Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-25
N0SD.7I. May %, 1851.
The Legislative Department.
1Continued from No. oS.l

,,rrry have stated these facts in regart
Mr.. shhr of the State upon authority, which
10 me e,a,on from Rappahannock (Alr. SrRorHER
as the eeh.If nresent during the last week or TEL
vas ~ a session, presume IS oe'ter lnan any up,'
Gays Oh '"e Gentleman can rely am satshed OF 'h'
WIN ~. .; the facts have s.aeu' I'u 'ron Sns'
correctness =. legislatures, know there ha: been
-, deal of remlss:ess ui'o
.; 80, an important enAsas with Tho gentleman !,
Nf. va sra,cd, that in the hufr! ol business u,
days 0! the session may W 90 y, o m, VI, Va,
co:..eq not tina, the alarm should So to suci
country w have the legislature abolished entirely
en- en- ihiak lhore is some danger. iLaughter'
OF "I" 1, seems TO me if you adopt he amend
,'. IF the gentleman from Petersburg (Mr. WALLACE
,re.,,t rm you might as we'll nave an asoiut,
II - because we know that at the end OF the scs
49, rre are not more than twolhrds OF tue member
60 No matter what the emergency, II would et
,r, impossible to facilitate OF eApeo'te TAG Pass.e
~; hill Of very great Importance .No"' 90 NOT 'tihi
tie Ssac.a for this es mes u, 'S ara ,h Sna
- Scen offered here but that the people are the mos
men, 20 apply the corrective IheS must sen.
'e'a. who are qualified and understand what the,
49,, ,u--men who have integrity to do what they be
vr 70 be right. If they are Mt capable of doing that
~ al vnur limitations and restrictions will turn out I,
WI a. efec;ual. Twill adopt neither the propo
' - ii the gentleman from Shenandoah, (Mr. VII
So nor the proposition OF the gentleman from Re
800 (:r ALLAcE.) II we adopt either, am fl
,5rt,: he proposition of the gentleman from Peters
sr. wsich with the modification have sugg :sted, b,
>s:i,j.itr may not be attended with very bad couse
c-e@ces
), -sli upon three several days. That rule may b,
'.9eqted D. a majority vote. At the last session i;
-s c,ad. necessary to have two-thirds vote Those
-. ne rcs adopted for their own government and un
-: members become corrupted, which cannot believe
will generally adhere to such rules as will enaot
-, . understand what they doing. Now, some
n-rs;e bills Of sort OF importance may pas without
an rec and when they are not very we'll understood
u ali bills OF general character are printed and rcac
- 80, members And in this case cannot see any rea
or reading all bills three times merely for the saS
~ conforming 10 constitutional provision. Now
N, some provision in relation to money bills, anc
80 il 10 the sound discretion OF the legislature to pas
Ya,. bills and other bills OF general nature contain
~ appropriation. of money, according to their Sense
,v That is nv idea of this matter bill has to
9, rlyi both houses. Suppose the bill Is sent from
the muse Of delegates to the senate. II is referred 70 :
,o,,,ec and read over with view Of correcting any
r1rs from hastv legislation in the house 1t IS req
over there and By their rules II is require 10 De reac
-r. times in the senate. This rule designed tt
an,ne members 10 understand what they doing anc
10 tuy consider ali the provisions in the bills sent t
ncrc according 10 their Just merits il IS rot our Pro
vice 70 descend into the mnutie of legislation.
