Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1843-01-21

,o;,h, ssns,ors fmost of whom were present on the
occ.son he was the first himself TO proclaim the req
| line He not only could them, contrary 10 the
words he had quoted but he did not, as they assert
leave il 10 o,Apr eyes" 10 be applied TO the map 10 dis
cover them He proclaimed them alond from his seat
This was the issue othe fact And on he appeared 70
the Senators around him for their recollections.
Al, SMITH of Connecticut observed that, according
% h;s recollection when the Senator from Missouri
heard OF Sparkss mup he raised the map IN ms own
hands and exclaimed here are the bloody red lines
The words were so remarkable, that they made strong
| impression on his mind
| Mr. BENTON asked if he had any recollection OF
allusion being made to the g secret:'
Mr. SMITH replied that his recollection was rather
nd,stinc about that but still his impression was that
il must have been to show there was no secret about H.
/ MIR ALLEN observed that this Ito say the least
of it) a very Troublesome dispute, growing ont OF
deeply exciting discussion which had taken place win
closed DOORS ard consequence of the additional CIR
cumslance that the matter had moi been noticed oil te
time by any reporter His impression was, that there
was no real difference between the Senator from fir'
pnia and the Senator from Missouri The difference
was barely as 10 the form Of the question now made
the one adhering the object for which the map was
introduced and The other to the fact of The announce
ment of the broad red line which visible to every
one Believing, then, that there was nothing subs,an-
tial involved in the controversy, he must be permitted
ii
sufficiently important TO occupy the attention OF the
Senate.
He had hitherto remained quiet, and volunteered no
opinion nor expression of his Impressions upon the sub
ject but, being now particularly called uPon' he couio
State very readily what those impressions were ana ne
did SO with perfect conviction that The statement
could not reflect in the least degree on any member OF
that body in one way or the other. His attention was
attracted TO the fact Of The introduction OF the map by
the Senator from Virginia. by the soemnty with which
il was introduced the Senator evidently regarding It
matter Of peculiar Importance and calling ihe at
tention of the Senate very pontedy to the map.
While this part of the discussion was going on, the
Senator from Missouri according 10 his recollection OF
the CASEY obtained an old atlas, and spreading open
map exclaimed "here s the red line AS TO the motive
with which the Senator from Missouri introduced the
atlas his recollection not very DISTINCT but the CIR
cumstance of the red line having been pointed out ny
him he (Mr. AZ particularly remembered, in conse.
quence Of the manner in which The Senator had called
attention it, being devoid ofthat Difference or courtesy
which he (blr. AZ conceived due to The gentleman
who had possession of the floor AS to the iact OF the
of the red line, he recollec.ed distinctly
that the Senator from Missouri made use oil the word
"bloody" lie might not perhaps have recoected The
circumstance but for the phrase made use OF by the Sc
major, which, of ITSELF was calculated 10 make an I'm.
preston upon the memory lie repeated, that he did
not conceive that this statement could affect either Sc.
M tor one ay the other for he did not CONCEIVE
that there was any essential difference between The
Senators-he contcnding to the object for which
the map was produced, aud the failure of that object
and the other as TO the OF the broad red
| line
Mr.. RIVES begged leave to say, that he did not
think il at all necessary 10 enter into the discussion OF
| the matter with any spirit OF controversy, but
The CHAIR here interrupted the Senator from Viz
ginia with a request that he ght be permitted 10 ex-
plain the preceding remarks he had made The Char
then stated that his recollection was refreshed by the
remarks which had fallen from the Senator from Ohio,
! (Mr. Allen) They reminded him that he had held a
conversation with him, and in which conversation That
Senator accorded with his recollection, that there was
no substantial difference between the two Senator's
The Chair superadded The remark that if il was the
Of the Senate he would add that no issue was
made up the fact Of The Senator from Missouri (Mr
Benton,) having announced The red lines. That, on
previous occasion, the Senator from Virginia, (Alr.
Rves) had remarked that he could not have fallen init
| the ubsurdity oil impung the design to the Senator
from Missouri, Of an intended suppression OF the red
lne with the view to impose upon the Senate or the
country. That the recollection of The Chair was that
the red line announced-but the ground OF his
supposliion, that there substantial difference
between the Senator'S was, that the remarks oil the Sc
nato from Virginia. complained Of were not literal and
exact, but only iguratve. They had been regarded
by the Chair. And If the Chair might use the expires
sion, he had understood the expression of the Senator
from Virginia TO mean that the mind eye OF the Sena
tor from Missouri was engrossed with the microscopic
dotted line, that he gave none, scarcely any, con
10 tue UT He-dHu HE
opinion this point much fortified by the state
menl made by the Senator from Virginia previous
occasion that he could not, did not, design the alb
surdy Of attempting TO produce The impression, either
upon the Senate the public mind that the Senator
from Missouri attempted 10 exhibit the dotted line, and
at the time, to suppress conceal the existence
OF The red line, which was bold and strongly marked
on the map.
Mr.. RlVES said he desired to say word two for
the purpose of placing the matter it's true attitude
hot The tbouuh lie rot her hp
lie disposed to take any interest in the matter
ALL He concnrred entirely in the very candid and
sober view OF the matter which had been presented by
the Chair, and by the Senator from Ohio, with regard
to the red line and the dotted line. The whole differ
ence between llle Senator from Missouri and himself
reduced itselfto matter of opinion, had been
very justly remarked. He would state, most distinctly
that his own impression in regard 10 the expressions
used by the Senator from Missouri was, that the Sena
tor had not referred to the red lines oil though il
possible that the words might have been spoken, with
out having reached his ears there was some confu
sion at the time, and as he (hlr. Rives) was then
speaking. AT all event, the circumstance, if 1t sc
q occurred, had made impression upon his mind and
he had consequently recollection OF il. What ne
desired TO say (wha had been happily expressed
by the Chuir) thai it was the minds eye by which the
red line disregarded the red line might have been
seen, but if seen, not recognised as the true boundary
but the microscopic dotted line insisted by the
Il Senator as being the true boundary. And he
of the Senator from Missouri; in which he insisted in
three distinct places, upon the dotted line being the
true boundary; and according 10 the recollection Of the
Senator from South Carolina, the Senator from Mis-
souri, rsade the remark that any little school m ss NIGH
have drawn the red line.
The Senator from Missouri seemed disposed TO leave
entirely in the dark the object for which he had intro
duced the map, and confined himself TO the expression
(Which, undoubtedly was intended to be understood ut
iguratve expresson that the broad red line coulc
not be until other eyes applied TO it lie hat
intended TO deny that The Senator announced the
red line but what he asserted was, that the Senator
had insisted upon the microscopic dotted line as being
the true boundary The whole question: then, was, il
TRUTH difference Of impression recollection as tc
the object for which the map had been introduced He
(Alr. r. had honestly stated his impression tc
what that object was, and that he considered the Sena
tor having failed to accomplish that object; and il
, that opinion lie believed he sustained by very
large majority of the Senate With regard 10 the othe
point, it matter Of form merely.
MIR. BENTON said he entirely satisfied with The
explanation of the Senator from Virginia. He woulc
now drop everything that had passed, and would mere