Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1843-12-16


stated that b, implication, which in fact; the
"Housc not asked the protect rfired ia
the resolution, Lor Wa the Clerk ask,d put any question
thereon To to House" lie therefore rgan asked the
mc,crt To modify hts resolution.
M BARNARD made r,mOrk which was maud.
bic NJ the rtllttcr's d-sk
Mr.. WISE obtained the Withdrawal ct the motion for the
previous question, hot he might Nsn himself and he said
he could ASSURE hc gentleman from New York that he
de>tcod himself and he rndeptocd that gentleman too
The gentleman from New y ork had moved to amend the
Journal oi the proceedings ut the House Repre-
bN Inserting matter which he moved before there
lpuc There was thc peculiar tins whole subject
The 4, ntcman asked leave the House h, offered no
paper this House, bat. before the members where sworn
before they we've IA condition T. Judge of the clccton
mcmbers-icT they dared not Judge uuu they sworn
to support the Constitution Ut the United States members
OF that h"rso-ho Offered To an unc'aniIcd and
qucniy Unauthorized body resolution
Mr. BARNARD asked the gentleman from virginia In
allow him to read clause from the Constitution lie did
not wish now To the matter, but call the
OF tn gentleman TO the following passage:
The House Of Representative ssl choose their Speaker
Mr. WISE said the House "a House" soon rs il
sNora BODY.
Mr. BARNARD replied that the House WAS ne Yer D., ,,,
until it elected It's Speaker.
Nh WISE said the House existed Tor all the purposes
ct organizauon and appointments ct Speaker, but
other purpcsc and Vet would the gentleman from New
loh NT. Barnard contend that il was House % ud-e-of
the qualifications and at the OF members before
Was s~"in lie agreed with the gentleman from New
ON that the record VI this paper harmless Thing,
st Ss harmless incl, roby's y Qaugher but il was
no par, 81 the proceedings Of this House There were
srnuemeh from iour States who with certificates
'tcuon some ot those gentlemen came from New Hanp-
siire Gad when their called. tue gentleman
from South Carolina Mr.. Campbell srose and though lac
Mr. Wise differed iron that gentleman he would do him
the justice To that he took the proper step for nc en-
deaNorsd 10 ascertain the fact how the gentleman New
Hampshire Was elected.
Here message received from the Senate b. tie
hands OF Ashury Dckns ESQ., Its Secretary informing the
House OF Representatives HAT the Senate had conquered
with resolution for the appointment If Chapl in aud
ihat that BODY had appointed Chaplain IN pursuance icc
Also had ,hgF=
Joint COMMITTEE on the Library, and on Enrolled Bills
M WISE repeated that The gentleman from south Car
ohna inquired how the gentlemen from New Hampshire
were elected and the gentlemen from New Hampshire ve
properly sat still aud LETT the gentleman from South Csro.
ma TO had 1t out from the Clerk IL whom the Governor OF
New Hampshire had made a communication lie Mr..
Wc' held that communication his hand and he would
ask the gentleman from New York look at it, "bruad
seal" And what did cery' "T1 all 10 whom It may
concern be known John p Hale Esq has been duly e.
lcctsd representative o the State OF New Hampshire IN
the Congress Of the United States for the term OF Two wears
from the 4ih day o! March last In testimony whereof
have caused the seal Of said State 10 bc hcrruno
liked. Henry Hubbard, Governor OF the State Of New
Hampshire dated the 2)h day Of May Is43 and Of the In
dependence % the United States, the 9Th"
The certificate also couaIcrsraed by the Secretary
Of Sise OF New Hampshire. Iao doeumen, certified 10
him IhaI John F. Haze had been duly elected and What
more did he own certificate ceFtiy Inc broad sea!
OF New HAMPSHIRE then was rs much the cICdenua OF
John T. Hale as the broad seal Of Virginia a dem
al that he Nit Wisv had been daily elected and the gen
tcmen from y. Hampshire sp came here wh ch ccrtf
Gates were prG iacia much members OF tina, House
e was; and would remain until the contrary proved.
