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eminent was bound TO give him every protection
possible--(cheers from ali parts Of the house.)


The debate in the Commons was opdsied by Lord
Stanley, wh2gave to.hc house rccapitupton Of the
cese as staten by the Canadian authorizes and this
sSyefnmena anaysing At the same lin,ehes cores
Msssrs FSx and Forsyth Lord f ) xserv Sew ,bat
Mcleod wa6 shor lXto undergehis trial, fact which
was calcuafed TO place two great nations ira mos, Sc
RIOTS and critical position as at this moment the life
of British subject may be placed in the greatest leo
pardy in consequence of his having acted by the att
ihorty Of her Maestys government, and by orders
Of the military authorities, 10 obey which was his ne
cossary and bounden duty.
The question, then, which he Lord Stanley wish
ed to putwas ths-that nasmuch as negotiations had
commenced upon the subject of the Turning of the
CarofIV, sncs summary 1888 between her Mnjcstys
Government and the Government of the United States,
he wished TO ask, in the first place, whether her
Majcsty's Government would have any objections TO
lay on the table the entire OF the correspondence
which had takenTfaee upon hesHbtect Of the des.
tructon of the Caroline and, ALSO whether thc dfs.
patches all been received, which had been referred
toby Mr. Fpx in the recent accounts, and particularly
that which has been transmitted on the Z9th OF De-
cember last, announcing the apprehension of Mr.,
Mcleod
He. lord Stanley begged to ask farther whether
her Maicsty's Government had taken any steps 10
ward procuring the release of Mr. Mcleod from his
present confinement and, if SO, whether they would
lay upon the table the nature of those steps and the
correspondence which had passed upon this subject
between the Government Of the United States and her
Malcsty's Ministers! ,
Viscoun, Pamers,on and said, the noble lord
had advertcd at much length to a subject of extreme
interest and which from the great deicacy of its va.
turc, involved considerations o grave and serious
character to two great counties (hear) He Wis.
Panerston) that this house would think
with him that this subject should be touched very
lightly and with great delcacy,,-! hear, hear) with
reference to the statement which had just been inabc
by the noble lord, the member, for North Lancashire
to the proceedings which had taken place relating
10 The subject before them, and the particular circum-
tances which preceded the apprehension of 9Ir.
- LON IDrn eli - Y
Pame, ston) would first answer the question which
the noble lord STANLEY had PIT to him, before be
would state one word IN explanation. lie thought
would not be cxpcd ent IN The present state of the
question TO lay upon the table the correspondence
latng TO the capture and destruction Of the Caroline
unit that corrcsp ndence was brought 10 a final cl Sc
-(iear, hear) ...r ...
He begged to inform the noble lord TINT dispatches
had been received enclosing copies of the correspon
dence which had taken place hetween MIR. Fox and
Nh Forsyth. the Foreign Minister of the United Sta
ties Government. These notes had been already pub
llshed in the American papers, and he, (ViscOnnt
Pnlnerston,) would, of course, have no objection to
lay those documents which had been already publish
ed on the table tlaushther) But this was depar-
ure from what he considered important rule IN re-
gard TO international aiiars-(hear, ar\-nnd one
which might operate njuriously TO national interests,
10 lay before Parliament documents relating 10 pend
Ing discussions. He thought il important to make
with reference TO the notice Mr. Forsyth, oh
servntion The noble lord Stanley had snd that he
believed Mr.. Mcleod not one Of the party by
whom the Caroline had been attacked.
