Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-07-22
substitute for the eighth section prop osedbs Mr. GccD

substitute Tor the eighth section prop oed b, Mr. Geo.
1t was agreed to-
r The ninth section was then, read as follows:
Each house OF the general assembly shall keep Jour
nal Of its proceedings which shall bc Published from tim,
: 10 time.
Mir, JACOB Before We proceed any further
would Suggest amendment that think ought la be
adopted somewhere, and do know why his place
Is not Il, goo,i any. | have been long satisfied
That The organization Of thcr house Of tic ASSEMBLY
alter the second trial ought not IL fail for want Of ma,
":!t. Of the whole vote. bu! shat plurality a;
nc sufficient We all know that in The legislature, o!
o;her States, and i'll the congress nj The United States
much deiny, resulting III the prcEdcing OF the public
business, has been cccasoncd by failure 10 obtain the
majority OF The whole vote in favor of any for
Ole 81 lis officers. speaker for example Vow car:
no reason why, after the second third trial plurality
should mol DC sufficient, the public interest w2;t
undoubtedly he promoted BY it, TIKI effect of reql;rin.
majority vote, Is that when there : third party III the
body one Of your little "lslns with corporal g;i:
Or ocr small number OF persons, is able 10 cucrcc Il
The great parties Of the body very frequently inn Tic
cE!"re oil some ono that is no. acceptable 10 them
an disposed 10 IA: il out Of the power of this little third
party 10 do ;Ii. and think that either house ought to
=" capable OF ccstng lis officers without being
compelled 10 coEciiaic the third party by change in
their desired action and know OF means TO accom-.
Pih that object except by such as have ndi
Gated III my amendment
Mr. GOJDE ! would suggest TO the gent emau thai
the election n officers is provided for by the sixth SEE.
ton, which would DC the most appropriate ace !or
Til, amendment.
Mr. JACOB. I viii then reserve my motion 10
amend hi some iutue period, when IL will b: more ap
ProrriaLe
Mr. COODE. I move TO aliend The uinll section b,
adding TO The end Tie following words
"And one tenth part Of il!c mcni,crs present Shall
have !gt |" require that The vote any question b..
taken - the yeas and nays and entered upon the journal
Mr. GOOpE II has been suggested to me that il
would he better 10 modify my amendment, 80 as 10 per
nit scTen of the members Of the house three OF The
Senate TO call tor the yeas and nays. thus giving som.
definite number who 5al! have the power Of recurring
the vote 10 hs taken by HE yea, and nays.
Mr. ANDERSON move 70 amend the amendment
By strk!:, ot 'Scren and ing "tcn and By sri-
kim, ou ''lhrca' and inserting .':v"''
/ Mr.. SitAnT. of Patrick. ! cannot for tie life Of
NE -. ;c prorretT i'll introducing. matter like tbs
mo ,c Constitution Surely each house has Il right IL
control lie rules which shall govern it, We might L.,
wcli nlrcd!c1 crcry rule % the senate aud house Of
delegate" Into the Constitution lca.!o SEE any pro-
prle's Ia !, AHA =iI.I. therefore against boil. The
ALI, rd:-nts.
! Mr. FERGUSON. | SEE thai the lIary.rd Cua7ef-
ton has nLwl-:y as seems TO me- provided at Inc
ea= ai ii'n shat. jr taken every bill at pa.sc,
either il1isr. Nu?r siiG':1d for pr.,tO,iiiul
u 49, 'rt IL take tic yeas and nays cfn"y bill il
Pc. CT Gn:mportant, hu' ] think that IT,, ,iaac;
nmhc. we TX, ought have right al al ,.i.s 10
record Heir the icGrna! by the yeas ar Gays
The rules :" the hoas" ol delegates require IL.
uUulc" "i seven memheG-, ard hat r;c i.as awa,s
been ngac:rc! I'll. hope the aInrnhmca: vii rot ;.c
| modified
Mr.. ANDERSON wish Il sugscs, 20 Inc commit.
ice, that it is proposed 10 enlarge the house Of dc..
egacs TO hundred ai fifty members. and r:. Lag
about Tie proportion To L;!rcd aid i;.y tia,
seven IL one hundred and thiTtyilsc.
! The question was i!cn :akcn ga the amendment L.
he Amendment, and II Wa lot greed to- AYES -,
noes A..
