Daily Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1828-1831, 1830-01-06


Was u intena1pd to gsxs the Executive this powe.
and I'd cxcIath tho Legislature from docidinr upor
the qualifications Of its own lnssnbsrs. =
Mr. Sumuicrs said that his amendment proposed "a
limit the exercise of thu power by provis;eascf law
-dnd the Legislature would no doubt restrict M on
Grafton To such Cases, as werc PLAINLY vaeancaes "a
every understanding. He did not ihe~cfore think
the amendmcnt obnoxious to the objectioa OF tho
gentleman. -. So lr7s - -
Mr.. Randolph spgg ,sted difficulty which had oc.
Cured TO ''n.- lie supposed case-that the Shcr
III had rtarged two ne nbcrs for particular copntv
--one Of them dics--ond The Executive ssu.s mo ~
writ ut election urlcr which member is elected.
IN, the seat OF the member who died might hay va
righiiniy belonged to ano,her who designed to con
rest TWAS It not seen, that the essenria power of
docuing upon the returns aud qualifications of it's
members was taken from tho Lry Stature and put
fnto o,h,r hlnds' He had thnuylI that the scc,cc
OF politics, lik8 the science oil lite ought TO be go
yernel by probabilities but il appeared Ia him thar
We were reversing tho rule, and guarding against
most improbable possibilities against hierarchy.
and trics and offices from foreign potential -
insieud OF probabilities fut und would occur
Nr; Sn'nn'ers Iryphed To tho objection Of Mr..
MI Scott moved to amend by confining the amend.
ment TO cases Of -vacsnccs accustomed by dear nr
resignation, which was adoptc'--and thus amended,
the resolni ion was agreed tO-nycs 81.
air. Nichilas IN the progress of tho argument
'sked o. there was any owl iOn IN the Constitutions
giving to member of Assembly the right of sion
ingnnd Mr. Summers replied, that rivo such ri,,,t
was one object of the amendment anon. others by
recognizing It's existence
Mt Mercer moved still farther TO amend the 9th
article. by giving To- either House the power nf ind
ing OF the election, returns and Qualifications of n.
own members, To punish its m-rnbcrs for lisor,lcrlv
behaviour, and with the concurrence of two thirds
eNpe member, but not n second time for the snne
offence. 'r". -...s... =
Which was Carried in the Affirmative
Mr. Mercer moved still further to aIn md bv priyi.
,ging members from nrrcs;, except Tor treason nm
forgery fron being questioned ia any other place
Tor any thing said in debate.
Mr.. Leigh said the provision wis UNNECESSARY. he
ing already, the law of the laud, ns part Of the
common law In Tho government of the t. y. the
common INV did not pro vail, and ih.re it was neces-
sary. The amendment was rrictrd
Mr. Mercer moved sti!l fur; hcr to amend bv RI
qniring both Houses to keep u Journal To publish
their proceedings IL secrecy be required bv Tho
PUBLIC interest and that the ayes AMI noes be taken
asthe demand OF onc-t NH o! tn. member, pre- ,cu
-Negativcd. -
The 7,h artcl: having been read. Mr. Merccr
moved TO strike oui the words except money bill
which IN no instance shall be- altered by the Senate
but wholly approved rejected" Ncralived-
Ayes 50.
MIR. Giles moved to amend, by giving the Sepote
concurrent power Of originating in every case hui
money bills.
Dir. p. P. Barbour declared his oppos ION to the
pruciple OF giving the Senate concurrent power of
originating. HIS experience IN another Legislature
had convinced him OF the rxpcdiency. 'phe two
housesof Congress were irequ'nii acting simulta-
neously upon the same subject, which produced
than tor measure los in ono house L, b., irnm.d;.
a'ely originated in tho other. These werc practical
objections As 10 the principle. it appeared 10 him
that lost BY it. all the ADVANTAGE of the Scn,ta
acting as u supervising body.
Mrr Giles sand that his Congressional experience
mad lead him To opposite conclusions those come
10 by the gentlemi from Orange In practice the
rule would accelerate business and shorten The 500
sons OF the Legislature. II did not foow that more
deberation would be used by the Senate he
cause OF ITS not having an originating power
lie agreed whh the gentleman from Charlotte tMr.
handolpb) on tho EVIL of excessive legislation bur
lac did not think he had hat the right cause of
that evil. Tins was from the number of political
scheiners and young lawyers. who desired To- reduce
Their wh'ins into the shape of laws.
Dir. Randolph opposed the amendment, which
lie thought would produce the game between the
two Houses here, which he had certainly seen play.
cd by two other Houses-pass my bill and will pass
yours. The old adage said-and all old adaues were
trme-that the byestander more OF the pame
than tho player. The Senate Us spectators, saw
more.of the game thaB they would do If allowed TO
cut ms and take part in the excitement of orraniza-
ton. ....
The amendment ncuativcd
the 9Th article having been read, Mr.. Campbell
OF Bedford, moved TO amend by striking ont , 3 of
the Senate necessary to convict in cases of i'm
Impeachment, and Inserting D. Negativcd.
Mr.. Nicholas lthe 18th article having been reai)
mogod to amend it i'll the of househOldcrs admit
ted to vote, by requiring that such housckeepcr or
head OF family, shall have been assessed to -.
Mr. Powell said THIS qucstio had already boon
three times decided III the convention and committee
of the whole lie made this remark, to induce his
friend from Richmond Mr.. Nchoas) To reserve his
motion until we got INTO the House, when O final
vote might bel taken by ayes and noes.
Mr.. Nicholas said this with him n vital ques-
ton, and briefly supported his motion to amend II
being a housckoopcr sufficient qualifications
why was he required tn pny part OF the State rcvc-
nuc' And II amy payment oi rivenue was required
should IT not be tn some real substantial amount
The amendment was resatvc1--nycs 80.
- a. t.t.I.
inserting a clause against separate elections. He
thought Representatives ought to account to the
people, and he div not sec bpw this could be done.
at or 10 different places. Mr.. Coatcr rccit,d a
ease which he had Witnessed III confirmation of his
objection to separate ccctiors. Ills friend from An
gusta had once voted to raise the taxes The DEM
ugogucs laid hold oft, aud the Universal opinion was
that lac would be turned ont. lie had an opportuni
~ OF defending himself bcnr" the whole people and
gave The for his vote, that hr Treasury was
insolvcni. lie was IN tho crowd at the time and
heard the voters say it well Tor him he had voted
"a ho he did lie reelected; whereas il there
had been scpar0fc elections. he would have been
turned out. Mpc: winch hYOuUl MI Tho pcnnlc