The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1845-12-20
Effect Of the close OF the oregon Negotiations
In England and France.
from Winners Liverpool Times, Dec. al


From Winners Liverpool Times Dec Al
The news from the western shores OF the Atlantic
recently, has excited more than ordinary interest =
The "Great Western" on her last "trip, brought
home document which created nearly as mucn
amazement il shell had been Unexpectedly thrown
with hostile intent. into friendly citadel. The
number OF the Washiagton Union which claimed
the whole OF Oregon for the United States, and re-
pudated all negotiation on the sabec, was scanned
with painful feellngs-waS presumed 10 speak the
sentiments of President Polk, and to foreshadow the
tone OF the forthcoming Message. The effect was
such as we have described II. War and all its odlous
horrors stared every one in the face There appear
ed TO be no escape from lt.-no loop.hoe lett by
which an honorable exit could be made. Men move
IN masses-thnk and sympathise In herds and
" thoughts that breathe and words that burn" ssu-
ing simultaneously from thousand lips, show how
readily, under provocatlon, subserylent
passion. The poet has finely portrayed Ii:
Honor thou blood. stained god,
At whose red altar sit war and homicide
On to what madness will insult drive thy votaries
WrIthng under the influence of this excited feel
ng, The Caledonia arrived on Friday, with intelli-
gence week IN advance OF the Great Western,
and tn nature of her dispatches had an emollient
| effect on the national impulse, which now beats
again with comparative coo.ness Ii was then found
that the article IN The official paper not under
Stood by those on the spot, 10 havaAn official char
! acter--that Mr.. Polk had not yet thrown away the
| scabbard--that the wings, with their three P s.
peace, prosperity, and progression''-were mimi
| cal to war, and that Mr.. Webster, al Boston, had
made speech oil a pacific and elevated character,
in which appeal 10 physical force on the Oregon
question was denounced as folly and madness.
We nave before stated, and the repetition at the
present time is almost superiuous, that, regards
| England people here care ule in what way the
| Oregon Dispute may be patched up; the value OF the
territory is hardly rated beyond pins fee, and
right GLAD would be the thinking, Intelligent portion
o! the country, if the 10Th parallel OF latitude
would hit the views aud the taste of the American
government and people The annoyance, the irr-
tttlon, arises OF what conceived to be the
Outlying spirit with which the United States
claim Is advanced, which naturally wounds
tonal pride, and creates frame OF mind little cal
culated to produce amy or end in forbearance. The
refusal OF the President to refer the dispute TO arbl
tration, looks like "ioregone conclusion" and is
pointed to proof that the worst may still be APP
pretended IRON obstinate councils.
1t has trdnspired durng the last day or two, that
Mr.. Polk has repeated to the English cabinet the
offer which they have rejected two three times
vide the territory by the 49h parallel of north lati-
tude, and that they still adhere TO making the Co.
lumba the boundary, each nation being free of its
waters. Il is our curse to have monopoly of some
kind or other, always 10 fight for or to defend;
4" vested interest about which the people in the ag
gregate know and care as much AS cow does for
astronomy The nation, if noses had been counted,
would have accepted this otter by an overwhelming
majority but then the interests of the people, and
thetneress OF powerful incorporated company
dlyerge, and the government, like harsh step
mother, pets the avorlte and plumbers the family.
1t is painful to speak of warlike preparations IN
the same breath that we refer TO a nllsundersand-
ing with friendly country, as it savors somewhat
OF the Nllieslaa mode OF settling controversary
with uphfteo ghiileah. But the fuss and pother-
the activity and lncessant energy which prevail III
the English dockyards, the surveying the coast and
The steam nayy--all indicate black cloud"
somewhere; II may be in the west or In the SOUTH
but the "powers that be- seem to be impressed
with belief that events transparent enough to
make this activity and outlay necessary Captain
Austin visited Liverpool last week, by orders of the
Admiralty, to guage the capacity OF the first class
steamers as regards the carrying OF heavy metal.
The British and North American, the West Indian,
ana other yesse Is have undergone similar inspec-
ions. Gu mafoi Coming events cast their sha-
dows betore; and prayer is, that all this horrl
bic making ready tor the worst may prove super
fiuous and that the .events, wiateyer they are, IN
which they have their origin, may "come like
shadows, so depart"
From the London Standard, Nov %
The noise about the Oregon territory is plainly
increasing III the United States; but notwithstand-
ing the swell OF cltmor, there will be serious
consequences from IT, They who will ultimately
decide the question well know that, to the States,
war-aye, twelvemonths campaign
would bring rum and speedy dissolution to the
Common wealth. and this danger they will not incur
tor the sake OF the Oregon territory, which is OF just
as little worth to the transatlantic republic as 10
ourselves. Goldsmith 1--WE think 1t is in the Citl-
zen OF the World") indignantly denounces The SIN
and folly OF Great Britain and France carrying a
destructive war about . few acres OF snow IN
Canada" Great Britain and France, however,
might IN the middle of the last century
old established, powerful, well compacted, and
populous states, they at least safe at home.
The United states, however, have none OF these
assurances-they do not constitute an old or COM
pact or even populous state Tor the mass OF their
people Is reduced to fourth OF Its numerical power
by the vast extent OF territory over which 1t is
spread, and sixth OF the population is composed OF
mplacabe enemles-indeibly marked as enemies
that Is OF black slaves And, besides sweeping their
ships from every sea, and leaving them without a
seaport, the war which their DULLES pretend to
threaten would eventually come home to their own
doors; and what Is 10 be the prize OF this lew
thousand square miles OF snow Not SO much some
thousands OF miles of terra incogntta Democratical
absurdiiy wlll 20 greatway, but II Will notgo quite
so lar as encounterng risks great tor an object
contemptibo. But II the Oregon territory Is so
htte worth war TO acquire 1t, 1t may be
asked, is 1t not as little worth defending! We
answer, no; and the real motive OF the American
clamor will explain the reason OF our answer The
real motive OF the republic hatred and jealousy OF
England. They do not want the Oregon territory
Tor themselves, Tor they have already ten times as
much land as they can occupy and this western d.
vision presents no advantage for cultivation equal 10
the advantages possessed by the boundess wastes
OF the interior. They want 10 wrest the Oregon
from us, not that they themselves may have IT, but
that we may not have IT, They witness with angry
and jealous eyes the rapid progress OF population and
OF general Improvement IN the Canadas and the
other British provinces. They know that direct
and open communication with the Pacific would IN
| hnItely accelerate the advances n wealth and
strength OF their northern neighuorstheretoie they
want TO cut Ills oil from the western coast This Is
their object, and II shows the importance 10 some ex-
tent OF the Oregon territory U.S. however worth less
IN other respects for "a right way isequally vaua
bic whether the path be rocks sterile sand, or,
the richest and BEST cultivated ground The threat
ened movement is aggressive IN all respects, ag-
gresslve IN motive, and aggressive IN tact and az
sresslon may be wisely resisted even though there
ls nothing valuable 10 defend There Is another
good reason why the United States viii OF GO to
war Tor the Oregon-they cannot conquer II, and
what is more they know that they cannot conquer
it. The very same circumstances to which they
owe their own success In "the OF lndepen-
dence," namely, the distance Of the aggressor from
his resources, and the wild lnhospitahty OF bound
less desert country, must defeat them in any at
tempt upon the Oregon; With the possession OF
Il IL - - H.