Daily Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1828-1831, 1829-11-19

tlon, according to which he Wes WAS en,;,Icd 80 ,
senators and large fraction--second the bns,s ~
,otai population IN which the West was entitled IN
U aud small frac,ion--snd third the basis of s,ec
white numbers, on which the West would bo cn,i
tied 10 and fraction. Adding MI these results to
ge,hcr and dividing them by B, the West was found
emitted toS and large fraction. II being then CON
sidcrcd that Ia East with fifteen memb RS coJ Lo,
ter spare the fraction than the West with O. Tho
East gave up the fraction, and the West had then
members Inc w est was then satsfed-thn S,ll
was brought IN, and when the gentleman from Brooke
said that he offered an amendment he could no, have
committed greater siake
Mr., ponDhp1E rose To explain. That was not
inc oil which he had referred TO. His reference
Vas To the Convention Bill.
Mr. IAzEwULL said. he was sotisfe1 rho ,,on,Io
Muh did hot mean 10 make miStatement vc, H.. was
convinced that he did state it three or four times
w hen the Convention Bill was in PROGRESS lc did
no. oiri an amendment slmar to that winch the non
t.enlau from Chest r.C!i had now oacred-,hat there
should nc one member for each Connressionul di.
'fIci, ana u member 10 each number of
"'ite population, TO which he moved TO add and
cHcn - number OF slaves. He could not fill
las blank TN the other blank was fled--hc could
not MI his blank until he knew the number OF whites
because be intended fill his blank with 3 5ths NJ
that number. The proposition was lost He had
H"i' douO, IN arranging the districts that the rc-
teiscn had regard to white population but IL such
was Tie fact they Kept Ii to themselves Such vos
Tic history of this Bill. II, had non ID thar rIc ~
&C di'gs now would terminate in the same manner
. hat
Uliy wanted equal representation IN the Senate:
thcy sald they had 1t III the House of Drlcr,tcs
ana we were told we should hear no more of 1t if
we gave u Ill The Senate. He had seen good re-
SUIT IRON forming the Representative IN The Senate
th!.'Hen years ago. He had knnw DIRE how far rrood
was thea obtained, anu he was wiHin- - ...,, a.,
same good from the same cause now. They did not
:. t.1t t!e. look! to any general ylc-y5 rs IN win,
were the people, ,'.' e.-.'.,s;ed the uues,c, cs to
statesmen, and decided that one portion Of the cnun
Try was entitled 10 certain representation and tho,
ot,er, 10 other certain representation. The found
a!saci!on IN the way, and threw 1t into the hands of
the people of the West. He would take The man If
t!iGiHia, aud George MaSon's CONSTITUTIONS and
oIi" one line, winch would meet tie coacu renee of
a.. Ihs he believed he could DO unless rs the
gentleman from Augusta had said--this was TO he
considered as question of mere power. II so, the
hCinhrst mot y could not be surrendered without
an abasng degradation. We are entitled to powcr
but We are willing to part with share of IT. If it IS
asked ~ tie way we wish. II that did moi sa,ist,,
gentlemen, he could not satisfy them IN any otbcy
way-he was willing to meet them on the ground of
ccprOml q, II there was manifestation OF similar
spirit on The other side But # they were expected
20 be GIVING al! until tho people of the West were
s1tstcd lie would at put hi, foot ON the matter
and give nothing. II the consequence should be 4
usS"lG ion OF this body, he could not help it. five
arr 10 go on III e W est cry hold, 1T would be Use
less, tor tie West would have all. He would rive
nothing, unless he was met by the spirit of con,1ro
mise on the other side. He wished TO preservn all
the Constitution which was gSbd-no more. Hc
"Oulu give All, Wnerc practical mischief
suited. lie would go farther, where ,l.2:. ,,as q
hat mlschIefwor result he was c,Ilir,
20 provide remedy. The people did not send him
lcTe 10 pu down the fabric to the foundation s,opr
u or Ter TO buitd 1t up again To alter every thisr
o d'lSat every thing, he came not here. The non
PIE Scut HIM here under these IMPRESSIONS III,
had heard complaints that this instrument was de-
ectlVe. and was producing mischief they had moi
themselves eI' Inc mischief, bat they him 10 en-
luiIe INTO the fact. 1t satisfied that IL does worx
EVIL, he was ready to adopt the practical remcd,,
when 1t was exhibited to him For that he came
lnd he would honestly go to be end, but when we
'fe toin we came mere to discuss question of power
with then? who say we have right, and will have
bower, ne coud only answer questions Of power are
not settled here In Courts, questions of WRIGHT nrc
settled jurcs but there is but one forum for the set
-Iement OF quest of power, and but one instru
ment by which 1t can be obtained. In Sparta. tbote
arose u question of power-a demand was sent ar
c"Inpanl with threat, that If IT was not pjven he
VINO asiedlt, would come and take 1t. The answer
was come and take it. lie came, bat he did not
take it. ~ ~
Mr. boDDRiDGE said he wished make some observations
'y 70 te statements OF the gentleman from Norfolk Tina,
gentleman ha SAID that by the law Of February 1917 reforming
the senatorial representations reference had not only 10
W. m nuS 70 interests and other ccus stances, from
an examination OF winch resulted HAT tie West were entitled
70 eght senators and fraction, and that Last Welded bo
traction 10 the West, which them members Mr. ID
said lie would rely memory and onnose il n %
tue gentleman from Norfolk bot he would ppea 10 facts ,
worth ''''' y '"e' "oi'' or DT
The senatorial bill OF Feb 1917 was based on ,Ic cs n
~ iol" iie NiIoc "nlte population SOL
gl"ng the fractions of housand-of this Formulation 81 GS1
were found west Of the Blue Ridge Out twenty four rcn
ocTs OF the senate, this population entitled the IVES, IN r
nHnie5; and large fraction which they lost; so that The
senatorial arrangement of that year was rcpuaied nv [
population, and by nothing else By the law OF l8l7 IL e
several annual elections TO give the West their nc neeS
4hese members dd not into body until I82O ri.
Census OF i year showed that at that period West had
upwards OF $4,000 uuepcened Since 1910 the incrcoss of
western population has been nearly lO7 600 and of the cs
$4,000, leaving of the Ridge upwards of o. 600 sous o
uErnpwscutcd ~ the Senate w
the gentleman had said that ~ 1917 the West had their ,
share 10 TIE fiose 81 delegates How that statement
may b. vii appear from the following facs-n 1917 there
were " Counties aud towns represented THIS Produced
iou,e 81 w members There then 81 counties cs, of
t"s Ridge having 90 members The population being 5I O0o
inhabitants, and DE number of members 2O2-ibe western
population being 2!sO23 entitled Them 7g members instead
81 % beng deficiency VI TO- members, which beng added 10
INC FAST gave mat quarter q the State advantage on
divided vote OF -. "
There was as hte accuracy in the other assertion that tic
west were satisfied with the senatorial arrangement tecla
u to be one that justice and equity required FAR rom ts
u OF hc members rom the West voted against senatorial
b' ~ All us slasee, and agreed accent il ,,,d ii,
Convention biz which went to the senate was LOST
The Inequality OF western representation m tlc Uouse NJ
Delegates has increased since 1917 The whole y btc oonula