The daily union., 1852-08-14

ANA Mr. SouLEl has done 10 reference 10 this mailer
have read some Of The documents 10 this case but
have not prepared such speech he has, which will
produce effect not only bee IN Tins SeDae but through
out this wide land Yes sir, with his clarion voice,
bis high spint aRd his bnrnng sentiments, that speech Is
a vehicle of honorable sentiments that appeal TO AneT
minds, because the American Senate ought 10 have
foImed It's judgment upon This question. | believe that
far he has Indicated the points OF this subject be
has spoken from his bosom-a bosom filled with warmth
and spirit Bat do not know that are authorized,
that are al Liberty TO indulge IN conjecture as 10 The
policy oil this country that oil Great Britain III rela-
lion TO this controversy. Ii may be aggrayaled INTO
controversy OF the public mind may be so sllmuia-
ted that this llue controversy, that IN the beginning Is
bat mere speck OF cloud, may grow up and make oae
OF those storms TO which The senator has alluded 40
not believe that il contains In itself the elements OF
storm bu II may he made 10 assume all The appearance
OF terrific STORM 80 far regards the interests OF this
country. Allow me 10 say, that, while express lhls
opinion, have IN my nature hat winch viii zeal me to
feel any taunt upon national well as upon private
honor. But before undertake TO make war-beore
we undertake indulge with the elements productive oil
strife affecting so deeply The Interests OF int county
should pause and obtain all the information IN our
power upon tlie subject
have spoken without preparation, and upon qres
lion that ld not expect 10 treat OF when rose. But
The subject comes up upon report from committee
will ask liberty of the Senate to refer 10 the papers that
have IN some measure looked through, and to oHer my
Arguments thefeupon 10 TINS body
Mr. SEWARD. Mr.. President the honorable senator
from Louisiana quite misnterpreted the object OF The
questions which put TO him. They were put as all
questions which put at any time To any senator are adj
dressedfor the sole purpose Of obtaining nformalion
and with careful regard not embarrass the speaker
but with the simple purpose OF getting information which
thought would be useful Tor legislative purposes 80
FAR from questioning the right OF The Senate either IN IT'S
executive legislative char acer to express lis Judgment
upon question OF this magnitude, agree to the propr
ETY. of lis expression in either in botn cases am
desous The honorable that the Senate OF The
United States, branch oil the Legislature OF This ma
ton, shall express its opinion upon the question which IL
involved in the dispute which has arisen IN regard 10
these fisheries. But, Mr. President, when the Senate
expresSeS Its ODlnIOn. to be | want
TO be Just one want it 10 be tenabe one want
IT to be deensibe one and TOR that purpose want It
to express no opinion at all until we ascertain what IS
Mr.. DAWSON, (interposng) If the senator will
permit me, will suggest that the consideration OF THIS
subject should be postponed until we get all the norma
ton necessary to found that opinion upon, and that SEN
ators who desire express their views on the subject
have the facts properly before them that they do
il undersanlingy Therefore if the senator will permit
me- | will move that the further consideration OF the
question be postponed.
this question, and 10 show what is the true issue in
volved in and trust that shall be able, il the Senate
will give me hearing, 10 show the advantage OF ad
herring TO the which suggested on former oc
casonthatis, OF keeping cool. hope shall be able
10 show that the administration has been much misappre
hended, and uninenlonay but unjustly censured
trust shall be able TO show that there danger OF
war; that there has been no negotiation which has COM
promitted the rights, the interest," the dignity or the honor
of this country that there will be negotiation that
will compromit either; and with that vew if il be de-
sired postpone the consideration OF the question, will
address the Senate either tomorrow, or al any other lime
Mr. DAWSON Let the senator name his own day.
Mr. MASON. The senator from New York will al
low me 10 say that the Presidents message and accom-
panyng documents this subject have not yet been e
ferred to the Committee on Foreign Relations The ques
ton pending refer them and submit TO the senator
whether il would not be better 10 allow The reference TO
take place, and discuss ii afterwards.
Mr.. SEWARD. Mr.. President, deem it is due to the
administration before the message shall be referred. that
shall be heard upon the subject will speak either to-
morrow, at any early day that will sui, the convent
ence OF the Senate. apprehend there viii be more IN
formation to go with this message 10 the Comntee on
Mr. DAVIS | hope the wish of the senator from New
York will be acceded TO- While shall abstain, until The
papers all before the Senate, from entering into The
argument generally yet there were some views thrown
out day, which think 10 extent erroneous
IN fact. There are some msappehensons, think, IN
regard to the questions IN controversy between the Two
countries Let there be suitable lime allowed to gentle
offer their views that point, if they propose
offer them. should like after The reference 10 otter
some views upon that subject myself although do not
mean TO 60 into il eaborarey ] hope the question will
be postponed until tomorrow TO give The senator from
New York an opportunity 10 address he Senate
Mr.. DAWSON. | would concur most oieerfuy in
the proposition made by the senator from Virginia but
the administration, indirectly or directly, has been at
tackled in regard TO its conduct this subject, and IL is
the desire It's friends reply to those charges and in
situations, and 10 show that the administration has act
ed properly throughout this transaction and also 10 show
that this debate ought not To have upon the motion
10 refer The communication, but that the commun caon
should have been referred 10 the Committee Foreign
elsons, and ther report should nave been the SUBJECT
matter OF tne discussion before this body. Now, the
matter stands speeches have been made entirely III oppo
ston, the public mind will suppose, 10 The admins
tration though intended in my judgment Ii is
bat due 10 those who desire to be heard the subject
that they should have the opportunity Tor reply upon The
question and upon the Information as II now stands.
MIR. CASS. Mr.. President, have not said word
about the administration IN the whole OF this dls
cussion. The honorable says that ground has
been taken against The administration. have taken
American ground have taken anti British ground but
have not even alluded TO the of the adminstra
ton, and for the best OF reasons-because did not know
what that | did not make the most distant
allusIon the course of the administration. am will
ling myself TO hear the honorable senator from New
York; but would prefer and think il would be great
deal better, that the should be referred TO the
committee and let them report upon Ia day or two.
The senator from Georgia supposes that discussion
ought to have been had heretofore. He intimates that
we have had very improvdent discussion the sub
Iect Why SIR, nothing is more common IN the Senate
than to get up such discussion. Senators will undoubi-
edly ecolect the memorable discussion in the British
House OF Commons, which makes such glorious page
in their history. When a captain who had lost his
by the act OF the Spanish authorities came in, discus
sion took place, and grew out OF It. They asked
The captain what he had said Why, said he, rec
onmended my soul TO Cod and my cause to my
Try" Nothing IL more common IN all legislative bodies
IN The world than to discuss ibe question OF tight upon
motion 10 refer This is not cGusunn This IS not
closed question II is open question: boundess
zstion itself think that the better to pursue
would be 10 send the matter TO the committee and let
them report upon II IN day or two. BY that time
shall have all The documents before They now
being printed, understand and when the committee
snail make ther report we shall have the matter fully