Saint Paul weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1858-1859, 1858-08-28

ples,"- fighting 1t in the Jeffersonian, Wash
ingtonian, and Madisonian fashion. Laugh.
ter and applause.l
Now my friends wish you to attend for
little while to one or two other things in that
Springfield speech. My main object was to
show, so far as my humble ability was capa-
BILE of showing to the people of this country
what believe was the truth-that there was
a tendency, if not conspiracy among. those
who have engineered this slavery question for
the last four or five years, to make slavery per-
petual and universal in this nation. Having
made that speech principally for that object,
alter arranging the evidences that l thought
rendered to prove my proposition, c"hclu'
ded with this bit Of comment:
ave cannot absolutely know that these
exact adaptations are the result OF pre,con-
cert, but when we see a lot of framed tlmbers,
different portions Of which we know have been
gotten out at different times and places, and
by different workmen-Stephen, Frankli'
Roger and James, for instance-and wh'
we see these tmbers joined together, and see
they exactly make the frame of house or a
mill, all the lemons and mortices exactly fit
ting and all the lengths and proportions If the
different pieces exactly adapted to tho re-
spective places and not piece too many or too
few-not emitting even the scaffolding-or il
single piece be lacking we see the place in
the frame exactly fitted and prepared yet to
bring sach piece in-in such case we feel it
impossible not to believe that Stephen and
Franklin, and Roger and James, all under
stood one another from the beginning, and all
worked upon common plan or draft drawn
before the first blow was TAKEN" Great
checrs.]
When my friend, Judge Douglas, care to
Chicago, on the 9th of July, this speech hav-
ing been delivered on the 10th of June, he
made an harague there, in which he took hold
of this speech of mine, showing that he had
carefully read it and while he paid no atten-
ton to this matter at all, but compllmented
me as being "kind, amiable and intelligent
gentleman" no withstanding | had said this,
he goes on and eliminates or draws out, from
my speech this tendency Of mine to set the
States at war with one another, to make all
institutions uniform, and set the niggers and
white people to marrying together Laugh
ter.) Then, as the Judge had complimented
me with these pleasant titles, Il must confess
to my weakness,) l was little "taken,
was not very much accustomed to tiattery,
and it came the sweeter to me. was rather
like the Hooscr, with the gingerbread, when
he said he reckoned he loved it better than
any other man, and got less of it. (Roars OF
laughter.) As the Judge had so aattered
me, l could not make up my mind that he
meant to deal unfairly with me; SO went
to work to show him that he misunderstood
the whole scope of my speech, and that |
really never intended to set the people at war
with one another. AS an illustration the
next time l met him, which was at Spring
field, used this expression, that [ claimed no
RIGHT under the Constitution, nor had L any
inclination, to enter into the Slave States and
interfere with the institutions Of slavery
He saws upon that Lincoln will not enter
into the Slave States. but will go to the banks
of the Ohio, on this side, and shoot over !
(Laughter.) He runs on, step by step, in the
horse chestnut plan of argument, until in the
Springfield speech, he says, unless he shall
be successful in firing his batteries until he
shall have extinguished slavery in all the
States, the Union shall be dissolved.' Now
don't think that was exactly til; way to treat
kind, aniablc, intelligent gentleman. (Roars
of laughter.) l know if | had asked the
Judge to show when or where it was [ had
said that, if didn't succeed in firing into the
Slave States until slavery should be cxtin-
guished, the Union should be dissolved, he
could not have shown it. understand what
he would do. He would say, Il don't mean
to quote from you, but this was the result Of
what you say" But have the right to ask
and do ask now, did you not put it in such
form that an ordinary reader or listener
would take it as an expression from me g
Uaughter.)
In speech at Springfield on the night Of
the 17th l thought might as well attend to
nv own business little, and I recalled his at
tention as we'll as could to this charge OF
conspiracy to nationalize slavery. l called
his attention to the fact that he had acknowl-
edged, in my hearing twice, that he had care
fully read the speech, and still had put in no
plea or answer, | took default on him.
insisted that had right then to renew that
charge of conspiracy. Ten days afterwards
| met the Judge at ClintOn-that is to say,
| was on the ground, but not in the discus
sion-and heard him make a speech. Then
he comes in with his plea t, this charge, for
the first time, and his plea when put in, as
we'll as | can recollect it, amounted to this
that he never had any talk with Judge fancy
or the President of the United States with
regard to the bred Scott decision before it
was made. Qincoln) ought to know that
the man who makes charge without know
ing it to be true, falsifes Is much as he who
Knowingly tells falsehood and lastly, that
he would pronounce the whole thing a false
hood; but he would make no personal appli-
cation of the charge of falsehood, not because
of any regard for the "kind, am;able, intelli-
gent gentleman" but because of his own per-
sonal selfrespect! Roars of laughter. I
have understood since then, (but tuning to
Judge Douglas] will not hold the Judge to
it if he is not willing) that he has broken
through the 'sselfrespect," and has got to
saying the thine ou' The Judge mods to me
that il is SO. Laughter. 1t is fortunate for
me that can keep as goOd-humored as do,
when the Judge acknowledges that he has
been trying to make question of veracity
with me. l know the Judge is great man,
while am only small man, but feel that
haze got him! Tremendous cheering.
demur to that plea. / waive all objections
that it was not filed till after default was
taken, and demur to it upon the merits
What if Judge Douglas never did talk with
the bred Scott decision was made, does it
follow that he could not Lave had as perfect
an understanding without talking as with it ?
am not disposed to stand upon my legal adj
vantage. am disposed to take his denial as
being like an answer in chancery, that he
neither had any knowledge, information Or
belief in the existence of such conspiracy
am disposed to take his answer as being as
broad as though he had put it in these words.
And now, ask, even if he has done so, have
not l right to Drore 1t on him, and to offer
the evidence of more than two witnesses, by
whom to prove it and if the evidence proves
the existence Of the conspiracy, does his broad
answer denying all knowledge, information or
belief disturb the fact ? 1t can only show
that he was used by conspirators, and was rot
leader of them. Vocferous cheering
Now in regard to his reminding me of the