Rutland herald. [volume] (Rutland, Vt.) 1823-1847, 1836-07-12
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R,sslrci, Tbs, he memorial q certain oi'iasos
II Al.ssma aud Georgia respecting sllegsd frauds
10 the purchases u the reservations q The Creek
Indian. tnd the cause of their prcscn, hos,ilies.
be telcred to the ?rc-sacn, Of Tbs United states
and that he be requested to cause such measures
to be taken for investigating these transactions,
ard for ihc propccuiioa ofthe persons engaged 10
their, Who msy haze been guilty Of sny breaches
Of the las a. may sppcar Ia DC proper, sDd With
a the power q The Executive
ar. l.. expressed The hope lhsl the matter would
be thotonphi, inyesnsaied' sad ihsi the ndiyido-
ais who have been guilty. 81 exciung the hostility
q the Cieets might be brought 10 copdign punish
Incn,.
We mtke tie following extracts from The debate
Which took place % tbs su5ject;-
NJ Wise said he bsd been enieavoring all the
session 70 elicit the sst- IN regard 10 the cause OF
the Indian ho-..lltes. lie bal information enough
on the subject TO lead him TO the conclusion that
the sllcgauoas Of the memorial were true. We
had documentary evidence on oul files that the Sem
mole war originated IN the manner Indicated IN the
memorial aud he believed that some Of the exc
culye officers Of the government were concerned
in the transactions; 1t had been very difficult TO
obtain any information on the subject The littlc
that was obtained from the Departments was like
drawing their eye-,ee,h nn, of them. lie greatly
preferred That The investigation should be entrusted
TO o select committee of this House.
Mr.. HAYES thld there were frauds enough IN re-
lation 10 the Indians and the public lands to sink
any povoi nment on the face Of the earth (; and he
wished TO see who It was that committed them, ant
who were engaged in covering them up. fthe
House would permit the investigation TO proceed
i, would save millions Of dollars to the government
Even the Indians would discontinue their hosililcs
when they found Congress disposed to look into
the state of their affairs and the frauds committed
upon them.
Mr. Robertson added his request that the gen
tlcman from Alabama would modify his resolution
as to direct an inquiry by committee Of the
House. This House was the grand inquest Of tho
nation. and by it the inquiry ought to be made.
It was matter of establishment to the nation,
,hst every u,emp, on this DOR to Investigate pub
lie abuses was resisted aud defeated. The ufor-
nation could not be obtained FROM the Executive,
however well disposed he might be to afford 1t.
The abuses had long been going on under his eyes,
but they would be concealed, as they had heretofore
been concealed from his view. Moreover this
House was clothed with Judicial power and could
command the attendance Of Witnesses, &c. which
the President could not
Mr.. Mann Of n. Y. said he should not vote
against the resolution, because he was convinced.
from former experience and observation, that invts-
legations by committees of this House were utterly
mpotent. They we're among the humbugs of the
day. Ii was said that We could confer no new
power upon the President by a resolution charging
him With the invest anon. This was true but 1t
would have the effect to direct his attention special
ly 10 tie subject
Mr.. Adams made some remarks in support Of the
right of the llonse to make the inquiry solicited
by the memoriasts, and the expedency of the ex
ercisc OF that rght.-To refer the memorial 10 the
President would be no answer TO the memorialis.s
and would be an abandonment of the constitutional
power Of this House. 1t was well known, too that
the President was in possession OF all the power
yer this subject which this House could lmpart to
him. lie had the power to carry into execution
the lars Of the United States and he was said 10
be engaged in the investigation Of the subject
We could give him additional power. All we
could do, by the course which some gentlemen adj
vocated. TO lay the lives, the fortunes, and the
feelings OF our own constituents al his feet He
,houhg tsuch course a denial Of the right Of the
memorials to petition this House for the redress
of the grievance Of which they complained Mr..
A. said he felt IT his duty, tins OCCASION to make
some remarks in reply to the extraordinary,
maiLtained by tie gentleman from New York, (Mr.
M4nn.) He understood that gentleman to main
tam that The exercise Of any power by This House to
investigate the circumstance attending public frauds
abuses, violence, or wars, was mere humJug.
hr. Mann. Of New York explained. In all ca.
ses, heretofore, Investigations by the House and
ITS committee had proved to be hgmLug. That
was what he said.
Mr.. Adams said il was sentiment impeachinp
the Constitution Of the United States. But he
would take issue with the gentleman as to he fact.
Was the investigation into the abuses of the Post
othce humbug aud was there ever an inquiry
which was more steadily resisted step by step,
than that vast 1t sGs very far, however from.
proving TO be hunbug in the eyes Of the majority
OF this House. or Of tins nation. Was it not then
eontended that IN the management OF that Depart
menl, there was nothing that was corrupt or ire
gnlsr, OF even iniproydenl' The gentleman him
self would hardly rise aud maintain that position
now, however much he might have been disposed
TO do II, during the progress Of that humbug
PO'sder trorks biOWh mp. The following psrticu-
lars OF the blowing up Of the pow der mills of Messrs