The republic. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1849-1853, 1853-04-25
THE REPU BLIC.

Ans 1t was just out of the town
Mr. MAY. What was the course of the cur
remit
Ans think the current was in the same drec-
ton, but cannot be certain about that
Ques. Do you recollect whether the current ran
to the northeast or southwest
Ans ] am inclined to think it ran to the north
east.
joined the C1rasal below the junction!
Ans. do not know. We did not go below that.
Ques. understand you to say that there was a
high bluff on the south side of the river?
Ans 1t ran by the bluff perhaps two hundred
yards, and then made an abrupt turn. We did not
60 below the junction.
GUS When you returned, l understand you to
say you crossed it more to the west?
Ans did-about league.
Cues. How many leagues were there between
the two points where you crossed the two branches
Ans About two miles. 1t was nearly night
when we crossed it, and think went about a
mile before encamped that night; and then
think we went about mile the next morning
before we reached the branch.
CUES. Did you pass by hacienda or rancho of
Buena Vista?
Ans There was one of that name two or three
days journey down the road between Laguinilas
and Tampico, about two leagues from the valley.
CUES. Was this village of Pinal constructed Of
stone houses, or were they made of sticks2
Ans. They were part of stone. Some of them
on the outskirts were of sticks and mud.
&USt. w mere Was Tue CuuTCD Sltudtcu!
dns. The church was the street leading to
the plaza, or open place at the junction of three
streets. The church was upon one OF those streets
that there met.
Ques How far wac the church that you found
down in the hill or mountain from the village of
Pinal?
Ans. cannot cay how far the church was, be-
cause left it upon our right. l cannot tell the
distance from the point where we observed it.
understood at the time that it was old mission
ats tim hut did not hear the name of it
Ques Do you recollect the names of any persons
living in Pina?
Ans. do not. did not see any persons in Pr
nal of whom inqnired the names except the man
we staid with, and do not remember his name
now.
Quts Do you remember the name of any per-
sons you met there?
Ans. do not, One name was mentioned, but
do not remember it..
CUES Do you recollect the name of any person
after you left Laguinillas on this excursions?
Ans. heard nothing than the christian
name, as they arr in the habit of calling each other
by their christian names, such as Don PHILIPPE,
Don Pedro, &c.
CUES. Did you see any of the public authorities
in Pinal?
Ans. No, sir; did not suppose at the time that
there were any there.
Ques. Did you find any mines that had sheds
over them?
An.. The one at Santa Clara had shed over it;
the only one we law.
Ques Describe it.
Ans. 1t was singled roof, elevated upon three
rows of upright posts or stanchions; and | think
that at one corner little hut built, some
boarding being put up to make room there. The
hut at the conner of the shed; think under the
eaves, that you could pass into it from under the
roof of the shed.
CUES. Was the mouth of the mine protected in
any way?
Ans There was nothing but this shed there.
think the mouth was open.
OUR Was there thinp the month of
the mine?
Ans. l did not observe any thing. looked down
into the mine, but did not go down. AS far as
could see, it was perpendiC uar descent.
Ques. Was there refinery that mine?
Ana. The nearest refinery was the upper re-
fnery.
Ques. How far off was that?
dns About mile.
Ques. How far do you think this mine of Santa
Clara was from the village OF PinaR
Ans. Perhaps q miles.
Cues. Was Pinal at the top or at the base OF the
mountain?
Ans. 1t was in little gorge between the cliffs,
and was lower than the hills around it.
Senior Huici, stporn.
MIR. CARLISLE You attached to the Mexican
legation'
Ans. am.
Ques. How long have you been attached to that
legation?
Ans. have been here ever since November,
lS4S
Ques w no was the minister OF mexico AT that
timer
Ans. De la Rosas
CUES. You are still attached to the legation. Are
you acquainted with the signature of Mr.. Rosas!
dns. / am.
Ques. You have often seen him write?
Ans. have, very often.
MIR. CARLISLE here showed the witness some pa
oers, and asked him to examine the handwriting
Ind signature, and state whose they were?
Ans. The signature is that of Mr. De la Rosas.
The body of the writing is by gentleman of the
name of Perez. who left Washington in 1851.
Quss. Was Mr.. Perez attached to the legation?
Ans. He was.
CUES. Do you know the handwriting well?
Ans. do.
Mr.. CARLISLE stated that the paper handed to
he witness to examine was what is called the ex-
oulson paper, referring to the expulsion of DR..
Gardiner from the mines, and also, he under
stood to say, the letter of Mr.. Guzman.
CUES. Do you know the seals of the Mexican
egation?
Ana. do.
Ques. Examine this (handing it to him) and
lee you recollect the seal and stamp?
Ans. That is the stamp of the Mexican lega-
ion think it is the seal. / cannot make it out,
but believe it is the one. / recollect it because
DR.. Gardiner had not taken it away with him.
The wax seal became somewhat obliterated by the
heat, and it was brought back to have it stamped
with the other seal.
Another paper being handed witness, he said
he signature was that of De la Rosas, and the
body OF the writing was by Mr.. Perez. The seal
a the genuine seal of the Mexican legation.
Ques. Do you know whether this claim of DR..
Gardiner was brought to the notice of the lega-
lion?
Ans. know that Mr.. De la Rosas received some
letters from MIR. Arista, then Secretary OF War,
this claim to his notice, on account of
DR.. Gardeners creditors in Mexico.
gus. Was that the same Mr.. Arista who wac
afterwards the President of the republic?
Ans. He was the same
Ques. Are you acquainted with Mr.. Aguilar
Ans. / am acquainted with him.
Cues. When and how did you make his acquaint-
ance?
Ans. Some time ago met him at Willard's,
and he being Mexican | called upon him and
In this way remembered his countenance.
Cues. Did he state to you upon what business he
came here?
Ans He stated that be came here as a witness
against DIR. Gardiner.
Ques. Did he state what expectations he had?
Mr. MAY. object to that question. The gentle |
men must make their foundation for asking that
question:
Mr. CARLISLE. do not want to make any foun- |
iation. i understand the rule to be that ii wit
ness has given an account of any matter in court
and made issue to dscredit that account, and to |
show that he has given different account at some
other time and to another person, you must first |
call his attention to the fact by naming the person
and intmating the time of his making the state |
ment, so that be may have a fair opportunity Of
Tered him of saying what has passed That, I'M |
terstand, is the rule but ii 10 confined to cases
there you seek to dscredit witness by proving |
hat be has Uiv different account OF trans-