Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1843-12-14

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i Mr. BARNARD called up the diminished business
bsing the several pending questions I'D relation 10 the
Journal
The resolution of MIR. Frick was not received.
! Mr. ylNToN (t,king the f'or und'r courtesy rose
and asked ave II be excused from serving % mem
Der of the Conmlttas on Elections
The question WAS taken, aad Mr.. Vinl'n was f1-
eusfd. n
a messaoe. in writing, was received from the Prasl
den, Of The United Stes by The hands oi John IJlef'
ir, ESQ his Pr,vat- Secretary
MIR. c. J INGERsoLL asked leave to offer a resO-
Luton referring the Commute on Naval Afars'
when that committee shall have been appointed the
subject Of claims tor TIMBER ahd etiei suPPieu
And Mr.: WELLER asked leave to offer resolution
referring 10 The appropriate committee the unfinished
business of the last Congress
! Rnt Mr. BARNARD directing 10 these re. olutions
as Interfering with the regular order OF business on
which lie was anxious that the House should come -
a DECISION the resolutions we're not received.
The SPEAKER resumed the char
! Mr. THOMPSON, of Mss made some enquiry oil
the Chair in relation TO the true aspect OF the question
before the House. and into explanation of what
| he conceived TO be the trne question
The SPEAKER decided that the true question before
the House was the motion of Mr. Barnard as amended
by Mr.. Gilmer
he was perfectly content to take his decision the
question before the House.
The SPEAK Err here give his opinion at large as 10
the true question before the House.
| Mr. BARNARD called for the yeas and nays on the
amendment of Mr. Gilmer and the following IL the
sult-yeas l2l, nays G1
| So the amendment was agreed to.
The question recurring upon the resolution as
amended
motion was made by Mr.. HAMBLlN TO amend the
| resolution bv offering substitute.
Mr. THOMPSON made inquiry OF the Chair as
to what would be The effect of this amendment
| Mr. WINTHROP said this a kind of expunglng
process in anticipation he spoke at great length in
oonosition to such course, being bad precedent,
frauqht with danger and called for The yeas and nays,
which were not ordered.
Mr. GILMER said he believed the House was en-
rared in useless business. He believed the paper
was read iregulary, and placed upon the journal IN
that manner To which he did object But if the gen.
lleman from New York wished the record OF his pro-
test that might go down TO postarty, the course Tor
him t, pursue would be 10 bring 1t forward IN direct
manner and then he would vote for il; but TO this IN
direct proceeding he did object.
Mr. HAMBLlN spoke against the mot on OF Mr.
Barnard, as amended by Mr.. G'mer, and in favor oil
his amendment denying the right of the protest to be
recorded the Journal because vt was irregular, ano
the mere private opinions OF gentlemen to which ne
did object becoming part and parcel OF the Journal
of ts House. which record of its proceedings, and
not of the private opinions of gentlemen which had not
been received here he offered his amendment TO bring
the question To direct test
Mr. BARNARD said he would be glad 10 crafty
the gentl.man from Virginia, Mr.. Gmer; but he
could not He snid the gentleman was oil the opinion,
that the Protes, found its way upon the Journal in
irregular manner but it found lis way upon the record
notion distinct in its character, to amend the Jour
nal
Mr. GlLMER rose, and made an explanation, and
SAID he could not have voted hr1tivey upon his pro-
position, because he believed there was no error IN the
Journal from the fact, that his Protest had not been
received by the House, and suggested the course which
he he'd pointed out relieve The House from its en-
harassed position, and bring the subject directly be-
fore The House
| Mr. BARNARD rejoned, and said he wished the
Journal to 90 down TO poslerty as the record of the
country, and to THIS end has been his aim to accom-
plIsh that which the gentleman from Virginia wished,
and that was record the Protest but 10 The mode
10 which he objects, and not 10 the principle. lie SAID,
a solemn law of Congress had been nullfed bnt TIL
trainers of the Const tuition knew that mnoriies had
tights and The oath of the Clerk compelled him 10 re-
cord the Protest, it being part OF the Journal, and
why should gentlemen be tenacious upon this sub
iect Let the Protest stand where is upon the Jour
nal. 1t will be nothing more than the history of the
transaction as precedent, for those who to come
after u.s. He did not wish 10 disturb the organization
Of the House, had been alleged but merely TO vnd
cate solemn law which had been enacted. The mo-
ton of the gentleman from Maine, would fusly the
Journal if it should be adopted and he hoped he would
Withdraw it.
Mr. THOMPSON, of Mississippi, said he was sur
prised at the perseverance, of the gentleman from New
York (r Barnard in endenvoring To force this paper
upon the Journal. As for soundness of argument it
would not ume the path of postarity, because it was
false in its conception, ii would bewilder posierliy
from the absurGy Of is doctrines. He SAID member
might move that the New Testament be spread upon
the Journal but it would get there unless the yeas
and nays were ordered lie said he cared mol fig for
the paper bu, to the precedent il would set in the future
legislation Of the country. He spoke earnestly and
eoquen,ly in vndcation Of the Stlle which he had the
1 4 tI.t I,ad
committed no fraud in voting for a Speaker.
| Mr. HOLMES Of South Carolina, and said that
he would the majority not II place themselves in
the dilemma which the amendment Of the gentleman
from Maine, (Mr. HumbnO would place them in, il
adopted of xpungiug from the Journal in ant,ci
patton. He hoped magnanimous majority would not
place thamss Ives in this dilemma.
! Mr.. WELLER rose With a view 10 terminate the
debate, and moved tho previous question.
Mr. C. J. INGERSOLL sald 10 remedy all difficulty
he moved to lay the VIII Ne subject upon the table.
Mr.. BARNARD demanded The yeas and nays.
Mr.. COBB, of Ga , rose and inquired of the Chair
what would be the consequence If the motion was
adopted
The CHAIR replied the whole subject would be laid
| upon the table.
Mr.. COBB inquired if the motion was adopted, would
the Protest remain upon the journal:
The CHAIR replied in the Affirmative
The Clerk proceeded to call the roll on the motion oil
Mr.. G. J. lngersoll, to lay the whole subject upon
the table, and the following is the resuI,-yeas So
nays %.
So the motion to lay on the table was lost
The previous question was renewed by Mr.. VEL
| LER.
NJ. DROMGoOLE hoped the gentleman would
withdraw the previous question, because it would not
meet tho casr; and it was withdrawn.
/ Mr.. WISE hoped that the resolution would be so
modified, as to make it appear that, when the ques-
ton raised by Mr. Barnard, the members of the
House had not been sworn He did not read paper 10
the House. but 10 body which had not bee oraanzed
so that he might vote unders,andingly.
| Mr.. BARNARD here made an explanation.
Mr.. WISE continued, that it House organized
TO elect Speaker but decide upon the conslitu
tona qualifications Of me mbers. The gentleman pro-
test was as harmless as "Unce Toby's fly
IA message from the Senate, informing the House
they hadagreed TO the joint resolution in relation t, the
election oil Chaplain, and had chosen one on their
part, Ne, Nc
MIR. WISE continued, and in the course of his re-
marks read the certificate of he election Of member
from New Hampshire (Al- Hl'e,) and called the alien
ton Of Mr. Barnard to the broad seal OF the State Of
New Hampshire, with force and eloquence charac-
testic Of his well stored mind, having pc rfect
derstandinp of the subject he was dscnssinu He