The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-02-20

mpvsrsop thai meant something
By Mr. orr proposed 70 ask tho name Of the mem
oRsAxrsB MArrzoS, o, nss oFxr-
I'D
ne witness 81 nrst declined the question
sus sueseqo MY we question being pressed, gave the
By Mr. Wsrrer-Do you reooflect what particular rail
rsad measure that MAS In reference TOP
wansss-i should think 10 Was about the time OF the
pasrsge OF the WvcopsiI BILL do not kpo whether Mr.
h,eson mad any interest that bill he did not name
any particular bin or iocssh
MONDAY, Jan. 10, 1877.
Mr.. TRIPLErT, RECALLED.
xAKp aPIAHArosY srArsnsSr-sx GuBKRr LET rr
nrrLs ovss tbs
FF.C rnpleti having been recalled was permitted
70 TAke The folos sing explanatory statement -
WITH yeie epce 70 tue question propoapdsd be by Mr.
Orr. Whether any conversation place bet woen me
cd or demanded, or required peounary com oenss
ton Ter voting W desire 10 that my ansWer n more
sFooty worosd han subsequent reflection has
NE Htbonid be ! meant IN oondnc myself ana do con.
hne myself " denial Of any specic contraO, with any
ohe eIse wouo also state specifically thar have
corve''A',on between Mr. Gilbert and myself up my
book 10 PROBABLE when ne was first intro
10 .nonsr matter -.. the subject referred 70
eae,ro' and In which, 10 far - know nothing sub
sesusb'ly done.
B, the Chairman 10 you know tina, any other MON
hev q Congress expected 10 snare In this money for
winch you gave The fder on the clotkY
ANOTHER n o. TO b BEsEFrrr1D.
WINES To that can that there another
Dnoer OF Congress, who, an sstshed expected 70 be
seDs nt'cd but he had NO Contract win mo
~ the Chaifman-Ssate how you became satisfied Of
shss fact
wiuess-I was satisG'd from what he tcld me himself
thss expected receive something from the passage
that bill. wba, do no. know never Agreed 70
pay BIN anyl hing
By the Ct airmsn-sta,e what was that CON vervayo,
Snpess-1 could not possibly state the terms Of the
By Mr. wAYner-state to the best Of your recol
hecssep
wnness-I must be satisfied that the DOM mittee has
the sntho NY to AXE me give the name Of tho man
~ Mr. We frat want to know what the con
vespston
w,tpes Il had rtquept conversations with him. and
be bas BEEN present vhere conversations occurred be-
tween Mr.. Gilbsrt and myself. BE has SPOKEN 70 me
sbout the maer freely and ndensiauy aud think
has TOD me that he expected In the event Of tae passage
fine OIL to receive mpensa G In wat precise
hasusee could not undertake 10 say.
BY Mr.. Rchk-Are you certain ths be WAS aware OF
the srrsp cement with Mr. G,lbert9
WnDess-H He was aware hat there was an arrange
nrsi With sr Gilbert though do not koow whether he
knew the spec0c ms; do not think he did know the
haymS.
By NJ. wsrIer-Hox did that Conversation origipase2
the hsi conversation originated; here were many
VIBRATIONS between us
By VIZ. Warner Conversations In relation to this trans.
TIE ARRANGEMENTS ABOUT THE BOUNTY LAND law BooK-op
couksB rHsN K1PncrRD To RI PAID.
Wftpess-Yes, sir IN relation /, the book.
By Mr. wayner-siae what he said Is nearly a. you
en- reoohect. and what you said 10 him about IT,
wtnes,-l c'pn'' .ta'e any moro than that 81 the oon
vssaops lei no DOUBT upon my mind that he expected
- Do compensated for The sbors which he Intended 10
perform In the case
By NJ. Wsrner-Dd be stAte 70 You what service he
oooia rex deri
whne He expected 10 hi, influence in securing
By Mr.. wsrncr-Did he say how many votes he could
osnaolf
wMptss-Resuy, l Cannot possibly say. / never 70.
Old not obasge mysef Ii these facts should 9th.
~~se have done. WIS scsuated more by dcsire TO
prevent this other man from making the Same arrange
By Mr. Warner Do be say his influence could operate
npcn Il In COMMITTEES or In the House:
have any influence in any committee, that know Of
By Mr. wa'rer-staie, a. near ~ can whA, ne did
Eser, and what you said 70 hlmY You Of course con
vsssed frsel, :
oAS'r RscoIrcr "TuouIvI cosvKssInsSs"
wnness-li impossible to recoIect such fugitive coz
VIBRATIONS; bui saere was no doubt uson m, mind
si the parry expected TO have an interest in the ma.
