The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-24

was sqsvasnt 10 dspoaitca2 ssntsncs 10 shoot and
sentence to hang might produce tbs same resultths
death Of the individual but did follow that sen,
light they might aid imply less degree Of guilt
"a message from the house OF bishops was here read
stating that they did with the house Of dele
Changing the tus Of the meeting Of the general
veuton to the third "Wednesday in September but that
they proposed the hour: Or 9slsgS5es con-
| day in Ssptember."l
Though true that the suspension did not deposs
the diocesan 1t was still true that the effect OF the sus
pension might be such separate the diocesan from
the diocese Suspension and deposition he to
show not Identical II had been commended that
the sentence nullity Kso 1t ought not to have
any effect upon the bishop But grant II nuity, who
Nothing short Of Judicial could do It, Hence,
the convention had no judicial powers there
was contsndsd that the sentences was nuity because
1t assigned no limit to the suspension The canon as
signed no limit i was genera ,S The du re- lon Of the
Not civil urst upon that door would hazard the OPT
MON that while the court had that to
sentence Of deposition suspension the court having
pronounced sentence Of suspension, their Judgment
could be arragnsd by that power II not the argument
the diocese then v.osnt By wS.. did the bishops
hold their once They held it by other tenure than
cislon. They held IL by which required nde
lily, purity, undivided devotion to the duties of the
"
competent ecclesiastical authority to be unfsithful
to give offence he forfeited that tenure But what
was their solemn duty provide for the episcopal
diocese They had right deprive the diocese
the clear light Of heaven radated through the spis
the osse-thst the reports furnished precedents
Be 1t Gould nothing be douei Why yes George ILL.,
But no one doubted that parliament had right to pro
vide for the and they did provide Suppose pres
byter suspended from Office would any say that the
stored What other conclusion could result than that
| a sympathy for the suspended presbyter of more
than the dpsnsAton of the sacred rites Of
religion! Suppose they meet 10 general convention
twenty years hence and h1d that sshoR is
without an episcopate. Who would not decry the me-
mory Of those who had suffered such dsast state
of things In the church These times when they
must act upon the plain acknowledged principles Of
common ssnHe Cases would inevitably sssin the
suggest idea which he believed would Be indsputa
bio viz: that the bishop ought % resign his crsden
right to ra:go his once Hs nov sonssnssd dat he
house at liberty to Withhold relief to the do
to AL the vacancy; still II bishop should in the
providence of God be restored he would pti ~ on
Ger the church ana would not require TO os
pension and deposition. Unfortunately the diocese Of
New York was not agreed as to what course best
II they agreed he would cheerfy grant them the
full extent oftheir Wishes could do 1t with
out the sacrifice OF honest convictions But as they
was the Of the general convention to decide
what must be done Might not then justice be done to
the bishop-the late bishop of New York-and yet pro-
vision be made for the diocese He believed so Let
them determine that the epscopate essential to the
welfare Of the church essential Of heavens
the means Of spiritual growth and he would almost
episcopste.
renee be appointed the message from the House of
Bishops with reference to the time meeting Of the
The secretary suggested that the proper mode would
be- nrst to reosde from their resolution The house
amendment OF the House Of Bishops
lit Is important to note that this resolution will not
affect the time Of hs assembling Of the NEXT general CON
vsnton nssmuch ~ sontemplates alteration of the
constitution which cannot be made before the next
Another message from the House of Bishops here
stating that the House of Bishops had appointed
Bishops Doane Ksmper and Hensaaw members Of the
committees on their part, ON the nomination OF board
Judge CHAMBERS rose to address the house but gave
Rev. DR.. SHERWOOD, of New York. He said they
had spoken enough, and it time for them to
begin to act Though the little resolution which came
from New York had originated the debate the resolution
from that diocese had almost been forgotten amid the
multiplicity of propositions which had been laid before
attention Of tho house to that resolution While
he regretted that his worthy and excellent COLLEAGUES
regard to the conduct Of the bishop he would ut
the same time admit that the manner in which
Ms also would his
non 1t was different from that of his Rev. brother
nsss to s
nrst resolution Of the diocese Of New York and in view
begged leave explain the resolution The resolution
in calling for justice to be done to the diocese supposed
that injustice had been dono to herr rst Ia the
on the subjects and again, by the presentment under
that 1t injustice for bishops to from
great distance try the bishop Of New York This
diocese had never been backward to vndicate its own
The Chair at this point interrupted the speaker
reluctantly stated that the latter part OF his remark
out of order
One gentlemen expressed the opinion that the
gentleman was In order aud
Dr. SHERWOOD proceeded 1t should be remembered
that the resolution from the diocese of New York
with the unanimous consent Of the whole convention,
and the relief asked for the unconditional removal
of the sentence Let this be done and his word for It,
In less time than they had consumed in discussing the
York. fnot settled would be put in train of settle.
ment In such manner as would be satisfactory to all
concerned.
Judge CHAMBERS about to 60 with his remarks,
when
Rev Mr. FoRBEs rose and expressed the wish to say q
single word He wished simply to say that the gentle
man from Maryland perfectly right when he said
that these resolutions came not from himself DR. j.
but from the diocese His reverend brother who had
just spoken. had but recently into the convention
and, therefore, not well informed on the point
Mr. ERR desired to ,i make single s.
that proposition had been offered, requiring the con-
sent Of that house the restoration Of the bishop 1t
struck him that the adoption Of that proposition would
be exceedingly unfortunate In practice and very bad in
precedent He briefly explained the grounds Of these
opinions.
Judge CHAMBERS was now suffered to proceed with his
remarks. He had disposition to argue the PROPOSE
ton Of the gentleman from New York He proposed to
address himself to two principles st The canonical
import meaning and effect Of the sentence aud In de-
fence of his proposition and in resistance to that #
| the gentleman from Pennsyvsnia; and 2dly. the au.
hority consistently with the canonica effect of the SEN
ence which convention had to give the relief which
the report of the joint committee proposed to give Be-
fore doing this he proposed to consider some OF
the objections which he'd been urged They had heard
great deal about justice to New York They had heard
great deal Of the enormity Of withholding relief from
| the diocese Of New York. They had been told
| that they would withhold from the diocese means
| Of grace. He was surprised-started at such
| pressous. They could not withhold from church.
men the means Of grace The conclusion was that II
Bishop Onderonk should not be restored episco-
Ia bis plaoe-that II Bishop Onderdonk
should live twenty years soths diocese would be in
complete state Of hesth-nism. With such bench OF
| bishops a. they now had, such contingency could