New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1857-02-21


ecp7erss:.ons the lat BE- e1pec,ed % receive VIZ
pessI d. not think be ever stated 70 me the amount
| he expected % receive.
By NJ. W.r, er-Wh.. d. be ssy .ho1: his exoects-
| tion Ct being benefited By I: Wizes+hy impres-
sion is sni give sOply AZ AZ impressioo 10; re
frs. copVeIssiioD ia. occurred between Is upon ne
subject u tie rrom ~ a. esst 10 ice presen OF
NJ Gi!ber;: zbe.bsr bad teen tod beforehand, Q.
whether then be.,d De vas {, Dc the rec pent OF
| portion Of he money, Cannot Ely, out nom the con
versston tns. occurred O-:wetn rs | snorid nave
drawn the ded.c.iJn .hs be h.d ioe-est N K;
| think probably that he assed me waa, an oant ESQ
b s2Ieed OF With NJ Glbs-, but these are matters
in which cannot -nder:aks 70 oe &C iarsie;; -.
| By Mr.. WaroeT-YJu, OF course, told nln me
| srourt ha. had been ssre:j OF NIness-l do no.
know tbs; Oil tell him The exact amount think II
very sely thai :)ld him thai i. w4s up % eef's.n
amount ~ithvu. informing him Accurately about II, De-
supposed ,ba, i: re wss TO get any coupensa-
iion be get /. from NJ. Gi bert and that Iaey
wsuld make ther srTan. neDts 10 &c her:
| BY Mr.. OIr-Did be expect 20 receive anything
| Wrness-I have no 1oob. be aid.
| BY Mr.. Orr-Wbyl Wirn.ss-From the converse
ton that took psce between Us 1t may be possloie
that be told what be expected TO receive; had no
doubt ct the time that he old expec, 70 receive some
thing; tbir L be asked NE wis. could DO 10 certain
ousritr.; told him thu. could not do anything IN
that way; tha. hsd some friends who would sapeor.
my book and who were of course, desrous 70 support
ny interest think the. he, as well az other parties,
had united up assistance they were able to rem
Ger and wanted TO knos what assistance could e1-
| pect from my friends
| By Mr.. Ofr-Nhen you TAXED 70 nlln az III IL ~oS
| fxed in your mind that be TO receive q com
pepsation did be 10 talk az YOU unde stood toe
| isc, Witness have stated as definitely as am
| able 10 state what occurred in these Conversations;
there vas no hssAncy upon the matter; tnnk II was
understood by both parties that i, was expected he
would receive sone compensation; | do not think
ever besid Mr. Gibert cay what amount he ntendedto
give him; suppose Il is Understood, thar 10 most OF
csc frequent conversations there reference 10
al pecunisiy transaction at all but SIMPLY the thing
| be pg UNDERWOOD between as, they would ask me
bao seen certain parties whom expected TO support me,
how much support could rely on outside VI tnese
sppljsnces; | do not think that | knew personally
Member of Congress that could approach In that way
II mad desired and rt,inly should not have de-
sired TO make any such approaches TO amemoer
| By Mr. Warner-Dd you hold these conversations
with more thsn one Me nber Of Congress beside Mr..
| Gilbert Witness-No, Sir.
| By MI Wsner-Will you state the name of that
nembtri Wltness-Tha question 70 winch 90
net think the Con mtee have Alright under the cream
star Gee TO exact answer from ME; II had made q
| bargain with him mysef, OF course could be com
peltd 10 answer, hsd no doubt, from the convefsa
hons held with him, tina, be expected TO receive COM
| pensaiion, but had no certainty OF It.
