Vermont watchman and State journal. [volume] (Montpelier, Vt.) 1836-1883, 1841-10-18

and suggested the eXIIedency Of cutting ter out
] did not communicate nay views on the su'Jeci
TO Alexander Mcleod or any Other than those a
bovenamed nor could Mcleod have Known H.,
TO the best Of my knowledge.
have no recollection OF being IN Davis tav-
ern or any other tavern, the day after the burning
of the Caroline or at any other time during my
STAY at Chippewa nor did see Mcleod there TO
the best OF my recollection, any day after the
burning of the Caroline.
| was present at the burning Of the Caroline,
ard was actively engaged in fitting ont and ar.
ranging the expedition There were exactly a.,
neither more nor less, in the five bons that reuch
ed the Caroline. There may have been as many
as ~ in the two boats that did not reach her
took very active part in setting fire 10 the Caro-
line. | returned in the same boat | embarked in,
but all the men did not return in her. Capt. An
drew Drew commanded one boat Shepard Nc
Corinick, Lieut.. in the r. NJ, another; Christie
pher Bier another; McGordon another; and the
Hon. John Elnlsley another. Messrs Hector aud
Bauerby commanded the two boats that did moi
reach the Caroline. There was no man named
Mcleod in the expedition. The crews OF the
four other boats on the beach when land
ed, and the whole were Immediately mustered,
and the mes taken down. did not see the
names taken down, but left a person in the act Of
doingit There were none OF the regnlnr army
- some of the navy. They volunteered for the
occasion, learning that their services were requir-
ed for secret expedition. Capt Drew was the
only person in uniform. They were armed with
sabres pixies cutasses, and pistols. \ cannot say
where they were procured. Upon landing al
Chippewa the force separated, md went to their
respective quarters. Resistance was made by
the persons on board the Caroline. Some Of
them had weapons, but whether all had cannot
say. There were fire arms. saw pistol in the
hand of one person, who snapped it at one of
our men. Another had rifle gun aud fired
l,... .Nft hnI
The ball passed between Capt. Drew and myself
The person who fired it cried "rurn out boys the
enemy are comingw "What boats are there
Give the countersnn!" And then he fired. |
think saw other weapons in the hands OF people
on board the Caroline, but cannot describe them.
Fire arms were discharged from the direction Of
a white house not far from the wtarf--posslbly
go or 70 yards of. l cannot cay whether they
used any swords or pixies or other military weap-
ons The boat had no cannon mounted. | saw
no cannon, arms, munitions OF war, or military
stores on board the Caroline. | am not aware
that any one was killed on board.-One OF them
had a sabre cut, who, believe was put on the
wharf by some Of our men. l did not kill or
wound any person, nor did see a wound nllct-
ed. discharged no gun nor pistol, ha ring none
with me. The were all driven ashore from
the Caroline before she was cut loose Capt.
Drew's orders were to drive them on shore, and TO
hurt us few as possible, and TO cast her of from
the wharf previous to setting fire to her. | was
not IN the warehouse at all, nor do know that
any of The attacking pnrty went in. Mcleod
never spoke to me, nor to any person in my hear
ing, on The subject. do not know that he ndvs-
ed, either directly or indirectly, in the destruction
of the Caroline nor do l believe he ever did.
There was no pilot employed. The order gwen
to Capt. Drew 10y SIR A. McNab was given in pri-
vaie at his head quarters in my hearing. No other
person present. 1t was not Il request, but a
command
Deposition of Ed,oard Zealand, of the to,on o.
Of Hamilton, aged As years. know Alexander
Mcleod, and have known h IN since January or
February, 1888. but was moi acquainted with INN
prior to that. ] recolIect the destruction of the
Caroline, aud was at Chippewa Creek. The per
sons engaged were an hour or Two making prep
arutons for it, was assisting, bur had no opp r.
tuuity of observing the persons e0gaged, except
those in the boat was in. do not know where
Mcleod was ut that time. He not the
boat with me, nor was he in my immediate neigh
borhsod l went in the boat commanded by
Capt. Drew. Mcleod was not in our boat, nor
did see him on return TO Canada from
Schosser. | was on board the Caroline The night
Of her destruction, aft in the cabin, OIL the lar
beard side.
got OH hoard about the same time with The
other assuans, and was nearly the last to ev
her. did not see Mcleod among he ASSISTANTS,
and do not believe he was among them. There
was dead man lying on The dock at Schosser,
but he was not conveyed there. He met his
death during the attack on the Caroline, but do
not know whether he was shot on board the Car
oline or on the dock. think the shot that struck
him was rom the direction of the tavern or store.
He could not huve been conveyed on shore without
my knowledge. ! Eaw The men engaged in the
expedition on their return to Chippewa, but did
moi see Nc Leod among them, and believe he was
not there. Seven boats started five reached the
(,ar,,l;na and FIVE rpturnPh almost COmDaDV
know Sir A. McNab, but do not know where he
was when the expedition started. did not hear
him give any orders, nor do know by whose
command the expedition started. ! have no
doubt it was started by Sir A. A.cNab.
Knowing Capt. Drew to have been in the navy,
do not think he would have entered upon 1t IN
less properly authorized TO do so, and on that
count joined. Capt Drew commanded, but
do not know by whose ORDER
Cross eIamined.-l was not attached to any
vessel at the time, but was in charge OF the boats
and Marines at Chippewa. The day before the
expedition think | saw Mcleod on reconnoil-
ering party, but | heard him say nothing Oh the
subject then at any other time. went round
Navy Island in boat with Capt Graham the da,
before the burning of the Caroline, and think
Mcleod was in the boat, but am not sure. On
that occasion the people oil The Island fired at u'
constantly with grape shot. An expedition was
mentioned TO me about hours before il started
bu did not know that the Caroline was The OBJ
ject, nor did know il until the time of starting
Mcleod was not present when it was mentioned
TO me- did not discover that the Caroline wa;
at Schlosser until found she was not Navy
Island. Mcleod did not inform me Of the fact
/ had no conversation with him during my stay
at Chippewa. | was NJ the burning of the Caro-
line. | think there were 100 men the shore
when we embarked. Fly or sixty persons were
engaged in The enterprise and assisted in the de
sruclion of the Caroline did moi know then
all, hut observed the faces of n do not
know thai any man 10y the name Of Mcleod was
among them. | believe none belonged at tina
time 10 the army or navy, but some had previous
~. considered that we put ourselves under
military orders. More volunteered than were re-
auired, and we were not paraded in military style
before embarking. This witness agreed with the
others us to The dress and arms of The party.
None of the assailing pauy were killed.