The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-07-13

Canadian people, as far a. they can be ascerts ned.
and are not absolutely dishonest or insulting to this
country In our opinion, that is all that We can do,
many years, and Lord Derby gives his dsinterested
testimony to its success. The natural inference .
that we had better 60 on as we have begun.
Tho Treaty with the United States.
In the House Of Lords on June "a Earl FfrxwrL.
LIAM said.-My lords, am DESTROYS Of asking a
question Of her Msjesty's government of which
have given notice to my noble friend the Secretary
Of State for Foreign Affairs. Your lordshps are OF
course aware that there is rum0r that some uaaty
is negotiating, has been actually signed between
this country and the United States relative to the
fisheries on the coasts Of the British colonies There
Is also report, and 1t is on that point DESTROYS
of having answer from my noble friend that that
treaty win contain a proyiso by which American
traders will be allowed 70 establish factories for the
purpose Of curing fish on the coasts Of the British
colonies. (Heay). Ny lords conceive this is Q
matter OF extreme importance, (hear, hear), and
am therefore DESTROYS of ascertaining at ss ca ry
period as possible whether the treaty 80 in oouse Of
negotiation, or perhaps actually concluded, con-
tans any provision to the effect that have describ
ed. (Hear). cannot conceal from your lordships
that think very serious injury would be done 10
che colonial interests Of this country and to the in
teresis OF this empire in general Il any such per
mission were granted to the United S ates
The Earl Of CLARESDoN-My lords, am happy
to say that the treaty to which my noble friend has
just alluded has been negotiated and concluded be-
tween this country and the United States. Clear,
hear.) That treaty only reached my hands yesteY.
day afternoon, having been forwarded by Lord
Egin from Quebec and really have not yet had
time to give 1t all the attention which itS impor-
lance deserves. But even il had, should not
think it proper, at the present time, to enter into
any discussion of the provisions OF the treaty,
which has not yet been approved by the Senate OF
che United States, aud has not been ratified in this
country. clear, hear) My lords, it appeared
to her Majesty's government that the return of
Lord Elgin to Canada afforded an opportunity
which ought not to be neglected, of endeayorng 10
settle those numerous questions which, for years
past have been SO embarrassing TO the two govern
ments. (fIear, hear.) One Of those questions cs-
pecialiy-t that relating to the fsheries-has gwen
rise TO annually increasing causes OF contention, and
has sometimes threatened collisions, which believe
have only been aveted for the last two years by the
frmness and moderation Of Sir George Seymour,
and Of the British aud American naval command
ers and by that spirit Of friendship ana forbearance
which has always characterized the officers of both
nayies. (Hear, hear3 But, my lords, your lord.
ships also aware that there other questions
which have given rise to embarrassing discussions
between the governments Of the two countries
questions which involve the commercial relations of
our North American possessions with the United
States; and those questions, which involve very
divergent interests, have become so complicated as
to render their solution a matter of extreme DIFF
hculty. (Hear, hear.) Blu, her Majesty's govern
ment thought that no man was more entitled
W tuc COuuutuCe Vi tuOSc COiOutCS tudu lLOTu Eli
gin, in consequence Of his untiring energy and
great exertions for the promotion of their inter
ests, and Of the success which had attended his
endeayors (Hear, hear) 1t was, therefore, pro
bable that any arrangement which Lord Egin might
make on their behalf would be viewed by the colo
nists with favor. (Hear, hearJ And here lot me
mention-for il is but an act of justice-that, in
condding this important trust to Lord Elgin, no
want OF confidence was exhibited or intended to-
wards Mr.. Champion. (Hear, hear.) His conduct
has mnrifa6 and has roCnyad tho anfira
baton Of the government. But Lord Elgin, as
Governor General of Canada, and Of the Bri.
tish possessions in North America, possessed
negotiation, which were necessarily peculiar
70 himself. (Hear, hearl Lord Elgin was met by
Mr.. Marcy on the part Of the United States govern
ment. in spirit Of the most friendly candor. Clear,
hcar) And, indeed If it had not been 80, it would
would have been impossible for him to have gone
through the preliminary discussions which were the
necessary foundation Of the treaty. (Hear.) That
treaty, however, has been concluded, and can in
form my noble friend with reference to the particu-
lar treaty about which he has asked me- that it
tains no new provision whatever for enabling Anne
rican citizens to establish factories upon the British
territories. (Hear.) As far as have been able
to institute comparison, the words are nearly
as in the treaty Of 1878 bcccaGGse, sithcugh
some concessions have been made upon the part
Of the colonists, and although they have not OBJ
tanned all the privileges which they had claimed
nevertheless believe and my opinion is strength
ened by that Of Lord Elgn, that the treaty will
prove OF sigr al benefit to the colonists and will
tend in great measure to promote and advance
their prosperity. clear, hear.) l believe, also,
that the United States will derive, as they will be
entitled to derive, reciprocal advantages, and will
which will be given for the devclopcment Of their
natural resources. (Hear, hear.) / trust, there.
fore. that nothing will occnr to mar the completion
Of this great work, which firmly believe, more
than any other event Of recent times, will contri
butte to remove all differences between two coun-
tries whose similarity of language and affinity Of
race whose enterprise and industry ought to unite
them In the bonds Of cordial friendship and to per.
petuatc feelings Of mutual confidence and goodwill.
(Hear, hear.)
The Earl Of HAHaowBY inquired, as We under.
stand, whether any concession had been obtained
from the United States with reference to the trade
between New York and California?
The Earl Of CLARENDON could only say that steps
had been taken with that view, but he was unable
to report much progress. The American govern.
ment denied the parity of circumstances between
their eastern coast and the coasting trade Of this
country: but although they admitted that England
bad granted some advantages with reference to her
own coasting trade yet they denied the importance
o. the right to demand reciprocal advantages with
reference TO their own eastern coast.
The Earl Of ELLHNBORoUGH said 1t had been con-
hdenty stated in the North American colonies that
the provisions Of this treaty had been concluded,
-
Of those colonies which were especially interested In
the fisheries. He wished to ask whether any provi-
sion Of that kind was contained in the treaty.
The Earl Of CLARENDON replied that there were
provisions in the treaty TO the carrying out Of which
the consent Of the colonial Legislature would be ne
cessary; but the government had reason to antici-
pate, from the communications received from Lord
Egin, that their approval aud concurrence would be
obtained.
The Earl of ELLENBoRouGH wished to know
whether, If the legislature of one colony should
concur and the Legislature Of another colony should
object, the whole would fall to the ground!
The Earl of DERBY quite agreed that, with re-
spect especially to the colonies interested in the
fisheries il was most important their assent should
be obtained TO an arrangement which would Wit ally
affect their interests but he was afraid that il
they were to consult the colonies with respect to
treaty with foreign country, they would be deal
ing with them as in fact independent.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said II was, Of course,
exceedingly difficult and inconvenicnt TO 60 into a
discussion with reference to negotiations the
whole facts connected with which were not yet be-
fore their ordships' house. He could only say that
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