The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-09-02

thai the charges should he made rpeclec,y would be
olfcuh In hls osarsan, 20 discipline unless
specified In sore patio liar nnd compreheusivo form
Dr. NKwTos, o. Mi.si.spp a. the hretorel who
bad cu Tee In their minds In relation h,s quest on
~oeio .esy cood hey sustain charge q as. seass,s
speaks Of crimes geo aet,icaly, IL ! may be
perr tied to use The term. Toeft is term
which may be used In reie-ec,e % h,se stealing
and surely in this would for proper suojec
for the judicatory take coscizn OF The snsurdy
entertaining and acting opon charges presented under
general bead Is fully by guilt fbe
term "heft In these t." connects VI Hs was altogether
Ia favor Of the re oudon as reported by tue COON n.see
ard opposed 10 the amendment We clnstt tito AL
Presby tarians and such obliged he con
strucsonu We should have no hesitation, tn fo-e IN
voting Ainst the introduction Of this term mpsog
kr. sRuus0FoRD, OF sdolphia raid he va bore
opapg In the deliberations OF the Convention not know
may be brought agsns. him OF oc,upy revolutionary
posaonthAs Is, by implicAson. Eteraiping tue vieS
tcat he took when he jnned this church OF oada
prepared 70 act With refe- ence 70 those end snd
In aiming to do % took the posiuon which he nos
held, that beet calculated In bis estmxs affect
these purposes he sho Id not shrink from meeting any
thing In regard 70 thS question: sul be wanted the CO.
vepton TO be very guarded In all It's language that may
not take from aim those VIII, mpstnised NTH
them tn the North one ota OF the Influence that they
needed they wanted 70 occupy right position; hey dia
lion any wording Of tue contribution to be used against
them seemed to him that By inserting tas Y rd
sbu,es, and giving . dangerous latitude to the Geasra
Assembly. he would ask the Convention 70 weigh and
COntnod were
their part would pa.eray wsakea the position Of Their
tiends at the North under the peculiar relations which
they occupied to the ca irch q me south;
DR.. HAADY said, that ali agreed that this subject Of
very serious imporsan and the question involved WAS
thss would tell uooa the interests Of cnur,h for
. in any direction that wonld tend yards fsse
Dsue or vtndicate any peculiar position - regards tas
matter before us. So far ~ the resolution ITSELF II
,evned would be I'D occupy posiuoa there do
oned and would like 20 vote for that resolution uH
nj Our Al nj
immoralltes should cordially vote for this resolution
BE not prepared TO that the consultation does spe
crime that rot specified and which he presumed may
nos be inferred from any thing said In the consultation de
stand the of the ages after us bat
he In much dlc lily regards the matter of.hs
for II would open the /, ali the ls and c,n us o,
imsgnao ole under such stiudinous SCOPE privilege
he amendmen. would give Il seemed to him ina the
alone. We do hat the committee recommends, wisely
and properly and In such tina, it would In
vestgsion be would coeerfully stand such platform
and would rejoice that thing far regards tue
subjsct or aooliiouism The whole lvered,
they could gain nothing Tor the arguments advanced
can present no Views 10 Justify them Ia the tney
pursued IN having oroueh' up the subj CT Il slavery Bat
be VA afraid they might be placed in difficulties arising
out Of the fact that may up that shsu bs
required to prove, and Will Is not specified in the
that nothing should said upon this ec, xhatevcr,
whilst be word most cordia and with his while heart,
IL, II
constitution Of the church does really specify all clauses
OF crime of rhch the jud csiory was to Take due notice
=, pr. ROSS OF Aaoaus, said ne could IKE to Know
Guilty In ni'ag ups man before the jadca.cry 10 try
him for cock ashuog under the constitution (aigaser)
Dr. Ros-why, under the rule Of cruelty. The suej,c,
spsndldy get forth in the ca echsm Is specifically
Get 70 tn that could be red for Wrapping ref And
yet SAINT do thst With all due respect his brs hreo
he would say that ne w~ Astonshed the book was 20 Little
Mr. FIrcHx desired to know II be might ask question
Of Or. Ross
Or Ross said be d no, want to answer any questions
he said that though be school he honored
his old school brethren because tbey had perfectly
drilled h sir peoole Re again and as aisonisned
Ut HANDY said he bad doub, the matter Of cock
1ghtng referred TO merely speci d. not
a. . matter alluded 70 in the book Of csc pine.
