The New York herald., 1844-12-19
Board or Education.

such views having recev I'd direct reprtmand from the
Mr. JOHNSON moved the usual order of business be
pended and the following resolution be taken up: =
Whereas by the iah section Of the act entitled An
act the more eectusly to provide for Common School
Education the city Of New York is declared, that
nothing therein contained shall sutnorze .ne Doa,a
from any Of the schools provided for BY this
act and whereas in the opinion OF this board It s not
Of ward to do that which by the said act the
Bosrd Of Education prohibited from doing therefore,
without note or comment from any Of the schools
blished under the act either by forbddng the
use thereof IN any school Or schools where the same
introduction and use of the same violation Of the
law
Resolved That such violation Of the law will, in the
opinion of the Board preclude any school schools
offending from participating in, or being entitled any
MIR. SxIDMoRE called for the ayes and noes, when
Mr. NIcaoI rose, and opposed the passage Of the
hs to :s
them He did not think that the subject had been fully
and freely discussed by the Board and trusted that snch
resolution wOul not be passed without calm delbera
ton aud discussion He was OF opinion that the l2th
section Of the referred to- would justify the pas
that boasei liberty Of conscience, which made every
American proud Of his country The law % ex.
clas.d all ssctaIian book and such dc1pne
science and the particular version of the Bible which
was adopted by any particular denomination OF Chris
ans, 1t not for them to force upon any denomination
set of Christians Of opposite belief form of wor
ship The subject had been fully discussed at the last
meeting.
Mr. ELY in reply and could not for the life Of him
the objection which was entertained towards the
Bible He could not what offence there was in intro
ducng the Bibles in the public schools
Mr. DENNY followed In support of the views Of the last
speaker and expressed his asonshment that the Bible
protesting to be Christians. II would appear however
that the only sect Of protesting Christians who opposed
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whether not they would yield to the Catholic
portion Of the community and consent to the exclusion
Of the Bible from the Common Schools. They, at
his side of the House, were not disposed to use
force or coercion-.not to take the Bible in one
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yield to the opinions of the small minority who thus o
posed the because Of the threat held out by the Catho
lcs namely the withdrawal of their children from the
public schools in the Of their introducing the Bible
into the public schools It was said that because the old
could not fully comprehend the Bible the young ought
not to be allowed read it without note or comment
but he was Of opinion that such argument in favor
Of its exclusion as God invited the early attention even
OF little children read it. The Catholics say Let
children read at homen They teach their children to
hate the Bible, and wish it to be read in the public
not educated with the Bible they had better let
them grow in ignorance they would be less capable
Of doing to their and t the IT,
of certain small portion Of the community, still
they owed duty to Themselves to support the majority
MEMBER--The constitution guarantees due defer
ence TO the opinions of the minority.
Mr.. DENNY continued-The time, he trusted would
never come, ,Wnen
Of these chjren from the public schools and withhold
ing their funds from the public schools by the Catholic
portion Of the community would induce @ them to keep
tanned fact that this all the work of the Pope OF Rome
who prevented the common people from using the Bible.
Dr. SwEENyI must protest against any such insinua-
on unless the gentlemen has grounds upon which
to rely besides his very fertile imagination.
Mr DESS1. Il shall appeal to the gentlemen present i
assertion from recent indications.
DR. SwEENy-I again would urge that unless the gentle.
okosr
right to introduce the name Of the Pope of Rome For
my own assert in place that there founda-
Mr. DENrY-Ieave it to the Board to determine if il be
not their opinion that the Pope of Rome has been the
principal instrument in working up this agitation. Look
Dr. swnENr-what has New Orleans to do with this
question
CHAIRMAr-The gentleman of the 9th reply-he
Mr.. DsNNY-Look to Buffalo
Dr. SwEENy.I cannot what has Buffalo the Pope
OF Rome ts do with this business all upon the
vague assertion of the gentleman whose heated magina.
ton induces him to believe
CHAIRMAN The gentleman Of the 9th can reply, but
Dr. swrEs1.Nwhen % find the gentleman travelling ou.
Of the question and dealing forth imaginary grievances
CHArRMAs.-The gentleman Of the 9th will have an op-
portunity to reply, but he must not interrupt.
MI DENNY was Of opinion that the Pope of Rome had
much to do in interfering with their institutions and
remained for them to put check upon foreign influence
in this free land There coercion used by their
friends in advocating the use OF the Bible in the Common
Schools and he repudiated all idea Of forcing their way
upon the Catholics Of New York. insnuated with
the Bible in hand and the sword in the other-by the
gentleman from the 9Th, at their last meeting
Mr. ENGs-(who just came in)-will the Board ex-
cuse me for asking what IS the business Of the evening
was just passing by, and did not understand there
to be meeting this evening. Roars sf laugherj ar
cool and deliberate view Of the chairmsn and the mem.
hers present his snu box and with his usual
ndire manner made an humorous remark to of his
brother members, when
Da swEErY rose and said he did not mean to make q
speech but to give an explanation Aliuson had been
in which It was insnuaed that they the Boerj-wanted
% ferce the reading Of the Holy Scriptures in the Public
other" He dsclamed any intention of aributing such
motives to the Board as he merely spoke fguratively
in ireland he submitted that he had already quail
fed his remarks in the discussion referred by the
gentlemen n-This was all he wished to say.
MIR. RICH followed and was of the opinion that the
Board had no right to force the bill the conscience
Of their Catholic brethren Il the introduction Of an
illegal system Of pains and penalties contrary to the
prt Of the constitution-and he locked upon the pre-.
sent extraordinary proceedings as an attempt to revive
the hidsous spirit Of the Philadelphia ensation)-
which has brought much disgrace upon the country
(Sensaon These resolutions, which savored Of despo
sm, adopted would be disgraceiul to the country lie
The CHAIRMAN (afer requesting Mr. Emmett 70 take the
Chair expressed his astonishment that when the subject
their Committees and under their consdsrsiion that Il
should be brought upin the present way He was so
astonshed that some me nber did not move to have
the resolution laid the table They had power in
addition to that delegated by the act of s42 and they
bound to obey that law and they could
the members to act in opposition to IT,
Mr. Ely contended that the Bible ought to be admitted
o class book.
Mr. GALES followed and was Of opinion that the sub
ject was that required not hasty action. Members
might talk about church burning and Philadelphia riots
they pleased and the opinions the legislature on the
subject before themsti he Of opinion that they
should not take party action on the subject.
MT ALLEN considered this whole question was an
opposition to the Bible the part Of members.
or ErGs rose to order
Mr.. EMMErr seconded and called the gentleman to
order.
Mr.. ALLEN considered he had right to express his
views freely.
CHAIRmAN-The gentleman has no right to interrupt
MIR. ENas-I shall call to order when the gentleman
goes out OF il by his remarks
Mr. EMMErT-I submit, Mr.. Chsirman that | have a
right call to order when the gentleman Is out Of order
CHARMAN-Certainly.
Mr.. ALLEN-A gentleman compared the reading OF the
Bble at late meeting, to eating pork (Roars o laugh.
teri