Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1851-06-27


consrsinng bin, 20 come under crcr instances
not agreeable to him and submit his cassto
" uodef crcalstances in which he was mot Wiling 70
It, confess tlst Twas surprised to hear the ~
- s'hatim fromthe gentleman from Acc6nas that tnz
from Louaoun should submit his pron sitiou
ano ahow 1t to be passed upon uow on the question "a
Mr, JACOB" wish to know whether tie gentleman
desires the committee to rise -. -.
Mr. GOODE The proper blace "a tro.o,. II. nro~>o,
ston Is inthe house where the oentlenon b,s p+;rs
ted bis determination 10 offer it lor the nrosa of h.y
ing it printed 1t isnow cock andI move that m.
: COMM tee rise p" lI' /, l.a..-
Mr.. CLAIBORNE Il desire to AJAX the ch,Ir h.,o~.
the question Id put whether the same rules Of ord.
exist IN committee OF the whole which exist Id IL.
house, e., >. l.. .-.'..-.. = =
i The CHAIR. There are some rulez in The houss
which do tapply to the committee Of the whole
Ar CLAIBORNE. Well want to know whether
1t ID IN order to make speeches without making them
upon aiy pTopoatioal -
The CHAIR. The chair believes it is the cuaom hsrs
/ Laughter 'lI'5.
Dir sCoGGlN. call for the yeas and nay, upon tas
motion that the committee rise 80.
The yeasi and;navs were ordered
The question being taken there were yeas S. na,x
4 So as foows:. ~ 49,:
AY-s--Alessrs Arthur Banks, Barbour, Bocock Bott,
Bowles, brax'on, BGrges, chamblis, Cooke, Davis.
N. R. II. Garrett, Goodr, Hall, Hopkins, Janney Jas
per. -JoEes, Lcake, Lyon, Lynch Lyons McCaDdIish
Mason Meredith Morris, Petty, Ridley, Ryes. Saun.
ders. Scoggin Scott Of Caroline, Scott Of Fauquier
Scott Richmond city. Shell, Smith Of Norfolk coun
t., SnoTGen Souhail stanard. St c:hef Taylor Tuni.
furnbuai, Wallace Watts Of Norfolk county, Whittle
| and Wingfeld-53 ="
NoEs- Mrssrs. Armstrong Bland Blue, Bowdea,
camden Garlic, Carter Of Russell Carter OF Loundon
Chapman. Chiffon Claiborne, Dcneale Faulkner Far
siison, Fisher, Floyd Fulkerson, Fultz Hays, Hose,
Jacob Johnson, kennoy kilgore, knoe Letchcr Lion
berger, Lucas, NcC anant. McComas, Martin Of Mar
shall Martin OF Henry; Miller, Moore. Murphy, Neo-
son, Newman, Randolph, Seymour, Sheiiey, Sloan,
Smith Of kaaNha Smith Of Jackson, Smith of Green-
hier. Snodgrass Stephenson, Stewart Of Morgan Stuart
OF Patrick. Summers, Tate, Trgg, YIN Winke, White.
Wiley, and Williams Of Sl!cnaiGoak-65.
So the'n,eou Was decided ia The negative
Mr FLOOD renewed the motion that the committed
I Mr. CLAIBORNE I now desire the question to bs
decided whether motion can be made for the commit.
Lee TO rise immediately after thu Fae motion has been
voted down. without any tlin; having tram pred do.
ny that sucha mo,ionis il ORDER and if the chair de-
cdes that it is in order, appeal from that decision
The CHAIR. The chai. decides now, as he has b.
fore decided ha: motion 10 rise can be made at m,
time. Groa;his decision the gentleman from Prsnln
/ tl!r. CahBoRSEj appeals. '..'
Mr. WISE. ask the chair with grea: respect to r..
consider that decision. would say TO the chair that
.iuud Very much regret - vote against his decision
and yet If ae nppealis akci shall DC compelled TO
DO lido not think inte course of my whole parla.
.cturv life before difference OF opinion
upon this point Before motion 10 rise can be again
put some business Of some Sort Eiust be done II for
tie reason that if t!s were NO; tie rule, buspesx
might se prevented altogether by Tie repetition of th.
motion. .''' -.
! Tic CHAIR The chair understands The motion for,
the committee TO rise and motion adjourn b. al
ways in order. .f.a. W..
