Indiana American. [volume] (Brookville, Ind.) 1833-1861, 1857-12-25
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knows that directly or indirectly, public
" or privately, anywhere upon the face
Of the earth, | was ever present at such
where it was called to my
attention, and agreed to pass it without
submission TO tho people | now ask
him that question, with all secrecy re-
moved.
Mr.. BraLER--I shall say distinctly
what my recollection is clear about, re-
gardless of any consequences. | remem-
ber very well that question was discussed
in. the house of the Senator. | am not
certain that he participated in that dis
cussion; but know that did. IL was
urged-I think more especially by the
Senator from Georgia, Mr. Toombs, not
now in his seat--that under the circum-
stances, ere oagnt not to be- provision
inserted requiring that constitution TO be
submitted 20 the people. | do not say
that the Senator from Illinois participated
In the discussion. My recollection Is not
clear on that point; but 1t is clear that in
an interview with some three or four
members, who we've talking about the in
PRODUCTION OF that bill, that subject was
talked over | have said that il always
was my understanding that that conven-
ton would have right TO make constitu.
ton, and send il here, without submitting
il 70 the people.
Mn. DoUoLAs--I never have insisted
that there was clause In that bill ex
pressly requiring the constitution to be
submitted to the people. The point |
have made was, that being silent, il was
understood as matter of course that it
was TO be submitted. Such a clause was
unnecessary. That was the Presidents
construction of the act OF the Kansas
Legislature. That was my construction
of the Toonsbs bill. That l may have
known there. was no such ei~usr ----<a-
lQuestonabIy true; out that | was party
either by private conferences at my own
house, or otherwise, 10 plan TO lorsc'-a
constitution on the people of Kansas
without submission, is not true. That
the bill was silent on the subject Is
true, and my attention was called 10 that
about the time il was passed; and | took
the fair construction 10 be, that powers
not delegated were reserved, and, that OF
course the constitution would be submitted
TO the people The point | made on the
Senator was that he insnuated that | wa.
party TO such an arrangement privately
which he was not at liberty to tell, and
yet he insinnate the very fact that he
as All honorable man, conld not tell. II /
point OF honor has restrained him from
telling il, point OF honor should RESTRAIN
him from fascinating II.
Mr.. BIGLER-in my anxiety to relieve
, the feelings OF the Senator from Illinois
fear | may have done injustice to my
self Now, sir, | wish TO account for tn
impression which was on my mind, an,
, 10 make no imputation Oh him. | ha'
: called ms attention to the Toombs BIZ
! because II was in derogation OF the doc
trne he had laid down here to-day
When he says there was no sentiment q
that kind declared IN the Senate, | sa
: hold that Senator only TO the recon
here-only 10 the Journal OF Debates
What next, sirY | justified myself i
: what | have said by an allusion 10 a dis
: cusslon vi that precise question wit
: members OF tins body. My purpose wa
10 show tue Senator that i should ne
= nave made this allegation without SOM
, :, clear impression ON my mind. That In
= preston, tell the Senator from llllnol
was strengthened by other things.
= was strengthened by the fact that whe
lac made the preparatory bill Tor the at
= mission ol minnesota, he provided in .,
:, press " OrdS, that the constitution should
= submitted. IL II 10 an Inference irresist
:, bio, that "a constitution must DO submlttC
- when the enabling act Is silent, why II
70 sert II IN the Minnesota bill There 1t
~ inserted, aud / Thought It reasonable
~ always believed Al believed IL was Wi
W 10 nut II lu thaC shape, IA view ol q
surroundings IA the< icrritogy of Kahsa
O. do not lmpugn the Sonator's integrlt
id ar his patrlot,sm, or hlgh motive. or h
II courage. vr anything tnat pertains 10 hi
II personally. iie has nad no more consta
rs admller tnan my seil-none who has q
at tended hlm oiLeuer. thought | W
ut doing iustlce ~ myself. On account
he What heard, IN regard to the Minnesc
be bill, | got Tue IMPRESSION that unle
cd Congress required tue submission OF /
'rt constitution W vote OF the people, II
'ct course need not be pursued.
'e- Mr.. hALR-l rise SIMPLY for the pr
II pose vi making an inquiry. This mat
nas been prettS toleraOly well calculate
lat Out the honorable Senator from Penns,
OF wanna, II did not misunderstood III
ais said that, at private meeting at
M house vi the honorable Senator from l.
| A. 10.
be peculiar circumstances, IL was not prud'
lat 10 submit the constitution To the peoI
IbS OF Kansas desire him 10 state WI
d., some oi tnoSe peculiar circumstances VI
u winch rendered II lnexpedieut aud IN
90 tnouc. l have not the slightest cont
ne versy with the Senator from Illinois
nj that subject,
- ~, Mr.. BIGLER-The Senator from n
-, Hampshire 10 much more familiar W
~ the surroundings IN Kansas than he elIe
S TO be to-day.
Mr.. HALL did not know what J
nv talked vi over there.
Der Mr.. BIGLER-I had reference IAN,
he think | made that very clear TO the G.
nv dltlon VI the Territory, the bitter f
be that divided the people there, the str
nre ANA violence that were likely to interf
Der VIII lar election. said distinctly 1
he the circumstances rendered fair exerC
it OF the elective franchise exceedingly dl
int cult. Who has said more on that DC
aid than the Senator from New Hampshi
Inc Who has talked more about usurpat
ice aud violence there, and keeping free ST
TO people from the polls had the sa
be impressions then that | have now.
zen ali the votes | gave was controlled 4
lmpeiled,by nearly the same motive
now, ANA that was 10 get Kansas Into
10 Union, whenever she came up In an allC
able shape, Ia order " settle the cont
versy.
10 Mr.. DOUGLAs-l must ask the Sens
Jay irom Pennsylvania whether he means
Intimate that Ia my house, or any oil
'nS These considerations were urged why
WI should pass the bill without provis
w , 10 submit the constitution 10 the Poop
'"i Does he mean 10 say that ever War,
vas vately or publicly, in my own house