The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1853-04-12


mig hi be proposed wish, II can 70 test tue sense o.
the Senate in regard to this nallef we have commit
tees al all during the recess admit thal We oush =
have this one. Bat DO not lhihh VIC ouS"' " "
such committees at all. .tt...
Mr. BUTLER made lew remarks upon lhis pop
Ositon the other daytTom 40 aversion however 70 any
investigation in this case, but from The belei that hs
an unconstitutional mode oil proceeding NOW, ~ tue
Senate create tribunal for The Invesa aon oil ins a
Ter, what will be the result oil ~ we oaIo. ipea.
this individual we cannot dismiss the charge agdnr
bim we may pronounce oensure upon MN, anu 10 tna
extent Judgment Now, il this proceeding ana an ma
the committee may or should do were 10 DC ieni0u -
The House OF Representatives, could understand iha'
there was some purpose Ia view Now, know nothinS
about Ramsay, any OF the parties connected mitn w
matter. Now, II he is delinquent, ne shoulu ue pun,
shed by Impeachment IN the otier House. because ~
the Senate TO undertake investigation OF TINS KIND ~
this way nvenng everything like usage anu VIVA. Is
contemplated by the constitution 10 proceeding asan0 =
elmo officer This matter ought 70 De originated py
The House of Representatives III al is my reason o Oh
ecling TO this mode OF proceeding; not from auy ooJee
ion the investigation, Tor have none. =. o.,
MIR SEBAS rlAN | have only 10 say lEai the LON
niittee on Indian Affairs had no agency Whatever W e
starting this investigation. The motion by when lh's
duty was devolved upon the committee came IRON a
member OF this body who IN no way connected win
that committee In OF our proceeding ana III
vestga,ion We have found The task imposed upon US 10
be very unenvabie one at best ana waoevea sun IA
have charge OF this matter will am sure nave no pea
OF roses to repose upon We also found IN ms case
difficulty in proceeding with this investigation efficiently
and i, was Impossible retreat without compromising Inc
character OF the Senate, and showing disposition ~
avoid bringing supposed deinquencies 10 lghl.
Now in view OF the consideration 10 winch adVefted
when | submitted the motion before. now renew lhe
motion lay this resolution upon The table, WIN view
OF then asking that The Committee on Indian anats pe
discharged IRON the further consideration OF ms SUD
leCt . = ..,@ ~ al
Mr. MALLORY. II the honorable senator will with.
draw his motion for moment will renew II Tor him
Mr. SEBASTIAN | viii do SO -,
Toe motion TO lay upon the liable was accordingly WIN
drawn. :,
MIR. MALLORY made some slight opposition The
other day the appointment OF member OF me oomn-
lee on Indian Affairs sub committee, ana gave ny
reasons for dong so had objection to The investl-
CATION proposed hete-none whatever. | could nave
none for knew nothing Of the merits OF the case II
was enough for that The Committee on Indian Affairs
believed that fraud had been committed 10 desire 20
nave the matter Investigated My opposlioh 70 'he
proposed, however, arose purely from cohVc
ton tina, this mode OF proceeding would not only In IN.
end be Intellectual but would int feTe with the OBJECT 81
The Committee Indian Affairs proof OF ihi- Wonid
the TACT that OF our standing comhiees au
ring the session OF the Senate, was Obliged 10 aiiec ts
chairman 10 gepo To the Senate that witness IN Inc
city OF Washington refusing 10 testify they found then
selves unable 10 compel him 10 answer the iheIfosao
es put MIN, and were therefore Obliged 10 appear 10
the Senate for authority 10 do All the time oet"een
now the session OF Congress may De expended
~ this way, proving what have Just stated anu VIVA
already know.
now renew the motion TO lay this resolution upon
he table, in pursuance of my promise TO Tue senator from
Mr. CHASE Will the honorable senator from Fori-
da MIR. MALLoRYl withdraw that motion Tor mo
ment ~ ;,
ator from Arkansas Mr.. SEBASTIAN VIII consent.
cannot do il without his consent
Mr. CHASE. Then, trus, the senator from Arkan-
will to ths motion being Withdrawn Tor mo-
meni | will renew II again.
SENATOR Oh no persist IN the motion, ana lei US
have done with this matter
Mr.. SEBASTIAN. | cannot give my consent, am
sorry 10 say to the withdrawal oil this notion wish
take the OF the Senate upon thus subject and pu
stop 10 the discussion.
The question being Then taken upon laying Inc resolu-
lion upon the table, IL was agreed TO.
Mr.. SEBASTIAN. | now ask leave OF the Senate 10
allow make report from the Committee on Indian
Affairs, asking be discharged from the luther consd.
Grafton OF this subject order that The Senate may tnen
take such steps as they may deem necessary.
Mr.. CHASE wish TO say word or two IN refer
to The which felt IL my duty 10 pursue 40
regard the esoiulion jus, laid upon the table The
honorable senator iron Arkansas talr sEBAsrAS has
expressed that opposition should have been
made TO that particular resolution. was one OF those
who united IN that opposition And gTatthed, Tor
one that the senator from Virginia sr husTER thought
II his duty TO oppose pTacuce winch has been com
meDced IN the Senate oil appointing these special com
mlItees TO sit during the recess. have uniformly
opposed any such appointments II was Tor that reason
and not IRON any especial objection TO this
that have opposed the delegation OF the power OF
committee to a single member of that committee, 10 be
exercised during the recess have not believed that
IN The power OF any committee to do such thing
have believed that II was IN the power oil the Sen
ale TO confer snch power upon the committee there
fore opposed the pTopositon-not from any objection to
the nvesug aton but from belief that the power 10 ere
ATE that authority to be exercised by the committee did
not exist and because think the practice which has
been Of appointing these special committees
Is bad one, and ought 10 be discontinued.
SO lar The proposition 10 discharge The Committee on
Indian Affairs from the further consder ration OF this sub
Jec is concerned would suggest that at the expiration
OF this extra all that committees power would
expire therefore do moi the necessity Tor bs mo-
ton have, however, objection 10 such course be-
ing taken II II be deemed desirable.
MT PHELPS. desire, before leave rs granted Tor
this report from the Committee on Indian Affairs, 10 IN
uure how this subject be under the consideration
OF that committee. II would hardly be worth while TO
matter unless by vote of the Senate they had been
desired 10 Jake charge OF II.
Mr. WALKER. The subject was referred 10 thai
committee by a vote OF This body.
Mr. MASON. | would Inquire II this subec. was re-
ferred 10 the Committee Indian Affairs duIng The ses.
sion of Congress that has Just closed
Mr. SEBAS rIAN. TWAS
Mr. MASON. | would also inquire il il has been re.
etred TO the committee duag the present extra session
OF the Senate
Mr. SEBASTIAN. 1t has been
The question being then taken upon the motion OF
Mr. SEBASTIAN for leave to make report from the Com
mittee Indian Affairs agreed to, and leave was
according y granted
Mr. SEBASTIAN | am instructed by the Committee
Indian Affairs to report back the resolution referred 10
them in relation TO the investigation of the charges OF
fraud made against Gov. Ramsay, 10 relation TO tie In
dams IN Minnesota, and ask that the committee be dis
cnarged from The further consideration of the subject
The question being then ,aken the report OF The
miee agreed TO- and the committee ofdingy
cbarged from any further Consideration oil said fesou
ton.
MONDAY, APRIL II, 1883.