New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1848-08-15

Wnefpvfr mlGct ftNt urfh Ai'
,Lirb occurred during the year immediatey saose-
ar, 10 the Act Of Emancipation no one coaa say
-, ,hst Act hsG not conferred upon the Roman Osin"
lies great and important privileges; .,.h n.
There was another subject IN reference 20 Nuon ~
s 10, a-ree with the conclusion arrived Al ~ inc
- .c,,isnan-he alluded % tire subject OF utnes
- L. .islion upon which he briefly res e"ed WIN
,erv 10 show that With one eNcepuon 'H't seOs "a,
longer involved grievance % the irsn PcoP's .
exception the payment OF "hS' 'nslneo =.
~, however was yJnt 70 which ne wouu pr
ssniv refer He then vndicaied the reform Ae1
IN ireland psssei In lc5A wnich con ''.u - ~,
PEOPLE q Ireland much power "hcn .. orc -!
3is not possess Il might not be as complete uess
-, "a rrirht have been enacted. but scafcey ue
served the Judgment which the Hon Gentlemen s'ein,u
disposed 20 pass upon II and as 70 petIy Jnres' 20
which the Hon gentleman also alluded, tnc saiu' ~
,-.v~;ies m Ireland a in Enghnd II not he could
ss no reason why the law IN gard 70 tncn IN eolN
countries should not be assimiated A % lne ~.
chise a bin had been prepared on thrt suoleoL of
Lord Resborough IN the Autumn OF l-to ana WIZ
Wa ready % have been presented 10 Parliament cay
IN f-f7 Il might be- asked why g bad not nth 80 pr
sened To this be would reply ~ ~ had done otivis'
thar the rrest calamity which then tell upon irei'N.
made i 50 nperaivey Necessary Tor the So'ctuni.I'
>, sff,rd p, - mitigation thar Il bad not Time q enet
,n,o the dis ssou Of questions affecting tnr iernise
ON this subject b.l bad BEEN introduced THIS SEE
sion founded the principle OK me oAi prepeIeH ~
Lord Besboroush That bill hsd been postponed luf
fb present 10 Be- rririroiuccd next session From "
po.tponemeut no prsctcsl evil would follow a. u Na
improbable THAI IN the mean time. genera c'0an
would take place But the rctnrdaAon OF tnA sn "'"V
eh measures did not prevent the pregress oi tue Pc"
no N th,v themselves were msnaly bent upon tner
,,rnrovrnent Witncss what me scotch haa o.nr IN
dis respect when they had only 3eo electors NnNe'
therefore the people of Ireland had some reason 20
COMPLAIN De- denied that grievances OF that nature nad
ANYTHING to do with the absence Of improvement on me
mai of that people Nor could be agree wtn me non
Gentleman In the conclusions Ia wacn re nad COME As
recorded the relations between landlord and tenant
The Government had introduced measure with we"
10 place these relations on sound and Just pass
That bill went in his opinion AZ lar as ueN Vouiu -
i'm that direction But Il did not sppesr 10 MN tna'
there would be time TO consider that subject iItnei
this session II any useful alterations could DE- suggest
"a i'm that measure during the recess the HoNefnnen'
would readily accept them s sole WISH 3'ins :, 49,
n as sat s.sciory conclusion a. possln' On VIZ -
ect taking not 10 violate the great Pim0'Fe'N ~
the shts Of property. -.
, But after all what Government looked 10 was oe.
tor mutual understanding between landlord ana tenant
Voluntary agreements entered into between tneh anu
-,-sriv carried out would be better means OF i'm.
rrovnr the land in Ireland than any measure would al
lord which Government might suggest or Parliament
asont As 10 the PoorLaw tor Ireland he thought tns
no reprosch Justly attached 10 the Government or the
Uouss for the DELAY which might have taken place ON
the part of the former m Introducing or on thst Oh w
latter in enacting IT, tie believed that the OH "ouiu
during the present year point ou' ~ lss ~ :, H.
