The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-05-04

and myself the Doctor and Mrs Hayes were together
and heard what the Doctor said when the Doctor rang
the bell afraid TO go to the door so early in the
morning and the Doctor burst the door in Mrs. Hayes
was in the reception room; that is the inner room
q. What said by the Doctor at that timer A. lie
said ut is not safe to remain one moment here; saw
Mr. Hayes at the depot, and he threatens to kill you
he finds you Mr. Hayes came to the house the day be-
fore and wanted to know where you were; Mrs Lutte
ner told him she did not know where she was; she
thought she had gone to the city"
q What farther was said at that timer A. have told
you what said they put their hats to to the
police oiee but before starting the Doctor told Mrs
wife, and she did so went with her and the Doctor
went with her. went to the Jefferson Market Police
Court
O. Who did you see there9 Question objected to-
q. What said there by Mrs. Hayes, and who It
said tot A. We all went to the bar and made the
Q. What words did she use A. She said she was
afraid of her life being taken by Mr. Hayes
O. To whom did she say thisy A. To one OF the presid
ing Judges, but am unable 10 say which.
Q. Where did you next go tor A. We returned to the
o. Who returned TO the Officer A. The Doctor, Mrs.
Hayes and myself Mr. Hayes again that afternoons at
o. Where was Mrs Hayes al that tlmeY A. She was
in the consulting ROOM that opened out of the reception
room.
O. Without stating what Mr. Hayes said at that time
did he succeed coming into the Officer 0bjected to-
He came through the hall as far as the reception room
door the Doctor came out and Mr. Hayes seeing him,
down strirs and made his escape.
O. What time did Mrs. Hayes leave that Office that day.
A. Towards dark
O. who was with herr A. Another lady-a Miss Ben
amin.
O Where was the Doctor at the time you and Mrs.
Hayes left the Office that day A. He had preceded
but few minutes and left the Office there
with him that Of; turned into Grand street
from the corner of Broadway going to Broome
street to take the
Q. Did you meet any one9 and If SO, whoms A. We
saw Mr. Hayes coming down 1ne stars ana
down the public stairs; turned into Grand street. and
Mr. Hayes said, 'Cara, Clara want to speak to YOU"
Mrs Hayes said sNo no, don't want to have any
thing do with you she then between Miss Benia
min and me, having an Of each; we went on as far
the corner of Grand and Marion continuation Of
Elm street, the Doctor standing at the corner of
Grand street and Broadway and he followed aso Hayes
was following at the same time; we the right
hand going over to the Bowery the south side) when
we came out we him standing; when we got to the
Of Grand and Marion Streets r Hayes had been
talking all the way, what he said don't know we
turned to take stage and turned to see where the
Doctor and Mr.. Hayes were Mr.. Hayes was just few
steps behind with pistol in his hand and the Doctor be-
hind Mr. Hayes holding him by each shoulder.
O. What was heard, II anythingS A. Not anything
O. What kind Of pistol was this that he held in his
handg A. 1t was very small one; Mrs. Hayes and my
self took stage and went up to the Police Court again
Grand street from the Police Court We went back to the
Doctors Office.
