The daily union., 1852-08-08

priaton bill. which was the special order had no ,dea
that this debate would have arisen and continued until
this time II 10 now very late, and move 10 lay this
matter upon the table, with view of making a motion
go 10 into executive session.
Mr.. DAVIS. hope not We can have the question
taken now, as We are ready for il.
Mr.. Bright. III The vote can be taken | will
not object, But will add that upon 10 morrow, at 1
sha INSIST upon taking up the Indian appropra
Mr. GwIN. Let US have vote upon this question
Mr. BRIGHT. Twill withdraw my motion TO Law upoD
the table. II a vote can be taken now.
Mr. BELL | want 10 say butone word
Mr.. BRIGHT: must, then, insist upon my notion
Mr.. BELL. do not wish 10 make speech. pledge
my honor not TO make speech wish merely 10 say
one word-i9 make one single suggestion.
! Cries OF LET him go !" "Let him 20 onr
Mr BRIGHT. would be glad to withdraw my motion
II could DC satisfied that it would lead further de.
Mr.. BELL. do not think il will
MIR. BRIGHT, will withdraw my notion then
Mr.. BELL. am guIliless OF all this discus usson--of
ih's intermediate examination OF opinions. which should
have been had at the departments and from the deIar
ments as 10 whether there has been fraud attempted to
be prastised one way or The other. simply offered
few words in favor OF the reconsideration oil this resoIu-
on upon the ground expressly stated, and limiting TO
that, that thought this gentleman entitled 10 his
salary OF $4,000. and il the resolution passed ia its
present form, he would get only, $500: That the
sole question Other gentlemen have different views up
on that subject Now, though The Senate has been in
volved in discussion OF two hours, il has been in
regard that do rot touch the merits of the qnes
ton as 10 whether this gentleman shall be allowed SAL
OF 3 900 instead OF 81 for the object OF the recon-
slderaon was so 70 amend the resolution 6x tho
salary by law at $1,000 instead Of having il 500
have said this to show that have had nothing 10 do with
this storm about opinions II is said that the gentleman
resored to this course in order TO get two salaries But
do mol mean 10 60 INTO any remarks upon that subject
except to say that do not think there is sufficient evi.
dence that any member Of the departments has made
statement in regard which in any fair view of the case
he ought to be denounced having stated what is FALSE
thai any mlssatement has been made 10
be stgmatised as faisehood Now, one word more /
liz Al, k,,,irtk tk,t-. k,.L
,ha, Mr.. Kennedy mediated any fraud in the manner
stated by the senator from South Carolina. [Mr. Bur-
MI. BUTLER. have qualified my remarks.
Mr. BELL. know ne has made disclaimer except
as TO his intention to get two salaries Now one word
more IN regard TO the amendment spoken Of by the
tor IRON South Caroina-he alteration in the bill re-
ported from the Judiciary Committee. which passed
short time since, and has received the approval Of the
President II was to alter the 2oh section of the act Of
1850, OF which that the supplement. by striking out
the words has been in the concluding line of that
ton and inserting the words may necessarily be-" SO
,na. i should Ssaa oat Of which sum 1.-THE sppr oprs-
person employed as secretary OF the Census Board,
compensation after the OF $4,000 per annum during
the from South Carolina Mr. BuTLER s strong.
impressed with the idea that gross fraud was At
tempted 10 be practised upon that committee, upon
OF any attempt at fraud provided he intended receive
only one salary Yet the honorable senator contends
that. under that law passed. he will be legally entitled
Mr. BU TIER, Most certainly he will
Mr.. BELL Now, let me appeal TO the honorable sem
aor TO state whether in his last remarks be did
press clear and strong conviction that there was no
Peiext or reasonable gounds upon which that
that Cessus Board was not funcus o6co, and
honorable senator from Georgia, fMr DAwson.i who
conended that the opinion of he Attorney General and Of
the Secretary Of State right, and also the honora-
sxusd wh equal ve1emsnce and esansss as 10 Th ,hs
conviction IN his mind that there is not the slightest
ground TO suppose that that act has any force, or
that the board not fuscius o6sco, having legal
privileges, and having right 10 give salaries
Rotary. The honorable senator from Massachusetts, has
again aed again called upon any gentleman 10 point out
single act that has performed since the Let OF june
1880 II clear then. 10 the mnds OF these gentle
men as the law OF Heavenl speak thus strongly be-
cause am referring to opinions strongly Expressed by
those gentlemen is clear TO them that this board does
not exist Now, IN my first remarks upon this subjec
said that according TO my construction, the first act OF
the Census Board was superseded by The second act
Now when tins clear sentiment is expressed here, and
entertained by the distinguished members of this
body-dstinguished not only as lawyers but eminent
statesmen o long experience and ripe udgmentthe
being generally acquiesced in all around the hall
and the honorable senator from Georgia MIR. DAwsonl
saying that he had not examined this part Of the ques
hoD, but that their opinion correct this point
then would AJAX the honorable from South Car
DINA, Mr. BuTLER where the fraud that Mr. Kennedy
would have intended 70 practise upon this
saying lhat long as he nsesssry be empoyedha
word necessarily" is an important word here-he shall
receive tins salary OF $4,000 Why sir, accordngto their
own ConsHuciion OF TWO acts Together he
entitled 10 one cent OF that salary; and that amendment @
soon passed would have failed in its supposed eject
OF perpetratng fraud, Mr. Kennedy had intended
IT, because, according their construction, be could not
have obtained the salary OF 80 o00 because he was not
necessarily employed for moment secretary OF that
board, il beng funcfus oero And suppose il turns out
be the fact that the board did not consider itself dis
charged, and that there official acts s 10 be
done, and Mr. Kennedy had been called upon "A secre
tary TO record their proceedings and draw no their in
s,ucons and TO make the payments that they had 10 cav
down 10 the FIRST OF June 1850 even If that were lhe
fact-though know nothing abou, i,--ihen during the
period that be thus necessarily employ ed for that pur
pose and or no longer PERIOD be would receive compen
saon at the increased rate of $1,000 per annum II he
should get through IN day, his Compensation would
then cease II IN three hve six monhs a. the case
might be. his compensation would then cease There
fore, even to give ul latitude, and fair construction at
the same time, TO this notable amendment strike out the
words !" has been" and nser, the words may neces-
sarly be-. amounts TO nothing last in the way OF
making out fraud Tor could not have imposed upon
the government upon these officers OF the board un-
less their duties did nscsssmiiy require them 10 employ
secretary to fulfil and discharge duties prior 10 the first
OF July, 1850. So that, take it in any way YOU please
II seems to that il Mr. Kennedy intended 10 get two
salaries BY the very interpretation that you mua give the
words must necessarily be employed he must be de-
feated in bis object because was not according 10 any
statement made here necessarily employed or employed st
All according To some statements and according 10 all
mat have heard. he was only employed dsbuse the
funds which were in the hands OF the Census Board
have never spoken TO Mr. Kennedy upon this sub
lec nor had any communication with him in regard IT,
dd not suppose thai these subjects points that
at all necessary 10 be mooted in connexon with this ont
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