Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, Va. [W. Va.]) 1852-1859, 1858-10-21
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Nor Do.-The joint debate between Douglas and
Lincoln. in Illinois, closed on the 18th instant,
and Lincoln ayailed himself of the occasion to
tske very dignifed position in reference TO thel
personaiities9ot the canvass. No man Of this
generation has grown more rapidly before the
country than Lincoln in this canvass
cat Galesburg, said something in regard toI
those Springfield resolutions that Judge Doug
las had attempted to use upon me at Ottawa,
and commented at some length upon the fact
that they were, as presented, not genuine
Judge Douglass in his reply to me, seemed tof
be somewhat exasperated. He said he never
would have believed that Abraham Lincoln. as
he kindly called me, would have attempted such
a thing as had attempted upon that occasion;
and among other expressions which he used to-
ward me, was that / dared to say forgery-that
/ l5ha6 dared to say forgery turning to Judge
Douglas Yes, Judge, 1 did dare to say for
gerry. Loud applause Butin this political
canvass, the Judge ought to remember that /
was not the first who dared to say forgery
AT jacksonville, Judge Douglas made speech
inanswer to something said by Judge Trumbull
and at the close of what he said upon that sub
llect he dared to say that TruInbull had forged
his evidence. He said. too, that he should not
concern himself with Trumbull nny more, but
| thereafter he should hold Lincoln responsible
for the SANDERS upon him, ELaughter.l When
l met him at Charleston after that, although
think that should not have noticed the subject
\ If be had not said he would hold me responsible
torlt, spread out before him the statements of
the evidence that Judge Trumbull had used,
and / asked Judge Douglas, piece by piece, to
| put his finger upon one piece of all that cYi.
dence that ne would say wasa foFgeryI When
EIswent through with each and every piece,
Judge Douglas did not dare then to say that
\ any piece of it was forgery. daughter, and
/ cries of good, good" Soitseems that there
are some things that Judge Douglas dares to do,
and some that he dares not to do. TGreat up.
lplause and laughter. tg5. t5s4Jc5eYk,
/ a Voice-lts the same thing with you.
Mr.. Lincoln-Yes, sir, it's the same thing with
me. i do. dare to say. forgery, when its true,
and 1 don't dare TO say forgery when it's false.
| Ihunders of applause. Cries of "Hlt him
again, Give it to him, Lincoln, u Now, I will
Esay here to this audience and to Judge Douglas,
l have not dared to say he Committed forgery,
andI never shall until know it; but Ibid dare
to say-.Just to suggest to the Judge-that .
forgery had. been committed which by his own
showing had been traced to him and two of his
friends. [Roarsg of laughter and loud cheers
dared to suggest to HIM that he had expressly
promised in one.ofa his publicsp to inves.
tlgatc that matter, and Tdared TO suggest to him
that there was animplied promise that when he
dared, ,toisuggest to the Judge that he could
not expect to be quite clear of suspicion of that
fraud, for since the time that promise was made
he had been with those friends, and had not
kept his promise insrcgard to the investigation
and the report uponit. Loud laughter. Cries
of Good, good, !" "H Hit him hard.'l Tam not
very daring man, [laughter,l but I dard that
much, Judge, and am2n0t much scared about
it yet. Uproarious laughter and applause.1
When the Judge says he wouldn't have be-
lieved of Abraham Lincoln that he would have
made such an attempt as that, he reminds
!p me 81 the fact that he entered upon this
canvass with the purposeNto treat nc cour!
teously that touched me somewhat [Great
laughter 1t sets me to thinking. was
aware, when 1t was first agreed that Judge
douglas and I were to have these seven Joint
Ediscussions, that they were the successive acts
of drama perhaps Isho1ld say to be enacted
not merely in the face of audiences likethis, but
IN the faeesof the nation, and TO somegextent
by my relation5to him, and not from anything
in myself, I'M the face of the world; and am
anxious that they should be conducted with
dignity andin the good temper whichswouId be
betting the vast audience before which it was
conducted ( Butlwhen Judge Douglas got home
from Washington. and made his first speech in
Chicago, Intervening afterwards made some
Sort Of aIreply to it ellis second speech was
made at Bloomington, in8which he commented
upon my speech at Chicago; and, said that had
used Language ingeni6uSly cont rived 10 conceal
my intentions,4or words to that effect. Now,
understand that this is an imputatinn upon my
veracity apdmy candony do notfknow what
the Judge understood BY it but in our first
discussion at Ottawa, he led off by charging
a bargain, somewhat corrupt in, its character,
upon Trumbull and myself that We had entered
into a bdfgain, one of the terms of which was,
that Frninbull was TO aboiitionize the old demoi
cratic party, and I.incoln) was to abolitionize
the oldiwhig party-r preteddihS to be as good
an old line wing rs ever Judge Douglas may
not understand that he IMPLICATED my truthful!
ness and my honor, when he said I was doing
one thing and pretending other; and j mis-
understood him if he thought he was treating
me in dignifed way as "A man of honor and
truth, as he now claims he was disposed to-
treat me-. Even after that time at Galesburg;
when heRbrings forward an extract from q
speech made at Chicago, and an extract from a
speech madeat Charleston, toproYey that I was.
trying to play q double part-that I was trying
TO cheat tho public and get votes upon'o nesetof
principles at one place and upon another set of
principle atlanot her place-I do not understand
but what he inp caches my honor, my ysracity,
and my candor, and because he does this, i do
not understand that | am bound, if Isee truth!
full ground for it, to keep my hands off Of him.