The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1853-12-12

meaning drink together and asking IL he had
Q Where did you go to when you left New York; A.
To Hartford, Ccpnectcut; urped 10 Buffalo about
week ago; eie not hear from asy OF these d-fsnd,ats
coming to Nes York
At this stage of the proceedings the court adjourned
until three O'Clock ON Friday afternoon.
FRIDAY. Dec 9-Jabsz l. INSTRUMENTATION c,uti.
nHed.-The magistrate exhibited to tbs witness shset
Of drafts called the Brooke crafts introduced In the
vious proceedings Witness sersuI have drafts
similar to those but don't recognize the drafts
shown me saw similar draft at my Office in Buffalo.
and half dozen in Van Asrnam's room tho time
the Hamilton Exchange Bank drafts filed up; oa't
remtmber that saw other drafts 1T that time except
the ones have mentioned
Mansion house, any individual drafts OF AbeR A.
Yes 'r they wore in blank; the Brooke drafts all
Q. We're not Of Abels individual drafts filed up
on that OCCASION on an Albany City Bank, and not on
O. Do you know that in July last Van Asrnam and
Sawn agreed to and utter in Canada OF those
drafts that Van AerDam won't to Canada sith o.
those crafts and failed to nsg tats them and returned
and reported progress2 A. ! know that Van Asrnsm
into Canada sometime in the summer and returned
but ad not know that he went with this paper; he said
Q Do you not know that he vent in pursuance OF an
erstsndng between him and Mr.. Sawin9 A. Mr.. Van
Aernam told n be was going, and did Mr. sawin.
Q. Did Ssvin tell you that Van Asrnam going to
raise money! Did not Mr. S:wiH tell you that he had
him letter to Mr.. Titus in Cansdaf A. No, sir.
from Canada relative his business there9 A. spoke
to him his return, but not particularly about his bust
ness but about having been there he said he did net
get any money
Q Did you understand from him that he intended to
return again to Car ada for the prrpose2 A. Ye,
SIR he said he going to get money drafts
Esht New York supposed; had believe
that tie money to be obtained ths Brooke drafts;
saw him az lin his return the second time from Ca
NADIA; i know rom Sawin that he (SAwin) knew Van
Aerpam tecond into Canada bnt he did not tell
m. the business he went upon that recoec Sa vim did
IL me w No Of aDer poaed 70
raise ney in Canada; Sawi8 and myself talk.
ing together asout Van Aernams going Canada to sse
O. Die Van Aernsm you and sawn talking together
Immediately after his second return from CAn&eAY A.
He Jaw at his htore don't know that he alone;
the matter Of his Canada trip matter Of converse
ten between part of the time he said lie tried to
rsiss money on the Ham iitcn, At Brantford
Q Do you swear that you don't know what
securities Van Aenam iid to raise money on CansdA,
either OF the trips spoken OFF A. don't know, sir
and never heard eitf er o. them say.
Q Did not Van Asrnam report to you and Sawn his
return from bis second Tip that he could not negotiate
any individual drafts he bans Of the States that
he could have sold any State bank sight drxft any
other bank and they would be glad to have them and
that the agent of the Branch Bank Of Montreal ct Bant
ford would be glad to do such paper anything to that
effect? A. No, sir.
O. Look at the letter marked exhibit No IL purportng
to be letter to the Agent of the Bank OF Montreal
signed by Van Aerman and say in whose handwriting the
body Of the letter .ppearsf The dae Of this letter Of
October H. and would not be anterior to the time Van
AeInam is raid to have obtained the DOOR A. Yes sir
think so.
GEO. die lie not to that he could have nsgo
sted the other two dratsf A. He stated to that
uld have raised what money hs wanted; but old not
state on what securities; dent know Sawin was pre-
s.nt.
