The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-05-12

donaldson, VIM stedman, Jos Harper, Ohio VIM
Hearn la Jos. Newett Thos. Chandler, Cyrus Fuller
Michigan John winchel H. Jas A. shed Iowa, Caleb
Green, Minnesota; Geo. Kerby Cal
Corresponding SecTttaries-Edmund Quincy, s II. Gay
Recording Secreary-wendel Phillips.
1redstTeT-Francis jackson
Executive Cominine,-w l.. Garrison Francis Jackson,
Edmund Quincy Maria Weston Chapman, Wendell Phil
lips, Anne Warner Weston, L. II Gay Eliza lee toiien,
jas Russell lowell Chas. F. HoNey, Samuel May Jr''
w. j. Bowditch.
There being no business before the meeting, Mr. OH
v JOHNSON got the floor for an explanation OF the pro-
ceedngs at Dr. Chapins church. yesterday. lie said he
could see no reason why there should not be pro.
gramme, there always was degree of arrangement
beforehand. The prayer would not hurt anybody.
Mrs. AloTT said the whole question gone years
ago and then it settled that particular religious
services should be hadthat il far particular
sect was concerned She had objected TO the filling IN
of the time at the church far ms praying and singing
concerned Several speakers cut short She
that Mr. Johnson had ny TO do with
the arrangements Of the programme.
Mr. JOHNSON was surprised at Mrs. Mott and thought
mat her opposition arose from her oil Quaker ideas As
far the singing went he thought that the audience
were highly in favor Of it.
Two or three persons rose to reply, but Mr. Quincy
who had taken the chair oil the debate and called
on the Secretary to read the resolutions which will be
found above.
Mr. BLACKWELL, of Cincinnati opposed the resolutions
particularly the frst-hrst because it was untrue and
secondly, because if it was true, it should 60
the opinion Of the society BY adopting the proposition
thatto be abolitiont must be disunionist you
rule out nne.tenths OF the antslavery and women
of the country You should regard the issue solely
and not nure that issue by discussing side questions
such the value of Bible reveatiunsaud any anti
the value of Billie citation should be- called order
and directed 10 conine himself 20 tho question We DO
not come here to shock the prepdces OF Chr sans of
any demo nr alton Of uels either lie did not desire
that the abolition of slavery should be postponed until
we can all agree religious questions, until we have
all become dsunioniss. slavery hourished outside Of
the Union. clause strucS out of the Declaration
of Independence condemning slavery and the compro
mise OF 1857 another instance. The Unjon not
Union of compromises and slavery wuul exist after
the Union had been abolished If the Union abo
ishod tomorrow with the present public sentiment
another III Ine
next day, Your grand vital point shoul he to change
the public sentiment and IT Is very well to say union
with the shareholders yet DO and VIII unite with
them to do all other acts except to hold slaves. The
speaker cared nothing for the Union of Itself he did
not desire dissolution of the Union until the Northern
people were ready forit' The AnSlayery society was
a society 10 bring about the abolition slavery, and
that's all The common of the world believes
that the American Union is the best government
ever established and the speaker did not think That
any person in the audience would exchange
government for any European government. There are
many faults about the Uuon but still it is the best.
The best way to bring together is TO let little things
shdei some people don't Ike an oral prayer, but they
stand II il others do We have been in session
days and during that time have bal hardly di
speech against slavery but only discuss ons about
side issues. Now should throw these al away, and
SPEAK only on the main question. There n
thoroughly perfect government, but the perfection of
government cannot be the aboiiti N Of government. We
should confne TO its leg innate purposes
II the Union dissolved, would the right to
go down to South Carolina and free the slaves but il is
doubtful whether any anti slavery would think they
had any moral right to do anything of the sort.
no pro-sayery or anti-slayery powers. They have
power to return apprentices, but not fugitive
slaves consequently, New York stand
the constitution, and refuse to aid the South
IN the execution OF the compacts compromises. So
there just good abolitonss who believe in the
Union these who DO not believe in it, and consequently
the first resolution is wrong. The society has been
deavoring for twenty years TO change public opinion
When public opinion is changed the question OF
slavery, IL it is neces airy that the Union should be
abolished II will be dissolved enough In great
West is ridiculous talk about Gsunion because the
Mrs do ~
good by propounding her doctrines in Ohio Mr. Black
well defended Fred Douglass from the charges made
against him by Mrs Foster and said that when Douglass
came to Cincinnati he spoke of this society and OF Mr.
