The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-05-20

the. were be- lead " heaven, and II he leading
wrong they had ought to know it and seemed v
la an that a. the letter couched in such terms it
aired from them, and he therefore hoped
they would not pass the amendment
Gr SETH II HuNr entirely consured with the views OF
the last speaker He did not think the question TO be
met oy legal bubbles or questions OF order was true
that they had n difference, shown by the letter,
bat they not need the ADVICE OF any couac any
persons outside II the church. He thought there
papeis 70 part OF the members until those
brethren had called meeting this meeting had been
called. they had thus came aud consulted together he
believed that that letter would have been psnned
sent and all would have been harmony and good feeling
Tor giving unsnimous resolution, and II there were
few id agree with tho majority he believed there
woula have difficulty Whatever This first resolu
ton offered before the substitute Of Mr. WcoY oaer
ed To bring the question issue; Intended
70 We straig horward. The letter evidently very
irregular proceeding and he hoped that the amendment
would be rejected, that they might come directly TO a
q, the question He did not wish 10 be kept
away from disposition by technicalites.
Mr. H. FSYB said that the proposition which had been
made TO their parson was obviously matter OF s.ess a.
fo maly and these resolutions mere, expressed their
appreciation Of such informally. 1t seemed TO him
that they were nothing more nor less than that
SUBJ ttute If the orgir al resolutions adopted it
would show that they did not approve Of this sugge ton
their pastor it not going to prorsct has abors
wished to have the meeting ray so-that hey ala mol
M, Mt and hoped 1t would be rejected by unanimous
Loud cries of "Qusstionp' question:
Dr. BALL merely wanted 10 say that he rejected the
Offering the SUBJ ue for the simple reason that their
pa there to hear from the church whether they
really wished him 10 eman not, and he hoped they
would conv nee him that they wanted HIM to remain, by
oyerw belmipg vo'e On the first resolution.
Up to this time the sigItrs Of the letter hal kept quiet,
with the exception oI cheering protest against the pro-
ceeapgs There efeore some excitement and inter
est manifested when
Mr. O E. Weop one OF the sgners OF the letter. arose
and said that The origin OF The letter was in Getting
Of gentlemen Of the society and church, simply for the
purrose Of considering he best interests Of the church
md 80 of tham Ind felt a [ m At
there serious difficulties in the church and society
which possible should be remeded.
Mr.. J. W. HAIsTKD wished TO know from the Chair
whether tie gentleman speaking with reference to the
resolution or not
The CHAIRMAN replied that he considered the gentleman
in order.
Mr.. WOOD continued. The letter written and in
e pdcd in Chrsta manner. 1t was evident that ii
intended irregular proceeding as If had not been
Intended other proceedings would have been taken
stenoed indication of the views OF these signers
as well a. many others Twas an ioformal proceeding
intended be- and he supposed would not be
recognized by he council he supposed the resolution OF
Mr. Wilcox offered with the view Of making formal
ed with any desire " take away any privileges
from the church, from recognising The character and
Sss s snv der ne but in as
which he had fit TO take, he had consulted what he
regarded the beslnterests Of the society lie felt certain
that there desire to deprive the society Of prv
ege aud that the sgners sincerely believed Themselves TO
be in the right
Rev c. j WARREN was in doubt which 70 wonder at
the mo-te letter which had given rise 10 the meeting,
the resolution before them for adoption. The
rieguary and improperly OF the one, was scarcely to
lc exceeded by the rregulary and improperly OF the
olor He did not the least possible necessity for this
Church 10 call council The brother had spoken OF the
sincerity OF the signers to the letter From hat acquant
had had with those brethren he would not donbt
there sincerity. But he had lived long enough In this
world to know that good men, and among them the very
best men, might be sincerely wrong sincerely right:
he had such things. sincerity by
Of sound oscreten for fiji Sere where the Protestant
more sincere than the majority OF the deiuded papsts
"a
knees What was the sincerity OF Christianity TO the sin
certify OF Pagan mS seemed to him very Improper for
this church 10 be asked when their brethren acknow
lodged that the document not intended TO be formal
proceeding, 10 60 before council when their
council until they were enabled TO come to an
among themselves, which WAS not now the
At the close Of Mr. soeSaAs leps seso speech
Dease man Z Tpse asa s %ha a nc
might be their differences, however divided might be
their feelings, wished 10 hear full dis ,ussion. He
thought the OF the amendment TO relieve
Kind feelings that might exist That the question nigh,
be fairly discussed before tribunal where there would
be less expression Of personal feeling and less liability 70
depart from the main question:
Er. W. CHESTER, In spite of the increased calls
for the question, addressed the meeting He said the
brethren who had advocated this amendment had not
derstood IL purpor they were asked 10 pass resou
ton reques ting those individuals who had signed this let
present Their reasons to Dr. Cheeyer and II he did
10 call council 70 decide between him add the ind
vidusls he reason for resgning the matter TO
these sixteen There several manifestations Of
applause during Mr.. Chesters remarks.
Mr.. FKRfus spoke briefly, advocating the present time
for the delivery Of any opinions on toe subject and hoped
that the amendment would be rejected
Mr. JoEI BIACKnAS thought the letter not irregular
or out Of order. II was verv proper for members who
deacons members Of the church wished pastor
sign, proper 10 communicate that fact 10 him. If
the pastor did not wish - resign then 1t might be proper
call upon the church and have council with the pas
tor, to consider the state OF the He thought II i'm
proper that hey should be called there that evening Did
the pastor wish TO resignf he thoaght not Then why
they there that evening, The church had tcd
him 10 resign. II these sixteen members wished DR..
Cheeyer TO resign they were at perfect liberty to TX him
10 unite with them In calling council for that purpose.
But II not what there for them TO dor If the sixteen
members wanted council, was proper for them 70 ask
the church and pastor unite In calling council and dis
the subject He opposed their passing any resolution
a, present or having any tnu TO do with matter In such
Mr. HErSRIs amid loud calls for "the question: pro.
ceeded 10 address the meeting. he deemed the amend
men entirely out OF place, and concluded by moving the
Mr. M.rHEH desired TO make an explanation, but was
prevented Mr. Herrs declined 10 withdraw the previous
question.
Mr. MATTER suggested that this was a specimen Of tho
Christian courtesy which extended 70 him by
conner.
Mr. HEpRr was about TO explain when
Mr. MATTER suggested that be would be out Of order az
the previous question had been moved
The Chairman ruled, and about 10 put the qucs
ton the original motion, when Mr. Herris withdrew bis
motion.
Rev J. p WARREN then arose and said that he had re-
Gently moved TO the city with his niy and joined the
Church Of the Purans because be liked ia reputation and
pastor but found himself the threshold Of bis con
necton in a divided church. He felt interest In the
matter, and would therefore speak earnestly lie had had
experience this very point and believed that the whole
proceedings we're irregular. The parties who had written
the letter not the only parties who bad formed the
tract They bad proceeded rregusry in writing the
letter. and the meeting about carry that ir
regularity by &king them 10 give their for
dong was standing rule, that council should not be
called In where church had the question
The council could only act In where the church had
passed upon o question and taken decided stand and
gwen ts decision directly upon the In point He
therefore, sustained the original motion and opposed the
amendment
Prof THonrsor hoped there would be fair and free
discussion He could not for himself the reasons OF
the who wrote the letter. and hoped hey would
have opportunity 10 state them.
The CHAPMAN then amid loud calls for the question put
the motion thehmendment when there n pretty full
IN lie favor Upon the question for vote the
satve, there visible majority ainst H. Some one,