The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1845-10-01

| After morning services concluded the Score
approved The President called the house to order
and said that the unfinished business of yerterday would
Mr. CoMsrocK read application from an aged cler
gyman in the western part of the State to be put the
list of aged and narm clergy which was referred
to the trustees OF this fund for aged and nfrm clergy
men.
ons limiting me number OF delegates from each church
one clerical and one lay delegate And notion the
| subject was laid
proposed yesterday to the amendment Of Judge Oakley
Of the 10th canon Of the church. which follows
Resolved, That this Convention without expressing
any opinion the legal and canonical questions grow
ing out sentence pronounced by the Court Of Bsh
be valid until declared otherwise by some Competent
tribunaD look with confidence to the General Conven-
on at its next session, for the adoption of measures
which shall eectually relieve the diocese of New York
in its present emergency"
Doctor WAIswkicHr then offered an amendment to
the amendment ofthe Secretary by striking out all after
the word resolved, and inserting
Whereas this Convention, with bitter sorrow for
the exgency which renders necessary the expression
of such convictions and in full recognition of the
pendent responsibility Of the Bishop for any of
belief ofthe trial and sentence of the Right
Rev B. 7. Onderdonk, has been and is such
would render injurious to tho church in this diocese
any which might tend to his resumption Of
this office of its Bishop and the sacred functions thereto
pertaining but inssmuch as the conscientious opinions
and feelings OF this Convention render at imprac
tcabe the expression Of this conviction in formal
luton, therefore
Of Bishop T. Onderdonk to this diocese be referred to
the decision of the General Convention
Mr. WAINWRIGHT prefaced his resolution by few
marks. He wished to have the ground which he
pied known to his friends of them asked him last
evening" with some sgnifcancy how he stood on the
subject He then spoke of the moekness and submission
which has characterized the Bishop since the sentence
having frequently him in his private capacity since
He heard him utter express opinion
ing those who had been instrumental in obtaining his
conviction He is not in favor Of the immediate restora
ton of the Bishop but is impossible to say what may
between
General Convention and looking to the present state OF
the diocese if his suspension were drawn he would be
ready to receive him butt notwithstanding he felt him
self called upon to express his present feelings.
Rev Dr. WHlrEHousE took the floor and said, that the
resolution stands in the shapeofa moral he
hoped and its adoption Now the time for such
resolution to be passed and to escape from the position
in which unfortunately placed; and BESIDES this
resolution is calculated to assuage all bitter feelings
I the subject
Dr. McVcKAR yields to no man in his ardent desire to
see the matter settled in manner that will unite all
hearts, but he cannot vote for the resolution in question
because it contradictory and inconsistent in itself The
dos ocby are ss
ators III within our power to propose remedy for
err let the subject 60 to higher tribunal He concluded
by saying he could not vote for the resolution.
graduated the Convention that after all the discussion
which had taken place on the canons there ques
ton Of the main point being settled He hoped that
the subject He said that this resolution passes the BIZ
snop entitled to his full salary until the question be
1
Mr. JAY said that he would not refuse to cooperate in
any measures that he conscientously thought would
for the welfare OF the church but this question
Of the moral influence Of the clergy the world, he
could make sacrifices They came here prepared to
hs 0d
had wished to put in the shape of moral but
by the action Of the majority in muzzlng debate they
had been compelled to to the canoncal question
They had not been allowed to submit the naked ques
ton, and they were compelled to move amendment
to one OF the resolutions The head OF the diocese was
suspended for immoralties that would disgrace lay
man, and yet, is it asked that such should be
stored They had replied that such is not the
He (Mr. jay would say, that in quarter of the
church, this man had been held up as prosecuted
ask public expression Of opinion on this subject EG
forts had been made by religious journals and printed
had been circulated declaring that his restora
ton would be blessing to the diocese, and after such
acts would any lone say there to fear 2
Public opinion had been condemned in this house,.
This fair subject for the opinion OF the world He
did not think that the punishment of Benjamin T. Onder
donk cause for the diocese to clohe themselves in
sackcloh and ashes We are not called to do he
an individual case and We might mourn with him.
but the diocese was not to be condemned because
member fell off The sin rested on the offending
HIRAM KrrcHuM next addressed the meeting. He said
ne thought they all agreed in one thing that this
who 0s s
is actual state What is duty towards late
diocesan1 Shall we crush him say no. Shall we
cover up his offences and seem to sympathze in his
guilt say no to that also; but what shall we dot He
private Christian and as private Christians shall
sympahlze with him and remember him with kindness
will relieve his endorsements and do all TO
open for him the gates of everlasting life That
private duty but acting in corporate character
not to speak for ourselves speak for the Holy
Church. and IN that capacity must assume grave
stand All the committee have said is true He knew
from his experience, that all the institutions OF
church were paralyzed and who has brought 1t
to that state : BENJAMIN 4. onderdonk An now
| actions, fshall we, as church, not have word
Of censure to say Individually we have no right
but as corporate we have The tribunal under which
he was tried was as just any in the world The gen.
tleman from West Point had denounced public opinions
h,kac had hnnt hxvtn
town. this is instance in which the of the world
sustained the Of the tribunals and does any
op had beenlfair, he had labored twenty days
and he might almost say nights The result had not
earth to nully the sentence' The gentleman here clos
ed with address to the reverend clergy in which he
begged them to consider the situation in which they
placed themselves, viz; as profession anxious to hide
Benjamin T. Onderdonks faults He referred to the cir
cular that had been issued, and which recommended
| them to vote down all debate. He asked them what
they would think of any other legislative body
ing such stand1 He asked them what they would say
| to their congregations when they returned
Hon. JOHN c. SPENCER next addressed the chair. He
said that if any doubts had previously existed in his
tleman who spoke last. The gentleman had said that
this the first council that had assembled since the
sentence of the Bishop; and were they to separate with
out word of censurel We had now, said Mr. Spen
GER, arrived at the pith and Of this questions
and appeared to be summed in the desire to rebuke
Judge DuER here asked the chair if the subject under
discussion the resolution or the speech Of the last
i gentleman.
| Mr. SPENcER.-I rise to ask the chair
Judge DuER.-I must have the floor Cries of order
orderly Iwish to know resolutions speeches to
| be discussed
The CHAM decided that inasmuch as the speech re.
ferred to the resolution that Mr. Spencer order
Mr. SPENCER then proceeded. He thought the gentleman
had grows very astidous the subject of order all of
sudden and went on in quite lengthy speech and by
asking the Secretary to read all the resolutions show
| that they were called on to revote in the
form of preamble what they had rejected in resolu
ton He dsclaimed any authority in this Convention to
4 ke he BshOD. from his nee 1.
and because the first Convention that has met
since his trial, must wrankle his wounds afresh
/ The gentleman spoke at great length in support Of
his views and went great deal Of the ground that
has been plenfully poughed up during this Conven
ton.
Col. MONROE arose to question personal to himself
He had been alluded to by the last speaker who was
the habit Of keeping the floor until his tongue tired
lie now called upon him to DO him he Justice to say