Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-05-13


man from Boe,ourt in connection with his argument Oh
the subject of internal improvements He Nlr WiSe hi
contendcd for the suffrage basis only because IL wa
right in principle but because for the interest OF t
Eas-and now he appealed TO the members from me East
come to The rescue He thought that the gentleman i'o
boteouFt was acting against the interests OF Inc cs
voting against this restriction Ho must know ihat II I'M
restriction be adopted the delegates from Richmond "ou'
not dare to vote for this mixed basis ,iIion
Mr. ANDERSON said that he Responsible 10 h' constl
tuents alone, and the gentleman had right TO con-" &c
tween him and his duty.
Mr. WISE also referred to the course Of Mr. Bcale s no
consonant with the interest Of his constituents.
MIR. BRALE hoped the gentleman would allow him to pur
sue his own course TO the best Of his Judgment.
Mr. WISE had idea Of interfering between gentlemen
and their constltuensbut the positions Of the gentlemen
from Boctour and Wcs,norcland subjects OF fd ana
madverson Mr.. w. appealed to the gentleman from Vest
noreand unite with him in adopting this res cion now
in Committee Of the Whole the best time and place. 80 as 10
defeat the system Of log rolling, which, his argument
must virtually lead the gentleman from Botctourl Mr.
W. referred TO The vast difference in the assessed value OF
large country estates and small lots whose fictitious
wealth gave an undue influence and power TO towns and
cities. He also referred the constitutions in Ohio and
other States where exception had been made against
Cincinnati and other cities He Tor the rural pupu-
| laton in this struggle with the cities
MIR. JEFF t. MARTIN said, if il correct that property
should form principle of representation, he should go lor
giving weight 10 property wherever exists ceeK may
be put on undue taxation by constitutional provisions with
Incorporating the restriction the basis OF representa-
on He should go for giving full weight population this
side well the other side OF tho mounansand as the
committee hud to-day decided give weight TO property
he should also go for giving full weight property in the
Cities well as in the country The White Basis PROPOSE
| tion sufficiently restricted the cities.
Dir. CLAIBORNE had promised his constituents to allow
Richmond than three delegates and he should vote
accordingly. His constituents much alarmed on the
subject Of internal improvements Why Is this the pro-
per time adopt this restriction? He party to no ar
angemen designating another lime and place for its ndop
| ton
Mr. JAcon did not think that internal improvements had
anything do with this question lie reason why
people Of the cities should have the weight
the people Of the country. They Just v!rtuous and
intelligent. When city very large magnitude
and wealth, such New York, Philadelphia &c, 1t was
proper adopt observation-disclosures The identity Of inter-
makes the population of large cities dangerous But
have now large cities in Virginia. and this restriction is
necessary. He thought however, the question not now
very important he though, mixed basis constitution
could last long. BY proposition A. his city "necng was
deprived of member which she entitled Even
though the delegates from Richmond had h morning voted
for this exclusion OF Wheeling, he should still vote against
the proposed restriction
Mr.. CARLltE thought this The time vote fox the rcsc
on which he should cordially Under the mixed
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and wealth, would have four delegates they would
have under he white basis Hc opposed giving this
| undue power to cities.
Mr.. ARMSTRONG was forced 10 believe thar there was
principle in government and gentlemen here dis
posed TO Sink their constituents below rest Of mankind"
by proposition A. Chesterfield, with smaller taxation AMI 4
very little larger population than Hcnrico, has fro delegates,
while Henrico has only one. also gives Delegates
Richmond while she is justly entitled fee He called The
attention OF delegates from Richmond and Hcnico these
facts
Mr. DAvs.-Thc delegates from the metropolitan district
have always had curious and difficult position here Dele
gates from other districts think they understand
of this district better than doand begin
think that had better surrender The whole their
hands In reply To Mr. Ferguson who had charged tie dele
CATION from this district with robbng Richmond dele
gate, Mr. Davis referred what Mr. Ferguson had nm..
ted he would do in the Richmond delegation voted ior
his avortc measure, the white basis Equality should be
adopted this question, the white basis. The dele
gates from this district epeed the idea ,ha, they had
done all their duty in protecting the interests OF their
stituents.
