New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1848-09-29
Episcopal Dioce-an Annual Convention ut
~. John,s Chapel.

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The debate which occupied the whole Of thi. time wal
quite breezy 10 psrts and important and inter
! estng. sketch u u IS given below.
DR.. WEAvEK. of West Troy, offered resolution ths
200 copies Of the Journal OF the Convention be printed
uHdertn direction Of the Secretsry.. Adopted
The subject before the Conveaaon ,sDecel order
being the resolution reported by Rev Dr. vaton e, the
morning session, relative the Aalissios q aoa-eoz
sssqieaAts Dsiesae.-tae Convention proceeded e
it, consideration Rev. DR.. TAYLoR of Grace Church
moved al amendment which occs.ioned tee nost *
citing points Of the debate Ben. JULIAN C. VIZ
PLASoK participated and replied to By Dr. Taylor
when division Of the question was moved, Bat lost
slght oL
motion 10 sfrt Out the resolution Of D. VNroN and
insert In lieu thereof tie amendment proposed b pr
TAYLOR. then Up, aud ended by being laid over
al morning, siter TIE following debate, amid much
noise ana d!sseutlon.
Rev Dr. vrHros sid ne would withdraw the pree5is
OF his Resolution beusI Of the Co.AnliEee leaving
the naked Resolution ~ be acted upon 10 ihst kesO-
luton, said he, amendment Is proposed. 8e would
claim the privilege which ne rules OF order gave nm
u make few remark aud then 10 ca! ior DIVISION
u the question
tie desired and proceeded TO- anay2e the vote OF The
Committee VINO reported that Resolution. he hoped
We should Dot allow any tisn who Was an unoeie'ef
or an inncei, ary improper person, 70 become d
legislator Ia the Church U. Coo. bson'ta - 5'en
gwen livery one snd sign received tnat such person
.nemoer Of the Kingdom Of God, bLt as such he Is
not qualified for 81 tie Offices OF the Chureh Baptism
IL the n r.t condition the second Confirmation third,
| Cou,,uoion The Reverend gentleman proceeded 70
aetoonstrate stl farther his assertion OF tue in ui
cheney Of baptism 10 entue the recipient 10 all
the SURFACES Of the Church he thought no Lay Dele
gate shOud be adoitted 10 this Convention VINO shall
not be commandment Of the Church.
lie urged this venenenty, entresting all not 10 per
rat the Truth Of God, for which We were here con
tending 70 be tramped under fOOt-trus,ed all would
be iodueed to meet this question fary-to ssy that
they would DO RIGHT wherever they may have an in
iuence-and hoped II would re borne IN mind that II
would be test vote and urged unanIm.ty In favor vi
the original resolution.
Rev. Dr. TAYLOR (Grace Church, said il became bis
day to explain bis for voting against the Reo
luton reported By Dr. vINToS lie Or r. thought ii
"a, question whether this contemplated movement
would rot materially affect the church, even 10 Der
rogs injury. II there is any time. continued DR.. T.
when should draw back from such question as
this THIS is the time He thought the movement would
engender great bitterness OF feeling among the Lsity
and prove injurious and burtiul. Truth and wisdom
lie within certain boundaries which We canuOt trans.
gress without rushing into folly aud extravaganza.
II the change ~ 10 be effected il must be done through
radical action Of the Church. Under present CIR
cumstances Jealousy would be awakened continued the
Reverend gentleman; and his main object was 70 dis.
slpate those views
He illustrate the advantages be afforded
aspiring priesthood" from such acion-giving the
opportunity for absolute power He hoped this would
be the and thought IL decidedly the best plan
cOnciiate the Laity-tnoreOre considered il most
expedent that steps be taken that might lead 10 dis
content lie Illustrate bis ideas by reference
| to various resolutions, amendments, &c
He did not consider this q spiritual Convention
not think Il the Church II might TO exist and
them he inquired would the Church cease to be No,
| Sir continued be- every clergyman who comes here
should have ms constituency ohisd him. represented by
the Laty Aforesaid Dr. l. prepared 10 limit the number
Of these symen as delegations would he advocate
the admission OF candidate for holy orders the
right OF seat IN the Convention for apparent
Rev. CHAs JONES of Johnstown had had some of his
ideas anticipated the hence be could
not present his remarks well he had wished He
considered this not question Of expedency, bat
question of rights He thought the change proposed
would be fatal oDe-thst the test would be contrary
not only the principles Of the Church. but contrary
10 the principles OF Scripture. What say the Epstles
| (said he) but this
"Kaow ye inst many Of US bap,r.d Je.s.
