Daily American organ. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1856, 1855-09-04


with you that 1t was at party given by one OF
the members Of the Cabinet in Madrid; that the
Nuncio came up 10 you stated TO you the iacs OF
Mr.. Campbell, a Catholic, being member OF MT.
Pierce's Cabinet, and expressed his gratncatioh
tat his Church was so strong and influential 10 the
United States as TO obtain such an honor
did not consider this conversation between you
aud me ms confidential or as qudsi-conhdentai.
smoke of il often in the course OF conversation
With many persons-and spoke Of II publicly in
n speech in Richmond On my return from Phil
alelphia in June, | saw you in Baltimore, at Bar
NUNS Hotel then said TO you that had spoken
publicly of what you had said to me, in regard to
the remarks of the Pope's Nuncio, about the APP
pointment of NJ. Campbell in Mr.. Pierces Cabinet
las did not consider 1t at all private or conn,
dsntial You replied certainly IL was not. ana
then went on to state the terms IN whicn hau
related 1t and said 10 you wished TO De cor
rect about it, as i should probably speak OF It
again. You said i had given it correctly-and
then repeated the circumstances, under which the
conversation with the Nuncio occurred--and what
he had said to you, viz: that before you mad re-
ce,yed any information in regard to Mr.. Pierce's
Cabinet, before it was known in Madrid, and was
a matter of doubt and conjecture, he 1.-THE Nuncio)
stated to you that Campbell OF PENNSYLVANIA, a
Catholic was member Of 1t. You said nothing
of the date of this conversation, whether 1t was
before the 4th Of March 1858, or after that time.
True, the impression left on my mind, by the CON
yersation with you was, that il was before the 4th
of March but never so stated in any pubic
speech have made--for did not then, nor DO
now. think that makes any sort Of difference
Whether before or after the 4th of March, mat
tered not with me for the point which always
made in abiding to it was, that the Popes Nuncio
being put in possession OF the information, before
the United States minister had heard OF it, and
before the public in Madrid had received the news,
was humlating reflection to every patriotic
American; and afforded proof that the bargain
had been agreed on before the election, and that
the bargain had been fulfilled.
In your letter TO Mr.. Ellis and myself you con.
firm the statement as had given it, In your let
ter to me Of July 9th you say" before had any
authentic and certain news OF the formation OF tue
Cabinet and while i was still subject OF conec-
ture al the court of Madrid he 1.-THE Popes Nuncio)
told me that Judge Campbell OF Pennsylvania, was
appointed, and that he was Catholic, which was
the first information / had either Of his appoint
inent or his religion"
IN your letter to Mr. Ellis of July 23d, you say
Before had any certain news of the formation
of the Cabinet, and while its constitution was still
ia doubt and the subject of conjecture in the pub,
lie mind at Madrid, he 1.-THE Pope's Nuncio) told me
that Mr.. Campbell was appointed, and that he was
a Catholic, which was the first information | had
of either"
I do not know in what exact words was re-
ported in the newspapers having referred to this
matter in my speech in Washington; to which re-
port presume Mr.. Ellis referred, when abiding
10 il in his 4th of July Grafton OF the several pub
lie addresses / delivered at the North never saw
the reporters notes of one, before going TO the
press-and they were so badly reported las must
suppose necessarily be the case, in the confusion
attending these mass meetings and the hurry OF
getting them to prcss) that / soon ceased giving
myself any concern about them.
Inasmuch as the anti American press has en-
!eavored u evade the force of this statement OF
mine fully confirmed and sustained by you) by
contemplate bubble as to whether the Nuncio's
communication to you was before or after the 4th
of March--and inasmuch as you differ with Mr..
Ellis and myself in regard to the impression you
had al The time Of the Nuncio's communication,
and the impression we have ,,o'c, the duty owe
myself, as well as the duty owe the American
cause and to Mr. Ellis, my personal friend, requires
that should appeal to you, to your sense OF jus
tice. as well as Of generosity, TO calmly review
with me the circumstances, the history Of this mat
ter-to request OF you that you will refresh your
memory in regard to the minute details and let us
zee If we cannot by process of fair logical de-
duction, arrive at a conclusion little different
from that which, in the unwlingness of your kind
nature TO judge harshly in any quarter, you may
have arrived, al the time Of your conversation with
the Nunco.
In the first place, you say the communication
was made 10 you by the Pope's Nuncio, "before
you had any certain news Of the formation of the
Cabinet and while its constitution was still 10
doubt and the subject Of conjecture in the public
mind at Madrid Let 1t be recollected there is no
Geographic communication between the United
States and Europe consequently, the news could
not have been transmitted in that way. IL could
not have been first carried by a sailing vessel for
the steamers far surpass them in speed. There
are no steamers plying the Atlantic but the
regular Ocean mail steamers--therefore, the news
must have been carried by some one of them
Is il reasonable to suppose that after the forma-
ton Of the Cabinet the first steamer that left the
country should have carried but one letter, or but
one newspaper, containing so important piece OF
news as this-and that this one letter, or news
paper, should have been sent to the Pope's
Nunco, aloneY / suppose no sane man would
contend for such an explanation as this. We
must take IL for granted them that the news OF the
construction Of Mr.. Perce's Cabinet was first car
ried to Europe, by one Of the regular Ocean mail
steamers-and that the steamer that carried out
the news took the information in divers letters and
newspapers, and to divers persons, yourself (thc |
minister representing our country among others.
In the nature of things them in the name Of reason
ask how could the Popes Nuncio have stated il |
as fact, when, as you admit, ii was still in /
doubt and the subject Of conjecture in the public
mind unless the knowledge had been commune
Gated 10 him before the Cabinet was formedY
There Is but one possible state Of facts by which |
such conclusion may be avoided II the mails
containing the news happened to reach Madrid on
the very evening the Nuncio made the communi.
cation TO you--and he happened to open bis mail
aid read before going to the minister's party, and
you did not-wby then, on meeting at the said
party, an hour OF 20 afterwards, he might be be-
fore you in having the information. And il is on
this point that request You to try and refresh |
your memory. Did the news reach Madrid that
night, and was Il known there publicly next morn
Ing, and no longer " in Doubt and the subject Of
conjecturef" But, again-dd the Nuncio mention
10 you the names OF any other members Of the |
Cabinet? ] take II for granted, you inquired Of
him, Il you supposed no was speaking from |
authentic information. If he did not Il proves
tlat he knew nothing Of the names OF the other
inembors for, IL bis object was simply to give you
a piece of information in regard to your own
country, which he bad the good fortune to get
hold OF before you he would certainly, as an act Of
social courtesy, have given you the names OF all
the Cabiuetp
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