New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1847-10-23

FOURTEENTH DAY.

Mr. sm.n~ood Of Ohio and the lesson, By Rev. Mr.
Dunn Of Eev-yersey.
Dr. Esson OF Mas. proposed an inquiry nto the ex.
pedierey Of printing Spanish trs.on Of the prayer
book
Some reports no. Of general interes, rad one
also presented the State Of the Church request,
ine the Bishops TO publish pastoral address.
good deal Of tine then occupied In deciding As
to the order Ia which House would take up tn,
Of the Diocese u Sex.Yors. and several proposals
we're msde and withdrawn. The debate. when finally
engaged in took pretty vide range though not
tensive might have been expected, snd vss continued
upon the general subjects through the whole Day
session. Dr Forbes Of Nevf0rk ihe first speaker
and introduced proposition which would be hoped,
come meeting the views Of both extreme par
ties possible. The substance OF IL was that 20 sen.
ience of indefinite suspension 10 ci Bishop should
hold longer than the sitting OF the General Convention
thereafter and that then be should b. restored 10
hs episcopal Office provided thsi the Diocesan COnysn-
ton Of such Bishops should not 10 tue while object
DR. Forbes accompanied bis proposition with 81 srgu-
the nature and validity OF tho sentence passed
Bishop Ondcrconk. He maintained that Suspension
must in the nature Of tn case hsve some term or else
Il would bs equivalent 10 degrsdstion This would con
the which pEcscroes that there shall be
three puuishmsnts-nAmey sdmoniion suspension.
and degradation. To suppose suspension without IN
end virtually 10 compound the second and third
DR.. Forbes contsnded also that the diocese was not
and that the sentence 10 question rss hull and
void and that the Bishop mis- lawfully disregard II and
resume bic functions In the action OF the House
this perplexed and df ;ult matter. there guide
but principle and far possible they must act with
out spe cis regard TO this individual Add, while
the principle tina, hsd swsys governed the policy OF the
Church well considerations Of Law and justice
seemed 20 him 10 dictate ,tst such be pro
posed should he adopted he ready to confess that
be- himself one Of thsse who believed that the
restoration Of the Bishop was Ia Itself the most desirable
thing.
DR.. Forbe. was followed by Messrs Rives and WI.
ams OF Va Ia favor of declaring the Diocese vacant
and Messrs Evans Of Nd. aDd Osuby OF ~ Y virtually
Ia favor Of the restoration Of tne Bishop. The speech
Of Mr. Rives very able one, and wss listened 20
with profound attention By the HOUSE.. He said Inst
there were In fact only two alternatives before The House
either 10 declare the Di0cese vacant TO rensaie the
suspended Bishop Ii bad been said that suspension
would make room for reformation reformation and
repentance might restore the party 20 the esteem Of man
and the forgiveness OF God Tut 10 the high Office
from which ne hsd been dsposed a Bishop snosid be
stainless The latter surely no gentleman would Ia form
propose 1t must bs covered with some disguise Mr.
Ryes supported his positions BY copous references 10
both civil and ecclesiastical law.
Prof Ogiloy, the other hand argued that the Do
not vacated By the sentence and that the sen
tence by the very absence OF limitation 10 time wss
void. tie aso quoted At considerable length from the
canon law.
SIR Williams would treat the subjec, rather in the
light Of BY which Ii must at last be de-
cided what contradictory csnOns and ussges
might BE- found Ia records of the Early Church.
The discussion OF the day hinged altogether upon the
egsl question whether the sentence Of suspension va
Gated the Diocese The merits Of the original case, and
ths justice of tbs sentence were not considered.
During the day message was received rom TIE
House Of Bishops he effect that they had concurred
In the election OF Bishop kemper 10 the new Diocese oi
Wisconsin.
liule pas, o'clock after good deal Of conyersa-
ton and many motions the House took recess Ill IN
the evening.
Ia the evening. Dr. Hawks Op ned the discussion by
saying that really but two points at issue,
namely Whist is the condition OF the Diocese of New
YORK and what the power Of the Convention 10 al
ford relief 10 regard 10 the fret !, was his deliberate
ANA solemn conviction that the Diocese was vacant On
h. head the reverend gentlemen entered into an esbo-
rate aud most learned argument showing from writer's
on the law in ell Christian countries thst eccc
siAsca suspension viihou, limitation, like that of Bishop
Onderdunk is by all authorities held to BE- absolute and
perpetual Next he entered into examination oi the
sentence passed the Bishop arguing that that II wss
full perfect complete. canonca, sustained By preee-
dent and just eccsiascs ss any sentence that ever
was pronounced In similar terrifying his positions
every poiut by numerous authorities Ia regard To
the ancient writers whom he quoted. the speaker would
that they had the binding fuTce upon the
House their csnons but still unless they would
cot o0se from all the experience OF the past and say
that wisdom would die with them, they must adhere 10
the established pretsOns Of technic. eccesiastcsi
terms such suspension lfthey would abandon this
they Lust frame new canons and set new meanings upon
words
Next wss the assertion that the sentence nui-
IT, that tbs Bishop might II he pleased resume his
Office 20 morrow This peri CT pefifi0 prtncptt-
Why If the suspended Bishop TO attempt single
ministerial or Episcopal set bile punishment would b.
both swift and sure lie would be A liable 10 the
penalty fixed upon contumacious disobedence OF sen
tence which nothing less tbs instant degradation
Dr. Hawks then examined the argument that the sen
tepce was void because there In the Church no
power OF revising sentences During this part OF the
speech Dr. Forbes aud msde some explanations OF
his remarks In the morning TO the effect that be had
used the word remit" revise This DR. II said
was OF little consequences, and then went 10 speak OF
the power Of showing mercy which belonged TO the
Church saying that could only extend In such case
to the restitution Of the psry TO the common privileges
Of Christians, but not to high ONCE 10 the Church
lie then took up the view which had been defended
At gres, length. namely. that Bishop Onderdonk YVES
still Bishop Of New.York and said that those who held
that view must make these four admissions.
The late incumbent Of the Diocese OF New York be-
ing suspended only 10 stil Bishop Of that diocese.
2 By the very terms Of tie sen'eDce be can perform
20 one set OF a Bishop.
3 A tbs suspension mug, as as long AZ the sentence
lasts, Il msy l-st for life
T. Where = diocese has Bishop. no other Bshop can
be put in and therefore the Diocese OF New YORK can
elect other Bishop As long ~ Bishop Onderdonklyes
These four admissions inevitable ss he commended the
speaker then took up aud carried out u tnef conse
quepces esvorng all along 10 show That the diocese
was vacant and treating each point with the same cop
business f Illustration from writer's OF established repu
tslion on ihs PRINCIPLES of Church polity.
Before Dr. Hawks had concluded bis Remarks the
hour Of arrived ard being fsigued be moved an I'D
iournmept which carried leaving him In possession
of the door this morning complete ore OF the sblest
and closest legal arguments we ever had the opportunity
Of listening 10.