Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1831-06-03

'cnih Of hYes 10 proportion 10 Ia population as cempar-
ed with this country; 50 that IL population were taken
rs the ground for addiog TO the representative OF Ina,
country, ii ought also 10 be mad. the basis of a mors
s9usl exatioo. (Hear, tear) IL was proposed at the
hme OF the union, ny the n, head Of ,he Govern
..-n', 10 reduce The number OF the members OF that
HOUSE, on the srouud hat a great inconve nisuce would
ensre from the influx OF one hundred Irish members
(cesr) Now, sdu i,'iDg the correctness OF Ills obiec.
u'h ne would ssk, wa'is not az odd pSraces Of an evii
~nersa'e hs esu'e,s' would be the c'ss by the pr sen,
bill with 'espset' 10 The Iri.b repeesen,a,ioas He had
no otJscton, he begged II 20 BE- understood. to the p,o-
pie of ireiaud aud Scotland receiving a due shsr. ii re-.
presentation. but he uus, protest against their number
OF teprSseutA'i9es being incr@assd II the expense OF n.
,epfc-' MA lou OF this country. | e'sud might obtain
hrr 1--WE additional members, aud Seo;lsud here, but lei
u not be al The eSpstss Of the people OF Ensl md. whs,
would he the feelings Of The people Of ,hase eoup,ries
IL the bill %P'oPo'ed TO add to he Evglish representa-
ton a''he txren'e o! the representative of LELAND and
Scotland Would they ever hear the end Of the
charges Of %unfairpess snd Injustice and violation Of the
afucies OF union, aud was Eug'snd to be- stripped OF her
Ie"uve snare without remembrance? (Hear.) Were
"ey oind to The nnanirnity with which the repre-
sen'a'ives OF Scotland and Ireland resisted svety pisn.
snsnate where 4, might, which tended TO .quel re The
burdens OF the STATE in all parts OF the Uoiied King
DON! In the divisions on he property tx. on m.
assessed taxes, on the .piti' du les tact, on every
new impOs' wha,ev'r-,he Ifisb and Sc th members
Always voted so rs to throw the weight OF The take. of
their own shoulders on the people of England; aod vet
the Notle Lord comes forward with a p.cro,iiion
which takes ron the Engli.h representation aud adds
10 mat oil Scotland sCd Ireland. (Hear I'D ,b.v
forge, that Ministers were crmpsl,eJ to ,xem,, Sc,;,
land aud ireland rom the operation of the metallic
currency biz, in consequence of the opposition of ia,
members OF those couniries?-that eiekty-,bree out nj
one tundred Irish Membsrs came 10 n ,ssolutio, IN
oppose Ministers altogether il they p r,is,ed in depriy.
ing ireland OF it' smali ncte currency, md tbst thew sue
esedsd In their objsc? (H.ar, hear.0 Look how Tho
ii''h MEMBER contrived o hrow the burt-D II support.
log their own poor Oh this country a. indeed they wculd
every ether burden, If tn, relative superiority of M
representation OF this country vsr. DESTROYED as The bill
in'endsd' CLEAR, hear, hesr) On The other hand, 1T
'herH consider the dana erous influence which the Irisb
representation placed in The hands Of any Minister who
choose to court il al ihe expense OF this c.uo,rv. r.
c9hcih,tng y, they might carry shy MEASURE they
pleased, no matter bow il might sHec, the inter ,,,s Of
inc people OF Englsud, end such e cop.iL.,ion wa,
the boon held out 70 Irel,nd by the present hin.
~ was on THIS ground, therefore, that he proposed ,i,ai
the number OF Eoglish Members should not be reduce.
IRELAND might, IL tn House 90 pie ased, receive Al, in.
crease OF m:mb- re- but lie, them not thor fore di,i,i.b
me number 81 Engli,h Numbers. IL he bill were al, re-
oa' 10 'rap''er the lfanchise of he boroughs in he
seh,duie a to places IL Englaud, he should net ohi.ci
" ~ u u y were retained in IT'S present lo,m, h,
YOU'D on7r II svery opposition la his rover. (Hsar\
The hon. member concluded wish moving az an sm,nd.
