The republic. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1849-1853, 1853-03-22


Ans. It is on another road. tits on the direct
road from Guadalupe Hidalgo to Mazatlan.
CUES. When did you reside in the city of Ma
zatlan?
Ans. You mean the city Of Mazatlan on the Pa
cic coast; port they call it, and it is city ALSO
resided in the port of Mazatan from almost the
latter part of February up to about the middle of
July of the year 1896
CUES Have you ever met with George A. Card
iner, the accused at the bar oil this court? If 80,
where and when did you meet him?
| Ans met him in the port of Mazatlan in 1876.
| restaurant; we took our meals together and met
| there about the same time every day, because the
| hour of dining was about the same always.
Mr.. FENDALL. 1t was public table, suppose!
| Ans. A public table, SIR He generally came ac-
companied by two or three friends We sat down
at the same table-a common table, which 10 called
| a round table, there-mase rodonda, IN spanish.
| He spoke very freely with his friends, and they
/ spoke very freely with him. He spoke OF having
just then returned from trip up the Gull OF Cali
| fornia. think he mentioned that ne was at the
port of Guayamas. will not be very positive about
that, however; but the port of Guayamas was fire
| uuently mentioned in their conversations.
| CUES. You not sure whether ne said ne had
| been there?
| Ans. No; l think he did say 30.
By Mr.. FENDALL. That port was frequently
mentioned in conversation between his friends?
| Ans. Yes. He spoke of having taken up a small
| quantity of goods, and of having sold them He
| spoke of them as being only small amount, and
said he had sold them to advantage. He spoke of
having been pleased with his trip. They were
very lively and talkative the subject He also,
during one OF these conversations, one of these
occasions of our meeting there, manifested desire
or an intention that he had of going from the port
of Mazatan to some port in South America for the
purpose of going into kind of coasting trade.
| His opinion was that business might be done by
purchasing goods in South America and bringing
| them from there and selling them in the Mexican
ports, and continuing and establishing himself
in the trade. He said, also, and remember it
perfectly wel-he said that he had spoken of this
project to some persons in the port Of Mazatan;
will not be very certain, but think he mentioned
| the house of Mott, Talbot & Co He said, also,
that. in order to carry the business proftably,
| it might be necessary to have more funds than he
| then possessed. He said that he was going to Te-
pic, at which place he intended to speak with some
merchant there on the subject. to see if some ar
engagements could not be made to carry out the
| project he had conceived. There he manifested
| his intention of embarking from San Bias and go
ing to some port in South America. On the occa-
sion of his speaking OF going to Topic, one of his
friends said to him, Gardner, you not afraid
you being American, of travelling about in this
republic, these being troubous times?"-the war
being then about breaking out. remember these
| words distinctly. He answered that he was not
afraid; that he did not travel as an American but
| as Spanard; that his knowledge of the language
| was such that no person could know possibly from
his speaking that he Of any other country than
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mentioned this fact, and also the fact of Mr.. Gar
| diners being at the restaurant, to an intimate
| friend of mine, few momsntsafter had this con.
versation-
conversation, but don't think it interests US.
The Court. You cannot state the declarations
| of stranger. You cannot state what was said by
anybody else. ~:
said, but that he mentioned the fact few momen is
after with friend.
The CoURT. That you may do, if he gives it as
a reason why he recollects it.
| Mr.. BRADLEY. But he does not give that as a
| reason for remembering it. We don't object to
| his doing ....
Mr.. May. Do let us hear the witness first
Witness. The question was not asked me why
recollected it; what said was, that mentioned,
after the conversation took place, and also BEFORE
his being there, and his being known as an Anne
| rican. mentioned that there was an American
travelling Spaniard.
CUES. Do you state that as the reason why you
recollect it, or have you an independent recolec-
ton oft?
Ans. | state that recolect it, and there ia no
doubt on my mind that the circumstances referred
to caused me to remember it. l merely meant to
say, that mentioned the occurrence to friend-
Mr. BRADLEY. That cannot be any evidence,
suppose
bers it, then it ia not evidence. .-.. ..s
Mr.. May. Then you can state the reason why
you recollect it
Witness Why recollect what? .--
MIR. May. The conversation.
Ans. This remark of DIR. Gardeners, his travel.
ling Spaniard, his being an American, (for
understood him as such,) made very strong i'm
preston upon my mind, and often have thought
of it since. have travelled throughout greater
part OF the republic as an American
Mr.. BRADLEY. If you please, that won't do.
Mr. May. He is stating fact. (To the witness.)
Go on.
Mr.. BRADLEY. He is going on and arguing
now.
Mr.. MAY. We don't want you to argue state
the reason why you remember
Witness. These things made a strong impress
sion upon my mind, because ! had never before
known of an American travelling in Mexico as a
foreigner; l thought of it frequently. That is
about all that know of DR.. Gardiner. After see
how long-he left the port of Mazatlan, and new
err met him again until l met him on board the
steamer Trent at Vera Cruz. @>
By the CouaT. When was that?
Ars. 1t the 5th of January last.
By the DISTRICT ATTORNEY. When did he leave
the port of Mazalan; how long after this CONVEX
sation?
Ans. 1t was short time after. Icannot remem.
Der how many days-a few days. He went away
before did.
By Mr.: MAY. Can you fix the time of these in
terviews?
Ans. They took place in the month of MAY or
June of the year 1916.
Cues. You are positive about that?
| Ans. feel very confident, very confident, be-
| cause know why it was
Cues. How can you fix the dates?
Ans When first went to the port of Mazatlan
went TO French restaurant to board remained
| at that restaurant little over two months. From
there removed and went to an Italian restaurant,
| Or restaurant kept by an Italian There was
where met this DR.. Gardiner in the month of
May or June, 1916.
Cues You are not mistaken about the year?
Ans No; know the year very we'll.
CUES Are you able to refer to any letters or
papers to show it?
Ans. l have copy of a letter; rough draft of
letter.
Mr.. BRADLEY. If you have any paper let US
see it.
Witness shows paper and proceeds) I went
to Mazata in the latter part of February, 1916.
remained there two months, which l recollect
from the circumstance Of having had dispute
with with whom boarded about char ging
me board for two months.
GUS. You went to Italian restaurant?
|. dns Yes; went to an Italian restaurant kept by
man whom we called Don Caesar. That was in
May or June.
By Mr. MAY. You left Mazatlan when?
Ans. About the middle of July of the same year,
| 1876.
By Mr.. BRADLEY. You boarded at the Italians
how longs .-
4ns. Until left.
Quss. You say you never met him afterwards
| until you met him on the British packet Trent?
UntiI that time never met him