New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1857-01-22
NETWORK DAILY TRIBUNE. THURSDAY JANUARY g. 1857.


ne,t desired to .ead messages over the line should
pay for thsm Jus. prvsts citizen wood, sne 20
Mr., COLLAMER stated that the Company desired
IN have some Kind Of security before they hazarded
such an immense outlsy. Ali that vas now proposed
was thst this Governms mt should pat Use" UP'] ING
same terms a. the British Government ~
Mr. BENJAMIN suggested that thir OIL ala n0t
limit this overnn ent TO the aid that inc Dri'n
Government had already afforded, but 70 WINS. inc!
night afford in future-wLich was very indefinite
NJ, SEWARD moved TO amend tue bill to eov'ste
i;oc, IA with the pioyiso that the contract 70 Dc
made by the British Government sos not DC % gu,
from that already props sed by ,hat 1oyeIoens W ''
New York cpd New foundlaId Telegraph Company
Mr.. RUSK thought the guaranty OF s'OOV per
anpum by Ills Goveinmen, Tor work Of such mssni;
tuie and ia poriance was very moderate ne "ouia
be Wiling TO vote for s@oV No yea , S~,,. armand.
ne1t would be adopted, as the bul, In us present
fom, was liable te the objection of uncertainty a. 10
the amount of oblga iion this Government "ouiu "-
Mr. SEWARD stated that the wire fog this telegraph
xss Aready made and the whole enterprise had mere
tofore bee conducted and managed win American
capital On the 4th OF July next u tne OIL pass uete
viii be grde around the world. IL Is proposed 10
lnd vessels belonging to Tire United States Navy, as
tbe British Government will led her vessels, 10 lay
down this wire because there are not commercial
marine vessels suitable for that work. Ii we 90 MOI
AXE this contract the Brtih Government will have
niortv of NEST ages and shall have to pay tor the
use of the line in accordance With the contract whicn
thew may make; but If we DO make this contract, we
sfa stand upon terms of equality with that Govern
meDt.
Mr. HUNTER remarked that both termin Of the
lie ere within British dominious and he would like
to know what guaranty We would have IN tune OF war
that we could then have use Of the line.
MIR SEWARD rephed-lt appeared not to have
been contemplated by the British Government and be
he ped they Proceeded reasonably that there would ever
be interruption to the amicaoe Iesuohs between ,no
two countries When this question first came up, this
ides presented itself TO his mind, and be suggested 70
the Telegraph Committee that It ought to DC the sub
ect Of a treaty between the United States and Great
Britain He sent 10 the President and Secretary o.
State for tie purpose of seeing whether the whole
matter could net be settled by treaty to secure thas
object but it found that it would protact regou,
atoms until after the ih of July ard on this account
the papers were returned without seton beng tsken
thereon Now the question arose, Whist should be
done upon this subject That the termini were
both within the British domnicns us true,
and il was equally tue there was ne ter
minus on this continent unless II were within
the British dominions and we have 30 domln'ons on
the other side of the Atlantic. There was no other
route upon which Geographic wire could De lad
across the ocean. This was distance OF seventeen
hundred miles, and 1t was not even certainly Known
that Il fluid could be transmitted to this distance Dc
meath the ocean Thif was scientific experiment,
and the C., mpany were prepared to make It. Ii we
shall ever 20 to war with Great Britain, which no
hoped might never happen. we should need 70 nave
both terufni in our possession in order TO avail our
selves of the telegraph but his notion was that when
the Geographic wire was once lald there would
be no mere war between England and the United
States.
ennium was go near at hand the Senator from New
York supposed. For his part he should ike TO see
some substantial guaranty In the bill by which the
United States shall have the same advantages IN time
of war as the British Government 1t seemed 10 him
that the proposition was for this Government to con-
tribute largely to sobeme which would give Great
Britain great superiority in time of war.
Mr. RUSK replied we were not making contract
with Great Britain but with private Company. How
could we make contract to guarantee rights 70 US
case We should go 10 war with Great Britain
Mr. HUNTER said the matter could be deferred
ubtil this treaty was arranged ana lnat was wnal
Mr.. RUSK answered that we could cut the wire in
two or three hours ii should go TO war; but would
be great me ans Of preventing var we should nave
such a line of communication.
Mr. CASS hoped the matter would he provided for
by inserting in the bill the provso that no money
should be expended until we receive assurances from
the Birth Government that we shall not be cut of In
time Of war.
Mr. Pugh offered an amendment that this act shall
not take efect until treaty has been concluded and
ratified between the Governments OF Great Britain and
the United States whereby such portions OF the Brsh
soIs az command the western terminus OF said
submarine telegraph sha have been subjected TO the
principle OF naturalization adopted 10 the convention
felatye to Central America ard sgned at Washington
in April 1880, and such other convention supplement
tsry thereto a. may be ratified hereafter.
Mr.. PUGH saio this communication, In time Of war,
would not only be useless to U.s. but vast deal of in
Jury and in tine of peace what we proposed to pay
would be more than the dispatches would amount TO-
Mr. Pugh arg1ed generally in support OF his amend
ment WI ch he said if not adopted, would render II
necessary in case of to iuvade Newfoundland ans
take possession of that terminus as matter Of sell
defense.
Mr.. SEWARD ssid that If this Government does not
choose TO make contract it would be easy for Britain
TO advance the whole amount and have the entire con-
troll Of the line in in peace III we make the
contract we share the control ia the time OF peace and
postpone or lessen the chances Of war.
Nj BALE wac sorry 10 hear the chance OF war re- |
ferred TO in connection with matters of this kind The
sane Argument would apply against IN king a2propH
siops for commercial purposes. If the British chose
10 emf Of their end of the Suspension Bridge end
of il would not be worth much Laughter He did
not believe that the Creator put man on earth TO be
always in q state Of war.
Mr.. TOOMBS lin his seat said, war Is the natural
state of man.
Mr.. HALE-We are coming to spiritual state now
Laughter We have lived forty years without having
' ar th Britain and believe not likely to occur
in forty years to come. advocate this propocion as
a peace not war, measure.
Dir. BUTLER spoke adversely TO the bill.
MIR. DOUGLAS opposed Mr. Pughs amendment.
Mr. TOOMBS regarded the bill as for the benefit OF
private individuals rather than Government.
MIR. TOUCEY favored the bul, but suggested amend
nents.
Without final action the Senate adjourned
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
Dr. ORR from the Corruption Investigating Com
mttee rose to submit report and resolution; also
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