The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-10-11
Court or Oyer and Terminer.
TIE kIDD Gaze CONTINUED.
IndUa Id I'd nd

MIR. KoKEoS District Attorney avsled himself OF
the reservation made by the Attorney General yester
day, and recalled
Mrs ArpRos who further deposed that she saw
Carpenter one or two days after her husbands frs.
arrest bad conversation with him in relation to that
arrest Counsel for defence objected to that conversa
ton this conversation at her house, she told Mr..
Carpenter that she did not think her husband
guilty or that he had ever passed the bad money Car
penter said he knew that her husband had passed the
money, and that he got II at MIR Noungs that the
first time she heard of Mr. Young
Gross mtned-Does not know IL arpenter had seen
her husband at tho fombs previous to that
ton thinks that che did former trial that
Carpenter had aid her husband got the money from
Young
Mr Currrn asked witness If she knew that Carnonter
was engaged in obtaining afdavits in July, 1916
Caldw.lps or in that vicinity to mplcate herself and
Andres in frauds in relation to the Kidd salvage'
The Cousr took u note Of the question, but ruled
against It's admssibity. The Court objected to any
cToss- examination except such legally Of
the re.examination by the District Attorney.
HENRY MENpi sworn and examined by the Attor-
nsy Genera-Is broker for twenty years In the city
OF New York; the bills produced counterfeit; the
fret il No 250s the Ocean Bank; the others, 564
beS ana2 735 on the same bank also counterfeit;
thinks they might have been done from altered
plate in the course of his business in contact
very frequently with counterfeit bills. The witness
was not cross.exanined.
T. r. f"UNG being called for examination, his testi-
mony objected TO by the counsel for Carpeatsr on
the erornd that he was convicted in Boston, in lsa7,
for passing counterfeit money aud sentenced to im
prisonment for two years Counsel produced tho con-
vicoD and judgment Of the Court
lie ArroBHfY GksERAL produced the free pardon Of
the Governor of Massachusetts,. and thu wtness was
admitted 10 be sworn and examined Will b. 50 years
sgc On the 9TH next February; had bowling sa-
loon at liz Broadway; year and half pre- vious to
That, lived at Noxbuty, Mass a3hus.tts; his mother
lived a. Palermo and witness resided there before he
went TO RoAbuy; has been engaged in public -hoasc
butin,is the moot part Of his time; In New York, his
wife, himself and tive children constituted his family
in 1876 had boarders phn Roe and His wife; they
NAMED about three.nonths; Roe is dead he died in
the spring Of 4C, is acquainted with Charles H. Car
by hs req" hcSs Of sa
ness became quite intimate with him after the period
that Roe sme DOES not'know il Roe aud Carpenter
were previously known to each other but they vera
Intimately acquainted when at his house; knows John
4 French; he was in New lork in November AS, and
remained over two months; hG Was fron Palermo, aud
Is Witness uncle he lie a farmer aud cooper and
also owns MILL has seen Charles H. Carpenter in the
possession OF counterfeit money; first saw twenty
I'd liar Ohio counterfeit bill with him, in December 40
at Witness bowling saloon; Carpenter told him it
was counterfeit that Il tho only way he knows L.
counterieitn teounsH for prisoner submitted that
there no indictment here for the possession of
counterfeit money he is indicted for being Accessory
before the fact of culang t After long discus
sion. 1t WAS ruled by the court as not admissible
tion with Roe about counterfeit money; witness said
be had, be then showed witness The twenty dollar bill
and asked him IL ho would haze some OF M ala not ,x
plain TO Carpenter all the .ston he had With
merely remarked that 1t WAS about counterfeit
money
with Roe being given in evidence; Carpenter was
present. and Hoe now dead
The ATTORNEY GSSFRAL contend for Its admis-
biity. Here was organized gang Of men, ruled by
laws oftheir own They are all sworn to another
somo q them return to the paths Of honest industry
IL was by their testimony alone th0y could arrve al
lnowiedge Of the systcri sysem which 1t would bs
lucky FIR them, II it did not swamp tho law and the
people OF the country.
