The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-10-18
Court OF Oyer ana Terminer.
Before Judge Edwards and Aldermen Ingersoll

GROSS. examined Knew Roe some six seven months
before be took the house from him in Roxbury took
possession the 18th November 1886 did not kuow
Young st that time did not see Young from July,
1S47, until he saw him in Massachusetts, prison Wit
tick and unable to attend Young trial saw
him in the State Prison in May last did not get
written order to see him any one who pays quarter
Of dollar, can see prisoner did not make any
ments In writing otherwise relative to this affair
to the time Young was pardoned when Roe cane back
from New York Kellogg called on witness respecting
what he knew Of the transaction kellogg did not say
who sent him CARAT. Kellogg Pearson, and witness
ness was at the Westchester House on Sunday. with
Young, CARAT, and Greeley dropped in there aoc-
dentally walk Was proposed and they went in there
did not know he going to the Westchester House.
until he got there did not Kellogg Pearson
there; know John p French or Sergeant never
was In New York, until he came on to this present
trial when Roe gave witness possession on the 10Th
November, 1916 he (Roe) came to New York. and
returned again to Roxbury in December between the
10th and 25th never saw Carpenter from the time he
saw him with Roe, until he came here within the last
few days Carpenter and Roe had two three piles Of
bills before them on the table, each pile half thick
this book, (the Bble); they about fifteen
minutes counting the money never heard the word
that 1t good money and it may b. for all he now
knows 1t is in his mind that the word goods
made use Of by Carpenter has doubt oft witness
does not recollect the conversation between himself
and Young, last Sunday going to the Westc
House but remembers the that
in lS45.
RicHARp BENNETT, examined by the Attorney Gene.
rails acquainted with Chss. Carpenter; knew
him first on the 4th July ls44 frequently In New
penter several times in Youpg's bowling saloon saw
HIM there at least half dozen times he aud witness
used to roll saw paper there night. but could
not tell what 1t was Young inside the bar and
Carpenter and Apdross outside; one of them asked
how that would do 10 does not know whether IL
Young asked Andross aud Carpenter If it they
asked oung answer made, IL will do very WE'LL
1t was one or other OF the three made the reply
Q-Do you not recolect IL either Carpenter or
Young made the reply
MIR BLAscKMA> said the witness had already ans rered
II the witness was theirs the Attorney General would
have fright to put the question, but he Is leading his
swn witness.
The ATTORNEY GrsErAL said they were sometimes
obliged to go into the enemy's camp for . witness
The COURT ruled that the question legal
and witness replied that he did not recoilect mas
rolled with Carpenter, at 1l2 Broadway, and also
at Redhook, opposite Csldweil's, in company with
Apdr'ss (snd anothsr rsooects the time the officers
boarding with witness but left to live about mile
low counsel for defence object TO all this evidence
Court rsd they would rule IL out unless it was made
Witness continued -Recollects that he, Andross aad
Carpenter rolled all night on occasion At Caldwes;
they commenced at about 10 O'Clock In the morning.
Laughter
Q.eHow much did the bill for rolling amount to,
The ArroRsEY GlrERAL said that he wanted to shsw
the great degree Of intimacy existing between Andross
and Carpenter; that the bill over $40 aud
Carpenter lent Andross money TO pay his share Of it.
Mr. CUTLER raid they admitted that after his client
was stduced into the Kidd Salvage Company by An.
dross, degree OF intimacy did exist bet ~een them
long discussion to the tendency Of the tes-
timony OF the Androsss with regard TO the Kidd Sal
line Of examination OF this witness.
His HosoR ruled the exclusion Of this testimony,
the grounds that there is no proof connecting the An
CROSS with any attempt to deceive the pusic they
spoke OF some mesmeic eep but stated that What
revealed vAs not told for the purposes Of deception
The Attorney Gsnsrsl, under that rule had NO fur
Cys,s sEsgs,n,d -Resided at Caldwelrs about six
years; became acquainted wit ndross about Is45;
had uaniactons ~ith Andross; he engaged Ia the
brick business for Witness does not kno~ II the watch
rdrcss had had been stolen cannot tell IL the paper
IA. In 90 "A nis n
brown paper.
