Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1846-04-20
NUMBER SO.
Interesting and Pi...., Debate.

We inserted yesterday brief abstract % the important
proceedings OF the Senate las, Thur.day, in which
embodied the preamble and adopted by body
on the oregon Question Previous its sdopon Mr. Al
I'm hrs Withdrawing the resolution originally presented
by him the organ OF the Committee on Foreisn Rs,,
tons submitted the resolution which had received the
uon Of the House Of Representatives To this Mr. John
s'on OF Maryland offered substitute Mr.. Cttenden's
resolution. which. after unavsing efforts amend it,
was adopted by yeas and nays, follows;
YEAs-Messr. Archer Barrow. Bsrren Calhoun
Thos Clayton, J. VI. Clayton Corwin Crittenden DAVIS.
Dayton. Evans Greene. Haywood Huntindon, Jarnasn
Johnson Of Maryland, Johnson Of Louisiana Lewis. Me.
Dune. Mangum. Miller, Morehesd Pesree. Phelps, SIM
mons, sPeight, Upham, Webster, WeSicot, Woodbridge
30.
NAYS-Mes.rs. Allen. Ashley A,ch.on. Anterior.
Bagby, Benton, Breeze Bright Cameron Ca.s ChsImer.
Dickinson. Dix, Fairfield, flanagan Houston, Jenue..
ney-2t.
SO the amendment adopted.
Mr.. ALLEN then rose and said We now conn. ,o ,h.
main point IN the controversy which we are REQUIRED to
do moral act, and upon which welfare Of III,
country rests and IN doing this act, FOR myself shall
with reference to oil its relations present and remote
may be involved in it, AT opening Of this session Of
Congress the President made the distinct declaration that
he did not anticipate proposition from Great Britain
and advised Congress put end to the existing
in order TO extend laws citizens there call
was made upon the President recently know what
the state OF negotiations upon the subject and answerto
that call the President has informed no correspon
dence has taken place between the Goyernme since
congress
stands the submitted amendment TO the peam-
bic IN the language OF the Presidents recommended
non to us declara,oy Of the duty Of this Government
tend Its laws over the citizens who Oregon or
who may 90 there hereafter and with view of securing
our uue To the territory That prspos ton was voted down.
and this much Of the Presidents message dsapproved
OF upon solemn call for the yeas and nays And notwh
standing that call OF the President upon propose now
TO pass resolution addressing advice him with regard 20
the manner in which he is exercise the tymaking
power; because this preamble is addressed somebody IL
Is either addressed to the President OF United States or
1t is addressed to Great Britain: it thing totally gratn
ous; thing which has effect law making measure:
out IT'S thing which is done with OF producing
moral effect upon Of sting authority either The
President or the Government Of Great Britain. IT address,
ed To the PRESIDENT tits IN reference The in which
he shall exercise the treaty making power such ought
Ia have been addressed him BY two-thrds of
tue Senate IN Executive session acting in their eay-mak
ing eharaeter addressed 10 Great Britain. IL is huma
uon; 1t IL a;temptt hold foreign Gov
ernmen not through the appointed Of intercourse
but through the Legislature. Ii attempt sneak he
hind the President and through him the constituted
organ appointed speak behalf Of the nation What
was this preamble intended for OF two OBJ
ects On its face II Processes speak both the Execu
tive OF this Government and Great Britain And 10 ,hi.
