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be paid out Of The Chickasaw fund | have not
ahlined Inc treaty myself Whether 1t is right or wrong
40 not know presume that the House acted ailef
due examination. II was necessary to examine that
treaty in order determine the propreiy of maintaining
I the salaries OF these clerks.
Mr.. BELL. would like to inquire Of the honorable
chairman oi The Committee Finance II he ha, consid-
eed whenera proposition in this bill to suspend The OPP
Grafton OF that provision OF the bill which makes appro
pauon ioI The support of the Indian department, TO fu
| h treaties &e which passed the Senate without any ex
aminauon as ne very well knows. Tor twelve months,
would be u order under the late rule which he INTRO
duced, believe. and which passed the Senate without
any very particular attention. For think, Mr Pres.
dent from ihe examination which have been able TO
give that provision OF the late BILL which passed in this
body without any difficulty the part OF any one mem
Der, believe. except the Committee Finance, that
Wh oeeons very embarrassing from ITS operations; and
any other that have the control Of to suspend ITS ope
ration fof one year or until we could have an oPPo
tuny OF examining its operation fully, il would be
promove Qf The public interest. said the Committee
on Fiaac<-psshsps ought 10 hayss said member ar
two oi The Commtee ON Indian Affairs, whose Judgment
rely upon great deal, but who think have been
mistaken in the tendency and operation OF that bill have
heard OF several particulars in which it will operate to
reat and from some of the features
OF it think that calculated to promote the pub
lic interest at ALL merely for the purpose OF ascer
tanning from the chairman of the Committee on Finance.
who had introduced that amendment TO the Senate,
whether such proposition could be introduced into this
bill ! am not certain but that il could. understand
that the operation of the rule is TO prevent any approPa
tons beyond those specified in the rule and should like
further to hear from the chairman of the committee
whether or not this is OF the very exampes-thls
proposition before the Senate Is not tins one OF the
evidences OF the Inconvenience OF the new arrangement
which is likely to result, without having been foreseen
calculated by those who supported that organi.
eaton OF the department!
Mr.. HUNTER. | know of nothing in the rule
which would prevent the Offering of such amendment
the senator from Tennessee Mr. BELL] proposes. II
would not be contrary other rules previously existing
and in relation TO this matter OF the DILL organizing the
Indian department, submit whether 1t be not too late
to discuss that question. Ii is true that neither that bill
nor any OF the appropriation bills which up have
been examined with much they would have
been If the House had acted upon them earlier. They
remained in the House OF Representatives Some OF the
most important OF them are there noW-those making ap
preparation for The army and navy; and, work as the
Committee on Finance may, il is as much as they can
do 10 give them hasty examination, and present them
as speedily possible to the Senate ~.
And, sir, in relation TO this, did make more inquiries
than the senator from Tennessee suppose In
the first place. had the assistance OF the former Sec
retary of the Interior, than whom, perhaps man is
better acquainted with Indian affairs in this country,
also consulted the chairman OF the Committee on Indian
Affairs. looked Tor the senator from Tennessee Mr.
BELL this morning, but It was not my good fortune TO
meet with HIM. consulted member OF the COMMITTEE
Indian Aars-the honorable senator from Arkansas
near me, Mr. SEBAsTIAN] was also informed by the
chairman of the committee Ways and Means that this
plan OF organization had been well and deliberately
sdered in the House. 1t had the sanction OF the Com.
mitlee of Ways and Means and OF the Committee on
Indian Affairs there II had the sanction OF the Commit
tee Finance here, far able 10 examine II
and so lar as could take the sense Of the Committee
Indian Affairs, understood that they approved OF it.
When the senator from Tennessee to examine that
portion OF The bill. think he will find that is cal
cuated 10 produce Inconvenience or injury
! Mr. BELL, lin his seat) Which does the senator
mean
MIR. HUNTER The bill for the organic alton OF the
Indian department mean that portion making appro-
prIaos for Indians IN which the Indian department is
organized
Mr.. BELL. MIR. President, do not want 10 detan
the Senate upon the subject do not perceive from any
indications made TO me OF the nature of that proposition
pending before the House. that would be embarrassing
do not know but 1t would be advantageous. But my
impression is that soon as had seen the provisions
OF that bl-for never saw them until after they had
passed this body | was not aware when they
passed, and presume member OF the Senate was
aware, when he voting for that bill and the provs
ions contained in the bill, that he sanconing the
organization OF the Indian Experimentation what had
heard OF them, could nothing exceplionable in
them but there loo little time for consideration
given, either for my coadiuo upon the Commit
tee on Indian Affairs. | am satisfied OF that and am
satisfied since that is not likely TO operate for The ben
EFT OF the public, with the provision that Indian agents
only be nlrusted with the making of Indian treaties,
cept with regard 10 the governor OF Mnnesota-that he
shall be an exception TO the rule do not know what that
was intended for, for my part-whai the motive
OF this the mind OF the officer who recommended 1.-THE
chief of the Indian bureau have the highest respect
for his honor integrity and intelligence too but think
he is likely, liable TO fall into any mortal
man have seen and think that the honorable
members of the Committee Finance, including the late
Secretary ot the lnerio for whom have the highest
respect think that they may fall into error, and have
fallen into think il is not likely 10 operate for
the benefit OF the public. There are some portions of
these provisions that approve at least have little
confidence IN my own hfst Impressions and examination
when come TO look at measure, that would not
se that II would not be beneficial measure; yet my
impressions upon examination that is not do not
mean 10 say however, that upon thorough examination
| would not approve it but | say that inconvenience
and mischies may operate from IT, say the possible
tendencies OF II IN two OF three quarters may produce
the beneficial results and intentions which / suspect
supposng that any member of this body understood
what might have been the probable intention OF them
now only inquire whether 1t s not possible yet TO alter
these provisons-to suspend them Tor twelve months
should like to have the senator from Virginia Mr.
| HUNTER consider whether 1t would not be prudent
measure suspend the operation OF that law If could
that can, IT the Chair has decided opinion upon
that subject know the difficulties and improperly Of
attempting repeal law, We do that after It
has passed both houses of Congress. But not
pass a supplementary bll to suspend this portion! And
IL we cannot do that by bill, cannot do 1t by amend
rules of the body
The CHAIR; The amendment ia to give compensation
10 the clerk
! Mr. BELL, understand it, and il is directly what
am coming merely rose for the purpose of asking
the honorable from Virginia to consider il and
to consider how may be effected II IL OF the
barrassments incident 10 law know very little
CONNIE Of difficulties and embarrassments arising
under this bill. We do not know what about
The senator from Kentucky [Mr. USDERwooDl has
called Tor information 10 know the meaning OF all this
II requires care and consideration. That amendment
ought have been submitted the careful consdea-
ton of the Committee Indian Affairs know that the
senator from Missouri, Mr. BEsTos,l whose practical
Judgment have high respect for and the senator from
Arkansas also, Mr. SEBAsTrAN thought that there was
no objection to these provisions think that they did