Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-22
assembly that no rule shall be suspended except BY

assembly lla1 no RUE sDHi oe eA.eP' "
t vote Of two-third, present:
n SEVERAL MESlBERS so, it has not
Mr. BYRD, of Frederick. it was standing rule III
the house of delegates when was member OF That
body, which for number of years. Nov" we are
. providing in ~" clause Of this report that each mouse
shall provide It's rules ard in subsequent clause
: We are going provide rule for The government O.
INC hoIis" Of delegates. If to toride one rule
ior Tie government of hat body why may re not 20 on
and provide all lis rule, Why may not prescribe
"i'dl e number OF pages shall be- and what The num-
her OF door Keepers shall be Why may 10. provide
whether lie house shall employ ser:cantat-arms or
not: Where can he the necessity proprcty OF null
plyg these provisions in the organic law of the State,
when know the wisdom of tie Legislature has al
ways been sufficient devise all necessary and safe
rules upon subjects If that sort: think it is time To
pause in Ills work .! multiplying and ncunhering the or
game law OF The Commonwealth with details Of this de-
scriPon otherwise the Constitution Will reach an
tent almost imterninablc and viii be too "congruos
ior ;!ic ordinary capacity OF man TO understand our
organic law ought 10 define great principles It ought TO
iX the various departments of government and define
their powers and draw the lines demakatlo between
them, nIt ought avoid ntrdlng upon ordinary de-
tails OF legislation. Yet here we are gol!ig nc: Or
binary legislation going into the rules and
regulations OF each housc--a matter which every re-
publican government since republican governments nave
tcc Instituted las lc each house Of The general az
>cmDly 10 determine.
Mr. StIEFfEI. 10 moi feel vel, to-day but can.
net permit this subject 10 pa, BY without earnestly re-
itotts lie committee 10 make some provision IL rea-
lion IL il. .ic gentleman from frederick Mir.
Binc) Is, opposed cncGmbcrirg organic law with
!mcro's "details: but know enough OF The legislation
ot The State j.. testify lne Iii saying that somcthing
son &c done 10 prevent the gross abuses which have
gradually sprung up III legislative halls me rule
al tie and house OF delegates require bills 10 be
read lircc times, but they be dispensed with at
pleasure, AID have been set aside 10 such al! extent As
TO create alarm IN The minds Of udicou; men am III
formed by gentleman, whose word Is sii!ci" 10 50
sure "f the truth 81! what lie says, that during the
tie ia session % the general assembly there we're ot
/ = rn two ttrcd bills PASSED which were nci read
at ali. either III The house OF i'll The senate ana u2I al
Ter these bills thus passed they were no c'c: eN-
amir"d b, the commltte" enrolled bills. IhuS DIES
ecaIc laws by tie Of E!t.nDei., 71ie 81 whom
anew what they contained except toSe who were on
the committee wi.ich reported theta.
i ic rule IN relation TO ameIi9cLtS has aiSa 0ten
-"a,.ay r"2,:.G, and recently almost a6a2doned In
Sea: .. Ia, INK every amendment read al acted oil de-
tcrac., the follow ing practice has sprung up: y sem
i:en!an proposes al anrhdmr:t-;''rtarr Sehi eEi''
iricid, 20 Suggests that The friend! ii lie I:i have
agreed ~ tc ai.c.Llh.t, and Moves ~ dispense with
Ii" reading; q! ii. The speaker 9tnounce1 tina: ina;
course "ti DC pursued rnl.ss objected 10: AID he
mcn:l": w!c does oie IS looked upon IS cross ind
Grabbed fciu,, bills and amendments 20 through
without reading.
Amongst lie statutes q: the Safe Will be found am
u.inrEcd. &c; T&ssc1 !a, winter, Incorporating L
li..nilI aa manufacturing company. &;I,hor-rg SUB
."!;'tium Is The STATE urnl." conpanv and lI"dl-
l. n"cr or:Ir COTTON -" m"ocm arn:rin"tu ing cor
u.uy How these incomg"ttnl> rlcr'"nlS oehGed
amendments
manner before a,cd. Of which were read III cith
..ouSc. lad there hccn constitutional requirement
that rre"; bill lol be read, allowing no discretion III
reference To he matter 10 body uc attempts
wrG!G hc made &c. such .rri ogeneOus enact
ne!!s passed through the Legislature.
5ir FERGi son, tin rs scat.l L. ,ouraa! shows
,at TIC bills were read.
