Richmond daily Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1842-1861, 1843-05-27

with the motives which had induced the honorable member
Cor MJnirosc bring forward this motion. but he deeply
GREETED that such Nsp had been taken la his opinion the
OF the country required that the treaty Of Washing
should be madc little possible the subject OF discus
and that nothing should be done odsufb the minds OF
either here America, and 10 cause either party To
suppose that they had obtained advantage Ii far
better that each country should believe that had made
rfces in order TO avert the horrors of iear hear)
Surprised he that the present motion should have been
made he still astonishcd that II should receive the
support OF the Government lie could consider the pro
position IN any other light than motion ct eensure upon
the Administrations for ii Lord Ashbuton deserving OF
thanks, aud consistent with precedent aud the puoiie
interests why had they proposed of thanks ohm
long agol (Hear, hear, hear.) Il incumbent the
Government To show that there circumstances IN Lord
Ashburtons which justified departure from precedent
Before ne could the notion he be satisfied that
Lord had becn in all respects, uneScep
nonabe but at present the impression OF his mind was de-
cidedy adverse that conclusion. In looking through the
correspondence the table OF the House, he perceived
that Lord Ashburon had than instance, pledged
the honor OF the country particular which lac
afterwards abandoned Nevertheless after having consd
cred the question: he disposed acquiesco m the terms
OF the treaty. HcaT, hear" from the Ministerial benches
was different question: however, whether he pre-
pared to thatitwas advantageous To the country ear,
hear from the quarer In several OF the
correspondence Lord Ashburon himself declared the treaty
advantageous this country but the United
States Had the opinion IN this country permitted,
the late Government would have had difficulty IN settling
the question the same basis that OF the late treaty. but
looking ai the opinions by OF the lead
of the country OF the full OF the
British clam-by the Quarterly Review, the great organ of
the Conservative party, and the Review which
also scd conSd, abc influence IN this country
probable that had such treaty been made by ambassador
appointed by the late Government large number OF patriots
woud have been the Conservative benches and also
among the Radicals who would have oustcd the late Govern.
mcut the question. The motion brought forward
wasenuey contrary opreccdent and the honorable member
for MonrOse, who proposed had nothing TO do with the
question. Hear, hear, and taught Seeing that 1t was
quite unprecedented, he give his against the
ton.
Sir H. DOUGLAS expressed his cordial approval OF the
surrender of Rouses Point which useless de-
fcnsye position against attack United States and
only useful offensive position. He did hope
should make hostile nruad into that county. Ii there
was one thing than another that he admired the noble
lord who had been chosen this country II
that he conducted the negotiation friendly spirit and
scorned the possession any point
sary for the defence OF the British domnions America,
and willingly surrendered what would only be OF OF.
iensive movement He hoped we should always remember
Saratoga and forget PattSburg the maddost OF all
attempts would be invasion of the United States
try from which by the climate for five months
OF the and IN which every shot that fired must be OF
enormous from the difficulty transport Ii ever inoTt.
natey II should become necessary have
ues of aggression they within the reach OF the great
arm Of our strength, and their any where
That an impression must be- made. With respect 10 the
mount OF territory given up by the treaty, much
as had been granted to the Americans by the award OF the
King Of the Netherlands. which had been adopted by
the noble lord, the late Secretary for Foreign Affairs,
and pressed the United States lie hoped that noble lord
would support this notion he had approved OF the award
lion OF the American toyernmenttOr several years. Great
part OF the Madawaska settlement also awarded 10
the United States by the King Holland, and the
eighty OF the territory surrendered when the right bank
OF the ST John taken possession OF by the United
States With respect the navigation the ST. John. that
was merely treaty arrangement, granted for special
purpose and carrying with danger Inconvenience.
