The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-14
frs the house would not be referred to any committee

would not be binding on future sessions 'f''- :"
Rev MT MEAD Secretary said the gentleman was mis-
taken la the import Of the resolution passed the other
day, and he would read It. which he did That resoiu
ton says these delegated fully entitled to their seats
MT WHARToN-Now understand the gentleman, and
still desire to have the matter referred.
Dr. OcnRr would observe to the gentleman from
that hs rule Of order which he proposes
to amend Is not more authoritative expression Of
house than the resolution adopted The reference
opens the whole case, which was, test vote finally
decided OF course the resolution then passed cannot
bind future conventions neither can rule OF order un
less by enacting clause. Then, evsn we could not
constitution. He submitted that this resolution II
passed. would open the whole matter again AS he pre-
on the question, he would propose without meaning
any disrespect that the subject be laid the table by
Mr. CoLsror thought that, according to the rules Of
the house, the motion could not be debated
Rev Dr. WYArr the president said motion to lay on
the table was not and he would put
the question.
1t was laid on the table
The President announced, o. there was no member
from Wisconsin the committee on the state OF the
church, he would appoint Rev Mr.. Hatch addi-
tional member Of IL.
message from the House Of Bishops was handed In
to tho effect that it would adjourn at twelve o'clock
Dr. BOWMAN, OF Pennsylvania had resolution to Of
fer that Il be made known to the several diocesan con-
vsntons that purposed to alter at the next
convention the second article of the constitution by
inserting In the third line, after the words churches
Of the diocese 1.-the words or in such manner tho
said convention may prescribe which choices shall not
be delegated TO any other person persons. The
saldwaB In the same words a. the resolution
referred to tho Committee Canons in ls4 when the
same subject brought up and discussed and then
postponed From the discussion on the subject, he
thought 1t was the wish Of the house that the delegates
should be received and also that the
Of the house that there should likewise be CHANGE
that there had been departure from the
and that the house yielded to circumstances In making
the rule they did, and that also legislation should be
had 80 that the election of should be
made within the scope Of tho constitution 1t now
stands. He did not understand the resolution of the
gentleman from Maryland, that 1t construction of
the constitution blythe house. 1t declared the contrary
In his opinonthat according the former practice Of
the house. the gentlemen entitled to their seats but
understand that the house committed itself to the
true construction Of the constitution, but presumed
when the opportunity offered that will say that this
Is not the true Of the constitution think
he said, until some question Is taken the meaning
the clear import OF the constitution-that the
question will bsup every session 1t has been discussed
occasions and great part Of the present
Bon nearly two days has been taken in interesting but
unprohtabe discussion OF IT, It to settle the question
for all future time that he offered his amendment In
order that when the next convention together
there will be a precise understanding the true
meaning OF the constitution in this matter--tbat
there shall be difference Of opinion as to the
legality Of the certificates with which gentlemen
may present themselves here as members Of the
light, that practice once adopted is to pre-
vail 1t wrong in this house to have even depart
ed from the strict letter Of the constitution but hay
ing done 1t was responsible for the damage it has
casioncd Now there exists diversity Of inter-
pretation and IL do come to some general inter-
probation of the constitution the practice win 60
creasng until cannot tell what form Of credentials is
necessary He would therefore that his resolution
be adopted, in order to prevent trouble hereafter 1t
does not enable the standing committee the bishop
of the diocese to elect has this advantage that
gives meaning to the constitution.
Mr. WILLIAMS rose, not to debate the question: but he
understood that Of the delegates from North Caro-
lima who was not present :. Inc commencement OF the
bishop took his seat In preference to delegate who
elected by the diocese He would be glad to hear whe
Their he misiuformed The pro liability of such
occurring shows the necessity Of the convention
taking some action on the matter.
MEMBER from N. e. asked him II he had any official
information on the subject!
Another MEMBER would ask the gentleman whether
N c. not legally represented here, and submitted
whether 1t was not wrong to talk in this manner.
lMr WILLIAMS thinks no has right to form such an
inference and would suppose that delegate coming
has precedence over q delegate nominated by his
bishop He would ask has the bishop the power by his
nomination to Gust such dslegsts, and appoint one
who may be the creature Of his WIFI
member from North Carolina would like to know II
the gentleman is in order and would like to know what
Carolina. He called him to order.
Mr.. WILLIAMS said he had right to suppose
MEMBER from N. C.-Has he any right to say that
there are creatures here
Mr.. WILLIAMS said he had right to suppose q case
Let us suppose case then from Virginia and let us
apply the remarks to It, Ia 1t not shown that there ID
necessity for action In tho matter! Permit tc
say that hope the gentleman will not understand
saying any thing against the delegates from North
Carolina or their bishop. only wish to point out
what might be the result In such q case. The
time may come-it has come, when there will be
necessity for some legislation Of this kind It has come
and 1t may again. II becomes to see that toe
power Of this house is not taken from 1t.
Mr. COLLINS, of North Carolina, rose to speak, but
called to order In reply to the President; h. said
that he would speak to the motion before tho house In
the same way the gentleman who preceded him had
He only wishes the gentleman to understand that as
far he knows the delegates from North Caro-
lima legally elected, and he knows Of collision
existing between them and before any legislation could
be taken such Is recommended to be pur
sued tho matter ought to be referred committee
report the facts The gentleman has referred to
which does not exist. He has heard Of conflicting
certificates and collision among the delegates from
his State. II the Bishop North Carolina has done
as the gentleman states hs has, he has done in
cordance with power granted to him. and II any COLI
sion arose from 1t, 1t would be between him and the
party who gave him the power. The question un-
up unt ss ws ap s hs. Srd
of no such contest. Whatever the facts OF the
may be- the delegates from North Carolina are here,
and the gentleman is not entitled to such Ian
suage
The Secretary then read the resolutions.
Rev. Dr. OorLBY said 1t would save time to postpone
the question, for the subject already before the
committee. IL may embsrrsss the future action Of the
house, II the matter Is brought up now.
MIR. CoLsroN enquirsd II there was motion OF re-
ference
The SECRETARY said It anticipates the action Of the
committee.
DIR. OorLsr said the whole subject was before the
committee
MIR. BAILEY, Of Wisconsin, moved that it be referred
TO the committee who have the matter in charge.
The SEcRErARY-lf you refer 1t, refer 1t to the Com
mittee on Canons.
Rev Dr. Oopr said that he meant to refer It to the
COMMITTEES appointed at the last session. aware
that committee appointed Mt the last session Is not
committee Of this but matterof courtesy 1t Is usual
to receive the reports Of such committees That
mittee has the subject before them and would
Time to wait until their report came in
Mr. HuoER, Of Sou Carolina, said that as a member
OF That body he had right to call for the execution OF
the orders OF the house There order made that
this house adjourn at o'clock and he called upon the
fresident to execute that order.
The PRESIDENT said A motion Ia made tn ad iourn -
Does the gentleman insist on pressing IL?
Mr HAoER-Sir there IL no motion to adjourn before
the house made no such motion The house stands
adjourned. (Laughter)
The PnrsDENr-The house IL adjourned laugh
ter)
IHE ELopEMENT FROM CANTON has caused no
little excitement in that ncghborhood The young man.
James Bennett Is an Engishman OF good education,
VINO has been engaged for year past n Knseys iron
works For some time he boarded In the family OF his
uncle John Bennett but the latter thinking he observed
700 much freedom Of manners between his young wife
ana nephew forbid him his house, and he took up his
abode In another family In h,,.