Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1843-12-16

against the admit ng to seats he House OF Repre-
sentaves, the members from the States o. New HAM.
shire, Georgia, Mississippi and Missouri
Nr DROMGOOLE rose 10 object t, the reception Of
The proposition OF the nleman from Ne- York IL
would be seen that At wos m attempt TO spread The
journal what the House, over and over again had re-
fused to insert there. II was per Sc dsrespec,fu to
the House. He did not charge the mover of it with
any intention TO be disepcc,iu but The paper itself
was asrespectiul under the circumstances and hence
h' objected TO s reception by the House.
Mr.. BARNARD SAID he was fully prepared for sucl,
a movement as that which now made BY the GER
tieman from Virginia It I'D not at all surprise him.
though he confessed he panied by He was only
surprised that such movement had not been mad,
when he first offered his resolution to amend the ionr
ma, 50 that the majority might have suppressed
whole matter al once This was motion 10 amend the
journal Of the House; and it attempt 10 amend
the journal ofyeserday, and not of any preceding Gay
1t motion which he insisted was perfectly res.
pectiu IN lis terms, nasmuch, it simply proposed Ia
amend the journal, so that should sats n question
which was taken yesterday by yeas and nays IN such
manner ss that it would be ntelg,ble; whereas a.
the journal now stands, that question altogether
unntellgible. IL that was not q respecul uo,on lie
did not know what was.
Mr. DROMGOOLE remarked that he had not ac
cused the gentleman from New York with being d,si
rons TO be disrespectfu he had separated the individual
from the paper itself
Mr. BARNARD said the gentleman from Virginia
could not have forgotten the debate of Yesterday on tins
subject. lie knew there was n difference Of onin,ou
between them, but he (Mr B J stood upon the Constr
tuition; and he insisted, that neither himself nor his
proposition was dsrespecu 10 the House or 10 any
portion of IT; for The Constitution gave to him, as 4
member Of the minority Of the House. the right 10 put
that paper On the journal of the House.
lie had no disposition 10 trouble the House with this
matter any longer, by getting further pro,racted
deba'e he was willing ID submit the matter 10 the
House. lie had learned that the Journal as it stood
was unnellIgb,e for the journal of Tuesday did not
record truly the proceedings Of the House on that day
mot the slightest notice being taken of thing III
his resolution beyond that part which appeared The
journal 1t was no, stated in the journal that he Offered
any protest Whatever, and therefore there was nothing
to refer to- 10 make the journal ineligible and what
he INSISTED upon, was simply this: that when member
IN his seat presents resolution To the House. when
that resolution was received by This body, when ii
entetaned and discussed, and voted upon, was the
right OF the minority 10 call for i,s record on the our
nal; and it was the first time in the legislative HISTORY
OF the country that it had been refused.
