New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1846-06-25


The Repor, OF the ScHENcK Committee On the
WEBSTER and IsoERsoLL Controversy has been
published
The Committee were appointed to investigate
ihow Mr.. IseERsoLL came 10 be permitted to examine
The Score, Papers of the State Department which
s,be Presiden, had refused to communicate TO the
House.
The Comni,tee agreed to submit The evidence
without advising any action. They asked that the
Testimony printed and that copies be furnished TO the
rresden, and Secretary Of State the evidence inpli
lces some Of the Officers OF the State Department The
icommit,ee unanimous their Report. 1t consists
if three Wings Iessrs ScHEScI of Ohio, McLvASE Of
Ira and ROCKWELL Of CT and Loco Focos (Messrs,
IpopBIx of y. c. and STANTON OF Tennesseei
The Committee met first April 80 and agreed 10 ask Mr..
IxcERsoLL TO state the facts relating the In
/ which he obtained tho information TO the House.
| They next met May j,-Receiyed letter from Mr. l.
laeclnin make any statement. The Chairman was
iiered 10 ask Mr. POLK for any information lie might have
Hon the subject EeSsrs BucHASkS TRIsT and STUBBs Of
lhe state Department, were summoned Mr. IScERsoLL
Twas invited to attend lie investigation.
Jfay 7Mr. IEGERsoLL present. Letter read from the
president stating that the information was received with
lppt his knowledge assent Mr.. BUCHANAN appeared
and was sworwas absent In Lancaster from March 3st
10 April lt-knows netting Of the manner in which Dir.
obtained the information, first learned the fact from the
Debates in Congress. which were received In Lancaster
while was there Thinks members OF Congress not
permitted to examine papers in the Department, or make
EXTRACTS without order from the Chief Clerk or The
Secretary OF State EDWARD STCBBs keeps the papers,
The occounts private their character and ought
treated BY the Department The fund known as the
Secret Service Fand, Is drawn from the Treasury by or
der Of the President the commentator OF the Secre-
tuy Of state 1t is used dcfray Expenses of Confde
,Isl Agents Bearers of Dispatches &c. The
seed by the Disturbing Agent on The production of the
IL SaTr
since the beginning Of JACTsoSs Administration with the
exception of Mr. TYERs. The Third Section of the Act
Of 1910 makes the President tho Exclusive Auditor. His
certificate is sufficient voucher. The vouchers and evil
dence belong TO the President.
| Rfay 9-N. r. TRIsT Chief Clerk of the Department
of State appeared and testified Has been twice Acting
Secretary OF State. The last time was during Mr. b.
cHANANs visit to Lancaster as above During this time
Mr. ISGERsoLL came to him. Mr.. !. found paper in
Mr. SruBBss possession. OF which he asked Mr.. TRIsr
for copy. Mr.. T. expressed doubt OF the proprety
of this without consulting the President 20 this Mr.. L.
agreed, but took copy merely for himself, which
Mr. T. agreed to- Excuses himself for want Of thorough
acquaintance with the connection OF certain papers with
the Presidents certificates not very certain about the
exact order of The conversations with Mr. lNGERsoLL.
! May ll-Mr TRIsT employed with pressing engage.
ments Excused till the following day.
