Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1836-01-12

dangerous, pernicious proceeding. And the gen
temcn the other side altogether satisfied with their
own conduct: Ifso why gentlemen so sensitive
tho subject; Why do gentlemen deny that any pledge
was given but refuse TO tell what they did, and what
took place at ti!a meeting? We cannot draw it out of
them; if we could the public could Judge whether
pledge given not The gentleman from Botcourt
speaks III different .tTain il is true, from his adj"'
tors ilr is "crY ipId-lc avows that such meeting
was heidi and LA! ll.r Democratic Republican" hid
right to hold it, lie is the only one who will plainly
ar1w The fact i:al there such meeting. do not
deny The light Ecn.rncn have TO hold meetings; but
also claim Il common 10 all nIauaImd- ImcGH I'll"
rg!t!o talk uJul ll,c;. The gentleman tFon Camp.
bell S'yS "c lav: ig To inquire INTO ir secret pro-
cccdngs "t his patty Mr.. Speaker, y"u vii: er'l'rct
That w!rn frs. brought l!is meeting 10 lir notice Of
TIC i"uSc: snppa'sd That meeting so c"i'Tenrd ana
CONSTITUTED and who's. proceedings such as had
untTst"od them 10 I, had taken lace, and asked we.
hcr lis proceedings wnCId he consJe- nearly allied
to thos" "i ccII:icc, that might not be allowed 10
a!lude 10 them in drbllc received 10 negative reply,
and believed that had right to speak Il" this c1ra"r-
binary meeting am wiiling said MI. ", AS before
teclnred to all questions that may lie put 10 me;
but mnst be allowed to ask few in return. The gen
rnan from Campbell tells Us, that lie gave no pied &C al
tina! mrciing. ! ask him, why dad they c0rrcne in Sc
cret with ciscd doors: What the object III that meet
ing, and what it that he voted for: Ii he will say
what was done at the .etinS the public Will be able 10
decide whether pledge was given or not.
Mr.. DoRMAY moved the ayes and noes IN the mo-
ton to refer to the Committee of the Whole; after short
pause,
Mir. WircuEE said rise to ask whether the gentle
from Campbell after have fully, fairly, and frank
~ answered the questions put to e BY him, will SIT still
and refuse to answer those which | have propoundcd
TO him: II so: hope the public will make lis own IN
icrcnceS from his conduct.
Mr. DANIEL said that lis questions had arisen out Of
previous heterogeneous Of the gentleman from Pltlsyl-
van;a believe, said Mr.. D., That did sufficiently an
swrr the questions put by him when before addressed
The House. said that did no: consider that gave
pledge a. that meeting. lcannot admit the gcntcrhans
iightto question farther to the proceedings at that
meeting. II he wishes know the number Ut the vote,
and the specific transactions of the meeting, tn. scntI-
mcnls expressed the speeches made, &c DC, do not
consider myself at liberty to give hun The nor!nat"n-
nor dp think ne can, with propriety, ask It, DO not
consider that have the right TO disclose what passed at
thr mecling-,olhcrwise nigh: make the disclosures;
but still should object 10 the Impropricly Of the gentle
mans demand. When twenty or thirty gentlemen meet
togctr in their private characters, matter upon what
subject they NIL lt choose to conlrr, do not think HAT
any gentleman right 10 repeat what he hears at that
meeting, any gentleman claim rg hi Ia demand
di: closure Of their proceedings.
MIR. NIrCHEE rose L. rep s..
The SrEAEEH said tie gentleman from PIitsyrann
had already exceeded The limits q debate under the
rules Of the House The gentleman hid spoken six
times upon tho subject under consideration.
gentleman, whom the Reporter did sec, said he
hoped he gentleman would have leave 10 Irply.
