Daily Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1828-1831, 1829-11-25


served m Committee of the Whole-and that il fr
shall be the duty of the Clerk hereafter to keep PI
journal of the proceedings of said Committee, and to p
sIch journal, If they can be asccrtained, all OF
the proceedings heretofore had therein. n
The e2nd rule on motion OF Mt WlLsos was then IT
read. a, follows: s.
ANY member on his motion made Cor that purpose, u
on being conded, provided of the men, d
bers present be in favor of the motion. shall have
right to have the ayes and noes taken upon the de-
termination OF any question, provided ne shall give
oil his intention to call the ayes and noes be-
fore the question be put and in such the House
shall divide, be counted on the question, but
the names of the members shall be called over by the
Secretary, and the and noes shall be respective
" entered on the Journal and the question shall be de-
cidcd majority Of votes shall thereupon appear:
Provided. that after the ayes and shall be sepG-
rae.y taken and before they counted, entered
ihc lourn0l the Secretary shall read over the
OF those who voted in the affirmative, and of
those who voted in the negative; and any member
shall have liberty at such reading TO any mis-
take which may have been committed in listing his
name, eth III the affirmative negative
MIR. Tno'tpsoS explained his object. All the inn
portant business will be set cd in the Committee, and
the Convention VIII have ltlc to do but confirm
reject He considered the Commit ee of the Whole
to be merely the Convention sitting another form
Every member, too, comes charged with com
plant the part of his constituents and he should
have opportunity OF informing his constituents by
the ayes and noes OF the course lie had taken This
would be saving OF time, 1t would prevent the
necessity Of a member renewing the attempt in the
Convention. The Federal Convention acted on this
plan, and the course, in substance was followed
by the New-York Convention. He hoped that part
OF the House which look for reaction in some parts
ofthe State will not object.
Mr.. LEfGH said if there any body of law which
has received more of the sanctions of wisdom than
others, 1t was the Parliamentary laws. Here is
proposition the effect of which obvate the most
valuable of the rules, which constitutes the essential
difference between Committee of the Whole and the
Huus There is an essential difference between the !
Committee of the Whole and the House which is dis
tnct aud valuable. The Federal Convention voted nv
States. and therefore it became necessary to coll the
States. In New-Nork IN 1920 this rule was adopted, /
md there such bidding auction for popular
ity as had never before been known and the ayes and
noes were taken 20 record the bids. He imputed no
such intention here, our bids would be as well /
known without the YES and noes as with them.
Mr.. THoNPsoN in reply said there had been few .
Conventions, although many delIberatve bodies III
the history Of the world consequently the examples
were few and we had those OF two Conventions in
our favor. As 10 the Federal CoRvention, the dis
tncon seemed 10 have no force, the States which
voted could have been as Well known without the
ayes and with them. We are crowded so 1
much by visitors, that have been once compelled u
cali the ayes and and may be in the same
situation again. As TO what said abou; bids as o
the gentleman had dscaimed any reference him. "
he had nothing say. The proceedings of the New i
York Convention did honor to that body. e
Mr.. SrANAaD said it would have been the best o
course for tn Convention 20 abrogae the Commit n
tee of the Whole altogether, the resolution f sue
cessiul, would abrogate 1t in part. The best plan Il
would be to proceed entirely in Convention. The C
gentleman had thought proper TO proceed on the u
ground of precedent. He supposed the precedenis c
would Justify the proposition to which he aludes.- V
That gentleman seldom fails to investigate, ard get ii
accurate information when it will suit his purpose a
Had he examined here he would have found thai we Il
have had 20 or 30 Conventions in this country. The V
last Convention in Philadelphia was in IT9l and q
such an idea did not them, nor to the Con-
venon which formed this Constitution the Con-
vention of Massachusetts, of the new States
Mr.. GORDON asked for the ayes and noes on this
proposition. IL
The question then taken by eyes and noes
when the resolution rejected.
AYEs.-Messrs. Goode, Anderson, Cofinan, VII
hanson NJ Coy, Moore, Beirne, Smith, Baxter, Mer-
Ger, Henderson, Cooke, Ope. Naylor, Donaldson
Chapman, Mathews, Oglesby, Duncan, Laidley Sum
rners, See, Doddridge, Morgan. A. Campbell, VIII |
son, Clayton, Saunders, Cabell, Martin, Gordon,
Thompson, Joynes.-39.
NoEs.-Mcssrs. Jones, Leigh S. TAYLOR Broad
max, Dromgooe, Alexander, Marshall, Tyler Nicho- |
las, Copton, Harrison, Baldwin, johnson, Miller
Mason Ttezvant, Claiborne, Urqulart, Randolph, |
w. Leigh, Logan, Venable, Madison, p. P. Barbour |
Stanard, Holiday, Monroe, Powell Griggs, Pendle- |
ton, Roane, w. p. Taylor Morriss, Garnett, ]. s. |
Barbour Scott, Macrea, Green, Tazewell, II. b. !
Grlgsby, Loyal, Townes, Peasants. Massie, Rose, !
Talliaferro, Bates, Nealc, Bayy, Perrin Upshur
81.
The House then resolved itself into Committee Of
the Whole, Mr.. POWELL in the Chair.
The question being on the Sd Resolution Of the |
Legislative Committee,
Mr LEicH moved to amend the resolution by stri-
king out The whole after the word that" and insert
ing the following
''Eye-y male citizen oftho Commonwealth resi-
dent therein (other than free negroes and muattoes
aged 81 years and upwards qualified TO exercise the
right Of suffrage by the existing Constitution and
laws
Andeyery such citizen being possessed, or whose
tenant for years, at Will suIerance is poss-
essed, of land ofthe assessed value of dollars
and having estate Of freehold thcrein-
And every such Citizen being possessed ms a fen
ant in common, joint tenant or coparlner Of an
interest in share Of and and having an estate Of
freehold therein, such interest share being of
the value Of dollars
And every such citizen. being entitled 10 n rever.
sion or vested remainder IN fec, expectant or anv
estate for life, lives, land Of the assesged value Of
dollars Il
And every such citizen, being possessed Of lease
hold estate in land, claiming under lease, rcnewa-
bic at the option oftbe lessee absolutely or upon pv.
Of fine, performance Of other condition. tie
yearly value Of such land being dollars
Each md nucru amch CiLzan Nm lnaa hs lllLn .hau |