The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1849-02-13

cision OF the Chair, Mr. Piesldenti
Mr. 'YULEE will take appeal for the purpose
The VICE PRESIDENT stated the question upon the
nANGu nsi,. rhs point is to IN me- simple
Chair; and will appeal to the honorable Senator from
New Hampshire, that he will obtain his entire object by
ms out Tor s y on
and the Senate refuse to strike out be then move TO
strike ont and insert. to add to the bill should be
unwilling to override the Chair upon doubtful question,
and his entire object can be obtained in this way.
Mr. HALE declined 10 Withdraw his amendment
The VICE PRESIDENT. The amendment Of the
committee is to strike out the proviso The amendment
of the Senator from New Hampshire is to add
Sand to insert the following.
sand all laws and parts Of heretofore passed. author
Of the United States. be and the hereby
pealed."
So that if the amendment succeeds. the clause will
read
"For compensation of the Secretary of Navy, and tho
clerks messenger and assistant messenger In his office
$2i $50 and all laws, &c., repealed"
Mr.. CALHOUN / understand that these words are
in amendment of the original words. What was the
Ths VICE PRESIDENT. To strike out the follow
ing proyiso:
Provided, That it shall be, and hereby is, made the
duty OF the Secretary of the Navy forthwith publish
Mr.. CALHOUN. According to my conception of the
rule. there no motion in order but what proessedly
amendment OF words to be stricken out. You can
hold the parliamentary rule to be clear, that when
words proposed be stricken and others insert
ed they must be in amsnimcn OF those words
not.entirely conform to that explanation The amend
men the committee proposed to strike out the pro-
sqbs The pecs Of
and merely propose 10 abolish that practice in little
different manner 1t seems to me that my amendment
exactly within the rule laid down by the senator
Mr. DICKINSON. consler the motions entirely
different One is the motion OF committees the other is
HALE They ought TO be. taken in the order OF prece
dence The motion of the committee should be disposed
OF first, and we will dispose OF the other when we come
Mr. ATHERTON. The motion OF the committee is to
strike the provso. The senator from New Hampshire
moves to amend that motion by inserting some other
words instead OF the prOvsO addition TO the striking
of the provso Now, sir, contend that the motion
to strike out and the motion strike out and insert
different motions, and you cannot alter motion 10 strike
out into motion TO strike out and insert, by way of
amendment; you alter motion to strike out and
insert into simple motion to strike out. by way of
to strike out and insert is ndivsibe The rule provides
for AZ cases, and provides that no advantage shall be
taken OF technical forms,
lieve him and the Senate of the difficulty. will con-
to withdraw my amendment until after the question
shall have been taken upon striking out and then will
The VICE PRESIDENT. Does the senator withdraw
IT,. T..
Mr.. BADGER. said when was up before. sir. that
considered this result of mistaken philanthropy; and
urged, being entitled to some weight and consdera-
discipline which had prevailed in the navy from the
formation of government Now, sir, if wanted any
evidence to S satisfy me that the Plan proposed BY the
of mistaken philanthropy, he has furnished it to in
the answer he has given to what stated. He says, in
the first place. that he has little respect for anything
human. Well, sir, Is the senator's amendment divine
Does the senator claim that his plan anything above hui
MANI He originates it here Is personally above those
human beings who established the government provided
the for the discipline Of the navy and who have
exacted it from the commencement OF the government
down to the present day Surely the senator does not
mean that Then here two human things. One has
been adopted and enforced for than half century
Under its operation, the senator confesses, navy
has acquired the most signal glory and has shown itself
at all times capable only of defending the country
but of adding the highest to its reputation 1t is
undoubed fact that in naval service on the earth
there prompt obedience and among the general mass
cheerful and ready obedience Then, sir, we have two
human Livingstone originated to-day-the effect of it
unknown and unried; and that according to the honor
able senator's view, gives 1t preference over the Oppo
site SYSTEM because that has existed for than half
century, and has been tried and found to produce the
most beneficial results.
always given TO every plan Of reforming antqlaed long
established usage and old abuses. Has the senator
shown this TO be an abuse Has he offered any argu-
ment, stated any fact, to show it? have said nothing
about maintaining abuses because they are old say
and believe it will be admitted by every man-that It is
some recommendation of principle that it has pre-
vailed for half century, and has been found productive
of the most beneficial results. Ies-
But the talks about abuses. What abuses!
Does everything become an abuse because has been
long continued! The senator calls this abuse. An
abuse of whate Why, sir it can only be an abuse Of
power, upon the supposOn that II Is unnecessary. No
punishment is suffered in the naval service, if it
be enable the service to discharge the du
tics which it TO the country Can it be an abuse,
the exercise of unnecessary power to accomplishing
great ends of national defence II ing nor less
than an absurity TO call it abuse. Therefore,
der that the senator should show that it abuse, he
must in the first place, show that the exercise of this
is unnecessary that the object to be accomplished
Has he shown it Has he offered Argument or the
shadow of one, to show it No, Sir What has he
done! Why he has given declamatory statements
about the rights of humanity Well, what more has
he done Why, SIR he has INDUCED in rhetorical
aygeraons. calculated to do more injury to the cher
ment and all the officers connected with it, than the
buerest of enemies beyond the ocean could have
circulated He has stated here that, according TO the
records from January to December. the blood is
streaming from the backs OF the sailors in the service of
the United States. Now sir, is it SO The honorable
his own knowledge. not being acquainted with that
branch of the service II grave and serious charge
for il is reflection upon the country. that our seamen
should be turned over and through the whole course OF
the year that nothing should be witnessed but scenes OF
barbary and Of blood running from their backs
and commanding officers feasng their heIilsh pro-
penses with the sight OF human suffering; and yer me
senator says in the breath that he bears VIKING
testimony to the humane character OF the great oouy
commanding officers in service. now is !. hc,'' s'
Is it that the Secretary of the Navy and the OF
the United States so deeply lmoueo viii . ,h .,