Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1843-12-16

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York moved on rucsday amend tie journal PIE.
csdlpg dsN. Well, u inip-sihlC any one vote
with hun upon this proposition Who did no, believe there
was an IN the preceding dsy. Tint the whole
point iaNoNcd in The proposition. II apparent the
Parsl could no 10y possibility, have gone upon the journal
the hrs dHN and therefore no error Ia would have
been impossible him and those who thought with him
Ca vote for the amendment Of the jounal long there
an error and the only proper mode ol getting pa
per the journal would be by direct prop0 siton to
I spread IL upon the record.
Mr.. BARNARD said lac thought he perceived whetc
the difficulty lay with the gentleman from Vugnia II
seemed To him TO be purely ahs,guei difficulty. Pract
caly, he should difficulty the case. What was
the history ct the proceeding Why when that body
tgctlef Tor tht purpose 1T organizing itself, member
rose in ms place. lac had constitutional right TO DO and
claimed rad paper which he held in hs hand Ii was
objected and then member rose end moved thu,
th first member have leave read the paper. The uue.
ton put 10 the House and permission refused Jour.
nal Il nsdc mp, and made up without the slightest notice
whatever at The transaction; and the following iay
motion Is made to amend the Journal that II should show
the facts OF the This the proposition which it
appeared 10 him. need dsturb 10 vote
of VINO was Wiling TO have tlc records of Congress 20
! down 1. proseiity in correct ana accurate form.
But 10 The proposition immtd aiely before the
House. After the House had stricken out from the rcso
lion that part which rciicd the protest, gentleman
from Maine. moved amend the resolution by dircctnc
the CLERK, IN making hc journal be read Tomorrow
o. omit the protest. IL grave question to touch up m
something NOR than tlc bcioru the House In
his opinion affected The Constitution itsCt and il affect
Cd also the oath which e Clerk hC House had taken
The House Gking upon it>c instruct beforehand
the Clerk omit paper which formed part ut the
udiugs. How should tie Clerk record the proceel
ings without inserting that paper' The question had been
taken by and and h. was Therefore bound 10 IN
sS II. II there any thing palmer than another
that one-ha the mbors OF the House have the
right to have the aud nays recorded on every question
lie begged that g5ucmpn would ping up one
act oi nulhcanon upon another ia this mrnner. They
had null'hcd Of Congress 10y TIE introduction Of GER
tain mbers into that House and they now proposed 10
nuly tie Constitution by instructions their clerk The
clerk OF that House could discharge his duty 70 that
House, and have due regard his OATH without la.
sorting the whole which had been oricnsy mo-
I we'd.
Tho trainers OF the Constitution knew very well what
they were about they did need be instructed They
knew that minorites have nghts, and hey knew the i'm
portance preserving those rights And they knew the
Importance OF having legislative questions accurately
recorded ioI the the present time vel
OF Posiei They therefore directed that BODY should
keep ourns and any direction the par; OF the House
10 sworn oce to muate that Journal should be treated
By that officer nudity His oath was above the order
"i tue House tie mad sworn 10 support the Constitution,
AMI he could never keep his oath unless he entered cor
rect account 81 The proceedings OF the dSy upon the Jour
NAT tAl'1 Az Maat was IL That members contcndug
fort Why should they be tenacious about rejecting
paper from the records OF the proceedings OF that House
/ II was psr Of TIE solemn proceedings Of the BODY
There nothing in it Observation-Disclosures unbccom
Tag Were they afraid That the journal would be det!ed
10y le record Then WHY not let fireman here stood
II could possible harm, hut, the CONTRARY would
De us'iu precedent TO all future nmea precedent which,
lac trusted, their would disregard The toni,
OF moderation INDUCED BY the minority upon TN. subject.
Tue ASSASSINATION manifested nUty its landing the strong
opinion. IN regard their rights, entertained bv the ino
N.Y. 10 disturb the organization Of the BODY delay pro
ceodinEs;-a these things important, and j, VS.
highly necessary that iEeN should appear upon the journals
Bat that was not all. They had the paper already un1n
dc Juu'ua how they get rid of iil The rcnfr
man ir"m rginia had made . difficulty, inasmueh as he
asserted MAJ c Proposition did not O. be one.
How would gentlemen The question when IL came Up
q rtrA" oW ihc whole record OF tc paper and did not
perceive that proposition strike out vas a ny lr. tiD
ia-y The journal! lie lid not understand now any man
could entertain such proposition moment lie hoped
the gcnemsn's friends would induce him withdraw his
amehdn1 mt; Tor hey would find heins lives involved in IL
ext ic Ib, diff. u.,,.
