The New York herald., 1845-04-26
Dissraccful Squabble in the State Legislature.
The Fierce Democracy In a Snarl.
ASSEMBLY. April %. IS45.


The Fierce Democracy in a Snarl.
ASSEMBLY, April %, 1S45.
MIR. BAILEY called for the consideration of the motion 10
print fifteen times the usual number Of copies OF report
OF Mr Homstock, against Convention:
Mr. BAILEY said he regretted thet he felt called upon on
tae question OF printing to reply to some things that fell
from gentlemen yesterday on the passage OF the
marks were directed at him, but Others with whom he
was proud 20 be associated politically The words lrea
son. traitor and foul coalition, applied that
sioh 70 portion OF the democratic mem floor
and that 100 by gentlemen that lie sAouli think would
be the last 70 resort such language under the ci,cu
stances The gentlemen from Oneida who nude this 70.
mark (Mr comstcck) seemed mortified to find that expe
diency and management had not availed him. that
men would follow the dictates OF their conscience in spite
MIR. L. H. BAowr did understand the gentleman from
Oneida as using any such language.
Mr.. BALEs said the gentleman from Oneida was of age
and could answer for himself
Mr. CcmsrocK said, if the gentleman desired an answer
hewou'd state that no did not use that language
Mr.. BAILEY alluded TO the gentlemans report.
son is used In the report Z
MIR. BAmEY-AbendoDment of the democratic party
werethe words used.
MIR. CoMsTocK did say that.
Mr. BAILEY said he gave the spirit of the remark
though perhaps little too sensitive in his construction
OF it. He told us he not opposed TO Convention if
one point hsd been Yielded AMI yet, sir, the whole
Convention If it is democratic to ask for amendments
tothe Constitution, and by means of Conventional
they cannot be secured otherwse ask who have prov
ed themselves traitors to the principles of democracy
He made the remark that the gentleman from Livingston
SAID that was his blvshing bride this ssion Sir
the gentleman om Oneida has long acted the bride
OF the gentleman from Livingston that he has all his
modesty, and long since ceased to blush al ALL He has
passed the age Of bushng. lie charges as sin that one
,hird OF the democrats this foor refsea 10
the pcint asked for to go with him. Sir has il. the
conscences OF these democrats in his keeping Should
man orego the oath which he haa tax that desk
submit 10 that gnemln's dictaton II he thinks s he
Is mistaken. He hts 10, found those WHO viii not
consent to follow tlndiy The dictates o. nlsre cxped
ency
Mr.. WHIrNAy-Nhat did the gentleman think about
the conscences Of hee that he wen to yesterday and
ASKED to 90 ioI Lis bill
Mr.. DALryl asked them 10 vote for it if their con-
scences approved Of it.
Mr.. wnirssY There was lAing said then about
conscience.
Mr.. BAiL.v-! have no mans conscience in my keep
ing But Mr. Speaker who are those who accuse Others
Of treason to the democratic party The very men, sir
Ysung man beloved by the whole people. am willing
to place that oct BY the side Of mine the question OF
and let the people decide who are the traitors
knew gentleman who at the beginning Of this session
against one in the Southern part Of tire State
was the question before the House'
Cries Of" 60 on" heard from oil parts ofthe House
be allowed to proceed
Mr. BAILEY contnued.-Thst gentleman denounced
this bill as anti-denocratic Then sir he denoupces
voted fr the law Of 1884, anti democratic. prefer TO
to those who voted for the law Of 1921 for nv demo
rather than to those who sought to restrict the
ton OF the people, and the resolution of the gentleman
proposed that lregretted also to hear him assault an in.
dividusl, one who is beloved by the masses No one
living in lerkimer who had once been member Of this
House Sir the gentleman is welcome to all he can make
by his assaults upon Michael Hoffman
MI NivEN said If the gentleman had got through with
ms euiogy ne would inform him that he al
Iuded to Michael Hoffman, nor to any living in Heiki
mer county.
