New-York daily tribune., 1856-07-21
GOV. REEDER'S EVIDENCE,
As to the eoa4het Of Presidest Pie,ee in relation "a

As to the eoa<het Of Prsidest Pe,ee IN relat'on TO
Kansas.
We copy from the Report Of the Kansas Inves-
testing Committee so much OF Gov. Reeders tes-
tmony relates TO his conferer With Preuidsn.
is as follows:
81 left the Territory about the middle Of Aprll,
1855 aid came East for the purpoe Of taking out my
family aud attending to private business, 3 vel ~
for the purpose Of utng with the President 10 re-
gard to tie state of thlres IN the Territory.
During my presence in the States. went to the Cty
OF Warrington whore / arrived IN the bcgiunlnS OF
Nav, le5J. a. once saw PRECEDENT Piefce, and had
full consu alton with Lm on the state OF things IN
Kansas, which WIS pToIacted for more than two
week. Gnc kept up Glno7t daily. gave him. 10 Tue
fullest n,euner al the inforuistioD winch had upon
the subject, and endeavored to impress upon hin The
convection which wa upon my mind, that unless sOne
decided course taken the actual settlers OF the
Territory would be subjected 10 the most cruel per,e-
cutiOn that there was settled determination on the
pa,t OF The boroer counties OF Mssour-srODg IN men
and meansto deprive them of the night OF governing
themselves and regulating their own analrs sta!ed
10 bin that the seizure Of the polls at the t~o elecons
which had been held, together with the interneddng
and tyrannic rpirit which pervaded the entire az
ton of our Missouri peighbors, concurrsd with
al the information l had received 10 convince
me that there eedled determination by
Intimidation and force, to subjugate the Territory
entir, " to their viii in defapce Of the right Of the
muiority snd the ptncpl Of the organic law. had
learned some facts since the grant of he cerh-
Gates Of election, which / alco made known to him
Indeed, .ta'ed 30 him all my knowledge and az my
views in the most candid Snner, for had ntili tue
fullest confidence that be would .hare all my lndi5us
ton at the eroes wrong OF this foreign Interference
had several times written him or thin hlect II )m
the Territory. Immediately after the election of the
2sth of November, at which the most di'grac siul
ecenes had been enacted j WIOc him fully what had
taken place, ana expressed MY views on the subject
eyiOus a tn0t election hd also
written him, and that such an INVASION was openly
tLreatentd but expressed the opinion that by careful
provisions in my proclamation, ciud oounterdct IT,
for did not then dit that It would be carried 70
such xtrem.e of re kl-ssness and violence. shOrt
time p1Cyious the election OF the 3Uh Of Merc1
had gain written bin that the thing again
threaten ed. These letters, however, were pnyate
and now that committed al error IN making
them 20; but then had confidence that he felt upon
the subject did, and that the cause OF truth and
Justice would be best subseiGeo by lnJTustIGg tue
whole matter to his discretion without force sailing or
hampeiiIg his future acton. The Pfesdeut IN cur
interviews, expressed himself highly pease ed apd sats
fed with my cOuse, and III the most une41lvota
Language approved and indoised al had dOde. lie
expTcrs, regret however that my speech III E1s
ton Lad omitted all d lar ion 10 the ilcgalies OF the
Emi9 iaDt Aid Society, ana fought II was perhaps
unnecessarily strong in he deDunciauon OF the Missouri
inyarlUn told rim had no knowledge OF the ope-
rstions of the Emgraht Aid Company EXCEPT wfat
was before the whOle public and that 30 long "a they
had not sent out men merely to vote and not to settle
(o which bad no ovlCence ana Hhlch ud not De-
level could not consistently denOuuce their course
"a nl gal He stated that this Kansas matter had
gwen him hsrasslDg anxiety t"an anything that
had happened since the loss OF his tina, haunted
him oay and night and the great ove ershado~ins
trouble Of hs admini.trat on. He stated that the
most pcrlnacsu complaints Of me had been nGce 20