Mr. THOMPSON was somewhat surprised a, tie per-
severance which some members aud particularly the mem.
Der from n y MI BARNARD. Rad shown IN crieayorrc
TO get Tins protest spread upon journal tceriainy d
not appear him Ia blaze with so much wisdom a.
10 render AM anxious - hand down TO pos,c.ty t,t
which false s,l ior ID was no part OF tho rFocec
dngs OF Monday, and nobody pretended ha il was. No
member of the House who had the paper knew
any thing aboui TWAS received read o. cnteyian.
Cd Tor moment and nobody therefore could know what
i was Let the lact, then, stand ,ho Journal as they &C.
CURED, VIZ that the gentleman from y. y offered paper
10 the House which received read without
ting what u Gentleman n.v askcd the House ty do
ylndirecton ~hntthey could do decon and there
tore now was hc proper Time establish the rule, II ever
they established any all, whether ID member guided bv
any feelings when might influence members may cuiher
your onrna' win any kind OF documents. Why he could
this principle sanctioned, make journal 80 large
that 40 library could contain IL,
Mr. BARNARD explained that it would require orc.
h OF the members present. calling for the and nays
10 authorize the insertion OF eAaneous the Jour.
Mr. THOMPSON continued Wei. suppasc were to
move To amend r Journal By toe insertion u Huiton's
halhemaic5 and there houd Dee fifty members tins oor
msche'"u enough 10 call for tie yeas and nays though
not one Ia vote Tor IT, yell by this ridiculous all
ms cumoersnme and cNaGeOus he copied
o. .cnsu why on she same principle, might tlc
Od Testament copied the journal, though not single
member voted for Let the facts then stand ne they c
cured, ind proposed the motion Of the gentleman from
Naine-namely that the gentleman from New York offer.
cd paper to the Howe which neither received nor
read Not singe member Of the House wos!d say tat
ts protest made part Of the proceedings Monday,
!tt the gent wished 10 have tspreld upon Journal.
What did lac care for that pspcr' IL argument 10 be
sure against his right 10 his he could draw up sn
answer 60 IT, and get inserted tile jplfus II this pro.
test should be- permitted thc.r. lac had no wish
20 cumSer he journal L such irrelevant matter lis prnci.
pa! objection 70 the proceeding this: 5y the
as congress, tie St1'os were qued 20 DO thing
ana sy dn not 90 ~ yet 1t was now proposed u have sic
ted tn journals that these States had %, rpoht.d legal
fraud iH sending members hc5e III violation OF ow Of
SoS' wa lhf rejection east upon these states, and
not upon himself, thst lac objected lie cared nothing
Tor the reflection upon himself lie here in pursuance
Of the laws Of his State, and with an ACKNOWLEDGED msio
nty Of all the legal Of hs district ~ man denied
H. Then, tie JouTna. should that he here snd
participated IN the election Of Speaker, without having
night 10 do would b. reflection not on him. bu; on
TIE oisie which sent him mere. Gentlemen who
petnnscou.y persisted in their endesyors spread tns
protest on the Journal the time when they pursued
Opposite cJufs,. lie would remind them that in the
Of the Presidents protest they were anxious that il should
not 80 on tie journal and. oiccinu their objections
made that the gentleman iiom Virginia Mr.. WISE
Oised 10 MlWlnW o. So $50, ia the OF Mr. Bovine
oi New Yors, who wanted certain facts &, appear on
the journal before the adjournment, and ,ermined
that they should 90 A 10 the Clerks mckng per
tc' journal OF the prJceedn q the House be could say,
hat when he states al the facts ls occurred and nothing
else, then his Journal u perfect.
In conclusion, he repeated ihnt the proper time
when the attention Of The House was called ~ H. ~ osiab.
sh the rule That no member by udirecon should he per-
United to cImbcr the ,ur.a with matter that the House de-
clded should not 20 omit.
Mr HOLMES considered it,,hoiy imrna teria whether
thai protest went on the JOuuo not but IL was material
to the majority aEd minority whether Tie amendment 81
Tie gentleman from Main, was adopted. lie had never
known proposition which, IL adopted, would involve more
seuous cDrteauoncrs, 1nd hc warned gentlemen in tho
ny1rfy however anxious they might Dc keep Tins
Ger ron iAc Jyumus 60 precedent that might be
used with rrous CfeCt against Them wucn enoher party
might have tho majority 10 that iiouse. What pro.
position Of the gentleman from Nainc7 Why, was g.
instruct the clerk 60 Keep certain paper oil the Journal
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