New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1848-09-30
Episcopal Diocesan Animal Convention at
81. J ohn's Chapel.


THIRD DAY-Morning Session. The Con
renton me, this morning at o'clock. The usual
Morning Service Of the Church performed by the
four officiating Clergy Rev DR. MILLEDoLER OF sara
,oss Springs; Rev A. b. BEACH, Butternuts, Otsego
Co; Rev DR.. McyIcEAR Columbia College, and Rev
WA Curtis Of South Oyster Bay The service Of the
morning unusually long the day being the feast
Of st. Michael and All Angels"
The galleries Of the Chapel both last night and this
morning were nearly filed by spectators, while the
body of the Church is fully occupied by the various lay
and clerical Delegates.
The minutes Of the last days session having been
read and approved, the ceremony was gone through
with of receiving the credentials OF Lay members not
present present yesterday and calling the roll for GER
tain Clergy who also have not before appeared.
The debate of last evening renewed not only
with undated energy, but even in fuller force Below
is given sketch Of the main points of the argument
full it would occupy far more space than we can
afford.
Two or three Reports OF Committees were presented
and read and the House proceeded to the regular bu
sness before it-i action the original resolution
of DR.. vISToN, and the amendments and redmend
ments thereto the particular question up being on
striking out and inserting.
Hon LUTHER BRApIsH said the question before the
Convention seemed 10 him All exceedingly plain and
simple one. He reviewed the original resolution and
the various amendments one Dy Oue-dlu tuovsut tnt
proper action would be fret upon the amendment Il
the amendment, (the one offered by Rev Mr. Pardee
Mr. Bradsh proceeded 10 examine In detail the rules
Of order and insisted upon such action as ne recon
mended
Frederick J. BETS, Esq (of Nesburgh) replied
taking rather opposite ground when Rev DR.. VINro.
rose 10 speak to the substitute proposed He said be
wished simply 10 put the Committee right He asserted
earnestly that was far from the intention Of that Com
nttee 10 have all gsbed the statement Of the action
Of the Fathers of the Church, ss had been urged BY
some.
DR.. AUGUSTINE SMITH tried four times 20 get the
foor. and a, last succeeded lie thought the Commit
tee aforesaid had made out no case in which would
be justified Ia taking this farther legislative action DR.
> proceeded 10 demonstrate at length and depressed
occasionally H. considered the question to be- BY
what means are 10 secure the greatest number OF
nsmbersy We cannot do il by force, he thought
lie did not believe any had, would, force them
selves into the Convention. For himself he could
speak readily and plainly. that his appointment TO the
place he filled was unsolicited unsoughi for and at hrsi
respectfully declined, until urged to accept sc
Rev. Mr. SOUTHLAND (of Calvary Church, followed in
approaching the consideration Of this subject he said he
felt unusual reluctance chiefly because Of the moment
and importance Of this question before the Convention
He believed the important question that had ever
come before the Convention within the sphere Of his
recollection and affecting deeply the spiritual netare
Of the Church
He rejolced in the substitute of Rev Mr. Pardee Sub
ui,ted last evenng)-and ne cnceriuAy hcquesced IN
IL because II embodies something which had not come
within the zach of the proposition Of his Reverend
brother OF Emanuel Church, Brooklyn, Or. Ninton)
He expressed his conviction clear and undoubed that
We can have no scrpural right 10 shut out from our
deliberations and vote In our proceedings, any man
who had received the ordinances OF the Church Hence
be deprecated In strong and earnest language the
position for the admission of candidates for holy
orders He considered them particularly and especial
~ qualified for participation in the Deliberations oil the
Convention.
II. 81.
uon-the qualifications Of Lay members-whieh he
considered far more important and the main question
that had come before the Convention.
He WAS in favor of admitting every layman only who
shall have received the Holy Communion. lie consid
cred this spiritual bodywe cannot escape from the
conclusion IL is the representative oi the kingdom OF
the Lord 1t lie His Council and His work In every
sense then he considered II spiritual and not secu
lar body.
Rev Dr. HENRY took opposite ground TO the last
speaker. In his view this was question of exped
ency He thought the main point was. whether com
municsnt 10 a better man than any other or not -
daughter and sensstion)
Judge BErTs thought the question was one not to be
decided otherwise than by calm and cool action He
vent on in a few observations upon the admission
Lay Delegates and discussed the proposed limitation OF
their number. Tie hoped We should hear more about
the oppression Of the Laity He should vote with the
majority, whichever way they might 20. and II they
chose TO restrict the number OF the Clergy as Delegates
he would not oppose them.
lie proceeded to expstsie at length. He thought 4
the obect and intention of the original founders OF this
body, TO admit Lsymen as Delegate rthom requirn.
any OF these qualifications now proposed.
He held 10 be doctrine that not Baptism
necessary Qualification for ayman of the Church
and thought ought not 10 incorporate into the con
stitu,on OF this body any such thing now propose,
but ought to leave II TO the good sense OF the com
munty to determine upon the essentials
The debate was farther sustained by HIRAM hErch
uN. Esq Mr.. h. LAWRENCE, Rev. DR.. TYING, Hon W.
JAY OF Bedford, Rev DR.. ViSroN Rev. Or TAYLo
aud Rev. Mr. HAaILroN-Iof all whose remarks pr
and con have very full notes, but the pressure
other upon columns precudes any farther
extended report
The original resolution. however reported by III
Committee Of which Rev. DR. VINroN is the Chairman
finally came up for action under loud cries of Que:
ton question" The resolution reads thus, adopted
the fret action having been division OF the resou
non. The Rallies embrace the portions adopted
kssss,sS. TAaf fks Csssfifnfisnbe aEeassd flHa.
as s,aA - Ces,~nsas ani strike the woris "oruo
snd insert he words, and noi more than three
The vote on this follows showing two. third
vote Of the Clergy
yoiC. For. dsGHa
CLERICAL ---...------..------.I 80
Lsymen zone divided ........56 .... IS