The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-04-05

Wiling whether in time of war or in time Of
INTO such treaty with the United states you win grant
the United States this prviegethat the neutral flag
Of the United States shall be respected when England is
Mt war and you will obtain from the United States SINH
lar privilege that when the United States is at war the
neutral Gag Of England shall be respected Thus in
much as she gives. Remember, we are not now in the
position with regard to the United States that
half century ago II might be a matter 81 some
States in those days because England separated by
vast interval in her from all other countries in
the world but at the present moment if the number
Of ships great the number of the United States
ships is great also. 1t is possible that the United
ssme powerful counrN r ps viii then enjoy
the privilege Of neutrality and will not be nterered
with in their lawful callings and in the same Way IL the
treaty suggest existed now, the ships OF the United
States would not be nterfered with in the carrying OF or
binary mercantile produce Hear, hear viii here read
short passage from disng ushed writer In the United
States upon this very question, which should enter
upon even II there no probability OF war The
question one which this house may entertain Tune
Of well in time Of peace; in fact it has no.
thing do with the present position Of the country 1t
Is question Of universal policy which may be enter
jurist saysst has been the desire Of government
to obtain the recognition of the fundamental principles
by the treaty with Prussia in 1885, relative
to perfect equality and reciprocity of commercial
rights between nations the abolition of private upon
the and the enlargement of the privileges Of neu
trail The rule public law that the property
OF enemy is liable to capture in the vessel of friend
is declared on the part of to have
tirey on force. Though the high seas arc general
jurisdiction common to all, yet each nation has special
jurisdiction their vessels; and all the maritime
nations Of modern Europe have at times acceded to the
princi lie that the property Of enemy shall be pro-
tected in the vessel Of friend. No neutral nation it
said is bound to submit to the usage and the neutral
may have yielded at time to the usage without sacr
cing the right to vindcac by force the security of the
neutral flag at another So that although this emil
nent writer admits that it is the law of nations yet he
clearly puts forth the strong wish there the part of
the of the United States to contract treaties
Will all Mt vii
tween themselves free ships shall make free goods
(Hear hear) Now, propose that her Majesty's gov
wish to trouble the House with copious extracts, but
will take the liberty Of reading more (Oh oh)
with great reluctance that go into it; but contend
it is becoming member representing great COM
mercial and manufacturing interest to call atten-
tion to these important questions. More than that,
when that this proposition will be seconded by
honorable friend, the member from Liverpool say it is
that it is which Parliament ought to entertain.
Iear) The question Of neutral flag has already in
war not only with the United States but, connected
with other questions with the Northern Conederacy,
who ranged themselves together in 1889 for the express
purpose of armed neutrality to defend the security of
the neutral flag do not know whether it may be in
the recollection Of the House, but may just mention
that the first Power that made treaty to the effect
that free ships made free goods was the Ottoman Porte
(Hear) The right honorable gentleman concluded by
moving an address to her Majesty praying her Majesty
her Majestys cruisers in the event of war; to abstain
from interfering with neutral vessels of any
goods property not contraband of that may be
contained therein and praying her Majesty to direct her
Ministers to consider the policy of entering into treaty
stpuatons with the United States Of America and any
other foreign country willing to entertain the same
the principle that free ships shall make free goods and
the neutral flag give neutrality to the cargo.
Mr.. HoRsFAIL seconded the motion. He entirely con-
CURED in the sentiments which had fallen from his right
honorable friend; and he did not how her Maiestys
government could object to the motion.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL think the right honorable gentle
could hardly expect the House to the motion
he has now proposed He has laid many important ques
tons before the House, but important those questions
are the honorable gentleman who seconded the notion
and who has just sat down. has shown that the document
uld be insufficient because the subject Of prvateerng
mitted in the proposal of the right honorable gentle
man. ! can only say that which my right honorable
government-not, as my right honorable friend sup
poses, merely to refer to the law of nations leaving
parties TO make out from that law of nations what their
course may be-but is the intention of the govern
ment, who have been some time considering these
subjects to advise her Majesty to ISSUE in shape
other, document which will declare the policy Of the
government those subjects. (Hear hear But trust
my right honorable friend and the honorable member
for Liverpool will see that document of this kind
qures very great care Hear hear) There questions
Of principle there are questions of precedent there
questions Of policy, and there are questions Of law
which all involved in this question (hear hear
not only these questions, but amidst the contendng
presidents and high authorities of former wars the
Of the government must be decided hear hear
The very wording of any document on this subject re-
Qures especial care. (Hear hear) Any mistake arising
from the incautious style of any particular document
might lead into misunderstanding with Fran &c,
with the United States, with the neut al
nations of the North, that might be of the most
we not at all to blame for giving the utmost
and elaboration to this subject Hear, hear).
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possible, but trust the House will not call upon
the members of the government to explain, espe-
cally in speeches in this house the policy shall pur
under such very serious circumstances Hear hear)
Mr. RICARDO was glad the question had been brought
Clarendon as Minister for foreign Affairs an ,u bst 5ad
emanated from the President of the Board of Trade
totally and entirely at variance and therefore it
solutely that the of this country
should be placed on proper and sound footing, that
they might understand exactly what the intentions
of the government on this subject. Hear hear.)
Mr. THOMAS BARING-t said by the noble lord that
hostites had not yet commenced and that before hos
lities should commence he would state the the
government would pursue; and what he (Mr. Thomas
Baring) wanted to know was whether it the inten.
ton Of the to delay the declaration of their
the government that great injury inflicted up
on trade by this delay. (Hear, hear.)
10 ~ say Una. snnk wiz
ject for though the views of the government de-
cded necessary, with respect to France espe
cay to state what our views are, ard whether they
agreeable to the government Of France. That Is
only one circumstance that mention but there
other circumstances with regard the effect of certain
words to be used. Hear hear) When her Maiesty's
government ready to make the declaration they will
consider the interests of commerce and win not delay
hear.)
Mr. BRIGHT could understand the why the noble
lord might not wish might not be prepared to state
anything explicitly the first part Of his right
bic friends notion and why the house might rest
content until, perhaps, the promised declaration
was made but the noble lord had omitted to
notice the latter part of the resolution. His right
honorable friend had expressed his desire that her
najesty government should enter, attempt to enter
into trees with the United States the subject there
referred to- and of that not matter to be
postponed His right honorable friend had said most
truly and he (Mr Brightly thought he had good Of
knowing that the United States would have been heartily
glad to operate with the Of this country
in establishing Gas he believed their cooperation would
establish throughout the word the great principle that
laid down in that resolution. Hear hear) There
was one thing which the house ought to bear in mind,
and he said especially because the noble lord had
not said word in favor Of portion Of the resolution
the noble lord had said nothing against it, but he had
said nothing in its fayorand that was that the noble
lord had not given the slightest idea of the the
government would pursue. QIear, hear) They should
bear In mind that England was not now the only
great power at The tonnage of the United
States apIroaching rapdly To the whole tonnare