The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-17

but the remark somewhat qualified afterwards.
ected going into election that mornings but this
all done without that excitement which the gentle
forward to the chancel and shifting the forehead
which had been asserted That tls bishop anxious
there could not be the slightest doubt No one in that
house could doubt that there great anxiety existing
| In the case Of the venerable Bishop Chase Nor
this without precedent He believed that Bishop
Griswod Expressed the design Of naming an assistant
ne dd not say that wasy very extraordinary that the
had made the same request before 1t was dscidsd
that they sheud into election but that it would
n't take place till the afternoon session The house ad
1ourned thus for the present and understood that
the convention would into election for assistant
bishop In the afternoon There was recess for two
TO the character OF the gentlemen named He appealed
to reverend cergymen Of the diocese and he spoke in
placed before him He made objection the
In which he had brought forward then afterwards
hours before they went into their CON
venon being small they thought 1t would not require
they met together, and he lMr K had the pleasure
Of making ths nomination Of the individual above named
being made, they went into ballot. He (Mr k was
OF the tellers and there three discomfort
written upon the ballot The election decided and
he then and said that the election carried
sign the testimonals that It would appear their de-
cison was unanimous and having prepared the papers,
agreed with him, and would be the Hrst to sign the
papers and his stood first the papers addressed
the house yet were they by that man as to
lays stress on the committee not reporting How could
It report, when 1t was not appointed? And he says,
that great extent Of country And let gentlemen look
at the venerable bishop, he standing in that
chancel let any gentleman ask If 1t not time to
lieve him from his labors and him from his
very great cares II he mistook not, under the
ages Of thirty and fifty that their labors might be
iightened For years the Bishop, Of Illinois has
hev
to assemble there and refuse the assistance which
the bishop had asked at their hands and reject gen
teman who he would venture to assert stood high
throughout the various portions Of the Union any
gentleman Of that house: What objection there to
signing the usual certificate Of election An election
Mr. Brtto had carried sixteen Of nineteen votes then
his election three ipdviduals objected to
the whole proceedings and declare there cleo
Bishop of that diocsse The whole question: as it ap-
peared to him. far it had been brought them
ion did or did not take place They placed before the
house the testimonials that the election take place
report, the only objection which urged that
single word h'd been omitted and thus, for the want
Of tho assistant bishop Of Illinois He begged the con-
venton not to carry their prerogave so far such
grounds to refuse the diocese the relief 1t sought and
compel them to send away fr three years longer,
they had already been compelled to do desiring
confirmation. He had thus endeavorsd far his
mory enabled HINT lay before the house of
the facts Of the He might forgotten facts of
minor Importance but he had the principal cnes
Rev MI oIDDINcs again rose and said that it was not
his wish to be construed saying anything the pre-
udice Of the Bishop Of illinois; whom he vsnerates and
respectful at the time he must be allowed to hear
his testimony; that when but single individual
no other would be- nominated during his lifetime If such
nomination was not confirmed that have had
confirmed the nomination TO my certain knowledge,
he would not have BEEN il he had been that
on nO thQ Rpv Rrik
ton. was informed there would have been another
nominated there had been election free from the
authority OF the bishop presume the reverend gentle
man from Ohio would not have been thought of-woud
not have been ncinstsd and he therefore feels free to
state that 1t Is his deliberate conviction there
election Of an assistant bishop In the diocese Of ILL
nois. With regard to the evidence of disability, say
the testimony 10 not sufficient; what the ittee ap
pointed by the to take into consideration
this matter dill, know not to this dsy-ws know
allegations Of the members from inos-to take their
allegations evidence? We to have evidence;
Of documents, aud l. ask what documents have
| we before us! ! say we have no such documentary
should be required and which, for the sake Of preoe
dence should be demanded. Again, say, should
have documentary evidence Of the permanent disability
OF the bishop In q like this not to have
our feelings appealed towe should have the documen-
tary evidence OF the facts which we to legsas
laid before and the assertion that the bishop in
this case influenced the election the best proof that
we should stop where
Rev: Mr. KELLY rose to say that he did not assert
that the bishop influenced the nomination in this
only stated that he admitted that the bishop had
Rev Mr. 0rDprses-Then the step goes on to greater
and greater limits and Is the duty Of the convention
anS to hs ruiz. way '''h0p snail be
There call for the reading Of the testimonials
! from Illinois
M NrwroN inquired whether the diocese of Illinois
has, by Its constitutions and canons provided a mode
for the election Of bishop Of that diocese and If
what provision has been made-whether by nomination
Of the clergy in dioeeses followed by the
hrmation OF the laity or In what other whether
| there Is any canonical provision the subject!
| Mr.. CHAsE said there 10 such q provision made
by the constitution and canons, and they provide
church members then submitted to the lay members for
| this case. .N.
| Mr.. NEwror-Then, II I understand the gentleman
1t constisutonay and economically for that
the nominations Of persons I'LL the Offices Of bishop or
wards to be confirmed by the laity. -
Mr. CHAsE.-Not having the csnons and constitution
will Be reooected that what the bishop at first stated
was INFORMAL and the nomination in the after
noon several hours subsequent to that and in strict
accordance with the constitution and canons Gentle
men certainly recognise difference between what
is extra canoncsl and what is uncanonica AS to the
mode in which the votes collected the gentleman
labors under mistake secretary of the conven-
tion and knew the mode in which the election should
take place The clerical votes first collected and
the lay votes subsequently The constitution provides
that the orders shall vote separately but the vote
may be token simultaneously, as 1t was in this case.
Rev. NJ. VINr,, to question Of order and
qured whether he discussion was In order 1t will be-
recoHecteu tnat IN tnS convention questions
right of the delegates from New York to
their seats The matter referred to the committee
and their report that have right to go behind
the documents presented to Now, in this
have presentedto authentic documents Of the cleo
tion Of An assistant bishop of Illinois Are they forged
IL not pretended that they To prove that they
are not we have the testimony Of every gentleman
cp one and by the signature Of that to set
all this aside and engage In settling family quarres ?!
The principle which governed the COMMITTEES report
Ing tho seats of the New York delegation Is the
which wish to urge In this matter.
RavM Mr. G,nn % L. 49,
toa was made and that the of the
morning we're informal II recolect the proceedings
At that morning with closed DOORS and we have no
evidence that the doors have been opened to this dav
Mr. WILLIAMs-We have witnessed proceedings OF an
unusual kind here this morning The testimonials Of
the assistant bishop executed in due form have hs.n
presented to ugned by every member clerical and Law
OF the convention OF Illinois, testying to his election
and to his character and in the presence of AmI0htv
| God, that they know Of no impediment why he