Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1842-06-17

then under consideration. On suJrc's Ieatlhs ~ nut
constitution of tins body, We sa'o NJ nJ are 'e IN
elected and sent here for The purpose OF relectng BACK
their will and would submit to gentlemen whethef
we are no, at least supposed 10 Understand more ~
rectv the wants and wishes OF the people, tnan tne
memb rs OF the Senate lie w'u'a 'e'"aiN "s"''' "
relation TO the organization OF The House, us mem
he,o wore the immediate representatives, oil The people
,b.mselves while the members nf the Senate were the
representatives of the States Now wale 'nls Dill was
under discussion, the very ratio wIcn Tue 9Thae mas
adopted was rejected by large majority ne Repre-
sentaves of the people have said to The Senate; The
neope do moi want ratio of 70G00-they want rslo
of 80 COO or tlereabouts. Again-other amendments
we're proposcd by the Senate-one oil winch, (that Tor
the representation Of factons was proposed he he.
lieved by the gentleman from fef"'o"'' li H'e'eJ
and voted down.
TMr. Everett here made some remark, which the re-
porter could not hear. =,
A, any rnle MIR g. continucdl this House has sa ID
| by fixing upon ratio OF hiiy thousaho' ''at suc'
was the ratio of representation that the people desired
Now he submitted again whether 1T would not have
been at least courteous the part oil Inc senate 10
have deferred the judgment OF the House, IN mat
ter affecting its organizatlon ana not 10 nave IT.
serted ratio that was deliberately rejected Bnt,
above ALL if they intended to disagree with the House
they might have done it in courteous manner; ne
submitted that there no necessity ior tnis mouse
TO be told that they were not To be enlarged because
they were disorderly inefficient body; That they were
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them as if they were set Of schoolboys, coming here
TO learn the first rudmens oil political SCIENCE Tor
one he would have been disposed TO have so Tar yeoeo
as 10 PIT the ratio up to OoODO, If ii had not been Tor
the manner in which the other body treated the House
on this occasion Now he would say 10 the gentleman
from Massachusetts, and the gentlemen from Maryland
that he would adhere to the last moment to the ratio
fixed by the House. Again: it was avowed IN the
Senate that it would not do to amend another section
of the BILL because 1t would not be safe 10 trust IL DICK
| 10 the House amended.
They could (said Mr. b. reject our bill when It suit
ed them-thcy could insert ratio 10 suit themselves,
without regarding the feelings and opinions Of the
House; but when important principle ~ TO be DIS
cussed, then this House must not be trusted with an
| amendment We have been told, (said MIR. b. that
this House is dsorderly. lie agreed with the gentleman
from ryand (Nr Johnson) that, generally, speaking
the House very orderly body; but that now ana
then there might BIZ occasions in which something like
confusion and tumut might be But reducing the
size of The body would not mend the matter reduce u
To us low number hundred the same scenes would
occasionally occur. So long as human nature re.
manned, members would sometimes, IN The heat and
excitement of debate incautously give vent to tx.
| pressions which were harsh and improper but ihs
would he only momcntary, and little time Tor rellec'
ton would restore them 10 sense OF proprey. Ihe
House did not deserve the imputaons that had been
cast upon it in the public journals, and IN the late DIS
cushions in the Senate Now as to the ratio oil repre-
sen,ation His friend from Kentucky, Mr.. Under
wood thought that one individual could just as well
represent 200 000 men, as one individual. Ihe gen.
teman went on the ground, that the Representative
is the agent of his constituents, and It mattered no'
how many principals there were. Now, sad Mr.