what notifications might be useluiy effected IN IT, ne
AGREED i'm the MAN. " III what had fallen iron thc hoh
gentleman in regard 10 the advantage OF smn farms
But he only thought them desirable when the peope
rould bring small capitals aud constant labor 10 pear
/ upon them To establish such system IN ireland
with any probability Of success would require great
change to DE wrought IN the state OF IRISH soccy
change which could not BE- effected by iaw. Inc In
rnn bered Estates bill which bad received the sanction
of the House would Ia the end lead TO considersoie
DIVISION of the land IN Ireland Il might not have any
great immediate effect but such would ne believed DC
| It's ultimate effect
| The Hon gentleman had also blamed the Govern
ment tor its omission to introduce any effective mes
sures with reference 10 the eviced tenants IN ifeshd
lie regarded the driving out OF small cotefs ana ,ne
families, by summary processes, nom tneir noiuinss
sometimes in the dead OF Winter and when they mad no
means of shetcring themselves from the inciemeney
OF the weather or % ayerung Starvation sthoush 'he
| landlord might not in doing transcend the stnct
letter of the law A. cruel practice as u render II
incumbent on the law 20 deal with H. bill had been
accordingly Introduced 10 meet the case The HoVein'
ment therefore. did not merit the censafe "hch inc
honorable gentleman had passed upon !. N reference
! % this subject
The noble lord then proceeded to consider the re-
NEEDLES which the Hon. gentleman proposed Tor the
evils OF Ireland In the first place the Hon gentleman
thought IL necessary that additional members should be
given % Ireland lie did not deny that the time might
! come when il would be advisable that additional mem
hers should be allowed 70 lrelend IN tne place Oh inc
members OF some of those b0roughs which tne House
might think il Ight to dsrenchse. But this was not
exactly the time Tor the consideration OF such SUBJECT
The Hon gentleman in the place thought that a
proper measure OF rt-l~la hllon "
Ireland lie had already stated that such bill had.
this session been Introduced. Il wa postponed but
he could assure the Hon. gentleman mat wouid Dc
proceeded witt next session with loss Of time
| The Hon gentleman, in the next place, wished Tor
additional measures In regard 10 corporations. was
his own opinion that municipal institutions were oil
great benefit 10 the people OF this country and that II
would produce lust snd well founded discomfort IN the
minds Of the people of Ireland they were 20 reidse TO
them what they admitted to be ~ advantage 70 the peo-
pie OF England and scotsnd. lie had, therefore, no
objection generally speaking to the extension OF the
franchise in the Irish corporations M the same manner
il had been extended in England. The Hon gentleman
a. % asked for reform in the Grond jury system Jhat
subject had also occupied the attention OF Lord Besoo
rough and Lord Clarendon but such had been the bu-
sness OF the House during the present session that the
Government mad not found Il possible 10 Introduce
measure in reference 10 Grand Juries with any chance
of having il carried IN regard TO the Hon. gentleman
suggestions with regard waste lands and railways
the noble lord then briefly stated what had been done
| in connection with both these subjects.
As 10 railways the thought that IL would not be adj
/ ,-able 10 introduce s1y measure, advancing m0nsy
for their cons, action unl the ENchequer was IN A
| more hourishing condition than at present Measures
for ireland di,lded themselves INTO three classes
| s0cql political, and religious. With regard 10 the
| social class the tiOveTnment had introduced poor
law by which thousands had been saved. II had also
.foduced a bin for the sale OF encountered estates
which although il might not be OF immediate effect,
would ultimately lead 20 seat social changes In Ireland
With respect 10 political measures, the Government had
introduced one the nchse which seemed 10 have
received the general of the IRISH members The
religious and ecclesiastical position OF ireland sub
cct in reference which he himself hrd taken promi-
| nent part The established church of ireland a
church 70 which only minority OF the people be
longed although IL enjoyed all the revenues which
| were recognized acknowledged and guaranteed by the
| State Nobody could deny that that a state of
things which far from satisfactory. Nobody could
deny that the appropriation Of the whole OF the
euues which the state recognized and allowed the
! revenues of the Established Church in ireland to the
Church Of a small portion OF the people in itself
| An anomaly and a grievance. But il was a grievance,
in the way Of remedy 10 which there almost Ia
superable difficulties. lie had at time proposed
that portion Of the soi the Established Church
should be devoted the education OF the people Of all
classes
| That proposal II adopted At that time would have
given great satisfaction. But when Il refused and
refused than once, the position OF the question
became entirely altered. Those who favored the Church
feared lest the appropriation, proposed of portion
of its revenues would Iced 10 its being despoed OF
them all while those who 20 Establish
| ed Church, under any circumstances declared that
they would be satisfied with nothing less than the de
struct0n VI the establishment The question had thus
been rendered more difficult than ever. file thought
that In a county which recognized the principle VI
church establishment the Protestans in ireland should
not b. deprived Of an Established Church To such
church they had fair claim and considering theii
numbers and the extent % which the Church property
had been diminished In Ireland he did think that 1
could be said that that property greatly in