Constitutional Whig. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1824-1832, 1827-01-23


There mario in name. The amendments in
vo,cd pfincipes, that we were not prepared 10 act
Upon. We instructed ~ take tie sense of the
people, but nothing further We did no. know the
idea that the people would he enabled 10 vote more
undcrstannsly by mems of these amendments was
pausible-but il not absurd for the Legislature to
prescribe limits n Convention? II was as vain nc
prescribing limits TO the He had no wish 10 sun,
press discusson--but if we considered these amend
menls the discussion would be endless as well as use
less.
MIR. Upshur by way of opposing the rising of the
Committee unoldcd the scope and object of his amend
tnents. Having somewhat progressed i'm the deyelop
of las views Messrs. Mason of Frederick Nlacrae
and Carter expressed doubts "a his being in order
Mr.. Mason of King and Queen thought him in order
The Chairman decided him TO be in order, and Mr.
Carter appealed from the decision Mr. Gholson cx
pressed his conviction that the Chair had decided cor
rectiy. Mr. Carter explained the grounds upon which
he thought the gentleman from Northampton was out
of ORDER when the decision Of the Chair was affirmed
Mr. Upshur concluded the able expose of the scope
OF his amendments and having concluded
Mr. rutherford rose and supper ted the motion for
the Committee 10 rse and declared his total opposition
TO the amendments. He said that the people had asked
only Tor the reference of the question for orga
hizaton OF details. necessary when the question should
be Automatically decided. lie expires his convcon that
me amendments were calculated to defeat BILL 4 beey-
he amendment prevailed, and the Convention assem-
ocd and submitted proposed the constitution To he
voted for as whole by the people, that result, i'm n re-
OF the whole In addition 10 these ason he thought
knowedge the right of this Legislature organize details
ana prescribe rules and regulations for Convcu,ina
power superior to the Legislature itself He exposed the
inconsistency of the arguments anti conventionists AT
one Time they said we irronsietahle minority
next they insisted upon making regulations for Conven-
t'"i which by their dec!s ions could sen,lc
Mr. Mason OF Frederick replied 10 Mr.. U,,shur He
said was and apa,pn that the friends of III,
original eil ought To understand ch other He thought
Ne could cenvinte them, that if the amendments
adopted he bill ought To be rejected For one, he should
feel 1t his duty to vote against it, MIR. Mason replied
'cu'ary TO MIR. upshurs arguments, soru,nizing his
amsnds,nts, &c.
The Speaker declared that the whole debate was on, OF
| order.
The question was then taken the rising Of the
mit'ce, and carried in the affirmative, yes 81 uoes %
This ylte decided the fate Of Mr.. U,,slurs amendments
and the Dill in its original shape reported with the
amendments made nn Wednesday the House. These
amendments were scvc.aiiy agreed TO hy the house.
Mr.. Page moved the indefinite posponeme OF the hill
and amiInentsand called for the ayes and noes which
/ call was sustained.
MIR. Glolson expressed his ton Of This o,;or
"asihe Commonwealth {" he forever asated witt! this
question: Was it possible that eur labor ON this
subject, the ma i'll question last be avoided? Mr.
U. then read by way of Argument against indefinite
rohemrnt, Preamble 10 The bill which will found il,
| report of yeste! avs proceedings
Mr.. Page explained, and justified his f,r MOVING
an indefinite postponement.
Mr.. Winston though instructed asa- the BILL
declared this objection 10 the motion of the gentleman ON
Gloucester. There % n hsfnt.
MIR. Craig thought this fair of proceeding as
any other way AS for the preamble, which would be rx
Guided by it, ii was mere irirpery, and
ment No advantage could he taken This course
Mr. Letter was willing to meet the question. He was
as well prepared he should any lutrre a
Mr. Gholson explained his offering the prea,n-
ble lie wished to shew his constituents upon what prin-
cries he should vote for the bill He srd various OBJ
Jections to the motion TO postpone.
