The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-05-20

b not Greet when no heard OF the hrs, ab-
suacion being MADE oy nm sasss.ea 70 nun 70 re-.
chance here that was the substance Of tho first inter
view.
the shares who operated toeether A. He named Grele
and Parrot don't remember that he named Others al
though IL might have been.
olera,ion' A Ho said he:wa' to receives part halves
with Grelet
Carpenter at the second interview
Objected tn. Exception
INQUIRED wha, bad become OF tho money; Carpenter
severed that was all lost had no direct conversation
h Carpenter in my presence Carpenter expressed his
surprise at having been arrested as IN his opinion he
Nv Busted objected This conversation must be proved
by Tissandicr.
Obiectlon oyerruled. Excepted to-
O. To whom this conversation addresseds
Objected TO- Objection overruled Exoepdon.
A. Il WAS addressed more particularly " Mr. Ttssan.
DO you recolect whether In this conversation did
or did M, refer TO his having any money!
Objected 10 rs leading Overruled. Exception.
lie mentioned that he had small amour or money
10 bank notes, Frebch-that was about ALL don't re-
member the that he mentioned; these several
a,ions with Carpenter Gree& aud Parrot had In
the French language l understand that language; /
speak it,
the market value OF tho stock Of the Northern Railroad
Company Of Frances
relevant Objection sustained.
Cross examined BY Mr. Busecd-I have resided in New
York about six years. previously al Paris and Havre Mr.
Belmont has given full power OF attorney, Ia which
named jointly with Mr. Christmas; 1t u recorded II Is
in 1853.
Objected to as irrelevant Sustained
0 Are you interested In Belmones prontR
Objected to- Sustained. Excepted u.
Wness--I didn't call Parrot by any name tho hrst day
saw him. he didn't call himself by any name; Mr.. Christ
present when he called himself Dubud; Feicte
present; eke; this was in special room; It
was about 10 in the morning he came; call that very
early because is the commencement OF business hours
The station Parrot spoke of Guerin don't remember
at he spoke of David didn't know David In this
try; Davo came in Saturday morning, whilst talk
ing with louis (desgnAes him. with spectaclee) saw him
Of il; there can be no doubt OF IT. Louis IS
brought out the vestibue Saturday; In the
private ROOM Eugene there; don't know who else
there unless Of the police; David passed by;
wasn't brought into the room think he came alone no
police oacer with him. David wasn't prese Mt at any
versaion with Parrot Carpenter wasn't present. this
three weeks before had the conversation with
CARPENTER the Sixth ward station he had been arrested
tho night Previous don't member the precise date
think October 18th 18th; think was October; can
tain by the almanac Of last year, net OF this year
am an accountant there books in my Office that will
SHOW the data letter book mentioning his arrest-a let
ter written iom him 10 Rothschid Bros Paris; didn't
procure The arrest Of Carpenter; didn't aid In it, pro-
curement
q Did you know prior To his arrest that they had
tanned his whereaboutf
Objected TO- Objection sustained. Exception.
O. Was your principal interested In his arrest A. Not
III the arrest except tina. might lead to the recovery OF
the money as he shareholder in the Northern Rail
road Company don't know 10 what amount; don't
think IL very large, because 1t was some money In
ves,ed by Belmont in EuroPe he invested 100000 in Eu
rope in purchasing stocks but don't know how much in
lhs stock did sot authorize anybody, either myself
Jointly by attorney, to arrest Carpenter reward or
ier ed Of 81 Geo. In the name Of August Belmont for the
Tssander oei ed it, he was not Bem nts agent for this
purpose We have psad bills OF advertising this subject
think paid the HNAID's BILL made out To August Bel
nj mt
mont Christmas myself except that he has letter Of
creit for 20ooo francs upon Belmont have paid that
coo reward Mr. Knight don't remember his nrst name
check book he Bank Of the State Of New York will
show know him. he Is in business In Washington, d.
c. don't know what business; think he is q claim agent
he resides in Washington; don't know were know him
bat short time previous 10 Carpenuers arrests weck
before this 900 not debited to nssandiers letter
Of credit the reward paid for his apprehension, not
for his conviction.
