The republic. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1849-1853, 1853-04-05

committee to supsrintend the taking of thess de
| poaitiUnsi
-. vs. we're tho parties who were Appointed
togo out and take dispositions in reguiat lega
Qses. Yea; and understand that this man Go
meg was brought before the alcaide and BIZ depo
| sition takena
| Ams. We went to ! nav Gomex, ane
took him before the alcalde, and the commission
ers were present and saw him sign his name
Quss. Was the deposition in.reIation to the sub
iect matter of the sutl
Ans. l. was in relation to Inquiries as to tht
handwriting.
Mr.. MAY. Was that original paper shown to
him: mean the paper filedb Gardiner.
Mr. BaADLEY. Then We now learn for the first
time that these original papers. which we were as
sured had never left the city of Washington, were
carried out to Mexico by these commissioners.
MIR. MAY. Yes, sir; that paper and every other
paper which was considered of importance was
carried out by myself under the special direction
| of the President of the United States.
Mr.. BRADLEY. And was the red book carried
out?
Mr.. MAY. Certainly it was
Mr.. BRADLEY. And all the other papers we have
had here?
| Mr.. MAY. All the paperr which were marked
| ~ the Senate committee az being before them in
| relation to this claim were with u.s.
| Mr.. BRADLEY. Icertainly understood Mr. MAY
to say that these original papers went out OF
the city of Washington.
| Mr.. MAY. never said any such thing.
| Mr.. CARLISLE. That was branch Of the case
which we thought was very important, and we
| took every means to inform ourselves of it, and
supposed that we knew the facts.
| Mr.. MAY. never said that these papers were
not taken to Mexico.
Mr.. BRADLEY. ! did not say you said 90. MIR.
Carlisle and myself stated to you as gentle
men that we understood from you that there origi-
| nal papers never had gone out of the city. 1t
ktnk~ lr- os-k~t -o.A
after that, l hope you will not carry your state
| ment of facts further, unless you are to be exam
| ined on the stand az witness
| Mr.. MAY. If were ON the stand as witness
could tell you great deal more than You know
| now.
Mr.. BRADLEY. That ia quite sufficient We
have now learned for the fret time-always be-
lieving to the contrary-that these original papers
went to Mexico. We certainly inquired whether
these papers had been carried to Mexico, and were
given to understand, in some way, that they had
never left the city of Washington. (To the wit
ness }
Que. Now understand you went out as one Of
the commissioners appointed by the Senate, carry
ing with you the papers filed BY DR.. Gardiner?
Ans. Yes, sir.
Cues. And that you caused this man Gomez to
come before the acalde of Guadalcazar to take his
deposition?
Ans Yes, sir.
Cues In reference to the subject matter of this
original paper?
Ans. Yes, sir; and in reference to the facts
stated in these papers.
cues. And that the only time you saw his sigma
ture was to the deposition made in that paper?
Ans. Certainly. ] never saw his signature be
fore or after On reflection, think he did sign
his name to citation to appear, something OF
that sort.
Ques Was not the citation signed before he
went to the officer
Ans. really do not know. Perhaps it was.
saw him sign his name once or twice.
Mr.. MAY. Is it not necessary that the record
copy of the citation should be signed by the wit
ness?
Ans Certainly. That can be easily seen by the
proceedings had before the alcalde. ] think saw
Gomez sign his name twice, but am not certain.
1t may not have been but once. At Rio Verde the
witness signed frequently.
Mr. BRADLEY. Stop moment; we will confne
ourselves for the present to Santiago. have en-
deavored to reduce the substance of your testimony
this matter to writing, and will read it to you
| 80 that you may say whether have got it cor
| rectly.
lMr. BRADLEY here read to the witness the sub
stance Of his testimony given above, and he admit.
| ted it to be correct.]
| Ques. You say you inquired if there was any
other person Of that name, and that the man who
signed this deposition the only one you found
State what personal knowledge you have of the
| extent of that inquiry?
| Ans. l inquired through the town of various
persons whom we met and knew. inquired my.
self and was present when others inquired. We
inquired at Guadalcazar of every person we knew
| and OF some persons WnOm we met.
CUES. Will you state whether you inquired after
Santiago Gomez, Merican residing in Guadal-
cazar, or q SpaniarG
| Ans. We inquired after neither of these two de-
scriptions.
! Cues. Can you recollect how many persons you
| knew in Guadalcazar?
Ans. cannot recollect the number, but car
give you the names of some of them.
| Cues Well, who do you know?
| Ans. know Dr. Tobin and Bruno Oavide, al
calde of Guadacazar.
Cues. Did you know him before you went there's
| Ans did not became acquainted with hiM
! afterwards,
CUES Who else did you knowa
| Ans. knew Gomez Y. Celia and the person in
whose house stayed, and the person to whom the
house belonged. but cannot recollect their names
| Ans. knew the postmaster.
| Cues What is his name?
4ns. don't recollect his maine; was at his
Office two or three times to carry or inquire fol
| letters; / knew several persons who had mines in
the neghborbood of the town.
Cues. Can you recolect their names?
Ans. cannot; they were persons with whom
was broughtinto contact oughintroductions, OF
with whom had business relations.
CUES. Then you inquired of persons in th'
streets; how many?
-Ans 1t is impossible for me to say; inquired
on the road to the mines; and it was bust
ness to inquire for this man Gomez, inquired
for him everywhere we Went.
Cues. of how many persons did you inquire?
-Ans 1t is impossible for me to say whether
inquired of Ave persons fifty. Inever expected
to be asked such question, and therefore took ne
note of it. instructed to make general
inquiry, and did 30.
Ruts How large a place is auadalcasar as to
Ans. have no idea, and cannot say. should
suppose 1t was place of some two thousand in
! habitants-perhaps morei not more than two to
three thousand, but may be mistaken. II 10 not
a large place, and many of the houses are aban
doned.
'thetown?
Ans. 1t is essentially mining place. There arc
no haciendas there.
CUES In what State is ii?
Ans. In the State of San Luis Potosi.
Mr.. May. would suggest to the counsel for
the defence that he should examine the witness al
to the signatures of Bruno Qlavide and Raphae
MendeE. We expect to prove that the signatures
ofGomex, Olavide, and Celia, the subscribing wit.
nesses to that deposition, were all forged at Qua
dalcasar. We expect to prove also that the sigma
lures of Mendez, and those who witnessed thu
dispositions at Rio Verde, ARE forged; and therefore
ifan exception is to be taken, it may as we'll b.
taken az to the whole of them.
The CouRr. Has the witness seen all these par
ties sgni
Wilpess. have seen the whole of them sign.
Mr.. hRADLxY. Did Comes ever sign HE name
on piece OF paper. in your presence, to show
what his signature was? .'ss
Aus He did not. / do not remember that he evel