Q Don't you know it WAS . matter Of discussion be-
tween Van AerIam and SAwin that Vsn Aernam should
return fourth time into Canada and negotiate these
Hamilton crafts also, some Of the Absl ani Brooke
paper, any of these yapers' A. heard Mr.. Van Asr
ray that be had talked with Mr. sswin about It, and
about sending over some other paper
O. DO you know man named HopPy Young of Buff
A.. /
with him; be is blackeg so have been informed
also msn man nasun0a IN M . "
harrington
PoRr DOVER. Oct Ii, 1853
s.Lnelsssd send you two drafts for eight thousand dol
esnn:t % shs shols d WIZ; snsio.:
Sas a sHs to Il %
well. Yours, truly D. W VAN AERNAA
this letter or day or two after to have met Hoppy
Young somewhere in 6uialo, at the steamboat
LANDING, on his return frors Canada? A No, sir.
Q. 10 you know from Sawn or Van Aernaua, or any
other manner that determined to send these drafts
enclosed in this letter to Mr. Greer by the hands Of
YouIs? A. MIR. Van Asrnam tod me tlat he had sent
some paper enclosed in letter. to the agent OF the bank
I. CsIaa.
Q What else did he tel you about that matter A.
BIN directions how go: it during Youngs absence
md the same day. think that Young left; he told me
this in the street it not in Sa wins store; after
Youpgs return from Canada, Van Aernam told that
Young could not get any money when he vent he told
me this should think, the next ay; Van Aernam told
that he had of BrnoAss paper So 600
draft of Abes; when ths drafts filled up in Van
AesIsm's room, with John W. Abes signature cash
er, supposed Abel not the cashier; don't know
the opinion of Sawin and Van Aerbam that point
an not per onsly acquainted with tts cashier OF the
Troy City Banh If.ow him by reputation; have
collection ofa Bank Detor lyrg on he tsbl. waen in
Vsn Aerl am g room but have remembrance OF hav
ing written my name on it. or referred 10 1t for filing up
the drafts
Q. We're you not requested by Sawn and Van Aernan
both on account Of your better abity to fill those
draftp and which you declined do. Yes sie that
after of them had been filled up by Sawn bat did
not say IT WAS improperly done.
@ Was ros The name of Van A.rnam in the body OF
al the drafts purposely nisspelled by SAwinS A. Not
| that know OF.
| O. Look at the S. 600 draft as compared with the
other drafts which yon ray filed up At Van Aer
nams ard say from your recollection aud from
the face respective papers themselves whether
not,hat filled up the timer A. Ishouii
think irem the ink t. at it must have been filled up
wher. beside the
Doyou not know that this S. 900 draft was filed up
in Van AeTnam's well 81 the other two which
you say wereg A No sir.
Was not the question Of filing up these bank drafts
the bond fde signature of real person would be
forgery If ration the meeting in Van
AeyT ans rtom9 A. No, tir
q DO you not know that legal advice was taken upon
that matter by OF the three there assembled?
A. MIR Van Aernsm think ntimared that he had taken
advice rega that but that done after his return
{ ON Canada I .e last time.
Have you taken advice respecting the 81 ing up
of these drafts under such circumstances, without
ferrpg to these particular papers, If they would cont
tute forgery A. No. sir; never told third party
After you declined to nil up these drafts request
ed by in and Van Aernsm cid you not write out he
form and manner in which they should be FLEA up from
vhish Sawn copied and which you afterwards tore ato
pieces and left laying the table, A. think may
have written some ains to that effect was writing
the Die at the time but do not recolect tearing
paper.
Q. Did you not object to the manner in which one of
Abels individual drafts upon Albany bank was drawn,
because when addressed to the cashier, that word
written cut in full instead Of abbreviated and said that
the bank dIafs must be careful to b. allied up
without w1iig ort the word "cashier' in fall,
but 10 make it 'cath" with careless running dash,
10 lieu OF the letters Ter, which done in the bank
drafts except the FIRST aed up by sswn A. Idon't
recoect of directing any of the papers made out them
it ray have happened
O. Do you not know tina the draft ads on u
Troy q Bank for the porpose Of delay ing thu time OF
the fcoveIirg Of the tranef Did you not advise this
osnk. instead Of New York city bnsp A. Van
asked what bank these crafts could be drawn
~ Lo 10 have them directly to New York Ito' bin
he could draw benl outside Of the city. He ask
cd me what bsnk and red the Troy titv Bank.
O. Did not Van Asrnam suggest Albany. and for