Daily Richmond times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1849-1850, 1850-01-10

have been able 70 maintain herself throughout the past
year; and if she had done So believe that the sympa
thcs Of Europe and of the world would have been so
excited in her behalf as, perhaps to have obtained for
her substantial and advantageous and
aid than that OF calling from the Court Of Austria
charge d'afaires whom we have sent there.
Sir, unfortunately, owing to causes upon which it is
not necessary for me to dwell some of them OF
very painful nature-among which charges against
the commander-in-chef of the Hungarian army, which,
if we'll founded must cover him with inamy-uniortu-
natey, hungary fell suddenly, and to the surprise OF
the American world. She is subdued she is crushed
Now, if we adopt this resolution, have been curious
to satisfy mysefupon what principle vindicate it.
What principle does il involve 1t involves the princ
pie OF assuming the part of this Government right
to pass Judgment upon the conduct OF foreign Powers
branch of the subject that has been well treated of by
the Senator who sits before me, (Mr Hale) Have we
any such power2 The most extensive bearing of the
principle involved in the resolution proposed by the
honorable Senator from Michigan assumes the right on
the part of this nation to pronounce upon the conduct
OF all other nations and TO follow up by some direct
action, such tine suspendng intercourse. We d.
recng at present the exercise OF that power towards
nation on account of the manner in which they have
conducted war, OF the manner In which they have
treated the unfortunate prisoners who taken during
the progress ofthat war;. But where is to be the limit
gu begin with Youmay extend the same prin-
cple OF action to politics region-to society or to
social principles and habits
The honorable Senator before me (Mr. Hale has
spoken of the conduct OF Russia and undoubtedly as
between Russia and Austria, consider Russia the
most cuPable 1t is true she had pretext for her in
reference She afraid OF the eonagion ofDery in
Hungary, lest it might affect her coterminous posses
sions. That was the pretext for her interference In
the case however, Of Austria though think Hungary
Ws right and Austria wrong in respect to the and
object Of the war; still there relations existing be-
tween Hungary and Russia Russas interference, then,
was voluntary spontaneous, uncalled for She had no
such preext ground for it Austria had endea-
vorng to subjugate those whom she was pleased to call
rebeous sets; and yet the honorable Senator has
permitted Russia pass-and y-he-by, allow me to
say that but for the interference Of Russia Hungary
would have succeeded. She had succeeded, and she
would eventually have riumphed in the struggle with
Austria The honorable Senator, instead Of directing
his proposition against Russia, as would have DONE
directs against Austria the least offending Power OF
the two, and proposes pass Russia by unnotced but
the principle contained in the proposition be true we
have rghtto examine into the conduct of Russia and
into that OF other nations Where then, is the limit
You may extend it to religion. You may extend it to
the nquston. Have we not an equal right to say to
Spain, unless you abolish the nquson we will suspend
diplomatic intercourse with you? The honorable Sen
ator stated that he had visited Constantnope twelve
years ago that he there the present Sultan sur
rounded by all the PRIDE pomp, and circumstance OF orr
enta power lie saw him crossing the Bosphorus Sir,
the honorable Senator went to that country under dis
tnguished auspices. would be glad to know whether
he saw any portion OF the palaces whether he wasi
United to sight of the young prince who sitting
upon the hrone The Turks have very peculiar notions
know there are apartments in the palace in which
vulgar foot has ntruded which no vulgar eye has ever
beheld
Mr.. CAss: did not distinctly hear the question of
the honorable Senator.
