The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-02-20

BY Mr.. D1Vh-rhon undoT1tAnd 70 ehAe you
cannot give any mot In any ono comoi
ration In s.y moro definite shape than 10 given In
wisness-i certainly cannot, upon my own knowledge
By Mr. DIVISION you upon the Information OF other
peronss
Wituess-l could pot do that as have already said
without bresch Of ooandenoe; even then Il would
mot be legal evi, enoe-x wonld be mere heArssy.
By Mr. DAvh-Ooulo you any fact which mas been
communicated 10 you TO . particular combination
.sivs TO a. bl Or corruption touching any member o.
70 you 30 thas you could relate na
Wnness- could Lh state any fact that bss been 10
70 In form that would make II possible for 70
UAte II
eve know that corrupt organization OF nembers OF
Cor gress and certain lobby agents at Washington has
existed since early in the session Of last year" what do
you mean BY the expression I" we knowS"
wnDess-I mean that an sassaea in my own mind
convinced OF the fact by satisfactory information oommu
By Hr Orr-wbiob svidenoe you cannot furnish to the
commit,eof
Witness-Perhsps had better proceed little further
with my statement; bu. which information u not o
muDioate the from which II hAs been derived
By Mr. waren-without breach OF confidence, or
witDess-I could not do IT fully and aoourstay, under
any circumstances, because could not recole0t oil the
connection wish IT, and which led 70 the oonou.
siOp 70 which have come
BY Mr. Rtchie-Could you give the name Of any per
who made statements OF facts you, asserting
them 70 be within bis own knowledge, which facts, II
stated By informant witnesS would DC evidence
going prove against any the truth Of charges Of
corrupt oombinssous 70 pass or 10 obsruot the pas
sage Of any bill through the House Of Repreaentves du
ring the present CongrsssS
AFRAID A CONFIDENCE.
witness-I do not know that could; oertaiuly could
By Mr. Davs-wni you give direct ans ~er-yss or
witness-I do know that can answer more speuH
By Mr. Rschie-You say you could not give ths name
o such person without brea IN OF confidence could you
giy iy0 a gu0 n mi
deuces
wnnos,-rbs, requires to answer upon the opinion
whether his evidence would In my Judgment, 60 to con-
Bv Mr. Richie-Or course IT does; ask you the ques-
tionS
Witnes,-I don't think could.
RAYMOND KNOW p NOTHING,
NoTE-By the )ommittee-rne OF this witness
to the questions rendered unnecessary the
opinion the committee, 20 enforce answers 70 proceed
the ground that In doing % he would violate oooh
a'nce which the persons, from whom he proessed TO
show that he cou not even II he violated the alleged
oOsndsDos state y'h,ns himself or sve the name o.
| that would be material 70 the investigation.
THURSDAY, Jan. 15, 1857.
JAMES W. SIMONTON, CORRESPONDENT OF
THE DAILY TINES ON THE STAND.
ponoen. Of The New York nma over the sisnasure
By Mr.; orr-Do you know Of any organization OF mem
hers OF Congress with other with themselves
now existing, er that has ersted since the commence
OF the last session to the passage defeat
OF any bills for money any other oonsderstions
TEX RxAsoS IHE TIaSs xDroRiAs ARE 10 wxAK AND MILK
|
Witness don't know Of own knowledge, by legal
evds noe any such orgauizauon have been satisfied
from evidence conclusive 10 my judgment tnAs did
exist; have proessed TO know any suoh fac Of
my own aowedge; the oontrsIy, tho letters snd
editorial ar icies In the Times, upon which, suppose,
pose sb,,ained from saying that We snew snyshIg Of
our own knowledge has been the settled purpcse from
the beginning not TO make ourselves Responsible - puo
/ 10
| facts.
mind the conviction that such combination exsv
oosfpNnl sMNs WITH wifNES-AA ohsn, X n o
or kaw YORK, ACcrsDr-FEAEs BEING susPscTsD-0nsI-
Wnnsss-I have been savsdsd In the first place thu,
tbcre Congress who desired to sell
votes. and knowing OF own kno Wedge thal sucn
the fact have given heeo In my own mind 10 great
many rumcrs. have kno wn parties outside profess
70 have control over the votes Of members and ha
these pa ties In frequent communicate apparently
House ~ the time the vote being taken upon
peneiDs before The House. have Of
IN communication with especially me nbcr Of Con-
srees evidently rejoicing ct the apparent defeat Of
when WAS supposed that the same measure would oomc
op nr cne hA: .ppesred upon the noor o. the House
bers whspssed oopadsnsiy In their ear, Ana ssn, them
back their seats and they have voted the Of
their previous vote am satsned thst the only
why co rot know those facts OF my wedgo 10
because given parties ready avail themselves OF
such means, 10 understand that could be party
one. have come 70 me and asked private
| Interview, stating that thoy had something OF i'm.
whether ,hey could talk 70 mo with perioc, reliance on
my good faiih and whether would sgreo, cir
such quesss are pu. 70 me snos, every dsy DO not
know whether the party desires " communicates public
documents or news Of Interest, and aways, unless
have especial reason for supposipg that the psr
cuAr individual has improper proposal to make sooep.
her conidenoe and give ny u,haed promise no, 20
viow with them, members Of Congress have requested
me TO procure for them interests 10 particular measures
named by them pending before tho House, stating toe
amounts wbich they deslrc receive for such AID
hey should be able 70 give. have every quietly
TO be mixed up thiag the sort: that
public rumor attached suspicion enough gentlemen
iDs further suspicion upncoss.sr,Iy noon them
, By hr Orr-Will you give us the names OF any OF |
holding private pversaion who their return voted
oGsreptly from their nrst vote tse messurep
NrncAIns sr~xs lpwAnps, wrto Asp sItHssr.
Wtness-lt answer that 81 eli tho committee
must relieve me from all ros osponsbiy OF doing Injustice
70 oher parties cannot designate the umc, the
NO; TO body for fear should co injustice. II
The committee mast upcu II, no revcr will no, shrink
who could 90 any sc 90 base ths, the COMMITTEES seek
derive know Of would be ap, TO deny the fac,
charged upon them, and tho committee lhs, |
have knowledge of ny 10 corroborsts the
neb,s Which make Tne Persons % .ho% s would name
York, and Mr. wsch Of Connecticut.
COMMITTEE DOuBT pvDyrCa
Note By tho Com mmi,tee-rbc witness at subsequent
time furnbhsd the committee his information as 70 what
particular bills he referred to- Tho committee have
mined the journals Of the House upon sl the leading bills
involving donation Of lands, or the appropriation of
Money for specific purposes, AMI nud that In single
pstssce has change been made si any OF the stages
these hs IN the OF ctber OF the geniamen referred
above and the nitee therefore do no. attach any
hapcrtspce 10 these statements, furnishing any
oumrtAncts even OF susplcion.
smoproy "APrpoACHHD
By Mr. orr-st.,e Who the members are Who have sp-
he'd and desired 70 know they could
procure money or other oossiderasoss for their
votesf
wnnru-1 cannot without . violation of confidence,
then which would isther suner ssything
BY Mr. Davis-Can yoa stse the names Of sny other
persons called out BY Mr.. Chase do you know Inc
subject OF their conferencef
wnnessI could state with certaaiy the names Of
any Others not know the subject OF their conference
By Mr.. Dsvis-Dh Mr. Chsse either Of these gen.