Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1829-12-05

are necessary for the accommodate Of the Convention
n conversation ensued between Messrs. Nichcsa.,
Mason, Doddrdge, Goode and ClayGr, which resulted
In laying The report for the present upon the table
Ayes 47Noes "A.
The Convention then went again into Com Of the
Whole, Mr. SrANARD in the ch.ir
MIR. GORDON withdrew his amendment aud the
question then being the let resouon in the scheme
proposed by Mr.. UPsHvR
Mr. GREEN suggested that the que.,ion pending was
not on the adoption of the clause but on motion to
irlke ont the hrst word r"Resolv,d."
The chair reminded Mr.. Green tina, thi. .o' /, ba,
been expressly moved,
MI. JOHNSON. expressing II 10 be nj. wish 10 get
the sense OF the House the rts Of the plan made
conversation in relation 10 the prop,r co,r.e n =.
pursued took place between Messr. Johnson leigh
,,' a'nour' op-hur aud Mercer; which resuited in
word Resolved Tin effect, to e.,roy Mr. UpsHvr',
proposi,on,)
Mr.. JOHNSON rose In support of hi, motion
lie said that he expected the Committee would CON-
s"er he proposition on its mcrs-,ha ,.y would nj.
rect Their attention only to the princife and consider
W oe.a.s ss u inclined TO suit their own inrnations
ne was sorry the propositions from his .iie of the
House had not been net in that temper with which
every attempt at conciliaion oueh, be
that This fault extended in some degree IN both s;Js nj
The House-ite himself ispo.ed IN .;y. .sn.,non
credit tor the utmost sincerity and the best .r t inso
much that, personally, he had difficulty in choo.
ing among The propositions and il made umpire he
tween The parties he should prefer those of Mr. Upsur
or Mr. Leigh (Which he considered sub.antaIIv M.
mr surprising in simplicity and harmony of action
ne was not umpire, nor did those on his side ,yree
WIN MN IN the opinion he had vowed He preferred
greatly the basis Of qualified vo,ers-but In TIA, lie had
been sustained by neither side. He va. nov, left 10
choose not what was most ,pab. TO him, ut what
would unite the greatest number Of the en,bers Of the
Convention. " ~
Such compromise ought TO be sou Oh, as when fixed
upon would unite not bare negative, but large por-
Ton Of the minority also FIc lead on these yound.
10 prefer the proportion Of Mr.. Cooke
re owned The force o the argumsnts addressed to him
q The E.la
u could not be made plain to bi constituents Thy
nau deep-rooted antipa,hy that ground Of app7r
ohheht-and even II IL was prejudice, II wa. entitled
10 respect The compromise Of Mr. Cooke was more
SmPie-hiore easily understood, and wonld he beIi.v
% We more acct p'ab!e to the People The only differ
ehce hetween the plans ef Mr. Cooke and NJ, Uu
'hhr lay IN this that the elements Of
were separately applied 10 ard applied in combi
ned form by the other how ij.en would one no I, con-,
p' omise, and the Other nop...