~ nnd II to d. utterly impossible 70 rocolleot all
Aese details did suppose that had this whole
ny mind but and ny self unable to rscolect many
a1gs ha did not suppose had iorgossen.
BY Mr.. wArper-From the Conversation you had with
hD, your Impression thst and him un dersooo
onoh other perfectly In relation TO this matter
wtnsss-i thought Understood what his moive vas.
though my expectation aad supposition that the
demanding Was between him and Mr.. Gilbert and tina,
be received any compensation he was to receive rom
B, Mr.. warrsY-How many conversations do you think
yeo had with hin'
witness Il impossible for me 70 s'sie Iirsouenny
nqubed, and Was frequeutly inquired Of ~ 70 taS pro-
pecs Of the passage OF the book
By Mr., w:, ss,. i you have - many /" do''n
KNesa-I hunk dis, not Of course, menuoning any.
shint about compensation In all Of them.
BY Mr. wArner-wh, sought these conversauons-you
wnpess-sometmes one and romeiimes the other.
BY Mr. wsrner-od be state to gu IN sny OF these
ooav creations the smospt he expected 70 receiver
wnDep-l do not think he ever stsied 70 me tas
sssount be expected 70 receive.
BY Mr.. warner-What aid he say " you about his ex-
DartAiion Of being benefited by ~
wine s-hy impresuou IL, aud give simply ., IN
prc s,on tina the conversation that occurred be-
tween upon the subecs Was In The room or ., least 10
Ne presence OF Mr. Gilbert Whether hss been tod
rshand, or whether then heard that he was T. be
Ne recipient Of portion OF the money cannot say but
.ton that occurred between ne should
have drawn deduction that he had some o,eres, 10
been agreed on with Mr. Gilbert, but these matters
IN which cannot undertake 70 be accurate
BY Mr. wZper-You OF course, Tod him tbs amoani
wtpess-I DO not know the, did tell him the exact
aEourt think very likely that told him that vss
up 20 certain amount without informing him accu
rssefy sbout H. bccsnse suppesed that n BIO 10 get
aay Compensation he vas 10 get from Mr. GILBERT ana
sAs they you d make their 0rangemcn,s sosethe,
D. Mr. wasner-Yoa we're gong 10 state whit he
Sid 70 ytu Of The amour, he expected 70 reosive
BY Mr. Orr-Dso he expcos 10 receive anytainy2
wnpess- have no doubt be dd-
BY Mr. O'r-Whyf
wnrcss-From the conversa,ion tnst TOOK piaco be
tween N Il may be possible that he Told me what he
sapectsd 10 uosive he'd 10 doubt II the time thst he
a. expeci 70 receive tomebing. think be asked me
What could 40 In certain quarters. I told him t6s
ccud co anything In that way that bed sDms
f1epcs rbo you'd support my book and vto zero, OF
ocursc oesirous N support my Interest thnk that he
Gel utnsr parties had counted no the asistsncs
tsey -ere able render and wanted 70 knos vnsi
sissance could expect from my friends
Bysr Orr-Wten you talked 10 hin ~ II vas hxed
m your mind that be 70 receive compensation, ds
he sem 70 ,sh ~ " ZOO understood the fsov
wness--i have stated 80 de- nnhey - ! am able 20
sase ~ha occurred In thee conversations There
hes,sAncy .oou, the nser think vas unders,ood By
both parties that II exoecsed he would reosve some
ooupen.aioo DO poit hinr heard Mr. goert say
vts amount he inierde1 10 awe him suppose u IL "a
setooo hat OF hese Iuent there
re-, rnce 70 any pecuuisry transaction nj ALI but
siDpy The thing being understood bstweeu u.s. they
would Nk n bac oertsiu PARTIES vto expect
ID n suppot m, and hov much support coald rely
susside Of there appliances. do think rN kne~
personally n member Of Congress ooald approach
IN Thai vsJ mad desired and Icertsiuy should not
desired 10 make any such approaches to member
BY M waner-nd you hold thete oonvtrsston VITA
more than one member OF Congress besides Mr. Gtlbory
wuptr--Ne str.