JcrGE EDwArps ,sid the Coar: cannot saml, hear.
ray testimony when the party bound % tbat cOnvcr-
fn'ion vas not lrCFeEt, unless q person Tho male
the sdmsitn was The agent for tho pnrP'se OF making
that sAieinsUt. ILeto l. rule Il Law, that II
tain number 81 persons are pirsora, Tor
mitlipg particular offence thet could give the testi
mouy pirator for the purpose OF mpicasg
the pfAtor trlsl; bsJ the testimony here
dc net Itar 20 bave as yet established COnspi-
Iscy, and b, ruled against the question bang put
TgeBinafio,, resfsSd - Carpenter went out whs, he
showed him The $40 counterfeit bill had subsequent
ecLy,rstons with Ter about enrnterft fnaoer
time Ina December he offered vii a I've dollar
b'l TN the Nhjclesex Bank, Connecticut he asked
w,trcrs how he liked the looks OF it!n sud II he
would wish 20 have some of II witucss SAIL me would
think about II ard let hin know reyt day he came
neIi morning, aud witness told him he would tsSe
tour or ys pieces Of T. he faid he had not Il with hl
lien. but be would fetch IL in the evening IN the
evening he called and handed witness i0ur hyo dot
La bihs aud told him 90 lac them % his account
L. owed MN mcuey Tor. o1wliDg ~ there ras an
rrccenent between them that witness Co allow
Carpenter - 20 each dollar aud he accord
n sy credited hii account FOR that amount the nest
coaversation vas In December, 10, January, a.
Cnrpenier cHmo into the saloon sud showed b that
hSd zen partly erusee - there was NO name OF the
labk ~ IL there wEha blank space whore the u
D LAM could De put IN Carpenter said there wore
one o. them coming out but he would not tell him
the q III bank the Stats that VS. % be put
IN be wanted to know II wines. would take an Of
n ON. and 20 make the tsls before they would come
told him bis business vhH 20 situated that II
would not Lin 20 be dealing In them Carpe,
ter tAen isd that Azores would ike 10 set some Of ~
a. llc had note 10 pay al bsuG IN Wall street. In
about ten oGyt wines fad De would fpeak Nudsos
utoUt W. ard u lie wanted IL he might nave IL thinLs
AZ -, at thst time that could be had -
cents GA The dollar links lie th0sgi Aniros san.
Tle oiit htdIos wac rieaacd With -, aud sald he
would NE tty seventy hEe dollars OF is told Car
Ient,r aud he raid 70 rather ain when lao
thould set ~ tfrpentsr sd hr would zee ABdrOs Hnd
hing hin Ia some evening, alter Carpenter aud An
Grcs In tarpcntcr cane bshind the oar handed
vtness roll snj ing " was a right aud stnass
landed Il 20 dfos Carpenter and Andres then LETT
the place together that VAS the lat iniervsw he had
with him about c.unterisit moaey heard g tue
ret % hpero, u we day Or 10 ai'er ~fne., had
While lac vas IN prison ts~ Carpenter during that
time.
a Did Carpenter spplJ 10 you for money fr any
purpose, while Andres vas ia prison. tQur.tiOn 90
jecitd To-
1Le ArIoRSuY GtxrR.L urged that thay may r VIZ IN
evidence What shows attempt ths part a &C.
ecfscry to conceal The ruiit Of the principal
hr. MtkEoS vas heard on the tauia side aud nlir.
ctd tie instances laid down VA Roscoe page j where
in IL vas stated thats committed thses burgls-
Ics ca enc light and stole sh'r at cue place eud g
Court heard The Littoy u the thrc bursaries Other
oascs weIe read at length By Ar. Mokeon, from the /
sane authcry, whore evidence was obscied 20 g.
ing TO establish distinct offence. but the Court
eevtd IT, On the ground Of It's teitg onsred ~ "contrna
tory o. The Truth u The prusecutUs testimony TO
The transactions Of the ioImsr dag, aud to the
tuie ~ those tTanac iuns
ar BLiscHNaN eontendedi hat TIE prosecutors nut /
nrtt Prove what 10 In this indictment before theJ
90 mo feraiste offence No man b. bound 60
all the tbsrges which this Attorney General May bdtg
against bin aud 10 only fair that they should
hne the Attorney General TO tne prof q TINT. FPeciho
indictment
The ArroRvEr GsNrH,t replied a. considerable I
length quoting various authorities % subtautae
views and In c0nclusion again repudsted with force
the in6nuations whch had Oeen thrown out yessrGay
that the prosecutors counsel Tor any Othsr eu
the people.
Hr. BRADr remarked upon the irrtlevancy II the
Attorney Generals observations respecting himself aud
the late District Attorneys this tus Tor beisg
accessory 20 the circulation OF counterfeit money ana
not Of The comPet,ncy or character ot The puDc psos
cutors.
lie ArrotNEy GrNrEsL stid he was much ICED 90
Bis Joung MEND iOr the Ttbuke because may esru
wisdom from slIaost any source. (lsughterD
The CoURt did not see any dayiRting from
the rule which they had sid yesterday could
net, tleiefcte. receive the evidence
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