New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1854-06-27

may grow on, al This appropriation intending % tepy !"
the close of the debate 20 such objections - a! Dc ~,
senied by gentlemen oppressed 10 the bill. hav. mover
tho ndm.ni it il now in order to debate the h' avn
,eld the floor ie other gentlemen.
MIR. JONES Tenn i want TO make one motion
do expect to make speech the BILL but now sun
init the motion 10 strike out the onactng clause OF ~ aot
with any If defeating the measure for expect 10
for IT, bat in order that other motions may u
mnds until get through with IT, said that expected
10 vote for this bill not however because pe%V. ,n
nm bound 10 vote the money because the Pres lent anu
Senate of the United States have made treaty wish Mex
co in which it promised 10 be paid that nIlon. en-
terrain such doctrines. hold that ain "a free iht
every member of this BODY and that the Hous. Itself u
ioe in voting Ss BILL to re- eci IT, the treaty docs
Lot meet their APPRECIATION, a. 10 REJECT the MOI u:Ine
Congress shan vote for IT, not in consideration 81 me
small amount of land that 20 get but because tae
treaty ahrogacs the eleventh article Of the treaty OF ne-
dalupe Hdago Of February lsi- aud releases u RON al
the obi cations real and supposed and all me aPphcans
and hGrassmens for depredGiions comm tied by the In
dnns from our side of the line u 10 &c, cleaI % our
obligations under the eleventh article Of that treaty OF
Is4. thai shall vote for this BILL and not because feel
myself OF all bound to do it because the treaty ha' been
made.
/ Mr. BENTON-Whcn the Federal Government was
framed Patrick Henry objected to the Constitution the
ground that the powers of the purse and sword were gwen
to the Executive. lie the unlimited power of rais
ing money and navcs and armies and felt alarmed for the
possible consequences. If these two greal powers to
sip away from the many 10 the few, and to 90 into the
hands of the President then there danger of Ienry
sprrehersons being realised He had been accustomed
/ 10 hear il said by aged that it lusory power
granted 10 Congressional the real power was granted to
the Executive WHO conducts our foreign negoatlons-who
| quarrels or not, and when he does quarrel, Our
people will fight, so that consider the power of
! the sword which Patrick Henry dread as having
passed awey from Congress. With respect to
The mower Of the purse, have constitutional clause
which confdes TO this body the power 70 originate burdens
on the people. Where did we get it From the British
! Constitution-from Magma Chartal No. The British
Government got from their Saxon ancestors who car
ried il to Britain from Germany The English have VEN
Grated this privilege and their House of Commons alone
has imposed burdens the people IL IL the PRIDE, boast
and glory of England that she has always preserved IT, He
referred to history in proof Of this fact SO help HIM God
he knew nothing worth saving in the Constitution the
President and Senate take when they please money
from the people they propose by this bill Ii anything
he could say could induce the representatives OF the people
10 think on this subject he should consider il Of the
glorious days OF his political life and should rejoice
in the circumstance which brought him here this day to
plead the privileges OF the people ana the Constitution
10 plead for the only thing which being lost there
nothing in the Constitution worth preserving The contest
of 1870 between Charles the First and the British Para
ment which broueL the overthrow OF the Monarchy
was the identical which they have before them
He referred to treaties in former days 10 show the action
of he Uouse on such subjects contendng that when
treaty acts on matters within the Legislative power OF the
House tina. very moment the right OF the House attaches
and which has the authority and II becomes its duty TO
examine into all the circumstances and consider the cx
pedency inexpediency OF the treaty itself precisely az
the public good requires The less power the President
and Senate have and the more power the people have
the better Jefferson thought for the Government and the
people The message of the President lately commune
Gated precluded the House from the power of acting
the treaty. The message nothing III the world but
demand for our check for $4,000 COO and that brief
notice, and without any days OF grace Give me the
money BY tomorrow. This is like the hghwaymans com
mand Stand and deliver The President says he must
have the money without giving reason or reasons
We are to 90 blind and do what he calls TO do be-
cause he says ii is necessary lie eohsideTsd 's hl!n
invasion Of the privileges Of the House The President
first undertakes negotiate treaty without consulting
the House the burdens TO be imposed on the people
having done this TO deprive them OF the power OF say
inc Ven as
sends here treaty. and such treaty as II Is II gives
$40 600 600 for mere sewage of territory. Robert j.
Walker has Just informed the world that before he heard
of the Gadsdcn Treaty he paid only $500 for the prv
lege Of making a railroad through chihuahua and Sonora
while we are pay $40 0Oo 1would be curse TO us
have such territory man resided on poor piece OF
ground friend who stad all night with him. next day
seeing him looking on the poverty-stricken country
/ thought he could define what was In his mind But
/ the proprietor said: Il ain not so poor as you
"hink | am; ! don't all this poor land
lIaughter.l And this is what we may say OF mat
Godstricken country through which the treaty
proposes the railroad shall pass Kit Carson says wolf
cannot make his meat there. (Iaugher The report is
scientific corps. II be West Point science, for who
else could think of putting national railroad outside OF
nroect IT, PUTIN il outside OF the United States so that
the enemy may cut II up when he pleases laughter'
As to the Mesa Valley that question was decided under
President FiIlmore's administration. The orator then
commented several points in the new treaty saying BY
we get rid of the eleventh article OF the treaty OF
Guadalupe Hdalgo, but we are not bound to pay one
strike il out because he foresaw that would give rise TO
quarres; he had idea, however that bill would be
rendered against us for expenses we were only 10 use
force if necessary, to prevent Indian ncursons from
our side of the line He was against giving OOOoo1
for n route for railroad outside of the ned States and
against involving ourselves with private railroad specu
laors. a.,
Mr. CAMPBELL raised question of order, that Mr.
Jones of Tenn could not move to strike out the enacng
clause of the bill and during the debate on this point
several gentlemen argued as if snap judgment was TO be
taken the opponents of the in the case OF
/ the NebraskaKansas bill. The point was withdrawn
with notice that should be renewed in of ecessity
Mr.. BAYLY remarked, when he obtained the floor, he
felt like the ancient navigator crying out ltala; but
what was his surprise when he thought he was IN sight OF
land he was met by some small obstacles IN MS pam IN
Guiding the point of order. The gentleman from Missouri
had referred England and France and to the practice
of other powers the continent OF Europe, relative 20
treaty making The gentleman, however with all his
learning and intelligence, had fallen into great inconss
ences He said the English Crown never undertakes to
burden the people without consulting the Commons-and
SO as 10 France The gentleman would ecoec the treaty
which Mr. Ryes negotiated with France where the Crown
agreed 10 paw this Government certain monies without
consulting the Chamber of Deputies jackson made a
uont with the French Government, and on that occasion
he had no ADLER defender than the gentleman from Mis-
souri, that the Chamber of Deputies was bound to make
the appropriations though was not consulted IN advance
Yet the gentleman comes here and in the fullness
of the information which he possesses tells us that
appropriations are made, iii advance OF the execution
OF treaties Mr.. Bayly went TO refer 10 and answer
other parts Of Mr. Bentons speech lie Venurel 10 say
Jefferson never thought appropriation by Congress
enlarged his powers under the Constitution 10 uet iO me
ACQUISITION of Louisiana. He thought that within the
subere of their respective orbits each department OF this
Government can act without reference TO the other Con-
eres has the power to withhold appropriations. As to
whether il shah be done depends on circumstances W men
treaty has been made by the President and twothrds ot
the the appropriation ought not TO be Withheld eA-
cont in papable and barbarous disregard OF the
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