New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1849-01-25
By THE MIDNIGHT SOUTHERN HAIL
THE DEBATE ABOUT THOSE BOOKS.


/ Mr.. EDWARDS. in exclamation SAID that he had
voted in favor Of the appropriation and was Of course
willing that the amendment should operate upon MIN
self precisely il you'd upon any other MEMBER he
hsd no apology 70 make for the vote ne had given ne
would ID TO the Clerks table the New York Iri-
! bune OF January and would quest the Clerk 10
read the paragraph which he SIR. had marked
The Clerk read the following
Ard vel Mr. Speaker IL has been limited net asserted
o. This fJor that voted for hess Cong books
ceusiny voted gg1nf hem ~ every oppor1 n!iy when
uldersooi he creation yo.ed sgsnst Sgerns 20 .na.
item Of The report ~ the COMMITTEES Of me W hoie "a sVo,
/ Of tie DefcieIcy bll sud, he Item prevsing' voted
against The whole biz i-d % be ass!rs them 81 every
opportunity bui u that on some stand up vote In
COMMITTEE Of ne Whole. hen / utterly misunderstood
what the question before The Committee, voted for
this item Gentlemen say 90, snd ms. presume thry
ar n ht certain meant 90 doto and did IN my
power IN tie House 20 defeat this appropriation But Is
common win 10 Incidental ard h-sy divisions, when
Do not carry understand the point 10 he decided 10 vote
Win The Chairman Of h- Commee Of Ways and Means,
lMr NiNToS VINO IS 90 generally night and who hiss -pe-
ela charge Of appropriation bills and OF eXpedilng bust
generally. Th1s Only can nave yoled flr these
books al oiLer occasions certainly voted sgainss
| them
| The paragraph having been read
Mr.. EDWARDS addressing Mr.. GRFELFY) said, |
wish to inquire Of the gentleman from New York, if |
am 10 order whether that Is his editorial z
Mr.. GREELEY rose.
The CHAIRMAS interposed, AMI SAID that this
va. not the subject OF debate not being proper
" an exp lansion prescribed by the rule The dis
cussOn wholly Irrelevant
r
as an additional section to the bill.
Mr. GREELEY.-l certainly think am entitled
20 say a word In explanation.
fCfies OF Hear hm-Hesr GREELEY with OBJ
jections
Mr. EDw.RDs.-You are, the author of that ar
ticlei
Mr. GREELEY-I think nm entitled
The CHAIRMAN.-The gentleman can proceed
Only bv unanimous consent Gentlemen must see where
thi. will cad TO- < irreevan, matters Of this kim are
allowed 10 BE- discussed.
Mr.. EDwARDs.-I want to know the decision Of
the Chair upon my motion.
Mr.. GREELEY.-l think | am entitled 10 answer
the eentlemsn's iaierrogatory.
The CHAIRNAN.--Every gentleman must see
where this ill lead II the oiscussiOn Is 20 The
Chair thinks Il Is his duty 20 restrain discussion within
proper limits and, under the rule IL is clearly mpro
per 20 into discussion in relation 70 editorial
IN auy paper the personal conduct Of member,
into any mater oi thst kidd
Mr. EDwARDs-The CHAIR has misunderstood
my motion.
Mr.. DUER.-Cannot the gentleman be heard by
unanimous consent
Mr.. EDWARDS appealed from the decision Of the
Chsir.
The question " shall the decision Of the CHAIR
add teciisd 10 a. negative. '' ''''' y '-"-
50 the decision ofihe CHAM was reversed.
Mr.. GREELEY SAID, every gentleman here must
remember that that but the substance Of what be
had spoken on this door His colleague next him Nr.
RUMsEYl had told him that upsn one occasion he (Mr
q mad voted for the appropriation for books when he
did not understand the vote He (r G. had voted for
tellers when motion was maize TO pass the item but
by mistake the Chairman passed the motion for
telers aud counted him In favor II the item.
Mr. EDwAKDs.-I understand, then, that the
gentleman voted without undressing what be vo
ing Hpon and that be would have voted against taking
the books had be not been mistaken
Mr.. GREELEY asseuted
Mr. EDwARDs.-l assert that that declaration is
uniounded IN fact hsys the proof that the snteman
justified bis vote both before aud after the Young
Mr.. GKEELEY called for the proof.
