Lynchburg Virginian. [volume] (Lynchburg [Va.]) 1829-185?, 1829-12-03

ezra poee, and moi by buliot.u
or b. moved ,he following ms n subsiifnte
: hesofred. That II ought 10 be provided in the
consultation, that IN all elections In this State,
10 any Office OF place Of trust, honor or profit,
win Tue exception oil The appointment of their
osn o"'efts' inc votes should DO gwen openly
OF rtcG roee, aud not by ballot.
On The Suggestion OF a friend. Mr.. II. then
SAID that he would ask lenye. with the "a,
sent OF the Commute 10 Withdraw the Green
lion, ###H
Mr. Cidytor fully agreed in the prop,ie,, of
observing the rifa roee vote, but he " ,shsl 10
KNOW why the exception OF the appointment OF
the ministerial officers ofihs House should be
Withdrawn. lio thought such officers had bet.
Ter be appointed in another way.
Mr., Brfdaar argued ~sIraogly for the eipa
rore vote ~ nl cases as calculated 10 in.
crease the Independence of The meunbers of The
Legislature, aud ,oavo'd that ~dcplteiiy aud by.
poefisy which Turk in the bailot hoa.
Mr. Clayton thought tins object was too
small 10 be provided tor in this uny-and thu,
I migh' by safely iuft % the discretion oil The
Leg Stature.
nv. johnson spoke against he modification
H. said The great advantage of The viva voce
election was 10 prevent intrigue and corfnp
''on whieh, he considered, was not TO be ~.
Feei'd, and not necessary TO preyent, in The
elsehoh oil tho ministerial oiioefs II the
iinuso. lilo was perfectly willing 10 Icrve this
matter TO the disers,on Of the legislature.
MI Randolph cuntcnded that u was only \
taf'lhmeniaf, courtesy for any gentleman to b,
permitted 10 modify his bsn fpspi niion. Hrrs
lafgtd iion the importance al reflections IN n DE-
lucrative body liz referred 10 the election II
me speaker ot the House OF Burgrsscs. IA the
session oil 10 aud lS(O-an election scarcely
inferior fnsunx IA, ia, 4 G.a..-, III, -.
bile session, when the distinguished gentleman.
pow nj the bead OF The Orange Delegation. and
ifom years. aud weight Of character, NJ the
hrhd of ihis Convruiion, deiiv cred hat memo.
'able report, which put u curb IN the mouth,
aud n hook IN the nose OF tina, memorable
Leviaihan which some gentlemen have been
so nIions since TO remove.
Nr. Clayton Ordained all intention Of Offer.
ing any rudeness ~ indigniiy 10 the gentleman
from Dipwiddie ON the contrary. 1.-THE course
he bad originally chosen, WIS thu very ono
pointed out by the gentleman from Charlotte.
(Mr. Randolph.) He did not rise to prolong
The debate, bat only to vindieale his own con.
duet.
The Char said, he had NOT unde rs,ood tho
gentleman from Charlotte Ms having any per-
sonal allusioD IN his remarks.
Mr.. X disclainrd il entirely.
80 "N''tsbh 'hIh'ihti fifnktlf hH sufEnHtng
to1cf,se no courtesy 20 the gentleman, but n,
having uudcrstood this Ms The mnue of trying
the question, whether the clause should emain
or ho stricken out.
The question was then taken on permitting
Nj. b. To modify his resolution, ami carried,
ayes 80.
Mr.. Cioyior then moved 10 introduce the
words, w " with the exception Of tho mp.
%poihipehi OF their own otlicers'--anl the
question was taken, aud lost Ayes ~, nocs
46. [Mess,s. Madison, Monroe, aud Mar.
shall IN The affirmative
Tho question Was ,ben taken on The amend
mon'o f Mr. BrodDax, and carried without b
division.
Tie Chair thon read tho neIt t9th) resolu.
ton oithe Legislative Committee, viz
" Rcs0iped, hat no man shall be compelled
to frequent OF support any religious worship,
place or ministry whatsoever nor shall he
enforced, restrained, molrsicd or bUItbened 10
body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on
account Of his religions opinions, or belief but
that all mn shall be free 10 profess, aud by ar.
gument 10 maintain their opinions in matters
Of relig ION, and that the same shall IN no wise,
diminish, change, Or affect their civil capnci-
ties.
That the Legislature shall have ~ power
10 prescribe any religious test whatever, nor
10 establish by Law, my subordinaiion Or pre-.
terence between d fferent secis or denomina.
tons, nor confer any peculiar privileges or nd.
santhges on any one segl or denomination o.
yer others, nor pass any law, requiring or an.
thorizlng any religious society, or the people
vi hny district within this Commonwealth, 10
levy on themselves or others, any tar for The
cree ion or repa,r ofany house for public wor
Shipper the support Of any church OF ministry,
but thar II bp LEFT free Ia aypTy pefann IA soIac,
whom he pleases as his religious instructor.
and to make for his support. such private con
'}act AS he pleases provided, however that the
foregoing clauses shall not Ice so construed, ns
10 perm, any minister Of The gospel, or priest
Of any denomination, 10 be eligible 10 either
House OF the General Assembly"
Mr.. Brodnar observed that this re solulion
was taken from The Act for establishing Keligi-
Gus Freedom.
Mr.. Cooke moved to Str Ike out the Proviso.
MIR, Doddridge supported the moiion-Ho
thought that II was violation of the yery
principle on which the resolution is foundcd-
that it infringed the rights Of religious iolera.
ton.
Mr.. Brodnar justified this resolution. Ia
some Of tho Constitutions Of the other States
the prov SION WAS carried much farther. Ia
tue Constitution OF New York, il goes 80 far as
10 forbid any minister OF The gospel from hold.
ing any civil Office. He contendeI also. that
HE habits Of ministers were so different from
those Of politicians, that they ought not 10 par.
ticipate 10 legislation. lie also pointed out the
effect OF Introducing ministers into The Ieeis.
lalure-tbe interest they might be supposed l.,
have in certain measures, and the prejudices
they might enlist in their own church.
Mr.. D0ddridge repliedto some OF the remarks
Of MIR. Notwithstanding u distinction between
permitting the people, il they pleased 10 elect
ministers, and the people not voting for them
al the polls-in which last, he would pro.
badly agree with the gentleman from Dinwid.
die.
Mr.. Cooke supported his motion. which he
said he had disspproved of IN the Com ni,iee
He did not see why such a feature OF in,oler
anc' should be preserved-and why SO pure a
body oi men should be disfranchised