The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-07-18

let US what time the abandonment really did take
mens Of Mr. Champion and Sir Gaspardpe Marchan az
when they first became cognzant of wishes gov
ernment in that respect Mr. Champion states that he first
became aware OF the desire Of the British government
TO abandon the scheme or recruiting on the I'd OF
August. Sir Gaspard le Marchant whose position
OF still more Importance, because Halifax the great
Of operation states that was on the 18th Of Au
gust that he first received ntmation that he TO
cease his proceedings and then he did not receive
the intmaon from the Colonial Secretary at home but
through Mr. Champion Her Maesty's government found
out therefore, that during this period these proceedings
were going and were being complained of and yet to
those complaints they retoed they had abandoned
the scheme Of recruiting long and Lord Clarendon in
somewhat contemptuous tone stated that recruiting
had long ceased at the same time expressing The opinion
that the American government had not appreciated as
they ought TO have done the conduct Of her Maestys
Ministers in abandoning those proceedings lie stated
that the abandonment Of recruiting took place on the
I'D or june but have poiI out to the House, the
letters ordering discontnuance of the system reached
Mr. Champion only on the I'd of August and Halifax
the 18th Of the same month appears 10 me- then that
we originally commenced system oil concealment To-
wards the American government and not only did we DO
that but also adopted measures calculated TO mslead
them. Hear hear) appears that we took the most
tru tworthy opinion the law Of the United States
and not only acted against that opinion but continued
10 do for many months after the time at which
which we had commenced After this the
House say that the American government had no just
for complaints Can we refuse to admit wrong to
Whatever has been doneY appears TO me to be that sort
If which scarcely admits Of further argument or IL
III IL Is 10 DC mater Oh dispute tnat
any cause OF complaint has been given the government
ri the United States, then think thai may fold
arms in despair and say even in this imperfect world
things have hitherto been held to DO real and be
You'd the possibility of doubt but henceforth nothing
certain, there is nothing upon which reliance be
placed, there is nothing which may not be made sub
ect for captious disputatonn said that there Is no.
thing the instructions Of the British government to
cause a wrong to the American government Now what
is the real fac Lord Clarendon says that short
Of the conclusion of actual contract to enlist within the
limits Of the United States may be done, and nnocently
DONE Now that Is way Of avoiding responsibility
contract governed by the Len loci and there
fere contract To enlist could not be concluded at all
and he then goes On to say 70 the agents Of the govern
ment, 'You may persuade persons enlIst you may
sst them in so doing, you may pay their passage 70
place where they be enlisted " although such OPT
contrary to the opinion OF tie American courts
contrary to the opinion Of his law officers and
trary to the declaration OF Mr. Lumey himself the
hon. member for North Warwickshire, The Ameri.
government has accepted the apologies which have
been made Now, sir, cannot admit that such is the
case although do not seek 10 detract from the force of
what they have done. A most extraordinary state Of
things has been brought about (Hear, hear.) The
Am. rican government acous the British government
but at the time Furnishes Mr.. Champion and the
three Consuls while the British government maintains
and acquesces in the acts Of It's agents and yet accepts
with satisfaction it, own acqutal. (Cheers.) This Is
inple, unadorned statement it contains no heightened
epitses, and indeed, do not think that any epthet
could heghten II (Iear, hear) Mr.. Champion has
been made scapegoat-by whom is question which
will not discuss-but want TO know whether 1t would
Dot be contrary to the charac and practice Of this
House when there is no single action of Mr.. Champion
which fas not met with the approval Of the government
allow any distinction to be drawn between the pro-
ceedngs Of Mr. Champion and those of the British govern
ment Uosd cries of " Hear.'O ! admit fully the
honorable conduct 10 this respect Of those who sit upon
the Treasury bepcn because they do not attempt TO draw
any such distinction The dismissal of Mr. Champion
either wright wrong Now, the honorable and learned
member for Leomnser says that 1t Is the undoubted
tight Of any State to ask for the withdrawal Of any
Minister accredited to 1t at its own pleasure, and
without assigning any reason. Now, am not, like the
honorable and learned gentlemen qualified profession.
ay deal with that subject. but. from referring
TO authorities upon the subject, ] am inclined u
think that some rea on should be assigned and IN the
present instance the American government have admit
I'd that principle because they have assigned reason.
