The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1842-09-27
General Sessions.
Before Recorder Talmadge Judge Lynch and Alderman


General Sessions.
Before Recorder Tamadge. Judge Lynch and Alderman
Carman.
sKrr. 26.Tnalo of Rev. .4nssins Tsrrsn, for P"Jury
Confnusd.-PETKR DANIEL ToRMEL called by Prosecu-
Court went away with my friends to Brooklyn have
been here every day since the trial commenced saw Dr
Granger Friday went to see Mr. verren last even.
ing but found there went to ascertain how his
wife since the insult on Saturday.
Mr. MAxwELL, for defence here enquired how far the
discretion Of this court would allow the Attorney General
to proceed in this mode of crossexaminaton on MINOR
points as it was entirely unprecedented In MS Know
The Couar stated that the Attorney General must
ercise his discretion in the mode of crossexamination
WITNESS oontnued.-The subject Of this trial was not
alluded to saw Dr. Granger yesterday we did not
speak of this case but did talk about Homeopathy
about 60 years of age and was never under oath BE-
BAxxER-Did you not make an oath before the Vice
Chancellor in the OF Madame De Boulionf
before one man was present at the trial De Bullion
and did not say to any body that Mr. verren was oao
man, great villain could not say SO because dia not
think told any body at that trial that did not
know thing about the trial. nothing was said between
and DR. Granger relative him and me coming to court
have taught French in the school Of Mrs Wood Barrow
street have taught school for Mrs Nelson, in HYDE
Park do remember having taught Mr. Weeks Of the
Bowery Ihave taught Mr.. Tredwarm, the lawyer, at
his house taught first Mr.. Walters, in westchester
County next at Mrs Nelson's then at Mrs. WOODS IN
Barrow street, then Mrs Lyons at Tarrytown next at
Mr. Young's and then in Brooklyn, in Washington Ave.
nue.; have lived in Poughkeepsie ! hired q room
had family in America lived in Poughkeepsie
medicines was twenty years old when became sol.
dier when ! was subp9naed as witness gave MIR.
was subpenaed-when went to Mr.. Verrens house I
met young man who gave me a subpoena, ana tnen
gave MIR. Verren the paper containing the evidence;
BARKER.--Who told you you was to be subpGnaed 10 AZ
tend this trial.
AsswEN.-The papers said the trial was to come off,
BARxEK.-But who told you particularly that you was
10 be q witness the trial 2
ASswER-My head told me. (Laughter)
BARxER-what made you prepare the paper you gave
AsswER.-I made it out for my convenience, sup
posing that might be called as a witness
sented by Mr.. MAXWELL
WITNESS contnued.-I went to Chabers to find Colon
JAMES II. WHITING, ESQ.,, called and sworn am the
District Attorney of this county, recoect the trial Of
De Bullion, and otherthe name OF Formed was given to
| me at that time by Mr. Verren as a witness
The ATTORNEY GENERAL asked the object Of this ex'
animation
MAxwELL-My object is to show that Formel had made
a similar statement previous to this trial
BARKER-I not that it is common to call wit
to endorse previously on the stand who has
been attempted TO be mpeached by no other means than
through his animation.
The CoURr deemed il admissible, and
WITNESS proceeded-Formel made these communica-
tions to me the evening that the testimony was
closed in the trial ofDe Bullion.
ATTORNEY GENERAL here objected to question: and an
argument ensued between him and Mr. Maxwell as to the
adm ssbty of witnesses stating the declaration Of For
mel at the time he gave the information to Mr. Whiting
sion Of Judge Thompson in the Of Hazard and Jeho
vtch being in favor Of the admssbliy Of similar tes
The CouRT decided evidence OF the details made
by Forme 10 the District Attorney could not be admitted
account ohe relation that he stood to the District At
ney at the time witness.
witness continued Formel not
examined witness the former trial alter he had
made his communication toyoul
ASswER-The reason, as I understood, that Mr..
Verren not acquainted with me at the tme-and
as he had come from the boarding house where these
lived had made up the book it was not known
whether he would testify to the same facts that he pre-
sened At the close the trial stated that he would
nGrrns that cftpnan Of nr
MAxwELL-Please explain the manner in which the al
dav OF verren was drawn up that forms the basis OF
ArswER-On the morning Of the day following the
clusion OF the testimony in the trial Of De Bullion,
discredt the testimony OF Granger which admitted
and read consultation was then held between myself
and Mr. MAXWELL and Mr. Patterson, who were engaged
advised. then set down in open court and drew 1t up
when Mr. yerren signed presented in answer to
| write it, as well his client, Mr.. Bartelemy.
Cross.sramined BY -QuEsIIoNP Please examine
this affidavit hsnding witness the affidavit Of De Bullion
made the tme) and say whether twas not written
| at the same time and under what crcumstances7
ASswra-My impression is that it desired at that
time TO postpone the cause for another day the affidavit
l. handwriting they were presented to the court
and argument ensued, believe; told FOrmsl that
| il too late for him to appear a witness.
WEsrERrDd you not suppose that by the admission Of
Formels testimony at that trial. that you would open the
door for us to admit testimony to impeach Grsngers te
| mony1
AsswERI did not because did know until the next
morning that you had any such intention.
BAnI,. DO you know any thing o. interest n, to the
Verren
Asswrx-No, not that remember could say some.
thing about another affidavit here file, made by Bar
tcIemy was asked with my opinion as to the bearing
upon the trial.
| that.
the subject Of comment at the time OF the
trial but certain that the interlineations
ANsELrNo BERTI sworn-I knew De Bullion about four
/ years ago | him at Brooklyn he then spoke Of
Madame de IL Haye he said she Of bad disposition
and bad character very much disposed SANDER in
order satisfy Of this he took out Of his pocket an
anonymous letter. and read it from top bottom
very abusive towards Madame de la Baye intending to
drive her from all houses where she teachings he
intended persuade that she had anderedmy family
Crosserannined by BARKER-I belong to MIR. Verrenl
Church think this before the spring Of 1880 did
not see the hand. writing asked him where he got II
Bullion) was author and he left with almost the
conviction that he think the letter was the Brunei
letter, as know the Brunei lam family. y, .
By M.IwrLL.Wss Miss De La Haye witness before !.
the Ecclesiastical Court at the trial OF Mr. Verren and If
| so, what statement did she make7
WEsrEBN objected a. the revelation OF such testimony
| was not admissible under the statute.
quanted with DIR. verren in 1888 or 1890 knew De
Bullion long before
| MIrwrLf-when did you obtain your knowledge Of
Asswrn-T knew De Bullion since 1885, during the time
he has required medical add in 1886 in the
time he brought his weto my house, who complained 81
h9morhage Of the lungs then prescribed for her but
never made any charge.
| BARxER--We could not pay it,
AssBut could have asked for it, though; and told
him that he teacher he had more money than
he wanted In the fall Of 1898 De Bullion called and
me; and during the conversation he asked TO what
church belonged to. say we, because my wife wa
present said zoe, because my wife was there said
that American family had offered seat in church
DE Bullion said he clerk Of the vesry Of Mr. ver-
rens church. ! asked him who his colleagues in
the vesry he said they set Of old women from
rs 10 last and that he could do az pleased asked
him IL the Reverend Gentleman would let him do a. he
pleased said MOI he said he just as much OF az old
me for he knows a. he ought to know that have in
my power to do him harm. asked how can that be- he
replied will tell you that is between u.s. He then said.
one night went to verren, and gave him bundle OF
letters to look you know saysh that perfection
il very dificult-Mr Veren engaged with some one
L - he of hous