The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1855-02-22

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But has constantly abused rs constitution regards
the officers; and here may say that was sorry TO
the noble earl 5ne oInsr nsns make some
tary clubs in town. The noble esxl supposed to
found fault with the officers Of the army thinking them
confess, cannot understand how any man can nnd
fault with the regments officers or the army for il ap
their
but also carrying out their administrative duties faith
fully and well under the most painful circums.ances
Journal to which am referring, and which believe
has such influence with the government the song has
tuition Of the army too arstocratis that the reg
msnts are given TO the sristoacy that the arso
crazy swarm in the army, and that that is the fault
tunes which have to lament. Now my lords before
you enter into argument It s certainly your duty to
opponent. At the present moment am under as.
Guilty, which to understand what the ournalin ques-
ton means by the word .srstocratic The word has
volution under the Reign Of Terror every man was
aristocrat who wore pair Of brooches laughter);
who we're decentiy dressed but it Was always main.
tanned snofensve term In that country during that
period and person had only to be pointed out 70 the
summarily dealt with What, then, does the Times
by the terms Does 1t mean, when IL speaks Of
IONS and brothers Of peers, That Is tSs common &C.
ceptatop Of the term because to 60 into the mobility Of
ancient families and trace distant reIat,onshps would
be quite impossible In such . case. take leave
to suppose, then, that the Times means by the aris
tocrasy the peerage.their sons and their brothers
terdsy-is that Lord Somebody (taey give nicknane)
ia able 60 into regiment and buy himself from one
rank to the other and not only but any number Of
and see the case Stood and whether the army really
swarms as is said, with your lordships and broth
regiment which stood on the t~the Grsnsdisr Guards
consisting Of three bataiions and numbering about
one hundred officers took the period whom forces
N Eaa
was, therefore, Of May last. find that out OF above
one hundred officers in her Maestys First Grenadier
Guards only eighteen were at all connscted with your
which do not think win be considered very great AMI
oisproportioDate number in regiment particularly
chy. (Hesr) Isay, do not think there Is anything
striking or alarming in such proportion Well went
and took the first ten regiments Of pth and
Sir JAS Kemp now unfortunately, more, who
tanly Of the most distinguished officers ever seen
the humblest order Of the people Well IL tbs rssi-
ment comprising two battaliops how many pe,rs and
sons and brothers Of peers One In the I'd
regiment OF the limo there was oue in the 3d. none In
the h none in the 9TH none; in the 9Th, none and in
the It'll there four And now with respect the
q oss e' a
Alma, and who 40 when he met with his death on
the field Of battle In the 8th regiment there
one and in the 10th one that in the first ten reg
ents OF the line there were only seven sons or brothers
Of peers connected with your lordshps House In the
first seven regm nts Of heavy dragons there only
three such officers and In the Ia st ten regiments Of in
fantry there were still feweronly Ave brothers
OF peers. This thiok, Is sufficient to SHOW that, IL
right in supposipg the Times to mean BY the words
aristocracy Of England the blood relations of your
lordships there never was mtsrep esentation
made before the face OF any country; and they argue
that the army is to be reformed and improved by
any change which may Danish these few men from
people they address and he government who lay pos
sibly put faith In their representations Hear Bat
appears that it is not the infantry other regiments
which may or may not have officers belonging to tho
ari, tocracy which want reform There are other de.
parments There the MEDICAL and the commssariat
to 81
be- auss know that pressure win BE- put upon the
portant Office Of Secretary for War and have the eore
ventuIed ON the frst day Of his appearing In this
that the noble lora SSsn he 10 make shoss
important reforms In the constitution of the army
which are undoubtedly necessary and which should be
tronage Of the army the hands Of the crown and that
&c s ns s
meeting those difficulties with which he will certainly
have to cope. and which than myself hopes
and trusts he viii successfully overcome Hear hear
Lord PAsNuRE assured their lordshps of tbs devotion
with which he should enter the discharge OF his
duties as MlDister Of War, and
Their lordships then adjourned till this day week.
The House OF Commons in Committee of Supply, voted
the sum OF 600 on account OF navy estimate in
excess Of expenditure for 18t4-'55.
Mr.. W. Williams inveghed against the gross misman
and waste Of money in the departments of ad
mn s1an n the C%es no considered that
The report was agreed to.
Colonel sIy1HoRP some observations strongly con-
denatoy 0 the conduct Of the government With refer
ence to the VIII.
MT. G Butt expressed hope that tn. Chancellor Of
the Exchequer would verify BY producing official re-
turn his to the effective force of the British
n TUuV IN
Nj s. woRTIEY appealed to the House whether any
advantage could arise from repeating day after day,
dtion Of our army and which he believed we're gross OK
apgerations.
Mr. BALIIE justified these iuterogations of the gov
ernment after voluntary statements had been made by
Min which incompatible with private reports
Lord RUSSELL cid not wonder that the honorable ADD
learned gentleman (Mr. Wortley) wished to deprecats
discus sons on this subject at the same time in con-
sequence Of the statements commonly put FORTH he did
not wonder that honorable gentlemen should ask for
dGeren which there stated to be between the
dparily circulated and the official statements. The
statement usually put forth was that there we're
IL 000 effective bayou cts before Sebasopo while it
was admitted that 81 600 men had been seat OUT and
then it sad how Is ii possible having sent out
54,CC0 that there only remain 12,000Y The House
ought TO know that this was not fair comparison II
they took 0 the SIDE they ought not TO take
000 the otter for the "a 600 included every
military man, all the cavalry, all the artillery every
commissioned and commissioned officer, ry man
under arms, and every orderly employed in hospital
any duty and when they had taken away
all the cavalry, all the artillery every commissioned
and commissioned officer, and all who might be
poyed any other duty, they would have residue Of
from 900 to TO- 600 men under arms evident,
then that the comparison usually made not fair
one, fer II all these men were added In the OF
81 600 they ought also to be include the o.ner sde
and then with the cavalry, artillery and officers, IL
would be found that they had army Of from % to
80 oO0mep. He did not wonder at the mistake that
usually made but still 1t mistake and he thought
that the country and the House ought that the
statement incorrect The state OF the troops had
been very lamentaoe, and II impossible bat that
every in that house must feel deeply for them. At
the time he must say that yesterday he civil
liam who had just returned from the Crtmea and he
asked him whether tne troops we're emac,ated aud
fallen in strength, and he answered that great many
were, but that with regard to large portion Of
the army-those who had strong consttu .ons--they
seemed In possession vi their strength ready 70 per-
form any military duty. (Hear) It might be said
that the number Of the troops small for
such under' aking, bat they must r,collect
that theirs was not the only army before Sebas-
fnnnl hut That there were. including their alea