Richmond daily times. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1853, 1853-02-16
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IF5H there be War beteesa England and III
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arbitration and peace, commenced at Manchester
on Thursday, the 9Th of January. The first
meeting of the conference was held ut :he Corn
Exchange, when MIR. G. Wilson was elected
Chairman, supported by Mir. Cohbeu Mp, Mr..
| Bright, NIP, Mr.. J &. Smith, NIP, Mr..
Joseph Brothertou, MP, Mr.. G. Hatfield, MP,
| MIR. Joseph Surge, Mr.. 9. Hindley, MP, and
other members of the Legislature and persons of
distinction. Mr.. Bright, Mp, in the course of
a long speech, made the following comments upon
the United States
Recently there was a case, and a very inter-
esting one, which has been alluded to-in one
sense had almost said, unfortunately. it did not
go to arbitration-but, probably because it might
have gone to arbitration, the powerful nation that
was in the wrong gave way. You recolleet a
discussion lately, in the papers, about the Lobos
Islands, in the Pacifc-slands in which there are
deposits of manure worth in this country many
pounds ton, and likely to be of great advantage
to the Peruvian government. Attempts were
made to involve our country in squabble with
the Peruvian government with regard to the pos
session of those islands, but the Foreign Minister
1 believe, Lord Palmerston first, and Lord
Malmesbury afterwards, declared that we had no
RICH title to them and whether they belonged to
Peru not he not the person to settle, but,
they did not belong to US. we could have no pre-
tence for going there. But the United States for
moment took different course, and a Minister
them--a Minister, perhaps, one of the most elo-
quent men at any rate that the y. States ever pro-
duced-1Mr. Webster took different view from
our Foreign Minister, and insisted upon it that
those islands belonged to the United States, and
ships went off to those isles under the impression
| that that which the American Secretary of State
had declared to be the law, would be maintained
| by the forces Of the United States. But what
was the result? There is a treaty between the
| powerful nation of the United States and the
comparatively feeble nation OF Peru and that
| treaty has distinct clause to this effect, that
| wherever any matter shall arise, any dispute be-
| tween those two countries it shall at once be
| ferred to competent persons to decide and both
| nations bind themselves to accept the award
(Hear, hear) Well, now look at the advantage
| to Peru ia such that. The navy of the
United States could sweep from the seas the navy
of Peru. Peru gained UNNECESSARILY by having
such treaty that, provided it went to arbitration,
and provided that Peru was right. The U. States
would gain, because, there being q treaty, no
meddlng selfish, grasping portion of our COM
| munity could drive our government to war;
sThere is the treaty. the Secretary of State
might say; 81 cannot send ships of war to defend
our assault on the Lobos Islands; it is matter in
dispute, and we must refer it to impartial
persons; it is necessary for the character OF
magnanmous nation like ours, that whatever
be the award we must positively abideby it,
The question was not referred to arbitration;
there was no award The American government
it may be, knowing that there was that
clause-it may be, from further investigation
become convinced that right was with the Peru
Wan government; and, therefore, all that had been
said by the American Secretary was ignored,
fresh instructions were given, and the claim of
the Peruvian government to those Islands was
at once freely, fully admitted. Now, why should
we not all ha We precisely the same arrangement
The other day, the Times newspaper, which is
taking very judcious and an admirable course in
the tone with which it writes on almost every
matter connected with the United States-I wish
its tone was as fair and as impartial with regard
to all other matters-(cheers.) The Times
, newspaper, commenting upon a dinner which
has recently been given to Mr.. Ingersell
the American minister, at Birmingham said
what ought to bs done between England and
, America do not give the precise words, but
the precise meaning is that we should resolve
never to 90 to war. Why, that is precisely what
we want to resolve in this meeting this morning
(Appause.) But how are you to resolve never
to go to war with the United States! Does any
man believe no points Of difference will ever
arise? Don't we know there persons in the
United States reckless enough-as there is always
class in this country-to get up uneasiness and
excitement, and, if possible. even to get up war!
But the good men, the intelligent men, the NOR
al men, the Christian men, and the bulk of men
ia both countries. are in favor OF peace. ZAP
pause) Why, them why should not this great
majority in both countries resolve that we will
never go to war; that, regards the treatment of
one nation by the other, we have no idea of swind
t ling cajoling ordragooning the United States,
8 nor have they any such idea of us! We can
fight, and so can they. The resources of the
two countries may be said to be almost inexhaus-
tibe the industry of the two countries productive
beyond all former example upon the face of the
earth. But that only measures the amount of
damage which each country might do the other
: ("Hear, hear' and applause.) and only gives
you some indication of the necessity and the
wisdom of doing that which the Times recon-
mends and never go to with each other
(Applause) Take the fisheries question that
has lately been discussed. There was a case n
point. What was the first thing done? People
here wanted to know how many ships were going;
and in America, squadron that was ordered to
Japan was countermanded, and the ships were to
go to the Banks and to that part of the ocean
where those fisheries were principally carried
on. BuS suppose we had had clause in our
treaty with the United States such as the United
States has with Peru. It would not have been
question of sending Ships nobody in England,
not even the Manchester Guardian, would have
written an article in favor of sending ships of
war; but the first thing that would have been
done would be to repubsh in every paper in
England the arbitration clause in this treaty, and
then the sole matter to be discussed would be this
where shall we find the men-who are the
men--to whom both nations will trust the decs-
ion of the question And must say for myself,
that believe there are men in the United States
to whom alone-as believe there are men in
this country to whom alone-both countries
might commit the decision upon aquestion affec-
ting both countries; and | believe it would be
decided according that which was just to both
of them.
SHooTING AFFRAY.-Saturday, about noon,
Mr. Z chat z Millin,ns Of A lnharst. ,xas shot