Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1831-05-10
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DEBATE ON ppEopu

swersd by Lord Durham aud Lord Plunkett In ,bis
age o, ne debate Lord Bfougbam to- k the fol-.
Inc LORD CHANCELLOR owa NJ little apology
70 your Lordships for troubling you with any lur,her
discussion this subject under III exciting circums,ar-
ces At ms lac hour OF The night, bot still more owe
an apology TO my Noble aud l. aned. Friend who pro-
esdeJ me, when l fiss 10 say aoy thin g after him, be.
'ofe mere Is even a shadow ofrep,y 10 his clear, .ner.
geiic, representative, and unsnsw cradle spe, ch. Blu,
although | agree with the N bic Yiscouni, who is a
great auiho.ity en- these suhjecs g, snd with some o, those
VINO SPOKE after hiD, that il is roi nece sary on The pre-
seh' session TO go minu;e'y iato he details of The mea-
sure, yeti can in no way admit Ina, il is in any way IN.
becoming or improper In me 10 take this OPP or,uuiy of
sta'iAg my sentinen's 90 the bill generally, ond on it's
phi"cular parts. The noble Lord who opened he de-
oste, let himself compelled 10 admit, in the course ofh.s
argument, that the measure was su ppor,ed by the pe-
uuons oil all cias,esoi the coumuni' y, which came pout-
ing IN upon us in ~boundless vsrie Y, end in countless
numbers, almost all OF them expressing the most ardent
uesire that your Lordships should sirenuousiy supper,
me measure, auj speed 1t To he foo, Of the throne.
no discussion took Place upon any OF this petitions,
without pro'esto being laYishiy entered against the it,
regular ADD inccnveni-nt mode of breaking the debate
npoD the grand question. and altering i, away in con-
versa'ional discussions. Il. was sid, swat until an or
Toriunlty is given Tor a regular debate upon the bill
wait TIL the moment somes for which we poht-.tay
the wishiul course oil your proceedings, the advent OF
which we gladly hail, aud then we will be no longer
restrained by the %fastidious iesli gs which now blight
our genius and depress our asdour for deb,te, but we
shall rush down into the arena, and meet you with glad
ness" Such has been the language of the opponents
OF the bill, hut now IL appears that another and a very
diferen, movement, has b.en made by ,hese great tao
| HNfoas AN oiot a. DtCEA WIFI Uut
ly throwing oct a few skirmishers; then nay Noble
Friend gave his notice Of a motion, and then his notice
was Withdrawn. More petitions wsre presented, more
conversation took place, mere parties were indulged
in, more complaints oil irI regularity ensued, AID more
reluctance at the discussion was expressed. Then,
again, Noble Dukes, Noble Earle, and Noble Bsronc,
entered into piecemeal convarsaIions; then, sgain, i,
was said, wait ill d proper day, and keep he ieas, on
The ieas,-day A few skirID shers, however, were again
t'rown cut, and when it was askrd,why do you change
your tactics all OF a sudden ard thus get cut Of the Jaws
OF The lion, 1t was answered, ave viii give a Lollce OF
mo ion, end have a debate at once" The present,
therefore, is an occasion Of their own seeking, and lie
enemies oil the nea ure have brought forward This
question for tie view and purPoie OF having a pieha-
tu:e and %ine;den'al discussion. Then The cry was,
''D1ni be carried away by an incidental discusslcn"
| will ask, what has been doue during he whole ses-
sion bu' to engage in incidental s. premature discussions?
First, we had the Incidental discussion upon the tim
Der trade, and then the st ject Of taxes was to be in.
cidenta lY discussed. IL should make the hsir OF the
Nsbie Viscount stand on end, when be heard that q tax
had been debated in ;hst House, bsfJrs he Chsucelior
OF HE Exchsquer had proposed il 10 the House
OF Commons. IL may lie Irregular and peculiar
to the present session., and 10 the present opp
si,ion, and to the times in which we live, but |
cannot apply the epHLe, unprecedented TO the
courTc taken by the opponents OF the bill. Ny no.
