The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-08-08

could overcome the objections Of that veto am 10 pre-
sumo that the honorable Senator from the State OF New
York, who has charge Of bs mas reported them
under the Instructions OF that commtee In
TO this second resolution of the Cincinnati PLATFORM and
thai he Ia prepared to abide by would SEEM there
FORE that the present exposition of this resolution G that
the end to be attained Of carrying system Of
Internal which was intended to be attained
by an omnibus BILL provided Is done by separate bills
Now, TO the mode Of doing IT, told Oy
the honorable Senator from Michigan thai there es
mates for these orks To be they made six
ago but II s the custom OF the Senate
informed by him, TO adopt estimates made even more
than SIX years ago What want 70 know Is how these
estimates were obtsined want TO what system OF
internal mprovemt Is tina, Is to be sanctioned under
this resolution Of the CINCINNATI Convention We told
by the honorable Senator that they obtained this
way-a member from the State OF Michigan In tbs House
OF Representatives Senator from tina State, oilers
ns ,hs Which a. mater o. course arsc.
OF the cost OF building harbor at the mouth Of Grand
river. Where Grand river Is or whether harbor
be built there at all or whether when tt is built II Wild
be Of any value theountry matters embraced
IN the uon but the resolution only wants TO know
hat Is the cost OF doing Upon resolution Of thai
GERS has reported that the total estimate the Grand
river sl62 l2s Now ask the Secretary to inform
the amount contained in this bills
The sKcKEIARy-tifty thousand dollars.
Mr.. MAsoS-1hen we had )ort from the Topogra.
estimate for Grand River was slo2 o0o and here ak
afterwards when abor materials and every hing
which GO toward building this barber have increased
tainly thirty not nifty per Cent bill is Oft red requir
that the work shall be done for less than third OF
the estimated cost wish TO know from the honorable
Senator whether this is system OF internal improve
that sanctioned under the second resolution of
the Convention at CncinnatK II is, want my people
to know what the practical construction put on this re
solution and how the public Is TO be expended TO
which they largely contribute constituting very I'M
portant portion of the producing interest of the country
may be uniformed may be ignorant on this subject;
but ii there could be devised wastefu utterly ire
sponsble, and a totally barren system OF internal i'm
provemens greater than this IS am at loss 70 conjec
ture how could be done You require Of the Sc
cretary OF War TO expend $50 600 work which MS Off
GERS told you six years ago would require sl60o0o 70
make, under this exposition OF the system Of improve
ments which is sanctioned by the party of which am
a very unworthy member. cannot conceive one more
Irresponsible more teful more 5auching Of the
public morals, than this system Of improvements which,
told, take II for granted is the system that 10
be adopted under the sanction OF the Cincinnati Conven
ton and its predecessor at Baltimore four years ago.
say il is utterly oebauchiDg Why Because IL Is hold
ing the temptation every section Of the country
bring in here resolutions Of inquiry " the cost OF build
ing ructures along the lakes in rivers in their
Plantations and II they can get an estimate, without
knowing what the value OF the work will be when It Is
done, or whether can be DONE and whether the next
roll OF the will wash away the money Is TO
be expended. l benefit to be derived to any
body IRON it, but the iobbers and contractors who
10 enjoy this money in the localities where Is TO be
pended
Mr. HrSnR-I ask whether there has been any survey
in this understand that OF these estimates
are not on the basis OF q survey.
Mr. CAss-I have the survey here
Mr. HUSTER-l have some reason TO think that the blu
which passed day for the harbor Of Mar.
