Constitutional Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1824-1832, 1831-06-09


against the principle and details of the b express
cd ms surprizc how the trainers of could have brought
such measure forward. But if ho Mr. Stanley was
much mistaken his right hon. friend had
suited the details OF this measure ten days before it
had been brought forward. [Iicar.l lie could inform
his right hon. friend that it three hours ago
since he had received letter which then his
pocket inviting him to offer hi elf candidate for
the county OF Montgomery tA laugh.l lie had no
intention OF conteSng the county with his right hon.
friend, but of this lie sure that IL his right hon.
friend had given dissatisfaction by his conduct in Par
Lament, persons of more talent than he MR. Stanley
could boast would soon be found to avail themselves of
the present state of opinion. IT. fallacy to saw
his right hon. friend had said ti;t the business of
the country was done by those who represented the
rotten boroughs. Did tie rotten boroughs represent
the people of England? No. they represented the first
man who would buy them. Hear, hear.l The borough
of Nlboun Port for instance, had lately returned into
that House Il member from Catholic ireland. Nothing
could he more clear thup thai the question of reform
hung upon the debate OF that night loud cheers
from the ministerial sidc and cries of No no." from
the oppoSon.l There might be sincere reform
orS "ho, splitting hairs, and refining tmidly on the
question: were opposed to the present pan but he would
let them and the public. ana their constituents know
that III DONG So they doing great injury the
cause OF reform; they permitting u favorable op-
portuny to pass away by taking advantage OF which
they might contribute to tue of that great ques
uo instead OF depressing the hopes which the country
aduiScd of seeing Parliament at last the true rcpresen
llcar.l
Mr.. &. w. Wynne explained.
of the bill to introduce uhcr honcster menbers
II Parliament; but they had proof before them that
the county OF Montgomery ut least could not, under
amy alteration, exercise more udcious choice than it
ad udcrthe present system The hon member for South
wark was another that there want of dc
Icnt amongst another body ELECTORS The great ohcc
ton TO the measure was that it opened door change,
the end OF which he could see. He should support
the motion of Gen. Guscoymc.
Fir. NORTH had forescen that the BILL it vas then
framed, would never be presented for the appreciation
and sanction of the The end to he attained by
the measure, and the for attaining that ond, were
so utterly ucomprelensble and insufficient that it
was totally impossible for government whatever on
considering the matter muturely adopt BILL was
evident that those who framed il had not fthomed the
dcpth OF that abyss into which the would plunge
me whole country. In every page the reader might
trace the doubt the ndeciso and the precipitation with
, which the measure had been connected
Mr. OCoNNEI must confess that he was not ut all sur
priced at the gross tissue of MISREPRESENTATION respect
ing Ireland which bad just been uttered by the hon
member, when he recoec:cd his conduct OF, former
occasions Tie had not said what the hon. member for
DFogheoa had imputed to him. lie had misreprcsented
the opinions OF the country the Reform Bill and on
the question OF the repeal of the Union for when the
orer was most strenuously supported, the latter was
II Ike manner opposed. Had the city of Belfast
the counties OF Down, Antrim, and Armagh, expressed
themselves loudly in favor of rcforn; and would tho
non member assert that thcrcwas but voice in that
hihSGonl which was III favor of REFORM and he who
was SO disposed seeking repeal the Union? Had
The monarchy and the House of Peers no claims IN tho
respect OF the people of England but what were derived
t.s rotten borough system the prop und stay of the
Church of England? (Cries of sOh oh") It was
oy' worse than folly, to make such assertion for
every one OF those estates would be able to assert itself
without aid of the close boroughs Would that those
who were anxious about the Inouarchy-woud that
those WHO talked Of the pety of the church vtIou,
thinking of its plumber; would that they initiated the
example which had been set-and then indeed there
would be q saiutary reform introduced into England
"ch you'd give security to the privileges of the peer
age, and to the church all the advantages that ber
sed ideas could give The speech of the hon. me,ber
TOR Droghea was peec to prevent Justice bein done
to his native country. England, Scotland and W,es
were combined Ill this House to deprive Ireland of
chance OF huViHg proper number representative
(Ho, no. Yes, and every low and vulgar prejudice was
appealed TO to prevent Ireland having Justice done tn
hcr. Not single voice has been raised for Ireland
but lninc, to show that ireland has been wronued
Throughout. want justice from this country. Reiuc
uon OF members is considered monstrous thinr !,
England. send to Ireland tell them there TINT
1t IS considered monst-ous to reduce the English repre
'cntut!on but that considered nothing to ia ke aay
is was done at the Union, tWotirds of the Irish re-
presentation. 1t said that ireland did not contr
butte her fair proportion of taxation Did tbev who
raised this calumny know that the taxes raised from the
customs were never brought to the credit of the Irish
treasury? Did they know that treat part of the cou
try was Ill the hands of abscntees? Taxation mad been
hkcncd to the scorching The scorching sun went
over Ireland, but OF the refreshing dews eyer via
tied 1t. lrclund had thirytwo countless Thero 1.or
bat two which had not 100000 inhabitants So that
according to the rule which had boon laid down there
would be increase Of thirty members for Irish Co..
ties hc population of none of the great towns had
been at all taken into consideration. Tcnty counties
mad loO,oOO inhabitants. If they were English com
they would be returning two members each IF the
tnion existed III reality, aud moreIv in name 20 Of
re counties would have increase of rcpresent,tives
we've counties contained 100000 inhabitants four
+SuOOu9, and ono upwards of GOO OOn and vet tbor
naa not one additional mchcr. This was the cusc he
made out for Ireland. Why should not tho commit ei
yronc, with 2OUOO0, have many ,tives =,
"aoiorganshire, with 100000 inbabants7 T,birJiv
religious fcuds were called in aid II was has ca
ny to say that Catholic approved of Catholic in pre-
ieroncn to Protestant, when the me- :, was equal He
appealed 20 The member for Kilkenny whose cons4;t,,
onts were al! Catholics. Tic called upon the n,cTnbr
Tor Drogheda, who tie chief caumniator of Trn
ilnd at present - Cries of "C!lair chnrpl
The SfENEER said, he was sure that the honorable
men""r would feel that his language was not justified
and nc "aS sure ne would also acknowledge that vvhe
lie tho Speakcr) his manner as ndicative RI tbo
same torgetulness as his language.
MY. OCoNNELf was conscious that he had been no
'rayed into what wrong. He was sorry for IL rr
correction from the chair, when he was wrong no
orc submitted more checr6Illy than he did He Gould
return to the question Hc called on the honorable
member, If be felt for Ireland, to fling his motion 70
the Winds am laughed at Concluded Mr. OConneIIS
haye my answer.
Ng licNT said, it had been stated that the ,ne},bcr
Tor Preston supported tlis bill a fucrum on which n