The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-01-01
Court Of Enquiry on Board the North
CnroIfnu
THIRD DAy-SAruRpAy Drc.

The cabin was crowded with naval officers and citi.
zens.
| MIR. WALES was again called.
Commodore STEWART addressing him. said-You have
had some time TO reflect since giving your testimony
teray have you any thing TO add your evidence yes
| terday
wALEs-Yes sir wish to add about the difference of
Cromwells treatment ofthe boys When we first went
out he was very tyrannical TO the apprentices having
no conversation with them at ALL but keeping altogether
aoo from them and when called upon to nfict punish
men would strike with all his might as if pleasing
him he would whip them hard the smallest boy as
| though he were whipping man. / have frequently
| heard Commander Mckenzie censure him for whipping
hard he has ordered him to stop Just previous to our
arrival OF Madeira noticed sudden change in his
towards the boys making free with them and PLAYING
with them: have heard Mr.. Spencer tell the
crew and the boys that the Captain gave orders merely
TO see the crew worked that there necessity take
in SAIL and make sail And when he was giving the to-
bacco that spoke about yesterday to the and the
boys, he would say that Capt Mex enze would not let
them have it, he would accommodate them.
BY Capt. MckENzrE-Dd you ever hear Commander
Mckenzie reprove Cromw ell for cursng the boysl
A-Yes, sir, frequently He has for him aft and
reproved HMM my presence.
By McKENzIE Did you ever see Spencer give money
to any others but Cromwell and Small2
Ayes, to several can't specify to whom; but have
seen him give shilling and two shillings-throw them
down the deck and let the boys scramble for the money
Il don't know would be of any interest to the Court
but Cromwell and Small both told me they had been in
savers-
to the facts known to yourself
Mr.. HOFFMAN, in reply to question from Captain
what was said by any of the properly admssi
BILE, If going to show the state of the crew
A. by JUpGE ApvocATE-What were you going to say
about Cromwell and Small2
A.-That they told me they had been IN sayers that
Cromwell had been taken and carried to Havana where he
was confined IN Moro Castle and was there time but
was liberated by women whe had considerable influence
with the Governor oftke Island.
O. by Com. DALLAs-Dld he state what vessel captured
himl
A-No.
O. by Capt McKrSzn-Did you, during Mr.. spencers
catechism, when upon the booms, pause and observe
whether he were in earnestl
Ayes, ! did and found him very serious indeed.
q. by Capt MckENzIE-Can you report the oath admin
sered to your
A-Not the words; it was merely that was never to
like that.
The JuDeE ADVOCATE remarked that all that was IN the
Capt. MCKENZIE replied that he knew it was but he
wished the questions put again in the present form.
q. by Capt McKENzIE-What was the state of the
as good conduct and subordnaton between New York
and Madeira 2
A. Very good decpline indeed After we left Madeira
for Santa Cruz could dissatisfaction-we noticed
change and continued to increase up the time that
the men were executed As quick the execution took
place there change-the most sury before said
yesterday, now went quickest to work.
Q. by Capt McKENzIE-Was there any motive to this
conduct as far as you could arising from any treatment
Alt similar precisely, the rules and regula
tons and same duties to perform before and after
Q. by Capt. McKENxE.Did you ever see a list of those
concerned in the mutiny, as drawn up by Spencer
Atlas seen TO be that list,
the night was taken out of Mr. Spencers locker.
@. by Capt.McKENzE.-How did you observe sullinness
in those who were in the list previous to seeing this?
Al did IN most OF them, and think brought two
three OF them up for nsoence At this time the
alarms sick and attended to his duty and had charge
O. by Capt MoKENzrE.-How soon after your interview
with MIR Spencer did you understand that the muny was
to be carried into effect Z
Alt was to go into operation shortly; before our ar
rival at st. Thomas.
G. by JUDGE ADvocATE-Dd Cromwell tell you the time
when
A.-No, he merely said he had been in one.
The evidence of Mr. Wales being read to him, he
dismissed. Mr.. Wales is stout good looking Young
man, OF rather an intelligent air.
Lieut. GAssEvooRr was the next witness called He is
very fine looking man. athletic FORM mild, agreeable
countenance with more apparent intelligence than Capt
Mckenzie.
o-were you board the somers during her late
cruise, and in what capacity
AIS LIST Lieutenant-the only Lieutenant on board.
Q-W you state the number names and rank of the
officers on board
A.--There twelve 4 Commander Mckenzie, my.
SELF DR.. Leycock Purser Heskl, Sailing master Perry
Mdshipmen Henry Rogers, Egbert Thompson, and c. H.
Hayes and Phillip Spencer Acting Midshipmen Delande
and Tillotson, Clerk O. H Perry.
Q.-How many men and apprentices on board
Al am not sure-he Pursers roll will give the exact
number.
Q-When did you sail from New York;
A.-On the 18th of September.
Q.-At what time did you arrive at Madera7
Der.
Q-On what day the mutiny first revealed to you
A--On the Goth of November.
A.-On the evening of the same day.
Q.-On what day was Cromwell AID Small arrested
A-On the next day.
Q-On what day were they executed
A-On the LIST of Dec.
Q-On what day did you arrive at st. Thomas7
Al think on the 5th.
Own you detail all the circumstances connected
with this affair in your way2
A.-On the morning. about ten O'Clock, met Mr.
Wales by the fore hatch, who informed that Mr. Heis-
Kill wished to see me; went and saw the purser and he
asked me if was aware that there was plot on board
n 10 officers and |
replied that knew nothing of that; he then related to
me what Mr.. Wales had told him; that Mr. Spencer had
taken Mr. Wales in the booms between the hours OF
and the previous evening the 25th and then after
swearing him, had made known his plots he told him that
there about twenty concerned with him for the
purpose of taking the vessel out of the hands OF the Off
GERS; the plan was to make on the forecaste, and
that when the officer of the deck Mr. Rogers, would go
forward to see what was the matter, they would then
seize him and throw him overboard then they would go
aft and enter the cabin, and murder the commander and
the other officers. That much as remember OF what
then said; did not indeed hear all he had to say as
anxious TO make the matter known to the command
and expressed his doubts as to it's truth and that
the vessel good discipline asked him if should
see Mr.. Wales myself, and get the story from him; he
said no. he didn't wish me to say anything about it,
Odd he assign any reason for that
Al don't remember at this time that he did He or.
generally which dad at dinner time missed Mr.
Spencer from the deck little before two O'clock dis
there for the purpose OF seeing what he was about. He
sitting the lee side of the top with his chin resting
on his breast apparently IN deep thought He did not OBJ
until had got up in the top, and standing
erect He raised his head, and as soon as he dis
covered me, exhibited some confusion. He asked me
questions about the rigging about the foremashead
which answered in my usual manner.
By Com. SrEwART.-What rigging y
A-somethng about the fitting of the lower shrouds,
and something about the opmast stays The lower rig
gng was fitted differently from any had ever seen.
observed to him that came through the stserage the
dinner ready, and all there but him, and asked
him if he did not dine He said he didn't about it
just then. came deck then and left him in the top.
should think hour after when discovered Green
in the top with him. who appeared TO be engaged in prick
ing ink into the arm OF Spencer The employ
ed in singing clean hammocks and ordered Green
down. MIR. Spencer put his head the top
rails, and from his manner, ] judged that he
wished Green to remsin ! repeated the order, and
then ordered Mr.. Spencer to send any other man
that might be in the top deck Green came down i'm.
mediately, but Mr. Spencer remained in the top.
By Com. sTEwART-The order not for Spencer to