Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1841-1853, 1846-01-22
Che 1noiana legislature,
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
"WEDNESDAY, Jan. IA, 1916.
AFTERNOON SESSION
DILL Ill


Tfs House resumed the consideration OF the bill pend
lns the last sdJnurnmeni-ihe question being
sidering the vote referring the bill 10 the people.
Mr.. Clymer said, he had made more speeches than
others but he rose TO Law some additional information
before the House lie had touched the merits Of the
bill. He had pledged himself that if this amendment
adopted he would support the bill, here and else
where The friends Of this amendment were called
demagogues and the gentleman from Knox had sad that
dsmagogues would take up The bill item by Item, and IN
h. way prejudice the country against it. If to refer
matter of this magnitude TO the people, be 10 act ;he
demsgogue, then he was willing to be so designated
He confessed that he unnsiructed
SIR Clymer here read extract from the speech Of
Mr. Butler the agent Of the bond holders at Terre Haute
last SUMNER where he that the bonds OF Indiana
were not held by the Earrings and Rohschds and other
rich men Of England, but by widows and orphans, who
were that suffering for bread. He asked if such
the facts how would this bill meet the interest of
such bondholders, when IL provided, that before they
could avail themselves Of its advantages they must adj
vance Indiana millions and quarter of dollars
He was repudiaor ne felt for the interest Of the class
of individuals last menuonsd He had another matter to
SPEAK Ola promise had been offered TO member that
the northern canal would be ,acy attached, # he would
GO E,r the BILL
Mr.. Secrest wished gentlemen would locate their
sweeping charges.
Mr. CIymer said, he did not impugn the motives of
members. The offer was made To a member, and not by
member.
MIR. Seerest said, the gentleman from Elkhart had
pledged himself yesterday, TO vote for the bill, IT hI>
amendment adopted but to-day he says It is bill
TO cheat widows and orphans.
Mr. Hazerigs said that those rho voted for the amend
ment would be bound for the BILL for they voted
against it after this amendment adopted would be
distressing the people, and this way the bill might be
passed almost UNANIMOUSLY Now he put 10 the friends
for consideration whether would be better pass
the bill unanimously, than pass il with meagre and
bare majority; for if thus passed the people would dis
the measure, and II would be made Odous that
Legislature might be sent up here that would so clog
the operations OF the law make it entirely nugaiory
He cared who held our bonds Ii was understood
that many of them held by for the benefit
Of widows and orphans BY this bill we would pay two
I..Ic HE h h.
greatly beneficial. So far the other two and half
per cent was concerned he doubted very much whether
any thing would ever be derived from the canal.
Mr. Vandeveer took the same position, and proceeded
AZ length To defend the amendment
Mr. Nelson had troubled the House as little as any
Their individual Himself and colleague represented
, 90 voters Charges had been made that lac sorry
20 hear made. He, when the system Of improvement
adopted, a eassiher. he then called
nnllher This charge was incorrect Now, when he
could not 60 the whole length, he called a rrpuda-
tor. Such not the fact. In 33l law enacted
TO locate the seat Of justice OF Carroll couny-where
similar provision, referring the the people,
contained IN the bill. Here precedent and gen.
temen had told him of others. He asked, is all the
intelligence of the State congregated in this body He
believed not There thousands OF in the State,
well qualified as members OF this House. Gentlemen
had told that the accepted time-that this
the day of salvation TO the State; that the bond
holders would fly away refused TO adopt this meas
In this, gentlemen were mistaken. They would
be here year. We need net if they took their
departure TO the moon. He was something OF a military
u
difficulties than get out of them. II this amendment
adopted he would vote for the bill and he would
support IL al home.
Mr. Thompson said, that the the friends Of the
bill were pursuing calculated drive of men,
hers from its support. Did gentlemen believe that
Legislature could be returned here winter with pow
repeal this bill They must be ignorant than
he believed them to be- If they sincerely entertained
such sentiments One gentleman said, that if this bill
did pass there would be acceptance of the grant
of lands from Congress That gentleman was green
horn in Legislation. He asked gentlemen adopt the
sentiments Of The gentleman from Boone-and come up
with unanimity and pass the bill.
Mr.. Sleeth did rise to make speech. He wished /
IN state briefly his IN reference the amendment
and in the he would that he in favor of
it. The friends of the amendment had been charged
with being regulators they had been charged with
intention to act the demagogue He repudIator
He was in favor Of paying the debts of the State His
constituents not informed of the features OF the BILL
He understood the general features OF the bill and
favor of them but the general tendencies of the BILL
in its Details he uhacquainted with. He wished
referred that he might examine the bill with his people
He agreed with the gentleman from Perry, that the
friends Of the bill pursuing course TO drive votes
from the bill The agent of the bond holders up
here with his plans well maured he wished examine
them lf the bill good one he wished to preserve
it, and that il might become the settled policy OF the
country In this question he proud of having
referring this matter to the people, Ii was not an
illegal proceeding. The question to be referred TO the
people; not whether they would pay the debt
pudate whether they would enter into this par
icuar contract They not in favor of reputation.
question of similar importance back the people. His
constituents would not say be repudIaor, for the
course he was pursuing. They knew him too well.
The question was now taken on reconsderng the vote
and decided in the affirmative, ayes 80, noes 81.
Mr. Hazergg moved 10 amend, so that all the vo es
given for against the that for Gov
ernor, shall be counted for the law which amendment
not adopted.
Mr.. SecreSt hoped the amendment of the gentleman
from Elkhart would be withdrawn when he would offer
an amendment hat the hoped would produce harmony,
and gave outline, of the proposition which was, that
the canal should for half the debt and five per cent
bonds be executed for The other half
Mr. Clymer said, this proposition. He
hoped would be printed, and the bill laid until to-
morrow If il would stand the OF investigation he
would GO for the bill.
Mr.. Mcdonald warned gentlemen to vote for any 4
bill that did not refer the mailer TO the people.
Mr. Clymer refused to Withdraw the original PROPOSE
ton referring to The people.
The question taken on the proposition refer
ring the people and decided in the negative, ayes A.
80.
Mr. Secrest then offered amendment providing that
the Sae shall have the power to call in her bonds, and
shall issue for half the amount, at per
be paid of the of the State and canal
certificates for the other ha-the holders Il these certf
looking the canal alone for tn redempon-giv
ing the State the power, at any time by paying these
certificates take back the canal in the following words
to wit:
cit shall be optional with the State at any time hereaf
ter call and require surrender OF the outstanding
Stock issued under the first section ct this act by giving
10 the holders of such stock certificate tor the
half of the principal heef bear interest at and af
ter rate Of FIVE per centum, and which principal and
shall be payable and redeemable by the State out
of the thereof the principal to be payable at The
pleasure Of the State and by giving to such holder snoth-
er certificate for the other half of the principal OF such
stock, bear like interest of i've per cenum an
num- and be paid and redeemed sBd only paid and
deemed out of said canal lands and the tolls and