The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1851-04-05
!, Q. Were any others in the room, except you an
the persons signing the letterf

z. Did you speak to any Of those Senators SUBJ
sequeniiy, as to letting the letter 20 out Of yous
possession !!
A. did not.
| z. Did you have any conversation with theus
prior to your return to Albany-after they had
signed it-about it 4!
Q. Did either Of them ask you the object youhsd
IN having it signed?
A. They did not. gave the reason when rs-
qucsted it, that wanted to show il to friend who
| was interested in the bill.
q. Did they hesitate about the propriety Of sign
ing it, when i was presented to them
A. They did not.
O. How soon after that letter was signed did you
resent il to Mr.. Suydam !
A. think the letter was signed between and 10
in the morning >, showed it to Mr.; sayds% DO
q. Did either member Of the committee dictate
to you the form of the answer they signed?
A. They did not.
q. Was it drawn up according to your own ides1
q. Did you exhibit it to any person, other than
Mr.. Suydam, in New York!
A. did not, to my recollection.
e. Have you received money from any person to
defeat the passage Of that bill!
q. Have you received any from Mr.. Suydaml
u. Have you ever paid, or promised to pay,
money valuable consideration to any person whs
is officer member OF the Legislature to defeat
| that bill?
A. have not.
O. How did you satisfy yourself that Mr.. Suydan
A. From the reply he made me when asked him
the question.
Q. Did you ask MIR. Suydam 'Are you Mason!''
A. did.
q. What was his answer!
A. His manner to me the first time ] asked him
this question, was such that considered him TO %
L Mason!
@. Did you ask him, during this last interview,
whether he was Mason!
A. asked him if he did not tell me he was Ma
son, and he said no.
By Mr.. Di,nm,ck-Q. At any time during the
present session, have you, directly indirectly, in
tmated to any Senator or officer OF tine Senate that
the defeat of the bill to suppress gambling would
result in any pecuniary benefit to yourself!
Q. When you asked Mr.. Stone whether the bill
would not be reported did he not say that no could
not tell, as tho committee had not met to consuls
about it, but that he presumed it would not be, ~
there already much business before the lse-
| gislature rs they could accomplish
A. have slight recollection Of something Of
/ that sort.
| @. Did you not come to him short time after
wards, and say to him that friend of yours, who
was interested in the bill, wished to know what the
committee thought about reporting it, and ask
| him if he was willing to accommodate you by stat
ing in writing what he had before stated to you9
A. There some such conversation.
c. Did not Mr. Stone state to you that you had
better see the other members Of the committee, ~
perhaps they would think best to report the bnl1
A. My recollection is not distinct about that;
| there was some such conversation generally.
q. Did he state to you after he had signed the
letter that you had better keep it in your hands, ~
| the committee might, on consultation, think best to
report the bill
"A. do not recollect that
Q. What did MIR. Robinson say to you when Jos
presented the paper to him to signl
A. believe he stated that he in favor q
n more stringent law on the subject
Eaumnct IN Mr. Jotnsom:-Q. Did you tell Mr.
Su, dam, at any time before the bill had been intro
duced, that you would have it referre TO Messrs-
Robinson, Johnsoo, and Stone, or words TO that o.
feet
A. No. ] did not.
Johnson, in reference TO this bill, the antechs0-
Der Of the Senate chamber!
A. do not r,collect having any.
q. Did you ever state to either member Of the
committee anything in relation to an arrangement
made with any person or persons about tina, bin
A. did not.
(Sgned) GEO. W. Bull.
And the Committee adjourned to NJ.
FIRE y. M.-Committee met. Present; all the
Committee.
| Mr.. stone, called on the part Of Mr.. Suydam. in
the matter OF the charges against MIR. Bull-sworn
by Mr.. Sn5dam. d. Were you il the city Of
New York, about the the ID or3rd OF Marchi
a, was ne, not. ! never was . in Nov York but
"'' ''''' '''I eS s 3D.. ' A. q. sroSr.
| Mr.. johnson cailca on the part Of Mr.. Suydaia-
| BY Mr. Susaam.-Q. When were you in New
| York, previous to the visit OF the legislature
| A. My impression is that it was about the 7th
when the Legislature went down.
q. Whit was your business ~ New ! ork on that
occasion?
A. My business was this.-My niece, Ms. Jo-
seph Taylor, of the city OF New York, whose mo-
ther resides IN this city, was going home that eve
ming She desired my wife to 20 down with her
My wife and myself went down with Mrs. Taylor
ard her husband, at the request Of MIR. Taylor.
q. i'd MIR. bull accompany you at the same
time on the ZANE boatl
A. lie did.
q. Lid you no, converse occa ,ionally with Mr..
Bull on the boat
A. did, frequently.
q. Was Mr.. Robinson board the boat that
evening
A. Yes.
lat this stage &C the examination, Mr.. Suydam
requested that Mr. Robinson and Mr. Bull should
leave the room while MIR. Johnson was being ex-
nminod. The committee decided, this Is not n case
which in their judgment requires the exercise Of
any power to conn 81 thcee parties 10 leave the room
ny Ne Communicate. What other persons 40
| eeml aIied you at this time!
A. Senators Gross, Kcach, Lieutenant Governor
/ Church.
| q. Wasanything said TO yon or in your hearing,
by MIR. bull, curing the passage down, while yoa
were in New York, concerning the bill for the sup
/ preston OF "a mLiIgt
/ "A. There Was lot.
q. When did you first learn that you were .
member a the select committee. to which the bilt
was rcicnedl
A. cannot tell the exact time when It was-I
rccollect that Senator Robinson told me that was
nj pointed with him, select committee the bill
/ for tie supple zion oi gambling.
q. Did you ever have ANY notice to attend the
meeting Of tie committed
/ A. No formal Lotice. Mr.. Robinson. recollect,
i spoke 10 me something about having n meeting,
| but 10 time was liked o. specified.
z. How long did you remain IN New York
/ A. ] aniyeo there saturday morning, aud len
\ there Sunday evening (Signcd)
/ ). III. JOHNSON.
Mr.. Robinson here stated, that he was waiting
! TO be examined IL u was desired.
I MIR. stone also expressed has willingness to sub
mt TO any further examination Ia relation to the
charge against him.
i ArEiL I, 1851
| Mr.. stone appeared before the committee, and
j Id Ii In