Vermont telegraph. [volume] (Brandon [Vt.]) 1828-1843, 1838-11-14

as ne does Wnlle preaching the SosPei. LIZ :
saws, in the one case, "But if thou do that u
which is emil, be afraid, for he beareth not :,
the sword in vain" In the other, be says, h
"By the terror Of the Lord we persuade W
men," Paul did not complain of the human :
laps, but of being Judged contrary TO the :
law. He did not objectto being escorted by v
strong, armed guard from one place TO an a
other. / cannot find that any of the Apos-
ties spoke against Furnishing men for steal
ing, or murder, nor for collecting just dues
where the debtor had sufficient means of |
paying. II was for the oppression Of the
needy that menwere denounced.
l will quote the two following passages
! from the words Of our Savior, and give some
of my views of their meaning, ard then
close. "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
myself" Whatsoever we would that men
should do unto you, do We even SO unto
them" You may think strange of my quot
ing such a passage, to support the use Of
| physical force, but | think it a very proper |
one for that purpose. will illustrate my
views in the following manner II have six
sons.--fve OF them are constitutonally
yielding,--,he other is misunderstanding
t for opportunity, and when that occurs, vents
} his spite on the others. They acquaint me
2 with the fact and request my interposition.
: | demonstrate with him, showing him the
] injustice and fatal effects of such conduct.
e He persists in his wrong doing until chas-
{, Use him by physical force. Perhaps You
: will say, | do not unto him as would have
1 him do unto me, were the case reversed
i Our duties never clash, but the main thing
h is, to know lrhat is duty. l have 70 right
e to love the one child at the expense of the
r other fire; and this principle should be car
= ried out in all our intercourse with our TEL
st beings. If so, see not why the rod
"a should not be applied to. the FOOLS back IN
these days, IS we'll as In the days Of Solo
mon. And if a man is resolved to trample
= on my natural and moralrights- destitute of
N the principle which should govern him, and
| am not able to resist him, and you stand
- looking on, il is year duty TO aid when | ask
g, it. You cannot do as YOU would wish me 20
do unto you, should you refuse. And on
this principle | consider it the duty Of all
lg good men, to unite in making wholesome
r laws, and also 10 aid in maintaining them,
, until the lion shall nave been tanned so that
:, the lamb may safely lie down with him..
II. Pr S. What oughtto be done with church
> members, who have the means, and will not
10 pay their debts until compelled by law2
. - J. HoLCoMB.
- REMARKS.
~ My remarks this lengthy article will be brief
Is because, although consider it to be bundle Of
en- errors and horeses they stand in classes that
nd they can be arranged, and exposed under
|, general heads. b.. ..s ..--..,.... --.
~ And first, all that class by which it is undertaken
oi to make out an argument in support Of phys
"a penalties and violent punishments, from the exam
I'M pie of holy men, and the Savior himself if yor
IL please, in their not protesting specifically agaus
all the sins of human governments then existing
;" The argument proves too much, and therefore
all proves nothing. For it makes these holy men, ant
ed the immaculate Son Of God himself, endorsers fo
80 all the monstrous denominations which the Lore
= hates, practced by those governments. This viii
VI never do. l confident that when my brother
1e takes single glance at the position he has her
IN placed hmselfin, he will abandon it ina moment
H. Again, the way he undertakes to lug in the helI
- OF the Old TESTAMENT is altogether summary, t
say the least of it. This argument is liable to the
II objection with the other. 1t proves too much
" My brother says"I think you will find it rather diff
fos fcut preaching the Gospel, unless you go to h
:, Old Testament for add Suppose l am obiectin:
TO the Christian Church practicing circumcision of
9 fering beasts in sacrifice stonng man to death 70
as gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. or any othe
ill dTesiamen practice. In support of these prac
,y- tees, my brother forward and says-"I vol
will not take Old Testament think yo,
will find it rather difficult preaching the Gospel un
he less you go to the Old Testament fer aid' 1t mus
ent be evident TO him. and every other person of
mon discernment, that his argument goes as far
support of the practices have mentioned as in sup
81 port of ysica penaltes-t must of course GALL
Us, the ground with his own consent.
KS In regard to the sentiments of the passages in tn
:. 18th chapter ofRomans, brother Holcomb has con
ceded SO far as to take the laborng oar into his owl
W; hands. IF God does not approve "au," it is 70
or my brother TO show what part he does approve
ID. This being done, shall not be far apart. VIVA,
ID ever God approves, it is not for me to condemn Bu
that there is now human government on the face O
- the whole earth that is ordained Of God do no
Se- believe. Americans, doubt, think the govern
on men of the United States be the purestip exis,
-. ence. But who does not know that is admins
tered in great measure, by some of the most pro
VI ligate abandoned men living? Who does not know
u that IL the Congress of the United States there ar
in infdels and robbers, and extortoners and DRINK
II ards, and whoremongcrs, and murderers-in wori
men living in the liabitual commission OF the mos
3 foul and fragrant crimes against God and their faIlov
no beings? Are these the men whom COP has commits