Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1831-04-08
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HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAr- Fen. 4

OF HOuse. Thpr iiflc a. N.
eau oy Tue cerk-"Esnao OF the full CHARGES ON The
civil Inst TO be granted TO his Majesty"
Inc CHA NcELLoR OF the ExcHEorKR then pro
eeoucu 10 auuress the House. The substance of his
observations was, we believe TO the following erec,.
In pursuance OF tho notice which he had given unon
FORMER evening, he now TO lay before the House
e pan whch Ministers had deemed it their duty to
auoP win respect TO the civil list 10 be granted TO hi,
majesty. In forming that plan, his Msiesty's Minis
lers had endeavored to follow up that course which Il
sPpea.ed evident iom former vote OF the House
mat The House wished 10 have followed upon his snh
Jcc- he meant the referring the estimates of the cb,r
es ON the civil list TO the consideration of committee
stars IL did not appear from any thing which took
Pace upon the occasion, TO which he had already alud
GU hat any gentleman wished 10 abrdge either tho
personal comforts OF his Majesty, or TO diminish the
proper u'Shity oil the Crown. The decision u which
VIC rouse came upon that occasion was owing TO ha
iohowlng circumstance Objection was taken tn The
civil list as proposed by the late Government bccous
contained many different points ct expenditure which
were connected either with the proper dignity of the
Crown or with the personal comforts of his hIaiest
anu te' objection received additional strength from the
unM,'hghess oil The Right Hou. Gentleman OBJ osite
10 refer that civil list TO the consideration of conmi,
zee In The proposition which lac should then have the
nonor 10 lay upon the table, he had 10 avoid
pom 'hese objections He had left out of the estimate
all the charges which were not connected ~ ib th.
personal comforts of his Majesty and the pron.r dio
my oil The trown. The Rt Hon. Gentleman opposi1e
heu divided me charges the civil list which he sub
i'eu 10 Parliament, into ten distinct classes He 0he
Chancellor OF the EXchequer) was of opinion that mn
on me principles on which tie Right Hon Gentleman
hau framed his civil list this division was too great and
consequently lnconvenent. His Ohe Chancellor of
The EAchequers proposition was TO divide these chary
es into hive classes. he first class would contain tito
apui. OF inc priyy purse and the allowance granted
~ yer majesty. The second class would contain the
salaries oil The officers OF the household The third
would contain the expenses and disbursements NJ ,s
household The fourth would contain the amount of
the royal charities and bounies; and the fifth wouId
contain the pensions chargeable on the civil lst All
the other charges which were contained in the civil
Ist, as prepared by the Right Hon. Gentleman oppo
n he hAnn aIIg 81
10 be foreign from il, and he should tberenre rrr,os
that In future they should be placed under the control
OF Parliament QHear) II appeared TO him desirable
that ls Majesty, III all that regarded his personaI
penditure, should be rendered Independents ot Tho -;
sion OF either that or OF the other House of Parliament
L! appeared TO him that hi, Majesty should not be La
bic TO have inquiries ade into his expenditure which
TO any one would be great hardship and which TO an
individual in his Majestys exalted rank must be pro
ducuve oil interminable annoyance (EearO with re-
& neil 10 ie nr'' class containing the privy purse
only TO iniorm the House that did not intend 10 nro
pose any alteration in the plan proposed for by The
Right Honorable Gentleman opposite IL woulJ rc
main at GIl0OOO 100000 OF il being reserv.d 49,,
the Prlvy purse, and $4,000 for the allowance ~ ber
Majesty the Queen. With regard to the second class
winch contained HE salaries OF the different officers nj
the household, he would merely remind tho H.
