The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1851-10-24
The Surrender OF tho Mexican Captlvss ~
the Apacho Indiana.


tho Apache Indians.
INTERVIEW BETWEEN COMMISSIONER BARTLErr
AND THE APACHE caIRFs
FROM the Washington Republic, Oct Y
We have been permitted to copy, from Docs
mens received at the Departm ent of the Interior,
the folio wing " arguments between J. X. Bart
John g. Ceremony, interpreter, with the chiefs of
the Apaches, conserving the two Mexican captive
boys taken from them II July last, namely =
Mangus ColOradO.-Why did you take our cap.
tives from us!
Commissioner captives came to US, and
demanded our protection.
Mangus Colorado You came to our country.
You were well received by US. Your lives, your
property, your animals, were safe. You passed
by ones by twos, and by threes, through our coun-
try ysu went and came safe. Your strayed ami
mails We're always brought home to you again.
and visited your houses. We were friends We
were brothers Believing this, we came anon yst
you, and brought our captives, relying on it that
we were brothers, and that you would feel
feel. We concealed nothing, We came not here
secretly in the night. We came in open day,
and before your faces and We showed our captives
to you. We believed your assur ances of friend
ship, and we trusted them. Why did you take
our captives from US!
Commissioner. What we have said to you is true
and reliable. We do net tell lies. The greatness
and dignity OF our nation forbids our doing mean
a thing What our great brother has said is true,
and good also. / will now tell him why we took
his captives from him. Four years ago We, too,
ehes make distinction between Chihuahua and
Sonora. They are at peace with Chihuahua, but
always lighting against Sonora. We in our war did
not make that distinction. The Mexicans, whether
living in the other State, are all one nation
and We fought them a nation Well, when the
war was over, in which We conquered, made
peace with them: They are now our friends, and
by the terms of the peace we are bound to protect
them. We told you this when we came to this
place, and we requested you to cease your HOSTILE
ties against Mexico. Well. time passed, and we
hipy
came in here with your captives Who were these
captives! Mexicsns-ths very people we told you
We were bound to protect. We took them from
you, and sent them to General Garcia Condo, who
will set them at liberty in their own country We
mean to show you that we cannot lie. We pro-
missed protection to the Mexcans, and we gave it
to them; Wepromise friendship and protection to
you, and We will give it to you. five had not done
so to Mexico, yen could not have believed US with
regard to yourselves. We cannot lie
Ponce Yes, but you took our captives from us
rant of this promise to restore captives They
made prisoners in lawful warfare. They belong to
u.s. They are our property. Our people have also
been made captves by the Mexicans. If we had
known of this thing, we should not have come here.
We should not have placed that confidence in you
Commissioner. Our brother speaks angrily, and
without due reflection. Boys and women lose
their temper, but men reflect and argue and he
who has reason and justice on his side wins |
have no doubt but that you have suffered much by
the Mexicans This is question in which it is i'm
possible Tor US to tell who right who is wrong
You and the Mexicans accuse ca Oh other of being
the aggressors Our duty is to fulfil our promise to
both. This opportunity enables US to show to
Mexico that we mean what we say; and, when the
time comes, We will be ready and prompt to prove
the good faith of our promises to you.
Ponce am neither a boy nor a squaw. an
a man and a brave. / speak with reflection. l
kntw what say. i speak of the wrongs we have
suffered and those you now do US. Very much
excited) You must not speak any more Let
some one else speak, (addressing Mr.. CEREMONY, the
Commissioner i want you to understand that
am the very one to speak, the only one here who
can speak (peremptorily.) Now do yeu sit down
| will hold no more talk with you, but will select
a man, (beckoning to Dalgadto) Do you come
here and speak for your nation
Dalgadito.-Let my brother declare the mind of
his people.
Commissioner-I wish to explain to our Apache
thing, and what We can do for the master Of these
captives. We know that you have not done this
thing secretly or in the dark You came rs braves,
in open day, and brought your captves amongst US.
We are obliged to obey the orders of our great
chief in Washington as much as you warriors arc
obliged to obey your commanders. The great chief
OF our nation says" You must take all Mexican
captives that on meet among the Apaches, and set
them at liberty" Now this, you must know we
cannot disobey. For this reason we have taken
Jour captives from you.
Dalgsdito We do not doubt the word of our
brave white brethren. The Americans are braves
We know it; and We believe a brave scorns to lie
But the owner Of these captves is poor man; he
cannot lose his csptives, who were obtained at the
risk efhs life and pure ssed by the blood of his
relatives He justly demands his captves. We are
his friends and relatives, and We wish to see this
demand complied with 1t just, and as justice we
demand it,
Commissioner-I will now tell my Apache
brethren what can be done for them. The captiyes
cannot be restored. The Commissioner cannot buy
them, neither can any American buy them; but
there Is here IN our employ a Mexican, who is
a VI IN hnu hen .xaI sl.s.
homes. We have no objection that this Mexican
should do so; and If he is not rich enough some of
US will lend him the means to do SO with.
Dalgsdito-The owner does not wish t, cell; he
Commssionsr.-Ih have already told my brother
that this cannot be, speak not with two tongues
Make up your minds.
Dalgadto.-The owner wants twenty horses for
Commissioner The Apache laughs at his white
brother He thinks him squaw, and that he can
play with him as With an arrow! Let the Apache
cay again.
Dalgadito The brave who own these captives
does not wish to sell He has had one of those (two)
boys six years He grew up under him. His heart
strings are bound around him He is q son to his
old age. He speaks our language, and he cannot |
sell him. Money cannot buy affection. His heart |
cannot be sold. He taught him to string and shoot
the bow, and to WELD the lance He loves the boy,
Commissioner.-W are sorry that this thing
should be. We feel for our Apache brother, and |
would like TO tighten his heart. But it is not our
fault. Our brother has fixed his affection on the
child Of his enemy. 1t is very noble. But our duty
lie stern. We cannot avoid it. Ii wounds our hearts
to hurt our friends but lift our own children,
and duty and the law said, art with them " part
with them we should. Let our Apache brother re-
feet, and name his price
Dalgadito What will you give
Commissioner: If my brethren will come with |
me will show them.
Here the council dissolved and repaired to the |
commssary's stores, attended by the Mexican pur-
chaser, where goods to the amount Of two hundred |
and fifty dollars laid out which they accepted
and the bushes concluded.
The LATE STORM AT PRINCE EDWARDS ISLAND
The Prince Ed,rards kiander, of the 18th inst
speaking of the late gale at that place, says -
" The disastrous 3D. Of October, 1851, will long be
reme ne bered in the annals of Prince Edward Island