The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-01-13
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IMPORTANT CONGRESSIONAL PROCEEDINGS.
Debate in the Senate Relative to the
Clayton and Bulwer Treaty.
THE SPEECH OF Mr.. SOULE.
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Discussion in the House on the Bill to Prevent
Frauds on the Treasury.
BUSINESS In THE NEW YORK LEGISLATURE.
TIE Military CONVENTION AT SYRACUSE.
US. Senator's Elected for Delaware and Indiana
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Maritime Dsasters-..Tho Markets,
&C., &C., &c.
TTlIRTY-sECONDCONG 8.
SECOND SESSION.
Senate.
WASHINGTON, Jan. H. 1858.

Mr. HoUsroN presented the memorial of the stone ma
sons oa the Capitol setting forth that they
p by Robert Strong, the superintendent that
work, al % rs day, and paid that regularly
but were compelled to pay to said Strong 81 per day
out Of this They make other charges against
Strong. Referred
MEMORIAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
Mr. FISK (whig) oI N. Y, presented memorial from
the Chamber Of Commerce Of New York, praying that
certain Illegal duties paid out not under written protest
be refunded Also other petitions Of the purport
REGISTER FOR A BRIG.
Mr.. HAMLIN, (dem O Me-, reported bill allowing
register to . Hanoverian brig owned IN New York.
which was considered and passed
CHECK UPON FRAUDS AGAINST GOVERNMENT.
Mr. UNDERWOOD, lwhisj Of KY, offered resolution di
Eecting inquiry into the proprety Of appropriang
800 900 fund to be used by government in invest
eating frauds and perures against the government and
bringing offenders to punishment Adopted.
APPROPRIATIONS FOR PENSIONS
Mr.. HUNTER (dem) OF Va, reported back bill making
appropriations for naval pensions for the year ending
June. 1854, which was taken up and passed.
Mr.. HQNIzR also reported back bill making appropra-
tion for the payment Of invalid and other PENSIONS for
the year ending 30h of June 1854 The bill was amended
in date, and then passed.
1H MONROE DOCTRINE RESOLUTION POSTPONED
Mr. CAss joint resolution affirming the Monroe doc
xrine was postponed till Tuesday next.
THE sourERs TREATY NICARAGUA
Mr. CAss offered resolution calling for correspondence
relative to the squiers treaty with Nicaragua &C. Laid
over.
SRnM o. NE. soulE RELATIVE TO THE CLAYTON AND Bull
TREATY
- SoULE, (dem.) Of La, resumed his speech COM
Monday. He said, when, the other day, the
pended, he going to state the occur
N''1'e "as rspired in executive session upon the
'0noeS ""'on e~. ty. He thought it, however, due
.~a'",on W VI 'ne wa TO do until he had ascer-
ahe IN d9e , Sense o. the na ret proceedings and
the sensibilty which had been dom and pro.
had but confirmed him in the VIA -ehended any
prety of that Not that he app. he nation
serious consequences would result to !. as in
from any such disclosure, for indeed in this, acret
many other instances that which is kept g.
is found when dvulged to be of but little importance
Still it due to those who had voted for the treaty
that the governing votes should go forth to
the country He had indicated Monday last the
scruples which induced him to be dissatisfied with the
wording of the treaty when informally presented to the
Senators himself included and also how those scruples
had been met and answered He not altogether
tsfed with that answer and though he felt the utmost
confidence in the then Chairman of the Committee
on Foreign Relations, he presumed to call the
attention Of the gentleman to the questionable provision
of the treaty and the assurances he received from that
gentlemen few seconds after interview with Mr.
Clayton, the same as had formerly been given
When the treaty before the Senate he felt to be
his duty to state in the debate it, the difficulties and
doubts which had arisen in his mind this point, al
though he intended TO rest his the intelligence
wisdom and learning of those competent to judge
Of such matters than he and then it that the
Senator from Michigan used the language that ''Never
before had Great Britain been known to dominion
without war" When he expressed the doubts upon his
mind to the effects Of these words friend of his from
the South but longer in the Senate, declared he
had heard enough Of it. and would vote against it, These
thus given and thus repeated of the true OBJ
ect of The treaty undoubtedly the yernng
He could hardly have supposed that there was single
enator who voted for the treaty but who supposed con
tanned absolute renunciaon by Great Britain Of all
her rights and claim to dominion in Central America II
there who supposed it meant only to relate to
the canal, and contained renuncation by Great
Britain let that take the and declare himself
show a discrepancy between Mr.. Kings letter TO Mr.
CLAYTON and what he had lust said was the
OF the treaty He did not understand it, 1t was fully
admitted and understood by all when the treaty was un
der consideration that its terms did not refer to- or inter
Great Britain to cut ogwood at the Balze and Mr. King
his letter, merely refers to this precarious right
affected by the treaty Mr.. King does not mean that
the claim of Great Britain to dominion in British
Honduras is not excluded by the treaty for he expressly
Mr. Clayton not to any words implying an ad
mission of any right to such dominion Mr. Kings whole
letter amounts to nothing than that the treaty
does not abolish the precarou license of Great Britain
to cut logwood in Honduras. 1t remarkable fact
that the conversation respecting the British Minis ers
acruples upon the point OF national pride &C. took place
some time after the treaty had been England and
had been supervised by Lord Pamerston, and thai not
till after its ratification by the Senate did the
70 be necessary. Bet 1t was, he thought easy
TO see what the object Of Great Britain may
have been forgetting the nature Of government and
its institutions and supposing the Minister of State to
possess powers unknown to constitution but unusual
thew may have believed that by protocol the two nego
taors could have changed the whole features OF the a
ty But suoh beyond the reach OF the Secretary Ne
act Of his could affect the treaty chnage its purpo>
and objects from what it when sealed and approyeo
by the Senate So all that done by the two negot
iors done beyond the power given the secreury y
the constitution and OF noforce But supposing tha
the British rights in Honduras were in terms
cluded from the operations of the treaty, the queso"
naturally arises what those rights not thus re-
nounced. Admitting Great Britain to have had rights it
could be denied but that she had the faculty OF
nouncing them But leaving the treaty aside altogether
let II be what the rights Of England are Independent
OF IT, They bad heard much about flibusterng am
xpuding but what the history of England respe ting
those islands? The Bay of Islands occupied pee ,lar
and interesting position in the Caribbean spanish
writer at early day pointed out their mpor In
1872 party of English rcebootera took possession these
islands then belonging to Spain In Ills the Spanards
made attempt to regain possession of them but found
them waste, the English free hooters having de
stroyed all the estab hments they had found the
Islands In 1742 England again attempted to seize the
whole Of Central America and also these islands The
ire OF spain reused She then, as now proud
nation but she had then the ability TO command respect
and war ensued In 1853 treaty between England and
Spain concluded by the provisions Of which England
was bound TO destroy all her forti6cations, &c, in
that region, But England, relying a secret re-
seryation, denied that Ruatan included in the
treaty and kept that island fortified War again ensue1
during which Guatemala seized Ruatan. A new treaty
made in 1888 and SPAIN desiring to protect herself
from any invasion by Great Britain provided that the
British should abandon all ICentyl Americd, aud au
treaty surrendered all her rights and claims TO any part
Of the continent and the dependent islands bat still
possession of Ruaan, and in 17se Spain pressed upon
England what she considered her rights and this I'D TO
another treaty, by which removed every difficulty,
90 far the pretenons of England concerned BY
Luula nd tn all an