The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1847-10-19

the testimoniaisl They were bound 10 40 somsth,ns
u they were bound TO abide by tbs testimonials, for
were they required TO ax their signatures to those tss
timon,sis before Almighty God Let them carry this
ordination Of priest and deacon Apply The nrinc,ns
In thscsse and they would find there wss DO sscuritv
persons In the OF the bishop Of Illinois ~ in H.
supposed they not only had right to look behind
so. They were bound to act upon their own rsspous
bity II they were required to Judge OF the csrtid
oamstsnces Mr. = proceeded to show that they we're
bound protect the rights Of the diocese The Ian
Of b the ID: Of M s
threat-such threat as no bishop had right TO make
Where such anguag: was used ne commanded that they
After further discussion by Judge Chambers and
Others Mr. Gallagher, Of Kentucky offered the follow
ing substitute for the resolution before the house
Resolved That all proceedings respecting the consscra
Grafton OF said bishop be suspended until future CON-
venton Of the diocese Of Illinois shall declare their
Mr.. GALLAonrR thought that this resolution would
conform to the wishes OF the delegates sm the diocese
Of Illinois, well the wishes OF that house, and he
believed that 1t would put stop to further debate.
Rev Dr. HAWKS offered the following a. substitute;
OF the Rev MIR Brtton as assistant bishop OF the do
of Illinois the usual canonica tesmoni. required
be signed by this house and the house Of bishops and
that this house be called upon BY docese to sign the
Judge CHAMBERS thought this the same a. the rssolu
tion first offered; but he would not detain the house
with any further remarks they wished to take vote
The chair decided that the substance Of the rssoIu-
ton Just offered by the delegate from Kentucky,
After further discussion on a point Of order,
Judge Ca nN, proceeded with his remsrks: He
present bishop of the diocese Illinois, to lead him TO
vote in favor or proceeding TO the An
distance than he would bs required travel in visit
ing his diocese and then preside at meeting and per-
ons n o sd ns
his faculties He believed thatt in the Of the
bishop Of Illinois, Of other diocese to make the
condition Of any member extremely uncomfortable to
say the least Under these the bishop,
acting as he had done, he considered 1t clear Of
dictaton The members Of the diocese Of Illinois
called upon to act in conformity with the bishops sic
colo, or be placed in extremely unpleasant clroum-
stances.
Mr.WM H. McFAuLArp of Virginia said there were two
objections One deficiency in technioslty and smother
nical objection has abandoned and he argued
show that ought be abandoned by what the gentle
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gard to the disability Of the bishop Of illinois. He
would ask whether each individual was to torn
opinion In opposition to the solemn declaration Of the
diocesan convention OF Illinois The next question II
the objection to signing the account Of
the manner ia which the election conducted and
this point he would beg all to remember that 10 grave
and important measure Is 1t intended to be said that
assertions Of one who conouSrsd in Are '. to b.
told that doceses are to be arragned en- the complaint
of an individual who concurred in all the proceedings
which he complains or! 1t has been alleged that
there had been deception-that the bishop had used
sired to know Il any charge Of the bishop attempting
undue influence has been made out. Is there
they submitted to It Where is tbs evidsncs In the
election Win the gentleman say that his brethren and
to- the the
believe the diocesan Of Illinois would be capable OF mr.
forgetting his obligations and his duty to do than
indicate bis choice to the convention And TO
be- told that that this Ii 70 be objection 60 the seo
tion He could in the manner the gentle
house is called upon to assume that the bhop has bssa
guilty Of Debating simply because there was coanci
in the Of the convention and the wishes Of
diocesan Besides bishop presiding officer the
convention and will be said that 1t would be rregular
to be wondered ut that seat and part
in proceedings the body which he presidsd
1t has been said that II the election took place in the first
instance the in question would not have been
elected but that 1t until after the members had
conferred together and assembled again Ia the AFTER
that he was elected Is there any evidence Of die
tation In this case? Rather b there not strong proof
that there dictation used by the bishop Again,
election OF this sort had without intsrsncs,
less by the bishop and ut which there
dissatisfied persons. 1t is him that do
much under the influence Of its bishop that It
Is not prepared to override what bishop dictated He
trusted that, notwithstanding all that had been said
there is large majority in the house will sign the testi
monias He then spoke against the propristy OF send
ing this back convention OF Illinois, for to
do would be to strife and trouble into tho do
Of Illinois and struggles between the friends and
| opponents Of the bishop elect. ....
| Mr. CAMPBELL, Of Georgia, said that he was member
Of the committee the Of bishops and he
believed he spoke the sentiments Of the whole committee
when he states that he would be sorry any din
Guilty on the mere ground of technicsty. He then
lated the proceedings Of the committee this subject
and said the committee decided upon sending the matter
to the house He then went into the merits Of the
the view which the committee took Of them
and gave his opinion that the canon bearing the
question has not been strictly followed He concluded
by hoping that the motion TO refer the matter back
to the convention would be put ~ n test. ~
| Rev. MIR. neutrality-suspicious. have been thrown out,
that akhough elected assistant bishop,
able bishop fully able to perform his function Again
1t has been imputed to US that dictated to by
Bishop Chase and that unequivocslly denied In
/ haxy .taa. ..
that the bishop able to perform his duties II
could by water all the distance from part Of the
he has to go distances of hundreds OF miles By land
bad roads IL IL different manner. Again, In I'LL
nos to be sacrificed the door VI this convention be-
of the mpuaton of one Of the delsgates Are
to have forced US the extraordinary that
placed names to document testifying In the pre-
OF Almighty God that know Of impediment,
and that did not desire to do but that did
tho dcaton Of the bishop? In regard TO the sllu
sion to the bishops present appearance and his having
travelled sixteen or seventeen miles, to atts nd
to this convention evidence thnt because he has
been carried here by steamboat and raread car that
he Is abb. travel roads three deep across
prairies, In the summer with the thermometer In
tbs shade at 900! Ia It to be said that man who has
like Bishop Chase, spent lifetime In the Of the
church is to be deprived Of the assistance which he
qures, because Of the imputatons OF of dele
gates!
Rev. DR. HAWKS concurred in the opinion that the
diocese Of Illinois had nothing TO do with the mat
Let General CONVENTION meet the responsibility Of &C
ton, and not throw back upon the diocese He thank
ed the gentleman who had 40 ably vndicated the rights
OF presytrs but he hardly prepared to accept the
preferred protection under such humiliating oircum-
The clergy Of the diocese Of illinois were to be
represented q set Of infznte presbyters, with no
minds their own, bowling most humby at the feet Of
the bishop and servile seeking protection 81 the hands
Of the General Convention! DR. HAWKS spoke vt con-
length in glowing language In support Of his
resolution and ms he took his seattle hour for ad
ournment three o'clock having srved-the DRY for the
| question very general throughout the house.
Rev. DIR. Mason, OF Virginia. rose however, and ad-
dressed the chair
| The CHAM about to put the question.
| DIR. Mason inquired whether he had not the floor.
The CHAIR said he entitled to the floor II he In
| sisted on speaking
DR.. Mason said he would be concise possible, and
then proceeded to review the remarks Of previous
speakers and to expires. his views the question before
them being frequently interrupted In the Of his
remarks by the cry o" question:" question:
The substitute or the delegate from Kentucky
again read, when n deegats from Ohio called for the
vote by dloceses After oonsderable disc usaion