The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1850-09-18


Sir I am to decide between these two. whether will
vote that portion OF these lands which are destined to
be OF value 10 the treasury whatever be given away
and whether % o9s Sao q ns@
peril in times goae by have served their country on I'M
poItant occasions - ,
Affairs proposes 10 increase this national debt by voting
an amount Of money 10 the sailors who engaged in those
wars. | say ii is an odioas dsnnction-one am IN
willing 10 see incorporated in this BILL am unwilling
to see IT, because they. being upon the ocean are allowed
to take the money! but sir. the soldier OF tennessee
where there no public lands, uus taxe n.s
and sell il for whatever he obtain Tor II IN The market
am opposed TO placing the sailor upon any hgner
ground, any elevated and better pos,.on, han tne
soldiers in my own state H. thsIsios ey non ~
equality with the soldiers OF the amy-ihose wno serve
their country upon the andand not make this odious
distinction between the sailor and the soldier.
agree with the senator from Illinois, [Mr, SHIELDsl
that il is wrong to lack this amendment 70 this bill You
attempting provide for different class q persons
altogether The army and navy are separate and distinct
II is the custom to legisate for them 80 Sir in your
appropriation bills you have one for the army and you
separate and distinct bill for the ana why oena
them together upon this questions Why tack them now
Or, il they to be united, why mol unite them ~ all
time to come in the appropriation bill Why Keep them
separate
come the conclusion The amendment s undigested--
that is to say we are required to vote upon II ~ moment
without discussion, without consideration, without ex
animation into its merits am opposed % the Wnoie
proposition aside from the distinction which It would
make between the soldier and the sailor
ac So lar from the subject being new and undgested
will state the Senate that II has already been subject
OF consideration before the Senate and after being con-
sdered Tor time. referred to the naval commit
and therefore has gone through the digestion oil two
Committees and the partial digestion OF the Senate
make that reply 70 the senator's remark a s ms.si
ready and has been very much and very properly consd
cred BY two committees and by the Senate
Mr. TURNEY. Mr. President, used the remark that
a
pond with the provisions OF the bill II proposes to give
those officers OF the navy hundred and sixty acres OF
had served. =
Now sir when you look at the bill providing for the off
and soldiers OF the army according 10 the
they had and unless they had served twelve
monhs they could receive this bounty OF the one hum
dred and sixty This amendment is not graduated
By any such rule gives arbitrarily and Con oe
may not have served more than three months IS not
regulated by the time in which he served it is not gov
preston undgested" [ regard yet as being und.
gested 1t based upon the provisions Of The bill
Il does not reward upon the principles Of the blu but
gives and sixty acres OF land, regardless OF
the time which the officer served.
Mr.. YULEE, lin his sea) All the sailors enlisted at
Mr.. TURNEY. It's 10 your officers that understand
that the amendment under consideration gives high
bouny-to the officers of the navy, without regard 10
the time in which they served They may have resigned
| Mr. YULEE So they might in the regular army
Mr. TURNKEY The senator says they might resign in the
regular army in the same way and truly sir But when
be looks to the BILL if in the regular army the officers did
not serve the twelve months they did not get the one
hundred and sixty OF land II they six months
get forty This proposition, however gives the Of
fcer OF the navy the hundred and sixty acres al
though he may have served more than three months
is governed by time the expression, there
lore that it nndigested II was not based upon any
principle graduated according to the principles oil the
| bill
Lno M, ,vha tba nrov;s;ons may he in relation IN
the sailors, except far have been notified by the
chairman OF the committee He proposes to reward them
IN land Il may come forward equally unaigeslsd WIN
give to each sailor specified amount OF money, regard
less OF the time which he may have served and regard
less to whether he honoraby discharged or not
In relation to the bill for the soldiers they
certain length OF tme and must have been honorsbly
discharged. The amendment, in relation to the sailors
may be undgested that in relation TO the officers OF
the navy and so, it would be Objectionable upon that
ground But, suppose that the first objection is subj
cien-tha Is placing them upon better condition tnan
the soldiers OF the army-the volunteers and military
men called out TO render important services upon land
am unwilling TO do that but especially am unwilling
to place the soldier Of Tennessee, who fought in
the battle Of New Orleans, and wounded there, and
who, through age and inrmty, is now unable to work
for his living, upon lower grade than you place the
sailor and give the sailor bounty in money but to this
Mr. DAVIS. OF Mississippi. obtained the Aoor but
Mr.. BADGER. Mr.. President, allow me to sugges, an
amendment before the honorable senator proceeds his
remarks desire-n order 10 meet the objection offered
by the honorable senator from Tennessee, Mr. TURsEY
that the amendment proposed by the chairman OF the
Naval Committee. with the amendment which he intends
TO offer IL this shall be adopted, does not place the
two classes OF service, those OF the army and OF the
nady upon the footng-o suggest 10 the chairman
that he should adopt this substitute for the amend
ment which he has proposed, which will meet all the
difficulties suggested by the honorable senator from Ten
nessee II is germane TO the BILL and puts those who
served in the two Of the public service upon pre-.
cisely the same footing
"Asd each Of the surviving officers and Of tho
Of the United States, who perform services board
any public vessels Of the United States, land In Ell.
lher Of the aforesaid shall be entded like quanti-
ties OF land for like Quantities OF service herenbefoe
provided for prvales and officers OF the military service OF
i the United States"
II the chairman will accept this substitute for his
amendment il will meet the objection, think.
Mr. YULEE do not feel at liberty TO accept il a
substitute, but will vote for il as a substitute.
/ Mr. MASON. acquiesce in il, as a member OF the
committee.
/ Mr. YULEE accepted the amendment
MIR. DAVIS, OF Mississippi. Upon this question, as
upon every other in which have attempts TO ncor-
porate the army and navy into BILL nothing but con-
fusion and injury TO both have resulted Their organza-
ton is wholly unlike. Their pay is unlike. The rules
and regulations which govern them dssimlar,
that is impossible TO assimate them in any
Last year we lost the bill for the retired list by ncum-
betng Il with the navy where the whole system OF
ganizaiion, promotion, and succession is different,
adapted to both The senator from Massachusetts,,
no longer member OF tins body, (Mr Webster,) with
that close perception and great knowledge which he
usually exhibited