The daily union., 1852-08-14

Mr. DAwsos,l 10 my friend from South Carolina, Mr..
bUTLER,l and number OF other senators around me,
WHO have sad that they desire 10 speak upon this subject
that the refusal OF the privilege applies The question
before The Senate The reference OF this subject 10 the
Committee on Foreign Relations III the question should
20 10 that committee, according 10 my view Of II, before
they would report upon il all necessity for report would
be rendered unnecessary by the action OF the Executive
al srtm Therefore II was not dscouTieous towards The
senator from New York, Mr. SEWARD Ii would de-
priye The senator from South Catolina Mr. BUTLER
equally OF that right My argument was this-lhat at
this Stage OF The session, when some dozen senators have
expressed desire 10 speak upon The subject would be
impossible view of the transaction OF the public bus
ness permit them all speak anterior TO the reference
this subject il the public business TO be transacted
therefore thought much better that the subject should
be referred TO The committee and when comes back II
the necessity exists then have aAy further speaking
about it, all will have the privilege TO speak
Mr. CLEMENS The answer 10 that IS simply this :;
Il ought 10 have been urged before we began the discus
sion. Three speeches, believe have been made upon
his subject upon the democratic slde or by democrats,
and one the whg side; and think II is nothing un
iairit s certainly nothing but courtesy-that when
senator desires say what he chooses TO say Q do not
know what The senator from New York intends TO say
whether he 10 answer the speech OF the senator
from Louisiana or ,no) we should give hun oppouu.
nity lie asks nothing unusual We in the habit OF
asking these things in The Senate, and have never
known such privilege refused There has never in
my recollection, been a solitary instance OF refusal
And as TO the business OF the session being delayed by
IT, why, sir will il not be delayed after the report is made
Just as much as nowl
Mr.. PRATT Suppose they report.
Mr. CLEMENS. The senator suppose they
report Then il is egectual prohibition OF The
right OF that senator TO express his opinion
MIR BUTLER hope may be allowed 10 make one
remark ia justice TO this subject and address il par
took place between Mr. Clay and Mr. Calhoun, by
way OF illustration. | called with Mr. Calhoun, upon
Mr. Clay upon one occasion. The meeting was ap-
parently cordial between them. Says Mr. Clay to Mr.
Calhoun, although we have differed upon our domes
tic policy, believe, so far foreign relations
concerned there has been no party distinction between
u.s." Now, 10 our foreign relations, do not want 10
hear anything about whg democrat do not believe
that any who have spoken upon this subject as far as
regards our foreign relations have consulted the sug
gesons OF party but will say that, il this debate to
90 on, think that the senator from New York will
qure-not as member of the wing parly--a right which
and would have claimed. only did not think il fair
And think it very probable that when this thing goes
10 the Committee Foreign Relations. they will find
that we have been firing at mark when no mark
listed; and perhaps we shall reduce this to form in
which we all come to understanding not at all
as partisaDs, but as American citizens
The PRESIDENT. The Chair will take occasion 10
state that he informed the Senate at The time this discus
sion sprung up that 1t out of order that ques
ton OF reference the subject was not open to dis
cusson The Senate, however, by general consent, de-
lemlned that It should and the Chair acquiesced
lie makes this statement, nasmuch il has been OBJ
served that these speeches have been permitted The
Chair, In justice himself bound TO say that II was
not by his permission that order departed from, but
by the unanimous determination of the Senate
Mr.. MASON. desire TO state that when the senator
from Louisiana Mr. SoULE on Thursday last expressed
wish TO address The Senate upon this subject he sug-
gesed that he would address II week from that day,
and there opposition made TO his suggestion what
ever. have committed myself, and stand under The
mnent, 10 hear the senator from New York Satur-
day He proposes to address US, look upon il as
matter OF courtesy to allow him TO do SO.
Mr.. CLEMENS. wish TO say one word simply, in
reply TO the senator from South Carolina, Mr. BUTLER
He has been unjust, contrary TO his usual custom, and
has endeavored 10 leave the impression upon the Senate
that intended 10 create impression that in our foreign
relations there difference between wings and dem
ocrats. meant no such thing, and am the hon.
orable senator does not believe did stated the fact
that three democrats TO whig had spoken upon the
sire that its policy nigh, be commented upon either by
the senator from New York (i do not know that he is
representative OF this administration; the contrary,
believe he is no or somebody else. Whether should
be defended by him or by any other senator, think il
just, lair, right 10 this administration that il should
have an opportunity OF being heard | do moi 10
say that whg Is less patriotic than democrat | do
not believe anything OF that sort believe that, far
our foreign relations concerned pretty nearly
upon equality in that respect.
Mr.. SEWARD Just about
Mr. CLEMENS. That we are both rather too willing
TO 90 TO fighting anywhere, either North or South
Mr.. BUTLER intended no injustice TO the sena-
tor from Alabama, but, on The contrary, supposed he
intended 10 say what he has expressed-that il
rather the administration and the opposition than whg
and democrat,
Mr. CLEMENS Certainly
Mr.. BUTLER. Well, that is all perfectly understood
consideration of the question until Saturday next, il was
agreed To-
Mr.. MASON moved 10 go into executive session.
The Senate accordingly proceeded 10 the consideration
oil executive business after which
The Senate adjourned.