The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1848-05-16

MT. HHfrr. Of South Caroc VINO topoSto0 tho oAll
under consideration, from the Committee Of yorsisu
Affairs said The gentleman from New Hampshiys TO-
tally misapprehends this case, nom begin ming to end
There nothing in IL to justify the remarks which the
gentleman made. Great Britain, by the treaty Of
Client agreed 10 pay for the slaves Of our citizens
taken away at the conclusion of the by her
sells the American coast. There some doubt rs
the terms of the treaty The subject referred
10 the Emperor Alexander of Russia and he decided
that Great Britain should pay Great Britain agreed
10 a commission which sat, and a list was made out
Afterwards by another convention, she agreed TO pay
TO take II, and satisfy the claimants According to
the treaty of Client our government assumed pay
ment, but Great Britain herself did and in 1926 we
received the money to pay the claimants.
Mr.. TucK-l would ask whether the round sum is
not according to the list for runaway slaves,
dited and allowed,
Mr. RHErr-If it So il would not alter the case
The names put down, was affair between Great
Britain and the claimants; but in consequence Of a
round sum being paid to the discharge
OF the claims was transferred TO it. After paid all
claimants who came forward two thousand dollars
lett behind and no application has been made for
save for this claim
MIR. TucK-DSes not this two thousand dollars
stand 70 the credit of certain individuals
Mr. RHETT-No
Mr.. TucK-You are certainly mistaken.
MT RHErr-l am not. The two thousand dollars
was simply surplus remaining after the claimants
who came forward were satisfied The money does not
belong to the genteman's constituents If it belongs
toany body, it belongs to Great Britain.
Mr. DUNN asked question. to which
MIR. RHrrr replied: understand that this is a
plus and above all sums to satisfy claimants He
read the articles of the convention. by which S1249O
appropriated by Great Britain, for claimed
and claimable by United States citizens The whole
amount of the matter is this We have, out of what
we have received two thousand dollars remaining to
satisfy the demands Of shareholders. 1t would not
take money out Of the Golfers Of our govern
ment; the money comes from Great Britain
perty taken away. The gentleman from New
Hampshire tells us that the discussion of the
slavery question will do no harm. Everybody
knows that the Southern have not gotten up the
debates, to their own injury. | tell the gentleman
THAT he and his compeer persevere in their course
their crusade Of fanatcsm history may write that they
of the North have rent the Union in twain
pENiAL-REruTATroN OF MR.. TUcK's ASSERTION.
Mr.. BURT, of South Carolina desire to settle with
the gentleman from New Hampshire the issue the
decision of the Supreme Court of the United States
The gentleman in his place. said, understood him,
that the Supreme Court has decided that slaves
not property under the and he read what
he said was the language Of the think that
the statement OF the gentleman. said that desired
TO put him on his guard ! would be glad to ask
the gentleman whether he has read the decision Of the
Supreme Court to which he has referred and from
which he presumed read a extract to the commit
Tee! Has the gentleman read the whole of it.
MIR. Tuck read from book the opinion of Justice
Mclean that " the constitution of the United States
acts on slaves al persons. and not s property
MIR. BuRr-The gentleman says that that IL the lam
guage OF the supreme Court of the United States |
mold in my hand that decision. | am yet almost in
chned TO doubt whether the gentleman read the
decision which he quotes to the committee Justice
Mclean did not deliver the Judgment in question
The gentleman j. mistaken.
