The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-11-04

his invention and he had patent for IL could NOS
tell who was present at the time.
The bills were here produced and recognized by the wit
ness as the ones presented by Mr. Carson which were
Mr. Van Ness deFoscd II he built the machnes-ons
Tor the Cty Hail. one for Essex market, for Union
market, and for Twenty second street station he
built them all for Nr. Carson Mr. Carson paid him for
the City Hall machine $3.50; Essex market $50 Union
market, $780, and for the Twent, srees station
$50.
O. Do you know If the apparatus was ever patsntedg
A. At the time ! made the machines did not know
they patented.
O. Had you heard, up to the time you had COMPLETED
the apparatus, thatt patented
A. had not.
ton with him in regard to the construction OF the
chimes tine Of seeing him three four times
day witness commenced building IRE engines IN S45 and
money paid by Mr.. Carson to him $3.50 included the
cost Of all the expenses the City Hall bell he got
extra payment Of twelve dollars twenty dollars Tor the
hammer of the bell but separate job he did not
do all the work on the Essex Market bell the Old mate:
Iias were used in the OF the present oeu
tower did all the work the Union Market and TWen
ty-second street stations.
Witness here identified the receipted bill 10, the work
done by him; and also communication from MIR. Van
Ness to Mr. stating that the striking apparatus for
the Thirty third street bell tower could be put up for
seventy dollars, then read and identified by tho
witness as his hand writing, but written for and by the
advice Of a Mr. Torposs.
Z. Who is this Mr.. Torposs?
A. A gentleman who lives III this city (IAughter.)
q Had you any difficulty with SIR. Carson2
A. Yes had one or two turns with hi n (Iaughtsr>
Cues What DO you mean by turns, sir
Ans Well we spoke rather cross to each other. ana
generally able TO take care of myself
Ques Hao you difficulty until two months ago?
CUES What was the difficulty abouti
Ans. cannot say, sir
Cues Was it lss because he would not let you make
some repairs on 90 enginol
Ans No; think not.
Qnes We're there any g. turns" between you and Mr..
Carson since 1850?
Ans. No, sir, not since y at time.
Mr. Willard Did the difficulties grow out OF the sale OF
any cid engines
Ans. No.
Cues Has Alderman franklin converted with YOU on
this matter since the investigation has been FOOT
Ans. He has not.
Ques How long is it since ne inquired what the
amount you paid VAST
Ans About month ago
Ques Was it since the publication in the Tribune OF
A. think it was before
q. Do you you know whose did the wood work
Of the City Hall bens
A. Cannot say.
z. Do you know if Mr.. Carson employed anybody
A. don't know of my own knowledge, but presume
Mr. WiDard-We don't want presumption in this
Witness-Wel, don't know of my own knowledge
whether Mr.. Carson employed the to do the wood
work or not
Q. What would The wood work cost9
A. About S.
Counsel for Carson did the use OF ques.
ton.
Mr. willard-wen. now my friend here win be trying
to make 1t Quit was piece of fine rosewood work, BY
and bye.
thought Mr. Carson had paid him fair price for his
work not He said that the money received fair
equivalent for work performed Here the examination
this witness closed Mr. Willard then proceeded to
read letter from the Commissioner Of the Patent Office.
but Mr. Carsons counsel objected to the reading of the
document, the ground that they should prove it
from the Patent Office before it should be oeredas
evidence
Alderman Barker said that it would certainly be
say evidence to be shown proving that the letter
came from the Patent Office.
Mr. Willard said that he had witnesses present who
could that the seal that of the Commissioner OF
the Patent Office.
Alderman Barker decided that the document for tho
present could not be admitted evidence.
The committee then adjourned.