Richmond daily times. [volume] (Richmond [Va.]) 1850-1853, 1851-05-10
osition which would be the death kne to the mixed

position which would be the death kne to the liked
basis. ~ INV "'''e'
Mr. ANDERSON and Mr. BEAIE both said they must
De allowed 10 Judge OF the interests of their constituents
Mr WISE argued that if the mixed basis was adopt-
cd, rolling would be continued and the lowands
| continue to be depressed.
Mr. MARTIN of Marshall said he should vote for car.
rying out July any principle of representation that
might be adopted He could not see why the fact that
,iuoers We're congregated in city, should deprive
o, tnelf power and the same in regard to wealth.
CohStltutlonal provisions might be adopted and he
would vote Tor hem in any event, to carry out import.
tons. - '' "pp'op''"
Mr.. CLAIBORNE said he had pledged himself tn bs
constituents that he would not vote give Richmond
more than three delegates If he could moi do better
ne would accept proposition A, which gives Richmond
Jour But he demanded the reason why this was mot
the proper place to determine the question of resrjc
ton. ~ ~
MI JACOB could not see that the question ofimprove
ment had anything to do with this question: He shonld
vote Tor giving the cities their full representation on
any basis The people 10 the owns were as capabe Of
dlschargng Their duties as citizens the people OF the
country. But he admitted shat when town reached
| the magnitude OF New York, Philadelphia or Boston
the dense mass OF peope collected in a small SPACE
might become dangerous TO the country He thought
it would be long time before the cities of Viro;n;a
he'd the number he considered dangerous and be-
fore that time he predicted the mixed basis would be
abolished. He stated that gave Wheeling one dele
gate less than she ought have by the mixed basis and
it made him feel uncomfortable.
MIR CARLILE approved OF the amendment of Mr.
Calborne and should vote for it. He said the mixed
basis would give Richmond four delegates for every one
the white basis would give her.
Mr. FERGUSON asked Mr.. c. if he was no. mista-
ken.
Mr. CAR1lE spoke of future time. If the cities I'M
proved as he hoped they would he believed thew would
have four delegates by the mixed basis 10 one by the
white
Mr. ARMSTRONG commented upon the fact that A
gives Chesterfield 2.deegaes and Henrco only l. and
Richmond 4 Chesterfield having only little more
white population than Henrlco, and Henlico paving a
little more tax. Tie supposed gentlemen knew more
about their own interest than he did, and as lhey were
tor restricting their representation he would aid
them.
Mr. DAVIS said the representatives OF the METROPOLITAN
district had had an embarrassing duty to perform Gen.
tlemen from distance had shown so much interest n
the representation of Richmond that really it would
seem as if it should be placed entirely under their ma
nagement and control He called attention to the fact
that five Of the delegates had steadily voted Tor the pro-
position OF Mr. Scott OF F. which makes no restriction
upon the cities.
Mr. ,ScoTT, Of Richmond, wanted all amendments
voted down. and proposition to be adopted unalter-
ed Then he would refer The apportionment to a com.
mee. He remarked that the white basis gave Rich.
mond and Henrco only delegates, whilst gives them
Mr.. WALLACE should vote against both amendments
asbeng only intended to embarrass A. which he should
go tor adopting throughout.
Mr. boTTs said his amendment was merely intended
to counteract the proposition of Mr. Claiborne: other
wise he should not have offered it.
MIR. claiborne understood the vote to strike out A
equNdieHt " IT'S auOpUOn ana dlSclamed purpose
to ebarrass A, or even the Richmond delegation He
was for reporting to the House. whatever should he
the tate OF his amendment.
, Mr.; ANDERSON explained his particular position He
thought ne held the lever on this question of improve
ment rather than Mr.. Wise. What section he asked
would become entitled to the extra delegates Of which
the cities were deprived? Why they would be given to
the large slavehodng counties in the East. and Tins
increase the influence OF the anti-mprovement party
The effect OF the restriction would be to leave the West
where was, without it. and to increase the strength OF
fhn ontI. IDnro nn,ar liotr,o & 1T. ~
Mr.. FERGUSON. That's not the proposition
Mr.. ANDERSON. The gentleman need not EXPECT to
escape by that pretex All know that the result must
be as he had stated. On the question of expediencv
Mr. A. insisted that there more chance that five or
six Idewater delegates would vote for the he basis
it they could not get the restriction, than that the city
dele gates would go tor 1t, It it should be imposed.
Mr.. STANARD said Mr.. Ferguson proposed to impose
a resrlcuon upon the cities, notwithstanding their
amount OF white population might entte them, on the
white basis to larger representation. Those who act
ed with Mr. r., therefore, advocated the restriction only
as penalty upon the cities tor sustaining the white
basis. He appealed to Mr. Claiborne not to press his
proposition at this time, as it must bring fresh dis
cussion Let us determine first the principle OF repre-
sentatinn, and afterwards decide upon the details and
this question OF restriction among Others
Mr.. WISE congratulated Mr.. Stanard mon recainino
his accustomed air. and being able speak OF his hopes
Lately he was on the sick list but he seemed to be
himself ferhaps another dig at the voters OF Rich
mond would put him on the sick list again.
Mr. STANARD said it true he had been sick but he
had never been sad. He had ever had an abiding con-
fdence that the people of Richmond would prove ihem
selves faithful to the principles they protested when their
delegates were elected
Some friendly passages occurred between the two
gentlemen for which We must refer to the Supple.
ment.
Mr.. KNorE did not know that it was his dutv to
take any part in building government which he So
much disapproved as with the mixed basis Rut
he should vote Tor the amendment of MIR. Bolts lie
preferred that II he power was Justly drawn to the
East by the wealth of the cities, it ought to 90 to them
He could see no justice expedency in distributing
their surplus representation to the rural districts of the
East, which removed from the lines of improves
ment
Mr.. FERGUSON said Mr.. Claborne's proposition
would not distribute the extra representation of the
cities amongst the Eastern counties It only estab-
ished the principle that cities and towns should be re-
srcted.
Mr. KNoTE did not so understand it,
Mr.. RIvEs said il it was The design of the oppo-
nenls OF the mixed basis to vote for this resolution as
the means OF defeating proposition A. it would be the
duty of the friends of A, who were for the restriction
upon cities, to vote against the restriction. But with
out certain knowledge OF this fact, he should have to
vote for the restriction which, in ITSELF he approved
Mr. Wise said, for himself, he preferred that PROPOSE
ton should be reported without the restricion for it
would then be most Objectionable to the body
Mr.. SNowEEN was tempted to follow the rule that |
seemed to be adopted that one delegate having spoken
all the rest from the district should follow suit But
on the subject OF speaking about the basis, he had
corded an oath His constituents knew what he meant
to do.
Mr.. TAYLOR expressed his satisfaction that the propo-
siton had been offered because it had broken the Sec
TONS He said he should against the restriction
but also against the amendment of Mr. Bolts, as he
thought best take simply on the question of
restriction
Mr.. WILEY declared that the position taken by the
city of Richmond had forever separated the friends of
the West from her interests He and others from the
North West were perfectly neutral in this matter, and
should guide their votes with reference the great in
terests the State. They and the South West belle.
we'd that they identified with the Tide, and oughtts
build up cities there; whether Richmond would secure
the "drppings of the trade, time ould develop He
should for the restriction because wealth was DOW
er. and whenever concentrated was more dangerous
Mr.. w. made very hot remarks upon the degra-
dation which the mixed basis would fix upon his people
He asked gentlemen to pause before they committed
this wrong
Mr. IETcuFR should vote for Mr. Rotts, nronoo;t;on |