The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1841-07-17
In SENATE,

OF citizens oil New DIRK city, held In the Park at that
CITY, few days since soliciting the interference OF
tins Government for the release OF those American ciil-
Gems now British prisoners of State at Van Diemans
Land lie SAID the resolutions entirely mild
and temperate and he moved that they be printed and
referred 10 The Committee on Foreign Relations which
motion carried
MIR TALLMADGE presented memorial of ciii-
zens Of New York city, and one of citizens Of Rich
land, Oswego county, New York, for Bankrupt law
which were LAID on the table
The resolution of Mr. BUCHANAN was taken up,
calling the President for list at removals Of pub
lie officers since 4th March, 1871 with amendment
offered by Mr. MANGuM, calling, also for a list Of
movas aud appointments from 9TH March 1929, to
18th March, 1871.
The amendment adopted and MIR. BENTON
inimating desire 10 speak the subject at his re-
quest the resolution was laid over
Mr. CLAY, of Kentucky, said he would be very
glad u Senators would consent generally and unani-
mously 10 take up the Loan Bill from the House as
the necessities OF the Treasury such as 10 req
speedy action on this subject
Mr. CALHOUN hoped the Senator from Ken
lucky would no, press this They bad been engaged
Tor some time on another subject and he hoped dis
pose OF II before this was taken up.
Mr. CLAY had quite much repugnance to post
poning the Bank Bill the gentleman had; but if
gentlemen would reflect moment and the con
don OF The treasury, they would perceive that there
was an imperative necessity 10 act the Loan BIZ
lie begged Senators the other side as II as Sc
majors generally, 10 recolect that there will be expen
dures during this year not less than twenty -four NIL
Ions dollars independent OF new appropriations that
Is, two nil ions per month; aud he informed
from statement he had from the Treasury that there
was al the command of the Treasury the 18Th inst
but about nine hundred thousand dollars which
not sufficient to last more than fortnight Now, if
the Loan Bill could pass, was evident that il ought
10 pass not only speedily on account OF meeting the
wants OF the Treasury but another obvious reason
that some time should be given TO contract he loan
or portion of 1t which shoNll be considered
ry. He hoped therefore, that gentlemen would allow
II 10 taken up this morning. but they objected he
gave notice that he should move to take up
as they got out of Executive business.
MIR. CALHOUN WISHED to know why, if the
ccssiy was urgent, The Loan bill had not been press
ed on them before. The Bank BILL the Land bill and
other measures, had been pressed on them and he
wished now to let this matter he over till the sub
ject under consideration disposed of and them If
the necessity existed which the Senator from Ken
tusky had spoken OF, he would propose another pro-
poston-or committee TO bring in bill for the tenn
porary issue of Treasury notes 1t could pass lmme
datey and afford relief much sooner than by the Loan
| bill
MIR, CLAY had stated to the Senate, at the com
mencement Of the session, that should he behind
the IIouse,-and that was their condition What
was then said g No No We shall have plenty of
time How stood the matter now The House
had passed the Loan bill, the Pension bill land the
Fertilization bill, which were now their table and
they would have all the important bills from he House
hi, brough, in earlcrl But really from The causes
which he would not state, they had not been able to
get along with business That the truth, that the
minority controlled the business and as to the gen
tlemans proposition-could he be serious IN II =
| {" CertalGly-certany )" said MIR Calhoun) No
Continued Mr.. Cay,) 90 for old fashioned
loan, 10 let he people how much the Government
in debt they ought TO understand it, and II the
gentleman persisted IN his objections he Mr. Cay)
must give notice 10 move to take up the bill, as coon
| ms thpyr mn ont nf E'xpr NJ,
MIR CALHOUN asked why the Loan bill was not
| taken up before the Land bill IN the House And
| they US to force down our thfoats, what
oil jet to--a flnd,d permanent debt Between
the schemes, the Treasury notes were infinitely
superior and would afford relief much more promptly
The House of Representatives had got before them
but by what means BY destroying the liberty OF de-
bale-by assang the right Of speaking-hy lnsti-
tuting most dangerous rule, by which the minority
held the right of utterng word only at the per-
mission of the majority lie objected 10 the system of
achnery by which this had been carried on,
MIR. CLAY said the Senator had asked why the
Loan bill was not sent here sooner from the House,
He would refer him to the House tor answer, As 10
The complaint about the destruction of the liberty OF
debate by the House he had waited expecting 10 hear
the President OF the Senate call the Senator To order
for alluslon IN tins manner 10 the House, 50 far from
its being want of freedom of debate, Ivy the rule OF
the House he vcn,urc TO say that this country, from
end to the other would approve OF and tor one
he was ready at this moment, to morrow or any time
and he was sure they would hnd 1t utcessary-to
resort to similar He had seen very good OBJ
servaton in payer published IN Boston, being an
answer to The complaints of some paper belonging to
the Opposition. about the ablidgemcnt of the fecdom
of debate by this rule. The editor very properly re-
marked, that there was no abndgement OF the tree
dom OF debate but of the length of spec ch =
abriIgemcnt which he (Mr. Clay though, the people
would hail one OF the great Improvements and
form the transaction Of public business Here they
had been three weeks and they told by the other
side If they would let them 20 with their amend
ments, they would be able to get through by Saturday
night and then one of the great mca, ures not
gone through no. no for they were told that after
all these amendments are gone through, then IL TO
the work of discussion, and that all prior
t. tins has been merely preliminary. If this debate
going to take place. after three weeks and a half
had elapsed, in the consideration OF amendments, he
thought the people were not gong soon To complain
account of stopping speeches. One OF the wIse,t and
most intelligent men he had ever seen, made remark
that sensible could Tor his life speak sensbly on
any question whatever, longer than quatter of an
hour They gave an hour in the other House; and
this allowed 10 every one of / PIG members, they
would what time II would take to debate every
question. Noone of the great grievances which the
peopc had To complain Of was the unnecessary pro-
traction of debae-the consumption of public time
increased expenditures, andthe deuy aud njuy which
the country abors under; and II would he no gnev-
# Congress, under the operation OF such rule
having dispatched all the public business apperlan
ing to IT, return home, IN two or two and a halt
months.
MIR KING was not a little amazed that the Senator
from Kentucky got up here and talked about the con-
sumption of time-ahout three weeks and a half
spent on this bill Dad he no, know that hi friends
had consumed most Of the time and now they were
told that the Senator was prepared TO enforce gag
law on the Senate Well sir, let hun attempt IT,
MIR CLAY | Will and tell the senator whenev
or he does he will find, far from taking the ques
ton under consideration, he may make his orange
ments at ms boarding place Tor upy
not going to submit TO any species of dlctallon
from any quaiter, such was held out by the Sena