The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1852-05-27


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Mr.. DAWSON dislike to nterpose any obec-
ton, but consider that the vote OF the honorable
aior from California Mr. GwISl Is important 10 the
passage OF this amendment as upon any other PROPOSE
ton IN this deficiency bill The votes are 10 be taken
taken according TO the position they oecupy-tha
is FIRST upon the appropriation TO pay this claim, which
consider Justly due as any claim that exists rea-
lion 10 this Collins line The vote OF The senator from
California MIR GwIsl is as important TO do justice TO
The claims under this appropriation as 1t will be TO in
crease the compensation 10 the Collins line
II Mr.. BELL. INTENDED 10 say word-bu word-n
reply to the honorable senator from Michigan, Mr.
CAss j but will waive that privilege as the Senate is
DESTROYS 10 vote upon these questions now. 1 wished
merely 10 show that the warnings OF the state OF things
among these Indians commenced to be given in March,
1886.
Mr., DAWSON | must ask for vote 10 be taken
upon this proposition now.
i Mr. GWIN gave the reason why wished to have
the vote taken upon the appropriation for the Collins
Mr.. DAWSON understand the reason perfectly
desire to have the advantage OF the vote OF the senator
from California Mr. GwIRl to aid in doing justice 10
these people who have been oppressed in this way.
am unwilling for the senator from California to leave
till he votes upon both propositions.
i Mr. GWIN. | wish 10 say that the senator from
Georgia mr. DAwsoNl entirely mistakes my position in
regard to this amendment He has no right to
that going to vote for il, Tor have not so stated
heretofore. was chairman OF the Committee on Naval
Affairs, 10 whom the subject OF the Collins line refer
red; and under the instructions OF that committee IN
troduced this amendment to the Committee on Finance
and therefore feel that degree OF responsibility that
every member OF this body should feel in bringing for
ward proposition oil such Importance. that should be
present at the close OF the discussion and the final vote
4 upon the question. 1t has been under discussion now
for weeks, and myself have not spoken len minutes
upon il and inasmuch as have been here all the tlme
and matter OF very great interest TO me- very nat
urally wish to be present to vote upon this proposition
which was in some degree under my charge am
Obliged TO leave the city 10 morrow morning at SIX
O'Clock, and desire to have an opportunity to vote now
That is my only reason. should be very willing to
upon the other propositions but as this was the first
in orda lshn kp IN ha vOtpd mn first
i Mr. RUSK. | have suggestion which wish to
make, and it is this: both of these subjects have been
proposition before us-his Indian clam-we can get a
vote upon both apprehend. 1t is not yet quite four
o'clock, and understand that the amendment in regard
TO the Collins line can be voted upon now. hope,
therefore. that the Senate will proceed TO vote now.
MIR. BELL wish to make personal explanation.
gentleman has just sent me note, stating that prob
ably did great injustice 10 General Jesup charging that
he authorized the friendly Indians 10 take the property
of the whites did not say that. said that il was
impossible for the officer in command which the officer
himself states, TO discriminate between what belonged to
the whites and what belonged to the Indians. Although
General Jesup did not authorize the Indians take the
property OF the whites, knowing il TO be SUCH yet the
|, consequence that the white settlers did suffer
though General Jesup. OF course did not authorize them
10 take the property Of those settlers.
MIR. CHASE. | wish 10 state very briefly the reasons
which will govern my vote upon this question. should
, have been very glad if the honorable gentleman from
Georgia Mr. DAwsoNl had thought fit to have had this
subject postponed for the present to accommodate the
, gentleman from California. Mr.. GwIN] Now, as SC
large portion Of the discussion has been confined to
matters which be totally irrelevant 10 the
real merits of the question before US, think it is but
right that few moments at least, should be devoted to
, the discussion OF The questions actually involved
Mr. RUSk. Will the honorable senator allow me
to make another appeal 10 the honorable senator from
Georgia, MIR. DAwsosll do not believe we take
the vote e strict Justice 70 ,as claim ,R
well This question is now before us If il is desired to
discuss it, lei be discussed and let take its precedence
as il now has done, and not have the vote upon
this afterwards. prefer, as the matter stands thai
we should take The vote upon this first We will have
fuller house, and get fuller expression of the Senate
II have both propositions before to be disposed OF
Mr. CHASE have not the slightest disposition to
consume the time of the Senate every gentleman knows
But should be extremely glad if the senator from Geor.
gia Mr. DAwsoSl would withdraw his objection. II
seems 10 me due TO the senator from California MIR.
GwIsl that that should be done, The amendment in
gard the Collins line stands first 10 ORDER il set
aside by general consent for the accommodation OF the
senator from Arkansas, Mr.. BoRLAsD.l who was not
prepared proceed with his remarks in consequence OF
sickness. IL the indulgence shown TO that senator
indulgence which is ever accorded by the courtesy OF
senator from Tennessee MIR BELLl lis present posi-
ton. should be extremely glad repeat, IL the
tor from Georgia would withdraw his objection and per-
nit the question 10 be taken now upon the appropriation
, The PRESIDENT That proposition has been made
! repeatedly, and i IS now subject Tor discussion;
Mr.. DAWSON. | will state 10 the honorable sena-
ter from Ohio, Mr. CHAsEl that when this bill comes
up in the Senate it will be entirely within the control of
the body and his speech can be well delivered then
now, whether be for against the proposition. am
not stubborn, am generally disposed to nlerpose OBJ
lectons IN oil this sort But when two propo
sons before the body at once and think the relation
which bears to the other disposed TO occupy that
position which will subserve justice on both sides.
; MIR CHASE | am not aware OF any relation which
exists between these two propositions trust there is
none trust the senator IRON Georgia MT DAwsoSl Is
altogether mistaken in the inmaiion he has thrown out
that there is any connexion between these questions.
. What connexon can there be
Mr.. DAWSON. | mean that connexion which they
have in relation TO the number oil senators shall have
when the votes TO be taken. Both questions will
keep the senators in the Senate chamber, and fair vote
can thus be had.
/ The PRESIDENT. The Chair will have 10 interfere
again and say senators that the subject matter under
consideration Is the amendment OF the senator from Ten.
nessee, lMr BELL and il can be set aside and another
matter taken up but by unanimous consent.
: Mr. CHASE WILL then, proceed 10 state very briefly
the which will govern my vote upon this ques.
discussion which has occupied much OF the time OF
the Senate, respecting the policy OF the administration OF
Gen Jackson IN relation TO the Creek hosties has any
thing whatever 10 do with the questions presented by this
! amendment Whether that policy wise unwise,
IL cannota least IL should not-afec in the slightest
degree our decision upon the proposition presented
4 to us.
What is the simple, the naked question before the
Senate IL Is this Shall the government OF the United
States pay the OF S355000 for alleged depredaons
committed by the Creek Indians upon the properly OF
persons in Alabama and Georgia. Tha, is the naked
question: and that is the whole question before Shall
the government OF the United States pay that sum as
indemnity for depredaons committed by the Creek In
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