The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1852-07-18


plenty Of scholars and attendance The wealthy would
sec TO itby aiding in furnishing books clothing to
the indgent-that the amount of school attendance was
sweled direct pecunary benefit to the district would
result as the greater the amount Of school
Education He liked separate department ofschools Tie
was In favor OF depotng school moneys with clerks
instead OF supervisors the clerk is tho keeper of
town records gives bonds &c SC Heapproved Of district
super1ntendents. Town superntendents were n drudge
in the market with a few honorable exceptions. We
must not make the expense tho sysea too great or
the people VIII belt or II adopted, even, will be
oveIthrown.
The PRESIDENT called on the Convention to adopt some
definite line of bukinees.
Mr. KEYEs tof Hudson) said could not adopt a
school system to day but the Convention could take
up some certain points and discuss them and declare
their opinions thereon.
Mr. iSGAILs moved that committee of five be appoint
ed to daft school law to be submitted to subsequent
Mr. Il. W CuRrs (of onondoga) doubted the propriety
of this method Of proceeding 1t should be by petition
memorial setting forth such general principles might
have been agreed on.
Mr. INGALLS, did not think So This committee OF five
would be supposed TO understand all its bearings in all
details, quite as welt any members of tho Legislature
1t IL the details which itutc the the whole
question. Theye is diiculty-there never had been
any-in agreeing general principles but when they
to be carried out practically the manner caused ali
the difficulty dissatisfaction and contention This
mittee would be likely to agree the report submitted
by them-we would get public feeling In favor and
the Legislature would have only to make formal ap.
proyM Of what had been already decided This com
mittee not to report to the Legislature but a sub.
sequent convention, which may adopt reject amend
Mr. d s. HEBRON Coz Utca) held similar views as TO
the of action proper for that to adopt
ton and the unanimous opinion seemed to be- that ID
would be unwsc on the short time given by the ca for
consideration to adopt any plan for school system at
ferns That part q his pinn drawn up this
morning The formation Of school system for the
State of Ntw York required deliberation than this
Let statute be prepared by committee and submitted
10 afuture convcntionsay in Apsny-a few days after
the opening of The next eession of the Legislature II.
nd TN
day and place; and in the meantime the friends of edu
cation would secure powerful convention.
Mr.. CuRris in tayoe of the appointment of COM
mttee; but to report memorial statute in form
Mr. JoHoNNoT inquired if Mr.. Ingalls, Intended to in
cude colleges ard academies.
Mr.. JNGALLs--The convention can decide that They
did not decide il it--lisroRTER.l
The PRESIDENT said he would suggest that system Of
school laws could not be prepared there His plan of
operations would be TO have the Legislature appoint
committee OF the abest men, who should devote time
and make thorough work of it, and thus report a
pit'c and harmonious syrtem. lie had himself urged
that conrae
Mr. rrrnoN would sugocst the Secretary of state and
Mr.. Wm Tracey of Utica, competent and excellent
who wond probably prepare system the Secretary
would be willing to adopt III his annual report to the
legislature AS to commission to be appointed by the
legislature, the idea presented to than one
Senator. but nothing done about it,
Mr. INGALLS, thought the experience of the Legislature,
in reference TO commissioners the code had been such
would be likely TO deter them from such action He
hoped last winter for such commission; but 1t not
made.
Mr. ,loHoSNor said he held in his hand q specimen
Of State commis sion and report, and would mention
the in which it treated by the Legislature.
He referred to the report Of S. S. Randall. which was
made last winter at the opening of the session 1t
pfin,cd and laid the table and touched after
wards.
Mr.. sHrlr,S (cf syracuse), favored a committee by
the convention, for reasons already advanced
The PRESIDENT stated the question.
MIR. HoIunoox (of Rochester) inquired whether the
report made that afternoon to be referred the
committee,
Mr.. MAY supposed it would be in their hands, of
course.
