The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1845-05-19

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The Maynooth Question In England.
lhefolowng lisa condensed report ofthe last nights
debate on this important question in the House of
commons, on the 18th of April which was passed
upon by majority Of ll7 in favor of the grant
Here follows the debate:-
| Mr. SHERMAN CRAwYoRp n liberal onnosed tho pea
sure because he regarded it permanent endowment
the clergy fthe Catholic Church other secs would
follow the example, whereas, the voluntary principle
was the only fair As to the principle Of .restu
ton on which the grant had been supported it would
lead to transfer of tithes the Catholic Church IL car
red out and savoured of breach of on the part
Of the Catholics to talk of restitution" All grants and
endowments ofchurches he thought dangerous TO pot
cal liberty He hoped this grant might not be intended
as hush money to the priests He did not why the
Catholic clergy should be educated apart from other in
dvduals they insisted that they should pay
for 1t themselves If the Catholics accepted it great
boom as they did emancipation they might experience
the former when it commended that after
cpaon all agitation for political purposes should
manence to the established church in Ireland and for
those reasons precisely he would oppose it.
Lord Z. HAMILTON. one Of the ultra tory school and
the Marquis of Abercorn supported the grant
from sense OF justice he would not condescend to
cede to camor or agitation the measure free and
spontaneous one on the part ofgovernment. There
no analogy between the of Catholics and the Pres
byterans the former not to be told that the Pres
byterans of England supported heir establishments
they were able in Ireland the sect numbered but
600 and received 200 while six millions of
Catholics be put off with only per annum
When he heard the cry f"the church is in DANGER he
regretted friend to the established church, hear
often that it was likely to cease being raliying
point The conduct, however Of that church he could
not defend for had raised nsupeabe obstacles to the
idea of The priests of the Catholic church
had been forced into political interference and full
time, by Cancellation and lberay, to those pre-
JUDGES that the government Of and established
Mr. MUNTz thought the grant dsgraceful to the pro-
posers and receivers If they wanted grant for educa
ton, but to instruct men who onesided view of
the scriptures, and would not allow the freedom Of
Mr. hs
but merely partial for which
ion of the Hon. Baronet, Sir R. Peel when he saw him.
after climbing to power, introducing measure which
contrary the principles he had formerly asserted
the petitions against it were to be considered an argu
ment one way, the absence Of petitions from the only
solely educated constituencies, viz: the two Universe
tes-are an argument in the opposite direction.
%aer he the ausson
of endangerng the Irish Catholic priesthood while
every member was free to interpret the measure as he
for he could not find it in the bill For his part ap-
proved as simple educational grant of EGG 600 year.
instead OF to educate students at Maynooth and
when he the country excited from end to the
other, the simple question of fl7OO0 year. involv
ing no principle, he would say that party combna
ton Of parties, could carry such measure the en-
dowment of the Roman Catholic Church. England pre-
sented, the OF sanctlonng pettyfog
ging palry persecution, such spectacle had
been equaled in the annals of religious persecution
The opponents Of the not conendng that
education should not be given to Roman Catholic priests
but that it should be defective education; they did not
contend that Maynooh should be abolished but that it
should be like barrack than a comfortable home.
They had established in Ireland system Of education
for which they voted 100000 100000 per year.
der to give instruction in the elementary branches to
boys who to become farmers, shoemakers and tai
lors and yet they refused to give good education
those who throughout all Ireland the spiritual in
of
people Last year they voted f35 900 for the national
schools OF England where children could be educa
ed but those who learned the Church Of England
chsm part OF which money out of the pockets of
the Irish people l. rather much that telling the
Irish people they had adopted wrong principle in TAX
ing money out of their pockets they should resist the
application of the same principle to themselves. He be-
leved the grant would go far to heal the wounds of
Irish socety and if in voting for it he lost the conf
dence of friends, he should have the consolation Of
knowing he acted conscentously.
Mr. FERRAND opposed the measure at great length. He
thought the House, as constituted them not the
place to decide the question: and that appeal should
be taken to the country II said that pledges
given at the last election to her Maesys minis
tiers from proposing that bill but he prepared to
state that ever there party solemny pledged be-
fore God and the country stand by Protestant princ
pies, was the present government He then read
riey of extracts from the speeches of the
at the last eecon-o condemn them out Of their own
mouths Then they proessed to uphold the church, and
posed to doctrines from which Proestants revolt
which are incompatible with and contrary to the funda
mental laws Of the realm. The Hon. Baronet Sir r. Peel
said It did not produce in Ireland he should be
the first to vote for its repeal 1t did produce peace
peal but to violate the of settlement contravene
the oath Of supremacy He had worked ten years like
and now he betrayed by him. He solemnly believ-
ed that If her aesys Government could induce her to
attach her signature to that Maynooh bill, she should
sign away her title to the British Crown.
Mr.. Shell made one OF his sparkling speeches in sup
port OF the While he regretted that English
minister could not confer the smallest benefit Ireland
without doing mischefo himself it gratifying that
the Church Of England had abstained from all nerposi
ton in the present question The great resistance had
originated with the Dssenters-wht those very Dissen-
ters whom Ireland aided i'll the repeal Of the Test and
Corporation Acts with among the rest the Wesley.
ans who whenever a Of plain and obvious JUS
tce was proposed, have risen great array
fanatca intolerance and placed on the table of the
House petitions in every:sentence of which "superst
ton and idolatry doatry superstition occurred
He saw much to admire in the Free Church of Scotland
but with regret and astonshment he them nrude
the Maynooth question. They had business with it,
They did not go out on the voluntary principle they
ton against the abuses of the Catholic Church but their
Cavaniste bile overfowed when they a member
striving to improve the condition of the Irish people
when they saw the Government making the Catholic
Church meagre grant, compared with the gorgeous
superfuities OF the Irish Church would be taken
proof of English good will to Ireland-t would trans
form body OF men whose power for harm, well
good is mighty into allies instead of enemes it would
put into every parish in Ireland Christian gentle
man, to disseminate kindly feeling, and to teach
good cit. citizenship Ssp BY preespt and example On
dark discomfort that agitaed Ireland it would give
strong impulse to the repeal agitation because demon
would be afforded that the government Of the
country longer to be carried conformity
the wishes Of the majority OF the peopeof statesmen
on both sides Of the housebu in obedience to the die
ates of the most fanatcal portion of the English nation
The grant to Maynooth better than civil he
did say the rejection of that would produce
civil war-but he would suggest that to persist in the
policy upon which rejection of that bill would be found
ed-o persuade the Irish people there justice to
be expected, the whole nation might join in anahema
against the legislative union and they might lament in
the time Of adversely they had not acted wisely
The power of the clergy immense; 1t broke up the
Beresord carried the Clare election call
ed the Clontarf meeting it furnished the machinery to
carry Catholic emancipation. II could be coDciliaed
for such had proved in Canada where by placing
Catholics in aut relation to the State and cndowing