The miners' express. (Dubuque, Iowa) 1849-1854, 1852-02-25
NJ, xossuru AND HENRY CLAY.

WEDNESDAY MORNING ...~..... FEE.
NJ. KossUTH AND HENRY CLAY.
The following deeply interesting account
the meeting between the disting uished Hung
rian and the distinguished Kentuck,an, is TAX
from the National Intelligencer.
tits interesting because two great mnds eau
togcther, distinguished alike for their knowieds
their profoundness and their oratory; Inc OF
having grown up with Republic, TO witne
the blessings which it confers upon mankin
realize its beauty and cherish its perpetui,y, a,
the other Just emerging from the scene of cour
and KINGS and diplomatic chambers, where Il
voice Of justice and humanity are sthed,
breathe forth the fervent aspirations of his sol
and the vivid eloquencc of his brilliant in,ele'
in the sacred cause Of freedom, justice and h,
manity. This interest is the moe penetratin
and sublime, when we view the relative age an
condition Of these two men. The one has nea
ly served out his time and whatever falls fror
his trembling lips, possesses the merit ofpurity
sincerity, while the other is in the prime of life
with the whole energies of his vigorous min
concentrated upon the wrongs OF his conntr.
and the restoration of his people to constitution
al freedom
The one kindly and courteously disclaims in
PREVENTION, while the other realizes an obliga
ton on the part of nations, To enforce the claims
of Justice and humanity. Both are Just TO the
views and circumstances under which they h W.
treated the subject. The venerable statesman
has unquestionably reflected the true sentiments
of = large majority the American people. And
while they, with him, feel profound sympathy
for the m,sfortunes of Hungary, they cannot re-
alize that it would be prudent for the United
States, or beneficial TO Hungary, that they should
engage in the troubles, conflicts and wars of Eu-
~ope.
The interview between M. Kossuth and Mr..
Clay has excited general interest in the coun-
try. and the reports o. it hitherto given to the
public have been somewhat inaccurate, and, at
The best, imperfect.
ted Of Senators Cass, Jones of Tennessee, Mr..
Fendall Of this city, and the Hon. Presley Ew-
ing, Of Kentucky. The lastnamed gentleman
has been induced, at the instance of several per-
sons, and with the consent of Mr.. Clay, to give
o more extended aud careful report of the inter-
view, and especially of Mr. Cays remarks,
which we publish below, and which may be
regarded as authentic, having, besides the au-
thority of Mr.. Ewing, the sanction Of Senator
Jones, BY whom the report has been examined
and approved.
NJ Kossu,h was introduced by Mr.. Cass at
about o'clock.
On being presented to Mr.. Clay, who rose to
receive him-"Sr," said he, Il thank you for
the honor Of this interview
81 beg you to believe SAID Mr. Clay, inter-
rupting him, ..that it is | who am honored-
Will you be pleased to be seated
After the mutual interchange, Of civilities, "l
owe you, sir, said MIR. Clay, San apology for
not having acceded before to the desire you
were kind enough to intimate more than once
to see me. But really my health has been 50
feeble that did not dare to hazard the excite
ment of so interesting an interview. Besides,
SIR" he added with some pleasantly, 'tyour
wonderful and fascinating eloquence has mes
merizcd so large a portion of our people, wher-
ever you have gone, and even sonic of our
members of Congress-, waving his hand to-
wards the two three gentlemen who were
present, s'that feared t, come under lis influ-
epce, lest you might shake my faith in some
principles in regard to the foreign policy of this
government which have long and constantly
cherished. And in regard to this matter, you
will allow me, hope, to speak with that SIN
csrity and candor which become the interest
the subject has for you and for myself, and
which are due to US both the votarics OF free
dom. trust you will believe me, too, when |
tell you that en.ertiin ever the lIveliest sym
pathies in every struggle for liberiy-in Hun
gary, and in every country. And in this,
believe, express the universal sentiment, of my
nfrvn RntS, for ba SAX nf m
try, you must allow me TO protest against the
pnlicy you propose to her. Waving the grave |
and momcntous question of the right of one ma !
lion To assume the executive power among ma
tons far the enforcement of international law, !,
or Of the right of the United States to dictate
to Russia the character uf her relations with.
the nations around her, let us come at once |
10 the practical consideration of the matter. |
You tell US yourself, with great truth and
Pr'p:.str that mere sympathy, or the express
ION Of sy apathy, cannot advance Your purposes
You requ re material aid. And, indeed, it is
manifest that the mere declarations Of The SYM
pathy OF c ,nyress, or of the President, or Of
the public, would be Of little avail, unless we
were prepared To enforce those declarations by I
n resort 10 arms, and unless other nations could
see that preparation and determination upon our /
part. Well, sir suppose that war should be the
Issue of the course you propose to us, could
We then effect any thing for you, ourselves, or
the cause Of liberty To transport men and
arms across the occan in sufficient numbers and
quantities to be effective egainst Russia and
Austria would be impossible. tits fact which .
perhaps may mt be generally known, that :he .
most imperative reason with Great Britain for !
the close of her last war with US was the i'm
mcnse cost of the transpn triton and maintenance
OF forces and the munitions of war on such
distant theatre and yet she had not perhaps
more than thirty thousand men upon this con-
tinent at any time. Upon land Russia is invul
nerable to Us, IS we are to her. Upon tho
scean, 4 war between Russia and this country
would result in the mutual annoyance to CON-
EMERGE, but probably in little else learned re-
Gently that her war marine Is superior 10 that \
of any nation in Europe, except perhaps Greaa
Britain. He ports are few, her Commerce linn
ieed while we, on our part, would offer as
prey to her cruisers q rich and extensive com
nercc- Thus, SIR, after effecting nothing in
such war, after abandoning our ancient policy 1
of amity and non intervention in the affairs Of I
other nations, aud thus justifying them in aban-
looming the terms Of forbearance aud on-in;cr-
ference which they hove hitherto,prtserved to-
wards us-a:ter the downfall, perhaps, Of the
friends Of liberal institutions in Europe her
dcspo,s, initiating aud provoked by our fatal ex-
ample, may turn upon in the of our
weakness and exhaustion, and, with an almost
equally irresistible force Of reason and OF arms,
they may say to US, You havo set US The exam
pie you have quit your own to stand on for
eisn ground you have abandoned the policy /,
yon proiesscd in the day of your weakness, to
interfere in the affairs Of the people upon this
contisent in behalf of those principles the su
premacy OF which You say is necessary 10 your
TO your existence. We, in our turn,
believing that your anaschial doctrines are de-
structive OF, and that monarchial principles are
essential to the peace, security, and happiness
of our subjects, will obliterate the bed which
has nourished such noxious weeds; we will
crush you, as the propagandsts Of doctrines so
destructive of the peace and good order of the
world. The indomtable spirit, of our people
might and would be equal to the emergency,
and we m.ht remain unsubducd even by so
tremenduous combination, but the conse-
queRces to as would be terrible enough You |
must allow me, sir, to speak thus freely, as |
yeei deeply, though my opinion may be of but |
little import, as the expression of dying man. |
Sir, the recent melancholy subversion of the