The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1845-10-01

Alter morning services were concluded the sscrs-
ssd the the .ss O. Ss which
said that the unfinished business of yerterday would
| be taken up.
gymsn in the western part Of the State to be put the
list of aged and infim cergymen which was referred
to the trustees OF this fund for aged and nrm clergy
HAMILTON FISH submitted resolution to alter the can.
limiting the number of delegates from each church
clerical and one lay delegate And motion, the
subject was laid over.
i The SECRETARY then read the substitute which he
proposed yesterday to the amendment of Judge Oakley
Of the 10th canon Of the church, which is as follows
Resolved, That this Convention, without expressing
any opinion on the legal and canonca questions grow
ing out Of sentence pronounced by the Court of Bsh
ON Bishop onderdonk (Which sentence they hold to
be valid until declared otherwise by competent
tribunaD look with confidence to the General Conven
ton at its next session. for the adoption of
which shall eectuaily relieve the diocese OF New York
in its present emergency
Doctor WArswEIGHr then offered an amendment to
the amendment othe Secretary by striking all after
the word resolved, and inserting
Whereas this Convention, with bitter sorrow, for
the exgency which renders necessary the expression
pendent responsibility Of the Bishop for any course of
action he may fit adopt does entertain the solemn
belief that the effect the trial and sentence Of the Right
Rev. B. T. Onderdonk, has been and is now such as
would render injurious to the church in this diocese
this office of its Bishop and the sacred functions thereto
pertaining, but inasmuch the conscientious opinions
and feelings of this Convention render at mprac
cabls the expression Of this conviction in formal
! luton therefore
Resolved That the whole question of the relations
Of Bishop B. T. Onderdonk to this diocese be referred
the decision of the General Convention.
Mr.. WAINWRIGHT prefaced his resolution by few
marks He wished to have the ground which he occu-
pied known to his friends of them asked him last
evening, with some signifcancy how he stood the
which has characters the Bishop since the sentence
having frequently seen him in his private capacity since
He heard him utter opinion concern
ing those who had been instrumental in obtaining his
conviction He not in favor of the immediate resora
ton Of the Bishop, but it is impossible say what may
tntor hath hio Of
General Convention and looking to the present of
the diocese, his suspension drawn, he would be
ready to receive him but notwithstanding, he felt him
self called upon to express his present feelings.
Rev Dr. WHrEHousE took the floor, and said that the
hoped and aged its adoption Now is the time for such
resolution to be passed. and to escape from the position
in which we are unfortunately placed and besides, this
resolution calculated to asuage all bitter feelings
the subject.
Dr. McvIcKAR yields to in his ardent desire to
see the matter settled in manner that will unite all
hearts, but he cannot vote for the resolution in question:
because it is contradictory and in itself The
preamble does forcby express one We are here legs
stors lf is within our power to propose remedy for
let the subject 90 to higher tribunal He concluded
! by saying he could not vote for the resolution
IN nay Heega gaze % M
which had taken place on the canons there ques
ton of the main point being settled He hoped that
moral resolution would be taken by the Convention
the subject He sad that this resolution passes the BIZ
snop is entitled to his full salary until the question be
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Mr. JAY said that he would not refuse cooperate in
any measures that he conscientously thought would
for the welfare OF the church but this question
of the moral influence of the clergy on the world he
could make sacrifices. They came here prepared to
go with the majority provided they did not propose any
had wished to put it in the shape Of moral cause but
by the action of the majority in muzzlng debate they
had been compelled to come to the canonical question
They had not been allowed to submit the naked ques
| ion and they compelled to amendment
to of the resolutions The head of the diocese was
suspended for mmoralites that would disgrace lay
man, and yet is it asked that such man should be
stored? They had replied that such is not the case
He (Mr. jay would say that in quarter of the
church, this man had been held up prosecuted
ask public expression Of opinion this subject Ef
forts had been made by religious journals and printed
had been circulated declaring that his restora
ton would be blessing to the diocese and after such
acts, would any lone say there to fear
Public opinion had been condemned in this house.
This is fair subject for the opinion Of the world He
did not think that the punishment OF BENJAMIN r Onder
donk cause for the diocese to clohe themselves in
was an individual case, and We might wit him.
but the diocese not to be condemned because one
member fell off, The sin rested on the offending
HIRAM KETcHUM next addressed the meeting. He said
he thought they all agreed in thing that this
council for the benefit of the church, to build up
is actual state What duty towards late
diocesan Shall we crush him ! say Shall we
cover up his offences and seem to sympathize in his
guilt say to that also; but what shall we dot He
is private Christian and as private Christians shall
sympathze with him and remember him with kindness
will relieve his embarrassments and do all
open for him the gates of everlasting life That is
private duty but acting in corporate character
not to speak for ourselves speak Holy
Church, and In that capacity must grave
stand. All the committee have said, true. He knew
from his experience, that all the institutions of our
church were paralyzed; and who has brought 1t
when meet for the first time after these trans.
actions, kshall we, as church, not have word
but as CORPORATE we have. The tribunal under which
he tried was as just any in the world The gen.
tleman from West Point had denounced public opinion
hntao had hann hvth n
town, this is instance which the voice of the world
sustained the Of the tribunals and does any
op had beenIair, he had labored twenty days
and he might almost say nights. The result had not
been complained OF; and what authority there
earth to nullfy the senence7 The gentleman here clos
ed with address to the reverend clergy, in which he
begged them to consider the situation in which they
placed themselves viz as profession anxious to hide
Benjamin 7. Onderdonks faults He referred to the cir
cular that had been issued, and which recommended
them to vote down all debate He asked them what
they would think of any other legislative body assum-
ing such stand' He asked them what they would say
Hon. JOHN c. SPENCER next addressed the chair. He
said that if any doubts had previously existed in his
mind they had been removed the speech Of the gen.
tleman who spoke last The gentleman had said that
this was the first council that had assembled since the
out word of censurel We had now said Mr. Spen.
arrived at the pith and Of this question;
and appeared to be summed up in the desire to rebuke
Judge DuER here asked the chair if subject under
discussion was the resolution the speech Of the last
Mr.. SrENcER.-I rise to ask the chair
Judge DuER.-I must have the floor Cries Of order
orderD wish to know if resolutions or speeches are to
be discussed
The CHAM decided that nasmuch as the speech re.
ferred to the resolution that Mr. Spencer in order
Mr. SPENCER then proceeded lie thought the gentleman
had grown very astidous the subject order all of
sudden and went on in quite lengthy speech and by
asking the Secretary to read all the resolutions to show
that they were called to re.vote in the
form Of preamble what they had rejected in resolu
ton He dscaimed any authority in this Convention to
rebuke the Bishop He is suffering from his sentence
and because we are the first Convention that has met
since his trial, must wranke his wounds afresh
The gentleman spoke at great length in support OF
his views and went great deal Of the ground that
has been SO pleniuly ploughed up during this Conven
ton.
Col. MONROE arose to a question personal to himself
He had been alluded to by the last speaker who was in
the habit OF keeping the floor until his tongue is tired