Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1843-12-16


soas ,Ls state Of the question
sfo.e-la which Mcasrs. THOMPSON, BARNARD, and
she SPEAKER. TOOK Pad aiding by the Speaker rcsia
81, BARNARD then called Tor the yeas and nays; which
accordingly ordered
The and then hkcn, and resulted ne toll
lo~ss yeas l2i, nays SO.
yEAs-Me-srs: Anderson, Atkinson, Bclscr, Benton,
Bidsck James Black James A. Black Blackwell, Booster
Rover Rowlin Boyd. J. Bnnkcrhoh, BroudheUd, \. v
brown, William J. Brown, Burke, Bun, Caldwell, Cary
Catiin, A. A. Chapman. ChuppeU, Chiffon Cobb, Coles
Cfo... Culom. Dana Daniel, John w DAVIS. Dean, Di
Bnvhan Douglass, Dromgool,. Duncan. Elmer, Faree,
Fickin Poster French Cilnrr, Byram Green, Hale, Ham,
lin Harris son. Hays IIcny, Hcnck, ioso, Hopkins, lou~
ton. Habard iubbcu Hughes, llungeroTd, James b. Hunt
Jameson, Cave johnson, Andrew johnson, George w.
Jones' kennedy, Preston hing, kirkpatrick, Lnbnnchc,
Leonard, Lucss, Lumpkin McCuuslen. Mcclellan, Nc
Clcrnand, Mcconnell. Mcdowell, Milky Mathews, Moor,
Joseph Morris, Murphy, Norris Owen Parmcntcr Pct t.
D. Potter Pratt, Purdy Rathbur, David ;. Reid, Rcdiug
Relic, Ritter Robnsou, Russell ST. John, Ssuudcrs,
Thomas II. seymour Simons, Simpson, Sldc, John /.
Smith Robert Smith, Stcenrod, Stetson. John Stewart
Sulo Sionr, Strong, Sykes Taylor Thompson Tbhatts
Weller. Wentworth. Wheaton. Williams, Wilkins, Wise,
woodward, Joseph A. Wright, and lost-l2i.
NAYS--Mcssrs. Adams, Ashc, BarringeT BarnarJ.
BeAsloy, Milton Brown. jeremiah Brown, Burlington. at
roll, Chiffon Cnsman. Co!lsmer CrSnon Garrett Davis
Richard d. DAVIS, Dcbouy, Dclct, Dccy. Dickinson, Fish,
Florence Foot, Frck GiddingS, Gnnnoi, Grdcr Hardin
Harper, Hudson. Washington Hunt L. J. ngerso. J. r.
Ingsssol lrn, Jcnks Peey b. Johnson, Daniel p. King
Mellysnc, Edward J. Morris Mosc!ey, Me- Newton. Pat
erson. Peyon, PhGnx. Ramsey Raynar, Roger, Sample
Sehrnek, Sen,cr, Severance. David L. Seymour, ALBEIT
Smith, Stephen, Andrew Stewart, Thomssson, Tiden,
Tyler, Vance. Nanmoier. Vnton, White, w nthroP, and
W. Wrighi--66.
The question then REQUIRED the resolution,
ded.
Mr.. HANILIN asked if il was not in order TO move
further amendment OF the resolution.
The Speaker replied IA the affirmative.
MI. HAMLlN Then moved the following addition 10 the
resolution
ResoIred. That the Clerk Of this House hereby dircc
ted in making up the journal OF proceedings Of tins day in
relation the protest DAEI D. BARNAsp and oihers not
the same At length ON the journal.
Mr.. THOMPSON said the protest appeared the Jour
nal OF Tuesday last and he wished the resolution
brace that also.
Mr. WINTHROP wished TO sSk ii there was single
precedent the whole history Congress for directing the
Clerk the tscharg Of ms dutcs As ne understood
H. the CLERK sworn by solemn oath 10 God 10 dis
charge his duties tins House. lie responsible Tor
tho Journal and after had been made up by him. and had
undergone the supervision Of the Speaker II IN order
for any member TO move amendment but 1t
known IN this or any other free eouny. that gentlemen
undertook the Clerk make up the Journal
corng 10 tcir will and pleasurei Ii this be iO
lowed out minority might II any future time, vote down
notion and afterwards II they desired conceal that pro-
ceeding they would have nothing do but instruct the
Cier. not To record the journal. Now him, this up
peaed 10 he mode OF rcsornP the expuugng pro
coss; IL was an cNpunging 10y anticipation.
