The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1858-05-07

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| CONTINUATION OF TIE EXAMINATIONS BEFORE CON-
MISSIONER BErTe-TBsTsoNy OF JOHN b. MURRAY
AND JAMBs LEONARD-MoRE LIGHT AS TO THE
IDENTITY OF THE DRAFT.
rhe examination the Of Fuller resumed yes
erday morning before United States Commissioner Belts
sad the examination Of Mr. j. B. Murray, Of No. 40 Wall
street, continued by Mr. Robert B. Holmes for the
defendant.
VIII whom did you have the FIRST interview upon the
subject Of this draft and it's nesonktionY
Hr. Hurray-lf you will allow me 10 answer that by
giving detail Of my whole connection with the
Mr.. Holnes-I prefer simply an answer 10 my question.
A. Air Daniel Berrian, Of No. 240 Pearl street.
Q With shOm since yesterday have you conversed
upon the subject Of this draiS A. With my chief clerk,
Henry ". Thompson, and the gentlemen who came
down from the District Attorneys office with pa
per, exhibit CD and perhaps few gentlemen whom
ret IN the street incidentally have nos conversed with
@ Did you not to the best of your recollection, make
some mark or memoranda on the draft Of which Mr.
Fuller spoke 70 youY A. No, SIR.
O. VIVA. did you mean yesterday by saying that you
thought Il strange that you did not fnd any marks OF
dennacaon on the drafsY A. Because II s the rule IN
my office that all drafts and notes brought in either for
collection or nypothecs.cn and for SALE snail De
rsle register, the other in which ali notes ami
drafts left for sale byp0theca:ion are registered ana
the drafts bered The ohe the collection register,
in Which, all notes or drafts left for collection, whether
the United States Earope are registered and
and the ames of the drawers and endorsers
fully entered thereon and find upon examination OF
another hook, which called the day book in which are
entered fer the sale Of bonds and State and city
cutes, memoranda under the date OF April 49, that Mr.
Daniel Berrian presented
Hr HolmesI dd not ask to see the contents Of this
book
The Commissoner-He lie answering your question as TO
the operation Of his own mind.
Mr. HolmesHe is intro iucing the contents Of book
which 90 not call tor. The answer s not responsive TO
Mr. Murrsy-I thought strange that the draft did not
show any number identifying a. having been regster
continue
DO the securities entered on the day book show any
marks of Identification? A. None whs.ever; we have
registers for thing the day book mere memo
rapda.
O. How many wears have you known Mr.. Fuler9 A.
should think between and three think had some
negotiation with him about tome paper. but nothing
coDsummated have never seen him wr,te-(after
deberation)I have present recollection OF seeing
him write, but he has banded me letters which he said
he wrote have had correspondence with him. and have
papers with his signature; think know bis hand
writing.
@ Look at the draft exhibit Che alleged forgery,
is2 1t is impossible for me 70 tell that, cir
Q: Can you tell any part Of the handwriting on that
G. Look at the fly leaf Of Exfoit and state what is?
A. Il IL copy Of my letter Messrs Riggs Co.. Of
Wsehngon in reply to theirs dated 2oth of April in re-
ply 20 mine OF the oath.
Mr. Holmes offered the paper in evidence for the sake
OF ause endorsing the proey Of character Of the de
fentant, and TO show the history Of the draft
VI. Joachirassen ooected, hut the commissioner sd
Fitted the paper and marked il Fl" Exhibit g."
Q At the time you received this draft, was II early or
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between Ten and eleven the morning. because he took
II awsy and wood not leave with me- some one else
wanted TO buy it, Mr.. Berrsn took awsy and did not
hep know that Mr. Fuller had any do with t. saying
of the drafts hsi been paid by the government
the came person who bought them would Guy this next
sawit about twelve O'Clock, the 22d OF April; for
wsreed 10 Washington by the afternoon mail Of that
Gay vas very busy on that day mink We raied over
sixty letters on that day next saw that draft yesterday
in this Office, prcsuming it 10 be the sane
@ Are the Messrs Rggs your Washington correspond
entsY A. Yes, sir, what little have had there.
