New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1853-03-07
Debates in the House of Commons.

On Thursday the 18th, Mr. Kinnaird moved an
address PRAYING Her Majesty 81 take steps Tor bringing
under the notice of the Grand Duke oil tuscany, tne
strope feelings prevailing in England in consequence OF
tie persecution in Tuscany OF those Woo profess tae
principles Of the Protestant religion Tue case OF tne
Msdsis he observed. not Isolated one. IL ln-
dicated religious ac;ion. and determination on the
part of the hierarchy OF the Churcn OF Rome 10 put
down Prctes,lntism by force wherever the cvu power
enabled them 70 do so and on this ground ne s'ked
tie house to call upon Her Majestys Government Ia
concert with the Governments of Prussia and Jllsnd
70 rcmonsrtte, not dctaorsly or menacingy, out N
the name Of religion and humanity, with the Grand
Duke He gave the details OF the arrest OF several
Foreniiues for other otnse than reading the Bible
10 show thar the per ecution systematic thousands
he said living Tuscany, under reign ct terror Tae
objection that this being ms1er between aGoyern-
meut and lie subjects, had no right 20 interfere
had been disposed OF in the admirable dispatch OF Lord
John Russell, and peccedcns were not warrington such
Interference.
Lord d Stuart seconded the motion justifyng the
peaceabe interference Of this country which ought ne
said az Protestant nation ~ raise s voice against the
pei secutons Of Prutessnts lie did attribute this
rtolersni spirit much the Grand Duke OF Tuscany
or tb- Pope 10 the despotic principles OF the
Austrian Government, which domiucered IN Tuscany
Mr.. Lucas could not agree with the resouuon' be-
cause according 70 the papers laid before the House
did not stsie the facts OF the correctly 10 appeared
from these papers that the Maia had engaged sys-
tenn Of proseyt.m the bidding and lnstgaton ct for
eien emsssries agents TIE sentence against them
declared that they had not dprOyed the tacts alleged
against them that they had been guilty of the crime OF
proselytism by the nstumenialiiy # money supplied
irtrn ahroad-that vas from England. But admitting,
for the sake OF argument thai the Tuscan Government
were to be blamed for Furnishing the Madi,is for the
crime OF prusCytsm what had been the conduct ot hs
country IN rerect 10 ieoman Catholics peHecutei IN
dit, rent parts Of the wordi Who ever heard OF our
Secretary OF State remOBsrHtng with the Emperor OF
Russia Tor persccuting and toIturing Roman Catholic
nuusi Had not rdPalmerston actnally recommended
tie expulsion OF Je-ui's from Switzerland The con
duct al that noble lord in the OF Tahiti was he con
tended tNggfiv OF the Grand Duke OF
Tuscany II he believed that the resolution expressed
liz facts OF the case be could not adopt t because he
never could recognize the doctrine that the exercise OF
humanity and philanthropy 10 be all on one side
Al this moment acts OF persecution were going on
against Roman Catholics ia Protestant countries quite as
deserving Of our interference the case OF the tiials
and he should bring some Of them before the House
The system Of law in Sweden quite prosecuting
as that OF tuscany and Mecklenburgh Catholic priests
had been conducted by the police the frontier for
the crime OF saying mass in private.
Lord j. Russell! protested himself totally NJ loss to
know vi ether Mr. Lucea approved or not of the pers
oution for religious opinions. His lord Johns con
cusion was that II Protestant state should conicnn
persons because they had become Roman IthOlc1 or
taught others TO become So such conduct morally
wrong Mr.. Lucas alleged that the Madiais we're pm
isled not because they had become Protesants, but
that being Professionals they endeayored 9th
TO ProiestaBtsm the instgaon OF foreign agent
whereas the foreign agent had lc the country and the
Mndisis had followed their convictions. Bat be il
the Tuscan tribunals said that those individuals had
endeavored TO induce Roman Catholics 10 read the
Bible aud 10 believe that certain doctrines were not
ihorstd by the Bible he still said it was moral crime
10 Eunsh them. Mr.. Lucas had soid were not jus.
hcd IN considering ourselves friends Ut religious liberty
while indifferent t. prosecutions yanst Rom
Catholics But il could not be maintained that such
our general conducts in no part Of our dominions
persons punished for endeavorng induce Prot
e-ants % become Roman Catholics. Hayin, yindicafed
Lord Palmer0n from the charge of cOuntenancing
lgiOus persecutoa in Switzerland the South Seas, and
Sweden be insisted that the Government 81 this
had done nothing which tnisbeeamo tina
sensations IL bad addressed to THAI of Tuscany Pere.
cution for religious opinions odious and dc,esabe
and the Government OF England was ju.thed IN raising
It's voice against H. Holding this opinion. he recon
mended the House 20 leave this case 10 the hands OF the
Government. IT. voice had been heard and be trIscd
hsi although the Msiits and others might suffer toe
general opinion OF the world would secure religious lib
erty.
After few words from Mr.. Bower and Mr. Drum.
mond. Mr.. J. Fitzgerald ssid, that a. . Roman Catholic
lie dsGpproved Of the punLment of theee persons and
be should eer rare bis voice ssqust persecution Of
every KIND. LORD stanley, Sir K Iuglis and Mr. Ken.
uedy poke briefly on the queruo
Lord Palmerston rcpelled tic imputatlOns upon
him by Mr. Lucss, In respect % the expulsion " the
Jesuits from Switzerland snd 10 the transactions AT
Tahiti he complained that that honorable rnembe r hal
made partial representation VI The facts in the former
sDd in the latter the noble lord justified the trent
ment Of the Roman Catholic Priests who went he sai l.
to chtarb the tranquility Of Island already psciied
Tor the pupt-e 81 turning Professionals into Catholics
nsieed a eAdeayorins 20 turn hesthens into Chrisn
Ihose Priests had, however, not been put into csu
Portable prisons" Ike the Msda but lad beeo merely
told 10 20 about their busiaess
Mr. KinDsird withdrew biz motion.
On the 18th, Mr.. Dsraeli made speech "
some three hours long, attacking the Government
on sccour Of some expressions hostile 10 the French
Emperor, which had fallen from Sir Charles Wood
and sir James Grths in reeen, speeches Of theirs at
the husnss. Disraeh was very brilliant and very BIT
ter, but his speech hsd special object except to
bother hs opponents, which lie certainly did Lord
John Russell replied the relsti.ns OF the Govern.
nent with that Of France and Sir Jenes Graham .i.o
gave very keen and telling biz upon Disraelis
plagiarism in the Wellington otation.
The Case Of the Madiai.
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