The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-11-24
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he SAID had better 60 10 the Tanks ,oud lnr.
chase Wig ana other DISCUSSES aer his leiton
could New Ork the :; ten iou him that
unless he able TO initiate the signatures better
should be able TO do it at such ShoI LIE
should be abe initiate them in shoIt II he MADE
up his mind he SAID could take laasbe in the
estern; sad If not satisfied OF the imitation OF
OF II long enough; lie offered to lend me trunk any
other things / wanted this was week or ten
cancelled checks so that he Could initiate the sig
natures; have frequently seen him practising IN
imitation of the names OF the checks IN MAIDEN
Lane and occasionally IN Cana street There was no one
present except the vile OF hagg she was aware OF what
going and sometimes joined In our conse vatiohs
cannot say positively no hist suggested the iorgeiies;
cannot call 1t to my recollection; was when we"eie
boarding Maiden Lane; he often talked oil obbng banks
robbcries in the employ oi Austen, liner.
ding Coz sometimes made depoSites or the hrm and
sometimes drew money have had from hye to titeen
thousand dollars IN possession at one nej Iagieea
the plan OF hagge ana used to meet nearly every even
ing III the farh obtained some new canceiied CHECKS
anu he made other limitations when he showed them 10
used to look at the signatures by lamp hight and
the store lights some them condemned they
dGstroycd the night before the checks were presented
met HIM and ga, him the amounts IN the several links
On the morning oil the 3lst gave HIM anumber ochechs
could not ascertain the balance IN the Bank OF Amer
Bank Of Commerce. told him we had better oiaw
s. 800 Tor each tore the checks IRON the back oil the
check boeks-imet him on that morning. at o'clock in
the Exchange; he showed mewo checks that nc hiied up
each bank picked out the best done ana threw Tue
others away; went up Water street " the seventh
mad sss 20 U"y 1 cheek bu, the cashier
said something to him and he paid IT was Tor
$4,000; he told not TO say any thlhS III WE got
round the corner-he then said give ne halt OF Tie
money gave to him and told him to go in the Bowe.
cry and reueem my mothers rng hat had Deeh pedsea
by my father went to the office OF the Great est.
and took passage for Engand IN the name oil VIM H.
aylor OF ONO ana paid Tor III then purchased trunk
pair OF slippers and pa small shoemaking bl
put articles IN the trunk then returned 10 hsnoNor
street where met hagge by agreement when ~as mace
left at the Se' entn ard Bank; he agreed 10 re-
main i'll the Exchange until drew the remaining nine
checks the all street banks he told me not 70 ad
dress him back, but he would follow me out
the money IRON them in about fifteen minutes he
sitting one OF the sofas when went into the OK
change follow ed out and we went to the staircase
near the top OF the exchange and divided the money
gave him Sl225O and $1,000 to give to my iaher then
went Prime, ard hing's to purchase bank oil Eng
land notes. and asked them If hey could daw or the
desired; told them it was Tor Mt bono; they
could accommodate me; then went In all Aues' 10
get Bank of England notes and Lngish gold ana got
about s3OU; then went into Nassau street, near 'e tu
House, and met haggc; he SAID had better give nm
the money he would cnange 1t and bring 1t 10 me;
gave all the American money; then went 10 Obtain
bag gold that had lett to be counted ana geung thar
carriage got my trunk; paid my boar bili took
another and then drove to the dock oil the Great
estern, when she had just lett then engaged post
and Fulton street, when saw the western
turning the Battery and gave up the chase men wsht
to my fathers and from thence to grocery store at the
anal and Church streets to wait Tor kagge
called for couple OF glasses OF port vine renamed
there until kagge outhe advised me to go to the
Pro idence boathe did not accompany me TO TIE Great
Westen-he afterwards told me that he had gone win
cab to the Great and how; was disaIpoint
ed we went down Church togeher we then cross
cd to est street and called carriage, drove TO The
Pro deuce boat and she just going out oil the slip
returned up vest street and met kagge coming down
got carriage, walked about there io some
neen minutes he enqiI cd about the Albany boats He
then advised 20 up in the Albany boats ana
could Boston in time TO escape ny me M
hernia the next day left in the evening boat for Albany
hut did not arrive until the evening after the
Hbena had Left then took passage IN he LOO hoo 'o
New Orleans where was arrested ny sr of peen
spectacles; Mr. lmerding at Boston TIE SATURDAY
| Cross.examned by Mr. GRAHAM Il shall be u on the
the nth of December next, have been in prison since
the time b. ought from Boston; on onday last
hrsfa rsed of m
was first conversed with upon the subject by Mr. viii
sa he would use his influence to get me clear he said be
| wished to put the saddle on the right horse
QuEsroN-W hat did he say he intended to do with the
Asswrn-He said he would send him to Sing Sing J
| believe Qaughter) had a conversation with Mr. vii.
