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The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
New Goods! New Goods

4 NIIh subsCTlbcTs are now m tccripl nj tb.ir
Spring y summer stock of Goods md i,
"a vltc the euruuon oithc public generally n,
Inspection OF the same feeling nfdcnt thai o,',
very arge aud varied assortment of goods. with he
Lon Est PRIC ESplnccd upon en-, will insure
I continuance ot that liberal paironnp, brstn,,nJ
ipon ~ Tor several years past The stock of Dry
t'ufjN"ous~'s iu partui Cloths Cas~ImrIrs. SAT.
u.u7. Jonns, Ncsllug- and lailorS Trimmings
en Dress Silks. lu-h Pppps Printed and Plan
awU~. Orandirs, Far,cc De LANES. Mou.ri,pe
De lrwrs. pam gUi pr.i i0ronrt,,. Swiss mus.
d Calico, sc ~ great variety Also lary.
iuch -i Boln'a, Ribbons and mr'mcr's goods.
ALSO UgrGv0fg amt Cuicrg, Cy6rksyu ami
r'rss u are HaDis amt Si0ey DIuss. medicines
ft Hgs-NuFs GROCERIES, &c &c
NUuI ~ NAI..R 4 Hrt1irvg
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19

90 hhd' sugar, fair 10 choice 1872 bbls mo'as.cs.
,oocn'h' nce, 50 sack,coiire.
'osloSs pepper II 10 aIlspicc.
ALSo' cas'a- nuim"rs, cloves, ginger Eng.
.sh mustard, aud other articles IN the grocery luc.
Tor sale At very low prices, whOIemIe and retail.
npril ~ WALKrR & U,rv,r~c
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19

No nsws ~, from hen two pointer dcgs
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19

TAfICO, Aaron root, sago, Farinn, aud irc.h Ia
mnnnds tor sale by IIaiicr * HiclLng.
april 10
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
Usage Orange seed.

THE subscriber has small quantity ot,he above
seed for sale The seed !. fresh; having been
obia ned the past winter in Texas. lie has also
made arrangements tor obtaining plants, with in
s,rctons for raising this valuable fence for urpni-
RE country.
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
nrr,w NORTHUMBERLAND

on New York, m sums To suit purchasers For
~ sale by npu SLY u II. swift.
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19

DRESTON' extracts Of Vanilla and Lemon for
L Saltby apre9 Walker Il Hckiing
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
Fruit. Fruit,

1n0 SACHS dried apples, - sack. peaches.
'oOoxeS raIslns, casks Iantc cur
Eihts also preserved cltron prunes, &c, Tor sale by
aprlI !? Walker Il Hickiiag
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
House 10 Rent.

ON the east side of Fox River, suitable fol
~ small family, Apply TO
Aprr 10. GRlpLEY & PRESTON
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
SIGHT EXCHANGE


On New York, IN Sans 10 suIr purchasers for sale
" nov NnREls 4 FlsnrE.
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19

Poultry, Eggs, butter, lard bacon, hams &c,
wanted at the Family Grocery, one door north oil
the Post Office march l5-6mS Go MANN.
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
STORAGE g. COMMISSION.

Storage &commsson business also, at his ware
house on the side cut, on reasonable terms,
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19
Groceries! Groceries!

NAOoOlAVo 0AVOVAASos
THE subscriber has just returned from ST. Louis
wltha heavy stock family groceries, such as
Sugar, cgBse, molaSses, rice, tea,
spices, &C., &c,
ALSO, choice lot offorcign and domestic
Fruit.
suck MS oranges lemons, figs raisns, currants Ewes
apples, dried apples, peaches, &c, Sc. all OF which
he u sci stns low prices ms can be purchased ,nis
aide ol s.. Lous,by aprs X, MoNrdoMLRS.
Splendid Paper Ilangings.
lust opened, 1000 rolls OF every variety OF A.
81 merican wall paper, for parors. halls, dining
rooms, and saloons, &c. APPS J0HN HossAsS.
Rich DOrderings
TO match every variety Of wall paper,
apnls JOHN HossAcK.
The Ottawa free trader. [volume] (Ottawa, Ill.) 1843-1916, 1851-04-19

