The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1845-03-07
Rev. MIR. stillweil's Lecture I'm Reply to the
Catholics.

Catholics.
Our reporter went TO the Chrystie street Chapel,
on Sunday evening, Tor the purpose OF reporting
Mr.. StlwelI's discourse, which had been advertised
and which was expected to be, in point OF ability
at least, in some degree worthy OF comparison
with, and in tone and temper by all means equal
to, those to which it purported to be reply. Il
were but fair to give publicity to Mr. S!lllweirs
discourse as well as those "on the other side, "
and as it is not our intention to do SO, some ex-
PLANTATION may be useful.
The reverend gentleman, in the first place, is a
most infellcitous speaker. Whether praying,
preaching, or reading divine s0ngs-where plety,
poetry and persuasion all unite to produce the con-
traryhis utterance is rapid hurried, and atogeth-
er too ppant for any serious subject; above all for
the weighty truths Of religion. Where an exube.
rance Of ideas, prolcacy OF thoughts, impels
into more than common activity the organs oil
speech, 1t Is not accompanied by any unpleasant
Impressions on persons OF good taste, for they per-
ceive the cause OF II, and that's sufficient to redeem
faults twice grave; but the loquacity of him who
talks and talks without method, design, or regard
TO, the time and understandings of his hearers is
in,olerabe. Mr.. Stlllwell's discourse was com.
posed principally of extracts from the lectures OF
Bishop Hughes and DR.. Ryder, as published III thu
Herald; the remainder consisting OF running com
mentary OF his own thereupon; but the extracts
we're so frequently made use of, SO glibly comment
ed upon-so mixed up with each other and re-
mixed with random shot from himself-and all
this was done with such haste and flppancy, that
it is not going too far to say that few could under
stand it and none could write it,
II appeared to the reporter. who gave his undlvi
ded attention to the lecture, that Mr.. Stiwell did
not exactly adopt the best plan OF directly replying
to the discourses he referred to-. After the plain
ness OF his language in his other discourse as to
the Virgin Mary, there was no use in him taking
up the topic last night, when he admitted sh,
might be as holy as other women--as Elizabeth
for instance-but that her case was quite slmilas
to that OF other married women, and as to her II.
wing more abstinent, it was not to be presumed
Christ, therefore, was, by his incarnation, clothed
with body veritaby human; the scriptures die
not teach It was more spiritual than those Of his
parents; nay, II was not to follow that even were
Mary as perfect as the Catholics would have hel
to be, that her SON should be SO, for it was Otter
the case that the offspring Of vrtuous and holy pa
rents were the reverse. From all this MIR. 8. al.
gued that no latitude of reasoning should prevail
on the actions, the nature, and suerngs Of Christ
from any assumption of a difference in his human
nature from that OF mankind at large, and conse
quently the cognizance of our nses must scout The
idea OF his giving his own body to his disciples
Just tor this reason no other person could do it.
In the course OF his discourse, Mr. Stillwell, i,
reply to passage from the discourse Of BishoI
Hughes, said that it was not scriptural to enforce
the authority of 'the Church'-lO hear her-to b.
taught by her-fOr Christ never delegated his au
thority to "he Church," but still retains it, indeed
we unueIstcOo MI. Stlllwell to say that there wa
no such thing as the Church Of Christ in ex-
istence, out that every person was to take
his own course, and regard himself as with
out any obligation to be member OF tn,
one eve 50 ppon he Bb nc kept The as other
the Lord and Savior Of the world Is this them the doc
trine Of Proestants 10 not and Mr.. Stlwe did well
cd S;n n snna WIN an aamonnon 20 ms nSarer'
tons.
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together unscc1untaols: In reading that text from
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