The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-01-15

The srEAKER-Thsre is NO evidence Of that ON the
journal
Mr.. VlrToN-lt appears to me that l made such
papers 90 represent However, hope that the resoiu
ton will not be reconsidsred.
The SPEAKER-The Chair considers that the motion
Hes over.
Mr.. STEPHENS moved that the House adjourn; and at
three O'Clock the motion prevailed.
SATURDAY, Jan. Ia 1910.
REFRACTORY WITNESS.
Yesterday, Q resolution was offered by Mr.. Faxes,
with view to compel David Walker, "a witness be-
fore the select committee to investigate the charges
against Mr.. Medill, the Commissioner OF Indian At
fairs) to testify, he having refused to answer any
mere questions. The subject was laid over until TO-
Gay. This morning,
MIR Fans withdrew the resolu ion the said David
Taylor, it being understood, having consented to
testify
CHEAP POSTAGE.
Mr. GoGciN msde Intellectual effort to have the
bill for the reduction Of postage taken up, in order TO
lave amer dments to 1t printed.
| THE PAcHEco cAsE.--THE CLAIM FOR A NEGRo.-THE
UNION STATES.
The SPEAKER announced the business in order to
be The motion TO reconsider the vote oy wnch the b
tor the relief Of the representatives OF Antonio Pa
cbeco Claiming thousand dollars for negro slave
rent west by Gen Jesup, with the semipoles, at the
| conclusion Of the Florida war; was rejected.
ME- CoLLAMER was entitled to the floor, but he gave
wayto
the merits OF this question have nothing to say =
f. Louder.n "louder u repeat as to the merits
| Of this case | have nothing to cay, after 1t
South Carolina mr. Burt) and argued on this side
| But, Dir, cannot, as Southern mani cannot
| day to day and by the gentleman from Massa-
churetts (Mr Psfrey) distinguished for Intelligence
| learning, and scumen to remain unrefuted And
take ISSUE the law, and the law alone The gen.
tlenan from Ohio (Mr. Gddings) asserted that the
constitution recognised no property in slaves really
do net think that the gentleman believed that himself
but when heard gentleman OF attachments and dia-
ectics this floor assert and give out to the country
that the United States recognises property slaves
| caudOr
| gentleman to say when have done, to rise up and
ray that he was mistaken, and that there is q law
which recognizes slaves IS property. And now for the
| Mr. CoLLAMER-From the course the gentleman is
at all (Ha! ha ha
| The srEAxEn-The House yesterday Insisted on the
point Of order that gentleman could give way for
another to make speech; but, by general consent,
| the gentleman from South Carolina may proceed.
Mr.. HoLMEs-No, cir; will only occupy Ave minutes
e. Let him have five minutes" Go ON" Go on ~
My proposition is this: suppose that the gentleman
will grant that that is property which is matter OF
United States sell negroes and that nothing put pro-
pery can be sold; the United States recognises
property in slaves. There is law which attaches
slaves property for the benefit of the Unted States
and nstructs collectors to collect the value Of them
| II they cannot make money on the real estate Of
creditors Of tho then they sha take the
slaves and sell them for the benefit Of the United
States and place the money in the treasury and the
only limitation IL that the United States shall not pur
chase slaves the benefit the United States They
can sell the slaves, and appropriate the money to the
payment Of the taxes. Have the United States any
have right sH,Ga is
| they recognise property in slaves.
Mr. PALFREy arose to reply, and
Mr. CoLLAMER understood to say that IL he per.
mitted him to respond others would ask the privilege
floor He then alluded to the Of those who had
participated in the debate, when
Mr.. BURT called him to order, on the ground that
there private bill before the House.
The SPEAKER did not think Mr.. Collamer to be out
| of order.
M Ha
| The SPEAKEn-The Chair understood him as Illus
Mr. BuRr-Very well. Ihsve nothing more to say
MIR. CoLLAMsR.H all that Is said in this House
may be regarded as argument by some, and not
cusson should be adopted One side says that slaves
property and such should be paid for and
Their says that are not and should not be
paid for In his opinion this the turning point.
He utterly denied that General Jesnp clothed with
i,gsl authority to emancipats the man Lewis, and
Mr.. BuRr-The gentleman says that parties in the
| general proposition that slaves property ask
him If he has read the report fthe Committee Mill
| Mr.. CoLLAMER-I have not read all oft
| MT BURT-If the gentleman had read che report he
would have seen that the majority make An apology
for discussing that question: because the minority
| that ground.
Mr.. CoLLAMEs-I know that they do
Mr. BURT-The gentleman complains Of extremes. l
ask any single proposition has been mooted in this
House Northern men, for which the gentleman has
Mr.. CoLLAMER-I can't answer.
MIR BURr How can you condemn their extremes
when you 60 for their me asures!
| Mr. CoLLAMKR-While may vote for measures of
that kind Ihave not voted to suppress any questio
| of discussion or amendment
| MIR. Holmes of South Caroina-What is the gentle.
mans opinion Of the legal recognition by the United
| States Of slaves as property!
Missed. He had not made his remarks by way Of com.
plant OF any gentleman He made other remarks,
| and was repeatedly Interrupted.
MIR. MEADE, Of Virginia, said that Southern mem
beers would never have been prepared to discuss the
question: If it had not been brought here by Northern
MI GrpDrNcs asked him to point out any warrant
for slavery.
Mr. MEADE replied, that in every civilized and
uncivized nation property in slaves recognised
He appealed not to any municipal law, but to the
common law, and the laws of nations, TO show that
property In slaves can be held. 1t had never been
denied but in this country: not, however BY even
majority of the members Of the House, but by the
racy. He asked northern men to stop the question,
or the South cannot remain In bonds of union with
them II the question be discussed many more years,
door 1t 10 necessity which induces southern to
tell their northern brethren that the discussion
South will attempt to curtsi the liberty Of speech but
that they will require it condition Of further
MIR TooMBs Of Georgia called the gentlems to order
This was private claim He did not want the slavery
question to be discussed at large.
Mr. MEADE didsnot expect an interruption from his
Southern colleague especially when such latitude had
| been aeeumed by gentlemen from the North.
MIR. TooMBs raid that having called the gentleman
from Vermont to order for irreevancy be thought it
necessary to apply he rule to the gentleman from Vr
ginia.
Mr. RHErr-Was not the gentleman from Vermont
permitted unanimously to go on
The SPEAKIR-The gentleman from Virginia will 60
on.
Mr.. MEApE-I don't think that I am travelling
further from the record than the gentleman from Ohio
(Mr. Giddings did the other day. don't think that
am wrong. was replying to the argument that there
Is no property in slaves.
The SFEAKER-Ths gentleman has right to argue
that.
Mr. MEADE said that his remarks were disasteful to
Northern and Southern gentlemen he could not help
and he then proceeded to argue that the
Is bound for the value Of the save for whom compen
saton is claimed in the bill There slavery in this
House. If gentlemen from the North would act inde-
pendently Of the little squad at home about tenth
of the population, who hold the balance between them
selves and their adversaries; II they would give the
hand Of fre ndshp at the altar OF common country
and put their feet the reptiles should hear no
more Of these sgItatiens. But reject the claim now