The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1851-04-05

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q. Is that all that took place on the FIRST inter-
| view on Saturday.
| A. believe SO.
@. What hour did he call on the next day, Sun
A. think it was dusk.
O. State what took place en- that occasion at that
time!
"A. then repeated my desire for personal inter-
view with the committee. lie asked me the object
/ had. told him wanted to be satisfied that what
he was telling me was actually the case. lie told
me the next day he would do it. He told me he
had received two hundred and fffty dollars from
Henry Cotton, in consideration of MIR. Parsons, Mr..
Hall. and MIR. Wallace, and that he was to receive
one hundred dollars from Patrick 5. Hearn. He
was to come to see me next day at l2oclock. lie
left me-
@. Have you named all the persons from whom
he told you he had received money!
A. have up to that time.
q. And have you stated all that took place at
that interview!
A. have-all that can remember.
a. When did you next have an interview with
Mr. Bull!
G. State what took place on that occasion.
A. He told me that he could convince me, but that
the committee did not like to como down to my
house. He asked me if he should bring it to me in
writing, if that would satisfy me; and told me !
could have il in writing or could have il personally
with those gentlemen. He said be was in hurry
TO 20 up to Mr. Hearns and that he would call back
about dusk, and then exhibited the letter marked
read it. lie did so. requested to retain it, lie
told me the committee had made him promise not
to Iart with it before they would sign the letter.
He told me he would 60 and ask their permission,
and let me know. lie then left me- taking the letter
with him. then consulted friend, whether should
have in writing have half dozen gentlemen to
listen to it, concealed behind my curtains when they
released from their brackets. lilo told me, black
and white was better than anything, to say nothing Of
the unmanliness to which listener would be SUBJ
jccted. l then consulted with him how should
obtain the letter. There two friends that con-
suited. They advised me that if saw it again, to
possess myself Of it. said would. Mr.. Bull re-
turned and asked me If doubted the signatures Of
that letter | answered him | did not doubt the
genuineness Of the signatures. now wish to state
Of the letter marked &, that Mr.. Bull informed me
that he wrote both sides Of this letter, except the
signatures of Mr. Robinson, Mr. johnson, aud Mr..
Stone. He informed me that he had received one
hundred dollars from Orlando Moore. He said he
would let me have that letter with the committees
signatures to it, provided would pledge him my
word and honor as man, that / would send it to
him by mail that week. / answered him thus;-
"Mr. Bull, if you let me have that letter, l will
pledge you the honor Of a man and gentleman, that
Twill send it to Albany tomorrow or the next day,
if live" He handed it to me, and told me that
when sent il, ! would oblige him by accompanying
it with some funds. / about giving him
check on the bank, payable 20 the order of MIR.
Robinson, when he informed me that he had left
town that evening. ] told him (Mr. Bully to draw
on me from Albany did name the sum /; my mo-
tive was to honor it by sending check payable to
the order Of Mr.. Robinson. l did not communicate
that motive to him.
q. Is that all that took place Mt that interview!
A. All that can rec0llect of at present.
q. Did you send any check, as contemplated!
A. Two friends Of mine advised me not to do IL,
or to wait long enough for him to draw on me from
Albany, but to proceed Immediately and lay the
sfair before the Senate; took their advice, and
did not send any money check to Mr. Bull.
O. Did Mr.. Bull draw on you for any money from
Albany!
II - L., lo,o Lan.. Ix,yo I.rc h,o,
q. At the time Mr. Bull left with you the letter
marked &C., did he state what amount Of funds
he wished you to send to him, in consideration Of
leaving the letter.
Q. Did he at any time state what amount Of funds
he wanted from you!
A. / think that he did intimate once that no
wanted two hundred and fifty dollars; | don't re-
member what he said be wanted to do with this
two hundred and fifty dollars that he Unlimited.
lie added that he had borrowed six hundred dollars
and owed up here IN Albany H what had
which he had then in his pocket.
z. At what interview was this!
A. The last one
@. Did he show you the original bill at that
A. He offered to give it to me.
q. Did you take 1T
A. | did not.
q. Was it manuscript bill
A. did not see it.
4. No.
q. Did you ever promise to give him any money!
A. never promised him in any other way than
have already mentioned.
q. Did you ever have any interview in any man
with the Committee of the Senate namedi
"A. never had any dealings with the committee
save as | have already mentioned through MIR.
Bull
q. Are you acquainted with the Committee Of
the Senate, Messrs. Robinson, johnson, and Stonel
(SienctD s. A. SUDAN.
Chairman here stated that if any members Of the
Select Committee had any questions to ask Of Mr.
Suydam, they Mr.. Bull now had an Opportunity
Cross-cUDiind " Mr. Udsh.-Q. When Mr..
Bull called upon you last Monday evening and re-
fused to let You have the letter marked &. on the
grounds that IL was obtained from the committed
under the express and solemn stipulation that 1t
should not leave his possession, but be back in
specified time, did he refuse any money offered for
the letter
A. My belief H. that | minated to him that
would give him check, or that he might draw on mo
from Albany: be declined, and said he would 90 to
the Astor House and see what he could do. AS he
was going out, told him would not promise him
any money, as, that, before parted with five hun
drcd dollars, must know where or for what Il was
q. lid Mr. Bull. during the interview, appear
touched express surprise that you, after his nav
ing acted In this whole matter with such seeming
confidence, should be afraid to trust him with the
A. lie did.
q. Did you obtain possession Of the letter on the
second interview, by holding out to him the induce
mcnt that he could receive money from other per-
sons unknown TO MIR Bull, provided they could see
the letter with the signatures.
A. ] told Mr.. Bull that wanted that letter to
exhibit to persons interested and added that they
were not willing 10 pay their money unless they
could see the signatures Of the gentlemen.
(Signed,) ;. a. SryDAM
Cross Examined by Mr. Johnson-Q. At what
time in the day. on the 9th March, did Mr.. Bull
exhibit the letter TO you marked
"A. To the best Of my impression II was between
twelve aud seven.
q. AT the time this letter was presented to you,
was the ink dry upon II I
A. u had the appearance to me that u had been
written but avery few moments. and was strength
ened In that opinion when he opened It, by his tear
ing the Of Mr.. Robinson, and IL was so damp
that he attempted TO paste part Of II down.
U. In your first interview with Me- Bull, did he