The New York herald., 1845-09-28
Episcopal Convention-Fourth Day.

ieae sioShcHcu, DIS yesterday InoInllg DeIOre nine
O'Clock, all the galleries crowded to excess,
the ladies as usual outnumberng the gentlemen
The mos brteathless attention was displayed by the
whole assembly to the proceedings of the meeting,
and as any expression of more than usual warmth
escaped from the speakers, much sensation was ex-
hibited Both parties appear TO be anxious to battle
to the utmost letter for their respective resolutions
The morning service read usual and after the
meeting called to order by the President the min
approved The resolution on the table vas tsen as
cared 10 be that OF Judge Duer regarding the leaving
blank the name OF the Bishop, who was to act the
provisional one in this Diocese
Mr. JoHs A. kisG had no objection to modify the reso-
luton TO substitute any Bishop without naming patc.
ular one
Mr. HAoHr the Secretary here rose and said that in
asmuch as the reports of the committee been sent to
be printed and had not arrived were in
the course of ten minutes he moved that the further
consideration of this subject be on the table till the
reports came in with the understanding they would
be then the first question in order This resolution was
passed and the subject laid on the table
The Hon JoHS {. SPENCER then and called the
attention of the President report of the committee
on the state of the Church the following resolution
presented TO the President of the Conv ntion for the
usual disposition OF the sams And that the
proposed the following words to be inserted in
place OF be presented" That the different parishes be
requested to hand in their reports to the President the
Convention
Mr. HAloHr suggested that the words and that they
be printed in the Journal should be added.
Mr. sPESckR said that he had given his motion in.
And in reply to remarks from member he
said there were some constituted that they
were naturally beliigeent and anxious take up the
ext eme OF every II was important TO members TO
hear him. He would submit TO every member present
whether the clergy composing the committee had not
shown their hands most clearly TO the question OF
bishop bishop. Was there way of avoiding this
carrying OF matters to such extremes He had been alb
sent the previous day when this resolution first Of
fered but then in committee it had been explained
him What the difficulties in this 1t stated
by the reverend gentlemen that they consisted in the
fact the last phrase involved matters in their nature
semiconscentous, that they had dislike to communi
cate to other than their bishop spiritual head
matters of spiritual nature that these reports involved
the spiritual condition Of their parishes and that these
not to be confded to other spiritual heads.
What foundation for this difficulty there is he Mr spen-
cer would not pretend to He appreciated the feel
the result it does with other canons and he did
not suppose that the requesting" in this resolution
would exonerate them from their duty. Another sug
gestion presented to him by this narration that in
consequences OF the debate of last night much light
had been thrown the subject that they shrank
from IT, Before coming to the main question let ask
that do not mpute to another unchristian
charitable motives unfair designs let suppose that
we all endeavorng to discharge high and solemn
duty and that approach this convention with the
wish to discharge our best duties spirit of faith and
charity.
Mr. JOHN A. HAMILTON thought it proper to advert to
the gent leman who spoke last he stated that il was
important for the convention to hear him He would say
that last night the gentleman from Albany the
cretary Of warr{order, order)
Mr. HAMILTON continued the gentleman from albany q
in order now rebuked the Rector st Georges
called his conduct unmanly and indecorous.
DR.. TYING here interered and said he wished the
bers Of this house would forget expressions which he
himself had forgotten.
MIR Hamilton continued to saythat the gentleman from
Albany had said there were some natures apparently
NATURAL belligerent; there were he would say, many
such when they wer. aroused.
Rev MIR FORBES, of st Luke's, thought that it was
against his conscience to report any spiritual matters
OF his congregation to any than his spiritual head and
he hoped the resolution would be adopted.
Mr. DuER adhered to his opinion that while the Bishop
was IN existence reports must De presented to him. let
be remembered that this report the Committee
ceeds on the ground Of the diocese not being vacant
and 1t had to decide positively that there is
vacancy it not in his power release the Rev
gentleman from his dilemma
Rev MIR. FORBES said that his life had not been
hat had been passed IN secular transactions but that it
had been the calm life of clergyman; like their lives
the perceptions Of cergymen different from those
that had been passed otherwise far the Standing
committee and Convention concerned there might
be no bishop; in such he did not object to what
might be termed techncaities but in the present
ter OF reporting spiritual things to those who had
spiritual authority he could not give up his scruples
we are beset with difficulties and must make
cessons but in the they applied technicaltes
in the other to spritualtie the st he would agree to-
but not the last.
Mr. JOHN SPENCER remarked by the canons Of the
church every cergymans duty is laid down to present
Here notion made to lay the subject on the ia.
ble and as this by the rules did not admit Of debate
was done.
Col. MusRo-1 would remark
CHAIRMAr-The motion is laid on the table and no
further debate can be heard it.
Thus the subject was laid the table.
MEMBER here rose aud wished to know what was to
be done with the reports? lie had been informed by Mr.
Haight that lay ing them the Presidents table, they
were not noticed He wished to know what to do with
theml Mr. Haight had advised him put them in the
Post Office addressed TO the Standing Committee. He
would ask the Chair for information.
Mr HAIeHT regretted he had put the gentleman in a
dilemma but he unable advise him. unless he told
him to follow his own inclinations the subject.
The PRESIDENT concurred in this advice.
MEMBER called up the resolutions attached to the
ports OF the majority and minority OF the committee of
\ 10, on the state OF the diocese.
The SECRETARY said that the eresolutons were now in
order and read the resolution which proposed be
substituted in the place of the third resolution TO the e
cod un1c If fha
Bishop OF -
MEMBER said that, one of the members of this d.
ocese, ne feels himself placed in the predicament
as the member OF ST. Johns stated himself to be in. He
has not attended any Of the preliminary meetings which
were held previous 10 this question beng ntoduceda and
conesses that he is not in the dilemma OF the rector of
st. Lukss he did not vote for the proceedings of the
convention being canonical for he thinks otherswse
and he has come to this decision review OF the
whole matter, and his heart responds to the language
OF the minority report there is prospect, in his
independent opinion that late Bishop can ever excr
else episcopal jurisdiction with usefulness the church.
ana ne would De Obliged to cast his vote against the reso
dress assembly like this any public assembly
cept when clothed in official robes but will express
my views independently acknowledge the voice and
authority OF the church. when duly and properly ex
pressed es the voice Of God but the individual authority
OF the Church when individually expressed, regard
OF no moment cannot respond the argument of the
gentleman from st Georges Church. VII, brings up the
individual opinions Of the Bishops but will lay before
that gentleman and this diocese the decision of the
Church, when acting collectively a 'Judge. refer
them to the document the gentleman brought on this
floor, and would call to my aid the law which no
iers to SO eoquenty will read therefore, the whole
sentence will read the passage referred to- and read
by the learned gentleman, from the report 1t is here
by ordained and declared that the sentence is
sion from the office of Bishop, and the OF
all functions of the ministry" His argument is that by
the Bishop being suspended the diocese vacant
'he Church without head He would call to his aid the
principle which the gentleman called on last evening
Our canons make distinction between suspension de-
position and admonitoa He cannot perceive when he
sees deposition one sentence and suspension another
that they are the same and truth to say that
py ahey are the same, maintain that we have Bishop
although he Is suspended, and approve of the
proceedings OF the Standing Committee but I am per-
iectiy willing to acknowledge that the exgencies OF
the case demanded that they should take the course
winch they pursued The sentence which he holds in
his hand he considers himself bound in conscien nee
70 dsobey, and he therefore finds himself in the
preOCnmPnt q he frorn Irka In