The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-07-18

which do not deserve consideration (Cheers) The
United States government from those steps which was
their duty to take they thought that the agents Of
foreign nations were violating the laws of the Union
at very early period found that these proceedings were
likely 70 produce embarrassment between the two coun
Of their accordthese arrangements An honorable
gentleman has criticised the dates and has stated that
these instructions were not acted upon until August
surely, however, question Of weeks days inmate
rial in matter Of this sor(a laugh)-the fact being
that the British government when II learned that
these proceedings were likely TO be embarrassing OF its
own accord, directed that they should be suspended
(Hear hear.) Then, gentlemen say, there was no
al@ogy made, Wny what more full apology, what more
complete reparaton could one government make TO ano
Their when they found that certain proceedings Of theirs
might furnish grounds Of complaint than putting an end
verbal apologies. say the apology Of deeds in
fnitely more valuabenhntey more satisfactory to the
the British government that nothing should occur
errupt the friendly relations between the two countre
than any verbal apology that could have been offered
(Cheers) say, then sir there Is no question abou
conccament there is question about deception Their
no question about our not having made reparaton TO
the offence, IL any offence had been committed (Hear
hear.) But, it is declared we ought to have acknow
lodged that we did wrong Why we did not believe
had done wrong did OF believe we had deliberately
violated the laws OF the Union we neither intended this
nor do we believe in understanding of those laws
that they have been violated by any authorized British
agent. CLEAR, hear We, however, received com
plants from the United States government and intma
tons that our agents ought 70 be withdrawn. In reply
u
We thought and hoped 10 she satisfaction of the United
States government that their impression erroneous
and that nothing had been done which justified the dis
Satisfaction they had ex pressed In to that the
United States government said they were satisfied with
regard TO the conduct Of her Maesys government that all
questions between the two government had ceased and
were settled but that nevertheless they still retained
their opinion in respect TO the British agents. and that
they therefore deemed those agents unacceptable
OF communication between the two countries What
then, was the course which had TO pursued We had
to determine whether in such state Of things we could
me n atiafa Mr. hal tla
adopted with regard to Mr. Cram pton with
draw the exequaurs from the American Consus in Eng
land in return for the withdrawal of their exequaturs from
the English Consuls In the States. Sir the government
did not deem it their duty to advise her Majesty to take
those steps hear hear) and Notwithstanding what has
been said in debate am stil Of opinion that that de-
cson has met and will continue meet the approval
and concurrence Of the country. (Cheers) Sir, it is
indeed a most curious circumstance to watch the
debate. Both sides vehement in their declara-
ton of the vast importance Of maintaining peace
between the two countries. All abound in their
that that wish IL at the bottom of their hearts
is the anxious object of their lives And yet here
happening be case In which question has be
tween two countries which, far the governments
are concerned has been terminated in manner deemed
satisfactory to both gentlemen the other side of the
House loud In their denuncatons that England has
been insued CHEERS and counter cheers) The inter
course Of nations takes place between governments and
insult to the government insult TO the country.
These gentlemen them anxious Tor peace tell you that
tempt and ndignity What the effect likely To be pro-
du;edf Why 10 excite in the people OF England spirit
Of resentment towards their neghbors and kindred in the
United States ministerial cheers.l Anybody who Is
acquainted with thu Character Of Engshmen must know
mat you tell them they have been nsulted, treated
with contempt exposed 10 indgpty, the bulk Of the
ton, without, perhaps very much investigating the
foundation OF such assertions will take the upon trust
especially when they come from sa,h high authority.
