The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-05-20

intellrenoe didn't see Carpenter a about o'clock;
haven't made this the subject OF ~
don't witt Mr.. Porter's see mr. samuel oso1rn' ouI
don't visit him. may have spoken Of It when ne was
present; don't remember don't remember saying 70
him that the Rothschds we're determined 70 have these
men back to the best OF my recollection, never DID,
don't remember saying anything to him; never told MIN
that would see that they went back.
Cross examined by Mr. Busteed-I see good many
averages good many; saw Parrot in my place three
times; never cav Carpenter but once-(designaes him
with changed cestl-I was with him hall an hour; my
powers oil Identification are very good don't recollecs
what day Of the week went up; October III re
collect tots date from entries In book letters wriitenno
other way; wouldn't recoect 1t independent fact
without those entries have had constant Intercourse
with rssandier since his arrival; he has visited my
John acKsoa last night nor yesterday s a nor . iSs
morning. for months; Tssander wasn't at my
office last evening nor this morning-yesterday noon;
wasut subpenaed here; up this morning Il Tsssn,
diers request forgot was at Tllous request; Goep
didn zee or nor Morrosh nor Assistant unea Sss
District Attorney this morning. first spoke nsssndier
here In Court; asked IL the prisoners here Tsan
deere said they were be didnt point them out 70 me-
asked him where they were sitting he said there,o
giving general direction; don't know whether wc con
over at these men; he ddnt point out Galbral.h nor
rownshcnd Busteed, nor any OF the ,nsel don't
whether all were here no didn't tell whore Parrot sat
he eaid he couldn't him. he ddnt say that Car
peDtier; he said DO was here his BACK was turned
any one II lis impossible for mo TO mistake Carpenter
didnt know that should be called on 10 identify the
parties one has spoken to me about what should DO
called upon testify here Caruener wasn't handcued he
eating bread and weeping Tssandier said 81 hope
some arrangement will be- made to you comfort
able" 10 Csrpentier he didn't to hear IT, appeared
Lost In grief he was much interested In what was said y
him; nsandcr said that the box had been found didn't
tell him who found It, Carpenter didn't ask; don't know
whether Tssandier told him what the contents OF the box
were he told him 1t Was tin box; didn't des tribe II;
Carpenter seemed very indie rent ssandier then said,
Why didn't you tell me the r ah this morning Carpen-
tier said natural for him 10 endeavor to conceal this
"bagstee' be sad that he was asOnshed at his being
ARES ed thai he had done all he could TO prevent ~
rsandier ma lie no reply Tssander was very kind to
ise him make clean breast Of lit will do you
barn; nssander didn't say this; no was In the room;
don think Carpenter know the relation occupied TO
Belmont suppose rssandier and Carpenter were &C
qusnted France don't recolecs anything else that
Carpenter said and am not suro whether he alluded to
received from Baron DO Roschd he spoke Of no other
that reoolect; vas At residence In Brooklyn that
ws aroused a. O'Clock by Knishi-no one with him;
y Knight believe; he large man, OF forty TO forty
n.,ric, Attorney obIcois TO statement by whom sus-
tanned.
Q when id you go'
Objection sustained.
S the Of both
myself are necessary to every check for the paym mt o.
money, and always upon the Bank OF the State Of New
York.
From whom did you receive direction the di,.
| burseneu, Of moneys In thi, matterf
Objected TO. Sustained. Excepted.
@ Are you The agent Of Belmont in this mataers
Objected TO. Sustained.
@ Do you keep books make entries with reference 10
acco ming TO August Belmont, under your power OF
attorney for moneys You dsburse OF acts you perform in
% ne any AL saS S
With De Aonhoon; have seen him frequently at our
uce don't receive any instructions from him as 70 the
moneys dsburse here; Mr.. nssandier q instruc
tons all ous Tor the disburs Of moneys In
this matter no money Is paid without his order or ap
Quenily for his letters directed to office which
naturally addressed TO Belmonts aice; don't remem
Der whether drew check I, his order; my boo
would chow; Meln didn't bring letter OF credit 10
house think Nein has been paid money without check
have been $50 800 at . timc; rssandier has MOI
given general order in gard 70 payment oil his orders
specific at tho time sssndicr regulates the amount
Re duect-Q You testified your osscxamna'ion
that you advised On pencr to make clean breast OF IL
ws that made before after the statement In regard to
The finding Of the boz, and Carpenters remark 70 the
ooncrs being the proceeds Of tho abstracsed shares Of
Objected TO- Is sa.smng Statement, to have been made
Objection overruled. kScepseh'
q WIN you 70 and identify Carpenter by laying your
obtotd to Sustained.
