Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1845-03-01
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20 -Ou or rus MssosiAhisrs" AND "a LisrtxKa" n
rng Wns 90 ruk iiru.
WAsa undertook. some weeks since. TO defend ,h
Dysed u Va sgsnst the s.per-ions Of somc undo
ssssi Zee bs'evcd) Misrepresentation Of Others, and
49, ~ hssbse cid towards forming public opn
- sssehIss the mesis Of the question issue. had lit
- sAosght OF provoking protrse,ed discussion muei
- Z drsNiss ds~s upon myself tho ''E oanence" o
- pcsessd Rssder OF English History. signing himself
--tissww. when venturcd to criticise the memorial
u shs Bspsss II have been dlgent reader OF the pro
escdass ol c Less,ure and have not noted its prcsen
ssnon-~hy II PsbsAed) utterly diseaimed all de-
sign interfere with them and only called attention TO the
attack the motives Of the Synod, made IN the
face of ynods disclaimer; and undertook 10 explain
whsrsin the Bspss had msapprehended views and
posision.
a sseas Mesrs. Editors that however unwilling am
bsssd - terpsss your kindness mole. Any one
wks will strntively and mpartay read my structures
III Wing VI the 2lst ult, surely be miled by
shs MsmoFtsist his coadutor. But many will their
piscss, who will that, and unwilling rest
under tbs grave imputnuon oil "msrcprescnia,ions'-
sgsrbns" and "suppressio" beg the liberty therefore
o rsoinder promising the this discussion
will subsde with the adjournment Of the Legislature not to
srosbls you this subject again unless under
eaton.
snail prevent my views with reference these gentle
nee ORDER repeating TO the latter writer "A Listen
Co. what sy be noticed the production at his coadju
zoe, "One VI the Memorlsiss TO whom respectfully
ssnder the following bric suggestions I'll premise in &C.
Moral that he will do well hereafter read slowly lie
have unfortunately contracted bad habit YOUTH
vssy common IN some places, oil reading as racing The
soeI ~ ' ''''' '
l. sh. not handy descriptions with the gentleman,
having fancy for figures. la what said about 'o
ganizauon," expressly stated my Knowledge of its OBJ
jecb-l did hint that there such "hins
Baptist Church in the enlarged (eccesia)
term" do not know, by the by thai eeeiesa has that
peculiar application. However. dare chop phloogy
with gentleman whose household words Cory phaus
Empyean, &cl lie viii find my statement in parasta ph
Id OF tho "Suictures' | said the Association was an
suned organization" presumed their disclaimer OF
gsniraion TO contrast their scattered position with
ceaesntfsted position as Synod. meant To show, that
"ecclsssstica il tor ecclesiastical Missionary
and Educaion purposes and so. obnoxious all that
could be charged against Synod. The American Bible
Society 10 voluntary; the American Board Of Com for
Foreign Missions and hall such Instiutionsand
ther power whit esstned because under no &c
clesissticsl control
q did say tia, $4,000 year would not saisf,
the Memoria bn. that the portion of our Synod ii II
was divided lS5es,l would do The gen,lema n
seems hard 10 understand this The OF the
Trustees Of the Assembly nader the control the
Synod rs such. The Synod is not known in AsseE.
bly, BY its representatives The Pcsbyeries compos
ing are KNOWN but their entire vote rs Ii out OF 23c
Thiachsrer, thcn does literally nothing or Synod and
there 10 not church institution vi Synod which
has one cent OF funds covered by it,
"But what will Member OF Synod if deliberate
H charge him with gsrbling this get 1.-THE charerl ~
will say. sur, you cannot prove it, What will Memorial
st sayif change him with snpprcssing my explanaton'
aye, and WILL In paragraph 7t after quoting
from the charter he says did go add after some
other hings at useless she charter excerpts from
the limitation "TuE ANNUAL VOLUNTARY
CONTRIBUTIONS" for oil know that there no need Of
chsrter 10 cover these" Now, "One of the Memorial
lists" says have deliberately garbed" T. prove IT, he
quotes the charter emphasizing the identical which
he might have found in article. Sir, will not far
lose my temper or seesptci charge you with "gab.
