The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-07-25

rrert IN same important eptnets (HeafC WHA
~ Luaw from nv noble friend whether he has copy
- tne oris FINAL document IN the Russian language.
ard II 40 whether he has any objection to Lay II on
thu table Of the House. CA lAugh) wish ~ call
the attention OF my noble friend 10 some expressions
which / made use of with respect TO the circnlar
signed BY Count Nesselrode and which expressions
have been made the subject OF criticism. 1 beg t.
state and am sure my noble friend will bear me out
in saving that answer TO that document by the
Minister Of Foreign Affairs OF France has complete
ly both in argument and fact borne out the concu-
sion that came 10. tCheers) | beg further to
state that a. relates TO the circular document
tron ST. Petersburg, published yesterday, l may
leave that safely without any comment. (Hear,
hear) But I beg leave to call my noble friends at
tsntion to particular passage In u. | understand
according TO my Interpretation OF that passage, tnat
the Cout OF Russia has taken on ifself To state and
10 pledge itself that, until the Ottoman Porte has
satisfied the Court II Russia with respect to the de-
mands made against it, and until We have with lawn
our fleets from the Turkish waters, they will not
abandon the possession VI the Danubian principals
ties. | understand that noble lord in another place
(Lord j. RusselD has stated that he d ,es not put
that Interpretation upon that document, but l have
read the document with some attention, and cannot
think it possible that any other Interpretation can be
put upon it. Clear, hearo / wish TO ask my noble
friend whether be coneurs with me Ia the interpre
tation which have put upon the document in ques
ton?
Lord CLARENDoS-In reply to the first question
Of my noble and learned friend believe that there
are some differences between the Russian document
Issued for home consumption Ca langh) for the use
If the Russian people, (hear hear) and the transla-
ton which has been sent abroad, more particularly
believe with respect to the word .perfdous, as APP
piled to the violation of the Sultans word. believe
that there is Russian original OF this document at
the Foreign office and, if il will be any satisfaction
70 my noble and learned friend TO have that docn-
ment to peruse, (''hear, hear" from Lord lynd-
hurst Certainly see no objection 10 laying 1t on
your lordship's table. ! may also state that en-
Grey agree with my noble and learned friend
npon the great ability and skill of the note which the
eueb IN Ia he
cular OF Count Nesselrode. (Hear) And with re-
spect to the third question OF my noble and learned
friend believe that when my noble friend Q.ord j.
Rassel) answered the question put to him IN the
House Of Commons yesterday, be had not had an
opportunity Of reading the note. do not ent rely
take the same view as my noble and learned friend
appears 10 do OF what il stated in that note, but
certainly can have no hesitation in saying that We
do not consider that the presence of the British and
French fleets in Beska Bay is at all similar or that
n can IN any way be compared to the occupation OF
the Danubian principaliues (cheers) and certainly
no condition with respect to the departure OF the
one or the evacuation OF the other will be made.
Clear, hear.)
Lord LYSpEURsr-The expression made use Of
rather the interpre taon put upon the part ;uar
passage, amounts to this-that soon as the Otto
Porte does what be (the Emperor OF Russia) re-
Qaires, and as the English and French fleets
quit the Turkish waters then he will withdraw from
the principaltes. lie does not absolutely say that
he WIN not withdraw sooner, though it implies not
sooner
gave my noble friend does exactly meet the question.
We shall make no condition OF that sort. tHear,
hear)
Earl FITzwmLIAM-I beg to observe that the ex.
preston is great deal stronger than my noble and
learned friend stated. The expression is not only
81 in the Turkish waters, but within sight Of the
capital" which, apprehend, s an expression bear
ing o very different meaning from " the Turkish
waters The phrase the Turkish waters as
used in the circular, must mean what we call the
Egsan sea, and wiIhin sight of the Turkish CAPT
A.. CO. lf.vv Ena t,pb
and French governments are also charged with hav
ing sent Their fleets into the Sujtans dominions |
think that everything passing in the east of Europe
must cause considerable anxiety at the present mo.
ment, and / trust my noble friend the Secretary
Of State for Foreign Affairs will forgive me If
request his attention while | put question to
him upon subject lately mentioned in the public
prints, and upon which 1t Is desirable TO know II
the government have received information. 1t is not
for the purpose of gratifying idle individual Gu
rosity that ask the question: but because matter
Of deep public importance TO know whether the
port in question has any foundation in fact, and whe
ther the government have received any information
on the subject. The rumor to which allude refers
70 the alleged passage OF the Austrian troops into
knowing whether my noble friend has received any
information confrmatory Of or denying that state
ment which has been confidently made in the pub
he prints, and which purp0rts to come from the
capital Of the Austrian dominons?
Lerd ADMINISTRATIONS my noble friend an
swers the question, must he allowed TO apologize
tstiOn of the particular passage TO which my noble
friend Carl Fitzwilliam) has adverted. But my no.
BILE friend has fallen into the error, and has
fallen short OF the meaning OF the Russian circular
The words are to the effect that las the
British feet shall remove from within sight Of the
city Of Constantinople we will retire
The Earl Of CLARENDoN-I think my noble
friends have used expressions which are both of
them sufficiently strong but, both have quoted
from Q statement which is manfesty incorrect, it
can be OF little Importance how strong these asser-
tons are The English and the French fleets are
neither in the Turkish waters, nor are they within
sight Of Constantinople (hear hear); and although
that may be asserted in the Russian note, there is
certainly no reason for taking precautions on that
subject. With respect to the question Of my noble
friend Carl Fitzwillam) If he had been in the house
yesterday when the same question was asked, he
would have heard the only information am able to
give to him. / believe that this report has, like
many Others arisen from the electric telegra ph
which, took an opportunity Of stating some time
ago, now transacts, not very correctly great por-
ton of the diplomatic business OF Europe. "a
laugh.) | have no reason to believe that the Aus
TRAN troops have crossed the frontier and entered
Bosnia but the contrary. My latest dates from the
English Minister at Vienna, which are to the It'll
inst, make no mention of it, | have also communi-
Gated with the Austrian Minister in this country,
who entirely disbeleves the report. He says he
thinks it may have arisen from some OF the Austrian
troops having been sent to their own fortress of
Peterwardein, which s about eighty miles from the
territory Of Turkey.
The conversation then dropped.
In the House OF Commons, upon July IL, Hr.
DIsRAELI wished to put two questions to the noble
lord the member fol the city Of London with respect
to the present state OF affairs in the East The first
fered to document which had reached this metropolis
that day, and which bore the title OF circular des-
patch addressed TO the diplomatic agents of the court
of St. Petersburg, and was signed by Count Nessel-
rode. 1t stated in that despatch that the
patton Of the municipalities by Russian force had
boon occasioned much by the naval occupation of
the Turkish waters by the combined fleets Of Eng
land and France, by the reusal OF the Sultan to
give the satisfaction which the Emperor Russia had
demanded ; and it stated that he would not retire
from the municipalities until complete satisfaction was
accorded to him by the Sultan, and until the com
bined fleets of England and France should have let
the ports OF the Sultan which they ut present
pied lie (Alr. ID IslaelD wished to know from ths
noble lord whether copy Of that circular despatch
had been presented to Her Majestys government
and if not, he wished to knew whether it was the