The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1854-05-03

Mr. SEBASTIAN win the senator from Illinois ALLOW
me to correct him2
II Mr. DOUGLAS. Certainly.
Il Mr. SEBASTIAN. From the tenor OF his remarks
suppose the senator takes for granted that the committee
have recommended this separationY
i Mr.. DOUGLAS. No do not understand il So was
pursuing the train OF remark these gentlemen
Messrs STUART and wAKsR were arguing in derogation
OF the COMMITTEES so far as am informed. Hftt&tH
/ Mr.. SEBASTIAN. The committee have recommended
simply TO make the location seat o the superintendent
ces Notwithstanding The proposition separate
the superntendency from the goyernorshp
| senator from Michigan. lF Nafnaa sa NJ tfrhn
Mr. DOUGLAS. | very glad to hear that expana-
ton. supposed that such the case and was arg-
ing in that manner because the Committee Indian AT
fairs had been deprived Of their legitimate functions and
had not had charge Of the subject II why
should go to the Committee Indian Affairs We know
that thai committee have devoted their attention 10 Indian
affairs and understand these questions much than
Inc other members of the Senate do. We know that the
chairman Mr. SEBASTIAN has devoted his attention
them until he is perfectly acquainted wIth the question in
all its bearings and think that proposition sweep
ing as this ought to have from that committee and
not to have been brought in by persons connected with
the committee at ALL That is the reason arguing
As to the recommendation of the committee that the
President might change the sites Of the superntendents
think i is proper and right One Of them is located now
IN St Louis. There Indians within many hundred
miles of that place BY changing his locality from there
to St Josephs, Missouri tho moat, Of the Kansas
cd n I ne ps
duties II the President should to the conclusion that
such was the case would be well to permit him TO change
the location with reference placing him nearer the thea
OF his action or the scene Of his duties So II would be
with the other agencies.
But sir when you to the question Of separating
the duties Of superintendent in the Territories from the Of
hce OF governor il is question Of vast Importance
quiring mature consideration am by means certain
but that the governor Of Territory
the Indians that other would possess The very
fact that he is governor the very title of his Office the very
fact that he is commanderinchef Of the militia of the
Territory the very fact that he has the executive power end
authority in his hands, the right to call the militia the
right to exercise military power makes him the proper
TO enforce your Indian laws in the event they resisted
by the Indians you have mere superintendent there
he is with naked authority without the power to
enforce his commands Are you going to have your
perintendent per With authority to call upon and command
orders are resisted and that he cannot execute them who
then is to call out the militia the military authority for
that purpose? Is 1t the superintendent himself Ii So
you make him commander-in-chief your governor
1t will produce collision Of authority and think that
requires debeation before throw all this confusion
into the government of the different Territories of the
Union. | wish to see the necessity for this change.
should like to hear the experience of the distinguished
senator from m Wisconsin Mr. DoDaE who has been the
rience Of the distinguished senator from Iowa, Mr..
DoDGk who has lived nearly all his life in Territories or
of the other senator from Iowa. Mr. JoNEs who has rep
resented Territories nearly his whole life here should
like to have those gentlemen who are familiar with the
territorial organization, with the duties of the superintend
ent of Indian affairs with the authority of the governor
and who have had experience upon the subject confer with
the Committee Indian Affairs and prepare such gem
did not desire, Mr. President to interfere with this
question; bat my position chairman of the Committee
Territories makes it my duty to call the attention of the
Senate to the subject show that by pursuing the
proposed by the senator from Michigan you will be pro-
ducing eesusio in the whole territorial organization
Mr. HUNTER hope we shall conhne ourselves TIE
amendment of tho Committee Indian Affairs, and not be
introducing other topics which il is evident will lead to
debate in regard the general policy which should prevail
in the government of the Indians think would be bet
ter TO reserve those questions for some separate bill The
h, t.eeo n
regard changing the locations Of the superinendences
of necessity and trust that the other matter
viii not be pressed upon us now. ~ VI rlt4e.A ~
Mr.. WALKER There is point in the remarks OF the
senator from Illinois Mr.. DorGLAs TO which wish to
make very brief reply He suggested one reason against
the amendment of the senator from Michigan and think
in that reason there force involved than in any
other which he gave He says he thinks that 1t is pecu-
ary appropriate that the governor OF Territory should
be superintendent of Indian affairs ID aJ sea5E sIr
Mr. DOUGLAS. ! say that such has been the practice;
and do what there for change IN aprac
mee on Indian Affairs satisfy me that there is ne
cessity for change after mature consideration should
be likely bow with Difference to the opinion Of that COM
mttee. e.A. HGf @I a|E Elt it Hes a-#
Mr. WALKER. The propriety Of the governor Of a
Territory being at the time superintendent Of Indian
affairs certainly enforced by the senator from ILLINOIS,
and he gave for and TO that reason wish to re-
py His reason the governor had influence over
the Indians he held the title and official position
Of governor and because he was besides eommandern-
chief of the territorial militia and had power to call them
out Did that senator reflect that when the governor
calls the militia he does governor and not as su-
perntendent Indian aars2 The superintendent s not
appointed fight the Indians but TO protect their interests
10 for them, and TO look after their welfare Them II
the Indians under the superinendency OF separate
superintendent OF Indian affairs what viii be the result
II violence between them and the whites the gov
does Just what he would do he were also supern
enden Of Indian affairs he calls out the militia then For
what To protect the interests OF the indians
To taso care Of them2 No srl But to whip them and
TO protect the whites. That is just what be would do II
the Indians under the SUPPLEMENTARY OF person
separate from governor lie would call out the militia
to fight them and put down the insurrecon That ~ his
duty governor and not superintendent ana ms De-
ing superintendent disquales him. to great extent from
doing for the very instruction may arise from ms
fault and he has committed the fault and excited the
Indians commit violence he turns round and calls out
the militia to fight them, and put them down Sir there
should dsnterested person to judge of that NATTER and
he should be the superintendent OF Indian affairs and not
the governor 1t is not for the superintendent to set up
rule OF action for the whites but for the Indians and the
governors duty is TO up rule Of action for the whites
II is not his duty and il Is imposed upon him. ns SUI
perntendent of Indian affairs to call out the militia TO night
the Indians When he does and appeals TO arms he docs
Il as the enemy Indians governor and not in dis
charge OF his duties as superintendent
think that when the idea advanced by the senator rom
Illinois properly understood il will be an argument ior
the proprey separating the offices Of governor and SUI
perintenden hope and trust that it viii he done IN ts
instance that the proposition OF the chairman OF ue
Committee Indian Affairs viii not he adopen ror one
do not wish II adopted unless the proposon OF
frcd by the senator from Michigan be also adopted II
! the two can 90 together, will vote for them
Mr. DOUGLAS 1t may be that all the difficulties which
the from Wisconsin portrays may exist IN case we
do not change the law but sir inasmuch as me system
which he proposes change and which he thinks viii be
so dreadful and unjust in its operation has been IN ex
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