New-York daily tribune. [volume] (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866, 1846-12-17
4 association Di.cus.ed....So. :.


-0gItFESN XIII n E-NAE4NE
"a f5-E1s T-fs -ep7 30 5lir -ast article upon ;his
--~t Kill 30 f.f.-5 n our columns tlis Cc-nInz We
pas b. ior ne u.seu - doctrine % Na'ars. 5i.lt
and ask attention ths- portion OF TIE article winch
relates 70 ire ?AscE1ct- y oAA.Ho Q. >z,oea';en.
I : uui-e-:zliy a-=-sd that he existing social system
! not oarac-.- li.= "a remedy certain evils winch
prevent Z - -~e-sa diffusion OF naPPlness which ell
deem s-s:-a5is Th.=e sriis. = our judgment -T1=
out al the defects " rcez q Individual Character sEd
az o,!r % be r.1sis5 ~ individual Ead personal re-
form Tt T-5Hc s-c-I6es them % the orE7r-7 alton
OF Socier--aud contends that ;aa- 6re oa.y 90 DC
remedies. b - eat.-e c-1-s e.' reorganization Of
he fo---s md methods OF social Lie. Il aabitcav
,s--s-s-ss -ese evils il orleT 10 render v5rii
IN. CONNECTION 7st some social reform : needed and
then It insists that the only Tshsdy nm III Prove
efficient Is . % found n ASSOCIATION Ne coa;e11
On The canrrar~ tnat Association WI only increase SUI
2e-Ps-ua:s the a-7s, slrs o. the eNstnz >ecsi sys
terr And rrst We noucs the new relations - aich A.
soca..0n VIII establish between 80 rFopf!t1oT- anu TIE
In .: zr;f ys pro-sd taat :hs direct and newt
able endsncy Of Association would o. 70 render he re
lauous OF LANDLORD and TENANT t''T-s1 ana gps'i14
We uro-ed this IF n the premises OF Tie Xrl5re itself
That the -ope-7 OF an Association 7vouidbe -es-ed
n those ~ho should furnish the capital ana % That
Labor rorld receive a. Re reward snare OF Is pro
ducts These principles would govern 81! ASSOCIATIONS
and when Association should become universal. these
principles would become uni-ersa ikewl= aad the
iaon Of Landlord and Tenant ould be everywhe-e snG
forever prevalent In reply to TINS position Ist A-9is
SAYS nothing whatever hH aims merely 70 show tia:
M ind would not i-a large aren't as was implied
b- Al illustration whcs ve lsed u a'ects &c regard
our objection 10 the systen - founded upon the sess
tion thu; and would absorb oseo'tt OF the products
ri IN Association Now this formed no par, OF
argument We insisted simply that the relation este5
iished between the -u classes OF -oc!F YOU'D oe maj
% andlard and Tenant AMI The Ir1orf has not denied
that IL vo-id br so nor can i make any such denial
unless i -st -cpud ate the principles II mas already laid
down The men who furnish the capital buy me land,
build the edjhrc provide The 'ao.e purchase the too's
the furniture the machinery the cattle and indeed -r
ytng which the Association may need ard ofal these
things they are tho OWNERS. Inc 85orrr with their
families. live in That house eat &; that table, and work
WIKI those tools upon tina: farm snd when the hsrve7s
are gathered IN they take 10 Themselves part thereof in
psvuneut Of their labor and deliver the rest 10
the OF the proper Now It matters not ho'' r7et
REM v nav nor how lit:le The Tact remains that they
are merely Tenants upon the estates otcertnin landlords
Do ihcy not then occupy precisely the position in all
essential respects OF the tenants N Tho All Rent Dis
,rct and since the leases both cases perperu
d the rent payable kind, Is not tne relation 20 tue
owners OF the estate essentially the same
This question The Tribune has not attempted 10 an
ser though does a;tenptto cTade lis force by draw
ing An usory distinction between the capital OF ma
lure Association and the original cost OF starting one
Thus in paragraph Of which We condense the Ian
guage though vary neither the words nor the mean
ina, II says
"Probabv s5oOlo would supply tie !nd Penssbie and,
implements SC feT beginning out OF winch beginning
in len or fifteen wears mature Association coue De- ere!
oped having entire properly worth some >5e'i'o'
And The Tribune goes on 10 say that tho share Of the
the c9riTs themselves thus plainly Implying that the
workers would have acquired ana made their own,
large part Of the p0pg The Irl5+ns here evades or
attempts 10 svade very important point one 20 which
W. directed is SPECIAL attention in last article by the
question Hor a, La5grc5 sP77 aoAd!H 90 dtqnTe
,r9Dery IN Il 3. does not answer the question but
content, itself With implying that they coad acquire II
in way Let US examine ms very important puitt
a little more closely.
