The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-04-02


The Earl Of AsERpns-The statement to which the
Importance and finding it in the paper do 1t may
De considered possessing sort of official character
as wen able as am to form opinion on the subject.
nave seen the statement nowhere else but where II s
and, as said before, know more about It, Ths
communications to which the noble earl referred, ana
wicn took place between his Majesty the Emperor q
Russia and some Of her Majestys Minister'S were tho
noble earl has stated, and has not disapproved re
tanned by her Aaesty's government and not printeA
with the papers laid the table, in Of the
degree attached to them Iear n bas not hoen ,s.I
under circumstances similar 10 those under which thss
were mage lay upon the table Of Par
those described, between sovereign and FOREIGN mimic
ter and for this reason her government did net
which was due to prince with whom on terms
OF alliance to produce papers which had somewhat pr
yats and confidential s n chsrscter Hear hesr hi.
be considered in some degree Official and by which
appears that there is reluctance tho part Of Rusa
public all communications which had passed the sub
ect relieves her Maesys Ministers from much dculfy
scruple they might have entertained relative 70 ths pro
ducon Of the papers to which the noble earl refers a
hear can the noble earl that he had mads
papers the table, and stated these communications to
your lordshpshe to retain them and to consider
correspondenee will therefore, be laid upon the table
win end that there has been little occasion for those sS
which he has somewhat alphabetically applied
to her Msjesty's government TO- night Hear hesr5 Il
will be found my lords feel assured that Her Wajes-
ton they will occupy with reference to this corrsspon
dence and think the noble earl will find himself eyre
eiousy mistaken in endeavorng to cast either blame o.
imputaon OF any kind her Maesty's government for
the part they have taken in this transaction (Cheerv
nsve 1H'nng more to say upon the subject and
ferred to the commentary made in the Tms
newspaper upon the article copied from the st.
be surprised to learn, considering what he caIs
our connection with that newspaper rather what he
seems better pleased to call my connection aughter)
with that paper that until this morning never read the
article or the comments to which he alludes nor had
heard of them either directly indirectly In making
this statement find, my lords some advantage in q
mans havnga character for truth and honor and agan
repeat that until this morning. had the most re-
mote conception of the article in question or tho orgi.
of the comments which have been made upon it. (Hearl
can say nothing about it, except again to repeat
that am entirely ignorant Of the whence the
conjecture the matter except ths-that have been
given to understand that some clerk in the Foreign
office, but who is not clerk there now, and who was
introduced, BY the by, by the noble earl opposite,
(Aialmesbury had scandalously betrayed his duties
by revealing the contents Of some papers. (sHear,
hear" and laugh) However, / know not
whether it is through that source or not that
this correspondence has been made public, and on
which the comments based to which the noble earl
has attached SO much importance. All can say is, that
lhave not directly indirectly, the slightest knowledge
personally of the matter. The first question: then
answered. but stated that 1T the intention of the gov
eminent without having been asked to do what he has
requested Hear With respect to the other matter to
which the noble earl referred it is perfectly true that
when His Imperial Majesty in this country several
ccmmuncatons-verb communcatons-took place be-
tween him and the late Duke Of Wellington. not
sure whether any took place with the late Sir Robt Peel
or not but with respect to the Duke of wellington and
myself there doubt that communications did take
place to the state of the East and the views
and prospects which might be entertained on this
s sa Il think s5 Fl, mgs
sure that it not about the same time-that Count
Nesserode came here and embodied those views of the
memorandum, which was afterwards reduced to
writing have not that document for the last ten
years-from the time when it written and probably
the noble Earl knows about it than do In these
circumstances am not prepared to say at this moment
whether may be at not to lay it the table; but
shall ascertain do not wish to speak about docu-
ment have 4 seen for so long period Imsy say,
however, that think 1t Is not likely have such
snee to present or that it refers to the
Menschikof-to the Vienna note-or, indeed, to any
thing involved In the recent discussions and therefore,
this moment. But on that point reserve myself till
have had opportunity of seeing and considering the
The Earl Of E1IESBoRoUGH- noble friend states.
that during the year 1874 communications took place
between the Emperor of Russia and the Duke of well
munications took place with Sir R. Peel Now able
to state that there were communications with Sir r.
Peel for my right hon. friend communicated to me ons
point which the Emperor of Russia had expressed
very clear opinion and that was with reference to Tur.
nothing whatever of the document which has Seen rssd
as coming from st. Petersburg. that be the case
would suggest whether he is not premature prsmsn9
to lay these papers the table of the houseS think
this would better be delayed till he has seen COPY a
the ST. Petersburg Gazette containing the document for
as yet there is no official or certain information that
The EARL OF ABERDEEN was understood to say he had
no r doubt Of the authenticity Of the document
friend to that he knew nothing about until saw
IT in the Times newspaper; but that not SUFFICIENT
The MARQUIS OF CANRlcARps-I hope that all the con-
versaons which have been carried with the Emperor
OF Russia BY Sir H. Seymour on this subject viii be lsid
on your lordshps table (hear hear because undoubt
edly His Imperial Majesty has right whatever to se-
ect one particular part Of those conversations and make
House and the government, and to debar her Ma
Jesty's government from having the full advan-
t tase that an entire communication would give
at st. Petersburg, and rumors have been COM
mon in the diplomatic and other well informed circles
throughout Europe that in that conversation most ina
portant Observation-Disclosures in itself and import
ant also as regards the conduct of the and q
which the EMPEROR Of Russia epred sia pnSo =
lose his last soldier and spend the last roue in his treasury
sooner than 9ive up his claims on Turkey Hear hear
think the memorandum given by Count Nesselrode 70
views Of the Emperor and his government on the then
have. (Hear) We have full right to know what wss
the view then entertained by the Emperor, because
IL is evident tnat II must bear most strongly the
present circumstances which have rendered war 30 mr
nent ear) trns that shall have all the converse
tons with the noble carl who then Secretary Of state
for Foreign Affairs in shape other also before
us (Hear bsar It appears impossible we should not,
for think It necessary for the credit Of govern
ment that should be able to show exactly what wero
the communications made to her Maesty's ministers,
what was the answer, and what the language held
in 1874 as well as what was the language held
by Russia so as to give really conclusive to the
manifesto now published Hear hear 1t Is essential
that we should know what language has been hslA;
for though this the first time have had IL put for
ward in this way, 1t has been rumored throughout the
whole continent that language very different from that
of this country and, among Others by the noble ea
who was then Secretary for Foreign Affairs. (Hear1
II il well to have documentary proof that this Is not true
and that We should be able to show that have pre-
served our consistency this most important and mo-
mentous question. (aear.)
In tho House Of Commons, the day, in reply
to Mr. Hsraeli,
lord RussRL saidwith respect to the two ncwsps-
TO which the right honorable gentleman has referred
have to answer that Saturday the article in tho