Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-01


action. That will not propose division Ct ,lS sIoar
as the penalty Of your success or remedy ta's
grievance. Did not say that Did you YOU r .v' our
me 81, 1t. aess
Dir. MARTIN. I understand vou nos;
| Dir. LYONS. Ihayc 40 wered the c.,tI,u.
tion and although do not to :rouLe ans qaes
man with questions, should like t. know 49, sen.,e-
gentlemans opinion the subject II Io - 'he
basis is not carried will he submit: quietly ~ - ""s
csioo, and not propose 10 diyide - 'N0 &C.
3lr. MARTIN. | would dcpreca,e d;v;
State Of Virginia, much peihap s a, anv MAJ 'na
State have, as my constituents know tai, -. Tue
grounds against division .F the Stat. onI S'Fohs
know ut present Of any circumstances unGer III NO;
would CONSENT to division Of The State ,n;...
forced however into circu:s ances in which sne Dc
comp He'd 10 take choice OF evils "'"e De
Mr. LYONS. What circumstances 4, ,o,
Earc stated tic circumstances. but will Star. -
ag&iu and let tie gentleman answer the oua..or len
answered him! Suppose We CARR tho mixed Las;s o.
you lose Tie white basis, would Vol, ra.Aer thar -'
init the mixed basis propose TO divide the S,q.o
4 resort to Durr>u
| Mr. MARTIN Ii the mixed bas. is fixed rro,
this Convex ton and is inserted IN the co,.s,,,;o:
and ii that constitution i submitted to Tie re.nn :.
Virginia. and they ratlY the mixed basis viii ~,
Juesce. Laughter.
Mr. LYONS. l au. very happy to hear the gentle.
mars explanation and think lie ought 10 thsnk ma
iur drawing him out, and giving him Opportunity t.
answer the question What then becomes Of all ,l;
CT, about division Of the State, ard what necessity;
is there FIR any gentleman TO cone forward with Few
propo..tion - save il from that dire:u Calamity e
which, cungrutua the country, there is ne danger
since the east and the wet both sa that they will not
divide let the basis be what it may Loud applause
in the galleries.
The CHAIR. There must lie order Kept in the gal
lerics CT they will be cleared.
Mr. LYONS. If have done no ether good BY nv
speech think ! would be entitled to thSks for
mixing clear this fact that pether the east noe ives:
will consent to divide the State upon tho question OF
lie basis Of representation
Mr. GALLT. l wish to inquire of the gentleman
now whether he will agree to the settlement, Of this
question by Immediately referring it to the Of the
peope. put this query. as be seems willing 10 sub
nit to their decision upon the subject!
Several MEMBERS. Submit both schemes.
Sir LYONS ] really do not suppose that our IVES.
Tern friends serious though they talk with grave
counttla,ces about hi. thing Of alternatives think
lcy have more respect for understanding than 10
suppose that will be humbugged sud gulled BY
such idea What, sir il the state Of thingsf They say
hey have $4,000 maj 'ry III tie west End have large
and controlling majority Of the voters 1T the polls
Now il you adopt alternative ba.s and send
rom this Convention. it is certain that ills majority in
he west will carry their own basis. being nj liberty
take either basis and have the constitution with its
reforms Would not that be equivalent to referring
the question of tie basis TO the western gentlemen here
IN n more tedious and troublesome FORM than refer
encc to them on this iooor would be would sooner
vote for the white basis at tian for this alternative
proposition
NJ GhLLY Then YOU will not submit to the will of
The people rs you said before.
Sir LYONS. ! said such thing. ssid submit
the constitution with all lie good uud ills TO the people
aud Upon that question will stand If the people sar
thev will take constitution aiming the mixed basis
with all its imputed ills for the sake Of the good tina.
may exist in it's other provisions, shall he content II
they TINT they preer TO submit 10 all their present
-.
