The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-02-11

After eluding to the injustice Of allowing the use Of
sugar In brewing and distilling while the mslttsx
was retained the noble Lord promised the govern
ment support In their Irish measures, provided
they did not yield to exoI bitaDt demands and
ndo whS he thought had Ssso r,in
sbused, mplored the government not to take any
rash steps with regard to them and set to work the
surance that, they honestly abored for that end no
party con.,d'raticn' should defeat their endssvors.
Amer some observations from Far, Fi.zwiliam, the
Marquis Of Wes,meath the Earl Of Rcden the Earl Of
Ha.dwiek aud the Earl of Aucklana,
the Marquis OF LANsDowNE in reply to Lord STANLEY
stated that he would on Monday lay before the House
the Measures which the intended to pursue
with regard Co Ireland
The question was then put and ngreed to men, con
and their lordships adjourned till Thursday.
In the House OF Commons the Speaker took the chair
for tho discharge OF pablo business quarter before
O'Clock. Several new members then sworn and
various notices Of Importance we're given by different
veral independent members.
Mr. e. HowAhp, IN moving the address in reply to Her
Majesty speech enlarged upon most of the topics con-
tanned In It. After dwelling for time the famine
disease and mortality unhappily prevailing in Ire
land and on the patience with which those terrible cala
ties had been endured by its suffering population he
pressed upon the House tue necessity Of 2iscardng ali
party disputes, and Of devoting itself energetcaly but
dsp8ssionaiey to the consideration OF all tend
ing to the Improvement of that country He expressed
his satisfaction that tho government with view of alle
WAITING the existing distress and Of augmen'ing he sup
for limited period to take of the duties impeding the
introduction Of foreign corn and to admit sugar into
breweries and dstileries Such measures, however
could only DO Of temporary natures and the permanent
condition Of the country especially OF Ireland
could be improved by such raliiatives He there.
FORE hoped that would adopt such
al would prevent temporary from becoming perma-
nent evil.
Mr. 8. O'BRIEN observed that, however reluctant he
might be to disturb the unanmity of the the
present OCCASION he should feel himself to bswanug in
his duty to his country he were to remain silent with
respect to the suerngs Of the people Of Ireland which
could neither be described or exaggerated. The very
last paper which he had received from Dublin contain
ed the report Of eight inquests held in the county
Mayo, which had each returned verdicts of Death by
Starvation If asked, he could not say that the gov
ornment was entirely guiltless Of this state of things
on the contrary no was OF opionon that if the govern
ment had taken proper measures, not single ind.
ton Why had not the government RENTED the du
ties corn three months ago Why had not called
To fo
laws and to prohibit the use Of grain in breweries
and dissries1 He then proceeded great length and
for the mode in which they had regulated the supply of
food and Of employment to the people Of ireland. He
condemned not only the Labour Rate Act but also the
devatons made from under the sanction Of the Irish
government, asserting that minister who had taken
such course Mr. Labouchere deserved impeachment
His regulations had thrown tho whole country into con-
fusion. He Mr s. OBren) wanted the labor Of the PEG
pie to be directed to works of productive not Of an
employed in destroying roads, while the fields remained
untitled He therefore, Tor the purpose of asking
Lord Russell what were the measures which he had
in contemplation first for the supply Of food, and next
for the supply of reproductive labor for Ireland He
also wished to know whether his Lordshp considered
the calamity local or national calamity
Lord G. Bentck observed. that neither he nor his
friends had any intention to make Ireland the battle.
