The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-02-13
Mr. BADGER desire to offer an amendment n !,

Mr.. BADGER desire to offer an amendment u 1t
The PRESIDENT II It's no, in order The question
i now upon an amendment 10 an amendment
Mr. BADGER | will then take The liberty OF sug-
vssi,ng mai will propose he pIopet lime iL,s aena
ment The amendment OF The senator ron Wisconsin
makes il imperative upon The executive omeer ~no haH
ebatye of this matter every instance 10 nave use
money paid directly 10 the Indians can very eaul,y
conceive that there are many cases N WHICH ruch pro
csdare would be no fsv9r to the Indians ou on ats
contrary an l. Jury and have ample reason 10 DC sas
fed with regard 10 these CheTokees who I'VE IN my own
Sta e. that II i. highly important iha The secretary ~ m
Inerior who has charge OF this matter, should hase
discretionary pc 3er appoint pubic agent IN ofue
ha We these payments made into the hin's OF mdvidua,
Indians Tho entitled 10 hen, Tor the'r tesuily
shall. therefore, when IS IN order osr an amenaa'e'
which, instead OF making imperative, us lhe anehu
ment OF the from Wisconsin loes sha'i pro
vide
"Tha, de money hereby appropriated nay N suin
paid directly 10 dc Indian or Indians cied thereto by
lie agent 10 be sppoined by The sid Secretary
Mr. BORLAND Mr.. President, desire 10 say one
or two words upon a singe point point has been
made in this discussion, think, in regard to the amount
of fees likely be paid TO the agents ~ attending 70
these claims Although that is not very pertinent 10 .s
OCCASION VET has been made point, II has occurred
to me that il would be well TO ascertain what tna
amount would be in this particular case.
The amount provided TO be paid to these indians 10
round numbers is S72IO0O The interest at per cent
from some time in June 1888, 10 APRIL ls3l woaid DC
about S455, 900; making in the whole VI, ,ooo u
stated, think, BY the senator from tennessee, MI
BELL that the compensation OF this agent was very
small One amounting only to per cent on The amount
paid. That in round numbers is about $4,000
Mr.. BELL The gentleman is certainly mistaken ~ ~
supposing tina, made that statement said nothing OF
the kind simply said that this Is 10 he aioWed 10
be paid at ALL taking IRON fund provided by a
treaty be paid individuals $4,000, to be paid 10 an
MIR DAVIS, oil Mississippi. shall supper, the amend
menl OF the senator from Wisconsin, and propose to
detan the Senate minute to state why shall DO H.
From some knowledge of the Indians. would say that
as long as they are their wild sate-that Is. when
they have been corrupted by intercourse with while
mei-one of their virtues is the payment Of their debs
think they retain that virtue after they are semi
civilized have seldom known an annuity paid 70 IN
dams where each individual received the amount due 10
him per capa and the creditors were present. that Inc
indians did not pay what justly due to those cred
On the other hand. very great INJURY 70 indiv'snsi
Indians has always occurred IRON these annues Whch
wer pad to the chiefs be distributed by them to the
bands of which they were the heads. This is another
step still WIDER think from the true line OF policy sep
arang the Indians to whom the money belongs SUI iuf,
Their from IT, shall for the amendment OF the sen
ator IRON Wisconsin, under the conviction that II The
money paid the Indian himself he viii probably pay
his Just debts If he does not we are not the guardians
MIR TURNEY called for the yeas and nays and they
were ordered accordingly
The question being taken upon the amendment to the
amend nent by and nays, was not agreed o-yeas
81, nays 25-as follows:
YEAS-Messrs Baldwin, Benton, Bosland Bright. Chase,
Clarke Davis Of D'dSe q N Dodge q
spruance. Tnrney, Underwood, Walker, Whi'co"b, and
NAYs-Messrs Badger. Bell, B.rrien, Butler, Clay
Goope p.wson' wing; Fooe, Gsen CIV Gwini aais'
Phelps, Pratt, Rnsk, s NTH, Sturgeon, aud Wales-1
Mr BADGER now offer the amendment intended
Offering before. is to retain all the words OF the amend
ment OF the from Wisconsin, down to the word
appropriated" and then add SO as TO make 1t read as
follows:
"4ad be 1t further enacted That tho money hereby sp
proprated may in such cases the Secretary Of ne In
shall proper, be aid directly the Indian
said Secretary'
Mr. WALKER | wish to inquire by what vote j,
will be necessary adopt this amendment, adopted
all for il evidently amendment TO the treaty, and
the question whether will take two thirds
Mr. BADGER Well, we will Try that. only
DESTROYS TO have this amendment for the purpose of set
Ting question that has caused much discussion wan,
TO make certain. and my this As said TO the
Senate when indicated that would offer This amend
ment, have eason 10 know that the department is
matter OF doubt whether they have power to appoint
agent for The purpose OF making these payments dec,
to the Indians want to settle that by declaration
MIR BELL Wha Indians!
MIR BADGER. Any Indians
The question being taken upon the amendment offered
by Mr.. BADGER, II was rejected
The amendment proposed by the committee was then
read
Mr. BADGER. would desire 10 inquire OF my friend
from Virginia, Mr.. HUNTERl when this money paid to
them, whether the amendment contempates any pledges
10 be gvea by these Indians whether ae 10 trust
TO an action against them. OF 10 their honor.
Mr.. HUNTER The amendment proposes that they
shall bind themselves IN some mode satisfactory 10 The
Secretary OF the Interior.
MIR BORLAND. II TO vote upon this. | should
like TO understand little more about il than do wish
TO understand ii in voting Tor this amendment voting
TO bnd future actonf the action OF this Congress
dersood to bind future Congresses in any amount OF
money that they may appropriate TO satisfy these claims
against the United Sialesl
Mr.. BADGER. lin his sest) No; bat it binds the
Indians not TO come. Laughter
Mr.. BORLAND. Can we bind the Indians' Can this
Congress adopt provision regard to debt that
by treaty they have agreed TO pay, which will pre-
vent future Congress IRON nvestg slng the matter 10
ascertain whether any more be due or not
Mr.. FOOIE. IL will make il indecent for them TO
come.
Mr.. BORLAND. The honorable senator says il will
make II indecent for them cone do not under stand
that we are here TO legisate in this way. We are to
settle this matter as understand il, according the
terms oi The treaty. We have taken steps TO ascertain
what DUE aud by this amendment In We determined
how much IT IS Blu, do not understand that IL will
preclude other Congresses from granting money, or the
Indians from coming forward hereafter 10 establish
claim.
Mr.. HUNTER. | will remark in relation TO this mat
ter that we cannot bind any future Congress. But we
can bind the Indians and the proposition the amend.
Den IA 10 do mode satisfactory the Secre
iary OF the Interior The form in which il be done
lett TO him. as II Is supposed be will be better able
obtain release and suggest the mode than could be
obtaining such release. We have had these accounts
audited and settled believe for one that we have paid
them more than they are entitled 10 according the
strict letter OF the law But the Senate suppoees differ
entity and by word, pronounced the last session OF
Congress- IN relation to some of these tems decided that