The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1850-10-02
Hhe chief Engineer ana the Common
Gnnnrsl.


The join. committees appointed 10 investigate she
charges made BY the Chief Epsinecr against the Com
Council. entered upon their dulles last oishs IN
the city Ue,l, both Being present.
At the commencement Of the investigation Alder
Knu GOD requested all, except the i've sommlttsss
and Mr. Carson, to retire.
Dir Carson and bis counsel said there were no per-
60 ~ present. in edition, bat The witnesses
Oue OF Tie witnesses replied, that he had as urieh
right TO be prsffnt any one else. The room was
cleared, and
The resolution OF the Common Council appointing
. committee OF investigation to .ngeire Into the
charges made by the Chief Engineer, was then readi
aisr which,
Horace T. Clark Esq., inquired IL there was auy
necessity for aiag the report Of the Chief Engineer
.Id It was arced that It shoad be read from time to
time II became Necessary. lie also Tisned 20 kno"
whether the charges should Do taken ap in ORDER aud
II tbe part OF The report rrang 20 the bell rngers
should be Grst taken ur, and NE carson examiner a.
Iiacrnaa WOOD replied tina. he di not think it
judicous Mr. carson FOR ne ws-' the plain
tiff ia the Gaze.
objection TO Gr Carson being examined.
The part o. the report ming 20 the bell ringers
vas Their taSon up; ana without any formal opsning
Nr John Hun9poen wa sworn ana eAaI', ~ IS d
witness on the part % the fire Department lie tssu
he'd thst he was bell ringer on Union Market tower
for FROM four 20 six days; cdn't say the exact time
but thinks IL was in tne mouth OF July 1857 was
Ninth ward pclicunan at the time BE vas detailed
Tor chat service ~ an oEcer ron ssmuei Hunnins
hem ca ttsin OF his ward, one year az the police
at t'Ire spd engaged a. bell ringer be-
tore wntn h. 10 the tOEes ne found an Old
man named a.sson there who the only bell ringer
at u" time the regular number OF bell ringers 10
,p~ tower I. three. He found that he could not do
the duty with six hours on ~ six hours Of
and spilled TO the Chief Beginner ~ ~ appointed TO
relieve HIM |: the MaJ or had none The Mayor asked
him what his objection &c remainiug and ha said
! he would rather be on duty in mis- ward The Mayor
- l.. 4. a. s.tth he. ntf
/ he had no objection If Mr. Carson had not, and
| that h. would hke TO see Dir Carson. Can't tell
whether Pr. Carson saw the Mayor or not In
the first Instance, he va, detsil'd ior TWO weeks
at the end OF when time he expected TO leave
! Cross-exam.ucd by Mr. BRADY counsel for the Cor
/ poraticn Con tatto--uss been policeman Tor Two
yrsfs; never had BEEN bell niger; vines witness told
hr Cerson ne wanted TO be relieved he said he had no
objection; thought he had better stayi hr carson
! knew that he was policeman saw him with his EN-
bl-Es AID had called upon him co make arrests
at res did Say that witness was Incompetent as
belrinrer. h.csu.e ne was policeman; during the
time he bellringer. the bell not rung tor any
isl Sc alarm; il only rang once, and then for
fire: Their. not any hre Tor which no alarm
given by that bell that he knows Of during his term
yh. he was there there was always some person pre-
sent TO give the alarm; no hrem mads complaints
to him hey sad 1t too hard Tor two men to attend
TO thai oser; the Mayor s.d he had no objection 20
relieving witness. Captain cunningham told him that
Giroud detailed his place; saw Mr. Carson after
he had the iOtervew with the Mayor. and thinks he
told him he the Mayor told him he had seen the
Mayor: don't rocollsct every word which Mr.. Carson
| sad but he wanted him 20 stay in the tower
witness to ttay and sad it would be better to sc.
th man: two not enough for the Office, for
| they AK hours ON and six hours oil. aud mia
acquainted with the business could do better than
otl.re.
Q.-w.rs tSo bell ringers efficient!
Mr.. Brady said there was no charge in tie report
about thsr. not bang enough OF bell ringers
sr CLARK rsd there was
Mr. brady asserted there WAS not; and, therefore,
the rutjeet could not be entered upon
ME- Cgik said there no use Ia going Into techni-
eaiities: nr Carson MAKES geneIsl charge against
"a q IN = q
were only two bell rogers ct that tower when three
we're necessary; the Common Counsel furnished the
bell ringers ana IL they had th. power OF furnishing
too they had the po~ar OF providing three.
