Weekly national intelligencer. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1841-1869, 1852-01-03


not competent for the Committee of the Whole tn
Of the Union originate business and therefore tn
resolution of the gentleman from Ohio was not in order
Mr. CARTIER appealed from this decision
Considerable debate then ensued as to the decision
the Chair, when
The question was taken the appeal and the decision
of the Chair oyerruled: Ayes 80 noes SO.
Mr.. BAYLY of Virginia, raised the question of orde
that special committees could only be appointed by tn,
Speaker, unless otherwise ordered by the House. Will,
the resolution offered by the gentleman from Ohio propos
ed the appointment OF special committee by the chair
man of the Committee Of the Whole the state Of the
Union. Ii was therefore not in order.
4 The CHAIR sustained the point of order
Mr.. STEPHENS said that he would object to the reso
luton under the lS6th rule of the House prescribing that
standing rule order of the House shall be rescindeo
changed without day notice being given and be
would also object to il under the seventeenth rule which
defined the privileges of the Hall The object of the re-
solution to extend this privilege an individual not
named in the rules and unless there nraction d
these rules, the resolution could be entertained
i The CHAIR concurred with the gentleman from Geor-
ga and stated that but for the decision of the House
few moments ago, he would sustain the point of order
Mr.. STEPHENS said that this an entirely distinct
/ point
The CHAIR thought that the Committee had suspended
all rules and now acting pretty much without them
Mr.. STEPHENS, of Georgia. Then, sir it amounts to
this: are in the midst of a revolution
! Mr. CAMPBELL, of Ohio moved to amend the reso-
luton by striking all thereof and substituting the
following:
Resolced That 50 much of the 18th standing rule as pro-
ydes for the admission of certain persons therein with
in the Hall Of the House of Representatives be modified
to embrace Governor Louis Kossuth of Hungary and that
the Speaker of the House be requested communicate
same to Governor kossuth.
Mr. c. said that he desired to have resolution adopt
ed similar the one which was adopted when another
distinguished friend of humanity this city about
q year ago; he alluded to Father Matthew. resolution
then adopted similar to the amendment he had lust
moved giving to that distinguished the privileges of
the hall.
Mr. STEPHENS, of Georgia. said that that was done by
general consent.
Mr.. CAMPBELL hoped that there would be no obec-
ton to the adoption of resolution of this kind now.
The CHAIR decided that the amendment was not in
order, because it upon different subject and pro-
posed to change standing rule of the House, which
quired one days previous notice.
Mr.. VENABLE moved to amend the resolution by in
sorting in lieu thereof the words that the Speaker
authorized to invite Louis Kossuh to seat within the
bar of the House."
Mr.. V. remarked that while he otinclined to
into any Of those public manifestations uch had been
made at the other end of the Capitol yet he disposed
to accord to Louis kossuh of hos courteses which
they had extended TO distinguished foreigners on other
occasions He would take occasion of this distn
guished foreigner that every hour arrival these
shores he had fallen in the estimation had formed of him
as statesman and any gentleman WHO would take the
trouble TO read his speeches. and lean the position he
had taken; would be satisfied that if lis doctrine be cor
rect there would be stopping place This Government
would have to take upon itself the wrongs of every people
suffering from oppression As representative of dis
tric in the State of North Carolina he would
TO involve this country in kossuths quarrels He
oced that he stood among the who refused to
congratulate France when she overthrow the throne Of
Louis Philippe and established republic; for he be-
ieyed then as he believed that Ill people who
entitled to liberty possessed it. and the why they
had It not because they would take it. All ma
tons who deserved liberty had it. and if they had it not
they would obtain it they deserved it. When
people should acquire the elements which consti-
civil liberty, it would grow up so naturally and
fix itself powerfully that all the Powers of the earth
could not destroy il. He opposed the Govern
ment of the United States engaging crusade for the
purpose OF settling and protecting the rights of all
tons and all peoples 1t part of our policy or
interest and whilst he sympathzed with this foreigner
whilst he acknowledged his patriotism whilst he would
not add one trouble to the anguish which now wrung
his heart when he described the wrongs Of his country
which wrongs he mr. w. had doubt he felt yet as
representative of the people and member of this
House, he could not consent to mpcate this Govern
ment in his quarres He wished Kossuth well and hoped
that he would be discreet and not maintain that
our Government and our people different
Mr. CARTIER did not desire to enter upon n genera
discussion Of matters collateral this resolution and he
trusted the committee would not do As he observed
when he submitted his resolution, he introduced it as
simple peaceful act of courtesy already made necessary
by the previous action Of this House and nation If the
committee to be involved in a discussion of
the general topic the friends of this resolution would be
ready to engage in it but he hoped that the question
might be taken that the the House would
be realized He hoped that the act Of the passage of the
NC as an act OF cOur
tesy the part of the House This all he intended
and with this view he desired that all amendments would
be voted down, and the original resolution passed de-
/ feated
Mr. McMULLEN moved an amendment to the original
resolution viz by adding thereto that said Committee also
introduce to this House Colonel Scott Hayne and such
others now in this city engaged in the late Cuban
expedition and who taken prisoners by the Spanish
authorities and have been since released"
The CHAIRMAN ruled the amendment out of order.
Mr. BROOKS said he intended to vote for the PROPOSE
ton of the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. VESA
BILE but he desired to accompany his with his rea
sons and to make translation of the vote he gave it.
1t the common practice of the House to settle ques
tons first by vote, and then debate about them after
son upon it now vert along and to send out our
reasons with votes. And especially was it due
to the lustrous gentleman whom it is proposed receive
to say with franknes and freedom, what we mean by it.
so that he cannot misunderstood he does permit
to misunderstood him. We are about TO make mark
in the history Of this Government very significant mark
and our own people have right TO know the
ing of it and those who after have right the
translation we put upon it. To receive q distinguished
foreigner with committees of Congress- or TO formally
welcome him. is uncommon thing in this Governments
and hence when do it. should not leave silent votes
behind that may speak oraculary, this way that but
should put upon the record Just what we mean-we
who do it, more especially the distinguished stranger
gives very free, and often altogether un-American def
milton to what do or mean to do.
have hesitation, therefore, continued Mr. b.. in
saying here, that, in welcoming Kossuth, l. for one mem
Der of this House. do not commit myself to any
Intervention in interference with the affairs Of the
continent OF Europe Of this continent do not mean
to 20 the record pledged disturber of the public
peace in any part of the world do not mean to have
said that am written down as committed by my action
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