The daily Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1841-1845, 1842-12-15

connected with the best interests Of tho country o"
condition Of pledge from him that he would mol
disturb the then members of his cabinet in othce
Mr. WISE ] rise with written point of order,
which send to the Chair. !
After brief conversation, the point Of order oil
Mr.. WISE was read as follows:
"Mr. Wise submits that il is not in order TO en-
terrain the proposition Of Mr. Bolts, without the vote
Of two-lhirds of the House. unless II be iriisgsd
question and he submits that the paragraphs read
by Mr. Bolts from letter purporting To be written
by John c. Spencer, Secretary Of War, do not M
volve any question of The privilege of this House."
Mr.. WISE held the floor, and was heard on his
point of order. He submitted that the proposition
uf his colleague nothing more nor less IMAM
new proposition before the House which had not pre-
cedence over other business and that not being q
question of privilege, privileged question al an
other matters excluded IT, unless the gentem should
submit proposition TO which no objection vas made
But objec ton made and, being made the reso'
luton required a vote OF two-thirds. On that RUE,
in the first place, Mr.. w. relied. His colleague
must make motion to suspend the rules, unless II DC
a question of privilege or privileged question
How then did the record stand THIS was mol
necessarily question OF privilege at all, but merely
a proposition to raise a committee As such, Mr.. w
argued that single objection being mad, a motion
to suspend the rules was requisite, as in any ordinary
case of resolution Of inquiry, &c &c III the Speak
chose TO regard this Us question OF privilege or
members chose 10 put IT on that ground The Speaker
vege or not, and the right mode Of ascertaning the
sense of the House was by an appeal from the deer
sion Of the Chair This distinction between PRIV
legged question and question oil privilege was DIS
tinction without difference; II was the distinction
between 80 Jenny, come out" and "come out, Jem-
my"
Mr. w. submitted that the members of the Wing
party had not 10 be such magnaes in this land
that the mere expression OF opinion on the part OF
citizen was TO be regarded scandaium magnai,,,.
Ekor. s,,ch Nv nd The ma
esty or he sovereignty Of Congress that the Secre
tary of War, speaking as private citizen, could not
say all that said in that pper and more than all,
without being guilty of the hi offence OF violating
the privileges OF this House. i official parliamenta-
ry malfeasancc naive saton, CT corruption had been
charged against the House oil Representatives the
Senate or eny part Of the Government, it was ques
ton which should have precedence, which should be
pre-eminent all other questions until every stain
had been wiped out. But, at the most the charge
was only made against party And now, for the
first time, il was made question OF privilege that a
party in this House had been arraigned. He submit
ted It to the Speaker to decide whether IT was ques-
ton OF privilege for the Secretary OF War, or any
body else, TO impugn party in this House?
Mr. Bolts still commended for the adoption of his
resolutiou--proceeding to defend the Wing party
against the charge made in Mr.. Spencer's letter, by
adverting to the language held by hatparty on the
subject of National Bank at the Extra Session
When Mr.. WISE int rposed to order,
Nj. FESSENDE DEN moved to lay the whole subject
on the table.
The vote was taken and decided in the negative
yeas Sc, nays 90. The following were the nays (on
he part Of the Wig party'D
NAYS-Messrs. Adams, Landau w. Andrews,
Arnold Babcock, Baker, Barnard Barton, Bidlack,
Birdseye, Blair, Boardnan, Borden, Bolts, Bovine,
Jeremiah Brown, Bufne Patrick c. Caldwell, Thos.
J Campbell, Caru,hers, Chi tender, John, G. CLARK,
Sialey N. Clarke, James Cooper, Cranston, CraveDs,
Cushing Garrett Davis, Richard ID. Davis, DebeIry,
John Edwards, Egbert, Everett, Fillmore, A. Law
renee Foster, Gamble, Gates Goggin William Q
Goode, Gordon, Halsed, Harris, Henry, iiomes,
Howard, Charles ]. IngersoII, joseph Il. Inge,soIi'
James irwin James John P. Kennedy, Andrew Ken
needy, Lane, Linn Robert Mcclellan, McKennan,
Thomas F. Marshall, Maho', Mattocks, Maynard
Morgan, Morrow Osborne, Owsley Payne, Pende-
William Russell, James NJ. Russell, Sanford, Shep
pcrd Slade, Truman Smith, Staniy, stratlon, Alex
ander Ii. II. Stuart, Summers, Tuliaferro, John y.