Die lend gave notice OF a motion for the p oduction
of papers, and ihs Mole Lord at the head Of The Trea.
sury Bench declared thai he had no o. ice ion 10 their
beitg produced. Upon this my Noble Friend siid, that
his n.oion was 10 aft: I'd an opportunity &c Gi-cuss The
whole question OF parliamentary reform which he was
as anxious to attack as the o her side was 10 drfeud
a las, CONES the day-:he important day-big with the
fate oil The Noble Lords Important! speech-(A laugh)
- made TO 10 aRswerable by his Moi.sty's MiEi,ers
After all This PROMISE aud prepare 10, | saw the No
bic Lord Moving on en- echellOn, although he bad just
been intrenebed behind The Commsnder.in Chief. The
Noble Lord declined the combat, and moved oil, aid ed
by The CHIT %squadrons from the cross benches, until
he had nearly emp!ied the House. Ministers thus
louni The mselves in an awkward situation-su,h a si,.
uation as it was not tery usual for Ministers 10 be
placed in. They were actually looking out for antago-
nis,s Their eyes wandered over tie House in all
quarters TO search for opponents, and every here and
| fha-. L. ~ 50 wv nHIy q h,rh ruh.oA I'll - a .k.-l
tina il The bush were well beaten game nigh; be sprung.
The bushes were we'll beaten, aud stll no game toek
wing. Mini,t'rs were reduced to the necessity OF
lighting shy. In this state OF things, your l. -rdships
will not expect me to 20 into a libeIa al discus sion upon
tie principles Of the hill, or t. touch upon It's deta,ls.
Whei c they have been attacked they have been sue
oessiuily defended. Ii was the constant, and the great
aud tue triumf liant, and The tanning ar gumeni in tho
mouths OF the aDii-Tofofmtrs in former years-"We
follow a pain, strsightfcrward, and direct eourse-
our way i, uniform and unqualified; bat a. for you, the ad-
vOeates of reform, there i, no gtaPpiiug with you; wha,
one man amongst you will maintain, another gives up:
what one clipgs TO, another attacks; aud whst enc de.
sciibes as the very foundation and c0Tnor-siona Of the
measure, auether Ct you will tell us would b. the ruin
and total destruction OF The consitu.i5u-The:e are Az
many plans anio' gstu as there are advocate fh'sc form ;
aud you are all yloieutiD 'be pfaise Of your own the
cries, and in he condemnation of hose pa. forw ard hy
yourf-llow re iorms." That was Tho line Of argument
used by The late Mr.. Canning, and used 6y him
with ls wcnted felicity, against the msau of
reiIrm. He never lest sight If an opportunity
OF applying that principle TO tie measure, wheue.e IL
was OTouH t forward IN any shs pc IN P6Tiiiu cot, and
in hi. unqualified and consistent opponton to re ofm
he made greatUs Of hat argument as 10 The divsfsiiy
OF opinions amongst reiorm-Is ihemseives, and no one
at the time TEL, mere the force If that ar gumt u, than I
debut now the 'ablss are turned, 8n1ibat argunent.
az to contrlrieiy of sentiment and diversity oil opinion
can he Ell sciusly tutnsd against the eiorm eTs
t emselves. Upon the present measure Of rgfrm |
agree with all roy colleagues cordially and completely.
ard almost he whole population Of the couuity hive
adopted il 81 heir CHOSEN child, which they viii pal
,ooize with fostering care sni fond aHsttion. Thev
look At IL as a whole MEASURE, aud as a whole msasur.
they will have IL. | agree With thsm in ealing Tor The
propoIe1 measure OF reform, and for no o'her. Al the
-e.ormsrs ATE nav Ig-aed upon n at peiof-they bavs
buried in oblivion their minor dii1erences-they have
given up their disagreements and dissensions-they have
rallied round this measure as a centre Of union, and
no longer can il be tauniingly objected to them that one
class of them approved of one measure of reform, aud
another class of a different one-they are all unanimous
for the bill, and the bill only. But while all is thus
simple and on one side-on the side Of 10
matters stand in the enemy's camp? In their argument
not merely against reform generally, but against this
specific measure, will there be found that agreements,
that uniformity, and that consistency, which were so
much vaun'ed Of in the day e Nj. Canti Z? Lei
your Lordships but isst attend fer a mom-n,.
and yon wili zee bat The rtfOrmeTs hevs TOW
chat ged places with their opporens, and iha,
shs ch5rgs Of diver,i end diuni u cen now b
fairly ,hrowa in the teeth Of he anti !, TO mcrs. /
vii just refer, IL ilusrd'ion aud ia proof, 10 he spetct.
Il my nobls iriend, who rad brought frwsrd ttis mo-.
,ioa ic-nisht. In the course Of argument which M,
noble friend adop ed, and In he tao ani eatdid spseci