The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-01-06

his iodsinss vs,s searched By tho police, and his
letters and papers taken from him. Lord MAl8ss-
bury's attention has been called to the affair.
A number of English Sine merchants have origi-
mated movement for the reduction Of the duties,
ard IN influential deputstion had interview with
the government on ths subject on fhursday-with
what result has not yet been announced.
The chief point Of interest in the English news
ia the defeat which the Derby ministry has sustain
ed on the Ministerial Budget Qaestion The fol.
lowing summary Of he debate, which ended in this
defeat is given by the London Ii~sss, Of the 18th
ultimo
DEBATE LEADING TO THE DIVISION.
In the House Of Lords Tsursday night December
TO- the Roy assent given TO several bills BY commits
sion.
The EAaL OF DxRBy gave notice that he would the
aojournmsnt Of the Houss 70 morrow for the Christmas
recess In ths resolutions now under discussion we're
sanctioned In the House OF Commons.
Their Lordships then adjourned.
In the House OF Con@oas Mr.. GouLBuE, brought up
the report Of the sess committee appointed 70 oasder
and report upon the matters in petition from
the inhxbant househoders of Derby With reference to
the last election for that borough
In reply to question by mr. hinnauos
Lord erAsLnr stated the government had received
communications from Sir Bulser In regard 70 thetvo
aos and that there was reasonable hope Of their
The House having again resolved itself into Commit
tee Of Ways and Means the inhsbited house du les
preiinina airy discussion arsse upon psiut Of form
susgestion, by Lord John Russell that the
only part Of The uos having been put 70 the oo
mrtcs and that the whole OF the resolution should
read and put entire TO the House, that the HOUSE,
might have before it the exact proposition Of the govern
Ment.
The tcnAanAS expIsined how It had happened that
only the first section preamble Of the resolution I'd
hitherto been read namely, that an amends snt had
been interpreted by Mr. W. williams at the point where
he 1.-THE ChAnmsn) had stopped that the Of the
Amendment offered to Witbdaw IT, that he 1.-THE ChAr-
Esnl put the question, "sos and from that
time the discussion had been going on.
After the debate upon this point Of form had occupied
upwards of hour, 1t agreed that the whole Of tbs
resolution shoulG be from the chair This
cordngy DONE when the adjourned debate was
summed by
si A. CocKsusx, who attributed the embarrassment
into which the question had fallen to ths shifting and
vacillsDg conduct Of the government The COMMITTEES
now called upon 10 express It's opinion not only
whether the Of taxation should be extended
whether the amount sAouia b Increased The favorits
argumen. for ensrgpg the area vas he observed that
the parties to whom the direct taxston would extend
should not Be exempted from their fair share OF that
taxation. But until the startling inequalities which
existed in the systcm OF indirect taxation and
which pressed upon the classes rsctded hs
direct taxation from which those classes free
ought not To be extended them. Whist the
responding advantages they to receive The rsauo
The malt duty had been put forward = pressing
upon the sg outura interest and could It be matter Of
surprise II the humber classes nov for the first time
taxed for the pupOec OF rsmittiDs that duty should
charge the government with Dnistsrng the landed
interest at their expense He insisted preceding
speakers had done that tho removal Of only half tine
malt duty, which would kavs the excise vsxahons -
they would benefit sensby neither producers nor
consumsrs What became then Of the Chanceor's won.
derfu schsme Of fnaFce' The truth he believed
that ne made pronises 70 suit the purposes OF the
msnt, which be found it apostolic to redeem. 1t
dangerous well utif able he said thus To tam
with the finances VI the country and to ssgendsr
strife and artsurnngs unless confer great po
some which might renewed within the margin Of the
surplus With reepect the whole budget with ex-
eepttons the tsa duties and the Of the income
tax. which he warmly commanded all was barren.
