New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1852-05-31
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daton Of government would be any other tban an I'M
Wise stem We therefore consider that, until souls are
prepared 10 embrace and support in good faith the form
OF government BY which we are regulated, they stand
In ne ed Of some other which il lust wise and liberal
What you have said relative 10 being protected oy
the civil power, is 20 some considerable extent true
perhaps not however, the extent that our Trend
supOoses And this though not particularly sp. clnsd Is
embraced in the declaration As people we are CRATE
ful thst rights and privileges p'oea TO thai ex'
tent that we now enjoy tn, IN Ia this State and through
out the country But while cheerfuy sdnit nst the
Government established in this country Affords US oene
hcent protection decidedly OF the opinion soat
the idea expressed in the declaration soft answer
turneth away wrath. is truth not to b. ove1hrown
And believe may safely cay, that adherence TO tas
glorious principle L far more potent In )si. not AL
cases hsn is the civil power for the protection OF hose
who rely pom them As people our history furnishes
many important Illustrations OF this position 80 Also
does that Of the Quskers or Friends. Take tor ex'
ample the settlement of Pennsylvania by "nL rem
snd his associates where for the space OF seventy years
they lived in perfect peace with the socaed ferocious
Of the forest Indeed potent was the opera
ten of this principle upon the natives, mas D re-
corded of them that great the confidence II the
various tribes Of Indians bordering on Pennsyvsna IN
the wisdom and justice of the Quakers that IN matters
of great public concern ii common for them 20 senu
deputies the Quakers fer advice and they have been
prevailed upon to renquish wars which they nad con-
templated.'
Perhaps my friend may point me to the prosecutions
endured by the Quskers evidence that We ought
to employ the elective franchise to carry out the pnci
quite the clearly demonstrating that the secu
lar arm welded BY religious Ssory and superstition Ion
carnage rather than protection.
Fraternslly thine GEORGE
Remarks.
We regret our inability to come to an
understanding with friend George but, as he
and we cannot find terms which convey the same
meaning to his mind as to ours discussion between
us is Improbable, and this must end it.
George repels the imputation of sustaining
the No Government theory and yet proceeds
directly to affirm that theory alleging that, for
themselves, the Shakers need no human govern
ment, but those who do not possess their light do
need it, and to them THAT is, all the world except
the Shakers) eve most cheerfully accord the
right and privilege which we claim for ourselves
namely, to choose that form OF Government which
they may prefer to support and obey "-that is to
say, the Shakers, being thousandth part of the
whole community, choose their own form OF Gov
ernment and accord to every other fractional part
of the community the right 10 do the same. Tn
der this ri lie, the Rock oys Of our City choose
to be governed by their own leaders; the Short
Boys by theirs another class choose to take
another would prefer the Code Rynders; while
large and fearful body would say, We choose
to let everybody have free swing at everything,
and live merry and happy "a long as there shall
'bc mansions to inhabit, stores to plumber, or
women to outrage. We go in for the largest
liberty in all things and every one to do what
ever is right in his own eyes, Now, we quite
well understand that George would consider
this very wrong, but his fundamental idea OF Gov
eminent would not allow him to oppose to 1T any
efectual resistance-any resistance which the
champions of the large st liberty would not
laugh at. His doctrine is No Government In its
broadcast, worst sense, and no dexterty of definl-
ton can make il anything else. The fault is not
in his language but in his ideas, and he must re-
nounce them if he would be rid of it.
By Government in its broad, general sense, we
mean the confede1cy of the peaceful, Industrious,
proyident and just to protect each other against
rapacty and spoliation on the part of the turbu-
lent. indoIent. reckless and rascally-by moral
force, so far as that will co. by physical, when
moral force fails. To talk of Il Government which
those who choose obey and those who please dis
regard and defy with IMMUNITY, is to utter sheer
nonsense and standardization. The very idea
of Government implies that will prefer to
disobey its requirements, and will need to be awed
or coerced into obedience.
To all that George says in favor of soft
answers and mildness in government the avoid
ance of war &C., we say th It we deny his right
to appropriate those ideas to the nall party of
which he Is a member. We, with a great many
advocates of Civil Government, are opposed to
bloodshed, all violence, all nli ;ton of pain, er-
cept when and so far az it may be necessary to
make wron ,-doers desst from wroDg-doIng.
Whenever the offender truly ceases to offend, we
have no more quarrel with him, we have no
disposition nor will to do him harm, but wish
simply to make him deslst from doing harm to
others. To that extent we hold tn II our love for
him. as well as for others, rightfully impels us to
resist and constran his evil desires and propens-
ties Such We understand to be the law of the
Divine Government such, we think, should be
the rule of human government likewise; and we
see nothing in the case of William Penn, which,
fairly considered, initiates against it. When
either Quakers or Shakers shall place themselves
outside of the protection of Civil Government,
and there prove the feasibility of depressing and
repellng evil and wrong without force, we shall
be happy to receive the law from their mouths
and confess our previous ignorance of its require
ments not till then. [Ed.
.spirifuaIis '-Re jOinder to Richmond.
To the Editors # The " y. Tribune:
PROVIDENCE r. l., May %, 1852.