The daily Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1841-1845, 1842-02-08
THE DISONIAN

minute account Of the debate which occurred
in the House of Representatives on THURSDAY
and Friday last, on the charge made by MI AL
ANS The nroeeedinps of Thursday have been
copied from the Intelligencer, and 'hose 0, rh
day have been obtained from the accomplished
reporter of that paper. The intelligencer mas
been induced TO omit the report OF the remarks
or M, Adams for reasons well known. We
have thought proper, in justification Of the two
members assailed, to supply its omissions.
THURSDAY, February 3, 1912.
But more. The gentleman from Albemarle had
said that he brought forward this resolution upon his
own ground, without consultation, under sense OF
the indignation aroused by the presentation OF the pc
tition. Yet mark: the gentleman had, before that
time notified this House that he prepared TO dis
miss him Mr.. Az as Chairman Of the Committee on
Foreign Relations according to the prayer Of the pc
tltion from Georgia. The gentleman had given. no
tice of that to others beside him. (Mr Al Yes,
the s-nteman had tempered with colleague of his
Mr. Asl own to put him in the station OF chairman
of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, Gin his (Mr'
- place.
MI GILMER In as respectful language as l can
use, say that the charge is without foundation or
shadow Of probability. II is untrue.
The SPEAKER again nterPosed.
Mr. CUSHING My colleague has made an ac-
cusation well against me against the gentleman
from Virginia, (Mr Gilmer,) which is totally without
foundation totally.
Mr.. ADAMS. had the information from the gen.
eman himself. aver it in the presence ofthis House
and OF my God.
Mr. CUSHING rose.
The SPEAKER intimated that il would not be in
order for the gentleman to speak, unless his colleague
yielded the floor.
Mr. CUSHING said that under such circumstan-
ces most assuredy he ought TO be allowed to speak
for himself
His colleague abored under apprehension
His colleague referred to conversation, and in what
way he, Mr. Co. to refer to it unless he repeated it,
he knew not y but his colleague referred to his con-
struction of conversation between him Mr. CO
and himself in which he (Mr CO. had expressed
painful Of the embarrassment into which he was
thrown from the knowledge Of the fact that such
purpose existed
Mr. ADAMS. That is to say, to remove me from
the Office of Chairman of the Committee Foreign
Affairs, and to appoint my colleague in his place. =
Mr.. CUSHING. l wish to be understood in this
matter. 1t is my right to do SO. My colleague has
stated that told him that the gentleman from vir
ginia had made such proposition to me.
Mr.. ADAMS. No. l said that the gentleman
from Virginia had tempered with my colleague; and
meant by that he had made promise with him,
(and If it was not he, it was another member cf the
committee that they would remove and appoint
him. did not charge my colleague
Mr. CUSHING said that he had not said any such
thing to his colleague, as that the gentleman from Va
any body else had tempered with him, or made any
such proposition. But, from what the gentleman from
Virginia had stated in the House, fom the public de-
caIaton he had made on the memorial from Georgia,
and from other knowledge he Mr. c. had had as
he stated to his colleague under the best feelings, he
had been placed under embaIr assment and under
that embarrassment il that he had stated to his
colleague, that If such purpose were pursued, he
(Mr % should feel it to be his duty to ask the Speak
er and the House to excuse him from serving
MIR. ADAMS. do not mean to charge my col
league with countenancng the attempt to tamper
wit | cal tatnp airing Nv rnlla "A
say to me- the foundation Of asking to be excused
from serving, g" they will remove you and they pro-
pose to appoint me-" He did not name the gentle
man from Albemarle or any body else. | say the
gentleman from Albemarle did tanper with my col
league, and there it rests
Mr. CUSHING. My colleague undertakes to re-
peat my words in that conversation. Has he record
of them' did not say, they will remove you"
did not know that they would. ! thought then, as
think now, that they have power; and of course,
could not say to my colleague that they would re-
move HIM said that purpose of proposing that
proceeding existed, and that if it accomplish
ed then was placed in that painful situation.
Mr., ADAMS will not resort to county court
pleas as to the form of expression used by my col
league. He did not use the term 'tampering' with
him. That is my conclusion. He told me, if he did
not say they would remove me, that they intended
to remove me.
My colleague asks me if | have a record of that
conversations No, have not. And | am willing
now to take his own statement of the facts, to let
world With the intention and purpose of the mem
Der from Albemarle not only to remove me from tho
Office of Chairman of the Committee on Foreign At
fairs but to propitate the Yankees by putting ano-
Their Yankee in my place. That is the ant-sectional
feeling of the gentleman from Albemarle. want
the whole matter to be fully disclosed. have charg-
ed the existence of conspiracy here concocted in
this House for the purpose of running To what
end
There was design to removehim from his station
Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs be-
fore he presented this petition. The attempt to
ny this into execution had already been made in the
Committee IN Foreign Affairs Notice had been Civ
en- by member of this House, and member of that
committee of his readiness to remove him (Mr. AZ
before he had presented this petition. He hoped the
House would notice that fact He would read from
the record of the proceedings of that committee.
Mr.. PICKENS rose to a point of order. With en-
tire respect to the gentleman from Massachusetts, he
would inquire whether it proper for the gentle
man to detail what was done in the Committee on
Foreign Affairs. 1t had always been considered out
of order refer in the House to the proceedings of
the committees.
Mr.. GILMER, a member of the Committee on
Foreign Affairs, hoped that the chairman (Mr. Az
would read the account of the proceedings of that
committee.
Mr.. ADAMS said he would do So He was on his
defence, and this was very material part
The SPEAKER made some remarks in reference
to the point of order, which it impossible to hear
at the Reporters desk, but was supposed to overrue
the point of order.
Mr.. ADAMS continued He did not take it that
the proceedings of the committees of this House
were secret Since he had been member of the
House, any person who chose had been permitted to
attend them. He understood he was at liberty to
read the proceedings of the Committee. He then
read the following record of the proceedings of the
Committee Foreign Affairs, at its session on Tues
day, February l, 1912:
In Committee on Foreign Affairs Of the House of
Representatives of the United States, Tuesday LIST
February, 1912.
Present-Adams, Gilmer, Everett, Hunter Rhett,
Gushing, Profit, Johnson Granger.
The Chairman presented paper in writing, to the
effect that THOMAS w. GLMER member of the
House from Virginia and member of this commit