The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-03-21

enough 10 propose such system OF taxation will max
the people feel The esJn between the constituency and
the representatives.
Sir know THE bill will pass in some form or other
All that can do IS TO control. as lar as BY my
single vote the exayaganee OF the bill Some Of the
objects OF II may be worthy; OF them suggest them
selves 10 me as sery worthy bot Tor many Of them
must say THAI II 10 voting money away upon experi.
meat | have been told that this is experiment
and we have an opportunity OF trying it Ii is an
unuicd experiment, and many Of the friends of the bill
do not know what rivers and what harbors be al
fected BY H. The senator from Kentucky Mr. CLAYl
says that there many things in il that perhaps he
will not approve, but there many things in il that
be would approves that he Is willing 10 take Il ALL Now.
there are 80 many engaged in the incubation OF
this wonderful egg that do not know who can CLAIM
!he paternity OF after u - haichedsitet The on,
comes up 10 lis assistance upon one ground, my
friend from Kentucky MIR CLAY upon another ana me
senator from Massachusetts, lMr DAvIsl is Wiling 10
Sir, have never seen any matter of much magn-
tude brought under deiberatlon under cneuis'ah.eo
which II seems TO me commend tia hado viii
degree to the consideration OF delbefaire oouyi wiz
not undertake 10 say that could vote for OIL OF any
kind have said that many oil heSe gfea, Streams 40
address themselves the national conslaefa'loh' ana
,yond mi excude them if could vote Tor lhe OIL con-
sstently with my construction OF me cohs,iluuoh
know that there are others VINO nave no sue scupiss
sYtavaeance of those who willing 10 throw out this
broad net everywhere to catch The different Interests OF
az FRY system
svsten OF intelligence will say, before conclude, that,
so far regards these principal rivers. am inclined 10
think that would vote Tor them upon the ground OF
eng the whole system 60, and let its entire character
Be exhibited at once let every il lei ii go to the
country, and let them see IT, There are great many
willing to ride this hobby, and there great many
who will find that the hobby is not able to carry them all
Mr. SHIELDS demanded the yeas and nays which
ordered
Mr. CASS One word before this vote is taken. |
want say that shall vote for the amendment, not
the ground that either of these rivers improper 10 be I'M
proved do not enter upon that subject at albu that
survey has been made there Is no estimate from any
department, and no responsibility before us The hon
oabe senator from Kentucky has talked about Two kinds
of estimates Estimates required and there
law upon your statute winch IS not founded upon
themnot single This is the first exception that has
been made under government What Is the estimate
for To give general idea whether the Improvement
is TO cost you one million OF dollars or ten millions OF
dollars. Ii has two oblects-o show Congress what
be DONE and 10 guide the Executive the mode OF
expenditure For instance, there is much grading TO
be done and here there is TO be pier and SO on II IS
all specifically stated in the estimates The idea is held
out TO Congress that for the expenditure OF certain
of money, much TO be done No such thing here
How do we know tina, $4,000 will be required for the
Improvement of the Illinois the Tennessee this year
That sum, and five times much, might easily be ex
pended upon it. One-ffth part OF il might improve the
somewhat Who says tina, that is the proper
amount
The honorable says that Congress have right
to make any appropriation. Most assuredly. Nobody
doubts that Congress have right to appropriate Tor any
proper object But when such amounts proposed, we
have right to send 10 the department Tor their views,
and 10 ask them for the estimate OF the probable ex
pense with view 10 ascertain how far the appoprla-
ton will 60 But will not enter further into II. Where
and estimates wanting IN any instance, shall
against it for own that it is the first in
which the government has ever appropriated without
Inmates.
Mr. CHASE. hold in my hand the report of the De.
parment Of War in regard to these several Items, and
wish 10 read paragraph IN H. II is known that tins bill
originally reported in the other House and II then
included these very appropriations which
proposed TO be stricken out In regard TO these Items,
Col Albert, OF the bureau OF typographical engineers,
in his report 10 Congress, says:
These old and wel-known subjects, and of
sive national interest The amounts IN the bin suii
cient for the present fiscal year
Now, sir. do not know what's meant by a technical
estimate and money but when find tina, department
recognises these works well known and of national
interest," and says that the amounts proposed sufficient
for the present fiscal year, it sufficient for me shall
Mr. ATCHISoN. Do understand the senator from
Ohio 10 say that Col Albert ases that language in refer
cnce 10 the Tennessee and Illinois rivers
MIR. CHASE. will answer the senator The para
graph relates TO the improvement OF the Ohio below
the falls at Louisville and The Missouri and Arkansas
and the Illinois and Tennessee rivers The pas
sage which quoted refers TO lines i2 la, i4S and 1850
OF the bill Line l4s is the line considering |
suppose. therefore that these two rivers were directly in
the mind OF Col Albert when he made that report
Mr. CASS, lin his seat) II is an entire mistake,
Mr. HAML.lN. beg leave 10 correct the error into
which the senator has very naturally fallen IN this par
sent to the Typographical department. IL the
House bill which sent TO The Typographical depart.
ment, and upon which this report is based. After the
House bill had returned from the bureau 10 the House
amendment adopted In the House inserting these
two rivers Consequently he referred 10 the Missouri and
Arkansas rivers; aud the senator IRON Ohio IS mistaken
in supposing he referred TO the Illinois and Tennessee
rivers.
Mr.. ATCHlSON II seems then, that the senator
from Michigan right. Now, desire TO ask a ques.
ton OF the senator from Massachusetts who is one of
the members OF the Committee on Commerce, and who
seems 10 have made himself acquainted with this whole
subject In what manner is IL proposed to improve the
illinois and Tennessee rivers BY putting in dams 10
benefit the navigation at slsckwater OF BY removing
snags from the shoals of these rivers Or in what way
$50, 900 TO he expended IN the Improvement
MIR. DAVIS, of Massachusetts. | will answer the
gentleman according 10 the best OF my information /
believe, IN all where there is work proposed 10
be improved II the surveys already made entirely
satisfactory 10 the government, and the plan fixed IN
which the money s 10 be appropriated, the FIRST thing
be done "a 10 make survey and 10 decide upon The best
plan OF Improvement Tha, is the process
Mr.. ATCHlSON. Then The senator from Michigan is
enureiy night We are making appropriation IN the
dark, without the least shadow OF information upon H.
We DO not know officially whether any Improvement can
be made
Mr.. CLEMENS. Win the senator from Missouri al.
low me 10 make statement A proyiso has been
adopted the Senate which confines appropriation for
the Tennessee river between two points-Chattanooga
in the Stale of Tennessee and Decatur in he Stale of
Alabama is about bali in the State of Tennes-
and half IN The State OF Alabama II so happens
that know pretty nearly every rock the whole
between those two points There two sandy shoals
which in low water be easily removed but they
obs,rucons to navigation do not think, IN toe whole
distance from Chattanooga Decatur II will be necessary
to blow single rock. II has gravel and sandy ioun
dalton, and the longest distractions TO navigation do not
exceed two hundred yards IN length II these are re-