Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1833-04-02

consideration 10 those Illegal meetings and dreadful outra-
ges which had been described, could question the necessi-
~ OF this measure. After the statement MAIDS TO the
house by the noble Earl. in which he explained the
grounds ON which he rested the measure, il did appear TO
him thai, no man cou d fairly question its Justice or the ne
cessiiy which called Tor H.. tie could almost wish that il
bad pas ed "ihout any observation or alteration. Both
the loyal p, ople in this country ad in ireland, and even
the deiudcd and mislcd peasan ~ then selves, who we're
at present the victims OF the machinalions OF artul men,
ought 10 give thanks 10 the noble Earl tor the firm aud do.
cid,d msnuer in which this subj ct had been bought ior-
ward, ami he hoped the noble Earl YOU'D not be dsp:eas-
ell ii he ven'vred % edd bis individual thanks TO those OF
the com ny. He would also venture to add the individu
al thanks of all his ilord Yves moreiands y noble col
leagues, with whom he had acted 50 long during the reign
OF the late King, George Ill, wbeu they also had been
compelled reluctantly TO call for additional powers
He thanked the noble earl IN the names OF a noble mar.
qnis, OF a noble earl 1--WE believe BAthursD OF Viscount
Sidmouth, Ond OF the Duke OF Poriland, who, la times, the
circumstances OF which, were similar to the present, stood
forward To require powers such as were now sought fot
10y His Maiesty's ministers. Whatever obloQuy might
formerly have been cast on those who demanded addition
al powers, they only required them out Of regard for the
laws order and Tor the preservation OF their country. under
the particular circumstances in which tho empire was
placed. He thought that thanks were due TO ministers
Tor adopting such u course; and, putting aside oil other con-
sderatons, for having, when they found Themselves thus
circumstanced, brought forward a measure, which, in his
opinion, was a right ami proper one. BY thus proceeding
they had justified him and his noble colleagues Tor having
on former occasions, pursued the same line oil conduct.
Whatever were the charges that might DO advanced
against noble lords opposite, that wa not the time for them.
The question now was, whether they should not all join in
eudeavoring 20 restore ireland TO allegiance TO His NJ ,jes-
ty. Upon these grounds, differing as lac did upon MANY
points from the noble lord opposite, he should vote Tor the
bill.
The bill was then read a third time and passed, and or
dered to he carried TO the Commons.
liz the House Of Commentator lis being received in
the House OF Commons, I,rd Althorp moved that it be
printed, and Ihat the first reading take place on Wednesday
next, Feb. 9th.
into the debate, he would enter his protest against the
bill.
Mr.. Hume wished to know when the house might ex-
pect the remedial measure which the government had
1 promised. He hoped that the house would not pass the
present bill until the others were passed, or at least until
I they were satisfied that they would pass, lest they should
render themselves liable TO be charged with passing only
the coercive measure. The experience of last year was
not TO be lost upon him.-The government then told the
{ house that remedial measures should be passed with the
coercive measure. The latter was passed, but the house
never saw the others. (Hcar)
E Lord Althorp said that a bill which he intended as a
remedial measure, namely, that for getting rid of the col
s lection of tythes under the former system, was passed tu-
ring The last session. II gentlemen chose 10 put a different
Interpretation on what ministers said, from that which
they intended them TO bear, il was not their fault. The
Q report OF the 1.-THE ommiuee, il it had been examined.
$ would have shown what was the nature OF the remedial
measure which the government intended TO propose upon
that occasion. With respect TO the remedial measure al
present in contemplation, he had stated a day or two ago
that he hoped TO be able to Introduce the bill for church re-
form by the end of next week, aud the bill Tor amending
The grand jury system by the middle OF the week. Il
= was for the house 10 decide whether they had sufficient
3 confidence III ministers TO believe that they were in ear
nest when they said they would carry Though the remedial
c measures. CLEAR, bear)
t MI. O'ConnclI said, the members of that House might
be disposed TO place the fullest confidence in the intention
0 OF ministers, aud to believe that they had the power of car
rying their remedial measures through that house, but mi.
lnisters would not insinuate that they could control another
assembly. (Hear) Could it be said, that in another place
0 any measure advantageous to Ireland was certain OF pass
= ing! Any thing disadvantageous to her was, lie knew
U sure to pass,-any measure springing from malignant ha-
tired of that country. e. Hear" and murInurs.) No more
on that point. He understood from the noble lord a Few
s nights since that he expected to have been able 10 intro
II duce the Grand Jury Bill during the week.
