The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-10-07

would dare, or venture to maintain such sent ments
To which replied that they both would. aud the
| Courier should. Mr.. Garrison still doubted but /
insisted and said time should bring hiu proof of the
| correctness OF my assertion.
was asked il these opinions Of mine, and the pro-
gress OF missionary effort among the slaves in the
| south indicated that either 1 or tue Son tn
| WAS actng with view 70 toe ultimate
emancipation Of The negro race? l answered,
mot at all. They are wholly irrespective OF any
such plan which does not enter NJ all i:tn my mind
| or the southern mint. Domestic slavery is regard
ed as the perpetual and not untavorcbe destiny Of
the Scuh unless and until IT shall please Providence.
~ day. IN the very remote future. to extngulsh
| II, or remove it, from our borders ny an exodus
| greater and as miraculous "a that OF the Jews
siatt d that the attempted ,nsorrection of 1922
| IN Charleston was due, AS testified by so ne OF tue
Witnesses ard of the riainas. part, the
circulation Of in endiary abolitioa pamphlets among
our slaves. and t, the discnssi6.s incident to the
| Missouri question, and intmated that | held Sir.
Garrison responsible some measure for taat in
tended but frustrated tragedy and that i had
suited in legislation. restrictive OF emancipation in
South Carolina. which could formerly he elected by
| simple process before one or two magistrates, but
now could only be done, either inter Uivos or pos
tbumously, hy act of tpe Leg slature. Mr. Garrison
iheIenpon set me night u the chronol ICY of his
sboitonisln. think he said l. did not comnence
before 1881 or 1882. l amended she record accord
I inely. ard added that my knowledge OF him dated
| nom his editorship Of the Liberator. which had
caused him to be led about the streets of Boston,
| with rope round his neck and mob at his heels.
rope replied, "Perhaps So bu. it was put on by
Massachusetts hands which was assented to.
askt Mr. Garrison as test questioo whetaer, If
Massachusetts, like South Carolina mad within her
limits more black than white people. ne would then
be in favor OF bestowing political and al equality
on his sable pr0ffg6s. He aaid he certainly would.
| replied that he vas then an honest and con-
sstent aboitonist, and M opinion OF him
| from that instant somewhat changed for the
| better: aud that, however, much | nigh DIT plore
| his errors and decisions | could still respect
| an honest abotionist; that | did respect Ger
| TT Smith, .or instance, who bad proved his sim
cerity, by pouring out his money like wpter for the
objects OF bis mistaken sympathy; but that | cor
| daily and thoroughly despised and de ested such
men al William II. seward Charles Sumner John
+, Hale, and the like, who, firmly believed, were
only using free soils As meaus and ree soilers
tools to accomplish their selfish purposes and OBJ
ieCts OF unhallowed ambition.
Mr.. Garrison admitted rather asserted, with
some bitterness, that pro-slaverysm, in his acceoa
ton OF the torn, was yet in the ascendant even in
Massachusetts, and as veil in the pulpit as in the
social and political walks OF fe he regarding all
pro-slsivery men, who do not 40 10 the extremes
that he ana Mr.. Parker do
Mr. Parker or Mr.. Garrison questioned me as to
the dsunon pIoclivltes II the South. | replied
that II Kansas by fair without interference. by
euher "border rufians or Tree soil ruffansr should
form State constitution with pIoslavsry clause in
IL, ana should be refused admission into the Union
IN that ground as sure as there was a sun in the
heavens the Southern States would dissolve the
Union. at all hazards, and form Southern confede-
racy: that, as a Union loving, conservative South
emer such course approved itself to my iu1 yment
and that l might be Iairly taken index OF
the sentiment OF the Union men and conservatives Of
the South; and that, "a the South was one SEN
timent row, so would IL be one in action when
the crisis should arrive. Mr.. Garrison expressed
his high qualification At hearing this. and indeed
gloated. with delight, and even with fierce joy, at
prospective disunion: and thereupon several voices
exclaimed, the one idea, the one idea" implying
that the exclaimers regarded him as a monomaniac
on the subject, aud that they differed widely from
him. He said he would rejoice in any event
that would entirely relieve the North Of its compli-
Parker did not indicate his views on this point, but
! strongly suspect him TO be 10 full sympathy and
accord with his friend, Mr.. Gai rison.
Notwithstanding the ul.raism of Mr.. Garrison, he
declared himself peace man, and that he Ii for
efecting bis purpose OF the entire eradication OF
slavery from the land, only by mild and persuasive
means and by such patient endurance and long suf-
erng a. were CHARACTERISTIC OF the meek and lowly
author OF Christianity, and should be equally So Of
his disciples. In this pacific phase OF his abolition.
i.m he styled himself, or recognized himself, as "a
fewburyport man" or "abotionist, "a designation
which Was not otherwise explained than by It's con-
nexon with the confession that "his thoughts were
turned on peace ana by his reference TO Mr.. Park
er as "a Bunker Hill man." or .abotionist." from
which inferred and understood that Mr.. Parkers
voice was still for war" in the accomplishment
of abolition by any and every means, however vio-
lent OF revolutionary.
Fiat juatitia-ruat cnlum,
IL the war cry of the latter while the former deudes
himself with the belief that, by his Vaccinations
against southen rights and interests, he is only pro-
noting "peace on earth, and good will 10 yards
men,. He, doubtless, in "thc strong delusion" that
IS on him ito believe lie, imagines that with all
lowlincss and meekness, with long suffering. for
bearing one another in love- he Is endeavoring
to keep the unity OF the spirit, in the bond Of
peace".-Ephesians, Nv %.
Mr.. Parker questioned me on the statistics
Of death among the black and colored popula-
ion nj the South, seemed to be under the erro-
neous impression that there is a largely greater
mortality among them, and especially among
their children than among the whites, which i
told him ! did not believe TO be the case, as
their ratio Of multiplication exceeded that Of
the whites. informed him, however, that, so far
IA South Carolina was concerned. there were no
liable statistics In regard TO the mortality Of slaves
out OF the Cities "a our law, for the registration Of
deaths and births among slaves, was bu. OF few
years date, and our people had not yet generally
conioImed to Its provisions 10 as TO enable u TO
yield reliable results. The cases OF longevity, In
both males and females, however, were nume rous,
and, on my deceased motherin-law's plantation
there were, some ten years since five generations
Of one family, living at the same time, the three
eldest Of which passed of the stage almost stimuli
faneously. He said the cases Of longevity among
the blacks were numerous also Of the NORTH and he
knew one which had extended to 40 years.
gro was, or had been, the oldest or most longlved
person in the United States
The discussion originally commenced between
Mr.. Garrison and myself, as previously
tening. and occasionally actisg % umpire or
moderator. Mr. Garrison was impctuous, and
think impatient and so was /. to some extent, and
unwilling TO let me answer in full, when le put
questions TO me, interrupting me, and preventing
the completion OF my answers. | complained OF
this. and said, al have never interrupted you when
answering my questions. DIR. Garrison said that
had spoken two words 10 his one, and Mr.. Parker.
as moderator ruled th,t had often interrupted Mr..
Garrison. acknowledged both my numerical adj
vantage, in words over my disputant and my fro.
quent Interruptions Of him. but held and still hold
that had never Interrupted him in his answers to
my queries. Mr.. y. had to interpose more than once
to get me the privilege Of reply, or TO lot me have
my answer fully out
tants had closed, AIR. Parker took up the parole,
discoursed mildly and eloguently, pouring out
food Of information statistical and otherwise, and
adornng the controversy with many pearls and
gems Of thought and diction. regret much that,
having taken no notes, l am wholly unable 70 fur.