The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1854-05-03

Mr. T0tCEY Mr PresdsSi, infer, from the introduo-
ton Of this here, that the application has been
made the President make the very change which Is
proposed by the present amendment The law gives the
President the power to make that change and infer
therefore, that II has been accomplished, because the
Executive convinced that ought be done Now
sir am not willing unless good ground be presented
here for it to take an appeal from the Executive 70 THIS
chamber or to Congress- IN matter in regard TO which he
must be better informed it being part of his executive
duty than the legislative department Of the govern
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ii understand the matter these two offices united
in every Territory except in Oregon by the existing law;
but in regard TO Minnesota is conferred upon the
President to make the separaon and he has not chosen TO
make any such change. The Committee On Indian Affairs
of this body has reported in favor Of any such change
has any member of that committee IL understand this
matter Alright except the from Wisconsin, favored
IT. But here IL proposition brought IN against the action
Of that committee Or without its action and against or
without the action Of the President proposing make
exception in regard TO the Territory Of Mnnesota may
be right not prepared to say that it's not right but
contrary TO the practice Of the government hitherto
correctly informed except in the Of Oregon, and
readily conceive why that should be an exception
If proper presented us, upon general
grounds would have law which would apply to all the
Terrorics at all events should not be willing TO make
the change unless it came from the commtees or in some
Mr.. WALKkR simply wish to answer as to the infer
snce drawn by the senator from Conneccu He he
nss that application has been made to the President
do just what it is proposed to do by this amendment
wish to him and the Senate that II any such app
cation has been made to the President am entirely ig
norant Of it. do not think such application has been
made II it had been made however have no doubt the
President gave this If separate the duties Of
superintendent of Indian affairs fvm those Of governor
shall reduce the governors salary $1,000 leaving him only
1900 year That would be inadequate and therefore
decline to separate the two Offices That probably would
be his If he asked to make the CHANGE and
think he would be correct in it. He would be correct in
it he looked only to the interests Of the and
not to those of the indiana II he looked to the inter-
Of the governor Of Minnesota he would that BY
making the change he reducing the salary OF the
crnor 80 much without having any power 70 make COM
the senator from Michigan To- TO separate the duties OF the
two Offices and when the proper bill comes 70 increase
the salary OF the GOVERNOR 50 ~ % DO hmm usuc linen
only 70 do the part of Congress- whst the
dent could not do in justice to the governor Of
There has been to my knowledge no application made to
Mr. TOUCEY.fsI did not mean to say that there had
been any such application merely drew the inference in
the President and that upsn that subject he was much bet
ter informed than individual members Of the Senate; and
confdcd in his action and especially when that action IL
sustained by the appropriate committee OF this body
Mr.. SEBASTIAN. The debate upon this amendment of
the committee and upon the amendment proposed to it by
the from Michigan has assumed wide range
and involved the discussion Of many coater questions
and considerations that beg the attention OF the Senate
short time merely to ensble to state the very sim
Committee on Indian Affairs That amendment proposes
simply allow the locations Of the present superintendent
a. he dsoreon Of the Prssden which is
course the discretion of the Indian Department in order to
Indian system to the shifting and chan
ging geographical position of the Indians 1t is matter OF
evident necessity the propriey of which, presume no
76 eatlt2sE. will VII question: 49,. .0a
from that Of governor OF the Territory d @
the Committee Indian Affairs have had that sub
ect under consideration and they but very slight
consideration it indeed they could not agree to recon-
mend it, II did not meet the sanction of the judgment OF
the committee The opposite policy has been pursued SO
long and has, with few exceptions, worked SO WELL
that not prepared TO recommend OF he
duties Of the two Offices in this The Offices of
nendent of Indian and executive Of the Territory
are now united the Territories Of New Mexico tah
Washington and Minnesota we were therefore not pre-
tl.n ,apt uhis
by senator from Michigan He seeks to do by law that
which existing laws authorize be accomplished by sm
pie order Of the Executive ~
Now sir in order to meet tho only argument which, as
seems me- from Michigan has brought for
against leaving this discretion with the President
s he would like to exercise IL because by so
doing he would decrease the governors salary intend
the Senate decline adopt the Of the senator
Michigan which hope they will do, TO oner ths
proviso 10 the amendment Of the committee
Prorided That whenever the President may order the
transfer Of the duties Of superintendent Of indian
Of such governor shall thereafter be dollars per an
mum. lfi'r a'
By putting in such provision this we shall remove
all the difficulty and ali the objection arising out OF the
sudden decrease of the salary Of that officer and leave the
question Of the separation Of the duties OF the two
be determined provided for by law'hat y by the
President of the United States presume that peing
mere matter of administrative detail y Is much pettef
Il should be left to the discretion Of the President VINO
supposed to Of the exgencies OF he na
service than we are and allow him to accomplish by
simple order that which we regulate it must be done oy
n fixed imperative and compulsory law. ,.,
Mr. STUART 1t has become matter OF very niue
consequence with whether the Senate adopt my
meut as shall modify i;becanse intend 70 'sst ine
sen OF the Senate upon the question: and she'll
modify il so TO the salary OF the governor ~
the same tu,eor whether they adept the suggestion now
ntimated by the senator from Arkansas AND, sur pu,
for some things which have been said IN the depate
should have concned myself with allowing the quesuon
to be taken without any further remarks but the
ment which have made here has been chnrac'erhcu W
the senator from Illinois and by the senator Tyn r,a9
Connecticut as most remarkable. The senator ron ~
nois characterized my amendment as most ssp sws.p
inc one making very great change In our naan
relations and said ought TO receive tns soIous -
sidcraton of the Committee on Indian ana'rs NM !"
a. ean.,s This only goes show how men may diner
I consider il the simplest question IN the wor'a anu :"
duced to a nutshell -, - -
Conress in 1851 provided for general change OF IN
dian snperintendcnces cast Of the Rocky mountains anu
The senator seems have forgotten in his remarks at
the history of the in respect TO its indian nj
fairs is history Of frand and plunder The senator
be can see no reason why this change should pe mane
WHY sir the system itself was subjected IN 'ne nanos ~
designing men to preparation OF such irands upon e
treasury OF the United States that 1t was mPosspe 10,
human ingenuity to prevent them; and the shtisucs wiz
chow that this government has been pundercd to greater
extent through its Indian agencies than from a o'her
sources put together. Hence Congress IN lool, pss
aroused 20 the importance Of this questions resoVea 70
sveen AWAY all these informal modes OF distributing money
among the Indians and experimenting Indian aars anu
provided for three general agents, who snoud DC
by the President and confirmed by the Senate Pn'a Nv,
ral salary and held rigid accountability Tor tne
exercise Of the duties Of their Office The Territory OF
nesota was excepted out Of that general rule or
which have already alluded and which VIII not uu ..
the Senate with repeating. The ground OF tne rhs
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