The daily crescent. [volume] ([New Orleans, La.]) 1848-1851, 1851-04-17
Debate ON the Pnpal Bill in the House of
Commons.

Commons.
Mr.. Henry Drummond said the question was
simply whether the Catholics should remain toIe-
rated sect under The spiritual dominion of the
Queen or. whether the Queen should b. a licensed
hereto under the spiritual dominion of the Pope
and, whether one-t third, of the people sh.uld be
governed by a law unknown TO the other two.
thirds, and deemed by the former paramount to all
law! Mr.. Drummend declared that =" this night,
or this debate, or this bill, or a hundred SUCH
would not settle the question; for the Pope had
raised storm in this country that would not be
quiet again in the Lifetime of any present." Alter
referring 10 the power of The Pope and his Cardi-
mails and Bishops, and commenting IN severe Ian
guage on the doctrine and principles of the Court
OF Rome, Mr. Drummond said that he spoke from
what he had seen with his own eyes. Nunne-
rles were either prisons or brothels; honorable
members might take their choice ofthe expression"
An indescrbab'e scene of disorder followed this
remark. The Earl of Arundel rose to order. He
asked he Speaker whether 1t was IN order to ref
to those nunneries in which resided ladies devoted
to the service OF God I! The Speaker decided that
Mr. DrummOnd was in order, and he, again ad-
dressed the House, DIST repeated nerIuptios S.
He stated that Cardinal Wiseman had male as
serons which were entirely ialse with respect to
the intentions of the Pope, ard declared that all
Popes asserted that they were lords paramount
over temporalitles, as we'll as sprliuaiitirs, and
Mr. Drummond quoted numerous authorities in
proof OF his statemept. He Then compared Car
dinal Wsema0 to the Thugs, "who were murder
ers, but they committed murder to obtain living
the Roman Catholics '0ld lies '' ss act of
ship" He quoted DIR. Wseman, wbo Mr.. Drum
mond SAID, "openy declared that if they (the Ca-
tholics) believed a thing to be white, they we're
bonnd nevertheless 10 call it black, if the hierar
cirica churcf 80 define it to be-" (Mr. DrummoDd
was giin interrupted by cries of oh, OH, cheers,
laughter, and gene raj confusion.)
He went on to remark that the people were
waiting to learn the decision of their political lead
this question: and il the people were refused
efficient protection, then they would take the law
! into their own hands the only way of preserving
the peace would be to give them bill, with ade-
quate powers; they hated imposture, loud cries
OF "order,' y they detested verything like mpos-
ture- and, above all, they scorn those who are
importing cargoes of blinking statues, bleeding
pctures signifylng blood, and drops OF the Virgin
| Mary's milk" The excitement now to ire
mendous height. Loud and general excamations
| of i" Oh oh n'-" order, order" shame"nu-
merous groans, some Kisses, and what is known as
| cock-crowing !" In short, the House OF Com
mons resembled for several minutes complete
| bear garden After the uproar had partially sub
| sided, Mr. Drummoni inquired why any member
| called Oh, oh p Mr.. O'Fiaherty here rose to
order, and submitted to the English House of Com.
mons whether there ought not to be, the part Of
the House, some expression of feeling with respect
to the language employed by Mr.. Drummond-
| (cries of :" no, no, would they suffer members
| of that House to be thus insulted? (Cres o
| up and moved an adjournment, and Mr.. Howard
seconded the motion, amidst renewed agitation an(
| confusion. and loud cries from all parts of tn,
House, and above all, the words "you backguard,
were heard)
The Speaker then rose and asked members no
to interrupt the debate and he hoped gentle m 81
| would abstain from the use of any expression lend
| ing to wound the feelings of the members of iha
House. Mr. Drummond again rose and Attempted
| to speak, but the lrsh members Justify called io
| an adjournment, and declared that they would no
| remain TO be insulted. Mr.. O'Connell again iumpe
| up amidst scene of the greatest confusion, an
| asked if he was in order in moving the adjourn
| ment of the House and also If 1t not rgh
| that Mr.. Drummond should make apology
| tn, house! Mr.. O'Connells voice was entirel
| irowned in the continued uproar and cries
order" The Speaker then Informed Mr. O'CoI
nell that he himself guilty of breach If ol
iar Loud cheers) Mr. Moore and Mr.. Drum
mngI both rose, and ndescribable yeLls were hear
tor several minutes-at length Mr.. Moore, in mo-
| vehement manner, exclaimed that he insisted ths
p dIsrespect of the menbers and to their r,
igion had been made, and that it was out OF ordt
IN any Christian assembly.
The Speaker told Mr. Moore he out Of orde
| Mr.. Grattan then and claimed the ight to b
heard, as old member of the House. He Gale
| Mr.. Drummond to order, and said he had right
move that his words be taken down. They we
!. | improper expressions, and MIR. Grattan asked
| there any precedents for moving that Il
| words be taken down? (The uproar continue
when the Speaker OF the House stated that M
Drummond was entitled to such expressions
he liked provided they were not OF personal cha
acter, and disrespectul to the House. Anoth
= most disgraceful and wholly indescrbable scene
uproar ensued, which continued till the Speaker,
= a peremp tory tone, said he must call on the Hou
,, | to assist him in maintaining order. He hoped tn
Mr.. Drummoni would be allowed to proceed)
/ Mr.. ID then rose, and remarked that he was n
e out of order, and that he had not been reprmande
He had been provoked by offensive interruptions
'e say things which escaped his lips, but lie wou
l. not retract one word. LAS he proceedn
e some member cried out BAH" whereupon N
5, d. said that he would not be " bahed down,
h Mr.. Drummond then went on with his speech, a
~ concluded it by calling upon the President to p
- form his promise, and take some strong and {
y, cided measures. A law should be passed to p
y. hbit Cardinals living in England, and also to ma
in all deeds done under the canon law null and vo
" The Mortmain Act should be extended, so that
ministers of every sect should not be allowed
H. rob men their death beds