The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-10-07


Mr.. Garrison differed entirely these points
from MT. Parker, and did not admit the culpabiity
ofthe North or the mitigation OF southern c,mphci-
IA slavery, at least 10 he extent allowed 0y Mr..
farker, and denounced the ~ stem o. slavery, as
pFactised ia the Southern States as the worst In the
world. whist said L, .worse than under the Ro.
man empire. in which the master could at will put
his slaves TO DEATH" He thereGp0n corrected him.
self and said, 1.-The worst W modern ii n.s y
Some conversation ensiled between Mr. Parker
and myself as to the alleged hybrid character of
mulatt0es, and their INABILITY ~ perpetuate their
kind as uulattoes by contn lous iutermarriages or
marrying in and in, as il termed. lie mentioned
instances OF three geDeraii OF such mulaLtoes at
the North; but admitt4d that he like myself, was
only on the inquiry as 10 This point.
then opened another field OF discussion, and con-
tended that Northern interference and aggression
had retarded instead OF ad ,ancing emancipation in
the South: had strengthened the institution and
welded the South toget a. one man, IN It's support
and defence; that Mary land ana Delaware had at one
time, nearly left the Southern fold, but were now
back again. where they before a. members of
the Southern flock or famiiy that vi-giaa in 1882
had entertained the qnesti o the abolition Of sla
very IN hfr State Convention, pr, LEGISLATURE the
Richmond Enquirer, under Mr.. Richie and the Rich
m0nd Wing, under Mr.. Pleasaats. yieing with each
other In denouncing slavery as curse to Virginia,
and in clamoring for its abolition the measure
having narrowly escaped succe ssbut that coat Of
tar and feathers would prob IDLY now await the man
in Virginia who should venture 20 ieaew the propo-
sition; that Kentucky, despite the emancipation
prOCHNltteb vi MI clay, 10 lar as rs own ate was
concerned (but not as to ,he plantation Staes for he
held domestic slavery TO be their unaterable inherit
ance, SO far ~ human agency went) and of her OHIO
border had tenaciously adhered to the system, and
cast her lot now and forever, with her sister slave
holding States; and that Missouri, although with but
10000 or $4,000 slaves in population of 100000
or 800 900 souls, resoute in the maintenance
OF the institution OF slavery a. t. subject herself to
the charge of border ruff lnism Ia its defence nd
propagation; that all this Strengthening Of the
slave power, by rendering the slavehoiing States
unit in sentiment and IN action, was due to the ont
side pressure against, and foreign interfe with
Southern Slavery that the pride and passions of the
South had been now reused in Science Of an insti-
tuition interviewer, with their III strings, snd denti
fed with their homes aud their hearthstones with
their Penates and their Larrs-s,nd they would
never Yield it but with thsir hearts blood and
their lives that Northern interference had
also induced Southerners to probe the ques-
ton and philosophy of slavery ~ its proI0uHdest
depths and to discover that it was defensible and
justifabie, both on economical and Scriptural
grounds and that, on the latter ground it rs i'm
pregnabe as the rock o. Gibraltar, the rock of
truth-0f diviDely inspired and d,vnely sanctioned
truth: that whereas, the system was once general
ly held in the South to be an evil and Sin, and
was gradually getting undermined, az least in the
Southern border States, from causes working with
In themselves, 1t was now no longer regarded
as evil any farther than free lab is REGARDED as
an evil, (both of them, however in Gods provi-
dence, full Of compensations, aud the former much
more so than the attcr), or as sn in any respect;
but, the contrary conformable to the revealed
will of God, and as part Of the divine plan to
effect the great purpose or subduiDg the wilderness
Of America to the Purposes OF civilization, and per-
haps ultimately OF accomplishing the reflex action
of civilizng and Christisnizing barbar0us and be-
nighted Africa: that, so long as there was ab0-
lton interference, from abroad, or outside OF the
slaveholdipg States themselves the institution be-
came stronger and stronger, by the operation of
well understood principles OF human nature,
among which is that OF doiog nothing on COM
pulsion: that myself, in early youth. had been
i'll at the subject OF the lawfuncss of slave
ry and well remembered that, while student in the
South Carolina College, in the year 1919 or 1920 had
commenced debate, in college society, with these
WORDS That slavery is an evil, entailed on us by
our ancestors, s universally ad nj ted" but that my
opinions had long since undergone entire revolu
Non, and my conscience was wholly at ease on the
subject now regarded II "a not short Of impiety
and profanity 70 call that sin. which Jehovah 0rdain-
ed and patriarchs practsed and which Christ and his
apostles sanctioned and regulated: and that, for this
change and revolution In Southern sentiment and
opinion, we were indebted TO the abolitonists, and
perhaps more to Messrs- Garrison ana Parker than
10 any other two men living.
