The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1839-12-17


precedent The question VI order-ihe very question
Of order moo,ed by my collesguswas then raised
and the distinguished Speaker Polk decided the motion
to be in order hope the gentleman viii orai.empi
10 escape from sneh decision. have made my mo-
tion the Clerk has read Il; demand tho yeas and
nays; and move the previous question.
Mr. DROMGOOLE Ipresone, Of course, my col
league 70 call for the previous question on my
| question OF order. "A laugh
l Mr.. DAVIS, Of Indiana, moved to lay the motion
/ of Mr. WisE 10 amend the table
| Mr. WISE. Very well; and upon that demand
/ the yeas and nays, still my motion must appear.
4 Mr.. BRIGGS inquired whether il the motion TO lay
the table should prevail the motion OF the gentle
| man from Virginia must not still be recorded
! CHAIRMAN The Chair SO understands I; and
the Chair viii state that there are Two or three
other within his recollection where decisions have
/ been made by the Two last Speakers Of the House,
(Msssrs Polk and Stevenson going the same point
that Just cited by the gentleman from Virginia Inc
Journal Of yesterday submitted 70 me this morning.
is 10 the form usually pursued by preceding Clerks al
ter such order Of the Hoase has been passed, but
there several within the recollection Of The
Chair, when member, the subsequent day. has IN
roduced motion Incorporating the paper he wishes to
have pu, the Journal aud the tw6 last speakers have
always pronounced such motions to be ~ order
| Mr.. DROMG0OLE- Does the Chair decide my
| colleagues motion to be in order.
| CHAIRMAN. i does; according to Precedents
| set by previous Speakers.
| Mr.. DRooMGOOLE Then take an appeal, for
| the purpose Of oyenhrowing those precedents.
Mr.. TILLlNGHASr said that the precedents cited
by Mr.. Dromgoole had happened prior 10 resolution
Of the Honse in 1887, adopting Jefersons Manual as
part Of tho Rules Of Order but that those cited by
| Mr. Wise had taken place subsequently, The argu-
ment ex absurdow was too ate it should have been
addressed the House before they adopted those rules
to govern its proceedings Those rules placed i IN The
power Of fourfths of The House. by granting the yeas
and nays, TO put any motion on the Journal on which
the yeas aud nays to be recorded. When the
\ C-a., NJ .Jo1u lrn0v cd
thai "this paper DO read, il bis motion recorded
tho papers TO which the word "this' had reference
must i,self 60 the Journal, the motion was unex
| planned and indefinite.
i Mr.. TURNEY said the question was Of some i'm
portance because, the House should decide a. the
4 Chair had done, what to prevent abolitionists
from spreading on the Journals OF the House any in
aammaory nti-sayery memorials they may choose TO
offer! IL a few men--nay if single man could thus
accomplish his object against the express will OF ma
ory Of the house. the consequence he had stated must
| follow.
Mr. TILLINGHAST replied that the house might
easily prevent that consequence by directing that The
! rule should not apply in those cases
! Mr.. HOFFMAN addressed the House, insisting
tina, the very object Of granting record Of yeas and
nays was 20 email 10 each gentlemsn's constituents TO
know how be had voted on any particular motion; and
how could they do unless the motion itself was put
Mr.. DROMGOoLE. How are they to know what
| is in bill you reject!
Mr. HOFFMAN. The bill is printed and put
the files Of the house in oil its words, at length; but
how constituents know what sort of protest il is
wished TO place the Journal il its words are not
l,givenl
4 Mr., PETRIKIN. move the previous question
on the appeal.
Amer some desultory conversation across the
Mr.. DAVIS, OF Indiana, who had moved 10 lay
Mr.. Wise's motion on the table, insisted on his mo-
ton, and insisted that il would carry with the mo-
ton of Mr. w the whole subject, appeal and all and
put an end OFT.
Mr.. MERCER was understood 10 say that when
an amendment was laid on The table, the thing 10
which 1t was an amendment was laid on the table
with it and therefore, il Mr.. Wise's motion was
laid on the table, the Journal itself must be laid on
the table with it,.
Mr. DAVIS. care not how that is. move to
y lay the whole upon the table.
/ CHAIRMAN. have decided that on motion
to lay on The table, the substance Of that which IS
moved TO be laid on the table must appear on the
Journal with the motion and as part Of il.
Mr. BYNUM will ask the Chair one question.
Can gentleman do that indirectly which the House
has forbidden TO be done directly
CHAIRMAN. The gentleman must answer that
question to himself. loud laughler]
A desultoIy discussion on order now took place.
which Terminated in putting the question on the mo
tion 10 lay Mr. Wses motion and the whole subject
on the table,. which was decided BY yeas and nays
in the negative Yeas 1903, nays Il9.
The question now recurring on Mr.. Dromgoole's
appeal from the decision of the Chair that Mr.
WiSe'S motion is in order .a. i. .
Mr. PETRlKIN renewed his call for the previous
question on The appeal.
Mr. DRoMoooLE was now required by the Char to
put his appeal into writing; which he did but Mr.
Wise complained that he had not fairly stated what
his motion had been.
Mr. DROMGOOLE said he was willing TO ac-
commodate his colleague by stating it as was; but
if his colleague expected him 10 recite the Whole
protest In his appeal, he could not consent
Mr. WISE said his colleague might struggle in
the meshes Of the net but he was caught fish, and
he could not get out ...
! Mr.. SMITH, OF Maine, thought there must be
some way OF keeping this paper of the Journal
Suppose paper should contain what was offensive
10 the House, or obscene, was there no way TO pre-
vent its being put on the Journal2 taught
Mr. PETRlKlN. Will the Chair tell me whe
ther he will put my question: or MOI | call upon
him in behalf Of myself and my constituents; and
want an answer. have moved the previous queS
ton Two or three times; it is In order; 1t is consu
tonal and you have paid no sort OF attention to II
Do you mean to put il Z or do you not 7 Loud
| laughter and cries Of That's it2'l
CHAIRMAN. 1t is not the question before the
House
Mr. DRoMGooLE. To obviate the difficulty,
withdraw my previous proposition, and submit it
now in this form. Handing paperl
Mr.. PETRlKIN. On thai demand the previous
question
CHAIRMAN. The proposition now presented by
the gentleman from Virginia, the left Of the Char,
(Mr Dromgooe,) is not in order, inasmuch as it does
not reclte the motion Of the gentleman from Virginia. in
front Of the Chair. (Mr. Wse)
Mr. DROMGOOLE. From that decision | take an
appeal.
Mr. PETRIKIN. On that appeal move the pre-
vious question, Loud and long laughter, and cries Of
!" Cont" That's you'll
The motion Of Mr. p. for the previous question
seconded by the House, put AMI carried and the main
question being Mr.. Dromgooles appeal from the
Chairs decision that this proposition question Of