The southern press., 1851-04-08

| clsed d double action, tieologlchi ana pol, lcal
upon the minds of men. That foreign poten
tate had committed an aggression on the Quee,
of this realm, and the people required that some
thing should be done; but Papal bulls were moi
properly met by cannon balls. The present bill
was not penal enactment; it was in principle
precisely the same as the Emancipation Act
whilst it applied directly to the evil for which d
remedy was required, without imposing any re-
strictions upon the Catholic hierarchy, which
were Inconsistent with their sacred duties. lie
| believed that the Catholics would not disobey
| the law il it passed, and that it would be gen
orally approved Of by the British people. The
legislature could take further steps if such were
required.
The debate was then adjourned till last night
when it was renewed by Mr.. Newgate, who
spoke of the "arrogant invasion OF the temporal
aud spiritual civil rights and institutions OF the
country" He condemned the conduct OF the
government, which had given advantages to the
ultra montane party at Rome, and spoke of the
deficiencies in the bill before the House, which
contained nothing to prevent the exercise of the
hierarchy, or the convening Of synods and he
said il the people were disappointed in their ex-
pcctaton of legal protection, they would take
the law into their own hands. Dr. Power de-
nounced the bill as prosecuting measure, which
was fraught with danger to the peace tranquility,
and best interests of the empire at large Mr..
Henry Drummond said the question was simply
whether the Catholics should remain tolerated
sect under the spiritual dominion of the Queen
or, whether the Queen should be licensed
hereto under the spiritual dominion Of the Pope
and, whether one-third of the people should
be governed by law unknown to the other
wo-thirds, and deemed by the former paramount
TO all law! Mr. Drummond declared that "this
night, or this debate, or this bill, or hundred
such, would not settle the question; for the
Pope had raised storm in this country that
would not be quiet again in the time OF any
present" After referring to the power Of the
Pope and his cardinals and bishops, and com
menting in severe language on the doctrine and
principles of the court OF Rome, Mr.. Drummond
said that he spoke from what he had seen with
his own eyes. "Nunneres were either prisons
or brothels; honorable members might take
their choice of the expression" An indescriba-
Bile scene Of disorder followed this remark.
The Earl of Arundel rose to order. He asked
the speaker whether it was in order to refer to
| those nunneres in which resided ladies' devoted
| to the service of God! The speaker decided
that Mr. Drummond was in order, and he again
addressed the House, amidst repeated interrup-
| tons. He stated that Cardinal Wiseman had
made assertions which were entirely false with
respect to the intentions of the Pope, and de-
cared that all Popes asserted that they We're
lords paramount over temporaities, as we'll as
spiritualties, and Mr. Drummond quoted nu-
merous authorities in proof of his statement
| He then compared Cardinal Wiseman to the
| Thugs, "who were murderers, but they co nmit-
ted murder to obtain a living the Roman Cath
olics told lies as san act of worship" He quot
ed DR.. Wiseman, who, Mr.. Drummond said
"openly declared that if they (the Catholcs) be-
heved a thing to be white, they were bound nev-
ertheless to call it black, if the hierarchical
church SO define it to be-" (Mr. Drummond
was again interrupted by cries Of "oh, OH
cheers, laughter, and general confusion.) He
went on to remark that the people waiting to
learn the decision of their political leaders in
this question, and if the people were refused
efficient protection, then they would take the
law into their own hands-the only way of pre-
serving the peace would be to give them bill
with adequate powers-they hated imposture-
cloud cries of "order")-they detested every
thing like eimposture-and, above all, "they scorr
those who are importing cargoes of blinking
statues, bleedirg pictures, signifying blood, anc
drops of the Virgin Mary's milk" The excite
ment now rose to tremendous height. Lout
and general exclamation of "oh. oh"-"order
order" shame"-ndmerous groans, some hiss
es, and what is known as 'cock-crowing Ir
short, the House of Commons resembled for
| several minutes a complete bear garden.
After the uproar had partially subsided, Mr.
Drummond inquired why any member called
"oh! ohr' Mr.. O'Flaherty here rose to order
and submitted to the English House Of Con.
mons whether there ought not to be, on the part
of the House, some expression of feeling with
respect to the language employedby Mr.. Drum
mond-(cries of "no no" o")-would they suffe
, members of that House to be thus insulted
, Cries of "order," during which Mr.. John OCon
nell jumped up and moved an adjournment, ant
4 Mr.. Howard seconded the motion, amidst re
newed agitation and confusion and loud erie
a from all parts of the House, and above all tn
: words "you blackguard' were heard! Tn
n Speaker then rose and asked members not to in
il terrupt the debate and he hoped gcntleme
v would abstain from the use of any expression
v tending to wound the feelings of the member
. of that House Mr.. Drummond again rose ant
t attempted to speak, but the Irish members lus
( ty called for an adjournment and declared tina
/ they would not remain to be lnsuted Mr.
| OConnell again jumped up amidst scene Of
the greatest confusion, and asked IL he was il
order in moving the adjournment of the House
and also if il was not right that Mr.. Drummond
should make an apology to the House, Mr.
II OConnelFs voice was entirely drowned in the
continued uproar, and cries Of "order." The
Speaker then informed Mr.. O'Connell that he
was himself guilty of breach of order cloud
T cheers) Mr.. Moore and M. Drummond both
rose, and indescribable yeils were heard for sew
eral mnutes--at length Mr.. Moore in a mos,
T vehement manner, exclaimed that he insisted
that disrespect to some of the members and TO
their religion had been made, and that it was out
of order in any Christian assembly.
The Speaker told Mr.. Moore he was out of
order Mr. Grattan then rose and claimed the
I right to be heard, rs an old member of the
House. He called Mr. Drummond to order,
and said he had right to move that his words
be taken down. They were improper express
sions, and Mr.. Grattan asked if there were any
precedents for moving that the words be taken
down? (The uproar continued, when the
| Speaker of the House stated that Mr.. Drum
mond was entitled to use such expressions as
he liked provided they were not of personal
character, and disrespectful to the House. An
other most disgraceful and wholly indescribable
scene of uproar ensued which continued till the