Phenix gazette. [volume] (Alexandria [D.C.]) 1825-1833, 1828-02-16

10: his own guidance. Against this principle
he protested, as having no substantial founda-
ton. II there was power to make rules II
the presiding officer, and also in The Senate
these conflicting powers would neutralize the
force OF either.
Mr. Van Ruren spoke at length against The
idea OF Inherent power in The presiding otfleer
which he considered a dangerous principle
emanating from conflict, which had existed
ever sine the adoption of the Constitution, be-
~ cen the aristocratic and democratic elements
of his country. He considered that Jealousy
Of The power Of men in Office, was public vir'
tue, and the sures, guarantee Of the permanence
of the liberties of the People. He Should dc
all in his power to shos, by Senatorial de-
cision, that The presiding officer had no inherent
right 10 oyer>rule The debates, and with this
view he should vote fur this amendment.
Mr.. Dickerson also sustained the amend
men,, and argued that the inheren, power did
exist in The hands If the Vice President Of the
exer,i ice OF which improperly he tel 10 Tears, 4
which he thought would be better ex"rted
by he presiding officer, than by the Senator'S
Mr. Macon expressed hImAlif al length, in
opposition 10 the amendment, which he consid-
cred unlikely to be Of benefit. He had r.>
Their rxpunge the 9th and h rules than pass
This amtrdmen, He did not believ" in the
doctrine Of inhe ent powers, and was OF opinion
that the discrelon of amy man, il he were as
WISE as Solomon. would mol De proper guide
for lis direc ton.
MIR. Chambers in few predatory remarks,
observed that public men were always exposed
10 have their motives impugned, and their
words missta,ed; and when this WAS done bv
some unknown and irrespon ,iblr scrihbier, il
could no, be Injurious, because the trade OF
such being was SANDER aud Diet, action. But
when such assaults were made upon the
floor Of the senate, they assumed an Importance
which ouehl not to be- underrat d he iherc-
fore hoped, that some positive authority would
BE- established for the prevention, in any case,
IF such language as was offensive or disorder
ly.
MIR. Rowan moved that the amendment be
divided, ard the vote he FIRST taken on giving to
the President the authority TO call 10 order for
woras spoken in debate
MIR. foo, asked whether the amendmen,
could be divided,
The Chair considered that two propositions
were embraced in it, and tat votes might BE-
taken ssperatclv upon them.
Mr.. Berrlen expressed tne same opinion, and
after few remarks, which from the no sc III
the gallery, we're maud bic - tn" Reporter, be
made motion 10 adjourn. which was REJECT
ed.
NJ. Rowan withdrew hi, motion to divide,
ard moved to strike out OF the amsndmeh',
the ords "Presiden: or"-leaving the rig 70
all % order in debate, to the Senators only.
MIR. Foo, inquired whether this proposiien
ad not already been dec ded by the REJECT on
Of Toe amendment; proposed by h. senator
from Gle orgia, MIR, Berrien] vest rdag.
oil
propositions were not the sam, as thai amend
men embraced the proposition Of hr Senator
from Kentucky, and several Other objects
MIR. Van Buren ask, for The Yeas and Nays:
the vote was then taken on striking out the
words president or" aud decid' d IN he neg
awe by the following vote; Ayes l6-Nays
80.
Mr.. White moved to divide the amendment,
so as 6rs, to decide he question OF conterring
the ripht on the President, and then on The ap'
peal of ,he Senate.
The division having been agreed 10, the ques'
ton upon the first portion OF the amendment
was decided by the following vo'e:-fea' 81
NAYS Is.
The question on tho second portion ol the
amendment then occurring, and M. Foot ha''
ing called tie yeas and nays, it was adopted 81
! the folio " ing vote:-Yeas a., Nays 3
So The amendment of Mr.. Foot to the Ga
| rule was agrerS TO.
The Vie President then rose. and said, that
he took this opportunity TO express MS eh'irt
satisfaction with that portion Of The amend
mfn,, giving to Senators TIE right OF appea
from the decision Of he Chair, as II was nj"
only according to sirie, principle, but woui'
relieve the Chair from most delicate duty
As to the power conferred upon the ohair
wos mn, for him TO speak, but he assured tht
Senate tina, he should always cndea'or to exer
else i, with s,rict i'm artiaii'y.
| Mr.. Foot then moved to amend the 7'h RUE
by inserting, after the words called to order,
ne words "by Senator" mski"g i, requisite
to write down the offending words uttered n'
member only when Senator sh""'d nav
called him to order; which was agreed TO-.
Mr. Macon asked whether a vote should no
he taken on the two amendments.
! Tbe Chair answered, that the division OF th'
amendment preeluded the necessity OF doing $"
MIR Noble remarked, that the Chair ough
,,,, ,ysrv member in Keeping or