Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1843-12-07


question being taken resulted in, yeas 10, nays W as
follows: =,
Blackwell Bossiar, Jacob Brinkerhoif, Bfodhead, "A
ron v Brown, NJ lion Brown, w II am Brown, Jere-
miah Brown, Burlington, Caldwell, jeremiah f Cary,
Carroll Augustus A Chapman, Chiffon, CT ngman,
Coles, ColImpr Crans.on, Gross, Cullnn Dana, Gar.
ret, Davis Dell t. Dickey, Ellis, Faree Fish, Florence,
Order. HARRISON Hardin Harfer, Hays, Holmes, Hop
kins, Hubbeli Washington Hunt, James b. Hunt 10
seph R. ugcrsoli Irwin, jerks, Cave Johnson, Perey
B. Johnson, Preston King, Daniel p. King, Labfanche,
Leonard, Mcllvaine Marsh, Edward J Morris, Mes,
Newton Patterson, Peyton, PhGnix Pratt, Ramsey,
Rayner Charl.s M. Read, Robinson, Rodney, Rogers,
Russell Sample, Schenck, Senior David l.. Seymour,
Smons, 81 dell, Albert Smith, Stet'on Thomasson,
Thompson. Tld,n, Tyler Vance, Vanneter, V,n'on,
Weller, Wheaton. Whit, Wilkins, Winthrop, Wood
ward, w liam Wright, Joseph A. Wright, and Yost-
90.
Nays-Messrs Adams, Anderson, Arlington, Al
kinson, Barna,d BeardsIey, Beser, Benton, James A.
Black Bower Bowln, Boyd, Burke, Campbell, Catlin,
Chappell, Clinton, Cobb, Richard D. Davis, John w.
Davis, Dean, Deberry, Dillingham;, Douglass, Drom-
gooe, Duncan, Dunlap, Elmer, FIckln, Foster,
French Hale, Haml,n, Henley, Herr.ck, Hoge, HUI
bard, Hudson, Hughes, Hungerord, C. j. ingersoii'
Jameson. Andrew Johnson Geo. w Jones, Kennedy,
Kirkpatrick, Lewis, Lncas, McCauslen, Miclay, Nc
CIean, McClernand, Mcdonnell, Mcdowell Mckay,
Mathews, Moore, Joseph Morris, Moseley Murphy,
Norris, Owen, Parmener, Payne. Petn Elisha H. rot
~.
David S. Reid Reding, Relfe Rhet Ritter, st John,
Saunders. Thomas H. Seymour, Simpson, John T.
Smith, Thomas Smith, Robert Smith, Seenrod, John
Stewart Stone Strong, Sykes Taylor Tibbats, Went
worth, w lIiams, and Wise-92
81 the amendment was adopted
| Mr. WISE offered further to amend the amendment,
by striking out latter clause OF the l3lst ruls IN
the following words:
"And also of providing for the discharge the COM
mtee from the consideration OF any bill referred 10 IT.
after acting without debate on all amendments pending,
and that may be offered.
| M W. after observations in opposition 10
this and other restrictions the freedom OF debate
expressed the hope that his colleague Mr. Dromgoolel
wouId accent this amendment modification OF his
motion.
Mr. DROMGOOLE declined accepting it, and sug-
gest ID that would be better to adopt the rules o! pro-
ceedngs OF the last House, as to proceed with bust
ness Such a!erat ons and notifications, then, as ex-
pe.ence suggested, could be made, al the pleasure o.
the majority.
The SPEAKER stated that The amendment of the
gentleman from Massachusetts, had the precedence; and
Mr. ADAMS, after remarks, called for the yeas
and nays on his motion; which, having been ordered,
resulted in yeas 81 nays 93, asfollows:
Yeas -Messrs. Adams, Anderson, Barnard, Boards
lev, Benton, William J. Brown, Jeremiah Brown,
Bnineton jeremiah +. Cary, Carroll, Ca,lin, Cling
man, CLIFTON, Collamer, Crans.on, Dana, Richard d
Elmer, Fish, Florence, Foot, Ffick, Giddings, Grin
nell, Hale, Hamlin, Hardin, Harper. Henley Her
rick Hub5ell, Hudson, Hungerford, Wash Hunt J..
