Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-05-20

man from rauquiel (Air Scorr.l The eolpml'tce
agreed to strike out and refused to insert G. Having
stricken out proposition B, blank now Is greater.
The gentleman from Hsnrico now has riSnl ::
submit his proposition to fill the blank created ~
striking out B. think that is correct view Of the
question. ..
Mr.. SUMMERS. I certainly will not Put myself In
compettion with my friend from Norfolk Dir. " ATS
- far as parliamentary skill is concerned but think
know enough about it to see that inc proposition OF
the gentleman from licnrco bears now precisely the
same relation TO proposition rs dId the proposition o.
the gentleman from Fauquier 10 proposition b-precisc-
Ily. The proposition Of the gentleman from Fauquier
and proposition have both been disposed of thai,
there is nothing before this committee now, except prop
ositon and the proposition Of the gentleman from
Hcnrico. Before, between the proposition oftie gen.
teman from Fauquierand proposition a division being
called for. the first question was upon striking out
proposition B now like division being called for re-
tween proposition and the proposition of the gentle
man from lenrico precisely the state of things
will result ask that the question be taken upoi
striking out proposition a, whether bank
is to be created-if so, then it is competent insert
the proposition Of the gentleman from Henrico (Nr
BoTrsl and then the question arises as to any other
amendment
Mr.. SCOTT, Of FauGuier. apprehcnd if the ques
ton before the committee is to strike out and subs
ute the proposition Of the gentleman from uenrico :;
then Il IS the power and it is the privilege OF the gem
teman from kanawha ask for division of the ques
ton but apprehend that the proper time to move the
amendments which are contemplated 10 be moved TO the
proposition of the gentleman from Henrico, IS before
the vote shall bs taken to strike out proposition A.
! The CHAIR. a division Of the Question has already
been asked for which brings up hrst the question OF
striking out proposition A.
| Mr.. HOPKINS. have just been informed that upon
the last vote has not been recorded upon the
journal answered twice TO the call of the Secretary
and took it for granted my vote had been recorded
The SECRETARY stated that he did not hear the gen
! tleman answer to his uame.
/ The CHAIR. The gentleman vote cannot aliecl 'h'
result The Secretary will cn.er The gentleman nauc
upon the journal.
| The entry was accordingly made. Mr. H. voting no
| So the ote stood ayes Gu, noes I'll.
| Mr.. SAUNDERS. My hearing 's rather defective
and as nm rot much skilled in parliamentary law
do not know exactly how the question stauds but Ii
, is in orccr offer an amendment, the proposition
which has been read by the Secretary.
(, The CHAIR 1t is in order The gentlernan's pro-
position will then be amendment TO the amendment
The Erat question Is upon the amendment to the
amendment.
Mr. PRICE. With great Difference 10 my friend from
! Lynchbnrg (Mr. SArSpEEs) propose to him that
he permit the question upon striking be taken
first ii the is carried i'll the affirmative there will
lie blank created, aud then it will be perfectly COM
peeut for the gentleman to fiji tha: blank with his pro
position in competition with tho amendment OF the
gentleman from Hrnrco in this stage OF the ques-
ton here there were ou, cries Of qucslon, "Ques-
! ton, and some confusion in tue hall.
| The CHAIR. Gentlemen must keep order or it will
J be impo>si lie to proceed with our business.
| Mr. PRICE was suggesting TO my friend IRON
| Lyuchburg TO withhold hi, amendment Until the vote
! taken upon striking out proposition A then
blank would be left and 1t might be filled with either
his proposition the proposition Of the gentleman r m
Heurico, or any otter proposition which may be pre-
seuted. Let US the Of the committee, aud
know whether the original proposition accorIs with the
opinions OF ma jority Of the committee or not II II
dies no then it perfectly competent TO MI the olapk
that is created with any proposition that presented
Mr.. RIDLEY. | desire to understand III. question
before Suppose proposition y is stricken OUT, i
the proposition OF thu gentleman from lienrico (Mr
BORIS amend4blc before a vote is taken upon 1t
! The CHAIR. Certainly it is.
