The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1841-09-11

Mr. McKEoN continued and concluded bis speech
in favor of coneurring with the Senaies amendment
striking out the item for mission to Naples insist
ing on the fact that the Neapoltan Government had
no charge here and taking the general ground that
ought to retain permanent foreign missions any
where
In reply to an appeal made by Mr.. McKEos 10 the
New York Democrats, not TO vote an appropriation
the effect of which was to supersede Enos Throop,
against whom no charge was brought, Mr. G. referred
to the fact that Mr.. Throop had been honored with
this mission and permitted TO retain II two years, at
ter it publicly objected to him that he had, by his
utter negligence when officer Of the custom house
in New York. permit ed if not winked at the dafal-
cation of Mr. Swartwout, which could not have oc-
CURED had Throop done his duty Instead OF wear
ing those diplomatic honors abroad, he should have
been here demanding an investigation into the char
ges against him, and purging bis character from of
Mr.. McKEoN inquired whether the removal of
Mr.. Throop was put by the Administration on that
Mr. GUSHING did not answer for the Admins
raton he spoke of what he knew at least SO far as
the evidence presented to his notice went 1t was all
in support of the truth Of the charge. The gentle
man from North Carolina Mr., Stanly) had more than
referred to the and dema nded an investga
ton Of it.
Mr. G. went into general argument in its favor, re-
ferrng to what he had before said referring to the
almost ntolerable burdens to which commerce with
Naples was now subjected, and to the probability,
some time since, that commercial treaty would be
effected. The Neapolitan Minister under whom this
arrangement seemed almost completed had fallen into
disgrace with his sovereign and been removed from Of
fee which suspended the negotiation but ne had re-
Gently been restored and the last advices held ont the
prospect Of renewal Of them, with fair hopes OF
Mr. G. insisted that this was of all points of time
the most unsuitable to break up the mission.
Mr.. STEENROD pressed fol the question, ex-
pressing desire to speak upon it but being will
ling to waive the floor if the question could be had
Amidstlo cries for the question
Mr.. WISE addressed the committee, observing that
he should do so had he not feared that amidst the
excitement occasoned by the reception of the Veto
Message, the remarks of the gentleman from Massa-
ohusetts Mr.. Cushing had not been heard or attend
ed to. i...A
Mr.. w. took substantially the same ground that
Mr.. Gushing had, going more fully into the details as
to the extent and nature of our commerce with Ma
Piles, the value and importance of commercial treaty
to the interests Of every part Of the unlon and the
necessity in the present aspect of our affairs, OF hav
he Of s agent VIZ az hs minister
at the Sublime Porte, although the Sedan Kept none
in this country. The same might be said Of several
of the South American Republics. We were now
the third Commercial Power in the world, and our
navigating interest ought to be cherished and fostered
with the ntmest solcitude. We ought rather TO en-
large and place upon grand scale our foreign COM
mercial agencies throughout the world. s.t
y Mr.. ADAMS conplimented Mr.. Wise on the zeal
he had manifested particularly as to the extension OF
our commercial relations. Mr.. A. said that ne mad
few words to add to what had been so well said by
the gentleman from Virginia He would add that this
question Of the continuance of mission to the court
Of the Two Scilies had been settled once already al
ter pretty long debate. motion had been made by
gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. lngersol) to
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and for Sardinia but it rejected and in that state
the bill had gone to the Senate. The bill now came
back with of these two items stricken out and the
other retained. No reason was given for this dlffe-
renee and would the House, after it had deliberately
refused striking out both missions, now consent to
abolish one of them simply because the Senate had
stricken it out of the appropriation bill Mr. A. re.
minded the committee that when the question had
been up before he had advocated both appropriations
on the general principle that when an appropriation
for foreign mission was recommended by the Execu-
tive Department, which was the Department charged
with the manageentof our negotiations with folegn
powers was, of course, the duty of the House to
make the necessary appropriations unless there existed
the strongest reasons TO the contrary. Mr.. A. said
he knew Of no in the present case to weaken
the force of that principle. The Senate had not de-
cared the mission improper but it refused the money
to sustain it.. Mr.. A. knew Of for refusing
the Neapolitan which would not equally apply to the
Sandman mission. Indeed, the Chairman of the
Committee ON Foreign Relations Mr.. Cushing) had
stated reasons to show why the former mission was
even important and necessary than the latter.
Negotiations were now in progress, and with happy
prospects for commercial treaty.
Mr.. A. said he could not express the qualification
with which he had heard the gentleman fron Virginia
(Mr. Wse) speak SO warmly in favor of the extern
sion of our commercial diplomatic intercourse with
foreign nations all over the world. MIR. A. had no
doubt that our commercial intercourse with Naples
might be doubled and trebled by commercial treaty
Such treaty was now, il seemed, about to be made
was in eri, and such being the case, it was obv
ously most improper time to save the $4 BOO outfit
and let our commerce with Naples 60 to the dogs
AS to the objection drawn from the question Of et-
quete that Naples had representative with us and
ergo we should send none there, Mr., A. agreed en-
tirely with what had been said by the honorable chair
man, (Mr. CUsHING.) We held no diplomatic inter
course with foreign Powers for the sake of etiquette
When we had any business with them, we sent mi
MISTER of peace with view to secure our own interests
and TO reconcile Them far as practicable with those
Of the foreign Power. That was the only legitimate
object in establishing any foreign diplomatic mission.
If Naples had any business to transact with this Gov
ern ment in which her interests were involved, he
would warrant that we should have Neapotan mi
mister here and that in short time. But why should
we desire to have representative Of Naples here
So long as could have at Naples it was all our
advantage required and, in such state of things,
the advantage was wholly on our side fer assuredy,
If they sent minister here, IT would be to promote
their interests not ours that long as they were
willing to receive minister from u.s. and treat him in
respectful MANNER it would be absurd and extrava-
CANT in us to take the stand and insist that they must
first send one to this Government. We had here no
magnificent for the reception of such dgntares
we had Just enough of it to allow them to exhibit their
costly uniforms, and all that sort of thing; and we
did not want any more of them. II, indeed, a minis
ter were refused from disposition to insult us OF
treat the nation with indgnity, then we might take
The ground Of etiquette and insist on reciprocity
- ere was no such thing pretended, end why take
gf6und SO absurd ,
Lastly, Why do such thing just at this time, when
we had enough and God knows too much, difference
between the two Houses Of Congress and the Execu
tive He would not add TO that difference, or give
the least preext for widening it. If he could restore
perfect harmony between all the Departments of oul
Government, he would give his life to attain it. He
would not add to the causes Of dissension; and he
hoped therefore, the House would disagree TO the Sc
mates amendment, and insist on the appropriation in
the bill.
Mr.. INGERSOLL said something in reply, the
first part Of which inaudible to the Reporter
When heard, he was observing that the only ground