Constitutional Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1824-1832, 1829-11-26
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VIRGINIA CONVENTION
FarDAY, Nov. 20.

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to the following resolution:
Iessoiced That during the remainder of the session
OF this Convention the 22nd rule thereof shall be OBJ
served IN Committee of the Whole-and that it
shall be the duty of the Clerk hereafter to keep
journal OF the proceedings of said Committee, and to
insert in sach journal if they be ascertaiej, all
the proceedings heretofore had therein.
The 22nd rule on motion OF Mr.. WILSON was then
read, as follows:
ANY member his motion made for that purpose,
on being seconded, provided seven OF the menI- |
bers present he i'll favor of the motion, shall have |
Alright TO have the ayes and noes taken upon the de-
termination of any question, provided he shall give
notice OF his intention to Gull the eyes and noes be-
fore the question be put, and such tue House
shall not divide, be counted the question, but
the names of the members shall be called by the
Secretary and the ayes and shall be respective
y entered the journal and the question shall be de-
cldcd majority of votes shall thereupon appear:
Provided that after the ayes and shall be scpa-
raely taken, and before they counted, entered
the journal, the Secretary shall read over the
names of those who voted in the affirmative, and of
those who voted in the negative; and my member
shall have liberty at such reading to correct any
take which may liave been committed in listing luis
uame, either in the affirmative negative
Mr.. TnoMPsoN explained his object. All the i'm
rortant business will be settled in the Committee, and
the Convention will have little TO do but 60 confirm
reject. He considered the Committee OF the Whole
to be merely the Convention sitting in another form.
Every member too, comes charged with some COM
paint the part Of his constituents and he should
nave an opportunity Of informing his constituents BY
the ayes and noes of the course he had taken. This
would be saving OF time, as it you'd prevent the
necessity of member renewing the ATTEMPT In the
Convention. The Federal Convention acted this
plan and the course substance, followed
by the New-Hork Convention. He hoped that part
Of the House which look for reaction in some parts
of the State will not object.
Mr.. LEON said if there any body of!aps which
has received more of the sanctions of wisdom than
others. it was the Parliamentary laws. Here is
proposition, the effect of which is to obvatc the most
valuable OF the rules which constitutes the essential
difference between Committee of the Whole and the
House. There is an essential difference between the
Committee OF the w hole and the House which is dis
tinct and valuable. The Federal Convention voted by
States, and therefore it became necessary call the
States. In Ncw-York in 1890 this rule adopted,
and there such bidding at auction for popular
y as had never before been known, and the ayes and
noes were taken to record the bids He imputed 20
such intention here, bids would be Us well
known without the ayes and noes with them
Mr.. THOMPSON i'll reply said there had been few
Conventions, although many deliberative bodies in
the history Of the world; consequently the examples
were few, and we had those OF two Conventions in
favor AS to the Federal Convention, the dis
fnction seemed TO have force, the States which
voted could have been Us We'll known without the
ayes and noes Us with them. We crowded so
much by visitors, that we have been compelled
to call the ayes and noes aud we may be in the
situation again. As to what said about bids,
the gentleman had discaimed any reference TO him,
he had nothingto say. The proceedings Of the New
York Convention did honor to that body.
Mr.. STASARo said it would have been the best
course for the Convention to abrogate the Commit
tee OF the w hole altogether the resolution, If
cesstul, would abrogatc i. in part The best Plan
would be to pFoceed entirely in Convention. Thc
gentleman had thought proper to proceed the
ground of precedent. lie supposed the Irccedeuis
would Justify the proposition to which he aludes.-
That gentleman seldom fails to investigate, and get
accurats information when it viii suit his purpose
Had lie examined here he would have found thai we
have had 90 or 80 Conventions in this country. The
last Convention in Philadelphia was in 1904, and
such an idea did not occur to them. the Con-
Sention which formed this Constitution, the Con-
vention Of Massachusetts,, nor of the new States.
Mr.. GoRDoH asked for the ayes and noes ON this
proposition.
when the resolution was rejected.
AEEs.--Messrs: Gpode, Anderson Coffinan, Will
hanson, NJ Coy, Moore, Eeirpe, Smith, Baxter, Mer-
GET, Henderson, Cooke, Opie, Naylor, Donaldson,
Boyd, George, NIMian, E. Campbell, Byars, Coyd
Chapman, Mathews Oglesby, Duncan, Laidley, Sum
mere, See, Doddridge, Morgan. A. Campbell, VIII
Sun, Clayton, Saunders, Cabell, Martin, Gordon,
Thompson, Joynes.-39
NoEs,--Messrs. Jones, Leigh s. Taylor, BROAD
max, Dromgooe, Aezander, Marshall, Tyler, Nicho-
iss, coRton Harrison, Baldwin, Johnson, Miller,
W. Leigh, hogan, Yenable, Madison, P. P Barbour,
Stanard, Holiday, Monroe, Powell, Griggs, Pendhe-
ton, Roane, ". p Taylor, Morriss, Garrett, ]. S.
Barbour, Scott: Nacrea, Green, Tazewell, II. d.
Efigshy Loyal, Townes Peasants. Gassie, Rose, ,
Talliaferro, Bates, Neale, Bayly, Perrin, Upshur.
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The House then resolved itself INTO Committee Of
the Whole, Mr. Powell in the Chair.
The question being on the Sd Resolution of the
Legislative Committee,
Mr.. LEIGH moved to amend the resolution by stri-
King out the whole after the word that, and insert
ing the following:
Every male citizen of the Commonwealth resi-
dent therein other than free negroes and mrattoes
aged 81 years and upwards, qualified to exercise the
right of suffrage by the existing Constitution and
laws
Aud every such citizen being possessed, or whose
tenant Tor years, at Will or at suferance, is poss
essed, OF land ofthe assessed value Of dollars,
and having estate of freehold theSein,~-
And every such Citizen being possessed, es ten
ant III common, joint tenant or copaTiner, Of an
interest III or share Of land and having an estate of
freehold therein, such interest share being OIL
the value Of dollars
And every such citizen, being entitledto rever-
sion or vested remainder in fee, expectant or any