The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-06-04

site to the sense which the opposition enterans their
is part of the responsibility Of peer Of Parliament
to hesitate to express his conviction to the danger
and impolcy ofthe course which her Maestys govern
ment Is pursuing (haer hear and that no
asnuation taunt thrown out by the noble earl shall
prevent from exercising that liberty speech which
Il amongst the privileges of the members of this
house Opposition cheers) repeat my questons-I
ask whether the Earl II Elgn has without advice
the noble earl and his colleagues have drec ed the
steps which he has now taken' And whether her Ma
Jesty's government have any information pana-
ton OF the state Of that colony beyond what Is
tanned in the public papers which they prepared
offer the house! The noble earl Gays no shall be pre-
day next
Earl GREY:-On Friday.
Lord SrAsLEy:-I take that to part Of my
question; but repeat my question: Was the Earl of
Elgn left to act upon his unauthorized
or did he act upon instructions from her majesty :
sue!
Earl GRrY: will only repeat what have stated be-
fore VIII lay the despatch upon the table, and until
that is laid before the house II will be pedent
for me to enter upon any information details Until
your lordshps have read that despatch, how can in
form you whether may may not have given instru
tons as to what has taken place But with regard to
the ndemn nifty bill may now state that had advisedly
and deliberately absainea fron giving the noble ear
any instructions on that point believe that the
stution Of Canada and all our cslones Is such, that
the governor general receives general instructions that
he may give or withhold his assent to bills. When bills
are presented to him for his he bound
else his own judgment upon them, and having
cisco MS Judgment TO transmit these bills, with such
reports as he may think necessary to the Secretary of
State, and thereupon her majesty il advised by her mi
Meters to approve dtalow them 1t has not been my
lractceit will not be while hold my present Office
to depart from that wholesome rule and to give in
strucuons To the general as to giving his as
sent TO bills when those bills are not before me- and tho
circumstances IN which they are passed are unknown
to me. Hear, hear
Lord KEprspALE said this was an important ques-
tion. 1t was government bill-a bill brought IN by
the government and passtd by the addition Of six
members to the legislative council (hear, hear from
the opposion), who had voted for that BILL aad who
had been brought in for the purpose Of carrying Top
position cheers bill having passed by majority
Of four The position, then, in which the governor
general was placed was thisthat 1t government
measure, introduced by him, all his advisers and III
about him being the authors of it (hear, hear, and
laughter); that he had power to do other than
assent to the bill (hear, hear and laughter) which he
had introduced. He was therefore, left totally unsup
ported in giving It any opposition The whole pro-
ceeding was onc-QOud cries ef Order' from the go
vernmen benches on account OF which the noble lord
sat DOWN
sire whatever to check free discussion from any
uctance to hear what the noble lord had to but
the noble lord was quite out of order in his remarks
question had been asked and in answer 1t said
that the despatch would be laid upon the table of
house in explanation Of the question put, and there
fore 1t was very unusual to pursue the which
the noble lord seemed entering upon in his remarks
Earl GREY said as matter OF fact and not of opinion,
he must state that the noble lord misnormed to
the legislative council for whatever changes had taken
place, made irrespective Of this So long
ago as September or August, the encouragement
that addition should be made the council and ut
the noble earls request he had sent him,
times the practice when it not known whether the
gentleman named would accept the Office, confidential
warrants prepared for certain gentlemen whose deci-
sion as to taking the Office was not known.
Lord BRoUGHAM wished to know whether 1t now
the practice Of the Canadian Parliament that no mo-
ney bill granting money ever introduced without
the previous consent Of the crown.
Earl Grey said the governor general had given his
consent
Lord BnoucHAm said it was the practice of the para-
pat,f hapn fhot mn ha i,tsn
without first obtaining the consent Of the crown-was
the rule the game in canada!
Earl GREY-1hc cases were the same 1t was i'm
piled by the of that her majcs-
~ had given her consent to 1t.
IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, ON THE SAME DAY,
Mr. HERRIEs-SeeBg the noble lord, the first minis
ter Of the crown, in his place, will take this oppor
tuny Of asking whether the have received
any authentic information respecting the very grave
events which are reported by the public papers, to
have occurred in Canada and If So whether the noble
lord prepared lay that information upon the table
Of this house? clear, hoar.) | will also take the
liberty OF asking the noble lord in reference to ques
ton which put to him upon a former OCCASION
whether her hajesty's government are now in pos
session Of extracts from the votes and proceedings Of
the Legislative Assembly d Canada, relative to the
bill OF indemnity for losses sustained in the rebellion
(HeGr, hear am induced to ask this question, be-
cause upon a former occasion the noble lord had in
te ned the house that her Aajestys government
not in possession Of those votes and proceedings
extracts from them, The answer was made in IA
to convey intmation that 1t was not usual
them to receive extracts from the votes and pro-
Fir the papers which her majesty ministers have by
her majesty's command laid upon the table of their
house, in more instances than one and certainly in
recent instance contained extracts from the votes
ard proceedings Of the Legislative Assembly Of Canada.
(iear hear) therefore beg again to ask in addition
to the first question which have put whether her
maestys government in session Of extracts
from the votes and proceedings OF the Legislative As
sembly Of Capada upon the subject of the rebellion
losses ndennity bill 4! Giear)
Mr.. RoEBUcK-Before the noble lord answers the
question of the right honorable gentleman should
wish to ask him another the answer to which may,
perhaps, the time Of the House. The bill to in
demnify persons who suffered losses in Canada, was,
as understand money bill Lord Elgn, therefore,
suppose, must have had instructions from the home
before any step taken by the par
Lament Of Canada with reference to that bill A mes
must have gone down from the Governor General
to the houses of Parliament giving them authority
enter upon the cons deration of that measure What
then would ask the noble lord is this-whether or
not he has cognzance of instructions given to
Lord Elgn to give her Msjesty's sanction to the
tion being made in Parliament thus showing that the
government at home, and the local government in
Canada sanctioned the indemnity to be given to the
parties before the Parliament of Canada could have
been put in operation (iear hear)
Lord J. RussELL-Mr. Speaker, with regard to the
very serious events that have occurred at Montreal
have to state in to the the first question of the
right honorable gentleman, that a despatch has been
received from the Governor General of Canada directed
to the Secretary of State for Colonial Affairs That
despatch however, was only received mt four o'clock
this day have not myself seen the despatch but it
disturbances at Montreal and there will be no objection
to laying 1t Immediately upon the table of the house
With regard tobe next question of the right honor
able gentleman and with regard likewise to the ques-
ton which the honorable gentleman who has last
tpoken, has put will only say that Lord Elgn has
ated that it is his intention to write, by the next
mail despatch stating all the occurrences that have
relation to the bill for indemnity for losses That
despatch of course, may be expected by the next
rival in this country. do not think will not how
ever, be positive upon that point-hc has sent home
previously extracts from the votes and proceedings Of
the House of Assembly but conclude that the votes
will be received when the despatch is SENT and in that
there will be objection to laying the despatch
and the whole Of the proceeding before this house In
these circumstances having that assurance from Lord
Elgin, that he will state what has occurred and the
reasons which, in his opinion, have justified him in
suming the responsibility which he has assumed in the
1ercse of his functions. must decline entering any
further into the particulars relative to this matter
ering the question put to me by the honorable
NIB, for Sheffield think IL Is far better we should
wait until Lord tgin has had opportunity Of stating
the case, and have had opportunity Of laying be-
fore the house the whole of what has
in Canada with regard to these very serious matters
(Hsar, bear)
Mr.. RorpuoK-T hope her mojesty's ministers will
give mecredt for it when FAY have intention in
le n m mo- nv inf e..