The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1850-08-21
Mr. PosD-rhs report contains no such term o. black
Mr.. BAKR-But it contains the thing.
Mr.. PoNp-The tailors have a black list.


Mr.. PoSp-The tailors have q black list
Mr. BARn-Too many societies follow the practice.
Barr objected to was just exactly what suited him.
His idea was that the interest of the capitalist Is
tagonistic to the interest of the working man He
then saverted to the Journal Of Commerce showing the
great prosperity Of the Mormon settlement in one
column while the editor attacks socialism in another
forgetting that the Mormon system is just what is
called socialism There is ssrrcely man among the
capitalists who raises the cry Of socialism, that is not
practical socialist the president of a bank, the
holder OF stock in some other cooperative society on
a large scale.
Mr.. scArFr "a Germany opposed the resolution and
ideas OF MT. Price lie (Mr. Scaffe) was down on the
whole of the present state Of society. His view
that every man ought to be his own boss. Let the
capitalists in Wall street keep their money Let US all
go to work and let none be idle. He was opposed to
the cry for raising They areceived more wages
is cheated out of 81 for his rent and board and lodg
ing and the boss cheats him out Of So that in fact
he has only 50 left roars of iaushtsp SO that 50
would be far better for him than 50.
MI BAssETr said they could not expect to overturn
the present system in day 1t was to measures, not
not in favor of eenouncing capital or CO yitaists
There were some capitalists who were friendly to the
case of labor In the present state OF society, he
were possessed Of capital he would net be disposed to
lay IL at their feet.
Mr. BARn-I did not denounce capitalists. I object
their getting 4per cent from the poor man for their
capital
Mr. PoSp-They now get 100 per cent
Mr. WALSH do not agree with Mr. Scaffa, who says
he would have all become bosses II all become bosses,
who will do the work! (Laughter) The bosses of New
York the LATEST set Of fellows in existence Re
newed laughter) also regret that my friend oopo-
site occupies much time in talking of public land
We did not here for such purpose this, but
to do good to the working man. protest against
long speeches public lands and bosses Let bosses
be bosses Some action ought to be taken in keeping
delegates to the question.
The report resolutions we're then referred to the
committee OF the whole, when the reading again
called for and Mr. Pond read the document at length
Mr. WALSH moved that all relating to capitalists be
stricken out.
Mr. BAssrTr-Captel is not a hobsoblin from tho
botomless pit; for what Is capital but accumulated
labor! The difference is that the lazy an, who does
not work for it. has It, instead of the working
who produced II Capital Is wanted in all the relations
poration; could not purchase 1t ourselves Capital
is not mere money but everything accumulated by
labor.
Mr. DAY-I want TO have the order reversed Instead
Of capital debating to labor, let labor dictate to
capital
Mr. wnIrLrSe denied that houses and chairs and ia
bles capital. That only capital, which pro.
duced interest by lending 1t. The union of capital
Mr. soMrRvrLLE- Capital is COED thing but capital
IS abused Labor Is the parent and capital is the OF
spring The child dictates to the parent which ought
not to be- Thefreedom Of the public land is Of the
means by which capital may be prevented from i'm
s;sht bo.sds wppls easily be- oyercows Tbis
is not the for in the trade In which work there
were but four bosses during the year and yet they
capitalists, the better fer the cause Of labor. few,
with capital always produce monopoly against the
Mr. Ira DAvis-The true policy Of the labor class il
30 be consolidated in grand association ana thus
supersede all employers. sm even opposed to per-
owning greater number Of shares In associations
of labor than other members thus taxing the poor for
their luxures II the trades would sll agree, eash
man to give S. they could issue their own notes,
which would be better security than any bank.
have been connected with association for two
and half founded on this principle 1t was started
in So shares That principle must succeed; and 1t
will prevail In the end whether this Congress recon-
mend it or not 1 am opposed to all employers
previous speaker showed that when they Whitfield
down to few, they then greater evil than ever
for few may possess the entire trade, and the
workingmen be mere slaves II this the case
whore Would the magnificent palaces be that we nov
every side' 20 in for the in iivdual system
far 1t lie practicable go in for opening the pub
sys.em this would do good But still advocate the
association Of labor. A plan was suggested 70 the
throw of their and lay the foundation for
the emancipation OF all the other trades The plan
was from the association Of whish am member 1t
was this-Let them organize and unite and put their
Eve dollars together That would amount to capitsl
that would secure the entire business Then let the
operative society OF bakers fix some distant day to
commence. and. in the meantime, canvass customers
and establish bakeries in every ward then let them
go 60 work on their own hook They could 20 into
the marx cts Of the world and purchase the mate
rial on better terms than the bosses Could they not
establish merchants house for dealing In nour' estAb
lh their mills and their own farms, and thus
every man Would have to work or give "A equivalent
for what he consumes. I hope the report will be 80
modified as that tbs appeal to capital viii be struck
Mr. hsCARrHY-we will d. no good till We have
unity Of trades. II we had this. We could raise
100000 at any time for capital TIL this Is done IL
g idle to talk Of law reforms The trades want some.
thing TO fall back upon.
ADrrGATr- Gen ilemen seem to be justly alarmed
lest capital might to them from the capitalists
They need nt Be In the least uneasy on the subject
USughter)
II vas then moved that ths committee RISE and the
chairman report progress
Upon the motion Of Mr. DAY, the document
ordered to make out copy FOR the press, which he
neglected TO do.
A lengthy discussion here eusueJ In reference to
contested seat, which referred to . committee
and the committee did not report, because, as the
chairman Of IL, Mr.. Gregory stated the committee
Mr.. HAsiLros moved, that whenever there more
than three delegates present from sny society the
Chairman aud Secretary report the fact, and that
ofthem be allowed to vote till the number is
ductd 70 three CARRIED
Rotolved That this Congress deem II their duty TO
caution the public 10 general, and sesmstressss IN
partieuM against Nr con ana his a. eriean In
ssindng such persons a. may entrust IL With their
money.
Resolved That committee Of three be appointed,
10 consider the best method Of establishing ssso
citation for protecting the labor Of seamstresses and
the organization OF "seamstresses' Cooperative
Mr.. BAnn moved that the resolution be laid on
Cd. table.
Mr. frIcr -.ld u was the duty Of the Congress TO
upmssk every usn who got up a society to line his
oEn postot. ns moved That IL be referred to Q COM
mittee Of three. Adopted
Mr. PricE presented the foiloring report from the
ecmmittee n the IN AM ation 81 Mr. scsde
Your committee, TO whom referred the commu-
nication presented August 10. by Mr. scsne, have
carefully examined ssid document and heartily en-
dcrse the propositions embraced therein
Your committee consider this eommanication the
most important that has yet been presented for the
consideration OF this Congress. inasmuch as clearly
defines and sys out the plan Of cooperation, which
II put in practice would greatly relieve and elevate
the producing classes from their present ahect and
ssrvie condition.
n rlafniy shoya the preeent
difeulies and wrongs Of labor and clearly points
cut the remedy. that your COMMITTEES feel that fur
ther comment on their part s unnecessary.
Before closing. however we would urge upon this
Congress the duty and necessity Of encouraging and
supporting the grocery store spoken N In the commu
nisatons at the Of Brooms and Forsyth streets
a. being practical co-operstien establishment the
success Of which II triumphant reputation OF the
cant phrase Of the enemies Of labor, that working.