The New York herald., 1844-11-18

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The rejected Elder Of the Mormons Of Nauvoo,
once OF their most powerful leaders, has been
tor the past week in this city and neighborhood,
giving lectures on the Mormon faith, with the OBJ
ject Of getting up church and sect entirely on his
own hook. The place appointed for the delivery
OF his lecture yesterday the large room Of the
Deutsches Bierhouse, at the junction Of Houston
and First streets, near avenue A, where the Native
American party Of the 18th ward have of late held
their meetings, and where many Germans resident
in the neighborhood frequently assemble to have
their singing parties. The emblems of the other
different occupants OF the room hung around, and
gave it a somewhat singular or unusual appearance
for place of worship About the time mentioned
for the delivery of the lecture, halpast ten O'clock
there were assembled three old ladies, two younger
ones, three little girls, ten male adults, and one
little boy; these afterwards increased by about
as many more at the close of the service. twas
near upon eleven O'Clock ere the Elder, accom-
panied by friend, made his appearance. He isa
tall, stout, elderly, genuemanly looking man,
apparently about sixty years OF age, hollow
mouthed, having lost his front teeth. His
delivery is rather indistinct and low, and
very rapid; at other times quite as loud, rails
ing his voice to the highest pitch He is evidently
person but OF limited education, least that
despses the common form by which such as this
is generally. .denoted; very disointedin his matter,
so as almost to defy knowing what particular OBJ
ject his subject had reference to. He used his left
hand as il he was pumping violently, every now
and then assisting with the right and hitting the
desk 80 violently with one or both as to make eve-
| ry thing on it spring upwards TO considerable
| height, and keeping those hsar him from mapping
| if inclined.
Having mounted the ro5trun at the lower end
| OF the room, in company with the person with
whom he entered, and another, the latter read a
hymn in such astyc, that it sounded as if he was
on horseback, going at an ambling pace this was
| sung to one OF those tunes which was SO popular
among the different political parties during the re-
cent election in this city, principally by the Elders
companion, who made up for any want Of sweet
ness Of voice by strength Of lungs This was sue
ceeded by brief rambling extemporaneous prayer
by the same person, chiefly consisting Of various
texts Of scripture, doveailed into one another, in
many instances, not with the best possible taste or
| judgement.
After this, Elder Rigdon stood up and announced
that the subject Of his address would be found as
| foows:-
".and The father Of circumcision to them vho not Of
fa Of or ather abraham ,vhich he had being yet nc.
| c,mcised," &c. Rom D. l2-2s, included.
There never was before since the days OF ST. Paul
prncpes iaid down in the words Just read as 1t Paul
himself There never man OF such extensive know
ledge, familiar with ell the subjects which was necessary
that could well imprint this knowledge the mind Of
his fellow He was not alone content wi the
fact but sought to carry the mind back far
the human mind was capable Of going far as human
intelligence possible be led In his attempt do
this he led contemplate as far back the very be-
ginning OF things-even mediate upon what existed
before this world was creaed-he plans upon which the
kingdom Of heaven was basel On this question no one
1t is true that some of the other Apostles informs
Of their natural acquaintance with heaven, but St Paul
received bis information directly rem the Lord himself
the only true from which such knowledge could
In the days of st. Paul there existed very singular
controversy the world which gave rise the words
thetxt The Jews had notion, which believe many
them have at the present time as the Of
ton that they were the rgSifa heirs to ali things on
. on ba Paul ,s h hheTsser tssn N" y rc s
hs subject may be traced in the writings and doings
some of the other Apostles, but it was Paul alone who
could eucidate thenatter Now, the words Of the text
clearly said particularly the iath verse; For the pro.
mise that he should be the heir OF the world not
Abraham or his seed through the law but through the
inherit this salvation that looked for by the Jews
that this Salvation did not arise Of good works.
Christ No could be saved by works
Of righteousness, by the offerings Of bulls goats,
II
or any Of the patriarchs that ever exsted or ever
would exist. Paul himself once had the same netion as
Now b with S sw h
her they could poss this salvation the seed Abra
ham, whether it necessary for them to turn to
Christ obtain it, was to show them the latter that
caused Paul to write the Epste from which the
takento show them that all, matter of what seed
generation, tribe sect II they had faith in the Lord
Jesus, they would inherit this salvation. This was
bringing the point to its Legitimate ISSUE and in doing
goes back to the very foundation OF the netion that
tuas bandpd w n end of tmp pau
showed that it could not be handed Gown BY the Priest.
hood, for they required sacrifices for their sins
therefore, they could not give 1t to others Abra.
ham could not receive it from Melchzaieck the Priest
then how possible for salvation to from Abra
ham by descent and thcml II Pauls object to
get them to fix their minds few Interchangeable truths
He back and showed what got by this belief
laid in the silent tomb and he evidenced that il was
the design OF God from the very foundation of the
Of the world, to n by the sacrifice Of his Son.
Now very curious question arose out OF this which
inclined to ask and that waswhat God himself could
10 for the salvation Of the world Now it is evident
that every thing was intended for this salvation, and all
that God could, can will do for this purpose. He
formed man like himself and set him in this world not
that Cod could not carry Adam farther than where he
placed him, and then what could Adam do towards his
own salvation was another question now wish to say
something Of creative power What il II Is i'm.
possible to make nething out Of nothingwe had
count of it the formation Of matter and endowing
the key to unlock the whcle Of the matterthe making
Of spirit and matter subservient to each other. Now
not make himself out Of nothing no could he exist with
| out creative power. What created God would 20 on
creating other spirits, therefore il impossible
that creative could exist independent of
Matter and spirit In their very natures opposed
to each other and II these alone existed in heaven il
would not be very good place; and If they existed
alone earth, it would be still world. Now,
what was that made the most harmony in this world
II was the ties which bind man to mar The object ot
heaven put things together and bind them in har
mony. Now want to talk Of heaven great DEAL and
will say something Of it. Even il Jehovsh did make
hirQs mt of tbo o1s~bt~
difference: 1t would be than one of you making
amill Salvation was the object Of IT, to save us at last
That there is necessity for sin, to all who studied the
matter, it must be evident; and PaHl himself says,
| Where sin Is there grace much more abouDds" The
truth OF this wish you to feel as have DONE Every one
that this earth alike There il not one
particle of difference in US and we are afterwards in
great degree formed the circumstances by which we
are surrounded Now let us what these circun.
| stances Let look nt the conduct Of the father