But sr what extraordinary course is that adopted
by the honorable and learned gentleman The honora-
bic and learned gentleman says tina the American gov
had perfect right 10 demand the dismissal Of
Mr. Champion, and he that reason for support
ing the col duct OF a ministry which, when The demand
made, refused TO comply with II. (Hear hear
That cir, appears to considerable anomaly. clear,
hear The American government had either received
for offence not. IT II had not, then had
right TO make the demand for the recall Of Mr. Cramp
ton and the dismissal Of that gentleman ought not 10
have been accepted as has been. (Hear, haar) And,
whatever happens, the government ought not TO allow
matters 10 remain in their present doubtful and
os state for 10 allow Mr. Dallas To remain here and at
the same time by not replacing Mr. Champion, to
nibt amount Of III feeling TO the American gov
enmen does not rebound to the credit honor OF tho
country II send substitute for Mr. CHAMPION IL IS
going far towards admitting that the Americans hav
ceiyed Just ase Tor ohcnce and that they have can
the American gov0nment had perfect right TO raise. II
might have been more generousc co not to raise IT,
but no one can dispute Its right 10 raise H. We commenced
by a course Of concealment, and now, far
ms the vast majority OF the public, and even mem
beers Of this House are concerned the whole affair Is
complicated with dates and events, which require
great pains and study 10 extract from these papers
long buried In the archives OF the Foreign Office that very
imperfect information exists. The ultimate Judgment
however OF this House ami of the country Is not doubt
fu may be cleaned from the chAractc Of this debate
me s rv ~ h Ssr mas ao
he carefully avoided giving any opinion upon It's merits
The honorable member for Montrosc carefully avoids de-
Tending the proceedings OF the government but he
that they do the Of this House OF
Commons and he has condescended 10 throw upon Mr..
Champion the responsibility which ought belong his
sion be any but do not deny that 1t Is qucs
ton which deserved discussion in this lious do not
know what lay be the intentions OF tho honorable gen
tlcman who made the notion not being In his conuscs,
hut he has acted his privilege Independent
her UIcar, hear The debate which has taken place
vill ,lIeve not be altogether free from
bot certain that II will have this great advantage
that will tend TO the real calculation Of the facts (ear
hcar) II Ia for the truc, substantial. and permanent
interest Of the two countries that the facts
should be elucidated. (Iear, hear.) II the Anne.
rican people made aware Of the facts, they
will take care that their government docs not
beedlessly carry them into quarrel The English
people, too, when propcrl, informed on the
subject will ako exercise similar salutary influence,
and this debate the first effort made 10 bring know
ledge Of the facts 10 the mind Of the English people
Hear, hear Hitherto the facts have been
brought TO the test Of argument They have been the
property OF the writer's OF persons using them for
poses Of their ant they were now Tor the FIRST time
exposed 10 free discussion was sorry when the noble
lord at the head O. the government Attempted to put
close TO this debate last night, but do MOI suppose that
the discussion OF the most agreeable character 10 the
gov .nment Uaughter) II grant that my noble friend
sound general rule in giving the weight Of his
suiho y against the practice n frequent APPOINTMENTS
o debate but the importance Of this matter Is hardly to
be oyersated. Icar, hesr) The facts with respect to
american law are too clear for sophistry Itself to dis
guise (Icar hoar) ]: were possible TO insure the
real study oi the blue book by all the members of this
House there would be serious difference of opinion
remaining to whether the American law had been OBJ
served not. II persons responsible for tho conso
qucnces Ct their opinions prepared 70 take
this question, | should rot hesitate 10 give my
adhesion to authentic expression Of the sentiment OF
The House; but IN abstract vote OF ceDsure, l am
not prepared to participate When the honorable gentle
nan opposite said this was a party question, ]
could rot help hoping that he would not give the
weight Of his character against party combinations In this
Louise, which associated with OF the best chap
tets in our history. When look back 10 the period
when party combinations we're strong In this house
when Sir X Peel those 1.-THE op ooston) benches,
and lord John Russell on these think though many
mistakes and errors committed both Sides that
on he whole tho O hn VIVA