Here Mr.. Garrison and Mr.. Parker both said that
! should then thank, rather THAI denounce them
for their course. l answered, Of a surety, did
thank them, not for the motive, but for the unde-
signed result Of their interference.
Mr. Garrison then remarked that, nevertheless, II
he should 90 South he would certainly be mobbed
or tarred and feathered. I told him he certainly
would: and especially II he attempted to intame the
passions OF slaves or excite their discomfort, by
the propagation among them of his views Not
that l. or the gentlemen Of Chlrleston, would be
party to such proceedings again-t him, as dissp-
proved Of Lynch law In any aud every form; but
that there WAS In every community class 81 citizens,
constituting the material OF the aoo (although less
so in Southern than in Northern cites-the peacea-
BILE and orderly negro popu alton, In great measure,
filling up In the Souih the space occupied BY the
white mob population Of the North which could not
be controlled except, Perhaps BY the in.erPositon
of she militaYy-which candidly admitted would
not be turned out in favor Of one in such Ill odor
with the South a. himself.
Mr.. Garrison next took up the subject Of freedom
of discussion, and our denial 10 our slaves OF the
ern or southern man would be allowed to
discuss the question OF slavery IN the
Southern States. In reply, proceeded TO
explain that any one might freely discuss the ques
one would lie allowed publicly, or with our slaves, 70
enter into discussions OF such characte or Ia such
manner, or ut such time, or with such auditors, a.
might tend to disturb the peace OF Southern society
by whstting the knife Of tho murderer or lighting
the torch OF the incendary or otherwise stirring mp
peditop and mischief, In class now contented and
orderly and ranking asthe best fed and best clothed
and physically the most comfortable, ana morally ana
socially the most religious and ut the same time the
merriest peasantry and laboring population In the
world: No more than would be allowed, unmolested,
10 make nv appearance among numerous gamer
ing OF laboring Irshmen at the North, engaged on
preach up practical sgrarianism, sedition and prvy
Conspiracy among them, TO tho injury and spoliation
of private property and the disturbance OF the pub
lie peacc The answer to this was that my case
was an unsupposable one: and, we're u even sup,
posable would still be free to speaks very insmf
hcient answer Think the case quite snpposable,
and not In itself improbable, on the part OF some
one, In this era Of crazy and ischevous "isms =
and do not believe freedom Of speech would be per-
mitted At the NORTH in such case, except IL were
believed that II would be cox ct pr1ferea Mill
Surely II practical violence were apprehended a.
the result Of nch liberty or RIGHTEOUSNESS Of speech
the police Of either Boston or New York would ar
rest and nip the mschefin the bud, by the prompt
est and most active interference.
As 70 Southern laws against allowing slaves to
read and y rite, stated that knew them to be
dead letter in South Carolina, (and Mr. DAWSON said
they were 20 likewise in Alabama0 and believed
them 10 be 20 in the entire SOUTH and that In south
Carolins many leading men were In favor-as
myself was-of wiping those laws from our statute
book a. contrary to the spirit OF Protestant Chris
fianity, which could not consistently permit the
bible 10 be a scaled book 70 any human being, OF
any color or any condition. added was not only
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