New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1849-05-08
NEW-YORk TRIBUNE.
NETWORK, TUESDAY. MAY 3
4 Talk with Catholic.

Roman Catholic Church among %, and We believe
still claims to maintain that chara~ter. Into the
Justice Of that claim We make DO inquiry. But
ss the paper mas Tor some time made wsr upon us
in the name and assumed behalf Of Catholicism
we desire TO come b frank undertaking With
our readers Of the Ca holic iai'h
A Catholic Layman' IN our columns the other
day spoke Of oo- course toward his Church IS
generous, We did not feel at liberty - alter his
brcible and Kind letter but We oisavow the gene.
rosity aud utterly disciam any title 10 gratitude.
IL has been oar fortune to minss IN several con
troversies IN which principles and rights very dear
TO as seemed to be stricken at through the persons
Of our Catholic fellow citizens, and we cOntended
very ardently not for those citizens but for
principles. We will not quietly see the cherished
faith Of any portion Of cOuntry men treated ne
|an alien religion matter v neither those vino
profess It came hther one hundred. twenty, or two
years ago. We cannot consent that theoretlca'
and alleged intolerance shall excuse practica aud
positive intolerance We cannot consent that any
portion Of our people shall feel constrained 70 with
hold their children from the common schools be-
cause their religious faith Is assalied or under.
mined, however adroitly, in the Management Of
those schools We cannot be patient while a CT
izens creed or birthplace is made the pfete1t tor
his exclusion from any Of the rights or privileges
OF American Frecmen. 1t happened that those 10
whose persons these rights were asssiIsd were
Catholics, bat had they been Hebrews or Nor
mons or some still less numerous and more unPop-
nlar class we should have maintained our prnci-
pies with equal eorDestness and srdor We never
asked any favor OF Catholics because o. them
never pretended 70 be other communion, nor any
thing Of the sort. There were certain extefnAl
questions. and especially that Of Independence Tor
Ireland on which we have sympatb'zed with TIE
greater number Of the Catholics Of this country
but that sympathy had VIGOROUSLY no relation I"
religious faith
There is one purpose very dear 10 rs with
which It seems that the mass o. the Catholics DO
not sympsthze-namely that OF radical improve
ment in the Social Relations Of Mankind. We
believe in the prac,icabiity Of such relations as
will render every laborer Substantially his o~n
employer with work always abundant aud never
excessive nor unrew arded-in which all shall have
permanent homes and dread rot the approach Of
qaarterdsy--in which the moderate aud wiling
labor OF each shall create plenty and happiness for
all. We believe such a Social Order as " c have
here rudely outlined IL the natural sequence OF |
Democratic Freedom, just as Slavery, scrdom
and servtude for Wages are the logical results Of
Monarchy aud Arstocracy. We believe such
Social Order must necessarily be- Of slow grow H., |
aud will require much patience, effort and sacri-
fee from It's earlier advocates, but We DO not be-
Iieve il will destroy Religion. the Family, nor |
Property. Wesee plainly enough that If It's enc
mics are permitted 10 rally under the rampsrs o |
Religion and oppose it with advantage ther,irom
those enemies will necessarily involve Religion III
their fortunes and ~ their discontinue, but not 10
her final overthrow Ultimately, as IN the elder
French Revolution, the People will separate the
eternal truths of Christianity from the Temporary
error of her leading votsries. and Faith aAd Free
dom. Social as well as Political walk hand IN
hand But before that contamination there will be
very much said and done, by advocates of Religion
on the one hand and OF Social Reform on the other,
which were far better left unsad and undone, aud
which will rebound to the injury Of both.
This Freeman's Journsl-ihat is, its recently
installed Editor--is the deadly enemy of the So
cial Movement of our time, aud of The Tribune be-
cause of that movement. We do not complain OF
this, although it very recently and conspicuously
declined to notice the assumed misleadngs OF
another journal, though mainly circulated among
Catholics, because that paper did not pretend to
be Cathol,o-a wise aud pertinent Limitation. Of
which The Tribune is not allowed the benefit No
mstter--we do not depreoste its hostility. Alive
object To is it's gross, nexcusable uniarness Thus
il on the Qsth ult framed three complex PROPOSE
son-. the end and aim OF all being establish that
Civil Government is bonnd To subserve and
guard the true worship and religion when it
knows what ~ do ~ promote this OF course,
we could not assent To- this for II plainly jusifos
ali manner OF prosecutions for Opinions sake.-
Mr.. McMas,er, we know, means that Govern
ment ought ito subserve and guard the Cdfhoiic
worship and religion. but John Bull says, "Your
doctrine is hrst rate-only you mistake as ~ the
.true worship it is found In the Apghcan Church
'-whereiore your Seven Millions ot IRISH Catho-
'hcs must be tthed aud ground 10 the earth 10 sub
serve the true worship that is ours Here
are conflicting assumptions, aud the strongestm arm
turns the scale between them Hence the world !
Is full Of wars aud dshtlngs about Rehgion-ot
wrongs and expressions perpetrsted IN the name
of Religion-and OF Ioidehty and iuevereuce inn
PEELED by observing the rapacity and luxury OF
Stste-upheld hisrarches and State snbseNed
worships. We are therefore dead against the |
ladder by which our adversary mounts To his final
aud fatal assumption, bu, We explicitly dissVo~ed
any objection except in solar as they conducedto
this end.
Hereupon The Journal turns about knowing |
we'll what We said sud mean, and says
In our fret propagation We said That God has |
made known Hs viii and the way OF His right worship
bv A supcrnsflral Revelation. To thls Ia IibHHe !
saws No We said that lie has placed sufficient marks
for ascerainng that VIII and that way within ihe reach
OF every man The Irtbass answers No. sc &c
1t there be honesty or truth IA this, We cannot
comprehend IT, And yet this is less deadly than
the follow ing
"Within the past few weeks IAe fflbaEe has taken
holder tone Allowing itself Socialist, It has sat that |
from the nature OF the case Socialism and Catnorsin
must be The deadly enemies Of each other &C. &c.
The Editor OF the Journal Anew this was
falsehood when he uttered it-knew that The |
Tribune neither ssio this At any time believed |
any such thing. Our own view Of the case hsd |
heen rene atedly gwen as above. and must be ia.