Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1827-05-04

suing session of Parliament the laws affecting
Roman Catholic fellow subjects. The Parliament
meanw bile. as occurred las, year, was dissolved.
On the opening Of the New Parliament the bill
was in,r eGuced hy Mr.. Grat'an---m was given 10
him by me, thought il was due to his fame,
bis station, and his venerable age, that the bill
should be brought forward by him. On my I'M
eA pec,ed victory, the greatest that ever
! achieved on this question, constituting, think,
majority ia its favour of 49, the bill was intro
duced. and into IL we're Incorporated the securities
which deemed necessary TO the required conces-
SION. The right honourabie gentlemen lies under
a fallacy as to the object and proposed eGec, of
these securities. The securities were of political
nature they were not, as the right honorable
gentleman supposes, securities OF church and state
The objects which these securities were intended 10
attain were these two first, TO give to the crown
certain authority in the nomination OF Catholic
bishops; and secondly to subject the corSespon-
dence Of the See of Rome with The Roman
Catholic subjects in this country TO the in ection
OF government. a correspondence had gone on
before WITHOUT the inspection of government,
and II goes On still. This was wha, we proposed
to remedy, and if that Bill in 1873 hal passed. it
would have been reinedisd. When these secure
ties were then aei,ated the situation of the Pope
was very different from what il noN is. He had
not then, o. lie now has, the enjoyment of the
Papal See a, Rome; and however gIibly gentle
inen may talk OF the dangers of the RESTITUTION of
that See, ii is more isiactory that he should
enjoy the es,abli-hed authority for every purpose
thai be now possesses, Tan tha, he should be
si,ua,sd = ho then TO s-ti.na,o the value
and importance of tie securities then offered IL is
necessary 10 consider the time and circumstances
under which they We're proposed. But NV right
honoursble friend Mr.. Goulburm) seemed 10 think
'ha, all securities were useless, b-cau-e tey were
unsatisfactory to the Komrn Catholic. to whom
they were proposed. Were they refused by the
Roman Catholics on that ground: No such thing.
They we're endered useless, because, sir. your
predecessor in the chair took share in the dis
cussion in the committee, and opposed the clause
which proposed the admission OF Roman Catholics
TO seas in Parliament, and the victory which he
then Obtained, has left US the precious legacy we
are noH enjoying Cloud cheers). II was not the
distas,e of RomI,h Eccesiasiic., therefore, t,a,
rendered the proposed securities useless (hear,
hea'D There was no bargain and sale a. to terms
which the Eli OF 1918 was introduced. The
ruth was, no opportunity was slr,rded TO them
OF giving heir assent or dissent, for the Bill was
brown out before their opinion upon il could be
fairly pronounced; as it never PASSED into law,
and was never, therefore, tried. And here wish
TO assure the Horse, that in whatever part have
taken this subject, have taken il on NV own
convc ion Of lis Justice and its evpedency /
have never had aay consul,aiion with either Pre-
Catholic persuasion, in any measure which have
mad share OF preparing, with the exception of
the gentleman employed in draw ing up the techni-
csl provisions OF the Bill in the PREPARATION of
=" hich WAS engaged Sir, the Legislature that
condescemjs tn bargain abandons lis duty of le-
sslaoo (cbeers\. II said b. my RICH, HONDURAS
bic friend Nr. Gonlburn) that the unwilling
ness the asper'y with which securirie. v ere re.
ceived by the Roman Catholic Clergy, had cooled
. tatr D1ylta- 81,
Sir, whatever may have been the unwelcome re-
cep,ion the proposition for these securities NAV
have met with in Ireland. there is no man ac-
quain;el with what daily passes no man (even
who does moi dsdain the reading of Quayfos) who
does not know 'ha, any expression of dissaisfac-
lion that mag have been expressed by the Roman
Catholic Clergy, fell infinitely short of he terms of
viTulence. OF taunfins, ana of contempt which
were uttered respecting these very securities, and
which, though not prope,.y entitled 10 &c pre-
sent, myself " his ai,i5u,'' heard uttered by
noble Lords in anotlier place The right honoura-
Die gentleman proceeded to argue that Under
such eli cnWsance- IL was physically impossible
to frame any Bill with such securities as would
De adopted. il was hopeless for tina, House
20 devise securities hish were sure 10 be rejected
In The place u which they were carried. Tie op-
ponents of Catholic Emancipation called for new
securities They imposed upon lis friends a talk
in the Bible, who was required not merely 10 find
the interpretation OF dream, but guess the dream
itself. So he had been called upon not Only 10 find
SECURITIES, but TO guess the danger (hesr herr ia sr)
1t those who required the securities would desc ribe
the d.ugers which hey apprsbend, he would find
the securities but IT too much 10 require him 20
find the danger and the SECURITIES too, Ia Iaugh)
This, however, he would gay, that be had always
entertained firm opinion, that al whatever pericd
the Catholic Question might he settied g.,
be provided in that settlement, that the Crown
should in some shape other interfere in the no
Innation of the Catholic Bishops I, had been
truly stated by an honorable gentleman tina, the
King of Prussia had obtained securities from the
Catholics in his dominions; il was perfectly true
that the King Of the Netherlands was negocistipy
for similar securities; II was perfectly true that in
Austria and Ssxony, and other states such SECURITIES
existed. But how had iey been Obtained, They
hsd been procured at the fret hand, OF the Pope Of
Rome himself. The various states in question had
bad an inter course and means of negotiation with
the Pope, hich we did not possess In the ex
isting state of the law coulI not enter into A.
ny such negotiation. he year AFTER he had
CRIME into The Office which he then held he had
had he opportunity OF asceriaining the fact In
those popular works which were resorted to he
the unlearned, ne had read that i, was hjsb trea.
10 correspond with the Pope of Rome
Soon after he entered the foreign Office. there
came letter from The Pope addressed 10 our mos,
gracious sovereign, announcing the Pope's access
-ion TO the pon,iica,e, which letter was accom-
paoied by very handsome leite- from the 10.
man Secretary o! State to him Mr. Canning y
Although he had always thought that the ONLY
way in " hich the question Of the securities To
be required from the Caiholics could he settled
was by negotiation with The Pope, yet be knew
that II might be a. much rs bis reputation was