Odd you ever see Mr.. Kellogg at Caldwslrs,
The question was objected TO, ruled out, aud
ceptisn taken by Counsel for defence An attempt
was here again made to introduce tue Kidd Salvage
with it, but the District Attorney (Mr McKeon)
to thect.
MIR BsADr, fer the defence contsnded that they had
right to be- to the fullest extent this reaching,
deep laid subtle scheme Of villsDy
The ArroRNrr GrNrrAL repudiated the observations
1T very easy for ingenious counsel under the iu-
structions OF an I'M enous and client to
get up here and cry out against the prosecution
conspiracy sgsnst him but how ridiculous 1t Is, a,if
they lthe counsel for the prosecutiou had suborned
the whole world TO commit PERJURY. He did doubt
that one man might be bubed to swear to fsls.hood
but he did not think they could suborn the whole OF
Massachusetts aud Maine to commit perjury.
The Court taid the question not what combination
prisoner here but whether he Il guilty not Of the
charge They may to the crsaibity of the witness
The comes up uoinrueneed, 1t Is immsterisl what
number of individuals are behind the toenes-if they
can chow that any influence Is brought to bear upon
the witness they may do 90
Council for Defence diI mean TO cay decidedly, that
such copspfscy does exist aud that witnesses have
be.n hired for this trial
The AT1osNrr Grsrs.L would not object to their
showing that II they could
The question ruled cut.
q Did you sees Andross at Melville In 1S47!
Witness declined to answer.
Odd you know where Andross for q We or ELK
months previous to his last arrest!
Antwer declined
a discussion arose a. TO whether the mere knowledge
Of where be was, would mphcats the witness far
that be would be entitled TO decline an answer. The
Court ruled cut the question az night lead TO cfimi
nate the witness
QUESTION: then put as to whether he knew that
q humber 81 persons. loaned by Counsel the Kidd
Salvage Company were aware Of the place where An
drost sas "oetsd but they we've all ruled out By the
Q-Ars you intimate with Mr. PssrsOni tobjsoted
Q.-Are y.u intimate with AnarOss' tobjected to,
Ais intimate with Andro.s; has seen him twice at
Caldweus
with whom did Andross associate at Cald seli's
since his Last arrest Obj.cted to, ruled out and
exception taken to the decision
Witness has seen Andross in this city at the hotel
Q-N here else have you seen him! lOhjectsd to,
ruled out and an exception taken
Witness has not been at the Eastern Pearl Street
House. has not been In ouBg's company since he
here lat has been In Androsss at the hotel
In Broadusy In Nassau street and In this court has
been In his company at Mr Colts ofse; has seen him
at Csldw.ll's within the last Elk months
To the Attorney GenerslWebttose see Apdross at the
hotel talked about the brick business the only place
Odd you about the subject matter OF this
trial at Coitsl tQuestion objected to but admitted
Ave might and done know ~ We did did not
speak With Andres Of this suit at the bUto a. Cad
wells
wnLI.M r. Parsors. a dentist; knows Cbc n.
Carpenter thinks he first became acquainted With him
at the house of andres bat cannot tell in what year.
IL wss previous 60 the time Andross arrested bat
cannot Say shelter it was three months yesr be-
fore Carpenter vas at vinesss house after Andross
arrested and might have been there before ne
there few days after Andross arrested does not
Inn n ar Mt I no oh.
jected to ana Withdrawn He came 20 his house, per-
baps more than twice after AndrSss was in prison.
"a Were there any persons With him on either OF
these occasions!
A-Ies believed at the time that those persons
came there ty design.
Objected to- and the CoURr intimated that II ~ould
be ruled out. unless the relevancy 10 proved
witness contibuet-Hsd previous to that time. made
affidavit in case in which Carpenter was party.
Q-Wss that affidavit In relation to q criminal prose-
cution. or to a civil sutl
-suppossd IL TO be In civil suit trhese ques-
lions were objected TO and the evidence was excluded
Odd Carpenter at any time, ,sy he had you 80
far In his poser that he could send you TO the State
Iffe naafto s..Nt..