Thompson, Richard w. Thompson, 'Toland, Trip
lett, Trumbulr Turney, Underwood, Van Burer,
| Van Rensselaer,, Wallace, Ward, Washington, w e.
Ter, Joseph L. White, Joseph L. Williams Wise
Wo5d, Augustus Young, and John Youog-99.
| Mr. Bolts now submitted modification Of his
proposition, by striking out The words ''the Wing par
y" in the original resolution, and inserting "the men,
bt,s of Congress [Laughler[
Mr.. WISE remarked that his colleagues resolution
pu,ported TO be partly extract from the letter OF
Mr.. Spencer in which the words "ihe Wing party
were used, AID not "ihe members of Congress" de
therefore called Tor the reading Of he portion Of the
letter referred to- and also the resolution offered by biz
colleague.
| They were read accordingly
I Mr.. C. INGERSOLL inquired what would be
the effect of the reception Of this resolution as q
question of pr vilege' Would it come up for the
immediate consideration If the House,
! The SPEAKER said, ye.; and that it would over
| ride all other business.
The question was then taken, Shall the resolution
be received question of privilege and decided in
the negative-yeas 3d. nays LOG, as follows
| YEAS-Messrs. Adams, Landau w. Andrews
Arnold, Aycrigg Blbcock, Barnard, Brdseye, Blair,
Borden Bolts, J. Brown, VIM Butler, Wn B
Campbell, Thomas J. Campbell, CaIuthe,s, Ch,lten-
den, John c. Clark, Staey n Clarke, James Cooper,
wards, Everett, Fillmore, A. Lawrence Foster, Gam.
Bile, Goggin, Halst,d, Ii, nry, Howard, Hudson,
Charles J. lnnerso, Joseph X lngersoll, James IT.
vim James, Isaac d. Jones, JJhn 2, Kennedy, Lane,
Linn, Nick imam, homas f. Mifshal Samson
Mason, Mathio,, Ma;iocks, Maynard, Meriwethei
Moore, Morgan, Nj ROW, Osborne, O"sley, Pcarce,
Pendeion, Powell Ramsay, Raynrr, RIdgway, Rod
ney, VIM. Russell, james nj Russell, Shepherd,
Slade, Truman Smith, Stanly, StokeIy S,raton, A
Ii. II. Stuart, Summers, Taliaferro, john b. Th,np.
500, Richard w, Thompson, IIlinghast, Ioand,
TonIinson, Trip'e,l, Trumbull, Turley, Van Rens-
selear, Waoce, Warren Washington, Joseph L.
White Augustus Young and John Young-S5
NAYS.-Me Allen, Sherlock J. Andrews
Arlington Anterior, Bak r. Beeson, BidIack, Black
Bovine, Boyd, Brewster, Briggs Bronson, Aaron V.
Brown, Charles Brown, Burke, Burnell, WIN. o.
Butler, Green w, Caldwell Patrick G. Caldwell,
10 Campbell, Carey, Casey, Chapman Clifford
Clinton, Mark A. Cooper, Cowen, Gushing, Daniel
Richard d. Davis, Dawson, Dean, Doan, Eastman,
Ferris, Fesscnden, Charles A. Floyd, Gates, Gerry,
Gljdings, Gil.ner Patrick G. Gooje, Gordon Gus
tine, Harris, Hasting-, Hays, Hopkins, Houcs,
Houston, Euhard, Hunter, VIM. w Irwin, Jack,
VIM Cost johnson, Cave Jahn.on, John w. Jones,
Keim, Andrew Kennedy, Lulefed, Lowell, Alb a.
han Mcclellan, Robert Mcclellan, Mckay, Nc.
Keen, Mallory, Marchond, Alfred Marshall Ma
thews, Maxwell, Medi, Miller, Micac, Morris
Newbard, Parmen,er, Partridge, Payne, Pckens
Plumcr, Read, Redipg, Reynolds, Riggs, Rogers
Roosevelt Sanford, Saunders Shaw, WIN. Smith,
Snyder, Seenrcd, Sumter, Jacob Thompson, Under
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