The daily union., 1852-12-09

ion, deyoyes upon them 10 determine the retpro !,
election and the qua hcation OF individuals who ~ "
for seats in this body. This is preliminary 1ns
which must be met and submit 10 the Senate M y y
would be better 10 refer IL 10 select committee Ia d,
NINE the question directly. whether Mr Meriwel6e .
or IS mol senator. That will determine whether I6
Is or - not vacancy, Mr. MeriweiheT cannot AZ eon
vote upon any question IN which he is nleTesaJ 80
prehend thar he would now be entitled prima III,
vote apon any question except such as he was pIee
from by ihis parliamentary principle, / think ihers
the preliminary question must be referred Ia d conmi
whether there Is vacancy; and in determining n.y.,
question determine whether the honorable genl' w
is now a senator or not ""R
Mr.. GWIN La order 10 meet the diiHcu, : a.
resolution, which send 70 the Chair. ''''s
The PRESIDENT. The Chair is ndner tbe ina.
sion that the question pending being ala amendment n
resolution, II cannot be received. "s
Mr.. BADGER | think there is some lallae, 4,
President ia the views suggested by The honorable s
tor IRON Virginia who has Just taken his seat H. @
that The name oil MIR. Merwelher, who was sworn i,
der commission from the governor al the las sess,
the Senate, must continue upon the roll until ~ o, Y
competent authority, Il Is displaced iron IL NoU ~,
will be recollected that Mr. Meriwether took HI & a.
the Senate under an appointment which by ihe y W. \
terms oil II, was limited TO day which has ALREADY sS
pred. II therefore does not follow, from lhs state ~ ~
case. that Mr. Meriwether is still a member Of this boy l.
order to ascertain that, we have determine TIE
hons that are raised upon the credentials flom lie &
tuIe o keniucky 80 that the whole matter must 6e an
cded by the vote which decides any part of ii II All
Menwe,her is now member OF this body, then Tho ho
orable gentleman who presents his Credentials and sss
TO be sworn In IS not member. and, far as see ta
not become member. That brings us back 10 he an.
ton as 10 the power of appointment BY the goyernor
TO the effect OF the resignation OF MT Clay take ea
at fulure day--and il OF course Involves all The que
tIons that arise III the decision OF this case 1t seqm
me that there is no preliminary inquiry which we can ~
cide here which will leave the main question behind NJ
Merwether having taken his seat under an alpoium,
which was 10 expire The first day of September uG
is sID har
OF the Senate on the first day OF September The cogv
the cons rucoa Ut upon this clause OF the con
tutlon-hal Is, that The appointment mus endaie Nov
that involves several serious inquiries and briggs us L
again, as remarked 10 the original
right OF The gentleman who offers his Credentials ffo 6
legislature OF Kentucky aud i, therefore opens the VITO.
discussion. lnnated yesterday, that seemed 10 me he
was no necessity in this for reference 10 4 r1T
mittee. There are no facts 10 ascertain. Eveything /
In the possession OF the Senate Senate upon which
any and all the questions involved must be dc cijel M
credentials OF both the gentlemen show the aci pnar
the lace OF them, OF resignation in April To taks 6r
IN September. And, therefore, there is certainly no ne
cessily ,ora reference The credentials show every ad
except the fact of the death OF Mr. Clay which iac M
pears also upon the records Of the Senate, he beng Il
the time member of this body. observed las ash,
SIR and was pleased 10 do so, in looking The discus
sion which occurred here the day before YESTERDAY s
IN, rend IRON Michigan Mr CAssl took the same view
that have taken-ihat there no necessity i1r la
reference TO committee. | sill retain that opinion
think tile Senate not only competent without the aid N
committee decide this question; but 81 far a. esn
see, the committee can anotd aid which The men.
bers OF the COMMITTEES could not afford in The tiscssim
upon TINS hoor see, then, no reason for the re,r.
ence But suppose that This is not the o lie
case, IL seems To that this is an important na4t
which should be fully investigated ini. Tat gta,
men should have an opportunity 10 look INTO II, and PIE
rare tor The discussion, m order that when II discussed
their opinions may be finally made up. Therefore If i
meets the appreciation OF the Senate, would suggest ard
with their concurrence would movs that postpone s
further consideration of this subject until Monday ney
| see IN 10
Tor The intrposition OF committee, and am VERY see
that we cannot decide upoa part OF The subject without
deciding The whole.
Mr.. IOUCEY hope that the cour Sc suggested by
the senator iron North Carolina will be taken had
myself called upon to vote upon the amendment
proposed by bis colleague, and cannot discuss ha,
amendment without discussing the merits OF the whole
question. bad determined 10 intimate opinion, no
10 form any definite and na opinion, until the sutra
had been considered. discover that there Is dspo.
ton IN the Senate to go into this discussion IL has been
inio and we have reached the point OF voting and
Tne very vote give, In my iudg sci
ties the whole question and before il is settled By vol,
oil the Senate, for one, should be very glad 10 have
an opportunity TO express my views upon IT, Nov
II II IS understood that this question shall remain u
Monday, that il shall be discussed in the Senate and
The members OF this body shall themselves look into The
question and examine the precsdents instead oil having
committee do II for themif thai the see 10
reason why the whole question may not as well be d.
posed oil on Monday by referring II to COMMITTEE
That seeming to be The pleasure OF the Senate and from
the impo ssiohy OF discussing the question one SIDE
and not discussing on the other partly discussing and
partly not discussing il, and still the debate going
think the oaiy practicable mole is postpone the ds
cussion and go into upon Monday, when sba
be ready TO vote finally upon every question that may
arise hope, therefore, that this motion will Prevail.
Mr. BRIGHT. | shall vote for this motion; bnt not
for the purpose OF going into the subject Montag
but with the expectation that between this time ana
Monday next the committees will have been organR
and that this subject may then be referred 10 the judiciary
Committee, where think il ought 10 go. htnk II. .
port ough, 10 be made by that committee before the Ser
ale shall be called upon TO vote upon tSe main question
The motion was agreed to.
MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVES
message received from the House of Representa-
lives by Mr. Foney, their Clerk, announcing to The SEM
ate that the House have passed emitted an ad
making an appropriation for bringing to the seat OF gov
ernment the votes for President and Vice Presiden
the United States in which the concurrence Of the Sen
ate is requested.
MIR HUNTER moved that the bill just received from
the House be taken up and acted upon and h'
motion being agreed TO, read twice by unanimous
and considered as 10 committee OF the whole.
Mr.. BADGER. | wish 10 ask one question with rr
ect that four years ago. by provso or amendme
the compensation was reduced Has the former compE
sation been reinstatedP
The PRESIDENT II has been reinstaied
AR. BADGER. The bill is all right, then.
The bill was then read third time by unanimous y
sent, and passed.
Ol motion, the Senate adjourned.