The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-02-09
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Mr. HOLMES sad--This is truly the most fragmen-
| tai Congress have ever known. Laughter) DO
| the people believe that this government can get
along with such Congress? We have been here
two months, and not taken up single Dill Tor Iegu-
| lar discussion True, JacksOn's fine has been
stuck up like popinay, to be shot at by all parties
And now that we are about to have debate on the
navy bill, comes this motion to cut down Truly,
| is gentlemen do nothing else, they know how
| to destroy ".
| Mr. CAVE JOHNSON was glad to see this attempt to
Ietrench He would support 1t, and he thought the
| army and navy might botn be reduced considerable
VoICE-Abost em both Uaughter)
| Mr. FEssENDEN said that the pay was not too much
| to enable the officers to support themselves with
proper dignity abroad, and their families in comfort
| at home. They had to devote their whole lives 10
the service. Ii the conduct OF the President in
altering the sentences OF such persons Captain
| Levy and others, when properly punished by court
| martial, that brought disgrace on the navy
| Mr.. GORDON was for cutting down their salaries
Provisions were much cheaper now than in 1885. -
| The eagles would always gather where there was
great dead carcase: Uaughter) Some went tor
| glory-some for plumber Some drew more than
they Ought-One account said the medicines were
| stolen
Here WISE and KING and others rose, amid much
confusion
WIsE-Its utterly impossible to draw for what
they are not entitled to
KNG--The letter from the Medical Bureau has
been denied by Com. Blddle
| GoRDoN-Wel, object TO our officers having
great salaries to give great entertainments to great
foreign princes in great foreign ports To catch The
| manners living as they rise, Qaughter) and bring
them to this country, to corrupt US simple repuoll-
cans. Ihae the tyranny and the insolence that is
| practsed in the navy. Who can be proud OF the
recent transactions of the navy on the Atlantic or
the Pacific? And unless these things are renledled,
90 tor seeing The navy abolished.
| Mr.. lILLINGHAsT SAID that the horizontal mode
| of reducing the salaries was all wrong.
Mr.. COOPER OF GA said, he did not know what
| we were coming to- We were argey LII debt-a
revenue falling olive must reduce mewhere.-
The government ought to be carried on tor $4,000,
600, instead # $26,OOO,O0O. II nothing else could
be done, abolish the army and navy lie was op-
| posed TO the tarltf-to the EXchequer and to Cost
| Johnson's scheme. He thought we must come TO
direct taxes, but he did not like It,.
MIR. ARNOLD rose and said rejoice, MIR. Speak
er, that Pve found somebody al last to advocate
| nomy and retrenchment. But the gentleman does
not begin at the right end. He's tor cutting down
the pay Of the poor lutte middies, they did the
poor little pages, sir In this House, sir. But, sir
the gentleman says nothing about cutting down his
own salary. (Laugiter) he was driving about so
aore the wind, that couldn't tell where ned land.
He was like the bees IN the country, as we say; he
had swarlned, but you couldn'tell where he set
tie (Great aughter.) He says he's tor refrench-
ment, sir but then he'll abolish the army and navy
before he'll touch dollar OF his own salary =
Laughter) Why not abolish this House, slr!-
(Roars of laughter.) Ii wouldn't be much loss, sir
Increased ausher) Abolish everything, sir and
let us have CHEAP government We may
as well do that as abolish the army and navy
Pm sorry can't understand the gentleman from
Georgia. He's against the tariti-aganst direct tax
es, and against reducing the pay OF the members,
sir. This Is most extraordinary specimen OF eco
nomy, Sir He's for liberal pay, sir, and no taxes.
| (Great laughter.) Liberal pay, sir, and no taxes
| that's hl- doctrine. Increased laughter) Abolish
the army and navy, and then the people VIII say
Nov you can go on, and abolish yourselves. -
| (ROars of laughter) l saw the awful state OF this
country, sir, present and prospective sir, long ago,
sr-long ago, sir. But the wing party, Sir the
wing party, sir, have failed most grlevously-
most grlevously lnpreventlng this state by lntrodu-
eng wholesome system OF economy and retrench-
| ment.
bl'KEoN-The democrats III stick by you.
ARNoLD-The gentleman says the democrats viii
stick by me- hope they Will some OF 'en have
already Now, sir, what is the state OF me country
Your revenue will not be over $l2 ,UOO TINS year;
the most sanguine don't make 1t over $l5,0OO,OOO
While your expenses will be double that amount
| And yet gentlemen taking up a solitary case OF
one public officer, and making reduction OF $500
But they will Rot put their hands INTO their own
pockets and take out So a day. They'll cut dowA
every body ese's salary but their own Inns Aihu
of legislation is, was going TO says but suppose
would be out OF order
SEVERAL MEMBERSHIP on, Arnold say it,
ARNoIp-Wel it's disgrace to this House, and
the country Here, I've had bill ready all last
session and this, which would save S40OO,OOO a
year to the country, (Blll 5iS) and you won't touch
il, because il touches the pay for ourselves And
do you think the country will submit to this
Why they'll treat you with and contempt
Now my friend and colleague, (Cave Johnson) he's
great retrencher, sir. very great retrencher-till
it comes to his own case, sir. (Great laughter
| When the retrenchment touches his own pocket, he
flies all of into sp!ners. When it comes to his
| own case, sir, he IN. (Roars of aughter)
Aud the gentleman from New York, and all, harped
| on one string, retreDchment but they won't take
So day off their own pay. Now, I'm willing to
take general sweep-not partial one; cut down
all the salaries of government officers, members of
Congress, &c rs per cent. This vii save 81, COO 900
year. | can buy as much provision now for So,
as could in 1886 for So. If IS was enough then,
| Mr.. CooPER-Why not make il SO!
hRNoIpmihe gentleman, sir, says reduce tito SO,
sir Sir So Day a y. wpnld be pretty high pay for
could get many better men. sir, at half the price.
| MEMBER-If some of 'em paid the time
they're here, they'd get devilIsh little.
ARNoLD-Some members say this is too late-t
| looks bad to be reducing the pay of the members
who are coming after us. Well; letus pass it now
to-day and let it take effect from the time it passes
Some threaten that they'll make the bill prospective
and make the members disgcrge all back through
the session il press 1t. No fear of their doing that
sir. Uaughter) That's too shallow device to
deceive the country with, sr We shall show our
sincerity by making il take effect from its passage
! Let us do it. The two ends of this Government
will never meet sir, unless this wholesome retrench-
| mentis adopted. am opposed to singing out one
| or two poor men. Let US go the whole hog, sir
House Bill, No. 54S, does not propose to touch any
salaries under $1,000, and takes off 20 per cent It
has been well considered again and again in COM
mlttee-it has long been before this House
| mean to stick TO this, sir; to keep this
| ball rolling The chairman OF the committee of
| Ways and Means, (Fillmore) is not a going to get
the floor every morning soon the journal is
| read, a1d drive the House into committee. He
seems to have most holy horror, sir of House Bill
| 54S-because it retrenches too much, sir
| CHARMAN-Order.
ARNoLD.-lt touches his own salary-his own
pocket, sir.
CHAIRMAN.-Order. The remarks are not in or
der
| Several MEMBERs.-Why not
| ARNoLD-Well, never mind, sir; Pm done with
| him. (ROaTs OF laughter | hope the House
cuse me; but you see was obliged to get this lit
/ fla CHI In hos he Iouse will llt