Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1841-1853, 1850-01-10


Cincinnati with her overgrown capital, would swallow up
the trade of central Indiana. The interest of the State
in the Madison road has been estimated $4,000 per
annum. Pass this bill and it would be greatly depreci
ated This bill would be far more disastrous in its effects
than the bill laid upon the table, would encroach
closely upon the interests of other companies He
would move call of the House, which was ordered.
On motion of Mr. Robinson of D., the call suspend
ed.
Mr.. Brown of s. thought il due to bis posi- ion as
representative 10 give his for his this
bill. When the Cincinnati bill under consideration
he opposed it, because it would inure the Madison
road, but because would interfere with other companies
appeared to be the of gentlemen oppose
eastern outlet in any direction. The gentleman from
Jefferson urged that trade would flow Cincinnati Shood
this be the case there must be reason for H. The
branch road fom bis towards Madison had fully
met public expectation. He in favor of sfording
market where the best prices could be procured.
Mr. Carnahan Of F. thought that il the spirit Of the
age. that capital should be left unrestricted Where works
will pay they should be permitted The policy of some
gentlemen that of Illinois which was refuse the
right of way unless Alton be made point This policy
had been condemned BY the House. Il impossible to
prevent The growth OF Cincinnati by al attempt to build
up Madison, AMI il policy not TO be tolerated to
spend all energies in the protection Of road.
Mr. Lane favored the bill.
Mr. Hills said, there already road from Indianap-
oils ID Richmond. This road intended to destroy the
Southern road in which the southern part of the Slate
much interested He considered struck at the
interests of Jacksonville New Albany and Evansville.
Ohio when the White Water canal 10 contemplation,
refused the right way and he, as native Indanian
not willing to destroy cities, for the purpose
of building up those in other States.
Before the question taken the amendment, the
House adjourned.
AFTERNOON SESSION.
Mr.. Holcomb, leave, introduced a bill amending the
road law far it relates Gibson county, read twice
and ordered TO be engrossed
The House. according to order, renewed the considera
ton of the Convention bill
Mr.. Lane moved to amend, TO provide for the
Senate apporiionment and that person shall be eligible
who is eligible seat in the neutrality-suspicious.
for 50 delegates to be chosen at the August election,
Mr. Elder moved that the amendment be laid upon the
table; which motion prevailed ayes 81, noes 35.
Mr.. Dougherty of B. moved amend that per-
son should be elected Delegate unless eligible 10 seat
in the Legislature
Mr.. Carr said, be wished to answer those gentlemen
who had planted themselves the Constitution. He
wished by few plain sedge hammer arguments show
their error He referred to the part of the Constitution
which authorizes vote for calling Convention. The
first clause that the shall be taken every twelfth
yesr-but ls49 the twelfth year. The twelfth
yearwoud be 1882 consequently the clause would not
apply; and in the whole instrument there not soa-
nv authorizing last years votes aud the gentlemen
Constitutional argument fall 10 the ground. He then
turned to the first part of the Constitution where the peo
pie expressly themselves the right of amending
and altering the Constitution. He then turned the
feature Constitution which declares that these rights
are unalenable-tha these rights retained in the hands
Of the people, shall forever be invoIabe. II under
authority of these retained powers that the House
sitting in judgment on this bill. If we acting
under the expressed letter of the Constitution, the Senate
have violated their oaths by sending bill here that doss
require Dlcg TO be to support tho Const
tuition.
lie asked, whether the people bound to
the question OF the Convention. Certainly not They
expressed that will freely and the Constitution
quenty, had nothing 10 do with it. he referred to The
manner OF changes OF government IN this country-they
hvt Nh acan Of fhae lash 0f
steel; bu by the silent movement Of the people If we
had to be governed by the Constitution, movement
could:be made except in % 49, so, and With
gard 10 the sold hunkers that bad been freely
used or youug hunkers, only question Of time.
He ad been in both branches of the Legislature
nine years. The gentleman had not been long
Der; but appeared he fair way of being one, il
he (Mr. CARR entitled to such appelIation. For
his part he cared not by what he called;
he had always been here by The voice OF the people,
and that voice would be stsd by any act of his.
He contending for the reserved contained
in CONSTITUTIONS for the principles Of that master piece
Of man. secund only the works Of God himself. the De-
caraon of Independence. He did stand here adj
the election of Supreme Circuit Judges, any
other class of but he stood here the adyo
cate of the people choose their Delegates without any
restrictions. He believed the people had the power to
amend the Constitution; but that power not defined
in the Constitution; but reserved sovereign right of
the people. lie hoped the bill would pass, as it came
from the Senate. The is usually called the ars
body but about 10 the order,
generally Defined by imposing restrictions on the Peo
pie which the Senate had not thought Of
Mr.. Dougherty of B., wished to occupy few moments
time before he and those who thought with him,
trely crushed by the that rushing them He
knew when he offered this amendment that he rush.
ing into hornets nest, and before the proposition had
been offered half hour the of the streets,
this city, witnessed several aristocratc conversations on
the part of those who wished be delegates but might
be prevented by the amendment He contended, that
proceed in original capacity, under vote at the
last August election, and define the time and place of
hat .oI ocha ho
he shall white he shall be 81 years of age that
shall reside year in the State, all these required in
the bill, in strict accordance with the constitution; but
when wish 90 a step farther, gentlemen start back
with holy horror with the declaration that coming
in contact with the rights of the people, The Senate
made all the restrictions he had alluded to, but when they
came the restrictions he had offered, they found they
might prevent their elections. He in favor of
throwing off the arsocratc feature that would permit the
oceholder, who might be interested in amendments OF
the constitution to participate as delegate He was in
favor of those gentlemen throwing Oft their robes OF office
that they might stand the broad platform of equality
If they wished to participate delegates Were gentle
lay aside their Offices there would be good reason
to believe that they unEuenced by personal consde-
ratons. He alluded to the clause of the constitution,
which requires vote of majority OF all the members
elected the legislature to make provision for conven-
tcn. Here a restriction contained in the constitution
for wise purposes Equally should we regard the spirit
Of the constitution in the amendment he had offered
Mr. Spencer at the outset was disposed TO favor tho
amendment but full investigation had induced him to
change his mind and he convinced that no re-
stricon should could be placed qualifications for
delegates. He believed with the gentleman from Law
renee that all power reference to this matter was in
herent the people, and could not be taken from them
The constitution requires every twelve years-but
a vote may be taken at any other time, and when so
aken the legislature bound follow the constitution
in carving out No clause in the constitution describes
the qualifications of delegate, and to his mind the right
of Judgment in this matter is reserved to the people.
Mr.. Alley said, that il has been subject CT much
thought, whether could be taken at any other time
than the twelfth year, amend the constitution 1t was
finally determined that could. The idea that the peo
Die could arise regardless of law the constitution, and
take vote for convention was without argument, un-