Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1843-12-08

should think proper but prvss ut this time would be
premature and onirey irregular unless BY
by majority OF the Holse. So Ear from it, being
refuse that leave he would or he did
like O. use hard words any OccSson) that II
ageous 10 attempt 20 present paper like that now hut
would be wholly irregular, not prcposterous oinsist
such thing All gentlemen had the righto
read papers the gentleman from New OH had; and was
every be liberty read much and long
lac pleased while the House remained thus unorsanzcd =
1t would be not only outrageous but PESPosierous to pre-
tend
The gentleman need not be uneasy; the question would
not he lodged In the long tried experience and the honor
able character and Of the gentleman from South Ca
roina, Mr. Cnmpbcl the House had pledge that il would
be properly and cmPorSe discussed the proper time
WHY. thea: while the body present chr sails state
between and butterfly, attempt 10 force on it paper
OF the character the gentleman had his hand which Mr.
presumed be something in the nature OF n protcsl-
The gentleman 20 be sure did not call protest. he CALI
edH"ap1per IL mai,crcd e how twas called; the gen
tensn had right read but by consent Ii would in
nllkelihood cad disturbance and all
iregulary At the outset and such the long
established character and parliamentary knowledge Of the
gentleman from New York. Mr.. BSrnnrd ought prevent
nm iron insisung on Tie submitted II 10 the ccntcmans
own Judgment and candor say whether the proceeding
was not wholly Irregular To insist in this stagc OF
the proceedings utterly irrcgusr and prcposterous.
! Mr. BARNARD said, At allowed proceed, he had
intention OF masking by any long speech had
inst been uttered by the gentleman from Pennsyvanis Mr.
lugeclO But surely, the gentleman could be permit.
t.d TO make speech quarter Of an hours
length in this condition OF the House il might equally be
psrmiiiod 10 M b. TO read speech OF the Of
shorter length What rae permitted the one and prohibited
the oIherl There such rule. They met there
equals with equal rishu; and or men he'd right
10 invade Mr.. BIS freedom Of speech. Whit.
70 ths' that tho right Of opening his mouth floor
was 70 be held At the will o. nsioryi Several voices
"Ges"-"e,TtHiuly."' Mr. =. denied IT, The House could
regulate the nigh, speeSh, true bat they could
deny IL IL nigh; Inherent here in him, and in
every man who csno there duy authorized IS Rspresen
tive OF the People. lie hopSd gsnttmsn would attempt
10 deny A. lie trusted thst propety feeling OF
ordinary courtesy; would for prevail prevent gentle
from nteTurtng the reading OF paper such that
ne was cesrous OF reading in his place lie proposed 10
create disturbance They about proceeding TO
hghiy important choose Speaker Of thai House
the Clerk had asked tlvm-he had asked Mr. B.-wheher
ne ready prcct cd tire act o. choosing Speaktr
Mr. b. resdy until after he should have read thst
per- He responded ire call OF the Clerk and in reply
had Proposed simply present and paper obecing
mode in winch The House proceeding. He hop
ed tor coursesys sake noiEom regard - right and jus
lice, that no gentleman would interrupt him.
Mt b. here commenced . read from manuscript in his
hand
When Mr. CAVE JOHNSON rose 10 address th7 Clerk.
Mr.. BARNARD said he really hoped TIE gent eman
from Tennessee would attempt iuterPose objection
MrJoHNSON said he must object - the gentleman pro
eeeding without the previous lgSyc OF the House.
Mr.. BARNARD hoped there would be silent aequi-
osencc
Mr.. JOHNSON said there would not DC 4 silent &C.
Mr. WINTHROP called for tho reading OF the paper for
information, to ascertain whether lie word vote for leave for
MI BARNARD here stated that he understood that the
gentleman from Pennsylvania Mr.. c. J. ingersol
now ready 70 Withdraw hIs objection to the reading.
Mr.. e }. INGERSOLL sold, ihst 30 long the gentle.
put IL The claim OF nsat ho object but it he
asked OF persona. courtesy, another al
and that ground did not know hat ne should
make any farther objection: 1t him veTs much
ter OF indifference The gentleman from New York himself
hadalways been very Ia bis parliamentary
Mr.. DUNCAN must ot.sctto the reading. Hcdesgsd 10
know from the gentleman from New York Mr.. BARNARD
what his object Oong tits paper; what proposition
itwns hs purpose % make' aud whether such
could receive the acton CT the Housed Also, the
Clerk could pat question upon II when u Tead-
Ii the gentleman would make sach disclosures these
possibly the House might WIKI him. Unless the Clerk
D Inc HrgEa
gard any proposition, the offering Of o. nugaory
Mr.. BAKNAk0's r-p,y did r4ea iae Rep ear
The CLERK stated hst, IT objections made the .
reading 81 Tue paper he should CONSIDER u hs Gu 10 pui
question the House leave, il did become him.
in HI. humble capacity TO decide whetheE the pspsr might
might rot he read.
