New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1858-08-26

in kripg his batteries until be shsl have ex.
pguished Slavery in eli the sates, .as Unios shall
"be dissolved Now / don't think ,hst was exactly
the vsy TO tres. skind Anable intelligent gentleGsr
ReSrs OF laughter. krow II lad asked the Judge
TO show when or where It wss hsd SID thatE
ddn'! succeed N frirg into the slsve s:a:es unrl
Slavery should be sXtnguished, the UGion should %
dssclved, he could ret hsve shown IT,. uIders:s1d
What he would do. He would ssy, " don't mean 20
quote from you but this was the result OF vhst you
say But have he tight to ask, aud do ak nov,
did you rot put il in such form ;aa: 80 ordinary
reader or sterer would take L a. ar expression from
me Laughter.
Ia speech at Springfield, on TIE nigh. Of she l7ta,
thought might IS we'll attend !, my cwn ousirsssa
little srd recalled his att enon as vel sc could 20
this CT arge Of conspiracy 70 nsiorahZs slavery.
called he attention TO the fact that be hst acknov
EDGED, in my hearing twice, ths. he hsd carefully
read the speech ard in tie language OF tue lawyers
he had twice read the speech, and stl hsd put n
10 ples or answer took deisElt Oh MIN. Insisted
thai had right then TO renew that chs!ge OF coz
spirscy. Ten days sf:erwsrd / met the Judge at
ClLtor-ths, is 10 say, sas on the ground but not
in the discussior-srd heard him make spesca.
Then he in with his pies TO this barge, FOR the
rcoect il, united to this: that ne never had any
talk with Judge fancy the President OF me United
Ststes With regard to the bred Scott decision before
vss nade-I Iircor) ought TO know that the n 81
who makes charge without knowing II TO be true,
falls lies az much as be who knowingly tells false
hood; AID tsty, thai he would pronounce the whole
thing fsfehood but be would make no personal sp.
pcsticn Of the charge Of falsehood not because Of
sry regard for the kind amisbls intelligent. gentle
uar, but because Of his own personal selt.respect
Roars OF laughter. l have understood since tnen
but turing 70 Judge Douslasl viii no. hold tie
Judge TO il II be 10 not wiling that be has broken
through the "selfrespect," and hes got TO saying
the thirg out The Judge mods TO me that il is
90. Lsus hter. Ii is fortunate for me that can
keep as good bumored ss ! do, when the Judge
acknowledge III ct he hss beer trying 70 make q1es
ton Of verscty with me. know the Judge is grea.
nsp, while am only email man, bu. feel that
have got him. Tremendous cheering denur TO
that ples:: waive al objections that y vas not
filed til after tie default taken, ard demur TO L
upon the merits. Whist If Judge Douglas never did
TAX with Chief Justice fancy and the President be-
fore the bred Scott decision was made, doee follow
that he could not have had as perfect az understand
irg without taking az with il am not disposed 10
stand upon my legal advantage. | am opposed to
take his denial as being like al answer in chsncery
that he neither had any kno Wedge, information or be-
lief in the existence of such conspiracy. AN di5-
posed 20 take his beng broad as though
re had put il in these words And now, ask, even #
he he's done have rot a right to prove ton him.
and TO offer the evidence OF more thsn two witnesses
BY when to prove III and if the evidence proves the
existence of the conspiracy, does his broad answer de-
nyipg all knowledge iniorma or belief disturb the
TACT II can only show that he was used by conspra
tors and wss not a leader OF them. Vocitefous
Now, in egsrd TO his reminding NE of the morhl
rule that persons who tell what they do not know to
De tue faI-lfy as mncn ee InCse VINO
falseboods. ! remember the rule, and it must be
borne in mid that in what have read TO you, do
not Say that know such conspiracy TO exist 10
that reply, believe it, Ii the Judge says thst do
10. believe IL then he says what be does not know
and falls within his own rule, that he who asserts a
thing which he does not know to be true, fslses as
much g he who knowingly tells falsehood. want
10 call your attention to little discussion that
brarch of the case and the evidence which brough.
my mind 70 the conclusion which expressed as my
belief. II, in aIrsying that evidence, had stated
sny thing which was false erroneous il needed but
h at Judge Douglas should point ii out, and would
have taken back with all the kindness the world
do rot deal in that way. II have brought forward
anything not fact, If he will point /. out, it will not
ruiiie NE to take It back. But If ne will not
point out anything erroneous in the evidence. not
rather for him to chow, by comparison OF the evil
depce, that have reasoned falsely, than to call the
|" kind, amiabe, intelligent gentleman liar
Cheers and laughter. II have reasoned to false
conclusion ii is the vocation of an able debster to
show by argument that have wandered TO sn erro-
neous conclusion. want to ask your attention to q
portion OF the Nebraska bill, which Judge Douglas
has quoted Ii being the true int slt and meaning Of
this act not to legsate Slavery into sny Territory
" or State to exclude it therefrom, but TO leave
tie people thereof perfectly free 70 form and regu
late their domestic institutions in their own way,
subject only to the Constitution of the L ated
"Sa,es." Thereupon Judge d. ugl las sndOtiersbsgan
to argue in favor of Popular Sovereignty the
right tf the people to have slaves if they wanted
them, ard to exclude Slavery if they did not want
Ohio (Mr. Chase, believed 4" we more than suspect
"thst you DO net 10 allow tie people TO exclude
Slavery if they wish, and if you do mean it, accept
" an amendment which l propose, expressly author
" iziDg the people 10 exclude Slavery believe l
have tie amendment before me which was offered,
ard under which the people Of the Territory, through
their proper rpie sentaiives might, If they saw Mt,
prohibit the existerce Of Slavery therein. And now
State il ss fact TO be taken back if there is sny mis-
take about il, that Judge Douglas and those acting
with him. voted that amendment down. Tremendous
applause i now think that those men Who voted
il down bad real reason for doing Tney know
the bred Scott decision pronounced holding that
under the Constitution the people cannot exclude
SlsveIy-I cay it looks to outsiders, poor, simple,
anable intelligent gentlemen" great Laughter as
though the niche was left place to put that bred
Scott deciion in Laughter and cheersl-a niche
which would hayo heen spoiled by adopting the
lie R VIZ III. 5aS .s. this wss not
ana COCO nauredly point out to these people what
thar swelling ass iii up ypS'qg the amendment
may be provoked 20 call somebody liar. Tfemsn.
dors spplsuse.l
Again: there lie in that same quotation from the Ne.
braska bill this clause; 1t being the true intent
and meaning Of this bill not to legisate Slavery into
any Territory or State" hsve always been puz-
zled TO know what business the word State had In
that correction. Judge Douglas knows. He put i,
there lie knows what he put II there for. We out
iders csLnot say what he put it there for. The law
they were pa sing was rot abou, States and
making provisions for States. What was il placed
there for After seeing the bred Scott decision
which holds that the people cannot exclude Slavery
from Territory, II another bred Scott decision shall
come, holding that they cannot exclude il froma
State We sha discover that when the word w.s orig
inaly put there, il was in view of something which
was 10 come IN Que time shall see that it was the
other halt OF something Applause. now ssy again
Il there is any different iesson for putting Il there
Judge Douglas, N a good humored way without
ealing any body liar, can tell what the reasoa was
lReneWeo cheers