him. bud the most urgeut demands had been made Tor
my removal ppOn every ground that could be got up;
that Gen. AtcisOn pressed II III the most excited man
ner ard would listen to no reasoning at Gl As to the
cha) ges Of purchasing Indian lands and interests IN
towns be ssid be entirely satisfied to the former
that il was all fsr aid honorable and that hundr de-
had done 70 before me-ridicuied Mr.. Mann. pennys
objection TO it, and said be had rsbuked hin waen he
talked to bin Of IL he was, nevertheless sorry, under
the circumstances of this case, that bad mace any
purcbs..s, rs they nade p.ettxt for my enene. 70
annoy him with 0euIanos for my removal AZ TO the
purcbases of town property he esld he was catifely
saiisfcd, from hls confidence in me, taat they
were all right, bat he wished me TO explain
them to hm and refer TO the acts OF COnglcss und,r
which towns were laid out, so that he might b. pre-
par To- OttIy me and hHls, wheo tie subject came
up befule him IaccOrdinsy gave him sl tie iut rna-
tiOn the subject, both a. 10 lag and fact which Was
in ny power and stated what was the fact that 10 no
che care ha6 been concerned origiG4l pro 7cor
III the lay Ig out of any town, but III every case hsd
acquire NY interest suhect 70 the orlsiDa laying out
he expressed himself satlrhed except that he Thought
the act Of May 2s, 1874 did not auhoilze the syidg
ont Of towns except andr which had been earveyed
iepied that the CoWmissioner OF the LAM Oth5e
hao so construed the act Is 10 recognize oEns which
,
son would 70 state to him If he would Inquire ana
that this construction night and necessary, for 1t
was IDLE expect the Territory 10 be settled II 1t Pas
to remain Two years without towns Ho Expressed
Lims, If satisfied and the subject was then cropped
He wished no e1plaps,on nor fOund any fault 4s 10
the tract for half breed kaw LANDS but, IS bave
already staed, he express himself, IN strong Ian
guaee. thrcy satsfed ~ TO the isnnts and tonOrs
Biz character Of the transaction.
l. however prs S,ed that and another meter upon
biz attention The contracts fr these lands had been
ht fore lin with the accompanying pap.Is IN the month
Of Janusry previous, and upon AIR. MannyPenny's
making most violent aid high tempered report
against them upon the grouuds of untain a. ~el
Of clinical want Of conformity to the rules OF the
department, he had returned them to me, sisPly
deciii'g to confirm them. ] how called h's At
tenion ~ them agsn, and, he had expressed
himself fully Satisfied of their honesty sod fau
ness, l rrqaested linn to examine The additional
papers and depoat,Ds which he bad procured
TO supply technical defects and legal agi
mept [ sad made TO 6ealopstratc, from The decslJss
of the SupTcme Court the at;s OF Congress, and opn
hons OF the Attorney Gencrais, that tie whole case
aud al bad t. say upon i Wss before him, and re-
quested i'm 20 examine The anf decide IT. tie ask,
me TO hand TIE papers 10 Gov. McCicusnd Secretary
Of the Interior and did The second matter TO
which l called ais attention was the town site OF
Pswpse. l had informed him that my procl sm alton
named that place for the meeting of the Legislature,
and gave him . reason for doing that it
len ole from the iuence OF Nissouri. He approved
Of il very cordially and day or t~o thereafter
complained 10 him Of what considered the unfair
sctol Of the War Department. stated 20 him th>t
"A coon as il WAS ascertaintd suspe t.d that would
call the Legislature together at tnat place, If al
once sssat through the press and Otherwise 70 brak
IL down: that a Free state poPuls'ion recently had
commenced settling in aud around it; that il ob
won. its natural advantages would attract etnie ants;
tbst ia oirtspce from Missouri wouli constitute
crest objection TO the protectors and friends Of the
fcrr;en iryssion Of or Territory while the sano
ressotr would, in q few years, make relying poa:
for Sortherp men and draw about it large settle