The republic. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1849-1853, 1853-04-09

So. Qs<s. How could he know in New Orleans tia
these signatures were forged. since he told ~
little While ago that he did not know vhAt THU
haines1aes, and had never seep these lpers I'll
ssdns. H4 says he was told in New Oe9eans thai
tbs busiis1ss was that of DR.. Gardlper md with
ths&sh knew enough to know what 1t N4s about,
hecause.4e it permitted him 70 say, il cole.
brated bnsiness-that it has acquired csasbrity in
Mexico ~ we'll az in the United States.
Quss. Yes; but did he not tell US Hitle while
ago that in New Orleans he did not know exactly
on what business he was coming!
Ans. He has said, or meant to say, that in New
Orleans he did not know the details Of the mines;
that he did not know that the court sittin9 10
try the case; neither did he know that Mr. Bradley
and MIR. Carlisle were counsel for the defence, or
that Mr.. May and Mr. Fendall were counsel for
the Government. Of these minute points he was
ignorant On the other hand, whenever the bust
ness Of DR.. Gardiner is mentioned, everybody re
members what has been said in the papers, both in
Mexico and the United States. respecting it; so
that in that respect he had the public rumor.
Cues. Now let him tell US whether he came here
out OF courtesy to Mr.. May, from desire to ad
vocate the cause of tho functionaries of Mexico?
Mr.. MAY. He gave both these as his reasons for
coming.
-Ans All these reasons induced him to adopt the
course he has.
Cues. Ask him whether Mr.. May in New Or
leans, or any one else, promised him that he should
be Unidentified for such services as he might rem
der?
Ans. Mr.. MAY, on his part in New Orleans, and
from what was interpreted to him by the vice con-
sui, told him in general terms that he ought to
rest assured that the Government of the United
States would indemnify him for his expenses; but
as this was business Of which he was persuad ed
he had duty to perform. he did not deem it con
venient to enter into negotiations which might
affect his reputation the proof of which is that he
came here at his own expense. For the rest, he
would say that man holding the position in Mex.
leo which he holds, it is not natural that he should
make voyage to Washington, out of the way OF
his own business, for personal conside ration
CUES. Ia his salary as judge still going on in
Mexico?
Ans. He says he does not know tina, he is obliged
to answer that question.
The COURT do not think that he ia either
Mr. CARLISLE. Then your honor will not per.
NIT us to go far with the Judge as we did with
the tailor; He admitted that he was getting six
or eight dollars day for the support of his family.
Mr.. BRADLEY. If he had lost his Office and the
Government Of the United States undertook to
indemnify him for this loss, think we have
right to know it.
The CoURr. But he says he holds his Office yet.
Mr.. BRADLEY. But if his salary ia gone the
office is not worth much.
CUES. Did he understand from MIR. George May
that be was to be Unidentified for any loss he might
sustain over and above his expenses?
Ans he did not enter into an examination of the
particular words used BY Mr.. May when he said
that he should be Unidentified for his expenses
that is, that his expenses should be paid.
CUES. What idea was communicated to him in
relation to indemnity over and above his expenses?
Considerable argument followed as to the admis.
sibility Of this question:; after which
The Court decided that the witness could only
give evidence as to what was said to him, or what
was done. in regard to this matter, and the jury
must draw their own differences.
Mr. BRADLEY. Ask him whether it was repre-.
scented to him by the parties who communicated
with hun as to his expenses, that he should be in
demnified for any losses he might sustain?
Ans. A direct representation on that point has
not been made to him either in New Orleans or any
where else. It was represented to him in New
Orleans that the Government of the United States
takes upon itself the expenses caused, SO that he
should not be sacrificed in expenses that did not
correspond to him. This, literally understood.
means nothing, unless on that account he has not
comprehended that the true meaning of that invi-
taion ia that it should be done in manner so that
be should not suffer any loss For the rest he has
not entered into details. neither does be wish to
enter into details.
Ques. Ask him whether or not he has represent.
ed to some person the part of the United States
that his loss would amount to ten fifteen thousand
dollars?
Ans. He has not. He does not believe he has said
such thing.
The court then rose, at half past four O'Clock.