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Amend il before you adopt IT, How just the SEN
ate shall nj We viii strike one section OF it, if
you please and adopt all the rest will amend all the
rest II you please and adopt II will strike out all
OF the bill and put IN single section Just the
Tor from Pennsylvania Mr. BRoDHEADl proposes That
is my understanding OF the uniform practice OF the Sem
ate and think the Chair will TO that conclusion
on examining the rules understand the from
Connecticut proposes 10 amend the bill do not know
bur be has Just Withdrawn his amendment
The PRESIDENT. His amendment has just been
adopted;
the amendment will make TO this amendment That
is the very question. We will amend il either by srk-
ing ALL by striking out sections, by
adding it but after have adopted it, il will then
stand as the judgment of The Senate That is parliament
airy law, as understand IT. and ask the Chair il il is
not So
Mr. RUSK. | shall not be SO positive about The rule,
because do not know much about it az the honora-
BILE senator from Maine Mr. HAMLkl seems to know.
But understand the rule TO say that you may amend
amendment so lar as that goes, you can amend
amendment by striking out all except word and then
adding more words. to that one, and thus amending
But il you strike all out. is that amending it think
not though il may be defeating il.
MIR BELL, hope some mode will be devised by
which, consistently with parliamentary proceedings, the
question which the honorable senator from Pennsy
lMr BRoDHEADl wishes to have tested in the Senate will
be brought vote. think the honorable senator IRON
Maine Mr. HAMLIN] is wrong in regard to his expos
ton OF the rule OF parliamentary proceedings because in
amending an amendment you must leave some portion OF
the original amendment standing. The proposition OF the
honorable senator from Pennsy TO set aside The
amendment reported BY the senator from Texas alto
gether Now, if the honorable senator from Pennsylva
MIA will sit down and consider moment, think he can
find some words in the reported amendment OF the sena
tor from Texas which he will be willing to leave in,
upon which he can hang his amendment And then we
shall have the question before us whether or not il is
worth while for TO proceed to further consideration
of the proposition TO build railroad, to authorize
railroad 10 be built according law understand that
the proposition of the honorable senator from Pennsylva.
MIA that there shall be- and ought to be- preliminary
question be considered and setledthat is, whether
in condition to enact anything in relation
to this road, except 10 make appropriation for recon
noissance survey OF this country, and then TO decide
whether will construct this road not. presume
senator has any objection TO consideration oil that
question because is preliminary in its character. II
have not bad sufficient light TO enable us to pass
law, authorizing the construction OF road at all until
get further information by explorations made
by the engineers of the government by civil engineers
appointed by the President why then it is useless to pro-
coed furhernow It's necessary 10 obtain that inform
ation is OF preliminary mature, before we can act
upon this bill at all.
hope the senator from Pennsyl vania Mr. BRoDHEAD]
will be able to find words in the reported anend
ment which he leave standing, and upon which he
can hang his amendment as TO give us opportunity
to act upon and decide his question. wish it may be
80, as shall be ready at any time to consider that
MIR. BRODHEAD | think my proposition was well
understood by the Chair and by the Senate When we
offer propositions OF this kind-substutes-i is gener,
ally well understood that leave woTd-the word
"tbat for insiancein the proposition which /, is pro-
posed 70 amend by substitution;
Mr. BRODHEAD. Then, # leaving in the word shat
be sufficient can accomplish my Object Tor can move
TO amend the amendment OF the senator from Texas Mr.
RUsK by leaving several words for instance. the
words That shall be the duty of the President of the
United States will do that and then propose to add to
them, in lieu OF what propose 10 strike out, my propo-
sition, which is preliminary proposition, providing for
a reconnaissance and survey. think that as that IS
preliminary proposition we ought to have vote upon IT,
ask for The reading OF my amendment which send to
the Chair.
Mr.. DAVIS | understand the honorable senator FROM
Pennsyv ana TO 10 strike out all OF the amendment
reported by the select committee after the enacng clause
That think, is perfectly orders and If leaves open TO
the Senate an opportunity to amend the comnittee's
amendment and perfect that amendment as much as they
please before any question is taken upon the proposition
of the senator from Pennsylvania Them when the Sen,
81 ss ssaur nrom Ere ien ms,agsa
shall stand instead OF the perfected committees amend
nent; and if they adopt it, it will then go into the bill
In other words that senator's proposition would take the
place OF this, and II adopted finally, would be substi
tute for the bill before II seems 10 that the diff
Guilty will be entirely cleared up, if the Senate be al
lowed TO amend the committees amendment as they may
proper, and then the honorable from Pennsyl
vania, il he will let his amendment stand I'LL that is done,
can, when the committees amendment is matured, offer
his proposition and let the Senate act upon it.
Mr. BRODHEAD. That is the course which pro-
pose 10 pursue. l simply ask the reading OF my amend
this time The Senate then proceed and per-
feet the proposition reported by the honorable senator
from Texas Mr. RUsK j and when it is perfected
shall ask them to vote upon the preliminary proposition
which have offered
ue aMendmenI OF oar. bRODHEAD 10 Inc commuters
amendment WAS then read, 1t being strike out all after
the word " that" and insert as follows
The Secretary of War be, and he is hereby authorized
under the direction OF the President OF the United States
employ such portion OF the OF topogra phcal
gineets and such other be deem necessary
make reconnaissance and OF the practical
bic and economical for railroad from the Mississippi
river 10 the Pacific and that the OF 100 be
and the same Is hereby appropriated OF any money in
the treasury not otherwise appropriated deray the
psnse OF such exploration and survey.
Mr.. ADAMS. concur entirely in the suggestion made
by the honorable senator from assoc [Mr DA
vrsl in regard TO this question OF older Il understand
that when motion is made TO amend bill by striking
out and Inserting in lieu thereof substitute that mo
ton in ordsr but before take upon that prop
osition, the original bill ia subject amendment and to
votes. proposed by its friends Others so that may be
perfected before the substitute is voted upon When the
original bill is perfected by considering section by sec
ton and voting upon the amendments proposed IT, then
the proposed substitute comes up for consideration and is
alike subject to amendment the original bill so as
TO perfect before the final taken upon il. Ii is
very important that shall be governed by parliament
airy rules IN reference to this matter The object is obv-
Gus TO every one It is that before the substitute shall be
voted upon. the original proposition shall be made per-
fect as TINS body can make It, and then, by similar per-
lection OF the substitute, there be fair test of the
two when We come TO vote upon them After the original
bill in this shall have been gone through with and
perfe hen he hy he