Constitutional Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1824-1832, 1831-06-09

On inc subject lie did after the speech OF the
honorable and learned member for Waterford, because
ne feared he might have caught the contag of tho
spirit winch that speech was given. ftear0 But sure
ne was II he had been infected, would have pro-
yea only the temporary excitement OF the debate. He
passed six years of the early period of his political
me IN Ireland, and had contracted for that country
friendly disposition, which he trusted would ami
mate ms bosom. he felt that tho interests OF Ireland
We're interviewer with the interests of England; and
where was the who understood the true interests Of
both countries who did not think so? Every thing
winch went diminish the prosperity OF tho one OF ncces
sty reacted upon tho other. (ucar.) Miserable,
indeed, would the advantages England, If they
& obtained at tho expense of the sister country
Mist no listening to the speech of tho hon. and
learned member for Waterford, he confessed nc had
drawn miserable orboding of what were to be the
sequences of the proposition ofthat night, should the
motion of his gallant friend DO lost. tHear Could
thing be urged upon maintaining the number of English
representatives without having declared that it
n act OF injustice Ireland to increase the number
OF her representatives! Much had been stated in the
course OF the dehnos; but until the bill had ccn
introduced, no had heard nothing upon the subject of
the relative number of representatives of England Ire
land, and Scotland Should the bill pass he felt per-
suaded that there would be innumerabe objections and
comparisons about population-(hear)and the number
OF members; not merely with respect to Ireland
Scotland bet aimos. every county and town. Did the
tousc think that the people would remain contented
with the population returns of 1921? How would the
luo0uOUO0 of people In the colonial empire be repre-
sented in Parliament, the event of the pas
sing? He would contend that the motion of his gal
n friend did not convey any hostility towards Icland7
sense of the House in favor of alteration in the
number of its members from the plan which ministers
mad proposed he should not consider that alteration
any infringement of the principles of the bill (ear
lie would frankly that he hostile to the bill
and that he should give all the fa;r opposition which
he could. Loud cheers from the onnos;t;ou eide re
the House. 1t had been said to him, and others who
thought with him. eff you object to this measure of
FORM why do you not bring forward of your own"
iie aid not pursue SUCH course, because he knew he
should be unted with having brought forward his n,pn
OF reform for the of again getting into power
itoaF, hear He was aware of the great inconveni-
enco which had followed from fequeat chances in tho
executive government, and glad should he have been
had they brought forward such plan of moderate 70
form us he could have given his support to-Ear GREY
ana the Lord Chancellor spoke of reform of moderate
description. Then how could it be i1naoined so exton
sive species OF reform would be submitted To Prl;,
ent by his Maestys ministers? For his own part he
saw no resson f5f that deviation could be
mace IN either OF the opinions recently EXPRESSED bv
the noble ear. and noble duke alluded BE believed
tnat MS speeches upon the Catholic question had fur
hshed numerous arguments in favor of the reform me-
sure. But In his opinion there wide difference
between the two questions Tho catholic question was
one OF hnai settlement, but that the reform question
would be considered and dealt with he could not
put entertain fears. Hear. 1t had been said il, tri
unPhan tone, thnt the of DISTINGUISHING tho forty
iroe holders vas analogous to the
sie ooIoughs included in the schedule of the BILL us
Tar as the principle of both concerned He would
MAINTAIN that the two cases were totally distinct
Ll,ear. 1.-THE same proof of the necessity of conGs-
eating the rights of English borouuhs could Ia
out as had been clearly established with resper,
40 shilling free holders of Ireland, then he might deal
out the Same justice 70 the former
lie thought that the bill 9aye to Iondon md ~ or
vlrons' by increasing the number to sixteen members
ah ihuence which London ought not to possess Oh
econs he'd been raised to the influence which was
sossed 6y the aristocracy (Henr.)-ue bcgred to in
9ue OF the noble lord who cheered him and the lord
who was seated by his side, to whom he the
Lofo owed his seat for the borough of NAL
ION AL hrst the object OF the noble lord r. RussellI
had been to confer the right of voting on OL house.
noaers. ct they had made greater alteration in the
system OF their bill than that bill had made in the whole
system OF the Kingdom In fact, the alteration from
lOt householders to those rated above that vn,c WINS
must valuable alteration in tho measure In the town
OF Manchester there 770 rated TO the moor Ito
from lOt to POI. There we're s5I bonses rotJ =. ."'
wards OF 2Ok the amount of the assessments nm NJ
Perty on which was e9,90oE, while on the I'm ratd
below eUf the assessment was but 10 1901; and tbera
fore II the 1Ot vote had continued ysbont tho ;n,S
on OF the higher valuation the lower class would b
ehtreiy oVerpowercd tie former and overwhelmed tho
power OF property altogether That would - -
the case had residents been excluded fror, o,;
yesterday, however the noble lord had found ont *
eneTence' and instead of confirming the franchise 70
voters SluIced them according TO an
OF the Lord Chancellor, with d. 500 non rasin,
sttuents Loud CheeTs.l What then hec,n,n &c III
Pcpe OF the DILL, not only with respect to proncrtI
out non-resldenco? The noble lord asked Gar,L
cltement; and in of rejecting the hill y,bo f
venture TO carry on the government He b,d - ~
ruinoTed tnht the question put with this view
hahely' tnat II I'VE wore incapable of CONTINUING o..
govern public affairs would at least rennor "
incapable of doing So" loud md con,;,J TeIS
nom the opPoston.l He acted upon his own ndgrne,
ana therefore his conscience his peace BE lsd ,
ted the consequences that would result from tho
before the House, and, ifthese were prendic,I b ,
Mold as responsible or them those Ministers VIII ~
wnout consideration proposed them, and who accorJ
ing to the statement OF the noble lord wo,d
county TO the melancholy alternative esDeng that done
~ S ih'sohtcFous, or consigning the country ,11
mate!y to misrue and anarchy CiSbe riobt I ui.-
Die oaronet sat down amidst loud chcers) ''''i -
dHE ATToRSEY GENgEAL rose araidst 1o,d o;, g
,t question withdraw" which lasted for conside
Iaolc tTnc. lio was naturally anxious to exnr 10;
opinion on the resolution before the 49, ms
I not to DO put down by calnor He csrtan
mat tho place he had the honor to 6 would
ehtle him to the right of saying few words AND ha
ioUm rs ire tne Rouse thu he would not occupy them
IN ms opinion the adopting the resouton would
extremely ernbarrass their future proceed;ngs anJ %
tney recoiiected that the committee would b ait Az
power IN their own hands, aud could deal with tb @
os'In Us they might think fit when it came fairly b
lore Hear iear) If they should serreo ~ IL
ba 1oy you'd give pledge which it mrht
pc extremely difficult to keep; for it could no, b &
cd that there would be great difcuItv in fii; ue-
So',ces question Quoson 1.-THE resolution should
pc agrecd TO- could DO denied that il would ~ .t
that U PtGongng the discussion to such an extent
session W. '..o measure could not be carried that
S'S'iun. ~ is IL not clear that s,tch , co,,r, L. y no