The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-05-05

me 10 go night before she gave me the money the
@ when did You gos A. On Tuesday morning
I o What fory A. To get some things for breakfast
o. Had Mrs Hayes pistol in the house2 A. She had
O Where it kepts A. Generally in the parlor;
Mrs Hayes had no particular place for IT. have seen ii
ON the mantel piece and on the bureau.
Q. When did you last it-before DR.. Lutener's
deathS A. saw it with Mr.. Hayes on Tuesday morning;
Mr.. Hayes had it in the yard.
O. What was he doing with itS A. He firing II or
O. How oftens A. Once
O. What time did Mrs Hayes return to her house that
day. A. Between and O'Clock.
q From the time you left TO go to the grocery to the
time she came in, did you see herr A. Yes
@ Where did you see herr A In the kitchen.
O. Had she anything on her headS A. No, sir.
Q. Had she any shawl onS A. No, sir;
Q. Had Mrs. Hayes shawl A. Yes; it was plaid
Q. When Mrs. Hayes came back had she any one with
herr A. An officer and other gentlemen
Q How she dresseds A. She had on black velvet
bonnet and plaid shawl.
Q How was the bonnet trimmed A. II hal a black
feather on each side.
O. How often you in the habit of seeing that pis-
tol in the Iarlor a. don't know how many times; 1t
was usually there.
@ Did you ever see pistol in that house after the
morning Of Tuesday, A. don't think did.
q. When Mrs. Hayes returned in the afternoon with
officer and other gentlemen, did she into the
housey A. Yes.
O How long did she remain A. About half an hour.
@ What then became of herr A. | think she went
away with the officers and the other gentlemen she
changed her dress after she in and put black
silk dress.
The Court-was that firing in the yard before after
To Juror don't remember where Mrs. Hayes was at
the time.
The Court-Was she in the house2 A. ! think she was
Mr.. Pusteed said they proposed to pursue the same
Plan with reference to the examination Of this wit
with the last
The District Attorney consented and the witness was
allowed to leave the stand.
Isaac cockofair deputy Coroner) sworn-o When did
you first hear of the deaths AT quarter past eleven
O'clock in the morning of the 10th of january was in
The coronors Office, in the middle basement of the build
ing Which has now been destroy ed on hearing of this
q m VIII
G; mble came in; then went Immediately there
q On going into the nice who did you find therey A.
tel; saw lady there also she said her name was
Shipman.
O. How long did you remain therey A. Not more than
fifteen minutes.
O. Did The Coroner come while you therep A. Yes.
O. From that Office where did you gos A. Directly to
the Chiefs Office and stayed there about minutes from
there went to M Office, and then to No. Nassau
street Coroner Gamble was with me.
O. What did You do on arriving there? A. We went on
the third floor, back building.
Q Who did you find there2 A. saw gentleman
there answering to the name of Hayes
O. To you see him here A. Yes, sir.
O. Who else there2 A. saw two other gentle
men; of them Mr.. Hall; have known him per-
sonally for some years.
Q. From that Office where did you goa A. To the
Beekman street police station
9. In company with whom A. Mr.. Hall and Coroner
Gamble
O What time in the morning did you arrive at tho of
fee of Mr. HalY A. About twenty 1--WE minutes to one
o After arriving at the Second ward station house,
what became OF Mr. Hayes A. can't say did not see
him again that Cay.
To q Juror-Hc was in custody with Coroner Gamble;
from the Coroners Office went in the O'Clock train for
Harlem as undersood it to be.
@ On arriving there where did you go2 A. To the
police station in 26h l27th street, between Third aud
Fourth avenues; from the police station went to the
Of Fifth and 125th street. went to the
house Of pr Lutener.
O. Who did you see at that houscS
Question objected to, and allowed by the Court
Witnes-l saw lady there, answering to the name Of
Mrs. Lutener.
