The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1845-09-30


The names Of the Clergy called and no Of them
voted of which 81 were in the affirmative; and SO in the
negative.
The Laity voted in parishes there ll3 votes east
two-thrds OF which would be 76but 81 only voting in
the Affirmative the question was therefore lost and must
60 over 10 next Convention.
The following clsrgymen voted in the Affirmative
Rev Aiessrs A6ercrombie, Adams Andrews' Beach
Creighton Curtis. Davis 8. Davis Diiler, ,wdney, Ed
ward Evans. B.. Evans Forbes. Fowler, Gibson Hack
ley, Haght, Halsey Hartman, Haskina, Hawley, Hen
ry, Hiebee Hughes Hunter Jackson, d v. M. Johnson
L. N; Johnson, w. L. Johnson, C. Jones Livsrmore
Lyell, Mallaby, Marcus, Mcvckar, Mead Metcalf Mel
ldoler Morris, Munroe, Nichols. Noble, Padu Park
Peters. Price Richmond sayres seabury selkirk She
ton, Sherwood, DR. Sherwood j. c. Smith, Q. ii. Smith
Southard spoonsr Stewart, Theyer, Thomas Traver
futile living. Van Kleeck, Van Rensselaer,, Vinton
Wainwright, Waller. Ward, Washburn, Wheaton, Wins
NArEs.--Rev. Messrs Adds, Anthem, Baker, Balch
Barlow gssrs Bede i.i Bsown Burchsr chaunsey
Jones, Lewis, Messenger, Dr. Moore, Newman Page
PartIage, Poned, Powell shimeall Dr. smith, Mr. Stars
DR.. Turner Tying, Whitehouse, williamson Goddard
Nsyes.ss
The Convention then adjourned to 6 O'Clock.
At six O'Clock the House called to order and the
Secretary read the second proposed amendment to the
10th canon, in the following words -
But in all where in the opinion of the standing
committee acts of the Episcopal Office are necessary
for or within this diocese during vacancy in the Eps
from the ohe Bishop the Standing or
shall invite Bishop of this Church to perform such acts
the expense OF which will be provided for by the Con.
Jso. q. SPENCER proposed to lay this amendment on
the table on the ground that it is the in substance
to the 3rd resolution
A MEMBER would like to know if Mr. Spencer acts un.
der the advice OF the committee.
MIR. SPENCER said he did.
The question OF lay ing the smendmeo, nm tho table
was then put and carried
The SECRETARY then read the fourth emsndmeut pro
posed to be made to the same canon.
rms convention being deeply sensible of the zard
Gus condi ION OF the diocese and q the absolute
" OF some eectual and permans being made
for the performance OF Episcc al acts therein
Hssolveh mat the delegates from this diocese, in
IA
efforts TO obtain the Cement OF such canons by the
~ NJ oVnvsioh as Are adapted to the of
usn OF ahother WIZ full Episcopal authority in himself
peuGsn." @ NoP "1''Ae ms '"'
JUDGE oARLxy enquired of the chairman IL the COM
mse sed to address the convention, as he (Judge
,S ~, >out TO propose an amendment II is evde Mt
AZ "a Judge o. that the gentleman who proposed
hendmont are looking to the restoration OF the BIZ
to the exercise of his episcopal func tons; he iners
Eat 10 the object OF the committee to amend the ca
Aon as TO make 1t apply to the of q suspended BIZ
shop, and the election of an assistant bishop, to
take charge of the diocese during such suspension
and are evidently looking forward to the action of
the general convention when that convention would
clearly that looking to the restoration Of the Bshop
as aprscticabe event do not hesitate say that
TO sever the connexion of the Bishop with the
the end of the resolution the following:-
But IN the judgment this Convention no modifca
ton OF the said canon shall be made which in any con.
tngency, would lead to the restoration of the Rt Rev
D. T. Q. to his former episcopal and ministerial func.
Convention that such restoration never take place
with any prospect Of usefulness to the church Of God"
IL will be conceded all hands that the facts on
Which the late Bishop tried and convicted are true
no man in this body that he ought be restored
dviduals thought that if the charges were true they
were not OF that serious magnitude would lead to his
SUSPENSION but those feelings have subsidized do not
OF course mean to consider the question whether there
any ground Of doubling the truth those charges
sufficient for me that they have been disposed by
the proper authority, but large number do believe
them and think that the Bishop be restored after
being convicted on them. About the sentence great
many oier put OF the propriety Of the conviction they
have no doubt and consider whether he is Bishop or
not still he ought not to be the Bishop of this do.
