Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1843-12-09
TWENTY. EIGHTH CONGRESS.
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
TnE nNE nouR RUE.

ts-e fslss ussrc which limited the OF speaking
IN. SPEAKER said there was such = rule.
Ms DUNCAN. Then move 10 amend The motion OF
,hs gentleman n Virginia tMr DKcAooori)e b, 'f"'p''"g
inst ruiz. flt j. "a the following words:
IL No member shall b. allowed 20 speak than
'' ABOLITION PETITIONS
NJ, ADAMS expressed the hope that hc had ost the
benefit Of his motion eYept that rule which xcludcd the
r-esption Of certain Petuons'
IN. SPEAKER said that the motion Of the gentleman
fun Ohio Mr. DuNcAN) inst IN order.
Nj ADAMS then moved Ia amend the amendment oi
the gentleman from Ohio, by sreePtig the rule, NOV
Tered % aud winch j. the following words;
"No petition memorial, resolution, other paper pray
ing abolition 81 slavery IN the District OF Columbia,
sny Sdt. Territory, the slave trade between the States
.r Territories the United States IN which
shall received by tins House. entertained IN way
.~hatcvor."
Mr. DRoMGooI.E rose nnJ accepted, part Of his
original motion, the mOnon oi the gentleman from Ohio
mir. DuNUAN.)
Mi CAVE JOHNSON inquired III the SrrAxrK wletl
81 a would be order strike out much
of the resolution had been accepted by the semitic
man from Virginia Mt DKoNGOoLI) a modification 81
his propositOn'
The SPEAKER sand such a motion would be in order.
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON thereupon submitted the motion.
THE effect OF tins motion would be TO re'ain the rule
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON would simply Tcnark lac said,
that all the rules adopted by the lust Congress he cOn
dcrcd that limiting debate houra the best
Mr.. DUNCAN disposed, lac said the pTeseIr-
moment, discussion the propricty i'm
proprety OF this rule. But he wished say, that when
questions IN which county felt deep interest up
into the Compass of "A single hour They here as the
o the people and they bound such,
do justice To the great and weghy questions which
must come before lie could proprety limit
mp the time hour any limit at ali. lie knew OF
no which the country had suffered by full discus
ons important Although tue business OF III,
House might have been pUcTastnnrd and although peri
might have been sacrificed, intelligence had
spread the country; and long some at ihe
speeches might have been, they had not been without their
good results for the people had read them with interest and
had been instructed by them
But there smother reason why he urged tins motion
10 amend. IL unnecessary for him say that the par
~ which hc belonged IA large majority here. IL
also unnecessary for hln that ~ the
lions which would claim the Congress quc-
which the country felt deep interest; questions
involving constitutional principles, which would require
time for argument lie, for one in favor only
SLOWING opportunity propose these questions, but al
OF allowing ample Time 10 discuss them. The country
requires that they should be discussed and oniy
due themselves tina, they should give time tor discussion
hut would be ungcncrous 10 those who opposed to
them give 1t. lie dsikcd any thing like Law,
and he tn-tcd the motion U the gentleman from Tcunes
ace Mr.. Cave Johnson would fail.
Mr.. THOMPSON, Of Mississippi, asked for the read
INK of the proposition stood which having been
rad conversation followed IL To the manner IN which
ilc question should bc put.
Mr. CAVE JOHNSON asked the yeas and nays on hi
mouOu, which We're odcrd and being taken, resulted
follows:
YEAS-Mcssrs Barringer, Bidlack, James Black. Black
WELL Bossie Jacob Brinkerho, Brodhead, 4. V. Brown,
Milton Brown, William J. Brown jeremiah Brown But
fington Caldwell J. T.. Cary, Carroll, Aug A. Chapman.
!om, Dana, Garrett Davis, Dec, Dickey, Ellis, FaEiee,
Fish, Florence Foot, Fnck Ciddings, Gimer w Green,
Grnne, Grder HARRISON, Hardin Harper, Hays Holmes,
Hopkins liubbel Washington Hunt, james b. Hunt j.
X. ngerso Irwin, jerks. Cave Johnson Percy B. John
son Preston King, Daniel 2. King Labranche, Leonard
Mclvaine, Marsh EdW ard j. Morris, Mes, Newton Pat
crson Peyton, PhuniE, Pratt, Ramsey Rayner Charles
W. Reed, Robinson, Rodney, Rogers Russell, Simple,
Schenck, Seuer, David L. Seymour; Sinons Sidel A.
ber smith, Steson Thomasson, Thompson, Tilden, ~
Ter, Vance, Vanmeter Ninton Weller, Wheaton, " White,
Wilkins, Winthrop Woodward, William Wright Io>t pa
a. Wright, Yost-9G.
NAYS-Mos.rs. Adams Anderson, Arlington, Akin.
son, Barnard, Brardey, Beser, Benton, James A. Black,
Bower, Bowln, Boyd, Burke, Campbell, Catlin Chappe,
Clinton, Cobb, Richard ID. Davis John W. Davis Dean.
