Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1843-12-09


A message was received from the Senate, by A.
Dckins, Esq Secretary, informing the House that the
Senate had concurred III resolution of Yesterday
providing for the appointment. of JOINT Committee TO
wat on The President of the u. and inform him that
quorum of the two Houses had assembled and that
Congress ready to receive any communication h.,
might be pleased 10 make
aIr. DROMGOOLE took the floor in brief reply TO
the remarks of Mr. Barnard
Mr.. ID SAID he had looked round him in expectation
That some member more experienced than himself
would rise and object to this most extraordinary pro
ceedng on the part OF the gentleman from New York
lie Nr. believed ii was known 10 all members that
the Journal vas made up in the usual way; that
Journal of the proceedings of the House and not OF
The abortve ettorts OF individual members interrupt
its organiza'ion
The gentleman had submitted proposition 10 amend
The Journal by inserting paper offered to the House.
but which the House had refused TO receive-had in
fnct refused the gentleman leave 10 submit The
House had never heard that paper read and although
there might be doubt Of IDENTITY yet there was
evidence Of the fact before them II such propo.
sl.lon TO be tolerated ard recorded as precedent
TO what confus on and rregnlarty would it lead? In
stead of the Journal presenting fairly the dings
of the House, it would he filled with ex,raneous mat
ter Which any member m ght choose o submit.
There was another point of view in which TO look al
this matter If he mstock not, the proposition of the
gentleman had been solemnly adjudlcated to be net
only gu. Of order, but unconstitutional; Mr. d. re.
ferred TO an effort which had been made here some
years ago. on the part oil portion OF the delegation
from one OF The States 10 insert the Journal paper
in the form ofa protest Whether this be called pro-
test or not, 1t was (alr ID. cont-nded) all n,ens
and purposes an argnment-a pre- judgment of
which must hereafter come up for the Iteration of
the House. lie (Al- ID held the pre- mt motion II
be out of order il the gentleman had confined him.
self simply TO Motion u state the fact tina. motion
for leave 10 present the paper made and denied,
he (Nr ID might probably have had no objection
But the gentleman went further, and endeavored 10
rel yh tJnu had
fused even to hear read, because it regarded j,
improper interference with It's organization. But ii
the gentleman would now modify his motion to
state the fact that he desired to submit paper, ard
that moton 10 that effect Was made and refused he
(Mr. d. would not ohec lie did object, however,
10 THIS indirect and irregular mode OF introducing
the Journal matter which the House had refused
to hear read. II tins course of proceeding insisted
on, he hoped that those who GIT have charge of
subject OF the revision of the rules would examine the
matter with reference 10 The abuses which must ulti-
maely follow IN making out the Journal, and the in
erruption TO the business Of the House which must
take Pl1ce lie knew well that tie gentleman intend
ed no offence TO the House-that he Intended iE-
erruption ireguarily. He Or. D y spoke acans,
the proceeding precedent, and against the
quences TO which il might lead. He hoped it would
be the pleasure Of the House h Mp ii in the bud
Mr.. referred briefly 10 the cited hy Mr. Bar
nard, the point Of order in which he believed was
made by himself lie that, if the gentle
man from New York adroit as he (NIr. ID sup
posed han to be. he woui attain his object by calling
for the yeas and nays the motion 10 enter on the
Journal, done in the precedent referred 10, by
which proceeding the very decision o the House itself
was defeated and nuied !! became the House TO
devise some plan TO check o! proceeding which
in time mus, grow into an abuse
MIR. ID. raised the question OF order, whether il
in order TO to amend the Journal by inserting
that which the House had yesterday refused receive
or hear read.
Mr.. GILNIER asked for the reading of the PROPOSE
ton of Mr. Barnard
| Mr.. BARNARD explained that he had no, called for
the reading Of his paper part Of ms resolution although
1t his right to do So, merely from desire 10
| time. But if any objection raised that ground,
he would cal! for the reading.
Mr.. GlLmER, expressing doubt whether it
in order to call for the reading moved 10 amend the
! motion by striking cut I'll after the word "placc"
| The SPEAKER requested Mr.. Dromgooe TO state
explicitly what his point of order was; which having
been done
| Some conversation followed; after which
The SPEAKER not a word Of whose decision was
heard at the Reporter desk ovcrrued the point of
der of ATr. Dromgooc.
| Mr. BARNARD ,!en modified his rescluto 10 read
as fol! ,ws
Eesorfd, rh't the Journal Of yesterday be amended
Sc rs state, that Mr. Barnard offered IN his place
read paper, gned by himself and forty other
members of the House that obje c;,on vas made
when notion submitted, tha; Mr.. Barnard have
leave II read the paper that question put by the
| Clerk 10 the House which, division, decided
against granting The leave, and that the Journal be
Forthwith amendtd by inserting the following paper, ns
taat offered TO be read, 10 wit And here follows the
Protest
| Mr. GILMER, ihsrenron mod:Ged his motion TO
amend strike from the luton iba, part
thereof which proposed to ameEd the Journal of yes
leday by inserting The sane paper at lengih, oil the
journal of ;o-aay-a pager Mr.. G. SAID which could
by means, have got on the journal Of yesterday
II would have been better If The gentleman from New
York. (hr. Barnard had met the question directly by
presenting the paper, and moving that II be spread on
the record.
Mr. G. referred 10 the appropriate mode of disposng
of this question, which was, liz ~ by reference 10
committee. The protest cona'ned argument that
might hereafter BE- mide the shape either of
| argument from the majority mnorit; of commit
| tee, of an argument 10 this House There was
thing in the form IN which the paper presented
from which it could derive any additional force. IL
why this paper should be spread on the
Journal that it signed BY number OF highly
pectabc gentlemen, distinguished members Of the
House, because, the call Of The yeas and nays,
these gen men night give much so!emnity to their
views and opinions they could ny means o! paper
ptt scented in lhs form. H. ~ less 10 why
it was desired that the paper should he spreGd on the
Journal precisely in this form. That lie in
qury. There in reality question relation 10
the amendmen, Of the Jorrnrl Of yesterday, because
;aere in the Journal of yesterday. That
the preeIt fer attempting to spread
this paper on the record.
Mr.. HARALSON, 81 Georgia Zone of the Sutes
which had not complied wh the provisions of the
cond section Of the npportionment law briefly op
pose d the motion TO emend. He coDtended that II
improper thus 10 spread the records of the House,
by trick Of legislation. pnper which might enter
| The reasoning OF this "holc question. We were told.
the paper pro:est:hnt II contained the opinion
of III, gentlemen who hod signed II. The paper might
cover tie whole ground Of d-bac, whsle The members
from the States hose right; ASA I'D we're not u
be heard The members from thosc States did not
the Illuminating ait tudc OF begsc:s :, the door of
this House. They came here with Their commissions IN
their rokt under the bread seal Of their Safes, ard
they were disposed to dodge The question under any
circumstances They had no desire to avoid discussion
al the proper tine and in the proper manner hut they
protests ca:r The Introduction Of this paper in man
ncr so IRE guar undcr the rules The House commit
toe be appointed whose duty bo - inquire
| into ii. So malt RS. LIT the gentleman introduce
resolution ins,rretng that committee 10 nquirc into
the legality and consti,niionalty oi lie manner in
which Tie members from Ike States referred TO- had
obtained their seas here. He nigh, then enter INTO
The whole merits 81 Tie care. But moi fair That