The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-10-10


examination and the Court ruled that they shoald
stk any quetions tending to degrade the witness there
DO witness who could into review Of their whos
lie without being obliaed to state things that
were not right % expose TO public view
The A1TunNEr GENERAL Ito defendants counssD
You have the imrudt to impus anything else but
tbe weakness OF allowing herself be ermrred.
do IL Ike man and not like c0ward II you intend
10 ,nFute any improper intimacy between ho and
lbcp pfon, gay 1t boldly.
CroSs-esaminaic,, resiraed-Came to New York from
Providence in 1887 boarded for the frat three months
at the Varick house; was not in any business; was
rsed while there by her husband at the request
Of various PERSONS 1t was sometimes public eAhioi.
tion, and sometimes in private; Thompson one OF
the persons 1T whose request she mermerised ner
husband not in business at that tie does not
know how her husband got his money, except by
charge Of one dollar for admittanoe; moved from the
Varick house to 1903 Liberty street to house kept by
Mrs Bsrrsp; had mesmerio exhibitions In Brooklyn,
New oEk and Jersey City; witness vent home to her
mother, and remained there about five months; her
busbnnd remained in New York and commenced the
warns business In which he remained till l3l5 or 49,
Ls stoTe lrst IN 10th that burned tn,
second was In Troy street and then he had one at 40
Broadway the mesmerc exhibitions not continued
in public after 1876; they only dons for the
am nient OF friends; had mesmeTc experiments at
Ialdwels Lsrdin does not know who introduced hor
to Carpenter beard the boat II she at for
mer trial that 1t Mr Pearson Who them,
1t was so was going up to Cadwels Landing Tor those
me,mero experiments, which gven at the request
Of Mir P.srson occupied the house in Bleecker street
till the spiipg of 1916; there mesmeric experiments
cont ne for the edihcaiionn Of Mr. Carpenter
Mr. Pearson; Mr. Sheldon and others visited there
elso; paid anything after her return from
Iaid MIR Sheldon asked her husband down to his store
respecting some mesmerc experiment. went to Cald-
Wells Landing second tine and had experiments at
. public house, and also In her private room; Mr..
Tn, mpson Pearson Carpenter and Coles were there;
does not know what the object OF those experiments
was; does not know IT, when she was mesnersed, she
discovered anything; supposes it examine that
vessel, and discover what 1t contained her husband
was the nesmeri6er.
CouNs,L-Was it at the request Of Thompson,
fObjected to by the Attorney General
The Court really thought that they lost more time
81. Than thaN a6n tied
1t altogether.
WIrsrss continued These experiments some
times 1T Carpenter and Thompson request does not
know WHIST che always stated when under that inla-
did 20 thers for the purpose Of making OF
the purpose OF inducing to buy stock have
stated when awake what she had seen when under the
me.ncrc power but not with the intention of deceive
ing any one stated she saw, In the mesmerc expert
Dents articles Of value specie bars Of gold and silver
and also precious stones Ia the vessel had p.rticu
lar view in stating IL; did not know who about to
become purchasers of stock thinks probable she may
have stated the existence Of those treasures Carpsn
ters presence not paid thing for that knows
Miss Lemno; her once ~ her (witness'sl house;
does not know what business she had there; witness
has stated in writing that her husband got ten shares
In the company for that siscovery does not know II
Mis- Lenins mesmerised; Mira Hin was once at
witnesss house; she mesmerised; does not know II
Mrs Hin laid thing about tbs Kidd treasure when
in nesmer state; never heard OF MA Csdw veil;
does mot know that any cannon was taken up, but
heard it spoken of does not recollaat hearing Of any
gold or silver taken up.
The ATTORNEY objected to thus gsing into thu Kidd
eaee II they did, be would prove that Carpenter was
the person who put the geld and silver in that cannon
lGusstion not admitted by the court
COUNSEL for dsfepce--Haa Mr.. Thompson . gold
blanket (bsr) [otjscsd to and not admitted by the
Court.l
CorssEL for defence proposed to show fraudulent
agreement between this witness and Other parties by
making false representations for the purpose OF nduo
ing the see Of stock and that her husband paid
for such agency.
Crsss ,sosinsiien resunes-Witnoss never pieces
Of gold parportipg to be from the vessel; osn-
kst" Of gold in Thonpson's possession at Csldwe
1t was represented to be piece of kidds blanket;
| did not see tho carmen on the dock.
