The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1843-12-08


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Sfanasf aIi.hc waited was fair understanding
fdrns no subject that there Iaight bn no difficulty
i lae-S-Ss .lis subject and he did not think that
the resolution of the gentleman from North Carolina
would 10 any injustice to the printers to be elected
should be adopted but he was in favor Of separa-
ton oflthe printing from the political press.
Mr.. PARMENTER spoke in favor Of a modifca-
ton Of the resolution
Mr.. DICKEY, of Penn, offered the following
| amendment:
That the Clerk be authorized to contract with
the lowest bidder"
The CHAIR decided the motion to be out of order.
So thequeson taken on the amendmen, of
Mr. GLMER to separate the public printing from the
political press aud the following was the resutyeas
SO, nays I2i.
So the amendment of Mr.. GILMER was lost
Mr. DICKEY's amendment was here announced 10
be in order by the CHAIR, when be demanded the
yeas and nays.
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON spoke in opposition to the
amendment, because he believed it would prove deri
mental 10 the public interest from the fact that in
dividuals would bid who were not capable Of execut-
ing the work.
Mr. DlCkEY here rose and offered modification
to the original amendment to meet the objection OF
the gentleman from Tennessee, Mr.. Cave Johnson
Mr.. CAVE JOHNSON inquired if the Senate had
reduced the compensation of their Printer?
Mr.. DlCKEY said that was an independent body
and he had nothing to do with the business of the
Senate.
MIR. BEARDSLEY here rose and made an inquiry
which was inaudibe.
MIR. CAVE JOHNSON gave him satisfactory
answer as he nodded assent
MIR. WISE said this subject had at the last
session, been referred to committee, and il
was the opinion Of every member of that
committee that the public printing could be
done with saving to the Government of 80 I-3
per cent. by the establishment Of a Government
Office He said there had been reported bill to this
effect at the last session and to remedy this difficult
y all the House had 10 do was to take up that bill,
pass it, and send tito the Senate and let it become
law. He would no sooner vote in favor Of the Madi-
onian than for Blair Rives all he wanted was to re-
medy the evil which exists under the present system
The question was here taken on the amendment Of
Mr.Dickey, as modified by yeas and nays and the fol
lowing is the result-Yeas Ga, nays no.
So the amendment of Mr.. Dickey, as modified,
was lost.
Mr. CAMPBELL, Of South Carolina, offered as
modification to the resolution of the gentleman from
North Carolina, Mr. Mckay, to wit: "That the
compensation Of the printers shall be same as that of
the last session"
Mr. MCKAY objected, and contended that the
gentleman from South Carolina would gain nothing
by his modification. He said that the printers of the
last Congress had received "oriyn thousand dollars
above whs, they had contracted TO perform the work
for, for the House, and this done, too by party
just going Of its political existence and the cry Of
retrenchmeut by the way of contracting comes with
rather bad grace from the other side OF the House
Blair and Riyes bad performed the work un.
der the same law, they had never asked for q
restoration # The hrepty per cent; and his PROPOSE
ton was TO give them the same compensation
that they had previously received hy reduction of
the twenty pr cent.
Mr.. FRENCH offered the following as modi6-
cation, add hoped it would be received by his fIirnd
fl m North Carolina
RESOLVED That Committee If - members be APP
pointed WIN Instructors u inquire INTO, anu report
to this House such of compensation to be paid
the public printe~ hereafter to be elected, es will
mant ain Just economy for the Government and al
adequats compensation to the Printer" &c.
Mr. CAVE JOHNSON moved the previous quct-
ton.
Mr. BARNARD rose ard inquired what would
he the consequence of the previous gu, stion 2
Tue SPEA KER said it would cut OF all debate
and bring the Hou to direct vote
Mr. BARNARD dissenteJ
Mr. CAMPBELL rose and dc handed the yeas
and nays upon the main question, which resulted as
follows: Yeas 1877, nays ~.
So the House decided that the main question should
be now put, which was the resolution Of the gentle
man from North Carolina
Mr. WHITE, of Kentucky, rose TO point of or
der and differed with the opinion Of the Chair that
the previous question cut off all debate He called
his attention to the Parliamentary law, which con
troed the House until the Rules Of the House were
adopted, which makes the previous question debate
able
The CHAIR said the gentleman could not discuss
the question unless he appealed from the decision Of
the Chair.
MIR. DROMGOOLE rose and inquired if the
question before the House not the main question:
being tho resolution Of the gentleman from North
Carolina, (Mr. Mckay.)
The CHAIR answered aGilnatively.
MIR. ADAMS rose and inquired by what authority
he acted
MIR. SAUNDERS rose and informed the gentlemen
from Massachusetts, that the decision Of the Chair Of
the last Congress the authority.
/ Here was great confusion
| The SPEAKER called Mr.. Adams to order.
! Mr.. WHITE appealed from the decision of the
| Chair.
| The decision Of the CHAR was sustained by the
House, and the resolution of Mr. Mckay of North
Carolina was adopted. So che. main question was
| ca ried.
Mr.. STRONG, of New York. nominated Blair &
Rives.