Richmond daily times. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1853, 1851-04-08
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FATAL CUES ZION IN ENGLAND.

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> The British Ministry are still in a dilemma, Tb
Papal aggression question: which, for unwards Of 6v
months, has convulsed Great Britain is sill The
dthculty In the path ofthe government. Lord Joh,
Russell resigned office on the ever memorable 22d O
g risis commenced. Que important month in The af
airs OF the nation has elapsed and that crisis s inst
serious now as was thep-nay I think il ;s aver
more serious. Ministers are restored to Office but fol
all practical purposes they nonenes
Last week Lord John Russell stated the ordor i;
which the measures OF the government would be taker
up, but on Friday last he caused some astonishmen,
when ne announced that he should not 60 on with the
estimates whilst the Papal aggression question was be
fore the house. and that he should not propose the nan
cal arrangements OF the year, or any other government
measure. so long as a vote of censure was pending
against Ministers.
On Friday last, in the House OF Commons the or.
der OF the day Tor The second reading of the Ecclesjas
teal Titles bill came up, when the Earl of Arundel
moved that the second reading be de Grred for six
months. upon tins question debate was opened, and
continued tor several nights The Earl of Arundel ar
gued that the Papal rescrpt did not infringe the
Queens prerogatve and he believed that serious con
sequences would ensue the measure were passed even
in its amended shape.
Sir Robert Peel delivered an elaborate speech in
port of the anti Papa bill He thought that religious
liberation ought TO be extended to all sects and it was
because he believed that this bill would not interfere
with the legal exercise OF religious liberty but would
merely control the abuse of it, that he should vote for
It, lie spoke OF the intoerant and nsidious policy of
Rome, and said this last of aggression was the first
step in an. organized system Of attack upon the
religious faith and civil institutions of English
men. Sir r. Peel sentreated the House TO- nre-
vent an abuse from taking root, the fruits of
which would endanger the safety of the State
The debate was adjourned from Friday to Monday,
when it was resumed by Mr.. Moore, who contend.
ed that if there had been any aggression it was of
spiritual character, and that the conduct OF the present
Ministers, and especially the language used by the
Premier in 49, must have led the Pope to believe that
fhn hlicilp nF hinror
toned, at least have been passed over with silence by
the government. Mr. Moore denied that the anti. Pa.
pal bill you'd vndicate the rights otthe Crown
The debate was then adjourned till last night, when
1t was renewed Mr.. Newgate, who spoke Of the "ar
rogant invasion of the temporal and spiritual civil
rights and institutions ofthe country" He condemn.
ed the conduct of the government, which had gwen
advantages to the ultra montana party at Rome, and
spoke OF the DEFICIENCIES in the bill before the House.
which contained nothing to prevent the exercise OF
the hierarchy, or the converting osyods and he said
ii the people disappointed in their expectation,
OF legal protection, they would take the law into their
cutting measure, which fraught with danger to the
peace, tranquility and best interests of the empire
at large. Mr. Henry Drummond said the question
was simply whether the Catholics should remain
tolerated sect under the spiritual dominion of the Queen
or whether the Queen should be a licensed hereto un-
der the spiritual dominion OF the Pope-and, whether
third OF the people should be governed by law
unknown to the other two thirds and deemed by the for
that this night or this debate, this BILL or hundred
such would not settle the question; for the Pope had
raised storm in this country that would not be quiet
again in the life time of any present."
After referring TO the power of the Pope and his Car
dnals and Bishops and commenting in severe language
on the doctrine and principles of the Court OF Roms
Mr. Drummond said that he spoke from what he had
seen with ms own eyes Nunneries were either pris-
ons or brohels; honorable members might take their
choice OF the expression" An indescrible scene Of
disorder followed this remark. The Earl OF Arundel
rose to ORDER He asked the Speaker whether it was
in order to refer to those nunneries in which resided
ladies devoted to the service of God? The Speaker
decided that Mr. Drummond in order, and he
again addressed the House, amidst repeated Interrupt
TONS lie stated that Cardinal Wiseman had made as
sertions which entirely false with respect to the
intentions Of the Pope and declared that all Popes as.