hng;" have learned to "be Courteous and advise YOU to
follow the same apcstoeai precept. ltmiy be OF
my ignorance; So ask forgiveness most humbly; but
had never supposed charter thing
other than permanent funds and real esaie-or 10 ena
bic Society receive requests. There are suppose
30 or 20 Benevolent Associations large SCALE
mention hundreds Of smaller in the u States which
ceive annual collections and voluntary contributions
and disburse the same without suffering for
want OF charter. One of the Memorialists" says
The whole application OF the Bapiists reference 10
this" annual collection and voluntary contribution
and NOTHING ELSE" utterly as,onished the reek-
lessness OF this writer have read several times at,en
lively the Appeal" which started this project and Their,
the burden OF the desire is for law enabling scientific
&c bodies to receive and hold property bcqueathed 4
them" The Object Of the Appeal mentioned somt
ten twelve umcs and uniformly il is substantially for
law enabling such bodies receive deyises or beoues
or hold prsperty"-and word said in the whole Ap
peal about annual collections and voluntary contrbu-
uons" In the abstract Of legislation by other States
the twenty referred 10, there is clause any abae
of preamble OF law, that word about annual col
lecuons and voluntary contributions" The only approac
TO it, 10 that the law OF NJ c. speaks of of an
kind or nature :" Yea, more, One Of the Memoriais,s
methoughi, must aludc TO the" Baptist Memorial" So
refer TO H. IL with the Resolution of the Boar
OF Managers. who say they want some modification {
the Statute OF Wills that dcvises religious &C. bo
dies, may be rendered cettain and available 10 IN
devsees." The Memorial speaks Of giving effect 4
wiir' OF dcvises u money" OF last wills and iesta-
ments, OF dying hopes" &C., but a word about .un
nua collection and voluntary Contribution - And We
says ONE" Of these very Memorisss this" annual col
lection and voluntary contribution feature and yorHIx
ELsE, what our application refers They speak in Il,
thpya .
but even this is not annual collection and vounar
contribution feature for it specially refers devses IL
deed, IN the limitation Of the charter expressly SEM
rated from s other modes of Donation so rs TO exclude
idea Of deyises! Now, hardly know how 10 discuss
SUBJECT with msn who is utterly reckless. The gen
teman reads very curously, and thinks as curiousy
s. IL 10 evident, then, we cannot have "AyY AMOUNT
hoang property held under charter We always receivo
and still receive, annual collections and voluntary conr
bunons OF churches under the OF the Assembly
whether we nave n Charter And so can, and /
does the Board OF Managers. II their annual collection
and voluntary contributions Of the churches and member
(Io or $4,000. according to Mr. Ball. ia III
Associaton for missionary and education purposes shout
amount To 100000 SlG000,000 per annum they Gu
receive and dsburse them without charter as well as III
smaller sums thoy receive.
e. still insist on IT, that whether the (" Gener,l Con
venon be voluntary not il is competent TO apply
and receive charter Assemby-because the Anne
lean Bible Society, the American Foreign Bible Society
American Board OF CON- for Foreign Missions, which 81
all "purely voluntary" bodies have done So When IN,
chartered the Board Of Managers will be as well OFF
The Synod Of Virginia, in relation our "Pennsylyan
Monster" That is. IL they chose become auxiliary
ths Genersi Convention. they enjoy its privilege. S.
our Synod chooses TO put securiyn the hands OF ia
Assembly. or TO become auxiliary in managing any ben,
violent scheme IL avail itself Of the privileges of III
charter Of the Trustees of Assembly any Of it, Boarc
and not otherwise. The famous 600 year. IL No
touched by us, and IL mansge it we have on
one yoTE ia 10 in the II divided out our PORTO
osoo %. not $4,000. (lhe whole amount as the gel
temsn strives to make the public believe As TO the Do
sohv OF success ~ applying TO the Pennsylvania Legi
hture-there Is nothing like uyinR". svowed solemn
70 the gentlemen IN the srcures that do not oppos
IT. He either overooks that in his great haste of rec.
fes usual or chooses TO give the lie direct by sayn
~ THE VERY FIRST II OFPOsE fsuch an application
Would M THE MEMBER CHURcA". Again 1 "a
"Be courteous Read slowly carefully and IN good ter
per. and 30 farewell.
find, Me srs. Editors but little room for a few br.
notices Of the eloquent m haranguo" Of "A Listener
lhave not time TO refresh my memory by reading III
History OF England, &c, aud shall not attempt Oh
rivalry OF his eloquence. | beg leave to correct hl
on lew points referring myself. Into the merits Of III
question between the Synod and Others shall not cnt,
except 20 say passing, that had the Appeal propos
s,me such speeifc Law Sidney drafts am inclined
think the Synod would nothtye opposed rather had "s