Virginia advocate. [volume] (Charlottesville, Va.) 1827-1860, 1829-11-27

Jected TO the proposition.
Mr. Johnson stated, that although il
! might seem uncOurtenus 10 deny the mov-
ertn Withdraw his own amendment.
yet he found occasion i'm the circumstan-
ces ofthe case to object to the con,empla-
ted change. He remarked, that after
having been engaged one hule week in
discussing the original simbic proposition,
IN relation to- the House Of delegates, he
thought i, improper TO introduce a new
aud more complicated proposition. He
thought the leave, therefore, ough, not to
be granted.
Mr.. p. z. Barbour thought that If the
Committee would consider this question,
they would not find any difficulty in con-
sentlng to the withdrawal. lie assigned
his reasons for this opinion
MIR. Mercer replied, ASSUMING new rea i.
sons against the withdrawal-hc said the
House would be compelled to vote Tor one
proposition, when they had been engaged
IN debating on another.
The Chair stated that it was in the
power OF any one who objected to the de-
cision OF tn" Chair, 10 appeal to the House
Alter some other remarks from the Chair,
aud MIR. Mercer Mr.. Green stated tha,
he was perfectly willing to rccede from his
proposition.
A!ser some remarks from Mr.. Leigh,
MIR Doddridgc rose TO enquire whether he
understood the Chair to say that the orr
ginal amendment was still open to debate,
1t the amendment to the amendment was
entertained. The Chair asserting to such
course, MIR. ID. said he would ask leave
to appeal to the Committee
Some conversation took place between
hiessrs. p. p. Barbour and Johnson
alter which, MIR. Doddridge withdrew his
appeal to the House--ant the question
REQUIRED as il presented itseIfon Saturday.
MIR. John s. Barbour rose then, TO adj
dress the Committee. lie considered
that it was the Limitation Of power, which
forms the best protection to the people,
"A constitution ought not only to secure
the fidelity Of the agent to his constituents.
but one part Of the community against an
other when they have different Interests.
why are the restrictions OF Constitutions
| invented because we cannot trus, each
other-we have not agents in the shape OF
men to govern us. How is it in the Gen
cral Government ? Why tins contest
about the Tariff Law s-but because there
is coDtrarieiy Of interests between the
North and the Southern sections of the
United States. He must provide verv
badly a constitution, who did not erect a
barrier against the oppression of one inter
est by another, but in them no opposition of
interest between the Eastern and Western
portions of Virginia In 1923, did not
the gentleman from Brooke wish to re-
gulate the Congressional Election by the
white population alone With knowI-
edge OF this fact, he was not prepared to
transfer this power to the West-Mr. b.
also referred to another subject, to show
tie diversity Of interests between these
sections. During the last war, when the
Capitol Of the United States was in ashes
when perfect uninimity Of sentiment
prevailed in the Legislature of Virginia a.
galnst the insulting demands oil Great
Britain at Ghent- what course did the
Western members take on the Bill! to
IaIsc a military corps in Virginia? Did
not great diversity Of interests manifest
Itself at that time And it yon leave ex-
posed the great property interest of this
Commonwealth, how do you stand ? If
the East asks fnr this protection, how will
you obtain it? BY paper guarantees,
which you may strike out tomorrow p
Or, do you not place in the hands Of the
interpreting department an absolute con-
trout over this guarantee? Gentlemen
talk OF guarantees OF integrity and honor
but Tor his own part, he would not take
any guarantee which is not founded on
interest Mr.. B. asked, why is it that
even numbers are considered as the rule
OF power, because numbers are the best
evdence Of the ability of individuals to
contribute to the support of government
The gentleman from Brooke had said, in.
deed, that taxation and representation are
not correlalives. But on what principle
was the petition Of Right and the other
great papers Of England founded, if not on
the principle : What brought the head Of
its monarch to tie block ? II was be-
cause he wished to put aside then repre-
seniatlyes Of the people Of England, to
usurp the privilege Of taxing them, and
to assume the power over the purse Of the
people. 1t was this principle, the asser-
ton oil which gave immorol honor to
Hampden and to sydney, and had inspir-
ed the patriots Of that country with the
love Of liberty.
Mr. b. said he had referred to the de-
bates m the Conventions of Massachusetts
and New-York, and he had found their
abiest debaters declaring in favor Of the
principle that representation and taxation
ought to go ,ogother-An1 yet we arc
now to be told, that we aIe to sacrifice |
these principles to some visionary maxims
OF Rouss can and Locke. But, did not
Locke depart from lis own abslrae; msx.