The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-10-25


time Of the day it when discovered the unusual
heat, II was in the morning. between seven ana eeven
place, year before; do not know that she carried
double the steam the year BEFORE the same boat the
ticed that day discovered that the stokers fire
men, would come up very much exhausted with heat
very much indeed; noticed that several times during
the osy--three or four tlmes have two hremen
p at time very much exhausted; / did not 60
down there to try how hot it was; told they
stos ers but presume they from their dress
and black faces Q-How came you to know that9 A
From seeing the poor fellows very much exhausted with
heat; did not know Mr. Collyer un ii some one pointed
him cut to me- witness here identaed Mr.. Collyer1
him in different PARTS OF the vessel walking about
think he attending to his duties; him go from
the wheehouse TO the bow Of the main deck would
him give 10 the hands, and that the result
was the removal Of the chain boxes; did not hear what
he said but that the effect OF his orders; do not
know that the chain boxes moved by bell from the
pilot Q--Wbat did you hear Mr. Colyer say that day
Al heard Mr. colyer say to the passenger who put
his hand on his shoulder and said, "This must be
stopped 4" there Is no danger"
Cross eSamna lion Dy SIR McMahon.--I saw Captain
Talnan the day after the collision; saw him in the
stsrboard gangway Of the promenade deck he Appeared
to have Just out OF his Rtateroom on taat
deck that was the first time him. and then under
stood he the captain never saw him before have
never him since only in this court room; did not
know who he before that day Allow me to say how
knew lie Captain Talman: after the collision, man
him and said 6 How do you do, Captain ~ be
replied 60 very unwe indeed;' that's the only way
no nave o. Lu'wng ne ts ssamanss deck yery
few minutes; do not know where he went 10; SAW him
afterwards when the boat on shore and in flames ne
the beach; have no doubt he was very unwen,
fer he looked i'll indeed at the time the scowl the
pilot in the wheelhous. did not look at my watch,
but judge it was about three O'Clock when the boat
reached the shore
Q-where were you when the boat reached the shore
Al stood still until she struck the shore; was on the
promenade de- OK a when she struck did all could to
my fe the smoke in the sarboard gangway Of the
upper deck very dense indeed-very black; don't re-
member how the lsrboard deck do not think it
clear of smoke she seemed to be enveoped midships;
when the boat turned to the shore the arboard
full Of hs saos Eot 10 t1o
three persons followed me- believe some had preceded
me, but not sure at this time the wind was brisk
from the southwark, blowing up the river.
QHad you opportunity OF seeing II the pilot house
on fire at that time
A-No sir; my mind was on other things; jumped
from the deck to the main dech and then
jumped on shore.
Odd you look after your baggages Al saw man
at the bs and pointed mine out TO him. he threw
to sboIe, and took hold of it myself did not
know any of the officers that boat personally;
officers recognise Mr.. Collyer the pilot recognise,
and Mr. Tamsn recognise; I'D seen the pilot beore
that day after the fire broke out did not 60 forward
bouts the upper deck my attention was not called
to it.
Cross. examined by Mr.. Jordan.--Q-Dd understand
you that the time of the collision came aft and
pointed out Mr. Collyerf Ale had been pointed out
Mr. Coyer one Of the owners Of the boat don't know
when where that he had been pointed out; 1t
in the Of the morning; do not remember if
it after left Hudson did not know the person
him after that day; think it was in court in West
chester county; had him before him in court
here in Hanover street talking to gentlemen opposite
the catastrophe, going to New York; saw him on the
shore there don't recollect seeing him do anything
Odd you not him help the people out of the
teri A.-No did not
Q.-wha, did you dor
A-Unfortunatey, / could do nothing but help the
reone ont of the water. stood on shore and helped
them out of the water I helped them as they were
coming ashore; did not go into the water took ladies
chi hut ta hand and o1 ham Aohn n
What else did you doS Al did what humanity re-
quired.
