The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1852-04-02
MIR. MANGUM.


| messed The honorable senator from New HAMPSHIRE
has remarked that naval officers need employment
Now, know no more about Tue anars o. the admins
body that has reelected upon the subject think the OBJ
ect OF this expedition commercial one purely at least
| think il ought TO be 80. have had no commanca-
ton with any member OF the cabinet upon this subject
need detan the Senate any longer therefore upon
the subject than to move for the present TO a me rsso
luton on the table, land do not intend 10 Withdraw I'D
with no disposition at ALL however, TO oppose It's being
taken up at future period il gentlemen shall 90 de-
eide. want more time upon IT, have indicated no de-
cded hostility to H. It is an unusual and unprecedented
one, far as know, and think the doctrines here
advanced wholly incompatible with the true spirit OF
our system Sir suppose il had been known during Mr.
Folks administration that we were 10 strike blow at
Vera Cruz. or Cerro Gordo. or elsewhere, and the
bellions iactous wings OF this body had called upon
/ Mr. Polk to inform US what the object Of that
petition, and where he intended TO strike next. Any
man who would have made such request OF the Elk
ecuve would have shown that he acted entirely against
all discretion, and in violation OF all The principles OF
good sense. move to lay the resolution on the table
Mr.. SHIELDS. viii the gentleman permit me to say
MIR. MANGUM | viii withdraw the motion if you
will renew it,
state that my objection TO the resolution was the
ground OF instructions. | think the honorable senator
the general force and general object Of The expedition
legitimate subject OF inquiry bat that the in
sruc,ons ought to be confidential and secret in case
OF this kind shall vote, therefore, against the laying
of the resolution the table, with view 10 amending
il, suggested BY the honorable senator from Del
aware, Mr.. BAYARD by striking out that part and only
calling for the general force and general object Of the
Mr. BORLAND So far as am concerned. will
agree the striking out OF the part suggested Mr. fes
ident. demand the yeas and nays on this motion.
The yeas and nays were ordered .
i Mr. CASS. Do | understand that the provision with
respect 10 instructions is stricken out
i The PRESIDENT. 1t is not
i Mr. CASS. The senator from Arkansas has agreed
The PRESIDENT He cannot have it stricken out
now.
i The question being taken the motion 10 lay the res
oluon the table, it rejeced-yeas IT. nays 3D.
i as follows:
son, FISH Foot, Gwin, Hale Mangum, Miller, Morton,
smith upSsan snd Badbury
Brodhead, cass Chase, Dodge Of Wisconsin Dodge OF
jones' Of tennessee, King, Mallory, Norris Rusk, sebas
tan Shields, Spruance. Summer, and Walker-A
The question then required the amendment Of the
senator from Delaware, strike out the portion relating
Mr.. RUSK. desire to apologize, under the rebake
administered by the honorable senator from North Caro-
lima mr. MANGuMl for entering into this debate am
very sorry followed the example which be set and
the senator and the Senate will excuse me this time,
Mr.. MANGUM. II will be very good example to
follow general thing
Mr. SHIELDS lsuggesi that the amsndmsn. under
that il will read "the force and general object OF the ex
Z petition"
q are two separate propositions.
The question being taken on striking out the part rela
ting Instructions was agreed toayes %. noes H.
: Mr.. SHIELDS. | now move the amendment have
e Mr. BORLAND. | suggest to leave out the word
d Mr. SHIELDS Very we'll Let il read ''the force
and object OF the expedition" want merely to get the
i size aud character OF the expedition
8 Mr.. BORLAND. ! intended to have il "objects'-in
a the plural-and desire 10 nave II SO changed.
The change the plural was made; and the question
i being taken, the amendment was agreed TO-
he nue
l. MIR. HALE | saw recently an order passed by
legislative body Of OF the States asking OF their
officers why he did certain thing, and the
that he never had done anything Of the sort Now, it
by asking the President why he has ordered naval
petition to the coast OF Japan Does anybody in the
! world know he has done it, Is there any such order
published any communication OF that fact to anybody
Is the Senate entirely in the dark and will il not be
well first 10 find whether any such expedition has
e oyns that ha. no
such thing For my own part, would not like to put
p myself in such position.
d Mr.. BORLAND demanded the yeas and nays on the
o passage of the resolution which were ordered
}. MIR. WELLER have regretted very much to-day
tina, the condition OF my throat has Precluded the pces
biy Of expressing my opinion upon the queson which
is rendered the important from the fact that ind
e it necessary differ from those with whom am poliu-
e csy associated have found that upon this question
/, have been thrown amongst those with whom have not
ordinarily been politically associated. Now il any sem
here viii rise up in his place and say that he has
been fitted out under the order OF the President OF the
United States for improper purposes, that that ex
petition il calculated TO operate against the public in
terest, will al for the resolution. For my
own part, cannot what good result from this
information, il transmitted 10 us by the President
e OF the United States. IL Is true that, by the terms Of
your resolution, you have left discretionary with the
President that he is TO communicate this information,
il incompatible with the public interest but The very
that he TO the Senate that he cannot
e give you that Information without compromising the
ID public interest," that very moment you have advertised
n TO the country that you have secret expedition, and
d that you dare disclose the motives intentions by
which you actuaed In that way you operate
!. ously against the public interest.
have long thought that there too much publicity
4. in our public negotiations This is age OF the world
when there is rivalry between the nations OF the earth
II for the OF the world and it is oenmes i'm
Portant that your advesaes, those who are contend.
ing with you tor the supremacy should not be enabled
to comprehend your movements until they shai have
y been made say that satisfied that serious lncon-
venences have resulted from giving too much publicity
these negotiations and II were an older member OF
this Senate should, perhaps. propose that your rules
should be so amended that resolutions like this, calling
upon the departments for information should be consid
cred in secret session, where could speak sent
e ments freely members Of family.
j. Now, | know nothing about this expedition except
this that suppose the object is to obtain, il possible,
access Japan TO open commercial negotiations with
that country and TO transport the unfortunate Chinese
cutter in the bay OF San Francisco, one OF whom have
d no doubt has long since paid the debt OF nature,
having considered himself in the custody OF an Of
he lou in 9TH in