Ar FI1cHsa assured the Convention that be would no,
raise single question Tor the purpose o. discussion He
which arose IN his mind regarding this matter. He
anxious 70 be Instructed In ro 10 the proposition be-
fore the C0nveron but he would that far al the
light thrown up the suojecs failed 70 euishen him II
may be that this owing 70 wsnt OF comprehensive
vie and penetration on hi, part; but from whassves
cause, he st uniformed With reference the
ject matter under confederation. Here the word spe
oincay" In the resolution, Ano the question ours, what
is the meaning OF "specincallyY Dr. Ross has expAln
that charged must be designated in the very
words Of the book Such, n least the tenor OF his
s s,I s According a 70 =. VIEW be tightly under
cannot bring charge OF oppression. and undertake to
prove BY spscinca Ions thn are not In the book You
vious reading charge that may be brought Toe book
rays nothsg about lascivous rcs1ng, and IL
charger Oppression be undo -stood H. was mentioned
In connection with variety Of other charges Dancing 10
was that socnng NOT contained in The book was reerIei
IN s connection. The whole question seemed 10 him
be exceedingly complicated and 20 far as he sas con
erned, he was anxious 70 be better insru Ted regard
Rev. J d Nrron, OF Virginia, said be would call the
attention OF the chair TO s2orani breach or the rules
dihCusFOn. Under
gate 10 permitted 10 speak upon the question
than twico This rule he would say, was violated In
The Prs1rxI here read the rule sppcrtsnns to this
cues or and expressed hope chat gcn aemen would no,
infringe Il, and thus i'm ,osc him the necessity
Of keeping tally OF the number Of speeches that may BIO
made by each member.
him wss wheher ought 70 enter into q discusson Of
this character not Our book IL before containing
the constitution o the church In the United states an
this 10 moi The body, ana certainly not the ne 70 modify
H. be conceived The tenor or t1e Arguments As they have
been presented 10 have reference aead Ia
constitution and no, 10 our privileges du under H. H.
considered thai the crimes reference which The Judi
ca,ory were empowered 70 &C, specifically
. ased. Oppression mentioned, and among o,heri
stealing man stealing, fraudulent dealing. &c were all
specifically set forth. II bro her wished 10 change tho
book form incon rstent with the prncp proposed
this resolution they could s. make 10 cover op
presyon 10 ali lis forms The consultation provides after
change 10 made 10 what manner Il ,bs be laid bef re
tie Judicaiory When mas brings charge Z, req arei
that the arcuser should enter into specifications At vhen
The specifications are come 70 be looked into aud are
found not 10 sustain the charge IT, OF course dismissed
The mus bring the charge according 70 te ter
OF the book but when before the 6ourt, spera
cations must be entered into. We mlrht stand here
uu doomsday 10 egsa,e for those OF the church north
CT Mason and Dfon's line, and yet fall 10 satisfy them
We do not recognise the right Of the General Assembly or
1918, any other "teen," 10 throw suspicious upon
the moral standing Of any STAKEHOLDER. They have de
elared tina, slavery 10 bio, upon orr holy retg ont
blot thai must be edsced. They declare thai Il
great evil that lie crime, and t,si u 10 the solemn
duty not only Of but Of all men, 70 seek TO- is abolish
mcnt throughout the wgd. We deny tneir right 10 PAYS
any such Testimonies. The General nby has the
power prorounos upon questions Of this sort IL The
OF Christ n has I've restrictions boot
rsh, 70 put forth esemo that which has
not been specifically decided evil either The book ipcf
BY regular process Of judicial decision They
other testimonies therefore, than saoh 10
crime hcresy, Whatever else yoa may ca tnem ani
only With these when specifically mentioned In THE
state Of thn would be safe ground, her wise
we would be on dangerous ground.
Rev. DAyIU ROgAs, OF Tennessee, SAID tho great
subec, that form the main ground Of din