The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1846-08-22

stretched forth from His throne of light to corseerste
and Enthusiastic Cheering De for the defence or be
for the assertion of nations liberty look upon the
sword as sacred weapon e. No, no." from the Rev
dened the shroud OF the oppressor like the annointed
rod Of the high priest il has at other times blossomed
hear, hear" and vehement apPlsuse) Abnor the
sword and stigmatze the sword No. my Lord for III
the dragged passes of the Tyrol it cnt in pieces the
for the peasant Of Innspruck. (Cheers) Abhor the
sword and stgmatize the sword No, my Lord, for at
rs blow giant nation sprans up from me waters o. .ns
colony became 8 daring free republic. (Cheera) Ab
hor the sword. and stgmatre the sword No my Lord
for it scourged the Dutch marauders out of the fine old
towns Of Belgium, back into their own Ihsgmatic
swamps (cheers and knocked their dag and laws and
schsdt A tEnsiusissac Cheering Ny Lord, ssrned
that 1t the right Of nation TO govern ITSELF not IN
this hall but upon the ramparts of Antwerp Cheers
learned the first article of nations creed upon those
ramparts, where freedom was justly estimated; and
where the possession Of the precious gift was
by the efhsion OF generous blood. loud cheers. My
Lord, admire the Belgians honor the Belgans for
their courage and their daring and will not stgmaze
the means by which they obtained Citizen King
Mr.. J. O'CossELL.-T rise to order Clear, hsar) l
have Lord several times checked the necessity which
during the latter portion Of his speech have checked
it, because said to myself though the expressions are
legally dangerous to the association yet st perhaps.
he will qualify perhaps modify. (Hear, hear) don't
think wroug in saying that instead Of doing 50 he
has only increased in what may call dangerous ex
with the deepest annoyance to mo have to interrupt
him but do with the strongest conviction on my soul
that would not be safe fer the association to allow him
to proceed (Cheers) did expect that we should have
to- adonrn the proceedings and continue the debate
but now fear the time come to say yea or nay to the
heard in the souuent language Of my friend
doctrines rendered all the more dangerous coming IN
such language and from SO gifted speaker-(No no)
promise the gentlemen who dissent from an immediate
opportunity Of testifying their opinion (Hear hear)
think the time is now comethe point in our discussion
to say yea or nay to the resolutions could go on {
point OF FORM and say that the association having this
day fortnight pronounced its deliberate opinion any per-
son not dissenting from the decision then come to- ceases
ipso facto to be member OF the association (Hcar,
hcar) could go on that point Of form. but don't want
to do So merely want to ascertain if there be doubt
about the principles have felt it my duty to enuncate
at once. Cheers, II is Just suggested to me that the
resolution put in the association ought to be stoodby
confess am in puzzle how to act but in this have
puzzle whatever that the language Of Mr. Meagher 10
nospguage that could be safely listened to by the asso
ciaon-,hat the sentiments he has this day avowed
sentiments directly and Numerically opposed to the
sentiments Of the founder Of this association; and that
therefore this association must cease to exist, MIR
Meagher to be member Of it {" Hear, heal"
Kisses cheers and much confusion III lie the will Of
the association shall retire e. No. no." and cheers
and loud calls Mr. Meagher Iyou believe the ques-
zion to be against me. will leave the association.
{" Never, never" and checrs)
Mr.. STEELr.-And Of course so will l. proclaimed
yesterday that such my intention. (Cheers)
Captain BRopRIcK.--And SO will |.
