The daily Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1841-1845, 1842-08-11

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mates for these objects to the amount OF twenty mil
lions
For the Apportionment bill, as IL passed, Mr.
Adams gave their share of credit again TO the Demo
Gratis. 10 many features of that bill he was oppos-
ed but il contained one redeeming cause-that
which establishes the disricting system. The esta-
blishment Of the system was owing, no doubt, to
gentleman from South Carolina, VINO is a Democrat.
1t is the most important portion of the billit is
supplement TO the CONSTITUTIONAL fact the principle
is contained in the Constitution. But how the
bill treated by the Executive Ii was approved but
the approval was masked veto.
The Tariff completes the system devised by the Wing
party for the relief OF the country Two Iari bills
have been vetoed by the President for reasons no doubt
satisfactory himself lie has now assured the power
TO levy ship money and 10 fix the value OF goods
when the law says the value must be fixed by Con
gress. II uries to decide whether the Executive
has he power to collect the ship money, MI ADAMS
said, he would feel no alarm. But If the decision Is
to be left to the Supreme Court, he would not feel SO
secure he remembered the decision given by the court
in the of Hanpden
Mr.. ADAMS then adserted briefly to the subject OF
Distribution, and IN conclusion predicted that IL the
next Congress should be, anticipated by some
Democratic il would harmonize with the Executive
no better than the present one.
lie moved that the Message should be referred to
Select Committee OF thirteen.
Dir. MORGAN obia aimed the floor
But Mr.. Eos TER rose to question OF order
ne reference OF the SUBJECT 10 the Committee nc CON
sdered 10 be IN CONTRADICTION to the Constitution
That instrument presclbes the form of proceeding
when bill IS returned by the Executive.
The CHAIR stated, that the decision OF the dili-
Guilty must be left the House. The point OF order
was not raised under he rules of the House.
Mr. CUSHING asked what was the motion made
by his colleague
The motion read by the clelk.
Mr., CUSHING then said what was the motion
pending when my colleague moved the reference AS
understand the matter, the question was, VIII the
House pass the bill Now this question must take
precedence. You must act on the bill The Message
already the journal and out of the power OF the
House. ga act on the bill and not on the Mes
sage
Mr., UNDERWOOD gave his views on the ques-
ton of order.
The SPEAKER said that in looking the au-
thorit'es he had discovered precedent. In 1852,
Veto Message from General Jackson had been re-
ferred to Committee, and the result was that the
COMMITTEE had never repo ted on it
Mr.. ADAMS modified his motion by inserting The
word bill
Mr.. WISE said the Constitution is paramount law
for this House, and it gives the rule for settling
this question Iii precise in ITS language III speaks
of the objections-whch word Is synonymous WIN
message-n the plural number and 1t speaks OF the
bill in the singular The message has already been
disposed of by the House,-t is spread on the Jour
nal already. The bill yet remained to be acted on,
what does the Constitution say? Why, that the Pre-
sdent " shall return If (the bD with has objections
to that House in which it shall have orlglnated VINO
shall enter the objections at large on their Journal
and proceed to reconsider IT." The word reconsider
has technical meaning, and in that meaning Is APP
Piled TO the bill To reconsider Is by no means syno
nymous with the word to refer or 10 commit Accord
ing to the requirements OF the Constitution we must
reconsider the bill and not refer it. But supposing
the reference consttutional-the motion to recons-
der according to Parliamentary law would take the
precedence. But why refer the message TO com
mtlee. What object would be gained by that course.
This is method to smother the whole matter
Subjects referred to committees often sleep the sleep
of death there.
A motion made to lay the repeal on the table,
| and carried by vote of JOG to 81.
Mr.. ADAMS said that he had modified his motion
by inserting the word 4" bill" This done at the
suggestion of friends But convinced that the Mes
sage took the bill with it, he withdrew his moditca-
ton so as to refer the Message only to the Select
Committee.
Mr.. WISE rose to a point of order He would
cite to show the Message should not be refer
red and it the cited by the Speaker IN Just
ficaon of his decision He renewed the appeal from
the decision of the Speaker, rather appealed from
| the decision as bearing the new case brought W
by the modification proposed by the gentleman from
| Massachusetts. In 1892, bill passed both Houses
Just before the close of the session. and within less
than ten days before the adjournment 1t was sent to
| the President At the next session message with
out the bill was sent 10y General Jackson, informing
| the House that the bill had failed to become a law
The bill was not vetoed-the bill was not returned
An explanatory message was sent, and that message
was referred to a committee. This is the precedent
on which the Speaker has relied in his decision The
case is not parallel with the present one In that
there was no Veto-here there is one. He made
these remarks to correct the Speaker lie then
raised the point of ORDER that the bill must be con-
sidered first and the Message disposed OF after.
Mr.. FILLMORE, after brief reply, moved to
Law the reneal on the table. The motion prevailed,
without count
MIR. MORGAN to point of order. He
mentioned this at the outset, he said, so that he
might not be deprived of the floor.
After proceeding few moments without mention
ing his point Of order, he was stopped. lie then
moved the previous question. There second.
The SPEAKER announced the question to be the
motion of reference made by Mr.. Adams.
Mr.. ATIIERTON rose to point OF order. lie
wished to know whether the previous question DID
not bring the House to vote on the reconsideration
of the bill
The SPEAKER replied in the negative
Mr. COOPER, of Georgia, made point OF order,
which was overruled--that the main question is that
which the House is obliged by the Constitution to
act
Mr. JOHNSON, of Maryland, also raised point
of order which being overruled; he appealed The
appeal, on motion OF MIR. filimore' was iau Oh 'ie
table
Aftera statement made by the Speaker in reply to
question from Mr.. Gimer, that the bill could be
taken up by vote of the majority, the bill was lad
on the table by vote of 81 to So
Sundry Executive documents were read and sew
eral Senate bills referred
The House then went into Committee OF the
Whole; Mr. Hopkins i'll the Char, and acted Oh varl-
Gus bills. At late hour the Committee rose and
the House Adjourned.
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