The New York herald., 1845-03-31
Trial OF "Big Thunder" and the Anti
Renters, at Hudson
Court OF Oyer and Tcrminer.

trial hat stated
his first examination he told that he stated it as
was replied, with the exception of some few declare
ons, OF no consequence think Mr.. Pierce heard me;
had seen Mr. Jordan short time BEFORE and possibly Mr.
Bush have been at those meetings; twice at Mr. Bur-
decks; was not disguised then; said about hour;
don't know that the prisoner there; the meet
ing man named Rosenberg with me we saw par.
Gel Of disguised march out noqnite one hundred to
the best of my belief; Rosenberg no relation Of mine
was at other, except that where the papers were
burned came past the smoky Hollow meeting and may
have stopped three minutes without getting out Of
wagon; did nut see the prisoner there's know him
since he was taken, not before; yes,
myself did see the gentleman before at Copsks
asked to be introduced to Big Thunder.
ArroRNEY GErERAL-Have you at any time said to
Theo Beekman that you had asked to be introduced
Big Thunder and you were taken up and introduced to
DR.. Boughton2
Mr.. JORDAN objected TO the question.
CoURr-We will take down the questions it it, we pre-
sume put for the purpose OF impeaching the credibiy
Witness Question being puD-wsll, should like to
explain on the subject
ATTORNEY GENERAL-You are to answer the question
put to you.
Mr. JoRDAr-I insist upon it he has a right answer
| it in his own language
CoURr-Yes, he has, but directly to the point.
WIrNEss-I wish to explain.
Mr. JosDAS-And my advice to you is to explain your
CouRT-Let hear the question you wish to ex-
plain as to being introduced to DR.. Boughton
| WIrrEss-Yes, sir.
CoURT-Then, sir that has nothing to do With it-an
swer the question put to you.
Mr.. JohDAN-My advice to you is not to answer:
/ aQVlco;
must answer and you on the stand should
require II too
| Mr.. JoRDAN-Then should not do it.
CouRr-Then we certainly would commit you.
Mr. JoADAN-And should apply to the Legislature
CoURr-Go on, Mr. Van BuIen.
Mr.. VAN BuREr-(To witness)-Wel what did you
WrrNEss-I would like to explain
CouRr-B ave you said so1
wrNxss-I said part of it. not the whole; have said
was iatroauesd to Dr.. b.
| CouRr-wen, you said part of it-dd you say the
other part2
| WIr,Ess-I wish to explain what did say; don't
| think asked to be introduced to Big Thunder.
MIR JoRDAN-I ask the Court now to instruct the wit.
ness that he has to explan he has answered
part Of the question in the negative and another part in
the affirmative and now wishes make explanation
| in Connection with this statement.
CoURr-It is clearly wrong upon cross-examination
| Mr.. Jordan
| Mr. JoRDAN-Ill take that down. sr-rn take that
| down.
Thunder are the same persona
WIrNEss-I should think not.
Root ny ever .Oa
WIrNEss-l nave no recollection of having said so,
that believed have recollection Of any such
vsrsation.
Isaac Coon, swornI was at Cepake Dec. llth and
saw the Sheriff coming out OF Sweets tavern, after din
afraid" he repeated he not he highly honor
ed az Lafayette with the exception OF laying the carpet
hired hand OF Hugh Bans called Cooper my business
was nothing only to 60 and see; have known Walter
shaver four or i've years; am well acquainted with him
and have seen him at different places shoemaker
tsade when went to the door of the dining room
in Sweets took Water Shaver by the arm; was ar.
rested for participating in these disturbances.
DBrRIcT ArroRrEY-You may 60, sir.
Mr JoaDAs-Dont 60 just yet, sir When were you
wIrNEss-I was arrested in Philip Fregh's store, by
Thomas Sedgewick think they call him can't tell
that S then S so
nave beea II or ls yosrs shoemaker working little
Mr.. JoRpAN-Now, do you think sir, a shoemaker can
tell the age and quality OF pair Of boos 20 feet distant
better than another man
| The ATTORNEY GENERAL objected to going into this
again.
Mr. JoRDAr-I only want to ascertain scientific fact
Coy.anpsrhsps !, =. well matser'
Mr. JoRDAN-Then we are to understand that all this
fummery have had about boots to 20 for nothing
and hope the Jury will notice this.
discharged
WILLARD GREoes, sworn-I live in Rensselaer, county
have known Dr. Boughton six or seven years; never
heard OF him practising as physician; think his charac
ter is good.
Cross-eramned-I a farmer and have kept public
house was subr9naed here heard two men, repre-
senag themselves from the anti association
inviting Dr. Boughton, on election day, to come down to
these men were heard their names but for forget ,hsy
sad they lived in this county, have been at one anti
rent meeting in Rensselaer, countyi none in this:
Isaac Coor recalled-I remember to have heard the
Sheriff say at Copake that he was as good antrenter
Amos Jorrs-I am Justice of the peacelat Stephens
town for about eleven years have known DR.. Bough
ton for about seven and his character and
is good, far have heard don't recollect ever
heard him sing have been At his place, and she to
Cross eramined-I never heard of the Doctor being In
dcted for forgery; have those indians in different
places have been at a meeting at Ants village be-
lieve they called it general training.
Evidence here closed the part OF the prisoner. On
the part Of the people, counsel again called
JANIS Nc ARrHuR-I was on the ground when they set
Mr. JeRDAr objected again going into those matters
The AIToarEr GENERAL stated their object was to
man called Big Thunder seen while DEB was in citizens
show this
Mr.. JoRDAr--I thought all the evidence as to identity
was closed the part Of the prosecution: however,
will not object, if they anxious this point.
The CouRr was of opinion that the course regular
WIrNEss-I there at the burning Of the papers and
saw the efgy after it was in the ring; could not
pole noticed the man called Little Thunder by his caps
J saw John T. Bush at Gallatn; saw DR.. B. but doni
know he spoke to Bush.
Cross eramined-I knew the prisoner a. Dr. Boughton;
Several persons were in the room at Gaatin well
DR.. B.
the ehgy and saw 1t brought into the ring by two
three men in disguse was Little Thunder that ordered
the natives closed up around III did not see the man
there known as Big Thunder. thstday.
Cross ssamined mean they closed the circle which
broken up little think there 10 90, per-
haps more, In disguise there.
PETER 8. BURosR sworn-I was in this city On the
night Of the llth December; saw the Sheriff that
4rr'r GEr.-sats the conversation you had with the
Sheriff about this transaetion.
Mr.. JoRpAN-Oh, stop
CouRr-What do you propose to show, Mr.. Van Bu'
rent
Arr'r GErsRAL stated his object to show by the de-
Of the Sheriff this OCCASION Immediately after
his return from the meeting that the sherrs views and
feelings regards the transactions Of the day. those
Of who had been msltrsated, and sensible Of
IL although the opposite had been alleged BY the other
side.
The Coupr allowed tho evidence with few appro.
PIRATE remarks as to the necessity Of adherng to the 90
sential points of the trial
wrSE"-The Sheriff appeared to be somewhat out Of
humor from the treatment he had received.
Crsss-sraminei-He appeared to be excited.
Mr.. JoRpAN-How did he show II.
WnNEss-Like any other man.
Mr.. JoRpAr-I don't know how any other man appears
when excited-tell us how he was excited.
WITNKa-From his appearance.
Mr.. J-What was his appearance.
WIrrEn-E~ced Qaughter.)
ConSsL,us BonrLE, swornI was in the District Ator-