Lynchburg Virginian. [volume] (Lynchburg [Va.]) 1829-185?, 1829-12-03

rs he proposed 10 I'LL the blank, lie though
that such a result would be effected. though he
did not profess TO have great conf lence in his
own Judgment. He did not approve of the pro-
posi- ION OF the gentleman from Fauquier (Mr.
Scoti) MIR. Z. declared h,mself 10 favor of
giving the Senate only n peio upon the bills OF
The other House. BY giving the power Of or.
ginating bills TO tina, branch. IL would multiply
the business of the Senate aud cause US many
bills TO be introduced into the Senate as IN the
lower House.
Mr.. Dodi,idge moved a substitute in lieu of
Mr.. Pleasanls'-so MS 10 base epresentaiio ION in
the Senate ON population aud taxation combin-
ed, ms follows
After " resolved that strike out 10 The end OF
the amendment. aud insert " ON the whole
number Of free While persons. ineluding those
bound 10 service Ior Il telm OF years, aud TAXA.
ton combined"
Mr.. Iasewsp asked il the proposed substitute
was in order.
The Char then stated the ques'ion-and de.
cldCd that the motion was IN order.
Mr., johnson declared that of the two propO-
sltlons nov submitted between The compound
basis aud the federal basis. he preferred the
federal ~basis-lhough there was some unpopn-
iarlty attached TO the name Of the federal H,sis,
vet he preferred IL because il WAS simple, vel
understood, and not depenGiug upon tue dlscre-
ton oil tue Legislature, 10 change as they please
whereas the other was liable 10 tho CONTRARY
OH eciions,
Mr. Dodirige declared his strong %predilec.
ton ior the mixed basis, in place ol The federal
hasis-He stated, that the number IF slave
was increasing with rapidlty in the East, " hich
would, in the course Of time, operate asa,nstthe
WeSt--Whereas, II Il rest upon taxation, It
mig hi he expected that as our country settles
and improves, II would become hereafter more
equal between them-So, that II either OF these
bases be adopted, with the view Of producing
the happy effect of Cancellation among mem
bers, he wouli prefer the mixed bass Oh The
other branch OF the resolution, he VAS opposed
20 the enlargement of the Senate, on account
Of the economy of expenses, and the selection
Of the most able and stald men, who would do
something more than dot the IS and cross the
is, as has been said by some gentlemen. He
saiA that the Senate has bcen an efficient check
hitherto upon needless and hasty legislation
and he contended, that as the deliberations Of .
small body can be more wise, more stable and
more c~ircumspeet, than IN a large hohy, a small
body would have more strength IN II, and would
command more OF his conhdence-And was II
not disappointing the expectations OF The peo'
pie, that the expenses If the Legislature were
TO be reduced, by counterpoIslns The Reduction
of expense in the House oil Delegates, by thus
enlarging the Senate
Mr. Leigh did not rise TO compare the Two
propositions logefher-bplh OF Them being III
teriy abhorrcui tn all hs ideas Of justice. lie
could not forbear, however, 10 commfnt upon
the rea,atk OF the gentleman from Btooke (Mr
DoddfIdge,) that mo great increase oil saves
was 10 be eI pected in the Western county
And yet did not that same gentleman hold out
the other day The idea that slaves might be ex'
pec,rd 20 multiply IN that, country, IN conse'
quence OF he causes that he then pointed out !
MIR. Doddridge eAplained-iie did Sa,
the other day. that tn fir nutnoer was lNely To
Increase on the Western waters, and therefore
gentlemen need not entertain those dangers
which they expressed from the adoption OF the
basis founded on the white populaiion--Bni.
he commended in reis lion 10 this subject, thai
the taxation would increase faster than the
slaves.
Mr. Leigh denied that the gentleman bad ez.
planned away the inconsistency which he had
expressed. He enforced this proposition n,
great length. He said that we had been told
by the gentleman from Brooke, that the market
Of New Orleans for slaves would be glntied-
and hat the territory of OHIO had been closed
to them, in order 10 reconcile the people oil
the East to transferring The power over them
! to the West-and now he holds a different Ian.
euage. But while he said this. il was 10 him
perfectly indifferent whether The arsenic was
to be wrapped up in a preserved cherry,
or a preserved strawberry. lie would look on.
" 10 the House of Delegates. lie asked gen
llcmen, who had declared il 10 be ariaiocraiI-
cal, the other day, to found representation on
property that il was epubiican, against
the natural rights Of man, and utterly aristo
cratical TO point out TO him how they Can
now reconcile it to their aristocrHtical AID an
ti-republican IDEAS to base representation Oh
I,rnnarfv- - Thu q ie IN sav thew think NJ neI-
frctly arisiocralical 10 give representation TO
the House Of Delegates-bnt NOT TO give IT 10
the Senate. He contended that the mixed ba-
sis in the Senate is utterly yalueleSs-and he
would attempt to show it unless superseded b,
another gentleman.
MIR. Dodiridge said, il he were compelled to
! choose between two evils, between two pills,
for instance, surely he might be permitted 10
choose the pill he pleases. lie thought both
bases in the Senate were odious and improper
but as he believed that one of them would be
imposed by The majority of the House, he ielt
himself at liberty 10 choose between 'hem'
MIR. Mercer enforced the argument oil Mr.
Doddridge.
The question was put on Mr.. Doddridge's a
northumberland lost ayes "a, noes so.
(Messs. Madison, Monroe, and Marshall in
the negaliye.)
Mr.. Scot then proposed a substitute to the
amendment of MIR. Peasants. His plan was,
10 base the Senate on taxation exclusively, to
enlarge their number 10 80, and give a CON
current vote of appointment 10 the Senate.
Mr.. S. declined repeating The argument on this
subject. His resolution " as as follows
Resired, That III the apportionment OF repre-,
s%entstion in the Senate, regard shall be had
10 taxation exclusively, that the Senate shall
consist OF thirty. six members, and shall have
the same Legislative powers in all respects as
the House OF Delegates, and all appointments
r. ierred by the Constitution to both branches
Of the Legislature. shall be made by a concur
rent vote OF both Houses.
The question was taken on Mr.. SCOTS a.
mendment and lost-aves 80, noes 54.-(Mes-
srs. Madison and Marshall voted for h-Mr
Monroe against it,