Morning herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1837-1840, 1840-10-29

O. How late on Saturday night did he call.
"a long pause ,..;.rs
A. The precise hour Ic0nn0ffe tel. lthlnk between
10 and III o'clock
@. Had you seen him before that day?
A. Kis impossible for me TO say
O. How long did he remain at your house
A Long enough for the drafts TO be drawn, or let
O please to state the number of hours he at
your house. the hour that he left IT, as nearly as
you can ...,
s.ness-probably 30 minutes-as near as can recol-
lect
Scme qpibbling here ensued.
Mr. Whiting Please TO answer the question afhr-
matively lfbut half an hour, say so.
A. About half hour near as can recoiect
@ Who else was present that evening at your in
tervew with Mr.. Glentworth.
A | remember one at the time-at the time he
Wi there.
3 O. Had Mr.. Glentwort arrived in this city from
Philadelphia on that day to your knowledge, infor-
A. do not recoNtct that he did.
Whiting That does not answer the whole ques-
tion.
A. Or knowledge.
Whiting -Or information!
A. Or information, any way, you-can-fx-it-
up. don't keep an account oil MIR. Gisntworth's
travels. ~
@. Had he been previously to Philadelphia ON any
business in which you had taken any, and what in
t,rest?
A. / think he had been to Philadelphia.
Whiting.-Is that all!
A. i should like so ask have never been in
teresed in any business Of Mr. Glentworth's
dent " ish to be caught in any trap. l wish to
answer fully -,
way you are permitted to answer is an exception in
your favor to all legal proceedings ever saw; we
give you every indulgence.
Draper-I have nothing to complain OF, sir.
The answer was read. t l.. rr.t ...
Whiting is that all, sir!
A | think he had been to Philadelphia but on
private business of my own, nor at my instigaion'
nor under my ad vice, nor with my knowledge.
Drayer-siop; strike out the latter part mean
to say, did not send him there.
Wh.ting.-Read the qsestion again; and let Mr.
Draper see that it does not pre-suppose Gentworth
WI nj with his knowledge.
(It was read AGAIN.
Draper-I know mean to say don't know
what he was about, because was not there. That
isl mean-I know tchathe told me he was there
for.
whiting.-shall we put that I'M
A. No, sir, because don. 6no,c " hat man tells
G. Had you ever, previous TO this Saturday nigh,
given your drafts to Mr. Glentworth, in exchange
for checks or money, at your house.
A. Not that remember.
q. ID d Mr.. Gltntworth at any time and when
communicate to you the object OF his visit to Pha-
delphia?
iect. He told me one time what he was going on for
partially-stop-yes-what 1t was for.
q. What did he tell you he was going on for:
Here there was an awful pause OF nearly FIVE
minutes.
A. He stated to nae that he ascertained through
his friends in Philadelphia, among them the Elk.
May or, Col Swift that the officers OF the police had
ascertained-had discovered that u very important
arrangement had been made by the then collector
postmaster, Mr.. Ingersoll, and a Mr. Brown,-
thiak this ito send on some 3OU persons TO TINS
city to vote the ocofoco or Administration ticket
That there had been regular private Office opened,
in or near Chestnut street, vhere men were taken,
bargained for, and sworn 10 come TO this city and
vote. And that il was utterly useless for the wing
party to attempt the election unless these
men were prevented from carry ing out this trade
That he had earned through Col Swift the names OF
some of his old officers and had obtained from them
the knowledge OF the fact-ds ne satd hdtts-that
thew the officers were the only persons " no could
dstect-coud detect them. And they could do so, as
they had all the paricuars-had seen the oath, list
of names, and understood the entire operation.
Wniting-Is that the answer!
Drsper-Yes, sir
Whiting read the question to him again and then
the answer
The question was read
Draper-Stop-P add" For the purpose Of de-
tecting these men, And he farther added, she
said he was going for the purpose of max ing ar
rangepests to bring on men to identify and detect
illegal voting-illegal voters-who are referred TO
above. .
Q Did you believe at the time this statement OF
Glentworihs and that the gentlemen named as being
concerned in that business, were so engaged
n
A | thtn believed that there had been bargain
made for Illegal votes by the opponents Of the Wing
party; and | believe no,c that such an arrangement
was made. shall not give any opinion as to the
precise individuals who were engaged in ii, without
a more thorough investigation. l have nothing but
rumor to add 20 the testimony-no farther than Mr.
Glentworth saying so to me. His say so was con-
sidered sufficient call for this examination; whe-
thcr il is to be taken in evidence against the indivi-
dusls, leave the public to Judge.
Whiting The ques is not answered. i want
answer.
Draper-Ye., I believed the statement at that
time of Mr.. Gentworth.
Whiting You belle we'd that Glentworth hal re-
ceived that informationl
O. Did you believe that those gentlemen were en-.
! J.. shall give no opinion about that. believed
wnat Glentworth said
q. Aboutthose gentlemenl
A. believe what said.
q. want answer.
A. don't want to tay.
q. One of those gentlemen Is since dead. Did he
believe IL at the tmel be either did or did not.
A. Those gentlemen are respectable men, standing
high-so don't want TO believe thai they went from
city to city collecting votes. believe that they
knew Of the general arrangement for bargaining Tor
illegal votes-thas IL was so-that they were cogni-
zant Of it, l believed the general subject don't
want to impcate men standing as they do before the
community. Those were the statements made to
me by Glentw orth, and those statements acted.
q. Did you not disbelieve that Mr.. Ingersoii and
the gentlemen named were engaged in such An ar
rargement
Draper Il appeal to the court TO know whether
am bound TO give my opinion Of men, two years ago,
whom did not know.
Recorder The question has a legal bearing, sir.
A. 7 do not remember, then, sir, what my opinion
was at that tme in reference to any Of the individu-
ais named, except as they were inclsded in the
statement made 10 me BY AR. Glenfworth.
Draper.-Does that suit you, sir
Whiting. -Anythipg suits me, sir, that's your an
swer.
The answer was read.
Whiting lis that the only answer you can give
Draper-I might give fifty.
Whiting .-Is that all you can sive7
Draper don't remember what my belief is
That there was a general arrangement, believed
and that these gentlemen might know something OF
it,
wbiting. welwrite that down as your an
swer, sir1