The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1855-09-27

be- nnder the proposed measures obliged send their
paurefs 10 Thu institution
Mr.. WooLwoRTH, of Lewis answered that the present
Law obliged them to remove them.
Mr. RtErExcept where Supervisors OF the Foor provide
county houses for them.
Mr.. JONES thought the question TO this point;
the people OF the safe ofhew York had evidently made
appropriation OF $500 900 was asked tor the purpose
Ir. GRAY suggested $4,000.
Mr.. JoNrs repeated that s5CO00o was asked and pos
sbly $3.50 GOO would tie tail Therefore the
question for their consideration was whether this money
should be expended one large establishment two
or more effabshments9 This the question which
he des cd to have expression of opinion by this
vention; for the building Of new asylum, said he is
foregone conclusion
Mr. IrED thought the gentlemen was drawing his con-
illusions from the suppostion that they going
have the same Legislature next session they had last
session The idea OF abuse neglect of patients in county
houses was so far as the county Of Genesee
cerned, sheer nonsense. The county OF Genesee was
not DESTROYS 10 be put to further ex ense ia new
asylums which they deemed unnecessary.
Mr. CARrSAHR, of Erie, understood that the design oil
The report favorable to the building of additional
lunatic asylum. He not under the impression that
properly taken Of The authorities If his county
for the treatment Of the INSANE and their beig
abused there ne old not believe it, They employed the
treatment Of the insane of the paupers He believed
that The county would be opposed TO abandoning their
Premises erected for the Of the insane sending
her patients to the State Lunatc Asylum. He consider
I'D that many Of those retained in the county house
were cured as Of those sent Utica Tho people of Erie
had great sympathy with this unfortunate class a.
any people could have but they we're not gong to let this
sympathy run away with their common sense.
MT JONES explained that the report lid recommend
anything OF the kind The question of the additional
lunatc asylum is only side ISSUE He had stated
dentay that it was the intention Of the people of the
and he had only asked this convention say whether
they would prefer 10 have one large establishment
or more smaller onesp
Mr. CHuBBuK, Of Broome, thought there was con-
siderable msconception to the nature OF the report
presented by the committee He had not been able
that the report that these additional
establishments should interfere with county houses
but rather that they should supply deficiency where it
from patients being treated at lunatc asylum
OF in private houses, very great Insane patients
generally regard their best friends their worst
find good nurses for this species of disease The design
however, not to touch these county institutions whore
proper treatment provided for the insane and the state
must make provision for oil such
Mr. JERMAIN thought that this very interesting
ard important subject and ii rhey had time discuss he
would not have any objection to devong two days
to it, But they had not time, and they should therefore
come to the question The report simply recommends
that the measures already DIV the state for oro
vidng additional relief for the insane carried out He
did not see how there could be any objection to the four
points, or summing up Of the report
Mr. CHANDLER Of Chautauque understood that the whoe
presented b. Mr. Jones the report te
be adop'ed by thennct merely the three points
read by Mr. Jermain He thought that those counties
which had not prepared proper means for The
modation Of their insane should be made so. He
objected to the report BECAUSE If they adopted it, it
would be said that they-the County Supervisors-had
called the State to take Of all the insane That
principle he was opposed to. If their present asylum
not sufficient for the accommodation proper recent
cases. he was in avor Of additional being
he was opposed TO the State being called on to take
care OF the emented poor Of Bro0ne and other counties
Mr. CARIENTER. of Erie, in reply TO question, stated
what was the number of assistants required to attend to
the insane i'll his county work house. He not in
favor OF abolfhing the Utica asylum, neither he in
favor OF building such establishments. He not
who had uot provided for the Accommodation Of their
insane that they should be taught lesson by the public
to take care oftheir Their neglect and calling
the State to remedy it ungenerous and they should
be ashamed Of II.
Mr. JONES regretted to the feeling expressed by the
gentlemen from the Western portions OF The State in re-
gard to this matter. He for might be willing to
satisfied that, 80 far as Oneida county concerned
they were well provided for. But. then, what is the
amount Of the unacs of these Western counties in pro-
portion to the rest Of the Slater The principle has
established that it is the duty OF the State to take
OF its insane. There in the State 700
unprovided for. Did not common humanity appeal TO
them to care for these unfortunates2 He asked the
OF countless here assembled to prove 30 Tar
true to themselves not to throw obstacles in the way
OF this cause of humanity The statistics 10 the report
prove that The remedy not equal to the disease If the
county institution, SO highly spoken Of by the gentle
men, good why do they take of all their
patients and 80 leave room in the State Asylum
there is not sufficient accommodation in that establish
inent and III they asked was for an additional amount
Of aeco mnsoaations If the gentlemen would look Mt
the statistics and The increase Of insanity for the last
accommodations are sufficient What would become of
the 1900 odd patients they should have 1902
State for them he had no desire TO continue the
discussion. He supposed the matter would have ad-
dressed itself to the Intelligence Of the convention and
that wod be papable to them that the State required
facilities for the of its insane Let gentlemen
make much objection they would to the movement
that movement would go on. Tie public impulse was
that these persons be taken proper of, they
must hs The cause is onward because It il the
Of humanity and he willing to leave it to the people
Mr. HART, of westchestor had listened with attention
to the discussion Of this evening lie WAS glad to hear
OF the provisions made by the counties OF Oneida and
Chautauque, and he could say with them that old West
chester county had made like sons for the of
its insane.
Mr. Joyfs asked whether westcheser sent any patients
to the asylum Mt Utica?
Mr. HART acknowledged they had. There we're also
several ecrled thele The number Of insane taken
care of there is 25
Mr. CARPENTER, of Ire stated that in sending patients
would be most benefited by it, He did not mean any
Election the management of the Utica Asylum, but he
nad come 10 the conclusion that those county authorities
who had provided for their own insane had adopted the
wisest course
Mr.. JONES inquired how many patients they had in
their asylum at Buffalo last Year,
Mr.. CsRrENTER--They had sometimes as high as 81.
Mr.. JoNE-Do you recollect the number Of deaths last
Mr. CARPENTER did not recoect; but there was large
number who died OF cholera LAST year.
Mr.. .oNE-Was there not SO per cent?
Mr.. CARPENTER-i do not know. believe twenty nine
patients died of cholera.
Mr.. JERsAIS spoke Of the provisions made by Chaa-
tauque county for the Of its insane. STILL lie in
favor of adopting the provisions recommended by the
committee in their report.
Mr.. WooIwoRrB had little experience in respect
to the treatment Of insane. Some he thought
IL would be proper TO have county accommodations for
them but after visits 10 the Utica um he gave up
that idea. They all their insane the asyiun xnd
the were 80 pc, cent. He did not think much
OF the treatment Of insane In county poor houses they
were TO have ply cians in each county they woull
Of III had only fhrepo fnur Stota
asyurns they would only have that limited number of
medical boards He visited jefferson county poor mouse
two years sgo, and found 20 insane people, Of
them had been confined for Is years in the HABIT
of being chained TO trees aud when be indoors OF
being chained in the cell This destructive treat
ment At all events there too m 1ch sameness in
these poor houses He believed that " the payers
would visit the asylum in utca, they would say, Away
with these county asy ums."
GRAY csllet attention 10 the that thc