Inc danger OF taking Federal numbers az true ex
one' oil The number Of qslied voter. Law in this ~,
dad % proved erroneous. it could not be
eu' an" II might turn out to have heen ire :biy
surrendered into the hands OF ,,inorifv IL
ge, inc a.rendsncy in one branch they had il in both
Du' u Wr. 1ooKE's compromise were adopted, the
government would he surrendered neither IN ,n,;oi
ty nor minori,y:it would he in the hands of ,na,r
I'm W one ii1use and ola minority in the oher-He in
suited mat the veto OF the Senate was an alI.s
| East r'p-'y III "'e
inrep'y 10 MIR. LEIGH's argument that the Senate
weu'u De overcome ard new Convention called to
destroy s power he said that this objection applied n
every plaza new Convention nieh overt,,rn ,nv
system. He appealed TO experi.nce IN shev ,,,a ,h
oeha'e had been able 10 ress; the lower onsc but IL
the deliberate will OF its con.ii,uents was cx,res.sJ
ough' not to have p,wer To resist that will AZ 10
me c"n,'ancy OF he Senate being subdiviied by the
"wer rouse refusing to send necessary money
oi's and stopping the wheels of Government IL was
WhW no delegates annually elected would dare 10 do
ne ha" seen the experiment made; the Senate did re
rrct almost unanimously money bill passed i'm the
House by an overwhelming majority. The CHARGE NJ
a'istocracy while il might intimate some men ,.o,,d
m lfn
nerves feared the charge here would they not Cea,
we opposite change much more at bone, Some
| Uust must he reposcs, IL gentlemen would have anu
,eWeseh'"Ve government at all: IL not. they must 90
back TO pure Democracy or forward TO absolute Dss
po''s"' he objection as to constant conflict between
.ne Two Houses was not without weight; but he had
commence in the discretion Of both AMI had be.;lcs
een the thirr in practice under the former oryanz,
non OF NE Senate; and it produced serious conflict
| Mr.. MAnsHA11. now ro.. N, .,,.,,
| Iniltee nearly as follows: " ~
Two propositions have been mov.d 10. no.,,, l. .
moved basis OF white population alone. the o,her
.,s compounded OF white population and taxation com
n'ncd: The question has been discussed unit, discus
SION - useless, and argued until the argumep, il
| naus'ed We have met on the ground of a con-
| promise. IL Is now no longer question whether IN.
one or The other exclusively shall he adopted but whe
''e' we shah adopt as compromise ro;nbin ation NJ
me TWO" 40 as to unite the House on some thing which
we may recommend to the People Of Virginia and
n n'n we may reasonably hope will be acceded to-
u how' on the subject OF compromise, two proro.i.
| uons are again presented 10 the Committee The one
uese Is that the two principles originally proposed
a,' o. made the bases OF representation in one House
OF me Legislature, and the other in tho other
me oher proposition is that the two principles sbaI he
combined together and made the basis o bot, Houses
III" latter proposition contains middle princi,i hs
werh IN" basis OF white population excIusiveiv-
we PASS OF white population and taxation combined
me motion oil the gentleman from Augusta (Nr
| '""fohD '" sfixe ont the word "ResoIyed" from IN.
proposition offered by the gentleman from No,tbamnton
(r' Opshu) Is intended 10 substitute for the
I'uo when s the foundation Of that genema,'
the proposition OF the gentleman from Frederick MI
c"ose) whch Is TO Introduce white population ycIu
VeY az the basis OF the House Of Delegates and white
P''"on ana taxation combined az the basi. of the
senate This Is the question now before the Cmm;,
| ' O''''""-
we are engaged on the subject Of a comnronis. g.
compromise OF principles which neither are WILLING n
.o"oeoe' ihe very term compromise. implies mutual
CONCESSIONS: some concession there must he. but N
q"'h,um oil concession ny the two parties must dspsnJ
on circnmstances-w!ch should be well considered
| before we commit Ourselves Let us eno,ira ,L
what Is The situation Of the parties in this Conven,on
| "n "is WIN ufpcnd the rPasonabeness of snv ram.
promise That IL proposed The course Of The discus
SION convincingy shews the sincerity with ,yh;cb
racn principle IL supported there be no douht of
me honest conviction OF each side that their demand.
are fair and just. The claims Of both are su,no,,S
WIN equal sincerity, and equally honest ropvicton
mat neir own principles correct and that everv
principle advanced by their oppone n,s s unwiss and
u",ec'' On the subject Of principle, nothing can be
a"ued-no do"bt can be eneraoed Of the sincer,v of
both sidesto attempt to throw conside ra,ions of [
cple into either scale is but 10 add fuel tn tho a.
We must have lost sight OF the situation of the parNcs
u more on that subject shall be thrown by either into
the scale. - ' '"'o
what's tina. si'ua'ion' a question has been take,
w 'he committee on the first proposition submitted n
nsand decided by msiory Of t,pa Is IL p,s.ibIe
rir a.