Constitutional Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1824-1832, 1832-04-17

residence among the Indians and Negroes and in
'nMeI that Il mission to such j court deserved u
good salGry.
| Mr.. TAZEwELI. declined entering into any
comparison of the consistency of the Senator from
Name ana his own: and then pointed out the differ
cn'e which existed between tho Panama mission
anu the present. 1t had become question, when
the tor.:cr under consider tion. whether the
Executive had the power to send Minister'S to such
at"nSrcss an that which WAS about To assemble
Where non" could toll how the votes To he Ia
ken whether per capita or per stH'fcs. On this
il)"ct tho decision Of the Committee on Foreign
>cittl"ns was III op .oSiton I" that of Il majority
! oil the Senate \ majority oe tho House Ind con
cured with the majority of the Senate, AMI made
inc appropriations for tho pay and outfits. But as
n mad believed that the President had riyht to
send ,h'ac Mini tcrr, he had determined to do no
act winch would a?porr TO sanction that right. He
uiSc!ai'ncd having s,ii Guatemala country of
Indians and Negroes, aud repeated wha: he had
Stited IN reference 70 tho port of Omoa, and the
| limits oil the country.
Mr. BENTON referred 10 4 conmerci Al docu
'nent to shcw that the commerce of Guatemala
was OF mora Importance than had been stated; and
That there had bSn large imports from that coun
cry ct gold and Sircr in coins, and also in bullion
nc th"a%ht this tr:dc required nursing as the
country was Young.
Mr. HOLMES mad. brief explanation. dis,-
r"rlnS any design to misrcprcscn: what had fallen
! from tic Senator from Virginia
Mr.. CLAY stated that hc did no. SEQ much in
the objection which had been made TO his motion
The Charge was yet in this country he had not
gone on his mission; and if, in his journey to the
,''i,'c ci'ics' and the preparations for departure
nc h,i incurred any expenses. he should feel no
"nwil;ingness to reimburse him. The salary an
proprit'cd is yet uncarnod. lie would presently re-
icr 10 two Missions which have for some time
' . "' no use; and he you'll inquire how these
Agents were TO be recalled He alluded TO the
agents Tor Claims in Paris and in London There
arc n,'t two modes of recalling these agents. Tho
= 'cS'"'h' may send for them, but if he should not
'hcy can only be recalled by the refusal of Con
SFcss 10 make the appropriations for them In tho
present case, rs tho gent had not ronc no injury
c"uii he done to him by the refusal of the appro
pria'ion. He stated that when this non,ination
WIS acted on, 1t hrppencd to he on one of the two
or three days in which he h,d been prevented this
session, from attending his duties THROUGH indsno
si'ipn. Here an office may he terminated bv with
honing the appropriation which had no, been earn
su' or tho President may proven: the CHARGE from
ieaNing the country. 1t would have hcen better
ma 'hcSc objections been made when the nomin.
uon was under consideration; but he did not
think II was now too ltr. He believed that there
:: va" Ut present no government at Guatemala. Was
~ represented by any aren't hcrcl Was there any
S.i"r%e from Guatemala in this country? The las.
| Minister from that country a most cIccllcu. and
'hiig'itched man, WAS Mr. Canas with whom tho
treaty had been made. Since that time bitter war
n'u oeeh raging. Where then should be the diff
! caty OF acting now that the Minister is here to
reverse the nomination, taking care to reimbnrsc
min Tor his expenditures? If there was even
! moral obligation to send him, now. in case il
S''o"u pe found proper to do so, can the Mission
w 'Nrn'ihatcd! According to the doctrine of
the other side, Minister once sent can nevn- no
recalled lie believed that the commerce with
"iatcnllli was very tritiing. The precious metals
men nae been referred to- came from Peru through
''uHtcn'aa but It is well known that the Guatcma
1t MINES hid net been worked for some time. He
reminded the Senator from Virginia that there had
oech bitter contest between Mexico and Gurtc-
,'.Sil concerning the possession of province
winch stretches into North America
MIR. ElBB made few observations in oppositiop
10 tho motion expressing his hope that what had
oeen cone IN this case by the President with the
ADVICE ana consent OF the Senate, would not be
reversed III this manner. lie considered the mat
tcr us no" placed beyond the control of the Senate
The right OF appointing to foreign Missions and of
receiving foreign Minister'S nc viewed as an exclr
Sivc right apPcrtaining to the President In the
present instance, the Senate had confirmed the
nomination, and the other House havinr approprint-
cd the means, it must be palpabc that the SENATE
could not do otherwise than conform to circum
stances. 1t had been asked how a Mission could
ever be got rid of? BY Executive discretion And
the President act wrong for once he Is account,
Die 1or that wrong. He was disposed to give to
every Executive fair support unless it could he
Sic"n that there existed palpable and gross abuse
l. was asked II any functonary from Guatemala,
was In TINS country! He believed not but we must
begin. The commerce t-ifling, it was said but
1t may be increased, and il the country was unset
ticd, there was stronger reason for sending a Min
lster to protect American interests and propcrtv
MT. CHAMBERS gave the reasons which would
compel INN to vote against the motion He re-
GREETED that it had been made at this time Jf tbc
statements of the Senator had been made at ano
thcr time, they would doubtless have influenced
his vote, and probably the nomination would have
met WIN different fate. But he could not, after
passing on the nomination, agree to reject the an
preparation Tor the salary He hoped the Senator
from kentucky would consent to withdraw his mo-
tion ana TINS relieve him from the unpleasant pre-
oicaiiient OF beng compelled to vote against ii
lie believed the mission to be unnecessary and i'm
proper, yet he should now be compcicd TO rive bis
vote in accordance with those who entertained the
Delici that it was both unnecessary and inproner
MIR. FORSYTH spoke briefly in opposition TO
the motion. He of the opinion that to refuse
the appropriation so Immediately after confirming
the nomination would expose the Senate to some
cenSnre 1t was said that this mission was unne
cGfsary' Ihc nomination was made TO replace the
Minister appointed last session. There had been
plenty of time to inquire mt the necessity. Why
mad there been no call for information after what
the President had stated Oh the subject in his annu
al message? Here MIR. +. read an extract from
thc Message on the subject Of relations with
Guatemala lie thought the mission was neccs
Sary and that the appropriation ought not q be ro
fused, without sufficient reason being given
The Senator from Kentucky had remarked on
the increase of diplomatic agents. He did not I'M
dcrStHnd that the remark had been made by way
OF ccnsurc. But, if it was, it might be easy TO
$hew that savings had been effected by the present
Administration, by changing the grades of Minis. |
tcrs Two missions had been cut down
Mr.. CLAY. What two7
Mr.. FORSYTH Chill and Mexico.
Mr.. CLAY. Chill was cut down under An. lac,
MIR. FORSYTH. There then was but one-Ncr.
lco. But the President had stated his intention to
cut down that to Co!oirbii. The increased ernenJ
lures had been attributed TO removals In NAV
Of these the Administration could not be made re-
sPonSi5ic Some had died, and some had been re-.