The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1849-04-23


carry my well founded pride to the extent of puerty
tell you that with Austria would be very
rious matter know the resources Of that country.
nave studied the subject carefully, and affirm to you
that her forces great. Do you know what the
with Austria required in 1900! Two marvellous battles
-Marengo and Hohenlinden. (Agitation) Yes two
Of the most magnificent events Of our history. And,
bear in mind that then We had Austria alone before
STA neutral; Russia had not soldier out
But at present Il tooud be merely tcith .4ustria
t. with the ''hoie continent [Morememl at mo
menf Uhen coalition most spoken ", the union
Of .dnsf1a and Russia doubtful; whereas at pre-
sent the alliance IS certain Russia has declared that
81 any power an Italy II as therefore, NTH the whoie
continent that you Woud hare to contend. But
tainly admire as much as any man, the great sent-
ment OF national enthusiasm which urges people to-
wards independence and liberty but permit me to say
that you have just had example given you of what
this sympathy Of the populations may become in the
presence Of an organized force If any nation ought to
feel lively sympathy for Italy beyond any doubt it
was the Hungarians. 1t loudly affirmed that they
would abandon the Austrian army--that they would
fight against the Itaans-and vet YOU have seen
that they fought with the greatest determination ag
tationl Yes you will have the sympathies of the po-
pulatons with you If you are in the right you will be
strong when you respect what ought always to be
pected before the sword is the right Of
nations [hear, hearl But do net deceive yourselves
he populations of which you speak because the mass
ofpopulations terrified at the agtatons which they
Left cheers on the Right At present You would
have with you only some agitatng and powcrlcss mino
rites. You Will not have side the opinion of
the populations hear, hcarl If you wise, you will
commence by firmly mprcssing your minds
that truth. At present if you declare war; you will at
once have England against YOU defy any political
to deny that assertion. You must therefore pre-
pare for contest with the whole continent without
being able to reckon the neutrality of England
Our interest in Italy is solely of influence and
ask is such motive n sufficient to engage in
with the continent Europe interruption on the
Left! That is the whole question you may rake up
the past exhume documents torture texts-you can
not change the question. Butare we to remain passive
hic nttIn. Nan tnI notn .f,,l,
the interests of Italy, but only by of negota-
ton [murmurs on the Left! You do not approve of
that course yet, still it has been your since Feb
ruary "a shall prove 1t that too, pursued by
General Cavaignac with great prudence and good
teen months ago this very question was brought be-
fore the old Chamber of Deputies, what the Ian
guage of us, the opposition AT that moment, the
former government, by error which deplore, and
which will not further advert to- since that govern
ment has fallen, had broken all it's alliances by the
Spanish marriages. Then Italy seemed to think OF
striking for liberty Well, what was our language?
We said Italy Is composed in great part, Of indepen
dent States II the spirit of liberty Manifests itself
there, let them make the cause common one ; and
France will say that the liberty which shall arise out of
the range of the treaties of 1915 shall be
attackable; but to the portions of Italy comprised
in the treaties, France do nothing for the treaties
exist" When employed this language, was strong
ly opposed, and cutlery raised that such policy
that of the treaties Of 1915. smiled and left
time to demonstrate the truth of the policy which
so sharply attacked but must acknowledge that
did not expect to promptly realised
(movemenD In the plase of that policy placed NJ
A
terrupton) yes, but my mind quickly set at rest
Qaughter). was afraid you about to throw your
legions into Italy but you reflected on the matter and
you did nothing Qaughter). That manifesto had two
bases-ths people, and peace We also fully recognise
these words. But do you think that there any dig
nifty in saying then DONE that the treaties of
1885, ifthey existed in fact, did not exist in right
Was it dignied to pronounce such dangerous words
Are you aware what those treaties are There is in
the lines of territorial demarcatons which they csab
lish, a generous sentiment Alexander desired them
to be sort Of Of the right OF nations Qoud
interruption).
VOICE ON THE LErr-You are putting forth an apo
logy for the treaties Of 1915.
