The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1855-10-24

AldermanY A. No sir.
O. Who suggested the amount Of money! A. think
O. Did you object to i9 A. do not know that did.
Q. Did il strike you that there anytime. dis
something that done every day in the city govern
ment, it did strike me that 1t was not all right but
murphy said Il was common IN ining. M -. a,ro.
tons how to do II; he told me to deaw the paper
have spoken of, and Gil up check; tod him taat !
check the Bulbs Head Bank, and aersdth the heading
Q. Isee that it is Tiled up Cash." or bearer; was
You would y not have put Herrcks name to it at all
events A. No SIR think he suggested, "draw 1t to
| cafh.o
O Did you suggest him he had better 60 and do It
hipselfY A. think did. said to Murphy. lie
considered was the most proper person to do It, as
| Q. He was well acquainted with Herrck9 A. pre-
sume so; have seen them speaking together.
hd s'hct o. yoa When when should be
the same evening. The check filed up Sunday.
& Where did the conversation stop on the saturday
| clock
| Q. What the object Of the appointment FOR Sun
| day A. He wanted to make some further inquiries
| whether promise would answer well check
Q. How came he to suggest that A. do not know;
but considered II there was no money offered there
could be no harm DONE Murphy said he did not know
whether that would answer.
O. Then the check not produced on the Saturday
night at allY A. No, sir.
Q. You expecting him on Sunday. then2 A. Yes,
sir be concluded then that promise would not
must be check; do recolect that he stated his
for it, asked him the of his adviser
but understood him that he had conversed with Mr. Her
rick the subject he did not name them think
it Likely might have stated had not much monep in
the house; the check filed up Sunday afternoon
Murphy came on down TO the city and parted from at
not recollect that there any appointment to meet
again. he in the habit of stopping at my place
casionaly to report progress cannot say when next
| saw him; perhaps saw him on Monday am pretty
confident did not attend meeting till after the petition
was coneurred in saw Murphy within week afterwards
at my Office he mad been in the habit of calling there he
spoke to me about my being ~ Herricks house.
When aid you first state to any person that you had
been to Alderman Hercks house with check? A. MUIR
| ply was the first one TOLD.
| O. Whom did you tell next9 A. do not know
~, ,ha' ro slated ~ TO any one ese m wen, before
! no one else present; / made statement
Of in writing; was supepaed before the Grand Jury
The sup ona served on me by officer the Nom
day morning that the indicm found (22d Sep
tmber); lave not now got the supona that was served
on me.
O. From the time that you told Murphy that you had
been to Alderman Herricks house, up to the Time that
nsqs the s q ~ Jury went You t. be
info med any one that you had been to Alderman Her.
| rick? A. No, sir
O. did you know any of the Grand Jury at that time
a. did not; did not know the District Attorney the
Mayor at that time; was IN the Grand Jury room three
meslMace .e ras aay .ne Mayof was pointed gu; 70
| should he wanted again and waited.
| O. The first time you had been in the Grand Jury
ROOM did you state you had been to HerichS A. do
not know how that was think not; gave testi-
mony, but do not tnow the precise nature oft.
Mr.. hall should have objected under ordinary crcum
stances 10 the Of the Grand Jury being made
known, even by witness, but it the gesh1
here he did not think proper to interfere with the OK
animation.
@ When you went back the second time to the Grand
jury who told you all about the check? A. The fore
Q. When did you next zee the Mayor? A At his office.
the day, at err had been in the Grand Jury room
the time Mr. Murphy suggested the idea Of going
to the Mayors Office TO whether Mayor Wood had APP
proved the resolutions Murphy witness there also
think he inside when / WIS called in the second
tme Murphy pointed out Mayor Wood TO me.
