Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-06-13


to explain-that is not the effect of the proposition
Will state TO HIM what il is did not move the propo-
ston but II will be remembered that the proposition of
the gentleman from Fauquier stated that not only the
cities should be limited but the excess to which they
entitled should be distributed in the country The
proposition of the gentleman from Franklin saws that
no city shall exceed - numbers but does not say that
the excess to which they entitled should be
distributed i'll the country The effect OF it would be-
this city cannot exceed certain number; and the ex
which that city would be entitled is distributed
over the Comnlow calth and not within any particular
district. That is the only difference between them
The excess if distributed nj ALL goes to the whole Com
monwealth, and is not coniiuel 10 section The gen
telnat from Fauquer proposes 10 coniue it to the
ton where the city is.
VII. hAOIE. am anxious 10 be corrected. but nm
satisfied that so Far their tables before the
committee, the gentleman from Logan is wrong. Here
is The table, aud 1t Is the only table know Of Tho
amendment vi the gentleman from FaGouie distinctly
made that proposition 1t is however voted down but
do not Yet understand but that the east entitled to rep
rcsentation Tor the entire amount Of It's population aud
taxes. If am wrong have Very little say 1t seems
to me crying wrong To enrich the ceatra portions Of the
Ste by the internal improvements of the State especi
ally at the terminus and that political power should
follow the money when that political power to be taken
from the west and distributed among tho rural districts
Of the east II does appear to mo- during this whole
discussion that those rural districts away from the cities
and away from the lines Of internal Improvement, those
counties who expect internal improvements pass
through them or Them who never expect TO derive
any oeict from the Whole system Of mprov enens it
appears To NE wrong policy indeed 10 claim that they.
Knowing these improvements must ba made, should Ia
willing that Their money should DO drawn from them by
taxation, and carried the improvements of the State,
and that their political },orer should 90 with it, How
gentlemen reconcile this matter do not know, but if
they are willing that their money should unite with tho
n"y Of other portions a" the State, 10 enrich the CEN
trail portions 81 the State and that political power
should 90 with it, Let it remain there Do not. beg OF
yo, lanl back portion Of this political power to the
out side counties OF the east To keep the voE" from gall
ns them, while it rests with all its oppressive influence
upon us OF the west feel it intoerable injustice To
those portion. OF the west who expect to pay large
portion of the revenue ot the Commonwealth and
pest that revenue moi TO be expended for their mmed
ate benefit, but for other portions Of the Stale. shall
therefore, Vote for tho amendment Of the gentleman
from IIrnrcn
Mr.. RIVES. The progress of the committee this
morning brings US if understand the question now I'M
der consideration To the proposition a. believe that
the object OF the committee is to place proposition in
such shape that its friends support it, and its enc
mics oppose it,. A- proposition \ stands, doubt
very mach Under the apportiomcnt whether its friends
can carry It. Through think the enemies OF the pro-
po-li, see this point, ani the question To which ad
dress myself now is this, with view not only of shap
ing course, but call the attention ot the
Ealtter. aud OF gentlemen who cbicc. the aprortot
ient in proposition ~ to the ground Of inquiry which
hnw institute II it is tho object Of gentlemen here
who are IN rodicing these nmcndments-the gentleman
from lcnrico and the gentleman from Franklip-ns l
hay. 10 doubt H. to place proposition A. so far IA the
!pportonmr oi representation i'll relation to the cites
is Concerned in such form to make it more accepta-
bic to the iricd- Of proposition y, then heartily con-
"h the gent lcnian from Franklin and will vote for
MS amendment If tho other han,! the enemies OF
prop >on have re-ored and resorting 10 the ef-
iJrt which they are; 10 make it unacceptable TO It's
friends, and place this proposition in such shape as
will make it, friends object 10 il; then il is ar!nmenta-
~ strategy that woud make vote for proposition
get III the committee Of the whole. Il IL per-
tcctly clear that those who i'll favor Of tho suffrage
or the white basis will oppose proposition \, and those
in favor al te mixed basis will be i'll favor OF PROPOSE
ton il the apportonnet is such that we can consist
emily support it. Then the question, which wish to
undeisaiId is this not with view To oter an obserTa-
tnn but keep every member wise man, upon tho
lookout Cor the manner of attack that is made upon tho
proposition Gentlemen appear to be advocating the
adoption of the proposition Of the gentleman from Frank.
