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SENATE.


oi Mr CHASE TO the Collins amendment, and
MI. BORLAND having concluded his speech.
Mr BUTLER moved to postpone this subject till to-
marrow in order 10 go into executive session.
Several SENATOR'S hope not
The question being taken on posiponng the subject. il
was LOST on diyision--ayes IS, noes %.
Mr. HUNTER. i would suggest TO The Senate TO take
a vote on the amendment of the senator from Ohio and
then lay the question till Tomorrow. when there
will be a full Senate. I@ 6N N#
The question being taken by yeas and nays on the
amendment Of Mr.. CHASE, resulted-yeas 49, nays 26as
follow
A:%. Bsss. & Rsas.a pssss
lows Hun,eI King, Mallory, Mason Sebastian sumner
ss sI1 s,ss Cooper Davis
Downs Fish, Foot, Geyer Hale, Hamlin, Houston James,
saesuss sheas Smith, 5Oas srruancs, foaosy and
So the amendment was rejected .
MI BELL move to strike out the proviso inserted
as in committee yt astt
any time after the ssi day Of Deeembe 1854 terminate
for any n sddi,ions allowance herein pro-
vided for, upon giving SIX monns' nohce ~.
And insert the following
"Propded That after the 30th day of June, 1854
of said line Of steamers shall exceed
$40 unless Congress in the mean time shall otherwise
Mr ATCHISON moved that the Senate adjourn.
The question being taken on the motion 10 adjourn, II
was los-ayes 81, noes 49,
Mr.. DAWSON The question that il presented by
the senator from Tennessee (Mr. BELLY trust will be
debated.
Mr. PRATT. the senator understands it himself,
am sure we all do here.
Mr. DAWSON. | desire to place myself correctly be
Mr. PRATT We are very willing 10 hear YOU
Mr. BELL will just state what ! propose by the
amendment. | did intend, if had time, without tres
passing upon the Senate, to make some explanation in
regard 10 it. In the first place, great change that
the amendment makes s that il does not require that
Congress should interfere TO stop this increased approprl-
alton or allowance after the 3Oth OF June, 1854, but il
ceases by this provision Of law Congress will have
power to interpose before that time, or afterwards, TO
allow continuation ofit In that respect it differs from
the former provso.
In the second place. it limits the lime TO six months
short OF that already provided for in the part which pro-
pose strike out, which is long enough time, IN the
opinion Of the gentlemen in conformity with whose
views have offered it, and OF myself, TO give 10 these
men sufficient allowance, by this Increase to $4,000
per trip. 10 cover the losses incurred by their being the
pioneers of this line, and having had to run IT at great
loss doubt, perhaps OF some sixteen or seventeen
thousand dollars per trip But after that me-the 3olh
OF June, 1851 suppose the line ought to run at the rate
OF half million year from the government, which it
will get on twentysix trips in year. think ought
after that date, TO be at that rate of compensation
time-but that / do not know One advantage Of this
amendment is to furnish further data upon which to go
at the end Of this period and see whether they do require
further allowance not and what TO my mind is OF
as great importance, shall then how far this ex
pertinent does interfere with private enterprise We are
in the midst OF this experiment we 40 not know how
much may interfere with matters in which private pro.
pretors of lines OF this description, commercial enter
prises generally, are concerned
| confess that this is The point in this whole policy
about which have the most dstrust. We do not see IT
all now, but in two three years more OF experience
we then decide upon clearer grounds and salts
factory to the country: 1t is for these reasons that
Mr. PRATT. Ii the honorable senator from Tennes
see [Mr BELLl will amend his amendment 40 as 10
have the end Of the fiscal year 1854 will be better
As il is now, ii gives but something like eighteen months
Mr.. BELL. Il gives two years; for il begins at the
18th OF January last
Mr. DAWSON. | do not intend TO debate -
Mr. RUSK. IL the honorable senator from Georgia
lMt DAwsoSl will permi, me TO make single state
ment
MI DAWSON Certainly
Mr.. RUSk. do not intend 10 enter into an argument
oi this matter ! should tave no difficulty myself in
agreeing TO this proposition, because believe that at that
time the proceeds OF the running OF these ships WILL In
all probability, repay these gentlemen Tor their underia
king, and they will not ask more OF us. But here Is The
difficulty get in As the amendment now stands, the
time is limited 10 but six months longer than is now pro-
posed and then the matter under the control OF Con-
gess, and certainly trust Congress for that time
Now, here is the difficulty If the Cunard line sees that
Congress do not intend TO keep this Collins line upon an
equality with them, they will continue still to run their
line agans We have seen, from the testimony brought
out, that this expenditure Of hundreds OF thousands OF
dollars Tor posages amounts TO nothing to the British ad
mraly; and the Consequence will be that you will
strengthen the position OF the Cunard line during all this
time, and they will continue TO war against the Collins
line II the committees amendment passes unembarrass-
ca oy any such proposition as this, what will be the re.
sui Everybody will that Congress intends TO keep
up this line The British had steamers on the Gulf OF
Mexico al the time the Aspinwa and Laws lines went
INTO operation But they found that they could not com
pete wiiA them, and Withdrew them believe they will
Withdraw this Cunard line pursue The course have
indicated All the letters will then be carried by the Col
Inns line, while the British put their line upon another
station.
believe they will withdraw il upon another ground,
and that is this the British have heretofore had the repu
atoa OF the best shipbuiders in the world, and the
result has been that their mechanics have derived large
profits the ships they build, being purchased by other
nations on the ground that they produce the best ships
the world Now, when they that this government
run theirs alongside OF it, when il will be open ad
relsemen TO all the world that the Americans can build
better steamers than they think, therefore, That
mey will withdraw their line, IL this embarrassment s
not placed upon the commuters proposition. As the
matter s now it il entirely under the control OF Con-
gre. in 1854. can, therefore, no good 10 result
hon this amendment bat rather great damage.
hr DAWSON. am as anxious as any senator upon
hs floor 10 maintain the character of this country in this
controversy But for one must confess that cannot
comprehend to my satisfaction the present condition OF
,hs steamship company. The factsae not sufficiently
Known 10 TO satisfy my mind upon the subject, nor
eaS communicate them to any other person so as TO
nast him comprehend them. But being unwilling to
have ,hing done my part TO involve the character
d this country, 10 prove runous to this company,
am willing 10 20 fat in liberaliy any man ought to
90 my iudsmeat Hence is that have been IN favor
sustaining this line, and have met the friends OF
as measure upon common ground What - that ground
Why it Ia 10 do precisely what ITS friends desire 70 90,
merely with the limitation OF placing y IN 'ne power on
Sonstess 10 sustain the reputation and ohaacer OF Ws
country at some subsequent period we nave agreed oy
os amendment which has just been offered 10 place y
- The power OF Congress after the 3Oth June, 1924;