The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1852-02-27


BY noble lord not then In that house-t the present
Duke Of Buckingham-which went upon the principle
Of tenure 1t was now proposed to give the right Of
votpg persons paying and occupying rent Of EGO in
stead Of hfty a before. There also number per-
sons possessed of freehold aud other property who at
present did not possess the right Of voting and it
proposed now to give the right Of voting to all
paid income tax Of forty shilipgs per annum. With
gard to email boroughs against which such an outcry
had been raised he aid not propose to destroy OF
those but In order to dse tho influence Of property
which, It was objected so greatly affected elections he
proposed Ia some instances to join certain nstghbong
towns and 70 unite then In one general represention
He stated ct the time Of the reform bill that Of the
have less than 800 eleotors whilst that
was the case generally, there we're fourteen small
boroughs with less than that number-there up
wards Of thirty with less than 400 and several others
with less than SEQ Hs spoke OF permanent electors
ten pound householders and frsemen. He now pro-
posed to make the limit 800 and to add places small
boroughs which had less than 900 electors There
sixty ceven boroughs to which this arrangement ap-
piled. These small boroughs generally, except soms
IN Yorkshire, were In the south and west OF England
They were situated In agricultural aud not commercial
psrto OF tho country Ihe towns proposed to be aided
were Of the same character. Whether this arrange
pent ss riet or wrong, polite mpolitic the result
woule Do TO establish the same balances OF interest which
WAS established by the reform bill. II these email agri-
cultural b0roughs were dirancnissd and the right of
voting wst given to manufacturing there would
be totsl change Of tnat baance-the suded interest
would be depressed and the manufacturing raised in Its
stesd tnisht be rsht to adopt such plan, aud many
gentlemen might wish it; but he was net prepared
tDe present occasion 10 propose any such arrangement
II we've adopted the House OF Comons would be the
which would ptobanS be liable to strong opposition in
the Other house et Parliament There other poo
postions In the bill which he wonld shortly etae. He
stated In previous eFselon that he fer
tanning the sent property qualification of members
that war easily eysdedhat 1t contrary to tho
general principles OF the representation that hs for
would willingly gee it removed Now he still msin-
tainea that opinion and he had Introduced clause
pssDg all &C IS on the subject beginning with the aot of
Anne which originally enacted the qualification Of Hiem
btrs. He proposed that uho members for Englsnd and
Ireland should be placed In the same positions rs those
for seotland who we're not required TO have property
qualification. There another proposition he intend
ed to introduce into the bill but could not do until
the subject was considered by committee OF the house.
IL appeared TO IN that the state OF the oaths taken by
members was not consistent with religious liberty jus
tice In the first place members required to taxs
sn oath Ienouncng all right OF succession the throne
IN the stuart family, which not necessary now.
There was also an nydiouo distinction made in the osths
between Protestants and Konsn Catholics. Thcrs ought
to be Oath which they could both alike take The
oath OK supremacy Was altogether useess because II
Roman Catnclic came into the HSu.e With feelings of
rspugnance to the Established Church, and desire to
Due it, the cath would NOT prevent hin eaercis his
feelings 1t would NOT surprise the House to learn that
the new oIm of oath was generally speaking thas taken
by Roman Catholics with the omission of certain word
The Words on the true faith OF Chrstain, would not
be introduced II was abunashy clear that they
nserie ed in the oath fer purpoas of pr venting
persons than those protesting be Chrisans from
entering the House. lie would make simple oath OF
allegiance TO the throne sSd aey to the sucoe,sion.
which ali members could take. There also another
proposition IN the bill When member accepted office
uIde the crown be vacated bis sss and went back TO
DIE cpIstituents which 10 doubt, wise arrange
ment hut there was another provision which appeared
to him TO be totally unnecessary and that was, thai
when q Usmber changed ofics--when having been 80
icitor General he became Attorney GenorA-he then
had to vscate his sea and s. again to election Now
appeared to him that the electors haviug decided
that they did object their member hoiing office,
it was that he should be re- elected when he
chspged the clce he filed aod he proposed, therefore
TO alter the Law in thie respect TO the extent he had
stated IL. believed he he'd gone through tbs main
features OF the bill which he proposed lay before the
House 1t appeared TO him to be that consistent
with that wch he had frequently said they ought to
eportyor to Tane-namslya supplemental measure TO
TIE Reform bill and not substitute for IL. he had de-
voted great attention 60 this subcc wa. copsdcrab
more thsn nnty years ago snco ne first TOOK up an
IL nearly thirty years since he proposed the large
OF reform which existed and which AZ tina
time opposed Dy the eoquence OF some Of the creates
siaics of t'c day but subsequently to that tns
Was successful under the auspices OF Lord Grey In
lying ttl larger measure Of reform and ne nap
py to say that, so far from fulfilling the werniogs
of its opponents the had tended t.