lin with view OF making this report rs Objectionable to
liz friends possible Its friends say as 1t now stands,
they will FOR IT, hut will they do 81 after the
amendment has been cngraed upon i'll If the object
OF those opposed To the mxe basis is, bv adopting the
anennant Of tho gentleman from Franklin, to make it
20 Objectionable that the friends of the report will
against it. say il IS the duty Of every one IN favor
OF the report it stands to vote against the amend
mcnt Of The gentleman from Franklin and after the or
irnal bill is reported the house, amendments may I've
thor" Introduced. Sly opinion Is, individually, that
klrTilG what lie '':'ci gentlemen - III
.!ucinS and supporting this MISUNDERSTANDING knowing
vne her their object j. 10 defeat this Till not-n tho
acnc. az tbs knowledge put il To TIE common sense Of
gentlemen wnthcr j; Is not the best plan to pass this pro-
position wn. at."nd,"nt ii Tie present tImet lake
tho rc2or, it j. an !: The superintendent objection
abl let put in s' shape bS amending 1t rs that
c".ry gentleman who pca hn9 any objections 10 1t,
will have them removed. and VIII go Tor IT, No| AZ 10
the restriction upon the representation OF cities say
here boldly fcarlcssly aud cand:iy, that Will 20 Tor
that restriction upon any basis white or mixed, do
MOI, care which am in OF inserting it in any ba-
.is The only question in deciding my vote upon the
amendment OF the gentleman from Franklin is whether
il Is beat 30 adopt this report, and after carrying 1t INTO
he house insert ii there whether IL Is best 10 voIo IN
H., amendment here in committee. II the object OF the
friend. Of the amendments in having it inserted here. IS
70 defeat the report o! the committee cali upon every
ua vino objects to the app"roilinctt as tio" slauS'
to vote 10 carry it into the house II the OBJECT III mus
airctng here i to put the report IN such shaPe NJ
that those who opposed to the mixed OASIS can coll
s.tcu.Iy vote for it, and those who opposed TO the
amendment being Incorporated hero in the report shall
cooperate with them in that VOTE say we should
carr tho report as 1t Is into inc mousse for eh-
ample. desire that there should be n restriction
placed upon tho representation Of the cities; and
those who are opposed to proposition A also desire
IT, at least some Of them, amongst them the gen.
tIeman from Accomac. CIR. WIsE) and the gentle
man from Logan and Boone AIr. FERGrsoS) II is well
known that these and other gentlemen are opposed to
proirei III, \, fix it may-and that contains d
/ prirri''c which they cannot agree To.
/ Mr. WISE. will say 10 my friend from Fr!nce
George in a!l canior that 80 far rs am concerned
will han; him for the report without the restriction
for believe it will be in the most Objectionable form
t.lcr, the house in which it can be placed, when re-.
ported without IT, shall vote ior the amendment OF
IL. gentleman from Franklin, but if the friends Of the
mixed asis choose report it themselves without that
restriction they can do they may take their chances
whichever way they please ,yewn opinion in all can
sor L. yon p the proposition in the most favorable
position for me when YOU report it without resncton
Tor believe without the restriction proposition VIII
be defeated
Mr. RIVES. 7 am Well satisfied that number OF
nsnbcr- who are opposed to the report will support
the principle OF restricting the representation OF towns
alI cities Suppose that the amendment OF the gentle
man from Franklin is adopted and that the report goes
FROM this committee to the house in that form.
when this amendment 10 the 9TH section comes up
s.:a:n will not that amendment drive many OF tho
friends of the proposition from the support OF the
rropo.ition as it now stands If those now in
;uYdr OF the report and Of its being thus amended
are satisfied that the Incorporation OF the amend.
ment of the gentleman from Franklin here VIII drlye
friends away from the support OF the report after
thus amended. :et them vote against the proposition
f The Gentleman from Franklin We effect the ne