The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-10-18

his advice, but took the money he spoke Of counter
felt money; witness and Carpenter were at the time
speaking Of Androsss arrest for passing counterfeit
money Carpenter said he had been there Cat the ps
where the counterfeit money given Andross) at
different times he did not name any but An
dross being there did not the persons whom
advised Andross not to take the money from; he said
he knew the person who gave the counterfeit money
| being present when 1t was given.
Q-Did he say how he knew the persons who gave the
| money TO Audroest
| A By seeing them there,
| Cross examined - Remembers some portion Of his
conversation with Carpenter but it impossible that
he could remember 1t ALL witnesses wife present
during part Of the conversations Carpenter said he had
Andross after his arrest he did say that An
dress had told him how he got the money. how he
got into the "scIspe;" 1t Mr.. Bowman called on
witness to make the affidavit spoken of his direct
and he objected to it. as it contained language
that he did not wish to testify to- corrections
made but not fully he wished; signed It, though
he objected to it; went to Mr.. Bowman and made him
tear up the first affidavit.
Q.-Did the sfidavit contain the facts q, you wish
ANot If 1t to go to court Of justice to which
was to testify to-
The ArroRskr GENERAL took objection to oil those
questions.
The Counr would rule out all the evidence as to the
AFFIDAVIT; they had nothing to do with it, except they
wanted peach the witness for signing an affidavit
the contents Of which he objected to.
to the Language In the affidavit aud said he signed 1t
because Mr.. Bowman persuaded him it did not bear
the construction he thought
The Court adjourned at little after O'Clock to 10
o'clock this morning
Der. 1.-THE trial of Charles II. Carpenter was CON-
tinued this being the seventh day 1t has occupied the
court.
| The JuDor said that Doctor Parsons who was ex.
amined yesterday, wished to make some explanation
that he believed at the time he signed the affidavit,
that It true; but the hurried manner in which it
read to him, and mis- hearing being bad, he
afterwards talking the matter with his wife,
discovered that II contained facts which he did
not know IL con tanned at the time he signed it, He
| here m w hen has
| 1t, which were not true
The ATTORNEY GENERAL was about to put some ques.
| tons to the Witness when counsel for the defence
The COunr said that the examination Of the witness
had concluded, and he merely applied to the court to
be allowed to make explanation with respect his
testimony, which he believed was misunderstood.
| The ArToRNEr GENERAL maintained that, inssmuch
| as he gave up the examination OF the witness
yesterday because he understood him to that he
deposed to things which untrue, and when he
now comes forward and makes explanation, which
crsditabs to himself and satisfactory to the court,
rssmin.ti"n. as he would have done yes.srdsy II the
witness had stood in the same position that he does
After discussion the point the Court admit
ted the Attorney General to proceed.
The witness then raid that besides the expression In
big ones,n there was another which he believes
untrue it was, that Carpenter had no fixed place Of
residence fRsads his sfhdsvtl Does any
hsg else In 1t that he thinks IL necessary to alter
GEoRcE A. HoLsEy deposed that he is lawyer; has
been ut the bowling saloon kept by I. + Young in
Broadway. in the water Of 1850 perhaps twenty
times ustd TO roll there went there also TO examine
pictures put up in the saloon about which Young had
law suits whic witness defended has carpenter
there perhaps half dozen times; has no distinct
collection Il seeing him there but t~ic.; those two
occasions he appeared to be In sophdentia
tion with MIR Dung; has seen Andres present one
of those occasions, but cant swear that he was
gagged in confidential conversation; at other times saw
andres and arpener in conversation other persons
would converse, In the bowling saoon has seen An
rwesr positively TO more than half doz.n times; do.
