The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1858-03-04

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iargh'o NJ sesn' 'o 'peaIrg As n sn ionvioton OF
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my LSve state 'oscriheh on the G'-' c"r' Ion hey
ever ~vo'e arc "hcN' nooe IN toh VIII '-w4h as iong
~ we have acnsttnto"-that -'s"d"s az" 81 are Dan
gerDu 10 nn.rtt. ten You sr, thsS Al my Oh egnt
zen n'utsic men or i've ~ hV' h-ussha men, as .n1
ni r'op So. To o.se ~r" n- m-s"s o, Isnsp9r~'ioo
wit he rsp nv 0f girinf py neans Oh rairoaas from
ole .od ~ the country 70 the Other IA iorce eqaa 70
'a Il would hove ne EN- IN o'den times We nao one or
s~o hundred tDourand men rne rresiaent Gao, u no
pieasee, concentrate shem at any point any momont
and for any puT sose DO not know now u " ous tns
aw bas been construed thai these armies are %
bev posse and under the name OF posse he can Hsos-
port them any place any purpose he chooses Il Ia
. significant fact N my mind that he has under
taken to play posum with them at eieceons.
Not long ago there was call made
TO bave portion OF his posse 20 10 Baltimore and
see that the elections were regularly carried on there
Se and they did not CO. bu. he did have posse in the
city OF hineton to carry on election and no small
portion Of this iorce-ths possehas been employ and
IL now being employed to Illustrate perfect freeaom
ana popular sovereignty" in kansas have an ofhcia
table before me, by which find that in tho hrs quarter
Of 1sbb three hundred and twenty one men were con
sas Tne next quarter tney went up TO nine nundrea ana
twelve and The first quarter OF 1856 we had got up 70 one
regnty Kansas and leave the people thereof perfectly
free Then we come 70 the nrst quarter o AMI ~
sand three hundred and forty men IN kansas Iney
30 continued until the commencement OF me ourtn guar
ter Of e6! which suppose WAS about the Isl OF Octooe
last AT that time there had been an eiesuon IN Kansas
and the people OF Kansas had manifested what their
ideas were o popular sovereignty and perfect Heedom
by putting the Presidents forces int very small
minority and electine free State legislature free
state oeegste " Congress by an overwhelming majority
and Immediately upon that the federal army Is raised
thousand FIVE hundred ana sixteen ia Kansas. That
what the President needs THIS army iorto carry out
force eighteen thousand quite enough do that
and think that e26 o0OWO In time Of profound peace,
enough TO spend upon an army in this country parcu
lary long as We have TO borrow The money to do
with Borrowing money in order 70 raise men for such
purpose am utterly opposed 10. Ibeeve that there
is difficulty in Utah, the army is three times large
enough TO attend to It. do not profess 10 know much
about this Mormon war VIII say in the outset, how
ever, that do not believe IT, nor in the necessity for
the tremendous expenditure that IL being made be-
lieve that commissioners bad been sen. to pre-
cede the army, they would nave superseded
the the sss honorable " Senator n' from @ Georgia says
have not declared war against the Mormons Has he
forgotten our modern history He is well versed in an
Did we ever declare war against Mexcof No, sir But
will tell you what we did declare We declared that war
existed by the act Of Mexco We may declare by and
bye that war exists by the act of Brigham Young apd
il be rene ated az many tunes in Presde ena message q
the other statement that war Vas commenced BY the
a msn who shall doubt that war was commenced by the
act of Brigham Young will be better than alien and
20 for any other amendment that s proposed which will
limit or restrict the number shall support the amend.
mept which understand my hoporabls friend (Mr Sew
ard) proposes 10 offer that these roops sha be limited 70
the special necessity which calls Tor them; and when
that ceases ,bai they shall cease u exist shall
ger for every amendment that will cut the bill down TO
what the honorable Senator from Mississippi calls ia
skeleton ! shall want TO reduce II TO a skeletsn
and shall 90 against the skeleton after that shall go
against the whole bill
Mr. Foster (oppoeition Of Connecticut and Mr.. Fes
senden (opposon Of Name both supported the amend
ment of Mr.. Toombs.
Mr.. FOSTER was in favor OF striking out the first
section. The reasons given by the Chairman of tho
Committee on Military Affairs (Mr. Davis) bad not
fully satined him. As the committee had differed from
the etary and President in their so
each Senator might well the responsibility Of differ
ing from them. Eighteen thousand men would seem 70
be abundanty suient for the projecting oar frontiers
from all aggression, that say In ordinary In
deed army sent out 10 the frontiers 70 protect
property what has been result Of the polcyS Il has
been 40 far waste and EXPENSE - witnessed by late
events 70 Q greater amount Than has been experienced
for ten years from ordinary rhe fewer troops
sent the frontiers tho better As 10 Kansas and tho
troops there they have been sent there 10 enable the mi
noriy to govern the majority He was not disposed 70
vote increase OF the army for such purposes. He
should vote for the amendment
Mr. Frs<rDU advocated the amepdment, partly 90 the
ground OF economy. 1he increase, ~ shown by the sta
uscs would cost the nation not less 70 IN seven millions
Of dollars annually he would not OBJECT any Necessary
increase Of The army eu, We bad e. no facts furnished
which showed the necessity OF such An Increase There
was no report OF The Commander IN Cnef nor from any
person competent 70 Judge Even the committee had no'
Iurnsneo suon ae M Inc opinions Alone Of ,nc rres
for him He wanted the details As 70 me hormons,
there was much eIgeranon AZ 70 we great strength Of
that people the urgency.s 80 ereai the government
ought 70 have uken measures 70 iurnnh us with the sta
tscs upon which We can reast nAby act Prom ls42 70
1883, the army has Increased from eight thousand 10
eighteen The necessity Tor large increase WAS 70 be ad
mtted on account OF the increase OF our territory But
such an Increase vas enormous ana ough, not 70 DO ex
tended further On account Of tho Indians no necessity
shown, and admitted thasit s not Utah what then sH
am not disposed at all said Mr. Fessenden 70 make an
with tho government simply for asking an Increase
Of four military force II that increase necessary an
ready to vote for H. II makes no difference TO me what
the amount s the exgenoes OF the state demand 40 in
crease OF expenditure IN any quarter am perfectly Will
ing take my share Of the responsibility OF meeting H.
but, with the honorable Senator from Connecticut do
not believe there necessity for this increase, do
approve Of the that has been made OF the army
that believe will be made OF IT, Alusion has bcen made
10 the OF the army In Kansas for the purpose OF
cutting the laws. Sir, have never yet been able 70
understand that the PRESIDENT had the slightest right 10
any portion Of the army there In that way. knox
the power claimed, and Ia claimed under an act giving
the President authority 70 use the army Of the United
States In cases where be might use the militia for certain
purposes but that power never extended 10 the Terri
tories and does not extend 70 the Territories now by
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