The daily Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1841-1845, 1843-12-11

Journal TO 20 down 10 posierity the record Of n
country, and to this end 1t has been his sm to
psh that which the gentlemsa FROM Virginia wishes
aud that was, 10 record The Protest IL the mod
10 which he Objects and not to the principle lie sal
solemn law OF Congress had been nulli6ed but III
trainers Of the Constitution knew that minorities ha
rights and the oath Of the Clerk compelled him
cord the Protest. il being part Of the Journal an,
why should gentlemen b. so tenacious upon this sub
jecti Let the Protest stand where il Is upon Ia,
Journal. twill be nothing than the history o
the transaction precedent for those who arc I.
come after He did not wish 10 disturb the organ
ization OF the House, had been alleged but merely
| to vindicate solemn law which had been enacted
The motion Of the gentleman from Maine would fal
sy the Journal il it should be adopted and he hopet
he would Withdraw it.
Mr.. THOMPSON, Of Mississippi said he was sur
prised at the perseverance, Of the gentleman from
New York, (Mr. Barnard, in eDdeavoring to forcs
this paper upon the Journal As for soundness Of ar
gumsnt it would not illume the path Of poserity be-
cause II was false in its conception 1t would Devil
der posterity from the absurdy Of its doctrines. liz
said member might move that the New Testament
be spread upon the Journal but it would not GO, there
unless the yeas and nays were ordered. He said he
cared not fig for the paper, but to the pre-.
cedent il would set in the future legislation
of the country. He spoke earnestly and elo.
quently in vindication of the State which be had
the honor to represent and earnestly insisted that he
had committed no fraud in voting for Speaker.
Mr.. HOLMES, Of South Carolina, rose and said
that he would warn the majority not TO place them.
selves in the dilemma which the amendment Of the
gentleman from Maine (Mr. HambIin) would place
them in, il adoptedthat of expungng from the Jour-
nal in anticipation He hoped magnanimous ma
ority would not place themselves in this dilemma.
Mr.. WELLER rose with view to terminate the
debate, and moved the previous question.
Mr.. G. J. INGERSOLL said, to remedy all diff.
Guilty he moved to lay the whole subject upon the
table.
Mr.. BARNARD demanded the yeas and nays.
Mr.. COBB, of Georgia, rose and inquired of the
Chair what would be the consequence if the motion
was adopledl
The CHAIR replied the whole subject would be
laid upon the table.
Mr. COBB inquired if the motion was adopted
would the Protest remain upon the Journal'
The CHAIR replied in the Affirmative.
Of Mr.. c. J. INGERsoLL, to lay the whole subject
upon the table, and the folowingis the result-yeas
SO, nays 95.
So the motion to lay on the table was lost.
The previous question was. renewed by Mr.. VEL
LER.
MIR. DROMGOOLE hoped the gentleman would
withdraw the previous question, because it would
not meet the case and it was withdrawn
Mr.WISE hoped that the resolution would be so mo-
ded so as to make il appear that when the question
was raised by Mr.. Barnard the members of the House
had not been sworn. He did not read paper to the
House, but to body which had not been organized
so that he might vote understandngly.
Mr.. BARNARD here made an EXPLANATION.
MIR. WISE continued, that it was a House organ
lied to elect Speaker, but not to decide upon the
constitutional qualifications of members. The gen.
tleman's Protest was as harmless as "Unclc Toby's
hy."
message from the Senate informing the House
they had agreed to the joint resolution in relation 10
The election of Chaplain, and lad chosen one ON
their par,,' &C., Sci
Mr.. WISE continued and in in the course Of his
remarks read the certificate of the election of mem
Der from New Hampshire Mr.. Hale,) and called the
attention Of Mr. Barnard TO the broad seal of the State
Of New Hampshir with force and eloquence cha
racterisc Of his well stored mind, having pcrfsc,
understanding of the subject be was discussing lie
objected to the proceeding Of the member from New
York, from The Irregular manner in which he brough
the subject forward and forced his Protest upon III.
Journal in the ini,iatory formation oflhe House, md
foie il had been constuonaIly organized. This We,
the ground fhis objection. He believed the Congres.
of the u States had the power TO appoint the time
place, and manner Of holding the elections but in
this case it had not done so il merely required the
States TO do that which Congress had not done. He
came into public life opposed to the odious doctrine
Of Notification, which he abborred. But why pres.
this question al this time, affecting the political right,
of a sovereign State Of this Union Why not refer i
to the Committee Of Elections, and bring the subcc
fairly before the House, II So he would scrutiniz.
closely the principles involved in this controversy
but he did not the cssy to tie any Thing q
its toll 10 make this noise"
MIR. GARRETT DAVIS requested Mr. Weller 4,
withdraw the previous question, which was don,
with the understanding that he would renew IT,
Mr.. DAVIS said to this process of expungn,
from the Journal he was opposed. He said the gen
tlcman from New York, Mr.. Barnard, had offered .
resolution, which carried his Protest upon the Jour
hal
Mr.. THOMPSON, Of Mississippi, rose and ex
planned to Mr. Davis the question it legi,imatel,
stood.
Mr. DAVIS commended that the course pursued b,
the majority was the very Of the proposition
OF Mr. Bernard and denied that il required the yea
and pays 10 get IL upop the JourpaI ub at III .lo..
Of his remarks, demanded the previous question.
Mr.. WELLER again waived his motion; and
Mr.. CLINGMAN proceeded to answer the re
marks Of MIR. Wise, and sc'd there was no law il
New Hampshire to authorize an election.
Mr.. WISE, doyou know that TO be a fact
lie did; Mr.. Wise disscnted by nod of IN. h, adj.