The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1841-12-09


He put il 10 the honorable gentleman IRON ono ;,
he had inferred that the President Of the United
States ever sent that notice Of Blair and Rves 70 me
House annexed 10 his message lie put that ques'
ton TO him as an honorable man. for he knew thai he
was man Of honor did he infer IT, and II he did not,
he would ask him how that conduct IS to be chtrac'
tersed which would lead others TO make such inie'
rencel
Mr. MASON said that the gentleman ought 10
thank him for giving him an opportunity Of making
the ex PLANTATION which he must admit was highly me-
cesssry otherwise this proceeding might 60 10 The
country in an as pect very different hon that IN
which the explanation placed Il. lie was asked ii he
believed that this document wss annexed 10 the mes
sage with the sanction of the President TO which be
would answer that he supposed il was surrepuously
placed there. He surprised at these editors dar-
ing to take such liberty with the President Of the
United States and moi sure but that they might
have obtained the sanction Of connected with
him, who had conniycd at their conduct. lie was,
however surprised at il, than he was at the
strange connections which had lately taken place b.
tween the President and his late opponents. He
would say that the President himself had given
his sanction 10 the proceeding TO which he adyrrttd
but he not satisfied that some one else had not
given il. The late Printers had certainly taken
great and unwarrantable liberty III nppendlng their
notice the Presidents message, ard he thought
such conduct needed some explanation, and an *.
PLANTATION could not harm any body Indeed the gen
tlciDan from Virginia ought TO thank him Tor giving
him opportunity Of making one
Mr. WISE said that he did thank the gentleman
from Ohio--he thanked him sincerely for b prema-
ture and wanton attack on the President of the Un
ted States not for giving him the opportunity of
planning that which required no explanation, he
thanked him for this early manifestation OF DISPOSE
ton make attack on the President Of the Unted
States and would want better proof Of il than Il
state Of feeling which his inquiry and the mode of ii,
exhibited
Mr. MASON. Will the gentleman allow me to
ask him question
Mr. MASON. Will he inform me how it hap.
pened that these printers became possessed of the Pre-
sldenps message SO early as to enable them to have
their copy Of it in the House while it reading by
the CLERK 7
Mr.. WISE would inform the gentleman that the
message got into the hands of these printers precisely
in the same manner that the messages of Presidents
Jackson, Van Buren,, Harrison, and Tyler always
get into the hands Of the printers Of the city papers
They were all furnished with il Gales and seaton,
as the Printers of the House, and the Editor OF the
Madsonan, Printer Of the Senate, got the message
from the President, and Blair and Rives got from
one Of them the printers Of the city papers usually
extend that courtesy 10 each other The paper the
gentleman spoke Of not the message OF he Pres-
dent il was Blair and Rvess private copy Of and
he would further tell the gentleman how that copy
came To be found on the tables Of members Ii was
usual, as the gentlemdn knew, soon the Clerk
commenced the reading OF the message TO lay printed
copies OF it on the tables Of the members Ia enable
them TO read il with him # they pleased Now in this
instance, there not being in the folding sufh
cient number ofcopes printed by Gales and Seaon
give to each member, the deficiency supplied
from the copies printed at the Globe office. This
done BY the pages as matter Of accommodation to the
gentleman adverted TO, was printed on their ac-
count, and not by order of the House and was pre-
cisey such will appear in the genteman's
own village newspaper. The gentleman might
well get up next week with village newspaper in his
hands containing the message, and complain that it
tI,a Il. apl ~
ments Of private individuals As the strange things
on the part Of the President, which the gentleman al
luded he had doubt there parts of his
official conduct which had surprised him. but he
would say TO the gentleman that the charges oreason
and perfdy to his party, which had frequently been
made against that high functonary, about of the
same character with the impuiations the gentleman
had thrown out to-day.
RULES AND ORDERS.
On motion of MIR w. C. JOHNSON, the Hous
took up rhe proposition submitted by him Yesterday in
rel alton to the rules and orders of the House. (and
which is in the following words)
"Resored, That the rules and orders of the Goth
Congress, they at the close of the said Con-
gress, be the rules and orders of this Congress until
others are adopted"
The SPEAKER said he had undersood the gen.
tleman from North Carolina Mr.. Stanly) as with
drawing his motion for the previous question,
Mr.. VIM COST JOHNSON renewed it, re-
marking that, if the House disposed TO organize
il had il in its power TO do so in fifteen minutes or half
an hour from this time II could have rules by which
to govern its proceedings until the requisite nodca
tons should be made and he, for one, was willing
that the consideration Of the whole subject should be
taken up as possible.
Mr., FILLMORE suggested TO Mr. j. SO to modi-
fy his resolution to limit the time during which the
rules OF the last Congress should be adopted, and
provide for taking up for consideration the report of
the Select Committee on the Rules. If the rules Of
tax
for an indefinite time, the notifications required
would be made.
MIR. JOHNSON replied to the suggestion that, If
his resolution wns adopted, he would then take
up fnsfdnfer the consideration of the report of the Sc
ect Committee on the Rules But he was not willing
to specify any particular time TO which the operation
o. The rules OF the 10th Congress should be limited,
because would lead TO discussion and create delay
II would be better 10 have complete set Of rules az
once, and then proceed to modify them.
but, after remark from Mr.. FILLMORE, Mr..
JOHNSON modified his proposition 10 read as fol
lows:
Reso}red, That the rules and orders of the Goth
Congress- as they were at the close of the said Con
gress be the rules and orders Of this Congress until
others are adopted and The report made by the Com
mtee Rules at the last be the special order
of tho day for Thursday next, and each succeeding
day until disposed Of"
Some conversation took place between Messrs
ADAMS, STANLY, PROFIT and the SPEAK
Elk, In relation TO the decision of the Speaker yeser
day, as TO the peculiar application Of the previous
question under the Parliame ntary law and there APP
peafed TO be much misconcepon on the subject. The
con versaiion however very indstincly heard by
the Reporter.
Mr.. JOHN CAMPBELL (prefacing the motion
with remark not heard by the Reporter) moved that
the House do now adjourn.
Mr.. STANLY asked the yeas and nays which
were ordered.
Mr. CAMPBELL Withdrew the motion
And the question recurring the motion Of MIR.
w. Z, Johnson for the previous question
he (heir, 4 L. nnft ha