The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-03-28
CONGRESSIONAL.
DrpnnRnD DEBATE,
MONDAY, MARCH 8, 1851.
[IH c0NTiNuA ALTON

RIVERS AND HARBoRs.

ing aaendmenl and connected with his remarks he of
ieFed papera report-whch he claimed lhe privilege of
reading presume will deny the right OF the
tor in his place read that report part Of his speech
Mr. BELL lie could not do il without the consent Of
tho Sepae.
MIR BUTLER Very well hear from the other side
Of the chamber that he had right to read II. Sir
cede point But when the right had been conceded
him by nc Senate to read that report and he handed over
10 the oeerery to read for him, IT would be fraud to de-
prlye hni ~ tbs Indirect way Of reading oat the report
which he could have read himself by the sanction and per-
mission OF the Senate. Now take the gentleman upon
his concession that the Senate had right To deny
this privilege according parliamentary rules But when
ey had conceded the senator from Louisun. the right
10 read tat report pat Of hls speech, hey have
right except By the arbitrary power OF the majority, 10
strain him IN the Of The privilege which had been
granted to him Tha, privilege bat transferred
other, who was to exercise it for him.
At this time the senator from North Carolina, Mr.
BAraER, acting as The organ--and presume the willing
crgao the party ho disposed to force upon
calculated 10 consume time, and 10 force them down
coEdng TO The power OF nunbershe senator from North
Carolina RISES under The refuge, under the protex may
ny the miserable petsx Of parliamentary rule, and aoks
that The reading OF the paper may be dispensed whiak
Of The mouth Of the person who rGadug and ~
ibis indirect way taking il from the senator from Iouislana
himself 10 whom the privilege had been conccleddong
in this ndect way wha. he would pot have done if my
friend from Louisiana had been reading the paper himself
That is the aspect Of the question: understand it. And
will cay for one, that as my friend from Louisiana had
the right TO read that report conceded to him by permission
of the Senate shall he read by The person to whom
delegated, 30 far as my vote Will insure II.
Nov, sir, the senator from North Carolina, MIR.
BApGERl----
SENATOR 1t the senator from Vermont, [Mr
PHELfs
Mr. BUTLER Was it the senator from yermon,1 /
thought the senator from North Carolina Laughter
Well air did suggest this motion, and the senator
from North Carolina has bean spoken OF the who
did and il he the principal he is not the maker
Of the motion have doub he the endorser laughter
and he sand responsible for it, will say that in the
beginning entirely indifferent whether the
om Louisiana Mr. souLE read the report or not But
when had the privilege conceded to him read that
part Of his speech and il handed the Secretary
read for lhu, SENATOR do say deny him the right
read it would be fraud upon the rights Of the senator from
Louisiana.
Mr. PHELPS. feel bound 10 apologize to the Senate
for having involved them in this debate. Permit say
that my only object put end TO proceeding that
thought tedious to the whole Senate. admit that
have been extremely unfortunate IN my attempt Laughter
and if to remain here much longer think should
be extremely careful how attempted to the time Of
the Senate Yet permit me to say, and think may with
safety saw that something like hour spent in the
reading OF that document and human being in this hall
that am aware of listened TO sentence of it. Well
when this will call ii a diseourteous proceeding,
because tha, would not be paiamen,ary-but when
having inflicted upon the reading of document which
would hsur and half two hours, and gem
teman begs of the Senate dispense with IL why, he Is
charged with limiting the freedom of debate. do no,
know that the senator from Mississippi Mr. DAVIS will hear
my question: but should be very much grnhcd # he will
tell whether he listened TO the reading OF that document
not.
Mr. DAVIS of Mississippi, No, sir could not hear
1.-THE talking so great around me- will concede that
much my friend from Vermont. But with the deep
that had in H. II it had not been printed and had no,
read it. should have drawn TO the Secretary that
| could have heard IT,
swor. VIII he permit TO ask him another question 7
II he could not hear the reading of IT, why does he
plain of my interference, as he is pleased to term my mo-
ton
MIR. DAVIS, OF Mississippi. 1t because | wanted
those who had read TO know what was in IT, took
for granted that my friend from Vermont had not that
.Ft a, had ind,
me read the report Of the engineer and wanted him
hear before he voted upon the amendment
Mr.. PHELPS. Can the honorable senator tell me Of
an ybod else who was listening to II =
MIR. Fo0rE. | was listening to IL | said so before
Laughter.
Really there be officially or doubt about IT. The
question submitted 10 the Senate whether that doeu-
ment should be read II claimed by the senator from
Louisiana matter of right that II should be read The
question was submitted TO the Senate.
MIR. DAVIS, Of Mississippi If the honorable senator
will permit interrupt him, want to ask him ques
ton, he has asked two oqueatons OF me.
Mr.. PHELPS. Certainly, with pleasure,
MIR. DAVIS of Mississippi. lie put TO me the question
whether the reading Of document which was not list
ened to- in order ornot Now, want to know whether
speech in order that not listened tohat cannot be
heard. [Laughter.l
MIR. PHELPS. That raises a new issue altogether.
Laughter know that am not very often listened to for
/ do not very often trouble he Senate.
But about this point Of order. have but word moro
to gay in regard IT, The reading Of that document
not claimed a matter OF right by anybody IL was
question submitted tho Senate and upon vote of
the Senate that the reading Of the document com
meneed Well sir, that leaves the question upon this sim
pie footing whether the Senate at liberty change its
mind. Why, may have a variety of documents intro
duced here and the question Of order would simply
to this that when have listened till satisfied,
have we right say that have heard enough That
the upshot Of the matter
Ishoud not have tro uhled the Senate with single
mark upon this subject f had not been for the nlmaton
that there was a disposition suho debate We'll, SIR for
my own pert have cononed myself with listening and
when gentlemen tell that there disposition on the
part OF the majority to stde debate with respect TO thus
measure. my answer very frank one do not Know
where the majority is it may be for the BILL or 1t may be
against 1t.
Mr. CLAY. | have risen only to say few words upon
the immediate question of order before the Senate
lhnk stated actually exists. The reading OF tho
document refused he dispensed with and was COM
mcnccd and after hour had elapsed, and 80 much OF
the time of the Senate consumed, member moved to
dispense with the further reading Now, you and know
all about this. il were to say that had wit
messed such proceeding hundred times IN the House
of whcn after the commencement OF the
reading document which called for the House de-
,crmned dispense with the further reading OF IT. should
then be within the bounds Of truth. Now do not agree
with the senator from South Carolina Mr. BurlxRl that
the senator part OF his Speech has right to get up
and read encyclopaedia tho Bible, or anything else
through. The question at all times within the control
Of the body.
But have not risen add to the argument upon the
subiect. The from Mississippi, Mr. DAus who
presume within my hearing has undertaken to say that
I've yenturcd lecture this body appeal TO the Senate
to say who often fills the lecturers chairthe senator
from Misssuippior or myself Why, what have donet
came the Senate this morning. and SAID TO the Senate
that should take up the particular subject now
under consideration but the minority, II the foes Of tho