Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-25

CAsDEY, was then put aud decided in ths hsgstvs-
lea wing the proeso standing alone in ihe blank Ion
ihe Chair, struck with tbs Similarity of this case, and
nat Which occurred in the Senate Ut the United States
III i'9S. upon the ALIEN bill. hastily turned to the
manual and at page u.s. re-i the OF that
aS given oy Mr. Jefferson follows: "l7ss. May go the
AMEN OIL In quasi committee. To section and provi.o
10 the Original, had been ald.d new provisos BY
way OF amendment Gu motion to strike out the
ton amended the question was desired to bs divided
To do this 1t must first be put on striking out sith.r
the former proviso distinct member of the Sec
ton. But when nothing remains but the last member
OF the section and the Provsoa they cannot be divided
TO put the last member to question by itself for
the prosisos nigh. thus be left standing alone al s1
cepdons rule when the rule is taken away; or tie
new provisos might be left TO second question after
having been decided on once before at the reading
which is contrary to rule But the question must be
striking out the last member @: the section amended
This sweeps away the xcsptions with the rule and
lieyas from inconsistence A question to BE- divided
mast comprehend points distinct and entire that oos
of them being taken away the other may stand entire
Bat proviso exception without enscting clause
does not contain an entire point proposition"
1t Ii to DC remarked, the question il this case was
ono of ristOn. and not of um,ninen.-but the prind
pies of parliamentary Jaw involved in IT, as sxpoundsd
by Mr. Jefferson and the very striking resemblance il
all it. parts to the present case made such impress
sion ur>n the mind of the CHAIR that mone,tarly for
letting tie written rule of tire Convention under which
received. lie suggested to the committee. shat be
had erred in entertaining the amendment OF Mr. CAMDEN
The gentleman from iIeckleubury, (Mr GooDE,) thc1
suggested, that the amendment must De considered oJ
the Chat void and the 18th section in ia original
form still pending before the cosmittee The Chair
!ss-n7ed from this opinion OF iIr. GooDI, and said,
hat any c,".pss act of parliamentary body whether
lone regularly rregulary. only be anuulled By
the boy itself and bv the fiat of the prssi
ling officer. This point OF order giving rise
discussion the mind o. tie Chair reverted to the S4th
rule Of the Convention and srrestins he debate lie
read it as follows: Any mein' or may call for the dvi-
ion of question and II aall be divided, If 1t comprs
mend propositions in substance distinct that b.
I'M taken away, substantive proposition shall rsnaia
ir the decision o. the house Js: nioo, TO strike out
being last, shall! no. prscIa,: ,a.n 20 ariks ont o"d
insert and thereupon be said, the Amendment Of Mr..
CAMDES regular, a.d properly entertained BY the
Guar. No appeal was taken, bur debate arose, and
notion TIA. the committee 10 enable the Chair 10
ioo into Tents prevailed Thus the question stood
at the time nf diournnsnt Yesterday. The 2+;h rule
lnf the Convention lesis ncl to change two VOL
srown and long established principles Of parliamentary
uw Fret that which denied the individual right OF
i member to demand the division Of question contain
M more parts than one-see Jefferson manual p lT3-
g. And secondly that which urb.ds the striking Of
what has been inserted agreed TO bv the housesee
manual, D. Ill Bv these pr!n piles Of parliamentary
practice it Is clear that after the committee refused 10
strike out the llth s.co il would not have been IN
order Tor the gentleman from Harrison (nlr CAMDEN
% move again strike it Cut, with the view OF
SUBSTITUTE IN - II Was III
AID under the influence OF lie parliamentary lcp alto
,ccr that the Chair too hastily yesterday suggest
ed that lie had improperly entertained the motion
strike out and insert, after the committee had upon
VISION agreed to tie 18th section N II. orlginai :orm
Bat The 34ih rule of the Convention expressly declareA
That III motion 20 s,rks o., being lost Ia ia this case)
shall ;recl,nf motion 10 strike on. and insert.
upor mature reelection, and review Of tue opinion
expressed Yesterday the Chair adheres to hls decson
and considers the amendment Of the gentleman from
IT.. ". - i srJr
but the very terms of the 34h rllc 1t Is true that By
the votes of the committed nothing of the section
mains but the provso-but i: is still in the power Of
the committee to fill the blank and il they refuse to do
So the original section will still constituted part OF tbs
text Of the report, when return into the Convsn-
tion and may b. retained WITH or without The ProvAo
IS that body may desire.
FORMATION or NEW couHTua
Mr. TAYLOR. ua lerstanl that there Is nothing in
this l4tl section but the provi>o.
Mr.. GOODE. | beg leave to inform the Chair, that
when the question. of order Yesterday, had
unlimited proposition filling the blank. By inserting
the words Of the first clause whica had been stricken
,ut changing them in two psrtlculars-nak'ng the
area $50 Instead Of 600 square miles and the p9pua-
5 500 instead OF 5000 Tina; is the pending ques-
;on since the Chair ha eciiel this question Of order
MrTAYLoR as nothing rgf9 n@5o but the pro,so.
and a, UPON division Of the We san ,rts
ont the prov:o and refuse TO iuser und thas get rid Of
/ he whole.
The CHAIR Il l.. not in order to strike out tha
provsc now because it has been inserted By the COM
nittcc and thus agreed TO- There IL way Of getting
rid Of in conm;:so. Tho pending question upoa
The motion of the gentleman from NecSlenburg (Ar
Goonr) 10 insert the following in The blank:
"Nn new county shall be formed with an area less
than $50 square miles In the formation of new coun-
ties no existing county shall! he reduced below such
area nor shall ans existing c,u::ty having popua
ton less than 500 white inhabitants, be deprived OF
nm than olp-.iftl OF Its DJptiat.oD
[Contin,ed to Supplement No. So.