The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-11-07

interfere in Rome and accordingly she sent an army
the Ihs S which for two years directed
for an arbitrator violently resisted Our soldiers
always worthy Of themselves overcams all OBJ
stacles, as they did formerly at Lodi and Ar
cole They did more-they behaved SO prudently
and moderately, that their conduct has been for us
the left) France once present At Rome bv her srmv
could not commit the OF herself forcing
the holy father whom she came to deliver from vio-
ence She was bound to restore to him his throne and
his liberty for such her mission But she desired,
from circumstances, right which has but very
rsrely-that of giving him counsel IT, In ordinary cir.
cumstances one sovereign should presume to say to
another" You acting ill., conduct yourse II in sno
Their manner" he would commit an act Of usurpation
and improperly But sovereign who comes to re-
establish another in common interest of order huma-
nifty, religion and political equilibrium, finds In the
to act the right of giving advice France, In making
the effort which shs had made had right to suppl;
VOICE How supplicats?
M. THEIRS addressing the Left am really surprised
at the Interruption; yes, am sstonshed that homo
rshe have not sufficient pride to comprehend
the value and force If that expression when applied to
power which has not 500 900 men (Loud applause
on the right NJ Theirs, in continustion-France has
right to supplicats the Pope to adopt
tisy his populstions and to sppesse whatever legt
mate discomfort might exist france found the holy
father not less generous less liberal than In 1Sa7
But circumstances had unfortunately changed. They
who had made Of his benefits to throw Italy into
princes-had produced double amount Of prejudces
amongst all the enemies Of Italian liberty and whose
H.. a commencement
reign had so courageously aronted. The difficulties
slresdy great at the beginning of Roman liberty had
consequently sngularly increased by the Of that
liberty during the two years which had passed over
France had right to say that there danger alike
to grant too little we'll to grant too much She
had right to say that the Roman administration as
1t exsted up to the accession of Plus TX imposs
BILE to be maintained In the States of the Holy Sse IL
We contest to the Romans the right OF overturning in
the Pope necessary to all Christian Europe no one
can deny that they are entitled to have just and
Hebten.d government, and In conformity with the
morals and habits of the present day Plus TX under
star ds perfectly all these truths and FIRST important
act has just emanated from his free snd we'll
wi-tne mefu p'oPto, that has given rise to much
discussion. Your committee has maturely examined
that act-po that it thinks that France has right to
decide the merit Of the institutions of foreign
people; but it examined it, in order to ascertain
whether the councils which she had right give had
borne such fruit would lead her not to her
Intervention in Roman affairs Well then, by O very
great majority Your committee declares that it per-
ceves IN the motu Tropro first benefit OF real cha
ractsr and the value II which nothing but unjust pre-
judice can prevent any one from perceiying That
document we will examine In detail when the public
disc custom comes on But at present, combining our
selves to considering the principle Of the
may say that ii gives such municipal and provincial
Liberties rs are desirabe and that to what ressr
Political liberty such consists In deciding tho affairs
Of country in two assemblies, In concert with
the executive power for instance in England it IL
true that the rop,o does not accord it. or
that only gives the first rudments Of It, under
form Of consuta deprived OF deberativs voice The
real question: then is thisto ascertain II the Roman
has succeeded in giving herself after centuries Of
experience and Efforts. That is question of immense
resolve and the subject Of which 1t important for
him and for the Christian world not to any risk
hat he should in that have preferred the side pru.
