The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1853-01-14
CONGRESSIONAL.
DEFERR ED DEBATE.
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 10, 1855.


BY unanimous consent, the personal explanations upon
this subject were resumed. lIs ~ s #r# IA fUHs
Mr.. sOULE resumed and concluded bis speech which
ui be blished hereafter IEstssT.0# .#rN4
MIR PEARCE. do not propose TO go al large into
this debate. entered into originally or the purpose OF
defending late Secretary OF State tMr, Cayton) from
tbe charge which bad been made against him. that by
correspondence with The British minister, subsequent
TO the ratification oil the treaty, he had done away with
what gentleman IN hls body understood 10 be the
ttue puTpo and intent OF The treaty and nothing which
has been said day has shaken my conviction that The
Secretary has been successfully defended. England. by
that treaty understand it, renounced right which
abe had in British Honduras, and neither that treaty
MIR Claytons letter undertook to fix the character OF
The rights which Great Britain might have in thai region
But there are other gentlemen in this body who think
that the intent OF that treaty 10 sweep British
patton from the entire Central America including British
Honduras. So do NOT think. | think the intention
was 10 limit the encroaohnents OF Great Britain who we
knew seeking TO extend her possessions in that
quastss but 10 leave those ssssioas which she was
actually then enjoying pecissly a. they were, without
Impeachment and without sspctiea That is the view
which many of here undestApd Is 10 be taken OF it.
But how happens it, Mr. Pssdsntt the consraction Of
the treaty which 10 given by gentlemen on the other side
be correct, and the intention was 10 aweep the British
away yom all their possessions in that quarter, even from
Bri,ish Honduastha, from the date OF the rshcAtlo
Of that treaty down 70 the present tme which Is two
years and half the British have continued lnelr occu
psncy psecsely they had 1t al the date OF hs treaty.
and from not Of those gsn,lemen-,who now deciaIs
mo sincerely no doubt that they undsIsoon .as ps
anu word Of remonsrance has been heard
ssaint such continued occupancy. in yioaon as s9sy
ssy OF The true Intent snd purpor oI INA. !iea na.
:.ss feet y, i s%y 0'''0' aDpe
But, sir, do no, propose TO go into this discussion
am afraid have talked much about il already and
owe the Senate m apology for having said these few
words Tue main purpose Of my rising was 70 make %
the Senate statement. which have been requested TO
make. on behalf of Col. King. have received this
rnornine BY the hand OF an honorable member OF the
other House from the Stale Of Alabama lMr. BRAao,]
The following communicaiion: 81 a
sColons King desires Mr. Psuroe say in the Senate
Thai has not his desire intention, in anything
which he been in reference TO the
and Bsws, Ie" the m ,.s she Qua ,Ss
conary he 10 do Mr. Clayton the justice 10
thai S sson was
ey project the rights and interests OF his county Col
ons nnE Of tho fact. Of the should have
been made the basis Tor unjust reflections on Mr.. Clay
this statement, except say that is perfectly consistent
with that character for strict integrity and scrupulous
honor which has ever been enjoyed BY Nj, King
Mr. SOULE. | wish 10 ascertain whether the honor
abls senator IRON Maryland mesns TO apply what Mr
King says OF his conversation IN reference TO Mr Clay
top merely 10 what transpred lately or to those copver
saons of which many OF us have bad occasion % speak
o connected with the ratification OF the treaty.
Mr PEARCE. i have authority 10 make any ap-
pliaon Of the statement st all present not as IRON
myss oa, - a. ne ~ wSs. 1smaThs e + APPLIES
Mr. SOULE mean, only 10 ask whether the honor
able senator had any means OF ascertanlng
Mr. PEARCE have not the means oil knowing
ANYTHING excep, the communication which have read TO
the Senate. have had no opportunity oi seeing Mr
King during his sickness This paper was handed TO me
this morning by the Hon. MIR. BRAGG, OF the House OF
Representatives, with request by Mr.. King that would
stale it in the Senate his behalf and thought
proper to read itin the very words o. Mr.. King.
Mr.. SOULE Does the honorable senator understand
to apply to the original remarksi
MIR. PEARCE. do not know tina, understand the
honorable senator do not know that can undertake
10 pu, construction on Mr. Kings statement or say 10
what il applies, though think it is quite perspieuous,
Mr. SOULE | merely want TO ascertain OF the sena-
whether he himself understood this explanation gwen
SsS ssSes aey
Mr.. PEARCE. 4 suppose not. ! suppose il applies
TO what was said in the Senate some days since but
have no authority from Mr.. King except TO make the
Mr.. OUI.E. Well. shall cover the whole ground
myself Il would that the honorable senator la
bors under misapprehension, and am snre that be
would be the last one TO be willing to do us injustice
He will feel some gratitude il shall be able TO set HIM
right have not dlsclaimed in any way The right Of
England, which have characterized as precarious, OF
cutting log wood in Honduras Whatever that right may
be- we have never dsclamed that il considered by
US all rs being untouched by the treaty but what we
have discaimed was that could not understand the
treaty leaving untouched the question oi sovereignty
in those islands, and am going 10 show from the very
language OF Mr.. Clayton, that we were right
Mr. PEARCE. III the senator will allow MEL un-
derstood him Alright do not know that there any diff
ference between him and myself that particular The
Senate will recolect that when made my remarks on
this subject the other day, expressly stated that Great
Britain had obaiaed her right OF possession in those re-
rions under the treaty OF 1763 that although she had
claimed 10 have some title before, and perhaps made some
IRREGULAR settlements the first valid treaty that OF
I763 which defined The purpose OF her occupation.
stated further that by the treaty OF 1885, the boundaries
within which England might proceed to exercise her
privileges were defined, and further privilege was given
when The convention OF l7s6 extended the bounds OF the
Brtish occupancy. do not know that mentioned the
fac, OF the acknowledgement OF those existing treaties by
that of 1914 That is undoubtedly stated by the hon
orabls senator from Louisiana, In nothing that have
said al aLy time. have undertaken TO yndicate the
rixhul dominion of Great Britain 70 those countries
have expressly refraned from that have spoken OF
the circumstances under which she obtained possession,
and OF the encroachmenls which she has endeavofed IN
violation OF the treaties which conferred on her restricted
rights, TO obtain an absolute dominion. do not see.
therefore. that in this respect there any difference Pc
that suppose the Clayton and Bulwer treaty leave the
rights oil Great Brain--whaever they sere-in British
Honduras without impeachment and without sanction.
Mr SOULE. Whence, then, would ask, can arise
The discrepancy between us and the honorable senator
We from the outset, uDhesiiangy adai,,ed that in 40
far a. certain precarous rights shi be claimed and held
bv Great Britain as having been transferred 10 her by tho
treaty OF and after wards by that oil 1885, they re-
mansd untouched Bnt other preiens ons than those ad
nissble under the suerance allowed BY those uea
ties were understood to be entertained by England, and
those we're the precnsions which this treaty was meant
to do away with II left England none OF those rights
through hich che might assume any political jurisdiction
the country covered, and this was all OF lenai