The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1852-04-23

lest contradiction The amendment provides that The in
creased service from the FIRST OF January 1861 shall be
the rate OF $4,000 per trip in lieu OF The present allow
ance and also appropriaes the of $3.50 $780, in ad
diuon TO what IS already provided Now. the addition OF
The sum oil x23b50O 10 1885,. 000 the amount key now
receive makes fraction $62O,O00 per annum Bu
weny-s rps al S33 900 per uIp would be 1855 900
year. which they wonid get for This service But take
either sum. the higher the lower seems 10 me- thai
there is no good reason for granting il in this BILL and al
this time. Nor do believe that Il can be justified 6y
sound policy or Justice al any time.
Sir we are Told that this is grand enterprise in which
the credit OF the nation concerned On the one hand
we are assured that these individuals keep up this
contest without further aid from the because
the British government gives greater support 10 the
Cunard line; and the other hand, assured thar
II has already brought in hostages enough to pay u.s.
understand the honorable senator from California 10 con-
tend that the Collins line has already brought in hostages
enough TO compensate for what we have paid for it, In
Short we are told that, according 10 fair calculation
thas lar the line has not cent Now, propose
TO look little into that matter.
Mr.. GWIN. stated that the posiages received under
the postal treaty-whch the result Of The policy OF
establishing these steam nesino the national treasury
had exceeded our expenditures for The Collins line,
MIR. HUNTER Then understand that The senator
IRON California does not maintain that the Collins line
has brough, 70 as much as we have expended on it.
received--boh by the Cunard and Collins lines, since
The postal treatyexceeded the amount paid for the Col
Inns line.
do with the question before The amount of money
that we receive under the postal treaty, and from the
Cunard line, has nothing TO do with the question
what the Collins line brings how far il is calculated
Mr.. GW!N, Il is a part Of the same policy
Mr.. HUNTER. We charge every letter brought
every letter brought by the Collins line is ali thai 10
be given to the credit OF share in this grand national
enterprise Why, il we had had no postal treaiyf we
had had no steam Internationally should have
made charge for this island postage upon letters brought
here by the Cunarders Now, II you want TO what
il is that the Collins line have brought into u.s. and what
i is that we have expended let us look at the report Of
the Post Office Department
In the first place. had to make an advance, think
Of something like $aso,0oO 10 enable the company TO
build me ships IN the next place we have given them
$685. 900 year Tor twenty trips That is something like
$4,000 trip Now, how can it be said that the Eng
sh have given better support, and larger support, 10
The Clnard line than we have given to the Collins line
That is one OF the grounds upon which this appropia-
lion is invoked Why, is found that the English have
given, Tor hftytwo trips, sum- stated by the char
man OF the Committee the Post Office and Post Roads.
Mr.. RUSK Six hundred and ninety six thousand lol-
The English give the Cunard line less than $l4 O0o and
We give The Collins line about $4,000 trip; vel the
Collins line in here for assistance II pro-
posed to give Mr. Collins $4,000 trip to enable him
Mr.. RUSK. presume the honorable senator does not
wish be mistaken He has referred 10 me for one OF
his statements, and hope he will allow to correct
him on that point The annual pay, according 10 the last
accounts have seenand understand il is from es.i
mate OF the admirayof the Cunard line, $69j, 900
TO arrive, however at the conclusion 10 which the hon
orabe senator does, that make larger payment 10
the Collins line than the English government does to the
Cunard line he includes the advance as he chooses to
term it, by this government OF 1885 900 TO the Collins
line
Mr.. HUNTER. We pay them that amount annually
MIR. RUSk But understand the senator 10 include
the $3.50 200 }e9 given as an advance, as he called it
MIR. HUNTER. stated that fact
Mr.. RUSk Yes, sir; and wish to put the senator
right about Il. The advance was made by acl OF Con-
gress TO enable them to complete their ships. The
1886 900 10 be paid back the in
nua instamsnts Of ten per cent with six per cent in
erest the and there has been paid hack under
the sum OF S77.5O
Mr.. HUNTER. That does not alter the main state
ment upon which relied in the comparison. We give
them $4,000 year for twenty trips. That is
pensaion OF something like $40 1000 Trip This
ment has reference TO any heretofore advanced
TO them, and say that IL is larger compensation per
trip than the English give 10 the Cunad steamships and
yet, notwithstanding that, II is now proposed 10 give
them S33 900 irp-a great deal than twice what
is appropriated by the British government TO the Cunard
ers per trip.
But sir the statement has been made elsewhere If not
here, (for have bad appeals made to me upon that
ground that the Collins steamers were bringing enough
very nearly enough, nthe shape OF hostages TO
pensate the government for wha, had been expended
upon them Let us see how that is: Here is state.
ment, given TO by the Post Office Department, of the
amount of hostages brought in by the Collins line from
the 9th OF April $780, TO the 3lso March, 1884, which
is period OF very nearly Two years The amount thus
brought in has been S373,337 and il is 10 be observed
that OF this sum, 1878 3J7 the Collins line itself only
brought in wo.thrds Upon every letter twenty -four
cents charged, OF which the British government re.
ceves three cents for inland POSTAGE the United States
receives FIVE cents for inland postage and sixteen
left 60 to the OF The steamers only two
thirds OF twenty -four cents Therefore, all that be
justly properly credited the Collins line is iwohirds
OF the amount oil S373,237, with certain exceptions 10
which | come. One is, the newspaper postage,
which amounts 10 si6,s5s. That is as far as can
certain, the entire amount OF the newspaper postage
and Bremen. and The Cunard line and that is the entire
amount which we receive not only for the postage,
but for the inland postage newspapers Therefore.
the whole amount OF this newspaper postage is not and
cannot be, properly credit to the Collins line. How
much should be credited to them ! suppose man is
prepared to say-cerainly not half the amount have
endeavored to ascertain at the department bow much OF
II fairly 10 be credited TO the Collins line, but have
not been able 10 do so.
The next item for which perhaps credit may be claimed
is The balance Of the closed mails. se0.l5O portion oI
this is a credit the Collins line but believe that far
the larger portion OF il should be credit Them These
closed mails for this purpose The British allowed
send closed mail through TO their provinces, from
New York and Boston, many cents per ounce They
are aso allowed send closed mail by our steamer
from New York 10 the West Indies. This amount OF
500 IA the aggregate that received for sending all
the closed mails Observe, also, these closed mails are
not brought by the Collins line only but also brought
by the Cunard line Some by the Bremen and svre
lines, that Is impossible 10 tell what proportion OF
this property belongs TO the credit OF the Collins line
probably not one bali OF it,
Bot IL you will take the whole OF these items for
closed mails, and for newspapers and aid them two
thirds of 1878 1897 received from hostages by the Collins
ne within period Of nearly two years, you would still
have a vastly under what we have given them by