The New York herald., 1851-11-20

my when you speak 70 you speak 20 Hungary
With these opinions can desire nothing more th:n
Tor the Independence Of Hungary and the independence
of Italy. Hear As for tbs rest Ser Hungary,
have declared publicly that believe my people share NY
that the future organization Of country
provided circumstances beyond the reach Of DO net
Intervene rest on republican basic Thatis my
the repeated aehoods Of the house Of Kspsbars been
completely destroyed Hear hear know that it is
not SO much the form Of government that makes the
of the governors (iiesr hear Therefore no govern
msnt can De goo1 wherein people have not fan conh-
In s 4. and w s ss 4. to
Italy, although ] am not unasqusinted with the aim
Of the Italian nation as resumed 10 tbs person OF
Mazzin still, as stand here 20 claim tha sovereign
right Of every nation choose it's organisation
and will not permit any foreign nation to inter
fere with the internal affairs c Italy where people
tain power by obtaining Independence let them alse
their affairs and then II they &c net, when masters
of their fate DO what best for the tsppile, Of nation
then say that nation does deserve happy
eai) Therefore mix not with the internal affairs OF
ar we must in brotherhood to throw Of the enemy
Of our mutual independence, and 70 dispose eash OF
our home affairs, in an independent position Acting
on that basis declare that I will do everything
possible to accomplish such unity in action with the
italian Dation; and believe, that in saying So
speaking the sentiments Of my whole nation For the
rest, believe ths. Italy viii feel the duty of not
hurting The sovereign right Of Hungary to dis
pose Of itself and ], on my part, give the sssu-
home questions OF tie Itslsns This much say for the
harmony OF the two nations, that 1t ie happy circum
stance that there in neither country party for
tain Partic doctrines which considered by
as inconsistent with the security Of property. We have
nothing to &c with these doctrines because they not
necessary for us Take Hungary. which chiefly an agr
cultural country large portion Of the pc pls Of Huo-
gary have already by the past struggle acquired property
in ths soil Those who hsve scquTsa property have OF
wish but 20 get freedom for their labor de-
yelopenen: fo- their resources, and cheap govern
ment, security for person aud property and poiiti
welfare. (Hear.) Another portion of the Hurga-
rian people have not Yet acquired landed property,
lands which Will give also basis foT financial opera
ons with q course security for any loans should
Hungary Iced them than the prospect. of the House Of
HsPsourg. Hesr,n and laughter) In word, we have
public lands 10 very large aud my belief that
they should be distributed among the people
yernments all over the world make the wors. agrcultu
ris;s manufacturers or traders. Hear, hear There
fore think that the best plan s when the government
hss large quantity OF land to divide it in small por
tons and give IL to the people The very taxes which
these people, Industrious and prosperous will pay into
The treasury, will produce much more than the proi of
the lands II held by the government Hear hear who
was First Lord Of the Treasury in Hungary speak from
experience and had not war come on i would have
distributed the lands to the people aud convinced
that the public revenue would have been raised to
higher amount than had they remained in own
hands, because governments have always been bad
traders (Hear. hear.) Now, by these conditions,
which could be united with financial operations, giving
thirty forty acres to each man. united with such
q banking system would enable him to pay off the
price Of his land In thirty or forty years in small sums
not to keep up large armies but to build railways and
open up free communications throughout the realm.
