The New York herald., 1845-09-28


like know who was believer in such remedy as the
sticking again of severed head on lifsiess body
Wn9 would say ina. ins wos,d y. effect ss9r:ton TO
wished to know an amendment to the substitute ID
be In order 2
The President replied in the afirmsxive.
Mr. RussELL-I would like to hear the substitute read.
Tho Sec retary having read the substitute.
MIR. RrssELL proceeded to say that he fet young
member one in the presence Of experienced and
learned men, and not used to address similar
assemblies that he ought to proceed cautiously For
his part he held the diocese to be vacant and Bishop
Onde rdonk for suspended Notwithstanding the
doubts that prevailed to the Legality of the sentence
Some held that the Bishop ought to resume his func-
tions; he desired to have the of those who, in
saying say that the church can have an immoral
who landed these shores act with the third in build
ing this Church had he acted like their Bishop! He
was inclined 10 pionouncs at once the diocese whouta
Bishop He felt strongly, and felt he justified in
speaking strongly. In reference to charge which he
saw made in periodical lately that St Mathews
church had been prostitued by the preaching Of SER
mon in it in faver Of Bible society he would say that
the church had been worse prosuted than that in the
person of their diocesan (Cries of Order orderly
The amendment was then proposed and seconded. It
to the effect that Benjamin + Onderdonk COM
petent to take charge OF the duties of diocesan again
After a few words from various quarters the amond
ment withdrawn
Rev. Mr.. BARLOW arose. under a OF incompe-
tence, he said, to address august assembly q
vital question Every action must have reference to the
question OF suspension The only consideration for
them was--ls Bishop Onderdonk their diocesan He
thought not after mature reflection One argument and
but he had heard in support OF the proposition that
he is still Bishop 1t was like oasis the midst Of
the desert II there be any argument in support OF he
would be glad to hear it. Being called to act
Der of that house he wanted light and if any gentle
of the committee would state the ground upon
which suspended Bishop still Bishop, he would
be most happy to hear him but he inferred from their
silence that they did intend debate that ston
The theory that suspended Bishop is still Bishop is an
exotic, not Indigenous to Protestant soil but the degene
rate plant Of strange soil The system Of discipline of
the Church OF Rome the great Of its errors
He would protest against any attempt bind this church
by reference to opinions usages Of that Of
Rome. The Church OF England being connected With
the State its ecclesiastical law composed in part of
the civil law, by which the vested rights OF the clergy
which Bishops suspended have retained their bshoprcs
In this country suspension absolute The statute
law in the Church Of England governs every thing Now
he would contend that precedents derived from the
Church OF England, was not good ground for us, nor
could they bind the American Church the or
usages OF the Church OF England be authority on the
question Of suspension they must be in thousand
other instances # so, they might seek liberty else
s He wa to
see the respect for authority shown by some It
was innate in the human mind But they were
not bound to trammel themselves by these prece-
dents. Without entering into many he would content
himself with one argument from Scripture, "A Bishop
Timothy Bishop of Ephesus refrained from suspendng
him for immortality Could he do in the face Of his
this it setevdent, that when Bishop, by the
sentence OF his compeers was suspen cd from his func
tons he ought to be debarred from tue right Of exerc
ing his jurisdiction There right anterior to all
others guaranteed to the Church. giving it authority.
What then deprive the diocese Of its nalienable
privileges. To talk Of such thing in Protestant
church absurdity. None would deny, that when
a rector is suspended, his sequesraton complete
and force from the first moment He saw no reason
why this view could not be applied by analogy to the
case ofa Bishop The speaker went on for some time
but it was nearly the same arguments over again.
he Rev. Mr.. JONES next rose and said he had like
Others travelled to this Convention having attended
preliminary meetings at which the subject matter before
resolved to give his voice in the Of truth and of
justice and to record that voice appeared to him that
Bishop, had adduced nothing satisfactory support of
the views they had entertained the subject before
them. The gentleman from ST. Thomas had declared
that the Diocese without Bishop, and there
fore they bound to adopt the necessary
for the election of head ofhe church. and any strong
argument could be adduced by the gentleman, he
would respectfully bow to it but he did conceive
he had advanced anything that calculated to alter
the opinions of the committee The learned gentlemen
from St Georges in the OF his remarks had also
asserted that the decaratory OF the necessity
Of their acquiescng in the decision of this house OF Bh
ops but the Convention had been called from time to
time and the opinion of the house of Bishops had been
used as basis upon which to found decision upon
ask that prma acie proof that the suspension
of the Bishop did not necessarily involve the question
Of the debate they not TO be governed
By the canons of the Church OF Rone the Church of
England but he (Mr y respectfully contended they
without law.
Better to suffer for the ills that are
Than fly to Others which know not of
II had also been contended by some, that they
had no diocesan at present He had known the re-
spected Divine whose name was before the Conven-
ton, and had loved him long-had travelled round
with him-had seen the smiles of welcome that had
greeted him. and would again greet hm every where he
had travelled and matter what might have been their
opinions the subject under which he had provoked
the OF the church. they bound to give him
their full and cordial sympathy in his hour of trouble.
Mr. HAIGHT (the Secretary next aud said he
able to give his vote for the substitute the resolution
which had been ably advocated by several Of the gen.
temen who had preceded him because it had presumed
upon fact which he believed did exist viz that
only in technical sense vacant but it by any
means without bishop This the ground upon
which he opposed the views of several OF those gentlemen
who had preceded him. II the diocese was vacant he
would ask when it declared to be SO They had the
official record in relation the suspension of Bishop On
deIdonk but he would ask, where the record that
declared the diocese to be vacant He would ask il
such inference to be drawn how could they take
the ground that in a case of such Importance the ord
of the church had made provision to meet the
question He thought he belonged to church which
pure and reformed branch OF the Church OF Christ
The convention had not the power to settle this question
There a tribunal before which it would ultimately
come and they could legally dispose of il here He
understood that many declared the action of the bishops
to be considered the law OF the church He would
bow with the utmost submission and humility to the
bishops OF the church as regarded the fah and as in
dividual he would bow TO them on any question
garded the discipline of the church but presbyer
could not consent to recognise the expression of
opinion emanatng from that body as binding upon him in
his official capacity The canon of the church had
pressy declared how they to be governed II
clared that all matters canonical law should come
before the Convention long there remained any
question which was to be arranged by the Convention
regarded the expression of opinion by many grave
and holy men, he would at all times bow to it, indi.
vidual but, presbyter, and member of the Conven-
ton, he would not do it. He could not do it, also, when
he looked to the past When he traced the papa power
and looked into its history he afraid that deegat
ing such power the bishops of the church. they
danger Of taking the first step which led the awful
domination that characterized the Church of Rome. lie
wished to such power as that which existed in
the Church of Rene influencing the councils of the
church. The Church Of Christ not an arisocracy
democracy it was meek and humble, and the bsh-
ops but its spiritual fathers The presbyters and
elders bound to watch and guard its interests
der Gods especial care, and he would never consent
that they should be tramped under foot They stood
the people did at the time Of the first assembling
Of the first council Of the Church Of Christ Jerusalem
it was now as It was in the primitive times to which
they all had TO refer, who had read the history OF the
church Who ever heard Of bishop or bishops of |
church venturng upon any such step the propo
ed without calling together the elders OF the church.
He would give his vote TO diminish the power of
no oIdA and sLutar lnlI a.