The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-05-20

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and ihins q that SORT and then they ~es
tsla u the comforts Of the poor being Increased a
would be most oppressive 70 The industrious poor O. re
s-aS. (Hsar, hear The budget vas conceived 40 q
fpris directly IN favor OF England. {" No 90. Inc
tsc alton oi Ar Pitt eighty years ago VA a. true GOV
then, when he said The uniform pshey ei Eagiand
La ssen to Deprive Ireland = me use o. her osn re-
ard 70 maze ueseryiebt " e interests and
Ale opuleuce OF the Eugil IA people (issf, hear,)
That vas exactly What they we're driving az this mo
-asat. Many II he Iran members had voted most
willingly against the government this occasion.
Dor himself LIE could say that hIs vots not party
Ycta he vas MT eesirous 70 the late govern.
prpt sgain power bat at the time he saJ
tsst 20 him and very numerous party - ireland the
Going out OF any government was very inferior questos
the Circumstance OF sDy mans holding Office Or
not would for msment prevent him voting against
measure Ike the present thear, bear ie hId no
sohtt that Irish member, had voted n lsYor 81
that measure from concientious grounds Hear, ana
"oh, ohp) But sprocesdsd the honorable member
short ~ my experience IN this house has been must
say do net believe that IN the worst days 81 Inc Wal
yoles the Pehsms more seandalors corruption ex-
emruptiBg Irish members. {Confusios. aad cries CT
Shame, nameP0 am in the hSnas q the HOUSE;
vii proceed to another part Of the question No, mol
shame, namel' ard upr9ar u the enairnsn tets ne
name shall do daughter, cries Of mo, noi'' and
s-Hame namely
aerood to comgain OF the charge that mad made
but amid the noise and confusion he could not be heard
Mr. ] Bail Carlow rose and with considerable ve-
lemence ID move that the words of the Hon.
Der FOR New Ross be- taken down (Great laughter and
eyed confusion
Mr. DurYY again rose but the calls Of slyane namen
loud and incessant thai he unable to pro.
cesd.
The CHAIRMAy-I believe the motion is that this words
Of ne Hon member for New Ross be .asel down. What
are the words GREAT lauehter)
Mr.. J. BALI believe l strictly 10 order in
making the motion that the words cpion) THAI
HE words which fesh in the recollection OF every
member near me should he taken down. (tNc, no
naa uprear) aupr.bend that il is the duty the click
81 the use 10 'ake down the words. Ono, no." aud
Mr. G. IL MOORE rose but from the noise uproar and
Calls Of the Chair not word he uttered rearhed the
gallery.
Sne CHArRMAx-I appyehe1d that can take course
b committee with reference to any language What may
have been BY the honorable member It IS FOR tine
Hsass TO FAY what shall be douo Ii s therefore be my
duty, tie words taken down. 10 report Them TO the
Ar c. MOORE anc Sr j. BAIL here rose together and
both seemed 20 speak, but from the cries Of "Chair"
thes we've allowed 10 gestieulate IN dumb show At
isrgth,
the Ecce,isstcal Titles hil, similar motion to the
present proposed the Speaker hen decided that
such molten could be made. CHEERS and counter
Mr.. II scuLLY (arod cries Of Oh OH" and much CON
fusion said Isust correct that Gtement. On the
occasion referred TO- tue resker declared that the motion
would have been in order lit had been made at the time
shs words s were ~ used (a.sg, sear.} f.. y.u...
iA Duffy declines TO repeat the words will not press
nay motion for taking them down; but the words used
we're these-"fhe srossest corruption ever prsctised
sipee the days of the Wslpoles ard the pehams has
oeen pFactsed under eyes upon Irish members OF
this House" (Hear, hear
The honorable member having written 30 the above
words slip of PAPER handed them to the Chairman of
Srom the chair.
Sir D. Notwithstanding is distressing than such
as he present and appeal TO ID, honorable
{Hs&r, hear The houora bic gentleman is youyg mem
ber probably honor of the House aud of
hish members So much heart a. l have. daughter,
the serds and pu. yseiff to male Ibis aooea
IA Am nraf ran he INN tain fhaae
words convey.
