The New York herald., 1845-03-30
Trial OF Big Thunder" the Anti-Renter
at Hudson.
Court OF Oyer and Termlner.
AFTERNOON SESSION.

DANIEL GKoAT, sWorn-I have seen DR.. before tn %
Copake STAR and heard him speat at the meeting
fortnight be'ore he spoke there saw the who
perorme as Big Thunder lth Dsc.i thought he
taller man by or inches than DR. b. he large
coarse bonsd man; don't suppose there 10 much differ
s~ce between him and Sheriff Miller: he appeared to be
tall man, well roportoned and straight fron what
saw don't think il was DR. , don't know as have
any doubt about it not being DR. b.: was present when
the Sheriff delivered up the papers heard him he
fear but rather than have then taken force should
yield them willingly; that at Deckers; heard Big
riff sntrenter; think he called for three cheers
for the Sheriff Of Columbia county, as he coed anti
rent man; when he said this he was three feet from him
probably; don't know the Sheriff made any reply;
did not hear him. was likely three yards from him;
Big Thunder said the Sheriff should not he assaulted or
stvely; there the ground when they are to
the straw; didn't hear what B Thunder said them
busy with the image; was about rod distant believe
Big Thunder was there at that time; l heard another
speech at Burdeck's from DR.. B.
Mr.. JoRDAN-What did DR.. Borghon say7
DIsr. ATTORNEY objected to that.
Mr. JORDAN replied that the other side had gone into
what Dr. said in his address, and he claimed the same
CeuRr-we are for excluding this altogether what
said by Dr. B. other occasions has nothing do
with the case and we do not recolect that the prosecu
ton has submitted what Dr. B. may have said in his
speeches ss evidence Aor do We think proper to admit
II in either case.
WIrrEss-I saw the sherin drink brandy in the ring .
did not observe if he appeared pleased not
asked him how he liked the performances he said he
,n than ne pig
any reply by the Sheriff.
meeting about the size OF the Sheriff don't recol-
ect the size Of the Big Thunder the rst Copake
called al the first meeting standing outside Of the
ring there we're q good many there was the
ground when they got there and got near they
formed what they caf1 obong square the Sheriff
said he would not give them unless they would say
they intended commit violence to his person they vo
ted on the subject when Big Thunder said did not
say the question: he said they were
OF no conseqnenceto to them was after this heard the
Sheriff asked hsw he was pleased with the performances
rather think It was Stephen Decker asked him all the
Indians about him then after the delivery of
the papers that Big Thunder told him he would not
him hurt have told Mr.. Jordan what could tes
tfy to: Mr.. Storms asked me today If the who
could prove that Big Thunder and Or. B. at
enc time have never been in disguise live with my
wife, at Copake had no express business at Copaks
Shat day
CALVIN WILLIAMS sworn-I live at Copake about four
miles from Sweets tavern; live Mary Livingstons
lot; Copake the day the papers were burned;
had DR. B. before that about two weeks at Copake
Flats at the meeting there and couple ofhours after al
Bains tavern; Il about II O'Clock when was at Co
pake on the lth was not to the 'nstives" when the
straw was burned noticed the man called Big Thunder
with the Sheriff. they were quite closes took Big T. to
be little the allest; he pretty heavy man; he was
rather more high headed than Dr. B. heard them
ma. as sheriff Miller for se va. good al anren,er; %s
did not hesrhe sherfsay anything to this went home
CrossIamined-I noticed lBig T. and Judged him to be
a little taller than the Sheriff, think Little T. had fea
theirs bis cap; never saw Dr. B. with disguise that
the sheriff had not given hi. papers willingly but feiuc
tintly; doat know where Big r. went after that.
CHARLss vAr DsuzGr recailed-I don't recollect any.
thing further said In the ring.
DAVID RHoDv sworn-I was the ring when the
papers burnt the called Big Thunder said the
and remember him at the ballot box in the store
Of Mr. Runnels when they lwerc burning the image I
did not notice If there chief there; saw Dr.
think, in Bain tavern then-he in citizens dress
wasat vosbergs and could hear what said between
the sheriff and indians there nothing said about
blood there was At Deckers when the papers were
handed over understood him to say he not afraid
ii all their pistols pointed at aim He said he want
ed to have understood that he gave them up under
hreats-tha they wanted to do violence his person
Of Albany Rsnsssissr and schoharie the snsri then
him from selling and that he wished return he said
he thought rather hard to give up the papers-thsy
Of value to him those who got themthat II
they took them the atornes had copies could issue
new ones the sh rim then asked them If they would
commit violence on hu person. Ne made him answer,
but addressed the Natives" saying not custom.
airy tor chief exercise mach authority without the
consent Of majority Of the Natives y but before the
vote was taken. the sheriff said don't give them
up, what will you do"-he then asked them signify by
holding mp the right hand they to have pers
and the hands were not more than up when the sheriff
them up; the ground he said that they intended to
commit Whence on his person
Cro., snamned i was not looking on at the ring more
than minutes, when the image burned hes rd the
Sheriff state yosbershs that he had levied adver-
tsed and was ths premises to SELF Big Thunder
said he forbid the SALE something like that; he had
sword pistol in his hand; did not Dr. B. and Big
Thunder at the same time that day.
PrrER ,. scurr sworn-I was at Decker's that day !;
don't recoec that the sheriff gave any direction about
taking the vote; when II was taken the sheriff pulled out
the papers and smiled saw DR. before that day Big
Thunder was larger man-both thicker and taller ;
could not say there any difference In the sizes of the
Sheriff and Of him; think he souter man than Dr.
saw the Sheriff make motion to pour out drink
he stood with his back TO me; Big Thunder said some.
thing about remembering the Sheriff at the ballot box
words to that effect thought the Sheriff smiled on
giving the papers he did not look pale; mentioned this
Mr. s,ormslU lUhe counsel) for one; saw DR.. B. that
day. but did him in citizens dress at the time
that saw Big Thunder; never was in disguise
The Court here adjourned (nine O'Clock till halt past
eight on Friday morning The crowd in the Court Room
all day and up to the end OF the evening session
great people sitting to hear the evidence as con-
stantly as q Q jury themselves.
FRIDAY MoRrrvo, half past O'Clock.
At the opening OF the Court this morning there
manifestation of decrease OF interestthe usual crowd
collecting In the Chamber and increasing by degrees
during day Judge Parker conducts these invesga
tons with admirable punctuslity and dpatch and this
trial be got through with this week. will be greatly
owing to his judicious supervision
ALExArpsR WOODWARD swom,-I was at Copske the
day the sheriff papers were taken; the ring that