The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-24

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pursuant TO adjournment message received from
the House OF Bishops stating that they had posed
nons ~ SUI ~ w ePoss ~ w ".
amended reads, as follows
"Of the Penalty Of Suspension.
Whenever the penalty ofsuspenson shall be inflicted
on bishop, priest deacon, In this church. the
tence shall specify whether such suspension be psrpe
wS Of mot s sSS p, nsi on what or
Canon Sd Is amended to make the disability Of
the bishsp contemplated disability by OF
judicial sentence" only the words "or from any other
cause" being stricken out In two cases where they
occur.
The oanons, amended having been read, were laid
DR. OoLBr then resumed his remarks He CONNIE cad
by rscsptuatng the points presented In the morn,ng
He then to the third ground In support Of his
first proposition by his reverend brother suspen-
sion without limit, was deposition that It to-
tai and not only total but forever the ground that
time essential to susosnsion He thought the srgu
ment weak and uutenabls The next topic treated Of
Standardization The r:t position occupied BY the zen.
temsn with regard to this subject this that juris-
dction was not connected with bsnefce, but with office
DR. HAWKES. said the gentleman was not touching his
argument. He maintained that suspension from ofice
took away Jurisdiction
teman he perfectly willing to do him justice then
He bourd to say with all respect to the gentleman
he never hesrd man in the Of hour advance
so many conflicting arguments In chaotic Q mass Of
strange positions Dr. O. then proceeded to review the
various positions ofths gsntlsmsn from La. One Of
the act Of the bishop By what act he knew not unless
it was by events anseeent to the trial Of the bishop
He believed was not vacated by the bishop but by the
sentence OF the court The OF the Bishop OF Clog
her in Ireland he said did sustain his for the
Bishop of Coghsr was totally deprived Of his Office,
and degraded The OF Bishop Provost and Chase
also anomalous cases. and did not add weight to
the gentlemans argument. By the common law If the
church he COMMANDED that bishop GOULD not void his
jurisdiction The House Of Bishops alone could give
jursdction and they alone could take 1t away. The
next argument of his reverend brother was that the
consider the diocese vaosnt He said that he who could
not discharge the duties of the office was out OF ONCE
Once '', the ssntlsman oontsndsd Sodsd the office
This view would be very convenient to great
many sick rectors Again. the gent eman went on
to show that all suspension not degradation.
that sometimes 1t meant accommodation This might
be the case in the mother church Of Rome, but
Again his brother asked what could the gene
convention do to meet the exgences Of the
were Legislative and that an advsory sstvs might
be employed; what then His brother than went to
discuss the various remedieslst by provisional bsh
op He agreed with his brother, that this not the
proper remedy He did agree however to refuse
aocede to the proposition through
duty to hold open door through which pentsnt sin
ner Che judged no might enter! With reference to
assistant bishop his reverend brother expended little
wit to little purposehis saies Of Wit shots fred In
the air Then he to the only here
he Joined hand and heart with him-that this diocese
Their suffer little privaton Of episcopal services than
have whom the great body of the diocese could look
to as their father in God. But there those who
were unwilling to look forward to the period when they
should own this their father in God But had any
right to say that sinner who had suffered should
never that ne should suffer Just
measure of his sentence? The sentence must be rmit
ted sometime II the peace of the diocese would be pro-
vided for There were difficulties on the one hand as
well as on the other. II there were those who would
turn their backs upon the restored bishop there
those who could never look upon bishop appointed In
there we're great difaoulties to be met.
Mr.. WHARTON, of Pennsylvania. begged leave to offer
a few remarks. He considered the question simply
question With regard to the construction Of the canon
There two questions they could settle which, he
believed that the whole question would be settled The
first question to be decided was the meaning Of the
word suspenson in the canon of s44 It might be en-
trely true he believed 1t to be true, that whstever
may have been the meaning Of the word at an earlier
that canon. So much Of the ancient meaning of the
word suspension made that word equivalent to degra
carried ever to the word degrsdaon II the words bad
not distinct meaning the words tautologous The
meaning ofthe word was he In the canon
For II expressly stated that when a bishop
moned to trial he neglect refuse to appear they
should him to be in oontuuacy and sentence
of suspension should be pronounced against him;
but the sentence should be il he should appear
within three mouths. But II the accused should not
present himself before the expiration Of the said three
months sentence Of deposition should be pronounced
against him; thus clearly Distinguishing between the
terms suspension" and deposition, or degradation,
latter, the gentleman had argued. II the word
pension and the sentence meant the same as in the
08nOO--u ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
necessary settle what 1t did His learned frisn
from Louisiana this view, and commended that tn 9
sentence was equivalent to degradation Nov what was
the effect Of the sentence upon Bishop Onderdonk? This
question he did not approach since Is had been ably
argued II was immatsrisl In what manner the bishop
got his Jurisdiction He had it. The practical ques
could lose it On this subject Blackstone laid
down the position that a bishopric could not be
three ways. lst Death I'd. Resignation Sd Depri.
vation by competent authority The frat was not ap
not applicable Bishop onderdopk had not resigned The
simple question then whether he was deprived Of
suspension, under their canon, do
prived him of Jurisdiction Admitting the argument Of
his friend from Louisana that jurisdiction belonged
ofce-if the office taken away forever the jurs
diction was taken away fit be according his
argument that God had Joined Jurisdiction and ONCE
then could not put them assunder His friend had
admitted this in the whole Of his araument that II the
Office be only suspended the Jurisdiction was only
pended 1.-THE Office and the juris fiction ndis
solubly connected, then that convention could
take from the bishop his jurisdiction than they could
take from him his house Suppose the sentence did not
take away his salary this house could not take away
Now what should be done II always the hardest
thing that could be done to advise q who in
state Of great anxiety to do nothing To do nothing
under such circumstances indeed, hard work But
the clergy Of the diocese of New York and others in
terssted in the had been praying for direction and
assistance they might expect relief Let them then sit
down and in the exercise Of true faith fold their
and wait on God. He would give them the peace which
they desired.
motion to adjourn was here made.
Before putting the question,
Hon Mr.. HUNTINGTON, Of Connecticut, moved that
the the resolutions Of the diocese of New York
be taken up tomorrow at two O'Clock.
The motion not being entertained, the house then ad
burned.
SIXTEENTH DAY.
Morning prayer read by the Rev. Dr. CLArp, of
Pennsylvania and the lessons Of the day by the Rev
DR. WATSON, Of New Jersey.
The minutes of yesterday proceedings were read and
approved
Leave of absence then granted to certain mem.
bers whose names reported by the Committee on
Elections and also to those who had left without
sultipg the committee
Rev DR. JARVIS, Chairman Of the Committee Ca
mons. reported drawn up In conformity with tn
request that the Of the church be amended
as to require that the testimonials Of bishop elect
should In all be submitted to the action Of the
standing committees OF the several doceses and In
that Of this house The ordered to be
printed.
Hon Mr.. NEWTON, OF Massachusetts, then offered the
following resolution, which was adopted
Resolved, That this house do proceed on Monday
next at IL O'clock to ballot for committee the part
Of this house. to act with committee the part Of the
House Of Bishops, to nominate Board Of Missions.
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