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ing-one that would meet the appreciation Of all par
ties
Mr. BoRLAND. AT the request Of many senators,
have the object in view that have, will with.
draw il for the present will, however, offer il here
after
The amendment accordingly Withdrawn.
COLLINS LINE or STEAMERS.
The PRESIDENT. The amendment that was passed
over BY unanimous eonsen. Thursday last is the
twentieth page OF the bill, commencing at line 27i. That
amendment now comes up Tor consideration.
The Senate then resumed the consideration OF the fol-
lowing amendments
For additional compensation for increasing the
portaon OF the United States mail between New York and
Liverpool IN the Collins line OF twenty trips
per annum at such times shall be directed by the Post
master General and in conformity HE annual report
Congress- and his Of the fifteenth November
TO the Secretary OF the Navy said increased
service on the first Of January, eighteen hundred and fifty
,wo at the rate of hrythree thousand dollars in
lieu OF the present allowance the Of hundred and
thT,y-six thousand five hundred dollars"
POINT ORDER.
MIR. BORLAND. again raise the point OF order, un-
der the 30h rule that raised the other day The rule
read that occasion. and the points upon which
would insist according TO that rule upon the exclusion
OF this proposed amendment are these first. that il does
come before the Senate upon estimate from of
the departments, and secondly that il is necessary
carry into effect any existing law OF Congress Ii has
been said that an estimate has been received WE'LL sir
admit that an estimate has been received from the
Secretary oil the Navy but il is such estimate
contemplated by that rule. Ii understand the matter
correctly, member OF the Naval Committee addressed
communication 10 the Secretary OF the Navy, and asked
him what would be tine necessary additional cost il this
proposed arrangement should be made and he in reply
says that il the committee conclude to recommend
tam increase OF compensation the number OF trips &c.
for this line, il will cost much. This amendment,
understand, has been based upon estimate OF that
character II am not correct, the chairman OF the
Committee on Finance Mr. HuSrERl will correct me.
Mr. HUNTER The senator from New Jersey Mr..
MULLER has the estimate Of the Secretary of the Navy
Mr. MILLER It in the hands OF the senator from
North Carolina, Mr.. BADGER
Mr. BORLAND l should like TO have it read
The PRESIDENT. The Chair will require il to be
sent the Chair before he decides the question of order
Mr. BADGER. l viii mention, IN explanation, that
the Committee Naval Anaifs-to which this subject
went, in consequence OF the very singular arrangement
that has been made in regard to these steam postal lines,
by which the mail service put under the direction OF
the Seer etary OF the Navy, instead OF being where
think ought to be, that under the direction of the
Postmaster General-called upon the Secretary OF
the Navy, in consequence of communication at the
commencement of the session from the Postmaster Gen.
era 10 prepare an estimate OF the additional appropra-
ton that in consequence OF the contract entered into be-
tween the Postmaster General and the Collins line.
would be necessary to defray the additional expense
thereby incurred That estimate made out and
sent TO us, and The appropriation which the committee
to the Senate 10 be made for that part of the
present fiscal year which remains unexpred is in accord
ance with that estimate | send the communication OF
| the Secretary OF the Navy TO The Chair.
After examining the communication OF the Secretary
The PRESIDENT said: The Chair will ask the a,,en.
ton OF the Senate while this paper from the Secretary OF
the Navy is read:
Navy DEPARTMENT. April 3, 1852
Sir have the honor that the estimate pre-
pared at this department the 18th ult, in compliance
with your OF the 9Th was confined TO the inc
service plated for the half year commencing the
18th OF January last TO supply the deficiency OF existing
appropriations and the compensation for the said service
al the rate OF 3s3ooO per Trip in lieu oil the presen,
| amount
If il be the intention Of the Committee on Naval Affairs
for the for mail services between New York and
rpool from the Is. Of January 1882 and authorize
increased service from thar date, then the estimate
.apPy 1 sss dsGeney Of existing furnished
For 10 trips, at $4,000 each Si29,00O
Deduct existing appropriation l92,5oC
Deficiency $50. 500
II should noticed that the estimates OF this
as ss .
ton liked IN the contract If the compensation Tor mail
Com Naval Affairs is to be extended TO The fiscal
year above referred TO- the estimate should be CHANGE
and instead Of $685. 600 The sum asked tor there should
WILLIAM A. GRAHAM
Committee on Naval Affairs, Senate.
The PRESIDENT The Chair will now read to the
Senate The rule which precudes amendments to general
appropriation bills, unless there is estimate from
department for it, unless il in accordance with
existing law
'RULg 30 No amendment proposing additional appro-
prsrions shall be received to general appropriation bin
~
law or act resolution previously passed by the
Senate during that session in pursuance OF estimate
from the head of some OF tho departments" NC.
The other portion OF the rule relates private claims
Al the last session OF Congress, and also at the previous
session after this rule had been adopted various amend
mens made to general appropriation bills, in pursu
OF estimates furnished IN reply TO calls made by iDd
vdua senators upon the departments and not included
in the general estimates which furnished by the de
partments. The Senate upon those occasions gave
structon TO It's rule that any estimate that was fur
nshed by department. though procured by the ap.
as justified them 10 making the amendment The Chair
will also advert TO the fact that this amendment is reported
from committee Whether that varies the nature OF the
amendment or not, II is not for the Chair to say.
The estimate has Just been read II is made by the
Secretary OF The Navy, under call from the Naval Com
mittee. The Senate having decided as the Chair has
remarked at previous session, that estimates thus fur
nsbed brought the amendment within the rule, thai
they could be properly made, II would be for the Char
say that this estimate would produce the came
effect But nasmuch The Senate adopted the rule with
knowledge OF what II intended should be its effect and
belongs 10 IT, and leave the question for the decision
the Senate the Senate TO say whether this is such
estimate as, under the rule, would authorize amend
ment TO be made, without any reference 10 the fact tina,
was reported by committee and not offered by ind-
vidual senator.
MIR. B0RLAND shall no, make a speech upon thi.
subject but wish 10 call the attention OF the Senate to
the fact that this estimate is altogether CONDITIONAL and
not a recommendation. As | have always understood
estimates from department. they recommendation
OF certain measurcs, and estimates OF the amount oil
money necessary carry those INTO execution
That Is what have understood recognised here and
have always recognised estimates from departments
Why, sir IT this be construed to be estimate, such
the rule conlempa,es s in the power Of any senator
time, procure such estimate as that and