Daily Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1828-1831, 1829-05-18

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nate step, connected with the subsequent recommen-
dation of the then Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. that
the people should continue in 1t ate of agitation. We
are told that after this bill is passed, agitation will be
atfan end-that all will be as smooth as oil thrown
upon the waves; but after you have granted this claim,
further demands will be made, which you will not be
aole to withstand. 1 say that the letter of the Noble
Duke had this unfortunate circumstance belonging TO
nithat It led the people to believe that no such Inea-
sure should be brought forward; and can there be a
better proof that they did not expect them than the
TACT that they associated la different parts OF the king
dom, not TO further such n scheme, bot to aid the
Ming S ministers IN resisting 1t. However painful
II may be to me--and to no man can il be more Main
full must ask, how could the people suppose that
this bill was to be brought in, when they believed
that che most influential Minister IN the other House
would never consent TO such u change, In is certain
y n most painful thing, my Lords, to state this, bn,
when l am arguing u question between the Noble
Duke and the Right Hon. Gentleman in the other
House, and my country, it is my duty 10 do j,stice to
my country US well as to them, aud be disreeardfiil Of
the consequence.
When we ioaA at the circumstances a,,cndi,, .,s o,.s,ior
when we consider that this measure was thrown out of this
House by a majority Of Is, and observe now ,ha, there is a
majority oil io5 at present Tor that very measure passing, how
my lords, can see tins without desiring TO know In the most
satisfactory manner how shoh on occurrence has happened
serious consideration hy duty, therefore, is 10 consider NV
own conduct. We were told we should haze mos, satisfactory
reasons tor this measure, and also tina, adistnitcd cabinet was
a great ahominaton. But, my lo,ds, how should I know what
was 10 make all those members, whom acted with IN union,
$50 '"" NHO 'phF4 M u ave utJEu IS, II yu HDuli
know, 20" must be Of the same opinion. My answer is, canno,
be Of the same opinion, because you will not tell me.-(Hear.
a comniiuce; nus b, IL <. dog .a;n.sers q como here ,SJ , ii ne
" you knew what we know you would be ft this measure
why, nay lords, | have known a very great dead, but there is a
great difference between gong into a committee to consider
Things winch It Is not very prudent should he disclosed 10 all,
ana taxing INTO consideration the whole state of Ireland. But
u $ lnne d new '"ins TO me to be told. # you know what
know you world vote for this measure, and then 10 be it.l,ned
we cannot tell ynu what we do know. Having stated these
general opinions, which would be quite enough 20 guide me IN
dccidiug upon this, | lind myself compelled 10y what is stated in
parliament 10 call FOR snmc fITtlcr information. a committee
might have told ne whether any and what securities are neces-
s1ry; In; here we arc lcrislaiing in tic dark, upon the assertion
o. MINISTERS inat they nave something behind, which, ii ouce
clscinsef' would compel us all 10 approve that to which We now
decidedly object
think / an entitled to arsue this question. 10, merely unds.
ue circumstances N THIS mntncrt existing, but rs II this were the
ilrst day oi the SESSION, ard az Il your loTdships had just ;aAen
the oath of shprcmacg Of ihc crown, & subscribed the dccla ration
against transubsian'iat'on Let me ask whether it is likely TO
increase the reverence Of The people et Parliament, 20 hear tins
that to-day, al four o'clock, your l~urdships sru1e al the table.
mat "no foreign prince. rielate. state, or VotenIsic, hath @.
ought TO have, any jurisdiction. superiority. umr c,ninenrc. n,
authority within these REALMS" aud yl immediately afterwards
passed This biR an not crterrt5 into the nice distinctions DC
tween itola,rous and idoaty, hi | say, that aher taking tie
oaths l have mentioned, a majority Of los oil your ]lordships w.
Ted IN favour Of tie measure before US (the Duke Of Wellington
cneercd) Tire noble DuNc nay cry shear, heat" and VIII
give the utmost attention 20 his cheers hu; he Tl TO nc.c lie
able 10 persuade the people tina, he is ,iaht IN f,rrirr Tn,yord
this measure, than he would DC able 20 persuade me that he IS
now IN Persia. Oicar, hear, from lord Holland Thee is
no man TN whom / feel more Kin 1ne's Than tor the noble Baron.
