The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-07-18

insut-tha which, at any rate cannot but De called
nsuthas been put upon England by the government
Of the United States. (Hear, hear) Has It been put
with without causeY II with cause ought 70 be
confessed if without cause, ought to be resented.
(Cheers SIR am bound 10 that upon this question
my feelings Of such nature that 1t would be mpossi
Bile for meet with direct negative The motion of
the hon. member for Mayo could not say No'' TO
motion which states that the conduct .! her Majesty 60
vernment regard to enlistment in America has not
titled them TO the approval Of this House. Nor do !
mean simply to take my stand when say am likely to
vote with the honorable member for North Warwick
SHIRE upon the crcumstance-though y an important
one-that called upon to say Aye" "No''
that question The qus ston which you, sir, will put
from the chair-that should go into Committee Of Sup
py-gves 10 the matter the technical parliamentary
pect Of what called the previous question; but at the
time must say that do not concur in the Gems Tres
which have been bestowed upon the honorable member
Mayo with respect the time Of bringing forward
bis motion. (Ilear hear) Yet the question IL one OF
the greatest difficulty. cannot say that there is in
the conduct Of her Maesty's government engaged IN
actions with foreign country but, before deciding
the question whether the honorable member for Mayo Is
open The censures which have been cast upon
BIN, mutt consider whether the papers which have
been laid the table do not make acquainted with
all the fs of the case-wLeher the misunderstood
ing with America has gone beyond the point OF
mere diplomatic communication, and has umed
for and action in the face OF the world and whether
the House ITSELF at least those individual mem
bers who have ismiariZed themselves with the
contents Of the blue books, will not by declining to
AXE this opportunity or expressing their opinion upon
them become parties to the approval OF the conduct OF
her Maiestys government (Iiear, hear For myself
sir, frankly own that have elt the greatest difficulty
ID considering the question what TO give upon the
present occasion never recollect question more din
cult pressing upon my own understanding and con
science, (hear hear); but with my knowledge and
per!ence OF this House. convinced that those who
feel with me cannot do better than throw themselves on
the Indulgence Of the House, stating fully the difficulties
which they experience exposing themselves, need be-
10 adverse criticism, but relying with confidence upon
the generous forbearance Of the House put fair
struction upon their language tilear, hear) At any
rate after what have said shall state in Ineligible
language why i expect to hnd myself voting with the
honorable member for North warw.ckshire. ny honora
bile ieI at the Dcement OF this discussion
that he deprecated the beginning OF II as likely 70 injure
interests Of peace, and he likewise characterized
il as a party question, casting some dscredh upon
fact party question: Why. appeal to his own
example against his precept lie himself has risen In
is place declared that he Will vote against the
the honorable member for Mayo so far that Is
an indication that It is not party question. (Hear,
hear Again within the last few minutes the right hon
orabie gentleman the memb.r for Manchester who,
Gppehend does not belong 10 the same political schoo
the honorable member for Ma yo has declared his IN
teaiop u support the motion. But If my right honora
bic isnd ana the honorable member for Mayo are max
ing party question, behalf OF what party are they
raising IL l. II Of the party opposiey Does the honor
able member for Mayo belong the school of right
honorable gentleman the men Der tor Bucknghamshres
Why, sir is quite plain this Is not party question
(Cheers.) And, sir | am bound to say that, in my
opinion that vital element in the consideration OF the
Disappearing the conduct Of her Majesys govern
ment the of the foreign enlistment ques
ton say here that should be ready express that
disapproval by i. motion to that effect made
by party ready TO be responsible for the consequences
OF success. (Cheers Now, sir say 10 the honorable
member Mayo without the slightest disrespect thai
these questions Of upon governments
matters of great Importance, and that i'll considering
them we must look not merely TO terms in which
they are framed, but likewise TO the quarter from
which they emanate. Qiear, hear.) mean nothing
disparaging the honorable member for Mayo but
regard his motion declaration Of party ready
be resposble for the results Of is adoption, Is
beers Of tins House. who have little influence upon
the division and who, If the resolution were carried
could rot themselves be responsible for the eonse.
