Constitutional Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1824-1832, 1827-04-24

man from Amelia and the gentleman ,Cn No,t!arlp-
ton, beg leave nnw to reply to 1t, il conucc
ted with the principle of slave representation They
ccntcnd, that REPRESENTATION should lee based on nu;,
beis aud taXaiinn 1his principle couiiu,s with that,
winch consider e be the tue ont hui c, that he as
may, either principle couleiGCJ .uT 10y them, utlt
g'e The friends OF Convent y; :no:;ty ~ ti. ilouc
-''.if E.noers ami taxes being larger ian those or
the non: Convenonsis, if we take the population a..a
es oil ,he counties represented BY thci Gu this ioor,
as correct data for calcus'ion
The member who spoke last, [Itr. Cnshur) has at
tempted TO ohviae the objections made on Saturday
70 '"t section IN his amendments, which proposes 20
coDicr ON the Executive the power to ascertain ihg
number OF voters. have not been convinced that
was wrong ip ing that this t!ansce nden,y i,nor-
tan enquiry ougi; to he made Nv nine or perha IS
by i've persons, occupying staiiGus, which from the
secrecy of their proceedings aud the in
which they prac'ised under the INDUCTION of the
CONSTITUTIONS they are wholly irresponsible. There is
another SHY This power should not be given Il,
them. They are Interested III tie issue of the Qucs.
tom and however honest lay 81, they should not
be trusted, when they may he injured or benefited b.;
'heir own !egisi2n We would not cunsent that Tic
same number Of persons, perfectly Ilsutercs ;ed and
equally well quai,sd with tAe Executive should de-
ternine ou which SIDE there a prcpondcrance DC
cause, by coriup. they could either cause Con,
yen'!on TO be called or stc the OF HE people.
iue Two ti"ases or Assembly are the topcr ritu nails
20 conuuc scfutiuy OF such magnitude and !.cacy:
the members Of each being ananabc their apns.i;i,
ents ii the Executive be unable TO decide any mat
Ter before them. must be turned over 10 tie Ierisla,
SiiC ana IL I'.,Hy probable Tint number OF
points 10 be decided by ,!ic there vii! not be such
unaninIty as IS contemplated by tie mover OF these a.
mendtnents Should any difficulty a5ise, ard VIC are
almost bound to presume it, the Legislature mus, act
as an appellate body and i'm that capacity ,,cciAo ,f
Ter mitch d:!ay, what they ought to have decided al
first.
ltwoud Lave Afforded rna pleasure, i The gentleman
bad discussed liza amendments, vi,h stIiCcr regard
10 the principles which they rc4i and had been
strenuous in his caorts TO wake the sleeping prc.,'i
ceS OF members from the small counties Cnhannly
tor the peace OF the CommonSe the friends Of re-
ioru' lave not been able 10 elect decision of anv
Questions touching Convention on principle N.,i,
'Gg hut expectancy passion, has been bryunht IN
bear upon IT. and even when the Inherent rights
oi me people arc assaiiGj, we l'r that r. is nyo.
Sed TO sustain the gentle Perhaps if the i,,,lr
ncn were gwen tarer Play, all might come ioreih-
err and some happy close of this aitatin contest rh
be effected. Rat this never he the case az lJn-
MS 1t Is SAID. that the small counties should not par! with
that portion of power which ii.py have no rin;,i IN
hold Should the States of Delaware AID Rhola Is
ia:i, having population only equal 10 three of orr
Congressional Districts, have retained By the force
OF circumstances mot then TO be cou,rou led right 10
send as many Representatives to CONGRESS as E;ro:-.
ia and New York: would Virginia dassis-;y0r1
gentlemen recommend that she should des;st even for
an instant ti'l she was restored TO her Just influence
by decreas'na the ratio of their representation TO thai
OF their inhabitants? But, SIR how much greater would
be her grievance, how mitch louder how much stron
ger you'd be the language Of her cou,rlaiuis; evcrv
governmental facility for the peaceful recoyers Of her
rights were withhold from her by those very States
" ny, sir, should ocr course be different; fron, that
which gentlemen would recommend tho State 10 mr.
