Richmond enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1815-1867, 1821-12-22


/, fit should pass The II. of ID. it would be re-
jectcd elsewhere. This course he thought ex
cepuonahle-the responsibility ought 10 be
met fairly and openly by the House He was
Tor the reduction of the pay of the members
but not OF the oilicers-and as the wished for
object could no; he attained, he should vote
for postponcment.
4 MT. Epps woul.i vote rpr the post p..nemcnt
not To avoid al expression cr opinion. Ii he
should fail in tia; vote, lac would the, vot.
for disunitins the hills, and meet the questions
ON their merits. lie thought il ineXurdent
to reduce the pay. Members did not receive
a salary; 1t was merely an allowance 20 pay
expenses and TO indemnify against losses. He
contendcd that the pay should be sul.icien,
for these purposes.--if its amount be much
lreduGcd,n0ne but men of wealth can atinrd To
come hcrc.-Ihis would be the creation of
an aristocracy of wealth, which Mr.. T.. tirpre-
Gated IN strong terms. Men of wealth may
be possessed oftaents-but he could not con-
sent TO exclude persons in the humber walks
of life Reduction would have that effect for
men IN common life caIinOt afford To serve ut
an expense obstructive of their hopes in life
and ruino'ls to their families. BY leaving the
pay at a fair amount, a greater variety cf Il.
Tents may he selected Tor the service oi the
| people he knew they were independent, H.
beral and generous, aud were not opposed to
/
cessary, not wasting their means by schemes
of false ccon"my-hut attending promptly
aud industriousy To the public business.
/ Pr. Page thought from the first. that the
pay OF the members ought to be reduced he
was however ola different opinion as it regard
ed the officers Of government. He wished TO
have kept the questions separate but from
the temper of the House, he believed his wish
es would terminate in utter disappointment
Inn fhnt,c. al. f,.,t l..
IN VAN debate, without any practical result
He should therefore vote for the postpone
ment.
Mr.. Grdres doubted whether de:intive
expression of the opinion OF the House had
been nade-he thought the union of the bills
was to defeat the measure. He said as the
blanks for the officers salaries were not flied,
they could be filled with the salaries they now
enjoyed, II those salaries were equitable and
just 1877 the legislative expenses did not
exceed 27,OO0-last year they were more than
100000. This expense he thought ought to
he misunderstanding the officers pay at what
1t is. Both objects might be obtained
Mr.. Harue hoped the House would be
sincere IN their votes. And so, the bill
would be postponed for ii was decided by
large majority to unite the bills, from whom
ne expected the consistency of keeping them
together. He disclamcd the idea orhrins III
tinnuascu by the ayes aud noes, and lnpc, the
call for them would have no influence with
others He wished his constituents could
know hs motives for all his public con- nc.
lie had no promise to make TO them-but
would do his duty according to the best die
| faics ot his understanding. He did not con
sider the pay TOO mlich--as a proofuf which
he enumerated the difficulties accidents and
expenses which members coming from a dis
lance had to encounter, and insisted un the
propriety oftheir being borne by the public.
As 10 tn" other branch Of the bill h was So +
| from reducing the salaries Of the officers of
government, there We're some of them whose
salaries he was prepared TO increase. 80 "a
gam called on gentlemen 10 be consistent
| Mr. Cfamp hadhad experience enough in h.
glsiaiion 10 know that the sentiment OF the
House one day. was not always lis sentiment
the next The gentleman from Bath, accord
ing to the journal. was for reducing the pay
| of the officers, bat the House now had If from,
his lips that he would not do SO. Mr. G.. re-
| ierred TO the votes of the committee of the
whole being frequently reversed in the house,
by the magic spell of The ayes aud noes He
hoped the member from Bedford NJ. Mcnnisl
and several other friends who We're about to
| take the same comse, would not miSinlcrpret
his object. He asked of them, while there
was nope of success i'm separating thu. two
bills, they would concur with him. in attempt
ing That object. Mr.. Crump dsclained having
used any cXer,lon, or incurred any expense to
| curry the favor of his constituents nor would
! he question the motives of others. 1t was
the last time he should appear OIL that question.
| Mr.. Biachb'trt, replied TO the charge of in
consistency. He saidif he had been guilty of
IT, twas the first time. lie had taken precisely
the same ground last winter-hc had declared,
then, and he now declared he would moi re-
duce the pay of the members without reducing
the pay OF the officers OF government. Bit he
was III truth opposed 10 the reduction of either.
The question of p1stponemcnt was decided
IN the negativc-ayes 80, noes Sc.
| Mr. CrumP then moved to strike out so
much of the bill as related To the officers of
government and called for the ayes and noes.
hr. .hdhory of D. was opposed 10 The I'M
ION, and hoped the motion would prevail. If
II did, he should vote against the reduction OF
me pay. Tic wished To meet that question
fairly.
MIR. .nennis ploycd an ad;ournn, ,at: and on
tins question Mr.. BoNing called for the ayes
aud noes. On Mr.. CdntriifS motioa the hour
| nall past three was inserted in tie Journal
| ihe motion to a.. lOurn was negativcd --aycs
| So, noes 80.
| Mr.. Se1ton opposed the motion TO postpone,
and Mr.. Hdrcie advocated it.
| Upon Mr.. Crnmp's suggestion, the ayes and
noes were examined, and found correctly re-
ported by the Clerk.
Nr. CdntrW then moved 20 postpone the
| bill to the 5lst of March Mr.. C,1tgfD moved
an adjournment, which was carri,4i. and the
House adjourned.
| Hooe of p. Wm the bill regulating The nav
of the rieinhcrs of thc Legislature, Sc. was
| taken up.
| MIR. CgltpD renewed his n,otior tr s.r;.o