The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-01-26


was opposed; but he willing to establish govern
me mt for them thatrsprese naton and taxation might
go together 1t was matter in which not one part
only but every portion of the country is concerned
The people Of the west are going there Of thou
sands and therefore they are interested In having
territorial government established.
Mr. BRowN, of Mississippi said that territ srial bills
could not be established, it was necessary to protect
the revenue Of the government. Is Congress to ad-
Journ and permit people Of all parts Of the world
Without paving dutes Is Confess to sSiourn acac
give foreigners advantage own merchants? Is
this what gentlemen call justice! II the law be not
parsed, the government will receive revenue The
population Of California is increasing with wonderful
rapdity and as consequence there is an incress ns
bill may not be perfe-t but it can be amended As
there are but thrtyeght days Of the session remain
ing, do anything with the bill but commitit.
Mr.. STEPHENS said that he not for territorial
government. He did not care If there was not
one this year the next year or ever He did not
the trainers of the constitution to fern territorial
governments for any portion Of the United States.
ritory the country had not paid for it, and he would
not vote to pay single dollar. He did not know
how many gentlemen agree with him, but he spoke
for himse Before the late treaty the Pre- sident
sumed to make for these territories but
he had authority for the exercise Of such power
Whether there be governments In the territories
not he did not He thought from the reading OF
the annual messsge that there He did not know
whether they are good or bad it is certain that the
President has power to make create them. IL the
people choose to acquesce, 1t was matter which
cerned themselves He did not propose to argue the
question, or enter. intolthe debate aud for one he
felt that there was necessity for government in
either Of the territories He thought that the Pres
dent once told Congress that governments estab
lished by him according to the laws of nations and
the rights OF war. He was willing to let things go
as now, until the people become tired, and make
MIR MoRsE expressed the hope that the bill would
not be pressed at this time.
anime the BILL he willing that the question of
grossment should be passed over and the BILL in the
meantime be printed.
Mr. PErrrr-i insist on my motion.
ts Mr. M0nsE was opposed to the S because he con
gether 1t seemed to enter the minds of some
gentleman that becauee the army raised the Ameri
can flag over some portions Of Mexico, the insti
buttons OF our country were carried with 1t immediate
ly aud that, If they found thousand tons hay or
thousand bushels Of corn 1t was de ue, and not de
they had no right to use it without an appropriation
by Congress The President had done what every mi
!itsry man was bound to do, and no more As an hum
BILE supporter Of the administration going cut of
power and supporter Of the war which terminated
SO sloriousy and brilliantly, he could no permit any
and on the President for the manner Of conducting
the war, without being compelled, by Irresistible
Mr. Roor said that he would be astonished If the
House should act upon this any other bill in relation
to the territories without proviso One Of the first
other important matters, and he trusted that 40 bill
would be passed without something like this: "And be
further enacted that neither slavery involunta
ry servtude shall exist, except for crme on due con-
victionn He did not see how Mr. Hunt could get the
bill without the Wimot proviso, He had DISPOSE.
ton to cut of discussion, but in order to test the
opinion of the House, he would move the previous
question
make an explanation.
Mr. Roor-As am so tender hearted, will (Aa
ha y
MIR billiard commenced by speaking of his desire
that all sections Of the country would act with view
to the public tranquility. When the South entered
into the Union she with certain rights guaran-
tied by the constitution. In his humble judg ment
the South would be most unwilling to hold any other
confederacy They would make an effort to preserve
our institutions in full vigor. When, said he things
As this become 20 much matter Of jest that gen
we're in the policy pursued by persons Of tho non.
slaveholding States think It my duty as one man,
ofthe country which now exists. II We are not per.
mitted to enter the territories acquired by joint
and treasure without forsiting the rights which
We possessed when came into the Union
Mr. GKINNELL-Is the discussion in order?
Mr HiLLiARD-Why did not the gentle man interrupt
others? Am not speaking to the question now be-
| fore the House
| Mr.. GPINNELL-No, sir.
| MIR. HnLrARp-Deal out even. handed justice and
would have nothing to say.
Mr. RooT, who had loaned the floor to Mr.; Hillisrd
to be @ % ny not WISH Tue
Mr.. HILLIARD-l hope that am not misunderstood
Mr. Roor-Oh, no This man from Ohio (meaning
hmsel manifested better temper. With all respect
for that gentleman, there is thing rdicuous
ard that s any alarm Ihave sad nothing call out
am In favor Of the motion Of tho gentieman from In
diana. II we are to pass any bill, am willing to
body in it more essential provision As to the terri.
store it? This we can't do ask that the bin be re-.
frred to the Committee Of the Whole the State of
the Union and move the previous question.
Several gentlemen requested him to withdraw the
molten, but be rtfused and the bill referred to the
Committee Of the Whole on the State Of the Uuion and
ordered to be printed.
MIR DuER moved to reconsider the vote and then said
that he concurred in the general spirit Of the
NJ hens 10 thvpnf hos e.
pomise that he would not vote for the appropriation
to pay Mexico but he wished to say that he was
this territory part Of the United States ause
not under any constitutional obligation DO
alone can bring territory into the Union While, like
other gentlemen, he would be glad to have the terri
tory yet IT he believed that It's possession Is to en-
danger the Union, he should be opposed It, He be-
lieved that there provision the consti-
tuition he would in extreme cases. in spite of the
stitution refuse to recognise it that is If dsun
to be the conseque nce-to preserve the Union
rather than break ii all to pieces. Hitherto the whg
party has united en- the ground not to recognise the
II may however be necessary, friends of the Union
to be united on different ground. 1t may be who
wings maintain this ground Until laws are passed. or
the territories admitted States, he would do
nothing TO recognise them as Portions OF this Union
Committee on Territories to bring in bills organizing
governments?
MI DurR-what has that to dc Whit
Mr. STEWART think 1t has something to do with it.
Mr. DurR-I will not recog Aize the territories
Mr. BnOws Of Mssi,sppimi unaer.ssnd the gentle
Mr. DUER-I have understood that Is the ground
hitherto occupied by them rather than by
the territories, the Union should be threatened
Mr. BRowN-I understood him to say that the whig
party in all parts Of the Union Of the
slavery question have been, and are, opposed to the
acquisition Of this territory.
Mr.. DuER-What meant to say Is this Il hope that
they will not rsshly abandon the position that they
would rather preserve the Union Is 1t s than that the
Union should be divided and this territory be the cause
Of dissolution.
MIR. JOINS, Of Tennessee-Is this debate about the
Union, and everything else In order the motion to
reconsider! The remarks Of the gentleman from New
York irrelevant those Of the gentleman from
Alabama.
The SPEAKER replied that he had ruled Mr.. Hilliard
out Of order
MIR DUR then moved to lay the motion to reconsi.
der on the table, and the motion prevailed.
ARMY BILL.
The House resolved isself into Conn ittee of the
Whole on the State Of the Union and proceeded to the
consideration OF the bill making appropriations for the
support Of the army,