give addi-
tlOndi power 10 lHe BISHOPS, ana tnat tney
will be disposed to ride over and Cypress the
clergy. This is a serious charge. With all
respect fer the House and for the gentlemen
who participated in the debate, he said that
charges Of this kind should not be nude. He
did not believe that an instance had ever oc-
CURED, in which they. attempted to tyrannize
over the children of the Church. Mr. Yerger
continued his remarks at great length, Tin the
course OF which he once occasioned much mer-
rment by inadvertently saying, !" Mr.. Presi-
dent and gentlemen of the Jury!'') and closed
by offering the following resolutions
ReSolred, That thu House of Clerical and Lay
Deputies approve OF the principles embodied IN
the proposed amendment of Article / IL. of the
Constitutions; but
not provide for, or give power to, this House to
oriEInate aad propose acts for the concurrence OF
the House OF Bishops, and as there is no clause in
terred, other than that contained IN the third Arti
Gle, rs it now stands. which renders it doubtful
whet her such power exists: Therefore,
hesotced, That the proposed anne ndment of said
third Article be, and the same is hereby, rejected.
eReSolesi. further, That the Committee on Cauons
be dTscted to prepare amendment of said Arti-
Gle embod ing the PRINCIPLES contained in the PRO-
ther declaring this House to have full power and
authority TO originate and propose acts for the
hs az the Of ssAos
n. c., from the Committee on the ConsecTa-
tion Of Bishops, asked leave to report to the
House the following resolutions of the House
of Bishops:
Resolrea. That the testimonials from the re-
spectiye Dioceses, of the election of Rev. Alexan-
der Gregg, d.. D., as Bishop OF Texas, Rev. w. II.
g. + Bode, B. D.. as as ASSIST Assistant m Bishop ei oho
and Rev Henry B; Whlpple, D. D., as Bishop of
aud the testimonials havins been signed by a ma,
jerty Of the Clerical and Lay Deputies, this
Resotrsd. That this action be transmitted to the
House of Clerical and Lay Deputies.
The consideration OF the order of the day
was resumed.
Mr. Hunt, of N Y, wanted to see equality
existing between both Houses, and thought the
objections to the amendment We're purely
imaginary. He had made up his mind to vote
for it, but when he heard the remarks of the
distinguished delegate from Maryland, Judge
Chambers,) and other gentlemen, he had
doubts as to its expediency, and now thought
some such action as that proposed by the lay
delegate from Mississippi, should be adopted
Mr.. Evans, of Md. fthe author of the
amendment TO Art Ill., said he had heard
enough to convince him that it could not pass,
aud therefore moved that the whole subject be
laid ON the table.
The motion was carried-ayes 132 noes 3e
This matter having been disposed of, DR..
Talbot, of Ind, obtained the floor and offered
the following:
Resolred, That the House of Clerical and Lay
Deputies inform the House of Bishops that they do
net concur with the action Of said House, fixing
next General Convention but adhere to Chicago.
DIR. Stevens suggested committee of con-
ference.
MI. 'laytCf, Oh Va, aslSeO tue mover 10 With
draw his resolution, in order that the resolu-
ton OF the House Of Bishops might be read,
then the Honse could vote on the question of
concurrence.
Dr. Talbot Withdrew his resolution for that
purpose.
The resolution of the House of Bishops, se-
lecting Philadelphia, was then read, and the
Chair put the equestion-wiil the House concur
with the House of Bishops in this resolution
The vote resulted--ayes 81, noes w. so the
House refused to concur.
Mr. Pendlston, Of Ohio, moved that the
House adhere to its original resolution--and
ask Committee of Conference.
Mr. Edward Stanley. Of Cal, made speech
4 ca inst fshicaan and in farnr of PhiladAlnhia.