The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1857-09-02

q distinctive land mark In order tb. the coursy may
ace that they mot esche srge feature q their
distinctive Identity seeking 70 affiliate win sne ,a
sch c church BE had peculiar admiration lar VIC name,
and he trusted II would be retained
h lxACH AID he very mu III I'd nired the zea O. VI.
Ross for the m.lnteparce OF the nonored ma ne New
shoo" because wAs an appellAton given 70 those who
were deemed hereics sixty years ago But We are not OF
that beoy or age aDg for ourselves and for the
church In our sge That church has hitler been and
s tered In connection With the Preeby terrain
church OF the Uei.ed sass Of Amsrica aos Sinssndirg
Wa 90 desspsed with feelings and motives TO ina am
upon Nos let u, the appel alton that has been given
10 nne the organization OF the General Assembly, and
let Or Rces, Of Tonnes ee, cousder himself al home
Rev. M MARSHALL, Of rennewee theaghi the Con rem
aon vas Ssayg 100 much time on . matter OF such little
log " The General Arse nbly (nes school 90 oasd)n-
aasdog 10 the general appellsuon given not
claim that designation ~ part OF their regular rhe
people have given 10 them They may Assn ne II
~ mark OF identity in regd their peculiar orthodoxy
bal u no part OF their name. He hoped this matter
would be dscioed without any farth.r discussion.
Rev hoDsAAmAs objected to such designation He
n spirit Of odiun by those who differed fom them, and
for that reasop be ~as In favor OF striking II out.
Mr. Gra,au wooia prevail What objection ooald thsr be
20 The designation which he proposedS II was the one
.ss ,ns p sS sSs ne
church Of the United States was the desgaA
tion applied and there was no difficulty In knowing vhs
meant In regard 70 the old association OF the
In Tennessee referred by Dr. Ross may be said hRt
TO, the association in other parts of the
try. he persuaded they recognized that term here
there would be . Improper use made Of II against
them. II viii bf ccnsid ,red - very important conces.
MON by enemies.
Mr. FlErcss, OF Va, In favor Of adopting the de-
sigpaon General assembly OF the PresbyterAs Church
or the Upited States Of Amerioa."
Kew II II. sHrtIjNGfoRD, Of Philadelphia, said he
presert hoaiG members Of the church OF the
Lord jesus put In hat position by the action Of the Geaera
thai would represent y se Gsner. Assembly Of ,ne
Presbyterian Casvoh OF the United States OF America
The section ofe Church to which he belonged is cast off
rom the General Assembly, ss vas recognized Il Ceve
land an he prepared uasce In desg alton
which the will Of the Convention TO adopt lie
there 60 represent Of nepoe OF talent and
Of wealth he would ask the invention In very act,
In every confederation upon every resolution Of port
when he resumed 10 the oiy Of be nigh, be
able present arguments support Of ther action which
could not be cenvoverted Lei there be no action here
which would afford other members opportunity to
dodge the question Let there be no difficulty a. 10
designation or any thing else here II the desire Is
thai we shall be recognized by the ap Ie.laton
General Assembly OF tbeiUnted States OF Amenoa" he
would AJAX the Convention todetermine without further
onouAs sn DO nothing mat our enemies mlgo, take l.
In beng called but If II Was deemed expeden 10 cnange
thai deiisnaop he would cheerully acaaiesce When
We are setting 10 ofcia capacity cothe With
much power can, thai advantage may be taken
Of Give Presby tories the pc yer TO
cay, when your action here cones up for al CUSTOM
"these Recommendations we cannot recognize"
Rev Mr. DoKnsoS, OF Ky, offered IS 40 amendm ant TO
the amendment Of Mr. Fletcher the fohowng:-
10
from said body
Mr. TUCKER said he did net desire to lnrude upon the
time of The Con 7ertcn he wished this discussion could
come to an end The object which he believed all had In
vie. was to designate the Presby to VIII
School General Assembly OF the Uned States OF America
There 10 no body In the United States ca ming that name
10 receive the ldatons? Your Presby.
teres will say, Why, nese recommendations ad
dressed To US" The gent, man from 4 ntucky (Mr.
Dokpscp) Proposed, ~ 40 anne ndment that the Presoy.