& Lord AIthrop.-I said next week.
He would not make any reply TO the taunts and refec
o tons and insinuaiions OF the noble Earl (Westmorelsnd
8 with respect 10 what had formerly occurred. His opinion
remained unchanged; and il is very possible with peIiec
ssS S@ss SafS 5d TO Oppose p Ss measures ne s%5',s a, one IL tune because !; eth the!
q scT'p"on must de pend upon The circumstances, # the coun
Try 10 which they applied. Ii came TO the plea of srric
necessity alter all, and he could assure the house tiat h,
u never executed a hIoe painful duty than that which h,
U had TO perform in bringing forward such measures (Haar
c hear) hat being the case. lie must observe that there d,
exist IN Ireland a system of violence and intimidation wbicl
II prevented The due execution OF the law, and which binIere,
o prosecutors and witnesses from coming lorwar as thew ha,
made one observation by which he appeared necessariI,
> " connect two measures which had 10 connection viii
e"ch o'her' Undoubtedly ministers had dccldred-and i
T. some parties had given Them more confidence for thei,
u soed Intentions and would wait with a little more patience
q 10 see whether they woHld perform their promises in.roar
Q oil exciting violent opposition before they knew what Iht
y" 'o"iuS' VI government was likely 10 be, il might haye
o tended more TO the peace OF Ireland unJoubted7v minis,
ters had held forth an expectation that il was then their in.
> tehuon' acting OH the principles which they had aIyav.
. Pro'essed' ana he would venture 10 say, OH which they
had already acted, to direct their attention TO the reuedy
oil the real aud acknowledged grievances OF ireland. So
! ANXIOUS mad they been TO prove 10 the house and the coun.
~ ""' "0y "eIe MOI puttlHg Iorth mere professions, that
uey MAO Iakeh The earliest possible opportunity after the
opening oil The session TO declare the measures which il vas
) lhelf intention TO propose TO Parliament Those measures
. had Oeen acknowledged by the reluctant consent of the
non and learned membeT himself, which he now yainly al.
tempted TO retract, TO be real and subst intial measures of
relief and remedies for abuses. At the ame time ,ba,
ministers announced these measures they applied To Par
lament Tor another measure-which they had lately asked
Ior ana reluctantly resorted tO-when il was imperiousIv
cdlled Tor, not Tor the maintenance OF The present admins.
Ua'lon, but Tor the maintenance OF any administration, and
which, he declared to God, he would not have asked for.
s't,'nB on he benches where he did, if he would not have
VOteu Tor sittIng OH those opposed TO him. (CheersO
III any administration, let il have been formed NJ ,yb,,
party II might, had, in the present state of ireland, proposed
'he measure which 1t was his painful duty TO have recon-
mehded' In oIhce or out OF office, ne would equally have
supported That measure, which he held to be not of coer.
eve outot a protective nature. (Cheers) But, although
u was right that the house and the country should know
what remedial measures il was proposed should acco,nna.
ny lhe restrictive but necessary measures, it was not ne
cessary mat two sets of measures should move Doyi Dasst
side by side through both Houses Of Parliament. The hon
ana learned member said that the government could not
carry measures Tor the benefit Of Ireland through the other
mousse Speaking in the name OF the cabinet. he said Thai tLe
government was pledged to carry those measure tbrourh,
III they could not carry the remedial as wen as the painIuI
ana cOercive measures they were no longer a government
-thGy could not continue 10 sit on those benches-
(Cheers) lie said that if they were unable to car
y 'helr measures through, they were not only ana
bic 10 exercise, but unworthy OF exercising. tne fnnc-
gfaced by continuing to hold the situation which he
nhed under such an administration. (CheersO Co
'e'hmen'' therefore, was pledged 10 this-lhal both the
remedial and the coeTciye measure slould pass.-They
were bound by their character they were bound bv
their siiuations-they were bound by their honor AZ
gentlemen % TO carry them through; and il they failed
IN doing so, they could not continue TO hold their ia
ailons-they could not call upon the hou,e IN nI,rs con.