The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-12-24
House OF Representatives.


PROPOSED EXPULSION DELEGATE FROM UTAH.
Mr.. wAsRss, (sdm) of Ark, rose to a question Of
privilege, and offered the following preamble and resolu
ton
Whereas, appears from the proclamation Of Brigham
Young, late Governor of Utah aud from the Prcsdes
H. a. sau ~ now open reDeo
Resolved That the Committee on Territories be in
srucied to consider and report on the facts and inquire
into the proprety OF excluding from seat the floor or
the House the delegate from that Territory.
Sir. W4RRES said that this was question which the
country and every honest desired should be nves
gated Members were sitting here with delegate
Territory which was not only morally but legally In
states.
Mr. RANKS (opp) Of Mas said the fac, tina, the pre-
ambe declares that state o. war exists did no bring the
matter before the House n question Of privilege Ne
admitted that the conclusion affected the delegates rights
but the facts upon which Mr. Warren based hs concu
sion did not Affect his right at all.
The STEAMER remarked that the preamble might or
nigh, not 30 adopted by the House.
Mr. Bccocs, tadml Of Va, admitted that this vas a
question Of privilege; hut IL would be for The House
TO say whether the reasons assigned should be al
mi,cd He was not, nor was the House, prepared to
assert that the facts charged constituted 4 sufi-
Gent ground for the rejection of the delegate
Tho House cannot st upon nquistion Of morals re
gion. We cannot declare state Territory in cond
t5u Of moral rebellion, and that therefore representa-
tive Is not entitled 70 be heard this ioor part OF
the state might be IN rebelion yet those who
true and loyal entitled 10 representation But VIC have
facts by which declare Utah in legal rebellion
against the country. Where Is the message Of the rcsi
declaring that Utah is IN state OF rcbeions 7,
would do harm refer this resolution 10 the Commit
tee on Territories for investigation.
Mr HrnrHRr MARSHAL OPP Of Ky thought that
under all circumstances the House ought entertain
the subject all II would be observed that everything
Brigham Young has done has been ii the capacity 81 civil
Governor Of Utah There is strong probability that the
people Of the Territory might be deceived as 10 inc extent
TO which Brigham Young Governor. had RICH. 90.
He mad frequently thought that would have been pru
deu for the incoming Governor TO have met the p-oca.
nation of Brigham Young with a counter proclamation,
showing the tact Of his (CummngsD appointment He
would thus have stripped from the shoulders OF Young
tho cloak under which he Il now acting and placed tho
Inhabitants of Utah in position to resist He (Marshal)
was Tree to say that the President would have done better
II he had issued proclamation W the people OF Utah,
setting forth the fact OF Youngs removal and the ap
pontmcut Of Cummings. There were gentlemen here
who believe in the doctrine that State has right
cede from tho contederacy and to resist laws which
may deem unconstitutional Would the House conceive
they have the right to instruct the Committee Elec-
tons or special committee, TO inquire whether, Ia view
OF these facts they should he excluded from seats IN this
haR
Mr. Nouns (adm) Of fll wished instructions to tho
Committee Territories TO report bill repeal the act
organizing the Territory Utah and attaching that Terri
tory to other territory, for judicial purposes.
Mr. DAVIS, opp OF Md said The preamble assumed
that the delegate representative u rebelous govern
ment, and not that Of the people who elected him There
can be no such thing Of State or Territory
against the government II the United states. II the ST
ting delegate did not not take part n the rebcoA he has
re rights eaual 70 any otner gen.y'nan w ane noT
ing to the constitution, while the innocent should have
counsel 70 plead In their defence Nothing was
cred 10 the people Of the and Territories than tho
right ~ representation, and should be protected At
every point
Mr. BANKs (opp) OF Mass, objected TO the resolution
although under other circumstances there was no mem
Der who would eheerfully cnter into an nve<ga
ton than himself There not sufficient grounds 10
justify proceedings whether te delegate was entitled
10 his seat The President his message docs no, say
that exists In Utah, bot that brigham Young
has threatened rebellion. md inmecs that some az bis
threats may be idle Boosting Therefore he recommends
that additional regiments he raised r service IN that Ter
ritory
Nj. WARREN said be wanted an investigation, and vas