The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1839-12-17
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

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The Senate met pursuant 20 adjournment, and, after
tbs reading Of the Journal sdioufnsd
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
FaIDAY, Dec. Is, 1889.
Al ~ o'clock this day the members elect Of the
House Of Representatives came order the call Of
their chairman The Hon. JOINS Q. ADAss.
And The Journal Of yesterdays proceedings having
been read
Mr.. WISE moved to amend i, in ihs, part which 70.
lated the Protest presented yesterday by the gentle
man from New Jersey (Mr. Randolph) on the pan Of
those who, holding the Governors commission, had
been deprived Of their right 10 vote on the preliminary
question concerning the organization OF the House.
The Journal described that protest paper purpor
ing to be protest. instead Of inserting the paper ITSELF
which formed part and portion Of MI Randolphs mo-
ton. The Clerk had undertaken TO do this, but Mr..
w denied his right. Suppose Mr.. w. should oder
resolution which the House should ultimately reject
had the Clerk any right n ournalzng the fact 10 state
that Mr.. Wise, Of Virginia, offered paper purporng
10 DO resolution for certain object. instead Of insert
ing the words Of the rcsoluionl Surely not He in
sisted that when resolution offered Il must APP
pear the Journal TO spesk Tor ITSELF and not IN the
words Of another Aud tho same principle applied in
this case,
Mr. VANDERPoEL said that the House had not
rejected the protest. but the motion Of the gentleman
who presented it, that it be spread upon the Journal
II no objection had been made, t would, call for
the yeas aud nays. have gone the Journal mat
ter Of course. But the House had expressly decided
that il should not 60 there Now, after this, had the
Clerk any right to place there, aud thus make void
resolve Of this House Was It for hun TO cay. not
understanding The psto Of the House. will spread u
the record Surely not: and he had no other way Of
avoiding pspable disrespect 10 the House than by
doing Just he had done Must the record still be de-
filed with such document after expressly TO the
contrary rt
Mr.. WELLER moved the previous question but,
the demonstrates Of Mr.. Dsomgoole icithdrew his
motion.
Mr. CHINN said he wanted Information on the point
Of order hc wished 10 hear from the older members Of
the House what had been the practice in cases Of this
Kind
Mr. DRoMGooLE said he presumed that, accord
ing to,hc rule aud practice heretofore the Journal had
been submitted to the Chairman previously TO its being
read the House, and having passed the ordeal Of his
correction, was TO be taken for granted that nc APP
proved Of us FORM But he had precedeuts to show,
which would Justify the Clerk in what he had DONE He
then cited the Journal Of Congress for the Of
1922, 10 show that although protest had been offered
BY Mr. Garrett, yet il did not itself appear upon the
face Of the Journal, in consequence Of vote Of the
House 10 the contrary, as in the present case.
Mr.. WISE asked whether the yeas and nays had been
called on that occasion
Mr.. DROMGOOLE believed not He then referred
to another more recent case where protest by Mr..
Glasscock had been kept of the record in like manner
Aud lastly, case where the same had been done when
Mr. Rice Garland had moved protest against
. resolution moved by Mr.. Pinckney, OF South Caro-
lima In this the yeas and nays had been demand
ed, and yet the protest had been put record He
had lndistHct recollection OF another which had
occurred before he member Of the House, in
which Mr.. Webster and Mr.. Tstnall, Of Georgia, had
taken conspicuous part, and where il had been argued
constitutional principles that protest could be
put the Journal when the House ordered the
raIy. The demand for the yeas and nays did not alter
or diminish the power Of the House The protest
formed part Of the proceedings Of the House, aud
il was Of their proceedings which the Constitution
required them 10 keep Journal The yeas and nays
could not compel the House to put q paper its
cords against its will,
Mr.. WISE. wish my colleague would consent to
e, me state distinctly what my motion is.
Mr.. DROMGOoLE believe know the object Of
my colleague, though will not say know him I" Of
old" have known him for four years before came
to Congress--we both young men. Much laugh
teri think know his object. and how he means to
get at it, will call his motion ruse de guerre !;
but he finds that the protest Of his friends from New
Jersey omitted the Journal OF yesterday, and he
MEANS If he can, get it the Journal Of to day.
believe am not mistaken.
Mr. WISE No, you not; and yoa can't pre-.
vent it.
Mr. DROMGOOLE think perceive his drift, as
he said yesterday that he perceived mine. And think
that. if show that his course will drive into alb
surdi,y shall the time show that it be
right for adopt it, There celebrated case
occurred in the Senate, which am pretty sure my col
league has not forgotten Yet President Jackson
sent communication 10 that body containing protest
against its proceedings The Senate refused allow
that protest be entered its Journals and legs-
lave devices Of the friends Of the President could
succeed in getting it put there. Various motions were
made and divisions had and the yess and nays were
demanded but after ALL Il never got on the Senate .
Journal Here the gentleman wants Us TO arrive at the
conclusion that, in the very act Of ordering that
paper be not spread the Journal Of this House,
the House shall not insert II their Journal That
is the absurdlty into which the gentlemans doctrine
will drive US and, without intending the least dscour-
tesy any one insist that is absurditya gross
and papable absurdty. When the House decided yes
terday that the protest shall appear their record
will they to-day do act which will it to appear
there Win gentlemen not show more regard to com
and consistency than involve themselves in
such absurdityl II my colleague wants honestly to
test the sense of the House in this matter, the arest
and most honest way Of doing it is for him TO
reconsideration But let him not attempt to do ndi-
recy what he is forbidden do drecry by express
decision Of this House. As understand the Chair
man to have revised and approved the Journal in its
present FORM proud that have last occasion
in which can sustain the Chair. Laughter
| Mr.. WISE. | call for the reading Of my motion.
| II was read accordingly
| Mr.. WISE was about TO speak, when
Mr.. DROMGGOLE made pon, Of order Under
the rules OF the house judgment Of the house must
stand until the has been reversed by reconsdera
ton. The gentlemans motion is ia conflict with d.
rect vote Of tins house yesterday.
! Mr.. WISE. will speak order, and will do it
in my own way. will show you, Mr.. Chairman, your
own authority, and in your case, where decision
made for the doctrine maintain by my colleagues
own favorte Speaker, the very llustrous Mr. Speaker
| Polk. Yes, SIR that great man, and great democrat
did decide that the very ! now taking is
regular and in order. had hoped that was relieved
from the necessity Of referring this authority by the
admission Of the gentleman from New York behind me-
Mr.. Vanderpoei who is the first to object TO IT,
Yesterday that sagacious gentleman OWNED Thy in
stinct suppose,) what my object in demanding
the yeas aud nays and he instantly inquired whether