The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-03-06

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he communications were far stronger, though they
Of confidential nature, than anything to be found
be Blue Book and they all concurred in representing
Ice Menschikos mission having reference solely to
Holy Places. 1t impossible not to believe the
knces we received and should have soon thought
ontradicting any of your lordships when making
&araton on his honor of doubling the assurances
PNdc to her Majesty's government. Hear hear)
,ble friend has greatly complained Of our not hav-
spproved Coensl Roses conduct in calling the Brit
ieet towards Constantinople and has expressed his
Yet at the disagreement between us and France ON
occasion. Nv noble friend has also said that the
Ar~ent ought 70 be ashamed Of the appreciation
TACT is that Colonel Rose sent for the feet the FIRST
Pm occasioned by Menschikof's arrival, when great
ftement was crested, and when the Turkish Minister
d to transact business with him The French govern
IT, ON learning that Colonel Rose had sent for the Brit
ees ordered their feet without consulting with us,
simply because they thought its the Turk
ft but there never was the slightest disagreement
bect, your lordshps will find from the dispatches.
eerence also to those documents of which my noble
nd has only quoted portions your lordshps viii ind
cured in the opinion, that the cause Of the Sultan
Nd b much better served by the detention OF the
II at alta than by its being brought TO Con,
ptmopie The Russian government also stated
that time that the presence of the British
it-st Constantnopls would have been q great
Parrasament, and would have prevented the settle
Holy Places, with which, In fact, we had nothing
ho The Russian government said that they had given
nss $ s9 s s ssss
sct; and that Il the French and English aests came
Ito C0nsantinOple and assumed threatening attitude,
~ considered that that would interfere with that
ceful settlement Of the question which all desired We
eived praise from Russia because there was no in
ference on part with France for all we said to the
er Power that our aest was at Malta and We did
? think 1t immediately wanted at ConstantinOwle
+ We were glad that the French feet had sailed
HorsJ Tvu4{ Un.~ IA
m, agreed with us in thinking that at that mo.
int the advance Of the fleets to Constantinople
necessary Considering that the question then in
interest the presence near Constantinople of tw
ge fleets belonging to England and France might
fnly have altered the character of the affair." With
Pct to her Majestys ambassador at Constantinople
3 to say that entirely In all that my noble
lend has said Of the great talent ability and zeal dis
Dyed by him. but noble friend has stated that Lord
atford went away under erroneous nstructions that
that afterwards happened was contemplated and
at the sultan received no support because Lord STRAIT
uctions given 10 Lord strasord q @ % and
hich would be found in the Blue Bookf could not
resee all the events that might arise stil Lord STRAIT
hole feet to Constantinople and according to the rst
spatch written by Lord Straford giving account Of
& FIRST audience With the sultan It appears that the
pble lord informed the Sultan that If he in d
ty danger the support of her Maestys government
puld be given him. Hear, hear.) now come to
ta perhaps is the far more important part Of my no
e friends speech, and more concerns your ordships
hd the country than any criticisms the Blue Book
I'D that is the question which my noble friend has put
me as TO whether We are ct peace or at war r.
shich your lordships win be aware that distinct
nswer cannot DO given at the present moment.
Re not at war, because war Is not declared We
lot strictly at peace with Russia, because - (Some
kughter Ny noble friend laughs but he must know it
correct to say that we are not at war with Russia,
hough diplomatic relations have been suspended He
bust remember that the initiative of the interruption of
npomatic relations taken by Russa and those rea
ions are declared by Russia to be simply suspended.
therefore say in that intermediate state, when
ur desire for peace is just sincere ever though
ust say our expectations Of maintaining it gradually
|lxindlng away and drifting towards war Hear, hear
t as my noble friend at the head Of the government
aid the other evening" long war is not declared the
maintenance of peace not despared Of It has been stated
this house that certain propositions had been made by
Russia by way Of reply to those contained in the collective
pote Of the ambassador but it to easy to
make two parallel lines those two sets of propos
Il does nS follow that
Hr Is instantly to ensue and am your lordshps
would not in the exercise Of my discretion and
Aaestys government may think take in the
'resent state of affairs because must remember that
.e are not acting alone but in conjunction with
es think It sufficient therefore, at present to say,
answer to the doubts thrown our proceedings by
noble friend that every preparation Is being made
Al the yigsr end With al the rspidity which the
hat your lordships win not expect me to say Iw add,
,owever one other explanation. Ny noble friend has
l9keQ agreement Franco IS
Q the object of our alliance or to the manner in which
he object is to be carried out Ny noble friend ID mis-
AIKEN If he supposes we have none; but think your
agreement between the two Powers to .navaI
md military operations. Hear, hear) Throughout
ny noble friends speech he has treated position
entirely anomalous but it should be recoected that
be whole question, from beginning to end has been
NE Of anomalies, rising one after the other. Some
persons think it would have been better for this
ny not to have intefered at all between Russia and
Turkey, and to have allowed things to take their
course Certainly might have avoided the state Of
hDgs which exists and aggravates mems minds by
Allowing Russia to assume protecting power
700 900 Of the Sultan's subjects; but such
would have placed the throne and empire of the
at amy moment DO what you 20 ike to
night have become the mistress of Constantinople ea
,esr Afterwards directing all her energies to the in
after i becoming great Meaeanean as we'll as
baltic naval power from giving the law to Europe but
uch amount Of naval superiority on the part Of this
esources to maintain. (Hear.) 1t was not merely q
geographical question: was not merely question Of
light and humanity but In the protection Of the Turk
sh authority was involved the independence Of Europe
,Hear.) Remember 1t was not France and England
lone that regarded the question: but 1t viewed
ths and
md Prussia did not wish to pick quarrel with Russia
~ their representatives at Constantinople had re-
the Of an m
the Porte to resist the demands of Russia
hey clearly forseeing the consequences of those de-
nands. And II that was the conduct Of Austria and
Prussia simply In reference to demand made, how much
more were they bound to support their own principles
when the demand followed by such dangerous pre-
edent the occupation Of the Prncipalites That
upation gave to the question great importance. My
,oble FRIEND in talking OF that occupation, which he de-
gnates not In too strong terms, to consider that
should have employed stronger language to the En-
cor Of Russia. reference to the Blue Book, however
acqut us Of that charge, in the mind Of those
20 not slow In finding fault with the government
ID true that we did not then Russia, but from
he moment that discovered that objects other than
hose led TO expect contemplated and other
demands to be made ON the Turkish government, It will
" found that there has been no backwardness
part and lack Of attempts to convince the Emperor
II Russia Of the injustice Of his demands and of
he enormous danger which would arise to Europe
BY persising in them. It has also been pointed out
hat the insisting such demands is inconsistent with
hat Of peace and with the existence Of the Otto
empire which the Emperor of Russia has often
declared he desired to maintain. Those representa-
ions which 1t proper for to make in language Of
,ecoming dignity. But my noble friend to think
hat we should have gone still further, and that
tould have menaced Russia The other night stated
hat her Majesty,s government fully admitting that
bc clear and complete had occurred yet did not
recommend the Sultan to stand his strict right and
ecare war In that advice they forestaed by her
Gjesy at Constantinops who certainly
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