Nav l2--NIr TRiST coptnued-Thinks Mr.. 1. got the
copy the paper April sth the day before he intro
duc.d his Resolution calling the President for copies Of
any papers He had several times converscd with
Mr. STUBbs but statement OF what passed between them
would form historyuc did not intend that Mr. should
be permitted by Mr. STUBBs to examine the books The
that the person asking for information was Chairman
OF the Committee Foreign Relations would make him
more willing TO communicate information Eeins asked
heler he would permit eventbe Chairman Of that Com
take copies Of papers relong 10 the Secret Ser
vice Money he replied:
Wiih the knowledge which now possess regard TO
tho nature contingent fund for foreign intercourse
regard the law respecting secret expenditures OF
that fluid should deem imperative upon me 10 refuse
all information the subject of such expenditure Of
that fund.- whether under the existing or any previous Adj
mustraon b. sr0psoerer applied for. 1t Is subject on
which ercep he President has any right to impart
whether copfdentsy otherwise sny information which
he ray possess II belongs to the President exclusively,
and Goes not constitute part Of the business OF the De-
parment Of State and from DE Department no one could,
sriA roprsy be furnished 'ci either copies or infora-
zion. innatioR concerning a.,
May l4-Mr. SrrBps testified He appointed clerk
in the State Department in May 1922 Has dIsbur
ing agent since 1891 He SAYS To the extent that the
fund for contingent expenses of foreign intercourse is
placed In hands for disbursement keep accounts OF
itsexpendure The vouchers remain nmy possession Only
until render to the Treasury In ease OF nd
vances made by accounts yet unsettled. have IN
charge the receipts and orders on which such advances
were made All vouchers. receipts and orders have
charge Of TO show thai have made the payments the two
rst persons whom money paid the Sc
cond from the President OF the United States DO not
hold myself responsible any for those papers
Mr. TYLER placed certain papers In his hands concerning
ing Mr. wEBSrgRs disbursements OF the fund.- 10 be pro-
auced whenever the expenditure should be called IN ques
cn. Did consider them public papers, nor belonging
him for his (Mr T's) vndcstion. The accounts In the
Office confidential snd secret The papers referred TO
placed in his hands by Mr. TYLER without en- pjunc-
ton Of secrecy
Nay l6-Mr. SruBBs continues Copies of the papers
referred laid before President Polk the next day
AFTER the speech made by Mr. WEBSTER, In which he
gave Mr. INGERsoIL such overhaung Mt STUBS vol
unfairly Mr.. ISoERsoLLs lodgings and told him
Of accounts in his office. Mr. l. thererpon went to
the Office and talked with Mr.. SruBBs Mr. STrsss says
He Inquired respecting payments on the Presidents
certificates informed him that dring my acquaintance
In the Office there but iwo-the one OF S4,46o and
OF 81 600. lie inquired 10 whom and for what these
payments made told him that had not made
The payments OF the FIRST amount He inquired by whom
they made. told him by Mr.. WEBSTER He asked.
Was /; possible Mr. TYLER would give ccrtlhcate ior
that amount, without knowing TO whom The payments
made l answered before he would give the
certificate he reQureda statement OF tho disbursement and
vouchers so lar as they could have been obtained He
asked where was the statement told him Mr.. TYLER
had left with me- that could be produced ii ever the
matter called in question: He expressed desire to
SEQ It. showed il TO him. He asked for copy. l
'od him would not give him copy without the sane
lion of the Acting Secretary Of State and proposed 10 ask
for that sanction BE SAID he would take the paper and
ask Mr. TRIsr himself. He did and said. Mr.. TRIsT
said he might have copy. WIts mdde copy ne
Looked al he roueheS Mt INGEKoLL asked how much
money Nr. wEssrTR had received from the fund. told
HIN about twelve thousand dollars; but referring 10
memorandum found, and stated that was seventeen
thousand dollars. lie asked for and gave him copy OF
thar memorandum"
bis (Mr. So calling on Mr.. /. was enable him
Iet himself right and clear Mr.. TYLER He
prised at Mr. WEBsTER's speech
MGy ls-Mr. Srrpps continued. This examination
seemed 10 turn tho reason why Mr.. SrusSS
saould unlimited call upon Mr. lSGERSoIL to correc,
Mr.. WEBsTERS statements. Tho Chairman and Mr.
SrrBfs had quite conversation about Mr.. SruBBss
duty 10 run soou, town tell any Member of Congress
what facts were the flies of Ats DePartMsnl incoHss
tent with shy statements that Members of Congress
might make on the toor OF either House. A file of the
Dnion being produced Mr. ;. could find stateueuthy
Hf. WEBSTER which it necessary 10 correct bu,
pointed passage In Mr.. DIcKiNsoNs speech, from
Woich be Inferred that Mr.. WEBSTER some other
Senator had said something which exposure of the
secret papers in his possession would prove incorrect
Mr. SruRBs did not consider the papers belonging to
Toe Department He does not hold himself responsible
Tor the papers to the Secretary President They
not under the contro! OF the Department.
In reply TO Mr. DobSin (who asked Il they were not
under the control OF the Department why did he (Mr
50 in answer to previous question say that he would
not give up papers without the sanction of the Secre
tary) he said no only avsed himself oa rule OF the De-
parmeut; and yet these papers were copied for
the Presiden, make his reply the House
How could House Resolution call for papers under
tho control OF the Department. And farther STILL when
these papers laid before tho President hs said it
was not right to give them 10 Congress, aud ye, Mr.