The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1852-01-01
CITY WASHINGTON THURSDAY MORNING JANUARY 1852 l3ea

and nays which being ordered, not agreed to-
yeas SO, nays 100. kn
The question recurring on the adoption of the resolu
ton 10 stop debate which the yeas and nays had been
ordered, II was put, and II was agreed to-yeas l02
nays So,
| Mr. CARTIER moved 10 suspend the rules to 90 into
Committee OF the Whole the OF the Union. Bat
| Mr.. STANLY moved that when the House adjourn,
they would adjourn 10 meet on Friday morning On
Mr.. vENABLE demanded the yeas and nays which
were ordered.
The House adjourn they adjourn over until Friday was
adopted
The motion TO suspend the rules TO go into Com
mee OF The Whole on the state OF the Union was next
agreed 10.
The SPEAKER having called Mr.. Josrs, of Tennes-
see, TO the chair,
mtee to be the consideration OF the Presidents annual
message; which Mr.. HoUsToN, OF Alabama. had
offered resolutions for its reference, in parts, 10 the diff
ierent standing committees OF the House which
| luiloDs Mr.. SEYMOUR, OF New York. had proposed an
amendment The consideration Of the said resolutions
and amendment he announced TO be the business then
Mr.. SEYMOUR, of New York, asked that, as Mr.
HoUsToN detained from his seat by Sickness, the
committee would pass over the resolution of that gentle
man and his own amendment and proceed TO the consd
Grafton of the resolution OF Mr. CARTTER which referred
TO another portion OF the message, and was already be-
| lore the committee But
The CHAIR decided that motion TO postpone the con
sdealion OF any particular part of The message not
| in order. tt
i VII VI NtW oTk, sdlu ludt MS HiouoH
was not 70 postpone any particular part OF the message
bur simply Mr.. HousToN's resolutions and his own
| amendment thereto.
| The CHAIR explained that Mr. CARrTER's resolution
could not come before the committee unfinished bust
ness and also ruled that it was out OF order TO
postpone the consideration OF particular part of meas
VIZ state Of the Union.
| MIR SEYMOUR, of New York, appealed from this de-
csion.
Mr. RICHARDSON held that the gentleman from New
York had the right to make the motion to postpone its
effect however, II agreed to- was matter for aftercon.
| Mr., CLlNGMAN had understood the CHAIR to decide
that Mr.. CARTTER's resolution not before the
miee. II right in this understanding. he desired to
m~ve an appeal He argued that mere fact that the
conu1.ee had had Mr. CARrrERs resolution under CON
sderaton when last in session, made legitimate sub
]ect lot me ACHES Of the committee at this time The
erly return 10 it He the.eIore appealed.
The CHAIR explained tn.s the rules prescribed only
how business hat had osen Tster,-d 70 the COMMITTEES Of
/ Mr. RICHARDSON doubted the propriety af the view
OF Mr. CLINGMAN and referred to the fact that last
session the compromise measures were ffeques,ly
reached only by laying aside all intervening business
Mr., GENTRY called for the reading of the resolution
of Mr. CLIN6MAN. which, being read again, proposed 10
close debate on ne portion Of ae Presidents message re-
latng to Louis Kossuh.
Alter conversation between the CHAIR and Messrs.
CARTIER and FlCKLlN,
/ Mr. CABELL moved that the committee do now rise
not agreed 10 (by tellers)-ayes SO, noes Sc,
The question recurring on Mr. CIIsoMAk's amendment
| after conversation between the CHALK and Mr. SEI-
M0UR, OF New York, the precedence OF the diff
erent appeals made which had been voted on, the
question was put on the appeal of Mr. CLIscMAN; on
which
/ Mr. CABELL demanded telers, which were ordered ;
and then the question being put, no quorum votedayes
SO, noes IS.
MEMBERS. Call the rolI--call the roll"
Mr. CLEVELAND demanded another count
| The CHALK demanded TO know whether there was
objection 10 another count.
! Many MEMBERS objected and there arose a cry OF
" call the rol-call the roll" over The hall
| The roll being called, quorum answered TO their
The CHAIRMAN reported the names OF the absentees
10 the Speaker when
The SPEAKER again vacated the chair and
Mr.. JONES' of Tennessee, again assumed it.
The CHAIR next stated the question 10 be on the ap.
peal OF Mr. CLHGMAS; and the telers having resumed
their places, the committee proceeded to vote it, with
the following result ayes 30, noes 50.
| So the decision OF the Chair was oyerruled,
The CHAIR then announced that the Presidents mes.
sage was not before the committee but the resolution Of
Mr.. CARTIER. Such he held to be the effect of the CON-
mtlee overTuling his decision.
Mr., STANTON, OF Tennessee did not SO understand the
effect OF iaat vote He held that the Presidents message
was before the committee 10 which Mr. CARTIER had
offered resolution bearing upon a portion OF that
paper; but
The CHAIR insisting on the correctness OF his ruling,
Mr.. STANTON, OF Tennessee, remarked that the
manner in which the resolution OF Mr. CARTIER up
was OF no Importance so that it before the commit
tee The fact that il was before the committee was the
important point.
90 ne Tesoluuon OeiHR before tne t0use-
MIR DISNEY, who was entitled to the floor, went on
10 address the committee He conceived this 10 be the
time for acon--not for speaking-and therefore, he
should be bnef He had no fear of the Intervention
question, which seemed 10 be spectre yesterday the
eyes OF many gentlemen. He argued that unde
served importance had been given points OF order in
this case
Mr.. d. conended that committees OF all sorts were
authorized any subject that had been referred to
them as they ht, and doing IL competent
for them 10 lake up anything bearing such subjects,
and TO 81 act II they it, He therefore, con
cuded and urged that much OF The message referred
Louis kossuth and also the resolution OF his colleague
Mr. CARTIER, before the committee. The Commit
mittee OF the Whole the of the Union had pow
superior those of any other committee known
any other legislative bodynot being tied down by any
rules Under these circumstances, Mr. d. argued, there
could not be question as TO the fact whether this CON-
mitiee had authority to act this resolution and this
subject generally
MIR CARrTrn's resolution, Mr.. ID argued did not. as
had been alleged. propose to refer the matter OF the
milled that that could not be done by any com.
miree whatever. That resolution, however. proposed
that ihe House should make that second reference He
agreed with vast majority in desiring action, but
would, before taking his seat, discuss the resolution.
He agreed with the chairman OF the Committee For.
eign Affairs MIR BAYLY that the resolution involved
affirmation OF kossuihs doctrines as 10 The duty OF this
government in connexion with international affairs.
Some members had objected to hearing him in the Repre-
sentatives Hall because he foreigner, He bad no
objections TO hearing him speak here He He[Kossuh
who stood far beyond all attempts TO eulogize hun,
even by the most eloquent IN the House. No action
these resolutions could Affect his standing this other
countries. lie lkossuth1 would be false TO his mission
If he did not essay to carry his point BY any proper