Inc question then put iniinite pos'parerrut
and carried i" the negative, 81 los, as follows
AYEs-Messrs Persinger DAVIS of 81. ash, Hamilton.
allen of Bot Mallory, Patson, Christian Of G. Rich
ardson, Gaines, Elan, Clarke Ches Wilson, HARRISON
Wynn, Boisseau, Cnlie Wray, Mock Muse, Sniow, mi,
of Giles Smith of Gloucester, Page Watkins of Gooci
Hail OF Gray. Blair MCluns Anderson, Lun'y WardIaw,
Darlington, Chalmers Inlienan, Chapmau iIrney kr
by, Pollard of X. 81 c. Mason OF =, ( -. Pollard OF X "
Ay-tt, Hall, Chnn, S,ra,ton Street NI'Cul!ough
Newman Digs, Bups, GooCc of Msek. Lockctt, Spgar,
shepherd, taperton, Dunlap, Craig, Eimuuson Hunter
OF Man. Croker, Christian of ~ X. Saunders, Stephens
SON, Thompson of Norfolk CO. u;sur, Stratto Nor,l
Basye Harvey, Ward of Not Crump, Dupuy Watkins of
p E. Woodhouse, Ward OF p. A. Temple Rives of T. g.
Barnes, Neae, Bowers, Cook Crump Sur. S,ih, Epps,
Diliad Curtis, Cary, Newton Hungerir, Fiie Shield,
Griffin, Moody, Denigre-9l.
NoEs-Messs. Banks, (Speakcr.) pfunn,onl, Rogers
OF Ac. Gordon, Cooke, Waller, Thompson of Am. rapp
Clarke of Au ocy, Irvnc Good of 5e,k. Miller Bot.
Edgingtom, MNan of Brooke, Ghoson, Everett, MOO.
mas Hunter of Camp. Rives of Camp Coleman, Chds,
HILL Turner, Tyler, Mason Of Fair. Kelly, Wallace
Payne of Flu Stillman Hale of Frank Holland Mason
OF Fred Ship, Gibson Sloan, Davis of Han. Cunning
Neville Miller of Har. Gather Williams, Mayo, Seldom
Gravey, Edwards, Morgan, ills, Fry, Ruther IIooe
MNIillam of Lee, Alien OF Lee, Bland, M'Whnrter,
MIihaney, Rogers of I.pudonn, kimbrough, Winston,
WATTS, hingsy, Orrick, Cross RivcS of Mel. Martin
Nell Tdpett, LETTER. Nelson, Barbour, WUoiolk, Tenn,
Csit2, Gfener, Dice Wicher, Walton, Gilliland Grimes
Carol, linn, Macrae, Carter, Daniels, Bootie, White,
Moore, Lewis Cline, Cowan Dickinson Wcox, Martin
Of Scott Anderson of She Almond Tow;cs Briggs Mon
George, Siamnon Iusham, Underwood, Cummings
Keller Prents, Tavenner Smytt of Wythe, May, Ruhcr>
foord-108
The question recurring the amendment Of Mr. Kim
brough, add the Commissioners the Revenue to the
Sheriff in taking the sense OF the people,
Mr.. Colson opposed it. The multiplication Of Con,
missiones, calculated To increase number of in
formal returns lie willing require presence
the Commissioners of Revenue for tive purpose of giving
formation to- freeholders.
MI May supported the amendment adding safeguards
to correctly taking the c the feehoders reec-
ton would certainly Diminish, his confidence in the bill
Mr. Colston reurged his objections, and his fear that il,
would be the means of producing informal returns,
srppressng the expression of the the people There
was nopcnalty the commiss for attendance
and by absenns himsel he might eHectuaiiy destroy tho
public voice.
MIR. Page moved to adourn-bu' tic motion was mega
lived, l0S to 81.
Mr. Winston then moved lay the bill on the table for
the present Carried, 100; 81.