New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1847-02-17

would be numerous, End iDH WOlk 10 % oDAc tSLl'
psrstvey small The proportion Of produc. which
each Laborer would receive. would thus be fu5ect -
constant chan~s OF IN tser 1sf1s Ire price OF LsoOr
would rise and is in strict conformity to the present
law which u founded in the nature al the case and
cannot therefore be essentially changed.
But the assertion that Associaton proposes nothing
but Reorganization Of Labor Is deceptive quite IS
much 20 TIE Tri5EHcs similar assertion that az Il
asks Is 500 900 for the trial Of an experiment Ny
GOODWIN who has written perhsps the most clear and
explicit work this subject yet issued in this country
says also that the School Of FOURIER proposes nJt one
thing the organisation 9f La50r ia ~ IorBship But
be has the candor 10 AID that
Le,a Tosnsiip he a. organized according 70 our
prnc pies and the reform .l sosn reai oer The ~ "a "a
nor "-snd that Law, Government, Manners, and Re
ligon would all be more OF less affected by uniAfy re-
girls Of Industry"
In fact the very by which Association proposes
10 organize Labor, involve and require an entire and
radical change in al the relations Of Social Lille Men
and children % be brought together 70 WORK
together and 70 live together under relations to
be held together, by bonds 10 live IN an en-
trey different state Of things from that which now ex
ists Thus we have shown very clearly that this new
social Form requires that Parental Authority and tina
Obedience shail be abolished; that the Husband and
Wife instead OF being one tie laws Of God have de-
creed shall be entirely independent OF esch other "a
name and in property and that eacn shai nave perfect
liberty Of action and affection that the kducauon OF
all the children shall be committed 10 council chosen
by the aggregate members and that various regula
tons Of similar character shall be introduced In order
% the kdrn0nU OF action SUI OF ne WHICH
co1l6. sae prevent Associsou from fanr bsck into
the discord' and anarchy Of existing Society The
Tribune us that We cannot make one rational
being believe that there is any necessary connection
between Association and these requirements and
charges US IN the following language with having un
fairly made quotations in support Of that position;
fYou saw 1T to nske The unqualified assertion that 10
Association. al would be required 10 eat al one common
table corrected your assertion remsrkng that Il arg ed
gfoss ignorance your part Of ne writings ane views OF
Associahon.ts This reuart was seized by you a. pre-
"a anita
You hasten heuPOn 10 quote sunay passages not al All
sustaining original ssserton but N Tfgef 10 ednea-
ton te tranfng Of uanf' fhe HdeHdenos Of 1Uoen &c.
few words we doubt not viii convince the Editor
that bis memory il entirely fault In our fourth srt
Gle OF this discussion, dec ~ we inquired, what
provision would be made in Association for fduo1ioH
and how the principle would be carried into the var
Gus departments OF domestic life the conugal relation
the training of infants &c. The Tribune replied that
Education would he The special charge OF councillors
elected by all the adult members" and that TO the def
mite arrangement Of details, II would require columns 10
state II fully"
In our reply. dec. 90 spoke Of this response
unsatisfactory and mentioned several obstacles to the
system OF education worship and domestic lite, so lar
1t had been set forth NJ the same time asking for
definite information. The TribVafs reply, dec
20 was in these words:
@Your mistaken assumptions win regard to eAllng,l
eyincen sad unacquaniauce with system which yon have
for years been denouncng AZ abonnabe, and impornF
everybody TO understand and eSecrae A. you did 10
'gih Tegrd to LaboT, 10 EagcahoR 70 httgon So had
you bat read aHeirey any ofs ritngs Of the As9ciaoH
,sfs, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEM HOW your OBSTACLES ARE
sURMOUNrED."
plicit language the writings Of The hss0cia0nisfs
ior the information had asked. as 20 how our OBJ
staces TO be surmounted.' We wsro toid tnat II
would require columns TO give the answer and that
il would be found in the writings OF the Association
iss And 10 this day The Tribune has given NE no 0T
answer and yet il abuses us Tor using that one we
stil compelled to follow those directions ana nave
endeavored as we advised. to read attentyely
the writings of the Associanonsts, In order TO learn
what Association proposes 10 DO and ho proposes 70
do IL The Tribune does not charge with having mis-
quoted the writing TO which II referred us but
simply dsavows personal responsibility for what they
may contain. The Editor apparently iorgets that we
are discussing the merits Of system we are eXamin
ing Association The Tribune understands H. and
Is forth in those writings Of the Association
ssts to which The Tribune referred US for its under
standing of IT, In the course Of this inquiry we have
shown very clearly, that t Syoa seeks 10 absorb the
Family spirit seeks 10 abolish Parental Authority -
seeks TO annu the duty of Fils Obedience Seeks TO
destroy the essential character OF the Marriage relation
and shall hereafter show that II setfs = do NEW
,,,i,r t,sfngs equally sbnorrent TO moral and
the direct ncucaiions of the Word of God. Now Mr.
