The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1850-08-29


the previous question Neither would they tolerate The
laying Of that proposition upon the table, ia pursuance OF
ina. rule un The false and improper impression made
ty the speech should be answered Sir. the whole OF
the gentlemans argument goes upon the idea that We,
alter nearing an improper speechone calculated to mis-
lead and deceive. lacking both purity patriotism should
apply proper remedy To error OF that sort
Now, SIR, can an argument OF that sort prevail And
must we mol suppose that the intelligence OF the Sen
ave- me PATRIOTISM q The Senate would not permit any
portion OF the country TO be deluded by improper and
deceptive argument without Teutlng with proper
swer. Well SIR if the gentleman would only exercise
that appreciation which think have, and which sup
pose he has, loo-for imagine the remarks he has made
have only proceeded sort OF OH hand shot, and
missing the mark as conceive--if he had only that
esteem for which | conceive he must have, he
knows that we will not permit any one TO make
an improper and decephous Argument calculated to
produce mischief in the country, without allowing
an answer, The only effect. therefore, under the
rule have offered, is to put the amendment and the
debate upon the amendment, within the power OF the
body so that II the members themselves conceive il 10 be
so irrelevant and improper that they ought not to besow
hme to be taken up in It's consideration, they may have
II IN their power TO dispose OF H. That is my view OF IT,
think will have beneficial operation to that effect,
and think we might give II trial know that great
many persons are opposed to all Innovations, but |
thought that the party OF progress was sometimes in
favor of Innovations; for if have innovations. we
have progress; and il 10 remain from now to
the end OF time under the influence OF the old rule of
laying the main proposition upon the table because We
want to dispose OF an amendment, will have legis
latve progressno legislative reform. am in favor OF
progress so far as to try this little amendment
Mr.. BUTLER Mr. President, should regret il very
much if this amendment should pass. i know that an
impatient majority will always regard anything neon
venient that stands in their way have no doubt that
such majority would be glad to all the laws
view to attain their ends at once. But sir, have very
great respect for those very Inconvenience which have
been alluded TO- All these delays have conservative
operation should be very sorry should pass such
a system of rules 10 economic our time TO allow
measures to pass with too much rapidity. There is
more danger in celebrity OF legislation than in any de-
tn hch nnrrrv Ia hIapt
Why, Sir, all free governments must necessarily be in
their organization and application different from simple
monaschcal or despotic governments. We have two
legislative houses Our justice is administered through
jury Our system is almost unntegibe to the continent
tai nations of Europe. They scarcely understand it.
This very obligation q fixed mode Of proceedlng-of
having your bills read three tmes-yOur amendments
discussed, and OF having amendment control bill
is OF the greatest securities feeble minority
gations-these apparent Inconvenience do you
do! You subject the minority TO the arbitrary will OF
majority. accidental at the time; because, far
CARDS amendments let genemen discuss them much
they choose this resolution, il adopted will operate
call OF the previous question A gentleman may rse
and offer amendment, not altogether acceptable 10 the
y is anxious TO reach the end at Some member
TO lay the amendment upon the table, TO get the
inconvenience ont Of the way They may go on and eff
place. II might have turned out that different views
would have been entertained respecting it | ask
gentlemen to pause before passing this amendment And
favored by those Who'll will not say have Interior
views, because do not believe the senator from Ken
lucky has any such views as those to which alude--
but do say that this obligation IN our rule operates we'll
II operates to delay legislation TO raise attention, and TO
prevent that fearful celebrity which sometimes effected
without due consideration.
MIR CASS. One word, MIR. President, and it is simply
to express my qualification IN finding able convert
the senator from Kentucky TO the doctrine OF pro-
gress had not expected such efficient aid from that
quarter, and am therefore the more gratihed | agree
with the senator that there to believe that
parliamentary law is the best in the world. believe
that there may be progress under that law well any
other 1t is not enough that have had it in in the
Senate and the House of Representatives Ii should be
rational as well as practicable. If il is now erroneous,
let US change it. do not see that II will produce very
fearful consequences one way or the other am not
afraid OF change in parliamentary law do not sup
pose there Is senator upon This foor stationary
conservative 10 say that the laws should never be
changed do not that there any danger OF putting
an end TO free discussion. | believe the people know
great deal they learned from Congress- and be-
leve il not word said here they would be fully
competent to Judge of the questions before II did
not believe would not have that faith in the perma
nency OF our institutions which now have. But do not
believe that the change would interfere with full discus
sion. The senator from South Carolina talks about ce
erty Here IT is the tenth month OF the session. and
have actually done nothing II this is CELEBRITY, should
like TO know what slowness is II is matter OF repro
baton all over the country that with such ex-
IRENE slowness. When we have had a question before
the Senate and the House OF Representatives for two
three weeks and when it has there been considered by
many minds, varously constituted If Solomon Tim.
self should come down. be could not add pew idea and
scarcely new word, IL is nothing but repetition after
repetition This is human nature, and cannot be other
wise. The subject is exhausted; and il does need
this repetition for the American people 10 understand
the matter have nothing TO do with the mechanical
part OF this resolution appears to very reasonable,
and yet very decisive do not perceive that IL would
have much cecr upon he question OF free discussion
bill may now be laid upon the table, when amendments
made which destroy its usefulness and il is
proposed 10 separate the amendments from the bill In
stead OF stopping discussion would provoke IT, because
you could put amendments upon the table. and dis
the bill without being ctogged by the mendmeDts
seems TO me very natural and proper rule That when
an amendment should have been under discussion
proper time, you should be allowed TO dispose OF il with
out touching the bill itself shall vote in favor Of it
Mr.. Blu TIER. Mr.. President did speak OF celebrity
as hazardous. think delay has had ils advantages.
Perhaps the senator from Michigan and myself have
taken different views of The which have been
suspended might be satisfied If they had been delayed
forever and never had passed There might have been
other measures to occupy our tune better Tor the interests
OF the country But the senator thinks il would have
been better have passed them upon single day with
single reading, and perhaps withou, single speech.
Mr.. CASS, lin his seat) beg your pardon.
Mr.. BUTLER continued. ] do not know how far we
at extremes am tor delay, thinking iha, mschiev-
measures are likely 10 pass; and he not thinking
them mischevous, there is difference OF opinion. His
tory must decide between The senator and self whether
II would have been better pass these bills quickly, or
longer, rather than to have passed them But did not
refer TO thi, at all when spoke OF delaying legislation
We have delayed and do not suppose the facility az
foded by this resolution would have been wise counsel
know majority might have adopted II very easily but
regard all these delays incidental 10 Legislation
for the minority to avail themselves OF this protection
/ vtah IN oh that linda