Q. When ycu we're before the Grand Jury the second
time, did you decline to give any testimony A. No sir,
to me, stating that compelled TO testify; not
one Of the Grand Jurors; am no. certain it was Wool
ignorance, fer did not know the May from the Dis
tTict Attorney; cannot say which II was; am not
certain whether hat gentleman had spec'acles on
dersood since then that the District Attorney pre-
SENT previous to that had idea that ii was the Mayor
but aiter saw in the newspapers that the District Aor
| ney was there I concluded it might have been him.
O. What did the Mayor shy you in the Officer A.
We enquired whether our petition had been signed and
the Mayor said IL had been, ard the Mayor told me
that This bribery had nothing to do with the validity Of
the resolution the Mayor then sent for Mr. Carter the
foreman Of the Grand Jury and after he came in he Mr.
Carter stated that they had evidence enough convict
me- if did not testify think this after the
sation about signing the resolution.
q. Why did you remaia then? A. The Mayor requested
us TO ~ait Carter had previously stated to something
to the ike effect in The Grand Jury room; he wished
morning and testify; don't know that the Mayor said
anything on The subject think the Mayor stated that
boud he protected If testified against Heick Murphy
and left the Mayors Office together, leaving Carter be-
hind next day went back to the Grand Jury room, and
gave further and other evidence could not say whether
saw Murphy the day the Indictment was found
next day i think Murphy and went to AID TEorrick's
newspaper Office, in Ann street. but cannot tell the day.
do not know who suggested going there Mr. Herrick
and believe Mr.. Ropes his rner, to my Office
the same day, and met Murphy there's they talked toge
Their in my presence.
nl
that you had given the check to Mr.. Herrk get
the resolution signedY A. No, sir he said such
thing.
O. Did Murphy say he was satisfied he did wrongY A.
Ee expressed himself for what had taken place
O. Did he say he thought il Horrc ceased his attacks
on Mayor Wood in the Atlas the whole Indictment uld
be done away withs A. Something like that was said in
| Herrick's Office, but not at my Office.
had been got np to punish Herick for his attacl on
\ Wood in the Aaos A. l did not hear anything like
Q. lid Murphy propose that If Herrick would go and
| the Mayor the whole thing might be settled9 A.
| Nothing OF The kind transpired at my Office.
q What was the object Of going to Ilerrick's of ,eS
A. We both felt sorry for Mr. Herrick's situation and il
anything could be done to bring them to reconciliation
| would do il.
G. Did Murphy there propose that Herrick should 20
TO the Mayors offccf A. ! think not He asked slr.
errick If he would forego his accusations against the
Mayor provided the Mayor would stay proceedings nd
he finally said he would 60 and the Mayor, and
whether anything could be done in that way or not.
Herrick declined the offer and siurphy put the same
question to Mr. Ropes and asked him whether he wond
and see the Mayor and Ropes, think, said he would.
O. Did Herrck say he would have nothing to do W th
the Mayor that he got up the quarrel and had to
fight it out A. No nothing OF that kind Herrck init
mated that he would be willing TO bring matters to a set
tlement after Mr. Ropes consented TO go and the
Mayor, then understood that Herrck offered go also
believe Murphy went to the Mayor left with him.
we parted In Nassau street. at the Park he told he
would go and the Mayor if it not too late and he
| started in the direction ofthe Mayors Office.
O. lid anybody take notes Of your testimony in the
Grand Jury roomy A. l believe
O. Did you state there you did here what trans pred
at Alderman Herrick's houses A. think it contained
nearly the same sentiments.
O. Did you say any thing about this slip Of paper about
\ the cardsS A. I believe did.
q. Did they take note of that A. could not say;
did not tell them that Murphy who dictated H.
DO not know that stated anything at all about John Muir
/ ply he examined before there at all; was
not asked any questions about him. and that is the only
reason told nothing Of him; talked with Murphy be-
fore went into the Grand Jury room; he ha subpoena:
did not know that Murphy had told anybody about this
affair had no suspicion of Mr. Murphy disclosing any
thing after got into the found out that the
Grand Jury knew all about ii but did think Of how