The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-04-08

OF the monarch TO rafify one c0ndtlon on winch
the union had been carried {" hear" from the OPP
position But would ask you, IS there any man
now living that does not regret that inc union was
not mace complete 3 Clear, hear) think that
man would be the most stuPii o. noman oelnss VINO M,
uaion was not a real one, and not merely nomi-
nal one-(hear, hear) Time was when you might
have made any arrangements you pleased. There
were III out OF II of the Roman Catholic bishops of
Ireland who professed themselves ready to receive,
not only a salary from the state, but even contem-
plated the giving TO the Crown the power Of nomi-
mating them -(Hear.) You could have settled every
concession, but anhappuy the old cry Of "the
Church Ia danger" was raised !; and the oppOrtuni-
ty which then existed was lost for ever-(Hear.)
The union has been happily described by Lord By
ton only OF the shark with its prey" What, will
Just ASK you, the first Of the imperial parll
smen! The first piece Of legislation passed in this
house was an act suspendIng the Habeas Corpus
Act, putting an end to trial by jury, and sub)ecing
the whole Kingdom to the operation OF martial law
-(tiea..) PIT again came into Office, and as he
had resigned on the principle that ne had professed
he might have been supposed likely 10 be opposed
to those measures when they were first brought
under discussion. He withdrew his opposition he
lost his honor and character but he kept his place
The minister who succeeded Pitt abolished the
slave trade in the West Indian colonies but he did
nothing for Ireland They brought in measures to
allow Catholics to obtain rank In the army and navy
OF their country, while we We're IN the midst OF a
most tremendous war. But even this bill was only
one for the purpose OF ncreasiDgthe plerogatves OF
the Crown and l am sure it will be admitted that
1t would be great injustice to the hon. and gallant
officer on the opposite side of the house (Sir n.
iMamge,1 "ho has so chivalrously fought and SUI
iered in the service, if he wa, not permitted to do
50 on accoant OF the religion he professed-(He
And there are and were many brave spirits like
HIN, with congenlal souls, who would be always
disposed to risk life and limb tor the chance OF
promotion in the service of their country (Hear
hear) There were gallant spirits such as he then
laboring in their country's carse-and 1t was Pc
riod of danger and struggle when something ought
to be done to meet the emergencies Of the time
Yet what was suggested for Ireland! Upon the
proposition OF that measure to which have alluded,
such was the bgUtted intatuatiOn OF the people OF
this country, that again the " No Popery cry' was
was again put forth, and several Wing country
members lost their elections because they voted
for that bill. Could anything be more absurd |!
Yes, but you may yet have an opportunity OF doing
val then got into the ministry, and he was pledged
TO perpetual hostility 10 the Roman Catholics. He
said to the Catholics, "You must stand by the
union as Catholics. There must be no concession
TO you" Well, we have got rid Of that; wonder
is the other perfectly secure (lear, hear) Will
the opinions have heard noble lord in this house
express will those have heard coming from Glas-
gov, tend to strengthen anything that may not be
secure in principle Perceval said the Catholics
should go further and did they not? clear }
You prosecuted them, and you succeeded in one
prosecution and did not succeed in another; but
did all this prevent them from carrying out their
struggle successfully? (Iear, hear.) When the
power Of Napoleon was at its height, and was di
rected against you, the Catholic people of Ireland
were with you, preserved In their feelings and allie
glance by body to whom too little credit has been
given tor their conduct mean the Catholic clergy
Of Ireland, who alarmed by the spread Of the mi.
deity OF the French Revolution---that infdelity
which marked ITS hldeous progress in crime, which,
commencing in France, spread its lava throughout
Europe-interposed their influence to check its
course. You had the Catholic clergy with you,
who prevented many rejecting and reasoning men
from combining 10 dangerous association to ex-
press the sense of their wrongs, which, by reaching
France, would have shown the French Emperor
the facility OF conqzerlne that country. (Hear.)
And delig IN the mistake which the French
Emperor made IN undertaking the importance
pr pursued ned towards Ireland was, at the time
of Napneon, Invariably regulated by his sue.
cesses or msfortunes When Napoleon won the
battles Of Lutzen and Butzen, and no anticipation
entertained of his reverse of fortune the House
of Commons came to the resolution that the Cath
Ole claims, indeed, should receive consideration,
with view to their settlement. In the interim
Napoleon tell; and II became safe again TO treat
Ireland she was always treated, that consid-
erauoa was postponed. Accordingly it became
necessary for us to do something for ourselves and
the Catholic Association was formed, and we had
our monster meetings, parochial, provincial, and
Simultaneous, all through the country. You at
tempted prosecution by coercion bill in 1925,
but you ailed-(oppositon cheers Recollect the
opportunity you then had OF conciliating Ireland
The bishops and the Catholic leaders al! came
to Engiand-we went almost on our knees to ysu;
you could get from us then what you could not gel
now-you could turn thousands from agitation to
gratitade-you had that opportunity, but you lost it,
Ike all the rest remember being under that gal
lery when the right hon baronet opposite introdu-
ced a measure which he well knew at the time
would be rejected in another place. Home we all
went, the country was raised, agitation recommen-
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1923 by majority OF 1900, In opposition to men,
Der OF the government OF the day, and the result
was that emancipation soon followed Opposition
cheers) But II was given in an undignified way.
That which should have been received as boon
was extorted by necessity. But no signals of tri-
umph were shown on that occasion in my country
men. But your union was full of mischief. 1t was
fraudulent contract, which l25, 900 bayonets were
bribery; and yet you did not scruple to use the
sheeres. dishonesty In lis details, for you took away
2O) members from US and left us but 100, when at
least we were entitled to LOO. In like manner,
when you gave us the Emancipation Act, you sac
rihced the 40s: freehodeIs and gave US lN
franchise instead. understand the whisper of the
noble lord opposite though cannot hear it. But he
is 'aistaken IN supposDg that agreed to that mea-
sure. agreed to sacrifice only the fictitious fran.
chlse, not the real (hear.) But in everything you
did the Church was always your scapegoat. In
everything proposed for the people of Ireland injury
and injustice were remarkable. so il was with the
Reform Bill, and tine Municipal Bill In giving
the benefits of reform to England and Scotland a
very different line OF conduct was pursued from
that adopted towards Ireland. If we had $50 mem
bers, as should have had if the same proport,on
was gwen OF representation, do you think you
cond continue to carry on the exclusive scheme of
policy you have adopted in that coun,ryl We com
PLAIN also OF the limited state Of the franchise. -
CLEAR, hfar) 1.-THE honorable and learned mem.
Der here compared the population of several coun-
ties OF Ireland and that of Wales, contrasting
the number OF each had respectively
and asked them, Did any one imagine Ireland
could be content with that?"1 But this was not
enough for noble lord opposite (I.ord Stanley
brought In measure, which, though in opposition,
he carried through that house, which would sIli
more limit the franchise. In 1884 there was dis
custom IN that house on the repeal question, and
though there was majority of 500 against the mo.
ton, solemn pledge was given by the King ,ords
and Commons, that the grievances of ireland
should be redressed; For four years we declined
me repeal agitation, lest II nigh, be said that we
refused to believe a solemn promise which though
not morally the law, had nearly all the effect. be