The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1854-04-08


OF The physicians II would annoy them 10 come here
go there, OF elsewhere Ii seems 10 me that the certificate
aud he AFFIDAVIT OF two physicians will be sufficient safe
Mt HUNTER My idea is that The Secretary Of the
Inferior wil prescribe regulations which will secure the
sWhs q the eeruhcaes BY proper persons he will pre-
mat we mehiment should be in It's present form.
would be willing, though, il that would accommodate
ana satisfy the senator who proposes his 10 agree that
the pension agent should approve OF them but there
must be authority this pointvesed somewhere, Some
reliable person must exercise sort of supervision
WIN regard TO the who TO cerlfy TO the dsa
btliiy
Mr.. PETIT. ask The senator how he understands
this language Must these physicians be named and
approved beforehand, or will il do 10 nave them ap-
proved by the pension agent Secretary OF the Interior
after hey have made HE affidavit
MI. HUNTER ! do not understand that they are to
be approved beforehand but hey to be approved
cording 10 some regulation | have doubt that the
Secretary OF the Interior will direct the pension agent
approve them upon some certain criterion, certain
evidence The purpose OF the amendment is to exclude
The certificates OF physicians who incompetent
Mr. PETIT. There is not much danger TO be appre-
headed on that account
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on
agreeing 10 The amendment proposed by the senator from
Indana 10 the amendment TO strike out the words sap
proved by the Secretary OF The Interior"
Mr.. JONES, Of Iowa. The existing law requires that
tie surgeons who certify in the hrs place. TO pu, these
upon the pension roll shall have their character as
surgeons certified to the department before the pension
can be , ob!sine9 That is the law now
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Mr., JONES, OF Iowa, A certificate must be given as
TO their character as surgeons by member OF Congress-
or judge OF court OF record That certificate is neces'
safy before the pension can be obtained.
MIR. PETIlI Let the amendment say g two repu-
table surgeons"
Mr.. JONES, of Iowa That is the law now.
Mr.. PRATT. | suggest to the senator from Indiana,
that possibly his view, well that OF the senator
from Virginia, may be met by substituting the ella
which be proposes 10 strike out, Tor the words" APP
proved by The words satisfactory to that thai part
OF the amendment will read " the affidavit OF two sur
geons or physicians satisfactory TO the Secretary Of The
Interior" @...T.H#tA ....a s. .#..#s .|sH
Mr., JONES, of Iowa That is the law now
Mr.. PRATT, Then there can be no harm done by
putting It IN here, That will necessarily imply that the
satisfaction is 10 be subsequent 10 The afidaviis
Mr., PETIT have no objection 10 that.
The PRESIDING OFFICER The question is on the
amendment TO The amendment 10 strike oat the words
=" approved by The Secretary OF the Interior"
Mr.. PETIT. accept The modification suggested by
the senator from Mars land.
The PRESIDING OFFICER Tie question then is
on the amendfaent as modified 10 the amendment OF the
committee, to strike out "approved by and insert " sat-
sisctory TO-"
MIR. BAYARD. The objec, of the amendment of the
Is TO prevent fraud aud do not that the
provision will be materially altered by The amendment
suggested by the senator from Mary land do see
that there Is any practical difficulty in the Of the
words approved by the Secretary Of The laterior" be-
cause PROFESSIONALLY must leave some discretion in
the performance oil Their duty 10 the executive officers IN
regard TO this approval bu suppose they will perform il
in manner which will be according 10 he law, aud so
carry out its object The object OF The amendment
Is 10 prevent fraud. II Is 10 give 10 the government
check upon the selection OF those surgeons whose
lection By the parties, without any checking on
The part Of The government, would be liable 10 lead 10
fraud because the government would have means
OF knowing as TO whether they competent TO
anime or moi, or whether their certificates were worth
any hing Or not do say that prevent fraud
aogeheT, II you do have hem approved By the Sec
relay oil Tie Interior but, at all events By having Ia
50 approved, The government Will have check upon
frauds arising from The selection by the Individual option
caprice Of individual, who night design TO detraud
AID who might Otherwise obtain persons certify, as
surgeons phy slcans, who are not really entitled 10 The
II you strike out that clause OF the section,
my judgment you render II perfectly useless and nuga
tory.
declared that appeared TO lie carried 10 the Affirmative.
Slr. BAYARD, | call for tue yeas and nays upon IT,
Mr.. HUNTER understand The honorable senator
rom Indiana 10 accept toe modification suggested ny The
senator ron Mao aod
Mi PETIT. Yes, sir
Mr., HUNTER We sgtyc to that We do no, ask
The yeas ard nays upon i
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Doe. the senator from
Delaware insist upon The call for he yeas aud Ddys
Mr.. BAYARD. No,sL
The amendment vas agreed 10
The PRESIDING OFFICER The question
az eelug 10 he amendment reported BY the Com
n,tlee on Finance, as amended.
MEPECur. liili 10 order, now propose TO move
a new section IN lieu OF that amendment, TO strike oul
the whole Of il, and insert new section.
TIE PRESIDING OFFICER. That is now in order,
there be further amendment proposed TO perfect The
Mr.. PETIT. | move, then, 10 strike out the whole
Of the amendment Of the committee, amended, and IN
srrt the following;
That whenever the Secretary ofIhe Interior shall have
cause beu4vr any pension has been procured by
ffaud he shan have l power 10 inquire into be by
shall adopt and alter soch inquiry aud
examination % suptnd the payment o. such pension tenn.
p0fariiy or hnuly"
Mr. HUNTER Personally that would be acceptable
10 me hul afraid that II Is introduced Il will lead
The debate over again ! think We had better vote the
amendment ID o. cut, a. the majority may decide
Mr. PETIT. It's fair provision, and have no De.
sire TO debate H.
MI HUNTER | fnd here are persons friendly to
The section prepared BY NE department who arc not will
iRR % sanction that proposed b. the senalOr IRON Indiana
For myself, would have 10 objection To II bat | am
not willing 70 prolong the debate further. think we
hal better vote he smgndnett Of The committee ~ OF
OUT, as may suit the majority Of The Senae.
Mr. RUSk suggesl, also, 70 the senator from udl-
ana believe the amendment ot the committee ought 70
be rejected. Willug 10 vote 10 detect fraud but ara
Wngto subject the pensioners to The inconvenience
which Il proposed 10 be Frescbet BY our action hee.
The section not properly maued in his respect BY the
committee Bot ii Is now a matter OF accommodation;
and suggest 10 Tie senator from Indiana to press ks
amendment, bot let Us vote down the amendment oi the
committee. The subject should be considered carefully
before we adopt such regulation is proposed
Mr. PETIT Ii we can reject The whole provision
shalt be glad OF Il.
Mr.. RUSK | desire 10 see il rejected
Mr. ADAMS. Let thequesion be taken upon the mo-
ton 10 stike ont
Mr. PETIT Withdraw my amendment.
VT. RUSh am willing 10 vote for any proper, we'll
INSURED plan 10 detect Iaud
Mi PETIT. | withdtaw my proposed Insertion;
and shall vote against The amendment OF the committee.
Nj HUNTER Let US vote on The section which the
committee propose.
The question was stated Ia bp upon agreeing 10 the