New-York daily tribune., 1851-09-27
SiNJ-Eighih Diocesan Conventions thc Pro-
tesiant Episcopal Church OF the Diocese OF
NcW-lork.
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Church
Morning prayer was sad by Rev STEPHEN II.
BArLiN, OF christ Church, CooperSiown. assisted IN
fes eS>ons oy Rev G jaws GEER Rector oi Carist
Church. BalS;on spa.
\; O'Clock. the pres.tea; oi the Convention.
Rev DR.. Creighton. ca,icd ;Ae Convention 20 orter,
when the minutes weTc read.
Judge Oakley raised The question, whether blank
ballots should oe counted ~ the votes for me Pro
vlsonal Bishop. II men vii not name then candi-
date thcy should De considered retiring isom the
question lie considered 10 al important iha' the
question should be settled now, and especially be-
fore tie Convention proceeded 20 another ballot,
:l4i Blank votes should not De counted Tie QaeS-
non rises. whether. indeed choice has no. already
been made i The 0iank votes a,t re ccied. lie there
icre moved that hencetorth blank votes should not
be counted.
Hon John l. spencer objected to raising the
question now, - oGt OF order.
Jude Oakley remarked that H. motion referred to
amending the minutes where i was declared " there
MAS no chO.ce.'
t. T. Belts, Esq. NOV yed that the miauteSbe amend
ed IN all cases 10 read - the char decided. tnat
there was no election"
Hon John e. spencer discussed the question, and
maintained that the Char had 10 rght Ia decide ON
the ballots II beng question of facts " the Char
can ceclce only points o, orter
". H. Hanson, Esq, argued that the Chair did not
3eclds ne only announced the decision Of the House.
the facts there Was a certain conclusion the
Char announced merely this CONCLUSION
The question was taken on the amendmen, OF the
minutes: to insert after the record OF the last ballot
IN the minueS OF last evening, that the Char an
nOunC ed that there was no election
The vote was taken, but the responses seemed 70
be equal, and there Was no CeclSion After some
discussion, the vote WAS again taken. The question
lost on the amendment.
TIE question on the minutes was taken. and they
The Secretary then called tn, rou OF Lay Dele
gates not present on THURSDAY
Rev DIR. Tyug now moved hat the House 20 INTO
a 6lih ballot iOr the elect ton oi ProvSional blSh-
op, and suggested that instructions DC gwen to tel
leis IN regard tO the counting Of the votes
Judge Oakley spoke IN reference 10 the mstruc-
ton ~ teerS, ana the establishment Of the general
principle. lie therefore ohors the motion that
T. be declared the sense oi t9i> Convention that
blank ballots shall not he counted 10 tins elscuon
r + w Belts said that thiSQueStioa had been decid
ed over and over again bN tnlS tonvcntOn, and but
a few minutes since. We have decided that blank
ballots shall be counted, have elected already
a Provisional Bishop OF the Diocese OF Newly Ork.
Blank ballots have ALWAYS been counted. They have
been counted m ,hlS Convention IN the CITY ot New
York, IN the State OF NeW-Nork. The question has
often been decided Men have voted IN this Con-
yentlon Tor q candidate, knowing that no other man
Xll vote for the same name ThIce votes are OF no
more use than blank vote. They nave the same
ehect-that effect is 90 def al the candidate Now,
"A wishes 70 defeat candidate, WHOM botN
not like. he has only tO vote blank. But II We decide
that blank ballots shall not be counted, obi ge vo-
tiers to write a name-eVen fictitious name-so thal
our rule will be- imperative lie hoped, therefore,
that the Convention would have the law OF the state
of New-l orb aS II is, and count the blank votes as
before. -
john & Spencer differed with Mr. Belts What
Is the effect OF 4 blank vote l. there any analogy
vote to lay the table vote 10 defeat action
lie asked whether blank vote Is not precisely the
same lie thought that II SAID on the part OF the
voter" viii swell the whole number as much as
can and then throw away ml vote, 50 $50 defeat
the leading candidate lie asked # this was not
the case \ blank vote Intellectual vote WIN
the Convention adopt the principle that an Intellectual
vote vote, and VIII You return II 10 the 'OteV
II l. question which comes 10 the conscience ot inc
voter Mr. Spencer procetdtd@o advocate the un-
restrained ana understandable night to vote AS ne
pleaSos win YOU say that shall not vote for John
smith lf please 50 TO do The gentleman proceeded
10 declare that n was matter ot deep pr'hclple'
The Constitution gives us the rght TO exercise ths
privilege as We Will. No one has night To decide
whether vote l. eaectual vote but the voter hinl'
sell
Loud calls were here made for the question.
