The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1856-07-18

whether wrong has been done therefore, Is the cues
ton upon which we have TO fall back maintain that
wrong has been done that wrong has not been atOoed
FER by The apology. Let me say two things which siIl
shorten my part IN the discussion. In the first place,
win not as general rule quote from these Blue books
but tor cry word utter ready II called upon
repeat the chapter and verse II do not quote much,
upon the Indulgence OF the House. In the next
place ! i0rS . % discuss the question Of
important, because ! hold that no position /, less
deiensihle and "a Tretenson less tenabe than
that we may e@c.as ..e question OF international law
reason that the Americans have municipal aw But as
the is clear upon the municipal am ready to
conne myself TO that in the practical view OF the case
which have prescribed 10 myself. l am sorry to say
that propositions that have to- support a. emboiy
ing my CONSCIENTIOUS ctions are unfortunately pro
s,ons which very srong blame TO the conduct
Of the government Sir, snail not attempt qualify
those opinions by any expressions OF regret. These
things are of little value in hostile discussion II is bet
ter for a man speak out what he has To say and to
to conradcted corrected and exposed If he has
rot spoken the truth. (fiear, hear) What have TO
say is this In the first place concealment was pracsed
owards the American government and, IN the second
place only coneeancnt plactised but the Amer
can Cover ment deluded and mised by represen
atoms which do not say were Intended 70 m-ead bat
evidently such that they must misead, properly
onsdcrcd (Icar, hear) L say this--that the inunci
al law was only broken, but II wa, broken in No.
IT, OF The advice of those who We're chosen AZ COM
sellors--it was knowingly broken The .art OF The
gents Of the British government (Hear. hear 10
Ct say that in these papers j. 10 be- found te
root that this was done under the direction q .as
cier from the hon gentlemen the member 'Ql
Mayo ard permit me in passing 10 say could nct NtI
listen with regret to the observations expressed ron re
Treasury bench not only those portions OF tn ecn
u The honorable member for Mayo, IN which h' n,ollc
3D. by way Of ilusraon certain passages IRON lrsh hl
y IA slight augh) but on the general tendency of tat
speech to throw blame par ucular member OF tn
Cabinet must say in justice 10 the honorable member
Mayo that although may good tactics
keep cut CT view ones own iDcapacity by Introducing
exciting matter the honorable gentleman has n cl-e
or any such expee ut because he has amply proved ~
t,,I. NJ
question (Cheers) But differ from the honorable
enan in that point think he stated these thing were
done under the direction Of her Malestys government
confess do not discern that on the face of the papers
(iear) But, in my view II matters little whether they
done under the direction OF the government not
the government made themselves partes " the acts ~
their subsequent appreciation And sir cannot hep
regreng deeply the injustice done Mr. Cramp'on BY the
hoI orahe member for Montrose One pro aosition that
state with the greatest confidence is th's--that
justice not done Mr.. Champion BY any mem
Der Of the government but it was done by ne honofane
member for Montrose. Hear, hear.) The honorable
member with his regard for America, was not willing
10 ncupate America and with his regard tor the govern
ment, not willing TO incupate the government a
iaugh So following the example of President Pierce
and passing by both the British and the rican
said Mr. CHAMPION when he took the lawyers opinion,
ought 10 have itopped the scheme Of recruiting give
Mr.. Champion credit tor taking lawyers opinion II was
a wise and prudent step; but when is said he should
bave stopped the scheme of recruiting did rest with
Mr. CHAMPION TO disobey orders from homer (Hear,
h,ar) In my opinion Mr. Champion sailed as near the
wind he could, and in justice Mr. CTampton II must
be remembered that when he had taken the lawyers
opinion he sent home that opinion to his government and
wrote 10 Lord Clarendon
Your ordshp win doubt perceive that the provisions Of
the Neutrality Act restrict operations within very narrow
limits. tCheers)
take it that fair expression that in his opinion
the whole thing should be abandoned That suggestion
not adopted by the government at home. Mr
CHAMPION had begun in the spirit Of what he
ceyed to be these intentions the result tina, her
Majestys government unreservcdly acquitted by the
Americans. and Mr. Champion is no longer Minister at
INT xiIh IN ('rum
my proposition is thisthat there Is not one hairs
breadth Of distinction between the position of Mr. Cramp
ton and the position OF her Majesty government Hear
hear) think, far as can Judge that the zeal Of Mr.