1t he, (Nlr Barnard,) offer resolution 10
this body, drawn up in his wav, upon any sub;cc,
whaleveI-upon the Tariff, the Currency Internal I'm
provement, or any thing else-and that resolution
should be received By The House. discussed and voted
upon, would ever enter into the head of any man 10
suppose that the Journal o: the House would bear true
testimony of the transaction, by stating the substance
OF the resolution instead Of the resolution Itself? He
would venture 10 say, that example was not TO be
found in the records Of legislation where written
resolution had been offered, received and voted upon
by Legislative body, and entered upon the Journal by
a mere statement of its contents, toad Of being
placed there al length Yet this was what the House
now proposed 20 do and this he objected TO- as beng
most dangerous precedent, and as ber violation or
the Constitution ITSELF innsmuch, il was provided BIZ
the Constitution, that one-filth of the members of The
House should have the power of demanding a record
of the yeas and nays upon any question
But he had not the slightest disposition 10 press this
m on 1 ne HS"ss was PGfpa,ef 70 gsRas Of @
was meant by reception in lis ordinary application:-
If member Of the House should rise in his place aad
offer paper that offensive. II would be
member of that 5o5y should rise in his place and pre-
sent resolution for the consideration Of the House,
which, on hearing it read, members might think OBJ
iectionable, being likely to throw the House MO
confusion, ii would be very proper 10 meet such re-
solution with question as 10 It's reception. But here
was simple proposition to amend The journals oil the
llou.e-a propoeition he contended, IN way dlsIe
spectfu to the House; and this proposition was met
by question Of reception. he repeated II majority
OF the House ready to dispose oil the matter npon
n question of reception he was perfectly conteut--
He did not to press the matter, he had sad
before. II the House 10 admit the reScU-
tion lie did not desire TO say word more about ~
he wanted merely 10 give the House more op-
portuniiy 10 accord t, the minority :heir constitutional
rights, That his object, and lis sole object; and
in calling for the reading ol The Iorrnal as he bad
DONE he desired TO exhibit TO the House lis INITIATED
condition
Mr. DROMGOOLE said, in order that gentlemen
who seemed desons If recording the yeas and rays
might have an opportunity Of dong SO, he wonld coil
for the yeas and nays upon this very notion tie had
made tlis question: because IL did regard 1t disc
spectul to the House, for any member II attempt I"
put upon the records ofhe House paper, while 1t bad
been decided by the House and over ngain, hat
il was nprcper for there. lie repeated, IL
disespcctul 10 the House; bat lie acquitted The
Of any intention TO offer dsrcspect The gentleman
now discoimed oil intention to press the matter, though
for than week past, he had been most persever-
nr his attempts force the paper upon the journals
OF the House.
He had voted yesterday, and he would continue 50 10
vote unit dooms lay, landing the clamor which
gentlemen making; and 10 pTo s. against the doc
rne that the minority should govern, and that IL"
House had right to instruct their Clerk in the per.
Torrance OF his duty. TIE Clerk bat the agent Of
the House in making up the ourna which the House
bound 10 keep.
But there was another ground upon which he rested
an objection: he objected, no. only because was DIS
specnl to the House, but because 1t violation
of the Consltut on which Tie gentleman proessed so
much 10 yenerae. IL had been decided, both IN that
House aud in the Senate, that no member or set cf
members have the right 10 spread paper upon the
journals contrary 10 the will of the ma o.tya de-
cison which hal at first struck him MS being nfrc-
per but reflection had convinced him TIA. 1t wa.
| salutiy a0d proper. They had heard great G2a.
about The trainers of the Constitution knowing what
| they were abont. He believed they did know very
well the full effect and meaning Of that instrument
bat from what he had heard trcm gentlemen in that
| House he was very much inclined 10 doubt whe-
Their those who succeeded the trainers of the Constu
lion knew what their meaning ard intention was. lie
recol!ected being al The other end of the CAPITOL when
debate was gong upon motion to expunge; and
Senator Zone who was held IN very great venerauoa
by the gentleman from New York, and to whom tse
term "eodke' was sometimes appled.l stated IN hls
place that h desired to read paper for the nioEma
lion of the Senate, in regard 10 he sentiments OF han
self and his colleagues apon certain question, ina
much as he could not CHAIN permission u place n
upon the journals; and no further attempt was made by
sthe eotikc u force the paper upon the journal -
s! This was The course which he would recommend 10
the gentleman from New York, WHO ~as 50 perse.
ycrinr in his efforts accomplish hs darling object Of
placing upon the Journal Of HE House p:oles igned
by himself and for,y-nn other members.
lie had no SORT Of objection that The protest should
be put upoa The journal, IN the newspapers, or any
where else Ii he had exer!ed all the lille power o.
ingenuity which lie possessed TO catch h;s adversafie
in an una goablc pos ton before the public he cot
never hav. devised better, Than the gentlemen had
themselves chalsed out What had they done /; They
had come there and attempted, under The prei'St CT
amending II, Journal, TO spread upon It protest, con-
tary 10 he decision Of both branches Of Congress
And they had moeoSer, taken upon themselves % de
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