The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-12-15

the ee soil party and defended the of his par
~ In trying to obtain proper number of their
bers the several committees He was understood to
say that from the remarks Of the member from Mary
the committees the free sellers could not expect to be
heard upon any committee, II the member from Mas
sachusets (Mr. winthrop) had been elected Speaker
They therefore were justified In not voting for him
Mr.. winthrop corrected the gentleman in matter
OF fact. The Committees on Judiciary District Of Co.
and four democrats. And owing to the death Of one
member and the absence Of another these
land was correct in stating that in the great commit
tees Of Ways and Means and others six wings three
democrats had been placed His predecessor Mr. Davis
Of Indiana, had set him precedent and he did not
know but such had been the rule since he (Mr. w J
had been member Of the House. now for ten years
Another for the probably to prevent
In Of the absence Of a member the very state of
affairs now have in the House, namely q division
or an impossibility Of action.
Mr. McLArE explained. that he did net in the least
mean to reflect upon the late Speaker. What he had
said Was to impress upon his own party that close
ness Of vote, or tie, should induce them to elect
Speaker OF the opposite party for of what party the
Speaker belonged TO- no matter by whom chosen to
that party would be given the maj srity on the CON-
mittees.
Mr.. ALLEN then concluded his remarks.
Mr.. HrLLiARD considered the gentleman from Mas
sachusetts who had just concluded (hr Aen) cool
and as calm man as ever he had listened to IN his
life While no passion was betrayed 1t was still there
He MT H) bad no passion but what was evident in
his language. lie wished the people of the country
and particularly Of the North to understand that the
feeling shown is not altogether dramatic affair 1t
from Georgia (Mr Toombs) had spoken with consider
able feeling, but II with feeling that could not
have been suppressed, and he had not spoken he
had to-day, his people would have spoken that feeling
for him lie would tell gentlemen calmly and delibs-
rstely that there never such feeling this sab
ject at the South exits tell gentlemen, that
II they pass the Wimot proviso the best friends OF
this Union must part. IL part Of his purpose
calculate the value Of the Union that could not be
conceived But once let 1t be dissolved and when and
how can it be bound together sgsin' He would say to
gentlemen from the orth and South that the Wmot
- hntl<
Union must be dissolved We all remember the elo-
quent speech Of the gentemsh from Virginia. Mr Me-
the beauty Of the Union and the motto The Union
must be preserved" He (Nr. II had borne that ban.
ner during the pact year. he carried with him around
his dtrict he had spoken to his people upon it, had
battled for it had told them that he knew there was
too much justice In the people the North to attempt
to degrade them that the wimot proviso could never
pass both these houses Speaking Of these things he
felt compelled to say that these measures were per.
sisted in. the Union is gone He struck with the
fgurs used by the gentleman from Massachusetts, that
they who spoke Of dissolvng this Union, could not
of the marble columns Of this hall he
would remind that gentleman that the hand of q child
might throw a torch into the temple which would
sumo It, MIR II explained at length hts course Ia the
caucuswhich had nominated MIR Winthrop aud said his
for not separating himself and for wishing his
political friends not to separate from the whig party In
this election belief and one which he still enter
tanned that by remaining with them their oral nu-
ence would be greater than a separation lie called
upon gentlemen TO stop; TO pause the brink Of
the preoipice and contemplate what they would do.
continued then they would GO down and take the
South with them, to ruin This wilmot prsviso was
to be pressed upon them. What is this Wilmot pre-.
vso IL proviso which Is to exclude the people Of
the South from the common territory Of the MON;
territory acquired by the of the blood
and treasure, well OF the South Of the North Is
1t the territory Of the North Isit theirs by purchase
OF by conquest Have no share in IT. My then
do they dare TO exclude usl Why this eYfontery In
denying us a participation in its value TINS con-
struoton placed the constitution by the gentleman
from Illinois (Air Baker) Is an uDsound one. No In.
depreciation Of the constitution, not based upon JUS
tice, ever be recognised.
