Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1839-12-19

iu!l holding up the book on the pages OF your own
printed records.
Mr.. W then quoted a where Mr.. j. q. Adams had
Offered protest which the House refused to record; he
had next day rccited it in notion which motion was
ncgavcd but, being recorded the protest recorded
as part Of IT. THIS is the last and most recent, prccc
dent. The question OF ordcr-the very question If or
der mooed by my collracue-w,s then raised, and
the distinguished Speaker Polk decided the motion to
BE- in order. hope the gentleman viii not attempt to
escape from surh a decision. have made my motion;
the Clerk has read it; demand the yeas and nays; and
move the previous question.
Mr.. DROMGOOLE. presume, of course, my col
league to cal! for the previous question my
question Of order. a taught
Mr.. DAVIS, of Indiana, moved TO lay the motion of
Mr.. Wise to amend on the table.
Mr.. WISE Very WE'LL and upon that demand the
yeas and nays still my motion must appear.
Mr.. BRIGGS inquired whether, if the motion to
lay the table should prevail, the motion of the gem
tcman from Virginia must not still be recorded
CHAIRMAN. The Char understands it: aud
Tho Chair viii state that there are or three
other cases within his recollection where dr.is
been made BY the two last Speakers of the House,
Messrs Polk and Stcvcnson,) going TO the point
as that just cited by the gentleman from Virginia The
Journal Of Yesterday, submitted TO me this morning.
is in the form usually pursued by preceding Clerks
after such order of the House has been passed, but
there several within the recollection OF the
Chair, when a member, the subsequent day, has IN
troduccd motion incorporating tho paper he wishes to
have put on the Journal, and the two last Speakers
have always pronounced such motions 10 be in order.
Mr.. DROMGOOLE. Does the Chair decide my
cocaru motion 10 be in order.
CHAIRMAN. 1t docs: according to prccedcnts set
by previous Speakers.
Mr.. DROMGOOI.E. Then take an appeal, for the
purpose of ovrrthrowing those presidents.
Mr.. TIL LlNGlIAS'r said that the prcccdcnis cited
BY Mr. DromgooIc had happened prior to resolution
Of the House in 1887, adopting Jeifersons Mammal as
part of the Rules of Order; but that those cited by Mr.
Wise had taken place subsequently The argument
nLsurdo was late; should have been addressed
to the House before they adopted those rules To govern
lis proceedings Those rules placed it in the power of
four-ts of the House, By granting the yeas and nays,
TO put any motion on the Journal which the yeas and
nays were to BIZ recorded When the gentleman from
New Jersey (NIr Randolph moved that this paper
h. read If his motion recorded, the paper 10 which
il., word "thIs had reference must scl go on The
Journal. or the motion was unexplained and indefinite
Mr.. TURNKEY said the question was Of some impor-
lance because, II tn" House should decide as III" thniT
had done, what 10 prevent aboiOnlSi~ from
spreading on the Journals of tn" House any nlamml
tory an-SIavcrv memorials they may chose I" Offer
II few mcn--nav. If Il single man could thus ac-
complish his object against the express vii! Of ma.
iority of the House. the consequence he had stated
must follow.
Mr. TILLINGHAST replied that the House might
easily prevent that consequence" by directing that the
rule should not apply IN those cases.
Mr. HOFFMAN addressed the House, insisting that
the very object of mrantnra record of yeas and nays
was to enable each gentleman constituents to know
how h" had voted on any particular motion. ahd how
could they do unless the motion itself pat upon
the Journal:
Nr. DROMGUOLE. How are they 10 know what
~ IN bill YOU reject:
MIR HOFFMAN. The bill is printed and put the
files of the House in all its words, al length but how
can nv constituents know what sort of protest il is
wished to place on the Journal if its words are not
given
Mr.. PETRIKIN. l move the previous question on
the appeal.
After some dcsnory conversation across the House
Mr.. DAVIS, of Indiana, who had moved to lay Mr..
Wiscs motion the table, insisted on his notion and
insisted that it would with the motion of MIR. w.
the whole subject, appeal and ALL and put an end to II
Mr.. MERCER understood to say that when an
amendment was laid on the table the thing 10 which II
was an amendment was laid the table with IL: and
therefore, if Mr.. Wisrs motion was laid on the table;
the Journal itself must be laid the table with it.
Mr.. DAVIS. | care not how that is. move TO lay
the whole upon the table.
! CIIAIRMAN. have decided that on a motion TO
lay on the table, the substance of that which IS moved
to be laid the table must appear on the Journal with
the motion and a part of it.
Mr. BYNUM ! will ask the Chair one question.
! Can gentleman do that indirectly which the House
has forbidden TO be done directly;
| CHAIRMAN. The gentleman must answer that
question TO himself. Loud laughter
a desultory discussion order now took place,
which terminated in putting the question the mo-
ton to lay Mr. Wscs motion and the whole subject on
the table and decided by yeas and nays IN the nc
Gavc: Yeas lob, nays ~.
The question now recurring on Mr.. Dromgoolcs APP
peal from the decision of the Chair that s W'ses mo-
! ton is in order
Mr. PETRIKIN renewed his call for the previous
question the appeal.
Mr. Dromeoolc was now required by the Chair to
put his appeal into writing; which be did; but Mr. WISE
complained that he had not fairly stated what his mo-
| ton had been.
Mr. DROMGOOLE said he willing to accom-
modae his colleague BY stating it as it was; but II ms
colleague expected him TO rectc the whole protest in his
appeal, he could not consent
| Mr. WISE said his colleague might struggle IN the
meshes Of the net, but he caught fish, and nc
could not ret out.
Mr. SMITH, of Maine, thought there must be some
way Of keeping this paper off the Journal il would
be very extraordinary if there was not Suppose apapcr
should contain what offensive to the House, or OBJ
scene there way TO prevent It's being put on the
Journal: A laugh
he will put my motion, or no, call upon h'm N be-
half Of myself and my constituents; and want an an
swer have moved the previous question two or three
tines it is order it is constitutions and you have
paid no sort of attention TO it, DO you mean to put It,
or do YOU not loud laughter and cries Of "lhat
til
CHAIRMAN. II ~ not thc question "ior' wv
House.
Mr.. DROMGOOLE. To obviatc the difficulty
Withdraw my previous proposition, and submit It now
in this form Handing IN paper
Mr. PETRlKlN. On that demand the previous
question.
| CHAIRMAN. The proposition now presented by
the gentleman from Virginia. the left OF the Ihar,
Mr. Dromgooc) is in order, lnasmnch as It does
no, rcce the motion of tho gentleman from Virginia,
in front of the Chair, (Mr. WseD
Mr. DROMGOOLE From that decision take an
appeal.
Mr.. PETRIkIN On that appeal move the Prev.
Gus question. Loud and long laughter, and CRIES OF
$50 it," "Thats you.
The motion of Mr. P for the previous question was
seconded by the House. put and carried and the nam
question being on Mr.. Dromgooles appeal from the
Chairs decision that his proposition question OF or
der was itself Of order because it did not rec'te the
motion Of Mr.. Wise
Mr.. DROMGOOLE demanded the yeas and nays