The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-01-11
Hou.. Of Rsprsss N tatives.

After the reading and referring o sundry resoiu-
tons and bills OF no great importance, of IN.
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON called tor the orders VI ING
day. ~,,.s e tho suh.
ject for the morning hour: e.
BARNARp-I wish to offer a resolution Gaining ioi
information, sir.
WIsE-I wish leave to present minority report
on the rules, majority report has been preseh-
ted during my absence 80
rupt my request. 49, ,
WIsE-Certainly not, if the gentleman will allow
my request. !Laughter)
BARNARD-Mlne was the first In order, sir.
WIsE-And mine ought to be the first in order
by courtesy. Naughter)
THoMpsoN-Mr. Speaker, what Is the order OF
"S r uay subject Of the rules for the morn
SEvERAL MEMBERSHIP. Speaker-Mr. Speaker.
(Great contuslon)
orders of the day
WIsE-Now, sir, I ask leave to present minori-
ty report. 80.
ADAMs-Sir object to any further delay OF this
subject and hope the House understands that the
debate this subject is TO 60 on until the queson
is disposed Of The present rules were only adop-
ted by very small majority, on the understanding
that report revising these rules was to be speedl-
ly presented for adoption by the House.
Finally, WISE obtained leave to present minority re-
port in favor of sustaining the celebrated 25th rule
Mr. A. " BnowS-Now, sir this materially changes the
aspect Of the debate on the subject Of these rules
CLINToN.-Yes, sir and therefore move to postpone
the further discussion of the rules to this day two weeks
This done by the democrats in order that Mr. Ad
might make report on the Massachusetts resoiu
tons which they could vote to convince southern de-
that they sincere in their opposi ion to the
although they say they must vote 20 a. a1o
killed off in the north and east
Mr. ApAMs.-Can simple majority, sir change the or
der OF business
srrAknn.-Yes. sir majority can postpone to aday
certain.
au1rpu tVv0.
srEAnnR-The Chair decides that majority has the
ApAMs.- Then, sir, appeal from that decision
W. J. BRowS-I move to lay the whole subject on the
no, no, Brown that wont do. Withdraw it. No. MOI
WHTE.-Wil it not require two-thirds to take 1t up
SpEAHERt will require two.thirds, SIR
WisE-Wl the motion carry the whole subject on the
spEAxERIf prevails, it carries all connected with
the rules to the table
WINTHROP nd does the Chair recollsct SUBJ
ect being taken after being laid on the table by
srEAxER.-The Chair does not recoect instance
Laughter)
WiSruRop-No, so l thought, sir call the ayes and
noes.
They were called-avss, 70; noes, lo7. So the House
refused to lay the report on The rules on the table
Mr. BRowN.-What is the question: now, sir !-(Laugh'
teri
th' subectthe gentleman from Massachusetts appeals
| from this.
SAUNpERs-How can the Chair declde I'LL the 'o'en
| taken :?
ADAMS (sarca'tcaly) Does the gentleman appeal
sAuNpEns-No sir but the Chair can
ApAMs-(angrly)-Oh yes, but the Chair has decided
WHrrE.-h this subject is postponed, how will it stand
| in the order of business this day two weeks
sPEAKERt will take precedence of all other business
1t now the first business in order and will be 80 then
WHIrE-Thais the same az making 1t the special order
Of the day.
McCLELLAsp-Does the Chair give opinion or dsci.
sion7
spEAKER-It is the decision Of the Chair
INSTRUMENTATION can decision be made without
voting7
Finally the House sustained the decision ofths Chair
Mr.. BRowN-Now, sir, shall show
SPEAKER Trapping his hammer on the desk)-Ihs NOR
ming hour has expired. (Laughter)
This running fire will show the tone and temper OF the
House on the 25th rule, which will be abolished
The House then went into Committee Of the Whole,
and took that portion Of the Presidents Message reat
ing to the Improvement of the western waters WIN
in the chair You have already published iu de
bates on this matter; OF the speeches to day
made for home consumption, merely send sketch
| of them
Mr.. WELLER said-sr, l shall not dctain the House
longs but the western and lakes have been so long
neglected that it is time bold stand made by the
members from the west in this House. We have " =
called, In some the Rev ORR psra., :;s iosuai
Of wild catamount Laughter) Perhaps we are lit
tie wild and untamed sir; but if we are sir we know our
rights and will maintain them Sir $6OOO0 900 asked
appropriations for forts and docks and harber on the
seaboard. Why is not as large sum granted to US
| Again. $500 600 asked for the Hudson River which
has hut obstruction the Oversaugh and yet that
|
BILE for l2OOO miles Look at valleys rivers and Er
tile fields and whether or not we are wild and Nm
tanned cubs of catamounts Much iaughter) l wish
| this matter, sir, to 60 to Select Committee
| Mr.. WENTWORTH, Of Illinois Q.ong John)-Sir wish
this question to be divided Let the friends OF the Mssis
sppi and other rivers have select committee they
wish it, and am willing to give them large appropria.
ton for improving those rivers but wish the subject Of
the great Western Lakes go to the committee
merce; the gentlemen composing that committee
from Boston New York. Pennsy lvana, &c, in whom we
have the highest confidence and the interest: Of those
fad
And there is feature that hope will be Farcula
regarded, sir is the interest of the Illinois canal and
its condition. Sir although Illinois is deeply in debt the
people ofthat State will be able as they are now will
ling redeem all their liabilities, dollar for dollar, prn-
cipal and interest if that canal be completed Sir speak
the feelings Of the people OF Illinois, when say that we
are for paying at once snd as soon IN. b
thank God are honest Qaughter) Reputation has
been and will be repudiated by u.s. Our ability to pay
depends upon the action Of this Congress there are
many millions OF of public lands unsold; give us
but comparatively small portion these lands and well
soon pay what owe, and complete all our internal inn
provements Then our state viii improve emg rants,
now frightened away by fear Of taxation, will
flock into the State, and we shall 20 on prospenng
DIANA and she will soon be out Of debt But whe-
Illinois gets relief not she never will repudiate her
debts, will she sanction any such doctrine. The
young of Illinois bent interest pay to some
extent, Immediately and | know that many in this Hall
would And glorious day it would be- sir, for ALL
For one when it arrives, would say with the good man
of old, Lord now lettes thou thy servant depart in
peace, for mine eyes have our salvation" Laughter
and appause) Sir, ! would celebrate that day like
jubilee! Gaughter) Aye, sir next after the birth
day of Saviour, and the day which American
dependence declared, would worship the day that
redeems Illinois from bankruptcy and debtthe day OF
credit restored and honor reganed (ConIdsrobIs sp
piause) - ,
Mr. SEYMOUR, of N Y.-said he in favor Of liberal
appropriations for the western waters, parcuary LOT
the lakes but he could overlook the immense import
othe Hudson river All the commerce OF the lakes
down that river and it was connected with all the
waters Of the northwest by the Erie Canal WORK that
Congress had refused assist This canal would soon be-
then sail from New York to Chicago without unloading:
The commerce of the Hudson river and Erie Canal
amounted to 81 900 900 annually and yet only S33oooo
had been expended on the Hudson river improvement
He wished the subject referred to the Committee on Conn
merce -
Mr. BARNARD closed the debate for to-day He said there
were 1900 vessels sailing the Hudson and liz steam
boats with aggregate OF 10 600 tons on the lakes
Mr. WILKINS said there 500 steamboats, on tho