Mr.. CLAY. The question was, whether my worthy
friend had visited certain apartments of the palace Of
the Sultan
Mr.. CAss. The honorable Senator will allow me to
say Vat in that capacity will yield to him. Laugher
Mr.. CLAY. had been there-ifl had been placed
in the advantageous circumstances which the honor
able Senator placed, think it likely should have
had an opportunity OF inspecting every portion OF the
palace that desired to The honorable gentleman
went there not IN the capacity of minister TO that
Court but he was then minister at the Court of France,
and was conveyed in public vessel. have no doubt,
If he desired to do he could have answered the ques
ton which wanted to put to him-that is, how many
wives had his young triend, the Sultan Laughter.
r. Mr. CAss. That is question which the honorable
Senator from Kentucky doubtless much more capable
of answering than l ann. [Renewed laughter]
=. Mr.. CLAY am very sorry Icannot obtain speci-
tic repty from the gentleman. Ihave advered to this
TO show, that if we adopt the principle which is en-
braced in the resolution of the honorable Senator from
Michigan there is limit or restriction as to the extent
to which we may go in our Investigations of the
duct OF foreign nations and to the extent may go
In pronounclng judgment upon that conduct We may
say IN reference to Turkey your religion toerates po
ygamy unless you change your religion, and your ha
bits OF social life, will cease all intercourse with YOU
Where appeal TO the geDteman to say, is to be the
limit, 1t we undertake to pronounce Judgment upon the
conduct OF nations, and to regulate intercourse with
the!n according to the estimate that we may form Of
their conduct
But have spoken of the more broad and obvious
tendency OF the principle embraced in the resolution. 1t
contains one that is, IN my Judgment, of still more
questionable nature, and that u.s. the assumption of the
right OF interference in the internal affairs of foreign
nations Now, SIR, although Hungary was entitled, as
an independent Government, to direct her domestic
cerss, there nevertheless existed political connection
between hungary and Austria. The House of Haps-
burg were the lawful soyeregns the more especially as
they were originally elected by Hungary. distinc-
uon should be drawn between the when civil war
exists III torega country and when the has temi-
mated. The present very different case from that
where war is still pending, and where there is go
vernment capable OF exercising sovereign power
There is wide difference between the present case and
case OF that kind. Where government exists we
have right TO recognise that government and to inst
ute diplomatic relations with that government; but the
in which the honorable Senator invites us to inter-
fere IS case where Independence has been lost He
does not regret more than dono on earth regrets
more than do, that the independence OF Hungary has
and Austrian powers laid to the language of one of
the documents referred to by the honorable Senator
bleeding at the feet of Russia. The war is at an end
Hungarian liberty is destroyed There is no Hunea-
upon, then by the honorable Senator to interfere with
the government Of the internal CONCERNS of foreign
palon--o interfere between Austria and portion of
her empire and we are called upon do this in direct
contradiction to the whole policy of this Government
first laid down by Washington and pursued by every
successor he has had down to the present day. And
SIR II we were to permit ourselves to interfere in cases
OF this kind, where, again ask, are to stopl Why
should not interfere in behalf of suffering reland3
Why not interfere IN behalf of suffering humanity
wherever we may find it? Why not interfere in ali
cases enurnerated by the gentleman from New Hamp-
shire, and particularly in the case Of Rome as suggest
ed by that honorable Senator do say, without mean
ing TO disparage in the slightest degree Hungarian vaor
that in quarter OF the world considering the differ
ence in numbers engaged in the between France
and Rome, was there more galantry and heroism dis
played than in the contest for long time doubtful
contest that was carried by Rome in repelling the
invasion OF the French. 1t said by the enemies of
Rome that they were divided But every manifestation
every particle OF evidence that reached me on the sub
ject demonstrated that people were ever more firmly
people of Rome in the establishment of that revolution
which French power and French Intervention suppress
ed. Sr,t we are to become the defenders of nations
the eensuers OF other Powers again ask the honora-
BILE Senator where are we to stop and why does he con-
fine himself to Austria alone2
Mr. President, the honorable Senator admitted that
he entertained an apprehension that was one of those
stationary politicians who refuse to advance as the age
advances; one OF those politicians think his expires.
sion was, that stands STILL that he was in favor of pro-
m ahao1 T -.