The weekly pioneer and Democrat. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. Territory) 1855-1865, 1857-12-31


! complained that the Senator from Pennsyl
vania seemed disposed to put him in false
position. The true tes, il, the Constitution
mast be submitted or rejected and the only
true way of ascertaining whether the Con
sti,ution i. acceptable or rot is to submit it
to the people.
Mr.. Bigler explained that he did no, say
Mr.. ID. maintained the ground that an ena.
bling act was necessary in al cas- :. out tina,
he had taken the ground that il was necessa.
ry in the case OF Kansas. The Senator had
disposed o, his own argument by saying tina,
he was no, always consistent. and that wise
man viii always change his views whenever
he thinks himself wrong.
Mr. Douglas wanted to know by what au'
shortly Mr.. Bigtr said the Lecomp,on
movement was an administrative measure.
The message did not say so Had he any
higher authority than that!
Mr. Bgler replied that he had made the
deduction from the message dnf fro7 Tad
be k,or -, addition. lie did not assert in
terms that /, was an administrative measure,
hut said the administration held the move
mcnt legal, so far rs il hal PROGRESSED How
could the President make recommendation
prior 10 the result of the vote which he says
in his message he is waiting for
Mr.. Douglas replied that he should like
10 know riaf Other source of information the
Senator had as he (Mr Bigler) bad that
much advantage OF him.
Mr.. Is. was not at liberty 70 say that this
was an Administration measure, but would
allow Mr.. u. 10 define what II was
Mr.. Douglas again wanted 10 know rHGf
those other sources " Information rere which
authorized Mr. Biglcr 10 read him out Of
the Democratic party for no, sustaining that
measure!
Mr.. Bglcr denied that he said ono worl
about reading any man ont OF the party
Did Mr. Douglas mean to make an issue with
the Administration When he makes an
issue cant he tell what il is,
Mr.. Douglas--The Senator did not use
the words, but h. insinuated strongly 20 that
effect; he seemed 10 be- carrying out the sys.
TEN which had been pursued by every pen
sioucd letter writer for the hat four weeks,
intimating tina, he (Mr. Douglass deserted
the Democratic party and passed to the Re
publlcans.
Mr.. Bigler. deny any such accusation.
! said the Senator's position had excited
mmnentary qualification on the other side OF
the chamber and regret on this.
Mr.. Douglas replied he had been denounc-
ed by men who were willing 10 sink the adj.
mnis,ra,ion tor the purpose OF killing on
northern men that every press which can
be controlled is thus controlled, Is nndcnia-
BILE ; that ninetetn-twcnteth Of the indie
pendent press. those that do not depend on
the government for support, are with him in
sustaining the creed OF the Democratic par
~ aud the Cincinnati platform but the few
who are not allowed 70 speak for themselves
are cndcavorng TO drive him, where they
coui not drive him. 10 desert the principles
avowed and maintained by the Democratic
party, because he does not coincide with the
President on the questions Of the Lecomp-
ton Constitution, the Pacific Railroad, and
bankrupt laws ~ applied TO banks.
Mr.. Douglas resumed. Then If every one
of the gentlemen around him were at liberty
thus to dissent from the President on the
bankrupt law, railroad, tariff and other
measures, was no, he (Mr. d. gbe permit
ted 10 Judge for himself on the subject of
the Lecompton movement! lie did not IN.
derstapd the extraordinary desire 70 strike
blow which would either cripple him or
drive him out Of the party, or make the
country believe he had left the party
Would Senator Bigler endorse every recon
incubation in the Presidents message, and
say he is prepared TO carry It OUT
Mr.. Bigler replied that it was not at all
probable that be agreed with every scmti-
ment OF the President. lie had no desire
to lay down rule by which the Senator
should be- read out Of the party.
Mr. Douglas wished 10 know If the Al.
ministration did not regard rs wanting in
party feeling those who refused 20 join in
the LecOmpton movement!
Mr.. Bgler replied that be- could not 20
further into the subject. He bad already
cndeavored TO express his views with all the
clearnesS Of which he wGs capable, and If
the Senator thought proper TO assume that
this was party MEASURE and that he Doug.
lasj was out OF The party because he differ
ed with the administration that wa biz
fDouglasJ own business. he tBiglerl had
laid down no such rule.
Mr.. Douglas replied tina, the Senator
from Pennsylvania Informed the senate that
he had other sources OF information in re-
gard 10 the purpoaes Of the administration
IN making this party measure. H. b.
lIevci that the charges that be- douglas
VA going over to the Black Republicans.
we're made By men hostile 10 him and
actually hostile ~ the administration
They were from persons who wished 10 get
him into false position ior Interior purposes.
He did not mean that men whose claims 10
the confidence Of the Democratic party
were not superior to his own should read him
out Of the Democratic party. The report
ws being circulated everywhere tina, the
President is prepared 10 put The knife 10 the
throat ofevery man who dares 10 differ from
the administration. and think FOR himself, On
this question. lie believei that those who
circulated srch reports wer enemies 10 the