The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1858-07-24

Use CoAony, U In order 70 prevent owl law must 90
INTRODUCED aad that could only be dous By tho Aid Of
shons body OF soldiers tho expease Of which must
40 intended the colony 70 DO successful (Hear,
h.or) something had been said with respect TO tue
E ssmen Of the Indians by the Anercsns but he warned
the right honorable bAronet against being nHus ced By
any mock senmenlality about the In populs for
he might depend upon H that he was a out 70 es.sbsh
colony before which the Iodan popu ton would dissp-
rior civilization Of the white man that the brown
msn ehoud disappear before him--that would be
the Gaze here. Canada, Upper and Lower, hardly
contanod an Indian, because Il pe,pled by
. civilized whiso population. lao knew some ming OF
Cnsds and he spoke iron personal Wedge vhen he
dering Gpses Of this country. They wers disappearing
fast from the face of nature Orc might occasionally
creeping along degraded and miserable ana tina. was the
Indian Of Carada. Tnat was wha. going Ia
there Before that civilization the indians must
and tho more rapidly the better. (Hear hesr) This
might seem harsh and cruel language but Il the Ian
Rusge Of truth. The absorption the red man was an
inevitable consequence. II was MOI mans fault that 1t
was eo but wherever civzstion advanced tho rcd
retired. (aear, hear) He had aostained from intro!
dncng any topic connected with the Hudsons Bay Com
pany into the oscossion, and he had done 90 toe
dersanoiug that he was TO have day on which that
question could BIO debated oy House. To SHOW
was mperatvey necessary that the subject should be
considered without delay be rs"ndsd the House t1. 10
pany held certain territory east OF tbs Rock Noun
aius expired that was pecsSary therefore TO provide
upsn thorough understanding Of the (esr, hear
The House not yet thoroughly in Psseesion o AL the
lhCt5, GignIB cScISeOn wa ne0uo0 tutt
pose Although he contemplated DEF rvirg the Hadsons
Bay Company OF ceIain portion Of Their territory, yet
the rsbt honorable member ior Covsnry mgn. res. o.
the moot liberal sprlt He hoped thai the government
would look upon this question as one Of imresa interest,"
and that they would contemplate the prospect OF stretch
inp the British dom;nicn from the Atlantic TO the Pacifc,
10 create counterpoe f.at continent 20 PoUsr
(Hesr)
Mr. A. MILLS entirely sgrcsd in tho remarss mato by
the right honorable senemsa tho late Coona Secretary,
N ma N ma
70 themselves the o. sag the tioe waea represca
stive Institutions Should % introduced rto shs cosony
AS to the designation OF tho colony ne certainly tad
thought, on seeing the OF the bill, tina. we're
about to egsaae Tor the Freach ISLAND in the SJlth
Pacific. BE hoped that taora wocsG be No confusion
ahou: the matter, such which said
sted o.ce when Governor ~ao ns1 been sent oui 20
colony came home again and Haa be could 40. fAd ig
Mr. wYLD said II mentioned in COCKS Travels to
the Rocky Mountains, published 10 1881, that the terri
tory had been known by ne name Of New Caledonia for
May years.
rue bit then read a second tne and ordered to be
committed on horosy.
DEruIATIoN TO TaE PesMiEs on THE uUpsoN's
BAY QUksTioE
From The London Herald, July
oepntsl upon the sujec, Ct toc tlddsons Bay TEE
rtores bSo 40 aiervew w'n the Earl OF Derby oa Tues
dsy at Dowong street The dsputaon consisted OF Mr..
J. A. Turner ~ p; President ar: j. caseh.,o,M P,
Ashwcth esenlns the naacheser Charloer OF C,m
Mr. Riberisoo SlAost,re, President, and Nc.
John SOUTH treasurer reprs sentDg the Liverpool Fnan-
cal Rsorn alton; OF Dr. aodekin Msssrs. malcom
Lesia, L. A Ch4meroVz,s J. May field g. L. Neighbour
and 7. Ihess.n, representing the Aoorignes Pro.ec
Nou Soce,y and Of Mr. A X isoisisr, representing the
Rel River GaioLy.