20 reject the consti on shall still nc cement But
10 not tel that am to go through. this miserable
of voting for III alternative bass 10 be submitted
the people when that is equivalent TO submitting
!usivev to the west with the knowledge before hand
from their declarations on this floor and in their past
ii tory that they will vote for, and pu: the suffrage ba
-is upon mo. Before would be guilty Of src! cId-
Ike ridiculous action would prefer to FOR the
suffrage basis once, instead of voting for it in tbis
;nrrl Why refer to majority Of the people known L,
be- in favar OF the white basis the question whether tie.
will adop, il or not! Why not adopt that basis 1t
once do not believe in all candcr that our western
friends think soft and green, 81 such mere chill
ren TO pursue the course lndcs"C 20 U.s. 1t H. Ia
use the language Of well known about town here
nothing bit game OF dead open and shut daughter
Tor the put the question it decided asanst
u.s. But again not at liberty vote for the hits
Or suffrage basis because forbidden do by nIY
convictions OF right and propIety If justice and
sound policy lis we'll by every obligation Of duty TO
nv constituencies by that highest and most sacred prin
ciple among private and public men-tidcli;y to ny
trust hat right then have to delegate to Others the
power to 90 that which hive not authority to do my
elf? Delegated power cannot be delegated to others
But il it NAV, stl the delegate only delegate sch
power and authority he 10 entrusted with and igh'
himself exercise Now, if am Forbidden as am 10
for the white suffrage basis. what right have 70
for this alternative proposition which. Under tho
and pretcnce of referring the question to The pro-
pie in fact merely authorizes the ,rssfern portion Of tie
,lc thn md I'm.
cnts of course, this basis which tit liberty to
pat upon them by direct vote Of my own
Mr. Chairman the cry Of 1.-THE people, the people.
won't you trust the people you afraid TO trust
the people, can't obscure the true question. Tho
people,, in this connexon, really the western
people, for if every white i'll the cast to vote
against the basis, still! the people would carry
it. And therefore, while | nm ready to trust the
western people rs any other man is. while have
but the kindes feelings for them cannot will not,
nunbug myself by voting for this alternative prop,si
ton; and dare not beray my people BY such vote
/ shall vote therefore for the mixed basis because
think it is right, and do put the question
10 the people whether they will do right do wrcng
We mean 10 submit TO them tn: proposition which wy
;Eink is right thereby, by action at least
GLIDING the wrong, and saving the State if it was in
!anger But IN truth there was, and j, no danger and
all the thunder which this compromise haa eyoke!-.his
M hty uproar about the union Of the State has passed
oil as many summer cloud has done bciore-strking
shine and clear and beautiful day with the most on.
courasng prospect of another AMI still brgter day 10
come. Ihope
think, Mr.. Chairman, that have shown there il no
equally equity in this compromise. What other
quality has it to commend it More! II divides his
State equally, giving onehaf Of the representation
the east and the other half to the est but doe, that
feature commend it to favorable consideration or
to the favorable consideration Of any che; lunbly
submit not Sir, have you forgotten that in the copTen
ton of 90 r. CooKE then representing the county Of
Frederick offered to the consideration OF that
ton measure ci compromise, conccding m ori,v in
tic representation Of the State to the lection Of
the State, and how it wa. reccivel Then the east had
majority Of the representatives. AMI Of the people, aud
her people asked to adopt i prime pie which
would continue that majority Of representation without
regard to change of circumstances 1t then upos-
sible TO foretcl with any certainty and is what
the destiny OF each section OF the State would be- Large
increase for the w@st predicted and thus far the
prediction has lseu verified. Bat the still larger IN
crease predicted will confde not take place,
because the causes which have hitherto produceI tbs
increase u the vea:, have in great measure exhausted
themselves in that direction and are in fact now re-
acting upon and in favor Of the But more OF that
presently. 1t is sufficient in this part Of the argume"
to show that Mr.. Cooke proposed to give The ea7s
majority, probably at least permanent majority though