The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1855-10-24


Q. For what purpose did you give this chez. to Al
Objected TO- and objection sustained
Q. With what express purpose, If any, did Alderman
Herrick receive the cheeky
Objected to, and objection sustained
The Court thought 1t would be better to AJAX the wit
ness what took place.
Q. Did Alderman Herrick express any purpose in
Objected 70 As leading and Irregular.
The Court thought 1t better to ask TIE witness what
| took place on the occasion.
Q. Was any body present beside yourself and Alderman
| Herrick when you gave this check A. No, sir.
Q. In what part Of his house it3 A. In the first
story; in the parlor. believe.
q. At what time Of the days A. Well perhaps some
where between and O'Clock in the afternoon.
Q. state all that was said or done by yourself and Al
dc. man Herrck in Tie presence of each other at that
time and placer A. When first went in handed the
Alderman piece Of paper not that one in that paper
l stated
| Mr.. Brady-That you need not tell
| Mr.. Hall-What became Of that paper2 A. left it
| with Alderman Herrick.
Mr. Hail called on the defence to produce that paper
Mr. HAL to winess-What then? A. That paper ex-
pressed the object OF the 500.
@ After you handed him shat paper what took place
A. handed him the check and went away; did not see
the Aide again till after the measure had passed the
| O. Lid Alderman Herrick say anything? A. When
handed him The check lie said he dl not wish to receive
tated would leave with him, and he might return II
at future time he thought fit, If theopject was not
o What else was said by either of your A. do not
know that any hing else said unless that endea
him that the change OF the grade
Eighty sixth street was very necessary measure.
O. How long did the interview last A. should think
| fifteen twenty minutes: perhaps little more.
9 Did you ever, at any other time have any CONVEX
saop with Alderman Hsrrck about the Of grad
ing Eghtysixth street, A. No, sir.
Q. Lid you at any time subsequent to this inter-
view A. NO. sir; have had no conversation with him
that subject since.
o. When YOU went away do You know where the paper
and check were? A. left them with him.
Q. When did you next see the cheeky A. When my
account settled with the bank got it returned with
tkav, la,y., fr,.,, knrE
q. Have you seen that paper which you left with
the alderman since? A. No, sir.
q. Do you now know where IL is? A. ] do not.
Q. To you remember the date at winch the check
returned 10 you? A. do not.
O. Have You any copy of that paper which you lefS
O. State tho contents Of that paper.
OBJECTED to- objection overruled ndexcepton taken
WnessThat paper II recollect rightly, STATED that
was willing give 300 for certain of business
cards; that was provided this measure passed
concnrred in by the Board Of Aldermen.
q Have you stated all that the paper recited? A.
| think tina was nearly all the paper expressed.
q Did it state who was to furnish che business cards.
A. expected the Alderman to furnish the business cards
q We're you furnished with business cards by the
Alderman, or any one else at that timer A. No, sir.
@ We're you acquainted at that time with the business
occupation of Alderman Herrcka A. Yes; was in
| formed of the business he conducted.
q. To you know what his business is? A. under
stand he j. editor Of The SUNDAY paper called the Ics
q. What bank did you keep an account in? A. The
Mechanics and lracers'.
g The whole filing up of This check is in your hand
writing? \. Yes, sir.
O. We're there any signatures to that paper? A. No,
sir it not signed
q How many lines Of writing did it haveP A. Perhaps
five or six short lines; II was a small piece Of paper
q. How many times before that had you seen Alderman
Her n A. Well perhaps Two or, Or three rect times;
Other subject2 A. think not.
O. Did you receive any Communication from him
prior to this meeting? A. No, sir.
Q. II you who stated that il the did not
poss he might return the cheeky A. Yes, sir
O. To whom did you state it? A. To the Alderman
9. lid he make any replyy A. He dd, sir.
@ What did he cay A. He said ii it did not pass he
certainly would return it.
Cross-examinel by Mr. Brady
q. How old you? A. am Fifty four.
Q. How long have you resided in the city2 A. Wen,
think it must be near thirty years.
q. And during all that time you have carried bust
ness as builder or architect A. Yes, sir:
q We've you ever connected AZ any time before this,
with any measure pending in tho Common Councilg A.
Wen, had a simple resolution passed through,
years ago. to correct the title TO piece of property
q. bad you ever before been connectedwth action
in any legislative body which discussed and opposed
| A. No, sir, j d. not know that ever was.
9; Have you ever been personally interested in any
| such measuTcY a. Not except The one allude to.
Q. i'd you pay anything for that A. No, Fir.
g Were you directly or indirectly connected with the
| lobbying business? A. No, sir.
Q. Did you ever offer to bride any ofclR A. Never,
! except in this instance.
| Q. Lid you commit any crime before this2 A.
do not know that have.
G, Then that was your first experiment in crmeS A.
O. Your family have of resided With you this
! cityY A. Yes, sir
9. Do you know Bryan MecahiIp Yes.
q He was connected with this measure5 A. BE pre-
sented petition; that's all.
q. Did he advocate the measured A. Yes.
q. Did you employ him to do sog A. Not particularly
employ him. BE seemed to fall in with my views.
Q. Did you ever offer him any compensation A. No,
o. All he did was done Voluntarily A. Yes, sir.
q. Who wrote the retioDg A. cannot say.
@. Who brought 1t to you to sign it, A. think Mr..
Q. This grade gave rise good deal of discussion in
the street or neighborhoods A. do not know that ever
heard more than two speak about it.
q. What persons took prominent part in trying to
lobby it through the Common CounciR A. There we're
| several Of US to use our iniuenc. :.
q Name them. A. There was Mr.. Livingston, two OF
| the Fokes, and think Mr.. Nblo
| @ Was there not one man who took the most prom-
nent part in lobbying the measure2 A. Finally got
Mr. John Murphy he appeared to understand lobbying
| better than did good deal.
Q. What ward does he live inS \. In Twenty.Grst
Q. what is his busincssP A. He deals in lme lath
and such articles.
Q. How long have you known hma A. Six or seven
years.
q was he employed in lobbying this measure9 A. He
employed as was; ne interested in the
y And 20 Tar as you know he advocated 1t merely be-
| cause be was interested in III A. That's oil.
O. Did he not take the active control Of liz A. be
| lieye so.
O. Who was the most active man on the other side A.
Thomas X. Downing
O. You spoke 10 Alderman Hcrrick the subject
beforef A. never did, because had acquaintance
with HIM may have spoken TO him twice the
subject in the committee.
q. Did you in the committee, out of the
mittee, speak to Alderman Herck about tue measuref
A. I could not say whether ever did or not.
a. Who told you that he in favor Of opposed TO
it2 A. Nobody told us, but rather judged from his
manner that he the fence he expressed himself
to several times in the clerks office, the private
office.
| Q. Who was there beside yourself when he so ex-
pressed himself A. think John Murphy was.
q. Do you remember any other person who pre-
fen when Mr.. Herrick expressed himself in such way?
A. There were others but could not name them.
q. When that A. think 1t was in July.
O. What did Mr.. Herrlck says A. He said he had
friends both SIDES and would prefer 10 have nothing
to do the subject but leave It with the other members
| OF the committee.
O. Was it to you or Murphy he said hats A. To Muir
ply.
q Did yeu get any Of your friends to call on Alderman
Hcrrick, 10 try and influence him A. think not.
O. When II that you first formed in your mind
the idea of gorg to Alderman Hcrrck with the check
A. think IL the evening before Saturday evening,
11th OF August.
O. Did you know Fernando Wood at that tmes A. No,
sir.
q. Not by sehtg A. No sir.
o. Had you any to judge how the Mayor stood
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