W ',rr ssr1jj -'''- w..irs & Iicxlno. rrv'.
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03

our pilgrims, who had taken only a de-
Totional whet at Mar Saba, now prepa-
red with intinite gusto. for solemn alb
luton in the sacred river. The Arabs
had driven our horses into the water,
and were swimming with them in grca,
glee; we, too, got ready for bath, anx-
lous 10 wash off the nastiness Of the
Dead Sea. Scarcely were we denuded
OF our scanty clothing, when, 10 ourdis-
may, we found ourselves surrounded by
The body of pilgrims, who had unexpec-
tedIy deboached from the bushes, uni
lormly arrayed in white. Not having
any idea that it was customary TO dress
Tor The occasion, and propriety forbid
ding us to lntrude IN a state of nature oa
so worshipiul company, we retired
with no small precipitation, to a more Sc
cluled, but less favorable spot up the
banks. r-.a. ..a .. ... -'...
The scene was highly amusing--hor-
ses houndenng and shorling midway in
the siream: Arabs displaying their cop
per-colored limbs as they disporled them
selves among the Tiny waves; pilgrims,
in bridal array, ducking and diving, grub
bing Tor snail shells and green pebbles
IN The bottom of The stream; handLer-
chiefs, caps, and unknown articles of
apparel, male and female, were washed
in the holy river, all consecrated shabili-
ments from that day forth. Some long
sighted deyotees had brought beads and
glass srmlets from Jerusalem, to be trans.
! formed into amulels and relies, by i'm.
merson in The Jordan; more bottled the
water IN large tin TASKS; others plucked
willows from iile river side; and few
took substantial logs, TO be manufactured
into trtnlSetS Of divers sorts, consecrated
abby contact with the waters. In fact,
pleasure, profit, and devotion were curl.
ously blended iogether--the maxim thai
mo man can serve two masters" being
carefully kept out of sight. %. liz .s.I
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03
Politics ian California,

| FREANER, the well-known correspon.
dent of The New Orleans papers during
| the Mexican war. is now in California
and correspondent of the New Or
leans Picayune. Writing from Sacra
menio, on the 10Th October he SAYS:
Thls winter we will have to elect a
United States Senator in the place oil
Col. Fremont, who has drawn the short
term. Col. Fremont, in my opinion,
stands no chauce Of recollection. do
not at present know of more than two
votes that he can positively rely upon.
The question in the next eleciien for IT,.
s. Senator from California will be the
broad one North and South, and although
there Is strong probability that the
Wings have majority on Lint ballot, if
! there IS any northern man elected, it
will be Col. John b. Weller. He hasa
great many warm personal friends in
bo'h parties, and upon this important
and exciting question he is liberal and
conservative III his views. As an evil
dence OF the strength OF the southern
and western men they have defeated
everyman in the country who has ayowed
himself an Abolilionist. m z.u'a5. a3,
Daring the coming session OF our
Legislature there is a strong probability
that a law will be passed calling "A new
convention TO adopt new constitution.
The western and southern ,hea appear
10 hang together, and il they continue to
do so, california, in less than two years,
will be slave State. So you will see.
1t am not more mistaken than ever |
was In my life, that while our admission
into the Union brings us 10Y aud fair
promises, on one hand, it sends us an
eternal feud on the other that will be con-
tested with fierceness and energy by
both parties. vi .s s. -
A1 In a subsequent letter, he says: .Ts
ELECTIONS that have lust terminated
IN The country, as far as lean learn, give
Whig majority in both Houses; but at
the same time there is decided majority
OF ultra Southern men, and they are de-
termined to elect one Of their own creed,
or al least who is sound upon that sub.
/ lject, TO The United States Senate, in The
place of Col. Fremont, without regard
10 the question Of Wing or Democrat. '
Upon which, the n. o. Daily Della
says: es-rrga qfr
"Respeciing the defeat of Fremont,
we think it is propable that Mr.. Freaner
is correct. That gentleman has proved
la great failure N the Senate, and in po!i,-
icai life. and the sooner he rc,ires into
his proper sphere, that in which he has
achieved deserved distinction, the better
ii will be for himself aud for the young
State, which needs an energetic, cool
and experienced Statesman TO represen
her interests in Congress,
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03
ETusic OF Nature I'm Norway.

