New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1850-06-01

an individual Society hereupon retaiates oy 'aA'
ing bis life, and in the process Of accompanying
fhts uengeonce incurs the suffering nave snVer'eu
10. II il the individual who directly suffers from
the act az the criminal. Society suffers from IT'S
own vjndictive spirit or from the onerous' demon
slzine. and therefore futile penal machinery "nch
that snirit engenders. Thus, so long as society
nanifests It's instructive and righteous abhorrence
Of crime only by Furnishing the criminal ihs'1auG
reforming itself so long must the Disine - -
depce stamp it's methods vicious, ny MAKING '"7..
react disastrously upon It's own interests. 1ou
a. inwsrdy great as TO be quite unaffected oy ma
terial or sensible magnitUdes. HIS power, s3o
evedepborg shows greatest Ia that "nicn Is
least and least In that which y gres'cS''
rnicroscope in other words, is better reFe'a.lgn
of il than the telescope. Hence ne puts ,ne n'sr'
est value upon Man, the microoosH'' y n.y. -
connsratiyely low In fact am LED 70 oehe'o
g., a. ce,es not whit for Society," save as the
-, md plav.ground Of the individual lie
Vvbenever therefore, Society grows tred OF her
service and sets herself up for the mistress oil Man
He will be sure 70 expose her folly ana reduce nv.
by sharp suffering TO the more ana more Po''00'
ministry Of the individual life. ,,:..;.
A lis really amusing that you should persist IA
inviting me TO admit Prof Webster wrong ia hiui-
deripg DIR. Parkman, and the sdnlterer "ron5 "a
violating the marriagebed. not only Heeiy anu
fully admit these and all similar wrongs oo' a'i-
also deeply interested in probing tneir causes ="
cond;,;ons With view 70 their complete extihc-
80. wb;cb ia branch Of my performance as II
seems to me that you are somewhat shy o. sure
H. !, ,,ere better 30 render the law complete
suiritual fu6lment than 70 be forever ineDc
,venong It's infractions. The spirit oil the "a" Is
that man should do unto others rs ne "ouIu nave
,horo 40 unto him Nov, Al snoiSty "oiO 70 re
:.if fer this spirit, and so exactly eqIahIe
lis privileges to every member, as that none shoua
be tempted 20 violate anOthers property 90 you Dc'
think il would be more wisely set 70 "oiA 'ndn ~
now is, in immuring so many oi us unhappy Oh.
sprinr in prison, choking their sous out Vi tu9
,trngolin9 bodies1 Well this IS the amount Of
INV claim upon IT, All that any one asks OF society
ia that il cease PLAYING the sycophant 70 uck ana
the bulv 70 misfortune and at once begin 70 recog
pize and serve that true human worm IN every
man which no luck can communicate ana no IBIS
fortune obscure. o4 go.
But after all, j apprehend that we nave 20. ye'
reached the very core OF our dlleicHog' co -
sav in conclusion Of the passions OF tne the' inU
dercr and adulterer proves that you regard crime
AZ an inward and subjective trait OF humanity % as
a nbenomenop OF mans relations 10 himseh' ra'uc,
than az purely outward experience PneTSoiio'la
exclusively Of bis relations 10 Other men ine y
end crime denote some inward corruption OF the
snbect some positive interior difference OF nature
be,weep him and other men, which gives nm
comparative inferiority TO the latter IN the DIVINE
regard In my next paper l shall endea'or % uo
r0nstrate the unsOundness OF this cOnceplioh anu
prove that vice and crime are simply pervetslons
Of mans true individuality, wrought by the tyranny
of Nature and Society. H. j.
Reply.
After reviewing all II. T. has offered under his
frat count we still believe that he argues in favor OF
curing crime by merely calling it no crime ana tna'
we cannot agree TO. 1.-The only seeks TO cure crime
hv ;nducing healthier moral state in the criminal
we agree with him most heartily. Better one such
cpre than ten condign punishinents. But abolish
ing Adultery by simply making Marriage dissolu-
Bile ON the declaration OF the married PAIR zone OF
both Of them) that they no longer have lor never
bad true affection for each other, would be no
abolition Of Adultery, but simple and sweeping
liberation Of il, which would lead to general cor
ruption and debasement Such is our deliberate
INDICTMENT. II. T. has fully expressed his view Of
the matter We cannot perceive that further ar
gument on this point would be profitable Inc
reader has both sides before him, and will Judge
whether we have Inexperienced or mistaken
our opponent. Let US pass on.
Q Crime, as we view it, seldom results from an
excessive friendship for somebody eise-it gener
suv has its origin in an allsbsorbing reckless ego
t;sm or selfshness Lovers OF pleasure more
than lovers of God, is sn old way of stating the
case-there may be better, but that strikes US as
good We heartily wish every one were SO
trained and enlightened as to realize that he can
not possibly promote his own happiness by DISC
bevine any law of God ; but many do not realize
it, and hence plunge into the abyss of sin and
crime. We think it morally wrong in them to do
no. and can't see how their passions can be intrin-
sically pure at the time of such transgression In
such manner as to have any practical bearing on
the questions here at issue
g. The individual transgressor-a murderer, for
instance-is a special sufferer by reason OF his
crime not merely in the OF vindictiye taking
of his life by Society but just clearly when he
is treated with the utmost compassion and iorbear-
ance consistent with the public safety. Let him
be arrested and confined in prison from no other
feeling or purpose than desire to prevent his
committing and others suffering further murders
and stin he suffers specially in consequence Of hi
crime. We submit therefore, that H. I. has no
evsded the dilemma in which, by pursuing his owl
train Of reasoning to its legitimate conclusions
we placed him in our last
A. We perceive no profit no point, In what II. J
offers under this head, as bearing on the matters
difference between us. II would be difficult to Fl
any distinct and pertinent meaning to what he say
upon it that he would not instantly rePudia'e as
peryerson or q caricature. II he be held TO mea
only that men properly trained from birth and tn
roughly enlightened as to the nature OF the Dlvir
Law and the absolute personal necessity Of obeyia
its requirements, or suffering its penalty, wou
never violate its requirements, We make no obje
t;on to the statement but say, Let US try the e.
periment and See Undoubtedly great deal
GOOD must result from the proper and thoroug
training of each human being in aPerfectly orga
ICED and Diviney modelled Society. We make l
objection, then to anything that may be offered