The republic. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1849-1853, 1853-05-17
THE 0AUDINER CASE.
CRIMINAL COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF
COLUMBIA.
aEPoRrED roR rHE aEPuBtIcI

QUE. did vou No. saw. when you got Eve or six
miles south, that the hills were % hign tnss you
could not look over them to see Lag wniiias
Ans | NAV have said 30. saio tnas mere vas
1orgs ~ ,6oss mountains through which the
road 6assed The road ran over hih The gor &c
was formed by hills, being lesssr mountains than
them YOU were in valley called Lemoncita val
Iav When you assembled the m ,untains from the
nnnosite side of the valley, think that you might
look back and see Laguinillas from the submits
Quss. How far ia that from Laguiniiias,
Ans 1 took it to be three or four leagues, or ten
miles south from Lagunillas. There is a range OF
mountains, from the SUBMITS Of some of which you
can the village OF Lagunillas.
Ques. Did you go up one Of those mountains.
and look back and see IL!
-dns. l did the village from the summit oil
one, which not the highest. could look bac L
and see the white speck, which WA the village oil
Laguinilias.
Ques. la what direction was that from Lagui
ninas9
Ans / think south
Quss What il the distance?
Ans. cannot be positive. did not measure
be distance, and only speak by guess.
Qtss. W hat is the range OF the distancer
.Ans About ten miles. Il there may be seven
or thirteen.
sLss. Did the mountains south from there rise
or iall'
5ns. Some were higher and some were lower.
eaes Does the range of mountains from which
you could see Laguiniilas continue the same levels
come to valley in which the Carrasal hows.
Cues, Where the place from which you
could look back and see Laguinillaa
-4ss My opinion ia that il was out Of La guinil.
las, and in Queretaro.
GUS. How far ia the southern boundary of the
district Of Laguinillas from the village Of Laguinil-
las9
Ans. About four leagues II is impossible for
me to be accurate about distances
CUES want to ascertain whether there was a
place on hill south and outside Of LaguiniIlas
r,.b, II, r ,llae}
Ans. | think you could see il from the summit
of a mountain, portion OF which might be in La
guinillas. =, x
Quss Was the place from which you could
look back and see Lagunllas in the district Of La
guinillas, not!
Ans. think it is in Queretsro, but I may be
mistaken. II may be on the boundary, or very
near it.
Qies. Did you get to that place by going east
from the Spa nish village on the Carrasal, or noR
Ans. ! was ascending the Lemoncita valley.
coursng in south line from the v1aey you must
strike it.
CUES. Can you tell me the number of places
from which you may look back and see LAgui-
nillas?
Ans. / cannot say positively.
Cues | want all the information / can get
of La guinillas you approached in two directions
from Lemoncita valley, and from the valley of the
Carrasa?
Ans. Yes, sir
SNes. 10 suaL tAS SAINT place. YOU ueSSIlOSu
10 usp
Ans. cannot say positively that it is the same
Cues. IL il due south from La guinillas9
Ans. Ii is south; but will not say that it il due
south, because did not ascertain exactly by the
compass.
CUES. Would you Judge that it was south'
Ans. Yes sir; il is south
Ques You asked to the course of the
stream where you struck it below Arroyo Seco,
and where you Afterwards struck it near the south
RI II r sll,,D
Ins. / only saw il.
e'es Did you go to the yllaget
Ans. No, sir.
CUES. How near you to the streams
ans cannot tell exactly. The road very
bad, but thsee was a better going on the tops
of the mountains, slightly to the westward.
Siss. Did you meet anywhere in that explora-
ton with the junction of two streams?
Ans. or running water did not. The other
day in your argument, Mr.. Bradley, you made a
mistake, and avail myself of the present occa-
SION TO correct il. You said that testified that
in all Laguinillas | had met with no running
stream.
Mr.: BRADLEY. qualified it by saying, except
Mr.. MAY. Within twenty miles of the town of
Lsguinillas to the SOUTH which country you fully
explored, passing over it two or three times, there
is no running stream other than the Carrasal
riyer2
Ans. Most positively there ia none other.
Mr.. BRADLEY. In what direction does the Car
rasal river aow after you frat strike it Arroyo
seco?
-Ars. About southeast.
CUES. Are there not running streams therel
Ans. There are dry uyroyos there, which have
water in them In the rainy
CUES. understand you to say that you do not
know any thing about the luncture Of Carrasal and
Ayutla rivers
Ans did not go there.
Mr.. MAY. Is the Carrasal a bold riyer9
Ans Yes, sir. There was good deal of water
IN 1t when crossed 1t, and also when the commits
sioners crossedit IL was rather broad river.
ar RI Hn doom DO L -
Ans. The water came Up nearly to the stomach
Of hy horse. i had to get upon the top Of my sad
die TO keep from getting wet.
sues How deep was il at the place where aome
of the party went in bathing?
<4ns. do not know. Ibid not go down to
them baihe
An apparent omission here occurs in The report
as furnished
The DisrsIcr ArroRsEY. / have reduced the
offer OF the United States to writing, that there
may be no mistake about it 1t is az follows:
The defendant having offered the evidence of the
witnesses who visited the mines alleged to be his
mines, and who described certain mines. towns,
rehneries, mountains, and other physical objects
which they saw during their progress 10 said
mines, the United Stat, offer the evidence of other
witnesses tending to prove that they saw the same
physical objects, towns rehneries, mounts ina. ind
mines themselves. The United States offer this
evidence in order to contradict the said witnesses
for the defendant. and to enable the jury to deter
mine the true site OF the mines testified to by the
witnesses for the defendant; their true distance
from the village OF Laguinillas and whether they
are in the State OF San Luis Potosi in the State
Of Queretaro.
The CoURr. The court said, in its decision on
Monday last, that you might show that the wit
on the part OF the defendant we're mistaken
but you could not show that there were mines forty
fifty miles off.
Mr.. May We offer to prove that they are the
mines by their appearance, and by the
mountains and villages surrounding them.
The CoURr The court has answered that in its
decision already, The court decided, without
reference to what you have put upon paper, that
you have permission to prove where the Carrasal
is. You have done that already; but to prove that
mountain is fifty miles off does not prove that
there 10 none within ten or fifteen miles You have
right 10 show that there are no mines in the
locality of Laguinillas.
Alfred 4. Leuis, recalled
Mr. MAY. Have you lived nearly all your life
silver mines, and you familiar with silver
oresr
4,,s. am practical Judge Of silver ore.
CUES. Have you lot been engaged in mining
and examining ores'
Ans Yes, cir.
Q.les. For how long
Ana Since waa nine years of age.
CUES. Do you remember OF my having handed
YOU a piece of red ore which one Of the witnesses
dsferro took from Carrizalitor