Still as everything is to the eye, some
fines for a hundred miles together. along
these deep sea valleys, there is rarely
silence. The ear is kept awake by
thousands Of voice.. In the summer
,here are catarac,s leaping from ledge to
ledge Of the rocks, and there is the bleat-
ing of the kids tina! browse there. and
,he flap of the great eagles wings, az il
d7shes abroad from its eyrie, aud the
cries of whole clouds of sea-birds which
inhabil the isles; and al these sounds are
mingled and multiplied by the strong
echoes until they become din as loud
a. that of city. Even at night, when
the flocks are in the fold. and The birds n!
roos,, and the, echoes themselves seem
10 be asleep, there is occasionally a sweet
music heard, too soft for even the listen
ing ear to catch by day. Every breath
of summer wind that steals through the
pire forests, wakes this music as it goes.
The s,id. spiny leaves of the fir and pine
sibrate with the breeze, like the strings
Of musical Instrument; so that every
breath Of the night wind in o Norwegi-
an forest, wakens myriad Of tiny harps,
and This gentle and monrnlul music may
be heard in gushes, the whole night
through. This music of course ceases,
when each tree becomes laden with
snow; bu. yet there is sound in the
longest winter night. There is the rum
bic OF come avalanche, after a drifting
storm. mass of snow, too heavy to
keep lis place, slides and tumbles from
the mountain peak. THERE'S also, now
and then, loud crack of the ice in the
nearest glacier; and, as many declare,
there is cracking TO be heard by those
who listen, when the northern lights are
shooting and blazing across the sky
Nor is this all. Wherever there is a
nook between the rocks on the shore.
where 1 man may build house, and
clear a field or two; wherever there is n
platform beside the cataract, where the
sawyer may plan, his mill, and make u
path for i. 10 join some road, there is a
human habiiation, and the sounds that
belong to il. Thence, in winter nights,
come music and laughter, and the tread
Of dancers, and The hum OF many vol.
ces. The Norwegians are social and
hospiable people. and they hold their
gay meetings in defiance Of their Arctic
climate. through every season Of the
wear. s@.
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03
Original Poetry.
For the Des Moines Courier.
TO EfY FRIEND. "raa

I. Thy name is linked with thoughts {
s gladness, ..n" ..a 7a. ".1"
Happiest thoughts of days gone by;
Days ere yet a cloud Of sadness.
Cast its shadow DER my sky.
Mcm'ry oft its vigils keeping,
Loves in distantlands to roam, +
Where the shades of twilight creeping,
Deepen round my western home.
Clouds of deep, and dense affection d
Have passed DER me since we met,
But unchanged my firm affection.
Fondly twines around thee yet.
Since left you, fearful changes,
Have been working darkness here;
But the coldness that estranges r,
Kindred hearts, is far more drear. ...
OH my friend; never, never, .ru .
Shall forget to think of thee, .. ...
And l hope that thou wilt ever. a,.-
Midst thy joy remember me,
. Let me tsls when thou art kneelins
At the hour of twilight low, .."
And beam from heaven is stealing
Round thy calm and tranquil brow.
Let me ask che fond remembrance, +"
At the sacred altar there, "'
There would not be forgotten,
u3 Let my name be in thy prayer. H.
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03

UI The longer ! live, the more certain
am ,ha, the great difference between
men, the great and the insignificant, is
enelgy--invincible determination---an
honest purpose once 6xed-ard then
oenth or victory. That quality will do
/ anything that can be done in the world;
and talents, no circumstances, no oppor-
tnnity will make q two-legged creature a
man without it.-Goethe.
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03
EOwa:
HER AFFECTIONS,

| LIKE THE RIVERS OF HER BORDERS,
FLOW TO AN INSEPARABLE UNION,
The committee, also recommended the
adoption of the following:
Resolved, that tie Secretary of the
Senate and Chief Clerk Of The House,
jointly, forward a copy of this report To
M. q. Root, keosauqua, iowa, with in
structions % place the inscription above
recommended upon the block OF marble
by him prepared for the Washington
Monument. p
which report was eoneured in by
both Houses.
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03

ARRIVAL OF THE EMPiRE CIrY.-The
Empire City arrived at New York on
Saturday with s2,5O0,oOO in god. and
43O passengers She brings accounts Of
terrible ravages by cholera at Kingston.
Jamaica. tei'4 s3ta 9oa 3 bas 5sio3i Q
s8alG hasf bEf on sf
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03

A BEAUTIFUL EXPRESSED THoUsmr.-
II is difficult TO conceive any thing more
beautiful than The reply given by one in
atfliction when asked how he bore il so
well: al lighlens The stroke" said he.
to "dfaw near to Him who handles the
rod" :, .r.r,
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03
EoW;l E.cgislature.