Mr. Hrrrnor concurred.
MIR. Brigham said the report that afternoon an
individual affair and was not in the hands Of the Conven
ton.
Mr.. INGALLS, resolution for committee was then una
nimously adopted
Mr.. HErrRoN moved for committee of five to nomi-
nate the committee to prepare a school system Carried
The PRrs,prST appointed Mr.. Hcfiron OF Utica DIr
ingalls,. of Watertown sr. May of SYRACUSE Mr. Uol-
upon the Convention adjourned to seven O'clock.
EVENING SESSION.
The PREsiDEHT called to order.
The committee not being ready to report,
MIR BRIGHAM suggested that the topics which had been
presented had better be discussed in the PROPOSE
tions aud lac would, therefore, offer the following
lution:--
Governor and Senate of State Board of Education.
Mr. JoHoNNor was In fsvor Of such board, appointed
in such way, because II would be removed from political
ard party influence. Men Of high standing from both
parties, would be appointed. Another IL Ia
t,mrstcd that tho board shall appoint the state SUPER
,endent 1t IL Objected that the propo would not SUBJ
pt lie did not believe C. The board would be better
fitted to select than political We should get
high minded man for Superintendent rot mere part-
who bad ideas out of his party The system Of
similar b5aid now in operation in this state-thc
Roard of Regents That beard supentends the colleges
and academies OF the State, and their management is
very perfect
The Committee nominations then reported The FL
lowing committed TO prepare school system to be Sub.
inrted 70 'he ptxt oonyenilon =
For Chairman. William Racey, of Utica Calvin T.
Hurlburd Of st. Lawreneo o Steele Buffalo; Charles
W Bcekman, Of New York, and Samuel G. Andrews, Of
Rochester.
Report unanimously adopted
The consideration Of the resolution then resumed
Mr.. BEIeHAM was in favor Of appointment. The
want in state proper official control Tho men
who now have the SCH o6 affairs If the state in charge
have too much else to do lie thought the proprety o.
the afpointnont Of the beard addressed itself to all
Mr. INGALLS, could not agree with this view. The popu.
nr cling in this State opposed the system OF ,p-
poinmens, II was said this would not be political
But not the Governor and Senate elective and are
they not both elected at for the wears
The PEEslprNT interposed The members of the Board
are 10 rave no pay-pcor political capital.
II xes 10 details but leaves every thing open to surmise
r hrYus was N favor OF adopting the resolution a.
IN nd can act in regard to detail3.
MIR. BmouAn tad the design Of the resolution was to
recognise great want in the State The manner of pro-
yiding for it could be settled hereafter.
Dir INaALs that the number Of the proposed
The replied that the object Of the resolu-
lion merely 10 state principle,
Resolution unanimously adopted
Mr.. BRCHAai said he requested to read the follow.
ing
osoyed That the State Board Educaton should elect
tate superintendent ~ Common Schools who shall At
tho hefo of distinct ofthe state government
Mr. INGALLS, opposed to the resolution. IL Is un
democrutc-nnti republican Tho Governor and Senate
eeotce; they the first from the people
They aTpont the Board Of Education; this ia the secou
remove. And they 10 appoint the State Superinten
dent who Is thus the third remove from tho people
Mr. KrYrs in favor Of tho resolution for that rea
We had = similar in the Board Of Regents VIII
appoint the Executive Committee Of the State Norma
School. All worked well lie wished to remove it from
The people. Iii went TO them 1t to be under the
power 81 p0rty.
The PRrsprNr said they had resolved to have Board
of Education who have the control tho school
system. They were TO appoint man TO do the work.
Mr. BRIonAM defended the appointing power in safe
hands
The President said that in Massachusetts, the Super
into nden appointed by the Board of Education
Nr ISoAIs said it proposed TO give the State SUI
re1intendsnt great deal Of power contrary to
the progressive policy OF this State TO give the disposal Of
such oice to the appointing power He referred to