The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-10-07

record saying that il was within the legitimate pro-
vince and Of conscience reason and private Judg
nent to reject all such passages as spurious or not
emanstiDg from God, the same being in express con-
adiction OF his attributes Of Justice holiness and be-
nevolence In this connection, Mr.. Parker instanced
many cases in the Scriptures where God Is repre-
sented as having authorized or commanded crleltes
baIbarites and crimes, at which humanity shuddered
and revolted, all which he rejected on the same
principle that ne did all Scriptura testimony and
authority in favor Of slavery. My reply was that
there were many things in the Old Testament, which
perhaps did not fully or clearly understand but
which resolved in and by the sovereignty OF God,
and that finite should not impiously judge the In
finite. He then re-asserted that God was expressly
represented in the Old Testament as sanctOning i'm
morality and crime; to which ! responded that
were convinced of that, (Which was n0t) should
reject the whole Bible, and not do they did, just
select what parts pleased to believe, and what to
reject. In other words, they both held themselves
at liberty, in the exercise of the right of private
judgment, to reject all Biblical teachings, as apocry-
pha unreasonable which did not square with their
own fanatical and sefrighteous doctrines and views
Finding such to be their position, | refused when
the subject was required to by Mr.. Garrison, TO
argue the scriptural awfulness of slavery any far
ther with persons who rejected the authority Of the
Bible.
Mr. Garrison was occasionally harsh and severe
will not say ruds-in his manner and his marks;
but was told ne was more than usually temperate
in his discussion with me. He expressly charged
me- Disappearing the South suppose with fraud
and robbery, both of the slave and HIMSELF las repre-
senting the North l suppose,) in compelling him.
through our abOminable and Improbable system OF
slave labor, to pay much higher price for Southern
staples, than they could be produced and obtained
for, under system of free labor, which 1t was our
duty to substitute for present unrighteOus, OPP
pressive and fraudulent system, contrary alike TO
humanity and the eternal principles Of justice.
/ retorted by charging insincerity and by
pocrisy on him and his associates, in the abolition
Misunderstanding them that they were, in fact,
the supporters and encouragers Of domestic slavery
in the south by their consumption Of Southern sta
pies and products-that, were they in earnest, they
would cease to consume our cotton, rice and sugar;
ard we're they to give this decisive manifestation OF
their sincerity, slavery In the Southern States would
die Q natural death in very short time. This ar
gument Mr.. Parker attempted most sophistically to
answer, as fOllOws:-"I am ne more responsible for
or supporter of Southern slavery, by my purchase
and consumption Of Southern cotton, rice and
sugar, than am responsible for and supporter OF
Russian serfdom and oppression, by my purchase
and consumption of Russian hemp. My reply to
this was that the cases were not analogous-that
Russian serfdom and oppression depended not on
the culture consumption Of hemp for its existence
or coptinuance-that, were hemp notlconsumed at
ALL or blotted from the list OF agricultural products
this would not abate or influence Russian oppression,
or serfdom, jot or TITLE especially among apeo
pie, who, like the Russians, were in love with OPP
preston and Rugged their chains, and held loyalty
to their imperial oppressor to be part OF their
religiOn-adding that, as for serfdOm, it had been
greatly modified and was fast disappearing from
Russia, in spite Of the hemp culture. Between
Southern staples and Southern slavery on the other
hand, there was an intimate connexion and de-
pendence, and neither could exist without the
other.