extent II is in utter violation Of the rights and duties of the
Government The President asks you pass laws in re-
gard to the territory of Oregon you answer him by nd
vsng him 10 negotiate when he tells you negotiation at
an end Well before this thing have any effect in
binding the President it have vote Of two-thrts of
the senate acting consutuuoualy, and such being ent
ued to be heard
Now, cir have heard this discussion many remarks
maue ABOUT Tue interference OF Congress the
ueaiymakng power It is said Congress ought to III
teere; that II power entrusted by the Constitution to
two-thds OF the Senate in conjunction the President
elected by the Of the people The right Of Congress
of the people NEEDLE with the matter has been ds
pued 1 do not dispute it; but | call upon the Senate
when they come TO advise be President do in their
Executive character and by vote Of and nor
! by legislative
But, sur the preamble adopted is utterly inconsi.-
tent with the object of the resolution elf The resolu
uon as Just adopted leaves II the discretion Of the Pre-
siden whether he will give notice or not; while the
preamble tells him TO go The preamble specifies tho
which the resolution l. redieaed and VET nor
withsanding this the resolution leaves the whole matter To
the Executive. Sir this question OF discretionary power
raised elsewhere; said that giving President
discretionary power to give the notice s else than
entrustng him with the wat-making power. We decline
the responsibility Of giving the ourselves; we decline
the responsibility, we evade the danger, say the
President we leave the whole matter with you although
the President in his message referred the whole matter to
But do choose incur any responsibility i'm
the matter Sir, will 60 the general discussion
Of this subject but will say that after so overwhelming
in the House of Representatives, after an unanim
unparalleled upon any question, seemed me that the
consideration which due that great organ OF the uopu
lar will ought TO have induced adopt the resolution OF
toe House. How will 1t be now, when you send all this
back 10 the House, with preamble containing half do
principles and resolution changed in its rhola
character from that Of the House. containing
which have been already voted down the House What
will be the consequence Why you will reopen the discus
son make issue between the Houses Congre.s
against the other and the aspectofa divided
Congress The House has done an act: the Senate h,.
repudatsd that act, and all desire unnnini-
~. sir IL Is utter Of unanmity BY keepng on,
House arrayed against the other and both Houses agausr
the President, will be the IL this resolution he aSon
ed. There Senators who say they blame Inc Pre-
sdent for sending the question Congress- who say that
in dong the President committed act OF indiscre
hon and they only for public good and
not from any feeling OF hostility the President And
what do they dot Why they throw the whole subject
back 10 the President be managed in future according
to his discretion although after having condemned him for
want OF discretion in his past management The Pre,
will hebi
bush. have doubt the President will take the re.pou
siby which sought to be imposed him. Bot that is
FOR the peace Of country shoold be in
yoiyed, for declining s the responsibility which ought mo-
perry TO rest upon shoulders for the purpose strength
ening the position OF the Government.
For these reasons and with tho nope tina this matter NAV
De put in better shape and that House may oord us
opportunity Of amending what we have done took the
responsibility OF young against the resolution. sni would
take the responsibility stood alone. reeoect that on
another occasion, few stood alone and upon
this would stard Alone and die upon IL alone rothsr Than
pass act diminishing the country. Sir il will pro-
duce contest between the two Houses, thing that we
have all alone desired avoid; because from the begin
ming to the end body has conceded moral power
OF our position consisted Of counsel our stan
ding shou derto shoulders yet vote in the House
oiRePresenayes BODY directly amenaing from the mass
Of the PeoPe' say SIR, after large hua voio
70 such astonishing under the peeu-
mar efeumsness attending the organization OF that House
sitter such VOTE did think Senate ought 10 somo
extent TO defer to the moral inhuenee Of that think
the Senate had passed the House resolutions and hsd
presented the moral spectacle the world OF United Con-
gress sustaining the President the choice Of tho people
that We would have presented moral force Great Br-
tin that would have made Power fatsr before she do
TRIMMED % bring this controversy the ahitrament Of tho
sword But as what will be the substance II the dss
patches that will 20 TO England by the seamer7 IL
will Dc "tod hold your pcson prepare vour guns:
announce your readiness for war tho divisions srssdy
manifested IN America will be increased their fears Of war
val be increased BY your threats and last her Msssys
Government may the whole Of Orcgonr These hopes
will induce the British Government pr5tract tho nsxo
uauous; they will be willing 10 bring them 70
conclusion th1n before they will say there the whole
commercial interest Of America clsmong against var
under any circumstances; hey will say here of the
Senate M favor ola preamble nstructng the President
open negotiations sgain ard they will Observe part
Of the resolution declining the part Of the Senate, 70
take the responsibility Of positive
The Senate does say they the treaty ssdsJ
No r ihcy want neRouahon bargain traffic 10 proceed.
bot they have not declared hs the convention shall end
That Of The The President tod Ne he had