Constitutional Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1824-1832, 1829-04-24
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MIR. BROUGHAM'S SPEECH,

into the details of the measure proposed in His Ma
lestys speech, had followed course perfectly irreg
uar 1t was not the practice of the house to call
pom His Maestys Ministers enter into details Of
measures when the speech from the throne recon-
mended to Parliament to take certain matters into
its considerations was matter ofcoursc that His
Majesty should avoid entering into details in his
speech, because he would most naturally avoid die
9te to the wisdom of the legislature and therefore he
tNlr. Brougham,) for one, was perfectly satisfied
rvith the general description given of the measure
proposed, by which he understood that it inten-
dtd that there should be arrangement of the Cath
Ollie claims npon solid and permanent footng and by
the granting in nggardly measure, parcel ofcon-
cEssons this session, that new demands, re-
quests if that were the proper expression, might be
made in another session. He hoped that what should
he found cXpedient would at be done, that the
mind of the legislature might be made perfect, after
two deliberations the extent, right and cxpeden-
cy OF making concessions, for the purpose of ternna-
ting, once for all, the differences which exist. and
giving Catholics that which we can afford and with
which they ought to he satisfied. He said, "with
which they ought to be satisfied, for he entirely
Cured with the hon. gentleman who had just sat down,
apd 1t had been his uniform opinion on this subject,
that this measure, great and important, and las he
tIustad would be- infinitely beneficial to all parts of
the empire and to all institutions religious well
as CIVIL would lose more than halft value, if it
the result ofnegocations of compact and not, of
tte liberal wisdom ofthe legislature He considefed
the Catholic question to be substantially carried.
he meant. without going into details, by the Cath
Ole question, above all and before all aud as essen.
tpl and integral nay lie had almost said, the whole
OF that qucstIon-the admissibily of Catholics to
seats in Parliament, and their eligibility such Off
css as Proestants are capable Of holding. with one
or two exceptions, with respect to certain offices,
from which even Catholics must confess themselves
wholly excluded It had been said by honorable
hpron, that the ministers in propounding a measure
q this description, must have changed ali their prn
clpes WITHOUT any change OF circumstance to account
for tire change. If Ipon further consideration of
q4cstidn,if as the result of larger and longer cxpc
rlcpce-n,cn were to change opinions and to become
fhnc i
they had heretofore honestly and conscentiously
Holden, hc (D1r Brougham,) should not in that cuse
bt disp6scd te speak with the slightest disrespcct of
those who came manfully and honestly forward and
avoWed such change in their opinions. He preferred
THOSE who lived to profit by experience over those
whom longer living only makes more pervcrscIy OBJ
sunate laughter ]-year after year reaping the sad
FRUITS OF continued long life, without the important
though melancholy consolation, of setting against in
cfeaslns years increasing wisdom-L Continued laugh
teri
If lie differed from the honorable baronct on this
subject, Ire also differed from the honorable member
for Dortshlre on another, for indeed both the points
lie alluded to agreed in the main. The hon. member
10y porsctshire had asked, "What is the change of
circumstances? How are we in different situation
more than We were years, or indeed "a or IS years
past" He (NIr Brougham) doubt had always
held, and those who acted with him had always held
aud must maintain it now as our decided osinion
that wanted not the result Of more recent expcri-
enee to convince that this measure the eXpedicn-
cy or winch Is undenable, was right, and contend
ed without the benefits of recent experience, stouty
aud deliberately in favour of this great measures as
with the benefit of that experience, we do WHO con
tend. But different men the same subject in
different Lights and he could very we'll imagine, and
irdeed he knew it, both, public and private, from the
conduct Of men in that house and others it. that
those events which had taken place during the last
two or three years, but particularly within the
l1st year anda half, both IN parliament in the Gov
Hfnment, and oht of doors, had materially changed
the elements their calculations on this subject
1t it we're necessary that there should be united
Governnent--lf the most important ofuuestions
which could be committed to the discretion of Minis
tets, it be IF any moment that they should act with
Union and concert, there only one of two alter
natives to chcose-either that the Catholic question
should be made cabinet question, with determine
ton to carry it, that opposition and perpetual rel
sstauce to it should be offered. For he quite agreed
with tho hon. member who last spoke, that it was
quite childish to think to form Government on the |
principle Of not resisting the question forever, but
only tor SIX months, year, or any indefinite period
which meant till circumstances changed. Either the
Government must be united to carry the question or
10 oppose it. and united if at all to resist it perpcu
ally, cardinal point. That is an impossibilty
fbear;J and he addressed hmselft men who had not
changed their opinions at ALL and if there be any gen-
tienan who maintains the same doctrine this sub
Jcct in spite of events and notwithstanding recent
experience after all he has lately seen in that house
and the sister kingdou-if there be any man upon
whom the events of the election In 1895 were lost
II there be any one man upon whom the ocCurren-
ces at and since the Glare election then thrown
away, he Mr. Brougham would ask that man if
any such be present, who still held it to be great
mischief to carry the question and grant concession
70 point out IN that, or In the other house of plriia
mont, the materials of which his cabinet would be
constructed framed the basis of perpetual resis
tarce. There exists such materials.
suppose that the right hon. gentleman MIR PEEL
pad unfortunately for his country continued think
that nUver should these claims be listened to, he
must have formed cabinet by himself, for the pur-
pose Of administering the government of the country
except perhaps With one or two on that bench
(ponting to his own side of the housed and on the
immediately opposite, and one or two persons in
another place, whom he would not more particularly
alude to, the hon. gentleman must have stood alone
With these exceptions, to form cabinet. He would
not say that to compose such cabinet was physi-