The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1849-02-21

mode in which have introduced the pfoposuon, un.
they have heard in regard TO it, and know the con
claory feelings that possess in reference TO tue DE
cision of this matter. would withdraw the PROPOSE
ton without asking fer vote upon H. II Goula mnu o
believe thai the general sense OF the senate 10
adopt no such measure this. would, IN sucn case,
pledge myself 80 far to withdraw the proposition
trust under these circumstances that 1t will not be con-
sidered violation of parliamentary Practice and that
senators will consent for the sake OF convenience, to
dispense with the rigid forms OF practice IN regard to
moton of this description; for If they exclude the mo-
ton because they find il in this unpalaabe they
will have the precedent rising against them hereafter
on other occasions, when may be desirable that such
proposition should be entertained 1t has been the par
aInenary practice in England for many years, and rs
been found be the best for securing the privileges OF
legislative bodies.
MIR BUTLER beg to say word or two in relation
to the question of order that have raised satisfied
that the amendment proposed by the senator from Ten
nessee finds precedent anywhere You will recollect
that the senator from Illinois gave notice the first day
of the session Of his intention to introduce his bill and
that he introduced in accordance with the form oil pro-
ceedings in this body The bill was referred TO com
mttees and report made upon It, and subsequently
the senator from illinois thought proper materially to
mody the bill He offered substitute for the original
bill, and 1t thought necessary being IN accord
with the usual course of proceeding in this body,
that il should be referred to a committee.
Now these bills essentially different The first bill
proposed to organize the territory lying beyond the Sierra
Nevada, and establish government there the other bill
applied TO New Mexico also. The bill introduced under
the SANCTION Of the select committee PROPOSED to organize
Now, the senator from Tennessee comes IN with an
amendment, which has not the advantage of having
received the examination OF any committee to have the
whole of this territory admitted into the Union
an appropriation bill. Now, is this congruous or in
improper motives; it would be highly improper for me
TO do do not even accuse him OF exercising what
may be called parliamentary address, much less do ac'
him of art6ce. have no doubt but the senator Is
aculted by proper moves and that he acts under due
of his responsibility senator; and II he IS sus-
tanned by the Senate amending appropriation bill by
nrNpn finn Of hIa kIDd nF |
acknowledge that he is in the right understand the Chair
TO determine that the amendment is proper and If is not
ruled otherwise by the Senate must OF course yield 10
determination OF majority; but take it upon myself
TO say that the amendment Is improper and incongruous
and in aspects of it most dangerous form OF pro-
ceeding say dangerous, because il is without prece-
dent in the proceedings of this body 1t has none OF the
qualifications which would render proper to be at
tached TO this bill; it has not had the examination OF
committee shall vote to sustain the appeal taken BY
the senator from New Hampshire.
Mr.. KING | cannot agree with senator's IN the ground
they take with regard to this proposition being Out OF or
der that it is nconguous, we must all admit The sense
OF proprety which every gentleman must feel ought TO
prevent him from bringing forward propositions foreign to
the subject matter under consideration II is true when
propositions are evidently and VIGOROUSLY incongruous
they rarely lead any discussion but rejected at once
But the Chair has decided, and maintain decided cor
ton submitted by the senator from Tennessee is in
der. The senator from Tennessee, however. it appears
to me, has taken very erroneous view OF the duty
the existing state OF circumstances, we all feel ANXIOUS
as anxious perhaps the senator from Tennessee
fee-tat something should DC done IN order TO give gov
acquired from Mexico But the senator took some pains
show the Senate that this is the only chance OF c
fecng that object, and that if this opportunity be al
lowed to pass by, no other will be afforded. But sena
tors will remember that have bill now before rs,
reported by select committee, embracing this very OBJ
ecttbat OF establishing government over The terrific
res. When that bill comes up-and it is in the power
of the Senate 10 call up when they choosche sena-
tor can offer his amendment and propose such modifca
hn maui htpED tn AMI
say in regard TO is, that the ncSngruty OF the
amendment does not according to parliamentary law;
prevent The from submitting the proposition.
regret that he has done so, however think he has
consulted either the convenience OF the Senate the
despatch of its business the probability OF settling
this question by submitting the proposition at this time
trust he will reconsider it, and will content himself with
amending the bill reported by the senator from Illinois
when that bill comes up. shall listen 10 the senator
then with great pleasure; and if any other mode be
devised by which government can be extended to the
people of those territories for one will be prepared to
that object And hope that my honorable friend from
Tennessee will relieve us from the difficulty OF acting
upon the proposiea in connection with this appropra-
ton bill Let this bill be first disposed OIL conhninS The
appropriations much possible TO those objects for
which appropriations now authorized by law, and
then take up this exciting subject and endeavor if posi-
be TO bring about such arrangement as may be most
conducive the interest OF the country appeal there
fore, the senator from Tennessee TO withdraw the
proposlton and us from the necessity OF voting up
it this connection, because some senators will doubt
less give their votes upon the ground OF Its nconyruy
or if after proaced sson, should be decided to
be admissible, you will thereby establish rule OF prac-
tice which may embarrass the Senate hereafter
MIR. WALKER. Mr.. President wish 10 make few
observations reply to some OF the remarks OF the SEN
ator from Tennessee The coniounls the amend
TO the amendment with the amendment itself, and
says the be OF order the other must, OF course,
also be out of order. take that there wide dis
tnction between the amendment to the amendment and
the amendment which had the honor to offer. My
amendment proposes relate to the subjects OF revenue
subjects which, it occurs to me, might be very properly
rad hv he COm tee on Ia
in regard to those laws which OF revenue
which regulate the modes OF raising revenue, and the
provisions which go to protect the order peace and quiet
of those orics absolutely necessary to the
cution of those laws which proposed
tend thher.
In vain may you extend the land laws. in vain may
you extend the laws in relation 10 the collection OF Q
nue. officers be robbed with IMMUNITY If you suffer
Reorganization, umult and crime to stalk abroad over
the land you cannot enforce those laws which my
amendment proposes to extend there
therefore simply wish to call the attention OF the Sen
ate to this distinction The amendment to the amendment
proposes create government in those territories,
while my amendment proposes simply to extend to those
them and which, in financial point of view, 1t is neces-
say to extend to them must therefore, protest against
the idea that if the Senate decide that the amendment to
the amendment be of ORDER that decision shall carry
my amendment with it, and declare also out OF order
AS look upon the matter there very wide distinction
II would be very proper if the subject matter OF the
amendment had been considered by the Committee on
Finance, and been suffered to be incorporated INTO the bill
making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic ex-
penses OF the government but it would not be proper tor
them to consider matters establishing government IN
detail either OF those territories and hope this dis