The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-03-09


Seymour that the arrangement which was negotiate
Constantinope contained nothing beyond that WIN en-
bad been already made known to the British Minister q
St Petersburg and by the Russian Minister at the Court
Of st. James TO the British government Hear, hear
sir when such positive assertions these made BY
the government Of great country like Russia that
the government which they are made is entitled to
place condolences In them. Hear hear) It Is said that
and we ought to on inc par, o.
demands were foot We told by the Russian go
w itself that such preparations were making but
sole object to counterfeit the menacing language
which had been used by France and that they bore SOLE
(Hear) We told also It is quite true that Russis
required proof of confidence as well a. some
in connection with the changes that had been made in
the question of the Holy Places and that the securtv
frmans for the settlement Of that question But we
had any inmation that any such treaty was TO
apply to- other
government had known from the outset what the
whole demands of Russia upon Turkey, he asserted
variance with the fact Hear 1t painful to speak Of
like Russia in terms of censure reproba
eminent that the Russian by itself and its
agents. has, throughout these transactions, exhausted
every modification Of untruth conceaiment and evasion
with assertions of positive fasehood (Hesr
hear ask however has anything been lost BY the for
with which the has conducted this
question: say, that II in the last summer had
been taken which would have brought matters then
to the point at which they are we had found our
II On
Hesr It may be said, indeed that the present result
would never have arisenthat Russia would hare given
That is q plausible opinion, and one which per-
son may be justified in holding; but after all It il
have assumed, and turned - out wrons-hsd Russia,
instead Of submission, urged then TO the point
chargeable with grave political mistake (Hsar, hsar
There were great many reasons why forbearance
mat NJ ores nta NJ E,ro -
though England and France have been from Tie outset
acting together heartily entirely and cordially, they
should endeavor to obtain also the Of
and Prussia Hear, hear.) We know that these two
countries have interests in this matter far direct
Austria is matter Of vital existence because if Russia
either to appropriate any large portion Of Turkish
territory OF even to reduce Turkey to the condition Of
doubt who casts glance at the of Europe,
and looks at the geographical position Of those Powers
with regard to Russia and Turkey-that such immense
appropriation of geographical power the part of Russia
must be fatal the Independent action Of Austria and
Prussia. Hear hear) Well 1t of great importance
to get these two Powers with us as far was possible
to obtain their counsel and advice but neither of them
could be expected to risk lightly rupture with their
lead Prussia not to wish to risk such rupture
the reasons would rather say, why those who wished
have wished press her forward sngy obvious to
any who looks at the map Of Europe (Hear) Aus
was natural that she should be unwilling to break With
Russia long it possible that matters could be
arranged by any amicabe adjustment; and II Austria
seeing that England and France hurrying matters
on and precipitatng war when she (Ausria) thought
that by forbearance, by her influence at St Peters
carried on and war avoided England and France under
those circumstances would not have been entitled to
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much could Of that influence which Austria pos
sessed imagined she possessed at the Court Of st.
Petersburg and to convince Austria that consulted
her position as well own and that were willing
to give possible opportunity for an amcable settle
ed (Hear.) believe am not overstating the facts
when say that the conduct of England and Of
France IN this respect has been fully spprscissed'
had been entered into and carried on In the course
Of last summer, we might have had no reason
persuade myself but that, if matters go on to the
point fear they likely to CO. the conduct Of Austria
ss @ % t.
Well them say that the conduct Of her Majsstys gov
eminent not baeabe either upon the ground OF pre-
The House. think, viii agree that the great object Of
preserving peace was one which justified every possible
slests which was our urdu duty to maintain But i may
faid sis the object, them for which you are asking
he country now to go to wars the object one Of sum
the country to maker" might answer that question BY
saying that the opinion of the government that the
by France by Austria, and by Prussa-that al these
Powers have recognized in the most solemn and distinct
that the independence and integrity Of the Turkish
empire Is an essential condition for the continuance Of
he peace Of Europe that It is an essential element in
he balance of power and that It would be calamity to
rity and Independence. (Hear, hear.) Why even
Russia while she is pursuing course which IS acknow
independence and that integrty~even Russa does not
venture to deny the principle that the ience and
integrity Of theOttoman empire is an essential element
in the condition and welfare of Europe. Why sir 1t Is
manifest that Russia to appropriate 10 herself
these territories which lie under the sway Of the
tic for the safety the other States Of Europe esr
she to besrde the continent from north to SOUTH
possessing large naval Power both IN the Baltic and the
handing regions full of every natural resource and
population Of enormous extent. she would become
power would be fatal to the independence Of
other States. (Cheers) say, therefore,, it is the
sSsrsndaement a. that which would result
likely eyes but Russia don't want any accession Of
rtory abe don't pretend or profess to take permanent
possession Of any territory that belongs to the Sultan
she merely holds these Prncpaties as material pledge
for CONCESSIONS which she requires to be madeconces
sions which she says essential to her dignity and
honor" What the Turkish Minister replies to that Is
true Of ba tine says would BE- bet
should be slowly but surely infused into her whole
body corporate, which would surely destroy her
neighbor. (Iiear hear) That which Russia demanded
was nothing less than the sovereignty over Of
tect them in all the affairs Of ife both religious and
civil would have been the power to which those IL 000
600 persons would have looked and the Sultan would
have been longer any but the nominal ruler Of those
subjects (Hear hear say, therefore, that that con-
cesson which the sovereign Of Turkey was jus
fed in refusing, and which every other Power-which
England France Austria and Prussi-unted to declare
could not be granted without abandonment of the in
dependent sovereignty Of the Sultan Hear Well say,
then, that the object for which contending Ii
which due regard for the interests Of this country
and due regard to the welfare of Europe and to the
peace Of the world, justifes us in contending for
Cheers We are told, however that setting aside the
abstract principle Of preserving the balance of power
which some gentlemen profess to treat with great
tempt, matter wholly undeservng the and A.
tention Of satesmen-we are told that setting that
ssdc there 10 something In the condition Of the Tursh
mpire which makes it utterly unworthy Of support
nd that because It ID not in such advanced state Of
civilization this country ought therefore to be
suered by Russia and blotted out independent
ion from the face of Europe asked BY the honor
able member for the West Riding (r Cobden) whether
stl maintained the assertion made last session. that
here hardly any country which had, in the same
eriod Of time such material progress In it, inter-
nal arrAngementa Turkey has done. Sir, abide by