The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1848-07-12
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the United States IN that part of New Mexico lying
east o. the Rio Grande since the same has been in the
occupancy Of army and If before what tribunal
such had whether civil military and by
what authority of law such tribunal tribunals
established; aud that he furnish the House with copy
of all the proceedings in such cases.
The rules were suspended yeas los, nay,7.
The question then stated TO be upon Its passage,
when debate took place involving the contents OF
The rBrsIprNT's RECENT MEssAGE-rHE BOUNDARY
THE RIO GRANpE-THE usuRPArroN OF THE rxEcu-
IVE-THs NEW AcauisIrIoNs-ANp OTHER MATTERS
MIR STEPHENS said do not intend to consume much
Of the time Of tie House in giving the views which n
fuenced in Offering the resolutions The President
communicated to us, few days that he has made
q large acquisition in California and New Mexico and
ne calls upon Congress To make the necessary laws to
govern the territory, and to appropriate money to
carry out the provisions Of the treaty 1t seems to
manesty proper that this House should be informed
OF the extent Of the boundaries and limits of this
try over which to legslate, and the character of
the people for whom to legislate So far New
Mexico is concerned, wish to know authoritatively
what the limits of the untry | wish to know
whether New Mexico extends to this side of the Rio
Grande. or not; and if So to what extent wish to
know whether he calls upon legislate portion
OF the territory previously stated belonging Texas
In the messag of lS46, the President says that the
Congress OF Texas, in 1855 defined the boundary of
that republic TO extend from the mouth the source
OF the Rio Grapde and that civil and political juris-
diction had been extended to that boundary This
Is the assertion of the President want him make
II good else will the fasehood of the man The
President goes further, (readng the document) and
says that Texas established courts Justice post routes
ana custom house, within the limits He also read to
ment in New Mexico in 1851 General Kearny says
he has the authority Of the President issue the pro-
canaton for that purpofe-at Santa Fe this side the
RIO 1fande the very territory which the President
informs TIE w.rld-the Texas-which extended from
TIE month 10 The source of the Rio Grande. ask tn
representative from Texas if this be true how does
reconcile he proceedings With the declaration Of Texa
herself
MIR PILLsnuRY-It takes two sides to settle the aucs
uon of boundary. he State of Texas and the gene
raj government will arrange this, and not Congress
br sLnrhrNs-Ihen understand that Texas repu-
Mr. rrLIsruR,-It is reasonable to suppose that Tex
as knows Der boundary better than the President
does. She has had little more to do with il.
Mr. S1ErHENs-Texas has not asserted her rights
Her representatives very silent. The President has
decided against them
MIR PLlsBURY-Well attend to our business.
MIR SrErnENs-l wish to know over what extent
are TO legislatc Can Congress, without knowing the
limits authorize territorial governments! II is claimed
that we cannot egislate territories yet
called upon 10 lsgIslate over these territories.
Mr. McLANE-Has the gentleman made any reference
TO the mes age and The yng documents upon
Mr.. SrrrHENs-Yes
Mr. McLANE-- You will find in them the information
called for
tQuestions were asked and answers given by these
gentlem hut could not hear them with distinct
ness and what follows is mere outline Of what took
MIR STErHrNs-I win tell the gentlcman have ex-
amined the documents. There papers there which
have never seen the lght-they have never been pub
lished
: Mr. MeLANr- Does the gentleman say that the Side
instructions have never been published?
Mir. S1EPHENs-Soue nemy did publish them, be-
heve in the paper with out authority They were not
given Officially
Mr. McLANT Did not the Senate publish the in
structions!
Mr. srrrHENs .T. sanate did not publish them as
know. Twoy ! called the Ex. cutive for
these instructlo House adopted the resolution.
The President, Ia not give them. And if the
gentleman Wishes L. viii inform him that the
instructions 10 MIR SAu,l informed him that title
is good below the Paco yet above the Paso there is
trey different state OF things, and the President says
that that never in the possession Of Texas.
Mr.. McLANE-That information which the gentle
man says has not been furnished there in the docu
ments on the table
Mir. srrrnrNs-The point on which I ask for infor-
nation is not noticed in the message. There is no
map Of waters and boundaries.
Mr McLANE-The documents there contain the
written terms Of the treaty, to the Rio Grande.
Mr. STi PnENs-And here (aying his hand on the
open Congressional Volune) we have the written terms
that Texas claims from the mouth the of the
Rio Grande. Who can believe the Executive Of the
country
MIR. McLANr-I believe that the message of 1885, and
the instructions to MIR Shde soundly consistent,
and challenge the gentleman to iinpeach the good
faith of the Am rican government. We profess to
believe and are honest that the boundary of Texas
from the mouth OF the Rio Grande the source,
and yet We believe that the boundary disputed
And say that the informao called for in the
luton Is on the table, and that the would
have been referred if it had not been for the gentle
man from Ohio, (Mr Vinton.)
Mr.. STEPH Ns-Tle gentleman says that the mes
sage of 1886 and Sldes instructions consistent.
II The gentleman can believe that, be is prepared to
believe an thing ] turn him over. The message
says that Texas asserted and exercised civil urisdic
ton from tie mouth TO the source Of the Rio Grande
never was established If that is consistent, give the
gentleman up
Mir McLANr.-T That is not in the message of 1916.
Mr. STEFHEN.--I do not wish to get into difficulty
with the &c ntleman will read the extract again =
"Ibe Con- Of Texas declared that her boundary
extended from the mouth to the source of the Rio |
GraBde and she extended civil and political jurisdc
ton
Mir. McLANE-That statement is in the slidell in
stIucti ms, word for word.
MIR. s1ErHrNs-But Mr. Buchanan says that Texas
never extended her jurisdiction there
r. hCLANE he reduced jurisdiction.
MIR. STErHENs-I am at issue with the gentleman.
The information ] wish is not in the documents on
the table / want to know where the limits begin and
end That is what want. VIII the gentleman say
that the Information is in The document! =,
hr. McLANE-l 90 assert it, and the gentleman Will
it, if he will let the extract be read 1t is not longer
than that read from the book by the gentleman
OF 1916 states
MIR STEPHEN Does the gentleman pretend that the
information call for is in the the table!
MIR. McLANE-1he instructions to Mr.. Sliden speak
Of treaty for the territory above the Paso to relieve
Mir SrrrnENs-Trey admit the fact that the boun-
dairy of 1eNas never extended over New Mexico That
sn the Shde in tons The information does not
accompany the documents.
MIR McLANE- is there.
MIR SrnrHENs-lf they say SO, then | have never
Mir McLAKr-I If The gentleman calls for the map, he
means the boundaries believe the documents show
the Rio Grande TO be the boundary
Mir SrrrHrNs-1 he gentleman has reiterated what
he said before hope he will not again Interrupt me
unless be brings forward something new. The in
structions Sidel state that the question of boun-
dairy Is a disputed one That is what (the whigs)
have always aid and that is what the President de-
mics II the bou Ddary Of Texas extended from the
mouth the of the Rio Grande, how dared the
President to any living there for treason! put
the question freemen patriots Of the nineteenth
century those who inherit the blood Of Hampton and
Sidney those who opposed to Executive power-how
dare he try q for treason and execute him for
treason and that within the limits OF sovereign State!
want the President to inform where he obtained
the authority to do his. ask whether alien enemy
can be tried for treason at all? While the
going the wings who said word against the inroads
OF the Executive, dc nounced giving aid and
comfort to the enemy. But the day of retribution
has come
An explanation took place between Messrs Schenck
and Pillsbury about what said during the last
Congress, in relation to the boundary Of Texas