The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-09-30

gle eye To the prosperity of the church and Inc aor,
OF God, TO continue their labors, avoiding the dis
cusson OF doctnnal points which cannot be setlleo
10 this Convention. He then announced that The
following resolutions became the order oil the day 3
Whereas appears that doubt exists az TO the ,rn,
construction OF the rubrc, which directs that in the ori
nation of candidate for orders in the Church the Bishop
shall call the people, to make known the existence
any impeachment to such ordination, whether suy pres
byt in the Church has to respond to such all
one of the people-and whether in case any impedi
ment be alleged, and the has undergone previous
investigation upon private complaint aud has been de-
termned by the Bishop to be uniounded il is or il not
the duty OF the Bishop to suspend such ordination.
Therefore, for the purpose Of solving such doubt
Resolved That the delegates from this diocese the
the notice Of that body, that such action may be had
thereon as may seem meet.
Resolved That the delegates from this diocese to the
general convention of the Church. be requested TO pro
pose for adoption, to that body at its next meeting
canon, which shall in substance provide that when the
Bishop shall receive from any two presby objections
in writing the ordination Of any candidate for order.
in the Churchnoce of the time and place of the exam
nation Of such candidate shall be given TO such pres
byters who shall thereupon have the right present
at and take part in such examination and that for the
avoidance of any misunderstanding mistake all ques
tons nut to such candidate and the answers made by him
shall be reduced to writing.
Mr. JoHN DUER then rose and supported the reso-
lutions. He said he should abstain from all com.
ment on tho unfortunate transaction which called
them forth; contradictory the statements of these
facts are, it was impossible to form a satisfactory
opinion. For himself he could not understand
what possible objection any one could have to the
discussion and adoption oil these resolutions. The
Bishops Interpretation OF the rubrc, Wis that the
presbyers had not the right to interpose any objec
lion TO candidate for ordination when the
Bishop calls on the people, would imply a
censure on the presbyters who entered their
protest against the ordination of Mr.. Carey.
He contended that the term "peope !" In the rubric,
not restricted to the laity, but extended to ali
present, whether lawyers or clergymen. He argued
that IN such cases protest or objection came with
a peculiar grace from the clergy. The presbylers,
of all others, were bound to make objections il they
had any. Ihe question was one OF Interpretation,
on which lawyers were as competent to decide as
clergymen He thought it important that the les.
ton should be settled by the general convention,
that presbyters, if they had the right to object,
might not be he'd up to the public as disurbers OF
worship; and il they had not the right, it equal.
ly importsnt that the ,presbyters should know the
TACT He read from the rubric, which provides
that an investigation shall take place if any impedl.
ment or crime be charged against any candidate.
In Case OF such charge no private examination,
held Tor the sat- faction Of the Bishop s the invesli-
CATION intended by the rubrc when the charge is
made against candidate; an investigation is 10 be
defence maintained. Mr.. Duer urged the adoption
OF the resolutions as the only means OF restoring
peace to the Church. He then proceeded TO the
consideration OF the second,resoution He spoke
OF the awkward position Ia which the parties had
placed themselves before tho world, divided on a
matter OF tact, SO that men tempted que stIon
the veracty oil one the other of the parties These
resolutions were the only things that could prevent
the recurrence OF similar scene to that presented
by the late unfortunate occurrence. If the course
recommended by the resolution had been pursued
in regard 10 MIR. Carey-if the questions put to
him had been written, and had his answers, too,
been written and well consldered-no such scene
as has taken place would have occurred. All
should vote for the resolutions who desire to
maintain the just authority of the Bishop.
He was one OF those who believe that on the au.
the episcopacy, depend the preservation of the
CHRISTIAN faith IN lis purity He was friend of the
Bishop, and would support him in the exercise ofali
lawful authority, as on that depended the malnte-
nance of true christianity. He said there was. how
ever, possibility that the church, though NORMALLY
Protestant, might yet become Roman in lis charac-
ter. He thought there might be danger of such an
event, and II was the duty OF the church TO guard
against 1t. A Eishop. might be placed over the
church VINO could be the means of Introducing such
an event. If then, By the Providence OF God, such
Bishop should be called TO preside over the church.
he might be restricted within the limits Of his Lawful
authority by these resolutions, and the church be
saved. He spoke of the spread OF certain doctrines
prevalent among The clergy, and the students the
Seminary, as giving some Cause for apprehension.
ihere was another portion Of the church that be.
heved these doctrines 10 be dangerous, and that il
not soon arrested IN their progress they would lead
10 that church whose cOrfu,Nl0ns they abhored
Suspicion may be groundess; it so, what matter OF
Interest OF grateful interest to must be that every
which shall forever set al rest the possibility OF
recurrence OF similar nature and restore back
hdence between the Lazy and the Church. Give.
said he, GIVE US light and knowledge the subject,
and then suspicion must either be entirely dspelied,
or, If true, then we shall know how to combat and
overcome them in future. He then went on TO dis
cuss the probable objections which might be urged
sgans, them, emphaticay asserting that in moving
and urging the adoption OF the resolutions, the per-
sons agreeing with him had no intention of nfrlng-
ing on the au hority of the Bishop In the year
1857 Bishop was pr.vented from Ordanlng can
dluate, auless he had the endorsation Of the Con-
vention-this was the law, and not matter of pru-
Gence
The Bishop here interrupted the Speaker TO inform
him that this was before the assembling Of the Gen
eral Convention OF the United States.
Mr. DUER bowed to the suggestion Of the Bishop,
and proceeded 10 assure The members OF the CoGven-
ton that the Intention OF the movers OF the resolu-
uon was not ultimately 10 IS a vote OF censure on
the Bishop and the Presbyters who sided with him
on the occasion oil The ordination. Such deduc
ton he Indignantly rejected and here took occasion
TO pay tribute OF hlg respe and personal regard
10 many OF the presbytcrs differing from him in
opinion, adding that II would be source OF the
deepest pain could he suppose that any one of them
entertained an opinion that such was his object.
lie then read a report, which he said had been
in substance reported TO The Trustees OF the Theo-
log cal Seminary, and which he thought equally
applicable to the canddat Tor Holy Orders. he
report was, that the questions and answers in the
4TnoMAs l.. OGDEN then rose, and paid compll.
ment 10 the last speaker in adopting many OF his
propositions and arguments, but he was opposed TO
passing hastily on III. resolutions, and moved that
,hey be referred TO special committee to report
thereon, aud 10 make such alterations and amend
me MS would, in tine opinion of the committee,
render them less Objectionable than IN their present
form
Judge DUER then accepted the proposal, offering
an amendment that the committee be allowed 10
retire from the convention Tor the purpose oil prepa-
ring report to be submitted 10 this convention Or
their immediate adoption
Chief Justice JoNEs-!t is utterly impossible for
committee 10 report 10 this convention. The
committee appointed by TIE Char may be majo
rlty then we shall have two reports, and an end
less discussion viii be the consequence. We all
know the merits Of this quest on. Every publicity
has been given which possible to the whole
Transaction, and am of opinion that all are prepar.
ed to vote on the resolutions without a reference.
Judge DUER pressed his amendment, and on the
question being put, the Bishop decided that 1t was
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