Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1831-05-13

declaration which he Uord Grew had made in the
year ioiI-he cii not know on wha, occasion. The no.
ole Duke seemed TO think that the de claration which he
'hen Diade proved that his opinion then was not the
same as II YVES now. He (Lord Grew would moi ua-
ue''ake 70 recoileet every thing that he bad said during
the period oil 10 years that he had occupied a seat 10
Parhsinen'. But he was 30 ccr6dent in the principle
that had regulated his opinion-ae was 50 con6deut OF
'he consistency OF the views he had enisrta;ned,- aud
nat lie had never sweryed from urging The necessity Of
a parliamentary refVrm,-ihat he wonlJ maintain, with.
out isar OF contradiction, that he had never said any,
hing that was contrary to that opinion, or adverse 10 The
question oil reform. II he had rightly understood the
noble Duke,hi Ootd Gtey's0 declaration related TO the
benefit arisiog irtm HE prescott House OF Cominoas;
gu, lie had no Objection 10 cay now, tba', with all is
tSnhs, (Which SO lar from helping il TO work well, imped-
ed It's m.nons) 1t was s'nb taking ii altogether, the
bes, legislative assembly 10 the world. BIi il was be.
cause he thought that The eGtet for which il had been
formed would DO produced in a s,ill greater devtcs
mat he proposed the present measur. for however
good IL might be, he could not shut his eyes TO the
great and notorious detects which had been proved 10
eA,'-nore especially when those defects were more
anu more ieit ny the people, and were p-odue.ng weak
ness aud insecurity where there ough, TO be s:reust IN
AID security The noble Duke had ,ad tha, he lei,
10 ainerence between them as to peac-; il the Noble
Duke mean (and no did not me an to insinua,e ,bal he
did not mean / that his desire was The preservation Of
peace, theSe certainly was no difference between III IN.
but me No'le Dixie had taken credit for moi haviog
asked any questions calculated 10 emharrass The Ga-
Vefnment. He was sure that the Noble Duke too well
understood his duty to put questions, in he very deli
ea'e aud dlihct II 'iiuaion in which he mus, have known
- NS - IldCCt. II even u tDey
had been put, he (Lorl Grey0 at least too well knew
his duty to have answered them. He claimed credi,
Tor having endeavoied TO preserve peace, but at The
same time he begged TO assure their L.orLsbips that
he never would sacrifice any thing that he believed
10 be essential TO the honor and welfare OF England
Wfh respect TO retrenchment, he certainly he'd not been
ahie 10 do dill that, under The circumstances of the
country, ii was lis mos. anxious wish 10 DO. He
begged heir Lordships TO recall the situation ia which
me present G-vernnent had found the country
There was every reason to a~pprehend ,Lat the peace ei
Europe would he ali tlrbet. at tptna tha a,a. III.
ress prevailed in the manufacturing dis rlc.s; rosud
Lond-n the is'ricis were in a state OF open insurree-
ton. what 'hs measures Of government had been The
country has seen, aud he trusted that they had no.
been deficient in The performance OF ,hei. duly. This
situation made Ii possible for them TO adop. any urea,
system OF reirenchmen'. la the state of Europe
they could not diminish their army OR navy. In the
STATE oil domestic afairs, and considering Low the
military TO- e was divided, il, had heen absolutely ne.
cessery 20 make an addition TO it, and the speei'l com.
ml'sious that had been issu d had Of course bee a
source OF expense TO the coun,ry.-Ncvertheles. he
.hough, tina, they hal a right TO take credit for having
zone a great deal undec The circumstances. Th- PEN
zion list had bsea reduced ir)m l59, 000l TO rs OOOl
though 1t had been though, not right TO deprive those
tina. actually possessed this charitable allowance, which.
