Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1842-08-16
No. 29.--VOLUME xxx.

was in order " '''' '"o''o"
DIR: w said he believed it would be sufficiently 10.
gca 10 showing the that governed him ayainst
the decision of The Speaker to inouire ,vb, ,hora
s''ou'd De commitment, when there was NOTHING for
! committee to do. The committee coph M, ;, Dr.,
amend the OIL IN any respect the only pre rogavs
OF te committee would he to recommend 10 the iouse
whe,her II Should reconsider the bill or NOT Wonld
'aai be a reconsideration by the House; II wouJ H.,
a mere question OF advisement. lie mir. WI would
'ck TO the letter Of the Constitution And he vYoni
put II 10 the good sense of the House ITSELF wheiber
piefehce 10 committee, and ADJUSTMENT by thar
,,n,;o YOU'D be within the meaning of the Con-
'''lullon which declares that the House shall proceed
70 reconsider the bill: Sir, [said Mr. W. after vou
nase Pfoceede TO reconsider the BILL you NAV comm,t
tue message you like you may do what YOU please
WIN 'he rresdents objections you may refer them 10
The gentleman from Massachusetts, and Won NAV ,no;n
have the Devil quoting Scripture. Ne"'
MI Wise vas here called 10 order by The Sneaker
ana admon'shed to keep within the bounds If nar;,
neaaEs esc9Fna. ~ He then proceeded: After Won
you may henT be in Of reconsideration, say,
objections; but in rclerehctate ~ and dispose r -
s,Itutiol says you tine Housed SHALT is Imperative
proceed TO reconsider it Immediately; that is, within
reasonable time, and TO decide upon II by yeas and
nays. Yos shall proceed to do wha;-to reconsider.
The word has here parliamentary and meaning;
and II has its special constitutional sense in this
You shall not Iefer for ii is in vain. None other but
you (the House) reconsider ii. The committee
cannot amend IL; III aae, you yourselves caanJt amend
It, But may be tod IT not the bill you striking
out by this action, bu; the objections Ia the bill.
In reference to the objections, the Constitution has
prescribed your duty. You shall spread them upoa the
journal there they lsiard perpetual record You
cannot upon the objections untl YOU have rst
proceeded 10 reconsider the bill | ask the Speak r,
therefore, if the question upon the objection a,oh,
whether any action Gun be taken, the first INSTANCE.
upon the message separately; The appeal taken
the question OF referring the bull itself; but by
coupling the objections with il, you acting, III
point of fact, the objections first ii, then, the
mittee cannot amend the bill, but may act and report
upon the objections accompanying the bill, YOU are
proceeding before you reconsider the bill, TO obtain
report upon the merits and dement's of the objections
ask if this s legitimate | ask If you can Do that,
by indirect means, which you cannot 90 directly -
The Constitution expressly declares what shall be line
action of the House, in the first instance, upon the
bil-by proceeding TO reconsider 1t; and, in the next
place. what shall be the action, and different action,
upon the obectons-hy entering them upon the jour.
mails.
The Speaker, after uiimatng that the motion to re-
fer The message included the bill, took good care 10
cal! upon the gentleman 10 amend Ills motion. Sup
pose the House had proceeded to rcconside. the bill,
or had refused reconsider II; would IL have been in
order TO take up the objections, in preference to the
other business Of the House, and refer them TO
mittee alone No, Sir, it would have required the
concurrence oftwothrds OF the members Of this House
TO uct upon the objections alone. Other business would
have had precedence hut the action being upon the
bll-having actually entered upon its reconsideration,
which was postponed from yes,erday-yor now couple
that which is of order, with that which is in ORDER
YOU now couple with the bill (Which is the only sub
ec of consideration the objections 10 the b the
sderaon of which al this time is altogether out of
der. There palmer in the world, un-
less gentlemen prepared 10 decide that to commit
aud TO reconsider, in parliamentary sense arc fynony
nous.
:, m'. FILLMORE said sqpd he had listened with good
r,nn dod la apfla
man own construction.
The SPEAKER desired the gentleman from New
York 10 suspend his remarks for moment, that lie Qhe
Speaker) might refer 10 precedent, which be consi.
dered precisely in point He referred TO an act passed
in 1899 which had not received the m of the Pre-
sdent, but returned to the House the commence
ment Of the succeeding session, accompanied by the
Presidents reasons for withholding his assent mo-
ton then made in the precise terms oil The motion
now made by the gentleman from Massachusetts,, and
was adopted. The bill and tie message in that case
mt together to the committee, and came back
to the House
Mr. WISE begged to remind the Speaker that he
Mr. Wisel was not at tia, time member Of this
House.
Mr. FILLMORE then proceeded with his remarks.
If the gentleman apprehensiye that, in case this
bill and the accompanying message should be referred
10 a committee, they would never come back, he begged
10 assure the honorable gentleman that they would
come back long before he and his friends desired to see
them Gomez and report with them, which he would
perhaps desire as little to see. lie (Mr. F IN
favor OF the reference, in consequence of the import
Of the question invoiTed between congress ana
the Executive.
Mr. F. then moved to lay the appeal on the table.
Upon this question The yeas and nays being taken,
resulted as follows yeas leo, nays az.
! MIR ADAMS sad he would modify his motion by
striking out the word "b-as gentlemen seemed to
consider the bill being distinct from the message
though he (Mr. Al had regarded it as part Of the
message.
| Mr. WISE renewed the question of order. The gen.
tleman he said could 10 refer the message 10
n select committee for any purpose. The gentleman
had now moved he understood, to commit the mes-
saye of The President to select committee, with IN
s,ructions to report thereon; in other Words before we
proceed to reconsider the BILL we VIII refer the mes
sape and Obtain q report from committee
| Mr. ADAMS That IS a reconsideration.
| Mr.. WISE continued. lie (said he) had prece.
dent directly in point on tits question. In the Spring
If Is3o wh.n less than ten days of the adjournment
of The Congress of the IT, s. BILL entitled, An for
the improye.nen. of certain hatbo, and of the nayga-
ton of certain rivers sent IN the PRECEDENT for his
concurrence, and was by him rejected There being
less than days between the time OF sending the bill
to the President and of the adjournment OF Congress,
the President did not return the bill bet, in common
parlance, he pocketed it.
| Mr. LINN Of New York TO question of order.
fe desired to know whether question OF order was
debatabe. before appeal was made'
i Mr. WISE hoped the gentleman would be patent
He was perfectly in order He hoped the gentleman
would not d.. urb the weight Of the authority which
ne was about to cite with these repeated Interruptions
lie was about to state that the bill, having been sent
n the then Prcs;dent-that stern patriot, General
Jackson by him not vetoed bu at the commence
non, or the mex. session. sen, back accompanied -
message, telling Congress it had failed TO becon,e
law That me ssage-not veto message-was referred
TO select committee No question, Of course, wac
taken upon reconsideration None could be taken, be-
cause there the bill had died. No life left in 1t, up
on which future action could be had. Now, this very
precedent added Mr. Wse) which have cited against
this motion, has been adduced BY the honorable Speaker
as precedent in favor of the motion o. the gentleman
from Massachusetts, The Speaker was IN error
Tina, vas not veto message; bu, a message sent
10 Congress nj its next meeting. six months afterwards
i MT ". here read part Of tie message referred to
II The President did return that bill to the House
for reconsideration. That would hay. been mega
l.. e. q. iLnk