The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1842-12-31

hear il small was then called away to execute some
order Before going howe.er Spencer told him that he
have further conversation with him relative their
plans and desired Small to that oretopman in the
time He did not say what oretopmsn. Small then
left. Spencer then made overtures me; told me il
would join he would give the Office OF third in com.
mand; he then went to state that the had
large amount of money board this he said with what
the Purser had would make a pretty little to com
mence with. He then asked Inc what thought of the
proposal gave him to understand that was favorable
to the project and thought it prudent to dissembe; my
duty then called me Spencer remarked to that
we would have another interview the morrow and
then he would show this plan of his he followed
out as lar as the gaHgway saying if sped syllable of
dered he did not do himself those connected with
him wouldgo where might my life would be worth
a straw. Then took means
GLOW long did the conversation last
A-About an hour, perhaps two; We were sitting
the middle Of the boomsi recolect conversation
curing In relation to Mckenzie what have stated is all
that occurred this occasion; then embraced every
opportunity OF giving the information to Commander
Mckenzie; was moonlight think; it was ght and
about nine o'clock; Spencer went down; proceeded aft
as far as the cabin intended to communicate the matter to
Commander Mckenzie; observed Small watching me
very closes die not then go down into the cabin but
went back; Spencer was in a hammock the birth
doors thought would to the ward ROOM but Spencer
put his head, and asked me what the devil about
cruising there's about hour after went 10 the seerage
door, but found Spencer still awake previously had
gone the birth deck my idea was to get into he ward
room; the lights out in the ward room, and the
officers had all retired; then let it till morningdid
go to Sleep however, tried but could not Sleep
in the morning. as soon as could get in, about
Huyskill.
a-Did you '0mmuni'a cit to him in full or o0nden'e
Al first told him there war mutiny on foot, and re
quested that might come TO the Of the commanders
went to the first Lieutenant and told him that Mr. Huy
skill wanted to him in the wardroom was watched
very closely by Spencer Small and Cromwell and by
Wilson and MKney; was watched as closely as could
be- believe they thought playing them false;
the evening quarters Mr.. Spencer confned endea-
vored to get another interview with him. but i'm
possible; he engaged with Green oretopman
arrested the evening of the 26th November; the
name Of foretopman BENJAMIN f. Green; he was en-
gagged with him pretty much the whole of the morning;
Green apprentice board Spencer then put
in irons the captain asked him il such thing had occur.
red, and he said there had.
Q-Had you, previously to the arrest of Mr.. Spencer,
heard anything7
them.
Q-After the conversation had you Spencer talk
ing with any number together
Ayes, sir had seen him converse with Cromwell
Small, Nevil Wilson, and Mckinley they all col
ected together and stood by the Jacobs ladder
the gangway and could not hear of the
the conversation was carried in the usual tone
Mckenzie and Spencer the quarterback before spen
arrested far as recoect the commander
said that he he apred to the command of that
vessel and did not know how he to accomplish his
object unless ride the dead bodies Of the off
GERS heard Mr. spencers say Yes sir" and then was
ordered away to get up some irons.
Q-Did you get up the irons7
Ayes, sir and brought them deck l saw the
swerd Of Spencer taken away from him and irons put
Spencer submitted willingly at the time the irons
busy about the ship believe there were some
men on the quarterback stationed by the gun the off,
were called aft Spencer taken the larboard
launches; that all that remember particularly then
was about o'clock could dissatisfaction ex.
stng among the men we had to give orders once or
twice, and then they were obeyed with muering he
slept in the next hammock he ordered deck and
he went on deck mutterng also sawthe others collect
together viz: Wilson, McKie and Mckinley they
talking among themselves the orecastle could not
hear the substance of their conversation this surlness
continued the day, and general on the follow.
Cromwell and n af.
ter the arrest of Cromwell the disaecon continued
saw signs made between the prisoner and his
friends; Cromwell lay the chest and he got
up; told him if any further manifestations were
made to me would shoot him down saw Wilson aft
he drew kind Of handspke from the deck and told him
If saw him make any further signs would strike him
dead | expressed my fears to commander Mckenzie
irons saw Spencer trying baeaxe with his hand he
was apparently trying to how he could work it with
his hands communicated it to the commander and he
had them removed that morning all four Of them missed
their mukets they kept round the Of the launch
and did not attend to their muster that day morning
they came forward and put in irons after they
in irons there still dissatisfaction when the orders
were given they went to work surly about it this dis
satisfaction kept till the men were executed then
observed marked changes those who surly at
first were then the to first to do anything after
the arrest Of Mr. Spencer and previous to his execution
think the dissatisfaction had been increasing much
that could see it from day to day. think about half the
crew exhibited dissatisfaction ; probably more | was
and Mr.. Spencer converting I heard Mckenzie ask
Small to forgive Mr. Spencer Spencer said Small for
spencer,
that Of having brought to this :; Mckenzie said
something like "Don1 60 out of the world with any
bad feeling" Small said. "since you request il,
Gansevoort then took leave of him Mckenzie said what
against me that you should not bid good bye;
Small said, nothing sir but did think you would bid
good bye to POOR fellow like and then babe him good
bye he took McKenzies hand and shook very cordial
y; heard Small say God bless that flag, he looked up
to the ag he asked permission of his commanderto ad
dress his shipmates which leave granted him. the
words cannot recollect but heard him them of his
th.fh
right that he should die he then asked Mr. Spencer
ii he ready to die he said Spencer had asked
hecould not give the orders as Spencer passing to
the gangway Mckenzie stood close by me- Spencer came
up to me and said, "Mr Wales, hope you will sincerely
forgive me for tampering with your fdely2" replied
that did, and hoped that God would forgive hm he then
babe me FAREWELL and went again TO the gangway had
no conversation with any other of them; have heard
Spencer frequently speak against Commander McKenze
the first conversation was in Africa at Magarado going
shore in the boat, 18th November was with him;
Spencer officer ont boat; he cursing the can
tain; think Mr.. Rogers was in the boat ohe comman.
der told him he not in uniforms he had blue dress;
he just going the side the commander made
the observation; he muttered something which could
not understand after had got in the boat and about
thirty yards from the vessel the captain hailed the boat
and ask we had the American ensign board Spen
replied that he had not got then the captain
could not hear it, ''lm God damned If I'm going back
after t-you damned old hunbug-go to hell y
He continued cursing, and the boats crew seemed
pleased by it they were laughing think Mckinley
in the boat and Golderman but will be Of that;
this boat was the second CUTTER this all that took
place at that time About two weeks before he made
known his plansto me the voyage romMagarado st.
Thomas, Mr.. Rogers sung out to let 60 some brace.
Cromwell the boatswans Of the watch. one
paid attention to the order He called again and again.
three times, believe. Mr.. Rogers came forward and
gave orders to the themselves. Mr. Rogers in
charge Of the vessel. The near Mr. Rogers
as was Capt Mckenzie noticed it, and sent for Mr.
Spencer to come aft. did not hear the
tween them but when Spencer came forward again. he
was muttering curses against Commander Mckenzie.
said "Spsncer, what's the matter % Says he, "The
Commander saws don't pay attention to my duty and re-
quests me hereafter to pay attention to it," He said
God damn him-I should like to catch him some night
on that round house and plunge him overheard II would
be pleasing task for and I'll do yet" He then
forward. left and went below. He speaking at the
time to four fve We have had many ersations
relative to his schoolboy times. was not the
time that they were mntinous expressions There
other officers present think they must have heard it,
The purser and he had dspute the called hetry
sail mainsail he made KIND of vessel with black flag