The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-02-25
Trial OF Commander Mckenzie.


versaton between Cromwell and Spencer
Ain the dog watch. l don't know how long it was
Q-Cant you tell where abouts in the cruise it was or
If i was after the cruiser was chasing your
well Pm not sure but believe it was after We lett
Qwould have known the brig. finer bowsprit had
A-WeiI. don't know; suppose should.
Q-Do you think any one else would have known nerI
The PRrsIDErr made remarks about these questions
ADVOCATE said in reply to why you gentlemen don't
my object think this ives all quiz on the part OF
ssa.
might well talk Of Disgusting man by putting his cue
o~IfCromwen had told you he would ship the bowsprt
aft so as to carry the brig disguised into New York. would
yonInot have supposed he was laughing at your
o-when did you frst tell Of this conversation
AFTER we came home.
he was about to DIET
A-No, sir. .s
papers found in Mr.. spencer's locker7
A-There some talk, sir.
Dwell hearing this talk why did you not tell the Com
ander what you had heard about sg uisins the brgl
Al wasn't asked, sir.
@ by the PRESIDENT. When Cromwell said in reply to
Mr. Spcncers question: of How would you disguise the
brig7" that he would ship the bowspr a did you not
think that he said to turn it off joke because
ohicerc anne past there just at that timer
Q-Did Mr. Spencer appear to be seriOus'
wardroom after your return homer
A-No sir.
Q-what part of the brig were Spencer and Comwel in
at the time they had this Conversation
A-On the forecastle
QWas that Mr. srsncsrs station. wAen it his woteh
deck
Ayes, sir.
Q-Was it in his watch the conversation took placer
Al can't recolect sir.
Q-Although you may not remember who they were,
not others ofthe crew either with them by them,
at the time Of this talk you speak of
her nea
Q-Where ahouts
A-standing by the bowsprt bits, about six feet eff
them.
Q-Were you not further off than these persons'
A-Yes, SIR
e-Dd any laugh take place at cromwells answer
Q-when called into the ward room by Mr. Gansevoort
you told would be good thing for you to tell all
you know ?
Ayes, sir.
Odd you hear the Commander tell the crew of Mr..
spencers plan ofpracy going to the Isle Of Pines &C.
Q-what did he say7
Al could not hear sir; but heard him say Mr. spen.
X-No. heard him say that he intended to make the
small boys tUalk the plank. (The witness is of the
smallest of the boys.-[Reporter)
@. by Captain 0cDEs-Aas any inducement been offer
case CO. sGu A' "A'' NV ' VIC "''A A''u' 'A''
A-No, sir.
Ger and Cromwell, before your arrival?
A-Itotd a asked
Q-Were all the boys called into the ward room Z
Al believe not SIR
Q-Have you not heard others Of the old seamen be-
SIDES Cromwell the boys and wish them out Of the
A-Net as Iremember.
PRrsiprxr-He has not said that Cromwell did, has he7
JUDGE ADvocArE-Why. he has said that he heard him
say he'd put them the cathead and throw them nver
and think that's ont ofthe way.
Odd Cromwell ever fog you, or curse you7
BY Captain BoLroS-Have you ever entertained feel.
ings OF hostility against Mr. Spencer or Cromwell, or
A-No, sir.
The witness having retired Captain sloat made some
remark the Judge Advocate and the latter and said
in low voice, the table, could catch
his words, Why sir that is Mr. Norris, i,-iac Of Mr.
Spencer haze received Instructions from the Secretary
ohe Nary accept any ohich he may make
TO me. snd shall be happy TO receirs them"
Commodore Dowss-Well, sir, the court have nothing
to do with that.
JupeK ApvocArE-well, sir Pm not making any ad
dress the court Pm only answering question put to
HEsRY CoRNEr examined-Heard Small and Spencer
talking one day; Spencer asked how brig like this
carry On the day the main brace hauled
by Small was there with him. The officer of the deck
and Small as was hauling the officer said Delay
and the commander too let 60, Small kept hauling.
went the bits the order "belay" given loudly;
sat down the bits after had Delayed Small came
and sa. down also Only and Small were at the brace.
Cross-cxamined-Bei0re the order given to take
pull the BRACE Small pretty close to me, only
about two feet of did not see Cromw I'll there and am
sure he not there. ! did not see Van Norden.
Odd you any forward and tell Mr.. OIL
Perry that the commander wanted to see him aft
Q-wastherc much talk about TIE mast being carried
Ayes. considerable talk forward
By Captain SroRER-Was the main sky sail set when
the mast was carried away7
Ayes sir.
see the mast carried away. Why was you surprised!
A-Decause did not know how it was carried away,
and did not think the haul the brace had done it.
said Small did it, any further than said that he
was with me-
By Captain wrMAS-How fast was the brig going,
and how many points from the wind was she sailing
Al don know.
The President ssid the g-book would show that; but
the Judge Advocate reoned that he should like 10
got the Information from the witness. as it would have
tested his temper and disposition.
Odd you hear ster the any thing ofthe papers
found in Mr.. Spencer's locker7
A-No, sir, don't recollect After he was executed,
heard how they had found one in a razor case
plan of mutiny 7
A-No. sir.
Odd you hear any thing about people being sta
toned the wheel in the cabin the chest
Al don't recollect.
% US s 'as with
A-Heard Newall say something since we have been in
port
QAfer the execution and before your arrival in port
did you hear nothing about papers with strange cha.
iacters7
A-Heard a paper was found.
Odd you hear that it had geometrical figures
on it
A-Well, may-l don't recollect.
Q-Were you in the habit oftalking to Newal about
this mutny before you arrived z
Ave were not in the same watch and I only knew
him by sight
By Captain McKESziE-In fine weather of Sunday, it
was usual for the to be about the forecastle
Dwight not Cromwell have been sitting the for.
ward side OF the bits with Small pithou your seeing him
Al can't say. Small pulled with all his might.
Odd he then jerk after you told him the order was
| given TO Delay
A-No, sir.
Q-How long after you reached the bits, and had sat
| down, was II before the mast went 7
A-One or two minutes
Mr. DuER here rose and stated to the Court that owing
to previous engagements and the unexpected length
which these proceedings had extended to- he was COM
PEELED TO reinquish his in the defence He took
this opportunity of expressing his of the courtesy