The CHAIRMAN, having again read the words written
down by The hon member for Carlow, (Mr j. Ball. in
quired before putting the question: that they be taken
down by the clerk whether the hon. member for Nav
Ross inpesched their accuracy.
Mr. DuFFY-Ihe words read are to those used
that DO not take any exception to them (Chsers,
laughter. and considerable confusion
LORD kossNL-I bag 10 recall the recollection OF the
House to the circumstances in which the honorable
teran used the words complained Of and the in
when ne followed them up Clear The verbs ~ written
dow: appear to ne and believe 10 the honorable
Der himself as nearly possible the he used
de this side Of the house met with loud cries of
shame, name" (Hear, hear) Now, 1t appears to me
assertion which he had not the least OF proving
{Lear hear be might be justified in passing other
assertion affecting the integrity and honor OF Irish
bers, he ought TO ne n-mbers charged With this
gross corruption which ne Is unpa since the
ssys Of the Wapoes and the Pelhams Cheers ln.teai
q that however he took sne first and tbs immediate op
Yortunity of saving Nov vii pass to another part OF
The subject" (Hear." cries of - No." and cheers If
am wrong in this statement the honorable gentleman
viii contradict ne but understood him to say innei
Ately after there Of Name" that II the chair
by TIE desire Of tie nitec called on him
he would do But Of course t not in the power Of
the Chairman de that and then the hon gentleman
immedaey said going 10 pass cnother part of
the subject (dear, hear Such being the 1t ap-
pears that the committee in general and the Irish
members in particular consider those words
raj words used in debate whsh the hon gentleman is
Totally unable 70 prove, (chsers bropghs forward for
1hs pose Of afxing stigma irish abers which
they do not deserve epesed eheers)-ena that he is ut
tsr unable TO siusie word Of what he haa ut
tprGd xndc hAars hnevo ttsa
on the other hand Is ready with speaker in the chair
70 proceed TO charge Irish members individually with that
corruption with which he has charged them generally
then should not refuse vots favor of words be-
Ing taken down by the clerk But stand
uness the hon gentleman take that STEP con.
sioer would be better for the committee to treat .hes
word with the contempt toey deserve Qoud cheers.)
hr DuEFY then and ssd:-I should have hoped
M Bouverie that under the circumstance in which
stand now. aased "a have been he: (derisys ehears
al cries Of 0hi' from the ministerial kanehes) aad
called upon 20 give answer under circumstances wih
presume considered serous--I should have hoped
that should have been protested from such Offensive Ian
gusee haS just beer addressed 10 me ohs cheers
ard laugAter) do not think 1t credabe th,t ia an
Assembly Ct English gentlemen Goa, oh) such Ian.
G Oh and deritive cheers There two points in re
hop TO what before sad upon which wish give an
explanation One of them re late, to phrase which has
bean s~elt upon ard somewhat misunderstood. / OBJ
served that short experience Of this House
short AS my experience Of public life wasI bad seen
meant during he PERIOD have been a member Of this
Hovae Csughter from the m material side lam not 90
men at the bscs Of the Treasury bench may indulge
n their laughter wish the committee to under
stand that the phrase under my eyes" taken IL
ecnne1ion With what Immediately preceded II, meant
during the period have been member of this house
(aeAr, And laughier Yes; It meant nothing else The
ether point il this The Interpretation put upon my
words by my honorable friend the member for Meath has
led to some discussion Nov, instancnS the con
enc. Of ministers. Walpole micste- and corrupt
~ Parlia pent, ss history teL Pelham minis.
ter and corrupted Parliament a. history tells was
instaneing the corruption effected BY minister's and |
can down TO our times, and the shape gave nv
statement was that was conviction that during the
fine have been in Parliament the present government
Cd operate upon certain Irish mesabers ooh ~ laugh
ter cheers and c.ies OF - name namc,0 What wished
r. convey to the Heuse was that the kind OF in
bnence which was employed by Walpole and Pelham
seemed to me to have been employed TO influence the
votes Of certain email number Of Irish (Ctes
ct vh :" Name, snd iaushter) The noble lord Who
La called believe the leader Of this House.
proper TO say that wanted TO pass svay fror,
the subject without Offering any explanation. Now
that IL not the fact stated 20 the committed that II