The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1852-06-18

Of the committee, in not giving any notification
Of their sittng and in not examining me, although
in an adjoining office, consider it was kept igno-
rant; not from any other Word or action.
1t being now half past FIVE o'clock Mr.. Tillou said
he bad an engagement which he was obliged 10 ut
tend. When coming be did not anticipate being de-
tanned so long
Mr.. Craven said there were two gentlemen engi-
neers whose business lay out Of the city, and whom
he wished to have examined, as to the sewer in
custom Although he did not admit the right Of
the Corporation to go behind his Judgment, with
respect to that sewer, yet he was willing. in this in
stance, 10 waive his dignity, and bolster up his
opinion by the testimony Of others; although hay-
ing been appointed Chief Engineer, he was placed
there for the very purpose Of deciding questions Of
this kind and therefore did not admit the right O..
his opinion, on works committed to his charge, be-
ing effected by the testimony Of massns about town
The Chairman adjourned the meeting TO four
clock on Tuesday.
SECOND DAY--TuEsDAY, JUNE Is.
The committee sat at A o'clock. Alderman Tie
man in the chair. The other members present
were Alderman Sturtevant and Alderman Bris-
ley.
The cross-examinaton of A. W. Craven, by Re-
corder Tiou, was then resumed
Mr.. Tillou Cooking at published letter )-Can
you, your own knowledge, state any unjust or
improper act the Common Council, by which in
jury has been done to property holders
Mr.. Willard objected to this mode of examine
ton, which gave rise to considerable desutory con-
versation.
Mr.. Tillou said, that TO save the time which
would be wasted in endless discussions as to what il
was proper to ask and what it was not he thought
Mr.. Craven should be requested to explain what he
meant by his charges, and to give whatever facts he
knew in substantiation of them.
Mr. Wizards only objection was that Mr.. Craven
was too open and candid in his answers TO every
question which might be proposed. not seeing TO
what they might lead ana required to DE checked
There were certain charges made, which Mr.. Craven
was willing 70 prove ty facts which would be
brought forward IN the course which they deemed IL
advisable to pursue. But he did not deem il fair to
be anticipated in that course by his learned friend
There was no charge Of corruption made, with
regard 10 the sewer in question; that was hypo-
thetica clause towards the conclusion OF The letter
10 which the Recorder drew attention; and if his
learned friend inquired into and required an expla-
nation Of every inference which would suggest it.
self. i must be seen at to what inquisitor
al investigation into the thoughts and meaning Of
Mr. Craven it would give rise
Mr. Tillou disclaimcd any desire to entrap Mr..
Craven by ingenuity. TO pursue any neuistorial
course OF examination. All he wanted from Mr..
Craven was those facts which he grounded the
allegations made TO tie public respecting the Com
mon Council
The chairman said that tho Common Council
stood in n very peculiar position. While they had
been continually harped at as corrupt and unjust.
they never had hitherto been able to- get anything
tangible on which 10 lay hold One person or an
other might come with story that the Council re-
ceived payment on this or that: h1t these were
fdential, and could be made nothing Of. Mr.. Graz
ven was the first person who had come forward
manfully, and attached his name to such charges;
and he, for one not willing TO let this slip
through hout full investigation Of every charge
brought forward in his letter
Alderman Sturtevant thought they should confne
themselves % the charges respecting the Committee
on Sewers. in the case Of the Tenth avenue sewer
Mr. Willard would promise the committee that no
fact would be kept back with respect to this case Or
anything arising out Of i, which would serve to on
lighten the committee in their inquiry; and if the
Recorder put his question in another form, he would
make no objection to Mr.. Craven answering Il.
EMr. Iilou then put the question as iollows-Do
You know Of any other facts circumstances beyond
what you have already stated in relation 70 the sub
ject under investigation!
Mr.. Craveni DO not. al present. reoollect any, Of
my own knowledge.
Mr.. Tllou-You speak Of :" other circumstances
and details in reserve" Do you know Of any other
circumstances details, referred 70 the closing
clause Of your publication, beyond what you have
stated IN Your examination!
Mr.. Craven-Nothing connected with the case
which / can now recoect. Of my own knowledge.
Mr.. Tiilou-YUu say mr. Smith called on Won.
Can you recolleci the words used il thai. con-
yersation!
Mr., Crayen-No. sir. not the exact words gave
you the substance = what 9as maze Vi import
anee IN this matter il M direct testimony.
~ Tillou-Do ycr recc|iec' his assi eni0g any rev.
sons for his arplic1;ionl 10, s5. II vos Tccolcct
what reaFons you assigned tim for re!usugl G.:
mon f
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rtag,rs thai ~, cncigoor womb osyo srr 10. 81. !
c.ecirg IL that season Win hydraulic Inaeonry
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weathtrwas reccz;rr-a s'tt we'll ma rstood IN M
ciuee,s. and cSaA sn,d in III mart q; the world.
exclusive of th;s t.f uI,ep II, .sAs himself avnro1
that this WAS Il general r,ile II ibe dprassueft IN
which ~ coutr.Gt- wcrc made Tucs X SONS 4 4
not 90 INTO 81 particularly with him n 4 word ar
two was sufficient h convey 7av reasons Ia Ei.n-be
being acquainted With tie conditions 81 the con-
tracis and. SUPPOSE acquainted wien tic rules 81
engineers under such circumstance; I mentioned
the general rule made IN IN contracts and which
Mr. Pollock had agreed IL GA signing his contract
md stated that m exception 81 -hi case wod'd III
volye the Departments in endless, trouble. don't re-
collect giving any more reasons Those gave SOLE
~ rs matter Of courtesy for no reasons could o.
REQUIRED 81 me beyond tie contract
Mr.. Tiou--To whom did you give permission.
that winter. ~ proceed with similar work.
Mr.. Cgaycn-i shall answer your question. preced-
ing il Nv the remark that j do not while giving
testimony ii respect 70 charges preferred ~ ne, ae-
Knowledge your right TO put questions tending 70