The enquirer. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1804-1815, 1812-04-21

IMPERIAL PAkLlARlt.NI'.
xcusE or co1tNoNs-TarsNnv, Iiarch s
ORDERS IN COUNCIL.
~ Debate Continued.
On the question hc,pc m,

On the question being put,
Mr.. ROSE Observed that ,shea the Hon. and
learned gentleman first gave :.otice ofhis present
motion, he CHR Rose) had been gisd OF it, MS he
WISHED a full ,cason On this important SUBJECT.
Even aftcr the able and eloquent speech OF that
c.ntieman, lac still feltgid, lac thought that lac
ehcud be able to give 10 the Iiouse sat slactory
explanation on the topics there enlarged ,.,op he.
admitted the dstrcsscs az the country partic;i!srIy
oil Birmingham, town more immediately afl. c;c,i
py the Orders M Council but he could not under-
stand where the Hon Member procured his facts
when be stated, that the mscries which had han.
pene>i wherever they bad happened, arose entirely
from those Orders m Council lie must bsg also &,
correct nls-sta,cmcnt OF hat Honouiabic G.ntle-
man who had dee AIRED, tia, in IsoS the anon, of
the exports was less by ten millions than in the year
iSoI. Now the fact was directly the reverse. TEX
IoSts to America srid MIR. Brougham) Oh, to
America Wei, he would come to that presently.
lie must observe. too, that the Hon. Gentleman
disagreed with hr. lryng's accounts when they
made against him, though he dwell on them with
mueh ,oree when they we're for him. The Hon.
Member had stated, that tra,ie had fallen off in con-
: sequence OF the Orders in Council. In answer to
ths he would state, thst in the year 1905, the cx-
ports amounted to thirty.four millions;hat in the
following year the amount the saine--that i'm
Iso7 the amount was increased to so millions, tho
IN the next yearit fell to as millions. Thus for two
years the trade went prosperously after the pro.
mnlgaton OF the Orders in Council !; for as to the
seizures IN the Baltic made by Napoleon, they had
no sort oil correction with the operation of those
orders The seizures then made, and which amour.
TED to no more than 9 or millions, instead OF O.
rs had been stated ny the Hon. and Learned L en-
ueman were owing to the accidental circumstance of
the heet having been stopped by contrary winds in
ttano Bay, during which delay the Continental de-
crces were lssued, which led to their subsequent
condcmnatinn But the Hon. and learned Gentle.
man has stated, that he did not audc tn the genc-
raj exports, but the exports to America. Some Gen
eemen had formerly declared, that our trade with
n nnei'ea would be totally Hnnihilated. He (Mr.
Rose) had predicted the contrary--and his pretIic-
uo's had been verified III 1907, the amount of or
exports to America had been Is millions in lSos
Notwithstanding the existence of some prohibitions
the returns were Is millions in 1909, 10 millions
and 1910, 20 millions 100 o00-so that during the
years OF the embargo, there was an increase OF mil
hons IN our cxrortsto America The Honorable &
Learned Gentieman had given him Mr.. Rose) for
companions, set of associates, consisting of Ger
mans, Je s, Brokers and Others of the same sort
RE knew not where The Honorable Member had
procured his information but he could assure him.
uAt no suoh persons, whatever acquaintance they
might have with door-keepers had any intercourse
~.th himself or his Noble Friend (ford Batl.urst) !;
nor was theIrtlm occupied, that Honorable en-
teinan had stated II, in the assortment of car
snes,-----but in the consideration of what things
were safe, and iii, and proper to enter into this
country.
That the shipping interest had not been injured,
pu' nhd increased, he would prove by the usual and
Iesuiar accounts from which it appeared, that from
1850 to 1910 inclusive, the shipping had increased
oy 10000 tens and there had been an accession OF
ia,Oco blitsh seamen. He admitted, that the for
Il ~'Si s"ppt''S was likewise increased : but there
vas no Other way o. carrying this trade except
oy The employment of foreign ships; and it was not
wise or possibe,wbiie market existed for our man
ufactnres to suffer them to rot and perish in our
warehouses He regretted the dstresses Of shin
owners, set of men with whose habits and inter-
ests lac was wei acquainted; hut did not conceive
rms ds'rcss could be SO great rs represented when
It was considered that the freight OF transports
~nch neiore the existence of the Orders amount
ed to l9s per ton, was now increased TO e4s He
was ready 10 admit that Hull was more i;hei, 10
suffer than any other place; but he (hIr. RI had
sppheSl Tor information, and had received letter
sron iinii, which stated that there single
vessel IN the harbour which either employed
81 about to be employed 1t had been asked why
were not the Americans employed in this carrying
trade hey might be and were employ ed, but a
preference was given, net by Government but by
?nerchants, to other foreign Ships being safer s
less liable to suspicion in the continental ports If
there were no Orders in Council, all the northern
part Of Europe would have been shut against US
france would have had much cotton as she pleas
eu from America, and cotton an article to which
Bonapaite was not so Indifferent rs had been sta
.eo-h fact while France, with the assistance of
America, would have heen flourishing, England would
nave been excluded from the trade of the world
hese orders had prevented such an event France
had said that no ships should go TO Eaglard. En-
gland SAID, and has enforced it, that 10 ship should
toneh at France except what comes from England.
AS 10 what had fallen from the Hon. and Learned
/, Sthtcman, that some persons had conceived thu,
war wi;h America would be advantageous to En-
gland, he knew whence such information had been
reeeiyed----lie himself had always been of n CON
sriIy opinion England had acted on no such prinei-
pie; her conduct towaris America had been kind
nnd eoncii2t9ry, while that of France had been i-
rectiy the reverse. The Right Honorable Gentle
man then caves short history ofhe DEGREES Of cr-
ilnand niian, and Ranbonillet to shew the hostile
Infentions o Gounaparte towards the United S.s,e.
ne then advcred 10 the late case OF the ship Cath
esfnA Augusta, IN which it had been declared that
ne i1ern nnd Milan Decrees not puhlickiy re.
EoEc' and farther stated, that in November 1870
u sup, "lth an American csrgo, American seaner
cni an Ajrerican hiastet, had been seized and
sent "a Caais expressly uHder the authority Of those
- crees; and thousI,, perhaps, there were now no
coahemnatoiis In Frarcc, yet it was well known
fSat here was great number of representations
~ the contrary. the impartial conduct of our Ju e..
the Admiralty Court had been so eminent that he
%rs MS popular in America as lie was in Enplan5
rs 20 tic evii consequences, the immoracs of tht,
Nrem OF licences lac must state 10 the House. that
simulated papers existed long before the Orders in
1caqch thht htore perjury aud forgery existed be-
f,re thai period than since. That, in fact, the Or
hes IN Council had operated as considerable click
pm those Grimes Before these Orders. every mas
yer o ship took at the Custom house solemn oath
renting to his vessel and its ou6t-now the Icence
supereeh'd the necessity of this oath It was the
Hsaem OF naturalization which produced such an o.
veFhow OF periures and simuIations aud, indeed
there WIS one house which used TO receive regular
commission OF two per cent, perjury. No sucl,
thing now existed here, nor as far as lie could learn
on the other side the water Where, then. was this
tysein of fraud and pcriufies on which so much had
been said He (Mr Rose } would not hesitate fo
affirm, that il did not exist he would affirm that
The Orders m L. aJ toJ