Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-15

which hope will BY general lucrative Offices.
.oct;n reads that all persons holaiss oot To in
ec.on of Herv Denomination" &c, ana asA ~
CIV, the word religious" before the W. Jsnom;oa.
ton so as to make it read "of Of the masonic
ton" II ia fact that there are seH TLauchter.1
de?ominaton and a que agree, but they would
csrtainly Be excluded under the wore. pontsmnated to
denominstion It was presnms onts onS not to the
have this proriso refer to the Su0i
masonic orders. ..,.n nm the motion to strike
Inc quesnoh ,n;.ter. Of the Gospel, Sc.' ana oe'
citled in the negative. ,r1,,c
$50 OFFICERS, &C. ;.
Mr. WISE. see that the chairman ~ tAv ), sc,.
,;ra committee is about to Pefless rb;cb have
-. 80 m exclude the atnenuiaehl NM WIZ: ~
manner as Ill help him TO perfect 1t. no"
moved 70 ~ w the whole of that proviso, aud insert
move strike out 'he
this proviso: ,,or ,he JTn;tsd
o,.,ss or ;n1cr any foreign government OF ola.e -
or lucrative Office under inns otate' or ciuer
noas a ni, Town or municipal or other public G..
49,. -; = MS State, whose salary or compensatory
haI 1.es TT, dollars, and all ministers OF the Cos
~ an, -. Il of every denomination snail DC ihcaPa
c - Ing elected members OF the uenera ASSEM-
., coODE. OF course it is scarcely necessary for
- occmny the attention Of he committee for mo-
- consider the proposition nowsubmtted By The
renteman from Accomac. The objections 10 mat pro-
oos;,;on were clearly shown by members when under
discussion this morning. It is the introduction oil
a Nh into the Constitution which will upsettle the
onort and meaning Of terms already existing there us
ntr,action will not ony unsette the Interpretation OF
existing terms but will introduce clause which VIII
require adjudication perhaps not 10 be made lor num-
cr OF years to determine the number and kind Of O.
ices included within the meaning oil thus clause b'
the great and paramount objection is this that IL eX-
Guides an indefinite number Of individuals whom we
not the remotest power at this time OF ascertain
aiy The nnn1
those who are be excluded under the operation OF this
mendmen;. had hoped the gentleman from Acco-
uac had renaushed this proposition Of his, or OF lrg-
ng its adoption for the present and under existing CIR
cumstances l, is true in the debate upon it this morn
ing he insisted that this clause the clause upon
which, these disabilities should be inserted but under.
TODD him to adopt the suggestion OF my friend ana col
league, (NIr CHAMBERS and consent that all Pron0l-
ion should be erased for the preSent-tat II shouu oc
,et taGua rosa, and allow it to be referred 10 com
nittee to be introduced as separate and distinct
.lause in which the various and numerous dlsqualilca
lions might be inserted Now, let us take that course
The gentleman had the report of one committee adapt
ed 10 his orn views Let him rest AZ present upon that
and let him bring his proposition in fair comparison DC
tween the report it is amended and lei Inc report
of the legislative committee stand in the form IN when
ITS friends desire it. Let us have 1air comparison
and ascertain the sense OF the commllee upon .,'e
| rie I'D and colleague from Mcckenburg, as uhaer
| ,tood that this was not the proper time anu place
ior all these prohibitions which ought TO be inserted
in the Constitutions but it ought TO be lett Dlank ana
a committee appointed Tor the purpose VI "elei"'
| ing what re proper.
| Mr. DENEALE. would suggest to my friend hat
the amended proposition has already been modcd by
striking out stthirty'' and inserting twenty-five
| Mr. GOODE. That is different change TO which
would advert when come to vote upon striking out
and inserting The proposition now pending is I" insert
he amendment of the gentleman from Accomac which
refers to the prohibitions alone and not to the age oi
the delegate TO the General Assembly. ask gentle
men 10 let us perfect the different clauses OF these qud
ilcations some of which do not desire to exclude
now There are some dsquafcatons 10 which !
