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Mr. AsHMuN declined.

ne uare not disclose, because he himself knows IN
| charge TO be untrue.
Mr.. w. HUNT interposed to order
And the Speaker enoined il. .. o.
| Mr.. ASHMUN. have made charge, and
propose 70 prove II by the Information 10 be devsl
oped Let gentlemen vote for the resolution, AM
they will see ... CO.. ....
Mr.. HOUSTON The gentleman may, 70
the gentleman from Pennsylvania, and any one In
the streets, and say thatf he intends to includ
the President, or the Secretary Of State, the charg'
is totally untrue, and am willing that any infor
nation he can call for should come
| Mr.. COBB took the floor.
| Mr. HOPKINS asked him to yield for a mo
Mr.. AsHMUN. Ihave the floor, and do no
yield il. .
The SPEAKER. The chair understood tn.
gentleman TO have yielded the floor z'i1a
Mr.. HOUSTON. The gentleman did yield it.
Mr.. ASHMUN said he had not yislded.
The SPEAKER. Z The gsntlssnsn from Gsorgi.
Mr.. Coss] Is entidedto the floor.
Mr.. COBB yielded 10
Mr.. HOPKINS, who said he would not detair
the House for more than a few moments. He
did not intend to enter into the controversy but he
wished to make single remark on the point Of or
der, The gentleman from Massachusetts lMr
AsHnUs,l who had taken the appeal, had thought
proper to refer 70 the Manual, and had read an
extinct, which, with great Difference TO the opinion
Of the gentleman, he (Mr. H. submitted, had
nothing whatever TO do with the question Of order.
The question OF order arose, not under the Manual.
but under arbitrary rule Of this House, which,
in this particular, modified and changed the Man
ual, and became the fixed law Of the House. He
granted that in a case like that in the Manual il
il depended on that, the gentleman would be right.
But the case in the Manual was not embraced in the
question here. The Manual said:
"If an amendment be proposed inconsistent with
one already agreed 10, il is fl ground for its re-
lection by the House; but not within the compe-
tence of the Speaker to suppress il it against
order"
Now, under the 55th rule of the House, (Which
had been read by the Speaker,) the question was
whether the amendment proposed by the gentleman
from Massachusetts,, Mr.. AsHMUS,l was a differ.
ent proposition from that offered by the gentleman
from Virginia, Mr.. BArLr.l On that point there
could be no doubt. As the Speaker had very prop.
erIy said the resolution of the gentleman from Viz
gina called for copies of papers; the amendment
the gentleman himself admitted was a call for in
formation to Impeach the Secretary Of State. IL had
no connexion at all with the other subject.
Mr. ASHMUN. Will the gentleman allow me
to explain
Mr. HOPKINS Yielding
Mr. ASH NUN said it is not my object to i'm
peach the Secretary of State. You will bear me
witness that yesterday member from the State of
Pennsylvania said that he had personal knowledge
of the improper use Of this fund By this in
quiry, ask how the gentleman got his inform ation
whether wrongfIlly, or whether the Secretary of
State permitted him to get il
Mr. HOPKINS. | am not complaining of the
call. The gentleman has a right to make il. But
that is not the question. Does the gentlemans call
embrace information Of the kind contemplated by
the resolution OF the gentleman from Virginia. II
seems to me there is no affinity between the two.
Mr.. COBB. The question or order does not me-
cessarily involve the merits Of the resolution pro-
posed by the gentleman from Massachusetts. IT. at
a proper time, the gentleman shall think proper TO
Introduce resolution OF that kind, and 10 sustain
II by such personal charges on his part as will au-
thor'ze Its adoption, 1t will be time enough to
slider the matter. The only question now before us
Is on the point Of order. 1t is not necessary de-
tain the House with debate on that matter. And
! move that the appeal be laid on the table.
Mr.. ASHMUN asked the yeas and nays on the
appeal; which were ordered, and being taken, re-
suited as follows:
YEAs-Messrs. Stephen Adams, Anderson, Atkinson
Bayly, Benton, Biggs, ]. Black j. A. Black. Bowlin
Brodhead, Vim. @. Brown, Burt Cathcart
ham Daniel J. Davis De Mott Dillingham;, Dobbin, Dun
lap Ellsworth ETdman Faran Foster Gervn, Giles, Good
Hubbard. Hungerford James B. Hunt Hunter, jenkins.
James IL; Johnson, Joseph johnson, Andrew Johnson
La sere Lyon Iunpkn Maei sson Mecis.n e
Clelland, McCernand Mcdonnell j. j. Mcdowell, James
ris Morse Niren, Norris, Owen Payne, Prize. Rsthbun
Reid, Ritter Roberts sawtelle Sawyer, scammon, SEED
startweaher St John, Strong Sykes, Thomasson, James
Thompson, Jacob Thompson, Thurman, Tibbats, Tired
way, wentworth, Wheaton. Wick Williams, Wlmot,
Wood, Woodward Yancey, and Yell-lO5.
NAYs-Messrs. Abbott, John Q. Adams, Arnold, Ash.
Campbell John g. Chapman, Cooke Colamer, Cranston,
Crozer Culver Garrett Davis Dixon, Dockery, Drop.
HpeT H Be- GTbaT G Hhaen
Washington Hunt Charles Ingersoll Joseph r. Inger.
s ms:tsa o Es
lock- Ramsey; Julius Rockwell, John 4. Rockwell, Root
6sss ss SD Al
Vinon, White, Winthrop, and Young-8l
So the House affirmed the decision of the Speak
And the amendment of Mr.. AsHMUN was declared
to be out of order.
Whereupon the question REQUIRED on the adoption
of the resolution of Mr.. RAYLY.
Mr.. RAYLY demanded the previous question.
Mr.. SCHENCK asked Mr.. B. to Withdraw the
demand, to enable him (Mr. 81 to offer an amend
ment, as he was understood to say.
The demand was not Withdrawn.
And the question being taken thereon the vote
stood, ayes 80, noes IS.
So there was second
The main question was then ordered; and being
taken, the resolution was adopted.
SENATOR WEBSTER.
Mr.. DANIEL rose and addressed the chair
hr. LAWN iose, TIC saiu, " privileged quea-
ton. He moved that the vote by which the reso.
luton calling for certain information in relation to
senator WEBSTER, had yesterday been adopted be
reconsidered.
A conversation followed on one or two subordi-
dnate points Of order, nfter which
Mr.. McCLELLAND raised the point of order,
that the resolution had gone to the President Of the
United States that 1t had passed from under the
control of this House, and that therefore, motion
to reconsider was not IN order.
The SPEAKER. The chair is not apprised Of
what the actual condition Of the matter is.
Mr. McCLELLAND. | ask the clerk through
the Speaker, whether the fact Is not have stated
that the resolution has gone to the President?
The SPEAKER. The Chair is informed that
such is the fact.
Mr.. McCLELLAND. Then call the attention
Of the Speaker to a fact Of which | suppose he is
aware, that this very question was raised during the
last Congress. A bill or resolution was passed and
sent to the Senate. The next morning motion was
made TO reconsider the vote. The chair said that
The motion was out Of order because the bill or res
oluton had passed from under the jurisdiction Of
The House A motion was then made that mes
senger be sent to the Senate to obtain possession Of
the bill or resolution that the motion 10 recon-