The daily union., 1852-05-14

young gentleman OF talents and promise who is an enx-
neer IN the navy, and that his statement shows that
S30O00 year ought to the running expenses OF
these vessels and he goes argue upon that basis 10
show that the OF the proposed grant would bo
Iely beyond what ought TO be paid by the government,
and that further extension OF aid necessary 10
sustain this line Bat il the basis OF the calculation be
wrong the calculation ITSELF OF cannot be right
Would the honorable senator oppose a conjectursl
statement oil which not even the Items given. made
out hy an individual who, however talented he may be.
have particular kno wledge OF all the expenses
cident to going line Of steamers between New York
and Lvepoolthe dock charges the extent OF the sup
plies necessary Tor passengers and all the incidental ak
penses OF vessels OF such size. in which he may have
travelled, and as 10 which he have practical
knoweige-to statement which gives us the details OF
actual expenditures Are we to take estimate. mere
estimate gross, without knowing what iiems enter into
the calculation? Are TO take coDlecural estimate,
which places the Of running these $500 900,
opposition the actual expenditures proved by the oath
OF an uninterested partyl
But there is anoner answer to this species Of evidence
You have facts sworn to the side, and you have
conecural estimate, without items, the other side
You have also the fact that the OF this ne
terror its establishment, had been successful merchants
Inns conducted packet line in New York with skill and
success for years anterior his embarkng this busi
ness You have the further fact that there could be no
motive for making the expenditures lavish and unneces-
sary, with view to contingent chances of successful
claim upon the bounty OF Congress for enlarged ap
preparation. tits vain 70 suppose that such motive
could have entered into the minds oil rational men, When
you take these undenabe facts connected with the mat
ters to by dsincresed witness, taken from the
DOCKS OF the company on Wnd Is you Cau
rely upon conjecture opposed to facts supported
But the honorable from Kentucky (Mr UNDER
wooDl makes estimate against these facts ALSO not IN
order show that these expenses have not been incurred
but to show that they have been mprovdently incurred
His estimate excludes almost all the important items; and
because he well as both ignorant OF the subject
he draws inferences against the expenditures. Now,
should suppose that the former management OF these
parties in the business in which they previously en-
gagged, the want of motive their part for an extrava-
giant expenditure and the general character OF the con-
tractors, may well rebut the differences OF the honorable
senator from Kentucky. The honorable senator from
Tennessee & Mr.. JoNEs will not 20 beyond $25.000
voyage, because he says that ia larger than the allow.
ance which the British makes TO the Cunard
line Allow me to remark that the allowance BY the
British government is criterion Tor but it you Will
take the example OF England take the whole OF her ex-
ample Cunard established his line in 1882. Al that
time the rate OF compensation allowed him by the British
government EOS 900 $325 900; and alter short
time the expenses of the undertaking heavy in
proportion TO the receipts that he suspended payment
The British government did not then abandon bim, but
they advanced his compensation to $425 900 year, and,
in pursuance of their policy, when determined to es-
tablsh line between New York and Liverpool (for
they had no line running there previousy) they doubled
the grant TO Cunad in order to enable him to establish
rival line They have gone aud encouraged that line
by appropriations sufficient 10 sustain and enlarge It,
have said that the amount which they allowed 10 no
criterion for the allowance which should be made BY u.s.
Let point out here what consider error in one of
the calculations OF the honorable from Virginia.
as A affects in part the argument of the honorable sena
tor from Tennessee inasmuch il shows that the al,
owance to the Cunard line greater than ssupposed
teven on the admitted facts The honorable senator from
Virginia says that the allowance per trip voyage to the
Cqnard line at fl45oo per annum is $l4 600 voyage.
calculation viii state and if there be in il, the
senator can point it out. Taking El43.ooo sterling,
ordered up to weekly trips, il would amount 10 s7oa
600, computing the pound sterling at S4 IS, which is
about the average rate OF exchanges The variance how
ever, can be very little. whether you take II at ~ or
"a s5 10 the pound. The reduction of the pound ster
ling dollars these different produces the differ
| ence between the statement which we have heard, of
IN ued dylda
three-he number OF trips which the Cunard line were
bound 10 perform before they ordered up to fifty
two trps-and it gives Sl6,354 per trip.
| Mr. HUNTER. The senator will perceive that he is
bringing up the old difficulty TO whether the compen-
saton is fi70.ooo odd. fl45,oOo The statement OF
El45,ooo, or 5000 900, was the statement emanatng
from the Post Office Department. and furnished by the
chairman of the Post Office Committee took his state
men in preference 10 the one which was made upon
supposition. Now, according to the last accounts we
received, the CunaIders were ordered up TO hftytwo
trips year Well 6iytwo trips $685. 900 would give
that owing to the fact that they had been ordered up
6fytwo trips they had already had pro rsis Increase
making the compensation fi79,0oo Even taking that
statement, Il leaves but little over $4,000 trip
Mr.. BAYARD. concede that il you divide El45ooo
by fftytwo trips, IL will only give about $4,000 trip;
but what warrant have we for the assumption that they
only receive Eii50o0 since they have been ordered up
to fifty tps' The papers show, and the British ad-
malty accounts show, that when the contract for
weekly trips during eight months in the year, and semi
monthly trips during the remaining four months, they
ceived Ef45,00 isf-.
i Mr. HUNTER. There evidence in the Post OF
hce Department that the Cunaders had been ordered mp
TO hy.two trips, but there evidence that there
was any increased compensation for those trips.
Mr. BAYARD. The learned senator then presumes
that because there evidence the Post Office De-
pament that the increased compensation had been made
land is which will be ascertaned until the
admiralty reports pubsbed) twas not to be inferred
that when the Cunard line were ordered up to ffy-two
trips, their allowance not increased. Is reasona
BILE to suppose so Such has not been hitherto the
course of IN British government The British govern
ment assisted the Cunard line when there oppo-
son 10 IT, and raised its compensation from S3250O0 10
S425 900 year Afterwards they raised the compensation
TO E45000. when they required increased service Then
by what reasonable conclusion the senator deduce
his argument that when they ordered up the Cunarders
from forty three 10 hytwo trips, they did not also give
pro rn'a increase 10 the compensation
i Mr. HUNTER This is no inference OF mine have
given the facts as far they known. ]
what is known The nfers that the compensa-
ton ha. been increased. In my argument have given
this line the benefit OF this supposon; and II you
sumo that the Cunarders receive El75,000, Their
compensation will still be bat $4,000 trip II you
sumo the old compensation, (and there is no evidence
that it has been cbangedD u leaves $4,000 trip and
both far under what already give TO the Col
| Inns line.
Mr. BAYARD. concede thatit is statement OF facis
far the alteration OF the goes but there 10
no statement OF fact 10 the presumption that the
compensation not increased commensuraely with
the increase OF the service But the natural inference
from fact TO the other would be thai the compensation
increased arguing from the previous conduct oil the
British government shall therefore, sll contend that
upon the facts cited by the honorable senator from Viz
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