The Portland gazette. [volume] (Portland, Me.) 1818-1824, 1819-10-25

',ower with one '"bO paid five
b. Holmss defended has mo.iun--and ob.
.cr,cd that lhe objects OF legislation were
ei.cral. amt tiiat the expense shoad lie gen
egal bar.hen.
Co .Noody said the large lawns had made
.scriiioes 10 tire Fepre-en:a non. 4 they ought
aoi 10 Je taxed iourfold IL aJditnm.
lie was followed Iy Ncssrs Greea, Paris,
spdJFh,nnGa on Toe same side, WHO delinea-
90 IN q strong and iorcible manner the inc
qeaiay ~ ibis mode Of paying the members
gpoa the proposed system OF representation,
Mr. Herrick was decidedly ID favor Of
paying tie members out Of lha public chest
ibey are not 10 legisae for particular part,
bul ;or Tie whole state, aud ought q be paid
by he whole. lie thought ifihe expense was
borne by the towns, il gave 20 the large and
heb towns an advantage over tie smaller ones.
Nc. Emery opposed the mOtlon at some
length
Dir. Holmes then varied his rso;ion 50 that
each county -honld pay in proportion TO its
tainbef<, and each town according 70 its rep
,e-entation
The vote on the question 10 strike out was
aesaiiyed, I5G 70 So.
Mr. Hooper's proposition for fixing the pay
q he senator's and representatives failed.
The motion of Judge Green for the mem
bers OF the house 10 lie paid 10y the towns
they represent, was lost, 55 TO l07.
M Herrick's motion to pay them out e
the treasury was also lost, SO to I3l-as was
also Dir Holmes TO assess it on counties, 90
10 l47.
The 9TH section was then adopted nearly
unanimously.
The remainder of ;his article with all the
sections in article 9th, part lSt, were then a.
dopted wiki some unlmportau, amendments.
Article 5, part 81, which provides for
Council. was taken up, and on motion Of Dir.
Holmes amended 80 As 70 iequre the members
70 be citizens OF the Uniled States, and resi-
dents Of Tie state.
Col .Aherson moved % strike out the whole
article. He said il Veuld he great saving
ri expence-an expenCe without any ade-
pua'e advantage. The President the Uni
;ed States, .. most Of The states Of theDniOn are
without a council. The Governor will have
MS Aids, Adjutan- General and other officers
10 assist him IN the discharge of his duties.
believe, (said Col. "A } that we can get a Gov
euor - capable OF doing the business as are
ID other stales. and ye may thus save useless
tApence. The only effect, said be, would be
70 diminish bis Responsibility. The Senators
tl come from all parts @. The stale and may
give him al The Information he could obtain
from The Council And besides, it may be
as has happened before, that the Council will
CONSIST OF men IN whom be has no confidence.
'Ir Holmes said he thought il his duty 70
getend TIE report. Ia The committee, said he,
! urged he same arguments against council
which 80 gentleman from Prospect has offer
eJ as considered il useless appendage
ID the government But received such IN
formation frum those gentlemen on the CON
h,llee who have been members Of The COun-
eli, ;hat much business was done 10y them
whlch must without them, be done at much
greater cxpcnce, that was conscious il was
Ae-l ID retain II.
Mr. JThimag and Judge Bridge, the gen
lrtocn alluded 10 by Mr.. II. explained 10 Tue
crnveution Toe duties oil he council. Il i not
tuir lri,iue,s merely 10 advise the Governor
IN sDpoinlmculs--ir g3s OF very different
nature. Thee are no meabers OF The gov
rrnnent who perform 20 much labor for 50
small a compensation. There are not less
than five standing committees, m the Council
Of Mas.ac husetts. There j. first, committee
CD Applications for paTdons, which has gener-
ally FROM fifty 10 hundred applications be
fore them, Oh which they must come 10 ju
,licial discussion. There is also a committee
on miitafv atfairs which has as much business
as they can attend TO- There is another
committee on he warrants 10 dIaw money
from the treasury, oHe FOR county lreasuFers
accounts, aud one on pensions. Nor IS Tins
All, said they, the Council IS frequently called
together when The Legislature IS uot IN SEES
sion, and Is The general tribunal to which The
business ui government is referred and was
such a. It is impossible for the Governor to
trans act il all, anu other officers, win salaries,
must otherwise be appointed. 1t will be con
siderable saving Of eHPrnce.
Gen. Chandler expressed himself in favor
Of a Council.
The motion TO strike out, was lost, 10,
70 IA
Doct. Rose, moved TO amend by inserting
+ fre instead Oi seuen, as the number OF the
Council. which after sutne debate was reject
e. as was also motion OF Mr.. BGidGm 20
provide for their election by The people =
A6er some triiling auendneuIs md cortl' :
Ing the eaceplion, IL officers OF The United
S,aies, 10 those oi tie executive department,
The Article was adopted.
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