The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-03-25

Roman Catholic doctrines as blasphemous Did the Lord
Lieutenant resent thu insult to his own mparality, and
the ieeAgs Oh ms fellow subjects No. he caused
acknowledgement TO be returned tie address was warm
received IL did not become him to speak of the Lord
ChleI Justce because he the other side
But Loro Stanley, who had been SO indignant with the
commentaries on the charge of the Chief Justice forgot
his own motion on Chief Baron Smith Passing from this
he asked what would be the moral effect OF the verdict
Sir Graham might yet, in his cooler moments, repent
the phrase convicted conspiraoTs - but the speech of
Lord Stanley would add to that moral weight-woud
be remembered IN Ireland, and perhaps Canada. Ire
land was not to be governed by force but by Protestant
charges Juries and verdictsbut would these
Protestant bayonets to sustain them There might be
minor matters OF detail but the great question: after ALL
was that OF the two churches in lreandthe without
revenue, but with congregation-the other without
congregation, but with revenue. They to
touch church. according to MIR shaw il was
built Christian truth On which bank of the Tweed
Protestant Christian truth to be found On the one
side 1t was presented in black surplice and white band
on the other, enthoned III archiepscopal STALL and
glowing like that lady" towards whom, under the
OF Dr. Puey, its affections were beginning to return At
all events their Christian truth had not been very
ul in Ireland His religion, Indigenous the Irish mind
had hourshed in spite OF the blast and still rising and
spreading theirs, though nursed in magnificent
servalory was still sickly exotic. How had they dealt
with the church in Canada-nay in England selfi Had
they not virtually confessed by their Factories Bill
that the National Church incapable OF undertaking
the education OF the national mind Oh there
parallel TO your" church in Europe-except in Poland
The right hon member then advered the general for
egn policy OF the government, using for
ny against leaving Ireland In its present condition lie
trusted IN God they would be able TO crush an insrrec
tion for civil in Ireland would evoke the widest
and most demoniac passions which would spare neither
age He hoped better thingsa hope strengthen.
ed by the noble and magnanimous spirit which had been
laerly exhibited by Engiishmen. The right honorable
and learned gentleman concluded with OF his eloquent
appeals.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL commenced by compliment.
ing the Attorney General for ireland upon the able vind
cation OF his character and they had heard
on previous evening He deprecated the discussion in
that house OF matters which the subject OF judicial
investigation and he would in the of his observa
ton touch as lightly as possible upon the conduct Of the
HIS right honorable and learned friend the member for
Edinburgh had favored them with brilliant Grafton
but contained nothing that in the least practicable
loud cheers) 1t had been suggested that the trial of
Mr.. OConne ought to have been by jury but
he would no more have thought of doing that than try
ing case OF high treason at the sessions aughter)
He commended that the crown perfectly justified
exercising its right OF challenge but he ready to ad
NIT that had he been in the position OF State prosecutor,
he would e@teris pa'ibus have preferred leaving on
Roman Catholic ne would have even gone further
in order to consult public opinion In the present case
however, he believed that with regard to eight it would
have been dereiction OF duty the part OF his right
honorable friend the Attorney General left them
on the jury. ministerial cheers The right honorable
and learned gentleman then referred length to the
mode in which the jury lists ramed and also the
law OF conspiracy, which had continued the for
long period OF time (l3O years) without any complaint,
any suggestion OF amendment 1t complained that
the government by giving so long an impuny to these
meetings, had laid trap for Mr.. O'COnnel but he
thought the dismissal Of the magistrates early May
and set that question at rest He then went to vind
cate the course which the Irish Attorney General had
adopted in conducting these prosecutions and said
conducted, there would be no hesitation in granting
new trial
Mr.. O'CoSSELL did not rise to say any thing of
himself and he hoped after he had concluded they
would admit that he had spoken who had inte-
whatever in the trials He came there to protest in
the name Of his country against its occupation by mill
tary force. (icar) He came there also to ask simple
question, namely, how was Ireland to be governed
(Cheers) He would not ask who was to govern it
although he might have his preferences. There
hing new in the system that had been adopted by the
present government towards Ireland No could deny
that no country in the world hal inflicted such evil had
occasioned much persecution committed so many
crimes upon another, as England upon Ireland The
noble lord, the member for London, had aoly and
frankly admitted that fact and it had been acsted by
the almost unanimous voice Of the country and Of that
House. (iear, hear) He would not go further back in
the history Of his country the period the nnon
because he commended that from that time Parliament
wholly responsible for what had taken place The hon.
