The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1839-12-12

what they think is right and let the house act upon
IL. He thought IL pme sneh course were adopted,
compromise might b, effected and that all further
di hculiy might be avoided. They were involved
10 technicalites In squabbles about rules avoiding
aiogeiher the great question thai was TO be decided
LIT The house appoint committee, but let II not be
involved elernalIy n the iniricacies of the rules
made control the action Of the house This would
leave every thing fair. lie hoped the members
would agree TO this, for he thought the present con-
don OF the house not creditabe TO either party
u this suggestion met the views of gentlemen, let 1t
b. acted on aud let the house adjourn over 10 Mon
day, when il would have something definite be-
fore IL.
MryPRoFFIr demanded the previous question
Mr. PETRIKIN called 10 order
Mr. DUNCAN submitted whether he was not en-
titled 10 the n or
The CHAIRMAN said he considered the gentle
man entitled % the n por
Mr. PROFFtI said he should bow TO the decision OF
the Chair but Submitted that he had right reply TO
the remarks OF the gentleman from Tennessee, Mr.
CAVE JoHSsos) He (Mr. P) had no idea Of suffering
OF the gentlemen who had been the main pillars in
this controversyone Of the principal Of the de-
tention-o forward now. IN that bland and easy
tone which they could at all times easily put on and
propose compromise. after having kept The House for
days from organizing. And now they come forward as
great compromisers.
[Mr p was here interrupted by calls to "order"l
Mr. DUNCAN nsstedkon his claim to the foor, and
denied that his party had Rept the House from organ
zng caused the debates which the House had been
SO long engaged All the difficulty had arisen from the
effort OF the other party TO force upon tbs House as
mo'nhers psrsons who. 1t was well known hadnot been
elected bs the people.
Mr. PROFIT then yielded the floor, intpsting
that he should, hereafter, avail himself OF opporu
nifty 10 take hold Of the gentleman from Tennessee,
(Mr Jnhuson) and others
Mr. CHM then having arisen and addressed the
Chair,
Mr. DUNCAN submitted TO the Chair whether, when
he had yielded the floor the gentleman from Tennes
see, or any other gentleman for The purpose of making
apropnsiton Ia the way Of compromise ne lost his right
The floor
Mr. WISE said he bad offered a resolution which
the order Of the day. and he objected any other
proposition being discussed I'LL that decided.
MI CtilNN SAID he knew he was out Of order but
he hoped that the House would indulge him. considering
the nature Of his proposition. lie held in his hand
resolution which he proposed to oiler which, BY gene
raj consent, he could offer aud which, he doubled no
would be acceptable to large majority OF the MEM
bers.
[Cres of +" Read i,--let us hear it"l
Mr. &. thea read the following resolution:
RcSoloed, That the Clerk be instructed to proceed
in the call Of the members Of this House. emitting
the FIVE members from New Jersey who hold the Co
yernors certificate aud proceed thus until all the
bers called after which the House thus called pro-
ceei TO the election Of Speaker, and il ii should APP
pear that any member has voted whose seat contested
that then the House, still acting under the government
OF It's Chairman, shall proceed to determine the ques
ton who shall have the right the thus
tested 1t being expressly understood that such deci-
sion shall not be final, but only determine who are
titled to take their assist in the organization of
the House
(Cnes of Mono"
Mr.. CHINS said, this resolution, if adopted, would
arrest all discussion.
Mr. DUNCAN still claiming the floor
Mr., w. C, JOHNSON insisted that the rules of the
House be observed, and that If the gentleman from
Ohio (Mr DuncaL) again yielded the floor, he should
lose his right TO it. Was that gentleman himself to de-
eide who should or who should not speak or submit
propositions Mr.. j. insisted that the gentleman either
proceed in his remarks, or IS he again yielded lose all
right it except that which belonged every other
member. Mr.. J. did not wish to reflect on gentlemen's
motives, but these proposo were sprung suddenly
the House, were discussed in part, and were then
lost sight of
Mr. DICKERSON rose and appealed to Mr.. Dun
CAN to yield the foqr TO allow him to make state
ment
Loud cries Of " No. :" no y and Order,- " or
der" u
Mr. DUNCAN SAID he was not compelled to yield
the floor, and had very little disposition yield II, at
all events for such purposes as had been indicated by
the gentleman from Maryland, tMr Johnson) that pro-
positions might be sprung suddenly upon the House
But 1t had always been the custom here to allow gen.
tleman who had yielded the floor for purposes of expa
nation to retain it. He had always been at liberty to
resume his remarks-it being considered that he had
lost nothing by yielding He had never known this
courtesy denied here He was not desireus makesa
speech He would yield the floor for any length oftipes
this question, any thing connected with II, for IT,
purpose Of compromise, if a compromise could DO
eced He, however, would not be- guilty OF injustice
and he therefore, felt himself bound give way TO tho
gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Dckerson,) if that
gentleman had statement to make He (Mr Duncan)
trusted he should not lose his right to the floor; if he
did, it natered little, for he would take it again here
after
Mr. DICKERSON thereupon rising
MI w. G. JOHNSON rose again to order The
gentleman IRON New Jersey had right to the floor
after the gentleman from Ohio had yielded. II was for
the Chair decide who had the floor.
Mr. DICKERSoN proceeding to ssy"l understand
was interrupted by very loud cries for "Order"
Mr. GRAVES rose to point of order. He inqur-
ed whether the gentleman from Ohio (Mr Duncan had
yielded the floor for explanation Internationally.
Mr. Duncan said, for explanation,
Mr.. GRAVES submitted 10 the Chair that there was
nothing TO explain; aud he, therefore, protested
against any member designating who should speak.
As TO the accustomed courtesy of yielding the floor
to allow gentleman who had spoke 10 explain, that
was another thing But surely II could not be con-
tended that gentleman who had never spoke at all
should have the benefit of that usage.
Mr.. CHlNN being again about to speak, there
was much confusion, and many voices were heard
speaking at the same moment.
Mr.. WISE hoped the Chairman would bring gen.
temen TO order aid not let them all be talking al the
same time. Let gentlemen take their seats and then
let the question Of order be raised
Mr. VANDERPOEL submitted to the Chair whe-
Their this discussion was not premature When the
gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Duncan) had got the
floor would il not be time enough 10 raise the ques-
tion9
Mr. CRAIG submitted to the Chair whether he
was not himself entitled to the floor, having been the
first TO address the Chair when the gentleman from
Ohio yielded. He (Mr. CO. would now suggest
whether gentlemen would not yield the floor 10 the
gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Dickerson) on The
score Of courtesy. MIR G. repeated he asked this
on the principle Of courtesy.
Mr.. w. c. JOHNSON denied the power Of the
I., Ne any IN pin IN