Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1829-12-22

TITS natural they should be senstveiy alive to all THAT
approach.
But. sir having made this acknowledgment, is Il not
asking much In return, that for the sake OF that we
should surrender to them our birth-rixht That we
should hand over TO them sbsolute dominion over
ourscivesor rather should mot cav submit 10 their ex.
action, Tor as ruch ish required.
Mr.. President TO qaiet this apprehension. we
have offered t. concede n,uch-st least 50 We have
iondy thought. We offer II now, and tear, Tor the
last time, by the amendment in your hands We offer
guarantee ia the Senate by inusng there the isde-
raj numbers. But the popular branch must be pure.
Distsns from eur constituents we cannot 20
how tar they will saoation this concession tor one
am willing 10 assume the responsibility; and il wrong,
to look for my aequitta in that generous confidence on
which the representative principle Is foun led. The
gentleman from Brooke, who offered the anne nt
ssd my colleagues. nay. the entire West will go thus
lar. Bat, Sill speak II not in anger. nor as men
ace,-when say fsrther cannot go-far,her (f think
may speak II for them) they will not CO. Take IL,
then, our ultimatum So far as know the will of
those whom represent, every principle OF obedience
iorblds IL. Though now minority in the govern
mcnt they have become by the foruitiss OF time
and accident. To remain such, by their own act, as
they would do by taking The proposition Of the gentle
man from Aibemarle, without the amendment of the
gentleman from Brooke, would rivet their chains, and
conclude them forever.
As TO what has been said by the gentleman from
Chesterfield, OF communication to him. that many of
the Valley members would unite on the plan of the
gentleman from Albemarle, II his was abandoned, il
must have been founded in misconcepto
U.
The gentleman from Richmond, is not the man to
misrepresen but he may have misappr ehrnded--
Mr. NEALE here again interposed, and said
Mr. President rise to state, that it was to me the
gentleman from Chesterfield alluded, when he said
that member Of this House, had this morning made
communication to him, as to the probable Of the
Western members on the proposition OF the gentleman
from AlbemarIe, (Mr. Gordon) had not intended 10
have noticed the suon, knowing, that in the course
oil the debate the whole matter would be explained by
others; but the gentleman from Frederick. (Mr. Ma
Ias. arasn ~.
TO put this matter upon the ground IL should rest.
Two gentlemen of honorable distinction in this body
as elsewhere, who will, doubt not, at proper time
confirm what am about to state, were conversing with
last evening, the subject of the vote given yes-
terday in favor OF the plan of representation, proposed
by tho gentleman from Abemarle, 50 to I6. They
expressed an opinion in which fully concurred that It
the final opinion of the House, and that the western
plan was irretrievaby lost They expressed great APP
prehension that the scheme of the gentleman from
Chesterfield, Mr. Leigh might be carried by the eastern
gentlemen. They stated that such result would prove
fatal to the last hope OF forming Constitution which
would be accepted by the people Of Virginia. hat they
could not vote for Constitution obnoxious and in-
Gus to the West, and the people of the West would vote
against il to man, and so would many of the East
That If that scheme odious to the West could be
defeated, they had sangune hopes and of opinion
that twenty more of the western members now that
their favorte plan lost would unite with the East
in voting for the plan of the gentleman from Albemare
which, in their opinion, in fact beneficial to
the West than their fayorite plan: That if the
eastern gentlemen would be satisfied with the PROPOSE
ton eli the gentleman from Albemarle Nir Gordon) thew
would advocate il las all their own schemes had fae
and that they thought, that gentlemen from the West
lin which certainly understood that the Valley was
include) would very probably to the number of more
than twenty, unite with them--and if | concurred
might, II Thought proper communicate the my
friends: That their schemes had aed and that Of
the gentleman from Chesterfield, they deemed obnox-
ious and injurious; and they willing to take the
plan voted for presented by the gentleman from AL
bemare being the best which they thought could be
| got.
l, this morning. made the communication to many of
| my political friends, among whom the gentleman
from Chesterfield, TO the effect of which have stated
| and expressing always that believed the plan of the
gent. from Albemare, would be voted for by members
from the West That had great reliance in the opn
ion and discretion of those with whom had conyersed
considered the information which gave important
if we wished to frame popular censtution-ani to my
mind, as good compromise of the question of repre-
sentation, as IL was practicable TO obtain.
was well convinced that the plan of the gentleman
from Chesterfield could go down. and voted against
it, in the hope, that the prediction of the gentleman,
with whom conversed last night might prove correct
to the fate of the scheme of the gentleman rem AL
bemarle. In all this matter, aboured sincerely, TO
put at rest forever, Gf couD this much agitacd and
agitang question OF representation.
MIR. MASON III the gentleman is right in his appre
hension am entirely ignorant TO whom there is auson
certainly not TO me.
have finished, Sir. all that 7 had to saw feel
deeply feel-nterested in the fate of the amendment;
for on il hangs fear, the peacethe peace-f not the
integrity Of Virginia
The question then put on the amendment of Mr..
johnson proposing interval of 20 years between the
assessments OF the lands of the State) & was aopted
MIR. SUMMERS moved to insert the words cat
least before the words "twenty years.: but It was
| lost.
Mr.. SCOTT moved TO amend so as TO give the
Federal number basis ofrepresenation in the low.
er House, and the white basis in the Senate.
Mr.. CAMPBELL of Brooke, moved an adjournment,
but il was lost.
Mr.. DoDDRIDGE demanded the yeas and NAYS ON M r.
SCOTS motion, and they ordered by the House
The question was then taken the amendmen ut al
Mr. Scott 20 reverse the two Houses putting the Fed
era humber in the Lower House land the white BIZ
in the Senate and decided in the Negative by yeas and
navs follows:
AyesMcssts. Barbour ) Jones' Leigh and TAYLOR Of Cb.s
!ehed Giles Brcdnax Domgooe, Alexander Goodo Marshall
Leigh H. Logan vonabis Madi.o" sanad Hoany
Taylor Of Ca Morris Ganst,, Barbour scott, SIacrae
Green Tazewel Loyal rens, Gg.by Branch owsos Bates
MSesMes.rs Tyler Clopon, anderson Coffnan Harrison
Williamson Baldwin Johnson, mccoy, Moore, Beirns SAITH
POWELL Gggs, Mason of F., NayIo Donaldson oyJ PsoSo,o'
George Mafllan, Campbell OF W., Byars CIoyd Cbsomnn
Morgan, Campbell Of Brooke Wilson Campbell Of Red
Saunders, Ca,c Martin, Stuart roasant Gordon Thompson
| So Mr.. Scots amendment was rejected
| The question next REQUIRED on Mr.. Doddridge's A.
menimeht when
Mr.. ScoTT moved to amend il go az 10 give the Sem
ate basis on Federal numbers, and the lower House a
basis on population and taxation combined"
| Mr. DoDDRfDGE asked the yeas and nays which
were ordered and taken accordingly and stood as oJ
| lows "
| AYES-Messrs. Barbour (presdent0 Jones LEIGH
and Taylor Of Chesterfield Giles, Brodnax DromgooIe
Alexander, Goode, Marshall, Tyler, Nicholas NJ son
OF Southampton, Trezvant, Claiborne, Urquhart Ran.
dopb, Leigh Of H.. Logan, Yenable Madison. StanarJ
| Tavln If N