Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1832-01-17

Mr.. Sutherland said, hs would not put the question then
in another form, and ask him as a gentleman ms meaning
i'm what he had said.
Mr.. Wavne said. that he could easily answer this, but
il was not his purpose to let the ingenuity oi,he honorable
gentleman bring him into collision with persons Tor whom
he had a high esteem.
had Given a reason why he did not answer his question.
Mr.. $. proceeded 10 say. it was probable, that, in his sec
lion the pres sent Chief Magistrate would, at the next cleo
ton, have the whole vote.-Thosc who ieit a wish TO so
with the present administration, TO give it their support,
could never assent TO the dreadful policy-hc would call
il the suicidal policy-which had been that day proposed,
as TO the memorial before them. After some further re-
marks, Mr.. 5. concluded, by hoping the house would meet
the President in the same manly, honest way, on this
question, as he had met hcm-tha they would let him
have the credit of putting his veto on, or giving his appro-
baton to, n bill on the subject. We should wrong the
President, and wrong the government, il, after three sue
cesSivc years of flashing, we deny him an opportunity to act
on the measure. Above all, he wished the country re-
lievcd from its suspense. Ithad been truly said, that the
rise or fall of stocks depended every year on the Presidents
message. Something should be done on the subject-it
was the wish of the President, the wish OF the Bank, and
it was the wish Of the country. In justice to one and TO
all of them, they could not refuse 10 act, 20 act now, and
to act definitely on this matter.
Mr.. Bates, of Maine, and afterwards Mr.. Wayne incf-
fectually moved an adjournment.
Mi, Carson said, that from the course the discussion had
taken. he fclt it necessary 10 say a few more words
When up before on the subject, he had been anxious TO as
certain the course the question had previously taken, but
it appears that now the subject is made to resolve it
selfinto a party question; and that those who were oppos-
ed TO the bank, will vote for a select committee. If the
question were now 10 he called up for re-chartcring the
bank, he (AIr. CO should probably vote against il; but il
the constitutionality and expediency of the bank were
proved, he should certainly yield the opinions he then
held, and vote for il. He observed that he had heard with
regret the gentlemen from MARYLAND, (Mr. Howard had
said that he should vote for the bank, benefit it when il
might. The gentleman from Pennsylvania also, (hr.
Sutherland1 had said that his opinions were not known,
and indeed many persons opinions were not known, pend
ing an election. But no would ask those gentlemen whe-
Their ifthey were convinced of the unconstitutionality OF
the bank charter, they would violate the constitution by
renewing the charters! To talk of the constitutional pow
ers Of Congress was now vain and idle; il reminded him OF
the sayings ofold Nathaniel Macon, who had illustrated the
| new doctrines, by taking leave of the constitution, as Of an
old friend, whom he had long endeavorcd 10 preserve,
and who was now about departing from him forever. In
the investigation ofthe bank question, Mr.. Carson asked
ii they were not to look into the corruptions which might
exist in it or TO the mode OF managing its concerns. Would
those who supported the bank shut out enquiry, and vote
tinguished man, Commodore Stephen Decatur, that he
was for his country, right or wrong; and that said MIR. c. i
am also. fthis was made a party question, by voting it
on party grounds 10 a select committee, he would not be
l~pnriiceps crintiniS. He would not aid. He concluded
by remarking, that the part ofthe Presidents message on
the subject of the national currency w referred to a Sc
lect committee, Of which Mr.. Calhoun was the chairman.
Mr.. Ellsworth said, the subject Of the Bank had been
repeatedly pressed upon the attention Of Congress, by the
Presidents in their messages,a and it was ofgreat importance
to the interests of 1.-THE community, that the question should
be settled with all the despatch compatible with delibera.
ton. The gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Wayne) is OPP
posed, 1t seems, TO the reference TO the Committee O
Ways and Means, or, The ground that the memorial wa,
political and premature. He denied that it was prema.
tura, and again urged the speedy action of the House up
on it.
Mr.. Wayne rose in explanation. He must have beer
misunderstood, for he had not used a word that went t
argue that the memorial was premature. He had said thai
the reasons assigned in the memorial for its presentation
selves of a particular state Of public affairs to coerce the
House in granting them the charter. He had not, he re
pea'ed, said that it was premature; on the contrary, h,
unouSht IL was rot SO, and was prepared to meet the ques
ton.
