The daily union. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1845-1857, 1846-02-09

Mr. PAYNE inquired Of the chair, what It's de-
esion wasl i
The SPEAKER That it requires two-third. to
suspend the rule.
Mr. PAYNE asked for the reading Of the rule
The SPEAKER said il had been read, and the
chair had given its decision; but the rule could be
read again II no objeetioa made.
And It was read .....r .r|r.s d
Mr.. PAYNE said there was another rule, which
read as follows; "
Of tho motion therefor"
The SPEAKER. The chair is aware of the rule;
but has decided that two.thrds may suspend that
or any other rule. 0
Mi. PAYNE. Iappeal from the decision. Can
debate iR ...
The SPEAKER. No. The chair will call the
gentleman's attention To another rIe--(i. e., thai
which provides that no debate shall be entertained
after demand for the previous question.)
Mr.. PAYNE. Well, then, without debate sp.
peal from the decision Of the chair, and | demand
the yeas und Maya, (Which were reGused.)
The SPEAKER stated the point Of order and his
decision
And thereupon tho question, " Shall the decision
OF the chair stand as the judgment Of the House !"
was taken, and decided in the affirmative.
| So the decision of the chair was affirmed.
And the question then recurring on the demand
for the previous question, ...
not at liberty TO modify his notion
| The SPEAKER said, yes, at any time before the
demand Tor the previous question had been seconded
Whereupon Mr.. lNGERSoLL so modified his
motion as To suspend the rule until tomorrow at 3
o'clock.
Mr. BOYD. If in order, move to SUSPEND the
rules that the House may resolve itself toto Com
mittee Of The Whole on the state Of the Union.
| The SPEAKER, There is already a motion
pending to suspend the rules; and two motions TO
that effect cannot be entertained at the same time.
| The SPEAKER was about to put the question.
| MIR. ASHMUN wanted To know what il WASH
| The SPEAKER. II is on the motion of the gentle
man from Pennsylvania, Mr.. C, J. EoERsoLL, that
the rule limiting the debate to hour be suspend
ed until tomorrow at O'Clock.
And the question being taken on the demand for
the previous question, the affirmative vote was
nouneed as ZIG.
| Pending the negative vote
Mr.. SCHENCk rose to inquire whether, even fths
hour-rule should be suspended the mittee would
not, when the hour OF 3 arrived, lie compelled TO
vote, in pursuance Of the order which the House
had adopted
The SPEAKER. That is question for the
chairman Of the committee, not for the Speaker to
decide.
The negative vote was "giyen up"
So there a second TO the demand for the pre-
| yious question,
And the main question ordered to be now
| taken.
Mr. BOYD demanded the years and nays which
| were ordered.
And the question, 'Shall the rule be suspendedi'
was taken, and decided as follows:
| YEAs--Msssrs. Abbott, Arnold, Ashnun. Baker Blan
shnrd' William O. Brown Burlington, William w Camp
bell 10nT y Campbell GsthSst' Collin Cgom sai
man, Fsnn GarSin, Giddugs; Grinnell Hamln, Henley
as Sn Hiisrd Ella, b hSlmG; hOSEh saTl
grnoll, jenkins. James II. Johnson Andrew Johnson
Kennedy Daniel ?. King Lewis, MCLEAN MeGsughsy
en-. Petit Phelps Price Ramsey Ritter, Julius Rock
vel ESGa ssanm15 ss,sr.nse LsSnsri Sims, Caleb
asson, Tilden, Wentworth, White, wmot Yell, and
NAYs-Msssrs stephen Adams, Anderson. All inson
Barringer Bayly Bednger Bell, Benton, Biggs James
Black, James Black Bowlin Boyd, Brinksrhoh Brock
| man, Augustus A Chapman, Reuben Chapman, Chase,
WIS., piiinshsT spoSGn pecksry; Dunlap Es;aii Els.
o:ng s%s Ssr Doing
Grover. Hampton Harrison, Harnanson Harper, Hoge,
aaa JAIME. Hunt JSsesh nao
seph Johnson George W. Jones. Preston King, Thomas
ap .y h1
Henry Marsh, John ? Martin MoSltsn, Niyin Parish
Rss' Rse John a Rockwell RUnE Rasss ss s
teile Sawyer, schenck Seaman Seldom, Alexander D.
Smith starSweaser, stephens, strohm. strong, TSSo
desux James Thompson, Jacob Thompson Thurman
vinton, wheaton, Williams woodruff woodward wright
| Yancey, andYoung-l2e. =.
| SO the rule was not suspended.
On motion of Mr.. B0WLIN, the House again
resolved itself into Committee of the Whole on the
state Of the Union, Mr.. TiBpArTs in the chair, }
and resumed the consideration of the joint resolution
of notice, and of the amendments thereto pending
| Mr.. HARRISON then addressed the committee
| lin remarks Of which report is, from the necess-
ty Of the case, posponed) in favor Of the notice.
| Mr.. C. J. INGERSOLL having obtained the
| floor, addressed the committee.
After eighty ninety speeches on this subject, he
said it would not be necessary for him TO occupy
much of the time of the committee. He deferred 80
much to the opinions of others who had preceded
him, that he scarcely thought it necessary to add
anything to what they had said; though, acting as
| the organ Of the Committee on Foreign Affairs it
| was a matter Of perfect indifference to him what
form might be given to the notice. But it was ne
cessary that the notice should be given for the reason
that Great Britain had complete possession Of por-
ton of the territory of Oregon, and had expelled
| every American adventurer from it, had been
| stated by number of British authorities.
II was so stated in the article in the Edinburgh
Review on this subject in July last. 1t had also
been stated on the best authority that the value of
the timber trade in north Oregon hod been half
million year. We had thus by leaving Great
Britain in possession of the territory for thirty
years, given TO her fifteen millions. We had given
to Great Britain fifteen millions TO expel us from
Oregon, the same sum which we had given for
about the notice, but pass TO some of the corola-
ries ofthe problem which, perhaps, it might be ne
| cessary and proper to notice, particularly as they
had great influence on the public mind.
| He would speak first Of the peculiar aspect of this
question it affected the American nation; and next,
OF the aspect which it had in respect to our foreign
relations Everywhere but in this country war was
an executive measure; but here it could only be de-
cared by act of Congress- but territorial treaties
were the subject of legislation in every country
where there il representative government. In
England in France, and even in Germany, accord
| ing to Mr. Wheaton's work, no territorial change
could be made by treaty in that government with,
out the assent Of the whole sovereignty
| Entertaining this opinion when the Texas ques-
ton was before the House, he bad venured to sug-
gest the Secretary Of State that Texas could not
DO annexed by the treaty making power, and
that must be done by legislation. Il had appeared
that this the opinion Of the President who had
therefore submitted the question to Congress; and
the vote in the Senate in support Of MIR. WEBSTER