The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-02-20


Tsnoon Of railroads. BE replied that he Wa opposed
70 policy and had IN Ill but one, voted against
the making Of grants for such purposes he was willing
that the fepos Of the neaAure should have fair chance
and that In several he had voted for suspension
the rules Of the House. and for the previous questions
and Then, mai passage Of The bin, voted against
them then ASKED him how he felt IN regard 70 the pro
posed bin dopair lands 10 Minnesota Territory He
,ied, hat no not know OF any such bill l then
stated that understood such bill In contemplation
ana that came before the House. would like his AID
W ne pArage He replied, that tho most he could do
weud be 10 vote for suspension Of the rules and the
previous gus sion az be was opposed TO tine policy Of
snrenotrpesshe public lands Tor such purposes Having
an e,pec.sl tia',"n to Minnesota Territory, which
,hal pre,essy mention, and approving the general policy
previous votes upon land bilh VIII evidence iek Pc
culiar inherent in the particular M referred 70 for roa
felt BY him. under such circumstsnoes be sppre
ciaed Ithersfore asked him whether could tslk TO
.sa 70 him i !. might appsss UoS ,ng ,nsp
that thoud manifest 10 much Interest In any bill ana
wanted d. 70 sI PIE nSs IN. va. .Cd h.d
correct but IN this bill for the Territory Of Minnesosa
fell adeeper interest han In the others. stated that
ned lands q. La Crose and La Crosse counec
ton with my brother. which would be materially en-
t,pcee in value this bill passed; had iriepds Nv
ssRe who bac written to the subject; that with
ont this explanation IL might seem improper that should
feel 20 much anxiety about this BILL but that had
in other than the general principle and such a.
bad stated
OFFEND NO Dr11cr PBcuMARy INDUCEMENTS ROE vorss-
hKRIIy SUGGESTED 10 Mr. PAINE THAT q, 500 MIGHT BE
These were my reasons for inviting Mr.. Panes conn
se SOs % 20
mako ihiS explanation. In oonDexiou with other similar
bills was rumored 20 ~ 10 be believed by many. that
atoms had been awarded In form another
for favor deemed TO secure their PASSAGE but
upon this subject whatever might have been my oonvic
sioBs, bad personal knowledge. neither had,
have now, received been promised directly indi
eety any pecuniaFy or other cor sderson for voting
isrred TO- amer bad suited TO MIR Paine my position IL
stated 10 him tina. supposed il person va,
rpy BY going for this bin. An inquiry vas ioea made
the substance Of which Was - 70 what amount re
His reply 70 this was II that tue way they wanted
70 aTal 70 he would have nothing TO do with it, and
very soon sf. b. seal, did no. during tho Oonys..
any other person Or for his In favor orauy
persons or nom any OOrporsiOn to make any such Of
fer or promise did not then, do new, know who
terested sny grant mentioned in said blu for said Ter
rtory No person mas ever solicited nae 70 offer or pro-
| This or any osher snl now before Congress
n Have you ever hoard Of any member
passage Of T osss o or nd
Winess-l have not according 70 the best OF my 70
II
that there any contract agreement
with any third person BY which he 70 receive any
present or prospective benehta
WiiLess-I have not
By the Chair man-Have you ever been present WHOM
members Of Congress in relation their interes, in any
bnl that was pen ding before OopgressS
PASSED THE ooMrLnlNn OF TIE WITH Mr. cHAn.
Whpsn- No, sir; have merely seen him IN the lobby
the House. shook hands with him and passed the
plimsns Of the day; have been but once to his room
during the whole Congess. ana that inquire
certsn man from New York. whore TO find him
BY the Chairmsn-How much interest had you and
railroad would pass2
TIE r1rnr or TERRITORY owSrD MR DwARps
Whness-Tnat perhaps, requires little explanation;
in Minnesota Territory, the Of the lands
by ny brother and myself is forty acres, that
teen miles from that point, the way to Hiiwsusie
some Geo soro, and the Milwaukee and La Crosse
ES,rssd nsvsrses these lsnS, that r.road !. con
to extend from that poiat 10 Ia Crosse unless CON
muncs,on should be opened sl further west FOR thai
eafon iet perhaps an improper interest In this graz,
npneso,a Territory, 70 open Communication from Ia
| Creme .et which would create . necessity for
and greatly eohapoe The tba, property tina. wa,
| toe only interest felt In the mstter.
yeiss,ion took place between member Of Congress
Mr. Chase In rcaon 70 the faci1s railroad IN whco he
| complained OF not having complied with CONTRACT
wnness- No, air; never knew anything about tha,
'nircad from beginning 10 end. All know u what
Ave seen in the pspers I have never heard OF any
Il
beard various rumors through the papers, but have
personal knowledge whasever on the subject
Tuesday, Jan. ~, 1857.
WIN. c. JOHNSON, OF UTICA, N. Y. ON THE
STAND.
william c. Johnson sworn
BY Mr. Ur-whsre do you reside,
wtness-hy legal residence n UiIcs, New York. Nv
lime IL divided between Washington and thstciy Ip,"
my winter months here and my months In Ia
BY Mr.. Orr-Aie you the president Of internal
proyemsns company In the veu
BY Mr.. orr~wha, company hm
the psa MONIES sAuoAnos AND RAILROAD COMPANY or
witness-The pes Moines NAVIGATION and Railroad
Company Of the STATE Of Iowa
By Mr. or-Ho- long have you held ths, oBce'
WtDsss-Since The 25ih Of AuEust, 1855.
By Mr.. on-Do you know OF any bill or resolution
having been introduced OF presented during the present
winess-Your question makes |. diancui TO respond
to Tor this There . ball introduoed with
ference 70 tho Des hones giant which va. rather for
benefit Of company In the end but the immediate
beneficiary the staie OF Iowa our eeon with
being future thing, which nigel or might nos hsppen
contingent upon action Of the Legislature OF
ssic and contingent measuraby upon our own action In
the Completion Of The contracts made with that stso
BY Mr.. Orr-rhere uss q grant Of land maoe some
year, aso 10 The Terrby Of losa Tor the improvement
Of the Des nonss river
/ wtness-Yes, sir
BY Mr.. orr-when was the sranrnrst made, 10 whom,
and What disposition wa mace Of ~
TBr OLD GnAsr OF 1AsD TO owA-How The ooMPAsY Gor
INTO
wnness-Tbo 18th Of August 1sie, think, "a the date
Of the grant Congress made grant OF certain lands 70
the Territory Of Iowa situated IN that Territory for the
Improvement OF the Of The Dee MONIES river.
There long period interviewed before connection
viii On the eth OF June 1884 the state OF Iowa, py
Ne officers entered Into o contract with this company,
which represent for The improvenens by NE oompsny
Of the navigation CT that river, and tns purchase by The
com oany OF the lands OF the grant SHORTLY aner the
grant made, the ssore,a ~ Of The neasury vno v.
then Secretary OF the Depa Of the In
terror that extended W The OF
the lee MONIES river. was aso 90 decided by Attorney
General Reverdy johnson at subsequtn nj period and
confirmed by President Fillmore or President Taylor,
vhion. Prior W thst asubordinate ocor,
the Comm ssionsr General Land Oce, think bad
suggested the grant Old not extend beyond Fort Des
MONIES ard appeal from that decision that the
Secretary Of the Treasury decided ns extended 10 the
sources the river ON the bsas OF that decision
Der artmen OF the Interior had approved, 10 called
these lands, passing mp the river from ne mouth
direction Of Ne sources, TO point considerably above