The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-01-10

and stated that he had that official information to
communicate, which might probably satisfy the
Honorable Senator from Ohio, Allen. And as the
Chairman OF the Committee on Foreign Relations,
ne could officially, from the President himself, IN
form him that there were no negotiations at present
penaing with Great Britain upon the Oregon cues
ions upon the question in Eng land, but had been
arranged to transfer them to Washington t. said Mr.
Allen] he wishes to obstruct all negotiations this
question: But has not England been in part posses
the Of commencing am important negotiation
70 settle the question fnally-when the minister acken
already done he to be told that i'll dis
cusson upon the question at all that have taken the
question into own hands and dentvey settled it by
resolving ct arms to- possess the whole territory
tell the Senator that will not go into these questions II
strucons this stage ofthe proceedings and will have
nothing to do with it. II is not dgnlhed for grave body
like this to into these matters in this way the very
point Of time when negotiations are to begin II may be
alght matter for western member representative Of
the overlooking chvary of the great western country to
involve the nation in war which would cause money to
be expended all along its frontier while the Atlantic
states would be swept with the hesom Of war. But
won't go into these questionsI will have nothing to do
with calling for these instructions have informed you
there negotiations yet begun but that
ney are about 70 commence And to obstruct them now
Mr. ALLEN said the declarations which he referred
were made by those gentlemen purpose of extort
ing negotiations from But don't believe there will
be ia war very soon for refusing to negotiate Eng
Of our territory. We object Then comes homily
about peace we are to be frightened like chill
dren 'Yied or night" Does England ever settle a
Close oneand open anotherl and bear off some advan
tage at each negotiation for the settlement Of qusrre'
Ashburon professed to have full powers to settle all diff
cues-bu turned out that his powers were limited.
Are to be treated like children The Ashburton
treaty heraded to the world settling broad and
peace and yet within the year. told by their
ministers that there is another difficulty to he set
tied which may be just cause OF war, unless some wise
Daniel from the East to arrange and negotiate it.
The proper mode OF settling this question is sgnhcanty]
them will Ws be- e
British minister that the President has taken step which
must M TINS BODY acting a. al on I'M,
phssis every inch territory belonging to this country
Then Mr. Allen alluded to another question whchG reat
Britain would settle, except at the mouth OF the
cannonit was necessary and inevitable cause Of war
rupture there must be with Great Britanno crime
either side the natural course Of things would bring
it on MIR A. not understood to say what this was,
hut left it to be nferred Mr. said he would not super
cede Executive action but he desired that it might
commit the whole country. The Senate has n right
act in this treaty don't believe the President would do
any other American, Of any kind of politics he may
be mistaken he in the other treaty have been
led to these remarks by the threats OF the English Min
lister.
Mr.. MoREHEAp followed with some remarks upon the
negotiation about to be entered into by Mr. Packcnham
1t becomes to egsate upon this question not to
prejudice the discussions about to be commenced There
is no necessity to adopt this resolution Why pass it
There is no negotiation pending The instructions were
given the basis which negotiations should be
carried onhat is also learn from my friend (Archer)
couCui ~ tha.
could carry negotiations which could by any posi-
bity renquish of the rights honor of this coun-
try Nor will by any vote of mine pass censure,
nsnuation against the motives Of the President
Let the President proceed to negotiate and think
proper let legsate but let not by Legislation
pass upon the constitutional proceedings of the
Executive. am not sensitive as the gentleman from
Ohio (Allen relative to what these English gentlemen
have said The Government of country is surely net
be held responsible for what individuals choose to
say. II is entitled to consideration Let the Senate
pause-and let the matter with the President with
perfect confidence that he will maintain the honor and
dignity Of the country.
Mr.. BENTON here foowed with remarks upon the con-
sutonal right of the Senate to advise with the Pres
dent. Referred to the old oumal-Washngton's exam
pe &c. said the Senate under moral duresshe for
giving his advice beforehandand at all events for know
ing what going The great question is whether this
shall be legislative executive question.
SEVERAL sENArons-That is the question.
Mr. BERRIEN saidt is proposed to ask for informa
He answered Mr. Burton about the early history of the
Government
The debate pursued at great length by Mesrs Ber
ren Benton Allen Wandbury, Archer, King, Critten-
| den, Rives and Buchanan. Some considerable sharp
shooting occurred between Burton and Archer in which
the latter accused the former Of democratzng" and the
former retorted by accusing the latter with arsocra
Ching" have yet twelve close pages of notes but it is
too late to go with them. On taking the vote npon
the resolution it lost 81 to l4-not political vote.
Many Of the Senators voted against the resolution in this
Legislative session. who will vote in favor of when it
again comes II viii in Executive Session. Still
is thought it will pass even in eysessionas the
wings appear to oppose it. More tomorrow.