The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-06-18

money Such is nov the law The property is the Bish
opshis own all the property dying men can givs him
But the Senator from the Third would associate ynen in
bis corporation How does that change it? The Pope,s
influence over aymen great It is over cergymen
That is we'll Known This will not be changed By any
change OF the devise law for the State will never prevent
from leaving the property thew have owned 70 Who
ever they choose So in reality now gives to Catho
hc cleIgymen most unlimited control over all the
property that piey gives Such ia the thing which ger
uemen in this city, now veLementy accusing him. viii
not see while they persist in charging the law which
would charge all this as great outrage. Now his law
trustee & the Catholic people 80 dsse, to hold the pro
perry as the Dutch church l. allowed to hold it. Mr..
quoted Revised Statutes, 9Th ed page 19O to show
the provisions Of law in relation to this denomination
The only thing IL the law before tho Senate is to
ussges and dic ne of the Catholic church to Be ncor
porated as nov, allowed to Du ch churches. The only
difference is the Dutch church being Presby terian,
has ministers, elders and deacons while tina Catholic
church, being Episcopal has but person. 1t is
Just question between one or several trustees. It
takes 1t but step beyond the privileges given to
Protestsnts for ages What if 1t is a close corpo-
rationF So is the Dutch consistory, which, in many
best Tbe Presbyterian churches elect their session
by vote Of the members All this bill does there
fore to tire Catholic is only what should allow to any
Protestant congregation and yet it is opposed and de-
pounced; and when learned lawyer who has done the
State good service in the revision of its attacks this
ow Is theme OF sorrow and regret Such charity not
found In the New Testament. Mr. T then analysed the
various general laws relating to religious societies show
ing that they not under the direction of the Pope of
Rome but Of the supreme court of the district Which
has The complete supervision OF all the property ex
cess OF the amount limited by these general laws the
trustees abuse trust, junction nd attachment may be
had on compsint And yet this law is declared to vest
property in the Pope. The truth is the mischief
learned civilian calls it dangerous bill But the
trustee Is the great wrong Well if Protestant church
trustee It would be granted in twipklpg 1t is tri
umphany asked why don't the Catholics meet and elect
trustee, az the Protestants do It's the old fable of the
fox and the sterk-when the feast such that one
could psrtake and not the other The equality but in
Mr.. CooIEY-Which is the stcrk in this case9
Mr. TABER-Not my biI for u is very short The Epis-
copalans have asked special law that their minister
and churchwardens should be perpetual corporation,
close corporation, and they got it the Methodiss got
what they wan'ed-so. did the Qaasers-the Shakers
Mormops did not stay long enongh in the State to
ask any thing and yet we are amazed at the auiacty of
the Catholic church, who asks 70 have srustee in
place Of three The la limits the amount Of property
but by special law the T,Eity church the Nav York
Dutch church hold large and valuable estate The law
Is denounced as plot-a conspiracy-tho Page House
It, Conspiracy got up BY poor Presbyterian to bring
iu the Pope. never spoke said Mr. T. but to cne Caho-
lie priest and liked him. for be helped me ieht for tenn
pcrance never spoke but to one Bishop and that was
to tell him could not vote for law he wished Exces-
sively misrepeseIted and abused he yet and would
the respect only of necessary to his pea of
science- bis quiet repoe-it was his aim He would do
bis dny and leave the consequences to the great Ruler
Mr.. CoNcER (dem) followed in an exposition of the
cbapees made III the ecclesiastical law by the ,dfca
tions of the common law.
Ms. Cooley reviewed the history Of the bill He had
presented the reconnaissance of thousands of Catholic
citizens against the bill first duce but he doubted
the policy Of this bill II had become habit to hold up
threats and penalties whenever any bill affecting sects
especially Catholics up. Now ne desired to saw to
Catholic and Protes tsut, Jew ard Gentle Chinese or
lsgan tfa he had bul one course to ase-an honest
hor ward one-and the threat that he should not
be allowed to come back noIe had force Many of his
best friends Catholics. He would do all that was
right 10 protect them, but he would not sct from fear
lie bad met Catholic Bishops gentlemen OF good sense,
who would not abuse any power He had been pre-
entsd TO bis Holiness the Pope, surrounded by all his
ottaDce to that He denied that there should any
elusive legislation for sects general law would be as
good for Catholic as for Protestant If the Catholic is to
have corporation of one, give it to the Protestant Az
The law was at present presented he should vote
against it.
