New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1856-05-13
DFRATE ON THE FALL OF KARS.

Mr. Whiteside moved in the House of Commons, on
Monday evening, the 2sth, "that while this House
"feels il to be its duty to express admiration
4" Of the gallantry Of the Turkish sodiery, and
" of the devotion of the British Officers, at the
"siege Of Kar: it feels it to be equally duty To ex-
"press its conviction that the capitalization OF that for
iress and the surrender of the army which defended
ait, thereby endangering the safety OF the Asatic
provinces of Turkey, in a great measure owing
the war. Of Sre;gh and on the 9s s OF
ported his resolution io a ve,y effective speech;
The AtorneyG enera replied in defense of the Gov
eminent, az did the Lord Advocate.
Lord John Manners supported the resolution, after
which the debate was adjourned till the succeeding
evening
TIE adjourned debate on Mr.. Whesides motion re-
spectng the fall of KaE was then resumed by Mr.. j.
G. PhiIimore, who opposed the motion.
Mr. Seymour moved an amendment 10 the effect
that in the opinion OF the House was not expedient
TO pronounce any opinion upon the subject OF the fall
of Kais until the House had considered the provisions
of the treaty OF peace and the protocols connected
Herewith.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer in reference to an
objection that concessions had been made on the part
Of England and France in consideration of the loss OF
Kars quoted the third article in the Treaty OF Peace,
as making no mention Of any consideration He then
referred to the application for the loan negotiated in
this country for the Turkish Government and denied
thu Kars had fallen through the delay Of pecunary
supplies being sent from this country. AL that the
British Government had done was to take care to see
that the money properly applied; but the Turkish
GoNtrnmtDt was UNIV W lcSWi"eVh'
for the due application Of the money.
Sir John Pakpgton contended that Mr.. WhDside's
speech remained as yet unanswered and remarked
that the sending of 10000 to Gen. Williams at the
proper time might have prevented the capture OF
kais The terms of peace had certainly been inHu.
enced by the fall of Kars ard he expressed his ex-
IRENE astonshmeLt at the assertion that the Govern
ment of this country were not responsible TOR the ios
of Kars. Lord Stratfcrd de Redclife's conduct to
Gen. Williams though be disapproved of it, had not
caused the surrender of Kars That catastrophe was
cue 10 the vacation ard the want of energy OF the
British Government at home He should support the
motion. .
Mr.. Layard said that Mr. Whiteside's speech should
have been made thr years ago to have been OF any
use and he afraid the main object was not to beat
the Russians again but TO beat the Government AMER
reviewing in much detail the points upon which Mr..
White side rested his case he contended that the real
man to blame for all that had occurred was LORD Aoer
deem. To have been right the censure oug9t 10 nave
included Lord AbeYdeen's Government as wen as Lord
Pamerston's. At the same time he die not believe
that all had been done that might have been done to
defend the frontier of Asia Minor, and consequently
fr the mot ection of Kars by Lord Pamerstons
Government. He blamed the present Government
for ,hei, proceedings in respect TO the oan and not
giving Gen. Williams the power to draw upon Con-
stan.nope lie blamed them too, tor the petty inter-
ference cf the War Office in the conduct of the war;
making their generals mere puppets., lie blamed
them too fer the treatment of the Turkish generals
but be had heard grounds to convince him that he
ought TO support the notion
TO his character but be Mr. Maguirel would state the
Truth Of the whole matter without disguise o. reserva
ton q Lord Straiford de Radcliffe was the great Of
feIdtr ard he held Government responsible for having
kept him in Office 20 .ong. -
Sir w Heathocte supported Mr. Seymour's amend
ment a. tie best plan for terminating the debate with
Ut anticipating the discussion OF the treaty Of peace
Tie eject of the Amendment would be the same as It
the previous question lad been moved.
Aiter few observations from Mr.. W amer against
the Motor, Mr.. Sergeant then said that Lord Palmer
ston, who lad just concluded glorious peace, would
gested IN the amendment He ought 10 meet the
MOTION which was a ope-sded motion, with decided
negative ard be was sure NE house would support
lin by vast majority.
Sir f.. b. Lyiton then moved the adjournment of the
debate
Lord Pamerston, who spoke with great warmth,
said he could quite understand why party who had
shrutk fom the discussion should take this course
hut be would take division tonight, aud nc was sure
he would have Triumphant majority. lie was willing
to sit all night for this purpose.
Mr.. DsTaeli said Mr. Seymours amendment had
made difference in the state OF the question: which
rendered further consideration necessary; and the
noble lord had boasted that he ready to they
would try this question. He would never consent TO
tl4 which the noble lord had adopted, for was
unworthy Of him. and rot respectful toward members
WHO had yet TO express their opinions lCheersl.
The Horse divided on the motion for the adjourn
ment OF thu. debate. For the motion, l53; against
243-msjorify against, 20.
Mr. Maiins ther moved that the House DO a.liolm
Lord Pn'mersor' did 10: object 10 The adjournment