The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-07-02
government had majority, but 50 had N. Gui.ot

M. II had
been present on the 24th February, he would have
known that he had proclaimed universal suffrage on
the barcades 1t was his faith but there was some
thing superior to It. (Murmurs)
vo'cE-It is yourself Gaughtsr)
M. LEpRu RoLLIN-lt was eternal right and justice
Interruptien.) The human conscience could not be
violated with impunity. He would not ret ract any
thing of what he had said at the last sitting he
would explain that the meaning Of his words we're that
the constitution they would II it violated defend
it in arms (Ainrmurs) That the meaning Of
discussion here arose as to whether the Assembly
should immediately vote on the groundwork of the
question, or only on the urgency.
M. BAnocHE contended that the Assembly might i'm
msdately vote on the groundwork Of the question.
nj. CoRALLI maintained that, after having voted the
urgency the Assembly should refer it to the bureaux
and have report made on the principle of the ques
ten
The discussion then declared to be closed
THE PREsIpENr-l shall now consult the Assembly
the groundwork Of the question
A VoIcE on the Left-We demand that the report be
printed and distributed.
On the Right-No no! Divide, divide
The PREsIDENr--If the Assembly decides Immediate
y on the groundwork Of the proposition it is evident
that it will by doing reject the demand for the
munication Of the documents
Nj. LAcLeDURE-We formally demand their produc-
ton.
The PnEspEsr-There are two propositions before
the Assembly-one to pass ut once to the immediate
discussion, and the ether to adjourn that until
certain documents are produced The adoption of
involves the rejection OF the other put to the
vote the question-Wi the Assembly pass at once to
the discussion' (No, no. on the left Great agta-
tiOn)
The division then took place, the members Of the
left abstaiping from voting, when the numbers we're
Number OF voters. .................... 1854
Absolute majority. ....................I9 3
Ayes 1911
Noes .:.;..''''''' '''''''''.'''''' o-o
In it was decided that the on
the main question should be at once proceeded to.
NJ. Pascal DurRAr said. that he asceHded the
tribune to again demand that all the documents rels
Ting to affairs Of Rome be produced in the tribune. n
terruption)
time.
M PASCAL DurRAr-we demand these documents
from the good faith Of the government and the Justice
OF the majority [Murmurs
The PREsrDEsr OF the Coz scL said that this was un
doubtedly question of good faith. The question pro-
posed was that the government by refusing to recog
nze the convention Of M de Lesseps had violated the
constitution. The committee had not demanded any
other documents than those already published. The
committee had without any further production deed
ed unanimously that the government not culpa-
bic He must therefore decline produsing auy thing
else as he believed most sincerely that nothing
required to enable any one to form judgment
M. THEIRS, (from his place. i demand in the name
of the committee, that the discussion be closed.
The PKEsIDENr of the CoUNcIL-I only add that IL
documents were necessary should have produced
them The question being already said, of COED
faith have no other document to lay before the As
semby Hear, hear
honorable genteman's reasoning For his own part,
he could affirm that he wanted to how the order OF
May 20 had been given loh oh J Yes, he and his
friends had need OF receiving information.
Nj. THI.Rs observed that as a member of the COM
mittee he could declare that the documents already
published, had fully satisfied the members who com
posed it He could not see why the representatives
who had signed the act OF mpesc 1ment should at pre-
BE- in doubt about the necessity Of seeing the
documents than they had been the day before Vic
lent interruption
NJ. FrLr Par said something from his place, which
the noise prevented our catching.