sue' In what would tbore be violation OF prnciDe
IN Tie equal representation of Rhode Island Viro
ia, which is not violation in equal representation
of Warwick and ofIouioup? now fuio,y the exam.
pie set me by the member WI has lust taken his seat
MIR Upshur) and tell the rnberg, 10 whom he partc
uar'y addressed himself ban speaking Of the Icprc
sehtation OF slaves that too, have my fears OF the IA
tai consequence o! the ocguaL rcpy escntion IN yir
giniai and that they d.ny to the members OF
the conederacy the bepei. OF tho rule they csa, its
1T home.
GeoTc yield my nd ui,g tic noor .-s a1s;, M
tite the impu'aou preferred against advocates of tie
bill in your hands, by The member from Noyia,cp,o wo
are charged, Mr. Speaker, with seeking some poIiticaI
ahFhnthgc ii the gentleman had taken the trouble 4,
ascertain the population of the Counties whose
have heretofore voted for Conventions he would h %.
found large majority of the people to be in fro, of il
II ;e lad examined into the revenue TAI v the
countlcs in favor Of Convention, he would have found
ihat the largest portion received Into the Teasury is pa il
ny 'iem At he mad referred 10 the Declaration of Indie
penicrcc-'o The Bill Of Rights-to the Ordinances of
God, stamped the heart of man, nc would have found
'nat an tapsc nigh authorities support claim cGual
participation i'll the right, direct the movements of Tho
eveTnmc" Bat Sir the gentleman has shut his ewes 10
these truths, he denies ;hcr cxstcrcc Tie latter
cnnn tricvr they have been sounded too often in his
- hc fogocD Whit does the centIrrran mean
i3ocs M deny any principle of ;irc Bill Rights Does
u" icuy any principle Of the Declaration of Inigpnn-
deice! II ne does let him speak out Let him avow his
sentiments! We have right to know them, n be an,s
d"harfcd tine benehs 10 he derived from thc' err,a,
HIM te toll u.s. whence Hcdraws tl,e right 10 ar us ,o,
or GoE5f'H believe il is fact sir that there arc ,,r,
T. two counties scnd'' jorLY (Jr GciegaicS 10 this House
rh;c d1 not pny them their wages; while there arr. E.
counties which pay into Ill" Treasury si2iy Housa,d J
c pea annu ~ have population 10000 souls aud
hu: ten delegates. Can 1t said that VIC nc taxed with
consent Can no said that gu. voicc is heard or
' III ne Disbursements Of the money dr.; w from, or
p'ckHiS 80 sir, &c arc taxed and governed a, saves.
d'c siHmaH dcn'ncia;iou embraces Within Is sco,c
nh 81 tie 0"s pat,i"S q" the land. I; strikes at the -o-
'rFe5 o! the Great Father Of American LIBERTY WHY
81 these eoibems Of Sorrow Why the deep rnourping
which 50 recently covered Tie land? They arc evidnces
Ut la deep aictnn If Toe T"rprat cath ,f the u.
thor Of 'he Declaration Of Fufcpcndcncc But he va
cpD:co"ta and Is included in thr Catalogue oc rhoee
-anourosd by TIC gentleman. Sir the members nf ri,
lows" VIII rot c"untcnancc this EFFORT signatizc one
'n Of iaa people Of Virginia, led by Thomas j. rzon
Is political JockieS. Gotlcv will DC the last TO dot
Inc vlrt''c or the wisdom Of that iusnus man. aud III,
friends ot Conven''on VIII he the last, deserve The trio
sIr Thomas Jefferson Will bc looked upon in = # cou,ip
aGGS to ' what have sal" he was, aud again repeat The
father % American Liberty.
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