Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1833-01-31

Mr. Mangum, afer some preliminary remarks upon the
proprey OF delaying the debate upon THIS subject uuul
the result oil the discussion elsewhere should be had,
moved TO poSpo the consideration OF the resolutions and
aunenduen until Thursday next
Mr. Foot enlured II the amendment proposed to the
amendment by the gentleman from Delaware Mr. Clay
toni was before the Senate:
Tho Chair stated tina, the proposition had been read aud
ordered TO lac printed but had not been moved.
Mr.. Clayton then requested Mr.. Mangum . withdraw
his motion TO pos pone, To enable him his amend
mcu which Mir aS,cued--Mt hen Mr. CLAYTON ,noy ed
strike the 5 and 9th resolutions OF Mr. Grup,ly's
substitute and insert instead thereof his amendment
Mr.. Mangum then renewed his motion to postpone to
Thursday.
Mr. Webster said he disposed to allow the Sena-
tor from South Carolina, Mr.. Clhounl selec, his own
time Tor the consideration OF the resolutions lie was
unwilling to Interfere with any understanding which
might exist between the Senator from North Carolina
Mr. MAnguml and that gentleman this subject, un-
less extended to the special orcrthe bill reported by
the Committee vi the judiciary He could not assent TO
the pOstponcment OF that bill.
DIR. Calhoun had request to make of the Senator from
Tennessee, ISir Grundyl which was founded on strict
justice. Ii not necessary for him detain the Sc
nate with detailed statement of the situation the State
Of South Carolina. sufficient that that State
acting in her sovereign capacity Judge other his
in the last resort had annuled certain acts OF Congress
The President OF the United States, taking view oil the
rights OF the State entirely different from that entertained
by her, had promulgated his proclamation that effect
As clzch oil that State, and representing her in part in
the Senate, he had moved certain specific propositions
which Inc had drawn with great carewhich did
tain single word which not absolutely truo-and
which he offered plea in bar the measures which
had been reported by the Judiciary Committee in pursu-
ance OF the Executive recommendation. lie wished TO
ntcrpose the Constitution of the United States between
this BILL which erects military despoSm, and
dicator-and disguise ii you WILL the bill
repeal of the Constituon-or The purpose carrying
on war against South Carolina. He had cndoav
erpoSe that neglected and despiscd instrument the Con-
stulion, IN Gar to the prosecution OF this How had
his wishes been e Instead of meeting the issue he had
intended TO form by his plea in bar another been put
in, which, by the rules of the Senate overridcs it, Be-
lore any tribunal, there culprt humble
enjoy the right OF making his defence in his way
oil the "a,
Mr. Grnndy, the exercise OF this right denied To
sovereign State lie therefore claimed of that gentleman
to withdraw his amendment, that the issue might fairly
made up.
Mr. Grundy not unwilling TO discharge any duty
imposed on him by the bligaliOns OF Justice But he
must in this be permitted exercise his own u,lr-
meni as 10 the obligation ii the posponement that had
bern moved should be carried, he should have AN oppor
tuniiy OF considering the claim OF the gentleman While
he was up, he would make single remark upon the
statement of the gentleman that the bill reported from the
committee OF the Judiciary repealed the constitution and
erected a military despouSn. 1t The gem
tleman entirely mistaken. 1t a pacific measure
intended to prevent brothers from shedding each others
blood. When the bill should regularly come before the
Senate, he could demonstrate that il not hostile
none of its provisions led to hostitybut
the Other hand, that il expressly designed TO pre-
vent collision between the citizens Of South Carolina
the other States
MIR Calhoun said to the pacific character OF this bill
Good Lord, deliver us! 1t proposed to make peace by
anuihilaing the Government of sovereign Saten the
first instance, by shutting up her Courts of Justce-and
The principle Is carried out, by shutting up her Legs
latarc well "a the Convention OF her citizens gen
uemen really desire peace, their path is easy one
Ihey had only 10 repeal those laws which have been
tohi by the President unjust and by the Secretary
of the Treasury unnecessary for the purposes Of
Let this be donror let the rev enue provisions OF those
laws be separated from the protective, and my for it,
the State OF South Corond will withdraw her Ordinance
There were hundred modes preferable TO that OF humb
ling sovereign member OF the Union 10 the dust Should
the gentleman from Tennessee Mr. Grundy ] refuse to
Withdraw his amendment lie would propose amendment
10 il, which he wished might be read, hich was
cording done, and ordered TO be printed
Mr.. Crundy requested permission to make declara
ton, which he wished might be remembered. lie had
never gwen hls aid IN establishing the iariHsystem. He
probably willing 90 far the Senator from
South Carolina, Mr. Calhoun in reducing that system
Ia raising his vice this su jet, in behalf OF
the Tariff but in support oil The Union. Any personal ap
peal With regard io reduction OF du les was not app
cable hn-any u.imuatiou that he s'ed TO preserve
The Tariff system unjust. The gentleman says the
bill ircm The Judiciary Committees closes The Courts OF
Just &C of Sou'h Carolina. lie would enc ilo by way OF
reply, whether that State has not lcgsa'ed tie Unit
Stat out ot lis limit The object the b.li is 10 give
due ef CT to The Constitutional powers Of the General 90
Mr. Calhoun said Il gentleman had enquired if South
Carolina had legislard ilc Uu ed ates out of ill.,
Limits. lie answered The States have reserved
poweyS-the United Sta es dele gated powers The State
had thrown herself upon her reserved powers obtain
justice. No hing intended but 10 process by
process Nospplcdon OF force ON the part of the State
had been contemp aed when the United States-a giant
"ih hundred arms, forward and says keep the
peace! ed now proposes TO subvert the State Govern
mont.
Mr. Webster thought nothing could be more OCULAR
than this discussion, unless the gentleman from South
CdlhOunl acts upon The notion that ltlS
cos'ary, in order TO oppose measure with success TO
give it bad name, and TO denounce in advance what lie
might find difficult controyert in argument when it
regularly before the Senate. He could not one
OF the Committee which had reported the bill sit silently
after hearing that gentleman state that its object
erect military despotism--to create Diclaor.-He
proposed 10 try conclusions with the gentleman with re-
ference to its provisions, at suitable time, aud in
suitable manner. The gentleman not only sure of
his own integrity, which he Mr. w should not doubt
but certain Of the absolute truth Of his resolutions
TO the word and letter.
Mr. Calhoun said, there fact stated in them
which true.
Mr. Web5ter.-That is what deny, and wish TO put
in issue.
Mr. Calhoun would be happy to meet that issue.
Mr. webster had met with nothing comparable TO the
absolute inallbity Of the gentleman upon abstract ques
tons, except the Of tie hero of Hudibras who had
met with and convesed with Truth in her proper person
Humble minds, like his own which had enjoyed that
advantage compelled acquire the knowledge Of
Truth by argument, reasoning and discussion. the
measures recommended in the bill reported from the Ju
dietary Committee, he felt il incumbent him say
there principle be found in it which was not
IN strict conformity with the Constitution and the laws
heretofore passed With regard every provision in the
bill except the first section he might, iii deemed
proper the mode Of reasoning called by logcians
gumenfunl al h0minem, for there not of them
which had not received the sanction and support OF the
representatives OF South Carolina and again. The
charge that the bill erected desposm and created die
alor, he felt bound to repe Loud sounding words of
character upon such subject, were unworthy the gem
leman,
Mr. Calhoun said, fhe had the wit Of the author Of HUI
dibras he would not 1t upon such solemn occasion.
IL was not his purpose denOuncc the bill the commit
tee which had reported it, though the citizens of South
Carolina exercising powers but such rghtluly be-