Tended six suits for Young; forecosed mortgage and
defended sut for rent thought that his chsIActer
very excellent until the time Of his arrest; he al
ways paid pretty promptly Qaughterl consider him
an upright man, though no owes small balance now
Cross erauned-was In the city all Of the year lsl5.
except few weeks in august; thinks he was not out
OF the city Ina December january has done business
for Sargent (YouEy's partnerD cav him within week
before loungs arTest; the saloon was fitted up very
elegantly and resored to by professional genile
men merchants and clerks; has never Mr. Pear
there does not recol,c that he before that
he had tsen Pearson in that saloon; knows Andros
since 1882 sued him for bapk. did not Roe
or FreLch Young aud Sargent were sued tor the lay
Ing Of the alleys aud for every artes OF furniture IN
the tsoon witness beat the plaintiff execution,
QsUgher does not recolect the name Of the that
sued them for the laying down Of the alleys the
not Trench; witness never lot any one else except
Sargent hear him when he spoke TO Young business
that is what he calls .'conndentsl communication"
ea~ MIR. Carpenter there shortly before Noung's
rest; witness rolled there Christmas. lsi5, New
Years day. 1866 when Carpenter there; does not
that Christmas; has seen little from Pennsylva
mia aboIt Car penter size, talking with fouag conf
dentially; has seen Andres aud others, apparently
str Anglers In town. speak conudentisy with the pro-
petors (loung aud SargentO those strangers did not
generally roll they appeared more To be hanging
! onin tiny appeared friends Of the propriesors.
| To tho ATTORNEY OsNEHAL The difference between
Witness conversations with Young and Carpenters
was that when Young aud Carpenter cooverssd they
seemed to be cautious that they should not be heard
by any else L. quite that he Carpenter at
ouDg ono bristmss day 49, the private conversations
he has alluded 70 before arrest: heard OF
the arrest the following day or the came day that II
took place; Andres was arrested within a fortnight AZ
ter the last Of those confidential that he
has spoken Of; wtuess has had any private
versatsn with Carpenter heard the 81 the small
man. but does not recoect u; heard the name Of
Of the others tall man but forget- t one OF them
had glow, IL might bs Of ption his cheeks
hssrd the Of Roe Little Joha mentioned in the
| saloon
! To MFR. Bs,pr when witness spoke 20 Young, Il
vas also In such way a. that they would not wish
other psrsons TO hear them.
/ WuttaN s. JoH~so~.-was captain Of 18th ward,
I New YORK mp to last August; hsd been so over tso
years; cav some copper aud tbinss some steel pstes
20 any testimony Of transactions subsequent to the
time n the alleged offence In the present indictm-nt
them from Mr. Brinkerhon the proprietor ofs "pou-
drste company In New York. witness saw one OF the
plates taken out of -
CoUHsrL roa D,rssos interrupted the answer, and
sgsin objected The specific charge against Carpenter
Ia thst he melted Andres to certain act In 1896 aud
tley objected 20 the present evidence 81 rrtsvspt and
insdmissibe. Counsel read IRON 9th Hum psrey page
| y, In support q their views
The CouRT supposed that the Attorney General would
prove that thoe plates the identical plates from
which the counterfeit bills made, and would
admit the question.
C.ussrL ton Drrrsor said that those plates might be
brought here from another STATE after the commission
OF the alleged offence and secrrted somewhere for the
purposes Of this trial
The Jrpor. Suppose q man was indicted for steal
log watch sir weeks ago and that the watch not
doovsrd till the day before his trial, do you meas TO
could not be produced In evidence against him,
though found after IN. time the indictment laid,
CousstL commended at considerable length, against
the admission OF the evidence There no proof Of
! -
GATED. or by whom they were secretsd In the place
where they were found.
! The CovRT ruled tho admission Of the evidence az
the facts must have existed before the bat
evidence may be found after
! WfrNrss- Ssw ~ those plates discovered in
yard between Avenue aud the of 18th street;
II in lead OF contents that had been removed from
PRIV, the Attorney General ordered the contents OF
the pivy to be taken out aud witness gave directions
TO have done; there five pstesthree large ones
and two small
q tan you tell what was On any Of those plates,
| obiected