The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1850-05-30

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Thoee who aimed. by their efforts. to shut up die
cussion on this subject, were assuming power and
responsibility, under which he would uemble, and
called upon them to extend fair hearing to both
views of the subject. He protested against all
Effort to close the discussion. (Cheers and Kisses
PRRsIpKNT-I trust we shall have no repetition
of such unseemly demonstrations Of feeling
Rev o. b. JUDD continued, at some length, sub
ect to frequent Interruptions 10 enforce his views.
We have condensed his remarks, as we have done
those of other speakers-the voluminossness of the
debate precluding the possibility of fuller report.
After sort of conversational dispute, as to the
Eoint of order,
Rev. Mr.. WYcoFr wished all to have an Impair
tia opportunity OF expressing their views and, as
there would be many DESTROYS of dong so, he
would move that each speaker be restricted to ten
Rev. Mr.. BOWLING was in favor of the timing
system, and more particularly urged the fixing of
an early specific time to take the vote on the
question before The meeting. lie urged his views
In rapid colloquisl debate which followed, IT was
moved by different brethren, that the vote be taken
on Saturday, at 5 z. M, and on THURSDAY,
ted to 80 to Is and to 10 minutes in the delivery Of
each speech. During the whole of the time thus
consumed in arranging the preliminaries OF the real
debate, the excitement continued on the increase,
and brethren exhibited continually increasing
fear Of personalities being INDUCED At last, after
sharp skrmish, the sense of the meeting was ia
ken on these various propositions, and eventually
it voted, that each speaker be confined to 10
minutes in his address, and that the vote on the
resolution be definitely taken at II A. M on Thurs
day. Prelmnaries being thus arranged, the Pre-
sdent stated the floor was open for discussion:
Arrived at this point, the excitement which had
been gradually rising, quelled, and there was mo-
mentary lull, during which,
Rev. Mr. ARMITAaE, of New York, as a species
Of compromise, and with a conclatory object, pro-
posed an amendment to the resolution. as fellows :
Resolved, That it is the duty of the American
and Foreign Bible Society to circulate the Sacred
Scriptures in the most faithful versions that could
be procured
Rev. Mr.. DowLNe objected to the amendment,
as, if they rejected it, they would be liable to be
placed in an invidious position and yet they must
do So or they might be trapped into rejecting the
original question. Excitement gradually rising
again, brethren seeming afraid to allow any brother
to occupy the floor, lest he should abuse his privi
REv Mr. WEsTcorT, of Saltwater, moved that
the resolution be put on the table
REV. Mr.. CULVER strongly condemned the intro
duction of the amendment, as stopping the debate.
1t was at length Withdrawn, and
REV. DR.. BOWLING rose TO speak in favor OF tn
resolution, because he believed it would be inexpe-
dent to alter the present version of the Bible. He
was in favor of more literal and correct transla-
ton, and in preparing the Scriptures for the heather,
he would have every word translated, not trans
ferred. Baptf:o meant to immerse, and so did
the word baptise when first introduced into the Ian
guage. He was opposed TO a new version being
made by that Society, believing it to be no part OF
its duty.
REV. w. II. WYKoFr, Corresponding Secretary of
the Society, in commencing, disclaimed all person.
alties. lie believed all who had written on the
subject concurred that the present version of the
Scriptures was faulty and imperfectious; its errors
were such, that very little scholarship would suffice
TO expose them He would quote one familiar pas
sage: "IIe that eateth and dTinketh unwOrthily,
eateih and drinketh damnation TO himself" Now,
every man knew that this was erroneous that the
people attached the idea of the eternal punishment
offb no inn cnul while N such Instruction
was intended TO be conveyed II was Of no use to
urge that their original meaning was different
This meaning was hidden and would not be de-
yeloped by using these words in obsolete senses.
There were 20 900 errors in their version Of the BIZ
bic. He held that all in the Scripture should be
made plain and simple, even to the untutored mind.
He opposed the resolution. lie called upon them
as they adored the purity and truth of God, not to
Rev. Dr. HAGUE, Boston, lift my hand to God,
and, in the name of the Great Head of the Church,
protest against your doing that that my brother
has just invoked you to do He did not stand there
to speak much on the version, for that was not
the main question, although he might plead that
our Saviour and his Apostles found this despised,
erroneous version. The received version was good
enough for the Apostles. Then, he would say, a
version prepared by christian king and holy men,
-honored by the martyed dead, and defended at
the stake--a version, on the ground OF which our
own views on this head are common everywhere
is good enough for him and them. (Cheers.) Then,
suTposing new version were made now, on the
same principle Of the alteration of language, in a
few years they would want another. In the Dutch
version IL the present time, word was used for
baptise aigniy ing TO dip, and yet the minister, in
baptisinq, touched the child's brow with his wet
finger, and said, al dip thee" So that was the
meaning attached to the word dip, not fifty miles
from hence. Again, we know how words differed
in their meanings and application. The meaning
and application Of a word were totally distinct
board meant piece Of wood, having more length
and breadth than thickness, and Il was applied 10
I..x.l II n M
mon word, and every one knew its separate and
distinct meaning; but still il was applied TO nume-
rous other ihings-house of Congress, and COM
mercial house, nc. IL would not be lasting al
tcration If made. All the old writers say baptise
means to dip, but il has come TO be applied in many
senses. But the main question, after all, was ano-
Their thng--it was whether metropolitan board,
acting under society comprising lew hundred
members. should dictate TO the whole body OF
100000 Baptiss, in this matter The churches used
TO be consulted in matters concerning their interest
here there was no consultation. IL was Prepos-
ferrous, and for this reason, II Tor no oher he hoped
the restrictive resolution would be passed. Metro
politan boards, he feared, led 10 hierarches, and
these could not be suffered in Baptist body in re-
publican America.
Al this period Of the evening, the meeting ad-
journed, TO meet at the same place, at 5, L. Nj.
EVENING SESSION.
The meeting re-asscmbled in the evening nj the
same place; and. notwithstanding most Implying
storm of rain, the building was nearly as crowded
as IN the afternoon. -uCu was luc lutcftnt lth III
the pending discussion that, despite the weather, a
very large number Of ladies' were present. After
prayer, by Rev. DR. kennard, Of Pennsylvania
the discussion was resumed punctually at eight
O'Clock, by Rev. Mr.. Pollard, Of Massachusetts,
who moved that u e discussion be adjourned at ten
O'Clock, TO re-assemble on Thursday merning at
nine o'clock. The resolution having been duly
seconded and passed, and
Rev Mr.. TuRxnt1I. would in the first place
have a word to say in favor Of harmony and peace.
He hopcd, however warm the discussion might be-
come, that good fellowship would be maintained
among the brethren In respect to the point at ISSUE
he contcnded that the word which chiefly might
be considered 10 be the cause Of the movement for
a revised translation, baptize, was true transla-
ton Of the Greek, and that It's real meaning was
immersion. In its iransference from the Greek TO
the Latin, and thence into the English, II did not
change ts meaning; and IL had by long use become
incorporated in the language, and could not now
be considered an alien. II could not be thrown
out Of the tongue, any more than he, naturazed
American. could be forced out OF the American
nation. Ii had renounced its original origin, with
out losing its individual definite meaning. The
English language was composed OF heteroge-
neous mass of alien words. II was CLEANED from
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