Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-22

NhllUn VI men III al Inc hNDCallcHs vi Ho
Known IL wise aud prudent who delaven the Gem
cncrnent of his DAVIS work ut this of the yea
until ~ ocuck
Mir ANDERSON. 1t is well known 10 the C"nven
ton. that have been uniformly in tav'r {" rVeni!
sessions. but am satisfied there IL SO ars" u minority
II not ainjrritv. of this body opposed 10 "''' session.
that good result from thr'n. apo therefore
that tho Convention will adopt tie .eSon'i'n mat ia
been subnI cd cnnpr"rns" 'etw"r': ticst lft
tclicveit the Convcntion Ill agre" ,rinrrh ~ =" cio
those in favor Of tvo:.irg wall Dc Wiling 10 de
siSt from pre>sn" a.. sI!Ui cci larra!fcr
The resolution, a. then adoptcG-a count Icing hat
AYES 40, noe4 %.
:sLATIvE DEPARTMENT.
The Convention them in Committee OF Inc whole
I( Mr.. HorKISs in the Char) resumed ne
Of the report the Committee On The Legislative DE
parincut of the Government;
! The CHAIR. When the committee rose 1t ma TN
der consideration the sixth section oil nc 'clHrV'
at the request oil various members take tbs oc -sor
to to say thai The Chair will enCcavof " P'uscl ce
order than has heretofore been preserved INC u Nr Is
informed that at both ends Of The h.! "hen .ete 'H'ci
noise and load conversation til. members can heal
nothing Of the business that is gong On mere ~ Is vc
nv objectionable in all respects that ms KING "i nsor
der SHOULD prevail. 1t not onlT has al el'eSt upon The
proper dispatch Of business, but upon the character Of
LII, body Itself. Strangers coming i'o t!c nan always
20 oft with bad reports OF the manner ~ "n'I Nc get
along with business The ciaii viii !hei e.oi ADOPT
its rule that when member is spe:kinS' disorder
prevail the Chair will direct him Ito lake his seat until
the house to order When lie O'eLA Is ''a'slng
the same course will he jurssed Hrihoefs must f"-
Inelnbe. there is ru. that mei-> Shall l Ill their
seat. while business is pro.rcs.ir-. aud that while II
member is speaking they shall not ea.'se !" P''"e nls'
cussion and when the Chair ia :cpori'!Sh question
they shall abstain from conversa!l! These Hfc rIcs
which YOU have adopted for tuur "E government ala!
upon their due observance depends tic character OF The
body The Chair would dislike 10 exercise any power
for powers sake bat for ts charac;"r I" Tue Doy ans!
at the request oinenbcs, The Chain will cndea'"r faith
fully 10 preserve order hereafter. Yl VA! re'Y upon
the committee to aid him III c;,:rylE oit lie I!c-
Mr.. BYRD, OF Frederick. I slo4.. Ike to hear the
sixth section reported amended
1t was accordingly read ly the 8 :Ef"Hi.
The Tth sectic. Was then read u lie 1Ec-EiAEY, Il:
follows
The members Of the assent: -hau fcctiFc l"r
their service, compensation Il i: :'tcEtaiea ~
law and pa! out of tie pubic .t";.'tri but 10 law
increasing such compensation : s"e ciiec; UNTIL Tho
end o TIL: torn Tn w!:I 'c rf'.hrta o' the house o.!
delegates c!c2!et hi''; - S'i;t't I" delegates
shall daring tie term for whc! IT, ';.i. i''r ht:i ciec.
;; T., aIrlir.U Il, ::iv ol:irr .: r2!i u"!.: The
nnnw,al.h which rl.!. nA.c her: created q: :eH"o
umes of which shell haze 5~e:. .'a ":.srd daring such
term. except such f:cva rs ula e !Hed By elections
by the people.
.l.. TAYLOR. When .fc jrc,:or= seclicn WINS M.
DIR consideration, iuiicatco Tia. this ,r,iion
was taken ~, for nsivraliu. Son!d "hcr IN &n,~n
ae to make il correspond with -" provision a! The
report %, the right .. ,u!irae vs. Inst IN" ella
t.: or delegate hall, ,.pri"; The term Tor which he
sl;il have been elected hr apioni.i ;o y cil ciIiee
oG croft under IL. commonwealth. &C. !! Was 10 *
cln.c member nl lii. Legislature: !r.I h"..ng Any o.
e, Office during the for w'cI j" vas elected u,
at tie suggestion OF ;oic Scl:;!c!"-l WIN not o'I,r
that alnent:nen, at dis :ic bat :essrve II wnea We
cur.c ato the house. thought II due u myscl! Liter
.iy.u. that notice tc max" this ,i".t:!'.It:
There being 10 amendment offered /" tle TN section
!. was ia Sc! over.
r!,a s;a SECTION was Il. N ryat by The &rnGAHs as
follows:
an Lills far raising revcnic -i.a!l originate in til
housc Of delegates but The seanic me; pr@iUss "r COLI
CIR with amendments, as Oh oihcr bills.
