Vermont telegraph. [volume] (Brandon [Vt.]) 1828-1843, 1843-06-21

} fering as consequence of SHINING, woul'
: be to deny what is obvious to AL who have
sense. In another editorial in the same pa
per with the one noticed by the Waterman
the doctrine is at least fully implied. Anc
. if mr. memory be correct the subject was uI
Il feel very positive that it was-betweer
: friend Ballou and myself in personal con
versation which we had at his house il
Montpelier, last winter, when made full
expression of my views on the point, &c
which he assented entirely. Why then does
he now take up the matter before his readers
as if he were stranger to my views, or as
if there could be any difference between him
and me, or between us and any rational and
sensible beings, even among the orthodox
themselves, on this particular point7 In an
other editorial in the same paper, friend Bal
lou, in censuring an individual for misrep-
resentation Of a UniVersalist, says" Like
many other vagrant revivalists, Mr.. Hawk
ms told his story 10 meeting at Vergennes,
Tor the sake of producing an effect. He un-
doubleday supposed the reported conversation
of a Universalist would stagger the faith of
some. His object was 10 gain ProselD es."
Friend Ballou shall decide whether the
language he here applies to the conduct Of
another, is applicable to his own conduct in
the case now under consideration. Did he
wish to "produce an efect"! And did he
fear that if he allowed his readers 10 see my
arguments it "would stagger the faith of
some"2 insist that friend Ballou had not
the least occasion to place me before bis
readers in the light he did. As to the mo-
tives that governed him, that rs a matter yet
in his own breast my judgement in rela-
ton 10 them may be better made up hereaf-
ter than it can be at present. II: ....*:
Again. Why should he run of into
defuition of a word to be found in book
I made nothing 10 depend on that word,
as there used, one way or the other.
endeavored to set forth, with all possible
simplicity and plainness. principles which
| deemed to be true and important. Call
my work in the case, if you choose, an
attack upon the foundation of the great
church-and-state system that is striving
and struggling for the mastery of man
kind. Call it what you please. The
doctrine undertook to explode and to re-
move is chief corner stone at the foun-
dation Of this great Babel, that has SO long
a time and so widely spread not only con-
fusion, but corruption, wretchedness and
death. Ill. ~. ....". -
Universalists complain OF the orthodox,
and justly, for covering themselves and
their works in mysticism and darkness.
But if friend Ballou has not put darkness
for light in his whole article. my vision
is sadly defective. l have already spok-
en- of his suppressing my views from the
sight of his readers, and then going to
work TO do away something which he
has brought to their sight instead of my
views. But this is not all. He has un-
dertaken to Join to this another piece of
fabrication equally unworthy of good
cause. The entire fabric which he
would thus form can no more be made !
to cohere and stand, than the iron and
clay which formed the feet of Daniels
image. In making suffering to follow
SHINING, as effects are produced by causes,
| agree with him. And be might have
known it. if he did not This he may
call the iron of his fabric, if he please.
Call it what he will, it will stand alone,
by itself. if there be no attemp.to combine
it with something for which it has no af
finity. But when be eadeavors to unite
and identity with it the punishments of
human governments, and such punish
ments as have been attributed to God, he
does an unnatural work. His fabric is (
as sure TO fall as it is to be smitten with
the stone of truth. And It's but an idle
effort that he calls in Bishop Butler to aid
him. Tie Bishop only daubs with un-
tempered mortar. He says:
"An Author of Nature being supposed,
it is not SO much deduction of reason as
matter of experience, that we are thus
under his government: under his govern
ment in the same sense as we are under
the government Of civil magistrates. Be-
cause The annexing pleasure to some &C.
tions, and pain to others. in our power to
do or forbear, and giving notice of this
appointment beforehand to those whom it
concerns. is the proper formal notion of