The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1842-01-12

/ Mr.. FmLMoaE suggested that the 5O,h rule
Mr.. GLMER rose 10 point OF order. The Char had
not yet decided the point Of order raised and until
hat decision ade, there could be no debate
Air FILLMORE said he wished only to suggest
Mr. GLMER said tina, suggestions were the best OF ar
guments some times.
The CHArR considered the point of order involved,
precisely similar to that raised the amendment oth
gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wise) While he had no
doubt Of the power Of the house to set set apart nhd
for the redemption OF these treasury notes. when they
became due; yet take the fund Contemplated in this
amendment would be necessary repeal existing
law and the smendm emit therefore out Of order
MIR. CLIFFORD said he thought the decision Of the
Chair accordance with the wishes Of the msJo-
ry and would therefore be sustained BY the committee
but he desired say word in defence Of the vote he
would give against that decision What the object
Of the bl II vast provide money for the exgences
Vt the government What the object Of the amend
mest' twas to provide means to discharge the labi
ties incurred when these notes fell due He referred to
the act Of $780, making provision for the public debts OF
the Union the Goth section Of which provided that the
proceeds the sales Of the public lands should be ap
proprated for that purpose This was precisely the
object of the present amendment the only difference
being that necessary to repeal an existing law.
Mr.. TIILINcHAsr said the act OF 1890 to mako a
general provision for the debt Of the Union and to point
out the various sources from whence means might be
drawn In this case was contended that was mere
application Of means in the Treasury, but he could not
acquesce i'll the assertion that the proceeds Of the public
lands was fund OF the United States, but only as
trustee fund.
Mr. maxwell gave notice that if the decision Of the
Chair was overruled, he should offer further amend
men to suspend much Of the compromise act al
lates TO reduction Of duties IL the amendment OF the
gentleman from Ohio (Mr Weller) was in order, that
Certainly would be.
Mr. WISE said if the Chair had decided against his
amendment he would have scquesced, and he thought
that Of the gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. Weler precise
ly similar in effect.
Mr. HoLMrs said if the decision Of the Chair over.
ruled, he should vote against the amendment. For,
though he considered strictly in order yet he deemed
the necessities Of the country pressing disgrace
ful position in W hch she had been placed by the extra
session II demand Of them immediate action.
Mr. GoaDoS coatend,d there could be no incongraity,
and the mt to provide means for its payment
MI CHARLES BRowN enquired II 1t ives not In order
when bill for the issue OF treasury notes was under
consideration TO ser amendment which would lessen
their amount. lie trusted that the gentleman from New
Jersey would also bring in his amendment to stop the
progressive reduction of duties under the compromise
act That, and the repeal Of the Sub.Treasury, with
that economy which was so loudly promised, would do
away With the necessity Of treasury notes
OF the Chair As the reference of the gentleman from
Maine, Mr. Cford to the act OF $780, the proceeds Of
ing fund because the Gen raj had assumed
tho debts of the States 1.-THE committee decided against
ment enjoning it upon this government to assume the
debts Of the States least to the amount of de-
rived from the sales Of the public lands.
Mr.. WILLIAMS, Of North Carolina, said if the amend
ment in order nearly every law on the statute book
might be repealed in the same way. The army might
be dsbanded and the navy dsmanted the plea Of ap
proprating the required for their support to the
redemption Of treasury notes.
Mr. WISE said that while he concurred with his friend
from Mary land mr. Johnson to the irrelevancy Of
the endment he could not acquesce in that portion
Of relative to the assumption Of State debts If he
could show him that the State debts of the present day
that Of Pennsy for instance Of thirty millions for
making canal within her borders-were similar to
those assumed In 1870, which were contracted in
Tor national purposes, he would 60 for assumption
Mr. SMITH of Virginia, held the amendment to be per-
ecy in order The bill proposed to raise means forthe
support OF the government and the amendment contem
plated the appropriation Of the proceeds of the lands
that purpose This money was now in the Treasury,
but under former law could not be touched yet were
that law repealed could De used promptly than
Treasury notes
Mr.PErpIEroN thought gentlemen were in error as to
any money arising from the sales of the public lands
ing in the Treasury the Distribution Law did not 90
into effect until the LIST ofthe present month.
Mr.. A. v. Brown briefly addressed the Committee in
opposition to the decision of the Chair.
The question then taken, and the decision of the
Chair was sustained--ayeg 81, noes 70.
Mr. COOPER then obtained the floor and said he merely
intended briefly to state the which should govern
Tre.uyv nofes e had bereoor. opnosed hill. for
similar purpose, because he considered it nsidious
means Of supply, and calculated to encourage extrava
gance in the public expenditures. If the issuance Of
Treasury notes would not relieve the country gene
rally as loan then the passage of the bill was not adj
relief but relief to the office holders. If loan
thorized and particularly If taken up in foreign
country the proceeds would 60 into the circulation of
the country and produce general relief The dstresses
the country go beyond the Office holders and the peo
pie at large are entitled RELIEF The Van Buren, party
which, though they had repeatedly denied it, he
tended, were the paper money party.
The SrrAKER called the gentleman to order, on the
ground of rreevancy and declared that the RESPONSE
bility Of permitting such course of debate, must rest
with majority Of the House, and not the Chair
Mr. COOPER said he would not have occupied halfthe
time in getting through that portion of his remarks if
he bad not been interrupted by the Chair.
The CHAIR said it would take twice the time for
gentleman on the opposite side to answer them
Mr.. COOPER said it oek four times he would be in
order He was going on to show that the Van Buren,
party by their mutpl alton Of State Banks.
The CH,R again called the gentleman to order, the
ground OF levancy
Mr. CoOrrR appealed from the decision of the Chair.
Mr. yaVrto