! Mr. MASON Does the Cnur de de that tie props
sition Of the gentleman from Heurcu, Mr.. BoTrs)
Alncndabc before the question taken upon the secunG
branch?
The CHAIR LIDO.
Mr.. MASON beg leave 10 call the attention OF TIE
Chair with entire Difference to him. 10 the condition. ri
the questions which We have just passed. Proposition
y was the primary proposition. Proposition . was
moved amendment 10 it. The proposition OF thr
gentleman rom fauquer, Mr. ScoTT.) was moved rs an
amendment by wax substitute for B. division o!
the question called for ami tho first question was
upon striking out B. because until that question was
decided it could not be determined whether the propo-
.ilion Of the gentleman from Fauquier, (Ar. ScoTr,j
should be inserted. 1t was decided thuk very pro-
pry By the Chair although odlng to parliamentary
rules il NAV be cunsidercda doubtful question that II tn.
propositi N Of tn. gentleman from Fauquicr was insert
cd aud If such should be the pleasure OF the Convex
ion it was then open to amendment and that those
amendments might so together to the extent OF slEiH-
out the whole ropostou The Chair will observe tla
its decision that the proposition Of The geutemi
from Fauquier amcndtbls until the qucstinn
i taken upon insertion. Now, if l understand il,
whatever may be the construction given by the Chair
as the form in which the gcutl from lienrc"
Dir. Born puts his PROPOSE ion ii the question IS taken
upon his proposition as an amendment, TO A. which Is Il
Invisible question you pnt it upon the hrst oranch Oh
he question of striking ont a and you cannot ainrl
i the proposition of the gentleman from !enrlco, lNr
: borrs) until you have the question upon inserting Ar
cordiug to the decision Of the Chair which repeat j,
uted every principle of *onlng of parl.amenta
ry law the proposition of the gentleman from Fauqu'er
Mr. ScoTr was amcIdable until the question was
taken upon insertion Now the proposition OF The ger
tleman from IIenrco, Ar BoTs occupies exactly The
! same position know it is proposition in the sccon
degree but it is questiontis question OF striking
out and inserting When you put one half OF the que
tnn YOU must pat the other half understand tt,
: parliamentry rules
Mr. SHEsFEY. would ask the gentleman from
Southampton, (Mr. MAsoS) whether after motion It
strike hall have prevailed the motion TO lnser; l.
not debatuble question: Certainly it is. 1t is an IN
dependent proposition; and if debatablc then tie pro-
position is anendable The attitude OF The propositio
f the gentleman from Fau1uier DIR ScoTT,l was di-
ercn, Il occupied position in the third degree an
therefore upon motion to strike ont amend, aud insert
e the proposition Of the gentleman from Fauquler (Mr
: Scorr,) was amendabie in no degree whatevr
The CHAIR That was the view the Chair took OF tue
{ matter.
Mr. sHEFFEY That was tho ground upon which
understood the decision Of the Chair rests that the com
ntec bad refused 10 insert the proposition of the gen
tleuaan from Fauquer, Mr. ScorT,l and proposition
having been swept by the board, the only proposition
before the conmsttee was shall be reported IN The
House, the proposition agreed TO by the committee
That being the case L having been swept by the board
having gone too A, the primary propost on is open
for amendment in the second degree Then the question
is upon striking out A. Suppose the committee agree
to strike out A. ask my friend from Southampton (Nlr
AAsoN) whether the proposition OF the gentleman from
Hrnrco. Mr Boris is not then independent propo-
ston-to fill the bank-nnd is moi then debatable and
arnendabie
Mr. WISE. The condition of the question, humbly
submit to the Chairs this Suppose the Committee ha:
refused to strike they would Of course have reject
ed c. Il would have stood where the proposition of the
gentleman from Helico (Mr Borr>.) now stands. Be-
: cause one amendment 10 the amendment had failed.
would that have been any reason why another amend,