The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-06-09
Methodist Episcopal Conference.
SATURDAY MORNING, June 8.
[3rsBop WAUGH in the chair

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Several reports of Committees were presented.
| Mr.. PAYNE moved that the report of the Com
mttee of nine, presented yesterday, on dsunion
| of the church be takenup.
| There was considerable difference of opinion
| upon the motion. MIR. Cartwright was strongly IN
favor of proceeding with the election Of officers,
but after a few we'll chosen remarks from MI
Parties, the report was taken up.
| After the Secretary had read the document, OF
which We gave II synopsis yesterday,
| DR.. ELLIOTT addressed the house. lie had examined
with great care-had watched it from its origin till its
completion and considered it such it ought to be- and
answer the purposes for which il designed II was
his firm opinion that the therein presented
the most proper in regard their churchthe most in
accordance with scripture and any anaiogy they could
collect from the history Of ancient and modern churhes
aps remaining in such closeand unbroken connection as
the Methodist Episcopal Church 1t had Leen often found
necessary to separate large bodies to prevent them from
becoming unwieldy. (Nr f. tlen referred to the old
churches of Antioch Alexandria and jerusalem to show
that they distinct and independent though Of COM
orgn) Even the Church OF England might be said
10 be in two separate portions under the Archbhops Of
| present proposition for separation, well advised
to that they must at last and he believed even the
question, 2: Sisunon now aea.ing them 10 fo pun
good reasons to carry it out They were becoming un
wieidy In that conference, crowded it there was
only one minister in 81. What would they be in few
years He did not look upon their separation as schism
One Of the greatest writer's OF the last century Sng
1t appeared to him that the whole matter could be
so arranged that friendly intercourse would subsist be-
tween the North and the South and that each section
could send delegates to the other Canada does he
hoped that Conference would vote for the adop
ton OF the Report unanimously.
Mr.. GR,rF,rHs regarded the present preparations
most extraordinary and against he was anxious to re-
cord his vote If did without law against
law he of censurabe they had heard great
deal about extra judicial acts, but how were they to re-
gard the PRESENT. Was not to all ntents and purposes
an extra Legislative act He called upon any man who
heard him. shew him the authority OF that body to d
vide the Methodist Church They did not as was their
annual Conference They put it upon different issue
| They were taking that step When certain portion
when that expeaensy-that morsei sometimes 50 bitter
sweet to the palate nclned then they were
to take this STEP and then apply to the annual
| proposition. They would put it in the power of any
number of to set up for themselves and organize
body. What right had they TO do that Were they sent
| there TO divide the Church Do they come there
with instructions clothed withl authority to do so
there any such authority he had it, Again
that report proposed to dsranchise large number OF
their common rights men, of choosing to what society
eriOr district be biased who did not choose to attach
| themselves to the Southern church They would be
told 10 submit or withdraw Where was their authority
liberty of conscience with which God had blessed every
man, and Of which none can deprive hm3 A man who
was tyrant-any power which did it yranncaI,
matter whether 1t was Methodist Conference or Pope
the vote be taken once-and let every give his
name, that the M. f. Church would know who, being
| another
| the great Methodstcal body.
| MI CAnrwRroHr wanted 10 say few words the
subject but felt embarrassment tor many consider
a,ions not speak Of that which he generally fs ut adj
dressing his super0rs But when he such number
of champions for revolutionary purposesso many doc
tors and lawy say Scrbes and Pharasees augh
ter) going for 1.-THE had no doubt honesy-he would
not keep silent 1t vexed question, and perplexing
one that had been agitacd the first existence and
now was about to be disposed Of by men whom he had
always respected yng this change must and shall be-"
Well il it must it must Another consideration. They
nnyn IN thn avn nj adj
anxious to return and il all had been anxious as he
they would have been away long Hitherto they had
boaed with their venerable founder OF their glorious
motto that "the world their paren ,. Whatever step
would be taken by the North the SOUTH boosted
that the church was one and navisbie, 8nd united and
that never knew schism in doctrine or discipline The
radical agitation was exception and perhaps the pre-
cas.n spread through the whole country. which rips
for it. they had breasted the hurricane and he thanked
God to this day that he MR. C3 among the noble %
lined, ana iIl.boIn measure, which was sbrOugh,
up at Baltimore, and that my name stands among
the old veterans that stood hy the ship. He would
do the same here He would rather die than see
the church murdered. Nmen, amen There waA snO
details Of the resolutions but he would say the PROPOSE
ton wicked and as far he knew would be held in
both North and South as inIingins upon the Just rights
say that in place at the extreme South, for instance
there found station district circuit that did moi
chime in with this measure that because they Of the
south wished ursooh they should come under the do
minion and jurisdiction reign and control of that south
n.
had been preached that floor? Did they not hear
something too OF being goaded by majority! Was that
North as the South If any were willing to go the
South let them 60 and joy be with them. This was
queer subject They had no right by the constitution OF
proposal ' was as in Character with slavery not with
districts. 1t would destroy the peace and harmony
passed as soon as the fire brand is thrown them
was an easy matter to cover up and darken the real
state of the cases twas easy to guiPh down and swallow
the precious morsel instead of standing up for principle
But he the that would not shrink from Difficult
lies, or before human tribunal, and would declare
people Another thing he would suggest. II had been
said few minutes ago by celebrated Dr. -; lac was
great (aughter and live for ever-Dr. Elliott He knew
he learned man. and great historian, ana all that
this he would yield to him. but believed he had as much
common as the Doctor. That might be thought
vanity in him. but he begged to say again that he had
much common sense the Doctor and if it was
1t was not unclean. Much laughter) The Doctor was
unable to cleary he lost in the midst OF ogs and
mist and the OF venerable tones and back to the
days the food for figures and illustrations all Of which
he had often heard before The Methodist Church was
creation Of God and its venerable founder was cassec
among the first reormers Of the world had overcame
all Obstacles although they had been Ishmaelites 10,
every mans hand against Them, yet they had over
| came the world, the flesh, and the devil; and h.
| the last time. the whole history of the ques
| ton showed that God in his Providence still
heved them from the iactlous and disturbing spi
rs which were among them--still provided .
| thrush.trap to take them out from among them
Why should they be now afraid to trust in him lie
did wish by these remarks to drive his Southern
| brethren from among them, hut he thanked God tn.
Methodist Church was no Prison. There door in and
another OUTPUT upon them who went was the reponsi
biity not upon him. He again warned them not to take
this step the Of az adjournment, precipate
hat they wond he ridiculous in the eyes of the world
nd in their eyes, when they come to reflect cody
upon it, He looked upon the Conference clothed with
fearful responsibility in act upon these resolutions
I,NIh n CnnI mt hy un inrf HON m an
| earthly consideration.
Mr. Ames asked if the rule limiting speakers to Geep
minutes, was in force.
Mr.. Cartwright continued lie would when they
thought right for he did not wish 20 be famed for muci
speaking. If they had up instructed to pass bis
measure it would materially alter the case; but there
many parts Of the country in which they had
heard single syllable about it, and it would require al
The tact and wisdom they possessed t. persuade tn,
i n they Lad NJ ihe,