DID this Knight give you any proof tina! he
hs man who appreh.nded CsTpenuers
MT Busteed-H should turn out that Knight was not
the person who apprehented Carpenter II would snow the
OLA that Knight the thief fugitive from justice
Objected to. Overrued. Excepted.
res, ncv er Knew him In France before
Try Carpenter told me he was Carpenter, AMI seeing
Ques ton repeated Ruled out
W,nces-Iia Knight, believe, DAY or two afscr
Csrpcnticr's arrest
q When did on see hima
Objected To- Sust dned. Exception.
Q Did you ace him any shcrs except In New York;
Objected to. Sustained. Exception
o who vas present with Knight when you paid him
the 81 ,0oos
Objected to- Sustained. Exception.
Wimess-Somc ono was present with him
@ VITO wa ~
OBJECTION sustained. Exception.
q Was Francs Tou present.
Objecte TO. Ruled out
witness-rolcemsn GODDARD was not present; think
heln was no, present. am Mt positive; think Ryer
vi not present
o Was DE Angels present.
Objected o.. Sustained. Exception.
wimess-I think Devoe was na present; no was not;
Capt Leonard was not; Goopfert was not
.. Was AorTough presenY
Objected to. Ruled out Exception.
wi;uess-De Montholon was Lot present. Berry vas not
CAPT Hdriise was not prcseat
Y Wa there more prcsent Than cney
Ohle,lion sustained. Excepted 20.
q Hsve YOU paid money aoou, this matter 10 anybody
oise, bcsidcs that 81 Goa A. Yes, sir.
q To whcmS
t,bicctel 10 Sustained.
wiross-l know Do Voc, tho policeman.
Q Have you psid any money TO him IN this mstter'
Objected To he never sworo he did, u no did, u Is
collateral aud cana be contraicted Objection oyerrucd
A think sc did, am not quito positive, think ro-
member We 80; ] cant rem 'mber The amount. II was
$500; don't know tina, Il not; don't kbow whether
IL wa $50 Or rot; gave check Tor 10 Deyoc on the
Bank Of the STATE Of New YORK, % his own order think
vii haze That check when account Is returned; have
paid other monies other perions asd with this
matter fcr services readeIsd IN III. matter
not, b,ho1e net; am no, vositiyc
Y lnean John Mckeon, uoS herd
Lr. Mc.c interrupted, BY sking the vtno 10 look
al his book aLi zee " be did.
Mr.. Busted rejoins-Yop, Mr.. District Attorney must
not interfere With my wtucss on the stand.
Dir Mckee, rejCns-l will not submt 10 such insinua-
made by any backyard ] mean 10 insult you, Mr.
Busted 70 our face Mr.. NcKcoa Apologies Tie bos
missioner bet says that lac la apology 10 make Mr.
Busted
witness-I understand. Mr. John scRoon prc-e cut
q Have you paid any Olher money In addition ~ the
monies paid John Mckeon, officer Deyoe this og
Obcied TO, ailx TACT e pay nett 10 Nr Kckcon,
witch Is not proven. ObjccuCn Oyelrulei.
A. have said nothing about ANY ply neat 70 Mr. No
Keen; have paid cher moneys
q win ysu thai yoa have ma aid any 20 Joha
hcKeons A. So far ! recoicci We have paid any
money 10 Mr.. Ackeo1. doAt remember whether dld
10 not, but don't think DID we have paid nrucy IN
Gil these instances by check ugon the sane bank the
check book sl show what moneys ani " -hom gall.
q Will you produce your ch ck bcs IN oolrv
Mr.. McKeou aud rl0l ohjeci Sl-talnci. Ercrrsiou.
q How much money, Ia all, have yos paid ior scrvoos
10 ibis buFiECssf
Oht ctcd 10. Sustained
Mr.. Bu.teci offered 10 shos that large suns q money
have been paid 10 witnesses and Tie gsyefnmeni counsel
In this for their services IN rs claimed etraill0n