The SrUAK"r said, it rested with the House
Leave then given By general consent, and
Mir NITtuE said the gentleman from Cdnpbl after
plrrounding questions To me, which fully answered,
refuses TO reply 10 these which put t" him, ard has
sa, that TO ntnt!cmen would claim the right 10 make
sGch inquiries have uaGc, ~ the proceedings Of
the rctiug il question. Sir, cast back the impu;a"n
upon lie gentleman from Campbell: and tell hIm laI
IrhrMGn would do that winch nc Is afterwards ethrr
afraid or ashamed to
NJ. DAyi;L said i- " reason fer the excitement
displayed by tie gentleman from Pisy vaua. lie had
intended: hy saying that no gentleman could claim
right tn make such inquiries, to imply that tie member
from PtSy lvauia not Il gcnLtcmdn. Nor do sup.
psr, said Mr. ID, that any other person but the gentle
man hmsrl., SO interpreted my remark.
Mr. WIrcuEE. Then withdraw my remark. If he
gentleman r"n Campbell intended no such Esnuntlon,
am satisfied
The STEAMER said !r had not understood tie Ian
gua.c of Ii. gentleman lTcn Campbell casng any
reflection On TIC gentleman from Fittsylran!a.
Mr. MILLER surprised ;i"t HE gentleman lrcm
Rockbridgc should have called the yes and this
question, which could in way br made test. The
u!r ctnn which lie gentleman had slated - going int"
committee CT lc win !c, seemed 10 .lT ~, i!llGnnIrd
He objects that III committee vote is taken by ayes
and n9cs and rcc"!! kept Of the proceedings But
gentlemen mi ht repeat any vote III" subject
returned the HOUSE, and have tie and n"es
upon il. The freedom Of discussion which Is allowed in
cIrn:ntce, is beneficial on sntJrct Ike this Had
bccn III committee 1T this t!Ir, We sod have been
shared which las just occurred. Ono gentleman
Las already addressed the House six ghl times, and
obliged TO obtain leave TO express himself This
would not have happened III committee. As to the
10 which such frequent illusions had been made
MI NJ had fortunately or unfortunately might
appeny been present He could therefore say nothing
what occurred there lie had felt much surprise ard
regret when lie heard the gentleman from PittSy lvania
speak o the proceedings that meeting and make grave
charges against its cnbers; and he still regretted
tina, llc had done this when he head that his norma.
toii obtained frcin the private communications OF
grnemrn.
mr. WITcHFE. lis not so.
The SPEAKER called Mr. w. 10 order.
MIR. Miller. Understood that il WIS i'll private
vcrsaoMs the gentleman heard the satcncn which
his charge was founded
Mr.. WiTcnEE. 1t is not so.
The SrEaKER. Order. The gentleman iTon, Pittsy!-
yana will keep silence.
Mr.. WIrcnrr. Then the gentleman from Dotc.ourt
mast not isrrrresent me- lie had received his inor-
nation Of the proceedings Of the caucus from members
OF it. who had spoken contdr ntaliy; but who had
his presence alluded To those proceedings III lone of
cxutatinn.
Mr.. MuLEn said lie DESTROYS of reporting the
gentleman correctly and he hoped he would he CORRECT:
Is reported by those whose duty it to furnish
proceedings 10 the public press in order that j! might be
seem who had acted with proprc;y, and whn otherwise
in this debate. Mr.. NJ. salI his Chief object rising
had been, t., rcqrrs! the gentleman from Eockbridse 10
withdraw his call for the ayes and noes he though il
Obvious that they were unnecessary in question which,
like this involved principle, and tested no opinions.
MIR ST,HAEp cnncurrrd IN opinion with the gentle
nrn from bntcouTt, that the ayes and noes
crssary this question. He opposed TO reference
TO Committee Of llc Whole, as he could ad.
vantage in il, Unless there amendments
10 be offered To tlr rrsouuis-ani as he had heard
gentleman say he intended 10 offer amendments the sub.
ec had better he discussed The HOUSE lis the Consunp-
tim of time would net hr great He hoped the gem
cman from Goochland would withdraw his motion for
the reference II wGnd be but useless ceremony if no
amendments t" he offered, and it would come back
10 tire House after having been discussed i'll committee
in the same form in which il went there.
Mr. DvRmAN said lr had been appealed 10 by two gen
euan, to refuse either Of whom lie dislik.d, 10 with
dlaw his call for the ayes and Mes He could not COM
ply with their requests If there had been sub.
rct on which lest of principles could be had, ii