The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1845-10-03
World,s OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES n.x

was founded on the divine and able laws of nature
Mr. HAY said that his theory differed in importan,
respect from that Of Mr. Owens, inasmuch his was
of human origin, while Mr. Owen claimed that his
Of ivine origin.
said that either he would make convert Of Mr. Owen,
or Mr. Owen would make convert Of him. when he was
cut short by MIR. Rycknan calling him to order
Mr.. OWEN was about to reply when he was called to
order by MIR Ryckman, Mr.. Owen notwithstanding
nuec or some minutes longer and then read Prospec
tus OF JOINT stock company, to be formed on
principles set forth in the resolution which he pro-
posed OF which we gave an abstract in the
Herald, the lines OF the railroad with depots where
would be received the surplus population oithe cities
lie said that ne mpugned in the face of the Worlds Con
anger but in pity the world not be censured
more than those men who, from their ignorance
about to burn Galileo he commended that cannot
love or hate whom he chose. He then denounced mo-
den Legislation and said that from the conflicts
ty emsnste vars hate. and want of charity and that
right understanding of human nature would obvate all
these and the time would when truth would shine
FORTH and dpel the mists Of error and slsshood and
convert this earth into terrestrial paradise and to
bring about this state the three great which
prevail should be abolished, and the principles lais
instincts and the laws which human nature have
been opposed by the present construction Of society
culcang the three great which he has shown
exist and upon which society Is constructed
which have caused all the evils which man il af
hcted with and for extrpHng those errors, he wished
those societies to 60 into the United States
and then the Eastern world would take their from
here and in his opinion the time not far distant when
this Western hemisphere would become nato hav
ing only language, code Of laws, circuat-
ing medium and no custom houses In all his experience
he has found material difference In the character OF the
subjects of weak powers, and those of strong pow.
ers and this continent 1t is the int rest
Of every one to belong to the strongest power in
the United States and is the interest of all the weak
powers in America to unite federativey with the
United State and youw not have nth of the trou
BILE to annex them as you had to annex TexasNit
will not be even necessary to ask them-they
themselves will petition to be Incorporated with you.
He then said that the great objects which the people
of the United States should have vew should be the
clearing of the country that it could be cultivated
the draining OF the country that it would be healthy
and the cultivation of the country too, that it would
produce an abundance and these three great measures
which would conduce to the health and happiness of ALL
would be effected in eminent degree by those soce
ties which he proposed, in very short time.
Mr. Owen then said, there was science Of society as
perfect the science of mathematics it is compos-
ed OF four elements production distribution formation
of the human mind and the governing of localities,
which the natural elements of society and those ee
mens exist in disorder and in every disproporon all
the world and that in consequence society is
tanning waste of go and 80 per but in the ederative
societies. which he proposes establish there would
be proper proportion OF these elements and there will
there will be Streets lanes, alleys there
in crowded cities. but arrangements can be made to
all OF the advantages OF the most populous cities 1t
will be to ascertain how much has been done,
and can be done by human nature before form these
societies; and them the only problem will be to find the
greatest number that live together in each society
Mr.. owen sat down, and
The CHAIRMAN OF the finance committee went round
with his hat to collect money to deay the expenses OF
the Convention, but before he nd finished onehslf
more OF the assembly soped.
resolution was then passed. authorizing the chair
to give correct copies of such resolutions may be
passed
delegation Of twelve from the Croton Hall reformers
were present, who we will expect propose remedies
which II they be reduced practice will pay every
mans tailo's BILL and make these United States flow
with milk and honey
The Convention then adj ourned to two O'Clock.
AFTERNOON SESSION.
The SECRETARY called the roll and read the min utes
which adopted.
Mr. OWEN then proceeded with his Developments, and
began with proposing the question How could the
frn nvI IN nod ha ga QytHa
that means lay in abundance all round The following
simple plan was proposed THAT Joint Stock Com.
Withdrawing the population from large cities to estab
lishmens prepared for them, where education, employ
ment and recreation should be afforded Men of business
and capitalists, well of the world, had taste
for abstract questions of life; they like to all ques
sheet MIR Owen then stated the points OF the old and
new systems, placing them in contrast He did not wish
to offend professional gentlemen, who in an imperfect
state Of society necessary but who would not be
SO ina perfect To the working class he would say
they the arstecracy deserved merit for their feel
rugs, as they certainly would have been different had
their positions been reversed Force and fraud the sword
and superstition the only support ofthe evils
meIaea ana was high time to expose them and know
where we The world it Is is busy finding fault
with effects and with each other whilst all busy in
/ producing their efficient causes, not of which but
could be removed. This would be the business of the
new world One ofhe most prevalent errors of the day
upon the subject of the power that created all things
power totally unknown, for who by searching can
ind out God ~ And yet there persons ignorant
and presumpuous profess to know what were his
feelings designs attributes and will He had, he knew
touched tender chord and wished speak respectfully
but the truth he would speak, what would 1t
amystery man has not found out nor could he Why
then should it be bone of contention for thousand
years, between the armies Of the Cross and Cros
cause of the expenditure Of millions upon mil
lions, without coming one inch nearer to Him.
Mr.. DAvIs-Mr. President
PREsDENr-lfyo you want to speak, come the stand
sir (After hearing which, the speaker goes up)
MIR. DAvIs.-Mr. President, you will recolect that
| (.aughter)
PRHsrDnST.-I never knew instance in which the
President OF meeting was confined to few minutes
| (approbaon)- and wonder that considering the i'm
portance of the subject before us, any could be
found to interrupt an address upon it, (Cheers) After
a few more items the debtor side, Mr. Owen gave a
few on the credit folio great deal OF good had been
done in inducing habits of temperance in drink as
much if not might result from same efforts in
regard to eating Man given number of propensi-
ties and appetites OF which ought to be grated to
the temperance point if they are too little used dis
comfort will follow if over exercised the would
take place Before the time Of Walker, Nautilus, it
was held that the prosperity of people depended
University, although a good writer, business
man. We knew HIM well, and had reason to believe
that before his death he changed his opinions. At
period before his time, the fascy great
| he wrote it, and since then it has become plain
every day To illustrate this point the population OF
Great Britain and Ireland was then fifteen millions Phi
osophers agree that the productive classes
hye Of the aggregate which would give three millions
OF manual power. To this we to add twelve mil.
lions OF scientific power, making the whole fifteen mil
lions. At the present time the calculation gives
the manual productive power as increased to six mil
lions, while the total mechanical and chemical power
gives the enormous amount of 500 milons-showing at
glance that there is connection between the nun
Der of the population and the productive powers of
| country. Mr.. Owen concluded with sketch of his
views on the formation of character He apoogzed for
the seeming tediousness of his address alluded to his
intention OF going farther into details and inviting the
most ample dscusson-with having nothing to fear
and sure to be victorious in the field against error
Mr. ADAMS proposed resolution, which adopted
limiting speakers only in debate and allowing them ull
| swing IN stating new plan Of reform.
Another motion being made to exclude all refer ence
1 to religious subjects
Mr. OWN said he agreed to that motion, as il was fool
sh TO attack religious creeds thing he lie er did
MT HAYS Arose to object He for the entire liber
~ speak on all questions Pagan Mahomean Jewish
ina CHRISTIAN and to take the best part OF each if worth
| Il. Wos Mr.. Owen afraid OF religion1
! ippause)
Mr. COLLINS thought the mover OF the resolution die
| not understand tins Convention. He would move 10
| cave IL on the table. Carried
/ Mr. RYcKMAN offered a notion in favor of allowing
ample time 10 all persons propounding new plans anu
each plan to be discussed in the order Of