The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1850-04-13

time when there shall be the requisite population, ans
Texas shall apply, we should carry out IN good iailh al
the sipulatons upon this subject in the resolutions o
il is not for Congress TO take the Initiative
and carve States without the request OF assent OF
the Stale from which they are taken, and without the re-
uusite popnlation TO authorize IT,
have rerained from engaging in the discussion which
has occupied the Senate almost exclusively since its COM
mencement and now omit many remarks which under
other circumstances would like to make. confnng my
self the Tor my vote, that we may have an inn
mediate vote upon the question. desire action de-
the time to come when we can have something else
than the neverendng discussion upon the subject oi
Mr. WEBSTER Mr. President, did not hear the
resolution OF amendment that was presented by the hon
intended TO propose ii this amendment disposed Of
! will ask the Chair to allow the Clerk 10 read it.
The amendment was accordingly read as follows
Provided, That nothing in this instruction shall be
sued to authorize the said committee 10 take into consd
Grafton anything that relates TO any OF the four following
Isl The abolition Of slavery within the States
3D. The suppression Of the slave trade between the States
"a The abolition Of slavery within the FORTS arssnals,
4th. The abolition OF slavery in the District OF Columbia
Mr.. BALDWIN lwish the original amendment also
to be read.
The amendment submitted by Mr. B. was accordingly
Mr.. WEBSTER. Ii is quite obvious that we are
making progress whatever The original resolution
was for reference Now several propositions are made
for lnstructng the committee, and work enough Is cut
out to last us for fortnight really wish that some
gentleman who has an interest in this matter, and has
considered It maurely, will devise some disposition OF il;
that we can vote for general reference OF the resolu
tons introduced by the senator from Tennessee or for
disposition OF this matter some how or other, and bring
70 s o. what s en- AN and
senator from Missouri opens the way for great deal OF
DISCUSSION, and we shall make no progress whatever
The VICE PRESIDENT Is the senator from Mas
aware that that amendment is not before
the Senate
Mr.. WEBSTER. understand perfectly well that i is
pending before the Senate but know also that
50 as the other amendment is disposed of, will
become pending wish, therefore, TO shape the matte
in some way to bring the action OF the Senate directly to
The question OF general reference or to lay aside alto
ge,her and proceed with the consideration Of the Caor
MIA bill before the Senate for really if 60 on in
in this way, and discuss all sorts OF questons shall
be at it for fortnight II the vote be confined 10 the
reference of the resolutions OF the senator from Tennessee
Mr.. BELL,l shall continue to vote as have voted
Mr.. FOOrE. Mr.. President, | do not wish to take
any leading part in this matter; but | may venture 10
say that, so far as am concerned and few Others
there will be difficulty upon this matter at all to the
form OF proceeding. certainly am not very anxious
that certain instructions which drew up should 60 to
the committee II is supposed by that have looked
into the matter that the resolutions OF the honorable SEN
ator from Tennessee MIR. BELL1 not quite com.
pehensve as they should be N order give to the COM
will suggest, what think may be looked upon with
favor all Sides and what am perfectly willing to ac-
tions for the committee at all, the motion shall be
amended to submit the committee the resolutions OF
the senator from Tennessee. Mr.. BELL] in conjunc
c es9ne hs Whole masp 70 their
TO make such alterations as they may think proper, !
perfectly willing for that course to be taken, and
will modify my own motion TO that effect, in order to
avoid further discussion.
MIR. MANGUM moved, as an amendment TO the motion
Of the senator from Mississippi that the resolutions Of
fered by the from Kentucky be also given to this
without instructions.
Mr.. FOOTE accepted the modification.
MIR. CLAY sgnihed his assent TO the proposition
Mr. HALE inquired il the yeas and nays had not been
ordered upon the amendment Of the senator from Con-
nectcut
The VICE PRESIDENT said that they had been, and
that the motion OF the senator from Mississippi could
only be Withdrawn by consent OF the Senate.
Mr.. HALE Then hope the question will be taken
Mr.. WEBSTER. There has been no ordering the
yeas and nays upon the general resolution.
The VICE PRESIDENT. They have been ordered
upon the amendment OF the senator from Connecticut
Mr.. WEBSTER. II the instructions are Withdrawn
ard the honorable member has right to withdraw
them--then the amendment falls, Of course
Several SENATORS. Certainly
Mr.. BELL. They are not yet, altered or amended.
The parliamentary law is clearly this: Eevery member
proposing an amendment or resolution before II is
amended, by vote OF the Senate has II at his discretion
10 modify or withdraw them altogether. II they are
amended once, they cannot be Withdrawn. II seems TO
me there is difficulty in this question ii the senator
from Mississippi thinks proper to withdraw his insruc-
tons then the motion OF the senator from Connecticut
tails, OF course.
Several SENATORS He can offer il as a substitute
The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair may be mis-
taken but think, by the rule OF the Senate, when the
question is Of the Senate. il cannot be
withdrawn without the consent OF the Senate.
Mr. KING. The usage Of the Senate has been TO per-
nit any gentleman 10 withdraw proposition after he has
made it, before it IL amended changed by the action oil
the Senate After any such amendment on the part oil the
Senate is made then IL is not In the power OF the mover
TO withdraw ii but until that is done, IL has usually been
permitted, without any dissent to withdraw the PROPOSE
ton But the Vice President is right 10 his supposliion
and IL there is any objection to the withdrawal It must be
done by the action Of the Senate ITSELF majority author
iZing such withdrawal
The question being taken granting leave TO Mr.
FoorE to Withdraw the instructions in his motion,
MIR. FO0TE then modified the motion, 10 refer
the committee OF thirteen together with the resolutions
of the senator from Kentucky, MIR CLAY1
Mr. BENTON. move 10 amend, by adding the fol-
lowing
Provided Nothing in this resolution shall be construed
authorize the take into consideration
thing that relates the admission of the State OF California
into The Union
And on this amendment call for the yeas and nays
The yeas and nays being taken upon this amendment,
the yeas were 26, nays IS, as follows:
YEAs.--Mesus Baldwin, Benton, Bradbury. Chase,
Clarke, Cowin DAVIS Of Massachusetts, Dayton, Dodge OF
Iowa, Dodge Of Wisconsin, Douglas, Fech, Greene Hale
Hamiin, Jones, Miller, Norris, Phelps, Seward Shields,
Smith, Spruancc, Upham, Wales, and Walker-26
NAysMesrs. Atchison, Badger, Bell Borland, Bright,
Butler, Cass, Clay, Clemens, Davis OF Mississippi, Dick
nson Downs Foote Hunter, King Mangum, Mason, Nor
Pearce, Pratt, Rusk Sebastian Soule Turney, Un'
dorwood, Webster. Whncomb and Yuee-B
So the amendment was rejected
The question recurring upon Mr.. FooTEs motion as
Mr.. BENTON then moved to amend the same, by ad-
ding the following:
g,opidsd That nothing In these Instructions shall be