cese, and that portion who believe the conviction was
proper cannot ever acquesce in any course which has
the restoration of the Bishop in view and the committee
ought to sok for the restoration of the Bishop
) =. SPENCER thinks the amendment offered substi
tute for the proposition of the majority The one is ad-
dressed the Bishop and the other to this
ana only change OF tactics and is in effect the PROPOSE
uon submitted by Christ Church. Jamaica, and the
thurch OF the Ascension, and they all the
end having IN view the resignation of the Bishop This
steers clear OF Of the objections in the but
has tue spirit OF the main obecont addresses its opn-
ions III manner to the conscience of the Bishop and is
therefore subject to the objection already made The
Phaseoogy OF the amendment is thatno modification in
&c Now, what is meant by any contingency? TIE Rec.
tor 81 ST Thomas has put upon the ground that
state OF things as would render the duties of the
Bishop uniruitiul in the diocese but for myself
DO not possess intelligence foresight sufficient to say
.nat no contingency can ever happen would justify
the restoration OF the Bishop Suppose by possibility
that 1t might turn out that conviction procured
upon nisstatements upon testimony wholly mistaken
we Know that our civil courts iull of such cases of
persons being executed upon testimony which turned
OUT 10 DC iaise would not such contingency justify his
fes'orauonf cannot go beyond the present m oment
cannot assume the prerogave OF judging OF the future,
that Ia 40 contingency whatever could such state
thi,gs arise would justify the restoration OF the
Bishop Have not heard Of being tried the
most conclusive evidence which afterwards turned out
70 be iasel Your blood would cold to read ny
cases there the books OF men being executed upon
testimony which at the time did not admit of shadow
rtqdW cav.
lug their box and which aerwa proved TO be false
ana are we to say by votes that nothing of the kind
can occur in this TO change the aspect of this
Iais amendment ventures farther than go, and
cannot see how is possible to vary it goes the
principle, that no contingency arise in all time to
come TO justify the restoration of the bishop dare not
shy that even admitting the truth of the charges, the
pure an bameless life which he has spent and which
received the commentator of people every sphere of
e and after suffering the utmost extent Of excrucat-
ing pam and SORROW dare not say that such man may
Judge oAKLrr desires to make tie amendment as &C.
eepsoe as possible to the gentleman although he does
not see much force in his arguments he will strike out
the words shall BE- made. ana insert that mod caton
'"sm 10 ee made, Which; ~ any contingency, &c.
not at all alter the pssncpe Of the amendment put il
TO the gentlemans anhess to say, he does not mean
thnt the bishop can never be restofedi
Rev w. BALcH, OF St Bartholomew, has been for
seven years connected with this diocese and
sidered II his duty to occupy time of Convention
and does not now intend make large drat upon their
tlmei but there points upon winch he is
strained speak have ympatn,lc It'll tn. hair in
the siHnous duty imposed upon bear witness to
the zeal vita whsh that duty discharged. allude
10 the latitude with WHICH allowed the debate to
DC cssiisd On Tor H. BY sct adherence the rules Of
ofcer an impression has gone abroad in the community
that the truth was suppressed, there many say what
extent OF i,Jpry the Church would have received.
feei the'eiorc, that the Convention owes the Chair
thanks iof tho latitude he has allowed in the debate.
Again, We oil regret the state of excitement to which
tic Convention proceeded on Saturday last but " hen
the intensely exciting nature of the subject is recoect-
ed ask whether under the circumstances the Conven
uon ought to " censured. The gentleman from st
Thomas has said that the principle involved in the
amendment 10 that which above all others he sought
get an expires ion OF opinion upon; do not expect
that majority Of the Convention agree with us on this
important points this point is the ciadel where
70 ia or gam the victory the other points
outhe out"orks we tried to get expression that this
diocese vacant and that it impossible in
lure OF ihngs that the late Bishop could be restored and
had they been permitted to a on that a,le 8.
uoa IN the first instance they would have been satisfied
an wanted waste have my vote recorded