o
Eecond presentation TO you A. II was Oh my mind ha.
therefore did not examine at ALL and tina. the
OF roy surprise yesterday at not finding my private mark
10.
the paper shown you by Mr.. Berran the frs.
csslonY cannot positively, though it has every APP
pesraLce Of beng the same DRAFT If nothing had been
sad about u should have said was the ssme draft
o. Can you now state any endorsement, on the draft,
except he name James ReesideY A. cav Yesterday on
Il The Of Sbblee strick out do no. remember
nE any other =, the time II vas presentei TO me.
q 20 you renen Der that you the name Of Sbblee
or Miner on that draft AZ the time Wa 70 your
4. co DOT recolect.
@. 10 you recolec any red ink mark cpon ~ A. DO,
81; Z was he due date OF the an positive that
red mark the DRAFT which was presented 10 me.
q you any o.ber drafts similar TO this
!. Yes, SIR but cxurot identity them; no Poet onice
u On Mr.. Berrans second interview with you whA,
iastTuCtons did you receiver A. lie only called once.
| Mr. Fuller brought the draft
/ Mr. Hclmee--I withdraw the question.
NJ. Joacnimsson-Buty yea cant wtoiraS
q who gave you the draft the second trne9 A. Mr..
Furer His Instructions n were for me 20 negotiate
fer him. should think he was 10 office twenty mi
nutes he stood taking With my 'ather long lime
@ Paper Observation-Disclosures from the HERALD OF
late date Of IA draft for sse Have you seen ms be-
fofef A. Yes, saw that in the HfRsLp or TINES. twas
before the negotiation with me.
ler) 10 be msdevas there any other Object than to hold
the government, FOR interests A rna, Was the only mo
By Mr.. Joachnssen-o. Did either Berrian or Fuller
awe you any directions as TO the rate Of Interest you
10 receve A. Mr. Fuller told me that the previous drafts
had been allowed full and consequently ought
be sold for very near s face could hear Of any per-
sbo bad anything 10 pay, think he said he would de
duct fifteen twenty cent from he amount and nle
~ Captain James Leonard sworn and examined by Mr.
JoacamaenI have known the prisoner since the 26th Of
| April when arrested him.
q Did you ak him sner he vas arrested whether he
left any dran with Mr.. Murray ORR Holmes objected,
and the question was aliosed) A. My nrst Interview
with Mr. Fuller at the Washington Hotel No Broad
way, in company with Mr. Bsrrsn and Mr. CALDWELL
been difficulty ABOUT that draft at the same time
introducing myself and Mr. Caldwell Mr.. Fuller asked
6ha The difficulty was Mr.. Caldwell replied that the
dra bad been pronounced by the authorities Washing
ton 70 be forgery Mr. Berran saG thai could not be,
as The drat was not in Washington and Mr. Fuller
in ks possession Mr. Fullc- reply Mr. Murray
must have sent u on 10 Washington then told Mr Fu.
Ter and Mr.. Berran ha the Post Once Department had
requested hat this should be placed toe hands
OF the United SAes District Attorney, and We had all
better and see him, which they cheerfuly acquesoed
|
ney Once Mr. Caldwell took this paper, (eyhba A. the
alleged forgeryD showing 10 Mr. Fuller, and said. "Is
that the drs ina, you iet wth Jshn Murray for nego
uAon ur. Fuller took tnt examined il in front and
the back. ard said that hts mark put the day
mace"F, Nov. 1, 1884, he also stated that be mad
Mir Reside sgu and endorse II, Mr.. y. Brown
ccpt IT, and stated that he introduced Mr. Sbblee 70 Mr.
Reside IN Washington City, that Mr.. Reesde 10
money, anG Mr.. Sbblee advanced this amount N him
he stated that he also endorsed by Mr.. sbsiee
/ Mr. Miner; think that al the parties dead.
| ~ this point the further examination postponed
| until Wedn n A NJ
/ InAsxeaiinR MiaaiQnaIY lnislllRsnes.