IN most instances, was wor'hiiy bestowed. la tina
pension lisi, howe yer, he bad no share whA,eyer. or Al,
least TIE only one that ne had recomnerd,d WIS one
ihai YRS granted in 1906 TO the widow Of Mr.. Fox. Ia
Tue posi-oiilce, whisb was under The management Of
nj; Noble Friend, VINO, he mu.t say, was one OF the
most efficient public officers the country had ever had,
there was to bs comfortable reduction: no less than
ioriy or fifty principal officers, and fIsm hny TO six'v
inferior ones berg cut of, by which there would be a
saving to the country of 20,o00l. In addition to This,
m"Gy other savings had been effected in other depart.
msnte; and he thought he might appeal TO the country
whether he had not done all in the way of retrench.
ineh' that was within bis power. The last remaining
pont was that OF parliamentary ~reform.-The Noble
Duke IN speakieg OF this, had complained that the
name oil his Majesty had been unduiy used: he had
., ever, adnited that the Government had no, used
1t beyond %sigDifying that the Kings consent had been
gwen 10 MS measure, aud that Ii was quite improper
10 suppose that the introduction OF il had Influenced
any oil no votes in the other House OF Parliament.
Ia this he thought that the Noble Duke was quite cor.
rec; and all that could be assumed was III, the mea.
sure had been Submitted, TO the King, ard that his cor
sent had been given. But was This unconstitutional!
We're t'measurts oi,n Introduced by message or Nv
spe oh, even before they were brous hit into Pariia
menU He thought, therefore, that the G~ovrrnnent
stood clear from aUy improper use OF the Kings name
on this ~suhjec,-But he could not forget bow he No
Bile Duke, on a former OCCASION, had turned round to an
Duke and said that he could confidently 40.
'ett mat the measure he was ,hen proposing had the
cCnsent OF the lac sovereign. He did mol, however,
wish 10 build any vindication on what had been an i'm.
proper precedent; but he trusted at least The Noble
Duke would remember his in mitigation of what ho
had charged against them.
The Duke OF Wellington said he had passed no
censure.
Earl Grey had understood the Noble Duke 70 saw
iha, the Kings name had been used, and certainly
he had understood, that as a ceueure. But much stress
had also been laid upon he Government having threat
ened the Parliament. They had held oui no threat:
.hey fai Intended to hold out no threat; thew
were no, authorized in holding on; any threat
mat he would say was, that he thought This
MEASURE, sun as II was, mme by the Min
l'ny, WoIld be oil tbs greatest importance to The
10 that measure 40 was connected bear,
soul, and he would rot shrink rem any advice
which he thought was necessary for its support.
(Hear, hear Tbs noble Duke had told Them that
they Cngh. 10 look TO the opposition of a Leeisla.
tive Assembly, and net TO the quail icaiion of the vo
But what ihey did was 10 look 10 tha, COMPOST
on so as TO make /! the real representation of the PEG
in ~PaEliament, and how were they TO do that but
by taking care tina. the electors should he such voters
as would ensure a real representation? Tie Noble
Duke had also complained that the elective franchise
TO be extended TO the ccpyholdess aud lesseholders
in counties; and he had stated that this would increase
The number of voters by 5000 in Hampshire alone
How this could be, he Nord Grew did not very ,el
the numbers were not above 5000 or 5000. and
therefore, did not think that he change proposed
could make any Thing like the addition of which The
NO 10 Duke had spoken. With respect, however,
to Insertions or omissions, ihere would be no objection
10 such ifthey could be shown to be necessary. The
Noble Duke had also complained that, under the new
system, Government would be without lie due iu.
huence---NOw, he Lord Grey) thought that il would
Sill have all the iEHusnce that II ought 10 possess. L.
would stand on the aiectiiOns of The people. He had
no fear but II would he able 10 carry all good measures
INTO effect. with respect TO the church OF Erglend
and htbes, his answer was thjs-that no belle we'd the
people oil England were attached, and Justly attached,
to the supper, OF The national church establishment:
with a real House of COmmoos he thought there
vas no Tear (7hateyer attempts might bs made 10 cor.
the abuses Of that church, that there would he any
de'irs TO invade any Of her just rightS. His NojleFTiend
(bord WharncliGe) had said thal this was not a rest
ins place, but that il would lead 10 ulIerior conseauen-
ces, and in the end would prove fatal to the empire. He
Grey believed thai ihs very reverse Of this
would be the CAGE, Tor he belle we'd tina. il would be ae-