The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1850-04-19

orable senator from Illinois mr. DoucIAsl that think
he displays more anxiety than is requisite upon the sub
II Is or is not necessary to admit California with with
out condition others may not be prepared L. sir, have
not looked into the subject enough 70 form deberate
comes up, then will be the time discuss the whole sub
ct With regard to the reference made p the honorable
senator's bill did not 90 out. Of the way to make i
The honorable senator from Missouri held up the little
bill and said, here is the whole of it," and thus
induced to make the reference did II is not in order up
on the amendment OF the senator from Missouri which
proposed an amendment, to go into the whole subject
That Is undoubtedly proper decision, according my
The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair may be misa-
ken IN regard to it, The Chair regards it as one OF the
most delicate and difficult questions which can arise to
decide whether remarks are relevant To-
Mt DOUGLAS, tinterposing) Will the Chair allow
Mr MANGUM. rise 10 a point Of order that the
Chair has has right 70 state his position.
.hond IL. - AZ VIII yeld 70 .ne suggesnon oat
The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair believes that he
has right to the floor, but will
Mr. DOUGLAS, Tin his seat) If the Chair will not
The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair will hear the
i Mr., DOUGLAS The point make is this: The mo.
ton made to refer the resolutions OF the senator from
Kentucky and 6f the senator from Tennessee The sena-
tor from Missouri Mr. BENT0K] offers certain nsruc-
tions which instructions bring up California in every
possible phase.
Several SENATORS No, sir; no, sir;
/ Mr.. DOUGLAS The senator from Missouri offers in
strucons, and the senator from Kentucky sub
stitute for the instructions Now, told by the sena
tor from Kentucky that can only discuss his substitute
insist that have right 10 discuss the amendment
well as the amendment TO the amendment together with
the original resolutions, which combine the entire SUBJ
ject The amendment to the amendment, the amendment
ITSELF and the original resolutions could not discuss
one without discussing the others It opens the entire
sa9s VICE II ef9if S i ne Sa n, .ho.
with IN fha of nrda fha
was made by senator The Chair was necessarily call
ed upon to decide whether it or not There
was no disposition upon the part Of the Chair to raise the
question OF order The question under consideration
was first the amendment proposed by the senator from
Missouri which was to except from the authority OF that
amendment offered BY the senator from Kentucky, pro.
posing that no instructions should be given They
were both therefore, negative in their character. Now,
from Missouri and the proposition to amend it. by striking
ont and inserting another in lieu of il, fairly under
discussion; but that nothing further under discus
sion II senator insists upon the point OF order, the
Chair thinks that il in order at that time to dis
cuss the merits OF the bill for the admission of the State
OF California. whether il did did not give away the
to it. That is the opinion OF the Chair and these
are the grounds upon which was formed.
Mr n WEBSTER, Gin his seat That is right.
OF the senator from Missouri be read II the subject OF
California is mentioned there, presume shall be in
order.
The Secretary accordingly read the amendments
Mr.. DOUGLAS. supposed that the instructions TO
separate each Of these things from the admission OF Cali
forna gave the Senate right 70 discuss the proprey Of
considering the things separately and the things jointly
that you could not discuss the propey Of connecting
not connecting without discussing the substance OF each
Mr.. MANGUM feel compelled to raise point Of
order
Mr.. DOUGLAS am now stating the grounds OF my
appeal from point Of order.
Mr.: MANGUM, (taking his seat) was not aware
that an appeal had been taken.
Mr. DOUGLAS. have stated that considered il me-
cessary TO discuss both separately and jointly the propo
sons. in order discuss the propriey or impropety OF
connecting them together That has been debated by
every speaker during the entire debaie and supposed il
had been said but as there seems 10 be an ndsposon
to grant it, will not trouble the Senate; and will with
M Mr.. M Miller wish TO make one suggestion with
regard to an amendment offered by the senator from Ken
lucky. IL appears 10 10 be unfortunate, in not meeting
the object il has in view, The senator from Missouri
slructions. The senator from Kentucky amend
by striking out the amendment oe red by the from
Missouri and declaring that no instructions shall be given
10 the committee; that the amendment not only strikes
out the amendment offered by the from Missouri
but, II adopted declares that further instructions upon
any other point shall be given TO the committee. Now
can that be done Take the proposition with
gard 10 bill: Suppose amendment offered TO a BILL
and senator strike the amendment and to
made to the bill. Can that be done The amendment
not only strikes out The other amendment but il goes fur.
her. Ii declares that further instructions shall be
given upon any other point Now, sir, by the rules OF
TIE Senate when resolution bill is under consider.
aton II may be amended al any time, until IL s passed
by the Senate. We cannot, by amendment, declare that
no further amendment shall be made. Neither can we
declare that other and further instructions shall be
given to this committee We strike out instructions
proposed 10 be given but appears to SIR, that we
cannot, by amendment, say that no other instructions
shall be given
Mr. BADGER obtained the floor, but gave way to
MIR. CLAY was about to say but lew words. OF
all Improbable subjects these questions OF parliamentary
law and usage the most so have had, in another
branch Of the legislature, some little experience upon
that subject But SIR, what is this objection that the
der TO my proposition The senator from Missouri pro-
poses ahrmatvely certain instructions propose TO neg
alive those instructions and any others Now. sir,
not al liberty 10 vote In the negative against the in.
structions offered II have right TO vote in the
negative upon hem have right to put that vote
in the form OF amendment to III But, sir, state
which every who has had three days service
in any dellberaive assembly knows perfectly we'll re
port is made BY committee, for example, upon a claim
lowed" Now, is anything than to TO
strike out not in such resolution and make il affirm
alive and r,ce rersa The only question 10 be con-
sidered, upon any motion OF that kind in parliamentary
law Is this DO you bring subject dIffereat sub
ect, an alien subject! II you do, il is not in order But
what is the case here II amendment TO PROPOSE
ton TO amend They precisely the same 10 their sub
ject they relate 10 instructions to this committee lhe
senator from Missouri says Give such and such nstruc
tons. My amendment says, The Senate will give none
II is perfectly germane TO the subject, and II il perfectly
consistent with all parliamentary law have ever heard
of in any deberatiye body.
Mr. MILLER | do not raise that point OF order, nor