Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1825-07-05

their iellow-sublects 20 all the privileges % the
state. The real question Tor their Lordships was
this; would they return TO the old system OF gov
erning the Catholic people OF Ireland by coercion,
or would they gain them over BY Cancellation!
(Hear, hear, hear. 1.-The people OF Ireland We're
raised in their moral and political station by the
concessions already made. Their I.ordships had
already begun the work OF cancellation, il was now
time 10 complete it: he in conclusion contend
ed, that the removal of the remaining civil dis
| abilities from the Roman Catho les necessa-
r. 20 the safety oi The state. (theers.)
| Lord liverpool said this bill did not come TO
their Lordships sIngly, 1t came accompanied with
| other important measures, which he thought were
! in themselves a ground for rejecting it. These
measures were IN order TO ca CHI lew votes to the
right and 10 the left, and the house was placed in
this situation, that it did know what it was go
ing 10 decide upon. He wished TO know whether
those measures were to accompany it or not; ne
was ready to discuss The bill separately but the
! House of Commons had put their Lorlslips in this
situation that they had purchased majority by in
Producing the OTHER measures lie a
body placed in so disgraceful a situation as their
LordshiPs were placed in by the proceedings of
| the otl.er house of Parliament. lie asked, let US
know what we haveto decide upon. lie detested
TIE bill As it then broush, up lie thought the
greater part of 1t unintelligble, mere nonsense.-
The least Objectionable part of il was that which
went simply 10 remove the Catholic disabilities. -
Tie should wish 10 90 to the simple plain gues-
ion OF removing those disabilities y bill merely
los that purpose would no, be oac-tenth part 30
objectionable rs the present: He admitted that in
every rec state all the subjects of it entitled
! 10 equal rights upon equal conditions; but the
Eround upon which he made the qualification was
TINS that the Roman Catholic did not offer 20 YOU
the same conditions as the Protestant. He main
talned mat the difference this, that gave an
entire and The other divided allegiance; the one
gave complete, the other gave qualified allegi-
ance, and unless you could prove that he who
worked malt day was entitled 10 the same wages
As he who worked the whole day--or, in other
words, that the half was equal TO the whole, lie
| could not he convinced that those who paid spiri-
uial allegiance to foreign power, the time they
PAID temporal allegiance only TO our own Sove-
gieln, were entitled TO the privileges as other
subjects. He stood upon that broad principle oil
justice. He sdmited that it IL a great degree
question OF expectancy; but he would not 20 10
the question of eXpedicncy without having laid the
foundation oil the case on solid principle OF JUS
| ice Noble Lords had said they never heard a te-
cable argument in opposition to the catholic claims
| lie had heard the question dcussed for twenty
years, and he had never heard any man capable oil
giving direct answer TO the question. The No
Die Earl next proceeded to argue, that the Catho-
lies OF Ireland enjoyed more advantages than any
other people in Europe who were similarly cir
/
was essentially Protestant, and it was quite mpos-
sible 10 reconcile the system of The church of
home with mat OF the church of England. Their
Lordshlps ought 20 be aware how they -fringed
oE system which secured the best Interests OF the
country We had now enjoyed 80 years oireli-
sious peace but their Lordships ought not to for
Sc that these had been preceded by 100 years of a
religious war. lie Noble Earl sat down express
sing his decided opposition to the spirit and princi-
! pie oil tie bill, aud calling their Lordshps not
to sanction it.
! The Earl OF H0rroIUjy said, that it was impos-
sibe to convert the Catholics 10 the established
church, the object of the Legislature ought to bt
% conciliate them, by placing them on the same
| footing with their Protestant fellow subjects
The Lo1d Chancellor did not understand how
me Dill came before them In this particular FORM
! They knew from the votes of the House of Com
mons, that the House of COMMONS had passed
through certain stages bill for deranchising free
holders IN Ireland, and also that vote was agreed
10 Tor paying the Catholic Clergy. What security
| mad they THAI these measures could be passed n
ne had 40 other reason he would vote against thi.
molten. By his oath lie was bound TO maintain
all rights and privileges OF his Majesty The oatl
OF supremacy he, as as lawyer, regarded as q
guarantee against the evasion of he oath OF al
iegance III they recognized the Priests in Ireland
oy taking them into pay, could they refuse to dc
the same in England? Then as 10 the dsfranchise
ment, 1t might secure easy seat to many persons
but that was no reason for deprving any men o
their righs.
Earl FitzUiIlianl said that from deliberate con.
vlction and much experience, ne was the firm adj
vocate OF adrnitIin5 the Roman Catholics to full
participation OF the blessings of the constitution
The house divided 1T a quarter before Ave The
numbers were
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