The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-07-12

ssion upon the subject We now In possession OF
papers TO which have referred, and Il would CERTAIN
be convenient to the House that definite date should
liked without delay, but, as any day could name
ust necessarily be uncertain hope the noble lord win
II think importunate or unreasonable when ask
Y m 70 name some day next week. vnaer inc clrcun
the same terms the one have placed on the paper.
h ord PA1nHRsroNI hope the honorable gentleman will
n thank II Is from any want OF courtesy TO him That
obliged 70 say cannot accedo 10 his request Hear,
tar) am OF opinion that in the present state OF our
aiions with the United States, Is not desirable; It
oud not be conducive to that settlement which, am
IRE II s the interest Of both countries TO bring about
bear hear)thnt the matters now pending between the
10 countries should be made the subject OF discussion
this house. (Cres Of clear, hear from the oppos
I'm benches) This opinion Is, think shared by some
hnorable gentlemen who do not agree In general policy
18th her Majesty's gevefnment-(hear hear, and am
arefore the more confirmed in thinking IT right one
at being the case am sure the honorable gentleman
II excuse for saying that l am unwilling, on the
IT OF her Maestys government, to as sumo any respon
pilty, direct indirect in regard TO discussion upon
question must therefore decline to fix any day for
discussion by doing should, at all events indi
cy give my consent on the part OF the government to
10 discussion taking place. (tiear2 or course is
en- 10 the honorable gentleman to make what arrange
tents he pleases He must determine whether, under
circumstances il is consistent with his public duty to
ling on bis motion, and If he should determine upon
ling the forms Of the House afford him the
leans Of bringing forward that they afford every other
/ iivate member (Hear, hear.)
Later in the evening, Mr.. G. H. MOORE said Il
ssary for him inform the House that he was not sa
fed with the answer which he had received a fe W
sinct from the noble lord with regard to the
ions between this country and America When he
Elected that the noble lord had already granted day
the discussion of that question before the papers bear
upon were completed and when he rocoliected also
at the Home Secretary thought proper to taunt the
ht honor able member for Drotwich with anticipating
coming discussion by premature expire ssion Of opn
he (hr hoore) must say the ans Ker Of the noble
| ID was as unexpected as il was unsatisfactory He
ought right to state why he conceived that that an
would deem il his duty to persevere in bringing for
hrd the motion OF which he bad given notice, II he had
opportunity Of dong so. When the noble lord stated
n the whole Of the papers relating to the dispute be-
cen her Miesty government aud the government of
United States had not been laid upon the table he
AZ. Moore) at acceded to the suggestion, that
til the papers had been laid before the
'use in complete form. lie did not think,
ich the noble lord referred could by any possibility
or modify in any essential part cuar the nature OF
question which the House would ultimately have to
ade, and he must say that opinion had not been
anged by the production OF the paper he had had the
stortune TO read day. They told by the noble
that IL would be unwise to S tir the ques-
and that might be injurious to the public service
connekioa with the pending negotiations If that House
re 70 give expression to Its opinions upon subject
posed to be connected with the matter to which those
yotiatons referred They had heard TOO much of Par
nentary disc asson beng injurious to the public SER
had in NC deS into war;
bout knowing ii, and in the worst state Of prepa-
ion. He did not believe that discussion would DO in
ous now He thought, on the contrary, that, what
" hao been done well during toe lats war had been
se under the pressure Of public opinion in that
men; had been worked ont ' in The e boles and
ners Of official intrigue. He bound to say ex-
lilly, that he saw nothing in the conduct OF the ne
ations which ought 10 induce the House pause In
tnorncing opinion and that 1t would be unwise
injurious not only 70 the public service. but to the
rdt aud honor OF the country, TO leave the manage
MT OF this question to the undrccted discretion OF the
ternmeEt. But there was a more important question
An this involved What was the state Of public opin-
at the present moment? Why, there we're tens
hundreds Dr
Ne, but men of sound understanding, and with q
tnt minded sense o. justice, who hal a'strong con-
2nged IA the late transactions, and who thought that
nough there was no cause for present hosttes, yet
}onsy Of outrage upon our honor hereafter. (Hear
Mr. Public opinion had been drifting. in fact, into
VI which might -be the prelude 70 war, since feeling
Rational humiliation, and sense X national exaspera-
might hereafter lead 10 hostili,cs (car, hear) Was
Use and Jest, therefore, in the House Of Commons
} ena1 sieft, and TO leave the public to sit down
bite Their thumbs in ignomnious silenceS Was
N their duty, the contrary, to prevent such feel
: from growing and fostering in the minds Of the
spae OF England and II not the duty Of the House
fommons a. the guardians Of the national honor aud
representatives of public opinion, TO pronounce a
,dict upon this question which should be worthy OF
reputation for justice fair dealing and good faith
f,ng other countries. Such would tend moro
Tin respect than all the crafty circumlocuton OF all
protocols In the world II the United States govern
AZ had been deceived, irrilated and offended,
lorabe member on that 1.-THE opposit,n) side OF the
se had asserted, was i no. the duty Of that House
only to the government but to their fellow subjects
ass It's censure UPON those by whom the Interests Of
1.-Two countries bad been pcrledS II, on the other
u, representative In the United States had done
ebng bot what he had right To do by the American
n, and what he was bound to do by the interests OF
Ipublc sery ice at hon IL the duty Of that House
kstan and defend him faithful subject OF the
ea and all the because he had been unjustly at
led. What would the House do with Mr. Champion,
d Iord Clarendon, with Tho government itselfS
Mr.. Cranpton had behaved properly throughout
te transactions be deserved the thanks OF the
ptry, the failing arms OF which he had endea-
I'D 10 recruit and OF the sovereign In whose service
pad suffered SO much obloquy. But Il, ON The other
ID, Mr. Champion had been engaged tn a secret cou-
cy TO violate the laws OF the country TO which he
edted, then 10 defer d, sustain and reward such
gross injustice to the interests Of this country.
there was another which It was impossible 20
ncsle with national honor. To say that . Minister
done his duty to his Queen and country, and 10 re
Re with open arms the Minister OF that Power which
treated him with oboquy and indigniy, was course
plated neither TO OBTAIN the present respect Of the
lie OF that country, its future forbcerance was
&n relations and would be regarded by the people OF
Rrica as tho act OF a Minister who had neither the
10 atone Tor an offence, the spirit " resent an
Unity. II would not do 10 say that Dir. Champion had
dismissed because he had not been acceptable 10 the
Of the people OF America. lie had not been dismiss
pom any such grounds or from any fastifous fancy
sprice. he grsvest allegations were brought against
Crampton's Character and conduct, and concerned
lonor Of the country that inquiry should be made INTO
ruth Of those aegsti ons and that the House or Com
should pronounce such verdict would prove 10
,cope Of America and the nations Of the world that
lever blenders our dplomaitsis or Cabinets might
the people OF this country we're not responsible for
The House OF Commons was, no ihovght, bound a.
ounce opinion upon this question, and most unques
by, n the forms OF the House allowed, he would
the questoa OF enlistment before the House.
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