Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-05-20

i;.r t,r; Mr. Tie gentleman doea not claim II rs
,,i, r., r-,,,;i:.c can, however, permit any gen
.,s,., % :;lc.a" any proposition OF his OVID, what
,..r:. !. The Chair decided that the mcmbc
fsca Ecnavha [I1r. ScMh*as) had no claim 70 propo
s;tio, +, anil c,l!d not withdraw or amend it himself
but cou,n do so il leave was granted Tho gentleman
moves that leave ae grantca.
MIR WATTS. Of Norfolk. The motion cannot be Ell
terained saw precisely that question Drought before
the house sf delegates upon lornleI occasion. vi
friend from Campbell! had offered certain proposition
S[- W 81. Does The gentleman IRON Norfolk "a;
a; there is any parliamentary law i6snhals leave Il
be granted 5y unanimous coasent should Ike t
have him show it,
Mr.. WATTS, af Norfolk. Yes, sir, the parliament
ary rule is decidedly against t. me wh0e mouse enn
not DO it ithout violation Of that law. :,
Mr.. CON inquire if it is in order Tor any gentle
man to ask leave to withdraw certain paper lying up
on that table, which is not before the oody Inc que
ton before the pod; is the amendment 10 tue amend
ment say it is out Of order for any MEMBER 10 ash
leave TO withdraw proposition troia your taoe' Oh
from your hands, that is not under consideration.
Mr. WISE. What is the amendment 10 the PROPOSE
ton Of the gentleman from Henrco' It IS an anend-
ment 10 the amendment, and how can there DC an
amendment without that amendment being before the
house, If there is amendment, is before the house
and the house has control of it. Now The gentleman
from Lynchburg has had an opportunt! to withdra"
his prcpusition and wig should not the same courtesy
be given to the gentleman from Heurico' II IS the
proposition now pending
Mr POTTS / apprehend the gentleman from Ches.
e. EeIi DIR. Cox is laboring Lne7 great mistake
Why, b. ore the gentleman from Williamsburg an
ncuucrd lis purpose to olier this amendment II
was distinctly announced By the chair that the question
b. for the committee was upon the motion of the gen.
l:man from Henrico TO strike out proposition A. and
asert his. 1t is the property Of the house 1t is no
longer my Property II is nthe possession Of the house
and will he disposed Of as tue house think proper Il
there is any parliamentary law that the gentleman ron.
Norfolk speaks Of, no they will violate that law.
and resort to the Law OF common Laughter.
The CHAIR. The Chair would be graiitied if some
gentleman who is more experienced than himself, would
read rule of parliamentary law upon c subject.
There is much discrepancy and d5cordAncy il.
opinion.
Mr. WATTS, of Norfolk As is sufficient 10 show the
parliamentary law, have Only to ask the Chair hi.
question VIVA, is the question now before the Com
lnittcr3 Is il not the amendment which has been OF
ered hy the gentleman from Williamsburg? That is the
question row before the committree. Now, can yong
behind that question, and take the question upon ano1h
rr propostoni
The CHAIR That is precisely The question the chair
desires information upon.
Mr. SIlEFFrY. ask for division ofthc question
The CHAIR. That is in order.
Mr. SHEFfEY. have asked for division OF i!ic
question: and what then is tho question beo:c the house
is upon striking the prof. ositloa OF the gentleman
from icnricc, ard pending ilat the gentleman can a,
leave TO Withdraw ii, leaving tho very blank which got
propose 10 create by striking oNt say hy calling lot
division Ct the question, you create lwo independent
praposi;inn. the lr. Of which is upon striking out thu
existing proposition pcnng before the house, and wh!
thereby becomes the only proposition pending before
the house for The time being Upon the division OF ilr
question, the only proposition hetorc The committee io'
is consideration is the proposition Of the gentleman
from FIcnrco But the rule is, that any proposition
which stands in the position Of being tltc i'o!atcc
proposition before the house may upon leave Q! t.!
