Worcester daily spy. [volume] (Worcester [Mass.]) 1850-1888, 1857-12-10

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sent that MIR. Douglas should hold the Presi-
dent responsible for principles laid down
| twenty years ago, under entirely different cir
cumstances 1t is not long since Nh. Doug
las declared the Missouri hne as the best com
promise In lS4S he proposed to extend it to
the Pacific Ocean, yet he repealed the whole
Of it.
Mr.. Douglas denied the right Of Mr.. Bigler
to offer the statute of limitations None but
the authorized attorney of the party can thus
| interpOse. As the senator has denied any au-
thority to speak for the President, he cannot
| file the plea. Mr. Douglas approved the stat
| ute of Limitations. He needed one very much
himself. He had never boosted that he had
never changed his opinions. He felt every
| year little wiser thai the year before.
Had the President even withdrawn that
| opinions He denied the Cincinnati Conven-
ton, until the Charleston Convention met.
| He stood now where he stood last year, be-
cause he believed he was right. 1t was true
he voted for Mr.. Toombs's bill, and he was
ready to vote for it again, if by doing so there
would be no quarrel. 1t would not do to
taunt him with once voting for measure he
would not vote for now.
Mr.. Bgler said he had not tainted the sem
ator, who complained that wrong had been
OUll6 ny llOl submitting the GDLlT6
to the people, while be had voted to put a
State constitution into operation without sub
hitting any part of it to the people
Mr.. Douglas replied that his explanation
was the language of the President in his in
structons to Gov. Walker, taking it for
granted that the constitution would be sub
mitted to the people Mr.. Ioombss bill be-
ing silent on that subject, he took it for grant
ed that the constitution would be submitted
If the President was right in taking that
ground, why was not Douglas right
Mr.. Bigler did not intend to hold the Sem
ator from Illinois to anything which did not
appear in the journal. At private meeting,
before Mr.. Toombs's bill was introduced, it
was held, in view of all the difficulties sur.
rounding the question, that it would be best
that no provisions submitting the Constitu-
ton to the people, should be inserted in the
bill, and it was his understanding that the
convention then proposed would make
constitution, and send it to Congress without
submitting it to the people.
Mr.. Douglas, in reply, said he did not like
the Senator to insinuate what he would not
openly declare. If be (Dougias) was present
at the meeting referred to, and sanctioned
such doctrines, let him (BigIer) say so.
Mr.. Bigler said if he was constantly at
Adhlbs ~ was DulLlLul luu66us I0rndDS ne Qau
wrongly spoken on the subject He had told
the Senator he did not intend to reflect upon
him.
Mr.. Douglas remarked that he would re-
lease MIR. Bigler from secresy, and asked him
whether he (Bigler) knew that he CDouglas)
had either publicly or privately agreed that
the Constitution should be adopted without
consulting the people.
MIR. Bigler stated what his distinct recol-
lection was. He remembered very we'll that
the subject was discussed in the house of the
Senator from Illinois, but he was not sure
that Mr.. Douglas participated in that debate
in which it was argued that under ell the
circumstances there ought not to be a proyiso
in Mr.. Toombs's bill, requiring the Constitu-
ton to be submitted
Mr., Douglas remarked that when the bill
was silent on the subject, it was understood,
as a matter of course, that the Constitution
was to be submitted to them, was not true
Mr.. Bigler explained, that he called Mr..
Douglass attention TO his course on Mr..
Toombs's bill.' because it was in derogation
| of his doctrine laid down today When the
| Senator from Illinois introduced his prepara-
tory bill for Minnesota, he provided that the
Constitution should be submitted. If them
ference was that the Constitution would be
submitted where such a bill is silent, why
was the clause inserted in the Minnesota bill
lie did not impugn the sincerity, patriotism,
honorable motives, or courage of the Senator.
lie had no more constant admirer than him.
| self, or one who oftener defended him,
Mr.. Hale wished to know what some of tn
very peculiar circumstances were, which rem
| dered the elective franchise extremely diff
cult Qsughter.)
Mr.. Bigler said no one had SAID more on
this subject than Mr.. Hale, and of violation
and keeping free State people from the polls,
He (Bigler) was interested to get Kanzas into
the Union.
Mr.. Douglas, to prevent wrong mpressions,
asked Mr. Bigler whether he meant to be un-
derstood as saying he, in his own house or
elsewhere, had expressed himself in favor Of
the constitution, without being submitted to
the people.
MIR. Bigler-I made no such allegation.
Mr.. Douglas-You left it to be inferred that
so declared in nay own house. If did not,
acquit me of it.
Mr.. Bigler i repeat have in no wise re-
collection of the senator participating in the
discussion.
Mr.. Douglas-If | had nothing to do with
It, don't know what my home had to do with
/ it. (Laughter.l
truth, and that only, What said is on re.
cord.
On motion of Mr.. Green of Missouri. the
further consideration of the message was post
poned, and the Senate adjourned.
HoUsB.-Two propositions were pending
yesterday, one submitted by Mr.. Houston Of
Alabama, that the House proceed to the cleo
ton OF Printer, with a proviso that the
House retains its right in Congress to modify
the existing law on the subject of the public
printlng-the printer who may be elected IN
der this resolution, receiving said election with
and upon the condition above set forth, and
that committee be appointed to examine the
whole subject, and report such change or i'm
proyement as they may deem advisable: and
the other by Mr.. Smith of Virginia, as sub.
stitute, providing for similar examination.
and that the election be postponed until the
committee make report.
MIR. Banks Of Mass, moved to Law Mr..
Houston's motion on the table, The motion
was negatived--S2 against 1906
Mr.. Smiths substitute was rejected bv a
vote of 81 against ll8. Mr.. Eouston's reso-
luton was then adopted by majority Of 40.
The House then proceeded to the election
OF printer. Mr.. Babcock nominated Mr.
George M. Weston. Mr.. Stedman received
III votes, Mr.. Weston SO, and scattering,
The former was then declared elected.
The members then selected their seats b,
lottery, when the House adjourned.
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