suppose 20 men furnish $4,000 for an Association
upon which 10 others who have no money are 10 a
Dor and 70 live with that they buy the land. build
the house furnish the tools and IN short procure every
thinr needed AZ the outset They are the absolute oTE
p of the entire pY0prty Of the Association Ine 80
lsborers work upon II and live upon itand ticr labor
in the course OF ten or fifteen years greatly enhances
the value of the land TINT the whole shall then BE-
worth say SJO00C0. DO they thereby become IN any
sense or 10 am extent OF IT, or of the houses
mills sc that may have been built upon H. Certainly
nnt They have drawn their reward 10 the share OF the
PRODUCTS due 10 their Labor tina: has been more than
enough 10 support them they may have laid II up and
nil ;ey thus have savedis their property but tuey
have, no more ttc to the domain or 10 the houses bult
-uou il tnan before ts rise value has benefited
those who invested their money in it. butuootA2rs me
ORIGINAL owners arc the perpetual owners % MI the pro
perry unless they choose Osei and unless pt inc same
time others are able and choose to buy For The Tn
i,e saws expressly that there viii be no compu!sioE
no obligation TO sell. Now il the concern should not
rove successful the Laborers would not be able 20 buy
If on the contrary should succeed aud !ts value should
rise from 5000 in 10 or - yours the owners
would not sell except ST corresponding hiehy Price
ask. Lhborer- 10 hC'l'Ait f"1
share in the properly OF Association upon any oe''er
terms than they can mcguire property unner tne present
system The Tribune SAYS. 10 be sure ual changes
bv death gici-situ5ss ana Hfire. tlcthag" ~ edgN
~. N lid those lrbo gsd md would render II rt-y
for aborcr- buy their stock But we see no force IA
this II stakeholder should die. III children OF course
would inherit ms rg and would Dc no more uEey 90
sell L. II profitable, than ne himself ana as 70 the "a
y,l inclination of capitalists udvse The Tribune -
consult some of them before building such machcs
castles upon their disiu,errstcd bcneNo'tnc'
Nov le. ii. be borne mind that these Associations
upon The Tri5Wfs theory are 10 be 4nyer-s'y =l3su
tred for the existing Soca. System ~! the land 10
this STATE and the United states Is 10 oe ned IN TINS
form and under these relations i II not perfect; clear
tbat one class OF persons those namely who hir, roHy
ili become the oNrRs of MI the real esHte and that
,h other class those namely who haze "a money Will
become their rExAH1s cUr-atrg their land occupying
their houses sc and psyu. rfnt j.. KIND Tor their u=e
Hrr haviu- in them property Whatever And I Il
mn, also per'cc;y clear that Just in proportion a. the
system should found 70 prove successful would the
shoriur Glass fui increased difficulty in rising 10 the
class of Prcpuetor And would this not Dc simply an
qsrcrati,, OF the features OF the Social system
which exists
Tts T-i5aus draws very pleasant picture OF the
could De establishment in Michigan By an Association
Now if Association urged simply a. new and in
proved method Of settling new country Clearing It's
forest draining It's swanps maxim. IL roads sc. we
yht perhaps have less say against H. We concede
70 certain extent its economy and the zesi which IN
der some circumstances labor serves from excitement
But both these features have eir limits and necessary
conditions OF which the common sense OF mankind
lakes special and correct account ana OF which Associa
ton account seer Thus IN farming districts
nothing more common than tor farmers 10 CID t0-fsT
and buy threshing machines moving 7chines &C own
and using them in common or 10 make husking bees
loFrolinvs choppnc matches sc for their mutual aid
But common scr az tells ;hen where 10 stop. These
ISOLATED make labor sTae I'VE onI Fiiie tley are
roro Once make them tie ordinary routine OF daily
Toll and they would gov FAR moro ostasieui than
lgr.a NJ ne
are Beside 70 these communities Of property and o.
EFFORT the nature OF man has afaNed imiii az d Ger
am point they must stop They cannot o. carried into
the details OF daily lite all experience proves his
ana 70 contradict !, have nothing but Tas Ir5Hrss
assertion When they are carried beyond Ina; point
iealopsies arse and contentious follow Where allla
Dor in common sharing the rsy = equally TIE nrnoie
would look upon the ow IS infringing apo' MS rights
ne skillfu would gr1riole IL the aFS"ara TIE ASJ
would constantly seek 10 shift the burten 70 MS neigh
oors shoulders and ye clam rs share OF ther loin
productions ten occasions OF pickering would spring
NJ where one row exists and il spite OF al philosophy
work would soon become Just as hard tn9aot9nous and
repul.ive as !. Is row Tte Ir5eVss highly colored
and attractive picture Is simply fancy =AetcheTnc
ing hope:u but az amazingly credcnus mind AID c=I
.ulsted 1nly IN uis,.sd L s Is oaseizs, though