The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1850-10-05
N CuNGREsS or THE u. STATES.
FRIDAY. SEPTEMBER ~. 1850.
I'm coETIsuATlos.l N a9s
INDIAN APPRoPRIATIoM BILL

Mr.
s il is The duty o our Finance Committee lake char
- oar general appropriation bills and make appropria-
lions for subjects provided for BY law II new subjects
.fos he Senate and their action obtained upon them
Sioehand Now, is impossible for the Finance Com.
"ee 10 attend not only TO their duties, and attend
10 appropriations ior which mere are existing laws bnl
ds ,sess = ii sppoprsoa bs We canno, siss,s con-
ssen,y economically, and properly. unless we attend 10
his theory OF business Let THESE other committees come
;orward and pash their business. and claim the attention
a the Senate to-tben hy themselves Why, sir, have
hsep willing. n any tune, % give portion Of the time of
N Senate 10 thia Indian Committee, any other
mire who have subjects 10 submit. and for which they
nave bills Ii will be much more proper that claims
= large az this should be examined by the Senate
separate subject The COMMITTEES on Indian Affairs ere
3 much entitled TO confidence as any committee but
would we upon claims AS large as this, reported by
any committee without examining 10. ourselves! The
.naor from New Jersey says he has heard one who
has moi admitted the justice Of this clam Sir, have
aeifer admitted denied IT. am willing it, after we
nave had time examine il shall turn out 10 be due to
hem then to vote TO pay il 20 them But am un willing,
without examination, upon the recommendation OF a COM
mllre to add this o the appropriation bills That
4 no place for it. II we encourage .as system of legs-
latioa by Congress, il committees find that they
can put them upon appropriation bills, Why would be
much less trouble 10 offer amendments than 10 bring them
forward as separate subjects that must be passed upon BY
hsnsslves; why, they would come here and leave Il
al IN their own HANDS II would be, in fact permitting
eacn cOmulltcc u pass
choose to recommend Why, sir, who is or can be pre-
ayed on any committee 10 get the claims that may
n presented from every other committee IN the House
knd there is no committee which cannot thus ingraf. it's
oWn subjects and recommendations upon some OF the
reneral appropriation bills II seems 10 me that We
ought to take stand upon this matter and my word for
IL when il is once done, We will find that these commit
ses will claim their share oil the time o the House, and
have their decided upon as separate measures.
and then they will be mapery decided upon am not
Undertaking TO say whether this claim is Just or unjust
Ia .t shs
period Of the session Have time to examine it when
The Committee Finance have not done SO! This re-
mort was made four five weeks ago, il is said Why,
Dir, every committee have been making reports, and vast
am0uRts OF them. Could we go over the files Tor the
purpose searching up every report on every case which
would be likely to be added offered TO this apprppra-
lion bill By means. We could not do IT, be-
ev we have done our duty in examining those matters
Of appropriation which are provided for by Congress,
and in resisting the introduction o others which have
been 80 provided for Ii is for the Senate, however
determine, and we must submit to their decision.
Mr. BERRIEN. Our experience at the close of each
successive session lei ds to show to The embarrass
menis under which We are now iaDorng. nave nc
doubt Of the correctness OF The suggestion Of the senator
from Virginia, Mr. HUNTER i the principles for which
be would contend were carried INTO effect BY the adoption
OF rule which would be obligatory upon the Senate
What object to is the application OF that principle 10
successive amendments which proposed these bills
against OF which il PREVAILS while in relation to
Others il fails We have uniform mode OF legialatng
upon these subjects protest, therefore, against the
WtduFe dppHcauOh OF lbdt prlnclpc against claim
which has been deliberately investigated BY committee
this Senaie, and whoe report has been publlshed--
which report venture to say senator read aten
lively Without having his conviction in perfect accord
ance with that OF the committee by whom the report has
been made SIR told that this matter Is presented
10 W 10 hurried manner that the Committee on IA
nance have had no opportunity OF examining H. as u was
their duty, II such opportunity had been afforded them
locy into the merits of this claim that il they
bad made report TO the Senate OF the United States the
Senate Of the United States would have been able to con
der Justy have great respect Tor the Committee on
finance. but have an equal respect Tor the COMMITTED
on Incl AaiIs in regard 10 questions OF this sort, con
need with their peculiar duties choose in this case tc
look or information source rather than To the other
lhave not yet heard nlma ion that there any ground
of real objection to this clam The Objection to allow
Ing s that time has not been afforded Tor the purpose
o. asceainnE whether By any possibiliiy there can b,
found such objections Now, afi.r the deliberate inves
txrion wsieh has been made b. The Committee on la
dan Afars-afer having read thai report myself some
days sce, aud acyuescIng IN The correctness OF s state
nens and lis eonclusloDsl am unwilling that principle
shall be applied 10 this which not applied indis
Ultimately every other will be content at the
commencement Of the next session OF Congress to ses
Incorporated upon our rules one which will forbid occur
ences Of this sort Bot in the absence oil any such rule
with different legislative upon this class Of sub
ecis protest against the application OF that principle
oa claim which in my judgment stands 80 uhdlspuied II
mmeris as this claim does, merely because OF lis mag
mtude s4
Mr. RUSK The senator from Virginia rather beg
me question, and places these Two committees IN opposi
uon to each olher, il this claim was solely recon
mended by the Indian Committee, He siaies that ih
Committee Finance 10 report appropriations Deces
ay TO meet existing laws Well, sir, here Is an exist
ing aw,hs treaty between the government OF the uniie
sales and The Cherokee nation According 10 my mind
there is no doubt OF that. The ninth article OF tn
Treaty. which has been read declares that certain sums
aef the accounts shall have been properly stated, III al
ee paid TO this nation Now, when you Come 10 make VI
e account, you would naturally go the accounting OF
nees o the treasury ascertain the amount Well, sir
se accounting oheers OF the treasury have asceralne'
suns which has been subjected 70 tbeir investigation
en,ded ey ihs article Of The treaty and IL came her
Win no stronger au hoy than inis isci. that would b
sumcehuy strong 10 my mind TO induce TO favor ID
inclusion in this appropriation bill But more than that
you nave MOI only the obligation 10 pay the money
famed IN The treaty, but You have tue tIon from m
accounting omeers OF the treasury as 10 what tia
amountB which you are bound 10 pay Then you hav,
long and Iabored investigation By he Commtee ON In
dan Anars, with their unanimous concurrence in tb
justice OF this claim Now SIR that is ust the state
The question: Is not bringing up the mere report OF tb
committee, asking Il 10 be endorsed By the Finance Com
nree, but i is for the payment OF money due by law
because The treaty between The United States and N
Cherokee nation is law.
Mr. DICKINSON Any money due Justly upon
Clam u money due by law, whether it IS under a treat
any othe, service rendered. The position OF my col
asoe upon the Finance Committee the senator from ylr
una Vas, not that the Committee on Indian Affairs er
snoi " pom, OF position, that their reports wer
.uea 70 less consideration in their proper place; pu
,1;ceo ac",enueo hat they were out oil place here, and
,.'hk bls d,c,ineion was sound one So with In
wo!nmlee !e o. Clalms They may say, with great pro
puv, we are entitled 10 respect. We have IA much re
Iof mem, too, as Tor any other committee; but shall
nho IN some OF the claims presented TO them that mone
scuay duei Not So The position Of The senator fron
,usma was, that this vas matter which the commltie
nouu prng before the Senate, and have them act upo
nm ne Usual manner. Ii is not the duty of the Com
mIi'ee on finance TO examine this question They ar
GAINS, ~ every OF the term, whether they ars