New-York daily tribune., 1854-08-26

trovgh, ito the pegotiaon They i1:nated 70 ne :. ne
lin the; hey could get il extended IN SPITE Of ne
e.a Agaa-I think within the frst hoGr Of by srrV-e
me. in ,ls bsTis Of the hotel Me-. Levin former n n
hsr az Cougress from Penn ylylnia lie T-ed ~ sooN
NV business and think he 4rked, he pres vas
on n.tept busness. can remember the ~hole c'l's.
ss,;dn He almost Immediately asked ne # 1sd any n
t.r,s. in the Colt patent think remark ID to MIN IA
had no direct interest in thai but ha; had 10 one EnH
s. very likely 10 pass if they could pas that lie
a.. 40, "a oppose that he had contingent fee depeni
snt upon is pas-sge. refused 10 let hin know "naI ny
determinations would be IN the matter. rather asoc4
commu nicsiing my views 10 Mr. Levin, er '
ufttlon and vievs had known him on previous &C
csson 10 have been very active for The patent an
asoIisic nine here, and 10 DC employed a. supp'
IN FHtmy-I told him had personal hostility to
Nr Colt but opposed to the extension OF those paI
teHar patents tbs besides being opposed to their eNen
SION Mr. Dckerson was my bltterest enemy anu e9nei
for the COooy ear party while had any pending lltss-
ton with them that i should in duty % myself Oppose
tLem and expose them wherever could to deea' tneu
Nore # the Lester Wrte-s-Secres of TINT and other
TTadg-Ihsd friends in " sshingon some OF whom
were correspondents Of newspsper' All the letters WIZ
which bad any connection Tor p1Oheauon "ele "llt1en
by uyse with the exception OF which Was furnished
me wiboa, request, by Mr. Hartman. The clreumstan
ces of that letter something Ike these: Mr. Ham
nan had been for many years occasionally borrowing
small SUMS Of money from me- and aiding me in whatever
way lie could 20 vance my Interests in Washington ana
on the occasion referred 20 wrote letter think m my
room which al the time writing, supposed ne IN
tended send off himself lie suggested It M sh require
NY Endorsement 10 get II IN me Nrr-IOrk HrdH, a. ne
was correspondent Of that paper. Mr. simonton
DO not recoect 10 have requested TO write or 10 haze pro-
cured him to write any letters on the subject Dasng
the winter when this ubjee; egilat think told
BIN and Yr Hartman both that would reward them tn
tie best Of my ability if they would expoe be laets aoolt
The oil psol paebt. The exact understanding which
tLev nil l have received 10 Dot recolect. Upon
reflection cont think ths- any understanding with
Mr. Smon'on. Mr. S,nOntcn informed me that he nah
opposed and exposed the measure without consultation
with any one because be considered wrong and that ne
had written letters against i but this some time after
the letters had been written. expressed M thsnAs 20
him. | co not recollect now that ever PAID MIN any
II oney as letter writer. held with Hr. hesa once Or
twice brief conversanon the subject OF these patent
e1fei ons did not employ him or pay hun sny money
and So far my interview with hun is concerned there
was nothing very definite took place that nov recoect
OIL think that had been informed previous TO seeing
him that he in favor Of the extenson The conver-
saiion with Mr. Brega eher IN the month OF DeceH
Der January, 1894. There other leer-wrters
and newspaper people, who were aO attorneys for b1
Dess in NashiI gon; hut do not remember during the
time refer TO, de eber and January last OF havog
employ them for the purpose named in the question: nor
any 10 cefeal the extension Of the patent by writing
Letters Indeed do not know of any ooHtrat made by
me with any eiterwrer TO defeat the bI for the exien
sion o; Colts patent; but ought TO say that number Of
gentle men ia Washington who sometimes write letters,
Od friends OF mne expressed desire 10 aid me IN ay
proper Efforts TO advance my int, rests. had in years
Jast paid small of money these parties, aud |
asked them TO help me- but there was bargain made
Question by Mr.. ZOlco1er-What was your precise en-
gsgenent with Mr.. Hartmann and how much did you
offer hlm
Answer-I had no precise engageG ent; do not re-
member any precise offer; don think made him any.
