The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1858-03-04

Yesterday was quite disposed 70 take the substitute OF
chusets (Ar wilson, That Senator proposes to
nve thousand volunteers, and that they shall be disbsnd
ed at the expiration Of one year Il IS attractive as show
ing preference for volunteer force 70 regular force;
but on reflection see that bis proposition embarrassed
with precisely the same difficulties with my own II We
raise rye thousand volunteers apcn the system which he
recommends. and taey to be sent TO Utah and en-
Poyed there exclusively h proposition suggests then
the army may all be left in Kansas or hve thousand regu
lar troops may be left In Kansas, while the volunteers
seni to ngh our battles in Utah and therefore do no,
hpd 10 That proposition any relief am told that these
Mormons will fight and know that II is not until
after long time that any community makes UP It's mind
Go defy an impersl power like this; but sir these
Mormoas are exceptional, in the first place They
have done nothing but fight from the beginning.
They armed aud military sect superstous sect
and is an element o; their progress They fought
themselves out OF the state of New York. when they
were bu, handful OF men, into OHIO They wraugled
themselves cut OF Ohio into Missouri Civil war grew up
around them Missouri aud they fought thor into
Illinois, and established themselves at Narvoo and civil
attended their from Nsuvoo t, the Salt Lake
They worthless for othcr purpose but 10 fight
Their religion makes them lighting men, for is religion
which can submit 10 no civil authority thst is administer
religion which gives license, in the of government
and Cod to the indulgence OF the propensity OF hu
nan nature never yet have read, I We. have
heac never yet have seen any superstition of this kind
that did pot take III, as ts weapon for proseysu the
sword: Sir, the worst that can of all thus is
that shall have committed error-I shall have
consented that the government Of the United States
shall employ an additional force Of FIVE six
men Tor this occasion IL will be safe whatever
may happen. II my proposition shall be iopted AS
trust WILL will be guarded by stipulation that the
additional force shall be dsbanded order is
restored Utah To those who who may object TO that
have but single argument 10 urge favor of the pro-
position Ii there snail be necessity Congress will then
be able 10 continue the force IT. on the other hand, my
apprehensons right in regard to the disturbances in
Utah and their probable course and Development then
shall feel that whatever responsibility rest upon
for errors OF Judgment here, there will not rest
the responsibility OF having left, by my default
neglect, single citizen Of the United states 20 suffer
violence at the hands Of this begerent people for want of
the necessary supplies oil troops and money to compel
them to respect the authorities under which lve and
forbear from cruelty upon the citzt government,
which has fostered and protected them
Mr.. Hale, opp OF New Hampshire, replied to Mr..
Seward, still harping the old string that the army
to be used 10 the free State party Kansas and
dwelling upon the statement OF jefferson Davis that the
increased force not be employed in Utah lie con
tended that the present army strong enough for all
contingencies While that most dangerous that fall
lacous that most monstrous doctrine which has lately
been preached and practsed upon by the Executive
this country that under the general power TO see the laws
faithfully executed, he has right to call ont at his will
the army and the navy under the OF pos se while
that dootl inc is proclaimed and acted upon not
time for him. however may be for others strengthen
the hands OF man who Is disposed 10 use for pur
poses and on such authority He denied, utterly and TO-
tally and forever, that he has any such right aud
fatal one-one that, il be tolerated by this GO
vernnent will bury our Liberties beyond the reach
OF resurrection. Mr. Hale amened the taken by
hr. Seward, and concluded by ssying-Opposed as am
ts this bill, should not have said word there not
danger from the position which the distinguished Senator
from New York occupies, and Justly occlpes public
estimation that the words which fell from his oracular
lips might be supposed to compromit or compro mise
feeber and humber men who sit at his feet Bat for
that should have veniured thus openly before the
Senate and the country to dissent from what he has
but looking upon as DO, as very dangerous error aad
one which am i'll prepared 10 have go under the
sanction Of his name unchaenged, have deemed it my
duty ir all the kindness that entertain for him, and all
the profound respect that feel for him thus publicly
diner from him question which consider vital
fundamental to the dearest and best interests of the
country.
Mr. SEWARD replied warmly He had no complain. to
make Of the remarks OF Mr. Hale but be denied that ae
belonged 10 cared for any party Fer twenty years
had been independent OF party The danger be sa d. OF
every reforming party is the danger Of seeking build
Itself UP by drawing in false spurious and collateral Is
having nothing whatever 10 do with the ques
ton am sorry to saybnt must say it-tha, nv ex.
perience has only showL that there In the position
which have occupied exposure 10 this great Janger
OF berg beset TO cut his OF aiminis
traton bere cut Of the head OF this appontee Of the ad
mnisGa;ion there deea, the administrator on this az
preparation for railroad defeat the administration upon
this measure OF organization; cut OF the supplies
OF she clerks in some OF the departments refuse
10 give 70 those who will vote for your measures
ano your policy your support for measures to which
they may be attached. Mr. Seward concluded:
y have but one word more ~ say, shall
the Senate very sorry that the faith the horora.
Bile Senator from New Hampshire is less than my Own.
lie apprehends continual Disaster He this battle
continued and Tough, by skrmishes add deprive the
enemy OF every kind OF supplies Sir regard this bat
We a ALREADY fought " over Ah the mistake - teat
fighting for majority OF free States. There already
sixteen to ffteen and whatever the administration may
do-whatever anybody may do-beforc one year from
this time shall be nineteen nfeen. II that
what CANCER exposed to- II is that
will nevertheless 60 for slavery n they will, that a
MISTER that are 10 help 10 this way do not be-
neve that either. think Is simply question whether
the administration shall surrender aud freedom 70
Khtsas under the constitution Of her choice whether
they shall break their necks In resistance TO IT, The
sui Is precisely the 10 either way and TO my
oonciusicn, notwithstanding unfortunate 70
differ IRON my honorable friend, that Ia the safest side
TO vote the and the money the lives and pro
ptrty OF the American people.
The debate resumed on the3ath Of February by Nj
DIXON, (opp) OF Conn.
Mr.. DouGts, (opp.l Of H., moved to postpone the Ar
my BILL in order take up his Kansas resolution calling
for the returns Of the elections, &C.
hessrs. Mason and Green opposed Il, and the motion
was lost, by yeas -, nays 81 as follows