Mr.. EDWARDS said he held himself responsible
not elsewhere, but here 10 prove that the gentleman
from New.iork Mr. GREELEY bad justified bis vote IN
the books both before and alter be gave that
vote upon the ground on which they all Justified H. and
that this editorial aferth0u ht written because
he Mr G had been tSitted by certain newspapers
with having voted for the books he held himself |
ready % name the persons by whom he could prove H.
Loud cries OF Name them name them.
Mr.. EDWARDS responding % the repeated IN |
vitstions which were addressed h him said CHAM
HrDsoN, Dr. DAaLING. aud Mr.. PUTNAM
The excitement was very great and there was much
confusion IN al parts OF the Hsll-many Members |
stsnding Ia the aes croWding forward to the area
and the vicinity ofMr. GREELEY
Mr.. GREELEY addressing Mr. EDWARDS Il |
neither Ofthese gentlemen will say So
MI EDwARDs-l hold myself responsible for
the proof addressing Mr. HUDSON Mr.. HUDSON will |
come % the stand. General laughter
The CHAIRMAN called the Committee % order
Mr.. EDwARDs-l have named the gentleman.
The CHA!RMAE sgain called the Committee %
order and requested gentlemen 70 take their seats
No motion could be entertained me said until order
was restored.
Mr. NISToN rose and addressed the Chair.
Mr.. GREELEY.-I hope the Committee will not
rise until the Witnesses have come forward.
Mr. NINTON wished 10 make one word OF ex-
PLANTATION and having moved a pro fOrnd amendment /
for the purpose be proceeded 10 make statement with
reference 10 the action OF the House the last
and the present 20 the action OF the Committee Of Ways
and Mems and Of himself in reference % the purchase
Oi books. Ha smoke the abaut which
had been included Ia the deficiency b! tor payment
FOR the copies OF tae Documentary History ordered at
the last session He said he Of those who IN
the last Congress, rad very much doubted the expe
dency 81 purchasing those books he referred 10 the
resolution which This Session had been brought up %
rescnd the resolution Of the last Session by which the
books had been ordered and said he OF those
who had voted 10 rescnd thst resolution the effect OF
which would have been o. have relieved Congress from
making the appropriation Of some $1,000 or 5000
which the Clerk OF the House estnaed necessary
carry that resolution into execution. A srEe majority
Of the House however had thought otherwise and BY
their vote had directed the appreciation % be made
De had then the same day 10 which tnis resolution 70
-e-cind the previous resolution had been voted down
rsled upon the Clerk las he deemed his duty DO
20 give him an estimate OF the appropriation that
would Be Necessary 20 carry the resolution into effect
DE did not consider thsi he bad the right 10 Set hs
private opinion sssinst what the House had directed
when they had said by resolution, inst the spproprA
hon should be made The Clerk bad furnished him
Fth the esnst- be had laid before the Committee Of
Ways and Means and had reported under the direc
hoo Of the Committee who deemed that a. the organ
u the House, they h.i night % withhold bill. Tor
my appropriations which demanded by the
House, whstever their private opinions might 10 as 10
heir exPediency In this manner 40 the organ Of tue
House. be very omen reported appropriations which,
De could exercise bis Judgment % The expedsncy
u them. ce should not report
Mr.. GREELEY renewed the pro fOrBld amend
nent ne said because attempt had been made %
al gentlemen out IN opposition 10 him, 10 would
lot come before ttis House ana say that he had said
ne word 70 them IN conversation. which was tncCn-
sieni VITA what be had before stated this 1Oor, or
Win MS article he presumed the proceeding Vas
Irregular, but other gentlemen bal been allowed to ,
RACK him and BE- vishei the same opportunity OF de
-nee. Nov these gentlemen who nAd been named as
Witnesses = contradict what he had said in ibis article
- required be demanded that they should come for
No ana say whether there word said there ,
neh ne had eontrsdie;ed IN private conversation.
M EDWAKDs.-TIe gentlemen are on hand.
Mr. GREELET.-No doubt the House q bound 70
nAke the appropriation boz knew what kind Of op e
'osuon would be made - me, and tired 10 vote {
sNnst u NOW, II there % sHy gentleman VINO will 4,
AZ inai ne has Understood 10 cay ths, voted for
19cer,'sndinziy, cal upon aim 10 come forward
Mr.. EDsAKDs.-The gentleman calls for the ,
estmony. Mr.. HrDsoS q the msn-Dr. DAZZLING IL
ne y
Members had again aOcked into the area .
here ~ere cries Of HgpsoS. HuDsoS,r " down In q
ont n ~ II 4 -.r- urr