"Tbefsoe We are baued sh him b baptism ao deah. that
he Chrst rsed from the dead By the glory Of tue
| also wax Of lie - Romano ~
Mr.. Jones proceeded. He had much reason to be
lieve that all the individuals who came there were all
COMMUNICATIONS could no be edmiitedi lie
asked II clergyman ever refused the communion to
any person announcing his intention Of uniting with the
Church. aud receiving confirmation at the visit OF
the Bisbop Mr. J. nstsnced several other things and
made number Of Illustrations. He objected ewha
the views OF his Reverend friend the Rector Of Grace
Church Or. Tayor) lie (Dr. T) had said this was
Convention Of Churches Mr.. j. did not think So and
went on to give his He also opposed Dr. Vim
because II not recognized In the formula OF the
Church but because he believed It's provisions contrary
| 10 the Gospel
Rev DR.. SCHROEDER went on to cXpatiate hereupon
ON length. Should do right said ne or bow 70 the
Wishes and prejudices Of the Laty fearing lest we
should offend them The question is one of principle
| no, Of expedeney. /" Do right and fear no evil"
| Rev. Dr. BALcH of ST. Bartholomew said il an.
peared to his mind he would frankly and readily say
mat there was disasenuousness here. The question
e thought, relates not 70 such persons aliens and
strangers hut 10 R0H-conmUHicdEts.
He thought il dangerous confer upon this BODY any
more power than they already possesS-snd said he
would consider the passage OF this prohibiory Resolu
ton degradation OF the Communion.
Rev. Mr.. Wax KLEEK followed large number
very large numberhe would not hesitate to say very
large majority Of the Lay now on this floor will be
iouGd COMMANDMENTS a the subject were investigated
lie held tue ceremonial OF coming to the Communion
an unimporsnt duty but blessed privilege and merely
farther aud more complies fulhllment of the OF
baptism.
Rev. Isaac PARpkK (of the Church of the Redenp.
tom said all N the habit of speaking lightly Of
ihis body and very sbe TO offer riang excuses to re,
away, and that while many absent matters have
been transacted which may affect tic Church to all
sges
Mr. F. went on 10 review the respective claims of the
body and its powers exercised He attributed great
influence to its proceedngs-hst H. particularly 10 It's
spiritual powers. lie ventured even 10 assert he said
which possessed more power than ibis And yet con.
unued he, We call this secular affair
lie Considered II proper. If this be a spiritual body
that members who come here should be spritusl mem.
bsrs. But we have 10 do with principle not with ex.
perience.-Mr. Pardee reviewed also the aes,ion OF
Baptism. He did not entertain any such very high
views OF that ordinance as hsd been advanced
This language brought up Mr. JONES again, who
expatisted Mr.. PARDEE hoped he would wait till he
got through-and he did wait
Mr. PAspKE then proceeded to consider another ques
ton before the Conventon-thai is the qualifications of
is clerical members 1t had been thought proper TO
make these regulations stringent than they are
now. lie hoped the day had gone BY when rules of A
more stringent character can be applied the Clergy
aud that the day is coming when the doors will be
thrown open to all presbyiers and descons who are in
good standing in this Church lie had a proposition to
ODER combnir both the questions before the Conven
uon,he nrst relating 10 Qualifications for the Clergy
the other relating 10 the Qualifications Of Laymen The
proposition as follows, but anal action was taken
upon IL;
The ConVen,aa ~ Be composed al Pr-sbt-r. aad Deacon.
caoacs conacciei h the Docese uat un1.r c e,s.
cusaesnd OF IOmeu Delegate WHO shal BE- counu s1.s CO..
s,tu4 81 aut Ch4rh. T. BE-
e ecvd By sle Nestrs Css-rrsatioa'
Rev. Mr. HAMILTON (oi Greenburg near Dobbs Fer.
Ty) followed in remarks the original Constitution Of
the Church and what he wished il to BE- The Reverend
gentleman u 10 dctaiia He d,ho