The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-16

VOICE nave been able to recommend. We think them
en.'eu, before they are condemned entirely inefH
yeke that consideration We only to say that we
the expression Of any opinion on the subject
and to ask you in conclusion that the report which the
COMMITTEES have printed for the use OF the
mouse IL Is hoped that gentlemen will consider the
aro,a 20 which we have sdverted that they will
consider the consequences that may be the
result Of their action IT. after this consideration II
Dc the pleasure Of this convention repose on the
mended undisturbed by any further legislation IL NAV
be desirable to know on the part of many members
the diocese of New York These do rot art
every mind with all their force aud ii nav therefore
would be this the bishop Of the S;ocesa e @
York would remain a suspended bishop, until the
~ " . OF at the application of the bishop
y. oi soe Vi his friends or moved BY some ara
form to medyit They have power to modify it in any
y now inflicted The diocese would be in the condition
In which the third canon places it, having the aeknow
lodged authority on the part of the standing
Of the diocesan convention to seek the aid h;shon
in the Union for any period of time which thew might
connection with the third canonthat canon th;rd 81
ls3sdid for some reason forbid that where bishop had
an assistant and vacant diocese called for the episco
pal oces OF the senior bishop they necessarily must
have the episcopal Offices Of the assistant bishop The
truth Of the fact Is that 1t thought that the whole
have bishop, where the senior bishop was
to perform the duties of his docese and we could
diocese to supervise another diocese 1t seemed
therefore, desirable, that q much larger latitude
should be given. Having thus endeavored to sx-
plain the purposes Of the committee have now
to say In obedience to the request IA member Of the
convention here reminded Judge C. of another topic
upon which II desirable remark II is suerested
to me- that reference has not been made to another
dhcultv which was experienced the subject In the
committee rCe md which gave character to the form
IN whon the proposed relief was proposed which
diversity Of opinions exist throughout the whole Union
The COMMITTEES were divided the extent of the va
In ha Inc ta O.,
express limitation IL fruitful source of discussion
and very anxious subject for thought in the commit
Zee. MANY were glad to perceive that it was founded
upon the opinion that indefinite suspension was ali
right The opinion wasthat there was no indefinite ss
pension in the case The fact that the House Bishops
mad the power to arrest the sentence remit 1t at
time, made it, in their estimation, equivalent to sem
tsnce-which on its face should be expressed in the
form, suspended till the House Of Bishops shall think
proper to remit the SENTENCE Without meaning to
say that this would be the united opinion have no
such authority but believe the reverse to be the fact
there was after much thought the subject willing.
ness on the part of all those who entertain that opinion
to unite In the enactment proposed in its present
power OF bishop or collective body Of bishops is
question with which this convention is not called to
No exist without prescribing the form
as well as the.subect of their action Our canons from
the FIRST commencement Of the organization OF our
church. have undertaken to assign duties, to regulate
the manner Of performing those duties to the bishop
the church canon provides the mode Of introducing
bishop into diocese to perform episcopal duties BY
tho adoption of the enactment thus prescribing the
now shown it is understood that without you have thus
pnSartv form the bishop would have no episcopal
man may believe that bishop is full bishop wherever
he may iiud him He may be vested with all the
perform any episcopal office. which BY his sacred
ohoe ne has power to perform, and yet they
this church. in the prescribed form by which the
aton Of his proceedings shall be established well
this body of the Protestant Episcopal Church Of
United States Of America subject to the legislation o.
the General Convention composed Of the House o.
Bishops and the House Of Clerical and Lay Deputies
This view presented itself calculated to enable
those who entertain the opinion that the diocese was
vacant to adopt the language contained In it, and at the
same time to enable all those who entertain the opinion
that the diocese Is not vacant, have still diocesan
diocesan whose jurisdiction is not voded but in sus
pense-atso to agree.
MEMBER here called for the reading of the report
when 1t was again read by the Secretary.
Judge CH.MHras continued have performed
what considered my duty and ask that this report
ana the oanons appended to it, be printed for the
the house and that all further action it be
"a until the printed copies really furnished and op-
portunity furnished the members of this house of
forming themselves Of the contents Of the report
the canons appended will only add, that desire
misconception in regard to the House Bishops being
court of appeal have now performed all the duty
owed to the house AZ a member OF the committee.
Will, hope, be excused from making any remarks e1
moro Daotu. The committee aware that every mem
Der Of this body the power introduce only
this but any proposition which may his opinion be ex
with the proceedings Of this body and therefore think
It proper to express my own NATURALIZATION am
tee as accomplishing the largest Of good for the
church. as in the present position Of opinions the
subject 1t Is practicable to accomplish without meaning
at all to interfere with the conduct OF any individual
whose superior enlightenment and Judgment, whose
deeper reflection this subject may lead him to differ
from the committee. mean to express my opinion,
that If 1t were possible that gentlemen would como
to the conclusion to which | have arrived, in the
present divided state Of opinion will not say between
this body and the House OF Bishops but between
bers of this body and among the members of the House
Of Bishopsit is AN impossible expectation that apy
which he rncin NJ
ferS classes Of persons called to act the subject
could be passed; If they would reflect the probable
agitation and excitement which the discussion Of the
question not only affecting principles dear to individuals
but affecting personal considerations which of
cessity Affect their sensibilty- they would reflect
these facts and then enquire what would be the result
of those agations in the church. In extending or re-
moving the discomfort which has harrassed portion
the church, cannot but 1ster myself that they would
after d. ep consideration with the before them Of
forming an opinion as to the results Of such step
not but atter myself they would the expedency of
not introducing in this body any proposition which would
involve change Of the opinions to which they stand
pledged by long consideration, deep reflection pride Of
opinion or in some cases from private considerations
In short hope that every member of this house will
fsel himself bound to dscountcnance the
OF any proposition unless first 1t is held by him to be
sentiay necessary to the of principle
which he cannot let pass without being settled and that
MED with good. move, Mr. President to lay this re-
port the table for the present. and that the
time and the canons attached to it, be printed for the
use Of the members.
Mr. MIMMiSGER rose to propose an amendment to the
motion He proposed that 1t be made the special order
Of the day for Monday next
Judge CHAMBERS proposed the day after tomorrow.
MIR. MEMMINoER-That will be Sunday.
Mr. MEAD said the members could have printed copies
Of the report to morrow morning.
Judge CHAMBERs-Vsry well, then propose to NOR.
row morning
Mr. WILLIAMS said that before the vote was taken he
wished to submit to the house some propositions In
order that the same may be printed at the time
the report and proposed canons Of the commttee
so that the opinion of this house may not be
ey the report just read and in doing So he did it with
dndence am (said he) new delegate, not very ia
milisr with canon law and only bring to my assis-
lance the little knowledge have and In the remark.
whcn am about to make, ! desire to be understood
that mean not to pass opinion of the validity OF
invsdliy OF the sentence passed upon the bishop
other words, with the sentence which we as legis-
lators, have nothing to do. But there are some
principles laid down In these proposed canons
to which | cannot assent. l object to them espe-
caly because the question referred to the committee
was that OF bishop indefinitely suspended but the
mttee have gone into the case of priests deacous
which was not referred to them That will not ref,r
TO now but wish to enquire whether in the caao ~