The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-07-30

on the 9th March the Sandman Minister had placed In
the hands OF the French and English governments the
communication which had been published contto,pg the
charges against the Austrian government At the confer
Fences. Lord Clarendon said that on principle not
right r. mt riefe betw cen state and su iecs t
tn r. exceptional cases in which il was ia-tdaoe
He asked lord Clarendon would have maize such state
mert he had not received instructions Indicating more
decided policy than what had been stated by the prm.
Minister that evening The noble lord (Plmerston)
had SAID that The state OF affairs at Naples dan
gerous, as II might result in the armed
Austria which would probably lead 10 the most serious
calamities 10 Europe but he also stated that though
England and France had succeeded in Their rem m.
strances with Naples, he did despair that another
Power would succeed BY it, friendly interference He
r nisrae understood that AUSTRIA was the Power re-
erred TO- and he concluded that the noble lord in
consists ut in stating that there fear Austrian
yasion. at the same time that holding hopes
ference OF Austria. (ear, hear) The noble lord must
also have felt the OF asserting that with the
Of our great ally we should be enabled to get
rid OF The occupation OF Italy by foreign troops when that
great ally was occupying the very capital OF Italy ITSELF
What, he asked. was the use Of the noble lord
thus rousine the passions Of the people OF Italy
unless he was prepared interfere electuay, ana
unless he bad also the feeling the House and the coun
try with hms II might be wen so far as the poetry OF
politics were concerned TO discuss the natter but
they prepared to farther than the discussion
TO commit the country TO line of policy which might b.
attended with the most serious coDsequenccsa Their
were twoways of dealing with the question They nigh
so TO war th Austria, and send fleet Naples tn
Adriatc. They could also send ships and convey tn
troops their ally any part OF Italy and after enga
gng in war perhaps as long and devastating the Pu
Dc war they might In the course of generation change
the whole constitution Of Italy II such their plan
he called on the Minister'S to state IL TO Parliament and
appeal TO the opinion Of the public. There wa an
other mode BY which they might attain their object
In ls4s his (ir. Dsraeli's) part to lay before
Parliament the affairs Of Italy. He remembered well
what the government Of that day had done, aud
believed their conduct had been dangerous the in
teres OF Italy that he viewed with pain and fear
tempt at pursuing similar course by sending missions
m ght be accomplished by rousng the passions OF the
Italian people. They need not declare war; but they
might set Italy IN flames, and produce consequences
which all would deplore. Turning aside however from
this topic he would first ask VIVA. the state Of Ma
pes The government ought he thought, 70 state what
the condition of Naples was But, assuming all thee
tales OF ruthless Imprisonment to be true, he believed
that II caused by the panic fear of the sovereign
Of small state subject TO perpetual instructions
statements had been made years before with refer
TO the Austrian patriots imprisoned in Austrian
dungeons but had they Dterfered IN favor OF them Had
they ali heard Of the bani shments to Siberia but
had they declared with Russia on that account
They had not ventured 70 declare war for these
against great and powerful states; and why, he
asked should they adopt different policy with state
small and comparatively poweress? People believed that
the per Of Italy from all liberty being crushed AMI
everpowered by its occupation by foreign troops but he
that the great peril Of Italy from
~ was sn a and al xsrr 1e
the rest OF Europe were covered by network Of
societies who wanted not constitutional governments
reforming Popes but transfer OF all the lands from
their present possessors the overthrow OF the church.
and still more changes They would have a re
public Naples formed on extreme OPINIONS, which
would be followed by the Pope becoming fugitive; in
which case perhaps, his Hon. friend behind HIM (Mr
spencer) would say there was no great harm. Qaugh
ter) The triumvirs would be reestiblshed in Rome
and the cardinals and priests would be banished.
