New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1855-05-11

Ton. Tia, in reference 10 claiming pereons bound TO
abor &C. he couicndod il did not refer 70 slavery bu,
90 apprentices and hired servants
W. l. GARRIsoS-Ihere IL clause cainst donies-
lie insurrecton: how do YOU explain mat
srrPHES l.. FosrrR Of Mas. said ne wor1lnS o.
the clause that the Government sha1 ocieno
leach State against domes tic rtokenos
Wn GoopEaL-Ah that is It; and we contend
hat the whole system Of Slavery is itself domestic VI
oence ard therefore The Constitution provides Tor
orr defense against slavery. Slavery never was es
taLished BY law. II had entered the Slave States az
!, WINS now entering Kansas-wiihout any law az ALL
II was so in Maryland. Indeed he did not believe
that there was statute in any Slave State auhonz-
ing and establishing Slavery.
MARYLAND and there was q statute OF recent oa'e II
was true establishing Slavery.
WIZ GoopTIL-Yes and | know what that Law -
without having examined it. II enacis that all ch-
dren born Of slave mothers shall be slaves, but II does
not mention who slave mothers are lChccnl
Mr. FosIER suggested that this discussion OF The
Constitution and laws not pertinent TO the ooecs
Of the present discussion, and was defending his posi-
ton when
Nr. REnosD lcsloredl rose to pou, Of order, con-
tending that the discussion was fairly included IN me
resolutions under consideration, and that Mr. GooieI'
was in order.
The CHAIRMAN sustained the point OF order, and
after some discuss sion thereon
Mr.. GoopELL was loudly called for to continue his
defense Of the Constitution. He then endeavored 10
show the truth Of bis position that the Constitution
the Constitution itself, when
Mrs. RosE asked what be would say to the clause
making distinction between colored and white per-
sons-" white male citizens 7
Mr.. GosDELL said there was 10 such distinction IN
the Constitution.
Mrs. RosT-And then the spporionment of the
represontai.on-ihe throe-fifths cause-what do you
say 10 that So
Mr.. GosDIIL coutended that even this dill not
necessarily refer 20 slaves He read the clause con-
tanning Z" three-ffihs Of Ill other persons
VIZ. l.. GARRIsON-Who are those persons
Mr.. GOODELL went on to show that al other persons
might refer to aliens az tie term citizen and free per-
scr were used in the time of King John IN Magma
Charta simply to distinguish between citizens and
aliens.
WN l.. GAKRIsov said the world hal been horror
stricken at the passage of the Fugitive Slave act, and
his friend Goodell was equally so, and yet according
to his logic no such act had been passed.
Mr. GoODELL cOntended that the whole spirit Of our
foreathers was in favor of Freedom declaring that
- God had credited all men free equal; and he had
a leht 10 assume that the Constitution was male IN
accordance with the spirit of that declaration. He adj
duced tie evidence OF Mr. Madison 20 the effect that
the Convention had determined not TO recognize that
man could hold property in man in the Constitution
That instrument is made with especial care 10 exclude
reference 70 the question of Slavery. lie considered,
indeed that the Constitution made It incumbent on
Congress to abolish Slavery. The Constitution pro-
yidod that person shall be deprived OF life, tber-
ty properly withOut due process Of lac = and he
asked what was tie due process OF law by when inc
their llCrtyl
WV. /. GARRIsoS-Did they mean that to apply to
the slaves
WV. GooDELt-I do not care what they meant.
If you conveyed away fam, and were then TO say
did not intend TO DO 10, would that alter the act
and could YOU again Obtain your farm on that plea
The clause 10 which he had referred had been placed
in the Constitution az an amendment. II was like
cod.c to win and had Just the force as the will
iiscf The fact was the trainers of the Constitution
desired TO the liberty OF themselves and they
found thoy could not do that without 80 far as the
Constitution was concerned, securing the right of
freedom 20 every man, woman and child IN the country
Loud applause Bit. q. proceeded 20 take the Con-
siiuiion clause 10y clause, and to show that was In
every particular in direct opposition 10 Slavery IN
eveiy Tom and made II incumbent on the Government
to protect the rights aud liberty OF the whole popula
ton of the country, whether aliens, or women, or col
ored persons.
c. C. BUEIEIoH rose in reply, and said that it APP
pcGrcd If We had not Pro-Slavory Constitution we
were obliged to listen to long argument TO convince
us that are living under Anti-Savery COnsttu-
tion He compared the argument of his friend
Goodoll 10 that # counsel employed 70 defend per-
son charged with stealing teakete, the nrst propo-
sitiOn Of which was tina, the kettle was broken one
whom borovod secondly that II gwen 10 thep per-
son who bonowed; and thirdly that no kettle hadeye
been received Laughter. He commended that the
modnng of tie trainers OF the Constitution what
they ought 10 endonyoT TO discover and when II was
that the calling for the aid Of the General Gov
elnmCnt for the suppression of domestic violence was
SON. The Executive Of each State, the slaves had
part or lot IN such Legislature or Government, was
II not evident that the object of The Convention had IN
view IN the suppression OF domestic violence must
apply mainly TO the liability of Shareholders TO suffer
domestic violence at the hands OF their slaves He
went on TO state that with but few exceptions the
States Of this country denied the right TO vote to the
ColoTcd man, which gave rise TO considerable discus
sen between hmlolf and coiored brother in the
body of The meeting. After further remarks, Mr.. Is.
was interrupted by
Mis-. ArBY KELLY Foster, who said the Committee
on Finance had been waiting time 10 report and
regarding business always in order she wished it 10
b. understood that although there s. 900 in tho
treasury oil that amount required for specific pur-
poses, and desirable raisc funds for send
ing Living lecturers throughout tie country especially
in the West. There at least four lecturers who
were willing to labor and would be glad to receive the
ald of the Society but whether they received that aid
lot they determined to labor. She read let
ter from Mr.. and Mrs. Mott of Illinois who stated that
they were gong 10 travel in that State, and would Ike
10 have Their expenses at least paid by the Society Bat
II not they would labor TO the full extent of their means
ard ability.
collection was then made ly the Finance Commit
tee, Chiefly ladies' making individual application TO the
audience.
c. {. BURLEIGH then resumed his argument in re-
ply 10 W II. GOOde endeayoring 10 maintain the posi-
ton Il at the Constitution Is a II o-SayeTy docum 1T
Ng. LLOYD GARRISON then took tie floor MAIN
ciniIg with his usual ability and candOr bis position
that tie Constitution not only sanctions but sustans
Slavery, and is therefore unworthy the respect of
free, enlightened and Christian people.
After some further proceedings the meeting ourned
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF COLORED PEOPLE
THIRD DAY.
At 10 o'clock yesterday morning the Council was
called to order by the President, J. McCuSg SMITH.
Secretary DowsEG read the minutes, which were