The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-12

had right to be there de ure h, shsud be there With
the same right As any other member but If the house
decided that ne was not there de he should under
stand that he there exercising rights by favor lie
the brethren for their kindness He loved them
had they introduced him to that Convention he was
not there de jure He could not gentleman, accept
OF favor from them when they conferred that favor In
violation of the strongest obligations Gentlemen told
him he must be chosen. He had not been chosen, and
therefore he had not right 10 seat in that body The
gentleman had talked Of the ecclesiastical poty What
did the gentleman mean by ecclesiastical poity Did he
that there something in II variance with
the common az not to be by
symen II far he concerned. he not In
favor Of ecclesiastical poity -Laughter) God had
made him rational being and rational being he must
veiw every thing The venerable gentleman proceeded at
length to review the remarks Of previous speakers
but Of his remarks inaudibs ut reporter
to take the question openly directly why should they
go into committee Why cover with . multitude Of
words question which could bs decided at candid
ly, honestly by every member Of that convention ?-e
iterated cries Of question:" "question.'O
Mr. HUDSON begged leave to state that the honorable
member from Virginia had consented to the arrange
ment proposed by the gentleman from Western New
York-that the question he taken by putting the
luton which he !Alr ~ had offered and that his
mittee.
ctatng the decision Of that body but he must do 1t
by first withdrawing his proposition and giving notice
that after the question had been taken on the PROPOSE
ton Of the gentleman from Western NewYork he should
his proposition After brief reference to the
remarks Of the gentleman from south Carolina, Mr. r.
concluded oy disavowing the doctrine OF strict con.
structon, TO which he. said much odum was attached
In the portion OF the country from which he
nswcd cries for the question"
Judge CHAMBERS said that he had not the sghtest
intention Of mputng the odous doctrine to his learned
friend from Virginia After few remarks he proffsred
the following as substitute to the resolutions pend
ing:
Resolved as the sense of this House, that members
elected by the authority Of diocesan conventions
according to the practice Of this body fully entitled to
their seats
Mr.. RTEs could not consent to the introduction OF
Of
Judge CHAMBERS proposed with view of getting at
the of the house. that the propositions
before them laid on the table, and after this question
had been decided, to offer another proposition
Mr.. RvEs rose to explain his understanding Of the
suject. =,
Mr. KELLY rose to q question Of order lie believed
both Of the gentlemen had spoken more than twice on
the question: IA laugh
Dr. HAWKS remarked, that rs he had had the honor OF
bringing the subject beorehe house. he wished to
the opportunity Of presenting his views Of the subject
He agreed entirely with the renteman from MARYLAND
that those gentlemen must sit there by right or not al
ALL bis proposition was that thew were members Of
the house. and that they be reported
that he not of the constitutional question OF
that 1t had arisen former occasions 1t was
knew all this that he wished to obviate the mat
ter. But the question was to be raised, as he had
stated yesterday res adjudieata The question had
been raised AS far back as 1870 and it had been
decided that such gentlemen should have seats in
that body. The question he considered settled moi
by single case, but by o cluster of cases Their,
was another question which must come up eventually
and which they must prepare to meetwhst was the az
tent Of the powers Of the diocesan conventions
and what the power Of the convention? But thi
question he trusted would be brought before then
ut this time. After some further remarks,
VT. HUDSON rose 10 speak put Was caueo 10 oroer'
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The resolution of Judge Chambers of which wa bay
/ given q copy above was then taken up
MIR. Wharton, Of Psnpsylvania moved to strike on
the words according to the prestce of this bodyu
Me- MeEAlLANo, Of Virginia. rose and said that Il a.
pears the question Of tho titfs Of members to scat
In the convention Is to be determined by the prac
tce OF the convention heretofore. Now, sir, salt
me- hase hos hssro' anu WISH 10 know II the lac
eA.ss, ,nere Ias oeen any practics Dy tne con
uon.,on Wien deserves 70 Dc called 1enoerst
Sio on sno suuyeos uTuer discussion. II there ma
csen ene wiz % Justined IN passing THIS re-
oiusIoI out II nere nss not We ought NOT, IN respec
~ discus m W. A.. rom wnss ne saw Of tns matter
~ Sn.seJ ~ :. eLt s paoo a.ooe lron snc ~ nimt.e
az Le. tnae rspor. DO disposed OF oy resolu
sion .nat no. conourred In ana would not that
~. y u IIVu Nsry,sno iwoulo wisi
mode to PC adopted without reference to the sens
~ .uo On ths conststuuonaty OF tne CUES
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30 .S os ssS any opnon ~ .ne quession, 0nc wa
~ se otner sna, my merely lePorteu the iaots
tasy aoana ~. Iuem r nor. continuea w ell, tnen
suot Us inc names Oh IN gentlemen are already en-
rolled os the secretary informs us they are Let vot
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convani;on ~ admttaJ to hsr M M
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cent this a. y substituta '"1s' oAA"'ef'' "ouu NC
wv ~ No ~
JUDGE CHAMBERS said all he wanted was expression
OF opinion by the Convention whether these gentlemen
were entitled TO their seats or not and declined to
the substitute, which was then offered as an amendment
by the mover
MIR JoSrs of Vireinia said he had aIwax va tbo,ob
that the constitution Of the church was vel
in hs opinion the RESOLUTION offered bv the oentens
row Wprrisn M ,-onJ bc a.. ,trst;n no s;s ss
sanc,on ~ II housa> n. co,s aes -, S N h ~,
=, ;,d, $500, sot az ~ i .ornu Gu "nol
~ i,h ar,,.I 20 ,h o.;tr vi~s '"ii"s'ns uPoi
VIC nun "i..o' u '"0 oon'su'o"'
Rev. MIR. TRAPPER, OF south Carolina, was the mex
speaker he iet some ne said In speaking OF
the subject and II he were to give way to false modest
he would not speak but he has attentively observe,
the course OF the debate listened attentively to al
question before the House one OF great Importance
question: he said that the exclusion Of the gentlemen