What OF THAR il might be said, Jet the
b spa 60 that which bs eoS Ss
oyerhrown But did they think that that would be the
end Italy would be occ pied by the forces Of the tive
great Catholic powers France Austria The repub
leans would be but the suffering Of the people
would be dreadiu would the mischief even end there
ufssl
ell respect the great prince who ably ruled
and had pow erul army devoedy attached TO
prince bad distant period the French throne
"a prince, whose 'agacty was powerful who like the
present Emperor, had also been schooed in adversely
whose maine was mentioned in that house
bu, in terms Of panegyric from each side, who also
surrounded by an army flushed with
quest yet who Tell suddenly from the machoaions Of
secret societies That catastrophe was precpllated
by the scarcity OF the previous year: and be
minded the house that France was now also suffering
from q great calamity. II might be that the ssgacity
Of the present ruler would succeed in mtig ing its
sequences; but be would BIO very careful his policy 10
Of such danger 10 bis throne He believed
the advice OF the noble lord, the member tor London
were followed the and Improvement
Italy would be retarded and he therefore expressed his
ATTRACTION that notwithstanding all the pomp Of the
ercnces and a. the detail Of the protocols nappcared to
be the calm and well considered Sold determination her
majesty minister's regarded the affairs Of Italy do
nothing. (Hcar, and laugh) He believed that the
bic lord Uord Palmerston) had remembered the txpe
mind not TO enter again into position as diicut and
dan gerCus be then occupied. He had al, such
ndcnce IN the wisdom OF the Emperor Of the french az to
feel suaded that as regarded the affairs OF Ily his
majesty Of the opinion and deter minaton the
noble lord the head OF the British government lie tMr
psTae could feel highly for the condition Of Italy
gent man in that house, and he believed that the time
would come when in Italy there would be neither seer
societies crowncc dcspots These however, were sup
the closet and not for the discussion O p-Ic
cal popular assembly. lie felt firmly persuaded that VI
they were 10 raise W an sgaiion against Austrian rule
without having clear conception u The object at which
they aimed they would only arrest the progress ct evi
lIgaton IN Italy. IL impossible 10 conceal from them
selves that The great power Of Italy was AUSTRIA and
unless they prepared TO enter into ntcrnecn.
ggle with Austria, their object should be TO renGes
austrian rule mild and benehcent and encourage
I, who PREF AIRED conspre against IL he had
visited Italy in lsss and 1912 and though he did
nd the country under rule like that beneath which
poetry, the ars and civilization ourshcd, he bad found
that undcr the rule Of Austria there had been an immense
exp ndiufe OF imperial money upon great pubic WORKS
that the people bad been ghy taxed and that there had
been progressive materal Improvement IN This country
The noble ffrd the member for london, sad, although
there might be formal treaty with SARDINIA bniag
support II against ether powers yet alter the adhesion
Of sardinia 70 the great alliance against Russia, W. were
bound honor come 70 tn. support OF that country
atsck ed TIE noble lord also ridicued the notion o.
sardinia attacking Austria, but The noble lord forgot
that Ia lsss il was sardinia that attacked Austria
and Austria that attacked SARDINIA lie (Mr. nsrae
thai the King OF sardina would proui b. the
pei cnco OF 1s4s ana thai be Go51 continue 70 pursue
that poCy VIII bad earned FOR him the respect 81 III
rore and which would secure lin against any unjas;
tack. Iesr bear was 20 tie interest a TIE kirg o
safd1.a 10 preserve peace N ay but he % lo
low The advice Of the noble lord the peace Of lGg would
be endangered, ana the throne Of sarfsA would la
by Austria BY foreign occupation, bit ~ tie efforts
Of men who had other objects IL view than those
az improvement which wisely occupied toe Coa4dera
u0u and attention the King Of Sardinia For ne sake
CIVILIZATION Il wa 10 be b ped that nothing would o.
stir ap the passions Of hc people ~ lay and ne
ea sets lied that the House would never sanction the
e0urse recommended oy Tue noble ora The member ior
Lordon ftbcy we're 70 interfere in tly u all ict be
real in,erfererce bN " they were not prepared 70
ooplsh their polc by force the best thing uy could
DO would he to remaia s-s and not endeayor 10 lead
the PEOPLE a Italy enterprise the consequences Of
which might be most d,-s,rous to the whole Of the PEG
pie (iiesr hcar,)
Inra JoHN RrsSklr cr,hyained of the misreprnsenta
tons which the rg honorable gentleman (Mr. msrael)
had pui upon his observations. lie (lprd John Rasscl
had referred only TO occupations BY foreign troops,
ard be Dbl propose 10 interfere IN other states
which scsuesccd in despo,ic form % government