Debeny, Dillingham;, Douglas, Dromgooc, Duncan. Dun
lap Elmer Feckin Foster French, Hale Hamlin Henley,
lierrck, Hogo Hubbard, Hudson Hughes, HunRerord {.
J. lngerso, jameson Andrew Johnson George W. Jones
Kennedy, krkpatrcS, lewis, lnrN-, McCasen, Macay
Mcclellan. McCleruand Mcconnell, Mcdowell, Mickey
Mathews, Moore. Joseph Moris, Mosery. Murphy Nurrs
Owen, Parnenter, PAYNE, Petit, T.. r. Pouer Emery u
Potter, Purdy, Rblhburn Amon a. Read. David > Reid
Rele, Rhe, Ritter, St Jon Saunders, Thomas H. Sey
mour, Simpson, John r. Smith, Thomas Smith, Robert
SMITH Sieenod John Stewart, Stone, Strong, sykes ay.
lor Tibbatts, Wentworth Williams, Wise-92
So the motion of Mr.. CAVE Johnson was agreed to.
Mr WISE, briefly referring Iic various
freedom OF debate which had from time to time found
their way into the Rules Of the House asked Mr. DRo4.
modify his proposition sEccpf that portion
at the 1921 rule which ism the following words
And also u providing iO the discharge OF The Commit
zee from the consideration OF sny bill referred to after
acting without debate all ndmen pending and that
may be offered"
The SPEAKER said the motion Of the gentleman from
Massachusetts Mr. ADAMS frt IN order; bat nu the
motion OF the gentleman Virginia Mir WisI) would
be m order as al amendment 10 tie amendment
Mr.. WISE said he had not yet Offered Ia such He
asked his colleague NJ DFoNGooLr) to scceptit nodi
icAtion Of his resolution.
Mr. DRoMGOoLE said he would with pleasure do 60,
but ne was not exactly with the rules. There.
lore that he the popey Of taking them a. they
stood trusting the good OF the House =, modify
them after the members had had opportunity
ing Them
After a bret conversation
Mr. WISE waived his proposition fyr the moment.
The question then the motion OF Mr.. AuEus -
amend the PROPAGATION Of Mr. Daoa.ooLt, by ,Icsyfi- tn
rule numbered % which excludes the reception
petitions
Mr.ADAMS The frs, fe. words Of whose remarks .,oI
not be heard by the Reporter said he hoped that the ma.
loHty would yi"d 10 his propositions that they would Ice
sensible uat it had been benefit them and
could BE- ~ no h'neit continue tins rule: and CONT
dent OF the tact OF the majority they IN this House that
they would be willing to dispose Of petitions whaeyef
subjects IN such manner infringe upon the night
81 pehnon on ho part ui the people. lie IN
uhon 10 argue i- question; aud II e was, he bee,e ed
was perfectly understood b every member nt the House
and by the people door. lie presumed ii Their. had
ever been any necessity for IT, there was now no necessity
whatsoever that II could be VI effect and that whatever
petitions might be presented this House on points which
THE rule declared the House would receive might M
'eceNed without the slightest danger any inercsin -
community, and wipe away from the annals OF thu. House
The disgrace ct abrdgng he right Of petition the part 81
tle people
Mr. A. concluded 10y asking the yea. aud nav. IN the
amendment which ordered; and being TAKEN r,-u
ted NJ follows;
fEAS-Messs. Adams. Anderson, Barnard Beard
ey Benton. w. j. Brown, jeremiah Brown Burlington,
}. T. Cary, Carroll, Catm Chngmau. Clinton, Cola
ner Crunson Dams, X. D. Dayi.. Dean, Dickcy Di.
hnRham, Dunlap. EI- Elmer, Fish, FLORENCE. Foot.
Fnck, Giddngs, Grun'l Hale. Ilumin llordu liar.
per- Henley, ileuisk, llubbel Hudson. Iluneeri .ri
washington Hunt James Y. Hunt Joseph r. Ingor~u.
lfvn, Jenks, Perlry b. Johnson, Kennedy Dame, T.
Mag hHkpairck, Leonard. Moclay. Mcclellan. VI.
DOveH' Mclvanc, Marsh, Edward j. Morris IascYIi
MOTIFS mo-eey, owen Panuenier. Paterson, Perii Pho.
niN, Elisha X. Potter, Emery ID. Potter Ramsey Rain.
hun, Charles VI. Read, Robinson, Rodney Rolger..
sample. Shenck, Thomas n. Seymour, David T.. S.y.
mour Simons' Albert Smith, j. T.. Smith, r. Smith
Stetson, John Stewart sykp., TIdcn Tyler vanc.
NanmeteT Nlninu, Wheaton, White. Williams, " d.
ihrop, w. Wright, J. A. Wught-ql.
NAYS-Messrs Arlington, Atkinson Barringcr Del
ser, Bidack, James Black, James A. Black Blackwell
Eo..er. B9Wer. BoM-n. Boyd. ]. Bnnkcr-nh ELuna.od