Arkansas true Democrat. [volume] (Little Rock, Ark.) 1857-1862, 1858-08-25
FROM UTAH.
Personal Interviews miM Brigham Tounq and
Bishop Ki9sbol.
toTtUP htUNftU.
GREAT SALT LAKE Cry Luly 3

uEJoH MS once Qdy or
two ago where | was received politely and in
trodueed to quite number of the brethren
Brigham promptly engaged me in conversation.
adrotiy endeayorlng TO commit me to the opin-
ion that he and his people had been grossly
traduced and vili6ed tie became excited a.
he repudiated the charge that Capt. Gunp;sop
was murdered by the Momons. or that III,
books and records of the United States conrt
were destroyed; upon which representation alone
he professed to understand that the army had
been sent out here. He admitted, however
that the libraries of Judge Stiles aud Thomas
5. Williams were destroyed by violence at the
same time when. as there is abundance of Gen
tile evidence, the records were missing. He
declared he was sorry when he heard that the
boys hai done that; but the hypocrisy of the
declaration is palpable to every man who spends
an hour here; it is perfectly evident that +" the
boys" would cut their own throats sooner than
perpetrate such an act without the cognizance
and assured approval of their leaders. Be-
sides twas not to g the boys" but to the church.
that Williams and Stiles had become obnoxious.
both of them having apostatzed Certain it is
that Brigham and his followers have never re-
huked 'the boys in the least for this or any
other outrage which they have committed. from
time to time, against the persons and property
OF Gentiles Or offending Saints" which have
been heretofore detailed in your Utah cores
pondeuce.
| suggested to Brigham that the evidences
in relation to the breaking up of the United
States courts, by violence, had seemed to be
very strong. lie denied them all, and next
called several witnesses about him to declare
that all the foundation for the story was a mo-
ton made by Gen. Ferguson to strike vii
hams and Gen. Bars name from the roll of
attorneys because they had insuted the court
Iou will remember in answer to this that the
Judge himself did not know that these gentle
men had nsulted him, and that he testified TO
the violence exerted to dissolve his court. In
continuation OF this testimony. let me state
that on my way hither | was driven from
eston, Mo, to ST oseph's, by an apparently
houest man, whose name escapes me at this
time, who voluntarily told me that he was
present II the court room mere at the time spo.
Ken OF. AT my request he related the particu-
lars OF that scene, and | found it tailed in ey
cry particular with the story as told in vour
correspondence about year ago, and as it has
Oeen related oy all Gentle witnesses. Is it not
LOT me 20 decade which IS the true version--but
the reader may .d5e for himself The Gov
ernor, IKE all the people we meet here was
profuse ~ his professions of love for the consri
tuition. | suggested Of course. that there could
oe 30 trouble (Which he evidently still antic-
pated) II ne recognized fully the obligations of
that instrument, and reminded him that We of
the east had been led to believe that he and
ms people had refused to have over them off
GERS whom the President hal selected under
his constitutional right and power He reioin.
eli with t.raie against federal officers. against
most OF whom bis chief objection seemed 10 be
that they had written letters to the east fun
OF les about This people. Their petitions for
their removal had been utterly disre garded. he
continued. IN reply to his question whether
the people Of Utah Ought not to be relieved of
unworthy officials, | replied, of course. in the
affirmative, reminding him, however. that If
the President did NOT think them unworthy.
the cJnSttution made him HE sole iulge AID
arb er--aad that if he failed to redse,s such
grievances, i was the part of good citizens who
love the constitution to leave the Executive to
hs responsibility to the people in the only
method pointed out BY that instrument. Brio.
ham rejoined excitedy, that if the President
would not redress their grievances, they wouli
redress them for theuselves-an EXPRESSION
which contains the very essence Of ali The Sc
dluon and treason to repress which the army
was sent out here, every candid reader must
see. 49,
BRIGHAM scoffed at aid., tba4 tbo;,
OF p"lygamy was any part Of the causes which
had induced the iI-wjll towards his peonla-
declaring that it was the grossest humbug Upon
my dissenting from this view. and expre,S,ug
the honest adherence with which polygamv i
viewed in the States, he exploded with the fol-
loving declaration, to wit: Laying aside alto
DIV difference batvaen yonr = -,
a d ours il. that vou Keen vnpr ,,s***, M
treat them Uke brntes AID 10 kao,, ~. a,,4
treat them like human bein',sn ai.rro5 I'.,a
tint Ne Of tbe east wi+b lii H. l.oI af
charged upon us. had never annIio5 81 bar1b ,
term 10 Mormon women .. t[hlat,1.IS:.l
Prophet had himself iusf nsej He thar, trrrad
the conversation bpi,,;.,,,,,,,s II I'll aIs,
ses ma lie against the M6rmons d.cI.rin., that
tnev we're ali ID III, ard tb,t M pra7;da't
knew it. for that the evidence to rebnf HAM
WAS all ,i,cad N INA ha,.5s.4uy'
in tton monthsa,o + would ar,..a,r ia, tba.
Dir. Buchanan did not consider the evidence
sat!stactory--that's ALL
Subsequently, Brigham came to the charge
again upon the subject OF polvgamy. ana a.
serted that the city Of New York maintained
thirty thousand legally licensed prostitutes. |
relolced that not one such could be fonud there
and as Brigham persisted il his statement.
challenged him to cite a single clause of law,
State or Municipal which could be Construed
INTO authority for licensing any such characters.
AS he failed to produce his evidence, cited the
laws against prostitution, called his attention to
the operation Of the new brooms with which
cur reform mayors generally sweep the side
wolks OF Broadway during the first week Of
their Inauguration, and cited the law which de-
ciares the forfeiture Of rent Of house which
mas been let for purposes Of prostitution. These
rather staggered Brigham, for he has great pride
II having MS every word received law, and
IN having Il supposed that he cannot err. As |
nave SAID before, however, he is neither wise
nor profound, although cunning aud shrewd.-
uavlng quite tailed to show that the good peo-
PIE OF New YORK nave adopted the French svs-
lem ana made prostitution legal, he soon polite
" babe us goodnight aud retired to his family
village over the way