The daily union., 1856-12-17
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question OF POLITICAL power Il
The honorable senator from Texas win not undertake
again think assert that when slaves are transported
from amy State into Territory and that Territory pc
comes State with slave institutions the poltcapower
OF slavery is not thereby increased The object avowsd
by the section 10 which the honorable senator belongs
the object ayowed by the senator from South Carolina
think upon this floor certainly elsewhere Is TO enable the
slave States 10 procure either an equality or majority 10
number Of hsre in order that they may be able TO
control legislation in regard to that institution, as well as
in regard 70 other particulars.
Mr.. BUTLER do not pat il In that way. do not
think the question whether section the other should
have the ascendency entered into the conception Of
those who made TIE constitution. will inform the sena
cor that hsss maintained that should contend
for an esendency 10 the slave States with view TO con-
me a sss most ou0Se Ds @
both would be to have an equilibrium. t3y
Mr. RUSK. The senator from Maine will find that !
have not contended for any such thing in regard to my
State She is entitled to have three additional States
formed within her limits but we have not asked to bring
them in
Mr.. TEssENDEN. In due course of time expect to
see them apply for admission.
Mr.. RUSK. VIII you vote for their admissonf
Mr. FESSENDEN. That depends on circumstances.
Mr.. RUSK. supposed 80. ...... :.
Mr. FESSENDEN. If be here when the time comes
Isha vote probably way the other on that sub
Mr. RUsK No doubt Of it.
Mr.. FESSENDEN. You say our desire is TO claim the
control OF the government by of greater popula
You say that this increase will continue Probably co. if
you give US to expand buff you shut up within
the comparatively limited territory now have and you
appropriate all the Territories of the United States as
think you would be glad to do for the purpose of making
slave States do not know where in the process of time
We may be- for it is observable that people of the North
who go into slave States very apt to become
mored with the institution those born and bred there
Mr.. BUTLER And like negroes just we'll
Mr. FEssENDEN | dare say and perhaps little
Very likely they make masters, gem
eral rule Than those born and bred in the
munit with the slaves 1t would be reasonable to sup
pose so. .M....
Mr.. BUTLER. I win here pay just tribute to one
northern man He s believe one Of the best planters
lever knew and he is the sriotest governor. think it
is mercy to govern well and strictly Those who take
property by hereditary rightchdren who take it from
their very ndugen to their slaves and gen.
Mr. FESSENDEN am very glad to receive informa-
tion that subject as am any subject from the
ator from South Carolina or any body else. But after
all the question simply this the senator from Texas
does not deny, and one, think, will deny that the
great object OF this struggle the part of the South is to
obtain an equality or keep an equality of political power
in this body. -. -
Mr. RUSK. l do not contend for any such ground.
The ground OF my contention is ths that the Terrific
RES De COMMON property OF the United States the people
OF each o. The States havea right unembarased go with
tner property and when you see proper here in Congress-
wnout any express authority of the constitution to
that owing to the moral condition of the southern States
We cannot emgrate there with property, regard
that attempt to asen the section which repre-
sent and those who are to come after odious dis
ncon which the senator is much mistaken if he supposes
Mr.. FESSENDEN. | do not suppose ANYTHING about It
Whether the senator and his friends submit to it or not
would not make particle of difference my action AS
SAID before or that position the republican party has
planted itseInamey, that 1t will oppose to the end-I
may say to the bitter end if bitter il be-the ex-
non OF slavery over free territory That is their doc
Mr.. RUSK The senator will put it in proper FORM
do not like these phrases to catch popular opinion We
the South have planted ourselves equal rights
Der the constitution Our numbers or weakness does
not make the slightest difference So far am concern
ed shall live under and support this government long
as II maintains my equal rights. The constitution main
ns my equal rights in the State where live and in the
Territories Of the United States When majority in as
beieve) disregard of the obligations of constitution
shn deny me my constitutional rights against that of
usurpaton am prepared TO stand up and resist and
will not stop to inquire what the consequences may be-
Mr. FESSENDEN. The honorable senator from Texas is
brave and determined man. and have no idea that
he says anything which be does not and would
carry ont AT the same time he will permit to say,
without regard to what the South may do what nd
yduals may do express their design do In
OF certain event. If regard, and long do re-
gard that matter to be essential and TO our rights
under the constitution Of the United States SHALL with
equal pertnacty follow it out until there TO be any
hope TO accomplish the object
Mr.. RUSk. You have the numbers
Mr.. BROWN II the senator from Maine will allow me
will ask him a question.
u. FEssENDEN, think am exceedingly liberal to-
Mr.. BROWN, I understand the senator to take the
ground that the republican party Of the North mean TO o-
pose and to oppose TO the bitter end the extension of
slavery 70 any Of the Territories of the United States
Mr. FESSENDEN. Any free Territory | said
Mr.. BROWN. / ask the senator this Suppose the
people OF Kansas uninfuenced by the action Of the gov
ernment by any interference the part Of the southern
people left perfectly free TO and elect for themselves
shall choose TO introduce slavery and ask for admission
into the Uaion as slave State, win he oppose their ad
mission =
Mr.. FESsENDEN. viii meet that question when II
comes have noticed the particular mode which sena-
tors have here nd II is very acute when gentlemen are
,oowng particular line OF argument to interrupt them
oy asking what they would do in supposable case-I
Presume with the object Of producing embarrassment
Mr.. BROWN. Not at all
Mr.. FESSENDEN. Now, whatever the object may be
beg leave TO say to the senator from Mississippi and all
Others that am not TO be caught in any such way will
answer any question in reference my line of argument
but whenever hey attempt get out Of that line by
asking what viii do in any supposed contingency nv
only answer "a that win let you know how vote when
the contingency arises.
M BAYARD. wish to understand on what ground he
claims that IL Is interference with the rights the peo-
pie OF the non-sayeholdng States for Congress abstain
from the exercise OF any In reference TO the
territory OF the Union either prohibiting authorizing
slavery there In what respect does Il violate the rights
Of any citizen OF any non-sayeholdng State for Com
gress TO exercise power either for the purpose of prohb
ion or for the purpose Of authorization Of savery2 On
the other side suppose the prohibition inrnRes the
rights of citizens of the United States go with any spe-
cic OF property into territory which belongs the people
OF the whole Union II is violation Of the rights Of the
citizens of those States who happen to hold that particular
description OF property. do not where the violation
Is the other side
Mr. FESSBNDEN. II I thought that prohibition by
Congress Of the extension Of slavery the Territories
interfering with the constitutional right Of any
in any section Of the Unon certainly should not be
advocate for that interference The question: however
has been argued over and oTer again upon this floor
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