Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-05-30

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prorement and to apply and appropriate and oI: no
afford such legal facilities may Be necessary ~
the sao county or counties to contract for the
Of the said work and to construct the same
s. The legislature shall never hereafter suh.crt
OF Tor any work of internal improvement Other tbn
Two railroads hereinbefore mentioned more than .
nths OF the capital necessary for the construc,n
!, such works of internal improvement '"@'''" d
The proposition was accordingly laid upon tn. ,,,
and ordered to be printed '''s table
TERMINATION or THE DEBATE.
Mr.. MARTIN, of Henry. renew nv motion - 81.
up the motion OF the gentleman from Pittsylvaniu ~
TgEDwAr,) which was laid upon the table '''
Il MIR. FISHER have risen for the purpose Of -
king motion, which, from my long absence from -.
llamentary body, do not know whether NAV b. ri
IN making But think / right. / would noG- r
of the Chair If it is in order to the postponeno
of the further consideration of the motion to take ~
that resolution y
The PRESIDENT suppose it is in order.
MIR. FISHER. That motion ! make, and will viii
the permission of the Convention in addition to ,hes.
remarks offered the other day. in opposition TO hi.
resolution offer few further considerations sby INV
motion should be sustained.
! Mr.. CHAMBERS Can it be in order to po.tno,e
the consideration of subject when it is not before ,hr
Convantionl
The PRESIDENT The gentleman has not moved 10
postpone the confederation Of the subject but to post,
rention.
Mr.. CHAMBERS 1 beg pardon; misunderstood
the motion
Mr.. FISHER. The very introduction of the r.,olu.
ton ia itself unpalaable and the threat with which il
was accDmpanied that it should be called un evsrv
morning, was still more So Moreover as ueutlen.n
have erinced determination to carry out this threa,
and inasuluch IS this resolution is to operate nonIy
upon the western people, and the people of the trans:
Allegheny country, deem Tiny duty as member ofb,
IL
the voice Of my constituents shall be snotlered in
this way And although l do not know that shall
occupy upon this floor hour eron onehalf hour
more on the basis question yet still insist upon !,
that the binding up OF orr WILL and taking away from
constituents the right to have their representative
heard here is almost ii not quite degrading rs the
basis of representation that is intended to be imposed
upon US lappeal to the gentleman hointroduced h,
resouton-lappea to his Of fairness and linincs,
to say whether be will press this with the pertnac
ty with which to be pressed solemny d-clar.
in the presence Of the Convention-n the presence ri
the Comnonwealth-tha were in his place and lie in
mine, would not be induced by any caucus arrange
ment whatever by any party attachment party lies
BY any local feelings and associations with the feeling.
which now actuae me- to do that TO him which he at
tempting to do tome Iwoudnot if was about attempt,
ing put upon portion OF this bas. Of
representation that odious Them lake from them the
power of 1t is, perhaps the most tyra
meal act that has been attempted to be perpetrated in
this body and what excuse is offered for What do
eastern gentlemen contend is the for this mea
sure so harsh, so CALLING to our feelngs-a
which can only have the effect of irritating every west,
ern man here, and every beyond the mount aims
DO eastern gentlemen assign any substantial fot
do they pretend IL to stop to soften the aspe
lty OF debates Do they contend. for single moment
that the debate has run wild On the contrary is il
not for wholly and totally different reason Is it not
because the debate in this body upon the subject under
discussion is exciting and penetrating the public mind and
conscience of eastern Virginia. And why should il not
hope shall be pardoned for mentioning to ,his body
reason why wish to continue th. debate do not
to say that the information have received correct BIZ,
what DO mean to say Is that have received such in
formation as intend to lay before you. When first
came to this Convention, came horseback, the old
and gentlemanly way Of travelling laughter $50 miles
through the heart of this Commonwealth. came down
the three chopped road, and on my return went up
the river road again to Charlottesville In the month
January returned again horseback coming through
Coyington and down the James river to Lvnchburg,
and SO down the south side Of James river Richmond
and heard the people talk about this mixed bass l
saw, and mixed and conversed with them about it. and
tell you what understood their orators in portions
OF eastern Virginia told the people was the mixed
basis. They put the question to them n this wav
II we put the poor by the side of the rich man.
II We give the poor man the vote we'll the rich
man, and the rich man votes than the poor man.
IS not that fair and equa' and that the mixed bas.
Laughter How this matter is do not know. do
not pretend 1t ID So mean to say that was informed
that such the mode Of discussion there and if ,La
be the fact wonder that such motion is made and
the discussion sought be stopped here But whether
this Is 30 or not 1t Is matter Of very little moment
The resolution in itself is oppressive tyrannicsl and
wholly uncaled for and the majority of this house
Will not put 1t upon u.s. trust for variety of rea
sons, one or two of which will mime That Tho wa,
ority should attempt dole out to US the nodicum Of
political power which this mixed basis will give us with
out attempting to limit our circumstances BY measuring
the time by the onetwefth of the circumference of the
dla plate OF the clock, certainly enough the more
especially when remember that the political mower
they propose to aot to measured bv the standard
al their fears either egned felt for the safety of pro-
perry But they come now directly to the nlark-to
stop the clock altogether Surely gentlemen will no,
pretend to say that they say nothing further upon
this subject, for have kept little account since Sat
urday morning aud will venture to saw that the time
OF this house occupied much greater extent bv
mixed basis gentlemen, after this resolution WINS laid
on the table than by suffrage basis men, Is it possible
that the house will SO far forget the pledge which was
given us that the fullest and freee debate should b. al
lowed upon this subject it possible that this house
VIII SO lar forget itself as to say that it will stop dis
cusslon-that the gag shall be applied trust thu,
before this shall be DONE every western man will show
ny Of such an act.
MIR. MARTIN of Henry. 1t was not nv purpose
wnen offered this resolution to have submitted INV
remarks TO TINS Convention for the purpose of showing
why IL should be adopted; and should not do so now
out Tor The remarks Of the gentleman from Mason Mr.
FISHER IN answer to his appeal to my magnanmitv,
and his remarks that some caucus arrangement bad
Induced Inc to press such a matter before the con
''deraton OF this Convention. So far as an, inform
co. the resolution was not offered on account Of axy eau
cus arrangement; nor have submitted this motion
Win reference to any caucus arrangement
But. the gentleman ap sals U.S. MS an nc. of mag
nanlnity, not to apply the gag to his section Of the
commonwealth. Now, what is the question Of debate
to which this resolution refers. Is it not almost IN.
identical, the very same question: which has been d.
cusse before this Convention for more than three
long months I The question before the Committee nj
this time Is almost the identical question presented BY
the gentleman from Fauquier, (Mf .Scor7) which ba,
been discussed here for munhs Now, as To the ones,
ton of time and magnanmity the ntilnation has Upon
than one occasion during the progress of this debate
been made that eastern gentlemen who were the major
ity ~ thus Convention and could control its operatHn.
We're responsible for the continuance of this discussion
Now have submitted the proportion in accordance
with the pleasure of the House, rs indicated by rot.
OF members from every portion of this Commonwealth
majority Of IS to IS, three or four DAYS ago
by which it was decided that this discussion ought 10 10
brought to close. What has transpire since the pro-
position Of tho gentleman from kanawha, Or S,u.
4Ens) and the proposition of The gentleman from Eau
Quu.r (llr. SCOTT1 Iafaa nd L.,