serted that they were lords paramount over temperate
TIES, as well as sprituaties, and Mr.. Dummond quot
ed numerous authorities in proof OF his statement He
then compared Cardinal Wiseman to the Thugs "who
were murderers hut they committed murder to obtain
living, the Roman Catholics told lies "as an act of
worship" Hequoted DR.. Wiseman, who, Mr. Drum
mond said. Openly declared that if they tthe Catho
lics) believed thing to be white they were bound
nevertheless to call black the hierarchica church
so define it TO be-" tMr. Drummond was again inter
rupted by cries of "oh OH, cheers, laughter andgene-
raj contuson.)
He went on to remark that the people were waiting
to learn the decision OF their political leaders in this cues
ton, and if the people refused efficient protection
then they would take the law into their own hands-the
only way OF preserving the peace would be give them
a bill with adequate powers--they hated imposture-
Loud cries order')-they detesed every thing like
imposture-and, above all 'they scorn those who are
importing cargoes of blinking statues bleeding pictures
sgniiyng blood, and drops OF the Virgin Marys milk.
The excitementnow rose to IRENE ldous height Loud
and general exclamstionS of "oh! oh!"order ORDER
-"shame"-numerous groans, some Kisses, and what
is known as "cock-crowng!" In short, the House of
bear-garden. After the uproar had partially subsidized
Mr.. Drummond inquired why any member called "oh
oh!' Mr.. OFaherly here rose to order and submitted
TO the English House OF Commons whether there ought
be- the part OF the House. some expression of
feeling with respect to the language employed by Mr.
Drummond--(eries OF ono, no,")--would they suffer
members of that House to be thus insuItedl Cries OF
"order," during which Mr.. John O'Connell Jumped up
and moved an adjournment and Mr. Howard seconded
motion, amidst renewed agitation aud confusion, and
loud cries from all parts OF the House. and above all the
words "you blackguard" were heard!
The Speaker then arose and asked members not to
interrupt the debate; and he hoped gentlemen would abb
stain from the use OF any expression tending to wound
the feelings OF the members ofthat House. Mr. Drum
mond again and attempted TO speak but the Irish
members Justify called Tor an adjournment, and declar-
ed that they would not remain to be nsulted Mr.
OConne again jumped up amidst scene OF the great.
est confusion, and asked if he was in order in moving
the adjournment OF the House and also if it was not
rlght mat Mr. Dfnmmond should make an apology to
the House Mr.. OConnePs voice was entrei " drown
ed in the continued uproar and cries of "order" The
Speaker then informed MI. OConne that he himseltyos
guilty ola breach oforder. cloud cheers Mr. Moore
and Mr.. Dummond both rose, and ndescribable ueus
were heard for several minutes at length Mr. Moore na
most vehement manner exclaimed that he insisted that
dsrespec to some OF the members and to their religion
had been made and that it was out of order in any
Christian assembly.
The Speaker told Mr. Moore he was out of order.
Mr. Gratan then rose and claimed the right to be heard
as an old member OF the House. He called Mr. Drum
mond to order and said he had right to move that his
words be taken down. They were improper expires
sons and Mr. Grattan asked it there were any nrece
dents for moving that the words be taken down The
uproar continued when the Speaker of the House stated
that Mr. Drummond was entitled to use such ernras.
sions as he liked provided they were not of personal
character, and dsrespecttul to the House. Another
most disgracetu and wholly ndescrbabe scene of m
roar ensued, which continued till the Speaker in per
empory one said he call on the House to assist
him in maintaining order. He hoped that Mr.. Drum
mond would be allowed to proceed)
Mr.. D. then rose, and remarked that he wa, not ont
of ORDER and that he had not been reprimanded, He
had been provoked by. offensive Interruptions to saw
things which escaped his lips but he would not retrac
one Word LAS he wa' proceeding some member cried
be "bshed down." Mr.. Drunmond then went ON with
his speech, and concluded by calling upon the Prems
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