The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1844-01-26

| MIR GlLMER explained, and said that the memorial
| Of MIR. Goggn had been printed and referred to the
Committee, and made part of its proceedings, and
it was but justice that his reply should accompany
| that memorial
Mr. DAVIS said that the gentleman was before
the committee and replied to all arguments, 10 per
son, presented for their consideration and which was
part OF the report and in justice to Mr.. Goggin,
who was absent, his argument should not be printed,
because other questions had arisen during his alb
sence
Mr. ELMER said there were parts of the evidence
foreign from the subject before the House. and they
had just well adopt Mr. Espey's opinion, if asked,
when he thought it would rain in Baltimore and
make that evidence as some which had been present.
ed TO the committee
Here desultory conversation took place between
Mr.. Thompson, of Mississippi and Mr.. Elmer, of an
explanatory character
Mr. NEWTON said that il had been remarked that
there were suspicious on the part of the aority as
to the motives OF tho minority in wishing to suppress
Mr.. Goggn's statement. He would state candidly
TO the House and the country that the argument of
Mr. Goggn had been prepared for home consump-
ton, thai 1t might go the People of the Albemarle
district, the land of Jefferson aud Madison to sustain
him IN his position but other facts had been pre-
scented to the committee, which destroyed the inen-
ton he had. 1t appeared to him that his colleague
was something like the Greek b egging the House
| to print the statement of his honorable
petitor, which would place him in false posi-
| ton before the country. His inject was simply to
| place Mr.. Goggn right before the country because
his statement had been made upon the evidence fur
nished him from the county of Madison, and he (Mr.
NJ had received evidence Of a contrary character
DUNG Mr.. Goggins absence, which he felt bound to
| state in justification of that gentleman who
hi h-miDded and honorable man.
Mr.. GlLMER said he neither Greek Tro-
jan, (aDd he presumed his colleague the Trojan
If he was the Greek) He sought tavors except
those which belonged to him as had been intimated
HIs Cop had ,toJ -.
of Mr. Goggin had been prepared expressly for Bun
combe; and al hough it had been said that bis dis
trict extended from Maryland to North Carolina yet
1t did not reach Buncombc His colleague alluded
to the mists, but he knew he would not expose his
friend 10 those mists-rain, if he pleases-o which
he had alluded; hence the anxiety not to publish his
written argument.
Mr. THOMPSON, of Mississippi, demanded the
previous question, which seconded
The question then REQUIRED on printing and the
yeas and nays were demanded-and, upon C, unit
there a second.
! Mr.. DROMGOOLE rose to point of order, and
contended that as both statements belong to the same
subject, they could not be 2eparated
Mr.. BEl.SER called for the reading Of the report
| and papers.
| 1t was objected to-
MIR. SCHENCK asked if gentleman had not the
right to ask for the reading of paper'
The CHAIR: If majority Of the House ordered
1t; but 1t was competent for any member to object
| Mr.. HAMLIN asked if the vote would not be first
| taken printing the report
| The CHAIR said, the report had already been or
dered to be printed and the question now was upon
the printing of the argument Of Mr. Goggin
The CLERK then called the roll and the following
Is the result: yeas l24 nays 81
SO the argument Of Mr. Goggn was ordered TO be
printed.
The question then required on the printing of the
argument of Mr.. Gilmer.
The yeas and nays called for, but they were
ed in The
| affirmative.
| So the argument of Mr.. Gilmer was ordered to be
printed.
Mr.. SCHENCK rose to privileged question, and
moved that all the papers connected with the report
be printed, that the whole might 90 to the country
together.
The CHAIR said they we're not before the House.
Mr.. SCHENCk then moved to instruct the COM
mttee to report all the papers on the subject
Mr. DROMGOOLE said tina, the papers should
have been reported, and placed upon the Speakers
table at the time, and he objected.
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON said the motion was out of
order after the committee had reported on the SUBJ
Ject
Mr. ELMER said if the House desired it, the com.
mhted were prepared TO report the papers.
The CHAIR then said the motion was in order
Mr. SCHENCk said that he had modified his mo
ton 50 as to meet the objections of the gentleman
from Virginia Mr. Bromgoole who was pre-
| sumed 10 be always right upon questions Of order
although he believed that there had been only two
questions submitted IN order since the commence
ment Of the session, and they were a suspension of
The rules and to adjourn. II had been stated that
there was disposition 10 suppress portion of The
evidence which was dishonorabe, and which no no.
norable man should have made although he CHARGED
dlshonorable motives to gentleman.
Mr.. HAhi4lN said he had not sta ed that the renor,
Of the minority Incorrect according 10 the evil
dence, but that the argument Of Mr. Goggin was diff
lerent from the statements in his printed memorial
lie knew nothing Of the contents Of the minority Re-
port, therefore he could not have alluded it,
Mr. SCHENCk continued in favor Of printing
The whole evidence that all might 90 to the country
| together, IN justice 10 Mr. Goggn, because add
tlonal evidence had been produced during his alb.
| scnce, and after he had made his argument
M's,rs. ELMER and GILMER here explained
and said that Mr.. Goggin had agreed 10 submit
the whole subject, upon their respective statements.
/ T. the committee.
Mr.. SCIIENCK said his object was TO print the
whole or none, that the people out of doors might
understand the question, and without which thew
could not. He said that in the first place wien he
objected to the printing of so large a document he
! had done 50 with an eye TO economy. Some gentle
men had sneered at it but he would remind The
gentleman from Virginia, who has said so mucb
about economy, that the fault Of printing sucb a vo
lume should not lay at his door lie could no. account
Tor the anxiety evnced Tor the printing of the argu-
ments except IT is TO ones name in print /,
had been remarked that book is book altbopeb
there is nothing in it, which was the case at pre
! sent.
Mr.. GILMER sand that the gentleman from Ohio
had said that he anxious to see his name whicb
was not the issue because he (Nr. G.. had contend
| ed from the beginning that all should be nrinted
therefore, II was not whether he should write bool
but his friend. 1t bad been wisely said "Oh thai
mine enemy would write book >" which be presumed
was the of his friend from Ohio who had eyinc
ed so much sensitlveness on the subject The cen
tleman perfectly willing that his statement sb9pId
I've printed, hut he objected To the printing of IN
statement Of Mr.. Goggn. So II appears that The
objection now - to bis (Mr Schenck-) name appear
ing in print He (Mr Gllmer) drew PAR llIel be-
tween the age OF himself and the gentleman from
Ohio, whom he presumed was not over "fhv." vet ne
thought he was young" enough TO see his name in
print, although he (Mr. was too "oId" To see hs
OF his friends name IN PRINT He was thankful 10
the gentleman for his lecture on economy and he