Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1842-12-15

of Wavs and Means should form bill out OF the House
He had no apprehension OF any such danger. ne oh)
plan that would be reported, wouid De 'nal OF 'ie -
eutre. He thought that the Executive had not Oeer
fairly dealt by and had TO complain. Therefore
he wished the plan or exchequer system oil the ffes
dent to be broueh, before the House for its action
Mr. w. COST JOHNSON suggested that, II It as
the object of the gentleman from vermont hr Ever
Oil m hrinr the House 10 test at once he had better
modify his proposition, By moving to instruct The Com
mitlee Of the Whole, instead OF the Committee OF
Wsvs and Means The committee might report the
p and if there majority tor u, III one hour
mght be passed. Yet lie (Mr ~ was not ANXIOUS 10
force others TO a decision al once lie had not hinse
examined the plans and reports, except that OF the Sc
crctarv of The Treasury for Which he might be inclined
to give his vote, if for either
| After some conversation between Messrs. EF EREI
and JOHNSON,
Mr.. PlCKENS inquired whether ne was TO hndef.
stand The gentleman from Vermont as moving TO nsruci
lie committee to eport the bill prepared by the select
committee Of last session, that BY the Secretary o
the Treasury. ,.u a.,
Mr.. EVERETT said that he meant The bill of the
Secretary OF the Treasury.
MIR PICkENS remarked that, IT SO, by voting Tor
the instructions proposed by the gentleman from Yer
mont mir. Eyerett) he should be construed as having
committed himself in favor OF The measure (Cres OF
no.) Gentlemen might think otherwise; but such ne
IMAGINED would be the inference from the House Jour
nails twenty years hence
LA En-
of the Committee Of the Whole having been instructed
10 report particular bill II was The custom OF the
Committee of the Whole 10 report bills which had pre-
yiously from the standing or select committees Of
the House.
MIR. NEHEMIAH rose to appeal 10 the gentleman
from Vermont TMr. Everett TO Withdraw his amend.
me Mt to the resolution of reference lie saw no COCO
that could be answered by such positive instructions 10
the Committee Of Ways and Means. That commute
would have the whole subject before them, ana ne
t,.h aV,taA 10 ~ 4
favor Of giving them opportunity to make report
MIR. j. G. FLOYD, after inquiry as TO the question
before the House. proceeded TO say that as he under
Stood The parliamentary rule, it was customary that
propositions from the Executive should be referred to
committees friendly TO their adoption. Indeed, this
was the only practicable method Of legislation. Now,
this was proposition 10 refer The econlne ndatons con-
ained in the message Of the President 10 the Committee
of Ways and Meuns-a committee which was well IN
dersood TO be unfavorebe 10 their adoption. he was
opposed to this course neither did he think II just to
instruct the committee 10 report the Identical measure
formerly mended by the President. The more
proper course was refer that part of the message re-
ating the exchequer plan to committee Tits trends
who would give it the faires consideration, and bring
out every argument in favor.
lie would refer the House 10 passage IN the speech
of former distinguished member which contained, as
he conceived, the proper doctrine This speech was
made by the Hon John Bell, at the commencement OF
the first session Of the och Congress- and wns in reply
mir Pckens,) in relation TO the appointment of com
mittees The ground taken was, that The Executive
should have proper committees 10 report upon lis re.
Communications. [He here read the passage alluded
to- II had thus seemed 10 the distinguished member
from Tennessee (ar Belly that there certain com.
mt,ees which came more in contact with the E1ecu-
tive than Others and these committees should be con.
sltuted Of majority of its friends TWAS not tor INN
inquire how far The present ncnmben nj OF the ano'r
had conformed 10 this idea OF MIR Bell oil appointing
tl,..o u,t.h q
Executive He had only designed To cite this nu,ho-
rity, and refer 10 the former practice OF the House
With these views, he should vote against the PROPOSE.
lion refer to the Committee Of Ways and Means, and
in vor of that refer TO the Committee of the Whole
on The state of the Union.