Mr.. KENNEDY. object,
Mr.. WINTHROP said that before the question OF leave
should be put he wished 70 have the paper read for ofona
Tion unless ne knew continued how could he act
officially either in ADMITTING refusing PRESERVATION p?
Let hFs he read unoeaiy. informally and for niorna
Mr.. HOLMES rose to address the House bu, he com.
meuced IN so low tone, and turned himself entirely
from Reporters that them, The first halt ms
speech was lost When heard he demonstrating sg1ins
any thing that should interrupt the harmony taef pro
cSedings He Protested, he could but protest aEans,
the doctrine nov advanced by some 81 his Old rnGs
proposition could be received read present
things without leave fret asked und oJtineG Look
the objection adyuuced rapel must not be read be-
the Clerk could put question tie House
Why, MT. II. could IN moment make motion Inch
the Clerk would be compelled 70 put the question and OBJ
suppose
in the election OF Speaker members by baoi--wouI
The Clerk be compelled put that question 70 the
House Assuredy. Why thea say he could put no 9ues.
ton IN reference 10 that paper i the paper when read,
should be found 10 be improper disEespccIiu the
House, down But, because they had i giants
strength let them 1t with giants oppression.
MIR. J. r. lNGERSOiL NOV ed that the gentlemen from
New York Nj Barnsr have leave read the paper he
held in his hand He thought that ordinary courtesy,
such permission due the highly hunasdb,. charac
ter and bearing OF that gentleman. when formed pledge
sufficient induce that House 10 believe that he would OF
nothing mere Incompatible With the order injurious the
dignity Of tie House. The Only objection MIR. !. could i'm.
aEc 10 lie laI d'cuos Of ilc paper that might be
considered iOcs'aing oi very important questions
which up hereafter: but IT courtey be
hoped that leave would be granted, ana bee made tie
accordingly.
The CLERK said he lad alead stated ths he let him.
sell TO put any question buteyae express leave
The Cer; hersupon put the question. Shall the gentle
man from New York have leave read the psporhs has
Mr. WISE said ta' before te question was pr5poundd
ne would lake leave inquire oie Clerk whether this "a.
per- received would BE- entered the uua;ory Jouns
Of the proeeedncsthe preliminary minute q tao dJng5
Of the BODY previous - it. organizaicB7
The CLERK replied that il would
Mr.. WISE sad, that the case bis objection 70 hay.
ing Ills Paper upon the journal would oyerbalance his
Opposition to uge the Psneman ON fscnzs o
courtesy lie we willing 900 sisn 30 any thing gent
man from New ork Mr. BARSAEJ, might have sdsancs
but he o.; prepared to make the opinions any ndye
ua member psu Of tie Journal OF taat House.
The CLERK having put the question on grlniing the
leave, the sioJd Ayes ~ ia 50 leave re-
fused.
MreARNARD desired TO say that he should have /
asked the leave hm'e because he csmsd sui-y bis
right . present and read 'hl papeT u his places brl ho
should make no iutther attempt . dosy. H. desired DO
however q be understood that paper c01aHcd a. -a
Ian1n Of more inan hy Cent ein'n U hat Huusc
Ing the uncOnsutDuay and ute. guay Of the house
being organized with 'le old Of from New
Hampshire, Georgs, N.ss-ifp, ard Missouri, who had
not been elected o. s menb,r- H conformity with law
The Js!io6ins - c0Py Of me PSofssfs
The roll Of Representatives elected aea h,yizv
been called The crs according quorum Of
meu-sa wbo4 right o. plucplp tbs act o. Organizing ne
Hous Of Representative uud -l having appeared s1d
s"sf'i DO thtf bry proceed nigh duty
Of er7 slta-sfto OH Oh o-t which point o. dgu and
Foucai consequence .liy md The Consul
tuition s' tlat of PTesdont United before ilat
high duty hai be- entered upon ne znsd feeling