III. VAN school, novES (whig) said the provisions of
Sr Babcock's emendmen woud establish an arbitrary
rule at which Protestant churches would rebel The bill
ha' tten attacked as vespg in the Pope of Rome the
most arbitrary power. vhe in reality, nte cent Catho-
lies ask it. 10 control the Arch B hop from using the
ceat priv leee which The law, it exists actually
g 1fers This is the open ard the ayowsd object o. the
Mr.. CoSoER-Our law relating to trusts controls that
Mr VAN scnooNHoyEN-A trust 1t is not a trust.
Pass this law and II becomes tsust and becomes sub
ect 70 our laws Gctlemen speak Of John Hughes. Ths
law don't make him trustee. IL leaves Catholics who
know their own men beet, and who, many of them,
ate jealous Ct the assumption of power, to judge
for themselves. Catholics are bound to pay taxes,
eourty il all the duties Of ctizenship Why are not the
Legislature 70 legsate for them equal la~s giving them
TIE privileges given to othes Now this trustee
If the Pope bimself appointed him, clunot ,mmit an
outrage on the people OF the State whaever the Pope
might desire ray or 90 The general Ia OF New York
would control all that and interpoe Mr. V. S. declared
thu, his ervatop Of the Catholic population led
to believe that they adverse inmicai to the
laws and institutions Of the country, and he regretted
the soIts that we're made to prejudice Protestspts
this subject Wherever the principles OF this bill
wep uncerstcoo the Intelligent Proiestants viii approve
it Excited assemblies may it, and call Il out
ee. but examination VIII only prove to be good bill.
hr. " s. rscomniantod TO Mr Tsber to take away the
snowy ohie cticu the BILL and make 1t general
dlloo nli der omr ations to have the same power.
M-. TAIER i-,tnated his intention to offer such
aDitp dniept
cock On ert, ana it struck by the follow
tfrs smith SNOW, Taber. vanderbs Vaa schoonhoyen,
NAYs-Me srs. Babcock Bartlett Beekman Clark Jones
Mel Twain, Neweonb, Wards
to a corporation sole to both Catholic and Peoes
r8nt denominations
Mr. BABcocK (whig) considered It out Of order but he
would not object, providing he would also have the prv
Il ge OF offer Us Otiers
MIR CoNGKR moved strike out the words Catholi: or
Protestant = 20 a. to appy to all denominations.
Mr. BABCccK was not 10 be Drawn into discussion
Ike proposed amendment changes the name bu. not a
feature The substance remaip-opep to all the obiec
tons The amendment Is 10 secure the votes of these
who have SAID they would vote for general bull II he
thought the Protestant congregations would itahe
would consider II fraught wib greater evil. II would
change tie long established policy OF the country
since it country. No Protestant community has
abed for it, will they use it. II all ge hear of
Jesuts, particular ORDER Of regcnists is true, this
tndment bears innate evidence of that society II
changes name, but secures the fact ID Il de vice 10
support not to bs obtained under other circum
stances.
Mr. IADEsIs the Senator from the First myself, the
Jssuitf
Mr.. BAncocK-i speak not of any Senator, but Of tho
spfs Of the amendment the effect Of the bill not being
changed in any respect.
Nr. CORNELL (dem) thought much of the tro uble mad
grown ont of the special legislation for each particular
denomination, of former days He would vote for
shy law inconsistent with the spirit OF free ins,tu
ton
(The storm and rain made the debate somewhat naud
Bile
Mr.. CosGiR's proposition to strike out the words
sea stholc aud Protestant lost by nays 10.
Ana then tEs question came on Mr. Taber's amerd.
uent exteading the authority to Protestant churches
md it adopted, as follows
Ayes-Messrs Bennett, Conger Cooley, Otis Pierce Ro
gers Smith snow, Tater, vsn sehoonhcven and wrght-