quette estimate without a survey
Mr CAsS-That DO not know; but in this case hold
the survey in my hand, and have before estimate
OF the War department in 1858 asking for 5000
Mr.. ToosBsl Is very important for the country TO
dersiand what gentlemen mean bx these estimates. We
have such thing estimate presented here, in the
proper legislative meaning OF the term The Senator
from Virginia Mr. Mason has stated what the real
i. When some member here wants 10 get an estimate
from the department he presents resolution, which Is
passed and sent to the Department to know what this
harbor be cleaned out for and then Of the topo
graphical engineers Is sent 10 the sroi and be makes
lACua 90 lar our COnultee Is concerned, IL
appears clearly that they have gone through the
old estimates OF former years. In this instance
one Is presented, dated six years ago and the Sc
naior from Michigan has stated that cases
they went back twenty years. What was necessary
cumsances may have greatly changed tn the time
The Illinois (Mr pougas) told the ohsr
away and the expenditure Of former appropriations has
been entirely useless. different sort Of improvement
may be now required II you went back and hunted up
the records doubt you would ind estimate for
the ape Fear river and that would be enough under
this system OF the Committee Commerce TO get ap
preparation Tor H. You spent $3.50 0"V this river and
no doubt there were estimates 500 bat the
real need appeared from an actual examination,
TO take all your work say that here We
estimates IN the proper sense Of the term based
upon the authority Of any Department Of this Govern
meni We do know ID any Of these i'm improvements
Ct 10 be done necessary to be done IN order
70 isclltaie commerce-ths vile, boundiess, and IN
gDiied ground taken by the senator IRON Michigan.
Mr.. Towns concluded ihus-sir, have shown Mr.
Madison ing Of the phrase regulate commerce."
which the Senator from Michigan brought against me
he influence Of his great name. a. giving restrictive
meaning 10 the clause. The sin II any Is Madison;
the SIN Il Jefferson the sin Monroe the
Jackson the sin Tyler. This system may have met
spprovsl from the foxes who sometimes crawl into
power In this country; but give you the views Of the
who have been accepted BY the republicans OF the
United States patriots and good statesmen. who have
= na,o, from Michigan which be canno, ans wer for in
wolves him 10 poron from which no man Ia tbs senate
can escape The power 70 regulate commerce !. an ex
alone 10 the general government II. under this clause
you have the power 10 facilitate commerce the States
The static may lay duties upon imports and ex'
ports. This clause has been constantly dedaed
N the Supreme Court, in regard TO laying duties
upon imports, 10 be exclusive ] say the whole
power Is either exclusive concurrent belongs
either 10 the general government 70 the Satee. Let
gentlemen take either horn Of the dilemma Undcr
the power be lodged either In the United
states government or In the State government or 10
both The power being absolute the grant TO the gene
ra being excluaye does not belong TO the
states and complete ssT1ttnr, which no logican
AVOID that. II this be exclusive In the gene
government according 10 the doctrine Of the senator
from Michigan the states cannot improve their own
fivers and be concurrent power the States can lay
duties mporis Il strikes me that no logical mind Gao
resist the conclusion. The dncuy on this subject has
been great There has been great sfter this power
n you back 1917, ycu nnd they then hunting
Tor 4 all over the constitution. II Is vagrant AZ
fair Il was searched ior under the poet ofaccs and
poet roads clause under the military aud naval
rover under ,6e power 70 regulate commerce IN.
clause. There IL scarcely . single clause 10 which
somebody has 20, attempted 10 lodge ~ II has been
beaten aud ba;;led and kicked sbou, but ts mortality
The nvGs spark which prevents i from dyings the
cursed thirst for gold. That prevents beng crushcd
out forever. Crush under one principle and Il comes
up under another. Mr.. Jefferson told you that you
wanted the power ron should 20 10 the people and
get 4, ami they did not give u, ought 20
exercise 10 Mr. Madison stood % against his party
IN opposition 70 a. when they sought 70 funds
the Ured states Bank for this purpose The fathers
told that you bal power 10 appropriate money for
these purposes Now for the fret time seventy years
81 the history Of this government you ind yours elves
able 10 ride over . man bold enough, true enough.
honest enough 10 maintain bis principles ard throw him
self between you and the constitution OF the country.
Now you have power W plumber the treasury, In spite
u his great constitutional shield. You had better
your chances advise you 10 the opportunity.
Yoa have q chance now 70 rob the treasury. You
had better make good OF A. because one
a two things u certain either this abuse mur, De
arrested by the psore through the legislative halls
or viii be arrested ~ the people against
the voice o. the legislative halls. For the one remedy
or the other stand rich always 70 be the advocate
wi Try 10 do through the legislative balls when can;
but when that fak willing 10 defend the ockets Of
the people W the good right arm Of the people.
Mr. BrrER-Suppo~e they make the experiment this
year and come near completing the work, and they
wart 800 600 nexs pear what 70 restrain gentlemen
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