The Minnesota pioneer. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn. Territory) 1849-1855, 1852-07-08

of The matter, be entertained by the House. Ths
gentleman from Minnesota, [Mr. SIBLEY,l as
was stated by the gentleman from Tennessee
Mr.. jones' obtained the floor He had a
right, therefore, 10 be heard on tho bill when i,
next comes up. Well, the recons liberation by the
House simply restores the bill to the point il was
at when the House refused TO lay it on the table,
You make no progress at all, but you interfere
with rights subsequently acquired. l therefore
respectfully appeal from the decision of the Chair
entertaining the motion to reconsider.
! Mr.. BISSELL will make a suggestion which
trust will obviate the whole difficulty in tho way
/ If it is the pleasure of the House TO make this
bill the special order for Friday or Saturday next
week, | will withdraw the motion have sub
mtted
! Mr. JONES, of Tennessee. object to that
Mr.. STUART. desire to submit a statement
statement on this point, bat | understand it is
not deba teable
The SPEAKER 1t is not debateable; but the
Chair trusts that the House will allow The gentle
man 10 submit, his statement, confessing that he
has some doubts in regard to the point Of order.
Mr.. STUART. One statement is incorrec ct in
ITS effect. If the motion to reconsider shall pre-
vail the effect of It will be To bring the bill before
the House Now, when the bill is brought before
the House, it must stand where it stood when the
motion TO lay the table was put and it no
tMr. SIBLEY1 has lost the floor BY It's etfec! than
II it were not submitted.
The SPEAKER The Chair discovers at
glance the difficulty to which the gentleman
refers. When the bill was up, a motion was
made To lay it on the table. That motion failed.
The bill was further considered, until the expi-
ration of the morning hour, when the House
passed from is consideration gentleman
from Minnesota occupying the floor motion
L.. tf,o
House refused to lay the bill on the table. II
that vote were reconsidercd, and The vote taken
upon the motion TO lay on the table and carried,
the gentleman from Minnesota would be deprived
OF the zig M which belongs TO him under the rules
The Chair reconsiders his decision. and now de-
cides that the motion 10 reconsider is not in order
Mr. STUART. desire TO present point OF
order and il is his That the gentleman from
Minnesota being upon tho iloor and having cx
pressed hls desire 10 make a motion IN reference
to that Bill, and the special order has expired,
floor could be taken from him for the purpose of
proceeding to other business IN the House.
Mr.. RICHARDSON. | riso TO make IN
quiry Of the Chair.
Mr. STUART. ! trust that ] may be allowed
to proceed FIRST IN the statement of my point Of
order
Mr.. RICHARDSON. For moment want
to know before get away from the point of
order the condition IN which the matter stands.
The consequences Of matter Is one thing, and
the right another thing. Do understand the
Chair 10 decide, question of order that The
gentleman from Illinois Mr.. BIss ELL can move
10 reconsider he vote upon any proposition, ex-
cept Il motion to adjourn
The SPEAKER. When this question shall
sgaln come before the body, the gentleman from
Minnesota will be entitled 10 the floor upon IT,
Mr.. RICHARDSON. That is true.
The SPEAKER. If the motion 10 reconsider
the vote by which the House refused lay the
bill upon the table were entertained, 1t would
bring up the propostion'S Shall the bill be la i'll
on the table," The House might vote TO lay 1t
81. the table and thereby destroy the right of The
gentleman from Minnesota.
Mr. RICHARDSON. The Chair looks to
consequences, and not to the right for the decision.
Ii it is right in a decision 10 take into CONSIDER
alton It's probable effect against some member,
every proposition 10 reconsider would be decided
TO he ont Of order. THIS rs the question wish
10 yet at.
The SPEAKER. Gentlemen looking 10 the
practice under The rules must look TO the cOnse
Guences which may result so that both may
halnOniZe
Mr.. RICHARDSON. Certainly, but we can
not look TO the consequences after the rules have
been determined. appeal from the decision Of
The Chair.
Mr.. STUART An appeal cannot be taken
while am upon the floor stating i question Of
order.
Mr. RICHARDSON. Then I viii lake an
appeal when opportunity Is afforded me-
Mlr. STUART. Twill beg The ear OF the Chair
while state my point Of order. The pom,
make is his: That the gentleman from Minnesota
IMr. SIBLEYl was upon the floor on thu bill
proceeding 10 make speech. lie announced MS
determination before he sat down to make a mo-
ton to commit the bill 10 the Committee Of the
" hole on the state Of the Union. Now, sir,
under the rules which we established, governing
the special order, it was within the power of any
gentleman 70 take The floor and move TO proceed
to the orders Of the day, because the morning
hour bad expired. .cupposng the gentlemen from
Minnesota had spoken twenty minutes, M wing the
right TO speak an hour, ihls right of another mem
ber TO interfere with him would still obtain, and
the floor could be taken from him. For what
purpose; Why TO proceed to the orders Of the
dav. Now, when, on the next day, the special
order again comes before the House, would not
the gentleman from Minnesota be entitled to the
ioor 20 continue 10 the close of his speech
The SPEAKER. The Chair decides that the
bill is not before the House, and that, therefore,
the genlIeman from Minnesota Mr.. SIBLEY1 Is
rot entitled 20 the floor.
ROADS IN MINNESOTA.
Mr.. STANTLY. Is it in order to say word
upon Ills bIl
The SPEAKER. 1t is in order.
Mir. STANLY. / wish ~ call the attention OF
the House 10 one of these roads, for which there
is an appropriation of 50 coo made for surveying
and ayIng out road from Mendoza to the Inou til
Of the Big Sioux river, on the Mississippi. 1t Will
,ake some so ,00) instead of $4,000 to COM
petn that road We nave had no survey OF the
road by any officer of the Government, and no
one knows what the cost Of the road Will be-
qhe appropriation for the survey and laying out
This road was reported from the Committee on
Roads and Canals 10 the House Whether 1t
was 81 lcilored BY that committee or not, do not
know |, was reported, presume, as an act OF
courtesy and kindness to The delegates from that
district
Mr.. SlBLEY Will the gentleman allow me
to make explanation.
NJ. STANLY. shall be glad to hear some
explanation about 1t.
| Mr. SIBLEY wish to state 10 the House,
that at the first session Of the last Congress, SO.
goo was appropriated for the survey Of the road