The weekly Minnesotian. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. Territory) 1852-1858, 1858-01-02
ES0TA TERRITORY, SATURDAY MORNING. JANUARY g. 1853

dation prior to the result of the vote, which
lie says in his Message he is wa ting for.
MIR. Douglass replied that he should like to
know what other sources of information Mr..
Buchanan had, as that Senator had that much
advantage of him. 'e. .'..f.. ... .....
Mr.. Biglcr was not at liberty to say that
this was an administration measure. lie
would allow Mr.. Douglas to define what it
was T 3fge -'. ...srt
Mr.. Douglass again wanted to know what
these other sources of information were which
authorized Mr.. b. to read him out of the par
ty for not sustaining that measure
MIR. Bigler denied that he said one word
about reading any man out of the party
Did Mr.. D. mean to make no issue with the
administration ? When he makes all issue
can not he tell what it is e?
MIR. Douglas The Senate did not use the
words but he intimated strongly to that ef-
feet. He seemed to be CARRYING out the sys-
TEN pursued by every pensioned lettcr-wr-
ter, for the last few weeks, intimating that he
(Mr. D. J deserted the Democratic party and
had passed ever to the Republicans.
Mr.. Bigler-I deny any such accusation. I
said the Senator's position had excited mo-
mentary qualification On the other side ofthe
Chamber, and regretted this. '0'3 -'
Mr. Douglass replied that he had been de-
cried by men who were willing to sink the
Administration for the purpose Of killing off
Northern men. That every press which can
be controlled is thus controlled is undenable.
That nineteen twentieths of the independent,
those who do not depend on the government
for support, are with him in sustaining the
creed of the Democratic party and the Gin
cinnati platform but the few who are not
allowed to speak themselve, are endeavoring
to drive hin, where they could not drive him,
to desert the principles maintained by the
Democratic party. He wanted to know
whether every man is to be driven out of the
party because he does not coincide with the
President on the question of the Pacific
Railroad and Bankrupt Law as applied to
banks. MIR. Douglas presumed, then, if every
one of the gentlemen around him were at lib-
erty thus to differ from the President on the
bankrupt law, Pacific Railroad, tariff and 9th
er measures, was not lie to be permitted to
Judge for himself on the subject of the Lc-
compton movement =? He did not under
stand the extraordinary desire to stri lea blow
which would either cripple him or drive him
out of the party, or make the country be-
ieve he had left the party. Would the SEN
ator from Pennsylvania endorse every recon-
mendaton in the Presidents Message, and
say he is prepared to carry it out.
Mr.. Biger replied that it was not at all
probable that he agreed with every sentiment
of the President. He had no desire to lay
down a rule by which the Senator should be
read out of the party.
Mr.. d. wished to know if the administra-
tion did not regard as wanting in party feel
ing those who rejected the Lecompton move
ment?
Mr.. B. replied that he could not 60 any
further into the subject. He had already en-
deavored to express his views with all the
clearness of which he was capable. If the
Senator thought proper to assume that this
was proper measure, and that he (Douglas)
was out of the party because he differed with
the administration, that is his (Douglas) own
business. He (Rigler) had laid down no such
rule.
Mr.. d. replied that the Senator from Pen
sylvania informed the Senate that he had
other sources of information in regard to the
purposes Of the adLulnistratlVn in muking
this party measure He believed that the
charges that he Douglass was going over to
the Black Republicans were made by men
hostile to him, and actually hostile to the
administration.
There were persons who desired to get him
into false position for Interior purposes
He did not mean that men whose claims to
the confidence of the Democratic party were
not superior to his own should read him out
of the party. The report was being circula-
ted everywhere that tho President is prepar-
ed to prt the knife to the throat of every
man who dares to differ from the administra-
ton and think for himself on this question
He believed those who circulated such re-
ports were enemies to the President. He
wishe to give his friends an opportunity to
deny the charge.
Mr. Bigler-Who makes the charge?
Mr.. Douglas-The newspapers of the
country are full of it. The Senator seemed
to make his argument as if he were outside
of a healthy Democratic organization. l do
not recognize the right of that Senator or
any body On earth to eXpel ME.
Mr.. Bigler-Tn no shape or form have
beer laboring to put the Senator out of the
patty, 1t is true, did show in the question
of slavery that the Senator did not always
hold the same position, but l did not say
that any man who differed from the Admin
istration on the subject was 20 Democrat
Mr. Dougas-I stated that when 1 chang
ed my opinion changed it in correspond
ence with that of the President in both cas-
es. If that would lead me out of the party
it would lead me into very good company. -
If the President and the Democratic party
stick to this platform we can move along har-
moniously; but shall at all events maintain
my position, and shall take all proper occa-
sions to vindicate the great principle with
which my public life is identified. Ihope, in
the discussion of this question, Senators will
let me alone in regard to my consiste ency, and
as for my prospects, let time determine.
MIR. Steuart obtalr cd the floor and the fur
ther consideration of the subject was post
poned.
The Senate passed the House resolutions
commencement, instead of at the end of the
session, and $3.50 per month each during the
session. Adjourned.
WASHINGTON, Dec. 81.
IoUsE.-The House rosumod tho consd-
Grafton of the Treasury Note Bill.
Mr.. Abbott of Main, spoke in opposition.
A lengthy debate ensued in which Letch-
er, Campbell, Quitman and Boyce partici-
pated. The two latter avowed themselves
in favor of direct taxation and free trade, and
Mr.. Campbell saying that he would support
the bill with notifications, He wished to
offer an amendment to the bill imposing an
additional increase of duty on carpets, iron,
&c. His object was to meet those treasury
notes, and provide incidental protection to
the industrial pursuits of the country.
The committee rose, and the Senate's
treasury note bill was referred to the Com
mittee on Ways and Means. A resolution
was passed limiting the debate on that sub
iect to tomorrow.
Mr.. Warren asked but did not obtain leave
TO introduce preamble, that whereas it ap-