The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-05-16

SPIRITED DEBATE IN THE HOUSE Or COMMONS RELA-
TIVE TO KosSUTH AND THE FIRE ARMS.
From the London Times, May IL
SIR J. WALMsLEY-1 wish to put again to the
noble lord, the Home Secretary the question | put
on former occasion, relative to the statement that
has been made to connect the late Governor of Hun
gary, Louis kossuth, with the seizure Of warke
stores at Roherhithe. 1t will be in the recollection
Of the House that when put that question, fort
night since, was informed that legal proceedings
were then pending. In consequence Of that answer
Withheld a letter or communication from NJ Kos
suth, in which he unequivocaly stated that he had
no connection, either direct or indirect, with any
warlike stores arms in this country Other state
ments arising out of this gaining credence in the
metropolis, as, think, to the great injury aud dam
age OF the government. The question would now
ask the noble lord is whether the legal investigation
into the seizure OF arms or warke stores at Roher
hthe has resulted in suhstantiatng the charges or
insinuatons that Louis kossuth was connected there
with and, whether the police have been employed
to watch the residence of LoEis Kossuth, or the
houses OF other political refugees
Lord PALMERsTON-The House is aware that one
Of the proceedings before the Bow street Office, in
regard to the seizure Of gunpowder, is closed de-
cison has been given; but with regard to the other
proceedings in the case of the rockets, the magis
trate of Bow street interrupted The proceedings say
ing he thought they ought to be pursued before ano
ther tribunal (iear hear) The honorable gentle
asks what is the result of this latter proceeding
Is regards certain inputatons cast upon NJ kossuth
Really, cannot do more than say, that what has
hitherto passed with regard to that proceeding is be-
fore the public, and every man may form his own
opinion as to the nature OF the evidence. (''Hear'
ahd laughter) When the further proceeding point
ed out by the magistrate shall have taken place. and
the case is determined, the public will have better
grounds for coming to an opinion upon it. CLa1gh-
ter) As to the ID question: it is the duty of the
special instructions to watch the proceedings Of any
person, whether an Engshnan or a foreigner, who
may be supposed, rightly wrongly, to contemplate
any violation Of the law. (Hear, hear) Neither
the house OF NJ. Kossuth nor OF any other political
refugee in this country be exempt from these
binary precautions, which can be taken with regard
to any individual, whether a British subject or
foreigner. (Hear, hear)
Mr.. BRIGHT-ln the answer given by the noble
lord on the former evening, and in his answer this
evening the noble lord wshesit to be assumed that this
is merely OF those ordinary which arise
in police office in London, where some one goes to
magistrate at Bow street. or elsewhere, and makes
declaration that something is about to be done con-
trary to law and it is the duty of the police to take
cognizance Of 1t. ] want to know whether the pro-
ceedings that were taken by the police in the first
place initiated from direct instructions OF the
department OF which the noble lord is chief. (Hear)
am not afraid TO say what my object il in wanting
to know this. The noble lord, in his answer on the
hrst occasion and now, has taken which, in
my opinion, IL not becoming his position (hear hear)
and not becoming the government Of this country
with regard to Kossuth (TIear) have never seen
Kossuth since he happened TO como to Manchester
year two ago. have not spoken to, or heard from
the humblest instead of the most distinguished Of
Hungarians (hear you have to live here; but it has
been stated broadly In the public press that, either
directly indirectly you set, permit to be set,
spies over his house. (hear, hear) and over all per-
sons who 60 into his house, or have any communca-
ton with him. clear, hear) Then you seize, by
the police, certain warke stores at Roherhithe. The
newspaper which isthe great organ othe government
published the most inHammatory charges with regard
to kossuth. (Hear, hear) The noble lord-who must
know all the facts as much any man in this king
doms asked in this house not to tell all he knows;
but he was asked distincty-"Is there any evidence
IN your possession which connect does connect
kossuth with the proceedings at Rotherhithe?'
The noble lord rises ia his place aud speaks in an
eyasve manner, and says, q" do not cast mputations
upon kossuth or anybody else" No, Of course not;
but the noble lord allows these CHARGES to 20 forth
into the world while he is the man OF all others who
can do justice to Kossuth in the matter If he has
been illtreated, as am inclined to think he has, bit
the noble lord abStained purposey from that while he
cannot say there is q single thing to bring home the
charge against Kossuth, (hear, hear)-he stu
diously avoided saying anything that could lead
the public to believe there IS no evidence what