Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1831-04-08


der to he considered OF psrL ament These mhich
were hrs places on the civil st would in ell prota.
oiiy be the old;s iivt'; and therefore lie M,jesty
would gain some advantage by Ihe Ssrang enient He
ia no. n wrvet Tia thst lhe HYuss would obi to
giving ,h,' aivsn'ege 10 his Majesty, considering the
yr adv n,sge lich would tttive itseU rom ,bs
con roui "hioh II would h, ncei,rw0id ,xelc,ee over
the tension q. He woud lrorsed % safe ;he
grounds why lie Tou'd mt ok a ay trn cir ow-
u,rs any psnsi, ne Ihat ptesett sxi. ing Ii
wa. unceniabe that many ct tie peps % The list
ct present orsbi never o have teen grau;ed ct ALL
On the best eSan alton tina IA has been ahle TO give
hem. IL aIpea ed ihst large no ioTiy OF them were
pune leusCns Of oharty-C Loud csies OF Hear, hay
-1nd 'heref!ie' o oke then swey now, ,h.y
ed been 60 lo=g etjoyed, would DO 10 iLacI great
nou'c h.d legal Ugh TO take oil these ptn,Sns a.
way, II u so pit I'd. Great Giles o; hear, teat y
They ee,taniy had expired with the demise OF tbs
Ciowu- (ieat) but though tie House had a lsgI
rlg h to oiscoptue IL. he ubied Whether had an
equitable right fr ,hsy had hitherto always been
,'rh'.d on the supp0,uon that when orce tbtaiucd5
'hey we've 10 be hsd not merely for the lille OF
ne Sv,reisn who granted, but also for he life Of
he parties who held ihem. Tha .esui o, his system
whish he cw uhfiisd 20 .be House, would be no
laimeda's saving 10 the public. He begged pardon,
mere was some saving, tui II was under ego 600 and
he s,oro Le lid not Vi Tx necessary TO ell upon
IL lac th7uEb', however, th,t IL wa, If great i'm.
poi,uce to Tie public ihat Ministers ,bru subtract
tow the civil 81 sum of c 100 OQO, aSd place ua-
yer NE eon'ro! OF PaFsmsnt The sum which the
n'SNt fou GeOteman opposite PROPOSED TO devote TO
the civil lis, OF lis Nsjs,,y was E97O ,OOU the sum
whlsh bs proposed TO devote 10 t va. E5lO0OO He
thoubh h; that this reduction et great Import
aIs~, een nCuid enable pstliameut 10 exercise d.
rec con rol over Tie G,viouls.ic expenditure Of us
count y, AID over the salaries Of various big oices
when had hitherto been protected fto lie supeTvsvn
Htvirg stated thus mach 20 ihe H-u.s, hs ,nus,,Iow
iuoiu u, that htie bet pou' TO, ,uteed, be-
lensiny 70 The tNIiti, but .li. 10 crrtain degree,
esuueeed w Ih i, Oh watch lie felt il DO hi, duty
10 maks PUBIC statement. IL w0ulI be 10 tbe
eeuoO 81 many eInber, that whsp George III. mar
fled, sun oil E5A,OOO was krOusd TO hts Queen, as
a. GU at TO Pu'ehass jewels Indeed, her MAje,ty's
a a ~ ~ h. H.
ny The SANE sCk place again when the late Prin
sess Charlotte married. He had every reason to Ls
iava MAI prorO'It.n for srsniing su~ OF money
's an on h' TO Ter rreest MtjestS, had been under
consideration OF the lse administration. The Duke Of
ellington eUnsidsred such propositions not IN
es'onaols prCposion He Tho ChaLeeiior Nf the E,-
,bequrrO ikewise CONSIDERED Il not unreasonable
'rorositi.p. (tiear) IL the House would only cen.
ider that her Majesty bad been suddenly ea,el upon
prepare sttysl e.tsblbm and that IL was an ar.
aous task oE ssy ons, Who began in debt to escape
rom ditheuliies, be thought that il would agree with
N in deemrs the proposition not unreasonable But
, hsn be nubnied II 10 k. Majesty, his Majesty with
Which IA 50 Lonou able to hiCa aud with that soiic
ude 10 satisfy their wishes which had disiipg ushsd
him itom the commencement Of his regL 10 ihe pres
seat hour declined to accept sly grant f,r aush OBJ
&C. (lmmehss cheering from both sides OF the
feufe) Under other circumstances, they might have
'een 40 other ministers might have besu, PEELED
10 otherwise. They, however, had the happiness to
ervs master Tho was net only ready 10 listen to
very suggestion CD thsir paEt, bat VITO most
him as Of advantage 20 the country aud as eoutf.
