New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1853-05-06


Wines III DO produce il, wi b. allowed 10 eApl'a
Paper shown.
Mr. Capp-I carno, see how this is voucher
Nfness-liis only memoraoaum which nave 'o' '"s
voucher
Of names procured by hr Cozzens he alleges and the
anoun 81 their subscription $500 and the back OF II =
Endorsed s2o and under the $40 Is Received payment y
Wright This j. Wrghti IS the young man who procured
these subscribers and the person to whom the money was
paid.
The Chairman considered thst the witness should be Al
lowed 10 90 on in his 20 explain the matter
Mr. Fuerton-I thought had the cross examination OF
the witness and that could pursue my course, with
out being diverted from by the introduction Of Irrelevant
The Chairman These explanations must come cut some
Mr.. Fulerton-wel; won't interfere lie: him go on.
Winess-This paper which hold in my hand, Is in the
hand writing of Abram Cozzens and contains the names OF
some who were members OF the Art Union IN 1850 or 81
the number opposite each indicates the number OF
their certificate commencing with 1850 and ending AZ 800
both MN bers included; Mr. CozLeBs had previously re-
ceved from til certificates in blank as the agent OF
the Institution and, in receiving those names from hr'
COzzens for the purpose OF entering ihe IA the reSeE
Mr. Fulerton-I do not want This
Wrness-I know you don't but want to tell it, and
will tell IT,
ton put, and only losing time.
Here another discussion took place to whether the
witness should be allowed to proceed IN MS own way OF An
swering the questions put the Chairman Considering NV
he should great latitude allowed counsel and Mr.
Fullerton holding that TOO much latitude was allowed the
witness
Witness-when the names entered II being &C
courtste for the names and al subscriptions entered ON
the book Mr. Cozzens came 20 me about the money ne
handed me SIS IN cash. and the reason h. gave Tor nor CAV
NO me the balance was thar be hsd not collected the money
from those whose GU the list he also NJ the
same time gave me due bill for SlO5 making up the de-
deficiency IN the amount after having oeOUcteu the cum
Q-Read what is on the back of the paper
Nips.s-Yes >ir Say 40 shares at - each 5000 Jas
S.o l. = Ill tho : 4 viii
raid me in e. sh leaving balance OF sos, for when ne
gave a bl made the $50 and then the $50 commission
made $500 the amount of the subscription OF the - names
Mr Cozzns did then account for forty subscribers he
before that had accounted for some of them cannot ny
nos how many it appears, however by thai list he did,
and suppose he must have done So but VIII ferret our
and know how it was want to harmonze my answer
the letters Com" the back OF the paper opposite the
$50 mean commission; the commission al tue laer END OF
the year 10, and IN the beginning OF the year 10 per
o. want to know Is that $40 10 per cent the lowest
commission charged
Wimess-I wish to say | want to all questions
fairly and squartly but when am cOrnered in this way
may say things 60 not intend.
Chaiiman-Neyer mind that proceed to answer the
Q-WIat means the name of James H. Wright orwhat
brought there! -, 49,. -,
AIR Cozzens directed me to charge tins go 10 ames
II Wright who clerk IN his employ made the
entry according H. Mr. Cozzess directions but dd not
know Wright il, the transaction at all
O-Is this not the Sl- that you spoke Of yesterday!
Win.s,-N ell DO not know whether II Is or not am
so cornered by counsel want be on fair ground but
cant explain there may be another SIS OF winch know
nothing now; had blank tickets TO sell belonging 10 inc
Institution and Mr. Cozlens volunteered To get those tex
es "a without compensation ~,
MIR Fulleron-Ihis IS not answering the question Did
Won nav MIR Cozzeus SIS or so
9'ss ~ aunwedi, 10 him and that's the same II a
fair and square transaction entered " On the day BOOK
A. paid TO right by the directions Of M Cozzeus the
vay paid Mr. Cozzens that he gave me eleo when
was les go Of the S2CO the full amount OF the tickets
Odd Mr. Cozzens ever receive az any other time com
missions on subscribers he procured
A. Not that now recolect do know that Mr. Cozzens
rrocur.d subscribers for the institution without charging
q bid not Mr. Cczzens bring large number Of sub
,crers that light he paid you this money from the cub OF
which he is member or the morning ai'er ne gave you
that paper containing the list Of the forty subscribers
Wines do not think he did for / consider ne ex
hausted AL his year before them Twas present
be eiins in 1880 when stated that the seven retiring
members were elected at railroad speed
Q-Were you present when the question was put 10 10
elect the seven retiring members!
No sir | was not nor never swOre was and by re-
curing my testimony you will md so was III the
room of the Art Union, onmy wayto the meeting al 't
O-Why did you say that there not no. heard in
the assembly, that there was not time Tor "a no 10 Dc
Al said ithad been charged but did not state posi-
tvey cannot say what time arrived at that meeting
but old In time take active part in the distribution
said before that it arranged previous TO the annual
elections who would be elected this arrangement was
made by portion Of the Committee of Management
know this arrangement was made heard III was IN an
adjoining room that in whichthe arrangement was made
with the door open and could hear what was going on
O-Were you PRESENT. .
E-Yes; | was present may say, but am unable to
state who were the members that made these Arrangements
a. did not keep list of the names but can mention
more III IN one name do not want you to understand that
listened il twas common talk.
Mr. Fulerton-Surey this is not answering my question
submit that this witness should be Obliged to conhne nun
self 20 answering the questions put
WnessI have right to speak well as the paid coun-
Eel of these conspiratOr and want to be heard have
I right TO explain.
OWN you mention the names of those persons who
were then present! . q,
! AThere were SO many times which they met that |
cannot say heard Mr. COzzens speak IN relation TO the
election Of members as also COlWarner and W. Austen
these are all recoect being present at such consuta
/ lions.
OMention any particular time at which you overheard
the arrangements spoken Of -. ,
cannot give the particular dates the conversations on ina
subject were frequent; they were every year thn< 50
/ at east-almOst every year
Al think such conversations occurred from the year
ls4s 10 ls5l inclusive and have NO doubt OF II IN my
mind but Gu lily by saying tanki m 1871 the Com
nitte As think were anxious get g. A. Stetson, OF the
AstOr House 10 member, 20 nc had some nnu
ence but Mr. SetsOn refused TO serve as he had met with
dome tic calamity and went 70 Europe heard this from
MIR Cozzens think can say heard these arrangements
made every wear there secret IN THIS Det"eeh e
and the Committee OF these arrange nen ana every az
rapgement the Committee made " ~ carried out ana the
election arrangements also carried out Mr. SetsOn
was not M this time member of the Go nmittee.
O. State how the arrangements were m~de a' u 'u'
reelection Of the seven retiring members
Al cannot state any particular Srangsmep' Du. 'u'
general was always carried out TO have then
. elected.
O-Wbat was the general arrangement
Cbarman-I think he stated that before We need no
% gnnt think stated that Sir; the general arrange