The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1846-04-29

to order. Gentlemen will b good enough totaks ths
Mr.. PEKDLxror- What win be the effect II withdraw
my proposition to suspend the rules
The SPEAKER-The gentleman from Massachusett
cannot proceed hut by unanimous consent
Mr. McKAY-I hspc the Iicuss win give its unanimou
consent
The Observation-Disclosures will take their seats.
Tho question was taken and the House Suspended the
The srEAKER-The rules are suspended. IA voice
" Now for Ashmun."l
Mr. AsHMvN-I was very confident sir, that
Mr. HUsTER Tising)-Will the gentleman from MAJ
sachuses permit me to ask the gentleman from Penn
sylvania q question:
Mr. AsHsus, giving way) Certainly, sir.
Mr.. HUNrER-I would ask the gentleman from Penn
sylvania whether he received his information from Mr.
Trist the chief clerk Of the State Department
Mr. INcERsoLL-I said formerly that did not.
Mr.. BArLr-will the gecteman from Massachusett
permit me to ask the gentleman from Pennsylvania
question
Mr. AsHMUN-Certainly.
imputation ex President Tyler with regard to thi
fund. Did understand him correctly
Mr.. INos nodded assent.
The SPEAKER Gentlemen will como to order
After the burning somewhat ceased,
Mr.. AsHMUN-I was confident that would not be pre-
cluded from replying to the member from lvana
after the deliberate oloody ebu.ions OF the member
The srEAKss (intei ruptng him) The gentlemen will
avoid personality The gentleman from Pennsylvania
would have been held to the same responsibility.
Mr.. AsHmuN II suppose it was in order for the mem
Der from Pennsylvania lavish all sorts Of abuse on a
absent Senator By name yet it not strictly parlamsn
Tho SrEAKER-The chair has no power over absen
gentlemen but he has gentlemen present. and vii
exercise it, "A Voice" That's the talk"l
MAssAcHusErEs THE FIELD
Mr. AsHMur-l was certain, after tho repeated and
premeditated assault by a member Of this House on
q distinguished statesman Of the other branch, that
reply. think the House, and the nation, are
not only surprised but mortified at the proceed.
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guilty of occasional violation of good taste and good
manners; and think OF late that gross offence has
is matter Of asonishm ent that member long in pub
lie life and who had right to know what reputation it,
should again and sgan endeavor to destroy that fame
ted States-the fame Of MIR Webster. The gentleman
said that he came into public life thirty years ago and
received offence from Mr.. Webster However strong.
ly Mr. Webster may express himself, all his speeches
are free from personality do not believe he gave
personal offence to that gentleman to any other It
may perhops ranke in his bosom that Mr. Webster let
him alone being sufficiently acquainted with his char
of peace or war. when the gentleman was per.
mitted to make the closing speech, did he,
instead Of doing voluntarily and deliberately and
purposely, 60 cut Of his way to SANDER gentleman,
bring into the debate which had nothing to do
with it. and which had been proved to be false And
thirty years as public man. and the recollection, whe
he met Mr. Webster for the first time might have walked
reminiscence and warned him not to attack private
u
the highest patriotism Of intelligence and chivaTous
bearing from the State of New Jersey, (Mr Stockton
sylvania and the scarying process lis within the re-
of all who witnessed it, Tradition tells
Of the whitening, scahng and blasting effect of the
ply to the SANDER, and that the member left the hall
crying, like whipped child. wonder the lesson has
been forgotten And not only had the member :lan.
1ered Stockton but Chief Justice Marshall himself did
lot escape 1t seems, sir that age cannot improve in
his particular The member from Pennsylvania is now
he accuser Of and the witness against Mr. Webster and
70 knnyry heo n1oro
that the seal Of confidence is sacred for him
break even though called by this Houses but by
the secret archives brings forward his disclosures and
asks and the nation to believe their truth Who
the accuser and the witness On the 9th of February,
he made five or six charges against Mr. Webster in the
most imposing manner, and with soemnty pressed his
portant communications He said among other things
that Mr. Webster had written letter marke private
and sent 1t by express, and paid 5000 for gentleman
10 appear for Mcleod. This charge had been proved
false is true private letter was sent, bnt net by
express.
MIR INaERsnLL lin his ssat) II did not say 80.
Mr. AsHMur.-I have it here. in paper-the Union.
Mr. iSoERsoLL-Its not right.
Mr. AsHMuN Il recolloct tha member made use of the
words sent by express" Is 1t to be supposed that the
reporters come here and fslsy what the members say
The member did say that five thousand dollars were put
the hands Of the District Attorney IL not that false
Mr. IHoERsoLL.-Iti 10 true.
Mr.. AsHMuN The gentleman himself proved this
alse this morning
Mr.. ISoREsoLL Tin his seat made reply, not heard to
he reporter to which
Mr.. AaHMus rssponded-I Put it to the honest sense
about minister to England to settle the Oregon ques
ion. ! think the "a 40 men would have been glad il
ster and the journal did say letter was written
to the Committee on Foreign Affairs for this purpose
50 far as that goes give the member credit
dote An Indian came to farmers house, and asked
for something to drink The farmer being Grabbed and
with tree in it, deer was feeding, and il he would
give him the drink, he would communicatehe Informs
ton The farmer gave him the drink, and went in
search of the game He found the and the creek,
but no deer The farmer returned in anger and called
the ndian to account. Why" said the Indian did
told two truths and only only le and that's pretty
good for Indian" [Lsughterl.
Mr. MARTIN, of Tennessee. raised question whether
he gentleman was strictly in order.
The SPEAKER said this matter Of great difficulty
or the chair but was his opinion that the gentleman
was In order The House had SUI pended all rules.
Mr.. AsHMvN resumed. The member said he went to
he State Department for item of information and in
lis search he fell upon something more. II was very
NATURAL If he has tree that he should 60 there.
He was but following out the bent of his inclination in
making an efsrt to got information. By what means,
oul or fair has this pretended information been extract
ID from the secret archives OF the State Department
The House made solemn call the President to fur.
nsh with certain information the President refused
10 communicate the information 1.-The Presid said the
Law imposes on mo duty not to divulge anything
there-there is a seal Of confidence cannot break.
And yet the member from Pennsylvania comes here,
with bOdness, and says he has been there and knows
hat is there and has information which the President
cannot communicate TO this House. i want to know
how he got there The President says there seal of
confidence. Who broke it have no idea any honor
able man had any thing to do with it. Did any subord
nate break the sea Who furnished the key did the
member take one from his own pocket He exempts
Mr.. Trst Who then 10 the guilty one1 If he does not
tell the responsibility will rest him that he broke in
where he ought not to have gone Has any clerk been
driven cut Tor revealing the sscrets7 Who assisted
The responsibility is on himself. He has broken in
where the President says there is sacred SEAL and
where he had no right to CO. The member remarks the
fund was in the hands Of the clerk Was the clerk1
The member says he stumbled the information. I
cannot help thinking Of felonousy breaking into
house, and gasping at things which do belong to
him
Mr.. CHIrMAr raised point of order-of irrelevancy.
The SPEAKER said the House had suspended all rules
and 1t was for them to permit the gentleman to rocesd
not.
ffMr. AsHMuN resumed-The member having spoken Of
having stumbled the information, was only repeat
ing 1t little more graphically, and was going to illus
trste 1t. [Laughtsrl
Two or three gentlemen rosc to order.
Mr. AsHMur-Is my tims-ny hour-gong on
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