Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-04

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IN the senate to which il would be- en,itlod ~ ~.
mixed basis and double the majority that nanV ~ ~
delegates think just and this majority, too under al
or u any 5 TO continue iot eighteen
submitted to the people BY the legislature that shaH
meet in the year 1867 b. the governor la hat year
Ind that the vote Of the people shall be returned 10 tbs
eSt regular legislature thereafter and 81 you hare
determined on biennial sessions OF the legislature thar
! legislature will not meet until :fs1 year 1867, aud win
heh anporllon representation ia accordance with tn
vote OF the people and tho first Legislature that sbs
&c siee'eu uhaer that superintendent cannot nees sooi
tha oo3 so that this arrangement must last for e.:
east eighteen years. although long before tina, rsr;od
even on your mixed basis principle the ma or would
have passed in both branches to the west Of s hus
ridge OF mountains.
Under these circumstances and witt th,se facts IN
view, the people Of the WILL SO son, a r.. baI
nave understood them. up 9Th ora socSrS n 80
support OF TIL, proposition, lad receira Il with ,x,,
more satisfaction than the mixed bass t,,ffsnd ne
west may be induced s acquiescc and thus give peace
md quiet aud centc-,tnent to the whole sta and p-.
't''s the unity ard integrity OF this good old Commo-
wealth. -: q NC 80 -.
Ar. CLIFTON Idid not expect u he aEaiin heard
Win regard to this subject certainly did not desire
IT, ut the course Of remark that has been INDUCED ia
mere this morning. the direct reference to myself reo.
iers it proper in my Judgment, that should dstaiu
this Convention with some ,ew remarks On Saturday
asst there seemed to DC Pervadng this assembly spir-
It, the prevalence Of which had had no notice Of from,
the commencement Of this discussion upon he basis
question down to that day / did hope, did believe
chat Il was the result, some exteut &c the pro nect
that was before Us o! speedy adjustment Of this df;
Guilty; ali adjustment which. ii not satisfactory to all
set would be acqniesced in and this eubiect be die:
missed from the consideration Of the Convention and
hose other matters IN my Judgment far more important
taken up for consideration had hoped that when va
met this morning after the calm and tho quiet Of tho
Sabbath had interviewed should have rtt Iarn WITH
mat spirit prevailing to greater extent than il nr
vailed on Saturday. .--..-..-.'
Gu' IN TINS eSpectsl!,h have been disappointed. I
had supposed that Waen into Convention tlx
morning, the progress Of business would e tina ta.s
hs vote nov" ce taken as 5000 this discussion hss
been hnlssd upon agreeing with the committees of the
whole IN the rejection of proposition would be taken
without debate Then you'd come up the question OF
agreeing with the committee OF the whole In strikino
out proposition and inserting tile proposition reported
BY the compromise Committee and then we would On,
on with the vote. agree with the committee or the
whole in striking out a. and then permit the friends o{
the report Of tp compromise committee TO perfect Il !,
some particulars that have already been brought 10 ID.
notice of tho Convention and also soro Others TINT
are more OF detail, propose some amendments which
Will be necessary to carry it Then We should have
had this proposition thus amended standing here subject
To amendment or To any competing proposition that an
member of this Convention might think fit To oIeS
But some western gentlemen rising here TO explain wby
they should vote to concur with the committee or The
whole IN striking out i, their avorits proposition tho
1r.
and expresses his great adherence to that proposton-
the report of the compromise committee regret az.
