The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-01-03

motion made in the House Of Pesrs by Lord
not the favorable opinion Of this House" On this
motion long debate ensued between Lords Rawdon
The Duke a1S in
tiated the treaty Of 17S3 the Marquis of CarmarthSn
etary for Foreign Affairs, who negotiated the CON
celebrated Thurlow, Lord Ra wdon, on introdu cing
his motion, stated s'that the Mosquito shore given
up to Spain by the treaty of 1855, had been for
than century in the posse IN OF Great Britain
that it consisted OF territory of between four and Ave
hundred miles in length and was nearly Of the depth Of
one hundred miles inland from the tha there were
various settlements and that the residents at the
time Of its cesson consisted of 1900 British sub
mixed color and their slaves; that a regular form of
had been established on many since
&C sist1g Of Council 3e that i was settlement q
cur claim to was as good as our claim to the Island of
jamaica In support Of these assertions his Lordship
produced various documents from the Governor and AS
semby Of the Island Of Jamaica and other corroboran
papers. In exchange for this valuable settlement she
said the British ministers had contented themselves
between eleven and twelve miles in extent, only.
Lord Rawdon then proceeded to censure the Mnsters
cay for the 18th article of the convention by which
the King of Spain promises not to exercise any act of
severity against the Mosquitoes inhabpg in any part of
the connections which may existed between the said
Indians and the English, which his Lordship declared
to be "a mcst degrading humiliation of Great Britain
The Earl Of Carlisle in the same manner spoke Of the
Mosquito Shore settlement that had been In the
disturbed possession of Great Britain for more than q
century He considered the Ministers especially censur.
able "for having hung UP the humiliation of Great
Britain in every court in Europe in article degrading
to the national homer the l4th article Of the
on because there could be secret for such
moitfying sacrifice Of the spirit Of the country" Lord
sormont likewise particularly enlarged the 14th
try and be- ssS MosoSto o the nSuns sGun
had proved themselves faithful allies and invariably
that they were an independent people, AID that had
right whatever to denver them to the Spanish
cheser and the Marquis Of Carmathen said very little
more than in support Of their personal agency in
the treaty OF 1883 and the continuation of 1886 the
fence being left to the LORD Chancellor the champion of
the administration, who left the woosack and in most
mastery answered the various arguments that
had been urged support of the notion He begun with
declaring that he had expected have heard the ques
ton spoken to with that degree cLess and candor
that belonged to it He looked for accuracy of des
cpon in point Of geographical character than had been
attemped. The Musquito shore has been talked Of
tract Of country extending between four and five hundred
rasses with which it was nterspersed, any allowance
for the parts of it that actually impossible to be
either cultivated inhabited. With regard to settle
mens 1t would be imagined by those who estranged
to the fact that there had been regular government
regular council and established laws peculiar to the tor
itcIy when the fact there neither had existed the
the other His Lordshp went into the history of
he settlement tracing down from the year 1860 to the
year 17 mentioning Lord Godolphns treaty and all its
and deducing arguments from each fact
he ntioned to prove that the Musquito shore
had been fairly deemed British settlement, but that
aca who had erected fostcatons, which had been
afterwards abandoned by order ef the government at
the Peace OF Paris in 1885, when Governor Iyttlston
governed Jamaica and enlarged upon the to show that
this country by the peace Of Paris had what
claim she might before that period have ancied
she had right to mantain and had given fresh proof
having done in the year l77 when Lord George
Cermaine, the Secretary of the American Department
sent out Mr. IawTe to the Ausuito shore to see that
the pulatiops of that treaty between this country and
Spain were carried fully into execution. His Lordshp
afka
forcing and applying them to the arguments that had
been urged in defence Of the notion to notice
tons of that sort, declaring that he had been
happy 10 hear the matter jucialy observed upon.
