New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1857-02-21

tive Committee or by anybody eSe
Sir nose whatever. H.. ro.d.
~ MI Orr-Was there ever auy propo-a'0 mtne
~ ven bv ary Mem5e- or 81 .mbers OF Congses OF W
aDv oiber person for the beoebt OF auy M y.
Congress 10 convey any otoer Prope;y r o..
in vouy ov, diyiduA right ~ cOn'iueI sou vi tuet
III lVu. o"T -; ,1sosnre7 Witness -rhere WAS no
rJrf1poaton made to 70 convey 10 any Member OF
Cor0ress or 10 any other person Tor he dement, oi
Member Of Congress, any properly connected WIN uiS
Bv Mr.. Orr-Tberc was no such proposition Wit
Re- Mr. O,r-Drecdy or iadnec.lyl Witness-I
bad what suppose of course the Committee are i'd
y1sed Of curious proposition made TO 10 reference
TO tbs matter but it did not contemplate 10 IFS terms,
nor have any knowledge that il was intended to TO-
c!uce Members Of Congress within il; | should, there
fore IL TO the proposition, say no. there was no
proposition of that kpd.
BY BIZ. On-It was not your understs nding or oehei
that was for the benefit Of any Member or Members
Of Congress either directly or indirectly Witnees-
The terms we're certain outslders outsIoers was
the expression.
By BIZ. ORR do not think that is a complete
ever TO that ques ion. Witness-Do You wish ne to
ssy vtat thought about ~ / gave the expression
used tiere is nothing that DEERE to keep from the
Committee but s the same time do not wish to say
anything that would be improper or INDIGENOUS for me
10 say the person 10 whom suppose you refer as the
suthOy Of this communicated TO me and myself are on
such terms-having passed through bitter conflict
against each ctberthat feel crest degree OF deli
eacy in speaking of The matter at all, lest any one
should charge me with improper motives IN even du-
swerirg your questions; and on this particular subject
should very much like my counsel TO be present here
in order hat may have his sanction 10 replying 70
anything Of that kind lest spy one should say toat
was too ready TO respond the gentleman did not seem
20 regard this matter a. anything involving himself or
ANYTHING improper and DO not wish to take the posi-.
ton that IL SUCH should prefer to have my counsel
present
from suy Member or Member. Of Congress, or any com
mupios;ioLs written as they allege by the authoryot
sar ction of any Member Members OF Congress with
reference 10 the passage OF this blu Wltness-l re-
ceiyed enc communication on that subject, and but
,,,.
BY Mr.. Orr-From Member of Congress Wit
ness-Yes, Sir.
BY MI Or-Have you got that communication!
Witness-Not with Inc.
By Mr.. Orr-Where Is it? Witness-At my home in
Utica. smopg my papers there.
BY Mr.. Ou-Has any body else ever seen that COM
municaton? WitDess-Yes, Sir.
BY Mr.. Orr-Hayc goa any reason TO suppose that 1t
s lost or destroy ed' Witness-Not at all believe it
is still in my custody; will state that shortly after the
receipt OF that ter when ts existence had inadve
emily become generally known-t in July last,
think went to the party who had written it, aud
offered to return it TO him. he said he did not any
thing about it, tina. he did not regard the letter con-
tanning snything that improper, that there was
nothing iLdecorous in 1t AID that he was entirely will
ing il ehould remain with me.
BY Mr Or That was after it had become public
Wiinese-Yes, Sir.
by Dir. Orr-Did you take any action upon the re-
ceipt Of that letter Witness-No, Sir; 1 never re-
piled TO it, either in writing or verbally.
BY Mr.. Ofr-Did i, lead to no act at all Witness
No. SIR; Detber replied to it nor noticed 1t IN any
way except by offering 10 return il.
81 Dir Orr-Who was the. Member of Congress
Witress-O. Matteson; it was signed o. B. NJ; it
was in the handwriting OF Mr. Msteson, aud not de-
MED by him.
BY Mr.. Or Do you know of any combinations
amOpg sDy Members Of Congress to secure the passage
of any measure to defeat the passage of Others now
pending that have been passed during the present
Coagressl Witness-NO Sir.
BY Mr.. Orr-DO you know Of your own knowledge
any iDstaIce where any Member OF Congress has re-
oeved or has the promise to receive, any compensa-
ton or personal advantage from the passage OF any
railroad other bill during the present Congress?
Witnees-NO, Sir.
BY mir. On-Were you bore when any of the rail
road bills passed Wnness-I as not here when the
Iowa Railroad I'LL parsed was attending to my du-
ties in Iowa; cannot say whether WAS here when
suy Of the other railroad bls passed or not for pay
very little attention to what YOU are doing In Congress
II is very rare that | go into the Capitol at ALL
TUESDAY, Feb. 3, 1857.
PRESIDENT JOHNSON RECALLED.
VIM. c. johnson recalled
BY Mr.. Orr-Tbe letter to which You referred 10 your
former examination you stated signed D. b. M
viii YOU state wbose handwriting the letter was 10
Wituess -It was in Mr. Mattesons handwriting.
BY MI Orr-To whom the letter addressed
Witness It was addressed TO me-" w, or ""m
By Mr. On-was it franked by Member of Con
sress ard if 30. by whom Wnness-It was ranked
40. b. Matteeon, NJ c." think.
BY Mr.. Orr-Dd you read that letter more than once
Witness-Yes. Sir; have read the letter good many
times.
BY Mr.. Orr-Do you know whether copy OF it was
taken? Witness-I directed Nh. Daniels to make a
COPY OF il at the time l went 10 Mr. Mattes IN ana
offered TO return it, and have doubt he did 80.
BY MI. O,r-Do you remember tae contents OF that
letter sufficiently well 70 be able TO recognize suostan-
tial copy Of the same! Nitness-l 90 Sir
n.. I,pxxp tha pODy prOdnCpd
Mr. Daniels Will you examine that and see VII ether
il IL Substantially accurate copy, according to the
best Of your recollectioo Witness af(er examination
i should REGARD that as literal copy with the e1cep'
ton Of the figure %" in The date, which wss iudednlte'
" written in the original but think 1t would perhaps
By Nj Or-You stated that YOU did not reply 20 tie
letter Witness-No, SIR.
By Mr Orr-Do You remember about whst time you
received the letter Wtne's-lt was, think, either
some time time in July August.
BY Mr. Ou-Where die you receive Nitress-l
received II It Utica.
By Mr. Orr-Dld YOU 90 TO Wellington at any time
after receiving the letter and before tbs Goournmens
of the regular session Of Congress WhneSs-fea,
Sir.
By Mr. Orr-Did you there have any communication
with Mr. Matteson upon the subject OF the cOneGts OF
that letter Witress-I saw Mr.. NJ attescn but my re-
collection would be- indeed a entirely sapshed thai
HAD no conversation sta Mr.. Aetteson upon the
subject j 90 not think alluded to il at all.
by Mr.. Ou-When did YOU ftst have conversation
with Mr. Matttson upon the subject of that letter
Witness-It after had retained 10 Utica, when
Congress had adjourned
By Mr.. Orr-The existence Of the letter he'd at the
time become public Witpees-ies, Sir.
BY MIR O.r-Tbst was al the time you offered 10 re-
iurn the letter Witness-Yes, Sir; 1 hsd frequently
had interviews with Mr.. Matttson, bat after this
avoided as much as possible, having any interviews
with him.
erence lie made 10 the letter Wtness-I suppose o.
cou,se is John SUyker; know Of nc other msn by