'ung TO the welfare Of his people. (Chee,s) This
disposition ii wN', Oh tie part CT his Msjesy, which
lad caused the commencement OF hs reian to be hail.
III with go much sasisetoni and this disposition il was
sheh would render bic alsje'ty, during the cou,nu-
ace OF his reign, what his ii Sesty had hitherto been
one @. the popular mouarebs thsl ever occupied
he 'hfone (Lcud End general cheetog) Hs had now
'ny 10 move, that the papers he had is upon the
Die be referred 10 ihs committee.
Mr. GoULBURN-i DO Tot Tise 10 tn'es mo anyd
aiis teear log the civil list, aud shall iJ!,ow The sx
ample OF the Noble Lord and hs if.e ends, who, when
had the honor OF making M s.atemen, reserved tha
e. Westion ct a decided Opin until hey had dus
line Tor consideration. But 1 eanuot refrain even
upon this htst occAti0n, rcin Offering iew cLserya-
tons upon what has fallen from the Noble Lord I
that the decision the House Ic in No.
vember last was thai the details OF the measure were
to be suhmii,edio committee up stairs, in order that
they gh report, only what they uouy hit o,iybt
10 be the amount OF the civil si, hui he jr, als bty
considered expedent understood The Right Hon.
Beronet (Sir ii. Psnei) who proposed the committee;
grounded himself upon precedent which went the
lie tn have stated. He intended that any measure
TO be introduced Jy ministers should result
from the enquiries OF thai COMMITTEES; aud the point at
issue between the Right Ion. Baronet and myself
wac whether the preparation oil the estimates belong
ed most 10 the oil the Crown or to select
committee. Whatever va, the decision OF the House
upon that occasion, j am glad, at least ic have the
sanction Of the Noble Lord the principle that /, was
tbs duty OF the Government, let it be composed Of
when II might 10 un ertaks the task of preparing the
estimates usiead Of dele gazing the responsibility 10
o hers Tue Noble Lord has said that he has ef daa.
vored TO conform himself 20 tbs principle advanced in
debate by those who opposed ihe plan had the honor
OF submitting. lie has excluded from the civil sI ali
that not strictly attached 10 the personal comfort
aod dignity OF the Sovereign and no i', doubt aware
that IN taking this he has been guilty OF de-
partefe from The principle upon which svery Govern
nc nj has hitherto se,ed Is the settlement OF the civil
list IT has always been the practice ct the coinmsne.
ment OF every reign 10 provide for the civil govern.
mont, snd Tor the expense OF the civil st in ose cum
The Noble Lord takes upon himself for the fret time.
10 separate the provon tor the personal comfort of tho
soveTeEn from the provision OF the civil gOvVrnsn'
ind 1ben he comes TO lock iuto the vsrieus depar
men's, AppreheGd he will 6bd il extremely difieult
10 follow up the principle lac hss adoptedThore is ia
tbs Constitution connection 30 Intimate between what
regards the civil government OF the country and What
conaetns the d gny and comfort OF the Crown, that
when tho Noble Lord examines The details, he will
hpd very d.fBsult 20 ice ny some Of the eharseshe
hrs LEI, on he civil lsL But shall ha betsr prepa.
red to dscus Ibis poiat wNe the minuii0 before
the House. The general features Of The plan OF thu
Noble Lord a. he has justly stated do not efsct any
Rreat ieduction OF expsnse. He has eandidly stated,
az was he would DO, that, having inquired, he
found tbat considerable diiabUtoo OF charge could
he made without infringing on The comforts OF The
King AID on ibs rroPer splendour and dignity Of the
Throne l may c0bgrd ulais myself, therefore on
upon this important point, aud there t. not candid
man IN ne tounry, Who would nol render The sans
justice 10 he estimates broush icf ward by his Maje-
ty's la Government Whatever nay have been said
mere. or whatever may hive hetn the cry raised
aganh them oui Of doors, IL admitted hdt hey
were nFthsr eNaggera ed Dor in proper There 10
'tnf ortani alteration pop3tcd by The Noble Lord, IN
which confess eel n.idetabs apprehension. APP
ebend that what the Noble Lord puts for ward