The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-04-08

There were present at the opening Of this days
proceedings about thirty persons, in the lecture
room at Clinton Hall. The Fourierites seemed
evidently much chagrined at the apathy OF the
New Workers on the subject Of Fourierism and
expressed their deep disappointment and dissatis-
faction, as will be perceived by some remarks that
| fell from Mr.. Dana and Mr.. Wrightman. A large
| file of French journal, called the " Democratic
PaclfqN, dated 10Th Of February, was distributed
through the room. This paper is published in the
French Capital, and is exclusively devoted to
the advocacy of Fourier's doctrine. 1t is entitled
Z" Journal DIES Interests DIES Goupernments e DIES
Psnple;" and has for its motto, in Latin |" Ut ON
mes fatres sint:" (Matthew) " o'nmes
SIT" Uoannes;) with the French inscription, "Uni,
te soctale-Religiemse ct politique ax fraraA
-tibre eramen-electione This journal Is perfectly
independent, and attacks the Chamber Oh Depu'ies
| without any regard to party.
| The CHAIRMAN announced the hour OF meeting
had arrived; and wished the gentlemen TO proceed
with the business Of the Convention. =,
| resolution, which he took pleasure IN reading tor
the meeting. 1t was as follows:
That regarding association not an invention OF hui
society," we soemny protest anst reiardng this provi
Dental and humane movement, by premature rash ana
agmenary undertaking. and loresee1g we 90 that
our race with the request that they do not attempt to
operation Of sufficient number Of men and women Of
congenal tempers, dsvoeddrom generous impulse and
conviction to this of God and man until I'd, They
have maturely deberated upon and distinctly compre.
hended the laws Of order and the arrangements which
command such ample capital 10 preserve them from
snxeties and risks For only when these conditions are
abundant wealth and beauty which are the foundations
upon which the higher social and religious harmonies
must be reared Only thus associations be success
fully established rejoice in the that
when established they will act with increasing
power thoroughly to redeem the tens OF thousands OPP
pressed BY and temptation, from their present mise
res which superficial character but only radical JUS
tice can relieve cure.
He (Mr. c. wished to say few words in rela-
| ton to the passage OF the resolutions which were
to be presented; and one Of them in particular, en-
bodied the whole principles OF association, which
| covered the entire ground upon which they had
met; and may, indeed be considered the chief one
in connection with their convention, and 1t stood
the sixth in the series. When that came up he had
few remarks TO offer in relation to it, as it was
forward to the people of the United States: That
resolution viewed the question from synthesis to
anaysis-from principles to details, and had refer
ence to the union of man with his God. 1t was IN
LIST October, when they contemplated holding
another In relation to the establishment OF town:
ships, much detail was requred but they would
so on progressively, step by step, until they would
make the United States one uniform assoclatlon
so as to unite all in one common bond OF union
and love, and which would put away the demon
Cain that was stalking abroad in the land, and
covering the world with sin and wickedness
To carry out the objects Of the Association to their
full extent 1t was contemplated to send heI rie nd
Mr.: Brisbane, to Europe. His untiring zeal and
upon the friends of association in the Uniteu States
and the deep confidence they had in his moral
worth and high capabilities, the gratitude they felt
for his services, and the sacrifices he had made
to work out the great objects OF association, would
insure him the respect and attention OF their
! friends in Europe.
The Chairman here put the fourth resolution
from the chair, which was carried mem. con.
A short discussion here arose as to the locality
for holding the next Convention.
Mr.. DANA was IN favor of Boston. The people Of
New York were not alive to this movement, and
Boston would be a better place, as the New Eng
landers were INTEL gent the subject of AS.
sociation and the neglect and utter careessness Of
the people of New York rendered it imperative 10
hold it elsewhere.
Mr.. WRIeHrMAN was in favor of Boston.
Though he was a native of New York, and the
very paving stones were familiar to hm-(laughter)
Though the ldermen OF the city did not pay much
attention to the sweeplng-(roars Of laughter)
though he loved his native city, he was in favor
Of Boston, or some other locality where the prn-
ciples OF Association may be better appreciated
Here they were neglected-here, where theN ex-
pected to find the classes which they sought to
benefit-but the domino box, the chequer board,
and the card table, had greater charms for these
persons than their meetings had
Mr.. WATSON offered some remarks in favor of
locality more central than Boson-more to the
West-and hoped to see this grand conspiracy ex-
tended all over the Universe. Such was his amb-
ton, and such way did he determine upon.
Mr.. J.; R. SMITH (who is, we understand, the
painter OF the Park) here rose and said, the gen.
tleman who has last sat down has spoken of a con-
splracy believe, Sir, your Association is a con-
spiracy, such as would take from the working imam
the wages for his labor, and then range and classify
and give him but the poor privilege Of eating at the
third table. This is just what you mean to do-to
establish sort OF kdglove aristocracy in the land
sir, that this is anti-Republican and contrary to the
spirit and letter Of our Constitution, which gives
perfect freedom to man, ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
melled.
forward. He mstook the meaning applica-
ton ct the word conspiracy used by his friend,
Mr.. Watson. 1t was a conspiracy to reform the
thousand abuses that had existed in the world, and
which this movement was calculated to remedy
Mr.. g. here replied to the remarks OF Mr.. Smith,
and the course Of his remarks went over the ee-
neral ground OF the Fourier doctrine and princ-
pies.
Mr.. LIST said he was glad that his friend, the
working man, had said what he did, and felt him
self called upon to make some observations in reply
He thought 1t proper that he should do il, because
born OF poor parents and of the humble classes
left an orphan and in poverty at two years Of age
and having had thousand difficulties to encounter
as he grew up, without paron-because he
would not stoop to solicit one-having worked at
many branches OF industry, and even on the farm
Before starting Tor this convention, he had left off
his work to do so. He felt he should make remark
in reply. Applause.) In the first place he differed
from his friend, and their difference was precisely
as to the same facts-but upon comparison Cf
ing men had no feelings against this movement
On the part OF the working men of New England,
he dlsclamed the assertion of their indifference to
it, He knew they felt deeply interested in the
movement they were engaged in, and well they
might, if like him they had TO labour IT, Is, or 20
hours day, to win from some imperous mono
gost as much as would preserve life and health
with those who had been called the "Kid-GIove
Aristocracy,"' and he thought some mistake exist
ed in the application Of the term. II did not apply
was certain. He was glad to see disposition to
labor on the part of his friend. He wished to see
every person so disposed. 1t was important that
there should be efforts made to make il attractive.