Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-06-27

understand it. for which the advocates Of that
ton claim to be contending i, thit the will of t
people of the State shall be embodied substantial
e In the constitution after 1865. Now, how can til
:, object be SO well accomplished as by acceding
e The proposition Of my friend from Appomattox (Al
d BococK3 His proposition is that the will or wishes
If the people shall be regarded in the largest tt
t proposition Ii to be submitted 10 the popular vote
that day.
= Now, there be no question that it is perfect
right and proper that every substantial objection
suggestion which is to be presented il relation to tn
subject should be present this time that the
Jorty OF this house may unite upon some proposition
order that may 60 to tho country and the people
KNOW the probable result of abors For this rea
son shall unquestionaby vote, not only for the propt
sition OF the member from Appomattox but for other
which, in my Judgment ought to be adopted amend
nents to the proposition before this committee.
Mr. Chiffon My colleague Or STRoTHER) r
erred to remark made by on yesterday, to the Ell
ect that regarded the report of the compromise com
ittee rs mere foundation OF settlement OF this ques
ton Well, do know precisely what Specification
or what extent of Specification my colleague attaches t.
that plraseoogy, if employed it, but certainly mean
no more than this In regard to the time and numbers
regard 1t us settled but in regard to the Phraseolog,
to be employed in order to carry out effectively the
principles embodied in that report regard it as unset
tied If my colleague understood to 60 beyond thai
ne entirely misunderstood me- When, short time age
used that expression, then explained it, but my col
league still says that he shall hold to it, suppose
is necessary to his speech.
Mr.. STROTHER If my colleague will allow me-
will cay that propose to hold him to his declaration
not III CONNECTION with this proposition, but to the
amendment shall hereafter offer myself. | do not re-
gard his language any construction of his language
as conflicting with the requirements of the PROPOSE
ton of the gentleman Groa Appomattox (AIr BococK
at ALL because if he regards the basis quesons settled
IN regard To time and numbers it does not at all require
him to oppose proposition not conflicting with either
of these points like that offered by the gentleman from
Appomattox.
Mr. Chiffon. see no objection to the principle of
the amendment presented by the gentleman from Apo
muttox but am not satisfied that the precise phraseoo-
gy he has adopted carry out the uhcct he has view
1t has been suggested by the gentleman from kanawha
tMr SuMMERs that il will be necessary for the to
be again referred committee for amendment in lis
raseology and for any imnatcra addition orateraton
which may be necessary in order to carry out eectualy
the prnc embodied in the proposition. shall there
fore vote against the adoption of the amendment this
nc though see no reason at present. for aucn concur
reuce with proposition of that kind cannot mag
inc there will any disagreement in regard to it, in any
part of this house. if it is brought up ut proper time
wish it TO be biect hereafter to be considered [
do not consider the custom yet entirely settled
There gentlemen upon this floor who are hostile to
this mode of settling it, aud have announced their deter
niinaton to attack it.
bOCOCk. W Ill the gentleman allow nic IO Hlikc
remark distinctly stated that this is not design
ed as war proposition. do not design it as such
Mr.. Chiffon. do not regard it As such, but aI'.
prehcnd there war propositions yet to come do
not want this matter disposed of until get into de-
tails II the gentleman intends to hold Inc to language
he will allow to say that cannot vote for this pro-
position He may hold me to il in some other form but
not by my vote
Mr. STANARD. 1t seems to me that gentlemen oc-
ralutiun tn thS suhrct
The gentleman from apponlattox presents proposition
here in perfect good faith with respect to which gem
tlcman except ole, upon this floor has ve,tured to show
profess any cctun On the contrary gent lemen as
upon both sides and declared themselves in favor of
the principle embodied in that amendment and that it
ought lie adopted and yet they have also declared
that t about place themselves upon record as
ting against itupon the ground that are the Commit
tee Of the Whole and that the committee of the whole
is not the proper place consider amendments OF that
! description. WHY, does not this house recolect n
few DAYS ago when were In the discussion OF this
basis question that the proposition was then made to
insert wholly different and distinct suect-he cues
tion of limitation upon the representation OF the cities
involving variety of considerations to the manner
in which these restrictions to be- brought about
suggested 1T that time that il would be better to decide
upon the basis of representation first, and consider this
broad question of the representation of cities when We
were in Convention The gentleman from Accomac Ar
WsEl and other gentlemen then said that the Committee
oil the Whole was the W
ton Bu, now here arise. proposition which propose:
simply matter nf detail not involving any new princl
ple not to 20 into the discussion of any question bu
simply ma, Ter Of detail with respect to which genemet
upon both sides have avowed their opinions that II tn
principle embodied in the amendment be carried Out
will make the proposition acccptabe yet they VII
not vote upon il now because are in Committee o
the Whole, As soon sit is brought into tho Convention
YOU will call the previous question: and We are to are
with the report without even an opportunity OF expana
ton YOU will report this so called 'compr"mlse'
, ; and So improperly called ''compromsr, III my Judg
ment 10 the house when the previous question may b,
called upon it; and thus all amendments to this oboXou
nroposton which would have the effect TO render 1t les
obnoxious will BE- cut off without vote upon any pro
poston and the compromise proposition may be orce'
through in precisely such form as the majority ma.
tnk proper to force through Now if the proposition
is ia be amended ALL il is to be rendered less %
no,inu, less Objectionable than it il, ask Senenei
to saw if the Committee of the Whole, where the prevl
o,s aue.tion cannot be called is the proper place
with respect especially to amendments OF detail to o.
fer them! hope therefore, shall be allowed to rot
no rropositiu. Il. they offered, according to then
nri, and that the report of the committee shall h
no feel us far rs il can be, before it is reported to III
house and that We shall be placed in position whcr
". have amendments which nre admit ted to be neccS
sarv and proper oil it may be, by the application
,br nr,yious question when we get to the house.
entertain precisely the same views In those so wei
exnrcs.ed by the gentleman from Appolnattox, WI
Rnror) regard this called compromise III an NJ
tor and absolute surrender of the rights and interest
Of the east and so regarding it aud so viewing it, ~
moi 70 be regarded in any shape or form as friend
the measure but appeal to those who are its fIiend
~ lIow notifications to be made in it, To which the
5 say they can have no objection
Mfr. SHEFFEY. think the gentleman from ApPc
mattoy (Nr. BococK had better withdraw for the pre-
con-, this proposition Lean mention one insuperabl
objection to the proposition in the form III which he pro
ncsr, il. is this: If the General Assembly III loo
Should fail to agree upon the proposition to be submit
ted TO the people, there may be contingencies III whc
the suffrage basis will not be submitted to the peoPhle
Now in any adjustment whatever want to !
# hs people are to ut the polls between the prime
ss Of representation the suffrage basis shall he one
tbs questions submitted to them stand upon that pu'
form and will never desert it, can easily uLder'tan
that the General Assembly may be SO constituted INA
# would not dare to agree upon auy principle Oh repre-
sertaon to be engralted it were upon the constitu
nn deparng from the suffrage basis but 1t may be hdt
csd by influences brought bear uponit to submit tw
ronositions, neither which would be the suffrage basil
and that against the wishes Of the people II the ueIer!
Assembly is to reapporton IN leoo e!
take the entire responsibility Of so doing but in my o'
on thc people thcy vote he ion should have I'll
# Ia; between the suffrage basis and any other prop.