The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-06-30

compensation under this set might be answered
since It would be question Of sufaoisncy Of proof
Under the words unjust Unnecessary or wsntou de-
struct the commissioners make inquiry into the cir
cumstances Of all claims and those words gave much
greater latitude In dealing with them.
Mr.. DRuhMoHp, In few pithy and pointed sentences
opposed the motion Of Mr. Herries.
and wider field than the Interpretation Of coion.a
act; It went to the question, what to be the
s Of Of s eony II wGnd be =.
adopt the very terms which they had rejected when
proposed by Mr.. Wilson's and he warned the House to
beware how they reversed, without sufficient reason
the deliberate act Of the Assembly.
Mr. HUME observed that it not often he approved
thought the had been taken which ought to be
adopted towards all our colonies There only
considered that this had nothing to do with the
details OF the BILL 1t was against the principle of
fponsiible government which meant that colony
should, therefore, BIO allowed to carry out this act
which afectedlocal, not imperial interests.
MIR NEwpEGATE complained Of the eccentric course
pursued by MIR. Gladstone, and Of that part OF Mr.
Humes speech in which the opponents Of the Amc-
rcan rympathizers had been up with the rioters
OF Montreal; he also combated his views the sub
ject of responsible colonial government Such act
as this was an insult to the Crown and its sanction
would be dangerous precedent. He should vote with
Mr.. Herries
Sir w. WORDSWORTH should vote with Lord j.
Russell, whose speech, sound in principle aad liberal
in sentiment that of we'll versed in the true
principles OF colonial policy. That policy had been
to interfere in colonial affairs the plea of protect
ing Imperial interests; the consequence had boen
discomfort in the colonies, which would not be al
layed until the old policy was changed, and such
interference should take place only in of real
and urgent necessity to prevent immediate injury to
great imperial interests. In showing that such q
c,ss,ty bsd lot been made out in this Sir William
entered fully into the history of the Canadian In
,mnty Acts whence he inferred that the act in
ton had really been introduced at the instance Of the
Colonial Office AID had therefore, been virtually
toned ny the imperial government
Mr.. ANsrEy supported the motion, which offered a
middle course and in an argument OF great length,
labored to show that this act for the Of
rebels the completion of long series OF
by which the loyal in the colony depressed and
the doya TO persist in their evil
Mr MtccRrcoR believed that the rejection Of this
act would create discomfort in Canada weud lead
the people Of that colony to believe that the idea of
their having responsible government illusion,
and that they could be deprived Of 1t at the caprice Of
the home government
MIR. ApprnInr said, If this act did not trench upon
imperial tercsts there desire to with
ii and it not of the itself that he
planned bat because Of the ambiguous circumstanc
connected with it, He, however reluctantly declined
to vote with hr Herries because his motion too
late the Crown II it refused its assent after its dele
gate in the colony had sanctioned the act would stu
tify itself.
Mr.. MILnEs said, when the question of indemnity In
Upper Canada occurred this question ought to have
ceded, after the union of the two Provinces the As
temb'y Of the two Canadss gave indemnity to Lower
made by Lord Egin, but by Lord Cathcsrt, in 1876
Inc rejection OF the act was sought by minority,
the strength Of certain amount Of popular agitation;
# that minority succeeded against the wishes of the
maj rity the ction between the mother country
and the colony would be endangered.
The Marquis Of GRANNY said the question had be-
| come narrowed to this-whether, by adopting the
motion Of MIR erries the house would act contrary
the principle OF responsible government. Lord j. Rus
sell had acknowledged that there were cases in which
would be the duty Of the government to interfere
Sss sS hs nnSs nc Ina Int
rebels must be compensated II So not this i'm
perial question: and in which the government
IN Ia Ay
able to Mr. Gladstone between the he had taken
and the direct and explicit motion Of Mr. Herries, In
which he copcurrcd believing the act to be derogatOry
TO this country inconsistent principles Of JUS
ce and calculated to tarnsh the honor Of tho crown
Mr.. LABoUcHERE agreed that, under system of
sponsibe government cases might arise in which IL
would be the duty of he imperial government to in
terere and II he that this act
ly framed to insult the British and aront
part OF the population of Canada who had distinguished
themselves in suppressing rebellion repelling nva-
sion he should advise its rejection at all hazards But
he did not believe that act like this agreed in
the House OF Assembly by As to 10, designed .
studied insult the crown All admitted that an in
demny bill just measure, and the only question
was, whether this improper al as would war
rant its rejection He denied that 1t So and de-
precaed the adoption Of resolution which would DO
regarded in Canada deliberate afront to their
personalities, and an undessrved imputation upon
their loyalty and good faith.
Mr.. BANKEs did not object to amnesty but he did
object to compensation for treason and he thought
had been made out for interposing delay in
giving the royal assent to this act
Sir X. PEEL felt that the argument exhausted,
yet ne could not give his vote without brief expana
ton lie did not put the construction upon amend
ment which had been assumed by Mr.. Bankes. He
considered it to be substantially this Ito pray the
Crown not to to the until certain
should be made in it, which, whether designed or for
tuiteus, were identical with the amendments proposed
by the minority in the House of Assembly and reject
cd Parliament, therefore, was asked to engage in q
conflict In which 1t ought to engage if the honor
Of the crown impsrativey required it but they
stances The claim Of Upper Canada to be compen-
rated from the imperial treasury had been rejected
this act appropriated colonial fund for colonial pur
pores II was passed by large majority and the
lysis OF the votes showed that in its extent and its
constitution the elements Of that majority worthy
Of consideration. Paying high compliment to Lord
Egin who, considering the difficulty of his position
bad acted with great frmness and impartiality Sir
Robert examined the scope and language Of the
carly indemnify acts, and observed. that after the
claims OF Upper Canada had been provided for the re-
lection Of this act for Lower Canada would be pecu-
harly invidious unless its provisions materially
at variance with the other Did the honor OF
the Crown require this extraordinary interpostion!
Crown! He was Of opinion it would be q much
wser course to leave the discretion responsible
a contest with the majority Of the Canadian As.
sembly. The declaration Of Lord Elgn, tho assn.
rance Of Lord j. Russell and the legal opinion Of
would be applied In Lower Canada as in Upper Ca
lada; and he therefore deprecated course on the
part Of that houss which, whilst 1t would be destruc
tive If the principle OF responsible government would
cloud the prospect OF permanent and cordial connec
welfare and prosperity which all felt deep interest
MIR. DisRAELi said, the real question was whether
her Majesty 'houd exercise her constitutional veto.
II the opinion of the majority conclusive what
was the ufe Of a veto' The case was simple one
there there not scheme, under this act,
which affected The honor and grossly furnished the
credit Of tho Crown Was tn, there not, in
the conduct Of the Minister Of Canada hos
tile to interests which ought t. be protected Detail
ing the Of Colsnel Chisholm be thence inferred
that che policy Of the Canadian government to
reward loyal men With reference to the precedent
Of Upper Canada, Sir II Peel had told them that
the word "leyap' was not inserted in the law Of
that province. and other members had asserted
that that law less restrictive than this for the
nipple reason that there indigenous rebels in
Upper Canada After exporting the procee dings Of the
Canadian authorities, and the petitioBng conspi-
racy,'' Mr.. Disraeli indicated the motion of Mr.
Heries which he contrasted with the "ao-nothing',
fpeech Of MIR. Gladstone and appealed to the house
ny their vote to sacrifice the national honor the
roy al word.
Mr. HERsrRT said, If the assurances given that the
act was not intended to compensate rebels were con-
elusive this WAS imperial question, local one:
hut the letter O he .ri.i.