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Mr. UNDERWOOD. No, sir | left that out-I
thought that might ia under the head Of sItras," "
Tor which compensation is sometimes made by vote OF
the Senate, TO a good many people. tLaughter
Mr. MILLER. II the honorable senator will permit
me, desire TO make statement AS understand the
honorable SENATOR according 10 his calculation what he
calls trip backwards and forwards, costs Sal $50,
i Mr. UNDERWOOD. According TO the data which
Mr. MILLER. Then the senator does not take into
consideration at all the OF sustaining the passen-
gess, r. OF NE @Sasy Teee'veS ID, from On them
Mr. MILLER. Then il this ship merely performs the
service OF carrying the mail from New York to Liverpool
it will the company S3l $780, and yet they get from
the government only $9,250 per trip. The gentleman
makes out the whole that they ought 10 receive the
amount proposed by the amendmenta little 5000
Mr. UNDERWOOD Very well let US. il you please.
attend TO the suggestion OF my friend from New Jersey
According his suggestion, il would be right for the
Just To pay all the expenses OF performing
this service and give all The profit obtained freight
and Pssssagsts away, ior nothing al ALL Is that the
Mr. MILLER. The senator mispnderstands me- He
has made calculation the results OF which he presented
ships without regard TO the passage money ne dlscads
the account that has been presented, and makes his ac-
count merely wi,h regard to the actual cost
| Mr. UNDERWOOD. | will explain IT all
Mr.. MILLER. Ii the senator takes that view, say
the actual cost OF running the ship, hou regard TO pas
sengers, will amour, to The sum designated But If he
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sustained by the ship in carrying the passengers, he must
also take Sc, ia he amount Of passage money .r
| Mr.. UNDERWOOD. | will do that. The only diff
fculty is, that get do it in my own way But
as to the suggestion Of the honorable senator, in the
view In which was going to present il, would ne think
1t reasonable Tor the government to have 10 pay oil tue
expenses both ways, and allow the company 10 derive
ali the profits Certainly that would not be reason.
able. nave given you the expenses by showing what
the fuel, and food and wages support the ships crew,
would amount to; and have shown, according to
the data which | have giyen--and II am not right
and the running OF the vessel would not amount to me
hall OF the sum which has been expended IN the navi
CATION But then, the gentleman comes forward. and
says "You do not take into consideration anything
which is furnished to passengers You do not take INTO
consideration any of the expenses OF loading and unload
ing the vessel you do not take into consideration tho
various things connected with passage. and the TRADE
and commerce carried on by the ships" Sir inten-
lonally left all that out And why Because every
his own way, and more than pays it. he pays It with
great profit to the of the ship Every one knows
ha, every article Of food every luxury everything OF that
kind which spu board for the benefit OF the passen-
gers, they get al very great profit TO those who furnisn
Every one knows that every pound OF merchandise put
board The ships for commercial purposes or transport
ta,ion is paid for and at profit Therefore,, there is
nothing in the suggestion Of the senator from New Jer-
sey All that ought TO be left out because, when you
take into consideration II is the great soufce OF proht
to the owners OF the ships
Now, want gentle emen to show me. il they please,
how ls that we could by economical management WIN
paying just wages make The expense amount TO $4,000
And when they make out "clean bill--o use the ex-
preston of yourself sir tMr MASGUm temporarily occu
pying the chair land let IT, can tell then whether
proper for the amendment, give up the en-
teprise Bat have not the facts now sufficiently be-
fore US TO justify correct judgment As lar as have
got the facts appears that the $33 900 proposed
in the amendment TO be given, is altogether exorbant
And prove that you propose, by the amendment
increase the trips twenysx, and to give $4,000 ior
each trip That makes $685. 900 per annum. Well, sir
that Ss5Sooo per would in less than four years.
more than pay the capital invested was there ever sucn
| Mr. RUSK The senator seems 10 forget altogether
that we receiving posages from thus line he makes
the calculation as were receiving back single
cents when the fact Of the business is, that the posages
themselves for the first two years. amounted 10 Within
$3.50 900 Of The amount paid out BY the government
i Mr.. UNDERWOOD ! do not forget anything; but
do not go on, perhaps, rapidly as other minds.
Mr.. RUSK You forget that one side OF the account.
Mr. UNDERWOOD Oh, no; do not forget it. The
question am investigating is, How is Mr. Collin: anect,
ed BY going on with the performance OF this service
am not inyes6a'in how much the government loses OF
tains expenditure OF S65,000 per trips and IL we pay
hun $500 trip how long will II take 10 pay or return
his capital and in reference 10 that investigation,
whether the government gets postage, or gets not cent
has nothing to do with it, am upon thing and the
genileman's mind IS running upon another am en-.
deayorny TO show that sooooo, with good economy and
skill and management, according TO the facts, could not
be SPENT and that has nothing 10 do with the receipts or
losses OF the government say, though that II you give
S33 900 trip for twenty six ps IL makes SS3S 900, and
that that according the data here pays for the
whole capital INFESTED IN little more than three years
between three and four years pays for the capital in
profit they make from passengers and freight. Now
SIR, going 10 take such leap that in the dark
must be fully informed OF everything before think
a moment OF doing IT,
II Now, sir il is said that get, 10 be sure,
pensa,on for these Ss5s000 Suppose do, does that
alter the fact that the capital is repaid in between three
and four yearsi Not al all And | bring forward the
fact show that this is business that cannot be
tanned by the government ii it costs much as that;
that cannot pay for steam lines IL are 10 re-
mburse the owners OF those lines for the whole
! capital invested in between three and four years.
went TO manage this postal affair that can avail my
self OF the liberal doctrine which the gentleman from New
York Mr SEwARp1 has avowed here, and give some aid
10 lines Boston, New Orleans, Charleston, and all the
other ports, from the ports OF the Old Dominion
where they ready be put into operation But when
am showing the facts that carry out the view that III
you apply il to everybody you will have to pay all the
capitalists who invest in steamships the whole amount OF
their capital within. four years OF the treas
ury OF the United States, am answered by being told
that receive portion OF the earnings OF the ships in
the shape OF postage admit that il but rely
upon that 10 show that this is either partality shown
to the port OF New York If you make IL general, and
extend according to the suggestion OF my Trend upon
my right, as am anxious ii to go into this bus
IL all TO have tdonethat 90 upon principles we
cannot abide by, and upon principles which will not
stand therefore say, from the facts we have before
us, that this SS5S 900 year for the performance OF TINS
service is exorbtant allowance, and before can vote
for II, II must be reduced
But will not de,ain the Senate by going into the par
ticulars involved in the TO show what would be
reasonable sum | will say, however, think II would
be reasonable and think stand $25,000 trip, but
cannot 90 beyond that point From The view which !