Daily Richmond Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1828-1831, 1829-11-30

ueuien from Frederick (AIr. Cook ne, Se!i-
/ tSi,e ,,.".a Wien he made this assesiun, fore
,L pure democracies OF untiquity-did IA. $50
those 81 more modern date, but still moe 'oi.CeL
WAN Tue age OF CromwclP . mean The S,,;s. . ,'I
wos s"lirngo was more universal than i, ever
nS "e'ore or since; every male at the nco 90 -
vars Was allowed to votc-and tpke II rnon 70
suffrage. '""' THIS extended
Tho gentleman from Chesterfield 1, ~;
FAVOUR OF property representation warmed ne n,..
'"t wnl'e OASIS, equal representation He ala ;ss
ead TO tho subversion OF our frceroy
e,hHeht anu 10 dcspUtsm He cited &c ovo,ns,
ureece, Kome. aud all the ancient ronSi;'Ps;
he'u up 10 Us the English Governments ne nm $500 $50
pie IN many respects worthy Of our imit,tnn IYs
Yesterday predicted that the same efl.c, p,,s, -,
sariiy result from universal sufTrage hn, 70: "eees-
again vouching the ancient republics TO sus, az; ~;
IN TINS prophecy, think he said these ron,i ni
furnished no light for our guidance but tim, 49,.
waRthe country we must look for orr nno,or;os -
" lessons OF instruction and experience /, heinz ,h
10y '.P'esehtaive government bearing real siml
Tn !" "uiS' IN the world, or That ever existed
men, an tree governments have persbed h,, ST.
formidable foes of liberty cGunl rcproscn,n,;oyn 80
unVrrFai Suhrage.-Iiow do the gentlemen nccorr,
TOT ,he tal OF despotisms?-they too have perisLcd
u''u "'o governments established on their ruins r1
uniVersnl suffrage, and equal ropresnr,ot;on -
duce these effects too'--if So they have do,a ~
n'ueh good as cvll-and deserve not such utter ,a
oatlNn-Bul tie truth Is, gentlemen have beer nj
led, they knew only the historic fac, III, '
nlcnts itcc and dcsPoc have persisted have shsoJ
'ne tate al every thing mortai-have obevcd H.,
Stfruc
tomb man, and all the work of man. but H. . ZIG
aud hidden causes, that produced these efFcc,s 80
nave oeen, and ever Will be- O matter of specnN
uon'-Thc ancient or the modern republics az -
y incapable of teaching TIE any le,ssons OF SUI
or oil furnishing any bcacous for our warn;n,,N ,I,
are not cases IN point-there is no rcsemblaSoo
r"e pure ucmocraces of antiquity, and the
representative democraeics oftho u Stuies H.
was made the first experiment of TINT fornn r 80
enoht' uhd ours arc the only representative de5oc
r pc ,ns' ever existed Had the Republics of
rescntnve principle, their liberties might have r.
lInmortal-fur # that attribute can vithou ;r,,;.
oe Inscribed 10 any government, /, must be 10 n INV
eminent IKE ours. fOndly trust ours will bo -
mortal FOR this representative pripcinIc ,,o -
indebted to England, aud she borrowed il rtn, ,h
woods OF Germany-bui in borrowing this pnrt NJ Ln,
eGse,nen'' we discarded her monarchy, and her
arlstocrncy, intusing instead, the pure denocra,;
sprr IN our Institutions-Grerce and Rome H.,
furnished us models of architecture stotuarr 49,
try aud PAIN ing, but of government, II 49,,
be as just 20 compare their beautiful Tem,,o ,
Steamboats,, cotton gins and printing presses ne W
compare our institutions of government with the
ihSy arc Us ds.imiiar They therefore, can shed no
ligh' on our deliberations, much less Mr. Chnirmor
than the Cherokee Nation OF Indians who have ~,
cen'iy estao Tree constitution of governmopt
ana lA~s'-Mr. Chairman, we have hear, many pro
LESSONS OF patriotism, and love of country 49,,
not their sincerity, but shall make none uvs.If 50
ter telling you TINT the man who loves not his conn
try. ia a monster in human shape '
Nor shall J. Mr. Chairman Join In tho v,, or -,
thets so much complained of by the gentleman e..
Chesterfield, and the gentleman from Spottsvlvnn;,
submit 1t to the candour Of this Committee 10 do.
eide, who cast the first stone and whether IL nr;s,o
crot, and monarchist be obnoxious epithetls-rbetb.
or vlsionaries, abstract theorists denapooues liz
ders at the shrine Of popularity, SLANG &c no nc,
ehllIIou 10 the same appeiotion submit it to The
candour OF the gentleman from Chesterfield vbe,ho-
In his zeal, he has not been betrayed into the sam,
fault, which he has imputed our side For ON,
example among others, that might be enumerated of
Incorporate zeal, and harsh epiihe We had assetted
q frpe a.
right OF suffrage, he replies, that if thew are mr.
united To vote, the consequence will be hat the son
Will vote with differently from his father-,S viii,
MS iathcl the man with four sons, will have five
votes-if they vote differently from the father thor,
tour sons, will be four scoundrels mud nunnies =
surely tne gentiemans reflections, cannot sanction
now such opinions--if they do, would ask him AZ
what age may son, ffeeholders even vote indie
pendenty, without merng the epilhet of scoundrel
ana puppy and this, Mr.. Chairman, is a sentiment
expressed by one, who has so strcnuousy con,enJcJ
for the independence of voters.
, agree with the gentleman from Chesterfield in
pc euIogv ne mas paid to the eehoders of the State
there Is not IN the world more respectable bodv ~
men; have cause to respect and In,,o IT, Ivy Vi
thclr Partially, undo served I am su,e ~ - "uS
that sent me here am sure they will not conTs;de,
me as disparaglng their claims when Gnu ,Lat ~
non lreeholders are respectable bodv n nor
There are viruous, and vicious AMONGST both cios
cs Indeed Mr.. Chairman, we have been told h. ~
very philosophic poet, ard | think truly
"pirtuoars and viciorl, evsy,, man ,,,.,,
"FeO IN me extreme but al IA the DECREE"
i
put cannot agree with him in the comol,nsot r.,
nae PAID to the intelligence of the so much landed
-, oy surprising them to have been cheated
out OF their votes an calling this Convention. mr. in
the elections to this body cheated into sentiments
so hostile to their true interests. After ntributnD 10
.nen. the suicidal folly of calling this Convention
mol IN terms but by the tenor Of all his rarrrnt
u was indeed the most charitable supposition ne -
, ,neI', 10 suppose them to have been misguided
me people m my district venture to snv y orc mo,
chea ted cannot shy how il was in otheS, w.
MI ChaITmun cannot what the ballot bc-,cs
H' fandorns IT II better please the gentleman md
NOUS correspondent from Maryland have to do w;ys
inc subject ofths debate. The gentleman vory con-
nn, my expresses his preference for the vioq rGss o.
'cton' reprobaies the mode ofvotiDp by bnl5t tbcn
gratultous'y assumes this latter mode TO be- Tho nc
cessary consequence Of extended sufffage and bv
thls assumption he readily iuslifcs his rcprohato -
inc cause OF this consequence. agree with L;r ~
preierring the viva vOce mode of yoting-but 49,
not prepared so confidently he seems 10 be IN a1
nounce an aDaih"ma upon the other-we g,oUig n,
Of orf tttcU -