BRISBANE may may not disclaim such an intention
for himself personally so may Mr.. GOODWIN 80
may FOURIER and so may the Editor of The Tribune
Disclaimers of this kind do not meet the point Inc
controversy cannot be made personal one, nor can
personal disavowals relieve ne Systaa from Inc prin
cipes and results which be proved upon H. PAINE
repealed the charge of being an inhde, and declared
himself 10 be a Christian but this did not In the least
change character OF his writings upon tne
IL is needless add that Tie Tribune isofcsies quo
taton when il makes ssy that Mr.. BrisbdHt seeks
20 destroy the Family" We charge thst purpose upon
The Sysel and those who uphold Il, must share the
responsibility, although they may disclam the inten'
ton. ~
To sustain its attempted dissvowal Of responsibility
for the doctrines referred TO- TIE Tribune quotes re-
solution passed in lSii, by the Associaonf's OF the
United States of North America in Convention asse en-
bed That resolution says that those who passed H.
DO not receive all the part Of fourers theories which
RI flfnaNa Hsf4sr ~ wi afgN 20
WEIGHT il NAV be entitled includes other parts OF
Fourers theories than those specified But ne paTfs ~
hare quoted among h0s rtlch are tTmea eovse
tyai They DO not come within the sphere OF his as
cainier They are set forth As speeulsiions but
are given as essential portions OF that social Science
which IN the language Of this resolution
"FoyArrR humbly believed to be- and revereny taught
as discovery Of Eternal Lars Of Dne Justice, establish
ed and made inown by The CkkAroA
The dsayowa therefore, does not reach the case -
And for saying that there are parts OF the system
which Individually they reject what Is mat but say
ing that ne SyseH does not reject them though indvd
uas may And the same thing may be said OF any
system ever promulgated. The American Government
may just well disclaim responsibility for Repaoh-
can system because individuals reject some OF its lea
lures.
We repeat therefore, the statement with which we
set out that Association before the public as
new SOCIAL SYSTEM, based upon distinctive principles
of moral and social philosophy proposing certain dem
ie results and seeking their attainment by definite
ORGANIZATION Ii Is offered substitute TOR the present
Society and seek 10 replace IN VII rs depsrtnenis-
II Is presented experiment not as scheme OF
conec,ursl spccuatons, but ss Social SCIENCE,
as he rue and the only true Social System, created BY
God It's principles implanted in humsn nature and hrsi
discovered set forth and embodied in definite organ
/ zatsn by FOURIER Thus Mr GOODWIN, IN the preizee
| 10 his popular view Of this subject, says
We wish 10 rest he claims Of the Social Science Of
Fourier upon precisely the grounds on which Her
scae rests the Science q Astronomy Fourier and b..
disciples hold ihA! his 0ca pincP are snfhtd 70 rank
sccnc being capable o. mat rigorous demonsirsuor'
I which only w1lfu prejudice relecis
Now the principles Of such a science If true must be
Of universal sppesiionjusl as the laws OF Astronomy
are universal They must reach and shape and control
sll Social forms and all Social life just the law Of
graytaion controls the material universe Il u absurd
10 restrict their operations 10 the organization Of labor
or OF any one branch Of social existence II they are a.
is claimed the principles Of true Social Science they
must control all departments OF Social Life And THIS
il fully conceded and indeed is distinctly claimed by
/ all the writers upon Association. In our next arucie
upon this subject we shall set forth more directly thar
we have done hitherto what these fundamental prnei
pies are and how they surmouni the obstacles which
seem to Us likely prove fatal 10 the success Of the
system proposed. In doing this, We shall OF course
follow the directions Of The IribbEs and consult az
,entively the writings Of the Assocstonisis one Of
two points OF The Tr5HRfs last article which We do no
notice now will then be considered.