The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-12-28
!, Are yos acquainted with william q. Bceuelin,

| Q Are you acquainted With william q. Nceuekin'
g How long have you Known hins A. Since the LIST
Q. What has been his employment during that timer
Paying teller OF the Ocean Bank up 70 the evening OF
O. Dsd you take The place Of paying teller on hts re-
firing from the situatonY A. He left the evening Of
the i4th received the appointment the morning of
| y As paying teller on the 10th of October what
funds Of the bank into your possession A. As
place Of the hrst teller, cannot state what amount
| came into my hands.
Q. During the business Of that day, and in making
up your cash at night there any discre
pancy in Jour accounsss A. did not know that there
MeGuckp, the Saturday when he left and far
they came to your hands, fully accounted for by You
O. Were you present during the afternoon wedncs-
day after the business Of the bank had closed at the
ar wse the inns was gong On E: ne oaas
hciencyY a. was present part Of the time in the di
rectors' room, was in The bank, however, all the
afternoon, except for few minutes when went TO get
| my dinner
O. Was there any abstraction Of any OF the funds
cash they came into your possession
until the bank officers had made up the amount Of Mr.
McGuckn's deficiency A. Not to my knowledge.
9 During the time Mr. hcGTckin vas in the bank,
he in the habit of certifying checks Of Mr. loomis
AID kessrs. Cumming A. did not know that he GER
those persons dealers in the bank and suppose
| their checks we're certified as he did others.
.moun. Of Mr. sns you sas @ss
when the directors examined the specie and cash
| items, and took part in helping them to do SO.
O. Did you assist in making the deduction state
ment arising IRON the deductions of the cash and cash
items actually on hand, from the amounts which the
books OF the bank showed should have been posses
| sion Of Mr.. AcGuckinS A. dld not.
O. Have you personally, at any time, gone over the
books and the cash and cash item accounts in order 10
hat n mt a Nc
Guckins defalcaroDY A. have, sT
| @ When did you do tbats A, can't state what
O. Was that separate and Independent examin alton
OF the enc made BY the President aud the officers OF the
bankS A. No; ascertaned from statemen. made by
the cashier that there was deficiency Of between
$50 600 10 100000
O. Can you state who unlocked the trunks contain
ing cash items kept by Mr.. McGuckn, and which
into your possession control the morning OF the
| 10th Of October A. unlocked them.
a. Why did you not give them full examination and
make ndum OF them before the bu ness OF the
day commenceds A. called very unexpectedly
to take charge Of the desk for day The cashier
formed few minutes after ten O'clock that must
attend to the business for that day In few moments
afterwards he informed me that would find fraud
uent checks in the exchanges and that would also lind
that there not many bank notes in the trunks
as Mr. McGuckin's statement Saturday evening called
TOR. saw thsn it impossible for to make tho
rough examination Of the cash hand from the then
present circumstances People then at the counter
waiting TO get their cheeks casbed Owing to the alb
Of the assistant teller, who away that day
| and Mr. AcGuckn, two men had TO do the work that
four persons usually performed There was no time to
O. Was there anything that occurred during the bust
ness OF that day " ich could IN any way have inau
enced one way OF he other he balance Of cash justly
chargeable TO Mr. Aa6uekin account of the saturday
| precpdingy a. Nothing.
Cross. examiued w Mr. John R. Brady-Q-Did your
exchanges prove the morning OF the 10th October
| A. think not
O. Did YOU general cash prove on the afternoon Of
Oct 1tthy A. did not take general proof Of the cash.
@ Did you try to prove your cash that afternoon?
| A. did not; the trunk taken INTO the directors
after bank hours, and there examined by the Pre-
sdent Cashier and of the directors, together with
/ the specie.
O. Did your exchange prove on the morning Of the
18th Oct A. do not recollect whether attempted
| prove the exchanges on that day or not
q Did your cash on the afternoon Of the 18th
| Of 0ct.Y A. 1t did not.
! Here q conversation sprung up to the meaning to
be attached to the words your cash., in the question
above. Mr.. Brady said be by it the cash trans
actions which the witness involved, irrespective
| Of the transactions OF McGuckin.
Witness continued-lhere q large deficiency and
| we had not yet ascertaned the amount.
O. Did you know how much cash there hand
at the bank the afternoon evening Of the 10th Of
| O. Did you know the of cash and cash items
| on hand on the morning of the 18th Oct A. The
of the cash hand which not able to examine
infinitely at that time, but knew It TO be in the main
oorrecs
O. What had you done ascertain the correctness Of
that statement A. The bills Of tho bank counted
up by the directors the evening OF the 10TH did
not in the morning count all the packages Of bills my
self; had only time to examine the amounts marked
| each package and compare them with the statement
O. Do you know where that statement iss A. think
it s in the Of one Of the officers Of the bank
President Of Tie ben. .Ss MINK
Q. Was that statement shown TO Mr.. AcGuckin? A.
! O. wheng A. On the morning Of Wednesday the 18th
| of October.
O. Was 1t shown to him the evening Of that day,
and, II So where and by whom A. 1t shown to
him the evening Of that day. in the presence OF my
| self and Mr.. Martin, President OF the bank.
Did not Mr.. Guckin discover and point out
in that statement? A. He thought he had discovered
| an error in the amount of loans hand which was,
| however, pointed out and explained TO him.
O. Please state the amount of that supposed
and the explanation thereby A. do not remember the
amount now can't recoilect distinctly the .xpiana
| tion made.
O. Was a Of forty-fve forty EIGHT hun
bred dollars which was not mentioned in the statement
of loans? A. think il which he supposed
was not in the statement.
O. Was it IN the statement A. ! do not recoect dis
tinctly about that new all that remember now is that
appeared to be satisd with the presidents expana
ton.
O Did not MI Martin state on that occasion that Mr.
McGuckn's statement Of loans the Saturday prece-
ding correct? A. think he admitted to Mr.. Nc
Guckin that his statement Of loans Saturday
Q. Can you state what amount Of loans Mr. McGuck.
ms statement Of Saturday called fors A. $173983 13
O. Can yon state the amount Of loans which appeared
in the statement Of Mr.. Gibbons? A. cannot cannot
recollect it,
Q. Did Mr. McGuckin, that evening, wednesday,
make any estimate Of the deficiency A. Not to my
O. Did he not show to you paper showing in 6gnres
what the apparest deficiency? A. do not recollect
that be did,
Q. Did you bear any conversation between Mr.. Nc
Guckn and Mr. Martini in relation any such paper
estimate? A. l did not.
O. Can you state positively that you not shown
such paper by MIR. McGuckiny A. Yes, and do SO
state.
Q. Did Mr. McGuckin look over or examine the books
of the bank on that EVENING" A. He did.
U. For what purprsef A. do lot know.
Q. Did you him make any memorandum while
examining the books that evening" A. l think he
made some figures the book that evening
q. Did Mr.. McGuckiM that evening discover any
In your transactions for that afternoon
OF the 18th of October A. thpk he discovered diff
ference, which was afterwards found.
Y. What the smountg A. ! ,not state the
amount but it was package oe bank notes that ha
snt by express to the Merchants bank of Syracuse and
in the hurry of business had omitted 10 charge il.
Q. When the deaci, discovered, and what the
A. IL was found few days alterw ards: the