Mr. WHITEsDE controvertsd the argument Of Mr. Glad
stone and Mr., Gculburn that the taxing Irsh landed
property and ocia salaries each Of nation
al faith and public cresit justified the exemption Of
the land in Ireland the taxing OF which he said would
be add injustice pju,tcs The land Of Ireland was
subject to oharses wssh d,a not .tseh to tho fund
kolder or the mortgage Upon he general question he
admitted that the lucid agaasnt Of Mr. Lowe upon the
subject OF the malt tax had made impression upon
him namely that although the could not be JUST
fed upon economical priBcipss Its partial remission
had used controvertsd. he ssid by the practical
knowledge OF Mr.. Bsse. He .ered tbs argument
Of Sir that direct taxation should Be ap
piled 10 the CLASSES su ring under indirect tsxa0n by
urging that the budget proposed to extend direct
ton for the puIpoes q the owls Of indirect
tcna we'll economical grounds the extension OF the
house tax TO fls houses 81 this justice which, he be-
hsved the country was convinced.
Lord DxunLAKIIe Coz paiDed sf the msnDsr In which
tho landed interest u the country has been mlAed and
by the present aod declared that In
Scotland the practical result a The budget would be-
that the farmers ws~Id b. worse Oh than before
Mr. BLAIR the otAsr band declared that the budget
had been fAvsraby received In the county (Ayr he
presented and hsd bssn resolved With disfavor in
Scotland generally.
ID. repIO2ohtu government
dis dealing ts.ards IrssAA in respect Ne
income tax and the edAted ann0ities declaring
that that country had been deserted and betrayed In the
budget
Mr. PEAcooKr intended TO support the resolution With
out committing himself tss details. He deprecstsA
attached to the land and he sood oppose tine govern
menr proposition relating TO the malt tax which
and local On subjsor Of the house he rave hts
cordial Import to the approving only Of
the principle Of the ax but Of It's extsAAon to fl0
houses
Sir r gAnrse eoueurrsd with Sir @. Wood and Mr..
Gculbuzn in thinking that the reduction Of the malt
CT tho Chapcellor Of the Rxcsequsr doubt full
one that the application Of th- income tax to the Irish
of the country would b. tf by budget In possi
not suficir He disenssed With considerable
fulnsss the principle and 0osis OF the house tax and
then sxhmned toe proposed notifications OF the income
tax pointing ut various practical anomalies and inoon
eruities IN their application to different species Of In
ard he oortendsd ths, IL there an sonsst Ia
tention pert Of rhe gsvesnent carry their
principles the rassiutions nnst be Withdrawn and re-
cen structec.
The CHANCELLOR EIcHrqsxR rose, after foar
nights criticism upon the roitioos he had made
the House in order to vIndicat~ them He had listened
he said TO nothing which, in his opinion had
fuzzy In pugned the policy b. had amended, and hs
prepared to enov .hs the objections urged assst
it entirely unfoun0ed ard liusery He first 40
dressed himself to the subject Of the Exsh.qusr Loas
Fund OF which he had taken Goo 900 ss ways and
Of the year He explained The origin Of this
blishment (Which he 10 abolish snd aserved
that when his attention drawn to ths fund he found
In this balance 81 wards OF $3.50 600 Tying
idle law being in exste p-rsDpterily ung that
this tuctive uId bs every
ter and he stated caes In yhieh be seId the OF
the ha svslsd hi se Of Thu public fund virtually
without Es cegLxancs Of Parliament and had been
Equsndered which had Ihe vigilance Of Mr.
Hume f25oo had been lsnt to the fhames Tunnel q
Which not shilling had bosH repaid. Bsttorsea Pa,k,
Of the Noful Of tp,c uatioes had had sd-
arc OF so eco. He haj a catalogue Of parallel in
stances, f N s24 TO 1850 in Hhch very htsis
short Of 9Ttot00 had 5eer I'D vnrcad not Sir j. Ora
ham alleged. TO country gentlemen every shilling OF
which kad lost 20 the country He had been asked
why he had touched this fund. Tic replied to sve
Consolidated Fund from ths annual charge and to put
n stop to mach merry which visited the public money.
Ther in which bad made the i0C Gee act upon
the reduction Il the suoiio debt Mr. Dlsa expoundeA
to the committee conordng that the b. aad pur
susd in conformity with the sSlis atoms Of the
well Sith the Of Parisn.ntary nit
tees de hen noticed til. second grraigrmsns ~ hI
financial statements by Sir o. Wood namely, the mistake
be had been supposed TO make in the oststa Of dat
cheney IN 1854 So through the semi repeal OF the malt