The daily Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1841-1845, 1843-12-06
&Mfntg= Eighth Congress.
FIRST SESSION.


After Il Message read
! Mr.. WISE moved the printing of the usual number
Of copies Of the Message for the Of the House. and
ten thousand extra copies, with the accompanying
documents
! Mr.. BARNARD said he had no objection to the
question beng taken the motion print; but If it
likely TO lead to debate he must Insist on the
order Of business which occupied the attention Of the
! House when the Message was brought in.
MIR. STRONG inquired how many the usual num-
! Der
Mr.. WISE replied that it was for each mem
| Der.
Mr.. STRONG said he would not object to such a
number would be strictly required for the use of
the House, but TO any useless expense he could
agree and to print great numbers Of this Message,
when it was well known 1t would appear in all the
| newspapers, (Which were the ordinary channels of
| communicating information TO the peopIe) was GER.
| tainy useless expenditure. He had intended to
move that no additional numbers be printed with the
documents; but on conversng with the members
around him he found It was the usual practice and
he wished TO stale that it in conformity with the
wishes and opinions expressed by Others that be re.
Trained from making his motion. He therefore Sc
conded the motion Of the gentleman from Virginia,
! (Mr Wise
Mr.. PAYNE said, so far as his feelings were con
cerDed he should prefer larger rather than smaller
number and yet he hoped II would not be supposed
that he should favor any useless expenditures He
would state, by way Of justification that he looked
upon tins message one Of the most important that
was ever sent 10 an American Congress. II touches
on matters Of vital importance and the people should
see what the Executive thinks on those question:
lie Of opinion that the expense Of printing extra
copies OF this document could not be better ncurred
1t Vas expense which ought to be incurred and #
he were to crafty his own feelings he should vote
for 20 900.
MIR WISE observed that, as there were a great
many new members, they were not, perhaps, aware
Of the great importance Of the documents. The
message, without the documents, not so mpor.
ant aud the printing Of large number Of messages
alone, would, perhaps be a somewhat useless expen
dllure but when they had supplied the officers of
the army aud navy and the heads OF the civil depart
mens, who all interested in the subjects therein
contained, the House would discover that 10000
copies would be found scarcely adequate to supply
these and the wants OF their constituents. An old
custom had been print Is 900 with tie documents
and 900 without Another had been 10 print all
y ilh the documents, and none without: he was now
requested 10 increase the number, and he would take
the maximum number-l5 U00 and omit the print
ing Of any without the documents remarking that
If 10 900 was not too many in times past, IS 900
would not be too NAM now.
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON moved TO amend the mo-
ton by the addition of clause, TO the effect that the
wo be executed by the printer to the House, here
after be elected.
Mr. BELsER was in favor of the proposition Of
the gentleman from Virginia Mr. Wise lie had
listened TO the reading OF that message with delight
lie would not now say that he agreed with il in all
the doctrines there advanced but this question Of
Texas and Mexico, he glad TO that the Exc
cutiv, exhibited proper spirit IL was by far the
most important Message that for the last 20 years.
had been submitted To the Congress OF the IT, States
and he wished The largest number TO be printed, that
II might go 10 every part Of the country. Disguise as
they might the question there involved was TO be met
and its discussion must come up before Congress
Mr. BARNARD rose to question Of order Ill
they were TO have a discussion on the merits Of the
message the motion to print, he must insist on the
proper order Of business, and return TO the sub
ject which had been already partially discussed
lie alluded to his motion for the correction Of the
journal
MIR. CAMPBELL reminded the House that some
times delay had occurred in the appointment Of prin
ter aud he thought IL was Of little consequence to
the country whether or printed these documents.
fCnes Of Question" "question.rl
The SPEAKER then put. the question on Mr..
CAVE Joussos's amendment, and IL was carried
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON then proposed further 10
amend the resolution, by striking out Is 900, and in
serng 10000.
Mr.. BELSER said he was opposed, as he had be-
fore stated, TO the proposition of the gentleman from
Tennessee ur. Johnson lie was in favor OF a
greater number and he should therefore, support the
Of the honorable gentleman from Vr-
ginia, Mr.. Wise.l lie would here take occasion TO
repeat, that he admired the spirit Of the Message,
more particularly that part which related to in
tercoursc with Mexico for, as he had before init
mated to the House, II was question IN which his
constituents fell deep and an abiding interest