Questions connected with the navigation OF rivers often
caused great embarrassment. In S24, Mr. Rush. who
then minister from the United States London demanded
the free navigation Of the s. Lawrence for the Americans
he
the question rested. lie (Sr H. Douglas had expressed
an opinion 10 the right honorable baTono the questions
pending between the Governments could not be
ucd without the concession by OF free navigation
the ST John; for what the Americans of Maine
with their timber and other productions debarred from
10 tnesca but he mad recommended that should be
granted as special privilege boon, aud
OF right so that 1t could not be drawn precedent, and
that the Americans might not be enabled TO demand the
tree navigation OF the ST. Lawrence ALSO for II that
granted to them, we should be nternayga from oil parts
OF the upper provinces down Quebec The honorable
member opposite had observed that he acquescod IN the
arrangement established by the treaty. though he did
mean 10 vote for the notion defended himself by saving
that there was great difference between acqucScng
arrangement and admitting that IL advantageous
one lie would only say that the honorable member by
ms own admission aequiesced in settlement which he
thought disadvaEiageous aud tins certainly very
consistent course
Mr. V.SMITH felt called upon make a few obserya.
lions on what might justly be termed the prOpo-
sllon OF the honorable member for MonirCse. lie applied
thi epIihet the because OF the prece-
dent rs TO any similar for huse which
tue honorable member was pleased call preccdens they
had about as much 10 do with Of thanks
basador extraordinary, any diplomatic envoy with
any subject totally foreign ON the lie MIR. V.
SMITH content 10 take the declaration If the night
honorable gentleman, the rst Lord the Treasury 10
previous case analogous the present These the
words OF The night honorable gentman when he asked
why or H. fOihnger was excluded from the OF thanks
on occasion OF peace with Chi al wish IL had been
consistent with have included the # SIR H.
f"unger IN the vote; but at the time think 1t OF
great importance adhere these strictly pre-
eeden because five did strictly adhere those pre-.
cecenthlch think have been oun ded upon good sense
every Omission that we happened to make IN OF this
nature would imply censure. We avoid the risk Of
apprehend thatthere is which a pumatc
agent OF the Government has received the thanks Of Pa-
mention the successful completion any negotiation how
ever important or Of any treaty, however advantageous
80 the Interests Of this county cerainy think that the
precedent OF including the OF diplomatic
votes Ut this ought pause before we
establish" These the words the right honOra-
Die gentleman when appealed this very 10 nc.
knowledge the services Of Sir H. Poituger and adminp
as he did aud hid always DONE the and discretion If
the night Honorable barOne be had been very much supr
cd Oh learning that the night honorable intended 10
support the motion Of m honorable friend. Hsadmiraon
however had returned that evening" for he perceived that
although the ght honorable baronct intended fulfil his
promise OF supporting the notion he had had the and
discretion % hear single word Of the honorable mem.
ber- speech. His honorable friend, the gallant commodore
near MN, bad moved that the House do adjourn; and
the honorable member for Winchester said what way Of
meeting great question like this. But that the
parliamentary Of meeting question which they thought
ought not 20 be dcussedat al e might that his hon.
orable friend, in addition his gaantry had manifested
great knowledge OF parliamentary precedeut, for similar
motion had been made two three previous occasions
and by two noble Ord-, 10 whose example he thought the
honorable member would be disposed pay respect Lord
Chatham and Lord Grey, hear hear) He was however
WING 10 admit that spite Of there being prcco-
den.s, supposing there extraordinary wonderful
and unforeseen Of in negotiations pcrhlrs de-
Walton from practice might be ustfube. But what the
best that had been said Of Lord Ashburton's negotiation
Ills best friends and admirers only ycnurcd 10 say
that wo were well out the scrape, (hear, hoar)
We did not get all We claimed all that the QuAHrrEty
REVIEW asserted that entitled to- using language
more bold than employed in Parliament especially when
wniten by gentleman who pretty fond Of assuming
high and arrogant tone. We mad obtained OIL that We
had night 10 expect and therefore he said there no
ground for stopping out of the usual line of parliamentary pre-
ccdcns The honorable member this notion confined his
APPROPRIATION TO- Gee settlement Of the boundary ho cal
nd on ho House 1suge out item Of c treaty. and sgn
" Yer unqualified appreciation Of that portion hear, hear
Was % on such ground that Parliament should be called
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