NJ THIERs-I have not a voice strong enough to
stand against your clamors lItenewed interruption
M r PrAT descended from bis place, and went up the
steps Of the tribune but the Assembly refused to allow
him to speak
N. THirns went on to say that the day before, the
gentlemen had been certain that the constitution
had been violated that they spoke OF a recourse to
arms QIear. hear) Yes they had declared that the
government had 6rst violated the constitution aud
acted in contradiction the will Assembly
What! the constitution declared the day before to
be violated and now, the persons who then made
that grave assertion eyinced an anxiety TO examine
the details Of the various documents and Instructions
given. Hear, hear) But the majority WAS Of a diff
ferent opinion Was IL, then TO be supposed that the
majority had less teigence than the gentlemen who
though they had the day before made up their minds
that the government was guilty, nov applied for docu
ments to enlighten thsmselves' ('No mo- to satisfy
the country.'D He maintained that the documents
published we're sufficient TO satisfy any impartial
but as TO the will Of the National Assem- bly, being
sighted IL was foolish TO say 40 for when the troops
wtnt TO Civta vecchia every one must have imagined
that they would advance to Rome. Cries Of "Oh,
oh y Well suppesing that they not to have
gene 10 Rome was there any doubt that they to
enter the Roman territory which II the ia hiou
now to endesyor to represent as sacred and invis-
table,
Voror on the left-ThAt is not the ou.stion Tbs
matter relates to the production Of documents
NJ TnIvRs-The documents have nothing to do with
the ground work Of the question; for the accusation
made without your thinking Of dcmsndis g any but
what had been already published But it not to
be supposed that the wild sentiments expressed the day
before In that Assembly could prevail European civil
lIation could not give way before demAgogic clamors
(Tr,msndO uprtar on the left) On the one side
was ordcr-on the other, anarchy. loud applause
the right
yoIcs on the left-you dare to call us demasosues
NJ. TnnRs-i want to offend no man speak In ge-
voror from the same quarter-You are the most
incident Of all men. (Order, order
NJ. THJns must, then. repeat that the government
had not slirhted the will Of the Assembly and that IL
had not violatsd the constitution &" We have here
'aid the honorable gentleman In conclusion an As.
sembly and government. The latter IL determined
TO hay. the as respected and the country ought to
know that all good citizens determined to support
NJ LrpAu KoLtrs commenced by declaring that all
the facts OF this case were so clear that It evident
that the government had violated the consultation.
How bad done SOL BY changing its policy after May
~. This would be IL the ipstruc tions given
General oudinot with the acqueseence Of the National
Assembly, were compared With his subsequent acts.
Why, then. were the documents demanded In order
TO show the country what grounds the government
Vas accused Yesterday he ana his friends had their
opinion firmly made up as at present-but there
we're Others concerned In the question -(Oh. oh,
place the question and had spoken Of order and dems
gogc principles, a. In contradstinctioo. But could
NJ Thi.rs maintain that the Roman Republic had not
been regularly procla med-that its Assembly not
the OF pribg Of universal suragethat ell its acts had
not been peacesby decided aud carried out Iear
near WHAT the non gentleman called demagOguiam
at Rome was In reality the republic (Grest cheerin
on the left N Ledru Ron then alluded TO the re-
ports presented by senard and NJ Favre, in order
10 show what bad been the real intentions Of the
National Assembly aud repeated his assertion that tho
government had completely sighted its expressed will
The Romans he said only asked the French troops
remain inactive whilst they treated the Austrians as
they had already the Neapolitsns loud iaugnter)
"But, NJ. Theirs" ssd the hon gentleman. are you
lot aware that your phrase about order and dema-
gogusn 10 that Of the Emperor Of Russia" (Hesr,
h.ar)
N TmsRs-No; II vas that Of one Of the insurgents
Of June
M. Lsppu RoiIIr.-Examine the manifesto OF the
Emperor Of Russia and the idea would be found
th.fe-(h.ar beai) since II said that the s
present at stake In Europe that Of order against
anarchy the which he had thought ne to give
d, mag sic tendencies ION the right" They the
ssme But the Kind OF order alluded to that Of
des potsm- that which IL enieAvorrd TO es-
tablish in Germany in Prussia In Austria-t the
order " Cossscks, which IL vas hoped TO establish
In France. (0rest cheering on the left)