The Madisonian. [volume] (Washington City [i.e. Washington, D.C.]) 1837-1845, 1838-05-24


Ciellan, A. Mcclellan Mcclure, Moore, Murray, No
Bile, Owens, Palmer, Parker, Pennybaeker, Petnken,
Phelps Potter. Pratt, Prehliss Rely, Sawyer, Shelter
G. Shepard, Shepor, Spencer Taylor. Thomas. Titus
Toucey. Towns, Tumey, Vanderyeer, Webster, Weeks,
]. w. Williams, Worthington-s3.
Two-Ihirds not voting for the motion, the House re-
fused 10 suspend the rules to enable Mr.. WILLIAMS to
offer his motion.
Mr.. MAYOR obtained leave to offer petition and
have il referred.
On motion Of Mr. HUNTER, OF Ohio.
Resolved That the report and survey Of the harbor Of
Sandusky. in Ohio, be published under The direction Of
the Chief Typographical Engineer.
Mr. WHITILESEY, of Ohio, from the Committee
Of Claims reported bill for the relief Of Trad Kelly
and d. Kelly and, also,
A bill TO continue IN force act passed on the 18th
Of January 1887 TO provide for the payment Of horses
aud other property lost destroyed in the military
vice Of the United States.
Mr., WHiTTLESEY moved 10 60 into Committee
ofthe Whole the bill 10 continue IN force the act for
the payment for horses lost in the last The mo-
ton prevailed and the House accordingly went into
COMMITTEES Of the Whole (sr. Reed in the chair) on
that bill.
Mr.. WHITTLESEY briefly explained. expressing
his hope that the provision which had been formerly
limited TO two years, should now proposed be rem
dered permanent .s
Mr. GRAHAM, Of Indiana, called for the reading Of
the act proposed to be continued and it read, -
Mr.. g. then moved an amendment, the object Of which
was TO extend the provisions of the law to mounted
rangers in Indiana and Illinois, whose horses had been
lost without laul, their part
Mr.. G. explained at length and advocated tho amend
ment with great earnestness
Mr.. HOFFMAN moved for the rising OF the commit
lee ; whereupon, before any question taken, the
committee rose, reported progress, and obtained leave
to sit again e
The CHAIR presented communication from the
PRESIDENT notifying the House Of his approval Of the
bill authorize the issuing OF Treasury to meet
the current expenses Of the Government.
THE CASE OF THE cHERoKEEs
The CHAIR laid before the House commune alton
from the President concerning the Cherokee treaty,
&c Of the import that noted in this days pro-
ceedings Of the Senate
On motion Of Mr.. BELL, the communication was
referred TO Committee Of the Whole on the state of
the Union and ordered TO be printed.
Mr.. CAMBRELENG pressed a motion to 90 into
Committee Of the Whole the state Of the Union with
view to take up the bill for the suppression Of Indian
hostilities.
Mr. EVERETT inquired Of Mr.. Cambrelcnc whether
there any estimate the Committee of Ways
aud Means for the expense connected with subject in
the Message! and whether that committee intended to
offer any amendments 10 the bill for the suppression Of
Indian hostIlities TO cover those expenses
Mr., CAMBRELENG replied in the negative, and
insisted that whatever might be done reference the
Message the bill for the suppression of Indian HOSTILE
ties must still be passed, three ourths of its appro
prations were for debts already incurred, and which
must be met. ..t
Mr.. EVERETT was of different opinion, contend
ing that the two subjects were intimately connected,
because il any thing should be done this proposal OF
accommodation, there would be necessity OF keep
ing up the force in the Cherokee nation
Mr.. CAMBRELENG observed that all the diminu-
ton OF appropriation, that case, would be simply in
the pay OF the troops they must be kept there
III the final arrangement should be completed.
MIR. GLASCOCK wished the communication
ferred, not the first place the Committee OF the
Whole the of the Union, but TO the Committee
on Indian Affairs. He warmly pressed motion for
consideration.
On this motion debate ensued, in which Messrs
EVERETT, HOWARD, HOLSEY and REED took
part, and which ended with motion by Mr.. REED to
lay Mr. Gascock's motion for reconsideration the
table # r.
Mr.. HOLSEY demanded the yeas and nays but
the House refused to order them. The motion was
then ncgatived Ayes 65, noes So.
The debate further continued by Messrs. BELL,
C!AMBRELENG, and CUSHING; when, The ques-
ton being taken reconsiaerng il decided in the
affirmative: Ayes 49, noes 60
So the reference OF the Presidents communca to
the Committee of the whole the state Of the Union
was reconsidered
That reference was then ncga,vcd: Ayes ~, noes
"a. r..
The question then required on motion ofMr. GLAS-
COCK, to refer the message to the Committee In
dian Affairs
Mr.. EVERETT moved to amend the motion so as
to give the committee power to send for persons and
papers, SINCE matters Stood the committee could
know whether the proposals Of the President had been
accepted by the Cherokee delegation.
Mr. DAWSON demonstrated very warmly against
the consequences of giving the committee such power
the object Of which, he insisted, to bring John Ross
before the committee and thus thrust the authority and
influence OF that chief in the way of the execution of
the treaty Of 1885, which must inevitably lead an
Indian war He closed by moving that the Presidents
communication be laid the table and printed. He
Withdrew this motion at the request of
Mr.. WISE, who promised to renew it. He then re-
Piled with equal warmth to the speech OF Mr. Daw-
son. denouncng tho alleged treaty of 1885 the strong
est terms He expressed lively JOY at the reception Of
such message and compmented the President, as he
said, for the first time his life Mr.. w. in his earn
estness forgot to renew the motion, and Il.
Mr. GLASCOCk obtained the floor
MIR. WISE now renewed the motion, but it was too
late
Mr., GLASCOCK addressed the House with earnest
ness insisting the obligation Of the treaty of 1895,
and the sacredness Of the vested rights of Georgia under
1T the certainty that her citizens would take possession
OF these lands, and the imminent danger of an Indian
war. Should the Government attempt to overurn that
treaty, Georgia would be found wanting to her
self, as she had once before proved.
Mr. ATHERTON now demanded the previous oucs-
ton, he effect Of which would be bring the House
to an immediate vote the reference to the Indian
Committee, and would rut off Mr. Everett's amend
ment.)
Mr.. OWENS moved to lay the message on the table,
and demanded the yeas and nays.
Mr.. WISE slrenuously endeavored to get the floor
farther to reply to Mr. Dawson and Mr. Glascock but
the Chair insisted the rule which orbids debate after
motion TO lay on the table
Mr.. CAMBRELENG and Mr.. LEGARE asked
That the communication DO read again.
The CHAIR pronounced it out Of order, as motion
lad been made for the previous question
Some confusion arose. The CHAIR indicated its