Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-25

house is opposed ANY hii corning the secenn ca %
fore the al ournrent is inevitably defeated one
is opposed to it, Is it right that fraction o. ''e
should have the power defeat bill under consult
tional provi sion requiring that it shal! be read on
veralnys Therefore if the gentleman will v:thnra" ~
amendment, and provide an amenin !: when WI
reach the object he has i'll view, aud n the S.e LIN
not put il in the power of fraction Of the nH'"c'
defeNt an important measure, will go VIII III. lei"
from Petersburg in the requirement that i1c m '1ai
De real three tmes, and when amendments Ea'e pee
proposed to bill bill shall be passed u!t.1 Fe
amenlei Then every Sody will understand H. sue
provision that Will be cIfcctua and moi pm II ~ IN
power OF small squad OF the members Of einei i''s
to defeat any measure; md it vii! be Al ei.ct"a
against improper egisaliSu-againt the ia'f''uEu"
Of subjects into bill which have not been rrnd 81 IN
lerst"ol by the house. In the present i.rh4 OF Ia
amendment canno; vote Tor it.
Mr.. WALLACE l .annpt Withdraw the amendment
The gentleman mas nqurel ." me in regard - th''ai
the house. Now the house can make such '.sS ~ I'ie
please except such may be strictly rbi len b: TN
constitution | understood that this vcrT WovsI"'
which intend to insert here. if can, hi. hah
beneficial effect wherever adopted in the c'ushtlol
Of other States.
Mr. ANDERSON. 1t would seem to ~ with dn
reference to the gentleman from Pet .rsburs Sr Al.
LA0E,) and the gentleman from Augusta Mr. SHsFFrY
that the amendment which they support w' ~ in"e'
zeal will not correct the evil of which ther complain.
Mr SHEFFEY. If the gentleman will Kermit me,
will say that expressly stated that hat A'tnh@ u
do with the amendment and spoke oulv Of me grievance
10 be remeded
Mr. ANDERSON understood the Gentleman I
advocate the amendment with great cN. OF ze" -'""
should like TO know wln: good will rrsri; ITO reqf
ing bill TO be read three times three eiIa,t Ga
when YOU do not require the members o ne l'S's''Gt'
10 listen to the reading. would hcrefTe respectfully
suggest to the mover Of this anenamcH; ;" TO n"d'l
il, as 10 require that each member .ht 'nEe an "ati
that he will listen to the reading OF eye:y b'ii hret
times three separate days.
Mr. WALLACE NJ: friend can oisr That hsinse
as separate and distinct section Lausht"'
| Mr.. ANDERSON. / only throw out the Suggestion
Tor wh.; it i. worth understand that tie gentleman
wishes this amendment to correct another "rh--that u
members running home Hear The end 81 ne session
Now would respectfully suggest to hin ma: he co9d
correct that evil more thoroughly b. requiring the
clerk 10 keep account Of the number q days tna'
ZACH member is absent, and deduct his PR dicn i'r
every day that he is absent aud also :" Fra!b: the
.lcrE from issuing certificate OF payment u.th IN
lav OF the adjournment and that he shalt issue II to in
one rxcep, the member in person. in 'Aa. way you
the Attendance OF members ul TIE close "i
| lie session.
throw out these remarks for the purpose Of showing
lie impropriety of this Convention going l":o the dc
tails of mere ordinary legislation while maE!hg III
organic laws OF the land think We had '"sIcr learr
i To the legislature. and cnnccdc tn them some III.
honesty aud intelligence. think that gentlemen c nj
urm the constitution upon the presumption that W.
possess all the intelligence ana hones" III the St'e
We ought to concedc 10 our constituents 'oi'c lEl
honesty and intelligence, and that they VIII take goo
are TO elect members the Legislature who TiIl car
rect The evils OF which the gentleman Complains. 10
therefore hope that this Convention viii NOT enter ito
esn lille minutia Of detail while !rau!9s tao erEac
| law.
Mr. WILLIAMS, of s&.nandoal. Il soag. 10 -
hat the pr,nciHc 90 octon urged a5in:; al: proper
l. - III. 4 NJ. 1.
To refer to few Of the constitution nf the States nj
snow gentlemen that lLr :ro| ht!u- noel ma
Ter. il Is inserted in every o. these Institutions II
SGu! Carolina Till or ordinance :.i have the fore
f law Unit! i shall have bte read three times
.hrre several days iii each hose. l. i III" case ;
Georgia except in vi invasion 0r instruction Il
in Tennessee IL IS so in Oaio ua'es in OF enc"
:.ncy tree-fnr:hs OF tie members lal! dec It nece.