B. l the principle lies here We represent the peo
pIe themselves and on the principles Of Democracy,
the nearer you approach the great mass of the people,
the nore you carry out these principles Take the
case as stated by the gentleman himself lie repre-
sents $4,000 constituents and living IN small DISTRICT
he is acquainted with nearly every individual Of them,
and knows their business and their wants. Not so
when he becomes the Representative OF constituency
spread over hundred miles square, not one half OF
whom when they go to the polls to vote tor him. know
him. except the candidate mentioned in the news
n,ners The gentleman said that in Kentucky the
candidates not only addressed the people at the polls
but submitted to be calechsed by them. lie admit
ted that, Kentucky, the people might become nc'
ouanted with their Representative; but could not be
done in ~ York for there the business of sumping was
not known, and the man who would attempt it, for
electioneerng purposes, would be sent oft with flea
in his ear The people would say, 1--WE don't go Tor
men who 90 about begging for our surages, we vote
for modest deserving men, So the principle that
works well in Kentucky, does not work in New York
Mr. b. concluded by few more observations, recapu-
atinc his objections to The amendments of the Senate
Mi ARNOLD said, inasmuch important bill
had been laid aside for this BILL he moved the previous
question.
This motion was carried but, before The question,
"Shall the main question be put:' was PROFOUND
ed to the House
MIR. J. Il. MASON moved an adjournment.
This motion was taken by tellers; who reported 75 in
the affirmative, and 81 in the negative,
So the motion for adjournment was rejected.
Mr. RHE1"T called for the yeas and nays on the
question, "Shall the main question be now put?' but
they not ordered
The House ordered the main question to be put.
The question required upon the motion to concur
with the Senate in their first amendment, increasing
the ratio from 10 TO 70GS0, and resulted in the
ootive-yeas 95, nays liz, rs follows:
nhI n AuuFr inrk An
nssk II"n W p"w" Milton Bown brown Wlam But,
sey Chapman, Chlds John C. Clark, s!a'y n Clarke Coles
Granger. CUISINE Gwn, a Iaisted Hopkins: Houston How
W. Jones" Lane Lewis, Mckay, Mason Thompson
Ma,ssh Navel r Mr, Mht kssd
Renel-r Ridrway VIM Russell Jas NJ Russell sa'ons,ali
s1 T"laierro John Thompson Richard W. honpso Jacob
Thompson Trumbu, Turney, Underwood, Wallace Warren,
Williams, Wis.,. and Augustus Young-95.
.yays-Me-rs Adams Arnold A''srton, Aysrss, Baker'
way Bronsnn Cls Brown, Burke, Bune WIN. o. Butler, G.
W% b. nIs a. aws Sass
rnn Cushing, Davis Richard d. Davis, Dawson Dean,
psPs is e DS John r% cnas Fsy
A. Lawrence Foster Gently, Gidnss. VIM o. Goode, ordon,
onck ular Hudson, L. j. nserso Joseph r. nger,oll
w irwin ". Cost Johnson Keim, Andrew Kennedy John r
Roer Mcclellan MeKemnan McKron Alfred Marshall, May
nard Mrdh Newhlrd Osborne Owscy, Partridge Payne, Zen
detnn Puner Pope Ramsey, benjamin Randall. Alexander
Randall Redns Reyods Rhet Riggs, Rodney Rogers. Roose
welt shaw Siel Simonion, Snyder Sany S'eenrod STRAIT
,on Summers Sumter, Tillnglas 1oand Tomnson, Inpct
Weller Joseph H. White, Jas. W. Williams, Wood, Y"rkc and
! John Ycune-li2,
The question next required upon the motion to con-
Cur with the Senate in their second amendment, giving
an additional Representative to fractions over and above
one ,noety Of the ratio.
Mr. SPRIGG objected to the amendment, chiefly
on the ground that most of the fractions belonged to
the large States.
Considerable confusion peryaded the Hall, at this
moments many gentlemen cnnlending that ii was out
of order to debate the amendment, since the previous
question had been sustained.
MIR. w. G.. JOHNSON asked for the reading of
Washington veto message upon the first apportion'
ment bill.
Mr. STANLY raised the question of order, and in.
qnred whether the previous question did not apPly to
the second amendment of the Senate as we'll as the
| first.
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