| merding the day that / examined here at
| the police. 1t before | was examined;
he held pretty much the same inducements to get IRE
clear before il would become witness; Mir Austen
was present in conversation with Mr. Wiineidlng IN
my CELL but he took part in it Mr. Austen told me he
best could pursue was to tell the whole truth;
this while the examination was going on had re-
fused answer and the clerk stepped out and called him
in he then made the remark but held out promises to
me; this was on Wednesday; Mr. Wilmerding SAID that
the prosecution had refused to make states evidence OF
me- he said he had done all he could have had CONVEX
with my lawyer MIR Warner relative to my being
used Witness he advised me to plead guilty. be said
make witness Of me- this about three weeks ago; II
before the commencement OF the present term oil this
this could be done Mr. Warner told tina. he had been
present at a conversation between Mr. Edmonds and Mr.
i
sent to the House Of Refuge and Edmonds said could.
Q-Did he say how you could old the law relative
persons not beinS sent over 10
| A-No, he did not.
RrcorprRThat is not the law-the court cannot send
B but the inspectors OF the state prison could send
EpMoyps-Yes can send him there if under IL.
CiR.HAM-It is well that the counsel has that power az
inspector.
after saw Mr.. wilmerdng in Boson the ,oiy told at
the police Office here intended to he the whole truth re-
ave to this natter the time he first commenced talking
about robbng the banks was when Monroe was
arrested; he first suggested the iorgeres after this
Q-Who first suggested the plan OF the iorgeries on
Austen, wilmerding < Co 7
Al do not remember prec sely but think was tho
first to suggest it, said how much easier would beto
obtain in aarge sum by forgeres than by robbery
believe the names of Austen, Wilmerding co were
mentioned at this time shortly aher remember that
he favorable to the scheme-he scheme was that he
should forge the signatures and I'LL up the checks His
wife sometimes present at these conversations
sometimes took the specimens that he had written to my
room night when met him in the Park, and examined
them sometimes looked at them by the light oil the win
the of the streets The first and only time
that furnished Ragge with cancelled checks was before
he boarding in Maiden lane then gave him bundle
which had taken from the counting house desk They
were kept By him in this box, at his house gave him
Ga $50 or about sum, exclusive of the $4,000 gave
By Mr. Parcr-was Mrs Ragge acquainted with your
design Of forging the checks at the time they were forged
Mr. PRcy here asked him TO read part his testimony
aiken before the police in which he said that he wished
ne tell his WIFE after they had made up their minds
WIVES read IT, and explained il by saying that Rsgge
him So because he said his wife would laugh at us
lie said that Mrs Raggc present Afterwards In canal
street a a versation relative 10 the forgeries
Directresumed i told Mr.. Wilmerdng, when he was
in Boston, that had left the money with Ragge.
| JoHS r. TvG, rBERr called Know Mr. Pagge; he
called about year AGO with letter Of introdnc-
ion; he called in the uonth of January last with
etter of credit for 500 which he said the Dutch Consul
had refused to honor. advanced him S25 Afterwards
he person who had given him the letter OF credit for
| twenty pounds called on and gave Pagge The ba-
lance He called on me- again in March June July and
| August and ! gave him altogether in small sums gao
lie often represented himself as in much Dced Of funds
The las, advance the eth Of September gave him
| SIS; he wrote a letter.
t;RAuAM Let ms see the letter.
Witness produced The letter, which dated Sept It'll.