New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1855-06-08

Lord John RUSSELL after acknowledging the fairncsa
| with which Mr.. Gladstone had argued the question,
and contrasting the spirit Of his speech with that Of Mr.
| Dirraeli's observed that tho question whethex
or not the immediate danger being waried or We were
to seek security for The future and so, in what that
security should consist. Mr. Gladstone had in the
proposition of Russia upon the third article fulbneut
of H. but in his opinion 10 accept security 80 futile
and nugaiory that offered by Russia in both the first
/ and second propositions would have been atteapt
TO deceive Europe in manner quite unworthy
I of England and France. The Russian prepondersnce
in the Black Sea next TO the Russian occupation
OF the Principates, the greatest danger with which
| Turkey was threatened. He entered then upon q
defence Of his proceedings az rhe Conferences IN reply
to Mr. Disrae observing that upon the lhiri Point &c
was necessary 20 consider the whole OF the important
question whether bounds should not DC pat TO tho
progress of Russia and in what mannera diic alt prob
m ,osolve and concerning which he had conferred with
Iah authorities. He drew picture OF the enormous
power secret and patent OF Russis aud OF me influence
she lad gained over Turkey-nhucnce, he observed,
Which ii prudently used. was sufficient 10 give 10
Russia PREDOMINANT centro over the councils OF tho
Porte He Justified the declaration which he had
made at the Conference respee,mg me spna ions, |"
positions should not only BE- eompaiibe with me
honor of Russia but consistent with the security OF
Europe insisting, however Una, naI,au9a o. INC
sable 10 tie security of Constantnope and that l,s
rejection by Russia was sure indication oil her de-
signs uron that city. II had been SAID that AustHS
had not given all tie support she mlgnt Dur, az
Gar a. The Conferences went she had supported the
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Allies He could not say that Austria was prepared
20 take an immediate part in the war with Russia
but there many very powerful inoG'eS WHICH ,n-
fuenced her 10 endcayor 10 MAINTAIN peace hF
encaoenents with us however were such, that II the
war continued he believed that she would ultimately
take part in the war and he was sure that the parS
she had already played would never be forgotten by
The debate was then adjourned and renewed next
day, when -. -
Mr. Rounded Palmer advocate for peace, re-
hot hfa urfy n
fional humiliation ard at the same time deprecated
the aupeals so unjusty made to the spirit OF ven
oeance or the vangorous desire for military rumphs
n order to stimulate the House ara country 10 prose
cute the war. Laying down the principle that war
could only be usfabe while II was waged for street
~ defensive purposes he remarked that neither Mr.
DisIaei the Government, though Opposed on an
ronts 10 one another had pretended TO defend TIC
war in its present plan upon that basis The assumed
object for which commended, namely, the integrity
of Turkey was not TO he secured by lighting, out oy
renovation of the internal system OF that empire ana
bv educating the Turks into civilization, order ana in
dependence. -.,
lord Stanley apprehended that the real purpose and
copo;tion of the war much misludged. Nomin-
ally il was agreed that the war was altogether deiens-
i've and designed merely to protect Turkey from ag-
cression but ifths circumscnbed object were reazei
by TIE public hc doubted whether the military spirit
d'eplavcd now throughout the country wouhi De long
maintained Yet what other object could we propose
as the end Of hostiltsl We We're notJusuhed IN emu
barking upon war of nationalties; we had abluret
the idea of disnembering or even GRIPPING Russia.
Nothing was before to accomplish but to secure tue
INDEPENDENCE of Turkey, except perhaps vague q :.
sire to humble adversary. After remarkng az
some length the entanglements into wmeh the
country Ind been drawn he declared his opinion that
If tho British Government had boldly spoken out at
the beginning the war would never have broken out;
and thinking that tho charge OF amolguty ana incoa-
the resolution of Mr.. Disraeli, involving distinct
Ger sure on the administration.
Mr. Layard in the course of some personal explana-
tions stated that lis own motion was delayed but not
WITHDRAWN and would be brought forward on the first
supply night after the reces. Briefly alluding to the
origin of tie war and to the capital mistakes commit
ted at the outset, among which he ncuded the iiad
yised declaration that retrenchment would be per-
mted frsm the territorial integrity of Russia, the hon.
orable member passed on to the Conferences, and
sketched the purport and the effect OF the several
points which there underwent discussion Upon all tho
noints he commended that our negoator had been ba
He'd and hoodwinked. On the First Polnt-the Prin-
cipaties-be had consented TO terms which allowed
Russia and Austria TO dominate over the internal id
mnistraiion of Serva and Nalachia. On the Second
which set free the navigation of the Dannbe, nothing
was obtained except what Russia was already bound
concede by existing treaties. These points, he re-
marked, supposed to have been satisfactorily
fettled. On the Third Point-the abrogaton of Rus
ian preponderance in the Black Seattle Confer
,nces were broken off, but from minute review Of
the discussion far il went, Mr.. Layard concluded
hat no concession had been wrung from Russia, and
that Lord John Russell had altogether mistaken the inn
port Of past treaties and missed his way TO practical
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quinuple protectorate whcht proposed establish
in Turkey, declaring that both the Christians and ttp
MOslem population would wither under disastroug
protection. II the propositions of the Western Powers
had been at accepted he pointed out that Turkey
would have been deeply injured and the ambitious
views of Russia largely advanced. Turning TO the
existing state of aifas, he urged that at the present
moment the beligerent powers had suffered enormous
sacrifices Oh all sides, leaving to Austria the Who'll
profit accompanied by none Of the loss sustained in
| The contest We were now committed to the cause
and coud not draw back without sacrificing the homo
of England in Europe and the prestige which held to
getber the British Empire in the East Abiding TO the
speech of Lord John RUSSELL he euogized the promise
az yigor and administrative reform which contained
but could find no proof that it expressed the sincere
and united conviction Of the Cabinent. Denouncing
half and half measures, Mr.. Layard complained that
nothing like definite and consistent purpose was ap-
parent on either side of the House. The country, he
believed was heartily weary of vacllation and imbe.
city and sick not of the war, but OF those who had
| conducted il so ineiiciently
Lord Palmerston urged that the motion which had
been proposed TO the House represented very made-
ouaiey the great question which they were called upon
TO discuss A Government at such crisis should DO
Judged by its conduct but the present resolutions
dwelt upon nothing but its language, which was stg.
matted as being inconsistent and ambiguous. Deny,
ing the Justice of this charge in the abstract, he
cepted the motion of censurc, and challenged
the judgment Of Parliament on the issue. Passing 10
the general question: Lord Palmerston observed that
II was now unnecessary 10 vindicate the Justice Of the
or the policy by which it was commenced. Con-
Tossing the existence Of some imperfectons and the
commission of many faults in detail he defended the
conduct of the war, especially regarded the Crmeas
expedition and the management of the negotiations, IN
which lie observed no undue or nexpedlent advantage
had been given to Austria. SO far from beng en-.
bauassed by the Austrian connection, the Allies hN
derived much benefit from IT, the Turkish
forces under Omer Pacha had been liberated or
active service, and vast Russian force kept o.