b Hunt, r. Ingerso Irwin, jerks p. d. John
son, Kennedy, Daniel F. King, K,rpa'fiek, Leonard
Edward J. Morris, Joseph Morris, Aloseey, Owen,
Parmen,er Patterson, Petit, Phoenix, Elisha r. Pot
ter, Emery D. Potter, Ramsey, Rathbun Charles M
Read, Robinson, Rodney, Rogers, Sample, Schenck,
Thomas II. Seymour, David l.. Seymour, Simons,
Albert Smith, John T. Smith, Thomas Smith. S'e
son, John Stewart, Sykes, Tden, Tyler, Vance,
Vanmeer, Vlnton, Wheaton, White, Williams, Win
thrcp, William Wright and Joseph A Wrght-9l
Nays-Messrs Arlington, Atkinson, Barringer, Bel
SER B!dlack Black of Pennsy lsana, Black of South
Carolina Black we'll, Bossier, Bower, Bowlin, Boyd
Jacob Brinkerhof, Brodhead, Aaron Brown, Milton
Brown, Burke Caldwell, Campbsll, Augustus A
Chapman, Chappf Chiffon, C'bb Coles, Cross,
Cullon,, Daniel, Garrett Davis John w. Davis, De-
berry, DELFT Douglass, Dromgoole Farlee, Fcklln,
French, G,mer, Willis Green, Grider, Harrison,
fiays, Hones, Hoge, Hopkins, Houston, HUBBARD,
Hughes Charles j. ngerso!i jameson, Cave Johnson,
Andrew Johnson, George w Jones. Preston King,
Labranche, Lewis, Lucas, Lumpkin, MsCausen, Nc
ton, Norris, Payne, Peyton, Pratt, Rayner, David 5
Reid, Reding Relic, Rheli, Ritter, RUSSELL ST. John,
Saunders, Senter, Simpson, Slide, Robert Smith,
Seenrod, Stiles, Stone, Strong. Taylor, Tbomasson,
Thompson, Tbbatis, Weller Wentworth, Wilkins,
Wlse Woodward, and Yos-93.
So thu amendment was rejected
| MIR. WISE then renewed his amendment; and
Mr.. ADAMS moved 10 amend il, by striking out also
the first part of the clause, which allowed majority OF
The House suspend the rules at any time, for the
purpose nf going into Committee OF the Whole.
Mr.. WISE having accepted the amendment of Mr.
Adams as a modification Of his amendment It was read
as follows:
Strike out from the 1871 rule the following clause
"Bul the House may at any time, by vote of a ma
iorty of the members present, suspend the rules and
orders for the purpose of going into Committee OF the
Whole the State ofhe Union; and aso Of providing
for the discharge of the committee from the consdera
AZ. &c aFfnra ntnn
bate, on all amendments pending, and that may be Of
fered'
Mr.. WISE said he would accept the modification
proposed by the gentleman from Massachusetts,; butt IN
asmuch as many gentlemen might desire that ma
iorty might have the privilege of going INTO Commit
tee Of the Whole the state of the Unon while they
might not desire that they should have the power oil
putting end 10 the debate he wonld ask for dIvi-
sion of the question.
Mr. HOPKINS said he had had some little expert
ence in matters OF this kind and he had the incon-
venlence resulting from requiring vote of two thirds
in order TO put end 10 debate, while mere majority
is held responsible to the country for any m'snPplica
ton Of time If majority be responsible Tor the pro-
per conduct Of the business of the House, majority
should also have the right to determine when to go
into committee and when to discharge committee
from The consideration OF subject Unless this were the
case it would be in the power of on"hrd of the House
TO keep any subject in Committee Of The Whole as long
as they pleased He though the rule good one; they
:
il wrrld be retained
Mr. CAVE JOHNSON said he had had some expe-
rence 10 the operation of this rule, and he vas
con vinced that much convenience resulted from IT.
They compelled, in Committee of the Whole, to
sit and listen long any member felt inclined to
continue the debate, in order to crafty bis des,re Tor
speaking. There could be reasonable objection
! agains, allowing majority to determine when to 90
into Committee of The Whole upon the state OF III"
Union but on the contrary, if every man were per
mi,ed TO speak long he chose upon every subject
there would be md 10 debate.
! Mr.. RHET'T Observed that the matter had turned
J out much Us he feared it would. majority having
power, would always be in favor Of using it. When
in the list Congress- The party opposed to US, having
power that House, thought proper 10 pass this rule
his opinion, the very worst act which they car
sd into effect, because it introducing into The Con
gress Of the United States the arbitrary principle OF al
lowing majority 10 domnnt,, without regarding Of
, al the rights oil the minority. II what was said in
. that House, simply concerned themse Ives, it would be
email matter. But it must be recollsctcd, that earl
member that floor stood there the representative
of the interests Of 10000 people. And it certainly