The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1844-10-16
lFrom the Philadelphia Spirit Of the Timesl
General Convention OF the Protestant EPis
copal Church In the u. b.
MONDAY, October IA, ]

MONDAY, October IA, 1874
Morning prayers were read, and the minutes
were read and approved
DIR. UPFoLD then moved to postpone the consl-
deraton OF the order of the day TO take up the re-
port OF the Committee on Rules. He thought that
by adopting them could have an opportunity OF
stopping what would appear interminable de-
bate.
Other gentlemen opposed this notion; they were
opposed to png business upon business; before get
ting through that portion which was before US,
without entering upon eny other. Important trans
actions were TO be decided by the Convention, and
the accumulation OF so many matters would but
impede the action of the House.
Judge BERREN thought there was process by
which the unpleasant state OF feeling could be al
ayed. The means for producing Cancellation pro-
posed, was resolution that the Convention had
heard the defence OF DR.. Hawks with undimnshed
confidence IN his integrity as a man OF honor
This could not be introduced without the consent
Of those who originated the motions now before
the House. He would, if they passed this conc-
atory motion, move to postpone the further con;
sideration of the matter until "Wednesday next and
in the meantime gentlemen could inform them
selves, in any manner they chose, as 10 the other
subjects OF the memorial This would rave an un-
pleasant debate, and il it should be pressed, he
should feel it his duty to analyze the memorial,
doing injustice TO none, but IN such manner as
must necessarily lead to protracted debate OF d
painful character.
Rev. PAUL TRAPPIR was about TO speak to the
question, but was out of order.
]. l.. G. CHAMBERS said that Judge Berrien had
IN his proposed motion, covered the whole ground
OF debate, although offered concliatory
measure. He Judge b had taken II Tor grantee
that all were prepared to vote on his propositlon
he had heard no lntimation Of such readiness ii
there e.those he did not know their names or
residences
The question on the postponement was then car
red, and the Report on the Rules OF Order taken
up Some time was occupied IN discussing these
rules. The House refused to allow the motion Ito
lie on the table" to be taken without debate, and
a a
ment TO amendment The House also refused
to adopt the previous question.
The PRESIDENT stated that memorial had been
laid on his table by the Rev. Mr.. Forbes, OF New
York. The reading was called for. II was signed
by the Rev. Dr. Muhlenberg.
Mr.. NEWTON, of Mass, objected to the reading
if IL contained any new charge against DR. Hawks
Mr.. CUNNINGHAM, of Va, also objected. 1t was
unprecedented to present any memorial or other
similar paper, unless through the agency of Some
member who would vouch Tor its being respectful,
and pertinent 10 some question before the House.
Rev Mr. FoRBEs. OF New York, stated that he had hast
lily read the memorial and that he could vouch for its
Mr. NswTos asked il il was any explanation or amer
ment to the former II il intended TO introduce any
matter he must object to it. The first memorial had
made all the charges.
Judge JorEs said that was a disjointed thing
Mr. NEwroN said he knew that Dr. Muhlenburg should
have sdered that and should have better prepared
himself He had been according his own account two
years concocng it. 1t would at this stage be the highest
act Of injustice to receive further The accusa
acted on, until the question had be,n tried under
the specifications which the party bringing them had
thought proper to introduce 1t Is the duty OF the House
TO pause and consider the they pursuing.
Judge JONES Of New York made reply that the only
question was as to the ordination Of the gener an,we
notto.pass any imputed guilt-the House had
Legislative power.
Mr. CussrsoHAM of Pennsy lvana after reviewing the
whole proceedings in the manner thought the question
Of moral honesty to be most expcit-it had been
brought before the House, and intended to attach
TO Dr. Hawks The resolution of Judge Berrien propos
il, before
had been The character Of the charge against DR. Hawks
in the memofia OF Dr. Muhlenseg, he should not now
stop TO characterize. II read and answered-when
answered heard allegation of evidence; the
whole was stated and submitted under the answer
OF the defence When the reply was made what then
done Did any individual propose rebuttIng testi
mony Was there any one said we want to answer Dr.
Hawks 2 No resolution then moved to the effect
that the charges had been tamely answered. This is
now the question not to be answered by further test
mony by additional facts, not by any rebutting tessi
mony which his prosecutors might bring forward
Rev MIR FoRsEs again entered his protest against the
use OF the prosecuting and He begged
the House to mark and this his protest The dele
gates from New York merely seek inquiry to his
merits as required to become Bishop they made
serfions or charges.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM cared little what the words used
were; when memorial goes charge crime person.
he knew not how could be better met than by calling il
prosecution.
Mr.. FoRrns equally objected to the word charge-it
was q simple statement
Mr. CUNNINGHAM continued We'll then the statement
read and actedon last Friday Alter the reply the
House was called to express its opinion to the valid
y OF the statement gentlemen proposed to
that we might come next morning cody prepared TO de-
eide whether it well founded. The only argument
for adourng that all might avoid the influences OF
Dr. Hawks coquence. What transpired in the morning.
DR. Mead came forward and made charges pro-
duced evidence the old Ones and these DR. Hawks
again answered before the House This answer was
tsfactory to many others not entirely satisfied
others not at all How does the matter stand We are
asked to opinion the subject matter before
us for our decision but when is found the shoe may
pinch too tight statements after another put
in just as members get up to call for action! "Such
poceedingsiwere entirely anomalous - He prepared
to admit that evidence might be proper when the
question comes up signing the testimonials far
they have reference to the good report 81 Dr. Hawks,
hut have nothing to do but with the first
ment and its answer We to decide whether the
cused has satisfactorily answered the statement against
him. 1t is too late now for rehutting testimony-such
thing never heard of when the jury had charge Of
Judge BERRrKs to place the matter in an Ineligible
position moved 10 lay the motion to read the document
on the table.
HoaAcE BIssnr, ESQ., said that would again bring up
the whole question The communication presented had
been vouched fora respectful and pertinent, and the
reading is objected to- The house in false posi-
precedent which had convussd it. Had ever happened
before that paper Of this character had been returned
aio on the table In this case II involved personal
matter to Or Hawksshould his friends here permit let
ter privately bearing his case, be laid the table
He wanted all possible iniormaton-he wanted the mind
OF the House drawn to all possible evidence which
to the signing Of the testimonials.
Judge BERREN replied there desire OF prevent
ing information but this document out Of order
nowthe object to be attained was settlement OF the
simple question before the House Ata proper time this
might probably be admitted It only protracted the
decision OF the legitimate subject Of consideration
Rev. Mr.. FoRsEs said the object Of the statement was
only put Dr. Muhenberg in his proper position. As
for the document itself the House may either receive
reject -he and his friends perfectly Indifferent
the matter.
Rev. Mr. Bow, of Mississippi, argued that the House
could not go on as ecclesiastical tribunal 10 try the
Bishop elect OF Mississippi lie objected to the receiving
OF the paper, and also to laying II the table the
House had nothing to do with Il at the present stage,
n lulOn M
then. If difficulty existed, it should go TO committee
The House now had testimony competent to fix the
character sustain the defence
Mr. NswToS thought il unfortunate that the gentleman
who sent in this memorial had thought Of II before he
sent this hrebrand into the Househe had IL year and
half under consideration He friend OF DR. Mullen
berghe had entrusted the education Of his children
his But II he IL In an awkward position, how are
wei He has chosen his position and must abide b. it,
but to read any additional document from him would be
most unjust TO DR. Hawks and undgnih in the House
We deliberately decided TO hear the first communication