Sir. JhSNEY. l wish 10 say but one word by v.y
Of appeal TO my friend from Appomat,;x, (Mr FLoop3
! To w!tadtlw NJ !loqn TO rise. / regret exceeding
! j. that 1t should have been renewed after it WA
oEciru!tii the first tGe i. was done by no desire
o zine bat agalns. my approbst .on.. would never
have made any l:ptlvn for tbs Committee to rise
u' FOR :lc ai.css OF tue hour, it being half IN hour
ater Wien m3 lie motion han any hour of adjourn.
ment for moath psi. | ruot that the motion will
rot be renewed by any che. ... ,g.., ....
Mr.. CLAIBORNE. 1.-the motion to rise is with.
Ir.wn, will oi course vi hdraw my appeal But II
il; IS not shall persist III my appeal from the decision
of the Chair, for wish 10 klSe this matter decided
feei confident that nm in he right in this mat
The CHAIR The Chair has no rniue confidence IN
his opinion, and will abide the decision Of the com
ui.tee. LID. 49,. ''.
! Alr. BANKS. Is it. competent tn mako a motion
THAT the Committee rise uail hGfpast seren o'clock
.tpis evening: :.'
The CHAIR. That is not order /. is competent to
entertain motions ;or in the Con7 ention only
T. Mr.. MASON. The 4.nston before us is Of some in.
tercti general rue, and rise 10 unite In the re-
BI,l
the geuou2u wio made the motion for the committee
tu rAe that he withdraw that motion. I ask the in
dul@enco OF the Committee TO state and do it with
the Utmost derreucc To Tie opinion Of the Chair that
the motion risc in the Committee Of the Whole is anal
o,o,is to mot ou deurn in the House You have
rule thata decision Of the House made shall stand
the Judgment vi the House, but that rule il necessa-
yy subject modification i'll regard 10 those continuous
motion, which must Of necessity rise during the sitting
VI the Committee the House The motion to rise in The
a.
long 20 that class. And in the spirit Of that rule and
}, The prncp leupou whic! il is founded whenever tho
Committee refuse to rise tile House refuse to adjourn
the motion for or the other object Is not Admirable
until the House the Committee has transacted sorno
pticr business 1t /, not necessary that vote should
be taken, bur the parliamentary rule captenplates that
wien the Committee refuses ~ rise or the House 10 ad
,ourn they must SO on and do souethiDg else-have
speech rca document or vote upon other ques-
loI Tint would be transaction Of business and the
sense ofhe House could then be- taken upon that mo-
ton But you cannot repeat the motQnto rise immo-
diutely after it has been toted down. because it would
then put the Committee or the pse in tho power Of se~-
Fen members othe Coumlte tie House control the
BUSINESS Of either. submit these remarks with great
=, Difference 10 The opinions expressed by the Chair
! The CHAIR. Tie Chair llas not full confidence IN
his own opinion although lie coufesses that he cannotsee
" what would be gained By receiving other motion.
when at all events would then DO III order TO
tho motion TO rise. - ..s..... ...
= Mr. Bolts | cannot consent that this question
= should be regarded involving any sort Of diff
Guilty whatever question Of order Whatever might
have been the state OF the when the gentleman
Submitted his motion to rise it liz perfectly clear that it
y Is in order TO make the motion rise now because We
havc taken stepiu proceedings The very speech
+ that the honorable President Of this Committee has
= made to this Committee is step in its proceedings
4 Eauyter Now, does any member OF this Convention
!: mean to say that 90 and discuss this question
of order will mot be order to move that COMMITTEES
TO rise before have taken other voe' II So
why thenw may be kept here for hours. do not SEQ
why, because rcfiised to rise at half past two
O'Clock should rise at half pas. three. Has the
Hinotion to rise been withdrawn - '.''
The ca AIR The Char understands that it ha. beeu
: withdrawn. II - :" -.
I Mr.. BOTTS. Then rexevs it.
Mr. FLOOD. ! did not Withdraw my motion.
7 3lr. BOTTS. Very we'll contend that because ws
mav refuse to fiseat three o'clock il is reason Thv
We should not four Or hal! past four unless we
have ,kun sorne other vote II that sto be the oase
We iy be kep.hcre ,ir morning without being able 10
yet any other vote. " .s..... a...
! 3lr. FERGUSON. + beg 1caye to say one word, and
to call the attention Of the C9mmi:tee to- thing.
Here Tor the first time motion made which evinees
determination to stop the progress Of this BODY
Cries OF order, order. -.''''-.
The CHAIR. Thsqaestiop is upon tie motion to rise.