Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-15

e,ing tbos. persons who shall be disqualified, why
cnu9ernte any unless you enumerate ali VINO should
be disouafed Isad ne say still, you choose We
will sav nothing about disqualification we VIII strike
ont tho proyiso Observation-Disclosures the other PROPOSE
tim which have nanled suggested by my friend from
Observation-Disclosures the report OF the suffrage COM
m;ttee in lieu of this as amended, aud raise commit.
tee to digest this subject more thoroughly do not
pretend to say that they cannot do 1t better than
Gentlemen saw this matter is to come up III the house
this is not the proper place to act upon t-and that
by the time we come vote upon it in the house. if it
is referred to committee, it be dgestsd, its i'm
PROJECTIONS pointed out, and the proposition properly
amended. But venture to say, that if we postpone
every one of these debatabe and doubtful questions
instead of settling them as We come to them, tina,
next Christmas will find sitting here. From the
amendments have seen suggested upon this clause
tie report OF the legislative department, see hope
if we 60 in this way, ut all events of getting clear
Of this house before the first day of September next
| the shortest possible time. Gentlemen shake theil
heads when proposition ID mal., instead oflookng al
it. and examining it. to whether it be definite in
definite They will rise, without knowing actually
that proposition is, say they know nothing ahor. i.
and plead that as for voting agansrit If gen
temen cannot study and examine tAisquesiion IN mo
:annt hat want time upon it. say take it, and otel
thcl =. oe>"rtunity to take it. But do insist thai
the YER s=ason 9l:c!l that gentleman gives for no
debating my proposltIuu, the Very reason which
should apply against debating his own. The very mo
ment the amendment Of his coiieague-or the section
from the report of the suffrage committee was perfected
the gentleman accsded to the popular proposition
allowing individuals to be selected to the Senate at thu
age Of twenty-five adopted against the wish of his col
league Thus his own proposition will gain votes b,
The change He has taken everything which be ap
proves from the proposition of his colleague, and pro
position Also which he does not approve from others
make his own proposition stronger and more popular
and all this IN prevent this miserable old con
sti ution of ours from being altered
| tell gentlemen that so far from being an argu
men with me the fact that the old constitution says
and So OF Stare dcciu every thing in that old constltr
tun prima facia wrong and not to be retained with
out great .oal of examination came mere To bresl
1t all atoms and mean to do 1t. so lar rs lies in my
power. There shall be shred left of it. 70. hay
no respect reverence for 1t Mt all. 1t has TWEEN
" years of prescription about It, and Il has done NOR
5isrhef than the next half century repair. | d.
\ want to hear of it again. Laughter know 1ha
reference that provision the old constitution COL
tans certain words that have established meaning
and have taken those words because they are of val
DE far as they 20. But the old constitution doe
not go far enough for me- either in extending privilege
20 the people, in creating limitations upon tn
agents Of the people. Now, am not willing that tn
officers of any description of corporation, created b!
law, with salaries amounting even to $50 per annun
hall have seats in the Legislature and that s what
desire to see tested.
plains that if we go we have to-day, must ex
pec to remain here until the lst Of September,
a later period. If that be so, shall be very willing
when the lst of September shall have arrived to sub
nit it the decision of the Convention TO determine
whether the gentleman from Accomac or myself vii
have had the greatest agency in producing such re
suit.
the gentleman has also taken exceptions to the fact
that have introduced into the proposition which nd
rocate here, provisions which lie admits to he pro
e e
plant before the Convention and, suppose, urges it
a reason why proposition shoGl! be rejected. 1t i
actually. it seems 20 me- urged a. reason why tn.
committee should decline IL accept my proposition
that il contains proper and reasonable provisions which
are so fortunate meet the of the gentleman
from Accomac himself.
Mr. WISE | utterly deny having used such an ar
gument.
7. MIR. GOoDE You have been Inexperienced thel
by ofus.
Mr.. WISE. i wonder that was for could mo-
have b~en palmer. Ny position this: The gen
tleEan had been argning, that it would be fair com
,Iiso:.. -. .''"~" j. not fair u: :sor,.
,ir. ;,oUDIl. came - th.s ro"sn:i.. - so:cI:.
gentlemen here we'll know, with amendment, which
had written and prepared, to he offered whenever
could get the opportunity TO bring it to the considera
ton of the Convention auG me reason why did he
offer il earlier hour OF the day, must he obvious
the Con eentiOn | intended to perfect rs Well
could the clause advocate, which suppose MI vii
cnnccde ny right To do. have but done mus
return the compliment which the gentleman from Acco
mae, saying that my argument is untenablr pai'
ne, and express tue belief that he himself is n tf
same falacy when he contends before this COnveno,
that my proposition coiians proh Editions which he All
Tocaes and yet that it ought not to be adopted By thu
house because it docs contain all which ought to b.
adcnt.d think the gentleman should, at least, <,
with me as far as go, and support those provisions
which he himself admits to oe right aud proper. Now
because unwilling and ullcls are unwilling Il
adopt the propositions which the gentleman advocate:
not because prepared to condenn them III toto
but because cannot perceive the extent OF te bear
ing and their efect-the gentleman condemns and or
poses proposition, to which, in itself, be declares IN
has no objection. This, it to me, with Nil re
spec, is he of the argument of the gentleman
which the gentleman rses here to cordemn the propo
sitiun which | advocate.
The gentleman has also detained Us for some lttl,
time il commenting upon The tc,!.!s - ii III
m~rt, yet, if the gentleman read, or comprehendet
what he read, he must have understood, that he di
not give my meaning Certainly, h" or - iiot under
stand the terms employed there.
/ 'sa argument was, that no man can forcsee the
effect tie term. -" tx the gentc-ii Nj! produce
the body polite. lue!e.. &c nG1c- Of individual!
stattered throughout the country, ho will neces.ar
be deprived thereby of participation in the publ.
councils This is the position in which / stand before
the Convention in regard to the gentleman from Acco
mac. hope it will he the pleasure Of the committee
to adopt the propostoa "a least until the gentleman shall
have had his maturcd and surely when We have pro
position btore u. which he and and all agree to b.,
proper the gentleman shoulc no. insist on excluding it
until have matured everything which, in the rapdit
and cearness ohis perceptions, he deems proper to b.
inserted in the constitution. Ha may be right. an
there may be provisions in his proposition which ougL
to be adopted. do not condemn them now hut 81,
we should uo b called upon to pass at once upon tie
proprcty inrToprety of such propositions called oul
the spur of tne moment The gentleman may here
tofore have ref .cted upon them, but have not
! Mr.. WISE. What is the effect produced in regard
to subject given to committee to net OIL The,
consider and reconsider i'll their committee ROOM anc
their reflections are TO be called dgestions And some
of them indeed strange and ostrich like cgestions
Other gentlemen. who have been, while these commit
tees in session, possibly rejecting little them
selves bring in their propositions amendments to the
work OF the committee and they are to be told there
no time TO consider thcm And thus We are to be
told suppose every time, that the reports ofthe
nttecs to be taken reflections and digesons o.
u committee while the amendments are but sudden,
rapid and swift thoughts. By what authority is it,
that the gentleman says when rise here deliberate ely
to offer amendment, that l have not reflected
upon it
Mr.. G00DE. The gentleman misunderstood me, il
he supposes that said any snch thing. said his pro.
positions those which had not reflected upon.
Far be il from me, say that the gentleman from Ac-
c,mac has not reflected upon every act which he does