Mr. J. O'CoNN. LL.-This much beg to say in
conclusion that Mr. Meagher and can longer be in
the same association. Cheers and some confusion)
Mr. SMITH O'BsIrS rose amid loud cheers, and said;-
My Lord Mayor and Gentlemen, am afraid that the
alternative which has been presented to by Mr. John
OConne is of such a nature necessarily to compel
the termination of this discussion, because Mr. John
OConne gives other alternative than his seeding
from this association closing this discussion unless
at least he rctracts what he has said ear hear But
cannot allow this meeting to come to such conclusion
without expressing opinion that the course OF argu
ment adopted by Mr.. Meagher was perfectly fair and
legitimate. Loud cheers) l understood We were in
vited here to-day for the purpose OF considering deber
atey whether any gentleman can continue to be men,
her of this association who entertans the opinon-con
scienOuslythat there are occasions which justify a
nation in resorng to the sword for the vndcaton OF its
Liberties. Cheers) Mr. Mcagher has distinctly stated
that he joined this association for the purpose OF obtain
ing repeal by peaceful and moral alone. (Hear,
hear But he does not consider, do consider that
precluded from asserting the opinion which after all
is involved in the discussions and from submitting such
as we feel ourselves at liberty to submit to our
fellowcountrym in vindicaton OF the opinions which
have been arraigned (Cheers) Remember this, gentle
men-and it fit you should remember itfor the pro-
ceedings OF this day event in Irish
hear) You are charged with being people who will
give fair play to an adversary you are charged
with beng willing slaves of any despot who may OBJ
tain the reins of power at particular moment CHEERS
and cries o." No." and some confusion) Do you sup
pose that am saying that mo, MOI That the charge
Of them. Cloud cheers1 should designate as a
calumDiator the who would give you such title
but ask you, are you now going to foruy as lar as
regards this assembly the assertion Of your enemies by
putting down q man who is endeavouring calmly and
dspassionately to discuss question to which he was in
vited-to which he compelled. (HIear, hear) II
this discussion be terminated shall have the sasfac-
ton Of entering protest against the proceeding which
put down Mr.. Meagher on the present occasion Loud
cheers) -
Mr. Meagher and Mr.. John O'Connell rose at the
time address the association. There were loud
calls for the hon. member for Kikenny and Mr. Meagher
Mr. j. O'CossELL presented himself to the meeting,
and received with loud enthusiastic cheering When
silence restored he proceeded to speak as follows
The question is not my hon. friend Mr. OBrien con
ceives to be- shall young man be put down IN TINS
association but the real question is, shall that young
man put down this association 7 loud cteers) For
declare it is my solemn conviction that the language Mr.
Meagher has held in most dangerous cloud cries O.
No. no" and cheering, followed by slight confuson)
We did not invite them to this discussion has arisen
incidentally out Of the resolutions on which the as.ocia
ton is founded, and which framed that board
surely must be allowed that in proposing those resolutions
the founder of this association knew his own mind
different opinions from his they have the power Of
ing him from this association and making their own
(No no) Il Is simply question between hum ana them
He founded this association the basis OF these resou
tons Will they stand by them II not let them adopt
other resolutions and adopt another leader loud cries
Of O'Conne O'Connell" and enthusiastic cheering9
Here Mr. Smith O'Brien abruptly left the hawit the
apparent Intention Of not returning The hon. gentle
man was followed BY Mr. MITCHELL MIR: e Mnesgher, Rev
Devin Rely, and others Their departure created some
sensation followed by considerable noise and confusion
Many persons fusneu 10 tne lHose c
NAMED enthusiastic in their cheers for OCon-
NELL Repeal. and Old Ireland which continued for
several minutes During the cheering Mr. OConnen en-
deavored without effect to obtain hearing but silence
being at length restoredl-
Mr. j. O'CorSELL continuedIt is source Of sjoy to
that have witnessed this departure There can
not be feeling Of triumph cannotb be one single
psurabe feeling in my heart at witnessing the loss TO
the association of such as Smith . Bren-at wit
Messing the departure Of those excellent men from
amongst as (Hear, hesr) know the country will de-
plore and know the country will hold me blsmeiess
believes that would rather give my es blood
than risk the loss of man. the men who went
with him. it not that the absolute aud instant ne
cessy Of the association loud cheers drowned the con.
cuson OF the SENTENCED This Is not time to speak,
time weep Let us, then retire iron this hail to
the loss have sustained Let us not think
of meeting until Monday next, hen hope Nr. OCon
nell will be here to to repair the breach that has In
evitaby occurred (hear hear) But do impore those
kind friends who have cheered me to-day TO use no
angry word no term Of insult towards the men who
have left us. (Chcer) Cancellation and peace
are our mottos even with enemies. SHOULD it not
be so with friends 2 (Cheers) We deplore their
loss but will not increase the bitterness OF our hearts
by using towards them one single Of rcproach,