Mr. BAmEr-l have left speaking Of him. if the gentle
man pleeses
Mr. coMsrocK regretted that any thing he said yester
day should have disturbed his very worthy friend from
Pupsm Here;retted that that gentlaman's feelings on
this occasion were not mere in harmony with the
which plead guilty He says defeated Col. Young I
plead guilty to the charge did do what could to bring
about sna result take back nothing of my actien OH
ons will admit that then di nothing but whist was in
strict accordance with party usnges.
Mr.. BArLEY.-I did not charge that you did.
nar JoMsrocx;-l mad by looking at the journal the
name OF 'Ae gentleman from Pnnsm voting for Nathaniel
Mr. BiLxY-Does the gentleman refer to the Journal OF
the Caucus?
Mt foUnG-Thst other Journal ought to be printed.
MI CoMsrocK- then happened 10 be in the majority
and ire gentle man from Putnam acted as he always
Should He submitted to the will of the mejority hope
tnerc waa no treason in that.
Mr. MonaroS.-Then you claim to be the blushinx
Arids cn inst occasion . (Laugbtsr)
Mr. CoMsrocK Il have hoard OF hi-pers of treasur bs
iorc tnis in relation to the dopgs OF that caucus will
ask the gentlemen from Putnam, if he kno whether
wes not seriously agitated by sunry tn take
the very individual then deested enl by soiug in with
the Wigs, elect him to the U. $. Senate
Mr.. BAILEY-Not at that time.
MIR. CoM'rocK-I don't know any thing about the zen
uemans distinction as 10 time.
MIR. BAnEy-There were two caucusc-, es the gentle
man probably aware, Of whch we caimad was il.
legal.
Mr. ComsrocK Il believe this House is not disposed to
go into the trial of the Dlegality of any caucus
Mr. BLosS-I hone the rv wiI IUoo 7
much to learn what are the ussges OF the democratic par
ty In caucuses-Uaughtsr)
Mr.. S.A. BaowN-Ihope not but that this kind of de.
bate will stop
Mr.. Comsrocx-I hope the House will excuse me for
gong into this question at all think the gentlemen
from Putnam very unfortunate aiming his shafts at
me. He may have meant to hit his friends from Hcrk
mer, and Toga, and Oaondsga But if he does, hope
he will not aim at in doing If he did not mean
to hit them, he very dangerous Sportsman he has
fired iato crowd and has thereby endangered some OF
his friends Sir the remarks submitted by yesterday
dd not apply with their full force to the gentleman from
Putnam. He does not occupy position in which he
could be appealed to observe the usages Of party He
cra,ic candidate and would be right to appeal to
him to support party usages He has the right to be
ratio in his course Mr. concluded ny saying that his
report ives now on the des OF the House, and he was
people.
Mr. BEvrs moved tho previous question, but il was not
sustained.
Mr. MCCARTHY regretted the necessity that compelled
him to take the floor at this time Never until yesterday
position as partzans Tor the votes which they gavc
The gentleman from Orange (Mr. Nven) who has been
most aera this session in his charges OF loc-olng and
lobby inneEcc, in ior Eve instance after stsrtiug
oae way ON bull has gone out, ard otter lobby IN
ruenc-s rave been brought 10 bssr him Euoittfd
tcl and back thus Ho use and voted tbs ether
way.
Mr; Nwev-WiD the gentleman spe.ify the bills on
which have thus &C ei7
Mr. MCCARTHY Il no ccrtisrsr; bill Is one
Mr. NivrS rh- gcntis man 7.stes what is false.
Mr. MoC,.rHr-The House Ill Judge on that point.
Mr.. j.. ii Bnow, very hsppy 10 say that his CON
scierc. was net troubled in this matter As TO our eau
csses wss 7os'ihe that some hings that hauspired
there should rot rcsoh whg earr and possibly fall from
whig lpl IL .wenty ianr hours Bot these things
not proper frheo of remark here lie voted Tor this
convention bill with relucrncc bu. with convictions Of
duty.
Mr. CHASE said that question never came up in causus
at oil.
Mr.. L. H. Daowr would not 60 into tho caucus proceed
ing.
Mr.. McCAsrnr-who voted against that amendment
Mr.. L. II. Bnowr-I did.
Mr.. I RLEr-I did. And several others answered
the same way)
Mr. You've inquired II it would be proper to answer
seratim 2 Vaughter.)