The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-10-11
Triennial Convention OF the Protestant Epis-
c0pal Church.
UNION OF CHURCH AND srArE-IMPoRTANT DEBATE
AND OBJECTIONS.

| UNION OF CHURCH AND STATE-IMPORTANT DEBATE
AND OBJECTIONS.
/ FIFTH DAY.
The Convention assembled yesterday morning pursuant
to the adjournment Of Saturday at eleven O'Clock Pre-
vous to this hour there were very large number Of
delegates present. and both galleries were filed with
| ladies' and lay gentlemen.
Morning prayer to the creed read by the Rev Paul
Trapier of South Carolina, assisted by the Rev. Dr.
Mason, of North Carolina who read prayer, from the
creed, the congregation responding.
The Reverend Doctor Creighton President of the Con-
venton then took the chair and the delegates came to
| order.
The SECRETARY pro m read the minutes Of the proceed
ings OF meeting which were approved BY vote
Elections had examined the credentials Of various dele
gates elected to the House, and found them correct
The kev Dr. MEADE reported from the Committee
Canons with regard to the passed by the Bishops
ON Saturday relative to the abandonment of tho Church
by Bishops Presbyers or Deacons" The committee
commended an amendment TO the canon, as worded by
| the other house.
The Rev DR.. vISroS, of Mass reported from the Com
mittee on Canons resolution recommending altera-
tion in the second article in the constitution as an
amendment relative to the necessity of reform in the
system Of representation, and that persons elected
delegates be COMMITMENTS of confirmed this Church
The amendment read as follows 1.-THE church in each
docess shall be entitled to representation Of both the
clergy and the aity which representation shall consist of
not more than four clegymen and four men, shall
be commandments OF or shall have been confirmed in the
/ church,
Both reports read by the Secretary pro bm and
the first received by the House The second report
| a clerical error.
: The various other committees called upon by the
Chair for reports None others presented.
IT was moved by the Rev. Dr. TRArRR that the papers
relative to the delegation from South Carolina be signed
| and authenticated The resolution passed.
resolution from the delegation from the docess of
New York relative to the civil and ecclesiastical powers
| of the Convention referred to the Committee on
Canons, after being preseI ted by the Rev. Dr. HMGHr
strong minded crazy woman, loaded with band boxes
aaes a Ss oarr
informing the President that he would perhaps see
her again. and that she bid the delegates aectionae
"good bye.o She removed.
Mr. Preston Ca) presented report from the Commit
tee Elections verifying the credentials the several
The Hon. Mr. NEWTON offered an arnendatory resolution
to the canon Of $780, which refers to Missionary Bishops
The Rev Mr. TooMps Crenn) moved 'That in every re-
guary organized parish and in all places of public
General Convention Of the Church. shall be used but that
Bishopsin their particular dioceses-lnay compile
form Of prayer provided nothing inserted in such pray
that is not contained in the Book of Common Prayer
| The resolution referred to the Committee on Ca
mons.
| Rev. Dr. MEApE of Conn., reported from the Committee
on Canons to whom assigned the duty of comforting
with the Special Committee Of the House of Bishops
| the abandonment of docess by a bshop a canon to
the effect that in bishop pesbyer deacon aban
don the communion of the Church. lie shall be held and
regarded by the Church deposed and shall be pro-
nounced by the standing committee in of presbyer
or deacoI or by the presiding bishop In the of
abandonment by bishop, three months notice to be
| given.
Judge RYA of New Jersey moved that in all the
| ports OF the Com mittee Canons be printed.
1t was moved, seconded, and passed. amendment
that the report of the Committee Canons in the
of Abandonment by Bi hops" &c, &C., be printed and
that the consideration of be made the order of the day
| for to mo- row (this day. at O'Clock.
On motion of Rev Paul TRAi1ER the House proceeded
to- sign the testimonials Of the Bishop elect from South
| Carolina the Rev DR.. Davis.
The Hon Mr.. HOFFMAN, of New York presented certi
Of New York to the effect that ea be taken
to the due discipline of the Church. without the
interference of civil tribunals 1t referred to the
| UNION OF CHURCH AND sTATE-THE ENGLISH DELEGA
TIOE.
The Rev, DR.. MASON Of Indiana offered the following
! preamble >1i resolutions:-
The mission Of Selogaton from the Society for
for the expression h this conyention Of the
ssss Sin sss the as
this to draw still closer the bonds Of such
nssGsed hs H ,sGsneS,rin That Joint epmmitteeo
saass
Protestant Episcopal Church in these United states
Of m TO IE. h HsnS nary aeSn Of this Church
Hon. Judge WILLIAMS vermont )-I am called upon to
rise and move the Convention that the resolutions be
getting along very WELL idea expressed in the
resolution, of any alliance with the mother, sister
church. would lead to delays doubts and difficulties in e-
| gsation, which would be injurious He astonshed
hear such resolution proposed by of his colleagues
Judge CHAMBus (Siaryland) said he was surprised at
the line of argument taken by the honorable delegate
who had just sat down. He did not think the time
of the Convention could be usefuy employed than in
considering the resolutions proposed He had himself an
idea of offering resolution going much further and
pressing the sympathy of the Convention with all the
gelcal churches The motion receive the resolutions
gave him the greatest qualification and he trusted that
the one proposing to lay upon the table, would be
| gatved.
Judge WILLIAMS replied-He had made the motion to
lay the resolutions upon the table solely his in
dvidua responsibility He delighted with the recep-
tion which had been extended to the delegation the
mother country but he thought that the resolutions
hpf tn finr.
clearly understood but apparently having for its object
joint legislation between the Churches of England and
America He trusted that the members of the Conven
on would consider well before they gave which
hereafter have the effect of producing alliance of
the Church in America with another Church whose head
is also the head of the civil power in that country where
it is established He confessed that calmly viewing the
position of the English Church. established there and
the position of the Church of Scotland established
that country, he would be unwilling to vote fer set
have The effect o-what he should be most unwilling to
Episcopal Church in the Ueited States The delegation
from England ceud not respond reply to the spirit of
the resolutions The dvines Of which it composed
came kere merely to represent society they came
which is part and parcel of the State Of that
country.
Reverend Doctor HNKr1 moved that the last clause OF
the resolution ne struck out that they should read
merely expression of friendly feeling to the English
delegates
The Reverend PAUL TRApGEa said that he was opposed
to all entangling alliances with any other Church. but
the resolutions now before ths house did not commit the
Convention any way to alliance with the Church of
England, but merely indicated a desire for closer in
macy, both socially and nationally, with the Representa-
tves of the raothcr-or sister, she is called
Church, both home and colonial Although the tempo
rary head of the English Church her Majesy--the
Queen Victofia-there ware many daily arising
where intimate and coordinate counsel and co opera
ton between iband the American very desirable and
necessary OF which the great position OF the two missions
in China furnished example The passage the reso
lutions could not in the slightest degree affect the
rule of the Church in America lie would vote
for them TO PASS.
The Reverend Doctor VAN IyGsS of Western New York
supported the reference to committee, lkey to to
conducive tn intimate union of the two churches
lie hoped it would be voted unanimously
Reverend Mr. RDcnY, (De,aware) would call the at
enton Of the Convento to the great jealousy existing in
she American mind with reference to union of Church
and State and the sxreme required last the sage
these resolutions should eagener convction or even
suspicion, that the courtesy extended se the English
delegation shouli be regarded feeling identical to
union between the American Church ard the Church