New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1853-05-05

Mr. FuileronNobOdy ever suspected he had any lnfiu
but want TO show that be SAID ths by way Of IN
teneatOn We do not insinuae he consulted with any OF
tke Committee but desire n prove bis reckessness
Witness-When 10 the Clerk for subpenas today,
snd this gentleman poining 10 Mr.. CapPl az the
Ilace said only as few words as / could; though saw
the Counsel in conversation with Members Of the Commit
tee and Mr. Cozzeus below stairs hugging OF he
with bis hand round his neck
Mr. Fulerton-I desire to state that did not want 70
npu,e any COLLISION with the Witness by any Member o.
the Committee but want to show thai h. conduct WIS
such to eudeayOr to induce persons 70 believe such was
the ease.
Winess-No sir I never said any such thing; bat It
may answer your purpose 10 ssyso.
Tie Chairman-I do not think this is acting fair toward
the Committee or that those questions shouid have ose
ask ed and IN my opinion counsel has taken too FsA,
latitude in this inquiry.
Mr. FuIerton-l wish the Chairman would point out the
particular instance he alludes to-
Chairman-Wel in the whole conduct Of the crosse1'
animation did not wish TO check It, but to give the
greatest latitude possible for the purpose Of the inquiry
but vet there must be some limit.
Nj Fullerton consider ampursuing proper course,
and WILL if the Committee in consultation advise me taat
am wrong desist; bat yet do think that am bound 10
order 70 show the motives Of this witness the dsrepube
conduct he would seek to sten some of the members
Of this Committee, 10 ask those questions and 10 siit them
for will be able to prove by direct testimony what fore
shadow here.
Chairman-The Committee will not be guided in their
opinion by what he may may not have said.
Dir. Fullerton hope not
O-Have Won not followed g. w. Austen 70 his home
repeating threats b. you would carry into execution I'M
less your bill was d!
Al never foIo,, living man always held up my
head wherever Wa; the original petition Is IN my mana.
writing and il procured those signatures TO it, and
also sentit TO Albany by the direction OF the peuonsis
10 know what going about the getting up Of this
petition that he might follow You and see aud ind out
A-No | did not; and want to know what are the
threats referred to and desire to know II Il Is out OF
order for to explain what conversation had with Mr.
Austen al the time.
q. In whose employment were you before you "ehi
into that of the Art Union.
A. want to know what that has to do with this matter
do not Ant to have anything Of my private Affairs e1
posed unless il is pertinent to the issue
Char1nan-I cannot what this has to do with the IN
yestigation, or what IS the motive.
MIR Fullerton.-We in end TO impeach the witness
have hesitation in telling it, want to show mat ne was
b the employment of the Seventh Ward Bank, and we
know what odor that VIII throw around him
Chairman certainly must say do not CONSIDER theSe
observations at all necessary.
Mr. Fu!lerton-You ask me my intention and tel you
and then sIn not justified. Our motive to impeach the
witness and want to lay the ground w0rk tor IT,
ChairmsnIf all these things are to be gone iuc, do
not see that we can 10 an end Nor do con
ceive the best mode Of expedtDg the investigation has
Mr. Fuleon-I certainly viii not take the opinion the
Chair that point.
Chaiman-Nell then, appeal
MIR FuIleron-I do not desire to do that but still
ceive am doing nothing but my duty and not permitted
to 90 on, | viii leave.
Witness--I will answer anything he asks.
Chairman-lf he is willing to answer we have no o9ec-
ton but where will il end
MIR FuleTton-In whose employment were you before
you were in tl,4t of the Art Union
Al was IN the employ ofthe Seventh Ward Bank about
- or years. but there nothing my conduct to be
ashamed Of rrever was was IN several situations
since that h-lUe went to the Art Un0ni there WAS no
one rreset when Mr. Austen made the remarks respecting
Col Warner 1 said Mr.. Jarvis or Mr. Benedict
present was paying Mr. Austen money az the nsi
the claims presented by Mr. Austen claims and dis
bursemens alleged TO be made by him. without vouchers
attached to the bin to show the money paid and Col
Warner localized them by attaching his to those
oCa n hod
being brought before them cannot say exactly Tor what
they were without seeing the books think that was IN 81
or so do not know who altered the SO voucher 10 go
but knew paid and Mr. Davis said he received the
s25 was in the that in which the Committee
sat when they passed that bill for SIS SAW on the
rough minutes s5 andaerwaTds for the same aO dnt IN
the bound volumes and al later period saw the SD mad
been changed to s25 and resolution Of the Committee
auihc rzirg such alteration existed.
OWN you state who told you that the slOO paid Mr.
Cozzens IS for advertisements was for champaigne
A Mr. Austin told me on Jan J. 1881, in the presence Of
u " { Boutelle, Mr. Washlag6r my son. and Mr. Red
Der that he had paid the day before 90 for champagne
drank entertainment given the year before and winch
should ont Of the pockets Of the Committees was
sad Nj Cozzens said So and also Dir Austin and others
said the money pay the entertainment came out 1.-THE
private pockets Of the Committee there were numerous
complaints made by The subscribers Tor the expense gonetO
bv the Committee champagne and oyster suppers and
tcse always met 10y denial that the expense came
out Of the funds Of the institution but out OF the private
rockets of the Committee, | never present sc any
general meeting. at public meeting at NiO0s,
or elsewhere, when bill was passed for those
was one ever presented n any meet
ing for such expenses | did not hear Of bill beng
passed to pay these charges at the previous year
of 1872 but did hear that the auditors at this meeting
approved Of the entertainment Of the Committee in this
way; the President asked the question in his address at
the meeting at Nibo's Theatre thus he stated that the
Committee had been much abused and misrepresened in
regard TO charge of having under color of the Institution
Given sumptuOus entertainments, and he also stated that
The Committee performed their services gratuousy and
that if they had year made an outlay OF few hun
bred dollars in matter of kind which would each
individual subscriber only about quarter Of cent
they not justified in doing and the audience answered
Ies the President then announced that the Co nmittse
had not taken the funds pay for the entertainments but
paid for il cut of their pockets and the audience
cheered they had these entertainments once year and
sometimes twice; they had those entertainments twice
during the year Jenny Lind came here; those enter
ainmt given about the fall Of the year Just before
the opening of the gallery.
The Committee adjourned TO l2 o'clock (noon) this day