msnt" That, it is the opinion of This House tia, The
'olsl number OF knight,, ciizsus, and bnrs,s,esre,nrn
ca Il Parliament for that pari Of The United Kingdom
sailed England aud Wales, ough, no, TO be dimipish
Reform Ball at great Isngih
% 'he "m'ndm'n' bring put by the Speaker,
Nnau'e'lor OF Inc Ex.bequer raid lie could as.
sure the House thdtin rising TO address them he had M
.o'eho'n OF following the hon. gentleman who had
JUST sat down through the very discursive speech with
which he had favored the House. He was oui,e ~
ma. me OBJECT OF he amendment which had been pro
posed, was TO destroy the l-(Cheers)-and consid-
ering that such was the object of il, he need not saw
y"' '"e speech oil me non. gentleman, who had Just sat
down, was irrelevant o the matter immediately before
them. Inc proposition row made was no, merely TIA
the numbers OF the House should be kent as thew were
nu' that the members OF the House should either be
increased or that ireland and Scotland should be de-
prlVed oil a part OF their representatives. The hon. rem
ueinan who had proposed the amendment, had yerv
wrongly anu uuJusuy accused the Government of hsv-
ing made such changes in the bill as rendered The bill
an ehtlreiy new one. W 18th that accusation he would
presently deal; but he must observe at once. that ,he
changes would be extraordinary changes indeed, if
wheh thcy proposed TO decrease the number of the
Rouse, they We're 10 accede 10 a motion for increasing
them. (Hear. hear.) 1t was impossible TO misunder.
stand The nature o. this amendment. IL was the first
OF those series OF motions by " hich il was intended TO
interfere with the progress OF the committee-(Cheers,
and which, II agreed TO, would be fatal 10 the hill
or, at least, so detrimental TO it, as to render il impossi.
bic that II should be proceeded with. Yet the hon
mover oil this amendment had told the House that he
could not believe the Ministers would seriously oppose
his proposition. Now he begged to assure The hon
member mat he never was more serious in his life than
ne was now IN his opposition 10 this amendment
G. Ulcers -They had heard a good deal about the in
justice OF spoi4ting England for the sake of Scotland
aud Ireland; bui the hon. member who had introduced
that topic might as well have talked about the Injustice
OF spoiiaiing Cornwall for the sake of the United KING
dom. (1ear) Next the hon. member had made an
appeal TO the feelings Of the English representatives,
"h' du tO DeISudue tncm That their lnte-
rests, and the interests OF their constituents, would b.
endangered by the proposed arrangements. Bus what
was the TACT: why, the members for Great Britain
would be as D 10 l TO the members for Ireland, and vet
this was the proportion which the Hon. gentleman pre-
tended would endanger Great Britain. tCheers.) They
had all along stated the mode in which they had FRO
ceeded. Finding it desirable 10 disiranchise a certain
number oil the smaller borOughs, the next point thew
had looked TO was to find out-places in which thew
should confer the franchises thus acquired. IL was in
the hrst instance proposed that these franchises should
be given to a certain number of large towns, and bv the
amendments which they intended TO bring forward in
the committee, this number of large towns would be
increased: so that he believed il would he seen that no
place of proper magnitude would require further repre-
sentatoh. With regard TO the proposed additions TO the
representation Of Ireland and Scotland, they had added
representatives. TO fourishing places in both. This was
the principle which had guided them this was the on
ly principle on which they had acted-and thew had
applied 1t in the same way TO both countries. BIT the
hon. member had accused them of having made such
alterations in the bill, that the bill was. i'm fact. an en-
trely new one. This was a strange accusation. when
II was considered that the Hon. gentleman had admit
ted the principle to be the same; and 10 put this forward
as an objection was still more extraordinary when the
honorable gentleman at the same time admitted that
the Dill had been much improved by the chanoes-
(Cheers) Yet in the very same speech, the hon, rem
tleman had told them that very little of the ORIGINAL hill
had remained. Now, he should have thought the ar
rangements, with regard TO the boroughs in schedule A
and schedule b., were amongst the most important
parts OF the bill. (Hear, hesr) Certainly the gentleman
opposite had appeared to think so. OHear.0 And what
alterations had been made in those schedules. Whv
% boroughs out oil the 60 in the frs, and Al out of the
A in the second, still remained in them. Cheers y
NOW lac cOntended, that the alterations which il wac
proposed to make ia the bill were only such a. vvrr.
constantly made 10 measures of importance: the p,insi.
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