The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-26
The General Episcopal COMMUNICATIONS Of
Delegates.

MoNDAY-sEvENTEENrH DAY.
Morning prayers read by the Rev Dr. Forbes
and the lessons by the Rev Dr. Rutlsdgs, Of Florida
The minutes Of Saturdays proceedings were read and
approved .s.. A.. .o,,,,,,... -,
had instructed him to lay before the house two
very Important Subjects Of which might probably
tend to bring about the peace Of the diocese Of New
York He then submitted canon In favor of suYrsgan
ed to appoint joint committee said canon, and IL
they concur that the committee canoas be that
mittee on the part of this house
| MIR. CoLsroN was opposed to the introduction Of
which proposed to introduce the question Of
sursgan bishops. was an entirely new principle, and
would occupy time in discussion than the house
had spare this late period Of the session He there
fore moved that the subject be laid on the table
After further remarks the motion withdrawn
and toe canon was read by Mr. Evans who was under
stood to have drawn 1t up.
entirely with assistant bishops He had always believed
that suiragan bishops were preferable The canon had
approved entirely with the main object of the canon
hoped the resolution to refer it to committee would
Mr. CoLsroN still opposed to having this measure
brought in for final action the close of the ses
He should prefer that it be laid over to the next
session.
If the house were disposed to lay 1t over how
ever he had nothing to say
Rev DR. BROOKE suggested that the discussion was
out of order and that the resolution to curail debate
| took precedence.
The CHAIR concurred in this view but said that the
strict rule Of order had been waived to admit the report
of the committee canons.
The SECRETARY moved to lay on the table the un.
finished business of Saturday. take up the report of
the committee canons which being carried, the
| luton to appoint joint committee was passed.
| Rev DR. JARVIS then reported further that the
mttee con,dered the canon which thew had reported
would heal the existing difficulties of the diocese OF New
York They further reported resolution stating that
it pedent to make the numerous changes which
had been proposed In a great number OF canons
On motion of the sEcnErARy the resolution was laid
the table for the present. In order to take up the un
finished business OF Saturday.
Hon. Mr. HUNTINGTON, Of Connecticut then moved to
faLo fhan nHna ad husi far
time Of taking the final vote the resolutions of the
diocese of New York He explained the question to be
his motion to take the final vote at o'clock day
amended by the motion Of Mr. Crak, Of Kentucky, to
limit each speaker to half an hour
vail Though he did not propose to speak on the sub
ject himself there were others who did and he felt de-
amply discussed He felt the Importance Of bringing
the convention to close Some of the clergy were en-
likely to have their pockets exhausted and they were
very DESTROYS to be relieved from their anomalous posi-
considerations in favor of bringing their deliberations
to close possible But he also felt deeply
was willing to make some sacrifice bring it to salts
factory close They the clergy had oppor unity to
preach to the aitytwioe week but the aity an oppor
hoped their common sense views might be heard. He
hoped the motion of the gentleman from Connecticut
Rev. Mr.. GRIswoLd conceived that the gentleman
had mentioned Of the most important reasons for
limiting the debates 1t true that the clergy had
opportunity to preach to the laity twice week. and
he for one should be glad to listen to the lsty this
that if their exceeded half hour they
generally considered pretty tedous.-[Renewe laugh
Mi HUDSON moved that the questions taking the
final vote, and limiting the speakers be divided and
Mr. MEMMNGER would suggest to the gentleman,
whether it would not be better to amend the resolution
| to IL o'clock to-day.
| tonight
| tn fanA hat QnflQ
| obliged to go home. It their duty to remain In
convention until the business was finished and they
| should make provision accordingly
Mr.. GALLAGHER moved to lay the motion, to take the
| question at O'Clock tonight, on the table.
division Of the house being demanded, the question
| carried, 81 to So
A message was here received from the House of BIZ
nominations Of the Trustees of the General Theological
| Seminary as made by the several dioceses
The motion to take the final vote at twelve o'clock
| to morrow, was then renewed, put and carried
| Rev. MIR. VAIL then proposed new canon, empower
ing the convention diocese of New York to elect
q bishop from their diocese to have Jurisdiction long
the sentence Of suspension should continue in force
and providing that if the bishop should be restored the
relative jurisdiction of the two bishops should be decd-
| ed by the House of Bishops.
On motion the proposition laid on the table, and
the
Rev. DIR. Mason, of North Carolina addressed the
house The question whether the act OF
thought it did not he then proceeded to review the
marks of the gentleman from Louisiana CDR Hawks)-
First with regard to perpetual suspension there could
be doubt that the testimony which he adduced prov
ed that perpetual suspension the deposition
The Rev gentleman from New Jersey tDr Ogiby)
brought forward testimony of contrary nature Doc
tors disagreed He inclined however, to take the
authorities Of the Rev. gentleman from Louisiana and
proceeded to give his for doing Though his
learned friend from Louisiana had erected noble struc
ture he did not say that built upon the sand
that he himself would be the first to put the
crowbar under It and tear it down Yet, In
the of his remarks he did He de-
stroyed his own argument as regarded the diGe-
between perpetual suspension and degradation
DR.. M. maintained that in many cases the suspension
INNS ha md La ind
sion did vacate jurisdiction. Temporary suspension
could not take away jurisdiction, as some gentlemen
had admitted and as all must admit The bishops own
act he illustrated might take him away from the
ercse of his jurisdction and yet not take away He
did not know nor did he remember single example in
the whole history of the Church Of Christ, in which
limited suspension even indefinite suspension did des
troy Jurisdiction They had many examples-some Of
which gentlemen had cited to the contrary His reverend
brother had argued that in the of Lord Keeper
bishop, and thence to the king Would the reverend
gentleman or any on that floor contend that juris
dicton derived solely from the secular power' He
| surprised to hear such language used.
1.-THE hour of twelve having having arrived the chair
announced the order Of the day-the election of trus
tees for the General Theological Seminary On notion
the order was suspended to allow the Rev Doctor to
! conclude his remarks
Dr. Mason proceeded to state his views on the ques-
| ton of Jurisdiction. The command Of the Saviour,
Go ye into all the world" Sc, he said not given
to the aity but to the clergy that the clergy the
apostles alone had power to confer Jurisdiction Now
in the of the apostles Jurisdiction not at first
limited They preached as missionaries wherever they
had opportunity but they found it necessary
to make arrangement among themselves by which
their abors might be divided geographically and such
an arrangement made preaching to the crcum-
cised and the other to the uncrcumsed Sc. He pro-
ceeded to show how local jurisdictions in the early
period OF the church He then reviewed the arguments
Of various speakers and said he conclude the word
suspension used in the sentence, did not per-
petual suspension He argued from consideration of
the history Of the church and from anaogies drawn
from military and naval life that indefinite suspension
carried to Its utmost extent did not destroy Jurisdiction
The house he insisted should be guided by prn-
cple, and endeavor to do that which right That
which was right would always be found to be most
pedent. They had better do nothing than do wrong
He argued in favor of the purity of the church and
| Of the bench of bishops In particular, from the
sentence OF the bishop because they had no prece-
dent of the kind No such had before
| Cured The church in this country had been kept