Daily Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1828-1831, 1829-12-23

Ny. \. CAMPDkLL then moved the following foSo-
luton;
.Rrsolyel That 10 incur poration Cor any ccc'eSi-
sstcai or religious purpose shall ever DC granted or
have validity in this COMMONWEALTH
Mr. \. CAMrDrLI spoke IN favor Of resolution;
lie thought these corporations i'll other States had
produced something like miniature establishments OF
religion. and had done much evil
Mr. NArLoR thought there was no necessity for
the resolution: lie did not think religion the only
danger had 20 encounter. lie thought i, might be
safely lett to the Legislature
MIR. MARSHALL said the gentleman from Brooke
(Alr was no, more opposed 10 religious privileges
thnn himself He feared the resolution might SO
further than the gentleman int ended. The language
OF the resolution nigh; exclude the rights of protect
ing property necessary for religious worship IL might
deprive hgiouS societies of legal remedies, aud pro-
hibt the Legislature from passing any law wh'c'
might project the properly of any church whatever
state ofthings may arise which may make il neces
sary 10 grant protection TO property, &c.
Mr. NIcHoI As said, although he went consi erab''
way with the gentleman from Brooke he thought Ia,
resolution Went too far. The only way 30 manage
religion 10 c; it alone. Every sect ought To bC
protected IN their places Of religious worship Bu
they ought TO b. prohibited from acquiring property
other than was necessary for the erection Of church
The resolution would prohibit even this exception.
He thought that the experience of the country slow
ed that there was danger OF this power bcng abu
scd BY the Legislature.
NJ BRopNAx moved to amend by. way Of subst
ute the following, to be appended to the ninth rcso
luton:
The Legislature shall have the power Of incorpo
rating by law, the tru -tce, dir cjors Of any Theo
logical Seminary or other religious society, body
OF men united Tor charitable purposes or the advance
of pcty and learning, their property and inmu
mites, in such cases and undor such regulations al
J the Legislature may deem eNpcdicnt and proper
But the Legislature Of this State. during all future
time shall possess the power TO alter remodel, OF
entirely rcpealsuCh charters, net OF incorporation
whenever hey sinai deem It xpeiicn."
| Mr. BRonNAX addressed the Convention in favor o
his amendment. H said he was unable to perceive
any reason and he had heard none why this propo.
ston should not be adopted. Uui his amendment
there could no danger of the churches OF Virginia
acquiring extensive property The Legislature would
have power alter Gb dish all charters granted oI
these purposes
| Mr.. CAMPBELr replied. that il was from a regard
10 the purify or religion that he offered lis rcsnlu
ton True religion needed no protection. Il would
protect itself False religion only required aid
from Government The existing laws were sufficient
To protect houses necessary for religious worship.
He stated a fact, that thing like twenty mil.
lions Of property, were held by religious societies
Now England, which exempt from taxation, and
beyond Legislative control.
MIR. Sr4NARD thought the proposition of Mr.
BroduaN would be supcrtuOus that of Mr.. Campbell
would be supertnuus, or mIschlcvuus. The broad
terms O! that proposition might produce -erous evils
1t would even pevct incorporating library Of reli-
guu5 ECo.;S .. ,2; library belonged to a religious
society. A. that was necessary, vas 10 prohibit
religious establishment. Mr. Stanard moved indie
L :
substitute
Mr.. BaoDNAx said he would not have offered his
PROPOSE ION, had II not been that Mr. Campbell hed
introduced his res lotion. He only wished TO
record nis vote.
On this question, 'he ayes nnl noes we're called
Tor
A,rs-Messrs Jones. B. w. Leigh. S. TAYLOR.
Giles, Dromgoole' Alexander, Marshall, Nicholas,
Anderson. Coflman, Harrison, Baldwin, Johnson
Moore, Beirne, smlth, Miller, Mason, T'rezyant,
Claiborne, -quhart, Randolph. w Leigh Loran.
Nenable p. +. Barbour. S,an4rd. Holiday Mercer.
FItzhpgh, Henderson, Osborne, Powell, Grigps. Ma
SON Mayor Donaldson, George NJ william, +. Camp
bell, Byars, Roane, w. =. Taylor, Morris, Garnet
ClJyd Chapman, Mathews Ogiesby, Duncan Laid
ley, Summers J. :. Barbour, Scott Green Toze-
vel loyal, Prentis, Grigshy. w Campbell. Clay
tor, Saunders B-anch, Townes Cabcll Martin.
Stuart, Peasants, Thompson. Massie, Rose, Bates,
Neale, Coulter, Joynes, Bayly, Permit.
NoEs-Mcs,rs Bro'luax Goode, Tyler Clnpton
williamson, NJ Coy, Baxter, Madison, Cooke Bovd
PendletOn, See, DuddrdgP, Morgan. 4. CanpbeI
Wilson, Macrae, Gor.on Upshur--lo.
Sotae p ,osition and amendment were indefinite.
ly postponed.
The report Of the Executive Committc G was ,hcr
takcnup
Tie amendment Of the COMMITTEE Of the Whole
, to The fr- resolution was then considered
Mr.. MERCER moved o amend, by striking ont the
words "Gcnera Assembly and insert the words ..b,
the qualified voters for the members Of the mos
numerous branch of tie Legislature"
I Mr. STEWART moved TO lay the amendment Of In,
/ Committee and amendment of Mr.. Mercer, on tL,
table. I'LL the question Of the basis Of representation
/ be Sc tied, which was not carried.
I Mr. MEECER called for the ayes and noes md IN,
call was sustained.
AYrs- Messrs. Ciopfon, Anderson, Coninan. liar
rison, williamson Baldwin, VI Coy, Moore Beirne
Smith, Miller, Baxter. Madison, Mercer, Fitzbuoh
henderson, Osborne. Cooke, Powell, Griorz Mason
Naylor Donaldson Boyd, Pcndcton, Georrc. NJ
MILAN, j.. Campbell, Byars, Cloyd, Chapman. AIath
cws, Oglesby, Duncan, laid!oy, Summers, See, bod
bridge, Morgan, a. Campbell, Wilson, Clayfor
Saunders CaDell, Martin, Stuart, G1rdOn,-Th5rnp
son, Biyly, Upshur-5O
. NoE'--Mcssrs. j. =. Barbour, mes B. w Ieipt
). Taylor, Giles BrodnaX Dromgoule Alexander
(iDode, Marshall Tyler, Nichols, Johnson Mason
Trozvort, Ciripornc, Urquhart, Randolph, ~. Lcigl
Logan FcHable, Sanard. lloiladay, Roanc, W. +
Taylor, Morris. Garnet, J. ). Barbour, Scott Ma
crae Green, Tazewcli, Loyal. Prcufls, Grisby. w
Campbell. Branch, Towncs, Peasants, Massie Rose
30 c5. NCal'. COatcr, J0yncs, Perrm--4G.
. SO the amendment of Mr. Mercer Yves carried.
Jno question then REQUIRED upon the amendment
Of OBJ" Committee Of the whole, ~ amended, an,
upon 'hs quest ion the ayes md noes were taken.
At,.l.