The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1846-02-11

and Arrsssa Ds sAss sAa. = Of our own titles
TO oregon must say 50, though thi li.le of
as any man can. IL good title when it given II
was the faith the Christian nations OF Europe at that
time that such title valid and !. was under such
titles that all territory acquired for time The
Pope was In the custom Of giving away not only all
civilized countries too. lie dethroned sovereigns laid
their Kingdoms under interdic and excommunicaed
Of Great Britain this day holds Ireland by other
title Three hundred years before the grant Ferdinand
England and England holds island under that title
unless indeed she sets another title by conquest
petual rebellion ever since. England has been Obliged
to conquer her some half doz times and she
t. 90 as
independent. and if We get into with England il
will be pretty serious matter for her TO maintain
her title ! cannot say absolutely that our title
under the grant to Ferdinand and Isabella is a
good title Il should rather say it is in itself
invalid Our title is founded that general authority
granted to man by his Creator to the earth
and suodue IT," Il was grant Of the Creator
much should be portoued out 10 him but that was
aquestion for the whole race to accommodate among
themselves that Is for communities to say what SHOULD
oe IN II respective metes and bounds and when they
were formed, It became matter of legislation to deter
mine particular territorial rights of property Between
that way the law OF nato (Which consist Of nothing but
the customs of nations and the treaties they mutually en-
entire territory OF the globe should be occupied II is by
vhtue of such conventional agreements that you sir
other Individual can take ii from YOU Our title to Ore
gon has the same foundation When the discovery of
Columbus came to be realized as matter OF great i'm
portance other nations took it into their plant
colonies this continent and then questions and
OF rights between them which have
been settled to this day Our title to Oregon
these questions. Title to territory 10 from various
sources We have been told that title river and to
all the territory drained by that river and all its branches
derived from discovery and exploration Of the river
And this has been partially agreed II generally al
lowed comforting rig6t-snd on this It has been said
"a.
lumbia But this is not the foundation of our titles here
II gentlemen will turn to the LIST vol Of Hazards State
Papers they will find charter given by Charles to the
colony OF Mas achusetts Bay which that monarch
gives her s all Of this Continent lying between the pars
charter granted to any on this continent The
sort Of cnarter was given to Virginia The particular
parallels OF latitude forget. but they extended from
to Other American charters derived from kings
of England also extend like these, from But
this continent in portions lying between certain desg
mated parallels of more than the Pope had to
What better right had King Of England to do this
than the Pope Of Rome Yet the very gentlemen
, who sit here and divide the spanish title hod
ters from British Kings, and they rely upon them
to sustain their right to their own territory the
territory of Virginia, for instance to be disputed
the territory which Richmond s.rnds or Noffolk,
these convey no right, where will they 60 for
their title They will immediately 60 10 the
they cap go where else-unless they pretend to
right by conquest under the Declaration of Indepen
this very hour there is a contest going on between my
own beloved and the State of Rhode Island
charter from William and Mary who, by the By, were
usurpers what right had they to give away this CONT
between Spanish arbrators and the wise Queen Eliza
beth-n which the Queen says that the Pope had no
right to make grants of unoccuped and barbous terri
tory she could discern right he had and his grants
createdno valid titles Elizabeth very wise ths
ask what right had she to make such grants any
AoA IL
that discovery OF the mouth of the river gives title all
the territory drained by (Which the ground
OF the right by which you hold your title On this point
go again to the charters granted by the Kings Of Eng
sachusets much of the continent as lies between
40 and AS and between the Atlantic and Pacific oceaus
thing else The Kings of Europe following the exam,
PIE OF the Pope made grants this continent and eae
where upon such principles as they thought proper
river would be for their advantage they claimed that
all the territory drained by such river their own,
aud they granted It to whom they would, and on such
terms as suited themselves. la this way Louis XIV.
granted to Crezsrt power trade with the Mississippi
ne granted him no andbut gave him power trade in
the mississippi valley yet hod by that very char.
ter The river had been discovered however before by
British subjects. All these titles are imperfect The
mere discovery of river or island confers no
title in itself Exploration comes next this gives
.iguity both gviog soms dsg,se Of title but none
Of them all give perfect title in and Of themselves
session and that is all We wa It to have clear and
ndisputable" title to Oregon. We want possession-oc
Bri,an-one in 1915 and another in -csnventions
oy which we did not agree to any joint occupston or
any thing ks H. 1 10 the days Of Jack rsl:a Ssho
gentleman from Ohio, Mr. starkweatherD certain Doll
Tearsheet once said These villains will make the
word captain as odious the word occupy which
excellent good word before i'll sorted fear that
before long this word joint occupation will become
often ill sorted" There occupation Of Oregon
cupaton is what want, and what would get by put
ting an end to the convention OF 1927 What is that con-
vention The gentleman from Georgia. (Mr. Kng,) in
his personal remarks little while ago, called upon
10 say why agreed TO that conventions and yet how
can now say that the American title is good to the whole
OF Oregon
Mr. Kso rose to correct the statement The question
agreed to the convention, why he had not entered
protest against the British claim.
Mr. ADAMs-l answer, according to his own idea,
that in the of the first convention acting in
subordinate capacity as Secretary Of State to most
excellent and estimable man, for whose memory
shall cherish the highest regard James Monroe and
as 10 the second convention, which made during
the timo that | occupied the office Of President, /
tell that gentleman that il he viii read 1t he will
find contains formal protest against the claim Of Great
Britain nave the conventions here and viii read from
convention: agreed that any country that may be
claimed BY either party the northwest coast Of Ame
RIGA westward to the Stony Mountains, shall together
with its hatbors bays creeks and the navigation Of all
rivers within the same be and open the Of
convention to the vessels citizens and subjects Of the
two powers" Is that occupation-jont severall No
to leave the country free and open all the rid for
ten years 1t being we'll understood"-here's the
protest-it being well understood that this agreement
10 not to be construed to the prejudice Of any claim
which either Of the two high contracting parties
may have to any part Of the said country shall BIO
takeno affect the claims Of any other power state
any part Of the said country" beg the committee to
take good notice of what follows for to my
argument from ii The only object of the high
tracing parties being to prevent disputes and differ
ences amongst themselves" This is my answer to the
gentleman from Georgia That is the only object Of
the convention. That being the only object and the
article being limited to ten years. il the obvious
and definite conclusion that ofhe ten years the
difficulties must all again for settlement s
this sufficiently clear protest against the claims of Great
Britain and not only but Of any other parties
ed in the treaty. What is the other party concenedl Il
Spain and this was clear admission that Spain had
rights there which not to be affected by the con.
vention This was in 1915 The very expressions show