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The resolution was adopted-Messrs. Ingalls, and -
son In the negative -
Mr. Jorossor offered the following which was uaa.S
mously adopted without debate =
Rssoi,sd lhst wo recommend ,0l a.
place q The present sy'ts% Of town snpsr.ndoN sad
that Of the proposed county superintcndents
Mr.. JcHosNor offered the following
Resolved That this Convention recommend that porte.
81 the tax for tho support OF common schools be raises "
Nh J,repcated views presented in the afternoon.
II was here decided that MIR Hebron the Secretary
and MIR lohonnot be committee to fill any vacsncias
that may occur In the committee by the Convention
iron non acceptance or otherwise
MIR BnIe,Am supported the resolution. The doctrine
Shs .ha' the property Of state should educate the
OF town should educate tho children Of town. in
Massachusetts?
Mr. INGALLS, thought tn ere were subsantial reaso-s
against it. For instance in town there are thros
or -four banks Their capital Is there while the
majority of it Is owned elsewhere 1t IA going backwards
again. 1t formerly the law that each should
raise "a much by tax 1t received from the State.
Under the law Of 1910 that tax transferred TO the
county. still equitable system had been siucs
adoptode State tax. II taxation to be resored
at oil the only proper rule to be guided by to 1!
most equitable The fact IL that the more you
the circle Of taxation the more inequabe IL becomes
" the school district taxation under the OF
1s4p In Watcrown tof instance In enc district with one
ty. In another across the street. with double
the number OF children the taxable property Is perhaps
S1OOt0o. state tax can no proved to be moro egui-
table for carrying out the principle which tho whole
system Of free education rests Than either distsct.
town or county tax In NO care the taxation. in
district tewn. county. be equal II unequal and Ia
equitable for the whole it Is equally for quarter
any other ratio free school system talked Of by
some which shall in all exactly balance teelf
With State fund of $500 geo, or some other II
So, ms suppo,cd some quarters that the thing
out just in every and just pay for
the education Of the children in dsricno more,
no less. But district will have good school tor
mont bs i'm the year and another four months How can
one have fiom the public ia a they want and the
other no more than they need You must fall back
district tax. rate bill. What Is wanted beyond
the public money give the trustees to rae by tax
and then they viii have Just such school as they want
GET all fl, M the State fundget all you By
state taSand then let the balance be raised by the
districts
The PRrupEsr--How would you divide the public
money!
Mr. INGALLS, repeated his former statement
Mr. SHELDON deplored the idea Of large fund whetlar
from State tax otherwise No interest felt unless
there something TO pay. You must home to
the people and them and hence he in favor Of
raising enc hind the amount by town tax
Mr. IHGAiis would like to know what stronger stmu-
lus for maintaining schools there could be- than to draw
money proporonay for each teocher and for the oggc
gate Of school attendance And moreover, the dedoen-
cy in districts must be raised by district tax whether
you have town tax or no-or by no human ingenuity
could the money be hpnortioned any general prin
cnlo as to come out even
Mr.. BRIGHAM thought the trouble in distributions here
t9iorc had arisen from the want of proper supervision
He would have board of education send uien around
the State. to find out what wanted and where there
was necessity for school, establish ~ and with the
money on hand, pay for IT, There Is then. further
tnx about IL; the money II Paid, and the amount
,iuircd. This no beeved to be the most equitable plan
that could be adopted.
Mr. BL,scHApp was in favor of MIR. Ingalls, plan OF
distribution. and Of a town tax
The resolution then adopted, with two three
Mr.. JonoSsor offered the following resolutions, which
adopted without Discussion
Resolved, That recommend the extension OF tho priv
eple OF normal schools for tho professional culture II
RESOLVED. That we recommend the permsnent approprs
oS M sa d h oowps
ResS,ed That union schools should receive spsci Ad.
MIR. BnrGn, thought they mixing up things toe
Gl.t. rl,fEA ,a..
for. would attend to these matters.
Mr. IroAlrs thought things looked like making this
Beard Of Education an immense central power. Thcy
to appoint the state and district snpern'e ndents
roveiDg agents. where school is wanted to set up
to expend the public money-in word central Coz
Mr. BnleHAM again insisted that they had no motive
but TO do right, as they lad no pay.
The PRESIDENT understood the Beard of Education to
be executive not legislative They do not make laws.
Mr.. INGALLS, did not 40 understand It,
Mr.. JoHorNor advocated aid and encouragement to
union schools.
The PnFsprNr expressed his appreciation of Mr. In
allis plan of distribution lie wished to know If the
xpen Of education. under tho plan Of union schools,
Vas greater than otherwise!
Mr. JoHosNor said they could employ better teachers,
and provide better education.
The PEDsiDEsr-Iben don't they get an equivalent for
the greater expense
Mr. IsaLs thought they did and hence The danger of
injustice in fostering particular class OF schools
Mr. .onoNNoT sad his object was to present principle
Mr. lNGALLs-rhere is abundant agreement always as
TO general principles but to how to carry them into
practical effect, there the rub. Here comes the
difficulty and hence il had come Almost all were
in Of free schools. Yet how difficult had 1t been
found carry out the system satisfactorily This
looking details causes all the trouble we have had or
shall have We may well commence rst as last to
into details, for that IL the real work
Mr. HolBnooK said they might express their approba-
they might declare the fact In that form, he would like
the resolution better
Mess1s BprGu,si and ISoALLs concuired On the sug-
gctioD of the latter the resolution altered the
following form, and unanimously adopted -
Resolved That the school law should favor the forma-
oil
On motion Resolved, That the Com,' ttee a school
are SI'Sy % p"'sn tho OIL 'h'r
Mr. $. J. g. swEEzEr OF oncida) offered the follow
Resolved, That tie educational interests Of this ssats
Of children st school Tor reasonable time during each
yesr. y prrrs (oe svroouso, .,orr,,v ornror,, ~,
and referred to Boston place where IL
was carried into practical effect
The pnEsiDENI-This Is great subject and which
might wen occupy long discussion such at that Ia.s
hour of the evening could not be given It, The question
had been agilated in Massachusetts sud probably the
plan would eventually be adopted but as yet there had
been no legislative action It, II matter which
must be acted On with great caution
Mr SHELDON did not doubt the right Of the state to
compel attendance after ii he'd provided the means but
" was mpIactcabe. IL needed In Boston they de-
dire ii, but could not got the legislation.
Mr. BErrs inquired II this was not now the case IN
MIR BRt HAM could answer that IL was not. What bo
wanted was law compelling regularity Of Attendance
that the labors q the school may not be injured By
irregularty as now u was lmIracticabie 10 compel
Mr. BrITs sold that what lac desired-rcgularty in
those who attended Ut all
Mr. SwFEzEY explained that school officers would Of
course make exceptions whore from poverty other
causes. absence was Indispensable
The resolution was laid on the table.
II was suggested that the report Of the COMMITTEES
should be published early the first Of November
that hepubc may have time TO examine IL prior the
az emblinQ Of the convention which Is to consider t
Wh,reupon the convention. nc half past ten o'clock
adiourped subject the call of the Committee Of Seven
Police Intelligence.
III e matter Of H. s. Haighi.-i eserday, in the case Of
IIaeht in reference to the sale OF certain passage
tickets to Caforsa any further hearing in the matter
was postponed until Wednesday next in consequence
Of sickness In the family of Mr.. Phillips counsel for the