The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-03-11

general clerks. For the clerical service have not
word 10 say but where be the necessity of assist
ant Secretary Of State II there be necessity for that
doubt not that every cabinet officer would require the
sane aid and assistant in his department We have
nothing demonstrating that larger portion of labor is
deyoved upon this department than upon any other de-
partment of the government On the contrary take it
asked now TO create Assistant Secretary OF State, and
put upon the appropriation BILL when the session is
about to close, and when we have not time to examine
! into II.
1t does strike 10 be nexpedient to throw these bills
TO amendments OF this enlarge the number OF
ohcers and fixing the salaries OF lhem requiring vote
upon them without moments consideration. For one,
do not perceive that there any greater necessity for
this Office than there has been heretofore. If il is
pedent and proper let the President in his annual mes
sage recommend it, and state at length the in
favor OF creating IL let Congress have opportunity Of
looking into il and examining into it let committee
port upon it and let both branches Of Congress have time
10 investigate into and the necessity and importance
OF the measure II are required 10 vote upon this
question immediately. Increasing, may say the
be OF cabinet officers, IN this hurried manner without de-
Liberation, without examination without facts and in The
absence OF all argument, know of but way that
can act Tor The purpose OF making ourselves right and
that is to vote upon the yeas and nays and therefore
ask them upon the question OF adopting this amendment.
| lMr FOOTE read from some documents in support, OF
this amendment which, with his remarks, will be pub
Mr.. CLEMENS | make point OF order that accord
ing TO the rule in regard to the appropriation bills, this
amendment Is out OF order The rule is as follows:
No amendment proposing additional appropriations
shall be received TO general appropriation bill, unes
il be made carry the provisions existing
or some act or resolution previously passed by the Senate
during that session. or III pursuance Of estimate from
the head OF some department." etc.
There is estimate here made by the head of depat-
Mr. FOOTE | have read the estimates here. Mr..
/ Buchanan made them.
Mr.. CLEMENS; Were they made this session.
h Mr.. FOOTE Mr. Webster sends us that estimate of
MIR. Buchanan mbodyng his views
| Mr.. CLEMENS. 1t was not made at this session. at
all events The rule requires that il shall be estimate
during the present session Now, there is estimate,
that have seen, that made at any ime-cerlainly
none during this session make the point OF order that,
according to the rule, the amendment is not in order.
Il MIR FOOTE All | have 10 say is that the present
Secretary of State Imbodes, part OF his address
the chairman OF the committee in the other House, the
views OF Mr. Buchanan upon this subject, which con.
tain estimates; which estimates thus reiterated
by the present Secretary of State In his letter he
sends the letter which he addressed the chairman Of
the Committee OF Ways and Means in the other House,
reterang again everything contained in the documents
which now have before me.
The PRESIDENT. The question of order being made,
is not debaabe until the Chair has made his decision
The senator from Mississippi Mr.. FoorEl will please
send 10 the Chair the papers from which he derives the
estimates upon which he relies, that the Chair may
if the estimate has been made according 10 the rule
MIR. FOOTE. Yes, sir; and the Chair will see that
this present letter imbodes what understand con-
tanned in the anleceden, documents. may be allowed to
say that this letter has been recently received by
committee; and the present Secretary OF State commu-
ncstes 10 these documents, hus giving to them his
sanction, and requesting base upon them,
The papers were then sen, the Chair, when after
some examnaton.
estimate, The senator from Mississippi will be kind
enough TO point out the estimate the question OF order
being made. -s. ..... A..
tMr CLEMENS, If he will allow me, tha, think that is
technically estimate and must be regarded by the
Chair But If there is any doubt the subject there is
nothing than 10 send 10 the Department OF Stale
and get in still more solemn and emphatic manner. an
estimate on the subject before this bill is disposed of
hope that he VII not put us to that trouble;
II Mr.. CLEMENS. | wish 10 say reply to the sug
geslion OF the honorable senator from Mississippi, Mr..
foorE that he is decidedly mistaken about his ability
OF sending to the departmen nj and getting estimate
now. What do we understand by an estimate made by
the head OF the department. II is estimate of the
funds necessary to carry office already existing
He has right 10 presuppose ofce-one that does
no, exls,,o recommend that Office shall be created
and make estimates That is not estimate within the
meaning OF the rule-t is not what we understand by
estimates. He cannot get estimate now, because there
office There must be creation OF office before
II can be estimated. ..r..
The PRESIDENT. 1t is not debasbe. The Chair
feels great reluctance being compelled TO decide this
question, inasmuch he entesins opinion that
organization of the department is necessary for the trans
action OF The public business but looking al the rule as
adopted and the papers aid before him, he cannot
any such estimate comes within the provisions OF the
rule, and therefore obliged TO decide that 1t cannot be
offered according to that rule 1t Is not IN order.
MIR. FOOTE II the chairman OF the Committee on
Finance acquesces, can say nothing. ] really would
not wish TO appeal from that decision bat very
sorry that he has aCqulesced. e.
Mr.. HUNTER There are great many other amend
menis TO be proposed and reported by the Committee on
Finance before we get through. The next one is
For the salary The clerk General Land Office
employed upon Chtckhssw business and hitherto paid
the Cuckasaw fund, from Mach L. 1851 January
80 1884, eighteen hundred and seyeutyrnree dollars
thereof be him at the rate
OF fourteen hundred dola per AID lor any
vices which the pnncip. clark OF prlyae land claims may
perform in relation 10 the ChcksssV fund.- he may be paid
such npenssuon has BE- en- htiefo allowed him out
the treasury Otherwise Appropriated,
which Is hereby appropriated Pfopidsd horspu, That
pen whenever the Secretary OF
Interior shall direct his services To be discontnued
have clerks Thus is with respect to OF them,
formerly employed upon the Chckasaw fund and by
the act which has organized the Indian department,
passed at this session, s provided that they shall no
longer be paid out OF the Cbickasaw fund The
quence would have to dismiss these clerks who per
o all duties OF the government unless there ia some
Appropriation in the bill The House did not decide that
they would not have to discharge the duties, but that the
OF aschargng these duties must be settled upon the
United States treasury and not upon the Indians s TO
provide to reimburse tbsm.
Mr. UNDERWOOD | wish to ask the gentleman
upon the Committee Finance who has charge OF this
bill whether he has examined that treaty, and whether
the committee have to the conclusion that all the
money heretofore paid out OF the Chickasaw fund is IL.
legally and improperly paid for II this amendment pre-
walls, condemn, by providing other clerks and giving
them salaries, instead OF paying them heretoore-we
thus condemn the taking OF the money heretofore out of
the Cbickasaw fund 10 pay these clerks We laying
in this hssty legislation IL seems To me- the foundation
for claims for do not know how thousand dol
lars those Indians could get from for all this money
we have Improperly appropriated Will the gentleman
give the information whether he has examined the
treaty, and whether it would have that effect
Mr. HUNT ! perhaps did not explain very &C.
| curately in remarks before. | did not TO