The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1858-03-13

neds'E ZION TIE i.ritsr ycveFnrrent
fHk fROrtsJIrpS cf Mr. HARils RELATIVE KANSAS
cohMirTss
me sPsAkEn sinounoef ts' me rt 1d-g question was
&C 'ns aireA OF Mr. Harris iiisOi fem the
to- Chair y OF ooui,; not ,ssd the ouraal and
sta:en.tDt OF the Kansas C0mrnae 20 thox that thu
cssni'ise hal rt executed tbs order % House. for
TIE rea toss the minority cou csse repoy. fro m
aeon aii'e "pd he'~"re II qo--'o Of privilege
M HNEs, opp E. H.. sale tnls nothing but npera
I'VE auty inpeed hin % aise tie qaest11. IL was net
dcce rssh'y. The quo.d by the Speaker he coo
teLdod, w..e 10; .,.goue thai CONSIDER alton.
He au0 Tiers u tho mioo.'y d" DOT grops- 10 make
rercs! rom he committee but merely wish t. snow that
the ~ber members ~ the committee have d.scceyed tue
order Of the House The minority report no bill for lees
!ative action The substantive proposition Ia that the pr
ieges of the Houae have becu ,ufrpged and the. the
minutes Of the committee part CT the majority report
neIetcre te minority had right 70 refer TO- o. produce
but merely production OF facts to susti the action OF
the minority He quoted various authorities TO show that
the House may entertain such mctcn question Of
privilege The doctrine Is laid dowL that When comm;
tee remiss IN duty euceat ground for further pro-
ceedrss In be House this be So how is ever 70 be
known TO the House that's committee rctciss unless that
knowledge Is brought TO the House, aud membeT Ia
sufficient 10 produce the fsctS
hr srxf7s, (adr) ~ Ga repeated that no precedent
.or the movement, az rad been claimed By Mr. Harris,
could DO found in tho records o. the Britain Parliament
or Of any legislative body In the world The gentleman
from Illinois bad not pecducd an authority 10 sustain
him The question Whether the ren:ssress OF the ma
1ority or minority Of committee question Of privilege
authority cou,e be found 10 Hansx-d or any oher
authority. The eeoieoop had utterly failed 70 make
his case He (sr ssephcns) considered ths the most i'm
pOrtapt oveuept ever made 10 the House since the foun
daon OF the gcvevpren. II IL revolutionary and strikes
ct the foundation Of the rules and orders of the House.
under it, operations the Hoose could do no business Mr.
Stephens further con!t tina. the majority must first
make report before tho House Can deter niue whether
the committee have executed the order OF the House He
was prepared 70 show that 1t had been tu,y l.ed
Y tee report IL ret satisfactory 70 the House. let them dis
charge the nmttee AID recomm, the que y.iou
ovor to aio:her COMMITTED He ready meet the
issue, but WIS opposed steway of oysrturnng the
rules and orders Of The House and upsetng parliamentary
law.
Mr. Grow. opp Of Pa, caused be read the rcsou-
t:ois rGce' which TIE committee appointed,
that TIE committee astrucicc ,u.re into all the
ia.s connected with The adoption of the Lecomc.on ~
ettotioo. aud whether said constitution satisfactory
to a majority u the legal voters Of Kansas.
JI STEPHENS rose a. point Of ORDER.
MI GROW Bad thai 1t came with q bad grace from Mr.
stephens who had INDUCED in tho utmost latitude Of
bai4.
strictly 10 che question before the House. If Mr. Grow
~aEedt go ipo AZ Investigation Of Via. tao committee
had doue, he (StephGus) was ready.
Mr. GROW sa:c that Parliamentary lay required that
majority OF tho frienos o. the measure should have beer
put on the committee but the presiding officer had
put majority Of its opponents or. II WAS o correct
principle that Child should not be put 70 with
Gat cares ootLng about it
Mr. WIsrow laam Of N. C., called Fir. Grow to order
The SPEAKER said The question O delicate one, as
Mr. Grow wss commenting On the action Of the Chair
Mr.. GROW resumed, saying that il the majority OF q
committee violate the order Of the House, how the
House To take acton 10 aoertsc that fact unless by tho
statement OF ore or more OF the members Of that com
taiittc.
Mr.. STEPHENS SAID he ready TO show, when tina re-
port comes up, that The committee had examined every
Mr. Grow replied tina, the committee had no discretion
they were directed to investigate call the facts"
Mr.. ENGLISH (aem of Ind asked how they were to
know that the committee had executed order Of the
Hoe under the present aspect of the House. The gen
tic fren Illinois (Mr Harrs) Gays committee have
prosnS H prsfey Inc opposite
was to submit tho official record, which, he 10
derslocd, embraced the entire action CT the com.
roi.se including the report of the majority. Let
each brnch OF the committee put ia their papers.
Mr. QrIrMAS, (acm OF Miss, called the gentleman to
order saying he was ready to show that the committee
The SPEAKER said the reports could be received by gene
raj consent and woui then be proper for the House to
take ouch action as they might think proper.