O. When you got to the Office who If any one, did you
find in the Doctors Officer A. with emphass). There
one there
O. How did YOU get into the Officer A. With key
had in my possession; latch key for the outer pub
lie door, but there large key tor the reception
door, which think was not locked that night
Q. Did any come in theres A. The Doctor and
Mr. Hayes came in after; Mr. Hayes wanted to
Mrs Hayes alone the Doctor told them go into another
room alone, and Mrs Hayes objected
[The Court here took recess for a few minutes.l
Examination of Miss Shipman continued-Mrs. Hayes
dow he said he only wanted speak her he motion
ed towards her. and she said if he advanced another
step she would jump out ~, Of the window ,
not hear all they said what did understand was that
he would show her up what she was; she stepped
towards him and slapped his face, and said, Take
impudence
spoke in threatening tone ! could not under
stand what it was; the Doctor stepped forward and
ried, laid il the table, and said, ready for you
Mr. Hayes then took pistol from his pocket small
one something like the had seen, and held it up
and said something which did not understand and short
y after that he went out Of the Office upon Mr. Hayes
Hayes followed him Of the door, the Doctor
she had the revolver took her by the shoulder and
lrueht her into the Office Mrs Hayes had gone through
the Office and Just stepped on, Of the public door, she
use it. could yous', Mrs Hayes said. An, see if
can't and took it up from where it was lying on the
O. What further occurred9 A. Mrs. Hayes took up the
revolver and held it, and something said; did not
hear what it was the Doctor said, in kind of laugh, If
that was aimed at me, should be inclined to dodge
ittle something Of that kind Mrs. Hayes said there
that night; also remained that night; the Doctor also
O. What was the condition Of the Doctor that night
Mr. Whiting and Mr. Busted objected to going into the
condition Of the Doctor on that night which was three or
Q. repeated and objected to.) A. The Doctor was
sick on that night Mrs Lutener came there the next
Q. What became of Mrs Hayes the next morning. A.
Mrs Hayes and Mrs uener and the Doctor went up to
the police Office, they said; Mrs. Hayes back to
the Office that day with the Doctor and his wife, and
started to go hsme with them.
The JUDGE suppose she means going to Harlem9 A.
Yes sir.
witness-I next Mrs. Hayes in a few days; nothing
passed. It might have been as many three four
days, but was more than ONE cannot tell then
her at the Doctors office in the morning about IL or IL
O'Clock should think she said nothing on that occa-
is at No Nassau street; was there at time with
Mrs Hayes it was think, only day after she left
the Doctors Office objection to anything that occurred
Q. What did Mrs Hayes say when she called to ask you
to with her to Mr. Halls Officer A. She said she
afraid 60 alone and wanted me to go with her and
went; Mr. Halls Office is in the third story of
the building; we both went into the lower door;
Mrs Hayes stood below and requested to 60
up with letter, as she afraid; Mr.. Hayes
there; think he opened the door; I asked for Mr..
him the letter. then went down and asked Mrs. Hayes
to up abe went up and accompanied her; getting
Hall talking with her; do not know whether Mr..
Hayes saluted her Mrs. Hayes) not; Mr.. Hall
Mr. Hayes said he wanted to with Mrs Hayes
and desired me to leave the ROOM objected had
come there to protect Mrs Hayes and said would not
60 without her consent Mrs Hayes finally consented
although she said could not hear one word, as was
deaf Mr. Han procured for me seat in an adjoining
O. When next did you see Mrs. Hayes A. About
two hours after; walking in the hail. had got
tired went down stairs, turned into Broadway; at
the Of Broadway and Wall she said at won't do
for to be together she very much agi.
tated very much indeed; when got up to the Doctors
Office Mrs. Hays there almost was; she
told the Doctor that she had long conversation with
Mr. Hayes and felt almost inclined to go back the Doc.
tor told her to do she pleased but that he had done
all he could to protect her. and to remember that IL she
got into such scrape again not to to him. she left
the Office and did not her again until within week
two before the Doctors death she came principally
about the letters she had given into the Doctors
possession.
O. What did she say about the letterss state all that
occurred nearly you recollect objected 10.
Overruled and excepton) A. She said Mr.. Hayes was
in awful rage that he had heard the Doctor had these
letters and she wanted them the Doctor sad 'You
have the letters IL you retract all that you have said
about Mr. Hayes she replied that the Doctor knew she
could not recall II and that she wanted the letters.
q. Who the Doctor talking to at the time? A.
To he said tell Mrs Hayes that she shall have the
letters IL she will retract all that she said Of Mr.. Hayes;
Mrs. Hay es answered to me- 1.-The Doctor knows can't
do that / want tho lettera, nothing else that know