The New York herald., 1845-04-23

cable cluslon-(Lou cheers) Should il be
otherwise, can only say that we possess rights
which, IN our opinion, are clear and unquesilona-
Bile, and, by the blessing of God, and with your
support, those rights we fully prepared to main
tain. The noble earl resumed his seat amidst loud
and general applause.
HousE CT COMMONS, APRIL A. MIpNioHr.-In the House
oi Commons Lord UssELL reading the order of the
day for going into committee Of supply, called the
dent OF the United States which related the territory Of
Oregon was not his intention be sad TO enter all
Government of their policy on this very Subject
OF the oregon neither was it his wish by any obscva-
tons which he might then make to embarass their
ceedngs But the inaugural address, Of President Polk
hsd taken this question of the ordinary course d
plomatc arrangement, and required some notice the
part OF members OF that House. That distinguish ed func
tonary had adopted course entirely new which if II
were not met with something unusual on their parts,
would let questions Of great national importance be de-
cIded hereafter by popular addresses from the head OF the
Government and by the popular action resulting there
annexation of Texas to tho United States an aluson
which he only noticed for the purpose showing
the present policy of the executive Government Of tho
United States tended to territorial sggrandxement. In
his next sentence the President declared his nten-
ton to assert and maintain by all constitutional MEANS
territory which was situate beyond the Rocky Noun
ains "Our titlc" said he " to the country of Ore
people preparing to perfect that title by occupying
II with their wives and children" In consequence
Of t his declaration, he Lord J. RusselD felt CON-
PEELED to call the attention ct the house end the country
to this question in order that they might how far the
President wa justified in saying that his title the
declaring his intention take it INTO possession with
out any regard to those treaties which generally
the bonds Of peace between independent nations There
were three modes By which title might be acquired
country like the Oregon the first was by the ancient
covery ancient or MODERN followed up By occupation
and settlement He then entered into statement of
length for the purpose OF showing that if the
title to the Oregon rested on ancient discovery England
could put in claim far superior 10 that of the United
states that rested on treaty, we had coim that
ground whatever to stand and that if rested
dern discovery. the discovery of the Columbia made
sh Government, the subsequent settlement Of the
territory su rounding it by British subjects, gave us
Capt vancouvre had discovered the river Coumbia
lieutenant had sailed 90 miles up its stream and British
ana had long csrred on favorable trade there He then
gave history OF the negotiations between Great Britain
ana 1s so United M States this III county and
isting convention was formed in 1897 between Mr. Rush
on the one sida and Mr.. Huskisson the other
circumstance had new risen up The President Of the
United States bad made perempory claim to all this
territory and had called upon the citizens OF tho United
States to forth with their wives and children to take
possession oft Now Columbia was become of more i'm
portance each succeeding year The government ought,
for there was danger citizens e the United States
should disturb British subjects in the enjoyment of their
property on the Oregon, and should thus produce col
lison between the two governments He WIGS not pre.
pared to that Great Britain should abate any OF her
just pretensons where should draw the line be-
tween the Americans and ourselves. He thought how
ever that could not accede to proposaess than thai
made by Mr. Canning in 1871 with any regard to our own
interests He had heard sed that the value OF this terri
tory matter of indifference to U.S. but il nota
matter Of indifference to whether should yield any
portion OF our territory to what he must be permitted to
call clustering announcement II not matter of
ind ference to that the of communication be
India and China The other should be surren ered to
foreign power. Il was not matter Of Indifference to us
ha the tone and character of England should be lower
ed in any transaction which carried with the Uni
ted States. He should have abained from entering into
tisqustion if had been left diplomatic question
between the Earl OF Aberdeen ard Mr. Guchanan the
agents of the British and American Governmcnts but
had been taken out Of their hands he could do whsr
from doirghe could state to the people Of EnEland
whn. were their rights Having nsde that ststemeDt,
he should leave the whole matter in the hands Of the Go
vernment, and he had no doubt that they would con
suit the interests OF the country and the honor OF the
Crown.
Sir r. could not be surprised and should net feel
regret that the noble Lord had taken tho which
he hnd pursued He Of opinion that, whilst these
matters pending in negotiations between the two
Governments, 1t was petc to abstain from exercising
the right Of discussion subjects calculated to excite
popular feeling, unless there cogent to the
contrary II the noble Lord had hopght right to de-
part from that this OCCASION he ought not 10 be
held responsible for the consequences; for 1t appeared
that this question had been withdrawn from the csgn
of those to whom had been nrusted, and that
popular appeal had been made to the passions Of the reo
pie In the United States by those who ought to have d
countenanced such appeal The noble Lord had sad
that Minister of the Crow spoke such question
the present under responsibility TO which he (Lori
RusselD not liable That was undoubtedly true,
and he should therefore abstain from following the noble
Lord through his statement he could not do with.
out implying opinions from the expression OF which he
ought to abstain. He felt, however, that it
open to him 10 inform the house of the gene
raj state of cur negotiations with the United States
In thr 4harp
boundary Of the possessions Of the United States and
Of Great Britain, westward Of the Rocky Mountains
defined No agreement wss made TO the country be-
yond the Rocky Mountains; but convention signed be-
tween the two Governments in 1918, which was TO con-
nue Tor ten years. gave right Of joint occupation to the
subjects of each country In 1924 and again in 1885, Mr.
Canning made several attempts to to amicable
adjustment Of respective claims with the American
Government Those attempts entirely failed At the
end Of ten years the convention expired new conven
ton framed in 1884, which continued in force for ten
the convention ofSlS with this proviso that the
convention OF 1927 should not necessarily determine by
the lapse of me but should extend yond the term Of
ten years. and should terminate after years notice from
either party, when the rights Of both should revive That
was the convention which affected the territory Of
the Oregon.5 Mr. Pakenham Minister had been di-
rcced in ls42 to form aicable arrangement Of the
claims of the two countries equitable terms He read
message OF President Tyler dated the 80 OF December
sta for the purpose Of showing thet he had expressed
an equal desire 20 como to amicabe arrangement
Nay morc ON he 10th of February, lsas, about fort
night before this inaugural address delivered by
President Polk President Tyler IN reply to on address
from the Senate of this United states asking for informa
on relsve 10 the negotiations pending this question
with England obsorvcd hare only to say that, 81 the
negotiations still pending this information cenno be
given Considerable progress has been made in the ne
gotiaon5, which have been carried in amicsble
sri-it between the two countries, and hope that
1t viii be speedily brought to m sni able tcrmi'
nation.n He {5r Robert reeD could confirm the
language Of President Tyer respecting the amiabc spirit
in which the negotiations had been carried but he
could not confirm his statement to the progress ofhe
negotiations and to his hopes Of an amicabe termination
On the 9th ofMarch, 1870 Mr.. Polk made his inaugural