The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-12-09

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the states to be dsrcted, orders States district
themselves i will not say, (as gentleman said yes
important question and would like that it should
met as SUCH for upon the proper adjustment of it, the m
the journal corrected; and ask gentleman from New
York to relieve of this difficulty am willing TO meet
OF the country but willing to see pace ed ON the
journal thing existing only in the imagination Of the
gentleman from New York and his colleagues.
Mr.. BARNARp-h this paper appearing the journals
anticipated judgment in question where members this
House were concerned we would agree to il But what
here claiming to be members of this House. not only
without title but without color oftite. repeat it, with
out color OF title. We Came here under Of Con-
gress-a plain explicit law of Congressone that
Of information could misunderstood But let me remark
to get of the journal When be examined II
win he that it addressed much to the
House. to those gentlemen particularly interested in
the question. We had some slight hope that if
that paper had been read in the hearing those gentle
OF the House 1t was in this view that the paper in
question offered to the House. and this justification
offer to the country and this House speak for myself
aione) for the that determined to be taken
But as said before these gentlemen here without
color OF title and therefore did not consider them
equas IN TINS House Cries of Ayes and Noes"-"
uon"-" question" Sc Great confusion Three or four
persons on the floor at the me.)
shire.n e 'r
Mr.. HALE, Of n H-The gentleman who has just sat
House that sounded anything like Judgment Of this
question would have found obnoxious to the censure
upon it, What is the import of this protest sir WHY
that the Representatives OF four who soemnly swear
10 Protect he Consttutlon o country guilty
lawless act They branded by this naper before the
country as being lawless and revolutionary Does not
that sound something like being personal The states
which these gentlemen represent soemniv believe that
there is no law in existence which tell them how to
which much talked about is so papable violation
othe Constitution that will not bear the light single
the on hsss G
and anothe are not treated in the obnoxious paper
members ofthis House. We are called those persons"
and represented as coming here to commit of
evolutionary violence. The gentleman from New York
says he does not acknowledge his equals When ask
him (ponting to Mr. Barnard to acknowledge me his
equal it will be time enough for him to refuse. Sir
small State small in numbers, but strong in
support OF the Constitution. If blow inflicted mp
our State it will not fall upon the State alone but upon
our common country. Where does New Hampshire get
her right to send Representatives here Not from Con-
gress but from the Constitution And if we fall sir the
Constitution goes with If anything done here to
justice make professions to acquaintance with
the Rules of this House. but profess to have
mon sense and there is not common enough in
Parliamentary Rules, 1t is time had laws altered
Sir, in the position in which stand represent
whose to the Constitution has tested by the
best blood OF her the battlefield In coming here
ask nothing butt solemn justices hope that this
House will adopt measure injurious to the honor Of the
Mr. HucHEs, of Mo-. and Mr.. H.RRALsos of Ga, fol-
lowed the side and in the strain both gentle
men pointing to MT Barnard and repudating the idea OF
Mr.. BEARDsLEY, ofN Y.-Mr. Speaker, did not intend
controversy, compelled
rise indicate self from the imputaon ofillbera
ty so freely vented upon by the gentlemen who have
last spoken do not intend to discuss the merits of
question now which must come up in fitting shape
hereafter But what is the aspac of this question at pre-
sent How is il that this House is organized and const
tuted We hold to be under the law of 1912 which
vdes that all the States of the Union shall elect members
by districts 1t has been the pleasure of four of TWEEN
tysx States in the Union to elect Representatives in def
of that act 1t is the firm conviction Of the members
who signed the paper now attempted to be taken of the
journals that these elections were in derogaon not only OF
those
gentlemen expect Could they expect to sit here and
word of protest? No, Sir; we feel it to be
our duty to oppose such proceedings not only when
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any thing like illberality towards these gentlemen.
rise to repel mpuatons not only to the document but
as to our motives in saying it, rose to explain our mo-
tives consider it right that should appear the
journals Of this House that consider this illegal and
tended farther than the present would not value
itlso much; but when look at the question in its broad
pels every lover of the constitution of country to
speak out hope that the rights Of the minority in this
Mr. LuMrxrs of Georgia-when this question first pre-
scented itself to the House. nothing farther from my
mind than that 1t would occupy much tme and am at
loss for for that part of the
protest which that the signers will not cease to ag
Hampshire the states what is the question be-
fore the House Whether the mere proposal to read
be pretended that read not by this then by what
authority attempted be Justified We told that the
its proceedings would ask if, when'the gentleman from
New York proposes to read paper he calls that the pro-
ceedings ofthe House He to make distinction
between mere proposal and actual performance What
the journal of the House Its actngs and its dongs You
make nothing of it. Is proposal the
even but of an Individual member The journal which
declares that the member proposed to read paper
far correct but when gives the of that paper
is incorrect object to the rregularty Of individual
members attempting to do what is the duty Of the Com
mttee II the duty of the Committee on Elections
enquire the certificates of elections The true
for the gentlemen to pursue is plain rs the noon day
manner is extraordinary and unjust We are informed
that we have presumed to call ourselves members OF this
| body We have not done so; but the people ofthe so
vereign States which represent have done and SO
long the Constitution lasts that voice will not be dis
regarded. They not only call us so, but they make
and long creatures made by their Creator
| that act will be constitutional.
Mr. WISE here attempted to raise apont of order and
mnres pacpr the protest on the journal were irregular
throughout. He was met by Mr.. WHITE, Of Ky. These
much their satisfaction, but the other members did
to pay the least attention to them Some were
talking to and laughing with those around them-others
were addressing their Presidents Messages their
stuents and others were thinking about their dinner
meanwhile.
| A GENTLEMAN from Georgia made motion to lay the
| debate on the table.
Ayes and taken--ayes 81; noes g. The Chair
| voted in the negative; the motion lost.
Mr. HOLMES, of s. C.That protest must appear on the
journal and is out othe power ofthe House to alter the
journal The resolution Of the gentleman from New
York received by the House yesterday If it was re-
ceived it must go on the Journal and II the resolution
the journal the protest. as part OF the resolution
| must go there also.
After little discussion and wranglng about points
of order in which the House showed very much disorder
motion made to postpone the discussion until to-
| morrow morning, which was carried.
The House then proceeded TO the election of
which they agreed should take place rira
The SPEAKER appointed Messrs. JOHNSON Of Tenn, Da-
| Wis, Ind, and VANCE, of Ohio. Tellers.
There taken 100 votes-necessary to choice &C.
| Caleb McNuy, V. B., got .l2f
| Matthew St. Clair Clarke Qate SpeakeD -. 81
| 100
Mr. CJ. IScERsoLL presented bill to refund the fine i'm
posed upon General Jackson which bill went through
two readings ordered to be printed and made the pe
| cia order OF the day for tomorrow.
Mr.. J. Mccoy, of n. c. presented Resolution that
the printing Of the House should be done according TO the
rates established in 1872 with per cent off sundry