New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1850-01-17
VOLUME IL,
FRANCE
social Discussions aud Political Matters.

,efsy here = Socialism .cussiur Nth itseil Tie
Government IS busy with the petty usultip .
OF perseca'iou. bat the people treat - ar5trm5
scis oi ,aw AMI order IS 2 i-al % ba-loess, e-
yaged IL serious thought. negccrs the aolsy quar-
res Of policemen and lltcrpe.oa besdes wl.a
uulucky beggafs and Unmanageabie urchins They
literally pass b. The acts n: the Assembly and u ~
islry as f the were y n importance 70 them
selves or rather. Of no certain durability lhi
false appearance Of indifference gives contdeI' @
70 tie react omar par,y who indulge n songs %;
JOY at the prosration oi tho monster which 80 r.
Gently alarmed them by rs voice Of thunder EHor
will deyour itself "a house divided cannot
stand 20" Socialism discussing with Itself has prov
ed i.s own sbsurdi;y /" 8" give il rope enough aid
i wil hang Itself" Such are the comments Of lie
friends + order on the general discussion ~
which LOUIS ai.c and Pierre Leroux and severe!
other leading Socialists sre engaged. with
Proudhon ~ their common adversary and ants D.
nis, The people are intensely Interested IN tie
ooutroyersy Many Of the middle classes follow
the discussion with mixed emotions Of hope End
doubt ProudLCn is the iayorite or rather The at-
rnired Of the latter Louis Blanc AID Pierre h..
rorx Il the former The generally. howcver -
the working.meu arc seriously weighing argumen s
on either side. and prof,ug by the developments
q principle aud theory on s0cI al and political qur-
lions proudhOn's theory az annrchlsm or 10 gov
eminent has caltivated general attention i =
siwpiv the individual freedom principle 81 social
/ mud iuduhtfa, economy admitted and acted upon
ia England and Arnerca but il i, not tie Jess Iov-
e. and important here in France, where ever
thing Is watched aud regulated by ponce and na
post in'erv eDtion and obstruction u von want 20
travel rou must have . passport Il You wish Z
keep store. YOU must pay for r license you
wish ~ keep a school. you must have MYERS :.
Diploma and Government perInis ia fact,
Government is not administration ard police alone
bat an iutoerablo spy and iaeddler IN eyihin e,
~ every momcut. Il is tbs rlIu0'sly costly 'nt
Obstructive system Of Government thai Proud 10
wishes +, dcnosh The most Intelligent part o
tho political economists are joining IN with him 30
he crusade az ai.st TIE system IIcIcfc Has'' a.
,le friend and E. lower Of Golden. has proc nm.
himself in the Assembly the opponent OF cxcessitc
Government as firmly aid Is uneQmvocaiiN as
prJu hon. HIS speech against tire tax cn WIGS
and spirits produced au i'umouse e4ec, ~ o."
Chamber yesterday. Il IS doubtful 4 the Ministry
81 no, be disloceted b. this question The mo'af
ty is sand O. be uncertain on this one point .,"
Socialists ore not the Ouiy party s'og Of au cT' ,
slyev obstrIc .lve system Of Gespotc ceutIaisai I'D.
There IS risinc aud numerous party of Reio ~
CPS u Da
ton l. i likely 20 become more io-W'ss o. i.s
ouV0-tion than Socialism rs. Il or IA" tsmc i-
tn more So rs nearly all shades OF Socialists 0iA
ioin H. They look upon Il rs movement iu .i,e
r.,ht direction, though no; sufficiently progress
a. bc fna' The SCIENTISTS ~ France WA JOIN "
middle class Rciomers, rs tie Chatls'e - E'lI.
lave ,oinea the Golden movement Of ..ns, c
reform
The discussion between Prouauou and the ,,l
irr Communists . NOR Z wer c words TIA. W
ideas II, speaks OF It,gt. ~ more or i'-s ..-
agcratcd LANGUAGE they speak a unity, Nod a. p.
ta'cs a. fraternity ~ u de'.rL tcrGs. Both
ties gam bV the ilscu ssion, icsJnGcn ~ T. 'uu t
5 obirsd 20 mo,iity his definitions and explain Is
iaeanil- with regard 70 necessary functions o
e.llnini sirafI1u md collective order LOUIS b.-Hr
and Pierre LcrouS ar gradually lowered from FIJI.
