The daily union., 1852-09-02

amended that Congress can do It's own printing and
mat the printing OF The departments ba done BY itself
90 not hnk the two should be kept together and there
are good reasons why they should not be kept together
Inc Two Kinds OF printing are different; the terms and
prces should be different The department printing is OF
sach character that the person who is to do II 10 not
compelled 10 do II Immediately, or 10 do in the night
me and the same rates that would be runous rates or
congressional printing would be exobiant for that
OF The departments and scale OF prices congressional
work. made Tor that kind OF work. would not apply to The
department printing This is one reason why think The
two should moi be blended together.
Another reason is. that the printing OF the Post Office
Department exceeds $4,000 year, and requires
the actual superintendence OF two individuals ot
one TO prepare the blanks aud the other 10 circulate
them all over the country and the duties required Of
superintendent 10 supernend both the department pnnt-
lug and the Congressional printing are more than any
one man on the lace of the earth perform These
are my objections 10 the bill am opposed to the whole
system, think il wrong in principles but these y
sense Of the Senate. win move to amend the second
section of The bill by adding, after The word printing,
in the second line, the words
ITO be elected by of the Senate and
House of Representatives" t
| II will then read.
"And be farther enacted That there shall be super
rent vote Of The senate and Hosse Of Who
shall hold his Office for the term OF years. who shah
ceve for his services salary of " SEQ annum, &c
In that way the superintendent will be within the
troll OF Congress, and will not be appointed by the sole
authority Of the President hope the Senate will allow
the vote TO be taken upon this question withou, discus
Mr. UNDERWOOD asked for the reading OF the bill,
and il was accordingly read.
MIR. RUSk. Mr. President, it.seems TO me that that
amendment will introduce new rule and one which il
will perhaps be difficult to carry out The concurrent
vote OF The Senate and House of Representatives upon
matter like This is something entirely new II the super
nendenrs appointment is 10 be made by vote of each
house, taken separately, il seems to me that there is
some possibility OF not being able 10 have an officer
elected at all for one house might vote for one man.
and the other house for another.
The question being taken upon the amendment, it was
Mr. BAYARD. cannot vote for this bill as il now
stands because am opposed 10 the principle OF the bill
as permanent measure; but nasmuch as we must
necessarily make provision for The printing of
Congress at the next session, willing 10 take this
bill with the proviso which now otier propose TO
insert in the twelfth section provso which will limit
the duration OF the law TO The 4th of March, 1853 If
Congress deems il necessary to pass some bill OF this
Sort they take il up al the next session. and then
reenact this law with alterations or amendments;
they can adopt this as 1t stands, or adopt some other
system. What mean to express is, that my own opin-
ions decidedly in favor Of national printing press,
after good deal OF thought which have given to the
subject But this is subject which requires some in
vestigatiop, and | am willing 10 have the views of
others, and | wish TO express my own; bat il is too
late in the session now 10 do that. am willing to ac,
cept the measure as temporary measure, extending
solely 10 the next Congress, bui shall be compelled 10
vote against the bill as permanent meas lIe because
well satisfied that ii it should pass, whatever may
be merits or its demers, the law will be continued
for al least four five years therefore move 10 amend
the bill by adding al the end OF the l2h section the fol-
! lowing proviso r 81 t
"Propidd That the preceding provisions OF this shall
continue in force until the 4h Of March, 1883 and no
longer"
| Mr. DOUGLAS. rise to express the hope that The
amendment will not be adopted II the bill be tired as II
is, we can in the mean time secure welidgested sgs
s% G DGSS paas 81 90 thus will
men which is under consideration Will render necss
sary to send this bill back to the House Of Representa-
a would d Be enough The printer whom we elect w
only hold his office until the 4th oil March, when fur
tber action be had BY Congress. lnasnush, there
FORE this amendment would appear TO have no bene
fetal effect, 10 me TO be unnecessary to pass H.
! Mr.. BAYARD. The amendment has it's effect Ii is
not merely to have printer eecled but the law will re-
main in force permanent law; and II requires the elec
ton OF printer, il you pass It IN the shape in which
stands, opposed TO the principle OF the law There
is no lime TO discuss 1t now, and am willing to take
with this poviso in consequence OF the exgency OF the
public service. That exIgencI, however, does not re.
Quire that should swallow what is wrong in prnci
pe and believe that Congress, during the next session,
will be able, after discussion, 10 say whether they will
modify, alter or abandon, the system altogether. !
thetefore must persist in my amendment
Mr.. SMITH 1 ask for the yeas and nays on the
amendment |; isa vefy important amendment
The yeas and nays ordered and, being taken the
result was-yeas IS, nays 25-as follows:
s. AGs,S. B.as'r s,yd Bel, sa
son, Desaussure Fish, Foot Geyer Hale Hunter Jones
sswsd smith, soas. spraaeso, Stockton. sannei Ia
derwood, Upham, and Wade-3
cas. Chadton, Clemens, Dodge Of Wisconsin, D,dge o
Iowa Douglas Downs Fetch, Gwin, Houston, James,
Jones OF Iowa, King, Mallory, Meuwether Norris, Rusk
Shields, Toncey, Walker and Wsier-2
So the amendment was agreed TO.
| MIR. HAMLlN. desire to move amendment in the
second section, simply for the purpose OF testing the
question whether the Senate will conuec, the printing Of
the departments with the printing OF Congress, whether
they willing separate these Two kinds OF printing
II that amendment is adopted, shall propose another
for the purpose OF separating these two klnds OF
printing propose TO strike out OF the twelfth and thr
ieenth lines the words cor OF any department or bu-
reau OF the government OF the United States" And up
on that ask the yeas and nays
The yeas and nays were ordered.
Mr.. BORLAND. | have TO differ with my friend
from Maine this proposition think. IL we elect
public printer ought 10 include all the printing, bring
Il all into one system. The effect of that would be To-
make fortunes very rapidly for somebody and desire
to make the fortune of at time, and let hm retire
for some else to take his place.
Mr. SMITH The amendment proposed BY the sena-
tor from Maine is OF very great importance desire
call the attention OF the Senate TO the subject though
stall endesvor to be brief possible There IL no
member Of the Senate who is familiar with this
subject than is my friend from Maine and regret very
much that he did not lay before The Senate the acis and
conrde raons which certain would insure the adop-
lion OF his amendment by very large majority OF the
into the merits of the subject probably relying the
that have heard from several quarters that
every member OF the Senate is perfectly familiar with
the legislation OF Congress, and with all the facts that
pertain TO the question II were entirely that they
are so, certainly would not trouble the Senate with
| any remarks.
But MI President, we have system, rather one
principle which rules and governs the printing OF the
Two houses OF Congress, and another in each and every
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