The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-02-13


oats could not be raised in Western New York now bat
transportation should be reduced these varieties Of
grain could be raised then at profit. Besides as busi
crowds upon tho canal freight will be up Whea
unusual quantities of produce waiting for
ton, freghts go up rapidly and ultimately fall upon the
farmer The canals should be enlarged to pre- this
and shall not be sorry If the produce of the Western
States help to pay for the enlargement In the Western
Part of the State this subject understood and there Is
desire there for the enlargement than gentle
seem TO be Of Mr. S. had been called by Mr.
Champlin visionary dreamer There was o time
when De Witt Clinton was called visionary dreamer
In 1875 when IL was proposed to enlarge the canal there
were sixteen senators who regarded the scheme vision
ary. some Of these living bat he would not
name them Mr.. B. said he would make il as distinct
charge against the gentleman from Herkmer (Ir Loom
IT, intended to break down the canals and aid tho
railroads. The TO tax railroads designed
merely 70 cover up bis plans The railroad under
stand this They do not dread taxation. There is
lobby interest here, their part uniting against taxa
ton as there would be ii there any appreens Of
an unreasonable tax. The consolidation OF the rail
roads running through the centre OF the State
vas to give them a monopoly. The equivalent
for any tax that may be levied them is to be
this consolidation, and the impo- o-ition of such re
siricions upon new companies that railroads
would be constructed They to be prevented from
acquiring lands borrowing money. This would be
tremendous monopoly given to railroad corporation.
This question settled long ago that the right of
"eniuent domain existing in the State could be confer
should have been brought forward Just when mes ures
being taken to construct another railroad through
the centre Of the State. There design the part
of the majority to complete the canals We asked if
the amount Of tolls will go up to the maximum point as
soon the enlargement is ni he'd. Not sixth OF the
land in the Western States Is vet under cultivation In
crease the facilities for transportation canals
and these lands will be rapidly brought into USE The
tolls we're always jumping, up beyond the expeca-
uent had justified the predictions of Mr. Ruggle in his
much abused report made in to our enlarged
command the commerce of the West. But it must
DO done soon short air line railroad from etling
IN virginia, would lead 70 the and unless pr
Of transportation reduced this railroad will direct
immense amount OF we tern produce from G .nals
We must act II wish to retain this mighty business
We often told have right to cast burdens upon
the future He thought this argument had been ably
assumed by tho gentleman from Washington (Mr Be-
nam but lie would say word respecting it. If We were
sent, the argument would be good-but the com
pletion Of the canals would be benefit of the
rich legacy to others, and confer incacaabe bcne-
fits upon them If we to the money that its
benefits would "perish in the using it would not be
right to burden the future with the payment Of it, but
when invested on permanent works of utility the future
would thank for expending it. Mr. would leave it
to the future TO ndicate the bitter assaults which had
been made upon her
Mr.. LOOMS (dem.,) of Herkimer did not claim much
rhetorical ability il was his aim to use only such Ian
guage and such ideas bore upon the question under
discussion HIS language had been perverted and the
tendency Of his speeches misrepresented But little of
the subject under consideration To raise for
the present year the object of his resolution We
have no resources for the expenditures Of the pre-,
Of the constitution would answer this purpose.
lf the future enlargement of the canals before u.s.
then such propositions might be appropriate. He had
been charged with skuking from responsibility by intro
ducDg his resolutions This was untrue 1t unjust
to require the committee to make proposition to the
when one was introduced The committee had brought
forward plan in detail Instead of meeting this plan
upon It. They neither say whether they willing
unwilling to tax railroads Is not this skulkng from
sronsbityf Tell the committee in what way the House
Is desrous of raising revenue, and they will frame
utter their views that the COMMITTEES may
know What 70 0 The asass u sh6Sd a aid tho commit
= taN Fas'la-asS er s.ess would oontsibute 20
harmonse action. There persons aiway surmsing
trapsalways suspectpg improper motives Such often
judged from the impulses Of their hearts. The
proposition Of the committee plain and distinct
why did not gentlemen say whether they approve or
approve OF themS The committee krew there diff.
fcrt opinions in the House. and it with the hope
harmon,ing those views that the resolutions intro
duced Much useless legislation could be avoided by first
settling upon plans and then celebrating bills in accord
with them. He had anticipated objections to
Of his propositions but he believed they would meet the
Communication Of the people. It would not be just to
send them back to the committee without instructions
Amend them to suit the views of the House before they
returned and viii more speedily arrive at definite
conclusion Mr. L. denied being adverse to the enlarge
ment to favor railroads The propositions he had brought
were specially designed 10 facilitate the
Those who would saye OH their consideration might
Justly be charged with hostility to the canals, The sub
stance OF the proposition read by Mr. b. that the
railroads through the State should pay the State million
year for Fix years, 10 complete the enlargement
equivalent Tor monopoly certain length OF time. That
proposition might be approved by men, but il had not
been by the finance committee He concluded by saying
ne had not asserted was unjust to borrow money to b
paid by the future Under certain circumstances this
would be proper But it not right to expend Their
money for purposes for which they coald better
themse elves.
Mr.. JACKSON (dem) of Chemung said the resolution.
had been under discussion for long time and he would
therefore move the previous question.
division Of the question called for.
The question was therefore, upon the first Of the reso
lutions of Mr.. Loomis's, follows
l. Resolved, That it the first duty of this House be
fore imposng additional taxes to meet Increased
lures, TO inquire into the which have produced
them and particularly in relation to canal repairs and
to provide laws for the correction of abuses and
economy in the management or the canals and the expen
diture Of public moneys.
The yeas and nays we're called--yeas so, nays 81.
Mr. HENDEE (whig) of Livingston moved TO be excused
from voting and said, it had not been his intention
discuss the resolutions 1t his opinion they we're
signed to obstruct action He considered them i'll timed
and improper. If he understood the indicated by
the -esclutions--
Mr. LOOMS to point fordcr After the ayes and
noes called is not proper 70 discuss tho main ques
ton but simply to make brief statement of the
for declining to vote.
The STEAMER decided the point Of order TO be well taken
adopted the bills to be introduced under it would attract
the attention of the House to the exclusion Of i'm
portant questions.
Mr. P. ". Ross (whig,) of Wyoming, rose to point of
order.
Mr. RrRRouGn demanded that the point of order should
he stated in writing
Tho SPEAKER ced Mr. Hendee to be out of order and
explained his view of the rules
Mr. BURsouGis appealed from the decision Of the Chair
The decision of the Chair sustained
Mr. HARpN's name being called, he asked to be excused
s,om voting Not granted
Mr. HoiIEY, (whig) of Niagara begged to be excused
from voting and would state his If he voted for
the resolution ho would decide TO do what could not be
done in year 1t would require Investigation into
canal frauds comprehensive than could be under
taken The resolution impraccable If ho voted
against Ii be would be charged with enmty to economy
and II for it, he should recommend measure which
would defeat all other legislation here
Mr.. BURROUGHS demanded that the point OF order
should be made in writing, but the demand disre-
garded and
The SPEAKER decided the point of order to be we'll
taken.
Mr.. HorIEY Appealed from the decision but IL
tanned by the House.
Mr.. KkssEDr, (whig) Of Cayuga asked to be excused
from voting Not granted.
Mr.. LTT1HoHN, (why) Of Oswego made the same
quest He opposed to precedent Of this kind. He
in favor of the principles Of the resolution but he
object to be gained by its passage now.
The SPEAKER required Mr.. L. TO take his seat
Nj PAYNE (whgl Of Monroe said he would vote AYE"
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