The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-22
The Protestant Episcopal Convention The
House OF Delegates.

The Protestant Episcopal Convention--The
House OF Delegates.
FOURTEENTH DAY.
After the usual preliminary religious services, the
minutes Of yesterdays proceedings read spd ap-
proved.
Mr. WHARTON would like to have his honorable COL
proposition not precisely the that Of the
canon proposed yesterday by the gentleman from Yer
mont! IL no. would 1t not be better to call the canonY
Mr. INGERsoLL replied in the affirmative.
Rev DR. FonBEs begged leave to bs allowed the prvi-
point of order here raised upon which the chair
stated that the minutes in and that the
position of the gsntlemsn from Maryland Judge Cham
bers) was properly before the house.
Am here received from the house of bishops
stating they had resolution that evidence of the
OF the missionary bishop Of the Terri
tory the Episcopate of Wisconsin having
fore them they concurrsd In the and gave it their
Re Also that this convention the house Of deputies CON-
curing would adjourn sine die on Wednesday, the 9th
Rev. DR.. FORBES then proceeded He thanked the
gentleman who spoke yesterday for bringing the Of
the diocese of New York directly before the house He
with him in regarding this matter the great
business before the convention lie to respond to
the proposition of the gentleman from Penn.
which would bring the question directly to vote The
diocese of New York felt that they in peculiarly
one to suppose that they could hit upon plan which
would the views Of ALL He submitted his PROPOSE
proposition and represented the views Of large
Der of the clergy Of the diocese Of New York He
had in the church three modes Of punishment
milton, suspension, and depreciation Degradation
qusstionaby stripped the bishop Of all his powers But
did suspension do the same? II they had two idsnti
cal modes Of punishment 1t contrary to all rules
of sense reason and law to have two Of
punishment precisely identical Suspension In very
term, he commended precuded the idea that 1t voided
Jurisdiction He knew that the ancient canon law of
thu church would brought to prove the CON
rel red 70 md tha Cant
canon law contemplated PerpetuH suspeasio amount
of New York was not vacant This being conceded
the sentence upon the bishop was null and void The
Court of Bishops simply declared him " suspended
without qualification or limitation Besides. removng
power existed He had been told that it was universal
law everywhere that such suspension without limita-
aware that he should be told that were cases in
modern times of suspension voiding jurisdiction Such
in the other case alluded to. The Bishop Of Rome
was source OF complete power. They had such
authority in the Episcopal Church Hence there was
analogy between In the church Of Rome and
the Episcopal church. He could bring forward abun.
dance Of Of suspension but they always quail
fed II cases should be- found apparently difficult he
apprehended that they would be found to be civil da
bities and penalties meaning not to degrade hut dis
place Office They had no such civil power in this
country He concluded therefore that there wers no
proper powers in this country which could pronounce
such sentence as had been upon the Bish
had seen fit, notwithstanding the sentence which
had been passed upon him to continue in the full
would have supported him in doing. The point to
which he desired bring the matter was this-that II
proposition nigh. possibly meet the diaicunv He He
would state It, IL that In the present ard in
nn future cases OF IKE nature-cases OF suspension
limited by tme aud independent upon any condition
such suspension should expire after period of three
at tne meeting Of the general convention next
subsequent to the passing Of said sentence He would
not be the instrument Of bringing before tho house such
proposition if he did not believe It to be lust and an
pcable to all which might arise in after time
Was not three years. suspension long enouch Susnen
sion intended not to degrade but To reform the
Such being its object, he eontended that three
years we're long enough Long enough for humiliation
aud repentance t long enough for auv man 10 en-
dure such weight Of shame and degradation 1t was
long enough for any in this short life of theirs ca
pecially for in the decline Of his years The props.
sition had the sanction of the ancient church. and he
New York aud their suffering bishop He knew that
said their confidence in the bishop was gone and
that his Influence destroyed He was not among
those who believed the bishop nnoccnt but he must be-
guided by some principle and he could find no better
princp, to guide him than that Of the church to which
he belonged The latter clause Of his proposition
introduced rs q conciatory measure He would only
before reading the proposition it to the favor
then read as follows:
Resolved the sense Of this house. that In all cases
OF sentence OF suspension from the office Of bishop
from the performances of any episcopal ministerial
dutyf the Judgment order of the court tribunal
does not appoint time, specify conditions for the
termination OF the suspension, 1t shall well Ia the
any sentence at present force the case
Of al future sentences be deemed and taken continue
to the end of the session the general convention next
after passing the same, and no longer Provided That
majority OF the convention OF the diocese of said
pended bshop shall not at the first ensuing session of
that body disagree to and dissent from the exercise by
such bishop of his episcopal duties within said diocese
Rev DR.. HAWKS rose to a question OF order. He
wished to know whether ANYTHING was before house.
He feared their business had become confused They
had less than four papers now before them In the
first place they had the abstract proposition Of the
tleman from Pennsylvania secondly, they had amend
ments to that proposition. offered by the gentleman
from Maryland; thirdly, they had a canon from the
hon. gentleman from Pennsylvania; aud fourthly,
canon from the gentleman from New York Which of
these propositions, he would ask was now before the
house?
The Cu.a decided that the substitute of the gentle
Marylsdd before the house. and that the
house had allowed the other papers to be read for their
information.
Dr. FoRpEs explained his understanding Of the case
lie REGARDED his proposition as substitute to the
proposition Of the gentleman from Maryland, which had
been offered az amendment.
Rev DR. HAwKs.-As n substitute!
DR. FnRBEs.-As an amendment to the proposition Of
the gentleman from Pennsylvania.
The CHAIR .aid they could not entertain two subst
tutes to the same propositions
Judge CHAMBERS was willing to have his proposition
consleredas an amendment
Mr. MEMSorR was jealous Of the rights Of the house,
and ex planned his view Of the matter
Hon. MIR RIvss thought It MISTER Of tech
ncay When they to vote, all these questions Of
presidency would he satisfactorily disposed of
At the request OF Mr. DELASo Of Ohio, DR.. Forbes
then Withdrew his proposition for the prese to enable
the DR. to the following amendment to the pro-
position previously fore thu house,
WHEREAS n canonicay constituted Court Of Bishops
Of the Protestant Episcopal church convened under the
authority Of canon H. 1914 Of general convention of
eaii church for the trial of the Rt Rev. Benjamin r
Onderdook than bishop Of the diocese Of New York,
upon certain charges and specifications duly and
neay made and presented did upon the third day Of
Jauary 1915 find the said accused guilty of certain
charges contained in said
and whereas, said Court Of Bishops, the day
last aforesaid did determine that the sentence Of
Suspension should be pronounced against such accused
in the fo'lowug words to wit :'tis hereby ordered
and dclpred that the sentence OF this court the
respondent Is susoension from the ONCE OF bishop In
tho church Of God and from all the functions OF the
cred ministry; md this court do hereby soemnly pro-
nourc~ aud declare that the Rt. v Benjamin Tread
vii Onderdonk Is suspended rom all exercise OF his
Epi scops, and ministerial functions Therefore,
Rsseiged That tho Episcopal connection between the
Rt Rev r Onderdonk and the diocese OF New York,
by the presentnent, trial. conviction ard sentence
aforesaid Dissolved and Of right said diocese may
proceed TO elect bishop.
Rev DR. FoRpEs then renewed his proposition as q
substitute for the whole matter.
Mr. DgLANo then withdrew his proposition for the pre-
sent with the view Of renewing IL different shape
A motion then made to print all the propositions