The daily union., 1852-09-11


.nenI These estimates less than the expenditure o
the preceding year, and we did not choose to in
e Ieaucllons made by the House Of Representatives
ana give occasion Tor deficiency bill which we be-
leyed would have to be introduced if reduced the
appropriation not merely below the expenditures OF last
year. but below the estimates
Ihe amendment was agreed TO-
Mr. HUNTER. A similar amendment occurs in the
lohoWng clause; The Committee on Finance recon /.
,s, ena aa. -hve be stricken out OF the last line
Dut one, and 'ninety-hve" inserted Ii will then read
For odnanc, stores and supplies as follows For pro-
carement Of side arms and accou,remen,s of artillery
anuy cavalry and riemen, materials for and preparation
oi siege ana hed ammunition wages OF mechanics
ssssa 70 msainE ua carriages eqaipmeats har
ordnance stores for issue TO the army, $95,0O0"
The committee have acted on the same grounds in this
80 IN the preceding There was nothing in the pa
pes accompanying the estimate 10 show any for
reducing this appropriation for the purchase OF ordnance
stores and supplies from $95 900 10 65 000 and il
therefore restored for the committee apprehended that
u the estimate be cut down below that amount, there
would be another deficiency bill sent in
The amendment was agreed to-
The next amendment OF the committee was TO add to
the second section the following:
But nothing herein contained shall be SO construed as
70 prevent the President from authorizing appropriations
Tor the subsistence OF the army for forage Tor the medical
and hospital departments, and for the de-
branches Of expenditure in the department and
,opra,ions made for specific object for fiscal year
shall not be transferred to any other object after the expi
tatlon OF that year"
The section will then read
"SEo q And be it further enacted That all parts
Of acts authorizing the President of the United States
transfer any portion OF the moneys appropriated par
cular branch Of expenditure in that department be ap
piled TO another branch of expenditure the depart
ment be- and hereby, far relates the Depart
ment of War; Iepeaed and portion OF the moneys APP
expenses incurred prior the first day of July, 1852 But
nothing herein contained shall be prevent
OF the army, for forage the medical and hosp
tai departments and for the Quar,ermaser's department.
hn lad al
ofexpendiure in the department and appropriations
made for specific object for fiscal year, shall be
transferred to any other object after the expiration OF that
year"
| Mr.. HUNTER. 1t will be observed that this clause.
il from the House of Representatives, took away
the power OF transfer entirely. II also provided that no
portion OF the moneys appropriated for this year should
be applied 10 the payment OF any OF the expenses in-
Cured during previous years. On consultation with the
Secretary of War; il was found that he had objection
that portion of the bill which provides that the appro
priaons for the fiscal year shall be confined 10 the
pendue of the year. But it thought that the pro-
vision in relation the power OF transfer had been
that il shall be put the ootng of the law of 1920,
cutting of the powers of transfer granted under the act
Iof lS42 under which, in my opinion, all the difficulties
have had their origin.
The amendment was agreed TO.
The next amendment of the Committee Finance
to insert in the third section the words printed in
aal,cs, so as 10 make the section read as follows:
SEC. And be II further enacted That much of the
act making for the support Of he army for
Of September 1850, provides pay the commits
stoned officers and enlisted OF the United States
In force for year from Is, day OF March,
so and that the provision OF The lastmenoned act be-
year. provided for by this section and that $500 900 be- and
Is hereby appropriated for that purpose Provided, That
men ,haa be raansa uniu tsy are honorabiy discharged
Provided frthu That said officers and shall
only onehaf Of the increased amount the regular
allowed by law"
Mr. HUNTER. The Committee Finance propose
this amendment In pursuance OF recommendation from
the Secretary of War. 1t will be perceived that the
section grants additional pay TO the in California
and New Mexico and the Secretary states that the de-
enton Of half the additional pay until the dis
charged will tend TO prevent deseriioDs
Mr. SHIELDS The amendmen, is, in my opinion,
very correct one; but find that the whole section is
very different from the estimate and plan which the de.
parment furnished me- The estimate is far less than
the ameun actually requisite to accomplish the object
MIR HUNrER | will state, for the information OF
The senator from Illinois, Mr. SHIELDS, that il seems
there has been correspondence, according 10 The papers
which we have, between the Committee of Ways aad
Means and the Secretary OF War. He made estimate
OF what the total amount would be- IL the previous al.
owance given, but he thought might be down;
hut did not say how much II might be reduced The
Committee OF Ways and Means cut II down one.haf ;
and as had rule to go by and had increased, in
some instances, the amounts they recommended, we
thought il would be better to adhere to their determine
lion in this case.
Mr. SHIELDS know what the previous allowances
were and they would oveuun this estimate about
lhree-fourths. The amendment which have prepared
will decrease them but II is perfectly satisfactory 10 the
department, because the exigency does exist
now at least not 10 the extent for increase OF
pay. did some time since. | find that this section
lakes the whole allowance, and makes a lump OF it,
Mr. HUNTER ! would suggest TO the senator from
Illinois that II he has any amendments to offer, he had
better wait until those recommended by the Committee
Finance passed We have but one more besides
that now under consideration.
The question taken the anne ndment and il was
agreed to.
The next amendment OF the Committee on Finance
was to add the following additional section
sEo. dnd be Il further enacted, That all the pended
balances remaining OF sums priated for fooaton
and now liable the surplus fund, hereby
appropriated"
Mr. HUNTER II will be remembered that in the
civil and diplomatic bill clause in relation TO the
plus fund inserted providing that alter two years a
been informed by Colonel Tot,cn that il is necessary TO
insert this clause here for the purpose OF enabling the
department TO make OF some unexpended balances for
the purpose OF keeping the Notifications in repair My
information leads to believe that considerable lneon
venience would be caused by its omission, il the clause
in the civil and diplomatic bill to which have referred
becomes law, and forthcation bill should pass this
session.
The amendment was agreed to.
Mr.. HUNTER The Committee on Finance are
through with their amendments.
Mr. RUSK. | have amendment which wish 10
come in after line hundred and forty three, page
seven:
"For completing survey Of the route from the valley OF
the Misss ppi the Pacific In addition the bal
anoe unexpended under the act Of the 3I March, ls9,
S3i, e96."
There was formerly an appropriation for this survey,
and was partially completed the balance Of $40 200