The daily union., 1852-05-12


revenue over TO these gentlemen they will have in-
erest in the postages they now stand and in honor
We VIII be bound not TO touch n during the continuance
oil the contract For that reason opposed 10 makug
their compensation depend upon the amount OF postagss
Mr. DODGE, Of Iowa. think my friend from New
Hampshire [Mr HALrl is msaken that is. the theory
be true that the reduction OF the price OF postage viii
result in an increase Of the pos,ages received But s
like the French appropriation BILL bound to 60 through
anyhow, will say 10 my friend from Tennessee, Mr..
JoREs1 who experienced trouble from the idea that
this line TO receive the $3S5, 900 year in addition
the posages that il that had been left in il would
have passed anyhow Il is Of no to oppose this sp
preparation; il is sure TO pass 9.a
On motion by Mr. BROOKE. the yeas and nays were
ordered M I.6
Mr. ATcHlsoN. desire 10 get little information
is the amount Of posages that has been received by this
government through this Collins line during the last
by this proposon-what will be the effect Of il.
Mr.. HUNTER Iii less than the amount we now
give TO that line lq.
i MIR PRATF III understand the amendment OF the
recty the effect of il to decrease instead Of increas
ing the compensation given to this line.
Mr.. RUSk IL decreases II about 35 per cent.
SENATOR. That is for the present time only. 18
Mr. PRATr Then they will be unable tor the pres
effect o the amendment is to decrease the amount now
given them, instead Of increasing it, aAtas
Mr.. BORLAND. II il be the honorable senator
from Maryland Mr. PaATTl suppose, then I
must confess that OF the arguments used by the ad-
yocaes OF this appropriation are unin,eligble to me-
We have been told, as an nducement for making this
appropriation, that this line would bring into
the treasury OF the United States by paying post
ages than would pay out money even with this ad-
ali The Ms are
it will not equal by from 25 10 33 per cent the amount
we now give them, then certainly one the other of
these assertions must mistake Ii s then, not true
that the amount they will pay into the treasury equal
to the amount we now propose to give them, or this
proposition which is now made to give them all the
xynn pnfh ha dlnin nf vuha
now receiving Which ground is correct. am not pre-
pared TO say. @
Mr.. BAYARD. understand the argument used in
favor OF this appropriation differently from the honora
BILE senator from Arkansas, Mr. BoRLAND The prop
oson made il adopted, will necessarily defeat this
line The parties here entered into contract with the
government, for specific sum, for new scheme with
which they were not familiar. The argument used in
support OF an increase OF that sum has BEEN with some
variations Of opinions among senator's that ultimately n
the precise year-thc increase OF posages received from
this line would probably reduce to great extent not
entirely prevent any loss upon the part OF the govern
ment in giving an increased compensation to this line tor
mail services But | have heard senator assert
that the posages upon this line for the last year. and
during the year, would within any reasonable ex-
pectaon, equal what now give them. The prop
oson, then, is this: these parties. having made con-
tract with the government for the running OF line OF
steamers in pursuance OF policy which you chose TO
adopt five years ago. have already. as private in.
dividuas sunk half million OF dollars of capital and
ye, the Senate OF the United States now propose in mock
this line, when your own returns show that that course
would reduce the of compensation they now 70.
ceve and call upon them 10 any additional ruin
Gus loss for the next year or two although might ul-
mately repay them. Is that worthy OF the American
government Is this amendment which the American
Senate ought to sanction
Mr. BERRIEN In addition TO the suggestion of the
honorable from Delaware, Mr. BAYARD.l there
is another which advered TO by the honorable sena-
tor from New Hampshire, [Mr. HALE,] which should be
taken into consideration in considering this amendment
This proposition calculated 10 dvest the government OF
power which il ough, never to part with that ~ the
power to conto its postal arrangements Now we have
entered into with these individuals TO continue
for of ten years in the progress OF which, n BE-
eved by those who advocate this appropriation, the
amount expended by the government will be fully re-
turned them Ye in lieu OF fulfilling the terms OF that
contract, and at moment when the operation he's not
been sufficiently extended 10 produce the beneficial results
anticipated from il s proposed TO reduce the compensa
on they receive by transferring TO these parties the
OF posages which shall be received from this line
Now say that this government ought never TO part with
s conol over the postal in regard sub
eci important that which relates to the communca
ton with Europe Yet, in the event OF this amendment
OF these postal ranremens We anticipate that in the
OF time these postages may be reduced IN price,
But desrous may be to reduce the price OF pcs,;
age that line, IL this amendment pravalis we shall
have divesied ourselves OF the power to do So ~
II has been suggested that this power may be exercised
np nsse hs ose Of eosase
the OF receipts That so ultimately out tne IN
effect not that which s thus ascrbed 70 IT. Some
made in the price OF the postage which s be transeed
TO these parties and the period when the effective opera
ton OF that reduction will increase the amounts oil re-
ceips In the lime these parties have contract
with by which they transporting mails acroes
the Atlantic. and they remain subject TO the redu duc
ton OF receipts created by the reduction OF the price OF
postage and shall, therefore, have failed in good
faith to uhl contract with them, or we must surren-
der control important department OF our ID
mnisation-I the postal arrangements of this gov
ernmeni. hope this amendment will not be adopted
Er. BROOKE. adopted the modification proposed BY
the senator from Tennessee Mr. JoHEsl without much
reflection am inclined to believe that my original
proposition the correct because by the contract
this company s entitled TO The Compensation allow
ed them by law and take II from them by this
bill or any amendment thereto propose, therefore, to
restore my proposition to its original form.
In to the suggestion advanced BY the honorable
senator from New Hampshire Mr. HALE] and the hon.
orable from Georgia, Mr. BERRIES in regard 10
the reduction to be made hereafter in the price OF postage
this line, will stale that my amendment may be fur
the power Congress 10 reduce the price OF postage
whenever they deem proper am willing to accept
modification OF that sort, and will il mysef, II no
one else does .,, l.,f..
propose to restore my proposition TO s original
form. - sgs ~
The PRESIDENT The honorable senator from Mis-
sissppi IMr BRooEr wishes to modify his amendment.
The yeas and NAYS having been ordered upon il that can
only be done BY the unanimous consent of the Senate
previously to the yeas and nays being ordered b.
done by the mover without such consent II there be no
amendment as he has indicated. 80
No objection being made The amendment was then
modified as follows; -,
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