We differ, IL is tue, aud know his notions. know, too, that
sooner or later, this bill VIII oveTturh the arisiocracy and the
monarchy. Perhaps, emay like it the better fr that, and | an,
bNNi Nh"l u II IT'S IANlIiIG Nltl fNllgtDtSp DInll-S Olrsf 10 have
nothing to do with political power Whether l am right or
wrong is another question, bIi what have stated il my notion
OF the danger 20 the establishments, TO which ! have un!otu-
natcly gwen the name of the constitution. No; Only men Q,
great learning in my oNn profession, but most able men in other
professions agree with me. Here must do Justice TO a noble
peer who recently came among us He euieTed IN the Jegiunin,
of March, aud IT, Ike Narn, lc game in lfe \ lion | uius, al
pun the lrSl'ce 70 believe thal' Ike Nia'ch, nc wll 60 out Ike Il
ldWo' ihS "'e nc To 'o'St'"r The matter 81 tue supremacy
OF the church with reference 20 Tic oath, which declares INA,
no io'eien prince, pitlatc' str'c, or ro'cn'a;o, hath, OF ought 10
have Chat rs the Pnin) any jurisdiction, power, prominence,
or aut,orry within these realms" say, my lords, that II is
against the law, that il is against reason, That Tie house orIociy
and commons SHOULD ~ effect destroy the oath against Su,rena-
cy. They v'hucontcnd for ihs bill slv there IL 40 haIm' IN civ
ing catholics seats in Parliament My, iiey have gone 40 rr
as tn say that the agchbiSlOps Of Ireland may have seats rcfp.
In Ireland you have a~rch"shops and bishops ior every see.
But, it is said. they aW not exercising any jurisdiction whatever
Is that the fact, NV lo,dS, | say il IL no, So, and instance upou
instance might be Brought forward 10 prove ,la, its mo-, will
select one. FISt, with respect to marriage Marriage, have
heard said. is merely 4 civil contact. nj be 90. tnrnn , deSire
TO know whether these bishops and a%rchbishops interfering With
these contracts, are not interfering with civil aud ;cmpoaI mat.
tiers, have ALWAYS, my lords. held II 10 be- 4 contact, p,rtIv
civil and PARTLY rel Iious. Ny lords, a. the time / was manrci
-nuv IS years snrc-I understood that God had jonei Us
together, and never could brng myself TO iaiaN there was not
something religious in the ceremony. Now. s., nv lorls. with
respect 10 marriage, whl, Is the spiritual power OF the Roman
catholic clergy The lave cf tho larl, looking at the contract as
n civil contract. avs, that persons shall marry who are within
a certain degree. What says the Roman catholic priest, He
saws, "No such thins-you shall not marry If you are within
t'at degree: fox If you do ma.sy according 10 the law OF the
."nd, ana as mat law permits YOU, l 'hau punish you for Offend
ing the law nj tho church Of Rome; aud If vou choose 10 live as
hu>ha"' aud wifi, which tho law says you shall DO, ! saw you
shall NOT do so unless You set y disrensatiou from us, and unlcs,
that iisrersttiou is confirmed Nv the popc." That is what the
priests say, MY lords, although l know they have not the power
Of doing all this, fuI the parties who - marry aud live together
viii tc only dolowine tie law ~ the land in which they live
But how does ihat law acJcr with the law of the church VI Rome
What 10 we dJ IN oar ecclesiastical courts when the husband
and wifi disobcy the laws that guide these courts II the laws
desire tire husband aud wife to live together, and they are not
obcycd, those courts ISSUE accommodation, which, being fol
lowrd up by process from our ccnnron law courts, that enforce
respect and obedience 10 the DEGREES Of the ecclesiastical court
produce the desired efcct, aud these proceedings are accoTdmr
20 tire laws uf the country. No, f5ys the Roman Catholic priest
YOU shall not do any thing that tire laws ofthis country require.
II they DO not q Lrce with the laws of the chukh nj Rome: for If
you do viii appeal To tho church Of Rome, and that will set
all things right OUr courts say you shall be at liberty e. 10 q
certain Thing, and whyl because your sovereign the King of
England is al the head of the laws which no has sworn 10 nd
minister, and which you must ohov.
The Churcl, Establishments ia Ireland arc invaded rs m,rh
as thn laws are sCt at dciaice. There are Catholic Arcihrtnis
~ every Protestant see IA Inlmt--fhcre are Catholic Deans m
every Protestant pcancy-ibcr arc Catholic irsituds N every
Protestant pTcbcudaU-aud there are Catholic Priests called
Catholic Parish inc.ts, IN every paukh ~ Ireland These
clam the tales of tic various Offices tciongiug ~, and occuj led
10y the protestant clergy. My Lords, 1t Is (or yon To say whether
this system shall continue IT IS for YOU to say whether you will
have persons in places where tiey can exercise their duties, or
whether you viii have the church establishment thus invaded
bv the Roman cathode clergy' do not know, my Lords,
whether tho Roman CiilIulc probate 10 whom the Noble Duke
ADDRESSED a letter was or vas not the archbishop; hut there was
4 Roman ca thplU a~tClhishOp, who disputed whether the pru.