Mr.. Davis, o south Carolina, said that having failed |,
accomplish his object, which was TO arrest debate on
question of reference, he should Withdraw his proposition
to commit the memorial to a Committee Of the Whole on
the state of the Union.
" was accordingly withdrawn.
Mr.. Holman said, he thought this memorial should &c
10 a select committee. No standing committee would he
able 10 enter sufficiently into the merits of the case, whilst
inc question was one OF public policy, and the bank was
nc, rseII before The House, its reference to the Committee
oil ways and Means was well enough. But the matter
was now changed. The Bank came before them asking
renewal OF their charter. 1t was now their duty to exam.
Inc INTO the conStituionaiity of the measure. 10 see in yyba
manner they had used their privilege; if thew had acted
ialrly and propcrly-if such y renewal would be Of bene
ut 10 me country at large. They were not to take things
upon faith now, or let the bank give its own character.
ihey were TO examine papers, take the evidence of wit
nesses upon oath, and probe the whole matter to the bot
tom. Too do all this, he should wish a committee TO be an
pointed, Of careful and iudicious men, who would he able
TO dlvHst the subject, of the fictions of interest, and the
false co'oring OF anger.
Mr.. l.. Condict said, that with a view 10 prevcpt tho IN.
hictlon OF more speeches, he should move the previous
question. ~
The call for the previous question was seconded bv a
vote ofaycs 96-noes 81.
The main question was then ordered TO be put.
MI. FORSYTH asked for the yeas and nays on the main
@-. '"-Ni NiR OIbtIt'l. Il " main question was
on referring the memorial to the Committee on Ways and
Means. Upon this the votes were as follows:
feas-Mcssrs Adams, Allan, Allison, Armstrong, Ar
mold Ashley Babcock, Banks, Noyes Barber, John 6.
barbour Baringer, Barstow, Isaac C. Bates, Bell, Briggs,
Bnchcr, Eurd, Burgess, Cahoon, Chiffon, Chonte, Collier
Lewis Condict, Silas Condit, Eleutheros Cooke, Bates
Cooke Cooper, Corwin, Coulter, Craig, Crane, Crawford.
creighton John Davis, Dearborn, Denny, Dickinson. bod
bridge, Drayton, Duncan, Ellsworth, George Evans. 10.
shua Evans, Edward Everett, Horace Everett, Gilmore
GrcnneII' Hester, Hughes, Hunt, Huntington. IngersolL
,Tvln' sacks Jeniler, r. M. Johnson, Kendall, Kennon'
Henry King, Letcher, Lyon, Marshall, Maxwell, Robert
McCoy, McDuCie, McKennan, Mercer, Milligan, Mub-
lenoerg, Newton, Pearce, Pendleton, Pitcher, Potts, Ran
dolph' John Reed, Root, Russell, VIM. b. Shepard, South
ard' Spnlght, Cranberry, Stewart, Sutherland, Taylor. phi
lemon Thomas, Tompkins, Tracy, Vance, Verplanck' Win.
ION " ashington, Watmough, Wilkin, Elisha Wbitjesev.
100. N"o "a"e' fouhg-
NG,ys,-Adair, Alexander, Anderson, Angel, Annie.
,on' Archer, BarnweH. James Bates, Beardslev. BERGEN
James Blair, John Blair, Boon, Bouck, Bouldin. Jobn
brodhead, John G. Brodhcad, Cambrelcnp. Carr. Carson
GnandIer, Chlnn, Claiborne, Clay, Coke, Conner. Daniel
davenport, W arren r.. Davis, Davan, Dewart. Donhie
day, relder, Findlay. Fitzgerald, Ford, Foster, Gather
t,rilin' Thomas H.. Hall, VIM. Hall, Hammond. Uarner
iiawes, Hawkins, Hoffman, Hogan, Holland, Horn
howard Hubbard, Jarvis, Jewett, Cave johnson. CHARLES
= johnson kavanaugh, Adam King, Lamar. Iansin1
EcavItt Lecompte Lewis, Mann, MarIis. Mason NJ
tdrtV, M. McCOv, McTntire Mitchell N.....-