would assent but what object to his bringing ii up
now when ;hcre cannot be time for just and deliberate
consideration of The subject to ascertain tie extent TO
which it me-. TO- No man can foresee the .&'""' oil
exclusion which .rnv be attained by the amendment u
The gentleman from .cccnac No man can enllnerate
y" officers and individuals excluded from the public
service IL -. arrangement and do hope II the gen
leman from Acconac Insists upon bringing forward the
proposition now that the House will determine to re-
ect the amendment and agree upon maturing system
1tc plan on the subject which mas he worthy Of ITS
adoption for AL time TO come.
Mr. WISE. Mr. Chairman, -
Mr. BYRD, Of Frederick. will the gentleman from
,ccomac allow me to make an inquiry OF him. Is II
lis object to exclude ban. officers and officers OF rail
| o,d companies
Mr.. WISE. Yes. sir.
MIR BYRD, Of Frederick agree with The gentle
will not attain that object.
Mr. WISE. Leave out the word "pubc' before
CORPORATIONS" ard that will Go it. We can perfect
this amendment hereafter, but the time to make
test 1.-THE gentleman from Mccslenburg AIR. GooDf
had permitted the report which the committee made IL
this House stand with the Senator at thirty years
IF age corresponding with my amendment, should
not have moved to perfect his amendment.
Mr. GOODE. did not change it.
Mr.. WISE I am not to be defeated by mere paTl,a.
ucntary tactics.
AIR. GOODE. The gentleman must understand that
lid not submit that motion. Tor did vote for it.
Mr. WISE. rknoH. -. but it has beer done. Now
t is impossible to make fair comparison between the
amendment which have proposed, coming from ';s
suffrage committee report as it has been amended nth
,ul there being correspondence Of all part: excep
he proriSU.
The gen-ic;nan says that forese" who
v.'l r 'Xc!nded and that it is indefinite deny IT,
Tie ..mcnt on its face does define who to be
%,ieI You exclude first, the officers Of the govern
nent of the United States-whether compensated or
r't-all persons holding Office Gater The United State
government That is definite. Can the gentleman tell
ne of any exception he can take to that exclusions
.ok it for granted, that he concured with me IN not
II ng officers of the federal government to seat ID
thcr House of the General Assembly. If they arc
not to be allowed, why not exclude them-as You are
reend ng to make out your list OF those who arr
:xcudsd: That is more definite. Now | exclude all
holding office under any foreign government or
State Does the gentleman concur with me. there
ny tken that know and not what are the num-
Der of these two classes of persons holding office under
the federal government persons holding office under
foreign governments For these two classes, mt all
vents we need no specification because, we would
agree in excluding ALL Then Propose first to exclude
sll persons holding lucrative offices under the State
That is definite. His own proposition concurs with
nine in that Next propose to add another class-al
persos holding lucrative Offices in the counties cities or
towns of the Commonwealth, with salaries over got,
And then propose to aid all persons holding office
un' ,er any corporation, whether public or private
Tie suggestion of the gentleman from Frederick (hr
BsEi is sound-that perhaps bank or railroad COR
poiaon in which the State has interest will not DC
determined to he public corporation. do not know
why they should be considered officers Of public corPn-
raticns whether the State has i terest in the
corporations not But, allowing them to be pri-
yatr, would exclude the officers of private corpora
tons sooner tn an could the officers Of those that
public The private corporations not responsible
me. rs the public corporations arc
Mr.. JACOB Does the gentleman mean TO exclude
officers of these corporations who receive compensa
ton?
Mr.. WISE All persons holding lucrative offices.
whose salaries exceed $50
Mr.. JACOB. Does the $50 apply to officers OF NIL
corporationsi
Mr. WIS., | will strike ont the word "pubic'