The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-07-20


@ Did you or feel am thng on the person Of the
elder sister near or below the breast and so, de-
A. Not on the elder one, Eliza Dickson, but on the
shs one sa snsss wa. piece Of sticking pss.
under the right breast; both felt it and saw il
| z How came you TO see 1t!
| A | asked her TO let me see It; she unpinned her
night gown and opened it and let see it; opened
the dark lantern 80 a. TO have light to see by
9. Which Of these girls did you suppose to be the
| oldestf
A. took Eliza Dickson to be the oldest
@. Was not Eliza Dickson taken to bs the Oldest on
shipboard!
Objected to by Mr. whiting; overruled by the magis-
To me she looked to be the oldest; asked her.
she told me she was: asked, because didn't bsleve
they were sisters believe Eliza taken generally
Have you met these girls on deck late at night;
and II So, about how often
| have, should think, seven eight different
times
q, About how late. generally,
| A. shouid Fay, between the hours of eleven and
@. bid any fauilaritics pass between you and these
girls on these ions. and il so describe then,
| used To generally be asking them where they
going and what they were goog TO do. Eliza told
sne n'ta IN street In Dubnni don't recollect the
name OF the street now that generally chief
copversation
C'oss.erominafion-I was born in Albany | don't
know What part OF the city; was born in the city;
have not resided there for Is years pat resided
with my father until ~ years past, my father lived
th"n in Fulton Oswego this state during the past "
years have boon following the sea; before was with
Capt McC-rren, was with Capt cobb tho Siddons;
before that in the brig Cap ain rom: she sailed
from New ork to Cuba, have acquaintance In New
/ loik who have known me; James Nc ienuis II well
acquainted With me; don't know where he lives; he
grocer; toe mate Of the Siddoas, Mr. Sloppy and
Capt bloCerren, MIR Loviner. who has been secoud
mate Of the Columbus also one MIR Johnson, he
chief mate OF the Columbus her passage Liverpool
know MIR Robinson. who resdesin Roosevelt street.
keeps sailor board pg house, have known him and
he known m. for several years; | have No trade
except follow The sea; know Nr Powell in Liberty
street; he works hard tor living: coulI go aud
Keep you writing for IA week giving you Of per-
sons who know me, could not give you the name of
any one who knows ine In Albany Is So long since
lett, don't kn-w the name OF the man saw In tho
berth with the girls, ! cannot say whether he was
dressed or uudes-ed he under the clothes he
lying on his back; sa~ his face first can't how
til. girls were lying; can't tell whether they
lying ON their backs ar their sides their faces
cannot Say whether their eyes open closed;
did not hear them speak. saw the man once in tho
berth with them and only that time; this a
passenger; he was on board the ship, AND mad tho
shipt allowance the the rest OF the pas
sepseTs did; the man lad dark hair no had whis-
kers 81 dark coloT; he was very tidily dressed
more so than the other pa sengcrs; ne was abous
FIVE feet ten inches In height; did not knos the
berth he occupied thought he wa passenger; be-
lie'e ho belonged TO one OF the bcrths on the upper
deck: IL was about the middle II the voyage MIN
IN the brrs t Was dark below except the glimmerng
light b,s, the hatch; there only light each
side The deck; don't think person thrir back in
that berth could see me come down the way came
down; came through small hatch the windlass,
on The forward part OF he vessel. then went the
statb,ard side until got to the berths then crept
over my bands and knees, purpose to look iuto
The birth ~hsrs the gr's slept skPsated to anda
Whiting objected TO the witue,s giving his reason)
Magistrate overruled the objection
The witness proceed a. folloss:-
There was tall Rim freshman came on deck. and
told me II went to the berth Of those girls could
zee sight ~ there n man in the berth with
th,m pretty busily engaged. that was all he said;
vent down accordingly; don't know where this
lr hman came FROM suppos. from ireland Qau xht.r;
cannet ray how often I this man that in the
girls berth hut raw him afterwards, did not in-
quhe III, name. never troubled my head With it,
sL.at mir hg ha lean tails tnar
he was m Iri,bmao, an knglirhman. or Scotchman;
had no curiosity; had curiosity enough; had the
DARK lantern in my hand took At Oh tue after sky
light; never put 1t out Of my hand. IL a double
lamp, 30 that turning the top half round it showed
bright light Kept it perfectly dark until got close
the berth the lam about inches hi gh whom
the man aud the girls covered up their heads I WAS
perfectly -atshed and went up on deck; did not say
sby thing to the bat did TO the g'rs; but dad
that time. anything to the grls there the
predicansnt last night repeated It IT, them sepsras
; told one IN Que side the gsugsay, aud the other
the other; did not hear what said TO the otaer;
IL was sbDut o'clock 10 the morning; sat down and
told one and then vent and told the other eau
not FAY positively which told FIRST; the irst told
gave slight Flap the face, che did not lay any
Thing; put my around her neck, aud kissed nor;
the other served ths way she did not slap
the face make me any reply
q D,d you ks her. or she you
We'll sir IL was a little oi both.