Champion, and, perhaps what be believed TO be the in
tentions Of the government but not the instrac
Of the government the source Of the evils
which have arhen. Hear, hear.) Everything which
Mr. Champion did was approved by the government at
home every claim that Mr.. Champion made was maia-
tanned by the government at home, and entirely decline
draw the least distinction between the original respon
sbily OF Mr.. Champion the subordnat person, and
the subsequent possibility Of the government by its
Unrestricted posterior approval Of Mr. Champions
duct. (Cheers But say that, at first Mr.. Champion
concealed those proceedings from the American govern
mont, and that in point OF great importance. (ear.
hoar) The hon member for Mayo has quoted passage
Lord Carendons despatch Of the 18th OF July IN
which Lord Clarendon says, that he has instructed Mr.
CHAMPION, above ALL 10 have no concealmcnt from the
American government My right honorable friend the
member for Name says, that that then
was high offence in Mr.. CHAMPION 10 practice con.
ament. The American government, not doubling the
ssurabce conveyed by Lord Clarendon, said the same
hing and laid Mr. Champions shoulders this burden
that having received strict instructions not 10 practise
oncealment lie did practise concealnent. The hon.
Iabc nber for Mayo ba stated that there does not
appear In these papers any instruction 70 Mr. Champion
TO practise concealment and he has called upon tue
ment 10 point 10 him where that Instruction
(Hear. bear The Attorney General folio we'd and he
did not swer that apreal The Home Secretary spoke
later IN The evening and did not answer that appeal
has o right 10 know from her Msjesty's government whe
ther true that Lord Clarendon inst ucted Mr. Cramp
ton TO have concealment from the American govern
II he did 80 instruct Mr. CHAMPION then undoubt
eddy the American government justified 10 the dis
tinction which they draw but IL Lord Clarendon did
instruct Mr. Champion, and II the reference in the
despatch Of July Is Is erroneous. then II Is i'm
possible TO ind words 10 describe the injustice
inflicted on Mr. Champion, because Mr. Cramp
ton las been made TO bear the responsible lily OF con
ccament which the honorable member for Montrose
the responsibility Of that concealmeut belongs to the
eminent (Che,r s.) frankly own that think u does
belong TO the government for although reference made
10 the despatch OF July To- TO some instruction not TO
practise oonccalmcn there IL passage IN any prior
despatch or indeed any despatch prior or subsequent
that eject (Chcers The material point In the
H. whether conce amcBt not practisedY The
Attorney General raid no coDceauen was practsed Tor
Mr.. CHAMPION pointed out 70 Mr. Marcy that The British
government bad established intended " establish
depot al Halifax And this rs what induced me ~ say
the Attorney General hsd not read the papers Because
my honorable and learned friend gave two references
dcspaebes neither u which contain word to the
depot nj Halifax hut there happens q be third extract
which docs refer W H. presase the person who pre-
pared the references Tor the Attorney General bad
fortunately placed the wrong figures In the margin or
they wrongly supplied at the moueni, and my
honorable and learned friend having read the papers
was unable correct the error. "a augh) However,
II Is quite true Mr. Champion dsd say 10 Mr.
Marcy that the British government intended TO
establish n depot at Halifax. II V not In the
blue book. but II In the 1Ith page Of the last pa
pers presented 10 Parliament think there " no doubt
mentioned but is fact tor which do not think
Mr. Marcy had any great 10 feel obliged nasm 1ch
this depot the subject Of great discussion In the
public journals and T. just possible Mr Marcy might
have acquired knowledge Of is existence without any
such communication being made 10 Mr. Champion Hear,
hear The question is, did you conceal from the Ameri
government that which the matter and the
OF the complaint The American government never com
planned o existence of the depot At Halifax. There
a word which implies ouch complaint on their part.
They knew quite well that the establishment OF such n
depot Halifax, whether prudent not perfectly
within the rights and competence Of the British govern
mcnt, and am perfectly ready TO say that ] and my
right honorable friend beside me (sr James Graham
responsible for that act In conjunction with the members
Of the present government becaue that resolution
the last step taken within cognxsnce before were
compelled 70 quit the cabinet Of my noble friend,
question arising the motion OF the honorable and