majority al the house, be withdrawn from lis conslde
ration. Nov, think tkat The technical argument, /
the gentlemen choose 10 resort 10 trchncalltle, ma
be avoided by the tcchnca division OF the question
would ask the gentleman paramcntcrian whether y
ha, not bcendcr!cd and GAIN that when there
division othc question upon striking out and lnstrt
there arc not 10 bc prppoundch to the house Two dshc
ard independent propositions as distinct ana nhepcet
as there was but one proposition before the house 81
them it follows tia, if the proposition 10 strike out Is
independent propositions Just rs though no proposltlo
had been made fill the blank: il the law be, when
move to strike out without inserting anything mat
pending that motion, the mover Of the proposition ma
ask leave to withdraw it, and hy vote Of the h"s'
NAV have that leave granted 10 him, ask you WHEELER
u on division Of The question, the same leave mayno b.
granted: If gentlemen choose 10 be technical. there
M getting over the logic Of the argument-none upo
the face Of Tie earth think the chair would be PEI
fec.ly justified in propondng 10 us the question: npo
thu division Of the question, whether the gcnllcna
from fIenrco haze leave to withdraw rom The consd
GRAFTON OF the house, the only proposition before It.
Mr.. WATTS. SHOULD be glad I" kn"w who sub
mi,eh the motion to strike oul and insert. Why IT,
gentleman from Williamsburg Submitted that moihi
!. il no, one motion: l. it M. amendment Doe
il rn, preset, one question WELL now the gent,
mai rom William ,'ury has submitted motion By lh'
amcudrieit Ia strike out and insert; pray, no" doe
the gentleman from Augusta hrltg that III ~ ad NM
;echHi.al view o! this question.
The CHAIR. | Understand the gentleman irni'
Augusta to ask for u division Of the question IL
gentleman #, NJ Heurico
Mr. WATTS That is another question.
Mr. SHEFFEY. /, 8. this point ask the gso'if"a
from Norfolk # he gentleman from lelrice had pr
pounded lis Gl.s!iJu ami the gentleman rcm William
bur-, al .::os- strike gu: the proposition but n
ito insert" whether it would not then hare been CO
petcnt ;ur the gentleman from Henrico to rise IN h!
place an ask 'cavc withdraw 1t?
Mr.. WATTS. les.
Mr.. suEFFEY. Aud by dividing tho question,
p,, him in that situation. ii the gentleman fro
henticn them upn the oris inal proposition ut mei'
Is moving 10 strike out, would have leave 10 VII
draw his proposition from the battle axe, may he IL
Withdraw il Uy q DIVISION Vi the question ID the SAN
wayl
Mr. STANARD. 1t seems TO NE that II 1t DO u
purpose Of this Convention. ii. presume II - % IN
the sense OF the Convention furry tested Upon the Sc
.r:,l propsiturl, .u ulittcL it, there = no sort
hi;aiity in VIM j: dohe by doing that wnIch can
done al nee viz by division OF the question 7nGih
eu UY the ge!t!eIliil lr''hl Hiiit'hs"" - N-''' -
pgyl lie :is made Il motion To strike ou tle PfoPos
tnl %! nv colleague, the gentleman from Hnn:icn W
n7r:l and To ert the proposition that lie has orf"
If Tia. question be divided the first question proPon'!
ed to the Convention will be upon the striking Gus
AMI that pul ion CT the House who IN FAVOR OF lii
proposition OF tie gentleman from Henr!eo WALL
course vote again-; the striking OUT; while those VII
mr., ppoosed 10 il viii vote fox strklp!, OUT. ani II.
sense Of tho hous vii thus he determined Unit
however, The question ia nut, both upon the striki"
on; and tie Inserting the parliamentary law IS expires
as understand il, that the entire question Is not pun
Here it j.:
When the House is divided after the question upo'
,bc ,rs, member the second is open TO debate an
amendneut because il is known rule, that nemp'
rise anil speak au time before the question ha= bee
completely; decided by r"tmg tho hegat'7e a. "esi
the affirmative side. .
SO when motion i; made to amend propagation D.
moving strike out that proposition ai 'nssr| ah"'i
er proposition the nutun 70 strike ont ai, insert l. o
proposition which cannot De divided. lou may ~
the Question the motion to strike ouf hui lha'
not the whole question. After you have stricken "'
the other branch Of the proposition "till remains o
f., .lr,t, and amendment How them the matter
all changed tv dividing the question The only c''r'
If Tia, j. 10 sst the of the t"!'v"r"'i-sh y"
cas-. now before us-uron the proposition submitted
my colleague from Henrro, CIR. BorI5) no" u