Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1839-12-19
rWENTY-sIxTm CoNGREss---lst SESSION.
Friday, Dercmbnr l3, 1880,
In Sen ATE
The Senate met pursuant TO adjournment, and, after
The reading Of the Journal, adjourned.

Fridag, Drrrmbrr l3, lc39,
IN SENATE.
The Senate met pursuant TO adjournment. and, after
the reading of the Journal, adjourned
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
At u clock this day the members elect OF the House
oi Representatives came 10 order at the call Of their
chairman III" Hon. John q. Adams
And the Journal OF yesterdays proceedings having
been read
Mr. WISE moved amend i! in that part which
lated to the Protest presented yesterday b. the gentle
man from New Jersey (air Rnndolph) the part Of
those who, holding the Governors commission, had
been deprived of their right to vote the preliminary
question concerning the organization Of the House
The Journal described that protest paper purporting
to be protest, instead of inserting the paper ITSELF
which formed part and portion OF Mr. Randolphs mo-
ton The Clerk had undertaken TO do this, but Mr. W
denied his right. Suppose Mr.. W. should offer cso
lutiQn which the House should ultimately reject: had
the C."-'anr Eight IN iournazing the fact, to state
that Mr.. Wise, OF Virginia, offered paper purporting
to bsa resolution for CERTAIN object instead of insert
ing the words Of the resolution Surely He in
sisted that when resolution offered it must appear
the Journal 10 speak for ITSELF and not IN the words
of another. And the principle applied IN THIS
case.
Mr.. vANDERPOEL SAID that the House had not
rejected the protest, but the raoon of the gentleman
who presented II. that it be spread upon the Journal
IF no objection had been made, it would, call for
the yeas and nays have gone on the Journal as mat
ter of course But the House had expressly decided
that it should not 30 there. Now, after this, had the
Clerk any RICH, to place it there, and thus make void
resolve of this House, Was ii for him 10 say, not
witlstandinr the Of the House. Will spread on
the record: Surcl not and he had no other way OF
avoiding palplbis d;srcspoct to the llous" than by
doing jnsi as he lad done Must the record still be-
dcilcd with snci document after vote expressly to
the contrary:
Mr.. WELLER moved the previous question: but,
on the rcon.trancc of Mr.. Dromsoo!c. tcihArcc his
motion.
Mr. CHM said he wanted information the
point of order he wished 10 hear from the Older mem
hcrs of the House what had been the practice IN cases
of this kind.
Mr. DROMGOOLE said he presumed that, accord
ing the rule and practice heretofore, the Journal had
been submitted to the Chairman previously TO It's being
read in the House, and, having passed the ordeal oil his
corrections il To be- taken for granted that he APP
proved of It's form. Blu, he had prcccdcnis I" show,
which would Justify the Clerk III what he had done
lie then cited the journal of Congress for the session
ui l-22, show tiIat although protest had been
offered hy Mr. Garurt get did not itself appear upon
the face Of the Journal, in consequence Of vote OF the
House to the contrary, IN the present case.
Mr. WISE asked whether the yeas and nays had
been called On that occasion
Mir DROMGOOIE believed not He then referred
to another more recent case where protest by Mr.
Glascock had been kept oil the record in Tx manner
And. lastly where the same had been done when
Mr. Rice Garland had moved to enter protest against
a resolution moved by Mr. Pnckncy OF South Carroll
ma In this the yeas and n1Ts had been demand
ed and vet the pr"tcs, had not been put IN record
He had an indstinc; recollection of another which
had occurred before he member "i the House. III
winch Mr.. Webster and Mr.. Tatnali o Georgia had
taken conspicuous part, and where II HAD been argued
on constitutional principles that protest could not hc
put on the Journal when the House ordered to the con-
trary The demand Tor the yeas and nays did not alter
or diminish the power of the House. the protest form
I'd no part of the .'prorccdings Of the House. and 1t
was OF their proceedings winch the Constitution re-
qurcd them to keep journal The yeas and nays
could not compel the House to put paper on its re-
cords against its will.
NJ WISE. ! wish my colleague would consent TO
let me state distinctly what my motion is
Mr. DROMGOOI.E. believe | know the object
of mv colleague though Will not say know him ''ot
old | have known him for four years before came
to ComCrrss-we both young Much laugh
ter. | think know his object, and how ne means TO
ret NJ it, will not call his motion rasc dc g"crTc;
but he finds that the protest of his friends from New
Jersey wal omitted the Journal of yesterday, and
he means If he 10 got II on the Journal OF to-day
believe am not mistaken.
Mr. WISE. No. you are not; and you can pre-
vent il.
Mr. DROMGOOLE. ] think perceive his drl, as
he said Yesterday that he perceived nine. And think
that if show that his course will drive us into an abb
surdtv, shall nj the time show that II cannot be
rght for us to adopt it. There celebrated case
occurred in the Senate, which am pretty sure my col
caruc has not forgotten The President Of the United
States is moi member of the Senate Yet PRESIDENT
jackson once sent a communication to that body con-
tanning protest against lis proceedings. The Senate
refused 10 allow that protest to be entered on MS Jour
nal and no legislative devices of the friends OF the Pre-
sdcnt ever could succeed IN getting put tcrc. va
ous motions were made, and divisions had and the yeas
and nays were dcmandcd but ai:rr all, 1t never got on
the Scnacs Journal Here the gentleman wants US TO
arrive a the conclusion that the very act of order
mo that certain paper be not spread on the Journal OF
this House. the House shall insert It on Their journal
That is the absurdty into which The gentleman doc
trine i'll drive u.s. and without intending the least as
courtesy to any one, insist that 1t IS an absrdty-a
gross and palpablc absurditv. When the House de-
cided Yesterday that this protest shall not appear on
their record will they to-day do act which Will cause
il to appear there VIII gentlemen not show more re-
rard to common and consistency than TO involve
themselves in such an absurdty; If my colleague
wants honestly 10 test the of the House in this
matter the farcst and most honest way OF dong IT IS
for him To move reconsideration But let him not at
tempt 10 do indirectly what he is forbidden to do directly
nv an cyprcss decision Of this House. As understand
the Chairman to have revised and approved tn" journal
in its present FORM proud that have at last an &C.
casion in which can sustain the Char ll-anghter ]
Mr. WISE call for the reading OF my motion
Ii was read accordingly.
Mr. WISE was about to speak, when
MIR DROMGOOLE made a point OF order Under
The rules of the House, judgment of the House must
stand until the same has been reversed by recosde
ration The gcntlcman's motion Is IN conflict WIN
direct vote of this House yesterday
Mr.. WISE. ! will speak 10 order and will do IL IN
NV own way. viii show you, Nlr. Chairman, your
own authority and in your own case where a dcc's'on
was made for the doctrine maintain by my colleague ;
own favorc Speaker, the very nStrlous Mr. Speaker
Polk Yes Sir, that great man, and great Democrat
did decide that the am now taking IS re.
rular and in order | had hoped that was relieved
from the necessity of referring to this authority ny inc
admission of the gentleman from New York behind
me- (ir vanderpoe who is now The first to object to
it, Yesterday that sagacious gentleman OWNED (by
instinct suppose) what my object was IN demands,
ing the yeas and nays: and he instantly inquired
whether. if the yeas and NAYS were ordered the pro-
test must not of necessity be spread upon the Jour
nal let the decision of the House be one way or the
other: His inquiry is truly reported. Mr. W here
quoted from the Intellgencer report OF what passed
But not whether you amend the journal OIL yes
tnrdov or not; the Journal of to-day contain the
words Of that protest. for have incorporated them INTO
motion and thcy coustnte part OF II: ana no