-eoions az vaguc speCu atom mo tho rifc' ,i
World Of spoutouoity and Individual oSP"n-ibIi.
The people generally profit y tie controrers It
more wevs than one. They lose che supersut 70 &
o. men-wolslp. SIS they learn lho positive idec 81.
their tavorte leaders aud the vog1e short CON
of each system and each ch."' The Ccmmu.'-.s
VIII understand the n dts o.iudlyidus liberty as
,r-,,,.h,d from the wlsu.s II i;dsi iuai im"un a.
aad irrcsyuus bty tho rrcu .hOns VIII learn .ii'
~. renee between collective unity aui a'1t -!
discipline. ina irce association snd sdminis;ra' rii
AL parties win progress from general ASPIRATIONS
an1 i. defined theories = positive IDEAS o. hb, g.
AID order in hi'ler state % general ptosres- BE-
and development.
II is hardly worth while 90 speak 81 the Assem-
biz and lhe Government They axe wo'iJa o.
The dark 20 rain liberal IDEAS. and undermine 2 r
Institutions of Republican creation. They ch 10
with tcl..lt 1t tic facility with which their obs
succeeds. "a seems - prosper While they tc
with fierce alacuty the publications Of their {. err
ssrics they multiply complacontsy the SHY lf9sA of
tic own quill New journals and new Sab
locations issue daily from the press OF priv eyed
suihority, and the heh Pnosts Of Nainmon con .o
sccud % preach II MINOR pup'S and small VIA 'r'
The President OF the Assembly, Moss a.. goo,
writes the leading article OF a new weekly 'olla.
L, M-ssaFcr de ~ ScraGil-. destined 10 feed shc
middle aud the working classes with the doctl-.s
81 privilege and government monopoly so ltcf's.
ia and 50 profitable 20 the friends oi order, '
are rich and pous and resigned to suffer al inr
lis Of arce rent rullS high salaries, and 'amiy a'
lection for themselves in tins world and for eve
body else Il God be willing, N the next IL : YEA
Is astounding ~ read the writings q; these set
deladed men. They write 20 satisfy themselves
ii the legitimacy Of their privileges and the lnis
pensabil.tv Of their existence class o. ~ crs
in society They g'ost On the advantages oi tleT
pos non ana persuade themselves that they con
vince the unimtiatcJ public OF the iathomiess pro
.uniity of their practical and common sense
philosophy, Louis Philippe was deep "o'd fi,
but thew look upon him as weak Old ma. Who
lost his crown because he trusted ~ his own ol-l
ions more than 70 Their wise suggestions 4nty
are literally dreaming Of returning 10 noposs or
by-cone iuvcuiities The current oi ide6s - ;i-.r
nteleCts has nothing ia ooIag,ou with the CO. 20
tons Of the working classes. Their clouds O..
thought rolling NJ an opposite direction from Tia
under currents Of opinion which rush steadily acl,
the surface OF the earth in the great atmosphere
~ mind.
Ia tue official sphere OF politics we learn tnsT la
n is stu rs far removed rs ever from set Il
state a. order. Prussia Is internally asl!Sted I'D
externally besct with difficulties England IS We n
ing for herself alone. as steadily rs she S able, au'
the other States OF Eurupc are Intriguing ousy Tor
conserN atiou, and little nibhEng sgrandizenen'.
general and expansive policy i nowhere scon-
II may perhaps be dimly be IN Russia. but rs
,oomiucs are ~ shape.ess 70 be graphically traced
The masses are engaged N Illuminating Plans 81
National Reform without regard 10 higher cues
tons oi development winch Intervene 10 moiiy
the dreams Of isolsted progress ant refneiae al
Political and S,,Cial questions have been h.ihcit1
discussed on the too narrow srvrnds Of Nai-o.a.
ECONOMY W taout regard 10 higher 'leNss OF a..-l
IA Eprope and America. Eastern aud W esiefu
communication and communion. hussisn a"d i-.'-
ciish ambition Turkish and Egyptian lndepcnitn-
cy, American and European Republican in'e-'o"-
sion in tue naovem ats Of the age, are MOI YET fc
era.ly t4ousht a. IS proNlmstc SNeatusuncs. iui
rh,ss ~, loak ehaa8 must be prepared Tor many