Before | arrived in New York, one Of my counsel,
George Clifford, had left communication with my clerk,
to the effect that Mr. Dickerson wished to have personal
interview with Within two or three days called al
Clifford Office; lie informed that +. n. DickersOn
wanted me- lett the impression that the rubber
people wanted to settle with me, although he WAS not
authorized say he advised to Mr. Dickers0n
from Clifford Office TO Dickersons Office, with
the iu impression that they desirous of arranging
terms, presumlng as matter OF course, Mr. Dickerson
well knew the purpose had in calling upon hun. When
i arrived al Dckersons office Dade some remarks to
tie ee CT that old opponents would sometimes get together
lie very civil and asked me to sit down. After few
preliminary remarks, he asked what was TO be done
said TO him the very first step the very first thing to be
done 10 The serrices Of hat dozen Of the best
and influential eOrTesBoNdeats IN Washington, nth
contingent zee Of at least 81 900 each, which he must pay;
sta cd knew strong who were against hiIa on
the extensions, ana some Of them my fact friends
and without first securing their services, and making
nmeo provision it would in my judgment be useless
attempt go further as with their opposition nothing
coud be He said that could ali be arranged
he said he could give his own paper, and If necessary
oher security. told him II did not concern me how thai
was arranged il should be satisfactory 10 them then
proceeded say that The Jersey suit must be discontinued
and sufficient bonds and securty given ne that should
moi be harassed any more that subject, and pro-
ceodng speak Of the sulphur patent when he for the
first tie minated doubt Of bis power in the premises
and informed me he not clothed with authority TO ne
gctiee about the rubber patents or to that effect but he
was willing pay and he offered TO pay largely
if would cease opposing Colts patent extension, aud
procure the agency vi my friends in his favor There wa
something sand about a condition If the Colt patent was
not extended declined any arrangement Of the kind
unlets the whole controversy was 10 be settled
The conversation in the cars in an ordinary tone al
times somewhat excited, and almost entirely OF
controversial character arguing and maintaining the
justice Of my positions in the controversy in which he had
been 20 long opposed TO me- and he OF his course and that
of the Goodyear party The subject OF Colts extension
of the sulphur patent extension, and very many Other
things, spoken Of criticised his course at Wash
ngton. attempted to show him the folly of his system
OF giving dinners and champagne saPpcrs at Pnb'c
hOti IN opinion rery improper and stdioD rag
Of carrying bill through Congress. spoke of the efiOr
be had made before Congress the year previous to gel
some legislation increasing the powers of the Circuit
Judges matter where was the object to be reached
by the legislation, far he concerned. The con
versaton on the whole was such as would naturally ARISE
between irrated opponents contestants There wa
some other conversation which don think wonld be
pertinent TO the inquiry at ALL Before entering Phlade
phia parted with him. | think Mr. Kelly must have
heard much if not ell conversation. Ihave spoker
TO MIR. Kelly since on the subject have any rscoec
tiOn Of having had any conversation with Mr. Dckersor
| since that time
Question by Mr.. Zollicofer-Who were the half dozer
correspondents named between you and Mr.. DckersOn
and wbat information had you as to the compensation
which would their services who were the strong
men of whom you speak
Answer prefer not to that question. Their,
are two Of the number whom now recoect; but unles
actually required by law prefer not to give the
The Committee unanimously ordered that the question
be answered.
Answer eOnsinued-l think named, in part of my
| conversation with Mr. Dickerson, Mr.. Kingman, Mr
| McCrae, and MIR. Hartman ! dom think gave h'
names of many persons. do not remember th
names of any Others sufficiently TO to. thinl
also-l have the impresson-that / named Thomal
ShanklaDd bat am not certain Of that. had nforna
ton as 10 the comper saoD of these parties but my
| views of the matter that can remember oil
| Question by Charnan-How much money have You
loaned TO Mr. Hartman in the several years mentioned II
previous answer 10 the best of your recollection
how much of the loaned has been returned Z,
| youf
stO0 in the last five or Fix years. DO recoilec
how much be has returned, if any. | have, think,
orait or two drawn by him New YORK parties which