Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1843-12-13
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,.

After the reading q" the Journal, long debate, arose on
proposition introduced by Mr. HAMLIN ct Me, tocA-
punge from the Journal the protest. submitted by the nm
Monty OF the House ON the irsI day OF the session The
disc was participated IN BY many members
MI WINTHROP OF Mas. thought the proposition
most extraordinary one Never before h. believed the
history OF the country had the Clerk te House been in
siructed as To the mode which the journal should lac
made up. IL precedent was 10 be carried ont t,
enecI Would he 10 oNe,trn every thing like regular order
at business. TIL" Constitution oi the IT, s. had given 10
minority ia" night OF having their opinions recorded on
the Journal a minority one.fh al the body under the
Constitution had this night, and one of which, the
majority could not deprive them. lie called Tor the yeas
and nays.
MIR. GILMER OF Va. objected 10 the manner in which
inc Protest had been put upon the Journal procc edings
Twas not To the corporation Of tbs Protest he objected
- I OF the proceedings, but he ready fairly
put there provided the majority could have their opinions in
eorIomcd IN like manner. The Protest could have effect
upon this House, hut gentlemen designed record trr
views Tor lhe lnormatlon OF pn-icy, they might do So
Mr. hAMl.lN (ihc mover Of the Resolution hoped IT
would bc adopted 10y the House. The Protest had no gbt
upon the Journal and the majority the House had right
To instruct the Clerk the Journal. II that the
COnsttuon{cq Journal al proceedings Ice kent
and that the Clerk was a sworn officer.
Mr.. BARNARD said the act Ut the House already was
one OF nuicaton and the proposition Of the member
hblnr was 10 pie one act ut nulhcauon upon another
he CLERK was under oath Ia keep Journal OF his proceed
ngs II lie was an independentna lie would not obey tl,
order Of this House nstncting him 10 violate his oath His
motion TO record the Protest-hs Introduction of il here
had become part Of the proceedings Aud what obec
lions could there be- he asked recording the journal =
III linking the acts Oi TIE House
Journal The yeas aud nays would be called the act.
OF the House must be in the Journal lie could NOT
see no" such proposition could Ice justly entertained for
moment.
Mr.. THOMPSON OF Miss. zone Of the members eIec,ed
10y general ticket said the effort put tie Protest upon
the Journal was nlSiy upon proceeding for it never
had become properly part Of thc proceeding In regard
To the froesth had no objections 10 its appearing the
Journal except as 1t reflected upon the rights those who
had given him his seat.
MIR HOLMES OF s. C. regarded the proposition of the
a. fsarip b,I
gentlemen in o maory would pause before they adopd
H. The precedent would be bad one and hc protested
against putting upon the Journal The next Congress
or the people might mistake their interests so far as to
lccta Wing Congress) might he Wing and then a new
rule might BE- enforced completely changing that which was
proposed 60 Toe adopted. Mr. IT, hoped the Drn,ocfatc
members would iorbear.
Mr. WELLER OF Ohio. moved the Previous Question
IN order TO get rid OF the subject
Mr. {. J. lNGERSOLL of Pcnna, moved to Law the
whole subject upon te table. ThiS moton had precedence
Mr.. BARNARD called Tor the yeas and nays-and lie
motion was lost. Ayes -, Noes %.
The question REQUIRED upon the Previous Question.
Mr. WISE, before II Withdrawn, commenced dcl,l.
ting the SUBJECT The Previous Question was withdrawn
aud he proceeded lie argued that there was no House Of,
h"huay' ana that the difficulty originated hero ia suppo.
sing there House.
Mr. BARNARD said the constitution required 'ihc
House OF Representative To choose Speaker" and there.
fore that there House on Monday.
Mr. WISE proceeded aud argued that in fact there wa,
no House until the members sworn m. The Touse
was no House according Nlr Wise when the member
llv" Nt" YIN hT baTnurd proposed 10 incorporate the
Protest upon the Journal.
Mr. Wise bfanched oil into the main argument connect,
cd with the members elected by general ticket lie argued
that the member from New Hampshire had a. GOOD an eyi
donce o hrs election e had and he ready and eager
To enter tie Lists 10 contest this principle with the gentleman
from New Yok lie respected the Broad Seal Of a sove
reign State, ond regarded the Of the gentleman from
York as pteludgng Ibis question.
Mr. DAVIS Of ny. replied to Mr.. Wise very briefly
lie rcstltd the history Of the question in the House end
The action OF the House upon IT, lie argued too that s
l.T rfrrrL from he L.
part Of tho Resolution OF the gentleman from New ork
md tho House could not Npunge IT, II IN violation Of
The rights Of member divide bis Resolution, putting part
upon tho journal and keeping part from was proposed
w The movements made ia the House.
MI CLlNGNAN oi &C. (a new membetl repltrd also
u NJ Wise ile argued that the gentleman IN relying NO
on ne evidence a tue " llamp hire ubers had right
~ their aca' relied upOn The evidence that was not good
There hnd been law IN " II Tor The election Of the mem,
c fact. and IN Court, olnw the House were bound 10
know n before admitting the momLsrs
MI WISE aud Mr ClINGMAN by way OF reply and
fetot hhd some little spuunP whsn the motion for the pf
vious Question renewed.
Tbs Speaker decided that The Previous Question cut Of
a amendments.
Mr. BARNARD'S proportions were rejected upon the
hrtproposton and upon the aecond snd upon both through
ue Previous OnesIon. The first proposition wa the mo
ton OF
Mr. GILMER to ruilc tie Protest from The Journal o,
Monday. The second was the motion or
Mr.. HAkALDSON ~ stuke the Prot, from Tuesday.
Journal The yeus and nays were called upon thu motion
and ~ wns cerricd IN me affirmative 81 nots ~
AHd 50 me House d,cidsd 10 efpupse ~ ss.oyds Of
Monday and Tsssisy'
Mr. CAMP BELL Of g. C. tl.p ,,s,.,t,5 q, -,s,l.,,,-