The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-08-24

lastly. . fcym Of no,e, which the Sultan
obj ofsd 70 also and which, too, was xithdrayn.
mutt say that throughout the whole Of these nesona
tons IL was matter Of satisfso,on 10 her Mo,es'ys
government that The combined fleets had not passed
The Dardanelss, berase nobody COLD say that The
TuTks had not acted in perfectly free and indepen
10 be their own interest and because all pre,exts
were taken from any power 10 say that the Turks
acted under pressure from ether governments. On
the 22d Of May Prince hensshikon left Ccnsta ntino-
pie. l have doubt that the pa >ssge read by my
noble friend from h's valeC ctory letter "a langh) s
correct and think il 1t ie correct my noble friend
designated IL rightly for such language as that -
fortunately very In diplomatic cores ondence,
and hope il wiz long remain am exception TO the
general rule (Hear) Your lordsbirs are also aware
that after Prince Me,schikoff had quilted Ccnstaoti-
nople, note wss sent by Count Nesselrode TO Red
eehd Pasba. asking him 10 accept within eight days
| the note Cf Prince Nenschiko1. Rsdsohid Pasha
| declined, although IN the Dcst Courteous man.
| ner, and then, In pursuance oY tho authority
which that letter contained, the piiHcipalities
we're occupied. ] certainly have not the least hest
| totiOn in saying we have looked upon thai as
violation Of existing treaties, Qienr) Although,
however, my noble friend blamed The government
FOR the line If eWdnct pursued by them upon the oc
Cupatop al the prncpalities, do not intend nov to
eDier upon defence OF that part Of policy for
sense OF public duty does not permit me 10 % 20. we
might certainly have recommended the sultan 70
have acted upon that which was unqseshonab!y
eassss 6eyi. (Htar, hesr) l have not the least
doubt that we might we had thought proper. adj
vssd the SnRan to treat the occupation Of the prnci
pahties as eas,as De Ito ssspend existing treaties,
and ark for our protection. We did not, however,
think II advisable TO do s0-nos because We did not
consider IL TO be castAs bskI, Tut because We
thought it was Incumbent upon us in the irst place
70 do all that in as 10y to avoid the chances of war
(hear) and We thought, having TO appeal 10 the
people Of this country that we should not come with
good grace TO them. unless we could show that we
an honorable peace. (Hear) It was upon these
grounds taf, upon the mere occupation OF the prn-
cipates, DID not recommend 10 the Sultan to eS-
eTcise his undOuDted and unq1esuonabie right or
reatDg that act, az it was, as an act OF war.
And in this must beg 10 say that, throughout the
whole Of the negotiations although did not alllde
to the joint action Of the French government must
beg your lordshps to VI derstand that Ia nothing
have we taken step without consulting the Froach
government. (Hear) There bavc been negot A.
lions almost daily; by Dispatches or by telegraph,
questions have been asked and answers Immediately
sent, in order that there ehorld not exist any var.
ton OF policy; and In nothing was the French gov
eminent more united with Is than in net considering
this as a ca sps 6eHi Moreover, we found that the
n,tructicns we sent to cur Ambassador at ConstGn-
tinope to this effect crossed the dispatches which
were afterwards received from my noble frieod,
stating that such had been the view of the Porte,
and that such had been the advice he had given to
pa cd to enter Into this question fully az have
been lad to do by the speech Of my noble friend (the
Earl OF MAIN esbury,) but still have been most de-
srous TO put your lordsbps as far as can m posses
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and the country at hrge must be anxious to pos.
fess. Although negotiations are still pending will
hesitate to state TO your lorishps by what steps
| those negotiations have arrived at their present
stage and whatisther present position and au sure
| when l do so, my noble friend must be at once con-
WINGED, looking 70 the fOrbearancc and moderation
| which he has hitherto exercised and bearing in
mind that he is aware from late experience of the
extent OF ministerial responsibility in these matters
am sure say he will understand that more full
discussion OF such matters will not be desirable
Ii ives after the note OF C0an, NGsserode had been
rejected BY the Porte and after the prncalities had
been occupied that the opportunity seemed then to
have arisen when mutual friends treat The mat
ter as having entered into new phase. Il had then
certainly, by the occupation Of this portion of the
Turkish territory, and in cOntrayeuton of existing
treaties, assumed European character, which inn
posed upon other powers the necessity of interfering
10 some way other to put end 70 such state OF
things. The mediation Of Austria was offai ed.
Whether II asked for or not, offered without
being asked for, don't exactly know; only know il
was acted upon. The Austrian government made
most fair and reasonable proposition, saying 70 the
Porte: you have rejected this note; fGrnish with
such note we may send to st. Petersburg-so
thing which shall be safe TO you, and not unaccepta
bic to the Emperor OF Russia. Furnish with such
. note az that ard we will agree 10 send il to ST
Petersburg ard support it when there" a minis
eral crisis and other causes, which at this moment
am unable 20 explain, caused delay at Constanti-
nOple, and the Austrian government foresesing the
very great dangers that would arise from delay, call
ed together the representatives OF the other powers
the ministers of France England, and prussa--and
proposed TO take basis the note which had origin
ated with the French government, which, with some
slabt notifications, they proposed should he Laid
before tie governments Of the Emperor and the Sui
tan as means of settling the differences. These
notifications were, III the first instance, referred 10
London and 10 Paris. They were approved by her
Majesty's government aud by the French govern
ment and The note was sent 10 81 Petersburg and TO
COnstantinople on the second OF this month. The
Russian minister at Vienna bad meanwhile trans
n6tcG tie substance Of this note to his court. where
it VAS well received, and on the Sd Of this month
Geographic message was sent irOm st. Petersburg TO
Vienna announcing that that note met the Emperors
views and would be accepted by him ii it met with
the views OF the Sultan. Since that time /
have heard this morning that Count Nesselrode
has made 10 Sir Hamilton Seymour an official
communication that that note would De duly accept
Cd by the Emperor. (llear) As this note, slightiy
modified, no d0abt, originating az 1t did with the
French government, contains nothing derogatory TO
the dignity or 10 the independence OF the Porte,
no difficulty in accepting il. Your lordships
will see, without gong into more details upon the
subjects which my noble friend has brought under
your notice, have endeavOred to place your lord
ships in possession Of the information which Ia most
important IN this matter. You will now see that, a.
though these negotiations may he certainly said TO
be brought 10 the point OF satisfactory conclusion,
they are st pondng, and therefore my object, and
that Of her Maestys government is, while these ne
gotiations pending-while, therefore, there il o
risk Of their not coming 70 the satisfactory coneu
sion which all hope for-to abstain from more fun
discussion Of This subject 10 abstain from laying be-
fore your lordships any papers-incuding perhaps
the papers moved for by my noble friead-to alb
stain, in fact, from doing or saying anything which
might endsDger the solution which. AZ said before
] am sure your lcrdships feel the government de.
sire. (Hear, hesr.)
Lord BEAUMONT expressed bis dissatisfaction ~
Lord CarendoB's statement and wished that the
government hnd acted more vigorously 10 the East
ern crisis.
The Earl Of HARDwIcKE complained that the gov
ernmept had not afforded much insgh. into The state
OF affairs.
Tho Marquis OF CrAHRrcARDg thought the state
ment favorable as afordng prospect Of pescea-
bic termination OF the question.
Lord ELLLEBoaogGE regarded the position OF
affairs with great apprehension, but did not see how
porstration.
The Earl OF ABERDEEN after admitting Tho. in
the present state of affairs il wss natural for noble