Hear and cheers There is small portion Of Hungary
in which the pie manufacturing than agri-
cultural We have not any great factories but rather
small system Of private industries Something like the
way in which am in formed Birmip CHAM differs from
Manchester In the latter there great factories,
employing each their thousands Of men while in Br-
lningham all small masters Now such men want
theorists theories the distribution of labor
and capital They work each in independent position
and only want political freedom to enable them to
60 on Such being the state Of Hungary the larger por
on Of the people being proprieors of the so- bepg
consequence Of the past revolution that the whole agri
cultural Glasses have become free propretors Of the soil
and there being large State lands which, united with
good banking system, by which payment would be
facilitated would have distributed among the people;
and manufacturing industry not being found in large
factories where the question Of the relations Of labor
ard capital have to be discussed but being a small
scale carried On by private parties there is occasion
for those doctrines which termed socialism
communism, neither Of which, confess do very well
nderstsnd. Cheers and lsughter) I have read the
works have consulted the professors and from no
two can get similar definition; and therefore do
not understand the words Cheers There is OF
that clesrne about these doctrines that there is about
the doetrne which gives TO every the faculty Of
doing what is right for himself without any arbitrary
Hear, hear, hear) But whatever distinctions there
may be in these socialist doctTipes there Is occa-
st for them in Hungary and Ns am informed the
Is the in Italy and therefore there Is full
scoIe for that harmony In design and aim which
slider to be very beneficial for both countries Hear
hear Now TO end my long confidential and familiar
was not prepared to make a speech--I
will aude TO what you suggeet the best OF car
rying cut our common aim whsther shoud have two
associations working In parallel lines for Hungary
and one for Italy-or that both should melt into one
Seeing that your sentiments and mine are Identical you
will excuse me " make remark IL Ia this-Feeling
myself to represent the true interests OF Hungary and
that MszZini represents the sentiments asd views Of
Italy, think | had better consult him about
this question Of fusion Of the two sections, and
after that con,ultation will fairly state my wishes
and my hopes Hear, hear) For that purpose,
s~er TO your sd,ie. in which written answer vii, :.
90 bold frankly to state what wish and what hope
whether your society should take up the Of the
raj OF the friends Of freedom all the continent
whether the other hand retaining your present
constitution should ask you to give brothers hand
to anew association which may yet be founded (ear,
hear) And now let me, out OF the very heart OF my
heart thank you for your kind attention; and 1t is
happy moment u my life 70 many generous men
holding sentiments which cannot but feel must be
beneficial 70 the oppressed nations which look up 70 Eng
land az to happy elder brother, who net only happy
himself but happy In bis resolution 70 give helping
hand 20 mis- brethren who oppressed (Cheers)
The dsputation took their leave.
After this speech, NJ. Kossuth had an interview
with Mazlini. The following letter from Mazziai
was read by the chairman OF the meeting
LETTER FROM MAZLINI.
sR-lour kind invitation reached very late on
Saturday and regret that both previous engagements
and ether merely personal motives will prevent
avsrg mys. OF Il; but In heart soul aud wishes am
With you and with all those sdvocate tn. principles
contained in your sddfess 10 kossuth that the bro
therhood of the people rest the hopes Of civilization and
the nee developemert of mans noblest faculties.
truly holy alliance Of the nations the basis Of
aud equality, for the moral. intellectual and physical
progress of mankind has been the foremost thought Of
all that have during twenty-five YEAR,. .psk.u writ
ten, doL. and endeavored Let that Orsmcs; thouxht
live ard act through all your manifestation God and
the people Truth and right will help you on your way
on which the bssspg and riendship sf all nov bleeding
and struggling rations viii welcome the Enxsh nation
- N. thanks
yours. JOSEPH MAZLINT
INTENDED DEFARTtRE or KOssUTH
be following communication has been received
by The American Consul at Southampton
20 E,roS PLsoF. oct %, 1851
Ny Desr sirT have seen the telegraph dsspateh al.
irsssed you osterdsy % Lord Dudley stuart write
. ssy that will certainly to New 1cr On board
he ashrg gton " yCu can make srraBssmeIts for that
hip g. sail nom Southampton the I4.h Of Novemoer
10 ~ in tue afternoon. am my lear your. truly
CFosEtY lea T. KOssJru
The Mayors Of Msa,hcster and two or three other
laces, have refused 70 call meetings for the rocsp.
ion Of hossuth Societies. however had iatar-