The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1843-01-04


have sation with me- but his mind not
then in proper state to talk about il asked him il he
would send for me when he felt disposed to and
he promised to send for morning about o'clock
went to him and asked if he ready to make any
municaton to me he commenced conversation by saying
that he had this plot board Of every vessel he had
been In that in the John Adams and the Potomac
he said that he knew would get him into difficulty that
he had tried break himself Of it. but il impossible
It was mania with him !" think he wished me to mem
ton it to the commander; at this moment sir, do not
recollect any thing more.
Odd you mention il to the commander
Al did so, but am not positive how soon after.
Q-By JupcE ApvooArn.-Was there any change in
the conduct OF the men after the execution
A-There was sir think that the orders were obeyed
with more aacrity and there not so much uenness
in the manner of some ofthe men. -,
QYou stated that at the time of the arrest OF Cromwell
you had recolected many things which excited your at
tention. When was that
AT Madeira, when myself, Midshipman Spencer
and - were the only Officers on board. There
was good deal Of work getting in water Cromwell
erumbei good deal heard him, myself say, 1t
id hard duty" for which expression reprovea him
at the time He did not appear to assist cheerfuy in car
ryng out my orders He would repeat my orders while
standing in the forecase, without making any effort to
see them executed At another time before arrived,
think was between MADEIRA and Cape Megarado, OBJ
served an absent manner about Cromwell; he sitting
near the forecastle in the forescue called to him two
or three times think to pass the bags down his manner
was disrespectfu he merely pped the bags down but
let his own bag remsn, as saw it on deck afterwards
He would often fly into violent fits of rage at small
matters. He would also most blasphemous language
towards the boys. remember when hauling down
that ib and stay and the id fool that invented them
He knew that the had caused to be so fitted
as had told him of it before. When reproved him for
that and other offences his suy and sullen
Many other similar instances occurred The change of
mans manner on board ship very easily observed
could not however race to any until the muny
was discovered when my mind at reverted to Crom
wes previous conduct and manners and many instances
of his sullenness.
Q.-was there any change observable in any of the
others-if SO, where and what
Al observed this man. Small, and the steerage
cook, jallin frequently talking together in Span
ish, which | do not understand; careessness on the
part Of Small in doing his duty Something occurred to
the mantop gallant SAIL sheet carried away, and the
yard was slowed downs at the same time the Commander
ordered me to shift the op,gaan Small and
duy they ordered to bring the sail fresh to the
yard; they avery long time about it, and had to
done in sovenly manner that was obliged to do
all over again. rhe manner of all OF these men, with
the exception OF Godfrey was inclined to be suen
place previous to the revelation of the plot
A.-The men were slack; noticed it, and had to go
among them to drive them to their work Before We got
to Madeira, all went very well; but afterwards it
quite different thousand instances of carelessness in
small matters continually occurring.
Q-How far at the time of the execution, were you
from st. Thomas
Alive or six hundred miles; but Pm not positive.
More than days sail at any rate.
Q.-Can you mention any conversations you had with
King and Dickson further than those you related al
ready
A.-Icannot.
Q.-what induced you to think that there was any
AThe persons who brought the meals to the prison.
ers Mckee Mckinley Green Godeman and Sullivan, and
some others whose names do not recollect saw looks
passing from Mr. Spencer and MCKEE at quarters and also
Mckinley Mr. Wales reported to morning that Mr.
Spencer exercising his hands upon battle axe ap
could not tell posveIv @ lei went on IN deck and
saw him with his hands on the axe and apparently try
ing what use he could make of while his irons on;
Wilson's conceament of the knife mentioned to me by
King; don't now recollect any other circumstance
Coon you mention any other fact which led you to
A--Wales told me that Mckinley had been trying to
take handspike and knock him down; his manner
such as induced Mr. Wales to cock his pistol and keep
upon lin.
Q.-Was the conduct of the crew improving other
wise after the arrest Of Spencer, Cromwell and Small
A-Otherwise; the men were gathering in knots about
the gangways and recastle and talking much together
and separating on my and never talking so as
that rescue was meditated it was and my firm belief
that they meditated an attack.
Q-You said that when the order " Delay. Delay" was
given, the gallant mast was carried away Did you
the cause?
Al not deck then.
Odd Cromwell state for what you were to forgive
hmi
A.-No sir it was request of general forgiveness.
Q.-Do you know where the List found in Spencer's
writing isl
A.-rhe Commander hast
Q.-When was it found?
A.-On the night on which Mr.. S. was con fined
Q-Where?
An his locker contained in paper in looking
glass case, with drawn Chinese looking little thing.
Q-Was il loose in the drawer?
A-No; in the drawer was a razor case, which OPEN
round razor cases there was no razor in the case
Q'-What sort OF case was h2
A.-One those for one razor, with sliding top.
Q-Look at those Lists, and see II they were those
found7
[The found spencers locker here pro.
by Spencer taken and handed to the witness who
identified them There were also pieces paper with
number of names in Greek characters.
JUDGE ADVOCATE Il can make out the names Wilson,
MCKEE and Mckinley.
wirNEss-Mr. Spencer told me that he had alphabet
of his own, which could decpher hut himself.
told him that these papers had been found He said he
thought think he was shown the papers on the sOth
He them off in English and Mr.. Dearde took copy.
juror ApvocArE.-Mr. Delarde is here, is he not!
Jupor ApvooArE-Do you recollect any thing you wish
to add7
MIR. GANsEvooRr.-No sir.
JupeR ApvocArE-Has Capt. Mckenzie got any ques-
Capt Mckenzie handed slip of paper with question
written it, to the court for their examination and aP
proval. II was not put
Capt McKENzIE to the Judge Advocate.-1as it been
asked belore7
JUpoE ApvooArE-m not sure, sir but it's not in legal
form at any rate.
McKsszrr.-Then tear it up if you please, sir.
Another question was then handed in.
JUICE ADvocATE.-I believe it has been answered al
ready. The question refers the reason Of the CON-
nanders ordering It. and Wales not to be
together, lest might excite suspicion. can put it. how
ever.
McKENzIE.-No sir; do not wish to occupy the time
Of the court with it, as it has been answered before
". CAPT. MCkENZTE-Wa as tnere not q Written TOu-
tine OF duty board the somers and did it not prohibit
the of tobacco among the apprentices and not the
to copy it into their journal.
A.-There was sir saw the order to the officers to
have it copied into all the watchblls copy also
kept on deck for the of the watch
q. CAPT. McKENzrE-Dd not a number of the crew
of particular watch, who broke their liberty at Santa
Cruz and not their found in MIR. spencer's
lists
TA-yes there were, and recollect that among them
were Green and Mckinley, whose names were found in
the lists OF Mr.. Spencer.
Q-Was there any other bright work about the Somers
except the and fixtures OF the guns that required to
be kept bright?
A--No, sir.
Q-Afer the discovery of the intended mutiny and pre-
viously to the execution of the rng-leaders was the
in condition have gone into action with any
prospect of sustaining the honor Of the American flag
A.-No sir she not, and would have been very
sorry to have been her first Lieutenant if she had.
Q-From what you observed and knew of the state and
feelings oihe up to the execution did you then or