Nr. CHRIsry. NJ. p introducing deputaon, observed
tina, be bad b. No first 20 Dirotucs tie sooje before
Parliament tsp years end tnst he hat naturally tskou
csep inferred tae question aud mad watched tic pro-
gres8 with great care ever snoo. tie WAS member OF
the appointed year, which Drought lgat
great deal y. reformation rslatog ~ the territories OF
the Hndson BAY Company: but tas Qlest5n pre-
scented 10 The cofomttee, bad assumed VOC exclusively
jamaican aspect; Fne oter ss Of Ca0aas md been the
chief subject brought before the committee aad very pro
perry So considering zoe Importance OF the colony but
perhaps 10 might say n the exclusion or
Interests Since the pub cs,ion OF ns report, pobc
enon L. ,ns country had been very generally atFasei
TO the noso, shown by toe pubic press, ana oy
the proceedings OF such imr,rtnst pablo oo.es as
were cay represented before his Jrdship rns
mortal about be presented lortshp ,rcatsd
question IN rs wider zDd comprehensive cni-acter
ss atccQ ue u eYess Of The eore AT large Sir Bal yer
Lyttons b for the erection Of COLONY IN NeS Caledo-
MIA ctat sh large ice VI The question: and salts
factory far as IL went; but the depuaon was anxious
that the ove,Dnsni should be prepared 20 deaf with the
vast area Of territory to the east o! the Rocky Mountains
well rs % the west
The memorial having been presented TO his lordsbip
Mr.. VIVID " p, SAID that the qu sSlor had excited
great deaf OF interest both IN Osns1a aud tbs Uucd States
Inc reports OF exploring expodhons which hsd been re-
Gently undersseu IN that country conourrcd in rsore. eat,
ing the whole req lying bet cen Lake superior ana the
Roxy dou.tsIs ~ AZ for colonization. aat pNseaslg
nishdrgrse of isrthy. His ordshp ~as probably ware
asthc United stated bad prrlscted aud pry
carried ou's ne Of RAMSAY witch ~as intended 20 connect
the A-arc With ibo Pacific. rhe rode IN winch ilis
eo,ed wss by grsnuog blocks OF land both sides OF
the rsilroed, by The ssle OF which the OF
sirucbg bo ioe seio dsfrsyed De suggested tnn TIE
excessive prairie region extending from Lsss Wnnepeg
To tic foot the Rocky nouosns Afforded ths nec sacy
laeilives constructing similar Lac thraash
British territory. and thereby ooupeans gresI oier
cccaDc @ilssy, part of which hal already oesn CON
peicd BY the s,le5cd system OF railroads wacn oow
ooppeei Halifax and Noys Scotia With toe extreme hnis
o. Upper Canals.
Mr. RoFBuCK VI p, wa anxious to bring the question
witch toe depulAtoa wished suom' 70 his lordshp TIA
psaoIl pcnt lie old hrst beg 10 1,reci his ofdsh.pB
attention W the gro~ag OF Ihe United stss ~nch
held the whole Country from The forty egnin parallel Of
Ga,1ds 10 the Gull OF aex co. ana destined
be ieIhsps, thc creates; nacn IN tie vd. Air1g the
whp, ~ the funtier line there s1varcns the eide
OF tie United Ssaes toe OF en grafton settlement
10 wnica wAs Il the highest Importance tor Great br
tam t. es'aoah oonneTpoise 20 onso. us. eueroacn
which might oher wise take place On British terri
tory We had such cJuciorpose In Csrsda, m the qua
uy exteBoMg from tee Atlantic soabo-rd 70 tho greet
lakes Bds we advanced westward o. LAKE
sups found totally drersat state OF things The
frDrer 5sses of Viz nesois soa Iowa were rapi5y 1g
ny tie very frontier; but what nsd the otnrr sdH
county whoa with the sirgls ;ep,on Of soiaiei
little colony or Tire Red river bal rot single seiter
thioug- out s whoe cxlont the reason thai ,s
Of that vast region aubjec' 70 tae monopoly
a iur COMPANY THAI company hello tbia extensive coun
try shish extended ton ,ho am parable. 70 inc Arc
&c sea, under trpartre Tenure. lhsre frat the
cooly Vs1couyers lssno, winch mg6t Dc asI.erei
disposed Ct by Tho oonsmpsed fcsump'on ~ the c)ony
by the crown secondly, here Wa tue te-rcry neld
der Lcepse exienai5g from the Rocky Mountains
Pacific, with which ihe receat bill introduced by Sir y.
Iytt.n proposed 70 deal Ter ~ ,nfdly, taors
were The vast territories extendog fro tue cky a,un
tsius Hudstn's Bay, snosn seper's ia1d snr ned
under charter grsntel nearly Two centuries ago bf
Charles H. 20 this territory OF Ruper.s Lana, aud
the charter under witch II was held, tna ne was
particularly desirOus OF drawing ais ioTdshps attention
The compsoys license expired 10 Ma next, snd between
this then IL imperaavey bsssssary thl tao
question OF the legality o. This oasrtsr should %
certapcd Oct OF u spruug the imporisat ques
ton Of the compensation shca was 20 be paid O. ,as
compsny Tor the surrender aay oOa Of tue Territory
OF which might deprive ih5r He cJuif 40 81 Tar
10 say that toe powers claimed ey tue onpsag
proved be valid then pay them for their rights aud got
rid OF them but they were nos rrOved 70 be wand tIsu
get nd 81 them bot do rot tuep. Bat get rid or iaem
muft for ~ vas OBVIOUS tnAt TIC company stool ne
and the cviin ,Vn AID settlement OF that
territory, which be held q be tue mission OF
rnce p,sn 10 North America The ooarosb geo
tepsn then Proceeded to show vrriJus wsys voch
tho qucstioe Of validity Of the ompany's
might be- rased aId 10 urge that Parliament should psy
the expense.
LORD usny acknowledged the desirsbli,y OF tesug tho
yadny Of the charter, sod oil the extent Of ths poser