New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1853-11-24

which had been adjourned to three o'clock again
bed in the chamber of the Board Of Assistant Aldermen
70 hear evidence in this Present-Adermen Barker
and McConkey Mr. Willard appeared for prosecution
Mr. Nc(sOwan for defence.
Mr. Van Ness, crOssexemined; commences 0ahanS
engines in isf5 at No i49 EsseSst continued IN me ous
ness on INV own account until Oct 1851 since then ana
until within the last two months havs been employed IN
as the managing agent Of the firm OF 3 A. 'aness Ioe
MS r do not prseSs to have had any interest the hrm
had no interest in il except as its agent was no'
member of the firm.
McGowan-Did you ever receive salary as It's agent
This question raised exciting discussion between the
councils and the committee. Mr. W lard objected 10 H.
Mr. Willard objected the question ~ Il was an inqai-
nv into matters purely private that could give no on
this investigation lie urged that the Committee should
not allow question that presented TO the witness ne al
tentative of disclosing his private business or of refusing
to testify when the subject Of the inquiry had no connee
ton whatever with the present inv estigation
The Committee decided that the question was proper
Mr. Willard said that he assumed the fesponsioity OF
advising the witness that he under no obligation To
The witness accordingly declined to answer
Have You ever told any person persons that you nad
sold out your interest in the firm of s c. Van Ness Col
Mr. Willard stated again to the witness that he was al
liberty 10 refuse to answer. 49,
left 10 them TO decide Mr. Willard considered rs vir
uay decided in reference to the previous quessoh ana
decreed reference the previous Question and decreei
it proper advise the witness in regard to WHAT was ne
cessary for his personal protection
AID Barker said that the Committee should allow the
question TO be put. 49, -,
point before any such decision of the Committee was AN
n0unced.
allow me TO explain the whole history Of my connection
with the firm will do so bufI will not answer otherwise
O. Did you ever sell out your interest
Witness-i give the same answer.
O. Have YOU had any conversation sinco your ioct OK
animation with Mr.. Nenn and others
Alderman Barker said they could not hxye their iine
cnnieS Inv these arguments raised
Mr Willard said that unless he was allowed the prWl
ege always conceded to counsel OF discussing saeh
ons as be deemed important he should consider It his duty
10 rr;tbIsy from the case That however important
might me shorten the period Of the investigation WAS
still more important that the grave charges preerfe,
AGAINST Mr. Carson should be fully and fairly investigated
ne could not consent remain in the unless he was
allowed pursue that course which ne deemed necessary
present the views of those who preferred the ehage
night and the night before. A.,
There is more friction in the capstan then in the
old il the old capsian properly constructed wo9l %
az steady the it viii work as true II the ousel Is
not greater than the thickness OF the enan the usuos
ofthe chains support the rod by working m drec' nue.
The mower required to work both is about the came
shold think that the difference in power would be gen.
orally Observed first heard of this plan Ia the spring Oh
1851 Simon Van Ness was my ia1hei his' psat1 ., ao
ulan from James TOrpiss and George kurtz Mr. Iorpiss
called in regard 10 the building OF the engine George
Kurtz was the foreman Of The shop have not ard oil Mr.
in he outline and description OF the machine can't
tell who presents don't think any body was AZ tha' o
present when this conversation took place III my shop
First drawing came from Carson after he told me he had
applied for a patent; had convened with Carson ABOUT
Lnildng the machine don't remember talking with him
before constructing this capstan understood from Forbes
that he had most do with tho original ideas understood
hat Mr. Kartz and Simon Vaness had 10 do with II en1
no one cleo, Mr.. Forbes did not inform ma mar
Carson had anything to do with it heard karts say
thct II was an imposition in Mr. Carson attempting to got
a patent for IT. can't recollect who present such
conversations occurred daily between him ana me had
heard Mr. Torboss rdcule the idea OF Ny Carson pre-
tending Mr. Torbess proposed TO introduce capstan
in Esgine No 81 he said that the boys were dssashed
with my building the engine No u turned OUT 10 DO
good engine in my Judgment it worked avoraby for
fine It answered my expectations heard complaints OF
her working very hard at that time. .
Cant Brennan was the foreman asked Mr. Carson "
he was willing to have il put in referred Mr. Carson to
Kuriz & Torbess could put cross head IN instead oil
eapstan / have seen Mr. Carson receive money or
check for s25 from W. III. Torbess Engine No u was
built originally with plain capsan and an alteration TOOK
place Mr. Carson receive ed the amount OF the bli Mr.
Bacb was foreman have put the capstenin Engine No.
% think ard in No IL, which sold 70 the Corpora
ton: we built No. IL responsibility we OK.
pecied the Company take III Mr. Mccormick ordered
he carpener 10 put il in Mr.. Mccormick and Mr. Gar
son came up to see about No. IT, -.
The Company Of II Engino Is wei satisfied vih H. as
far az have heard put the capsan in 81 there were
no srecGc atoms for Al Al Company ordered ina engine
think thew ordered the Carson capstan to be put In Mr.
Carson gave in order in regard 70 building ~ inc
Cornorson paid for her II and Al were both bul an1
rurcbased by the Corporation thought Al did Us wen rs
could be expected was satisfied , .,,
Aid Baker here asked Mr.. McCowen II he wouii fthi
take some time before flashing the exanlnsfon Oh inc
witness
The Counsel replied in the Affirmative
AID Baker then sad that this Investigation stoou ~
jOurned until Monday at o'clock
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