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that the question OF order made, and shall be
borne osi in that by the distinguished senator from Ten
nessee. Mr. BILL and by the honorable senator from
Mr. DAWSON. | wish that there shall be no mis-
understanding about this matter al all The senator from
Alabama, MIR CLEMENS who is now unfortunately abb
sent on account OF ndisposon, presented an amend
nent at the last session calling for appropriation upon
his individual responsibility 1t objected 10 up
on the ground that i was not recommendation OF the
committee Al subsequent period II was offered by The
Committee on Indian Affairs, and the nsusiahed by The
Chair as being in order That is the fact. 1t is
now again presented by The Committee on Indian Al
MIR. CHARLTON. II seems TO me that the senator
from Delaware Mr.. BAYARD] is mistaken in supposing
hat there is difference between individual clam
and multitude OF claims gathered together MY friend
should remember that there is much difference pc
tween those between the individual man and tue
individual nation. the individuals OF nahon gahefea
together In one case the man, in the other case the
nation. This amendment is not 10 provide or private
claim in any is to reimburse the chzens-and
there numbers OF them both in Georgia and Ala
bamafor certain depedatons committed on their prop
ey. submit that il is not sound reasoning 10 tell me
that the claims OF such number OF PERSONS when gath
cred together and making aggregate constitute pIl
claim any than in the instance have already
put present at The debate OF the last session, and
that my colleague Mr.. DAwsoS is right IN his
recollection; and suppose the Globe will authenticate
what he said Il was then ruled out because II was OF
iered upon the individual responsibility of the senator
from Alabama, and because il not offered by direc
ton OF standing committee. There is no decision
against il upon the ground that it is private claim.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair decides that
the amendmea is in ORDER and he does upon his
Impressions in reference the proceedings this very
point at the last session OF Congress- that the claim
then decided TO be in order, question being raised
| Mr.. CHASE II is possible that may have con-
founded my own impressions. At the time when the
amendment was presented a. the last session objected
TO it private claim and cannot be mistaken az TO
the fact that it ruled out OF order My friend from
it was ruled out of order.
Mr.. PETIT. do not rise TO debate the question or
tab N of Ehair. hufi
TO that this amendment appropriates large
sum, and that very little is known OF H. cannot there
fore let it pass without the yeas and nays, and call for
| them.
| The yeas and nays were ordered.
Mr.. DAWSON. In order TO avoid discussion on the
part Of those who might TO be interested, because
they in The neighborhood OF these claimants beg
leave now to refer TO the senator IRON Texas, MT
RUsK and TO the senator from Missouri the President OF
this body, Mr.. ATCHIsoN Both of them have nvesti-
gated this will not pat on the declaration or
assertion of single from State interested in
this appropriation but hope that the senator from Tex
and the from Missouri, the President OF this
body, will their investigations of the subject, and
upon their opinion We are willing 10 rely
MIR. RUSK. II has been some time since fully nves-
gaed this claim. My recollection, however-and am
pretty clear about it's, that in the difficulties which oc
CURED between the Creek Indians citizens of the
United States large depeia,lons were committed by
For the amount OF depredations they presented their
claims. They decided not to under The pro-
visions OF the Indian intercourse act They presented
their claims to this government, and pressed them tor
length OF time and If am not mistaken IN my recoilec-
ton, upon the recommendation OF General Jackson, a
law was passed for the purpose OF appointing comins.
sones 10 investigate the claims and make report OF the
damages committed by the Indians upon The citizens OF
Gorgia and Alabama Under that law, the persons
named in the amendment were appointed They pro-
ceeded 10 make The investigate The claims all
submitted to them, and the proofs in the various cases
hey proceeded TO investigate The subject and determined
that depIedations had been committed 10 the amount
h.ch is named in the amendment offered by the Com
mi,tee Indian Affairs The claim previously in
sisted upon to much larger amount. The Committee
Indian Affairs TO whom the matter has been referred,
procured from the Indian bureau these Investigations,
the proofs and report furnished by these commission
en, which formed large volume =
TO ask him question Did understand him TO say
thai this appropriation was recommended by General
Mr. RUSK Yes, sir On his recommendation law
was passed authorizing the appointment Of commission
| ers 10 investigate the claim.
Mr.. BADGER. And this appropriation is unani-
mously recommended by the Committee Indian AT
| fairs
| Mr. RUSK Not unanimously this time for | believe
the senator from Wisconsin Mr.. WALKrRl not
present at the time when investigated the subject and
do not know whether not he assents the report.
But II has been heretofore always unanimously reported
from tina, committee. The Committee on Indian Affairs
investigated the subject upon the proofs and returns of
those commissioners fixing this amount, and concluded
TO recommend the payment OF II, did at the last
session. The senator from Missouri Mr.. ATcHI.os,
who then the chairman Of the committee, will per-
haps have distinct recollection OF the subject than
have. We thought II just and proper 10 pay for
all the depredaions committed and that although tech
ncally speaking, these States were not within the pro
visions OF the Intercourse law, still they stood the
same footing OF equity and justice and therefore the
depredaiions which had been committed by the Indians
ought TO be paid for. That, however. was strenuousy
resisted, because the largest portion of the amount would
have TO be taken out OF the allowance for the Indians
The committee however, concluded that the safer way
10 follow the report OF the commits soneTs who had
been appointed under the law and therefore recommended
tue allowance named In the amendment due TO the c
zens OF Georgia and Alabama. That is my recollection
4 OF the matter
i Mr. ArCHISON | have but very few words to
say 10 relation 10 this matter have been member Of
the Committee Indian Affairs ever since have had
the honor OF holding a seat this floor and believe
these claim. old at least, older, than the time
came INTO the Senate ten years ago. have examined
them very often. They have been brought before that
committee at every session OF Congress since have been
here. and also brought, here prior to that time.
to the conclusion upon the first investigation, and
my opinions strengthened upon every succeeding
nve cation, that these claims Just and that the
government was bound 10 pay them. Whether paid
now al future session OF Congress, they are
tain be paid There innate equity in the claims
| that sooner later will be made apparent am for
j paying them now. | have always voted Tor them.
shall vote for them now whou, going into the details
The senator from Texas has stated The matter fairly
believe the claims 10 be Just have voted for them since
have been here, during the last ten years, and have
always TO the conclusion that the government
responsible for these damages.
i Mr. BADGER understand from the honorable sen
ator that this appropriation u right.
Mr. ATCHISON. | think 40.
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