The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1858-05-28

peal conversation, and did not tax my memory with
] kns that was amazed when heard that money
bees uaie q secure the passage Of the bill may say
at va ~stonisned, because had never heard one
brd ayout from the time OF the con versatiou have
% related after my Interview with Mr. Stone came on
re and do not think that ever spoke 70 him af or
Iss; was taken sick at the National Hotel with the
lease, about the 10th OF January or little after that:
attend ance on the sessions Of the House became ire
liar and paid no attention 70 'his or any other
N; j had some little embarrassments OF my own,
grew more sick. and indeed paid no attention
any les lsAAve business ut last became i'll that DR..
i oefuoed that must rot 60 TO the hall Of the House
more that my case question OF life or death;
y startled me; weat home and was very sick until
or June SO much 80 that my recovery despaired
.. had you no other idea when you suggested that
% should be raised for Greeley than influence HE pa
TT A. None whatever.
Did you not suggest to S,or that members OF Don.
ess could be influenced If money raised for that
rposeY A. No, sir not for that purpose had not tho
hottest idea when suggested that the fund should DO
sea OF M being used 10 the city Of Washington 10 Affect
smbers Of Congress.
O Have you had any conversation with Stone late
Y A. On my way here called on him, but he did nos
me anything; he sad that it was great while since
, AFFAIR had happened that he could not remember II,
that he was astonisned At the questions. ..
Y Did be not undertake 70 relate what he had said
GU. this nstterf A. Yea, sir, somewhat.
DID he say he hsd deposited any money with VOL
W a. why, no.
ne and his paper wsre already right on the question
Because there great deal of difference between
ng what was right in the ordinary way and repubish
! statstcs, putting them in pamphlets and circulars,
d circulating them In districts; that was my idea; l
ond not have told him TO 60 to Greeley unless ne nsd
en- already right because that would have looked
" question was how much labor he should sestow m is
seved money 70 influence his vote on the passage OF
bilf A. Not hundredth part Of . MILL am IS in
Did you see SAM Lawrence in Washington during the
session A. No, SIR not TO my recollection do not
collect having seen him but once, and that in the
ngress before, when happening TO 60 into the Of
Committee on Claims ! believe saw him sitting
He'd you any conversation with him in reference 70
sMers OF legislation A. There might have been some
ng said--I just went into the room and saw him.
O. Did you ever have conversation with Mr.. Stone, in
.shingon elsewhere in which you intimated TO him
I money would have 70 be paid 70 members Of Con
sesY A. answer most positively, never
W A. No, sir.
CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT SPENDING MONEY.
Na you tell Mr. Stone in any conversation here
in New York, or anywhere, while this measure was
nding that the course he was pursuing would not
ss2 A. told him there were Influences around and
II thought he would find 1t difficult unless he
. Did you give him to understand that money would
We 70 be paid 10 members A. Never.
Q Was tina. the inference you wished him 70 draw
IN what you told himf A. No, SIR; told him there
re outside Influences.
Q Did you or did you not tell him that II a certain
houAt Of money paid the tariff could be passed.
~ IL could not be passed without R A. 1 never did.
2. DID he not say 70 you after your making PROPOSE
q 70 ray money 70 influence the votes OF members OF
seress that he would not pay money for such pur-
II the bill never passed. A. He did tell that he
puld not pay any money.
Was not thai an improper answer 70 the suggestion
have stated 10 the com ittee you made TO him9 A.
said 70 that he had heard money would have be
ID, and IL Was for me 70 say whether he was rightly
ormed or not; my opinion then that he could not
! the bill through unless he employed some agents 70
iuencc.
Q Some agents to influence members Of Oongresss A.
o When Mr. Stone was before the committee be was
ked expressly whether you ever proposed TO pay Nom
lrs OF Congress-Did your A never did
o Mr. Stone says you didY A. ! never did, and he
d me the other day that he did not testify that
hArrEsoS HAD HEARD OF MKMBaRs BEING PAID MONEY.
