Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1829-11-26

allow thea to lie counseied with liz Stat. in scy /
way, and sou have the dreaded union Of Church and
State NJ once.
Mr.. RANDOLPH then said: e.
To inc this 10 most unlocked for proposition. There
Il not Que single article my political about which
have not greater deposition to doubt than Of the pro-
p'ety OF excluding class Of men. dedicated to the Of
nee OF Religion. from the possession Of political power
Een'.m told u'. that but ior the Insertion OF that
po'i-o IN tho Constitution. he shohb be Tor exclude
Tug them tom the Legislature. Z wo4id much "a. |
'her vot, to strike ont the whole, aud to leave
the Constitution as It now stands, and Tor this plain |
reason l AN, and have been, aud ever .haIi
30. practical man; aud when ! meet with L.u-
slave provisions Of this kind, rather sme the
which dictated them, than applaud caution thew en-.
hio The Constitution just sste without, with
them The Legislature Of Virginia cannot. and il il
coui IL dare not attempt such LEI isiaon 10 forbid
hon IN the body OF this resolution feel myself per-
iectiy SALE mud. SOM where else, provision that
,ha have no ordsrsoi nobility ia this country. Whs
dreams that ever cant Sir, whom the time shall
that the people OF this country ripe for union Of
church state, for orders or nobility either they will
have them In srite Of all the moth saeh parch ne In
70" chve' fearls..iy pronounce thstths admission
Of gentlemen Of the cloth into your Legislative Has 10
tpso Jaeto tho union OF Church aad State. Sir are
there TO Other considerations which weigh with US in
altering! nor, in keeping the Constitution TO- They
are now excluded. Arc there no other ions.
none that every well regulated mind b-los sug to the
clerical professions ought of itssIf to susg-. have
had the pleasure Il was about TO say have had the
acquainted with many Of them: With men OF
the most unaffected piety, Of high a,tsnmeuts aud
great talents; snd who, moreover, clothed
will, that humility which 10 tho Aipha and O.
mega OF the Christian character-yes sir, its al
| Ia all; aud never knew Of them VIII, dared 10
trust himself in such situation. Not one, who, il
sueh an oier had been made him, not Justly have
sail, Lead us not into temptation" Sir, what are
Ss offices OF the eserica body! Do they not mngle
among all cis.se. Of society," and above ALL in TIA. do
me"ic circle! Is not their influence there paramount
'otfat Of all Others! ]. il not their duty to serve
'n'ser whose kingdom 10 Of this wcrd, as we'll to
| reprpve as 20 consolr!
| FCure IN mi, IF,
about to rcprove for his sins, of wealth and inu-
ence. in his county, having, at the tne a desire
himself county Sir, this is exclusion
account of the profession OF any opinions Ii Is an
clsion Of an occupation; of occupation atibc
with the dschsrg Of the duties Of member of either
branch of the Legislature The task oegislaon is at ar
with the duties Of the pastor. The utterly
patibc. Sir, no man busy hmselfn eectonee ny
(and in these times who be elected without i'll
No man miugle i'm le gisaiive cabal, saw no man
can touch that pitch, without being deti,ei. No man
can employ himself, without being di,aualii-d for
those sacred duties which every minister of the Go.pu
takes upon himself and for which he accoup able. moi
10 his constituents at home, but TO the God who mad
him; and who will call him much more reo &C
coun, than that he renders to his pari.hioners.
Sir there IL an ndecency in this thing. We have
heard much about exclusion of the iae.; but there l.
not greater indecency and incompatibiy in woman.
'hrdsog herself into political assembly and all it,
cabas, than in c'ergyman's undertaking the same
thing Ons OF the gre attest masters Of the hum an he
and Of political philosophy too, declares that while tb
French are in their manners more def-rential wo
TEEN Tor woman than any other nation on earth.
Let me illustrate this. The Turk shcu VS. that he va
ms wife, by locking her up is, to he cure, mis-
taken n'ode hut he she~s that he estimates the value
Of the treasure; by putting under lock and kew Tb.
Frenchman permits his wife minele in polite 81 al.
| fairs; and f Madame Roland had sot b..n .na...,
in such affairs Madame Roland would never have a..
cended the scafod. u women will unsex themselves s.
priests-(wha shall sayO will degrade themseive
by mnglng in scenes and in affairs for which their nnc
ton render. them improper and UNFIT they must t,L
The consequences if ladies' will plunge into the affair
OF men, they will oss the Difference they now enjoy
they will be treated roughly,-lika men Just 50 IL Il
win priests They Inse all the difference which be.
long,, and which is pail! to their Office (whe Their the
merritt or no.
Sir. rely upon it, il you permit priests to be mad.
members ot the Legislature they will soon constitute
large portion Of all your lies And II has he en-
ry said that no countries are so ILL., governed those
which were ruled by the connsels OF women, e. cep
such as have been ny Councils oil priest,
The question was now put striking the proviso
and decided in the negative; only twelve members rs
ug In lie support (Mr. MADISON beins oue.)
Mr. BRoDNAx now moved further amendment, "a
DE added at the close Of the resolution, viz:
Nor shall be so construed, to deprive the
ture OF the power OF incorporating by law, the Tf.ees
or Directors Of any Theological Seminary or other Re-
gious Society, or body Of created chztltabie
purposes or the advancement OF piety and learning
as to protect them in the enjoyment Of their PROPERTY
and nmuniiies. in such and under such regua
IONS a, the Legislature may deem expedien, and pro
per. But the Legislature Of thi. State during all IA,
turc time sali possess the power alter remodel O,
entirely repeal such charter. Or act of alton
whenever they shall deem Il expedeht"
Mr. GILES rose in opposition the amendment
which he hoped would not be passed upon without u.
consideration. He then into a series of ohserva
lions on the injurious eect OF the ang power
when the corpora fions Of a civil character and
much More when they Of religious des.
scriPion. lie considered their multiple atom a Sc
rious evil which had already accomplished niue
mischief and which threatened much more--
they were bodies very irresponsible, and wefe gr.
duaily ab.0rbicg to Themselves all TIE powers Of the
Legislature. He dwrIt especially dpon the ipiutiou.
effects OF Banks and he hoped no sanction youId H.,
introduced into the Consii,ution tending TO
the Legislature in granting incorporaons Of any kind
MIR. BRoDNAX spoke in reply. He agreed in the
sentiments expressed by that gentleman, hut
that the amendment he had Offered went to modify & re-
strain not toncrsase the evil The Legislature had no
constitution Al liberty TO incorporate Theological Semin,
RES and once incorporated their charters could not bs
altered or revoked, uniess legally forfeited: But mi,
amendment conferred the legislature power TO alter
or amend their charters at pleasure He spoke of the
degradation Of being obliged TO send young men who
were seeking. and who would get, and ought TO get
clerical education, oar of the State to he educ
Two Theological Sem;na raised by Virpioi. mi.
tai, and supplied with Virginia students. had throuyt
sheer necessity been built and bevoad bf
limits OF the Stae because they could not be ncorpor,
ted within it, He denied that the amendment CAV,
any preference to sect another; and az there
would be ministry in Society, ard that ministry mus,
possess great influence IL better 10 provide the
means OF giving them becoming education3 As TO the
danger OF Church and State, il was chimera. Not
one eleventh. part Of the inhabitants of the United State.
were members OF church Of any dissemination what.
ever; and when rsmembere intohow many yari-
Gus aud incompatible sects this small fraction vas
videa all fears OF any thing IRs religious establish
iHen IN 'hi' country. must he acknowledged to b. v.