Judge EDw.nDs said that there unfortunately a
preposterous rule, and which be more fully
exsmpihed Than In this case, that the Court could be
unnecessarily occupied by going into questions t.ough
Irrelevant for tho purpose OF throwing dscred!t on
/ witnesses.
Gross eran,ratien Heard something about
gun being taken up, but never gold or silver;
Mr.. Gracey was ~ witness b house after the experi-
/ mtnts at CaldvClls does not know that MIR Gracsy
paid her husband any money did not herself hand Mr.
Grscey tbet,n shares In the Kidd Company which hal
! been given to her husband. number Of letters
which witness admitted be In her hand writing
put in and marked by the Court Never handed Sir.
Grsoey any stock, bat supposes what she stated n
those letters true; lived brick ard at Cad
wells; her busbsnd had no business there, but
sionaiy went down to the brick yard 20 hslp Mr. Ben
nett; where they lived was not than mile from
the Kidd works. If it .eout che middle OF July, 1885,
does not know II Mrs Iills paid for her expert
ments; she and witness may hare been mesmerissd
/ together Cnce; but Mira Hills never showed her any
uerey a. az she got for her sxperiment Mr.
ard hs family visited frequently ut her house in as and
40; hs ussd TO come once or tsics week; per-
ton at her house that looked in glass but did not
bear he any treasure In the glass does not know
what became Of the ten shares paid beu
with tea dollar bill; paid her baker with Eve Of a
tsn d1llsr bill end he sad IL bad; che thought IL
vss good witness lad got it from her husband he
Last DAY Of December 1875; does nos knoH II IL Was
/ the " Ocean BaBk
! The ArroHNrr GrNErAL ssid they hae no evidence 1t
was tad they hsd only the opinion of the baker Let
/ them produce the bill, or the baker
NuNlss thinks che tore up the bill or gave IL to her
\ husband. and he burned IL. tore &c
Nj. CgrLEr-l will now read the Witness oGer to
pcIJure herself
Jurus Euwsprs sad that his license ~ counsel did
not give him the privilege Of making such
ticn.
be tesn how far he JusiiGod In the obseryation
Counsel bore read extract froD ono of tho letter.,
In which she said Would not be better ssy that
William tser husbsnd) left tom AZ one particular
date instead of another lest she should be aiked
he lad sublsted during those periads
CrosssaoHtnaiion eozffausi.Ifer husband was about
been brought from Troy Mr.. Norris there dtd
not r,c Mr.. fearson there made statement, which
was drawn by Mr.. Pearson she thinks ~ Mr. john
funf in ttoss trett does not think he al the
other trial thst that statement drawn up a. the
Chief office swore % that sstemehgst MIR Pcarson's
request ard he tsok it avsy with him ea~ Gensrai
khher at the police once ne her husbands oouu.
eel does not know that MIR. fearson was MIR Msthsrs
partner
Rs.,HaniroS w hs .fnornsv General-wss fret nut
Into tht metmtro eiosp, NJ ProvdeD,e ia 1850 this
after Of he merle slsep vas publicly talked Of AZ thst
whom sub equcntly eri, I'd II not a. her
wish sls opposed to coming 20 New York for that
purpose cane at her hu.bsad request 10 live he's
came here from Providence trst shout Elk month- be-
fore they renewed 90 York &C. live exhibited her
merle experiments dung her hrst visit pubcly here
several persons pTssCnt about - 20; tn nk she
vent TO Caldsrs In 1857 before they became residents
Of New ork Ar. Tbum psou aud her husband With
her IVES mesmeriet 81 that time AZ rhOnrso y 70.
quot and vent there sgain until a. upon which
occasion lsuon and her a. bar dgere ufh her, aud
Mrs. Carpenter vent up in the zane a. and vent
it "a IL W Wssi int
duced to Carpenter Carpenter present at the
metLsrifing at CALDWELL but does not know that be
any else hot her husband tooN aEy those
experiments with her, what sbs stated With reference
TO those eNI eriments when awake What she had
seen when In the mesmefic sleep, not that
there any design; she had none; did not know
What going around her when IN that sleep;
never party 70 the rur poee Of inducing any
purchase stock In that company Bracey not with
the party IN 1s4t; he 60 their house in to
three months after that h always expressed his b.
lief In this mssmerism; 30 did Carpenter two Dir
Coess ard Cfsnpi there also az Csd weits does
not Der any else besides thoso she has named
Carpenter was generally present phen those exhibit
Mace a he pubiir house and