The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1852-01-01
In CONGRESS OF THE U. STATES
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 81, 1851
HOUSE oE REPnEsESTATIv
Alter the reading OF the journal
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Mr. STANLY rose 10 the point of order which he made
yesterday the resolution 10 stop the debate On the
resolution OF Mr. CARTIER in hall an hour after should
be again taken up in COMMITTEE OF the Whole on the
state OF the Union He held that the rule providing Tor
stopping debate referred TO debate only on bills or meas
referred the Committee of the Whole on the state
OF the Union by vote OF the House.
The SPEAKER explained that in his judgment this
subject came legimately under the rule.
Mr. BAYLY held that The Speaker could only know
what the Committee OF the Whole on the state OF The
Union had considered by the chairmans report In this
case the Chair should Tecoect that report had been
made showing that Mr.. CARTTER's resolution had been
considered IN the committee
| Mr.. GIDDINGS demanded order He desired to know
whether there appeal from the Speakers decision.
The SPEAKER here caused an extract from the jour
nal bearing Out his decision TO be read by the Clerk for
the information of the House
| The resolution OF Mr.. CIIEGMAN TO stop the debate
was read again. on demand of Mr. STEPHENS, OF Georgia.
| The SPEAKER explained. The message of the Presi-
dent had been referred to the Committee OF the Whole
the state of the Union II contained reference 10 Kos
suth and the manner Of his reception He therefore ruled
that the resolution proposing 10 stop the debate on he
resolution to determine the OF his reception
in ORDER and also that the House properly had cognzane
of the latter resolution.
Mr. BAYLY made an additional point OF order He
held that debate could be stopped by resolution one
part OF the message only.
Mr. JONES, Of Tennessee. appealed, and argued 10
show that was not competent under the rules for the
House 10 etop debate on part OF measure without
stopping il on the whole. He demanded the yeas and
nays on his appeal.
| The Clerk here read the rule stating how debate
should be stopped by resolution on bills, sc.
on that motion Mr. JONES. Of Tennessee called Tor for
| the yeas and nays which ordered
| Mr. GIDDINGS asked the Chair whether, if on arri-
wing at conclusion in Committee OF the Whole the
of the Union part OF message Of the Preslde
it not the practice OF the chairman to report the fact
and then the of the House to dispose OF that pa
of the message without reference 10 the rest which
no such report had been made.
Mr. STEPHENS of Georgia, inquired whether !he
/ nhar cnulI cita IN in
the House has acted on part OF presidential message
reported from the Committee OF the Whole on the state
Of The Union as stated N the point OF order made oy he
The SPEAKER could not cite any such action at this
| time.
Mr. TAYLOR inquired what would be the effect Of lay
| ing the appeal on the table
The SPEAKER replied, to sustain the decision of the
Chair
Mr. TAYLOR added, I" and to gag the balance of the
The Clerk then proceeded TO call The yeas and nays on
the motion to lay the appeal on the tabe--wh the fol-
lowing result, viz: yeas 81 nays 65.
SO h @ @aPsa ss"s aa oa es as sss
the resolution Of Mr. CaaTTER should be again taken up
which was read blythe Clerk once more for the nforma
tion Of the House.
i Mr.. CAMPBELL OF Ohio, demanded 10 know II an
amendment was in order
| MIR. CLINGMAN reminded the Chair that he had on
the day before demanded the previous question agree
/ ing TO his resolution 10 stop the debate
The SPEAKER said that he recollected that the gen.
tleman from North Carolina had demanded the previous
question: though the question sustaining that demand
/ had not been put 10 the House.
MI. STEPHENS, of Georgia, demanded to know
whether the call for the previous question had been en-
tered on the journal.
The SPEAKER (after examnation) replied that it was
not on the journal; yet he distinctly recollecled that MIR.
CLiNGMAS had made the demand. Here he explained at
length the circumstances OF the proceedings the
s oue THE cG ss S e had
then stated 10 the House that the previous question had
been demanded
MIR. GENTRY desired to read the Globes report Of the
proceedings OF the previous day. IN which The fact that
Mr.. CLscMAs demanded the yeas and nays duly ap-
peared
Mr CAMPBELL, OF Ohio, held that the journal, and
not newspaper, the record by which the House
should be governed in this matter. Mr. C. also argued
that The question the previous question could not be
pu, until The journal had been corrected in the particular
| in which il was so clearly defective.
| The SPEAKER overruled this point OF order
| Mr.. CAMPBELL, of Ohio. appealed from this de-.
Mr.. MARSHALL. Of Kentucky, demanded the yeas
| and nays-on the appeal.
Mr.. FICKLIN moved to lay The appeal on the table.
| Mr. MARSHALL, OF Kentucky, asked the yeas and
nays on the motion TO lay the table: ordered.
MIR JONES, Of Tennessee, requested the Speaker to
state the precise question 10 be voted many gentle
men in the vicinity OF his seat did not understand it,
The SPEAKER then explained the question 10 be on
the appeal from the decision sustaining the right OF Mr.
CLrsemAs TO call for the question his demand for the
previous question made on the day before
Mr.. CAMPBELL, o Ohio, held that while he had the
floor 10 offer amendment, it was not competent for
MIR CLrSGmAs TO demand the question on his call for
the previous question.
Mr. COBB, oi Alabama, rising to an additional point
OF order made some remarks which the Reporter could
not hear with sufficient dstncness TO presenit here.
Mr.. CLlNGMAN insisted on having his privileged
motion put He was entitled te make IL on the moment.
Ar CAMPBELL. Of Ohio, gave up tho aoos for any
purpose whatever.
The SPEAKER remarked that he would decide all the
points OF order in the order in which they bad been
made and then ruled (afier explanatory that Mr. CLING
MAN was entitled first TO move to amend the journal,
iha, being privileged motion
Mr. STEPHENS, OF Georgia, asked whether It was
competent Tor any member TO take the floor from Mr.
.MppEII of Ohio even 10 make what is most clearly
privileged motion.
The SPEAKER explained that, after the call for the
previous question had been made. Mr. CAMPBELL, OF
Ohio was not rghlfully entitled to the floor, and that
thar fact had governed him in his decision last above
announced
Mr. CAMPBELL, Of Ohio appealed from this ruling.
MIR OLDS moved to lay the appeal on the table; and
on that the yeas and nays were called and order
ed When after much coniusion the Clerk proceeded
with the roll call on the last notion with the following
result Yeas 100, nays Al
So the appeal being laid the table, and the question
recurring the proposition TO amend the Journal II was
so ordered.
The question next REQUIRED on the adoption Of the
resolution to stop the debate in half hour after the
House should again take up Mr.. CARTTERs resolu'
ton in Committee ol the Whole the state OF the
Union.
Mr. JONES, OF Tennessee, rising to privileged mo-
ton, remarked that tomorrow the brst oil the new
year. and that on the next day members would not be
inclined for business He would therefore move that
on Saturday next
On tnis motion The yeas and nays were called and