Green-Mountain freeman. [volume] (Montpelier, Vt.) 1844-1884, 1857-12-31

regretted that the President proposed, from
motives eff expediency, to except the constitu-
ton without ratification by the people, al
though he admits that it ought to have been
submitted. Let policy and expedency take
care of themselves. He complained that the
Senator from Pennsylvania seemed to put him
in false position. The true test is, the COLI
stitution must be endorsed by the popular
will and if not, it must be rejected. The
only true way of ascertaining whether the
constitution is acceptable Or not, is to pre-
sent it to the people.
Mr.. Bigler explained that he did not say
that Mr.. Douglass maintained the ground that
an enabling act was necessary in the case of
Kansas. The Senator has disposed of his
own argument by saying that he was not al
ways consistent, and that wise man will al
ways change his views whenever he thinks
himself wrong.
Mr.. Douglas wanted to know by what au-
thority Mr.. Bigler said the Lacompton move
ment was an Administration measure The
message dose not say so. Had he any higher
authority than that?
Mr.. Bigler replied. He had made the de-
duction from the message and from what he
knew in addition. He did not assert in terms
that it was an administration held the move
ment legal so far as it has progressed How
could the President make q recommendation
prior to the result of the vote which he says
in his message he is waiting for;
Mr.. Douglas repeated-He should like to
know what other sources of information Mr..
.o'a bod hot hoI 4lo+
advantage of him.
Mr.. Bigler was not at liberty to say this
was an administration measure, and would al
low Mr.. Douglas to define what it was.
Mr. Douglas again wanted to know what
these other sources of information were, which
authorized Senator Bigler to read him out of
the party for not sustaining that measure.
Mr.. Bigler denied that he had said one
word about reading any man outof the party.
Did Mr.. Douglas mean to make no issue with
the administration When he makes an is.
sue, cannot he tell what it is?
Mr.. Douglas-The Senator did not use the
word but he insinuated strongly to that effect
He seemed to be earring out the system which
has been pursued by every pensioned letter
writer for the last few weeks intimating that
he Douglas) had deserted the Democratic
party, and gone over to the Republicans
Mr.. Bigler-I deny any such accusation
said the Senator's position excited momen'
tary qualification on the other side of the
chamber, and regret on this.
Mr.. Douglas replied-He had been denounc
ed by men who were willing to sink the ad
ministration for the purpose Of killing off thu
Northern men-that every press which can b,
controlled, is thus controlled, is undeniable
but nineteen-twenteths of the independent
press-those which do not depend upon thu
government for support-are with him in sus
tanning the creed of the Democratic party ant
the Cincinnati platform. But the few whit
are not allowed to speak for themselves, arr
endeavoring to drive him where they coul,
not drive hinl--the desert the principle aver
red and maintained by the Democratic party
He wanted to know whether every man is t.
be driven out of the party because he does no
coincide with the President on the question
of the Pacific Railroad and the Bankrupt Law
as applied to banks?
Mr.. Bigler responded negatively.
Mr.. Douglas resumed-Then, if every on
of the gentlemen around him were at ibert
thus to dissent from the President on tn
questions of the bankrupt law, Pacific Rail
roads, and Tariff and other measures, was no
he Douglass to be permitted to judge for him
self on the subject of the Lecompton move
ment? He did not understand the extrodin
airy desire to strike blow which would eithe
cripple him, or drive him out of the party, O
make the country believe he had left the party
Would the Senator from Pennsylvania endors
every recommendation in the Presidents Mess
age, and say he is prepared to carry it out ?
Mr.. Bgler replied that it was not at al
probable that he agreed with every sentimen
of the President. He had no desire to la
down a rule by which the Senator should b
read out Of the party.
Mr. Douglas wished to know if the admin
istration did not regard as wanting in part
fealty those who refused to sanction the lie
compton movement?
Mr.. Biger replied, that he could not g
any further into the subject. He had alread
endeavored to express his opinions and view
with all the clearness of which he is capab
IF the Senator thought proper to assume tn;
this was party measure, and that he Doug
las) was out of the party because he differe
from the administration, that was bis (Dougla
own business. He (Bigler) had laid down
such rule.
Mr. Douglas replied that the Senator fro
Pennsylvania had informed the Senate that
had other informations in regard to the pu
poses of the administration in making this
party measure. He believed that the char
that he (Duglasl was going over to the Bla
Republicans were made by men hostile to hi
and actually hostile to the administrato
They were from persons who desired to g
him into hostile position for Interior pr
poses. He did not mean that men, who
claims to the confidence of the Democrat
party were not superior to his own, shou
read him out Of the Democratic party 7
report is being circulated everywhere, tn
the President is prepared to put the knife
the throat of every man who dares to diff
from the Administration, and think for hi
self on this question. He believed that thu
who circulated such reports were enemies
the President. He wished to give his frier
an opportunity of denying the charge.
Mr. Bigler-Who makes the Charge?
MIR Douglas-The newspapers of the COZ
try are full of it. The Senator seemed
make his argument as if [ were outside Of
healthy Democratic organization. | do II
recognize the right of that Senator er any
dy on earth to expel me.
Mr. Bigler-In 20 shape or form have
been laboring to put the Senator outside t
party. 1t is true did show on this quest