Garrison only with respect lie said he had changed his
religious opinions, bat that he had been mslei by
brs roster MI, harrison OF any one else we should
endeavor to unite ashaces OF opinion and all classes of
religious belief 1t unwse to shock the feelings of
Christians who may be narrow minded by railing at
eminent and religious systems and them h with
draw from the meeting, and it should be the rule that
speakers should be obliged to conhne themselves T. the
question
When Mr.. Blackwell sat down several persons jumped
~ and said, " Mr.. Chairman"
Mr. Irving came down the aisle.
M puRyis (colored) in the char-Mr. Quincy has
the floor.
Mr.. IRvISo-I want to state point of order
Mr.. QUINCY.-State It
Mr.. lRyIyo:-I announced to speak this morning,
and didn't hear Mr.. Quincy name mentioned.
The CuAIR--1announced it plainly. Mr. Quincy has the
door.
Mr. InviSe-I appeal (Cries Of "ques,ion.'D
The CHAIR put the question and the meeting voted TO
sustain the Chair.
MI QUINCY replied to Mr. blackwell, and held that the
Society was not responsible for any chance speeches
which might be made The official record the Society
would show that ii had confined itself to the anti.
slavery question alone.
Mr. BLACKWELL said he di not make the charge on the
Society as society but that Of its speakers had
dragged in extraneous matters and thus the report had
gone abroad that the Society responsible for IT,
Mr. QUINCY cannot affirm that there have not been
singular of the sort that the gentleman
When have been in tho chair have always checked
Them but there must be degree of liberty for speaEers
and different eharmen have different opinions ON this
m n M he into 4ipc
If speakers should be confined TO the close question In
regard to the dissolution of the Union, uphold the
doctrine that IL should be dissolved because il is the
opinion Of the society We take the meaning s the
stution as II has been aducged by Congress by the Su
preme Court and refuse TO allegiance 10 it,
to vote under IT, or to appoint persons to hold office
der IT, We refuse to accede 10 the demands of the
stuon and II is matter OF personal honor that
refuse to do duty under should ao refuse its priv
ileges Politically speaking. think that doing
right in holding up TO the American people the idea that
Union cemented with the blood of the slave
should not exist day. And that by these
means can bring about the effect better than by any
other means Mr.. Quincy denied that this the best
government. hardly know he said of any government
in the world that | would not prefer to live under,
(sses) because there is other government in the
in New York and New England have protection for pro-
pelty, but we do not get it from the American unon
(Isses and applause) We inherit IL from English
and Dutch ancestors. Here, in State colored
IL eligible TO any office and in another under the
MIR. BIAcKwEiI-Is that in accordance with or In de-
hance Of the constuttn2
Mr.. QulSCy-Thats no matter. Ny point Is that the
constitution good for nothing because it does pro
fect its citizens. When citizens of Massachusetts,
sold into slavery in South Carolina, Mr.. Hoar went
there to commence legal action, TO try the issue.
He was abused and kicked out of the State and the
Legislature OF South Carolina made a law making IL
felony for any Massachusetts, TO there and
commence such action in the federal courts for such
purpose. What the OF the Union, the constu
lion and the federal to the Hon Samuel Hoar
Mr. Garrison is outlaw in half OF this country for
crime and the fedora cannot protect him. In
Russia he could all the country and be protested
Mo tnt,n Ii null npI "a ftarad
parchment in half the country, AMI Mr. Quincy
thought that II would be good thing If it destroyed
The constitution displayed the ingenuity of the very
devil and IL very remarkable that the worst forms
of desposm should be so arfuy wove into an instru
ment under the name of liberty. The Union is o. no
value 10 the North. We should be richer, happier,
stronger and honester the South would be good enough
to kick out Of the Union The gentleman desires that
public sentiment should be changed aud that Is precisely
that which we are endeayorng to do. The great change
which has taken place in the public sentiment Is acknow
lodged TO he the effect Of the agitation Of the