MIR. scHENcK-The gentleman mistakes the charac-
Zion 10 escnss pbe peons Of What ar. called abs
slave States from these territories This IA not correct
IL Is the provision that s In the ordinance q
1857 shat neither slavery nor Involuntary ssrvtude
shall exist in the territory northwest OF the Ohio river
except crime nc That provision OF that ordinance
extended over the State represent and the dis
trict Of which am the particular representative
No~. come here by the votes Of the people Of that
district, the majority Of whom have come there from
there enjoy all the blessings secured by that ordinance
They not excluded rom the territory by that
Vision.
MT HmLraHn-This Ia not the time for discussing
whether the ordinance Of 's7 proper not; that
day has long since gon. by "Wilmot proviso thu
popular name now tor the provision aud such we had
called It, The question now Is whether the southern
PEOPLE to be excluded with their property from
the common territory Of the Unions territory gained
by the common blood Of the whole Union How do
they dare TO rice up here and exclude us from
rhnre in it, Gentlen said they had tnten
tiCn TO make infammatOry speeches on this subject
and he desired TO warn gentlemen that there must be
psufe In these Aggressive proceedings, There
those here who aways ready TO discuss this sub
jet. lie had spoken calmly and quietly tho sent.
N Dts entertained by the people he represented lie
called them 10 pause 70 -ten 10 the resolutions II
VngiDa passed BY her Leg,ature; to the resolutions
Of Asbaina passed by her Legislature; TO the resolu-
lions Of Mis'issipr ps,sed by her Legslatures and
they would that the people Of the whole South
raised upon this question. The people Of the South
would never submit 30 any degradation and they would
hail any event than suffer degradation for q
single moment lie appealed 10 all to pause, that the
dark cloud nov lowering above them might not burst
and scatter ruin upon the whole land and then gave
wsyto
Mir Hrrr.rp, of Alabama, who said that Yesterday he
spoke about having written letter TO the gentleman
from Indiana, (Nr. Brown) lie rose to say that IL
would be published In tie Union to morrow morning
desire was expressed that 10 should be read, and
MIR Human read the letter IL was dated the 1eth
instant and after stating that IL written for the
purpose Of mutual understanding and TO justify hi,
vote before his constituents two nerrogatoriss were
yropourdsd, viz Are you In favor OF the Wilmot pro-
visol and DO you believe that Congress pass any
act TO abolish slavery, or pass any act to effect the
object'
A member inquired; What was the answer ~
hr. Human replied that the gentleman brosght to
s Dim, h MN nns IN sor
several gentlemen ssld that they we're satisfied, and
they all voted for MIR. Brown.
Mir. BHows was Understood TO say that what he said
three OF four years ago be maintained now.
Mir HnLIsEp concluded his remarks by saying that
the Union IL be saved by refrsining from sggressons
the measures seitsted.
MIR CoSRAp, Of Louisiana, said that he had listened
with attention and pain TO the discussion OF to-
day. He regretted that II had taken place In his opi
nion 10 ltimed, premature and could be rroduo-
tive Of no good, but q much evil. The gentleman
from Georgia made, certainly very eloquent appeal,
and Mr. 4. had listened TO IL With great pleasure.
with most Of the opinions the gentleman uttered he
entirely copcurrtd, and many Of the sentiments met
with hearty response In his bosom. 10 unneces
sary tbst he should give the TO others Who
addressed the House to-day, but they would allow
him TO say that they had sounded alarm which he
feared would not be csnhned TO the walls " this hall
but the wings Of lightning u would ny throughout
the land. They sounded the alarm before 10 was
necessary. The gentleman from Georgia said that be
perceived the sole difficulty which frustrated an at
tempt TO organize TO be sectional feeling here, and that
both parties sought 10 organize the House with sec.
tiorsl feelings Mr. q. wished 70 say, and this he did
With unmirgled pleasure, and with the utmost sim
cety, that his observation Of the proceedings Of the
House had brought him To directly opposite conclu
Zion He thought that the dificuty was In trying to
prevent organization on sectional position. Are not
the Northern In majority II they had desired
they might have organized the rtt day lie believed
that there we're one hundred and three belonging to
the democrats proper, Che did not speak OF the few
Wiluot proviso men, who we're elected on that prn-
ciple) Mr.. Cobb, the cspdinste Of the democratic