mote the happiness Of tse people and to increase tn
rspect caugefed the throne any Of the Institution,
sttschtd to And he trusted that by proceeding fur
ther In the sae direction and takag care well to mea
their steps in the advancement they made they
would contribute still further owards extending the
bappness of the people and increasing the general
perty Of the country while they would at the same
time be doing the best thing that could possibly be de-
tired BY firmly upholdiDg end maintaining the princi
pies Of The &C Ae had little 20 say With regard
TO the two other bills which would be introduced
corelsry to the bill which he proposed to bring In.
One would relate to Scotland and would make pro-
woua kewise reduce the qualification OF the voter from
fl0 to fs With to IreaEd this very subject had
20 recently engaged the attention Of Parliament; In re-
to that part OF the kiDgdo that 1t not neces
sary to detain the house upon that part Of the bill He
oid not propose however, TO make any alteration with
counties but with respect cities and boroughs
he proposed reduce the OF the from
Is to E5 as there coub. tne present restriction
greatly and seriously reduced the number Of electors
He trusted when this enlarged franchise given that
the next step tho house would tho OF the
country taking would be to consider the great question
tion Of the franchise less important than that
other Of extending the education Of tbs peopo. He
was convinced that after measure OF this kind was
carried would &c the duty OF tho house to consider
the meass Of adopting really national sysSc educt
tiop and In dong so he was sure they would confer
pom the country add its people OF the geeatest
blessings that could podhbly conceived He believed
The people almost prepared Tor this and stcr due
doussop he hoped some such measure would be carried
general assent He did not propose now TO enter
further into this SUBJECT he had stated the genseal
ss OF the govern meDt upon the bill which hs pro
ne hoped would sanction Of ,ture
I'D promote the hsppness Of the country.
Mr. HUME complained of emission OF ths ballot from
Tie Rtble LORDS proposition.
sir j. WALSH ceusutcd Lord J. Russell for rc-opesng
The question Il reform ana unsettIg tna i1stutons
f the country when 1t was not demanded OF desired By
lie country
Mr. H. BERKELEY raid that he should endeayor In the
prcgre,s OF the bill TO intro duce into it change for
syng TO the voters the necessary II ths os
Mr. HowAKD spoke briefly Ia isvor OF tie e1scason Of
he fuhrge.
iug q tne klgsn eeastitrtion by repeated
,i iefcIm ana especially objected &c the mixing up OF
ne religious question q Jewish disabilities with ths
merely political question inyoiVoa In the bill
MI BaIcHT, while he considered ths measure in many
e,pects very defective admitted that mary portions Of
! would give general satisfaction It's great fault
the omission Of the protection OF the ballot which he
nCrfde ed the noble loTd ia justice both to employ
FRS and employed bound to give If ne conferred any
large extension Of the suffrage.
Mr. HsiLfrfE claimed for the people OF ireland and
sootlsnd tuoh extension Of the franchise a. would
give them an equal and Proporaonss political power
Nith that enjoyed by the people Of England
MI y. RooHE urged tho necessity " thorough re-
ioin IN the representation Of Ireland
After g. iss words from Mr nEgDE.ATE ani NJ. TaE-
LAwNEY,
SIR J. WaiMslEY expyestedHs dissppoiBtment With the
which he declared totally unworcby OF .ne
Bouse aDd of the noble lord who had introouoedit IL.
IN 60 question lord JoHv Ru'srLL taii that
he would Icy the Ill upon he table on tRuesday next
and lossd 10 Ioaaog sridAy f9rS.
night.
cir II. vAvcr Mr. AUsrrN, sir j. TvRRsL and Colonel
S uIHoRr having spoken,
nr pIsRAFt pressed the noble loTd 70 give tho Haugs
ard he court: longer psroa for the contisrAon OF