MIR EVERETT rose and withdrew his motion 20
refer TO the Committee Of Ways and Means, with in
structons TO report the exchcquer bill prepared by the
Secretary of the Treasury.
MIR. G.. J. INGERSOLL here called for division OF
the question of striking out the Gomm'''ee oil ways
and Means, as proposed by Mr. Fillmore, and inserting
the Committee of the Whole on the state OF the U mon,
as proposed by Mr. Cushing TO take the vote irst
on striking out, and then upon inserting.
The SPEAKER, however, subsequently, decided
that, according the 18th rule of the House, motion
TO strike out and insert was indvisble
Mr.. TlLLlNGHAST said he would make an expia'
nation as TO The he should give on the present oc.
casion which, he had doubt, would apply TO others
as we'll as himself II was true that 1t was parliament
ary to refer Executive propositions 10 their friends but
this rule did not here apply The reason of The rule
was TO prevent the suppression Of important measures
by referring them TO nimical committees In the pre-
sent case the had already been referred 10
committee of its friends, and bill reported lie could
not say how he should vote upon The meusure-whe-
Their for or against it-hat would depend upon the de-
tails which il might contain. He thought II best to sub
mil il 10 as much examination possible, both for and
against it.
Mr. CUSHING inquired whether the gentleman
contemplated that the House should wait until The
Committee Of Ways and Means had made report, be.
fore il proceeded 10 take action npon the subjects re-
CONNIE nded in the message Of the President.
MIR. TILLINGHASr said, No. The House might
20 on and discuss the measure but might be relieved
by the report which would come in during the discus
SIM II was q matter of vast importance 10 the coun
try and he objection to having it examined by
men both in favor of, and opposed to, its adoption.
The question then taken on MIR. Cushing
motion TO strike out "the Committee OF ways and
Means and insert "the Committee Of the Whole on
the state of the Union, the committee whose duty
should be TO consider the portion Of the message
Ialing reorganization of the Treasury Department,
and The establishment of an Exchequer system. The
House refused 10 strike out and nser-yeas 100, nays
los, as follows:
Yeas-Messrs Arlington, Anterior, Barton, Beeson,
Black BOVINE Brewster, Charles Brown, Burke, VIM.
Bntrr, William O. Butler, Green w. Caldwell, Patrick
C. Caldwell, John Campbell, Cary, Chapman, Clifford,
Clinton, Mark a. Cooper, Cushing Daniel, Richard
ID. Davis, Dawson, Dean Doan, Dog, Eastman, John
c. Edwards, Egbert, Ferris j. &. Floyd, c. A. Floyd,
Foroance Gerry, Glmer, Goggin Patrick G. Goode,
VIM o Goode, Gordon, Cuisine, Harris, Hastings,
Hays, Hopkins, Houck, Houston, Hubbard, Hudson,
Hunter, Charles J ngersolI, W. w. Irwin, Jack, W.
c. Johnson, C. Johnson, J. w. Jones, Kcim, Andrew
Kennedy, Liilleield Lowell, Abraham Mcclellan, II.
Mcclellan, Mckay, McKeon, Mallory, Marchund, a.
Marshall. Mathews, Mitchell, Morris, Newhard, Par.
ncner, Partridge Payne. Pckens, Plumer, Pope, Read,
Rencher Reynolds, Riggs, Rogers Roosevelt, Sanford,
SAUNDERS Shaw, VIM. Smith, Snyder, sprgg, Steen
rod, Sumter, Sweeney, jacob Thompson, Van Buren,,
Ward, Wuerson, WesbrOok, c. II. Williams, Wise,
and Wood-l00.
.yays-Nles.rs. Adams, Allen, Landau w. Andrews,
Sherlock J. Andrews, Arnold Aycrgg, Babcock, Ba
Bolts, Boyd, Briggs, Brockway, Bronson, Milton
Brown, jeremiah Brown Burnell, Calhoun, William
B Campbell, Thomas J. Campbe Ceruthers, Casey,
John c Clark, Slaey n Charlie, James Cooper, Cow
en-, Cranson, Garrett Davis, Drherry, John Edwards,
E,noro A Foster