Daily Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1828-1831, 1829-12-09


r3F and he arrived al the conclusion before.
Mr. NJ then repeated the statistical statement which
ms already been published anil concluded by sias-
inS that nothing was cliimed but defensive guard
!of The property, which the gentleman from . ange
sald would be secured by adopting the federal mum
bcs tpr the Senate, and the free oie population ba
SIS Tor the House OF Delegates
MIR. BALDWIN said he wished to state tho motives
! o. his conddct in the vo,e~tlp gong 10 gve on
the present question He we compelled 70 maize
some sacrifice Of his feelings Inconsistency on the a.
tar OF his country. IL prOcSSed he greatest alta ch
inent 10 the existing Constitution, under which, we
mao oil happily lived, but thn people bad called
NohvGhtion h1 would not cling 10 the present sys
TEN "i,h blind revarence-he would not treat all
the improvements which were surre~ted. A. the pro
dlcinns Of mad entusasisor of reckless rcf riaers
ne would IN reference 20 the iinputa ion of vision
oPpiy tn charget to those who made it, and would
AK any genilenl the present foundation of our
government correct one He referred them
| to the state of presentation, to shew It's inc
qhu'y anc sHid LAT the people whom he
PIesGitet, con ended io represent alton being based
On The white population exclusively in beth Houses.
lac opposite party did 4 demand federal numbers,
ds 'e basis ~ rcprcsea a iou until they rcce, "a
accession of str"ngth--federal numbers were MT
thought of, and be would appeal 70 gentlemen whe
ther we could not at first have carried the question
Gcc rdin 10 the views OF the gen leen thens Ives
AID not a. they desire i.
Mr. RANDOLPH said ncy, r-neyo-
SIr g. snid tie mprtatoH Of not actinr il con-
r'aoTy manner, ought not to be thrown out against
us WI VIC were Wiling 10 cOncede suffcicn seen
~ "a ne Senate. That security in the Senate was
QUO 10 the people otthe West, not because il con
erred power Oh their Eastern re- Lren bu, because
these hardy 70 mon believed that by i thev dorra-
Gad themselves IN -" rsma'ion of the people of the
United ) cs. and we're made servants at the com
maud OF their masters He profelsed himself wilno
10 COMPROMISE although he was a. first reDurnant 10
t--and he was disposed TO give the people of the
i;aS' what lie regarded sufficient security. by
dioWIn9 them Tie power IN the Senate. and NJ the
same time, to give the Western people the control IN
the III use Of Delegates. Tie state OF parties il Ills
COMMITTEE should have its weight III injuc!ng as te
settle THIS dangerous controversy which influences
us Il, the cvIiS Iteration OF all other questions Ar.
/ we 10 go away from this without doinG any thinr3
SHci course would produce great mischief and
would plant feelings Il animoei,y in the breasts OF
| Tho people.
We told by both sides Tia. there S re,t dancer
oil separation of the Statewe hear this declaration
made ny Eastern members-mOst gently insinuated
Wf"P' UP ii rhetorical language. and sometimes a
one gentleman had said, sin the plJin old English
Lac same declarations proceeded also from the other
y; tie stc ed ms opinion that no such event
would eyer oScur bnt he said, il this Constitution a.
60" prop SGD, was forced upon the people The would
speHk Tor his own constituents only,) although they
Would not rebel. resist, vet tcy would carry their
oSition to It TO the greatest extent they Div
could consistent with due observance ~, Il 20 ,,,
of the land He denied tho assertion thu. rho er;-,,
OF Cancellation, proceeded only from the adverse
party; ana that the federal number was the midd,
ground This could not be said when the penflemeI
on hr olpose dd not propose such basis till they
had acquired additional strength, but only the COM
pound basis OF population and property He said
that the consequence of basnq the Senate md tho
House OF Delegates would b. ccust ant ,yarf-e ha
tween the two bodies He differed in opinion with
those VINO SAID that property mud power were t-son
ana mat PLUMBERS rer 7red property Insecure
As 20 the plan Of security proposed. We az told hat
! II property were represented N the Senate aloro
tnst no1y would become odinus to the peorle, and
tha mo cry OF arstocracy would be raised against Il
Would MT he effect be the same whether nro,ertr
Is represented in one or in both Ffouses,-and let 49,
principle he refused, the same crv of aristocrocy
would be raised. Another consideration was nrosor
eu 10 vs. ny me opposite party were told that the
Pr'Judiccs OF toe people ought to be consulted as
wen "a thor interests. The nn'lenan from Cbes
terhcld VIII agree with him that We ought also 70
consult talr pride for without nothing was est
mablc. l would II God, said Mr. g. That IN, ths
cXarion of my feeble talents 7 could convoy ~ 81;
committee, correct idea of the opinions ~ Tho
western people OH the subject, and / am sure tln
committee would examine this with more calmncss
and attention. He believed the principle Of the fed
cTai number would infiict on the western nconIe
d'gradation--a wound Of pride that could not be-
easily healed. Mr. d. then remarked, in a very fccl.
ing manner, on the consequences to Virginia if
separation OF the State should take place-he depre
Gated such an event to State so long the pride
tho strength and glory Of this confederacy
Ma Lieu said If The gentleman who Just sat
down was as fcsirous fprcvcnting excitement A. Le
expressed himsefto be, Il would have been well for
nun TO have brought his reason TO bear on the q es
ton before Us But as he was pleased to pass va
rious criticisms the debate which has taken ,Ioco
and TO express his disapprobation ofsome of tho
timcnts which have been uttered he shoud bave
taken some pains before he undertook that Office 10
hnow something OF the subject Of commentary. He
mlstook very much ~ he thought that the nembers
who have acted with me, werc ready 20 receive and
tolerate the idea Of basing representation in tho low
or House on hunters alone.
Mr. Baldwin sa,d he merely cxprrssod II "a m
opinion. "
Mr.. Lriou said hat he had maintained that such
a compromise "as wholly and absolutely f4lacious
inc gent"m2n had adver ed to the irritating Ian
guag' which had boon used There was some with
out doubt and II he had used any il was not done
intcnially, but produced by the warmth of the dc.
bate The gentleman should have iudg,d rather
IN mercy than IN justice for he was the first inl
vidual on this floor who told that the proposition
OF mixed basis was sheer arstoCrocy; Inc m;scok he
was the FIRST, but one Who used that expression ana
It has been since repeated, ard VIC have had war OF
Cpthctg
The two gentlemen from Augusta have adyerted
10 the feelings Of the people Of the west. lie would
ASK with what colour they ask Us TO respect tho
west IA order to pacfy them, when they gave no.