The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1839-06-08

personally, and my own conduct as 10 the ion
Of The government, nor with respect 10 the prime
on which the patronage OF the household shouldA
managed and lis conduct, conirol and influence
supposing her Majesty should think proper TO en-
trust me with The administration OF affairs. Her Ma
iesiy acted on the advice which bumbly tended 10
her, and semi for right hon. baronet, a. friend Of
mine In another place. In proposing TO her Majesty
10 send for Sir Robert Peel, veniured 10 assure her
Majesty that was perfectly ready 10 serve her, IN
office or out Of Office preferred serving nrr OUT Of
Office but II her Majesty and her ministers prefer
red H. was ready conduct the duties oil any enee
loud cheer Ito do Ia shori, whatever would DC
nos convenient to her Majesty and to her ministers,
being disposed To lend all my assistance 10 every
possible way to serve her Majesty in whatever man.
ner u might be thought most desirable that should
do so. Loud che RS
AlIer | had this ilterview, my right hon. friend
also walled by command upon her Majesty. he
certainly did consult me aud take the opinion OF
oheIs s stated IN this paper the important point
Of the construction Of her Majestys household.
may state, my lords that all who we're present upon
that occasion, my noble and learned friend behind
Lord Lyndhursl,) and several others gave an OPT
MON exactly In conformity 10 what my hon. friend
has stated in his letter; and he waited upon her Ma
esiy The following day with the view OF submitting
such propositions as he should think proper, accord
ing to what he had stated 10 his intended colleagues.
In the course Of the conversation which Sir Robert
Peel had with her Majesty on Thursday adherence
Of opinion arose with respect TO The ladies Of The
eye, that should be sent for, in order hal hel Ma
jesty might have my opinion on the snhect. Inc
right hon. baronet came up TO my house ana INFORM
ed me OF what had occurred, the discussion which
had taken place on the subject and what he had pro-
posed, entirely in conformity with The principles
which I have stated TO your ordships. returned
with him TO Buckingham Palace, and after short
time was introduced 10 her Majeslys presence.
Il is not necessary, and indeed have not permits
sion to 90 into The details OF the conversation which
passed bIween her Majesty and me on that coca
sion All that shalt say on the subject Is that no
thing passed on my part Inconsistent with the prin-
ciples slaed-ah ch maintain are the correct prin-
ciplesio govern like the present, and most par
culary that pan OF the subject which related To The
administration OF the Influence and control OF The
royal household Surprising her Majesty should mink
proper 10 call me TO her government My right hon.
friend has stated correctly that part OF The converse
lion which related tothe Interpretation and decision
to which her Majesiy had come" that The whole
should continue as al present, without any change
This was her Majesty's determination, and accord
insly did, stalled in the paper, Immediately com
municate TO Sir Robert Peel who was In The next
room the decision Of her Majesty to That eHect.
do not know my lords that II Is necessary LOT me TO
90 any farther into this matter; we aiterward had
communication with Other noble lords and right hon
gentlemen, and found il impo sible Tor US 10 IN
dertake the conduct of her Majesty,s government
unless this point was put TO rights. Hear, hearI
The noble Vscounl has stated that he gave her
Majesty advice on The subject write ter on
statement which he admits erroneous. (Hear,
this exec pit that possibly might have been better If
the noble Viscount had taken some means TO ascer-
tain what the right statement was before be gave the
advice. (Hear, hcar) Whether the statement was
erroneous or moi, the noble VScount had right II
he chose 10 act on the principle that our advice was
erroneous; that our demands were such that ihey
ought not 10 have been made; but il would Dc well
for noble lords not To be in so great hurry IN iuure
as to give ther opinion and advice upon such i'm
portaut matters without well assuring themselves
that they have really correct statement I"Fe them.
Clear, hear) My lords, cabn" bat th'nk that The
principles which proposed y act with respect
10 the ladies Of the bsGciamb,r ia the case OF Oueen
regnan were the correct principles. (tiear, hear) ).
The public will not believe that the Queen hoids no
poi ical conversations with those ladies, hearD
and that political influence isnot exercised by Them
particularly considering who those persons are VINO
hold such situations. Hear, hear
believe the history OF this country affords num-
Der Of instances in which secret and improper nhu-
ences has been exercised by means OF such CONVEX
saonS have, my lords, somewhat strong opin-
ion on this subject. ! have unworhiy filled the Of
fee which the noble Viscoun worlhiiy holds; and
have felt the Inconvenience OF an anomalous IN
auenee not exercised, perhaps by ladies', pnl an
anomalous influence, undoubtedly OF this descHp.
tion, and exefled simply in conversations; and viii
tell The noble Viscounl that the country is al this mo-
ment suffering some Inconvenience from The exer-
else Of that very secret influence. (Hear, hear) My
lords believe | have gone farther into principles
upon this subject than may perhaps suit Inc taste OF
the noble Viscount; but this NUT say, that at The
same time we claimed the control of the ROYAL
household, and would not have proposed 10 her Ma
jesty to make any arrangements which would have
been diSagreeable TO her; felt il was absolutely
impossible for me, under the circumstances OF Inc
present moment, TO undertake any share OF the GO
vernment Of the country without thar PROOF oi heF
Majes,ys confidence. (Hear)
And now, my lords, in concluding ms suDlectA
hope with little more moderation Than the noble
Viscount (hear have only add the expression OF
my gratitude 10 her Majesty for the gracious conde-
de
pleased TO listen the counsel which it was my duty
10 offer; and must say that quilted her presence
not only imp essed with the feeling OF gratitude Tor
her condescension bn likewise with deep respect Tor
the frankness, the intelligence, the decision, and
frmness which characterized her Majesly's de-
meanor throughout the proceedings ..* .
ViscouNT MELBOURNE said there was one part OF
the noble dukes speech 10 which he wished LOT
moment to advert The noble Duke had stated that
he IL ord Mebourne) had admitted the st. tement on
which he gave his advice to her Majesty was erro-
neouS II was not SO. he did not say Inc statement
was erroneous but that The impression on her Ma
jestys mind, after the statement made in the other
house of Parliament last night, must have been erro-
neouS. The statement was, that Sir H. Feel had re-
guessed the power of disini>sing the ladies' OF me
household moi stating the extent 10 which he would
PIT il into execution, but leaving on her MaJestys
mind an impression that he meant 10 carry il out 10
very great extent He did not say that The state
ment Itself was erroneous but that he now believed
the inpressi on her Maesty's mind to have been
erroneous. (Hear)
The noble duke had alluded to an influence which
had troubled him 10 his career; he did not know to
what the noble duke referred; but when he >ad the
country was suffering under similar influence
LORD BaouoHAM No, no the expression was
set ret influence"
VIscouNr MELBOURNE was sorry TO have misun-
derStor I'd the noble duke. He begged, however, to
deny The existence of any such Influence at the pre-
sent moment
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