The New York herald., 1845-09-27

ed but to Law il on the tablsto postpone indefinitely
to postnoue 1t to u certain tme-to commit h-or to
ameud IL which motions shall have precedence in the
order named Bot motion to strike out the word re
solved shall have precedence oi motion 10 amend and
If carried shall be equivalent to rejection oil the reso
luton"
Hon. LurHrK BRAplsH wished to know if the motion
postpone indefinitely, meant without deoatef he OBJ
jected to that and hoped it would not be adopted.
MrMBER here said that if this Convention wishsdt
have those resolutions voted on, ne would snggs 'na'
the speakers should speak up and be heard bv the au
dience.
Dr. MevIcXAn wished the original motion to prevail;
1t did not reject question in debate but merely laid
on the table till a more convenient time.
Hon JOAN DuER hoped the rule would be- amended.
Chief Justice JoSEs wished the motion as stands to
Hon JOHN Durn reoined, and urged the amendment
he thought It gag law and he wished to avoid any i'm
MEMBER here wished to know if the rule only
allowing member to speak twice on the same subject
Tha President replied till other rules we're adopt
ed, that ono was in force
Dr. McVicEAR rose, and commen nc ed speaking (Cries
If Order. order) He said, however, such debate
allowable
Several members here rose.
MIR. PREsIpENT-OrJer, order
Mr. JOHN A. HAMILTON finally proposed amend.
ment that without the discussion of the merits Of the
original question: should be decided without debate
by vote of two-thirds of the members present" He
held that it not only the right of the majority to
show why they differed, but their duty also He knew
the majority would take to resist motions
without debate, and thus stfie them.
The PRESIDENT here called him to order il he imputed
Mr.. Hamilton did not mean to imputs them. Another
mode of resisting discussion calling speakers to
der if the gentleman in the chair Is disposed to muzze
debate by deciding parties to be out of order there must
be end to debate lie merely introduced this hypo-
iheca he did not impuc such conduct to the present
MEMBER moved laying this subject on the table to
hear the report of the tellers
After reading the report of the tellers the debate
resumed
Rev Mr. JAY, Hon John DuER, and others took part
MIR. John A. KING wished tho sense of the house to be
taken which was done and was decided by the Pres
dent that the had it.
who approved of the amendment directed to rise
The vote tue twothrds amendment was then taken BY
counting the members, and there were declared foI
It, 1853 against it, ls2- thus the motion lost.
The reading Of the rules was then continued and OIL
arriving at the following
"A motion to lay the table shall be decided without
debate"
MIR. DuER proposed that the words shall always be
IN order" should be inserted instead Of "be decided
without debate" lengthy discussion ensued on this
point and when the question taker, it decided il
should remain as it originally stood
Much debate ensued the nineteenth article and the
following substitute passed
Instead "In taking by orders the ofthe
Lay Delegates OF the several Churches shall be called
Individually, and the vote Of the Church which they
present shall be recorded according to the vote Of the
1T shall be the right of any member of delegatios
who shall dissent from the vote Of his fellow delegates
have his vote placed on record in the minutes"
The remainder of the rules adopted
The house then adjourned till seven O'Clock in the
evening
EVENING SESSION.
At seven o'clock the Convention called 10 order
and the minutes of the morning and approx
ed 1t moved and seconded that 1900 copies Of the
Journal be printed under the direction of the Secretary
carried. And also additional number Of the Constr
tuition and Canons; John c. Spencer, the Chairman of
lutons passed by the Church of Ascension, and who
to take into consideration the state of the Diocese
present rose and read the report Of the
rity on the subject, which is as follows:
MAJORITY REPORT.
The Committee to which ferred the report Of the
Trustees of the Episcopal Fund, the proceedings Of
Grace Church. jamaica and certain resolutions offered
by the delegates from the Church ofthe Ascension New
into the state of the Diocese and report
what measure if any is necessary expedient for the
Convention to adopt at this time, respectfully
The report Of the Trustees of the Fund pre-.
Sents two distinct subjects for the action OF the
ton One of them which the Committee propose
slider first relates to the act of incorporation of the Tus
which passed the Legislature OF this State the
session. and copy of which is submitted by them The
act appears to be well adapted to the object and the
Committee nominated to this Convention do accept the
and do direct the transfer of the funds in the hands
OF the Trustees to the Corporation created by that act
resolution for that purpose is herewith submitted
The other subject referred to by the Trustees is the
hands which accrued since the Sd day of January last
amounting to Sl766 20 and the payment OF which they
of the sentence of suspension by the Court of Bishops
the application the income Of this fund forms part
OF the system OF measures recommended by your Com
mee the disposition which they propose to make Of it
will appear in a subsequent part Of this report.
Connected with this subject is fact which is infera.
bic from the report of the Trustees of the Ep
cOpal Fund we'll from those which have been made
for the last four five years which is that the pledge
given by the Convention of this Diocese in 1885, am.
renewed 1885, that the income arising from principal,
sum Of $900 000 should be applied the support of
Bishop has not been fulfilled The Committee have not
had time 10 make the necessary examinations, which
would enable them to state with accuracy the exact
amount OF these arrears but it is believed they hav.
exceeded $500 in each year, for tho last four FIVE
years. There difficulty in ascertaning precise
amount; time only being necessary to compare the
ports OF the trustees The Committee ale Unanimously
and decidedly Of opinion that these arrears shouli
without delay, be made mp to Bishop Onde donk upon
the principle that he was entitled to the full income
$4,000, irrespective of donations provisions from
other sources at the rate OF per cent per annum,
the Sd day of January, ls45 and they report
resolution, nsructng the Trustees Of the Episcopal
According to The instructions Of the Convention the
Committee have taken into conside ration the state OF h
Diocese. They and the whole Diocese practicaii,
and mourniuly realise the solemn truth OF the xm,
hat there can be no church without Bishop The
Churches Societies. and individuals of our Communion
daily suffering for the want of Episcopal
children cannot be confirmed church edi6ces
be consecrated ministers cannot be installed aud
tied clergy men cannot be ordaned-in fine the flock j.
without shepherd condition of things hch words
magnify. Every day, during which this condition il.
allowed to exist increases and multipes the embar
ments and difficulties OF the Diocese Our members it
apprehended instead of increasing, Of late years
will rapidly diminish from the deseton of those who
disappointed in finding the order, peace, harmony
and efficiency which they had expected in our Commu-
Mon
Very obvious then does your Committee conceive TO
be the duty Of the Convention to provide all the relief III
Its power for this unhappy state Of things
possible. II is very true that under constitution
and canons the Legitimate powers OF the Convention -
provide remedy, are very few and temporary, and
that ultimate and permanent relief can only he found IL
the action OF the General Convention Of the Church
Yet Is very important that whatever powers pos.
sess should be promptly and vigorously exerted mol
only TO satisfy the wants and expectations OF the
bers o our communion. but TO vindca'e stem .;
ecclesiascal government by showing that Is equal
any emergency tnat may arise.
The measures of relief which the Committee rec ON,
mend to the Convention the following In the ff st
place the expression of an opinion that the proc eeg
Of the Standing Committee in obtaining from other b..
shop OF Episcopal authority for this diocese oele
Justified by the Csnons Of the Church. and hghiy
commendable that the Committee shoull continue ~
its and authority to provide the wants o.
the diocese SO long the present of things con
tinues by inviting the performance OF such Epscopd
acts as may lie necessary within the diocese for