cries OF Ireland, and with her Msesys concern for
them; and they would give their best and calmsst at
They must however, deal frankly with minister's -
Though they did not censure ministers fornot calling
Pariamsn. together three months ego instead of super
sedinx by their authority he Legislature itself
they could not say that the Of Ministers were such
as they could agree TO. They could look at the
ii had worked well; for its effect had been 10 OBJ
the fields q Ireland anuiei Neither 20 o sssHs
they agree in the wisdom ofthe ministerial measures for
the supply Of food to the people; for government ought
have broken through the rules Of political
OF food Looking what had occurred in the barony Of
Skbbereen where the population had been decmated in
the last lew weeks by famine, could it be said that the
government had done its dutyi There were three or
four hundred Thousand quarters OF wheat now In the
three ports Of London, Liverpool, and Glasgow What
there to prevent the government from sending il At
once to Ireland feed the population starving there
Abiding TO the proposition 10 remove the a. duty
on corn, he repudiated the idea that it had been
the Parliament aud the agricultural interest He
and hia friends were anxious to relieve the gov
eminent from the suppo'it,on that they were bound
10 retain that duty IN consequence of compact
made with the agrc ultural interest," and he therefore In
formed his noble friend that IL their 10
throw any obstacle IN the way OF The repeal Of du
~ IL would be loss to the Chancellor Of the Exchs
and benefit to The fur il would go in
10 NE pockets OF merchants and ioresallrrs of
whom eoplv OF Ireland had already too much rea
complain lie did not expect much ben, III TO &C
from ths rslazatsan Of the naViy aton laos; Tor
to be sending the ships Of 1H nativns IL
dmrca TOR to .1erea they must CO. II they p..hed 10
y, ocurs corn He adpissd inaters to rL1 their rys
~t"eplss Of At'ea economy, and to send the eight
ships " hs ohteh they had eady Tor sea AT
.anercs JOr corn They nigh make fve yaxs.
and PROM that Continent bJor. The vert haroe ana in
that time they you'd bring back $40 oVo quertey.-no
mean supply tooards jesd.ng the people " Ireland.
Lord Jons RUSSELL was not surprised that Mr.. 8
O'bnen had condemned the government for 1t was Cd
posed that which he had recommended himself ana
which Lord q Bsntinck had supported. The hon mem
ransaoked the world to procure corn, ana tnat il
ough: to have attempted feed people Of ireland
with the produce 80 procured Blu: if the government
had adopted any such project 1t would have put end
private enterprise and TO the application of private
capital and would have led to other conseq still
more preudIcal II would have enhanced the price Of
corn in England and Scotland and would have Induced
the laborDg classes in both countries to have become
applicants tor government relief Having pointed out
unwise and mprscticable such scheme must have
turned out he proceeded to defend the mode OF relief
adopted by the government by establishing depots in
turbance to tho general markets. lie defended
the principle OF the Poor Employment Act as
sound and Unstable, and pointed out the oh.
stacles which had prevented it from working sue.
cesslully in Ireland. The employment OF 47O 900 per-
sons representing population OF coo 900 souls with
payment OF ft6s 900, In one week. was not a crcum
Indifferent in ITSELF but pregnant proof that
government anxious by the resources OF the EN-.
pTe, to keep the people from that restitution which
would otherwise befall them. He admitted to MIR s
Bren that the calamity national calamity to be
by the national He had so TO
meet IT, and for any measure which the government had
suggesed he begged leave to that the government
the government alone, was responsible. Auson had
made to Mr. Trevelyan That gentleman had act.
cd with great judgment and d screton but with respect
orders when he had issued and carried into effect
ought to tall upon the government and not
upon him. lie then defended himself from the attack
OF Mr.. s. OBrien for not having called Parliament
together thee months ago. and proved that 1t would
have been very injurious to have called at
that time, the Irish members from their estates,
to attend in Parliament. He then adverted to Mr.
Roebucks structures the Montpensier marriage and
observed that IRON the criticisms which that gentleman
nad passed upon the diplomatic papers, he must have
read them in translation from the French ens
which gave imperfect account of the British
gument. lie could not agree with Mr.. Roebucks doc.
rne that question OF this kind was unworthy the atten
oil the British public On the contrary, he maintain
ID that the recent transaction OF serious mpor
ance and SO it was considered by Lord Aberdeen and
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