mink with the gentleman from Petersburg (Mr. WAL,
I r.l
pr ncip,es and let the legislature carry them GU
= rood faith. Whenever you attempt 10 descend int
the minute details OF legislation, and more especially
whca YOU attempt to adopt rules Tor The government
the two houses of the general assembly, You may, an
in all probability ', ill., commit errors. Those errors
cannot be corrected unless you design to provide f
another Convention to correct the hasty legislation o
this Convention. shall! therefore, vote against IN
proposition OF the gentleman from shenandoah, Ar
WILLIAMS because think il would be exceedingly II
convenient IN its practical workings understand tina
;ey DAYS ago. YOU limited the sessions OF The genera
assembly, ,c ninety days, and that It is to cit out once
;,a wears You are in effect saying they shat
a pi no rule 10 expedite their legislation however sun
-, and lnmportant It may be- snail vote aSainst t's
r,s ,.lcrt and shall vote for the amendment nav
-~.,.,I You must repose some confidence in the ie
awe lcaacE Of the government oi you may as WEI
o,b alta, l,ner !: is necessary and indisPensa
>. ara q the government, and snail rely upon L"
-,n. 70 SIND competent men 10 make laws 70 see ina
ill., 40 made correctly and who will understand thea
v.ca made. Tia; will oe my dependence, and it is no
Il upo,- minute limitations aud restrictions upon Tie
.r,ra u member. when they get here
w.4CHAlR Upon moments reelection the char
.2.i.aet it viii not DC IN order 10 amend ue ITS
g-,gjs.;lta This is question aPon az amendment
e .s,rndmen. and there can De bu: TWO amend
meas pcudiag before the committee at the same 'Imc
Mr. PRICE. Is i: not proposed 70 strike out ~
s-l-nd.en, Of the gentleman IRON pe'ci sours, tAF'
NALLAeE) | supposed the gentleman IRON ohshah
Trc CHAIR Ina, is very true. The amendmon
q: he gentleman from Petersburg is an ameaduen, L
..e ey:sativv report and the amendment OF the gen
iein.n from Shenandoah is offered as anendmen; l.
.ga'.
t.-. JACOB. hare been cndeavorng to &c, tn
10. Tor some time p.st for the pur ose Of making al
!lg!!cv. Will The amendment proposed by thu gentle
ran rom Petersburg to the offered bv the gentle
aoc :-a: Shenandoah, apply to what IS called rydc
- a.!. amrndmet TO nlll before the less-
III IA / Nil h..
t.e ocfrc The legislature in the usual way. and gen
,ynqn moves an amendment that is as unlike the OIL
r.a as moo. 20 green cheese you'd nevertheless
BE- IL c7!yr take II, it would be III order to move 2
,,,as,i.c I, gha, IS called ryder, and that It wou'
IL c.essary ,!.at it Should be read three differ
days.
Nr. HCOLFOLK. desire to know whether an ap,
"a as been taken from the decision Of the ehairt
,if JACOB. am speaking TO the question. ar.
no. ,,k.uc an appeal. hope the gentleman will pay ;
ii.,a more attention TO what is going Laughter.
m, CHAR The chair understood he gentleman
f-o,n Wheeling MIR. JAcoB) speaking to the merit,
9! lie question
NJ JACOB If ! am right that ryder be moved, i
would be necessary to move 1t on three days
I, seems TO me TO be unwise to attempt this amendment
an satisfied myself il is IN vain to attempt - brid
isla,ion upon the supposiion that 1t VIII act unfairly
ui.i.civ or trauduentlv. If we have not conlcenc
enough N the legislature to suppose that 1t Will &C
i,,..,lr wisely and above all not frauduently we ma
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Nance in our future legislatures. We should not s.
c.7a the legislature to prevent It from going o.
win il: I'd ary iabors and duties. Now, It seems Il
Nm, .hss,,o:nendmcnts il adopted, will have tina
c;.,; y thou, At last accomplishing the purposes gen
..e.rcn propose
>, Gar; 10 the effect of ryder. ryder can b
noe, only in the house where the bill originates
ua. hsu be read upon the passage OF the OIL IN IN
c waer. it originated; it must then go TO the ote
sc, mere under the provisions OF the proposition
c -an,j.man from Petersburg Mr. WALLACE 1t m,l,
bra. ,1r.e times, as substantive part Of the bill
Another provision Of this report OF the legislative com
r..,se requires that bill shall. contain enactment
l., :ao.e than one object:
ir JACOB. Will the gentleman allow me 20 in
,sr-u,. Lin. Suppose you move as an amendment I
sra: OF the whole bill and insert another
Nj. SHEFFEy. The bill as reported will be rea
one. lore il can &c amended. 1t will on another da
b. read second time if substitute be then odere
iori lie nil, tia, will be read as an amendment to tn
uIa am; il adopted will be read on its engroSsnen
aid N il passage. in this way the house will hav
IN ice OF the character OF the bill and that Is ali