The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-10-28

We landed there We pursued regular course below Tur
the river four miles above Kngston the Henry
Clay alongside Of sx miles above she was Tapped
on to u.s. seven miles above she Tapped little over them
1t was about eight miles from Bristol when came up
US 80 az our bows were touching the Henry Clay tapped
apart from eight miles above course was southery
to Kingston We generally go along the east shore from
shore we were close to the westward channel the
Henry Clay closed upon the further went down.
&c; whsIs was your boat Ave minutes before the col
A. About four miles above Kingston, close to tho west
shore.
O. Could You have gone prudeny nearer to that shore2
A. No, because the helm would nor answer saw the
Henry Clay before the collision place. two
at the wheelhouse of tie Henry Clay when the collision
who the other
Q. Did you speak to themf
A. l asked them whether they meant to me
ashore whether they meant to destroy the lives Of
passengers and the property hailed them twice. the
language Of the second hail was the same, think.
Q. What was the answer given from the Henry Clay
pilot house?
A. 1t was sung out ''we viii bother you"
Q. Did they run into you!
O. Did you see Capt Talman at that timer
A. did, sir; he was standing alongside the pilot
@ How great distance from Hubbard, the pilots
A. The partition parted them; think nothing else;
Mr. Hubbard; think It was Mr. Emendorf
O. At the time the collision took place, did your boat
(the Armenia) slacken her speedy
A. We slowed, stopped and backed
@ Did the collision take place when you were slowed
when you were stopping, or when you were backing
light work above guard and broke half dozen
stancheons.
O Were you as close to the west channel as You could
prudently go at the time of the collisiong
A. So close that the boat would not steer.
9 At what speed were you going from Albany to Cats
kill, and from Catskill to Kingstens
A. was going along pretty good jog but not fast
as we had been.
making?
A didn't count them that day; had about thirty
inches of steam that day; don't think we had over
thirty -one inches that day. the Henry Clay reached
Kingston that day rst the Henry Clay left it first.
O. Did anything happen to any part Of your gearing
Mr. Hall lis said he expected to prove that both tho
boats were going pretty fast jog, and that it was in
consequence Of the breaking of strap the Armenia fell
back The theory of the prosecution Is, that If the
Armenia not the river that day there would have
been racing and that the misconduct commenced
The Court inquired if it broken at the time of the
collsions A. No: (The question was not admitted
what they call hurricane deck the main deck be-
low; the lower Geek the length of the boat the
hurricane deck abat the stern Wheel the hurricane
deck is made of wood covered with and painted
and extends back TO the stern the pilot house is mid
ships of the fore part of the upper deck the smoke pipe
Crossexamned by Mr.. wheaton-Q How much faster
had you run in the Armenia on other daysf
A. ! can't tell, but we carried ten pounds more Of
steam carry; that is matter of fact; don't know
about how manv miles hour averaged down to
Kingston; didn't time her; I-don't think went
seventeen miles hour; didn't 60 that all the time.
O. What was the average speed from Albany
A. We did not average seventeen miles all the way from
Albany would like you to show the boat that would
go seventeen miles an hour over shoal water.
@ Between Catskin and Kingston how mauy miles did
A. don't think we went over seventeen miles an hour;
that is good water.
Q How many miles an hour have you run the Armenia
at any other time?
a. Twenty; could her safely twenty miles an hour
when in good order and in good water there is water
enough between Catskill and Kingston
O. Did increase your speed after you left Cask to
to Kingston in consequence of your having good water?
A We always carry more steam below than above Cats
KILL because the water enables do so there was not
anything remarkable in two boats running close to
another this river it happens frequently and they
might do so as long they don't get foul Of each other
O. Did you give any orders to increase the speed Of
your boat he Armenia) in consequence Of the Henry
Clay approaching you?
tnued-We did not 60 any distance in contact;
not than minute two we struck, glanced and
parted stopped, and think the Clay stopped too;
it about four miles above Kingston point in
contact
O. When two boats are close together and going in the
direction, does the suction bring them together
without any INTENT
A. 1t does sometimes when we struck the Clay was
ahead us; if she she would have struck our
water wheels that's what afraid Of say think the
Clay stopped too when stopped; the closest
to her. after we left Kingston, was mile mile and
half.
Cross examined by Mr.. McMahon-Q Where did you
meet the Aida that day? A. You have rather got me
foul now-tlaughter)-I can't think.
Q. Have you ever known the Henry Clay to be in New
York al three oclockS a. have her here pretty
often at that hour.
O. That lie, having left Albany at O'Clock in the
morning. A. dontknow at what time she left, but
presume SO, that was the hour advertised.
@. Havn't you faster, when running with the
Reindeer, than you did that day with the Clayf
A. Yes, sir; l have known Mr.. Hubbard considerable
Cf sta arho nrinciDallv If all the Tina.
q. What is his reputation and standing the river
among the piotsf A. Good
O. Is he not considered of the best of the pilots
A. He is, sir; have known Capt. Tallnlan four or FIVE
years.
heard anything against it until this it always good
know Mr. Elmendorf; I have never heard anything
against his standing.
Mr. Hall did not think tia good character had any
thing to do with this charge The parties not sup
posed to have contemplated designed this disaster
they are charged with negligence and misconduct.
A discussion on the objection, and the Court
ruled that the questions were not relevant.
Witness continued-The words g we mean to bother
you" from the pilot house: am not positive who
spoke those words, but thought it Mr. Hubbard.
@ We're not the words g we don't mean to bother
A. didn't take it as such.
Q. 10 you think it was g don't want to bother you
A. don't think it was however l might possibly be
mistaken but think they the words first stated;
] saw the Henry Clay when she was run ashore.
Q. Under these circumstances, can a vessel be run
ashore sideways or diagonalyf
A. No, sir II she could the Armenia would have been
ashore aso(wness explained why it could rot be done
with safety.)
O. Suppose you were placed in the same situation with
the Henry Clay what coulc you have done?
A. don't suppose that could have done any better
than he did; Capt. Taman after the Henry Clay
was burned; he came board the Armenian the
Armenia then laying alongside the dock; Capt.
Tallman appeared to be very sick; he wanted some
place to lie down; put him into my room, and got
medicine for him. he stayed there till we came to New
York.
Cross examined by Mr.. Betts-Tbe effect of the strap
being broken was that we could not use the blower;
could not get natural draught; that makes
considerable difference in the speed of the boat
went very slow below the Highlands had scarcely
steam enough to land at Cozzens wharf did not 90
than twelve miles hour, till got blower
band fixed at Caldwelis from CaldwelPs got up
usual steam from % to so bs usual gait can't tell
how many miles an hour.
Q. How was the tide that day?
A. II was low water when the Clay went ashore we
had ebb tide and part Of another, and ood they
called favorable tides; two GIBBS and flood are the
most favora BILE could have; there sufficiently
strong breeze that day from the Highlands down. there
wasn't much above would have been in New York