The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-07-19

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siVe sale. IL appears to us TO be calmly and tenn
| perately written narrative, and we have been much
grained with this discovery of its character We
trust mat the whole discussion, now fairly com
menced, will be conducted with the same degree Of
charity and forbearance
Our readers already familiar with the occur
rences which have elected this pamphlet We need
not, then, enter on them again Dr. Smith gives a
statement OF his acquaintance with Mr.. Carey aud
the circumstances which led him to refuse to sane
ton his ordination Some correspondence then took
| place between DR.. Smith and Bishop Onderdonk,
resulting In the appointment, by the latter of the
committee OF examination. The proceedings be.
| fore it are narrated at considerable length The
| Bishop, Drs. Berrian, McVickar. Leabury, An,hon
and Smith, and the Reverend Messrs Haight. Hia-
bee and Price, the names of the clergy present
| The following is the report of the examination.
which we deem it important TO give, in order to
places the opinions of Mr. Carey in proper Light
The Bishop then asked if any presbyter had questions
| to put, when DR.. Anthem proposed question to Mr..
ed to the question on the ground Of ts being merely
pothetcal in its character" Mr.. Carey expressed
| his Willingness to answer. The answer was taken down
in writing by DR.. Anthem read to Mr.. Carey, and
sented TO by him as correct. ~
The following was the question proposed 3
O. !. surprising entrance into the ministry of the
Protestant Episcopal Church in this country were not
open you, would you, or would you not have re.
| Romer
A. Possibly might, after due elaboration, but think
that should more likely remain in communion,
have no special leaning towards the joining Of theirs
| at present"
Dr. seabury having objected to this question being
put and having advised the not answer the
right thus 10 advise questioned by u.s. preventing
arriving at knowledge of the sentiments actually
held by Mr. Carey and thus defeating the very object of
the examination The Bishop decided that the candidate
might be advised by any one Presby ter whom he might
examined be allowed the benz fit of counsel The
Bishop did not recede from his decision Exception was
taken to the decision, as sanctionng mode wholly
recedened but the exception not strongly pressed
Dr. Smith then proposed question in the following
words -
Ga" you hold to, and receive the DEGREES of the
Council of Trent 2"
His was, 81 do not deny the DEGREES the
Council"
Mr. Carey had proceeded thus far in his reply. when
at the request OF Drs. seabury Berrisn Mvickar, and
Mr. Haght, he declined repeating the words next in
order as DR.. Anthem desired to allow him time
take down the full answer the advice being grounded
upon the loss OF time it would occasion to take down.
| in this manner, all the answers.
DR.. Smith here observed, Brethren, running
charge sol duty to the Church, and not TO consult
personal convenience Ought we not be willing
necessary to remain here till 10 O'Clock tonight and
to assemble again tomorrow and remain the entire day.
| if needful, SO as to come TO just conclusion p
Mr. Carey finally expressed his willingness to repeat
his answer to the question which he did in the following
| words, which we're taken down by DR. Anthon.
A ~ do notaesy them-I would not positively affirm
! them"
The examination proceeded part, to question g.
g. Do you or do you mo-, deem the differences be-
| OF Rome to be such as embrace points of faith %
TO this Mr. Carey was understood to reply If these
would embrace points of faith but it, as is believed they
are matters Of opinion, they would not
O. DO you, or do you not believe the doctrine of
to be repugnan to Scripture subver
sve Of the nature of sacrament and giving occasion to
superstition 7"
sIf you do not how can You en amino subscribe the
2sth Article Of our Standards ~
Mr. Carey preiaced his this question by read
lug an extract from Tayisrs Holy Living and Dying"
expressive OF his views which extract could not
by us be taken down and then briefly gave his
swer in the following words recorded by Dr. Anthem,
and acceded to by Mr.. Carey.
A. would answer, in general language. that do
not hold that doctrineo of ransubstantaton which sup
pose Article condemns; but that the same time
conceive myself liberty to confess ignorance on the
mode of the Presence"
Q5 DO you or do you not regard the denial of the
cup to the laty arrantable change in
OF Chriss own as to be regarded mere
matter Of discipline 7"
warrantable act OF discipline ]" Mr. Carey subsequently
preferrng to substitute the word severe instead Of
GO "On which Church do you believe the sin of
schsm rests in consequence the English Reformation
testant Episcopal Church of this country, upon the
Church Of Romep'
Dr. sessuTy objected to this question being put the
der advisement answered, at historical question:
Dr. Smith here appealed to the Bishop against this
sion Of the question: the grounds that this the
final examination test the meeness of the candidate
Deacon's Orders. and that this final examination
braced according TO the canon, among other points,
Church History Ecclesiastical Poy the Book OF Com.
Pray and the Constitution and Canons of the
Church. and which he is ordained the
examination the Ritual, the Articles and the Canons
evidently and necessarily referring 70 the historical ques
tons on their formation, changes, sc.
The Bishop having decided that the question ought to
be answered. Mr. Carey in substance replied that In
some respects schism rests both sides" "He consid
Christ"
o. "Is the R0mish doctrine Of purgatory in any
The Bishop here ssked DR.. Anthem what view he en-
tertaned the doctrine of Purgatory held by the
Church of Rome; to which Dr.. Anthem replied. q that
with due respect to the chair he not under exam
| nation" The question being then addressed TO Mr.
Carey he was understood to say, in reply he
sdered Standards condemnag the doctrine popu-
| lsrly held to be the Roman doctrine"
s. there any countenance given in the doctrinal
Standards of Church for the idea that the departed
be benefited by the PRAYERS Of the faithful or BY the
administration Of the Holy Communion And is rot that
| idea condemned by Article 81 Of rChurch ~
As far as Mr. Careys could be asccrtamed, it
to this effect that he supposed that idea not
in that Articles his opinion being the Ian
guage Of the Article was popular language pointed at
Rome"
in Pronouncing as she does the Books ApocryPhsi Holy
Al do not eitherto myself or any one els@ sttempt
to prove doctrine out of the Apochrypha" The Holy
Spirit may have spoken by the Apochrypha and the ho
mily asserts the sane thing The question here
newed and pressed in several different shapes by the
Bishop The elected by his last question was 10
the following effect "I would not faut the Church Of
Rome for reading the Apochryphs for proof o doctrine"
10, by Dr. Smith-Can there be DOUBT that in Sc
psrang from the Church Of Rome the Church of Eng.
land embraced pure and scriptura views OF doc.
rine And not the Protestant Episcopal Church in
this country at present, pure in doctrine than the
| Church of Rome
| A" There can be doubt, on the ground that the
Church of England retained doctrinsl errors viz the
doctrines of Pur'anism In some other points the Roman
missal preferable to our liturgy" Upon the question
put by the Bishop, what those points - Mr. Carey
understood by to instance, among other points,
held that in popular view, liturgy better than
theirs in emitting meaphy sca distinctions, and also In
/ being in tongue understood by the people.
Q.l-What construction do you put upon the promise
of conformity thS doctrines discipline, and worship of
| the Protestant Episcopal Church