AIRY nia cxpciient to dispense with this rr". In Il
| llama is e SAGE rule, rxrep. IL be su?ea !st b.
:otc Of two-tirds In Louisiana is The same rule. ]!
Mrss~sipp the rule. except upon ro.c "f ;oC:
ift:ls / have only ha time 20 refer 30 II sc few, Z
show tina; il is no: new thing By ~: Hns.
In answer 10 ap o5- tiou made by IL" gentleman TO
Logan. woaid sat aat il i; lI"rci designed I" car
INTO tue Constitutions parliamentary las: requiring bill
20 be read upon tnrce different da.+. Ia rrr' -
Gentleman from Frc.lricE, Ar 8Yg5l tia :I'- ,.oT
lie inserted, ow ina. We !lav+ n!te .h4 >a--iun
[ won Il aav ba: the provi:iua That have proposed
cop e in part from, the Maryland con.tiCon. and tn"
nave inited their legislature from the s.coI u uJJ
| m January 10 the twelfth day ri March Instead .
u being NV ln:ny it is inserted in aros.
| -,itu,ion tba. have had time to EXAMINE. AL
could pc i'll favor Vi adopting another measure iron
the Georgia cun-tltut'"1: That ~ bill or nrjln1ar
eject e,l hv either house shall b- browL: il agmi; n,
Ter the sans other title without the con ent
thirds ofcach branch an tina. wD,.ll ol,ca;e
f the injections o; The gcrt!-nln from Log IA vi
!rnGus1S) Another objection TINT lie la, ma !, is
vate b. the fifteenth section OF the report ri t.
legislative Committee wh'h says THAI there sh7:!
10 more than -ub &c: embrace in one bill.
Tie cu"stioa hein, hen ta:ea upon the nm"adnst
# MIR. WILLIAMS ot Shenandoah to Tie anlcnd;nei
il was rejected.
Mr. PRICE. I more to amend til amcn Inert
the gentleman from Petersburg iMr. WALLACE !.
>trkin. on, the words " twonrd, Of tie mealb,:
elected, and insert "two-,brl2 CT the members pr.
ent.
The amendment to the amendment was rejected
! Mr.. FERGUSON. | move to strike out the anerl
ineat aud Insert the following:
$50 bill shall be passed. un,il it has been real Ii:
sever; times in each house. ami WHEN bill! shall liz
been amended. it shall no; be passa;! n:o law uat
oe read as amended"
The distinction between the two Droro.i:,a, i. tbs
make provision for dispcisir. .ill lie readl. !,
ALL as the gentleman from Peter biis Nj WAlLAG
does NJ reason for that j. tt.. link Ill Lis ouslt
% be read The proposition OF the gentleman fra
Petersburg, which is the par a.ncutary ruc j. ;ha, ill
shall lie read three sevcra! line, three several as
bu; then that reading Gu l Il -pvj.yt with Tie b
ect Of the reading is, tna; the lii shall Ee understood
ana il it is real three ,nlcs upon ,ar ii l. ;,t IS
rtf1etaal guard agals: inipro"dent ir-l.;oi rs il
, BE- read Oh three GiiFercn; davs. I;mak.s no no
vision for the dispensing with the rel iit- rnt"ly
Under the proposition Of gentleman from Petersburg
-Ir WALIAcEJ onc-thlrd OF the members elected al
preve:.; the passage of IN importan: .y which has
reached the other house IN tine lie read on tire,
! several days With that view. and ne: being win;
to provide in tbs constitution ANY provisions w.icI
may clog legislation aoi pu il in the power cf rae
ton TO defeat the passage OF important bill 10 vic
that fraction may be opposed an. against the an:nd
acnt in it, present form.
In regard I" the examples that the gentleman ron
Shenandoah (sE. WILLIAMS has rea / have oal- {
av that it is noorou, iyt thai ait being in SC sio:
Tor months. the c"as'itntL' OF Maryland ia
the night fetore the C"nTra.ion a.carnrd which nc
coun,< for the miserable piece Of Patchwork wic h.:
enauaei from tina; body
), Dir. VOOLFOLK. a. several gentlemen, hare gve'
their experience, beg !eavct II give mine MS, | no:
that iii the legislature several bills h .vc been pa >ci
certainly without any rca Ing in oae branch and ar