II u were night c the mnorityand 1t cured o.
them by the Constitution Of the United Stnos-'o have
their motions entered the Journal when the yeas and
nays taken thereon. how could il be -t motion
made IN advance, that rsht and prevent that
matter being entered the journnl 1t did really appear
q him that the proposition o.: dangerous PR.
eedent He understood had been uniformly the 20
enter such th, journal. gentleman from Viz.
ginia The other duy mentioned instance in which
matter had gone the journal when the and
were called upon it; but his friend, the former speaker
Mr. WmTrl gave them abundant for the deviation
that and, therefore, the precisely
'gous Bat according all Other pTCcodents. which
had been acted upon by the House, either amaIiycy
negatively, II the yeas and nays taken thereon
entered at length the record yet motion made
day IA advance, instruc,ns the Clerk perform the
duty which, according parliamentary usages and pact
ees aud by his OATH no bound perform. He should
cl Tor the yeas and nays he motion OF the gentleman
ON Maine.
Mr.. GlLMER said the gentleman from New ork,
(hT. BaulaTd,l days since, made suggestion to
him, and he make suggestion in return L. the
gentleman from New York Ii seemed 10 him the House
was engaged in what might properly be termed least
useless business. lie MIR G. remarked, few days oso,
"heh ne had me honor o addressing tins House
enee TO another branch Ol hs proposition that certainly
II was matter OF conceivable moment, whether that
paper the precise form in which il was presented 10 the
House, read from the journal The only cons
deTauon which had had the slightest influence has mind
wss that he believed the paper had been Tad resuay
and had got the journal by indirect movement wiki
cut the sanction OF the House, and therefore that he
condemned H. Ii for anything in relation 10 the
paper ITSELF for he cared not whether spread
journal or not He should object its being recorded
on thu Journal If those gentlemen who ic an interest in
IT. desired that 1t should be recorded length
might go down 10 posic!iy argument in this pafic.
isr case; nos should be OBJECT, the gentlemen whose
seats were involved in the decision Of thu question should
prepare another paper, aud spread Journal So that
both sides might be transmitted 10 poslery Tor it, struc
ton or amusement but IN relation the present business
OF the House, he could how matter OF i'm
porance whether the paper recorded excluded; and
therefore ne would suggest TO the gentleman from " ork
10 Withdraw all these Indirect propositions and come d
recty 10 proposition 10 put this paper the journal and
for such proposition he Mr. O. would vote; for whatever
influence the protest might have poeTity it certainly
could nave no elect on t!s House
Mr. HAMLIN said il occurred &, him, that HI. ,,as ,,l
IN the course he had taken; aud the gentleman FROM Mesa
chuseis OR winthrop need be under alarm, ii
the majority should adopt resolution he hud submitted
IL ne understood the iaes IN this case and had paid
particular attention to them they were thus While th-
body was convened ~ tins hall, aud before House WIS
organized, the gentleman from New York Mr. Rog,J1
rose IN m place and presented convention before the
House was organized, ccrnin paper What were the con-
tents oil that paper, they had this time any
before hem but subsequent day. the same geneui,n
rose IN hrs place, and proposed amend the journal Of this
House; and offered paper, which he said the paper
winch he offered the oay preceding but which was never
read TO tue House II he understood the ruling of th
ign' IN ihs matter was, na oil papers which were pre-.
scented for the action Of this House. and entertained by the
House, have according e precedens been spread al
sE on tue journal when TIE yeas and nsy ordered
thereon
il mad been said land one had atsnp,ed &, dcnv NJ
hat mere was no evidence that tie paper which the gentle
mah had offered Monday, tho paper which he offer
ed Tuesday. lie was Of cours, willing N toke ,,,-
geneman's word regard o. : bat he was speokjpr OF
We evidence which, as legislative BODY they should Il
qnife What was tie tendency Of such cuur-e as this
hey were to have spead upon the journals by an ind
rect method thar which the House would not receive when
ohered directly, what would be the consequence3 WIN
member might rise IN his place with propositions ma
matter how absurd might b. II lie could only find one
nun o. i1o members OF that House willing 70 Join hun ia
calling Tor the yeas and nays, the proposition would b.
spread ai length upon the Journal lie objected tins
mode Of proceeding altogether.
Inc record OF the proceedings i hs House was not do,
record Of ihe Clerk. lie sworn oiieor Of t. lous,
was Iue ou' ue House itself was bound 70 keep Ie
cord Of 10 proceedings. Was IL competent tl,en , n,
sworn Cerk TO enter upon the journal Of the House a
winch majority Of the House had decided 10 object The
t1etr E.Ir
clerk Tie was Of opinion therefore, tI,f IN an tr.rc,
pending before the House and i1 which msio, rad d..
emaed hat Paper should not 10 upon c t1urna, Their,
should be afuio directing the c'rk tho House 10 omit q.
length such paper il would, Of course be necessary m
Toe statement Of the proceedings should be- sufficiently d.
senPhVe OF the paper 20 make % ineligible lie was la G
sot o. entering upon The journals oil that the House actin,
a'a DO but not what b. did not do. Ho was in lyr, ~
masking he Journal u tue House show ihc whole action OF
me bouy' ana NO more but he n favor Of perst
ug ePapr :" DO placed upon the Journals which major,
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