Aid. Weed said that the Common COUNSEL had no.
Mr Brady again spoke, and said that 1.-THE Commit
tee wished TO into matters not charged ia the re-
port. lie had no objection. As far rs the testimony
roes the witness already proves that there was
n regl.ct Of duty. Sc. as charged
Mr. CLARK replied and said that the compliant Was
for appointing he'll ringers from the police force aud
that this improper mode OF appointment involved the
Aidermsn Wood said tina. the investigation had
better be cont ned to the report.
Mr. zophar Mills on the part OF the IRE depart.
Committee said that Ia their opinion this sotsct
is covered by the charges In the Chiefs report
Mr. Brady ESD IL vas OF no sonssquenes 20 h.in but
number OF b.llriogers being employed in the report
Ar Clark replied that IL wa the wAole syste which
e. desired 10 investigate aud it was not worth
whine TO delay the examination by techniealiiies
Nj Brady said the ecrinittes cannot go beyond the
rrso.ution appointing them or beyond the report OF
Alderman wood-rha. IL the Wow the COMMITTEES
III zoph,r s-Gentlsmon will plesset to note that
tie fire Dep sTtment Committes disagree.
The witp.fs wGs examine BY sir Hope, OF the fire
DEPARTMENT Csmmittse There are three men usually
srpoirtvd TO every tower, aud there were ooly two
x'tsa 4 va. there witness was never e certificate
menber Of any are company. he was . volunteer in
his younger days; hsttsrs himself ne would make
good hr.ma a
against hin ~ n hell ringer.
james Girou the next witness .sorn aud exam
4 Az uh.Ua hill Vi
OF the Union Market tower had beeu policeman Tor
six months; had been drvriani remained on
the to~er i've o. six months there we're swo bell.
finr,rs when hs nrst went thss. MIR. Parrish and Mr.
Nssron he made the third VA, there Tor two days and
went 10 tn. tower: he received the order To leave
the his aud did not consult the thief
Engineer during he tine lac Wa absent b. .sson day
ard night duty, bis vacancy vas not euppisd on tas
tower he old shout informing the Chief Ens
neer. az he wanted to be either permanently on the
bell. or OF altogether Witness corrscts himself aud
| ssyf there only tbs tower when be vent
there End THAT during his vacancy thsro we, but ose
there 10 do Justice toths Fire and to the
pu bile four bell ring necessary that tossr
tve are inadequate and one grossly INADEQUATE ~
the he called on be told the Chit. sn-
ginser and he had detail ssBtrp for him; whoa he
| left he vas succeeded BY nan named Da Aouehsi
witness preferred to ~ back to post duty, and he
mentioned 10 to his captain
Grove era oined by Mr. Brsdy-rhe second time that
he called of lie said t. Ia. chief Engineer, ne
old not snd his detail up to him. ne would have 70
report himself ter duty; fireman for all the
time but ten mouths, and according to the
nsv law three months eees net krtN OF any com
plant having been made By the Chief Engineer while
he vas there; but be woadess there not, for he
himself has slept the whole to-er :. g. the whole
sin hours snd tia. vas owing TO the Insult cheney OF
men. = we'll az 10 the closcness VI the room
Susftion-Is 70 Jour opinion that the difficulty az
the tower not the nex y.risnes the persons ap
pointed or the policemen. but that number
net appointed TO insure te discharge Of the du
tiseg
Does ne. think there we're men enough TO do
the duty eoes ne, feel inclined 20 .ay ~hether other
70 r.cns p.gl.cttd their euty or not
To M eh M ram of
bell ringers dstorhed III. ,fcis ncy Of the toscr, dI
not mean to sAy that ceh-ieucT Of hell ringers
the only obj.cicp would be better tor the ietsress
of the tirs Department the bell ringers wvrs pcrms
u,pt and ALEC II they we're under the ohars. Of the
Chid Engineer: while he the toxer, there ~ss
record heyt % the absence Atsusancs of as bell
ringers and there Vas usy for the chief Engineer
10 Know whether the deity vas rsrfrrmei or not un-
less the Ch'e tnginser vas there himself had some
one TO watch 10.
by Alderman Wood he vas detailed he vas
under the charge Of hi. Captain; II hs Captain told