The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1850-06-24


dible and the next sentence could catch wssl-ws
have heard from Washington that the object Of this
m monstrsus, unholy, and unjust pratical expedition
been received at New Orleans that IL had landed At
Csrdenas which town was then in Its possession.
oiS, lord S'GvSmamIMy .hnd lord. am Sonfs di...
than mere disapprobation would be expressed by the
United States government when speaking Of tho
friend has raid and was glad to hear him the de-
signaion this expedition Is piracy and piracy Of the
r rorsa to ra,rx nS n ,Gs p6ney
small scale; but this is carrying are and sword with
all the horrors of open war for purposes of spoaton,
into peaceabe country In alliance with Americs and
with this country at all events not in actual aili
ance certainly in peaceful relations of amcsble inter
course.
The Marques OF fLASsDowrE-I said that the United
States government had not only looked upon the expo
cition with disapprobation but that they had also
taken steps TO prevent its setting out and had ordered
their naval forces to intercept and break IL up IL pos
sible
the noble lord was more satisfactory. But he could
not really understand how 5000 900 could BE
armed, trained, and sent of from country, without
the knowledge OF the government
The Earl ef ABERDEEr-I have not the least doubt
of the sincerity OF the United States government in
expressing their disap probation Of the expedition
against Cuba But this, must say 10 rather pecu-
liar circumstances. 1t is supposed that have de-
sire for the possession Of this place We ours have
been sfongy suspected Of hGping designs upon this
istand Of Cuba; and rseo!eef myself karins made .
proposal frenty years ago, (rhen they fsosgh ut suspect
Nc O hdftug tHidUJM Designs gsLdId1 tDhch 4
regret United States did not assent To- vas the only
thing uhieh think ey could hare done, than they
nov hase, 10 secure the Independence Of Cubs Ths
posdi 'ras at the Uned Ststes and France should join
vih us 10 rafee the possession Of the island Spain
The United States hoverer, did think 1T the time
join with in has guarantee hope that the forces in
the Island viii be found sufficient. as believe they
will be, to give good account of those buccane
who have taken part in this ex pedition.
Lord BRoUoHAM-As lawyer challenge esntraac-
ton to this proposition-That all civilized nations
bound to give help against pirates who are tho ene
and that the commander Of any British cruiser on
coast at the time, would be guilty Of neglect and
aid tn. ssansrds those prass.
h Of my noble friend
the noble marquess and which this Can he give
us no to tho about to be
BY our government with regard to this expedition
And IL known for time that il was inten
ed to send out such expedition, what nstruc tons
have been given to our naval commander upon the
West India station With regard to the proceedings he
The Marques Of LANsDswSE-I can distinctly state
to the noble lord that the matter has than
Minister and the American government; and have,
further the satisfaction Of assuring him that the
American government takes the same view Of the
matter that We do.
Lord srAsLrr-The noble marques does not seem TO
have heard my question. did not ask what the
American .-@vernment had DONE but what her Ma
jesty's government had done. asked whether any,
and II any what instructions had been the
admiral mandng tho station In relation to this
The Marques Of LA,spowrs-I am certainly not
prepared to answer question Of that kind without
notice having first been given oft.
Lord srANLrr-The nsbe marques, I am sure, will
do the justice to believe thatI knew Of this
question coming forward than he did but the sub
jcct was brought forward and Imagined that the
occupation Of Cuba not . subject that would be
viewed with indifference by her Msjestys government
1 did think that some Instructions would have been
sent out to Admiral the station and this house
has right to know whether that be so
The hsrquessof LA,sDowrk-AllI think 1t necessary
tA is III tIsft h.
tention Of her Majesty's government.
Lord srASLrr-Iave any instructions been sent out,
1t is contrary to the duties Of her ksjestys govern
ment-to answer such question For my own part
have to say most decidedly that think IL would be
Affairs, to give any answer whatever to the question
which the noble lord has put.
duty Of her MAjestys Government to refuse to give
any information; but say that II is the right and the
have performed their duty by taking any steps in .
matter which deeply concerns the honor snd the In
right to ask-I have . right TO have an snswsr-noS
to the precise instructions that have been
but but whether her n:lssty. so,ernment have thought
structions have been sent out
Lord BEAUMONT here rose, but Vas interrupted by
Lord STANLEY Lord Beaumont, however, persisted In
Lord sr.-Lsy ssid- Ny lords put squestion TO her
Majesy goyernment-iti is for them to give answer
or mott but let them say whether they viii give or
withhold the informationi
The Mnrqusss Of LA,.row,r-Does the noble lord
hinsslf, The noble lord behind me lord Bssumont
has right not only 70 make such observations as he
may choose, but also to ask question well the
Lord BrauMosr-I must say that am surprised at
the tone adopted by the noble lord opposite merely
marks ~ he has done on the duty Of the
but also at his pressing his quegtop upon her usjes
csivsd to the question which was originally put Ny
noble friend made answer that the subjsct under
the consdsratioB Of the government. and maintain
sDsver than that would be Indiscreet; and I rose,
therefore to urge upon my noble friend not to allow
any other answer to be given, becsuse with that
sver maintain t Is the duty Of the house to be con-
tent, In the present position Of Affairs.
Ierd bsoueHAN-f am not aware that there any
necessity for the rebuke which the noble lord opposite
has just administered 20 my noble friend near me ;
and am sorry TO see hs suffers 40 much under It,
Of this house s snytbng like the duty which my noble
friend opposite seems TO thisk IL isthe duty Of stop
TO rest satisfied with the Of he government L.
for one an perfectly .stis6ed with IT, because all the
answer that has been given By those members Of the
govtrnmept Who In the secret H. that there IL
tccret at all uaughter); In short think all that my
nsble friend has said amounts only TO roundabout
that he Know. sb.olutsy nothing op ~. ssb
ject CONTINUED laughter) But u u q subject on
which the government need have no delicscy. The
Law with respect to II is 80 plsir c. the exped
tion s prsticai expedition. and the composing
Il TO be treated pirates That there eight
tboutauu ot tnem d0es not MAKE them less pirates
than " there we're two-rAther that there are eight
thousand of them. only renders them dangerous
We are all sereed ss 20 the treatment Of pirstesus
~ the duty o every person TO seirs murderer 90
II !. the duty OF every State TO act against pirates 10
upon that sssum pton that the house approved Of
the conduct Of Sir James Brooke In the Indian Seas
where there were many hundreds Of pirates but their
numbers did not make them the less pirates.
The Earl Of Asrsprsv.-There 10 one consideration
which makes the question Of my noble friend perfectly
natural In present circumstances IL will be In your
ordshps recollection that during the whole prcpars
tion 81 this expedition have been on no friendly
relations with the Spanish government; and there
tore u very natural for him TO inquire whether not
ressrd 20 the affairs Of Spain, but regard 10 Britih
Interests has sd her Msjestys government far
take the proper steps TO cooperate against this pratt
cal expedition. III u could be supposed that our
alienation and enlargement from the spanish govern
msnt had rendered her Msjesty's government luke
warm In entrcising duty of this sort then q very
grave responsibility viii sttaeh 10 her Msestys 60
vernmert In consequence
Earl Grfr.-T do not understand tn. noble and
learned lord reTrest ntng this decste question
this side q the house Those who heard the observa
tions ~ my noble friend heard him condemn In. pro.
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