In Senate, on, Friday December 30,
Mr.. Wright, from a selec, committee in
relation to the Block Of Marble for the
Washington Monument, made report
thereon, and recommended the follow
ing as suitable inscription #f
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03

NoDLE SENTIMENT OF BRowNLow.-
ii have never seen the day, when, if |
were to fall out with whom l had been
friendly, | would expose to public gaze
their private and confidential letters to
me-. Noman will do il but one who is
lostto all sense of honor and shame" "
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03

sr lR As the shadow follows the body
In the splendor Of the fairest sunligh, so
will the wrong done to another pufsue
Tbs soul in the hours Of prosperity. s
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03
PEREGRIM IN A pIcKLE

True BLUE.-A Quebec CORES pond
ent Of the Boston Ranger tells the fol-
lowing story of a Yankee who had been
all round, at that place.
The Yankee approached a group of
English gentlemen in front of the hotel
and fiourishing red bandana, observ-
ed:---.
wall I've been all around, and I've
concluded we don't want ye.' g9 4
An Englishman addressed him with:--
What do you think Of the ciladel!
'Oh, Scott wouldn't make anything of
taking that; he'd land fifteen miles down
the river and starve them OUT 10
But II is stocked with three years
provisions replied the other.
sis'Well he'd stay five. ,heu.' ...r,
= Go il, Anglo Saxon, thought we.
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03

ihe tVfThe population of Massachusetts,,
a. shown BY The census jus, completed,
is o84,6 ne7r s.ae
Des Moines courier. ([Ottumwa] Iowa) 1848-1854, 1851-01-03
COM NJ UNICATlON.

This communication was intended for
last weeks paper, but owing 10 the Iate
hour it was hanGed in, il could not lie in-
serted. .- F.. H....... -a
The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-01-12

70 me Ihss sy cannot consent any union without ths
eonduoa unless they immediately Tree all their slaves
ana Do o' sss hoA4 they rightly do that Thei, PEG
PIE as be io foedom before Il can be bless
lag 70 usn lii then, Tor them allow that touching our
SOIL shan make THEN people froo would BIO thing utterly al
Wal WIN the institution, their plan, their interest," opose
ana safety icannotexpect it would not consent 10 u
II were one of them. - A f ~ .sA ea
" Bat, whatever might do no one doubt what they
van do and what they viii not do They Will demand a
iukvo slave oil hey viii not do withoa u SIR haye
seen those men, talked With thens heard them SPEAK
believe they in IL IL said they cant separate
rom us that their interest binds hs ~ MS But pssson
lido YOU not know osn than Interest And they
have not only bat Of rghis feeling o be-
log gIieyousy wrsDged And besides, do you not hear
what they fhat they sell their cotton England
aud la ko her exchange and cut on ours
that they may have Cuba and Mexico and make the most
glorious empire under the sun, while we dwinde TO moth
ing All false ii you please, but plausible and they be-
heve it, Alas how do misunderstood one another
and how fatally, it may be They say fanatics.
aud say they blusterers but tho truth is, we
both terribly in earnest And little will II comfort US
another day--be that day disant-if the dark
and bloody veil of disunion shall be drawn across
this land. and sandin8 aImies shall pollute holy
soil and shall ensne, and wartaxes shall crush
us down almost than African bondage, aud
revolutions shall rond shattered States, and
tho of this empire republic bs forever, and the
ord shall wall mock at iall-tle will 1t comfort
think that believed that all this would
pen, and blind the awful hours that drawing
onto the awful fate that shall have plucked down
ourselves" Y 0..-ra.. ..E
The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-01-12

stated yesterday that Henry Long--the fugitive
had arrived safely in our city on Thursday eve.
i was not the deputy marshal OF New York. but
Phal Talnadse himself, accompanied by his officers,
conducted the fugitive 10 our capital We take great
re IN stating that this and other points connected
Slhls case, the Union Safety Committee have pari.
~ done their whole duty. With the noble object in
OF defending the constitution. executing the law
aving the Unon they betrayed all the expenses in
IN the prosecution OF this case ..z.a s. #....-s
one can doubt that George Wood, esq, and Mr..
eIn, the attorneys of the complainant, have done
whole duty r,' afa
commend to all the lucid and admirable opinion OF
Judson. He 10 the United States district Judge
Connec,ic9 acting in the place Of the United Staies
hry Long 10 said TO have been in ine spirits all the
p Richmond playing the fiddle most merrily A
Joke ID told IN regard TO the trip Henry asked Mr..
3n--one OF the New York maTshal's ofbcers-if be
the tune Of will never do 10 give il up so, Mr..
p" Mr.. Brown instantly retorted BY asking him
be rslishsd the song OF "Carry me back to Old Viz
owd Of Negroes attended the party to the f.rry
Nv York but neither there nor in PhadSlohia.
trouble waa anticipated, did any serious nterrup.
cur. On both ecessions IN ample police force was
I'd. AT Washington. We hssr, Dr.. Parker desired
I'VE the marshal from further noabe in the matter !;
= Talmadgs. under high sense Of duty, thought
to attend the fugitive negro to his place OF desna.
this city.-RiAmond Enquirer Of yesfsrdoy
The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-01-12

