The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1848-07-23

MIR BArLv sndsavored 70 obtain the ear Of the
Speaker.
\ here wss much confusion prevalent. Perhaps this
vas the first tine that bill containing appropriations
for the psy of the members the mise and for the
civil and diplomatic expenses Of the government was
MIR f,oKLrN said that his object In making the mo-
tion as accomplished and that he withdrew IT,
Mr. toBB, Of Georgia. move to reconsider the vote
by which the bill rejected, in order that the bill
may b. reoommtted to the Comm ittee of Ways and
Means to be put In shape which will be satisfactory
to the use II seems that gentlemen not wiiling
to rass the bill, after putting IL in share to ease
themselves. wish the committee to strike out the
nah river, n'ernai improv em- mt item etc move
the previous question my motion to reconsider
NJ PETIT move 10 lay the motion to reco nslder
Mr. Roor-I ask for the yeas and nays [They were
order.dl
The House will come TO order. KNOCK, knock
Mr.. MckAY-Mr Speaker -
The SPEAKER (knocking)-The House will come to
order and gentlemen will take their seats.
Mr.. McKAY-Nr Speaker
The SrrAKxn-Thc melton is not debsteable.
MIR BoYD-The motion to reconsider has been with
drawn by the gentleman from Georgia
Mr. PETTir-I moved 10 lay that motion on the table
Mr.. VINroN-sir Speaker
Mr.. McKAv-Am not in order, the gentleman from
Georgia having Withdrawn his motion!
The srrAKER-The previous question was moved be-
fore the gentleman withdrew his motion. motion
was made to lay the motion on the table and the yeas
and nays ordered
House ref sed to lay the table the motion
slider the vote by which the appropriation bill
ected If this had rrevailedit would have buried the
The question REQUIRED the motion to recon-
slider the vote by which the bill rejected when
Mr. VIrTor-ls the question open to debate at this
The SrEAKER.-Itis
WHY THE DILL RYJsoTED
MIR. NINToN-l beg Leave to say that tho bill on
which have voted with the exception of few items,
making appropriations for the District Of Columbia.
distractions in thes Savannah riverwith the excep-
ton II these items think that all the provisions
bis bill are those recommended by the Executive to
Mr.. FIcKLIs-l suggest that there is an additional
APP ropristion for the city Of Washington
Mr.. VINToN-I mentioned the District of Columbia,
IN which included the city do not know why this
vote has been given especially by those the other
side The dem ocratic) M
Mr. GENrRr-Les my motives be misapprehe nded
wsh to say, voted against the bill because, when
saw the friends of the administration unwilling to have
tho apprs priatioDs which the bill makes carry on
the government. out Of poIiteness thought that it
was not our duty to force il upon them Tia. hay
Mr. CoBH-Will tho gentleman from Ohio permit me
to say to the gentleman from Tennessee, that under
stand the majority of this House be whg. and on
that SIDE is the responsibility voted against the bill
because bile have placed in il by
the &c ntleman and his friends ~
MIR. vIrToS-l believed have the floor. With the
exception Of the items have enumerated, believe
that all the items were recommended by the Execu-
tive as necessary to carry the government If there
be no ohectiona items, and the gentlemen the
democratic side feel justified in voting against the bill
on constitutional grounds the only inference is that
the does not want the money and that the
government has means enough without the bill Ii they
refuse to vote for appropriations by the
President do not see why the wings should not vote
%ilarly II the bin Is rejected on the ground that
makes appropriation for the Savannah river which
involves constitutional question, say that the re.
corded votes this side of the House and the other
show that large numoer have constitutional
scrupes; and this will not account Tor it, IA voice
from the democratic side:s We will take care of our
own course about thatr] The gentleman from Cieor
for tha
poee OF enabling the Committee of Ways and
Means to get rid Of that item Thecommttee put into
tie bill this appropriation; and since that time has
beenlhe subj. ct Of more than of the House
and It was affirmed by the action of the House. II
out the ITEM one member of the committee shall
not be dposed to strike 1t out regret that the item
Of the gentleman from Kentucky, for the
Of the Ohio and Mississippi rivers was not nut in /
Mr. McCLrLLAND-The gentleman speaks OF the
item for the Savannah river having been voted on
several times, and Of having been agreed to by the
House. In Committee of the Whole on the State of
the Union when the question taken, did not many
o. inc Wigs vote against It, and in the House record
Mr.. vIsIoS-l don't recoect; don't know
Mr. McClELLANp-Can you account for it?
y Mr. VINroN-lt may be that what the gentleman
says is correct or incorrect 81
9 MIR. CcCLELLAND-I know it is correct, and can
state names. II
MIR. VINroN-The record of the House shows what
the House did, when called solemnly to vote I
BY the to strike ont ts is ~ hin
(tbe appropriation for the Savannah rver) as one
OF the committee, under the circumstance of the
case shsh notfee myself authorized to do it..
VOICE FROM THE SIDE.
Mr. McKAY-The gentleman from Ohio has stated
the Of The OF Gesp TO
port all bills which are necessary for the support the
government The object Of the bill under 'consdera-
ton makes appropriation for the civil list. including
not only the Executive bpt other branches of the
vernmeDt; bill which not only makes appropriation
selves This bill is only pay the Executive but
to pay the salaries Of Judges marshas attor
%
fro Ohio rises in his place. and, with great gravity
Gays that if perfectly satisfied that the Exc
cutive has unexpended balances Of appropriations,
content that this bill shall be lost' As the organ
Of the wbg majority Of the House, the gentleman
makes this announcement Did he not make state.
ment a few days ago. as reason for remaining in
session until late hour, that the were
exhausted and he tells you that If we believe
the Pre-, dent has money sucient we are content that
the bill shall be lost" The Whigs in the majority
What We are willing to do is known to the aid mem
bers. appeal to the distinguished gentleman himself
he has been here twenty years have been in service
seytnteen) whether in his long period as a represent.
alive in single instance in diplomatic bill he re-
members that ndment, like that for the Sayan-
nah liver has ever been put into such bill Can he
chow precedent to justify IT, It has been placed
the civil and diplomatic bill the navy bill the Indian
bill, the pension bill. the fertilization BILL and the
West Point Academy bill You have ha rbor i'm prove.
nent bill and If 1t be the purpose Of the majority to
make appropriations at this session for internal i'm.
prov.mens let them make It In that BILL The appro.
pration for the Savannah river is wholly out of
place. 1t involves great constitutional Question:
and you gravely call on us to give our votes
en- what we consid'r unconstitutional cues.
ton that the bill may be lost w. say to you
Reconsider the vote on the passage Of the bill;
r.commit IL to the Committee of Ways and Means; let
the report for Themselves II be done in twenty
minutes leaving out the single item for the
river Only by your power, Mr. Speaker has this item
been retained in the bill. (The one poVer) Yes
the one ma power. 90
he SpEAKrR-The vote cast In accordapce with
the rule Of the House It was not an extraordinary
inter position Of power. IL
MI. Mckay repeated that he desired this bill to be
recommitted for the purpose stated.
IMPORTANT REvELATIoNs
Mr.. HuDsoN-The gentleman the other side MIR
Mckay has told US this that the whole proceed ng
was very extraordinary In its character and asks the
Chairman Of the Committee Of Ways and Means MIR
ViDton) to point out a precedent. l have not been
here as long as the gentleman has and therefore nv
experience will not correspond with his 1t s very ex-
trsoI diBory that have but nominal majority when
the minority are the particular friends of the admins
tstion have never before a minority throw