The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-04-05

Il Mr. MAcDANIEL sad-With regard to the resolution
that offered by Mr. Claiming there great differ
ence between hetwo As to making any changes in the
resolutions which have been read easily lay them
aUS wbch NAV b S1sa IN se IAN
desirous that the preamble should be adopted for it
has been prepared in proper spirit do not attach
about oInot attach much value for the objection OF
the world but wish those resolutions to 20 forth to show
what views the important subject ofsssociaton
For my part will hold myself responsible to any man or
Of prove that this association is but carrying
there not dOcns or principle enforced By christ
but reconcile with the principles OF Charles Fou
rer am glad therefore, that you are DISPOSED 10
his doctrine q science He did so because, acquainted
with all the sciences, and after minute and laborous
examination Of his system in this light he conclusvey
thought that it fully consistent with the physical
sciences and this he tested by experiment and verified
by the most accurate Of all the sciencestha OF mathe
matics. He invited to look Fouriersm, not
scheme or plan but as system OF fundamental truth
and much science astronomy by the
divine mind. But while Fourier puts his system forth on
this ground science he asserts also that Is re
gious ystem True he has been accused OF nGsey
but Notwithstanding this he was Christian, and one Of
the greatest and purest Of modern times He loved his
God and his fellow man. and he willing labor day
and night to bring to God to put the world in posses
sion Of the greatest amount OF happiness to promote the
unity between and man, and to show that true rai'
gion not inconsistent with the enjoyment OF all the
good things Of this earth His think that he has
these principles and they determined to
hold to them IT is then quite natural for us to place this
movement religious grounds | rejoice it has thus
been brought before you in the preamble, and hope,
therefore that you will adopt that preamble without de-
Mr. Wanp-I beg leave to observe, Mr. President that
as deputy from the Socialist Society at the corner Of
broadway am anxious to address few words to this
Mr. CmANsIrc rose and observed that thswas meeting
of the friends of association the principles OF Charles
Fourier and that il important to keep this in view
He wanted therefore to know iMrward appeared in the
| capacity Of friend to that system.
Mr. WARp-I understood that there to be perfect
freedom Of discussion this convention and under this
impression have nsen am not ignorant of the system
| of |
twelve ago to London to meet the French depua'
ton from that body Does. then, the gentleman put the
question TO with view to preclude from the right oil
expression all but those who are friends to c. Fonrerf
Mr. CHAsNrSe-I win answer that question, hope
meeting all those who friends TO the stem of Chas
Fourisrof all those who after examination are salts fled
specific meeting FOR definite purpose and viii sim
ply say to friend Mr. Ward that he is not in any ca
pacity but friend to association entitled speak
Mr.. WAnp-n then but the friends Of association
entitled speak permit to ask how can that be
with freedom Of speech when that speaking
explanation Of this that may be able to communicate the
substance to those who sent me here.
Mr.. CHANrisGIn answer to this, think the best and
shortest will be to read the call OF this meeting which
| Mr. Ward may not have heard.
| The CHAIRMAN, having read the call Of the meeting,
Mr. CLAIMING proceeded-Afer that think there can
be to the character OF meeting
1t is convention Of those Delegates who satisfied to
carry forwards the cause Of association is not meeting
for controversyt is for practical purposes and those
who do not agree in the objects cannot beadmed to oc
has fanny remarks to make to this meeting will be
conceded to him to speaknot right but because we
are not to light, come from where may-and that
we willing hear all the subject that can be said
Mr. BRows-It would be well to inquire Of Ward the
ious TO obtain information on the subject Of Fourier Asso
citation If they engaged in getting up Society in
favor of principles think sir answer to this will
Mr. WARD made a few remarks which were indistinct
he observed We do not believe in the infallibiy OF
Charles Fourier nevertheless we are engaged In the
objectsto relieve mankind from the present state
Of society, which corrups and degrades all Notwith.
standing some remarks OF the gentleman, taking oI
granted the nfaahli.y Of a man, and marked by some
aspery to those wko do not wish that good feeling
oSninr. TO be sure our principles are different from
make property Of ali kinds contribute TO the happiness
man without distinction. think have answered
the gentleman. We have estate in Pennsylvania and
We send men to it agreeable to our System. al
Mr.. MAoDANrEL-The gentleman says there is a small
difference between our system and his and that he has
read the works of Charles Fourier. Now if he has.
really do not see how he thus express himself IT,
he says they engaged in the ameoraon Of the hu
race, in the Of God let him continue to do so
oeass arg he u.s. no
versy demanded But think by his own confession
he could not he delegate Of this Association we hav
controversy although at proper time or occasion w
may perhaps do and not now when we are met for
Charles Fourier We have no objection however to NEE
any man at proper time and place. and discuss with hin
our principles and those he may advance. THIS is mol
now the question, and do not know how any man can
present himself under any other impression
rs & he rarve ms claim cHt 10 be- heard
and is matter which might create some dissatisfaction
the part ofhose who sent him. dissatisfaction which
upon reflection IL it caused must ourselves aa
nit, reason for But TO proceed more imme
diately subject The examination of the subject o
association to certain, but not TO its fullest extent 1t
the belief Of its friends that the faculties OF man
without exception, should, to certain extent be graft
thew should have the control We believe that property
is wanted to carry out systemto supply
the wants of human body and soul The present system
of property does supply those wants and we propose
required extent, just as we would sum want OF
nT else or Sa s
discuss the truth OF this We satisfied OF its Justice and
as ns % to-
his i welcome to do it. applause There naa Deen
property were essentially different from ours.
Mir CHANSss rose to observe that the meeting in Bos
open to all but that this was not Of the same kind
AMI gentlemen would do well TO make that distinction.
Mr.. LIST, continued -Ile hoped that if any gentleman
differed fom them, that it would be only retaidng thei
emsn would forget that their object was specific on the
occasion but that at another time they would be
ready to discuss the truth of their principles
Mr. WARD again rose and was proceeding TO reply to
what he thought challenge from. Mr. MAcpAS'rL t'
| discussion, when
MIR MAcpas,rL said gave you no such challenge.
Mr.. BRISBANE then arose--There is great difference
be drawn between our and that OF the social
ss which had its origin in England we go on religion,
principles and recognize the sacred right oil individual
property But do not wish to take up our time here in
the discussion oprivate property formation CT man
characteristic accountability, or the existence oil God
&c. &c, for well know that to enter on these topics
the convention might continue for centuries without end,
and therefore il is perfecyuseless TO enter this matter
therefore that Mr.. WardlOur Socialist friend, be
heard and let the subject be ended and then proceed
our business We have nothing further of
nature TO say and hope that the friends OF the conven'
ton will agree with me in thinking that discussion
would not advance any side
Mr. GREELEY addressed the meeting Tie said that was
well to give the proceedings as hud boon DONE religious
aspect although there difficulties attending upon so
doing II would be hard TO satisfy the world 1.-THE sub
ject OF religion alluded prominently it was cernin
they would get credit for religious movement and
they avoided the subject they would be accused Of ire
lgon and according to the peculiarly OF mems minds,
would they be blamed not for not attaching themselves
some particular sect and whatever they said they were
sure Of being msconcsved by the world and men would