and learned gentleman then referred length to the
condition Of Ireland before and since the unon pointing
the rapid progress she had made from 1854 to 1900
and the increased consumption Of all the luxuries and
cessaries OF life during that period During these eighteen
years, while self gov ened she had risen to
pied pitch OF prosperity and would have progressed
ward in her march of national mpro but for the
unhappy measure Of the legislative union The great
gnment Of Mr. Pitt and Lord Clare was, that Ireland ad
vancng in the scale Of nations only required to be united
to her prosperous and commercial sister England to
increase her prosperity three fold The honorable and
learned gentleman then referred to the works Of Kohl and
other writers Ireland and also the reports OF the
Poorlaw Commissioners for the purpose Of showing that
there had been of late little in Ireland and
that the contrary il had refrigerated to considerable
extent For all that the House was, in his opinion
sponsble and he had hesitation in saying that since
the union almost every they had introduced for
ireland had been productive OF nothing but evil and mis-
chief In the of his country he protested against
tons themselves but the manner in which they
luced loud cheers) There had been no instance Of
the exclusion Of persons from the lists on the ground Of
their being Roman Catholics from the time OF Titus
Oates since that period had Judge ever delivered
partial and one sided charge to jury He glad
TO find that il was the intention of the Government to give
An g
would suggest that they should give the Roman Catholic
bishops quasi corporate character to enable them to
transmit any property that might be bequeahed to them
to their successors. Whatever steps the Government
take for the tranquility Of Ireland should be
taken expedonsly; and he trusted the day not far
distant when he would Irshmen and Englishmen,
Catholic and Protestant all united in one common feeling
of brotherhood and affection. (Cheers)
Sir r. PEEL denied the accuracy of the hon. End learned
members statement to the great happiness and pros
periy Of Ireland from 1881 to the period Of the Union
and quoted authorities to show that the corruption and
prongacy of the Irish Parliament had reduced that
try to the condition OF petty province The fright hon
bart. then proceeded to comment upon the in
which Lord John Russell had referred to Lord Lynd
hurst whom he eulogzed in the highest terms and rdi
culed the appointment of Lord Campbell Lord Chan
ceo of Ireland as being gross aront to that country
lie had always advocated the right of the Catholics to
fair share in the representation and Offices of the state
since the passing OF the relief bill He then referred to
The camor that had raised against the appointment
of Mr. Sergeant Howey, Catholic He would only
word the subject Of the address of the Protestant
Operative Association These addresses matters Of
and uncharabe sentiments he had taken the liberty
rebuke them. They were charged with desire 10 gov
ireland by military force but he wished to know to
whom was il owing they unable to present reduced
estimates with regard to Ireland. In March, sl3 the
artation commenced in Ireland and that considsra
bly, heightened by the introduction Of the poor law bill
the general agricultural depression and the alterations in
the tariff Then followed the determination to agate for
the Repeal Of the Union The government resolved to
rely upon the ordinary law, because he declared en-.
phatically, there nothing he deprecated much as
resorng Parliament Tor extraordinary upon the
ppfa a. he Ia. lord's
government under similar circumstances had introduced
coercion bill for Ireland II said that they had en-
trapped the persons ogtatng for Repeal of the Union
by making no declaration OF their sentiments but he
thought nothing could be stronger than the declarations
they had advised Her Majesty to make the subject
lie thought he had fully vndicatcd the conduct Of the
with regard to Ireland and he should not be
driven by any taunts from the which he
solved 10 pursue lie thought there should be identity Of
representation and of franchise with England and Scot.
land and it upon that principle the government in
tended to legislae. With regard to the Establshed
al LII. e.