The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1855-12-23

viii tell the gentleman that while do not favor post
fao lawsthat while would not be in favor OF bringing
up the question Of the reorganization OF the Territories AZ
the instance OF any State OF Congress- thereby dsuru
ing vested rghts-s If am called on in this hall by what
believe 10 be the voice OF majority OF the people OF MIR
nesota, Oregon Washington, TO apply the Nebrasha
principle those Territories it shall have my vote BE
ing satisfied that the principle is right say to the gentle
that willing carry this doctrine out whenever
the question in this practically before u.s.
accompany this with the remark that only speak LOT my
self In this matter
Mr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio viii ask the gentleman
from Pennsy whether il is the purpose OF the party
he represents to vote for bill which may be introduced
by gentleman who claims the right to go into any
OF the Territories with slaves and which has tor It's Object
the removal of the provision Of the organic acts OF me Ter
ritories which excludes themF Wi he ana ms party
for that z Say yes or no. ,
Mr. JONES. l cannot answer the question yes or no
want the gentleman deal fairly with me and not TO ask
question with SO long preamble ana requiring 30
short answer.
Mr. CAMPBELL will strike out the preamble, and
put the naked question If my friend from south caro-
lima introduces bill that southern man shall have the
right to go with his slaves into Minnesota, Oregon, and
Washington the right given last session TO go INTO
Kansas and Nebraskaif such bill be introduced ana IL
is put to vote will the gentleman ana the party NC repre-
sents vote for II ~ -.
Mr. JONES will answer the gentleman, if he will al
low authorized to speak for the democratic
party speak for myself and my constituents ana 10
them responsible The national democracy agree III
organic fundamental principles in all else eaoh gem
eman without impeachment exercise ms own a.e o
indulge his fancy am not authorized to speak LOT
the party beyond its public declarations, or 10 say
what they win do but will tell the gentleman what
will do.
Mr. JONES' take the ground that the people OF those
Territories and OF all Territories should have absolute con-
troll this whole matter in framing their o'a'e
tuons and If they elect delegate to this House Oh tha
question Who his place. will ask for it, will vote for IT.
fCries Of That's right and "rhats enough']
Mr.. COX. want to say
Mr. Mt N UGk T.
CAApBEL whether il the people of The Territory OF MIN
nesoa come here and through their delegate, ask him TO
as they please, whether be will vote for that
Mr.. CAMPBELL. No, never, 20 far Ms Know that -
asked by any belonging to the party with wnch
act the South of any from the North But gentle
men seem DESTROYS know what our constitutional
opinions upon the principle OF the Kansas ana NeprHsh
BILL The question asked, do recognise the doc
,rine of squatter Sovereignty
Now understand the doctrine of squatter sovereignty,
as put forth by the gentleman from Kentucky to be this
That Congress conferred upon the people OF the Territory
that soyeregnthat Congress gives to the people Oh inc
Territories the power either to admit exclude slavery
they may think proper How does the gentleman from
Penns, lvania 4 Mr. JONES understand i'll
Mr. JONES' of Pennsylvania. ] am exceedingly sorry
III am not able to make myself understood. the
gentleman that il is not from want OF desire or eiort
do upon my part have looked over the printed re-
marks of the gentleman from Kentucky made the oher gay
in connexon with my own and there correctly made
that with his construction ana DO not rec
ognse squatter sovereignty at all as defined by the gentle
MT.
answer To my question: that he did believe Congress
had the power confer upon the inhabitants OF Terri
tory the right either abolish establish slavery there
prior the formation of State constitution hat gen.
eman understood say that concurred with him in
that opinion, and SO said.
Mr. cox / understood the gentleman from Pennsylva-
mia take the position that Congress has no power to
confer upon the people of any Territory the power either
abolish establish slavery there and that the people
of the Territory did not possess that right naturally
understood the gentleman and for that reason asked
m q | understood
Mr.. JONES. ! SO intended to be understood, but the
gentleman has not gone far enough.
Mr.. cox. Does the gentleman from Pennsylvania be-
eye that Congress has power to confer upon the peo-
pie of Territory the power to establish slavery.
Mr.. JONES If the gentleman win allow me, will ex-
plain my position fully. will answer his question. The
question pu: to the other day by the gentleman from
Ohio Mr. GIDDisas Do you believe Congress pos
the power declare freedom in Kansas Territory
Mr. GIDDlNGS said restore freedom.
Mr.. JONES Very well; restore freedom answered
this question then but will tell the gentleman again ex-
acy what do believe believe the whole power OF this
Territory while remains in b terrific
rial condition. grows of the proprietary right OF the
government landed propreio. under the constitution
and believe that Congress has the power to confer upon
the people Of Territory the right TO egisate upon the
subject slavery when they forming their organic law
preparatory its admission into the Union as sovereign
State but prior to that time they have no right either TO
establish abolish slavery Congress cannot confer IT for
Mr. cox understand the gentleman perfectly, far
that is concerned Now, let me ask The gentleman
another question.
Mr.. JONES' One word more if my honorable friend
from Kentucky will allow believe the general gov
eminent has power to confer upon the people OF Ter
rtory jurisdiction upon the subject Of slavery to its
establishment or abolition under the constitution except
be exercised In way, and that way is, as have
said through their organic law when they come and ask
admission into the Union. Congress has power over
the subject except landed proprietor; and in virtue
of that power they have right make general regua-
ons touching the existence of slavery That is posi-
ton upon the subject and hope am understood
Mr.. COX. understand the gentleman perfectly And
now will the gentleman pardon for asking him another
question desire to know whether the gentleman be-
eves that the laws established by the Legislature OF the
Territory OF Kansas are under the constitution of the
United States null and void
Mr.. JONES' Certainly will the question, and
think what have already said must make my opinion
evident upon that question have said already that IN
my opinion the constitution limits the power OF Con-
gress to the extent of prohibiting it either from estab-
fishing of aboshng slavery in the Territories. Ad-
hitting that view to be correct, suppose 1t follows ms
of that the constitution of the United
right dspossess any Of his property whether be
slave any other property and therefore, the legislative
council OF Territory, though they may pass laws regua-
ting the disposal and protection of property have right
to enact administer laws either to establish or
abolish the right to hold that property whether slave or
not The constitution recognises slaves property and
o sovereign State alone divert it.
Mr.. cox. understand the gentleman then, saying
that the laws of Kansas far the establishment of the
right property in slaves is concerned he
statesman aud lawyer void. So far merely making
rules and regulations for the of that property
is concerned they have the right to make laws but not
establish the right OF ownership TO such property.
understand the gentleman however, that by the
constitution of the United States, Congress having no
over the eubiec Of defining is nd what NOT