that the Right Hon Gentleman opposite had nronosed
to devote to it El4O,5I6. He Che Chancellor OF the
EXchequer) proposed 10 devote TO il t. $50 3O. so lit
his proposition would be EI0O 600 less than nat Of ,
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. He did not mean Tho
House TO consider that his proposition involved a re-
ducuon TO that amount BY no means He b,I renoy
ed from TINS class The salaries granted 10 the different
officers OF the Board of Works, which he thought ouobt
TO be placed under the control OF Parliament and b
nau Abolished entlreiy the office OF Auditor of the civil
list Till now that office had been sinecurea al its
duties having been performed by the deputv Anli,or
at salary 1--WE think the Noble Lord saih nj fsoo -
year. The House would see, that deducn, M ooo
as the amount OF salaries paid TO the different officers
OF the Board of Works. and 60 400 for the s,I,r,, -
the abolished oce OF Auditor of the civil list the APP
parent be even greater than that which
he had stated; but this was counerbaanced by incud.
ing in this class other articles of expense which had
not heretofore been considered TO belong to H. Tho
third class in the proposition of the Right Hon. Cen
ueman opposite was to include the expenses of the
household TO that class the Right Hon Gentleman
assigned G2lO,5OO He proposed 10 assign to i, fI6I
oOO But on this point there reduction as he
had carried many of the items formerly incIudad md.
this head TO different class. lie would candidIv Con-
ess that when he first looked at this cI,ss nj 1871
ure, he was surprised at finding that whilst all the ar
ucles OF lie had diminished much of late ears in
price, the expense OF maintaining the ROYAL Housc
hold, had considerably increased. On looking more
closely into the matter, he had come this conclusion
that no reduction could be made in this class of en-
Pense without Compelling his M ajesty either TO alter
the style oil his living, TO incur debt He was con
WINGED that the House had wish TO compel his Ma
jesty TO do either (lear hear, hear) The expense
under this head had increased greatly from The IL
cumstance OF there being at present Queen Consort
His Majesty could not live in his present STYLE without
this allowance, though greater economy Than vas
pracsed TO, mery should be observed in his
arrangements. The 4h class, which included the row
al bounties and charities, would remain as before t
%, 200I. lnaihe 9Th Glass; which comprise the nen
si0ns granted on the civil list he had made the
alterations. (Hcar, hear) In the proposition of the
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite the pensions cbar,od
the civil list for England stated TO amount to
7l,20Of on the civil list for Ireland they were stated
10 amount to 5392Oii and the civil list for Scotland
to 81 ,O5OI Now he was ready TO agree with those
who thought that liberal allowance ought TO be made
10 his Majesty TO enable him reward those whom ne
might consider worthy OF reward, assist those whom
lie might hnd in Distress and TO bcstow marks of favor
on those whom he might select the FIT objects of his
royal favor but I59 OOot too much TO be granted
for such Purpose. (Iear, hear) 1t was intended by
the late Governmental reduce the sum granted i'm the
last reign Tor that object IL intended to leave tho
Engsb pension iIst al its present smcuni. ~ OOOl
sud to Ieduc the Irish penson list 40 OC0 and the
Scotch eDsOn iisi to 80 0G0i.-makiDg total Of no.
OOOl Even That sum he cOosde, ed large (fIeatN
The proportion winch he ST. Ould submit 10 Pailsmtni
would be, fr uui ing uto lisi these ihe- distinct
and sep rae pension isis. He could no ADVANTAGE
deilvable IRON keeping hem Isilc; and he should
therefore propose that, for The pension st - hieb
he would have established in future, the House thnld
grant ths cum Of 40 000l. (Gieat eheenngO Tbus
the pension Ii OF the right. hon gentle M an onno
esior Of he Exehequtr') wes only 10 lie Is 600
there would be reduction OF 50 000 On the amount
Of biz class (Htar, hsaf) IL would now ,ytih The
permission OF The House, procetd TO explain Ne mods
IN wLteh he proposed 10 AXE tits reduction IL sp-
ptaftd 10 him, alter mature consideration en- he sub.
jec that there were only three ways doing IT, II
m'ghi be d ne by tot an Jog sny pensions un.
ul hstr amount was reduced by tie ded,h OF iheit
present owners unde, the which he bad 6xed al,
The IN ure msximum Of Tho pension lit Such apto
seeding, however, appeared TO be unfair, to biz
sent Nj jesiy; for IL would, ~ oil human frObabiiiiy