Virginia Argus. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1796-1816, 1813-02-01
sprror. &C he motion. and against the war,
which the bal was Intended 20 support.
The question was decided thus


Of dollars, on motion OF Mr.. Chcvcs.
Ma. Mllnor moved To amend the first section
efthc bill, by inserting after the clause giving
the authority TO borrow, the words " at rate
Hot eecec{iag per eeit. per ansam.'
Mr.. NJ. remarked in support of this, n,otion,
substantially, that too great a power had al
ways, from the commencement OF the govern
ment of this country been reposed in the Exc
cutive; that the opinion TO the contrary was 4
great error and that this bill, giving the Pre-.
sident power 10 borrow at uniln,ited interest,
placed in his hands an enagmo,is e unprecedent-
ed power. He .also said dlst heSYas astonished
at the resor contihuallN hAd' at aeprcsent day
to the measures OF l79SS g, of EhIch the peo-
Es s nd 50 ss asi s s1 G ss
sures of that day, and he eitht Ter cent loan
was one he had disapprovctg thyt it was how
ever less Objectionable than s1e provisions OF
the present bill, becausc-the- government had in
that case declared in manly and open man
the interest they would allow, whist in this
bill the amount of interest to be paid was hid
den from the people in the general phrascology
and unlimited provisions OF the bill.
In reply 10 this, Mr.. Cheves remarked, that
he too, like the gentleman from Pennsylvania,
had dislked many of the measures of Mr.. A
dams's administration, but it was not to such
of those measures as have been adopted by the
present majority, that he then objected; he had
taken to resist the aggressions of France, but
he certainly did not tker.for approve of ras-
ing an army to meet foe with whom we could
not possibly come i'll contact, and who could
not l4nd man on our shores; that the gentle
man was under misrepresentation if he suppos
ell the law of 1898 Mad fixed the terms OF that
loan, because that law, like the present, pro-
posed to leave it at the discretion of the Presi
dent who, having fixed it, as the gentleman
proposed, at per cent. could not obtain it at
Jess; that u The interest should be limited TO
any particular rate, say seven or 8 per cent. the
government would not now, as then, have it in
its power to borrow for less, although he be-
lieved that, it unlimited, it might be obtained
for trihe above six per cent.-that the gentie-
mans position that too much power had always
been reposcd in the Executive, was of too ge-
neral nature for discussion on this particular
motion, but if it were not, that ii had no bear
ing on the question; that the power now con-
hded to the executive could not be abused, and
was as little Objectionable as that which The
President has, on all occasions, TO direct the
Applications of money to b. drawn from the
Treasury, &c. that this too might be called an
enormous power, but was weltknown 10 be a
matter of form, mere Executive duty, &c. &c
The motion of Mr.. Minor was then negatv.
ed, without division.
Mr.. Talmadge moved to amend the bill by
adding thereto an appointment to this effect
sold below par"
After some observations in faver of this motion
and reply thereto by Mr.. Chcycs, the motion wa
negatyed without division.
Mr.. TalmadCe also made n motion TO strike on
&c one fourth OF one per cent" the commission Z
be allowed on sales of stock, and insert Gone
eighth"
After some observations in favor Of the motion
BY the mover, and reply thereto by Mr.. I'bb, tn
motion was negatived by small majority
The committee and reported the bill, an,
che House adjourned
January 25.
Mr. Troup presented the memorial of Charlie
Rockwell, agent Of James Dickson, of Savannah
stating that he is owner ~ certa property recent
ly imported from G.. Britain, which comes with
the provisions of the non-importaton act, and whic
was captured by private armed vessel of (hc
States previous to its arrived in port, but, as the
state, after il had arrived within the jurisdiction
the y. States, and praying that the right which "a
United States may possess thereto shall not b
transferred to he captors. Referred to the com
mittee OF WAYS and Means.
Sundry petitions presented and referred t
che committee of Claims.
On motion of Mr.. Poindexter, the committee {
abe whole dis charged from the further consi1e
ration of the report Of the committee Of Publ
Lands relative to The redpatsas.-afoRSise and abel
lion Of credit on saIss.3fpoAlis lanhs a@d it wa
The bill from III Sen'ee sappePcntsry to III
law for calling out Ah9 mVAA. Nc. amended b
ss House, was real athir,tyme sgd.
tRNN
The House resumed NshsEssasd$atYn of tn
ill.
Mr. NIilnor moved to aInend-tke Wv insertin
after the provision authorizing the losh the word
sfat rae of interest not ecceeding sic Per cen
per aH15tn."
On the suggestion of Mr. Randolph, Mr. MiIno
notified his motion to leave the rate OF int
rest blank.
The question on the motion was decided by Yea
and NAYS as follows:
YEAS.-MIessrs. Baker, BiseloS, -fileecker, BoyC
breckenridge, Brigham, Champion, Chttcnder
Cooke, Davenport, Ely, Emott, Fitch, Gold Gray
IIully. Jackson, Key, Lewis, NJ Bryde, Milnol
2Ioseley Pearson, Pitkin. Potter, Quincy, Ran
dolph, Ridgcly, Rodman, Shelley, Sturges, Taggar
Tallmqdge, Tracy, Wheaton, White, Wilson.-5i
NAYS.-Nfessrs. Aston, Anderson, Archer
Avery, Bacon, Bassett, Rib, Blackledge, Brown
BurwcI, Bu, CIR, Carr, Cheyes, Cochran, Cloptor
Crawford, Cuts, Davis, Dawson, Desha, Diusmoo
Earle Findley, GhoIson, Green, u. Hall, o. Hal
HarDer HAwcs Hyneman. Johnson King. Lacoct
Jowndes, Lyle, Msor, M'Coy, M'Km, Metcal
AIi,clr Morgan, Morrow, Nelson, Newton, Pel
ems Piper, Pleasants, Pond, Robertson, Rhea, RI
Lers, SAGE, Sawyer,s Seaver, Sewer, Seybert {
Smith, Stow, Strong, 1aIiaferro, Troup, TGrnei
NVhtehill, Williams, Winn.--65
So the motion lost
Mr. MiInor then reviewed tIie motion in the forr
in which he isV proposed it, viz. 20 insert sir De
cent. PER d1D1u1H.
This motion was also modified on the suegcstio
Of Me. Pkn. by adding thereto the words {" bai
ebie quarter yearly.
And the question thereon was decided by Yea
and NAYS asfollows;
For the motion Sc