Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1832-12-20


as one OF the most able lucid souai arguments he had
ever seem On those principles alone could this Govern
ment ever be preserved. The gentleman Gom Georg ia
hau TOLD The House that the exercise OF doubtful powers
had brought this Government to the brink of ruin Mr.
o mough on the contrary. that il the doctrines held
by that gentleman HIMSELF and by who agreed
him. and which trinmphanily rclu,cd in the Proc
lnaion which had brought the Government into danger
IL was the doctrine of State Rights doctrine which l. #
The General Government and useless which had
brought the Government to the brink Of ruin These doc
trines had beea widely ditiSed the country; and
wherever they came they operated like poison Oh lh. no.
dy polite he doctrine was nprac,cabe: was doc
trine under which this mt could Dc, alone
was the doctrine alone put forth in the Executive Pro
eanatoh, which could save the Government and enable
TO continue its functions He was reoiced TO see thai
doctrine promulgated under the great seal He trusted il
would he sustained by the nation and would furnish :.
BOOK Tor alter times He trusted that the People all
tos would rally round the President and sus.
tam htn IN all constitutional enforce the laws
and preserve the Union He then TO lay the
luton and amendment the table.
On this question Nr. clay Alabama, demanded the
as follows Yeas SO, Nays IFS.
BILE. w "
MIR Polk said that he had anticipated such debate
as now seemed likely arise on mere incidental cues
ton The clause OF the message which had re IN
che exercise OF doubtful powers only spoke of those
ers as connected with the subject OF Internal Inuroy.
ment. Mr. r. was unwilling to be responsible Tor the
debate aud therefore consented 10 withdraw his amend
ment
Mr. Daniel said that he had no more remarks 70 mako
than signify his regret for the sentiment expressed bv
he gentleman IRON Pennsylvania, that his entire
accorded with those contained in the Presidents procla
nation.
Mr. Polk called Mr. Daniel to order He was pro-
ceeding remark paper not before the House AMI
Mhich had no connexion with the srtject before the
House. W"
The Chair read the resolution before the Ho,ss and
ead mat he could not decide whether the gentleman ON
Kentucky was in order until he proceeded farther in his
remarks.
Mr. Polk said the gentleman was going 10 dscus, tho
Presidents proclamation.
The Chair said that that would not be in order.
Mr. Daniel said that he regretted that he should be
found transcendng the boundaries order in the opinion
OF the gentleman from Tennessee, who was he knew
great Judge OF order, aud himself very orderly member
OF the House. He regretted that such shod
consider him of order was about 10 express his
regret that any member of that House should declare
himself satisfied with all the sentiments contained i'm that
prccamaton-a proclamation that declared that Repre
sentative was not the representative of his own consu
cnts, but Of
The Chair decided the gentleman to be out of order
The proclamation was not before the House. and the dis
cussion was irrelevant TO the subject proposed for the
action of the House.
Mr. Daniel said he had intended to discuss the sub.
lect oil doubtful powers; and going bring i'm TO
his aid the opinions Of the President as expressed in
certain paper. He had been going TO ask whether Tho
doctrine that representative Representative moi
OF his own constituents, but of the whole people of the
United States was doctrine that the gentleman from
pennsylvania would contend for? aud whether the ge nile
man approved the doctrine that the constitution was form
cd by the people, not in separate communities but as an
aggregate! Ii the gentleman Pennsv lvana agreed
10 such sentiments, then Mr.. d. disagreed with the gen
tleman; disagreed with him in toto He regretted that
any member of the House should agree such notions
10 him they appeared 10 be the very essence of consoa
lon. They had been so considered and represented
ny all the republicans who figured the theatre at the
time the constitution was adopted Mr. d. said he ,yas
In favor OF resolution that would bring these questions
up that If these doubtful powers they might be
Stated; especially (l the chair pleased the subject of
internal Improvement
lie said he had been urging in favor of the reference
he had moved The message laid down the general posi-
nou that no should be exercisedby Congress when
ever one-ourh OF the people OF the Union opposed
TO He was desirous OF having report OH this doctrine
IN order 10 prevent civil and dsunon. He hoped
congress would take up the subject aud settle it, He
had seen paper purporing 10 be proclamation which
the gentleman from Pennsy vania said he approved He
supposed the gentleman approved too that single indiv
dual should be singled Tor nartydom that an en-
deavor should be made excite part Of the Union
against another part OF it. 1t was high time indeed that
Congress should
otar as the President recommended peace and harmo
ny, Mr. d. went with him. But if any of the States
chose 10 go of from the confederacy Gods name let il
goin He would not be for whipping it in. Let
them part in harmony and good feeling. These were his
opinions.
The Chair said he could permit such discussion to
procecd--it was entirely out OF order.
MR. Dane SAID he was discussing the subject of internal
The Chair pronounced Mr.. d. 10 be out of order: he
was discussing subjects not before the House
MI SAID he had no disposition the limits of
oTderand as he was contradiced by the Chair he SUP
posed he must submit He would, however, say TO the
honorable Speaker that he understood what was the
o before the House-he stood in need of information
on ha SUBJECT Tie was in favor OF the reference of this
part OF the message 10 Select Committee because he
thought II would bring up the whole subject of doubtful
powers generally To get at that subject he had acceded
he proposal OF the gentleman from North Carolina
(Mr SpeighO TO offer his resolution in the form of
an amendment: He was now told he could not 90
on TO discuss the subject OF doubtful powers-hougb
the gentleman from Georgia (Mr Foster) had done
The same, and called 10 order for H. IL
seemed, however, that he could not be permitted To
refer 10 The opinions of distinguished individuals bv
way Illustration of his opinions The gentleman from,
georgia mad said that discomfort dsunion followed the
exercise OF doubtful powers. lie had followed i'm the
gentleman wake-and believed that gentleman did that
he exercise OF these powers would bad
iniusaton OF this sentiment, he had referred to the Proc
anaon oil the President, and had been about TO discuss
that document with this view.
he Chair said il was not in order 10 do So
MI ~ then observed that, he was declared out OF
order by the Chair, he would his seat And he sat
dawn. " " "
Mr. Stewart Observed he had not said that he spproved
oil every thng that contained in the proclatnaon e
doctrines there set orthhe approved of the doctrine of
the proclamation as 10 the powers OF the Government
Inc Chair said 1t not in order now TO discuss that
document " ''''O'' N'''
Mr. Stewart said he was only explaining to the House
ana TO the nation what he had declared what he meant 10
declare, and what he ready to stand by and defend
here and elsewhere.
Mr.. Vinton called Mr Stewart IN order
After some explanations between those gentlemen and
the Chair,
MI McDuhe said that there was no doubt some misap.
PrehensIon OF The question Of ORDER he regretted that The
gentleman from POnDs yvania had been deptyed of the
opportunity OF pr nouncing eulogium on document
which, III Mr. McDs opinion, laid low the liberties of the
country.
The Chair said the subject Of the proclamation could
MOI no" De discussed save by special leave Of the House
Mol fttnn IL L.