MIR. TUcE replied that he had read the decision
MIR Buar SAID that he had asked question of fact
and put the gentleman on hi guard. aud begged hul
not to instead HE then read the history of The en- 30
that of Groves Slaughter, which was commenced
IN Louisiana IN 1855. Slaves had been purchased and
u note given for the money. Justice Thompson de-
hvered the Judgment OF The court. that 1.-THE
ton was placed entirely QYn the constitution Of the
State OF mississippi Jusdcc McLane said that this
involved an important point and ne extended u few
words to the branch Of the question Quot Included IN
the case) as quoted by Mr. Tuck. Nc Now III this
case, MIR Burt remarked the committee viii see that
lueu WA hat mb in III
Judgment delivered by Justice Thompson and that
was whether note subject of dispute. was.void
der the constitution of Mississippi which interdictcd
.he Importation OF slaves a. ndisc. or whether
that clause of the constitution had been carried int
enect oy the legislature Of Mississippi dislike the
attempt 10 misiead the Joudgment OF the House and
the country. ray 90 the gentleman from New Hamp-
shire, and challenge any man who fraternses with
him, to produce single decision of the Supreme
Court which holds that slaves not property and
that they are not recognized property. challenge
production of the case. | had no idea that this
question would come up. However. | prepared to
show decisions Of Massachusetts, New ork, Pennsy-
vania and Ohio up to recent period in history
which place the rights Of Southern citizen ground
as distinct, solid and immovcabe as !, as a Southern
man would assert for them say. that until the cry
was raised ut the North-which did not characterize
as fanaticsm nor will characterize it-but until
the hypocritca cry was raised, would have trusted
to the Courts of much the Courts
Of South Carolina | want nothing better than the
decisions Of Chief Justice Parker, of Massachusetts,
MI CHAPMAN, OF Maryland regretted that the ques-
ton OF slavery was debated wheneve there the
only right before the country and the world but be-
fore Heaven. This Senate has nothing to do with
slavery. 1t is State institution. The States where
exists have sole power over it, but these questions
and considerations all foreign to the bill under
consideration. If gentlemen were influenced by feel
ings of patriotism they ought to be- this question
would not always be lugged into debate. He had sat
and listened with utter amazement. and had been
struck with horror the remarks of those who profess
to be opposed to the institution of slavery In Mary
land people will manage their property in their
way and will ask to be let alone 1t rather too
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missed slaves property They had done repeatedly
He then stated the question before the committee and
argued in support Of the claim.
Mr.. SAWYER. of Ohio--Why has not the money been
this
Mr. CHArMAS-I thank the gentleman for asking me
the question. The Secretary has no right to pay ex-
cept by act of Congress There is sufficient evil
dence to show that the slaves carried Off
JUDGE MiLEAN's PRo-sLAvERY COURSE IN CONGRESS
Mr.. VENABLE, Of North Caroina-As the opinion of
Judge Mclean has been quoted by the gentlema from
New Hampshire. (Mr. Tuck) will state that in lsl5
when he in Congress he voted to levy direct tax
negroes. property In case the tax was not paid
then the negro could be levied by United States
Marshal and sold to satisfy the demand And yet the
gentleman got up here and quoted Judge Mclean. to
show that negroes are not property We have taxed
negroes always
coNsrITUTIoSaL VIEW
Mr.. WOODWARD, of South Carolina remarked that
there is fallacious idea that there is natural prac-
tcablity between persons and property, and meta
physical position to whether slaves both persons
and property At the formation of the constitution
slaves were property matter of fact lawful or I'M
lawful, moral or immoral which man in the conven-
ton denied 1t Is matter of natural history that a
slave is person, and he presumed that there was
man in the convention so stupid to deny either
proposition that slave property and that slave is
a person. IL was naked matter Of fact. There
a compromise to this extent that slaves should be
considered property for the purpose direct taxa
ton and to the same extent persons for the purpose
of fixing the representation in Congress
MIR. ATKINSON, Of Virginia would not stand up to
discuss with fanatics. whose minds could be nfu-
He.thcn he me- its of he and
gave notice of his intention to move ndment
Mr. CoLLAMER, Of Vermont. stated the reasons
which would influence him in voting against the bill
entirely independent of the consequences He thought
that there not enough in the report say that
the claim was good, and not enough to say it bad
1t ought to be re-examined
Mr.. GisDfNGs-HIs v1Ews-AMPHfBIoCs ANNALS
CHARGE REFUTED. ETc.
Mr. GiDDfNGs, OF Ohio more at home the aboli-
ton and freedom question than any gentleman in the
House, obtained the floor. He warmed up as he pro-
dressed in his remarks and said earnestly that he