The Kansas herald of freedom., 1857-12-19
Interesting Debate IN GENRES.

An interesting debate sprung up onfb.
9Th inst. in the United States sep,t.
Immediately after the Presidential Ma,
sage was read. We find the fOlIox;D,
synopsis Of it in the St. Louis Revsp,
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Mr. Douglas submitted a motion e,
printing the usual number of eopies II
the message and documents, and ff.sss
thousand copies thereof for the use Of tSa
Senate. He remarked that he coinc;dsS
cordially and heartily in the views of the
President therein expressed, with the az
ception of that portion relative to Kan.
sas, and the action of the Leeomp,on
Convention, At an early day he woul5
express his views, and give the reason
why he believed the people of Ka,s,s
had not been left, as the organic act a..
clared. perfectly free to forn and regul,,.
their own institutions in their own Wat
SIR. Stuart, 81 Michigan, coihcided !,
Mr.. Douglas views respecting the t.
compton movement. Alta future Oar /.
would speak on the subject, and insist a
the extent of his ability, that the neorls
of Kansas, should be treated like all o;h.
ers, and at the earliest opportunity reEE.
| late such institutions as they wish to IL.
under.
Mr.. Davis concurred in the views q;
the President concerning the Karsss
question, and should await the proms45
remarks of Me-. Douglas before he express.
ed his own views.
Mr. Bigler gave notice that he shoun
defend the position ASSUMED by The Pres.
ident TO the best of his ability and rt,.
pond to MIR. Douglas.
Dir. Hale spoke in opposition to the
constitution framed by the LceomFtoo
Convention, arguing that it would perlrt.
uate slavery in Kansas, 10 matter whs,b.
err the people either accepted OF rejected
; the. slavery clause.
MIR. Seward should be glad to lear The
supporters of the President explain his
position, for it seemed to him that the
message was very lame and impOtent in
its arguments on Kansas, and that some.
, thing more would be necessary to satisfy
the public mind than was contained in tie
document itself. He trusted that debate
on this point would not be delayed long
: for before we are aware Of it there NAV
2 be civil war in Kansas.
! Mr.. Mason was free to declare that al
the information for the last six moh,h.
relative to Kansas affairs, had come fron
= questionable sources. If he understood
the Presidents position, and he though;
. he did, it was impregnable.
Mr.. Trumbuil denied that the Legisls,
q ture of Kansas had authority to inita.s
d the Convention.
II It was, according to speech once Ge.
lived by Mr.. Buchanan himself in Il.
Senate, an act of usurpation. COngrtss
, has repeatedly refused to authorize tn.
: people of Kansas 10 form State COnst.
tuition. Much has been said about pOp1.
i lar sovereignty, but this now mertly
amounts, according TO the great exEOsiiU
. of the party, to giving the free whit
J, people of Kansas the right TO determint
e the condition of few negroes, while the
, are precluded from regulating their owl
institutions in their own way.
u Mr.. Brown said there seemed to b
u great anxiety to enter into discussion an
especially to find fault. They had hear
the message imperfectly read by th
clerk and they could not properly unde'
y stand it. He asked the Senators to paus
n and sleep on the document before indulg
ing in debate which would go forth t
the country over the telegraph, penetra
e ting even Kansas, and giving tone to Pub
F" lie opinion on premises not perfectly u
e derstood. He asked the Senators to II
feet before taking their positions and Ut
:, tering their sentiments under the circuH
81 stances to which he had referred in b
ct motion.