The daily union., 1852-08-15

should be very glad il the subject could be waived for
lhe present until we could have the report OF commit
tee upon u and some careful deberaton upon the
subject. AL present hardly know what TO do
ar AlChlSON. MIR President there is some diff
Guilty 10 my mind IN relation 10 this matier-not 10 the
amount appropriated at ALL because doubt very much
whether Il will answer the purpose OF feeding these forty
thousand Indians in California or such number of them
as II may be necessary 10 feed.
MIR. WELLER. Gin his seat There are seventy thou
sand OF them there, al least
Mr.. AICHiS0N Very we'll, sir, there may perhaps
be seventy thousand OF them bul my belief is that the
number cannot exceed forty thousand. AL least that
was the estimate before acquired California that the
whole population OF California. red and white did mol
exceed sixty thousand But that is point about which
am not so well informed The honorable from
California. Mr. WELLER
Mr.. President, il is truly said that $4,000 have been
appropriated by this government for the Indians Cali.
forna That $780, 900 gone, and not one dollars worth
OF benefit has been received, either by the government
or by the Indians in California, far under
one in my mind as to this appropriation. is the
ner IN which II is TO be dsbursed and whether the ln
dams will derive any benefit from this $lo0 900. any
more Than they have from the $50 900 already expended
There claims now before The Committee on Indian
Abars-lust claims and claims which this government
will be compelled 10 paycaims for beef furnished and for
services rendered TO this commission while making these
eighteen treaties which have been rejected by the Senate
aud CLAIMS for other purposes Tor which this $50oo0
was appropriated to pay the expenses OF negotiation
There are claims to--l do not know what amount, but
TO the amount of several thousand dollas-before the
Committee on Indian Affairs nowcaims for Transporting
these commissioners from one place TO another and feed
ing them while they were making treaties.
Now, then, this $4,000 has been expended, and
tell for what. But, sir. do believe that this
100000 would be we'll appropriated. and justly apPro
pated for the purpose oil feeding these Indians and for
the purpose OF clothing them, could have the least
in the world that this 100000 would 60
the same way that the $4,000 has gone would not
hesitate moment vote for $00 900 $500 900, If
had any guarantee that it would be expended for the
use of these poor Indians in California Some gentlemen
propose TO cut down this amendment to $50 900; but
would them if they have considered how many head
of cattle will furnish 10 these 10000 Indians, or, as
the senator from California says, 10 000 with appro
pration OF 100000 even II you furnish them with
bee which suppose is the cheapest article OF food we
supply them with, you would furnish those 900 In
dans with 1000 head OF cattle, to feed O0O Or according
my estimate, 40 900 Indians That is reckoning them
$50 per head and suppose they cannot be had for less
these very same gentlemen who negotiated The treaty
gave $50, or 800 per head in some instances would
appeal TO the from California whether beef could
be furnished at less than $50 per head But Mr. Presi
dent. would not hesitate moment TO vote 900
5000 ooO had the least assurance that would be ap-
proprlaed for the purposes intended BY the Senate
Mr. HUNTER. This is a subject sir, of great diff
Guilty. know that it stated by the senator from
South Carolina, Mr. BurLER.] that The senator from
California Mr. WELLERl spoke upon this subject with
more intelligence than any other person. feel the full
weight OF all that he said while at the same time can
not but be impressed by the weight OF what has fallen
from the senator from Georgia, Mr.. DAWSON | am
unwilling TO for this government any obligation
10 support these Pueblo Indians. If they should be dis
possessed by intruders from the Stale OF California
am also unwilling to vote any appropriation which may
be considered obligation upon the government TO
de BITS contracted by commissioners who acted only
without orders but contrary their instructions.
should be willing, therefore, il should TO the
conclusion that temporary provision ought 10 be
made order furnish these Indians with food 10 vote
for this amendment unless u could be guarded SO as 10
exclude the conclusion that the United States were ma
king this permanent policy, resorting to II or any
thing more than 10 meet temporary emergency
But, SIR this Is very grave question, and one which
is dastInp hprpa IL n q
iaiion TO what is to be done with the Indians in Cali
fornia Where are they 10 60, sir II seems that they
dspossessed by nrudes and driven from their homes
and they will be compelled either to join the rowing
bands oi the mountains TO become IN their turn
rauders. and visit again upon The whites The injuries
which first inflicted upon them. am not that
Il would answer but can other way OF getting
out OF the difficulty except this Tne government, be-
eve. does lands 10 California, and II may own them
in position where place OF refuge may be afforded
to these Indians. II we 10 adopt any permanent
policy or any policy which may for fifteen or
twenty years 10 come-for aware that nothing
be really permanent policy IN relation TO these lndlans
IL must be by some such operation this, which will
enable them 10 find babilaon and place OF abode for
some fifteen or twenty years
think, cir, that the Indian department should turn its
attention TO this matter | would hardly be willing TO
vote for 100000; for il 10 there being no
estimate, that is rather too large sum. But do not
know that | would object TO that amount, III The
| enator from California Mr.. WELLrR will guard the
amendment by such terms will say ina this Is merely
temporary provision to meet the emergency, and not
support OF these Indians am utterly opposed TO such
policy that; but think some provision ought 10
be sde to furnish these Indians with place OF abode
on the public lands, il IL be possible.
| know there rs one other resource. The State OF
California has deep interest in not dspossessng these
Indians as TO have them wandering about her Dor.
ders know, too II do not take this obligation upon
ourselves that State will be forced TO make pro-
vision for them and il seems to they ought 10 make
provision prevent this intrusion. That State has
the power do IL, and is right that II should be done
am willing to discharge that portion OF the obligation
which falls upon the United States. J am willing to
make temporary provision out of the public lands
IL portion be selected to suit the people oil Calfor
MA and TO satisfy the Indians well the interests OF
the government-upon which they can be settled ThR,
is the only feasible plan which conceive Of As
this idea OF feeding the dspossessed Indians year alter
year, IL result the senator from Georgia MI.
DAwsosl has well said, in good either TO the Indians
or the whites
Mr. UNDERWOOD The difficulty seems 10 increase
the more think about the matter II seems that
have before all the facts which necessary
enable 10 understand what would be jndcous and
discreet legislation upon the subsct. Since addressed
the Senate before have heard If said that there are
10000 Indians in California
/ Mr.. WELLER, lin his seai) I say so now.
| MIR. UNDERWOOD. My friend says he repeats II.
Now, take II Tor granted that there 10000 How
are they situated Are they scattered large ex-
ten, OF country they scattered in towns and vl-
lagos so that they easily he reached If they are
scattered large extent of country and you put tbs
$1,000 into the hands OF agent agents, how are
agents TO reach those 600 persons scattered over
large extent OF oountryl How they 10 make pro
vision for them when they occupy hundreds OF square
miles How are they 10 concentrate them TO feed
them These difficulties which have arisen in my