The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1854-07-09

SUNDAY MOkNlT
able adequately to do so. (Hear, hear.) Ny lords.
the despatch for which propose to move was first
referred to In this house by the late Lord Grey very
shortly aHer he became Minister II has been mem
TONED at other times, both here and in the House
OF Commons. 1t has been moved for, but it has
been hitherto withheld from various reasons. It
was referred TO by myself not very long ago, and
VIII now be produced at = very fitting time. have
observed. both in print, and. as understand from
very high authority, In other place, the astound
ing declaration has been made t0at l have recently
claimed the honor Of framing the treaty Of Adris-
question will show your lordships how far was en-
gagged IN framing that treaty-whst were my op
MONS, and the opinions Of the government whose
organ was on that occasion, and what were the
pact between the Porte and Russia. (Hesr, hear.)
Ny lords, 1t has been observed that this treaty
" supposed TO have been viewed by me, from
% what ! said the other day, If not with approba-
that, such was the impression produced by that
tfeay-such was the alarm excited at its conclusion
In consequence OF supposed dangers to the exist
ence OF the Turkish empire-that the whole policy
point IN consequence Of its existence. have al
ready, think, referred in this house to the fact
which your lcrdship ps well know that at the begin
ning and during the progress Of the Greek revolu-
Of Greece as an Independent kingdom; neither did
nor the Duke Of Wellington ever contemplate the
existence Of Greece as an independent kingdom but
solely as vassal State under the suseraint OF the
Porte. omewhat similar to Wallachia and Moldavia;
but when the treaty Of Adrianople was signed, 1t
appeared to me, and my noble friend then at the
head OF the government agreed with me, that the
condition Of the Turkish empire was 80 perilous in
itself that It would be extremely unwise to create
State and place it under the protection and
suze otne OF an empire which itself was exposed to
extreme peril, and the existence Of which was
not to be counted on for any time with the least de-
to our allies to convert that vassa State into an in
dependent kingdom. Our allies agreed, and the
Porte at last assented to II also; and hence
s;s.a.s the existence Of Greece as an independent
on us by the terms Of that treaty. My lords,
this shows, at least, what were our i'm
pIessions with regard TO that treaty. whether right
Of wrUng they nd g. that time and they
fnlly admit that these apprehensions have turned
out TO be greatly exaggerated. However disastrous
that treaty and however mischevous its conditions,
nevertheless we have had the experience Of twenty
more than that We have had proof Of the vigor, Of
the energy, the courage and the perseverance with
which the troops Of that empire can maintain its In
dependence. (Cheers) It is obvious, then, that
sequences OF that treaty. Now, my lords, do not
mean TO say that, though fortunately were great
ly mistaken in the amount Of danger-I do not mean
night at any other time, that that treaty Was not
In the highest degree disastrous and prejudicial.
Hear, hear.) Ny noble and learned friend, think
called 1t unfortunate; but that 10 not word sum-
ceDtly strong to describe s real character. (Hear
Ny lords, when said the other night that, disas-
trous "a the treaty was, Russia had acquired no
great territorial acquisitions by that treaty, said
90 e simple truth was induced to say SO, and,
perhaps, to dwell upon II, in consequence Of deca-
ration, most exaggerated and unfounded, Of my mo-
ble and learned friend that the Russian empire had
increased ts tertories-had doubled its territories
In Europe within the last so years. That knew TO
be completely Incorrect; and, with the results Of
this treaty before me, donbtless sdduced it as an
exsmple TO show that the extenson Of territory had
not taken place at all IN the degree asserted by my
perfectly well, and repeated it as fact. that no
Considerable extension Of territory hal taken place
by that treaty, was not the less aware Of the i'm.
portance Of the acquisitions that had been made BY
Ssi tss ~ vs the 9s
Asvigation of the Dsnubs; knew the great impor-
tsnce Of the ports acquired in Asia, which, though
small In extent, yet had character Of high political
which move is long and win be laid on the table,
Twill not fatigue your lordships with it, but will
only read single extract to show that, though
dwelt strongly on the limited extent Of territorial
by that to invalidate the political importance
OF the acquisitions actually made. (Hear, hear.)
That despatch Says
not BE- easy to sceuss Of want Of generosity the
and who spares the dsfenceIsss capital Of his
my Nevertheless the treaty in quesoncertainly not
ing declarations and assurancesappears vitality to A.
feet the interests the strength the dignity the present
ssfety and future Independence Of the Ottoman empire
equally Irresistible The independence Of State may be
overthrown and its subsection eectuaiy secured With
cupsson Of ss soil Under the present treaty the terri
toria acquisitions Of Russia small II must be ad
IN Extent .hSusn MOst in their
yalusble than tho possession Of barren provinces and
depopusted and better calculated to rvet the
This IL part Of letter addressed by me to Lord
Heytesbury. Il shows your ordships that the small
extent Of territorial acquisitions did not at all blind
me to the importance and character of what had
been obtained, and when the other night dwelt
on the absence Of territorial acquisition in this
treaty. Of course did 20 with the view Of contra
dieting the fact asserted by my noble and learned
friend. stated O. geographical truth. with
portance Of the character Of the treaty ITSELF That
treaty was the commencement OF change Of policy
on the part Of Russia, for had the policy OF the EN-
press Catherine been pursued In the treaty Of Adr
of territory would have been obtained, but at that
time the change in the policy Of Russia took place,
and this accounts for the absence of EDITORIAL &C.
QUESTION In that treaty. But this charge Of policy
Russia, instead Of obtaining that which say 1t has
done during the preceding century, has since the
time Of this treaty looked to an extension Of polt
cal influence rather than to the acquisition Of terri
Of "Satan grown wiser than in days Of yore." "a
laugh.) And we find that Russia has sought to OBJ
tain the same object by different mcans-by means
calculated not 50 greatly to alarm the European
Powers hear, hear), and this is the secret Of the
whole Of the policy that Russia has pursued Of late
years. The treaty Of Unkiar Skelessi was made
when the Russian army was In possession Of Con-
stantinople, and Of course there s no doubt II the
former policy Of the Empress Catherine had been
pursued great acquisition Of territory would
have been made, and could not have been re-
sisted under the relative position Of the two
Powers at that time but instead Of this, pri-
~f.~o. ~ovn awacfod ~hsrh wara inrnavtant for