The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1852-10-14


cannot say that saw the powder that blew up
No. As. g I was very busy; was on the corner
Of Broad street and Exchange place when No.
IS was BLEW up no sod hss SeT.
powder; thinks he did not leave the store till after
the FIRE had crossed William street; Mr.. Lawrence
did not say that other buildings we're to be blown
up, but that No 81 was; this was peremptory;
did not leave the store till after the cry Of 'spow-
der;'' saw the fire run bad; heard the bells ring,
but cannot say If this was before he gave the keys
to Mr.. Lawrence; cannot say how far the fire OK
tended en- the south; thought, before No. 4S
was blown up, that l could have removed the
goods; Stone. Savage & Co. were importers
Of broad cloths they occupied the first floor
through, and think tho upper loft; the goods were
in boxes, but did not remove them in boxes; the
boxes were generally open, for show; cannot say
what quantity of goods was removed before gave
the keys to Mr Lawrence; cannot say what proper
broadcoths were removed; four ffths Of tho goods
on the FIRST floor had been removed by this means;
four.ffths in values had removed quantity through
the gate in Beaver street, beyond Broad street. and
other parts of them from the front in Exchange
place, and more of them from the front in Exchange
place; conveyed portion to cellar in Wall street,
between Broad and New streets; Edwin Lord Il Co.,
occupied two lofts in No 81; cannot say how many
men we're occupied in the removal; thinks dftee
men were engaged, and one handcart; offered 500
for wheelbsrrow; the cart in use was one with
long frame; he had besides, man with truck;
there deep the street, and it offered OBJ.
stuctions to vehicles we'll to persons did not
see goods at Green street Church yard, but heard
that there were cannot say If the parties occupying
other parts Of the house removed their goods; took
away the goods after the fire, to place in Pine
street; could not say how long the goods remained
in the yard before removals they remained till
after daylight; the fire stopped at No 81;
Cannot say If he commenced removing the most
valuable 6rst; the books and papers were removed
early; very early; before the burning Of the Ex-
change; was present at the blowing up of NO 90;
thinks that part Of No. 80 fell with No. 4S;
"a No, Of kho 11snu nfl hat
81 was blown up; thinks he saw powder going in;
it was on the street; supposed it to be powder;
from the time that he saw what he supposed was
powder going into SO until it was blown up, was
To Mr.. Van Wagner 1t was before 4S was blown
up that saw the powder on the street.
To Mr. Whitehead - Cannot say what time
elapsed between the two explosions.
AFTERNOON SESSION
Mr.. Griswells examination c0ntinued-by Mr..
Cutting. Q.-You stated in substance, that some
gentlemen came into the store So, and that they
represented themselves as Mayor Lawrence and Al
dermen of the city; how many came with Mr. Law
stand9 Around him. Q.-You stated that
they were about to send to Brooklyn for powder;
were these the words! Ayes. Q-What else
occasion Aforementioned nothing more that
time. Q-After Mr.. Lawrence made that remark,
did he 60 away or remain A-Think they left
Q,-Can you remember the names OF any OF those
you know Aldermen Benson or Taylor! A.-Could
not say, but thinks they knew him cannot say that
Alderman Benson was present; did not recoliect
saying anything to Mr.. Lawrence after that, till
handed him the keys; when handed the keys to
him the side of Garden street, said abandoned
the store to him cannot recolect that he said any
thing more at that time cannot remember any
thing Mr.. Lawrence said in answer to me left his
company at that time; saw him two or three times
before that; am pretty sure l saw him at,
or near the corner of Broad street and Exchange
place, before AS was blown up; told him
this occasion, after l had delivered the
keys, that ! could have removed the goods
this was all the particular conversation that can
remember having had with him. (Witness was
asked to tell the jury who had cried out the powder
was come p Ut was in the front store that
the call came from. but have no idea Of who said it
cannot state that Mr. Lawrence said it. gave notice
to the others, and went out and gave up the keys
thinks this is the time he saw the powder on the
street; be had gone back for some books, and it
was imme diatey afterwards that he saw the powder
the street, believes that at the time of the cry OF
powder, he was returning for the books, and his
giving up the keys were on the same instant. ca
juror-How much goods was removed y Witness
stated as before. about four tfths believes that
no person can tell better than himself the quan.
tity that in the place, and the quantity
saved every package and case in the store was
marked in a book, and each piece was represented
by figure; but cannot say, in point of fact, what
quantity was removed by subsequent examination
/ found that by comparing the quantity found at
the places where they were lett with the books,
that this much was destroyed was not INSTRUCTED
in the removal by other goods being left at No. 81
To Mr. Van Wagener-Made reply to Mayor
Lawrence when he said he (the Mayor would give
warning Of the arrival of the POWDER does not re-
collect when q previous inventory was mado of the
stock; the goods were taken by laborers, but |
had friends to see them safe; told Mr. Lawrence
that believed there was abundant time to remove
the goods; told Mr. Lawrence that there had been
plenty Of time to the goods; this was before
the explosion.
uansu S+ora axom;naa-Poodao ~ NJ 90
Sixth street, New York; resided, at the time Of the
fire. at "a Broadway, where | boarded; was then
clerk to Savage Stone Mason doing business at ~
Exchange place; AZ was destroyed by explosion
Of powder; there in the store then, twenty five
bales of brown cotton grilling; ,S66 81 was the
value of this property, which belonged to the Ame
rican Print Works
To Mr. Davies-Sod those goods within week
Of the fire, on their agents note for eight months;
does not know whether they were insured.
To Mr. Cutting-How was that charged! Do
not know; made out no account for that amount;
cannot say they were insured by n. Lord &
Co; sold the goods to Mr.. Lord ; Lord &
Co were the agents Of the American Print Works;
To Dir. Van Wagener-Knows from their books
that this bill paid, by its not being the bad
debts book it was subsequent to the fire that the
note was passed; does not know the arrangement
between Lord & Co.. and the American Print Works.
MIR. Stone recalled by Mr. Van Wagenr-The
goods in No. 43 at the time Of the fire; got
there about ii o'clock; left tho that evening
because powder had been brought; about forty per-
sons must have been engaged in removing the pro-
perty when left had two outlets for removing the
goods, in Exchange place, and anotherln Beaver
street; there came parties to our store during the
night; the crowd had been increasing and gave as
sistsnce in removing; cannot say that any OBJ
struction given to removing; cannot say how
long after the powder arrived that the building was
blown up; sold the goods to Lord & CO. the goods
were at their disposal; Lord & Co. were tho agents
of the American Print Works.
To Mr. Cutting--Began removing at halfpast
one @ clock. removed them a short distance above
Exchange place; thinks that at the last they had
couple of carts; offered any price for horses aud
carts: said he would furnish chandeliers for the
Green street Church, If the men who were taking
them away would throw them down and assist him;
could not hire horses, for they were all engaged;
thinks that all the assistance got that could be
procured; has no means of telling the number OF
packages saved; got out what was valued AZ $685.
and nn,yards. can tall from hia hnak N hat was