New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1857-08-04
KANSAS.
DIALOGUE BETWEEN 4 FREE STATE
MAN AND GOV. WAIVER.

lyesserday asked Gov. Walker, "Do ycu con-
siaeY us, in voting for the Topeka Constitution a.
- August election, as assuming position antsgo-
sistic to the United States Government !"
Goo. Walker" That election is either wicked
~ ubiquitous farce or areaity. 1t s rebelous and
mssrrectioDary, setting up a Government against
- Territorial Government As such, my duty
- cath Of Office require me to put stop to il.
mat and viii DO It. went t. Topeka when that
Legislature was in session, aud requested them no.
- enact laws; they concluded not to, except 10
IKE The census and memoir. Lze Congress. have
% objection to either of those proceedings. nd
ut the right of petition"
Free-Stase Maa-" Bat, Sir, regard the acton
Of tie people in voting for and presenting to Coz.
ssess that Constitution, as in substance making the
Detitios that Kansas be admitted as State"
Geo. "" Nothing Of the kind, Sir; they are
merely making agitation for political purposes, to
forward their nefrious schesaes and ruin the s,emO
cratic party. Most of the Northern papers have
esmoitted themselves in WY favor. In the very in
teligent City Of New-Yora, but enc paper THE
~ Y. TRIBUNE) remains in favor Of the Topeka
movement. There has been an immense falling off of
yssr Republican party, Sir. This Lawrence move
ment is an vsurpatiOn Of government, produced tor
the purpose Of killing me politically, and electng
Black Republican President N 1850. 1t is done
BY q faction in Lawrence, who obey The orders OF
kbolitionists and Abolition Societies OF the NORTH
sseh men as those who mssage and support THE
TRIBUNE, the great fomtap-head Of the mischief.
They can have ne hope of being admitted with the
Topeka Constitution; it is impossibe."
+. 8. M" But, Sir, naany Of Us think we have
q well.gr,pDded hope of being admitted under it, as
we expect to pol al overwhelming majority OF the
settlers in its favor. Our intentions are not treason
Ia W.. alv anfs fhrnI oh
the ballot-box. We make no collision with the laws
sfthe United States We intend to vote in October
upder United States GS, which we should not do
Il we previously aimed to supersede IT."
Coz. W." You have no hope whatever, Sir, ID
that Constitution. This Congress is opposed to you.
Yea sheuld wait and vote on the Constitution now
about being framed. Your people of Lawrence
have tired three times to provoke me to bring the
troops here. First, they refused to be assessed;
second, they refused to hold delegate election IL
June, took possession of tho polls, and prevented
tie citizens from voting G y and now have refused
to accept charter from the Territorial Legislature
Dat have formed a city government themselves, an
act of rebellion against the Government and laws
which must be suppressed. Your people, unGer
pretense Of removing dead horses and cats from the
streets have taken the position of rebels against the
Government Of the United States, AID actually com
PEELED me to come here with the troops The Sher-
III has made the assessment without valuation, as nc
had legal right to do" :.
+. S. M" But, Sir, We hold that people ought
not to be taxed without representation. We have
not been represented in the Territorial Legls-
kture. We regard the payment of this tax as con-
fribuiing money to usurpers TO provide letters lOr
our own linbs. We regard bringing the troops
here as Pro- Slavery Measure, calculated 10 make
unnecessary agitation both here and in the States,
to make political capital for certain leaders, and re-
4ar1 Northern emigration In June many OF us
were not registered and consequently DISTINGUISHED:
was not voter, no census having been taken iu
my ne9hborhoOd."
Gee. ". (silent fe, few memeuts.) "Your To-
peka Constitution is an imposition upon the people,
Sir; it contains provision guaranteeing the prop.
erty right in all slaves new IN the Territory. Bat
= is done covertly. Why not openly syow it ?"
f. s. NJ. "Ihat clause proves that we are not
robbers; that we are disposed to regard the prop
erty right to the few slaves now here, but which
will doubtless be removed by their owners before
this becomes Free State. 1t cannot be done
cOverty, if as you assert, the face OF the instrument
shows it,"
Gov w. now assumed the attitude of champion
of the Constitutional Convention, declared it to be
"thc hope. object and aim Of AbotOnists that they
&" should frame very ultra Pro-Slayery Constitution,
sin order that the Material Democrats may sc
"driyen into opposition and thus elect Black Be
s'publican President in 1869. but their expectation
~ will probably be.disappointed."
He made the charge, unheard of before, that the
Free-State men, at previous elections, have voted
by proxy, one man throwing twenty-five or twenty
M votes; and throughout three hours sonyersa-
ZION showed himself the shrewd, wary politician
rather than the statesman. He aleO reiterated lis
former promises that the ballOt-eOx should be re-
stored to the people in October In this he appears
to be sincere.
drew his attention to the fact that u eowardly
and brutal attempt to assaslnate Dle had recently
been made by Territorial officer, in the presence
of United States 'Conmis1iOner, also Justice ei
Ahe Peace ~ who refused rae warrant fox his ar
rest and bogus Sheriff present declined to take the
rufian into custody. / asked the Governor what
means now possess for legal redress. lie frankly
acknowledged that he did Nc. know.
How walker could suppose provocation existed
10 bring the troops here account Of the refusal OF
the people to be assessed when, as ne asserts, the
Sheriff had legal right to make the assessment with
ont yaluatios, / leave him to explain. Bat boldly
assert that the peopehcre did not prevent the open
ins of the polls. The fact WIS, nobody wanted the
election enough TO act as its judges. Gov w.
makes prominent roiRt in his of the assertion
chat the City Charter acquires the city officers to
take oath to support the Topeka Constitution ihis
charge is not well founded. The form OF OATH ~
similar to that in use in several OF the States, ana
binds the officer 10 support the Constitution OIL tne
United States and "0f this State" Ire expression
"of this State is perfectly harmless, es 1t cannot
beexpected aud is not intended TO contain any Wal
force until this becomes a State and viii then OF
eourse apply to any Constitution under which Ksn-
.As may be admitted. dare him to his proofs that
any State anan ever voted 70 Kansas by proxy
Whether Walker viii fulfill his threat Of "pattng
. stop to the election, is matter OF much doubt.
There is nothing in the present political aspect 81
Kansas that need be expected TO preclude peaceful