POWERS OF rnE aonrrsEs.
Mr. GOODE When the committee on the lc-,s!a
tive department had this section under consideration
!, wns a,pr.ic,,IeI that the senate would lie retained
ns Il nler. advisor. body "f II. h"n.~ Delegates.
Events with which tie house is !aIi!iar have taken
p:acc which must materially ciIa1Ec the character vi
at body therefore presume It VIII meet with the con-
crrence Of lie majority Of Il" members "l The house 10
give the senate concurrent jurisdiction. With that
view shall propose the following amendment. Il i; to
strike This eighth section, and 10 nser: IN lieu there
OF, the following:
Bills md resolutions may originate III either Of the
houses OF The general a'sc'ly 10 o. approved or re-
iec:ed by the other and mag l." t!'ciced by either house
with he couscn: Of he other.
! Nh JACOB. I wv!.! inquire Of ny Trend fota
Meckcnours. Mr.. CcoHrj ii his "tleci Wit Gof be
attained Dy simply striking OIL ti!cc'' ~ccii.G
Mr. GoODE It may be pcssib' IN: The teman
| is right. BIZ. = would nc matt OF consiT.ctan
as the amendment Propos" Lilo 10 no ham, t!n"
it would be better 70 .c Inserted The Pactice pre-
iered is against i.. owed during time past, bv hs
and other STATE, il is matter OF obstruction,
and there MAJ hr doubt a0oG H. IL wocd be bet
ter / think /" opt TIC amendment which haze rto-
posed.
| c,-rr. mr. De-, al, al e.. J,r. e
the question: ard asked that the question bc first taken
upon striking got the eighth section.
| Mr. SOUTl!ALL. | would inquire Of my friend
from Mecllenbrg, if the provision as il now stands
does rot meet his view entirely understand Tn. 1t
now gives ~ the two house, Of the Legislature
rem; power 10 originate all bill, except taxation ills,
and that understand 10 be the object Of the gcnlIan
Tie senate in regard Ia many bills onlv ~, :
amendments to be cocctGrcd in rejected by the
house Of delegates. But they have power suatc
all OF her bills
Mr. GOODE. Ny friend from !ibcmarc Mr..
SovrHALr) will see that the ris!th section r"stric,
The Jurisdiction over tc ,ablcct Of money bills, to the
house of delegates il its OH gin. apprehend That il is
no! proposed that such should DC the case, and should
majority Of this Convention b" willing give the sem
ate concurrent power 10 originate money. well as
other bills, il will bc necessary have modification
OF this eighth section, :ii in Going So think ii To he
cxpednt 10 declare Tic general concurrent jurisdiction
OF the t'o houses 10 originate bills, and it cau"ot BE-
done in less comprehensive language i!!am that Of tho
amendment hare proposed.
Mr.. SLOAN. wop!d inquire if the senate under
this section has power 10 reject amendments to their
money bills II says they may propose concur in
amendments 10 them well rs other bills, but it does
not say that they may rcjcc; t::em.
| Dir. GOODE ! suppose .ha: tie discretionary pow
or of either house would necessarily mp. such pow
! or.
l!r. BYRD, of Frederick. As understand, the
ton proposed to be stricken out gives to the
ate original concurrent jurisdiction in all cases except
in regard TO money bills. The effect OF the amendment
Of the gentleman from Mcckcuburs Nlr GooDE,) If it
prevails will be to give to The senate power to orig
nate bills Of every character. We are il the ccml9
of the whole and ii is in our po'rcr to call for
the yeas and nays: but entertaining ~ do, invin-
chile r'ruglancc TO the adoption Of TIL; amendment,
viewing i as do . violating a settled princl Pies and
prrcrncei"cd no'oEs upon this subject, the value Of
which ms been established by the tcs; ri experience,
take tbs WY 10 show ~: opposition IN i.
| Mir WALLACE. should like 10 Rave some rcaso!:
given WHY, aiicf government like oars bills o. every
kind should moi originate il either house. can under
stand why III The Congress Of the United States TN, re-
strlci0n IN Tie originating Of bills should be adopted
but L: THIS government! both branches come direct from
the people, which Is no tEc ease in lie Congress OF The
United State ::d besides this our sclae Is TO repre-
sent mostly the tax pairing portion ,f community,
ard cannot see any reason why honey bls should