Mr.. ;'iiE!'FEF. That nav be but, if b. so, the
Journal says VIA; was rot true. Laughter And 1t
j that evil which ISL ~ reach The house nakct
aai oI,priG, At pleasure, tie rule which requires bills
10 BE- read three lcs IL does homage 10 ;he correct
Gv,a o he general rue bat allows II 10 be dIs: scd
mit il. he latter ra! the session Wien the "n!y M
cI:.ato ncEiIcrs obtain !, derived from The rca.-
ng el h,l.:, t'!' the tur debate having passed WISH
reach he cnnricuc"s of the presiding officer n the
houses Of assembly ITO mandate Of the Ccnsu-
ton directed to them, 10 permit bill to go to ITS en-
-rossmcnt, he pat its passage without being
read Whist member of The house Of dele
gates cnde&rorcd 10 tho best of my ability, 10 INSIST
upon the enforcement of the rule but my opposition
was often time, borne down by the /" pro-ress-lovlng
members, no ANXIOUS 10 weep their measures
lhroGgil---I c!l-nel!--ptf f"sGM nc;a@.
In my opinion tie committee caunot deliberate upon
important provision OF the Constitution. lis ann
rccucv order, propriey and safety in the
!rs!s!at oil the State Engra on The Constitution
provision like at IN L." atneGdnt ut. and then al Ds
viii be read, al bills will be prepared 10 be read and
acted Oh with full understanding Of what they con-
tain, and Efforts will hcrcaite" BE- made TO hurry
Through he general assembly crude, nc eeSted, ard, az
has too often Been the case, uuntelg'pe ,nac mcnS
ii the amendment al ny friend from Petersburg MI
WALLACE be ~! in proper FORM request that tho
chairman of the legislative committee, or some member
al H. will III! IN pcrlcctIne 1t so that the object desire
may be tanned Ii is accordance with my taste
or ii prnprety 10 take such matters out Of The
ha!dS Of those who have had the subject GicT their
consideration Ny purpose IN rising was TO testify TO
the fact that there is grievance IN this regard which
ought be rcmcdied, and TO request that those who arc
entrusted with the management OF this report Will sup
ply the remedy.
/, 7 4 * nr1p opt|p
amendment; 10 the original resolution in the pant that Ii
to bc stricken out.
! Tic CHAIR There il no part proposed 10 be slrck-
out.
Mr. PRICE mean the amendment OF the gentle
man from Petersburg (Nlr WALLAcE(
I The CHAIR. The amendment oil the gentleman from
Petersburg to insert the end Of the ninth section
! 1t proposes to strike on; nothing.
= Mr. PRICE | u.i orstood il was substitute for tho
The CHAIR. No, it i, TO in'ert at the end of tho
ninth section. 80.
Mr.. PRICE. Then move to amend the amendment
of the gentleman from Petersburg so es to make the
consent Of @o-hlrd: of the members present necessary,
Instead of iwo-:rds Of the members elected. UNDER
sianL be in orr"-.
: The CHAIR That is in order.
, Mr.. SrROIIiER. DO moi desire TO discuss the
propvstOn before the house further. than 10 say that
! there can he no particular objection 10 it, nor, in my
opinion there be any particular necessity for II.
rose chiefly 10 say that think my frerc from Augusta
lMr SmErrrYl dipped his BRUSH into rather 700 dark
color. in painting the legislature Of the State, and lest
the present tide Of odum upon the legislature should
~ cep entirely away, desire merely 10 say that my
legislative experience has not been quite as dark as ha
seems to have been. Il not my fortune 10 Lave
been here the last uTs Vi the session Of the lecsla
t;rc, but did not discover any peculiar cast oi ncS-
gencc upon the part Of that boc;, those legislative
bodies that have preceded it. Il has beer tie custom
OF the legislature for year that in maur, what arc
i,-'"ci pr..,.,e bills they are not always read. Some
gcnt,,aa who has the confidence Of the 'o!y arises
ard Tie caracte Of the bill. and tia. it pr
vac one, and Of that character nr courtesy or
wic,. Virginia i, remarkable" Is cXctded II hcl. Ol
course T1hcn that carried iato the legisla
!. 10 80 great an extent. they sometime, imposed
on rs misplaced confidence, but the occasions are rare
Az 1;- Lici OXIDE ior The appropriations 81 moHrr
| hin K IL viii agree with al|ays printed, aud
every member las The opportunity of examining them
for himself. I think my friend has :athe: taken too
dark view Of the subject.
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