Ihc gentleman isom Sout Carolina, Telling 10 gel proCf
contadiciiug the broad seal 1T New Hampshire, took L-
scat aud waits Tor the proper momcnt Atler this, the
gentlemen from New Hampshire called and sworn.
uaccr the sanction of their certificates; they sworn be-
fore either he Mr. Wiscl or the ntomln from New Nok
wa sworn; and yet the genLtmtl Om New oIS asked
him Mr.. W allow mint protest sClns proceedings
which occurred before either ct them member iuraer
Than 10 elect Speaker and Clerk aud organize Nov
his answer vas Naitunu have ascertan,d how those
gentlemen have been elected; All unu compare the
law with the Constitution under which tey have been elect
ed The bTOsdsea OF New Hampshire admitted those q uc
pic TOO, Of the gentleman from New ORR, the New Jer
icy case would admit hys. gentlemen, without any pro.
ceedIng OF has MIR. ~iSesl part whatever The House
he'd never yet been called upon to say whether John r
Ia!e had been duly elected. Ii the Election Committee
had made their report, and the House ready
upon mat report tue proper time would have for Ia.
gentleman from New York nave presented Ms protest
and 90 ask 10 ha'" II entered upon ouna but it -
not the proper une, when the House in inita,rv
procst tng nor should the gentle from New oI then
ASK HIM. OF any other gentleman. to ueeide that question:
h, this pote, we've admissible protest might be ca.
tered against his colleague 'lr Gimer being allowed
take ms seat Tor that seat was contested. lie MIR. W
then again said that unu he mad Investigated tie matter
JIdcIoi.y-unul 70 before them from Committee
Of Eectons-hc should either question or decide II,
They did not give each other certificates ueecol; bet they
were received from the Governors tie several States
and they hcu decide whether there had been
any qualification not but, great tie disparity be-
tween hh ana tue gentleman from New \ ok, and
as lawyers ne there tcared eager enter the
lists ws that gen, show that there had been uo
nullhcauon either part OF the House OF the States
H. however that gentleman could satisfy him that Congress
had passed law inst operative law; that IL was
reflect user OF power h. Nj w, would admit 10 la
gentleman that It was permanent pow o lie would adm
u" congress nlgGt make aWs 10 alter the time and place
aud manner OF holding elections and II the gentleman
would show him THAI such had been done ssyog.d
amount 10 .lIicaou be pledged himself 70 ,yi The
gentleman from New York; but ne would d. it IN this
HatJ proceeding, for they had taken no proceeding and
moi even tue Ia" and the testimony were before them. lie
knew no difference between the broad seal OF New amp.
SHIRE and the broad seal Of New York. and he should
them as the same unit! such OF fact and Of law had
been reported to him, judge Of the qualifications sad
returns OF members, would call for another dccsoa
lie would, however Intimate that the gentlemen from New
orb had brought al this trouble p,u himself, possibly o.
prejudice the eass Why else had he thus proceeded until
the Committee OF Elections hsd reported, and this House
was shown that the members from New Hampshire were
elected contrary the -taute7 As yet the House had To-
Ken no step except To recognise the sacred pncpcono
which he knew would be held sacred heotat 81 the au.
hoIy Of the broad seal OF sovereign State OF this Union
lie Nh VI" was fully prepared 80 into the debate on
the questions which this involved but tins the
iiuE Time. But with respect the admission Of the pr.
test on the Journal he had Vi about The
r1e question: ne would state. which the Speaker
d o'eru.ed, but probably the gentleman from New York
de.ifed - make noise before the world and aFitatc
e for party purposes, and hence the 10 ournaso
hs protest. and II would be any qualification - him he
lhf W. WIS not hn2ou, 10 deprive him Of that gratica-
ton.
Mr. G. DAVIS said, 30 his Judgment the present que.
ton involved one Of the most important principles which
mad anscn IA the ot the whole discussion The gen
Lemon from New OH hst presented 90 the House
luton which he had -corporaed the protest which be-
came by that Incorporation, part OF the resolution ITSELF
much ~ rs the words which preceded the introduction
Of the protest The motion Of the gentleman from Maine.
them in effect cxpunge part Of the resolution offer
ed BY the gentleman from New York.
Mr.. THOMPSON sand he thought the gendcmsn was
somewhat mistaken. That question bad already been dis
po-Cd o.
NJ G. DAVIS said ;ha, did alter the case because
Tie record still Dc made up, presenting tho resolution
uf Ffg rflHF Mo- VOL .raH
30 must cm5idy tHs protest What the proposition OF
the gentleman from Noiucl IL exTunRc e protest.
wherever, I mshiOg up the Journal might be pre- scented.
TINS wac very important, fDg iu his opinion pro-.
p-rip the gent mike the protests part the rr..
luU1u l7 20 mike bio words par Of Wh8t would
be 'hl effect theui The effect would be place upon
J.nrna Che very paper which omb died in the rc1iu-
ron aud which gentleman seemed anxious get nd Of.
member bad right unque1uJu1bly, present g. ihe
House resolution DO shape he pleased and hf OF
hr nembrr4 ui ie House sustain the proposition 20 utt
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