The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1857-01-24

her our warke purposes against Great Britain No sir
the idea utterly absurd in itself do not mean that IL
is absurd from anybodys else mouth desire
be courteous but say that the idea when you come 10
look it is absurd it is impossible ltcannot be
done You may make many treaties as you please you
may combine the letters of the alphabet into every poss
BILE FORM and make your treaty just as bndng as you
please To make il practical you must have agent at
the other end of the line in Great Britain sworn TO keep
your warke Do you not see sir that 1t cannot
be done IL you 10 prepare for war; this 10 not
war measure II cannot be made subservient to the pur-
of this government IN and Is not calculated or
intended for thing of that sort The great questonis
Is 1t Of peace and progress, and information
Is II of the character of post Office and inland tel
egraph2 II it be let take II on its merits as peace
measure, and admit will for my humble self friend
and advocate of the bill-tha it has merits as war
measure and cannot by possibility be made subservient
to that end.
Mr.. BUTLER was out of the Senate chamber when
this subject taken up, and do not suppose that
derstand all that has been said in relation it but
understand enough satisfy that shall not vote for
the bill with the amendment without the amendment
In regard to telegraphic lines of communication in our
country have remarked that long they serve
the purpose Of conveying private and desirable intelligence
from part of the Union to the other they do very well
but where there interest peryer the intelligence TO
subserve party ends and selfish ends particularly in
merce, this is invariably resorted to- do not
know thing that personies better than one OF
these Geographic communications Its reports may be true
not 1t is in my opinion the very personifcaton of
rumor in the stricest and when trust wire In
to the handsnot of enemy for Great Britain Is not
enemy but is country that in may become our
enemy-when trust it entirely under the control OF
commercial rival will not let 1t be the medium OF quar-
reng between because they will have all the advanta-
ing people, pro-quarreling people. II just
much could do to keep the two nations at peace
time ago. My honorable friend from Michigan Mr..
CAss and Lord Clarendon kept up good deal OF contest
and with one of these wires on would have had
cidedy the advantage him. Laughter have no
idea Of trusting anything of this kind to any one who can
have interest to either for commercial war
purposes against u.s. shall vote against the bill
Mr.. DOUGLAS. cannot vote for the amendment OF
my friend from Ohio in the first place. because have
faith in these treaties of naturalization The phraseology
of his amendment obnoxious to me in proposing to neu-
tralze Newfoundland the did Central America.
That is kind Decentralization that did like for IL
the British government put their construction
on it and kept all the territory they had before and said
the territory only neutrazed to instead OF their
| giving equal rights there.
can see but one remedy for all the evils anticipated in
time of war If both ends of the wire in the hands Of
the enemy of course they will use it. believe If we had
thousand treaties with Great Britain providing tina.
they should keep it neutral and give equal advantages
they would devise Of knowing fything that we
sent over the wire. have doubt that point, and
have but little doubt the other point that the war
would exist long before should have end of the
wre II Great Britain had the other My mode of neutral
izng the country would be to take every inch Of British
soil this continent and then Great Britain might keep
the other Of the wire and could talk each other
am willing to for this bill peace measure; AZ
a commercial measurement as war measure; and when
comes let rely power and ability to take this
end of the wire, and keep it, In that view Of the
have no trouble in voting for the bill modified the
| motion of The senator from New York.
| Mr.. TOOMBS. There are two views Of this case which
/ think the Senate ought to consider inasmucb as doubt
they will the money for this almost any Other
| projet that An body presents.
la the first place. have not the interest which Eng
land has in this matter and she ought to pay thar
us She bas Sast this continent with which
\ il very important for hEr to communicate il is fol
us communicate with the whole Of country BY
tap tna
as we haze been endeavorng to do for several years.
communication between Atlantic and Pacific coasts
/ than to communicate with the British coast do not se
that the war question which urged has much to do will
\ this measure because whatever agree TO in TIM
of peace geneTclly breaks reaties and breaks
provisions for the naturalization of certain points Yot
may make treaties hundred times when the two nations
are in good nmor but when they get to fighting, nobody
pays any attention to them This has 81 ways been tn
/ case, and 1t ought to be 80
In the second place, government do not see tina
we have any interest at all in this proposed telegraph
surely is not necessary TO the war power think gentle
men unfortunate in giving that feature because tina
seems be power under OF wbichy can do many
things That be done otherwise Iii Is not necessa
i ry as a war aaeasrs The government has no power by
which she facilitate the oraipsy business OF this coun
try according my principle II it ID tseil scheme TO-
the commercial intercourse very great betweet
this country and England, and pay for It. have
hostility TO IT. well content with it in that view, and
will give it all the ~ otoction that is proper and just
But what do we want with II gcyssnment England
says that ii she wants to send MESSAGES which amount
she will pay for Them and If she has not 00C
worth Of messages to send she is not to pay anything
That 10 her CONTRACT understand Where there any
probability of our using it. except in the case OF sending
message to ministers? and do net suppose shall
send very often for the given by the senator from
New Eampshire Mr.. HALE that If it is worth Englands
knowing, she will know it. If the message send
be valuable she with know it, 1t is but very rarely that
England Our people have, and the people who want in
formation by this will be able to pay for it, 1t may
sometimes be useful to in my business and IT SO,
ought to pay it, If the merchants of Boston, New York
Charleston and New 0resnS want to communicate with
Liverpool they pay for it. They ply pow for teie-
graphing from Halifax to New Orleans. Why should The
pay for it for them2 Why should the gov
eminent pay for the transmission of this intelligence for
the benefit of merchants and traders and manufacturers
and the people who itq There good reason why
England should pay for it. Ii we owned Ireland as she
her possessions in North America and wanted to
comaupcate rapidly with it, this might be necessa-
ry as part Of defence in order to give orders for fleets
She not only 0aadg and Nova Scotia, but she has
large possessions in the West Indies and everywhere else
where she put her huge paw This line will not only
be useful her government in but to her people, ia
order to have this communication with her colonies We
have not the same use for it certainly and in my Judgment
we have at all as government Let the persons in
commerce who use pay for it, Why DO you wish to take
money from the people of the United Se In ORDER 70
the legitimate expense Of particular branch OF business
Are we never to stop this principle
You talk of civilization. The senator from New Hamp-
shire ought to go to cvilzing the Of the laborne
people, the mechanic and the farmer, who are the most
mserahy duped Eengressridden wreches that the world
ever saw Money voted ont of their pockets here daily
under the preence of civilization and perpetual peace The
idea that thing which has been will not De agsin i
against Scripture Thore will be al long as men have
their present passions and think they getting grea
deal worse instead of better The only security for peace
is to be prepared for If this proposition was TO de