The Washington union., 1858-03-28

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mission OF kansas He wished to say that no such con
suation had to his knowledge and that he had
not taken part in such conference
MI SMITH, of Illinois. Allow to say the same
Mr. NORRIS, of Illinois, stated that no consul tation
was ever held To his knowledge and he WAS confident
that none such contemplated be held by that
delegation He had frequently stated and probably to the
gentleman Eom Virginia. that nearly the entire democ
iacy of Illinois had taken stand against the Lecompton
constitution long before Congress convened-that they
looked upon great wrong and violation gov
enent and that neither Judge DOUGLAS body else
could, would, ought To he sustained by the people OF
Illinois, II he supported it, II he had been under
stood TO say anything else he had been wholly msndcr
stood
Mr. SMITH, of Virginia, said it would le recolleced
that yesterday he had referred To the gentleman of
the Illinois delegation successor of the gallant Rich
ardson He alluded 10 Mr. MoRRis, who said In free
conversation on public questions and he repeated now
win more distinctness than thenthat after this Con
gfeS had been i'll session. the Illinois delegation at
the meeting of Congress held conference upon the policy
that aecrtain distinguished senator other words Judge
DOUGLAS should pursueupon the Iecompton constitution
ana with reference to securing his election to the Sen
ate OF the United States He had said this i'm converse
ton ON various OCCASIONS and IL the result of dis
/ tnct recollection He advcrted to Il yesterday and he
repeated to-day recollection Of his cinphatca
clear and distinct, and when it told to him he be-
lieyed it. The gentleman had also informed hin that
the Illinois delegation ut the Cincinnati convention had
recommended various appointments the President and
that these recommendations had dsreged and that
tion He would ask the gentlemen from Kentucky il he
/ had not had similar conversation
MFR. BURNETT, Of Kentucky supposed he was the
gentleman referred to. He did not feel at liberty,
placed Y the position he to give the conversation
unless Mr.. MORRIS consented
Mr. NORRIS inquired of Mr.. SMITH where the conver-
sation had taken PLACE
Mr. SMITH replied that Il he had represented the gen
teman truly it did not matter where the conversation
occurred ii falsely he should be exposed and the
place was Of no consequence. He would answer how
ever. after they got more facts out.
Mr. NORRIS continued IL he had a conversation
with the gentleman it time in December last in
| his private at the United States Hotel in the
presence OF his family. He invited him there in a social
way, to enter into conversation with the view of find
ing out whether some plan could not be devised by which
the Kansas question could be settled without the vis
ion OF the democratic party One object of the conyer
tatlon came mp incidentally that of introducing an old
Virginia soldier friend, who came here get pension
In that conversation he had stated that the democracy
Illinois, before the meeting of Congress- with scarcely an
exception had taken their position in opposition to the
Iccompton constitution and that Judge DoueIAs nor any
other man. could be returned to the Senate If he favored
Of that character He also recoected stating
that southern gentlemen ought to have had some charity
for their position He had convcrsed with Senator
DOUGLAS on the subject until after his arrival in
washington and did not know what his private opn-
ions He had taken his position ut home and had
expressed his views freely and unrerervedly He rec
objected stating further and he apprehcnded that out
of this had grown the whole trouble having con
versation with the gentleman from Kentucky How
ever that gentleman had understood him. he had
distinct recollection in regard to it Of stating that when
after their arrival here and after stating that Judge
DouGLAs would take a position ahtagonistc to the Ie-
compton constitution the question occurred as to the
time when heshould make his speech That conversation
however took place between Judge DOUGLAS Col Rich
artisoh and himself Mt Browns Hotel where Col Rich
ardsoi, was stopping He remarked to Judge DOUGLAS
that if he had made up his mind oppose the Lecomp
ton constitution in his judgment he should avail him
self Of the earliest opportunity to deliver his views for
on the 2ls OF December the vote to be taken the
adoption o the constitution, and If he had not defined
his position pSvo,s to that his motives might be called
| In question. SO far he informed this was the
only conversation that had taken place between thcm
and III that opinion the Balance Of the delegation
participated. Why he should come to the gentle
mn from Virginia and state that their course was
taken solely With the view OF returning Judge DouG-
LAS to the Senate, he was entirely at loss to
determine he that gertcinan's Warm personal
friend. He again repeated that ii the gentleman from
Virginia or the gentleman FROM Kentucky had under
stood him otherwise they had entirely sapprehened
what he said. He might have said and doubtless did
say that Illinois had not been very well provided for in
appointments, but not that the delegates the Cncn-
natl Convention had made certain recommendations to
the President. How could they have made those
mcndations when that convention held before Mr.
| Buchanan elected No recommendation hal been
made, and the gentleman had msapprchcnded him. He
might have said, and doubtless did saw that the dele
gates in Congress- not the delegates TO the Cinriia
Convention, bad made certain recommendations to the
President and that the persons they had recommended
al not been appointed Here then the gentleman had
substituted the recommendation of the delegation in Con-
gress for that of the Cincinnati Convention He did not
seek to carry the matter any further
Mr., SMITH inquired whether Mr. MoRRIs was willing
| for Mr. BURNETT to speak.
| Mr.. MORRIS said he had no objection
Mr.. BURNETT then attempted to make his statement
! but met with numerous objections which caused
considerable confusion As as order was restored
! all objection withdrawn when Mr. BURNETT proceed
cd with his remarks. He would say this in advance
The gentleman from Virginia some time since in a con
vesation when discussing the action of gentlemen who
differed with the democratic party the question
and the reason OF their course, detailed to him. in sub
stance what he had stated to the House He remarked
that he had had substantially the same conversation with
Mr.. MoRRs Subsequently Mr.. SMITH came to him and
said he intended to refer to the yersaion inub and
asked his consent to refer to his with Mr. AlpR
which he declined to give The gentleman from Iinss
had applied to him this morning for his statement when he
said to him what he had said to the he could
not make statement about the conversation unless il
was called for Now for the facts. The time he could
not fix and did not remember time early after the
commencement Of Congress he met Mr.. NORRIS on the
street in company with another gentleman member of
the Housc He introduced him to the member, with
whom some conversation cDsucd which he did not
remember. Mr.. MORRIS then requested him to call at
his ROOM as he desired to talk with him He his
way to the War Department and his return he called
aud they had the conversation lie did not pretend to
give the whole conversation but they commenced talk
ing about the position taken by the distinguished senator
from Illinois and his colleagues in the House on the
Kansas question He understood Mr.. MoRuIs to state
distinctly that, upon conference, the friends Judge
DouGLAs had agreed and determined that Judge DouoAs
should pursue the which he had taken on this
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