The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-10-07

swered no. that I hoped was actuated by
higher motive-the spiritual welfare and eernai
interests Of the negro.
Here Mr.. Garrison remarked that neither the
Charleston Courier, nor the Charleston Mercury
would dare, or venture to maintain such sentiments
To which replied that they both would and the
Courier should. Mr.. Garrison still doubted but
insisted and said time should bring him proof Of the
correctness OF my assertion.
was asked il these opinions OF mine, and the pro-
gress OF missionary effort among the slaves in the
South, indicated that either or tue South
was acting win view 70 toe ultimate
emancipation of The negro race? answered,
mot at all. They are wholly irrespective OF any
such pa, which does no, enter at all int" my mind
or the southern mind Domestic slavery u regard
ed the perpetual and not unfav0reble destiny Of
the South unless and until it shall please Providence,
DAY, the very remote future. to extingush
IL, or it, from our borders, by an exodus
greater and as miraculous as THAT OF the Jews.
STATED that the attempted instruction OF 1922
in Charleston due. testified by some Of the
witnesses, and of the crsinas. in part the
circulation Of in endary abolitor pamphlets among
our slaves and t. the discuss6t incident to the
Missouri question, and ntimated that held SIR.
Garrison responsible, III some measure, for that in
tended but frustrated tragedy, and that II had
suited In legsation restrictive OF emancipation in
South Carolina which could formerly he effected by
q simple process before one or 20 magistrates, but
now could only be done, either inter pirOs pos
tbumously, by act of tne lie g,slatnre Mr.. Garrison
abotlonism. think he said IL did not commence
before 1881 or 1882 amended The record accord
ingiy. and added that my knowledge of him dated
nom his editorshp Of the Liberator, which had
caused him to be led about the streets OF Boston,
with rope round his neck and mob at his heels.
He or some one else said, 1T was S,uth Carolina
rope" Ireped, Perhaps 80, but it was pnt on by
Massachusetts hands, which was assented to-
asked Mr.. Garrison, as test question, whether ii
Massachusetts, like South Carolina mad within her
limits more black than white people. he would then
be in favor OF bestowing political and al equality
on his sable pr0teges. He SAID he certainly w0uld.
l replied that he vas then an honest and con-
sttent abolitionist, and nv opinion of him was
from that instant somewhat changed for the
better: and that, however, much | might depl0re
his errors and decisions l could still respect
an honest abolitionst; that l did respect Ger
TIT Smith, .or instance, who had proved his sin
cery, by pouring ont his money like wpter. for the
objects OF his mistaken sympathy; but that cor
daily and thoroughly despised and deested such
men as William IL. Seward, Charles Summer, John
T. Hale, and the like, who, firmly believed, were
only using free soils as o meaus and rree sellers
TOOLS to accomplish their selfish purposes and OBJ
iects OF unballOwed ambition.
Mr. Garrison admitted or rather asserted, with
some bitterness that pro-savery in his accepta-
ton OF the tOrm was yet in the ascendant even in
Massachusetts, and we'll in the pulpit as in the
social and political walks OF life; he regarding all
pro-sayery men, who do not 60 TO the extremes
that he ana Mr.. Parker do.
Mr.. Parker or MIR. Garrison questioned me as to
the disunion pIoclivlties If the South. l replied
that il Kansas by fair vo'es without Interference by
either border ruians "free soil rufians, should
form State constitution, with pro-slavsry clause in
it, ana should be refused admission into the Union
On that ground, as there sun in the
heavens, the Southern States would dissolve the
Union, at all hazards and form Southern confede-
racy; that, as Union loving, conservative South
such course approved itself to my jud gment,
and that l might be Iairy taken as al index Of
the sentiment OF the Union men and conservatives Of
the South; and that, AZ the South was one SEN
inn On uoul I ha In acfin
the crisis should arrive. Mr.. Garrison expressed
his high gVtifcation 1T hearing this. and indeed
gtoated with delight, and even with fierce JOY, at
prospective disunion; and thereupon several voices
exclaimed, ''the one idea, the one idea," implying
that the exclaimers regarded him a monomanisc
on the subject and that they differed widely from
that would entirely relieve the North of its comp
city with the iniquity and guilt OF slavery Mr..
Parker did not indicate his views this point, but
strongly suspect him to be In full sympathy and
accord with his friend, Mr.. Garrison.
Notwithstanding the ulsrasm Of Mr.. Garrison, he
declared himself a peace man, and that he 10 for
efecting his purpose Of the entire eradication OF
slavery from the land, only by mild and persuasive
fering were characteristic OF the meek and lowly
author OF Christianity and should be equ ally 50 Of
his disciples In this pacific phase OF his abolition.
Newburyport man" or "abolitionist, "a designation
which was not otherwise explained than by its con-
nexion with the confession that "his thoughts were
turned on peace ana BY hts reference 70 Mr. Park
which inferred and understood that Mr.. Parker's
" voice was still for war;" in the accomplishment
Of abolition, by any and every means, however vio-
lent OF revolutionary.
Fiat justitia-ruat cnlum,
Is the war cry Of the latter while the former deudes
himself with the belief that, by his Vaccinations
against southern rights and interests, he Is only pro-
noting "peace on earth, and good will to yards
men, He doubtless in "the strong delusion" that
is on him "to believe lie !" imaeines that with all
lowliness and meekness, with long suffering, for.
bearing one another in love-" he Is endeavoring
to keep the unity OF the spirit, In the bond Of
peaceH.-Ephesians, Nv ". 70.
Mr.. Parker questioned me on the statistics
Of death among the black and colored popula-
ion at the South, seemed TO be under the erro-
neOns impression that there is . largely greater
mortality among them, and especially among
their children, than among the whites, which
told him / did not believe to be the case, as
their ratio Of multiplication exceeded that OF
the whites informed him, however, that, so far
as South Carolina concerned, there were no re.
liable statistics In regard to the mortality Of slaves
out OF the cities, "a our law for the registration OF
deaths and births among slaves, was but OF few
years date, and our people had not yet generally
conformed to its provisions 30 as TO enable " 70
yield reliable results. The cases OF longevity, la
both males and females, however, were numerous,
and on my deceased mofher-inlaws plantation
there were, some ten years since, five generations
of one family, living at the same time, the three
eldest of which passed of the stage almost stimuli
taneously. He said the cases Of longevity among
the blacks were numerous also at the North, and he
knew one which had extended to lao years. ne
gro was, or had been, the oldest or most longlved
person in the United States.
The discussion originally commenced between
Mr. Garrison ard myself, as previously
stated, Mr. Parker remaining silent and lie
tening. and occasionally acting umpire or
moderator. Mr. Garrison was impctuous, and,
think, impatient and 20 was /, to some extent, and
unwilling TO let me answer in full, when he put
questions 70 me, interrupting me, and preventing
the completion OF my answers. 1 complained OF
this and said, "I have never interrupted you when
answering my questions. Mr.. Garrison said that
had spoken two words TO his one, and Mr.. Parker,
as modeator ruled that had often interrupted Mr..
Garrison. acknowledged both my numerical adj
vantage, in words over my dispufant, and my fro
quent Interruptions OF him, but held and still hold
tenaciously TO my position, (because II was true,)
that had never Interrupted him In his answers to
my queries Mr. p. had TO interpose more than once
to get me the privilege Of reply or to lot me have
my answer fully out