The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-02-03

ed she asked brother Seys there; witness said
vert and brought Mr. ssys to the tent he went IN With
wtdsss and said 10 "How do you do Sister Cram
she said How do you do Brother Seys she said she
quite UNIV ell but hoped she would feel better in little
he witness does not recollect more OF the converse
ton she was at the nc Ss
| Joss sramined-Q-How long have you been men,
| per of the Bedford street church,
Q-s It part of the duty of class leader to inquire
morals Of persons looking for admission into the
| church
Ayes sir.
Q-Are you sure it she that asked you to 90 for
Brother ssys or was it you that suggested that you
Al am sure il was she that asked me to 20 for him;
now remember very distincythatit was she who sad
my examination before the church committee that
was thet suggested to 60 for him, but don't recollect
| JANE EMERY examined by Mr.. WHlrINo-Is q member
Of the Methodist church; was at the Camp meeting in
Sing Sing in August; came down in steamboat; Mrs
Cram and Mr. Seys on board; she told me the
that she thought Mr. seys excellent man.
and would be the means Of doing great deal Of good in
| Cross evamined-Q How came you to recOllect tho
A-There was q fight in the boat. and we were oil
very much alarmed and tho conversation arose about
whs aofS e pe
said to Brother seys You would save me, surely"
Why" said Brother seys f" should Sister Cram
equally interested about ye1 Mrs Cram and witness
then got into conversation and both agreed in saying
Mrs DRMAREsr, examned.-Is a member of the Me.
hods church; was at the camp meeting at Sing Sing;
Something happened in the boat, aud we'were much
frightened Mrs Cram said Brother seys, you would
met" he said why sister Cram should save you"
she said, Because am member Of your church. and
one Of your class, and have two children" Witness
and her husband on going to love feast on the follow
Dsmarest spoke of Brother seys usefulness and Mrs.
Cram ssd after they lost Mr. Cheney she thought they
would get another like him; but their loss full
y made Brother Seys particularly class leader.
Cross.eranined-Is not a member of Brother Seys'
church now; is member of the Jane street church.
DAVID DEMAREsr, examined by Mr. WHIrINc.-The
testimony of this witness the that of the last
witness, In reference to the love feast.
Conference.-The not now a member of Mr. ssys'
church, left last August has been attached to the
Mrs. BrLLAMr, examined by Mr.. wHrr,re.-Is mem:
Der OF tho Methodist church knows Sister Cram she al
she ever sat under as was before the camp
meeting she praised him; cannot tell exactly the month";
but was about the time she wa. III she met one
her at IL o'clock the next morning. that she did not
to asxsd to Ps s
Mrs MARGARET DxrrIs. examined by WHITING
Knows Mrs Cram by sight and had conversations with
her after the camp meetings she was passing witnesss
door and witness was on the stoop and sister Cram said
Brother and Sister seys not with herr she then be-
gan speak of his holiness and devoedness in the min
straon and praised the whole family she said she had
done great deal Of sewing for the family and had never
charged him any thing or witness said abe had made
u
witness didn't charge him for it; witness said she
did,; that she had family, and that when she
and other people she should paid by she heard
Mrs Cram afterwards call Brother Seys dear and de-
voted man when she made use Of those expressions;
and Mrs Cram requested US all to for him. and she
said that dear meaning Brother seys for her
husband, and she hoped he'd get the benefit Of his
FRANCES porH examined-Is domestic in the family
of Mr.. Seys; for Is months remembers Mrs Grams son
coming to the house with message saw Mrs Cram at
Mr. seys house very frequently as late as November and
December; saw her come there with Mr.. seys little
Q-What time was that
Q-What month";
Al think it was in October.
Q-How do you know that
CoyRr-N must be during the month Of October or it
could not be during the Fair.
Mrs. MARY ANN HALsrEAD.-Isa member of the Me.
Brother seys; she told WITNESSES sister that she
see her that he came and lent her dollar, and
that he went to party and there exposed her poverty
class meeting the night this took place
roher Seys there and led the meeting at class
meetings is usual to hold religious conversations with
Cross sraminedJoned Brother Seys's church in ls4s
had intimacy with Mrs Cram out of the church. and
only a sister when she made this remark about
Brother Seys very angry he apolosized to her
afterwards class meeting and said that those who
dying in the odor of religion did not want physician
much those who had never book. and it his
duty 10 attend to those whose spiritual welfare was at
stake.
Mr. PARKER examined-Knows Mrs. Cram a class
mate knew her in ls15 Mrs Cram was at Gloss, and
she complained that Brother seys had not been to see
her he said there were many sick and dying without
religion that they wanted his care and attention more
after we came out Of church Brother ssys asked us ali
to 20 in to Sister Seys, but we did not go; sister
Cram was very angry at the time The remainder OF the
witnesss testimony was not impe RANT
Mrs. SARAH ANN JoHNsoN.-Knows Sister Cram as
member of the class; remembers the contribution
H. Tnv NfraR uhn on,A
good health at the times after class witness went to
ter Beers and found Brother seys Sister Cram and Sister
t Cram joined n aA SrohsS anu '''
Cross.eaamined-sister Jay does not 60 to Brother
Seys's Church heard OF difficulty between Sister
Jay Brother seys; does not remember when Sister
Jay Left did not know much about herr she did not bo
chasre numbers about cS msmbsrs dvdsd into about
forty or fifty classes
DecToR PuRDY examined by wHrrIre is practising
MUSICIAN; attended Mrs Cram from 26h October to tn
November ls45; Mr. seyss name was mentioned during
that period the impression witness mind is that sic
osseramined-Mrs Grams disease was one Of
slow approach and takes considerable time to deveope
itself
AsHuRsr ScBILLINe examined-Is baker; knows
Mrs Cram only talked to her once at Hudson street;
%s s aS ns ts vS
landlord Mr.. Dodge;" witness then went in and sat
downs witness shortly after gotuP and as no was going
out said he would call and her again; she replied
| Crosse1amined-Whe I am in full weight weigh
loo IDS aW tns weight now i've ~ tne CoIner VI
Grand street; DOM do anything, do want to do
it; drove bakers wagon for six or seven years
call that the baking busicess; before came here
| was clerk in drug store in Maine when first came
here was six months in Brooklyn doing nothing my
| mother died last and left $500; have
been living out Oft since expect 90 to work the
first of April mean to be of until that time told
what have testified to Mr. seys; am not member Of
the church the night had this conversation with Mrs.
Cram came; there to take home Mrs Currier and the
children, that were a visit to Mrs. Verellan.
Q-What led to the conversation between you and
| herr
perhaps I'd do as well; now live Mr. Fritzs house.
| grocery store; board with Miss Lewis; don't know
that there is any other boarder there's Miss Lewis is
| young woman; never Mrs. Cram after until the
church trial; had conversation with Francis B. Hall
on this subjects told him that all have
about Mrs. Cram was joke, and that wanted to save
MIR. Seys.
| DArIrL D. ALLAIR-Is a butcher; keeps a meat shop
in Hudson street, knows Mrs Cram she resided in S45
in Hudson street. about block from WITNESSES shop;