The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-12-07

have that very way in view Twill tell you what he
will do. He will amend the journal by calling the ayes
and noes and of course 1t must be put the journal
what the ayes and noes called for. | come to point
Of order and my point of order now is whether 1t isnow
IN order TO move TO amend the journal Of yesterday
Mr.. BARNARD here modified his motion. which
the Clerk read thus
Resolved That the journal of yesterday be so amend
ca as 70 snow that Mr. Barnard offered paper signed by
hmse and fortynine other members Of this House and
tina. SAID paper be now read as follows.
The Clerk was beginning to read, when he was
interrupted by Mr. GIIMER, OF Va.
Mr.. Speaker, since the gentleman from New York has
80 lsr modified his notion the amendment oe ed to
ought also to be proporonatcly modified But what
right would ask has this paper to go on the journals of
the House We know nothing of the paper ard we don't
want to know any thing about it. If the gentleman in
sss ON the paper being received is it not better that be
referred and report made upon it, Does that paper con-
tam any argument why should be placed upon the jour
na oil the House? Would not the ayes and Of gen.
temen give as much solemnity to the record OF any
question before the House awritten pleading main
tam that there is in yesterdays journal MY
amendment then is strike out much Of the resolu-
on as asks TO amend the journal of yesterday by insert
ing in journal of to-day
MEMBER FROM NEw HAMpsurRE.-NIr Speaker, |
cannot withhold the expression Of my opinion upon this
question The papers which the gentleman from New
York proposed in the first place to read protest on
part of himself and fifty members of this House against
the gentlemen from New Hampshire, Mississippi Missouri
and Georgia. holding members of this House. Are
we to have this thrust upon the journals We told
Is protest 1t may cover the whole ground of debate
and those very members who most Interested cannot
be permitted We come upon our rights showing the
broad seals of the States from which come IT, by the
voice of the House. it is determined that have right
will willingly return to those who sent me here. But
would ask ifthere is not committee upon elections. If
am not mistaken, the House usually has such commit
tee Let then sir that committee institute inquiry into
the egality and unconsttutionay of our election and
let the whole matter be brought fairly up
ANOTHER MEMBER FROM New HAMPsHIRE.-All we ask
mere Is our rights If is found that have right
to seat we will turn backs upon the House and 60
homes but we ask to have fair field We come here duly
returned members according to the laws of New Hamp.
shire The State Of New Hampshire enacted her own
laws and she is unable to find law either in the Consti
tuition or in an act Of Congress- which compel her to
change them. To be sure shehas that Congress de-
sired her to portion herself out in districts; but New
hampshire has never been in the habit asking Congress-
or any other body that God permitted to assemble
what the direction of her laws should be- We here
ask our rights If found that we have not any wego
home and leave you; but believe have rights, and
are prepared to maintain them.
Mr. KENNEDY of Indiana-When this mandamus from
congress was first heard OF in the State which represent
1t was not believed at all believed it was
nuty as certainly it is then said that hoped would
live to see the day when would trampe under foot
come from State that sends Representatives by dis
trics is her good pleasure do so but if it
had not been her good pleasure and she had this
mandamus, would have spurned to take seat as her
Representative. 1t is consolation for me to know
that those from my State who helped to issue
this mandamus have been left to enjoy the
oblivion and security which they deserved have to
remark that members had better not push this
stutiona question too far perhaps the majority of the
House may he turned out of their seats The States from
States properly represented would spurn, however,
to consider the question But there effort made here
90 s,eai march by neg these members hand and foot
done by protest and such protest against the
system of entering protests directly indirectly
would spum to notice such protest as this.
Mr. RAYNER of North Carolina-NIr Speaker-The two
gentlemen who spoke last do to apprehend the
nature of the discussion present engaged in
Allow me to say,we be driven into discussion
oil this question prematurely gentlemen have the mag
nanty which they profess in their party organ, this
wait tha
discussing this question fmember would keep in view
the oath they took yesterday, they would act with little
port the Constitution of the United States The Consu-
uon says that the House mast keep journal of its pro-
what they do but what they refuse to do ALSO 0n
there any man has the hardihood to say that the
gentleman from Pennsylvania did not move ,yester.
DAY that paper be read to this House, and where
Is the evidence on the journals that such motion was
madei' The genteman!from PENN did to read the
paper and we are not discussing the merits of that
paperha is not the question but it the matter of fact
whether he moved or not Gentlemen surprised that
there proposition made yesterday to put the mo-
ton the journals. When motion is made in this
House. is not the practice request to be put on the
journals This too great and too weighty question to
be passed over in desutory discussion like this The
gentlemen from New Hampshire and Georgia seemed to
thinki that an effort was made to trampe upon their
rights. There is no such effort. But the minority
here consider this great constitutional question: and
they wish to see whether notification in its odous
if the majority in this House will counienance such
odious notification The proceedings in this House yes
@ 10 cure any man Of the last lingering
gentlemen will look at the matter of fact presented here
only
Mr.. GmMER, of Va, answered Mr.. Rayner briefly, to
prove that the paper offered by Mr. Barnard could have
no reference to the proceedings of yesterday.
Mr. CoBB, oil Ca, followed on the side hut he had
hardly got warm with his subject when Message from
the President of the United States was announced.
Mr.. JOHN TYLER jr then walked forward bearing the
Presidents Message brore him. which he delivered to the
Speaker.
The Presidents Message then read by the Clerk, at
the CONCLUSION Of which
Mr. HENRY A. WISE moved that the usual copies of the
Message be printed for the of the House and that
10000 extra copies with the documents accompanying it,
be ordered to be struck off for distribution
Mr. PAYNE of Alabama, said that he believed this
an American Congress. ltouched upon subjects which
affected the interests of the whole people and could
be too widely circulated.
Mr. BARNARD, of N. Y. proposed that 5000 copies be
printed
Here long discussion ensued about the number of CO.
pies which might be expedent print but last came
back to the original proposition print 900 co
pies with the documents The printing is go into the
hands othe person who may succeed in the canvass now
so briskly going II would be out of place to enter
into all examination here ofthe various questions
braced in the Message or the judgment and sagacty
the reverse OF both which characterize the Presidents dis
posal OF them But it is fairly within the line of this
porters duty to note the reception which the reading of
the Message received from the members the House Of
Representatives He has stated in the opening this let
ter that the galleries crowded When the Message
strangers that was not Immediately occuped When the
Clerk commenced to read the solemn stiffness
ensucd and during the whole reading every word he
tered was caught with eagernes and interest That por
ton of the Message which touches upon the duty of the
United States towards Texas has linked John Tylers name
with the interests Of the South closely and directly
that amidst the heavings to and fro Of public opinion
it would not be surprising if the Southern viii began
think that than him might bu1ow in the White
House The Southern Members in the House would have
liked to 900 copies of the Message printed Let
Harry Of the West then look TO the game This is Ty
ers last card but 1t may turn up Jack. The action of
Congress, this session, the Texan question may show
the beginning of and strange revolution in politics
j. E.
p s. have this moment learned how the elections for
the offices not yet filled to GO Put them down with
all the authenticity of Herad news and let some croa
in the Express contradict them after they confirmed
The elections will take place tomorrow and Blair and
lsives will he Printers McNulty of Ohio, Van Buren,
democrat, Clerk DR. Lane, of KY, Sergeant-at-Ar
Dow, (incumbent) Door.Keepcr. J.E.
PHILADELPHIA.