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ever against him. (Hesr.) do not think
that Is the way IN which we ought to treat any
IT, that Kossuth honestly intends to obey the laws Of
this country while he Is in is; and, further we have
his own express declaration as a man Of honor-I
believe his honor has rever yet been challenged
(hear hear)-that he is in no degree connected with
these transactions (aear) Then, l say, while
these charges are being circulated think it Is the
business and the duty of the noble lord il there be
evidence TO connect koesuth with these charges,
to say If sucs evidence Is forthcoming at any
future time let kossuth be amenable to the law as
in the case OF any other man who breaks the law.
| do not want TO throw a shield over Kossuth il he
is connected with these transactions, but will not
be party to any evasion intended to damage his
character Willie there is not particle OF evidence to
connect him with them. (Hear, hear.) / wish the
noble lord to say whether the Home Office instgated
these proceedings and whether there any evidence
to show any connection between Kossuth and the
making of warlike stores? Clear, hear.)
Lord PALMERsroN-l cannot help expressing my
surprise as to the Ignorance OF the hon. gentleman
OF those constitutional principles which ought to gov
ern not only Minister of the Crown in this country
but e. ery member otths House. (Cheers.) The hon.
gentleman takes me to task because have not chosen
TO answer question which man has right to put
to me. (Cheers) The question the hon. gentleman
asks is what is my opinion to the effect and the
probable and possible result Of judicial proceedings
which are not yet Terminated. (Hear, hear) say,
if Iwere to give that answer / should much depart
from my duty. should do thing which neither
nor the hon. gentleman himself has any right what
ever TO do. Hear, hear.) Investigations and pro-
ceedings before court of Justice going on-the
results Of those proceedings will explain themselves
It is not for me or any other man to say
be. (Hear, hear) So much for the consti-
tutional knowledge of the hon. gentleman.
Cheers) The hon. gentleman asks me whether the
proceedings were authorized or directed by me- They
IInuA IN moi rpa af ny inn
to shrink from the responsibility Of any act which
may think it my duty to do. (Cheers.) AS to re-
ugees they are while in this country as free as the
air they bteathe-as safe as the land they tread
(cheer)-but condition that they shall not violate
the laws OF this country, or abuse the protection
which this country throws over every man who may
seek shelter from oppression abroad, within the
limits of this country But hold it to be the duty of
the Secretary Of State if he has reason to think that
any man, whether foreigner or British subject is
contemplating violation Of the law, or is likely 70
abuse that shelter which has been granted to him by
the hospitality Of this country, to take steps for OBJ
tanning information and for furnishing any man,
whether an Englishnan or foreigner, if he should
violate the law and render himself amenable to any
ofthe tribunals Of the country. lCheers.)
Mr.. BRIGHT-The noble lord assumes that asked
him about the transactions depending with regard to
the Hales, but the question asked related to Kos
suth and of course felt justified in asking it. 1.-THE
charges had been against KOssuth should not have
asked the question, but they against the Hales;
ed by powerful newspaper, with gross crime.
(Hear, hear)
Mr.. CoBDEN-I do not know what the constitution
al practice Of this country is if is incompetent for
any member Of this House to ask Secretary of State
question with reference to the judicial conduct Of
any magisteral officer of the country. l have heard
q question put in this House as to the conduct of
magistrate in the case Of an unfortunate woman,
and heard an answer to that question, not Of
very grave or sedate nature, but certainly have
not heard that it is not constntionay competent in
a member Of this House to put question to the Min
lister as to the conduct of the police; and if Mr..
Commissioner Mayne sets spies to walk up and down
before my house, or before M. kossuth's house-and
he has much right to do the the other-then
say there is norecognzed constitutional principle to
prevent my putting question to the Minister on the
tutional ignorance looks very like desire to evade
the question. ("Oh! oh!'') The noble lord, how
ever admits that the instructions for these proceed
ings emanated from him, SO that the House has him
responsible to them for his conduct in the matter.
The noble lord having directed the police to watch
the house Of NJ. KOssOth presume he has know
ledge Of something which warranted him in taking
that course; and have right to ask him what that
boast Of this country that we are different from Aus
tria-thae we are not like France-that we are
free, privileged nation. If these proceedings of the
noble lord were tolerated, that boast would become
indeed mere beast, an empty Wanting. cob!
oh.) require to know what NJ kossuth has DONE
justifying the watching of his premises on what
evidence the noble lord has proceeded? what is his
information, and whence he got it ooh! Ohr) If
the noble lord does not answer this question now he
may rely upon it that the question will be repeated.
MIR. PHINN could not but deprecate the tone in
which this discussion had been pursued both Sides
(Hear. hear.) The noble lord should consider that
when Englishmen found these measures on the part
Of their government following closely upon the re-
monstrances of Austria with reference TO the Hunga
ran exiles in this country they naturally
what touchy the subject (hear hear); on the other
hand, as proceedings connected with the matter in
hand were pending in court OF Justice, il was high
y proper that caution should be exercised in referring
to the matter the part Of the Minister. He should
certainly wish, however to understand from the no.
bic lord whether it his intention to take any pro-
ceedings against NJ Kossuth. Charges such as those
which had been made against M. kossuth ought not
to be left hanging the head OF any man, least
OF all over the head of distinguished exile towards
whom SO considerable a portion of the community
ielt strong sympathy and COMMUNICATION. (Hear
hear)
Mr.. FRENCH was alike surprised and indig nant at
this most unwarrantable attack upon statesman
who, more than any man living, had vindicated the
independence Of England from foreign interference.
(Cheers.) The statements which had appeared in
that mornings paper entirely justified the course
which the noble lord had taken. (Hear hear.)
Lord PALMERsToN said, that honorable members,
more especially the honorable member f,r the West
Riding, had entirely lost sight of the question on
which this discussion had been based He begged to
say that he had not shrunk from answering the ques
ton as to his own conduct; (Cheers)-he had
answered that question plainly and distinctly (Hear
hear) But he had been further asked what, in his
opinion, would be the effect, upon one party OF GER
tain proceedings that had been instituted against
another party, and he had, very naturally, as he
thought, declined to answer that question (Hear
hear) To the question put by the honorable and
learned member his answer was, that no proceedings
bad been instituted against NJ. Kossuth he had
brought no charge against NJ. Kossuth he had not
even mentioned his name other than in answer to
some question, and, he begged to add, he was not
responsible for anything that appeared in the news:
papers. (Hear)
After few words from Lord D. Stuart, the con.
versation dropped.
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