The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-02-15

and a. recellect them The point OF his argument
cir that the true Interpretation OF the ACT or the
compact that the road was TO be made up TO the line
that il was SUFFICIENT that the road should be made IN
direction towards the State from which rhe would have
te benefit and here was no niece ssy Tor road 70 go Nv
10 her until sufficient should accrue from the sales
OF the public lands Mr. President. il svery clear that
IT, BY the compact the road WAS 10 go TO the STATE she n
sn,aled e have the road made or to have the money
will say, sir, that the senator from Kentucky
plead tina, case once io Missouri and then plead WIN
much zeal as did for her the other day, and WIN
better than | had His words were. as find
them printed
9 contend the rigid interpretation which viii require
you TO the road up TO the very line Of Tue STATE Q,
give him the benefit OF the words he has printed
them, because TO take the benefit and advantage
of his words against HIMSELF sir. will now read an
extract from his speech delivered in the House Of Repre-
sentatves in January Of the year 1875, in which, among
other things pertinent to the matter now before the Senate
he used these words;
. win simply ask II the United States not u"dsr
history of this unsaaline it arose out Of compact be-
the United States and the State OF Ohio at the time
per cent of proceeds of Gales of the public
lands TO he applied TO The making oil road leading 10
The pacrs by which Indiana Illinois, Missouri, Misrs
sippi, and believe Aabama, were admitted ms States
struc,ioa of the Cumberland road inhlment Of this
compact the part OF the United Sta es. That sir,
deny"
IT. u.
speeches OF Mr. CLAY in 1925 and 1850, when
Mr.. FOOTE (ntsrposing) said rise TO point OF or
DER and do with great pain, seeing that no other
senator will do it, simply make this point ot order,
that is not in order discuss the merits OF PROPOSE
ton upon motion be allowed merely to introduce
| The PRESIDENT There can be no question with
regard 10 the point of order raised. senator asking
leave introduce bill must simply give the substance
be permitted to introduce ii but no argument in regard
to the merits of the bill is in order until The Senate has
given leave for it's introduction
| Mr. BENTON. The contrary has been decided here
lofore When | first commenced my movements
against the Bank Of the United States made as full
labored, and complete speeches as could against the
bank upon asking leave 10 introduce the bills The Sen
ate and Presiding Officer will surely recolleci it,
| The PRESIDENT. have no recollection Of il; The
osr has no s ebe, o.
have been INDUCED several times during The session in
going much further than the rule Of parliamentary pro
cesdngs Justices in discuss ng the merits OF bill before
its reception But when the attention Of the Chair is
called to it, he bound enforce the rule The senator
from Missouri will therefore conne himself to state
ment of the substance Of his bull He cannot go into
discussion Of it until is received by the Senate
Mr.. WALKER. Mr.. President, presume il is IN the
power Of the Senate to give leave to the senator from
Missouri 10 proceed and have doubt there is dis
position 10 do particularly as he has partly gone
through his remarks therefore move that il be in or
DER and that the senator from n Missouri $50 have leave TO
| The PRESIDENT The Chair has no disposition TO
curai senator but if the question is made ! t. a
conformity with parliamentary usage.
| MIR WALKER My motion is based upon the suppo-
sion that the Chair is correct in his decision, and the
object of it is to obtain leave for The senator from MIS-
MI FOOTE. I hope may be allowed to say that |
have little disposition to oppose the motion OF the SEN
ato from Wisconsin any one; but shall vote against
it simply on the ground that speech is being made BY
the senator from Missouri and there is no opportunity.
according parliamentary rules Tor any member TO re-
spond That seems to me to be an unfair Of pro
ceeding and therefore have made the point OF order
The PRESIDENT, The senator from Missouri will
conhne himself TO stating the substance OF the bill
| Mr. BENTON. The senator from Missouri will do
what he has done heretofore and what he did heretofore
in asking leave to Introduce bill TO make great ma
tional road the Pacific The senator Will d.
what he has done four five times this session, and
what other senators have jone or be will do nothing
The senator will have The rights which he has enjoyed
merits OF this BILL when heiasks leave TO introduce H. OF
he will have nothing He will have one thing or the
other,
The PRESIDENT. The Chair is obliged to decide
'' MI BEN ON Well. . the senator will no, have
| The PRESIDENT: The question is, then, on giving
the leave II i is objected TO. leave cannot be given
| Mr. WALKER. II has occurred TO me that the mo-
lion has been made several meseven when the Chan
has called senator to order mot the present Presiding
Ocer)that the should be allowed 10 proceed in
Mr.. FOOrE. | rise 10 another poia, Of order: IN.
less there is appeal from the decision Of the Chair
suppose all discus.ion is out OF order.
| Inc fhEclDEN L. j 0e CnaII mas ueClueu. lie IL
compelled TO decide he has done by sense OF what
he knows OF parliamentary law. His attention being
called TO il although be has disposition eurail the
remarks OF any sena,of whatever may have been hereto
fore allowed by general consent he is bound TO decide
according 10 parliamentary law and The rules OF strc
order, which ought 10 BE- preserved in the Senate.
/ The CHAIR will repeat again, that until leave il
granted to introduce the BILL the senator must conhss
himself TO stating the substance OF it, without going into
4 general argument upon it's merits
| Mr. WALKER. | make another point OF order
| The PRESIDENT Does the senator appeal
| Mr. WALKER. No. sir
| The PRESIDENT. Then there s end OF it.
Mr. WALKER Then may be permitted 10 make a
point OF order. Leave has been asked by the senator
IRON Missouri to introduce bill that has been die
posed Of at this session Of Congress- The senator from
Missouri knowing that the rule precludes him from intro
ducing that BILL was proceeding to show why that rule
should be dispensed WITH and arguing the question
before the Senate II for the purpose OF going
reasons why the Senate should give leave introduce
the proposition the second at this session The
question: them is this; May not he be permitted 20 on
and show why should step aside from the rule and
| allow him TO introduce the bill second time
Mr. FOOTE. | hope | may be permitted to remark
have not the least objection TO the speech Of the
senator from Missouri being made, II we accord 10
the senator from Kentucky MIR CLAvl the privilege OF
replying; but does 10 unfair to allow speech
| to be made that cannot be answered 41asN af fEI
The PRESIDENT That cannot be done Every
senator will perceive what will be the consequence OF
making speeches and discussing the whole merits OF q
subject before Il is before the body when person
reply fou get up discussion upon matter not before
the SeDate; and hence II 10 when gentlemen introduce
petitions. they simply siae the substance OF Them and the
Senate then decides what will be done with them