Md you make this remark TO him after hrs refusal 10
money-''You are doing good In your way, 20 and
Dirk ali you can; will do what can In my wAyf" A.
cannot tell; you are asking about conversation Of
ieh have only general recollection; never de-
that he should pay money to members Of Congress-
tod me he had been troubled 10 death at the uea Of
wing 70 employ means, and had heard OF such things.
r. Did you not tell him that he would have 10 pay out
sney that way to influence mem oers Of OongressY A.
old him that had heard that there outside innu.
ces, agents who sought 70 be employed the money was
10 be paid 10 members, but 10 gentlemen who infu
ICED them who called on them and reasoned with them
bought Mr.. Stone would not pass the bill unless no
Dyed agents, but never supposed he would or recon-
z. You recommended him 70 use money! A. He asked
whether he could get the bill through without Il, and
o. Did you not tell him that by the employment OF
se OF money he could possibly get IL through A.
}, sir; IL was my opinion that II could not be done In
Al way.
o. How vas II TO be done, IN your opinion9 A. By col
npg statistics circulating them In the congressional ds
cts, and getting members right
I do not think We talked here.
Q. Mr. Stone says you ddY A. He told me n New
that he did not say 80; my recollection rs that Mr.
never exchange word with me here, except 70 say
Coed morning.
O You told him, you say that would be necessary 70
spoy drummerss He .sked me wnether ne could u,a
n thai did not think he could
Q You did not suppose the money would 90 70 MEM
o How ala Won en- oecs that these men would influence
smscrs Of Congresss A. i supposed that he would
poy agent who understood the matter who would 90
embsr. and all down and reason Win him; and sup
sed the agent would sant 70 be paid for doing this;
ink thai every gentleman y influenced by his friends
,rsung certain course; and these agents vii not do
o. That vas your belicfp A. Yes, sir.
q no YOU not remember any conversation In which
,u toid vr stone 70 go on and work In bis way you
,ud work In your wayY A. do not recollect anything
the hind; may have said, on parting with Stone,
You DO as we'll az you can; win do what can"
o. Did you then Alude 10 your intention OF pursuing
nerent course Of operations from hisr A. No, sir;
|ver 70 my recollection, spoke 70 member about this
HI IN reference paying anything 10 secure 10 passage
not suppose the bill could be passed In TIA, way but
y ought that 10 90 important measure he would
Are me assistance OF those who make II business 10
.sh claims before Congress, and Who are called claims
enr or lobby members; knew that such men require ID
be paid.
o. How many were 90 smploycdS A. do not know.
q 10 you know Of any person except Mr.. Soue being
spoy cd here either . lobby member, claims agcn,
any other capacity, 70 procure the passage Of this
nv A. No, sir
IN STONE mzEgKp TO DEsm PERFECTLY prsGusrsD.
o. DO you kbov OF any meuber OF Congress who re-
ived any pay, present, loan money, Who vas 10
is need In any vay attempted 70 be Influenced, m
vor OF this billf A. Never, tn the slightest ~ 70 my
Union about the way business h done hsre, that one
ing have formed aftcr being here many years; Mr..
one told that he bad been bosieged death that
had never known su n state OF things in bis life be-
re- thai when told him thai he would have 70 eloy
rents told him what every body knew be true and
said that he had been laughed a, since his return Home
y doubling H.
.psdersbe sum Of money, the bill would passS
All, In the way Of employing asents did; When he
sed me about that told him thought would be
airy " employ agents 70 get through
.opGg asHwup's EvIpKs,t-Hr Rycnvrs - 900 roBu
George Ashmuu testified that he received ~ 900 from
olcou some tins In March, 1851, for his services
lebby member 10 promoting the passage OF the tsrn
hi hut he did not know Of the manner which another
nj was exp~ndei. lie one OF tnose who minded
. own buspcs, and did not meade with others.