The question thcr occurred on the amcndmca Of The
gentlemen from Mcckcnburg (Mr ,ioonr:l Of. 4 count
pct:!S hd'!. there vert aye, III nCca lCN" quorum
voting
Ih" CHAIR. 1t is "ery cyilon. from The proceeding
vote ,I.at there is quorum present
Dir R!Ak>. BY taking the vote o"cr again t!ink
i!a; shall ascertain thai there is G'~, prc>e
The CHAIR. The Char viii lake the quest ION over
again and hopes every menbcr present sill vote
/ Mr.. Sl!Gil oi hanaw IN. am opposed 10 Ibis
ancn,!e not becat!sc object 20 The principle ci Il
D; w arc here 10 fora Constitution, and not laws
for lie house OF assembly expect the next PROPOSE
lion will ic 10 provide how many door-kccpcrs there
shall hc. These matters ought not properly to be inserted
III The Constitution. We shall make revised code Of this
Constitution before sc have .lomc with it. | object To
the amendment on that ground and no orr.
| ". BDTTS Ii seems 10 me
/ Nr. TAYLOR. rise 10 point Of order. The
question is whether there is a quorum.
lir. BDl"iS There is no s!ck question raised.
Mr. TAYLOR. res there is ra;sr it.
The CHAIR. the Char will remind the gent, man
til. %orsr!k that arc rev in committee Of tic
whole He c on this subject is, whenever there ap-
peal: % Be quorum, il Is the duty Of The committee
IL rise and report the fact 10 the house. The Chair feel
Ing confident that there was najorlty present. yielded
TO the suggestion Of the gentleman from Madison, TO
take l;c vote again III the gentleman insists
his point Of order, as he has right do the Commit
TIE must rise ADD report to the hols hat they with
. out Quorum.
iIr. TAYLOR. | wish 10 asccrtain if there is Il
quorum Present.
The CHAIR. The question is nos TO ascertain whcth-
or there is quorum.
Mr.. TAYLOR And desire to have that question
taken.
The CHAIR That would pr.cl,!e further discus
sion the subject Does the gentleman rise to that
point Of order:
Mr. TAYLOR Tlm. was my idea. Tie question
having been taken. debate was ROT in order.
The CHAIR Il the member raises that point, the
CHER will be PEELED 10 decide it;
! Mr. TATLO". Well that is mv point.
The CHAIR The Chair decides that il is mol in or.
der discus, III. subject further, the question having
boon lakcn.
Tie question being again been taken on the amend
ment and count being hGd, there ayes A., noes
o.
! 50 the amendment agreed. 70.
Mr. SLOAN. | rise TO call the attention If tlrr
committee the twelfth section, il regard ;olhe pow
or of the cgsature. In the lour,, and fifth lines
rird this provision Nor any law whereby any private
propcry shalt he taken for public Uses without just
| compcn-aton.
Tie CHAIR. The Clair will remind the gentleman
thar that section j. not yet reached
A.r Blue. Wilt be in order now 10 oler an amend
men. to the eighth secton
The CllATE. Not without leave, the section having
been passed
! Mr. BLUE. was preparing an amendment 10 TINT
section when the vote taken OH inserting the prop
a,it;on Of the gentleman from Meckenburg giving
current jurisdiction to both houses. am opposed c
the senate having The power TO originate taxbill:.
The CHAIR. Tha: question mas been already dcci-
ded Dy tic Committee.
NJ BLUE The proposition wish to submit reads:
AM bill Eay originate in either branch of te lesi
Iuture except bill ir laying taxes 10 deiray the
ccssarr expenses r the government "f III" common
wcu'lh.'
The CHAIR. Tie Chair will bound to entertain the
lnoin a,L"nd if the gentleman desires. The ques-
ton of consistency il is FIR The mouse 10 decide 10: the
Chair The ar,cn'inle,t is i'll orde: if lie gentleman
desires To 2ras"ntit.
Nj Taylor. l object going back to section
wi,i already passed BY. 10 not see hoy We
arc e"c: to get with tie business Of the committee
if We y r:. that ii gentlemen arc net abe To
prepare /! Ell amendments 1T the opcf time they cn:l
o.ier ii III when get through with Tie report. do
not desire 10 be dSCuu;cous TO any gcnf'l2a Gt We
shall never get ,..ougl the business OF III" committee
r go back 20 propositions which have been a!reaa
considered and act ! upon.
hi, mad, an.