denceh after the experience which he has just mad
be sheud prefer not to again throw open the Of
political sgitations to people who had showed them
selves 70 i'll at in them do not recognise In
selves any right to blame him for, and We see no
q sson Why we should do Municipal aud provincial
iberties are first education through which Is useful
n IA slasfr aAf tAfh
hem prsmaturey and violently into the stormy
4 political liberty Now, the important act called
he mofu Irofrfe snpposes an ensemble Of laws which
ire to reform the civil legislation, the equity
n the tribunals lead to just distribution OF public
ure TO the Romans, In word, the advantages ola wise
Ind liberal government These laws are announced |
md the word Of rius iX sufces to all doubts
ronics laughter on the Lefty But the oounses VI |
rance ought TO be directed in such way to con-
I.rt into an efficient matter this mou yroyrio and |
bovs all to have the olemency of the pontn extended
o ali those who may be amnestied without danger to
'ublic order. That ought to be the work of iu- |
nruence continued with prudence calm and respects
IN influence which should constitute, repeat, in
admissible preension, II imperative circumstances had
Tot led us TO exercise it, bu. which, confined within
'spdsnce and dignity Of the Holy See. Applause on
he ldgbtl But, IN presence Of the results obtained
vatican where they occupy the place which the Aus
rian soldiers would occupy whore they have conduct
ID themselves as vaiienty and prudsAtly As they have
iope where, In fine IL Is so notorious that they there
the principal benefits which Plus IN. had literally
dispensed to his people on his accession. New the
question is ought they to remain there still for any
tn time "a question certainly disult to be re-
olved for u impossible to declare the moment when
he Pope may be able to do without our armv In A
,ountry which has been the thsatre Of such recent
'ommotops. The interest OF France is to sbridge
much ~ possible this occupation for she does
70 make conquest, or to sxercis. usurpsd domino.
ion She desires to accomplish the task which neoss
ary belonged to Of the catholic powers Of
restoring the Holy Father and consolidating him
his throne by rssopciDg not his person, which had
need Of It, bat his government, with the prudent
Ind enlightened part Of the Roman population, by
means Of wise and useful reforms portion OF our
afk 10 plished We desire that the rest should
be accomplished as ,oon ~ possible, and that
roops should leave the Holy Father (whom they
to deliver and not to oppress peacesbly esta
blished In his States The government has naturally
adopted for the credits demanded the end u the year
to financial rules Fer the present mo-
nept, IT has not thought at, nor eau either, to
sssan any other . !Loud mark. Of apProbation)
Ordeted to be printed and distributed.
Nj de L.srs,ss presented the report on the sup
pleD, ntsry credits
mittee on the Budget sreport demanding an inquiry
INTO the general services of the navy.
These reports were ordered to be printed and dis
III, sitting then brought to close at quarter.
past four.
Foreign Ansirs ON tine roman Q"estios.
LEGISLATIVE Reconnaissance oV rauRsDsr Der Is
This being the day appointed for the discussion on
The affairs CT Rome the public trbunes were orowdet
qsarter past one
The order Of the day vas the discussion on tho bill.
a msndirg supplementary credits for the French ex
petition 70 Rene.
M nv Toceurvnir. Minister Of Foreign Affairs as
ceNdsd the tribune and stated that he purposed be-
fore the discussion took place to lay before the Assem-
bly,, with perfect freedom. the course which the
gov eut had pursued and what IL intended to do
the future. lie did not think 1t necessary to 10
the whole q the grouhd already go frequently
examined lie would bowever, say, that IL had been
the object Of all those who origCay voted the expe
dition Co Rome, to restore the Pope
yoicrs TVS LrFr (with q sudden burst Of excla-
Mo-
ON the right In reply. with equal ensrsyYes.
Great nsi,e and Interruption took place here, which
lasted some time
The MiNisIsR % FoRrcN Abrams must observe that
he did not suse TO those who voted against the expe
ditiop but TO those who voted for II renewed inter
ru ption on the left
1be PntsDrSr. Here, before the discussion begins
you are introducing dispute-do keep sleut.
The NlrSnrgE oF EosEiG, AfFaiRs--It was also de-
csrsd that that reformation ought to be liberal and
element Laying down these principles a the point
d. d,5 orf the negotiations we're entered s1d pur-
SUED lie might state. that once the French army
established - Rome the French goveinment set alb Jut