ceedngly that the gentlemans feelings should have
been such as they Nothing would have given me-
more pleasure than TO have had bis feelings and Opinions
ead him. if not to CONCUR In this proposition vat "a
tolerate it. and acquiesce in it. doubt not that be =
Just sncerel know he just as sincere in the opin-
ions which he expresses any other member Of Til,
body. and therefore shall not detain the Couvenuon
for moment with eerauce to that state Of feeling
81, IT
The gentleman then suggests ob ections to this pro-
position and in reference TO these objections Wish 10
luan this Convention for a few moments. - -
The comparison that he makes between tho report az
the compromise committee and another proposition
which he says could have boen carried and which ba
greatly prefers 10 that report seems TO me to amount
this, that that proposition for which he expresses bis
preference would have given the east greater power
upon Joint ballot 4-.". ~. : .'.-s1-.,-.',
Sir. STANARD II the gentleman will allow me; 10
4c him right upon that subject will sey that N ths
few remarks that made and which submitted in all
kindness and with idea Of raising thR discussion But
to explain my position, confined myself to compnri-
sou Of the proposition Of the compromise committee
and proposition B, which we called upon to
strike out And erdearored to show that proposition
b was more favorable to the east in resptc: 70 the
House of Delegates than the proposition Of tho Com
promise committees That is all said - . -
Nr Chiffon. Perhaps did not understand ths
remarks of the gentleman very distinctly but The point
would have power the House Of Delegates under
proposition B. than We would have under the PROPOSE.
ion reported by tho compromise committee. L may
DC true that such would bio the Ease BIZ. do not sea
lie practical usa 60 bs made, far the east il COO
,erne, Of that power as means of protection Fur
understand have repea ted here and over agnn
hat from the commencement Of this debate down to
he present time tho east have universally put them
evs. upon the position that all that they required
protection against the exercise of the power Of taxation
md appropriation II there has been any Other rnoeTu
operating upon them il has net been avowed in debate
md take it for granted, judging other gentemenby
nvself that every gentleman Who has discussed this
question: in the statement Of the motives operating upon
iiE aa stated those motives which reel did npeFaa
Upon him. But will not detaiu the ConVsntihn.fur-
her with the discussions of this matter. II would haTs
,een more appropriately reserved 1t spensto und
ZONE competing proposition was offered ns an"an'ent-
nent to the report of th. compromise committee,
hen the discussion would have been Addressed teShs
espectre merits and dement's of thu one and thxths
propositions. ..'J 49, s-- ." '"'.!. -. o'9a ,"
isut the gentleman from Richmond, sa, sTrttrf1S1
tates that more objection is, thattherG Is no prft
ipe fixed here in regard to the Senate upon tca "a
pportioument is to be made and &c oaks with GRret
zeal IF emphasis how apportionnncnt isto he fnadeG
'ow, might ask that gentleman upon wiat principle
III the Convention Of 1929 apporton .represcntstton
When assigned arbitrary numbers Of Representation
ie four different AID distinct divisions OF this State
nd then proceeded to npportion them IF principle
+ apporfnment was adopted By that convention ahA'
pped to the apportiounerit Of representation not
sclosed certainly by the constitution itss1f; Bas4
id suppose thatit would be competent for this
uka these fifty senator's and make fair and equal ap-
ortionnent thirty to the east and twenty TO Tire vs4
'ut have heard nothing vet and nothing has egsd
tsef to me showing that the objection or the p<ftF
he gentleman from Richmond; tir. STAxRD Il hSdnd
But Twill not detain this Convention ny.
arther with the remarks ofthat enleInan' I,'oi
But confess that the remarks of the gentlenanfesh
southampton DIR. RlDLzr.) were Unexpected to'fne.
lie rises here and under apparent exctsneni2sp
esls TO the condition Of things exhibited nov
state Of Virginia and goes back and ,ecaptntatss the
ssues and positions OF the respective secona of The
;tate both east and west He says that 'eastern gen
leaen came here pledged to the mixed bssis; and mesr
cru gentlemen here pledged to- annle otherbss'a
md he inquiries how it is that whilst very laga ma.
prty of the eastern men in fzEor. aDdpretered
mother basis Of representation aud large
he western gentlemen preferred another basis
hat majority here to be found coneu1rinX IN this
particular basis Of representation -; ol2z.9 b.; o-a,
Now, permit me TO shy that notwithstanding theex-
preston has been often repeated that nsteadof what
denominated so rallied compromise, the h.st choDe
i large majority if not Of every membeDed ths east
aoother basis Of representation and iAs hrz eooee
# large majority if notofseyeIy NAV eithe 1850
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