The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1852-01-08

was much obliged to mo that had managed 30 WE'LL
this child the 6rst learned Of the intended separa
tion Of Mr. and Mrs FORFEIT from the psper when
Va: ont West est, ou.ys you e. spoken to Mr., Forrest
acquainted with her. did not speak to her about it
more than once have never spoken to Mr.. Forrest
took from her eight letters Of Margaret Sinclair; shs
gave them to think she said she would get them
out Of her trunk and she brought them to me- forget
In what part the vessel she gave them me; the
captain Of the vessel was present forget his name
and the name OF the vessel also; it was lying
down not to get these letters It part Of ii
akd for the letters at my own suggestion Miss Sinclair
told me Of them and told her they might be used to
her disadvantage and was my suggestion to get
them from Anna; handed them to Miss Sinclair;
Anna said she would give up the letters would make
part of that should give the let
tiers; when she that wanted them made point
this arrangement with her, She would give them up;
paid her in her mothers house. day two before she
sailed for New Oreans think it was day before.
Q-Why did you not demand the letters when you paid
the money! Al trusted to her. she said she would
give them up think went down with her to the
Sci the time got the letters; didn't her after
wards; didn't give her any other money except ths
ST. did not promise her other money except the
dollar 0r shs a Of the
not tell who they addressed to- or to what places
my impression is that it was Connecticut; can
1t was Anna Dempsey; have recollection how they
addressed, except the general impression that 1t
somewhere CODOectlOut.
To Mr. OConor-When spoke Of Mr. Forests fare
well my impression that he took leave Of the
stage then made my deposition In very great haste
and told you (Mr oConor), If you wished for it, you
should do it immediately was going to Mobile; it was
drawn up . few minutes before swore to it; Annals
character is bad down present time the way
Others speak Of her. would not believe her on oath
To Mr. Van Buren--I speak by her reputatioDltor
racity given by her mother and her sister heard
her mother and her sitter and Catbarin speak about
her and heard Captain Howard speak against her deny
ing the paternity Of the child; have heard various
people epeak against her from hearsay; heard Doctor
Gray and Doctor Warner, who had seen her but
spoke from hear.sy speak against her; those have
Nance are me only persons heard speak o. ner that
Of her; never heard Doctor Gray Doctor Warner
speak against her until she was known to be impor
tsnt witness in this heard Mrs. Goodwin ray she
never liked the girls l93ksQ aughter); board with
Mr.. and Mrs. Goodwin now he is gone to England; he
went New Years morning; don't recollect any one
else who spoke against her prior to the tins that it
was known Anna was to be witness the only persons
heard speak against her are Mr. Godsin, Captain
To Mr.. OConor-It was at Miss Margaret sinclsr's in
stance first went into this matter she told she had
written some letters Q.-What did she saj?
Mr. Van Buren, objected to that, and the court sus-
taiHed the obj cotton.
Mr. Van Buren, to witness You said you did not give
swearing in your affidavit Of the Path May ISL that you
gave her 500! All did, meant the allowance OF
Mr.. Van Buren, then read Mr.. Rsymond's affidavit of
Oath May, 1851, which was follows
ssmuel NJ. Raymond, Of the city Of New York being
duly sworn ss1s that In the year 1886 while Mrs For
in Europe and before he had this
deponent acted the friend Of Captain William A. How
ard of Boston in reference to charge Of bastardy then
threatened to be lodged against him by Ann Dempsey,
Captain Howard being absen from the city that he this
deponent said Ann at her mothers house in this
city and saw the child apparently about year old that
tain Howard would give her twenty five dollars to enable
her to leave for Now Orleans with captain who ten
for the support Of her child in New York until she
should be ready to receive hi n New Orleans This
deponent on behalf Of Captain Howard to avoid trou
be acceded to the offer and the complaint accord
ingly suppressed This deprnent did not believe that
Captain Howard was the father of said child The said
AIMS statements contradictory and she con-
fronted in deponeRt's presence to her charge by
woman named Catharine. who had lived at Mr. For
rests SAID catharne said to Ann. You know that
found you abtd with'-naming person whom she de-
scribed boy living at Mr. Forests but whose
deponent cannot recolect-an said Ann hung her
''''N '''N w. - SAMUEL NJ RAYMOND.
Sworn to, this 24th day Of May. 1851, before me.
CORNELIUS X. DIs0SWAY, Com of Deeds
witness-That is my AFT iavit. Q-Why did you not
state in that affidavit the demand Of Anna two
three hundred dollars? = Because did no: think 1t
PERTINENT did not state Anything in that did not
preceded IL vas relevant Ayes, did.
The court took recess for few minutes.
John Dickinson, deposed i live at New Canaan Con
nccteut; am shoemaker, man Of family; reside
there for seventeen years. came from there to day; my
wife is not able to attend from the of broken
knee, which occurred from accident last July. 4
book of indentures produced That is my signature
don't remember seeing Anna Dempsey sign it; after
signed ii Anna came into my service; cannot tell how
long after ii when she left me- she to fro
the House of Refuge in March and finally left in NoseH
| her or December of the same year. Q-Whst An
ras character for truth and veracty while she lived
| with YOU
MIR Van Buren, objected to this question until the wit
\ ness was asked II he knew her general character.
Odd You while she lived with you become acquiint
ed with her general character Il did, it any
putaiion for truth and veracty? We'll, for truth
and veracity would not place straw on her word;
would not from her general reputation believe her on
cath in court Of Justice the 30th Slst March,
1640 the Ddentures signed and got her from the
House of Refuge the day; after che left saw
her next in 1913; she to and wanted to stay,
but would not have her; she applied for place. o.
Who composed your family. A.-Bssides my children,
@ And ea1
in the neghborhood OF sixteen or seventeen years OF
| in the year 1e4o
OIL desire to know if in her demeanor or carriage
she had tke appearance Of modest female!
Mr. Van buren objected and the Court susta ned the
objection and said it would be necessary TO show
act or expresson of the girl to that she
I chaste.
Q-Did you hear witness any speech act OF
Anna Dempsey while living with you indicating that
| she unchaste or lewd person?
Mr. Van Buren, submitted that it not compete MT,
TIL. inrtancs it must Of cour.e be permitted as against
male witnesses that may be produ,ed before this trial is
| at an end.
NJ. OConor raid When these witnesses come on the
stand be will be prepared to cay whether he will object
to questions to their morality He then continued TO
evidence to impeach the character of Anna Flowers who
to actual act Of adultery the part of the
plaintiff. When the witness Anna the stand
tbe swore that she did not know Mr. John Dickinson
and had never lived with such person,
MIR. Van Buren, replied he did not know whether the
evidence would more affect the Interests Of the plaintiff
or his client An o6sr is made TO prove that Anna
Flowers was en- impure unchaste and immoral charac-
ter in 1870 end in ls43 find her the inmate i Mrs
Forest house, and sedrced there by party whom
charge Of the persons that tilted adultery
with the plaintiff ard that Mrs Forrest OF her
seductop whilst Mr.. Forrest was ao:, lie submitted
there was nothing special IN this make this es-
timony proper In cares Of trial for rape /. undoubt
tdy proper TO show that the female was un ,hase
improper person previous TO the act Of wSich she com
plans bu. such rule does not apply to this .se
The n:c Justice IN giving his opinion, was II
| prepared to go into this very broad inquiry
MIR 0Conor sed be bad looked into auth0rt;e, on the
subject and biz min3 quite clear II end h begged
the court 10 look into those authorities betors he CTS
| losed oft.
The Chief Justice when the girl eooks Of Mrs For.
I.st htng her ruin II did srtke thAL