Martinsburgh gazette. [volume] (Martinsburgh, Va. [W. Va.]) 1810-1825, 1825-03-24

ther pleased with the remarks, or the
name of MIR. Kremcr, and replied to
him at no great length, but in a way,
that, if he had either perception or sem
sIbiIity, he could not have well misun-
derstood. This was probably the last
conversation that Mr.. Kremer had with
me on the subJect--i think so. But,
whether this be the conversation pre-
tended to be alluded to, or not, | Capnot
say. But, a word 10 the honorable
member who is said to have been pre-
sent and heard a part Of the converse
ton, and who is said To have given a
certificate, though | have not seen II.
This member is Dir Stafford ofTennes-
see, VINO had some time previous taken
me aside, (apd | am not the only one ri
the Kentucky delegation that he cor
nerd IN the subject,) to persuade and
influence me to vote for the general, by
the force OF his arguments and his views
on the subject; at wbich time he dwelt
very largely upon the good feelings Of
the people OF Tennessee toward Mr..
Clay and was sure, if general Jackson
were elected now that nothing was
clearerthan that Mr.. Clay would be
president next, and many other things
now forgotten, tending 70 the concIu-
siyeuess OF his views. This,Nr. Sanford
had ON the same morning previous to
my having the conversation with Mr..
Kremer above menlioned,t 4 think it was
the same morning, but cannot be GER
tain,3 met me in the lobby Of the house
of representatives, and accosted me We
ry smillingly, and said | am very much
obliged to the legislature of Kentucky,
for lnst,actine you all to vote for the
| general" and think, though will not
be positive, aided nearly tie same
words presently after used by Mr.. Kre-
mer, that he could noU meet us as bro
Tiers. The reply | made him he is al
liberty to tell, provided he does not do
as he has been done with my obserya-
tions to Mr.. Kremer. | have no doubt,
however, that Mr.. Sanford will remenl-
Der what passed between bin aud my
self upon the subject OF his certificate,
in the presence of MIR. Crafts of Yer
mont; and if ever MIR. kremer andhim-
self made the reply 10 me, as stated. all
| can say, is, that it was done as the sto-
ry is related of the overseer abusing his
employer-aiter | was out of hearing.
think it was unlikely that the or
versation | have related, which were
held with various persons, and those
mentioned with Mr.. kremer and Mr..
Sanford, have been seized upon. by the
author Of that address,, and distorted and
converted into the language ascribcd to
me. 1t is very clair to me, that | did
not say to Mr., Kremer, that gen. Jack i,
son was my choice next to Mr. Clay;
nor that [ told HIM that Kentucky would
come out strong for the general; nor
that gen. jackson, if elected, would
make Mr. Adams secretary of State;
nor could | have wished to have known
of him what the friends Of gen. jackson
would DO for Kentucky; for, really, |
should suppose, that no man, who ever
have thought of going to hin to make a
bargain, or to obtain a promise or under
standing about any office in the gift of
a President. Such an IDEA may be held
out a distance, where Mr.. X. is only
known as a member of congress-, but
never can gain credit where he is known
as a man.
remember that it was often said, by
members and, perhaps by friends Of each
of the candidates, hat Mr., Clay, and
his friends, held the balance in their
hands, and it may have heen said, by
some, that Kentucky held the balance
in her hands'-but to this opinion | did
not then, nor do | yet, subscribe. In
stesd ofthe common s~alutation of 'how
are you this morning" MIR. Kremer's
ordinary expression was, to me, how
is Kentucky to-day? And, it is proba-
BILE, that at some time | may have an.
swered, she is not dead yet, but never
in relation to Mr.. Clay's exclusion from
the house. But supposing that | was
admit. what is it represented | said to
MIR. X. upon the inquiry stated what
could be made of it against me, consi'
dering and takening into view the time,
the manner and the person to whom
SAID? The conversation is alleged TO
be introduced accidentally by Mr.. Kre-
mer himself; my reply is represented TO
be not a secret, but open and in the pre-
ssnce OF a witness, who had been pro-
cured to be present, or, if they rather
who had accidentally come up. TO
those who know Mr.. Kremer, the idea
OF a hoax would much nor readily at
tach itself to such a conversation, than |
of Intrigue and the only part fthe mar