Mr. ENGLISH (adm OF Ind, appealed to epemen on all
sides of the House to receive the papers and fix day for
their consideration
Mr.. wusBuRs, opp OF Me-, Objected.
Mr. HAkRis (opp) OF Nd, offered a proposition, that
each branch Of the committee be allowed to present their
papers and that the further consideration OF the subject
be postponed TIL Tuesday next
Mr. UNDERWOOD, opp Of Ky, offered similar propo
Objections we're made 10 the reception Of both
Mr. CASuBsIL, (opp OF Ohio, suggested to Mr. Euglish
TO ax provso, to the effect that no nmenemen sh be
made 10 tho report o! the majority in the form OF bill 70
init Kansas long I've members OF the commit
tee desired u be head on the facts.
Mr. Horsros (aam) CT Ala, said that no similar pro-
position had ever been iaade.
Mr. CAMPBELL OF Ohio, aid tha, he recoectod that
foreign state once admitted into the Union by Joint
outoE an why coula lot the attempt be made 70 sd
Mr ColfAr (opp q Ind asked Mr. Eaellsh to modify
bs propct oH toca only for the ufcsl report OF
the conmrt e s proceejiugs.
Sir. STEPHENS aid not know that any official journal vas
icpt There was cek, and no Journal read to the
committee.
Mr.. couAx wsswiline tba, the members Of the CEN.
niiee should conc together and agree upon statement
OF their proceedings
Mr. Harris did not know what the gentleman under
stood by an othoml Journal, but one was kept
NJ sshr'IkNs sas ae aever hesid read and did not
call II official nnless il sanctioned ~ the ooumce
Mr.. MORRILL,, (opp OF W. suggested sn informal cub
tson OF tue eports, ano that the penong question be
M. w,sHw sSs, Of Me-, explained whv he objected
Ia .he proposition OF Mr.. Eogtsn He thoaght II the
House too report d ne majority with tue propo.
s oa o. admit Kansas, would amount To legislative
acton
Mr. SrEhkSs said Il WAS no, the objcc, Of tho commit.
zoe " append bill oo to the JOINT resolution Tor the adj
mission o. Kansas
Mr wMumuRSs, Of Me-You can have your report in.
uoduoed ioto the records o. the committee
Mr. SIHEssl stand upoL the ighis Ct the committee.
Mr.. ADRIAN (acrn) OF y. j., sale they approach
ing definite point. The great excite ent passing
Of II the ptoreeon Of ir English was correct il ought
70 be adopted
Mr ExcusH askci the uuapitnous consent tia, Mr.
stephens and W. Harrs be permted to their
ports They might be printed, but not With b or Joint
resolution APPENDED
Mr. JoSks tadu) Of Tenn, moved that ,bo peadng ap
peal be LAID or the table.
Motion pegsiived by 1o9 against Ill.
The following are the stss on The motion to lay kr.
Harris appeal or the table
YkAs- Mcssrs Ali, Anderson. Arnold. Atkins, Avery,
ss,t. i RshoP pGcOcs GOnaa nswe L.ySs Bryan
cemep: ciiSgTsn Cobb iSsn cceRTsse, cerniyE Craig,
Crsge, Crawford. Curry. Dsvon. Davis of Masssippi
Dcwart Dmmick, DowfeD. Eimunison, Elliott Eusts.
tsulkner Florence Gsrrell 1ills Gocde. Greenwood.
Gregg Hatch. Hawkins HOPKINS Houston hughes huyler,
jackson jenkins Jew-t jones Of CLANCY Jo1es
Owen Jones. Kelly Kunkel Of alrylsnd lamar Iandy,
f<idy, LeteheT Msrlsy, Mcqueen, M.aoo ManSrd Miles,
Miller Mllson, Nb-ok Per dleon, frylou, Phelps Philips
Powell ouimsn. Ready. Reagan. Reilly kufhn Russell,
Sancicge. scales, Scott seward shaw,
shorter Singleton smith of Tennessee smith 81 yrginA,
Ssllwch. stephens stevenson, stewart Talbot Taylor
Of Y; 1rippc syor Of Louisiana, Ward Warren Wat
aims White whitley, winsow, wooJson Morendykc,
Wright Of Georgia Wright OF Tennessee ZoiiicoHer.
ABSENTEE. Mcssrs. branch Caruthars Horace Clark.
Clarke II. Cochrsne Edie Garnet, Hickman, HILL keiu,
McKibben. Moore Morse of Mes York Daniel r. Siskas
Mr. HARRIS said his proposition embraced the whole
case fairly and fully Would Mr. Stephens any other
member Of the committee object TO the minority hereafter
presenting their views IN report
Mr. STEPHENS sad he would rot
Mr. IxrcrrE (,dm OF OF Va, would not object 70 Mr.
harris making aieport In regular wW, but objected
that The minority should take the chances with demurr