The daily union., 1852-05-08
THE UNION WASHINGTON SATURDAY MORNING MAY g 1852.

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where is the Senate in 10 these appropriation bills
They originate IN the House; their committees put what
asy please y 'es@Ssy eons Sgs senas ana x dn5Ss f
propriey OF making the amendments where they deem
them practicable But yet you cannot move an ainspdt
ment7yon cannot make an addition 10 an appropriation
Nov. Mr.. President il the honorable senator from
Indiana Mr. BReHrl is willing that We should sii here
registers OF the DEGREES OF the House OF Repre-
sentaliyess | am not The committee OF which have
the honor 10 be member have great and Important
ecs under consideration connected with The public well
fare II IS our duty TO examine INTO tDem and see what
is proper 10 be done In respect 10 the and while make
no objection 10 the rule that individual senators shall
not propose such amendments, thlnk u ls hard unjust
and Injurious 10 The public service, and Inconsistent with
the just prerogaves of this body that standing com
nee cannot propose 10 the consideration o the Senate
amendment for appropriation which they think the
public interest OF the country requires This resolution has
not been sprung upon the Senate u has been lying upon
the table for weeks and have waited patiently to have
il adopted II seems The sense OF The Senate must
be ascertaned by this time. If they are disposed
10 agree to Il, shall feel grahed II not, will submit
and bow to the will OF the majority, as always do that
Mr.. BRIGHT. | asked for the postponement, for the
reason that have not had opportunity 10 examine IT.
bssa s as stated h !" Ss Tor
what It's effect will be upon the other rules. H Hsa
Mr. HUNTER II Il be the wish of the Senate to
postpone u anul Monday, will ask to have the dehcien
! Mr. BADGER will only say ,hatI have no personal
interest ~ the matter As far as individually con
cerned, do not care whether the alteration is made
ornot proposed this member Of this body, and |
have no doubt will meet the almost universal concur
renee OF this body have idea that our rules like
Scripture, the honorable senator from Indiana lMr.
BRIGnT seems 10 suppose, absolutely perfect and in
capable OF being amended and therefore ought be per-
maAent,.as he seems 10 suppose.
/ Mr. HUNTER move that this resolution be post
poneda until Monday next 5.,.. ~.
The motion disagreed 10. I. ASH. o.-s1
Mr. RUSK | hope the amendment will be adopted.
/ willing the
consider entirey ridiculous In the first place,
ator here from sovereign State get up and offer
porant, and urgent and necessary il may be, unless he
irs goes and gets the sanction OF OF the heads of
the departments That is Just The condition, sir and
will never make such an appication-- will never ask
them for leave TO introduce anything which may deem
important necessary and proper for the public ser
vice, and for the advantage Of my own State. n.1 , ,
Now, sir, according TO this amendment, instead of
compelling you TO go to the head OF department for the
sanction OF proposition in order TO introduce II here II
only requires that you shall have the leave of commit
tee to do it, And, sir, not Senate committee 10 be as
much trusted the head OF department? The fact is,
the whole rule goes upon the ground that this power
should be taken from Senate and placed al the disposal
and discretion Of heads Of departments suppose that
when members OF the Senate get up and propose
that injurious to the public interest," either from the
will not be found 10 sanction such abuse But some
do not think and in order TO arrest the guardianship
we are required TO cap in hand" and ask some head
OF department whether We shall oler amendment TO
an appropriation bill And now, SIT, when we ask to be
relieved from this degrading position and transfer the
power TO committee composed Of five members OF our
own body, il seems we are TO be refused even that
| Mr. HUNTER think that the senator from Texas
[Mr. RusKl does not fully understand the rule which he
has gratuously condemned donot under ersand il, al
i least that member is required before he offer
amendment here 10 Appropriation BILL TO go and procure
sanction OF the heads Of departments The design of the
rule not to departments the entire supervision OF
our business. The design OF the rule is this II is design
ed place The business here it stands in the House II
was supposed that the Committee on Finance, and the
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10 report for the purpose OF carrying out existing laws
for the purpose of sustaining the estimates founded upon
law And This provision in relation to estimates given
TO prevent minority IRON controlling and pressing these
4 measures.
know the construction Of the rule has been somewha,
opposed to Offering an amendment which rs not founded
upon direct estimate, unless 1t first receive the
neDdalion OF heads OF departments But am not op.
posed the amendment OF the senator from North Caro-
lna Mr. BADGER on the contrary Il acquesce in IT,
provided that he also agrees 10 the other amendment in
relation 10 estimates. Sir, believe il is practica
bic and wholesome bill and, far from having the
tendency which the senator from Texas Mr.. RUsKl in
Inmates, is rather respectful to committees; for il
throws the originating OF all new business into the hands
proper Committees and takes il from the Finance
4 Mr. ArCHISoN agree with the senator from Tex.
as II recolect anght was opposed to he passage OF
scinded II can attain my object by moving TO strike
out from this resolution all after the word resolved
substitute for the proposition submitted by the senator
from North Carolina, will do so The old rules as they
stood before this 30th rule adopted left il discretion
with the Senate. Any member OF the Senate might
offer amendment 10 appropriation bill was then
matter of discretion with the Senate whether TO sus
tain the proposition 10 reject IT, they would decide
upon amendment to any other bill wish 10 get back
10 the old rule. do not want the intervention OF COM
miitee do not want 10 be shackled even by commit
tee will make the motion, be in order, TO strike ou,
all after the word resolved" and to insert the words,
i /" that the 30th rule be hereby repealed"
Il Mr. UNDERWOOD. | hope that will prevail, and
think my friend from Indiana Mr. BRIoHTl is the last
gentleman In this House who ought 10 object to H. III
recolect atgh was upon his motion, without the
ton OF a committee, without any report from commit.
tee without any Recommendation from department,
that, under the old order OF things, appropriation
made for marine hospital at Evansville and joined
with him most heartily. That appropriation was made
proceeding entirely from his MOTION think
the rest OF who represent other States ought 10 have
the privilege, II anything interesting to our States occurs
4 and IL we have The ability and power to convince the
Senate OF the propfieiy OF its adoption. We ought 10
have the privilege OF bringing forward propositions,
and submitting them to the calm Judgment oil the Senate
want that privilege myself andterefore hope the propo-
sition OF the gentleman from Missouri will prevail.
4 Mr.. BRIGHT. When objected 10 the consideration
OF the resolution this morning. stalled that dd II with
odt understanding the OF the question pre- by
the senator from North Carolina and that only objected
for that desired little time 10 examine il,
lest the harmony OF rules should be marred by its m
lerpoation. recoIec very well that when the rule
numbered 30 was offered by the senator from Virginia as
an amendment, IL was hailed all this chamber as
rule calculated TO prevent improper legislation At the
close OF every session. each member who had had up
al the last hour OF The session 10 fastep II upon the
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