IN Dana raj
Assembly, and terminate their ecclesiastical relation,
with them Whist was intended BY that Modification 2
Nothing would SEEM and he uld therefore pro
prety In urei'gu BE thought the whole diic ly would
be met b. the language OF the resolution stood, With
or echIcALns ne was opposed 70 hsm, particularly
the prevent Convention he would favorable to te al
cAiiec other times and under oshsr ccu ancos Dat
a. this tine be was opposed 70 them.
Mr.. DICKINSON vithdres his amendment and Mr.. Graf
ian bAvins acspsed the amen imeui offered By NJ.
fescn The question on me Original amendment was put
The second resolution ne came up for confederation.
Rv. M. Nc LsAs, OF Alabama, moved to amend II by
adding TO The word specifically" the words "and I'm
pBedy."
Or BOYD said that he remembered whom he me, the
committee In The city Philadelphia appointed by the
General Arsembiy, some time aso, question arose ~ 70
the cons ituuonh pos OF the General Assembly. he
(Dr took the position that nothing 10 be regarded
q crime tha, not already referred 70 In the Con.
a.pss oodea the o. words aimpnsdi,. or p0r sg ce.r
Implication which nten ded 70 confer upon the Gene
raj Assembly greater latitude OF cover In deciding the
extent OF cninay upon charge than they had pre-
viousy poss sed Dr. Adams took the position ID ., inc
crime Of opp'sssion as referred 70 slavery, would be
cosniEabe oy that body under the constitution He (Dr
believing The principle TO be Of vital Appearance
thr beet Interests, opposed such construction Of the
conspasor Aro be would po~ say that they departed
from the rules laid DO thai document and opeasd the
door 10 aiirodtnoas construction OF II, would be
lee To- them 10 say that the abohnoasts we're acting
wrong when hey brought slavery under the general
charge OF oppression tn may set Il dswn being i'm.
Piled In the term "oppr ssoa" He thought the wDosi
course word be 70 adopt the resolution ~ Il STOOL.
Rev. DASir RoGAs OF repnesee said there we're many
things bat gtt properly be made subjeca OF discipline
not specifically mentioned In our book OF govern
Fntn and dict line, such selling ardeli spirits, which
proouc,s drunkenness and leads 10 30 many crimes
Stealing s'pecincaay mtnn med, AMI 40 Ia gambling
The many things that church session may
gard matters OF discipline, though not mentioned ~
be dcfr,ooc secncaiy IN the book Of discipline He
va Il erefre In favor OF the adoption o. some terms
thai might more fully express the objects OF the Conven
zion.
70 hs shoud be matter for cognizsnce By the General
Assembly Of the church BE could not agree with him
that snere vas no .ueh shns s Trying upon clear i'm
phcsiion BE believed taere ~as such . thing ~ the
church tn ipe upon clear Implication.
Mr. Gus b WILLIAMS, or Richmond, said II seemed 10
n .oIT I'm "a - - Conpso
ard inphoauous We ought 70 shut out thai dangerous
doctrine Of plicacn II consultation does not suit
he believed thai All discussions Of this chAracle, not
eotseni with The purposes which brought me Convention
together
Dr CoSvusS or Philadelphia said he did no, intend a.
corres onorg member, 70 upon question before
iht Conveniicr Hc saw s difficulties They were pre-
eeEtt ten years agoin discu0 originated by sgtAou
be tuhec, that had reui the church ssuoder Every
tbisg 10 doctrine IL tercsy which Ia In doc sntagousn
win ibe oorinei Ct the Bola Al in,erpra that book
IN our Confession OF fath every acen and habit crime
which IL 10 direct antAgcufm with the character
and spirit and purpose nsepsrsbls from these do,
uines He felt The danger OF inserting the words
suggested by his freud from Mobile, Mr.. McIexn
In 1890, amer forinighrs discussion upon this
and ooalers questions the General Assembly ad down
abe doctrine which your mittee have reported 10
second rcsouuon ard anhoush does Of seem 70
present and ~hole subject, yes presents landmark
from which experience has Taught us thal peril
20 depart Even cannot discipline man Tor telling
ardent spln that creates drunkenness may be rgh 70
sell 70 some for pr ,per puYp ses-even We cannot
touch a man, find man guilty OF inompsranoe
Who drii themf think had better not put 10 thai
word "mpnetiy." II may load us into some dmculIg
not fc~r~eeo In cur Deliberations this morning
Mr.. WcErUos, o. KY said he thought the matter In
volved 10 tn1 re,ouuon vs Of great importance 10
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