New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1854-03-09

the interests OF Turkey, and very serVlceaoie 70
je,e OF Ru.sia Russia had taken possession Of the
rineicalties without declaration Of war in order
prevent those treaties which were her real lnsru-
,nts Of oppression toward Turkey from falling 10 the
ground Consequently, after Turkey had declared
war IL was not wise 20 insist upon the renewal oil
thotc treaties as a basis Of negotiation The nam
auction really in hand was, what were the objects
which the Government contemplated in entering upon
This tremendous ffufelei Il was generally announced
N at the honor and the independence Of Turkey were
to be maintained but il essenta that there shoud
be rene understanding Of far more specie nature a.
to what wa mean: by tits announcement
Mr. Horsis endeayorcd to refute the f'lllsies pro
pounded by Mr. Cobden. The real question vas NOT
what Turkey u.s. tgt what Russia would become
with Turkey absorbed IN her dotninioas-i q'es'ion
whether the Emperor wac 70 be Emperor al7o Oh ior
kev1 With gunia there was but one object reeog-
uz.d the advancement II the political power by war
Her aim WAS territorial sggrandzement From the
uopstrous mepdaci;y Of the first step taken 10 THIS
matter by tie Russian aBtocfat, down 70 the atrocioas
massacre Of SpOpe bis course had been one Of ierO-
eity and fraud Of crimes that would be Conspicuous
even in the spLals Of Russia, country whose history
v.s all crime. and which were rendered still more fear
fu by that bssphcny which dared TO invoke the Gins
ti,uiiy whose laws il 20 hagrently violated On the
other hard tie conduct Of the intended victim had
been admirable Mr.. Horsfali then took great
IN excuse tyc cttUlciihB 'DuIbt VI tho wv
emmett by the difficulties whcb they found their po-
sitiep ,uriounde with Hence their diplomatic hest
tacn If oil the Cabinets Of Europe, II the most e1-
perienctd dipOmatsts bad been engaged IN opposition
70 the Autocrai it would have been impossible tOpace
him In position Of greater difficulty and embarrass
uept and from which be could not extrlcate himself
without culty end loss than that ia which either BY
TIE Llurders e our own Ministers the adrOitness
Of bis ovn, be was DOW placed Six months ago the
IUIeTor Nicholas was tie chief supporter OF the Or
- a. La- 81. 4 E.rrty I'd
unmarked as tie greatest regOlutOnst Fooled IN his
UolitiesI intriQues unsuccessful in the war IN Asia,
and well tbrafbed by the TURKS on the Danube, the
Gar he'd really shown an alacrity IN sinking whlch
was quite reirefhing. l. was now the duty OF the
Government, ii hOgtilities should commence, to take
care not TO secure peace except upon such terms
would involve ample aud certain security against any
future repetition Of similar aggression. lie trusted
that one Of the conditions for the restoration OF peace
would be that Russia should indemnify Turkey for the
e1ren,es to which che had been put and that Turkey
should receive as material guarantee, the restoration
Of territories OF which she had been deprived.
Mr. Drummond believed that We are going 70 en-
sage in religious war and are abOu; TO enter into
another crusace for the tomb OF Godfrey de BoullOn
which is already broken that it cannot be SAT upon
1t appears that the author Of the mischief from the
vey beginning has been the Pope England had not the
least nierest in the Turkish question, and war be-
successful termination, because they will fight each
other for and never do each other any harm. All
"tLht you will gain in the present war Will be hard
"knocls" Mr.. Golden had some time ago offered TO
crumpe Russia up, and il he would do so now would
save them world Of trouble In fact, the present dis
pute was whether the milliners should come from
Paris or from st Petersburg to dress the idols OF the
Holy Sepulchre They had now found out that Turkey
was their ancient ally and quite necessary to the bal
ance Of power Of Europe How in the world did it
happen that they never found that out before they took
the whole kingdom of Greece from her, and before they
fought the battle Of NayarinO, which he remembered
Lord ST Heens having described as capital battle,
only that they knocked down the wrong men. How
eamo they not to think of this when the Russians
passed the Balkan and when they might have given
Turkey efectua aid by their fcctl But now, after
they Lad reduced the Ottoman Empire TO the last stage
Of decreitude they thought to be able TO uphold this
tOtteriDg power on the pretense Of the balance OF
power. After some sarcastic remarks on the sudden
enthusiasm for BonGparte, Mr.. Drumm0nd asked who
was to be Minister of Wari All of them had
enough to show them that there was feeble hand at
the helm He did not believe that the character of
any general Of any admiral safe in the hands of
the present Administration. They were capable of
sacrificing either to please any faction in the House
II they determined TO 60 to war, they must strike
their blow at the heart of Russia, and not 20 wasting
their shots in the Black Sea They must begin by pro-
claiming the TeestabsbmeDt of the kingdom of Poland.
Above OIL be wanted TO be informed what the Govern
mtut was ABOUT. nc Hcdu OF tnt NONcIhnNul, tdu
Mr.. Drumm0nd, "prides himself on his powers Of con
"cealment and stated in another place that he should
"lke 10 see any extract information from him
switch he was not inclined to afford. That state
Z" ment reminded him of a story which he heard once
in Scetlsnd--a Highandman had gone to India, and
on his return 20 England brought home parrot
present to his wife, which talked remarkably well.
"A neighbor not wishing to be Outd0ne, went to Ed
"inburgh and brought his wife home a large owl. On
its being remarked to him that the owl could
" be taught TO speak: Very true he replied; but
"' consider the power o thocht he has in him."
Mr. Butt stated that this was the first time since the
revolution that Ministry had come down to the
House and asked for supply without stating dis
tinctly aud fully the grounds for such proposition.
In the legal sense Of the word they were not yet at
war and the House had right 10 know, on voting
these supplies what was delaying the declaration of
war against Rufsia In what equiyOca position was
their feet at the Black Sea put Admiral Dundas
had orders to send back Russian vessels to Russian
port, and it, in the execution of these orders, he de-
stroyod Russian ship while being at peace with Rus
STA Ministers prepared to justify such state Of
things He hoped il would be explained whether
assistance was to be given upon those humiliatng
teIms-hat Turkey TO place herseltn the hands of
England and France in making peace with Russial Ii
tia, was TO be the policy Of England, then Parliament
was now called upon to vote an additional force, not
for the independence of Turkey, but for her subuga
ton. Mr.. Butt betrayed some doubt whether Minis
tiers were not merely making a parade of those mill
tary Preparations for the purpose OF arriving at dis
honorable peace.
MIR S. Herbert, the Minister of War made the most
vulgar ard silly speech that could possibly be expected
even from a Coalition Minister at such momentous
crisis Tie Government was placed between two
fires. and they could find any means of ascertain
ing what opinion the House itself really entertained
nynn ka ", IL,