Q. Did you receive anything from that lady9 A. did
Q. What is A. Some writings and sheets Of paper
looking like letters.
q. What did you do with themg A. handed them to
Coroner Gamble
The court here took recess Of a few moments
Examination of Mr.. Cockefair resumed-Q. VIII you
look at these pers and if they the got
from Mrs Lutener. documents exhibited to wisness)
A. These the papers handed me by Mrs. Lutener.
witness) A. 1t was in unlocked drawer in Dr. Lutte
ners Office in Broadway it was chest Of drawers, which
supposed WAS a medicine chest.
@. Who directed your attention 10 itY A. Miss Ship
man. il was loaded and capped the same as il Is nov;
took the caps cif.
Cross eSanined-Q Where are the capsS A. threw
them away,
&. PuIpoely9 A. Certainly; had no use for them;
threw Them on the hoor.
Q. How many cid yon take OH A. took them all OF.
q. did not ask You that-how many did yod take OF
4. took OF all that
O. Was there than ones A. Yes
@ More ;lan FIVE? \. can't say.
g Eow lar up did this chest OF ar wers Gomez ,,r
were twelve fourteen inch drawers
Q. ID il stand FAST A. should think not.
witness here went into detailed description OF the
in which tie chest of drawers stood, and the posi-
tion occupied by the lstter.
O. Was your attention directed TO that chest Of draw
ers br MIS- Shrmany a. Yes.
Q. Did she tell you in which drawer the pistol was IMP
A. She pointed it out.
Q. What else was in that drawer from which she took
the pistol A, There were some papers; did not take
them she said the other drawers locked; did not
ak for the key when took the pistol out looked at it
sharp and put in my pocket don't think there
than five minutes elapsed before Coroner Gamble
came in and handedit to him; after that saw 1t that
same night and also the day; the pistol in the
Coroners desk: Gamble carries key 10 that desk and
do ALSO unlocked the desk took out the pistol and ex
amned it. and it again locked up saw 1t the next
morning; did not commence the inquest till next morn
ing; IL in the armory that | the pistol the
next morning; think drew OF the caps before wit
ness was sworn the Coroners inquest; threw the
caps the floor when got to the door OF the room
where the body lay there may have been four persons
there the noctors body lay parallel with Grand street.
his head toward Broadway
O. Was there post norton examination the
day. A. was not present at the post mortem exami-
nation.
O Have you got that note that left at the Coro
ners Office. A. II in Coroner Candles possession
read the note; it from Dr. Downes; the note
states that Dr. Lutener destroyed himself at quarter
past eleven . ,
charges could be drawn from the pistol.
O. How late was II when you received that note7 A.
About half past eleven; not later than that, believe
did look at my watch clock at that Instant went
right up Broadway before Coroner Gamble
Q. when did you arrive at the Doctors Officer A. Full
twenty minutes before twelve there not fifteen min
utcs before left had my watch there looked at 1t AZ
forwards.
Q During that fifteen minutes what you busy
aboutS A. talking TO Miss Shipman and Others got
the pistol during that time
O. lid you take Miss shipman into the back 10 have
private conab with herr A. went in there with her
q. Did you close the door, A. did.
Q. Did you take position at end of the drawers
as soon as you came into the room2 A. \ few minutes
after.
O. hid she take position at the other end2 A. No sir
she stood by the door.
O. How long did you talk together in that positions A.
From three 10 five minutes.
q. Lid you take out your watchS A. Not yet.
O. Did you take out ths pistol before the words with
her. a. No.
q lii she not tell you where II was before you went
ny \. Mo- afterwards talked for three four min
tcs and Coroner Gamble in stayed with her after
wards, perhaps three minutes more
Q Where did you go them A. I came down 70 the
Chiefs oce with Coroner Gamble did not look at my
watch yet at the City Hall clock it about
minutes after twelve stayed long enough to ask whe
the Chief in II twenty i've minutes pas; twelve