HIS U.ord pamersonss) information went precl-
scv to the same conclusion that he, Mcleod, was
not member Of the party that was concerned in the
destruction of the Caroline but with regnrd TO the
ground taken by Mr. Forsyth in repyine TO Mr. Fox,
he Usord PalmsrstOn) thought II right to say that the
American Government undoubtedly might have con-
sidered this transaction to be deq!i with between the
two Governments, by demands for redress on the
one hand TO be granted refused on the other, and
to be dealt with accordinay or il might have been
considered, rs the British authorities consider pro
ceedings between American citizens on the British
side of the border as matter to be dealt with by the
local authorities,
But the American Government has chosen the form
err course by treating this matter one to be decided
between the two Governments, and this was the
gro nd on which they were entitled to demand redress
from the British Government for the acts OF It's sub
lects lie sure the house would think with HIM
that in matter of ch extreme difficulty, II would be
improper for him 10 enter into any further romaiks OF
observations, and he woul therefore content himself
with ans wering the noble lords questions by stating
those important IA Is which he had then mentioned
Lord Stane, siid that the noble lord who hna jus
| at down had Omitted Ia answer one question wheel
he Lord Stanley, considered to be OF the deepest IN
,crest. That question was whether the noble lore
Palmcrson. had taken any steps, and i 81, wha
those steps weie for the protection and Liberation
Mr.. Mcleod hear, hear,
Nlscount Palmers'on sad that case somcwha
similar in principle to the present was expected abou
year and half ago, and instructions were sent
that time TO Mr.. Fox, on Which he founded the com
course the house would suppose, he trusted, that he
Mniesty's Government had already sent certain in
sirnctlons, but until the correspondence Upon thu
subject had concluded it was impossible to send AM
Instructions that could he fnar. He hoped the hous
would believe that the Government would send to Mr.
Fox such farther instructions NJ they might think
their duty 10 do nj the same time he was not prcpa
ed to state what the nature OF those instructions wa
-(hear)
5 Mr.. HUME in n speech in which he referred to Mr.
Sttv nson letter Of May l8i3, concluded by deprc
eating discussion until all the papers connected VIII
the matter were laid before the house lie wished Il
know what the nature of the communications wa
with Mr.. Stevenson and her Maesys Governmet'
) which hadinduced'him TO act as he had done.
Niscount Palmcrston SAID that he rather though
| that his honorable friend would find in that correspon
dence that Instructions had been given by the Amen
can Government to Mr.. Stevenson 10 abstain fUl
pres sing the subject further (hear0 With regard Il
the letter Of Mr.. Forsyth, he discount Palmersto
begged leayet TO that the case stood thus In tn
case of the American citizens engaged in invading Ca
5 NADIA, the American Government disavuwed the act
of those citizens and stated that the British Govern
: ment might deal with them as they pleased (hea
hear) and there were persons engaged IN this under
| taking who were not IN any degree entitled TO The pro
lection of the United States -(hear.)
But in the other they treated The affair OF tn
Caroline as to he considered as that of the gov
= ernnent, and in fact assumed It to be al ogcther
y Government transaction and not to be left upon tn
, responsibility of individuals. Until therefore The Bri
tish Government disorned those persons concerned Ii
as he American Government had diSaron,d heir ca
tiscns in the other case he concerned Mqt h. Imeri
can Government had adoptat m international respo
i sibiy in the late detention of Mr.. McLeod, an
could not therefore change their ground upon hi
question--(henr, hoar.) 49,
: Sir Robert Peel wished tonsk III, noble lord ques
ton relating 10 mnternffact Hebeeved that, in IN
expednon which had been formed for the destructio
! Of the Caroline certain officers who held commission
IN her Macstys Army and navy-were Concerned 4
that affair md that OF these officers had in tn
execution OF the ordJrs winch were issued, receive
n wounds. 81 J -.r-t ~ -.
!, The question he wished to ask was whether no
v her Mnlesty's Government had thought proper L
Z award pensions 10 those officers corresponding i
J. amount with those which were usually granted fo
r wounds reccvedin the regular ce of her Mcst
n Lord }. Russell snd that he was not aware OF m
pensions HAVING been granted To those officers VIII
were wounded in the exreiinon nrnrs, the nrolinC
u Mr.. O'Conne was sorry that his hon. friend(N'l
Il Huma) had taken such n course because he (Mr O.
u C)nuclN thonght 'hoi this subject ~ events
n there ought 10 he unanmiv Of teelnGthear. hear.
He though, TINT every eSer'ion sinuld he made Il
have Mr. Mel cod saved, as he bad netpi under tn
command Of the officers of her Majesty SCI vrrnmrn
o and it in the strict performance of his duty tina
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