Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1843-12-23

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me,nt Lake Chamrllin, Connect cut r'ver Nc, MS WEI
as ~. Mississippi and Ohio The Hon gentle man sa'o
tba, IN, President meant oil the lakes ana f'es OF '=
Union, 30 Tar as Congress had any Thing 10 40 VIZ"
them This bang the case they could nave ll'',e u'i
cn IN referring the subject oil all the lakes ana rivers
of the country, without cohiih'ne '"e ~
one Of them.
NJ ssissipp 10 be sure was most magnificent stream
and there rivers IN the East !" Ut eo",pi.
with II Bot the Eastern rivers might wan something
though, this was not the proper t'is wi -, .. no.
moi saw that thy would. Lake Champiiih, loo' was
an important sheet of water touched on Canada we
had many important posts on II, ana sfea' pa,i "4
fouo hi there during the last war bu' al is au nv
thing 10 do with the question, ana ne "ouiu nv. ~
dsc<s The subject of wha, should be appropriated io'
Il Bu, he would ask, did the gentleman IRON INDIANA
moan that, because Mississippi was more important
than Champaign nothing should be done Tor the ia'ef
nor for Lake Ontario, Lake Erie, &c There coui1
no M reas IN for III and the President, he believed, dd
nal MEND to select out one or objects and recon-
mend them TO the of Congress as the only ones
ON which the power Of the Government should be e3-
ercsed . .
| NJ. BELSER said this subject had consumed
great deal of time and great deal mad oeeh sau "uou
IN. Hudson and the Mississippi, but he want'd 10
know where the money is TO come from to carry out
this ma rnfcent scheme II was to creale the htces
s,v for additional taxation He said they came here
to limit taxation, not to enlarge; ana he warheo gen
tl-m.n of the consequences involved
Mr.
ton before the House
The CHAIR decided the amendment of the gentle
man from Kentucky.
Nessrs. DOUGLASS and McCLERNAND here
rose and made the snme inquiry to winch the oha'
that he had previously decided that The amend
ment of Mr. Thomasson of Ky. was in order.
Trey Welded 10 the decision OF the Chair.
Mr.. HARDIN of Ill. rose and moved to amend by
Offering a substitute, which was not accepted
Mr. HARDIN spoke al length IN support OF ms pro-
ooc,tion ord in IA the interests oil the west
Mr. BOWI.lN of Missouri SAID, as representative
from the great West-ior she was truly great-le
in the name of the West, thanked gentlemen Tor 'he
kind feelings they have eyinced IN lis favor lie gave
glowing description of the rapid growth OF tie city oil
ST Louis He SAID, hat he objected to the geograph-
cal selection of the Committee Of Commerce-ihe
West had nothing TO expect from that COMMITTEE. lie
said he agreed with the explanation oil The gentleman
from Virginia. but his object was to bury That system 10
the tomb Of the "Capulets.
Mr. WISE eyplained the reasons by which he was
governed. and pointed out beautifully the various
phases which the different subjects assumed ny lie
different political parties in referring these various
subjects their favore committees to accomplish 'hcr
purposes
MIR BOWLlN continued eoquently in vnd'cation
of the rights Of the West and in the oil his re-
marks recap tulaed the complexion OF that committee
Mr. HOLMES explained.
Mr. WISE here rose and modified his motion so as
10 embrace the Mississippi river and ali other rivers
not received
Mr. BOWLlN said that would no, meet his objsc-
tons 1t the organization of the committee TO
which he objected, whose personal interests were OPP
posed the West and he hoped the proposition oil MI.
Hardin would be adopted
Mr. THOMASSON sad The gentleman from Viz
gnio, (Nlr Wise,) was willing TO modify his motion so
as to refer that branch of the resolution TO select
committee.
Mr. BRlNKERHOFF said at first blush he was ds-
C,,1 Of 4 hp NIL
Kentucky mir Thomasson,) because he thongft It
prevented invdous distinctions; but upon reflector, ne
was in favor of the modified motion of referring The
subjects there embraced to n 'seect committee lie
said the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Bels'r) had
said this was reform Congress and not ONE OF IN
creased expenditure. What was to be done with the
money of the nation if it not to be app'ed! tie
said that the gentleman from New York by contracting
his views had brough, on this fight.
Mr.. BARNARD said the gentleman misunderstood
him.
Mr.. BRINKEROFF said he was glat that his view
OF the genllemans remarks incorrect and, in con-
cluson, he offered the following as an mendment:
Resotred, That much of the Presidents Message az
relates to The improvement Of the Western rivers and
harbors upon the Lakes be referred 20 select committee
Of nine members.
Mr.. WINTHROP said the importance as to what
Committee this subject be REFEREED OF small mat
ter the subjects embraced therein were acted upon;
and he preferred the whole matter should GO 10 some
other committee than the one to which he belonged
because they were overwhelmed with business already
such lighthouses, NC. He paid handsome COM
plment to the honorable gentleman from South Caroll-
ma and he called 10 his mnd the sentiment he uttered,
calling upon the West 10 wake up against its mother
He SAID the West had received more support from the
North than the South and he appealed TO the yeas and
nays 10 support h'm in his declaration tie warned Inc
Yves, against the Tariff the Tariff! the Tariff which
was the incubus that had borne down the South and
the West He said he had no local prejudices-the
he
aud he hoped his friend from South Carolina would re-
call to his mind the sent ment which he had uttered
,t the child must rise up against its mother In what
part of history does he find parallel with TINS sent
menl' He would vote for select committee, but he
preferred the motion of his friend Mr. Hardin, of Illinois
Mr. DOUGLASS was pleased that this debate had
produced one good eecl-tha of showing that if there
had been doubts existing Of the feeling of the North
towards the interests of the West, those doubts could
now no longer remain When he heard his friend, from
Indiana call upon the Western valley, ~ masse, 10 ar.
ray itself against other portions Of this Union, IN solid
phalanx he confessed that he heard il with regret
He denied that the Western interests were aniagonis-
tic TO the interests of other States the interests of oil
were identified, and any gentleman there, was promo
ting the interest of ALL when he was improving those
great internal means Of communication.
He favored the proposition for Select Committee Of
nine, not because he had any objection TO the Commit
tee on Commerce, or 10 any other Standing Commit
tee but because the interests involved, were very i'm
and that those interests might fairly and fully
before the House, he deemed right and proper, that
they should be referred TO Committee that had some
knowledge Of details and local information, in refer
ence TO those interests.
He would have committee consisting of men whose
very local interests should prompt them to be dill gent
in searching out for information, collecting facts and
bringing them before the House. For these reasons
ne wished select committee; and he wished 1t 10 con
sist Of men whose business avocations were such as
would insure full report. When he got that report
he would be then willing to submit the question 10 The
| House to determine on its merits. All that he now
wanted was have committee 10 present facts; and
these being collected and received, all gentlemen would
be ready to advocate such system of improvement fol
the West might seem to them TO be most desirable
Mr.. WISE observed that when this proposition fol
a select committee was first presented, he had no OBJ
lection TO il cot the remarks Of the gentleman from
Massachusetts, mir. Winthrop had forced him 10 take
up the issue they presented He stood on sectiona
grounds than that gentleman; but ne stood on
constitutional grounds; and he hoped there were friends
TO strict construction Of the Constitution we'll in
the Noith in the South. He had reply to make