Mr. Jordaa-Tunanity did not require you TO wet your
feet hid you notice Mr. Coilyer in the water assist
ing people and that his clothes were all wet?
Al noticed in the railway cars that his clothes were
all wet that he had evidently been in the water;
don't now what kind of hat he had on; don't know
what kind Of coat he wore; think it was dark coat
presume it was darker than buff say he dressed
generally in dark clothes did not examine his ward
robe; taely say his coat was darker than bu Mr.
Coler had whiskers pretty much as they are now do
not know who the man that pointed him out to me
presume he passenger; heard him call Mr. Coll
ysi do not know Mr.. Thomas Ridder, gentleman who
the witness from Vermont pointed Mr. Rdder Capt
Collyer.
o. should lie to know if you can tell where you
Al don't precisely remember but saw him after in
Hanover street, pointed him out to gentleman;
think saw him in court; did not see him in this
court in January last think it at White Plaas in
westchester county, where witness before the
grand jury in the Of the Henry Clay, and there
recognized Mr. Collyer don't positively that he
was there but think saw him. and knew that he was
interested as of the parties.
Q-By the JudgeWas the place the boiler, which
you was heated protected was it exposed to the
sun?
Alt was protected by the upper deck.
Charles Goodrich, examined by Mr.. Cunning, deposed
reside in Stool brdge, Massachusetts,; at present
engaged in manufacturing business; was on board the
Henry Clay at the time she destroyed:
board at Hudson and continued on board until the time
she went ashore and destroyed just before came
on board at Hudson, observed the Armenia coming
down the Athens channel hurried beard BIZ
the person at the gangway; he said, 'Come on board
gentlemen, come en- board attention was particular.
iy called 10 the fact of being hurried board after
went on board, went on the promenade Deck and oh
served the Armenia in advance Of US; noticed
thing particular until overhauled her except that at
Catsk We waited for the Armenia to leave the Dock af
Ter leaving Catsku, ! perceived that were fast ap
preaching the Armena were gaining fast en- herr the
boats came in collision the Armenia blew of steam and
stopped, and passed there manifest Excitement
all can say is the passengers, of them ladies'
asked, ''are racingsp heard remonstrance with
any o. the officers vt ALL
QWas your attention called to tina conduct Of Of
the officers at the time of the collision
Al saw but one man wbom re ,Ognized as having
anything to do with The boat; that gentleman who
afterwards az the bar observed the officers
Of the boat more particularly at the landings observed
great desire their part to make them pos
sble at the time of the collision my attention par
cuary directed to the Armen and the most observed
of the action Of the officers Of the Clay the drec
lions TO put out the Tenders and the orders to the
other side Of the boat don't know that my attention
war directed to the conduct or activity Of the officers
to their dutiesthat they active; the pilot at
the wheel house, there nothing that attracted my
attention PARTICULARLY except at the landings; the
remen at various times at the bow Of the boat they ap
pearcd to be resting.
Q-Did you hear any observation made to the rela
tive speed of the Clay and the ArmeniaY Obected to-
Mr. Cunning said he nteped prove that the Gremen
made these observations of the relative merits of the
boats and that this would show that q under
stood by the employees He contended for the proprety
and pertineDce of the evidences Ruled outl
Witness to the Judge-My attention particularly
called the noticed we poinO
very fast also noticed great trembling and apparent
labor effort the part Of the boat also noticed the
great heat which has been spoken Of in the gangway in
the passage ways, fore and aft.
To Mr. Dur ning-I did not observe any slackenng of
the speed think there at all after leaving the
Armenia the trembling and great heat continued up to
the time of the ACCIDENT did not observe the Clay let
of steam at any Of the landings that she made.
Q--Wbat means of safety, If any, did you OBJ
servo, to enable the passengers to escape in of
acci1enty Al did not observe any; after the cry
Of fire, ] did not observe any directions orders
given to the passengers by any of the officers did not
no ny q he on