The New York herald., 1851-10-18

PASTOR OF THE REFORMED PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH,
wAvERLY PLACE, FOR HEREsY.
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the opening prayer, the clerk proceeded to read the
minutes OF yesterdays proceedings. Upon coming
to the objections made by Mr.. Little to Mr.. Car
isles adjudicatng on the case, he expressed his
doubts as to the propriety of leaving them on the
record.
Mr.. CRYsTIE entirely coincided with the clerk;
the objections had been clearly overruled, and he
wsuld record them simply as having been made by
the defendant, but were overruled
Mr.. SHAW thought they ought to be recorded.
Mr.. WYLIE coincided with that remark. If tho
case should be appealed, the record might be
shown, to prove that injustice had been done.
On motion of the Clerk, the objections were re.
moved from the minutes-ayes z, noes3.
The next specification of count first of the libel
was then taken up, as follows
"That opposition to, or bearing testimony
against any civil government, which may exist
in the providence of God, is contrary to the prac-
tice of eur Saviour and his Apostles" In the fol-
lowing expressions, or words to this effect, our
Saviour says, "Render unto Cesar the things that
are Gears" "When he was reviled he reviled
not again., he made no opposition to the existing
powers, &c.
The CLERK remarked that he did not think Mr..
L. Intended to teach in the absolute form, the doc
trne which was here charged, bat believed he did
use language that might bear this interpretations
He thought Mr.. l.. misinterpreted Christ's doing.
national institutions, and the Roman government
so unde rstood them; hence they said to "turn
the world upside down" Covenanters had main
tanned, church. that it was right and dutiful to
declare their dissent from whatever they believed
was opposed TO God and his Christ, and point out
distinctly who the parties are that are guilty of this
opposition. MIR. LIS teaching was calculated to
discourage that kind of spirit.
Mr.. CRYsTIE thought the evidence upon this ar
ticle Of the libel remarkably clear and decided
Mr. l.. had, in conversation with him, referrei to
the mpossibility of any persons attempting to in
culcate idea of that kind, because every person
that read the Bible knew that such was the closing
testimony of Christ. He told the apostles that they
should be brought before kings and rulers for his
sake; and such was the fact. But there was an
other view OF the subject 1t was the duty Of a
Christian teacher to caution against popular and
tumultuous outbreaks-to to check what might be in
some instances the right. So Christ would not be
not the way to seek remedy; That was probably
the view Of the subject which Mr.. l.. inculcated.
Mr.. WILLIAMS called for the reading of the testi-
mony of MIR. NEELY, which was as follows Mr..
L. said the apostles submitted to the government
Of their day without questioning its origin
Mr.. STEVENSON said he would be guided by the
evidence. The Presbytery had said that if Mr. l..
taught what was there charged, he taught errorsi
doctrine and if 1t was proved that he used the
words charged, words to that effect, he DID teach
false doctrine Mr. ). cited the evidence of Mr.. ].
A. Bowden, that Mr.. l. said that "Christ and his
apostles did not 70 about bearing testimony against
tion among the people"
Mr.. LITTLE denied that that was the testimony
The CLERK read as follows:--" Said Christ and
his apostles did not 60 about testying against the
existing government, exciting the people and rails
ing revolt"
Mr.. LIrTLE-Is there any Chr stian but does the
same? deny it in the evidence
The MODERATOR was sorry to have to speak to
Mr. L.; be hoped he would keep mis- seat.
Mr.. STEVENSON insisted that he had given the
evidence as il was Now (said he) if testify against
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position to the practise of Christ and his apostles
Is not such doctrine cal cuated to bring contempt
upon the whole witnessing church ofthe Lord Jesus
Christ (meaning the convention)l
Mr. WYLIE thought that Mr.. >. had made a
very strange application Of the testimony. Mr.. L.
evidently meant to teach that Christ did not 60
about testifying against existing governments In
such way as TO excite revolt. That doctrine he
(Mr. w j believed, and the testimony showed that
Mr. l.. was urging the example Of Christ for not
resisting by violence, but for submission
After some further discussion, the question was
taken, and resulted as folows:-For sustaining tue
charge, D; for not sustaining it, ) not voting, z
excused from voting, L.
The third specification was as folows:-
That our Lord Jesus Christ approves of the
cruel, wicked, and heaven daring system of slave
holding practised in these United states, so much
that he would tell slave who had escaped trom
his master, to go back and meeky and quietly sub
NIT to the yoke of slavery" In the following ex-
pressons, words to this efec.:-" They (the aoo-
litionists) have done much evil on all hands, and
to the slave himself tending TO make his situ-
alton more disagreeable, persuading him to escape
from his master, and opposing all attempts to take
him back, whereas, Jesus Christ would tell him to
90 back, and meekly and quietly submit to the
yoke"
Mr.. STEVENSON reviewed some Of the testimony,
to show that the charge was sustained, and said
there was wonderful coincidence in all Of II, as
regarded that phrase, TO 20 back and meekly and
quietly submit to the yoke" II, then, Mr.. l..
uttered these words, it was equivalent to saying
hat III so
would tell a slave to go back to his master.
MIR, SHAW remarked that there were some two
or three witnesses who said that Mt l.. made use
Of this expression, while some seven or eight be-
lieved that he did not; that II was rather difficult
to come to conclusion as to what he did say. lie
did lot think that Mr.. l.. taught that Christ ap-
proved OF slavery, but, on the contrary, that he
denounced it.
Mr.. WILLIAMS said this appeared TO have been
very queer sermon, and it required better under
standing Of metaphysics than he (Mr. w had, to
really. tell what M. l.. did mean to teach. lie
taught that q slave ought TO submit, and that he
ought lot; that he ought to submit, for conscience
sake, and, in some instances, to make his escape,
provided he can do so. He seemed to think that
slavery was right, and that il was wrong. ANY
STAKEHOLDER would coincide with such views. One
Of the witnesses testified that Mr.. L. called the
abolitionists q herd Of infdels, and made no dis
tincton between emancipationists and abolitonisfs
The CLERK conceived there were instances in
which Christian man would tell slave to sub
NIT, as, for instance, when be was in the hands OF
the officer. Such might have been MI L. view.
As to the allegation that aboliti nists had made
the condition of the slave worse, IL was untrue;
had no heard Of class Of persons called emanci-
pationists, as distinct fiom abolitionsts. Many Of
the Garrison party were undoubtedly in6deIs, and
he would have no fellowship with them. Then
there were the political abolitionists, headed by
Gerrit Smith, and other classes Of abolitienists
connected with the liberty party, or free soil
ment All these, with the exception of solne free
soilers, were for immediate emancipation. Mr. l..
ought to have kert silent upon this point, and eft
il to others, who lad lived in this country longer,
and knew better what the character of the aboli-
tionists vas
Mr.. WYLIE wished to give Mr.. L the advantage
Of the testimony. One of the witnesses said that
the attempt 10 extract material out Of Mr.. L.'s
discourse to show tha he taught any such doctrine
as that, was like extracting roxious poison from
q nutritious aliment. IL Mr.. l.. had denounced
the schemes ofthe abotionist,, that was no ground
for church censurc. The Garrisonian party were