/ then carried the war into the enemys conn
try-aye, even to the very gates Of Carthage
by exposing the insiEcerity and hypocrisy of the
abolitionists in practically denying, while the0re
cslly and pretensvely yielding, equal political and
social rights to the black and coored race; and in
sisted that consistency bound them to send black
and coored legislators TO Congress and their State
Legislatures, TO cothe them with the ermine of JUS
tice and TO place in their hands the executive baton
and other political Offices and distinctions; and fur
theTmore, TO permit them 10 lead their daughters
and sisters, as partners down both the dance Of the
ballroom and the dance o. life. Turning then point
eddy TO the female portion of my auditory sid:
Ladies, are any of you prepared 70 receive
black or colored persons, as your partners in
natrimony and Tor lifetn To this Mr.. Garrison
tartly reoinec that such marriages would bear a IA
vorabe comparison with the Illicit connexions
formed in the South between the two races; and
responded: "Sir, decline to discuss that question
with you in this presence Mr.. Parker then said:
81 suppose none of the ladies present they at
liberty, would be willing TO accept black colored
husbands but neither would any Of them accept, for
a husband, a man OF eighty years" i replied that
Tor obvious reasons, there was no analogy in the
cases.
/ fully explained to Mr. Garrison and Mr..
Parker, and TO my auditory generally, the
meliorations that Southern slavery and Southern
slavery legislation had undergone since colonial
days-adverting particularly 10 the substitution and
actual enforcement Of the deathpenalty for murder
ing slave, in place of the pecuniary muct under
colonial legislation, for the same offence the cheer
ing progress o missionary effort and Christianity
among Southern slaves, and the improved humanity
OF their treatment, together with the kindly and af.
fectonaie relations that obtain between the South
ern master ard his slaves. On these heads gene
Morally, found Sr. Parker disposed to be liberal,
but Mr.. Garrison while avowing his entire sympathy
wit and li-e
or exaggerated tales Of fugitive slaves, was exceed
ingy hard OF belief, and sceptca as 70 the truth Of
my statements not on the score Of my yeraciy, but
on the ground that | was an interested witness,
whose testimony ought to be rejected, seemingly in
total orgetulness that his ebony pets were liable 70
be turned oct of court precisely the same excep
ton. brought attention To the fact that Southern
ers made much kinder masters than Northern men
or foreigners who had been accustomed % free Ia
Dor and It's terribly exacting requistons; and ex
planned this on the double principle that the North.
erner or foreigner wanted the sentiment OF heredl.
tary or customary attachment 70 the slave, which
distinguished The native born sou.nerner, and was
impatient Of the small amount Of labor to be obain
ed from the slave, in comparison with that which
they were wont 10 wiring from the hands and the
sweat OF the free laborer. also casually mentioned.
as pertinent to the discussion, that the sen
tments OF imported Northerners were often mis-.
takenly seized upon. by Northern writers and speak
ers, a. an index OF southern feeling and opinions
For instance, Mrs. Stowe, in copying into her Key
10 tEcle LON taDln, from ine tniTlesbOn u. VI
Cturiar, my report of the trial Of lady Of wealth
and highly respectable family for the alleged muir
der OF her slave, (Which resulted in her acqutta)
had disregarded the allimportant fact that we had
expupeed from our statute book in South Carolina,
the colonial mulct for slave.murder, and substituted
for il the deathpenaty, (Which was ACTUALLY en-
fo,ced in the winter or spring Of 1853 on two white
men, at Marlborough, near Caarleston, for killing
with wsnton cruelty and shocking barbarity, =
poor runaway slave, whom they 80 dishgured and
mangied that he could no. be identified, and both
his name and that 81 his owner we're and still are
and cites the speech Of the late Col
BENJAMIN Faneuil Hunt, Zone Of the greatest jury
lawyers in his day and generatiOn) in defence OF the
prisoner condemning tue new and extolling the old
law, as a proof of south Carolina sentiment. Now,
Col. Hunt was a Northern man, born in Massachu.
sets, bore the honored name Of Faneuil, one of
his ancestors, and was nearly an adult when he
settled in Charleston, rs a student Of law. The die
Petigru, native Of South Carolina,
yet In his pre-eniDence at the Charleston bar, the
colleague ard associate OF Col. Hunt, in their sue
cessfu defence OF the prisoner would have scorned
70 utter the sentiment cor take the position (only
assumed, ] really belieye,) of his
Northern colleague, on that occasion. 30, too,