Mr. Rour. G. ScorT had hoped get ihc aid OF o
these gentlemen from the West in giving 10 Rcnncnd er
full tcprcsanatioa-but, since tho Of Richmond,
change had come them. He hoped 20 proposition
passed just ast is in committee and then the Con
ventiun where he would do all to the appor,nen
for the interests Of his people Gcnamrn had procsscd great
love for Richmond und under the white basis they arc
| for "robbing" Richmond of one member.
Mr. WALLACE OF Petersburg should against the nro
position of Mr. Bolts, because il did not materially change
proposition A-and against Mr. Cluinornc's restriction
because under the pesen; circumstances OF the cities il was
unjust 10 cnl Moreover he should against these and
all other amendments because they calculated defeat
A, which the only mixed basis which could now
| be adopted.
Mr. Boris had offered his amendment not 10 defeat promo
stioR A. but to couneract the restriction moved by Mr
Claiborne.
Mr. claiborne had done nothing disturb the cq,,animi
~ OF the people of Richmond He should vote TO refer pro
| position 4 to the Convention
MIR. ASDERsoS replied 10 the remarks of SIR Wise He
contened that his constituents wG!d apuaud him for aiy
ing to the cities the number of delca to which they
entitled nsead Of giving the largest slave holding
counties larger number odecau'cs than they fairly emil
cifi
1san on .hsn m He H sh@pt . 10 @ ] sGfr m
adopted large number Of the members would go
for defeating this mixed basis proposition lie regarded pro-
position A, as n perfect bribe, which votes had been
bought up He for making strong ns it could be
under the mixed basis principle, and for breaking up
Mr.. STASARp defended the Of the delegation from
Richmond against the attempt made convict them Of want
of fidelity the interests Of their constituents Gentlemen
had voted against propositions moved by that delegation
and yet they blame for standing ~ TO the inter.
OF constituents. They wish even to restrict Rich
mond smaller number than she would be entitled To un.
der the white basis. All this because the people of Rich
nlond have had the rmncss sustain the true RenubIra
principle the mixed basis! For months h1vc been sriv.
ing carry the principle Of the mixed basis-and we have
succeeded in adopting it, in connection with an appor
tonment, which, hc say, he saw objections The
restriction upon cities should be brought up nov, rs il
calculated to cmbarass the before u.s. Let us
mike step and act this ana the reslric.
| on on cities may be arranged hereafter.
Mr.. WISE said The gentleman {A Stanard talks OF leav-
| ing it to the Convention 10 fix the details Now he (Mr
| WI always thought tha. the Committee wan ,hr nroper
place 10 arrange dels lie was glad the gentleman
had recovered from his ato sickness and anxiety of mind
and had come in with his usual air The gentleman seemed
afraid to wait, lest the galleries he talked again.
Mr.. SrASARD said that, though sick he was never sad
He had abiding confidence fully justified by result
that the people of Richmond in spite of the talking 10 the
galleries would be true 10 the principles they had avowed
Mr. kSoTE said his feelings undergo great change
before he could vote to build constitution on the mixed ba
sis He should vote for Mr. Bolts amendment bu, not fol
Mr. Caibornes restriction the cities although he did moi
think just that they should be represented according tc
the increase of their wealth5rnught from tile Wcs
and elsewhere He was unwilling to give the excess to III,
surrounding rural districts.
Mr. FERousoS explained that the proposition of Mr. Scot
OF F. distributed any excess OF the population and taxation
OF cities among the same section OF the Stac-whc Mr.
Claibornes proposition said distributed th
whole State.
Mr kSoTE thought It great wrong that the noncy OF th
West should be brought TO increase the power of other por
tions OF the State.
MI. RrvEs doubted much whether the a2portonmen, a
could be carried in its pesen shape-and he thought It's
mics saw It, II the oojsc. Of NJ. Claiborne be mato
more acceptable 10 It's friends he should go for Mr. Cai
bofnes restriction If its object was BY parlamen
nanGnvre to defeat he (Mr R should go against hi
amendment As the npppoHncat is ooectioal5H lei ~
amend IL IN SUCH 10 gentle