TIE FuGrivE-sLAvE Lone IN PHILApELPHIA-The Phila-
dephis Inquirer OF the St inst speaking OF the arrival Of
Henry Long, the fugitive slave in that city, says, The
United States officers, with their prisoner met la ST
night the arrival Of the at the Kensingon depot by
deputy United States Marhas Smith and Halze Of this
city supported by thirty officers under Police Marshal
Keyscr. The negro conveyed from Kensingon IN Gus
tody the United States officers and detail OF Marshal
Keyscrs officers. in OF Genus omnbuse the Bai-
more depot OF Eleventh and Market Streets where
he placed In the cars and started for the South in
esrge Of officers Tslmadge, Brown. and De Angels. OF
New York The marshal OF police also had parry OF his
officers stationed the Baltimore depot for the purpose
preventing any breach of the peace No what
ever, though, occurred The slave taken through Phil
adelpha without The slightest excitement"
The correspondent Of the New York Herald, writing
from Baltimore on the 9th, says: ,., as .4r... A.
Henry Long, the fugitive slave passed through Bs-
this morning, and reached Richmond this afternoon
He win go Georgia, unless ransomed by his northern
friends" @# 4 H9H#ea##
His master lives in Russell county, Virginia. and there
fore he will scarcely 60 to Georgia.-USIoN.
The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-01-12

: Sumner for the long term in the Senate was
"a to the democratic yesterday. but they adjourned
enink without taking aay 6aal action upon il.
Samner's friends are whispering to the democrats
SIS : democrat in everything bst his notions
slavery Ihia "a pretty story to tell about .
E,enee wnig. who left the wing party becaaes IL
7 70 chosen senator he will keep very quiet upon
e question, while his friends are already circala-
signatures petitions to Congress for Mr.. SENATOR
10 present. opening the whole question Of slavery
pcrah. touch not pitch l--Boston Post
The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-01-12

The following extracts are taken from letter ad.
ssed by the Hon J. r. Gddings, of the House of Rep
en,aves, to anti-fugi,ive slave law meeting held
Palmyra. Ohio: ~ aa Fl
The fugtveslave law ands us to participate in
srg aud sanding victims to this souihern mmoIaton
touse thousand times crnel than ordinary as
jna,ion. would b. willing handle the scouge--
ink the thong into his qniverig flesh, and from
tie life which God has given himas seize him and
ID him over 70 his lormenors. with the full knowledge
e,catcher less in the sight OF God aud good than
guilt OF him who consunmaes the outrage by this final
Yet told obey this law, and perpetuate
crimes, until save.rdden Congress shall see fit 10
aim US from such sn against God by repeating the
Whether It Dc right to obsy God rathsr than man,
p u'
From my innermost soul abhor d-te,, and rspudate
law. desplse ne human being who would obey il, u
should regard such man moral nuisance, con-
mating the air Of freedom. and would kick him fiom
door should he attempt 70 enter my dwelling
The authors Of this law may take from my sub
zee, may iApison me. or take my life but they have
the power % degrade me by compelling commit
usnscen dsat crimes agsinst my fellow man aud
prshend and appreciate this insult every freeman
So,th. Public Telling !: aroused popular indignation
who arod thus degrade the American character by
lung rs the cstchpoies of southern slave huniers
such are the sentiments of an abolition member of
ress who can be surprised at the opinions and con-
Of the poor, fanatic free negroes and ignorant
fss' Who should be held guilty for their mad ex-
es' Should it not be the Lawmakers and the leader
hsse wrstehed madmen Were we disposed to re.
(ie upon Mr.. Giddings, we might employ language as
bg, il not stronger than his own. We might adopt
Pwn phraseoloxy. and say From our innermost soul
bhor, detest, and repudaie such sentiments and we
rld despise the human being who would preach
nch violent resistance TO law of the land carrying
The guarantees of the constitution itself
The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1851-01-12

JENNY LIND COMING TO RIcuaoaD.-Our readers
will be heartily glad to learn that there is probability Of
the Nightingale coming back to Richmond before she
leaves America. We find in the last number of the Mes
sage Bird, weekly musical journal published in New
York city, letter from OF the Barnum corps,
giving official Of tho concert here and concud-
ing thus.-Rehmerd Eng Sivsr. tsa ArEs
Benedics pinno-ioe playing is much admired here
and he has all At taken high stand with the Rich
nond public as conductor and performer though
composer the single concert has given them OF
Judging him As lie, however, probable that Jenny Lind
may IN all possibility return TO Richmond, its inhabitants
may then have opportunity OF arriving at decision
this point also