New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1846-01-01

] The Senator from Indiana had endeavored 10 draw
contrast between his tNr. C.s course upon
the Texas question, and his course upon this
/ The views which governed me said Mr.. c upon
that question. govern me also upon this. pursued
IN reference 10 Texas what conceived 10 be the
best course. If acted boldly and promptly on that
occasion il was because b0lduess and pronPtness
were necessary 10 success l. was the golden op-
portuniIy and one years delay would have
lost Texas 10 forever. II l am Tor more de-
liberate measures on this occasion ii is not
because | am not friend 10 Oregon. On the
CONTRARY Oregon has no better friend than
myself; there is no one who would venture more 10
save il But il is asked why DO not pursue the
same course OF action N regard 10 Texas II the
gentleman will refer 10 my remarks in lS+3, he will
find that the views which governed ME then are The
same as those which govern NE now. | believe
tina, preeipiIancv will lose yoa Oregon forever-no
moi forever but it will lose you Oregon IN the frs
struggle and then il will require another struggle
hereafter, when we become stronger, TO regain II.
| will not 20 into this question now; am prepar-
ed, when il comesup for discussion, If argument can
show, ;ha, the principle involved in these resolu-
tons so far from gaining Oregon, VIII Tor the pres
eni lose every inch Of that territory and II is on
that account, as much from the fear OF losing Ore
eon from the desire OF avoiding war, that have
proposed amendments 10 the Senator'S resolutions
Sir fuy advice had been pursued we should never
have been invove ed in this controversy at all now
act under circumstances not produced by myself and
| will do the best can save the territory OF Ore
gon which hold valuable as the Senator from
Indiana himself can do. If you institute comparison
between Oregon and Texas, l would say that the
former is as valuable to Us the latter. and would
defend il. Ii the Senator and myself disagree,
disagree only as TO the means OF securing Oregon,
and not as 10 its Importance. Sir intend 10 say
nothing about censuring the President l simply
said that, by implication, a censure would be con-
veyed. do not suppose that the Senator intends
10 reflect upon the President; but there can DC no
difference as far this question Is concerned, be-
tween the time when the proposition for division
al the fort- ninth parallel was made and now II
was as sensible then as it would be 10 repeat the Of
fer
Mr. HAYwoop did not think it became the Senate
TO interfere in the matter at present He was adj
verse 70 the original resolutions, and was quite as
much opposed 10 the amendments. He intended TO
move that the whole subject be laid on the table.
Mr. CALHoUS disclaimed any intention Of laudng
the President, did he accuse the gentleman from
Indiana of any intention 10 eensure him. Ii was
very certain however, that the sense OF the Senate,
when taken upon the original resolutions and the
amendments would show very clearly the views en-
tertained with reference 10 the settlement OF the Or
egon difficulty. Those who agreed with the honora-
BILE mover of the original resolutions would reject
all farther negotiations; those on the opposite side
would be disposed TO continue the negotiations.
Tha, was the whole amount of the matter and his
sole reason for moving the amendments was that the
sense of the Senate might be fully taken.
Mr. ARCHER said i, seemed to him to be matter
of nc great importance what disposal The Senate
might finally make of the two propositions now
before them. He considered it chiefly OF conse-
quence as displaying the views entertained by
individual Senators and he merely rose at this
time for the purpose of expressing his profound
satisfaction at the course taken by the distn.
guished Senator from South Carolina. He had had
occasion 10 express his views upon the subject here
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but be hailed the attitude taken by the Senator as
an undoubted omen of peace. And from his place
here he proclaimed the glad news. And why They
of that side of the House found on the other side
members enough 10 sustain them in the ground
which they were going 10 take.
Sir, lsaid Mr.. ARCHER,l when speak OF peace
dsdain 10 say that the word means no other than an
honorable peace
Mr. JoHS NJ. CLAYTON was in favor of laying the
resolutions on the table. and thought the subject
should be discussed in Executive Session he
trusted that the Senator from South Carolina Mr.
Calhoun would move TO let the resolutions lie over
for the consideration Of the Executive branch OF the
Senate, to which they more appropriately belonged ;
that was the appropriate place for discussion, II II
should arise But he Mr.. c. deprecated every al
tempt at discussion before the country, II II be the
intention of any party thus 10 prepare the country
| for war
| The Presden, Of the United States had the power
of initiating all these matters; it their business
10 wait until he had informed them officially II a
! treaty was made, and then they could discuss he
subject. He would ask the Senate, If by this discus
sion they did not express opinions whilst the matter
was under negotiation, and would they not stand
committed 10 the country by the resolutions which
they should adopt? There was no man who heard
| him on the resoutops and the amendments which
had been offered in relation to the 10th parallel or
the whole of Oregon. but must say, that ii he acted
on these resolutions before the Executive had acted
/ nj he / v a
assume the negotiation of the question. which was
now in the hands of the President Suppose the
resolutions or amendments offered by the Senator
from South Carolina, Mr. CALHoUS,) were adopted
in their place, what would he would ask, be their
position! A majority would declare in favor of the
49th parallel. Now he would ask. suppose the
President could get better terms for them sup
pose he would be able 10 get half for them, the
United STATES and leave half for England would
those in Senate who favored the views of the
President be met in this way, that they had voted
for different parallel, in having preudged this ques
ton He objected 10 the question being forced
upon them until il came properly before them. Let
it come from the President let them take no por-
zion Of the responsibility from him. They as the
Senate. had no right 10 assume the initiative, nor
act until the President had first acted upon the mat
! ter.
Mr.. HAyyEGAy rose in reply. In the first place,
the gentleman who had spoken last-a gentleman
for whom he entertained the most profound respect
it strange 10 MIN MI ID 10 near from one OF
bis high character and learning, that the United
States Senate had not the power, under any as
pect which the question under consideration as
sumed. 10 take upon itself the initiative in regard
to territory Can it be that the Senate can only
act behind power, in whose shade they must
hide themselves But, the honorable Senator said,
they were interfering with the negotiation. Did not
the President himself tell them there was no negoa'
ton going onl Everything in relation TO the subject
he told them before the whole world Did ne not
tell them in his message that negotiation was at an
end 1t could not be resumed again unless by The
British Government. He (lr. g. took the ground
Of the high tone issued in the message that our coun-
try would not renew IL
Mr. CALHoUs rose TO make some remarks in reply
10 the Senator from Delaware, Mr.. CLAYToN He
assured the honorable Senator, averse as he was
10 discussion in that chamber that he Mr.CALHoUSl
was equally averse 10 il. But this was not case
for the exercise of advisory What was tbs
proposition II was denial Of the power OF this
government to settle the question of Oregon. Now,
he considered that upon such poin, as that there
ought 10 be no doubt on the subect-no doubt as TO
whether upon question of this kind, they had the
power to make treaty. His Mr.. C.'sl reso-