His Icrdship i'd he should have been extremely glad
the whole ground of the transactions could win peu-
ience and proprety have been gone into; but that
could not be DONE he must meet tue matter he found
Y With regard to the degradation OF the country that
The 14 article pretended to hold cut he denied tue
ic The Mosquitoes were not allies, they not
PEOPLE we were bound by treaty to protect nor were
at had been stated the number having BEEN accord.
ng to the last report from thence only hundred and
procured (by contract, the noble Lord pleased sti
ulaon that the King Of Spain would not punish those
h mse'vcs, improperly Of the rights bel ,nging to the
'p"nish crown, AMI in consequence OF such ir-
r.ssuar. POSSESSION, had persisted for course
IN The eoynent Of those rights. His Lordship repellei
he argument that the settlement was regular and
egal settlement with some sort Of Indignation and so
ar from arguing as has been contended that we had
uniformly remained in tho quiet and unuesionabe pos
csson OF our claim to the territory he called upon the
lobe Niscount Storm ont to declare OF honor,
Nhether he did not know the contrary
TIL purport of Lord stormonts answer is not given.
iuced documents by General Dalng when Governor
u Jamaica, to prove that superintendent had been
ent to the settlement the Muquito shore at that
iue with view TO form government
The Lord Chancellor replied that he Of the
peiication for charter but he wished the noble
ord bad mentioned the answer that given
o tnat application when it was made His Lord
hip said the having sent superintendent with
view to the establishment of regular council etc. did
not by any means prove that the government AZ home
,ad countenanccd the scaeme He referred the uebic
to what had been before stated relative to the con-
luct OF Governor yteton in 1868 and Of Lord George
'ermaine in 11, ample proof that, let what would
been tho state of the Mes quito ho.e the opinion
e1his country in 1Hi 11is the iea OF settling there
,ad been changed completely since and the ortc ltiors
ecenty abandoned nd withdrawn. After further
question was taken and decided aglins. Lord Rawdon
no ion to couen the enton, bs vote of fifty three
% seventeen. Ihis debate i found more a. large in
IA lamentary Register, 1's7, vol. 81
Nothing could be more h.sl--not the treaty Of
isS Itself 10 the prctensons set up by Great Britain
md the vote the mo.ion 20 eeusure the treaty Of
7S6. The Lords who supported the motion of
m the administration for having made the treaty ASSERT
t is true that Grea i. ain and her allies, the Mosqui
o. had rights before the treaty Of 1885, but admit tnat
hcc rights given up by that treaty This position
eli and The Mosquitoes OF havag rights there after that
eaiy. on the other hand, lord 4hurlow, 10 his de-
O thc dcifeG al clalins on
4 the Mosquito Indians we'll the part of Great
5sip, except what given by The clause relative TO
he rcii.e His poaiion,, which was concurFed in by
lcary the whole House of Lords Is therefore equally fatal
There pcetensions Ct The British government. In
cw tho other the vote OF the whole House of lords
aeI oWe6gllcnt that Great britain afler 1885, had
40 lights whatever in Central America in that vioni
v, except the limited usuruct 10 a small tract
] county The bezc-n1t cL.imcd pact
f Genital America and that the Mosquito
ndiars had sovereign rights to any territory
sStever. Ire acts Of Parliament show that Great Br
ain had dominion then Ia the i,olize-aud
Dy four .rcatics--tnfec with SIaia and with the
nted s'atc(hat Of the 1eth Of April, 1850, she has
prcc!uGod herself from iutcpong p the aialr OF Cen
rA America therefore trust you will encounter but
little difficulty il inducing her TO abandon unfoundcd
professions, end to pest these secnn treaty spu'a
lions. The whole Central American Question, far
scat Britain has III to connect herself with it, il
entirely condcd 10 your management under such In
'truciiors you may from tine 10 Il me dcsirc such
the PrcfGcnt may consider himself called upon To fur
ni in tho ogrcss Of the discussions wich may arise
thereon. y &
Ism sir respectfully, your obcdcnt servant,