designate him by painting him out
Defence CALI 90 prosecution for Informs ion a TO wha
witnesses ere going To France on Saturday Mr.. nllol
don't know they have been nstruc cd 70 remain hein
has decidei IN 10 Saturday. Mr. Bustecd states ho
wishes 70 examine him with tae book Defence calls FOE
production of Gocpfcu. Prosecution gives notice tia
\ nehh aho uc o~oss NH W iAvteer< NJ tuo wyoming
| session W morrow.
Prolecu ION calls Enamel rs.andsr (srorn)-I reside
Paris officially, but live at Calais am the attorney In
fact, Of The Northern Rslroad smIsny; that appoinmeni
In writing. (rhe prosecution STATE Is nj Tou's Office;
held must be prodsoed) hold an office in France
der the Northern Railroad Company OF Francc-Inpcctor
tina, railroad extends from Paris 10 Ilege, In Belgium from
Paris 10 Calais ans from Paris 10 Bouonge they have boon
established since June, 1885, was st In operation when
| left Paris, oh or loh september, 1856.
q state who the officers Of the company Paris
A. Baron James dc Rothschd Chairman Of the Board OF
Directors. ncllebcch. Chairman.
tors, Hotinguer Marquis 1aon Poisard iobObe; knew
Carpenter ouis Grclet only knew August Parrot In New
York, and Eugene Grec fectc Dunbad and David; de
signaies them) know that Carpenter employed by
the company, but don't know how long except by Ia
formatoni know louis Grect only by sight saw him
acting At the Once Of the company OF thcir
poyes know that Carpenter was sub cashier, and he
became cashier at Roberts death dln't koov Guerin
don't rccolcot when last Carpenter acting "a ca,h
Ter; arrived horc la New York Sept D. IN tho evening"
came via Liverpool and bo.ton ara, saw Louis and En-
about II O'Clock, AT station house, after their arrest
q Had you any and what conversation with any Of
them ON that occeion' A. hal; called q, the station
wi hatiiicsson; Parrot and Fcnce Ia tho back
room; the conversation between Parrot, whom didn't
/ know, and haiibicssen; by what Parrot said To Ma
thesscn ! learned that ho considered himself an &C
! complioe; be said be was In despair; he was cry
ing; hc said What have done out q love- Cor Fclictc
aud he kscd her; Mahicsen advised him W 20 back 10
France, and fece said, "ront 20 back 10 France, f0r
/ they will send you ~ the galcys"
q ND Louis Greci have any conversation with you or
| in your presencc-if 80, state what 10 VAST
Objection ovcrrucd.
A. certainly; left tho room where Parrot and uie other
persons and came In another room, where f0uad
the two Grelet; asked Louis u he knew me- he said
ayes, by sight," said "Coui you help Directors
give information about our shares - then he Toll
me, al will tell yon all;r he took seat my and
then exclaimed, "To say that am thcf r. he repeated
two three times those words he says, ADO you
that my family u respectable, that my uncle mags-
rac and then he said, "Guerin began by removing the
panel upper part Of Mr. Roberts chest
him and followed him a rumor prevailed that
| Rothsohilds wanted his shares; ] told Carpcnuer
% managed To take shares out OF the other bundles
replace thcsc Mr. kOthSchild said Roth child
ought 10 have his accounts aakei Lewis what
manned OF thce shares he says Nothing remains had
yesterday list Of these shnes had taken for y0u
don't know the miserable life have lcd for tho last two
or three years. being compelled 70 pay double dividends
that NE made by my guide they took u out from
me yesterday asked him II he would be willing 10
help directors In the recovery OF some property then
he sad, "rske a memorandum" and took II just he
gave 10 me; IA In French (exhbit %, n,
randum % 30 shares deposited BANK Of France