The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-07-21
Interview Of the Kayv Indians and the ln-
dian COmmisstOner.

From the Washington Union, July II
delegation Of Indians from Kansas received by the
Commissioner OF Indian All nj his room In the Patent
Office Building Quite large number Of ed spe :ta-
tors were present during The interview
We give The follo~ing Interpretation or the different
celes, nance; HI be e-wAh chun he principal chief,
"Hari Heart" Peg ga hos ha, Brave Man, Ri hi "a
w,h dim ga, Brave Alhca wah no, "Wolf;" n nous
Heart, opened The "iak, by saying that he wantei to
speak with the Commssioner-to tell him cool many
treaty with him. and now he here talk abou,
his rcterva,on Hs country was the bost in Kansas
Territory He LETT the Kansas river about two months
ago. and went whore he IL now. when no made tho
treaty his "grandfathern promised them eight house q
but be bad never them-not little one. He
and his " children" had been treated bad everywhere
whites and red kns had treated them all the same Some
Of the soldiers had allied OF bis boys They made him
pay for what he bought more than wos, AID took
his hoses from him every day-every day. They do
barm-vhiies always wore tba1 Indans-and forced
him to leave his home The traders we're just bat
they could be, and want 10 s~inoe the Indians His
had been taken from him. Tue missionaries and the
school teacher had been there for twenty years. yet
, GU could rot educated Indian. They keep his
boys work Tie lapd and sell all they mase-in this
way making two or three thousand dollars. Their mis-
sonary baa nov become clerk for trader, and aid
everything asair,t tho Indians He charged ten dol
lars Tor sack Of Jour- when they had right 10 charge
that much Al the time he made he treaty every body
could rahe crop Of torn to sell, but he did not
believe he would have any whea he got home. He did
ne have much land-sboat twenty miles sauafe-but he
aa nes ~1s 70 ss y sSa sa not van. 70 make
bad because Ia ~ might need u before they died He
bad heard Indiana talk Of what had been done for them
at Washington city, Other nations had gone back homo
after seerg strange ibipgs He had things yester
day thai he had before. His children had
cent aim here They di not want to lose their
lizard Hart" vv here interrupted By the Commits
,oner who .sd e toe interpreter "te him TO take bic
scat; want 70 vk him some questions" Tho Old chief
sat 6orp.
The Commissioner want to know Who ho consulted
WITH and who advised the dels cation 10 on hore
"asrd Heartily grandfstner, some OF your boys
here told me to come-sdyked me 10 come here 10 see
The Commissioner TO the inierpreterNow tell him that
am very glad TO zee him, AMI ha the or boy who
nd visec him 10 come here was bad mn, had no su-
thory 10 do IT, not from here, and that do not
know him We have sent out there ascertain who he
~ bsve him punished for sendlSg you here without
authority
Here the Indians exclaimed "Hugh their well know
expression TO signify that they understand what said
The Commi,slopsr (resumIns)-Sov tell him TIA, am
very glad TO bear from them in order 10 know what they
de,re, and what their troubles are, that may pre-
lect them hereafter. ('Hugh "Hogh.") The man who
advised them come here has given out they were
coming here to make ueatyto dispose Of their lands
and thereby 20 Encourage white come in ana
take Possession OF them. ('Hugh." emphaticaly from
all The Indaps Tel them that now while they are here
in all probability that very man. as gel az Others is
They have spoken OF Of complaint they have
agsn,i he officers out there the sionarie school mas
iefs ard others wait hem TO mention specific act
hG The agent has done that ogcnds them. want them
name some particular thing tina, they have iono more
Pesss hos h. o,@A Brave Man" proceeded I, yeov
the questions Of the Commissioner He closed a some
what Lengthy Asrasgue with the following significant
words-i want you 10 give every thing new like early
In the spring u.i Ike green grass don't old things
rusty. The children always well pleased when they
come homo frOsa seeing their "grandiathosn I want
everything new, my "eran6fatber."
The reply Of IA Brave NAM be best urder,tood
rom the fol owing remarks OF the Commissoner:
/ want 10 know now whether or not understand fully
the charges sde. They charge the agent with having
threatened the Indans when coming around his premises
having killed their oogs and otherwise ntsrfered with
them They say that he OF the first that enter.
ed on their lands, asd assisted named Harr,s a
trader 10 1ke possession of two quarter sections OF land
build house and sell them. The traders have also in
terfered with them, and laid out town their land
The missionary has paid attention 10 teaching their
Children and has made then work for him and thsn cold
the produce and Ike ~ the money himself without instruct
Ing the children In the ordinary Of education and
they consider the missionary they have had there as worse
ihas useess They wan 10 change ali their ocers rhe
arolss which have been furnished Dy the blacksmith
we're DOT OF good qualty They do not want 10 make a
treaty, but are satisfied a. they
10 an that the Commissioner had said they gave an en-
phetc assent