Arkansas true Democrat., 1857-11-17
From the Desert News, Sept.
From the Desert News, Sept. 3. How They Talk in Utah. Declaration of Independence-D Discourse by Prest. Heber c. Kimball, Bowery Sunday Morning, Aug 30. 1857.

! near what IS called the rough etchel to this genera tion. l am pretty well satisfied brethren that there are four or five persons in this congrega- tion that dislike to hear me talk; and when YOU take out those four or five, I know that this people would rather hear me speak than any other man that speaks from this stand except Br. Brigham. It is not that those four or five have anthipg against me. but it is because I do at many times give vent to my feelings, and by so doing hit them crack where they deserve 1t. Well, this is all right
 l wonder if there is man or woman here that really wants to be Saint, q mean those that want to live their religion but what desire Tn thelr hearts and seek in their prayers to the Father, that they may be corrected when they are wrong-that they may be admonished? Is there person in this congregation but what has that desire and that feeling? If there is I am greatly mistaken, for hear them when go into meetings, and when 1 go into family circles; they will sav if have a wrong thing about me want to be corrected. Have you not heard It so this morning? Every man that | speaks before this community has those feelings. Have not those feelings? Brethren, if have a fault, or have anything about me which is not right, want to get rid of that, and so do you. if you are Saints.
 well, there IS not a mother in this conoreoa- tlon but feels Tn that way, else, when they see one of their children in fault, why do they cor rect those children? Why do you correct them when you are not willing to be corrected vour selves? Neither father nor mother from this ilme forth, should correct child except they are willing to be corrected in their faults.
 Do you see it? You will see mothers who will correct their children when they get angry. and that IS almost the only time they will cor rect child. Am 1 angry to-day? Just look at me and see if you think am angry. I tell you am just as good natured as can be ac- cordlng to the nature of the case that am now dwelling upon. We'll, this is for you to rehsct upon.
 Is this good people? You may take the Elders of lsreal throughout these valleys and those at the stations between here and the Uni ted States and those that we have sent to the nations of the earth, and then thousands who never were here, and there never was more amenable set of men upon the earth, with the experience that we have got, and there never was that day that this people were one as they are one to-day; no never.
 Well, feel to praise the Elders of Isreal for ther lalthtulness. Is there chance for i'm pavement brethren, ye Elders of Israel? If you thnk there is chance for improvement, notwithstanding all of my praisng you, just raise your right hands. A forest of hands was ralsed Those that think there cannot be any improvement, but that you are stereotvped, raise your hands. 1 cannot see any hands rais- ed upon that side.
 " hen l went to chop was always taught to pull ott my coat and spit on my bands. pull "ii my coat because 1 am too warm. If don't talk here more than twenty minutes, l want my coat off
 May tell you some of my feelings and not nave any of you angry with me? (Voice- 'Yes.O
 hate to have the ladies angry with me above all tnings, and will tell you one thing, and that Is, all you that are ladies will not find any fault; but the woman that finds any fault wirb. can analyze her and show you she is not q lady.
 am physician. WeI you can hardly mention thing that is good but what 1 am.
 waht to tell some of my feelings here to day, m few words. relative to brother Brig nam. call him brother, because he says if I cal hnn President, he shall call me President. ana Just as sure as he does am as flat as a pan- cake shall only call him President before the oalntS, Tn his calling; I was going to say be. lore our enemies but damn them, they shall never come here
 Excuse me, l never use rOugh words, only Wheh come Ill contact with rough things. and use smooth words when 1 talk upon smooth ! suoJects, and so on according to the nature of the Case that comes before me. lon all acknowledge Brother Brigham as the Fresldeht "f the Church of esu, Christ of Lat ter Day Saints. then you acknowledge him a; our Leader, Prophet, Seer and Revelator and then you acknowledge him in every capacity That pertains to his calling. both in Church and State, do you not? Voice: .Yes.'l
 Well, he is our Governor What is Co., vernon! One who presdes. or governs. Well. now, We have declared in a legislative capacity that We will not have poor, rotten hearted curses come to rule over Us, such as some they have been accustomed to send We drafted memo raj and the Council and the House of Represen- latiVes signed 1t, and we sent to them the names oi men of our own choice, as many as from five to eight men for each office, men from our own midst, out of whom to appoint officers for this Territory.
 We sent that number for the President of the United States to make selection from and asked him to give us men of our own choice in accordance with the rights consttutionally guar anteed to all American citizens.
 We just told them right up and down that if they sent any more such miserable curses as some they had sent were we would send them nome, and that IS one reason why an army or rather mob, is on the way here as reported.- Ton did not know the reason before did you?
 We'll, we did that in legislative capacity: we did 1t as members of the Legislature, as your representatives, and now you have got to back us mp. You sent us just as we sent Br. Bern- hisel to seek for our rights and to stand in our defense at Washington.
 We'll, here is Br. Brigham, he is the man of our own choice, he is our Governor in the ca racIty of Territory, and also as Saint of the Most High.
 We'll, il is reported that they have another Governor on the way now, three Judges. Dis trict Attorney, Marshal, Postmaster and Secretary and they are coming here with twen. ty-five hundred men.
 The United States design to force these off, cers upon us by the point of the bayonet. Is not that funny things You may think that l am cross, but am laughing at their calamity. and will knock when their fear cometh."
 Now, gentlemen, and ladies, you look at these things, and then right in this book the Rible. it says, our nobes shall be ourselves. that is our Lords, our Governors, our ,TuIoes our Mar. shals and our everything shall be of ourselves. Won't you read the Both chapter of Jeremiah? ? IS Thus saith the Lord: Behold I will primo again the captivity of Jacobs tents, and have mercy on his dwelling places; and the city shall be huided upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
 19. And out of them shall proceed thanks giving and the voice of them that make merry and l will multiply them. and they shall not be few; will also glorify them and they shall not be small
 20. Their children also shall be as aforetime and their congregation shall be established be fore me, and will punish all that shall oppress them
 21. And their nobles shall be of themselves and their Governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me; for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the Lord.
 22. And ye shall be my people, and will be your God.
 23. Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth fnrth with furv oopt;pu;pr |,