The daily union., 1852-09-05
THURSDAY-ei O'clock.
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COMMISSIONERS To THE SANDWICH ISLANDS.
| Mr. HA MLlN. desire TO submit another amendment
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does it come IRON III,
Committee on Commercel
move TO add 10 the clause making appropriation for ~,
salary OF the commissioner TO the Sandwich islands, the
words from the time when he assumed the duties OF hs
ofhce al said islands" The clause will thea read
.For salary the lssioner to the Sandwich islands
office al i'd islands,
The amendment is designed to make the salary whtb
hxedby this bill apply to all the time during which he
has held his office. hal was the accommodation OF
the Secretary OF State Papers forwarded TO The
chairman OF the Committee on Foreign Relations, andby
they have been lost Upon The examrn-
uon which was made of them, however, believe lse
chairman OF the committee will say that he concurs in tie
suggestion There is also another proposition before tie
committee 10 make the additional payment the officer
who preceded the one who holds the office The
sons may be stated in very few words Ihe present
missioner is Mr. Severance, of Inc State of Name He
there after The discovery OF gold in California
and think my friend from California Mr.. WELLERl WI
tell the Senate what could tell them, II were take tie
trouble 10 read letter which have received here, that
very nearly the same prices obtain at the Sandwich
islands that do in California Eggs are 62i cents a
dozen chickens, dollar a-pece and everything else
proportion. The price of living has 80 much increased
there, that the of salary of the commissioner ha,
not been enough TO support his family during the time he
has been there. That Is The why propose thin
amendment
Mr.. HUNTER rise to a question of order. un.
dersand this amendment relates salary for past ser
vices. We have decided IN relation TO all claims for
past services that they under the rule which pro-
hibs US from receiving private claims amendments %
general appropriation bills. Ii adopt this, open
tne door Tor that class OF amendments and do know
when We shall get through with this bill. do hope
therefore, that the Senate will adhere the rule for lh.
purpose OF protecting this appropriation bill from multi
lude OF amendments that may be offered Ii this amend
men is received there will be large class Of amendments
coming in have OF doubt, in relation TO olhe
diplomatic agents, and shall be Obliged 10 conside
them The rule which has governed us has been this
that i is proper 10 appropriate in this bill for anything
provided or by law or by teaty, or the current service
OF The year. but when you provide past
wees that may be due, you introduce private bill lo
the purpose and act upon il as separate measure.
hope That ue will be adhered TO and the amendment
ruled out OF, order.
Mr.. WELLER. do not see the ground upon which
this amendment be ruled out. | understand th s
matter is submitted by the Committee on Commerce. AMI
is IN accordance with the recommendation OF the depart.
ment The Secretary OF State has undoubtedly recon
mended increase in The Compensation OF the comlns.
sioner 10 the Sandwich Islands. Whether that recon-
mendaion has been sent 10 The Committee Comm-r rec
or NOT do not undertake 10 say. am sure. however,
nai tue department, has recommended an increase IN his
compensation. Every one who knows anything about
thai country knows that II absolutely necessary thai
tue compensation OF this ocer should be Increased
utterly impossible for him 10 sub.ist even IN the most
economical mode upon the allowance that is made him
now iro N the national treasury
MIR. HUNiER. II The senator will allow me, / v i'll
slate tlat DO not object 10 the amendment far
proposes 10 lncrease the present salary but when you
undertake 10 reosectvely and co npen safe fo pas,
services, then comes within the rule which prevent.
The insenon OF private caim in appropriation bill,
whether recommended by committee not,
Mr. WELLER Tne Question is, whether The mere
TACT that sou go back and make allowance ior service
already rendered constitutes private claim within Tie
| reach Ui the rule | think not.
| Mr.. HAMLlN. No more than 10 pay for future SER
vices
Mr. WELLER, 1t constitutes no more private claim
70 pay Tor past service than for uture services the
Char, however, can lie cide that question.
Mr.. UNDERWOOD. ask The chairman OF the Com.
nltier on Finance whether the objection which he make
extends 10 cases OF this sol The Committee on Foreign
Relations had tie claims OF good many persons bef ne
them who acted the capacity OF charges at different
points fney were consus who, having performed the
dnues OF chages-he charges having, perhaps, been
moved-isked Tor the same compensation as allow
ell TO cnarges The Commitee on Foreign Relations had
determined to present smend nrnt OF that character,
and desire TO ak OF the chairman of the Commuiee
Finance u his objection extends TO all thar class of cases
and Il he intenus To raise The question for the pur.
pose OF having them ruled out na allowance shall
be tde for the salary which they have actually earned
| oy performing The dutes OF the Office
MIR. HUNTER So far as regards services rendered
Silhin The current year my objection does no, apply
but II IL IS for past rendered four or five years
ago think they ought to he ruled out Ifhs does not
constitute private claim, do not know what does Ii
does not come under law treaty, but under equitable
consideration, and that Tor past There - a ds-
lncton IN relation TO the services of the year.
because you make provision n this bill itself Tor them
MI MASON would suggest TO the senator IRON
Kentucky (Mr. UsDER Soopl that | think 1t would Be
ions asked for by the Committee Ftnsnce do or do
not come within the rule, until they presented.
@ hall Pre- pe's9' 9 ~ S9e9 within 1Be fSe any objection
raised.
Mr BADGER | desire to say one word upon this
question OF order-not at all about the merits OF the
amendment ITSELF II is little important that we should
have some rule which understand upon this subject
do understand that any exposition gwen TO this rule
by the Senate has excluded the consideration OF the
amendment for compensation public officer hold.
ing office. whether that compensation Is TO be merely
4 -. a..
gentleman were out OF office he private man,
and here for the purpose OF asking us TO give him
additional compensation for services Ieudered while he
in the public employment, would be case Tor
picaiion for private claim But understand that egs
stive OF this Dody respecting compensation OF
public officers whether il relates 10 the past or the future
compensation, cannot be considered in the nature OF
private claim | think we bad better vote upon the
amendment.
The PRESIDING OFFICER, (Mr. BneHr) As the
question is raised the Char is Of opinion that lie amend
met Is retrospectvepayng for past servicesand that
II therefore clearly within the rule. II the Senate
think differently TIE Chair will be pleased TO submit TO
their decision.
Mr.. RUSK. ! appeal from The decision Of the Chair.
This Is in office, and propose to raise his salary
ANY gentleman who will read the bill will find halt a
dozen cases like this provided for in The House oil Keep
resentstves
| Mr.. HUNTER There is no doubt about that
Mr., RUSk We have perfect right 10 raise the sal
AIRY OF public officer and certainly have right to
make il retrospective You have half dozen instances
IN point lutte while ago you appropriated money to
pay Tor arrearsges of salary to public officers who
in debt u is clearly not within the rule, IN my
opinion,
L fhen rotvfno he I'M