The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1850-01-15


brace all that want 70 know and am very willing this
shall lay upon the table I'LL we can receive mat norma
Mr. DOUGLAS. would rather. sir. ii should be taken
up and passed to It's order in the proceedings.
The motion to proceed to the consideration OF the
oluhon was then agreed TO; when
On motion, II was
Ordered That its further consideration be postponed IN
The Senate proceeded to the consideration OF executive
business and after some time so spent the doors
reopened, and
/ The Senate adjourned
HOUSE OF REPREsENrATIvEs
! After the reading of the journal,
leave to withdraw private papers from the files Of the
House, 10 be transferred TO one OF the departments
Mr.: KAUFMAN, reminding the House that the rules
on the 18th their operation ceased alter which time ths
House would be without rules unless the report OF the
Committee on Rules made on this day week, previously
having precedence OF that report 1.-THE further execution
OF the order for the election OF officers OF the House fol
the consideration s,isst Of the former;
Mi. STEPHENS suggested that, on TO morrow, anar.
chy would necessarily reign in the hail. unless the sub.
lect OF the rules be to-day acted on.
| MI. CLlNGMAN asked if il would not be competent
Tor me House to continue the existing rules in force for
The SPEAKER suggested that the members on exam.
inaton, would find that to dispose Of the amendments
proposed 70 the rules BY the committee would require
Mr. JACOB THOMPSON trusted that the suggestion
OF the gentleman from North Carolina Mr.. CLNGMAE]
would prevail, among the several amendments TO the
rules reported by the committee, more or less would
give rise 70 prolracted debate
Mr. VINTON suggested that if the subject Of the rules
be postponed for week, il would likely terminate in its
posponemen until the end OF the session; which had
been the result OF similar motions upon the same subject
at previous sessions.
Mr. McLANE desired to know what was the precise
character OF the amendment OF the gentleman from North
Carolina Mr. CLINGMAN.
The SPEAKER, in reply, stated that gentlcman's sug-
gestion to postpone for week. and remarked that its
consideration. in the shape OF an amendment would re-
quire the unanimous of the House, but members
/ Mr.. JACOB THOMPSON was OF opinion that, If a
motion to postpone the consideration of the report OF the
Committee on Rules was agreed to, il would necessarily
follow that the subject would up next in order after
the election OF the officers Of the House remaining be
chosen.
Mr.. McCLERNAND asked if the motion Of the
gentleman from North Carolina Mr.. CIISGMAN] would
not now be in order
The SPEAKER replied, not If objection be made
MI. STEPHENS made remark, which was inaudibe
Mr.. McCLERNAND remarked thai unless the changes
proposed adopted. they would hardly prevail
at any suIbseSuen, period Of the session. !,
Mr. lNGE asked whether If the motion OF the gentle.
man from Texas [Mr KAUFMAN] be voted down. that of
the gentleman from North Carolina would not be in or
The SPEAKER decided that it would not be in order,
unless the House voted to suspend the rules 10 entertain
The question on the motion OF the gentleman from
Texas Mr.. kAuFMAs] to postpone for the present the
further execution OF the order for the election OF officers
for the consideration of the report from the Committee
Rules, previously made special order for Thursday
last was then put by ellers and it was agreed toyeas
The SPEAKER then announced the consideration OF
the report from the Committee Rules to be in order,
and stated the first paragraph thereof to the House
follows:
standing rules of House, they existed the close of
the last session. with the following amendments ihereo
II was agreed TO-
The first amendment proposed in that report was then
stated TO the House as follows:
In the second line of rule twelve, insert between the
words mot" and "vose," the words "be required TO-"
And the Chair having explained how its adoption
Mr. HARRISON did not perceive the necessity for
this change He thought the rule now stands ii
discretionary on the part OF the Speaker 10 vote or not
when his vote would not Affect the result.
Mr. JONES was understood to say that the constitu-
of the Speaker should be deprived OF his right
to te on any or all cases, under the rule, with the
exception OF cases in which his vote would affect the
result
Mr. WINTHROP conceived the 18th rule as ii exists to
be in this respect violation OF the constitutional rights OF
the Speaker representative, in depving that officer OF
his right to vote on all questions IL appeared to Mr.
W. 10 be the impression on the part OF members that
in giving their votes for Speaker they were comforting
upon him rights as to voting somewhat like the right
OF the Vice President (under certain circumstances TO
decide the fate OF measure. This impression was erro
neous The House. instead Of placing the power sup.
the Speaker but under this rule his privilege repre-
sentative, OF voting all questions, was taken from
him. He Qhe Speaker represents 50 900 citizens and TO
say that he shall be permitted to vote only in certain
cases, 10 deprive them OF their due weight in the hail.
while really substantial power conferred their
representative BY his elevation to the Speakership
Mr. w. (contnuing) instanced the proceedings OF the
House with reference 10 the Pacheco case, in which IL
had been supposed The understood 10 say that his
vote (when Speaker by making tie would have chang
ed the result; which was not so. The motion was TO
lay the table. and the nays being one more than the
yeas, his vote had been given to the minority, il would
not have laid the bill on the table
Mr.. w moved further TO amend the 18th rule, BY add
ing at the proper place. unless his vote shall make
difference in the result"
Mr. McLANE trusted the gentleman from Massschu-
sets would extend his proposition to amend tie
Nell was in favor OF dispensing altogether with the
twelfth rule Cases had occurred in the legislation OF
the country in which the Speaker had claimed ibe right
over the rule TO vote He referred to proposition to
amend the constitution TO change the mode oil electing
the President and Vice President In this the vote
OF the Speaker made the necessary two thirds He
ceved that the Speaker Of right but the moderator in
the hail. without rights above other representatives Be
slowing upon that officer the right, "presiding officer"
to change the result Of votes comforting upon him
functions like those Of the Vice President He denied
that the Speaker OF the House Of Representatives Of the
United States should be placed where the speakers OF most
of the legislatures OF the States stood 10 the night 10