The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1854-05-05

tcl4saL FORMING thcTN Territory
tboughi necessary 70 have an Indian agent
A0w 10 the JnrisdcOn 81 the superintendent In Ore
gol presume thai he remedied by extending the s-
pernsendency 70 Washington That Is answered ~ The
suggestion = the governor of Washington has The super
intenaenry 0i Indian Affairs
Thea there could he an agent Tor Washington Territory
~ while Washingon formed part OF Oregon Territory
and ht proper amendment would be transfer the jars-
detioa q thai sgsneg 70 the governor Of Washington
AE. SEBASTIAN imagine there s ample use for al
the Indian agents who already ia 0rcgon They have
made several treaties ia Oregon bat have been made
N Washington at all lE Washington the l~rsoasa Of
the Indian department consists Of the superintendent With
oar any agent or subagents There Is agent sub
agent Pugefs Sound Governor Stevens says il is
almost an une1pIored country.
Mr. BELL refer to The serflcments south or Pugets
SQUAD really do not know how tar settlements
Mr. SEBASTIAN win say 10 the senator thai there
Is no need Of appointing all the three agents this time
Mr.. SELL Very well
Mr. SEBASTIAN, The department asked for power to
appoint number exceeding three presume that
this time agent would be sufficient for the country be-
tween the Pacific and the Cascade range and another
among the Flafheads along the eastern range of mountains
would be sufficient There wandering tribes in
Washington except those the mountains the Others
stationary having their fixed dwellings lodges
The amendment agreed 10.
Mr.. SEBASTIAN. 1 offer the following amendment:
For deaying the expenses witnesses marshal attorney
notary interpreters and stationery and for copying evidence
IN the Investigation q the official conduct Of Alexander Ram
say, Of Minnesota, $40.
That item and several which viii follow are the same
the amendment which under discussion yesterday
with the exception that they leave the item embracing
the compensation for Governor Gornan and provide only
for the necessary expenses the fees OF Witnesses the
penses Of Interpreters and Of arss for the service of
and are recommended The item which excepiiona
bic separated from these (which estimated for and
are now recommended by the committee.
The amendment agreed as-s
Mr.. SEBASTIAN. The neat item is the following.
For the services Of Robert A. Matthew for copying the
proceedings and evidence IN said Investigation under The
sGGso' sse T Richard n Young ono Of The commissioner
This item is not embraced in the last estimate but an
additional estimate is from the Secretary Of the inte-
ror At TIE time that the proceedings Of that commission
settled the papers in regard 10 this claim for
time mislaid, and it not paid. We have them
upon hand and the amendment is offered the
claim On the return Of Judge Young Of the commits
sioners this place and he had ceased drsw pay
commissioner he employed clerk copy all the eyi
dence TO ransbe II and prepare ii in due form II WIS
service which think was well worth the money which
is asked for it
Nj. HUNTER desire simply to remark that hope we
shall get through with this and that win not again
peat the experiment upon which the expenditure is found
ed Last year the Senate undertook request the Pre
dent without the Of the other house 20 enter
into the investigation which led to ell this expense The
Department OF the Interior seemed TO think that il
done BY order Of the Senate should be paid Of the
contingent fund Of the Senate and believe portion Of
the expenses-Judge Youngs compensationwas so paid
This all shows the anomalous sort OF Legislation into which
have been led. 1t 10 that except for the
penses Of the Senate itself this body and the President
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States We have authorized this be done We had bet
pay this gentleman and repea; The precedent aore
Committee Indian Affairs II this Is not private claim
and if il be such suggest that il is not competent for It
to be offered as amendment 10 appropriation bill
Mr. SEBASTIAN ! spprehend that il Is more pri-
yate claim than the payment Of witnesses Insrhals and
others who engaged in this examination. We have
agreed t. pay the expenses Of other persons engaged IN the
execution Of this commission This claim ought have
been and would have been paid hy the department the
funds had been sufficient; and are now supplying the
deficiency II Is for services rendered in pursuance Of
resolution Of the Senate; ard may say that this is
sonabe and necessary expenditure and the whole erpend
tures incurred by the commission do any
thing very alarming The fact that have been compelled
present these items in detail Of the objection
yesterday has made them appear much larger than they
otherwise would do not think that the claims Of every
kind and every expense attendant upon the Investigation
exceed $1,000 Il Is certainly very small amount
pared with The expense Of some Investigations which hare
bern entered into
Mr. CHASE submit the question 70 the Chair whether
this m not private elan7 do understand the
ment Of the honorable from Arkansas be that
the claim II Consequence q any special appropriation
President 10 cause certain investigation be made and
this Is Of the items Of the claim made in consequence
Of that resolution But there has been appropriation
made for the purpose Of carrying The resolution hence
| submit the question to the Chair
/ Nr HUNTER suggest 70 the senator from Ohio that
this arises out o the anomalous nature Of the proceedings
right 70 authorize the President 70 the Investigation
be made unless il meant to pay for the expenses out Of
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that and It to thar The best way would he 10
dispose Of by settling the claim IN this bin and said
before repeat the experiment, think that prob
ably did depart from powers in Authorizing any
such expenditure be incurred unless Il something
that properly within the range of the appropriations
out Of ibe contingent fund Of the Senate
M CHASE Ny desire 70 adhere 70 the rules Of the
Senate in legislation BY unanimous oonsen; these
rules can be dispensed with sud ceriny have wish
nieTpose any objection 70 this particular amendment
Mr. HUNTER am very anxious 70 preserve that rule
bat merely suggest that s arises out o the anomalous
nature u the proceeding which authorizes The payment out
Of The contingent fund Of the senate
Mr. CHASE 1 acquiesce
The PRESIDING OFFICER lNr BxIcHr in the cfisrl
expenditure under resolution of The Senate IL Is In
The power of The Senate 10 provide Tor W payment The
question e on the adoption of the amendment
The amendment was agreed 70
Mr SEBASTIAN. The next item E
For paying expenses and fees of Witnesses sunnoned
in said investigation hy the United States the
Aersnder Ramsay, $50.
That also one of the items o expenses attendant on
this investigation. have plsced IL In separate smcnd-
ment beause u stsnds upon separate ground from the
Others II has hen estimated FOR recommended
by the department and submit separst, amend
meat order that the Senste msy pass re Judgment as 70
the propety uf allowing II " ia for the Of wit
who summoned by the United SiAcs s the in
q the respondent Governor Ramsay In this nves
gaton and suppose that the government incurs pre-
c=ely the obligation to pay thcn II docs 10
pay those who summoned In behalf of the United
/ states
This Investigation did not take fe form Of suit p-
dictment making the party drndant but the whole Oh
Jet sscrrain the Circumstance in regard 20 the
duct q Governor Rsnsay The commissioners therefore
examined al se persons who we're hTough forward ss