The daily union., 1856-12-27

body else should settle il or them while on the Buchanan
side amopg tbs supporters Of Mr. Buchanan, the principle
c0uended for that the people should be free 70 settle
this subject for themselves Yet when the question was
put him he could not say a.d did not tell whether
ritory TO regulate this matter for themselves not
Mr. BlGLER thought was very explicit on that sub
jec in reply 70 the senator from Ohio, Mr. WADE who
asked what Mr. Buchanan's views constitution
al question judicial question: question Of constituting
the constitution said could not answer that question
bat this could say thought with entire safety that Mr.
Buchanan held the views this subject which the demo
cratic party held and declared at Cincinnati and accepted
by himyiz that the people Of the Territories shall settle
this question for themselves Further said that believed
the situtou conferred them perfect Aw-making
power th ugh might be mis- aiken IN that II were tested
before the poper tribunal Mr. Buchanan might be mis-
taken also III the senator desires 10 the question set
He'd let him present ii before the proper tribunal.
Mr.. TRUMBULL. Then 1t seems, by the explanation OF
the senator from Pennsylvania that they are conendng
for they know not what The issue which he says has
been pending has established nothing He does not even
pretend to know what the views of Mr. Buchanan are
except they enunciaed in the Cincinnati platform
What does that enuncate Do any two OF his supporters
understand ii alike Does the senator from Mississippi Mr.
BRowS understand 1t as the senator from Pennsylvania
does2 Do we not know that that Cincinnati platform Is
couched in such words to be understood differently IN
different parts of the country Its language that the
people of Territory, when sufficiently numerous to form
ats constitution for themselves shall be admitted into
the Union either with without slavery as they may de-
termine That is not the question The issue before the
country was about the admission OF any State INTO the
Union whether as free State No such issue was
nut but the question about the existence OF slavery
in the Territory Of Kansas and the right OF the territorial
legislature while the territorial government lasted to ex
cude slavery That is the question upon which we want
Mr. Buchanans views and that is the question upon when
we cannot get his VIEWS Inc Cihclhh"tl ooh'ehon 0
not explained it.
Mr. BIGLER The senator says there was no such ques
ton az that Of admitting free or slave state inlo e
Union Well sir will read paragraph from the tepup
can platform AZ adopted Philadelphia, and ask the SEN
or to tell me what il means f docs not mean Inc Doau
exclusion of State that may adopt slavery ag
slature of any individual association OF individuals 10
give legal existence to slavery in any Territory OF ne
FAMED If then the Territories forbidden TO adopt
the institution under any circumstances how can 'nsy Do
ccme slave States u a :; o,- Tor
,;t - ~ Uaed States y but cannot the senator irom
Pennsylvania the difference between ieFt0f'
Stae2 :. soo,aro,ior of aen,i-
Mr. BIGLER have given the, ha aHr;pg
ments AS to Territory Now, ask him .i~"eF anrihg
the campaign in the discussions upon the president.
question: he does not know that the course OF argument
on their part against any increase OF the slave states
aNo more slave States in this Union" common dec
aration 1t did involve that ISSUE for they presented 1t in
the North and pressed it and upon that they relied very
Mr. TRUMBULL. This is wandering little from the
point but say the senator from PennsylVania
was not the issue. | strove, and all those with whom
was associated strove to present the question disncuy IN
regard slavery in the Territories OF the United States
we contended for any right to interfere win II IN
the States That not the question presented oy tne
republican party Our issue in regard TO slavery in
the Territories of the United States know there was
ats
nr M States and Territories together, and produce
confusion Of IDEAS as if there was somebody IN ule
country who an,ed interfere with slavery in the States
of this Union Bat, sir, that was not the republican
reed We were oppoyad the extension of slavery into
the free Territories and into Kansas ana Nebraska
particular. There where we sought 10 MAKE Tue
issue and that issue which the Cinenna
did not meet except by indrecton Perhaps fair inter-
ence from what they said at Cincinnati Is, tha lnasoch
they declare that where the people are numerous Ios
10 form State constitution for themselves, thsy nave
right to admit or exclude slavery 1t follows that until they
become that numerous they have no such right you
can draw any inference from that PLATFORM IT is the one
which have stated and that understand TO oe diIecuy
at war with the views of the honorable senator from Penn
sylyania He have been fighting or candidate
and going through the contest upon principle at war
with his platform; for the only legitimate inference to be
drawn from that platform is that the territorial
has right during the territorial existence TO exclude OF
admit slaves, act upon the SUBJECT AZ all s unae
stand to be the view of senator from Mississippi, and
numerous others upon the other side from the southern
States.
MIR PUGH do not propose to engage 10 this discus.
sion present although before concludes may desire
make observations in reply to what mas oen saa
by several But there remark OF the sena
tor from Illinois this morning which, 1t seems TO me, NJ
all requires at his hands some explanation or at
my hands some notice. In speaking OF the COMMITTEE on
the Judiciary that senator undertook 70 ignore tne Ac
chat any represented the States OF the North IN
this body except himself and his particular political asso'
ciates. lie made t9e charge repeatedly.
Mr. TRUhPULL think stated that there was on
that Committee 10 one Representing the great republican
party which bad cast hundreds ef tRousands-yea more
than million Of yotts
Mr.. HALE. That the statement.
Mr.. TRUMBULL. | did not say that northern sena~
tor that committee The only committee 10 which
applied the remark that 1t contained northern sena-
tors was the Committee Indian Affairs. | am aware
some senators northern States members Of
the Committee the Judiciary but intended to be un-
destood and think stated that there person upon
the Judiciary Committee the Committee on Finance
representing the great northern party known as the re-
publican Fremont party.
Mr.. PUGH. The senator's illustration, then, amounts
10 nothing at all. 1t either amounts TO what have
stated or il amounts TO nothing If his proposition be
that the republican party Is excluded from represen-
h ton the Committee the Judiciary IT is mere
ple for his party and cannot be charged with
tonaism because do not admit this that party to
clare that the republican party s the exclusive propre
tor of the northern States for one take issue with
him They certainly not the proprieors OF his own
State so far as have heard. They not the pro-
pretors Of the State which represent by more thau
twelve thousand. ] admit that at the last election In
Ohio they in plurality OF some sixteen thousand,
but they lacked than twelve thousand OF majority
concede TO them their rights wish TO make no rehec-
tions upon them but the senator tells us that because
have voted put certain senators on certain COM
mittees have engaged IL war against our own sec
ton, at least the senator ffcm Pennsyiyana aid,
end that did and that my friend from Connecticut MI
TGUCEYl who, like myself Is member OF the COMMITTEE
on thu Judiciary, did. will say frankly that think 1t
tor He knows I presume all know that 1t has not
been usual in the Senate take gentlemen from com
mttee without their consent do not know that II has
been done any certainly such instances are very
rare When here et The commencement OF the last
Reasop believe there slUglo vacancy In the Cofn-