Rev Mr. Hill, of Morris, moved that the;Conyen-
ton proceed To a ballot, and while the tellcrs were
out the House could argue.
Rev. DR.. Schroeder moved T. lay the hair we are
trying to split" upon the tabc-in other words 10 IN
definitely postpone
The question was takeno Judge Oakley's motion,
and decidedly lost
This leaves the vote As bc.oTe-blank votes and
others to be- counted. decision rejecting blank
votes would probably have been used Ia declare DIR
Wainwright Provisional Blsnop the vote on the tenth
ballot having given hlm 30 Oi lSO votes on the tiefi
cal Ballot aud ~ of IL on he Lay Ballot this last
beng a majority OF three. And the vote ON the
Clerical Ballot, on the rejection Of the blank vote,
would have elected him. Judge Oakleys motion
that blank votes be not counted, whether II could
have an post f0rfO operation "a this case or not,
tended 10 turn aside the right Of members 10 use
their privilege OF independent voting pom, which
Hs.. ha 10 4AAN Af
John c. Spencer, who cOnttuded that an Intellectual
vote good vote, the purpose OF The voter being
20 defeat action or choice an he case Hence his
vote, whether for John smith, Or Tor a fictitious
name, or for any name whateye~ expressed his will
a, clearly as a vote Tor Of the leading candidates
Hence he ntlmated, thai 0y precedent OF TINS state
and of The United these vote shOuld be counted.
After the DallOtlng was finished, and while the
ieers were out, the Report of the Treasurer Of the
Convention read BY Tie secretary, showing a
small balance on hand
Out Of 220 Churches IN the Diocese, only 10 have
pald their quota to the Diocesan Fund 1ne Secre-
tary begged that the Churches would be prompt M
their contributions to this nlud.
A resolution was offered. THAT each clergyman
Who neglects 10 make cali UPON ms Church, or 10
take up a collection Tor the Diocesan Fund, shall be
Obliged pay themsey e. the quota out Of ther sala
~ or earnings" OF Il per cent &c. The resolution
was received With hearty laugh, olt the question
A resolution was passed that the members be- pad
their mileage, according 20 the usages Of the Con
yentIOn.
Moved that the whole subject Of the Diocesan
Fund be referred to 4 Special Committee OF hye.
Carried.
The Char n AIMED the following gentlemen Rev.
blr Bedell. Rev Dr. NntOu. ". II. Harrison, Esq,
Rev b }. Halght, and {. :. Roland.
Rev Mr.. Bedell declined The char named DR..
TyDg a substitute. DR. Tyng declined taxing the
place Of Chairman, but was willing 10 serve on the
minuendo part Of the Committee.
DR. Vnton therefore, Is Chairman Of the Com.
Inlttee
On notion, 1900 copies of TIE proceedings Of the
Convention with the COnsiIf mon and CanOns of the
Diocese. were ordered to Le printed.
The result OF the ifth ballot iOr Provisional Bishop
was announced as follows
Cleucai Lay Clencal. Lay.
Eeg DR. CreightOn " Is Re- DR. PDteT--.---2 8
Wainwright. 81 - PdTks ------- I
Nnton-. O. C.dfk ---.---
Brown .----- % Atkinson %
HaIgbt------ / JlBiaIAS.-----...----- %
Robertson %
TaYl.s --- ZIM aate nnmber. .---.ISo l7J