The republic. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1849-1853, 1853-04-06
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fession. 80 A"e occupation or pro-
Ans. His name is Augustine Aeuilar. He ID
!niry years OF age resides in San Luis Pososi, and
Offices in that republic "''01.
Cues. What are they?
Ans He has been secretary OF the prefecture OF
Potosi. ms -N''
| Cues. When was that?
Ans. From the year 1916 to lS48 He was also
professor OF Mathematics in the college of the city
OF San Luis Potosi from the year l643--litte more
or less-to the year l649. In the came State he has
| also been the State Attorney of the District Trbu
nal for the year lS47 or l84S-does not remember
precisely. In the years 1916 and lS47 be was q
supernumerary judge of the district court of San
Luis Potosi
Mr.. CARLISLE. Does he mean that he was an
Aas. He filled the Office of Judge in those cases
IN which the judge himself hindered from sit
ung, either by interest in case, from any other
| Mr. FEsDALL. Does he hold any Office now?
| Ans. After the year 184s and l549 he was ma
gistrate of the supreme court of the State of Ia
| maofpas, and is now judge of the court of first
instance of the district Of Matamoros in the State
| of Tamaulipas.
The CouRr. What does be mean by a court Of
| the first instance?
Ans. 1t is preliminary court, where proceed
ings are first instituted and from whose decisions
there is no appeal.
Mr.. MAY. AK him il he was personally ac-
quainted with Don Julian de los Reyes, governor
OF that State, and, If SO, how long be has known
him?
Ans. He knows him very WE'LL and has known
him for a long time.
CUES Aek him if he is acquainted with Luia
Guzman, the Secretary of State of San Luis Potos,
Ans. He knows him personally.
Qses How long has he known these two gen.
tlemen?
Ans. He has known them since the wear ls4I.
when he went to establish himself in San Luis Pc.
tos.
CUES. Ask him if he has ever seen the governor
write his name?
Ans. He has.
CUES. Prior to the year 1850?
Ans. Yes, sir.
The mining title of Dr. Gardiner was shown to
witness, and he was requested to examine the sig.
natures
CUES Ask him whether from his own know.
ledge OF the handwriting of Governor Reyes, he
believes these signatures to be true or false?
Ans. From the knowledge he possesses OF the
handwriting of Governor Reyes, he believes that
every one OF the signatures signed s'Julan de oa
Reyes are not his.
| CUES. Ask him the same question touching thu
| signatures ofSecretary Guzman!
| Ans From his knowledge of the handwriting Of
Luis Guzman and the examination he has mads
of the signatures, be believes also that they ara
false nH q iH M s
Cues. Ask him if he is acquainted with the seal
of San Luis Potosi as it existed in the month OF
July, 1850?
Ans He is. .r-
Mr.. BRADLEY The seals used in the month Of
July?
Ans. He says he knows the seals used in tha
month of July.
Mr.. MAY. Ask him if the seals On that paper.
and the other papers representing the zeal Of San
Luis Potosi, are true or false?
Ans. The seals stamped through this book con.
tanning the words Government of the free State
OF San Luis Potosi are false because they are not
such as are used in the dates contained in this doc
ument; nor has be ever seen them authorizing or
legaizing any document.
a1 Az hi% i Be- fsrnsnde., protect Of Ro
Verde,
an. He knows his signature. He was project
| OF that place in the year 1850.
Cues. How did be obtain his KNOWLEDGE? $50
Ans By means of various communications he
has had in bis hands written by him and signed
francisco Fernandez"
Qnes. Prior to the month of July, 1850?
-Ans Yes, sir.
Ques:5Were they official documents7
Ans. He remembers that when Francisc Fer
| nandez was first second aicalde of Rio Verde.
| at the time that he was secretary of the prefec-
ture OF San Luis Potosi, communications were
ceived there from Francisco Fernandez, first
second aicalde, which were signed with his sigma
| ture and name and, besides this, he has seen it
IN Judicial documents, such as reports, proceed
ings, &c. He has seen the signature of Francisco
Fernandez, and consequently knowsit.
CUES. Ask him If the signature of Francisco
| Fernandez there signed is true or false?
Ans. He believes that the signature here signed
is not that of francisco Fernandez, of Rio Verde,
| but that it is initiated. e1
CUES. Ask him if the ru67ica is not a usual and
Indispensable part of the signature of person in
Mexico!
Ans. In Mexico the Spanish customs prevaiI-
consequently it results that the ruvica or flourish
underneath the name, ia an integral part of the
signature; 30 that, if the signature of individ-
ual appears upon document without flourish,
| the document would not be good, nor would it be
believed. RI aHlii.s tst - 80 Y. -It
Cues Ask him in what part of the signatures OF
Governor Reyes affixed to these papers he notices
the most apparent defects? .aas.
Ans. The signatures are initiated in such
clumsy manner that there is not room to believe
| for moment that it is his signature, nor any
one say which of them is the worst done. The
writing of the letters 10 tremulous and crooked.
and the rubrica is incomplete and also tremuous.
| That is what he can say.
| cues Ask him if he saw him write in 1850?
Ana He has seen bis writing in 1850; but he did
| not see him write in 1850, because be was not in
| San Luis Potos
Cue. How that writing done-tremuIously
Ans. 1t was done with freedom; be wrote with
q firm hand; and besides that, be says that the
writing here has not the tremulousness of an old
man, but that Of the insecurity Of man who 10
forging.
Ques. AK him il the came observation will APP
ply to the signature OF Louis Cuzmanl
Ans. Exactly the same. With ths:e two differ
lated; and the second difference 10, that whoever
wrote the name here wrote it With an ''s'' instead
Of "s;"and neither Cusmaa nor any other Span
lard would write il with &C.,"
Qsss. Ask him IL the same observation will ap-
ply 70 the signature Of Francisco Fernandex With
oUt the mfopelhaG!
Ass. That the signature Of Francisco Fernando
y faice may be seen At 6rs eight; but be Who made
u bad hrmer hand than he Who wrote that of
Governor Reyes. For the rest the flourish 10 badly
initiated. =
Qses Ask him whether or not in making The
ysevses, a. it b usually made under the signature
tne hnee Of the yutwies are identicaI O., whether
shey toliow the same hnes or occasionally vary it,
Mr. BaADLss. I object 10 the question The
co0nsei must con6ne himself to this particular
rweries.
Mr.. CARLISLE. There il no rule of law about
1t. man makes his flourish just a. he pieases,
and the counsel cannot get any general answer to
such question. The objection il that the witness
10 asked to speak to general custom. when there
can be no such custom, and not to this particular
signature.
Mr.. MAY. Then will con6ne my inquiry to that.
Mr.. BRADLEY. AK him first whether ne knows
any thing about it..
The Couar think it is competent for the wit
meas to say whether these rubrics are always the
same, as -less 90
Cnes Ask him whether these persons pursued
the same lines, 90 that if one rubrca laid over
another and held up 10 the light, they would ap-
pear exactly the came? t ssA
Ans. All, no; the rubrica is made with The came
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