Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1830-01-14

ard, Hoi'ai lay, Cooke, Roane, Taylor OF c. Morris,
Garnctt. Barbour OF q. Scott Green. Marshall Of +.
Tazewell, Loya Prentis, Grigsby, Branch, Townes,
artin, Peasants Gordon Massie. Bates Ncale Rose
Coaiter, Joynes, Upshur and Perrn-5l.
NOES-Messrs Anderson, Coffinan, Harrison, VIII
hanson, Baldwin, MCoy. Moore Beirns, Smith, Mil.
| Ter, Baxter, Mercer, Fzhugh, Henderson Osborne,
Powell, Grigxs. Mason of F. Nayor, Donaldson Boyd,
aSa S%oon sbsm. aG Ta@pog n OF syn
Summers, See, Morgan, Campbell Of Brooke, Wilson,
Campbell Of Bedford, Clayton, Saunders Cabel, Stuart
Thompson aud Bayly-ii.
| So the amendment Tor an advisory Council TO the
Governor adopted.
| Mr.. MARSHAL moved to amend the 9th article by
striking out The words~. except money bills which in
no instance shall be altered by the Senate but wholly
| approved or rejected.
| Mr.. MARSHALL said he should not have renewed
motion which had been rejected in Committee Of the
Whole if any had then been assigned for the
rejection of it; should he have meddled with the
subject, II the Committee appointed to draft the
sution had had this subject under their
but il not among the amendments agreed to in the
House, and so not referred to that committee. Under
these circumstances, he felt his duty to bring the sub
ject before the Convention. He could conceive
the reason in favour Of this part of the old constitution.
had always appeared to him to have been introduced
into it, from assimilation of the Senate e British
House OF Lords. Nothing was more natural when we
were just leaving Government under which we
had been born and had grown up in high respect ror
all its principles, that such assimilation should have
taken place. But nothing could be dissmilar than
on. Senate, and the House OF Lords which a pa
ramount body, hereditary in its structure, sitting in its
own right and naturally apt to be much under the inu-
ence ofthe Crown. The rule adopted there because IL
might otherwise have been considered difficult and
unpleasant task to resist in the lower House, amend
ment proposed by the upper and supposed to be in con-
formity with the will and wishes of the Crown But
there nothing Of this sort in Virginia. The mem
bers Of the Senate much the representatives Of
the People those Of the House Of Delegates. They
were elected in the manner, by the persons
House.
Here Mr.. Coalter interposed and said that wisdom
} IN w mt hear
The Chair called the House order, and the confu
E'on in some degree subsided]
i Mr. MARSHALL resumed He could essen
tial difference between them. In all respects they
sembled each other. The why the Legislature
was divided into two branches was, that might ex-
srcise supervision over the acts Of the other, and
| amend its acts when necessary. And to this end a
mode of communication established by the const-
tuition by hich of those bodies communicated to the
other, its sentiments respecting the acts Of that othe
body This intended to be the result of having
Houses of Legislature. But this cardinal principle was
violated by this clause, which refused to the Senate
the right of amending money bills sent up from
tho other House. 1t abridgement of the
rights of the Senate. No reason could be given
for IT, The regulation perfectly useless and more
1t productive of positive injury II did not pre-,
vent the amendment Of money bills by the Senate but
forced that body on more crcuitous and time losing
mode Of effecting the object.
Il The Senate rejected Bill, which they wished 10
amend. The other House had Official communica a.
ton from them, of such wish but such private
intelligence they might obtain, they drafted a ne w
Bill This Bill might not embody all the amendme nj.
the Senate wished 10 introduce: then this was reject
ed. and more Bills drafted; and thus, much OF the
public time was wasted-and to what purposel But this
was not ALL The Senate andhe Heuse disagree a,
| to what was meant by Money Bill. He had known
or days to be consumed in a dispute between the
Houses, on that subject The House of Delegates con
tended, that all Bills, containing appropriations of mo.
ney, were money Bills; the Senate denied this, and
considered il an attempt IT usurpation by the otbrr
House, TO bring within that term any bu, Bills simply
for revenus. He had known three four Bills anne nd
ed. and consequently rejected. this ground. until
length the House of Delegates had conformed the Bill
to the form the Senate had first desired The rule
therefore, was found nconvenient in practice b. -iIe.
being wrong In principle II forced the Senate on
clumsy, bunging, time wasting method Of getting at
the object; but did not operate to Prevent the amend
ment, which II forbade.
The question taken on the amendment of Mr.
Marshall, and decided in the affirmative 49,
| So the amendment wss adopted.
Mr.. CAMPBELL OF Brooke. now suggested various
grammatical amendments in the Draft of the Cou,itu
tion-al which were successfully rejected.
Mr.. THOMPSON moved the following amepdment;-
The privilege Of the writ of Habeas Corpus, shall not
be suspended unless ,ohen of rebellion or in
rasion, the public safety may require its SUSPENSION
At the suggestion Of Mr. RANDOLPH, he struck out
the quaiscaion for cases of extreme necessity: and
thus modified, the amendment was agreed to-ayes 81
Mr. GREEN moved the following, to be inserted al
ter the 9Th article -" The whole number of m mbers
to which the State may at any time be entitled, the
House Of Representatives Of the United States shall be
apporoned as nearly as may be amongst the several
counties, cities, boroughs, and towns Of the State
cordng their respective numbers which shall he a..
srmined. by adding to the whole number of free per
son. excluding those bound to service for aterm Of
years, and including Indians not taxed three 6hs Of
all other persons"
Mr.. SUMMERS explained the reason why he should
vote again this amendmenuot that he W as oppos. I'd
to its principle, but he would the rule as to
Members Of Congress, while 1t denied 10 the Free
People of the Commonwealth.
Mr.. WILSON said the resolution went on the az
sumption that the Constitution of the u. s. would al.
ways remain as il was now. But suppose that a con-
sttuonal majority Of the States Of the Union should
unite to change that feature Of the Constitusn ought
not the State Constitution TO conform itself TO such
possibility? Gentlemen not satisfied with bav
ing gotten the Legislature Of Virginia on their side:
but would that rule so long as the Constitution
Of the u. 8. was to last. They seemed much more
anxious about the repres of slaves than of the
free white citizens Of the Comaon wealth Where
was now their dread Of excitement! When the aues
ton related 10 the representation OF white men,
instantly raised but they had all suddenly dis
i appeared.
Mr. RANDOLPH now rose. MFR. PRESIDENT: Il
great Southern and Western slave holding int OF
the United States will abandon this provision for
the representation Of three hs of their slave poou,
ton! Sir-I cannot conceive OF greater moral impos
sibiy.-And IL we-the people OF Southern Virginia
torn and divided she is by factions--marked az
she s b. lines which divide her into two distinct peo
pe-disinct in their feengs-distiuct in possessing
different and sntagon2ing inisress-if we, the people
oil VirgiDiashall ever surrender THE question 10 the
other States Of this U.on-bst Is to Northern and Ess
tern Stass-f IL is possible that we-who con .ttute
the barrier Of the Southern inerest-he outwork and
the buiwsrk Of the great Southern interest-sha,,-
basely was going 10 say, for base il will be-sbslI
bsseiy abandon that provsion-can any man belle Va
that all the Southern States that The C.tot;n..