The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1846-08-04

who now think that this equality ought to exist, to
avow that change of opinion. and to aid in the en-
deavor to procure the desired equality. (Hsar, hear)
With respect to the church In Ireland and the cndow
ment of the Roman Catholic clergy. voted with my
vidug the es,ablshment of noolh funds
of the established church We were deestsd by great
majority the opinion Of the hocse being adverse to that
proposition afterwards continued to tho end give
jealous support TO the bill which provided for the
tabshmen Of aynooth out ofthe consolidated fund
ton Of nv honorable friend Was not carried. Well,
now say that retain my opinions with respect to the
Protestant Church and with respect to Roman Catholic
endowment but do not think that II 10 necessary that
should urge these opinions at the present moment for
should be doing that which must confess at the present
to what ssms have proposed VIZ the dssructon 81 he
Protestant church in Ireland there could be
fatal sanctioned by Parliament (Hsar,
hear hear) believe that it would be politically
injurious, because I believe that many Of the most
10y al in lreland-many Of those the most attached
the Of that 70 hss are
ondly attached. (Hear hear) believe that in rei
gious point Of vew it would be the commencement of
religious that there would be that which does not
present prevathe most violent and vehement attack
ths Roman Catholic religion and that the Roman
The abstraction Of the Protestsnt church ear hesr)
Can you found endow the Roman Catholic church \
1t quite evident from Mr. Pitts speeches. and the
moranda left by his friends that he Of opinion that
possible to endow 10 make provision for the
Roman Ca hoc church by the State My belief is that
Mr. Pitt had carried that measure he ould have car
ried conducive to the welfare Of Ireland to the
maintenance Of the union and to the peace the united
kingdom Hear hear) In copfo nifty with that opinion
gave my vute in 1898, twenty years ago. Ia favor
Of motion made ty Lord f. Egerou now the Earl Of
EIesmere who moved that provision be made for the
do find ut this moment 1 see, generally speaking,
that the church Of England that the dfssenters
Of England, that the established church Of Scot.
land thei the fee church OF Scotland that the es
abshed church in Ireland that the Protestant Associa
ton in lres &c, and lastly that tho Roman Catholics Of
Ireland the Inseves. all vehement in opposition to
such plan. received only this morning pacard from
Edinburgh, in which the Roman Catholics OF Edinburgh
Hs nsD % the
clergy. cannot see them that that 10 which
am bound, consistently with my duty. to bring under
more favorable disposition towards it the part Of the
people. should say if that measure any other mea
st be- bound BY my duty to Inc Crown to propose ~
and resign office If should not carry il; but must
fess that with respect TO ecclesascal questions in Ire
land admitting do that neither the state Of the Pro-
tesant establishment affecting the south of Ire land
nor the voluntary system affecting the Roman Catho
lies is satisfactory my mind; yet do that there
sures need be proposed with respect to them. There
are many Questions which are more beneficial to Ire
land, and more practicable; and therefore ! do not
the necessity OF urging forward those questions
which confess to be impracticable. If any member
want of confidence in my administration ON the ground
that not disposed to rest for satisfied with the
present condition OF ecclesiastical affairs in Ireland
inclined say that the state Of these affairs consistent
with justice, and that it must BE- kept up in perpetuity
on the principle Of endowment for the Protestant mnor
ty and of the voluntary principle for the Roman Catho
lie majorty any persons are disposed to favor vote
Of want of confidence that account cannot help their
acting such opinion But cannot, in my mind
say that am satisfied perfectly with that condition Of
affairs cannot pledge my self If find the people Of
England and Scotland disposed to what think more
just and useful arrangement will not pledge myself
be opponent of such arrangement (Hear) My hon
friend went to ask whether should promote
sion of the franchise in this country and he alluded
that word which has been oteu thrown my teeth by
those who wished to diminish any reputation might
have with the people namely, the word 6nality" Now
the word fnalty," be it remembered, word Of
pose Of pressing stem to which think gave
any counienance. What happened was this, that my
OF Parliament and the other in this had brought forward
great measure OF parliamentary reform and when they
this reform intend to stop here but cannot sup
port II If you mean it to- be step to some other
scheme Of parliamentary reform which is immediately
other scheme to follow this consider this as final
measure this is the only measure we propose"
peaed in this house that such had been their language
and that did not think 1t would be consistent with what
they had sadI did not think sitting by my late noble
FRIEND Lord Ahorpe and consenting to his language it
would be consistent honorable in me- Immediately to
propose other large scheme of parliam enary re-
form said that the whole Reform Bill should be
KEPT just as was in all its parts said could not be
party to any large and scheme Of representation.
said, ut may be that ,he people Of England differ
from mel they may wish to nave new reform bll they
may wish to have household suffrage or universal
suffrage they may wish to have t.iennial
parliaments, or annual parliameuts If that is
the case, think it is far better that scheme
should be brought forward by some one who
thinks it would 10 beneficial and not by who sat by
Lord Althorpe when he made this declaration" With
am for Improvement am for any Improvement that
can be made--I am for improvement with regard to
all subjects but as to intending to bring forward
Producing either household suffrage, or (what believe
my hon. friend favors) the Ave points Of the charter
will do no such thing (Hear hear) II lose my hon
friends confidence |
brings forward the FIVE points Of the charter, shall
think it to give my decided opposition to such
sion of the franchise, not the five Points"] What my
honorable friend says is the extension of the fran
ton founded upon petition for reform, petition most
numerousy signed but for that specific object Of which
he is the advocate A: to extension OF the suffrage
friends proposition upon the subect-tl | know
what it is that he proposes , under those hs
conss "Ipdsani.er! Yes they are very vague and nd
made nst Which wa: much n l
stated that there certain matters-tha there were
other Of voters who thoush might be introduce
ed consistently with the Reform Bill | will not say
whether those schemes were wise or not, but what
opposed was, scheme of representation which
must confess that generally, speaking-snd my Hon.
friend may take advantage of that declaration if he likes
that with regard 10 great measures that have been
under the consideration of Parliament whether you
speak of the Reform Act Of Lord Grey, whether you
sreak Of the Roman Catholic Relief Act, whether you
speak the Repeal Of the Corn Laws which has only
passed the other day. hold that wise in this house,
il Is wise in Parliament to rest satisfied with the settle
ment which has been made after long elaboration by
the Legislature (Hear hear) That there is not gain
be acquired by the people equivalent to the stirring
up of agitation consequent on the revival Of subjects
which have been once settled by the deliberations of
Parliament But now, with regard to the Factories Act
have already stated what think should be the latitude
allowed by persons who in the present day meet toge
Their a Cabinet have given my vote in favor Of short
ening the hour in factories stated belf ve the
last discussion upon that subject. that If we went into
committee should be in favor of shortening the time to
hours by law. II such measure is introduced
again. shall give my vote in conformity with those hst
have previously given Ny right hon friend tine
opinion; every sentiment have heard from him agrees
with my opinion upon that subject My right hon;
friend who me- the Chief Secretary for ireland
(Mr Labouchere) has studied the subject likewise he
has studied it very attenvely; he has formed delibe-
rate and conscientious opinion that such law would be
injurious (fiear, hear) Sir, do think that an ad-
be carried usefully with regard to
the general interests Of the country usefuly with
gard to many topics Of administration and yet not have
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