The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1839-12-12

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The CHAIRMAN. M
Mr.. PROFFlr commended that the question was
debateable; and Mr. CRAIG speaking al The same
Mr.. MERCER called both gentlemen to order.
I The CHAIR again explained the character OF the
expedienl before suggested by him. He considered
Il had received very general assent. but he did not
consider himself justified 10 regarding that as the
act OF the meeting without vote taken on it and
That was The question before the house
| MIR. H0LLEMAN rose 10 question OF order
| The CHAIR said the gentleman was himself out
| Of order in interrupting the Chair.
Mr.. HOLLEMAN proceeded, He denied that
thai was the proposition before the House, or that
| the Chair had any right 10 make 1t. And he appeal
| ed from The decision
| What was the situation Of the House Z A pro-
position had been made, and had been followed by
motion to lay u on the table and the Chairman had
come 10 the conclusion thai the House should not
move an inch until the question had been decided
| who should vote. He, MIR. H., denied that the
| Chairman had such right. II any gentleman had
raised such proposition, the Chair could then de.
eide H. and appeal would lie TO the House. That
would BE- well enough
Will all respect 10 the age Of the Chairman, he,
| Mr.. H., thought the House should now do as the
Chairman himself had done when the Clerk would
not put questions-appeal TO the House. He thought
that the House should disregard the Chairman, be-
cause he had refused 10 put any questions unless u
should first have been determined whose vote should
be received. Mr.. HI. denied that that question was
before the House. and he denied that the Chairman
had right TO put il. II would be impossible TO get
along without excluding both parties. But that was
not the question. He appealed from the decision OF
the Chair and he demanded the previous question.
Mr.. BRIGGS said, If the gentleman would with
draw his appel he Mr., b., would send TO the Chair
a motion embracing the expedient proposed by the
Chair. Would the gentleman Withdraw W the appean
ICres al " No. no hold on, hold onp'l
MIR, BRIGGS said he merely proposed to do that
which the gentleman had himself suggested he was
sill willing should be done.
Mr.. HOLLEMAN adhered to his appeal.
The CHAIR. From what does the gentleman
appeal l,or,vnaN p,ou -, vor .,.,.d : !.
the question
The CHAIR, (interrnpting Mr.. H) The Chair
withdraws that proposition.
TLoud laughterl
MIR BRIGGS then rising for the purpose Of sub
hitting the proposition above indicated, and address
MIR HOLLEMAN insisted that he held the floor.
The CHAIRMAN said the proposition 10 which
The gentleman was speaking was no longer before
the meeting, and he was not entitled to the floor
The gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr.. Briggs,
was entitled TO the floor.
MIR. BRIGGS then submitted the following propo-
siton
Rssolred That, on the motion Of Mr.. Rhett to lay
Mr. Wise's resolution the table, or on Mr. Wise's
resolution ITSELF the telers shall all the persons
who may pass between them; and if any pass whose
right is disputed, the teers shall report their
names the Chair, after the number Of votes both
sides is reported, for the decision Of the House.
Mr.. WISE demanded the previous question.
Mr.. MCKAY said that one OF the members from
New Jersey wished TO make a statement which
would obviate all difficulty, and hoped he would be
permit,e4 TO do SO.
There was here much confusion, and cries Of
/" Hear the gentleman from New Jersey" The per-
mission was not given but Mr.. Mex, indicated TO
the house that the Wh.g members were willing 10
decline voting.
Mr.. PROFIT rose to question of order.
The Oh IR procreded 10 nut he question
And the call for the previous question having been
seconded,
The main question was ordered TO be taken.
And the main question [being on Mr.. Briggs's re-.
solution taken, and decided in the affirmative
So the resolution was adopted
Mr.. WISE then inquired OF the Chair whether the
question was not on the motion 10 lay his resolution
on the table
The CHAIR replied in the affirmative.
The resolution having been read tellers were call
ed for and Messrs. Dronsoole, Of Virginia, and Da
vieS, of Pennsylvania were appointed.
Those voting in the affirmative having pissed be-
tween the telerS and the vote having been reported
as ayes ll5-
MIR. WISE asked, Are there any disputed votes
not"
Those voting in the negative having passed be-
tween the teers, and the vote having been reported
as noes In
The tellers stated that the vote of one member
whose sea, disputed had been given-Mr, Nay
lor, OF Pennsylvania.
And the CHAIR having voted in the negative,
there was tie.
Mr.. WISE said that, as in that event, the molten
TO lay the table rejected, he would call for the
previous question on the resolution. ..
Mr.. SMITH, of Maine, inquired Of the Chair
whether it was not understood that il any me mber
whose disputed should pass between the tel
lers the question of his right vote should be deter
mined by the house? gentleman from Pennsyl-
vania Mr.. Nayorl had voted whilst another genle-
was here 10 contest his sea-there being double
returns.
Mr. WISE moved thai Mr., Nay,or has right to
| vole and demanded the previous question thereon.
Mr.. NAYLOR [holding up bis creden'ialsl rose
and said challenge the right OF this House To pass
upon my right here, and ask any member to pro-
dnce the credentials by means Of which he claims to
pass upon it. You turning 10 Mr.. Smith impeach
my right impeaeh yours challenge your right
to he here.
[Loud cries of Good-good-
Mr.. SMITH. Instead Of replying 10 him, turn
him over to his colleague Mr. lngersolll who has
credentials as good himself.
| Mr.. NAYLOR. | am here by the voice of the
People, and under the authority OF the law.
| [Cries from all parts of the hall, And l-andI"l
Mr.. SMITH. So is another gentleman from your
Mr. NAYLOR. ] deny it deny it.
| The connection and disorder which here per-
vaded the House (ncluding the gaeries) can scarce
| " be conceived by those not present at the time
| Cries of "Order-sence-t your seats, )" &c.
Mr.. UNDERWOOD inquired what was the ques
The CHAIR said the question was on seconding
the call for the previous question on Mr.. Wise's re-
| solution.
Mr.. REYNOLDS (rer.arking that the members
might as well go home, since nothing could be done
here) moved an adjournment; which mo,ion was
decided 10 be out OF order pending the call for the
previous question.
[Cries Of I" No, no--good, good-Candlelight &c i
| Mr. Afford said, now was the time for gentle
men TO act; no backing out.
The CHAIR again stating the question TO be on
seconding the demand for The previous question.
Mr. BLACK moved an adjournment; which mo-