The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-02-20

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compelled to giset NJ shsers 10 my oSs nsmom
do not know by what means ,h. miios oola1
ed the Information on which I was subpgused
By Mr. Orr-Hsve heard any member OF
Copgrts sKy that his vote cosd be AgXin p
for any psr acuisr sum OF money!
Witness 1 do NOT remember 70 have hoard any
Der say that
By Ar Orr-Hsve you ever hss~d member say that
he received 20 much, or that bo to receive nuon
In money or Ia lands or oshor valuable considerA
ton, present or prcspecsveS
ANOTHER CONFIDENTIAL CosyRRsAroS
witaess-if ever heard any body maze tnS, state
nent 1t ives In confidential conversation, and should
prefer rot 10 answer tho question.
The committee, aftor consultation, required the vii
rHu MON NH GnnsRr IN ANOTHER ssssms-,as IOWA RAIL
wltness-rhen answer that have beea told BY q
Tor bis vote and influence in the passage Of tho Iowa Ra
road bill.
B, Mr. Orr-who was the memoers
witpes--Hon william A. Gilbert
BY Mr. Orr-what was the amouutS
GnBxs1 10 HAVE ssyss SQUARE MAE or LAND AND "soxs
LITTLE srocE.'
Witpess-I do not kDoa whether he received this or
not He ssid TO that he received square miles
Of lard and little stock will relate the oroun.
It; It ~ss In warm weather we met somewhere about
-Four and half street. and vent st0 the the
ner Of ths avenue and drank sass OF soda water We
took . - at on korrson's stoop think II was
late In the eveOine The stores were generally closed
The conversation turned upon tnaso matters He od
he had received that amount for his vote do not
collect how up He and had had good deal Of
confidence with each other and mus, say that heartily
resres that this matter has been drawn out Of for Il
By Mr. Orr Did he say anything with reference to tho
Michigan Wisconsin bills.
Witness-H He aid not
BY Mr. Wsrner-Dd he state where the laad Iays
Witness-He did not; no o. Id to that he xss put
down or that amount think that was sue expoession
BY hr Warper-Hd he mention any other person who
was engaged with hims
ME. swrrsEY's rxcuAx TznIsos AyT.R
ktnA~ htuk ~liuh
have been some general conversation, do
ber how the versa,ion originated was OF course,
After the pAssaSe OF The Iowa bill We had frequently
oonversed about there matters He supposed 20
no tur,her l remember very distinctly returning
home haiI remarked 70 my family l thought II very
strange that he should have placed hmse In that
alton.
By Mr. Orr--Dd Mr. Gilbert state to you in thu. con-
versson In any subsequent ooaverss,on With whom
he made the Degotiationi
The FsGxs OF MR CHASE, sx-m O. IN TIE Pm-ISsoossos
NM swEssIY.
Witness-I will not swear positively that he gave mo
the name Of the parry may have got my Impression
,has be did from other circumstanoos. Ny impres.
sion Is that he told me he made II with member
Of Congress from the State OF Nov York-Nr. George
W. Chase. | wish to state under oath that there
BY which was to receive anything, or by whioa
TO pay him anything or In any be Involved Ia the
matter Whatever cor pection had with Was entered
into In confidence, matter OF mmodation for the
other parties In other way than that had any
interest, except What was between the author and my
CHARLES ST. JOHN CHUBB, ONE OF THE
WASHINGTON BANKERS, ON THE STAND.
THH CALIFORNIA BosDs-M. q isTsnKsfKD uiHaas-
n eHvHB Knows THAI Monty WAS PAID To IHAs
Charles Sc John Chubb sworn-I am o banker 10 this
CITY was largely Interested personally In the Oaliter
Ola war bonns as they were called; and also the
agent - banker OF other parties for the coeoaon Of
those bonds sftsr the on passed. do not know that
apy money vas paid or proposed 70 De paid tn aay
cage Of thai bill l know ,ha, members have drs wn
money under that bill, which, presume,
OF o,ner parties Ifhh proper that should give ,ne
V1ill latal aln tnsfn n,oh. Of
sey, and the other Mr. Potion, Of New York | wish
say reference TO M Bishop, that think he had
tercst, ~ sny rate. think saw the the list
OF three parties ~ bondholdsrs yesdiug in the 5ato Of
New Jerscy. never know hv Pettou except being in
troduced 70 him by the bopdhoIders st the oii 20.
