The daily union., 1852-09-15
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MONDAY. AUGUST 80. 1852.
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SENATE.

..Uf NAVAL APPROPRIATION BILL.
The Senate resumed. as ia committee OF the whole,
the consideration OF the bill from the House "makng
appropriations for The naval service Tor the year ending
Ihe solh OF June ls53"-he question pending being on
the amendment offered by MIR. DAVIS 10 the amendment
of Mr. GwIs,
repy 10 my honorable friend from New jersey. Mr.
SrocKroSl with whom regret very much to differ on
This occasion He is mach better informed the subject
ihsn can possibly be- My only objection 10 this is my
want OF information and my ignorance the subject
am moi 80 well qualified to judge OF IL as he is but wish
10 assure him that never heard word about the mat
ter until it came up this morning: No one has ever
spoken 10 me the subject either in out OF the SEN
ale When il up this morning It was the first that
had ever heard OF il; and have not opposed it because
have received erroneous Information oa the subject,
hn because have received information at all on the
subject ,A r,.a,.,
invention Of This kind and next, whether, when that in
yenon s applied steam vessel will be successful
AS the Secretary OF the Navy is the person qualified 10
Judge Of these hatters prefer 10 leave them TO him
And would ask my friend il the mendment. as il now
stands does leave il TO the discretion OF the Secretary
OF The Navy Why does The Secretary OF the Navy
here ask US to give hm PERMISSION TO do that which
he is already able to do without the permission Why
does he lake the responsibility himself He is there
for that purpose He take the best invention and
apply il to public vessel; and if succeeds that
sell he extend il to other public vessels HE can do
that without this legislation. He ascertain what is
the best invention and then he make fair expert
ment. and, successful, apply it to the whole navy Is
not that so Am not right in this Then, why does
be come TO US, and recommend 10 us TO recommend 10
him 10 do that which he can do without any recommend
alton par, Why does he not take the RESPONSE
hity upon h,mselt!
another to his nterrogaiory from me- will give
it, intended TO do so when last addressed the Sen
ate thought stated that the Secretary OF the Navy
wanted authority 10 this condenser in conseque
of the difficulties and confusion which have been thrown
in his way by persons interested in other condensers,
and especially because the report made by scientific gem
tlemen. who appointed for that purpose, not
sufficiently definite conclusive The Secretary did not
feel himself at liberty TO 20 in important busI-
ness without authority of Congress. 1t will be per-
ceved that this has been forced oat OF The ordinary
course of departmental regulation by the interference Of
persons not at all connected with The navy. and who
are interested in other condensets. What ask is
merely TO dsembaass the present Secretary from the diff
cues that seem 10 have constrained the action OF his
predecessor.
Mr. CASS. understand that the report OF the board
was unfavorable 10 the application of this condenser
Mr.. STOCKTON. II was favorable to this than
to any other condenser; but notconcusve.
Nlr. CASS, But still not entirely favorable
Mr.. STOCkTON. wish 10 be perfectly understood.
The board thought understand The report, that the
Prison condenser The bes but that parts taken from
several contenseTs might possibly make better than
his. have IN my hand papers which prove that am
Mr.. SHIELDS No one has doubt OF it,
MIR, STOCKTON. The board thought that parts oi
eight or len different condensers might together make
better than this. Now, sir, legislator,
ator called upon determine what the bes, fol
the Department OF The Navy 10 pursue under the ccum
stances and especially a member OF the Committee
Naval Affairs, | am constrained insist, with earnest
that this amendment ought 10 be adopted by The
Senate Our steam navy is costing annually too much
money, and / believe may reduce its expenses
S2OoO00 year By iudicous application OF this con-
deaser all The engines Is that not matter OF import
ance How is this conclusion 10 be avoided How can
senators satisfy themselves let The present expenses
on, simply because the commission did not report thai
this condenser perfect and incaple OF Improvement
They reported more tavoraby OF this than any other con
denser the only difficulty in their minds seems TO have
been, that they thought another might possibly be
made better than PRISONS. When such a is made
can il; but IN the mean time lei us apply this
Mr. President have given you the experience OF per-
who engaged IN steam vessels in the mercantile
narine-men who apt 10 do that which is bes-espe
cisy that which is most economical. cited in my
former remarks the instance OF the Quick Step steamer
which went to California and stated that her artiya
there her engines and boilers IN good condition
when she left Philadelphia This is no exaggeration
the evidence in my hand proves H. Upon so serious
subject this disposed TO conne myself within the
limits oil exact figures
Here is a letter from the engineer OF that steamer tC
which have before referred stating these facts, and h
great surprise the result Here is also letter frou
Mr George Aspnwa owner or part owner, oil that yes
sell Here, likewisei letter addressed to myself iron
eminent aud skllu mechanics, Reany Neahe, in Phil
adelpha, written 10 simply because they knew tel
an interest in such experiments.
Now, tbink If senators have faith in any human ties
tmonyif they can believe what IS testified 10 by h'
most reliable men--they believe the ties
tmony OF these witnesses, and they must come to III,
conclusion that this is the best condenser now n OF
known II this be still disputed fact then must &c
further into the testimony. But do not think u can
longer be doubted Admitting then, that Il is the bes
MISUNDERSTANDING that II has done much TO econo-
mize fuel aud preserve the boilers and enxines-i ask
II they resist the conclusion that il is THEFT
duty to give the Secretary OF the Navy authority TO
ct II he d and enable him reduce the expenses OF
opS naval marine. Sir, as inend OF the navy-ls a
TREND OF economy-as friend OF Improvement and o
ogress-l ask senators TO reconsider their opinions
do slice TO honorable and useful citizen. and vote
for III. amendment
Nj SHIELDS am very sorry 10 hear the senator
fron New Jersey tMr. Srocrrosl say that the Secretary
~ ,be Navy embarrassed on this subject J am sure
na n NV no uorable friend should be Secretary oil
the Navv-aed have him in view for that office some
~ ,hsse davs-and question OF this kind should come
IN. he would noi feel embarrassed about 1t.
MIR STOCKTON There would be no embarrassment
then Laughter
Me- SHIELDS I am sure of il. feel satisfied iha
when questions Of this kind come up be will not be EN-
barrassed do not want aoy man m that position wht
is not willing 10 take the responsibility upon hlmseli OF
point appertaining TO his duty Any man VINO = no
able and willing 10 take the proper responsibility OF IN
situation would not make as good Secretary OF I'M
Navy as my honorabe and distinguished friend iron
New Jersey. wish he was there. The objection ina
sake IA touched at all by what the honorable sena
tor has said. believe all that he has SAID DIS MAJ
beibe best condenser of the kind earth may b'
necessay ,o the American navy AN wiling 70 ,e "a,
Secretary TO get the very best condenser the face o
me globe and apply that condenser TO any vessel and
Nopetaes successfully then TO apply II TO all The YES
se Oh he navy but that precisely the authority which
ne has now and consequently do not any necessity
for further legislation
Mr.. DAVIS. MIR. Presdent----
MT bmlN would sugges, TO senators that they bad