The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-26

OF the ouest STAIN he would throw over him the cover
ing of the imperial purple. The power Of Constantine
had gone BY
Rev. DR. 0orLBr then to speak, but the the Chair
Mr. HupsoS, of Western New York.
DR.. OoILBY yielded with some reluctance, aud
Mr.. HUDSON proceeded. He had listened with pro- |
found attention to the argument which had been put
forth and inasmuch as the subject had undergone a
and able debate he should not speak to
house had laid aside ell the propositions which had been
laid before them and concluded to discuss the question
whether the diocese vacant not To that qaes
ton he proposed to direct his remarks He contended
that the diocese both absolutely and virtually va
had disentombed wild theories and vagaries which had
slept for fourteen hundred He did not intend to
initiate their example. He believed that their own ca
mons made ample provision for the The gentle
from Louisiana said that II the bishop to
sumo his duties in the diocese ne would be
and 30 largusd Mr.: II he gave up hts whole argument
lssnsation) Another gentleman had argued that the
standing committee had done act which unlaw
full by procuring assistant episcopal service while they
at the time time declared that the diocese
had done unlawful act why not bring them up for
trial once' These and others which
he named had led him to believe that there
cancy aud If there vacancy, 1t was admitted
all hands that they could not proceed to election
and leave the diocese to act as they
might sss fit under their osnons. He believed
which - they protested. to fear God and love
mercy, they would relieve the diocese fiom their
various bishops given the time OF the trial Of Bishop
Onderdonk -concurring in the view that suspension
would dissolve the bond Of union which existed be-
tween the bishop and his diocese although it might de-
pre him Of the of exercising the duties OF the or
Ace Gentlemen had referred to the Of the bishop
guilty of crime. He had never been convicted OF
crime The sentence said nothing about crime. Why
then attempt make it appear that he had committed
crime! To return to the argument. They had TIE OPT
MON of four bishops that the diocese not vacant
Again, the whole House of Bishops had just declared
a
ed that the church had brought reproach herself
by the OF events which had tranred since the
sentence Of suspension was pronounced upon Bishop
Onderdonk Greater liberties had been taken with the
clergy since that period It was his that every
engaged In, would aggravate these evils He hoped,
therefore, that all undue excitement would be avoided
they would yield their prejudices to the common good
1t being past O'Clock, notion the house took re-
cess tiii7 O'CLOCK p, ss..,ox
On resssembling at o'clock the president took the
chair, and called the convention to order: A..
The house proceeded to the order OF the evening,
being the election of committee on the part OF the
house. to act with committee Of the House Of Bishops
in nominating Board Of Missions.
Rev. DIR. VAN INGEN and Mr.. COLLINS were appointed
tellers and the baotting having been concluded the
tellers retired
On motion, the debate was then proceeded with
Mr.. MEMMINcER then addressed the house. He had
hope that there were sufficient number among them
that would be governed by to the time Of CIV
ing their votes He had not doubt but that there were
many men now before him. who were anxious to act In
upon this question in q different aspect from that in
which had been viewed by most of the speakers He
created For what had they come together in conven
ton? To divide the loaves and fishes NO He came
believing that he came to convention OF me Church
Of God. He to build it up 1t was to this church
their councils directed We're they to divide the
word We're they to say that they had right to deny
any portion of that over which he had made them
the guardians? Here were thousands around them
famishins for the bread Of life while they were CON
tending about the interests OF one He was
land To EpiaCOpaAHism
interests of the whole While this question had been
ID sns Ana
talked of being Epscopslians Any one who undertook
say that any diocese should not have bishop did not
do his duty-did not obey the commandment lie
held that all had inaensble rights and spiritual
rights inalienabe as civil rights civil insttu
tions stood upon the foundation Ms spiritual he
could show il he had time, that in the bosom of the
Episcopal church the seed from which terminated
all INN hsy
find the principles Of civil government He maintained
them limne that the church had no right to refuse
the diocese of New York bishop. Had New Yorks
bishop? If she had bishop, she was not destitute OF
bishop lift be true that she was not destitute then
op to her Take the other horn Of the diemma-admt
that she destitute Of she was entitled
sna s hs sa duty f o uG
Howl BY a provisional bishop1 The people of New
s ssa. bishop Why offer them the
service. of bishop Of Of ts KIND
The canon provided for provisional bishop in Of
dosttution. Why then make canon What would
be- said of them then if they should make canon! 1t
would be said they were convinced that there
need Of CANON but they wanted to restore the
bishop Now he did not wish such an impression to go
abroad He did not believe there were ten men there
who desired the restoration of the bishop How could
they restore the bishop till he confessed ms sins ana re-
and had passed sentence accordingly How then could
they who preached from Sabbath to Sabbath that there
was mercy except by penitence and through Christ
restore to the church before he gave evidence OF
penitente? He hoped they would maintain the purify
of the church Ths only remnant Of divine purity left
with this fallen race bound in the female heart
He hoped the church then would take all proper means
to protect this female purity Inc Bishop OF New YORK
had been convicted of certain crimes.
Mr. HUDSON desired to correct the gentleman; the
bishop had not been convicted Of any crime
mThe CHAIN called the gentleman to order The guilt
or of the Bishop of New York had nothing to
do with the question before them and, therefore,
reference to this point was out Of order
Mr.. MEMMlNcEK stood corrected The bishop had
been guilty of certain nmoralities and suspended
The diocese was deprived of his services They were
bound, then, to make some provision Now, what was
order-his ofce-and his territory When the apostles
called together to elect bishop IN the place OF Ju
das they @ ous aaa ns any 10
be very inconvensnt and the bishops were subsequent
ly appointed over certain dioceses The office Of
bishop and his special Jurisdiction thing-the
local Jurisdiction another-the arrangement of the
church, and not n divine arrangement. man might
rsdction bishop must be admitted to the House of
Bishops before he should be ruler in Israel have
power in the church. Whenever any form Of govern
ment gave to any body Of men exclusive rights tact
conditions always annexed to those rights. He
quoted Bishop Hobart to show the republican form of
the government of the Episcopal Church. They need
not have recourse them to civil analoges The Church
the parent Of repubcans he had before stated
and possessed within herself all necessary principles
The said, that when bishop elected to the
House of Bishops he should be eligible to the oice OF
diocesan bishop making 1t evident that q diocesan
bishop had some power which general bishop had
not. But when Bishop Ondsrdonk was suspended
why could not the diocese proceed to elect ano-
Their bishop? Why, gentlemen commended that ne
subject to restoration. Now he commended that
this was matter of contract. The jurisdiction OF the
bishop was subject of Now he believed that
the diocese right to the bishop that he had
mower to elect another bishop Gentlemen COMPOUNDED
things when they talked Of benehces They had no
thing to do with bsne6ces Their provinces was to 10
Qislate with regard to spiritual affairs, not temporal
The doctrine for which he commended was laid down by
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