expenses Of parties In Washington TO look 10
the inherent Of the bondholders. A portion Of the
fund was paid into my hands after the coecos OF tue
bonds, and was retained By myself 70 cover my oxu
personal Ia trips New York and psoss
TO bring about oonoert Of action amongst the different
boDdboders never approached for the purpose of OF
eriDg or did offer any confederation p So .siure 10
noeey or In anything else TO any oftne House Of
ing himself the pssssse OF that bin or any other bil
before Congress l do not kno~ OF any promiss having
been made by any other person 10 . member Of Con
gross or 70 any agent, 10 psy any money onsr
sderaoD tosecure the pssssse OF that bill have no
kbowtdge d any corrupt nnuepcss, SUCH as the offer
BOMBS or O,ner property to any member o. Congress 70
stcpre the passage OF the CaiiorDis War Bond bill.
F. r. c. TRIPLETT, ATTORNEY AND CLAIM
AGENT, ON THE STAND.
Y. r. Q. nipietl sworn-I have been . roildent 10
Wash In ngtor aimee 15sp. | am attorney and claims
agent
b. Mr. orr-Have you any information Of your o~n
hno~edgo going 20 estabnsh the fact that any
cf Congress has directly Indirectly received money
and or any tteor valuable consideration for voting In
favor fsty railroad bills
stopss BnSG mEsBHs of rus toBBY-NaysR MADu iMPRo
Pan PROPOSALS..
Whness-1 have not. ! do not beorg 10 that body
known here ~ tho lobby, and have hsd per-
soDal inor rmson about any Of th things far as
railroads and such schemes concerned have never
been the Instrument Of snybody else for payment pro
gress. have never approached any member upon any
subtle. vi,h an mprope' proposal
any member h hat conpeoionf
MonAt sIAspso oF 's-ur sur Hs rNp
the orrans.on Of Congress who erpecu 70 carry any
thing through merely from love OF Iustce; that tho
general reputation OF Congress.
BY Mr. Orr Have you bad any conversations usgo
tstitns with members OF Congress- with Q member Of
Congress- In reference to your book mster' So state
all the facts ard details IN relation W u
rHn BorsTr LAND Law BOOK lGsrs-rHs vAY Az NJ. C.
Drcsp WINES TO HsisG ~ RroEs cosGRss
witDsss-I am almost afraid 70 msse . stateueut 10
resreucc 70 u, for really do know that could do
justice 10 the psfy and certainly desire not 70 do ojis
uce to him II 10 within your recoIl, ctiou addressing
you ana made q statement. upon which you
voted Tor q resolution 70 purchase my book.
ms bss requ.s,ed me 70 prepare asss, Of ts i...
sno DECISIONS In respect 70 pensions and bounty anf
prepared the book, and one bill passed Congress for W
purchase but through inform Atty wss defeated
~ the nes session Of oourrcss attempted again TO pro
cure tho passage Of bill for that ebieo, upon fair
presentation OF the circumstances Aier that had DO
esmned TO abandon the semp, 70 procure the passage
of any resolve or puiotasipg the book until was Ia
formed that man by the name OF Bennett had olen
compilation and vas attempting 10 obtain tue passage OF
resolve for purchasing his book vhch OF course,
was desirous OF sefea,ips was urging my friends 70
defeat bis purpose ana was combining myself 70 that
alone, when received message from Q member Of
Goa ess that he desired be introduced me and 70
In reference 70 tbs book project OF mlne DO
know that the subject matter about which ne wished 70
talk mentioned when received my Introduction. I
did him afterwards, and IN conversation apoal
that and about things an trying 70 recoIleo,
a. n Occur red though DO no know shall be able 70
state preosey a. IL occurred } the pro poeal came
10 In about this way. lie asked ms for what
amount I could Afford N pubtsh the hoax
made . calculsuon and stated what amount would "a
tsiy for the publication orr canno' state with csr
'sinty What thst amount was | think perhaps was
s 40 per copy tnnk he said he tbough the Thing could
be so, through and got through for better price than
hss rsmed told him that was willing TO take certain
'um tor my book and that u put 10 st q higher
price did not care what became OF the balance gift
Prior 70 the oose OF the ast session OF ercs rave 70
. st.l~ v.t q 49,