BY Mr.. Rtche-Iou say. In the first place, you hao
no coubt and in the sentence that you had no Ger
tsinty Are you certain at be did expect to receive
| some amount Witpess-I feel perfectly we'll con-
vino. that be did would not say that be did MOI tell
ME that be expected TO receive some amount ner could
l say positively that be did
| The Committee upon consultation, decided that tue
witness wss required the question. The VIII
mess declined to answer, and was allowed to retire for
the preeent
| MR. CHASE, THE EX.-M. C., RECALLED.
| The Hon. George w. Chase recalled:
| In response to the question prJpounded when the
witness last before the Committee, VIZ Dd you,
as the asent or any Other capacity, OF any company
or companies ever execute any bond or oog aton 70
convey Lar d. any other valuable consideration 10
aby usrson or persons on condition that any railroad
bill passed pending in this Congress, should pass
be- the witness, presented the following answer IN
writing:
| matter about which the Committee are authorized to
il quie, as to any Member of Congress- respectfully
deny the right OF the Commute to inquire INTO my PR
yate dealings with other pc than Members OF Con-
grte therefore decline 10 answer the question as pro-
| pounded by the Committee, a. am advised by my
| counsel have the Iightto do , .
BY tn. Chairman-Do you know Of any combination
in which any member of Congress has been or is now
epgseed or OF which he has any knowledge the object
of vhch was, or is, to procure the passage OF any
| measure through thepresent Congress Whness-ldo
not know Of any.
BY Mr. Ritchie-Did YOU ss the agent of any compa-
py in any other capacity ever execute any bono or
ober obligation to convey lsud or any other valuable
consider sion TO any person persons, on condition
that any railroad bill passed or pending IN this Con-
gress should pass which bond or obligation was held
Der Of the present Congress Wtness-l consider the
question relating 10 personal mater, siluar 70 the
have already declined TO answer and decline to
anewer Il.
BY Mr. Ritcbie-Did you, as the agent of any com.
pany or in any other capacity ever execute any bond
or other obligation to convey land or any other valua
Bile consideration to any person or persons on condi
ton that any railroad bill passed or pending In this
Congress should pass in which bond or obligation any
member Of this Congess had has an interest direct
or Indirect Witness-I did not.
| BY Mr.. Ritcbie-Did you, as the agent Of any COM
pony in any other capacity, ever execute any bond
or other obligation TO convey lana or any other Valaa-
,be considerat on any person persons on condl-
ten that any railroad bill passed, or pending in this
| Congress should psss, with the knowledge OF any
member Of Congress upon wh'ch the vote o: any mem
| Der having such knowledge was TO depend Witness
| i did not.
BY Mr. Ritchie-Did you, as the agent Of any com.
psny in soy other capacity execute any bond
other obligation TO convey land, or any other valid
able consideration 10 any person or persons on condi
fion that any railroad bill psssed, pending In this
Cspgress should pas and upon which the vote of any
Member of Congress was TO depend Witness-l did
| not.
BY Mr. Warner-Have you ever hsd any converse
| ton with auy Member Of Congress in which he ed-
ited TO you that be had any present interest any
| e1pectant Interest, in the passage of any bill which
hao been, OF IL now pending before Congress W.T.,
| pess-I do not know will not say that hsve and
will not say that have not; have talked good deal
| with some Members Of Congress, and viii not cay
| that have not had such conversation, though do
lot now call II 20 mind.
| Nv Mr. Warn.~Whsti l. the best Of your recoIec
oc upon that point Witress-I csnno. low refer 70
any such conversation that Save had, and still will
Lot cay that may not have had su,h conversation.
| BY Mr.. Warnef-Hsve you DO recollection In regard
| 70 Il one way or the other Wtness-Tnst will de-
| pend 70 Cd deal circumstances; there are good
many pubic measures which would interest every cr
Zen in the STATE town city to which 1t referred.
| BY Mr.. Wan ef-Hsve you ever heard any member
Of The present Cons res in any conversation you have
had with HIM soy 10 YOU that he had any pecuniary IN
terest or any other interest Of washable character,
| embracing lsnd any other Article Of value IN any
railroad or other bill that has been pending or i pend
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