I q Did che kiss your
She did at the same time Kissed her; at this
time of them sitting with her face towards her
b,ith and tn. other was sitting alongside the BERTH
q Did you have sexual intercourse with either
OF those girls, yourself'
Q-Mhen You put your hands upon their naked
persons as you have stated what garments had they
A-Tbey had n petticoata night gown, and night
cap; also n cbem-..
O. Did you put your hands upon the naked s persons
sci except ~ that serthi
q Wa &c before after you tho the
berth with thcmi
q. Doyou mean to swear that you cannot tell who
tk.r you indecstey handled their pers-us before you
saw the In the berth with them, or sfter~srdf
@ IIs~ often did Jon handle their persons when they
were In the berth together,
A don't kno~ bo~ many times
q Were they both in he berth together when you
handled their persons therel
q Did you 20 handle their pcrfons m ore THAI once,
vbsa they Ia the berth-~hen they we're both in
A Nes. err, did mere than t~ioe-nnore than three
timss-ju-t four tlmet
6. hof did you know IL was just four times,
a. Because hey we're bOtD there when did It,
nuw much time eispsed ssy days. bctseen these
times,
fur days q each either
Witbrss continued; The steerage passengers msss-
ed tog,tb'r. cannot Say VINO this passu1ger mess
ed With he w,d to take particular care an diog
the cooking for those two grs lac used G. take the
th,m aud thea bring 10 down 10 tben g. Eat; dont
kLow whether the girl- kuss him not they used TO
make ths intrYp- pretty Tee with hin. he ued ~
himself pretty fire. with them. oitFr paid this
aiestion 20 the giris 1, thsir meals dariog the
voyage nev'rtook much notice ~ their intimacy With
other yertuIr during the dayiim- tnrrr
vatche- N. stsrb aud ,srbpafd wa, in the
bcaid watch " begin 'Ssry four npur. day aud Mig
tha. brunfh every fur hours at the fore part
the voyage the che. 4 of these girls stood m he foot
rsrt Of thor hertBi dont kn1w wb"n thoJ ~ere
moved VISITED ttm ~ min bei IN before the
ga bed Sitb u en-. bDt cannot ssy nos Often,
paced through M gauRwsy 10 thrir berth; never
ktss,d them wniie taey lifting both together
"a, tb.,t t,ld them of tia capt .ius conduct
t.ssrds the -te~ni dess never t'id thrta On"
INTENDED to take ~ then stre aresf; never adj
y..d th b. " be Of the dbctOr
e the hip cabut trcnlrct -hrthet. vhen the girl
oteu.d ~. d,ss shoS ue her plaster her sister
pfssrut not. " Wa IN szr about an tech sqlare;
shs ND not take che pla Ter 0 y b"s long ~ nst
teen IN; cauuo' wh-th-r this tODk place fore
saw VI, man d bed with them ~ not IL vas before
tLe ship srnted don't tbJw Sho he tom he thst
slept with the gris durng the fret part % the p.sts
uuD hnuw hcw tong she sept VIA them I m'ght
told lie sb.t he NJ N he'd