They will say 'Jf the leaders OF great partythe
try party-hold that language we must indeed have been
grossly nsulted and let resent the insult offered to
us.n Then say that, far honorable gentlemen OPP
poste CO. they lay the foundation for enmity between the
two countries sniste rial cheers) After that comes
Of Oxford, and he tells the Americans that their govern
ent has been deuded has been persuaded accept
wren hey 1aen, no, maye & ,n
meDt OF foreign country; ana that far from meeting
that injury in the manner which becomes the govern
mept of great and independent nation, their govern
ment have accepted apology and expressed themselves
satisfied when on the contrary, they ought to have de
clareo themselves aronted and injured CHEERS Why
sir, is that the way to good feeling between the
two countriesf cloud cheers) Ii that the way TO per
suade the American people to cultivate the most friendly
feelings towards this country (Hcar, hear.) Many
gentlemen told the honorable member for Mayo that his
motion was calculated TO njurc the public service, aad
Well did they foresee, In endcavoring TO dis
suade him from proceeding with his motion
S both sIdes Of the House topics have been star,
ed arguments have been employed, which, instead OF
leading the closer union Of the two nations instead Of
oacnr mutual aimosity calculated 10 excite angry
passions to ens the feelings OF the two countries IN the
difereccs which have unhappy arisen, TO ember their
intcrco, and reader II more difficult to bring about
more able understanding on the points at issue.
Hear hear) viii not at this late hour, delan the
House with many more observations 1t Is quite unne-
cessary 10 do The House Is called upon TO de-
termns whether there shall be passed upon the govern
ment vote Of censure. The Hon. member for Mayo
began his speech by deprecating all clubbing evasons,
he chilled tall words whchmight be distorted into
something beyond what they really expressed. Sir
think he might have criticised his own motion. (Hear,
and laugher) think II would have been much more
manly and straightforward his part IT, instead OF
cor tenting himself with a sort OF evasive decla
ration that the government not entitled to the
appreciation Of the House. he had at forward
and expressed the feeling which was no doubt up
rermost in his mnd-that the government has made
Itself deserving Of the OF the House. (Cheers
II would have been much more manly 70 come forward
with regular vote OF censure than TO disguise disappro
baton under the pretcnce OF refusing appreciation, which
has not been asked for cloud checrs,) ! accept the
vote Of the right honorable gentleman the member for
tho University and should BIO sorry indeed II anything
have sad should induce him alter his determination
Cheers and lauRhter.) know must not look gin
horse In the mouh-(oud laughter)-but Icertainly do
not think that the reason he has given for his vote will
convince many gentlemen who have not already made
their minds upon the question. His reason Is that II Is
impossible al the present moment TO form admnistra
founded successful OF the existing GO
vernment;a reason certainly highly complimentary TO
me me, hoa,e nush) bus ,, nink , many gentlemen
over, that could very well be solved by half hours
private conversation between the right honorable gentle
men who SIT there (ir J. Graham and Mr.. Gadstone),
and the right honorable and honorable gentlemen oppo
size "a augh.) would not therefore. accept from the
Wa stand upon what we think better and higher ground
(Icar.) We are Of OPINION although may be presump
tous 10 state H. that we have during difficult period
conducted the affairs Of the country 10 the satisfaction OF
the nation and with honor and advantage 10 the public
interest (cheers) believe that the confidence which
ts House has hitherto shown US, IL shared by the
Try az large. II is upon that ground that prepar
ed TO go to division. We ask for continuation Of the
confidence Of the House not upon the ground that there
may be difficulty In finding other persons 10 OIL our
places but because think have done nothing 10 for
81, their good opinion Cheers Trusting TO these con
sdcratons, trusting the good opinion which the House
has hitherto expressed towards US, trusting TO the good
VII which we believe Is felt tor US by the country, and
not 20 the argument OF my right hon friend that other
government can be formed, We challenge the hon. mem
her from Mayo to 70 division (checrs), and
feel confident that the result will be such think
conGact deserves. cloud and continued chcorng)
Mr. JONI MGRrGoR amid loud cries for division ex
pressed his most OF the opinions Of the
gentleman opposite (Mr. Gadstone), and blamed the con-
duct Of the In the transactions under the
consideration Of the House.
Mr.. BrNTIScK moved the adjournment Of the debate
Cries OF "Ohi" from the ministerial bcnches) Hc
thought he was perfectly justified In taking that course
from with not TO offer any remarks of his although
he had frequently risen without beng able 70 catch the