The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-14

The Protestant Episcopal Convention-The
House OF Delegates.


The Protestant Episcopal Convention-The
House of Delegates.
SEVENTH DAY.
The usual morning services read after which the
house organized and proceeded to business.
Rev. DR.. Van INoEN said he had resolution to offer,
but he would withdraw 1t In Of debate. 1t WAS In
reference to the admission Of persons the galleries
that the doorksepsrs admit all orderly persons until the
Resolution withdrawn, and again offered by another
delegate.
Mr. FoRBrs said he opposed to the distribution Of
tickets but as the system has been adopted he thinks
The whole subject was laid ON tho table
The committee on canons to whom was referred the
proprsty Of changing the periods Of meeting Of the
general convention, reported that 1t be referred to the
several diocesss to consider the proprety of subst
tuting the fourth Monday Of September in place Of
the arst Monday Of October.
Rev. DR. HAWKS moved an amendment, that the fourth
Monday Of August be substituted
Rev Mr.. HANcKELL, chairman OF the committee said
that his committee discussed the proprety Of having
August substituted but theythought would be more
Mr. MsSora movsd an nassniia ~ ths
whole subject.
Rev Mr.. GRswoLp said, he could speak for the do.
In the West: that II the conventions be held In
October the West and Southwest will virtually be
cludsd from attending In the case Of Missouri we
venton had held the session earlier; 1t H. the dele
gates that have come will have but chance Of
getting home II the session should last two three
weeks more. He hoped gentlemen would take this sub
ject into consideration
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matter be referred to the committee the state OF the
church.
Rev. DR.. HAWKS seconded this, and would take the
liberty Of saying that this subject occupied the atten
ton Of the house ut previous session. and then
the representation from the south smaller than
u ID now, the time was not changed. At that time
1t did not Affect them much 1t does now and II he
understands the gentleman from South Carolina, 1t
must be borne in mind that large portion the church
Is deeply interested in the matter the gentleman
from South Carolina s This he would submit is the
year when all portions Of the people Of the
them bpi It.
ton or plantersand 1t H. therefore, the worst
time OF the year in which they could leave home The
question Is really not triing and he believed it
would be found that in the West and South with the
cepton Of South Caroline It would bs agreeable to
opinion best to refer the matter to tho Committee
the State Of the Church. which is composed of gentle
from all parts of the country, and who would pro-
badly by compromise agree on q time that would be
more agreeable to the South and West than the time
new fixed.
Rev. Mr.. GRIswoLp said that the delegates from the
Eastern States reach the convention very rapidly
by of their numerous railroads and other
Of conveyance which in the South and West we have
not 1t frequently happens that the Ohio and other
river leading to the West closed early the first
Of November consequently, il the convention assem-
bed in October, and should hold a session Of three
weeks should be put to great Inconvenience In reach
ing home which cannot be the case with delegates who
live in the Eastern diocesss.
Rev Mr. HANcKELL, OF s. C., had no possible objection
to reference to the Committee the State Of the
Church. far he concerned; he presumed 1t
30 with the other members
Mr. MEMmNorR ssid his whole object in moving in
house as to the question whether they wished any
change ut all in the time Of meeting.
Dr. MEAD concurred in the view Of taking this as
test question the purpose the
house wished to entertain the objection ut all.
The question was then put and carried.
Rev Mr.. NEWTON, Of Massachusetts in pursuance of
the motion which he gave yesterday then offered
solution that the house adjourn day at IL o'clock for
the Of giving time for the committees to mature
their business.
A delegate proposed that the hour be fixed at ~
O'Clock 1t then past H. He thought important
that they should not advance backwards.
The amendment being accepted, the resolution was
adopted.
Rev DR.. Cromwell, in behalf of the standing commit
tee On the Of Bishops presented report
in relation to the election Of the Rev James g.
assistant bishop OF the diocese of illinois, did not in
their opinion furnish sufficient grounds for reporting
the usual certificate ready for receiving the signatures
the house. The canon provided that when bishop Of
diocese unable by of old age other per-
manent cause of infrmity, to discharge his episcopal
duties, one assistant bishop might be elected 1t ddnot
appear that there any evidence that the present
bishop Of the diocese Of Illinois unable, either from
old age from other nrmites to discharge his duties
The communication which had been laid before the
bishop was unable to perform his duties by Of
his and bodily nnrmities ~ not stating that he
disabled by odd age" The committee had subsequent
Iy received document from mNmbers Of the diocese in
tended to supply the defect in the FIRST testimonial
stating that the disability contemplated by the
did exist In the OF Bishop Chase, of Illinois, and
that assistant bishop necessary The committee
would submit these facts leaving the house to decide
whether the Rev VIZ should be
receiving the usual certificate The committee submit
ted in connection with the report the following resou
ton.
Resolved, That the report Of the Committee on the
Conservation of Bshops in the Of Rev James Bre
ton Bishop elect Of Illinois, be laid the table to be
called at the pleasure Of the house. and that the
mtec be discharged from any further consideration OF
the
Mr. KELLY begged leave to offer the following as an
amendment to the resolution
Resolved That the house do now proceed to sign the
al Of the Esy Ja n
when signed by the house, they be cent with the docu
ments annexed to the House of Bishops,
Some conversation ensued to whether the subject
was debateable
The CHAIR decided that the subject was debateable
MIR WILLIAMS called for a definition Of the statement
made by the diocese Of Illinois, .that the bishop was
unable, Ia consequence Of aud bodily inrntes, to
discharge the duties OF his Office" He could see no
difference between such statement and the canonical
phrase, " old age.n
Mr. YouSo appealed from the decision Of the chair as
given above.
Mr. thought the resolution submitted by the
committees amounted to simple motion to lay on the
his decision and thus avoid the unpleasantness
Of an appeal.
MIR. MEMmnroER apprehended that there was no doubt
that the chair right in its decision The committee
had acted upon the memorials presented to tnem and
decided that they insufficient They submitted
resolution to that effect, and asked to be discharged
The resolution was subject to full debate The decision
OF the chair no submitted perfectly conformabe 10
the rules OF parliamentary order
MIR. VAN iSoEs moved to lay the subject the table
Mr.: MrMmINoER said II the object Of the gentleman
was to lay the subject on the table with the view Of
he had no objection to IT, strongly protested
any attempt to strange the business before the
MT VaN!rdEN desired to explain the matter kindly
and canddly The house had voted to adjourn in few
moments rhey must do something before they ad-
Journed He proposed therefore, simply lay the sub
Ject the table till they had time attend to IT,
The motion was then put and agreed to.
Mr. WHARTON called up the relative TO the right
OF membership to the convention, and to amend
the second section Of the order page $50 of the
journal Of 1874 by adding thereto the words provided
nevertheless that the secretary shall not insert
said list the Of any person who shall appear by
certificate, duly signed, to have been chosen by the
convention Of diocese in lieu of other deputy"
Mr. Wharton remarked that the Of this amend
would take from the secretary very large
ton, and would afford desirable limit to his action
thought there could be reasonable objection the
alteration.
Rev. DR.. HAWKS moved reference OF the proposition
to . SPECIAL committee the rules Of order.
The CHAIR suggested that 1t be referred to the
committee which lately served on the same subjectto