quences (IIear hear think, sir, II Is good prac
teal rule in Parliamentary discussions that we should
by votes weaken the hands Of governments Ut
less prepared 10 displace them from oiec car
hear think IL desirable in these foreign tran
sactons that the should be assaed by votes
.Lat tend TO weaken their influence behalf OF their
country unless they moved by those who respon
ble or carrying those opinions into elect therefore
should have approved the motion before the House II !,
Jcpsihle Tor carrying the resolution OF the honor
% member for Mayo into effect For vote Of
,oi able to vote, bu, II the motion had come
',forc supported b. those who ready o.
any oct the principle II embodied, should have fell
II my cuty to give elect 70 my opinion. But then J
may be asked, Z" Why, admitting that we ought not r.
weaken the hands OF the government in carrying their
dicut negotiations with a foreign countrywhy do Jou
upon this discussion and express opinions contrary
the taken by the government Ny answer d
plain. have choice, after the turn this debate ha
taken. IAN hon. member made IA remark, which
naudble My hon. friend says going To speak
way and vote another. a laugh) Well SIR object
all abstract character, and which cannot b.
cHiied 10 practical result. believe II 70 be wise
ule that Of the government should only
proposed by those who able TO give effect TO the
principle contained in those votes. should not shrink
from giving my vote In accordance with that opinion
but matters stand shall going into Com mlttee
Of supply The state OF u lngs with which you have d.
deal this Upon the British Minister the penalty
dismissal from Washington has been inflicted. A.
tie this country concerned the state 81
things IL therefore unsatisfactory. Hear hear As Ear
as regards the American government what Is its condl
Was the breach with America closed up by his dis
mssalS VIII any man say that he believes isY II
were right 10 retain Mr. Dallas, why do you keep
dpl, macy In a state Of half animation (IIear) Why
do you not appoint successor 10 Mr. Cramptony III
conceive for not sending away Mr.. na,
that does not equally prove that you should appoint
cessor to Mr.. CHAMPION. (Hear) II the American gov
err ment bad no cause 10 justify them in disms.ing Mr
10 justify them, why d, you Dot admit that they
right and send successor to MI Mr.. Champions
placti iear.) My right hon. FRIEND the Secretary
State or the Home Department having spoken lat night
presume IN possession OF the views OF the gov
ernmcn aud the government were not content TO debate
this question except upon il merits. Ny hon friend the
n ember for waIwcksbre said he would not enter upon
The merits of this question: and that perfectly consist
ent course take my hon friend TO BIT
the government have entered upon the discussion npon
the merits a. the That was manly course and
DO not lind fault with II. Whether i was a prudent
course am not But they declared their adhe
renee 10 ali that has been done and stated during thu
" boe progress OF this painful discussion. Nothing
b. more explicit inan the ,ney nave made 70
there had been charges against the government Of voai
pg both International law and the municipal aw Of the
ned states he denied both those charges aud denied
hat either law bad been violated My right honorable
friend the Secretary o. State foo the Home Department
even boder In his manner OF dealing with this sub
ect than the Alto ney General He said that the officers
a The government had acted up 70 the spirit OF the In
tina, they had received. He said that no acts
been done contrary to the American law and that the
ologies made the United states government did
admit that such acts had been done because her Ma
stys government felt all along that wrong had been
isne. SO that the doctrine Of the government Is that
heir proceedings have been justified by their own In
'trucons am certainly not prepared 10 be responsible
that opinion by the side Of the evidence In this blue
book. Ibelicve indeed, that such assertion Is made
the teeth Of the panes evidence in every Of these
(iear, bear) That not only my opinion.
but believe IL in effect the opinion Of great many Of
he members Of this House who have given their time
and labor the pcrusal Of these blue books Small Is
lear the number who 70 thst description There
are many things that the English people will do They
will sign petitions; they will attend meetings; they will
attend meetings they viii get up seisauons; they will pay
axes and double taxes need be. But blue books they
will not read a laugh That Is the case. also, with
members OF this House. say fcarlessly that the At
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