New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1847-04-29

any way. Make out. II you will, As your argument
assumes. that all Unitsrisns Universslis with others
who not deem Man essentially and totally deprayed,-
all who believers Ia Mesmerism Phrenolosy, are
Inhdels and still my positions arc unaffected my srgu.
ments mistaken Prove II you can that Natures laws
not Of God Dat of the Devil-snd what then Are
my positions weakened Long before this controversy
commenced, you knew perfectly well tha, advocated
Association on my own grounds, and you distinctly
sssented tina, should adj it in this discussion
and that you would meet me on the csse should pre-
sen, it, Have you done so Look back on your whole
through this controversy Look then, to this
passage alresdy quoted from Goodwin page g. and to
the whole page asserting explaining and eDforcingi IT.
The school Of Fourier that is of the Associstionsts
who disnctvely termed Fourerites profess oni one
hing. The ORGANIZATION OF LAsoR IN TIE Town
SHIP 1t has other o5iea other fSth' as School
Individuals are II course, always at liberty to promu'
gate Whatever opinions they may see NJ
When therefore, you tell me that this or that As
sociatonis. makes Passional Attraction his starting
point answer What 10 that to me He Is welcome
When you state that profess dsarop that law.
you state what have not warranted Undoubtedly /
should dissent from sny Of that law from
your pen still from such deductions thereirom IS
YOU would consider fair and logical but do not feel
called upon either TO dissyow or affirm ths' law 90
No, deduee the necessity feasibility end benehcence Of
Association from any abstract speculation OF oeoy res
.c,,g the essential nature Of Man but from what is
known of his history and character Whatever the
intrinsic depravy Of bis nature no one disputes that
he who has grown up from birth to maturity in Scot
land for instance is Likely be far superior being to
nj. fellow educated on the Slave Coast and SC of Con
neeticut and New. Zealand Of Union Square and the
Five Points although the intrinsic depravty Is neces
sary the same in each case But does any man seri-
ou.ly contend that Scotland or Connecticut or Union
Square affords the best possible conditions for the for
nation of an exalted Human Chsracteri May we not
rather fairly presume that what has been done Is but
foretsste of what may be II il be true-as who can
doubt that a community imperfecty and
partially supplied with The means Of Education, Re
fnement Moral and Religious Culture as ours, must
naturally exhibit an INN and continual improve
ment on the Social aspects of Tartary or Abyssnis
why should not Social Condition afording to
suery rler5er advantages equal to those enjoyed by
the most favored In present society lead to
corresponding results In short concede me only that
all our semnsries Sermons, Sunday Schools etc. are
not empty and ntolersble srceshat human beings
they exist throughout the world may nationally and sd
vantsgeously be instructed sdonshed, developed and
you cannot bring Human Deprayy to bear effectively
sganst Association If the Divine prayer Lead me not
into temptation and the dissmiar entresty OF Agur
the son of Jskeh - Give neither poverty riches
lest be full and deny thee, and say Who is the
Lord lest be poor and steal and take the nsrae Of
my God In vain be- empty words-then tits desirs'
bic to call into existence Social state and Social laws
very different from those under which we have hitherto
lived and are nowlivipg-s condition which shall bridge
the gulf yswning betvixt Wealth and Poverty and
immensely diminish the temptations of Want which
Agur states forciby and clearly That there will be
sin and Suffering under the very highest Social condi-
ton speedily or at all atsinsble by frai Mortality
does not at all di.prove the feasibility importance OF
the changes involved in the idea OF Association.
Whist you say of Marriage and the kindred topics, in
view Of all that has already been urged In the course OF
this discussion cheerfuy leave to the discernment of
our readers. They know whether have or not main.
tanned that whenever indvid usl impulse shall prompt
to acts inconsistent with general good-Theft, Hatred,
Adultery and Murderthst impulse is to be obeyed or
repressed do indeed believe that men daily bur
rsd to shameful graves by dissipation by suicide by the
gallows who are intrinscsy worse than those who
live and die in odor Of sanctty and, with equal oppor
tunites and facilities would have been equally respect
ed and honored to the last may differ from you in
dsbeeving that Human Nature, truly instituted and de-
veloped would ever tend TO debsuchery, theft muir
der do differ the point that prcpenses to
evil be sterny repressed they cannot Otherwise
be overcoms-repressed by force and penalty II
sary submit to be taught by experience a. to how
far and under what cond tons this necessity shall be
found 10 exist know that ii was once necessary, In
view of the actual condition of mankind threaten and
TO inct the most ndous judgments against dols-
try or the worship Divine of man. made images and
the most revolving of human fsncies
see that among the very descendants Of the nstoh
thus SHINING and thus punished there's now no shadow
of necessity for condemnation Of ldoatry though
theirs 10 the same Human Nature of old. ls 1t pre-
posterous to believe that with true aud thorough de-
veopment OF their inteecs and their affections, other
vices aud crimes seductive may in like manner be
shhorrent 10 mankind Was not the proclivity OF
Mans act in violation of the rule Of Right the
wthregard to ldolstry that II now with regard TO
sins stil popular among Jewish and Christian commu
mites And If yes. How does the fact OF Mans deprav
y such as 1t is prove that he will always continue
prone to Adultery or THEFT any than he is to
lido atry
Your assertion that Mr. Goodwin contends that the
bonds of Marriage ught TO have no force beyond
the consent of the parties whom they bind" s in my
confident belief grossly untrue but shall not dwell
upon that however obvious and sinister its purpose
And TO the prevalence OF personal purity constan
cy, will very willingly compare the Associationists
with their sdversaries the world over That individuals
among them have erred in this respect in others is
doubtless true that have perverted the doctrine OF
Passional Attraction subserve Illicit desires posi-
BILE, though have not heard of such instance But
where there has such there thousands
on record where the pages of the Bible have been
pressed into similar service-where the scarcely re-
buked Poygsmy and Concubinsge OF the Old Testament
have been cited Divine authority for similar conduct in
our day How unjust and unauthorized this is, need
not stop here to exhibit
Your pretence that this discussion" has compelled
The Tribune disavow and abandon Of the most
vital and essential elements of the Association theory
will be read by thousands who will freshly remember
the express and indispensable stipulation st fret made
by that the subject discussed should be Association
as understand it'-the difficulty had in bringing you
to assent to ths-lhe difficulty you had in jasufyng
to yourself your pspabe determination from the
first 10 violate your engagement-snd the you
have pursued since. You knew well at the outset
that intended TO advocate Association from my
stand point and that this somewhat different from
that Of Fourier or Brsbane-you knew that had small
regard for abstract metaphysical speculation in eompar