NJ THERs-l am told that am defending the treaties
of1S15. Let remind you of certain words used by
under the monarchy. In the sitting of February /,
1S4S, said: We must observe the treaties of 1875
until such day shall be proclaimed because
other rule be found for relations with foreign
countries. Until then, we must observe them and de-
test them (Movement) Yes, we must protect the
that which you must have intended to declare in your
manifesto otherwise you prepared to tear the
treaties to pieces But the manifesto speaks only of the
independent States Of Italy therefore neither Lombar
dy nor Vencta is meant. (Movement) Such is the
declaration of the manesto and your acts have been
in accordance with that declaration Last of
the greatest of regret which was expressed was
that since 1916 France had not made effort to or
ganize powerful army. After February, in consider
ing the position of the country, said to myself
doubtedly army will now be organized. But saw
three months pass without any step being taken,
and / spoke to feveral generals the subject I'M
plored them to bring the matter before the Assembly
i spoke to them in preference because military
pardoned for having served under another
interruption
NJ CHARRAs-It has been done What you speak Of
was before General Cavaignac's time.
NJ. THrERs-Nothing was done. NJ Charras no doubt
magines that aude to what has since been effected
but | am speaking of the first three months At later
period General de Lamorciere and General Cavaignac
did all that the finances permitted them to do; but
facts could not be gansayed In May the army was
composed of $4,000 men, in June, Al ,0OO in July,
1853 900; in August 49S 600; in September, 100000
take into account, also, the army of the Alps
M. GARNER PAGEs-The truth ought not to be so
misrpprepcntcd
NJ THIrRs-I quote fgures-ofiicial returns they
cannot be contested and from them it evident that
il only in June that any attention paid to the
organization of the army. NJ Lcdru Rollin has spoken
Of the army of the Alps and their desire to ether Italy
All that may be very true but what the number Of
that army in May? Not more than 0000 men; that is
to say that from % 900 to 600 could be put in
movement for active service But is II possible hat you
could have had any idea Of entering Italy with such
force! Impossible you could never have dreamed OF
risking the dcstines Of France in such a Manner
[Agitation Thus you yourselves acted altogether on
peace policy you acted your successors did and
yet you now condemn their conduct. But you, your
selves what did you do besides! Why when you
had an occasion presented to you, when Lom-
hardy close to her acknowledgements, when Aus
tria worsted and enfeebed, you did not seem
ears; you remained inactive when the chance was Offer
ed you-when fortune favored you more than you de-
taking place the date Of your oath Of May That
date is fatal to you You then, say, did nothing
Why Were you waiting for all Italy to rise; were
you rather unwilling to go and serve king In his dis
plomacy, by entering Piedmont Hear, hearl am
well aware that in Lombardy there were senseess men
who refused your corporations but you weak
rccoil before energetic intervention Hear
hear]! What your policy had pro'l utd protection
to Italy; you followed that policy and when the oppor
tunity Of acting arrived you drew back Hear hear
htarl And here | must declare that whatever you
may have intended or wished, there no doubt what
ever that General Cavagnac was sincerely DESTROYS o.
peace; and glad to pay him this public homage for
his conduct He certainly acted as the most faithful
Interpreter Of me wishes Of tho Assembly and YET
when during the time Of his being in power an inter
venton was demanded, he replied by mediation
ou therefore evidently desired peace for no person
was for moment dupe Of the word Edta fa'a dd Sc
Facts have proved that what impossible was hoped
for General Cayaignac, | repeat, made formal de-
mand for intervention and yet no Intervention TOOK
place I spoke just Of 5030OO men; but are you
aware that with that amount could have but two
armies of 10000 each at the Alps and ON the Rhine
General Cavaignac found 0000 men necessary t. ne
had enough to negotiate but not enough TO
fight But the Assembly did not engage in war, and
honor it for that conduct When Austria was weaken
, d. and the emperor In fight an attempt might have
been made and perhaps 1t would have succeeded at
first: but no attempt made, and rejoice at It,
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